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| 00:14.55 | smoku | hi. |
| 00:15.25 | smoku | how does maemo hide mouse cursor? I would like to reenable it. (it's a bit hard to click using a mouse without a cursor ;-) ) |
| 00:16.33 | BCMM | smoku: i think it just uses a default cursor which isn't there |
| 00:16.37 | BCMM | if you see what i mean |
| 00:17.14 | BCMM | smoku: when i plug in a USB mouse using H-E-N, a cursor appears - i *think* it's extkbd that does that |
| 00:17.21 | BCMM | so you could look at how extkbd works |
| 00:17.22 | smoku | BCMM, mhm. but under Xephyr I do see a mouse cursor (the X) until hildon-desktop starts |
| 00:17.41 | smoku | so it's probably somewhere in hildon-desktop code, but grepping for 'cursor' does not help |
| 00:17.46 | BCMM | smoku: i mean, i presume it loads a custom cursor which is entirely transparent |
| 00:17.57 | BCMM | (or is a cursor of size 0*0 permitted?) |
| 00:18.21 | smoku | ok. I will look to extkbd source |
| 00:20.30 | BCMM | smoku: i'm not *completely* sure that's why the cursor appears, because i didn't try a mouse before installing it |
| 00:21.24 | smoku | grepping extkbd for 'cursor' does not help too :/ |
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| 00:23.51 | MohammadAG | yes, cursor is transparent |
| 00:23.57 | MohammadAG | it's there, but transparent |
| 00:24.05 | MohammadAG | use bt-hid-scripts to enable it |
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| 00:25.14 | shamus | is reloading all his apps on his n800 after a reflash fun fun fun good thing the backup seams to have backupd up everything now just need to figure out why the restore failed to put my crap back in the home holder |
| 00:26.22 | smoku | cp /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/arrow.azerty1 /usr/share/icons/default/cursors/transp - doh :D |
| 00:26.31 | smoku | MohammadAG, thx :) |
| 00:26.54 | MohammadAG | yw :) |
| 00:27.11 | MohammadAG | I want my HeeGo, ty smoku :P |
| 00:27.31 | lardman | night chaps |
| 00:27.47 | MohammadAG | (HeeGo = MaeGo, just sounds a bit less weird :P) |
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| 00:28.16 | smoku | MohammadAG, we've already renamed to 'Cordia' |
| 00:28.28 | MohammadAG | Cordia? |
| 00:28.30 | shamus | omg sweet it dit restor stuff as the apps were installed |
| 00:28.34 | MohammadAG | what does that mean? |
| 00:28.57 | smoku | MohammadAG, just a random word I made up. it turned out that this is a flower. :) |
| 00:29.11 | shamus | first time doign a reflash |
| 00:29.24 | shamus | was woried about the backup |
| 00:29.28 | MohammadAG | tsk tsk tsk, you're supposed to follow Nokia's trend and use wind names! :P |
| 00:29.38 | shamus | oh second reflash but first one with data |
| 00:30.36 | smoku | MohammadAG, yes. and since this is exact opposite of meego on maemo core we have a 'Hurricane' codename :) |
| 00:31.00 | smoku | for the first release |
| 00:31.13 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 00:31.37 | MohammadAG | Hurricane isn't exactly a wind, but... it works I guess :p |
| 00:31.51 | smoku | it's an exact opposite of Harmattan |
| 00:32.15 | MohammadAG | And maemo 7's gonna be "Tsunami" I guess |
| 00:32.38 | smoku | harmatan is dry, dusty and light. hurricane is wet and strong :) |
| 00:32.41 | microlith | so from winds to waves? |
| 00:32.48 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 00:33.13 | MohammadAG | smoku, and dark |
| 00:33.40 | MohammadAG | i wonder why never have hurricanes here in IL |
| 00:34.25 | smoku | but giving a project 'hurricane' name sounded king of cheesy |
| 00:34.58 | MohammadAG | nah, it's cool :P |
| 00:42.11 | zogg_ | MohammadAG which files contain the ui of qtmediaplayer i want to see it as an example for creating UI for application |
| 00:42.36 | MohammadAG | nah, it's cool :P |
| 00:42.38 | MohammadAG | err |
| 00:42.43 | MohammadAG | fuck up + enter |
| 00:42.49 | MohammadAG | ui files, duh :P |
| 00:43.15 | MohammadAG | though really, it's not the best ui to use as an example |
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| 00:48.08 | zogg_ | MohammadAG what is git link? |
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| 00:49.06 | MohammadAG | gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer |
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| 00:51.52 | MohammadAG | night |
| 00:53.33 | smoku | ok. I still do not know how HD hides the cursor, but at least I know how to show it :) |
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| 00:54.45 | GuySoft | hi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher? |
| 00:56.23 | eichi | someone uses the ponodoro tool? what does estimate mean in this tool? estimated time or how important it is? (maybe a language problem for me) |
| 00:58.28 | MohammadAG | it doesn't hide it smoku |
| 01:00.35 | smoku | MohammadAG, it sets it to transparent. OK. but where??! |
| 01:00.59 | MohammadAG | it doesn't set to transparent :P |
| 01:01.11 | MohammadAG | all cursors icons are symlinks to transp |
| 01:01.18 | MohammadAG | so X shows transp |
| 01:01.28 | smoku | maybe on Maemo |
| 01:01.31 | MohammadAG | X handles cursors, not the wm |
| 01:01.36 | smoku | but not on my suse desktop ;P |
| 01:01.46 | MohammadAG | how come? |
| 01:01.55 | MohammadAG | Xephyr is different fyi |
| 01:02.17 | smoku | i'm running hildon-desktop on my workstation machine |
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| 01:02.34 | smoku | so I do not have transparent cursors on my machine |
| 01:02.46 | smoku | DISPLAY=:2 xsetroot -cursor_name left_ptr |
| 01:02.58 | smoku | and I have normal cursor under Xephyr |
| 01:03.57 | smoku | I just cannot find where in the hildon-desktop code it gets disabled |
| 01:05.23 | GuySoft | hi all, might anyone know how to backup the kernel on a N810 using the flasher? |
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| 01:08.56 | fosstux | Hi! How can I configure custom colours für use in the calendar? |
| 01:09.21 | fosstux | Is the calendar palette configured in a config file or is it theme based? |
| 01:09.48 | fosstux | if yes, where??? |
| 01:10.05 | BCMM | smoku: if it helps, a default cursor can be seen when you mouse-over certain not-very-hildonised applications |
| 01:10.58 | MohammadAG | smoku, X=! Xephyr |
| 01:11.13 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop doesn't handle the cursor at all |
| 01:12.12 | MohammadAG | that's probably you enabling the host cursor in xephyr |
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| 01:15.59 | smoku | MohammadAG, no. the Xephyr cursor stays in the Xephyr window when the X cursor leaves it |
| 01:16.55 | smoku | I see the default X cursor in Xephyr window until I launch hildon-desktop - then it disappears. and reapears once I close hildon-desktop process |
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| 01:17.34 | MohammadAG | weird |
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| 01:52.09 | javispedro | smoku: it might in matchbox |
| 01:54.24 | javispedro | smoku: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/matchbox-window-manager-2/matchbox/core/mb-window-manager.c#1868 |
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| 01:55.22 | merlin_phone | hm is there a way to have trackerd index a directory only for sound but not for image files? |
| 01:56.00 | smoku | javispedro, oh. I forgot that it is linked in statically. thanks :) |
| 01:57.08 | merlin_phone | i'm bored of having all my album art in the image app |
| 01:57.32 | BCMM | wow, Dorian ebook reader is pretty nice |
| 01:57.56 | BCMM | (i want to be able to customise the colourscheme, but that's a minor thing) |
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| 02:02.17 | Psi | how does the n900 work when you put in a microsd card? does it auto mount under MyDocs or something? |
| 02:04.20 | nox- | mine ends up on /media/mmc1 |
| 02:05.04 | Psi | so it doesnt auto setup and start using the card for stuff? |
| 02:06.10 | Psi | like backup your contacts to the card and create folders for stuff |
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| 02:09.12 | shamus | ger i lost all my pidgen and xchat settings during my refrsh and they did nto get restured when i restored my back up :-( |
| 02:10.52 | monoZ | as is the BBM for maemo |
| 02:10.57 | shamus | well atleast my caender survived |
| 02:11.05 | monoZ | any version?? |
| 02:12.11 | shamus | omg i lost all my flipclock alarms too |
| 02:12.15 | shamus | n800 |
| 02:12.35 | monoZ | for N900 |
| 02:14.18 | Psi | heh, got ajaxplorer running on n900 |
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| 02:17.43 | nox- | Psi, most(?) things let you select either the internal MyDocs flash or the microsd |
| 02:19.05 | Psi | ah, ok |
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| 02:24.13 | BCMM_ | Psi: it doesn't "take over" the card or anything. it just mounts it and shows it in the file-manager |
| 02:24.59 | BCMM_ | the reason you can go up one level and see the fake N900 directory is that removable media will be shown next to it |
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| 02:31.11 | shamus | makes note to self to backup .flipclockprefs.xml manuly |
| 02:31.29 | shamus | next time he has to reflash |
| 02:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | GuySoft: there is no way to backup kernel |
| 02:37.42 | sid_on | DocScrutinizer: maybe boot of ubi fs? |
| 02:37.51 | sid_on | mtd |
| 02:38.27 | sid_on | dont know; sadly dont know much ofit |
| 02:38.50 | sid_on | ... maybe mount ubi fs |
| 02:38.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | sid_on: you can read out mtd incl bad blocks, but not write back |
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| 02:40.17 | Hydroxide | hey. my N900 is 100% dead (won't turn on even with a fully charged battery). RIP. How might I be able to get stuff off of the internal storage? I'm OK with disassembling it, and OK finding someone with whatever equipment I need (maybe something to access NAND or whatever) |
| 02:40.34 | Hydroxide | it's long since past the warranty period, of course |
| 02:40.34 | GuySoft | DocScrutinizer, nevermind, flashed and back by now |
| 02:40.52 | smoku | BTW, is Xephyr delivered with Maemo SDK is special in regard to OpenGL? I recall testing some OpenGL apps under SDK and they run smooth. But on my local suse Xephyr clutter test apps give me around 4fps. |
| 02:41.07 | GuySoft | cant get nitdoird working though.. seems to think i have no battery |
| 02:42.00 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: all N900s (in the EU) are warrantied. |
| 02:42.15 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: I suppose suggesting 'restore from backups' is not helpful? |
| 02:42.38 | sid_on | strange; i bought it because it is linux and not android |
| 02:42.54 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: mine is not in the EU :) anyway, no, that isn't helpful. I think I have even made some backups, but not the most current info |
| 02:43.04 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: what do you want to recover? |
| 02:43.08 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: contacts, primarily |
| 02:43.22 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: might it be the USB connector? |
| 02:43.24 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: which would be on the internal storage as I understand it |
| 02:43.32 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: the USB connector no longer exists :) physically :) |
| 02:43.37 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
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| 02:43.45 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: however I've been charging the battery separately with a Li-Ion battery charger |
| 02:44.25 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: the battery is fully charged. it doesn't turn on. I just bought a replacement phone. (Android, sadly; I really wanted the N9 to come out before my phone died, but it didn't happen. maybe when this one dies I'll look at the then-current MeeGo options.) |
| 02:44.31 | SpeedEvil | And this no longer works? |
| 02:44.34 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 02:44.36 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 02:44.53 | SpeedEvil | Do you own a voltmeter? |
| 02:45.06 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: I know people who do. |
| 02:45.18 | SpeedEvil | I would check that the battery actually has voltage. |
| 02:45.25 | Hydroxide | I assumed there would be some degree of hardware hacking in this project. |
| 02:45.43 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: oh ... hm ... well it does show as fully charged in the charger (which has an LCD display) |
| 02:45.43 | SpeedEvil | The battery has internal protection devices that could be triggered by a improper charge. |
| 02:45.57 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: I've also done many rounds of charging before with no problem using this charger |
| 02:46.02 | SpeedEvil | Desoldering the NAND is unfortunately really complex. |
| 02:46.07 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: and it's within the electrical parameters |
| 02:46.11 | SpeedEvil | It's a BGA chip. |
| 02:46.12 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: of the charger |
| 02:46.41 | Hydroxide | hm... |
| 02:46.55 | SpeedEvil | I would first - if I was doing this - try to replace the USB socket. |
| 02:47.14 | SpeedEvil | And then see if the rootfs can be flashed - this does not remove contacts. |
| 02:47.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | err isn't NAND on PoP |
| 02:47.35 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 02:47.43 | SpeedEvil | NAND is a seperate package |
| 02:47.44 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:47.46 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: how would the USB port being fixed help if it doesn't turn on with a fully charged battery? are you thinking that the problem might be specifically in accessing the battery, not in turning on per se? |
| 02:47.46 | SpeedEvil | my bad. |
| 02:47.48 | SpeedEvil | I meant EMMC |
| 02:48.23 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: 'doesn't turn on' can be due to several causes that may be work-aroundable with a woking USB port |
| 02:48.42 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: ok. well the port is physically missing - of course it originally got weakened due to the bad surface-mounting design decision |
| 02:48.58 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: and it fell into a pharmacy escalator (not joking!) so is really lost |
| 02:49.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | esp without a loose usb rcptcl shorting circuits |
| 02:49.16 | SpeedEvil | The USB socket is a commodity part. |
| 02:49.26 | Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer51: I understood 6 of those 8 words :) |
| 02:49.39 | Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer51: (minus esp and rcptcl) |
| 02:50.02 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: and would it be obvious after disassembly how to solder it on? |
| 02:50.18 | Kilroo | especially receptacle? |
| 02:50.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 02:50.49 | Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer51: well it's definitely not short-circuiting anything by not being there :) |
| 02:51.46 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: For someone skilled in the art. |
| 02:52.02 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: right. again, that's not me, but I may know people. |
| 02:52.18 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if your average nokia care centre would be able to coldflash the phones rootfs. |
| 02:52.34 | SpeedEvil | This doesn't need the USB connector |
| 02:52.50 | Hydroxide | wouldn't the idea be to extract something, instead of changing what's on the rootfs? |
| 02:53.16 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: you flash the rootfs - on the huypothesis that something has become corrupted, and this allows it to boot. |
| 02:53.26 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: oh, my hypothesis is hardware damage |
| 02:53.41 | SpeedEvil | For example, also, the power button may have been damaged |
| 02:53.58 | SpeedEvil | This would do the above too. |
| 02:54.00 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: it literally didn't leave my bedroom from when I turned it off normally (via the power button UI) and when it failed to turn on several hours later |
| 02:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 02:54.15 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: and it didn't fall during that time, or get wet during that time. though it may have been used in moist weather previously. |
| 02:54.24 | SpeedEvil | But you can work around that by setting 'R&D' mode IIRC |
| 02:54.43 | SpeedEvil | OR maybe it's some ohter mode - I forget - but you can only do that with USB |
| 02:54.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh, not w/o usb |
| 02:54.52 | Hydroxide | sure, yeah. i've done R&D mode before (when I had a usb port) |
| 02:55.05 | SpeedEvil | It's possible it's some more involved hardwared amage - but reading the NAND after desoldering is not easy |
| 02:55.08 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 02:55.10 | SpeedEvil | reading the EMMC |
| 02:55.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | haha, yes |
| 02:56.00 | Hydroxide | hm. there's no way to get the EMMC inserted into some MMC form factor for reading in my laptop's MMC reader? |
| 02:56.14 | Kilroo | I hope my new class 10 32GB microsd is delivered soon... |
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| 02:56.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope |
| 02:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Hydroxide: yes, it's possible - it is very, very tricky. |
| 02:56.54 | SpeedEvil | And would require serious skills. |
| 02:57.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: different interface |
| 02:57.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | iirc |
| 02:57.16 | SpeedEvil | Oh? |
| 02:57.27 | SpeedEvil | I thought that EMMC was backwards compatible with the MMC interface |
| 02:57.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski claimed it's a wider bus |
| 02:58.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | 8 vs 4 or sth |
| 02:58.26 | SpeedEvil | I think it is, but it's backwards compatible to the earlier 4 and 1 bit protocols too. |
| 02:58.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe |
| 02:58.57 | SpeedEvil | In practice, this is nearly impossible to do. |
| 02:59.00 | Hydroxide | well I'll do the obvious thing first and see dust got in that is shorting the usb :) |
| 02:59.12 | Hydroxide | (I know dust itself can't short things, but maybe bits of metal are there, or something) |
| 02:59.26 | Hydroxide | *see if dust ... |
| 02:59.37 | SpeedEvil | true |
| 02:59.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | for sure it's cheaper to swap with a working N900 rather than build special adapter |
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| 03:01.21 | Hydroxide | DocScrutinizer51: swap *what* with a working n900 though? |
| 03:01.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | emmc |
| 03:02.13 | Hydroxide | assuming I or someone else figured out how to desolder and resolder it, yes :) |
| 03:02.25 | SpeedEvil | It's a fine-pitch BGA chip. |
| 03:06.34 | SpeedEvil | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/images/n900_12.jpeg - the large rectangular toshiba chip at the top right next to the camera |
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| 03:08.49 | Psi | heh apache is eating up all my memory |
| 03:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | he, that's been fun :-) |
| 03:10.39 | Dhraakellian | oy vey |
| 03:11.01 | Dhraakellian | For some unknown reason, my n900 keeps randomly shutting off when I'm not looking |
| 03:11.12 | Kilroo | That's odd. |
| 03:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | I hate the blurry cam shots of case etc though |
| 03:11.29 | Kilroo | Mine only shuts itself off when the rotatedaemon confuses it. |
| 03:11.31 | Dhraakellian | requiring a battery removal/reseat to boot up again |
| 03:11.51 | Dhraakellian | I've never actually seen it happen |
| 03:12.03 | Dhraakellian | but it's annoying when I go to check the time only to find that the phone has shut off |
| 03:12.23 | Hydroxide | SpeedEvil: that's the THGBM10B0BEBA12? |
| 03:12.33 | Hydroxide | (heh, not sure which part of that is what) |
| 03:13.13 | Dhraakellian | sometimes, it'll go for a day or two |
| 03:13.20 | Dhraakellian | Today, it shut off twice |
| 03:13.37 | Dhraakellian | I think it started about the same time I installed Rockbox |
| 03:14.02 | Dhraakellian | ...but given that it happens even when I haven't run Rockbox on that boot-up, I doubt there's anything causal |
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| 03:29.26 | blackthorne | hi |
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| 03:37.33 | blackthorne | damn, I gave 600 eur for an iPhone 4, it's great but I have to say it wasn't reached the fun factor given by my 200 eur N900... |
| 03:42.53 | shamus | how do i restore the fm radio playlist with the fmradio app on the n800? i have tryed manuly copypasting but it refuses to update on the app even after rebootign |
| 03:45.52 | sid_on | .mafw-playlists |
| 03:45.58 | shamus | etc\osso-af-init\gconf-dir\apps\maemo\fmradio\frequency_key |
| 03:46.24 | shamus | would windowb be messing up the %gconf.xml? |
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| 04:13.30 | Termana | good morning |
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| 04:20.31 | daxt | guys , is there any voice changing app for maemo ? |
| 04:23.34 | doc|home | o.O |
| 04:25.39 | daxt | doc|home xD ya i need a voice changing app :D |
| 04:26.03 | manaru | what app |
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| 04:26.20 | doc|home | that's just a tiny bit creepy |
| 04:26.31 | manaru | and change |
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| 04:32.42 | daxt | even though there are legal issues , u just need to have some fun by changing the voice :D |
| 04:32.47 | daxt | its worth taking the risk ;) |
| 04:33.05 | daxt | anybody know a voice changing app for maemo ? |
| 04:34.25 | SpeedEvil | There isn't. |
| 04:34.36 | SpeedEvil | It's in principle possible, but nobody has written one. |
| 04:35.06 | SpeedEvil | The web browser however is very capable, and you can use that to order a helium tank. |
| 04:35.44 | daxt | it wont be that hard to change the voice dynamically |
| 04:36.03 | daxt | with multithreading capabilities of Cortext |
| 04:36.07 | daxt | Cortex |
| 04:36.15 | SpeedEvil | You're missing the point. |
| 04:36.23 | SpeedEvil | It's not hard to change. |
| 04:36.42 | daxt | so we should write one :D |
| 04:36.45 | SpeedEvil | But the whole phone sybsystem is rotten with poorly documented and closed bits. |
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| 04:37.25 | daxt | who is in here interested in having a voice changing app on your N900 ? Raise your arms PLEASE ! |
| 04:37.26 | maemoRebel | hello |
| 04:37.37 | SpeedEvil | Interested. |
| 04:37.43 | daxt | 2 |
| 04:37.44 | SpeedEvil | But not enough to code it. |
| 04:37.47 | maemoRebel | daxt: Me, me meeee!!!!!! |
| 04:37.51 | daxt | 3 |
| 04:38.08 | daxt | 3 votes so far |
| 04:38.20 | daxt | who else ? |
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| 04:39.05 | maemoRebel | Is there a way on n900 to disable tracker indexing until next reboot? |
| 04:39.46 | daxt | looks like othere are not interested :( |
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| 04:43.54 | SpeedEvil | daxt: most peopel in here are asleep. |
| 04:44.34 | maemoRebel | why? |
| 04:44.54 | daxt | guyz |
| 04:44.58 | daxt | keep the idea in mind |
| 04:45.08 | daxt | lets push it on to others |
| 04:45.11 | daxt | i have to go |
| 04:45.13 | daxt | take care |
| 04:45.14 | daxt | bye |
| 04:45.16 | SpeedEvil | maemoRebel: Tracker config can be foind in /home/user/.config/tracker/tracker.cfg |
| 04:45.29 | SpeedEvil | maemoRebel: because it's 5AM in most of europe |
| 04:45.41 | maemoRebel | oh, ok |
| 04:45.42 | SpeedEvil | And midnight on west coast of US |
| 04:45.44 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 04:45.45 | SpeedEvil | east |
| 04:45.55 | daxt | i am from Sri Lanka |
| 04:46.02 | daxt | its 10:16 am and very sunny |
| 04:46.10 | daxt | have to do some farming now :D |
| 04:46.20 | SpeedEvil | I'm from Scotland, it's 4C, and very dark. |
| 04:46.32 | SpeedEvil | Wave. |
| 04:46.37 | daxt | cya guys |
| 04:46.47 | maemoRebel | how come your up in middle of the night? |
| 04:47.10 | SpeedEvil | I have a disturbed sleep cycle. |
| 04:47.22 | manaru | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_Maemo |
| 04:47.29 | maemoRebel | can Sleepanalyser fix it? :-) |
| 04:47.38 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 04:47.43 | SpeedEvil | I know it's completely fucked. |
| 04:48.13 | SpeedEvil | I went to sleep at 3PM last night, and woke up at 3AM. |
| 04:48.31 | SpeedEvil | Actually - it was I woke up at 10PM |
| 04:48.47 | manaru | time zone? |
| 04:48.49 | maemoRebel | why'd you do that for? |
| 04:48.51 | SpeedEvil | It's seemingly random at this point. |
| 04:48.58 | SpeedEvil | UK |
| 04:49.13 | SpeedEvil | Because I'm feeling like crap, and falling asleep randomly for long periods. |
| 04:50.55 | maemoRebel | you're feeling down, because of the random sleep cycle, or theres something else going on, and therefore your sleep gets messed up? |
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| 04:51.28 | SpeedEvil | Chronic Fatigue Syndrome. Generally un-fun. |
| 04:51.45 | SpeedEvil | Aggravated by some random infection. |
| 04:52.03 | maemoRebel | oh man, that sucks |
| 04:52.24 | maemoRebel | have you got health insurance? |
| 04:52.49 | SpeedEvil | UK, so no. Free healthcare. |
| 04:53.36 | maemoRebel | so did you see a doc. about it yet? |
| 04:54.22 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 04:54.42 | maemoRebel | and there was nothing he could do? |
| 04:55.27 | SpeedEvil | Not really. |
| 04:56.54 | maemoRebel | that stinks |
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| 05:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 05:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | for the voice cooker check sox |
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| 05:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | the problem isn't the voice manipulation, but f'ing PA and missing docu how to feed mic to sox and esp how to feed sox to GSM |
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| 05:32.49 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never claimed it's wider bus |
| 05:33.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's just different physical size |
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| 05:40.06 | SpeedEvil | I think it is a wider bus though |
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| 05:43.58 | Psi | does anyone know of a desktop widget for maemo that lets you stop/start a service (debbie-sue) and also shows you if its currently running? |
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| 06:40.17 | peb_ | Hi guys |
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| 06:56.25 | jonwil | bah there must be SOME binary that I can use to identify the size of some of these data structures :( |
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| 07:31.40 | Sicelo | does Claws Mail on the N900 support IMAP-IDLE? |
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| 07:36.56 | thresh | how do I install fremantle sysroot in madde ? |
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| 07:37.47 | thresh | mad-admin list shows me fremantle-1030 (installable) |
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| 07:38.21 | thresh | but mad-admin fetch doesnt show the corresponding entry. |
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| 07:44.00 | alterego | thresh: either download the sysroot manually, or install madde with Nokia Qt SDK (preferred) |
| 07:44.25 | thresh | i've installed madde using http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux |
| 07:44.37 | jonwil | Reverse engineering mobile code is a lot harder than the desktop code I am used to reverse engineering... |
| 07:45.11 | thresh | meego target seems to work. |
| 07:45.31 | thresh | other than i'm having nvidia and qemu-gl seems to have problems with it :) |
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| 07:46.28 | alterego | thresh: install Nokia Qt SDK and copy the sysroot archive and maemo conf files to the meego madde |
| 07:46.55 | alterego | There's unfortunately not an easy way to install them together |
| 07:46.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'm away from my PC, can you test something? |
| 07:47.21 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'm away from my PC (on bus) no :P |
| 07:47.27 | alterego | bbiab |
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| 07:47.30 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 07:47.30 | MohammadAG | k |
| 07:47.48 | thresh | alterego: that, and i'm not really on a supported system :) |
| 07:47.57 | thresh | and i'm kind of opposed of launching random .run files |
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| 07:48.13 | thresh | I guess getting a sysroot manually is the best choice |
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| 07:50.24 | thresh | I guess updating to a less outdated madde will also help? |
| 07:50.49 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 07:50.55 | MohammadAG | you just need the sysroot |
| 07:51.00 | thresh | as I can see http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/commit/b78724fe4e5635ee8f02512e8f2f44f23f012fbd?diffmode=sidebyside for instance |
| 07:51.18 | thresh | well, i'd rather use PR1.3.. of course I can run dist-upgrade there anyway |
| 07:51.20 | MohammadAG | i took the easy way out and installed both SDKs, then manually removed the Qt Creator stuff of one |
| 07:52.13 | alterego | thresh, the meego sysroot is newer than the maemo one ;) |
| 07:52.21 | alterego | It's actually what I use. |
| 07:52.52 | thresh | alterego: well I want to use maemo |
| 07:53.02 | thresh | and build some .dpkgs |
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| 07:53.33 | thresh | debs of course, ENEEDMORECOFFEE |
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| 07:54.23 | alterego | thresh: yeah, it's still fine to use meego madde, you just need the corret sysroot and toolchain, (which I had to extract from the Nokia Qt SDK) |
| 07:55.35 | thresh | ok |
| 07:56.12 | alterego | Also, the Nokia SDK is pretty clean, installs in your home, doesn't need root privs and is self contained |
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| 08:10.32 | thresh | thanks guys, launched QT SDK installer, seems to have a feature only to install maemo stuff. |
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| 08:18.52 | Sicelo | ~bbiab |
| 08:18.52 | infobot | somebody said bbiab was be back in a bit |
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| 08:25.09 | thresh | wtf: $ sudo mad-admin list | grep -i fremantle |
| 08:25.10 | thresh | fremantle-pr13 (installable) |
| 08:25.16 | thresh | $ sudo mad-admin create -f fremante-pr13 |
| 08:25.17 | thresh | No predefined target/runtime 'fremante-pr13' found. |
| 08:25.24 | thresh | ah crap |
| 08:25.27 | thresh | sorry :( |
| 08:25.38 | thresh | definitely need more coffe |
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| 08:37.46 | EsEhAr | unable to login in the scratchbox |
| 08:37.57 | EsEhAr | ERROR: Operation not permitted |
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| 08:37.58 | EsEhAr | ERROR: Operation not permitted |
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| 08:54.11 | koala_man | how and with what can I sync my calendar, when google isn't supported? |
| 08:54.49 | korhojoa | google still works, even though it's not supported |
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| 08:55.35 | koala_man | not well. when I add stuff, I have to sync right away. 30% of the time it fails, then I have to delete the item, recreate it, and try again. recently it says it's been down for maintenance all the time. |
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| 08:58.05 | koala_man | is there some foss server software which is supported? or some non-MfE ip based syncing method, either built-in or from a 3rd party? |
| 09:02.13 | koala_man | is sync currently working for anyone with google? |
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| 09:07.43 | haj | gpodder... when downloading a large number of podcasts on a wifi connection it seems to make the n900 do kind of io-hugging thing... known bug? |
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| 09:08.13 | andre__ | haj: query gpodder's bugtracker? |
| 09:10.23 | jacekowski | koala_man: yes it's working with google |
| 09:10.43 | jacekowski | koala_man: and there is free server software doing server side mfe as well |
| 09:10.47 | jacekowski | koala_man: just google it |
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| 09:11.24 | thresh | is there a way to create a simple chroot using madde / sysroots etc? |
| 09:11.43 | thresh | i have a fully working qemu-arm installation, that at least is capable of launching qthello via binfmt_misc entry |
| 09:16.16 | koala_man | jacekowski: I tried. can you give me a hint? |
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| 09:20.21 | koala_man | I'll give syncevolution a go |
| 09:22.14 | haj | andre__: limit_rate solved it.. ;) appeantly its not a good idea to download with +1mb/sec with gpodder.. |
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| 09:27.12 | nidO | koala_man: erminig lets you sync google calendars fine |
| 09:31.28 | thp | haj: have you set gpodder to download multiple files simultaneously? |
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| 09:34.11 | haj | thp: no |
| 09:34.49 | haj | thp: i just set it to limit_rate = True and limit_rate_value = 200.0 .. now it works just fine, and 200kbps is good enough for me... ;) |
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| 09:39.37 | thp | haj: :) |
| 09:40.11 | jonwil | Its looking more and more like maemo will never be able to do cell broadcast (even though the hardware and cellmo firmware are capable of it |
| 09:40.16 | jonwil | :( |
| 09:41.05 | trumee | haj, where do you set limit_rate? |
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| 09:41.33 | korhojoa | jonwil, WAIT, WHAT? We could start our own base station with just the phones? |
| 09:41.40 | jacekowski | no |
| 09:41.43 | jonwil | I mean Cell Broadcast SMS |
| 09:41.43 | jacekowski | yes |
| 09:41.52 | jacekowski | hardware is capable of doing it |
| 09:41.54 | jonwil | which is a feature of the GSM standards |
| 09:41.59 | jonwil | hardware can do Cell Broadcast |
| 09:42.04 | haj | trumee: .config/gpodder/gpodder.conf |
| 09:42.07 | jonwil | evidence from ofono says that the cell modem should be able to do it |
| 09:42.08 | trumee | haj, thanks |
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| 09:43.19 | koala_man | nidO: does it work on the latest n900 firmware? it doesn't appear to be in extras or extras-testing |
| 09:43.50 | nidO | it's in devel, but works fine |
| 09:44.07 | thp | trumee: on maemo 5, you should set it when gpodder is not running - otherwise gpodder won't know about the update and could overwrite it |
| 09:44.40 | trumee | thp, thanks. i did that |
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| 09:45.24 | trumee | thp, i usually download podcasts overnight using a script. and had to powercycle N900 in the morning |
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| 09:45.45 | trumee | thp, but with limitrate i wont have to powercycle i think |
| 09:46.03 | reenignEesreveR | someone gave a link for compiling my source code for maemo using gcc. Could someone please share it with me again? |
| 09:46.20 | jonwil | if I could just figure out some of these damn libisi functions (or had the libisi devel package) I could have CBSMS going (at least to the point where its able to pick up the incoming messages, if not actually doing something with them) inside a week |
| 09:46.29 | jacekowski | reenignEesreveR: google.com |
| 09:47.10 | thp | trumee: strange, i never have a problem with downloading at full speed |
| 09:47.30 | trumee | thp, i dont have any issue with downloading |
| 09:48.08 | trumee | thp, but the device is snappier if i powercycle. guess gpodder causes things to go into swap |
| 09:49.02 | crashanddie | reenignEesreveR, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/ |
| 09:52.37 | reenignEesreveR | thanks crashanddie |
| 09:52.48 | reenignEesreveR | btw does gcc work on the device itself? |
| 09:53.58 | crashanddie | yes |
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| 09:54.37 | crashanddie | reenignEesreveR, though, jacekowski is right. Google does work really great for those kind of questions. http://www.google.com/search?q=n900+gcc |
| 09:58.37 | _trine | whats the current kernel version |
| 09:58.57 | reenignEesreveR | ok, lemme rephrase my question: has anyone here ever succesfully run gcc on n900 because i've tried the results on google and they are verrry daunting |
| 09:59.04 | ZogG | lcuk, you used wrong tag |
| 09:59.05 | _trine | I am on 2.6.28 here |
| 09:59.47 | lcuk | ZogG, hm? |
| 09:59.52 | ZogG | lcuk, change guinness to Weihenstephan |
| 10:00.02 | lcuk | lol |
| 10:00.13 | Sicelo | wow, gcc on N900! :D i am impressed. |
| 10:00.20 | reenignEesreveR | ??? |
| 10:00.21 | crashanddie | reenignEesreveR, yes, no problem |
| 10:00.36 | crashanddie | reenignEesreveR, just make sure you have plenty of space on the rootfs, then apt-get build-essential |
| 10:00.49 | crashanddie | you may have to add the sdk repository though, don't remember |
| 10:01.04 | reenignEesreveR | thanks crashanddie, i'll google the repository required |
| 10:01.18 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | is gcc installable to chroot sdk image as well? |
| 10:01.31 | crashanddie | chroot sdk image? |
| 10:01.41 | crashanddie | in scratchbox? |
| 10:02.10 | ZogG | lcuk twitter, i damn follow your every step |
| 10:02.14 | ZogG | is stalker |
| 10:02.17 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | qole built an ext2 image a while back |
| 10:02.27 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i'll find the link. |
| 10:04.54 | lcuk | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], "SDK" hmmm software development kit, what would that need |
| 10:04.58 | lcuk | hmmm lets see, perhaps a compiler |
| 10:05.11 | lcuk | nahh, I dont think gcc will work in it |
| 10:05.21 | lcuk | slaps you with frals' herring |
| 10:05.59 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://qole.org/files/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2.lzma |
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| 10:06.11 | lcuk | ZogG, yes I need to try more drinks |
| 10:06.29 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | nevermind, if it don't work it was worth a try anyway |
| 10:06.38 | ZogG | i don't like dark beer |
| 10:06.44 | ZogG | i like unfiltered beer |
| 10:06.55 | ZogG | Weihenstephan is my favorite |
| 10:06.57 | thresh | fremantle pr13 chroot, anyone? :( |
| 10:07.11 | ZogG | lcuk, try goldstar, do you have goldstar? |
| 10:07.29 | lcuk | ZogG, I don't know what they have, its an Irish bar though |
| 10:07.57 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | herring aren't as effective as trout :) |
| 10:09.40 | lcuk | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], and mornings without coffee are the same |
| 10:09.50 | lcuk | so you are right |
| 10:10.03 | lcuk | puts down the herring and replaces it with a trout |
| 10:11.11 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | that reminds me. time for a brew.. i'll put the kettle on |
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| 10:16.52 | alterego | ponders |
| 10:17.57 | alterego | I have a class which requires a QSqlDatabase taken in through its' constructor, but I don't want plugins that use its' header to have to include that dependency. |
| 10:18.01 | alterego | sighs |
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| 10:18.24 | alterego | Think I might have to factor it out and define an interface .. |
| 10:19.32 | sar3th | i just reflashed my n900 (userdata and kernel), but it seems i cannot install certain apps, eg cutetube: "missing packages: libc6 (>=2.7-1)" :/ |
| 10:19.36 | sar3th | any ideas/suggestions? |
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| 10:23.26 | andre__ | sar3th, default libc6 version on latest Maemo5 is 2.5.1. No idea why cutetube requires a higher version and where to get it from |
| 10:26.10 | sar3th | hm :/ |
| 10:26.11 | RST38h | AAS is *really* desperate now: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/features/item/12494_House_of_cards_syndrome_and_pu.php |
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| 10:26.20 | sar3th | there is several applications which have similar problems |
| 10:26.22 | RST38h | Poor guy... |
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| 10:41.50 | lardman | shell script gurus present (or even those who've even seen one)? |
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| 10:42.41 | lardman | can I do something like: for i in 1 2 3 4 5 ; do partition=mmcblk1p${i} |
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| 10:45.06 | sar3th | lardman: http://www.cyberciti.biz/faq/bash-for-loop/ <- i think that'll be useful :) |
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| 10:55.55 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yes |
| 10:55.58 | SpeedEvil | but that too |
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| 11:01.10 | lardman | thanks chaps |
| 11:03.34 | lardman | what's the easiest way of generating a <0 return code so I can test the use of $? |
| 11:03.39 | jonwil | Does the n900 support system call tracing in the default kernel? |
| 11:03.43 | alterego | false |
| 11:03.45 | lardman | [$?] that is |
| 11:03.54 | lardman | ok, thanks |
| 11:03.57 | alterego | false; echo $? |
| 11:04.28 | lardman | cool |
| 11:04.44 | lardman | tried to make his init script as robust as possible |
| 11:04.53 | alterego | it's actually > 0 |
| 11:04.59 | alterego | But anything non 0 is false |
| 11:05.07 | lardman | yeah just noticed that |
| 11:05.09 | lardman | thanks |
| 11:06.40 | daxt | hey lardman , how many pigs have you got in ur farm ? |
| 11:06.44 | jonwil | hmmm, I doubt system call tracing would help in my case anyway :P |
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| 11:07.04 | lardman | daxt: none, mainly in my sandwiches |
| 11:07.17 | daxt | lardman , not good for ur heart mate |
| 11:08.06 | lardman | I prescribe bacon |
| 11:08.18 | daxt | even worse |
| 11:08.26 | daxt | be a vege |
| 11:09.42 | lcuk | mmmm bacon |
| 11:10.22 | lcuk | lardman, you don't just prescribe it, you cut it, cook it and eat it. you would be a bad pharmacist |
| 11:10.23 | lardman | :) |
| 11:10.30 | lcuk | "sorry, you need bacon, but i ate it all" |
| 11:11.20 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/5rZW1kH1 |
| 11:11.39 | lardman | why do I get the following error: ./init_stage2.sh: 32: [[: not found |
| 11:11.44 | lardman | where s/32/21 |
| 11:15.11 | lcuk | lardman, closest to that i have used is: |
| 11:15.13 | lcuk | 110 |
| 11:15.13 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:15.13 | lcuk | 111 |
| 11:15.13 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:17.33 | lardman | ah, sh doesn't like double [[s |
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| 11:21.24 | lcuk | lardman, not sure, i think with bash scripting you just add extra to be sure |
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| 11:25.43 | trx | is there i way i can temporarily disable Fn+Syn dialog from opening, when in my app? |
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| 11:26.44 | alterego | trx: you can handle the key presses exclusively. |
| 11:27.03 | alterego | You need to intercept the X key event and stop it propogating to hildon though |
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| 11:27.23 | trx | god damn X |
| 11:27.32 | trx | whatever i try to do with it |
| 11:27.39 | trx | i just does nothing :/ |
| 11:27.50 | trx | no errors, no nothing.. |
| 11:28.00 | trx | it* |
| 11:28.25 | trx | so via X is the only way? |
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| 11:28.47 | trx | i cant tell hildon to pass the event and not use it? |
| 11:28.52 | DaReaper | Hey |
| 11:29.20 | DaReaper | About the saturation effect of hildon-desktop , has anyone tried it out ? |
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| 11:30.39 | trx | DaReaper works fine |
| 11:30.53 | DaReaper | okay i'll give it a try |
| 11:30.56 | DaReaper | thank you |
| 11:31.08 | trx | np |
| 11:32.58 | lardman | hmm, annoying that I can't get adb to work under Linux |
| 11:33.06 | lardman | reboots to Win7 where it does work |
| 11:33.09 | lardman | bbl |
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| 11:42.05 | KevinB | Hi guys |
| 11:42.29 | KevinB | is there a way that n900 doesnt check the magnet for mmc security? |
| 11:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|gone: [[ != test |
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| 11:44.45 | lcuk | KevinB, its not security |
| 11:44.55 | lcuk | its making sure its plugged in and connected and lid closed |
| 11:45.13 | lcuk | if you cannot close lid and have magnet really there, try this: |
| 11:45.31 | KevinB | well, may the n900 let me take in charge that function :) ? |
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| 11:46.08 | lcuk | http://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/magnet.png |
| 11:46.21 | lcuk | (as noted: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC ) |
| 11:46.56 | lcuk | KevinB, meh, its wired in and set, more hassle to remove it for a specific device than to just put the back back on ;) |
| 11:47.52 | KevinB | so no way to escape that, I guess. Just the magnet has gone... fridge ones aren't powerfull enough, and earbud ones are un extractable |
| 11:48.16 | lcuk | where theres a will, theres a way. |
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| 11:49.13 | lcuk | KevinB, nothing is unextractable, we have brought back stardust and comet fragments from the cosmos and you cannot find a magnet here on earth? |
| 11:49.41 | KevinB | haha, bring me a comet, yea sure there s always a way |
| 11:49.44 | nomis | it probably is a rare earth magnet. |
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| 11:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | KevinB: get a matching magnet, or a spare battery cover |
| 11:54.07 | lcuk | KevinB, you aren't by chance anywhere near the LHC are you? |
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| 11:54.24 | KevinB | well 4-5 hours by car |
| 11:54.25 | lcuk | I hear they have some magnets lying around |
| 11:54.37 | DocScrutinizer | not that small ones |
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| 11:55.01 | KevinB | you think some boson particules would magnetize it, and become thhe superN900 no one would ever had? |
| 11:55.06 | RobbieThe1st | Ebay? |
| 11:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | small powerful magnets usually can be found in HDDs |
| 11:55.21 | RobbieThe1st | I'm sure you can get a magnet of any size you need |
| 11:55.32 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 11:56.47 | chem|st | got an ovi drinking bottle and has no idea for what purpose the inlay is |
| 11:58.03 | KevinB | Well if someone could tell Nokia I 'm okay to pay 10 bucks more for a better glue, would b great |
| 11:59.00 | chem|st | KevinB: glue? |
| 12:00.07 | KevinB | isnt glue that sticks the magnet |
| 12:00.50 | chem|st | KevinB: didn't see anything "glued" yet |
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| 12:04.11 | mikki-kun | well, my magnet came of as well, but from the kickstand and now the two magnets cuddle each other all the time and can't let go of one another... |
| 12:04.24 | chem|st | and is it a magnetswitch for the sd slot? thought it is optical |
| 12:04.46 | chem|st | mikki-kun: was it glued in as it looks cramped to me |
| 12:05.05 | mikki-kun | *checking with a magnifier* |
| 12:05.17 | chem|st | a drop of glue helps anyway |
| 12:06.48 | mikki-kun | it seems to use some glue |
| 12:06.54 | mikki-kun | but it is also cramped in |
| 12:07.00 | mikki-kun | i guess am combination of both |
| 12:07.22 | mikki-kun | chem|st: iirc it is a magnetswitch |
| 12:09.29 | chem|st | that makes me wonder why it came off |
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| 12:11.48 | mikki-kun | production errors :) |
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| 12:12.55 | chem|st | I should realy talk to one of the guys about a job offer (I like finnlandia)... |
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| 12:14.13 | fenrir | any advice on flashing N900 to its original settings |
| 12:14.25 | chem|st | fenrir: linux or windows? |
| 12:14.26 | fenrir | when ii am tryiing flasher i get this |
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| 12:15.25 | fenrir | chem|st: win |
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| 12:16.12 | chem|st | fenrir: 3.1 95 98 ME NT4.1 2k xp vista 7? |
| 12:16.33 | fenrir | 7 |
| 12:17.04 | chem|st | and what do you get? |
| 12:17.06 | lardman | re |
| 12:17.23 | lardman | well it didn't boot, in fact I'm doubtful it even got out of the android init.rc script |
| 12:17.33 | fenrir | sec |
| 12:17.39 | fenrir | http://pastebin.us/2021 |
| 12:18.48 | sar3th | seems your image is corrupt? :/ |
| 12:19.08 | fenrir | so just download the iimage again ? |
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| 12:20.03 | sar3th | that's what i'd try |
| 12:20.44 | fenrir | and after flashiiiing it back to defaults i can run ovi suite restore to restore contacs and so o on from my backup file ? |
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| 12:24.59 | chem|st | fenrir: that might work... for the future... use the build-in backup tool |
| 12:25.29 | fenrir | chem|st: you mean the built in N900 backup ? |
| 12:25.42 | chem|st | yes |
| 12:25.50 | fenrir | ok |
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| 12:26.14 | chem|st | that just works but you need to copy the files by hand to your computer |
| 12:26.44 | chem|st | feels wierd by talking about computer as he thinks the n900 is one already |
| 12:27.48 | fenrir | haha yeah |
| 12:27.58 | fenrir | the battery iis crap tho |
| 12:28.06 | fenrir | or well depends |
| 12:28.39 | nidO | the battery life of mine randomly decided to suddenly become amazing a month or so ago, so im happy with the life of mine now \o/ |
| 12:28.58 | thresh | what, it lives for 5 hours instead of two now? |
| 12:29.11 | chem|st | nidO: what 10h instead of 8h? |
| 12:29.14 | ThreeM | die battery will need a few recharge cicles to be "good" |
| 12:29.16 | nidO | no, it now manages 7 days idle, instead of 2 |
| 12:29.41 | chem|st | nidO: idle in terms of no wifi/gsm? |
| 12:29.43 | nidO | since the day i bought it over a year ago i've generally gotten in the region of 48 hours idle/low usage out of it |
| 12:29.53 | nidO | then bam, end of december, it suddenly lasts a week |
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| 12:30.13 | chem|st | nidO: 72h was my max yet |
| 12:30.18 | nidO | chem|st: yeah, or wifi on with power saving, which has only ever made a small dent in battery life |
| 12:30.21 | sar3th | nidO: i experienced the same thing. well, not as extreme though, i have now 2 days avg instead of one |
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| 12:30.50 | ThreeM | anyway die lifetime of the N900 is not difference from a HTC Desire (for example) |
| 12:30.55 | chem|st | nidO: so no skype and no msn at your end |
| 12:31.11 | nidO | chem|st: nope, nothing |
| 12:31.31 | mikki-kun | how often do you clean your n900? i mean not just wash of the screen fast but really try doing it good and get as much out as possible? |
| 12:31.50 | ThreeM | so any smartphoe has worse batterylifetime :) |
| 12:32.07 | chem|st | nidO: that is the key, without IM you have only wifi keepalives and thats not much |
| 12:33.00 | nidO | chem|st: yes I know, but the point is even without any im communications for the entire past year the device has always struggled to make it past 48 hours idle/low usage, even when its a totally clean reflash on it |
| 12:33.27 | nidO | now it suddenly uses about 15% battery a day doing the same |
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| 12:34.10 | lcuk | nidO, so ~1 week? |
| 12:34.14 | chem|st | nidO: pr1.3 put me down to about 24h now, normal day usage was like 48h, now the battery was down to 40% after 8h in day |
| 12:34.31 | nidO | I just noticed it between christmas and new year, saw the battery was at 30% or so and occured to me I hadnt charged it for ages, checked battery-eye and saw that the last time id charged it was 5 days earlier |
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| 12:34.36 | sar3th | chem|st, that depends on your network - at university, people are too stupid to turn off UPnP, that adds a lot of traffic...in addition to that, there are "random" broadcasts coming in |
| 12:35.11 | mikki-kun | and also how close you are to your wireless source :) |
| 12:35.23 | sar3th | yup |
| 12:35.39 | sar3th | i'm pretty happy with it though, it usually lasts longer than my friend's htc desire :D |
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| 12:37.41 | nidO | tbh, roll on the day when "we can increase the power output of atomic batteries enough to power cellphones" isnt "two years away" every 2 years for the past 2 decades, and actually happens |
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| 12:42.14 | lardman | does init having pid==1 matter at all? |
| 12:42.47 | mikki-kun | i think init has always pid=1 |
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| 12:43.14 | lardman | yeah, but what if I need to use an initramfs and can't exec the main rootfs init |
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| 12:44.56 | RST38h | Atomic batteries have got pretty nice power output |
| 12:45.19 | RST38h | It is shielding that is causing some practical problems :) |
| 12:46.08 | lardman | hmm, seems that exec might not even work in the android init.rc, that could be why it's failing |
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| 12:47.07 | Corsac | RST38h: especially when you put it in your trousers |
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| 12:47.50 | RST38h | lardman: what are you hacking? B) |
| 12:47.57 | lardman | Galaxy Tab |
| 12:48.01 | RST38h | ah! |
| 12:48.19 | RST38h | Corsac: Well, it is likely to tear your trousers, or at least severely weight them down |
| 12:48.20 | lardman | trying to pass control to Meego on a btrfs partition on the uSD card, but leaving Android intact too |
| 12:48.43 | RST38h | No, your balls will not turn into little glowing pyramids |
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| 12:49.23 | RST38h | lardman: Can it do chroot? |
| 12:49.35 | lardman | I have busybox in the initramfs |
| 12:49.54 | lardman | I think switch_root is the one I need |
| 12:50.09 | lardman | but I'm not certain by any stretch of the imagination |
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| 12:51.37 | lardman | http://forum.samdroid.net/f9/new-init-exec-import-implemented-3280/ |
| 12:51.52 | lardman | buggers, in their docs they talk about the exec command and then don't bother to implement it |
| 12:52.26 | RST38h | Math majors! |
| 12:52.28 | lardman | I need to use the Android init so I can bring up Android (well I guess I could do it all with script-tasticness, but Android init works, so I was thinking that would be easiest) |
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| 12:53.10 | lardman | hmm, ok, that makes me happier at least |
| 12:53.47 | Ex-Opesa | I installed "kernel-power-settings" as it was intructed here http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power |
| 12:53.47 | lardman | is assuming that Samsung have also left out the exec functionality |
| 12:54.24 | Ex-Opesa | I did the installation process through SSH and I didn't "halt" it. I used "reboot" command and now the device keeps rebooting. What to do? |
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| 12:57.09 | trx | where are headers for libqt situated in scratchbox? |
| 12:57.53 | lardman | do you have the -dev packages installed? |
| 12:58.44 | trx | well, i have headers for all libs (eg. liblocation, libconic, gtk, etc..) |
| 12:58.50 | trx | so probably yes |
| 12:59.14 | lardman | dpkg --listfiles then? |
| 12:59.30 | lardman | wonders if that switch is right |
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| 13:02.02 | Venemo_N900 | hey |
| 13:02.47 | MohammadAG | hi |
| 13:03.06 | Venemo_N900 | I got my laptop back |
| 13:03.12 | Venemo_N900 | but it isn't repaired :( |
| 13:03.23 | Venemo_N900 | they were unable to reproduce the issue... |
| 13:03.26 | Venemo_N900 | crap. |
| 13:03.34 | MohammadAG | What was the issue again? |
| 13:03.36 | MohammadAG | I keep forgetting |
| 13:03.57 | Venemo_N900 | random freezing during heavy load |
| 13:04.05 | MohammadAG | oh that |
| 13:04.13 | MohammadAG | send it in after a month |
| 13:04.22 | MohammadAG | they'll be able to reproduce it :P |
| 13:04.24 | MohammadAG | same happened to me |
| 13:04.52 | MohammadAG | told them it was the GFX card, after a week they returned with an extra warranty sticker |
| 13:05.18 | MohammadAG | sent it back a month later, and they said it was the card, I was like no shit |
| 13:05.19 | Venemo_N900 | hah. |
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| 13:05.45 | MohammadAG | I'd try to narrow down the problem |
| 13:05.59 | Venemo_N900 | I'd say, mainboard fault |
| 13:06.05 | MohammadAG | see what's causing it, one of three, CPU, GFX or RAM |
| 13:06.16 | MohammadAG | doubt it's that |
| 13:06.18 | Venemo_N900 | not ram, not gfx |
| 13:06.19 | MohammadAG | do a memtest, that's RAM crossed out |
| 13:06.30 | MohammadAG | sure? |
| 13:06.36 | Ex-Opesa | How can I reflash n900 if it restarts after few seconds?.. |
| 13:06.40 | MohammadAG | run a make -j 4 :p |
| 13:06.57 | MohammadAG | if it crashes, send that as a way to reproduce |
| 13:07.08 | MohammadAG | Ex-Opesa, read instructions, you have to press u |
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| 13:07.12 | trx | lardman i guess i dont then :/ |
| 13:07.30 | trx | what is the package name? can i apt-get it? |
| 13:07.43 | lardman | do apt-cache search qt and see what there is |
| 13:07.56 | trx | ok, ty |
| 13:08.36 | Ex-Opesa | MohammadAG, Those instructions are on this page? https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 13:08.39 | lardman | there will be lots |
| 13:08.54 | lardman | but get an idea of the root name, then do it again to get fewer random items :) |
| 13:09.10 | lardman | not sure if you can use wildcards, but I think not |
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| 13:10.21 | trx | ill grep it (or is that even possible?) |
| 13:10.57 | Ex-Opesa | Nevermind, they are there^^ |
| 13:11.18 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 13:11.19 | nidO | huh, latest engadget rumour mill for the n9 is an atom chip |
| 13:11.26 | lardman | trx: yeah you can pipe the output to grep I guess |
| 13:11.36 | MohammadAG | nidO, engadget is retarded imho |
| 13:11.41 | lardman | nidO: where's that one from? |
| 13:11.45 | lardman | originally? |
| 13:11.59 | nidO | lardman: their source is apparently prosessori, some finnish tech mag |
| 13:12.07 | lardman | ok |
| 13:12.33 | lardman | hmm interesting, the Samsung tarball for the Tab platform is now 10x larger than the last release |
| 13:12.41 | lardman | source code that is |
| 13:14.46 | lardman | hmm, still not all that full of goodies |
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| 13:18.17 | lardman | can one demand the source of an apache 2 licensed code? |
| 13:19.05 | lardman | seems not |
| 13:20.05 | lcuk | lardman, hm? |
| 13:20.45 | lardman | am just wondering if I can demand that Samsung release the source for their implementation of Android init so that I can confirm that it doesn't implement the exec keyword |
| 13:20.51 | lardman | and it's under an Apache 2 licence |
| 13:21.06 | Jaffa | Morning (ish) |
| 13:21.35 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I replaced the RAM. so that's not the problem. I also ran a gfx card stress test, and that didn't reproduce the issue either |
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| 13:22.09 | RST38h | lardman: You can demand anything, while standing in front of an anthill |
| 13:22.14 | lardman | yeah |
| 13:22.17 | RST38h | lardman: The ants will not care. |
| 13:22.56 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: however after a couple of hours of gaming or heavy development, the issue appears |
| 13:23.20 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: and this is very bad to my Starcraft 2 statistics |
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| 13:31.24 | Corsac | hhmhm, rumors on moorestown-based n9 |
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| 13:38.10 | Venemo_N900 | Corsac: and you believe them? |
| 13:38.49 | chem|st | Corsac: as long as there is the capacitive touchscreen there is no n9! |
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| 13:39.46 | Jaffa | Corsac: Nokia would be mad. There's never been a mass market - or even large niche - x86-based phone. |
| 13:40.13 | chem|st | a n910 with my design would fit any community needs... but nokia wont ever listen to us in regards of device design |
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| 13:44.56 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: what's your design? |
| 13:45.12 | SpeedEvil | Does it have a VT220 full-sized terminal on it? |
| 13:46.27 | SpeedEvil | I'm not sure - apart from making the n900 lcd fill a bit more of the bezel - how it could be improved on the basic design. |
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| 13:47.06 | chem|st | Venemo_N900: I just put up some drawings from what input I got from community based on the n900 design, thiner but wider, ergonomical and one hand use |
| 13:47.18 | chem|st | lms if I have a pic reachable |
| 13:47.43 | Trewas | Jaffa: why would it matter that there has been no x86 phones before? n9 is supposed to be the first meego phone anyway, so it's not like they have to care about breaking old apps |
| 13:47.51 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, make it slimmer |
| 13:48.10 | MohammadAG | put a better camera sensor |
| 13:48.10 | lardman | SpeedEvil: larger screen, thinner device |
| 13:48.17 | lardman | better gps, add an e-compass |
| 13:48.18 | Jaffa | Trewas: Because Nokia have too much riding on the first appearance of a MeeGo device to risk it on an unknown h/w architecture. |
| 13:48.35 | MohammadAG | put 512MBs of RAM |
| 13:48.36 | Jaffa | Trewas: Poor battery life & heat issues would reflect too badly |
| 13:48.39 | MohammadAG | release with Maemo 5 |
| 13:48.45 | lardman | MohammadAG: or more :) |
| 13:48.55 | MohammadAG | and more buttons for the love of... |
| 13:49.01 | Trewas | Jaffa: intel atom unknown, really? :) but I see your point |
| 13:49.09 | Jaffa | Trewas: In a phone formfactor, yes. |
| 13:49.12 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: link please |
| 13:49.20 | lardman | power consumption is still too poor afaiu |
| 13:49.23 | Jaffa | Trewas: For Nokia, in a phone formfactor, yes. |
| 13:49.27 | lardman | so I think that immediately rules it out |
| 13:49.39 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I mean easily manufacturable. |
| 13:49.40 | MohammadAG | 3000mAh battery would be nice |
| 13:49.40 | chem|st | http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=1488939576329&set=o.39262975727 |
| 13:49.52 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I'm also wearing my electronic designers hat. |
| 13:49.57 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Not if it consumes 3A/h ;-) |
| 13:49.59 | Trewas | some intel docs btw claim for new atoms "These power savings translate into >10 days of standby, up to 2 days of audio playback and 4-5 hours of browsing and video battery life" with 1500mAh battery, it does not say whether that should present only the processor/platform or a complete device |
| 13:50.08 | lardman | SpeedEvil: well the chipset stuff needs to be done as they need more ram and a faster processor |
| 13:50.13 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs196.snc4/38126_1488939576329_1019137532_1448341_4484979_n.jpg |
| 13:50.35 | lardman | but yeah a larger screen I guess, though they really can't compete with something which is only just a bit bigger than what they have |
| 13:50.40 | SpeedEvil | lardman: more RAM is a gimme. As I understand it, it's possible to fit 512M of RAM - now - on the n900 processor. |
| 13:50.45 | lardman | i.e. one that would fit in the shell |
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| 13:51.01 | lardman | needs a later processor too, faster |
| 13:51.06 | lardman | but that would all fit |
| 13:51.23 | SpeedEvil | lardman: See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mhSKaUfaog4 |
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| 13:51.30 | lardman | I think they really need to go for ~4" screen though to make the device attractive |
| 13:51.37 | MohammadAG | chem|st, you need to consider that some people don't use Facebook |
| 13:51.55 | lardman | SpeedEvil: wow, that's odd |
| 13:51.55 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it appeared correctly |
| 13:51.57 | chem|st | have no pic from my followup as this one is thicker and not wide enough, I was thinking of doing a plastic protot. of it once I got a clue about it |
| 13:51.59 | SpeedEvil | lardman: yeah |
| 13:52.03 | Venemo_N900 | chem|st: notya pwnseries lol! |
| 13:52.12 | chem|st | MohammadAG: just tested the link without being logged in |
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| 13:52.17 | SpeedEvil | lardman: there is no fundamental reason you have to make screens rectangular - it's just a bit easier |
| 13:52.27 | lardman | true |
| 13:52.38 | MohammadAG | chem|st, my bad then :p |
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| 13:52.51 | lardman | but how much bezel is there? My N900 is winging its way to be warranty triaged |
| 13:52.57 | lardman | not enough I don;t think |
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| 13:53.37 | SpeedEvil | lardman: there is approximately 14mm of distance between the end of the visible screen, and the end of the case, on either side |
| 13:54.02 | lardman | ok, so it could have a long aspect ratio screen snuck in there |
| 13:54.15 | SpeedEvil | ~1.5cm more screen is probably just about feasible |
| 13:54.15 | infobot | okay, SpeedEvil |
| 13:54.22 | SpeedEvil | huh? |
| 13:54.22 | chem|st | 19:10 screen was my idea on screen ratio, to get a clue of the size it's drawing is on 5mm paper |
| 13:54.33 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:54.45 | SpeedEvil | How do I tell infobot to ignore that |
| 13:55.00 | chem|st | put a blank in front |
| 13:55.08 | SpeedEvil | I mean to unlearn that |
| 13:55.13 | SpeedEvil | meh |
| 13:55.15 | chem|st | ~forget 1.5cm |
| 13:55.15 | infobot | chem|st: i didn't have anything called '1.5cm' to forget |
| 13:55.28 | chem|st | ~1.5cm |
| 13:55.30 | SpeedEvil | ~forget 1.5cm more screen |
| 13:55.30 | infobot | SpeedEvil: i forgot 1.5cm more screen |
| 13:55.54 | SpeedEvil | ponders bot abuse. |
| 13:55.57 | chem|st | ah the "is" is the braker |
| 13:56.01 | SpeedEvil | decides against it. |
| 13:57.04 | chem|st | replacing the cam-slide with crystal glass is another idea |
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| 13:57.51 | SpeedEvil | the cam slide also stops fingerprints. |
| 13:58.09 | chem|st | they are so out of focus... |
| 13:58.10 | SpeedEvil | even if you replace it with sapphire, it'll still get fingerprints on it |
| 13:58.25 | SpeedEvil | But they blur the image |
| 13:58.30 | chem|st | so what you tell me you cannot swipe them? |
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| 13:59.00 | SpeedEvil | No, I tell you I don't want to look at the screen critically every time I take a photo to work out if there is a fingerprint on it |
| 13:59.21 | chem|st | ok "keep cam-slide" |
| 13:59.37 | lardman | hmm, just makes the device bigger and is something else to break |
| 13:59.47 | lardman | I'm undecided about the need for a slider |
| 13:59.47 | fenrir | what i am doing wrong http://pastebin.us/2024 |
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| 14:00.12 | fenrir | using this guide http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/ |
| 14:00.16 | chem|st | that is what I tought but as I am thinking of a proper stand too there must be some space for the slide aswell |
| 14:00.54 | lardman | fenrir: your N900 working? |
| 14:01.11 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 14:01.11 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:01.40 | chem|st | fenrir: the device is not recognized as line 130 tells |
| 14:01.42 | lardman | fenrir: shut the device down without the power lead plugged in, plug the usb cable into the PC, then into the N900 |
| 14:01.52 | lardman | s/power lead/power or usb |
| 14:02.09 | chem|st | while holding "U" key |
| 14:02.46 | Hoxzer | Anybody here has succesfully managed to get snx to work with NoMachine NX? |
| 14:03.00 | lardman | no, no need to hold any keys |
| 14:03.20 | lardman | all that key stuff is a pita and is not needed if you are sure the device is completely off before you being |
| 14:03.23 | lardman | begin |
| 14:03.37 | chem|st | ah ok never tried without... |
| 14:03.37 | fenrir | lardman: thats what i did |
| 14:03.52 | fenrir | lardman: do i need to keep u key pressed all the time |
| 14:03.56 | fenrir | or just on connect |
| 14:03.58 | chem|st | fenrir: are you using your fron usb or a hub? |
| 14:03.59 | lardman | don';t press it at all |
| 14:04.04 | fenrir | usb |
| 14:04.08 | chem|st | s/fron/front/ |
| 14:04.23 | fenrir | basic laptop USB front |
| 14:04.25 | fenrir | not hub |
| 14:04.31 | MohammadAG | where can I buy Nokia parts? |
| 14:04.38 | MohammadAG | I need the N8's bottom battery cover thingy |
| 14:04.42 | chem|st | MohammadAG: which country? |
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| 14:05.03 | SpeedEvil | stabs the concept of approved retailers for parts. |
| 14:05.04 | chem|st | MohammadAG: what is thingy? |
| 14:05.13 | lardman | oh you're using Windows, well what I said still holds, but I've never been able to flash using windows |
| 14:05.44 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/ |
| 14:05.45 | fenrir | lardman: so easyer to do with linux ? |
| 14:05.51 | RST38h | ORLY? |
| 14:05.59 | lardman | perhaps in that case holding "u" increases the timeout before the flasher is passed over and it boots, I don't know? |
| 14:06.05 | lardman | fenrir: yes, works every time |
| 14:06.20 | fenrir | it seems ii need to install dualboot ubuntu |
| 14:06.25 | fenrir | or ubuntu live cd ? |
| 14:06.46 | lardman | "By introducing another MeToo handset?" Another?! |
| 14:06.47 | fenrir | i am reinstalliing device software via ovi suite now |
| 14:06.54 | fenrir | will see what it does |
| 14:07.31 | RST38h | lardman: Engadget. |
| 14:07.43 | chem|st | MohammadAG: for the housing in complete I found one http://www.mobilephonecrazy.com/modeldetail/n8,Original_Complete_Housing_Unit.htm |
| 14:07.55 | MohammadAG | http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/Nokia-N8-00-Spare-Parts/N8-00-BOTTOM-ASSY-DARK-GREY-255803 |
| 14:07.58 | chem|st | but I guess you dont need the full thing |
| 14:08.09 | MohammadAG | that |
| 14:08.15 | MohammadAG | but the store's closed till 31/1 |
| 14:09.36 | chem|st | http://www.vaivaton.com/product/1104-1-255803 |
| 14:09.39 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: It could make sense to go with a different processor for N9, if they assume that meego isn't going to be releasable for a year. |
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| 14:11.24 | Venemo_N900 | N9 will run harmattan, so why would they care about MeeGo's releasability? |
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| 14:12.47 | SpeedEvil | Oh. |
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| 14:14.28 | chem|st | MohammadAG: http://www.gerry-mobilfunk.de/9992184.html |
| 14:16.36 | chem|st | MohammadAG: that one ships EU only... |
| 14:16.49 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Dunno. Atom-based N9 in a few weeks sounds unlikely though. |
| 14:17.04 | MohammadAG | ha |
| 14:17.15 | chem|st | MohammadAG: maybe it ships when billing adress is in germany |
| 14:17.30 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: highly |
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| 14:18.41 | chem|st | MohammadAG: should I ask them or did you find another one? |
| 14:18.45 | MohammadAG | spam on meego-community ML? |
| 14:18.57 | chem|st | yes "again" |
| 14:20.36 | MohammadAG | chem|st, might actually just find a shop that sells it around here |
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| 14:21.49 | chem|st | MohammadAG: sure but it was hard enough for me to find shops like that... as this one sells all spare parts like buttons as single unit... |
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| 14:22.54 | chem|st | it might get interesting at the point of the cam as it is the same formfactor as the n900's but 12MP |
| 14:23.08 | chem|st | a 70eur upgrade... |
| 14:23.16 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: maybe as a European friend of yours to order what you need and then send it to you |
| 14:23.34 | MohammadAG | I'm a bit pissed that the N8 is all-metal except that piece |
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| 14:23.50 | derf | chem|st: A higher-res sensor isn't going to be that much help... the optics will still suck. |
| 14:24.12 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it would be worse if it wasn't metal at all |
| 14:24.14 | chem|st | derf: well build one in that size... |
| 14:24.31 | yacc | derf: And I thought we've got a premium Carl Zeiss optic on our N900? *lol* |
| 14:24.52 | derf | yacc: Yes, it is premium shit. |
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| 14:25.02 | chem|st | thats just the lens and it is still plastic crap |
| 14:25.11 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, I'll just send it to Nokia Care |
| 14:25.20 | MohammadAG | it's not my device anyway :p |
| 14:25.23 | yacc | derf: Well, as I'm not a picture guy, that's not really an issue for me. (Technically my wife dislikes to be photographed ;) ) |
| 14:25.26 | chem|st | ;) |
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| 14:26.21 | derf | It's not much of an issue for me, either. |
| 14:26.43 | derf | If you drop the resolution enough, the pictures are tolerably decent. |
| 14:27.16 | chem|st | so must be sitting at his mailprogram waiting for tmo post reports... an 30seconds old spam report was already taken care of... |
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| 14:28.42 | chem|st | derf: it is a handheld so it is for snapshots... for photography I use a fullsize dslr nothing else... |
| 14:29.03 | chem|st | in between is a 10MP quickcam... |
| 14:29.39 | jonwil | Where would be a good place to stick my notes on reverse engineering the telephony stack for CBSMS purposes (so others who may have skills can help me fill in the blanks)? |
| 14:29.50 | Ex-Opesa | I am reflashing the n900 with flasher 3.5, however the flasher's status is "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." |
| 14:29.53 | yacc | So will there be harmattan for the N900? |
| 14:29.53 | MohammadAG | chem|st, I saw both posts, not fast enough! |
| 14:29.57 | lardman | jonwil: Maemo wiki |
| 14:30.01 | MohammadAG | Harmattan? no |
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| 14:30.07 | chem|st | both? |
| 14:30.13 | MohammadAG | MeeGo, it's already out as a developers' build |
| 14:30.31 | jonwil | Where on the wiki?> |
| 14:30.41 | yacc | MohammadAG, well, isn't that fragmenting a little bit the Finnish mobile world? |
| 14:31.05 | MohammadAG | huh? |
| 14:31.30 | chem|st | Ex-Opesa: take out the battery remove all cables, put in the battery attach usb after backcover is back on (just in case) |
| 14:31.45 | Ex-Opesa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:32.16 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: see |
| 14:32.21 | Venemo_N900 | ~flashing |
| 14:32.21 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:32.56 | jonwil | Where on the wiki should I put these reverse engineering notes? |
| 14:33.46 | Venemo_N900 | jonwil: you may open your own page if you wanna |
| 14:33.55 | Venemo_N900 | jonwil: what notes are those? |
| 14:34.26 | jonwil | I am posting notes based on my reverse engineering of the telephony stack (in order to be able to write CBSMS support) |
| 14:34.35 | jonwil | so that other people can help me fill in the blanks |
| 14:34.53 | Venemo_N900 | jonwil: well then open a new wiki page |
| 14:34.59 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: I am already reading that webpage. I did everything through that only. My question is if "Suitable USB device not found, waiting" is normal or not and if the process is going on or not. |
| 14:35.45 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: it is normal _before_ you plug in the N900. after you plugged it in, a progress display should appear |
| 14:36.46 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: Ah I see. =) |
| 14:36.54 | yacc | MohammadAG, well, MeeGo, Maemo and S60^3? |
| 14:37.55 | yacc | MohammadAG, pundits already complain about different Android as "fragmentation", so what do you call that? |
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| 14:38.41 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: you forgot S40 |
| 14:38.51 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: Its still the same. I don't know why the process is not going on further.. |
| 14:39.10 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: what os do you use? |
| 14:39.35 | Ex-Opesa | I got windows 7. |
| 14:39.43 | yacc | Venemo_N900, well, not nobody really claims that S40 is a "smartphone" OS. |
| 14:39.54 | Ex-Opesa | Is that the problem? I see some issues with 64 bit on that wiki page. |
| 14:39.56 | korhojoa | even my friend realizes that it's not a smartphone os |
| 14:40.01 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: it's not for smartphones, but it's there. |
| 14:40.06 | korhojoa | he's got that c3 thing |
| 14:40.11 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: people are having problems with 64-bit windows. |
| 14:40.32 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: it never worked on my laptop when I run 64-bit win7 |
| 14:40.32 | lcuk | Venemo_N900, http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Community_Builder/ITP#P |
| 14:40.38 | yacc | Venemo_N900, OTOH, Nokia had this tradition of splintering their OSes, if you remember, they managed also to have a S80 Symbian variant for the Communicators. |
| 14:41.26 | korhojoa | Venemo_N900, actually, it works now |
| 14:41.37 | korhojoa | the communicators were pretty nice actually |
| 14:41.42 | Venemo_N900 | hey thank you lcuk :) |
| 14:41.55 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: I will restart my PC now. |
| 14:42.07 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: yeah. fortunately they abandoned s80 and s70 |
| 14:42.16 | korhojoa | what was wrong with s80? |
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| 14:42.21 | korhojoa | i kind of enjoyed it |
| 14:42.23 | yacc | S70? |
| 14:42.29 | korhojoa | the always-accessible menu was handy |
| 14:42.47 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: wiki(pedia) is your (girl)friend |
| 14:42.51 | yacc | korhojoa, yeah, but it was frustrating that the amount of 3rd party apps was slightly lower than for S60. |
| 14:43.02 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: Disabled driver checking via command line in Win7, now PC will reboot. Thanks! |
| 14:43.18 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: hmm |
| 14:43.25 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: it didn't work for me that way either |
| 14:43.52 | Venemo_N900 | lcuk: I shall give you a more recent version |
| 14:44.03 | Venemo_N900 | lcuk: is there an accelerometer in the idea pad? |
| 14:44.04 | korhojoa | yacc, well, didn't really matter, seeing as many 3rd party apps for s60 were pure ass |
| 14:44.12 | korhojoa | and almost all of the ones for s80 were good software |
| 14:44.18 | lcuk | Venemo_N900, yes |
| 14:44.28 | yacc | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S70 <= does not mention Symbian or Nokia, ... |
| 14:44.34 | Venemo_N900 | lcuk: does it cooperate with Qt Mobility? |
| 14:45.03 | lcuk | Venemo_N900, I don't know :) perhaps you could have a dig around and see |
| 14:46.26 | lardman | eats bacon roll, mmmmm |
| 14:46.38 | lcuk | grabs half of the bacon butty |
| 14:46.52 | lardman | ]oi! |
| 14:47.04 | lcuk | :P |
| 14:47.13 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: sorry, I mistakenly confused it with S90 |
| 14:47.24 | Venemo_N900 | lcuk: okay. |
| 14:47.58 | Venemo_N900 | byebye then, I'll rejoin you from my laptop |
| 14:47.58 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: Indeed it didn't work. |
| 14:48.02 | yacc | S90 rings a bell, but I have trouble to figure out what used it, ... |
| 14:48.27 | Venemo_N900 | yacc: wikipedia Nokia 7700 |
| 14:48.38 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: i recommend you to try a Linux live cd |
| 14:50.27 | fenrir | wtf.. "simcard missing" |
| 14:50.45 | fenrir | GG nokia |
| 14:50.49 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: I got Ubuntu 8.04 lying around somewhere. ^^ Lets see.. |
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| 14:52.10 | Venemo_N900 | Ex-Opesa: it is supposed to work on it |
| 14:52.20 | lardman | passes lcuk some tomato sauce for his stolen half baguette ;) |
| 14:52.35 | lcuk | awesome, thanks lardman that will help wash it down |
| 14:52.40 | lardman | hmm |
| 14:52.44 | lcuk | slides over a beer as a peace offering |
| 14:52.49 | lardman | mmmmm, sounds good |
| 14:52.52 | lardman | :) |
| 14:52.52 | lcuk | i nearly wrote bear then |
| 14:53.22 | lardman | that would have stopped the feud too ;) |
| 14:53.32 | lcuk | haha |
| 14:53.40 | lardman | wonders if that's the correct spelling... |
| 14:54.35 | yacc | Wonder what makes one develop a phone, sell it for a couple of days and withdraw it then, *scratch-head* |
| 14:55.17 | lcuk | i filed first feature request for meego today :) |
| 14:55.21 | lcuk | https://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=12678 enh, Undecided, ---, gavin.hindman, NEW, [FEA] BT DUN and Wifi Ad-hoc Missing from ConnMan |
| 14:55.23 | povbot | Bug 12678: was not found. |
| 14:55.33 | lcuk | if it can get done, meego netbook and n900 should connect better |
| 14:55.34 | Jartza | S90 was a complete disaster :) |
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| 14:56.52 | Jartza | it could've been nice for it's time, but the code quality was too bad |
| 15:01.02 | yacc | Well, the BT DUN support for N900 is somehow broken btw, Archos can tether with a yesss SIM card in an S40 device, but fails on the N900. Does not matter that much for a number of reasons but still. |
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| 15:02.31 | lcuk | yacc, its even more limited from meego pov since well it cannot dealio with most phones |
| 15:03.29 | yacc | you mean trying to make a meego device to dial in using a phone? |
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| 15:04.44 | lcuk | yacc, using a meego netbook to tether using bt dun, or via other wifi adhoc does not work |
| 15:05.26 | lcuk | and has been an open bug there since moblin days |
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| 15:09.33 | yacc | lcuk, I wonder why they designed to go from Maemo which works rather okay to MeeGo and postpone market introduction by at least a year? |
| 15:10.34 | lcuk | yacc, maemo is device restricted and introspective, meego - the opposite there are porting efforts and collaborative works to run meego on a huge expanse of various kinds of devices |
| 15:10.35 | SpeedEvil | because someone told the manager in question that meego would be easy |
| 15:12.04 | yacc | lcuk, yeah, but makeing Maemo run on different hardware could have been an incremental development, which IMHO is much better controllable than this "let's drop it and start fresh", ... |
| 15:12.27 | SpeedEvil | Especially for nokia designed hardware. |
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| 15:12.51 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - maybe n900 sales are holding up? |
| 15:13.14 | yacc | SpeedEvil, yeah, and managers don't have to know the subject matter, they just "manage", hence a good manager for dairy produce will also make a good manager for embedded software development ;) |
| 15:13.22 | lcuk | yacc who says drop everything? |
| 15:13.30 | lcuk | for instance, just this week: http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2011/01/17/gtk-meego-handset-bidders-selected/ |
| 15:14.56 | yacc | lcuk, well, it communicates this way. And going from a Debian derived distribution to a scratch new one is not dropping everything, but certainly sounds similar. |
| 15:15.02 | lcuk | and I was playing an excellent maemo game on my meego ideapad just a few weeks ago :) |
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| 15:16.16 | lcuk | anyway time to vanish for the day |
| 15:16.25 | MohammadAG | can't povbot be made to differentiate between meego.com and maemo.org for bugs? |
| 15:16.27 | noobmonk3y | aghhhhh just the man i need lcuky! |
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| 15:16.39 | MohammadAG | oh you're alive too! |
| 15:16.42 | lcuk | noobmonk3y, >>> #meego |
| 15:16.49 | noobmonk3y | lcuk: whats the terminal command to bring up the qt version on maemo? |
| 15:16.58 | MohammadAG | sh: >>>: syntax error |
| 15:16.59 | lcuk | idk |
| 15:17.08 | noobmonk3y | poo |
| 15:17.10 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: ? :) |
| 15:17.14 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l libqt4-core? |
| 15:17.24 | MohammadAG | I just string the libs hehe |
| 15:18.05 | noobmonk3y | meh, no matching packages |
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| 15:18.21 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 15:18.23 | noobmonk3y | but i can't type lol |
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| 15:18.49 | MohammadAG | ii libqt4-core 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 Qt 4 core module |
| 15:19.12 | noobmonk3y | w00p worked fine |
| 15:19.12 | noobmonk3y | ty |
| 15:19.46 | MohammadAG | you should've learned this stuff by now noobmonk3y ;) |
| 15:25.26 | Ex-Opesa | Venemo_N900: Thanks! It works. :) |
| 15:25.45 | Ex-Opesa | Also MohammadAG, azakAllah :) |
| 15:25.49 | Ex-Opesa | jazakallah* |
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| 15:29.09 | Venemo | hey |
| 15:29.12 | Venemo | is back+ |
| 15:29.26 | Venemo | lcuk: I've created a gitorious repo, committing now |
| 15:29.45 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 15:29.51 | Venemo | and I have 449 MB of OS updates :D |
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| 15:32.58 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:33.10 | jonwil | Thats the notes on the functions relavent to the CVB |
| 15:33.12 | jonwil | CBSMS work |
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| 15:33.18 | yacc | noobmonk3y, actually it's dpkg -l packagespec | grep ^i <= dpkg shows also uninstalled packages that it knows about |
| 15:33.44 | jonwil | Still a lot of unknowns |
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| 15:36.28 | eichi | if i charge my n900 from usb (laptop) is should be more low-current then with the power plug..isn't it? |
| 15:37.01 | Venemo | eichi: I think so |
| 15:37.11 | eichi | because there is no extra voltage converter |
| 15:37.49 | eichi | vom 230V (germany) to something "very low" |
| 15:37.53 | eichi | *from |
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| 15:38.36 | kerio | you sound confused |
| 15:38.51 | kerio | but the reason is that usb provides .5A at most |
| 15:38.58 | kerio | the wallcharger gives 1.1A |
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| 15:39.04 | GAN900 | chuckles at Engadget. |
| 15:39.38 | kerio | GAN900: ? |
| 15:39.51 | GAN900 | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/20/nokia-n9-to-bust-loose-with-meego-on-moorestown-power/ |
| 15:39.58 | jonwil | Lets hope someone can help me fill in the blanks in my reverse engineering so that I can attempt to write a CBSMS plugin for CSD |
| 15:40.02 | anidel | it's absurd :) |
| 15:40.12 | eichi | kerio: dont know, i thought, voltage transfer costs much power |
| 15:40.12 | anidel | I guess it's time to stop reading or caring about what they write... |
| 15:40.24 | jonwil | Intel has wanted to put an x86 chip in a cellphone for ages |
| 15:40.34 | lardman | jonwil: did you have a look at that Python plugin I flagged? |
| 15:40.41 | kerio | eichi: ¿que? |
| 15:40.53 | eichi | kerio: ? |
| 15:40.53 | jonwil | I cant get idapython working |
| 15:40.53 | SpeedEvil | Intel CPUs have been in cellphones before. |
| 15:41.06 | lardman | jonwil: problem with free IDA? |
| 15:41.07 | SpeedEvil | (though not, admittedly x86) |
| 15:41.19 | jonwil | no, problem with idapython |
| 15:41.23 | lardman | ok |
| 15:41.38 | jonwil | and not being able to find a suitable working copy of python |
| 15:41.47 | lardman | just that I need to reverse engineer the Samsung init this evening, so was hoping to use aqualung |
| 15:41.56 | RST38h | GAN: An Atom in your phone! Imagine that! |
| 15:42.36 | GAN900 | anidel, the number of weird rumors cropping up does lend some credence to claims of multiple devices, though. |
| 15:42.45 | lardman | with just the one the quantum "did I send that message while drunk or did I not" will be easier to predict |
| 15:43.00 | lardman | as long as you know the temperature of your phone |
| 15:43.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG: here is what I love in the RPM format |
| 15:43.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG: "Presto reduced the update size by 88% (from 436 M to 56 M)." |
| 15:43.30 | anidel | GAN900: true, but why should I care about a rumor (true or false) anyway? |
| 15:43.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo, deb compresses too :p |
| 15:43.54 | Venemo | anidel: the best reaction I've seen so far |
| 15:43.59 | Venemo | MohammadAG: this is not compression |
| 15:44.02 | jonwil | A lot of the reverse engineering work I did was done by reverse engineering the x86 versions of various binaries |
| 15:44.08 | Venemo | MohammadAG: this is delta download |
| 15:44.28 | Venemo | MohammadAG: comression is another thing :) |
| 15:44.52 | lardman | jonwil: ok np |
| 15:50.36 | noobmonk3y | blinks |
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| 16:02.10 | frals | trouts noobmonk3y |
| 16:02.27 | noobmonk3y | salmons frals |
| 16:02.45 | MohammadAG | yawns |
| 16:02.58 | korhojoa_ | :D |
| 16:03.05 | lcuk | frals, :| i mistook your trout for a herring |
| 16:03.13 | korhojoa_ | strokes his bag |
| 16:03.28 | MohammadAG | wtfs |
| 16:03.30 | korhojoa_ | "that's my bag, baby" |
| 16:03.54 | korhojoa_ | also, i'm testing the current draw of my n900 with everything on. |
| 16:04.02 | andre__ | fishy. |
| 16:04.10 | korhojoa_ | how do i get the fmtx working at the same time as the fmrx? |
| 16:04.12 | MohammadAG | does that involve you being on it? |
| 16:04.34 | MohammadAG | fmtx_client -p1? |
| 16:04.47 | frals | i dont think my ears are compatible with the noise cancellation on the bh 905i |
| 16:04.52 | frals | terrible headache after using them all day |
| 16:05.03 | frals | ... might just be for some normal reason thou |
| 16:05.14 | MohammadAG | feel free to pass them over :p |
| 16:05.24 | MohammadAG | how much did they cost you? I never checked prices on the i model |
| 16:05.32 | frals | uh |
| 16:05.39 | frals | they are about 250e in .se atleast |
| 16:05.47 | MohammadAG | euros? |
| 16:05.50 | frals | ye |
| 16:05.51 | korhojoa_ | MohammadAG: does not involve me on it |
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| 16:06.00 | korhojoa_ | urgh, expensive |
| 16:06.07 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 16:06.13 | MohammadAG | would be 500 here :p |
| 16:06.19 | frals | they are excellent at cancelling out office chatter thou |
| 16:06.23 | korhojoa_ | i saw them for sale at verkkokauppa for 99e or something |
| 16:06.38 | MohammadAG | frals, http://www.amazon.com/Sennheiser-HD800-Premier-Headphone/dp/B001OTZ8DA :p |
| 16:06.50 | MohammadAG | 905i? |
| 16:06.54 | MohammadAG | notice the i |
| 16:07.07 | korhojoa_ | i think so |
| 16:07.12 | korhojoa_ | some discount bin |
| 16:07.31 | MohammadAG | discount on a new headset? |
| 16:07.34 | MohammadAG | sounds weird :P |
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| 16:07.46 | korhojoa_ | usually means that the customer has returned it because it didn't work with their phone or something |
| 16:07.59 | MohammadAG | frals, would it cancel out noise at a construction site? |
| 16:08.06 | MohammadAG | just wondering how active this ANC is |
| 16:08.16 | frals | 238.90⬠at verkkokauppa korhojoa_ |
| 16:08.27 | frals | dunno MohammadAG havent tried them outside yet |
| 16:08.32 | korhojoa_ | frals: i know, discount bin != retail |
| 16:08.47 | frals | they kinda failed at drowning out my keyboard typing until i raised the volume ;D |
| 16:09.00 | frals | but voices its scary good at |
| 16:09.14 | frals | discount bin = someone had a wank on them and then returned them |
| 16:09.16 | korhojoa_ | how does it do that? dual microphones? |
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| 16:09.23 | korhojoa_ | frals: entirely possible |
| 16:09.25 | frals | 8 microphones it says on the box |
| 16:09.27 | MohammadAG | octa I think |
| 16:09.32 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 16:09.32 | korhojoa_ | but a little isopropanol fixes it |
| 16:09.35 | korhojoa_ | whoa |
| 16:09.41 | MohammadAG | 2 for calls afaik |
| 16:09.42 | korhojoa_ | that's... insane |
| 16:10.19 | MohammadAG | nah |
| 16:10.20 | MohammadAG | it's very practical |
| 16:10.23 | MohammadAG | 8 microphones... |
| 16:11.04 | korhojoa_ | "now, record your phone calls in 7.1 sound!" |
| 16:11.19 | korhojoa_ | DTS-HD for everyone! |
| 16:12.23 | korhojoa_ | actually... a compass could handle that... 7-channels would be interpolated according to the compass reading, etc. |
| 16:13.10 | korhojoa_ | MohammadAG: also, trying to enable the fmtx when the fmrx is on causes the fmrx to turn off |
| 16:13.30 | korhojoa_ | actually, it works for like a second or two, then it goes silent |
| 16:14.10 | Venemo | MohammadAG: do you speak wikilanguage? |
| 16:15.22 | MohammadAG | thinking of starting a new rumor about the N9; it doesn't have an ARM nor an atom, it has an i7 |
| 16:15.34 | korhojoa_ | hahaha |
| 16:15.36 | achipa | i9 !!! |
| 16:15.43 | MohammadAG | Venemo, [citation needed] |
| 16:16.01 | korhojoa_ | elv i7 with ion 3 |
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| 16:16.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG: no, it has a quadcore Xeon |
| 16:17.09 | MohammadAG | there you have it, achipa confirms it |
| 16:17.17 | MohammadAG | it's an i9 |
| 16:17.34 | MohammadAG | start the press! |
| 16:17.46 | achipa | tweet engadget ! |
| 16:18.01 | Venemo | MohammadAG: no! I have a contact at Nokia and he said it's gonna be a quadcore Xeon. |
| 16:18.22 | MohammadAG | Venemo, achipa has *nokia* in his hostmask :p |
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| 16:18.30 | kerio | a *dual* quadcore xeon |
| 16:18.42 | Venemo | YES, kerio is right! |
| 16:18.55 | kerio | and of course a nuclear battery to power it |
| 16:18.58 | Venemo | kerio: don't forget the dual quadcore DSP either |
| 16:19.02 | MohammadAG | achipa, 5.9" screen right? |
| 16:19.02 | MohammadAG | full HD of course |
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| 16:19.17 | kerio | two screens |
| 16:19.18 | kerio | on both sides |
| 16:19.27 | Venemo | it is a foldable 22.5" screen. |
| 16:19.30 | kerio | which support glassless 3d |
| 16:19.37 | Venemo | and a holoprojector |
| 16:19.39 | anidel | Venemo: Funny that I am being used as a rumour source myself! Someone on twitter: "Not true then! â» @anidel: omfg, stop it. The N9 does not have an Intel Atom processor." |
| 16:19.43 | kerio | Venemo: of course |
| 16:19.56 | Venemo | anidel: lol :D |
| 16:19.56 | jonwil | Looks like libsms.so will have to be reverse engineered to figure out whats going on with cbsms |
| 16:20.02 | kerio | wait, you mean *two* right? |
| 16:20.12 | Venemo | kerio: yes |
| 16:20.25 | yacc | Sigh, why does the N900 crash when I pull it into my LAN via a bridge on usb0, and is relatively stable when I go along with the 192.168.2 subnet? *scratch-head* |
| 16:20.50 | anidel | Venemo: and I was only retweeting SimonLR tweet.. eheh |
| 16:20.59 | Venemo | :D |
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| 16:22.20 | MohammadAG | <kerio> and of course a nuclear battery to power it |
| 16:22.26 | MohammadAG | does that mean I'm not allowed to own one? |
| 16:22.52 | kerio | nuclear *fusion* |
| 16:22.53 | kerio | not fission |
| 16:22.56 | kerio | duh |
| 16:23.01 | rcg1 | at least you would not be allowed to run java on it |
| 16:23.08 | rcg1 | scnr |
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| 16:24.02 | Venemo | MohammadAG: the israeli government already knows that you wanna blow 'em up, sorry. |
| 16:25.40 | MohammadAG | naw |
| 16:25.42 | MohammadAG | :'( |
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| 16:49.12 | trumee | yacc, wild guess. there was a matans patch to iphb? or something regarding NAT and reboot issues |
| 16:49.34 | trumee | yacc, power kernel has that patch. |
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| 16:58.54 | newbie007 | greetings, I have a n900. Using the internet radio feature, I sometimes get disconnected - is there a way to automatically reconnect? |
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| 17:04.58 | ShadowJK | I wish :( |
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| 17:08.20 | MohammadAG | reminds ShadowJK of FOSS mediaplayer |
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| 17:09.01 | ShadowJK | I wonder if it's a bug in the media player or in mafw or in gstreamer |
| 17:09.39 | MohammadAG | second two are open, first one's being rewritten, why worry about it :p |
| 17:11.30 | ShadowJK | in tcpdump it looks like n900 side closes the connection, but I'm not sure why |
| 17:11.35 | newbie007 | vlc would be nice |
| 17:11.57 | ShadowJK | and it happens more often i high-jitter latency environments |
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| 17:12.07 | newbie007 | I assume the disconnect is a wireless bad connection on my end |
| 17:12.16 | newbie007 | sometimes it works great |
| 17:12.17 | ShadowJK | but still, n900 initiates the teardown of the tcp session.. |
| 17:12.43 | Venemo | lcuk, thank you for your assistance :) |
| 17:12.49 | ShadowJK | i bet it's something silly |
| 17:13.06 | ShadowJK | like EAGAIN getting treated as an error condition |
| 17:13.06 | Venemo | I'm going to play an insane amount of SC2 now that my exams are over |
| 17:13.10 | Venemo | bye guys :) |
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| 17:26.22 | fenrir | settings -> text input ? |
| 17:28.31 | Gyjf | dont have that |
| 17:29.20 | Gyjf | ah found it |
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| 18:06.09 | voldern | Hi. I've made /dev/mmcblk0p1 into a truecrypt volum that I mount everytime i reboot the device. Inside this partition I've moved my users folder and I'm mounting it to the right path using --bind. Inside the truecrypt volume I've also got an image file that is vfat partitioned and that I mount to /home/user/MyDocs. The problem is that the image partition won't show up when i plug the device into USB and use mass-storage mode |
| 18:06.41 | voldern | I've check using lsof that nothing is holding the file, preventing it from getting unmounted |
| 18:06.54 | voldern | It's mounted like this: /dev/loop1 on /mnt/crypt/user/MyDocs type vfat (noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fsk=0133,rodir) |
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| 18:11.20 | korhojoa | voldern, i think that's because over usb, it mounts the emmc directly or something? |
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| 18:12.10 | voldern | korhojoa: Hmm, that could be. Is the partition that it mounts over usb specified somewhere that you know about? |
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| 18:12.37 | ShadowJK | Yeah the usb-mass-storage script tries to offer mmcblk0p1 over usb (after trying to umount it first) |
| 18:12.51 | korhojoa | ShadowJK, that's what i expected |
| 18:13.14 | korhojoa | voldern, well, try mounting what's shown to you with truecrypt? |
| 18:13.45 | ShadowJK | i think it's even called usb-massstorage.sh or something like that |
| 18:13.53 | korhojoa | massstorage? |
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| 18:15.36 | voldern | think i found the files: /usr/sbin/osso-usb-mass-storage*.sh |
| 18:15.44 | voldern | thnx guys :) |
| 18:15.48 | korhojoa | no prahblem |
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| 18:19.06 | MohammadAG | ke-recv sends the mmcblk0p1 part afaik |
| 18:24.03 | ds3 | 7 |
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| 18:28.45 | RST38h | moo? |
| 18:31.46 | voldern | MohammadAG: Yeah, looks like. I'll have to digg into the source of it sometime to find out how to fix it |
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| 18:32.31 | MohammadAG | what's broken in it? |
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| 18:34.58 | voldern | MohammadAG: I need it to mount/umount MyDocs from another partition then /dev/mmcblk0p1 in a way that also works with usb mass-storage |
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| 18:37.55 | ShadowJK | in Nokia-MeeGo-(Harmattan?) there'll allegedly be encryption ;p |
| 18:38.31 | ShadowJK | but only with the DRM enabled, with the official kernel, and incompatible with truecrypt and other solutions presumably :) |
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| 18:46.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/The_Quick_Competition_2011Q1 |
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| 18:47.44 | MohammadAG | you app MUST work on a Symbian^3 device <-- what if I don't have a S^3 device to test lol |
| 18:48.54 | Trestry | Does anyone know where to get standard maemo apps like mount? |
| 18:50.48 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 18:50.49 | MohammadAG | mount is part of busybox |
| 18:52.42 | Trestry | I've installed the sdk version, with dpkg -i --force- |
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| 18:56.05 | RST38h | Mohammad: N. Thou shalt not participate in rat races. |
| 19:04.17 | perolsen | is it possible to create a image for emmc (/dev/mmcblk0) with several partitions which can be flashed with flasher? Does the flasher just write the image to the emmc like "dd" would (including partition table)? |
| 19:04.25 | Trestry | Reinstalled busybox and everything seems to be fine, thanks! |
| 19:06.36 | jacekowski | it does |
| 19:06.37 | jacekowski | sort of |
| 19:06.45 | jacekowski | perolsen: you can modify emmc image |
| 19:06.48 | jacekowski | perolsen: if you know how |
| 19:07.02 | perolsen | mount loop |
| 19:07.11 | perolsen | so how is it written+ |
| 19:08.03 | jacekowski | nope |
| 19:08.07 | jacekowski | look at the file |
| 19:08.10 | jacekowski | and you will see |
| 19:08.47 | perolsen | file says: fat. meaning it's a fat file system image |
| 19:09.07 | perolsen | including boot sector |
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| 19:10.23 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:12.58 | perolsen | so the image isn't a "disk" image, only the image of one partition. I'll try to add a partition table in the beginning |
| 19:14.00 | jacekowski | it is flasher special format |
| 19:14.17 | jacekowski | so file is wrong |
| 19:15.04 | jacekowski | open it with hex editor |
| 19:15.06 | jacekowski | and you will see |
| 19:15.35 | perolsen | it's the "mmc" file unpacked, right? |
| 19:15.56 | jacekowski | yes |
| 19:16.31 | jacekowski | but i'm not talking about this one |
| 19:16.35 | jacekowski | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 19:16.40 | jacekowski | i'm talking about this one |
| 19:17.10 | perolsen | :-) |
| 19:19.40 | perolsen | allright. Got it. prefix = mydocs, prefix = home, etc.. |
| 19:20.20 | perolsen | great that Nokia used a text block to define this |
| 19:21.40 | perolsen | thanks for the pointer |
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| 19:37.48 | nox- | moin |
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| 19:39.45 | ZogG | yo doggs |
| 19:40.14 | ZogG | MohammadAG, Jaffa DocScrutinizer crashanddie have you seen quitIM portrait keyboard? |
| 19:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | no |
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| 19:44.56 | chx | ZogG: you mean perhaps qutIM ? |
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| 19:48.29 | ZogG | chx exactly |
| 19:49.01 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer looks pretty good, the question how is it possible to integrate into ukeyboard for portrait mode |
| 19:49.29 | ZogG | http://habrastorage.org/storage/5bf803a4/ee0c23fa/e4073d5c/83ce16ca.png |
| 19:49.38 | Jaffa | ZogG: No |
| 19:49.42 | Jaffa | (not seen) |
| 19:50.12 | ZogG | ^ |
| 19:51.30 | RST38h | OMG a portrait keyboard!!! |
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| 19:52.44 | D-Iivil | _o/ |
| 19:53.07 | D-Iivil | What's up here? |
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| 19:56.00 | ZogG | RST38h it looks good =( don't laught at me =( |
| 19:56.48 | RST38h | OMG kittens!!! |
| 19:57.05 | ZogG | ~nuke RST38h |
| 19:57.05 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at RST38h ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
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| 20:06.04 | chx | why is a portrait keyboard such a big deal? it's ... not a phsyical keyboard. |
| 20:07.57 | microlith | it can be used with a thumb |
| 20:08.46 | MohammadAG | achipa, should Qt fixes be in the SSU? |
| 20:08.58 | MohammadAG | I pushed a patch upstream today |
| 20:14.07 | achipa | MohammadAG: define Qt fixes |
| 20:14.59 | achipa | if you mean the bearer and compat stuff, yes, as for upstream, that's trickier |
| 20:15.25 | achipa | we can of course build whatever we want, but I'm not so sure about the newer Qt versions |
| 20:16.09 | achipa | (as in, we should really check them as I have the feeling that after 4.7.0 not much regression testing has been done on the Maemo side - I might be wrong, tho) |
| 20:16.54 | MohammadAG | same 4.7 on maemo, with a patch applied |
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| 20:17.35 | MohammadAG | so shouldn't break compatibility and such |
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| 20:29.10 | eichi | does the sms widget counter work on someones n900? how to get output of a widget for debugging? |
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| 20:38.20 | eichi | if i do "remove conversations", are all sms and logs gone or just in this windows? my problem is, that my conversations widget dont shows only new one. it shows, that i have hundreds of conversations |
| 20:40.35 | andre__ | what is "dont shows only new one"? |
| 20:41.01 | andre__ | as far as I remember they are just removed from the view, but not deleted from the database. |
| 20:41.17 | eichi | okay, i will try |
| 20:41.34 | andre__ | whatever you mean by that.... |
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| 20:42.12 | eichi | pressing "remove conversation" and show, if log is there after that |
| 20:42.19 | eichi | backup before, i will see |
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| 20:46.02 | eichi | hm, seems to delete all the logs |
| 20:46.10 | ShadowJK | andre__, re bug 11798, I think supld/supllistenerd contains the thing that actually talks to servers.. |
| 20:46.11 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11798 agps no longer works due to server changes |
| 20:46.42 | andre__ | ShadowJK, feel free to add a comment, but I don't expect Nokia to really care anyway... |
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| 20:47.14 | ShadowJK | I notice supld comes with its own security certificates.. |
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| 20:47.32 | andre__ | hah. |
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| 20:48.16 | ShadowJK | It'd probably be pretty easy for someone familiar with debian packaging to make a tiny installable app to override all requests to that one remaining working server |
| 20:48.25 | ShadowJK | But then maybe that one goes away or stops working too :) |
| 20:48.37 | andre__ | "suddenly". ;-) |
| 20:49.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, titan needs to add both flags I mentioned |
| 20:49.14 | MohammadAG | that way, KP cannot be uninstalled from HAM |
| 20:49.25 | MohammadAG | I'm pretty sure that user got his device bricked cause of fapman |
| 20:49.36 | MohammadAG | fapman has apt-get autoremove ticked by default |
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| 20:50.38 | summel | :O i cant get the iSync plugin to work, but i know it did work before |
| 20:50.42 | MohammadAG | shouldn't worry about it, not our fault |
| 20:50.49 | summel | and i need it since the n900 does not support caldav -_- |
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| 20:52.36 | yacc | ShadowJK, so what's wrong by adding the agps server to /etc/hosts and pointing it to a working server? |
| 20:52.53 | summel | iSync always says "iSync cannot connect to this device." :( |
| 20:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I still think hostmode GUI should NOT rdepend on any kernel feature. We got runtime check for that, and basically hostmode GUI is installable and "works" (as in without segfault) even on stock kernel |
| 20:53.36 | ShadowJK | yacc, yeah someone with deb packaging skills could make a deb that does "echo working.server.ip supld.nokia.com >>/etc/hosts" on install, and sed remove it on uninstall, as a bugfix .deb :P |
| 20:54.13 | yacc | ShadowJK, well, if you worry that it will overload the remaining servers make the people do it manually ;) |
| 20:54.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, with the current community, that = more posts about "Incompatible kernel, I reflashed and it didn't work!!1" |
| 20:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | ehh? |
| 20:55.31 | MohammadAG | we'll have more problems with users asking why it doesn't work as is |
| 20:55.42 | DocScrutinizer | GUI is clearly stating "found incompatible kernel API! you are supposed to install power-kernel" |
| 20:55.50 | yacc | MohammadAG, are you complaining that there are a couple of users that cannot configure a network interface with ifconfig or ip commands? |
| 20:56.01 | MohammadAG | we could supply a .install file... |
| 20:56.03 | MohammadAG | yacc, uh, no |
| 20:56.18 | yacc | MohammadAG, as in Linux oldtimers? |
| 20:56.19 | ShadowJK | No I worry that since the last working server seems to be in the US, and nokia has a general tendency of forgetting that the US exists, they might just have forgotten to upgrade that server, and will upgrade it eventually and stuff goes back to not working. I thought that since Nokia has been talking about Location for a couple of years now, they might wanna know when they break things, so that they can eventually get away from that general user perceptio |
| 20:56.25 | ShadowJK | n that GPS doesn't work reliably on Nokias :P a heads-up :P |
| 20:56.36 | MohammadAG | yacc, no, I mean Symbian old timers |
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| 20:57.30 | eichi | its a strange conversations concept, it conversations only show the "active ones" and if you delete it, there is no log anymore |
| 20:57.35 | yacc | MohammadAG, Yeah, Symbian old timers might have a good overlap with people that cannot configure an interface manually, or explain the relationship of ip address netmask and broadcast address ;) |
| 20:57.38 | eichi | *if |
| 20:58.02 | yacc | ShadowJK, well, agps seems to work reliably enough here in Austria. |
| 20:58.23 | ShadowJK | It's apaprently geodns based now, so it depends on where you are whether you get a working server or not |
| 20:59.25 | yacc | ShadowJK, well, this bug applies only to N810, right= |
| 20:59.46 | ShadowJK | It doesn't affect N900, no |
| 20:59.51 | yacc | Because the IP address that is mentioned in the ticket is where I'm resolving the address too, and the server works well enough for me. |
| 21:00.20 | ShadowJK | I haven't tested my symbian devices, but the troubleshooting features on symbian are nonexisting anyway |
| 21:00.30 | yacc | ShadowJK, is the protocol these servers talk documented? |
| 21:00.45 | yacc | ShadowJK, lol, almost as bad as on an unrooted Android |
| 21:01.04 | ShadowJK | I don't know, but it starts with SSL/TLS anyway... |
| 21:01.20 | yacc | ShadowJK, is the binary statically linked? |
| 21:01.34 | ShadowJK | i don't think so |
| 21:02.15 | yacc | LD_PRELOAD with a library that happens to define SSL_write and SSL_read is your friend then, ... |
| 21:02.37 | ShadowJK | I think modifying /etc/hosts is my friends |
| 21:02.54 | yacc | ShadowJK, if you want to fix it by pointing to a working server yes. |
| 21:03.03 | ShadowJK | and other users will continue powercycling their devices hoping to get it to work before getting out their TomTom again :P |
| 21:03.12 | yacc | ShadowJK, if you want to intercept the traffic, LD_PRELOAD allows you to see the clear text. |
| 21:04.01 | yacc | Wonder if there is an app to export the N900 keyboard as a bluetooth HID device to another host? |
| 21:04.24 | yacc | There seems to be an app that allows the N900 to be used a freehand speaker for other phones, ... |
| 21:05.05 | auenf | bluemaemo? |
| 21:05.20 | summel | :S is there a way to add a shortcut to a website to the desktop without having a giant screenshot of it there? i want just the favicon or something :/ |
| 21:06.59 | MrBawb | oh hey, bluemaemo is something I've been looking for |
| 21:09.10 | yacc | Wow, that's a really crazy thing, abusing the N900 as a keyboard for the Archos, ... |
| 21:09.40 | yacc | Now I just need to get BT PAN to work on the N900 and I don't need to carry that 6288 around with me as Archos tethering device, ... |
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| 21:10.08 | MrBawb | yacc: where are you stuck with bt pan? |
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| 21:10.52 | yacc | MrBawb, well, I have no place to hook into so something (like a script that starts dnsmasq on the interface) gets run when bnep0 shows up. |
| 21:11.09 | nid0 | summel: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=703801&postcount=36 |
| 21:11.13 | MrBawb | yacc: you can do that with dbus-scripts |
| 21:11.23 | yacc | MrBawb, how? |
| 21:11.58 | summel | nid0: no |
| 21:12.05 | summel | i dont want to change the icon size |
| 21:12.21 | summel | i want to change the size of the shortcut to a website on the desktop |
| 21:12.26 | summel | or replace it with an icon |
| 21:12.31 | summel | because its a webapp |
| 21:12.38 | summel | and i dont want a huge screenshot there |
| 21:12.44 | summel | :D |
| 21:12.49 | MrBawb | yacc: org.freedesktop.Hal.Manager DeviceAdded /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/net_x_x_x_x |
| 21:12.58 | MrBawb | where the x_x_x's are the mac from "hcitool dev" |
| 21:13.45 | yacc | Nice idea, that leaves the question of how to setup dnsmasq correctly so it can handle a new interface showing up correctly, but that's a more common case thing. |
| 21:13.50 | MrBawb | yacc: http://dan.drown.org/pan/ < what I use to share 3g |
| 21:13.57 | MrBawb | but it's geared for ipv6 3g |
| 21:14.06 | yacc | MrBawb, /etc/network/interfaces gets ignored completely :( |
| 21:14.11 | MrBawb | yeah |
| 21:14.26 | MrBawb | I think that was all disabled to use icd |
| 21:15.38 | yacc | MrBawb, well it works for usb0 which is a completely dynamic device too. |
| 21:15.57 | MrBawb | ah |
| 21:16.01 | MrBawb | I wonder whats different then |
| 21:16.09 | yacc | Anyway, does a stock N900 run dnsmasq or do I have "collected" it from some 3rd party deb? |
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| 21:16.31 | MrBawb | the n900 includes dnsmasq and runs it by default as a local dns cache |
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| 21:16.46 | MrBawb | you can run another copy to have it be a dhcp server |
| 21:16.51 | yacc | MrBawb, googling around I seem to remember that I've seen some old bug reports mentioning a similar behaviour, ... |
| 21:16.59 | MrBawb | (the script on my site runs dnscache) |
| 21:17.28 | yacc | MrBawb, nope: /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -i $INTERFACE \ |
| 21:17.40 | MrBawb | heh |
| 21:17.44 | MrBawb | I said dnscache and ment dnsmasq |
| 21:18.32 | yacc | extras-devel has no package radvd? |
| 21:18.39 | MrBawb | nope |
| 21:18.49 | MrBawb | I have a copy built |
| 21:19.19 | MrBawb | http://code.google.com/p/n900ipv6/downloads/list |
| 21:19.28 | yacc | So it's a ipv6 specific thing, right? |
| 21:19.34 | yacc | ;) |
| 21:19.36 | MrBawb | radvd is only needed for ipv6 |
| 21:19.52 | MrBawb | it's for ipv6 autoconfiguration |
| 21:19.55 | yacc | of no interest, considering the level of connectivity one gets here while mobile, ... |
| 21:20.16 | MrBawb | only useful if you have an ipv6 3g connection |
| 21:20.39 | nid0 | summel: im not sure I get you, you just want the screenshot replaced with a favicon or something, but with the icon itself just as giant as it currently is? |
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| 21:20.47 | yacc | IPv4 NATed usually, with all kinds of transparent proxies (which even the 2nd level techs in the callcenter do not know about), blocked ports, ... |
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| 21:21.08 | nid0 | summel: if so, you can just write yourself a .desktop file with the link and icon you want |
| 21:21.23 | summel | nid0: no i also want it smaller but the "normal" shortcuts i want too keep the size they are |
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| 21:21.25 | summel | :o |
| 21:21.27 | summel | i try that |
| 21:21.36 | yacc | MrBawb, half a decade as a road warrier in a number of european countries made me see, well, almost any thinkable sickness, network wise :( |
| 21:21.56 | achipa | MohammadAG: back... anyway, if upstream accepts it, I have no qualm in having it in the CSSU, if they don't, well, then we need a bit more extensive testing but still might be acceptable (depends obviously on what exactly and how does it fix) |
| 21:21.57 | MrBawb | yacc: yeah, mobile providers seem to be the worst at that |
| 21:21.59 | yacc | nid0, which directory has the desktop files? |
| 21:22.25 | nid0 | /usr/share/applications/hildon afaik |
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| 21:22.31 | MohammadAG | achipa, it's a simple overlook by the Qt guys, the fix is like 3 lines |
| 21:22.34 | pahartik | MrBawb: I took "radvd" binary from Debian... It is useful with IPv6 tunnel and subnet on mobile network |
| 21:22.43 | yacc | MrBawb, yeah, the funny part is that at least from Orange AT I've even managed to get a highlevel tech callback after some weeks, because the guy wondered how I managed to even detect their proxy, ... |
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| 21:22.52 | MohammadAG | achipa, http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/merge_requests/5 |
| 21:22.53 | MrBawb | pahartik: yeah, that radvd is just the Debian package rebuilt |
| 21:23.07 | summel | but the iSync plugin still does not work ;_; |
| 21:23.14 | MohammadAG | notice the the theme vs theme-portrait |
| 21:23.28 | MohammadAG | without it, a segfault occurs on all applications |
| 21:23.31 | yacc | (stupid guy, svn uses some non-default http verbs. so if you want a transparent proxy, you need to allow all verbs to pass through without problems, ...) |
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| 21:24.45 | achipa | MohammadAG: yep, looks OK to me (I'm no authority tho), and not segfaulting can't be bad, right ? :) |
| 21:24.57 | yacc | nid0, even the user created ones? |
| 21:25.43 | MohammadAG | achipa, indeed, with this, I can flip control panel to portrait and still not break Qt applets |
| 21:25.53 | yacc | MrBawb, what exactly does pc-connectivity-manager provide? |
| 21:26.03 | nid0 | yacc: thats where you should put em, when I manually created a couple of links I just copied+renamed the ovi link in that folder and altered it |
| 21:27.42 | MohammadAG | achipa, do you have any idea if that repo is looked at btw? :) |
| 21:28.02 | MrBawb | yacc: it enables the PAN profile in bluez |
| 21:28.47 | MrBawb | it also adds a control panel, which talks about running dhcp on bluetooth |
| 21:28.50 | achipa | MohammadAG: doesn't seem so, last activity Nov 12 :( |
| 21:29.29 | MohammadAG | achipa, can you poke the right people? |
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| 21:29.54 | achipa | will do - if not, I'll at least get the correct repo |
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| 21:31.21 | yacc | MrBawb, ? |
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| 21:31.47 | yacc | MrBawb, seems like one can enable PAN without it, ... |
| 21:31.55 | MrBawb | yacc: that they can |
| 21:32.25 | MrBawb | but I figured it's probably easier for the random person to install pc-connectivity-manager rather than editing the bluez config file |
| 21:32.31 | yacc | MrBawb, because I'm getting a bnep0 device without having any deb matching pc-con* installed |
| 21:32.50 | yacc | MrBawb, spoilsport :-P |
| 21:32.54 | MrBawb | :) |
| 21:33.23 | yacc | MrBawb, you are killing the joy of playing an advanced text adventure game "configuring bluetooth on Linux". |
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| 21:33.36 | MrBawb | /etc/bluetooth/main.conf has "DisablePlugins = network" by default |
| 21:33.51 | yacc | MrBawb, I know, and you can remove that and bnep0 shows up :) |
| 21:34.03 | MohammadAG | misses the December days |
| 21:34.24 | MohammadAG | maemo had more hackers when I got the device |
| 21:34.37 | yacc | MrBawb, starting with a couple of different userland stacks over the years, crazy configuration not meant to be used by people not running anything but Gnome or KDE, ... |
| 21:35.53 | yacc | MrBawb, I mean this replacing the complete user stack from time to time, makes the game playable multiple times, with no danger to make it boring because you know from last time how to solve some riddles, ... |
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| 21:37.06 | makulkar | when i compile and copy a exe to device, and try to run it from device terminal, it says "file not found!" |
| 21:37.22 | yacc | makulkar, to which directory are you copying it? |
| 21:37.23 | MohammadAG | exe? |
| 21:37.35 | MohammadAG | as in - windows exe? |
| 21:37.52 | yacc | thinks about the fact that PATH by default has no . entry, ... |
| 21:37.56 | rm_work | maemo had a ton of hackers back when i started... when the newest thing was the n800, and the n810 was ABOUT to come out... |
| 21:38.08 | makulkar | MohammadAG, nope :) sample qt app |
| 21:38.18 | MohammadAG | using ./? |
| 21:38.18 | yacc | makulkar, compiled to ARM? |
| 21:38.26 | makulkar | MohammadAG, built in scratbox arm7 target |
| 21:38.40 | MohammadAG | I didn't ask that, yacc did :p |
| 21:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: use FQN to invoke your executable |
| 21:38.49 | MohammadAG | how are you running it |
| 21:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: or place it somewhere into $PATH |
| 21:39.18 | makulkar | MohammadAG, login to device, cd /usr/bin, ./exe |
| 21:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: chmod a+x <your_executable> |
| 21:39.28 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, did that |
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| 21:39.33 | MohammadAG | and it's in /usr/bin? |
| 21:39.54 | summel | nid0: it worked, ty <3 |
| 21:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's a x86 ELF? |
| 21:39.54 | makulkar | RM680-03-4_RD_001:/usr/bin# ./classwizard |
| 21:39.55 | makulkar | -sh: ./classwizard: not found |
| 21:39.55 | makulkar | RM680-03-4_RD_001:/usr/bin# |
| 21:40.05 | MohammadAG | file classwizard |
| 21:40.09 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, how do i check that? |
| 21:40.12 | MohammadAG | RM680? |
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| 21:40.13 | lardman|home | perhaps you chaps will know - could one start init from another process, so it won't have pid==1 and everything still work? |
| 21:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | RM&=??? :-o |
| 21:40.22 | javispedro | chuckles |
| 21:40.23 | makulkar | MohammadAG, thats the device name. |
| 21:40.24 | MohammadAG | so either the N9 exists |
| 21:40.27 | MrBawb | lardman|home: pid 1 is special |
| 21:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | rm680 even |
| 21:40.30 | MohammadAG | or someone's playing with /etc/hostname |
| 21:40.36 | lardman|home | MrBawb: I know |
| 21:40.46 | MohammadAG | nokia hostmask |
| 21:40.50 | MohammadAG | N9 confirmed |
| 21:40.50 | lardman|home | MrBawb: But does it matter? |
| 21:40.52 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 21:40.55 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 21:40.58 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: file <FQN-of-binary> |
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| 21:41.01 | MohammadAG | makulkar, file classwizard |
| 21:41.03 | MrBawb | lardman|home: yeah, the kernel freaks out if pid 1 dies |
| 21:41.28 | lardman|home | hmm, shame |
| 21:41.45 | javispedro | lardman|home: what has poor init did to you? :) |
| 21:41.46 | lardman|home | though pid 1 can still live and just not be the init for the active rootfs |
| 21:41.57 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG, compared the output with a exe working fine on device, one says stripped and other one not |
| 21:42.00 | lardman|home | javispedro: trying to boot from an Android init |
| 21:42.10 | MohammadAG | yes, but does it say ARM? |
| 21:42.26 | makulkar | yes |
| 21:42.39 | javispedro | lardman|home: hm... unless you can convince it to exec() some other binary of your choice... |
| 21:42.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:42.54 | MohammadAG | hmm indeed |
| 21:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: please do ``which classwizard'' |
| 21:43.08 | MohammadAG | I'd ask for /proc/cpuinfo but... I'm sure it's an ARM... |
| 21:43.15 | lardman|home | yeah that's the problem, the android init language should support init, but apparently Samsung decided to ignore than bit |
| 21:43.22 | lardman|home | s/init/exec |
| 21:43.30 | makulkar | its in /usr/bin/ |
| 21:43.30 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: please do and post result here: ``ls -l ./classwizard'' |
| 21:43.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: you might also get this message if libs do not exist, at least on messybox. |
| 21:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:44.02 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, it has executable right. |
| 21:44.36 | makulkar | javispedro, yes, thats what i suspected, how do i check for dependency of a exe on the phone |
| 21:44.43 | lardman|home | in any case the Android impl only allows an exec'd binary to run for 60s |
| 21:44.46 | MohammadAG | ldd classwizard |
| 21:44.53 | javispedro | makulkar: "ldd <exename>" might work |
| 21:44.56 | MohammadAG | should show linked libraries |
| 21:45.10 | lardman|home | what's all the excitement about? |
| 21:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: see javispedro's comment. It might got linked against libXY.so that's not available on your device |
| 21:45.25 | makulkar | "not a dynamic executable" |
| 21:45.31 | javispedro | fun, fun, fun. |
| 21:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, lagging |
| 21:45.51 | makulkar | javispedro, what could be the prob? |
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| 21:46.26 | makulkar | javispedro, DocScrutinizer on scratchbox ldd shows the list but when i copy over to device it says "not a dynamic executable" |
| 21:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'm tempted to say "lart busybox" |
| 21:47.13 | javispedro | I'm tempted to say abi problem.. |
| 21:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | or that, yes |
| 21:47.49 | javispedro | or copy failure.. |
| 21:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | umm? |
| 21:48.14 | javispedro | that it might have been corrupted while copying =) |
| 21:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | nah |
| 21:48.23 | MohammadAG | N900 scratchbox with N9 libs? |
| 21:48.23 | makulkar | DocScrutinizer, javispedro double checked copy, works fine |
| 21:48.29 | MohammadAG | wonders if that would work well |
| 21:48.41 | MohammadAG | I'd be amazed, I think MeeGo on the N900 didn't run a maemo app |
| 21:49.10 | makulkar | MohammadAG, how do i check abt meego/maemo on scratchbox |
| 21:50.08 | makulkar | MohammadAG, my bad.. nevermind.. let me do some more research. |
| 21:50.13 | makulkar | for once i got bad binary |
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| 21:50.31 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | makulkar: hard to help, as we don't exactly know about your particular OS you're running there |
| 21:50.47 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l libqt4-dev |
| 21:51.05 | makulkar | MohammadAG, all qt stuff there in usr/lib |
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| 21:53.05 | MohammadAG | makulkar, yeah, but dpkg -l should show something != 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5 |
| 21:57.13 | makulkar | MohammadAG, it shows maemo6 on version |
| 21:58.01 | makulkar | MohammadAG, also when i try to run qt app availble on phone using terminal, I get "ERROR: No DBUS session bus found. Exiting now." any clue? |
| 21:59.00 | javispedro | makulkar: are you trying to run it as root? |
| 21:59.05 | javispedro | (you shouldn't) |
| 21:59.08 | MohammadAG | running as root |
| 21:59.11 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 21:59.17 | makulkar | MohammadAG, yes |
| 21:59.25 | MohammadAG | run it as user |
| 21:59.33 | MohammadAG | or use (if it exists) run-standalone.sh |
| 22:00.24 | makulkar | MohammadAG, javispedro same error when i run as user |
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| 22:01.49 | MohammadAG | run-standalone.sh? |
| 22:01.50 | javispedro | makulkar: did you do "su user" or similar to run as user? you probably lost your environment vars. run a terminal from the UI and run your app from there, or find run-standalone.sh as MohammandAG said |
| 22:01.52 | MohammadAG | maybe it still exists |
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| 22:02.27 | makulkar | MohammadAG, where would that script be placed typically? |
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| 22:02.48 | DocScrutinizer | or do su -l user, or whatever might work on your device/OS |
| 22:03.07 | MohammadAG | /usr/bin/ on M5 |
| 22:03.49 | makulkar | MohammadAG, nope it isnt there. |
| 22:03.58 | makulkar | yes i did su -l user |
| 22:04.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh my god, what have I done |
| 22:04.04 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:04.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | I have a wireless surveillance N900 cam |
| 22:04.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | that I can use in skype |
| 22:04.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | =) |
| 22:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | sighs, on general topic of meego-HE(_actually_maemo) on next device |
| 22:04.31 | MohammadAG | it flies? |
| 22:04.32 | MohammadAG | otherwise, it's not wireless :p |
| 22:04.43 | KaffeeJunky123 | wasted hours trying to get this stuff to work... |
| 22:04.55 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nothing that you didn't know.. |
| 22:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 22:05.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | at first I had an outdated kernel module that wouldn't work with v4l2sink |
| 22:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | only that now it becomes a fact |
| 22:05.13 | MohammadAG | well |
| 22:05.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | then I found out that v4l2sink was bugged |
| 22:05.17 | MohammadAG | if sudo gainroot still exists |
| 22:05.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | and that a fork exists |
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| 22:05.36 | MohammadAG | you might wanna try exec sudo gainroot --use-su |
| 22:05.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | and now I found out that for some unkown reason jpegenc only works via tcp but not udp |
| 22:06.25 | ieatlint | alterego: you there? |
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| 22:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so we are facing two major OS migrations in the near future: first from m5 to m6-HE, which for sure will break all kinds of stuff (see above), and then again from m6 to true meego, which again will break all the shit |
| 22:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | I could easily live with only one of those killers |
| 22:09.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: welcome to the club! you know the official answer: limit yourself to Qt. |
| 22:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | PFFF |
| 22:09.20 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: is alterego's app available for people yet? |
| 22:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: how TF shall I know? |
| 22:09.47 | ieatlint | dunno :P |
| 22:09.53 | ieatlint | figured it was worth a shot at asking |
| 22:09.58 | MohammadAG | which app? |
| 22:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:10.05 | ieatlint | you're one of the people i've seen talking to him about it |
| 22:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | columbus? |
| 22:10.11 | ieatlint | columbus |
| 22:10.12 | ieatlint | yeah |
| 22:10.17 | MohammadAG | that's been out for age |
| 22:10.18 | MohammadAG | s |
| 22:10.26 | ieatlint | hah, i've not paid enough attention |
| 22:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | feels incredibly sick about m6-HE |
| 22:12.09 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't think of any better way to kill meego for good |
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| 22:14.05 | DocScrutinizer | some chair farts at Nokia still seem to think they're selling closed ecosystem phones, bothering more about continuity of user experience OOTB rather than about community and esp devels |
| 22:15.34 | Trewas | big ship turns slowly, or sinks for that matter :P |
| 22:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | as if the most important thing was it's playing Nokia tune on power up |
| 22:16.07 | javispedro | it is!!! |
| 22:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | ""sybian, maemo, meego, andridiot - WHO CARES? Does it play Nokia tune at startup? Fine then!"" |
| 22:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | and of course ""will it work with OVI store?"" - sorry I forgot :P |
| 22:18.25 | MohammadAG | android doesn't play Nokia Tune |
| 22:18.28 | MohammadAG | giggles |
| 22:18.41 | MohammadAG | neither does MeeGo |
| 22:18.44 | MohammadAG | giggles again |
| 22:18.51 | Hoxzer | Can't see why people make such a big deal about OVI store. I have never used and propably never will. |
| 22:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, you don't know Nokia's flavour of meego yet |
| 22:19.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | MohammadAG: you can patch android to play the nokia tune! |
| 22:19.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, oh, that plays an electric guitar version of the tune |
| 22:19.50 | MohammadAG | I'd actually be interested in an electric guitar version, Israel had one |
| 22:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | uaaerrrgh |
| 22:19.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | will there ever be phonebill paying in ovi? |
| 22:19.57 | trip0 | wonders if nokia is going to make an n9 announcement at MWC |
| 22:20.20 | MohammadAG | trip0, yeah sure |
| 22:20.32 | MohammadAG | release @ MeeGo summit I guess |
| 22:20.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | because they already got my phone number, so there's nothing new I'd give to them |
| 22:20.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | but I won't give em my bank account data! |
| 22:20.52 | trip0 | "we are announcing that the n9 will be delayed another 6 months" |
| 22:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | With MEEGOoo..erxCHOUGH HE |
| 22:20.54 | trip0 | doh! |
| 22:21.01 | trip0 | :( |
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| 22:21.56 | MohammadAG | delays are TBA at announcement, please, don't fake the roadmap |
| 22:21.58 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:22.00 | DocScrutinizer | I couldn't care less about N9 |
| 22:22.40 | MohammadAG | I could, need MOAR RAM |
| 22:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | err, I *could* - if I got a promise they won't discontinue N900 on release of N9 |
| 22:23.00 | MohammadAG | I also want the electric guitar Nokia Tune |
| 22:23.11 | MohammadAG | I just remembered it, used to play on Nokia 6680 ads in Israel |
| 22:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 22:23.44 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: isn't it discontinued already fwiw? |
| 22:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | suggests MohammadAG records his own individual unique electric guitar Nokia tune |
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| 22:24.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, got a guitar for me? |
| 22:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | drops a metric ton of PC synthesizers at MohammadAG |
| 22:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: offer the teenager next door a beer - he'll be happy to grab his guitar and play it for you |
| 22:26.43 | MohammadAG | meh, all people I know have accoustics and classics :p |
| 22:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | use a pickup then |
| 22:27.14 | DocScrutinizer | and a big muff |
| 22:27.22 | MohammadAG | muff? |
| 22:27.30 | trip0 | i don't think MohammadAG should be grabbing or playing any teenagers instruments |
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| 22:27.46 | MohammadAG | why's that? getting a guitar in march :p |
| 22:28.06 | trip0 | that's how people get thrown in jail |
| 22:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=big+muff |
| 22:28.39 | MohammadAG | trip0, LOL |
| 22:29.16 | lardman|home | what pid does a process get if it's started from a shell script without an & ? |
| 22:29.21 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, what sort of guitar? |
| 22:29.33 | MohammadAG | electric, for the fun of it |
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| 22:30.12 | javispedro | lardman|home: a random one :) |
| 22:30.24 | lardman|home | really? :( |
| 22:30.39 | javispedro | same as with & |
| 22:30.54 | javispedro | there should no difference from the kernel pov |
| 22:31.01 | lardman|home | drat |
| 22:31.05 | javispedro | without & it's just adding a wait() call |
| 22:31.07 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, cool. |
| 22:31.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: doesn't that thing just make your guitar sound like it's drenched in tons of mud? |
| 22:31.11 | javispedro | *waitpid |
| 22:31.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | + overdrive |
| 22:31.31 | lardman|home | I was hoping I could use a shell script for init and exec the android init if the button combo was correct |
| 22:31.48 | javispedro | lardman|home: you want to look at exec then |
| 22:32.02 | javispedro | lardman|home: you can, that's a good idea. |
| 22:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: well, isn't that the appropriate sound for a Nokia tune? :-P |
| 22:32.08 | MohammadAG | this is actually kinda cool http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62L9ihltsz8:P |
| 22:32.42 | javispedro | lardman|home: on a _sourced_ shell script exec will mean whatever is run gets the shell's pid (replaces it) |
| 22:32.46 | lardman|home | is that a built-in or an e.g. busybox command? |
| 22:32.46 | MohammadAG | has some dropped parts at the start, so meh |
| 22:33.04 | javispedro | lardman|home: builtin |
| 22:33.19 | javispedro | lardman|home: and since it's busybox, ignore the _sourced_ remark I made above ;) |
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| 22:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: http://personal.riverusers.com/~thegrendel/abs-guide-4.2.tar.bz2 |
| 22:35.21 | javispedro | lardman|home: that's how fremantle original "dualbooting" used to work -- a preinit sh script you can find on a N900 made some checks then exec'd init/upstart or showed the multiboot menu |
| 22:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | Advanced Bash-Scripting Guide |
| 22:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | An in-depth exploration of the art of shell scripting |
| 22:36.15 | lardman|home | yeah but this is not bash |
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| 22:36.28 | lardman|home | and there are apparently differences |
| 22:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | (preinit.sh) and backup-menu still works that way |
| 22:36.48 | javispedro | you can find this script (preinit) in /sbin/preinit |
| 22:36.55 | javispedro | (if you want to learn by example :) ) |
| 22:37.01 | javispedro | --> exec $CHROOT /sbin/init $def_runlevel <dev/console >dev/console 2>&1 |
| 22:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: there are. It's messybox, which basically has no external commands. Everything on messybox is "built-in" |
| 22:37.27 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: that link is broken |
| 22:37.53 | lardman|home | javispedro: my N900 is broken |
| 22:37.59 | lardman|home | pastebin? |
| 22:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: sorry, this one's not: /home/jr/Desktop/downloads/abs-guide.pdf - but I guess it doesn't really help |
| 22:38.13 | javispedro | "This software, including documentation, is protected by copyright controlled" |
| 22:38.18 | javispedro | haha |
| 22:38.34 | javispedro | a 423 line propietary shell script. |
| 22:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/search?q=abs-guide.pdf |
| 22:39.01 | lardman|home | thanks |
| 22:39.07 | cehteh | and he stole the first line already from all of my scripts :P |
| 22:39.16 | lardman|home | runlevel required in that script? |
| 22:39.41 | javispedro | uh? |
| 22:40.26 | javispedro | either way the only interesting bit is the exec line, and the android's init cmdline arguments might be different... |
| 22:40.41 | javispedro | and you probably don't need any chroot to invoke android's init. |
| 22:40.55 | lardman|home | no I won't need chroot |
| 22:41.14 | javispedro | (in fact you don't need chroot for the n900 either, that $CHROOT must be for n8x0....) |
| 22:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | chroot? I always thought you're using pivot-root for that |
| 22:41.23 | lardman|home | though I will need to e.g. switch_root away from the initramfs to /sbin/init of Meego |
| 22:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: that's what pivot-root does |
| 22:42.09 | lardman|home | I don't have the source for the Android init, but afaict it reads relevant info from the kernel command line proc entry |
| 22:42.26 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: there's a difference though isn't there, not that I really remember what it is |
| 22:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | chroot creates child with a changed root env, while pivot-root operates on the system root |
| 22:44.02 | lardman|home | and switch_root? |
| 22:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | never heard about it |
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| 22:44.17 | lardman|home | chroot allows you to change back, which I don't need |
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| 22:44.39 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: this seems to explain why it uses chroot (also has pivot_root call a few lines above) : |
| 22:44.39 | javispedro | http://linux.die.net/man/8/pivot_root |
| 22:44.41 | lardman|home | http://manpages.courier-mta.org/htmlman8/switch_root.8.html |
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| 22:45.16 | lardman|home | hmm, so is there a recommendation |
| 22:45.22 | javispedro | lardman|home: sounds like a script, you might be able to read it and see what it does :) |
| 22:45.24 | lardman|home | switch_root looked like it was what I needed |
| 22:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | meh, sorry folks, I am in a mood for RL now |
| 22:45.33 | RST38h | hello to whoever I have not yet helloed today |
| 22:45.38 | javispedro | hi RST38h |
| 22:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 22:45.39 | lardman|home | javispedro: symlink to busybox I think |
| 22:45.46 | lardman|home | hi RST38h |
| 22:45.50 | javispedro | lardman|home: aaaaaaaaaaaaah makes sense. |
| 22:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | hi and bye |
| 22:46.02 | javispedro | cya RST38h :) |
| 22:46.02 | lardman|home | cu DocScrutinizer |
| 22:46.04 | javispedro | heeee |
| 22:46.08 | javispedro | cya DocScrutinizer =) |
| 22:48.43 | lardman|home | hmm, can't see anything useful in bootmenu* |
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| 22:53.35 | m8m8 | Hi guys! I logged in to get some help, but now I don't need it, what a relief! Cellular data connection on my N900 ceaced to work for a whole day. Now i've discovered that my GSM provider had issues... |
| 22:53.37 | MohammadAG | found the best Nokia tune :D http://www.soundclick.com/player/single_player.cfm?songid=7609500&q=hi&newref=1 |
| 22:53.55 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: doesn't andridiot need a proprietary kernel, and that's why we got this multiboot abomination? |
| 22:54.19 | shamus | so is the stable diablo-community-update stable? im still runing the stock nokia os the very latest should i update my n800 to the comunity and is it as easy as clickign the .install or do i need to reflash agin? |
| 22:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: even pivot-root won't switch the kernel |
| 22:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: you should check how to patch uBoot to empoewer it to boot up andridiot |
| 22:55.30 | shamus | or amd i already runign the comunity as i did instsal the rotation |
| 22:56.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hmm - ok |
| 22:57.04 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:57.22 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: replacing the bootloader is the next (rather large) step |
| 22:57.33 | MohammadAG | replacing the what?! |
| 22:57.42 | lardman|home | but for the time being I'd be happy to be able to boot Meego using the slightly abominated Android kernel |
| 22:58.03 | lardman|home | because that also lets me boot Android, so the device is vaguely useful while I do this |
| 22:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-x |
| 22:58.36 | MohammadAG | honest question |
| 22:58.42 | MohammadAG | does anyone read license agreements on installs? |
| 22:58.44 | lardman|home | the secondary bootloader is only 1MB, so not so much reverse engineering to be done there! :$ |
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| 22:59.01 | Kilroo | Is there a howto for uBooting nitdroid yet or is that still a task to make the uninitiated quail and cower in fear? |
| 22:59.09 | Kilroo | MohammadAG: sometimes. |
| 22:59.10 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: will do on yours from now on! |
| 22:59.22 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 22:59.35 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, even the 9-page+ long ones? |
| 22:59.36 | MrBawb | what about using kexec to switch to the droid kernel? |
| 23:00.05 | Kilroo | goes back to trying to tether his n900 to his n85 |
| 23:00.11 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, was installing the Qt SDK, and it came across my mind :p |
| 23:00.18 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10261 |
| 23:00.20 | povbot | Bug 10261: MyNokia Terms and conditions of use on PR1.2 upgrade are incorrect |
| 23:00.43 | MohammadAG | wow, lol |
| 23:00.51 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: ;) |
| 23:01.16 | MohammadAG | oooh, shiny Qt Creator |
| 23:01.44 | MohammadAG | oh, Qt Quick |
| 23:01.52 | MohammadAG | ponders having a look at that |
| 23:02.20 | lardman|home | does sh assume that /bin is in the path or do I need to explicitly set the PATH to include that? |
| 23:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | MrBawb: should work, but same amount of work as fixing uBot to do it "natively" - just the usage pattern is different |
| 23:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | lardman|home: sh assumes nothing, it inherits |
| 23:04.01 | Kilroo | I have a newegg package being shipped to me via DHL/USPS. I am in North Carolina. It started in Tennessee. It has so far traveled via Misourri and Kentucky. |
| 23:04.04 | lardman|home | and when it inherits from the kernel as it has pid 1? |
| 23:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | shell never will have PID 1, except for very special usecases. See man sh, man init, etc |
| 23:04.58 | Kilroo | SWEET! Orange is working! |
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| 23:05.15 | lardman|home | DocScrutinizer: this is just such a usecase |
| 23:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | Iknow, but cba to read the manpages for you |
| 23:05.45 | lardman|home | reads |
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| 23:06.39 | lardman|home | man init is not much use as it assumes init is the binary |
| 23:07.04 | javispedro | lardman|home: probably doesn't, PATH is usually set by login or similar process |
| 23:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | it actually is, as it also explains a bit about who's setting env etc |
| 23:07.29 | RST38h | set by shell, no? |
| 23:08.11 | lardman|home | After init is invoked as the last step of the kernel boot sequence... |
| 23:08.14 | lardman|home | pretty final |
| 23:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | as a general rule, don't assume anything in arbitrary shell scripts. there's nothing forcing PATH to be sane |
| 23:08.40 | lardman|home | will just export PATH and be done with it :) |
| 23:08.44 | javispedro | according to that manpage it will only inherit $CONSOLE |
| 23:08.54 | javispedro | (from the kernel initial environp) |
| 23:08.59 | javispedro | *environment |
| 23:09.16 | lardman|home | Init sets the following environment variables for all its children: |
| 23:09.28 | javispedro | lardman|home: read the CONSOLE part |
| 23:09.34 | Kilroo | I still think it's bunk that General Protection Fault outranks Colonel Panic. |
| 23:09.37 | lardman|home | so apparently it's the job of init to do that, so again I should make sure I do so |
| 23:09.39 | javispedro | " This is really inherited from the kernel" |
| 23:09.45 | javispedro | ($CONSOLE only) |
| 23:10.01 | lardman|home | ok |
| 23:10.15 | lardman|home | console is not overly important as I can't see it on the device anyway |
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| 23:15.17 | MohammadAG | sighs at Qt creator |
| 23:15.28 | BCMM | is there a page explaining what the contents of /sys/devices/platform/nokia-av/detect mean? |
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| 23:15.31 | MohammadAG | there was a "skip packaging step", you had to remove it didn't you |
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| 23:17.21 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 23:17.29 | MohammadAG | they broke existing projects |
| 23:18.41 | MohammadAG | BCMM, 3 = unplugged, 1 = headphones plugged |
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| 23:18.47 | kpoman | hello ! |
| 23:18.51 | kpoman | once again :p |
| 23:18.55 | jonwil | Looks like Cell Broadcast should be possible if I can figure out just whats going on inside libsms |
| 23:18.56 | BCMM | MohammadAG: is that all? |
| 23:18.59 | MohammadAG | 2 will probably be headsets, 4 AV |
| 23:19.03 | MohammadAG | no |
| 23:19.06 | MohammadAG | second two are a guess |
| 23:19.12 | BCMM | MohammadAG: huh, i'm getting three, and i can see a picture on the TV |
| 23:19.13 | MohammadAG | there's the stock N900 (broken, can't test) |
| 23:19.16 | MohammadAG | and AV cable |
| 23:19.23 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 23:19.25 | BCMM | (well, on my computer through WinTV, but anyway) |
| 23:19.28 | MohammadAG | then it's not related to TV out |
| 23:19.31 | kpoman | I just installed the sdk, it comes with the device emulator. but there are almost no tools there |
| 23:19.39 | kpoman | is theere a catalog to add or what ? |
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| 23:19.56 | MohammadAG | er? |
| 23:19.59 | jonwil | A working idapython install would be nice... |
| 23:20.00 | MohammadAG | Qt SDK? |
| 23:20.08 | MohammadAG | it has everything you need to build a Qt app |
| 23:20.23 | kpoman | MohammadAG: to me ? |
| 23:20.29 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:20.56 | MohammadAG | :-1: error: Invalid Qt Creator install path. |
| 23:20.58 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 23:21.02 | kpoman | oh ... see I have x86 X running... I want to compile some app with sme libusb dependencies and SDL |
| 23:21.03 | MohammadAG | achipa, any ideas? |
| 23:21.16 | MohammadAG | then you need scratchbox |
| 23:21.16 | kpoman | MohammadAG: what do I do |
| 23:21.18 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 23:21.18 | infobot | hmm... maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 23:21.29 | MohammadAG | unless they're Qt |
| 23:21.31 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I do have all runnign ! I run the emulator right now. |
| 23:21.43 | achipa | wha ? who ? whe ? |
| 23:21.47 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure I'm following :p |
| 23:21.48 | BCMM | heh, that was roundabout |
| 23:21.52 | MohammadAG | you have a Qt? |
| 23:22.02 | MohammadAG | err |
| 23:22.07 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I downloaded all and did all from this page: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners |
| 23:22.30 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I run the Xephyr and launch the start script. I do see my fake device but no app on it. |
| 23:22.34 | MohammadAG | that's not an emulator... |
| 23:22.34 | BCMM | rang phone from Skype, and heard the ringing come from my computer, via the capture card... |
| 23:22.35 | kpoman | only the browser |
| 23:22.47 | MohammadAG | what exactly do you want on it? |
| 23:22.48 | BCMM | perhaps that wasn't the simplest way to test a cable. |
| 23:23.09 | MohammadAG | BCMM, heh |
| 23:23.14 | jonwil | jacekowski: you around? |
| 23:23.17 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I want to download maybe SDL with ttf and then copy my application and try to compile it, have the binaries and copy them to my real device see if it works |
| 23:23.38 | MohammadAG | you need to switch to ARMEL to compile for the device |
| 23:23.46 | MohammadAG | sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 23:23.58 | achipa | MohammadAG: there still is the skip packaging step if that's what you're after |
| 23:24.13 | achipa | it just has some extremely silly name and is in an even sillier location |
| 23:24.30 | BCMM | anyone got a link explaining the confusion about pin order on four-conductor 3.5mm TRS jacks? |
| 23:24.36 | MohammadAG | achipa, it's failing to compile all in all |
| 23:24.38 | kpoman | MohammadAG: yep ... it does autoselect the correct gcc and flags ? |
| 23:24.45 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:24.48 | kpoman | MohammadAG: and how do I download the dependencies there, apt-get ? |
| 23:24.52 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:24.55 | BCMM | (i've accidentally bought myself a spare AV cable for the n900 when i wanted one for a sony camcorder) |
| 23:24.56 | kpoman | ok |
| 23:24.56 | achipa | MohammadAG: errm, what are you compiling ? |
| 23:24.58 | MohammadAG | add extras-devel |
| 23:25.06 | kpoman | MohammadAG: how do I do that |
| 23:25.13 | MohammadAG | achipa, my mediaplayer, used to compile fine on the old Nokia Qt SDK |
| 23:25.13 | kpoman | sources.list ? |
| 23:25.16 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:25.25 | kpoman | let me check what is there |
| 23:25.32 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
| 23:25.33 | achipa | MohammadAG: is it in extras ? |
| 23:25.40 | MohammadAG | echo deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free > /etc/apt/sources.list |
| 23:25.48 | MohammadAG | achipa, mediaplayer? no, it's on gitorious |
| 23:25.53 | lardman|home | hmm, does the kernel create a tmpfs which contains /dev ? |
| 23:26.14 | kpoman | MohammadAG: apt-get no such file or directory |
| 23:26.26 | MohammadAG | sure you followed the correct instructions? |
| 23:26.31 | MohammadAG | have a look at |
| 23:26.33 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 23:26.34 | infobot | [maemosdk] http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 23:26.37 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I only did what was in that link |
| 23:26.40 | MohammadAG | I don't really trust any other guides ;) |
| 23:26.46 | javispedro | lardman|home: the kernel can be configured to do so |
| 23:26.55 | kpoman | MohammadAG: on a ubuntu box |
| 23:27.10 | MohammadAG | same, and apt-get works fine with those instructions ^ |
| 23:27.27 | javispedro | lardman|home: "CONFIG_DEVTMPFS" if you can find whatever kernel config they used |
| 23:27.27 | MohammadAG | achipa, any way to get more verbose output? |
| 23:27.46 | achipa | MohammadAG: a sec... |
| 23:28.06 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I am running sb login, then switch to armel |
| 23:28.06 | lardman|home | javispedro: thanks, glad I'm not going mad |
| 23:28.33 | javispedro | lardman|home: being an android kernel, I suggest you get the patches they made to the kernel to avoid going mad =) |
| 23:28.41 | javispedro | just in case they added wacky behaviour |
| 23:29.05 | kpoman | MohammadAG: there is something wrong here. If I autocomplete with TAB key, it finds apt-get ... if I type the command it says not found |
| 23:29.12 | kpoman | what is goin on there ? |
| 23:29.40 | javispedro | tries StarCraft2 on the lenovo... |
| 23:29.49 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I had to kill services because it was telling me "session not closed" is that the problem ? |
| 23:30.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:30.30 | kpoman | then ? |
| 23:30.31 | MohammadAG | you have to af-s(tab) stop |
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| 23:30.39 | lardman|home | javispedro: it's a tarball, so I'll have to diff it against the vanilla kernel, then remove any arm patches from the diff, etc |
| 23:30.48 | javispedro | ugh |
| 23:30.51 | kpoman | no such file or directory for everyting in there |
| 23:31.19 | kpoman | do i need to reboot the machine :( |
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| 23:33.13 | achipa | MohammadAG: where is it breaking ? |
| 23:33.24 | MohammadAG | before building starts |
| 23:33.33 | MohammadAG | kpoman, no, just follow instructions in the wiki |
| 23:33.52 | achipa | ? worksforme, had to uncomment that silly pathline in the pro and that was it... |
| 23:34.03 | MohammadAG | Project ERROR: Invalid Qt Creator install path. |
| 23:34.04 | MohammadAG | The process "/home/mohammad/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/targets/fremantle-pr13/bin/qmake" exited with code 2. |
| 23:34.09 | achipa | yeah |
| 23:34.41 | achipa | holy copypaste madness |
| 23:35.05 | achipa | anyway, external-includes.pro says uncomment stuff in it |
| 23:35.32 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 23:35.32 | shamus | backups his home directory fully this time and feals like taking the plunge after all whats the worst that the stable version of Diablo_Community_Project could do to his n800 heck worse case i guess ill have to reflash |
| 23:35.37 | MohammadAG | that file... |
| 23:35.38 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 23:36.16 | achipa | I don't think that's coming from qtcreator tho, you prolly picked it up someplace else |
| 23:36.47 | MohammadAG | yeah, crashanddie added it to work around an issue |
| 23:36.50 | MohammadAG | forgot about it |
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| 23:36.59 | MohammadAG | one last thing |
| 23:37.04 | achipa | (as I tend to get bitchy when someone starts including .pro files :) if it's not a separate project, make it a pri so it's clear it's an include) |
| 23:37.09 | MohammadAG | is there a way to install dpkgs without extracting them manually? |
| 23:37.30 | achipa | xpkg -i whatever? |
| 23:37.30 | MohammadAG | heh, I tend to agree about .pri :) |
| 23:37.48 | achipa | xdpkg... |
| 23:37.53 | MohammadAG | finds |
| 23:38.17 | MohammadAG | not hidden, at all :p QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg |
| 23:38.33 | achipa | every goo dhacker looks there first, right ? :P |
| 23:38.44 | MohammadAG | ha |
| 23:38.45 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg |
| 23:38.45 | MohammadAG | Can't locate Madde.pm in @INC (@INC contains: /etc/perl /usr/local/lib/perl/5.10.1 /usr/local/share/perl/5.10.1 /usr/lib/perl5 /usr/share/perl5 /usr/lib/perl/5.10 /usr/share/perl/5.10 /usr/local/lib/site_perl .) at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9. |
| 23:38.45 | MohammadAG | BEGIN failed--compilation aborted at QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg line 9. |
| 23:39.19 | achipa | ummm... I remember that... |
| 23:39.42 | achipa | (though at almost 2AM my mmery tends to fade) |
| 23:39.57 | MohammadAG | 1:39 here :p |
| 23:40.02 | achipa | ditto |
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| 23:41.20 | wmarone | hm |
| 23:41.25 | wmarone | anyone here use dropn900? |
| 23:41.28 | mikki-kun | hm, can anybody tell me how i could add to my halfdone script --- for i in *.pdf; echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g --- the mv command so my files get renamed? |
| 23:41.59 | MohammadAG | trying to do what exactly? :P |
| 23:42.04 | MrBawb | newname=`echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g` |
| 23:42.08 | MrBawb | is that what you wanted? |
| 23:42.23 | achipa | MohammadAG: a@t410:~/QtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/bin$ ./mad ../madlib/ma-cmds/xdpkg |
| 23:42.31 | mikki-kun | i want my L$BLA files renamed to Z:$BLA :) |
| 23:42.34 | achipa | might be talking rubbish... eyes half closed |
| 23:42.45 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 23:42.49 | MohammadAG | sounds reasonable to me |
| 23:42.51 | MohammadAG | ta |
| 23:42.57 | MrBawb | mikki-kun: for i in *.pdf; do mv $i `echo $i | sed s/L/Z:/g`; done |
| 23:43.00 | Jartza | gnnh |
| 23:43.09 | MrBawb | might need some "s |
| 23:43.13 | Jartza | I'm trying to get a grip of QML |
| 23:43.15 | MohammadAG | backspaces |
| 23:43.18 | MohammadAG | beat me to it :p |
| 23:43.22 | mikki-kun | ahhh ok, "do mv" :) it was then :) |
| 23:45.38 | kpoman | sorry MohammadAG made a beer explode here and had to clean up the mess |
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| 23:46.21 | MohammadAG | beer's too cool for me |
| 23:46.36 | kpoman | lol heineken here in brazil is like water |
| 23:46.37 | kpoman | :p |
| 23:46.42 | shamus | almost made a major mistake and tryed to make a backup with a custom theme |
| 23:46.59 | Jartza | heineken is like water anyways :) |
| 23:47.04 | kpoman | heheh |
| 23:47.25 | kpoman | too bad I lost one bottle because of 2 previous ones :D |
| 23:47.29 | Jartza | what's common between Heineken and making love in a canoe? |
| 23:47.37 | kpoman | i donno |
| 23:47.42 | Jartza | ...they're both "fucking close to water" |
| 23:47.50 | kpoman | loooool :p ahahaha |
| 23:48.04 | ShadowJK | I've heard that before...about budweiser :P |
| 23:48.13 | Jartza | same story :) |
| 23:48.14 | kpoman | all beers are here of that kind unfortunately :p |
| 23:48.18 | kpoman | no leffe |
| 23:48.30 | kpoman | no others of that kind |
| 23:48.32 | kpoman | guiness |
| 23:48.34 | kpoman | etc... :( |
| 23:49.14 | ShadowJK | likes unfiltered wheat beers |
| 23:49.25 | kpoman | guys every time I see that phone I love it more and more |
| 23:49.25 | MohammadAG | ooh fuck |
| 23:49.36 | MohammadAG | new Qt SDK removed my mediaplayer |
| 23:49.36 | Jartza | I like a lot of different beers, but not heineker nor budweiser :) |
| 23:49.37 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 23:49.50 | kpoman | I do develop lot of python and now want to port lot of software I did for that mobile device ... in particular biometric apps |
| 23:49.58 | kpoman | like banking fingerprint authentication |
| 23:50.02 | kpoman | access control |
| 23:50.10 | kpoman | very nice platform you did create there |
| 23:50.33 | kpoman | I just want to compile a demo app and sdk and then put the python in there :P |
| 23:50.56 | kpoman | congrats all the hardcore devs there ;) |
| 23:51.00 | kpoman | (beer speaking) |
| 23:51.04 | Jartza | hmm. ohh, ok. |
| 23:51.07 | MohammadAG | achipa, you sure about the part about disabling packages? |
| 23:51.20 | Jartza | whoo-a |
| 23:51.27 | Jartza | I drew 2 rectangles with QML |
| 23:51.34 | Jartza | well. that's a start :D |
| 23:52.05 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 23:52.28 | kpoman | MohammadAG: my scratchbox is telling me command not found for everythin |
| 23:52.34 | kpoman | I thing I messed too much |
| 23:52.48 | MohammadAG | kpoman, I'm guessing you have them, but installation wasn't successful so there's no qemu |
| 23:52.59 | MohammadAG | so you're trying to run arm on x86, which naturally, doesn't work well |
| 23:53.43 | kpoman | MohammadAG: it seems more like a path error or whatever. after I did kill services and switched to armel I have those problems |
| 23:53.58 | lardman|home | do I need to umount the devtmpfs and devpts before I exec the android init do you reckon? |
| 23:54.05 | kpoman | MohammadAG: the .sh script dont work, but the direct commands do |
| 23:54.22 | MohammadAG | does /usr/bin/apt-get say anything? |
| 23:54.44 | shamus | wow that was painless |
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| 23:55.03 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I am able to autocomplete the command, but when ran, it says no such file or dir |
| 23:55.26 | kpoman | odd |
| 23:55.56 | MohammadAG | again |
| 23:56.05 | MohammadAG | ARM on X86 |
| 23:56.05 | MohammadAG | wrong arch returns no such file |
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| 23:56.23 | kpoman | MohammadAG: I did the sb-conf thing |
| 23:56.36 | kpoman | sb-conf se FREMANTLE_ARMEL |
| 23:56.53 | MohammadAG | I know |
| 23:56.58 | MohammadAG | but qemu's f'd for some reason |
| 23:57.13 | MohammadAG | repeat installation |
| 23:57.19 | kpoman | do you have an apt-get to install that on ubuntu ? |
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| 23:57.44 | MohammadAG | no, just follow ~maemosdk |
| 23:57.47 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 23:57.47 | infobot | i guess maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 23:57.49 | kpoman | qemu-arm-static |
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| 23:57.53 | kpoman | oops let see |
| 23:57.55 | MohammadAG | two scripts |
| 23:57.58 | MohammadAG | run both |
| 23:58.32 | kpoman | the python script ? |
