| 00:00.35 | ArGGu^^ | What I need to do that when pressing X from mainwindow the whole application wont quit? |
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| 00:02.59 | MohammadAG51 | hm? |
| 00:03.08 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: btw MediaBar so far is really an awesome app :) |
| 00:03.11 | MohammadAG51 | override the closeEvent() |
| 00:03.14 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, do you know specific problem? (have you gdbed it) |
| 00:03.20 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG51 ok thanks |
| 00:03.29 | lcuk | and is there a qtbug for it |
| 00:03.36 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, yes, Venemo traced it back to QApplication, and yes |
| 00:03.49 | MohammadAG51 | mikki-kun, it needs work really |
| 00:03.56 | MohammadAG51 | exams != free time :P |
| 00:04.29 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, if its been traced all the way back |
| 00:04.46 | lcuk | if someone has source ready and available, cure it, test it, submit it as mr |
| 00:04.46 | MohammadAG51 | bt only shows 2 lines lcuk |
| 00:04.59 | MohammadAG51 | no one knows how to cure it :) |
| 00:05.19 | lcuk | url to source line problem (gotirious web?) |
| 00:05.29 | lcuk | gitorious even |
| 00:05.31 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG51: still so far it is awesome :) feedback is always good, especially if it is positive, if know it ;) |
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| 00:05.47 | MohammadAG51 | not sure of the source line, it's in QApplication though |
| 00:05.51 | ArGGu^^ | damm I'm hungry :S |
| 00:06.03 | ArGGu^^ | eat like 12 hours ago :S |
| 00:06.05 | MohammadAG51 | http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 |
| 00:06.29 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, then we shall ask venemo to trace it closer and get actual line refs |
| 00:06.47 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, traceback isn't helpful |
| 00:06.49 | MohammadAG51 | see the bug |
| 00:06.59 | ArGGu^^ | I'm sick so I don't have much appetite :S |
| 00:07.18 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, yes, I see. the debug build is really needed |
| 00:07.30 | ArGGu^^ | well I'm going trying to get some sleep |
| 00:07.30 | MohammadAG51 | it is a debug build lcuk |
| 00:07.36 | ArGGu^^ | Good night |
| 00:07.40 | lcuk | which gdb are you using? |
| 00:07.40 | MohammadAG51 | 5MBs in size |
| 00:07.45 | MohammadAG51 | night ArGGu^^ |
| 00:07.55 | MohammadAG51 | the gdb we all use :P |
| 00:08.03 | lcuk | :) |
| 00:08.07 | lcuk | humour me |
| 00:08.24 | SpeedEvil | hits lcuk with a trout. |
| 00:08.30 | lcuk | \o SpeedEvil |
| 00:08.35 | MohammadAG51 | GNU gdb (GDB) 6.8.50.20090417-debian |
| 00:08.45 | lcuk | ok, theres a qt happy 7.0 build around |
| 00:09.03 | MohammadAG51 | but that is Qt happy :P |
| 00:09.05 | lcuk | not sure if thats why you arent getting symbols |
| 00:09.10 | MohammadAG51 | it works when i f*** up an app :) |
| 00:09.31 | MohammadAG51 | and trust me, I do that a lot |
| 00:10.07 | MohammadAG51 | only reason i'd think of is libqt4-core-dbg not installed |
| 00:10.13 | MohammadAG51 | and that doesn't fit on / |
| 00:10.34 | MohammadAG51 | which reminds me |
| 00:10.43 | MohammadAG51 | i could exploit my on-device sdk |
| 00:11.32 | MohammadAG51 | yay installing |
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| 00:13.08 | MohammadAG51 | how do I do a debug build with make? |
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| 00:13.14 | lolcat | hello |
| 00:13.22 | lolcat | Can I synch maemo to google calendar? |
| 00:14.01 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, have started watching that bug, let us know if you get better backtrace |
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| 00:15.55 | timeless_xchat | lolcat: sometimes |
| 00:16.03 | lolcat | How? |
| 00:16.21 | timeless_xchat | google is your friend |
| 00:16.32 | lolcat | I don't like that evil corporation |
| 00:16.46 | MrBawb | heh |
| 00:16.50 | timeless_xchat | mohammadag: add -g to CFLAGS |
| 00:16.57 | SpeedEvil | google is not evil. |
| 00:16.59 | SpeedEvil | is. |
| 00:17.20 | alterego | MohammadAG51: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/m3d.png |
| 00:17.27 | alterego | MohammadAG51: vu meter? :D |
| 00:18.34 | MohammadAG51 | looks like the old N64 logo :P |
| 00:18.39 | MohammadAG51 | Cool |
| 00:18.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:19.12 | alterego | Yeah, just a simple mesh whilst I nail down shaders and my engine classes |
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| 00:19.33 | lardman | night |
| 00:19.39 | alterego | My camera class is almost done which allows moving and panning using touch screen |
| 00:19.58 | alterego | Tomorrow I'm going to implement the terrain loader |
| 00:20.32 | alterego | Might also mess about with a osm or gmaps overlay |
| 00:21.43 | alterego | The cool thing, though not obvious from that screenshot, is the alpha blending and fog effect actually render nicely over Qt widgets, so I should be able to maintain Columbus' swipe static background |
| 00:22.25 | alterego | And have a pretty fade to background image on the terrain/mapping widget for v2 |
| 00:23.06 | MohammadAG51 | :) |
| 00:23.17 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, unable to reproduce under on-device sdk |
| 00:23.29 | alterego | Anyhow, g'night folks |
| 00:23.34 | alterego | wanders off. |
| 00:24.14 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: ping? |
| 00:24.29 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: do we want to archive 2010? |
| 00:24.40 | GeneralAntilles | Also: holyshitalmostayearalready?! |
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| 00:26.13 | MohammadAG51 | ah! |
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| 00:26.20 | MrBawb | lolcat: maybe Erminig will work? http://wiki.maemo.org/Sync |
| 00:27.01 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, new info |
| 00:27.19 | MohammadAG51 | segfault only occurs when QGtkStyle sets the theme |
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| 00:30.13 | MohammadAG51 | i'll post about it tomorrow, at least i tracked it down |
| 00:30.40 | MohammadAG51 | going to sleep, nighto/ |
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| 00:47.01 | eichi | ops fmms did me an new internet connection, which doenst work. but i cant delete it anymore, someone knows, where i can do this? |
| 00:50.54 | MrBawb | fmms creates entries in gconf under /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/ |
| 00:52.00 | MrBawb | you can get a list of those entries by running: "gconftool-2 -R /system/osso/connectivity/IAP" |
| 00:52.43 | MrBawb | all wifi connections will be in there too |
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| 01:03.47 | eichi | MrBawb: thanks, did it witn fAPN, but, yours should work too ;) thanks |
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| 01:06.35 | MrBawb | oh right, I was thinking fmms was fapn |
| 01:17.30 | lolcat | I can't import calendars to google calendars |
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| 02:04.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: you liked to disturb my dreams - so what's on? |
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| 02:07.24 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
| 02:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | also yawns, but probably in a different situation |
| 02:10.07 | DocScrutinizer | I hate it to get up and find I'm short of milk for the cafe latte |
| 02:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | time for 12648430 |
| 02:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles swearwords |
| 02:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, those dudes had lots of fun with h-e-n and my slightly improved booston script |
| 02:14.50 | jonwil | bah, still getting nowhere figuring out how to produce csd plugins :( |
| 02:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh, what's wrong with a LED flashing 6Hz red/pink, while watching a movie? If that is inappropriate then you're watching the wrong movies! :-P |
| 02:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | oh, actually csd. had to lok at the nick to get it |
| 02:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | look |
| 02:17.49 | jonwil | what I wouldn't give for the nokia-closed csd-base-dev and libisi-dev packages right now :P |
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| 02:18.59 | jonwil | I get the feeling I am going to need to bypass CSD and write a separate daemon for cbsms |
| 02:19.29 | jonwil | although I am worried that bypassing the telephony stack wont work |
| 02:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: mabe I know people who can poke the right people. Let's see if we can 'make a deal' with Nokia. Sometimes this works, evidently |
| 02:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | admittedly it got me nowhere with bme |
| 02:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | but there are others that were able to do such deals |
| 02:26.32 | jonwil | I suspect this is less sensitive given that A.the telephony stack is now open in MeeGo and B.we only need headers and not actual code |
| 02:26.42 | DocScrutinizer | given the closed nature of cellmo FW the risk for Nokia to disclose a few *.h isn't high |
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| 02:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
| 02:28.54 | jonwil | there are packages that used to exist called cellmo-icpr82-headers and cellmo-headers, no idea what they contained though |
| 02:29.26 | jonwil | or why they were removed |
| 02:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | stating the fact that you don't want to cheat on, or even kill telepathy might be a sound argument to get lcuk''s attention. And he knows lots of people who can help |
| 02:30.08 | jonwil | yeah I don't want to have to write something outside telephony if I dont have to |
| 02:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | speaking to tekojo might help to get support from Nokia directly |
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| 02:30.44 | SpeedEvil | putting it into telepathy would be good |
| 02:30.51 | DocScrutinizer | also stskeeps might be somebody worth talking to |
| 02:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ack |
| 02:32.00 | DocScrutinizer | so, while colabora might not be interested in doing this themselves, without order from Nokia, they might feel like helping any volunteer planning to do this |
| 02:32.29 | jonwil | so whats the best way to approach these people? email? irc pm? |
| 02:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: : here |
| 02:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: = colabora |
| 02:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo = here sometimes |
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| 02:34.34 | jonwil | so an IRC PM to lcuk then? |
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| 02:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk might talk to or give you contacts to talk to, inside colabora |
| 02:34.56 | DocScrutinizer | ping him first, I'd say |
| 02:35.00 | jonwil | ok |
| 02:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ping |
| 02:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo (tero kojo iirc) might pop up here in ~5..6h |
| 02:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | that's his usual time |
| 02:36.44 | jonwil | what about stskeeps? |
| 02:36.54 | jonwil | or are the other 2 better people to contact? |
| 02:36.56 | DocScrutinizer | check #meego-arm |
| 02:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps is involved into meego development now, but close to Nokia. He may want to help if he feels it's useful for meego |
| 02:38.07 | jonwil | which it probably isnt since meego already has ofono |
| 02:38.16 | jonwil | and isnt using the old telephony stack |
| 02:38.30 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, please elaborate |
| 02:39.00 | jonwil | you dont know what ofono is? |
| 02:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | aah, sorry, I still wait for coffee to kick in. yeah ok |
| 02:39.11 | jonwil | my bet is that lcuk or tekojo might help |
| 02:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk denied any insight into telepathy some weeks ago, but still might be able to shout across the room to the guy that developed telepathy |
| 02:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | or introduce you to him/her |
| 02:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101 also is colabora iirc |
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| 02:44.26 | jonwil | I dont know if cbsms is really a fit for telepathy |
| 02:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | his "rush hours" are now+12h to now+18h it seems |
| 02:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | is sms? |
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| 02:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | are instant messages? |
| 02:45.54 | jonwil | well what I want is to talk to is to someone who can try to get access to dev packages to talk to libisi and the cellmo stuff and dev packages and info for building a csd plugin |
| 02:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | CBSMS is somewhere in between the two |
| 02:46.13 | jonwil | and yes, information for plugging into telephathy and high-level bits |
| 02:46.17 | jonwil | if that makes sense to do |
| 02:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | talk to telepathy guys I guess |
| 02:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | and to tekojo. |
| 02:47.44 | jonwil | so robot101, tekojo and lcuk? |
| 02:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | I'll do the same when ever I run into one of them. Please keep me CC'd |
| 02:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 02:48.23 | jonwil | ok, I will keep you CC'd |
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| 02:50.17 | jonwil | doesnt look like any of those 3 are actually around right now |
| 02:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk and Robot101 are around but asleep, tekojo will join every 3rd day, ~9..15:00 CET |
| 02:51.54 | jonwil | I shall wait to see when they wake up/appear |
| 02:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:52.03 | jonwil | Being in Australia isnt going to make this easy :( |
| 02:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 02:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~ugt |
| 02:52.24 | infobot | rumour has it, ugt is Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
| 02:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | IOW - irc has no best time |
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| 02:57.45 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I absolutely don't get it why Nokia missed on the great opportunity to position N900/maemo for emergency management special usecase. Given the prperties of the device and OS it'd be optimal for developing special software for usage in such scenarios. Like CBSMS with postprocessing, OSM earthquake, etc |
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| 02:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | a rarely know fact is GSM specs even support closed user groups, to implement sth like VPN for calls |
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| 03:00.13 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's my take on it - never digged into it |
| 03:00.25 | jonwil | me, all I care about is being able to see the cell tower ID/name so I can tell if the tower I am talking to is close or further away :) |
| 03:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 03:02.56 | DocScrutinizer | I followed a similar purpose when asking tekojo about service mode interface to modem, to get a full set of GSM network info parametrs. See http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html |
| 03:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | alas this didn't lead anywhere in the end |
| 03:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: you could tell distance to BTS by a resolution of 550m, my inspecting TimeAdvance |
| 03:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | the depressing part of that story is: really ancient phones like Nokia 6210 supported service monitor mode, but only way to exploit it was connecting phone to a PC via service cable (or IrDA). Now that we have a N900 that can run all kinds of apps exploiting this data, like GSM "triangulation" positioning, the modem is missing all but the most basic features |
| 03:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | it's a shame |
| 03:08.29 | jonwil | yeah it is |
| 03:13.15 | DocScrutinizer | Obvously Nokia's mantra had been "it's no phone, it's a NIT. We want GSM data, and phone is a nice to have". Which is a really bad notion, to define implementation goals for a new potentially powerful device |
| 03:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | and now they are developing meego based on the same paradigm, and claim that's their fundation for all their future high end smartPHONES - isn't it roaring obvious there's something terribly odd in this concept? |
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| 03:17.38 | jonwil | Yeah there is no reason MeeGo cant support all the GSM/UMTS/cellmo features that Android, WinMo, Symbian etc are supporting |
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| 03:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | except MTSG not even thinking about "niche usecases" like CBSMS and whatnot. SSC is just another topic that comes to mind |
| 03:21.13 | wmarone | but isn't that outside MeeGo's scope? Wouldn't that be better placed in the Ofono layer, or be vendor specific? |
| 03:22.25 | DocScrutinizer | they are still specifying product requirements for a netbook, rather than a high end smartphone. And a netbook doesn't need to deal with CBSMS, not even with power conservation that much like a cellphone needs to do - that's why nobody feels sensorfw is doing wrong when *polling* sensors that have an IRQ hw line |
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| 03:23.42 | jonwil | yeah that's part of the problem, MeeGo is being driven too much by Intel that wants it for ATOM tablets and netbooks |
| 03:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | it needs a fundamentally different mindset of engineers specifying system architecture of a smartphone, than that you usually find and accept for engineers developing a new desktop/laptop/netbook OS |
| 03:26.56 | jonwil | If Nokia doesnt step up and make MeeGo a better OS for smartphones, Nokia's leadership in mobile phones (whats left of it) will disappear |
| 03:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's damage done - nothing to recover here |
| 03:28.56 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia quite obviously lost or paralyzed inhouse smartphone OS competence |
| 03:29.53 | jonwil | Symbian was never that good for smartphones IMO |
| 03:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | but a few Nokia devels for maemo were savvy. Alas it seems they either left or got devoiced |
| 03:31.06 | Kilroo1 | I remember when I first read about MeeGo, I got all excited and then stopped and went "Wait...you're giving up a debian-based system for WHAT now?" |
| 03:31.53 | Kilroo1 | I disagree, jonwil. From my experience with my n85, I think Symbian was pretty darn good for smartphones...until, well, iOS, Android, and Maemo 5... |
| 03:32.24 | Kilroo1 | It's not so much that it was bad as that it stopped being as good, if you see what I mean. |
| 03:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | it's not about what it's based on - it's all about where it abandons blind following of a desktop centric mainstream and implements custom tailored yet free and extensible own solutions |
| 03:33.56 | Kilroo1 | Oh, it's not so much the basis that bothered me, I suppose. |
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| 03:34.13 | Kilroo1 | It's more the fact that I don't like the idea of giving up apt for anything but pacman or conary. |
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| 03:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | BAD example: adopting pulseaudio for maemo. Good example: Nokia's maemo driver for lis302 accelerometer is IRQ based and much better than the "mainstream" polling driver they use in meego now |
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| 03:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: I give no flying sh*t about apt/rpm. I'm using the app manager maybe once a week, so what? it's the core apps and kernel, that run all the time which bothers me |
| 03:39.23 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: Very valid point. But I still don't much care for the idea of something I see as a downgrade in package management. |
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| 03:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | example? you want an app that starts an alarm as soon as the device gets moved. Shout "HAIL meego polling accel driver" |
| 03:41.09 | Kilroo1 | Then again, at least if T-Mobile ever gets 3G+ in my area, I'm probably going to be happy enough with my n900 for quite a while that I won't likely do more than experiment with Meego unless a new Meego phone comes out that just gives me nerdgasms...and works on a network with better local coverage. |
| 03:41.38 | Kilroo1 | That reminds me, I should take another crack at bluetooth tethering the n900 to the n85 again sometime. |
| 03:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and has a battery life of what? 2h? |
| 03:42.57 | Kilroo1 | ...Are you talking about the mythical Meego phone or the n85? |
| 03:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | let me put it the harsh way: meego devels have no clue how to design a decent smartphone OS |
| 03:43.04 | Kilroo1 | Ah, okay. |
| 03:43.22 | Kilroo1 | Good thing I like maemo, then. |
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| 03:46.56 | Kilroo1 | Random thoughts of the moment: I wonder if there's a way to tell rotatedaemon that I actually only want it to give me upside-down landscape mode. I also wonder why my phone doesn't seem to find pocketsphinx in extras-devel. |
| 03:47.06 | Kilroo1 | goes to research these things. |
| 03:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | if they had, they wouldn't ask "is it upstream" whenever you suggest a better alternative. They would cheer "it's better for smartphone usecase! \o/" |
| 03:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | they never wrapped their heads around the reasons why e.g Android not even is a Linux anymore |
| 03:50.34 | jonwil | What I want is a smartphone with the good stuff from Android AND the good stuff from Maemo. |
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| 03:51.53 | jonwil | I like the openess and native code of Maemo |
| 03:53.04 | jonwil | and I like some of the hardware from Android developers like HTC and Motorola (plus the fact that Android is designed to be a cellphone OS from day one) |
| 03:56.42 | Kilroo1 | I'd be tickled pink if the answer to all the folks who have asked "what about porting Dalvik to Maemo instead of using NITDroid" became "Sure, here it is." But then, most of what I like better about Android than Meego tends to be games Maemo doesn't have yet. |
| 03:57.50 | johnx | Davlik to regular linux is supposedly kinda painful to actually accomplish |
| 03:58.13 | Kilroo1 | Didn't say I thought it would happen, said I'd be tickled. :) |
| 03:58.56 | Kilroo1 | I was reading an interesting thread recently from a guy who doesn't like the n900's contacts and conversations. I thought it was kinda neat to get a different perspective, since I like Telepathy a lot and about the only thing I miss from contacts is voice dialing. |
| 03:58.56 | johnx | yeah. I really liked the thought of it for a long time ... but it looks like portability was really not a concern that the android guys had |
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| 04:00.19 | johnx | actually, I played with an android 2.2 device the other day and came away not hugely impressed. I always have this tendency to assume that Linux is less usable than whatever the mainstream thing-of-the-day is |
| 04:00.33 | Kilroo1 | Heh. |
| 04:00.58 | Kilroo1 | After using Arch Linux on my home PC for this long and loving it, I...er...don't. |
| 04:01.14 | johnx | ... then I go try the latest mainstream thing and when it isn't hugely more usable I'm always weirded out |
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| 04:18.39 | jonwil | wonders if anyone important will ever read bugs like 11794... |
| 04:19.22 | Psi | they n900 sudoers file looks quite complex, is there any trick to adding another user to it? |
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| 04:22.41 | Psi | nevermind |
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| 04:34.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | bug #11749 |
| 04:34.19 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11749 as-daemon uses lots of RAM and CPU |
| 04:34.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf is as-daemon? |
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| 04:43.31 | jonwil | its not 11949 I was referring to, its 11794 |
| 04:43.35 | jonwil | bug #11794 |
| 04:43.36 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11794 Open Fremantle's MCE |
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| 04:46.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah |
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| 05:26.13 | Psi | so, how does one ssh into easydebian running on n900? |
| 05:26.37 | MohammadAG51 | ssh into normal n900 and start a debian shell? |
| 05:26.38 | Psi | do you have to install ssh server in easydebian then run it on a different port to the maemo ssh |
| 05:27.13 | Psi | how do you start a debian sheel? |
| 05:27.19 | Psi | *shell |
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| 05:28.46 | MohammadAG51 | debbie-sue |
| 05:29.34 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer51, had an alarm set to 6, apparently I woke up, unplugged the N900 from the charger, stopped the alarm and went back to bed, yet I can't remember doing that |
| 05:29.57 | Psi | haha |
| 05:30.17 | Psi | thanks, debbie-sue worked |
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| 05:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: moo - and sorry, my daily reconnect hit at 6:30:00 |
| 05:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | so everything after your wake up story got lost |
| 05:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | actually after psi's haha |
| 05:35.09 | Psi | heh |
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| 05:45.30 | Psi | nice, got samba working |
| 05:47.46 | Psi | however im a bit confused why samba is still working even tho ive shutdown LXDE |
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| 05:59.01 | ShadowJK | lxkde isn't in the habbit of killing system daemons |
| 05:59.47 | DocScrutinizer | thought as much - morning ShadowJK |
| 06:00.02 | ShadowJK | morn |
| 06:00.34 | ShadowJK | ponders finding the N810 gps bug and reopening it now that Nokia agps servers reject N810 |
| 06:01.41 | ShadowJK | yawns and goes back to sleep |
| 06:01.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | WUT? |
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| 06:05.24 | jonwil | has identified the items he would want in order to support cbsms on maemo the "right" way by plugging into the telephony stack |
| 06:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: could you add a comment to https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8347 |
| 06:09.03 | povbot | Bug 8347: Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
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| 06:12.40 | jonwil | need to sign up for bugzilla first :( |
| 06:12.42 | jonwil | :) |
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| 06:32.06 | jonwil | DocScruitinizer, are you suggesting I should mention the stuff I want in the bugzilla comment? |
| 06:32.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 06:32.32 | jonwil | ok, will do |
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| 06:33.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | also why you need them, what's your concept etc |
| 06:35.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | then hope for andre__ to maybe propagate this request to whom it may concern inside Nokia |
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| 06:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: tekojo is online |
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| 06:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | tekojo: morning :-) jonwil is about to add a comment to bug 8347, about data he needs to fix the bug. Could you have a look at it and see what's possible? |
| 06:48.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
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| 06:48.43 | tekojo | DocScrutinizer: sure, will take a look |
| 06:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | fine :-D many thanks |
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| 07:00.28 | jonwil | what is telepathy and why would wiring cbsms up to it be of value? |
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| 07:05.31 | jacekowski | jonwil: well, pretty much anything |
| 07:05.37 | jacekowski | jonwil: just question what is needed |
| 07:05.48 | SpeedEvil | telepathy is the undelying messaging framework |
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| 07:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: seen above? tekojo will support your request, as soon as you add it to sms-cb bug. |
| 07:09.14 | jonwil | I am adding it now |
| 07:09.25 | jonwil | the info on what I need and what would be nice to have |
| 07:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | the better detail this comment can give, the higher the chances somebody inside Nokia knows how to deal with it |
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| 07:11.13 | lcuk | jonwil, DocScrutinizer - actually the best way to deal with a limitation is to file a bug with the information in, most of my scrollback is gone but for the pings and I am not reading more. |
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| 07:11.43 | jonwil | ok, I am providing all the info I can |
| 07:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | no problem, thanks and good morning |
| 07:11.53 | lcuk | beds again |
| 07:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: it's about bug 8347 |
| 07:12.03 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 07:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil is tackling it, but needs some *.h and related stuff to implement a fix |
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| 07:12.59 | jonwil | comment added |
| 07:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: we all thought it would be nice this fix goes to telepathy |
| 07:14.31 | jonwil | basically the intent is to build a low-level library and plugin for the CSD daemon (so a libcbsms and a csd-cbsms) and then an upper level telepathy plugin/interface talking to that |
| 07:14.51 | jonwil | And then after that, a suitable UI plugin to display the Cell Broadcast messages |
| 07:14.57 | jonwil | e.g. status bar plugin |
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| 07:16.14 | jonwil | it would be possible to write something that bypasses the telephony stack and does everything manually or to reverse engineer the telephony stack but it would be better if it can be done the "right" way |
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| 07:18.15 | jonwil | Since the relavent area is open-source in MeeGo (via ofono) the chances of getting what I want seem greater than with things like BME that remain closed. |
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| 07:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | and as SMS-CB would/should get handled similar to normal point-to-point SMS (except when flag "popup" is set for the particular cell broadcast SMS) it's quite natural to implement it into the existing stack |
| 07:21.44 | jonwil | CBSMS (specifically the cell tower name/ID stuff) was supported on my moms old Nokia with B&W screen, its embarrasing that one of Nokia's flagship smartphones doesn't support it :) |
| 07:22.02 | jonwil | Although there are those that would debase the "flagship" comment :P |
| 07:24.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | agreed - actually I was about to push out a similar comment |
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| 07:26.27 | jonwil | Having this info would presumably also let other things be done to the SMS stack (for example, code to detect incoming SMSs from certain numbers and block them so the UI level never even knows the SMS arrived) |
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| 07:26.59 | jonwil | which was IIRC a request in bug 10870 |
| 07:27.00 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10870 Open source libsms and libsms-utils |
| 07:27.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's almost fraud to sell a Nokia phone at more than twice the price of my y2k Nokia 6210, and it doesn't support things that were standard on that old featurephone. Just for a 'we don't need that' and without any rationale why N900 can't support them |
| 07:27.14 | mece | mornin' |
| 07:28.02 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, ? |
| 07:28.18 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, that doesn't sound like you... |
| 07:28.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | mece: huh? |
| 07:28.40 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, the rant. |
| 07:28.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah I'm famous for my rant |
| 07:28.56 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, was rather unlike you. Did I miss something interesting? |
| 07:29.40 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, yeah you rant, but that one sounded strangely non-technical |
| 07:29.44 | mece | :) |
| 07:29.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | mece: check bug 8347 |
| 07:29.50 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 07:30.40 | jacekowski | we don't need cbsms |
| 07:31.03 | jonwil | Lots of people want that feature |
| 07:31.06 | jonwil | including me |
| 07:31.16 | jonwil | well I dont know about "lots" |
| 07:31.19 | jonwil | but people want it |
| 07:31.22 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, interesting. |
| 07:31.23 | jacekowski | what for |
| 07:31.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: you don't need electricity |
| 07:31.28 | mece | LOL |
| 07:31.37 | jacekowski | i still don't see any real use case for cbsms |
| 07:31.53 | jonwil | My mobile network uses CBSMS to broadcast a tower ID/name |
| 07:32.00 | mece | jacekowski, spam? |
| 07:32.10 | jonwil | all 3 of my previous phones supported displaying this tower ID/name on the home screen |
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| 07:32.22 | jonwil | as well as phones owned by my family |
| 07:32.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: home zone notification, desaster alerts |
| 07:32.47 | jonwil | Yeah the government around here was talking about using SMS alerts for disaster notifications for fires and floods and stuff |
| 07:32.59 | jonwil | for evacuations etc |
| 07:33.12 | mece | hee sounds like something that would be fun to hack :D |
| 07:34.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | mece: as hard to hack as the obscure free calls on GSM |
| 07:35.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course you can set up your own BTS tower and override the 'official' one |
| 07:35.32 | jonwil | point is CBSMS is not as useless as many people claim :P |
| 07:35.37 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, My own tower, with blackjack, and hookers! |
| 07:36.28 | mece | Wow I haven't been to bugs.maemo.org in ages it appears. |
| 07:36.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, talk to Harald welte about openBB |
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| 07:36.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | I bet he likes the hookers idea |
| 07:37.28 | mece | DocScrutinizer51, well the next bit in that quote would be "in fact forget the blackjack and the tower" |
| 07:37.29 | mece | :) |
| 07:37.32 | mece | bender |
| 07:37.32 | ShadowJK | One operator here offered cheap rates in your home zone, and cell broadcast was used (I think?) to indicate what zone you are in |
| 07:38.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly |
| 07:38.12 | mece | Well, perhaps it will get fixed :) |
| 07:38.24 | mece | somehow |
| 07:38.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | O2 Germany does exactly that |
| 07:38.59 | jonwil | Let me add a comment with some of the "use cases" for CBSMS and why it would be good to havde |
| 07:39.35 | mece | wtf .ico files? Stupid windows. |
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| 07:40.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: that's why they broadcast Gauss-Wegener coords of the BTS on CBC221. That's used to calculate if terminat is inside homezone - calculation for display done in SAT |
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| 07:41.44 | mece | Grr, why doesn't qt creator respect my authoritah |
| 07:42.01 | Termana | good morning |
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| 07:42.18 | phrearch | hey |
| 07:42.34 | mece | Mornin' Termana |
| 07:42.36 | phrearch | are there any tweaks to further speed up the n900? |
| 07:42.40 | phrearch | hi |
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| 07:43.09 | mece | phrearch, what kind of speed are we talking about? |
| 07:43.13 | phrearch | im running chromium on the n900 with a websocket app im working on. wondering whether i can speed it up a bit for a demo |
| 07:43.40 | ShadowJK | Yeah, don't use javascript ;-) |
| 07:43.49 | kerio | hahaha |
| 07:43.50 | phrearch | besides optimalisations on the webpart, the first thing im thinking of is to increase cpu speed |
| 07:43.52 | phrearch | yea :) |
| 07:44.00 | phrearch | bit difficult with websockets though |
| 07:44.09 | kerio | can you afford another n900? |
| 07:44.17 | kerio | if you can, overclock this one |
| 07:44.22 | phrearch | not really :) |
| 07:44.27 | kerio | then you're screwed |
| 07:44.30 | kerio | use a computer |
| 07:45.19 | mece | phrearch, well, you can disable stuff like automagical email checking so it won't interrupt you. But other than that, I dunno really. |
| 07:45.30 | jonwil | Posted some use-cases for CBSMS |
| 07:45.33 | jonwil | in the bug |
| 07:45.34 | mece | phrearch, remove widgets |
| 07:45.34 | phrearch | i always used some queen baecon script in combination with kernel-power, but thats not working anymore |
| 07:46.01 | mece | phrearch, so you already oveclocked it? |
| 07:46.02 | phrearch | ehm, i only have some desktop icons |
| 07:46.11 | phrearch | mece: before the upgrade to 1.3 yes |
| 07:46.19 | phrearch | cant help it :) |
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| 07:46.55 | phrearch | i installed swappolube which made the animations go a bit faster. |
| 07:47.23 | mece | phrearch, well people are still overclocking so just search tmo for help on that. |
| 07:47.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | increasing CPU clock for a demo is evil cheeting. You should DEcrease CPU clock for demos, to prove your app is not putting too much load on the system |
| 07:48.23 | mece | phrearch, if you just want ui to be quicker (as opposed to applications) just install transition control or whatever it's called and set everything to 0 or close to it. |
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| 07:49.15 | phrearch | mece: thanks for the tip. ill check the repos for it |
| 07:49.38 | phrearch | ah found it |
| 07:50.05 | mece | phrearch, just try some settings. You'll find ui feels a lot faster with fewer blur cycles. |
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| 07:53.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, and of course |
| 07:53.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~omap-oc |
| 07:53.23 | infobot | well, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 read that! |
| 07:53.24 | phrearch | hm, it doesnt end up in my app list |
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| 07:54.43 | phrearch | heh, yea i probably should leave it as it is |
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| 07:59.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | phrearch: checked settings? |
| 08:00.12 | phrearch | i couldnt find the transition control app |
| 08:00.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | phrearch: checked settings? |
| 08:01.49 | phrearch | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:02.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | the settings app |
| 08:02.39 | jonwil | Lets hope someone can respond to my comment on bug 8347 :) |
| 08:02.40 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 08:03.06 | jonwil | or if not that someone can reverse engineer the needed interfaces :) |
| 08:03.14 | phrearch | yea, i went through the settings some times. what should i look for? |
| 08:03.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | tekojo said he'll look into it and see what can be done, jonwil |
| 08:03.35 | jonwil | ok, great |
| 08:04.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | phrearch: I thought the transitions might show up there |
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| 08:04.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | for a wild guess |
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| 08:05.16 | SpeedEvil | Let's all go and vote for bug 8347! |
| 08:05.24 | SpeedEvil | Creating a bugzilla account is fun! |
| 08:05.28 | mece | voted already |
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| 08:06.02 | SpeedEvil | I said creating a bugzilla account is fun. |
| 08:06.05 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 08:06.12 | mece | LOL |
| 08:06.16 | jonwil | voted |
| 08:06.19 | mece | is slow |
| 08:06.42 | phrearch | hm, brb |
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| 08:22.53 | phrearch | hm couldnt find it in settings |
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| 08:23.13 | phrearch | ah found it |
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| 08:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | phrearch: yeah, needs a reboot or whatever to show up in applauncher |
| 08:30.28 | phrearch | ok, ive set all of those settings in there to 5. seems a bit more responsive |
| 08:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | btw thanks, I managed to install it finally, and so speeded up my mhd flying windows in taskswitcher a bit |
| 08:33.17 | phrearch | ow, that swappolube app also makes some difference |
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| 08:34.06 | phrearch | i also tried qcpufreq to speed up to 1000, just for this chromium webapp demo |
| 08:34.26 | phrearch | its quite a difference, but i wont make it default |
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| 08:37.21 | phrearch | trick is to make a theme that shows fine on both a 5 inch screen and a 24 inch |
| 08:38.36 | phrearch | doesnt the n900 send an iphone user agent? |
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| 08:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 08:40.23 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 08:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | at least microb doesn't |
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| 08:41.26 | phrearch | hm, checking |
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| 08:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, if that webapp needs OC to not suck, then it sucks nevertheless |
| 08:42.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - OC can be viable to prove something as a POC. |
| 08:42.42 | SpeedEvil | But if it needs it permenantly |
| 08:43.15 | phrearch | yea, i want to show that a websocket cms can run fine on a mobile as well |
| 08:43.39 | phrearch | chromium is the only browser that supports it atm, and i need it to be a bit responsive for the poc |
| 08:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | you can't expect users to OC just to run a silly webapp. If that's a stopgap to show off a PoC and you plan to improve it later, then it might be OK (tgough you should be very clear about why it's that slow now and what can be done to speed it up later that can't be done now) |
| 08:44.55 | phrearch | sure, its just for a demo |
| 08:45.40 | phrearch | users want to have something visual. it doesnt do much if i say that it could run in theory on a mobile phone |
| 08:46.04 | phrearch | afaik, only the iphone supports websockets besides n900 chromium |
| 08:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | your OC'd PoC is cheating nevertheless, unless you *know for sure* you can speed it up by at least factor 3 later |
| 08:47.38 | jacekowski | websockets? |
| 08:47.41 | phrearch | the mobile version is just for the eyecandy :p |
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| 08:47.57 | phrearch | its meant for desktops in the first place |
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| 08:48.16 | phrearch | but its cool to see it works fine, even without oc |
| 08:49.04 | jacekowski | fennec doesn't support websockets? |
| 08:50.17 | phrearch | i think mozilla is a bit cautious with websockets atm. there was a proxy security problem with websockets |
| 08:50.20 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 08:50.23 | phrearch | read proxy problem |
| 08:50.24 | jacekowski | firefox sucks as i said |
| 08:50.47 | phrearch | yea, i prefer webkit based browsers |
| 08:50.47 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 08:50.52 | RST38h | HELO gentlemen |
| 08:51.21 | jacekowski | EHLO |
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| 08:53.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | moin RST38h |
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| 09:00.34 | SpeedEvil | continues to be annoyed at the lack of biweekly alarms |
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| 09:05.20 | mece | SpeedEvil, nonono, the problem is not the device, but you, who require such unruly alarm times. You should change your schedule instead :P |
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| 09:14.09 | SpeedEvil | Actually, my bin collection times. |
| 09:16.21 | frals | sync a calendar event that is biweekly and has a reminder set ;D |
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| 09:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | the database allegedly supports biweekly |
| 09:20.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, seen my questions in mhd? |
| 09:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | alarmed also should |
| 09:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | yep, but thinking about it |
| 09:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | I see the purpose, but I'm still pondering the exact requirements |
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| 09:22.07 | MohammadAG | i was thinking of a state file first |
| 09:22.12 | MohammadAG | but that's stupid |
| 09:22.25 | MohammadAG | (if file is present, hostmode is active) |
| 09:22.41 | MohammadAG | then i thought of a_host and a_idle, only states with hostmode atm |
| 09:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | not really, given the fact h-e-n will go jrbme to manage hostmode in kernel |
| 09:23.18 | MohammadAG | when? |
| 09:23.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | 26? |
| 09:23.43 | MohammadAG | ah, so jrbme is ready? |
| 09:24.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | kinda |
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| 09:24.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a collection of pieces that need integration |
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| 09:26.44 | vi_ | hi |
| 09:26.56 | vi_ | how do I report bugs with titans power kernel? |
| 09:27.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | and when that's done then h-e-n gui should actually search for a var/run/jrbme file |
| 09:27.06 | MohammadAG | poke titan |
| 09:27.16 | vi_ | How do I do that mo? |
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| 09:27.36 | vi_ | is he here? |
| 09:27.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | or simply invoke >jrbme status |
| 09:28.45 | vi_ | perhaps you pros could suggest the reason for the bug... |
| 09:29.06 | vi_ | I am runnning power kernel v42, it is great |
| 09:29.11 | vi_ | however... |
| 09:29.23 | haj | hey... one of my conversations shows not delivered icon.. and has been showing it for months.. i know the receiver gets my messages so id like to clear the status... any hints how to do so without clearing the conversation? |
| 09:30.17 | vi_ | With the -kernel power settings package installed the number of hardware wakeups goes insane and the kernel process bridge_work-que never goes to sleep. This anihalates battery power |
| 09:30.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | haj: same here. Seems a flaw in conversations app |
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| 09:30.37 | vi_ | haj: nothing you can do |
| 09:30.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | haj: I found no solution |
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| 09:31.02 | vi_ | without kernel power settings package installed the number of wakeups is normal |
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| 09:31.23 | vi_ | so one is forced to conclude that there is an error with kernel powersettings package |
| 09:31.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | haj: you should open a bug ticket against conversations |
| 09:32.01 | MohammadAG | i still think we should rewrite it |
| 09:32.26 | haj | okay.. annoying.. ill do that later. |
| 09:32.45 | MohammadAG | you might be able to edit the sqlite3 database manually |
| 09:32.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: what? |
| 09:32.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | conversations? |
| 09:32.57 | MohammadAG | Conversations |
| 09:32.59 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 09:33.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ack |
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| 09:33.36 | MohammadAG | it's telepathy |
| 09:33.55 | MohammadAG | which is documented a lot |
| 09:33.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | let's see what 8347 will yield. Maybe we see conversations to open up enough to fix things |
| 09:34.21 | MohammadAG | bug 8347 |
| 09:34.22 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 09:34.29 | MohammadAG | that? |
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| 09:34.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 09:34.40 | vi_ | bug 8347 |
| 09:34.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | read last comment by jonwil |
| 09:34.50 | MohammadAG | already requested |
| 09:35.35 | MohammadAG | remind me why notifications in microB aren't parented again... |
| 09:35.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | err wut? |
| 09:36.04 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: because microB is a bastard? |
| 09:36.23 | SpeedEvil | (actually, it's overall a good browser, I'm impressed) |
| 09:36.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, when notifications are parented to the window, they don't show outside it |
| 09:37.07 | MohammadAG | I got "bugs.maemo.org verified by VeriSign..." in XChat |
| 09:37.15 | MohammadAG | should only show in microB |
| 09:37.17 | MohammadAG | anyway |
| 09:37.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | hahahaha |
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| 09:37.45 | MohammadAG | that happens when a parent is NULL or 0 |
| 09:38.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | how would you set the parent window for a dbus notification call? |
| 09:38.51 | MohammadAG | it shouldn't be using dbus, that's shit coding if it does :P |
| 09:38.58 | MohammadAG | it should use libhildon1.h |
| 09:39.09 | MohammadAG | or whatever the notification header's called |
| 09:39.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, ok. anyway my question was honest |
| 09:39.36 | MohammadAG | hermes does it :) |
| 09:39.40 | MohammadAG | I know ;) |
| 09:39.59 | MohammadAG | I think notifications are parented in h-e-n |
| 09:40.03 | MohammadAG | might be mistaken |
| 09:40.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess the answer is 'you can't' ? |
| 09:40.19 | MohammadAG | with dbus, nope |
| 09:40.25 | MohammadAG | with the .h, yep |
| 09:40.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | k, time for breakfast, err brinner |
| 09:41.05 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 09:42.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:42.43 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: pong. Hmm interesting question. |
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| 09:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | hi Jaffa |
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| 10:01.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, btw, I noticed the stock mediaplayer does have keyboard shortcuts to seek |
| 10:01.23 | MohammadAG | hold the left/right arrow |
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| 10:05.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | hah, since when? in movies at least this doesn't work for me |
| 10:06.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | all it does is skip next/prev in playlist |
| 10:06.26 | jonwil | What bits of telepathy code is not open? |
| 10:06.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | or whatever that may be for movies |
| 10:06.37 | jonwil | Only important one I can find is telepathy-ring |
| 10:06.45 | jonwil | which I guess is the important one :) |
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| 10:07.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, yes it's important. But I never knew it's not open |
| 10:07.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
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| 10:07.41 | jonwil | its probably closed because it talks to closed things lower in the telephony stack |
| 10:08.08 | dotblank | ugh |
| 10:08.26 | dotblank | why does everyone have to use windows |
| 10:08.35 | dotblank | its such a pain to develop for |
| 10:08.48 | toresbe | Is there some kind of diagram of which parts of the maemo stack are open and which aren't? |
| 10:08.57 | BCMM | dotblank: do you have to use raw win32 or .net or something? |
| 10:09.14 | BCMM | by which i mean, it is a Qt platform after all... |
| 10:09.18 | dotblank | BCMM, raw win32 |
| 10:09.30 | dotblank | BCMM, but I wan't to use serial ports |
| 10:09.46 | jonwil | http://stskeeps.subnetmask.net/maemo.org/openness/pr1.1/ |
| 10:09.46 | dotblank | BCMM, and I want my code in native c.. no c++ |
| 10:09.55 | jonwil | That list might help a bit |
| 10:10.00 | jonwil | in terms of whats open and whats not |
| 10:10.18 | BCMM | dotblank: ah |
| 10:10.32 | dotblank | and i wrote it using autotools |
| 10:10.43 | dotblank | so my progarm will not run on windows it seems |
| 10:10.58 | dotblank | depends on glib |
| 10:11.06 | BCMM | dotblank: it's not the "right" answer, but cygwin? |
| 10:11.18 | dotblank | nah |
| 10:11.23 | dotblank | I know |
| 10:11.24 | jonwil | good luck getting glib to work on win32 |
| 10:11.31 | BCMM | dotblank: also, surely there is glib for windows? there is GTK for windows! |
| 10:11.35 | dotblank | glib should do fine on win32 |
| 10:11.37 | BCMM | or was that a typo for glibc? |
| 10:11.48 | dotblank | glibc would hard |
| 10:12.08 | RobbieThe1st | Really? http://gnuwin32.sourceforge.net/packages/glibc.htm |
| 10:12.11 | dotblank | its just setting up cross compiling can be hard with autotools |
| 10:12.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I actually tried it in a video |
| 10:12.19 | BCMM | well, that's what cygwin is for. but glib and GTK can run natively |
| 10:12.23 | MohammadAG | you should hold the keys to seek, press to skip/prev |
| 10:12.39 | MohammadAG | And I need my laptop, figured something out and need to try it :/ |
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| 10:15.24 | MohammadAG | ffs can't WoL :/ |
| 10:15.38 | dotblank | so I was all like "pssh crosscompiling programs in qt to windows will be easy in linux" |
| 10:15.55 | MohammadAG | Right... |
| 10:15.56 | dotblank | that didn't go so well |
| 10:16.04 | MohammadAG | I spent two hours recompiling Qt on windows |
| 10:16.21 | dotblank | so I'm like "I'll just install a windows VM" then the XP vm bluescreens on install.... |
| 10:16.25 | MohammadAG | to use static linking, since windows has nothing like debs |
| 10:16.38 | MohammadAG | don't feel too bad |
| 10:16.51 | MohammadAG | I got a BSOD on a new out-of-the-box netbook |
| 10:16.55 | dotblank | building window targets is such a pain |
| 10:16.57 | MohammadAG | first boot too |
| 10:17.29 | MohammadAG | i wonder if groove would build for the N8... |
| 10:17.51 | dotblank | its easier for me to cross compile to linux on arm and sparc and ppc then it is to compile code for windows |
| 10:18.11 | dotblank | well as long os Qt works and phonon |
| 10:18.12 | MohammadAG | same :P |
| 10:18.22 | MohammadAG | you use phonon? |
| 10:18.35 | dotblank | yea but I had to kinda hack it a bit |
| 10:18.48 | dotblank | was thinking of sticking native pulse support |
| 10:18.52 | dotblank | or use libao |
| 10:19.17 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 10:19.24 | MohammadAG | phonon apps have a lib |
| 10:19.28 | MohammadAG | so it would compile |
| 10:19.33 | MohammadAG | but there's no backend |
| 10:19.52 | dotblank | gstreamer? |
| 10:20.01 | MohammadAG | on S60 |
| 10:20.23 | dotblank | hmm I wonder if libao would work with that |
| 10:20.44 | dotblank | maybe I should actually qrite it for Qt::multimedia |
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| 10:22.39 | dotblank | my laughably simple c program is the most pain in the world to port |
| 10:22.42 | dotblank | http://dotblank.selfip.com:7405/ |
| 10:22.51 | dotblank | thats it running |
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| 10:28.04 | BCMM | dotblank: either you have a horrible upstream, or most of ##maemo is really, really interested in that link |
| 10:28.09 | BCMM | cause it doesn't load |
| 10:28.26 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:30.02 | BCMM | where did i get that extra # from? |
| 10:31.14 | jonwil | thankfully we dont need the source code to the messaging app (rtcom-messaging-ui) to implement Cell Broadcast, god that thing has a LOT of dependancies :P |
| 10:32.55 | OkropNick | hi all. anyone can help me to setup pulseaudio in N900 to support multiple sounds at one time? |
| 10:34.19 | BCMM | oh why oh why does maemo (and everything else) use pulse? |
| 10:36.44 | MohammadAG | everything else can have pulse replaced |
| 10:36.47 | MohammadAG | maemo can't |
| 10:37.10 | OkropNick | I don't know, but I can't complain |
| 10:37.24 | MohammadAG | jonwil, we might rewrite conversations, if you're interested |
| 10:38.09 | BCMM | MohammadAG: why is maemo more stuck with pulse than other distros are? |
| 10:38.11 | jonwil | conversations being the messaging app? |
| 10:38.28 | jonwil | maemo cant have pulse replaced because of all the binaries that link to pulse |
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| 10:39.03 | BCMM | same with plenty of distros, surely? |
| 10:39.04 | MohammadAG | BCMM, cause it's 53% closed |
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| 10:39.10 | BCMM | ah, i see |
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| 10:39.24 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yes |
| 10:39.29 | jonwil | my first goal anyway is to implement a CSD plugin for cbsms |
| 10:39.36 | jonwil | somehow |
| 10:39.46 | MohammadAG | good luck :) |
| 10:39.56 | BCMM | i'm not sure those other distros can have pulse removed without basically creating a derivative distro with everything built without it |
| 10:40.16 | MohammadAG | they'd switch to alsa afaik |
| 10:40.37 | jonwil | There is bug 8347 and if that doesn't go anywhere then someone did offer to reverse engineer some things for me... |
| 10:40.39 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 10:40.59 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, saw that |
| 10:41.09 | mschlens | dumb question: What's wrong with pulse? |
| 10:41.26 | MohammadAG | it's retarded on maemo, waste of resources |
| 10:42.18 | jonwil | I think we are more likely to succeed with 8347 than with other opening requests like GPS or BME that are genuinely sensitive. |
| 10:42.30 | jonwil | telephony stack is not sensitive AFAIK, not with ofono out there |
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| 10:42.34 | BCMM | what's it even for on maemo? aren't the headphones socket and big speakers and not-hands-free speakers all outputs of the same card which you can switch between by fiddling with a mixer anyway? |
| 10:43.04 | BCMM | oh, overkill way of ensuring a smooth switchover to bluetooth? |
| 10:43.23 | BCMM | no, somebody said the bluetooth chip does that in hardware, and is also fed from the same sound card |
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| 10:44.47 | alterego | It is |
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| 10:46.04 | BCMM | so what does pulse do that plain ALSA (with dmix) wouldn't? |
| 10:46.35 | alterego | Has controls for routing between the different possible outputs. |
| 10:46.42 | BCMM | maemo doesn't even seem to use per-app volume control much, since i've noticed music getting louder when it turns the speaker up to play a "new email" alert |
| 10:46.44 | alterego | Manages volume levels |
| 10:46.46 | SpeedEvil | And can send audio over the network. |
| 10:46.57 | BCMM | alterego: yeah, i mean what is it doing, on maemo, that plain ALSA wouldn't? |
| 10:47.07 | SpeedEvil | And does all sorts of cool stuff that has been ignored in maemo |
| 10:47.12 | alterego | call audio compression |
| 10:47.19 | BCMM | given that the n900 appears to have hardware for routing between all the outputs |
| 10:48.11 | BCMM | alterego: christ, surely there are tiny, cheap chips that do that for 1/10th of the power consumption? |
| 10:48.29 | OkropNick | I figured it out. Pulseaudio @ N900 supports multiple sounds @ one time, but default player disable this feature to not disturb during music listening. Playing music by terminal mplayer is not disabling other sounds |
| 10:48.48 | alterego | Probably, and don't call me Shierley :P |
| 10:48.50 | BCMM | alsa supports multiple streams at once too... |
| 10:49.50 | BCMM | alterego: did you actually mean that pulse is responsible for encoding stuff to GSM codecs? |
| 10:50.20 | BCMM | why doesn't the cell modem thing do that for itself? |
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| 10:51.31 | alterego | I think it's offloaded to dsp, actually handled in gstreamer |
| 10:52.57 | BCMM | still, that isn't a good reason to put everything through pulse |
| 10:53.10 | BCMM | and it's still gonna use cycles just... being pulseaudio |
| 10:53.21 | SpeedEvil | err - no |
| 10:53.28 | SpeedEvil | the cellmo does the GSM coding |
| 10:53.45 | SpeedEvil | It takes in digitised audio |
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| 10:58.15 | chem|st | ~flashing |
| 10:58.15 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:58.29 | alterego | chem|st: thanks for the pimping on tmo ;) |
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| 11:07.01 | jonwil | suspects the answer from Nokia for anything to do with telephony on the N900 is going to be "use ofono" even though its not possible to use ofono without loss of functionality |
| 11:07.38 | RST38h | jonwil: but that is your problem not Nokia's |
| 11:07.46 | chem|st | alterego: you mean linking from brainstorm and stuff? |
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| 11:08.38 | alterego | chem|st: yeah :) |
| 11:08.45 | jonwil | Thats why they invented IDA pro :P Although I wish I could afford that fancy version with the ARM decompiler... |
| 11:08.58 | chem|st | alterego: I got a few minutes spare as I am waiting for a technician and thought I might use that to clean up a bit too, still stuck at points where I got no access to I requested a year ago |
| 11:09.24 | alterego | chem|st: what points are those? |
| 11:09.29 | chem|st | alterego: brainstorm |
| 11:09.37 | alterego | I've got a spare day, I was actually going to work on Columbus |
| 11:09.58 | chem|st | alterego: have you got a source for nautical maps? |
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| 11:10.26 | alterego | No, they're all closed as far as I can ascertain :/ |
| 11:10.40 | chem|st | yeah same here |
| 11:11.48 | alterego | I'll look into it in more detail when v1 is out of the door. |
| 11:12.04 | alterego | As v2 is the version that will integrate maps/charts |
| 11:14.21 | chem|st | I navigated through shallows by sonar only as the maps I had available where printed and quiet outdated (the satcom maps were far off up to date too), having the sonar change from 25m to 4m in a few seconds made me change course in seconds and you never know if it was the right direction to turn to... |
| 11:14.42 | alterego | Yeah :/ |
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| 11:15.30 | chem|st | loosing the bottom weight is about 200eur so I'd love to keep it :) |
| 11:16.13 | BCMM | "from 25m to 4m in a few seconds"? did you find the mast of a wreck? |
| 11:16.53 | chem|st | BCMM: clifflines |
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| 11:17.28 | BCMM | chem|st: presumably, that's a regular cliff, but underwater? |
| 11:18.21 | chem|st | BCMM: steepcoasts is another name |
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| 11:19.54 | chem|st | there are reefs underwater and if they are already mapped good but does not help if your maps are outdated |
| 11:20.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, alterego http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323?focusedCommentId=138019#comment-138019 |
| 11:22.04 | chem|st | the underwater landscape on clifflines change everyday, there is a 10m line about 50m off the cliff where it is very dangerous but in some cases the not even 100m are enough safety distance |
| 11:24.06 | SpeedEvil | Also - you have to beware of the kraken. |
| 11:24.11 | chem|st | 10m line means on the map is I line drawn showing there is less than 10m distance to ground |
| 11:24.14 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: anytime |
| 11:25.42 | frals | MohammadAG: did you install the *correct* debug symbols? should give a prettier backtrace ;o |
| 11:26.45 | MohammadAG | frals, hmm, Venemo traced it back to QApplication so I got libqt4-core-dbg |
| 11:26.48 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:26.54 | MohammadAG | should try libqt4-gui-dbg |
| 11:26.57 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 11:27.02 | frals | yeah |
| 11:27.10 | frals | since its in gui.so id go for gui-dbg |
| 11:27.22 | MohammadAG | yeah, but QApplication is in core afaik |
| 11:27.25 | MohammadAG | I could be wrong |
| 11:27.39 | MohammadAG | starts chroot |
| 11:27.42 | MohammadAG | libs don't fit on / |
| 11:27.50 | alterego | QApplication is QtGui |
| 11:27.51 | frals | qapp is gui i think, qcoreapp or smth is core |
| 11:27.56 | alterego | QCoreApplication is QtCore |
| 11:28.03 | alterego | :) |
| 11:28.04 | frals | what he said ^^^ |
| 11:28.16 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 11:28.22 | MohammadAG | btw, weird thing I noticed |
| 11:28.40 | MohammadAG | installing 109MBs takes ages on / |
| 11:28.48 | MohammadAG | or /opt |
| 11:28.52 | MohammadAG | yet in a chroot it's quick |
| 11:29.22 | alterego | Interesting |
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| 11:29.26 | MohammadAG | very |
| 11:29.35 | MohammadAG | the device doesn't even hang |
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| 11:29.59 | chem|st | is missing his little battlestar... |
| 11:30.00 | MohammadAG | also I'm getting a download speed of 400+ kbps in the chroot, while I get 30kbps outside it |
| 11:30.12 | MohammadAG | not sure how that's even related |
| 11:30.21 | MohammadAG | my apt cache lives in MyDocs |
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| 11:31.22 | alterego | Freaky |
| 11:31.52 | MohammadAG | and there goes my chroot |
| 11:31.58 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:34.45 | alterego | Hah, gutted :P |
| 11:36.30 | MohammadAG | Setting up libqt4-gui-dbg (4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5) ... |
| 11:36.31 | MohammadAG | real1m21.591s |
| 11:36.40 | MohammadAG | 1m21s isn't that bad, considering it's 109MBs |
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| 11:38.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, when installing -dbg packages, shouldn't running the app in gdb be enough? |
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| 11:40.04 | alterego | yeah |
| 11:40.15 | MohammadAG | (gdb) bt |
| 11:40.15 | MohammadAG | #0 0x407d41a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 |
| 11:40.15 | MohammadAG | #1 0x407d41a8 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libQtGui.so.4 |
| 11:40.16 | MohammadAG | Backtrace stopped: previous frame identical to this frame (corrupt stack?) |
| 11:40.16 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:40.42 | alterego | I dunno, I'm not that great with gdb to be honest :P |
| 11:40.48 | ThreeM | hmm |
| 11:41.10 | MohammadAG | neither am I, Qt creator's debugger ftw |
| 11:41.11 | ThreeM | any option to test the hardware of the N900? i have randrom crashes and cannot explain it to me |
| 11:41.19 | ThreeM | memtest or so?! |
| 11:41.34 | MohammadAG | overclocked? |
| 11:41.47 | ThreeM | nope |
| 11:41.57 | BCMM | ThreeM: what sort of crashes? |
| 11:42.02 | ThreeM | yesterday i faleshed the stock firmware again to prevent it |
| 11:42.22 | ThreeM | nokia logo apperas and hildon desktop is loading (4 animated dots) |
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| 11:43.26 | ThreeM | sometimes on mp3 playack happen. sometimes when i move to anoter desktop |
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| 11:43.38 | ThreeM | mean, i cannot repoduce the crash |
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| 11:44.40 | MohammadAG | you mean it reboots? |
| 11:44.47 | ThreeM | yes |
| 11:44.48 | alterego | Funny, Qt coding competition, port your Qt app to MeeGo or Symbian to win cash blah |
| 11:45.02 | alterego | There's apps in there that were written for mobile from scratch, maybe I should enter Columbus |
| 11:45.05 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 11:45.08 | ThreeM | but the device dont ask fo pincode again. just restart |
| 11:45.29 | alterego | Also, how are they targetting MeeGo Handset when there's nothing proper to target yet :D |
| 11:45.46 | MohammadAG | cat /proc/bootreason when it happens |
| 11:46.23 | ThreeM | olny one entry: 32wd to |
| 11:46.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, they expect you to have leaks duh |
| 11:46.43 | frals | alterego: meego handset 1.1 is released, no? ;) |
| 11:46.49 | MohammadAG | that's the watchdog |
| 11:46.58 | alterego | Yes |
| 11:47.03 | alterego | Not exactly the point, |
| 11:47.10 | MohammadAG | ahem |
| 11:47.14 | MohammadAG | it sucks :) |
| 11:47.25 | alterego | We don't have Qt Components and Qt doesn't have a meego theming backend. |
| 11:47.54 | alterego | In theory this wouldn't effect an app that used it's own custom widgets, but for things like menubars etc. |
| 11:48.01 | alterego | What do they expect us to dop. |
| 11:48.09 | ThreeM | MohammadAG Watchdog = the deamon to log reboots? |
| 11:48.15 | MohammadAG | no |
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| 11:48.25 | MohammadAG | it's a hardware watchdog |
| 11:48.42 | MohammadAG | if you're on PR1.3 and it happens |
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| 11:48.52 | MohammadAG | I suggest getting a replacement |
| 11:49.02 | ThreeM | for the device? |
| 11:49.08 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:49.11 | ThreeM | damn |
| 11:49.22 | MohammadAG | it's the CPU |
| 11:49.43 | MohammadAG | sure you never OC'd to some ridiculously large number? |
| 11:49.57 | alterego | I wonder if they'll accept a Maemo application as an entry that is written in Qt |
| 11:50.11 | alterego | With the promise, I promise to port it to MeeGo when it becomes viable :D |
| 11:50.11 | MohammadAG | of course they will |
| 11:50.12 | ThreeM | never touched the hardware. stock clocktime, nothing overclocked |
| 11:50.33 | MohammadAG | I'd vote for columbus :) |
| 11:51.53 | lardman | alterego: supposedly they should just work (TM) |
| 11:51.59 | alterego | Also, the runner up prizes are N900s |
| 11:52.04 | alterego | Which seems odd. |
| 11:52.12 | lardman | hmm, I need one of those, perhaps I should put mBarcode in :) |
| 11:52.23 | alterego | But if Quim is going to take an age replying to my email, it might be a good solution ;) |
| 11:52.23 | frals | i wonder if fmms qualifies? |
| 11:52.42 | frals | need a new n900, this one is flimsy :< |
| 11:52.45 | MohammadAG | it's not Qt :P |
| 11:52.51 | SpeedEvil | fmms certainly should! |
| 11:52.58 | alterego | frals: probably, but they say MeeGo/Symbian and fMMS is only useful on Maemo really :P |
| 11:53.04 | frals | ah doh, needs to be Qt... |
| 11:53.09 | alterego | Yes, needs to be Qt |
| 11:53.23 | MohammadAG | you could always rewrite it and hope for faster startup time :P |
| 11:53.26 | frals | should maybe do a QML UI |
| 11:53.29 | frals | yeah... no |
| 11:53.33 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 11:53.44 | frals | i read something iabout pyqt and qml working nicely |
| 11:53.50 | frals | but maybe that waas just me dreaming? |
| 11:54.05 | MohammadAG | QML = loss of consistency in the UI :/ |
| 11:54.19 | frals | QML = supermeganice to write ui in |
| 11:54.19 | MohammadAG | (OS & app) |
| 11:55.11 | alterego | frals: depends what nicely means. |
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| 11:55.25 | alterego | frals: probably nice to code, but startup times for PyQt are horrendous. |
| 11:55.44 | frals | doh :) |
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| 11:56.20 | EsEhAr | hell everybody |
| 11:56.35 | MohammadAG | indeed |
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| 11:56.42 | MohammadAG | I'd stay away from PyQt :P |
| 11:57.05 | MohammadAG | ponders a C/GTK fMMS UI |
| 11:57.21 | EsEhAr | can anybody help me plz ? |
| 11:57.30 | MohammadAG | ~ask |
| 11:57.31 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 11:57.47 | frals | MohammadAG: unfortunately the UI is coupled to lower layers of the stack atm |
| 11:58.01 | frals | i was planning to decouple it for real so i could write a qt ui but well |
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| 11:58.03 | MohammadAG | nice sentence at the end there infobot |
| 11:58.14 | frals | i got a paying job instead and havent had time since :P |
| 11:58.18 | MohammadAG | frals, you're here against your will then? :P |
| 11:58.26 | MohammadAG | "We are all here voluntarily or against our will." :P |
| 11:58.27 | EsEhAr | i am trying us sflphon with tls |
| 11:58.40 | EsEhAr | but after tls setting it just crash |
| 11:58.44 | EsEhAr | ? |
| 11:58.44 | frals | MohammadAG: yeah, damn irssi autojoins here on connect still |
| 11:58.47 | frals | ;-) |
| 11:59.06 | MohammadAG | :P |
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| 11:59.28 | MohammadAG | reminds me of an efnet(?) channel, I think it was #itsatrap |
| 11:59.36 | MohammadAG | you can't /part it |
| 12:00.28 | EsEhAr | is it configurable on n900 with maemo5 ? |
| 12:07.25 | lardman | is what configurable? |
| 12:07.40 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:07.51 | lardman | does sflphon not give you any output in the terminal? |
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| 12:07.57 | MohammadAG | wonders how to convert seconds to minutes with a XX:XX output |
| 12:08.09 | MohammadAG | 61 = 1:01 etc |
| 12:08.15 | MohammadAG | 01:01 actually |
| 12:08.37 | lardman | mod |
| 12:08.57 | RobbieThe1st | Mohammad: Minutes = round(origSeconds /60); Seconds = origSeconds-(Minutes*60) |
| 12:09.09 | alterego | MohammadAG: QTime has functions for that. |
| 12:09.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, that's for current time no? |
| 12:09.23 | frals | does round default to floor? |
| 12:09.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: nope. |
| 12:09.30 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, wait. |
| 12:09.32 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, hmm |
| 12:09.34 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, floor is what I want |
| 12:09.55 | MohammadAG | ffs |
| 12:10.03 | MohammadAG | I googled QTime and got forwarded to apple.com |
| 12:10.25 | RobbieThe1st | I've been using that for day/hour/minute/second output by doing that once for each output - Day=86400 seconds, Hour = 3600, Minute = 60 etc.. |
| 12:11.11 | alterego | QTime t(0, 0); t.addSecs(60 * 61); t.toString("hh:mm"); |
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| 12:11.32 | EsEhAr | lardman:sflphone for maemo5 |
| 12:11.43 | EsEhAr | no |
| 12:11.48 | lardman | whichever version you're talking about |
| 12:11.52 | EsEhAr | its works fine without tls |
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| 12:12.08 | MohammadAG | I'm assuming hh:mm is just a format and doesn't matter even if I'm using mm:ss? |
| 12:12.11 | lardman | I understand, what do you get if you start it from the term? |
| 12:12.12 | EsEhAr | but after setting tls and certificates , it just crashed on next startup |
| 12:12.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: exactly. |
| 12:12.33 | MohammadAG | and what's with the 60*61? :P |
| 12:13.14 | EsEhAr | didn't tried , starting from terminal |
| 12:13.18 | EsEhAr | let me try |
| 12:13.33 | MohammadAG | tests |
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| 12:14.50 | MohammadAG | I hate how the device suffocates when it receives a call |
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| 12:14.56 | RST38h | yea |
| 12:15.02 | frals | yeah |
| 12:15.08 | frals | its pretty annoying |
| 12:15.08 | lardman | esp if the call comes in while HAM is doing something ;) |
| 12:15.10 | RST38h | but a regular reboot fixes it |
| 12:15.26 | frals | nice thing is i get a few seconds response time before it starts making noise ;D |
| 12:15.28 | MohammadAG | isn't every 4h regular? |
| 12:15.38 | RST38h | sounds regular enough |
| 12:15.44 | RST38h | and you are still getting hiccups? |
| 12:16.10 | MohammadAG | I think something's wrong with my device |
| 12:17.17 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 12:18.41 | edheldil | Hi all, sorry for a flamebait, but it's meant honestly: are there any hints how open MeeGo will be?? |
| 12:19.32 | alterego | Interesting, is AGPS still working for everyone? |
| 12:19.45 | alterego | edheldil: ask in #meego |
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| 12:20.45 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.46 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.46 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:20.49 | MohammadAG | shouldn't that work fine? |
| 12:20.54 | lardman | edheldil: more so than Maemo |
| 12:20.58 | edheldil | well, since my friend (I too, but $$$ ..) is considering buying n900 with Maemo, I deem it appropriate here as well :) |
| 12:21.10 | frals | MohammadAG: what isnt working? |
| 12:21.16 | MohammadAG | I always get 00:00 |
| 12:21.27 | lardman | hmm, I'd probably wait as the N900 won't meet the Meego requirements re memory |
| 12:21.51 | alterego | lardman: ? |
| 12:21.52 | lardman | it should run, but one won't get official support |
| 12:21.57 | frals | is the snippet you pasted actually executed at some point? ;o |
| 12:22.00 | alterego | lardman: works fine what are you taking about? :P |
| 12:22.07 | lardman | alterego: Meego? |
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| 12:22.09 | MohammadAG | frals, every 1s |
| 12:22.11 | Termana | Did you hear that |
| 12:22.12 | alterego | lardman: yeah :P |
| 12:22.16 | Termana | Can of worms opening |
| 12:22.40 | lardman | well my N900 is broken, so perhaps it's all fixed now...? |
| 12:22.41 | Termana | alterego, technically the N900 no longer is compatible with the official requirements for MeeGo |
| 12:22.42 | RobbieThe1st | Let me just say that the N900 - even with Maemo - Is an -excellent- device. A few tweaks, and it will run -very- nicely, loads of performance and good Debian-based apps. |
| 12:22.43 | alterego | MohammadAG: sorry, addSecs returns a new QTime |
| 12:22.55 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 12:23.12 | MohammadAG | t = t.addSecs() should do |
| 12:23.15 | lardman | RobbieThe1st: it's a good device, but I would personally wait, that's all |
| 12:23.17 | alterego | Yes |
| 12:23.36 | alterego | I wouldn't, if you can afford it, get it! :D |
| 12:23.39 | RobbieThe1st | I mean... Any device that can handle -me- disassembling it and reassembling it more than once without breaking gets my vote. |
| 12:23.47 | alterego | The new device is at least 1/2 a year away imo |
| 12:23.52 | edheldil | RobbieThe1st: yes, that's the reason I love it. But the sad fact is that from a commercial development viewpoint it's a dead platform :((( |
| 12:24.00 | Termana | That doesn't really mean it won't run though, even if it isn't compatible with the official requirements |
| 12:24.09 | alterego | edheldil: who cares about commercial development? :P |
| 12:24.12 | alterego | You've got us :D |
| 12:24.13 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 12:24.21 | Termana | alterego, lol :P |
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| 12:24.39 | alterego | As we speak developers are working right now on apps for your beloved N900 |
| 12:24.45 | RobbieThe1st | Also, write your app in PyQt, and you'll have a nice portable app. |
| 12:24.47 | alterego | I am for one, I know MohammadAG is. |
| 12:24.59 | alterego | But last I checked we were the only two active Maemo developers (jk) |
| 12:25.16 | RST38h | [Desperation sets in] |
| 12:25.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, weren't we? |
| 12:25.30 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 12:25.35 | MohammadAG | isn't the dev count under 15? |
| 12:25.41 | alterego | Dunno |
| 12:25.49 | MohammadAG | active devs that is |
| 12:25.49 | RobbieThe1st | Depends on who you consider a developer |
| 12:25.56 | alterego | There are a few active devs. |
| 12:26.02 | alterego | Who are still releasing apps. |
| 12:26.09 | edheldil | the only 2 devs, but OS or app devs? |
| 12:26.11 | lardman | I was, until my N900 broke |
| 12:26.11 | MohammadAG | I don't consider an overclocking script or an aircracking script an app :P |
| 12:26.17 | alterego | RobbieThe1st: people that are still releasing projects. |
| 12:26.20 | MohammadAG | there are no OS devs :p |
| 12:26.33 | MohammadAG | for M5 at least |
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| 12:26.53 | alterego | Actually, there still are devs in Nokia working on M5 OS stuff |
| 12:27.04 | RST38h | alterego: there are? |
| 12:27.10 | alterego | So I heard. |
| 12:27.11 | edheldil | well, the author of Dorian has released new update only recently |
| 12:27.17 | RobbieThe1st | Well, I mean... I'm -technically- a dev, having released my own script/app which is in extras-devel. But I'm doing it for fun, not for money(etc) |
| 12:27.21 | alterego | Though nothing official so don't quote me :P |
| 12:27.45 | Termana | RobbieThe1st, alterego and MohammadAG haven't released/done anything for money yet either |
| 12:27.48 | sx0n | i think ovi suite is for windows too |
| 12:27.49 | MohammadAG | I'm not doing anything for money :P |
| 12:27.56 | Termana | No one has the balls enough |
| 12:28.04 | alterego | I'm doing it for fame and glory |
| 12:28.08 | edheldil | MohammadAG: lucky, I have to work :) |
| 12:28.09 | alterego | And chicks |
| 12:28.10 | MohammadAG | Termana, that'll be $100 |
| 12:28.14 | RobbieThe1st | :P |
| 12:28.16 | Termana | :p |
| 12:28.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, wrong platform |
| 12:28.21 | lardman | does it for the pleasure of making something useulf |
| 12:28.23 | RST38h | There is a thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=33974 |
| 12:28.28 | MohammadAG | please? $50 over IRC? |
| 12:28.29 | alterego | Rubbish, the N900 has more sex appeal than an iPhone :P |
| 12:28.40 | alterego | I see chicks checking me and my N900 out all the time. |
| 12:28.43 | MohammadAG | yeah, you can echo 255 into sysfs to start a vibrator |
| 12:28.49 | RobbieThe1st | XD |
| 12:28.54 | Termana | alterego, plus, it's 100x easier getting into the Top 10 apps |
| 12:28.54 | RST38h | (it has probably been invaded by lemmings by now, but anyway) |
| 12:28.59 | alterego | Either that or they're thinking, "He's to cheap for an iPhone, maybe that's why he's getting the bus everywhere" |
| 12:29.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, lol some people think I don't have an iPhone cause it's expensive |
| 12:29.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:29.34 | RST38h | alterego: Not metrosexual enough to own an iPhone! |
| 12:29.43 | MohammadAG | given that, the N900 did cost me 800 bucks... |
| 12:29.50 | RST38h | OMG |
| 12:29.56 | RST38h | .IL taxes? |
| 12:29.59 | alterego | RST38h: kind of, I guess I'm to hetro for Steve Jobs. |
| 12:30.03 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 12:30.07 | MohammadAG | tax was 34% |
| 12:30.11 | alterego | I want "Steve Jobs" to be a verb. |
| 12:30.14 | lardman | ouch |
| 12:30.19 | MohammadAG | I was optimistic to think they'd count it as a computer :P |
| 12:30.23 | frals | MohammadAG: 800USD? |
| 12:30.25 | RobbieThe1st | Heh; the only person I actually showed my N900 too simply shook his head and said "Devices these days...." when I pulled up a webpage, zoomed in on one part, and showed it to him. |
| 12:30.28 | MohammadAG | yes frals |
| 12:30.32 | edheldil | just to pop several pushed stack frames, is MeeGo going to be open, compared to Maemo? |
| 12:30.32 | frals | payed 600€ for mine thou |
| 12:30.33 | alterego | Or "Steve Job", I don't want a "Steve Job" |
| 12:30.40 | MohammadAG | PCs have a 17% tax, mobiles have a 34% one |
| 12:30.48 | alterego | edheldil: yes, much more open, though still with a few closed areas. |
| 12:30.50 | MohammadAG | frals, from amazon.com, it was 530 bucks I think |
| 12:30.53 | RST38h | Mohammad: + the VAT, right? |
| 12:30.55 | MohammadAG | the rest was for the government |
| 12:31.03 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 12:31.04 | frals | 600€ from nokia.se ;( |
| 12:31.13 | MohammadAG | you didn't pay tax frals :p |
| 12:31.24 | RobbieThe1st | I'm just glad I paid $315 shipped...(Used, admittedly) |
| 12:31.25 | EsEhAr | lardman:its failing |
| 12:31.38 | Termana | I got my one for $600 AUD |
| 12:31.38 | EsEhAr | saying Error: org.sflphone.gtk |
| 12:31.45 | Termana | Now they are $350 AUD on Amazon |
| 12:31.47 | Termana | (new) |
| 12:31.47 | jonwil | do I get to call myself a dev if I am working on cell broadcast support? :P |
| 12:31.53 | lardman | EsEhAr: pastebin the output |
| 12:31.55 | alterego | edheldil: and a few unknowns at the moment, as a vendor can in theory release a very "closed" device, but all the OS middleware has to be compatible with official meego APIs so there's nothing stopping you from implementing replacements for anything, and the meego community (edition) is completely FOSS except for a few closed device drivers. |
| 12:31.56 | RST38h | BTW, anyone knows if 3G will work if only one of two frequencies is supported by the provider? |
| 12:31.56 | lardman | ~pastebin |
| 12:31.56 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 12:32.04 | MohammadAG | jonwil, yes, you seem here to stay :p |
| 12:32.06 | Termana | jonwil, no, you get to call yourself a crazy man |
| 12:32.12 | RST38h | I.e. 2100MHz supported but not the second frequency (1700 or 1900) |
| 12:32.12 | MohammadAG | that too |
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| 12:32.32 | alterego | bbiafm |
| 12:32.54 | Termana | RST38h, of course |
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| 12:33.36 | jonwil | Having just spent $500 on my new N900, I dont plan on buying another phone anytime soon. So I intend to stay here for quite a while doing software dev for this beast :P |
| 12:33.40 | RST38h | I.e. one band is enough? |
| 12:33.46 | Termana | RST38h, yes |
| 12:33.58 | edheldil | thank you for the info. |
| 12:34.34 | jonwil | I just wish I had the ARM assembly and linux-eabi knowledge to reverse engineer stuff :( |
| 12:34.42 | lardman | I suppose I was considering it only as a piece of hw rather than a phone to be used, I guess I might well buy one to use day to day as Android is really annoying |
| 12:34.49 | MohammadAG | sometimes, I feel like introducing the N900 to a brick wall |
| 12:34.56 | lardman | jonwil: what are you using atm? |
| 12:35.09 | RST38h | Alternatives are still worse. |
| 12:35.14 | jonwil | What do you mean what am I using? My N900 is my primary phone. |
| 12:35.28 | lardman | no I mean to reverse engineer |
| 12:35.30 | Termana | MohammadAG, you could make it a part of a wall |
| 12:35.31 | lardman | objdump? |
| 12:35.36 | jonwil | IDA is what I have |
| 12:35.45 | lardman | IDA is nice |
| 12:35.49 | jonwil | although I wish I had the fancy new $$$$$$$$$$ ARM decompiler tool |
| 12:35.52 | Termana | MohammadAG, Brick vs N900 - makes no difference to the wall |
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| 12:36.12 | lardman | there was a piece of Python code which would convert into pseudo code to interface with that |
| 12:36.33 | lardman | or rather would interface with IDA and convert the assembly into pseudo code |
| 12:36.44 | MohammadAG | Termana, I want a new N900 in the shower, care to donate one? |
| 12:37.20 | Termana | MohammadAG, just hold on a second while I go grab some money off my money tree that's growing out the back |
| 12:38.01 | lardman | wonders what that code was called, had something to do with swimming I thought |
| 12:38.03 | MohammadAG | get me a money seed |
| 12:40.01 | MohammadAG | lardman, ever worked with mafw? |
| 12:42.31 | MohammadAG | wonders how to get song length |
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| 12:47.27 | lardman | MohammadAG: nope |
| 12:47.30 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Check gpodder source. |
| 12:47.59 | lardman | mmmm, bacon roll for lunch |
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| 12:48.40 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, isn't that python? |
| 12:48.58 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yes, but functions should be the same? |
| 12:49.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | 800$? Hell, I paid 620EUR |
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| 12:50.48 | MohammadAG | I still paid more, given the exchange rate at that time :P |
| 12:50.55 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, true that |
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| 12:52.08 | thp | MohammadAG: mafw.py :) it's all d-bus, so you could just "translate" it into whatever dbus binding you use |
| 12:52.28 | MohammadAG | I'm using mafw headers :P |
| 12:53.29 | thp | MohammadAG: on metadata changed signal with "duration" as key |
| 12:53.49 | MohammadAG | oh so it's part of duration |
| 12:53.52 | MohammadAG | cool :D |
| 12:53.54 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 12:54.04 | MohammadAG | s/duration/metadata-changed |
| 12:54.13 | MohammadAG | slaps self, 5 hours of sleep don't do well |
| 12:54.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: next h-e-n gui needs a donate button in the menu ;-) |
| 12:54.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw 5h are just enough |
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| 12:59.37 | MohammadAG | reboots N900, practically unusable |
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| 13:00.55 | lardman | jonwil: so anyway, what problems do you have with IDA Pro? |
| 13:01.06 | EsEhAr | lardman: this is the output |
| 13:01.10 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.11 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:01.12 | jonwil | nothing, its a great disassembler |
| 13:01.13 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.21 | lardman | EsEhAr: no! |
| 13:01.22 | MohammadAG | :/ |
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| 13:01.28 | lardman | NO NO! |
| 13:01.30 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:01.33 | MohammadAG | lardman, too late |
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| 13:01.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, quiet ^ |
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| 13:01.47 | MohammadAG | or kick :) |
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| 13:02.00 | alterego | O_O |
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| 13:02.03 | MohammadAG | this channel needs more ops |
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| 13:02.11 | Robot101 | would volunteer... |
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| 13:02.12 | MohammadAG | dude, quit |
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| 13:02.16 | alterego | too |
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| 13:02.19 | Robot101 | who has ops? DocScrutinizer51? |
| 13:02.21 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.21 | MohammadAG | would request |
| 13:02.23 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | EsEhAr: STOP IT°!!! |
| 13:02.25 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DocScrutinizer51 ! |
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| 13:02.30 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: just +q him |
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| 13:02.32 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, he can't, started paste |
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| 13:02.39 | lardman | EsEhAr: I specifically said to pastebin the output |
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| 13:02.43 | *** mode/#maemo [-v EsEhAr] by DocScrutinizer |
| 13:02.44 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.46 | jonwil | nothing wrong with IDA other than the fact that I cant afford the version with the ARM decompiler |
| 13:02.47 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.51 | MohammadAG | dude |
| 13:02.51 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.52 | MohammadAG | +q |
| 13:02.53 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:02.57 | lardman | jonwil: ah I see |
| 13:02.57 | EsEhAr | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:02.58 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: its not +m, you can't -v him |
| 13:02.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+q EsEhAr!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 13:03.05 | Robot101 | thats the one |
| 13:03.05 | Robot101 | :D |
| 13:03.06 | MohammadAG | right |
| 13:03.11 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:03.15 | lardman | phew, thanks chaps |
| 13:03.22 | MohammadAG | lardman, he did pastebin |
| 13:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | WTF! |
| 13:03.28 | MohammadAG | then he copied the paste from pastebin |
| 13:03.32 | lardman | lol |
| 13:03.35 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 13:03.35 | MohammadAG | fail concept of pastebin |
| 13:03.37 | Robot101 | :D |
| 13:03.42 | MohammadAG | that's why there are line numbers |
| 13:03.49 | jonwil | Still no closer to understanding the blackbox that is the csd daemon :P |
| 13:04.01 | MohammadAG | jonwil, channel logs won't help |
| 13:04.04 | MohammadAG | ;) |
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| 13:04.29 | Khertan__ | Morning everyone ! |
| 13:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | btw I knew it's +q, but I didn't know what konversation meant with context menu "unvoice" |
| 13:04.48 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 13:04.53 | Khertan__ | Hero of the day: jonwil, for finding meego-mce sources <<< huhu nice |
| 13:04.59 | jonwil | yeah that was me |
| 13:05.11 | jonwil | There is now an open bug asking for the Fremantle MCE sources |
| 13:05.17 | jonwil | no response from anyone yet though |
| 13:05.17 | Khertan__ | :) |
| 13:05.20 | MohammadAG | the day's over, pleas leave now, you're no longer our hero |
| 13:05.29 | MohammadAG | next hero please |
| 13:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: that will take weeks at least |
| 13:05.32 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 13:05.44 | MohammadAG | s/weeks/decades/ |
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| 13:06.00 | Khertan__ | jonwil: will takes month ... time to be upscale to lawyer ... and go down |
| 13:06.04 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 13:06.24 | MohammadAG | no hero for the day? pfft |
| 13:06.24 | jonwil | puts "corporate lawyers" on the list of things that should never have been invented |
| 13:06.57 | MohammadAG | I wonder if EsEhAr is quiet now |
| 13:07.04 | MohammadAG | i.e stopped pasting |
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| 13:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | or send them to another planet, just before the big space goose is eating the earth |
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| 13:07.51 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/Se17YgpU |
| 13:08.00 | MohammadAG | lardman, see? that's the paste P |
| 13:08.03 | MohammadAG | :P* |
| 13:08.21 | MohammadAG | EsEhAr, you're supposed to copy the link, not the contents |
| 13:08.59 | MohammadAG | anyways, I think he's done pasting |
| 13:09.16 | lardman | hmm, not very enlightening those error messages |
| 13:09.56 | thp | MohammadAG: btw, before I close mafw.py -> there's also "is-seekable" that gets sent as metadata when the string is seekable (at this point, the client app can send seek requests, e.g. from the slider) |
| 13:10.20 | lardman | EsEhAr: no idea, I'd grab the source and see if you can track back to work out where the error is generated |
| 13:10.39 | MohammadAG | thp, seen that, no idea how to handle it with the current mafw C++ class |
| 13:11.36 | thp | MohammadAG: if the user wants to seek, and is-seekable is false, wait a bit until is-seekable turns to true |
| 13:11.52 | thp | (and while is-seekable is true, you can seek directly) |
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| 13:12.05 | MohammadAG | yeah, but I mean, how do I check if it's seekable with the class I have |
| 13:12.07 | MohammadAG | need to read it more |
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| 13:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | wolle mer ne reilasse? |
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| 13:18.10 | DocScrutinizer | EsEhAr: ulimit pastelines soft: 3, hard: 6 |
| 13:18.13 | alterego | I would hgave just kicked him .. |
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| 13:18.44 | MohammadAG | I would've glined, but he's not on our server :P |
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| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | meh. be nice to noobs |
| 13:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | he didn't paste a URL to his livecam ;-D |
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| 13:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: any comments to bug 8347 ? |
| 13:20.48 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available |
| 13:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: esp regarding telepathy |
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| 13:22.07 | Robot101 | am not sure it fits for telepathy tbh |
| 13:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: who's doing SMS-PP ? |
| 13:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | SMS-CB is mostly identical |
| 13:23.56 | Robot101 | what is SMS-PP? I don't speak cellular very well |
| 13:24.10 | Robot101 | http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-cellular/telepathy-ring (the oFono port) is open |
| 13:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: ShortMessageService-Point2Point (the usual well known SMS) |
| 13:25.09 | n900evil | are there other sms services? |
| 13:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | SMS-CB |
| 13:25.21 | nidO | yeah, sms-cb |
| 13:25.43 | n900evil | well - yes :) |
| 13:25.44 | DocScrutinizer | Point2Many |
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| 13:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | they are rather similar, in protocol and way to handle them |
| 13:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | esp normal SMS-CB as well should be dealt with by conversation app |
| 13:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | one thread per CBChannel |
| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly if maemo already deals correctly with SMS-PP that have popup flag set |
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| 13:31.53 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, any idea whether ofono supports these features or are in the roadmap> |
| 13:32.03 | lcuk | ie the current codebase |
| 13:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil says they do |
| 13:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 13:32.16 | jonwil | There is code in ofono that claims to support Cell Broadcast |
| 13:32.18 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: unlikely it'll support PP :P |
| 13:33.10 | jonwil | n900.c calls ofono_cbs_create |
| 13:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: so do you know who's involved in processing 'regular' SMS, in maemo? |
| 13:33.24 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: in maemo, it's csd -> telepathy-ring |
| 13:33.26 | Robot101 | closed, closed |
| 13:33.32 | Robot101 | in meego, it's ofono -> telepathy-ring |
| 13:33.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:33.34 | Robot101 | open, open |
| 13:33.53 | alterego | telepathy ring isn't closed .. |
| 13:33.59 | Robot101 | the csd one is |
| 13:34.02 | Robot101 | the ofono one is open |
| 13:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: the jonwil's comment on 8347 was absolutely to the point |
| 13:34.08 | alterego | Hmm |
| 13:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | then |
| 13:34.17 | alterego | csd implements telepathy-ring no? |
| 13:34.25 | Robot101 | that means nothing |
| 13:34.32 | Robot101 | in soviet russia, csd implements you? |
| 13:34.44 | alterego | It means a lot actually. |
| 13:34.53 | Robot101 | csd is a system bus daemon which talks an ISI modem protocol over a phonet kernel interface |
| 13:34.57 | alterego | telepathy-ring is a service name. |
| 13:35.13 | Robot101 | it exports a very low-level d-bus API to send/receive stuff through the cellmo |
| 13:35.14 | alterego | Yes, and probably exposes the telepathy-ring dbus api |
| 13:35.20 | Robot101 | telepathy-ring is a daemon, not an API |
| 13:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: could you help with the *.h et al jonwil asked for in 8347? |
| 13:35.25 | Robot101 | it lives on the session bus |
| 13:35.31 | alterego | It's both |
| 13:35.32 | Robot101 | and exports the telepathy API |
| 13:35.40 | alterego | Exactly .. |
| 13:35.42 | jonwil | IMO the "right" way to do this is to produce a CSD plugin for cbsms |
| 13:35.51 | jonwil | or to add cbsms support to csd-sms plugin |
| 13:36.00 | alterego | CSD has plugin support now? |
| 13:36.06 | Robot101 | csd was always made of plugins |
| 13:36.19 | jonwil | either way, such code would talk to the cellmo via libisi (and hence to the kernel driver) |
| 13:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | and always had plugins |
| 13:36.28 | alterego | I reckon use ofono, and write a csd replacement. |
| 13:36.38 | Robot101 | what the 6&!^*(& |
| 13:36.55 | Robot101 | ofono is a csd replacement (semantically) but will never have a compatible d-bus API |
| 13:37.07 | alterego | Yes, my point. |
| 13:37.10 | Robot101 | telepathy-ring had a lot of code deleted to port it from csd to ofono because the ofono API is much much higher level |
| 13:37.22 | alterego | We need CSD to keep dialer et al working |
| 13:37.56 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 13:38.12 | alterego | Anyhow, I couldn't care less about this tbh, if it's in meego .. |
| 13:38.15 | alterego | Who cares :P |
| 13:38.23 | Robot101 | unfortunately if you just want to do this in Maemo 5, ie the N900, just forget about telepathy |
| 13:38.28 | Robot101 | well |
| 13:38.40 | Robot101 | you could write a stub CM which went alongside tp-ring |
| 13:38.45 | Robot101 | and exposed just CB channels |
| 13:38.53 | Robot101 | then they would appear through normal conversation UI, etc |
| 13:38.56 | Robot101 | as another "account" |
| 13:39.04 | Robot101 | but really, you could just write a little UI which exposed them |
| 13:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | sounds good enough |
| 13:39.13 | jonwil | well the main thing is writing the low level bits |
| 13:39.13 | Robot101 | and spoke directly to csd / plugin / whatever you do |
| 13:39.20 | jonwil | i.e. a CSD plugin |
| 13:39.27 | Robot101 | in meego, what you want to do is support it in ofono and patch it into telepathy-ring |
| 13:39.39 | jonwil | meego ofono already supports it |
| 13:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | we're talking about maemo though |
| 13:39.49 | jonwil | no clue if the upper levels handle it or not |
| 13:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | meego refs just because things of maemo are more foss in meego than here |
| 13:40.44 | jonwil | For maemo we need a csd plugin. |
| 13:42.09 | jonwil | If we try and talk to the cell modem directly without going through CSD and stuff we would probably conflict with the existing CSD stuff |
| 13:42.32 | jonwil | but thats a guess based on what I see in the ofono sources and how it does things |
| 13:42.45 | lardman | jonwil: ah, I remembered, it was something to do with swimming :) - http://svn.assembla.com/svn/daebrain/Aqualung/aqualung.py |
| 13:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | (which btw is a rather impolite and insulting behaviour, to open up maemo sources to meego, while maemo community left down) |
| 13:42.57 | kpoman | hello again to all ! I was having issues yesterday with battery. now it seems better after i logged out skyep |
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| 13:44.10 | jonwil | yeah its annoying/insulting that the MeeGo repos get source code for some unknown version of the MCE daemon (even though aparently MeeGo isnt even USING MCE) yet Maemo gets nothing :( |
| 13:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | same for telepathy-ring |
| 13:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | same for PA |
| 13:45.19 | jonwil | whats PA? |
| 13:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | polypaudio, errr pulseaudio |
| 13:45.45 | jonwil | whats closed source about it in Maemo? |
| 13:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | quite some bits |
| 13:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | essential bits |
| 13:46.11 | Termana | quite some important bits |
| 13:46.45 | Termana | if you do not submit yourself to the evil closed source pulseaudio modules you can make your speakers stop working |
| 13:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | meego however just needs to mumble "might get difficult" and Nokia opens up all they want |
| 13:47.11 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.11 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:47.14 | MohammadAG | ffs what's wrong with it |
| 13:47.30 | MohammadAG | and what's with the casts |
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| 13:47.32 | jonwil | The only bits I can see that are closed are module-policy-enforcement, module-nokia-voice, module-nokia-record and module-nokia-music |
| 13:47.37 | MohammadAG | pokes alterego |
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| 13:47.53 | OkropNick | Anyone knows how to send SMS from N900 using X-Terminal? |
| 13:47.53 | MohammadAG | and bluetooth I think |
| 13:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wouldn't that be strcmp() rather than == |
| 13:48.09 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 13:48.22 | jonwil | My guess is that its the "module-nokia" bits that are the "important" bits being referred to |
| 13:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | or is that another overloaded shit |
| 13:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | of qt |
| 13:48.37 | MohammadAG | Qt* :P |
| 13:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | OkropNick: yes, see wiki |
| 13:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | and tmo |
| 13:49.07 | OkropNick | DocScrutinizer: thx |
| 13:49.24 | DocScrutinizer | phonecontrol might be a start |
| 13:51.46 | jonwil | heh, something else that I just found that seems to be closed in Maemo and open in MeeGo, tone-generator |
| 13:52.12 | DocScrutinizer | that's known :-) |
| 13:52.53 | jonwil | Although like other bits, it was probably opened up because the telephony stack was now open so it is possible to open up things that talk to the telephony stack |
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| 13:53.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ta, strcmp worked |
| 13:54.12 | jonwil | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | not all but a lot |
| 13:54.53 | jonwil | which bits weren't opened then? |
| 13:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | it's fsckng embarrassing |
| 13:55.12 | DocScrutinizer | xprot afaik |
| 13:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | though I guess they will open up that one as well, not to kill speakers of N900 with meego -bad publicity ;-P |
| 13:57.26 | jonwil | I think AFAIK the only closed piece required to get a booting system with MeeGo is BME |
| 13:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:57.41 | BCMM | you need BME to boot? |
| 13:57.54 | jonwil | you need it to get a usable system that wont wreck your hardware |
| 13:57.56 | jonwil | :) |
| 13:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | basically not, for the first time :-P |
| 13:58.05 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: heh. |
| 13:58.35 | alterego | Interesting: "please enter your paypal email address if you wish to receive donations or charge for applications |
| 13:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | you'll love to have it (or jrbme bit they seem reluctant to touch it with a 10 feet pole) when your battery runs flat and meego is your main system |
| 13:59.08 | alterego | qt-apps.org is more like facebook .. |
| 14:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | (reluctant about jrbme) no wonder, as it's neither Nokia genuine crap nor UPSTREAM :-S |
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| 14:02.19 | MohammadAG | lol alterego |
| 14:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | wb GeneralAntilles |
| 14:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | GeneralAntilles: what's your take on 8347? |
| 14:03.25 | jonwil | looks like my efforts may be a kickstarter towards more general discussions regarding telephony on the N900 :) |
| 14:03.36 | Jaffa | andre__: poke about Bugzilla best practice re: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=923017#post923017 |
| 14:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 14:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: absolutely. You made things move quite a bit during few days. Much appreciated |
| 14:04.35 | jonwil | I have a habit of comming into forums and communities and doing cool stuff :) |
| 14:04.38 | andre__ | takes a look |
| 14:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: hehehe |
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| 14:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: good! :-D |
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| 14:07.50 | jonwil | I also have a habit of finding obscure stuff on Google that helps people out |
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| 14:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | evidently |
| 14:08.01 | jonwil | and I am VERY good with reverse engineering |
| 14:08.16 | jonwil | on x86 at least |
| 14:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ netsplit |
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| 14:09.04 | MohammadAG | I hate small netsplits |
| 14:09.08 | MohammadAG | it's the big ones that matter |
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| 14:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 14:09.38 | lolcat | reverse ingeneers jonwil |
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| 14:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder how many ended in ##overflow |
| 14:10.46 | alterego | Heh |
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| 14:10.48 | alterego | http://qt-apps.org/content/show.php?content=137559 |
| 14:10.53 | alterego | Vote for my app plox |
| 14:10.54 | alterego | kthxbye |
| 14:11.02 | MohammadAG | foff |
| 14:11.04 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 14:11.05 | lolcat | alterego: arrgh! |
| 14:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | kicks alterego |
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| 14:11.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, vote up or down? |
| 14:11.33 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:11.36 | alterego | :) |
| 14:11.44 | alterego | You vote up, because I'm sure DocScrutinizer will vote down :P |
| 14:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha, nooooway |
| 14:12.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it lacks a symlink to /usr/bin |
| 14:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | you should know me by now, I don't klick random URLs |
| 14:12.24 | MohammadAG | <-- uber asshole |
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| 14:15.21 | lardman | is it possible for init to start another instance of init e.g. use init in a initramfs to start init on a flash partition? |
| 14:15.37 | lardman | I'm thinking of exec'ing the second init so that the first blocks |
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| 14:16.37 | alterego | qt-apps also has integrated donate .. |
| 14:17.13 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: http://qt-apps.org/content/donate.php?content=137559 |
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| 14:17.27 | alterego | Donate and I'll add proper platform support for PATH and ld.so.conf |
| 14:17.33 | alterego | chuckles |
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| 14:18.23 | MohammadAG | pokes alterego with a 10 foot pole |
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| 14:18.36 | alterego | Has it got a 100 dollar bill on the end? |
| 14:18.40 | alterego | Otherwise I'm not interested. |
| 14:18.52 | MohammadAG | no, but it has a painful end |
| 14:18.56 | MohammadAG | giggles |
| 14:19.03 | alterego | Damnit you |
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| 14:19.20 | lardman | imagines MohammadAG is also wiggling the stick as he giggles |
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| 14:19.31 | MohammadAG | lardman, perv |
| 14:19.32 | MohammadAG | :p |
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| 14:19.34 | alterego | I might write an app and sell it on there. |
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| 14:19.41 | alterego | qt-apps allows you to sell apps to btw. |
| 14:19.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, nah |
| 14:19.50 | MohammadAG | alterego, sell it on ebay |
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| 14:20.20 | MohammadAG | sometimes, I feel Nokia rm -rf'd Maemo5's source code |
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| 14:20.43 | MohammadAG | so that's why they're closing bugs about opening components |
| 14:20.43 | alterego | wtf is going on .. |
| 14:20.53 | MohammadAG | kids + scripts = retarded IRC |
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| 14:21.09 | lardman | MohammadAG: I was thinking more along the lines of a Yari, but each to his own interpretation |
| 14:21.23 | MohammadAG | lardman, I know xP |
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| 14:21.46 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Gitorious stuff disappearing? |
| 14:21.55 | MohammadAG | uh? |
| 14:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with IRC? |
| 14:22.05 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:22.10 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Doesnt matter :-) |
| 14:22.11 | MohammadAG | netsplits |
| 14:22.18 | alterego | kinky |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:22.23 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 14:23.15 | ZogG | ho \o/ |
| 14:23.35 | ZogG | MohammadAG, have you bricked your ps3 with wanikoko's CFW btw? =) |
| 14:23.47 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:23.53 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ konqui segfailted on maps.google |
| 14:23.58 | MohammadAG | the scene is retarded, I'm staying away from it |
| 14:24.22 | lolcat | MohammadAG: Do you play zombies? |
| 14:25.05 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 14:26.24 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 14:26.28 | MohammadAG | how do I make a lib? |
| 14:26.51 | MohammadAG | I could keep on including the .h files in each source but it's not practical for more than 2 sources |
| 14:27.03 | alterego | TEMPLATE = lib |
| 14:27.25 | alterego | look at librxsopport or libcolumbus |
| 14:27.36 | alterego | s/sopport/support/ |
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| 14:31.50 | alterego | No one is voting :( |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | hah, segailted is a nice new word :-P |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 14:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | segfailted |
| 14:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | you got no symlink to /usr/bin :-P |
| 14:32.46 | lcuk2 | can they put the app on their devices easily? |
| 14:32.55 | lcuk2 | form the link you specified |
| 14:33.04 | lcuk2 | and are people voting at maemo.org downloads? |
| 14:33.07 | lcuk2 | :) |
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| 14:34.38 | alterego | lcuk: it's not in downloads because it's not in extras yet. |
| 14:34.55 | alterego | lcuk: the download link I should set to an .install file when v1 is released and in extras |
| 14:35.09 | alterego | But there are a few little creases that need ironing out before that. |
| 14:35.19 | lcuk | :) |
| 14:35.20 | lcuk | gets iron |
| 14:35.31 | alterego | At the moment the download link just links to the packages page. |
| 14:35.52 | lcuk | you are not the only one alterego :) |
| 14:36.11 | lcuk | theres many apps currently not rollered from -devel onwards |
| 14:36.25 | alterego | lcuk: in the competition? |
| 14:36.39 | lcuk | alterego, which competition? |
| 14:37.07 | alterego | http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2010/12/23/porting-your-qt-app-to-a-phone-win/ |
| 14:37.12 | alterego | That's why I've stuck it on there :) |
| 14:37.12 | lardman | knows the feeling of not moving on from -devel |
| 14:37.32 | alterego | Well, I've got my other apps into extras :P |
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| 14:37.40 | alterego | But I try to keep strict functional requirements. |
| 14:38.11 | alterego | So I have landmark releases, I've pushed to -testing a stable version though, which leaves -devel open for more bleeding edge brokenness. |
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| 14:38.33 | lcuk | lardman, yeah theres lots of hard tweaking time required |
| 14:38.59 | lardman | lcuk: I'm pretty much ready, but can't test atm, so waiting to see what the warranty people say |
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| 14:43.46 | lcuk | lardman, yeah |
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| 14:44.06 | lardman | I must check they've picked it up actually |
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| 14:49.04 | DocScrutinizer | promoting system is fubar for updates |
| 14:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | otoh this got discussed ad nauseum and there seems to be no general solution to the problem. Only devel knows (or should know) if the fixes applied might have major impact or not, and voting is all about supervising the devels |
| 14:52.12 | MohammadAG | what's a unit32 in C? |
| 14:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | an unsigned 32bit integer |
| 14:52.52 | DocScrutinizer | 0..2^32 |
| 14:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | ( -1 ) |
| 14:55.10 | alterego | unsigned nokia internet tablet 32bit actually |
| 14:55.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer, I think, means means a _uint32_ |
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| 14:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, my bad |
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| 15:02.01 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:02.05 | MohammadAG | dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume |
| 15:02.09 | MohammadAG | can someone try that? |
| 15:02.35 | alterego | has a funny idea, |
| 15:02.44 | alterego | I could implement taht steam wankers applications and charge him for it. |
| 15:02.49 | alterego | Well, charge for the application. |
| 15:03.16 | MohammadAG | don't use steam, so sure, why not |
| 15:03.25 | alterego | Yeah, I don't use it either. |
| 15:03.28 | MohammadAG | but I get 70% for coming up with the idea |
| 15:03.37 | lardman | I use steam, but not the chat thing |
| 15:03.54 | alterego | It's not chat he wants, he wants a widget/app to monitor his statistics. |
| 15:04.02 | lardman | someone's presumably reversed the protocol for an iPhone app, so go for it |
| 15:04.05 | MohammadAG | you might be thinking I didn't come up with the idea |
| 15:04.06 | alterego | And find out if his mates are currently playing and what/where they are playing. |
| 15:04.06 | lardman | oh right |
| 15:04.22 | MohammadAG | but if I wasn't here, who knows how the fabric of time would've went |
| 15:04.23 | lardman | same difference really |
| 15:04.30 | alterego | I can't be arsed with implementing chat. |
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| 15:04.32 | frals | isnt that info available from the steamcommunty user page? |
| 15:04.38 | lardman | I thought so |
| 15:04.40 | alterego | But if I did it'd be a telepathy plugin obviously :) |
| 15:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's that dbus cruft supposed to do? |
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| 15:04.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, print volume level |
| 15:04.55 | alterego | frals: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=923047&postcount=114 |
| 15:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 15:04.58 | lardman | perhaps wrap a html display widget in a Qt app and display that page :D |
| 15:05.08 | MohammadAG | Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer was not provided by any .service files |
| 15:05.12 | MohammadAG | think I fucked something up |
| 15:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:05.30 | MohammadAG | then I did fuck something up |
| 15:05.32 | MohammadAG | sighs |
| 15:06.26 | MohammadAG | lol alterego, 100 pounds, seriously? :P |
| 15:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | try one of the advanced dbus tools, e.g mdbus2 |
| 15:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | it has tab-completion |
| 15:07.19 | alterego | Yup |
| 15:07.20 | alterego | I guess it'll take acouple of hours. |
| 15:07.40 | lardman | you should charge more per hour |
| 15:07.42 | lardman | :) |
| 15:08.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it worked for you |
| 15:08.26 | MohammadAG | and probably for anyone who'd try it |
| 15:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | (I heard mdbus2 is currently broken, so dunno what's state of things for maemo) |
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| 15:08.35 | MohammadAG | I just borked something on my device |
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| 15:08.54 | MohammadAG | and whenever someone mentions something breaking, javispedro pops in |
| 15:09.01 | MohammadAG | morning javispedro |
| 15:09.16 | javispedro | breaks MohammadAG |
| 15:09.21 | javispedro | moo. |
| 15:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, I got it as you've replaced com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer by your own implementation |
| 15:09.35 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 15:09.39 | MohammadAG | I broke it, somehow |
| 15:09.45 | MohammadAG | I just called watch on the dbus command |
| 15:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: id |
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| 15:10.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I've sent this as root, though I gather it's session bus |
| 15:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | so I dunno |
| 15:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | should have failed for me :-P |
| 15:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | root's not supposed to access session bus per se |
| 15:12.04 | MohammadAG | it would fail if you use sudo gainroot ;) |
| 15:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | actually I learnt that from venemo yesterday |
| 15:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | my boston script failed, as he used sudo gainroot |
| 15:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | booston |
| 15:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | not Boston |
| 15:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | that's another minor detail that needs urgently get cleaned in h-e-n |
| 15:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | and jrbme will actually clean that |
| 15:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | so the GUI can run without root priv |
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| 15:28.14 | MohammadAG | how do I reverse a commit? |
| 15:29.48 | lcuk | MohammadAG, afaik you do not delete history, merely revert to before the bad commit and repush or some sort of combination thereof |
| 15:30.04 | MohammadAG | I know, that's what I'm asking |
| 15:30.09 | MohammadAG | there's a git reverse command or whatever |
| 15:30.14 | lcuk | so checkout the previous commit |
| 15:30.15 | MohammadAG | git revert I think |
| 15:30.25 | lardman | I think you might have to rebase off the commit beforehand |
| 15:30.34 | lardman | but I'm not a git guru |
| 15:32.26 | MohammadAG | git revert <commit number> is enough |
| 15:32.36 | MohammadAG | it even auto commits :D |
| 15:32.38 | lardman | ah I must be thinking of svn then |
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| 15:38.08 | Venemo_N900 | hey |
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| 15:38.23 | Venemo_N900 | I got myself a powered usb hub |
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| 15:38.40 | Venemo_N900 | but didn't find a usb-to-vga adapter :( |
| 15:39.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | usb to vga? :-o |
| 15:40.20 | MohammadAG | It's called DisplayLink :P |
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| 15:41.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, and it's a crap concept |
| 15:41.23 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:41.26 | MohammadAG | what's "bora" |
| 15:41.31 | MohammadAG | isn't that diablo |
| 15:41.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | and harldy an adapter in my book |
| 15:42.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | bora bora bora - japans 'jeronimo' of WW2 |
| 15:43.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | or was that banzai |
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| 15:44.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, 8 f'ing MB TX during 7h, for nothing but HAM and IRC |
| 15:44.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | RX 4MB |
| 15:45.06 | SpeedEvil | ow |
| 15:45.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess it's time for tcpdump |
| 15:51.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: read the code names wiki page I linked yesterday |
| 15:52.11 | MohammadAG | I'm just amazed bora is in debian/changelog for the fremantle vte |
| 15:52.18 | MohammadAG | shows how much they care about debian packaging |
| 15:52.45 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: bora is some old maemo codename, I think Maemo 3.0 maybe |
| 15:53.03 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: 4.0 is chinook and 4.1 is diablo |
| 15:53.37 | alterego | Somethings don't change much :P |
| 15:53.38 | MohammadAG | ah right |
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| 15:55.27 | trx | MohammadAG i installed your .deb from here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=922360&postcount=8 it works great but i lost that ability to open keyboard and start typing and it would open contacts |
| 15:55.50 | trx | left/right arrows change screens tho |
| 15:56.36 | MohammadAG | read mhd's documentation |
| 15:56.36 | trx | is there a way to get that back without uninstalling the .deb? |
| 15:56.42 | trx | ok |
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| 15:57.00 | MohammadAG | http://my.arava.co.il/~matan/repo/Modified_Hildon_Desktop.html |
| 15:57.10 | alterego | Bollocks, I have to submit Columbus to Ovi to get into the competition. |
| 15:57.14 | MohammadAG | you SHOULD NOT uninstall system debs |
| 15:57.33 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'd rather stay out of the competition if that's the case, but that's just me :) |
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| 15:57.54 | alterego | 10k possible prize though .. |
| 15:57.56 | trx | MohammadAG tnx for the tip |
| 15:58.04 | alterego | Or an N900 for the top 5 runner ups |
| 15:58.30 | MohammadAG | I'd resist |
| 15:58.36 | MohammadAG | this is Ovi we're talking about :) |
| 15:59.04 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:59.59 | chem|st | still waiting for my testers surprise package... |
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| 16:04.00 | Jaffa | Oh happy day: http://pastebin.com/bkc5hg0E |
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| 16:14.04 | anidel | jaffa: indeed! |
| 16:19.42 | alterego | I'm going to wait for lollo to write his steam app, then I'm going to do it better. |
| 16:19.45 | alterego | chuckles |
| 16:21.55 | lardman | damn, UPS turned up before the office opened at work |
| 16:22.18 | alterego | That's lame |
| 16:22.21 | alterego | Was it your N900? :D |
| 16:22.27 | lardman | yeah |
| 16:22.31 | lardman | waiting to go |
| 16:23.04 | lardman | has rescheduled for tomorrow, I do hope they turn up early as I have to invigilate an exam in the afternoon |
| 16:23.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | why do I get pastbin.com server not found? |
| 16:24.56 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: because it's pastebin.com |
| 16:25.18 | alterego | pastbin.com sounds like something from the 90s |
| 16:25.21 | MohammadAG | pastie.org is meh :P |
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| 16:25.30 | MohammadAG | there's no pastieit script ;) |
| 16:25.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ping: bad address 'pastebin.com' |
| 16:26.15 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: can you ping google.com |
| 16:26.19 | alterego | Because it works for me :P |
| 16:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | I can ping ct.de |
| 16:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | but nor google.com |
| 16:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | not |
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| 16:27.43 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng dnsmasq or whatever it's called is screwed up again |
| 16:28.12 | DocScrutinizer | second time in a few days - I wonder how to investigate and fix this for good |
| 16:28.43 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2h83Z59h :) |
| 16:29.23 | DocScrutinizer | now that I think about it, HAM said all catalogs weren't available prior to my last boot some 8h ago |
| 16:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | so actually 3ed time |
| 16:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 16:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | shit |
| 16:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | sth with my wlan is severely fsckd up |
| 16:32.49 | javispedro | bunch of pirates |
| 16:32.51 | javispedro | sighs |
| 16:33.16 | DocScrutinizer | switching to 3G, ping google.com ok, switching back to wlan, google.com bad address |
| 16:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless it works on my laptop in same LAN |
| 16:33.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: time to lose the uptime record? :) |
| 16:34.00 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 16:34.02 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-18 17:29:23] <DocScrutinizer> now that I think about it, HAM said all catalogs weren't available prior to my last boot some 8h ago |
| 16:34.14 | MohammadAG | that is uptime record |
| 16:34.21 | MohammadAG | you seriously expected more on maemo? |
| 16:34.21 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 16:34.30 | javispedro | yes. mine is 3 minutes larger. |
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| 16:35.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | fsck, that doesn't help at all |
| 16:35.25 | alterego | My uptime is 15:22 |
| 16:35.33 | alterego | So, not even a day :D |
| 16:35.49 | alterego | Okay, added an "About" dialog to columbus |
| 16:35.56 | alterego | Now finishing of the routing infrastructure. |
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| 16:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 16:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for the help |
| 16:36.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's weird, sure it's a dnsmasq FAIL? can you ping the dns server and all that? |
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| 16:39.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can also check /var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0 |
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| 16:40.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, screenshot of about? :P |
| 16:41.03 | javispedro | twitches slightly while reading how dnsmasq decides which server to forward queries to |
| 16:41.14 | alterego | It's just four labels, hang on |
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| 16:42.42 | ananas | hello |
| 16:43.11 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20110118-164129.png |
| 16:43.20 | alterego | I just wanted a dialog to show the version tbh |
| 16:43.20 | ananas | spreak german pls? |
| 16:43.41 | alterego | ananas: No, this is an English channel sorry. |
| 16:43.50 | MohammadAG | lemme guess, you're using QApplication to show those? :) |
| 16:43.53 | alterego | Ich sprechen nicht Deutsch. |
| 16:44.04 | alterego | Yes |
| 16:44.19 | alterego | So I only have to worry about two places to enter version information. |
| 16:44.36 | MohammadAG | make the website part clickable |
| 16:44.44 | MohammadAG | there's debian/changelog :P |
| 16:44.53 | alterego | MohammadAG: yes, I'm counting that idiot :P |
| 16:45.02 | ananas | ok alterego darf ich dir eine frage stellen ? |
| 16:45.04 | alterego | That's the second place. |
| 16:45.12 | MohammadAG | lmao |
| 16:45.19 | alterego | ananas: English please :P |
| 16:45.23 | lardman | ananas: go for it |
| 16:45.23 | alterego | Sprechen sie English! |
| 16:45.34 | alterego | bitte |
| 16:45.36 | ananas | ok |
| 16:45.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, you speak dutch since when exactly? :P |
| 16:45.56 | MohammadAG | or german, whatever |
| 16:46.01 | javispedro | ........ |
| 16:46.03 | lardman | double-dutch |
| 16:46.08 | alterego | MohammadAG: Since about, erm, 15 years ago? |
| 16:46.48 | alterego | Crap, I should probably think about getting dinner and such ready. |
| 16:47.31 | lardman | ananas: was ist deine Frage? |
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| 16:48.05 | alterego | b-ananas |
| 16:48.29 | lardman | it actually means pineapple |
| 16:48.32 | lardman | :) |
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| 16:49.09 | alterego | Teeheehee |
| 16:49.11 | MohammadAG | hey, that's the same as arabic :P |
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| 16:50.00 | lardman | MohammadAG: well you guys have been around for a while and I guess pineapples didn't develop in northern Europe too |
| 16:50.26 | alterego | bbiafm |
| 16:50.46 | MohammadAG | wonders what "f" means |
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| 16:50.55 | lardman | few ? |
| 16:50.59 | MohammadAG | few, or you're starting to swear a lot |
| 16:51.04 | lardman | :D |
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| 16:53.18 | ananas | ok have a problem with my nokia n900 and i would like to reinstall meamo for application storage memory combine with the nokia n900 is the possible? |
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| 16:54.54 | lardman | you want to reinstall Maemo, I don't quite get the application storage part, do you want to overwrite this? |
| 16:56.09 | alterego | ananas: do you want to restore it to the state it was when you bought it? Losing all data? |
| 16:56.32 | ananas | mom pls |
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| 17:03.13 | ananas | no. i would like to delete everything and a swap and a root partition and no application memory |
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| 17:04.35 | ananas | I want more than 2gb can install programs.so |
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| 17:05.13 | ananas | is that possible |
| 17:05.24 | trip0 | i would like lots of app memory and no swap |
| 17:05.28 | trip0 | swap is slow |
| 17:06.48 | pahartik | watches "Drone" being operated in "Tampere MeeGo network" meeting |
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| 17:08.04 | lcuk | watches pahartik watching drone being operated in the wrong irc channel --->>> #meego me thinks ;) |
| 17:08.07 | chem|st | ananas: you need to repartition to get more application space |
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| 17:09.25 | pahartik | lcuk: But I am at meeting because of Maemo, not because of MeeGo... |
| 17:10.05 | lcuk | pahartik, is there meeting info on website somewhere? or is this adhoc? |
| 17:10.41 | chem|st | ananas: you cannot flash rootfs without it loosing all information on installed applications even with the data still available in the 2GB storage |
| 17:11.21 | lardman | heads off to try booting Meego on his Tab |
| 17:11.26 | lardman | bbiab |
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| 17:12.41 | pahartik | lcuk: Document at "http://demola.fi.ipv6.sixxs.org/events/5th-tampere-meego-network-meetup" |
| 17:12.57 | lcuk | such an easy to remember url |
| 17:13.02 | lcuk | just rolls off the tongue :P |
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| 17:13.35 | lcuk | Unable to connect |
| 17:13.35 | lcuk | Firefox can't establish a connection to the server at demola.fi.ipv6.sixxs.org. |
| 17:13.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.36 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:13.44 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:13.47 | MohammadAG | so I can't change volume |
| 17:13.55 | pahartik | lcuk: Maybe your IPv6 routing failed |
| 17:14.06 | MohammadAG | and the mediaplayer lacks the now playing icon and saying "Unable to perform operation" |
| 17:14.40 | lcuk | pahartik, probably because I do not have ipv6 routing on this machine |
| 17:15.15 | chem|st | WFM... |
| 17:15.48 | pahartik | lcuk: At moment I do not have IPv4 routing on my workstation... |
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| 17:16.17 | ananas | ok thanks |
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| 17:17.00 | chem|st | lcuk: http://www.demola.fi/events/5th-tampere-meego-network-meetup |
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| 17:21.13 | Jarock | huhu |
| 17:21.15 | Jarock | ree |
| 17:21.46 | Jarock | sms service buggy? |
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| 17:23.12 | kpoman | hi again ! |
| 17:23.23 | Jarock | I am not receiving sms :-( |
| 17:23.37 | kpoman | I can confirm today that skype really kills the battery |
| 17:24.13 | kpoman | someone tested with its n95, it killed its battery. I tested yesterday and got about 5h of autonomy, today, without skype, I have already 9h and am still at 50% |
| 17:24.19 | andre__ | Jarock: basic info such as provider might help tracking down. At least in my part of the world SMS system has not collapsed yet. |
| 17:24.20 | pahartik | lcuk: MeeGo is interesting mostly because I assume new non-wintel devices to run Debian GNU/Linux may appear as result of that... Also, porting applications of Meego to Maemo is most likely future of Maemo... |
| 17:24.27 | kpoman | too bad skype doesnt fix that |
| 17:24.49 | kpoman | or at least offer a low network usage mode or whatever |
| 17:25.43 | javispedro | it depends on skype's network mood |
| 17:26.01 | Corsac | pahartik: except that MeeGo has pretty much nothing to do with Debian |
| 17:26.26 | Jarock | My provider is "Debitel" and I receive no sms :-( |
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| 17:27.20 | pahartik | Corsac: Agreed... But if devices are open enough, Debian GNU/Linux can be installed |
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| 17:30.48 | blogbasti | Hey, is it possible to get an older kernel for N900 than current 2.6.28-omap1? I have random sw_rst-crashes with "PC is at eventpoll_release_file+0x1c/0x78" Messages in /dev/mtd2 |
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| 17:31.22 | pahartik | Corsac: On side note, I might be tempted to buy Android device if I was convinced that Debian GNU/Linux runs on it reasonably well, even though Android is not interesting to me |
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| 17:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | google.com ping solved. Primary DNS in router is a pile of... |
| 17:37.38 | kpoman | is there any push notification for n900 ? |
| 17:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly yes, though nobody explained to me yet how that's supposed to work |
| 17:38.21 | kpoman | something able to push notifications and use less battery |
| 17:38.29 | kpoman | but still have connected IM and Voip |
| 17:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | you can't push thru a NAT |
| 17:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | GSM GPRS is usually NATted |
| 17:39.10 | MrBawb | DocScrutinizer: good reason to upgrade to ipv6! :) |
| 17:39.12 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer:I do have a real ip apparently right now |
| 17:39.28 | MrBawb | kpoman: who is your provider? |
| 17:39.51 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: do you know if there is a server app I could install on my gateway to act as a push notification server ? I mean an opensource app or whatever compatible with maemo ? :p |
| 17:39.59 | kpoman | Claro.br |
| 17:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | allegedly nokia messaging does push |
| 17:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | I never even tested it |
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| 17:42.25 | kpoman | DocScrutinizer: it would be very interesting as an opensourced application |
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| 17:42.53 | kpoman | so anyone can install on its gateway or trust some serious service provider, compatible with many protocols |
| 17:43.53 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 17:43.57 | MohammadAG | I broke mafw |
| 17:44.03 | MohammadAG | reflashing |
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| 17:47.05 | slonopotamus | how i create finger-sized check buttons as in preferences->profiles? |
| 17:47.23 | MohammadAG | which UI? |
| 17:47.34 | slonopotamus | hildon, of course |
| 17:48.06 | slonopotamus | hildon_check_button_new(HILDON_SIZE_AUTO) results in smaller one |
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| 17:49.29 | slonopotamus | to be more exact, i get buttons that look like ones in pygtkeditor preferences |
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| 17:52.05 | slonopotamus | anyone? |
| 17:55.14 | _berto_ | slonopotamus: HILDON_SIZE_FINGER_HEIGHT |
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| 17:56.19 | lcuk | _berto_, \o great that igalia and claudio are expanding on hildon |
| 17:56.20 | lcuk | http://blogs.gnome.org/foundation/2011/01/17/gtk-meego-handset-bidders-selected/ |
| 17:56.25 | slonopotamus | _berto_: will try... |
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| 17:57.11 | _berto_ | lcuk: thanks :) |
| 17:59.16 | javispedro | lcuk: thanks for the news! |
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| 18:02.46 | alterego | Cool |
| 18:04.04 | alterego | contemplates his database schema. |
| 18:04.17 | MohammadAG | cries over lost unsaved modifications |
| 18:04.30 | alterego | I want to use a foreign key, but will QtSql handle this how I want it to handle it :/ |
| 18:04.34 | MohammadAG | why! why! did I save them to /root |
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| 18:07.35 | alterego | Hrm, this modification is going to require a schema change in the current version. |
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| 18:08.03 | alterego | Which means I'll have to add this into my packaging, or, have people lose any waypoints they currently have set. |
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| 18:13.54 | MohammadAG | fuck |
| 18:14.19 | MohammadAG | alterego, too possibilities, you either break now, or later |
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| 18:14.22 | MohammadAG | think about it :P |
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| 18:16.28 | lcuk | alterego, systems have been upgrading local data stores to new versions for as long as app have data. learning how to migrate said data is something all developers have to do at some point or other. |
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| 18:17.01 | javispedro | that or have been calling their products "beta" for years =) |
| 18:17.44 | lcuk | javispedro, even those have similar requirements |
| 18:17.50 | lcuk | it just depends upon utility |
| 18:18.18 | lcuk | javispedro, also, an extra magic trick is backwards compatible data creation ;) |
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| 18:18.35 | alterego | I'm fully familiar with migrations :P |
| 18:18.44 | lcuk | get it right the first time and even with whole generations of apps inbetween the data format remains resiliant enough to operate with older apps |
| 18:18.45 | alterego | I'm just used to doing them with a nice framework like rails ^.^ |
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| 18:22.13 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer: opinion? As in how likely I believe Nokia will even bother to read it? |
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| 18:36.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | GeneralAntilles: well, even that. tekojo said he'll look at it and see what he can do. So there are chances |
| 18:37.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | just seen you commented that ticket with a good URL |
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| 18:39.59 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer, weren't you sending me a resume? :P |
| 18:40.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, I made up my mind I don't like work on oil drilling stations |
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| 18:47.00 | GeneralAntilles | DocScrutinizer51: so long ago I don't even remember. *g* |
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| 18:59.04 | ieatlint | oooh, starbucks is bringing out a new 916ml cup size here |
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| 19:05.47 | mikki-kun | uhhh, is this a bug? my n900 is shwing the "slider-lock" screen, but when i use test-input i can type and also send it |
| 19:06.01 | mikki-kun | i mean when i input text via the keyboard |
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| 19:12.11 | korhojoa | frals, hey. i've got fmms crashing on start, do you have any tips on how to figure out what's wrong? |
| 19:12.20 | Jaffa | korhojoa: Run from terminal |
| 19:12.37 | trx | if i want to upload a package to the extras-devel, do the binaries have to be built using the autobuilder(does autobuilder just build packages or compiles too?)? |
| 19:12.39 | korhojoa | I've done that, it doesn't print any output |
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| 19:12.59 | korhojoa | it does run then though, but it just has the spinning 'something going on'-wheel |
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| 19:18.21 | lardman | ieatlint: that is a looooot of coffee |
| 19:18.29 | rm_work | DocScrutinizer51: that's convenient, we don't do production, just refining and transport :P no drilling here |
| 19:19.04 | jacekowski | trx: building == compiling |
| 19:19.17 | jacekowski | trx: but it all depends how you write rules for it |
| 19:19.32 | MohammadAG | FUCKING FAPMAN |
| 19:19.33 | ieatlint | lardman: yeah, a paper decided to give info about the human stomach when posting the news of it... apparently the average human stomach can hold 900ml (but expands to 2l-4l, depending on person, or probably 5l for americans ;) |
| 19:19.37 | MohammadAG | 2GBs of debs, cleared! |
| 19:19.45 | jacekowski | fap fap fap |
| 19:19.56 | MohammadAG | cries |
| 19:19.58 | javispedro | that's why I use the builtin ham! |
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| 19:20.48 | trx | jacekowski my app is compiled with fpc (pascal), i doubt that autobuilder has it... the only way for me is to include the binary... is that allowed? |
| 19:20.57 | trx | i created a working .deb |
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| 19:21.07 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i have 34G /home/maemo/mirror |
| 19:21.11 | frals | korhojoa: run from terminal and pastebin output |
| 19:21.13 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: 34G of debs |
| 19:21.20 | jacekowski | trx: it has |
| 19:21.31 | jacekowski | trx: autobuilder can have anything you want |
| 19:21.36 | jacekowski | trx: just write rules for it |
| 19:21.46 | jacekowski | trx: Build-Depends: fpc |
| 19:21.49 | jacekowski | trx: for example |
| 19:21.56 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, those aren't on your N900 |
| 19:22.04 | jacekowski | but you can install them |
| 19:22.04 | MohammadAG | I had 2GBs on my N900 |
| 19:22.08 | trx | jacekowski oh, tnx for the tip |
| 19:22.15 | jacekowski | trx: as long as it's in repo |
| 19:22.20 | jacekowski | trx: you can use it in autobuilder |
| 19:22.26 | jacekowski | trx: if it isn't up it to repo first |
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| 19:22.30 | javispedro | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/18/exclusive-hp-palms-webos-tablets-pictures-plans-and-mor/ |
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| 19:23.02 | jacekowski | buuuuuuuuuuu |
| 19:23.06 | jacekowski | i want HP slate |
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| 19:23.26 | johnsq | Hi |
| 19:23.27 | korhojoa | frals, wtf? i ran it over ssh, and now it spat out text? |
| 19:23.50 | jacekowski | oO |
| 19:23.53 | korhojoa | it didn't do this earlier. anyway, it complained about not having permissions for /tmp/fmms.log and when i chmod'd that to 777, now it works fine |
| 19:23.53 | jacekowski | they released it |
| 19:24.00 | jacekowski | i was thinking that hp slate is abandoned |
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| 19:25.53 | javispedro | jacekowski: yeah, on the expensivish side though |
| 19:26.06 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 19:26.19 | jacekowski | i think i'll go for archos tablet in that case |
| 19:26.30 | jacekowski | but i'm not sure what i would use it for |
| 19:26.44 | jacekowski | but i want it just for coolnes factor of it |
| 19:27.44 | javispedro | nods |
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| 19:30.40 | trx | hmm, jacekowski im not sure i understand, i can upload fpc to repos, and autobilder will use it to compile my source? (fpc is a compiler like gcc) |
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| 19:32.03 | nox- | moin |
| 19:33.43 | jacekowski | yes |
| 19:33.52 | jacekowski | but i think fpc is already in repository |
| 19:34.01 | jacekowski | trx: you just have to tell autobuilder to install it |
| 19:34.13 | jacekowski | trx: because what happens during building is |
| 19:34.22 | jacekowski | trx: autobuilder unpacks fresh os image |
| 19:34.30 | jacekowski | trx: then install all stuff from your build-depends |
| 19:34.41 | jacekowski | then starts building |
| 19:35.05 | trx | thats cool |
| 19:35.17 | trx | thank you |
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| 19:41.58 | javispedro | still ponders if Nokia is going to keep with the schedule of releasing an omap3630 handset this year |
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| 19:42.24 | javispedro | engadget would pan it just for being on omap3 |
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| 19:45.16 | kerio | pan? |
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| 19:46.10 | javispedro | well, or maybe not. |
| 19:46.20 | Jaffa | javispedro: The rumours for an MWC release (or, rather, announce) seem to be growing |
| 19:46.37 | Jaffa | javispedro: They would, cos it's not an "A8" like the iPhone 5 |
| 19:46.58 | javispedro | hehe |
| 19:47.05 | javispedro | Apple is probably going to call it the A5 |
| 19:47.20 | javispedro | or some other blogger-confusing name. |
| 19:48.50 | Jaffa | javispedro: I'd be very impressed if, in the time available, they@ve not just uber-simplified the UI, but also changed the fundaments of the h/w |
| 19:49.53 | javispedro | aha! a rumour about Apple going for Qualcomm too. |
| 19:50.10 | javispedro | let's count... rumours about Nokia, about Palm... |
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| 20:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: pondering what I learned about how autobuilder works, I'm of course immediately starting to figure how to make it run into an endless dependency circle :-D |
| 20:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | just like >A Build-Depends: B; B Build-Depends: A |
| 20:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, seems I'm bored |
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| 20:06.17 | jacekowski | nope |
| 20:06.28 | jacekowski | it will just fail |
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| 20:06.42 | jacekowski | because that package will not be in repository |
| 20:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | errr, my N900 has a tag "ARM cortex A8" |
| 20:06.46 | jacekowski | so it can't install it |
| 20:06.54 | jacekowski | err |
| 20:06.55 | jacekowski | yest |
| 20:06.57 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:07.02 | jacekowski | since day it was manufacture |
| 20:07.03 | jacekowski | d |
| 20:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | re: <Jaffa> javispedro: They would, cos it's not an "A8" |
| 20:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
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| 20:10.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: slashdot and other newssites confused Apple's "A4" marketing with ARM's Cortex series naming |
| 20:10.28 | javispedro | mayhem ensued |
| 20:10.35 | javispedro | and a lot of laughs |
| 20:10.38 | javispedro | and jokes :) |
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| 20:12.38 | alterego | I always knew that'd blow up in their faces. |
| 20:13.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, as long as they don't mix it up with Audi cars |
| 20:13.16 | ZogG | http://www.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs/319539_o.gif \o/ sup |
| 20:15.15 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
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| 20:21.20 | javispedro | ponders what to do with a BD-RE unit |
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| 20:30.30 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I can haz it? |
| 20:31.51 | RST38h | javispedro: webos tsblet renders out |
| 20:32.01 | javispedro | saw it on engadget, RST38h |
| 20:32.07 | javispedro | both 7-inch and 9-inch |
| 20:32.19 | javispedro | unknown specs, assumed qualcomm |
| 20:32.27 | javispedro | *rumoured |
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| 20:38.06 | summel | hi. is the current version 20.2010.36-2 for N900? |
| 20:38.42 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:38.49 | summel | hm |
| 20:38.56 | summel | i thought it supported wpa2 oO |
| 20:39.03 | summel | but i dont have that in the list |
| 20:39.12 | summel | and it does not even see my wpa2 network |
| 20:39.13 | summel | oO |
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| 20:40.08 | trx | http://txpad.devbin.org/ <-- if anyone is in need of such an app |
| 20:40.09 | javispedro | that is weird, it does support wpa |
| 20:40.10 | javispedro | 2 |
| 20:40.19 | summel | i thought so too |
| 20:40.23 | trx | later i intend to "link" it with compilers... |
| 20:40.34 | summel | because i remember using it on the wpa2 enterprise network of the university |
| 20:40.35 | summel | oO |
| 20:41.00 | summel | i try turning it off and on again :o |
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| 20:42.52 | summel | btw does anybody want to buy an N900? |
| 20:42.53 | summel | :D |
| 20:42.59 | summel | (german keyboard layout) |
| 20:43.05 | trx | summel try to create a connection manually, and in its advanced options/other there is something like "wpa2 only" |
| 20:43.21 | summel | trx: i did but i only have none, wep and wpa |
| 20:43.21 | trx | never tried that, just saw it there.. |
| 20:43.22 | summel | no wpa2 |
| 20:43.23 | alterego | looks for a useful xml resource to wrap in QML |
| 20:43.25 | summel | :( |
| 20:43.32 | trx | choose wpa |
| 20:43.38 | trx | and test that option.. |
| 20:43.44 | summel | but it is wpa2 :O |
| 20:43.46 | alterego | If anyone has any suggestions ;) |
| 20:43.47 | summel | but i will try |
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| 20:44.02 | summel | i have a randomly generated 20 character long password though :S |
| 20:44.07 | summel | it will take a time to try :D |
| 20:45.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, maraxim did, sec |
| 20:46.18 | MohammadAG | marxian*, whatever :P |
| 20:46.30 | summel | ok i added the connection manually |
| 20:46.39 | alterego | hrm? |
| 20:46.49 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=923127&postcount=124 |
| 20:46.54 | summel | how do i tell it to use it? |
| 20:46.59 | summel | it still does not show up in the list |
| 20:47.06 | MohammadAG | if I understood you correctly :p |
| 20:47.09 | summel | and there is no "connect" button in the connections list |
| 20:47.10 | summel | :o |
| 20:47.29 | alterego | pfft |
| 20:47.43 | alterego | I've already done all the research for that |
| 20:47.55 | alterego | Didn't you read my posts? :P |
| 20:48.00 | MohammadAG | no :) |
| 20:48.19 | alterego | Well, they've all stolen my work :P |
| 20:48.25 | summel | any ideas? :( |
| 20:48.59 | merlin1991 | before they add steam I want xfire :D |
| 20:49.05 | summel | is it a problem that i dont have a sim installed atm? |
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| 20:51.35 | alterego | Do we have any amazon apps |
| 20:51.38 | alterego | ? |
| 20:52.05 | MohammadAG | a homescreen widget only |
| 20:52.12 | alterego | Hrmm, lame |
| 20:53.11 | MohammadAG | hah |
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| 21:11.52 | summel | :S i want my wifi |
| 21:12.04 | summel | how am i supposed to do software updates/install software? :( |
| 21:12.34 | Tsuyo | Hey, does someone here uses the QtMobility Framework? I try to use the "geo" feature. I wanted to use the QGeoAddress. How can i convert my QGeoPosition from onPositionUpdated into QGeoAddress? |
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| 21:20.33 | summel | oh my |
| 21:20.39 | summel | i know what the problem is |
| 21:20.40 | summel | :S |
| 21:20.57 | summel | my wifi is 5GHz only |
| 21:21.00 | makulkar | hi all, my scratchbox says "apt-get" is not a command. What have I messed? |
| 21:21.04 | summel | is that a problem? :o |
| 21:21.10 | Appiah | not root? :) |
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| 21:22.28 | MohammadAG | root doesn't matter, apt-get is in /usr/bin |
| 21:23.08 | makulkar | MohammadAG, Appiah inside scratchbox that is. I need to update/upgrade scratchbox |
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| 21:23.16 | summel | yes :( |
| 21:24.12 | makulkar | when I started settin up, i could use apt-get but it was complaining CPUTRANS was not set. |
| 21:24.16 | ShadowJK | bug 11798 |
| 21:24.17 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 21:24.17 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11798 agps no longer works due to server changes |
| 21:24.30 | RST38h | What? Really? |
| 21:24.49 | ShadowJK | (N810) |
| 21:24.51 | RST38h | Ah, that is poor little N810 |
| 21:25.00 | ShadowJK | N900 is next! |
| 21:25.06 | RST38h | Forgotten by its evil parents |
| 21:25.10 | ShadowJK | :( |
| 21:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | That's just bad enough |
| 21:25.27 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Doesn't Google provide an alterntive agps server? |
| 21:25.35 | ShadowJK | RST38h, doesn't work with google |
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| 21:26.32 | alterego | I'd still use my N810 if it still worked :) |
| 21:26.45 | ShadowJK | I imagine if you're in the US somewhere you'd get served that one working nokia server :) |
| 21:27.06 | ShadowJK | (they probably forgot US exists again, and didn't upgrade the server to new incompatible version) |
| 21:27.28 | RST38h | <sigh> |
| 21:27.52 | RST38h | Nobody has established a third party server so far? |
| 21:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | checks if his spare N810 still is covered by warranty |
| 21:28.33 | MohammadAG | RST38h, 429 users here, how many of them are active ;) |
| 21:28.54 | trx | 29 i would guess ;) |
| 21:29.04 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 21:29.07 | _trine | present Sir |
| 21:29.12 | alterego | Not even that :P |
| 21:29.25 | ShadowJK | I'd still be using N810 gps if my wayfinder license hadn't expired |
| 21:29.26 | ShadowJK | :( |
| 21:29.32 | MohammadAG | yeah, alterego doesn't talk a lot, make that 28 |
| 21:29.40 | trx | :P |
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| 21:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | US exists again? :-D |
| 21:35.41 | rm_work | i'm still here! technically |
| 21:36.01 | RST38h | ah, helo rm_work |
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| 21:45.52 | MohammadAG | PR1.3's hildon-desktop is from July 13th :/ |
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| 21:58.59 | _trine | since I upgraded to pr1.3 I have had little or no updates, prior to upgrading when I was on pr1.2 updates were frequent. Are there less updates now or do I have something wrong? |
| 21:59.53 | MohammadAG | nope, some devs got pissed off, that's it |
| 22:00.11 | _trine | I see |
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| 22:14.39 | alterego | So much code ... |
| 22:15.34 | makulkar | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:19.13 | makulkar | I get "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/." |
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| 22:23.53 | jonwil | jacekowski: ping |
| 22:24.04 | jacekowski | jonwil: pong |
| 22:24.31 | jonwil | You said you could reverse engineer some stuff for me? |
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| 22:26.58 | mikki-kun | hm, is the 'unlock-slider'-screen kind of broken? while it is on i can happily type in an opened xterm... |
| 22:27.49 | jacekowski | possibly |
| 22:27.53 | jacekowski | jonwil: yeah |
| 22:29.00 | mikki-kun | hm... i hope nokia will still make another update which has some crucial bugixes... or did they state otherwise? |
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| 22:33.33 | yigal | has pithos been ported to Maemo? |
| 22:35.02 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you wish :p |
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| 22:35.59 | sid_ | how to wire a usb a-a adaptor? only cross d+ and d-? |
| 22:37.49 | trx | sid_ you mean female <--> female ? |
| 22:37.59 | sid_ | trx: yes |
| 22:38.08 | trx | i did no crossing here |
| 22:38.15 | trx | just connected them by color |
| 22:38.16 | trx | http://img137.imageshack.us/img137/572/20101209001.jpg |
| 22:38.49 | blue_led | @sid_ pin to pin 1 to 1 , 2 to 2 , ... |
| 22:39.14 | sid_ | 1:1 thanks; still have some plugs from a "usb power cable" |
| 22:39.57 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: did they ever state pr1.3 will be the last? |
| 22:40.40 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, it's staring you in the face on bugs.maemo.org :P |
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| 22:47.44 | mikki-kun | hm, they sure have many unsolved :) |
| 22:49.59 | MohammadAG | I'd look at WONTFIX |
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| 22:55.15 | BCMM | but TMO said 1.4 was tomorrow! |
| 22:55.20 | BCMM | (on several occasions) |
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| 23:03.21 | mikki-kun | BCMM: now is tomorrow, where is it? :> |
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| 23:05.11 | ed209 | hi everybody |
| 23:05.45 | ed209 | i'm trying to set up iptables on my nokia n900 |
| 23:06.12 | ed209 | but i don't understand how get to work the nat table |
| 23:06.22 | ed209 | sorry for my english |
| 23:06.29 | MrBawb | ed209: do you have the power kernel? |
| 23:06.31 | BCMM | ed209: which kernel do you use? |
| 23:06.35 | BCMM | MrBawb: you win :) |
| 23:06.39 | MrBawb | :) |
| 23:06.51 | ed209 | the default kernel |
| 23:07.45 | ed209 | there is'nt a package from the extra devel repository with iptables nat working? |
| 23:07.54 | BCMM | ed209: the default kernel doesn't include NAT. i didn't think it included iptables at all. |
| 23:08.05 | BCMM | ed209: kernel-power does NAT |
| 23:08.39 | BCMM | there are various caveats about kernel-power, read the wiki |
| 23:08.50 | BCMM | mostly, don't uninstall it carelessly or you'll have to reflash |
| 23:09.12 | ed209 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/iptables/ |
| 23:09.22 | ed209 | here say iptables with nat |
| 23:09.50 | ieatlint | iptables is a userspace application that interfaces with netfilter in the kernel |
| 23:09.59 | ieatlint | the default kernel doesn't have netfilter, as pointed out |
| 23:09.59 | ed209 | i was wondering if there was a way to get this working without the kernel power |
| 23:10.10 | ieatlint | so yes, you can run iptables, but it can't do anything without kernel support |
| 23:10.33 | MrBawb | realistically, the only way to do nat is through the power kernel |
| 23:10.54 | BCMM | ed209: my emphasis: "These are the *user-space* administration tools for the Linuxkernel's netfilter and iptables" |
| 23:11.09 | ieatlint | not just realistically... the only way is with a new kernel |
| 23:11.10 | BCMM | you still need kernel support |
| 23:11.34 | BCMM | ed209: kernel-power isn't a problem, really |
| 23:11.38 | ed209 | ok, than i just type apt-get install kernel-power-settings? |
| 23:11.53 | BCMM | "kernel-power-settings"? |
| 23:12.03 | ieatlint | yes |
| 23:12.12 | ed209 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Installation_of_the_stable_kernel_from_extras |
| 23:12.17 | ed209 | i'm reading this |
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| 23:12.28 | ieatlint | installing "kernel-power-settings" is the way the wiki recommends, which will pull in the dependencies required like "kernel-power" |
| 23:12.45 | ieatlint | so yes, that should work without any issue, but best to perform a backup anyway |
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| 23:13.30 | Pauly | i have an n900. |
| 23:13.38 | ed209 | there is the risk to brick the nokia? |
| 23:13.46 | ieatlint | no |
| 23:14.09 | ieatlint | but in the *unlikely* event of failure, you will need a computer to reflash the kernel |
| 23:14.20 | ed209 | ok |
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| 23:14.44 | ieatlint | however, your device won't be dead, and even if you do need to do that, it shouldn't even delete your files |
| 23:15.22 | ieatlint | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image is what is involved in fixing a bad kernel on the phone |
| 23:15.37 | BCMM | ieatlint: oh, sorry |
| 23:15.51 | ieatlint | BCMM: nah, it's not that intuitive.. :P |
| 23:15.57 | ieatlint | shockingly... |
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| 23:16.09 | ed209 | the stable kernel power package from the extra repository includes the nat features or i have to install the package from the extra-devel? |
| 23:16.20 | BCMM | ed209: it's pretty hard to "brick" the n900 properly, at least without using overclocking. it is, however, easy to get it in a state in which you need to reflash from a PC (which is sometimes called "bricking") |
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| 23:16.32 | ieatlint | ed209: stable will work just fine for you |
| 23:16.40 | BCMM | (but imho should not be) |
| 23:16.56 | ed209 | thanks to everybody |
| 23:17.12 | ieatlint | np |
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| 23:20.23 | jacekowski | ed209: always go for version from devel |
| 23:20.34 | jacekowski | ed209: version from stable are old |
| 23:22.07 | ed209 | i don't care i just need nat |
| 23:22.08 | mikki-kun | wow, someone promoting devel :o |
| 23:22.19 | ieatlint | heh, he doesn't need anything that new |
| 23:22.28 | ieatlint | stable is stable, and gets the job done without issue |
| 23:22.41 | ed209 | yep |
| 23:23.29 | mikki-kun | which version is in extras? |
| 23:23.37 | jacekowski | latest |
| 23:23.48 | jacekowski | devel is stable as well |
| 23:23.56 | jacekowski | i never had any problems with stuff from devel |
| 23:24.34 | mikki-kun | i think i had once or twice... |
| 23:24.47 | mikki-kun | but devel is getting way more stable these days |
| 23:25.05 | ieatlint | well, the package maintainer seems to disagree, having not promoted it to extras-testing |
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| 23:28.33 | mikki-kun | 42 seems to be in extras.... |
| 23:30.39 | jacekowski | ieatlint: or doesn't care |
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| 23:32.13 | ieatlint | doubts this debate will lead anywhere worthwhile |
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| 23:38.07 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 23:38.44 | TiagoTiago | what could be making the Photos program not see any picture unless i tell it to look into an specific folder? |
| 23:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | -devel apps will break one thing for sure, restorability of a 1.2 backup |
| 23:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: config of trackerd |
| 23:40.22 | TiagoTiago | what can i do to help narrow down the cause? |
| 23:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | check the config file, restore the original config file |
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| 23:42.08 | TiagoTiago | do you got the path to that file by heart or i'll have to google for it? |
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| 23:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | check my <user>/tools page in wiki |
| 23:44.39 | TiagoTiago | k, thx |
| 23:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | or use that app, called trackercontrol or whatever |
| 23:45.35 | TiagoTiago | that will also affect the Photos prog? |
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| 23:46.19 | MohammadAG | media, photos, everything related to tracker |
| 23:46.26 | MohammadAG | use tracker-cfg from the repos |
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| 23:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | though it might use different configs for photos and for other media. At least there's also a "tool" called thumbnailerd |
| 23:47.20 | TiagoTiago | do i click "Rebuild databases" ? |
| 23:47.53 | TiagoTiago | I mean, should i? |
| 23:48.41 | TiagoTiago | i already tried restore original and restart tracker |
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| 23:50.35 | TiagoTiago | well, i'll see what happens then |
| 23:50.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, tracker calls that |
| 23:51.01 | MohammadAG | (afaik) |
| 23:51.49 | TiagoTiago | still "(no images)" :( |
| 23:52.46 | MohammadAG | overclocked? |
| 23:52.58 | MohammadAG | pokes javispedro with a stylus |
| 23:53.07 | TiagoTiago | not recently |
| 23:53.28 | MohammadAG | corrupt /home? |
| 23:53.33 | javispedro | pokes MohammadAG with a sausage |
| 23:54.03 | javispedro | aka capacitive styles |
| 23:54.22 | TiagoTiago | i can browse to it just fine, and telling Photos to open a folder inside MyDocs shows the images in that folder |
| 23:54.26 | MohammadAG | feeds sausage to random dog in the streets |
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| 23:57.16 | TiagoTiago | hm, Media Player now also doesn't see anything :( |
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| 23:57.30 | ed209 | i did it |
| 23:57.36 | ed209 | it works like a charm |
| 23:57.48 | ed209 | tahnks to everyone |
| 23:58.25 | MohammadAG | well |
| 23:58.31 | MohammadAG | either your /home is full, or corrupt |
| 23:58.38 | MohammadAG | so tracker can't regenerate files |
| 23:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | or trackerd gone on vacation or sanity health care |
| 23:59.18 | MohammadAG | if /home is corrupt, I suggest you don't try to be a smartass (like I did once), backup what you have nicely, then flash eMMC |
| 23:59.25 | MohammadAG | fsck just... fskced it up |
| 23:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | but a full ~ sounds good |
