IRC log for #maemo on 20110115

00:00.01sid_onif it is final it should govern backlight automatically
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00:00.34sid_onwhen i run it once 10sec; will it consume much power?
00:00.42mikki-kunMohammadAG: thanks :) (sorry, i was just correcting some maths for a friend of mine - and my internet died as you might have noticed)
00:01.15sid_on*electrical
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00:03.37JZAhi today I recieved a Maemo 5 notification update, which seems new
00:03.59JZAit now has a description that I can download it over wlan
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00:04.16MohammadAGalterego, got that QTimeLine patch you sent me once?
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00:05.11alteregoMohammadAG: nope :P
00:05.14JZAok this is a bit confusing
00:05.44JZAthe description of the package says: "Download now via WLAN to get the latest Maemo 5 fixes, better support for apps... "
00:05.55JZAbut when I select it it ask me to connect to the computer via USB
00:06.11MohammadAGalterego, naw
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00:06.22JZAnow, I use linux and have had issues updating the n900 with the RX..bin package for some reason.
00:06.27alteregoI'm not even sure what I was patching :)
00:06.29MohammadAGalterego, wouldn't Qt Animation Framework be better?
00:06.36MohammadAGlol the mediabar
00:06.48MohammadAGI recall you had it under some research directory
00:06.50alteregoQTimeLine is part of the Qt Animation framework.
00:06.58MohammadAGoh?
00:07.09alteregoAnd I used it because QPropertyAnimation didn't work.
00:07.12alteregofwir
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00:07.24MohammadAGhttp://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/ <-- 404 lol
00:07.31alteregoYou're going to hate me ..
00:07.43alteregoI deleted that literally a couple of hour ago ..
00:07.53MohammadAGI hate you
00:07.54MohammadAG:P
00:07.57alterego:)
00:08.15MohammadAGdo you recall the extension?
00:08.29alteregoFor what?
00:08.32alterego.cpp ? :P
00:08.33MohammadAGthe patch
00:08.37MohammadAGoh it was a .cpp?
00:08.42MohammadAGcrap, thought it was a .patch
00:08.46alteregoYeah, I didn't do a .patch
00:09.12MohammadAG<3 my lazy ways
00:09.27MohammadAGNokia-N900:/home/user/MyDocs/.documents# ls *.cpp
00:09.27MohammadAGwidget.cpp
00:09.48DocScrutinizer51~spank MohammadAG - just because
00:09.48infobotACTION bends MohammadAG - just because over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG - just because's pasty white buttocks.
00:10.11MohammadAGyep, that's the one
00:10.12JZAcan I get any support on how to update my N900?
00:10.16MohammadAGalterego, ty :P
00:10.24MohammadAGclick on the update, click update
00:10.25JZAor is this a developer channel and I should ask somewhere else?
00:10.29alteregoHeh
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00:12.05alteregoJZA: how do yo uwant to update? flashing or OTA?
00:12.39JZAalterego: well I thought I could get OTA now. Flashing doesn't seem to work with mandriva.
00:16.14jonwilCan anyone tell me how to
00:16.19jonwiloops
00:16.22jonwilwrong window
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00:18.56JZAalterego: any recomendation?
00:19.00DocScrutinizerflashing should work with most if not all linux boxes
00:19.18alteregoJZA: if it's not working on Mandriva you're doing something wrong.
00:19.22alteregoWhat error are you getting?
00:19.29DocScrutinizergetting OTA to work usually is feasible as well
00:19.33alteregoAnd have you backed everything up and prepared to reflash your phone?
00:19.53JZAalterego: yes, basically is a usb message
00:20.12DocScrutinizerJZA: and no, this isn't a devel channel. Questions about updating perfectly fine here
00:20.33alteregoJZA: are you running as root?
00:20.36JZAwhen I restart with the 'o' button and wait it to become idle, the message shows still waiting ont he device.
00:20.38JZAalterego: yeah
00:20.56alteregoYou don't need to restart with 'o'
00:21.00alteregoTurn off your device.
00:21.04DocScrutinizerJZA: you know:
00:21.06DocScrutinizer~flash
00:21.06infoboti guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
00:21.28alteregoMake sure it's not plugged in, start flasher, then (phone switched off) plug it in to the usb, and wait.
00:21.29JZAalterego: I did
00:21.48JZAit just charge
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00:22.14DocScrutinizerJZA: check "troubleshooting" in obove URL
00:22.19DocScrutinizeravove*
00:22.20JZAI did
00:22.28JZAthats why I am asking for OTA
00:22.42DocScrutinizeryou modprobe -r cdc_phonet ?`
00:22.55JZADocScrutinizer: what you mean?
00:23.16JZAI have no idea how to update OTA
00:23.22JZAexcept through the app manager
00:23.36DocScrutinizerIf you get "Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy" error, make sure you run the flasher with sudo. If this does not fix the problem, as root, run "modprobe -r cdc_phonet".
00:23.42DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting
00:24.14JZAso how can I update OTA?
00:24.26DocScrutinizerJZA: ota is only via Hildon App Manager
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00:24.39alteregocontemplates how he can get icons from mimetypes
00:24.51JZADocScrutinizer: so
00:25.02JZAwhat's the steps for that?
00:25.19JZAI tried the app manager but just get me a message to plug it to the PC with the Nokia Updater
00:25.29JZAbut that beats the porpouse of OTA
00:25.30DocScrutinizerFIRST: read http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely*
00:25.35alteregoAnd mimetpes from extensions
00:25.55DocScrutinizerJZA: yes, that's a known issue, quite frequently
00:26.03DocScrutinizerread http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware - *completely*
00:26.22DocScrutinizerit has links to pages how to cope with that and put OTA to work
00:26.31JZADocScrutinizer: I dont see much info of OTA there.
00:26.33JZAok
00:26.47MohammadAGalterego, why do you call show() and hide()?
00:26.56DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Seamless_Software_Update
00:27.01MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
00:27.03MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
00:27.03MohammadAG<PROTECTED>
00:27.47alteregoMohammadAG: probably because it's fucked with the compositor and that's all I could do to get it to work.
00:28.36DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/OTA_to_PR1.1_troubleshooting
00:28.41DocScrutinizerstill aplies
00:28.55trip0why are you calling 'this' all the time? is this python?
00:29.43MohammadAGno
00:29.56trip0c++
00:29.57trip0?
00:30.01MohammadAGyes
00:30.10MohammadAGpython doesn't use ;
00:30.16trip0good point
00:30.17MohammadAGor ->
00:30.19DocScrutinizer>>With the brand new PR1.1 software update recently rolled out, some users experienced problems which, in most cases, led them to get a nice message from the Application Manager telling them that they would need to install the update by flashing the device with the NSU/flasher utilities (a clear symptom of this is that you get to a dialog with a "Create backup" button only, but not a "Continue" button at all).
00:30.23MohammadAGif I'm not mistaken
00:30.32alteregotrip0: python also commonly uses "self" not "this" ..
00:30.38trip0oh yeah
00:30.39trip0heh
00:30.44alteregoPython can use ';' though
00:30.55MohammadAGalterego, I hate you :P
00:31.22DocScrutinizerJZA: you got this ^^^ ?
00:31.30alteregoMohammadAG: why?
00:31.34alteregoWhat did I do now?
00:31.40DocScrutinizer(the links and quotes)
00:31.50MohammadAGyou pointed out that I'm wrong :P
00:32.03alterego:)
00:32.04DocScrutinizeryou're always wrong, no?
00:32.09DocScrutinizer:-P
00:32.34DocScrutinizerI mean, look where you're living
00:32.52DocScrutinizernm j/k
00:32.54JZADocScrutinizer: yeah is something like that
00:32.58MohammadAGOi, watch it, you and Israel had some war :P
00:33.17alteregoSo, anyone know how I get the mimetype and icon info for a file?
00:33.17MohammadAGmight have been hitler's times, but still
00:33.25MohammadAGfile?
00:33.31alteregoBonus points if you can tell me how to get an images thumbnail from tracker.
00:33.35MohammadAGand why mimetypes?
00:33.51MohammadAGthere's QDesktopServices if you want to open something
00:33.57DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: when Hitler was alive, there's been no such thing like Israel
00:34.09MohammadAGthere were jews though
00:34.22MohammadAGnaw
00:34.22DocScrutinizerI'd not call THAT a war
00:34.27MohammadAGI was wrong
00:34.41alteregoMohammadAG: well, I still need icons ..
00:34.55MohammadAGalterego, scan tracker?
00:35.03JZAok is late, and it seems that there is no easy way out. I'll try it tomorrow.
00:35.03alteregoI'll deal with tracker later
00:35.09MohammadAGthen call the app yo dawg, bonus points if you figure out why
00:35.22alteregoFor now I just want file type icons
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00:36.04alteregoOr I stick with Qt defaults: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/Screenshot-20110114-200009.png
00:36.06MohammadAGalterego, libtrackerclient0-dev
00:36.15MohammadAGeww
00:36.17alteregoMohammadAG: not interested in tracker at the moment.
00:36.35alteregoI don't need tracker to get icons for filetypes ..
00:36.35MohammadAGat least use the hillon icons!
00:36.37MohammadAGhildon*
00:36.45alteregoThat's what I'm trying to fucking do!
00:36.46MohammadAGoh btw
00:36.49MohammadAGfilebox does it
00:36.52MohammadAGI think
00:36.56DocScrutinizeralterego: Stereo MCs (?) "tell that pile a shit I'll deal with him later"
00:36.57alteregoIs filebox Qt?
00:37.01MohammadAGyes
00:37.14MohammadAGin fact, I'd pretty much prefer you wrap that into your app
00:37.21MohammadAGit has delegates and all that stuff done for you
00:37.26alteregoI don't care what you'd prefer :P
00:37.34MohammadAGtakes out his knife
00:37.52MohammadAGalterego, don't make me google "The Pub"
00:38.03alteregoHeh
00:38.08MohammadAGand yeah, filebox shows a debian icon for deb files
00:38.14MohammadAG.JPG for jpgs etc
00:38.21alterego-_-
00:38.41DocScrutinizerchem|st: thanks for the shugar cubes :-D
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00:40.36MohammadAGalterego, http://i55.tinypic.com/1hwnk8.jpg
00:40.48DocScrutinizerheard that's some magic with mimetypes ;-P
00:41.23MohammadAGtests
00:41.34alteregoThat would be great, if I was implementing a filemanager ..
00:41.44alteregoNot to mention his delegate is ugly as shit.
00:41.51DocScrutinizerLOL
00:41.54alteregoHis source is disgusting too.
00:42.11MohammadAGdidn't see the source :P
00:42.17alteregowhy is he distributing ui_* sourcefiles -_-
00:42.18MohammadAGexcept for the share dialog
00:42.29MohammadAGfail make clean :P
00:42.54alteregoAnd fail at packaging.
00:42.54MohammadAGI find qmake; make distclean the best cleaner
00:42.54DocScrutinizerrotfl - exactly what my boss told me about my first concoction
00:43.05MohammadAGsomeone's cranky tonight :P
00:43.20alteregoHe has a config file which maps extensions to icon names
00:43.24alteregoThen he ships his own icons.
00:43.27DocScrutinizerMEEEE??
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00:43.34DocScrutinizerlol, no way
00:43.34MohammadAGno
00:43.39DocScrutinizeraaah
00:43.41alteregoYup
00:43.43MohammadAGalterego, lies, those are ubuntu's!
00:43.44MohammadAG:P
00:43.52MohammadAGrecognizes humanity theme
00:43.52DocScrutinizeralterego always a bit more grumpy than me
00:43.59alteregoHe also has a config file for special directories.
00:44.01MohammadAGalways? lol
00:44.09alterego:)
00:44.23woglindehm no squeeze for sb2 I guess
00:44.40MohammadAGwell, if it makes you feel better
00:44.44MohammadAGI don't hate you anymore
00:44.48MohammadAG:p
00:45.00MohammadAGsb2 is meh, legacy ftw!
00:45.27DocScrutinizerscreambox?
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00:45.49woglindetse tse
00:46.08woglindego compile navit for yourself
00:46.45woglindehm I could update the chroot
00:46.47woglindehaha
00:47.29woglindesb2 2.2 was released 31.12
00:47.38javispedrowoglinde: sb2 should be fully capable of using your host's tools
00:47.54alteregoGod, and he's using globals ..
00:47.58alteregoLoads of globals ..
00:48.11woglindeand is not using qml
00:48.18woglindethats hardest
00:48.25alteregoO_o
00:48.44MohammadAGalterego, I like the looks of QML
00:48.49MohammadAG(in cuteTube)
00:49.15MohammadAGhe has some coverflow-like search results
00:49.25alteregom'hm
00:49.33DocScrutinizerI like the look of pauley perette
00:49.57alteregoSo I say, "Use QML, it can do what you want really easily" and you say "It's too webby 2.0 for meee"
00:50.05piggzwhats your guys dev environment.....im using a virual machine running scratchbox...and transferring files via git, and wondering if its optimal ;)
00:50.08alteregoBut you see some shiny example, and now you like QML ..
00:50.12alteregoTypical ..
00:50.23alteregopiggz: not with git :P
00:50.29MohammadAGalterego, you didn't see what I said :P
00:50.30alteregoI transfer files with scp
00:50.35MohammadAGI like the looks of it, not the code :P
00:50.48woglindetransferring via git?
00:50.49DocScrutinizerexcept this one - OMG :-o http://www.thenewtattoos.com/celeb/pauleyp6.jpg
00:50.50woglindewtf
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00:51.12piggzalterego: i was using sftp, but it became a pita when i needed to commit, trying to keep both machines in sync :)
00:51.32woglinde?
00:51.59alteregoDocScrutinizer: do you know how Maemo handles filetypes?
00:52.12jonwilIs there a way that I can copy the files (i.e. /bin, /lib etc) from my N900 so I have a backup of the current contents on the N900 in case I screw something up messing with it?
00:52.19DocScrutinizeralterego: alas not, otherwise I'd have dropped you a note
00:52.25alteregoI thought it had something to do with gconf ..
00:52.27woglindejonwil?
00:52.38MohammadAGalterego, .desktop files afaik
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00:52.46MohammadAGI had a play with them and xarchiver
00:52.52woglindejonwil maemo5 is not android
00:52.58MohammadAGthat's for opening files actually, nevermind
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00:53.16jonwilI know that
00:53.19alteregoActually, that's for hildon-desktop to associate filetypes and apps
00:53.22MohammadAGalterego, ping mece when he's on
00:53.35DocScrutinizerjonwil: look into backup-menu V2
00:53.47MohammadAGit's related to lib-fm or whatever
00:53.48DocScrutinizeralso learn to SFTP
00:54.05MohammadAGyes
00:54.06MohammadAGii  libhildonfm2                         1:2.28.21+0m5                        Hildon file management libraries.
00:54.34alteregoLame, I'm not going that deep.
00:54.39alteregoWell, actually I might.
00:54.51javispedro"filetypes"?
00:54.51MohammadAGyou will, muhahaha
00:55.05javispedrohttp://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Application_Development/MIME_type_mapping
00:55.05DocScrutinizermumbles "URL handlers? NAH!"
00:55.30DocScrutinizerjavispedro to the rescue \o/
00:56.03woglindedoc? the developer is a must for every developer
00:56.09woglindeups + guide
00:56.22javispedromore like, the old developer guide to the rescue (the new one being a PDF in FN that noone downloaded...)
00:56.41DocScrutinizeryeah, I know. But I dunno that particular branch of wiki in all gory detail :-)
00:57.10alteregoTo be honest, that's no help.
00:57.13DocScrutinizerhooray for pdf docs :-S
00:57.18alteregoAnd I already read it :P
00:57.47woglinderead it again
00:57.54alteregoWhy?
00:58.04woglindeto be sure
00:58.15alteregoI'll pass thanks.
00:59.08DocScrutinizeralterego: ?? >>When the hildon_mime_open_* API is called with a URI, GnomeVFS is used to get the MIME type
00:59.25javispedrowhat do you want to do?
00:59.26woglindeurgs gnomevfs
00:59.40woglindethat should die
00:59.41alteregoI want to get an hildon theme icon for a filetype
00:59.48DocScrutinizerjavispedro: he wants to determine which icon to use for a file
01:00.27DocScrutinizerwoglinde: ""read it again"" ;-D
01:00.43javispedrothen he wants this: http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/libhildonmime/libhildonmime/hildon-mime.h
01:00.52javispedro(or /usr/include/hildon-mime.h iirc)
01:01.10DocScrutinizerjavispedro for president - ooops you are, aren't you?
01:01.15alteregoWoof
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01:01.25alteregoI can't be bothered to write a gnomevfs Qt wrapper :/
01:01.35alteregoAnd then add bs hildon fm support :/
01:01.49alteregocontemplates the hackish way.
01:01.53DocScrutinizerkicks alterego
01:01.57woglindelol
01:01.59alteregoMeeGo is EOL ffs
01:02.01javispedroDocScrutinizer: no, for some reason I kept the cloak...
01:02.03woglindethats the donkey-way
01:02.19alteregoNo one is going to care if I don't do it the "proper" way.
01:02.26alteregofilebox guy did it an ass retarded way.
01:02.30woglindeI will hate you
01:02.42DocScrutinizerhehehe
01:03.03DocScrutinizerchan is fun today
01:03.10woglindeits friday
01:03.13alteregotbh, I would do it the proper, nice, decent way, if I thought it'd be useful for anyone else in the future. But it realy isn't ..
01:03.17woglindein some parts of the earth
01:03.18DocScrutinizeryeah FRIIIDAY
01:03.26alteregoSaturday for me now ..
01:03.37alteregoJust realised it's 1am
01:03.50javispedroknow wants to know which binary is touching the alsa mixer when the headphones are plugged in
01:03.58DocScrutinizer2011-01-15 02:03
01:04.00javispedro*now wants to know.
01:04.14MohammadAGjavispedro, could be the volume status menu
01:04.14woglindestrace it?
01:04.22MohammadAGthat thing is a sneaky bastard
01:04.25MohammadAGit does lots of things
01:04.49DocScrutinizerjavispedro: believe me you don't want to know :-P
01:05.02alteregoI thought it was mce ..
01:05.07DocScrutinizernah
01:05.08jonwilsounds like there are a few "sneaky bastards" on the N900, most of which are closed source...
01:05.24DocScrutinizerjonwil: :nod:
01:05.31javispedrona, doesn't seem to be volume_status_menu_item.so
01:05.38alteregojonwil: well, would you rather a shit tonne of sneaky little bastards?
01:05.42javispedroit's also 24KiB only
01:05.48alteregoOver a few slightly larger sneaky bastards.
01:06.28DocScrutinizeralterego: you sneaky bastard
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01:07.33DocScrutinizerjavispedro: you're aware bme is a PA plugin?
01:07.38nox-is cutetube supposed to be currently working
01:07.41nox-?
01:07.44DocScrutinizerlsof|grep bme X-P
01:08.03alteregoDocScrutinizer: I think that's for battery warning ;)
01:08.06MohammadAGnox-, supposedly, it got too bloated so I stopped using it
01:08.06alteregoNot anything too serious
01:08.11DocScrutinizeralterego: prolly
01:08.47nox-hmmk i clicked on play and now its busy for a few minutes already...
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01:08.52javispedroaaah -- alsaped probably
01:08.58DocScrutinizeryes
01:09.02nox-(without playing anything yet)
01:09.37DocScrutinizerjavispedro: I always wondered why it's ALSAped, not PAped
01:09.40MohammadAGlmao I fucked something up
01:09.49MohammadAGnow the mediabar goes like swoosh from right to left
01:10.07DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: damn, you *must* have a lot of them (a*'s)
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01:11.33DocScrutinizernow for the sugarcubes (let's see what N900 thinks this is, when plugged to the AV)
01:12.18DocScrutinizermmph, headphone. Well what else
01:12.20javispedroalsaped is currently on #maemo (10h 51m)
01:12.29DocScrutinizerheadset actually
01:13.05DocScrutinizerjavispedro: o.O ?!?
01:13.20javispedroold joke: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-devel-irclog/%23maemo-devel.2010-09-18.log.html#t2010-09-18T19:24:39
01:14.02DocScrutinizercurses and once again swaps # and %23
01:14.18DocScrutinizermgedmin: FIX THAT!!
01:14.54DocScrutinizer(yeah I know it's basically a bug somewhere in KDE/konqui)
01:15.01DocScrutinizeror even Kontact
01:15.09DocScrutinizererr Konversation
01:16.18DocScrutinizer~seen MNZ
01:16.24infobotmnz <~mnzaki@41.233.159.57> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 101d 5h 44m 18s ago, saying: 'I'm not sure which parts are closed'.
01:16.24MohammadAGwants mono music through the earpiece
01:16.24MohammadAGwho's kind enough to do that?
01:16.35MohammadAGwow, it's been 101d
01:16.43DocScrutinizer:'(
01:16.45javispedrowell, real life calls sometimes
01:17.12MohammadAGI wonder how large you 3 month call's bill was
01:17.46MohammadAGyou were gone the whole summer :P
01:17.50DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I don't pay when I get called. I never call RL
01:17.52javispedrobasically alsaped is now made redundant as the pulseaudio monster gained that functionality
01:18.24MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, call blocker?
01:18.27MohammadAGah
01:18.30MohammadAGxP
01:18.55DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nope, here inbound calls are free
01:19.08alteregoMeh, I think I'll just leave default qt icons for now
01:19.12alteregoSee how it looks on MeeGo
01:19.32DocScrutinizernah, I'm feeling sick even without doing that
01:19.57MohammadAGMeeGo doesn't style Qt apps :P
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01:20.20MohammadAGin displays them in that old Gtk style, the one that looks like a brownish win 95
01:20.22alteregoYou mean, Qt doesn't yet style for MeeGo :P
01:20.55MohammadAGMeeGo should provide themes
01:21.07MohammadAGregardless of what I mean, it'll look crappy :P
01:21.11alteregoYou obviously don't understand how these things work
01:21.34alteregoQt needs a style engine for MeeGo, so it can look and feel like MTF apps.
01:21.35MohammadAGQGtkStyle provides a theme, widgets get painted, largely simplified :P
01:21.44MohammadAG(Maemo)
01:21.44alteregoMeeGo isn't Gtk
01:21.48MohammadAGI know
01:21.54alteregoRight then, shuddup :P
01:22.07MohammadAGMeeGo Touch Framework's meh :p
01:22.22MohammadAGputs alterego to bed
01:22.27alteregoWhat has this got to do with MTF?
01:22.46MohammadAGYou brought it up, I felt like complaining :)
01:22.49DocScrutinizerto me it seems MeEgo is trying to mimick whyPhone/Andridiot (and can't decide which one), while they don't realize that's a lost race and they always are the miserable 2nd at best. I'd love to learn they got the catch and create something *unique* more like a good desktop downsized and made fingerfriendly, rather than copying shit parts from those luser OS's
01:22.49alteregoIt's just the theme that we're talking about, and which Qt is lacking engines for.
01:23.11MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, if you can't decide, mimic both
01:23.18alteregoDocScrutinizer: good thing about Meego is, we can do that ourselves.
01:23.27DocScrutinizerthat seems to be what meego is after
01:23.27MohammadAGand so can every company
01:23.33MohammadAG= shitload of UIs
01:23.37alteregoOne we have a stable, fully working base. We can build our own UXs
01:23.40MohammadAGsame as android with sense/stock/whatever
01:23.47alteregoGive a shit
01:23.51alteregoWho cares what other people are doing?
01:24.00alteregoExcept to maybe get ideas and inspiration ..
01:24.00MohammadAG<MohammadAG> = shitload of UIs
01:24.13alteregoThat's not true though
01:24.20MohammadAGhopefully
01:24.28DocScrutinizeralterego: and - especially - learn how to do it - NOT
01:24.43alteregoA company has to maintain a certain amount of stack and functionality to be called "MeeGo" otherwise it has to be called something else.
01:24.58alteregoMeeGo is about keeping coherency, something that even Android is losing.
01:25.48alteregoAnyway, if you're unhappy with the UX, do it better.
01:26.04DocScrutinizerI'd be happy to find I can have a non-MickeyMouse "desktop" on meego, and nevertheless Nokia closed source dialer will work
01:26.21alteregoIt's not a closed source dialer ..
01:26.41alteregoEverything is open in MeeGo (well, except the obvious sgx, bme, gps ...)
01:26.47DocScrutinizeryeah, it's no dialer at all so far
01:26.51javispedro:)
01:26.54alteregoYes there is
01:26.58MohammadAGdialer works DocScrutinizer
01:27.00alteregoI can make phone calls using MeeGo ..
01:27.02MohammadAGit even rings
01:27.09DocScrutinizerOMG
01:27.14MohammadAGand makes private calls public due to missing audio routing
01:27.21DocScrutinizerthere's still hope then
01:27.24alteregoYou can even talk. Though policies are not finished so only through loud speaker.
01:27.40javispedroDocScrutinizer: sorry to kill your hope but we don't know what dialer Nokia will ship.
01:27.54MohammadAGjavispedro, Nokia won't ship any - at least for the N900
01:27.54DocScrutinizerthought as much :-P
01:28.06alteregoI don't give a crap what Nokia ship as long as I can have an open MeeGo on my devices.
01:28.14javispedrosighs
01:28.16javispedroI know this music.
01:28.41woglindehaha good I can fake the sb2 catalouge
01:28.50woglindeor corrrect
01:28.58jonwilWhats happening to the telephony libraries in MeeGo? I know in Maemo5 all the telephony and comms libraries (including modem control, routing data to 3G etc) are nokia closed binaries.
01:29.09MohammadAGofono
01:29.11bef0rdofono
01:29.15woglindemeegoo uses ofono
01:29.32DocScrutinizerfires up recorder to get the music recorded on the mag strip of his credit card
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01:29.50MohammadAGwants slide to answer in MeeGo dialer
01:30.14MohammadAGactually I recall I started experimenting on that, but failed to build due to missing libmeegotouch-dev
01:30.15alteregoWhat's so great about slide to answer?
01:30.35MohammadAGyou don't answer without sliding a slider
01:30.44MohammadAGslightly better on resistive screens
01:30.54jonwilHow is ofono going to work on N900 if Nokia didnt document any of the low level stuff (i.e. how the closed userspace libraries talk to the closed cell radio)?
01:30.55DocScrutinizerbetter usability
01:31.02MohammadAGbut of course, you don't give a crap since the next device is capacitive right? :P
01:31.04jonwilOr has that been sorted for MeeGo somehow?
01:31.23MohammadAGjonwil, it works with nitdroid and meego, nothing special
01:31.32bef0rdnokia people is working on that I believe
01:31.37alteregojonwil: ofono has a driver to talk to the cellmo
01:31.40DocScrutinizerjonwil: there's some docs about err phonet?
01:31.42alteregoIt's a standard Nokia cellmo
01:31.48alteregoAnd phonet is quite well known.
01:32.13alteregoIt was probably the first ofono driver
01:32.21DocScrutinizer(where the FSCK is my recorder app?)
01:32.26jonwilonly thing non-standard about it is that it doesn't do CBSMS even though many other nokias do :
01:32.28jonwil:(
01:32.28MohammadAGtbh
01:32.52MohammadAGI think the best thing to do is get some pandaboard and a 4" resistive screen, then get all the components needed and build your own phone
01:32.58alteregojonwil: you know ofono doesn't do CBSMS?
01:33.00MohammadAGyou'll end up with what you want
01:33.09jonwilheh :P
01:33.16jonwilsounds like there are no closed-source bits that will prevent MeeGo running on the N900 then
01:33.22alteregoMohammadAG: if you want something the size of a house sure :P
01:33.30jonwilas in all the bits that are closed will also work with MeeGo
01:33.32MohammadAGThread of the year! http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68346
01:33.32alteregojonwil: what?
01:33.45alteregojonwil: everything already works with meego
01:33.51alteregoexcept gps, but that's being worked on.
01:33.51jonwilok, thats great
01:34.31MohammadAGreplies
01:34.52javispedroMohammadAG: guy is a known troll
01:35.00javispedroMohammadAG: and I don't mean that javispedro guy.
01:35.01alteregoThe N900 will have a fully working MeeGo before a vendor MeeGo handset comes out, imo
01:35.17alteregoHe's trololling ..
01:35.31DocScrutinizerare the repos down once again?
01:35.32MohammadAGjavispedro, trust me, I know http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=918647&postcount=4
01:36.09MohammadAGwhat if Nokia releases the N9 two days after announcing it?
01:36.14alteregoHe's like a more annoying, younger abill_uk ^.^
01:36.33MohammadAGalterego, abill_uk is an engineer, please respect him cause he said he's one
01:36.48MohammadAG(what happened to that guy?)
01:36.50javispedroa trash management engineer.
01:37.00MohammadAGjavispedro, still an engineer! :p
01:37.20alteregoHe sort of disapeared, though I noticed he posted something not so long ago.
01:37.33MohammadAGthere was some other troll
01:37.35MohammadAGforgot his name
01:37.42alteregoHe seems to have just given up and decided to get on with his life ;)
01:37.58alteregoHe was convinced I was stalking him at some point.
01:37.59MohammadAGgoogles for abill_uk android forums
01:38.31MohammadAGweren't you?
01:38.46MohammadAGyou can admit it, the channel isn't logged - much
01:39.36javispedrodon't worry, I'll fix his Fringe application or whatever it's called.
01:39.45javispedrowhere's that mtd thrashing .deb package...
01:39.48MohammadAGI think it's closed source
01:39.51MohammadAGLMFAO
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01:40.54MohammadAGwouldn't one rm -rf \* in postinst do?
01:41.08MohammadAG(s///\/ intended)
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01:44.01DocScrutinizerWTF fring. Thought that's called skype
01:44.19jeckellI would like to use Yahoo Messenger and enable the webcam on my Nokia N900.  is there a program that will allow me to do this?
01:45.34woglindewhat?
01:45.39sid_onnew to maemo; after "echo 1 > bl_power" display dont go "on"
01:45.49sid_onin /sys/class/backlight/acx565akm
01:45.56alteregoAnyhow, bed time n'night
01:47.57mikki-kunjavispedro: yahoo has not opened its sources for even audio on linux...
01:48.02sid_onok; forget it "echo "" bl_power" solve it; bool
01:48.08DocScrutinizerGRRRR, N900 DNS resolver fsckup
01:48.12DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping nokia.com
01:48.14DocScrutinizerping: bad address 'nokia.com'
01:48.22mikki-kun:D
01:49.04mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: "echo "nameserver 8.8.4.4" >> /etc/resolv.conf" <--- should resolve the problem literally :)
01:49.07DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping google.com
01:49.08DocScrutinizerping: bad address 'google.com'
01:49.09jeckellare there any programs that allow me to take advantage of the webcam on the front of the device?
01:49.10DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# ping ct.de
01:49.11DocScrutinizerPING ct.de (212.34.176.172): 56 data bytes
01:49.44jacekowskimikki-kun: i'm here
01:49.47mikki-kunjeckell: there is "mirrir" to it to you and skype uses it on some versions and some messengers might be using it as well
01:49.54mikki-kunjacekowski: hey there :)
01:50.06mikki-kunjeckell: sorry, it's "mirror"
01:50.13DocScrutinizermikki-kun: nope,  /etc/resolv.conf is suppoesed to have localhost
01:50.41jeckellmikki-kun: does 'mirror' allow the person i'm talking to see me?
01:50.53mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: nameserver 8.8.4.4 helped me in resolving some of maemos repos for some time
01:51.06DocScrutinizermeh
01:51.09mikki-kunjeckell: uhhh, that's just a local app so you see yourself :/
01:51.22mikki-kunand on the next reconnect it is gone
01:51.28DocScrutinizerthere's something fucked up in resolver lib or dnsmasq or whatever
01:51.41mikki-kunso i didn't care and was happy google helped me
01:52.11jeckellmikki-kun: you said 'some messengers' ... do you know which ones that may be?
01:52.55mikki-kunjeckell: and here is an "ip-cam"-like setup http://wiki.maemo.org/Streaming_video_from_built-in_webcam
01:53.07mikki-kunjeckell: i can't say as i'd only use ot for skype... maybe gtalk has it
01:53.23mikki-kunjacekowski: may i ask if you found out why it ended up not-booting? :)
01:53.31jeckellmikki-kun: thank you for your help
01:53.53mikki-kunjeckell: but beware, the quality is uhhhh, f'd up...
01:55.33jeckellmikki-kun: i'm creating horror stories using skype.   my connection speed sucks,  and i'm trying to talk/video to my g/f (arizona to new hampshire).  i have qwest dsl and she has comcast cable.
01:55.58mikki-kunjeckell: kill the video, just use audio :)
01:56.21DocScrutinizermikki-kun: changed internet connection to GPRS and back to WLAN, now it works
01:56.23mikki-kunand best to use a real pc with some quality-webcam :)
01:56.51jeckellmikki-kun: we need the video. won't be with each other again until 2.10.11
01:56.52mikki-kunlol XD but that rings a couple of bells where some people reported that might help if the dns is f'd up Ö.ö
01:57.13mikki-kunjeckell: i know what you mean... :/
01:57.20mikki-kunsadly i know :/
01:57.24MohammadAGgrumbles
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01:57.55jeckellmikki-kun: if i buy a pc webcam with great quality, will that matter? doesn't it all depend upon the one with the slowest connection speed?
01:58.42fosstuxHi! One question about flashing the mmc on my n900: Do I have  to backup MyDocs/cities or is this content being regenerated automatically?
01:58.50mikki-kunjeckell: not only, audio-quality is way better for me on my netbook and video.. well, you can only use video if the other has the newest version of skype _and_ a webcam pluged in!
01:58.57MohammadAGyou have to back it up
01:59.11mikki-kunfosstux: it will eat your data from there if you do it
01:59.11fosstuxthanks
01:59.16jacekowskimikki-kun: not sure
01:59.30mikki-kunjacekowski: maybe we should both give it a try :)
02:00.16jacekowskiwhat you can try
02:00.29jacekowskiis replacing stuff at 81b0
02:00.31jacekowskiwith BD E8 F0 81
02:00.46jacekowskiand flash it again
02:00.51mikki-kunok, will try :)
02:00.55jacekowskireplace that on clean binary
02:01.01jacekowskiwhat are you using to edit it?
02:01.14mikki-kuni am using hexedit from the gentoo repositories
02:01.53mikki-kunso can i delete my old files?
02:02.06jacekowskiyes
02:02.11mikki-kungood :)
02:02.18DocScrutinizerheh
02:02.24DocScrutinizerfetches popcorn
02:03.27mikki-kunso starting @ 81b0 the next 4 bytes?
02:03.35DocScrutinizerinstalls recorder, finally
02:04.14mikki-kunok, done and then now trying the "second" of the two commands i issued yesterday :)
02:05.47DocScrutinizerhehe, my credit card sounds nice :-)
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02:06.02TiagoTiagohi, quick question
02:06.09DocScrutinizernoooooooo
02:06.16DocScrutinizer:-)
02:06.42TiagoTiagocan you watch videos on Youtube with microB with any resolution other than 240p?
02:06.56mikki-kunTiagoTiago: tweak your browser-settings a little
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02:07.05DocScrutinizerumm, never bothered about the resolution
02:07.11mikki-kunafair you need to kill it's user-agent in about:config
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02:07.21mikki-kunTiagoTiago: but we have cuteTube
02:07.34mikki-kunno need anymore for flash :)
02:07.43TiagoTiagodoen't changing the user agent triggers the redirect loop glitch?
02:08.37TiagoTiagobut then there is no captions, no funny misheard speech2text, no comments etc
02:09.40mikki-kunjacekowski: was "../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,210" the correct command? :)
02:09.54DocScrutinizerwho was asking for some MPC related stuff here? Just found cutempc
02:10.12mikki-kunMaemo Music Player MPC is better imo
02:10.56mikki-kunjacekowski: ok, it flashed now... i should unplug it, pull the battery and then just make a boot i guess :)
02:11.26DocScrutinizerFFS, 3 times eSpeakTime
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02:18.21mikki-kunjacekowski: wuhu \o/ no nokia \o/
02:18.38mikki-kunjust 4 bytes ^^
02:19.04mikki-kunjust curious if you also got the vibrations away :)
02:20.09DocScrutinizermikki-kun: next step of opperation: try modifying the actual picture data, rather than just "commenting ot" the loading of the picture
02:20.37mikki-kunDocScrutinizer: ehhhh, if i'd have a dissassembler i might do it, but reading raw-hex values?!
02:20.58mikki-kunthat is too much of an h4Xx0|2-job for me
02:21.02jacekowskiget a disassembler
02:21.09DocScrutinizerfor the graphic data a disassembler won't help you anyway ;-)
02:21.38mikki-kunhm.. wow, there even is one for gentoo :o
02:21.56mikki-kunwow, dead link -.-
02:22.00jacekowskihttp://www.hex-rays.com/idapro/idadownfreeware.htm
02:22.08jacekowskiit's windows version
02:22.10jacekowskibut works on wine
02:22.37mikki-kunjacekowski: on a poor netbook?
02:22.46mikki-kunand me not having a windows key?
02:23.03mikki-kunahhh, sorry >.>
02:23.07mikki-kunyeah, wine
02:23.09mikki-kunnot a vm
02:23.12DocScrutinizerGRRR would anybody clean up the repos? maemo_recorder0.3, recorder0.3.4, same app
02:23.18jacekowskithey have linux version as well
02:23.21jacekowskibut not for free
02:23.26mikki-kunlike wtf? Ö.ö
02:23.36jacekowski?
02:23.52mikki-kundo they think linux-people can read hex better than ascii?
02:23.56mikki-kunor utf-8?
02:24.15javispedrono, they think linux people will be better suited by their oss dissassemblers
02:24.29jacekowskithere is nothing as good as ida
02:24.34jacekowskithat's why it costs so much
02:24.43jacekowskibut it's pretty much industry standard
02:25.36TiagoTiagobrb
02:26.48DocScrutinizerwonders how to forward microphone to BT headset, so scratching with credit card and sugarcube can be transfered to the stereo
02:27.42mikki-kunjacekowski: i might give it a shot in a couple of days, i might need to do some configuration before though
02:28.20DocScrutinizerfor messing up a picture raw data, some hexeditor is just fine
02:28.53DocScrutinizerjacekowski only needs to point you to start of data addr
02:29.50jacekowskiwell, format of that picture is still unknown
02:29.58DocScrutinizeryou can't disassemble a .bmp anyway, nor any other picture format
02:30.06jacekowskiit's not bmp
02:30.18DocScrutinizerthat's why messing around with it is just fun
02:30.23jacekowskihttp://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/picture1.bin
02:32.36mikki-kunthis is the picture?
02:33.16DocScrutinizeramazingly compact
02:33.33jacekowskiyes
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02:33.53DocScrutinizerprobably reduced resolution, and runlength compressed
02:34.00jacekowskiwell
02:34.04jacekowskithat's not the one
02:34.07jacekowskithere are 3 pictures there
02:34.20mikki-kunÖ.ö
02:34.31DocScrutinizersure, USB icon
02:34.37DocScrutinizerNOKIA
02:34.37jacekowskihmm
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02:34.42DocScrutinizerand errrr what?
02:34.43jacekowskinope
02:34.50jacekowskithat's NOKIA i linked
02:34.50mikki-kun*tries to see inbetween the matrix*
02:35.05mikki-kunaahhhh, agent smiths! run for your lives!
02:35.21DocScrutinizer:-D
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02:35.51jacekowskihmm
02:35.55jacekowskinow i'm not sure what's where
02:37.08DocScrutinizerDAMN, now I rememeber the nightmare of last night: my USB receptacle came loose
02:37.18mikki-kunXD
02:37.37nox-:D
02:40.23GeneralAntilles1DocScrutinizer: warranty?
02:41.04DocScrutinizernot in that dream
02:44.34BCMMi guess that's the geek version of those teeth-falling-out dreams
02:46.00SpeedEvilponders.
02:46.19mikki-kunBCMM: i thought that is more of loosing ones voice
02:46.21SpeedEvilI don't think I've ever had those sorts of dreams.
02:46.33BCMMdid you wake up with a start and feel for the USB port?
02:46.43SpeedEvilDreams of computer hardware being delivered, yes.
02:47.14BCMMSpeedEvil: which? the teeth one? it's weirdly common; nobody knows why
02:48.06GeneralAntilles1BCMM: had a string of those last week.
02:48.08GeneralAntilles1Unfun
02:51.35mikki-kunjacekowski: hm, is the "white background" as well a picture?
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02:55.12kpomanhi all
02:55.28kpomanjust bought a n900, tuning it a bit. anyone has a killer app for battery life ?
02:55.36kpomaneven if it downclocks the cpu or whatever ?
02:55.42mikki-kunhu?
02:55.51mikki-kunyou want longer battery life?
02:55.56kpomanyep
02:56.10kpomanalso want usb host mode support
02:56.11mikki-kunwants as well longer battery life :)
02:56.21kpomanand every update available or geeky stuff :p
02:56.29mikki-kuni think jacekowski bought an insanely good one
02:56.31kpomanalready got debian image, conky, etc...
02:57.09mikki-kunkpoman: you will want selective updates i assume... they will eat ressources and make your boot slow and sluggish and all that stuff ;)
02:58.10kpomanmmm why would I want that ? I already installed faster app manager :p
02:58.17kpomanI want the thing fast and long battery life
02:58.27mikki-kunMohammadAG: btw, i still get the old error regarding proximityd :/
02:58.40kpomanand I want usb host mode support because I plan to develop biometric applications for it
02:59.05mikki-kunh-e-n is the package
02:59.53kpomanmikki-kun: to me ?
03:00.33BCMMkpoman: do you use a wireless network at home? the "killer app" is making sure power-saving is set up right on your router
03:00.42kpomancool, found. installing
03:00.59BCMMthe n900 will stay connected to the wireless, on battery, for *days* if that's working right
03:01.09mikki-kunkpoman: yes
03:01.10BCMMit's often off by default, though
03:01.11kpomanBCMM: i have a dd-wrt router. what do you mean with that ?
03:02.07SpeedEvilkpoman: the AP needs to properly support wireless powersaving.
03:02.18BCMMkpoman: there is a power-saving feature supported by certain routers, and by the n900. i'm trying to remember what it's called
03:02.23kpomanSpeedEvil: do you know if ddwrt is able to do that ?
03:02.27SpeedEvilkpoman: this is a fairly low-level protocol the AP and the client negotiate, to save power.
03:02.36kpomanSpeedEvil: and also I do use dataplan half of the day
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03:02.42SpeedEvilkpoman: I would imagine it's totally dependant on how much it supports your hardware.
03:02.43BCMMif your router supports it, the n900 can sit idle, connected to wifi, for a very long time
03:03.01SpeedEvilkpoman: 3G is regrettably power-using. 2G isn't nearly as bad.
03:03.10SpeedEvilyeah - 5 days or more
03:03.16kpomanI was looking at conky connexions and there are almost none of them
03:03.21BCMMis it WMM??
03:03.48mikki-kunhm, where is the correct place to place startup scripts in maemo?
03:03.50BCMMkpoman: yeah, WMM power save
03:04.13BCMMkpoman: also, 3G data kills your battery. use 2g, or disconnect from the net when you aren't using it
03:04.18mikki-kuncause i want a command executed, but cannot recall anymore where to put those small snippets of code
03:04.31BCMMkpoman: oh, and for an actual application to save battery, simple brightness applet can turn down the screen brightness
03:04.43SpeedEvilmikki-kun: The incorrect place is just to setup a queen-beecon to do it on desktop startup
03:05.07BCMMkpoman: (there is a status applet available for temporarily disabling 3g)
03:05.17mikki-kunnahhh, that sounds just wrong
03:05.25mikki-kunand i need for one of them root-support
03:05.30SpeedEvilmikki-kun: yeah - wrong. But easy.
03:05.40SpeedEvilmikki-kun: sudo
03:05.43mikki-kunthere must be like a file to do it, right?
03:06.39SpeedEvilYes - look around /etc/rc*
03:07.22mikki-kunwhich one of the rc's is it?
03:07.37mikki-kunthere are 7 different ones :/
03:08.08kpomanBCMM: i already put 2g here at home where I have wifi. however, is 2g able to establish tcpip and download emails ?
03:08.11mikki-kunis it rc6.d?
03:08.19kpomanand btw, is there a better imap client for this phone ?
03:08.44BCMMkpoman: yeah, 2G does support internet connections - it's just really slow
03:08.49mikki-kunkpoman: there will be if you write a superior one :)
03:09.19BCMMkpoman: but if, for example, you wanted it to stay online an regularly check for new emails, it'd last longer on 2g
03:09.39SpeedEvilmikki-kun: IIRC rc.6 starts up most of it
03:09.41BCMMiirc, when you're actually using it, screen brightness is a pretty big deal
03:10.12SpeedEvilmikki-kun: then /etc/X11/Xsession.post is run when X comes up
03:13.05BCMMis WMM-PS the same thing as PSM?
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03:20.44kpomanBCMM: see, I used to have a blackberry and the email part is really exceptional
03:20.52kpomanfor example the fact to download only a part of the eail
03:20.54kpomanemail
03:20.58kpomanand download as you read it
03:21.06kpomanor the attachment handling, etc...
03:21.28kpomanI wonder if the imap protocol has the ability, on multipart emails, to download specific parts and not the whole
03:21.39kpomanto be able to do some kind of caching of the text part
03:21.42kpomanor whatever
03:21.52kpomanI wonder if I could manage to do some nice python app to do that
03:22.01kpomanlike download mail headers and txt part
03:22.13kpomanand download on demand other elements or I dont know
03:22.31kpomanbut I think that would mean to have something as middleware between the client and the server
03:22.39kpomanlike a cacher application on some rpc or whatever
03:22.57kpomanhard to say :p
03:26.01kpomanok, flashed to the new kernel
03:26.05kpomanlet me see if it boots :p
03:26.06kpomanlol
03:26.45kpomancool it booted
03:27.35kpomanstill anyone around ? :p
03:28.25SpeedEvilyes
03:28.33kpomanoki
03:28.41SpeedEvilIn principle, you could do a server-side app for that, even if imap can't.
03:29.10kpomanabout tuning, SpeedEvil, I installed a swappolube app ... is it safe to make it permanent ?
03:29.25SpeedEvilAs far as I understand, yes
03:29.29DocScrutinizerprobably /etc/X11/Xsession.post is the right place for most interactive things and X related things to autostart. For the rest (system things) there's /etc/init.d/*  for the actual script and /etc/rc2.d/(S|K)* for the links according to sysV init
03:29.32SpeedEvilthat's just choosing different defaults
03:29.47kpomanSpeedEvil: ok but why arent those "safe" defaults part of the main kernel ?
03:29.51kpomanor distro
03:30.15kpomanif they are common sense and better feeling of the os ?
03:30.29SpeedEvilkpoman: There are many things that aren't in the stock distribution that are arguably better.
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03:31.11SpeedEvilIn short - maemo - the 'edges' - are unpolished.
03:31.24SpeedEvilPerhaps a lot more effort could go into optimisation.
03:31.32SpeedEvilThis is a problem in a corproate environment.
03:31.45SpeedEvilAs people typically get tasked 'do x'.
03:31.48SpeedEvilSo they do it.
03:31.55kpomanaha
03:31.59SpeedEvilThey don't go fiddling around optimising stuff they're paid for
03:32.02jonwilI am hoping that the community SSU (or a similar project) can deliver some of the polish Nokia hasn't
03:32.10kpomanSpeedEvil: do you think meego would be a good evolution on all this ?
03:32.11SpeedEvilSo if it boots, and doesn't crash, and mostly works
03:32.16kpomana big perf improvement ?
03:32.31SpeedEvilI have not investiaged meego enough to comment
03:32.43jonwilMeeGo wont magically make your N900 run faster
03:32.53kpomando you think the idea is being a new challenger to ios and android ?
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03:33.18DocScrutinizeryes, that's the bad part of meego
03:33.19SpeedEvilI think that was the idea.
03:33.44kpomanI hope it doesnt get java on it :p
03:33.50kpomanI hate java :P love python
03:34.16DocScrutinizerI hope java will be our biggest concern with maeego
03:34.33kpomanoops
03:35.02DocScrutinizerbut I see much worse things coming, like DRM/secuity-framework for example
03:35.07kpomanwhy did they switch to rpm instead of deb in meego ?
03:35.18DocScrutinizerwhy not?
03:35.45kpomanI dont know ... ubuntu uses deb and works pretty well on large varied hardwares
03:35.54kpomanand has large community behin
03:35.56jonwilI hope Nokia doesn't lock down MeeGo in the way Apple, Microsoft and the android vendors lock down their platforms
03:36.05kpomanwhy not an ubuntu or debian derivative ?
03:36.05DocScrutinizeractually I don't care at all which format the pkgs for my app manager are
03:36.32kpomanI know :(
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03:37.18DocScrutinizerubuntu is fubar, simply put
03:38.01kpomanmaybe it will get a real arm branch
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03:38.38kpomanbecause of the amount of arm processors nowadays
03:38.47kpomanthey do have the 64
03:39.02fosstuxHi! When backupping my data from Mydocs/cities I get read Error: I/O error.
03:39.03DocScrutinizerwho cares? http://xkcd.com/424/
03:39.28javispedroaha!
03:39.35javispedromodule-nokia-voice is the one touching the mixer
03:39.46DocScrutinizermeh :-D
03:39.47fosstuxWhat can I do to backup my cities dorectory? Including diskcache - there the problem exists
03:40.19DocScrutinizerhm
03:40.41kpomando someone know where all the contacts are stored ? is it some sqlite stuff or what ? can I massively edit, say, the phone numbers to add a specific prefix ?
03:40.59DocScrutinizeryes, sqlite3
03:41.08jonwilmodule-nokia-voice sounds like yet another piece of funky closed code :P
03:41.27DocScrutinizeryep :-S
03:41.28kpomanDocScrutinizer: do you know where the file is ?
03:41.37jonwilok, so now that I finally got my SDK installed, where can I find a sample app to compile and load onto my device to make sure I am able to properly compile things?
03:41.44DocScrutinizer~ .addressfoo
03:42.01DocScrutinizerdunno, do a find ~ -name '*db'
03:42.41kpoman./.osso-abook/db/index_phone.db
03:42.43kpomanoops
03:43.05kpomanI see lot of those
03:43.06kpoman:p
03:43.07DocScrutinizer/home/user/n900-1/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
03:43.43DocScrutinizererr, sorry, that's been my backup on PC
03:44.05DocScrutinizerso, /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
03:44.13kpomanyep
03:44.34kpomancool then I'll have to update it with python :p
03:45.00DocScrutinizeractually /home/user/.osso-abook/db/*
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03:47.19kpomanok
03:47.30kpomanI go to sleep now, really late here in brasilia :p
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03:47.40DocScrutinizerwut?
03:47.44kpomanI will continue testing stuff tomorrow
03:47.51kpoman??
03:48.03DocScrutinizer2011-01-15 04:47
03:48.14DocScrutinizer:-P
03:48.17kpomanhere 1h48 am
03:48.24kpomanonly :p
03:48.25kpomanhowever
03:48.43kpomanin, say, 4 hours from now, i will have to give some milk to my baby :p
03:48.44DocScrutinizeryeah, you're right... time for another coffee
03:48.48mikki-kunisn't it like 8PM there only?
03:48.57kpomanno, really really late :p
03:49.11mikki-kunohhh, sorry, seems my provider really is having a hard time keeping my internet up -.-
03:49.16DocScrutinizertime for 12648430
03:50.52kpomanthank you for your time dudes
03:50.55kpomanhave good nite
03:51.02DocScrutinizeryw
03:51.05DocScrutinizern8
03:51.10kpomansee ya soon, will have tons of questions for my biometric app :)
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03:51.22kpoman(like installing pylons, libusb, etc...)
03:51.23kpomanhehe
03:51.25kpomannite !
03:51.31DocScrutinizerlooking forward to it
03:51.45DocScrutinizerglad to help, esp with h-e-n
03:52.08kpomanyep it worked fine, even if i still dont have the fem-fem usb cable
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03:52.11jonwilok, so where can I get a sample program using QT that I can then compile in scratchbox and put on my device (to be sure that I can compile QT apps before I start writing some of my own)
03:52.13kpomanwill buy one tomorrow
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03:53.03jonwilgoogle for "qt maemo" doesnt show anything usefull
03:53.43jonwilaha, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo seems to help
03:54.03BCMMjonwil: you could use one of the regular Qt examples
03:54.22BCMMjonwil: the whole point of Qt is that stuff doesn't have to have been written specifically for the platform you're using...
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04:18.18jonwilWhats the correct fu to use to enable extras-devel in scratchbox?
04:18.44jonwilso I can then pull qt-maemo-example to study :)
04:19.48jonwilfound it
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04:50.57javispedroDocScrutinizer: quite right decision putting the meego.gitorious.org on /topic :)
04:51.18javispedroseemingly this pulse module got split into several other ones
04:51.33javispedrobut you can still find some intact parts of it in the gitorious history =)
04:52.00javispedro(meego-multimedia repo)
04:52.56javispedroout
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05:07.37jonwilok, so how do I get my test program (that I just made) onto my N900 and how do I run it? I have run dpkg-buildpackage and now have an armel package.
05:08.48ShadowJKI'd install it first?
05:09.04RobbieThe1stYea... "dpkg -i ./my_package.deb"
05:09.06RobbieThe1stas root
05:09.41jonwilhow do I put the file on the N900?
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05:12.05ShadowJKI have openssh installed on mine and would probably just scp it over wifi
05:12.32ShadowJKbut usb mass storage mode works too I guess
05:12.34jonwilwhere inside scratchbox does the dpkg file get put?
05:12.41DocScrutinizerI'd open sftp://root@N900 in konqueror
05:14.23DocScrutinizerbut then that's just me, and I got ssh key on my N900s, so no pw entry needed
05:14.46jonwilaha now I see it
05:14.48jonwilgot the .deb file
05:15.37DocScrutinizerand I got fixed IPs for the N900s, so no bitching from ssh about changed credentials in known_hosts
05:22.51jonwilnow I just gotta find where on the phone the memory card is mounted
05:23.01jonwilsince that's where the .deb ended up
05:24.49jonwilok, found it
05:24.58jonwil<PROTECTED>
05:25.56jonwilok, now its installed, now how the hell do I run my test app?
05:27.06DocScrutinizer*sigh*
05:27.21DocScrutinizeryou tried to start it via xterm?
05:27.52jonwilI see the problem
05:27.56DocScrutinizerhow is it supposed to get started?
05:27.58jonwilsomehow its named src
05:28.00jonwiland not hello
05:28.03jonwilso thats why its not working
05:28.17jonwilworking :)
05:28.39jonwilthanks for the help, now I know how to build apps for my N900 and run them :)
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05:52.41ZogG_workmorning
06:01.16ZogG_workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGy1857r6yg&feature=player_embedded and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_U6FdjVIfs&feature=player_embedded
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07:21.40fosstuxHi! Is it possible to define custom colors for the n900 calendar app?
07:23.29RobbieThe1stLike... a theme?
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07:27.35fosstuxRobbieThe1st: for one calendar, yes. I can choose between 12 colors as far I know
07:27.46fosstuxbut MY color is missing#
07:28.17fosstuxthe calendar uses it to highlight the events in month and week views
07:28.32RobbieThe1stI'm not sure... I've never messed with it
07:28.45RobbieThe1stThere's probably a config file somewhere..
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09:08.18iPeter-hello
09:08.41iPeter-I'am trying to install android gingerbread for my n900 bzip2: cant create output file gingerbread.tar: read-only filesystem
09:09.40iPeter-that error i get when try bzip2 -d gingerbread.tar.bz2
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09:18.40JaffaiPeter-: You aren't root.
09:21.05iPeter-Jaffa: I'am
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09:30.56JZAhi got a question, I got a pretty old maemo 5 version on my N900
09:31.04JZAI got a question regarding which bin should I dl
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09:31.09JZAI already go2 two versions
09:31.17JZARX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
09:31.26JZAand RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
09:31.31JZAI never manage to install them
09:31.51JZAand now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
09:35.24RobbieThe1stum...
09:35.26RobbieThe1stOk, wait
09:35.54RobbieThe1stThe second one you listed is what you want - thats the "PR1.3" OS release.
09:36.07RobbieThe1stThe third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed
09:36.29RobbieThe1stIt's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted.
09:37.16RobbieThe1stAs far as flashing goes, make sure you back up all data/prefrences first with the backup tool
09:39.06JZAyeah I'll do that now
09:39.14JZAhavent done it in quite some time.
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09:48.55JZAok backup is done. Now lets get started
09:49.45JZAZogG: umm what you want to say by that? should I use that one?
09:50.08ZogG_workit's the last one
09:50.26ZogG_worklook at the date
09:50.37JZAZogG: thats the one I was downloading right now
09:50.46JZA<JZA> and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
09:51.22ZogG_workok
09:51.29ZogG_workwanted to be sure
09:52.01JZAZogG: except RobbieThe1st told me <RobbieThe1st> The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed
09:52.01JZA<RobbieThe1st> It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted
09:52.16JZAso I got mixed messages now
09:52.33RobbieThe1stwait
09:52.51RobbieThe1stErm, yea
09:52.58RobbieThe1sthe's right. Misread the name
09:53.05RobbieThe1stThird one's the one you want
09:53.16RobbieThe1stOne with the highest date = PR1.3
09:53.39JZAok running the flasher now
09:56.07JZAah ok there is the error... Unable to enumerate USB buses!
09:57.11JZAhttp://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg
09:57.15JZAthat's what I get
09:57.41JZAthat's where I am stuck
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10:02.52JZAanyone?
10:02.57JZARobbieThe1st: any idea
10:03.02RobbieThe1stoh, um...
10:03.10RobbieThe1stWhat OS?
10:03.17JZALinux
10:03.35RobbieThe1stIt's got to be run as root
10:03.36JZAearlier they told me about doing modprobe ctc...
10:03.41JZARobbieThe1st: yeah I did that
10:03.53RobbieThe1stCan you paste your command here?
10:03.58ZogG_workJZA: what OS?
10:04.14RobbieThe1stAlso, yea - version? what does "uname -a" say?
10:04.21ZogG_worki had simuliar problem with arch
10:04.22JZAZogG_work: linux
10:04.24JZAmodprobe -r cdc_phonet
10:04.33JZAMadriva Linux 2.6
10:04.46JZA2.6.31.12
10:05.02RobbieThe1stCan you paste the whole "uname -a" string here? You can copy-paste from a terminal with "ctrl+shift+x"
10:05.14ZogG_workthere was some kind of modules u have to turn off before
10:05.15JZALinux mylappy 2.6.31.12-desktop586-1mnb #1 SMP Tue Jan 26 02:59:40 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Solo CPU    U3500  @ 1.40GHz GNU/Linux
10:05.39ZogG_workwere*
10:05.43RobbieThe1stOk. So, 32-bit. That'lll make it easier..
10:06.56RobbieThe1stTo be honest, I've never used Mandriva.
10:07.19JZARobbieThe1st: so you will blame it on the distro
10:07.31RobbieThe1stNo, I'm blaiming it on my lack of knowledge.
10:07.32JZARobbieThe1st: I had no issues when dealing with N770 or N810
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10:08.27JZAZogG_work: which modules?
10:08.49RobbieThe1stIts cdc_phonet and phonet if I recall
10:09.25JZAmodprobe -r phonet
10:09.25JZAFATAL: Module phonet is in use.
10:09.27RobbieThe1stNow, I've tried googling, come up with nothing really for that error. No solutions at least.
10:09.40RobbieThe1stUnload cdc_phonet first
10:09.54JZAdid that
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10:10.22RobbieThe1stTry "lsmod | grep phonet"
10:10.29RobbieThe1stAnd copy-paste the lines here
10:11.34JZAok it worked now
10:11.37JZAbut still same result
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10:12.10RobbieThe1stPhonet has been unloaded?
10:12.19RobbieThe1stand the command's running as root?
10:12.26JZARobbieThe1st: yes
10:12.37JZAI doubt I could unload it as regular user
10:12.53RobbieThe1stThen I'm out of ideas. Go grab a current Ubuntu CD, run it as a LiveCD, and do it from there.
10:13.03JZA:S
10:13.18JZAthis sucks
10:13.20RobbieThe1stHey, do you want it working, or want to mess around for a while?
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10:13.39JZAwell I have been trying for a year
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10:13.57JZAnow
10:14.23JZAI wanted to have it through OTA but process sucks as well
10:15.01RobbieThe1stWell, what I would argue here is that this is Nokia's binary. They didn't do a superb job compiling it, nor did they give us the sourse.
10:15.04RobbieThe1st*source.
10:15.19RobbieThe1stSo, it's to be expected that it won't work with everything.
10:15.29trumee_JZA: what are you trying to accomplish?
10:16.07JZAtrumee: update the maemo 5
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10:16.36JZAon my n900 but it just dont work
10:16.49trumee_JZA: flasher doesnt write to the N900?
10:17.02JZAI get a reasoning that is because of the distro... which is senseless since it worked with the other devices.
10:17.21JZAtrumee: I get this http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg
10:17.28RobbieThe1sttrumee: He's running Mandriva, and getting " Unable to enumerate USB buses!"
10:17.42trumee_JZA: never seen that before
10:17.55RobbieThe1stWhich is -obviously- an OS/flasher problem. Not a N900 problem...
10:17.58trumee_JZA: but i can confirm flasher doesnt work on OpenSuse laptop as well
10:18.31trumee_JZA: but works fine on my desktop running gentoo
10:18.50JZAinteresting was reading a similar issue on gentoo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=839
10:19.18JZAthe guy gave up and ran fedora on vm
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10:19.20RobbieThe1stIt's probably a version thing
10:19.41JZAbut my vm doesnt seems to detect usb devices
10:19.49RobbieThe1stThe n900 flasher version may require a more recent distro version or a more limited set of distro
10:19.50JZArunning on Virtualbox
10:19.53trumee_JZA:but it did work with Windows on the same laptop (i have a dualboot on the laptop). So it is an OS issue i think
10:19.53RobbieThe1st*s
10:20.09JZAtrumee: I dont have windows
10:20.10JZAgod
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10:20.22JZAwell thanks for trying
10:20.44RobbieThe1stJZA: Go download a Ubuntu CD. It's FREE. It'll take you a couple of hours. Easy.
10:20.49JZAI'll probably use the evil version of virtualbox eventually and run a vm with it... maybe 2 years from now.
10:21.17JZAthanks for your time
10:21.32RobbieThe1st*sigh*.
10:21.37RobbieThe1stSome people. :\
10:22.05trumee_RobbieThe1st: i would stay away from Ubuntu given a choice :p
10:23.19RobbieThe1stMaby so. I'm using Debian personally.
10:23.25RobbieThe1stThing is, though, it -works-.
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10:39.05ZogG_wi was timeouted
10:39.44ZogG_wdid u managed?
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10:41.17ZogG_wRobbieThe1st: did he?
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10:57.29ZogG_wruskie: \o/
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11:07.02RobbieThe1stZogG_w: Sorry for responding so late, but no. He didn't.
11:07.22ZogG_whe have to turn off some modules
11:07.29ZogG_wwhat was his nickname?
11:07.38RobbieThe1stHe did try that
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11:08.02ZogG_whe needed to turn them off after he connected
11:08.22ZogG_was they autoturned back
11:08.32RobbieThe1streally? the modules auto-load?
11:08.38RobbieThe1stThey won't on Ubuntu...
11:08.49RobbieThe1stusername:  JZA (~jza@189.221.119.164.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx)
11:09.14RobbieThe1stI mean - you unload em via modprobe, and you're good for that boot. At least, that always worked for me
11:09.15ZogG_whe is offline
11:09.28ZogG_wdoes he have ubuntu
11:09.37ZogG_wand they are modules to be loaded
11:09.43RobbieThe1stcdc_phonet?
11:09.57ZogG_wthis one and other one
11:10.08RobbieThe1stI'm pretty sure you're supposed to -unload- them before using flasher...
11:10.49ZogG_wubuntu can load them as you connect phone
11:10.58ZogG_wthat's the point in modules
11:11.11ZogG_was they are not built in
11:11.17ZogG_wthey are loaded if you need them
11:11.26RobbieThe1stYea... But still, they need to be -unloaded- to use flasher, right?
11:11.47ZogG_wright
11:11.50ZogG_wu connect phone
11:11.54ZogG_wand than unload them
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11:12.00ZogG_wand than start flasher
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11:12.38RobbieThe1stPossibly. I -do- recall them being loaded -before- I connected my n900 on my Ubuntu machine, though...
11:15.30jhbHi, I have a large inbox on my mail server (4000+), and modest first loads all the emails, but from time to time loses most the emails (both on pop and imap). Any ideas?
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11:15.54ZogG_w4000+ is large?
11:16.00ZogG_wi have about 13000 =)
11:16.04ZogG_wnd modest sucks
11:16.25jhbZogG, ok, I have a modest amount of emails, and modest still is modest :-)
11:16.51jhbZogG: do you know anything to do besides recreating the account from time to time?
11:17.12ZogG_wdelete emails =)
11:17.19ZogG_wbut i don't use it onphone
11:17.22ZogG_wany mail client
11:17.28ZogG_wonly web from time to time
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11:18.23jhbZogG_w: so no known solution?
11:18.38ZogG_wthere are several other clients as far as i know
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11:19.52jhbZogG_w: ok, thx
11:20.31ZogG_wClaws Mail
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11:29.12piggzdatabases may not be the most interesting thing you will do day to day, but you guys may be interested in http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile2.png
11:34.37lardmanwhat is it a db app?
11:35.11lardmani.e. generic which the user can design using the UI
11:35.12lardman?
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11:51.11piggzlardman: Kexi from kde/koffice/calligra.....you can design forms and reports on the desktop version, drop the db on the phone, then wander around entering stuff
11:51.23lardmancool
11:51.40lardmando you interface with dbus?
11:51.44lardmanfor data entry?
11:51.56piggzno....how might that work?
11:52.22lardmanI used to do stock taking for my Dad's company when I was at school, and barcode scanning would have made my life so much easier
11:52.47lardmanI wrote an application for the Psion 3a to handle the data entry and collation
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11:52.53piggz(side note, the reports can print several barcode formats)
11:53.00lardmanah that's interesting
11:53.25alteregolardman: I used to have an Acorn Pocket Book which was a psion clone :D
11:53.37lardmanit was just a thought as mBarcode sends out a dbus message when it decodes a barcode, so that would provide an entry method
11:53.39alteregoDid you know that os was the makings of symbian? :)
11:53.40piggzi havnt got the forms working yet....i need to port kexi forms from using qt3support
11:53.51lardmanalterego: yep, and look what they've done to it! ;)
11:53.53alteregoGood ole OPL
11:54.04lardmanalterego: yes OPL was great
11:54.23alteregoI think my first comple programs were in OPL
11:54.28alteregocomplete
11:54.59lardmanif one could buy a pocket sized Python/PySide reference like the OPL one, that would be great for new devs
11:54.59alteregoThey bought out a series 60 OPL a few years ago, though I think Python was better by then
11:55.14alteregoOh yeah, the database reference was awesome
11:55.21lardmanalterego: and OPL is also open source now, though written in that nasty dialect
11:56.25lardmanand as you say no reason to use it in preference to Python these days
11:56.49lardmanwonders about the Galaxy Tab modem comms and whether the GPS is attached to it
11:56.54RST38hlardman:BTW, the "use first available plugin" feature is a megafail
11:57.05lardmanRST38h: oh, what's up?
11:57.23RST38hlardman:Opens 3-4 "Informed Individual" login windows at once
11:57.33lardmanRST38h: just disable II
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11:57.44RST38hlardman: Tried that, no change
11:57.52lardmanhmm, that is odd
11:58.03lardmanCertainly disabling plugins used to work
11:58.26lardmanThe idea of that feature was so that you could leave one plugin enabled and have it automatically called
11:58.56lardmanbut not to have multiple plugins active unless you're sure they handle different barcode types
11:59.08lardmanRST38h: are you using the latest -devel version of the code?
11:59.17alteregoI remember writing a piano app in OPL that was cool,
11:59.30RST38hlardman: yep
11:59.33alteregoThen I got a 5mx and a revo, those devices were amazing
11:59.43lardmanI had (have) an S5
12:00.14alteregoI've still got loads of bits of broken psions and acorn clones
12:00.55alteregoUnfortunately, being a young bastard I went through one a year
12:01.02lardmanRST38h: I can't test as my N900 is broken, I'll have a chat to dragly who just pushed some plugin api changes, something may have broken in the plugin enable/disable code with those changes
12:01.09alteregoAlways somehow managed to break the screen
12:01.19ZogG_wlardman: is there anything new about QR code for maemo apps?
12:01.34lardmanZogG_w: installation via a code you mean?
12:01.43ZogG_wyeah
12:01.53ZogG_wlike i said on tmo
12:02.01lardmanI added to the bug in the tracker, but I guess as we're in close down mode at Maemo we don't have much hope really
12:02.17RST38hlardman: yep.The II plugin is weird anyway:I never managed ot get it to work
12:02.24lardmanI'm very happy to add stuff to mBarcode though to support any sites who want to use it
12:02.29lardmanRST38h: it's not working
12:02.33RST38hoh
12:02.44lardmanbbiab
12:03.44ZogG_wlardman i can talk to russian site they use qr code for apps
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12:04.06ZogG_wmaybe u should make ham:// links or something
12:04.34lardmanquite happy to do something like that
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12:04.59lardmanthere is actually code (commented out) in there to read an entire .install file encoded in a QR code
12:05.15lardmanbut that generates huge QR codes, so a URL is probably easier
12:06.00lardmanRST38h: II is dragly's baby, but I don;t think it's finished
12:06.34lardmanRST38h: I just uninstall it or disable it (as the last time I was able to run mBarcode, disabling plugins did work :))
12:06.42ZogG_wbut it makes u open website anyway
12:07.02lardmanZogG_w: which?
12:07.20ZogG_wi mean when u use .install files
12:07.40lardmanthere is code in there to generate a local .install file from the contents of the QR code
12:07.46ZogG_wmaybe it should open it and sent it straight to ham?
12:08.04ZogG_wnot to generate whole install file
12:08.04lardmanbut we could use urls and parse them and wget the file and send it to the MIME handler yeah
12:08.09ZogG_wjust to handle it to ham
12:08.11alteregoYou can link to an extras .install
12:08.24alteregodoesn't that get handled by ham anyway?
12:09.01ZogG_wit is but mbarcode would open browser first
12:09.09alteregoHrm,
12:09.29lardmanatm you encode the url to an .install file, mbarcode hands it to the browser which downloads and invokes the mime handler for the .install file, i.e. ham
12:09.51RST38hlardman:can't be removed (pulled in as a dependency) and can'tbe disabled (for unknownreason)\
12:10.18lardmanbut we could parse all urls looking for a .install ending and then have the mbarcode plugin wget it and invoke the mime handler itself, skipping the browser step
12:10.38ZogG_wbut ham
12:10.46ZogG_wit opens install files themselves
12:10.54lardmanRST38h: hmm, it used to be possible to remove individual plugins as they were pulled in as part of a meta plugin package
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12:11.43lardmanRST38h: I'll see what I can do, but I'm a bit stuck without being able to test
12:11.53ZogG_wso if only to send the files straight to ham and skip doanloading part
12:11.56lardmanRST38h: can you submit a bug?
12:12.12lardmanZogG_w: that's what I just said above
12:12.16ZogG_wlardman: can u make plugin that makes world better?
12:12.42lardmannuke:// encoding?
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12:13.31ZogG_wlet's bug him with android
12:13.47ZogG_wlet's make him hate us
12:13.50ZogG_wmwahaha
12:13.51lardmanis e-yes an Android guru?
12:14.09ZogG_wlardman: hello, nitdroid dev
12:14.22lardmanah ok
12:14.45ZogG_wi'm really bored
12:14.57lardmanwe can tell ;)
12:15.09ZogG_wshould log into windows to print examples of exams so i can study
12:15.23lardmanhow's about working out how to talk to the gps/modem on a Galaxy Tab for me
12:15.28ZogG_wlardman: don't u like me? =( what did i do to u?
12:15.44ZogG_wlardman: you should talk english i think
12:15.44lardmanZogG_w: I was taking the mick, don't worry :)
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12:18.51lardmane-yes: so you have experience of trying to get Android to talk to a GPS I imagine?
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12:21.11lardmanLooking at the nitdroid site, I see you almost certainly do as you have ofono on your todo list
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12:26.37RST38hlardman:I can but not right now: dead tired after the transatlantic flight
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12:34.40reeniginEesreveRcould someone tell me what is the maximum h264 video encoding capability of n900? I'm trying to encode 640x480 in realtime but it seems to be jittering, probably due to getting CPU out. On 320x240 it works well. Can i get some benchmarks on whats the best h264 encoding n900 can do?
12:35.54alteregoAre you recording to eMMC or microsd, converting a file or encoding from the camera?
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12:42.11reeniginEesreveRim encoding from camera
12:42.19reeniginEesreveRand streaming over local network
12:45.25alteregoreeniginEesreveR: hrm, I managed it in 1.1.1 not tried it since and I can't remember the settings.
12:45.35alteregoI think encoding is broken in gst anyway.
12:45.57reeniginEesreveRit works well for 320x240 for me
12:46.03reeniginEesreveRon 640x480 CPU usage goes 100%
12:46.11reeniginEesreveRand video is jittery
12:46.22reeniginEesreveRpipeline latency is high
12:46.36reeniginEesreveRI dont think encoding in gst is broken; they've got DSP support as well
12:47.41alteregoYes, that is what's broken.
12:47.48alteregoOr at least rubbish
12:48.00alteregovlc would probably work better :)
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12:52.42lardmanRST38h: thanks, will have a look this arvo anyway
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12:55.27e-yeslardman, actually, no. (re: android/gps)
12:55.29reeniginEesreveRvlc is not in respostiories?
12:57.04e-yesI hope to `inherit` this functionality from ofono: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=commit;h=5eda7e96b197d2d5cd91811944f575bf91a7762d
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13:13.52KevinBHi maemoers!
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13:14.04KevinBWhich device is called additionnal mmc in general?
13:14.19KevinB/dev/yyy ?
13:14.34KevinBI'm not sure if it s working well
13:14.39KevinBon my n900
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13:16.52psycho_oreos/dev/mmc?blk?
13:17.35psycho_oreoserr.. /dev/mmcblk?p?
13:20.13KevinBI think my mmc reader is broken, or maybe the checkCoverIsSet function is
13:23.05MohammadAGdmesg will show if the cover is detected, card is /dev/mmcblk1
13:24.28KevinBcover is open
13:24.29KevinBhaaaa
13:26.34alteregoKevinB: check the light sensor that detects cover open/close
13:26.41alteregoIt's next to the camera module.
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13:34.38KevinBlight sensor located, so do I need to reboot for mmc being detected?
13:35.57alteregoShouldn't do
13:36.06alteregoYou mean micro sd?
13:36.09KevinByea
13:36.16alteregoIs it formatted and whatfs?
13:36.16KevinBaddtionnal microSD
13:36.48KevinBit s a meego image (btrfs,swap ...)
13:36.59alteregoIt wont appear in maemo then
13:37.07KevinBanyway dmesg show cover is open
13:37.11alteregoTo run meego restart your device.
13:37.12KevinBeven I hide the module
13:37.44alteregoYou have to have uboot kernel or use flasher to load the kernel (without flashing it to mtd)
13:38.21alteregoWhen you replace the cover it should show a banner saying "memory card unsupported" or something like that
13:39.01KevinBha, well i'm still trying to get this message... seems like the light sensor went crazy
13:39.25alteregohrm, try a reboot then. :)
13:39.44KevinBOK, and I pray
13:39.47KevinB:)
13:40.28ShadowJKthe light sensor detects camera door
13:40.33ShadowJKthere's a magnet in the battery cover
13:40.38ShadowJKand a magnetic sensor near the infrared sensor that sees if camera door is open or not
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13:41.41alteregoOh yeah, might be confusing that, the camera uses light sensor and the cover detection is a magnet?
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13:42.28ShadowJKKevinB, the light sensor is NOT used for the mmc
13:42.35ShadowJKthe magnetic sensor is
13:42.56ShadowJKthere is magnet in battery door, that also holds the kickstand closed
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13:43.48ShadowJKhm I think I'm lagged :)
13:44.20MohammadAGI still think that should be disabled
13:51.32KevinBs***, magnet sensor broken
13:52.01KevinBis the solution with gconftool ok?
13:52.20ShadowJKalso check if the magnet is there
13:52.31ShadowJKit has been known to fall off :(
13:52.59psycho_oreosthe magnet is that little J shaped metal piece?
13:53.30alteregoThat fell off mine a while ago, I super glued it into place.
13:56.39KevinBI dont event know if I have it still, then
13:56.49KevinBis there a way to disable that security?
13:56.54KevinBI guess not
14:01.23KevinBno special kernel for that? :D
14:01.32KevinBfor the forgiven of the magnets
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14:02.14KevinBforgotten sorry, my english sucks
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15:05.41wazdHeya everyone
15:06.17ShadowJKhai
15:06.19togglesCiao wazd
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15:26.55DocScrutinizerchem|st: ping
15:28.18Gyjfhey doc
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15:29.09Gyjfdo you happend to know how to set the fontsize in the terminal via cli?
15:29.48lcukGyjf, not sure but press volume keys afaik
15:30.13Gyjfthat was easy..
15:30.48Gyjfthx :D
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15:31.20Paulyhi
15:33.11Paulyi have n00b question: i need to port qt app to maemo5 but im not sure what i have to install? the scratchbox or maemo5 sdk?
15:36.03valdynPauly: iirc the maemo5 sdk includes scratchbox
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15:37.02Paulyif i just install scratchbox is that all i need to complie the pro file for maemo?
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15:43.00Paulyoh i see i need them both
15:43.09valdynPauly: not exactly
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15:43.32Paulyim just trying to compile one app
15:43.41valdynPauly: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html
15:45.29Paulythank you so much
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15:54.23Paulyvaldyn: hi um im gonna sound retarted but i tried running the qt sdk .run file  and get Syntax error: "(" unexpected error?
15:54.44valdynPauly: how did you run it?
15:54.56Paulysudo sh file.run
15:55.37valdynPauly: its probably not a shell script
15:56.09valdynPauly: or maybe its bash and your sh is not
15:56.22valdynPauly: chmod +x file.run; ./file.run
15:56.32Paulythanks
15:58.40Paulyvaldyn: got it thank u
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16:09.59chem|stDocScrutinizer: pong
16:11.02DocScrutinizerchem|st: thanks for the sugar cubes, who was the author of the where-to-find app to operate these?
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16:12.12DocScrutinizerchem|st: (I used recorder to test one - my CC sounds funny :-D )
16:12.14chem|stDocScrutinizer: ieatlint and search for magnetic or something
16:12.22DocScrutinizerthanks
16:12.59chem|sttrack2 is most of the time teh printed number on the card and the validity date
16:13.55DocScrutinizeryeah, for scratching noises probably all numbers and other data are the same
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16:15.02DocScrutinizerI pondered building my own cards out of a piece of plastic and a snippet of 1/2" tape, then record some real audio on it ;-P
16:16.08chem|stDocScrutinizer: you got two so you might mod one for recording
16:16.20DocScrutinizer...or even a veritable tape recorder engine, with N900+cube for the electronics, plus two reels with tape X-P
16:16.32SpeedEvilponders sugar-cubes as one-time-pads, based on the surface pattern of sugar.
16:17.28DocScrutinizerQRcode?
16:17.59SpeedEvilsort-of.
16:18.42DocScrutinizer""this is your passport to enter there. If you get caught, eat it!"" now this makes sense :-)
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16:43.12RST38hMoo?
16:44.24GAN900RST38h, meow
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16:47.15RST38hGAN: How is suffering tonight?
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16:48.56DocScrutinizerremoo
16:49.31RST38hHeya Doc
16:49.48RST38hlazily wonders if he should look at hildon-desktop rotation code
16:50.15DocScrutinizerfrowns about own wondering how to intercept outbound calls
16:50.44DocScrutinizer*intercept*, not tally after INVITE got sent
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16:52.24DocScrutinizerof course I can listen dbus and shout "no! no! don't do that!" as soon as an outbound call gets initiated. That's not any clean solution though
16:53.27RST38hCan you configure dbus so that YOU rather than the default destination receive these messages?
16:53.42DocScrutinizerI wonder idly who's savvy enough of telepathy, to give me a pointer
16:54.10DocScrutinizerRST38h: IF call initiation were via dbus, I could implement that
16:55.11DocScrutinizeralas to me it seems like caller-ui is talking to telepathy in a way I can't get hold of, in dbus
16:55.28GAN900RST38h, just excellent. You?
16:56.02RST38hAh
16:56.13RST38hTelepathy is entirely done via dbus, no?
16:56.20DocScrutinizerNFC
16:56.49RST38hGAN: Came back from the US today, still giddy after the flight
16:57.01DocScrutinizerI seem to recall I scrutinized both dbuses and found nothing promising that looked like it's worth to intercept
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16:57.59DocScrutinizeralso spoofing destinations in dbus seems isn't one of the standard properties of dbus
16:59.09GAN900RST38h, DC?
16:59.22RST38hDoc: When I checked telepathy api reference, the apis were defined completely via dbus calls, remember finding it peculiar
16:59.30RST38hGAN:DC/MD
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16:59.45GAN900Sounds like an unpleasant flight.
17:00.02RST38hGAN: United sucks.
17:00.28GAN900Indeed
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17:00.59RST38hGAN: They successfully managed to get worse than Aeroflot.
17:02.05RST38hAnother 5-10 years, and the economy class will be standing space only.
17:02.38DocScrutinizerRST38h: thanks for the info
17:03.04jacekowskiwho are you talking about?
17:04.02DocScrutinizerI guess I'll have to get another look into it then. Maybe run rtcom-caller-ui under a different user, wrt dbus, and have a gateway to real bus that does the monitoring and mangling
17:04.06RST38hOk, so what part of hildon-desktop would be responsible for rotating client windows?
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17:05.41RST38hAhha, hd-comp-mgr.c appears to be it
17:05.46DocScrutinizerkinda YUCK, but meh, if there's no better way to kick ass of rtcom-call-ui
17:06.15DocScrutinizera hook in telepathy would be nice
17:08.49DocScrutinizerso, once more my question: who's familiar with telepathy details - maybe even author of telepathy? I'd like to discuss this issue with them
17:11.28RST38hDoc: talk to lcuk
17:11.45DocScrutinizerfor the concept, it's not correct to sandbox rtcom-call-ui. I'd need to sandbox telepathy aiui
17:11.47RST38hDoc: I *think* he is working for the subcontractor which does telepathy work for Nokia
17:12.02RST38hHmmm, hildon-desktop appears to attempt rotation multiple times
17:12.10RST38hReally messy code =(
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17:12.34DocScrutinizerRST38h: alas lcuk denied any knowledge about the issue and refused to help unless I switch to meego for my project :-S
17:13.07GAN900Hiding file extensions is always helpful.
17:13.27DocScrutinizeryeah, FSCK file extensions :-P
17:13.43perolsenduring boot (White background, blue nokia letters) I get a green "no initfs" message among with kernel version, etc. Is this enabled by the R&D-settings?
17:14.01DocScrutinizeryes, afaik
17:14.23DocScrutinizerdoesn't mean a thing, except "you shalt not enable R&D"
17:14.47perolsenwhy is that?
17:14.55DocScrutinizerwhy is what?
17:15.05RST38hDoc: Evil.
17:15.06perolsenwhy shalt thee not enable R&D?
17:15.32GAN900perolsen, wastes battery life and serves no purpose, generally.
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17:15.39perolsennoted.
17:15.40DocScrutinizerbecause watchdogs are there for a purpose. And you quite usually don't need R&D for anything
17:15.41RST38hheyajavispedro
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17:15.46javispedromorning
17:16.02RST38hjavispedro: First of all, you will be delighted to know that ANdroid DID get native audio APIs in NDK 2.3
17:16.10javispedroOpenSL ES
17:16.15RST38hjavispedro: and {I hope you have not eaten] they are OpenSL
17:16.15javispedroI mentioned it yesterday =9
17:16.27DocScrutinizermoo javispedro
17:16.34RST38hjavispedro: The API documet is 500+ pages long, and I could not figure out how it works.
17:16.56javispedroRST38h: it follows a pattern. Next thing you'll see is Android 40.5 brining in OpenKode =)
17:17.12RST38hjavispedro: Evil^2.
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17:17.37javispedroalso notes that OpenSL itself always seemed like a NIH syndrome result
17:17.46RST38hjavispedro: Now, I am looking at hildon-desktop sources. Looks like the "interesting" spot is in hd_render_manager_set_state_unportrait / hd_render_manager_set_state_portrait
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17:18.44DocScrutinizeraren't the docs just fine :-D
17:18.46RST38hOpenSL actually manages to be even MORE complicated than ALSA. Takes an effort.
17:19.58DocScrutinizereven MORE than fsckng PA?
17:20.34RST38hDoc: Sadly, yes.
17:20.46DocScrutinizersighs, depressed
17:20.53RST38hDoc: OpenSL is audio done in OpenGL2
17:21.03DocScrutinizer*COUGH*
17:21.06RST38hHehe
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17:22.42DocScrutinizerI wonder when they will reach the point to implement virtual /dev/dsp on top of 17 layers of abstraction, and declare that's ultimate ratio audio interface
17:23.32RST38hProbably never as then all these API designers will become jobless.
17:23.52luke-jrLOL
17:24.29DocScrutinizerwon't matter - you don't need a job after electrocution
17:24.41javispedroguess what. the music player "sample" in the opensl spec is 9 pages long
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17:24.55RST38hDoc: Can't electrocute that many people, will need WMDs.
17:24.57DocScrutinizerMUAHAHAHA sob
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17:25.29RST38hjavispedro: and OpenSL appears to duplicate MAFW APIs (or vice versa)
17:25.40DocScrutinizerWAAAAHHH!!!
17:26.07DocScrutinizerheadbangs desk
17:26.17RST38h<PROTECTED>
17:26.28RST38hThis has been found in the hildon-desktop rotation function
17:26.50DocScrutinizerreconsideration code - ROTFL
17:27.01RST38h<PROTECTED>
17:28.24javispedrohd-render-manager.c?
17:28.46javispedrohmm. yes.
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17:30.05javispedroThat is core logic, I at least know which "reconsideration" he's talking about.
17:31.05javispedrohd_transition_rotate_screen
17:31.15DocScrutinizerIt resembles KDE4 menu behaviour: open once - submenu covers main menu. open again - it made up its mind and displays submenu to the left of main
17:31.33DocScrutinizerprobably they have reconsideration code as well
17:32.49javispedroRST38h: read src/util/hd-transition.c:113
17:33.18DocScrutinizerI just don't get it how those KDE4 devels managed to fsck up all the nicely working functions of kde3, even such basic things like menu placement, or window bar highlighting
17:33.19RST38hamoment
17:33.30javispedrotries to get the mxr link...
17:33.46javispedrohttp://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-desktop/src/util/hd-transition.c#113
17:35.03GAN900Personal hygiene is hard.
17:35.05DocScrutinizerfloat angle; WAAAH
17:35.17GAN900Judging by my semi-random sample today, at least.
17:35.43RST38hjavispedro: Damage done! Start fading in!
17:35.53DocScrutinizerfloat                     final_alpha;
17:36.00DocScrutinizershakes head
17:37.09DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
17:37.53RST38hjavispedro:
17:38.07DocScrutinizeralso for rotation I bet you can't get away without fracions of a angle-degree
17:38.15RST38hSo, based on this code, do you think it spends most timewaiting for the apps to readjust their UIs?
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17:39.44javispedroRST38h: dunno yet, but my plan is to shortcut the state machine
17:40.02RST38hjavispedro: sounds dangerous
17:40.05korhojoa_greetings. So I got a Pr1.1 device from Nokia after my microusb broke off. It only updated to 1.2 afaik via the updater. Any ideas on how to get the device to upgrade to PR1.3 ?
17:40.30RST38hbut at least fadein/fadeout are unnecessary
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17:41.07RST38hHoly shit, there is so much code there dealing just with the animation...
17:45.13DocScrutinizerkorhojoa_: should update automatically from 1.2 to 1.3
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17:45.29RST38hjavispedro: this source file also manages other transitions like notes fading in/out or flying out
17:45.38korhojoa_Yeah, I know. But it isn't doing that.
17:45.59DocScrutinizeryou checked for updates available, in 1.2?
17:46.06korhojoa_Is there some trigger or something to let it see the upgrade, or do I need to change a repo or something?
17:46.11korhojoa_Yes, of course.
17:46.21DocScrutinizeryou checked if you are actually on 1.2 and not 1.3 already?
17:46.40korhojoa_according to the firmware version, I'm on 1.2
17:46.50DocScrutinizerhmm
17:46.57DocScrutinizerHAM -> update
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17:47.45DocScrutinizerhonestly, I'd prefer flashing. Much faster, much cleaner
17:47.48korhojoa_Hmm. Nevermind, actually. I misread. :f
17:47.57korhojoa_I am on 1.3. Feel kind of dumb now.
17:48.00korhojoa_Just rechecked
17:48.09DocScrutinizerhehe
17:48.14RST38hjavispedro: hd_transition_fade_and_rotate() - this is where it all starts
17:48.15korhojoa_I'd flash it too, but I seem to have misplaced my microusb cable
17:48.28korhojoa_well. anyway, thanks for prompting me to re-check.
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17:48.37DocScrutinizeryw
17:49.36RST38hjavispedro: and this is the function that has to be get rid of, I suppose
17:49.51RST38hnotice the comments about it being "nasty"
17:50.01trxhmm, when i connect my phone to my car audio player via usb, it works for about 5 mins and then it makes me select the connection again (like i have unplugged it and plugged it again), does that happen to anyone else?
17:50.15trxusb sticks work just fine btw...
17:50.25javispedroRST38h: (a moment, doing the Stskeeps stuff)
17:52.14DocScrutinizertrx: memsticks don't have a menu that asks "mass storage or PC-suite mode?"
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17:52.51DocScrutinizertrx: probably your car stereo eventually powers down the USB, to save energy or whatever
17:52.51trxDocScrutinizer i select "mass storage mode" and player reads the music fine and plays the music
17:53.16trxhmm
17:53.21trxdamn player :/
17:53.41trxthere is no such thing (like a timeout) on the phone?
17:54.06DocScrutinizertrx: if you use a memstick with LED you can tell if it actually is doing that for the stick as well
17:54.11trxi mean, it stops in the middle of a song, it would be wierd for the player to shut down the power..
17:54.58trxalso, on my 5800XM it didnt do that
17:55.15DocScrutinizertrx: there's a thing like timeout, for USB. My impression was it's never entering this state when on mass storage mode
17:55.19trxi worked fine, thats why i suspect its a phone problem
17:56.04DocScrutinizerthere's some suspend state in musb-core, the USB kernel driver
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17:56.23trxare there any config files, do you know?
17:56.24DocScrutinizerdunno, it shouldn't break things usually
17:56.37DocScrutinizernone I know of
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17:57.01trx:(
17:57.21DocScrutinizertrx: see, for the N900 your car stereo is not any different to arbitrary PC hosts
17:57.52DocScrutinizerso I would assume the problem is in your car stereo
17:58.21trxyeah, i assume so too
17:58.28DocScrutinizeras nobody ever reported similar problems with N900 mass storage at PC
17:58.47trxbut just wanted to make sure some1 else didnt have simmilar problems too
17:59.04trxas 5800 didnt have those problems
17:59.11DocScrutinizerhmm
17:59.25DocScrutinizermight be VBUS related
17:59.44DocScrutinizeror ENUM related
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18:01.11DocScrutinizeryou might want to check syslog, on N900
18:01.15trxis there any way i can see some logs
18:01.25trxwith dmesg?
18:01.26DocScrutinizerpossibly even with h-e-n enabled powerkernel
18:01.47trxi have h-e-n enabled kernel
18:01.47DocScrutinizerdmesg is ok for most purposes
18:01.50trxpower v46
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18:05.02trxDocScrutinizer where can i find syslog?
18:07.59DocScrutinizertrx: install ksyslog, or sysklog, or what's it called. Then look for /var/log/syslog
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18:08.14trxok, thank you
18:08.47RST38hThere's a DIY Gastric Bypass Surgery Kit For Sale on Amazon!
18:09.03DocScrutinizeryou might want to "" >/var/log/syslog"" every now and then, otherwise it tends to eat your / free space
18:09.25trxgood to know that
18:09.26trxty
18:10.18RST38hThieves Raid Traffic Lights for SIM Cards to Make Free Calls!
18:10.30RST38hActually, what a good idea!
18:10.34DocScrutinizerLOL
18:10.37trxhahaha
18:10.40trxbrilliant :D
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18:19.12johnsqHi
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18:31.35javispedrorofls
18:31.46RST38hmmm?
18:32.09javispedroso a guy in tmo wanted to replace the libPDL library (one of the preenv stubs)
18:32.12javispedrobut he couldn't find it
18:32.19javispedroso he found out "libdl.so" library
18:32.29javispedroand since they were named similarly
18:32.38keriohahaha
18:32.39javispedropoof.
18:32.54kerioa good sysadmin would fix that while the system still runs though
18:33.26javispedro:)
18:34.20javispedrobut wait. then he realised libPmIpcLib.so is similar to libpcprofile.so !
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18:47.59javispedroRST38h: job done :)
18:48.13javispedroRST38h: I've replaced hd_transition_fsm with a two line function =)
18:48.19AranelCan I play MP3 to a caller? Can I? Can I? (I'll make a script for it, a blacklist, and make fun!)
18:49.25javispedroRST38h: http://maemo.pastebin.com/uTLAmKeK
18:50.18chxAranel: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/answering_machine_on_n900/  ?
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18:52.13Aranelchx: he's asking for a complete app, most likely It's never going to be done :) I'm asking for an advice about it, maybe a pulseaudio one-liner or source of a similar code.
18:58.54DocScrutinizerjavispedro: heh :-P
18:59.28DocScrutinizerjavispedro: and no floats anywhere :-)
19:08.41javispedrounfortunately it had to grow a little as it was doing weird things with menus
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19:10.56javispedro6 lines now :)
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19:23.34trxDocScrutinizer i have tested the car player and N900 a bit now, and it appears that i dont have any problems while the car is off, when i turned it on, i could see on the player that i drew some power
19:23.46trxand the phone turned off the connection
19:24.18trxis it possible to tell the phone not to charge it self? (will stopping bme do that?)
19:24.40DocScrutinizerpossibly
19:24.57DocScrutinizertrying "stop bme" won't hurt
19:25.17trxi am thinking that maybe during driving, the voltage varies
19:25.26DocScrutinizerrumour has it though, mass storage mode doesn't work without bme
19:25.31trxand thats why the phone disconnects it self..
19:26.01DocScrutinizernot likely
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19:28.26GAN900hulks out
19:28.36GAN900DNS hijacking prefs keep getting reset.
19:28.53javispedroclearly intentional
19:30.47RST38hjavispedro: OMG, did that hildon-desktop shortcut work???
19:31.08javispedroRST38h: yes, it is not as fast as I'd like though...
19:31.22javispedroRST38h: it pauses for a moment, screen blinks and you get the rotated output
19:31.26RST38hjavispedro <-- paints in large strokes =)
19:31.56RST38hjavispedro: but is it better than before? faster? no visual acrobatics?
19:32.01javispedrono acrobatics
19:32.06javispedrobut only slightly faster
19:32.36RST38hand no harmful effects to the applications?
19:32.43javispedrowith the updated patch seemingly not..
19:33.11RST38hhmm, should we give this to MohammadAG for inclusion into his desktop and testing?
19:33.15Arkenoireads about SE liveview. 10 years ago i started talking about the need of such things. I wonder if it will be supported by maemo someday
19:33.20javispedrohttp://maemo.pastebin.com/xxEPYCBb
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19:33.45MohammadAGsay what?
19:33.46javispedroRST38h: can you build it? want a binary?
19:34.03RST38hjavispedro: I cannot build it at the moment, but would appreciate a binary
19:34.26MohammadAGjavispedro, what did you do?
19:34.52javispedroMohammadAG: we're trying to get faster rotation, rst38h to get rid of the animation and me to prove a point.
19:35.14MohammadAGjavispedro, you should see how I do it in the mediaplayer :P
19:35.22MohammadAG(rotating the video now playing window)
19:35.47MohammadAGrotating the widgets instead of the whole window and X server = much faster
19:35.54javispedroI do not want to know about dirty meego-like tricks
19:36.00javispedronow I have to kill you.
19:36.22MohammadAGoh right, MeeGo does that....
19:36.34MohammadAGstill, my window's faster than MeeGo
19:37.18RST38hMohammad: Basically, javispedro has short circuited all the visual acrobatics hidon-desktop does on orientation change
19:37.46RST38hMohammad: So his h-d no longer has an animation there, just blinks and shows up in the new orientation
19:38.05MohammadAGcool, now can you replace blurs with darkened bgs?
19:38.32RST38hthat is configurabe, isn'tit?
19:38.37javispedroh-d itself does that when gl lib doesn't support shaders
19:38.41RST38hthere is a blursetting
19:38.43javispedroat least on x86
19:38.56MohammadAGthat reduces blur
19:38.58MohammadAGor removes it
19:39.09MohammadAGI want it to lower brightness instead of blurring
19:39.14RST38hset radius to 1 or 0 and you should be ok
19:39.20javispedrohttp://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hdrot/hildon-desktop.launch.gz
19:39.27MohammadAGstill not the same
19:39.55javispedro(evaluate, but as I said it is not as good as I'd wish..)
19:40.16RST38hthanks =)
19:40.40javispedro(launch by replacing /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch or killing it with no_lg_reboots and "maemo-invoker /full/path/to/hildon-desktop.launch")
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19:41.11trxDocScrutinizer just to let you know, the rumour was false, mass storage mode works without bme
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19:41.20RST38hkeeps fingers crossed
19:41.26javispedroRST38h: better not replace hildon-desktop
19:41.27Paulyhi i need help
19:41.58javispedroRST38h: (the system one I mean)
19:42.02Paulytyring to install but i need libqtcore4 but have no idea how to get btw im on n900
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19:44.22Pauly_any ideas
19:44.26Pauly_??
19:44.33javispedrohas now crashed xorg but I was trying xrandr..
19:45.28javispedroPauly_: trying to install what? qt comes with your n900.
19:45.32Pauly_theres an app called qtwitter runs n diablo but i want to try to install for fremantle
19:45.45Pauly_i need qtcore4
19:46.02Pauly_libqtcore4
19:46.05MohammadAGno, you need to recompile it
19:46.06javispedrodon't do that
19:46.13MohammadAGlibqt4-core is already installed
19:46.27Pauly_ya i noticed a name change
19:46.48Pauly_ill just recomplie eveerything
19:47.12javispedro"everything"?
19:48.09Pauly_qtwitter depends on qoauth and qoauth depends on qca
19:48.47Pauly_so i have to recompile all those apperntley
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19:58.33javispedroRST38h: alive?
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20:01.29MohammadAGPauly_, there are Qt apps that use OAuth afaik, you just need to find the new name
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20:07.23Pauly_what do you mean?
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20:08.59bjvagps seems to have stopped responding on my 810
20:09.02Pauly_MohammadAG: what do you mean?
20:09.26bjvi --purge agps-ui and supl-daemon from dpkg, but nothing improves after a reinstall
20:10.02bjvive tried to remove libsupld1 as well
20:10.09RST38hyou probably screwed up the installation
20:10.14bjv?
20:10.25RST38hby purging these packages
20:10.27bjvagps was functional for many long months, before now
20:10.30bjvoh
20:10.57bjvwell,
20:11.05bjvit had already stopped functioning
20:11.12MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search qt oauth
20:11.13MohammadAGlibqoauth-dev - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme
20:11.13MohammadAGlibqoauth - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme
20:12.49bjvi grew concerned when 1) removal/reinstallation did not help and
20:12.50Pauly_MohammadAG: thank you
20:13.08bjv2) libsupld1 removal pulled off osso-core and osso-core-busybox
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20:13.20bjvin addition to libsupld1 & gpsdriver
20:13.27RST38htrouble.
20:13.30RST38hrefash.
20:13.34RST38hreflash, I mean
20:13.44bjvi did not --purge osso-core or osso-core-busybox, though
20:14.09RST38hthp: here?
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20:15.12bjvagps-ui just configures supl-daemon, though
20:15.15bjvcorrect?
20:15.28bjvso really i am still looking at:   "supl-daemon is not working"
20:16.05bjvosso-core and gpsdriver reinstallation aside.
20:16.16RST38hthe server it connects to may be down for some reason
20:16.24bjvafter supld stopped working, but before messing with packages
20:16.34bjvi could still get an unassisted fix in ~13 min or so
20:16.41bjvand after messing w/ dpkg
20:16.50bjvi can still get fixes unassisted
20:16.53bjvhm
20:18.44Pauly_MohammadAG: apperntly qca and qoauth are just renamed libqoauth and libqca.
20:19.34MohammadAGyes
20:19.43MohammadAGthat's what I said
20:20.33Pauly_so if an app depends on those how would i get it to work? sry im a stupid n00b
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20:24.05Pauly_MohammadAG: would i have to change all the refernces in the apps source code?
20:24.53MohammadAGshouldn't, no
20:25.14MohammadAGqmake should handle all that stuff
20:25.22Pauly_okay
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20:28.40bjvwell
20:28.54bjvso the slightly more sophisticated approach gets me:
20:28.57bjv"[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-1!"
20:29.13bjvwhen running supld from the console,
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20:30.03bjvcreated the folder, for debug log
20:30.22bjvbut "debug mode" is 0, and supld does not seem to have any usage text
20:30.56bjv/etc/supld/certs/ just contains a bunch of *.pem
20:31.04bjvmust be stuff in gconf
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20:41.09bjvhm, /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support is set to 0 in gconf
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20:41.28bjvsetting it to 1 rewards me with
20:41.32bjv"supld[3922]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x6d818, 5886bdb6-9443-4cff-bbbf-2875f4a22721, WLAN_INFRA, 0)"
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20:41.47bjvbut then still quits with
20:41.51bjv"[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-3!"
20:42.28bjvsetting back to 0, no more Con ic event
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20:42.37bjvand immediate failure with -1
20:42.48bjvsupld does not seem to be documented anywhere.
20:42.59bjvi really just want to rip this out, and redeploy it fresh -_-
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20:52.50Pauly_MohammadAG: i tried building but it keeps giving me errors about oauth
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20:54.05Pauly_MohammadAG: and qt creator wont make the the package grrrrrrr
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21:14.58smokuanyone interested in hildon-desktop for Clutter 1.x and Mx in place of Tidy? :)
21:15.02thpRST38h: here now
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21:22.50GAN900DDP N900 finally vomitted out its USB port.
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21:24.11BCMM_GAN900: Nokia replaces them if the USB port falls out, right?
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21:33.49GAN900BCMM_, not out of warranty.
21:33.49GAN900And technically the DDP warranty is only 7 days.
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21:36.20BCMM_GAN900: DDP?
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21:36.54MohammadAGDeveloper Device Program
21:37.05MohammadAG0 cost or a discount
21:37.12MohammadAGI wonder when MeeGo's DDP launches :p
21:37.26BCMM_oh
21:38.21GAN900MohammadAG, €250
21:38.24GAN900For N900
21:38.53MohammadAGit was 800 when it launched right?
21:38.56MohammadAGor 600
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21:47.39lcukhey, inside a debian/control file for package appfoo, I specify that a package depends on libbar.
21:47.40lcukif the user already has this library installed (but older ver) the newest one in repo will not be pulled in.
21:47.40lcukI know I can specify an explicit version for libbar, but can I make this automatic to say "make appfoo depend on the version of libbar that I(the developer) have on my system at build time"
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21:52.33MohammadAGlcuk, shouldn't $(shlibs:Depends) do that?
21:52.43MohammadAGif it's a proper libbar
21:53.02lcukMohammadAG, probably
21:53.47MohammadAGlcuk, it works with most libs
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21:54.33lcukthx MohammadAG \o
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21:57.53lcukawesome indeed MohammadAG :)
21:58.06MohammadAG:)
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21:58.09MohammadAGyw
21:58.29valdynlcuk: why depends on one version?
21:58.42valdynlcuk: should be >= someversion
21:58.53lcukvaldyn, it wasn't one specific version
21:59.01lcukit was that not specifying a version at all
21:59.13valdynlcuk: alright then
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22:03.05trumee__shame scrolling in xchat eats up all the cpu
22:05.36MohammadAGshouldn't
22:06.45trumee__MohammadAG, i agree :)
22:07.19trumee__MohammadAG, your hildonized version probably doesnt.
22:07.22AurigaAnyone still using an N800?
22:07.39lcukAuriga, I spent last weekend with my n810 if that counts
22:07.56AurigaIt might...
22:08.03AurigaAre you familiar with Blueserial?
22:08.19AurigaOr anything of the equivalant that works?
22:08.27lcukno, sorry - I guess your quest must go further
22:08.53AurigaLol
22:09.44Auriga& so I continue in circles lol
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22:13.29BCMM_has anyone set up their n900 to automatically start sshd when on a wlan and stop it when on GPRS?
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22:17.29lcukBCMM_, hm I tohught lots of ISPs negate any kind of ssh input over gprs anyway
22:17.36lcukby virtue of not having a public ip
22:17.40lcukbut I know some isps do
22:17.52BCMM_yeah, but mine is unpredictable
22:18.00BCMM_i mean, it sometimes gives me a real ip and sometimes private
22:18.02BCMM_yes, that's weird
22:18.17lcukthats ok, why need to disable it if you dont mind?
22:18.38BCMM_lcuk: mostly because it doesn't need to be running
22:18.47BCMM_actually, what i'd really like to do would be have sshd running only when connected to a specific wlan
22:19.02lcukfor what reason specifically? power/cpu/security?
22:19.53BCMM_all of the above
22:20.09BCMM_i know ssh is very secure, but mostly because it's better than carefully checking my ssh config
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22:25.46pahartikBCMM_: Maybe appropriate script at "/etc/network/if-post-down.d/" and "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/"...
22:26.08BCMM_thanks
22:26.58BCMM_oh, and presumably when i am online, on gprs, on a real IP, something will eventually find my ssh server and drain the battery trying to bruteforce it
22:27.34BCMM_hmm. do those sorts of bots usually give up if you don't allow password auth, or braindeadishly keep trying?
22:32.05pahartikBCMM_: My recent server logs... "resist-ssh-abuse" netfilter rule was triggered 27 times within 7 days... And it only covers single IPv4 address, no equivalent feature for IPv6
22:32.35BCMM_pahartik: do you allow keyboard auth, or just keys?
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22:35.49pahartikBCMM_: Server rejects password authentication attempts... Netfilter rule just uses "DROP" on any connection attempts from source IP for while after few tries
22:36.06BCMM_bah, stupid botnets
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22:39.23lardmanre
22:40.40pahartikBCMM_: If remote host keeps trying even though there is no response, "DROP" lifetime is refreshed each time...
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22:42.38pahartikBCMM_: For me, mostly using IPv6, protecting that as well would be good, but netfilter does not yet offer similar rule feature
22:43.09BCMM_pahartik: have you actually had people try to bruteforce your SSH over ipv6?
22:43.35BCMM_i assumed that they found hosts by trying random addresses, which wouldn't really fly with v6
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22:46.44pahartikBCMM_: Not yet seen any signs of such at "/var/log/auth.log" of any host, but still... Most of my hosts have AAAA record on DNS
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23:00.00wazdheya again
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23:02.46wazdI've just faced the "no connection with original headset" problem, still no solution for it?
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23:15.14DocScrutinizerhostmode_while_charging PoC: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
23:23.24DocScrutinizerwazd: err, if you refer to what I think you do, then that's a hw-problem of the receptacle, IIRC
23:24.15GAN900Can decide whether cellmo is dying or AT&T is being shit.
23:24.19GAN900Keep losing all connection.
23:24.32DocScrutinizer:-/
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23:25.08DocScrutinizerhow are calls?
23:25.09javispedron900s are dying =)
23:25.32javispedromine just went into that "battery suddenly decided its empty even though it isn't" mode again
23:26.27DocScrutinizereeew
23:27.11lardmanplanned obsolescence perhaps? ;)
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23:27.37BCMM_lardman just discovered why BME is closed!
23:27.39BCMM_ducks
23:27.50lardman:)
23:28.33BCMM_javispedro's device is suffering from a bug. it was supposed to explode.
23:28.55javispedrowould prefer it to explode instead of having to reenter date&time, AGAIN.
23:29.22wazdslow pluging in the jack sorta fixed the problem with sound
23:29.47wazdbut not with handset detection in general
23:29.49javispedrowazd: dirty receptacle?
23:30.05BCMM_of course, this is evidence that the N900's successor is going on sale tomorrow. BRB, gotta tell TMO.
23:30.17lardmancurses the fact Samsung make you use drivers for mass storage
23:30.28wazdjavispedro: I highly doubt it
23:30.59lardmanand drivers that apparently don't really work at that
23:31.03wazdjavispedro: I actually used wired headphones with my n900 like 7 or 8 times
23:31.09javispedro:S
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23:31.44wazdoops
23:32.47wazdThe problem occurred right after I pluged out my headset while calling
23:33.17wazdso it's definitely some sort of software issue
23:33.19DocScrutinizerummm
23:33.43MohammadAGthe N900 likes to pick headphones on its own
23:33.44DocScrutinizernow if only we had atime
23:33.54MohammadAGthe N8's phones, while 3.5mm and work fine with my laptop, don't work on the N900
23:33.59DocScrutinizerwait, ctime should still work
23:34.04MohammadAGthey do show in dmesg
23:34.11javispedrohum
23:34.31javispedroI'm at this moment researching how to trick pulse into thinking its time to switch audio routing to headphones
23:34.50MohammadAGcan you do that to the earpiece too?
23:34.55javispedronot using the usual alsa method (which works fine but means you have to guess volumes)
23:35.00MohammadAGI like mono audio from the earpiece
23:35.12DocScrutinizerjavispedro: so yo da man to tell which files to check for bogus state
23:35.32javispedroafaik, there's no editable files.
23:35.54javispedrothere's the "compiled" prolog rules that use hal events and the like to set a dbus message with "audio_actions" to pulse
23:36.07javispedroyou can actually see this message, just enable eavesdropping on system bus and run dbus-monitor
23:36.09DocScrutinizerthen there's no way this gets sticky on wazd 's N900
23:36.53MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, ping me on 26/1
23:37.05DocScrutinizeruh?
23:37.07javispedrohttp://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blobs/master/src/dbusif.c#line601
23:37.13javispedrothis is the code that is linked to pulse on n900 and does it
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23:39.36DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sorry?
23:41.24MohammadAGhostmode
23:41.31MohammadAGh-e-n needs a shitload of updates
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23:43.34AurigaHowdy all...
23:43.54AurigaCan anyone help me with an hcitool: not found, error?
23:44.50lardmanare you root?
23:45.00lardmando you have /usr/sbin in your path?
23:45.01AurigaYes
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23:45.20AurigaUhhh... I'm still learning linux & Maemo too, let me look....
23:45.26AurigaYes I do...
23:45.38Auriga& yes I am root
23:45.43lardmanjust give the full path to that dir and see if it's there
23:45.47MohammadAGwhich hcitool
23:45.48MohammadAGtype that
23:46.12Auriga?
23:46.19AurigaIt's a bluetooth app
23:46.25AurigaIs that what you mean?
23:46.27MohammadAG"which hcitool"
23:46.29MohammadAGit's a command
23:46.47MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# which hcitool
23:46.48MohammadAG/usr/bin/hcitool
23:46.54AurigaIt just gives me another line...
23:47.03AurigaIt doesn't show me anything.
23:47.08AurigaIs there a switch for it?
23:47.23MohammadAGwell
23:47.28MohammadAGit certainly can't be not installed
23:47.36MohammadAGNokia-N900:~# grep -r /usr/bin/hcitool /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list
23:47.36AurigaLol
23:47.38MohammadAG/var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.list:/usr/bin/hcitool
23:47.49AurigaWoah... slow down there...
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23:47.53AurigaWhat is that?
23:48.01MohammadAGit shows which package it's part of
23:48.05MohammadAGif you have bluez installed
23:48.07MohammadAGit should be there
23:48.11AurigaWhat is bluez?
23:48.20AurigaIs that the wifi over bluetooth?
23:48.21MohammadAGbluetooth stack
23:49.02AurigaUhhh... for desktop support?
23:49.19AurigaSorry I'm noob... I hate d work but it applies...
23:50.14AurigaANythoughts...
23:50.52DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: (h-e-n needs a shitload of updates) indeed
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23:51.12MohammadAGthe stack allows you to use bluetooth
23:51.14AurigaMoi?
23:51.16MohammadAGwithout it, bt wouldn't work
23:51.19AurigaRight okay...
23:51.28javispedrogood time to reflash
23:51.34AurigaBut my bluetooth does work in terms of transfering files.
23:51.50MohammadAGit shouldn't work
23:51.56AurigaWell it does...
23:52.01AurigaSo what now lol...
23:52.03Auriga?
23:52.12javispedroAuriga: what are you asking this?
23:52.14javispedro*why
23:52.21javispedroie what do you want to do?
23:52.38nox-are you even running maemo?
23:52.40nox-:)
23:53.35AurigaWhat's a Maemo?
23:53.37Aurigalol
23:53.55AurigaYes I am it's on an n800 though.
23:56.21DocScrutinizerwut?
23:56.42AurigaJavispedro, as to why, I would rather not say as it might attract attention & give the wrong idea, so you work it out...
23:57.06DocScrutinizerAuriga: you're aware there are slight diffs between maemo5-fremantle and whatever version of maemo3/4 you got on N800?
23:57.39AurigaYes...
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23:57.57AurigaWhere are you going with that?
23:58.16DocScrutinizerAuriga: so my advice is you clearly state the fact you're talking about N800 when asking here
23:58.58DocScrutinizerAuriga: as answers based on fremantle won't help - evidently
23:59.35javispedrogive the wrong idea is what probably what will happen now =)
23:59.48DocScrutinizerexactly

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