| 00:00.58 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: thanks from my side :) |
| 00:01.05 | mikki-kun | *reflashing* |
| 00:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://sardine.garage.maemo.org/about.html herring LOL - seems back when they knew how releases should be done |
| 00:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | stares at mikki-kun - anxious |
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| 00:04.52 | mikki-kun | *checking the commands again carefully* |
| 00:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | (source) http://meego.gitorious.org/ and http://maemo.gitorious.org/ might be of interest as well |
| 00:08.30 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/13/keepin-it-real-fake-nokia-n9-doesnt-wait-for-mature-meego-to/ |
| 00:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | actually never got the catch why maemo sources need to go to gitorious.org |
| 00:09.02 | RST38h | smoku:Yes, but they are evil about pricing. Just found that Dell also sells unlocked now. |
| 00:09.08 | RST38h | AT&T bands only |
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| 00:11.00 | mikki-kun | ok, i need to nuke the bootloader first as it seems :) |
| 00:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: umm? |
| 00:11.27 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: did it work? |
| 00:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: obviously not |
| 00:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | I guess we need to talk mikki-kun thru flashing a new NOLO |
| 00:12.07 | mikki-kun | if i plug the device woithout battery in it is searching only for an USB to flash to |
| 00:12.43 | SpeedEvil | you need bat |
| 00:12.51 | jacekowski | so what have you done so far |
| 00:12.52 | mikki-kun | ahhh, retrying :) |
| 00:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, insert it after plugin to PC |
| 00:13.13 | jacekowski | is it dead or not flashed yet at all? |
| 00:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | and AFTER starting flasher command |
| 00:13.26 | mikki-kun | it does not flash |
| 00:13.42 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: It won't flash without battery ;-D |
| 00:13.45 | mikki-kun | i turned of the phone, took of the battery, executed the command and _then_ connected the phone via USB |
| 00:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes, now insert battery |
| 00:13.59 | jacekowski | you need battery in |
| 00:14.10 | mikki-kun | the led even runs for a second |
| 00:14.19 | mikki-kun | ohhh, i need? in the guide you said remove it |
| 00:14.29 | mikki-kun | i mean in the IRC log from then |
| 00:14.40 | jacekowski | that's coldflashing |
| 00:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | remove battery, plug in USB, start flasher, insert battery |
| 00:14.45 | jacekowski | you don't want to do that |
| 00:14.49 | jacekowski | not yet at least |
| 00:15.04 | mikki-kun | ohhh, nserted battery and it did something :) |
| 00:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 00:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 00:15.31 | mikki-kun | still i see a blue nokia there... hmmmm.... |
| 00:15.42 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:15.48 | sevard | Well guys :( for the first time in 2 years my n810 has failed me. It boots up, loads, and then reboots in a perpetual cycle of sadness. How can I go about fixing this? :/ |
| 00:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | right now you see the 2nd |
| 00:15.49 | jacekowski | you may want to modify one more thing in nolo |
| 00:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | you need to reboot to see secondary |
| 00:16.26 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it is secondary |
| 00:16.37 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: 2nd is only used when you are coldflashing |
| 00:16.38 | mikki-kun | uhhh... what? *pastebinitin error* |
| 00:16.54 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: reboot your phone noe |
| 00:16.56 | jacekowski | now* |
| 00:17.08 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and what is exact command you used btw |
| 00:17.17 | mikki-kun | http://pastebin.com/zpaLsitJ |
| 00:17.27 | mikki-kun | in the pastebin as well :) |
| 00:17.40 | jacekowski | coldflash |
| 00:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: well, what he sees during flashing NOLO isn't the NOLO he flashed that moment, anyway |
| 00:18.00 | jacekowski | why are you coldflashing it |
| 00:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: but yeah, you're right. If he didn't coldflash then it's secondary, not 2nd |
| 00:18.36 | jacekowski | besides, coldflashing isn't very correct word |
| 00:18.42 | jacekowski | it's more like coldbooting |
| 00:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 00:19.15 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: now if you have it in that state you have to ../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=secondary -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 |
| 00:19.58 | MohammadAG | coldflashing shouldn't be done to experiment with it |
| 00:20.10 | MohammadAG | it should only be used when you actually bork the bootloader |
| 00:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | yes dady |
| 00:20.30 | mikki-kun | hm, ok, then i got it from the log there wrong :/ |
| 00:20.34 | mikki-kun | sorry for that :( |
| 00:20.38 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 00:20.38 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 00:20.46 | mikki-kun | but it boots normally from there |
| 00:21.11 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: but at least we know that you can coldflash |
| 00:21.14 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: switch of your phone |
| 00:21.21 | mikki-kun | already did :) |
| 00:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: actually NOLO is capable of flashing his own NAND program text |
| 00:21.37 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and run ../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=secondary -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 |
| 00:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: you know, it's loaded to RAM by xloader |
| 00:21.43 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and unplug usb cable |
| 00:21.54 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: wait couple seconds to make sure phone is switch off |
| 00:21.58 | jacekowski | switched off* |
| 00:22.10 | DocScrutinizer | remove battery |
| 00:22.16 | jacekowski | no need for that |
| 00:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | but doesn't hurt and always works |
| 00:22.47 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 00:22.55 | jacekowski | press and hold "u" key on keyboard |
| 00:22.58 | jacekowski | and plug in usb |
| 00:23.05 | MohammadAG | what happens if you pull the battery with a broken primary and while sending secondary |
| 00:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | and insert battery |
| 00:23.17 | jacekowski | while holding "u" key |
| 00:23.17 | MohammadAG | sure, it's hard to time that, but what if it's done |
| 00:23.30 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: nothing |
| 00:23.38 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you can always coldflash it |
| 00:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | *always* |
| 00:23.50 | jacekowski | i even tried to half flash rapuyama |
| 00:24.04 | MohammadAG | even after dropping it 30ft? |
| 00:24.06 | jacekowski | and i could still flash it via usb |
| 00:24.12 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:24.13 | jacekowski | 30ft |
| 00:24.17 | jacekowski | that's 10m in metric |
| 00:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | depends on landing zone |
| 00:24.31 | jacekowski | yeah you have quite big chance of that |
| 00:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | talk to ground master |
| 00:24.53 | mikki-kun | uhhh, jacekowski secondary is not a valid option :/ |
| 00:25.01 | mikki-kun | nolo, kernel, initfs, rootfs, cmt |
| 00:25.09 | MohammadAG | nolo? |
| 00:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | nolo |
| 00:25.18 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: nolo |
| 00:25.19 | MohammadAG | just a guess |
| 00:25.21 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: nolo |
| 00:25.32 | MohammadAG | stabs jacekowski's tab |
| 00:25.35 | mikki-kun | ;D 3 times the same answer, it must be kernel! :D |
| 00:25.51 | MohammadAG | no, start counting from 0, it has to be rootfs |
| 00:26.02 | DocScrutinizer | ROAAAR, gimme dinner! |
| 00:26.15 | MohammadAG | hands DocScrutinizer some doritos |
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| 00:27.45 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: am i really too stupid to do it? :/ http://pastebin.com/HJEfpZBk |
| 00:28.13 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:28.17 | MohammadAG | you're flashing primary with secondary image |
| 00:28.20 | MohammadAG | so yes, you are stupid |
| 00:28.21 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:28.27 | jacekowski | you have to add -x xloader...... |
| 00:28.42 | MohammadAG | he doesn't have to supply secondary again afaik |
| 00:28.43 | jacekowski | and it may want -2nd as well |
| 00:29.00 | jacekowski | well, it's secondary we want to flash |
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| 00:29.43 | mikki-kun | this whole fiasco is really a complete mess, why is secondary primary?! Ã.ö |
| 00:29.49 | jacekowski | it's not |
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| 00:29.55 | mikki-kun | 01:28:18 | MohammadAG > you're flashing primary with secondary image |
| 00:30.13 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 00:30.25 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: just flash it |
| 00:30.25 | MohammadAG | you're supplying the secondary image, it wants a primary one |
| 00:30.31 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it wants both |
| 00:30.41 | MohammadAG | regardless, he had them swapped |
| 00:30.43 | jacekowski | it looks like flasher can't just flash secondary |
| 00:30.47 | jacekowski | nope |
| 00:30.51 | mikki-kun | ../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 |
| 00:30.53 | jacekowski | he was just missing path to xloader |
| 00:30.56 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: yes |
| 00:30.58 | mikki-kun | this one correct? |
| 00:30.59 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: that should work |
| 00:31.01 | mikki-kun | ok good :) |
| 00:31.05 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 00:31.11 | jacekowski | it may want -2 as well |
| 00:31.19 | jacekowski | but try it like that |
| 00:32.16 | mikki-kun | http://pastebin.com/gtsceRM5 :) |
| 00:32.49 | mikki-kun | no vibration |
| 00:32.51 | jacekowski | ok |
| 00:32.56 | mikki-kun | just the led staying lit |
| 00:32.59 | jacekowski | now disconnect your phone |
| 00:33.06 | mikki-kun | i did |
| 00:33.11 | jacekowski | switch it off |
| 00:33.14 | jacekowski | and switch it back on |
| 00:33.17 | mikki-kun | i pulled the bat |
| 00:33.56 | mikki-kun | and that leaves me now with a LED-stay-lit, none-vibrating, none-booting piece of hardware \o/ |
| 00:34.15 | mikki-kun | at least the LED's lit :) |
| 00:34.18 | jacekowski | two options |
| 00:34.30 | jacekowski | well |
| 00:34.32 | jacekowski | unpack it |
| 00:34.34 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 00:34.37 | jacekowski | unpack fiasco again |
| 00:34.42 | mikki-kun | it still is |
| 00:34.47 | jacekowski | you will need clean secondary |
| 00:34.49 | jacekowski | not modified |
| 00:34.55 | mikki-kun | ohhh, ok :) |
| 00:34.58 | jacekowski | and we're going back to coldflashing |
| 00:35.24 | jacekowski | so you have to do that |
| 00:35.26 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/zpaLsitJ |
| 00:35.32 | javispedro | fscking wrong |
| 00:35.36 | javispedro | this is what is wrong with gtk |
| 00:35.47 | javispedro | it's already 3 hours and I'm yet to fully implement the cell renderer |
| 00:35.58 | javispedro | yet I made the _fscking rest of the application_ in less than half an hour |
| 00:36.03 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and when boot your phone with that |
| 00:36.12 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: you will have to use that last command |
| 00:36.14 | jacekowski | 01:30 < mikki-kun> ../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 |
| 00:36.26 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: but with clean secondary instead |
| 00:36.37 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and this time without unplugging it in between |
| 00:37.02 | mikki-kun | ok, i will do :) |
| 00:37.15 | jacekowski | and i'll have to check it on my phone |
| 00:37.22 | jacekowski | to see if it's that you've done something wrong |
| 00:37.25 | jacekowski | or me |
| 00:37.39 | mikki-kun | let me try first what you wrote me |
| 00:37.44 | jacekowski | but that's tomorrow |
| 00:38.40 | mikki-kun | so i execute ../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 with the new secondary.bin? |
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| 00:39.48 | jacekowski | with clean secondary.bin |
| 00:39.55 | mikki-kun | yeah |
| 00:40.28 | mikki-kun | so first "flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb", then with "../flasher-3.5 -f --flash-only=nolo -s secondary.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103 -x xloader.bin-RX-51:2101,2102,2103" ? |
| 00:40.43 | mikki-kun | not that i get it wrong :) |
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| 00:42.14 | jacekowski | yes |
| 00:42.19 | jacekowski | without reboot in between |
| 00:42.32 | MohammadAG | javispedro, there's always Qt |
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| 00:43.20 | mikki-kun | both times done :), just uhhh http://pastebin.com/XXXvRZmU is this output ok for the first command to get? |
| 00:43.31 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:43.37 | jacekowski | yes |
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| 00:43.53 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: what you've got from second command |
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| 00:44.58 | mikki-kun | i'll post the whole output of the two commands :) |
| 00:45.16 | mikki-kun | http://pastebin.com/ptW4Aarx |
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| 00:45.53 | mikki-kun | should i try with the custom secondary again? |
| 00:46.00 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 00:46.02 | jacekowski | that's ok |
| 00:46.04 | jacekowski | nope |
| 00:46.09 | jacekowski | no need for that |
| 00:46.15 | jacekowski | if it's not working then it's not working |
| 00:46.19 | jacekowski | i have to find out why |
| 00:46.27 | jacekowski | just make sure it's working now |
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| 00:46.42 | mikki-kun | nokia logo came back online |
| 00:46.49 | mikki-kun | and the boot progresses |
| 00:46.53 | jacekowski | ok |
| 00:46.58 | mikki-kun | dots lighting up |
| 00:47.14 | MohammadAG | http://i56.tinypic.com/2mqqlwp.jpg :) |
| 00:47.19 | mikki-kun | so if i want to flash just the secondary i need to execute later command? :) |
| 00:47.26 | jacekowski | yes |
| 00:47.30 | jacekowski | unless phone is dead |
| 00:47.35 | jacekowski | then you do it with both of them |
| 00:47.49 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: wow :D |
| 00:48.03 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: thanks, now i learned to flash even nolo :) |
| 00:48.03 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 00:48.07 | jacekowski | sleep time |
| 00:48.09 | Termana | MohammadAG, low battery, I am disappoint |
| 00:48.14 | Termana | good night jacekowski |
| 00:48.18 | mikki-kun | sleep well and hell of a lot of thanks :) |
| 00:48.19 | jacekowski | i've got a new fake battery in my phone |
| 00:48.24 | jacekowski | it lasts like 4x longer |
| 00:48.35 | MohammadAG | Termana, charging animation, it's moving and I took the screenshot when it was low, big whoop |
| 00:48.37 | MohammadAG | night jacekowski |
| 00:48.51 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: nope |
| 00:49.00 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: it's green when it's charging isn't it |
| 00:49.09 | MohammadAG | that is green lol |
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| 00:49.20 | Termana | thinks someone is a little cranky, forgot his milk and can't take a joke :p |
| 00:49.23 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:49.26 | MohammadAG | you can see the USB symbol :p |
| 00:49.41 | MohammadAG | throws bri... N900s at Termana |
| 00:49.56 | jacekowski | good night |
| 00:50.07 | MohammadAG | night |
| 00:50.26 | ZogG | hey pitches |
| 00:50.38 | RST38h | Oh noooo |
| 00:51.01 | ZogG | you didn't want me to come over? |
| 00:51.14 | mikki-kun | wow, that was like the first time i flashed a bootloader without even knowing i flashed it ^^ well, somewhere one has to start :) |
| 00:57.01 | mikki-kun | but wow, great community support here :) |
| 00:57.20 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, are the shortcuts up there supposed to show? |
| 00:58.32 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, doh http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68249 :P |
| 00:58.57 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you need to tell me how to get your personal rss-feeds ;) |
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| 00:59.45 | MohammadAG | I think I have a tag on tmo now :p |
| 01:01.16 | MohammadAG | I accept donations in .patch file currencies |
| 01:01.18 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 01:01.43 | mikki-kun | hm, so far i don't have any real coding experiences :/ |
| 01:01.51 | mikki-kun | especially not in qt :( |
| 01:02.20 | MohammadAG | you'll learn, if you want to ;) |
| 01:02.46 | chx | how do you hold the proximity sensor...?? |
| 01:02.53 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | morning all. thought i'd poke my head in before heading off to bed. |
| 01:02.53 | MohammadAG | press it down |
| 01:03.10 | MohammadAG | morning [DrkGUNMAN-N900] |
| 01:03.30 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | did i miss much MohammadAG? |
| 01:03.31 | mikki-kun | other than on the n900 i am pretty spartanic on my setup... i am even considering to kill firefox and conkeror for now and then i can say my whole netbook gets even 10% more efficient |
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| 01:04.22 | mikki-kun | i am running mostly CLI versions of stuff and rely heavily on my command line |
| 01:04.27 | chx | MohammadAG: i am missing something ;( is there a button or...? |
| 01:04.30 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-06-20.log.html#t2010-06-20T15:47:02 |
| 01:04.37 | MohammadAG | chx, no, just cover the proximity sensor |
| 01:04.50 | chx | oh! cover. where it is :) ? |
| 01:05.00 | MohammadAG | next to the camera |
| 01:05.04 | MohammadAG | front one ;) |
| 01:05.13 | mikki-kun | i am MohammadAG i started with c++ in university... with a bad professor :/ |
| 01:05.18 | chx | good that i found the camera the other day, it was not easy :) |
| 01:05.41 | mikki-kun | chx: there is even an ambient-light sensor |
| 01:05.45 | mikki-kun | in case you didn't know |
| 01:05.50 | chx | i didnt |
| 01:05.51 | mikki-kun | 3 things close to each other there |
| 01:05.52 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, you can see from the logs I didn't know anything about C/C++ in June |
| 01:06.02 | MohammadAG | Actually, learned it in september, thanks to Venemo and alterego |
| 01:06.14 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | only major coding experience ive had so far is vbscript, wmi and autoit |
| 01:06.18 | MohammadAG | owes them a lot |
| 01:06.49 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: some are quick learners though as well... i was never good in languages |
| 01:07.01 | mikki-kun | it died somehow after the age of 10 i guess |
| 01:07.12 | mikki-kun | i had huge problems in french... |
| 01:07.17 | MohammadAG | First rule of learning a language, learn it in a non-boring way |
| 01:07.22 | MohammadAG | i.e, no books |
| 01:07.37 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, french is weird anyway, I don't blame you :P |
| 01:07.40 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: usually that involves a girlfried |
| 01:07.53 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 01:07.54 | mikki-kun | then it never gets boring to learn the new language :) |
| 01:08.18 | mikki-kun | but i can't have that many GFs at the same time |
| 01:08.29 | mikki-kun | and wome usually don't speak c++ or qt :/ |
| 01:08.33 | mikki-kun | *women |
| 01:09.03 | mikki-kun | any women here speaking c++/qt?! |
| 01:10.10 | MohammadAG | you can drop everything after "here" |
| 01:11.11 | mikki-kun | XD |
| 01:11.28 | mikki-kun | *me is really doing something wrong finding women* :( |
| 01:12.02 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i wouldnt mind giving c++ a go. will help me learn the who compiling process. will have the time it proper one the wedding is out the way. |
| 01:12.14 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i am just installing your mediabar :) |
| 01:13.19 | mikki-kun | i think i might make a signature on my mails and write there as my last line "N900, produced by Nokia, powered by MohammadAG" |
| 01:13.29 | mikki-kun | ^^ |
| 01:14.48 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 01:15.02 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, chatroulette, stay away from it |
| 01:16.06 | ieatlint | or make a chatroulette client for the n900 |
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| 01:17.04 | SpeedEvil | All you need to do is to cut a hole in your pocket, and you can be on chatroulette 24*7 |
| 01:17.09 | mikki-kun | chatroulette? |
| 01:17.25 | mikki-kun | is there an app called that? |
| 01:17.30 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: way ahead of you |
| 01:18.08 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: THE TOOLZ IZ AWEZUM! |
| 01:18.21 | mikki-kun | makes multitasking 100% more efficient! |
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| 01:19.06 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, it's a site that connects you with random people from the internet, usually they're jack... nevermind |
| 01:19.57 | mikki-kun | ohh, i usually don't do that :) i have my n900 to play with or my gentoo installs (one being a server) |
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| 01:22.36 | ieatlint | yeah, it hit a huge popularity streak last summer |
| 01:23.09 | MohammadAG | wasn't that omegle? |
| 01:23.10 | ieatlint | from what i was told, you'll mostly find random emo teenagers and old creepy guys with far less clothing than you'd prefer |
| 01:23.51 | ieatlint | eh, there are a bunch of different services that do it that go back at least as far as icq |
| 01:24.39 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, if you watch south park, this pretty much sums it all up :P http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5W71YQ7lGE |
| 01:24.53 | mikki-kun | southpark ftw! |
| 01:25.06 | MohammadAG | then that sums it up :P |
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| 01:26.50 | mikki-kun | lol XD |
| 01:27.33 | mikki-kun | lol, the punchline :D |
| 01:27.38 | mikki-kun | XD |
| 01:28.31 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 01:29.20 | RST38h | is dangerously close to buying a Streak now |
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| 01:30.01 | mikki-kun | RST38h: think of what MohammadAG offers you |
| 01:30.05 | mikki-kun | think of what Dell offers you |
| 01:30.11 | mikki-kun | see the difference? :) |
| 01:30.12 | RST38h | [but will wait for a few months, can't give up normal common-sense apps interaction so far] |
| 01:30.20 | RST38h | Yes, mikki-kun |
| 01:30.30 | MohammadAG | gives RST38h cocaine |
| 01:30.40 | mikki-kun | XD :D LMAO |
| 01:31.24 | MohammadAG | RST38h, http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=streak |
| 01:31.43 | MohammadAG | yeah RST38h, "wtf?" |
| 01:31.49 | RST38h | Ummmm |
| 01:33.18 | mikki-kun | urbandict FTW! |
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| 01:34.17 | MohammadAG | http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=maemo I'm surprised that exists |
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| 01:34.52 | MohammadAG | LOL @ Fremantle's definition |
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| 01:35.43 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, i guess the chatroulette client wouldn't work for me... |
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| 01:35.47 | Justus | hi |
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| 01:35.59 | Justus | is there an app that will let me export the calendar data in csv format? |
| 01:36.48 | gdiebel | MohammadAG: more like slow but it blows |
| 01:36.52 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you just make the hippie town way more hippie :D |
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| 01:43.47 | DocScrutinizer | urbandict, pfff. I'm tempted... "maemo: an animal that can't decide whether to maah or mooo" |
| 01:45.18 | mikki-kun | XD write it there and we have somthing for maemo :D |
| 01:45.42 | ieatlint | just got a $70 refund due to my auto insurance rate dropping 20% :) |
| 01:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~maah |
| 01:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | tzz |
| 01:47.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 01:47.30 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 01:48.11 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, streaming music to the n900 is pretty awesome :) |
| 01:48.19 | mikki-kun | ieatlint: congratz :) |
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| 01:48.28 | MohammadAG | I use groove :) |
| 01:48.46 | mikki-kun | i am using ssh and mpd http-streaming :) |
| 01:49.01 | mikki-kun | the totally complicated but most secure way i can think of :) |
| 01:49.08 | ieatlint | all i had to do was have my licence for 10 years and have just 1 ticket and 1 not-at-fault accident |
| 01:49.22 | mikki-kun | ieatlint: that is a pretty good static :) |
| 01:49.46 | mikki-kun | you can say you are a pretty good driver as not many get through one year ticketless |
| 01:50.24 | mikki-kun | btw, who wrote the punchline infobot posted? XD |
| 01:51.03 | Termana | "I drove good for 10 years and all I got was this lousy $70" |
| 01:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder as wel. Been told it's a song, I gather for kids |
| 01:51.51 | ieatlint | :P |
| 01:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 01:51.57 | Termana | I Am Cow by Arrogant Worms |
| 01:51.59 | ieatlint | Termana: more like annual drops for the past 5 years |
| 01:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:52.41 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i've the idea! go to chatroulette and the first thing you either say/write is maemo :D if the person answers correctly you should chat with her/him (especially if she is a hot woman :>) if not search for the next person ^^ |
| 01:52.43 | ieatlint | and yeah, just one ticket, crazy bitch rear ended me... and a cop who was pissed to have to come out in the rain because she pulled over but refused to talk to me decided i must have been driving too slowly, so i got a fucking ticket for going too slow |
| 01:53.37 | mikki-kun | ieatlint: which country you coming from? |
| 01:53.54 | ieatlint | US |
| 01:54.11 | mikki-kun | in at least germany if somebody hits you from the back the one driving into you is at fault |
| 01:54.22 | Termana | ieatlint, here in Aus we can dispute tickets in court, can't you do that there as well? |
| 01:54.28 | Termana | mikki-kun, same here |
| 01:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHA http://maemo.gitorious.org/harmattan-examples |
| 01:54.42 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, I'd die before finding someone |
| 01:54.44 | ieatlint | yeah, it was ruled their fault, but still also goes on my record as a "not at fault accident" |
| 01:55.14 | ieatlint | when you start getting a few not at fault accidents, they assume you must not be driving defensively |
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| 01:56.18 | Termana | ieatlint, can't you dispute the ticket though? or did you just not think it was worth it? |
| 01:56.54 | ieatlint | i did... my word versus police officer (even though he didn't witness it); court chooses cop |
| 01:56.57 | ieatlint | no surprise |
| 01:57.15 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: here a link to the statics x) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chatroulette last paragraph in overview :) |
| 01:57.19 | ieatlint | had no witnesses, etc |
| 01:57.33 | mikki-kun | i think i will write that guy and ask for the source of running video/audio |
| 01:58.06 | ieatlint | anyway, didn't intend to speak of my driving record quite so much... just yay me, $70 |
| 01:58.09 | ieatlint | that's a lot of beer |
| 01:58.20 | mikki-kun | don't drive then though :) |
| 01:58.40 | ieatlint | pff, this is america, we drive drunk |
| 01:58.40 | mikki-kun | or you won't get another 70$ after 10 years :) |
| 01:58.46 | ieatlint | if bush and cheney can do it, why can't i |
| 01:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | bush can't drive without booze |
| 02:01.39 | ieatlint | yeah, he would've been cooler if he weren't all sober through his presidency |
| 02:01.49 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: i guess those statics can't be that bad, can they? :D |
| 02:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | that's why the beast got an assigned driver and bush sits on the backseat |
| 02:03.01 | Termana | mikki-kun, the word you're looking for is statistics |
| 02:03.07 | Termana | not statics |
| 02:03.08 | Termana | :p |
| 02:03.18 | mikki-kun | Termana: thanks :/ |
| 02:03.24 | ieatlint | well, the #1 rule to know when driving is: "They'll swerve." |
| 02:03.34 | MohammadAG | wow |
| 02:03.44 | MohammadAG | my laptop can't handle 1080p with the new nvidia drivers |
| 02:04.43 | MohammadAG | well, mplayer ftw, my i5 can handle it if the card can't |
| 02:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | #1 rule when driving: if you want to go thru hell, you have to drive like the devil |
| 02:06.22 | MohammadAG | or text/tweet/chatonIRC while driving |
| 02:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, like our troll from US that claimed driving a lorry with nitroglycerine or sth like that, while trolling here |
| 02:09.05 | javispedro | MohammadAG: your i5 can't handle 1080p what? |
| 02:10.22 | MohammadAG | javispedro, playing the video on the CPU (mplayer) works, using the card (gstreamer) = lots of framedrops |
| 02:10.36 | MohammadAG | they used to work fine with the old nvidia linux drivers |
| 02:10.42 | javispedro | how you know gstreamer uses the card? |
| 02:10.57 | javispedro | can't you try mplayer -vo vdpau or the like |
| 02:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | any aussies here? is it true you sometimes tie the steer of the car and go aft for cooking coffee or fetching another sixpack, while cruising the outback? |
| 02:12.58 | mikki-kun | wow, rotating desktop widgets is also cool :) |
| 02:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: you know MHD? |
| 02:13.19 | mikki-kun | mhd? |
| 02:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | modified hildon desktop |
| 02:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | or matan's ? |
| 02:14.06 | mikki-kun | hm, i am using some of your modified hildon desktop files :) *pointing towards portrait status infos* |
| 02:14.11 | ieatlint | i'm sure paul hogan does it |
| 02:14.37 | ieatlint | but i'm wondering if you're thinking of the god's must be crazy, which had a scene like that, but was in south africa |
| 02:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 |
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| 02:15.57 | mikki-kun | Ã.Ã WOW :o |
| 02:16.23 | mikki-kun | so that is matan's hildon desktop? :o |
| 02:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | some 3 lines of details : http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 02:18.35 | RST38h | heya javispedro |
| 02:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | ^F ## new: with ctrl-BS |
| 02:18.43 | javispedro | hi RST38h |
| 02:18.53 | RST38h | OMG, Android does not even have a decent build of MPlayer or VLC |
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| 02:19.05 | javispedro | RST38h: abandoning the ship? |
| 02:19.27 | mikki-kun | i read the description of the video :) |
| 02:19.32 | mikki-kun | will add those lines as well :) |
| 02:19.49 | mikki-kun | *needs to write a proper .txt what was added* |
| 02:19.59 | RST38h | javispedro: Have been looking at Dell Streak. A 5" cell phone. |
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| 02:20.11 | mikki-kun | javispedro: he never went on board :) |
| 02:20.38 | RST38h | javispedro: Found unlocked version.Supports the 2100MHz 3G band MTS uses. |
| 02:20.41 | javispedro | RST38h: interesting price? |
| 02:20.57 | GAN900 | Handled a Galaxy Tab at Best Buy the other day. |
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| 02:21.16 | RST38h | javispedro: Decent price, with discount |
| 02:21.31 | RST38h | GAN: Coworker bought a Galaxy Tab |
| 02:21.31 | GAN900 | Android is so freaking gross though. |
| 02:21.46 | RST38h | Yea, have been looking at available apps.It is a fucking wasteland |
| 02:21.58 | GAN900 | Could work with a tablet that size in Maemo. |
| 02:22.11 | RST38h | has no idea what those bloggers mean when they say "thousands of apps at app store" |
| 02:22.31 | smoku | RST38h, mplayer nor vlc are not dalvik, so do not expect decent ports ;-) |
| 02:22.40 | GAN900 | Thousands of pieces junk |
| 02:23.12 | smoku | RST38h, 1000 fart apps and 1000 sudokus and there you are - thousands of apps |
| 02:23.23 | javispedro | well, I learned long long ago that thousands of apps is not any real useful indicator |
| 02:23.31 | javispedro | see, I come from PalmOS. |
| 02:23.33 | javispedro | :) |
| 02:23.42 | chx | print 1; print 2;.... i can generate millions of apps :D |
| 02:23.50 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 02:23.54 | RST38h | javispedro: $399 |
| 02:24.06 | RST38h | for 16GB version (where "16GB" applies to a removable SD card) |
| 02:24.20 | RST38h | smoku: <sigh> |
| 02:24.31 | GAN900 | Let's hope MWC brings pretty things. |
| 02:24.52 | mikki-kun | mwc? |
| 02:24.58 | mikki-kun | mobile world convetion? |
| 02:25.01 | chx | Pretty? likely. Useful? well. |
| 02:25.03 | smoku | RST38h, did I show http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:streak ? |
| 02:25.05 | Termana | Mobile World Conference |
| 02:25.08 | RST38h | smoku: Well, they are self-sufficient enough, so I would expect a usable port |
| 02:25.15 | nidO | congress* |
| 02:25.18 | Termana | err |
| 02:25.20 | Termana | yeah congress |
| 02:25.28 | RST38h | smoku: Yea, but Meego is about as useful as Mer has been |
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| 02:25.41 | RST38h | smoku: So, it is mainly of academic value =( |
| 02:26.08 | smoku | RST38h, you cannot have a native app on android. at leas until 2.3. the core of the app has to be dalvik and with NDK you can only call functions exported from .so |
| 02:26.30 | RST38h | smoku: MPlayer will work fine like this |
| 02:26.47 | javispedro | smoku: they made native apps in 2.3? |
| 02:26.50 | javispedro | O.o |
| 02:26.53 | RST38h | smoku: You basically implement file selection dialog in Dalvik, then call mplayer.so::main() with the right args |
| 02:27.04 | javispedro | I was only aware of the JNI stuff |
| 02:27.23 | smoku | RST38h, even SDL has problems. you need to translate all sound/video/input between native and java |
| 02:27.34 | javispedro | RST38h: you can draw from a JNI .so (via OpenGL), but sound must go back to dalvik |
| 02:27.50 | RST38h | javispedro: <sigh>^2 |
| 02:28.03 | javispedro | still keeps that the only reasonable mobile game API ever done is the WebOS one. |
| 02:28.08 | RST38h | Can you rig OpenGL to provide you with a direct pixel bufferpointer? |
| 02:28.10 | smoku | RST38h, no. you cannot call maplayer's main. the main loop needs to be in dalvik, otherwise the VM will kill your app |
| 02:28.17 | smoku | at least until 2.3 |
| 02:28.28 | RST38h | smoku: Ahhahahaha |
| 02:28.48 | javispedro | 2.3 changelog: "Applications that use native code can now receive and process input and sensor events directly in their native code, which dramatically improves efficiency and responsiveness. " |
| 02:28.49 | smoku | javispedro, yes. the main 2.3 NDK change is that you can implement main loop in native code and call dalvik from. |
| 02:28.49 | javispedro | pfft. |
| 02:28.53 | RST38h | smoku: Is there a system() call analogy? |
| 02:28.58 | ieatlint | someone should make a dvorak on-screen-keyboard for android so you can type faster |
| 02:29.05 | smoku | jacekowski, they even created a native library to make it easier |
| 02:29.06 | ieatlint | it'd be awesome, and useful |
| 02:29.10 | GeneralAntilles | RST38h: it'll be hilarious when every vendor shipping "MeeGo" has a completely different UI. |
| 02:29.22 | GeneralAntilles | I don't know why they think having a shit reference platform is a good idea. |
| 02:29.33 | RST38h | 2011: The year when Google reinvented native applications |
| 02:29.35 | javispedro | smoku: I see audio is also native now (opensl) |
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| 02:29.53 | smoku | javispedro, yes. finally |
| 02:29.54 | javispedro | so yes, they are clearly trying to ditch dalvik |
| 02:30.06 | smoku | but 2.3 is a new thing not present on any device yet |
| 02:30.17 | RST38h | General: They are not. They simply have a different goal for Meego, one that you cannot accept. |
| 02:30.57 | smoku | javispedro, they are not. they are just enabling android as a proper gaming platform. |
| 02:31.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, |
| 02:31.22 | MohammadAG | why are meego sources in the topic? they degrade what's open source of maemo |
| 02:31.37 | smoku | javispedro, but the core of the os is stil java variant |
| 02:32.10 | javispedro | not for long, I know this music. |
| 02:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia |
| 02:32.17 | RST38h | The next step would be to allow native audio :) |
| 02:32.28 | javispedro | RST38h: read above =) |
| 02:33.06 | RST38h | The the top Android honcho will leave Google, his favorite pet project in ruins etc |
| 02:33.35 | RST38h | And Dalvik will rightly take the place of MIDP it deserves :) |
| 02:33.52 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: btw, you released v0.1 on my bday :> |
| 02:33.59 | mikki-kun | MIDP? |
| 02:34.23 | smoku | but still, you call a native function in a library that calls a function in VM, that calls a java layer, that calls a function in java API, that calls a system integration layer, that calls the syscall... |
| 02:34.38 | javispedro | probably don't with opengl opensles |
| 02:34.39 | smoku | very easy and convinient :) |
| 02:34.44 | javispedro | they will just do something webos-style |
| 02:34.50 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, happy birthday :) |
| 02:35.12 | RST38h | javispedro: probably true. they will add SDL to the core system. |
| 02:35.16 | mikki-kun | thanks :) |
| 02:35.20 | javispedro | heh |
| 02:35.41 | javispedro | not thinking SDL (I still believe there's no better game API), |
| 02:35.42 | RST38h | javispedro: which will enable light weight full screen gaes (with GLES if needed) while letting them keep the rest of the core OS crooked |
| 02:35.52 | RST38h | s/gaes/games |
| 02:36.03 | javispedro | but rather they will reinvent X11 so that they can composite games+the Java stuff |
| 02:36.08 | javispedro | at a lower level. |
| 02:36.10 | RST38h | OMG |
| 02:36.21 | RST38h | Not *another* reinvention of X11, no, fuck, noo... |
| 02:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | hualp |
| 02:36.33 | smoku | RST38h, OpenGL/OpenVG/OpenML rather |
| 02:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | pukes |
| 02:37.07 | javispedro | *everybody* reinvents X11 these days |
| 02:37.10 | javispedro | even meego :) |
| 02:37.10 | RST38h | smoku: Lots of games are pain to code with these APIs. |
| 02:37.21 | RST38h | javispedro: Meego?Already? |
| 02:37.24 | javispedro | and in fact neither opengl nor openvg nor openml handle input. |
| 02:37.30 | smoku | and yes, the calls to OpenXX are shortcutted from native layer and don't have to go through dalvik |
| 02:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAH nope, not meego again |
| 02:37.44 | javispedro | RST38h: wayland |
| 02:37.56 | RST38h | javispedro: Ah, that is RedHat not Meego |
| 02:38.18 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: after rebooting the newest version won't running though, errormessage as follows: "Error org.freedesktop.DBus.Error.ServiceUnknown: The name proximityd.method.change was not provided by any .service files" |
| 02:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | wasteland |
| 02:38.30 | javispedro | but redhat -> fedora -> meego ;) |
| 02:38.40 | javispedro | hides |
| 02:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | feels sick |
| 02:38.56 | smoku | javispedro, there has been reinventions of X11 since the begining of Linux era, ant they will be ;-) |
| 02:39.05 | RST38h | Wait, Intel hired the Wayland guy, no wonder they are sticking Wayland into Meego now. |
| 02:39.06 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, grumble, start proximityd; stop mediabar; start mediabar |
| 02:39.12 | smoku | javispedro, it's not a new thing |
| 02:39.19 | RST38h | smoku:Since before the Linux era really |
| 02:40.02 | smoku | RST38h, yes. but before these stayed in lab at least, not blogs everywhere ;-) |
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| 02:40.48 | RST38h | smoku: there weren't any blogs |
| 02:41.21 | smoku | oh rly? |
| 02:41.32 | javispedro | there weren't blogs??? |
| 02:41.50 | javispedro | then how could the egomaniacs reinventing pulseaudio publish their impressive findings? |
| 02:41.51 | RST38h | http://wayland.freedesktop.org/faq.html <== pretty defensive people |
| 02:42.04 | RST38h | javis: they published RFCs |
| 02:42.11 | RST38h | javis: on Usenet. |
| 02:42.12 | javispedro | (sorry for the anachronism -- pulse ;) ) |
| 02:42.22 | RST38h | javis: and people shat all over their RFCs. |
| 02:42.54 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: is there a smart way to start proximityd on every boot? |
| 02:43.17 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, tbh, idk why it doesn't auto start |
| 02:43.28 | MohammadAG | ah now I know why |
| 02:43.33 | MohammadAG | how stupid of me |
| 02:43.45 | RST38h | smoku: BTW, is it right that you cannot bring up Meego desktop on Streak because there are no GLES drivers? |
| 02:43.56 | MohammadAG | start doesn't work as user |
| 02:43.57 | javispedro | WHAT? Imgtech strikes again! |
| 02:44.01 | MohammadAG | i'll fix it tomorrow |
| 02:44.06 | mikki-kun | ok :) |
| 02:44.11 | javispedro | btw |
| 02:44.15 | javispedro | "There Might Be An Open PowerVR Driver In Q3'11" |
| 02:44.19 | javispedro | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODk4Ng |
| 02:44.19 | mikki-kun | it is in /usr/sbin/ :) |
| 02:44.23 | RST38h | yea right |
| 02:44.39 | smoku | RST38h, yes. |
| 02:44.47 | RST38h | not before Imagetech is bought by someone with common sense |
| 02:44.57 | MohammadAG | you could edit /etc/event.d/mediabar |
| 02:45.02 | jacekowski | RST38h: you can always go noveau way |
| 02:45.03 | javispedro | does Intel have any cash left after the McAfee thing? |
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| 02:45.30 | RST38h | smoku: But doesn't this mean you can still run a standard X11 server on the frame buffer and bring up *some* desktop? Like Ubuntu Unity or even Hildon Desktop? |
| 02:45.56 | jacekowski | javispedro: ? |
| 02:46.01 | RST38h | javis: Don't you worry about the cash :) |
| 02:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | why does mediabar need initctl start? |
| 02:46.29 | RST38h | javis: just made up with Nvidia, by the way of cross-licensing agreement |
| 02:46.33 | DocScrutinizer | need to call* |
| 02:47.12 | MohammadAG | cause it starts at bootup? |
| 02:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: no, for sure they are broke now |
| 02:47.29 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: do you know of anybody tweaking the n900's front-cam? |
| 02:47.41 | MohammadAG | nope, SpeedEvil maybe |
| 02:47.46 | javispedro | jacekowski: so that they can buy imgtech, as it seems they also have problems with their drivers |
| 02:47.46 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: it sucks and it's designed to suck |
| 02:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | me does it 5 times a day |
| 02:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | *tweak* *teak* |
| 02:48.15 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: where is front on your phone |
| 02:48.30 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: is it main cam or is it small cam next to lcd we are talking about |
| 02:48.35 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: the one which points at you when looking at the display ;) |
| 02:48.48 | jacekowski | it's designed to suck |
| 02:48.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: yeah, always takes me wonder. Anyway front != main |
| 02:49.14 | mikki-kun | hm, is it possible to maybe replace? |
| 02:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 02:49.20 | jacekowski | no |
| 02:49.28 | mikki-kun | hm, due to the motherboard? |
| 02:49.33 | smoku | RST38h, both unity and hildon desktop (at least fremantle ones) need accelerated composition |
| 02:49.33 | jacekowski | nope |
| 02:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:49.43 | jacekowski | there are no alternatives |
| 02:49.44 | jacekowski | i mean |
| 02:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | not mother, but daughter |
| 02:49.47 | mikki-kun | decide you two have to ;) |
| 02:49.48 | jacekowski | it's hmm 2mm thick |
| 02:50.07 | mikki-kun | 2mm only?! Ã.ö |
| 02:50.07 | jacekowski | and you have to fit pcb, sensor and lens in 2mm |
| 02:50.13 | mikki-kun | holy schnikes Ã.ö |
| 02:50.15 | smoku | RST38h, but yes - nothing stops you from running 2D desktops like LXDE or even GNOME. you can see TWM on my movie |
| 02:50.28 | jacekowski | main cam has bit more space |
| 02:50.38 | smoku | RST38h, MSM X11 driver is pretty fast |
| 02:50.44 | mikki-kun | i am pretty happy with the main one |
| 02:50.49 | mikki-kun | it looks good |
| 02:50.57 | jacekowski | well, it has much better lens |
| 02:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | and is plugin replaceable by virtual better cam modules :-D |
| 02:51.10 | jacekowski | and bigger sensor |
| 02:51.21 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: with cameras bigger == better |
| 02:51.29 | mikki-kun | usually the case :) |
| 02:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | or actually replace it when broken |
| 02:51.40 | mikki-kun | why didn't nokia install the 5MP also to the front? :( |
| 02:51.43 | jacekowski | and whatever people say, small camera can't give you good picture |
| 02:51.47 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: space |
| 02:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | the front cam though, no dice |
| 02:51.57 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and costs |
| 02:52.09 | jacekowski | mikki-kun: and good sensor + shitty lens == shitty picture |
| 02:52.09 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 02:52.14 | MohammadAG | 5MP on front |
| 02:52.26 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: you see how much the price went down? from like 600⬠to under 300$! |
| 02:52.33 | MohammadAG | would imagine posts on tmo discovering 5+5 should = 10MP |
| 02:52.42 | mikki-kun | LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOL |
| 02:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | damn, then I would swear even louder while putting stickytape on it |
| 02:52.57 | mikki-kun | and the dual-core phones are like 2Ghz as 1+1 = 2 |
| 02:53.07 | jacekowski | 2+2=5 |
| 02:53.20 | javispedro | 0.4+0.4=0.3 |
| 02:53.24 | javispedro | because of overhead. |
| 02:53.30 | mikki-kun | LAWL :D |
| 02:53.39 | MohammadAG | 1/0 = 0.0 |
| 02:53.42 | MohammadAG | because. |
| 02:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | e=mc^2 |
| 02:53.50 | javispedro | the fun comes when you get into many-core |
| 02:53.57 | javispedro | 100*1Ghz = 0Ghz. |
| 02:54.01 | mikki-kun | black holes are where god divided by zero... or at least tried to |
| 02:54.12 | jacekowski | javispedro: your math is little bit off |
| 02:54.24 | javispedro | it is actually accurate to a single digit |
| 02:55.08 | ShadowJK | iirc pandaboard advert says 2 * 1GHz A9 = 1.5GHz A8 |
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| 02:55.24 | javispedro | so |
| 02:55.34 | trip0 | mikki-kun, you laugh, but when we try to compute what we know about black holes, infinity and dividing by zero often come up |
| 02:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | 5 Sievert ^ 0.8 coulomb = 33 roentgen/mile |
| 02:55.43 | RST38h | smoku: Hey, you can run the DIABLO hildon desktop :) |
| 02:55.50 | javispedro | one thing I'm wondering is that the blogs and the guys running them are all crazy about the fact that this year most phones are supposed to be dual core ones |
| 02:55.54 | javispedro | save for one. |
| 02:55.58 | smoku | RST38h, meh |
| 02:56.05 | javispedro | the N9, of course =) |
| 02:56.14 | trip0 | in other words, our current understanding of things doesn't scale when looking at things elsewhere in the universe |
| 02:56.21 | mikki-kun | trip0: i am rather laughing at the god part :) not at the black holes... they are amazing! |
| 02:56.28 | RST38h | trip0: howdoyouknow? |
| 02:56.50 | javispedro | so how will TMO erupt in flames when the N9 is released having a single-core A8? |
| 02:56.54 | RST38h | javispedro: Actually, all I am caring about now is to have a device that I am comfortable with |
| 02:56.55 | javispedro | want to place any bets, gentlemen? |
| 02:57.02 | trip0 | RST38h, i'm a script-kiddie astronomer? |
| 02:57.13 | smoku | RST38h, see http://codex.xiaoka.com/wiki/meego:archos - this is accelerated :) |
| 02:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | fsck, even N900 is quad core ASMP |
| 02:57.19 | javispedro | RST38h: yeah, tbh, all of the non-resistive ones look the same to me |
| 02:57.25 | RST38h | javispedro: one core, two cores, A8, A9, two A8s, capacitive screen, resistive screeen, who gives a flying fuck? |
| 02:57.35 | javispedro | hey, I give about touchscreen. |
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| 02:57.54 | mikki-kun | i give about ram and a proper emmc which does not slow down my NIT -_- |
| 02:57.56 | trip0 | RST38h, people who run android and who need really fast processors to make up for the android-slow |
| 02:57.56 | RST38h | javispedro: ah come one, so they will take your ability to sketch stuff with a nail |
| 02:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | or wait, I forgot at least 5 other cores on N900 :-P |
| 02:58.14 | javispedro | RST38h: a _stylus_ |
| 02:58.27 | javispedro | the ability the sketch nasty drawings with a stylus. |
| 02:58.32 | RST38h | javispedro: btw, not using the stylus. I have found a perfect accessory for the N900. |
| 02:59.13 | javispedro | trip0: not to worry, android will become slower to compensate. |
| 02:59.44 | RST38h | javispedro: http://www.krusell.se/products/5/?catid=74&productid=2930 (mine is black) |
| 03:00.01 | javispedro | fssk |
| 03:00.02 | mikki-kun | hm, is it the sad truth, that the n900 is the phone that is calling the fewest home? :( |
| 03:00.31 | trip0 | is convinced the mobile cpu arms race is a direct result of android being "the slow" |
| 03:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh, as long as my "tablet" is fast enough to render the video on screen and to receive the HSDPA stream, I realy don't know what else I'd need, other than maybe vnc |
| 03:00.49 | RST38h | Android is not CPU bound |
| 03:00.55 | RST38h | So, trip0, you are wrong |
| 03:01.02 | trip0 | RST38h, it's slow |
| 03:01.04 | javispedro | RST38h: after my experience with the lenovo's capacitive screen, they can pry my stylus from my cold dead fingers |
| 03:01.10 | RST38h | yes, but it is memory bound |
| 03:01.10 | trip0 | i'm not wrong on that |
| 03:01.20 | trip0 | to make it faster, you can make the hardware faster |
| 03:01.26 | RST38h | so raising cpu frequency will notimprove things drastically |
| 03:01.46 | trip0 | RST38h, the consumer doesn't know that |
| 03:01.51 | RST38h | javispedro: remove all nouns from that sentence except "lenovo" |
| 03:01.56 | trip0 | consumers map cpu freq/cores with fast |
| 03:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: RIGHT ON, RIGHT ON! |
| 03:02.07 | RST38h | sighs and adds an ignore |
| 03:02.20 | javispedro | RST38h: good point. |
| 03:02.53 | RST38h | javispedro: the Streak reacted pretty well (otoh, it has got a huge screen so precision was not a problem) |
| 03:03.15 | javispedro | the problem is that the lenovo has the biggest screen and lowest DPI of all the devices we're talking about here. |
| 03:03.25 | javispedro | and yet, I have a hard time hitting anything. |
| 03:03.39 | smoku | trip0, the "arms race" is because ARM realized that mobile computing is going to bite a good chunk of desktop application space. and they are trying to get as far as they can before intel joins the race sand starts catching up |
| 03:04.41 | javispedro | so, unless lenovo is manufacturing an order of magnitude less precise touchscreens... |
| 03:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | my experience with c-ts was me trying 5 minutes to enter an sms on a whyphone. Before I gave up :-P |
| 03:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | soooo shiny, soooo utterly useless |
| 03:06.19 | javispedro | clearly, I just have to wait until Steve Jobs himself sells me required surgery to get me more "stylish" fingers. |
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| 03:07.02 | smoku | my experience from getting back to resistive screen (after 4 months with dell streak) is: oh damn.. i need to actually _press_! oh damn, i need to use my fingernails instead of palms again... :/ |
| 03:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, or always have a can of hotdog saussages with you |
| 03:07.36 | javispedro | you have to press very hard with saussages |
| 03:07.39 | javispedro | making them useless |
| 03:07.41 | javispedro | (yes I tried) |
| 03:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 03:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | you need better saussage |
| 03:08.21 | RST38h | javispedro: My guess is that it is lenovo to blame |
| 03:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | fresher ones |
| 03:08.36 | RST38h | javispedro: Company produeces unbelievable crap |
| 03:08.37 | trip0 | smoku, i'm not sure it's as much ARM as it is all the ARM customers (TI, Qualcom, etc) but yeah, that's likely a motivation as well. |
| 03:09.16 | smoku | trip0, +1. I should have said "ARM pack" :) |
| 03:09.30 | trip0 | hehe |
| 03:10.14 | trip0 | it's like the ghz race of the 90's 2000's |
| 03:10.30 | javispedro | well, there's no point fighting either way. when the n900 breaks it is either capacitive or start scavenging in wastefills |
| 03:10.34 | mikki-kun | seems to be like it |
| 03:10.34 | trip0 | except it's in ur phone! |
| 03:11.31 | smoku | i like it. this gives me hope for CISC-less future :) |
| 03:11.33 | trip0 | javispedro, also, the capacitive on this lenovo s10 is better than this exopc tablet's capacitive... |
| 03:11.38 | trip0 | imho |
| 03:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, for the c-ts - it's for sure a nice concept of an input device, if and only if you are using strictly built to fit apps and desktop and whatnot. And sometimes that's next to impossible to achieve - thinking about drawing, maybe even painting |
| 03:11.59 | lucent | javispedro: nokia n900? |
| 03:12.11 | trip0 | n9!!!! |
| 03:12.17 | javispedro | lucent: nokia n900. |
| 03:12.30 | lucent | javispedro: I own an N900, something I should know? |
| 03:12.34 | mikki-kun | i am thinking, that the n900 is the best mobile device so far |
| 03:12.37 | smoku | javispedro, have you tried the ideapad screen under windows? does it suck so badly too? maybe this is a case of sucky driver / calibration? |
| 03:12.39 | DocScrutinizer | I however wnat a mobile device that's as close as possible to my linux desktop, and that is not compatible with a c-ts |
| 03:12.54 | trip0 | speaking of which... what's the latest n9 gossip? it's be announced at MWC? |
| 03:12.59 | javispedro | smoku: I was thinking Windows actually. Meego is slight better. |
| 03:13.11 | javispedro | Handset because it has... enormous buttons. |
| 03:13.21 | javispedro | and Netbook because ... well, the launcher is OK., |
| 03:13.23 | smoku | javispedro, oh. /me surprised :) |
| 03:13.26 | javispedro | the applications are not. |
| 03:14.01 | lucent | actually just picked up an otterbox for the N900 |
| 03:14.12 | mikki-kun | otterbox? |
| 03:14.24 | lucent | it's not electric, sorry. just protective outer case that snaps on |
| 03:14.36 | mikki-kun | anybody knowing here a sports-strap for the n900? |
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| 03:15.05 | lucent | when I misplaced my N900, I thought it was lost forever. After careful consideration, I decided I will buy another N900; but then I found my phone again |
| 03:15.23 | lucent | the price is something to think about but I will stay using an N900 anyways |
| 03:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | imagines N900 in those green swimming clothes of Bahrat |
| 03:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | err, Borat? |
| 03:16.13 | lucent | ha, the oversized speedo? |
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| 03:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.giftmonger.com/acatalog/borat-mankini-very-nice.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.giftmonger.com/acatalog/Borat_Mankini.html&usg=__vzStMON4tZ6dki260FpU_WI6f-0=&h=390&w=280&sz=34&hl=de&start=5&zoom=1&tbnid=aMZarNncQXKrxM:&tbnh=123&tbnw=88&ei=H8AvTfqKNoPssgbz14j8CQ&prev=/images?q=borat+green&um=1&hl=de&sa=N&tbs=isch:1&um=1&itbs=1 |
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| 03:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | shit for the URL |
| 03:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | mankini was the name |
| 03:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | dunno why I seen this when I read sports strap for N900 :-D |
| 03:19.16 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö |
| 03:22.03 | javispedro | capactive screens cause CANCER! |
| 03:22.28 | javispedro | there are certain websites one really has to avoid =) |
| 03:23.48 | DocScrutinizer | haha, you're not talking about mankinis? |
| 03:24.06 | javispedro | argh |
| 03:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | makes my eyes bleed |
| 03:24.10 | javispedro | you made me click the link |
| 03:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 03:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT is *truely* a nice multitouch http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bv3X5y-ajtc |
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| 03:31.34 | jacekowski | WITH A STYLUS |
| 03:31.52 | jacekowski | ah |
| 03:31.54 | jacekowski | it's resistive |
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| 03:32.12 | javispedro | art! |
| 03:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | LART capacitive touchscreens |
| 03:33.08 | javispedro | that is pure art! multitouch brush+finger paintaing |
| 03:34.01 | jacekowski | still, one thing capacitive has |
| 03:34.03 | jacekowski | is glass |
| 03:34.07 | jacekowski | instead of delicate plastic |
| 03:34.22 | javispedro | you can technically make a glass resistive screen |
| 03:34.33 | jacekowski | i made quite big dent in my touchscreen today |
| 03:35.43 | javispedro | heh |
| 03:35.50 | javispedro | I am impressed |
| 03:36.07 | javispedro | Palm tried to sell me the opposite thing. That plastic was better than glass because it would not broke on a fall. |
| 03:36.16 | javispedro | *break |
| 03:36.49 | jacekowski | well it will not crack |
| 03:36.58 | jacekowski | you will just have hole in it |
| 03:37.16 | javispedro | a hole? |
| 03:37.33 | javispedro | Imho the worst part about plastic is that I've actually seen it _wear_ off. |
| 03:37.38 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 03:37.42 | jacekowski | it scratches and stuff |
| 03:37.52 | jacekowski | but it looks like newer screens are better than old ones |
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| 03:38.02 | jacekowski | i mean i had shitloads of scratches on my old htc pda |
| 03:38.17 | jacekowski | and not so much on my phone |
| 03:38.19 | javispedro | I have a m130 here which has a clear weared off area |
| 03:38.54 | javispedro | looks like if I had been sticking and unsticking stickers on it |
| 03:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n1GCI5B5ntk&NR=1 stantum prototype tablet (r-ts) |
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| 03:47.36 | DocScrutinizer | I had a AKAI tape recording machine, that had megnet heads with a glass surface. Lifetime warranty. I also heard you can even have *diamant* surface on arbitrary material, by evaporating carbon in vacuum and having it condesing on the surface to coat. |
| 03:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | what I want to say is: you probably can create plastic that is scratchproof like diamant and unbreakable like rubber |
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| 03:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | *diamond* for our angloglot readers |
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| 04:03.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1 1:53!!! for the musicians |
| 04:04.51 | ieatlint | behold the power of javascript.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HnQHoCDxiRw&NR=1#t=1m53s |
| 04:07.06 | javispedro | you could probably get rich selling that to the same market that buys those +$200 "DJ" tables |
| 04:08.44 | ieatlint | i've seen something vaguely similar implemented using "processing" and used at a club here by a friend who does their music some nights |
| 04:11.38 | javispedro | rofls |
| 04:11.45 | javispedro | http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2010/12/08/twitter-conversation-reveals-nokia-n9-specs/ |
| 04:11.50 | javispedro | (warning: blog spam. but it's a fund read) |
| 04:11.54 | javispedro | *fund |
| 04:11.58 | javispedro | *fun |
| 04:12.00 | javispedro | (damn) |
| 04:12.27 | javispedro | this is priceless: "The Twitter conversation also reveals that the upcoming handset will offer a dedicated gaming engine, supporting a display of 190 polygons/second. If indeed true, this would place it high-above any other gaming smartphone on the market specs-wise, and would put the N9 on par with certain dedicated gaming consoles." |
| 04:12.41 | javispedro | 190 polygons per second! |
| 04:13.14 | beford | 190 gigawatts! |
| 04:13.27 | javispedro | 190 gigowatts per joule! |
| 04:14.01 | ieatlint | "Nokia are yet to confirm the existence of the N9, although if rumour is to be believed, it will be making its debut in Q1 2011, alongside MeeGo." ... meego has no Q1 2011 release, and never has |
| 04:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | WUT 190 polygons per hou^Hsecond??? INCREDIBLE!! |
| 04:14.29 | javispedro | wow! It's the 1980's already?? |
| 04:17.27 | javispedro | certainly, 1.2Ghz, 1GB of RAM, and "dedicated game processor" might amount to 190 polygons por hour in a Java/MIDP world. Who knows. |
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| 04:27.47 | ShadowJK | my E70 does atleast 1000 per second! |
| 04:27.52 | ShadowJK | in python |
| 04:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. and a 7.6 poly/frame @25fps is surely mad useful |
| 04:29.03 | DocScrutinizer | I commented, let's see if he will give that an ok :-P |
| 04:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | "almost as fast as me with a pencil :-P" |
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| 04:32.07 | DocScrutinizer | I'm almost temped to write a little fancy in python or whatever, to see how many 'polygons' (actually I thought these were triangles) the N900 can do / s, without any optimization :-D |
| 04:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | and surely without any "dedicated gaming gfx engine" |
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| 04:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | maybe that gaming engine is intel SSE, emulated in bochs? |
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| 04:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | the funniest part is when he claims this "puts the N9 on par with certain dedicated gaming consoles." |
| 04:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | btw there's a recent article with same BS as well |
| 04:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://nokiamobilephonenews.co.uk/2011/01/13/nokia-n9-to-launch-in-february-at-mwc/ |
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| 04:37.18 | javispedro | recent gaming consoles indeed, like my trusty Nintendo Game&Watch |
| 04:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia News -- Official news and opinions on Nokia |
| 04:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | PFFF |
| 04:38.36 | javispedro | well, I said "blog spam". |
| 04:38.50 | DocScrutinizer | wonder how long it takes Nokia to take down this site |
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| 04:54.17 | ShadowJK | they don't |
| 04:56.30 | ShadowJK | especially as nokia sponsored blogs have the same type of stuff on the front page... |
| 04:56.33 | ShadowJK | "Shihuzaan has designed a Nokia MeeGo concept phone which he is calling the Nokia N14. |
| 04:56.37 | ShadowJK | Incorporating MeeGo into its design the N14 boasts a 1 Ghz processor, 8mp Carl Zeiss camera and 4â³ super AMOLED display screen." |
| 04:58.08 | ShadowJK | and that's from a section described as: |
| 04:58.11 | ShadowJK | "âm sure youâve dreamt up your PERFECT Nokia phone. What it would look like, what it would feel like, what features it would have. Why donât you share it with the world" |
| 04:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is Alice, err Shihuzaan? |
| 04:58.27 | ShadowJK | Basically user submitted dream phone |
| 04:58.38 | ShadowJK | Depressingly it looks crap and the specs are facepalm-ish :P |
| 04:59.15 | ShadowJK | crap as in where's hte keyboard :( |
| 04:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | :sigh: |
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| 05:00.36 | DocScrutinizer | sandbox for idiots anyway. I *hope* Nokia isn't that foolish to pay any notice to that random BS of weirdos |
| 05:00.43 | ShadowJK | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/11/17/my-dream-nokia-5-nokia-e10-meego-phone-tablet-transformer-with-foldable-6-54-screen-and-solar-panels-concept/ |
| 05:00.49 | ShadowJK | check that out |
| 05:00.53 | ShadowJK | that would be kinda neat |
| 05:01.02 | javispedro | I want a transformer phone! |
| 05:01.50 | DocScrutinizer | nah, mine needs to be inflatable, with built-in nano-engine compressor |
| 05:02.28 | javispedro | from reading that blog |
| 05:02.40 | javispedro | also nightmarish is the entire confusion the masses are getting about meego uis |
| 05:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | lemmings |
| 05:03.01 | PhonicUK | hey all |
| 05:03.06 | PhonicUK | i'm having a weird problem since PR 1.3 |
| 05:03.19 | PhonicUK | my device doesn't seem to be able to aquire an IP address for my wireless network :\ |
| 05:03.24 | PhonicUK | but other devices are fine |
| 05:03.27 | DocScrutinizer | you have a weird problem *called* PR1.3 :-P |
| 05:03.34 | PhonicUK | xD |
| 05:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | suggests wireshark on the N900 |
| 05:05.17 | mikki-kun | there is wireshark |
| 05:05.20 | mikki-kun | repos |
| 05:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | err, yes? |
| 05:05.36 | ShadowJK | javispedro, well... I'm not at all surprised that they're confused. Marketing is saying "Meego meego meego!", but reality is intel's meego, car meego, tablet meego, netbook meego, phone meego, Nokia's meego |
| 05:06.00 | javispedro | random company's meego |
| 05:06.07 | javispedro | half-assed chinese clone's meego |
| 05:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | there's also some lighweight alternative, which the name of I forgot |
| 05:06.41 | ShadowJK | Have you noticed people from chinese car makers and indian car makers on #meego? :) |
| 05:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you forgot harmattan meego |
| 05:07.24 | ShadowJK | Nokia notMeeGo-MeeGo, Nokia MeeGo :P |
| 05:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | k :-D |
| 05:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | maego-meemo |
| 05:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | maehgoo |
| 05:09.13 | DocScrutinizer | meme-meego |
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| 05:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | And seems it's hard to find any of those in any shop, on a device you could buy |
| 05:10.50 | ShadowJK | It was actually kinda hard to find maemo now too |
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| 05:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder who got fired cause no more need in meego for names like sardine, herring, gaspacho, diablo, nolo, fiasco |
| 05:12.57 | ShadowJK | btw, the cellular modem chips of N900 are named after characters in "The Flintstones", in finnish :P |
| 05:13.01 | ds3 | fiasco might come back into use |
| 05:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | actually - with meego - it seems to me fiasco is all over the place :-P |
| 05:14.48 | mikki-kun | it not only seems to, it most likely is |
| 05:15.16 | mikki-kun | just hidden behind SELinux-like security so the users won't see the whole bloody mess |
| 05:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, some parts for sure are |
| 05:15.49 | ds3 | ewwwwwwwwwwwww SELinux |
| 05:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | yummy |
| 05:16.09 | Kilroo1 | ...I don't remember how I got here. |
| 05:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehehe |
| 05:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: don't worry. We're lost as well |
| 05:17.45 | Kilroo1 | I started out researching how to partition my n900 and now for some reason I'm searching for news on nitdroid and uboot... |
| 05:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: maybe you accidentally typed /join #maemo ? |
| 05:18.39 | Kilroo1 | I meant how I got from partitioning to uboot. I know how I ended up in the channel. I actually typed that on purpose. |
| 05:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: partition N900? what do you plan to do? |
| 05:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | increase size of /home? |
| 05:19.36 | ShadowJK | there's a wiki article on it, it looks less messy than the wiki page on flashing |
| 05:19.41 | ShadowJK | that's somewhat promising |
| 05:19.49 | ShadowJK | or then a sign that it's incomplete |
| 05:21.06 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: For purposes of installing Nitdroid internally instead of to SD and hopefully eventually for purposes of trying some other stuff...ArchMobile for example...I think I'd feel more comfortable with partitions than with letting the OSes sit there politely ignoring each other. |
| 05:21.50 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 05:21.52 | Kilroo1 | What I learn from my research will tell me whether I am right or not. (About feeling more comfortable with the partitioning.) |
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| 05:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | so probably you want to split MyDocs mmcblk0p1 into some 2..4 smaller partitions |
| 05:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | that should be fairly easy |
| 05:24.32 | Kilroo1 | Well, the tricky part is that my first choice would be to do it entirely on the n900 itself, using parted, after backing up important things to my SD card, and there's a lot less in the way of detailed guides for that, I think because most of the guides for such things predate the n900 parted package. |
| 05:24.58 | Kilroo1 | I also have gotten sidetracked reading about backupmenu, including its plans for world domination. |
| 05:25.08 | Kilroo1 | I mean, for flashing things. |
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| 05:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest (if the other OS don't mind) you keep mmcblk0p1 as vfat MyDocs, and use p2..pN for your special purposes. You might need to fix /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home and the swap mounts |
| 05:26.26 | ShadowJK | are we still uncertain about backupmenu in the case of bad blocks on nand? |
| 05:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, there's only sfdisk genuine on maemo |
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| 05:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | I'm feeling more and more like trusting it, though I'm still missing any confirmations on it working |
| 05:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I think RobbieThe1st has understood the problem and properly fixed it |
| 05:27.56 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 05:28.03 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, um, hello. |
| 05:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | hi :-) |
| 05:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | Kilroo1: or probably it's even better you keep the assignment of dev/mmcblk0p2=/home, p3=swap, and *append your own new partitions at end |
| 05:30.15 | Kilroo1 | Well, so far the only things I know I want to use are nitdroid and eventually Arch Mobile and Meego. And when I say eventually, that takes into account the fact that I don't how far along Arch is really, and I don't really intend to try Meego until I can have stock, power kernel, nitdroid, and meego all use the same polyboot method. |
| 05:31.09 | Kilroo1 | DocScrutinizer: My vague intent is to model my plans after this. http://www.forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=905427&postcount=6 |
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| 05:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | the *droid fanboys seem to have little or no respect for concurrent OS on the device |
| 05:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | quite redmond way of thinking. Recall the mess about windows install always killing LILO, in good old times? |
| 05:35.50 | Kilroo1 | Somehow I read what you just said and my brain went "qemu on the n900." |
| 05:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | btw that's been same mess on Openmoko freerunner, with that specific *droid flavour |
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| 05:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | I think somebody managed to install meego to eMMC recently. For nitdridiot though it seems it's not even that easy to boot it with anything not multibootish |
| 05:40.21 | Kilroo1 | I thought it was more a case of not considering uboot-compatibility a high priority than of not thinking it'd be a good idea... |
| 05:40.26 | mikki-kun | hm, is maemo actually able to use the sources from meego? (i mean which are closed source in maemo, but opensource in meego) |
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| 05:41.46 | rtyler | anybody installed the power user kernel lately? |
| 05:42.03 | mikki-kun | it has been the same for a couple of month |
| 05:42.34 | mikki-kun | what are you asking on it? :) |
| 05:46.39 | rtyler | ponders |
| 05:47.17 | rtyler | really want the mobile hotspot to work, looks like i need to uninstall the current kernel first though :-/ |
| 05:49.21 | mikki-kun | current kernel? |
| 05:51.14 | rtyler | maemo5 standard kernel |
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| 05:52.52 | ieatlint | rtyler: don't stress about it... do a backup and follow the instructions on the wiki |
| 05:52.52 | rtyler | derp |
| 05:53.04 | ieatlint | in the unlikely event shit goes wrong, you aren't fucked |
| 05:53.07 | rtyler | linkywinky? |
| 05:53.24 | ieatlint | you just need to re-flash the kernel over usb -- in theory, your userspace will never be touched |
| 05:53.25 | rtyler | can't a kernel update brick this? |
| 05:53.39 | ieatlint | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power |
| 05:53.42 | rtyler | I don't have this connected to a PC |
| 05:53.45 | ieatlint | nope |
| 05:53.55 | rtyler | no Linux PC Suite AF-AIK |
| 05:54.06 | ieatlint | in the *unlikely* event shit goes wrong, you will need a pc to fix it (windows or linux should suffice) |
| 05:54.56 | rtyler | ruh roh |
| 05:55.07 | rtyler | let's hope it doesn't come to that |
| 05:55.21 | rtyler | kernel updtes from bed, this should be fun |
| 05:55.27 | ieatlint | and as a general rule, before making any real changes to your phone, do a backup |
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| 05:56.37 | ieatlint | if shit does somehow go wrong, this is what to follow: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_only_the_kernel_from_a_FIASCO_image |
| 05:57.19 | ieatlint | oh, and make sure your battery has a lot of charge |
| 05:58.16 | Kilroo1 | wait... |
| 06:00.27 | Kilroo1 | I triple-boot stock, power, and nitdroid. When I'm booted from the power kernel, I can activate the mobile hotspot app. I've had people test it and be able to use the internet through me. Why would you need to uninstall the default kernel to do that? |
| 06:00.43 | Kilroo1 | standard kernel, rather, was the term you used. |
| 06:01.15 | ieatlint | heh |
| 06:01.29 | ieatlint | there is a partition on nand that contains the kernel |
| 06:01.55 | ieatlint | assuming you're using something like multiboot, when you change kernels, it reflashes that partition with the kernel of choice when you select it |
| 06:03.24 | ieatlint | you might be able to make an argument that it's somehow safer, but it'd be a weak argument ... especially when you can always recover from a broken kernel using a computer and a usb cable |
| 06:03.31 | rtyler | Kilroo1: the app manager claims that there's a conflict and the power kernel can't be installed |
| 06:03.50 | Kilroo1 | rtyler: you have backupmenu? |
| 06:04.08 | Kilroo1 | Or some other custom kernel dooflotchy? |
| 06:05.22 | ieatlint | problems with community projects... ask a question, get contradicting answers that risk devolving into pedantic debate :P |
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| 06:07.31 | rtyler | i don't think i have any other goofy kernel bits installed |
| 06:07.50 | Kilroo1 | Huh. So what's it conflicting with? O.o |
| 06:07.53 | rtyler | tweaker menu maybe? |
| 06:08.18 | ieatlint | nah, it's conflicting because without the use of another non-stable tool, you can't have multiple kernels "installed" |
| 06:08.35 | rtyler | advice? :) |
| 06:08.59 | ieatlint | even when you do have another tool, the package manager would still not treat it as both kernels being installed |
| 06:09.13 | ieatlint | the package rules files make them mutually exclusive in the package manager |
| 06:09.40 | ieatlint | simple advice is backup, install the power kernel, and don't worry about it |
| 06:09.57 | ieatlint | it'll give you mobile hotspot, and you won't hurt anything |
| 06:10.33 | mikki-kun | and while installing apps get FAPman :) |
| 06:10.46 | mikki-kun | you will leave the default app-manager for fapman |
| 06:10.58 | mikki-kun | fapman == faster application manager |
| 06:11.24 | ieatlint | plus the added benefit of sexual innuendo |
| 06:11.28 | rtyler | cannot install |
| 06:11.45 | rtyler | conflicts with kernel-maemo, kernel-maemo-modules |
| 06:11.55 | mikki-kun | rtyler: you have only extras and not extras-devel as repo? |
| 06:12.00 | mikki-kun | Ã. |
| 06:12.24 | ieatlint | err, you don't want extras-devel |
| 06:12.38 | mikki-kun | ieatlint: some usefuls apps are there |
| 06:12.56 | rtyler | feh, no devel for me right now :-P |
| 06:12.59 | ieatlint | as shown on that wiki page, you install kernel-power-settings which will bring in the dependencies to flash the power kernel |
| 06:13.04 | ieatlint | it's in extras methinks |
| 06:13.14 | rtyler | ieatlint: that's what i tried |
| 06:13.27 | rtyler | i'll try with apt-get now from rootsh |
| 06:13.43 | ieatlint | huh, i'm confused by that then |
| 06:13.57 | mikki-kun | sudo apt-get install kernel-power kernel-power-setting (later one am not sure of the package name, let me check* |
| 06:14.28 | ieatlint | kernel-power-settings |
| 06:14.32 | ieatlint | just list that one |
| 06:14.46 | ieatlint | and you can't run it through sudo like that i'm afraid, need to be root |
| 06:14.53 | rtyler | apt-get is removing the old bits and installing the new |
| 06:14.56 | mikki-kun | ieatlint: thanks :) wasn't sure anymoe how it was names :) |
| 06:15.06 | mikki-kun | sudo -i then |
| 06:15.23 | mikki-kun | or wait, /bin/sh access is killed... thanks messybox |
| 06:15.26 | mikki-kun | sudo gainroot then |
| 06:15.46 | ieatlint | "sudo gainroot" or "root" will give you a root shell |
| 06:15.48 | mikki-kun | sudo gainroot to get root-allowances :) |
| 06:15.58 | ieatlint | either will work fine for this |
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| 06:18.59 | mikki-kun | rtyler: which repos do you have enabled? |
| 06:19.44 | rtyler | and rebooted |
| 06:20.25 | mikki-kun | so it installed? |
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| 06:20.50 | rtyler | looks like it |
| 06:20.57 | mikki-kun | uname -a |
| 06:21.01 | ieatlint | congrats |
| 06:21.23 | mikki-kun | 2.6.28.10power46 <--- something like this should be returned :) |
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| 06:22.33 | rtyler | things feel slightly faster |
| 06:22.42 | rtyler | wonder if that's just the reboot |
| 06:23.02 | mikki-kun | rtyler: for installing mobile hotspot "sudo gainoot" "apt-get install mobilehotspot" |
| 06:23.22 | mikki-kun | rtyler: usually after i reboot things feel a lot more sluggish *lol* |
| 06:23.45 | mikki-kun | but i guess that is due to all the stuff having to load :) |
| 06:25.04 | rtyler | verified that mobilehotspot works |
| 06:25.10 | trumee | Power Kernel sucks in some cases |
| 06:25.18 | rtyler | should be now set for SCALE in feb. |
| 06:25.19 | mikki-kun | trumee: what does it suck? |
| 06:25.30 | trumee | If you do sip calls. stay away from it |
| 06:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: usually you would use root rather than sudo gainroot |
| 06:25.53 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: usually i use sudo -i |
| 06:26.00 | trumee | mikki-kun, it eats up much more cpu on sip calls compared to stock |
| 06:26.03 | rtyler | no UI tools for slightly overclocking? when I'm plugged in there's no reason not to make it faster |
| 06:26.12 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 06:26.24 | mikki-kun | trumee: hm, maybe tweak some of the values then? swapolube might help |
| 06:26.44 | mikki-kun | rtyler: overclocking can and will damage your hardware :) |
| 06:27.01 | trumee | mikki-kun, dont think swapolube will help |
| 06:27.03 | mikki-kun | there is a reason why those CPUs are rated 600 MHz ;) |
| 06:27.14 | rtyler | battery life! :) |
| 06:27.17 | trumee | mikki-kun, some patch in pk screws up sip |
| 06:27.18 | mikki-kun | trumee: well, you might give it a try though :) |
| 06:27.40 | mikki-kun | are you sure it is also in 46? |
| 06:28.02 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: |
| 06:28.04 | trumee | mikki-kun, my own custom kernel working very well. thank uou |
| 06:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | ~ $ sudo -i |
| 06:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/sh' as root on t900. |
| 06:28.10 | mikki-kun | rtyler: thos cpu's also have to be guaranteed to work for some time ;) yours might be doing now for the next months good, but then ust die |
| 06:28.33 | mikki-kun | btw, it overclocks your dsp as well (the graphics) and that is also not very perfect in most cases :) |
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| 06:28.43 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: i made my own sudoers-rules |
| 06:28.53 | rtyler | well, the microUSB already broke off, on my second device already |
| 06:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | me too, but then you can't suggest to others to use sudo -i, instead of root |
| 06:29.12 | rtyler | I give this unit a few months before that same thing happens |
| 06:29.17 | mikki-kun | trumee: may i ask where you got the files from? :) |
| 06:29.32 | mikki-kun | rtyler: i am having mine since jan last year, no loose usb here :) |
| 06:29.42 | trumee | rtyler, how you deal with personal data before sending to nokia care? |
| 06:30.00 | trumee | mikki-kun, i built them myself in scratchbox |
| 06:30.19 | rtyler | trumee: didn't do a great job of cleaning |
| 06:30.24 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: yeah i know... i actually was so annoyed by that i killed it after like the second use or so >.< |
| 06:30.30 | rtyler | had no power left, no way to charge |
| 06:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: sorry? |
| 06:30.50 | mikki-kun | trumee: hm, but the files, where are those? :) |
| 06:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: you killed what? |
| 06:31.15 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: just wanted to tell why i told in the first place.. but yeah, i corrected myself :) |
| 06:31.23 | trumee | rtyler, hmm. i have lot of personal data on the phone. will be scared to send the phone to nokia |
| 06:31.39 | mikki-kun | uhhh, sudo gainroot out of memory by adding /bin/sh on the allowed list :) |
| 06:32.04 | rtyler | trumee: sometimes you just have to take a risk :( |
| 06:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: I just siggested to use cmd ``root'' raher than ``sudo gainroot'' |
| 06:32.25 | rtyler | naptime |
| 06:32.28 | trumee | mikki-kun, sitting on my computer somehere. probably not useful to you. it is quite close to stock kernel |
| 06:33.02 | mikki-kun | hm, why does root give me a root-sh? |
| 06:33.15 | mikki-kun | where does this magic come from? |
| 06:33.16 | trumee | mikki-kun, i only patched pptp and nat support |
| 06:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: root ^= su -l root ; sudo gainroot ^= su |
| 06:33.56 | mikki-kun | i don't want you files trumee, just wanted to know where i could download them so i can have a glimpse at them and compile them if i wanted to :) |
| 06:34.06 | mikki-kun | so there is su?! |
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| 06:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | no but it's simulated by sudo and the script gainroot and root |
| 06:34.37 | trumee | mikki-kun, you can get the kernel source from repo? |
| 06:34.59 | trumee | mikki-kun, i dont have any special code. |
| 06:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | root will give you a login shell, while sudo gainroot simply changes user but keeps env |
| 06:36.00 | mikki-kun | hm... is this package called kernel-power-source trumee? :) |
| 06:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: it's not nice to place things like .less-hist and whatnot into ~user, that have owner root and aren't deletable by user |
| 06:36.43 | mikki-kun | it doesn't exactly change your user from what i experienced... |
| 06:37.02 | trumee | did kernel compile quite some time ago. doesnt remember the details :( |
| 06:37.08 | mikki-kun | "cd " should bring you back to your home directory |
| 06:37.19 | mikki-kun | but that brings me back to /home/user when i run sudo gainroot |
| 06:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | because sudo gainroot keeps user environment |
| 06:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | see echo $HOME |
| 06:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | sudo gainroot is NOT a login shell |
| 06:38.28 | mikki-kun | i find it rather confusing to have sudo gainroot as well... |
| 06:38.42 | mikki-kun | on my boxes here i don't even have sudo, only su |
| 06:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | su doesn't work with busybox |
| 06:39.17 | mikki-kun | yeah, i know due to it scratching some byte off |
| 06:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | anyway usually it's recmmended to use ``root'' rather than ``sudo gainroot'' |
| 06:40.16 | mikki-kun | i am still due to that a little annoyed... and the fact /home/user/MyDocs _has_ to be vfat... i mean, weren't they able to get proper drivers out? |
| 06:40.39 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: a hell of sources and tutorials just tell "sudo gainroot" ;) |
| 06:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | MyDocs is for sharing to windows via USB mass storage. |
| 06:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: that's because ``root'' is relatively modern and new |
| 06:41.46 | mikki-kun | doesn't windows already have ext2 support available? |
| 06:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 06:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | available maybe |
| 06:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | but not by default |
| 06:42.36 | mikki-kun | vfat is also not by default on a linux install |
| 06:42.37 | mikki-kun | :) |
| 06:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 06:42.55 | DocScrutinizer | good night |
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| 06:45.59 | mikki-kun | sleep well |
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| 07:10.35 | rd1381 | hello |
| 07:10.44 | rd1381 | is there somebody from iran here? |
| 07:11.27 | rd1381 | everybody is away? |
| 07:14.18 | SpeedEvil | Or not from iran. |
| 07:14.28 | SpeedEvil | I'm not from Iran. |
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| 07:20.08 | rd1381 | can i ask a question then? |
| 07:20.43 | slonopotamus | you already did |
| 07:20.47 | rd1381 | its a bit complicated |
| 07:20.51 | slonopotamus | three times |
| 07:20.57 | rd1381 | its about ovi store |
| 07:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 07:22.07 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 07:23.21 | rd1381 | ok here it goes: |
| 07:23.21 | rd1381 | i am from iran and even though nokia sells its phones in iran the vovi.sore denies access to iran |
| 07:23.41 | rd1381 | ovi.store imeant |
| 07:24.11 | rd1381 | so i used firefox and used a agent string of n900 to go to ovi store in my pc |
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| 07:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | not a dramatic loss |
| 07:24.37 | rd1381 | but the download files are in XXXXX.install format |
| 07:24.54 | rd1381 | which is just a text pointing to the name of package |
| 07:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 07:25.18 | DocScrutinizer | actually to plg name and repository where to download it |
| 07:25.19 | rd1381 | now how can i download the actuall deb files from my pc ? |
| 07:25.36 | rd1381 | cause i cant do that in n900 |
| 07:26.59 | rd1381 | any clue how to do that? |
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| 07:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | somebody with some knowledge how apt and repositories are working might be able to help |
| 07:28.18 | rd1381 | i know how they work(to some extent) |
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| 07:29.20 | rd1381 | but i dont have the full name of packeges( like firefox-4.b4.armel7.deb) |
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| 07:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, I don't ask what's wrong with N900 connected to same network as the PC. I also don't ask if those OVI pkgs can maybe found on http://maemo.org/downloads/Maemo5/ |
| 07:31.22 | rd1381 | no |
| 07:31.53 | rd1381 | in my pc i use a proxy to connect to ovi.store so that site think ia m from germany :) |
| 07:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | can't you do the same for N900? |
| 07:32.49 | rd1381 | no i dnot know how |
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| 07:33.24 | rd1381 | i can run a little java proxy in n900 but i dont know how to change the package manager accass of internmet |
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| 07:35.44 | DocScrutinizer | ok, most simple way: copy the *.install file to n900, to MyDocs/.documents. Then in web browser microb enter file:///home/user/MyDocs/.documents, then click on the install file |
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| 07:36.19 | rd1381 | it downnt work |
| 07:36.46 | rd1381 | i think the roblem is that te package manager cant get to ovi.store |
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| 07:36.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, there is something special with OVI, as it is meant for sftware to buy |
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| 07:37.23 | ShadowJK | The proxy settings are in the "Advanced" tab for each connection in Settings -> Internet Connections, if I remember correctly. You need both http and https for the package manager. |
| 07:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I never have looked into OVI for long, as there was nothing interesting |
| 07:38.11 | ShadowJK | Well, his problem is that he clicks the .install, and ham tries to connect to ovi store to download it, but ovi store rejects him when it sees his iranian ip |
| 07:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 07:39.46 | DocScrutinizer | I thought along the line of networking with PC as a router, but that's not helping for proxy settings. Proxy however can get configured in advanced internet connection settings afaik |
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| 07:41.21 | rd1381 | i think i found something on n900 for proxy |
| 07:41.29 | rd1381 | i check it out and report back |
| 07:41.42 | rd1381 | thank you for all the answers |
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| 07:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | proxy is in internet connection config, click the advanced button on last screen |
| 07:42.15 | rd1381 | oh btw who herer has install meego |
| 07:43.27 | rd1381 | i want to try some other os on n900 is there i good way to do that without removing the original (should i get a second memory?) |
| 07:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | you can install meego on a micro-SD card |
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| 07:48.36 | rd1381 | is it fun? |
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| 07:48.45 | ShadowJK | btw, if you just want firefox/fennec, you could try direct from mozilla.org: http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/download/ |
| 07:49.02 | rd1381 | are yo talking to me? |
| 07:49.18 | rd1381 | cause firefox has a repo |
| 07:49.53 | ShadowJK | ah well you mentioned firefox so I wasn't sure if you knew firefox has a repo :) |
| 07:50.45 | mikki-kun | hm, where will those packages be saved to when you download them? |
| 07:51.08 | mikki-kun | ohhh, i was still half an hour back :/ |
| 07:51.09 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | dotblank - haven't had a chance to make my own pc based build environment yet so not been able to follow up your initial results with phoneme. |
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| 07:53.01 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | did try out a compiled version for N800 available from the site. doesnt seem to work on N900, get signal 11 error. |
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| 08:02.10 | ieatlint | signal 11 is SIGSEGV, segmentation fault ( "Invalid memory reference" ) |
| 08:02.28 | ieatlint | so go recompile and/or bitch at the author :P |
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| 08:32.45 | dotblank | wow.. has anyone tried buildroot? |
| 08:32.49 | dotblank | this thing is epic |
| 08:33.39 | dotblank | http://buildroot.uclibc.org/ |
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| 08:44.05 | MohammadAG | ffs is there a way to detect a call was started? |
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| 08:53.05 | dotblank | MohammadAG, dbus>? |
| 08:53.26 | MohammadAG | dotblank, sends a signal like 3 seconds after the call is answered |
| 08:53.50 | Corsac | MohammadAG: did you get my question about random playback yesterday> |
| 08:53.51 | Corsac | ? |
| 08:53.52 | dotblank | I swear I saw signal right away.. |
| 08:54.05 | MohammadAG | Corsac, nope, probably was away |
| 08:54.14 | MohammadAG | dotblank, could be my device then |
| 08:54.15 | dotblank | when call came in.. are you filtering dbus-monitor? |
| 08:55.23 | Corsac | MohammadAG: it was a feature request to have a ârandom album playbackâ mode in your mediaplayer |
| 08:55.44 | Corsac | MohammadAG: in case it's not clear enough, a mode where you play an album sequentially and then pick another one at random |
| 08:55.48 | MohammadAG | requests when it's out lol |
| 08:56.10 | MohammadAG | dotblank, yes |
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| 09:22.08 | Venemo_N900 | hi guys |
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| 09:23.32 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:23.54 | Venemo_N900 | Jaffa: morning |
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| 09:36.24 | ruskie | contemplates rebooting his n900 after 2months+uptime to get some grabage collection on the root partition.. |
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| 10:17.04 | psycho_oreos | some error that didn't output anything to parent PID before dying? |
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| 10:18.42 | psycho_oreos | *shrugs* lol internal error somewhere |
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| 11:13.05 | Gh0sty | hello |
| 11:13.20 | Gh0sty | strange question perhaps: |
| 11:13.36 | Gh0sty | but is it possible by script (and how) to disable the fact that the phone is locking? |
| 11:13.50 | Gh0sty | (yes I have the lock code enabled, I know I am alien) |
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| 11:15.27 | Gh0sty | I would like to make a script that can disable "lock the phone after x amount of time" and can enable it again afterwards also ... :) |
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| 11:18.12 | ieatlint | your request makes no sense |
| 11:18.26 | ieatlint | you want it to not lock the phone, yet you set it to lock? |
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| 11:30.23 | edheldil | ieatlint: I guess he want it lock by default, by disable locking for some activities like reading a book or watching a movie |
| 11:30.34 | edheldil | s/by/but/ |
| 11:30.51 | edheldil | grrr |
| 11:31.20 | edheldil | replace the other "by", infobot |
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| 11:38.35 | lardman | wonders if statistics like characters/post are available for TMO |
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| 11:42.27 | Gh0sty | http://ugov.be/documents/ |
| 11:42.42 | Gh0sty | presentation I gave last tuesday about n900 and maemo |
| 11:43.14 | Gh0sty | scripts need some more notes (I gave the explantation vocally but will try to put some notes later) |
| 11:43.55 | Gyjf | no recording of the talk? |
| 11:44.29 | Gyjf | #!/bin/bash |
| 11:45.00 | Gyjf | might not want to use bash since its not the standard shell for the n900/maemo |
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| 11:48.32 | Gh0sty | Gyjf: it was a small talk of 10 people |
| 11:48.41 | Gh0sty | our local linux user group |
| 11:48.46 | Gh0sty | don't have such equipment |
| 11:49.10 | Gyjf | you have a n900 :P |
| 11:49.28 | Gh0sty | and also it was in dutch (created slides in english because I want to share with the community) |
| 11:49.45 | Gyjf | ah |
| 11:49.54 | Gh0sty | not sure if there is now a track on fosdem ... |
| 11:50.03 | Gh0sty | otherwise I could give the same talk on fosdem perhaps |
| 11:50.22 | Gh0sty | but I already got another talk planned there (completely unrelated) |
| 11:50.30 | Gh0sty | so giving 2 talks in 1 weekend ... :p |
| 11:51.13 | Gh0sty | for the people who dont know fosdem: |
| 11:51.35 | Gh0sty | http://fosdem.org the biggest free and non-commercial event organized by and for the community. Its goal is to provide Free and Open Source developers a place to meet. No registration necessary. |
| 11:52.01 | Gh0sty | 5-6 february - Brussels Belgium |
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| 11:52.45 | Gh0sty | and I really would like that DocScrutinizer comes there ... I even offer him beers to come :P |
| 11:53.03 | edheldil | Gh0sty: are you going to program the profile switcher? :) |
| 11:53.22 | Gh0sty | perhaps ... still busy looking up the dbus calls and stuff |
| 11:53.36 | Gh0sty | friends offered to help |
| 11:53.40 | Gh0sty | there is already partial code |
| 11:54.11 | Sicelo | nice presentation, Gh0sty |
| 11:54.19 | Gh0sty | but I am just a python starter and my knowledge/understanding of dbus is limited |
| 11:55.12 | Gh0sty | hope there is still a way to improve the annoyances ... |
| 11:55.31 | Gh0sty | asked a friend who works for nokia if he can push some people around there ... :P |
| 11:56.14 | Gh0sty | btw is pr1.3 the last version or will there be a maemo 6 ? |
| 11:56.34 | Gh0sty | as in: do we go to meego or is there still going to be further upgrades to maemo ? |
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| 11:57.43 | Gh0sty | bbl, food >> /dev/mouth |
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| 12:06.26 | Arkenoi | does this thing really look like that: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkkJb9NUGwg ? ovi store says it is just 3d model search and nothing more. |
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| 12:12.03 | nidO | I think what you're seeing there is an extra AR layer on top of their normal model search software |
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| 12:13.33 | Gyjf | marker based argumented reality |
| 12:13.35 | Gyjf | looks nice |
| 12:14.20 | nidO | Arkenoi there is already a marker AR app available that's been kicking around for months if you want to just try one, it only has a couple of markers/models though |
| 12:14.45 | Gyjf | no AR games yet? |
| 12:15.08 | nidO | not that im aware of |
| 12:15.11 | lcuk | could make ar moving cups game |
| 12:16.00 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM ;) |
| 12:16.03 | chem|st | parrot ar drone control would be a good start |
| 12:16.37 | Gyjf | but then you need aditional hardware |
| 12:16.53 | Gyjf | and im poor :( |
| 12:16.59 | chem|st | you are fscked by now if you want something for music playback and no iWantYourSoul-control/port |
| 12:17.07 | Arkenoi | nid0, name? |
| 12:17.14 | chem|st | Gyjf: true |
| 12:17.40 | Gyjf | a drone isnt that cheap |
| 12:17.46 | Gyjf | but it would be awesome :D |
| 12:17.51 | chem|st | I am thinking of BT or wifi controller board for my coffeemaker |
| 12:18.09 | nidO | Arkenoi: arapp |
| 12:18.13 | nidO | in extras afaik |
| 12:18.27 | lcuk | yeah it is |
| 12:18.40 | nidO | the markers for it are at http://www.rojtberg.net/wp-content/uploads/2010/06/arapp_markers.pdf |
| 12:18.43 | Gyjf | what can it do? |
| 12:18.56 | chem|st | something like this rabbit nabaztag?! would be nice too for rfid controlled stuff |
| 12:19.05 | nidO | Gyjf: display 2 different models of houses on those two markers ^ |
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| 12:19.37 | nidO | or it might be a house and a tree, I cant remember |
| 12:19.46 | Gyjf | how easy would it be to add moddels/markers? |
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| 12:20.09 | chem|st | had anyone have a look at luckyGPS yet? |
| 12:20.34 | nidO | presumably not hard in theory, the hard work of getting the software to find markers and display the required model is all there |
| 12:21.18 | chem|st | the whole ar stack from berkley is open source afaik |
| 12:21.37 | chem|st | or was it stanford?! |
| 12:22.00 | Gyjf | but to add moddles/markers do i have to digg trough the source or just add itt and edit a config file? |
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| 13:26.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: envelope should be in your PBox tomorrow... |
| 13:27.58 | chem|st | would have wanted to restart the MTA if delivery error had occured ;) |
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| 13:38.52 | lardman | curses MATLAB |
| 13:40.51 | ZogG | khertan_, i liked the double touch for options for tweet and the way it was before was cooler |
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| 13:44.44 | E0x | somebody remember the thing that was like the android one that notify you in the pc when a sms or call is going |
| 13:44.47 | E0x | ? |
| 13:44.57 | E0x | i saw it in tmo but not remember the name |
| 13:45.17 | E0x | and not sure how search it |
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| 13:46.04 | E0x | ok i find it |
| 13:46.14 | E0x | http://sourceforge.net/projects/n900notifier/ |
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| 14:17.46 | BCMM | E0x: "The client runs on N900 devices (Maemo) and the server component runs on Ubuntu, Mac OS X and Windows." - why is it that way round? |
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| 14:21.35 | E0x | BCMM: what ? |
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| 14:30.36 | yacc | E0x, because especially mobile networks do not allow servers on the phones, the poor things are completely NATed. |
| 14:31.20 | Ex-Opesa | Guys, is there any working program for audio/video call for msn on n900? |
| 14:31.22 | yacc | E0x, furthermore considering that you can easily do VNC with the N900, I personally am happy with the blue LED, but you might be in a situation where the phone is not exactly at hand. |
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| 14:31.52 | yacc | Ex-Opesa, Well, the question is there a working audio/video call for MSN for Linux, don't think so. |
| 14:32.02 | yacc | Ex-Opesa, hence none for the N900, ... |
| 14:32.13 | Ex-Opesa | yacc: Too bad. :( |
| 14:33.59 | Ex-Opesa | yacc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=44413 |
| 14:34.32 | Ex-Opesa | yacc: ajmalis said it used to work on butterfly (donno what that is) and I wonder if its fixed in new version |
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| 14:34.44 | zutesmog | Ex-Opesa: what about fring. (not sure what it can do on N900, but is has some of those capabilies. |
| 14:34.57 | zutesmog | s/capabilies/capabilities/ |
| 14:36.08 | jonwil | Assuming someone has figured out the codecs and protocols used for MSN video (and it sounds like they have) there is no reason that you couldn't produce a video-call app for the N900 |
| 14:36.19 | Ex-Opesa | zutesmog: Okay I will look into it later. :) |
| 14:36.27 | jonwil | its just a matter of someone with the skills being interested in using it |
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| 14:37.35 | ZogG | so who played angrybirds on PC? |
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| 14:45.03 | khertan | ZogG: Yeah you were probably the only one ... and adding more options will made an huge horrible dialog |
| 14:45.11 | khertan | Hello all ! |
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| 14:46.16 | ZogG | khertan only one what? i just opened this dialog by mistake hundred times |
| 14:46.31 | ZogG | khertan, btw have you got my bugs reports? |
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| 14:50.48 | E0x | yacc: is just for local network , when you are home playing some game with headphone and don't heart you mobile ? |
| 14:51.24 | E0x | but anyway i was looking for it some for saw the code , i am trying doing something similar but in other scenario |
| 14:52.16 | khertan | ZogG: i got many bugs report so yours was probably in :) |
| 14:52.35 | khertan | ZogG: you were the only one which like the double click |
| 14:52.44 | khertan | ZogG: every one complain about it |
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| 14:55.22 | ZogG | khertan =( |
| 14:55.34 | ZogG | maybe option would be nice? |
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| 15:06.07 | kirma | wondering if stuff on slide 29 could be applied meaningfully to maemo/meego world: http://www.slideshare.net/andrewmurraympc/elce-the |
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| 15:06.34 | kirma | slightly different environment, but still |
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| 15:09.51 | kirma | shared libraries are likely to be in memory once they're loaded the first time, but maybe application startup could still benefit... |
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| 15:10.57 | kirma | also, general locality improvements when shared library pages are not mapped for some reason and multiple functions are called typically in line... |
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| 15:24.45 | alterego | Does anyone keep track of the most stable testing image? |
| 15:25.10 | alterego | Whoops, wrong chan |
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| 15:48.22 | phrearch | hey |
| 15:48.33 | phrearch | is meego on the n900 a bit fast, or? |
| 15:48.45 | phrearch | someone told me its slow as hell |
| 15:49.07 | lcuk | meego on n900 is being optimised now |
| 15:49.14 | alterego | phrearch: right now it's still getting there, but I wouldn't say "slow as hell" |
| 15:49.21 | lcuk | just today we found out theres a 20% performance increase potentially available |
| 15:49.26 | alterego | I think they're quoting old info |
| 15:49.29 | lcuk | that will be tested in coming days/week |
| 15:49.38 | alterego | lcuk: more than that hopefully :D |
| 15:49.45 | alterego | context dependant of course. |
| 15:49.52 | lcuk | alterego, 20% on just the one item from discussion earlier |
| 15:49.59 | lcuk | obviously there are the others |
| 15:50.11 | lcuk | no alterego - this should be 20% where cpu needs it most |
| 15:50.12 | phrearch | hm another thing :) anyone noticed some mysterious behaviour of the n900 when powering on/off? |
| 15:50.12 | alterego | Yeah, but it seems things were a bit broken |
| 15:50.22 | lcuk | due to it not doing any kind of cpu scaling and using 500mhz |
| 15:50.46 | alterego | At least video playback seems smooth now apparently. |
| 15:50.51 | phrearch | like a dimmed nokia startup screen dissappearing, and then just ... nothing, until you restart again |
| 15:50.56 | alterego | Though still taking too much cpu time |
| 15:51.10 | alterego | phrearch: can't say I have |
| 15:59.51 | yacc | phrearch, yeah, happens here, usually if the USB cable is plugged in, ... |
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| 16:39.55 | javispedro | Intel now plans a x86 Windows 8 phone |
| 16:40.33 | alterego | woof |
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| 16:42.34 | GAN900 | I don't see the point. |
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| 16:43.37 | khertan_ | GAN900: the point is behind the 't' letter |
| 16:43.39 | alterego | s/GAN900/Marvin/ :D |
| 16:43.47 | javispedro | well, continuing on that "phone replaces computer" trend, I do see the point. |
| 16:44.06 | javispedro | however, I'm afraid Intel is still far away from making that usable. |
| 16:44.14 | javispedro | power-wise. |
| 16:45.25 | alterego | Well, I'm sure we'll see soon enough |
| 16:45.41 | alterego | They're certainly pooring enough resources that way. |
| 16:46.06 | alterego | and supporting android and wp os' show even more commitment. |
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| 16:51.58 | pahartik | refuses to take x86 anywhere, including workstation |
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| 16:53.38 | alterego | pahartik: what do you use for a workstation then? |
| 16:54.00 | ManoftheSea | Hello. I have a "down for everyone or just me" question. AIM protocol: Fails with "Network Error" since about the new year. |
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| 16:54.45 | pahartik | alterego: At moment PowerPC... |
| 16:55.00 | alterego | aweful |
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| 17:01.29 | Venemo_N900 | hey guys |
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| 17:04.56 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 17:05.19 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, pong |
| 17:05.58 | MohammadAG | I screwed something up |
| 17:06.42 | Venemo_N900 | what's that? |
| 17:07.03 | MohammadAG | playing with layouts in the FMTX dialog |
| 17:07.17 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 17:08.29 | rtyler | any mobilehotspot users here? :D |
| 17:08.38 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 17:08.39 | MohammadAG | fixed it |
| 17:09.44 | rtyler | presumably mobilehotspot is supposed to start an ad-hoc network, but I was wondering if there are additional documents detailing the configuration the devices connecting to the network need |
| 17:09.50 | rtyler | (no dhcpd apparently) |
| 17:11.45 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, http://i56.tinypic.com/2m62v02.jpg |
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| 17:12.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: congrats |
| 17:12.41 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what's the problem? |
| 17:12.59 | MohammadAG | fixed |
| 17:13.08 | MohammadAG | they button and two lists were overlapping |
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| 17:13.14 | MohammadAG | and before the button was just too small |
| 17:13.19 | MohammadAG | had to switch to QGridLayout |
| 17:13.42 | MohammadAG | would have never figured it out if Qt wasn't FOSS... |
| 17:13.48 | pahartik | rtyler: "avahi-autoipd" if one wants IPv4? |
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| 17:14.30 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, alterego, is it possible to rotate a QLabel |
| 17:14.44 | rtyler | pahartik: I don't understand your suggestion, is that a maemo package or something you're suggesting I install on another machine?? |
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| 17:16.28 | ManoftheSea | it's a suggestion to use zeroconf |
| 17:17.34 | SmokeyD | hey everyone. syncevolution complains at installation that it can't satisfy the python-gobject dependency |
| 17:18.01 | SmokeyD | i had it running fine before the last upgrade of my N900 |
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| 17:18.16 | SmokeyD | but now it doesn't want to install anymore |
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| 17:20.01 | SmokeyD | syncevolution is in the extra-testing repo. |
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| 17:24.52 | MohammadAG | anyone got a digital radio nearby? |
| 17:25.37 | SmokeyD | radio as in fm/am or internet radio client? or server? |
| 17:26.00 | MohammadAG | FM with RDS |
| 17:26.17 | SmokeyD | nope, sorry |
| 17:26.18 | MohammadAG | this N8 isn't good enough, it updates RDS when it wants to |
| 17:26.24 | MohammadAG | not when it has to |
| 17:26.34 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: In car and on N9 |
| 17:26.39 | Jaffa | s/N9/N900 |
| 17:26.46 | Jaffa | Silly Jaffa |
| 17:26.55 | alterego | You heard it hear first! Jaffa has an N9! :D |
| 17:26.57 | javispedro | ah! |
| 17:27.05 | Jaffa | I wish :-) |
| 17:27.07 | alterego | Quick post tmo threads! |
| 17:27.09 | MohammadAG | can't use the N900, since I need the transmitting to be from the "N9" |
| 17:27.13 | alterego | Call the bloggers! |
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| 17:27.34 | SmokeyD | :) |
| 17:27.35 | MohammadAG | starts the rumor mill about the Nokia N10 |
| 17:27.42 | rtyler | ManoftheSea: with regards to zeroconf, are there any more detailed guides on connecting devices properly with mobilehotspot I could just read? |
| 17:27.47 | rtyler | I hate to be a bother on IRC :) |
| 17:27.51 | Jaffa | alterego: The rumour blogs can report it as "N9 confirmed to have DAB" |
| 17:27.54 | SmokeyD | is the N8 symbian or maemo? |
| 17:28.01 | Jaffa | SmokeyD: Symbian^3 |
| 17:28.03 | MohammadAG | Symbian^3 |
| 17:28.08 | alterego | Hahah |
| 17:28.10 | Jaffa | snap |
| 17:28.16 | javispedro | MohammadAG: Nokia N12: http://mynokiablog.com/tag/nokia-n12/ |
| 17:28.21 | alterego | It would be nice to have a DAB receiver tbh |
| 17:28.30 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 17:28.31 | alterego | Along with fm tx/rx |
| 17:28.34 | ManoftheSea | rtyler: I don't know. I found out it does ad-hoc, and my wife's android doesn't connect to ad-hoc |
| 17:28.34 | MohammadAG | oh and the N9 radio only shows the first word from RDS, which makes it pointless to test |
| 17:28.42 | MohammadAG | N8 ffs :p |
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| 17:28.43 | ManoftheSea | Thus, we used the android version. |
| 17:28.44 | alterego | DAB tx is a bit "out there" though :D |
| 17:28.45 | Jaffa | alterego: Dunno how well the portable ones work. |
| 17:28.46 | ManoftheSea | sorry. |
| 17:28.53 | rtyler | ManoftheSea: yeah, kind of a bummer |
| 17:28.56 | alterego | Jaffa: my mum seems happy with hers. |
| 17:29.12 | alterego | Will get better in the UK next year when the turn off analog TV |
| 17:29.15 | Jaffa | alterego: Cool. Then mark me up for a DAB rx as well |
| 17:29.29 | pauly | hi i having conflict with Fcamera and power kernel any ideas? |
| 17:29.39 | Jaffa | pauly: Don't use one of them |
| 17:29.48 | alterego | Hahah |
| 17:29.57 | pauly | what do you mean? |
| 17:30.24 | alterego | pauly: he means uninstall one when you want to use the other. |
| 17:30.25 | MohammadAG | latest fcam-drivers and kernel-power should be compatible, if not, your device is some exception |
| 17:30.48 | pauly | they used to work together |
| 17:30.56 | pauly | but not anymore |
| 17:30.58 | MohammadAG | which revision is it? I've noticed fcam doesn't work on all kernels with 2104 revisions |
| 17:31.04 | MohammadAG | oh, idk then |
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| 17:31.41 | pauly | i just reflashed to 1.3 and installed kernel then fcamera from extras |
| 17:32.00 | pauly | fcam opens with grey screen |
| 17:32.33 | pauly | and nokia camera app crashes when opened |
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| 17:32.52 | tharvey | is maemo using qt/embedded or qt/x11? |
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| 17:32.56 | MohammadAG | cat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Revision |
| 17:33.00 | MohammadAG | qt/x11 |
| 17:33.43 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: "qt/x11"'s not the output, is it? |
| 17:33.47 | Jaffa | No. 'course not |
| 17:33.54 | pauly | im 2101 |
| 17:34.25 | MohammadAG | weird, no idea then |
| 17:34.38 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, (re is maemo using qt/embedded or qt/x11?) |
| 17:34.51 | pauly | me either |
| 17:35.20 | MohammadAG | works fine her |
| 17:35.22 | MohammadAG | here* |
| 17:35.33 | pauly | now i actived devel and updated kernel still not working |
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| 17:35.52 | MohammadAG | do an apt-get install fcam-drivers in terminal |
| 17:35.56 | pauly | and all of this is just after 1.3 reflash |
| 17:36.00 | pauly | ok |
| 17:36.49 | pauly | gotta install rootsh |
| 17:36.59 | MohammadAG | -s<string>Set RDS station name |
| 17:37.01 | MohammadAG | -t<string>Set RDS info text |
| 17:37.06 | MohammadAG | which should be song name? |
| 17:37.10 | MohammadAG | -t? |
| 17:37.25 | Gyjf | fcam can fcsk your cam up tho |
| 17:37.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Info text is typically not shown in a car's main UI |
| 17:37.50 | Gyjf | rendering it unuseable with the latest kernel |
| 17:37.52 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: AFAIK |
| 17:38.19 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: The European radio stations change their station name (but not their ID) to do things like scrolling text IIRC |
| 17:39.12 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'd assume so, but the N8 made me think otherwise |
| 17:39.18 | MohammadAG | it shows RDS info |
| 17:39.25 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Oh. |
| 17:39.54 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: If you want me to test later I can go out to my two cars. One of which has a large touchscreen RDS radio |
| 17:40.49 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'll add it into the mediaplayer in a bit, or I'll test it tomorrow ;) |
| 17:41.16 | Corsac | grmbl, media players seems to have forgotten half my music |
| 17:41.23 | Corsac | only have 2000 songs in media player now >< |
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| 17:41.59 | pauly | i just upgraded fcam drivers brb restart device |
| 17:42.28 | pauly | hopefully itll be fixed thnnaks |
| 17:43.36 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 18:17.46 | jhb | does somebody know how to play the .spx sound files (from mappero) from the cli? |
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| 18:31.12 | MohammadAG | alterego, ping |
| 18:32.40 | alterego | poing |
| 18:34.39 | piggz | jhb: probably if you install gstreamer-tools you will be able to use gst-launch |
| 18:35.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: ? |
| 18:35.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, telepathy can be used with Qt right? |
| 18:35.34 | alterego | Yes, it's dbus |
| 18:35.44 | MohammadAG | wonders if it's weird dbus |
| 18:35.53 | alterego | There's also a telepathy dbus wrapper project in gitorious I believe for MeeGo which is probably worth porting. |
| 18:36.04 | MohammadAG | need to add a contact online/offline notification |
| 18:36.15 | javispedro | and you can use the normal telepathy bindings from a Qt application, |
| 18:36.24 | javispedro | it's not like C and C++ are from different universes. |
| 18:36.40 | MohammadAG | C and C++ is messed up |
| 18:37.02 | MohammadAG | (mixing them together) |
| 18:37.39 | MohammadAG | oh interesting, http://telepathy.freedesktop.org/doc/telepathy-qt4/ |
| 18:37.51 | javispedro | well, save for some obscure stuff only stupid people like me know, C++ is a C superset. |
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| 18:39.41 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, that's what I was talking about |
| 18:40.02 | jhb | piggz: thanks, will try that |
| 18:40.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, btw, got a lot of contacts popping in/out? |
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| 18:40.35 | MohammadAG | I noticed something the other day, only status is shown via DBus, not contact name |
| 18:40.37 | alterego | Erm, sometimes. |
| 18:40.54 | MohammadAG | run dbus-monitor --session |
| 18:41.09 | MohammadAG | it'll show the contact's status/personal message along with presence changed |
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| 18:58.55 | pexi | http://i.imgur.com/wommg.jpg |
| 19:00.35 | chx | isnt that a bit old? |
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| 19:08.09 | nomike | hi |
| 19:09.41 | nomike | I have an N900 with recent updates and a few weeks ago the email applet disappeared from my desktop. It is not available for addition in the deskop menu, so I think maybe it is still there but not visible⦠|
| 19:11.55 | nomike | What I think I should try, is to find the configuration file where hildon-desktop stores the location of the desktop items and remove it from there so the modest widget could be added again (AFAIK widgets could only be added to the desktop once) |
| 19:12.06 | nomike | Do you have any Ideas on this? |
| 19:13.09 | ManoftheSea | nomike, do you mean the "at-sign button"? |
| 19:15.03 | nomike | ManoftheSea: No, I mean the big sized widget which showed me the first few emails of my configured accounts... |
| 19:18.39 | jacktheripper | INT_MMC translates to mmcblk1 here in multiboot :S |
| 19:18.46 | jacktheripper | I don't have a memcard inserted |
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| 19:24.33 | alterego | jacktheripper: that's correct, internal MMC is actually the internal flash |
| 19:24.39 | alterego | mmcblk0 is micro sd card. |
| 19:25.51 | jacktheripper | umm but it doesn't find it |
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| 19:29.15 | MohammadAG | internal eMMC is mmcblk1 in preboot, mmcblk0 postboot |
| 19:31.32 | jacktheripper | only if there's a micro sd card right ? |
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| 19:35.48 | alterego | No, internal (eMMC) is not the micro sd card. |
| 19:36.00 | jacktheripper | I know that. |
| 19:36.01 | alterego | If it has "internal" in front of it, it means it's the inbuilt memory. |
| 19:36.38 | jacktheripper | yes, my entry is INT_MMC, and I have NITDroid installed on the internal mmc on a seperate partition. |
| 19:36.55 | jacktheripper | I'm sure my entry is correct because it only stopped working after I removed the microsd card |
| 19:37.06 | jacktheripper | it didn't find mmcblk1p* anymore. |
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| 19:38.46 | MohammadAG | so ${INT_MMC}p4? |
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| 19:40.17 | alterego | implements a file selector |
| 19:40.38 | alterego | I know there's already one in that QMaemo5 support package, but I would prefer to have my own .. |
| 19:40.55 | jacktheripper | actually ${INT_CARD}p5 |
| 19:41.21 | jacktheripper | I have like 6 partitions I need to clean up. |
| 19:41.38 | alterego | woof |
| 19:41.48 | MohammadAG | has 7, beat that |
| 19:41.59 | MohammadAG | technically, 6, since one is the extended one |
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| 19:42.38 | woglinde | jo |
| 19:43.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, the built in one is crap :P |
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| 19:43.27 | jacktheripper | I could beat you in 5 minutes :p |
| 19:44.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: you mean the Qt wrapper for the hildon file dialog? |
| 19:44.08 | alterego | Or do you mean the hildon file dialog in general? |
| 19:44.09 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 19:44.15 | MohammadAG | the file dialog in general |
| 19:44.22 | alterego | Yeah, it is a bit. |
| 19:44.27 | MohammadAG | a bit? |
| 19:44.29 | alterego | Which I'm mimicking :P |
| 19:44.34 | MohammadAG | ls takes one second |
| 19:44.42 | MohammadAG | the hildon dialog takes ages to populate |
| 19:44.49 | alterego | Oh, strange. |
| 19:44.58 | alterego | I thought you were talking about the usability of it :D |
| 19:45.04 | MohammadAG | symbian scrolls faster |
| 19:45.12 | MohammadAG | it's clunky in terms of usability |
| 19:45.18 | MohammadAG | does the job but still... |
| 19:45.44 | MohammadAG | I would prefer something like filebox wrapped to return file name anytime |
| 19:46.03 | woglinde | hm rsvg-convert crashes qemu |
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| 20:02.32 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/scratch/Screenshot-20110114-200009.png |
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| 20:02.41 | alterego | Need to fix the icons, but not bad for 10 minutes :) |
| 20:04.06 | woglinde | someone offhand here knows wich qemu is used on the autobuilders? |
| 20:04.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, get rid of the 3rd row |
| 20:04.51 | MohammadAG | dislikes Coldplay you see :P |
| 20:04.56 | alterego | Hah |
| 20:05.47 | lcukn900 | coldplay are awesome |
| 20:06.44 | alterego | They're alright |
| 20:07.11 | alterego | I like quite a lot of Indie stuff as well as rock music |
| 20:07.31 | alterego | And some hard rock, I suppose Alice in Chains is metal. |
| 20:07.52 | MohammadAG | I like their song "Would?" |
| 20:08.04 | alterego | Yeah, that's on X&Y I believe. |
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| 20:08.37 | alterego | Now to add filters for ".iso", ".bin", ".img" |
| 20:08.45 | alterego | Oh, and ".raw" |
| 20:08.58 | alterego | tries to think of others. |
| 20:09.11 | alterego | The fun bit will be controling g_file_storage |
| 20:09.16 | alterego | In a nice way |
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| 20:10.47 | javispedro | you're not going to emulate a cd using g_file_storage. |
| 20:11.38 | javispedro | not with the n900 kernel version at least. |
| 20:14.36 | woglinde | javispedro any idea how I can solve the segfaulting of rsvg-convert? |
| 20:15.23 | javispedro | are you using qemu-arm-sb? |
| 20:15.25 | woglinde | http://pastebin.com/5sXg0RrS |
| 20:15.27 | Dhraakellian | would just like to drive-by-comment that Rockbox is just plain nifty |
| 20:15.27 | woglinde | yes |
| 20:15.52 | javispedro | hmpf |
| 20:17.17 | javispedro | only thing I can think of right now is pestering maintainer of package containit rsvg-convert to use lesser -march |
| 20:18.38 | javispedro | that, or do the hack the qt guys did and ship x86 binaries hidden in arm packages =) |
| 20:19.28 | javispedro | woglinde: have you google around and see if noone complained already? seems like rsvg is used |
| 20:20.03 | woglinde | hm maybee I will stick to my ship svg only method |
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| 20:20.55 | MohammadAG | <javispedro> that, or do the hack the qt guys did and ship x86 binaries hidden in arm packages =) <-- was that necessary? |
| 20:21.15 | MohammadAG | I thought it was stupid packaging :P |
| 20:21.46 | javispedro | well. stupid or not I'm not sure to tell, but intentional, sure. |
| 20:22.10 | woglinde | MohammadAG just try to rebuild qt |
| 20:22.16 | woglinde | and you will see |
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| 20:26.34 | woglinde | hm I could try inscape for conversion |
| 20:27.00 | woglinde | args stupid me |
| 20:28.34 | jacktheripper | well so what causes my strange problem ? |
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| 20:36.30 | Firzen | hello |
| 20:37.04 | Firzen | I have little problem with Maemo SDK installation... |
| 20:37.29 | Firzen | Could someone help me? |
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| 20:38.25 | Firzen | I found this instructions: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-debian.html |
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| 20:39.16 | Firzen | So I installed everything I need, but now I am unable to set development target.. |
| 20:39.17 | woglinde | whats the problem firzen? |
| 20:39.29 | woglinde | use the both scripts and you are done |
| 20:39.46 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 20:39.46 | infobot | rumour has it, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:39.47 | MohammadAG | ftww |
| 20:40.09 | Firzen | woglinde: scripts doesn't work for Debian squeeze |
| 20:40.15 | woglinde | only tricky is to setup sqeeuze as debian-devkit |
| 20:40.16 | woglinde | he |
| 20:40.24 | woglinde | you didnt say that |
| 20:40.45 | woglinde | you need to download the .14 version |
| 20:40.49 | woglinde | did it yesterday |
| 20:40.50 | Firzen | woglinde: If I enter "maemo-sdk install rootstrap" |
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| 20:41.11 | obcecado | hi guys |
| 20:41.12 | Firzen | woglinde: if returns |
| 20:41.13 | woglinde | the other needs newer scratchbox libs |
| 20:41.22 | obcecado | i had a really upsetting experience with maemo |
| 20:41.29 | Firzen | woglinde: beta releases: |
| 20:41.29 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | 10 ... fremantle5.0beta1_i386 For OS2009Beta1 (i386 SDK) 2009-04-28 (268.8M) |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | Final releases: |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.30 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.31 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.32 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.32 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.33 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:41.40 | woglinde | http://pastebin.com/pU9DV3kd |
| 20:41.44 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 20:41.44 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 20:41.57 | obcecado | it happens i use my n900 with lock code, and i was recieving a call, which was terminated due to lack of battery |
| 20:42.24 | obcecado | next time i powered up the phone, i coudlnt unlock it with the usual code |
| 20:42.24 | woglinde | obcecado? |
| 20:42.24 | obcecado | any hints ? |
| 20:42.25 | woglinde | break your sim |
| 20:42.29 | woglinde | and insert it again |
| 20:42.33 | woglinde | no sorry |
| 20:42.35 | woglinde | no idea |
| 20:42.35 | obcecado | its not simlock |
| 20:42.49 | obcecado | its the device lock code |
| 20:42.53 | woglinde | hm was that to hard for firzen? |
| 20:43.02 | woglinde | ah okay |
| 20:43.13 | woglinde | hm boot some other kernel and try to recover it |
| 20:43.26 | woglinde | or do factory reset |
| 20:43.47 | alterego | Oh, you're kidding .. |
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| 20:44.20 | obcecado | this is a serious problem |
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| 20:46.03 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: sorry :D |
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| 20:46.35 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: what I should do now with scratchbox libaries.. ? |
| 20:49.36 | woglinde | Firzen isnt theat sb2? |
| 20:49.39 | woglinde | args that |
| 20:50.29 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: yes it is |
| 20:50.48 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: I followed instructions completely |
| 20:51.01 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: but it just doesn't work |
| 20:51.18 | woglinde | dont know how to activate sqeeuze on sb2 |
| 20:51.20 | woglinde | use sb1 |
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| 20:51.49 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: months ago i tried sb1 ... |
| 20:52.26 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: and it REALLY SUCKS |
| 20:52.36 | woglinde | sb2 has some more errors with g++ stuff |
| 20:53.02 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: *sigh* so developing for maemo is just impossible i thing |
| 20:53.06 | Firzen|2 | *think |
| 20:53.10 | woglinde | hm no |
| 20:53.17 | woglinde | sb1 works okay for most stuff |
| 20:53.35 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: maybe for most, not for me :D |
| 20:53.39 | woglinde | and with sqeeuze you have debhelper7 support out of the box |
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| 20:54.36 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: out of box? even virtual image with 'preinstalled' SDK doesn't work |
| 20:54.56 | woglinde | hm? |
| 20:55.06 | woglinde | use the both script |
| 20:55.28 | woglinde | from the link maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:55.34 | woglinde | and you are done |
| 20:57.21 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: hmm this I tried too :D |
| 20:57.49 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: the problem is that GUI installer just doesn't work :D |
| 20:57.51 | Firzen|2 | really .-( |
| 20:58.19 | woglinde | hm convert seems to work |
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| 20:59.16 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: i will try it again |
| 21:00.07 | Firzen|2 | "Please add the following line to your /etc/apt/sources.list in scratchbox" |
| 21:00.24 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: but whitch sb i should use? |
| 21:00.35 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: my sb doesn't work :D |
| 21:01.59 | woglinde | what hostarch do you have? |
| 21:02.25 | woglinde | maybee http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 21:02.28 | woglinde | works? |
| 21:04.04 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: i386 |
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| 21:04.26 | woglinde | that should work |
| 21:04.31 | woglinde | and host-os |
| 21:04.59 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: Debian squeeze |
| 21:05.09 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: this link I tried too |
| 21:05.18 | woglinde | and whats not working? |
| 21:05.25 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: and with this i am absolutelly sure it doesn't work :D |
| 21:05.56 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: just .. nothing :-) |
| 21:06.15 | woglinde | ? |
| 21:06.20 | woglinde | sdk dont install? |
| 21:06.26 | woglinde | sb login? |
| 21:06.56 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: i can't set any target |
| 21:07.15 | woglinde | ? |
| 21:07.45 | woglinde | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.58 | Firzen|2 | 0 ... exit exit selection |
| 21:07.58 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.58 | Firzen|2 | beta releases: |
| 21:07.58 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.58 | Firzen|2 | 10 ... fremantle5.0beta1_i386 For OS2009Beta1 (i386 SDK) 2009-04-28 (268.8M) |
| 21:07.59 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:07.59 | Firzen|2 | Final releases: |
| 21:08.00 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.00 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.01 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.01 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.02 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.02 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.03 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:08.05 | woglinde | !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 21:08.10 | woglinde | ~pastebin again |
| 21:08.15 | woglinde | ~pastebin |
| 21:08.15 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 21:08.16 | Firzen|2 | sorry :D |
| 21:08.23 | woglinde | where are your irc manners |
| 21:08.31 | woglinde | thats from the script? |
| 21:08.38 | woglinde | I tought its sb1 based |
| 21:08.57 | Firzen|2 | http://pastebin.com/DxGbd4uc |
| 21:09.22 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: no that is one step from installation guide |
| 21:09.38 | woglinde | tha script installs sb1 |
| 21:09.39 | Firzen|2 | from here: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/install-debian.html |
| 21:09.57 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: maybe it should.. |
| 21:10.13 | woglinde | whats so hard on reading http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_on_x86-32_Debian_based_distribution ? |
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| 21:11.24 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: nothing :d but omg these manuals just doesn't work |
| 21:11.28 | woglinde | only trick is to setup devkit-squeeze |
| 21:11.32 | woglinde | what? |
| 21:11.37 | woglinde | the script works |
| 21:11.52 | woglinde | hundreds of people already did it |
| 21:12.05 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: :D ok i will test it again for you |
| 21:12.11 | woglinde | where is the script failing? |
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| 21:13.30 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: i will write it when it fail |
| 21:13.59 | woglinde | okay |
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| 21:14.12 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: now it is downloading scratchbox-core so it will take some time |
| 21:14.43 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: thanks I hope that .. something changed on this script and that it will work :D |
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| 21:33.49 | mikki-kun | sorry if my quits/joins are kind of annoying, my irssi on my n900 kind of isn't really doing what it should :/ |
| 21:36.54 | GAN900 | mikki-kun, screen. :P |
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| 21:39.00 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 21:39.32 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: hmm finally it failed :D |
| 21:39.39 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. |
| 21:39.39 | Firzen|2 | E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. |
| 21:39.55 | Firzen|2 | :D |
| 21:40.01 | mikki-kun | GAN900: what does it do me good in a screen? |
| 21:40.13 | mikki-kun | jacekowski: you around? :) |
| 21:40.55 | woglinde | ls -la /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
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| 21:42.31 | mikki-kun | i guess it just needs an chmod a+x /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
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| 21:42.58 | woglinde | I bet he has same more partitions |
| 21:43.03 | woglinde | and / is to small |
| 21:43.20 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: hope:/home/firzen# LANG=en_US ls -la /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
| 21:43.20 | Firzen|2 | ls: cannot access /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.28 | Firzen|2 | hope:/home/firzen# LANG=en_US ls -la /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
| 21:43.28 | Firzen|2 | ls: cannot access /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc: No such file or directory |
| 21:43.34 | woglinde | df -h |
| 21:44.13 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: 11GiB free |
| 21:44.39 | woglinde | on / |
| 21:44.52 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: yes, on / |
| 21:45.11 | mikki-kun | is there somewhere 0% spae free? |
| 21:45.21 | Firzen|2 | firzen@hope:~$ LANG=en_US df -h |
| 21:45.21 | Firzen|2 | Filesystem Size Used Avail Use% Mounted on |
| 21:45.21 | Firzen|2 | /dev/sde3 23G 11G 11G 51% / |
| 21:45.21 | Firzen|2 | tmpfs 505M 12K 505M 1% /lib/init/rw |
| 21:45.21 | Firzen|2 | udev 10M 252K 9.8M 3% /dev |
| 21:45.22 | Firzen|2 | tmpfs 505M 524K 505M 1% /dev/shm |
| 21:45.22 | Firzen|2 | /dev/sde1 197G 169G 18G 91% /home |
| 21:45.29 | Firzen|2 | mikki-kun: no :-) |
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| 21:46.03 | woglinde | can you pastebin the whole output from the script? |
| 21:46.23 | woglinde | and how you did call it? |
| 21:46.38 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: yes, but .. it is in Czech, i've forgotten LANG :-/ but i can try translate it.. |
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| 21:47.38 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: i just entered "sudo ./maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh -u $USER" as it is in manual |
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| 21:48.42 | woglinde | okay |
| 21:48.55 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: http://pastebin.com/Z1pBGYZm |
| 21:49.28 | jacktheripper | so apparently, here, INT_CARD always points to mmcblk1 and EXT_CARD always points to mmcblk0, regardless of what's actually existing :S |
| 21:49.59 | jacktheripper | I probably don't get this right, but what I know is I have to switch from INT_CARD to EXT_CARD when I remove my microsd |
| 21:50.29 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: experimantal translate.. http://pastebin.com/DikFWY3p |
| 21:51.49 | jacktheripper | and it's not a back cover problem, I always stick it in after replacing my microsd |
| 21:52.08 | woglinde | thats strange No users were chosen, so no users were added to Scratchbox. |
| 21:52.18 | woglinde | whats echo $USER saying? |
| 21:53.16 | Firzen|2 | firzen@hope:~$ echo $USER |
| 21:53.16 | Firzen|2 | firzen |
| 21:53.57 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: and sudo echo $USER returns firzen too |
| 21:55.33 | woglinde | could you translate line 161-166 |
| 21:55.36 | woglinde | thats import |
| 21:55.45 | woglinde | /scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc |
| 21:55.58 | woglinde | comes with scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc |
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| 22:00.58 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: sorry sure i can |
| 22:01.49 | woglinde | and if they didnt got installed |
| 22:02.05 | woglinde | for what ever reason the error later is explained |
| 22:02.18 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: creating tree of dependencies .. reading state informations .. scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already up to date (all packages on this lines are up to date) |
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| 22:02.29 | woglinde | ah okay |
| 22:02.39 | woglinde | try a clean install |
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| 22:03.06 | woglinde | read Un-installation |
| 22:03.11 | woglinde | on the same side |
| 22:03.20 | woglinde | and try again after doing the steps there |
| 22:03.34 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: for this reason.. |
| 22:03.37 | Firzen|2 | E: Scratchbox command '/scratchbox/compilers/bin/gcc' is not executable. |
| 22:03.37 | Firzen|2 | E: Something went wrong with the install. Sorry. |
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| 22:03.49 | woglinde | yes |
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| 22:04.04 | woglinde | it some thinks scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc is already installed |
| 22:04.08 | woglinde | +how |
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| 22:04.52 | woglinde | same for ratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 and scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 which contains the cross-compilers |
| 22:05.25 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: hmm and what you want to know abou these packages? |
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| 22:07.15 | woglinde | deinstall them |
| 22:07.20 | woglinde | read what I suggested |
| 22:07.25 | woglinde | its on the same page |
| 22:07.56 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: ok |
| 22:08.25 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: wow 1368MiB will be freed :D |
| 22:08.48 | mikki-kun | Firzen|2: once i did a cleanup of a windows-machine... that was 10GB... |
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| 22:37.35 | sivang2 | DocScrutinizer51: hello |
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| 22:43.56 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: omg installation of scratchbox was successful! |
| 22:44.05 | woglinde | lol |
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| 22:45.02 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: BUT.. :D |
| 22:45.08 | mikki-kun | hm, does here anybody know if the ipv6 utilized of the n900 is a "secure ip" which get's randomly generated? |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | You now have Scratchbox 1.0.14 'apophis' release installed. |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | Scratchbox cannot be run as user root. Instead, use your normal login |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | user account. Add additional scratchbox users and sandboxes by running |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | the installer again (outside scratchbox with root permissions): |
| 22:45.35 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.36 | Firzen|2 | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:45.56 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: I don't understand these instructions |
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| 22:46.44 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: so was installation successful or not? :D and what I should do? run it under root or not?? |
| 22:47.17 | perolsen | mikki-kun: You mean the "fe80" link-local address? |
| 22:47.59 | sid_on | are you root? you have to /scratchbox/login as user |
| 22:48.04 | mikki-kun | inet6 addr shown in ifconfig wlan0 |
| 22:48.06 | woglinde | firzen logout and in |
| 22:48.12 | woglinde | and use /scratchbox/login |
| 22:48.27 | woglinde | than you should be in the fremantle_arm target |
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| 22:48.40 | perolsen | mikki-kun: I guess the answer lies inside the linux kernel source code |
| 22:48.45 | Firzen|2 | woglinde: so I now have to relog? |
| 22:49.23 | mikki-kun | but no, doesn't seem so :( |
| 22:49.43 | perolsen | http://lxr.linux.no/#linux+v2.6.37/net/ipv6/addrconf.c |
| 22:49.56 | sid_on | Firzen|2: logout; login; so group changes takes affect |
| 22:50.19 | Firzen|2 | sid_on: ok |
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| 22:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: hi! |
| 22:53.21 | mikki-kun | perolsen: do you maybe have that in short? :) x) 4k lines is a bit huge |
| 22:53.24 | Firzen | ok, i am logged in scratchbox |
| 22:53.24 | perolsen | mikki-kun: CONFIG_IPV6_PRIVACY seems like the right option |
| 22:53.32 | perolsen | http://cateee.net/lkddb/web-lkddb/IPV6_PRIVACY.html |
| 22:53.43 | perolsen | echo 2 >/proc/sys/net/ipv6/conf/all/use_tempaddr |
| 22:53.44 | woglinde | firzen than you are done |
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| 22:53.57 | mikki-kun | LAWL XD i just ended by by randomly scrolling Ã.ö |
| 22:53.58 | woglinde | firzen if you dont need debhelper7 |
| 22:54.14 | mikki-kun | thanks perolsen :) |
| 22:54.34 | perolsen | 0 problemos |
| 22:54.59 | Firzen | woglinde: no I am not i think :D I don't know how to correctly set target in sb1 .. i executed sb-menu and now i am lost :D |
| 22:55.05 | mikki-kun | i think there was a way to add that to the starter scripts... |
| 22:55.33 | woglinde | firzen normaly you dont need sb-menu |
| 22:55.37 | mikki-kun | was it into rcS.d or rc6.d in etc? |
| 22:56.06 | sid_on | Firzen: did you install sdk? |
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| 22:56.12 | Firzen | sid_on: no |
| 22:56.24 | woglinde | sid_on he did |
| 22:56.53 | Firzen | no i just only installed sb1 |
| 22:57.07 | woglinde | firzen ah okay |
| 22:57.12 | woglinde | than run the other script |
| 22:58.23 | Firzen | woglinde: yy |
| 22:58.29 | Firzen | woglinde: and it is here :D |
| 22:58.54 | Firzen | .... |
| 22:58.54 | Firzen | ... |
| 22:58.54 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.54 | Firzen | Setting DISPLAY... |
| 22:58.54 | Firzen | Setting installation environment... |
| 22:58.55 | Firzen | Added debconf frontend setting in scratchbox. |
| 22:58.55 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.56 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:58.56 | Firzen | Error opening terminal: xterm. |
| 22:59.00 | woglinde | *sigh* |
| 22:59.19 | woglinde | read the wiki |
| 22:59.25 | woglinde | its mentioned there |
| 23:00.46 | Firzen | woglinde: wow thx it works |
| 23:01.01 | woglinde | o.O |
| 23:01.06 | Firzen | :D |
| 23:01.10 | woglinde | send me some czech beer |
| 23:01.35 | Firzen | woglinde: :D I should |
| 23:01.46 | hardaker | Ok, I give up. How do you put a screenshot into the extras package for something? |
| 23:02.05 | woglinde | hardaker what? |
| 23:02.20 | Firzen | woglinde: in our city we have own brewery |
| 23:02.31 | hardaker | well, when a package gets to extras it appears in the, um, extras downloads on the maemo web page. |
| 23:02.42 | hardaker | somewhere there is a way to set the "screenshot" part of it. |
| 23:02.45 | hardaker | but I don't know where. |
| 23:02.52 | woglinde | hardaker you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging#Maemo-specific_fields? |
| 23:02.54 | hardaker | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/lookup/ |
| 23:03.15 | woglinde | who is using that rather than the build in package manager? |
| 23:03.18 | hardaker | (not the icon) |
| 23:03.43 | hardaker | so no, the above web page only lists package fields for icons, etc. |
| 23:04.16 | hardaker | it doesn't list a screenshot (where the "?" picture is in the lookup example above) |
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| 23:11.48 | BluesLee | ping MohammadAG |
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| 23:31.52 | MohammadAG | BluesLee, pong |
| 23:32.24 | Firzen | woglinde: are you still here? :-) |
| 23:33.34 | woglinde | yes |
| 23:33.52 | Firzen | woglinde: :-) i have problem :D |
| 23:34.57 | Firzen | woglinde: I added deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79 nokia-binaries into /etc/apt/sources.list in sb1 |
| 23:35.16 | Firzen | and.. |
| 23:35.24 | Firzen | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get update |
| 23:35.25 | Firzen | E: Malformed line 5 in source list /etc/apt/sources.list (dist) |
| 23:35.25 | Firzen | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:35.56 | Firzen | woglinde: i don't see any mistake on my progress |
| 23:36.29 | MrBawb | yay, got bluetooth pan networking working. It sets up sharing the 3g connection automatically |
| 23:37.01 | Firzen | woglinde: here is my sources.list in sb: http://pastebin.com/EhbYsch0 |
| 23:37.11 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: hi there :) do you maybe have somewhere in your .debs a deb floating around which has the modified hildon desktop, indluding the taskswitcher-thingy? :) |
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| 23:37.38 | mikki-kun | i was looking at the files you had online bud couldn't see from the name which one was the correct one :/ |
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| 23:41.26 | MohammadAG | taskswitcher thingy? |
| 23:41.53 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 23:42.01 | MohammadAG | all mhds have it |
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| 23:45.30 | woglinde | Firzen dont post your binary token |
| 23:45.33 | woglinde | next time |
| 23:48.54 | ieatlint | yeah, otherwise people who don't have n900s can go steal the nokia proprietary firmware |
| 23:48.58 | ieatlint | which is a travesty |
| 23:49.31 | Firzen | woglinde: ok |
| 23:49.39 | Firzen | woglinde: and yes i installed SDK |
| 23:49.59 | alterego | And, though unlikely, it might be possible to find out your IMEI :P |
| 23:50.33 | SpeedEvil | And there are known exploits that given only the IMEI, can steal your soul. |
| 23:50.53 | ieatlint | yes, with your IMEI, we could hack into your mobile carrier and track you |
| 23:50.53 | alterego | Exactly. |
| 23:51.48 | ieatlint | i need to write an application that just runs this and sends me the number http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Get_IMSI |
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| 23:53.32 | sid_on | hmmm i think i am supid; can someone please look at this bash script |
| 23:53.35 | sid_on | http://pastebin.com/HKfq0e4Q |
| 23:54.05 | woglinde | sid_on while TRUE should work too |
| 23:54.37 | woglinde | sleep 1 s? |
| 23:54.40 | woglinde | sleep 1 |
| 23:54.46 | woglinde | you should use |
| 23:54.59 | sid_on | :-) ok; but i am to silly to write a "if" :-) |
| 23:55.28 | MrBawb | sid_on: line 9, "<" needs to be "-lt" |
| 23:55.44 | GAN900 | I love iOS's security. |
| 23:56.06 | GAN900 | Random password prompts with no indications as to what you're authorizing. |
| 23:56.15 | sid_on | MrBawb: same result |
| 23:56.40 | sid_on | MrBawb; no; ./loop.sh: line 9: [[0: command not found |
| 23:57.22 | MrBawb | if [ "$i" -lt "10" ] |
| 23:57.30 | MrBawb | mind the spaces |
| 23:58.29 | sid_on | MrBawb: big thanks |
