| 00:00.11 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/?p=26 mikki-kun |
| 00:00.38 | mikki-kun | ahhhh, i thought you meant it was already built in into pr 1.3 :) sorry for that :/ |
| 00:01.06 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 00:02.58 | mikki-kun | the n900 should consider itself lucky it has MohammadAG ^^ |
| 00:03.14 | yacc | Any way to make pnatd log the pseudo modem chat? |
| 00:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly if there are any movies in "portrait ratio" |
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| 00:04.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hey, meego does it :p |
| 00:04.50 | MohammadAG | and no, there aren't |
| 00:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: any way to quit pnatd without sending a kill ? |
| 00:05.16 | diabol | whuzza |
| 00:05.17 | yacc | DocScrutinizer? |
| 00:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: how do you quit pnatd? |
| 00:05.47 | mikki-kun | there are movies in portrait mode... they are called facetime by apple |
| 00:06.00 | RST38h | Mohammad: just rotating all widgets or what? =) |
| 00:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | B*U*R*P |
| 00:06.02 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Not at all I guess, why? |
| 00:06.25 | diabol | good idea to hack up and have some fun with meego on windows? |
| 00:06.28 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: because that proves pnatd is braindamaged |
| 00:07.07 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, you can close the tty I guess, that's how the "SMS send via pnatd" scripts seem to work? |
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| 00:07.12 | diabol | DosScrutinizer: send a sigterm instead of sigkill? :D |
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| 00:07.42 | MohammadAG | RST38h, rotate the widgets, keep the window normal |
| 00:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | kill -SIG??? may do |
| 00:08.07 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Anyway, compared to Android connectivity (well in this case it's Archos code, so don't blame Google, but WLAN in Android is rather primitive to be nice), pnatd looks like perfect stuff :) |
| 00:08.13 | RST38h | Mohammad: Are you modifying hildon-desktop by any chance? ;) |
| 00:08.25 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but how do I log the traffic going into pnatd? |
| 00:08.32 | MohammadAG | RST38h, no no lol |
| 00:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: wait til you try to use perfectly standard mandatory AT commands not supported by pnatd |
| 00:08.54 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Or actually, I'd like to have the full debugging log of the ppp LCP negotiation going on. |
| 00:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: (log traffic) is this so difficult? Write a wrapper |
| 00:09.22 | mikki-kun | RST38h: he is secretly working on it, he ust can't cope with that much fame ;) ^^ |
| 00:09.49 | RST38h | Mohammad: seriously though, if you just want screen orientation, query the accelerometer |
| 00:09.52 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: yeah, wait till you have to try out WLAN APs till you find some that are good and work with Archos, while an iPhone, the N900 and a couple of laptops have no issues with these, ... |
| 00:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | frooodledoodle | tee mylog | pnatd |
| 00:11.10 | MohammadAG | RST38h, there should be a Qt way |
| 00:11.29 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: actually the equivalent of the pppd log for the LCP negotiation would be more useful, byte-analyzing pppd traffic does not sound THAT sexy. (Gosh, I'm getting old, a decade past I'd be happy to do some byte level hacking), .... |
| 00:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, it's AT |
| 00:12.21 | RST38h | Mohammad: Qt way would be via QtMobility |
| 00:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | plain text |
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| 00:13.32 | DocScrutinizer | pppd traffic is payload |
| 00:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | ROOAAAR, there's a * |
| 00:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | beer* |
| 00:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | PLOP said the cap |
| 00:16.51 | DocScrutinizer | dude! battry went flat after some 7h :-( |
| 00:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | and just 3 of them on GPRS, rest WLAN |
| 00:17.37 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yeah, looking for the class I need |
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| 00:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | who thinks it's a poor concept when Nokia decides to have elementary system protection functions - like thermal control and shutdown - in a closed source userland daemon rather than in kernel where it belongs? |
| 00:22.16 | RST38h | QSensors? |
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| 00:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | the only system architecture where such an approach would be faintly bearable is if the device hardare would deal with forced shutdown unrelated to any software running |
| 00:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: bme |
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| 00:24.08 | yacc | takes the advanced course on soft-bricking his N900 |
| 00:24.32 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: payload? As in it's only forwarded to the mobile network and not interpreted in any way on the N900? |
| 00:24.34 | DocScrutinizer | soft-bricks? sounds like kindergarden |
| 00:24.52 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: no sounds like installing Debian Sid debs ;) |
| 00:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | as in pnatd doesn't interpret any of it |
| 00:25.45 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: What interprets it? |
| 00:25.48 | diabol | still better than closed source kernel modules imo |
| 00:25.56 | DocScrutinizer | dunno - maybe pppd |
| 00:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | diabol: heh, but they were not allowed to use closed kernel modules :-P That's why they did it this way |
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| 00:26.54 | diabol | good thing |
| 00:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not really |
| 00:27.26 | diabol | well, scrap and rewrite. i mean how hard can it be (famous last words xD) |
| 00:27.32 | DocScrutinizer | it's closed either way. But for the kernel modules you could at least rely on it |
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| 00:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, really famous last words. |
| 00:28.13 | MohammadAG | mainwindow.h:23: error: ISO C++ forbids declaration of 'QSensor' with no type |
| 00:28.17 | MohammadAG | ffs what does it mean? |
| 00:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | bme is a monster, and nothing even of the interfaces is documented |
| 00:28.39 | diabol | sooo, i'm about to set up a dualboot to meego on my n900, any advice? |
| 00:28.50 | MohammadAG | yeah, are you a dev? :P |
| 00:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, check out meego.com |
| 00:29.04 | diabol | check and check |
| 00:29.19 | DocScrutinizer | or whatever might be the name |
| 00:29.19 | diabol | saw the scary charging bug and the uboot stuff |
| 00:29.28 | MohammadAG | then you're good to go |
| 00:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | charging bug? LOL |
| 00:29.32 | MohammadAG | you can't complain how it sucks |
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| 00:29.33 | yacc | sigh, strace from sid just installed without any need for forces, I'm feeling sick, ... |
| 00:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | there's charging in meego for N900? |
| 00:29.42 | MohammadAG | cause you're a dev :p |
| 00:29.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes |
| 00:30.00 | diabol | DocScrutinizer: apparently using a usb-cable to computer :D |
| 00:30.03 | DocScrutinizer | bwahaHAHAHAHA |
| 00:30.04 | MohammadAG | it's actually quite good |
| 00:30.07 | diabol | after long struggles |
| 00:30.12 | MohammadAG | I use it as a hand warmer sometimes |
| 00:30.20 | diabol | lol |
| 00:30.20 | MohammadAG | (btw, it uses bme) |
| 00:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 00:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, got that |
| 00:30.47 | diabol | MohammadAG: ok, so can it actually use the wall charger? |
| 00:30.51 | MohammadAG | and with no mce to shut off the display, which is running at max brightness |
| 00:30.54 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: no pppd binary on the N900 :( |
| 00:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | and also expected it would be buggy and ever will be |
| 00:30.58 | MohammadAG | yep, pretty good hand warmer |
| 00:31.02 | MohammadAG | diabol, it does, sometimes |
| 00:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: sorry I have nfc what you try to do |
| 00:31.16 | diabol | great |
| 00:31.49 | MohammadAG | MeeGo really needs devs right now |
| 00:31.56 | MohammadAG | sadly, it's repelling them, in some ways |
| 00:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 00:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 00:32.24 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, I'm trying to debug why my Archos cannot DUN tether to the N900. The pppd debugging level on the Archos side is not that great, hence the idea to capture the debugging log of the LCP negotiation on the N900, ... |
| 00:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | "WAIT! come with patches when we're done! and: IS IT UPSTREAM??" |
| 00:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | "docs? what docs? we do it the standard way, just tweaked to match the usecase" |
| 00:34.18 | diabol | why exactly did the "alternative os" projects like mir die anyways? |
| 00:34.39 | diabol | devs getting real life? |
| 00:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | mer* |
| 00:34.57 | diabol | aye |
| 00:34.57 | alterego | MeeGo came |
| 00:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | devs like stskeeps (mer) are actively developing meego now |
| 00:35.21 | alterego | That and they realised it wasn't as easy as they thought it might. |
| 00:35.27 | diabol | but meego doesnt seem nice from what ive seen so far (which is not a lot :D) |
| 00:35.45 | RST38h | diabol:and what have we seen so far? |
| 00:36.04 | diabol | some random screenshots of preview versions xD |
| 00:36.11 | diabol | and the wall charger bug |
| 00:36.24 | MohammadAG | diabol, screenshots always look nice :p |
| 00:36.30 | RST38h | Oh, I see we have seen different things... |
| 00:36.33 | diabol | those didnt :D |
| 00:36.35 | MohammadAG | photoshopped ones look awesome |
| 00:36.39 | diabol | xD |
| 00:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | maemo has years and years of community support doing the devels' duty of documenting how to deal with the shit. Meego otoh is completely missing such docs |
| 00:37.23 | diabol | are there still any active maemo devs anyways or is it really dead? |
| 00:37.43 | alterego | diabol: look at the forum and tell us if you think it's dev. |
| 00:37.53 | MohammadAG | there are a few |
| 00:37.54 | alterego | I think there's still just as much activity as there was a year ago tbh .. |
| 00:37.58 | RST38h | it is dead |
| 00:38.02 | RST38h | nothing to see here |
| 00:38.06 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:38.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, it kinda got more active in september |
| 00:38.19 | MohammadAG | which is weird |
| 00:38.26 | MohammadAG | then it went down again |
| 00:38.30 | alterego | Weird? PR1.3 weird? :P |
| 00:38.40 | alterego | I was waiting for 4.7 :D |
| 00:38.48 | DocScrutinizer | WTF!? at least 20% of users in this chan are devels |
| 00:38.51 | RST38h | pr4.7? weird. |
| 00:38.55 | alterego | Now I'm waiting for 4.8 :( |
| 00:39.06 | diabol | i rather dont look at the maemo.org forums, they are uhg, hard on the eyes |
| 00:39.08 | RST38h | Doc: But does he need to know that? =) |
| 00:39.48 | diabol | and probably 90% of those are idlers :P |
| 00:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ok, no he doesn't |
| 00:42.19 | diabol | sooo on my checklist to hacking up and prettifying my n900 i've got no 1 pinned down: find out where the devs hang out (check) |
| 00:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: and goddamn fix your irc-client - it for sure supports tab-nickcompletion |
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| 00:42.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas why this errors out if(sensor->reading() = QOrientationReading::TopUp) ? |
| 00:43.13 | alterego | What error? |
| 00:43.21 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Or tell it to colon complete. |
| 00:43.29 | MohammadAG | mainwindow.cpp:22: error: lvalue required as left operand of assignment |
| 00:43.38 | yacc | When we are at it, is there a way to query the expected upstream bandwidth of the current GSM/UMTS connection? |
| 00:43.42 | diabol | MohammadAG: sensor->reading() == QOrientation... |
| 00:43.53 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:43.58 | alterego | diabol: saw it :P |
| 00:43.58 | MohammadAG | that errors out too :P |
| 00:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: tab was a placeholder for a concept |
| 00:44.05 | diabol | lol |
| 00:44.10 | MohammadAG | mainwindow.cpp:22: error: conversion from 'QtMobility::QOrientationReading*' to 'QChar' is ambiguous |
| 00:44.14 | MohammadAG | I had it that way at first |
| 00:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: colon-complete is a nice idea actually |
| 00:44.26 | diabol | you surely dont want it to be an assignment |
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| 00:44.33 | alterego | Never used the sensor api, hang on |
| 00:44.53 | diabol | alterego: find a way to cast it ! |
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| 00:45.03 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1-tp/qorientationreading.html |
| 00:45.07 | diabol | plays the batman melody |
| 00:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: nope |
| 00:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | cenceptually not |
| 00:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | con* |
| 00:45.32 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, does the path |
| 00:45.39 | yacc | does the path buffer packages? |
| 00:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | sorry? |
| 00:46.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: use if(sensor->orientation == QOrientationReading::TopUp) |
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| 00:46.36 | diabol | damn |
| 00:46.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, I did that, it doesn't work |
| 00:46.48 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 00:46.50 | MohammadAG | orientation |
| 00:46.51 | alterego | sensor->orientation() .. |
| 00:46.52 | MohammadAG | facepalms |
| 00:46.54 | diabol | you mean orientation() |
| 00:46.56 | diabol | DAMN |
| 00:47.27 | MohammadAG | mainwindow.cpp:22: error: 'class QtMobility::QOrientationSensor' has no member named 'orientation' |
| 00:47.29 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:47.29 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: well, basically, does the upstream path buffer packages, or does it drop packages quickly? |
| 00:47.43 | alterego | O_o |
| 00:47.50 | alterego | What version of mobility are you using? |
| 00:48.01 | alterego | Baring in mind we have 1.0.1 on the N900 .. |
| 00:48.01 | MohammadAG | sensor->reading()->orientation() |
| 00:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: I'm not sure about that, but I think it shouldn't drop packages easily |
| 00:48.07 | diabol | the class is called QOrientationReading |
| 00:48.09 | alterego | Yeah, that then :P |
| 00:48.12 | diabol | not QOrientationSensro |
| 00:48.14 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: I've just discovered how much nicer my cable modem works if I suppress it's buffer, ... |
| 00:48.17 | diabol | bam |
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| 00:48.39 | alterego | Like I said, I've not touched the sensor APIs :P |
| 00:48.42 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Actually, the reverse is true, TCP relies on quick package drops to gauge the available bandwidth. |
| 00:48.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, tbh, I thought you helped noobmonk3y |
| 00:48.55 | alterego | continues his meandering through GLES2 |
| 00:48.57 | nox- | ooh you mean packets .) |
| 00:48.58 | MohammadAG | his source code shows m_sensor |
| 00:49.03 | MohammadAG | that's how you name objects |
| 00:49.09 | nox- | yacc, |
| 00:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: tbh I'm not sure I know what you're talking about |
| 00:49.33 | alterego | MohammadAG: that's sort of standard c++ practise :) |
| 00:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: trying to fit in pnatd and GPRS |
| 00:49.52 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 00:50.00 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, s/packages/packets/ |
| 00:50.01 | MohammadAG | alterego, tbh, I think their QSensor API is shit |
| 00:50.11 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: that's not my main problem |
| 00:50.23 | diabol | i wish somebody would take the best of c# and put it into c++ *sigh* |
| 00:50.25 | MohammadAG | 10% CPU usage, the whole mediaplayer doesn't use that |
| 00:50.27 | nox- | heh |
| 00:50.34 | alterego | Why's it shit? |
| 00:50.42 | alterego | Oh, right. |
| 00:50.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, 10% cpu usage |
| 00:50.44 | alterego | Interesting. |
| 00:50.50 | MohammadAG | and it's not the first time |
| 00:51.01 | alterego | I just presumed it listened for dbus signals .. |
| 00:51.03 | MohammadAG | when Venemo patched in QSensors into mediabar, it showed the same |
| 00:51.09 | MohammadAG | and that's why I didn't release that |
| 00:51.45 | alterego | :) |
| 00:51.54 | diabol | hmm |
| 00:51.59 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: a little buffer suppression in the cable modem via QoS and I can interactively work via ssh, while bittorrent is hitting the connection at maximum. (It's another topic, not related to pnatd ;) it's about latency, which is bad with mobiles anyway at best). |
| 00:52.50 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: sorry but I never seen a buffer in my DSL modem, not to mention how to suppress it. Maybe you're talking to a noob |
| 00:53.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, so should I just dump Qt Mobility? |
| 00:53.33 | diabol | MohammadAG: any way to set polling rates in qt mobility? |
| 00:53.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: No, just don't use the sensor API :P |
| 00:53.43 | MohammadAG | yes, setDataRate(int) |
| 00:53.58 | MohammadAG | int is in Hz apparently |
| 00:54.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: also, what freq is your N900 running at with that 10% |
| 00:54.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, stock |
| 00:54.13 | alterego | MohammadAG: what did you set it to? |
| 00:54.21 | MohammadAG | I didn't, it's default (0) |
| 00:54.33 | alterego | Hrm, set it to 1 |
| 00:54.37 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: well almost any cable modem has a buffer. This buffer is actually what is mostly guilty of causing stalled downloads while you max out the upload, because the normal TCP/IP stack relies on timely packet drops. |
| 00:54.40 | MohammadAG | tried that, same :P |
| 00:54.43 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:55.02 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, that's why it makes sense to limit the upstream going to the cable modem at say 99% of the official upstream, ... |
| 00:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm. I never heard of that |
| 00:55.19 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:55.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, setDataRate: rate 1 is not supported by the sensor. |
| 00:55.24 | diabol | also i'd like to test something out regarding polling: if the last change was big, then poll more frequently, if it wasnt poll less frequently |
| 00:55.28 | diabol | lol |
| 00:55.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: I mean what frequency is the CPU running at when it's running that test. Not whether you're oc'ing |
| 00:55.29 | MohammadAG | just noticed that |
| 00:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | I thought limiting upstream to something below max bandwidth was for geting through ACKs |
| 00:55.58 | alterego | 10% isn't bad if it's at it's slowest tbh |
| 00:56.03 | SpeedEvil | yacc: That's only partially true. |
| 00:56.10 | orangey | doh! my n900 overheated and died! |
| 00:56.11 | MohammadAG | alterego, 500MHz |
| 00:56.16 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, this way, packets are not queued in the cable modem, instead they are queued in your router. |
| 00:56.18 | yacc | SpeedEvil, ? |
| 00:56.20 | SpeedEvil | yacc: If you have multiple contended streams, they only play nicely together if the RTT are comparable. |
| 00:56.25 | alterego | orangey: ? |
| 00:56.26 | orangey | ah, just joking : ) It's been FINALLY working properly |
| 00:56.28 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, http://www.faqs.org/docs/Linux-HOWTO/ADSL-Bandwidth-Management-HOWTO.html |
| 00:56.43 | orangey | alterego: bad follow-up to earlier in the day |
| 00:57.11 | orangey | alterego: to fix my SIP audio, I finally am fixing the CPU speed to 600 (it was 850 earlier), and was warned against |
| 00:57.13 | alterego | orangey: why are you telling me? :P |
| 00:57.15 | SpeedEvil | yacc: If the RTT of a high bandwidth demanding stream is lower than the rest of the traffic, then it can swamp the whole connection. The other connections go to exponential backoff |
| 00:57.21 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: I'm aware of my router's bw-mgmt, and I think I know how it works. I think we are using incompatible namespace |
| 00:57.33 | orangey | alterego: DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG were doing the warning. it was a bad joke directed at them |
| 00:57.54 | MohammadAG | orangey, I really don't care :p |
| 00:58.07 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, yeah, bandwidth management becomes a little bit easier if you know the total bandwidth available, ... |
| 00:58.13 | orangey | alterego: you're collateral damage. I send a heart-felt apology. |
| 00:58.26 | alterego | orangey: ;) |
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| 00:58.45 | alterego | orangey: it's okay, I thought you were telling me one of my apps bricked your device :D |
| 00:58.57 | orangey | alterego: i'm sorry for the angst |
| 00:59.22 | diabol | MohammedAG: wheres the docs for setdatarate? |
| 00:59.36 | orangey | alterego: one thing is that this puppy kills battery while talking now |
| 00:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: thanks for taking over. Your statement is more like my namespace |
| 01:00.02 | yacc | SpeedEvil, yep, sounds very logic. I did not say that managing the upstream bandwidth carefully is a cure-all, but it's usually feelable better at latency/bandwidth quality then without such management, ... |
| 01:01.31 | MohammadAG | diabol, I'm more interested in http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1-tp/qsensor.html#availableDataRates-prop |
| 01:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking more in terms like MTR & QoS/TOS and buckets. And I have NFC where in my modem there's a buffer that can be surpressed |
| 01:01.46 | MohammadAG | diabol, though I have no idea how to process a "QRangleList" |
| 01:01.48 | yacc | SpeedEvil, if you want to prevent that monopolization you need some QoS outgress queuing, which is again easier (although I think not absolutely necessary) if you know the total bandwidth available. |
| 01:02.10 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 01:02.23 | orangey | DocScrutinizer: That was an awesome paragraph. |
| 01:02.24 | SpeedEvil | In principle, you can monitor the total number of missing packets |
| 01:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | orangey: ??? o.O |
| 01:02.54 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: you suppress the buffer by sending slightly less than what the upstream can manage, this way the cable modem never has the need to queue anything. |
| 01:03.14 | orangey | DocScrutinizer: not really knowing much about the field, it sounds impressive.. I feel like I could easily pick up women with that line |
| 01:03.23 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, yeah I know that trick :-D |
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| 01:03.48 | diabol | MohammadAG: working through the docs |
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| 01:04.46 | yacc | Abyway, if I got that right, the ppp endpoint doing the negotiations is actually on the mobile network side, and not inside the N900 (no pppd binary on the thing, and pnatd never ever fork/execs anything, while doing some monkey business with sockets that strace cannot translate the PF value of ;) ) |
| 01:04.51 | yacc | Anyway. |
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| 01:05.08 | diabol | MohammadAG: http://qt.gitorious.org/qt-mobility/qt-mobility/blobs/bf5ba42378dcf07038bdd99e24be29ec0aec8091/src/sensors/qsensor.h |
| 01:05.25 | diabol | its typedefined as a QList<qrange> |
| 01:05.41 | diabol | whereas qrange is a QPair<int, int> |
| 01:05.44 | diabol | yay |
| 01:05.50 | MohammadAG | hmm, so foreach would work? |
| 01:06.06 | diabol | probably |
| 01:06.07 | dotblank | Honest opinion please, how good is qt mobility? |
| 01:06.17 | MohammadAG | doesn't seem too good |
| 01:06.18 | dotblank | is it worth rewriting stuff for it? |
| 01:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: my modem though has a bw-mgmt that priorizes packets based on arbitrray SPI rules, sets TOS and assigns buckets of BW to the packets. I easily have SIP working great while downloading AND uploading jiggabytes of shit |
| 01:06.53 | dotblank | 1.21 jigawats? |
| 01:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | yoh exactly |
| 01:07.04 | diabol | gawd, how about just making gtk and qt work nicely? |
| 01:07.08 | jacekowski | i already downloaded 160G this month |
| 01:07.09 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: well, my modem is not my property, and managed by callcenter monkeys. |
| 01:07.11 | jacekowski | and i'm not sure how |
| 01:07.28 | dotblank | diabol, O think you can.. I don't see what would be too hard about it |
| 01:08.17 | yacc | jacekowski, as long you don't use TB as the unit, ... |
| 01:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | buuurrp |
| 01:09.20 | jacekowski | i almost filled up my 2T hdd |
| 01:09.36 | jacekowski | and i had it for less than year |
| 01:09.46 | jacekowski | /dev/md2 1.9T 1.5T 361G 81% /shares/Data |
| 01:10.09 | yacc | I just had a sick idea, write a small program that answers to AT commands with OK, and at ATD forks into pppd on the n900, then you can have a fake Bluetooth DUN that is terminated inside the N900, and uses iptables NAT to share the connection, *scratch-head* |
| 01:10.32 | jacekowski | what's the point |
| 01:10.54 | jacekowski | btw. do you know that is how it's done |
| 01:10.55 | ds3 | yacc: slirp, it does basically that and it works great. |
| 01:11.05 | BCMM | why can't i seem to make standard output from a Qt program running on my n900? the exact same code, built for my desktop, works |
| 01:11.06 | jacekowski | yacc: rapuyama does exactly that |
| 01:11.08 | jacekowski | yacc: almost |
| 01:11.14 | BCMM | using std::cout << "foo" << std::endl; |
| 01:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: funny idea, I'll think about it |
| 01:11.49 | BCMM | also built using the same sequence of commands, in scratchbox and in a normal environment |
| 01:12.01 | BCMM | there is simply no standard output from the Maemo version |
| 01:12.09 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: I cannot easily fix the pppd options that the stupid Archos uses, and I cannot fix the other endpoint if my network is providing that, ... |
| 01:12.13 | diabol | BCMM: did you try redirecting stdout to a file on the n900? |
| 01:12.25 | diabol | maybe its the terminal or busybox or something |
| 01:12.48 | BCMM | diabol: i have tried it now... nothing. |
| 01:13.08 | diabol | uhh |
| 01:13.21 | BCMM | (actually, ssh and bash in this case) |
| 01:13.50 | DocScrutinizer | <BCMM> there is simply no standard output from the Maemo version --> yep that's the point - nah nfc, j/k |
| 01:13.50 | MohammadAG | heh diabol |
| 01:13.53 | MohammadAG | it didn't work :P |
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| 01:13.57 | diabol | no clue, maybe qt eats it D: |
| 01:14.03 | diabol | MohammadAG: what? :D |
| 01:14.09 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: sorry, i don't understand |
| 01:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind, I'm getting silly |
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| 01:14.29 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/tSBMFZtu diabol tried this, and meh :p |
| 01:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | just thought maybe there *is* no std output |
| 01:15.29 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: it does seem like that, but i'm not sure how that could be the case |
| 01:15.40 | MohammadAG | err what the... |
| 01:15.41 | MohammadAG | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/qt-mobility-1.1.0] > cd plugins/sensors/ |
| 01:15.42 | MohammadAG | dummy/ maemo6/ s60_sensor_api/ simulator/ |
| 01:15.42 | MohammadAG | generic/ n900/ sensors.pro symbian/ |
| 01:15.46 | MohammadAG | maemo6? lol |
| 01:16.02 | BCMM | i'm a c++ noob, but it shouldn't be possible for Qt to override std::cout, right? |
| 01:16.14 | diabol | BCMM: does qt have its own debug output streams? |
| 01:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: lsof is your friend |
| 01:16.22 | MohammadAG | qDebug() |
| 01:16.24 | diabol | wrong :D |
| 01:16.33 | BCMM | diabol: i was going to look in to using that instead |
| 01:16.34 | diabol | exactly, try using that |
| 01:16.47 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: to see if it's opening stdout? |
| 01:16.48 | diabol | MohammadAG: what does the code say? |
| 01:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:17.13 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 01:17.18 | MohammadAG | Qt mobility is just polling the file |
| 01:17.18 | BCMM | thing is, i can't see how it can possibly not work, unless maemo has a weird version of iostream |
| 01:17.31 | MohammadAG | char const * const n900accelerometer::filename("/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord"); |
| 01:17.38 | diabol | LOL |
| 01:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: btw override stdout is simple, even in shellscripts: exec >foobar |
| 01:17.50 | diabol | MohammadAG: you're better off doing that yourself then |
| 01:17.56 | MohammadAG | it doesn't even use QString or QFile |
| 01:18.17 | MohammadAG | it uses fopen() |
| 01:18.21 | diabol | lol |
| 01:18.43 | MohammadAG | oh well that explains why setting rate doesn't work |
| 01:18.44 | MohammadAG | cat: /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/rate: No such file or directory |
| 01:18.46 | diabol | somebody was going for a "hey dude, check out what i got working" there |
| 01:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: QTmob is as brainfucked wrt accel-sensors as is meego |
| 01:19.09 | MohammadAG | oh wait |
| 01:19.18 | MohammadAG | why did I do that cat in scratchbox... |
| 01:19.34 | MohammadAG | my fault, sowwy :P |
| 01:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you MUST NOT poll the g-meter, there's IRQs for that, and kevents |
| 01:19.37 | diabol | whats scratchbox anyways? |
| 01:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 01:19.42 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 01:19.44 | MohammadAG | the SDK |
| 01:20.00 | diabol | ic |
| 01:20.09 | MohammadAG | void n900accelerometer::poll() |
| 01:20.10 | MohammadAG | { |
| 01:20.10 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.10 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.10 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:20.31 | SpeedEvil | Polling can be not so bad. |
| 01:20.38 | SpeedEvil | If you do it at a sane rate |
| 01:20.39 | diabol | DAMN |
| 01:20.44 | diabol | somebody had my idea first |
| 01:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | exactly, but there's much worse shit |
| 01:20.56 | BCMM | right. i'm sleeping before i do anything else to this. |
| 01:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | ...in meego |
| 01:20.59 | ptl | what if every little program does polling at a sane rate? |
| 01:21.05 | ptl | too much sane and you get insane |
| 01:21.06 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 01:21.07 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.09 | SpeedEvil | ptl: yeah - tehre is that |
| 01:21.14 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: lol. |
| 01:21.14 | MohammadAG | only 100MHz supported |
| 01:21.17 | BCMM | i think i've been uploading an old version of the program by overzelous ctrl-r'ing |
| 01:21.23 | MohammadAG | Hz* |
| 01:21.24 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: polling *IS* B_A_D |
| 01:21.47 | diabol | ok |
| 01:21.48 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: yes - it's bad - if done at a sane rate it may not meaningfully affect battery life. |
| 01:21.54 | diabol | whos with me on making a kernel module? |
| 01:21.55 | BCMM | well, that was really, really stupid |
| 01:21.59 | SpeedEvil | For example - if when the screen is on. |
| 01:22.00 | MohammadAG | oh well, custom class to listen to mce |
| 01:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: It does |
| 01:22.14 | diabol | or not ._. |
| 01:22.16 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: at 2Hz? |
| 01:22.21 | BCMM | in my defense, it's scratchboxes's fault for making me confused about which directory i'm in. |
| 01:22.25 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: with the screen on? |
| 01:22.28 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that's not the problem |
| 01:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | even then you got CPU resumes @ 2Hz |
| 01:22.41 | MohammadAG | problem is, something as light as a simple label being updated should NOT take 9% CPU |
| 01:22.45 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's utterly not an issue witht eh screen on. |
| 01:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | well with screen on it's negligable |
| 01:23.17 | MohammadAG | I appreciate it that Qt mobility wouldn't keep my CPU @ 500MHz |
| 01:23.22 | DocScrutinizer | but the concept is brainfucked, no matter what |
| 01:23.26 | MohammadAG | I'd* |
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| 01:23.56 | DocScrutinizer | the LIS302 has hardware to deal with that |
| 01:23.58 | diabol | ok, either scrap qt mobility or patch it |
| 01:24.02 | MohammadAG | this is taking up 7-17% http://i53.tinypic.com/34q3hu0.jpg |
| 01:24.20 | diabol | lol |
| 01:24.26 | MohammadAG | pokes alterego to see that ^ |
| 01:24.27 | diabol | with the sensor stuff running? |
| 01:24.32 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 01:24.41 | MohammadAG | does a custom class |
| 01:24.53 | diabol | are you doing this stuff on maemo? <3 |
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| 01:25.03 | diabol | and you've got a text, dude |
| 01:25.04 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 01:25.09 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:25.16 | MohammadAG | email :p |
| 01:25.22 | diabol | :D |
| 01:25.30 | MohammadAG | you noticed that, but not the time? :P |
| 01:25.33 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK, use kevents and let do LIS302 the job for you! just read /sys when there's new stuff to cope with |
| 01:25.41 | diabol | gmt+2? |
| 01:25.46 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 01:25.52 | diabol | from? |
| 01:25.59 | MohammadAG | PS/IL |
| 01:26.01 | MohammadAG | indifferent |
| 01:26.07 | diabol | k |
| 01:26.09 | diabol | <-- ger |
| 01:26.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer's from there too :p |
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| 01:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | no way |
| 01:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | I'm from Atlantis |
| 01:26.56 | diabol | xD |
| 01:26.56 | MohammadAG | lies, you're from bermuda |
| 01:27.06 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:27.27 | MohammadAG | dotblank, does your qmaemo5rotator class send a signal for each orientation? |
| 01:27.52 | dotblank | hmm.. let me check.. I think it does.. |
| 01:27.58 | dotblank | and its not my class |
| 01:28.10 | diabol | wait, why exactly are you guys working on rotationstuff? :D |
| 01:28.32 | MohammadAG | it's for an app |
| 01:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you don't want 20 apps polling the g-meter sysfs-nodes to check if there's rotation needed. Each of them 2 times a second (and I dare to rant 2Hz is way too slow for a responsive UI) |
| 01:28.58 | MohammadAG | dotblank, even top down/up right up/down? |
| 01:29.03 | diabol | do you know whether gtk in maemo currently supports rotation at all? |
| 01:29.06 | MohammadAG | as in, ones not supported by hildon desktop |
| 01:29.15 | dotblank | MohammadAG, its sends " void orientationChanged(Orientation orientation);" |
| 01:29.18 | MohammadAG | diabol, this is Qt, and hildon-desktop supports rotation |
| 01:29.43 | MohammadAG | plus I'm only rotating widgets inside a window, so why bother :P |
| 01:29.45 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:30.01 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 01:30.09 | diabol | because i wanna make stuff like pidgin get off its lazy ass and rotate nicely :P |
| 01:30.45 | dotblank | I think to get the up/down/left/right you would need sensor info |
| 01:31.11 | MohammadAG | dotblank, dbus signals exist for all of them |
| 01:31.15 | diabol | having it use the default modes would be good enough for now |
| 01:31.41 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.42 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | for g-meter it needs an API (preferably via dbus) very very much identical to liblocation functionality |
| 01:32.02 | MohammadAG | signal sender=:1.12 -> dest=(null destination) serial=792 path=/com/nokia/mce/signal; interface=com.nokia.mce.signal; member=sig_device_orientation_ind |
| 01:32.09 | dotblank | MohammadAG, but you can't rotate qt in the manner you would like right? Qt on supports 2 right? |
| 01:32.12 | MohammadAG | anyways, I'll use qmaemo5rotator now |
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| 01:32.21 | diabol | should be as easy as replacing gtk with a hacked version that gets rotation data one way or another and uses that to rearrange the widgets (which is identical to resizing the window) |
| 01:32.27 | dotblank | maybe you could use xrandr to set rotation of the x display |
| 01:32.29 | MohammadAG | dotblank, that doesn't matter, it's an always landscape window you see |
| 01:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | heh, MohammadAG is already there |
| 01:32.33 | diabol | and BOOM automagically every gtk app gets rotation support |
| 01:32.46 | MohammadAG | I just need to rotate the widgets it contains |
| 01:32.52 | MohammadAG | that way, rotation would be much faster |
| 01:32.52 | dotblank | MohammadAG, are the graphics done manually? like sdl? |
| 01:33.05 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 01:33.17 | MohammadAG | there are no graphics, yet |
| 01:33.23 | MohammadAG | we need to add a video layer |
| 01:33.27 | dotblank | how would you rotate the widgets abnormally? |
| 01:33.28 | MohammadAG | then overlay those widgets that rotate |
| 01:33.36 | MohammadAG | setGeometry |
| 01:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | diabol: except for font and icon rotation XP |
| 01:33.44 | dotblank | well I would personally use xrandr or something |
| 01:34.28 | diabol | DocScrutinizer: yea, the cool stuff ._. |
| 01:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | diabol: aah, and layout rotation |
| 01:34.41 | MohammadAG | dotblank, I noticed another thing |
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| 01:34.46 | diabol | DocScrutinizer: nonono, it should be easy! :P |
| 01:34.52 | MohammadAG | dotblank, your new build has the progress bar set to some value that isn't 0 |
| 01:35.01 | diabol | ok guys, gotta go to sleep now |
| 01:35.01 | dotblank | yea.. I know |
| 01:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | have fun, I'm going to have a different kind of fun now. cya |
| 01:35.17 | diabol | *this* is exactly what i was looking for |
| 01:35.18 | MohammadAG | night diabol :) |
| 01:35.23 | dotblank | MohammadAG, I pass a signal to it with 2 parameters |
| 01:35.25 | diabol | pretty rotation stuff |
| 01:35.25 | MohammadAG | diabol, hope to see you around :) |
| 01:35.30 | diabol | same here :D |
| 01:35.39 | diabol | nighty night |
| 01:35.43 | eichi | does the n900 also has an "undestroyable" "first bootloader" for everytime reflashing, doenst matter, the firmware was destroyed before kline the n800 has? |
| 01:35.45 | MohammadAG | night :) |
| 01:35.49 | MohammadAG | setDataRate: rate 1 is not supported by the sensor. <-- lol |
| 01:35.53 | MohammadAG | and 100 isn't supported |
| 01:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | eichi: yes |
| 01:36.02 | eichi | DocScrutinizernice |
| 01:36.05 | eichi | nice |
| 01:36.15 | dotblank | MohammadAG, but the problem is that right after the constructer gets called it resizes the window |
| 01:36.19 | diabol | eichi: dont worry, you can probably still brick it |
| 01:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's called the rom bootloader - check coldflashing |
| 01:36.45 | dotblank | MohammadAG, so that is supposed to set it 100% of screen.. but it gets resized |
| 01:36.45 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 01:36.48 | eichi | okay. this is one of the best things, the nxxx series has |
| 01:36.55 | MohammadAG | yeah, got it |
| 01:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | pfff, inherited it from NEO FreeRunner :-P |
| 01:38.07 | eichi | i'm very excited at the moment :D selled my n800 yesterday and buyed a n900, hope it comes soon |
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| 01:39.57 | MohammadAG | dotblank, hmm, so does it actually make the window rotate? Cause I see you're not doing that manually |
| 01:40.34 | dotblank | MohammadAG, well thats done with the Qt:flags I don't use auto-rotate |
| 01:40.52 | dotblank | par->setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5PortraitOrientation, true); |
| 01:41.45 | MohammadAG | I see |
| 01:41.49 | MohammadAG | need to break that part |
| 01:44.27 | MohammadAG | dotblank, what exactly does this do orientationChanged(QMaemo5Rotator::LandscapeOrientation);? |
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| 01:45.32 | dotblank | MohammadAG, wow.. that looks like a bug |
| 01:45.38 | dotblank | its supposed to emit |
| 01:45.45 | dotblank | I never needed to use it |
| 01:45.58 | MohammadAG | heh, guessed as much :P |
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| 01:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | the eternal joy of C++ class libs without any decent docs |
| 01:49.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you can't believe how fun it can be :P |
| 01:49.28 | DocScrutinizer | I *know* |
| 01:49.55 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:49.58 | MohammadAG | dotblank, connect(rotator, SIGNAL(orientationChanged(Orientation)), this, SLOT(onReadingChanged(Orientation))) |
| 01:50.07 | MohammadAG | shouldn't void MainWindow::onReadingChanged(Orientation *orient) work? |
| 01:50.56 | dotblank | does it know about that enum? |
| 01:50.59 | dotblank | Orientation |
| 01:51.39 | MohammadAG | I'm including the .h file, shouldn't it? |
| 01:51.40 | dotblank | and would you really want to use a pointer? |
| 01:51.54 | dotblank | It has a namespace |
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| 01:52.10 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 01:52.36 | dotblank | and its passing by value not a pouinter |
| 01:52.42 | dotblank | pointer* |
| 01:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | oh how I adore C++ |
| 01:53.40 | WhiteWidow | :D |
| 01:54.27 | MohammadAG | bah |
| 01:54.41 | MohammadAG | need to go to bed |
| 01:54.44 | MohammadAG | night everyone |
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| 02:02.49 | WhiteWidow | how do i dualboot with powerkernel and meego? |
| 02:04.13 | yacc | Hmmm, does the powerkernel have ppp support? |
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| 03:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | WhiteWidow: or was the question not how to configure but rather how to actually select during bot time? |
| 03:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | boot even |
| 03:01.23 | WhiteWidow | DocScrutinizer: nevermind |
| 03:01.28 | DocScrutinizer | k :- |
| 03:01.29 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
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| 03:01.35 | WhiteWidow | now i only need to know how to uninstall uboot |
| 03:01.43 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 03:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | install a kernel that doesn't include uboot |
| 03:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | but I feel like mentioning multiboot is BAD and *deprecated* |
| 03:02.34 | WhiteWidow | lol |
| 03:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's nasty and eventually will eat your N900 |
| 03:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot is the future, multiboot is last night's nightmare |
| 03:04.13 | b-man | and the NITDroid people don't get that ;P |
| 03:04.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-/ |
| 03:04.53 | MohammadAG | they just need a uImage |
| 03:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I'm afraid it's also tomorrow's nightmare |
| 03:05.04 | MohammadAG | and boot parameters |
| 03:05.33 | dotblank | lol |
| 03:05.40 | dotblank | don't try this... |
| 03:05.43 | DocScrutinizer | not that nitdridiot itself would seem any reasonable to me |
| 03:06.00 | dotblank | I tried to set the screen rotation using xrandr |
| 03:06.04 | dotblank | and wow |
| 03:06.06 | b-man | everyone has their preferences ;) |
| 03:06.13 | dotblank | whole device rebooted |
| 03:06.20 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 03:06.50 | dotblank | I think it had more to do with include files having the same #defines |
| 03:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | b-man: people who prefer foodridiot are wrong here and als have chosen the wrong hardware |
| 03:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I don't wait for a Nokia device with a 3rd grade android clone OS, whe I can get the real stuff |
| 03:07.56 | MohammadAG | mmm, gingerbread |
| 03:08.26 | ds3 | much rather have a nice honeycomb breakfast |
| 03:08.43 | dotblank | I feel like the widget system was ripped from maemo |
| 03:08.48 | b-man | DocScrutinizer, i haven't really tried nitdroid, so it was just my assumption |
| 03:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | if you want andridiot then sell your N900 and get a milestone and a really nice dinner for the money :-P |
| 03:09.28 | MohammadAG | or do what b-man did |
| 03:09.45 | b-man | MohammadAG: stfu :P |
| 03:09.50 | MohammadAG | turn to blasphemy, and buy an iPhone |
| 03:09.59 | MohammadAG | oops, too late |
| 03:10.02 | MohammadAG | mwuhahaha |
| 03:10.03 | b-man | and it's not an iPhone |
| 03:10.25 | dotblank | Are programs run as root or something? |
| 03:10.29 | dotblank | on the n900 |
| 03:10.34 | MohammadAG | user |
| 03:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: ehh? |
| 03:10.47 | dotblank | then how did my device reboot |
| 03:10.50 | MohammadAG | b-man, busted |
| 03:10.53 | dotblank | thats a bit freaky |
| 03:10.56 | MohammadAG | dotblank, dsme rebooted it |
| 03:11.01 | MohammadAG | not your app |
| 03:11.06 | dotblank | dsme? |
| 03:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: what's the question, what's the problem? |
| 03:11.12 | b-man | MohammadAG: i could care less if everyone new :P |
| 03:11.23 | MohammadAG | Dumb Shit Memory Eater |
| 03:11.34 | MohammadAG | it reboots the device when a system app crashes |
| 03:11.35 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, I implemented Xrandr.h and called some function and it freaked out and rebooted |
| 03:11.41 | MohammadAG | probably X |
| 03:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: dsme is a central scrutinizer also supperted by a couple of nasty dogs, err watchdogs |
| 03:12.04 | MohammadAG | b-man, your transformation to an iUser has started |
| 03:12.14 | MohammadAG | b-man, it's knew, not new! |
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| 03:12.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I shot the dogs |
| 03:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: if your call to xrandr made X segfault or stall then probably dsme will reboot the system |
| 03:12.38 | dotblank | well great... I hate x now |
| 03:12.57 | MohammadAG | shoot the watchdog |
| 03:13.03 | MohammadAG | you know you want to |
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| 03:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | X is considered an essential component of maemo |
| 03:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | kill X -> reboot |
| 03:14.37 | MohammadAG | kill X -> back to framebuffer for me :P |
| 03:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 03:14.59 | dotblank | well.. I think its a bit odd... does x run in user-land? |
| 03:15.03 | dotblank | It must |
| 03:15.07 | MohammadAG | no |
| 03:15.26 | dotblank | well x needs to segfault less |
| 03:18.38 | DocScrutinizer | install proper ps, do a ps ax --forest and check what is started and controlled by dsme |
| 03:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.12 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:19.18 | DocScrutinizer | +30 more |
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| 03:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | alas dsmetool has no option to list all managed processes with their dsme option parameters |
| 03:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | pondering this fact, it smells like Nokia |
| 03:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | don't implement anything beyond what's needed |
| 03:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | I *bet* dsme sources have a (C) Xen Ynen, Nokia 2008 |
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| 03:28.26 | DocScrutinizer | and I don't even blame Xen, as he just dis what his boss told him - "Mr Ynen, these are the specs. Please implement. Don't waste time on concerns about usability or completenes/orthogonality" |
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| 03:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | "and *especially*, don't waste time on useless docs writing!" |
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| 03:32.17 | DocScrutinizer | "but boss, then nobody in community ever will dare to touch it, as it's a mess and a maze!" - "yeah Mr Ynen, exactly. That's the idea" |
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| 03:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | and the worst part in it: for me it looks like meego is adopting exactly that mindset |
| 03:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | while importing iPhonisms all over the place, and other madness |
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| 03:53.30 | DocScrutinizer | maemo4 you could use even with a broken touchpanel, just via hw kbd. On maemo5 you're screwed for quite several elementary operations, without proper working tp. On meego I swear I'll praise the Lord when the hw kbd is even on par with the vkbd |
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| 03:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | but meh, probably no hw kbd at all on meego handset devices |
| 03:54.50 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that will happen by making the vkbd worse |
| 03:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol, then if we assume my last statement will be correct, they really got a task to accomplish |
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| 05:50.10 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | bit early in the morning to aska question like his but who here is versed in successcessfully compiling source on their n900? |
| 05:58.43 | chx | practically everyone but you and me :D |
| 05:58.51 | dotblank | yup :) |
| 05:59.08 | dotblank | What do need compiled? |
| 05:59.16 | dotblank | you% |
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| 06:05.04 | reeniginEesreveR | i just bought a second hand n900! yayy ... ok so how do i flash it to clean it up? |
| 06:05.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 06:05.30 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 06:39.51 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | Ive installed the sdk image and ther nokia binaries. Need a build environment to compile PhoneME |
| 06:40.08 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | sorry, just snoozed |
| 06:40.18 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | awake now |
| 06:41.47 | dotblank | PhonMe? |
| 06:42.07 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | bear in mind this is the first time ive ever attempted this kind of stuff. |
| 06:42.37 | dotblank | hmm |
| 06:43.23 | dotblank | Never heard of PhoneME |
| 06:44.02 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | https://phoneme.dev.java.net/downloads_page.html |
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| 06:44.51 | dotblank | i'm going to see what I can do wuth MR2 source bundle (b97) |
| 06:46.01 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | this would provide midp2 java support instead of using an emulator like microemu |
| 06:47.16 | dotblank | seems they have some linux-arm makefiles |
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| 06:47.52 | dotblank | What? how is this not already on the n900? |
| 06:48.02 | dotblank | it has programs built with qt |
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| 06:50.46 | dotblank | hmm.. I think I need a jdk first |
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| 07:00.53 | dotblank | Optional. Java build tools (for javac, etc.). |
| 07:00.53 | dotblank | JDK_HOME=<prefix> |
| 07:01.53 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | sorry just switched to gprs, what did i miss? thanks for looking at this dotblank |
| 07:02.16 | dotblank | well I set up the makefile somewhat |
| 07:02.30 | dotblank | but its says the jdk is optional for building cdc |
| 07:02.39 | dotblank | yet.. its erroring out from me |
| 07:02.43 | dotblank | for* |
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| 07:17.36 | dotblank | Anyone know where the fremantle arm sysroots are? |
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| 07:39.09 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 07:45.53 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | If it helps there is a thread in development section of the forum. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32772&page=1 |
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| 07:55.21 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | There is also a thread relating to getting PhoneME to N900 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67986 |
| 07:56.05 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | though I'm learning the rocky road of compiling from scratch! |
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| 07:58.54 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | dotblank > by JDK do you mean OpenJDK or J2SE Embedded? |
| 07:59.22 | dotblank | either |
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| 08:03.57 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | Both are easy enough to get. Do these need to be copied to the chroot development environment as well? |
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| 08:05.57 | dotblank | well i'm trying to set up a better sdk for myself |
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| 08:09.48 | djszapi | How can I check the set options with flasher ? |
| 08:11.05 | dotblank | lol |
| 08:11.06 | dotblank | http://www.javelinfeedback.com/sun/index.jsp?pi=7c1b77e1b25ab4cb1023e336b58396ff&download=arm&V=6u21-headful-armv7-eabi-k2.6.28-libc2.9-hflt-le |
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| 08:11.14 | dotblank | they wan't me to fill that out |
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| 08:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: there comes a README file with at least the tgz flasher. Also flasher --help might help ;-) |
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| 08:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | djszapi: --query-rd-mode Query the device R&D mode status and flags |
| 08:16.56 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | I think I can zip up the copy I have if it helps. didn't realise they were asking for feedback now. will try and find a direct link |
| 08:18.04 | dotblank | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=6&sqi=2&ved=0CFEQFjAF&url=http%3A%2F%2Fdevelopers.sun.com%2Flearning%2Fjavaoneonline%2F2008%2Fpdf%2FTS-6304.pdf&rct=j&q=building%20phoneme%20advanced&ei=7xEsTYHaKsH7lwfJ6dCWCw&usg=AFQjCNGXtO3xEK-668HDJ6xOLamss93TZw |
| 08:18.06 | dotblank | lol |
| 08:18.10 | dotblank | This is kinda funny |
| 08:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | no, kinda *huge* |
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| 08:19.17 | dotblank | the title of the pdf is How to Port phoneMETM Advanced Software to |
| 08:19.17 | dotblank | Google Android, iPhone, OpenMoko, LiMO, |
| 08:19.17 | dotblank | and More |
| 08:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | wonders why we need that google crap URL... http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/2008/pdf/TS-6304.pdf |
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| 08:21.19 | dotblank | DocScrutinizer, oh whoops.. sorry about that |
| 08:21.28 | DocScrutinizer | but yeah, Openmoko being mentioned there is actually rather funny :-) |
| 08:21.28 | dotblank | didn't mean to do that :( |
| 08:22.09 | dotblank | lol.. it uses gtk |
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| 08:22.18 | dotblank | this in theory should be easy to prt |
| 08:22.22 | dotblank | port |
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| 08:33.57 | dotblank | umm.. |
| 08:34.01 | dotblank | I think its working.. |
| 08:34.08 | dotblank | It's compiling right now |
| 08:35.50 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | nice! if it is still of any help heres thr direct j2se links |
| 08:35.55 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | https://cds.sun.com/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/WFS/CDS-CDS_Developer-Site/en_US/-/USD/ViewFilteredProducts-SingleVariationTypeFilter |
| 08:36.40 | dotblank | nvm I got one error here |
| 08:36.41 | dotblank | error: asm/ucontext.h: No such file or director |
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| 08:38.28 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | will be online but got to work for a bit. will keep an eye on the chan when i get a chance |
| 08:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: duh, a whole header file missing :-o |
| 08:39.27 | dotblank | apperently you don't really need it |
| 08:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 08:39.39 | dotblank | but there is a fix someone posted in the forums BUT.. |
| 08:39.59 | dotblank | all the forums post are "This has already been answered go here" and its 404'd |
| 08:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 08:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | now at least we all (re-)learned something about how to write forum posts |
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| 08:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to ask the author of that pdf you linked up there. He seems to be alive still, and even active |
| 08:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | complained about common notion regarding java's future :-) |
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| 08:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | (blog on the homepage mentioned on last page of document) |
| 08:44.05 | dotblank | ugh another error.. because someone hardocded a path in the makefile |
| 08:44.50 | crashanddie | [09:43:36] -NickServ- You are now identified for CrashandDie. |
| 08:44.50 | crashanddie | [09:43:36] -NickServ- 3 failed logins since last login. |
| 08:44.54 | crashanddie | intewesting |
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| 08:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | a wabbit, a wabbit |
| 08:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
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| 08:59.10 | dotblank | bin/cvm: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.14, not stripped |
| 08:59.12 | dotblank | :) |
| 08:59.15 | dotblank | im kinda happy |
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| 09:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
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| 09:03.21 | DocScrutinizer | and... does it work? |
| 09:03.26 | dotblank | testing it now |
| 09:03.42 | dotblank | I spent five mins trying to figuer out why scp to my n900 wasn't working. |
| 09:03.54 | dotblank | then I relized my n900 was off |
| 09:04.13 | dotblank | I bet it linked with all the wrong libs |
| 09:05.40 | dotblank | lol the n900 doesn't have tar with the -a option |
| 09:05.43 | dotblank | great |
| 09:07.07 | dotblank | ok I get a java VM panic |
| 09:07.10 | dotblank | :( |
| 09:07.37 | dotblank | I actually half expected it to happen |
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| 09:12.46 | dotblank | huzza |
| 09:12.50 | dotblank | today is a great day |
| 09:14.00 | dotblank | ............. |
| 09:14.00 | dotblank | *CONGRATULATIONS: test Test completed with 411 tests passed and 0 failures |
| 09:14.00 | dotblank | *Output lines starting with a * should be checked for correctness |
| 09:14.01 | dotblank | *They can be compared to src/share/javavm/test/TestExpectedResult |
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| 09:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | dotblank: nice |
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| 09:16.21 | dotblank | now what.. I had no idea why i started doing this |
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| 09:19.37 | MohammadAG | morning |
| 09:19.56 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, failed logins show an IP for me |
| 09:20.10 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, yeah, it's someone in Germany |
| 09:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha. maybe compare size / feature completeness / performance to other java implementations you might find in the repositories |
| 09:20.25 | MohammadAG | glares at DocScrutinizer |
| 09:20.28 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 09:21.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you twied to blame the wabbits |
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| 09:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: what's been the catch with call-ui not rotating unless you open a menu? |
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| 09:23.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you restarded hildon-desktop with a killall |
| 09:23.12 | MohammadAG | reboot required to fix it |
| 09:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | thanks :-D |
| 09:23.30 | MohammadAG | I found a workaround for it btw |
| 09:23.49 | MohammadAG | before doing a killall, put the desktop in portrait mode (open phone app or sth) |
| 09:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | what does it cause first instance? |
| 09:23.56 | MohammadAG | then do the killall |
| 09:24.11 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 09:24.21 | MohammadAG | if you do the killall rotation won't happen properly |
| 09:24.34 | MohammadAG | when you open a dialog, you'll notice it flips |
| 09:24.51 | MohammadAG | but X and the tasks button are still wide |
| 09:25.13 | MohammadAG | (they shrink from their normal size in proper portrait mode) |
| 09:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | but what fsckd my X up? |
| 09:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | or my HD |
| 09:26.18 | MohammadAG | you didn't kill it? |
| 09:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | not yet |
| 09:26.35 | MohammadAG | no, killing it does this |
| 09:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 09:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | I didn't kill HD |
| 09:26.51 | MohammadAG | so it must've crashed, or you killed it |
| 09:27.01 | MohammadAG | crash maybe |
| 09:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | maybe ... err yes it crashed |
| 09:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | I recall |
| 09:27.19 | MohammadAG | it happened to me once, with ctrl+bs thingy |
| 09:27.38 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, thanks. I'll try if I can fix it with another kill |
| 09:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes, same here |
| 09:27.55 | MohammadAG | sleep 10; killall hildon-desktop |
| 09:28.05 | DocScrutinizer | o/ (breakfast) |
| 09:28.07 | MohammadAG | during the 10s, put the desktop in portrait mode |
| 09:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | k, |
| 09:28.18 | MohammadAG | might fix it, or not |
| 09:29.19 | jpinx-eeepc | is there a way to stop the display rotating - fix it in landscape? |
| 09:29.49 | MohammadAG | only one unclean way |
| 09:29.52 | MohammadAG | stop mce |
| 09:29.58 | jpinx-eeepc | my n900 spends so much time trying to keep up with rotations when I am getting it out of my pocket to answer a call |
| 09:30.16 | MohammadAG | ah, that |
| 09:30.24 | MohammadAG | i just fixed it to portrait mode |
| 09:30.33 | MohammadAG | in phone settings |
| 09:30.51 | jpinx-eeepc | Oooo... let's look in there :) |
| 09:32.04 | jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: phone settings doesnot appear to have that option :( |
| 09:32.09 | dotblank | ok.. I hat java applets |
| 09:32.15 | MohammadAG | they do lol |
| 09:32.18 | dotblank | how do I run one from the command line? |
| 09:32.43 | MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, start the phone app |
| 09:32.46 | MohammadAG | tap the title bar |
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| 09:32.58 | MohammadAG | turning control, first combobox |
| 09:33.07 | jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: gotcha ;) thanks |
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| 10:03.03 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | Dotblank - sorry I seem to have given you more of a challenge than i realised! |
| 10:03.22 | dotblank | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], I got it working |
| 10:03.53 | dotblank | just not midp because I have no really idea what on earth midp means |
| 10:04.02 | dotblank | idea really* |
| 10:05.20 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | i guess thr best way to test this would be to get Opera Mini 4 working :) |
| 10:05.27 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | is it easy enough to package? |
| 10:06.10 | dotblank | hmm |
| 10:06.12 | dotblank | lets see |
| 10:06.23 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://my.opera.com/community/forums/topic.dml?id=221224 |
| 10:06.38 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | direct downloads for all opera mini versions |
| 10:07.50 | dotblank | ok yea.. I can't start or urun it yet |
| 10:07.55 | dotblank | or I don't know how |
| 10:08.02 | dotblank | I need to build midp |
| 10:08.31 | dotblank | or figure out how this works... it doesn't run with a Main-class in the manifest its some midlet vodoo |
| 10:08.37 | dotblank | voodoo |
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| 10:21.32 | dotblank | i'm exhausted I feel like a zombie.. i'm going to bed |
| 10:22.09 | dotblank | [DrkGUNMAN-N900], if you wan't to play around with j2me on the n900 you can download it from the forum post |
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| 10:23.27 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | one more useful link i googled... |
| 10:23.29 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/60613 |
| 10:23.53 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | and thank you for having a look! |
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| 10:24.45 | derknecht | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:24.45 | derknecht | ebody give me some hints where to start? Or what is a good way to get a passwd input at bootup? Thanks |
| 10:25.56 | FauxFaux | You realise that offers no security at all, right? |
| 10:26.38 | FauxFaux | Maximum pin is 8 digits -> log2(10^8) -> 27 bits. |
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| 10:28.36 | derknecht | FauxFaux: a key file on the device has no security, yes. Or what do you mean? |
| 10:29.27 | FauxFaux | No, a pin number offers no entropy so no security. |
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| 10:30.18 | [DrkGUNMAN-N900] | http://wiki.java.net/bin/view/Mobileandembedded/PhoneMEAdvancedPlatformsNokia800 |
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| 10:30.48 | derknecht | FauxFaux: it provides the level of security that i need. Its much better that using a keyfile |
| 10:31.52 | derknecht | FauxFaux: but you are right, its not the best solution. How can i get a keyboard input at boot time without a started x server? |
| 10:33.20 | pupnik | study how linux drive encryption works |
| 10:34.13 | derknecht | pupnik: i know how it works for my purpose, the problem is to get a user input at boot time. |
| 10:34.52 | pupnik | how does it work on desktop linux? |
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| 10:37.04 | FauxFaux | pupnik: You have vconsoles during boot. |
| 10:37.08 | derknecht | pupnik: before the user folder gets mounted you will be asked via framebuffer (or splash screen on dists like ubuntu) to input a passphrase |
| 10:38.48 | derknecht | FauxFaux: i google it |
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| 10:40.31 | derknecht | FauxFaux: i cannot find vconsole, what do you mean? i have found something about xvfb, what maybe is an option |
| 10:40.43 | pupnik | well you don't need framebuffer if you know that you need to enter a pwd |
| 10:40.52 | pupnik | blackscreen is fine |
| 10:42.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | also I don't get it where's the problem with lockcode |
| 10:42.28 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:42.33 | MohammadAG | anyone used QFileDialog on maemo? |
| 10:42.38 | MohammadAG | I thought it should use the hildon one... |
| 10:43.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | just kick out the mass storage mode |
| 10:43.27 | FauxFaux | DocScrutinizer51: The digit limit is too low? |
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| 10:45.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | FauxFaux: well, you have to enter the right digits anyway |
| 10:45.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | aiui |
| 10:45.41 | derknecht | pupnik: hmm, maybe thats an option. |
| 10:46.02 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer: what is lockcode? cant find a package with that name |
| 10:46.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise you have no access to device directly, only an possible ssh and mass storage |
| 10:46.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's in settings of default |
| 10:46.32 | FauxFaux | DocScrutinizer51: Yeah, but anything under about a 15 digit pincode makes encrypting the filesystem entirely pointless against an offline attack (i.e. the only kind when you'd be looking at the filesystem). |
| 10:46.49 | FauxFaux | Oh, you mean lockcode in general, not lockcode as the LUKS password. :P |
| 10:46.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | why encrypt the fs? |
| 10:47.01 | FauxFaux | 'cos you're MAD. |
| 10:47.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, you're confused |
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| 10:47.50 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: have some ssh keys and passwords in browser from business customers server on my device. i simply want to protect them in case i loose it |
| 10:48.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes. so how would a possible attacker get access? |
| 10:48.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | screen and kbd are locked |
| 10:49.08 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: take out the storage chip and dump it |
| 10:49.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 10:49.24 | derknecht | :D |
| 10:49.43 | FauxFaux | If only ssh keys supported passwords. |
| 10:49.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok, that's a level of security you won't achieve even with your encryption |
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| 10:50.49 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: if i found a way to give a passwd to cryptsetup, than its really secure. |
| 10:50.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | the problem is flashing mode |
| 10:51.55 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: User data stays while the system gets overriden, yes |
| 10:52.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 10:52.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | you even can boot a rescue initrd |
| 10:52.42 | derknecht | so encrypt the user folder does make sense in my opinion |
| 10:52.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 10:53.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | you can crypt some other storage area though and keep secret stuff tjere |
| 10:54.24 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: thats plan b |
| 10:54.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | this can be done *after* normal user login |
| 10:54.55 | noodles900 | anyone know how to copy a link in a webpage and paste it in irssi? |
| 10:55.03 | derknecht | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:55.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | blind typing is best I can think of |
| 10:55.34 | derknecht | noodles900: select it, ctrl + c |
| 10:55.57 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: testing this will take some time . . . |
| 10:56.30 | noodles900 | I can "copy lin location" but Ctrl-v does not paste it |
| 10:56.30 | inz | noodles, hold your finger/stylus down over the link to open context menu, choose "copy link address" |
| 10:57.26 | inz | noodles, ctrl+v doesn't work in terminal, you need to access "paste" from the menu |
| 10:57.37 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: do you know how the pin input app on boot is called? (not the sim unlock) i like the idea of generate the md5 hash of unlocking pin and use that as key. |
| 10:57.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | in irssi? that's xterm, no? |
| 10:57.43 | noodles900 | ah-ha |
| 10:58.38 | noodles900 | inz: thanks :D |
| 10:58.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | derknecht: bad idea. lockcode is easily john'd from sha in cal partition |
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| 11:00.53 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: All python qt stuff will not work to get an text input cause there is no x at this time |
| 11:01.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 11:01.34 | derknecht | DocScrutinizer51: how the lockcode dialog is written? it runs without x |
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| 11:01.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | I think I heard they are using a special matchbox x server for that |
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| 11:03.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | search chan log for matchbox |
| 11:04.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | bbl |
| 11:05.13 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 11:05.23 | timeless_mbp | is there a boot-loop troubleshooting page? :) |
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| 11:12.37 | timeless_mbp | grr |
| 11:12.41 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 11:12.46 | MohammadAG | Q: My device is bootlooping |
| 11:12.51 | timeless_mbp | the flasher 5 http headers are broken for http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php?f=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg |
| 11:12.53 | MohammadAG | A: kill the fucking watchdog |
| 11:13.12 | timeless_mbp | it downloaded as: "maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.dmg"attachment |
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| 11:14.38 | jonwil | hi |
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| 11:17.23 | jonwil | My N900 finally arrived, now I need to figure out what to do with it :) |
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| 11:19.08 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 11:19.20 | timeless_mbp | Flash-3.5 has a x86_64 mach-o component |
| 11:19.25 | timeless_mbp | but libusb doesn't seem to ahve one |
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| 11:27.14 | jonwil | where do I get the N900 SDK? |
| 11:28.14 | timeless_mbp | ok, so my n900 isn't booting past nolo |
| 11:28.20 | timeless_mbp | it shows me the green text and then reboots |
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| 11:30.59 | psycho_oreos | could be kernel issue |
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| 11:32.43 | timeless_mbp | this is using the pr1.3 sales kernel |
| 11:32.51 | timeless_mbp | it had no rd mode flags until i added some |
| 11:33.34 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: you in the area of your apt? |
| 11:37.04 | andre__ | jonwil: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html |
| 11:38.41 | jonwil | Is the software revision offered by Nokia Software Update the one I should be running? |
| 11:39.35 | timeless_mbp | anyone here ever use ./flasher-3.5 -F ... -l <- instead of -f ? |
| 11:40.30 | chem|st | what is steady orange led while off and on wall charger and does anyone know where the patterns are written down? |
| 11:40.48 | timeless_mbp | charging? |
| 11:40.53 | timeless_mbp | steady green = charged |
| 11:41.08 | chem|st | steady orange != pulsing orange |
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| 11:42.15 | timeless_mbp | got a fading yellow :o |
| 11:42.40 | jonwil | hmmm, damn, I need to get my Gentoo box working again before I can get MAEMO SDK working |
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| 11:43.23 | timeless_mbp | ok, flashing the rootfs gave me something |
| 11:43.30 | timeless_mbp | except um.. the startup wizard is slow ? |
| 11:43.48 | timeless_mbp | needs to clear-rd-flags |
| 11:44.48 | timeless_mbp | grr |
| 11:45.07 | timeless_mbp | why am i getting "Memory card not available.\nUSB cable connected." I'm using PC Suite mode! |
| 11:45.10 | timeless_mbp | kicks something |
| 11:45.36 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: or fading yellow != steady orange |
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| 11:45.47 | chem|st | was it emergency charging from flat? |
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| 11:46.02 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: possibly |
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| 11:46.19 | timeless_mbp | so um |
| 11:46.22 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 11:46.32 | timeless_mbp | is it possible to not have an eMMC? :) |
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| 11:47.45 | timeless_mbp | where would i find the eMMC in dmesg? :( |
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| 11:51.36 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: pls elaborate |
| 11:52.08 | timeless_mbp | MyDocs doesn't seem to exist |
| 11:52.20 | chem|st | uh |
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| 11:53.01 | chem|st | it should be /dev/mcblk1 |
| 11:53.14 | chem|st | got no n900 atm so cannot look it up |
| 11:53.46 | chem|st | cat proc/mtd migt help too |
| 11:54.14 | timeless_mbp | kinda wants it back.... |
| 11:54.15 | timeless_mbp | yeah, um... |
| 11:54.15 | timeless_mbp | file manager says "(no files/folders)" |
| 11:54.15 | timeless_mbp | and it isn't plugged into anything |
| 11:54.30 | chem|st | the devices are there? |
| 11:54.43 | timeless_mbp | bootloader, config, log, kernel, initfs, rootfs |
| 11:54.45 | timeless_mbp | what am i looking for? |
| 11:55.07 | chem|st | ok mtd is the core flash... |
| 11:55.19 | timeless_mbp | no /dev/mm* |
| 11:55.27 | chem|st | you are looking for some mmcblk1 |
| 11:55.40 | timeless_mbp | there's a lot of /dev/mmcblk* in my working device |
| 11:55.50 | timeless_mbp | so.. did this device really lose its mmc? :) |
| 11:56.01 | chem|st | ah wait it is mmcblk0 |
| 11:56.10 | chem|st | mmcblk1 is the external flash |
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| 11:56.23 | timeless_mbp | right, my working device has both 0 and 1 |
| 11:56.28 | timeless_mbp | my non working device has none |
| 11:56.38 | alterego | Just restart your device, that fixed the issue for me. |
| 11:56.44 | chem|st | is there home? (without home it would not boot...) |
| 11:56.48 | timeless_mbp | already did that |
| 11:57.02 | timeless_mbp | df . shows rootfs / |
| 11:57.04 | alterego | Oh, you're probably screwed then :d |
| 11:57.27 | chem|st | home and MyDocs are on the same device just different partitions |
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| 11:57.57 | timeless_mbp | all i have is rootfs, ubi0:rootfs, tmpfs, tmpfs, none, tmpfs |
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| 11:58.36 | alterego | And no mmcblk0 device node? |
| 11:58.43 | chem|st | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:58.46 | timeless_mbp | alterego: correct |
| 11:58.53 | alterego | What about cat /proc/partitions |
| 11:59.01 | MohammadAG | and no mmcblk1? |
| 11:59.14 | timeless_mbp | correct |
| 11:59.18 | MohammadAG | and this is an N900? |
| 11:59.31 | timeless_mbp | n900 |
| 11:59.36 | timeless_mbp | "major minor #blocks name |
| 11:59.40 | alterego | Nokia Care (tm) ... (Or do they?) |
| 11:59.41 | MohammadAG | Replacement time |
| 11:59.42 | timeless_mbp | "<this line empty> |
| 11:59.43 | timeless_mbp | $ |
| 11:59.49 | chem|st | it should actualy bootloop in this state... |
| 11:59.59 | MohammadAG | no |
| 12:00.03 | alterego | chem|st: no |
| 12:00.06 | thp | MohammadAG: where do I request a patch to be merged into the community SSU? |
| 12:00.08 | MohammadAG | it would show 400MBs in settings |
| 12:00.13 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: it *was* boot looping |
| 12:00.16 | timeless_mbp | until i flashed rootfs |
| 12:00.17 | alterego | you can boot rootfs only images fine. |
| 12:00.19 | MohammadAG | thp, just send it on gitorious |
| 12:00.35 | timeless_mbp | anyway, the lack of the eMMC explains why it was bootlooping :) |
| 12:00.36 | thp | MohammadAG: do you have a quick link to the project on gitorious? |
| 12:00.38 | timeless_mbp | figured out that part |
| 12:00.38 | MohammadAG | thp, you're not in #maemo-ssu ? :) |
| 12:00.52 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu |
| 12:01.00 | thp | MohammadAG: thx :) |
| 12:01.04 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, what does Settings > Memory show |
| 12:01.11 | MohammadAG | thp, yw :) |
| 12:01.19 | chem|st | thought that unable to mount /home would cause bootloop o_O |
| 12:01.22 | timeless_mbp | an empty bar for [Device] |
| 12:01.29 | timeless_mbp | and 78.1MB available for "Applications" |
| 12:01.55 | timeless_mbp | details has 227.8MB for "Total size"/"In use by system" |
| 12:01.55 | thp | MohammadAG: ok, another problem. the patch is against "vte", which isn't yet a subcomponent of the community ssu |
| 12:01.58 | MohammadAG | chem|st, it'll just make a /home under / |
| 12:02.03 | timeless_mbp | User files "1 kB", Avialable "1 kB" |
| 12:02.09 | timeless_mbp | and "(no data)" |
| 12:02.18 | chem|st | MohammadAG: nice |
| 12:02.24 | thp | (i want to get https://bugs.maemo.org/6009 fixed, which has a patch that worked great for me for many months already) |
| 12:02.26 | povbot | Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 12:02.26 | timeless_mbp | hrm, this mbp's VirtualBox session isn't touch screen enabled! |
| 12:02.29 | MohammadAG | thp, ah, can you send a .patch? I'll upload vte to git and patch it |
| 12:02.33 | timeless_mbp | tried to tap the screen to wake it up... |
| 12:02.49 | thp | MohammadAG: sure, where to? |
| 12:02.51 | MohammadAG | poke it |
| 12:03.16 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 12:03.16 | MohammadAG | sec, lemme check if vte is already on maemo's git |
| 12:03.18 | thp | MohammadAG: grab it from https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2562 |
| 12:04.35 | timeless_mbp | right, so... what should i do? :) |
| 12:05.04 | timeless_mbp | and no, i don't have a sales slip for it |
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| 12:12.13 | MohammadAG | thp, http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/vte |
| 12:12.39 | MohammadAG | hmm, what's the syntax for git commit --author? |
| 12:12.44 | thp | MohammadAG: thanks :) will submit a merge request there |
| 12:12.54 | thp | MohammadAG: git commit --author='First Last <e@mail.com>' |
| 12:13.10 | MohammadAG | thp, then I'll commit it myself ;) |
| 12:13.25 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Ah, you've seen :-) |
| 12:13.44 | MohammadAG | thp, what's your email again? :) |
| 12:13.52 | thp | MohammadAG: and while we are at it, https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=1812 for https://bugs.maemo.org/7164 would also be nice |
| 12:13.54 | povbot | Bug 7164: osso-xterm dark grey color shown as black |
| 12:13.55 | thp | MohammadAG: m@thp.io |
| 12:14.16 | MohammadAG | lol nice email |
| 12:14.41 | MohammadAG | (well, since your name is on IRC (/whois)) |
| 12:14.46 | MohammadAG | "Thomas Perl <m@thp.io>" this is correct right? |
| 12:14.59 | thp | MohammadAG: yep |
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| 12:15.59 | thp | i've updated both bugs with a mention of the community ssu |
| 12:16.10 | MohammadAG | oh cool |
| 12:16.18 | MohammadAG | gitorious.org recognizes names and all |
| 12:17.04 | thp | MohammadAG: btw, the commit message mentions the wrong bug ID ;) |
| 12:17.22 | MohammadAG | does it? crap |
| 12:17.37 | MohammadAG | naw crap indeed, that's the attachment ID |
| 12:17.53 | thp | 6009 is the correct one. git commit --amend + git push -f (i don't think it will matter in that short timespan that you "modify history") |
| 12:19.45 | MohammadAG | right, fixed and pushed |
| 12:19.59 | thp | MohammadAG: thanks a lot! |
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| 12:20.28 | MohammadAG | thanks for the patches :D |
| 12:21.33 | DocScrutinizer | thp: (6009) I guess that's what I'm using as well since months with absolute success: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools . Does it work for you with PR1.3? |
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| 12:21.47 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: no |
| 12:21.56 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: heh |
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| 12:24.25 | thp | DocScrutinizer: yes, i have PR1.3 and the fix. i don't think vte has been updated in 1.3? |
| 12:24.58 | DocScrutinizer | thp: probably not. I don't know for sure, as no 1-3 here yet |
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| 12:26.56 | MohammadAG | can someone compile a Qt app for windows pwease? :P |
| 12:27.24 | MohammadAG | I just realized the libs are 300MBs |
| 12:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | a wabbit, a wabbit! |
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| 12:28.33 | thp | MohammadAG: which app? |
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| 12:29.17 | MohammadAG | thp, GUI for the PS3 package signer |
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| 12:29.26 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/ps3-tools/pkg_gui_signer |
| 12:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: maybe unrelated, but it's been filebox' menu that crashed HD |
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| 12:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | my comment back when: "yeah, I probably shouldn't switch a modal dialog to the background with ctl-bs |
| 12:33.12 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I look forward to seeing if an mp-fremantle-community-pr update works for vte with the shim :-) |
| 12:33.34 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Is the source which builds the meta-package in gitorious.org/community-ssu, btw? |
| 12:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: meh, I had to uninstall mp-fremantle-foo-pr-generic, to make HAM install *anything* after vte patch, iirc |
| 12:35.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yes; because you've broken all the explicit dependencies and HAM gives up |
| 12:35.55 | thp | DocScrutinizer: if you apply the patches without changing the version number and then build the package and install it, it works ;) |
| 12:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | which is one of the reasons I'm still on 1.2 |
| 12:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | thp: I was lazy and copied in the binary or whatever. downloaded and dpkg'd the .deb? sth like that |
| 12:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | I'm reluctant to touch that sharp-edged scratchbox |
| 12:37.47 | MohammadAG | scratchbox is fine :P |
| 12:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | only if grinded to fine dust |
| 12:38.04 | MohammadAG | damn N900 battery |
| 12:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | s/grinded/ground/ |
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| 12:39.21 | Jaffa | wonders looking through bugzilla for things with a `patch' keyword which are unresolved. |
| 12:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: does "solved" actually mean a thing? |
| 12:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | REsolved even |
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| 12:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it mainly a tag saying "we have a patch for that, maybe it gets applied eventually, for PR2.17" |
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| 12:42.55 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Generally it should be fairly meaningful. If something's RESOLVED FIXED (or similar) with a `patch' it means it's been included in the source tree. Not sure how many patches there are for stuff which is open source, has patches, but has closed development and the bewer version is unshipped |
| 12:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember somebody here complaining about Nokia generally never accepts patches from community. And afaik most Nokia generic patches are not published on bugzilla |
| 12:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, I should stfu as I have no clue about it, other than citations of rant |
| 12:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | 6009 anyway has been around since ages |
| 12:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | the patch for 6009 that is |
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| 12:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | methinks it has been fixed for diablo |
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| 12:52.30 | kerio | the nethack devteam has listed tons of bugs as "fixed" or "Fixed", but the last release was 7 years ago and they keep their code private ._. |
| 12:53.40 | flux | :) |
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| 13:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: seems Nokia maemo team - though officially discontinued - has the plan to top this record |
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| 13:13.19 | DocScrutinizer | wait... |
| 13:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | timeless claimed there's a maemo team still, some months ago? |
| 13:14.23 | trx | what do they do? |
| 13:14.25 | phellarv | DocScrutinizer: Urban Myth. |
| 13:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably |
| 13:15.31 | Termana | Of course they don't have a Maemo team |
| 13:15.37 | DocScrutinizer | or just a glitch of memory |
| 13:15.37 | Termana | The Maemo team was renamed |
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| 13:17.13 | DocScrutinizer | moot discussion. There will be no maemo update anyway. And even if there were, none of the rant started now will change anything about what's getting fixed in there |
| 13:17.30 | crashanddie | Just join community SSU |
| 13:17.33 | crashanddie | and stop bitching |
| 13:17.36 | crashanddie | all of y'all |
| 13:17.40 | crashanddie | Now get the hell off my lawn. |
| 13:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | who's bitching |
| 13:17.49 | trx | what are the plans for BME? |
| 13:17.59 | Termana | plans? |
| 13:18.00 | crashanddie | A nuke. Hopefully. |
| 13:18.02 | Termana | There are none |
| 13:18.09 | trx | on meego at least, will they open anything? |
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| 13:18.13 | Termana | no |
| 13:18.20 | Termana | They have already said so |
| 13:18.24 | crashanddie | Termana, you seem very pessimistic, did the floods get to you? |
| 13:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | nuklear obliteration |
| 13:18.26 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: I had a HAM patch, which I submitted through Bugzilla, included. |
| 13:18.27 | trx | :| |
| 13:18.31 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Two, in fact. |
| 13:18.43 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: One of them changing the UI |
| 13:18.55 | alterego | "I read from internet that i could get sorce code of maemo from nokia if I write a letter,the reason I want to compile it is that I need to compile a module into it.but I wander if it is possible to compile maemo onto n900 " |
| 13:19.02 | alterego | sighs |
| 13:19.10 | trx | lol |
| 13:19.20 | Termana | crashanddie, :p no - I'm just stating the truth, Nokia hasn't and won't change their policy on BME for current and future handsets |
| 13:19.26 | ke^ | Does anyone else use here clawmotia (mythtv frontend control program) |
| 13:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | trx: on meego there will be no open source bme either |
| 13:19.39 | yacc | BME? |
| 13:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | batery management entity |
| 13:19.55 | Termana | In fact, Nokia is going so far as to say they think EVERYONE should do it like them |
| 13:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | battery even |
| 13:20.00 | crashanddie | Termana, how bad is it, btw? |
| 13:20.14 | trx | DocScrutinizer so there is no way for us to have proper host mode unless we write our own BME or am i mistaken? |
| 13:20.49 | Termana | crashanddie, the floods? Well thankfully I'm unaffected. However, it's a disaster in Queensland, one had it gush in without warning, no time for evacuation. |
| 13:20.56 | Termana | one town* |
| 13:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | trx: that's not entirely correct. |
| 13:21.50 | Termana | I saw a video on the news last night of this guy sitting in his ute, and the water just comes smashing in and then you see his wind screen wipers go :p |
| 13:22.02 | Termana | go as in, wipe |
| 13:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | we just need to get rid of bme for normal hostmode. Yet a bme replacement yielding better control would be fine, for special cases |
| 13:22.34 | trx | DocScrutinizer we only need a replacement while host mode is on and bme isnt working? |
| 13:22.39 | Jaffa | alterego: Nice. |
| 13:22.46 | trx | what im targeting is charging while in host mdoe |
| 13:22.47 | trx | mode* |
| 13:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | trx: yes, basically |
| 13:23.17 | alterego | Language barriers really make me angry :P |
| 13:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | trx: I'm working on that. It's not really hard to implement |
| 13:23.28 | alterego | That and idiocy. |
| 13:23.33 | alterego | When you mix the two ... |
| 13:24.07 | trx | DocScrutinizer oh, i didnt know that. Good to know |
| 13:24.27 | trx | if you need testers, im arround :) |
| 13:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | trx: I'm a week late on it, according to my own callendar. But it should roll out RSN |
| 13:25.29 | Termana | trx, not very healthy |
| 13:26.04 | Termana | trx, being a round that is |
| 13:26.13 | Termana | :p |
| 13:26.15 | MohammadAG | Qt bme replacemeny anyone? .P |
| 13:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | WUT?? |
| 13:26.41 | trx | Termana yeah, i know :) |
| 13:26.59 | DocScrutinizer | why not LISP in a emulator written in COBOL? |
| 13:27.06 | trx | haha |
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| 13:28.29 | trx | i seriously need to learn C so i can help out with something, or we should rewrite everything in delphi :) |
| 13:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and *you flamed me* because you considered shellscripts inappropriate? |
| 13:29.17 | MohammadAG | nah, I'd rather have it as a pulseaudio plugin |
| 13:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | aaah not THAT makes sense :-D |
| 13:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | now* |
| 13:29.50 | kerio | i second the pulseaudio plugin |
| 13:29.55 | trx | MohammadAG how's media player going btw? |
| 13:29.56 | MohammadAG | .P |
| 13:30.01 | Termana | I would had to be an outsider reading #maemo logs |
| 13:30.04 | Termana | hate* |
| 13:30.06 | Termana | :p |
| 13:31.42 | MohammadAG | we could use tracker to track battery charge! |
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| 13:32.52 | RST38h | Mohammad:Hush, do not give Nokians wrongideas! |
| 13:32.53 | trx | that would be nice :) |
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| 13:33.12 | trx | we should have Maemo team working on that :) |
| 13:33.29 | RST38h | On the other hand,we could rewrite Tracker in C#or Java for betterportability and to avoid memory leaks |
| 13:33.36 | RST38h | WOULDN'T IT BE NICE? =) |
| 13:33.44 | trx | oh yeah :) |
| 13:33.45 | phellarv | Java???!?!!?!?! |
| 13:34.05 | trx | why not ASM... |
| 13:34.08 | trx | :) |
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| 13:34.59 | RST38h | assembly languages are outdated, Java, Python, and Ruby are the languages o the future! |
| 13:35.02 | RST38h | cackles |
| 13:35.16 | trx | you got that right :) |
| 13:35.22 | phellarv | shudders |
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| 13:42.31 | jonwil | how can I tell on my N900 how full the battery actually is? |
| 13:42.37 | jonwil | All I get is a "charging" light |
| 13:43.04 | Gyjf | there is a app that tells you |
| 13:43.17 | trx | doesnt it turn green when its full? |
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| 13:43.22 | jonwil | is this something I have to install or is it part of the system? |
| 13:43.22 | Gyjf | and some cli stuff |
| 13:43.32 | Gyjf | you have to install it |
| 13:43.32 | ke^ | batterygrap is good app |
| 13:44.18 | jonwil | where do I get batterygrap from? |
| 13:44.22 | jonwil | I dont know how to install apps yet |
| 13:44.41 | jonwil | first time owning anything from Nokia :) |
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| 13:45.13 | alterego | ieatlint: ping |
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| 13:46.09 | ke^ | jonwil: its in application management. But i suggest that you install also faster application manager cause the nokia:s default application manager is slow. |
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| 13:46.34 | jonwil | ok, so what should I install then starting from a stock setup of the latest Nokia firmware? |
| 13:46.55 | jonwil | i.e. whatever nokia update installed for me earlier |
| 13:47.07 | pahartik | jonwil: "hal-device bme" |
| 13:48.59 | jonwil | ok, thanks, that command told me what I want to know |
| 13:49.12 | jonwil | is it normal that the phone takes a while to charge when it is first set up? |
| 13:49.37 | jonwil | and as if by magic it now says "battery full" :) |
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| 13:51.32 | MohammadAG | ok |
| 13:51.38 | MohammadAG | I think my N900 broke |
| 13:51.58 | jonwil | that sucks :( |
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| 13:52.05 | MohammadAG | [ 4367.525939] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered |
| 13:52.10 | pahartik | jonwil: "Desktop Command Execution Widget" is good too, with presets for showing battery status |
| 13:52.11 | MohammadAG | and something else |
| 13:52.15 | MohammadAG | but it shows in screenshots, so |
| 13:52.54 | MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/2rvzl8o.jpg |
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| 13:58.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | who's m.perez? |
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| 14:00.38 | andre__ | who should know without context? |
| 14:01.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | m.perez should ;-) |
| 14:01.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | but to release the suspense: author of filebox |
| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway, kudos. FM done right. Would be awesome to get the whole filebox design and function as a replacement for hildon/qt/whatever fileselector.so, so all apps could profit |
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| 14:16.34 | crashanddie | "Koalas and humans are the only animals with unique fingerprints. Koala prints cannot be distinguished from human fingerprints. Luckily, few koalas pursue a life of crime." |
| 14:16.53 | crashanddie | Something tells me that trying to identify Australian flood bodies using fingerprints might be rendered a tiny bit more difficult |
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| 14:17.46 | Gyjf | i dont think they use fingerprints for that anyway |
| 14:17.58 | Gyjf | i think they use dental records |
| 14:18.20 | lcuk | crashanddie, I am guessing that its pretty easy to distinguish a koala from a human |
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| 14:21.14 | crashanddie | lcuk, depends, do you mean before or after the crocs had lunch? |
| 14:22.34 | toggles | it's been a while since i've had a good koala pie |
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| 14:22.59 | crashanddie | I'm sure the crocs must be thinking the same. |
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| 15:21.52 | diabol | my gamegripper arrived \o/ |
| 15:22.02 | diabol | time to set up the sdk and get some emus to fullspeed |
| 15:22.32 | MohammadAG | you're back :) |
| 15:22.38 | diabol | aye :D |
| 15:22.52 | diabol | you know, in the good ol days we had fullspeed snes emulation on the gp32's 100mhz |
| 15:23.03 | diabol | and drnoksnes is barely managing at 600mhz |
| 15:23.05 | diabol | geez |
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| 15:23.38 | diabol | MohammadAG: any luck with getting the rotation stuff to suck up less cpu power? |
| 15:24.13 | MohammadAG | nah, went to bed :P |
| 15:24.27 | diabol | lol |
| 15:24.32 | MohammadAG | I'll poke around it today |
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| 15:27.22 | diabol | alright, ill see whether i can port some pandora emus |
| 15:27.32 | diabol | the devs other there are hardcore emu coders |
| 15:31.09 | diabol | so much work to do! |
| 15:32.04 | Gyjf | diabol drnoksnes works fine for me without overclocking |
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| 15:42.55 | diabol | Gyjf: aye, cant say its unplayable. with sound, accurate gfx and speedhacks it runs good enough, but eats ~50% cpu @ 600mhz |
| 15:43.10 | diabol | i just want to get rid of that last part :D |
| 15:43.36 | Gyjf | i didnt play with sound tho |
| 15:45.25 | diabol | you really should :D |
| 15:45.32 | diabol | i mean, cmon, the n900 has stereo sound |
| 15:45.37 | diabol | its *meant* for this |
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| 15:46.20 | Gyjf | hehe yea |
| 15:46.45 | Gyjf | just beat the 2nd boss on contra 3 :D |
| 15:47.18 | Gyjf | contra is full of win :D |
| 15:48.00 | joga | after updating to pr1.3 I can't use the camera anymore :( when I try to start it it says operation failed |
| 15:48.19 | joga | I had blessn900 installed earlier so I removed it now to no avail (it never worked properly anyway) |
| 15:48.44 | joga | any tips? |
| 15:48.54 | Gyjf | weird, i get the same :( |
| 15:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you might want to remove it |
| 15:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | *before* |
| 15:49.09 | DocScrutinizer | update |
| 15:49.22 | Gyjf | both with bless and without it fails |
| 15:49.24 | joga | ...for the love of god, I do *not* want to update a third time |
| 15:49.37 | joga | it took me about 4-5 hours last time to get it working proper |
| 15:49.39 | diabol | D: |
| 15:49.47 | diabol | good thing i updated first thing |
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| 15:50.27 | joga | is this cursen900 supposed to break everything |
| 15:50.29 | joga | :) |
| 15:51.07 | joga | I did notice some popup about fcam something in the update while it was reinstalling packages, apparently I don't have fcamera installed though |
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| 15:53.25 | joga | is there supposed to be four instances of /usr/bin/camera-ui running at startup |
| 15:53.47 | joga | (I did try to start it though) |
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| 15:54.38 | Gyjf | also, when i try to launch the flashlight it says camera is in use by some other aplication |
| 15:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | joga: yes |
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| 15:56.31 | diabol | ive got 2 D: |
| 15:57.06 | diabol | also ive got omap3camd running |
| 15:57.16 | joga | DocScrutinizer, so is it a known problem that blessn900 will break the camera? |
| 15:57.47 | Gyjf | will killing those instances help? |
| 15:58.05 | joga | heh I can try |
| 15:58.10 | joga | nothing to lose I guess...fuck |
| 15:58.41 | joga | I doubt it'll help though |
| 15:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | joga: blessn900 is known to be incompatible with new kernels |
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| 15:59.12 | joga | DocScrutinizer, even when it's removed? could reinstalling the (power) kernel have any effect? |
| 15:59.52 | joga | or is there some package to get the 'vanilla' camera back |
| 16:00.03 | diabol | i've got blessn900 working on pr 1.3 o.o |
| 16:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | yes, quite probably will fix the issue, if you uninstall both fcam and blessn900 prior to that - afaik |
| 16:00.05 | joga | in case blessn900 overwrote something |
| 16:00.17 | diabol | let me take a look at fcam.. |
| 16:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | joga: but better ask smebody else here. I'm too tired right ATM to give proper advice |
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| 16:01.21 | joga | DocScrutinizer, ok, thanks a lot |
| 16:01.27 | joga | :) |
| 16:02.08 | joga | ah, in ham I see "fcam-drivers", though I don't think I've ever installed anything related to fcam |
| 16:02.18 | joga | but they're uninstallable so getting rid of them.. |
| 16:02.25 | diabol | fcam-drivers is necessarry for blessn900 |
| 16:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | check tmo for threads about powerkernel and fcam and maybe blessn900. The issue is known and there are ways to fix it |
| 16:02.34 | joga | ok |
| 16:02.39 | ShadowJK | i didn't know blessn900 actually required kernel features |
| 16:02.42 | joga | I'll do the obvious first...let's see |
| 16:02.46 | ShadowJK | oh, it uses fcam, right |
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| 16:03.30 | diabol | joga: did you try unloading the fcam modules from the kernel? |
| 16:03.40 | joga | diabol I just removed them now and rebooting |
| 16:03.44 | diabol | kk |
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| 16:04.14 | Gyjf | id like to fix this without reinstalling the kernel |
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| 16:04.34 | joga | Gyjf, hold on..I'll see if this works |
| 16:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with reinstalling kernels? |
| 16:04.50 | joga | not a big deal really |
| 16:05.23 | Gyjf | i have the custom one with injection/monitormode for wifi |
| 16:05.38 | DocScrutinizer | btw actually you only need to reinstall kernel modules |
| 16:05.58 | Gyjf | uninstalling fcam |
| 16:05.59 | joga | yay it works |
| 16:06.05 | Gyjf | pehw |
| 16:06.07 | joga | uninstalled fcam-drivers and rebooted, now I can cam |
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| 16:06.30 | diabol | \o/ |
| 16:07.00 | Gyjf | while talking about cameras |
| 16:07.09 | Gyjf | how do i use the front facing camera? |
| 16:07.19 | joga | Gyjf, at least skype and mirror use it |
| 16:07.20 | diabol | theres an app called mirror |
| 16:07.38 | Gyjf | can i take pics/video with it? |
| 16:07.54 | diabol | and, how to actually videocall on the n900? |
| 16:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | while the true original mirror app is just a black screen |
| 16:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 16:08.21 | Gyjf | the app installer is slow :( |
| 16:08.32 | diabol | Gyjfget faster app installer |
| 16:08.32 | Gyjf | and the faster one dosnt work |
| 16:08.36 | diabol | its quite fast |
| 16:08.38 | joga | diabol, iirc, you make a skype call and enable it when you're connected |
| 16:08.43 | diabol | it doesnt? |
| 16:08.47 | Gyjf | havnt ever worked for me |
| 16:08.56 | joga | I did try the video call once and it worked ok |
| 16:08.58 | Gyjf | it cant fetch the list |
| 16:08.59 | diabol | joga: alright, but i cant find a way to skype call somebody to his skype account |
| 16:09.31 | joga | diabol hmm? you're online in skype and you've put their skype name in their details? you see some skype call button? |
| 16:09.50 | diabol | yea, but just skype call to their phone numbers |
| 16:09.57 | joga | o_o |
| 16:10.14 | joga | I've never done such a call, I dunno. I don't even have credits |
| 16:10.16 | diabol | also it shows everyone as being offline, even if they're not |
| 16:10.18 | Gyjf | it cant find pskill when i try to install it? |
| 16:10.39 | Gyjf | shouldnt pskill be built in also? |
| 16:10.41 | jhb | mmmh, modest does not fetch emails from my imap account anymore - it tells me it last synchronised yesterday, and nothing changes no matter how often I click on 'send and receive'. Any ideas? (account works fine with thunderbird on laptop) |
| 16:11.07 | diabol | Gyjf: did you try it as root? |
| 16:11.12 | Gyjf | yes |
| 16:11.24 | diabol | hmm |
| 16:11.37 | Gyjf | seems like i cant do anything from non-root |
| 16:11.51 | diabol | wait, whats pskill? |
| 16:11.58 | diabol | how about just kill? |
| 16:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 16:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | never heard pskill |
| 16:12.19 | *** join/#maemo smooph (~smooph@e180154194.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 16:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | or was that the obscure playstation killer app? :-P |
| 16:13.04 | Gyjf | oh crap this is embarasing :( |
| 16:13.11 | *** part/#maemo vantik (~Chris@adsl-99-34-250-242.dsl.rcsntx.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:13.20 | Gyjf | hides under a rock |
| 16:13.33 | diabol | lol |
| 16:13.41 | diabol | been using windows crap too much |
| 16:14.02 | Gyjf | lets never talk about that again... |
| 16:14.41 | diabol | about what? |
| 16:15.46 | Gyjf | about me mixing up kill with the windows pskill |
| 16:15.56 | diabol | psssst |
| 16:16.00 | diabol | lets not talk about that |
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| 16:16.42 | Gyjf | ill try this mirror thing |
| 16:18.58 | diabol | it looks daaaaaark in anything but really bright daylight |
| 16:23.00 | diabol | sweet, frozen bubble runs pretty fast |
| 16:23.11 | diabol | but somebody forgot to test it -_- no touchscreen controls |
| 16:24.52 | Gyjf | bah, its so sloooow |
| 16:24.57 | Gyjf | the program manager |
| 16:25.25 | Gyjf | i should just apt-get everything -_- |
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| 16:28.06 | Gyjf | sweet, there is mumble for it :D |
| 16:28.42 | alterego | All it would take to kmake everyone happy it seems, is an "accidental" leak of all Nokia N900 sources. |
| 16:28.56 | SpeedEvil | alterego: yup. |
| 16:29.18 | alterego | Though, I still think MeeGo is the way forward, but we need more devs improving the core apps. |
| 16:29.27 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Including BT, modem, SoC boot-block, wifi, and all required keys. |
| 16:29.46 | jonwil | Isnt the wifi driver on n900 open? |
| 16:29.46 | SpeedEvil | Oh - and full docs for the above too. |
| 16:29.51 | alterego | So we have a viable future proof FOSS alternative. |
| 16:29.53 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: No. |
| 16:30.00 | jonwil | I thought it was |
| 16:30.04 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I mean the firmware on the various chips. |
| 16:30.08 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 16:30.11 | alterego | SpeedEvil: I'd settle without any docs tbh ;) |
| 16:30.14 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: the firmware on the wifi card is not open. |
| 16:30.17 | Gyjf | the gsm thingy would be nice also |
| 16:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 16:30.49 | SpeedEvil | The chances of the above leaking are ratehr small though. :) |
| 16:30.57 | Gyjf | nah but there is s special kernel/patches to get injection/monitor mode working |
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| 16:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | you couldn't use it even with full source |
| 16:31.07 | pipnuk | javis[tab]... |
| 16:31.30 | Gyjf | so i dont get what else you would need to have the wireless part open for |
| 16:31.36 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: AP mode |
| 16:31.45 | Gyjf | it can do ap mode |
| 16:31.47 | diabol | doesnt that work? |
| 16:31.48 | chem|st | ieatlint: have you got a tracking number for me pls? |
| 16:31.50 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: It can do ad-hoc. |
| 16:32.02 | Gyjf | it can do normal ap too |
| 16:32.24 | alterego | chem|st: mine arrived today, where do you live? |
| 16:32.33 | chem|st | alterego: germany |
| 16:32.46 | chem|st | alterego: that is why I asked |
| 16:32.49 | jonwil | I wonder if there is any interest in replacing closed-source bits of N900 OS with reverse-engineered open bits (specifically for lower-level bits like battery charging) |
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| 16:32.59 | alterego | chem|st: he sent them all out at the same time, so I suspect yours will arrive in the next day or two :) |
| 16:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: there already *is* a replacement for battery charging |
| 16:33.30 | SpeedEvil | Gyjf: I've never tried it - I thought someone said it won't do it. |
| 16:33.33 | alterego | I've used them with his software, works well :D |
| 16:33.44 | jonwil | oh ok, I wasnt aware of the replacement for battery charging |
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| 16:33.52 | chem|st | alterego: that has my mother told me once for a package that was 2 weeks on tour for about 500km... |
| 16:33.55 | alterego | Though, no distrust to him, I checked the source for possible trojan before I ran it ;) |
| 16:34.10 | Gyjf | with the special kernel it can |
| 16:34.18 | Gyjf | you have to donate to get that tho |
| 16:34.32 | chem|st | jonwil: #maemo-ssu |
| 16:34.34 | Gyjf | http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/ |
| 16:35.12 | Gyjf | i managed to get it running with airbase-ng |
| 16:35.21 | alterego | Can never be too careful when using an always on device to read credit card information :D |
| 16:35.28 | jonwil | in any case I have been looking for an excuse to learn ARM assembly and some reverse engineering of closed-source bits of the n900 seems like as good a reason as any :P |
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| 16:36.02 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: yes, there is interest. |
| 16:36.07 | jonwil | Something that I think WOULD be interesting/fun/challenging to reverse engineer would be the binary blob for the GPU |
| 16:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: mce is a worthy target |
| 16:36.11 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: the problem is it's all in one nasty fucking ball. |
| 16:36.16 | jonwil | what is mce for? |
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| 16:37.00 | jonwil | we have all kinds of reverse engineering for desktop GPUs (i.e. noveau etc |
| 16:37.13 | alterego | jonwil: handles policies like power buttons, system ui status (statusbar) pulse audio policies for incomg call routing etc |
| 16:37.15 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: dsme/mce/bme/phone UI/internet connection daemon - it's all one undocumented blob with poor or no documents on the interactions. |
| 16:37.21 | alterego | Monitors modem for sms' I believe |
| 16:37.26 | jonwil | oh ok |
| 16:37.33 | Gyjf | no way :D they have made an opensource ver of jazz jackrabbit :D *nostalgia* |
| 16:37.41 | alterego | bbl |
| 16:37.46 | jonwil | I have never seen anyone interested in reverse engineering mobile/embedded GPUs for some reason |
| 16:38.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:38.03 | Gyjf | cause its hard i think |
| 16:38.34 | alterego | jonwil: I'd be interested, but I don't really have the time :D |
| 16:38.34 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: Yeah - it's a hell of a lot easier for most on a platform where they are familiar. |
| 16:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Reverse engineering embedded stuff - you have to cross the 'it isn't a PC' barrier - which is hard for many. |
| 16:39.25 | jonwil | I think I might grab the relavent binary blobs (once I figured out which blobs I need to look at) and have a poke around in there |
| 16:39.26 | crashanddie | so Nokia lied when in their marketing they said "Mobile PC"? |
| 16:39.36 | alterego | I was bought up around ARM and non PC hardware, coming from an Acorn background |
| 16:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | GPU: no docs. RE GPU-driver: mission impossible |
| 16:39.52 | pipnuk | there's open source battery mgmt available afaict |
| 16:40.01 | pipnuk | just look at the android omap3 source |
| 16:40.14 | alterego | bbl |
| 16:40.16 | jonwil | there is no such thing as "mission impossible" when it comes to reverse engineering |
| 16:40.50 | diabol | pipnuk: does android do anything apart from framebugffer stuff in the gpu, tho? |
| 16:40.53 | diabol | -g |
| 16:40.57 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: I look forward to your reverse engineering of SIM secrets. |
| 16:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | bah, all just use jrbme-draft0, flavour ShadowJK with icing |
| 16:41.26 | pipnuk | diabol: i don't know but this archos A70S is fantastic for battery life |
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| 16:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | jonwil: the RE the cellmo firmware :-P |
| 16:42.57 | jonwil | not interested in the radio firmware |
| 16:43.06 | jonwil | or the SIM card |
| 16:43.16 | DocScrutinizer | or better even: RE NOLO, then RE the key to sign it |
| 16:43.17 | diabol | so whyd you wanna re the gpu parts anyways? |
| 16:43.34 | diabol | lol, anyone read up on how they got the ps3 rootkey? :D |
| 16:43.37 | diabol | funny stuff |
| 16:43.46 | jonwil | I am interested in the GPU parts because they are necessary if one wants working 3D on alternative OS's |
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| 16:44.18 | diabol | alright |
| 16:44.25 | jonwil | and because it fits in with my interest in all things 3D |
| 16:44.35 | diabol | :D |
| 16:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | stskeeps and crew seems has done quite most part of implementing GPU driver for OMAP3430 |
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| 16:45.12 | jonwil | GPU as in frame-buffer or as in 3D? |
| 16:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | asl on #meego-arm |
| 16:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | ask* |
| 16:46.06 | pipnuk | jonwil - a framebuffer isn't a gpu |
| 16:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | and aiui there's something between fb and 3D. Lemme think... was it 2D acceleration? |
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| 16:47.42 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 16:47.47 | MohammadAG | how do i do static linking? |
| 16:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | -static ? |
| 16:48.00 | diabol | :D |
| 16:48.10 | MohammadAG | ty |
| 16:48.36 | diabol | jonwil: ever had a look at openpandora? theyre using the same chip with a community developed linux |
| 16:48.52 | diabol | no clue tho whether they used the ti stuff or reimplemented the driver |
| 16:50.06 | lardman | Ti stuff I imagine |
| 16:50.40 | lardman | while re-implementing the driver is not all that trroublesome I guess, most of the functionality resides in the user-space side support libs and opengl implementation |
| 16:51.02 | DocScrutinizer | gles? |
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| 16:51.12 | jonwil | yeah the driver isn't the hard part, its the x11 libs and the opengl libs |
| 16:51.17 | diabol | glesticulation |
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| 16:51.50 | MN_ | Hi |
| 16:52.01 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 16:52.06 | MohammadAG | -static gives me an error |
| 16:52.09 | MohammadAG | god I hate windows |
| 16:52.12 | MN_ | does anyone know where i could get a maemo 5 rootfs from? |
| 16:52.51 | lardman | docscrutinizer: yeah gles sorry |
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| 16:54.37 | MN_ | anyone? |
| 16:55.58 | MohammadAG | gah |
| 16:56.05 | MohammadAG | QtCore4.dll missing |
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| 16:56.18 | MohammadAG | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com MN_ |
| 16:56.44 | MN_ | cheers MohammadAG :) |
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| 16:58.13 | MN_ | hmm there doesnt seem to be a rootfs for maemo 5 |
| 16:59.18 | MohammadAG | uh, check Maemo 5 |
| 16:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | it's 'zipped' into FIASCO |
| 16:59.22 | MohammadAG | above sources |
| 16:59.45 | jhb | jhb: the answer is to use ip numbers instead of hostnames for the imap server |
| 17:00.27 | diabol | jonwil: check. had a look at the github, pandora does use the ti binaries |
| 17:00.41 | DocScrutinizer | jhb: sounds like something blew chunks in DNS |
| 17:01.17 | MN_ | ah yes but i dont have an n900 so no imei to download :( |
| 17:01.31 | jhb | DocScrutinizer: well, it persistet even after rebootin the n900 and while testing from my laptop using the same dns |
| 17:01.52 | jhb | anyhow, me is happy to be in sync again |
| 17:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | somebody nessed your N900 resolv.conf? |
| 17:02.07 | *** join/#maemo Venemo_N900 (~communi@netacc-gpn-4-247-133.pool.telenor.hu) |
| 17:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | or etc/hosts |
| 17:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | or sth? |
| 17:02.28 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
| 17:02.34 | SpeedEvil | n900 resolv.conf should only point at localhost |
| 17:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:02.42 | SpeedEvil | It uses dnsmasq to do DNS |
| 17:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:03.00 | Venemo_N900 | how can I get the windows live web pages to show me the non-mobile version of the site? |
| 17:03.13 | *** join/#maemo vanadismobile (~Vanadismo@gprs43.swisscom-mobile.ch) |
| 17:03.17 | SpeedEvil | get the user-agent-switcher thingy |
| 17:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | hi SpeedEvil :-) |
| 17:03.43 | MN_ | any ideas :) |
| 17:03.55 | Venemo_N900 | MN_: for what? |
| 17:03.59 | alterego | MohammadAG: how hard would it be to add widget lock mechanism to hd? |
| 17:04.00 | Venemo_N900 | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 17:04.02 | SpeedEvil | hi |
| 17:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: just thought we should start a business with glowrings and gourmet raspberry jam |
| 17:04.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:04.16 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: what mechanism do you mean? |
| 17:04.18 | MN_ | Venemo_N900: hi, well im looking for a maemo 5 rootfs |
| 17:04.29 | Venemo_N900 | MN_: see |
| 17:04.36 | Venemo_N900 | ~flashing |
| 17:04.36 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:04.54 | MohammadAG | alterego, widget lock? |
| 17:05.05 | alterego | Venemo_N900: Basically a button somewhere that says "Lock desktop widgets" which stops you being able to move them accidentally. |
| 17:05.07 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, how do you use windows :P |
| 17:05.14 | MohammadAG | even cmd gives me eyestrain |
| 17:05.33 | MohammadAG | umm, isn't that already done alterego ? |
| 17:05.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hmm? |
| 17:05.35 | MohammadAG | gear thingy |
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| 17:05.45 | MohammadAG | otherwise, mhd has a lock option |
| 17:05.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: which is annoyingly too easy to accidentally press |
| 17:05.57 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: well the widgets can only move when you are in edit mode |
| 17:06.16 | alterego | Yes, I'm talking about a way to disable edit mode. |
| 17:06.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, modified hildon-desktop |
| 17:06.27 | MohammadAG | made less crappy through the SSU |
| 17:06.32 | alterego | It's been requested by a few people. |
| 17:06.38 | jhb | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: the resolv.conf (now) points to 127.0.0.1 |
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| 17:06.49 | MohammadAG | windows's $PATH sucks |
| 17:06.50 | jhb | no idea what it was before that |
| 17:06.52 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: I'll look into it when I get back my laptop |
| 17:06.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes, it's possible |
| 17:06.59 | jhb | ah well, as long as it works |
| 17:07.03 | alterego | MohammadAG: also, I think maybe it might be a good idea to reimplement contacts rather than conversations next. |
| 17:07.20 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: my only OS for now is Maemo :P |
| 17:07.25 | MohammadAG | alterego, there's MyContacts |
| 17:07.31 | MohammadAG | could be improved |
| 17:07.37 | Sicelo | MN_, I wonder if the SDK won't give you what you want :/ At least sdks from other devices tend to contain the filesystem of the target device |
| 17:07.53 | MohammadAG | else, yeah, why not |
| 17:07.55 | alterego | Well, maybe work on that, I want a complete clone :P |
| 17:08.06 | alterego | So we can add groups. |
| 17:08.11 | MohammadAG | or both, since they both tie to each other |
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| 17:08.18 | KnightStalker | !flash |
| 17:08.19 | MohammadAG | actually, it's too bloated |
| 17:08.21 | KnightStalker | ~flash |
| 17:08.21 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 17:08.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah definitelly. |
| 17:08.24 | MohammadAG | (MyContacts) |
| 17:08.31 | crashanddie | "Bhutan police can raid homes of smokers in a search for contraband tobacco and are training a special tobacco sniffer dog in a crackdown to honor a promise to become the world's first smoke-free nation." |
| 17:08.34 | MohammadAG | KnightStalker, you say hi first :P |
| 17:08.54 | alterego | crashanddie: crazy :/ |
| 17:09.14 | lardman | can someone pastebin the output of "apt-cache search dsp" for me please? |
| 17:09.18 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: yay! |
| 17:09.31 | Venemo_N900 | I'd be happy if people wouldn't smoke around me |
| 17:09.34 | lardman | I just saw someone wants dspctl opened, but afaik it's already open and in a curiously named package, whose name I don't remember |
| 17:09.34 | MohammadAG | smoke-free, porn-free, next thing they'll say sex-free, reproduction-free |
| 17:09.41 | MohammadAG | then the UK will get extinct |
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| 17:09.47 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, then don't hang out with the cool people? |
| 17:09.50 | MohammadAG | I suggest they keep smoking allowed |
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| 17:10.10 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, AFAIK, smoking is banned from public places (and most smokers won't light up if they're well behaved, and you ask them not to) |
| 17:10.11 | Venemo_N900 | alterego, MohammadAG: let's finish the mediaplayer reimplementation first |
| 17:10.27 | alterego | ~seen ieatlint |
| 17:10.31 | infobot | ieatlint is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'nah, some woman from arizona that i've never heard of'. |
| 17:10.34 | crashanddie | I know I would never light up in someone's car, house / whatever without asking permission first, and finding an open window or so |
| 17:10.40 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: yeah, however noone tells them off in public places. |
| 17:10.47 | crashanddie | because it's public? |
| 17:10.52 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, I think smoking is a sickness |
| 17:10.54 | alterego | Isn't it supposed to tell me when that was last said? :D |
| 17:10.56 | crashanddie | walk 5 meters? |
| 17:11.19 | pipnuk | don't kill yourself crashanddie - vaporise tobacco if you're addicted |
| 17:11.28 | GAN900 | Venemo_N900, addiction, not sickness. ;) |
| 17:11.31 | pipnuk | tastes way better too - incomparably so |
| 17:11.46 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, if you didn't like the smell/sound of cars, would you ask the cars to drive some other place, or just move along the street? |
| 17:11.56 | Venemo_N900 | GAN900: addiction is a sickness |
| 17:12.02 | crashanddie | and don't tell me car fumes aren't lethal |
| 17:12.12 | MohammadAG | i wonder how much compiling Qt would take |
| 17:12.15 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: I'm not telling you that. |
| 17:12.16 | MohammadAG | much time* |
| 17:12.46 | alterego | It's a choice, and people should have the choice to do what they want as long as it doesn't directly harm others' |
| 17:13.13 | alterego | All you can do is educate people and hope they make informed decisions. More people die from alcohol abuse than smoking. |
| 17:13.31 | alterego | Yet it is much more socially accepted to destroy one self in that regard. |
| 17:13.42 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, I think smokers in the past few years have already given a lot of leeway to non-smokers. We're paying for our own healthcare (taxes), we're going outside a bar/pub to have a fag (alcohol and cigarettes should never be separated -- it's against god's will) |
| 17:14.18 | SpeedEvil | I have major problems with other peoples ciggies - asthma - I'm really, really grateful for the current tide against cigs. |
| 17:14.33 | *** part/#maemo ibansal (~ishan@122.177.146.167) |
| 17:14.38 | crashanddie | in other words: I'm really tired of the smoker-bashing. If you don't smoke, fine, just don't tell me what to do. It's a public space, just shuffle away, or if they're friends, stay inside the pub while they go outside. |
| 17:14.47 | Corsac | maybe the card should go outside to smoke too? |
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| 17:14.50 | Corsac | cars* |
| 17:15.32 | pipnuk | US mil banned smoking in subs now |
| 17:15.46 | crashanddie | and rightly so |
| 17:16.05 | crashanddie | 17SAAP4ZN, once more, and you get a +q |
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| 17:16.40 | pipnuk | vaporizing tastes so much better man |
| 17:16.48 | lardman | not to worry, found it |
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| 17:17.07 | crashanddie | pipnuk, you sound like one of those "don't smoke cocain, snort it man, so much better man" |
| 17:17.13 | crashanddie | yeah man |
| 17:17.16 | pipnuk | haha |
| 17:17.27 | pipnuk | duuude |
| 17:17.41 | crashanddie | duuuuuuuuuuude, don't drink that last mountain dew, duuuude |
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| 17:18.10 | pipnuk | 5000 cycles in Underworld 1 :D |
| 17:18.16 | MohammadAG | can we end the smoking discussion? |
| 17:18.22 | MohammadAG | let's talk about crack instead |
| 17:18.24 | pipnuk | glagly |
| 17:19.05 | crashanddie | pipnuk, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjXzBmAeBo4 |
| 17:19.38 | pipnuk | hehe |
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| 17:23.10 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: (17SAAP4ZN) uh? |
| 17:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | yeah crack |
| 17:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | amazing chemical thing. |
| 17:25.09 | DocScrutinizer | mix baking soda with cocaine to get a completely new thing? weird |
| 17:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | anybody tested smoking baking soda pur? |
| 17:25.42 | MohammadAG | prefers a potassium + warm water drink |
| 17:25.44 | MohammadAG | explosive |
| 17:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | somehow it sounds as weird as injecting marijuana or smoking LSD |
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| 17:28.02 | pipnuk | annybody interested in helping out with hildon on other linux |
| 17:28.17 | alterego | People smoke marijuana laced with lsd quite often |
| 17:28.30 | alterego | It's not uncommon to have enhanced pot |
| 17:28.39 | joga | hah...right |
| 17:28.47 | joga | what a waste of acid |
| 17:29.09 | diabol | gawd, just had the best tetris run so far. lvl21 :D |
| 17:29.23 | SpeedEvil | diabol: you mean 'blocks' ? |
| 17:29.40 | diabol | nah, tetris dx on vgb |
| 17:29.41 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9826 |
| 17:29.42 | povbot | Bug 9826: Blocks collision detection bug |
| 17:29.43 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:29.53 | alterego | Hah |
| 17:29.58 | diabol | lol |
| 17:30.06 | alterego | I'm thinking of writing a 3D tetris game |
| 17:30.21 | alterego | As I've already got all the rendering done :D |
| 17:30.46 | joga | make a 3d of this http://www.geekosystem.com/xkcd-tetris-hell-game/ |
| 17:30.47 | joga | ;) |
| 17:31.07 | diabol | :) |
| 17:31.08 | joga | the base could be a sphere... |
| 17:31.26 | diabol | anyone here familiar with 1d tetris? |
| 17:31.43 | pipnuk | hahahah |
| 17:31.52 | diabol | http://www.tetris1d.org/tetris.php |
| 17:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~xkcd |
| 17:32.18 | infobot | rumour has it, xkcd is http://xkcd.com/ or only the best webcomic of romance, sarcasm, math and language. |
| 17:32.24 | pipnuk | you could implement accelerometer to try to jiggle the blocks into a row |
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| 17:33.35 | diabol | jiggle... and DANCE |
| 17:34.06 | alterego | That's quite cool, the controls are a bit difficult |
| 17:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | W*T*F?!! xkcd.com freezing konqui (js?) on entering a single char to search textbox |
| 17:36.29 | crashanddie | works fine on FF4 |
| 17:37.33 | DocScrutinizer | FSCK google search |
| 17:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, konqui JS is known to not support some mess that may slip through on other browsers |
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| 17:43.48 | Aranel | I'm working on a small python app, but I really wonder how can I add menus to it? I mean, those dropdown menus when you click on the titlebar? |
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| 17:45.54 | Venemo_N900 | Aranel: if you use PyQt, then the regular menus will appear that way |
| 17:47.56 | Aranel | Venemo_N900: Since I'm not any good at Python, I'm using Qt Designer and pyuic4 one-liner. Do you mean "Add toolbar" thing? |
| 17:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: works on FF, just I had a funny effect that suddenly autocompleted textbox to techsupport and didn't allow me to backspace, autocompleting everything faster than I could enter or delete chars :-P |
| 17:48.31 | MohammadAG | today's 1/11/11, just noticed that |
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| 17:48.43 | Venemo_N900 | Aranel: I think there is an add menu bar option in Qt designer |
| 17:48.43 | crashanddie | no, it's 11/01/11 |
| 17:48.54 | MohammadAG | Aranel, QMenuBar |
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| 17:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | so evidently it's google search that has massive shit going on, and just konqui reacts more consistent |
| 17:49.14 | MohammadAG | ok it's 11/1/11 :P |
| 17:49.21 | MohammadAG | at least it's symmetrical that way |
| 17:49.33 | Aranel | Venemo_N900: MohammadAG: thank you! :) |
| 17:50.14 | Venemo_N900 | Aranel: you're welcome. if you have other questions, we'll be happy to answer :) |
| 17:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | suspects google wants to push their new browser, so they introduce "issues" into google search |
| 17:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 18:03.23 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I hate google's search since it automaticaly corrects for typos which are in fact not typos |
| 18:05.56 | MohammadAG | ok, seems someone's working on a Nexus S MeeGo port |
| 18:06.10 | alterego | Venemo_N900: agreed :) |
| 18:06.13 | MohammadAG | might as well jump to it, the only that's annoying is that it lacks a kb |
| 18:06.22 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: yeah, I read it on #meego-arm the other day |
| 18:06.32 | alterego | MohammadAG: MeeGo is better without keyboard than Maemo :D |
| 18:06.54 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: if I were you, I'd wait for a fully working port, especially in the telephony regard |
| 18:07.36 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, the port seems to be progressing faster tha the N900 adaptation |
| 18:07.57 | alterego | This reminds me, I need to find a 2.5mm headphone jack. |
| 18:08.06 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: that's because the guy started it maybe yesterday |
| 18:08.23 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, Nokia started in september i think :P |
| 18:08.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: unless you want to turn to the dark side and use android |
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| 18:08.41 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I meant the nexus port |
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| 18:08.54 | MohammadAG | i know |
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| 18:09.40 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, not turning to any side, I expected to buy a MeeGo device in early january |
| 18:09.54 | smoku | MohammadAG, it's easy to port until you hit the accelerated SGX requirement |
| 18:09.59 | nidO | I think his point is that initial progress is understandably superfast, its niggly "minor" details later on thatll slow it right down |
| 18:10.25 | lardman | well that device is an OMAP |
| 18:10.38 | lardman | so hopefully the N900 binary blob will work too |
| 18:10.58 | lardman | but, I'm not sure I'd be certain enough to buy a phone on the off chance |
| 18:11.01 | MohammadAG | the Nexus S is an OMAP? |
| 18:11.05 | lardman | yeah |
| 18:11.10 | smoku | lardman, since when samsung uses OMAP? :> |
| 18:11.18 | MohammadAG | well, that's another plus |
| 18:11.24 | lardman | oh crap, what am I thinking about then |
| 18:11.25 | MohammadAG | Omnia HD smoku :P |
| 18:11.51 | smoku | MohammadAG, but that's since till ;-) |
| 18:12.06 | smoku | they Hummingbird eats competition ;-) |
| 18:12.37 | lardman | http://pastie.org/1444905 |
| 18:12.37 | MohammadAG | Nokia needs to start announcing and delaying already |
| 18:12.38 | smoku | s/since till/till when/ |
| 18:12.46 | smoku | my english-fu is poor today |
| 18:13.16 | MohammadAG | speak C my friend |
| 18:13.18 | nidO | MohammadAG: that's generally expected to happen in a month though afaik? |
| 18:13.51 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: it is omap4 though, so don't expect N900 driver compatibility |
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| 18:14.20 | MohammadAG | what's OMAP4? |
| 18:14.36 | lardman | dual arm core |
| 18:14.36 | MohammadAG | i thought it wasn't OMAP :s |
| 18:14.36 | diabol | MohammadAG: you mean stop? :P |
| 18:14.38 | MohammadAG | no i know that |
| 18:14.46 | MohammadAG | but what's the device with the OMAP4 |
| 18:14.56 | lardman | ok, I was wrong about nexus s, dunno what I was thinking |
| 18:15.08 | lardman | though it looks like all the rest of the hw is supported which is nice |
| 18:15.09 | smoku | MohammadAG, pandaboard :> |
| 18:15.35 | MohammadAG | smoku, Venemo_N900 mentioned OMAP4, what was the device he meant :p |
| 18:15.44 | MohammadAG | smoku, if you noticed, i'm on #pandaboard :P |
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| 18:16.15 | smoku | MohammadAG, i have a very poor IRC clients. I don't even see people hostnames :> not saying about chans ;-) |
| 18:16.17 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: N900 uses a version of the omap3 soc, and the nexus s has an omap4 |
| 18:16.46 | MohammadAG | I'm confused, i thought someone just said it was a snapdragon |
| 18:16.50 | Venemo_N900 | huhh |
| 18:16.55 | smoku | Venemo_N900, OMAP is a Texas Instruments thingy, not Samsung |
| 18:16.56 | lardman | no it's a hummingbird |
| 18:17.04 | Venemo_N900 | I may be mistaken then |
| 18:17.40 | MohammadAG | eitherway |
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| 18:17.53 | MohammadAG | i envy how other companies announce and release the week after |
| 18:17.54 | Venemo_N900 | wikipedia says, 1 GHz Samsung Hummingbird S5PC110 (ARM Cortex A8) with PowerVR SGX 540 GPU |
| 18:18.06 | diabol | all hail wikipedia |
| 18:18.10 | lardman | ah, so I wasn't wrong, though it was similar hw |
| 18:18.14 | DelphiWorld | hello all |
| 18:18.14 | lardman | too late in the evening |
| 18:18.19 | DelphiWorld | i just got an new n900 |
| 18:18.24 | DelphiWorld | but sadly no text to speech |
| 18:18.28 | DelphiWorld | no screen readability |
| 18:18.30 | DelphiWorld | and i'm blindf |
| 18:18.32 | DelphiWorld | blind* |
| 18:18.36 | DelphiWorld | any work arround it? |
| 18:18.45 | crashanddie | then why the fuck did you buy it? |
| 18:18.56 | DelphiWorld | crashanddie: is a gift. |
| 18:19.02 | diabol | duuuuude |
| 18:19.07 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, be nice |
| 18:19.09 | diabol | not the best idea |
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| 18:19.19 | crashanddie | see, DelphiWorld, I'm not aware of any IRC-enabled screenreaders, that do nick completion |
| 18:19.22 | DelphiWorld | totaly agree with MohammadAG |
| 18:19.25 | lardman | flite, but there's no system-wide integration |
| 18:19.27 | _trine | yes crashanddie that was a crap comment |
| 18:19.31 | SpeedEvil | I'm not aware of any text-speech for n900 DelphiWorld . |
| 18:19.39 | lardman | flite |
| 18:19.39 | crashanddie | he's not blind |
| 18:19.50 | smoku | DelphiWorld, since you asked for workaround... you may install eSpeak. but it's CLI only |
| 18:19.54 | SpeedEvil | DelphiWorld: If I were you, I suspect I'd sell it. |
| 18:20.07 | diabol | id buy it for $100 |
| 18:20.23 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: there is an eSpeak based apps that can read aloud the name of the person who calls you |
| 18:20.25 | diabol | talk about tripping a blind man :D |
| 18:20.42 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: and about speaking menu... :P |
| 18:20.57 | crashanddie | smileys? Really? |
| 18:21.00 | MohammadAG | I'd go for an android or an iPhone |
| 18:21.00 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: I don't know of any way, sorry. |
| 18:21.06 | MohammadAG | better apps for this kind of thing |
| 18:21.12 | DelphiWorld | hehe |
| 18:21.17 | DelphiWorld | allready have nexus one |
| 18:21.23 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: umm, what's the problem? |
| 18:21.27 | SpeedEvil | There is _no_ speech support in the normal user interface. At all. You'd have to convince someone to add it. And much of the bits are closed-source only, so only nokia can. |
| 18:21.58 | SpeedEvil | DelphiWorld: And nokia are not interested in doing further development on maemo - so the chances of this are approximately zero. |
| 18:22.00 | pahartik | crashanddie: I know blind person who uses "Irssi" |
| 18:22.01 | peetah | hi all |
| 18:22.16 | SpeedEvil | I know several blind people that use IRC. |
| 18:22.17 | peetah | I just got on of those annoying ads call |
| 18:22.26 | SpeedEvil | One that uses a screen reader at 600wpm |
| 18:22.29 | Venemo_N900 | well there is a11y (accessiblility) code in HD, but I don't know of a GUI that enables it |
| 18:22.35 | peetah | any one know of a *working* call and sms blacklister ? |
| 18:22.42 | diabol | maybe you could hook up a braille device using usb host mode and do everything from the terminal :D |
| 18:22.49 | Robot101 | SpeedEvil: you can look up incoming callers in the address book and tts them pretty easily... |
| 18:23.02 | DelphiWorld | diabol: yes but do the kernel support it? |
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| 18:23.10 | peetah | I tries catblock but it does not seem to be effective |
| 18:23.17 | peetah | *tried |
| 18:23.34 | SpeedEvil | Robot101: sure. But 99.99% of the normal UI is useless. Even making a call is going to be nearly impossible. |
| 18:23.35 | diabol | DelphiWorld: just kidding, its not worth the effort |
| 18:23.36 | DelphiWorld | http://top10.com/mobilephones/news/2010/01/android_dual_boot_for_n900/ |
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| 18:24.23 | pipnuk | cool, we can still buy incandescent bulbs in germany |
| 18:24.34 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: well since it is brand new, I'd sell it right away. |
| 18:24.34 | diabol | pipnuk high five |
| 18:24.39 | DelphiWorld | and doe there is ebooks reader but tts! |
| 18:24.49 | pipnuk | :) |
| 18:24.49 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: ;) |
| 18:24.51 | Robot101 | SpeedEvil: oh sorry, I thought someone was asking specifically to read incoming caller names |
| 18:25.09 | Robot101 | the general a11y of the code is terrible - you'd have to dig around a lot in hildon and hildon-desktop to get anywhere :( |
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| 18:26.28 | Jaffa | Robot101: Something only going to get harder with QML, I suspect. |
| 18:26.38 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: apparently the N900 was not designed for visually impaired people, sorry |
| 18:26.45 | Gyjf | is there a way to enter a WPA hash for a network instead of the key on the n900? |
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| 18:27.06 | Gyjf | the wpa key editor dosnt seem to work with maemo5 |
| 18:27.11 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: honestly... no only n900 but all nokia products is not for blind people |
| 18:28.10 | pipnuk | a lot of males have some degree of color blindness |
| 18:28.32 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: yeah, although it is hard to imagine any meaningful way to operate a touchscreen without seeing its contents |
| 18:28.54 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: ok, go try iPhone VoiceOver and android TalkBack |
| 18:29.14 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: why would I? |
| 18:29.15 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: i use nexus one with issue less usage |
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| 18:29.38 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: I have perfect eyesight, so no need |
| 18:30.07 | diabol | "perfect eyesight" |
| 18:30.24 | Venemo_N900 | yes |
| 18:30.35 | diabol | you dont wear glasses? |
| 18:30.46 | Venemo_N900 | no, I don't |
| 18:30.59 | DelphiWorld | i think nokia never think about blind people... only ^^ ^^^^^^^^^^^^ $$$$$$$$$ |
| 18:31.08 | lcuk | Jaffa, qml has translation functions in. when i have a hand free i will dig |
| 18:31.35 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: okay, so then sell the phone for $$$ and stop whining. |
| 18:31.43 | DelphiWorld | doe the GUI in n900 maemo is QT? |
| 18:31.59 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: yes, it supports Qt |
| 18:32.14 | DelphiWorld | Venemo_N900: but the original gui is qt or gtk? |
| 18:32.14 | diabol | Venemo_N900: dude, do you at least have a beard? o.O |
| 18:32.19 | crashanddie | but most of the GUI is GTK, not Qt |
| 18:32.54 | Venemo_N900 | diabol: not right now |
| 18:33.16 | lcuk | Jaffa, timeless answered http://mg.pov.lt/meego-irclog/%23meego.2010-12-27.log.html#t2010-12-27T21:57:26 |
| 18:33.28 | diabol | Venemo_N900: duuuuuude, beard up |
| 18:33.35 | MohammadAG | ffsi |
| 18:33.42 | MohammadAG | Qt's still compiling |
| 18:33.54 | Venemo_N900 | diabol: sometimes I grow it, then cut it when I'm bored of it |
| 18:33.59 | DelphiWorld | doe N900 support FM radio? |
| 18:34.08 | Sicelo | ~ffsi |
| 18:34.16 | MohammadAG | ffs* |
| 18:34.17 | Venemo_N900 | DelphiWorld: yes |
| 18:34.37 | jacekowski | DelphiWorld: unless it's hk version |
| 18:34.47 | jacekowski | or some asian version |
| 18:35.38 | diabol | DelphiWorld: what gives? no offense, but the n900 is pretty much useless to you |
| 18:36.03 | kerio | ? |
| 18:36.14 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: today i'm packing. I'm going away from home. there's a wedding, and i'm invited :) |
| 18:36.51 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp, mazal tov |
| 18:37.08 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: yeah, we'll be wishing them that soon :) |
| 18:37.17 | lcuk | ++ thankfully you already pre answered jaffas question so its all good. have a great time \o |
| 18:37.40 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 18:37.56 | DelphiWorld | :P |
| 18:37.58 | timeless_mbp | tries to figure out how to transfer an ssh private key to an ideapad |
| 18:38.09 | Sicelo | ~ffs |
| 18:38.10 | infobot | hmm... ffs is for f**k's sake, or for fine's sake. UCB's Fast File System |
| 18:38.11 | MohammadAG | scp :P |
| 18:38.21 | jaska | find first set (bit) |
| 18:38.21 | DelphiWorld | diabol: useless... but i will chalenge myself maybe helping other blind persons with my experiance |
| 18:38.47 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 18:38.52 | smoku | DelphiWorld, you may install android on it though. |
| 18:38.53 | timeless_mbp | so, i just opened an at&t trouble ticket |
| 18:38.56 | crashanddie | OK, I was hoping to wait this storm out, but it seems I'm going to get drenched. Wish me luck, (I really need to get new tyres on the bike) |
| 18:38.58 | timeless_mbp | you know what i forgot to get? |
| 18:39.00 | DelphiWorld | smoku: yep |
| 18:39.06 | timeless_mbp | the phone number where i should use the ticket :) |
| 18:40.06 | diabol | DelphiWorld whatevs |
| 18:40.27 | DelphiWorld | diabol: ? |
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| 18:42.57 | DelphiWorld | what about a fm transmiter? |
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| 18:44.31 | crashanddie | DelphiWorld, yes, but the quality isn't amazing |
| 18:45.04 | DelphiWorld | crashanddie: any page for guide to install android on it? |
| 18:45.20 | crashanddie | DelphiWorld, sorry, don't know of any worthwhile reference material |
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| 18:47.51 | lirakis_ | DelphiWorld, hello |
| 18:48.01 | DelphiWorld | hi lirakis_! |
| 18:48.07 | lirakis_ | bye |
| 18:48.21 | DelphiWorld | hehe lirakis_ |
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| 18:50.10 | pipnuk | ahh |
| 18:55.07 | DelphiWorld | i think i'm going to flash it with android |
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| 18:56.09 | DelphiWorld | what Os nokia C7 is runing? |
| 18:56.49 | SpeedEvil | symbian |
| 18:56.58 | diabol | i found it \o/ |
| 18:57.18 | diabol | skype video call only is an option if you open the contacts from phone app |
| 18:58.20 | MohammadAG | you can also tap the title bar and turn on video |
| 18:59.09 | diabol | aye |
| 18:59.32 | diabol | the problem before was that if you open up contacts it doesnt list the option to call via skype |
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| 19:04.57 | dRbiG | hmm, any app for maemo to somehow controll powerpoint as pointer? via bluetooth or (but less diserable) via wifi/network? |
| 19:05.14 | Oli`` | Would it be unreasonable to expect to be able to install/run a N900 application (as it is, from a package) on a standard x86 desktop Linux machine? |
| 19:05.35 | trx | Oli`` yes |
| 19:05.37 | wmarone | yes, mostly because any N900 package will be ARM |
| 19:05.43 | wmarone | and not x86 |
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| 19:06.03 | dRbiG | Oli``: first packages for arm, then some specific maemo libs |
| 19:06.27 | dRbiG | and then some maemo messy hackery :) |
| 19:06.45 | trx | not so much the libs but entierly diffrent CPU architecture.. |
| 19:07.09 | Oli`` | How about a virtualised/emulated ARM/Maemo environment running on top of a x86/x86_64 environment? |
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| 19:07.23 | trx | that can be done |
| 19:07.31 | trx | via scratchbox |
| 19:07.59 | trx | you can get it at maemo.org |
| 19:09.45 | MohammadAG | why do you want to do that anyway |
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| 19:19.32 | lardman | any mBarcode users here? |
| 19:21.44 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I installed it once. |
| 19:21.53 | lardman | and why did you uninstall it? |
| 19:21.59 | SpeedEvil | It seemed to work. I haven't got it installed right now. |
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| 19:22.22 | dRbiG | oh and btw. as i still remember - anyone had problems with theme(changer/editor/whatever-its-name-is) like the desktop shortcut icons' backgrounds disappearing? the only fix i found was to uninstall the app and change the theme a few times... |
| 19:22.23 | SpeedEvil | lardman: because I was't likely to do the required scripting to make it do something useful, and I had way too much shit installed. |
| 19:22.25 | lardman | ok, so not something I did wrong then, other than not providing a useful plugin for you :) |
| 19:22.37 | lardman | oh crap, so it was my fault |
| 19:22.40 | lardman | oh dear :) |
| 19:23.05 | lardman | curses the Qt documentation on DBus |
| 19:23.09 | SpeedEvil | lardman: i found a tesco API now that lets me search on barcodes - looks interesting. |
| 19:23.19 | SpeedEvil | lardman: Though above caveats apply... |
| 19:23.25 | lardman | that could probably be pulled into a nice easy Python plugin |
| 19:23.29 | lardman | but yeah |
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| 19:24.51 | lardman | I was actually going to add DBus broadcast back into mBarcode and was looking for someone to test it as my N900 is broken |
| 19:25.08 | lardman | I need to write the code first though, so no rush |
| 19:26.25 | SpeedEvil | :/ getting it fixed? |
| 19:26.46 | SpeedEvil | I could probably setup a ssh or something, if needed. |
| 19:26.51 | lardman | waiting for Quim to get back to me |
| 19:26.55 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:27.10 | SpeedEvil | What died? |
| 19:27.20 | lardman | touchscreen, LCD works, but no input |
| 19:27.30 | SpeedEvil | Oh yeah - I remember now. |
| 19:27.43 | SpeedEvil | Can you use BT mouse? |
| 19:27.53 | lardman | dunno, do they work? |
| 19:27.54 | SpeedEvil | I seem to recall someone saying that sort-of-worked. |
| 19:28.01 | SpeedEvil | I dunno |
| 19:28.03 | lardman | hmm, might have to get one then |
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| 19:28.09 | lardman | otherwise I guess the usb host hack |
| 19:28.17 | SpeedEvil | Please investigate first - I've not tried it |
| 19:28.35 | lardman | yep will do don't worry, thanks for the idea though |
| 19:29.02 | SpeedEvil | lardman: you have a conference one? |
| 19:29.08 | lardman | pre-conference |
| 19:29.15 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 19:29.21 | lardman | apparently in warranty :) |
| 19:29.31 | lardman | so I could just send it in I guess |
| 19:29.42 | lardman | but thought I'd ask the powers that be first |
| 19:29.44 | pahartik | wants to know if anyone has "maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_ppc" installed |
| 19:31.50 | lardman | does not |
| 19:35.19 | pahartik | lardman: I would try whether binary works on "MacOS X 10.4" even though package is set to require "MacOS X 10.5" |
| 19:37.52 | lardman | pahartik: not me |
| 19:38.12 | lardman | I don't have any Mac boxes I'm afraid# |
| 19:38.23 | lardman | or are you saying that's what you want to do? |
| 19:38.52 | lardman | in which case it's probably possible to force installation, which I had to do on my 64bit Linux box |
| 19:40.08 | lardman | finds DBus docs rather confusing |
| 19:40.23 | RST38h | lardman: it is programmed with cut&paste. |
| 19:40.32 | lardman | :) |
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| 19:43.26 | pahartik | lardman: What I am looking for is "flasher" to use to upgrade "Nokia N900 Maemo fremantle PR1.2" |
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| 19:49.50 | alterego | ~flashing |
| 19:49.50 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:54.20 | alterego | Lame, so I have to wait for this package to get imported into -testing before I can promote the next one. |
| 19:54.30 | alterego | (the next package depends on it) |
| 19:54.40 | alterego | That means it's going to take like half an hour :/ |
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| 19:55.50 | pipnuk | wowwww. Underworld is still very playable with stretching and hq2x filter |
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| 19:56.05 | pipnuk | O_o |
| 19:56.10 | pipnuk | gorgeous |
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| 19:56.23 | pipnuk | what a great day |
| 19:56.26 | nox- | on... n900? |
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| 19:56.40 | pipnuk | archos a70s |
| 19:56.43 | nox- | ah |
| 19:56.55 | pipnuk | but n900 + disabled pulseaudio would be similar |
| 19:57.03 | pipnuk | @ 1000mhz |
| 19:57.40 | pipnuk | underworld really benefits from the dirty rectangles rendering |
| 19:57.41 | pahartik | alterego: Upgrade would be easier if "SSU" was offered, but there is no known indication about what is missing... |
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| 20:04.36 | Aranel | MohammadAG: I couldnt find the menu thing :| Can you help me about it? :) |
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| 20:12.20 | Aranel | wonders how to create a QMenuBar (dropdown menu that appears when clicked on app title) on Qt 4 Designer.. |
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| 20:13.59 | alterego | Aranel: just make a proper application menu and hildon renders it like that. |
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| 20:14.36 | Aranel | alterego: I'm a newbie to Python, Qt and its designer, so I don't know to make a proper app menu :| How to do that? |
| 20:14.36 | alterego | Aranel: you use QMainWindows' menu bar btw .. |
| 20:14.58 | alterego | Hrm, I'll see if I can dig up a how-to, ang-on |
| 20:15.09 | alterego | You're using PyQt? |
| 20:15.50 | alterego | Hrm, I might have to write one :P |
| 20:18.56 | Aranel | alterego: I'm using Qt Designer and doing pyuic4 -x vodasms.ui -o vodasmsui.py |
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| 20:19.26 | alterego | Hrm, let me see how to do it in Creator then. |
| 20:19.44 | Aranel | alterego: :p somehow I found it by accident. Designer calls them "Toolbars" |
| 20:19.51 | Aranel | yay ^^ thanks :) |
| 20:20.19 | alterego | No, not toolbars, it's the QMainWindows' menubar |
| 20:20.25 | alterego | I hope you're using a QMainWindow btw |
| 20:21.12 | alterego | Ah, it's pretty easy. |
| 20:22.01 | alterego | Create a QMainWindow form in Qt Designer, click on the "menubar" item in the object explorer to the right of the editor. Then at the bottom there's a pane with a tab called "Action Editor" use that to create items. |
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| 20:23.41 | Aranel | alterego: object explorer doesn't have any menubar item on mine. |
| 20:23.52 | pipnuk | heh 4 fps in Arena |
| 20:23.59 | alterego | Have you created a QMainWindow ? |
| 20:24.54 | MohammadAG | Aranel, using Qt Designer? |
| 20:25.09 | Aranel | alterego: New Form > Main Window? I'm already using it. |
| 20:25.12 | Aranel | MohammadAG: yes. |
| 20:25.14 | trx | is there any way i can config the front camera? (brightness) |
| 20:25.36 | MohammadAG | Aranel, in the side bar, select the mainwindow, right click it, create menu bar |
| 20:25.39 | alterego | MohammadAG: has probably more experience with designer than me :) |
| 20:25.55 | alterego | I'm more of a hands on man :D |
| 20:25.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, dontcha call me a noob! |
| 20:26.01 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 20:26.08 | alterego | Hah :D |
| 20:26.21 | Aranel | MohammadAG: It has "add toolbar" and "create status bar" options. |
| 20:27.05 | Aranel | add toolbar option already adds menus compatible with Hildon btw. When I touch to them nothing happens, I guess now it's something to do with actions. |
| 20:27.24 | alterego | Aranel: yes |
| 20:27.27 | MohammadAG | Aranel, |
| 20:27.38 | MohammadAG | do you have the Type here thingy at the top? |
| 20:27.41 | MohammadAG | of the mainwindow |
| 20:28.41 | MohammadAG | I am never, working on windows again |
| 20:28.57 | Aranel | MohammadAG: guess not. It's showing up as Object Inspector, seperated as Object and Class, nothing at the top of it. |
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| 20:50.08 | pahartik | trip0: I think it is provided by "pc-connectivity-manager" |
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| 20:50.53 | trip0 | pahartik, i don't see it as an exposed profile when I pair with it :( |
| 20:51.20 | epp | hey, so i was dumb and installed multiboot. how do i switch back to just the enhanced kernel |
| 20:57.00 | pahartik | trip0: What I do is just execute "sudo pand --role PANU --connect 0C:DD:EF:5B:B7:BB --auth --secure --encrypt --device 00:02:72:16:18:6F" and then "sudo ifup br2" on workstation |
| 20:58.18 | trip0 | ahh |
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| 20:58.53 | trip0 | so pand just isn't running by default |
| 20:59.23 | trip0 | and/or isn't running in the right role |
| 20:59.48 | trip0 | pahartik, wouldn't you want "--role NAP" though? |
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| 21:01.46 | pahartik | trip0: "br2" bridge contains "bnep0"... On mobile device, I have to "ip link set dev bnep0", "ip addr add 2001:14b8:15a:0:edd:efff:fe5b:b7bb/64 dev bnep0", "killall radvd", "/opt/radvd-1.6/usr/sbin/radvd --config /opt/radvd-1.6/etc/radvd-mobile.conf" |
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| 21:03.07 | pahartik | trip0: Well, no... "Nokia N900" is my mobile network IPv6 router and Bluetooth PAN... |
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| 21:03.42 | trip0 | oh |
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| 21:10.49 | pahartik | trip0: Did you expected something of opposite kind? |
| 21:11.36 | trip0 | pahartik, no, i'm just trying to make sense of this document: http://bluez.sourceforge.net/contrib/HOWTO-PAN |
| 21:11.37 | pahartik | trip0: Did you expect something of opposite kind? |
| 21:11.39 | pipnuk | open source arena gfx engine http://www.tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=8516 |
| 21:12.57 | MohammadAG | nsfw, andwobble http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hFN9OVqvGI4 |
| 21:15.23 | pahartik | trip0: I think same package does provide GUI for connecting to Bluetooth PAN router, though it is somewhat cryptic... |
| 21:17.25 | piggz | lo....no matter what i do with a debian/contrl file...dpkg-checkbuilddeps always returns a syntax error....im using scratchbox, and im sure the file is fine, any ideas? |
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| 21:18.17 | MohammadAG | windows line breaks |
| 21:18.19 | MohammadAG | probably |
| 21:20.04 | piggz | MohammadAG: not likely, havnt used windows in years :) |
| 21:25.30 | piggz | MohammadAG: it was way easier building a package for a smake project...just let cpack do it automagically ;) |
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| 21:45.25 | piggz | ok, i wonder if its because im missing dh_make ... within scratchbox i have debhelper installed, but listing the contents with dpkg -L debhelper, dh_make isnt included? |
| 21:47.11 | epp | kernel-power wont install.. |
| 21:47.31 | epp | power-kernel |
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| 22:22.54 | Gyjf | have anyone managed to get ettercap-ng to work? |
| 22:23.06 | Gyjf | it says command not found via terminal |
| 22:23.09 | Gyjf | as root ofc |
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| 22:30.21 | piggz | MohammadAG: ok, fixed by running dh_make outside of sb to ensure the files are correct |
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| 23:11.33 | blue_led | any chance to find debug symbols @ bme_RX-51 ? |
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| 23:20.52 | alterego | blue_led: nope :P |
| 23:23.36 | blue_led | start to construct one. i ask because i don't want to invent "hot water". |
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| 23:32.13 | alterego | blue_led: eh? construct debugging symbols? |
| 23:32.28 | alterego | bme is a closed binary |
| 23:32.39 | alterego | What are you actually trying to do? |
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| 23:33.13 | nox- | maybe it could be loaded into ida? |
| 23:35.23 | jacekowski | it can be loaded into ida |
| 23:35.29 | jonwil | What could be loaded into IDA? |
| 23:35.33 | jacekowski | bme |
| 23:35.39 | jacekowski | but symbols are not there |
| 23:35.42 | jonwil | ok |
| 23:35.49 | jacekowski | blue_led: what are you trying to achieve |
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| 23:48.56 | jonwil | Are there any kernel options I should enable to get the most out of my N900 on linux? (or any kernel options that will help with development for it)? |
| 23:50.47 | alterego | jonwil: depends what you're developing. |
| 23:51.04 | jonwil | just general software |
| 23:51.10 | alterego | If you're developing something that requires an absent kernel module then yes. |
| 23:51.29 | jonwil | I dont mean the kernel on the N900, I mean the kernel on my desktop |
| 23:51.35 | jonwil | i.e. things to turn on so I can talk to the N900 |
| 23:51.40 | alterego | Why would that do anything? |
| 23:51.55 | alterego | Well, usb networking is basically all you really need. |
| 23:52.01 | jonwil | ok |
| 23:52.26 | alterego | And if you're using a relatively new distro you should be fine out-of-the-box. |
| 23:52.52 | jonwil | well its a recent Gentoo build |
| 23:53.29 | alterego | God knows then :P |
| 23:54.37 | MrBawb | pahartik: did you install pand from a package or build it yourself? |
| 23:55.40 | jonwil | which USB networking option do I need? |
| 23:57.55 | pahartik | MrBawb: Maemo does not seem to have "pand" but newer BlueZ implementation of PAN |
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