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| 01:04.52 | dotblank | hmm having a Qicon in a mdoelview seems to really slow things down |
| 01:04.58 | dotblank | modelview* |
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| 01:08.30 | mikki-kun | hm, have the tracker-database files changed their place where they used to be? |
| 01:08.59 | mikki-kun | and if not, can somebody tell me how they were named? |
| 01:09.06 | lcuk | dotblank, for which part is the slowness coming? |
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| 01:09.57 | lcuk | is it extracting the icon data from the model, or mere fact you have an icon on the view? |
| 01:10.19 | dotblank | lcuk, I can't exactly place it but my custom QAbstractTableModel is very sluggish in the tableview |
| 01:10.20 | lcuk | (ie, is it as slow if you have a single static icon that does not change to data) |
| 01:10.28 | dotblank | I think its because the fact the icon is three |
| 01:10.32 | dotblank | there |
| 01:10.55 | dotblank | I made it so on each data request it pulls a pointer to the qvariant holding the icon |
| 01:10.56 | lcuk | does it require conversion to extract it out of your model? |
| 01:11.01 | lcuk | ahh |
| 01:11.07 | dotblank | so its not like its loading a new icon everytime it fetches data |
| 01:11.26 | lcuk | and what is the native data type it then gets converted to? |
| 01:11.32 | lcuk | a QImage? |
| 01:12.20 | dotblank | its just a .png file in a qrc file.. I construct the icon in the constructor of the class and a build a qvariant on the data request |
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| 01:12.58 | lcuk | why do you use QVariant if the datatype is known? |
| 01:13.23 | dotblank | well I have to return Qvaraint to fit the abstract table model implementation |
| 01:13.45 | dotblank | QVariant playlist::data(const QModelIndex &index, int role) const |
| 01:13.58 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:13.58 | dotblank | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:14.18 | dotblank | I wonder if its converting the icon into somethign usable by QVariant each time |
| 01:14.54 | lcuk | well to work that out, store it as a qvariant inside play object |
| 01:15.08 | dotblank | yup, was just about to do that |
| 01:15.08 | lcuk | but theres other heavy things going on there |
| 01:15.48 | dotblank | http://pastebin.com/PcLf9XtY |
| 01:16.03 | dotblank | maybe there is something really time consuming going on |
| 01:17.03 | lcuk | dotblank, how many times does ::data(...) get called? once per *visible* cell on screen at that time? |
| 01:17.16 | lcuk | or once per visible uninitialised cell? |
| 01:17.35 | lcuk | (ie, does it cache the cell data whilst its on screen |
| 01:17.48 | dotblank | when ever the tableModel updates.. it seems when a show() or anytime asomeone clicks the individual cell |
| 01:17.55 | dotblank | its slowest during dragging |
| 01:18.02 | lcuk | yeah for sure |
| 01:18.17 | dotblank | I also think it may be related to edit mode trying to call drag methods and thats not there |
| 01:18.19 | lcuk | so it is intelligent enough to only request visual items |
| 01:18.40 | dotblank | lcuk, yea I think so |
| 01:18.46 | lcuk | ie on a 10k list it only wants data from 25 visible rows |
| 01:18.52 | lcuk | or similar |
| 01:19.09 | MohammadAG | dotblank, try using a QPixmap |
| 01:19.09 | dotblank | lcuk, yea and you can actually send an update signal to tell the model to update modelindexes |
| 01:19.37 | MohammadAG | actually, sec |
| 01:19.59 | MohammadAG | have a look at http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/nowplayingindicator.cpp |
| 01:20.12 | MohammadAG | it does a repaint every 100ms, and doesn't slow down scrolling |
| 01:20.26 | MohammadAG | though I'm sure you're not doing it every 100ms |
| 01:20.55 | dotblank | I think whats really going on is that I didn't have edit mode off on my tableview |
| 01:21.04 | dotblank | so its trying to send edit methods |
| 01:21.28 | dotblank | and because of kinetic scrolling drag and drop is really slow/buggy |
| 01:21.36 | lcuk | its probably just qt being a bitch |
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| 01:21.54 | dotblank | well it doesn't happen with QStandardItemModels |
| 01:21.58 | lcuk | any chance you could make a simple testcase highlighting this |
| 01:22.14 | dotblank | well I think its my fault |
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| 01:22.34 | lcuk | MohammadAG, why are you only refreshing 1/10 second? |
| 01:22.39 | lcuk | instead of on demand |
| 01:22.44 | dotblank | or the QVariant really doesn't support QIcon and each time it calls QVaraint(QIcon()) it does some conversion |
| 01:22.47 | MohammadAG | lcuk, cause it's animated |
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| 01:23.09 | jef91 | Anyone had any luck getting yahoo! mail working on the n900? |
| 01:23.19 | jef91 | Tried a couple methods I've found online and yet to have one work |
| 01:24.24 | dotblank | does yahoo support imap? |
| 01:24.31 | jef91 | No idea. |
| 01:24.44 | jef91 | Girlfriend's POS email account. Wish she would change to gmail xD |
| 01:25.08 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk: huh? |
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| 01:25.51 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, he Thanked! my facepalm post :P |
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| 01:28.12 | dotblank | lcuk, I tried some of the changes |
| 01:28.15 | dotblank | no dice |
| 01:28.16 | pupnik | any of you remember an xkbd layout with arrow keys? |
| 01:28.43 | lcuk | dotblank, try just not assigning icon for a test |
| 01:31.40 | dotblank | lcuk, ok just did.. the icon doesn't seem to effect it at all |
| 01:31.44 | dotblank | its something.. else |
| 01:31.50 | AndrewX192 | http://www.speedtest.net/result/1103286387.png ! |
| 01:32.11 | dotblank | brb I smell something burning |
| 01:32.15 | lcuk | dotblank, simple testcase is best. remove the problem from the bulk of your code |
| 01:32.18 | lcuk | eek |
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| 01:37.11 | dotblank | back |
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| 01:37.22 | dotblank | well looks like i'll have to work this out later |
| 01:37.43 | dotblank | thanks for all your help lcuk and MohammadAG |
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| 03:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | BOOOOOOOO |
| 03:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 03:24.02 | infobot | Since Sun Jan 9 00:52:05 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 10 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 2h 31m 57s this session, and currently reference 117631 factoids. I'm using about 15216 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21.12/0.94 child 0/0 |
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| 04:35.45 | new-n900 | i've loaded several movies to my new n900, but a few of them say that the audio codec is unsupported. is there a player (like vlc) that plays almost all formats? |
| 04:35.59 | beford | mplayer |
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| 04:37.09 | Arkenoi | is there a proper way to relaunch mycontacts widget on boot without manual intervention? |
| 04:37.15 | chx | funny in my experience (though on PC) vlc played more than mplayer |
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| 04:44.05 | Termana | good morning |
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| 05:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | good morning :-D |
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| 07:37.44 | pupnik | nice, dawnmist finished her angband-sdl port http://www.dawnmist.net/angband/ |
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| 08:51.48 | pupnik | pokes jav..[tab]... :/ |
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| 09:15.00 | trumee | it sucks to find cpu usage is 20% higher on a streaming ogg stream compared to an mp3 stream |
| 09:15.39 | pupnik | there are alternative low-cpu ogg decoders |
| 09:15.43 | pupnik | taiwanese manufacturer announces dual-dpad handhelds http://www.golem.de/1101/80598.html |
| 09:15.46 | pupnik | looks like the pupnik 770 |
| 09:16.15 | trumee | pupnik, do they work with mediaplayer? |
| 09:16.35 | pupnik | i don't think anyone has tried |
| 09:17.29 | trumee | pupnik, iirc there was an article comparing ogg decoders but there was no info on how to install the decoder |
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| 09:18.15 | pupnik | i'm sure some people would appreciate such a thing |
| 09:18.19 | pupnik | if you do it |
| 09:22.11 | trumee | dsp supported, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/ |
| 09:23.15 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... I think Rockbox uses gstreamer.. so if this DSP-based ogg decoder uses that... |
| 09:25.26 | trumee | RobbieThe1st, tmo seems to suggest lardman knows a bit about it. and it doesnt work at present |
| 09:25.37 | RobbieThe1st | darn |
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| 09:37.36 | trumee | RobbieThe1st, http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/gst-av-0-3-better-performance-for-vorbis-and-mp3/ |
| 09:38.14 | MohammadAG | hates independant maemo sites |
| 09:38.23 | MohammadAG | have all releases under tmo |
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| 09:41.51 | FIQ|n900 | is the bug which when items in a select box with different values but same name, microB always selects the first one, known? |
| 09:42.02 | FIQ|n900 | and if not, how do i file a bug? |
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| 10:34.32 | toresbe | Hey, I'm having I/O errors with my SDHC card. :( |
| 10:34.50 | toresbe | Any quick hints for me..? |
| 10:35.16 | toresbe | Sequential accessing works fine. I can dd without triggering errors, but random accessing causes I/O errors. |
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| 10:36.01 | toresbe | [44952.705322] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 13099008, nr 8, card status 0xc00 |
| 10:36.10 | toresbe | Any way of interpreting this? |
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| 10:40.34 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 10:40.39 | timeless_mbp | kicks something |
| 10:41.26 | timeless_mbp | oh... that's right, windows 7's address book lets you search by phone number :o |
| 10:41.40 | timeless_mbp | (ovi suite's phone number search is limited to the first phone number in a contact |
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| 10:47.34 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 10:47.42 | timeless_mbp | wonders just how stupid conversations is |
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| 10:53.44 | zlimvos | hey guys, i'm about to travel to asia for a month, i was looking for a software that will help me locate myself on the map offline, and apparently there are so many nowdays. (such as maep). any opinions which one to choose if not maep? |
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| 10:54.29 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: ping |
| 10:54.36 | timeless_mbp | pong |
| 10:55.05 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: did you know about a scrolling bug in MicroB? |
| 10:55.12 | timeless_mbp | on phone |
| 10:55.51 | Venemo_N900 | k |
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| 11:05.24 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: it is a rather annoying bug. could you confirm it? |
| 11:05.37 | timeless_mbp | describe? |
| 11:06.41 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: open the bookmarks window |
| 11:07.15 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: scroll down just a little bit so that only the half of the bottom-most item is visible |
| 11:07.18 | timeless_mbp | has 0 browser windows open and launches 'Browser' which yields a 'Browser Bookmarks' window with a location bar |
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| 11:07.55 | timeless_mbp | ok, half of Bug me not (something) is visible |
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| 11:09.55 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: then try to scroll by dragging the bottom-most item |
| 11:09.55 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: for me, the list jumps immediately, instead of normal kinetic scrolling |
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| 11:10.27 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: this occourse to me regardless of where I am in the bookmarks list, the only condition is that the bottommost item is only partially visible and you try to scrolll by dragging that |
| 11:10.38 | timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: doesn't seem to be limited to the last item |
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| 11:11.06 | timeless_mbp | or rather, it seems that if i tap the last visible item, i get this behavior |
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| 11:11.56 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: yes. I meant the bottommost currently visible item |
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| 11:12.39 | timeless_mbp | ok, in file manager/contacts it just snaps into view |
| 11:12.39 | timeless_mbp | we're clearly doing something else |
| 11:12.43 | timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: please note that this is not microb |
| 11:12.47 | timeless_mbp | microb=gecko+api wrappings |
| 11:12.54 | timeless_mbp | bookmarks has virtually nothing to do w/ gecko |
| 11:13.12 | timeless_mbp | (heck, it uses its own proprietary file format [XBEL] instead of the gecko one) |
| 11:13.32 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: what I find interesting is that this behaviour is only present in microb |
| 11:13.40 | timeless_mbp | slaps Venemo_N900 |
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| 11:13.42 | timeless_mbp | not microb |
| 11:13.51 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: ok, not microb |
| 11:14.08 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: but why can't I reproduce this in other apps? |
| 11:14.25 | timeless_mbp | blames ui designers |
| 11:15.29 | toresbe | god damnit. this thing just refuses to work. |
| 11:15.29 | toresbe | it's the combination of seeking and writing that causes write errors to the card. |
| 11:15.44 | timeless_mbp | good combination |
| 11:16.13 | toresbe | it's one of the better as I-O operations go |
| 11:16.22 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: so, has noone noticed this bug yet? |
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| 11:19.04 | timeless_mbp | wrong question |
| 11:19.19 | timeless_mbp | ask not whether it is unnoticed but rather whether it is reported |
| 11:19.30 | Venemo_N900 | is it? |
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| 11:23.11 | timeless_mbp | sorry, busy dealing w/ an email from friday |
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| 11:23.30 | timeless_mbp | did you search bugs.maemo.org? |
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| 11:23.46 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: no |
| 11:23.50 | timeless_mbp | please try |
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| 11:23.57 | timeless_mbp | iirc bookmarks has its own component |
| 11:24.04 | timeless_mbp | which means you can just browse through all bookmarks bugs |
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| 11:25.57 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: ok |
| 11:26.09 | timeless_mbp | actually, i can't check the internal bug tracker at this time |
| 11:26.14 | timeless_mbp | you'd have to ask someone else |
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| 11:31.15 | pupnik | mount -o remount,uid=100,fmask=0077,dmask=0077 /mnt_data isn't giving me write perms on vfat |
| 11:31.54 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 |
| 11:31.55 | povbot | Bug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes that item to jump to the top |
| 11:32.40 | timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: so much for our users not being willing to file a bug report :) |
| 11:32.45 | timeless_mbp | is proud of our users |
| 11:33.30 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: actually, you commented on it |
| 11:33.30 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: "in fact it was fixed in January but missed the last n boats because no one from |
| 11:33.30 | Venemo_N900 | management approved it. |
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| 11:33.37 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: your management is nuts. |
| 11:33.43 | timeless_mbp | no argument from me :) |
| 11:34.13 | timeless_mbp | Venemo_N900: but please don't complain about me commenting in a bug implying i'm going to remember it |
| 11:36.15 | timeless_mbp | https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=reporter&query_format=report-table&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap&emailreporter1=1 |
| 11:36.23 | timeless_mbp | hopes that link works |
| 11:36.25 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 11:36.54 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: don't take it as a complaint |
| 11:36.55 | timeless_mbp | keep in mind that's just some bugs i've reported |
| 11:36.55 | Venemo_N900 | timeless_mbp: I myself would've forgotten something I commented on months ago |
| 11:37.00 | timeless_mbp | ok :) |
| 11:37.50 | Venemo_N900 | yes, works |
| 11:37.56 | Venemo_N900 | nice |
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| 11:52.19 | Venemo_N900 | bye-bye now. I'll be back later |
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| 11:53.18 | juk | google translate used espeak, recently they switched to more human like version, what is that, is it available? |
| 11:53.58 | juk | i mean is it os? |
| 11:54.59 | lcuk | morning \o |
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| 11:56.20 | juk | hi, lcuk |
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| 12:05.08 | lcuk | hey juk |
| 12:05.19 | lcuk | apart from translators whats happening |
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| 12:07.54 | khertan | Morning |
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| 12:15.27 | MohammadAG | morning |
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| 12:18.12 | lcuk | hey MohammadAG and khertan |
| 12:19.24 | MohammadAG | hey lcuk |
| 12:19.45 | MohammadAG | grumbles at chemists |
| 12:19.54 | lcuk | grumbles at missing days |
| 12:20.18 | MohammadAG | checks calendar - not the 27th of March yet |
| 12:20.24 | MohammadAG | lcuk, what missing days :p |
| 12:20.31 | lcuk | :D |
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| 12:24.33 | lcuk | MohammadAG, its like the anti-thesis of a leap year |
| 12:24.40 | lcuk | 2011 will have 364 days |
| 12:24.55 | MohammadAG | going back to a non kinetic scrolling xchat is weird |
| 12:25.27 | MohammadAG | lcuk, the iPhone skips hours, in 24 days liqbase will be in sync with the iPhone |
| 12:26.27 | lcuk | iphone can never be as fast as liqbase :P |
| 12:27.34 | MohammadAG | would disagree, but he tested an N8 against an iPhone 4 and the N8 turned out smoother, and liqbase is kinda faster than Symbian^3 :p |
| 12:27.47 | BCMM | MohammadAG: there is a kinetic scrolling xchat? |
| 12:27.59 | MohammadAG | ponders improving on dotblank's portrait kb in Qt |
| 12:28.00 | BCMM | or just a different IRC client? |
| 12:28.06 | MohammadAG | BCMM, private build, sort of |
| 12:28.11 | BCMM | hmph. |
| 12:28.13 | BCMM | MohammadAG: what does that mean? |
| 12:28.26 | MohammadAG | it means i didn't publicize patches |
| 12:28.41 | MohammadAG | and it's only side bars, not the channel text |
| 12:28.59 | BCMM | oh |
| 12:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
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| 12:33.42 | MohammadAG | oh and the channel picker |
| 12:33.48 | MohammadAG | err, network picker |
| 12:33.51 | MohammadAG | moo DocScrutinizer |
| 12:34.12 | juk | you guys have mornings? |
| 12:35.02 | juk | oops forgot to scroll |
| 12:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 12:35.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~ugt |
| 12:35.31 | infobot | [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html |
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| 12:36.29 | juk | ah |
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| 12:41.44 | MohammadAG | ~seen _nicolai |
| 12:41.50 | infobot | i haven't seen '_nicolai', MohammadAG |
| 12:42.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:42.56 | MohammadAG | ~seen _nicolai_ |
| 12:42.56 | infobot | _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-328.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 37m 3s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?'. |
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| 12:50.48 | Termana | kicks Chrome for being a knob |
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| 12:51.50 | MohammadAG | Termana, heh, what did he do? |
| 12:52.08 | lcuk | won't that dent it? |
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| 12:52.51 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm guessing he's talking about the tmo user |
| 12:52.55 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 12:52.59 | Termana | MohammadAG, I was trying to upload an essay to my Uni and the deadline is within the hour. Chrome wouldn't do it. Luckily I checked whether Firefox would |
| 12:53.05 | Termana | No, I mean the browser :p |
| 12:53.12 | MohammadAG | oh, that chrome |
| 12:53.32 | Termana | Yes, POS :( I am unhappy with it now. I will give it the silent treatment |
| 12:53.42 | MohammadAG | only thing I like about Chrome is the Uploading (XX%) part |
| 12:54.10 | MohammadAG | Termana, make it quick, I hate watching painful slow deaths |
| 12:54.52 | Termana | :p |
| 13:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | sooooo what's new? |
| 13:01.31 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, this year only has 364 days. |
| 13:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
| 13:02.14 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=915331&postcount=15 |
| 13:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | osso-callendar gone nuts? |
| 13:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | omg |
| 13:04.04 | maybeWTF | damn nokia internet tablets stealing whole days :/ |
| 13:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: count them all, maybe there's much more missing |
| 13:04.49 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, nope |
| 13:04.51 | lcuk | just that one day |
| 13:05.07 | lcuk | although there is potential to get it back in the autumn |
| 13:05.10 | lcuk | but I did not check that |
| 13:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | liqcallendar is a sneaky bastard |
| 13:05.20 | lcuk | I think perhaps it will duplicate a day lol |
| 13:05.28 | lcuk | checks |
| 13:05.47 | DocScrutinizer | muhaha, DST or what? |
| 13:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | ah, odd months |
| 13:06.12 | lcuk | dst actuall |
| 13:06.15 | lcuk | see next comment |
| 13:06.22 | lcuk | to notice the bug itself |
| 13:08.09 | lcuk | hehe |
| 13:08.10 | lcuk | yeah |
| 13:08.17 | lcuk | its ok guys, theres no missing day |
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| 13:08.25 | lcuk | October 30th however will be repeated |
| 13:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | it just moved |
| 13:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | happy marriage |
| 13:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 13:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | next year there will be many little dailies |
| 13:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | ponders if he likes years with even more days in them. And then baby days, eeew |
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| 13:32.01 | talineo | hi, after advices from some guys here, I'm building a kernel with initramfs to try and save my n810 after a stupid update of udev. The problem is that I need the BME driver which I do not know where to find and that I cannot get from my own device ... |
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| 13:42.54 | pupnik | bme is closed |
| 13:43.29 | zogg_ | my door is closed |
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| 13:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | anyway iirc bme is not really a kernel module driver, so you just need to copy the binary to your rootfs, and it should work |
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| 13:49.54 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: thanks, so I don't need it to boot, but still need to find it, and other says it's closed so ... |
| 13:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | it's closed |
| 13:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | and for basic boot it's not needed - just for battery charging |
| 13:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | I just hope you'll not suffer from a bootloop when bme isn't available and some dsme or other master decides this isn't bearable and requires a full reboot |
| 13:53.07 | talineo | my battery is half, I need to boot with minimal kernel with busybox to chroot and downgrade my udev or at least backup /home before flashing |
| 13:53.32 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I see |
| 13:53.52 | VladNistor | i copied a font to /usr/share/fonts. do i need to reboot to be able to use it? :-? |
| 13:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | VladNistor: I'd guess definitely not |
| 13:55.21 | VladNistor | DocScrutinizer, thanks. It can't find it in theme customizer or the advanced clock plugin though :-? |
| 13:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | I don't know of any process that establishes and keeps a lock or link to all existing fonts during boot, and keeps these |
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| 13:56.35 | VladNistor | yeah, i don't either, this is strange :) |
| 13:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | it's more likely that there's some "inventory" file where the font need to get listed |
| 13:56.51 | talineo | VladNistor: If you copied it like that you will need to use some mkfontscale/mkfontdir to update your fonts, add it to the xorg conf and restart xorg. That's what I would do on a classical pc. I don't how much it apply on your device. |
| 13:58.25 | VladNistor | thanks talineo. i didn't know fonts go in xorg.conf, u sure? |
| 13:59.04 | talineo | Section "Files" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" |
| 13:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: have you considered using/booting a completely alternative OS, like mer or meego? then just mount the former rootfs of diablo and copy out your home from there |
| 13:59.15 | talineo | sorry for the display |
| 13:59.55 | VladNistor | oh, alright, thanks |
| 14:01.38 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: I suggest to ping stskeeps in #meego(-arm). He knows a lot about booting N810 with alternative rootfs and OS |
| 14:02.24 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: thanks I will go and pick informations there |
| 14:02.38 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: maybe even #mer |
| 14:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure there's been a decently working mer distri for N810, and stskeeps was the one to do this amazing piece of work |
| 14:04.01 | VladNistor | would the rescue init from meego not work? i used it once to get to my data on n900 |
| 14:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | he's on #mer |
| 14:04.15 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: that sounds good |
| 14:04.28 | VladNistor | DocScrutinizer, talineo, a reboot does the trick with the font :) |
| 14:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | VladNistor: I'm not sure it will work for N810 |
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| 14:04.55 | VladNistor | yeah, might not, i'm not familiar with the N810 |
| 14:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | (meego initrd) |
| 14:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: anyway, a test might not hurt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 14:08.12 | VladNistor | yeah, that's the one i was referring to |
| 14:09.04 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: will look at it, I just want not to test too much, because my battery is just half and some says me I shouldn't drain it too much |
| 14:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | this is a nondestructive way to load a mini-OS to ram and boot from there, so storage won't get touched. Basic operation principles should apply to N810 as well |
| 14:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, battery is a big concern |
| 14:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | so better ask stskeeps. He's the expert :-D |
| 14:10.23 | VladNistor | hahaha, my phone is in Ancient |
| 14:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: by any chance you are familiar with electric things? |
| 14:12.07 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: talking with Stskeeps right now |
| 14:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | oh, good |
| 14:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | you can't get better advice |
| 14:12.43 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: electric things is far ... (I was at school then) |
| 14:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | ok, nm then |
| 14:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | (otherwise I might have pointed you to options of external charging and feeding N810 with alien PSU via battery contacts. But that's for copper dudes) |
| 14:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) ) |
| 14:18.31 | DocScrutinizer | also I got a spare of all my important devices :-D |
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| 14:21.48 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps pointed a link to use my n900 battery on my n810 |
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| 14:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep, should work |
| 14:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | though a bit icky |
| 14:25.27 | talineo | http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2009/12/charging-bl-5j-n900-battery-in-n810.html |
| 14:25.36 | talineo | yes a bit ! |
| 14:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | needs quite a bit of pressure for mine |
| 14:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | and contacts still are shaky |
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| 14:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | alas it's probably hard to charge the BP-4L in N900 :-) |
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| 14:30.57 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: yep for the n900, I didn't make the same mistakes, I have a spare battery with a charger |
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| 14:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | heh, the charger might work for BP-4L, no? |
| 14:31.53 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: no just the size for the BL5 |
| 14:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | ;-/ |
| 14:32.05 | pupnik | pupnik uses a spare universal charger |
| 14:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | [2011-01-09 15:17:04] <DocScrutinizer> (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) ) |
| 14:32.38 | pupnik | yes |
| 14:35.17 | chx | is it worth such a hacking when a universal lion charger is ten bucks? |
| 14:36.11 | chx | I bought http://www.amazon.com/PPUCLIP-Universal-Charger-Adjustable-Contacts/dp/B001RGYZJS this with my second battery. Works. |
| 14:38.01 | talineo | chx: interresting :) |
| 14:39.20 | chx | it's SUCH a bummer that you need to hack and trick and whatnot for a hotswap with the N900 :( |
| 14:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | hotswap batteries? |
| 14:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | chx: it's not that bad really |
| 14:43.46 | chx | no? |
| 14:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 14:43.56 | chx | have it advanced since i read? |
| 14:44.04 | chx | it sounded like some serious magick |
| 14:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | plug in charger, reduce screen brightness to min and make sure screen won't dim for 30s. stop bme, swap battery, start bme |
| 14:45.18 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never managed to do it |
| 14:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to enter flight mode prior to this, as modem is definitely using too much power |
| 14:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I did it some 10 days ago, just dor fun. AIUI MohammadAG is doing that 5 times a day |
| 14:46.16 | MohammadAG | hehe, I always swap without doing anything |
| 14:46.20 | MohammadAG | I did it on 3G and full brightness once |
| 14:46.27 | MohammadAG | well, 4/5 brightness actually |
| 14:46.57 | MohammadAG | so it's just connect charger, stop bme, swap batteries, remove charger, start bme |
| 14:47.18 | DocScrutinizer | well, bq24150 might deliver as much as 1000mA@4V, to stand-in for the battery |
| 14:47.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, more, my battery inflated a bit more recently so it has a lifetime of 2h |
| 14:47.40 | MohammadAG | 's looking at hildon-desktop's source |
| 14:47.55 | MohammadAG | trying to change blur to darkening |
| 14:48.09 | MohammadAG | i.e instead of blurring dialogs and such, darken the background |
| 14:48.14 | jacekowski | i don't get it |
| 14:48.18 | MohammadAG | a lot less intensive on the SGX, and should be quite faster |
| 14:48.19 | jacekowski | what you do to these batteries |
| 14:48.26 | jacekowski | i never had battery that got pregnant |
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| 14:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | meh, better add a keyboard shortcut to MHD for getting to desktop and to applauncher menu, from window switcher screen |
| 14:49.06 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, got 3 batteries, can't find 1, 1's "pregnant", the other is umm, weird |
| 14:49.19 | jacekowski | got 2 |
| 14:49.24 | jacekowski | one is in my phone |
| 14:49.39 | jacekowski | second is new one that i have to swap one day |
| 14:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | I got 3 and all are fine |
| 14:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | I guess MohammadAG's external charger is a bit harsh to the batteries |
| 14:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't be surprised |
| 14:51.30 | DocScrutinizer | decent charger chips are "expensive" |
| 14:51.46 | jacekowski | oO |
| 14:51.48 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: any recommended external charger? |
| 14:52.03 | jacekowski | that spring in back piece of case |
| 14:52.08 | jacekowski | battery cover |
| 14:52.12 | jacekowski | that holds that tilting thing |
| 14:52.15 | jacekowski | just came off |
| 14:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry, I never got any external charger, so I really can't judge about their quality |
| 14:52.31 | Claudio_1232 | can i install maemo on my motorola e8 ? |
| 14:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: known issue |
| 14:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | Claudio_1232: no |
| 14:53.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: you use N900 to charge all the 3 batteries? |
| 14:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | Claudio_1232: you might be more lucky with meego |
| 14:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sure |
| 14:53.56 | Claudio_1232 | is there any other OS for motorola e8 ? |
| 14:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | I got 2 of them, so basically just one fake spare battery |
| 14:54.21 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: nokia uk shop doesnt have any in stock :( |
| 14:54.25 | Claudio_1232 | i really like that phone but the OS its terrible |
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| 14:55.06 | talineo | can someone give me the full path for bme btw ? (on n810) |
| 14:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | Claudio_1232: this is not the right channel for you :-D |
| 14:55.20 | trumee | wonders if amazon could be trusted with a genuine battery |
| 14:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | Claudio_1232: you can't run maemo on motorola phones. And nobody here knows anything about your phone's OS |
| 14:56.04 | Claudio_1232 | im afraid so |
| 14:56.46 | VladNistor | about amazon, they offer those tiny images for cloud computing for free. turns out they're just barely faster than an n900 according to phoronix.com |
| 14:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: that's a difficult question. Even Nokia can't tell apart fakes and genuine ones, unless they disassemble :-D |
| 14:57.20 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: but the HOLOGRAPHIC STICKER |
| 14:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | pfff |
| 14:57.31 | kerio | surely that can't be faked!!!!!1!1 |
| 14:58.02 | VladNistor | yeah, nobody makes them, they just appear out of thin air! |
| 14:58.27 | jacekowski | kerio: i have fake battery |
| 14:58.32 | jacekowski | kerio: with sticker and stuff |
| 14:58.39 | kerio | get it replaced by nokia |
| 14:58.50 | jacekowski | why by nokia? |
| 14:58.56 | kerio | so you get a genuine one |
| 14:58.56 | jacekowski | i bought it somewhere else |
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| 14:59.01 | kerio | "this battery is crap!" |
| 14:59.02 | jacekowski | i don't care |
| 14:59.08 | jacekowski | it's not crap |
| 15:00.31 | VladNistor-mob | this is wird, xchat doesn't seem to really use my ancient font :( |
| 15:01.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, my supposedly faked one also performs up to expectations |
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| 15:01.40 | alterego | yawns and waits for the package importer. |
| 15:02.01 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 15:02.10 | jacekowski | i banned myself yesterday on one of channels |
| 15:02.43 | jacekowski | i don't even remember that |
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| 15:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | some might even be grey shift production. Means the manufacturer building batteries for Nokia just does a nightshift building 'nokia' batteries for grey market - usually employees do this while management doesn't know about it ;-) |
| 15:04.16 | DocScrutinizer | VladNistor-mob: you're aware xchat has its owm font selector in setup? |
| 15:04.54 | VladNistor-mob | DocScrutinizer, i do now, thanks |
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| 15:05.54 | VladNistor-mob | but since the menu is in ancient and i can' read it i also can't change it... yeah, i'm bored |
| 15:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | muhahah |
| 15:06.48 | VladNistor-mob | :) |
| 15:07.35 | VladNistor | oh, and the application list doesn't use the fonts either |
| 15:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | ""and next week we will learn how to switch language of your heating from simplified chinese back to latin-1"" |
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| 15:08.17 | VladNistor | i'm trying klingon next :) |
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| 15:15.33 | talineo | VladNistor: that may of any help http://www.chinese-tools.com/ ? (you have tools to draw the characters you don't know) |
| 15:16.35 | VladNistor | talineo, hahah, i know the theme customizer menu in any language to switch back, thanks :P |
| 15:17.18 | talineo | VladNistor: you're welcome ;-) |
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| 15:19.25 | alterego | http://i.imgur.com/gbMIG.jpg |
| 15:23.21 | VladNistor | is that your alterego, alterego? |
| 15:24.24 | pupnik | waitasec, for omap3 i don't want -mfloat-abi=softfp do i |
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| 15:37.28 | VladNistor | i'm watching tron legacy, and some guy is using an n8 to hack into some server =)) |
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| 15:45.18 | alterego | VladNistor: heh, cool, the N8 also featured in the latest season of Dexter |
| 15:46.35 | hrw | product placement ;D |
| 15:49.09 | alterego | Yeah, they're pretty good at it aren't they ;) |
| 15:49.52 | hrw | money makes things easier |
| 15:52.58 | MohammadAG | N8 to hack a server? hah |
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| 15:54.42 | jacekowski | hack the planet |
| 15:55.34 | MohammadAG | it can't hack itself |
| 15:56.33 | VladNistor | yeah, it had some sort of board sticking out of it which could crack access to some sort of door and then some sort of server... looked cool |
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| 15:58.09 | trumee | is it possible to stop tracker to pick images from a certain folder but let it pick up music? |
| 15:58.13 | MohammadAG | product ads are always cool |
| 15:58.48 | trumee | i have CD covers in my music folder which get picked up by tracker as well which i dont want |
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| 16:20.27 | alterego | trumee: join the club :P |
| 16:21.36 | trumee | alterego: is thereany way to delete entries from tracker database? |
| 16:24.11 | kerio | tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete |
| 16:24.14 | kerio | it's the only sane way |
| 16:25.38 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:25.42 | trumee | kerio:? |
| 16:25.54 | trumee | kerio:that is not what i was asking |
| 16:25.58 | kerio | yes, it was |
| 16:26.01 | kerio | you just don't know it |
| 16:26.12 | MohammadAG | lmfao |
| 16:26.23 | satmd | ... |
| 16:26.33 | trumee | kerio:i want tracker to pick only mp3 from the folder and not the images. |
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| 16:27.13 | trumee | kerio: not to bloody ask the tracker to index everything again |
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| 16:32.03 | kerio | no, you want to delete the fuck out of the tracker |
| 16:33.37 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:34.00 | trumee | kerio: but wont the tracker again pick up the images and mp3 from the same folder? |
| 16:34.08 | kerio | not if you delete it! |
| 16:34.18 | kerio | also check out .config/tracker/something.cfg |
| 16:34.40 | kerio | i'm not sure if there's a way to make it index types based on position though |
| 16:34.49 | trumee | confirms that kerio got the question wrong |
| 16:35.09 | kerio | see, you *think* you want tracker to be less crappy |
| 16:35.12 | MohammadAG | ~sarcasm |
| 16:35.12 | infobot | i guess sarcasm is a troll rolling on the stone |
| 16:35.18 | MohammadAG | you need a new detector for it trumee |
| 16:35.27 | kerio | in reality you just want to delete the little bastard |
| 16:35.41 | trumee | MohammadAG: so it is not possible at the moment? |
| 16:35.55 | MohammadAG | trumee, a sarcasm detector |
| 16:36.02 | MohammadAG | no, not to my knowledge |
| 16:36.22 | trumee | ok. cheers |
| 16:37.19 | kerio | trumee: even in the best case scenario you'd probably need to rescan anyway |
| 16:37.29 | kerio | make it only scan for audio in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ maybe |
| 16:37.52 | MohammadAG | you can't kerio |
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| 16:38.39 | kerio | i reiterate my proposal of tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete |
| 16:39.33 | alterego | What's with the 1.4 rumours? |
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| 16:40.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, free popcorn, why do you care? |
| 16:43.00 | alterego | I just don't get how people can get this shit. |
| 16:43.05 | hrw | ~pr1.4 |
| 16:43.06 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 16:43.18 | hrw | ~pr1.7 |
| 16:43.52 | MohammadAG | alterego, it was on facebook®!! |
| 16:44.15 | alterego | MohammadAG: I know :P |
| 16:45.40 | MohammadAG | alterego, oh yeah, and the facebook's closing on 15/3 thing |
| 16:45.52 | MohammadAG | check your news feed, see how many believed that |
| 16:46.26 | alterego | Heh, crazy |
| 16:46.39 | alterego | More believable than PR1.4 though ;) |
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| 16:47.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, they quoted Mark, I should quote Ari Jaaski and see how many believe that |
| 16:47.52 | MohammadAG | even though he quit |
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| 16:48.13 | alterego | Heh |
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| 16:52.17 | timeless_mbp | swaps batteries w/o stopping bme :) |
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| 17:46.11 | lcuk | MohammadAG, HD already has ways of simplifying the rendering to lighten the load |
| 17:46.25 | lcuk | notice that the fade/blur is done at half resolution for instance |
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| 17:52.24 | Tuco_maria | is it possible to install Qtmail on maemo 5??? |
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| 17:58.37 | alterego | I swear everytine there's activity on the Columbus thread someone touches the modrana thread too. |
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| 18:07.24 | pupnik | jav[tab] |
| 18:08.59 | alterego | Oh, the dev released a new version today aswell ... |
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| 18:32.33 | lcuk | omg w0000p |
| 18:32.37 | lcuk | "Your Mail-ID has been awarded £950,000,00 Pounds .... " |
| 18:33.14 | lcuk | wonders what to do with 95million pounds |
| 18:33.16 | rtyler | WOOOHOO |
| 18:33.35 | lcuk | actually, I don't wonder, I know exactly what to do with it |
| 18:33.37 | rtyler | heh |
| 18:33.43 | Gyjf | buy the moon? |
| 18:33.44 | Scorcerer | if you don't want it you can give it to me :D |
| 18:33.51 | rtyler | fund a bloody modern maemo-based phone? :D |
| 18:33.57 | rtyler | wants a more powerful n900 damnit |
| 18:34.09 | Scorcerer | that would be nice |
| 18:34.21 | lcuk | it would be good seed money for a rocking future |
| 18:34.23 | rtyler | my wife's new HTC G2 is putting my n900 to shame |
| 18:34.30 | lcuk | rtyler, :) n900 is awesomely powerful already |
| 18:34.40 | rtyler | too little RAM |
| 18:34.44 | lcuk | i was using my n810 yesterday and marvelling at just how good it was |
| 18:34.54 | rtyler | I like to multitask with Opera and another app or two |
| 18:35.05 | rtyler | running multiple tabs in opera is sluggish |
| 18:35.07 | lcuk | since especially it can easily support build-essential and do on device building simply :) |
| 18:35.14 | rtyler | the chip is likely still fast enough, just need moar rams |
| 18:35.29 | lcuk | are you sure its opera (or any browser) thats slow and not the damned active flash on each tab |
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| 18:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: not very serious, as they even got the , wrong |
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| 18:36.03 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, its not wrong, its 95 million pounds!!!! |
| 18:36.10 | lcuk | i have already replied |
| 18:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe it's meant to be 950,000.00 |
| 18:36.23 | rtyler | lcuk: disabled flash |
| 18:36.28 | lcuk | their mistake, not mine |
| 18:36.40 | rtyler | I am trying out firefox today |
| 18:36.51 | lcuk | whats wrong with microb? |
| 18:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: please give a a humble 10k of it ;-D |
| 18:37.00 | rtyler | don't like the experience |
| 18:37.19 | rtyler | always been a closet opera fanboi |
| 18:37.28 | lcuk | rtyler, what specifically is wrong with browsers and what would your ideal be |
| 18:37.30 | rtyler | if there was a really polished webkit browser for maemo though |
| 18:37.54 | lcuk | back i nthe day I recall a browser called tear |
| 18:38.00 | lcuk | i cant remember what it was based on |
| 18:38.18 | rtyler | lcuk: the tabs interface and zooming with Opera on Maemo is really nice, I'm generally impressed with the sites it can handle without killing the device's responsiveness too much |
| 18:38.47 | rtyler | firefox's UI on maemo is too sluggish, especially when loading pages |
| 18:38.54 | rtyler | think he just crashed it |
| 18:39.14 | DocScrutinizer | rtyler: hell, multiple tabs in opera is sluggish on my 16core 3.8GHz 32GB RAM box |
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| 18:39.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what would 10k get me? |
| 18:39.41 | DocScrutinizer | eternal praise |
| 18:39.44 | rtyler | heh |
| 18:39.49 | lcuk | i have that anyway |
| 18:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 18:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | you never can have enough of it |
| 18:40.12 | lcuk | if it got the h-e-n patches into official kernel I would start saving today |
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| 18:41.11 | DocScrutinizer | you can have those in a week if you would pay those 10k. But the question is how to get that official kernel really official |
| 18:41.32 | lcuk | kernel.org official? |
| 18:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | ooh you mean official like "upstream" - *really* upstream, maybe linus branch. |
| 18:42.20 | lcuk | :) |
| 18:42.26 | lcuk | really official |
| 18:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | we can talk about that |
| 18:43.20 | lcuk | not now we can't, I have to go rest off bowling aches and sunday roast bloat |
| 18:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure I know some good popular honoured kernel hackers that could push it, for a adequate bribe |
| 18:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | there has been worse crap in main branch |
| 18:45.02 | lcuk | i don't know whats worse, losing March 28th or having 2 October 30ths :S |
| 18:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 18:46.09 | lcuk | its like groundhog day |
| 18:46.18 | MohammadAG | lcuk, having a february the 31st |
| 18:46.37 | lcuk | how would you get to feb 31st? |
| 18:46.53 | MohammadAG | lcuk, you got 2 october 30ths |
| 18:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | I would have expected March 28th to keep her name, or at least get a double-name like OctoberMarch 28th, wife of October 30th |
| 18:46.54 | yacc | Any way to figure out if a network supports DTM without trying a voice call and data at the same time? |
| 18:46.57 | lcuk | or is it one of those days you have to get REALLY drunk to actually reach |
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| 18:47.02 | MohammadAG | shouldn't be hard for you to figure out |
| 18:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | wonder what their kids are named |
| 18:48.15 | lcuk | goes and rests on the sofa |
| 18:48.16 | lcuk | \o |
| 18:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | enjoy |
| 18:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: nope, not afaik |
| 18:49.11 | yacc | sigh. |
| 18:51.20 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to hack a bit more on jrbme/booston |
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| 18:55.21 | yacc | Anyway, what scripts are run when bnep0 gets created? |
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| 19:27.27 | Venemo | someone should shoot the guys who makes threads like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68048 |
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| 19:31.28 | RST38h | It is a lemming. It is trying to be "helpful". |
| 19:31.46 | FauxFaux | Venemo got all excited. |
| 19:32.04 | BCMM | Venemo: i've nearly finished my blog post about an upcoming release |
| 19:32.12 | Venemo | BCMM: :D |
| 19:32.15 | BCMM | duke nukem forever is gonna be an n900 exclusive |
| 19:32.22 | BCMM | next week. |
| 19:32.35 | BCMM | i am an authority on such things. |
| 19:33.53 | BCMM | "I guess that this probadly is true." |
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| 19:34.03 | BCMM | i love TMO |
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| 19:34.16 | BCMM | without it, those people would probably end up *here* |
| 19:34.33 | BCMM | "i stumbled upon another guy from twitter claiming this aswell" |
| 19:35.17 | ag0ny1 | Good evening everybody. Could someone tell me in which order the emmc and os images must be flashed? I found opposing information about the order... |
| 19:36.07 | ShadowJK | The order isn't important if you make sure you don't reboot or boot the device in between |
| 19:36.09 | jacekowski | ag0ny1: any order |
| 19:36.14 | jacekowski | ag0ny1: just don't reboot |
| 19:36.27 | ShadowJK | so don't use -R (reboot) flag to flasher |
| 19:37.48 | ag0ny1 | Thank you. But why does http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php say then: "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." next to the vanilla image? |
| 19:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: the info and rationale on wiki is pretty clear, no? |
| 19:38.54 | ShadowJK | If you fuck up and reboot the device in between, then hang done the emmc first means the device boots up to slightly broken system that can be fixed by flashing the rootfs/fiasco image |
| 19:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: and afaik they fixed that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php some weeks ago |
| 19:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | they == X-Fade |
| 19:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 19:39.54 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:40.12 | ShadowJK | if you flash rootfs/fiasco first and boot, data is moved from / to /opt (emmc), and that data is then overwritten when you flash emmc, and you end up with slightly broken system, which can be fixed by flashing rootfs/fiasco image. Or in total 3 flashings |
| 19:40.30 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: if you found any wiki or nokia page telling different, please drop a pointer and note here |
| 19:40.43 | Venemo | the truth is, as long as you do NOT reboot inbetween, it doesn't really matter. |
| 19:40.50 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 19:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: that's what he said :-D |
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| 19:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 19:42.25 | DocScrutinizer | When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to |
| 19:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | work. The former advice on tablets-dev.nokia.com was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's fixed now and in line with this wiki |
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| 19:43.43 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/td-p/593949/page/15 there is a post from cpitchford stating an order. That combined with the note on the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php page did confuse me as they state differently. |
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| 19:44.02 | ag0ny1 | I had not found the Wikipage you just linked, which is stating it pretty clearly |
| 19:44.24 | ShadowJK | Ah, discussions.nokia :) |
| 19:44.39 | ShadowJK | They probably didn't notice it changed on tablets-dev |
| 19:44.52 | lcuk | GeneralAntilles, whats that old book you uploaded to flickr? |
| 19:45.08 | ag0ny1 | But maybe I don't need to flash my newly acquired device that keeps on rebooting randomly? Maybe there is already another fix for that problem? |
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| 19:46.14 | lcuk | ag0ny1, ? if you just got a second hand device, I recommend flashing to official anyway |
| 19:46.15 | ShadowJK | What OS version does it run? |
| 19:46.19 | hrw | ~seen texrat |
| 19:46.27 | infobot | texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 31d 17h 19m 29s ago, saying: 'sphinxxxx, gtfo'. |
| 19:46.27 | ShadowJK | Yeah, what lcuk says |
| 19:46.46 | ag0ny1 | No, its not second hand. Its brand new. Its the device for my wife... |
| 19:46.57 | lcuk | hrw, \o hey, texrat rarely comes on irc |
| 19:47.07 | lcuk | but if you want him, he is responsive on email usually |
| 19:47.32 | ShadowJK | ag0ny1, what version? (settings - about product) |
| 19:47.42 | lcuk | incase you haven't got his addy, I am PMing it now. |
| 19:47.47 | ag0ny1 | OS Version is V 20.2010.36-2 |
| 19:48.00 | hrw | lcuk: I am exchanging tweets with him now |
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| 19:48.22 | ShadowJK | So that's newest.. If it's rebooting randomly and brand new I'd return it |
| 19:48.24 | hrw | lcuk: he is Dallas guy and I am here for week |
| 19:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: it should not reboot randomly, unless you installed a broken app (probably found on extras-devel repository). But OOTB devices need a OS upgrade |
| 19:48.42 | lcuk | yeah hrw, have you been there before? |
| 19:48.53 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: OOTB? |
| 19:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~ootb |
| 19:48.58 | infobot | ootb is, like, Out Of The Box |
| 19:49.52 | hrw | lcuk: nope, first visit |
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| 19:50.02 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: I read, during research for the reboot-problem, that a reflash might help as well... |
| 19:50.17 | hrw | lcuk: weather suxx badly today ;( |
| 19:50.24 | hrw | sitting in hotel is uber boring |
| 19:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: have you connected the device to internet? Usually via WLAN |
| 19:50.26 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: The device has the latest os version already |
| 19:50.27 | lcuk | hrw, you must get a 10gallon hat photo! |
| 19:50.32 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: Yes |
| 19:50.35 | lcuk | hrw, it depends on the company |
| 19:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: :-O |
| 19:50.54 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: That was never a problem with my own device... |
| 19:51.00 | lcuk | in Dublin we pretty much camped out in the hotel but there was always a big bunch of us |
| 19:51.26 | hrw | lcuk: 10gallon hat? |
| 19:51.31 | Jaffa | Camping out in the hotel when you're travelling on your own is no fun, though. |
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| 19:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: so yeah, reflash it completely, do NOT restore any apps you had installed yourself previously, and check if the device behaves |
| 19:51.50 | MrBawb | Jaffa: it is when they charge $14/day for internet. wee! |
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| 19:52.07 | ShadowJK | Well, the first OS version over a year ago had an issue where it randomly rebooted on some devices. this was fixed in january 2009. You have the latest os on that device, so the well known reboot issue isn't relevant. That leaves the possibility that the os install is corrupted either through something installed or out of the box, OR, that the hardware is faulty |
| 19:52.14 | hrw | lcuk: ok, I see |
| 19:52.21 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: Ok. Can I use the latest emmc image? |
| 19:52.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 19:52.30 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:52.34 | ShadowJK | If you reflash you eliminate the possibility that the os install is damaged |
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| 19:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: ShadowJK: exactly |
| 19:53.47 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: Yes. I am going to stress-test after the fresh flash |
| 19:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: good |
| 19:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | don't forget to test headset/AV connector and FMTX. There were several reports of those being broken OOTB |
| 19:55.43 | ShadowJK | and mic |
| 19:56.11 | ag0ny1 | Ok, thank you all very much. You really helped me!! |
| 19:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: also you may want to write and read huge amount of data (a large file) to eMMC aka MyDocs, and see if the flash is ok |
| 19:56.20 | hrw | ag0ny1: I had a post about what to check... |
| 19:56.22 | hrw | let me find it |
| 19:56.48 | ag0ny1 | hrw: Thanks! |
| 19:56.52 | hrw | ag0ny1: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/14/things-to-check-with-nokia-n900/ |
| 19:56.53 | ag0ny1 | *takes notes * |
| 19:57.40 | hrw | ag0ny1: add coment there if you will have something to add |
| 19:57.47 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 19:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: heh, your server broke on massive trafic, some seconds ago? ;-D |
| 19:58.07 | GAN900 | Why do the rumored specs for the N9 never have anything relating to reality. |
| 19:58.13 | GAN900 | "Snapdragon" |
| 19:58.14 | GAN900 | No. |
| 19:58.27 | RST38h | How do you know though? |
| 19:58.38 | hrw | GAN900: I would rather see omap3640/1GHz |
| 19:58.41 | ShadowJK | It'll be same cpu as beagleboard xm, but one number higher ;P |
| 19:58.45 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 19:58.55 | hrw | RST38h: nokia uses omap cpus since long time |
| 19:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: 42% loaded |
| 19:59.02 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 19:59.09 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: loaded fine here |
| 19:59.32 | DocScrutinizer | aaah 76% and actually showing content already |
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| 20:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | 79% |
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| 20:01.42 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: maybe time to switch from 9600 modem to a bit more modern isp? |
| 20:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | for you? |
| 20:02.05 | ShadowJK | 1GHz Omap3, 512M Ram. 800x480. My prediction ;p |
| 20:02.06 | hrw | you |
| 20:02.06 | ag0ny1 | Does the device stay in flash mode after the battery was removed? |
| 20:02.17 | ShadowJK | ag0ny1, no it shuts down |
| 20:02.26 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: Thanks! |
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| 20:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: the "undocumented" though apparently most rock solid way to flash is: plug in N900 without battery, start flasher so it shows "waiting...", then insert battery (while holding 'u' key, though that's not really needed usually) |
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| 20:19.23 | ag0ny1 | Does flashing the RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin only take couple seconds? |
| 20:19.41 | Venemo | ag0ny1: yes. |
| 20:19.57 | ag0ny1 | Hm... |
| 20:20.02 | ag0ny1 | ok :D |
| 20:20.12 | SpeedEvil | It's more than a couple |
| 20:20.20 | SpeedEvil | but it's under a minute |
| 20:20.26 | SpeedEvil | well under |
| 20:20.33 | ag0ny1 | It was done in 10 seconds or something |
| 20:20.34 | SpeedEvil | booting takes a considerable time first time |
| 20:20.39 | ag0ny1 | Ah, ok... |
| 20:21.20 | ag0ny1 | So if the flashing command is executed with the -R switch and the device stays connected with the usb/pc booting also works, but takes a considerable time? |
| 20:22.19 | ag0ny1 | I am asking because currently the screen stays black, but the loading led is blinking and the keyboard is lighten up |
| 20:22.25 | ag0ny1 | But nothing else happens :D |
| 20:24.40 | ag0ny1 | Hm... |
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| 20:24.51 | SpeedEvil | yes - it takes ages |
| 20:24.53 | SpeedEvil | 5 min? |
| 20:24.55 | corecode | hi |
| 20:25.03 | corecode | where does your /etc/resolv.conf point to? |
| 20:25.13 | MohammadAG | ag0ny1, sure it's not in charging mode? |
| 20:25.16 | corecode | somehow openconnect-gui must have messed mine up |
| 20:25.27 | MohammadAG | i.e are the 5 moving circles moving |
| 20:25.36 | ag0ny1 | Why does the wikipage say "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so " after flashing the emmc image and at the begin says "Do not boot up the device between the two i.e" |
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| 20:26.11 | ag0ny1 | I fear something horrible... |
| 20:26.18 | MohammadAG | cause you shouldn't boot at all when flashing the eMCM |
| 20:26.21 | MohammadAG | eMMC* |
| 20:26.31 | MohammadAG | you need to flash both images, then boot up |
| 20:27.24 | ag0ny1 | So there is a difference between powering down and rebooting? |
| 20:27.45 | MohammadAG | no, you shouldn't do any of them between both flashes |
| 20:28.12 | ag0ny1 | Why does the wikipage http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 say something different? |
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| 20:29.00 | Tamyrlin | I remember that the wiki page for updating the firmware was confusing to me as well |
| 20:29.00 | ag0ny1 | After executing "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" it says "Text similar to the following will be displayed on the computer: " and then "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so" |
| 20:29.49 | ag0ny1 | SpeedEvil: I am patiently waiting for another 5 minutes then :D |
| 20:31.23 | MohammadAG | (cur) (last) 09:05, 19 December 2010 174.31.87.107 (Talk) (24,160 bytes) (âFlashing the eMMC in the N900) (undo) |
| 20:32.18 | Tamyrlin | Could the wiki page mean that you have to power down the N900 and power it on up so that the flasher will actually start? (IIRC the flasher will wait until you put the device into flashing mode, e.g. power cycle it with USB connector inserted and flasher running on the computer?) |
| 20:33.22 | ag0ny1 | Tamyrlin: The emmc image was flashed already before. So the device was in flashing mode already |
| 20:33.53 | ag0ny1 | Tamyrlin: Also according to the documentation at the wiki page |
| 20:33.56 | Tamyrlin | Not according to the wiki |
| 20:33.58 | Tamyrlin | "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." |
| 20:34.09 | ShadowJK | iirc, I started N900 in flashing mode with flasher-3.5 already running. It flashed and exited, then without disconnecting or doing anything to n900 I reran flasher-3.5 again for the other image |
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| 20:34.41 | Tamyrlin | ShadowJK: That is what I did as well IIRC |
| 20:34.58 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: This is just what I did. But the second image (os) I flashed I added the -R switch to the command |
| 20:35.19 | ShadowJK | Oh yeah I probably did that too |
| 20:35.34 | ag0ny1 | Then I might really have to wait couple minutes |
| 20:35.56 | ShadowJK | oh yes first startup can take very long |
| 20:36.02 | ag0ny1 | If the keyboard is lighten up, could that mean the system is booting? |
| 20:36.33 | ShadowJK | it could.. |
| 20:37.03 | ShadowJK | I think I got the normal nokia logo, animated balls, and then it probably went black for a few minutes |
| 20:37.47 | ag0ny1 | Did you remove the usb cable after flashing? |
| 20:37.48 | Tamyrlin | I wonder who decided that it was a clever idea not to display any kind of at that point... |
| 20:37.54 | Tamyrlin | any kind of message that is |
| 20:38.16 | ShadowJK | Yeah I did remove it |
| 20:38.59 | ag0ny1 | Does the ouput of the flash process look ok for you: http://pastebin.com/bxqQ4mHi |
| 20:39.00 | ag0ny1 | ? |
| 20:39.12 | ag0ny1 | There are 2 flash processes ofc :D |
| 20:39.36 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: Before it was booted up? |
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| 20:40.43 | ShadowJK | I don't think I booted with usb cable connected |
| 20:40.48 | ShadowJK | but i dont really remember |
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| 20:41.01 | ag0ny1 | I am waiting now for 15+ minutes.. |
| 20:41.10 | ag0ny1 | ShadowJK: Ok |
| 20:41.27 | ShadowJK | that's too long |
| 20:42.06 | ag0ny1 | I unplugged it from USB cable now and give it another 5 minutes |
| 20:42.26 | ShadowJK | is keyboard light still on? |
| 20:42.32 | ag0ny1 | No |
| 20:42.45 | ag0ny1 | Its off now and the status led does not blink orange anymore |
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| 20:50.03 | ag0ny1 | I think I have sone something wrong |
| 20:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not sure if the device needs a second boot after optification |
| 20:50.41 | ag0ny1 | I pressed the on button now and only get bricks shown as letters and only a gray panel like window |
| 20:50.44 | MohammadAG | it doesn't |
| 20:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | on that second boot it may enter act_dead charging |
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| 20:50.57 | MohammadAG | ag0ny1, flash again |
| 20:51.04 | ag0ny1 | Looks like the dialog that appears to enter the pin |
| 20:51.10 | MohammadAG | don't follow any sequence, screw it all, just don't use -R |
| 20:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: reboot |
| 20:51.20 | MohammadAG | yes, flash again |
| 20:51.23 | ShadowJK | ag0ny1, yeah I'd reflash rootfs (fiasco) image |
| 20:51.27 | ag0ny1 | OK... |
| 20:51.29 | MohammadAG | ag0ny1, no, he lost his themes |
| 20:51.30 | MohammadAG | err, DocScrutinizer * |
| 20:51.46 | ag0ny1 | How do i reboot? |
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| 20:51.53 | ag0ny1 | Keep the off button pressed? |
| 20:51.57 | ShadowJK | hold in the powerbutton to shutdown |
| 20:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not state anything unless trying a second boot |
| 20:52.21 | MohammadAG | I would, he rebooted without flashing the FAISCO |
| 20:52.29 | MohammadAG | FIASCO |
| 20:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the flash log he posted looked a bit odd |
| 20:53.12 | ag0ny1 | Ok, I ended up in the same broken dialog as before after a second boot |
| 20:53.14 | MohammadAG | didn't see it :p |
| 20:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | reflash rotfs |
| 20:53.37 | DocScrutinizer | rootfs |
| 20:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | aka COMBINED |
| 20:53.43 | MohammadAG | ag0ny1, turn off the device, flash the FIASCO with the normal command, without the -R flag, then flash the eMMC again |
| 20:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | the second step |
| 20:53.54 | MohammadAG | he needs to flash both DocScrutinizer |
| 20:54.00 | MohammadAG | the flag that optification was done was set |
| 20:54.15 | DocScrutinizer | errr wut? |
| 20:54.23 | ShadowJK | is that flag stored on emmc? |
| 20:54.34 | MohammadAG | /var |
| 20:54.51 | ag0ny1 | After turning of the device and switching it on with u pressed and then connect to the usb does end up in bright Nokia Logo, with the R&D and USB icons shown |
| 20:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | so flashing rootfs should work |
| 20:55.08 | DocScrutinizer | /var is on rootfs |
| 20:55.20 | ag0ny1 | Is that the right state to issue the flashing commands? |
| 20:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:55.33 | ShadowJK | yep, sounds like the right state |
| 20:55.35 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:55.41 | MohammadAG | flash COMBINED image |
| 20:55.54 | ag0ny1 | I am wondering because the screen is bright and not dark... |
| 20:56.03 | MohammadAG | though I'm curious, why did it take time to reboot if no optification was done |
| 20:56.14 | MohammadAG | ag0ny1, doesn't matter, as long as the USB icon is shown |
| 20:56.21 | MohammadAG | but why do you have R&D mode on? |
| 20:56.35 | ShadowJK | Maybe it actually stuck in mass-storage mode or something when usb was connected? |
| 20:56.48 | ag0ny1 | Because I read it.. |
| 20:56.50 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:57.03 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, he has it on? |
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| 20:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | do not enable R&D mode |
| 20:57.28 | ag0ny1 | Ah, ok...can I disable it in the current state of the device? |
| 20:57.51 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode |
| 20:58.12 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, yes, read his USB icon line |
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| 20:58.23 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: you say you got a second N900 available? |
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| 20:58.24 | ag0ny1 | Ok, the R&D logo disappeared... |
| 20:58.31 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: Yes |
| 20:58.38 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, ah, I missed that |
| 20:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | ok then. No problem with battery |
| 20:59.11 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: do NOT use -R |
| 20:59.20 | ag0ny1 | Ok. But I flash both images again? |
| 20:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: flash, the unplug and reboot |
| 20:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | then* |
| 20:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: won't hurt, eh ;-) |
| 20:59.48 | ag0ny1 | Flash both, emmc and Fiasko? |
| 20:59.51 | ag0ny1 | ok |
| 21:00.01 | ag0ny1 | Ill flash emmc first then |
| 21:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:00.28 | ag0ny1 | And between both flash operations I do nothing with the device? |
| 21:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | and you don't use -R on both |
| 21:01.10 | ag0ny1 | I got the same weird output when flashing the Fiasko image... |
| 21:01.18 | MohammadAG | fiasco* |
| 21:01.20 | MohammadAG | what's the output? |
| 21:01.29 | ag0ny1 | http://pastebin.com/ccJcMcei |
| 21:01.47 | ag0ny1 | Thats the old log with -R, the current one looks the same though |
| 21:02.15 | ShadowJK | hm, was -F right for emmc |
| 21:02.45 | ag0ny1 | And there was no progress update shown |
| 21:03.28 | ag0ny1 | It says so at the wiki page... |
| 21:03.45 | ag0ny1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780 |
| 21:03.55 | alterego | Cool "A Long Kiss Goodnight" |
| 21:04.04 | ag0ny1 | http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 |
| 21:05.18 | ShadowJK | what's the filesize of your images? |
| 21:05.57 | ag0ny1 | About 250 mb (emmc) and 195 mb (Fiasco) |
| 21:06.08 | ag0ny1 | I verfied the md5sums |
| 21:06.15 | ag0ny1 | They were correct |
| 21:06.20 | DocScrutinizer | I think that's one of the cases where NOLO locks up after flashing eMMC. I'd try to power down the device and flash the COMBINED rootfs img same way again, by booting up and holding "u" |
| 21:07.08 | ag0ny1 | I thought I should NOT reboot between the two flashes? |
| 21:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | you STOP boot by holding 'u' key |
| 21:07.40 | ag0ny1 | Ah, ok :D |
| 21:07.52 | ShadowJK | Yeah it should be fine if you enter flashing mode again |
| 21:07.57 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO bootloader does not boot the system, instead it enters flashing mode |
| 21:08.02 | ag0ny1 | And I power down with the power off button? |
| 21:08.18 | DocScrutinizer | if that works, then yes |
| 21:08.19 | joga | heh, it's funny they call it NOLO |
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| 21:08.50 | DocScrutinizer | FIASCO is also rather tounge in cheek |
| 21:08.52 | ShadowJK | it's like as if it didn't flash the os image at all, looking at yor output :/ |
| 21:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, exactly |
| 21:09.13 | ag0ny1 | I got that kind of feeling as well |
| 21:09.18 | ShadowJK | nolo = embarassed in finnish :P |
| 21:09.26 | ag0ny1 | If power off button is not working, can I remove the battery? |
| 21:09.30 | ag0ny1 | Or what should I do? |
| 21:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:09.41 | ag0ny1 | Ok |
| 21:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | then plug in device without battery, start flasher, nsert bat while holding 'u' |
| 21:10.27 | ag0ny1 | Done |
| 21:10.36 | ag0ny1 | And then I flash the Fiasco image? |
| 21:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | then the flasher starts flashing same moment you inser battery |
| 21:11.37 | DocScrutinizer | if you missed to start it in advance, do that now |
| 21:11.44 | ag0ny1 | Without flashing the emmc image |
| 21:11.49 | ag0ny1 | before? |
| 21:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:11.50 | ag0ny1 | Ok |
| 21:12.16 | ag0ny1 | I get the same output but with some additional and it is flashing now |
| 21:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:12.34 | ag0ny1 | Looks good :D |
| 21:12.47 | ag0ny1 | What does CMT stand for? |
| 21:12.48 | DocScrutinizer | when flasher is done, unplug the device |
| 21:13.02 | DocScrutinizer | Cell Modem Telefone or sth |
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| 21:13.13 | ag0ny1 | OK |
| 21:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | it's the firmware for GSM |
| 21:13.33 | ag0ny1 | Ah, ok :D |
| 21:13.44 | ag0ny1 | And after unplugging the device? |
| 21:13.49 | DocScrutinizer | reboot it |
| 21:13.57 | alterego | Cellular Modem Terminal ? |
| 21:14.02 | ag0ny1 | Like, press the power on button? |
| 21:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | whatever it needs |
| 21:14.17 | ag0ny1 | hehe, ok :D |
| 21:15.00 | ag0ny1 | Ah, the moving dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black... |
| 21:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | waaaiiit |
| 21:15.10 | ag0ny1 | It seems like I got to wait another 5 minutes :D |
| 21:15.12 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: just to let you know : we (the n810 is her's) decided to flash (I will have some contacts to enter again ...) and try and install kde4 (as she use on her computer and pim suite is known to work) |
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| 21:16.00 | talineo | DocScrutinizer: I use the n900 battery for the flash and now use the n810 one again |
| 21:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | talineo: nice :-) |
| 21:16.09 | ShadowJK | kde4 is kinda heavy on 128M ram though? |
| 21:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah :-D |
| 21:17.00 | talineo | ShadowJK: this seems to be a version for tablets and the video seems not too slow |
| 21:17.23 | talineo | and she is willing to test as it would greatly synchronisation |
| 21:17.34 | talineo | greatly ease * |
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| 21:18.16 | talineo | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0 |
| 21:21.19 | jacekowski | hmm, have anybody tried booting n900 from sd card |
| 21:21.24 | jacekowski | but just sd card |
| 21:21.38 | jacekowski | with empty nand |
| 21:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | what's "empty" ? I guess you mean "empty rootfs" |
| 21:24.17 | ag0ny1 | Waiting now for 9 minutes... |
| 21:24.22 | ag0ny1 | Nothing happens |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | touch the screen |
| 21:24.44 | ShadowJK | or the lock slider |
| 21:24.57 | ag0ny1 | nothing happens |
| 21:25.13 | DocScrutinizer | plug in charger |
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| 21:25.35 | lolcat | Hell |
| 21:25.37 | lolcat | Hello |
| 21:25.46 | lolcat | If I take the TV out cable for the N900 |
| 21:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | hellofaday |
| 21:25.56 | lolcat | And connect it to a male to female converter |
| 21:26.16 | lolcat | Can I then separate the mic and the speaker? |
| 21:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:26.31 | crashanddie | TV out doesn't have mic, IIRC |
| 21:26.35 | crashanddie | it does? |
| 21:26.38 | lolcat | No |
| 21:26.39 | ShadowJK | it doesn't |
| 21:26.47 | lolcat | But the cable goes in the same hole |
| 21:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, mic and CVBS are same line |
| 21:26.57 | ag0ny1 | After plugging in the charger the nokia logo appeared (dark), the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again. But the led is flashing orange (charging) |
| 21:27.13 | lolcat | And I want a cable that lets me use a nromal gamerheadset as a handsfree |
| 21:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | power up using powerkey |
| 21:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | well, mic of such a headset has to connect to yellow RCIA plug of cable. I'm not too optimistic it will be really compatible though |
| 21:28.57 | ag0ny1 | Nokia logo (light) appeared, the 5 dots appeared, the Nokia logo (dark) appeared, the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again... |
| 21:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | waaaait |
| 21:29.19 | ag0ny1 | Again :D |
| 21:29.24 | nas__ | you can check the status of what n900 detected I think .. |
| 21:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:29.41 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: So yellow = speaker, white = sound? Now that I think about it I am quite certain it doesnt work |
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| 21:29.53 | DocScrutinizer | eeh? |
| 21:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | white and red are left and right earspeaker, yellow is mic |
| 21:30.42 | lolcat | Wonder if it works... |
| 21:30.49 | hyper_noober_XL | my root file system is now 10gb. how does that make you feel? |
| 21:31.01 | lolcat | Is there any professional adapter to do that? |
| 21:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 21:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 21:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: does it say anything, or at least have a dark glow in screen? |
| 21:31.48 | hyper_noober_XL | is mohhamedg here right now? |
| 21:32.15 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: does it react to lock slider switch, does kbd light up when opened? |
| 21:32.48 | DocScrutinizer | hyper_noober_XL: no, but maybe MohammadAG is here |
| 21:33.00 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: I switch off all light in the room, but the device screen did not glow. The keyboard stay dark as well... |
| 21:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | you probably switched it off then, rather than on |
| 21:33.48 | hyper_noober_XL | thats what i meant! |
| 21:33.55 | lolcat | This is SO close: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/329824603-Free-Shipping-3-5mm-Earphone-Adapter-with-Mic-AV0041-wholesalers.html |
| 21:33.58 | MohammadAG | you rang? |
| 21:34.06 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: sorry to disturb you but you mentioned somet time ago a tool to take full backups of the n900 (still beta?) |
| 21:34.12 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: So I turn it on again... |
| 21:34.16 | Gh0sty | could you relink me? can't find the link anymore |
| 21:34.32 | hyper_noober_XL | yo mo |
| 21:34.32 | hyper_noober_XL | there is a bug in phone-control |
| 21:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: backup-menu. allegedly the version2 works now |
| 21:34.41 | ag0ny1 | Must the backcover be mounted? |
| 21:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: not really |
| 21:34.55 | ag0ny1 | kk |
| 21:34.58 | hyper_noober_XL | wifion and wifioff dont work |
| 21:35.35 | hyper_noober_XL | they return an error saying 'wlan0' not found or somthing |
| 21:36.14 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: it was not that ... |
| 21:36.23 | hyper_noober_XL | i think you have included the apostrophes in your script so ifconfig is looking for 'wlan0' instead of wlan0 |
| 21:36.25 | Gh0sty | something eds backup thingy or something similar/> |
| 21:36.30 | hyper_noober_XL | ya follow? |
| 21:36.58 | Gh0sty | (just for completeness ... creating a slideset for a presentation i'm giving next week about n900 & maemo) |
| 21:37.01 | ag0ny1 | Now the 5 dots stay much longer than before. I am asked now for the pin code... |
| 21:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | can't think of anything different, except you maybe refer to standard osso backup app |
| 21:37.11 | ag0ny1 | And the buttons look normal...the video is shown... |
| 21:37.25 | ag0ny1 | We brought life back to the device.... |
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| 21:37.39 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: or it was not you but someone pointed me to some tool on the forum which could make images of the full N900 ... |
| 21:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | backup-menu |
| 21:38.00 | Gh0sty | format was not compatible with the flasher tool however ... |
| 21:38.03 | Gh0sty | and it was still beta |
| 21:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:38.32 | MohammadAG | hyper_noober_XL, hmm |
| 21:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 |
| 21:38.57 | MohammadAG | hyper_noober_XL, could be a typo, it was one of my first proper(?) scrripts |
| 21:38.58 | MohammadAG | scripts* |
| 21:39.01 | ag0ny1 | The video is shown again... |
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| 21:39.11 | hyper_noober_XL | i suspect it is |
| 21:39.13 | ag0ny1 | I think it crashed again already after the setup dialog... |
| 21:39.21 | VladNistor | i h8 the new fapman icon :( |
| 21:39.22 | ag0ny1 | and rebooted... |
| 21:39.25 | hyper_noober_XL | totally badass script though |
| 21:39.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 rather |
| 21:39.38 | ag0ny1 | Now the system is fully loaded |
| 21:39.49 | MohammadAG | coded it while on holiday :P |
| 21:39.51 | lolcat | http://www.apexcamera.com/Headset-Buddy-PC-Headset-to-2-5mm-3-5mm-Adapter-for-Phone-Smartphone-Combo-Pack-for-2-5mm-phone-jack-or-3-5mm-jacks-on-iPhone-Blackberry-Droid-Palm-Samsung-LG-HTC-B00331S5FK.htm |
| 21:40.03 | lolcat | It exsists! Would it work with the N900? |
| 21:40.51 | lolcat | How can it be 14.95?! |
| 21:41.18 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: yes |
| 21:41.19 | hyper_noober_XL | do you know if the whole wifi draining power when not unloaded bug was fixed? |
| 21:41.19 | joga | because ripping people off is profitable? |
| 21:41.51 | MohammadAG | hmm, nope |
| 21:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | hyper_noober_XL: connection manager "fixes" it by powering down the WLAN if not needed |
| 21:42.18 | lolcat | It is a 15 cm long speakercable! |
| 21:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | hyper_noober_XL: there's no real fix for it |
| 21:42.46 | lolcat | That is a dollar a cm |
| 21:43.08 | hyper_noober_XL | so i dont need wifi switcher anymore? |
| 21:43.55 | joga | lolcat, heh, that's not bad, check this out http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t |
| 21:44.12 | joga | bottom line: you can charge whatever people will pay you |
| 21:44.30 | lolcat | joga: Seen it a while ago |
| 21:44.37 | lolcat | Love the commenst though |
| 21:44.40 | joga | :) |
| 21:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | ag0ny1: all well now? |
| 21:45.09 | lolcat | If I were good with wires Id just buy a long cable from deal extreme and patch it myself... |
| 21:45.30 | ag0ny1 | Do I have to install some graphic driver? The gui is reacting really slow |
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| 21:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | it will get better when background cruft (named trackerd) has finished hogging resources |
| 21:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | no driver |
| 21:46.40 | ag0ny1 | ok. Then its about time to find what the cause crashing the device... |
| 21:46.45 | ag0ny1 | :D |
| 21:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | this can take up to 30min or more, depending on your data on uSD and MyDocs |
| 21:47.00 | ag0ny1 | Ill run down the list of notes I took before and the list of hrw |
| 21:47.13 | ag0ny1 | DocScrutinizer: Thanks |
| 21:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 21:47.18 | vi__ | Soooo, do i still need wifi switcher?? |
| 21:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | vi__: aiui not |
| 21:48.55 | hyper_noober_XL | aiui not? |
| 21:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | WLAN chip is NOT eating batery when associated to a AP and in powersavings mode, or when drivers are unloaded and chip down. AIUI connection manager takes care to reach one of those states most of the time |
| 21:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~aiui |
| 21:49.19 | infobot | hmm... aiui is As I Understand It |
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| 21:49.53 | Gh0sty | hmm |
| 21:49.59 | Gh0sty | DocScrutinizer: indeed it was backupmenu |
| 21:50.08 | Gh0sty | but there is backupmenu and backup-menu ? :p |
| 21:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | if however you are running apps like wifi-eye, then odds are your battery is empty after 3h |
| 21:50.14 | Gh0sty | or is it the same? :/ |
| 21:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's the same |
| 21:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | maybe V1 and V2 |
| 21:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | V1 is STRONGLY deprecated |
| 21:51.21 | hyper_noober_XL | so, my original question still stands...do i still need wifi switcher? |
| 21:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | hyper_noober_XL: didn't I answer that with "no"? |
| 21:53.15 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Maybe he wants a full sentence... |
| 21:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, obviously not. So the answer is "probably you do not need wifi switcher anymore" |
| 21:53.25 | lolcat | hyper_noober_XL: No, you do not need wifi switcher. |
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| 21:55.40 | nomis | does not get what this apt-worker is doing with all the cpu time. |
| 21:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 21:56.59 | MohammadAG | nomis, dirty things behind closed doors |
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| 21:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | probably it's not apt-worker but actually apt-get updating cache and database |
| 21:58.06 | nomis | DocScrutinizer: dunno, top shows apt-worker as the guilty one. |
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| 21:59.37 | nomis | does not get what the problem is that other people have with my tvbgone-applet. |
| 22:00.34 | nox- | that just sends poweroff ir codes for all kinds of tvs, right? |
| 22:01.04 | nomis | yes |
| 22:01.39 | nox- | well then i dunno whats wrong with it either :) |
| 22:02.06 | hyper_noober_XL | it is the first time i have used irda in about 8 years! |
| 22:02.16 | timeless_mbp | this isn't irda |
| 22:02.21 | timeless_mbp | it's just ir |
| 22:02.33 | nomis | I have two reports that the desktop stopped responding upon installation. And it absolutely does not happen for me. |
| 22:02.41 | nox- | oh |
| 22:02.43 | nomis | these two had to reboot to fix it. |
| 22:02.58 | nomis | (apparently it then worked) |
| 22:03.39 | talineo | (while installing kde4) wonder if the fact that using a alternative OSÂ on the internal SD reduces its lifespan ? |
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| 22:05.58 | hyper_noober_XL | well it is an irda port |
| 22:06.15 | hyper_noober_XL | therefore it is irda |
| 22:07.33 | jacekowski | hyper_noober_XL: it's not irda port |
| 22:07.48 | jacekowski | hyper_noober_XL: irda requires two way communication |
| 22:08.12 | DocScrutinizer | this is CIR |
| 22:08.34 | jacekowski | nomis: it doesn't work |
| 22:08.40 | jacekowski | nomis: i tried it on one tv |
| 22:08.44 | jacekowski | nomis: it worked once |
| 22:08.47 | jacekowski | nomis: and never again |
| 22:08.56 | hyper_noober_XL | well you sure showed me |
| 22:09.00 | hyper_noober_XL | -_- |
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| 22:10.15 | nomis | jacekowski: huh. |
| 22:10.25 | nomis | jacekowski: does the IR-LED blink? |
| 22:11.36 | hyper_noober_XL | look at it through a camera phone and you might be able to see it |
| 22:14.54 | nox- | or a digital still/video camera or anything else with a ccd |
| 22:17.18 | joga | hmm...I did the update to pr1.3 with flasher and started restoring from backup...now it's been at "Installing 'Catorise'" for about half an hour |
| 22:17.51 | joga | I can ssh into it and top doesn't show anything much happening |
| 22:18.00 | joga | something I should do? |
| 22:18.55 | joga | the LED doesn't blink when I attach the cable, power button single press doesn't do anything...can't get to dashboard |
| 22:20.54 | joga | hmm...now that the display went off, the led lights up (green, it's fully charged) |
| 22:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | catorise is messing with hildon desktop or applauncher or sth. I'd not be surprised to find it locking the desktop and needing a reboot |
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| 22:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | you might do a killall hildon-desktop though |
| 22:21.39 | joga | hmm...worth a try |
| 22:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | without warranties |
| 22:21.49 | joga | :) |
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| 22:22.09 | joga | I'm not sure if it can continue restoring apps after reboot so I'll try something else first |
| 22:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | you could start over again, this time maybe deselecting catorise |
| 22:23.50 | joga | if all else fails, yes |
| 22:24.18 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Catorise doesn't mess with hildon-desktop or applauncher or sth. |
| 22:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, dunno then |
| 22:24.44 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: There *is* a hildon-desktop bug about a continual ~6% CPU usage when using sub-menus in PR1.2 (IIRC) or later. |
| 22:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but that won't freeze the system |
| 22:25.04 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Fixed in the HEAD and there are CSSU and standalone versions of h-d which can be installed to remove it. |
| 22:25.09 | Jaffa | Indeed. |
| 22:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | hi btw |
| 22:25.50 | Jaffa | 's going to bed now :-) |
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| 22:29.01 | GeneralAntilles | lcuk: some old philosophy text. |
| 22:29.14 | GeneralAntilles | My boss just pulled it out, didn't really see much of it. |
| 22:29.18 | lcuk | ? |
| 22:29.20 | lcuk | ahh |
| 22:29.25 | lcuk | i meant the book spine itself |
| 22:30.03 | lcuk | curls up behind the boiler for the night |
| 22:30.08 | lcuk | nite \o |
| 22:31.08 | nomis | uh, boiler alert. |
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| 22:35.26 | Saviq | hi all, anyone got sync working with fennec 4b3? |
| 22:36.03 | Venemo | Saviq: it worked for some time, but doesn't work right now |
| 22:36.27 | Saviq | Venemo: you using mozila's servers or a custom one? |
| 22:36.49 | Venemo | Saviq: mozilla's |
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| 22:40.09 | joga | err...I can't uncheck catorise, it's simply not there in the list when restore asks what apps to put back |
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| 22:43.56 | pupnik | did you hear of that japanese guy who translated an x86 game to ARM? |
| 22:43.58 | pupnik | http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/39437-albion/ albion |
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| 22:45.06 | nomis | is there a non-scratchbox toolchain for the n900? |
| 22:45.19 | joga | apparently catorise is installed anyway... |
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| 22:49.59 | ag0ny1 | Is the faster application manager know to cause any problems, like random reboots? |
| 22:53.22 | jacekowski | nope |
| 22:53.47 | VladNistor | ahm, there's fapman :) |
| 22:54.06 | VladNistor | (Faster application manager) |
| 22:54.29 | VladNistor | and for the record, i like the old icon better :P |
| 22:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | something about fapman was so odd I deinstalled it after <15min. Can't remember what it was |
| 22:55.13 | jacekowski | fap fap fap |
| 22:55.34 | MohammadAG | VladNistor, replace it |
| 22:56.03 | MohammadAG | we need an actual fapman |
| 22:57.00 | alterego | Well, my Qt/GLES2 code works on both desktop and mobile :) |
| 22:57.00 | RST38h | Heya Mohammad |
| 22:57.03 | ag0ny1 | For the records. I still have random reboots :( |
| 22:57.05 | alterego | Including my shaders :) |
| 22:57.14 | RST38h | moo alterego |
| 22:57.16 | ag0ny1 | So I guess I have to send the device back in... |
| 22:57.23 | alterego | Hey RST38h :) |
| 22:57.29 | ag0ny1 | and ask for an replacement |
| 22:57.55 | VladNistor | MohammadAG, yeah, i was considering that :) |
| 22:58.43 | MohammadAG | hey RST38h |
| 22:58.57 | MohammadAG | alterego, so when should we expect the fapman? :P |
| 22:59.09 | alterego | MohammadAG: ? |
| 22:59.19 | alterego | I'm not doing any package management :P |
| 22:59.45 | alterego | Just wanted to spend some time playing with Qt & GLES2. |
| 22:59.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, not that meaning of fap |
| 23:00.18 | MohammadAG | hands alterego a backscroll reader and a sarcasm detector |
| 23:00.29 | alterego | Coming up with the framework I'm going to use to make Columbus' next gen track view widget :) |
| 23:00.37 | joga | MohammadAG http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/5th_comic0.png |
| 23:02.27 | MohammadAG | joga, the internet's one f'd up place :p |
| 23:05.58 | joga | grr...I think I'll just reflash and try again, 2nd attempt at restore failed installing mobile maps and stopped there |
| 23:06.12 | joga | maybe this time I can unselect catorise... |
| 23:07.58 | joga | on a side note, I think it's strange that I didn't find any official looking instructions on nokia's web page on how to do an upgrade on linux |
| 23:08.28 | joga | it just tells you to download the windows proggy like it's your only choice |
| 23:08.44 | ShadowJK | the windows program just reflahes |
| 23:08.47 | ShadowJK | it doesn't do an upgrade |
| 23:08.59 | joga | umm... |
| 23:09.22 | joga | I mean, if I had pr 1.2, then I flash it, then I have 1.3, couldn't that be called an upgrade? |
| 23:09.32 | ShadowJK | sure |
| 23:09.45 | ShadowJK | I guess I mean seamless upgrade where you don't lose apps or settings |
| 23:10.07 | _llll_ | upgrade and "reinstall at a newer version" not quite the same thing |
| 23:10.28 | joga | yeah...well I would have done that but I don't think I could have had many programs installed for it to work, never could free up enough space |
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| 23:11.15 | joga | _llll_, if you try OTA, it tells you to use pc suite to do it. so is it any different then? |
| 23:11.55 | joga | I do understand the technical difference of flashing an image and updating packages, but I'm just saying that they should have at least linked to maemo wiki or something |
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| 23:13.15 | _llll_ | joga: my phone upgraded 1.2 to 1.3 OTA, no sintructions needed really |
| 23:13.33 | VladNistor | i used aptitude :) |
| 23:13.34 | joga | _llll_, I wish mine could have also |
| 23:15.18 | nomis | what triggers a rescan of the hildon-home .desktop files? |
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| 23:15.56 | nomis | kill -HUP seems a bit drastic... |
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| 23:18.05 | talineo | snif have no luck today |
| 23:18.30 | talineo | seems like the kde4 repos for n810 are not available :/ |
| 23:18.43 | MohammadAG | nomis, ionotify |
| 23:18.48 | MohammadAG | ie any file that changes |
| 23:23.33 | nomis | mhm, ok. But when installing a desktop applet, do I have to control the order the files are unpacked then? I.e. first the library (or python script) and then the accompanying .desktop file? |
| 23:24.12 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 23:25.22 | nomis | the thing is, that I don't see a consistent behaviour. Sometimes the plugin appears upon installation, sometimes not. |
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| 23:25.39 | nomis | right now the plugin doesn't seem to get loaded. |
| 23:26.13 | nomis | and kill -HUP'ing the hildon-home processes makes the widget-menu entry appear. |
| 23:26.30 | nomis | so in *principle* everything seems ok, but it does not get autoloaded upon installation. |
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| 23:29.47 | alterego | wonders if there's a way to reduce tearing in gles under maemo |
| 23:29.59 | alterego | Can I do software vsync of some kind? |
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| 23:34.26 | pupnik | does gles provide for that alterego |
| 23:35.01 | pupnik | what gles thing are you doing? |
| 23:36.06 | alterego | pupnik: just playing at the moment, trying to get a good framework which mixes Qt, QtQuick/QML & OpenGL |
| 23:36.25 | alterego | Aiming for my 3D track view replacement for Columbus. |
| 23:37.17 | alterego | gles doesn't have any hardware syncing stuff, it should be handled by the OS |
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| 23:39.13 | pupnik | we could make an openstreetmap racing game |
| 23:39.33 | alterego | Heh :J |
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| 23:40.23 | pupnik | well.. take some existing racing game perhaps |
| 23:40.47 | pupnik | and make an osm plugin that lets you define tracks from a subset of the data |
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