IRC log for #maemo on 20110107

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00:00.46BCMMno, wait. not wrong highlight. i just need sleep
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00:01.15johnxI'm quite awake and still confused :)
00:01.38BCMMjohnx: it helps if you've seen the stupid matrix sequels
00:02.15BCMMno wait, there is a reference in the first film
00:02.51johnxyeah, I saw those. I choose not to think about them overly much though ...
00:03.16BCMMgood move
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01:07.03FauxFauxIs there an easy way to delete contacts with no details?  I've removed a skype account and I have loads of empty contacts.
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01:30.02DocScrutinizerFauxFaux: only idea I can think of is the delete-dups application - maybe it can be modified. Or you can get some inspiration from the way it detects and handles duplicate contacts
01:31.43DocScrutinizeraaah, moment of thinking.... You could export all contacts to vcf, then clean out the empty contacts by sed/awk/grep whatever, delete original database with all contacts, and import the cleaned vcf
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01:32.21DocScrutinizererr s/vcf/vcard/ ?
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01:40.54pahartikwould like to upgrade Maemo firmware to R1.3 but package manager does not offer it
01:42.27ShadowJKProbably something from extras-testing or extras-devel installed with package manager or apt-get that conflicts or has disabled automatic os updates..
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01:47.10jacekowskipahartik: flash it
01:47.32jacekowskiif you never flashed your phone you'r not hardcore enough to use it
01:47.37ShadowJKlol
01:48.03ShadowJK(make a backup first, always a good idea)
01:48.18MohammadAGbackups aren't hardcore
01:48.29MohammadAGrecovering your data after losing it is
01:49.32jacekowskiNow Playing: Shakira - Underneath Your Clothes
01:49.47pahartikjacekowski: I do not have MacOS X 10.5, only MacOS X 10.4... And Flasher 3.5 is not available for PowerPC Linux or SPARC Linux...
01:50.01jacekowskipahartik: get a real PC
01:50.24ShadowJKwhat's the meta-package called again..
01:50.43MohammadAGmp-fremantle-generic-pr
01:52.58ShadowJKYeah, check if that's installed
01:53.11pahartikShadowJK: And I already removed "kernel-power" to see if it helps... It did not help, so I put it back... Few days later, I tried removing kernel-power and booting with official crippled kernel, still nothing
01:53.23FauxFauxDocScrutinizer: Mmm.
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01:55.42pahartikShadowJK: "dpkg --list | grep mp-fremantle" did not find anything
01:56.38ShadowJKtry apt-get install it
01:57.17MohammadAGhe can't install an older version of it
01:57.45ShadowJKoh, well, that's a problem :-)
01:58.04jacekowskipahartik: thing is that you have big chances of ending up with something not working
01:58.05MohammadAGnot if he fakes it
01:58.10ShadowJKAnd thus my advice is even harmful. pahartik don't do it!
02:00.57pahartikShadowJK: I did not do it
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02:05.14nidOhuh, turns out what I thought would be a relatively straightforward video streaming system is actually totally nonexistant :<
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03:30.22emhow is maemo doing?
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03:33.19luke-jrem: dead
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03:35.39johnx"luke-jr: maemo is dead. maemo: luke-jr is dead." (with apologies)
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03:37.07luke-jrMaemo isn't God
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03:39.53johnxand you aren't Nietzsche
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04:02.09GAN900Probably doesn't make it less accurate, though. ;)
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05:52.04SpeedEvilhttp://xkcd.com/ ++
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05:57.09luke-jrSpeedEvil: corporate world just skips from spaghetti to "done"
05:57.22luke-jrfree world says screw the requirements :P
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06:08.44iluminator101how do i make call to a foreign country as if its a local phone in n900
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06:09.28psycho_oreosyou do the same as you normally would with a regular mobile/cell phone?
06:09.29SpeedEvilskype?
06:09.48psycho_oreosor maybe that using calling cards?
06:10.50iluminator101there must another way
06:11.08lcukpsycho_oreos, i was stood outside a pub and somebody actually asked about an app/extension for mobiles
06:11.36lcukto allow selection and use of contact names during a call to give the tones thing for their number
06:11.54lcukso you can call the country redirect and then pipe in the actual number
06:13.44psycho_oreoslcuk, allow what sort of selection? some button or something? I don't quite get you
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06:16.58luke-jriluminator101: why? N900 isn't a phone. why do you expect some unusual phone function?
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06:17.18luke-jriluminator101: it's got a basic phone app, nothing complex.
06:17.57lcukpsycho_oreos, well normally in a call you can open the dialpad, but you have to know the number
06:18.01iluminator101luke-jr, i talking about using asterisk
06:18.05lcukwhen you dial these cheap calls to X countries
06:18.09luke-jriluminator101: you didn't say that.
06:18.24lcukit makes sense to allow selection by content
06:18.31lcukto then put the tones into the call
06:18.33lcuk:)
06:18.33luke-jriluminator101: and if you're calling via SIP, then it totally depends how you've configured your Asterisk PBX to route such calls
06:18.40lcukselection by contact *
06:19.28iluminator101also my n900 alarm is not annoying enough how can i change it
06:19.34luke-jr;p;
06:19.35luke-jrlol
06:21.07psycho_oreoslcuk, still don't quite get it sorry, probably because I'm cranky over trivial things and these trivial matters accumulated into headache
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09:13.40Rubonis there any screen video capture application for N900?
09:13.58defraggerwhats the meaning of: /var/lib/dpkg/info/account-plugin-salut.postinst: line 6 /etc/init.d/avahi-daemon: not found dpkg: error processing account-plugin0salut
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09:44.54djszapihttp://upstart.ubuntu.com/index.html -> this pages writes Maemo platform uses upstart, but I do not see any /etc/init/ folder on my N900 ? What do I do wrong ?
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09:47.07djszapiseems very system-v way instead with /etc/init.d/ scripts.
09:48.46djszapiany comment on that ?
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09:49.48pupnikdebian does it that way
09:50.00djszapiyes, but it is maemo channel :P
09:50.01pupniki used to be a bsd-guy myself
09:50.13djszapiyes, that is the slack, arch way for instance.
09:50.15pupnikback when i pwned systems
09:50.24djszapiI would just like to get more information about upstrat on maemo.
09:50.28pupnikoh
09:51.06djszapi* upstart, daemons (fex. udevd) does not run in a shell, but I could do a job for that in /etc/init/, so it is a bit confusing for me right now.
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09:55.58chem|stgrml the files in /home are all that small that 11MB/s is the highest rate I get...
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10:01.19chem|stit will take ages to make a full backup...
10:04.11pupnikApple's slogan should be "do you have too much money?  we can solve that!"
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10:05.35ieatlintapple is like an abusive boyfriend... it tells you what you like, what to buy, and what you should or shouldn't be watching, and wants to track your every move
10:06.14pupniknice
10:07.01djszapiglad to laugh at idiot jokes :)
10:07.28pupnikwhat would that be, djszapi
10:07.57djszapiI think it is not too late to get out of a troll way =)
10:08.03djszapiso let me do it =)
10:08.10ieatlinti stand by my analogy... the taking your money, and the creepy loyal following that insist apple can do no wrong... it's completely like a abusive relationship
10:08.11pupnik:)
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10:08.57pupnikieatlint: what about guys who are not creepy but genuinely nuts?
10:09.18ieatlintthey're fired, and then later are re-hired as CEO
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10:10.03chem|stieatlint: I like the google strategic game analogy too...
10:10.35ieatlintgoogle will do anything to make you look at more ads
10:10.53ieatlintand they're very good at it
10:10.57chem|stif the world had been a real time strategy game google would have been the techy and we seriously left him alone for too long!
10:11.09ieatlinthah, nice
10:11.28chem|sttechies win the game after PONR
10:11.47ieatlinttheir strategy of letting their devs work on their own shirt part time that is then google property is genius
10:11.58ieatlintblah, their own shit
10:12.32chem|stalso refered as P0WNER (point of WTF no eeeick return)
10:13.10ieatlintthey drop $70-90k/year on a person (sub-par for the industry), throw some free food and a volleyball court at them, and walk away with your good ideas on top of everything else
10:13.37chem|stfor sure
10:14.03chem|stand the people buy it
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10:14.38ieatlinti'm just bitter, the HR person who did my interview fucked up and sank my referral :P
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10:15.13chem|st;)
10:15.47chem|stjust do the real good shit while not in google time!
10:15.53ieatlintseriously, the bitch fucked up while reading from her script
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10:18.19toresbeieatlint: well, that and the ability to work on really interesting and significant stuff with other people who consider that to be a significant motivator, which is not to be discounted
10:19.00toresbeI'm fairly sure I'd consider working with a bunch of people who do it for the money demoting in itself, let alone me.
10:19.21ieatlinttoresbe: i'd argue 70% of their staff are there because when they started they went "holy shit i'm working for google"
10:19.34toresbesounds like a fair assesment
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10:22.11ieatlintmy point isn't specifically to criticise google... i think they do pretty well with their "don't be evil" motto, and obviously pretty well at making money
10:22.36ieatlintand they don't mistreat their employees... more of a comment that they are extremely intelligent at exploiting their employees
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10:22.51ieatlintwhich i kinda admire :P
10:23.29flat`anyone knows how can i fix the proplem i have with listening music, it stops in middle of songs too often
10:23.49AppiahI've started to have this problem recently
10:24.17defraggerhow to fix this: The following packages have unmet dependencies: libtelepathy-qt4-farsight0: Depends: libtelepathy-qt4-0 (= 0.2.0-2maemo5+0m5) but 0.2.0-2maemo7+0m5 is to be installed
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10:24.20AppiahI thought it had to do with my headphones + headphone daemon
10:24.22defragger?
10:24.32Appiahbut I never debugged/troubleshooted yet
10:26.34SpeedEvilflat`: are you listening on headphones
10:26.49SpeedEvilflat`: on the headset - ratehr
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10:28.31MohammadAGrather*
10:29.00flat`headphones yeah
10:30.22flat`would love to find another music player with EQ
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10:31.17lollooheadphones!
10:31.22lolloosince your talking about it
10:31.38crashanddieyou're
10:31.47lolloohehe
10:31.48MohammadAGheh
10:32.03lollooI have WH-701 headphone
10:32.28lolloois there a script or a coding to make the pause and play work with media player?
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10:32.46MohammadAGno, we want an oscilloscope for that
10:32.47keriobluetooth?
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10:32.54MohammadAGobviously not
10:32.57lollooI kind like WH-701 it has a good bass, also it is comfy on my ear
10:33.35Appiahflat`: do you got the headphone daemon running? that stops music if the headphones get disconnected
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10:34.05flat`Appiah: no
10:34.41Appiahok
10:34.50Appiahso what the hell stops the music O_o
10:34.54lolloohehe
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10:35.13AppiahI was talking a walk yesterday , music stopped 10~ times
10:35.15lollooNo codes or script guys? for WH-701?
10:35.28MohammadAGno, do i have to repeat myself again?
10:35.48lolloono you dont.
10:35.57MohammadAGthanks
10:35.57lolloobut can it be created?
10:35.58MohammadAG:P
10:36.00Appiahhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901210
10:36.12MohammadAGno, we want an oscilloscope for that
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10:36.18dnearyyoyo
10:36.24MohammadAGhey dneary
10:37.16lollooosciloscope
10:37.21lollooneeds google translate
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10:37.59MohammadAGa physics book will also do :P
10:38.22lolloommm physics?
10:39.06MohammadAGyes, I leanred about oscilloscopes 2 or 3 years ago
10:39.18phellarvloves a good curve
10:39.18MohammadAGthat was 9th/10th grade
10:39.23lolloohehe
10:39.49lolloomaybe I know it if I heard it in my language
10:40.07lolloook ok I can do it dont tell me
10:40.16lolloowait wait dont
10:40.42comawhiteyay my irc socket is almost done (it works now) all I need to do is create the gui work pretty much for it
10:41.15kerioyour what?
10:41.17comawhitethen there will be a native maemo irc client
10:41.31lcukcomawhite, ?
10:41.34comawhite?
10:41.35keriothere... is
10:41.38lollooMohammadAG, how is your media player going?
10:41.40comawhitewhere?
10:41.40Appiahhaha
10:41.40lcukxchat is gtk
10:41.41keriothere's xchat
10:41.46comawhitexchat is not native
10:41.52kerio...why?
10:42.05comawhitedoesn't follow any of the HiG?
10:42.09lollooI am really escited, because mms:\\ streaming doesnt work with default player.
10:42.20MohammadAGHiG is gtk
10:42.23keriocomawhite: thankfully!
10:42.30comawhiteit's just the desktop recompiled for phone
10:42.33lcukMohammadAG, technically its hildon
10:42.36MohammadAGlolloo, video's not yet implemented
10:42.47SpeedEvilkerio: well - touch-scrolly window would be nice
10:42.54Appiahlolloo: mplayer should work?
10:43.07comawhitealso does xchat support both view modes like mine will?
10:43.17lollooAppiah, it doesnt.
10:43.27lcukcomawhite, please don't let irc wrangling stop you
10:43.31comawhitealso have a different view for servers, user, channels?
10:43.32lcukwill test your app also
10:43.35comawhitewrangling?
10:43.36lolloomms:\\66.132 etc
10:43.41Appiahare you using mms:\\ or mms:// btw? :D
10:43.51lolloommm let me check again.
10:43.53comawhitelcuk: well just idle in #akiirc and I'll let you know when it's up for testing
10:44.00dnearyThis made me smile: http://twitter.com/disconn3ct/status/23052579894202369
10:44.48lollooAppiah, mms://66.172.3.142/3
10:44.57lcukcomawhite, nahh
10:45.01lollootry it on mplayer. mine doesnt work.
10:45.08lolloobut works on desktop
10:45.18comawhitelcuk: okay then just watch for it on the site :>
10:45.19lcuki am happy with xchat but when I am not i just play with my sketching irc client instead
10:45.26kerioSpeedEvil: how will you select text then?
10:45.38comawhiteHopefully people will like it
10:46.05Appiahconnected
10:46.14Appiahthen I get disconnected (connection refused)
10:46.14lcukcomawhite, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png
10:46.25lolloocorrect
10:46.33lolloobut if you try on desktop it wokrs
10:46.46Ex-OpesaI have this VOIP http://dialer.webs.com/ but its available for 32 bit system and windows. Is there any way I can extract server and use that information and use it by some way on n900?
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10:47.05comawhitelcuk: what is that done in?
10:47.41lcukits written in pure awesome
10:47.48comawhiteseriously
10:48.17lcukyeah, original awesome didn't have enough features, so I rebuilt it with the updated pure awesome
10:48.33lollooAppiah, worked on desktop?
10:48.53lcukcomawhite, its a liqbase app
10:48.58SpeedEvilkerio: I'd be happy with only movement >1 line/second at the start of the stroke doing the kinetic thing
10:49.09comawhiteliqbase?
10:49.26lcukgoes back to work
10:52.36Appiahlolloo: compare the mplayer versions
10:53.10lollooI used also KMplayer
10:53.31lollooalso knots2
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10:56.05SpeedEvilkerio: Also - with text selection, I'm almost alwasy wanting to select under 1 line
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10:59.53lollooAppiah, btw thanks for the link! it suddenly stopped.
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11:12.23lardmanmorning
11:13.14lollooafternoon
11:14.06lardmanhi lolloo
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11:57.01DocScrutinizerkerio: *I* would hold shiftkey to select text. Well that's just me
11:57.38retro|czAnyone using ICQ on N900 ?
11:57.50retro|czI have all updates (1.3 i think).
11:57.56retro|czAnd can't connect to ICQ.
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11:58.51retro|czDon't know how to setup it. Number and password is ok.
11:58.53DocScrutinizerkerio: another suggestion I gave months ago was: enter scroll mode on initial movement vertical, enter highlight mode on initial movement horizontal
12:00.11lollooretro|cz, do you use pidgin?
12:00.27DocScrutinizerfor xchat I'm rather happy with my keybindings: up/down == scroll
12:00.47lolloome shift + up or down
12:00.54DocScrutinizershift-up/down == textinput history
12:01.14lolloommm better,
12:01.27sivangDocScrutinizer: suggestion for which device/app?
12:02.05retro|czlolloo, no, just those extra protocols
12:02.10DocScrutinizersivang: generic suggestion for finger scrolling in textboxes
12:02.14retro|czlolloo, i like that mobile integration
12:02.40retro|czlolloo, pidgin is standalone application ?
12:02.49retro|czlolloo, without contacts integration ?
12:02.50lollooyeah
12:02.56retro|czlolloo, :(
12:02.58lollooyeah
12:03.00lolloohehe
12:03.18retro|czlolloo, and no chance to use ICQ with contacts integration now ?
12:03.30lolloono there is a chance.
12:03.44lollooI tried it on PR1.2
12:04.03lollooworked, but I will try it on pr1.3.
12:07.14sivangDocScrutinizer: such that items will not get accidently pressed whe you really just want to scroll ? :-p
12:08.50retro|czlolloo, thank you
12:09.31DocScrutinizersivang: unrelated to my suggestion
12:09.49retro|czlolloo, http://www.devcomments.com/N900-AIM-and-ICQ-account-problems-i26437.htm
12:10.01sivangDocScrutinizer: ok, I've bentring to thinkg of a solution to that so thought you might be experiencing the same
12:10.16DocScrutinizerI do
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12:10.29retro|czlolloo, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=461439#post461439
12:10.36sivangit is really annoying lately, especially when our contact list gets so buig
12:10.55DocScrutinizerI even changed my start menu to doubleclick on other phones
12:11.05lollooretro|cz, seems correct since it worked on PR1.2
12:11.23lolloobut watchout it might break other accounts.
12:11.56sivangDocScrutinizer: != N900?
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12:12.51DocScrutinizersivang: SHR (on FR back when) - so the problem is quite universal and well known
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12:13.57sivangDocScrutinizer: what's SHR and FR?
12:14.20DocScrutinizersivang: and I blame developers using their desktop and mouse to simulate the phone touchscreen
12:14.44DocScrutinizer~shr
12:14.44infoboti guess shr is The Stable Hybrid Release (SHR), intended to be a community driven distribution composed of the FSO and some basic applications, that can be configured to use several different graphical toolkits, for example GTK or EFL. SHR is based on the FSO build. At first, SHR was introduced in order to use the Openmoko2007.2 GTK software in combination with the new FSO, but things have changed.
12:16.04sivang~FSO
12:16.04infobotfrom memory, fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware.
12:16.35sivang~efl
12:16.36infobotit has been said that efl is the Enlightenment Foundation Libraries.  See http://enlightenment.org/index.php?id=18  The core libraries of the EFL are: Evas, Ecore, EET, Embryo, Edje, Esmart, EWL, and ETK.
12:16.54retro|czlolloo, that forums solution to downgrade is working
12:17.18sivangDocScrutinizer: good note to reember, use the actual ophone for the testing
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12:17.46lollooretro|cz, congratz! and nice find!
12:18.09lolloo~bot snack
12:18.09infobotaw, gee, lolloo
12:18.09DocScrutinizersivang: ofono?
12:18.23DocScrutinizersivang: what's ophone?
12:19.14sivangDocScrutinizer: sorry the phone
12:19.40sivangI am opn 3Gdata, onto my ssh session
12:19.54sivangin the uk
12:19.55sivangI'm in a train in Israel
12:20.04sivanglet's hope it does not burst into fames :)
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12:22.01sivanghttp://www.vosizneias.com/72049/2010/12/28/israel-train-catches-fire-in-sharon-passengers-injured-jumping-from-train/
12:22.22DocScrutinizersivang: aah yes. Alas raster when working on E* never does
12:22.28DocScrutinizeror rarely
12:23.10sivangDocScrutinizer: could you put the last sentence in stupid's english, as it seems too high for me :)
12:23.36sivangDocScrutinizer: well, alas is the denote a contrast, working on E* ?
12:24.06DocScrutinizerraster (Casrten haizler, the rasterman) never develops Enlightenment and related EFL on a phone
12:24.08sivang*to
12:24.18ieatlintif it weren't for raster being in that sentence, i'd have assumed E meant something else
12:24.19sivangah, I see
12:25.13sivangwat phones carry SHR?
12:25.44DocScrutinizerNeo FR, Palm pre, some HTC?, N900
12:25.58ieatlintpalm pre? huh
12:26.06ieatlintwith the radio working even?
12:26.14DocScrutinizerno idea
12:28.50DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related
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12:32.16ieatlintah... old memories there
12:32.51ieatlintdefinitely better there than on the old FR
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12:33.47DocScrutinizer:-) yeah
12:33.49minus273hi all
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12:34.22minus273a little off-topic, but I'm compiling libhildon 1.99 for my laptop
12:34.35lolcatDont maemo support voice call throug msn?
12:34.50minus273the compiler complains that it can't find the symbol HILDON_GTK_INPUT_MODE_NUMERIC,
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12:35.18sivangdreams of adding support to fmxtd to prove for available bands
12:35.23DocScrutinizerhildon desktop on laptop?
12:35.30DocScrutinizero.O
12:35.52lolcatDoes it support voice with msn?
12:35.59minus273DocScrutinizer: yeah, in fact I'm trying to fire up a hildon application only available in binary
12:36.26DocScrutinizerthat's probably a bit of a task
12:36.50lolloololcat, I dont think so
12:37.01ieatlintnotes that the sdk includes an x86 binary for libhildon
12:37.15DocScrutinizerI wonder however which hildon app is available as x86(!!!) binary only
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12:37.56DocScrutinizerdoesn't make any sense to me
12:37.59sivang2wished he recalled where are the links for the spec sheet and other important infof or the fmxtd to tryt to make it work
12:38.15sivang2I think SpeedEvil sent it to me
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12:38.29DocScrutinizersivang2: wiki, hardware
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12:38.45minus273DocScrutinizer: some obscure Chinese thing
12:38.53sivang2DocScrutinizer: k, thanks
12:38.59DocScrutinizersivang2: speedevil did an amazing job to document it all there
12:39.10minus273DocScrutinizer: it was for a television box based on libhildon, I think
12:39.20DocScrutinizero.O
12:40.39sivang2DocScrutinizer: I wonder if I'm smart enough to pull this hadware hacking thingo
12:40.39sivang2I'll start by reading the spec, for sure or docs there
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12:42.26DocScrutinizersivang2: wait a few minutes. I probably have a different even better working approach for you. You may use it if you mention my (c) of original idea
12:42.48DocScrutinizerI will think another few minutes about it, so I don't tell BS
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12:45.12minus273DocScrutinizer: seems solved, --with-maemo-gtk=no
12:45.24sivang2DocScrutinizer: ofcourse.
12:45.56DocScrutinizersivang2: your usecase: find a free frequency in FM broadcast band to pair N900 to a radio receiver ?
12:46.06sivang2DocScrutinizer: but keep in mind I am on this terrible 3G,and my net can go off any minute without warning.
12:46.14sivang2DocScrutinizer: precisly
12:46.39sivang2DocScrutinizer: that's what I want to do, because in IL bands are abused massively by pirate radio stations
12:46.42DocScrutinizerI may edit some wikipage, so you can access my concept sketch any time
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12:47.51sivang2DocScrutinizer: so it is like an hour to find a fre band to pair the N900 to liten to finnish radio statiuons
12:48.17DocScrutinizersivang2: I see
12:48.50DocScrutinizerthanks for giving this additional info
12:48.53sivang2DocScrutinizer: well, to stream them off 3G data which works beautifully to the fm
12:48.57sivang2DocScrutinizer: hehe
12:49.10sivang2DocScrutinizer: well, would it help if I'd say it save lives?:)
12:49.19DocScrutinizernot really
12:49.31DocScrutinizerI'm strictly authistic EE
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12:49.59sivang2DocScrutinizer: I also listen Hungarian and some Germen ones :)
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12:50.12DocScrutinizermeans I'm designing tasers and defibrilators :-P
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12:51.35ieatlintooh, i want a taser
12:51.36DocScrutinizeras long as it has no potential for mass destruction or big-brother mass deployment, I don't care if it safes life or is for porn
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12:52.09sivang2DocScrutinizer: heh, okay, I thought you were being sarcastic as in "TMI" for the fact I use it for my language fetsh
12:52.11DocScrutinizersaves*
12:52.13sivang2fetish
12:52.32sivang2DocScrutinizer: what's authistic EE ?
12:52.55DocScrutinizer~dict autism
12:53.14sivang2DocScrutinizer: and EE?
12:53.20ieatlintyou're not autistic :P
12:53.25DocScrutinizerElectroniccs Engineer
12:54.21ieatlintaspergers maybe, dunno you well enough... but i've had to spend time with an actual autistic EE, and he uh... yeah.... and was even considered a high functioning autistic
12:54.24sivang2DocScrutinizer: I see, I actually found that aspreger describes some of my behaviors and other life views :)
12:54.26alterego"Where the hell is Qt apps?" urgh
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12:54.48alteregoSometimes it'd just be nice to tell people to fsck off :D
12:54.48sivang2alterego: how's that related to that channel? :)
12:54.50DocScrutinizersivang2: then you know what I meant
12:56.06sivang2DocScrutinizer: indeed :) anyway thanks for your help and if something gets out of it you'd be in the credits, just as in the FEA where I even added you latest comments
12:56.29DocScrutinizeryw
12:56.54emis maemo still active or is it meego now?
12:57.09ieatlintem: yes
12:57.21alteregoMaemo is still pretty active
12:57.31Appiahso it's a yes
12:57.42DocScrutinizersivang2: additional question: what does the channel sound like - on radio -that is usable for pairing the N900, when N900 does not TX?
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13:01.43DocScrutinizerem: my cpu load quite frequently hits the 95%, so yes - maemo is very active
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13:02.55sivang2DocScrutinizer: you mean, if it has no signal snow or slient altogether?
13:03.03DocScrutinizeryes
13:03.29lardmanhmm 4 cores running with an average of 12%, crappy commercial simulation code, should be pegged at 100% and running faster
13:03.32sivang2DocScrutinizer: that depends,I've found out that even channels that have a bit of snow on them, will submit to N900's txer
13:03.34lardmangrumbles to himself
13:03.48DocScrutinizersivang2: thanks
13:03.53sivang2DocScrutinizer: ofcourse clean chanelwith low noise level is best
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13:04.18sivang2DocScrutinizer: how can I measure the tx streanght that is tillgood to try and subdueD?
13:04.50DocScrutinizerhard to do
13:05.09sivang2ok
13:05.14sivang2let's start with what we've go
13:05.16sivang2got
13:06.10sivang2what re tasers? like the device making the sirens?
13:06.24sivang2and other are for bootstraping human hearts rght?
13:07.01DocScrutinizersivang2: sure. Nice to see how that works out. But I have systematic concerns against that concept. I'll hack it all up into a supplement to wiki hw pages and point you at it
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13:07.37sivang2DocScrutinizer: great, thanks. I have no idea how to start so that'd be good.
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13:07.50DocScrutinizer~taser
13:07.51infobotTASER provides advanced Electronic Control Devices (ECDs) for use in the law enforcement, military, correctional, security, and personal protection markets.  TASER devices use proprietary technology to incapacitate dangerous, combative, or high-risk subjects who pose a risk in a manner that is generally recognized as a safer alternative to other uses of force.
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13:08.45DocScrutinizer500kV via 2 wies with arrows
13:08.47sivang2hmm, I see. so they give exact measaured electricity shock to just paralize an offender
13:08.51sivang2DocScrutinizer: haha
13:09.16DocScrutinizerthere have been fatalities however
13:09.16sivang2DocScrutinizer: the web site says something about "proprietary technology, highly advanced"
13:09.24sivang2ofcourse-
13:09.36sivang2when you're dealing wiht bilological creaturs, non are alike
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13:09.59DocScrutinizerbasically a taser and a heart defibrilator are quite similar in what they do ;-D
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13:11.01sivang2DocScrutinizer: yes, hence it made sense to me with your previous sentence about that you make both
13:11.06DocScrutinizerthat's why I've chosen that example (though I never designed a taser yet, for industry)
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13:11.28chxthe problem with taser is that the police was told it's nonlethal so they used on everyone to lower their own risk of being hurt but then nonlethal turned out to be untrue...
13:11.49DocScrutinizerexactly
13:12.39lardmanI always wondered about the injury rate caused by a head falling from ~6' and striking concrete
13:12.41flashnwhats wrong with a telescopic baton?
13:12.47DocScrutinizeralso thermo protective wear with a tin foil layer effectively counteracts tasers ;-D
13:12.53sivang2flashn: lol
13:13.07pupnikand teraherz scanners
13:13.09flashngood ol baton wont kill anyone
13:13.21lardmanflashn: depends how you hit them
13:13.51flashnguess you can kill someone with a baby depending on how you use it
13:13.58pupniklike it's 1964
13:14.13lardmanflashn: true, batons are probably less prone to failure though
13:14.26lardmanless maintenance anyway
13:15.04flashnmost importantly its way more manly
13:15.08DocScrutinizerbabies are highly dangerous, when fired with an initial velocity of >200m/s
13:16.18lardmanwonders what this code is actually doing to run so slowly ~12% cpu usage across 4 cores, ~1 IO write per second, ~15MB memory usage
13:16.19DocScrutinizereven worse when frozen XP
13:18.42DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHfejwdrMVQ
13:19.52lardmanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yqsytx5RNmw&feature=related
13:20.11lardmanI'll have to wear a plexiglas protective layer along with the tin foil then
13:21.09DocScrutinizerthat's what I was looking for, but they used frozen chicken X-P
13:21.53DocScrutinizerthe chicken even destroyed the pilot seat by a massive impact
13:22.20lardmanthe F-16 one?
13:22.32DocScrutinizerwas a civil plane iirc
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13:22.57lardmanhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ibJ3aXrvaCs looks bad
13:23.11DocScrutinizerwaiting for myrtii commenting about our drug usage patterns
13:23.12maybeHerewasn't the pilot protecting his seat?
13:23.50lardmantrue :)
13:24.03lardmanI knew there was a reason it's not all done by remote control now ;)
13:24.21maybeHereat least with the f35 the HUD wouldn't shatter
13:24.23maybeHereas there is none
13:24.38lardmanin helmet?
13:24.44maybeHereyeah
13:24.49maybeHereat least as far as i know
13:25.55maybeHerealso, lol at the sabot'ed chicken in that discovery chan video
13:28.01khertanHello All
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13:40.02Jaffa'lo khertan
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13:44.41khertanwith identi.ca
13:46.01lardmanfinally emerges from YouTube
13:46.11khertanstill didn't see how oauth can be more secure
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13:58.05tybollt_wow - changing to android really exposes the most major of the maemo flaws
13:58.25tybollt_no working ota contacts sync
13:58.35tybollt_Really hope meeg will fix that
13:59.01lardmanme too
13:59.03alteregoMeeGo has a nice backend for that stuff
13:59.10alteregobbl
13:59.46lardmanam currently using my wife's old Android phone while my N900 is dead
14:00.04tybollt_yeah, work got me a new one
14:00.05lardmanis good to see my calendar event immediately synced
14:00.11tybollt_lardman: uhuh
14:00.36tybollt_lardman: or how you can change and merge contacts in your webbrowser and insta-sync - voila - they're on your phone
14:00.59lardmanyes, I've always said this about Android, it;s very well integrated
14:01.18lardmanI'm wondering if it will automatically ask me if I need directions to my appointments too
14:02.07lardmanthe klind of stuff I'd have loved to add to Maemo, had we realised earlier that no(t many) enhancement requests would be handled
14:03.40tybollt_yeah
14:03.48tybollt_the framework was all there (ovi.com)
14:04.00andrewfblackMy N900 is in a box somewhere now since I got my Android phone but I haven't given up on Meego yet
14:04.15lardmanor even using Google, just that the map and calendar apps and indeed the contacts frontend weren't open
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14:04.25tybollt_but the blasted idiots that are nokia decided that their best phone as the only phone in their roster was going to be the one not to be supported... *HEADEXPLODE*
14:04.47lardmanwell I could understand that if they got on and released something new
14:04.50pupnikandrewfblack: for real?  android is super annoying
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14:05.08tybollt_andrewfblack: yeah, meego is obviously promising
14:05.12andrewfblackpupnik: I have things about Android I hate
14:05.31andrewfblackpupnik: I also have things about iOs I hate but I an ipad
14:05.55pupnikare you sure you belong in this channel? :)
14:06.33lardmanpupnik: not accepting that some other products do things better is silly
14:07.09tybollt_pupnik: You sometimes wonder why the contacts sync issue is kept sooooo quiet about around here.
14:07.10andrewfblackpupnik: I'm sure I do, I have the box full of Maemo devices to prove it.  If we see a Meego tablet I will get it but I'm not going to wait until then I got my iPad,
14:07.15lardmanis tempted to buy an HTC Android phone and install Meego on it
14:07.58pupniki have an android device but for me there are less apps than with maemo
14:08.21pupnikand 80% of what i've downloaded is unusably lame
14:08.22andrewfblackTo me N900/Maemo = Cool toy to play with, develop on, and see what I can make it do.  Backflip/Android = Phone to call people and play games on.
14:08.29khertanfor me android it s lack of a good python support :)
14:08.45lardmanI'm not bothered about apps, but really about the basic functionality, and Android does look and work reasonably well - something to try to emulate
14:09.11khertani think meego lack of a good sync of calendar and contact
14:09.13nidOthing is, any device lacks "basic functionality" depending on what your definition of basic functionality is.
14:09.14pupniklardman: there are indeed good ideas in there... i'm glad it is winning vs something like microsoft
14:09.16khertans/meego/maemo
14:09.24pupnikand even apple is *nix based which is also cool
14:09.35khertanpupnik: but totally close
14:09.44lardmanpupnik: I'd prefer us to be able to steal the good ideas and make e.g. Meego the dominant platform
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14:10.02pupniklardman: how about the fine grained app permissions?
14:10.15lardmanI think that is quite a good idea
14:10.46pupnikthere's a japanese version of that for linux - like SElinux but simpler
14:11.00lardmanat the very least it lets you know what the app will do, but isn't it just a case of filling in all the fields manually when you add the app rather than doing real analysis of the useage?
14:11.08pupnikhttp://tomoyo.sourceforge.jp/wiki-e/?WhatIs
14:13.17tybollt_lardman++
14:13.31tybollt_Maemo lacks some very basica and fundamental ... oh PHONE features :)
14:13.58lardmanwell it was a reasonable start, if only it could have been improved more easily by us
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14:14.36lardmanand I think the fundamental mistake there was to expect that adding enhancement and non-critical bugs would actually result in anything
14:14.55lardmanwhile we really should have just re-written the ui stuff from scratch from the get go
14:15.13pupnikwhat was wrong about the ui stuff?
14:15.38lardmanI meant apps which had a ui, which meant we then couldn't see the code
14:15.47pupnikoh
14:16.02lardmane.g. calendar, phone-ui, maps, contacts, etc
14:16.03edheldilI like n900, but you are right that it was criminally  neglected by Nokia
14:16.30pupnikit's hard for a big company to abandon a major investment like symbian
14:16.34pupnikand resources are limited
14:17.01lardmanI'm sure it's not malicious, but it's just a shame
14:17.32tybollt_pupnik: For contacts sync - everything was in place - why can't the N900 to this date - do ovi.com OTA calendar/contacts sync? It is not about resources or manpower obviously :)
14:17.50tybollt_guessing some kind of politics at play
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14:18.04pupnikah that's a big one
14:18.10edheldilwhat's OTA? Over-the-air, i.e. through GSM?
14:18.20tybollt_edheldil: yes
14:18.33tybollt_edheldil: all symbian phones can do that
14:19.00pupniki saw regular people using n900s in finland
14:19.02pupnikit was amazing
14:19.09edheldilI have an old Treo and sometimes n900 for duty calls
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14:45.02BluesLeeMohammadAG: ping
14:45.17MohammadAGpong
14:46.11BluesLeeMohammadAG: you wrote that i should compile against the kernel headers ... its the first time i am compiling something, how i do that?
14:46.35MohammadAGapt-get install kernel-power-headers
14:46.43BluesLeeMohammadAG: first time with kernel modules/kernel
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14:46.50BluesLeeMohammadAG: i did that
14:46.58BluesLeeMohammadAG: they are located in /usr/sr
14:47.08MohammadAG/usr/src/kernel-power-headers/
14:47.10MohammadAGyeah
14:47.37MohammadAGsec
14:47.42BluesLeeMohammadAG: and then?
14:48.41BluesLeeMohammadAG: okay ... this directory seems to contain only makefiles, i thought it would contain at least some  *.h
14:48.48MohammadAGmake -C /usr/src/kernel-power-headers M="`pwd`" EXTRAVERSION=.10power46 modules
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14:49.00MohammadAGit does
14:49.08BluesLeeMohammadAG: okay, will try that
14:49.38MohammadAG[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/kernel-power-headers.list  | grep .h | wc -l
14:49.40MohammadAG7315
14:50.06BluesLeeMohammadAG: correct
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14:51.07BluesLeeMohammadAG: "nothing" happens -->  MODPOST 0 modules
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14:51.16MohammadAGhmm
14:51.29BluesLeei did a make clean before
14:51.30MohammadAGpaste the Makefile in the directory you're running that command in
14:51.59BluesLeei am running it in /usr/src/kernel-power-2.6.28
14:52.33fralswhats the url to the fancy fremantle developer documentation that was created some time ago?
14:52.41fralshosted by nokia iirc
14:52.56MohammadAGumm, no, you need to run it in the directory of the module kernel sources you want to compile
14:53.03MohammadAGfrals, the hildon guide?
14:53.22fralsthere was this whole dedicated page for all kinds of API references
14:53.29fralsor did i dream that?
14:53.46MohammadAGhttp://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.guide.hildonwidgetui/html/node5.html
14:53.47MohammadAGthat?
14:53.57fralsyepp, thanks :)
14:54.07MohammadAG<3 awesome bar
14:54.14BluesLeeMohammadAG: okay, for instance /usr/src/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb
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14:54.29MohammadAGno mate
14:54.32MohammadAGthose are headers
14:54.40MohammadAGyou compile against headers, you don't compile them
14:55.19BluesLeeMohammadAG: there are also the sources *.c files ?!
14:55.50MohammadAGsources are .c files
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14:56.56MohammadAGponders getting an iPod/Android device
14:57.19MohammadAGor 2 more batteries for the N900
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14:58.35BluesLeeMohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/2040342
14:59.09MohammadAGyou installed kernel-power-source?
15:00.39BluesLeeMohammadAG: kernel-power-2.6.28 (kernel-power-source package) contains both *.h and the sources *.c while kernel-power-headers (package kernel-power-headers) contains only makefiles and configs?
15:01.17MohammadAGBluesLee, yes, it contains headers too
15:03.27BluesLeeMohammadAG: hmm, there are no headers for dvb in kernel-power-headers/drivers/media/dvb/dvb-usb/
15:03.37BluesLeeMohammadAG: i think there is something wrong here
15:03.48MohammadAGumm, no?
15:04.05BluesLeeMohammadAG: just a Kconfig and a Makefile
15:04.08MohammadAGkernel-power isn't compiled with dvb-usb by default
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15:04.16MohammadAGwhy would headers exist
15:04.30BluesLeeMohammadAG: thats right
15:04.41MohammadAGanyways
15:04.48MohammadAGedit the .config
15:04.52MohammadAGset the things you want to M
15:05.02MohammadAGcompile with the correct extraversion
15:05.06MohammadAGit might be easier for you
15:05.27BluesLeeMohammadAG: okay, thanks, i will try it
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15:05.50MohammadAGjust don't edit the core stuff
15:05.58MohammadAGi.e change a Y to N, or an N to Y
15:06.09MohammadAGotherwise you need to flash a kernel
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15:09.47minus273hi all
15:09.49minus273always me
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15:25.56lardmanmmm, Dell Streak 7 looks quite cool
15:26.47lardmanI seem to remember reading somewhere that they were planning/considering Meego support for the streaks?
15:26.52khertansomeone use twitpics here
15:26.53khertan?
15:27.10BluesLeeMohammadAG:  changing the extraversion does not help. but you are right, i am doing something wrong as i get 211 new compiled modules i should only compile the necessary ones
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15:52.41lardmanhmm, even more impressive, having forgotten that I setup Thunderbird to sync with Google, I can even see my appointments on my PC
15:52.55lardmanvery nifty, I wonder why I put up with no syncing for so long
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15:53.35xDaReaperxHello
15:53.39xDaReaperxwhere do i verify my IMEI number ?
15:53.51lardmanto download a FIASCO image?
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15:54.46lardmanxDaReaperx: that question was for you btw
15:54.54xDaReaperxYes
15:55.00lardman~flashing
15:55.00infobot[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
15:55.27lardmanhttp://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
15:55.31xDaReaperxi want to verify the Version of my maemo
15:55.35xDaReaperxif it is middle east or what
15:55.40xDaReaperxby typing imei number
15:55.54lardmanoh, no clue about that, I can't see how it would help
15:56.02Shurik___Hey guys, what device are ya all coding to? n900?
15:56.30lardmanthere's not afaik a central registry of flashed version vs IMEI as you can flash whatever you want to the device
15:56.36MohammadAGdpkg -l mp-fremantle*
15:56.36lardmanShurik___: yes N900
15:56.46xDaReaperxWell okay
15:56.54MohammadAG002 is US, 003 is.. something else
15:56.56lardmanxDaReaperx: see MohammadAG's sugestion
15:57.02xDaReaperx003
15:57.05xDaReaperxmiddle east i guess
15:57.11MohammadAGthere's 002, 003, 203 and 004
15:57.28lardmanwhat differences are there anyway?
15:57.37MohammadAG003 MENA, 203 UK
15:57.46xDaReaperxwell the police called me
15:57.48lardmanwent to grab his N900 to check, then realised it's non-functional
15:57.49MohammadAGand MR0's global
15:57.52xDaReaperxthey said my number was traced
15:57.55xDaReaperxand my phone was stolen
15:57.56BluesLeexDaReaperx: hehe
15:57.58nidO203 and 205 are both uk variants
15:57.59MohammadAGlardman, emergency numbers or something
15:58.01xDaReaperxi told them i bought my phone from Middle east
15:58.04xDaReaperxso it's no way stolen
15:58.07xDaReaperxbought it from Nokia
15:58.12lardmanMohammadAG: ah ok
15:58.18xDaReaperxthat is why i need to verify my IMEI number
15:58.22MohammadAG205 is vodafone afaik
15:58.30xDaReaperxi'm not using vodafone
15:58.30MohammadAGxDaReaperx, firmware can be changed
15:58.40MohammadAGthat wasn't at you
15:58.42lardmanwell you IMEI is written inside behind the battery and you can see if in Settings > Device Info
15:58.47MohammadAGit was @ nidO
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15:59.03nidOMohammadAG: yes, 205 is vodafone in the uk
15:59.04MohammadAGor *#06#
15:59.07MohammadAGfor the Symbian way
15:59.08lardmanreally can't type this afternoon
15:59.17lardmanMohammadAG: do those commands now work?
15:59.28MohammadAGlardman, since 1.1 afaik
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15:59.38lardmanI've never had to use them
15:59.39MohammadAG*#0000# too
15:59.41MohammadAGthat's it
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16:00.05xDaReaperxokay
16:00.20xDaReaperxi dunno if someone is faking as polic
16:00.22xDaReaperxpolice *
16:00.42xDaReaperxyep its from middle east version
16:00.46lardmanphone the real police and ask
16:00.47MohammadAGhey, I faked an operator and sent my friend to claim his prize once
16:00.53ShadowJKI wouldn't give out my imei
16:01.22lardmanask them who your provider is as they would have to get the IMEI from them I guess
16:01.27xDaReaperxI didn't give my IMEI to him
16:01.33xDaReaperxi asked him his name
16:01.36xDaReaperxand branch where he worked
16:01.46xDaReaperxhe never told which model of phone was stolen
16:01.58xDaReaperxso i think maybe they are mistaken or faking
16:04.09MohammadAGyou could always check /dev/mtd1 to see what firmwares were flashed on it
16:05.17xDaReaperxjust type that in xterm ?
16:05.49xDaReaperxuhm permission denied even with root
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16:06.08MohammadAGstrings /dev/mtd1
16:06.24ShadowJKwith |less probably
16:06.40MohammadAGyeah
16:07.30BluesLeeMohammadAG: are you really 17?
16:07.44xDaReaperxit shows first one as : RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.48-5_ENOS_MR0
16:08.06MohammadAGyeah lol :p
16:08.15MohammadAGthat explains it
16:08.22lardmanonly 17! off with his head!
16:08.23MohammadAGit was a global device, flashed to middle east
16:08.29xDaReaperxuhm yeah
16:08.33BluesLeeMohammadAG: honestly, you have my respect
16:08.41xDaReaperxbut dosen't nokia do tha tnormally ?
16:08.49xDaReaperxusually while bringing it to the middle east ... it's flashd
16:08.50Venemo~ping
16:08.50infobot~pong
16:09.18MohammadAGxDaReaperx, no, don't recall anything like that
16:09.25MohammadAGmiddle eastern devices are middle eastern
16:09.38MohammadAGBluesLee, check january logs when I joined, I was kind of a noob :P
16:09.54xDaReaperxit shows sw-release-ver : RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.48-5_ENOS_MR0
16:09.58MohammadAGI owe a lot to those who helped me
16:10.03rm_worklol i remember before i flashed to 1.1 my TMobile operator kept asking me to type those codes in and I was like "erm... it doesn't work. it's not that kind of phone. yes i'm typing it. no, it isn't doing anything. kthx."
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16:10.14MohammadAGwhat's ENOS
16:10.43xDaReaperxi dunno
16:10.47xDaReaperxit's just given it that way
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16:11.19xDaReaperxmaybe old version of middle east ?
16:11.57MohammadAGno, MR0 is global
16:12.01BluesLeeMohammadAG: yeah, nevertheless your are very productive and thats good for the community ...
16:12.51lardmanis that a valid week number?
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16:13.01xDaReaperxBtw the police was saying someone elses name someone called : Jabber
16:13.08xDaReaperxno one like so we know
16:13.23MohammadAGxDaReaperx,
16:13.29xDaReaperxyeah ?
16:13.36MohammadAGare all other RX* strings MR0?
16:13.50MohammadAGno 003 strings?
16:13.56xDaReaperxno
16:13.59xDaReaperxonly 1st one
16:14.03xDaReaperxall the rest are 003
16:14.12BluesLeeMohammadAG: stupid question, whats the diff between "apt-get source kernel-power" and "apt-get install kernel-power-source"?
16:14.14xDaReaperxand one is  .MENA+EU
16:14.35MohammadAGk
16:14.39MohammadAGI just checked a friend's device
16:14.42lardmanBluesLee: one gets the source, one the binary
16:14.46MohammadAGit's all MR0
16:14.49xDaReaperxoh
16:14.52MohammadAGand he has the ENOS thing
16:14.53MohammadAGno lardman
16:14.59MohammadAGBluesLee, kernel-power-source has patches preapplied
16:15.00xDaReaperxso ... it's original ?
16:15.10xDaReaperxcause i bought it from Nokia it self
16:15.17lardmandoh, missed the -source on the end
16:15.18xDaReaperxand have international warranty
16:15.21MohammadAGkernel-power's source is how it's compiled
16:15.31mgedminBluesLee, you can build-depend on kernel-power-source, but you cannot build-depend on a source package of kernel-power
16:15.33MohammadAGoriginally
16:15.33MohammadAGby t-tan
16:15.35MohammadAGi.e you need to apply patches with quilt
16:15.39mgedminthat's usually why there are binary packages containing sources
16:15.42BluesLeeMohammadAG: which one shouldi get to run the dvb stuff?
16:16.00MohammadAGboth work fine for that
16:16.09BluesLeeokay
16:16.33MohammadAGxDaReaperx, there's no doubt it's original, but the firmware seems changed from MR0 to 003
16:16.37rm_worklardman: what happened to your n900 to make it non-functional? :(
16:16.45xDaReaperxUhm yeah
16:17.08lardmanrm_work: touchscreen has failed, pretty hard to use now everything is finger friendly (kb unfriendly)
16:17.15xDaReaperxprobably Nokia over here in middle east must have done it ... no idea though
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16:17.40xDaReaperxthey do that for most Nokia phones
16:17.52rm_worklardman: :( can't you buy a new touchscreen? saw some site that sold all the components individually
16:17.57MohammadAGno, they don't
16:18.10MohammadAGI'm from the middle east too you know
16:18.14rm_worklardman: or i guess it could also be the controller or something else random <_<
16:18.14lardmanrm_work: it's a loan device, so I'll wait to hear from Nokia
16:18.19rm_worklardman: ah, yeah
16:18.27xDaReaperxOh .. hmm
16:18.39xDaReaperxSo i wonder why Nokia would ever do that
16:19.21lardmanis it an early batch phone, flashed to global before the Middle-Eastern image became available?
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16:19.42xDaReaperxyeah i think it is
16:19.45xDaReaperxmaybe
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16:19.52xDaReaperxwasn't N900 out in 2009 ?
16:20.00MohammadAGsounds a bit fishy
16:20.07MohammadAGyes, november 2009
16:20.32MohammadAGdevices available since september for devs afaik
16:20.36rm_workthere were a lot of them in the wild by, what was it, October 2009?
16:20.41rm_workah yeah sept
16:21.30lardmanperhaps as they were in short supply the returned loan devices were re-packaged and sold again? ;)
16:21.47MohammadAGlol
16:22.21GAN900rm_work, my buddy just replaced his panel.
16:22.43rm_workGAN900: yeah. mine has a dead pixel :( but not worth replacing just for that
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16:22.59rm_workalso it is technically a loaner device, not sure if they ever want it back tho... >_>
16:23.08lardmanyou get the entire LCD+touch panel as one unit I guess?
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16:24.11GAN900lardman, not sure.
16:24.54xDaReaperxhmm dunno really should be legal afaik
16:25.10xDaReaperxif not i go with it to where i bought it from
16:25.14xDaReaperxand ask
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16:25.25lardmanxDaReaperx: the other possibility is that the person who reported the IMEI stolen lied or got it wrong
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16:25.41xDaReaperxyes i suspect he got it wrong
16:25.48xDaReaperxsince he was mentioning some other persons name
16:26.01xDaReaperxhe never told which phone was stolen , which IMEI number , his name
16:26.04xDaReaperxwhere he worked
16:26.11xDaReaperxi mean which branch
16:26.32lardmanwell just phone the police and ask to speak to this person, he should at least have a record of the phone type
16:26.37lardmanassuming he exists
16:28.30xDaReaperxokay i've told my uncle to do that
16:28.36xDaReaperxhe's probably already phoned them
16:28.46chem|stwhat is the nolo /dev?
16:28.49xDaReaperxbtw i'm living in India not middle east any more
16:28.57xDaReaperxi dunno how things can get stolen so far away lol
16:29.16MohammadAGchem|st, cat /proc/mtd and you'll see
16:29.16MohammadAGit's /dev/mtd0
16:29.17MohammadAGiirc
16:30.27chem|stguessed from other way but thanks!
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16:31.37ieatlintxDaReaperx: simple advice when dealing with a situation like that: ask for a phone number that you can call them back at
16:32.02ieatlintit's like with payment information, never give anything personal unless you initiated the call
16:33.01lardmanor rather ask for their name and location and look it up in the phonebook/interweb
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16:34.17ieatlintyeah, good to do, but keep in mind if you can look up a name and location, so can anyone else... still best to verify the source
16:34.49ieatlintbut in my experience, the police will not take offence to someone questioning their validity over the phone, so long as you do so calmly and professionally
16:36.12xDaReaperxWell okay ... i usually get nervous in such situation ... never talked to a police before lol
16:36.26xDaReaperxi'll try to verify as much info about who calls next time ... thanks
16:37.31ieatlintyou should learn, it's a good skill to have :P
16:38.11ieatlintand i don't mean the advice that talks about how to be a dick to the police... speaking politely to them will put you ahead 90% of the time
16:38.42xDaReaperxOh okay ... very well said :)
16:39.04xDaReaperxi did my mom do most of the talking
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17:08.08hyper_noob_xlwas the problem with wifi sthe battery power resolved in the pr1.3?
17:08.16hyper_noob_xl^sapping
17:10.44hyper_noob_xl?
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17:13.35hyper_noob_xlwas the problem with wifi sthe battery power resolved in the pr1.3?
17:13.45hyper_noob_xl^sapping
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17:14.12SpeedEvilsome APs do no tproperly interoperate with the n900, causing extra power consumption
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17:15.05hyper_noob_xlso there is still a need for unloading the wifi modules to save power?
17:16.24lardmandisconnect
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17:18.03SpeedEvilyeah - turn off wifi, and if you want t o go to the extreem, don't have it auto-search for wifi
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17:19.04JakDaRippawill having my n900 attached via usb to my pc constantly (every night and sometimes all day) effect the battery?
17:19.20alteregoJakDaRippa: yes, it should charge it.
17:19.31JakDaRippabut once it's charged?
17:19.34JakDaRippai can
17:19.51JakDaRippai can't find anything online about it
17:19.52lardmancharge it every night
17:20.00lardmanor every other if you don't use it too much
17:20.11lardmanor even every 5 days if you really don't connect to anything
17:21.08rm_worki was wondering that myself (and about my laptop battery as well)... if i leave them plugged in constantly, does it ruin the battery? I can't remember what type of battery it is that has that problem
17:21.32alteregorm_work: none if the laptop is built right ..
17:21.52hyper_noob_xlI dont have auto search for on.  I thought there was a bug that made the wifi search in the background even when it was disconnected hence the unloading wifi modules to stop it from draining power.  Has this been fixed in pr1.3?
17:21.59lardmanno, li-ion like to be kept reasonably well charged don;t they?
17:22.04alteregoOnce a laptop is fully charged, the power should come only from the charger and thw battery should be left along until you disconect it from the mains.
17:22.04hyper_noob_xlno
17:22.06SpeedEvillardman: no
17:22.12lardmanoh
17:22.13SpeedEvillardman: store at 40% charge.
17:22.17hyper_noob_xlli-ion like to be around 60%
17:22.32lardmanfair enough
17:22.34SpeedEvillardman: Your laptop battery oly lasts a year, at full capacity, as it's charged all the time.
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17:22.47SpeedEvillardman: If you charge it to 80%, it can last several years
17:22.53hyper_noob_xlthere is a wiki entry on li-ion batterys
17:22.57lardmanSpeedEvil: noted
17:23.07hyper_noob_xlnot true speedevil
17:23.08SpeedEvillardman: batteryuniversity.com has reasonable stuff
17:23.13SpeedEvilAlso - they hate high temps.
17:23.20hyper_noob_xlthats true
17:23.26hyper_noob_xland deep discharge
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17:23.49SpeedEvilhigh temp at high states of charge kill them fast
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17:24.52rm_workso leaving my laptop plugged in 24/7 is, in fact, totally killing it? :P
17:25.00hyper_noob_xlyes
17:25.09alteregoNot if it's built right ..
17:25.13hyper_noob_xlif you leave it plugged in 24/7, take the battery out
17:25.13rm_workk well, not sure what I can do about it
17:25.19rm_workah, that
17:25.30rm_worki suppose that would work :P
17:25.41hyper_noob_xlit does, but it is a sucky solution
17:25.57khertanAnd some laptop have settings in bios to charge only to 80%
17:26.00jacekowskiBS
17:26.10hyper_noob_xlli-ions only really last a year at best with normal use, longer if you are well anal
17:26.10khertanthis is the case of my netbook Samsung n130
17:26.10jacekowskiit's not killing battery
17:26.22jacekowskilaptops and batteries have specialised charging circuits
17:26.27hyper_noob_xl-_-
17:26.30jacekowskito prevent that
17:26.45hyper_noob_xlgoto batteryuniversity, go learn about li-ion chemistry
17:26.48jacekowskiand bettery is just connected there with small current flowing trough it
17:26.49khertansomeone use twitpics here ?
17:27.11jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: it's leaving li-ion discharged that's killing it
17:27.13jacekowskinot charged
17:27.19hyper_noob_xlwhat?
17:27.28hyper_noob_xldude, learn about li-ions first
17:27.32jacekowskidude
17:27.36keriohahaha
17:27.37jacekowskistop saying bullshit to people
17:27.43hyper_noob_xl-_-
17:27.46hyper_noob_xlwhat ever
17:27.48hyper_noob_xldumbass
17:28.19alteregoHeh
17:28.31khertanit's funny saying that from a nick hyper_noob_xl :)
17:28.36lardmankhertan: well that's good as I have an N140
17:28.47alteregoYeah, never let a lion fully discharge.
17:28.50alteregoIt's messy.
17:29.04khertanlardman: so look into the bios this is pretty much the same :)
17:29.14lardmanyep
17:29.50khertanlthey call it : Battery Life Cycle Extension
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17:30.18khertanin advanced
17:30.21khertanparameters
17:30.58khertanmine is one year old, most of the time connected to the charger
17:31.01jacekowskithere are only two things that kill batteries, heat and leaving it discharged for too long
17:31.05khertandidn't notice any battery drop down
17:31.09lardmancool, I'll take a look see
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17:31.27jacekowskieffects of anything else are minimal
17:32.04khertanlardman: and meego run very well on it
17:32.08lardmanhmm, looks very much like beer-o'clock to me
17:32.13rm_workhttp://batteryuniversity.com/_img/content/parttwo-34.gif
17:32.15rm_workhrm
17:32.16hyper_noob_xlso you are saying a li-ion battery can be re-charged to maximal capacity indefinatley?
17:32.23lardmankhertan: I've already got WinXP + Ubuntu on there
17:32.31lardmankhertan: will need a bigger hdd!
17:32.49rm_work"High charge levels and elevated temperatures hasten permanent capacity loss. "
17:32.49khertanlardman: ubuntu was freezing on mine
17:32.57lardmanwifi is craptastic
17:33.05lardmanno idea why, but otherwise all works fine
17:33.07jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: no
17:33.19khertanlardman: freeze with many kernel sata exception
17:33.27hyper_noob_xlthen there are at least 3 things that can kill a battery
17:33.32khertanlardman: got no problem on debian lenny
17:33.38lardmanhmm, well Maverick works fine for me
17:33.38jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: i'm saing that charging/discharging batteries isn't causing significant loss of capacity
17:33.39rm_work"If possible, store the battery in a cool place at about a 40% state-of-charge. Some reserve charge is needed to keep the battery and its protection circuit operational during prolonged storage. Avoid keeping the battery at full charge and high temperature. "
17:33.41hyper_noob_xla li-ion battery has a limited number of charge/discharge cycles
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17:33.57lardmanthough I quickly got rid of that stupid netbook desktop interface rubbish
17:34.00jacekowskiehh
17:34.09jacekowskiand again somebody quoting batterybullshit website
17:34.17jacekowskiread manufacturer datasheets
17:34.20SpeedEviljacekowski: leaving lithium-ion batteries at 100% state of harge, and 25C - they drop in capacity significantly year by year
17:34.35khertanlardman: mine come with win7 ... lol
17:34.42SpeedEvilAt 80% charge - the capacity depreciation is much, much slower
17:34.47rm_work"A lithium-ion battery provides 300-500 discharge/charge cycles. The battery prefers a partial rather than a full discharge. Frequent full discharges should be avoided when possible."
17:34.55rm_workjacekowski: so you're saying that site is just wrong?
17:34.59jacekowskirm_work: yes
17:35.00lardmankhertan: mine did too, was too slow so I chucked in 2Gb and installed XP instead
17:35.10jacekowskirm_work: i believe manufacturer datasheets
17:35.24jacekowskirm_work: not some site selecting random parts from random datasheets
17:35.32khertanlardman: i wipe everything to put debian lenny with xfce run very well
17:35.45alteregojacekowski: and lets not forget chinese whispers.
17:35.48SpeedEviljacekowski: The manufacturer datasheets do not mention capacity loss at all typically.
17:35.54hyper_noob_xlwhen you keep it plugged in it charges to 100% then stops charging.  The battery then discharges due to internal resistance and powering the current control circuit. when the battery is sufficiently discharged from this (to maybe 90%) it re-charges back to 100%.  Thus, if you leave dit plugged in youare charging/discharging constantly.
17:35.55jacekowskisome do
17:36.05alteregoThere are so many common misconceptions in regards to batteries in general
17:36.06jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: nope
17:36.13jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: it never stops charging it
17:36.17lardmankhertan: I'll have to see if I can nick my wife's betbook to try Meego, but the installer needs to be able to resize her NTFS partition otherwise it's no-go
17:36.18hyper_noob_xlwtf?
17:36.21hyper_noob_xlare you retarded?
17:36.24jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: it has very small current flowing trough it
17:36.25lardmans/betbook/netbook
17:36.30SpeedEviljacekowski: however - in this ase, you're wrong, I could dig up the links to papers I've got, but I really can't be arsed. Batteryuniversity.com is actually written by people that make battery analysers.
17:36.33SpeedEvilAnd make money at it.
17:36.46hyper_noob_xlignore jacekowski
17:36.55hyper_noob_xlmongloid dumbass
17:37.03alteregohyper_noob_xl: no need to be rude.
17:37.09hyper_noob_xlsorry
17:37.16hyper_noob_xlbut he is clearly trolling
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17:37.33alteregohyper_noob_xl: you're both arguing, that's not trolling, that's debate.
17:37.38hyper_noob_xlhe is ignored now and I am re-entering my happy place :)
17:37.41lardmanno, I think he actually disagrees
17:37.57hyper_noob_xldiscussing whether black is white is not debate
17:38.09alteregohyper_noob_xl: sure it is.
17:38.16alteregohyper_noob_xl: if you're both blind :P
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17:39.15toresbeat least from what I'm reading, using the adjective "mongoloid" immediately makes me slightly biased against you
17:39.25alteregoHeh
17:39.27jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: http://www.mpoweruk.com/performance.htm
17:39.33alteregoBatteries, always a hot topic.
17:39.35jacekowskihyper_noob_xl: and that http://www.mpoweruk.com/life.htm
17:39.38alteregoEspecially if you own an Apple
17:39.57toresbealso, you're wrong
17:40.28jacekowskiand
17:40.29jacekowskihttp://www.mpoweruk.com/bms.htm
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17:41.08lardmanaaaargh, I hate on-screen keyboards
17:41.25alteregolardman: me too.
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17:42.43lardmanI bet you're not forced to use a QVGA touchscreen-only phone though :p
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17:43.29hyper_noob_xlim wrong?
17:43.37hyper_noob_xlabout batterys or debate?
17:43.46hyper_noob_xl^batteries
17:43.49hyper_noob_xl6?
17:43.52hyper_noob_xl^?
17:44.08lardmanheads home, catch you guys over the weekend
17:44.38Shapeshifterdoes someone know how I can get the currently playing song and do next/previous from the cli for the builtin player?
17:44.57alteregolardman|gone: no, what phone? :)
17:45.02mgedminShapeshifter, there are some dbus commands, I think I once found a wiki page describing them
17:45.15Shapeshiftermgedmin: mhh thanks
17:45.17mgedmineither that or a forum post
17:45.19mgedmintry google?
17:46.18mgedminI've ~/bin/pause-music on my n900
17:46.39Shapeshifterbeing on 2G atm, I like to cheat by asking here first ;)
17:46.40mgedminit does dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.osso_media_server /com/nokia/osso_media_server com.nokia.osso_media_server.music.pause
17:46.50Shapeshiftermgedmin: oh thanks
17:46.54mgedminthinks DBus designers drank too much Java kool aid
17:49.51hyper_noob_xlSHAPESHIFTER, google for 'maemo scripts wiki' also 'maemo phone-control'
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17:49.58khertanso i'm not the only one to found this thing horrible
17:50.56MohammadAGShapeshifter, I merged all (I think) commands in that page in one script, under the package phone-control
17:51.15ShapeshifterMohammadAG: awesome, thanks
17:51.45MohammadAGShapeshifter, to get the currently playing song you'd need some C/C++ app
17:52.01MohammadAGpython should also work, see alterego's media-im-status-updater
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17:53.43ShapeshifterMohammadAG: nifty script
17:54.34MohammadAG:)
17:55.07MohammadAGmade it to see the look on nosy people's faces
17:55.25MohammadAGI could lock my N900 from my laptop when someone picks up my phone
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17:56.16ShapeshifterMohammadAG: typo in -h "e.g. --mp-pause laucnh" ;)
17:56.23LjLhey i don't suppose there is a way i could emulate an N810 with Maemo to see what it's like?
17:57.03MohammadAGShapeshifter, heh
17:59.20luke-jrLjL: no, why?
17:59.30luke-jrLjL: Maemo doesn't even support  N810 anymore
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18:00.58Mr_RixaHello \o :)
18:01.03hyper_noob_xlMohhamedG!!!
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18:01.08hyper_noob_xlOMG dude
18:01.15hyper_noob_xlI love your shit
18:01.26hyper_noob_xlphone-control was fukin' balla
18:01.50LjLluke-jr: because i want to buy one
18:02.04hyper_noob_xlI mean, thank you for your kind contributions good sir.  They have enhanced my n900 immensly.
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18:02.23luke-jrLjL: well, Maemo doesn't support it anymore, so you'll have to find an OS that does
18:02.27luke-jrLjL: AFAIK only Gentoo
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18:04.20LjLluke-jr: eh, can't i just use the latest version of maemo that supports it?
18:04.20LjLs/latest/last/
18:04.20MohammadAGhyper_noob_xl, thanks :D
18:04.21Mr_RixaI have a problem... I installed fMMS and that made a new "internet connection" (mms) and n900 tries to use that as normal packet data connection instead of normal "internet" setting..
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18:04.56luke-jrLjL: …no
18:06.44luke-jrLjL: software is like cars, it requires maintenance
18:06.49LjLwhy not? do people who own an N810 suddenly find it stop working? O.o
18:07.04luke-jrif it hasn't been maintained, you shouldn't use it
18:07.22luke-jrthere are dangers, etc
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18:07.30lcuksigh
18:07.31LjLwill it explode?
18:07.36DocScrutinizer*YAWN* only bits I've seen rotting are on my floppies and CDRs
18:08.09luke-jrLjL: unlikely
18:08.12luke-jrLjL: but it could
18:08.20LjLcould it explode with maintained software?
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18:08.36DocScrutinizer*I* could explode in a second :-P
18:08.41lcukluke-jr, adding new features and updating to more polished frameworks is one thing, but computers are tools and if the software works for purpose then it does not suddenly become dangerous with age.
18:09.03DocScrutinizerlcuk: thanks
18:09.33DocScrutinizerpets his N810
18:09.52lcuki have a casio calculator that I got at school age
18:10.09khertanand i ll add that my n810 is still a device i use for ssh session, and some python test
18:10.31khertanand like cuk i still have and use my hp 48sx (really old now)
18:10.35DocScrutinizeryeah, the sinus calculation algo probably is rotten to oblivion by now :-p
18:10.53DocScrutinizer- in that casio calculator
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18:10.57LjLhp48 is complicated
18:11.03lcukits no longer sinus - it flatlined.
18:11.36khertanLjL: less than an iphone
18:11.59khertanit s a calculatrice
18:12.11DocScrutinizersobs for his incinerated HP41CV
18:12.49hyper_noob_xldid anyone compile the lesswatrs hp49g pwns all u noobz
18:12.49khertanWhouhou ! Chromium win versus FireFox : ... 24Gb of ram used !
18:12.53khertanrecord !
18:13.05DocScrutinizerWTF?
18:14.02khertanDocScrutinizer: there is a page on the intranet of my company which make firefox eating 8Gb of ram and crash ... but chromium eat all what it can and crash at 24Gb
18:14.09DocScrutinizerI never touched a box that had even swap of that size
18:14.25khertan12Gb more and i ll eat the max size of the swap :)
18:15.11khertanDocScrutinizer: i use a swap which have the same size as the main memory
18:15.17khertanDocScrutinizer: 32Gb of Ram :)
18:15.49DocScrutinizerwhat a zoo of insanity: insane ulimits, insane system config (wtf such a big swap?!), insane browser design and insane webpage
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18:17.09khertanDocScrutinizer: why 32Gb of swap, because 32Gb of ram ...
18:17.26khertanDocScrutinizer: the webpage is insane ... .true :)
18:17.35DocScrutinizerkhertan: swap is from a time where RAM was a percious resource. There's absolutely ZERO use in swap when you have an abundance of RAM
18:17.38luke-jrLjL: much less likely
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18:17.52luke-jrlcuk: you assume a non-hostile world
18:18.14khertanDocScrutinizer: except for hibernate
18:18.19DocScrutinizerlol!!
18:18.37khertanelse zero use... true
18:18.38khertan:)
18:18.47DocScrutinizerit will take HOURS to hibernate and resume a machine that used up 32GB of RAM
18:18.58LjLluke-jr: oh right, why would i assume a non-hostile world on a old device with no 3G i'd use behind a router for reading books
18:19.00khertanDocScrutinizer: 30s
18:19.05LjLthat was foolish of me
18:19.12LjLrolls eyes
18:19.29DocScrutinizerwait WHAT? you have HDD with 1GB/s bandwidth?
18:19.33khertandid i said swap is on an ssd :)
18:19.47khertaninsane ... yes i know
18:20.33DocScrutinizerhmm, ok
18:20.45DocScrutinizerheads out for brinner finally
18:20.56luke-jrDocScrutinizer: what abundance of RAM?
18:21.07lcukluke-jr, do you have a single piece of verifiable information or are you just smoking crack?
18:21.10luke-jrRAM is still the weakest link in PCs
18:21.41luke-jrfeels like making a N810 BME exploder worm just to prove lcuk wrong
18:22.43DocScrutinizerhands luke-jr his beta tested prototype X-P
18:23.03lcuksigh, cyas later folks
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18:23.13luke-jrLjL: real world example: Maemo 4 still doesn't have XMPP support that is compatible with present-day XMPP servers
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18:23.17DocScrutinizercya lcuk, guys and gals
18:23.30luke-jrthanks to a bug Nokia never fixed
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18:24.34LjLno third party xmpp clients?
18:24.42luke-jr…
18:24.45luke-jrdoubt it
18:24.58LjLthat's indeed the sort of thing i'd have liked to find out with the help of an emulator
18:24.59luke-jrif Maemo did one thing right, it was lack of communication clients
18:25.03luke-jreverything is integrated there
18:25.22luke-jrinto the OS
18:25.28DocScrutinizer*cough*
18:25.48luke-jreven Skype is integrated, no client
18:26.01DocScrutinizerwooow skype X-P
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18:26.29LjLskype :(
18:26.34luke-jrwonders if Maemo 4 had Skype suppor
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18:27.43DocScrutinizer-8it has SIP support just fine
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18:27.52DocScrutinizer-8who needs skype?
18:28.05luke-jrDocScrutinizer-8: true
18:28.15DocScrutinizer-8xchat working like a charm, as you can see
18:28.29DocScrutinizer-8cya peeps
18:28.30luke-jrcoughs
18:29.59maybeHerehttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2011-01/07/russians-penetrate-lake-vostok we're all going to die!
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18:37.15hyper_noob_XXLMOHAMMEDAG
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18:44.27alteregoIs it just me, or do other people get annoyed that mapping apps don't remember their destination when you quit/restart them?
18:44.38alterego(Because I've added persistance to columbus) ^.^
19:00.30piggzive gathered most of the kernel oops from my n900 crashes from the last 3 weeks or so....printed its 34pages of 6pt text...will it be any use to the engineer i take it to (at the very least i want to emphasise its a hardware issue)
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19:01.33piggzs/likely a hw issue
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19:17.25mikki-kunhm, how can i tell whether i have an express card slot or an cardbus slot?
19:17.51psycho_oreosmikki-kun, from googling for pictures
19:17.56rm_workwhat device is it?
19:18.13mikki-kuncarbus and expresscard54 have the same width :)
19:19.00mikki-kunrm_work: dell latitude d620
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19:19.26mikki-kunfirst time in my life i would ever use that slot
19:20.05psycho_oreoshttp://media.obsessable.com/media/2009/01/02/expresscards-compared.jpg <--- how hard was that?
19:20.18mikki-kunlspci tells me somethign about cardbus, but a website tells me expresscard...
19:20.32mikki-kunso now i am confused by that output...
19:20.50psycho_oreoslspci cannot be wrong
19:20.55psycho_oreosnot for that instance anyway
19:21.08mikki-kun03:01.0 CardBus bridge: O2 Micro, Inc. OZ601/6912/711E0 CardBus/SmartCardBus Controller (rev 40) <--- tells me lspci
19:21.42mikki-kunso it means i have to buy a cardbus card?
19:22.16mikki-kunor would also an express card work with that slot?
19:22.38psycho_oreoscardbus and express cards are not cross compatible without an adapter
19:22.48psycho_oreosand smartcard != express card
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19:23.32mikki-kunehhh, smartcard? where does that fit into the picture? :)
19:23.37mikki-kun*totally confused now*
19:24.54mikki-kunpsycho_oreos: this page here tells me express-cards should work, but can i take it for granted? http://www.mobilewhack.com/reviews/dell_latitude_d620_laptop.html
19:25.03psycho_oreosyour lspci output says the device onboard is either a cardbus or smartcardbus controller or both. If you google for pictures you would easily see that smartcards aren't the same as pcmcia cards
19:25.14psycho_oreosnor are smartcards the same as express cards
19:25.33psycho_oreosmikki-kun, have you bothered to read your laptop's manual? or even service manual from dell website?
19:25.48psycho_oreosits called process elimination
19:25.52DocScrutinizer-8or wikipedia
19:26.30mikki-kunpsycho_oreos: the manual is in thailand, i am in switzerland :) you know a way i could read it? :)
19:26.57psycho_oreosmikki-kun, I did say service manual from dell website no?
19:27.55DocScrutinizer-8or wikipedia
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19:28.40psycho_oreosfor some reason I don't think this person would be likely be inclined to read from wikipedia, he/she seems like to trust some fancy site that says this instead of that
19:29.09mikki-kunpsycho_oreos: who says wikipedia is right
19:29.25mikki-kunin the field of science i've seen it fail pretty hard for many articles
19:29.49DocScrutinizer-8meh
19:29.54psycho_oreosmikki-kun, if wikipedia isn't right then who is stopping you from doubting it and comparing the information with other sources?
19:30.05psycho_oreosor frankly why wouldn
19:30.28psycho_oreoswhy wouldn't the pages be edited so that its reflected in a more correct manner?
19:31.42mikki-kunhm, which page? the wikipedia one?
19:32.30psycho_oreosyes whichever page you believe wikipedia is wrong for that portion of article. Its a free online encyclopedia anyway
19:33.20DocScrutinizer-8who says your manual is right? who says we are right? who says your eyes are right?
19:34.32MrBawbmight as well finish that off with "who says right is right?"
19:35.08psycho_oreostrust no-one? :)
19:35.36DocScrutinizer-8"I won't bother  to read it cause I dunno for sure ig it's right"  Ã‚«- most lame statement I heard for long time
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19:45.53rm_workwow, you guys are really going off on a total tangent :P I usually recommend avoiding the "letmegooglethatforyou.com" way to respond to people, regardless of situation
19:46.47MohammadAGyeah
19:47.01rm_workanyway, i was going to say, my normal method is to read as much as physically possible, tally the opinions, and go with the one that has a higher count (discarding things that reference the same source, if i've already counted it). has served me well so far
19:47.01MohammadAGlmgtfy.com is obviosly better
19:47.32rm_workthat or ask somewhere that people might know the answer (like here) :P
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19:56.51trumeeanyody knows why that joikuspot bouncer is needed in power kernel?
19:57.40trumeei have compiled my own custom kernel and was wondering if i need that joikuspot bouncer as well
19:58.14trumeealthough, i have minor changes from stock kernel, but have a new kernel string.
19:58.43SpeedEvildo you use jokiospot
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20:01.02DocScrutinizer-8seen that lately. cruft
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20:02.15trumeeSpeedEvil: want to use it
20:02.48trumeeSpeedEvil: because i dont know what i need to patch in my custom kernel to get mobilehotspot going
20:03.00DocScrutinizer-8then you probably want to keep that  bouncer :-)
20:03.16trumeeSpeedEvil: and i have a copy of joiku which i bought some time back
20:03.24trumeeDocScrutinizer-8: why is that bouncer required?
20:03.51DocScrutinizer-8trumee: didn't you say your custom kernel is based on PK?
20:03.54ZogG_workDocScrutinizer-8: what happened to your 51?
20:03.56trumeeDocScrutinizer-8: no it is not
20:04.08trumeeDocScrutinizer-8: on the other hand, it is very close to stock
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20:05.35lirakishey every one
20:05.37lirakishow is it going
20:06.38DocScrutinizer51ZogG_work: whatms wrong with my 51?
20:06.57lirakisstill feeling good to be left out in the cold by nokia?
20:07.02ZogG_workit's not the best thing about you but it's better than -8
20:07.12DocScrutinizer51grrr N810 kbd and N900 kbd are not compatible
20:07.30ZogG_worklirakis: i'm trolling, they hating
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20:08.17lirakisyeah
20:08.18ZogG_workMohammadAG: \o/
20:08.18lirakisi mean
20:08.33DocScrutinizeryes???
20:08.49ZogG_worklirakis: if you want to troll, go elsewhere, it's my Territory
20:09.07lirakisas if mameo wasnt rough enough ..... they had to ditch the whole user base who shelled out big bucks for the n900, and then push a totally undeveloped meego
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20:09.10ZogG_workonly i can troll here
20:09.17lirakisZogG_work, i only come in from time to time
20:09.23DocScrutinizertrumee: I got no clue but I guess it's something needed to emulate infrastructure mode on N900 WLAN
20:09.24lirakisjust to piss a few off, then i leave
20:09.38johnxlirakis, nah, ZogG is right. no room for two trolls. sorry :|
20:09.40ZogG_worklirakis: what's the point?
20:09.57ZogG_workto get people and yourslf more upset
20:09.58DocScrutinizerlirakis: I can help you to get task acomplisahed much faster
20:10.07SpeedEvilDoes anyone happen to know what the position is on nokia care if yous end you r n900 in for warranty service, and no fault is found?
20:10.15lirakisZogG_work, every once in a when i just get angry for ever supporting nokia
20:10.23ZogG_workDocScrutinizer51: can u talk to DocScrutinizer, to calm him down?
20:10.25lirakisi just feel i have to vent
20:10.31lirakisits productive from that perspective
20:10.42lirakisSpeedEvil, nokia never cares
20:10.45ZogG_worklirakis: ok, keep it for yourself, me too, but it's not the reason i come here
20:10.46DocScrutinizernot for this chan
20:10.48lirakisSpeedEvil, except to take your money
20:10.50DocScrutinizermaybe for you
20:10.55trumeeDocScrutinizer: joikuspot seems to be working fine on my custom kernel, thanks
20:11.04DocScrutinizeralso not for your psychatric doctor
20:11.18SpeedEvillirakis: I'm more asking what the charge might be
20:11.30lirakisok - see you guys later.   enjoy your dying device that has no support from the mfg for future updates, even though its less than a year old
20:11.37lirakisarii jaaks should be fired
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20:11.41lirakisbye bye
20:12.04johnxlirakis, bye. we'll tell you if we have a troll opening. send the resume though, and we'll keep it on file
20:12.11ZogG_workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMltvlqEM54
20:12.17SpeedEvillirakis: Have you conisdered a martyrdom attack?
20:12.37DocScrutinizerlirakis: please leave NOW!
20:12.46DocScrutinizerso I don't have to bother to ban you
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20:13.06lirakisoh sorry ...thought i hit part
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20:14.50DocScrutinizerwhat a moron
20:14.53lirakissorry ... ha ha... i just realized ari cant even be fired.  he realized that maemo and nokia have no future
20:14.57lirakisand he left
20:15.00lirakisfor hp
20:15.03*** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ
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20:15.09ZogG_work<PROTECTED>
20:15.10ZogG_worklol
20:15.10*** mode/#maemo [+b lirakis!*@*] by DocScrutinizer
20:15.13ZogG_workban him
20:15.16ZogG_workgood
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20:15.36*** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ
20:18.01ZogG_workDocScrutinizer: who is the owner of bot btw?
20:18.16DocScrutinizerwhich one? infobot?
20:19.10chxwhat does it mean if the status led is red?
20:19.26DocScrutinizerfront cam activated
20:19.28DocScrutinizerusually
20:19.40ZogG_workit blink with low bat sometimes i think too
20:19.55DocScrutinizerwith broken bat it blinks, yes
20:20.01chxah
20:20.03chxi see
20:20.12chxi did yeah -- but how do i switch it off now :)
20:20.18chxi tested a video call with a friend
20:20.54DocScrutinizerit should switch off when cam is deactivated
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20:21.30spiritdhow can I start xterm with root and bash loaded?
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20:22.14MohammadAGlol @ bot
20:22.23MohammadAGthe N900's over a year old
20:22.30DocScrutinizerdbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternWebcamActive
20:22.49DocScrutinizerbot?
20:22.59MohammadAGthe troll thingy
20:23.10DocScrutinizerthat's not been a bot I think
20:23.13MohammadAGari jaaski et all
20:23.17DocScrutinizerthat's been a troll
20:23.36MohammadAGthey both lack a life
20:23.39DocScrutinizerchx: dbus-send been for you
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20:25.06johnxMohammadAG, and yet somehow infobot is both more helpful and friendlier
20:25.38MohammadAGNoobmonk3y's alive
20:25.45Noobmonk3ywooooop!
20:25.52Noobmonk3yevvvvvening!
20:26.01Noobmonk3y:)
20:26.18MohammadAGis it a coincidence the track i'm listening to had "wooo" in it when you said woop?
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20:26.47DocScrutinizeris this >>dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternError << what you meant by blinking red?
20:26.52Noobmonk3yhahaha
20:27.17MohammadAGwhat's that even acitvated by
20:27.27DocScrutinizerbme?
20:27.36DocScrutinizerdsme?
20:27.47DocScrutinizerNFC
20:27.53MohammadAGnope
20:27.53DocScrutinizerstrings might tell you
20:28.14DocScrutinizernope what?
20:28.15MohammadAGyeah, already stringed mce and bme
20:28.28DocScrutinizerhmm mce also a candidate
20:28.57MohammadAGnot bme, nor mce, nor dsme
20:29.04DocScrutinizermce though won't probably call its own pattern definitions via dbus :-P
20:29.55MohammadAGlol!
20:29.57MohammadAG/usr/sbin/avahi-daemon:org.freedesktop.Avahi.IsPatternError
20:30.19opdf2hmm trying to update backupmenu, but it says it violates 3rd party
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20:31.10DocScrutinizermultiboot?
20:31.37opdf2i dont use multi
20:31.43DocScrutinizergood boy
20:33.06MohammadAGheh
20:33.09spiritdwhy its bad?
20:33.16DocScrutinizermaybe it conflicts with its own version1?
20:35.38opdf2nm i thought it was backmenu
20:35.46opdf2it is bootmenu that won't update
20:35.55opdf2conflicts with backupmenu
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20:36.25opdf2backmenu it dependent on bootmenu, though. I'll try uninstall both then reinstall backupmanu
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20:38.51yacc900Any howto to enable PAN on the N900? (as server)
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20:41.10yacc900the wiki is not really helpful, DUN is not an option as the Archos dislikes my SIM card on DUMN access
20:42.15MrBawbyacc900: what about wifi instead? http://mobilehotspot.garage.maemo.org/
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20:43.27yacc900MrBawb: well bluetooth uses usually less power and the Archos is very touchy about WLANs
20:44.28yacc900It does not support wlan in adhoc mode
20:45.27johnxwow...
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20:46.09spiritdyou can use airbase-ng
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20:47.18yacc900airbase-ng?
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20:49.19yacc900so does the wlan hotspot on the n900 be adhoc or ap mode?
20:49.29MrBawbadhoc
20:49.48MrBawblast I heard, there was a problem using the n900 as an AP
20:49.52spiritdyacc if you ll use airbase-ng it can be AP
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20:50.33yacc900not a solution as the Archos does not do adhoc mode
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20:50.58yacc900So why does the n900 no pan?
20:51.30johnxlooks like it does, but it's a pain to set it up for internet sharing
20:53.45opdf2worked
20:54.45yacc900johnx well, you need dnsmasq for dhcp and probably the powerkernel for iptables NAT support
20:55.50DocScrutinizerPAN: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=454840#post454840
20:56.22johnxyacc900, exactly. and unlike the wifi ad-hoc there isn't a nice package to set it all up
20:56.26johnxso I just use mobilehotspot
20:57.51yacc900docscrutinzer: wrong direction, I want the N900 as server
20:58.29MrBawbhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 < that seems to cove it
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21:07.32yaccjohnx, the problem is that I have not found any description of how to set it up at all.
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21:08.15yaccI can manage the dhcp/nat issues on my own, but the last time I did it, I had a binary pand or so around, and this one is missing on the N900
21:08.25johnxyacc, look at the last post from MrBawb. did that answer your question?
21:08.45yaccjohnx please repeat, I lost Internet connectivity :(
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21:09.00johnx<MrBawb> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58570 < that seems to cove it
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21:15.03yaccsigh, ok, I think I should now install the power kernel, ...
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21:18.20yaccWondering, is installing the power kernel one of the operations that can brick a device? *wonder*
21:18.42MrBawbI've been using the power kernel for months and it works for me (tm)
21:19.04TamyrlinSomething I've wondered is whether it is possible to install software that bricks the device in such a way that it can't be reflashed
21:19.20Tamyrlin(Excluding overclocking the device so that it breaks for that reason)
21:21.08TamyrlinThat is, how paranoid should one be when for example hacking configuration files
21:21.49SpeedEvilBasically - anything not involving flashing the bootloader is almost risk-free
21:21.59SpeedEvilOr direct writes to /dev/mtd* partitions
21:22.17nomisMhm, I have just dput a package to fremantle-extras-builder - it built a i386 image although it should be architecture neutral.
21:22.18SpeedEvilscrewing up the 'normal' filesystem is a simple reflash
21:22.28nomiswhat am I missing?
21:22.36TamyrlinOk, but it is possible to overwrite the bootloader? *ouch*
21:24.09nomis(build log is here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/tvbgone_1.0.0-1/ )
21:25.35TamyrlinHmm, although it seems like it might be possible to recover even from a missing bootloader: https://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
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21:31.06yaccSo is there a way to install software that makes the device not reflashable?
21:32.11johnxyacc, if you really wanted to, you could probably find a way to do some damage by writing some malicious kernel code
21:32.53TamyrlinHmm, I remember reading about the flash, that you could probably destroy the LED by turning them on for too long for example
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21:34.06johnsqyacc: edit the kernel remove the flash write routine and flsh it one time
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21:36.04TamyrlinHeh, just after I bought my N900 I wanted to upgrade it to the newest version. I even found a Windows XP box so that I could use the official Nokia tools to do so. And of course, it failed.
21:36.27TamyrlinBut I could get it working with flasher-3.5 however from a Linux box
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21:38.10alteregoTamyrlin: from the dawn of Maemo the main development and support platform has been Linux.
21:38.32alteregoIt's only really the N900 that bought proper Nokia support for windows.
21:38.42alteregoWhich is a refreshing change :)
21:38.56TamyrlinAha, didn't know about that detail
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21:40.55TamyrlinAnyway, for various reasons I bought it slightly used, but I still had a regular warranty on the device. And I thought that if I managed to brick the device completely during the update process it might be easier to use the warranty if I had used a Windows XP based tool to do the updating.
21:41.39yaccTamyrlin, ???
21:42.08alteregoUnless you have a defective device, or do something really stupid the N900 is quite unbrickable.
21:42.25yaccTamyrlin, how should that make a difference?
21:42.29Tamyrlinalterego: Yeah, it seems like that, but I didn't know that for sure when I had just bought it :)
21:42.43alteregoAnd I mean _really_ stupid. Making it unbootable is easy though :)
21:42.54yaccalterego, define something stupid?
21:42.54alteregoBut easy to repair usual.
21:43.07alteregoyacc: pulling usb cord out whilst flashing
21:43.07MohammadAGalterego, it is brickable
21:43.12Tamyrlinyacc: Well, lets just say that I go into the store where I bought the device and say "I used the Nokia PC Suite and now the device doesn't work anymore"
21:43.16MohammadAGhands alterego 100kgs of bricks
21:43.22alteregoOr flashing random untested crap to bootloader.
21:43.27yaccTamyrlin, you say just it does not work, ...
21:43.34Tamyrlinyacc: Compared to "I downloaded a flashing tool for Linux which I found on the maemo website"
21:43.39alteregoWhen you don't fully understand what you're doing.
21:43.58yaccTamyrlin, you think the guy at the shop will even understand what you are saying?
21:44.10Tamyrlinyacc: Not the last alternative at least :)
21:44.33TamyrlinOr well, actually, you might be surprised
21:44.49TamyrlinThe guy at the store seemed to know quite well what the N900 was
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21:49.19alteregoHeh, "Nokia 900" I wouldn't expect that on an official Nokia/Qt blog ..
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22:03.40yaccOk, where can I define a script that gets run when bnep0 comes up?
22:03.53yacc/etc/network/interfaces seems to be ignored, but I'll test in a moment again ;)
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22:05.00yaccCan it be that the power kernel is missing some modules by default: When I plug in the USB cable no pop up comes, only after running mad and selecting windows networking the popup shows up. The host PC does not show any USB devices either, ...
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22:07.07MohammadAGalterego, where?
22:11.39psycho_oreospower kernel isn't missing anything, I can get pc suite mode after plugging in the USB cable between the n900 and the PC
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22:12.19psycho_oreosshould I say its not missing anything of that sort..
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22:21.14duesehello
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22:31.24nomisMhm, I think tvbgone made it into the repositories.
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22:57.15crashanddie_why I declined an invitation to CES this year, I don't know: http://ces.cnet.com/2300-32254_1-10006165-16.html?s=0&o=10006165&tag=mncol;page
22:58.53alteregoHello :D
22:59.18alteregoAnyway, there are always hot girls at tech conferences
22:59.44crashanddie_yeah,but hot damn, that brown chick?
23:01.13alteregoI wouldn't rate one above the other tbh
23:01.18MohammadAGdoesn't france have hot girls?
23:01.29MohammadAGholy crap
23:01.41DocScrutinizer51wazzup?
23:01.50crashanddie_DocScrutinizer51: check link
23:01.54alteregoThere are hot girls everywhere :P
23:02.22crashanddie_yeah, but these ones already know you're a geek (because you're at a tech conference), and still talk to you
23:02.32MohammadAGalterego, usually, you try to go out with them, not decline the invitations
23:02.33DocScrutinizer51I'm a Asia fan
23:03.06crashanddie_DocScrutinizer51: I'm dating a half caucasian, half korean chick who grew up in India ;)
23:03.29DocScrutinizer51crashanddie_: go to the district. Same applies (except s/geek/redneck/)
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23:03.46MohammadAGhttp://ces.cnet.com/2300-32254_1-10006165-17.html?s=0&o=10006165&tag=mncol;thum second thoughts anyone
23:04.06DocScrutinizer51they get paid for talking to you in both cases
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23:04.20crashanddie_MohammadAG: I don't like the whorish look
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23:04.31DocScrutinizer51and usually they hate it
23:05.00crashanddie_wtf, I wanted to google "list of community episodes", and ended up with qpixmap?
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23:08.00DocScrutinizer51Hoshi Sato >> seven
23:08.23MohammadAGcrashanddie_, did I say I do?
23:08.34MohammadAGdid*
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23:09.35MohammadAGsh: Hoshi not found
23:09.46ZogG_workho
23:11.40ZogG_workThe theremin was originally the product of Russian government-sponsored research into proximity sensors
23:11.41ZogG_worklol
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23:13.56crashanddie_oh, and if anyone doesn't know community, just watch these three clips: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GlCN7sLh6Gk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcD_Y838DXA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BYci5cbZAIA&feature=related
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23:16.22ZogG_workcrashanddie_: community tvshow?
23:16.28crashanddie_aye
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23:17.30ZogG_workhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JMbIE4wlxA
23:17.33ZogG_workcrashanddie_: this is better
23:17.41ZogG_workthough bibliotek is classic
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23:18.38crashanddie_no, this is the best: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hRhrdwgcfBw&NR=1
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23:19.57ZogG_workcrashanddie_: no, this http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DO1LNJX2lwQ
23:20.32alteregoJust used my N900 to watch a filem on my xbox
23:20.42ZogG_workfilem?
23:20.47ZogG_workfilm
23:20.48alteregoUsing my remote controller app and a usb cord in mass storage
23:20.49ZogG_work?
23:20.52alteregoyes :P
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23:21.07alteregoSorry, it's a private joke :D
23:21.08ZogG_workcrashanddie_: el tigre chino
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23:21.19Shapeshifterwtf happened to ping -W? busybox?
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23:21.42nomischem|st: I just put the tvbgone package into maemo Extras. If you're curious, check it out.
23:21.56alteregoWhat do it do?
23:22.16alteregodoes ..
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23:23.16Shapeshiftertimeout in seconds
23:23.17SpeedEvilIt provides an aiming graticule so you can throw your n900 accurately through the TV.
23:24.09nomisalterego: it sends lots of infrared tv switch off codes.
23:24.25Shapeshifterbah busybox. curses!!
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23:27.42Shapeshifterboo busybox, yay whoever packaged real ping for the repos
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23:29.36ZogG_workShapeshifter: don't like it? do it better
23:32.15DocScrutinizer51~messybox
23:32.16infobotmessy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils
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23:37.05MrBawbShapeshifter: you might want to check out the package mtr-tiny if you haven't already
23:37.40DocScrutinizer51yay for mtr
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23:40.15alteregonomis: oh, I've got a script that does that so I can find out remotes for whatever device.
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23:50.36nomisalterego: yeah, this applet is more about switching off that annoying TV in the restaurant...  :)
23:50.53alteregoHeh
23:51.10alteregoWell, my script does the same thing :P
23:51.30alteregoThough it tells you the config file, so you know how to change the channel.
23:52.03jacekowskii've tried it
23:52.07jacekowskiand it worked first time
23:52.10jacekowskibut not second
23:52.12jacekowskiand third
23:54.54alteregoHeh
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23:56.20Tuco_mariayo
23:56.39Tuco_mariawhere can i get CHROME for MAEMO?
23:57.11alteregoI don't KNOW
23:58.11Tuco_mariaoh my...
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