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| 00:15.32 | sanova | i would like to discuss an alternative mirror for easy-debian images. Now download is too slow. Is it possible? |
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| 00:21.22 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=536336#c0 is an explanation of why using copyright... makes no sense |
| 00:21.24 | povbot | Bug 536336: was not found. |
| 00:21.32 | timeless_mbp | yes dumb bot |
| 00:23.27 | kerio | show_bug.cgi?id=13371337 |
| 00:23.34 | kerio | hm |
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| 00:28.49 | lolloo | how do you give bot a cookie to eat? |
| 00:29.40 | lolloo | ~cookie |
| 00:30.06 | lolloo | ~cracker |
| 00:30.06 | infobot | methinks cracker is defined at http://www.catb.org/~esr/jargon/html/entry/cracker.html |
| 00:31.34 | nox- | ~botsnack |
| 00:31.34 | infobot | thanks, nox- |
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| 00:31.53 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 00:31.53 | infobot | aw, gee, kerio |
| 00:31.58 | kerio | ^_^ so cute |
| 00:32.08 | lolloo | ~botsnack |
| 00:32.08 | infobot | lolloo: aw, gee |
| 00:32.24 | kerio | ~botsnack |
| 00:32.24 | infobot | kerio: :) |
| 00:32.30 | kerio | :DDDDDDD |
| 00:32.33 | lolloo | hehe |
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| 00:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | I told her she'll get fat on too much snacks |
| 00:32.49 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 00:33.05 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: :( |
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| 00:39.40 | GeneralAntilles | lardman: I already know my currency. Learning a new one isn't "easier". :P |
| 00:40.14 | luke-jr | peers at GeneralAntilles |
| 00:40.44 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr: creeper. |
| 00:40.51 | lardman | imagine being a 10 year old and choosing between lots of green notes which are all the same size and colour, and only have different numbers on them, vs different size and colour notes |
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| 00:41.12 | GeneralAntilles | Size would make me crazy. |
| 00:41.18 | GeneralAntilles | Besides, the designs are way different. |
| 00:41.22 | lardman | thinks, apart from the USA-bashing, that different sizes and colours is easier |
| 00:41.48 | lardman | sure but still hard when it's dark/dim lighting |
| 00:41.54 | lardman | which sounds quite bad :) |
| 00:42.05 | derf | I find the different sizes make it harder to fold into a neat wad in my pocket. |
| 00:42.28 | derf | But I understand that might be less of a concern than being able to tell bills apart at all if you're blind. |
| 00:42.29 | lardman | derf: that is certainly true, but we're talking about differentiating between notes here |
| 00:42.51 | lardman | s/blind/blind drunk |
| 00:43.08 | lardman | bit of a difference between $10 and $100 ;) |
| 00:43.24 | derf | No one over here uses bills over $20. |
| 00:43.29 | derf | Well, not real people anyway. |
| 00:43.42 | lardman | ah well perhaps that's my problem being a tourist |
| 00:43.49 | alterego | Do we have a GPS cellid logger yet? |
| 00:44.02 | lardman | at least i can tell the $1 notes apart as they are almost falling apart normally |
| 00:44.29 | alterego | Actually .. |
| 00:45.01 | alterego | Erm, yeah, do we? |
| 00:45.25 | MohammadAG | what's a cellid logger got to do with GPS? |
| 00:45.47 | alterego | It would allow us to ascertain the location of cells |
| 00:46.03 | alterego | So we can catalog cell towers with rough gps coverage |
| 00:46.25 | MohammadAG | hmm, strace the location daemon? :P |
| 00:46.29 | lardman | speaking of cellids, this was interesting to read, I hope it doesn't damage the reputation of opensource phones: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12094227 |
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| 00:46.58 | alterego | lardman: I've actually just bought a phone compatible with osmocombb |
| 00:47.06 | lardman | :) |
| 00:47.48 | alterego | lardman: reminds me of the days when you could pick up your neighbours phone calls with a simple receiver :D |
| 00:47.56 | SpeedEvil | you still can |
| 00:48.01 | SpeedEvil | decoding them is harder |
| 00:48.09 | alterego | Sure, I meant analog, before dect :P |
| 00:48.25 | alterego | Hell, you could do the same to the first cell phones iirc |
| 00:48.31 | alterego | That were analog right? |
| 00:48.41 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:48.43 | alterego | Just cell enabled walky talkies basically. |
| 00:48.49 | nox- | dect can be mitm'd too... |
| 00:49.03 | alterego | nox-: I don't doubt, and I bet it's well easy. |
| 00:49.11 | nox- | hehe |
| 00:49.21 | alterego | This on the other hand puts the ability of anyone with the will into basically being able to track anyone by their phone number. |
| 00:49.31 | nox- | yeah |
| 00:49.47 | lardman | hmm, /me realises he doesn't actually have tomorrow off work, bed time |
| 00:49.51 | lardman | night chaps |
| 00:50.27 | alterego | And with a bit more money/effort they'd be able to listen into peoples calls live and receive their sms messages for about 2k |
| 00:50.35 | alterego | Which is pennies .. |
| 00:50.51 | MohammadAG | wants an open source N900 modem driver :P |
| 00:51.04 | alterego | Wont work with 3G calls though |
| 00:51.11 | nox- | and then there was that other talk about baseband gsm security holes... |
| 00:51.16 | SpeedEvil | alterego: 3G jammer |
| 00:51.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:51.27 | SpeedEvil | most carriers have 2g/3g |
| 00:51.27 | alterego | yeah, |
| 00:51.32 | MohammadAG | alterego, most people I know are 2G |
| 00:52.02 | MohammadAG | and by most I mean only 2 or 3 have 3G |
| 00:52.12 | alterego | It'll be interesting to see if this is the beginning of surge of cellular security. |
| 00:52.26 | alterego | Because 3G is basically just a stage up from 2G and a lot of the tech is identical. |
| 00:52.49 | MohammadAG | and 4G is a stage up from 3G? :P |
| 00:52.58 | alterego | writes a plugin for columbus to do cellid logging |
| 00:53.04 | pupnik | this is good |
| 00:53.07 | MohammadAG | the matrix is collapsing |
| 00:53.10 | alterego | pupnik: ? |
| 00:53.17 | nox- | oh and there was one about gsm geolocation and android security too (which also had a way to query google apis to get locations of cellids) |
| 00:53.23 | pupnik | since governments track people by their phones, people should be able to track phones as well |
| 00:53.35 | alterego | nox-: yeah, I was thinking we could do the same with ovi maps ;) |
| 00:53.47 | MohammadAG | ovi, haha |
| 00:53.48 | nox- | :) |
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| 00:54.11 | alterego | Well, at least for me, ovi maps seems to be able to coarse locate me by cellid straight away .. |
| 00:54.24 | alterego | It's how the agps works |
| 00:54.34 | pupnik | since the privacy battle is lost. let's support the openness battle |
| 00:54.46 | alterego | pupnik: :D |
| 00:54.52 | nox- | mh :) |
| 00:55.13 | alterego | Hey, I'm all for it, if we could blow open the cellular network then maybe the system and handsets could just evolve into computers. |
| 00:55.47 | alterego | Using SIP and such over the mobile carrier and effectively turn the GSM/Â3G etc networks into wifi hotspots ;) |
| 00:55.59 | pupnik | yes, like that - somehow. |
| 00:57.01 | alterego | I also read today about a CUDA accelerated WPA/2 brute force cracker. |
| 00:58.17 | SpeedEvil | wpa2 passphrase cracker? |
| 00:58.18 | pupnik | "Juniper said that one Fortune 15 company discovered that 5% - or 25,000 - of its mobile devices were infected with malware." |
| 00:58.57 | alterego | SpeedEvil: PSK yeah |
| 00:58.57 | nox- | mobile devices include windows laptops? |
| 00:59.04 | alterego | Hahah |
| 00:59.11 | alterego | nox-: I'd imagine that was their entire stat ;) |
| 00:59.22 | ds3 | stop relying on L2 encryption |
| 00:59.32 | alterego | ds3: ? |
| 01:00.19 | nox- | djb's talk was also... interesting |
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| 01:02.56 | ds3 | alterego: encrypt on the app level... screw WPA/WEP and all the other crap |
| 01:03.11 | ds3 | remember you are on a broadcast network; encrypt your apps |
| 01:03.39 | nox- | (he basically proposed an encrypted tcp replacement on top of udp together with dnscurve to replace https) |
| 01:04.42 | alterego | ds3: I agree with that from a personal security perspective, my comms are usually sent through socks to a remote server. But that doesn't stop people breaking your wifis |
| 01:05.16 | alterego | btw, just got the ephemeris data and full transaction dump to supl.nokia.com |
| 01:05.27 | alterego | Should have cellid query in that and lat lon somewhere. |
| 01:05.28 | MohammadAG | CUDA, isn't that NVidia? |
| 01:05.30 | alterego | pokes. |
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| 01:05.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: yes, it's a parallel/vector processing language kind of C like |
| 01:06.18 | MohammadAG | it's a language? o_O |
| 01:06.28 | MohammadAG | I thought it was some feature in their gfx cards |
| 01:06.36 | alterego | It makes parallel computations extremely efficient and allows you to write computationally intesive code on your graphics cards GPU |
| 01:06.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: it is |
| 01:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, both? |
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| 01:07.07 | MohammadAG | how does a GPU help crack a WPA? |
| 01:07.58 | alterego | Because you can use it for number crunching |
| 01:08.06 | alterego | And it's a lot better at doing it than your CPU |
| 01:08.32 | alterego | It's basically a parallel processing set of FP DSP cores |
| 01:08.47 | alterego | It's the future maaaan. |
| 01:09.03 | MohammadAG | interesting |
| 01:09.05 | alterego | Modern GPUs have >512 cores iirc |
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| 01:12.59 | alterego | Think I've got it. |
| 01:13.00 | alterego | ~@. |
| 01:13.00 | infobot | i heard @ is where it's at |
| 01:13.09 | alterego | Hah |
| 01:13.14 | alterego | Erm, think I've cracked it ;) |
| 01:17.41 | MohammadAG | alterego, do you think something like the nokia mediaplayer's bottom right spinning animated widget would be better done with QTimer or a timeline thingy? |
| 01:18.11 | alterego | A timer |
| 01:18.46 | MohammadAG | was thinking of making it pop up like the buttons in columbus too :P |
| 01:19.03 | alterego | Heh |
| 01:19.14 | alterego | Well, it's supposed to be an indicator, so I wouldn't :P |
| 01:20.58 | MohammadAG | hmm, good point |
| 01:21.21 | MohammadAG | noticed that nokia's mediaplayer make an instance of it on each window |
| 01:21.46 | MohammadAG | I wonder if there's a flag in Qt so it's always visible on all windows |
| 01:26.32 | pupnik | this would be cool - http://i.imgur.com/3al7Q.jpg archos a70s plus psion netbook keyboard - in a leather case |
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| 01:41.41 | alterego | wonders if he's killed supl.nokia.com |
| 01:42.25 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 01:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe supl.nokia.com "killed" you |
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| 01:45.07 | MohammadAG | he looks alive to me |
| 01:45.13 | MohammadAG | unless they killed his alter ego |
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| 01:47.27 | ssylee | has anyone here encountered a situation with their nokia internet tablet's LCD being damaged? |
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| 02:04.22 | comawhite | i wish there was a console version of sms |
| 02:04.37 | comawhite | since I can ssh in to my phone |
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| 02:05.42 | MohammadAG | there is one on tmo |
| 02:05.56 | MohammadAG | it's in python |
| 02:06.36 | pupnik | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 02:06.53 | comawhite | thank you |
| 02:07.29 | pupnik | that was 15 seconds with google. you should be kicked |
| 02:07.58 | comawhite | anal much? |
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| 02:08.22 | pupnik | it helps to not be a lazy idiot, comawhite |
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| 02:08.57 | comawhite | i wasn't dildo |
| 02:09.09 | comawhite | i did n900 console sms dur |
| 02:12.10 | alterego | Well, I've implemented the start of routing infrastructure into Columbus |
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| 02:12.30 | alterego | Just need to create some forms for creating chains of waypoints to create a route manually. |
| 02:12.46 | alterego | Then V1 RC1 will be ready. |
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| 02:13.47 | nox- | you're writing another mapping app? |
| 02:14.00 | alterego | nox-: nope |
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| 02:14.09 | alterego | nox-: well, not until V2 .. |
| 02:14.17 | nox- | heh |
| 02:14.27 | alterego | nox-: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 02:14.37 | alterego | It's more in the vein of a handheld GPS |
| 02:14.50 | alterego | It's not meant to be a Tom Tom replacement or anything, there's plenty of those .. |
| 02:15.37 | nox- | i c |
| 02:16.27 | alterego | But inevitably, in the future I will probably add some mapping capability, as that seems to be what everyone wants. |
| 02:16.41 | alterego | Then I guess it can join all those other lame mapping applications. |
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| 02:17.12 | nox- | :) |
| 02:17.36 | nox- | cloudgps doesnt look too bad (unless you want routing) |
| 02:18.00 | alterego | Oh yeah, my maps will definitely be hw accelerated ;) |
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| 02:18.15 | nox- | :) |
| 02:18.27 | alterego | I also want to use SRTM data |
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| 02:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | ummm dead birds falling out of the skies in Arkansas? :-o |
| 02:21.06 | nox- | yeah and 3.something quake in uk... |
| 02:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | damn what strange tests is US army running? |
| 02:22.04 | alterego | Don't forget those fish in ark too |
| 02:22.08 | alterego | And the floods in Australia |
| 02:22.22 | alterego | And the blizzards in the deep south :D |
| 02:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | floods in Australia aren't really exciting |
| 02:22.47 | alterego | Neah, they get all the excitement, |
| 02:22.50 | alterego | Floods, fires blah |
| 02:23.01 | alterego | Though, Moscow had fires aswell :/ |
| 02:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | but 1000s of birds falling out of the sky dead, it's a bit strange |
| 02:23.16 | nox- | that it is |
| 02:23.24 | alterego | Yeah, and apparently the fish too. |
| 02:24.13 | pupnik | once hundreds of fish fell out of the sky near my house. a waterspout sucked them up from a lake |
| 02:24.26 | alterego | Yeah, |
| 02:24.38 | alterego | Quite common, fish raining. |
| 02:24.41 | alterego | Happened in London once. |
| 02:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | wonder in which lake such a spout could suck up dead birds :-P |
| 02:25.15 | alterego | Hahah |
| 02:25.23 | alterego | Maybe it was the oil spill ;) |
| 02:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | ohh yeah |
| 02:25.42 | nox- | or hail? |
| 02:25.50 | alterego | Possibly ../ |
| 02:26.28 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> but 1000s of birds falling out of the sky dead, it's a bit strange |
| 02:26.30 | MohammadAG | what? |
| 02:27.03 | radec | yeah just heard that on npr |
| 02:27.05 | radec | strange |
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| 02:28.27 | DocScrutinizer | you'd think hail of the size needed to instantly kill birds would have been noticed on ground level |
| 02:29.05 | nox- | i could have melted further down into rain... |
| 02:29.08 | radec | DocScrutinizer, lol |
| 02:29.14 | nox- | err it |
| 02:29.16 | radec | you would think |
| 02:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | needs a damn hot hairdryer to melt a hail grain^H^H ball of the size to kill a bird, on its way down from 2000, maybe 3000m to ground |
| 02:31.20 | nox- | yeah maybe... |
| 02:31.31 | alterego | It's pretty unlikely tbh :P |
| 02:31.42 | nox- | but what else could it have been? |
| 02:31.44 | alterego | More likely static electricity from the clouds just killed them all. |
| 02:31.46 | alterego | Muahahahah |
| 02:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | hahahahaha |
| 02:31.59 | nox- | *g* |
| 02:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | radar or other microwave sounds more plausible to me |
| 02:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | or poison |
| 02:32.56 | nox- | hmm |
| 02:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | when if not at new year's fireworks you could fire a rocket with some antrax or dunno what, and nobody would notice |
| 02:33.48 | nox- | :( |
| 02:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, new year is a few days ago |
| 02:34.08 | radec | npr said there was loud explosion type sounds heard and then the birds which was a type that normally nest at night started flying around and running into things and dying from internal bleeding from hitting things so hard. |
| 02:34.27 | nox- | oh |
| 02:34.33 | MohammadAG | aren't they from angry birds? |
| 02:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | radec: sounds odd |
| 02:36.53 | alterego | Hah, yeah, all the birds that fall in the name of duty killing those bitch pigs suddenly materialised ontop of ark |
| 02:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 02:37.26 | MohammadAG | I bet that wasn't a 3 star round then |
| 02:37.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 02:37.54 | alterego | Well, if it was I'm sure there'd be more than a few thousand. |
| 02:38.02 | alterego | Wasn't it all one particular breed of bird as well? |
| 02:38.07 | alterego | Like it is with the fish? |
| 02:38.22 | MohammadAG | angry fish, hmm, rovio need to up their game |
| 02:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: not from the 3s video on TV |
| 02:39.14 | alterego | remembers James Pond |
| 02:39.18 | DocScrutinizer | looked like 2 or 3 different kind of birds on that street, with not really so much nearby where a bird could run into at night |
| 02:39.31 | alterego | Hrm, m'kay |
| 02:39.52 | alterego | I'm sure it's some kind of poison in the food chain. |
| 02:40.00 | alterego | Possibly water. |
| 02:40.15 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, activated by a special detonation sound |
| 02:40.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 02:40.29 | alterego | Seems like the most likely explaination to me, but then, I guess we'll find out after they properly examine the birds. |
| 02:40.51 | alterego | Activated by electric hail stones actually :P |
| 02:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | let's see what wikileaks will tell us about it in 2 years XD |
| 02:40.58 | alterego | Created by bitch pigs :D |
| 02:41.03 | alterego | Hahah |
| 02:41.37 | nox- | haha |
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| 02:43.48 | nox- | http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2011/01/03/navy-to-investigate-commanders-vulgar-videos/ |
| 02:44.25 | nox- | if picard had known... :) |
| 02:45.15 | DocScrutinizer | thinks about a modified EMP bomb (detonator-coppercylinder-type), fitted to a microwave emitter to convert the detonation's energy in last copper winding (MegaAmps, KV) |
| 02:45.36 | nox- | o_O |
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| 02:50.48 | alterego | For some insane reason I'm thinking of implementing a DBUS API for Columbus .. |
| 02:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | to do what? |
| 02:51.28 | alterego | To signal certain events happening, like a waypoint being created/updated/deleted or reached. |
| 02:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | (not that a proper dbus api is anything bad at all - I just remember the times where almost all my apps had a REXX interface) |
| 02:51.56 | nox- | haha |
| 02:52.43 | alterego | Well, it'd be useful if I wanted to make libcolumbus into a service. |
| 02:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | I personally prefer scripting hooks, but yeah |
| 02:53.04 | alterego | Then have the UI talk through DBUS, kind of like how mafw and media player work. |
| 02:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | (hooks) an execve() is the most generic communication interface you could have, I think. Assuming you pass the proper arguments |
| 02:55.22 | alterego | Not sure what you mean. |
| 02:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | system("waypoint-reached.sh", waypoint-id, context-id, foo, bar) |
| 02:57.37 | alterego | urgh |
| 02:57.40 | DocScrutinizer | for dbus you could call dbus-send in waypoint-reached.sh |
| 02:57.40 | alterego | seriously? |
| 02:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | if you have a system without dbus, you can easily modify waypoint-reached.sh to your new needs |
| 02:58.23 | alterego | Why don't I just create 'waypoint-reached.d' and call run parts :P |
| 02:58.39 | kerio | not enuff redirection |
| 02:58.52 | alterego | Right, I can see that. |
| 02:59.04 | alterego | But I'm not going to be running on a device that doesn't have dbus. |
| 02:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, of course. Always a question of design goals |
| 02:59.29 | alterego | Not to mention, that's not portable to symbian or windows |
| 03:00.17 | DocScrutinizer | umm, not? |
| 03:00.34 | kerio | clearly we need a running daemon that takes messages and dispatches them |
| 03:00.45 | kerio | we could call it dbus |
| 03:01.37 | alterego | Heh |
| 03:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | you're not generally interested in a uniform anonymous messaging, not always |
| 03:03.49 | alterego | ffs, how do you get lat/lon from google maps |
| 03:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | esp on small clearly defines systems it's usually cruft |
| 03:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | though otoh e.g CANBUS is exactly that |
| 03:06.05 | kerio | yeah, it would be as stupid as using a full-fledged sw audio mixer that has performance problems on desktop computers on a phone |
| 03:06.17 | DocScrutinizer | HEHE |
| 03:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | X-P? |
| 03:06.29 | DocScrutinizer | -? |
| 03:06.34 | kerio | no :< |
| 03:06.36 | kerio | imad |
| 03:06.49 | nox- | alterego, upper right corner above the map, `Link'? |
| 03:06.54 | kerio | i srsly mad |
| 03:09.16 | alterego | nox-: yeah, using that :/ |
| 03:11.23 | alterego | Cool, that werked |
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| 03:13.18 | alterego | Heh, I might write a small tool that allows you to paste in google may urls and it creates waypoints. |
| 03:13.25 | alterego | s/may/map |
| 03:29.56 | alterego | I'm gonna miss conboy |
| 03:30.12 | alterego | I might hack together a Qt clone |
| 03:30.16 | alterego | Qornboy |
| 03:30.30 | alterego | QtBoy |
| 03:30.38 | alterego | chuckles |
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| 03:43.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh, reading maemo info center with microb is a ROYAL PITA |
| 03:44.49 | Arkenoi | alterego, what's wrong with conboy? |
| 03:45.12 | Arkenoi | (btw desktop tomboy sucks badly) |
| 03:45.14 | alterego | Arkenoi: it's not ready for MeeGo or HArmatten/Meego |
| 03:45.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | (""this website optimized for ms explorer, as we thought if you could browse here using linux then you probably wouldn't need to come here at all"") |
| 03:45.25 | alterego | And it's one of my most used apps on the N900 currently. |
| 03:45.33 | alterego | I'd very much miss it :( |
| 03:46.15 | Arkenoi | alterego, sounds bad, not because of conboy exactly but just as indication we have broken apis there. what exactly prevents it from being run there? |
| 03:46.34 | alterego | conboy is Gtk, MeeGo and Harmatten are Qt |
| 03:46.53 | alterego | Hence me thinking of knocking up a QtBoy ;) |
| 03:47.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~conboy |
| 03:47.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | thought as much |
| 03:48.05 | Arkenoi | alterego, i've been told there still will be gtk on meego, at least in n9 release, is it wrong? if yes, it damn sucks |
| 03:48.31 | alterego | It'll be available as much as it may be in the repo to be used as a dep |
| 03:48.36 | Arkenoi | (as a legacy api but still present) |
| 03:48.40 | alterego | But it wont be integrated with the system or compositor. |
| 03:48.55 | alterego | So there's no way to know how well Gtk apps will work. |
| 03:49.02 | Arkenoi | alterego, does it really make things different? |
| 03:49.10 | alterego | And there's also a rumour going around that Harmatten has been discontinued. |
| 03:49.44 | alterego | Which mean MeeGo will be next and that doesn't have to maintain any Maemo backward compatibility. |
| 03:50.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | NO? |
| 03:50.37 | Arkenoi | damn it sucks. i'd prefer n9 running harmattan "community release" instead |
| 03:50.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | methought that's been the big promise |
| 03:51.15 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: call me pessimistic, but it's a promise that can go out of the window if they scrap Harmatten. |
| 03:52.28 | Arkenoi | ah, this is the way they try to force developers to write symbian-compatible qt software. it is not possible to "force" developers to anything, they will just say "fuck nokia" and switch to android. |
| 03:52.52 | alterego | Maybe, |
| 03:52.57 | alterego | I'm happy to use Qt |
| 03:53.01 | alterego | I like using Qt |
| 03:53.20 | nox- | android uses gtk? |
| 03:53.21 | alterego | And I'm happy to implement/port apps I want to Qt |
| 03:53.38 | Arkenoi | qt is ok as long as there are all familliar backends in place as well. and gtk too. |
| 03:54.20 | alterego | Which you generally don't get across multiple OSs :) |
| 03:55.55 | Arkenoi | alterego, and we do not need to. symbian touch is dead shit, screw it. |
| 03:56.08 | alterego | It's not dead yet |
| 03:56.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, is there a way to hide() all contents of a layout? |
| 03:56.31 | Arkenoi | bot it is spreading cadaver poison and bad smell already |
| 03:56.36 | alterego | And I'm not just talking about Symbian, I'd really like my app to run on Maemo, MeeGo, Symbian, Desktop Linux, Server Linux and Windows |
| 03:56.42 | alterego | Not OS X though |
| 03:56.44 | alterego | That can fuck off. |
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| 03:56.48 | alterego | chuckles. |
| 03:56.49 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 03:57.05 | Arkenoi | alterego, gtk will do as well |
| 03:57.22 | alterego | Arkenoi: don't make me laugh :P |
| 03:57.47 | alterego | Gtk is a complete PITA on anything other than UNIX like OSs |
| 03:58.22 | alterego | Also, Qt is a nice complete framework that supports a lot more than just UI |
| 03:58.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: hide=true? |
| 03:58.44 | alterego | Where as gobject based libs and frameworks would all need to be ported to all platforms. |
| 03:58.46 | MohammadAG | screw you, I was just typing that |
| 03:58.49 | MohammadAG | ( @ alterego :P) |
| 03:58.54 | alterego | And it'd get horrible. |
| 03:59.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, hmm, not the layout itself |
| 03:59.04 | MohammadAG | the contents of it |
| 03:59.06 | alterego | MohammadAG: you want to hide all elements in a Layout? |
| 03:59.11 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes |
| 03:59.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 03:59.21 | alterego | Why not the whole layout btw? |
| 03:59.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | what it 'content'? |
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| 03:59.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, cause we're switching views |
| 03:59.45 | MohammadAG | i.e I need to hide 4 widgets and show 1 |
| 03:59.51 | alterego | Hrm. |
| 03:59.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 03:59.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | do that |
| 04:00.01 | MohammadAG | Album view; artist view; song view etc |
| 04:00.16 | alterego | Why don't you stick all of that into a QWidget and hide that instead? |
| 04:00.33 | alterego | Then have your layout contain just that qwidget |
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| 04:00.41 | MohammadAG | I can hide each one manually |
| 04:00.50 | alterego | And then call that qwidget "songview" or something. |
| 04:00.52 | MohammadAG | I was wondering if there was a way to do it in one step |
| 04:01.05 | alterego | Then do, songwidget->hide() ^.^ |
| 04:01.22 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'm doing that, but there are 5 widgets to hide()/show() |
| 04:01.32 | alterego | I think you're missing my point. |
| 04:01.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | yup |
| 04:01.51 | alterego | In columbus, my views are a single widget, that widget has maybe a layout with widgets in it. |
| 04:02.22 | alterego | If I didn't have my swipe gesture support, I could hide the current view and show the next view. |
| 04:02.34 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/4yh5w5cQ <-- this isn't exactly clean code :P |
| 04:02.46 | alterego | You don't even need a root layout, you can just set geometry. |
| 04:03.07 | alterego | Yes, that's pretty ugly :P |
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| 04:05.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, it's not ugly itself, the fact that I need to do it 5 times is |
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| 04:06.30 | alterego | hrm |
| 04:06.58 | alterego | You see, when you add a widget to a layout, the widget is still the child of whatever you set the parent to (presumable the parent widget) |
| 04:07.14 | alterego | And layouts just control the geometry of the child widget. |
| 04:07.16 | DocScrutinizer | if you set parent to hidden |
| 04:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | ... |
| 04:07.39 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: would hide everything and wouldn't allow him to show his _other_ children. |
| 04:07.56 | MohammadAG | alterego, here's the UI btw http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg |
| 04:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | that'S what I thought, yeah |
| 04:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | ooh wouldn't :-S |
| 04:09.12 | alterego | foreach(QObject *target, layout->widget()->children() {QWidget *widget = qobject_cast<QWidget*>(target); if(widget != NULL) widget.hide(); } |
| 04:09.16 | alterego | That will probably do what you want. |
| 04:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | I always thought a hidden widget with childs is truely invisible and wouldn't interfere with other visible overlapping widgets |
| 04:09.27 | alterego | With an extra brace. |
| 04:09.37 | alterego | s/dren()/dren())/ |
| 04:10.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: the parent widget in this case is the parent of both of his views widgets. |
| 04:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | then he needs a different layout |
| 04:10.30 | alterego | He needs to split it into two seperate widgets :P |
| 04:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 04:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I said, no? |
| 04:11.31 | DocScrutinizer | widget-frame-or-whatever->child-button1; ->child-button2... |
| 04:11.31 | alterego | Well, layouts are something else. |
| 04:11.40 | alterego | I guess it's just a mixture of terminology. |
| 04:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | widget-frame-or-whatever.visible=false |
| 04:12.33 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: yeah, that's the basic idea. |
| 04:12.39 | MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo-test/../test/mediaplayer/musicwindow.cpp:262: error: request for member 'hide' in 'widget', which is of non-class type 'QWidget*' |
| 04:13.09 | alterego | widget->hide() |
| 04:13.12 | alterego | Sorry ;) |
| 04:13.17 | alterego | It is 4:15am .. |
| 04:13.34 | MohammadAG | Tue Jan 4 06:13:34 IST 2011 |
| 04:13.44 | MohammadAG | lame excuse :P |
| 04:14.06 | alterego | You're going to have more fun showing them tbh. |
| 04:14.18 | MohammadAG | why's that? |
| 04:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | 2011-01-04 05:14 |
| 04:14.47 | alterego | Because all your widgets have the same parent, you're hiding all of them and showing all of them if you use that code. |
| 04:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | or (EEEWW) Di. Jan 4 05:14:44 2011 |
| 04:14.59 | alterego | How can you distinguish between widgets in one view or the other? |
| 04:15.20 | MohammadAG | I'm secretly Chuck Norris |
| 04:15.24 | alterego | Seriously, split it up into two seperate "view" widgets and just show and hide them respectively. |
| 04:15.49 | alterego | It _will_ save you pain :P |
| 04:16.05 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure what this is about :P |
| 04:16.15 | MohammadAG | I need to hide 4/5, and show 1/5 |
| 04:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | not only you, also all the poor fellow coders ;-D |
| 04:16.30 | alterego | http://images2.cpcache.com/nocache/product/343170462v2147483647_480x480_Front.jpg |
| 04:16.50 | alterego | MohammadAG: at the moment you do, but what if we want to change that 1/5 to 2/6 ? |
| 04:16.51 | MohammadAG | you weren't kidding about the 4:15 part |
| 04:16.52 | MohammadAG | Segmentation fault |
| 04:17.06 | alterego | Hah |
| 04:17.08 | MohammadAG | alterego, I don't, only 1 widget can fit in 800x480 |
| 04:17.09 | alterego | Meh |
| 04:17.40 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 04:17.46 | alterego | Okay, well, stick the 4/5 into another widget and then you're dealing with 1/2 |
| 04:17.47 | alterego | easy |
| 04:18.03 | MohammadAG | alterego, open the stock mediaplayer |
| 04:18.06 | alterego | Which is basically exactly what we've been telling you to do. |
| 04:18.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, it won't work that way |
| 04:18.26 | alterego | okay, it's open |
| 04:18.33 | MohammadAG | go to songs |
| 04:18.40 | MohammadAG | Music, whatever |
| 04:18.43 | MohammadAG | click the title bar |
| 04:18.50 | alterego | m'hmm |
| 04:18.51 | MohammadAG | you'll see song views |
| 04:18.56 | alterego | yes |
| 04:18.59 | MohammadAG | click one, a widget is hidden, and another is shown |
| 04:19.05 | MohammadAG | I have 5 widgets in the layout |
| 04:19.12 | MohammadAG | I need to hide 4, and show 1 of them |
| 04:19.19 | MohammadAG | depending on which button the user clicks |
| 04:19.25 | MohammadAG | they're not the same 4 all the time |
| 04:19.52 | alterego | They're probably deleted and added dynamically. |
| 04:19.53 | MohammadAG | so I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show() |
| 04:19.56 | alterego | Do you know how I'd do it though? |
| 04:19.57 | MohammadAG | no |
| 04:20.05 | MohammadAG | (about the deletion part) |
| 04:20.10 | MohammadAG | they're not deleted |
| 04:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: FIRST of ALL: hide all 5, then enable the one you want |
| 04:20.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's what I want to do! |
| 04:20.34 | alterego | How do you know what it is doing? |
| 04:20.35 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> so I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show() |
| 04:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | write a function that hides them all |
| 04:20.38 | alterego | It's fucking closed source. |
| 04:20.49 | MohammadAG | alterego, hah |
| 04:20.53 | MohammadAG | sec, lemme explain that :P |
| 04:20.57 | MohammadAG | select album view |
| 04:21.02 | MohammadAG | you'll see it populates the list |
| 04:21.06 | MohammadAG | and rapes the CPU while doing so |
| 04:21.13 | alterego | yes |
| 04:21.14 | MohammadAG | now switch to something else |
| 04:21.18 | MohammadAG | and switch back to album view |
| 04:21.22 | MohammadAG | they won't be gone |
| 04:21.29 | MohammadAG | and it won't repopulate |
| 04:21.49 | alterego | m'hmm |
| 04:22.01 | alterego | Probably because the model isn't being reloaded. |
| 04:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | I guess you have a canvas to display all the covers, and you simply hide() that |
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| 04:22.23 | alterego | You do realise that the album view is just a GtkIconView thing. |
| 04:22.32 | alterego | And they're probably all coming out of a single model. |
| 04:22.44 | alterego | Or maybe there are several models, "songs", "albums" etc. |
| 04:22.56 | MohammadAG | does it matter? :P |
| 04:23.00 | alterego | But it's the model that needs to cache, the view (if coded right) only displays what is being displayed. |
| 04:23.32 | alterego | Infact, it looks like it does recreate the widget. |
| 04:23.43 | alterego | Because the position in the list is changed. |
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| 04:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, A PITA |
| 04:24.08 | DocScrutinizer | esp for going back in directory tree etc |
| 04:24.13 | alterego | IT does remember the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position. |
| 04:24.37 | MohammadAG | it does for me |
| 04:24.43 | MohammadAG | maybe it was still populating for you? |
| 04:25.08 | alterego | Yeah, it remembers the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position. |
| 04:25.20 | alterego | Which makes me think it recreates the widget. |
| 04:25.22 | MohammadAG | it does, I left it on the i's dot :P |
| 04:25.44 | MohammadAG | check again |
| 04:25.54 | DocScrutinizer | use HFM on a dir with many files and subdirs, enter one subdir, go back ---> back to top of list >:-((( |
| 04:26.00 | alterego | HJahah, just noticed another bug |
| 04:26.28 | alterego | If you scroll half way through your albums, switch to artists, then switch back. |
| 04:26.38 | alterego | Don't touch the screen and just look at the albumns., |
| 04:26.53 | alterego | IT displays the top of the list, even though it's acutally scrolled half way down. |
| 04:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | that's all such a pile of crap |
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| 04:27.41 | alterego | Then when you start to scroll it redisplays proper list area. |
| 04:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | if only HFM did at least that |
| 04:28.03 | MohammadAG | ah, the album view |
| 04:28.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, only the album view doesn't remember y position |
| 04:28.15 | MohammadAG | the rest do |
| 04:28.25 | alterego | I told you, it _does_ remember y position. |
| 04:28.26 | MohammadAG | maybe it only sets geometry to 0 instead of hiding? |
| 04:28.33 | alterego | It's just when you go back for some reason it fucks it up. |
| 04:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 04:28.39 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 04:28.39 | MohammadAG | k |
| 04:28.53 | MohammadAG | now back to the problem at hand? :P |
| 04:28.56 | alterego | Go back, look at the right side and note where the scroll indicator is. |
| 04:29.05 | DocScrutinizer | setting geometry to 0,0 is not a nice idea |
| 04:29.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, I tried to scroll, it went to y and back again |
| 04:29.13 | alterego | Then try and scroll and you'll see it undo its' fuck up :P |
| 04:29.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not our mediaplayer |
| 04:29.22 | MohammadAG | alterego, yup, noticed |
| 04:29.26 | alterego | Anyhow |
| 04:29.29 | alterego | Yes, your issue. |
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| 04:29.33 | alterego | It segfaulted :P |
| 04:29.39 | alterego | Run it through a debugger :D |
| 04:29.56 | alterego | fuck it's 4:30 now >:( |
| 04:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | 5:30 |
| 04:30.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, I did |
| 04:30.39 | MohammadAG | it segfaulted on the foreach line (I split your code into lines, since having it on one line is kinda... can't find the right word) |
| 04:30.56 | alterego | I didn't want to spam :P |
| 04:31.06 | alterego | I just typed it in from memory :P |
| 04:31.13 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:31.34 | alterego | shudders. |
| 04:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | waaaaaaAAAaaaah |
| 04:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | please say this isn't what it looks like! |
| 04:33.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 04:33.18 | MohammadAG | birds falling in germany? |
| 04:33.28 | DocScrutinizer | you're not running over all song objects of the songs list? |
| 04:33.34 | MohammadAG | or is it the piglets this time? |
| 04:33.41 | MohammadAG | no, they're 5 widgets |
| 04:34.04 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg |
| 04:34.14 | MohammadAG | I need to hide all 5 widgets in that, and show one |
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| 04:34.38 | DocScrutinizer | pheeew, you scared the shit outa me |
| 04:35.00 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised there's no contents() method |
| 04:35.12 | alterego | MohammadAG: doesn't work like that unfortunately. |
| 04:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | I can't find any bug in HMP, in all-albums view |
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| 04:36.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, scroll so that half an album art isn't visible, switch views and switch back |
| 04:36.23 | MohammadAG | asks on #qt |
| 04:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | clicking an album, the whole canvas slides left and song list of that album slides in from right |
| 04:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | err, half of AN album art? I got 3 rows of 5 here, 2 of them with cover art cut half |
| 04:38.09 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: we're not talking about selecting an album, go to the menu and change view, then change back again. |
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| 04:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | chnage view to what? |
| 04:38.31 | alterego | Anything, then change back. |
| 04:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 04:38.38 | alterego | album to artist view |
| 04:39.03 | MohammadAG | <Xenakios> iterate over the widgets <-- isn't that what you were doing? lol |
| 04:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 04:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | confirmed |
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| 04:39.42 | alterego | Yes, that's what I said. |
| 04:39.48 | alterego | There must be someting wrong with your crap. |
| 04:40.01 | alterego | instead of doing layout->widget()->children() |
| 04:40.08 | alterego | Use: this->childre() |
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| 04:41.19 | lolloo | MohammadAG, this your media player? does it support mms:// protocol video streaming ? |
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| 04:42.16 | MohammadAG | lolloo, we'll worry about that later |
| 04:42.24 | lolloo | alright. |
| 04:43.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, thinking of making a function that just hides all widgets |
| 04:43.53 | alterego | Yes, do that :P |
| 04:44.05 | alterego | You know what I think you should do :P |
| 04:44.15 | alterego | And I've told you how to do what you want to do. |
| 04:44.24 | alterego | Why not do what you're already doing :P |
| 04:44.29 | alterego | chuckles |
| 04:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: and you say you can't place those 5 in http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg into a container widget or frame? |
| 04:45.16 | alterego | He can, he's just not going to :P |
| 04:45.23 | alterego | They already are. |
| 04:45.39 | DocScrutinizer | or you can't place a second container widget or frame on top of that? |
| 04:46.35 | MohammadAG | actually, I did place them in a QWidget, found no way to hide the widgets then |
| 04:46.56 | alterego | You hide the qwidget you placed them in. |
| 04:47.11 | MohammadAG | but that hides the container, not the widgets themselves |
| 04:47.12 | alterego | Provided you've parented them properly. |
| 04:47.31 | alterego | IT does it you do it properly! |
| 04:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, centralwidget |
| 04:47.44 | MohammadAG | I... see |
| 04:47.48 | alterego | chuckles |
| 04:48.14 | MohammadAG | then I need to show the QWidget again and show the widget I want? |
| 04:48.22 | alterego | No |
| 04:48.30 | alterego | Then you just show the qwidget you want. |
| 04:48.37 | alterego | Why reshow the ones you've just hidden? |
| 04:48.46 | alterego | You're turning 4/5 into 1/2 |
| 04:48.53 | alterego | geddit? |
| 04:49.09 | MohammadAG | so wait, if a widget is a child of another widget, and I hide the parent, then the children are hidden? |
| 04:49.27 | MohammadAG | and if I show a child, then it'll show even if the parent is hidden? |
| 04:49.30 | DocScrutinizer | YES :-D |
| 04:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | NO |
| 04:49.52 | MohammadAG | <alterego> Then you just show the qwidget you want. |
| 04:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the idea is to have overlapping QWidgets |
| 04:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | eachof them the size of your screen |
| 04:50.31 | MohammadAG | that breaks the idea of layouts |
| 04:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 04:50.45 | MohammadAG | I'd be setting geometry myself |
| 04:51.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: No |
| 04:52.01 | alterego | Why are you setting the "other" widget as a child of it? |
| 04:52.04 | alterego | There's no fucking point. |
| 04:52.08 | alterego | It's complicating things. |
| 04:52.23 | alterego | You have _two_ sibling widgets, that are children of your QMainWindow and that is it. |
| 04:52.29 | alterego | show and hide each of them as you need to. |
| 04:52.38 | lolloo | btw, I bought this book http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Nokia-Apps-Development-OpenSymbian/dp/1430231777 |
| 04:52.53 | lolloo | after my exams I will start reading it. |
| 04:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | there are two alternative QWidgets, childs of musicscreen, and both size of 800*412 or whatever |
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| 04:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | if you hide the top layer qwidget, then the lower layer will show up (you might want to hide that nevertheless as long as the other one is shown) |
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| 04:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | you can have 2, 3 or 42 QWidgets, all childs of mainscreen |
| 04:56.09 | DocScrutinizer | and each holding its very own set of children widgets |
| 04:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | it's a bit tricky to figure when they are instantiated |
| 04:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | ...sometimes |
| 04:58.56 | DocScrutinizer | and if all are 'alive' and only hidden, then they eat quite a bit of RAM each |
| 04:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | but that's for sure the fastest and easiest switching of a screen content/display you can get |
| 05:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | btw a tab widget is working quite similar |
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| 05:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably you could use tabwidget and just reduce size of tabs to 0 |
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| 05:11.27 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 05:11.34 | MohammadAG | how do I check if a QSettings value exists? |
| 05:13.12 | MohammadAG | contains(), nevermind |
| 05:19.28 | MohammadAG | ffs |
| 05:19.33 | MohammadAG | I was editing the wrong file |
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| 05:23.43 | Termana | good morning |
| 05:24.34 | MohammadAG | morning Termana |
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| 05:31.49 | MohammadAG | alterego, I ended up doing it like this, if you feel there's a better way, patches welcome :P http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/e8c58be240011e9e71c610f4c7ea6af297a55d1f |
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| 06:47.17 | iteration | what is involved in tethering my n900 to a FreeBSD router |
| 06:47.23 | iteration | dsl is out for a few days, id like to get the internet back |
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| 06:47.50 | psycho_oreos | USB networking, if thats supported under FreeBSD |
| 06:48.14 | iteration | so, putting the phone in (on pc suite mode), and organizing the networking |
| 06:48.17 | iteration | no additional software? |
| 06:48.25 | iteration | like for windows i use pc suite |
| 06:49.50 | psycho_oreos | well there's no pc suite for linux, neither would there be one for FreeBSD I bet. No additional software isn't needed generally under linux but under FreeBSD the case maybe different. I suppose its probably a kernel module that may need to be compiled, matches the running kernel version/arch and is ready for use |
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| 06:53.34 | iteration | yeah, i am trying to find what omdule i will need |
| 06:53.39 | iteration | it seems unlikely that itd be in generic |
| 06:54.21 | SpeedEvil | iteration: you plug it in, you select pc-suite mode, and you set it up as a 'generic' 3g modem |
| 06:54.34 | SpeedEvil | And it 'just works' |
| 06:54.39 | iteration | hmm. alright |
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| 07:04.15 | ds3 | that is an understatement |
| 07:04.52 | MohammadAG | i thought they were comparable to iOS apps |
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| 07:17.24 | lolloo | hi again, I was trying to install freoffice, but I got this error. |
| 07:17.26 | lolloo | Unpacking freoffice (from .../freoffice_0.3-1_armel.deb) ... |
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| 07:21.20 | lolloo | mmm I think I need to remove docstogo. |
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| 08:50.19 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
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| 08:50.54 | crashanddie | sup |
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| 08:58.03 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 08:58.55 | DocScrutinizer | 'clipse |
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| 09:11.42 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:12.25 | lcuk | \o morning jaffa, all |
| 09:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | morning |
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| 09:14.11 | crashanddie | morning lcuk, Jaffa, DocScrutinizer |
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| 09:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | good night john boy |
| 09:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 09:25.58 | _GeekShadow | Get a N900! http://www.hudie.in/?fromuid=136809 |
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| 09:26.40 | tybollt_ | aargh |
| 09:26.48 | tybollt_ | that was NSFW |
| 09:26.50 | tybollt_ | ffs |
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| 09:36.31 | timeless_mbp | tybollt_: obviously you need to configure your irc client to use a private-browsing browser |
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| 09:36.55 | timeless_mbp | is confused |
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| 09:37.05 | fellu | Umm |
| 09:37.18 | fellu | Where is good FAQ for istalling new android on my n900 |
| 09:37.33 | timeless_mbp | this looks like Chinese, not Hindi/whatever |
| 09:37.42 | timeless_mbp | tld violation |
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| 09:39.34 | Venemo_N900 | fellu: #nitdroid is the topic for that. it is OT here |
| 09:40.01 | Venemo_N900 | morning lcuk |
| 09:41.47 | timeless_mbp | very little content actually, about 3 pages |
| 09:41.48 | timeless_mbp | i |
| 09:42.03 | timeless_mbp | it actually looks like it might be more of a risque poetry site :o |
| 09:42.36 | Venemo_N900 | lol timeless_mbp |
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| 09:51.33 | brbcoffee | yo, I have had my n900 for a couple of days now. it is awesome and i pimped it to the max. However I pimped it too hard and had to reflash. Now I can, |
| 09:52.10 | brbcoffee | 't remember how to get the 'rush' command for a root shell back |
| 09:52.24 | brbcoffee | does any one know? |
| 09:53.02 | fellu | vanemo, oki, thx |
| 09:53.03 | brbcoffee | also is there a better terminal emulator available, xterm kinda sucks... |
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| 09:54.16 | brbcoffee | I have installed rootsh however it does not have it. |
| 09:56.35 | brbcoffee | anyone? |
| 09:57.11 | RobbieThe1st | root shell: "sudo gainroot" |
| 09:57.20 | RobbieThe1st | in x-term |
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| 09:58.46 | brbcoffee | aah, robbie the thiest. we spoke a few days ago! |
| 09:59.31 | RobbieThe1st | Probably |
| 09:59.43 | tybollt_ | crashanddie: Thank you! :) |
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| 10:00.41 | RobbieThe1st | is still experiencing withdrawal from no working n900 (Replacement screen hasn't arrived yet). |
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| 10:01.07 | brbcoffee | get an otterbox man! |
| 10:01.18 | tybollt_ | I am experiencing pre-withdrawal (work is going to replace my N900 w/ a desire :-| |
| 10:01.49 | RobbieThe1st | http://ebay.com |
| 10:02.24 | brbcoffee | amazon |
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| 10:02.44 | brbcoffee | how do i type a pipe on n900? |
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| 10:03.26 | RobbieThe1st | um, it's in the special-chars menu |
| 10:03.34 | RobbieThe1st | alt + shift to bring it up, IIRC |
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| 10:06.59 | brbcoffee | can i remove busybox? |
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| 10:08.24 | RobbieThe1st | brbcoffee: No. |
| 10:08.42 | RobbieThe1st | brbcoffee: Why would you want to? You can use Bash as an alternate shell, if you wish |
| 10:09.10 | RobbieThe1st | brbcoffee: You can also change the keyboard layout if you need certain chars(like the pipe) handy. |
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| 10:10.25 | brbcoffee | i have installed bash however i cannot make it work for root. i run bash-setup as root and it still uses BB |
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| 10:10.41 | RobbieThe1st | I forget, it's kind of weird |
| 10:10.54 | RobbieThe1st | You can try just running "bash" at the root BB prompt |
| 10:12.15 | RobbieThe1st | But yea... removing BB == reflash required, usually |
| 10:14.46 | brbcoffee | ok. brb, coffee |
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| 10:53.22 | brbcoffee | yo |
| 10:53.24 | brbcoffee | right |
| 10:53.27 | brbcoffee | lets do this |
| 10:53.58 | brbcoffee | before i buggered up my n900 there was a command available called 'rush' |
| 10:54.15 | brbcoffee | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:54.30 | brbcoffee | now I have reflashed I cannot find this command anymore |
| 10:54.52 | brbcoffee | 1. what package must i install to get rush back? (no geddy lee jokes pls) |
| 10:55.11 | brbcoffee | 2. How can I have root using bash instead of Busy box? |
| 10:55.24 | brbcoffee | 3. Is there a better terminal than xterm available? |
| 10:56.02 | jhb | brbcoffee: install rootsh, type root , type bash |
| 10:56.03 | brbcoffee | 4. A bunch of stuff about fcam however root terminal is more important to me |
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| 11:06.02 | brbcoffeee | woot, thank you |
| 11:06.06 | brbcoffeee | root works now |
| 11:06.23 | brbcoffeee | next question, is there a better terminal emulator? |
| 11:07.23 | brbcoffeee | because xterm kinda sucks, unless somone can tell me how to reduce the size of the tab, esc, ctrl soft buttons? |
| 11:07.56 | brbcoffeee | ? |
| 11:08.07 | kerio | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" |
| 11:08.10 | kerio | there, reduced to 0 |
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| 11:08.23 | kerio | it's the only sensible way to use it |
| 11:08.37 | kerio | and due to a bug you still get the buttons at the beginning, until you go fullscreen |
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| 11:09.42 | brbcoffeee | nice one, however I would still like to use the tab button, is there a known technique for removing those buttonss but still having tab? |
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| 11:11.50 | kerio | add some way to tab to your keymap |
| 11:11.55 | kerio | i use fn+backspace |
| 11:12.05 | brbcoffeee | ok thankk you |
| 11:13.01 | brbcoffeee | ok next question |
| 11:13.20 | brbcoffeee | I have titans power kernel v42 |
| 11:13.31 | kerio | don't overclock |
| 11:13.34 | kerio | it's not safe. ever |
| 11:13.45 | brbcoffeee | did you have a bad experiance? |
| 11:13.57 | kerio | it's just physics |
| 11:14.09 | kerio | either what we know about electrons is wrong, or overclocking is not safe |
| 11:14.16 | BCMM | brbcoffeee: the cpu clock is set where it is for reasons of the CPU's lifespan, not for batter reasons. |
| 11:14.31 | brbcoffeee | ok, ok this is not a question about OC |
| 11:14.39 | BCMM | there is not a safe level of overclocking. there is simply a sliding scale. do you want to burn out your cpu in years, months, or days? |
| 11:15.19 | brbcoffeee | I am well aware of the dangers of OC |
| 11:15.33 | brbcoffeee | What I was asking was: |
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| 11:16.19 | brbcoffeee | I have the fcam drivers installed, then blessn900 however when I take a photo with blessn900 it is like two photos overlayed one another |
| 11:16.35 | brbcoffeee | is this is commonly reported problem? |
| 11:16.40 | kerio | yeah, bless is not really good |
| 11:16.47 | kerio | unless you have a tripod, in which case it's awesome |
| 11:17.01 | brbcoffeee | yeah bless sucks or yeah this is a common issue? |
| 11:17.36 | kerio | well, it's more of a problem in the design |
| 11:17.41 | kerio | blessn900 works by taking two photos |
| 11:17.49 | brbcoffeee | i understand that |
| 11:17.53 | kerio | and merging them together to increase detail |
| 11:18.08 | kerio | so if you move, even slightly, you get two different pictures overlayed |
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| 11:21.44 | brbcoffeee | ok thank you |
| 11:21.51 | brbcoffeee | next question |
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| 11:22.41 | brbcoffeee | if I have a program full screened and it has no 'unfullscreen' button is there a better war to get back to the task manager without having to open the keyboard and press ctrl+bspc? |
| 11:23.03 | brbcoffeee | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" |
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| 11:25.07 | kerio | brbcoffeee: camkeyd |
| 11:25.17 | brbcoffeee | thank you |
| 11:25.17 | kerio | it's really useful |
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| 11:28.55 | brbcoffeee | is balls-deep in keymap |
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| 12:09.01 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 12:09.06 | Venemo | HSDPA is king :) |
| 12:09.35 | Venemo | I can download stuff with the N900 as USB modem about 2 times faster than I could on the wifi here |
| 12:10.11 | Venemo | (unfortunately the evil neighbour seems to have protected his wifi after we've been using it for 2 years...) |
| 12:10.19 | Venemo | so I have to restort to the N900 now |
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| 12:14.07 | DocScrutinizer | remoo |
| 12:15.02 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: h-e-n GUI 0.3 : status:broken, can't be updated ... ? o.O? |
| 12:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (in HAM) |
| 12:16.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: its postinst failed for me too (from terminal) |
| 12:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | there's no postinst involved when clicking "details"? |
| 12:17.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: um, sorry, for me it isn't the h-e-n package. (mistaken if for cssu-enabler) |
| 12:17.48 | Venemo | s/if/it |
| 12:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | oooh, cssu-enabler. Sounds nice :-D |
| 12:18.31 | Venemo | it was updated yesterday, but its postinst failed |
| 12:18.44 | Venemo | I can't even remove it with dpkg -r since that one also bothers with the postinst |
| 12:19.40 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the package has been in the works for some time, but MohammadAG and Jaffa are having trouble with it :( |
| 12:20.45 | DocScrutinizer | I also got hostmode-scripts-0.1 o.O |
| 12:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | thinks he has some obsolete cruft on his devel device (in addition to the 1.1.1 rootfs :-P) |
| 12:21.39 | alterego | Venemo: it'll only get fixed if the package is fixed. |
| 12:22.04 | alterego | When dpkg tries to remove something, if the current versions postinst/postrm failes, it tries the new packages postrm |
| 12:22.15 | alterego | Wait, the postinst failes? |
| 12:22.21 | alterego | It shouldn't have installed then :P |
| 12:22.44 | Venemo | alterego: it _upgraded_ and then the postinst fails |
| 12:22.59 | Venemo | alterego: for some reason it doesn't let me remove either |
| 12:22.59 | alterego | Right |
| 12:23.07 | alterego | Hrm, lame O_O |
| 12:23.21 | alterego | What does it say when you try and install it again? |
| 12:23.57 | DocScrutinizer | HAM and alternative repos seems to be a royal PITA |
| 12:24.07 | Venemo | alterego: same thing |
| 12:24.18 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: HAM is a sick, crap thing |
| 12:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 12:25.15 | Venemo | I've no idea how they could let its code base get this wrong |
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| 12:26.10 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, never looked into it, never wrapped my head around it beyond the fact there's some apt-worker-thread |
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| 12:26.34 | Venemo | yeah, that much I know too |
| 12:26.46 | alterego | Well, it is OSS ;) |
| 12:27.02 | Venemo | alterego: it's OSS because its code is so crap that noone would bother looking at it |
| 12:27.15 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:27.27 | Venemo | it could be improved though with the extensive use of caching things and the use of threading |
| 12:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | definitely. Also lok at what HAM does when invoked from backup-tool restore |
| 12:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | look* |
| 12:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | there you suddenly *can* select multiple pkgs for installation |
| 12:28.57 | Venemo | hehe, yeah... |
| 12:29.07 | Venemo | I think Jaffa looked into the source |
| 12:29.12 | DocScrutinizer | prior to apt-worker-thread doing its thing for 5+ minutes |
| 12:29.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:29.42 | RST38h | moo all |
| 12:29.44 | Venemo | the apt-worker thingy should be just deleted. |
| 12:29.46 | alterego | Hey RST38h |
| 12:29.46 | Venemo | moo RST38h |
| 12:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 12:30.32 | Venemo | how is the speed of HSDPA for you, guys? |
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| 12:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: wouldn't that create an extremely fast and also somewhat useless dysfunct HAM? |
| 12:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: usually VROOOOOOOM |
| 12:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: my carrier offers 7.2MB HSDPA and that's quite frequently really available |
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| 12:34.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: I meant, use plain apt-get instead of apt-worker (to avoid the 'dysfunct' part) |
| 12:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | of course RTT is poor as always with packet switched services OTA |
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| 12:35.06 | Venemo | RTT=? |
| 12:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~rtt |
| 12:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~rtt is round trip time |
| 12:35.26 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 12:35.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: by which you mean ping time and such things? |
| 12:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:36.34 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what I noticed is that DNS resolution takes slightly longer from 3G/HSDPA than a regular connection. and even slower on EDGE/GPRS |
| 12:36.58 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: although once the DNS resolution is okay, the raw DL speed is quite good |
| 12:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's summed up RTTs for the different connections |
| 12:38.21 | Venemo | :) |
| 12:38.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: is the N900 capable of HSUPA too? |
| 12:38.52 | Venemo | is not sure |
| 12:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | also the DNS you get via GPRS DHCP might be of poor speed |
| 12:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep, it is |
| 12:39.26 | Venemo | k, thx |
| 12:39.48 | Venemo | then I'll just say HSPA to spare a letter of typing :P |
| 12:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&cache=507205257§ion_id=562&culture=de-DE -> >>HSPA, max. Datenübertragungsgeschwindigkeit 10 MBit/s (Herunterladen)/2 MBit/s (Hochladen)<< |
| 12:41.54 | Venemo | Hochladen is upload and Herunterlagen is download, right? |
| 12:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:42.02 | Venemo | k |
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| 12:44.37 | kerio | hsupa, yay |
| 12:45.06 | Jaffa | Venemo: The latest version of cssu-enabler should fix the postinst issue. |
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| 12:45.35 | Jaffa | Venemo: To fix: comment out the line containing the word "libxec" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/community-ssu-enabler.postinst |
| 12:46.56 | Venemo | thx Jaffa |
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| 12:50.41 | Venemo | Jaffa: pm'd you |
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| 13:27.14 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: was it you telling me to destroy my nolo before I send the device in for insurance testing? |
| 13:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:27.53 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: guide me please as I know how I get it boot looping but not stop booting ;) |
| 13:28.16 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I'd like to have a state I can cold-flash only |
| 13:28.17 | xDaReaperx | Got a new screen guard ... looks good but it's kind of dark. .. less transparent |
| 13:28.24 | xDaReaperx | got it for 1 $ though |
| 13:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdX |
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| 13:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | X == nolo's partition |
| 13:28.55 | chem|st | xDaReaperx: I got no screen protector at all as $60 aren't much for replacement after a year or two... |
| 13:29.12 | SpeedEvil | $60 + chances of borking it. |
| 13:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: just a template so you figure yourself how to do it |
| 13:29.33 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: On dissasembly, did you note any moisture tell-tales? |
| 13:29.38 | xDaReaperx | well yeah mobiles are replacable |
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| 13:29.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:29.42 | xDaReaperx | but it's better to care :) |
| 13:30.01 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: ? I had the device open several times now and it is easy if you follow guidance of electronic rules |
| 13:30.39 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: fair enough - but others have managed to break it accidentally. |
| 13:30.43 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sure thing |
| 13:31.01 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: pay a $15 extra and "have it replaced" |
| 13:31.46 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - with my protectors - $5 for 10 - I notice no difference in feel or performance |
| 13:32.31 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I tested 2 and came to the conclusion that I am better off without |
| 13:32.48 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough. |
| 13:32.52 | xDaReaperx | uhm |
| 13:32.57 | SpeedEvil | I've completely destroyed two accidentally |
| 13:33.04 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: but I see people scratching their devices in no time which I just don't do |
| 13:33.06 | xDaReaperx | careless ? |
| 13:33.24 | SpeedEvil | for example - putting seccateurs in the wrong pocket, and bending up and down a couple of hundred times |
| 13:33.29 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 13:34.41 | chem|st | a friend put a package of gum in his pocket with his mobile and destroyed the display with the gum-package's Al-foil |
| 13:35.02 | ieatlint | ouch |
| 13:35.08 | chem|st | ieatlint: exactly |
| 13:35.21 | ieatlint | yeah, gum would not be up on my list of concerns |
| 13:35.23 | chem|st | looked like sandbrushed |
| 13:35.31 | pupnik | the 770 had a protective metal case |
| 13:35.53 | ieatlint | i'm using one of the zagg invisibleshield covers... works well for me |
| 13:35.59 | xDaReaperx | the n900 is cheap plastic |
| 13:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: (moisture detect) well, on rethinking it and checking my photos, it seems I can't say I've seen any |
| 13:36.08 | ieatlint | seems to reduce fingerprints showing up too |
| 13:36.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: odd |
| 13:36.21 | pupnik | ieatlint: is that matte / anti-glare? |
| 13:36.46 | chem|st | I scratched one of those protectors in the process of putting it in place |
| 13:36.53 | ieatlint | wouldn't call it antiglare.. does affect the screen appearance, but for some reason the fingerprints just seem less evident now |
| 13:37.19 | pupnik | i have a 7" device that looks like a mirror and i'd like to see less reflections |
| 13:37.39 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: please elaborate |
| 13:37.50 | ieatlint | really makes the gorilla glass seem appealing... but incompatible with a resistive touchscreen |
| 13:38.04 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: sorry - not tracking well this morning - elaborate on what |
| 13:38.11 | chem|st | moisture |
| 13:38.30 | ieatlint | pupnik: hah, just looked it up even... it advertises that it reduces appearance of fingerprints even.. http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
| 13:38.35 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: the iphone and many other mobiles have little bits that turn pink if exposed to moisture. |
| 13:38.52 | ieatlint | but not sure it'd held with the gloss finish screen on your device |
| 13:38.56 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: this is used for warranty service to say 'no, you got it wet' |
| 13:39.12 | ieatlint | it's like those laptops with the glossy screens... how do people not terribly strain their eyes? |
| 13:39.28 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: did not recognize any but I did not remove the heatsinks and metal covers |
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| 13:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I did |
| 13:40.03 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I had that coke-whearbeer mix ;) |
| 13:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | you find the hires scans on people.om.org/joerg/n9000 |
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| 13:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | whearbeer sounds scary |
| 13:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:41.47 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: wheatbeer ;) |
| 13:42.02 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: 404 |
| 13:42.04 | ieatlint | coke+wheatbeer still sounds scary to me |
| 13:42.12 | kerio | no, wait, host unreachable |
| 13:42.13 | chem|st | ieatlint: smells like hell |
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| 13:42.22 | chem|st | kerio: 4 me 2 |
| 13:43.00 | ieatlint | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ :P |
| 13:43.05 | ieatlint | not hard to figure out |
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| 13:45.09 | chem|st | ieatlint: the device looks like having heat-conducting liquid all over the place |
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| 13:47.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: still have no clue where the moisture detecting bits might be |
| 13:47.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | there are none |
| 13:47.43 | SpeedEvil | It's not impossible there may be none |
| 13:49.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ah with "I did" you meant you did remove the covers... now I get it |
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| 14:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 14:07.55 | nidO | my device is being wierd :\ |
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| 14:08.11 | nidO | it's suddenly decided to have a 2-3x better battery life than it ever has before |
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| 14:16.01 | pupnik | ieatlint: that looks like a lucrative business, selling pieces of plastic for 30 dollars... |
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| 14:20.41 | crashanddie | pupnik, you should try casinos, they sell ceramic chips for hundreds and thousands of dollars |
| 14:20.42 | toggles_ | fyi i use one, works well, no other case, phone has lived in my pocket for over a year, no scratches etc though the back is starting to peel off and i lost the sides a few months back |
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| 14:21.41 | pupnik | crashanddie: or i could print pieces of paper and exchange them for food and goods |
| 14:22.08 | RST38h | Is Rockbox worth installing? |
| 14:22.35 | pupnik | for the ancient archos mp3 players? |
| 14:22.55 | RST38h | Ok, gotit. |
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| 14:27.07 | satmd | can I use my n900 as a bluetooth handset? |
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| 14:28.59 | ieatlint | pupnik: your clearly in the wrong business :P |
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| 14:29.47 | crashanddie | you're |
| 14:30.20 | pupnik | indeed |
| 14:30.28 | ieatlint | :( |
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| 14:30.36 | ieatlint | i'm normally better than that |
| 14:31.14 | pupnik | the funny thing is the people printing the paper 'outlawed' anyone else printing similar pieces of paper |
| 14:31.27 | pupnik | and people act like that's normal |
| 14:31.32 | pupnik | but i'm way OT sorry |
| 14:32.29 | ieatlint | are you talking about money and criticising that it's illegal to counterfeit it? |
| 14:32.43 | BCMM | pupnik: you mean money, right? it seems perfectly normal to not be permitted to copy a currency, because that would essentially be impersonating somebody |
| 14:33.28 | BCMM | you can make your own currency, but you can't make money that claims to be guaranteed by somebody else (the government) without asking that somebody else first |
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| 14:35.12 | pupnik | no problem as long as nobody forces me to use their pieces of paper |
| 14:36.02 | ieatlint | have fun trying to barter at your local shops :) |
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| 14:36.42 | ieatlint | a political candidate over here famously suggested that you try to pay your doctor with a chicken recently, actually |
| 14:37.35 | pupnik | ##economics |
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| 14:56.37 | t_s_o | how would one go about compiling a more recent microb-engine for maemo4? |
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| 15:11.16 | crashanddie | t_s_o, ask timeless_mbp |
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| 15:21.29 | crashanddie | lol... The WWF file format is a joke... |
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| 15:22.17 | crashanddie | supposedly, it's a file you can't print |
| 15:22.24 | crashanddie | but really, it's just a password protected PDF file |
| 15:22.40 | crashanddie | so rename it, unlock it (using the myriad of online tools), and print it. |
| 15:22.42 | crashanddie | Idiots. |
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| 15:25.47 | RST38h | crashanddie:Sounds nice |
| 15:26.29 | RST38h | guesses the "format" has been invented by someone majoring in humanities |
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| 15:29.33 | t_s_o | do not forget the extra page it adds to the end of every document... |
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| 15:34.29 | VladNistor | i can't seem to find stuff from the ovi store in the app manager. When i try using the "Store" app it says to go to the app manager and update |
| 15:34.43 | VladNistor | anyone know how I can install stuff from the ovi store? |
| 15:35.56 | nidO | remove hide user agent |
| 15:36.04 | nidO | or at least reset to the default user agent |
| 15:37.49 | VladNistor | thanks, i'll try that :) |
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| 15:54.51 | VladNistor | thank you, ovi store works now! |
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| 15:55.11 | Ex-Opesa | Which is best media player fo rn900 for playlists? I need something good for playlists. |
| 15:55.47 | Appiah | what do you mean? |
| 15:56.51 | Ex-Opesa | I need some player where I can make playlists for my music. ^^ |
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| 15:58.13 | oscillik | Apple iPod touch :p |
| 15:59.15 | Ex-Opesa | Thanks oscillik, you are very helpful. |
| 15:59.36 | Appiah | never thought of using something else to create a playlist |
| 15:59.36 | Appiah | hmm |
| 16:01.10 | oscillik | Ex-Opesa: sorry, i'm just bitter that Nokia dropped us all |
| 16:01.42 | Appiah | guess If i'm not using the n900 itself I would use whatever musicplayer I use on my PC |
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| 16:02.28 | Ex-Opesa | I am talking about n900. |
| 16:02.58 | Ex-Opesa | The default player is not so good with playlists |
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| 16:04.17 | Ex-Opesa | oscillik: No problem. |
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| 16:07.32 | crashanddie | Ex-Opesa, there's an open source implementation of the media player in the works |
| 16:07.49 | crashanddie | Ex-Opesa, we're bouncing a few ideas around as to how to manage the playlists properly |
| 16:08.27 | crashanddie | one idea was to have a Qt-based (on computer) editor, onto which you'd drag songs and create playlists, the tool would then synchronise songs and playlists to the N900 |
| 16:08.29 | crashanddie | not unlike iTunes, I guess. |
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| 16:09.13 | crashanddie | but basically, as soon as the media player has decent support of different playlists, any tool to create playlists will do -- it just needs to be MAFW enabled |
| 16:09.26 | crashanddie | we'll probably release a helper tool on the N900, and basic features included in the media player, but not for version 1 |
| 16:09.58 | Ex-Opesa | Okay, glad to know developers are working on it. |
| 16:10.13 | crashanddie | first version is due mid to end january |
| 16:10.20 | crashanddie | (in devel, so not primetime ready) |
| 16:11.24 | crashanddie | once it's launched, we'll set up some discussion channels (tmo, prolly bmo as well) to enable user feedback and better the product |
| 16:11.44 | crashanddie | it won't be to everyone's liking, but hopefully a lot better than the current media player (which really, isn't saying that much) |
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| 16:13.00 | Ex-Opesa | Yeah. |
| 16:13.28 | Ex-Opesa | Pretty cool . :) |
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| 18:21.56 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
| 18:21.57 | jhb | timeless_mbp: de_DE |
| 18:22.06 | Ex-Opesa | What about locale? |
| 18:22.22 | timeless_mbp | jhb: oh well |
| 18:22.32 | Ex-Opesa | Knowing others locale is some thing beneficial? O_o |
| 18:22.44 | jhb | timeless_mbp: I have the feeling I can't follow... |
| 18:22.54 | timeless_mbp | correct |
| 18:23.15 | MohammadAG | the networking stack on symbian's retarded |
| 18:23.27 | MohammadAG | it has a WLAN connection active, and it opened another 3G connection |
| 18:23.45 | MohammadAG | oh goody, another 3G connection on top |
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| 18:24.03 | MohammadAG | so 1 WLAN, and 2 3G connections, with a "Unable to sign in" error |
| 18:24.54 | timeless_mbp | symbian is special :) |
| 18:25.32 | Ex-Opesa | jhb, Wow, Icedtea6 requires 116 mb space. ^^ |
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| 18:27.45 | Tamyrlin | timeless_mbp: Getting away from symbian was my main reason for buying a N900 :) |
| 18:28.46 | jhb | Ex-Opesa: the settlers game needs some 450 mb, if I remember correctly.. |
| 18:29.48 | Tamyrlin | Although it would be quite interesting with a symbian compatibility layer for the N900 (think Wine, but for symbian instead) |
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| 18:32.20 | Tamyrlin | Or android or iphone compatibility layer for that matter. (The later if you'd like to see Apple blacken the skies with lawyers deployed with parachutes) |
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| 18:34.02 | johnx | Tamyrlin, I know someone started work on getting android apps working on more normal X11-based distros, but apparently it's not a small undertaking |
| 18:34.18 | Ex-Opesa | jhb, Yeah.. |
| 18:34.27 | johnx | as for iPhone compat, I think someone did something kinda libwine-style |
| 18:34.48 | johnx | the idea being that it makes iPhone apps easier to port because the core logic doesn't need to be rewritten, just the UI |
| 18:35.03 | Tamyrlin | Yeah, I think ubuntu has some sort of project for android on general purpose Linux. (I saw it linked from the maemo wiki if I remember correctly) |
| 18:35.34 | johnx | yeah. the next post on that blog was basically "I don't think this can really go anywhere" though |
| 18:35.42 | Tamyrlin | Oh, too bad |
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| 18:37.19 | Tamyrlin | Well, personally I'm hoping for meego to get so big that android/iphone becomes niche players, but I'm not going to bet any big amounts of money on that :) |
| 18:38.18 | johnx | honestly, even if it just ends up with twice or three times the marketshare as maemo 5, we'll be in pretty good shape I think |
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| 18:39.18 | johnx | and I have to admit, I'm not to excited about wine-like projects ... |
| 18:39.54 | Tamyrlin | I'd much prefer native applications as well |
| 18:40.48 | johnx | something like libwine is pretty cool though |
| 18:41.12 | johnx | (the distinction being that libwine is for making ports easy, whereas wine attempts to run binaries compiled for other systems) |
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| 18:44.04 | Tamyrlin | Speaking of applications, does anyone know if it would be theoretically possible to create a 3GPP video call application on the N900 without having updated firmware for the baseband modem/etc? |
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| 18:45.20 | Tamyrlin | If I run tcpdump on phonet0 I can at least see some activity when someone is trying to call me with a video phone so I'm guessing that it is at least possible to create an application which tells me that someone unsuccessfully tried to call me over video |
| 18:45.39 | blueillusion | hey guys. im trying to setup nokia messaging on my n900. I've went through the setup instructions through the email program (added a nokia messaging account), but my emails are never pushed |
| 18:46.15 | blueillusion | futher more, once i finish adding my account, i cant even log into email.nokia.com the website says I don't have an account there |
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| 19:11.17 | Tsuyo | Hello guys, does someone got mono running under the N900? The Repo here: http://go-mono.com/maemo/install/mono.install is wrong. I get a 404 Error. |
| 19:11.30 | jacekowski | that repo was for n8x0 |
| 19:11.37 | Tsuyo | : < |
| 19:11.46 | Tsuyo | So, is there any N900 port out? |
| 19:11.52 | jacekowski | nope |
| 19:11.57 | jacekowski | not when i last checked |
| 19:12.10 | Tsuyo | : / |
| 19:12.16 | Tsuyo | Allright, Thanks (: |
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| 19:25.18 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, do you know what rate the now playing indicator is updated @? |
| 19:25.56 | timeless_mbp | on phone |
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| 19:27.12 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:28.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'd go with 250-400ms |
| 19:29.38 | alterego | MohammadAG: look at columbus though for an example on how to detect context switches and display off events to pause UI updates ;) |
| 19:30.06 | alterego | The code should be in columbus/src/MainWindow.{h,cpp} |
| 19:30.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, using a QTimer as you suggested, it's not that intensive |
| 19:30.15 | MohammadAG | however |
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| 19:30.42 | alterego | MohammadAG: I know, it's just good practise and it would be cool to have that code in there for later, maybe adding visualisations etc. |
| 19:30.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, check the stock player, while scrolling, the indicator is hidden, your animation would look good there right? |
| 19:31.04 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah probably, though I think it should always be visible personally. |
| 19:31.12 | alterego | Use neat animations in the video player ;) |
| 19:31.19 | MohammadAG | even when scrolling? |
| 19:31.24 | alterego | Anyhow, I gotta spend some time with the lady. See you later. |
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| 19:31.33 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, it's more continuous. |
| 19:31.39 | MohammadAG | heh, k, o/ |
| 19:31.44 | alterego | ciao. |
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| 20:00.59 | timeless_n900 | mohammadag: i don't, what's the concern? |
| 20:01.03 | jhb | Has anyone the installer for the ovi maps firefox plugin around? |
| 20:01.30 | RST38h | ...discovery of a bug in the PHP programming language that causes computers to freeze when they process certain numerical values with large numbers of decimal places... |
| 20:01.37 | timeless_n900 | jhb: eh? |
| 20:01.40 | MohammadAG | timeless_n900, I'm adding the now playing indicator |
| 20:01.50 | RST38h | wonders how PHP manages that |
| 20:01.56 | timeless_n900 | right. .. |
| 20:02.12 | timeless_n900 | "indicator" ? |
| 20:02.23 | MohammadAG | the bottom right widget |
| 20:02.28 | timeless_n900 | i hope you don't mean the stupid animation |
| 20:02.30 | jhb | timeless_n900: there was a plugin installable at maps.ovi.com, but now it isn't anymore. And I'd like to the get installer for that plugin |
| 20:02.45 | MohammadAG | timeless_n900, yes, the stupid animations |
| 20:02.50 | timeless_n900 | jhb: for desktop? |
| 20:02.59 | MohammadAG | this http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/icons/scalable/mediaplayer_nowplaying_indicator_pause.png |
| 20:03.26 | jhb | timeless_n900: indeed. Supposedly with that one is able to use the files from n900:/usr/share/nokia-maps on the desktop |
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| 20:03.54 | timeless_n900 | ponders |
| 20:03.57 | jhb | timeless_n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 |
| 20:04.04 | timeless_n900 | sounds correct |
| 20:04.13 | timeless_n900 | it was a single gecko plugin |
| 20:04.26 | timeless_n900 | for both maemo and windows |
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| 20:05.08 | timeless_n900 | hi avs |
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| 20:06.08 | timeless_n900 | visits beta labs |
| 20:06.42 | timeless_n900 | kicks beta labs |
| 20:06.51 | jhb | hehe |
| 20:07.19 | timeless_n900 | there's a second one just like this |
| 20:07.43 | timeless_n900 | a standard feature? no support for downloading things after they "graduate" |
| 20:07.59 | jhb | yeah, its really bad |
| 20:08.05 | jhb | mmmh, maybe the archive? |
| 20:08.20 | timeless_n900 | s/its/it's/ |
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| 20:09.29 | timeless_n900 | http://www.nokiasymbianthemes.com/free-mobile-applications/ovi-maps-3-features-downloads-and-plugins |
| 20:09.37 | timeless_n900 | has a "modified" plugin |
| 20:09.45 | timeless_n900 | it seems to have a working link |
| 20:09.55 | timeless_n900 | but i don't think it'll work on my n900. .. |
| 20:10.11 | jhb | checks |
| 20:12.08 | E0x | ovi map is a weird app |
| 20:12.14 | jhb | timeless_n900: that looks rather promising |
| 20:12.33 | jhb | would love to somehow get voice navigation into the ovi maps on n900.... |
| 20:12.34 | E0x | because now in my n900 i can see ( i mean after 1.3 update ) the street name of my country |
| 20:12.41 | E0x | but if you go to the web version |
| 20:12.45 | E0x | you can't get that info |
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| 20:14.58 | timeless_n900 | odd |
| 20:14.59 | jhb | E0x: strange |
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| 20:15.27 | MohammadAG | effing hildon |
| 20:15.44 | timeless_n900 | ? |
| 20:21.16 | jhb | needs to reboot into windows |
| 20:24.22 | timeless_n900 | jhb: don't forget to save the archive and scan the binaries :) |
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| 20:24.52 | jhb | timeless_n900: ah, if everything crashes I just blame you :-P |
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| 20:27.36 | timeless_n900 | sp3000: hey, can i use strace to log ham? :) |
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| 20:27.59 | timeless_n900 | wants to watch a package's update process |
| 20:28.16 | timeless_n900 | doesn't want to spend time making dummy packages |
| 20:28.19 | MohammadAG | timeless_n900, mind checking your /query? |
| 20:29.01 | jhb|mobile | ha, i forgot that i now have this nifty little device for the internets |
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| 20:29.25 | timeless_n900 | heh |
| 20:33.27 | timeless_n900 | mohammadag, i generally will eventually notice /query :) |
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| 20:53.11 | jhb|mobile | timeless_n900: doesn't seem to work with that plugin... |
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| 20:56.17 | epp | where can i get the patched drivber for injectioon? |
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| 21:02.09 | crashanddie_ | google |
| 21:03.53 | crashanddie_ | also, learn to type |
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| 21:23.25 | jhb|mobile | phone crashed... |
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| 21:29.01 | hardaker | jhb|mobile: you should get an n900. They don't crash. :-P |
| 21:30.53 | jhb|mobile | stupid me ;) |
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| 21:41.01 | jhb|mobile | found an xpi for ovi maps, still hangs though.... |
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| 21:57.33 | mr_cecil | does anyone know if there is a mirror of harbaum's repo at download.obs.maemo.org? |
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| 22:12.28 | flat` | a |
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| 22:18.08 | jhb|mobile | ha, finally see the ovi maps on my win - had to disable a line of code, but at least some progress! |
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| 22:30.21 | NIN101 | is the standard SMS application open source? |
| 22:30.23 | Arkenoi | btw is it possible to run applications like conversations on remote X server, windowed? |
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| 23:02.49 | NIN101 | Is this channel, as maemo.org, also owned by nokia? |
| 23:03.35 | jhb|mobile | i don't think one can own a freenode channel |
| 23:04.20 | NIN101 | I mean: is nokia the founder of this channel? I mean +q etc. |
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| 23:05.19 | SpeedEvil | jhb: yes, you can |
| 23:06.51 | MohammadAG | +q is quiet on this server |
| 23:07.16 | MohammadAG | it's running ircd-seven, not UnrealIRCd |
| 23:07.48 | NIN101 | haha, ok. |
| 23:08.44 | MohammadAG | X-Fade "owns" the channel |
| 23:09.06 | jhb | SpeedEvil: I know what you mean, but you can't own as in 'sell my property', afaik |
| 23:09.48 | pupnik_ | Arkenoi: x is designed to be networkable, but compositors break that sometimes |
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| 23:17.07 | Arkenoi | pupnik_, what is the command line to run conversations? |
| 23:20.24 | pupnik_ | i don't even know what ur talkinbout |
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| 23:21.50 | HtheB | o/ |
| 23:23.46 | HtheB | anyone alive? :D |
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| 23:29.13 | NIN101 | Is there any public svn/git whatever of the standard kernel out there? |
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| 23:29.55 | HtheB | stock? |
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| 23:39.56 | MohammadAG | NIN101, it's in the repos, no svn/git |
| 23:40.40 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"$appname" |
| 23:40.51 | MohammadAG | for conversations, appname would be rtcom-messaging-ui |
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| 23:42.27 | NIN101 | Yeah i know it is in the repo. But, as there is no public version control stuff, I can assume that it is developed behind the scenes? Not that this is a big problem, I am just curious. |
| 23:42.34 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, it won't inherit DISPLAY this way |
| 23:43.09 | MohammadAG | don't know of any other way, rtcom-messaging-ui drools and the .launch file segfaults |
| 23:43.31 | HtheB | MohammadAG: can you help me? |
| 23:44.15 | MohammadAG | with? |
| 23:44.35 | HtheB | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=911810 |
| 23:44.37 | HtheB | with that |
| 23:44.37 | HtheB | :( |
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| 23:45.55 | pupnik_ | before i had a computer, this was my favorite piece of gear in the whole world http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8154/kd85aa6.jpg |
| 23:46.34 | MohammadAG | HtheB, only advice I could give is stop bluetoothd; start bluetoothd; that solves all BT problems I encounter |
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| 23:47.32 | HtheB | stop: job not changed : bluetoothd |
| 23:47.46 | wmarone | are you root? |
| 23:47.48 | HtheB | yup |
| 23:48.40 | HtheB | when I do start again |
| 23:48.43 | HtheB | it will show the output |
| 23:48.46 | HtheB | but at the end: |
| 23:48.55 | HtheB | start: bluetoothd respawning too fast, stopped |
| 23:51.02 | MohammadAG | then wait |
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| 23:57.11 | HtheB | MohammadAG: I wait for over a week now :D |
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| 23:58.28 | crashanddie_ | HtheB: that usually means it crashes |
| 23:58.46 | HtheB | there should be a way to fix it? ... |
| 23:58.56 | HtheB | I deleted a device from the paired list |
| 23:59.02 | HtheB | and... then bluetooth died :( |
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