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| 00:51.17 | BCMM | there seem to be multiple packages that provide for some sort of timed profile changes (going silent at night, etc.) - anyone prefer any specific one, for a reason? |
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| 00:53.59 | jacekowski | i was looking at psp specs |
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| 00:54.07 | jacekowski | and it has 300MHz mips processor |
| 00:54.26 | luke-jr | what? |
| 00:54.33 | luke-jr | 300MHz sucks :P |
| 00:54.40 | jacekowski | with very shitty graphic processor |
| 00:54.56 | jacekowski | and it should be possible to emulate it at reasonable speed at n900 |
| 00:55.10 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, 333 |
| 00:55.18 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 00:55.30 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:55.39 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, actually, some/most first gen PSP games ran at 222MHz |
| 00:55.56 | ShadowJK | dunno, emulating 300MHz MIPS on 600MHz could be tricky |
| 00:56.06 | MohammadAG | and some custom firmware raised that to 333MHz |
| 00:56.15 | jacekowski | it was sony firmware |
| 00:56.17 | MohammadAG | then sony unlocked the CPU in an update so devs can use it |
| 00:56.23 | luke-jr | even my router has 400MHz :p |
| 00:56.37 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes, but old games with old firmware libs had 222MHz as the top CPU speed |
| 00:56.54 | MohammadAG | but think about it |
| 00:57.01 | MohammadAG | the PSP is 400x272 or sth |
| 00:57.11 | MohammadAG | and the games look pixelated on that |
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| 00:57.50 | jacekowski | thing is that psp is running old mips |
| 00:57.58 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, anyways, is there even a PC emulator for PSP games? |
| 00:58.15 | jacekowski | yes |
| 00:58.17 | jacekowski | lot of them |
| 00:58.27 | jacekowski | one in java |
| 00:58.38 | pupnik | jacekowski: what system has ever been emulated by a host system with 2x the mhz of the emulated system? |
| 00:58.38 | MohammadAG | for games? |
| 00:58.44 | MohammadAG | I thought they only emualted homebrew |
| 00:58.55 | jacekowski | they emulate games as well |
| 00:58.57 | MohammadAG | pupnik, 3x |
| 00:59.01 | pupnik | ok 3 |
| 00:59.04 | ds3 | speaking of emulators, anyone got stella running with the n900? |
| 00:59.05 | MohammadAG | as I said, some games ran at 222 |
| 00:59.16 | ds3 | and have debs for the n900 |
| 00:59.16 | pupnik | yes ds3 - it's ugly but works |
| 00:59.24 | jacekowski | pupnik: first, arm is a lot faster |
| 00:59.26 | ds3 | pupnik: got working debs for the n900? |
| 00:59.34 | pupnik | not really |
| 00:59.46 | jacekowski | pupnik: i mean, new cortex is a lot faster than 30 years old r4000 |
| 01:00.10 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, then it's very possible to get an emulator |
| 01:00.14 | MohammadAG | but keep this in mind |
| 01:00.15 | ds3 | jacekowski: but the r4000 doesn't have the nice branch avoidance setup that the ARMs have |
| 01:00.18 | pupnik | well i know someone who is writing a PSP emulator :) |
| 01:00.21 | MohammadAG | a PSP can run PS1 games |
| 01:00.27 | MohammadAG | and we see how those perform on the N900 |
| 01:00.39 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: how? |
| 01:00.46 | MohammadAG | so unless you get the SGX working properly with it... |
| 01:00.49 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, crap |
| 01:00.55 | MohammadAG | 10-15 FPS |
| 01:01.00 | jacekowski | acceptable |
| 01:01.05 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 01:01.12 | MohammadAG | (without SGX fyi) |
| 01:01.13 | jacekowski | overclock it to like 800MHz |
| 01:01.33 | MohammadAG | would rather have it graphically accelerated |
| 01:02.03 | jacekowski | hmmmmm |
| 01:02.11 | jacekowski | ps1 was running 33MHz mips r3000 |
| 01:02.43 | jacekowski | no chance |
| 01:02.50 | MohammadAG | to? |
| 01:03.07 | jacekowski | emulate 200MHz r4000 |
| 01:03.16 | jacekowski | unless there are major screw ups in that code |
| 01:03.19 | jacekowski | but hmm |
| 01:03.42 | jacekowski | qemu has like 1 to 10 instruction rate in fully emulated mode |
| 01:03.45 | MohammadAG | well, I think it runs full speed on the pandora |
| 01:03.45 | jacekowski | for x86 |
| 01:03.59 | MohammadAG | and the pandora has the same specs as the N900 (?) |
| 01:04.27 | jacekowski | well, there is one linux psp emulator |
| 01:04.36 | jacekowski | we can see if it works at all |
| 01:04.47 | MohammadAG | it should |
| 01:04.52 | wolf^ | MohammadAG, sony doesn't allow running games at 333 mhz |
| 01:05.01 | MohammadAG | FPS might be in the 0.xs |
| 01:05.08 | MohammadAG | wolf^, CFW does, right |
| 01:05.25 | jacekowski | The PSP uses two 333 MHz MIPS32 R4000-based CPUs, a GPU with 2 MB onboard VRAM running at 166 MHz, and includes 32 MB main RAM and 4 MB embedded DRAM in total.[4] The hardware was originally forced to run more slowly than it was capable of and most games ran at 222 MHz.[124] However, with firmware update 3.50 on May 31, 2007, Sony removed this limit and allowed new games to run at a full 333 MHz.[125] |
| 01:05.32 | jacekowski | wolf^: it does |
| 01:05.32 | jacekowski | fuck |
| 01:05.40 | jacekowski | two 333MHz cpus |
| 01:05.57 | MohammadAG | wait what |
| 01:06.03 | wolf^ | jacekowski, you won't pass certification if you run at 333 mhz |
| 01:06.06 | MohammadAG | that means like 666MHz? |
| 01:06.15 | jacekowski | wolf^: it does |
| 01:06.25 | jacekowski | wolf^: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/47564 |
| 01:06.28 | jacekowski | wolf^: read that |
| 01:06.34 | jacekowski | wolf^: Sony Confirms Full PSP CPU Speed (Updated) |
| 01:07.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: sort of |
| 01:07.04 | MohammadAG | regardless |
| 01:07.07 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: but not exactly |
| 01:07.17 | MohammadAG | can we focus on the fact that some games were in fact running on 222? |
| 01:07.24 | jacekowski | it's more like 2+2<4 |
| 01:07.29 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, weird, never heard of that mentioned anywhere |
| 01:07.31 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: on two cpus |
| 01:07.34 | MohammadAG | the two CPUs part |
| 01:07.35 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: wikipedia |
| 01:07.55 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, maybe the second one is the GPU? |
| 01:07.59 | jacekowski | no |
| 01:08.01 | MohammadAG | wikipedia can have mistakes |
| 01:08.38 | jacekowski | nah |
| 01:08.43 | jacekowski | quick google confirms it |
| 01:08.57 | jacekowski | shit |
| 01:09.11 | jacekowski | even some code translation is not going to help |
| 01:09.39 | jacekowski | with very good jit there will be at least 20% performance impact |
| 01:09.43 | MohammadAG | I'm still not sure about the 2 CPU part |
| 01:10.33 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: 666 with hyper-threading maybe |
| 01:10.40 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: without, more like 800 |
| 01:10.53 | luke-jr | (or 600 for 222) |
| 01:11.06 | MohammadAG | I'm quite sure it was one CPU |
| 01:11.16 | MohammadAG | as others say/confirm on another IRC server |
| 01:12.23 | luke-jr | jacekowski: if the binary format is sane and there's no DRM code in them, you could probably pre-recompile MIPS to ARM |
| 01:12.35 | luke-jr | pre-virtualize too |
| 01:13.49 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it seems the CPU is one, and the Media engine is another processor |
| 01:13.54 | trumee | Can ovi maps do turn by turn navigation on N900? |
| 01:13.55 | MohammadAG | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable_hardware#Technical_specifications |
| 01:14.04 | trumee | ofcourse without voice. |
| 01:14.15 | luke-jr | trumee: with network |
| 01:14.20 | MohammadAG | he secondary CPU present in the Media Engine is functionally equivalent to the primary CPU save for a lack of a VPU |
| 01:14.40 | trumee | luke-jr, is there a way to simulate the route? |
| 01:14.55 | luke-jr | trumee: not afaik |
| 01:15.35 | trumee | luke-jr, i am installing ovi suite hopefully which can let me load the whole map to the device |
| 01:19.23 | wolf^ | jacekowski, also, about that shitty psp gpu, n900 has much worse one |
| 01:20.34 | jacekowski | i very much doubt that |
| 01:20.59 | jacekowski | quality of graphic on n900 is a lot better than psp |
| 01:21.20 | pupnik | it's nice that you have an opinion jacekowski |
| 01:21.27 | wolf^ | and? |
| 01:21.35 | wolf^ | i have code running on psp and n900 |
| 01:21.39 | wolf^ | and it's 60 vs 20 fps |
| 01:22.03 | jacekowski | 20fps is still acceptable |
| 01:22.18 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 01:22.27 | wolf^ | yeah, lol |
| 01:22.31 | ShadowJK | wolf: same resolution too? |
| 01:22.40 | wolf^ | same resolution |
| 01:22.55 | wolf^ | basically a rebuild for n900, without chaning any assets |
| 01:23.09 | ShadowJK | suspects everything except video is limited to about 20 on n900 :-) |
| 01:23.47 | wolf^ | if you do software rendering you can have very smooth fps |
| 01:24.29 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: go for marble |
| 01:24.46 | jacekowski | that marble thing |
| 01:24.50 | jacekowski | is it only me |
| 01:24.53 | jacekowski | or it's very slow |
| 01:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | it's slow, but getting faster :-D |
| 01:25.13 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, nope, not only you |
| 01:25.22 | jacekowski | getting faster as in? |
| 01:25.26 | MohammadAG | but it's better than google maps which have all API to israel blocked |
| 01:25.29 | jacekowski | next release will be faster |
| 01:25.44 | MohammadAG | except for the iPhone |
| 01:25.47 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 01:26.43 | pupnik | the guy writing a psp emu for ARM is 18 years old now and he's got a fair amount done |
| 01:27.18 | MohammadAG | what's new in QtMobility 1.1 again? |
| 01:27.23 | MohammadAG | sees no link to a changelog |
| 01:28.13 | jacekowski | pupnik: what age has to do with it? |
| 01:29.57 | luke-jr | wolf^: fps != quality |
| 01:30.34 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: that's probably "Israel"'s fault |
| 01:30.56 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, no, I'll blame apple for it |
| 01:30.59 | technomike | I cannot wait to get my N900 USB port fixed :) |
| 01:31.07 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, it was fine before the iPhone was released |
| 01:31.11 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/erTEt.jpg math on the beach (sfw) |
| 01:31.13 | comawhite | does Maemo support two finger touch? |
| 01:31.18 | MohammadAG | no |
| 01:31.22 | comawhite | aww nutz |
| 01:31.23 | MohammadAG | the hardware doesn't |
| 01:31.25 | luke-jr | comawhite: to an extent |
| 01:31.27 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: it does |
| 01:31.36 | comawhite | what's the extent? |
| 01:31.36 | MohammadAG | I'm not talking about simulated multitouch |
| 01:31.52 | comawhite | I mean like pinching, spreading apart |
| 01:31.52 | MohammadAG | it doesn't in the sense you want |
| 01:31.52 | luke-jr | comawhite: only one finger can move |
| 01:32.03 | luke-jr | comawhite: pinching requires 2 moving fingers |
| 01:32.07 | comawhite | nuts |
| 01:32.08 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, that's not multitouch |
| 01:32.18 | MohammadAG | that's confused singletouch |
| 01:37.27 | wolf^ | luke-jr, how do you quantify quality? |
| 01:37.37 | luke-jr | wolf^: what looks pretty |
| 01:37.58 | wolf^ | n900 cannot into pretty due to the fps issues |
| 01:38.07 | wolf^ | and even ugly driver bugs that lock up the phone |
| 01:39.36 | wolf^ | luke-jr, http://img573.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010123002383.png/ |
| 01:39.41 | wolf^ | it runs at maybe 2 fps |
| 01:40.02 | wolf^ | if i put the resolution up it hangs up the display |
| 01:43.13 | wolf^ | ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foR64ZObAXA#t=1m03 ) |
| 01:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (confused single) ack |
| 01:49.39 | FIQ|n900 | oh, awesome, amsn nowdays require something that is unavailable, rendering it useless to use. >_> |
| 01:49.57 | FIQ|n900 | (TLS) |
| 01:50.31 | jacekowski | thread local storage? |
| 01:50.49 | jacekowski | wolf^: i've seen better stuff in 4k category |
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| 01:51.03 | FIQ|n900 | the security thing which acronym definition i've forgotten |
| 01:51.11 | MohammadAG | FIQ|n900, sorry about that |
| 01:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | HELL |
| 01:51.27 | MohammadAG | apparently, it's hardcoded to look in /opt, and the tcl packages are optified |
| 01:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDN |
| 01:51.37 | MohammadAG | humidity 92 lol |
| 01:51.46 | jacekowski | does it mean under water? |
| 01:51.50 | FIQ|n900 | -16C |
| 01:51.54 | SpeedEvil | 92% humidity is not a lot of humidity at -16C |
| 01:51.56 | FIQ|n900 | sounds warm |
| 01:52.00 | MohammadAG | ~weather Israel |
| 01:52.16 | FIQ|n900 | ~weather Sweden |
| 01:52.22 | SpeedEvil | 92% humidity means that there is 92% of the most water the air can hold at -16c |
| 01:52.28 | nox- | use airport codes |
| 01:52.30 | FIQ|n900 | ~weather stockholm |
| 01:52.31 | SpeedEvil | ~weather EDIN |
| 01:52.55 | nox- | ~weather muc |
| 01:53.01 | nox- | heh |
| 01:53.06 | MohammadAG | ~weather LLJR |
| 01:53.14 | nox- | hm |
| 01:53.15 | luke-jr | ~weather 33523 |
| 01:53.20 | luke-jr | fail |
| 01:53.27 | MohammadAG | /query |
| 01:53.45 | mikki-kun | is apt our bot? |
| 01:53.58 | MohammadAG | it's the same as infobot |
| 01:54.02 | mikki-kun | ohhhh, ok |
| 01:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | no ! she's *mine*! |
| 01:54.08 | mikki-kun | LOL |
| 01:54.15 | BCMM | pupnik: probably something very similar to the host |
| 01:54.20 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: you gotta train your slave better... |
| 01:54.33 | BCMM | pupnik: woah, sorry, i was reading the scrollback and thought i was reading current stuff |
| 01:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather LBBG |
| 01:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 01:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather LLBG |
| 01:58.30 | Noma | ~weather EFTP |
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| 02:00.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, 15C :( |
| 02:00.32 | MohammadAG | wants subzero temperatures too :( |
| 02:00.34 | mikki-kun | is there any sense behind those codes? |
| 02:00.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather EDDM |
| 02:01.13 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: They are airport codes |
| 02:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml |
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| 02:03.13 | SpeedEvil | ~weather EQGL |
| 02:03.32 | SpeedEvil | ~weather EGQL |
| 02:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you can have them for take away |
| 02:04.10 | mikki-kun | ~weather EDDL |
| 02:04.36 | mikki-kun | hm... no wonder i ain't freezing anymore |
| 02:04.46 | mikki-kun | 0°C... |
| 02:05.17 | SpeedEvil | That's about right - leuchars - for me - it's about 10 miles from here. |
| 02:05.27 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - it's warmed up so much I turned the heating off. |
| 02:05.52 | SpeedEvil | Well - apart from electric blanket. |
| 02:06.20 | mikki-kun | ~weather LSZH |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | suspects SpeedEvil has a heating just for sake of waterpipes and LiIon cells |
| 02:06.31 | mikki-kun | ok, no snow when i get home |
| 02:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | well, I seem to spot a certain logic in these codes. I still fail on fist letter though |
| 02:08.02 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: what does the second D stand for in germany? |
| 02:08.09 | DocScrutinizer | if E stood for Europe, so why is Israel like Swiss L then |
| 02:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: not entirely sure. maybe a filler |
| 02:09.47 | mikki-kun | Dat schöne München liegt im noch schöneren Freistaat Bayern! (bin in Augsburg geboren ^^) - Beautiful Munich lies in the georgeous free state Bavaria! |
| 02:10.56 | mikki-kun | i guess those guys didn't know when they made those codes Germany is also seperated into states... |
| 02:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | but then |
| 02:11.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather ETFB |
| 02:12.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~weather ETSF |
| 02:12.11 | mikki-kun | WTF?! |
| 02:12.21 | mikki-kun | Teudschland? XD |
| 02:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | Teutschlant |
| 02:12.59 | mikki-kun | either i fail to see the logic here or those codes were made by drunks... |
| 02:13.07 | mikki-kun | i guess later one is the case |
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| 02:17.08 | Termana | good morning |
| 02:18.24 | mikki-kun | Termana: good morning :) |
| 02:23.25 | pupnik | expensive low temps |
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| 02:34.27 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 02:34.27 | apt | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 02:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: TTR |
| 02:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | now reassigned to miliTary |
| 02:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO-Code#Aufbau_des_ICAO-Codes |
| 02:37.56 | DocScrutinizer | E=northern Europe, L=southern Europe |
| 02:38.14 | nox- | ~weather eddh |
| 02:38.45 | nox- | bbl |
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| 02:40.41 | DocScrutinizer | EDD = international civil german airport |
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| 02:45.18 | mikki-kun | seems it is really made way too complicated... |
| 02:50.12 | SpeedEvil | You have to fit all the airports in the world into a four letter code. |
| 02:50.38 | SpeedEvil | flashes his phone. |
| 02:50.46 | SpeedEvil | Maybe now sound'll start working. |
| 02:51.59 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: problems with your sound? |
| 02:52.05 | mikki-kun | there was a bug in a package |
| 02:52.23 | mikki-kun | it rebuilt a nokia-buult package which it acutally shouldn't |
| 02:52.26 | SpeedEvil | Somehow pulseaudio wasn't starting. |
| 02:52.32 | SpeedEvil | In principle, I'm in favour of this. |
| 02:53.46 | SpeedEvil | Aha - Mr Hands! With sound. |
| 02:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | bleurrgh |
| 02:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | this sound is the true reason why PA was broken in that package mikki-kun mentioned |
| 02:56.34 | mikki-kun | PA? |
| 02:56.39 | mikki-kun | ahhh, pulse audio |
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| 03:11.27 | pupnik | n900 would be a nice platform to try to fix-up the PA problems |
| 03:11.53 | pupnik | i believe there's one full-time employee making exactly what, no progress whatsoever there... |
| 03:12.35 | pupnik | not to sound bitter or anything |
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| 03:13.35 | SpeedEvil | I think if you kill him, you can take his job. |
| 03:13.47 | SpeedEvil | Or is that only in some star-trek episodes. |
| 03:13.48 | SpeedEvil | I forget |
| 03:14.01 | pupnik | :) |
| 03:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | just thought about the funny fact of startrek assuming everybody is equipped with this magic universal translator - except klingons |
| 03:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | probably a natural extrapolation of the way US Americans think about languages other than US English |
| 03:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | oh, there have been other languages than "starfleet" and klingon actually, e.g. binar which sounded like a defect modem and probably wasn't compatible with universal translators, so the binarians had to switch beteen their own language and natural "star fleet" |
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| 03:22.35 | SpeedEvil | Also that silly 'cite precedents' language that made no sense at all. |
| 03:23.37 | pupnik | I'd be curious to see how much of PA's load is caused by the lowpass filter, versus how much is caused by the PA architecture itself |
| 03:23.52 | pupnik | given that driving alsa itself takes up basically no cpu time at all |
| 03:24.00 | pupnik | s/lowpass/highpass |
| 03:24.14 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: your analysis is missing the oft-cited fact that (post TOS, anyway), klingons are black, portrayed as primitive and predisposed to violence |
| 03:24.38 | pupnik | wonder if all you need to do is plug headphones in for that |
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| 03:24.50 | pupnik | anyone care to test PA playback cpu load with headphones vs speakers? |
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| 03:37.53 | DocScrutinizer | I think that has been done. By SpeedEvil ? |
| 03:38.20 | SpeedEvil | I dont' rememrbe |
| 03:38.57 | pupnik | well if you do it sometime, please drop me a private message with your resuls (so i don't miss it) |
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| 03:44.14 | Termana | pupnik, DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil - PA uses less CPU usage with headphones than the speakers |
| 03:44.40 | Termana | Something about no having to run the speaker protection algorithm on headphones (? IIRC) |
| 03:44.43 | pupnik | right |
| 03:44.44 | Termana | not* |
| 03:44.50 | pupnik | and how much is that, roughly |
| 03:45.04 | pupnik | e.g. use 'top' to monitor it |
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| 03:49.12 | DocScrutinizer | sth like 20% vs 10%? IIRC |
| 03:51.20 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, shaka, when the walls fell |
| 03:51.51 | ShadowJK | xkcd had a slightly related comic |
| 03:53.04 | n900evil | yeah - that |
| 03:53.06 | n900evil | also |
| 03:53.22 | n900evil | wow do I have a lot of apps I actually use |
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| 03:59.09 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: yeah, the percentage figure does depends on the particular app and current cpu speed though |
| 03:59.18 | pupnik | so the governor does need to be locked |
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| 04:01.13 | Termana | pupnik, without headphones it's 16-18%, with headphones 9-11%, so roughly what DocScrutinizer said anyway :p |
| 04:01.47 | pupnik | hey thanks |
| 04:02.44 | toresbe | a real question is why the hell is the sound API using up 10% of the CPU |
| 04:02.57 | pupnik | yes |
| 04:03.33 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 04:03.46 | toresbe | I've got a real axe to grind with pulseaudio. I find that every. fucking. sound problem I have had the last four years have been solved immediately by doing "sudo rm /usr/bin/pulseaudio; sudo ln -s /bin/cat /usr/bin/pulseaudio; sudo killall pulseaudio" |
| 04:04.00 | toresbe | IT WORKS EVERY TIME, AND THEN MY SOUND WORKS AFTERWARDS. |
| 04:04.15 | MohammadAG | well, that won't work on maemo |
| 04:04.25 | toresbe | That's true. :) |
| 04:04.30 | MohammadAG | mafw's open source, can be fixed for music |
| 04:04.44 | MohammadAG | phone app isn't, you're stuck to PA I'm afraid ;) |
| 04:05.11 | toresbe | I'd be happy if somebody just made pulseaudio not suck, break and hog. |
| 04:05.33 | MohammadAG | sign me up for that too |
| 04:06.23 | toresbe | (That said, it seems like a workable architecture for mobile units, in terms of all the different stuff you have to pull off with sending sound all around the place, so I definitely see the point) |
| 04:07.07 | toresbe | but the audio API using 20% CPU util on sound playback is just absurd to me. And it's 5AM so I'm grumpier than normal. |
| 04:07.47 | pupnik | toresbe: i'm glad that you're grumpy |
| 04:08.23 | Gh0sty | morning |
| 04:08.27 | toresbe | Whilst walking home from work I played back a digitized recording of a 1963 performance of music on a PDP-1 computer. |
| 04:08.51 | toresbe | I found it somewhat ironic that I was using a computer so many orders of magnitude faster to listen to that recording, and carrying it in my pocket :) |
| 04:09.08 | pupnik | they also did computer singing around that time 'daisy' |
| 04:09.08 | Gh0sty | imagines toresbe with a long grey beard now |
| 04:09.32 | toresbe | I'm 22 but I'm grumpier and oldfartier than my years. |
| 04:09.43 | Gh0sty | :p |
| 04:09.54 | Gh0sty | hm them you are3 my ae? |
| 04:09.56 | toresbe | pupnik: Yeah, that was an IBM 7094 Mk II, and very much not real-time |
| 04:10.03 | Gh0sty | age |
| 04:10.29 | Gh0sty | im 28 and pdp-1 does not tell me anything |
| 04:10.50 | toresbe | I've written and run Hello World on it :) |
| 04:11.13 | Gh0sty | ive been working sometimes on stuff like older alpha and sparc machines |
| 04:11.24 | Gh0sty | and probably some dec |
| 04:11.25 | toresbe | Well, "Hello Worrld", anyway. The curator was trying to catch a train... |
| 04:11.33 | Gh0sty | bit nothing too serious |
| 04:11.41 | ds3 | bare handed or with a train glove? |
| 04:11.51 | Gh0sty | i am still from the dos generation however |
| 04:12.06 | toresbe | ds3: The console printer was "cleared" for non-glove use. |
| 04:12.07 | Gh0sty | and still happy to have known it |
| 04:12.25 | toresbe | pupnik: The IBM rendered the waveforms onto seven-track data tape which was then fed to a DAC. |
| 04:12.36 | Gh0sty | knowing dos and bat scripting really helped to understand linux shell at start |
| 04:12.52 | toresbe | pupnik: The PDP-1 however, just had some internal CPU flags and registers wired out to a PCB with some capacitors to smooth the waveform. :) |
| 04:12.55 | Gh0sty | oh and at home we had a commodore 128 |
| 04:12.59 | Gh0sty | still have |
| 04:13.14 | toresbe | It was very much a students' hack. |
| 04:13.31 | Gh0sty | earliest games i have are still written by hand purely by typing codde listings from books |
| 04:13.33 | toresbe | The 7094 was a vastly more expensive machine than the PDP-1. |
| 04:13.40 | Gh0sty | man im getting old :( |
| 04:14.57 | Gh0sty | and now awake at 5am |
| 04:14.57 | toresbe | The security in the PDP-1 machine room was lax enough that they could sneak in at night and solder on the CPU. The students would pick the lock on the computer room at times like 3AM, and added an indexed add instruction to the CPU :) |
| 04:15.07 | Gh0sty | damn medicins :( |
| 04:15.10 | Gh0sty | they suck |
| 04:15.30 | Gh0sty | talking of which |
| 04:15.38 | Gh0sty | we have a fun issue at work |
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| 04:16.01 | Gh0sty | some older sun boxes arrived from our disaster center |
| 04:16.08 | toresbe | pupnik: I actually really like the rendition of the Little Fugue in G Minor by JS Bach: http://audio.textfiles.com/sounds/PDPMUSIC/ |
| 04:16.10 | Gh0sty | we still want to use em |
| 04:16.24 | Gh0sty | apparently both storage boxes are locked |
| 04:16.32 | Gh0sty | no keys to be found anywhere |
| 04:16.41 | Gh0sty | and both have a broken disk ... |
| 04:16.52 | Gh0sty | can power them without keys |
| 04:17.06 | Gh0sty | but cant remove disks without unlocking ... |
| 04:18.00 | Gh0sty | for now they can run in degraded mode but seriously who could imagine such a stupid problem ... :p |
| 04:18.29 | pupnik | toresbe: yeah computer music was fun. NeXT was a neat platform for it too |
| 04:19.04 | toresbe | I'd imagine. |
| 04:19.11 | toresbe | Never played with one, though I do have access to a cube |
| 04:21.01 | pupnik | it was just having a nice dsp with decent audio out |
| 04:22.21 | toresbe | DSPs are nice things :) |
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| 04:28.20 | pupnik | angry birds is so random sometimes |
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| 04:35.19 | pupnik | hard to believe people get 3 stars on some of these.. |
| 04:35.25 | rm_you | lol |
| 04:35.32 | rm_you | is there angry birds for maemo? :P |
| 04:35.41 | Termana | ... yes |
| 04:35.45 | rm_you | really? lol |
| 04:35.50 | rm_you | should grab |
| 04:35.52 | Termana | ... really |
| 04:36.01 | rm_you | :P |
| 04:36.02 | Termana | in the Ovi Store |
| 04:36.10 | Termana | (ovi store... LOL) |
| 04:36.29 | rm_you | lol didn't know they actually had software in that :P |
| 04:37.12 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 04:38.21 | rm_you | was it? :P |
| 04:38.27 | rm_you | I am SO out of the loop |
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| 04:39.16 | rm_you | disappears |
| 04:39.59 | pupnik | i saw i very early ... i think jan 2010 or so |
| 04:40.16 | pupnik | it was like the first game announced for ovi store or somethign |
| 04:40.33 | pupnik | it's remarkably inducive of replaying levels |
| 04:40.41 | pupnik | due to the chaos of the many interacting elements |
| 04:47.24 | pupnik | bahaha the pigs have a swedish flag |
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| 04:59.24 | Arkenoi | is 4th level pack out already? |
| 05:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I heard somebody coded a virus and called it "angry birds level4-pack" |
| 05:02.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 05:02.33 | pupnik | key seems to be restarting the levels if your first shot doesn't pay off big |
| 05:11.09 | mikki-kun | hm... soon my compiles shall run faster and better than ever before as two machines will do them! |
| 05:11.20 | mikki-kun | ehhhh, sorry, wc >.< |
| 05:11.30 | mikki-kun | seems i should go really to bed x) |
| 05:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | wc -l |
| 05:11.58 | mikki-kun | wc == wrong channel =p |
| 05:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | -ECHAN |
| 05:12.20 | MohammadAG | http://i51.tinypic.com/2d6u07t.jpg |
| 05:12.24 | MohammadAG | thanks lcuk :) |
| 05:12.51 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: new media player? |
| 05:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | ummm 000 songs? |
| 05:13.07 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 05:13.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, placeholder :P |
| 05:13.14 | mikki-kun | :o |
| 05:13.21 | MohammadAG | just to test what would happen if 999 songs were there |
| 05:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | I hope there's place for >999 songs |
| 05:13.30 | MohammadAG | FYI, over 9000 works just as fine |
| 05:13.32 | mikki-kun | GO MOHAMMAD GO!!! |
| 05:13.34 | mikki-kun | x) |
| 05:14.05 | mikki-kun | is that a late christmas-present for us all maemonians? :) |
| 05:14.06 | mikki-kun | x) |
| 05:14.27 | MohammadAG | nicolai got song listing working :) |
| 05:14.30 | MohammadAG | we just need to polish it |
| 05:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 05:14.45 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I went through after ***'ng all of them, and on most levels managed to get significantly more than the *** highscore |
| 05:15.13 | pupnik | wow |
| 05:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | a nice directory based fileselector is fine for me |
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| 05:15.58 | pupnik | btw i see 4 levels... 2. Danger Above and 4. The Big Setup |
| 05:16.03 | pupnik | s/2/3 |
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| 05:16.32 | MohammadAG | and by polish I mean tidy the code, not make reflected album art |
| 05:16.35 | Arkenoi | the big setup? |
| 05:17.13 | MohammadAG | yes, new pack name afaik |
| 05:17.38 | pupnik | well it definitely gets sickening after retrying a lefel for the 12th time |
| 05:17.46 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, I'd consider it early valentine's day |
| 05:17.53 | MohammadAG | k, that's weird, late christmas it is |
| 05:17.54 | Arkenoi | i see it, but it says i can get in the the ovi store and when i click on ovi store it says i should upgrade my device :-) |
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| 05:18.32 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: awwwww, you wanna spread luv with it? ;) |
| 05:18.40 | Arkenoi | "We are sorry bla bla bla" |
| 05:19.17 | MohammadAG | osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0" 2> /dev/null || exit 0 |
| 05:19.24 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, run that in a root shell and reboot |
| 05:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF? || exit 0 ??? |
| 05:20.42 | MohammadAG | idk, ask Nokia |
| 05:21.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, cat /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-generic-pr.postinst |
| 05:21.31 | MohammadAG | or whatever package you have |
| 05:22.29 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, sometimes it's a bit funny to copy a line from a script and suggest to run that single line in a shell |
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| 05:29.17 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, http://i54.tinypic.com/nxpc2x.jpg |
| 05:29.21 | MohammadAG | the first button is pressed |
| 05:29.30 | MohammadAG | I just got it working like Nokia's button (style) |
| 05:34.23 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: looks really good :) |
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| 05:42.20 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, did not help |
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| 06:05.04 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, :) |
| 06:05.54 | mikki-kun | hopefully nokia will learn how they should have actually coded that beast... |
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| 06:14.57 | pupnik | getting audio out the speakers on maemo costs more CPU than android's entire VM/bytecode-interpreter |
| 06:15.06 | pupnik | hurrrrr! |
| 06:15.27 | pupnik | slow hand claps |
| 06:16.29 | Termana | beats pupnik silly |
| 06:16.45 | Termana | BLASPHEMY! |
| 06:17.00 | MohammadAG | You're not the one who can decide that |
| 06:17.04 | MohammadAG | beats Termana |
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| 06:22.37 | pupnik | heheh |
| 06:23.19 | pupnik | I have no evidence that this issue is a priority for the coming meego / N9 |
| 06:25.40 | pupnik | And it doesn't look like a trivial thing to fix |
| 06:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*pulse*' -exec rm {} ; |
| 06:26.45 | MohammadAG | try the PA package with the FIFO implementation |
| 06:26.49 | MohammadAG | or was it LILO |
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| 06:27.01 | MohammadAG | too many *I*O cap, can't remember |
| 06:27.14 | pupnik | thanks MohammadAG - will do |
| 06:27.25 | pupnik | any more keywords to search with? |
| 06:27.40 | MohammadAG | it's on bugzilla |
| 06:27.41 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 06:27.47 | MohammadAG | music stutters browsing |
| 06:27.50 | MohammadAG | search for those |
| 06:27.55 | pupnik | thanks again |
| 06:28.21 | MohammadAG | tries to find it |
| 06:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | find / -name '*pulse*' -o -name 'pa*' -exec rm {} ; |
| 06:29.09 | MohammadAG | bug 7190 |
| 06:29.11 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7190 music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web |
| 06:29.21 | MohammadAG | should be the last comment there |
| 06:29.22 | MohammadAG | iirc |
| 06:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
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| 06:36.34 | ShadowJK | always suspected music stuttering was mostly insufficient caching of the input file by the media player, as internet streeamed radio almost never stutters for me |
| 06:37.21 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 06:37.26 | MohammadAG | mediaplayer or mafw? |
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| 06:41.39 | ShadowJK | nfi |
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| 06:46.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | ewwww dawn |
| 06:46.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | n8 |
| 06:46.44 | iratie | Has anyone ever successfully unlocked a Nokia C6? I attempted to purchase a code from a retailer, but they said they couldn't do it and refunded my money |
| 06:47.32 | doc|home | iratie: might be a better idea to try #symbian (if it exists) |
| 06:47.52 | Appiah | does it even run maemo? |
| 06:48.11 | iratie | I'm not sure what maemo is, I searched for nokia IRC and found this room |
| 06:48.19 | ShadowJK | No it doesn't run maemo |
| 06:48.25 | Appiah | it's a OS |
| 06:48.27 | doc|home | it's symbian... |
| 06:48.41 | doc|home | only the n8/900 runs maemo |
| 06:48.44 | doc|home | er |
| 06:48.46 | doc|home | n8-900 |
| 06:48.55 | ShadowJK | The best way to unlock is to buy it unlocked in the first place :-) |
| 06:48.57 | doc|home | damn it, n8x0/n900 :) |
| 06:49.06 | Appiah | good morning doc|home :D |
| 06:49.17 | doc|home | morning Appiah |
| 06:49.46 | RST38h | n8-900 was good though |
| 06:49.52 | iratie | Got it cheap because I thought I could put a FIdo sim in a Rogers phone what with them being the same GSM provider and all |
| 06:49.58 | doc|home | RST38h: could be confusing :/ |
| 06:50.24 | doc|home | iratie: that should be possible |
| 06:50.59 | doc|home | then again, maybe they're even more anal than they used to be |
| 06:52.03 | pupnik | n8 is a beautiful looking device imo |
| 06:53.16 | MohammadAG | it's nice in the hand |
| 06:56.03 | iratie | doc: no deal, super anal |
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| 07:05.59 | pupnik | iratie: maemo runs on the Nokia N900 - a linux-based phone |
| 07:06.03 | ddsfs | hi |
| 07:07.03 | pupnik | hi ddsfs |
| 07:07.42 | iratie | what's this bb5 business about, anyone know? |
| 07:08.07 | iratie | the C6 (RM-624) is not listed on any lists of BB5 phones but nor do most unlockers acknowledge it exists |
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| 07:55.24 | lolcat^ | So how do you get it? Weâve packaged it for Debian Squeeze/Ubuntu 10.04 package and for Fedora 13, i386 and x86_64. |
| 07:55.29 | lolcat^ | Can it play it? |
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| 08:03.16 | RobbieThe1st | lolcat: Probably not. We need an ARM deb(debian/ubuntu) package |
| 08:03.36 | RobbieThe1st | lolcat: If you can get the source, compiling it is possible. |
| 08:06.26 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 08:06.42 | timeless_mbp | that the maemo sdk vmware image was not LTS really sucks |
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| 08:09.14 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Maemo dev envs sub-optimal shock |
| 08:09.38 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: i wanted to do an apt equation solver |
| 08:10.00 | timeless_mbp | but i couldn't apt-get update because the distro it was using didn't exist |
| 08:10.10 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Nokia took *far* too long to realise that giving good, cross-platform dev tools was the single most important factor |
| 08:10.24 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: Doh |
| 08:10.45 | Jaffa | wonders what version is being used in the customised image he's using. |
| 08:11.30 | timeless_mbp | so i just updated to Jaunty |
| 08:11.34 | timeless_mbp | w/o rebooting into it |
| 08:11.43 | timeless_mbp | can i do another update before rebooting, or is that bad? |
| 08:14.40 | Jaffa | timeless_mbp: I *think* that's risky. |
| 08:15.00 | timeless_mbp | http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1185036 seems to indicate i can't use dist-upgrade |
| 08:16.09 | timeless_mbp | tries do-release-upgrade |
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| 08:17.02 | timeless_mbp | oh nice, it doesn't like my gcc packages |
| 08:17.50 | timeless_mbp | wow, that's cool, it estimated the download time for ~200mb as 3min |
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| 08:37.22 | timeless_mbp | hrm, i think my solver works |
| 08:38.36 | timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/904177 |
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| 08:41.51 | timeless_mbp | hrm, no |
| 08:41.54 | timeless_mbp | it's not working properly |
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| 08:43.44 | RST38h | Packrat has a builtin solver. |
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| 09:17.45 | timeless_mbp | is packrat a maemo thing? |
| 09:17.51 | timeless_mbp | i think my solver now works |
| 09:18.17 | timeless_mbp | note that what i want to solve is a nonstandard problem |
| 09:18.29 | timeless_mbp | it's a coverage question instead of an optimal question |
| 09:19.49 | jacekowski | what does it solve? |
| 09:20.05 | jacekowski | ah |
| 09:20.07 | jacekowski | i see |
| 09:20.26 | timeless_mbp | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/904217 |
| 09:20.38 | timeless_mbp | the input is all packages suggested by all tasks |
| 09:21.14 | timeless_mbp | the output is all packages which are available from Packages which could be pulled in via Pre?Depends/Recommends to satisfy those packages |
| 09:21.54 | timeless_mbp | the initial question was "what portion of the world is covered by tasks" |
| 09:22.02 | timeless_mbp | the answer is slightly over 10% |
| 09:22.11 | timeless_mbp | which was in line with our guess |
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| 09:23.03 | timeless_mbp | world here is debian-stable |
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| 09:25.20 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: do you have a debian install? |
| 09:26.01 | jacekowski | i do |
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| 09:39.27 | elysion | hi! anyone know how to open a popup like this http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=6606&stc=1&d=1264772312 on n900? |
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| 09:40.56 | daxt_ | Hello , anybody managed to shoot HD videos with N900 ? |
| 09:42.41 | RobbieThe1st | daxt_: Not possible, I'm pretty sure |
| 09:42.59 | daxt_ | RobbieThe1st - i highly doubt |
| 09:43.04 | RobbieThe1st | At least, not without some sort of custom driver, and even then, you are talking about a few FPS |
| 09:43.15 | daxt_ | N900 camera is pretty much capable in capturing HD frames |
| 09:43.32 | daxt_ | so why cannot it put them together into a video ? |
| 09:43.39 | RobbieThe1st | Ah, but at what speed? |
| 09:43.43 | Spookje | single frames, yeah.. but at least 25/second is something else.. |
| 09:44.02 | daxt_ | isn't it possible to put them in 25 fps ? |
| 09:44.14 | RobbieThe1st | uh.. what? |
| 09:44.52 | daxt_ | theoritically N900 has the hardware to capture HD video |
| 09:44.58 | daxt_ | yet why its not implemented yet ? |
| 09:45.00 | Spookje | ? |
| 09:45.09 | Appiah | huh |
| 09:45.12 | Spookje | where does that statement come from? |
| 09:45.27 | Spookje | does it have the hardware to provide 25 HD frames/second? |
| 09:45.29 | RobbieThe1st | Because the driver is closed-source? |
| 09:45.38 | Spookje | that as well |
| 09:45.44 | daxt_ | so lets make an open source driver :D |
| 09:46.10 | Spookje | you're not waiting on us to start working on that are you? |
| 09:46.26 | RobbieThe1st | Well, the real issue is, though - the camera itself isn't good enough to do much more than it is. |
| 09:46.46 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, even your 5mpix images have to be steeply downsampled to get rid of the noise |
| 09:47.02 | daxt_ | hmm |
| 09:47.09 | daxt_ | there must be a way to get this done |
| 09:47.31 | daxt_ | coz i see smaller devices with much slower speeds recording HD videos |
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| 09:47.37 | daxt_ | such as handycams |
| 09:47.51 | daxt_ | if they can do it , why N900 cannot ? :| |
| 09:47.54 | RobbieThe1st | It's all in the -hardware- |
| 09:47.58 | RobbieThe1st | as in the camera module. |
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| 09:48.41 | RobbieThe1st | Those devices have a custom ASIC that simply takes the incoming frames and does all the processing. Ours only does 800x480. |
| 09:49.10 | timeless_mbp | chuckles @ http://xkcd.com/778/ |
| 09:49.20 | daxt_ | so that means i have to wait till N1000 releases :( |
| 09:49.27 | RobbieThe1st | also, it's a ET8EK8 by Toshiba |
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| 09:50.06 | daxt_ | or if i can connect a HD handycam to N900 , then i dont need N900 to shoot videos :D |
| 09:50.26 | jacekowski | daxt_: hd video in n900 is not going to be very good |
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| 09:50.42 | jacekowski | you get decent quality of pictures only because of reasonably long exposure times |
| 09:50.51 | daxt_ | hmm |
| 09:50.54 | RobbieThe1st | Actually, if you want HD video... Just upsample it on your computer, run it through graycstoration... and you'll have just as good a result |
| 09:51.07 | BluesLee | can someone assist with scratchbox setup? |
| 09:51.07 | jacekowski | lens is too small to handle anything more |
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| 09:51.15 | daxt_ | Robbie that is a good idea |
| 09:51.19 | jacekowski | to record good HD video |
| 09:51.22 | jacekowski | you need |
| 09:51.27 | timeless_mbp | ah yes.. http://xkcd.com/781/ |
| 09:51.32 | Venemo_N900 | good morning everyone :) |
| 09:51.53 | jacekowski | big good *glass* lens |
| 09:52.28 | jacekowski | sensitive low noise sensor ( that can be mitigated by even bigger lens ) |
| 09:52.31 | timeless_mbp | heh http://xkcd.com/783/ |
| 09:52.43 | jacekowski | and hardware capable of encoding that video in real time |
| 09:53.39 | RobbieThe1st | Theoretically, couldn't the DSP be used to do quite a bit of the encoding work? |
| 09:53.54 | Venemo_N900 | yeah jacekowski |
| 09:54.07 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: it could |
| 09:54.14 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: but it's not going to help a lot |
| 09:54.24 | RobbieThe1st | ? |
| 09:54.31 | jacekowski | you need hardware encoder for it to work |
| 09:55.09 | Appiah | how about a n900-HD addon , just make a alittle bit bigger and attach it on the back |
| 09:55.24 | Appiah | ducks |
| 09:58.08 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
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| 10:01.42 | RobbieThe1st | ...Yea, I need a new screen. My screen cracked over a week ago and has been slowly getting worse over time. I got a replacement ordered tonight. |
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| 10:02.10 | Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: how did you manage to crack it? |
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| 10:03.00 | RobbieThe1st | It was inside a soft case at the time, and I think something(spare battery corner? USB cable-connector? bit of gum? ) got jammed against it |
| 10:03.12 | RobbieThe1st | odd thing is, the digitizer is perfectly fine |
| 10:03.30 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 10:03.54 | Venemo_N900 | so only the lcd is cracked, but touching works fine? interesting. |
| 10:04.11 | RobbieThe1st | Yup - I checked on the paint app |
| 10:04.34 | RobbieThe1st | I had to recalibrate it once, as it was slightly off... but it's pretty much dead on now |
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| 10:06.20 | RobbieThe1st | In case you're curious: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2669-small.jpeg |
| 10:07.01 | RobbieThe1st | It started out like this, two weeks ago: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2668.JPG |
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| 10:11.35 | Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: I'm sorry for your N900 |
| 10:12.00 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, I know. |
| 10:12.35 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, well... It's going to be a $40 and one harrowing experiance replacing it(Not too worried about doing it, worried about not being careful enough) |
| 10:13.21 | Spookje | $40? that's cheaper than i'd thought |
| 10:13.35 | Venemo_N900 | there're vids on youtube about how to disassemble an n900 |
| 10:14.09 | RobbieThe1st | Yea; I've seen a video and have the official leaked disassembly manual |
| 10:14.27 | RobbieThe1st | Actually, wait... It was ~50 all told including shipping |
| 10:14.32 | RobbieThe1st | Close enough, though |
| 10:16.05 | Spookje | well good luck with the replacement.. I'd offer tips if I had any :P |
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| 10:16.25 | RobbieThe1st | :P |
| 10:16.51 | Spookje | my n900 is now about a month old, so no need for disassembling yet |
| 10:17.49 | daxt_ | there is a power kernel , have u installed it yet ? |
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| 10:18.06 | Spookje | nope haven't seen any need to yet |
| 10:19.10 | daxt_ | Robbie what happened to the screen man ? |
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| 10:21.17 | RobbieThe1st | [02:03:00] <RobbieThe1st> It was inside a soft case at the time, and I think something(spare battery corner? USB cable-connector? bit of gum? ) got jammed against it |
| 10:21.17 | RobbieThe1st | [02:03:12] <RobbieThe1st> odd thing is, the digitizer is perfectly fine |
| 10:21.41 | Spookje | I have a TV like that btw, it's very decorative :P |
| 10:22.22 | RobbieThe1st | This is only the -second- LCD I've ever had cracked; last was in a laptop many years ago my brother kicked in the screen. |
| 10:22.34 | daxt_ | Robbie ru going to replace the LCD ? |
| 10:22.36 | kerio | tmux is much better |
| 10:22.37 | RobbieThe1st | Yup |
| 10:22.42 | daxt_ | good luck |
| 10:22.43 | RobbieThe1st | See above |
| 10:22.56 | kerio | RobbieThe1st: are you an EE? |
| 10:23.10 | RobbieThe1st | No, but I've taken a couple of courses |
| 10:24.39 | RobbieThe1st | And I've disassembled more than my share of equipment. I even disassembled(and -reassembled- a 17" desktop LCD(I mean the module itself!) |
| 10:24.39 | daxt_ | any clues on what will be the successor of N900 ? |
| 10:24.57 | RobbieThe1st | Nope; there's some codename, but nothing concrete |
| 10:25.29 | RobbieThe1st | I don't care, personally - My OC'd n900 with tweaked settings is plenty fast for me |
| 10:25.38 | daxt_ | How many of you keep only the N900 with you and nothing else ? |
| 10:25.44 | RobbieThe1st | raises hand |
| 10:25.50 | Spookje | too |
| 10:26.00 | Spookje | well ok, the work phone.. |
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| 10:26.42 | Spookje | I've actually been looking around for a cheap secondhand one to fiddle around with.. |
| 10:27.00 | daxt_ | i also shud get a 2nd hand N900 |
| 10:27.01 | Spookje | keep one for using, one for anything else :P |
| 10:27.03 | daxt_ | who is selling one ? |
| 10:27.08 | RobbieThe1st | I'd like one cheap too! :P |
| 10:27.19 | Spookje | prolly everyone in here :P |
| 10:27.19 | RobbieThe1st | But I don't have the ~250-300 I'd need |
| 10:27.42 | daxt_ | Nokia must be keeping some N900 reserves |
| 10:27.47 | daxt_ | lets wikileak them |
| 10:27.50 | daxt_ | :D |
| 10:28.04 | Venemo_N900 | I could use another N900 for development, yes |
| 10:28.44 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, what I -really- want is a N900 prototype model. I've seen one YT video of one, and I'd love to play with one |
| 10:28.53 | delphi | in my country its arround 600 eur, far too much for me to pay to have a spare one :) |
| 10:28.58 | Venemo_N900 | wh |
| 10:29.01 | Spookje | ouch.. |
| 10:29.05 | Appiah | but the price has dropped |
| 10:29.06 | Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: what for? |
| 10:29.10 | daxt_ | anybody selling the N900 u have ? |
| 10:29.13 | Spookje | secondhand here is about 200 euro's |
| 10:29.38 | Appiah | delphi: cant you get it for about 400eur nowdays? |
| 10:29.41 | RobbieThe1st | Venemo_N900: Cause it just looks cool, and being able to say I have a prototype would be awesome. |
| 10:29.47 | kerio | RobbieThe1st: hell no you don't |
| 10:29.48 | kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HkeNzviga8g |
| 10:29.49 | delphi | Appiah here, no. |
| 10:29.54 | Appiah | delphi: where are you? |
| 10:29.58 | delphi | Serbia |
| 10:30.04 | delphi | dont know about second hand tho |
| 10:30.16 | delphi | but second hand here means stolen and locked.. |
| 10:30.18 | delphi | :/ |
| 10:30.22 | RobbieThe1st | I saw that video. It's cool |
| 10:30.27 | Appiah | no n900 is locked |
| 10:30.45 | Venemo_N900 | it may be locked |
| 10:30.46 | daxt_ | in my country i guess there are only less than 100 N900s are available |
| 10:30.47 | daxt_ | :D |
| 10:31.00 | RobbieThe1st | Import from elsewhere? |
| 10:31.04 | Venemo_N900 | daxt_: where is that? |
| 10:31.11 | delphi | how come? operators lock the phones so you can only use their sims.. |
| 10:31.16 | daxt_ | Venemo - Sri Lanka :D |
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| 10:31.36 | delphi | import would cost alot of money |
| 10:31.43 | delphi | as we are not in EU |
| 10:32.42 | daxt_ | how many of u have overclocked ur N900 ? |
| 10:32.49 | thresh | me |
| 10:32.54 | Venemo_N900 | delphi: I thought Serbia is in the EU, hm. |
| 10:33.04 | jacekowski | daxt_: some, and some overclocked n900 failed |
| 10:33.07 | delphi | anyways, i got my new one for arround 200 eur from Telenor |
| 10:33.13 | delphi | Venemo_N900 not yet |
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| 10:33.23 | Venemo_N900 | that's nice |
| 10:33.24 | daxt_ | jace what was the reasons to fail ? |
| 10:33.27 | delphi | in a few years maybe |
| 10:33.31 | jacekowski | overclocking |
| 10:33.59 | RobbieThe1st | I did a custom-oc; nice comfortable voltages at each setting. I have it at 250-950 normally, and can run it stabily at up to 1150 |
| 10:33.59 | jacekowski | higher frequency == higher currents == more wear |
| 10:34.15 | jacekowski | and then you add additional heat produced |
| 10:34.25 | jacekowski | that adds more wear to it as wel |
| 10:34.26 | jacekowski | well* |
| 10:34.38 | RobbieThe1st | True, but remember that this chip-design is designed to go up to 1000mhz |
| 10:34.43 | jacekowski | no it's not |
| 10:34.44 | Venemo_N900 | delphi: well then I was mistaken |
| 10:34.53 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: that's bullshit |
| 10:34.56 | delphi | Venemo_N900 btw, maybe you misunderstood me, by EU i mean European Union, not Europe (it is in Europe) :) |
| 10:35.02 | RobbieThe1st | Ours may be rated for 500-600, but they make the same basic design up to 1ghz |
| 10:35.04 | jacekowski | it's designed to run at 600MHz max |
| 10:35.14 | Venemo_N900 | delphi: yes, I also meant the Union. |
| 10:35.17 | jacekowski | silicon design yes |
| 10:35.23 | Venemo_N900 | delphi: :) |
| 10:35.24 | jacekowski | but manufacturing process isn't |
| 10:35.27 | delphi | :)) |
| 10:35.31 | jacekowski | silicon is different in faster version |
| 10:35.37 | daxt_ | is it possible for N900 to tune into UHF ? |
| 10:35.41 | RobbieThe1st | Are you sure about that? |
| 10:35.45 | jacekowski | yes |
| 10:35.51 | RobbieThe1st | And not just different binning? |
| 10:35.55 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:36.07 | jacekowski | that's why you can run it at higher frequency |
| 10:36.14 | jacekowski | but it's not going to last very long |
| 10:36.31 | daxt_ | guys can N900 tune into TV Channels ? |
| 10:36.37 | jacekowski | ti has some docs on that subject |
| 10:36.37 | RobbieThe1st | I'll start worrying when loads of n900s start dying |
| 10:36.38 | jacekowski | daxt_: no |
| 10:36.43 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: they do |
| 10:36.57 | delphi | daxt_ maybe via usb TV card |
| 10:37.03 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: ussualy not die completly |
| 10:37.11 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: but they start doing strange thing |
| 10:37.12 | RobbieThe1st | Nah; I haven't seen them. I have seen people over-oc and get it unstable at said frequenc |
| 10:37.14 | daxt_ | hmm |
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| 10:37.24 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: read logs of this channel |
| 10:37.26 | Venemo_N900 | well the N900's default speed is fast enough for me |
| 10:37.48 | delphi | yeah, n900 speed is fine |
| 10:38.08 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: just if it starts working unstable even on normal frequencies, don't blame nokia |
| 10:38.13 | delphi | i never oc'd mine.. |
| 10:38.15 | RobbieThe1st | Possible. Either way, mine's doing fine as it is, and while it -may- die sooner than it would otherwise, I'm much happier at it's performance |
| 10:38.41 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, I've always assumed I had no warranty, getting it used and all |
| 10:39.17 | RobbieThe1st | and considering I'm running quite a bit from devel(including my own stuff)... Yea. I'm a big boy and will take care of myself |
| 10:39.29 | RobbieThe1st | No need to whine at someone else if things don't work right |
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| 10:40.31 | Venemo_N900 | hehe, yeah |
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| 10:47.55 | Flyser__ | Hi, the microUSB connector of my n900 is becoming loose. What is Nokias standpoint on this? Will they fix this with warranty? |
| 10:48.25 | kerio92 | Flyser__: yup |
| 10:48.30 | kerio92 | common problem, they got some heat from the customers |
| 10:49.04 | Flyser__ | will they repair it or replace the whole device? |
| 10:49.09 | Venemo_N900 | Flyser__: yes, they will |
| 10:49.24 | Flyser__ | at least some good news :) |
| 10:49.35 | Venemo_N900 | Flyser__: dunno, probably they'll repair if they can |
| 10:50.54 | Flyser__ | well. it will come off sooner or later again if they just repair it |
| 10:51.27 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:51.38 | Venemo_N900 | not necessarily |
| 10:51.52 | RobbieThe1st | Did they improve it? |
| 10:52.01 | Venemo_N900 | I plug my usb in and out >10 times a day and it works fine |
| 10:52.50 | Flyser__ | RobbieThe1st: well. *maybe* they dont use surface mounted connectors in recent versions ... |
| 10:53.13 | RobbieThe1st | I... don't think so. I suspect we'd hear of it by now if they did |
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| 10:59.55 | Flyser__ | too bad ... |
| 11:00.25 | Flyser__ | well. maybe I get a new n900. mine has some other flaws. it would be cool, if they would go away too ;) |
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| 11:04.01 | Venemo_N900 | Flyser__: what flaws are them? |
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| 11:07.08 | Flyser__ | Venemo_N900: it fell down a few times, so the metal frame of the display is a bit dented ;) |
| 11:07.28 | Flyser__ | it was my fault. so I don't expect nokia to fix this ;) |
| 11:07.50 | Venemo_N900 | heh |
| 11:08.10 | Venemo_N900 | well I once dropped my device badly, and it began malfunctioning |
| 11:08.14 | Flyser__ | I am also starting to see a brighter spot on the display |
| 11:08.49 | Venemo_N900 | I took it to a repai centre but "forgot" to mention that I dropped it. they replaced it with a new one |
| 11:08.54 | Venemo_N900 | :D |
| 11:09.19 | Flyser__ | ^^ |
| 11:10.06 | Flyser__ | I also think, that my headset or the headset port of my n900 is broken |
| 11:10.19 | Flyser__ | it does not detect if the original nokia headset is plugged in |
| 11:10.38 | Flyser__ | but the headset works in my notebook and other headphones work in my n900 |
| 11:10.44 | Flyser__ | so this is a slightly weird bug^^ |
| 11:11.45 | Flyser__ | s/in/with/ ;) |
| 11:12.41 | Venemo_N900 | interesting |
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| 11:17.38 | yacc | Anyway to capture the commands sent to pnatd via bluetooth DUN? |
| 11:19.41 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 11:19.48 | timeless_mbp | my maemo sdk machine is now running LTS |
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| 11:23.36 | Venemo_N900 | LTS=? |
| 11:24.29 | timeless_mbp | ~lts |
| 11:24.29 | apt | i guess lts is Leaning Toothpick Syndrome. |
| 11:24.36 | timeless_mbp | grr |
| 11:24.41 | timeless_mbp | long term support |
| 11:25.02 | Venemo_N900 | thx |
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| 12:00.44 | RST38h | Hohoho: http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/29/nokia-tablet-android-3/ |
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| 12:02.35 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: if this is true, the guys at Nokia became total nuts |
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| 13:27.22 | Flyser__ | Hi, Is it possible to find out the serial number of a nokia n900 by software (i.e. without looking under the battery) |
| 13:27.49 | Venemo_N900 | good question |
| 13:28.05 | Noma | you mean the IMEI code? |
| 13:28.23 | tank-man | if there was, It would have been nice to do a one click to download the firmware |
| 13:28.23 | Flyser__ | no. the number I have to enter here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 13:28.41 | Noma | so the IMEI number :p |
| 13:28.44 | Noma | *#06# in phone application |
| 13:28.53 | Venemo_N900 | Flyser__: you can find out mac addresses with ifconfig, but I dunno about imei |
| 13:28.59 | Flyser__ | oh. didn't know it was the IMEI ;) |
| 13:29.03 | Venemo_N900 | Noma: right! thanks |
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| 13:29.42 | SpeedEvil | Also - settings -> about product |
| 13:30.09 | Flyser__ | thanks. that worked^^ |
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| 13:32.23 | Flyser__ | are there any bootloader images available? |
| 13:33.40 | Venemo_N900 | I think the PR also flashes the bootloader but you'll need someone more knowledgeable than me for that, like DocScrutinizer |
| 13:34.44 | Flyser__ | the reason is, that I installed nitdroid and want to remove it completly |
| 13:34.54 | Flyser__ | completely |
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| 13:35.51 | Venemo_N900 | understandable |
| 13:35.55 | Termana | Flyser__, bootmenu has nothing to do with flashing the bootloader |
| 13:36.21 | Flyser__ | Termana: no? |
| 13:36.25 | Termana | Flyser__, you need to uninstall all the packages NITdroid installed in Maemo |
| 13:36.40 | Termana | Flyser__, no. |
| 13:36.46 | Termana | NOLO is signed |
| 13:36.55 | Flyser__ | how does it work then? |
| 13:36.58 | Termana | NITdroid couldn't touch it if they wanted to |
| 13:37.19 | Termana | Either they are using bootmenu or u-boot chain loading |
| 13:37.49 | Termana | If it's the first, it's just a Maemo executable that gets booted to by default, if it's the second you need to reflash your kernel |
| 13:37.53 | Flyser__ | and what part of the system do I have to reflash to reset it to factory default |
| 13:38.06 | Flyser__ | ok |
| 13:38.26 | Flyser__ | where can I find a kernel image? |
| 13:38.37 | Termana | To get rid of bootmenu it is a package that you need to install, if it's u-boot you need to flash the kernel |
| 13:38.57 | Termana | Flyser__, in the COMBINED image available on tablets-dev |
| 13:39.01 | Termana | ~flashing |
| 13:39.01 | apt | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:39.20 | Venemo_N900 | Flyser__: the combined pr contains the kernel, rootfs, and other things |
| 13:39.46 | Flyser__ | ahhh, I thought it contains just the rootfs |
| 13:39.48 | Flyser__ | thanks :) |
| 13:40.00 | Venemo_N900 | yw |
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| 13:59.10 | alterego | watches shutter island. |
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| 14:45.50 | Lantizia | Hey is there a way of minimizing a video while it's playing (like the promotional video that comes on the N900 demonstrates) |
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| 14:46.16 | alterego | Lantizia: it automatically pauses. |
| 14:46.31 | lardman | 'allo 'allo |
| 14:46.38 | Lantizia | alterego, watch the video again |
| 14:46.39 | alterego | Hey lardman :) |
| 14:46.40 | pupnik | irony! http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/attachments/1649_Sec-T_2010_Julia_Wolf_final.pdf |
| 14:46.44 | lardman | hi alterego |
| 14:46.49 | Lantizia | you'll see they press near the top left while the video is playing |
| 14:46.57 | Lantizia | and it allows them access to the 6 box menu icon |
| 14:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | Lantizia: what minimizing? |
| 14:47.07 | lardman | alterego: is columbus your app? |
| 14:47.14 | Lantizia | thus when you look at the multitask screen you can see the video still playing |
| 14:47.16 | alterego | lardman: yeaah |
| 14:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 14:48.01 | alterego | Lantizia: well, don't believe in everything you see on TV? :P |
| 14:48.18 | Lantizia | well tbh I noticed this on day one well over 12 months ago |
| 14:48.27 | Lantizia | but i just figured by now this functionality would have appeared |
| 14:48.38 | alterego | There are lots of things wrong with that video tbh |
| 14:48.52 | alterego | Like the Portrait to landscape transition when the incoming call comes. |
| 14:48.54 | Lantizia | any ideas why they changed the music it uses too? |
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| 14:49.20 | Lantizia | the revised eMMC changes it |
| 14:49.26 | lardman | alterego: do you have the code online? I'd like to look at how you render the compass |
| 14:50.03 | alterego | lardman: well, you can pick up the source code from extras-devel |
| 14:50.10 | alterego | I've not yet stuck it into gitorious |
| 14:50.21 | lardman | ok cool |
| 14:53.00 | alterego | You want libcolumbus btw |
| 14:53.03 | alterego | Oh wait. |
| 14:53.09 | alterego | No you want just columbus :D |
| 14:53.15 | lardman | got it, thanks |
| 14:53.19 | alterego | src/ui/widgets/ |
| 14:53.23 | lardman | cool |
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| 14:54.50 | lardman | so can you scroll the compass or is it just a display widget? |
| 14:55.07 | alterego | How do you mean scroll? |
| 14:55.40 | lardman | well I've been writing an augmented reality app, but lacking a compass I plan on using a compass widget to allow the user to align the display |
| 14:56.01 | lardman | so I was thinking that the user should be able to scroll the compass from side to side to change the direction |
| 14:56.30 | alterego | Yeah, I was thinking of doing something similar in my app for setting a target bearing. |
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| 14:58.26 | lardman | In retrospect I think that rather than a complete widget, I should render something like your compass slider at the bottom of my QGLWidget which also shows the camera |
| 14:58.32 | alterego | But no, it's not scrollable :) |
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| 14:58.49 | lardman | then it can be selected in code if there's no hw e-compass present |
| 14:58.57 | alterego | Cool |
| 14:59.01 | lardman | alterego: np, the draw code will be useful, thanks :) |
| 14:59.07 | alterego | :) |
| 14:59.21 | alterego | I've yet to optimize that tbh |
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| 14:59.40 | alterego | I was planning on improving it a little. |
| 14:59.56 | alterego | Actually, you can implement draggability to it quite easy. |
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| 15:00.08 | lardman | yes, I guess using a mouse move event |
| 15:00.40 | alterego | Just process move events and set X difference to +/- heading() and use setHeading() |
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| 15:01.09 | lardman | the widget needs to know how many degrees are displayed across the width |
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| 15:02.42 | lardman | and for me that will depend on the angular field of view of the camera |
| 15:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: hahaha :-P |
| 15:02.55 | lardman | which I must get round to measuring :) |
| 15:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: not really an 'interactive' presentation |
| 15:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: or maybe it was and I didn't notice what it did to my system :-o |
| 15:04.22 | pupnik | one really should sandbox all browsing |
| 15:04.41 | pupnik | or throw your hands in the air (like you just don't care) |
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| 15:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, at very least all my boxes need the ROOT pw for sudo |
| 15:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/boxes/systems |
| 15:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | (yes! incl N900) |
| 15:10.59 | alterego | Kind of defaults the point in sudo doesn't it? |
| 15:11.04 | alterego | ~defeats .. |
| 15:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | not at all |
| 15:11.50 | DocScrutinizer | sudo as in braindamaged buntkuh defeats the purpose of root account |
| 15:12.13 | pupnik | that's what i thought |
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| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | sudo su / sudo gainroot with NO password is as bad and fubar as the same with querying user password |
| 15:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | you are free to visit my tools wikipage for a 2-liner to fix that |
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| 15:25.18 | alterego | I juse use ssg tbh |
| 15:25.20 | DocScrutinizer | (so the "bar" part wasn't meant literally :-D ) |
| 15:25.21 | alterego | ~ssh |
| 15:25.21 | apt | it has been said that ssh is http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/OpenSSH and http://www.openssh.org or see ssh-keygen, or see ssh-agent, or a way of telling someone to be quiet |
| 15:25.31 | alterego | alias rootme='ssh root@localhose' |
| 15:25.38 | alterego | ~host |
| 15:25.38 | apt | alterego's host is: 212.110.185.209 |
| 15:25.51 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | that doesn't mean no malware can use sudo su and make you enter your user password |
| 15:27.06 | alterego | My user doesn't have a password |
| 15:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 15:27.07 | apt | thanks, DocScrutinizer |
| 15:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | even better |
| 15:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | so I gather sudo gainroot works without any password |
| 15:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | malware's wet dreams |
| 15:29.34 | alterego | I don't have gainroot |
| 15:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | I burp |
| 15:30.36 | pexi | is 'root' alias for sudo gainroot? |
| 15:33.21 | DocScrutinizer | mostly |
| 15:33.57 | BCMM | pexi: cat $(which root) |
| 15:34.07 | BCMM | exec sudo gainroot --use-su |
| 15:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you're aware a virus could bring his own rootsh.deb and install it without you noticing? |
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| 15:34.18 | BCMM | too many layers of stuff which exist only to run stuff for my tastes... |
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| 15:35.15 | pexi | so yes it is |
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| 15:35.29 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: if such a virus existed, yes. |
| 15:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | now that's the most lame placation I ever heard every day |
| 15:38.14 | DocScrutinizer | not "security by obscurity", no, a mere "security by >>doesn't exist yet<<" haha |
| 15:38.28 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 15:38.28 | apt | thanks, Venemo |
| 15:38.34 | Venemo | apt is the new infobot? |
| 15:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | infobot thought she's wearing her secont name this week |
| 15:39.03 | DocScrutinizer | second* |
| 15:39.15 | Venemo | so she stole the name from apt, |
| 15:39.16 | Venemo | ? |
| 15:39.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict apt |
| 15:40.30 | Venemo | apt = advanced package tool :) afaik :) |
| 15:40.56 | DocScrutinizer | another pissing TLA |
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| 15:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~info apt |
| 15:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~info dpkg |
| 15:43.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~apt |
| 15:43.51 | apt | methinks apt is a pu'ssy licker |
| 15:44.07 | Venemo | lol |
| 15:44.09 | Venemo | ~info rpm |
| 15:44.19 | Venemo | heh! |
| 15:44.28 | Venemo | she is clever |
| 15:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | she's apt |
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| 15:44.59 | Venemo | why is she renamed from infobot to apt? |
| 15:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | some flaw or ooopsie @ TimRiker |
| 15:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | infobot got lobotomized some 3 days ago |
| 15:46.15 | Venemo | oh. |
| 15:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | not entirely clear as apt and infobot are same instance of process afaik |
| 15:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~uptime |
| 15:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~+uptime |
| 15:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | next restart of ibot at latest will make infobot personality resurrect |
| 15:49.22 | Venemo | ok |
| 15:49.46 | luke-jr | did kexec ever get fixed? |
| 15:50.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's puzzling me how all infobot identities can break away while ibot keeps running the personalities apt |
| 15:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | looks to me like freenode stuff klined or globalkicked infobot |
| 15:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | or staff even |
| 15:51.25 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 15:51.25 | Venemo | maybe you guys should contact the staff at #freenode and tell them that infobot is harmless |
| 15:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | NB a ~chaninfo shows ibot is thinking it has joined all the channels that know her as infobot, though evidently she's missing in all those channels |
| 15:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I did that 2 days ago |
| 15:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: they deny any responsibility |
| 15:53.12 | SpeedEvil | have you hit the bot with strace as it boots, to see if it is trying to join? |
| 15:53.23 | Venemo | couldn't you just ask them to unban it? |
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| 15:53.45 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I dunno what Tim is doing. I'm sure he has better means to trace ibot |
| 15:54.01 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 15:54.12 | alterego | I keep forgetting how awful QTableView's are next. |
| 15:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | interesting detail: tim vanished from irc same time as infobot |
| 15:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen timriker |
| 15:54.57 | apt | timriker <~timr@bzflag/projectlead/TimRiker> was last seen on IRC in channel #infobot, 2d 13h 55s ago, saying: 'yw'. |
| 15:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | I got NFC what's going on really |
| 15:57.05 | Venemo | interesting |
| 15:57.47 | alterego | is starting to feel hungry |
| 15:58.02 | SpeedEvil | feeds alterego carrots. |
| 15:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | what I know however is you can trick ibot to join a channel twice: as apt *and* infobot. That's not a nice thing to watch |
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| 16:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | so if and when ever infobot shows up here, any chanop is suggested to immediately /kick apt |
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| 16:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | ok, for some funny tests |
| 16:03.11 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing freenode rejected the join as flood throttling during a split perhaps, and infobot's irc stack doesn't realize it |
| 16:03.28 | ShadowJK | I'd try telling infobot to leave the channel,then tell it to join |
| 16:03.49 | ShadowJK | requires some better than normal user privs with it though |
| 16:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: something along that line, yes |
| 16:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: the problem is: infobot is not logged in |
| 16:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: so I can't tell infobot to join #maemo |
| 16:05.37 | DocScrutinizer | and I have no privileges to tell apt to change nick :-P |
| 16:06.30 | DocScrutinizer | I have 'privileges' to completely tear down ibot, so it would reboot/restart. I'm reluctant to do this |
| 16:07.27 | DocScrutinizer | even that would restart the frontend only, but not the mysql database |
| 16:07.53 | DocScrutinizer | if there's a problem in mysql then thw whole 4h of restart wouldn't help |
| 16:08.07 | xkr47 | hi |
| 16:08.43 | xkr47 | how are smses stored on disk? any way I can grep them for some content? or perhaps an app |
| 16:08.46 | xkr47 | ? |
| 16:08.48 | ShadowJK | When I ran infobot it used bdb :D |
| 16:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | umm, I'm not quite sure |
| 16:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | think it was mysql on Tim's machine |
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| 16:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | well |
| 16:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | apt: botsnack |
| 16:10.38 | apt | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
| 16:10.44 | DocScrutinizer | everything fine |
| 16:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
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| 16:21.52 | jhb | Hi *, does anybody know a way to permanently enable the reflow in microb (so that I don't have to do ctrl+shift+i). Btw, new to the channel, new to the device :-) |
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| 16:22.42 | Venemo | jhb: welcome to our world :) |
| 16:22.51 | Venemo | jhb: unfortunately I don't know the answer |
| 16:22.58 | jhb | Venemo: thanks for the welcome :-) |
| 16:23.00 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: do you know something about this? |
| 16:23.20 | timeless_mbp | on phone |
| 16:23.34 | timeless_mbp | jhb: iirc there's no pref for it |
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| 16:24.03 | jhb | timeless_mbp: too bad, would have been nice |
| 16:24.14 | jhb | but thx |
| 16:26.06 | luke-jr | does fcam still require custom kernel modules with PR1.3? |
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| 16:29.57 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, why wouldn't it? |
| 16:30.11 | luke-jr | just thought maybe they merged it into their kernel |
| 16:30.22 | luke-jr | like I did for Gentoo |
| 16:30.31 | MohammadAG | nope, they caused some more conflicts, but they work now |
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| 16:31.28 | luke-jr | -.- |
| 16:34.04 | luke-jr | kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5 is PR1.3? |
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| 16:38.13 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: what conflicts? |
| 16:38.20 | luke-jr | my fcam patch for PR1.2 applies cleanly |
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| 16:38.40 | MohammadAG | when the patches for 1.3 were added into kernel-power some problems happened |
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| 16:41.25 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4oB28ksiIo Defcon 18 Pwned By the owner - What happens when you steal a hackers computer |
| 16:42.50 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: what's that got to do with fcam? |
| 16:43.15 | MohammadAG | it doesn't, 1.3 had new cam patches |
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| 16:44.24 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 16:46.13 | RST38h | "In That Rabbit Game from Thomas Perl you are a kleptomanic rabbit head with wings." |
| 16:46.26 | RST38h | thp! what have you been smoking?!? |
| 16:47.11 | RST38h | Can I have some? =) |
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| 17:15.55 | timeless_xchat | lantizia: you might be able to use the browser with youtube minimized |
| 17:16.45 | timeless_xchat | lantizia, iirc the functionality was *removed* from media player to "improve" battery life |
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| 17:18.19 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way - an official way - to get it to play video with the screen locked? |
| 17:18.30 | SpeedEvil | I want to listen to TV programs sometimes |
| 17:18.33 | SpeedEvil | media player |
| 17:19.08 | SpeedEvil | I've exploited the silly 'incoming message sound unpauses player' before |
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| 17:22.08 | alterego | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-12070732 |
| 17:22.14 | alterego | Awww :) |
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| 17:25.18 | timeless_xchat | speedevil, hrm, doubtful |
| 17:25.28 | timeless_xchat | you can suppress lock and stuff |
| 17:25.51 | timeless_xchat | i actually gave the tv as radio argument when they insisted on breaking the feature |
| 17:26.20 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 17:26.40 | timeless_xchat | sorry, i tried |
| 17:26.46 | SpeedEvil | Smart software that can't be overridden is so annoying. |
| 17:26.57 | SpeedEvil | yeah - one voice of sanity has problems thogh. |
| 17:26.58 | timeless_xchat | generally, i think that stuff can be done from browser |
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| 17:27.33 | SpeedEvil | I mean recorded programs |
| 17:27.42 | SpeedEvil | I use get_iuplayer to get all my media |
| 17:29.58 | timeless_xchat | try mohammadag's media player? |
| 17:30.17 | timeless_xchat | pokes sivang |
| 17:30.31 | SpeedEvil | I just use mplayer - which works OK |
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| 17:36.38 | Guest77484 | protip: don't hold shift when pressing left volume key in xchat |
| 17:37.29 | satmd | will it crash? |
| 17:38.31 | Guest77484 | yes |
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| 17:40.02 | satmd | :/ |
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| 17:47.12 | Guest26074 | Hi, I have searched the web and the wiki and have been unable to find newbie instructions to sync the N900 PIM to Linux without using a 3rd party like GoogleCalender. Could someone offer a pointer or two? |
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| 17:49.32 | satmd | syncevolution |
| 17:49.51 | satmd | but... it involves some work |
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| 17:50.44 | Guest26074 | I did look there and that seems to be what I will probably use but the instructions are a bit lacking. Like do I install SyncEvo on the phone or the PC or both? |
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| 17:51.58 | Guest26074 | Good to know that I am looking at the correct application though :D |
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| 17:54.25 | lolcat^ | How can I run spotify on the maemo device with offline? |
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| 18:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | Guest26074: known "feature" :-D |
| 18:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | err, Guest77484 |
| 18:06.49 | Guest26074 | Any suggestions for the best forum to ask? |
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| 18:07.52 | Guest26074 | I want to advocate for the n900, maemo, etc., but the WAF not as good as I need. |
| 18:08.13 | alterego | wonders what movie to watch now. |
| 18:09.13 | Guest26074 | thinks that the Internet needs better searching tools. |
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| 18:16.17 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Bring It On |
| 18:16.53 | alterego | Lame :P |
| 18:17.39 | alterego | Hrm, |
| 18:18.28 | alterego | Think I'll just make some pasta and see what's on the box |
| 18:19.15 | SpeedEvil | imagines movie crossovers. |
| 18:19.22 | SpeedEvil | Leon+Hackers |
| 18:20.48 | pupnik | alterego: try to find this stuff for your pasta... http://www.wretch.cc/blog/bajenny/8202799 |
| 18:20.53 | pupnik | "Dimensional Force Bean Paste" |
| 18:22.25 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/caffeine/wacky-edibles/e5a7/ adds to any sauce |
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| 18:23.35 | Guest26074 | How about http://www.jdfoods.net/products/baconsalt.php ? |
| 18:24.00 | satmd | bacon |
| 18:24.02 | kerio | BACON! |
| 18:26.40 | Guest26074 | So, it looks like the SyncEvolution mailing list is probably the best bet to find newbie instructions. |
| 18:27.56 | alterego | Damnit, ran out of pasta. |
| 18:28.00 | alterego | cooks rice instead. |
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| 18:33.45 | GAN900 | Better for you anyway. |
| 18:33.50 | GAN900 | Brown rice. |
| 18:34.03 | RST38h | With ants! |
| 18:34.30 | GAN900 | Protein! |
| 18:34.47 | RST38h | [FAITH (noun) - Feeling that makes you eat brown rice without checking if it moves] |
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| 18:41.09 | pupnik | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPcF66cOLFU Bungee Jumping Russian Style |
| 18:41.49 | GAN900 | RST38h, mine usually comes out of the cooker. |
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| 18:42.53 | RST38h | pupnik: Looks painful. And I seem to recognize this particular ruin. |
| 18:44.08 | pupnik | http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ideas/articles/2009/12/06/the_mystery_of_zomia/ "In the lawless mountain realms of Asia, a Yale professor finds a case against civilization" (beautiful pic!) |
| 18:46.17 | RST38h | GAN: ok, s/rice/raspberry jam =) |
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| 19:03.07 | alterego | Hrm, 300 is on tonight, not seen it yet. |
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| 19:05.10 | SpeedEvil | imagines a film with 42.8 Bonds. |
| 19:05.36 | alterego | Heh |
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| 19:16.10 | GeneralAntilles | and too much slomo |
| 19:17.43 | luke-jr | why is gitorious so freaking slow today? |
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| 19:20.32 | alterego | Better being slow than offline like it was the other day :P |
| 19:20.43 | rcg | any info about https://vcs.maemo.org:443 certificate being expired? |
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| 19:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably the certificate expired ;-D |
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| 19:51.15 | rcg | yep |
| 19:51.19 | rcg | it did |
| 19:51.33 | rcg | but any info whether this is a known issue and we get a new one? |
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| 20:19.53 | thp | RST38h: why oh why? ;) |
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| 21:37.10 | JZA | hi anyone know whats the deal with the virtual images for maemo sdk |
| 21:37.14 | JZA | http://maemovmware.garage.maemo.org/2nd_edition/documentation.html |
| 21:37.28 | JZA | I dont see the big difference from the description on server and desktop |
| 21:39.31 | JZA | anyone? |
| 21:41.02 | alterego | JZA: if you read it carefully you'll see that it's "Ubuntu Server" and "Ubuntu Desktop" so maybe you should look at the differences between them ;) |
| 21:41.09 | alterego | As they're the OS template ... |
| 21:41.52 | JZA | alterego: well I read and didnt really tell me much..... only thing I got is non-linux |
| 21:42.21 | alterego | It says plenty. |
| 21:42.30 | JZA | # Virtual image with Ubuntu Server Intrepid installed - used as sandbox for building C/C++ applications and also other utilities for non-Linux host operation systems. It is used for ESbox Eclipse-based product to provide non-Linux host system programming for Maemo platform. |
| 21:42.30 | JZA | # Virtual image with Ubuntu Desktop Intrepid installed - the same as previous one, but for non-Linux system usage |
| 21:42.54 | JZA | is it me or both are for non-linux system |
| 21:43.04 | alterego | That's because they're VMs .. |
| 21:43.59 | alterego | Because you can't install scratchbox on Windows or OS X |
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| 22:04.09 | Jaffa | gives up with the long-running troll on #meego and goes to bed instead. |
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| 22:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | heh, troll? |
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| 22:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | meh, boring |
| 22:21.16 | DocScrutinizer | also it's quite paradox if the developer err maintainer of N900-uBoot is trolling. Well he's obviously not good at it |
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| 22:21.59 | MohammadAG | *cough* Matan *cough* |
| 22:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | errr, ali1234? |
| 22:22.26 | MohammadAG | no, he's not Matan |
| 22:22.34 | MohammadAG | I'm just saying, good devs can troll |
| 22:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 22:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | heads out for coffee & popcorn, then tries again to find the thrill in #meego |
| 22:23.43 | alterego | OhOh, now this is stragnge. |
| 22:24.13 | alterego | Think I might need to reflash my N900 .. |
| 22:25.05 | Venemo | alterego: why is that? |
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| 22:25.40 | alterego | Well, I removed my current development version of Columbus, because for some reason location services are now not starting when you run it as user. |
| 22:25.54 | alterego | But they seem to start fine when working from qt creater as develoer. |
| 22:26.03 | Venemo | maybe some privilege issue |
| 22:26.12 | alterego | I noticed someone complained of the same issue in my announce thread. |
| 22:26.26 | alterego | So I've now reverted to the columbus that was previously working and uploaded to extras-devel |
| 22:26.30 | alterego | It doesn't work either. |
| 22:27.12 | alterego | Something veryu wrong :/ |
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| 22:35.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: looking at matan and querty, I'm quite happy with just getting called grumpy :-D |
| 22:36.13 | MohammadAG | matan's a troll |
| 22:36.25 | MohammadAG | qwerty12 was an excellent dev, he just got pissed at tmo |
| 22:36.29 | MohammadAG | and frankly, who doesn't :P |
| 22:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | aaawww tmo is such a nice place :-P |
| 22:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | you'll never mind that lil bit of contagious idiocy |
| 22:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | hands MohammadAG a handful of salted almonds |
| 22:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | ...or do you prefer cashews? |
| 22:45.17 | MohammadAG | popcorn |
| 22:45.23 | DocScrutinizer | choclate with hazelnut? |
| 22:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | sorry no more popcorn |
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| 22:45.35 | MohammadAG | eww, I hate chocolate |
| 22:45.46 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 22:45.52 | Venemo | ouch. |
| 22:46.22 | MohammadAG | that was close |
| 22:46.34 | MohammadAG | almost uploaded an X86 source of hildon-status-menu to the SSU |
| 22:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:47.13 | Venemo | I don't get it. seriously, who uses autotools? |
| 22:48.01 | DocScrutinizer | you'd think the buildhost or whatver might incorporate sime file command? |
| 22:48.11 | DocScrutinizer | some* |
| 22:49.36 | MohammadAG | autotools are kinda retarded tbh |
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| 22:49.40 | MohammadAG | qmake > them |
| 22:49.44 | MohammadAG | although it does the same thing |
| 22:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | file $1 | grep 'ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV)' && mv /to/repo || echo "dumbass!" |
| 22:53.23 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: ping |
| 22:55.54 | epp | is there a meta package with alot of the "usual" codecs like mkv, etc. |
| 22:57.34 | MohammadAG | decoders-support |
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| 23:05.19 | epp | ty |
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| 23:37.19 | epp | whats the latest firmware for n900? |
| 23:41.04 | DocScrutinizer | pr1.3 aka sth with *32* |
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| 23:47.13 | epp | mine says |
| 23:47.23 | epp | 10.2010.19-1.002 |
| 23:49.05 | MohammadAG | 20.2010.36-2 |
| 23:49.13 | MohammadAG | is PR1.3 |
| 23:49.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, *3*2* :P |
| 23:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | ok, *36* :-) |
| 23:50.30 | DocScrutinizer | at least not *19* |
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| 23:56.47 | epp | haha ye |
| 23:56.53 | epp | so should i upgrade? |
| 23:56.55 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: pong? |
| 23:58.57 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: I know you probably didn't work on this particular component, but do you know why is it that Fremantle's clutter has features that didn't get pushed to upstream? |
| 23:59.14 | timeless_mbp | chuckles |
| 23:59.22 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: this makes building any of the stuff in a non-Maemo environment a pain |
| 23:59.29 | timeless_mbp | clutter's engineering team was bought by intel |
| 23:59.50 | timeless_mbp | which ended the collaboration and uses :) |
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