IRC log for #maemo on 20101228

00:00.01lolloorotation portrait mode.
00:00.08lolloofor all apps on N900
00:00.11DocScrutinizerI know THAT
00:00.15DocScrutinizerbut HOW
00:00.23lolloojust click it
00:00.31DocScrutinizer*burp*
00:00.32lolloosimple
00:00.45lollooamazing u never knew
00:01.00DocScrutinizersorry I expected a developer answer
00:01.18lollooyeah Shortcutd is developed by developer
00:01.25lollooso get it and dont ask.
00:01.36DocScrutinizerlolloo: there's some method called in system, whether it's a dbus call, invocation of xrndr or whatever
00:01.52DocScrutinizerlolloo: you starting to get unpolite
00:01.54lolloono I use shortcutD
00:02.08lollooits cold
00:04.08DocScrutinizerso if it needs any more proof I suck on conversation....
00:04.22DocScrutinizeranyway, get your answer elsewhere then
00:04.26lollooMe too when its cold.
00:04.40zutesmogDocScrutinizer: I don't blame  you!
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00:10.40lollooomg I was looking for one.
00:10.41lolloohttp://www.amazon.co.uk/Beginning-Nokia-Apps-Development-OpenSymbian/dp/1430231777/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1293494691&sr=8-3
00:10.52lolloodoes it apply to N900?
00:11.35alteregoHrm,
00:12.28DocScrutinizerwow, I'm wondering which brilliant answer will take so long to write down
00:12.52lolloosince it's QT I think it applies to N900 maemo5
00:12.55lollooright?
00:13.09DocScrutinizeranyway, I'm off before *I* start to become unpolite
00:13.39lollooP.R1.3 has QT support I think.
00:14.22alteregoWe've had Qt since PR1.2 actually.
00:14.34alteregoWell, before in fact but officially in images in PR1.2
00:14.37lolloooh never knew.
00:14.47lolloostupid me.
00:15.09alteregoAnyway, that book is probably fairly applicable to maemo5 and Qt
00:15.25alteregoBut obviously maemo specific things will be missing
00:15.45lolloommm any books pleeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaase
00:15.55lollooQT specially
00:16.11lollooQT will support new phones too. right?
00:16.23alteregoWell that worked.
00:16.33lollooawesome
00:16.36alteregoTo use mad for packaging you have to use -d to ignore dependencies.
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00:17.11alteregololloo: to be honest, I don't know any decent books for Qt, I learned everything looking at Qt source and reading API docs.
00:17.23lolloothats you.
00:17.29lolloome nooooooooooob
00:17.32alteregoIf you've never programmed before, a book is probably advisable, though not always neccessary
00:17.40pupnikthis npm guy did some cool work with high-level GUI toolkits back in 1990  http://portal.acm.org/citation.cfm?id=121998
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00:18.07lollooI want something future proof, I dont want to waste time.
00:18.16lollooI know C++
00:18.50alteregoIf you know C++ you shouldn't need a book on Qt
00:18.57lolloowow
00:18.58alteregoIt's just a C++ application framework.
00:19.21alteregoThere's the official Qt book, which has a slightly older version online.
00:19.23alteregoFor free
00:19.40lcuki like reading real books sometimes
00:19.43alteregoNewer technologies, well, there's probably a lot more useful information in blogs and examples tbh
00:19.50alteregoSure, I'm just saying.
00:20.26alteregoIf you want something futureproof, don't buy a book on programming in an API that changes quite a lot over time :)
00:20.34lcukblogs and examples are too easy to get sidet ... oh cool, a new comment
00:21.19alteregoHeh
00:21.36lcukif the api changes so drastically with each revision that the fundamentals are not important then there is something wrong.
00:21.43alteregoI really like this mouse I got for Crimbo :)
00:21.51alteregolc
00:22.14alteregoI don't think the fundamentals of Qt are worth a book :)
00:22.28lcukthen the book is not aimed at you
00:22.38lolloowhat books you got lcuk.
00:23.03lcukbeen reading the gruffalo recently
00:23.08alteregoI would recommend the Qt book though, I read the online version, well, some bits of it, and it seems nice.
00:23.09lcukanother few days and I might actually finish it
00:23.22alteregoThe Gruffalo! :D
00:24.14alteregoHrm, note to self, packaging using mad is impossible (I think)
00:24.40alteregoWell, dh_shlibdeps is failing now.
00:24.44lcuklast book I actually sat down and read was {fleet/juggler/destroyer} of worlds series by Larry Niven
00:24.51alteregoI wonder how it gets its' dep list.
00:25.16alteregoIt's found the library but can't tell what package that library comes from.
00:25.23DocScrutinizershakes head about Lennart's appearance @ 27C3
00:26.11DocScrutinizerreminded me at balmer rap
00:26.35loft306ewww
00:26.51alteregoOooo, the button on the side is a "back" button.
00:26.52alteregoNeat.
00:26.59DocScrutinizer"developers developers developers " errr "it's freeeeeeeeee! it's freeeeeeeeeee!!!"
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00:31.45lolloocongrat me. I bought the book
00:32.00DocScrutinizerat least i'm now clear about how PA managed to creap in everywhere
00:32.01alteregoHrm, I'm gonna need to come up with a better development setup now :/
00:32.23alteregoI guess if I could work on integrating Qt Creator better with scratchbox so I get code completion
00:33.21DocScrutinizerprobably Lennart visited the major distro HQ and acted ther the same way he did @ 27C3, until they promised to include PA to next release if only he leaves and never comes back
00:35.44nox-haha
00:35.48pupnikDocScrutinizer: was berlin fun?
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01:11.55npmpupnik: i also used WINTERP to build http://nielsmayer.com/wwweasel/ and http://nielsmayer.com/p93-shepherd.pdf (doing "web" before the web, using email)
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01:16.27alterego"maemo.org (except talk.) down?" 14 posts
01:16.37alteregoI guess maemo really is becoming small.
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01:26.19npmany mention on when it'll be back up?
01:27.06Arkenoiso the flash player 10 from TI is actually even _slower_ than default one?
01:33.48nox-i think it was mentioned here that the default one was optimized by nokia too...
01:34.10jacekowskiyes
01:34.24jacekowskiand it's not real flash 10 as such
01:34.37jacekowskisome things are missing
01:35.22ShadowJKwhat things?
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01:38.29ShadowJKreal features or just "hw accel missing", which was pretty much a given as there was no hw accel in the desktop linux version either.
01:40.14ArkenoiShadowJK, but it is *not* mising in android version, right?
01:41.02ShadowJKeh nfi :)
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02:50.08lucentchecking out the T-Mobile IPv6 Friendly-User-Trial, now. Still setting up N900 and Maemo
02:50.51lucentit's weird that I have to work around the Maemo interface to get it done, hmm... what's a sensible way to add IPv6 DNS?
02:53.36luke-jrlucent: what plan do you use?
02:54.38lucentluke-jr: it's EvenMorePlus500 basic and I've added unlimited net for $10/month
02:55.00luke-jrlucent: you can possibly drop that to $5/mo via retentions dept
02:55.15luke-jrdoesn't want to risk upsetting his $0/mo unlimited data >_<
02:55.20lucentheh, good advice! :)
02:56.08lucenthave you tried the IPv6 trial, then?
02:56.21luke-jrGoogle sez T-Mo does have a $5/mo data plan for "old" customers
02:56.35luke-jrno, since I don't want to risk losing my plan :P
02:56.46luke-jrI'm sure if anyone looked into it, they'd say too bad
02:56.53lucentoh okay, now I understand
02:57.04luke-jrnow if someone else with it has succeeded…. then I'll try :P
02:57.40lucentaccording to the individual who is sheparding the effort, he has direct access to tinker with stuff, but it gets reset if you make changes to your account
02:58.11lucentluke-jr: I won't cover your losses if I'm wrong, but I think that this person is not concerned with how much you're paying
02:58.46luke-jrwell, the beta page does say you need one of their "unlimited" plans. so he might care that I'm on a standard unlimited plan
03:00.02lucentyeah I don't think it would be risky to apply on the form
03:00.16luke-jrI mean that I'm *not* on a standard plan
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03:01.02lucentright, but from a company view, the guy is going to check "can I sign this person up for the FUT or not?" and not worry about your details
03:01.18lucentjust my two cents man, don't mind me :)
03:02.27lucentgiven that /etc/resolv.conf contains a line "nameserver 127.0.0.1", how to make that IPv6 enabled?
03:02.41MohammadAGi think you need kernel-power
03:02.49lucentis it what, dnsmasq or something? will that listen on ::1
03:03.00lucentoh, correct MohammadAG and actually I do have kernel-power :)
03:03.16merlin1991lucent, yes it's dnsmasq
03:03.18MohammadAGjust making sure ;)
03:03.32MohammadAGwants orientation lock
03:03.42lucentI have kernel-power, n900ipv6 goodies from code.google.com/p/n900ipv6
03:03.53lucentha orientation lock
03:04.05MohammadAGit's annoying in photos
03:04.08MohammadAGhmm
03:04.38lucentI want the phone to wake up when I get a call without it lagging on orientation changes and the "ANSWER" button not suddenly shifting around
03:05.16lucentheard of anyone successfully making a hardware button answer the phone when it rings? would work for me if it did
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03:13.22lucentmerlin1991: how to make dnsmasq listen on localhost ::1 ?
03:15.11luke-jrlucent: it does by default for me
03:16.27lucentoh, how can you tell?
03:17.11luke-jrnetstat -t
03:17.14luke-jr-tl
03:17.57lucentmine says only "tcp 0 127.0.0.1:53 0.0.0.0:* LISTEN"
03:17.59lucentno tcp6
03:18.13luke-jrmaybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support
03:18.31lucentoh, that could be
03:20.46lucentluke-jr: does that mean, you have built your own dnsmasq?
03:21.37luke-jrlucent: no, I was looking at my router :P
03:23.35lucentseems to be /etc/event.d/dnsmasq
03:23.54lucent"exec /usr/bsbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -z" hardcoded
03:24.04lucenttypos obviously ^^
03:24.16luke-jrlol
03:26.21lucentgoing to try "exec /usr/sbin/dnsmasq -k -i lo -a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z"
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03:30.26lucentshoot, doesn't work
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03:34.51lucentdon't know why it doesn't start correctly, when I start it manually it works fine
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03:43.27lucentluke-jr: any idea why "-a ::1" would make dnsmasq fail to execute from /etc/event.d/dnsmasq ?
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04:00.03pupnik2 hours of mp3 playback and battery meter reads 99%
04:00.16lucentha, battery meter not working?
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04:10.53pupniklucent: guess what, it's not a n900
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04:16.03hatake_kakashiand so the million dollar question is: what phone is it?
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04:17.56pupnikinternet tablet hatake_kakashi - archos a70s running linux
04:18.43hatake_kakashipupnik: ahh a different distribution yet again :)
04:19.15pupnikhatake_kakashi: i wish nokia had continued the internet tablet tradition
04:19.16hatake_kakashitoo bad that device doesn't have phone functionality built-in
04:19.29pupniki think it's better without
04:21.32hatake_kakashipupnik, then again nokia is bleeding red after having iphone as well as android phones eating away it's share of phone market
04:22.10SpeedEvilblackberry on the other side
04:22.59psycho_oreosand speaking of which about blackberry: http://firstain.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/cartoon_iphone-vs-android-vs-bb.jpeg
04:23.19luke-jrlucent: [22:18:12] <luke-jr> maybe Maemo's dnsmasq was built w/o IPv6 support
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04:24.33pupnikhatake_kakashi: well the pioneer of a technology often isn't the one who capitalizes on the idea
04:25.47hatake_kakashipupnik, granted however nokia isn't a company that just focuses on internet tablets
04:26.02pupnikthey invented the first usable ones
04:26.31pupnika courageous band of real computer geeks within the company
04:27.34pupnikso the nokia geeks pioneered the way and showed the world it could be done
04:27.47pupnikthen apple and google showed the business world how that tech could be used for evil, and profit :D
04:27.57hatake_kakashithen again I think it was the whole reality of marketing and trends saw internet tablets as a niche market
04:28.14luke-jrpupnik: nonsense
04:28.16pupnikyes... but apple saw how to make money off operators
04:28.23pupnikand google saw how to make money off advertisements
04:28.35pupnikwith the same tech
04:28.38luke-jrinternet tablets have existed before Nokia even dreamed of it
04:28.51hatake_kakashiapple made a killing from its app store from what I understood
04:28.53pupniknah, 770 was the first real one
04:29.42pupnikprevious 'tablets' didn't have the battery/cpu/size/screen magic bullet
04:30.05luke-jrpupnik: bs
04:30.18luke-jr770 was a failed idea
04:30.23luke-jrit was underpowered for its generation
04:30.40luke-jrthe earlier tablets at least had appropriate batt/cpu/size/screen for their time
04:30.40johnxit really was, considering it came *after* the zauruses
04:31.07luke-jr64 MB made sense back in 2003, not 2007
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04:31.37pupnikyes but the zaurus was 700 euro and the 770 was 350
04:31.52luke-jrbut the 770 was far less capable
04:32.03luke-jrit lacked a keyboard, etc
04:32.19tzafrir_laptophmm..... does the N900 respond really poorly to being short on battery?
04:32.19luke-jreven today, the Zaurus keyboard is far superior to even the N810 and N900
04:32.25luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: it shuts down
04:32.42luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: if it's too slow, it won't even charge*
04:32.49pupnikok sharp was first you're right
04:33.09tzafrir_laptopluke-jr, I'd be glad if it were only that. I have it connected to USB for several hours now,
04:33.16tzafrir_laptopand it still won't power up
04:33.38luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: try using the wall adapter for 30 mins
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04:33.58tzafrir_laptopluke-jr, what's the difference?
04:34.28lucenthar, zaurus, I owned that once
04:34.33luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: the wall adapter is supposed to charge faster I think
04:34.34tzafrir_laptop(and yesterday I connected it to the wall adapter, and it took quite a while
04:34.46tzafrir_laptopAren't both just USB?
04:34.47luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: actually, might not matter since the emergency-charge-mode is only ultra-slow
04:35.15luke-jrlucent: one of the PDAs, or the handhelds/i.tablets?
04:35.21lucentthe C3200
04:35.30luke-jrah, that was the last gen
04:35.32lucentand the C3000, for what it matters they were the same
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04:35.37luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: there is no 'just USB'
04:35.46tzafrir_laptopThe sad thing is that it was connected to USB power all day, but 5 minutes after I left the office I noticed that the battery is almost empty
04:35.49luke-jrlucent: what happen to it?
04:36.07lucentluke-jr: I never found a daily use for it, and sold it
04:36.15luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: sure? plugged in != charging
04:36.36lucentnice hardware, though.
04:36.38tzafrir_laptopluke-jr, do I have to ask it to start charging?
04:36.52luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: if you connect it to Windows, you do I think
04:36.58johnxtzafrir_laptop, the wall charger will give it more than 500mA. a USB port on a PC will probably only give it 500mA max
04:37.03luke-jrLinux just tells it OK go ahead
04:37.31lucentN900 is my return to a "pocket linux" device, and I think I'm actually using it because it has a phone and a nice camera
04:37.32tzafrir_laptopluke-jr, so if I just connect it, it won't start charging immediately?
04:37.43luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: I don't think Windows will, no
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04:37.53tzafrir_laptopregardless of what connection it will use?
04:37.59tzafrir_laptopI use Linux
04:38.12lucenttzafrir_laptop: I think zaurus needs 24 hours to charge, if the battery was too low
04:38.14luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: Linux will probably, but then it depends on the motherboard's capabilities
04:38.39luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: it's also possible to have N900 doing too much that it can't charge
04:38.45luke-jrthat is, using more power than it can get
04:39.08tzafrir_laptopluke-jr, there are many USB-powered devices (that only take power). IIRC I don't see them on lsusb
04:39.27luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: irrelevant
04:39.35lucentkernel can shut down power if it sees too much drain, I think
04:40.08johnxalso, I've had mine fail to begin charging and needed to unplug and re-plug before it started charging
04:40.30lucenttzafrir_laptop: are you trying to charge an N900, or a zaurus? sorry I was missing this
04:41.06tzafrir_laptopwonders when he will eventually give up and start using a phone that Just Works
04:41.15luke-jrdown with phones!
04:41.18johnxtzafrir_laptop, when someone makes one?
04:41.34tzafrir_laptopAs opposed to a computer that is also a resonably nice phone
04:41.56tzafrir_laptopjohnx, my previous mobile phones work nicely.
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04:42.24luke-jrmy grandmother's cell phone is amusing
04:42.25tzafrir_laptopThey don't do anything close to what the N900 does, but they do it well
04:42.30luke-jrit doesn't have a display, just a numpad
04:42.36lucentI have no illusions, it is true that N900 has a bonus feature called a phone
04:42.42johnxpictures tzafrir_laptop with a rotary dialed phone from the 50s :)
04:42.55luke-jrOMG
04:42.59luke-jrthat would be a killer app
04:43.02luke-jra rotary dialer
04:43.04tzafrir_laptopjohnx, look for my avatar on jabber.org
04:43.05luke-jrfor N900
04:43.05lucento_O
04:43.25lucentwith resistive touchscreen? I'm not liking that :/  but great idea
04:43.27psycho_oreoswait for the novelty to wear off for today's trends
04:43.31lucentwould rock on a capacitive screen
04:44.07tzafrir_laptopanalog phone networks of today still support pulse dialing. I suspect GSM networks don't
04:44.27luke-jrtzafrir_laptop: well it would emulate that side ofc
04:44.56tzafrir_laptopthere's a simpler interface than the dial:
04:45.07tzafrir_laptopclick once for 1, 2 for 2, etc.
04:45.28tzafrir_laptopWhich is the pulse that is actually sent.
04:45.43tzafrir_laptopAnd which nobody will get right on a touch screen :-)
04:45.44lucentluke-jr: as in http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sVLb7dJ8_VY
04:46.34psycho_oreosand traditional rotary dials did not have an undo button, one mistake and you're going to have to repeat the whole sequence again.. I can imagine how much fun that'll be when it comes to international calling combined with calling cards that use automated responses within a time frame
04:48.00lucentluke-jr: FYI the fix for IPv6 was to add "::1" nameserver to resolv.conf, and to make sure dnsmasq started WITHOUT the "-z" (bind interfaces) option
04:48.25lucentnot totally sold that it's the correct solution, but it is close to what I wanted
04:49.10lucentbetter would be to get dnsmasq bound to ::1 and retain the -z option
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04:49.47lucentwhen I tried "-a 127.0.0.1 -a ::1 -z" then dnsmasq would not start from its upstart job
04:50.37lucentsimply "-a 127.0.0.1" it starts, and I'm sure will cause problems if I want another instance of dnsmasq running, but I don't need that right now and haven't an idea how to do it correctly
04:52.07tzafrir_laptopspeaking of dnsmasq: is there any problem with not preventing it from resolving local addresses?
04:52.35lucenttzafrir_laptop: double negative logic, could you rephrase a bit?
04:53.35alteregoJust sent my gf away in a taxi to Paris
04:53.42alterego5am, nuergh
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04:55.56johnxtzafrir_laptop, errr, what do you want it to do that it's not doing right now?
04:56.48tzafrir_laptoplooks for the name of that option
04:58.03tzafrir_laptopuntil I find it: here's what telephony people think about rotary phones: http://tzafrir.org.il/~tzafrir/touchtone1.wav
04:58.19tzafrir_laptop(from the Asterisk 'extra' sounds tarball)
05:00.16lucentthe amplitude on that audio file is pretty low, wonder why that isn't normalized
05:00.21johnxtzafrir_laptop, which is funny, because that's approximately how I feel about phone menus :)
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05:01.36tzafrir_laptopthe option is 'domain-needed' . What happens if I remove '--domain-needed' from the dnsmasq command-line?
05:02.55johnxprobably nothing helpful but nothing bad?
05:03.56johnxif the DNS server on your local network answers queries like that it might actually be helpful
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05:07.28johnxtzafrir_laptop, cool. that's actually helpful for me
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05:56.04MaKaguys...
05:56.11MaKaurgent help needed..
05:57.13slonopotamusis there any way to see _all_ mail headers for message in modest?
05:57.28johnxMaKa, just ask the question :)
05:57.32MaKaafter installing multiboot,on the very next reboot,i dont find any kernel to select
05:57.34MaKa:(
05:57.48MaKanow its a kinda deadlock:()
05:57.56MaKai cant boot into my maemo..:(
05:58.08MaKanor into my memorycard..
05:58.19johnxMaKa, do you have a linux desktop to use?
05:58.39MaKayep,but i am far away from it right now..
05:58.45MaKaas far as my office from my home :P
05:59.14MaKaany root cause upto ur knowledge johnx?
05:59.28johnxah, well you could probably use your nokia flasher on your linux desktop to load the stock kernel into RAM once so you could boot into maemo and fix things
05:59.30MaKai have the meego image on the MicroSD card..
05:59.34johnxnope. never played with multiboot
05:59.43MaKaoh..
05:59.53MaKai was using bootmenu-n900 so far..
06:00.11MaKajust  gave a try for multiboot and i am hung.. :D
06:00.29MaKado i need to reflash anything?
06:00.56johnxprobably not if you can get booted into maemo
06:00.57MaKaor just run the kernel flasher command to just load the rootfs??
06:01.16MaKaya okay thanks johnx...
06:01.35johnxluckily you can reflash just the kernel+bootloader+initfs without reflashing the rootfs+emmc
06:01.54MaKaam desperately in need of a solution to boot now without having to goto a desktop,which seems to be impossible now:P
06:02.01MaKathanks to #maemo :)
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06:02.27Termanagood morning
06:02.28johnxthere should be a CLI flasher for windows and mac, but I don't know enough about them to be helpful
06:02.32johnxmornin' Termana
06:03.03MaKathere is a maemo flasher for windows and it works as fine as the Linux thing..
06:03.13MaKamorning Termana :)
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06:06.10MaKahey johnx,what shud i do now exactly??? :P
06:06.55MaKai mean i dont know how exactly to load the stock kernel into RAM
06:07.06johnxhave you used flasher before?
06:08.30MaKayeah,i have used it for flashing the emmc and the firmware..
06:09.00johnxso first of all: download a copy of the normal firmware
06:09.12johnxmake sure it matches whatever you have installed
06:09.18MaKaya okay,,
06:09.32MaKai have the same thing,that is okay!!
06:10.28johnxerrr, before we start,  you've googled a bit first, right? ;)
06:10.44MaKaright :)
06:10.59johnxso you tried holding 0 to boot maemo?
06:11.04MaKayep..
06:11.09MaKait shows ,what
06:11.16MaKawait i will tell you now what it tells me..
06:11.53MaKait says,can't flash kernel,required files not found
06:12.15johnxerrr, it says that when booting your N900?
06:12.32MaKaGuru meditation#00000025.62017712
06:12.55MaKaafter pressing the 0 on multiboot screen..
06:13.12MaKaalso says hit any key to panic.. :(
06:14.34johnxso first I'd unpack the firmware image: flasher-3.5 -u firmware.bin
06:15.03MaKaokay,i will have the unpacked image..
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06:15.37johnxflasher-3.5 -k kernel-image.bin -l -b
06:15.52johnxI don't know the exact filename
06:16.11MaKathis will boot the n900 with native os,right?
06:16.12MaKathanks Johnx:)
06:16.20MaKahttp://www.google.com/url?sa=D&q=http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware&usg=AFQjCNE17uoU0pVr75bGZqiKh0BWlPrfSw
06:16.21johnxyou might want to look at flasher-3.5 --help so you can double check, before just trusting me
06:16.38johnxMaKa, it should load the maemo kernel into RAM, *once*
06:16.56johnxbut I honestly don't know exactly how multiboot works, so that may or may not be enough
06:17.10MaKaya,ONCE...that is enuf for me to uninstall this multiboot :)
06:17.14MaKaoh my god :(
06:17.26MaKalet me give it a kick.. :)
06:17.43MaKathe above link is down i guesss..
06:17.52MaKacant open in my network..
06:18.04johnxme neither
06:19.44johnxback in a couple minutes
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06:30.44johnxany luck MaKa ?
06:31.32MaKaNot so far..
06:31.58johnxis flasher managing to load the kernel?
06:33.44MaKayep..
06:34.14MaKaflasher when done in updating mode,directly loads the kernel..
06:34.24MaKai guess i will be able to boot into maemo soon :)
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15:32.59alteregoHow can I make a postinst & postrm script in debian package only used in one of the packages from a single source tree?
15:33.05loft306hmmmm ispy the wiki is up
15:33.21alteregoI have a lib, generating lib and lib-dev, but lib-dev is running my postinst and postrm scripts and it shouldn't.
15:36.21tybollt_for android there's an app that kicks in just when a call is received and checks w/ an online source who is the owner of the number (case it is not a number in the phonebook) and shows it on the screen - is there such an app for maemo?
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15:41.54Khertan_alterego: did you mean that the postrm script is run after the update of the new version ?
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15:42.06Khertan_as i got the same problem with khweeteur :)
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15:43.39alteregoKhertan_: well, I have a project, it's a shared library, my debianization creates two packages lib and lib-dev
15:43.49alteregoBut the hook scripts I only want in lib.
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15:44.21alteregoNot in lib-dev, but postinst and postrm are being executed for both lib and lib-dev packages. Which will screw things up if you remove lib-dev
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15:54.16DocScrutinizeralterego: nice
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15:56.23alteregoMeh, fixed it.
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16:07.28abhyI was planning to buy N900 is it going to help me in Meego Development, please let me know
16:07.49SpeedEvilyes, certainly.
16:07.57SpeedEvilCompared to having no platform.
16:08.09SpeedEvilThe question is - will it be the most heavily developed platform.
16:08.17SpeedEvilIt's pretty much so at the moment.
16:08.24SpeedEvilFor phone anyway
16:08.35abhyCan I make Meego apps, then wont it be restricted to only N900 and contrary N900 will not be supporting it
16:08.37SpeedEvilbut what's coming down the pipe is a different question
16:08.38MohammadAGwith the vsync SGX driver, it's kinda cool
16:08.46MohammadAGand it's not as slow as it used to be
16:08.54MohammadAGabhy, no
16:08.55SpeedEvil'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable
16:08.56SpeedEvilQt
16:08.59MohammadAGThat's the point of Qt
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16:09.23SpeedEvilYou won't be able usually to simply run the binaries, but it should be a simple recompile, and screen-dimensions thing.
16:09.26SpeedEvilPretty much
16:09.30MohammadAGif properly coded, you should be able to run the apps on Maemo 5, MeeGo, Windows, Linux, Mac and Symbian
16:09.56MohammadAG(Note: Symbian might be retarded)
16:12.02abhyokay...  thanks guys... but just one question, though its not good to ask, do you think Meego will not come up to the mark in front of Android
16:12.22MohammadAGtbh, I think Android will fall down to the mark of it
16:13.45TiagoTiagoYou shouldn't be making a program with hardcoded screen resolution nor aspect ratio
16:13.52alteregoOnce MeeGo core becomes stable on the N900, it will be come what we make of it.
16:14.05alteregoOnce we have full functionality, camera, gps, blah, blah.
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16:14.22alteregoIt's just a matter of fine tuning it and turning the ux into something we can enjoy using.
16:16.14abhythank you guys, will soon be joining you all
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16:21.10mecehello tharr!
16:21.49Khertan_<SpeedEvil> 'Meego' apps are meant to be mostly portable <<< or not ... they are pushing for QML ... beurk
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16:25.43MohammadAGQML's portable afaik
16:26.30meceqml is definately portable. well as portable as qt 4.7 I suppose.
16:26.53MaKawhat is the command to unpack a Fiasco image???
16:27.02MohammadAGflasher-3.5 --help
16:27.08MohammadAG(hint -u)
16:27.44MaKafound.. thanks :)
16:28.42MaKainstalled Multiboot and i cant boot into my device..
16:28.51MaKanor into my MicroSD too :)
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16:32.04DocScrutinizerI really wonder what's wrong with this multiboot thing. Never looked into it, but it seems to me it's quirky, obsolete, and #1 on causing problems and making people reflash their device
16:33.12DocScrutinizerplus its name is always called in same context as *droid
16:33.27MaKai shud now completely reflash or just coldflash???
16:33.40DocScrutinizerCOLDFLASH????
16:33.41meceMaka, try flasjing just kernel
16:33.44MohammadAGwhat exactly is the problem?
16:33.46meceflashing
16:33.55KaadlajkI had device with nitdroid at work and only managed to flash it with flashing jig
16:34.03meceMaKa, did you follow the instructions?
16:34.13Kaadlajkwould not try nitdroid with my own device :P
16:34.14meceKaadlajk, nice :)
16:34.21MohammadAGumm
16:34.29MohammadAGnitdroid doesn't touch the bootloader
16:34.29MaKai actually tried this multiboot thing not for nitroid,but for MeeGo :P
16:34.46MohammadAGmultiboot for MeeGo is a bad decision
16:34.48mecewhy would you try nitdroid? Isn't that some stripped phone os?
16:34.57MaKawas using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine..
16:34.59mecemultiboot for meego works perfectly.
16:35.04MohammadAGthey got uBoot working for a reason
16:35.12meceerm
16:35.14meceright
16:35.16meceI meant uboot
16:35.16MaKatried with multiboot, and am dumbstruck..
16:35.32DocScrutinizerrecalls some wikipage where coldflashing was mentioned, completely misleading about its purpose, among other random bogus instructions.
16:35.34MaKaya i understand..
16:35.49meceI thought we were talking about uboot this whole time *bonk self*
16:36.08MaKabut multiboot shud show the list of native kernel atleast if not the MicroSD kernel..
16:36.33MaKathere is no OS listed in the list..
16:36.45mecebummer
16:37.18MaKawhen pressed '0',
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16:37.32DocScrutinizerscrew multiboot
16:37.36MaKait says,can't flash kernel,required files not found
16:37.43MaKaGuru meditation#00000025.62017712
16:37.53MaKaalso says hit any key to panic.. :(
16:38.20MaKahow do i identify the kernel image for this device without opening its back cover now
16:38.30MaKa?
16:38.37DocScrutinizerfriggin multiboot is reflashing your kernel on every boot (as judging by above error msg) which CERTAINLY is a thing you should NOT do
16:38.38meceAmigaOS?
16:39.00mecehaven't seen guru meditation since the 80ies
16:39.05satmdsame here
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16:39.39MaKabut i never knew this multiboot installation wud bring this error :(
16:39.45meceis the guru meditation message in a box with a red border?
16:39.52MaKajust installed it,rebooted and am hung here :(
16:39.56mecedamn
16:39.57MaKayep..
16:40.02mecewait what? it is?
16:40.09MaKayes..
16:40.18MaKared box like a teaser msg :(
16:40.27MohammadAG<MaKa> was using MeeGo with bootmenu-n900 and was working fine..
16:40.31MohammadAGuhh
16:40.31DocScrutinizerforget multiboot!
16:40.39MohammadAGYou have 2.6.35 for Maemo 5?
16:40.39mecelike this: http://haftbar.de/wp-content/guru-meditation_error.gif
16:40.58MaKa2.6.28?!?!?!
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16:41.15MaKasame as that image...
16:41.24meceO.O
16:41.35MaKawith the msg on the top changed to "can't flash kernel,required files not found"
16:41.44mece:D
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16:41.52MohammadAGWell, if you have 2.6.28, MeeGo won't work, so it obviously wasn't working properly with bootmenu
16:42.03MohammadAGJust use flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R
16:42.17DocScrutinizerMaKa: you are aware of the true implications of what it says it's (not) doing there?
16:42.18MohammadAGassuming you unpacked the zImage to .
16:42.36MaKayes MohammedAG
16:42.39MaKadoing it..
16:43.26MaKaNot exactly Doc
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16:43.58MohammadAGalso, you can complete nicknames using tab
16:44.00mecethis guru meditation thing is a joke, right?
16:44.18MohammadAGmece, it's the way multiboot handles error numbers
16:44.21DocScrutinizeryou are (multiboot is) *flashing* your kernel on boot. Flashing wears NAND, and is generally a thing you don't want to do in the field.
16:44.41meceMohammadAG, yeah, it's still a joke though. Or a pun or whatever you call it.
16:44.47DocScrutinizergenerally speaking flashing kernels is dangerous
16:44.54meceretro cleverlry
16:45.21MohammadAGJay-C had a nat/nokia cloak
16:45.42MohammadAGmultiboot was written by a Nokia employee
16:45.57MaKaYa,but i remember reading somewhere That NAND wears is still lesser than what we do with the normal HDD so it can be negligible..
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16:46.16MaKaKernel image boot failure MohammedAG
16:46.17MaKa:(
16:46.49DocScrutinizerflashing a kernel or (for mainboards) a BIOS isn't anything you do on the fly
16:46.52MohammadAGthat's not an error I've heard of
16:46.55MohammadAGhit 0
16:47.25DocScrutinizerMEH
16:47.31DocScrutinizeruse uBoot
16:47.57DocScrutinizermultiboot, what a clever sick hack
16:48.06MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, multiboot hooks onto preinit, flashing uBoot won't help since this is loaded before it
16:48.22DocScrutinizerwhat?
16:48.30MohammadAGhmm
16:48.32MohammadAGactually
16:48.59DocScrutinizerto get rid of multiboot there's of course no use in flashing uBoot
16:49.25meceso it fails before kernel is loaded?
16:49.29MohammadAGah
16:49.38meceI mean
16:49.38MohammadAGit makes /sbin/preinit_orig
16:49.39meceerm
16:49.48MohammadAGthinks he knows of a way
16:49.53MaKaMohammadAG:
16:49.59MaKaMohammadAG: Done :)
16:50.00DocScrutinizerexcept with uBoot you *could* still boot up the non-fubar'd OS and fix the one infected by multiboot preinit hook
16:50.04MaKamece: thanks:)
16:50.04meceboot some os fro microsd card
16:50.22MohammadAG"init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
16:50.23mecelike meego :)
16:50.38MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k zImage -l --boot="init=/sbin/preinit_orig ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
16:50.47MohammadAGthat should override multiboot
16:50.49meceMohammadAG, oo :D
16:51.00meceMohammadAG, that's actually pretty brilliant
16:51.23MohammadAGit's a modified stock kernel CMDLINE :P
16:51.39MaKanow removing this multiboot shud get me rid of this problem right?
16:51.46MohammadAGyeah
16:52.21DocScrutinizermece: that's not brilliant, that's obvious. Getting the parameters right is brilliant, but we still wait to see that :-D
16:52.40meceDocScrutinizer, I'm just assuming they're correct :)
16:52.48MohammadAGthey are ;)
16:52.53mecehaha
16:54.18DocScrutinizeryou're still on your own to get rid of multiboot, after that. I suggest for a first measure you cp /sbin/preinit_orig /sbin/preinit
16:54.42MaKaSo MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer , uBoot is ur suggestion?
16:54.55luke-jrMohammadAG: flasher's --boot thing doesn't work fyi
16:55.05DocScrutinizeris my alternative to using multiboot which is crap
16:55.07MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, multiboot does that in postrm
16:55.13MohammadAGluke-jr, it does, FYI
16:55.19luke-jrMohammadAG: nope, I tried many times
16:55.25MohammadAGyou fail then :P
16:55.31MohammadAGI use it to boot MeeGo from the eMMC
16:55.37MohammadAGso obviously, it does work
16:56.27MohammadAGluke-jr, you might be forgetting to escape spaces or wrap it with ""
16:56.29MaKaMohammadAG: Correction,I used -f <image> -l -b to boot the MeeGo :p and so that was no part bootmenu-n900 does in it :P
16:56.34MohammadAGbut it does work, I'm sure of it
16:56.36MaKawrong understanding :P
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16:56.43luke-jrMohammadAG: maybe it was fixed in 3.5
16:56.51luke-jrI only have 3.0 (last 64-bit ver)
16:57.00MohammadAGuses 3.5 on 64-bit
16:57.08luke-jrwhere do you get 64-bit 3.5
16:57.09luke-jr?
16:57.21MohammadAGyou don't, --force-architecture and get ia32-libs ;)
16:57.29luke-jrthen you're not using it on 64-bit
16:57.31MohammadAGunless you're using windows
16:57.43luke-jrthat's hybrid 32/64 bloat
16:58.03DocScrutinizerpleeeease not this again
16:58.20MohammadAGhey, it works for me :)
16:59.19DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: for luke-jr Qt is no c++ but a new language. And linux with a custom driver no linux. And flasher with ia32 libs not running on 64bit
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17:00.55DocScrutinizerwonders what's an app running under wine for luke-jr
17:01.06luke-jra Windows app ofc
17:01.17MaKaDoes MeeGo work functionally fine??
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17:01.46DocScrutinizerI heard of nobody using it on N900 for a daily phone
17:01.47MaKaI mean in terms of call and sms and Internet?
17:02.12MaKaThe same with NiTDroid?
17:03.08DocScrutinizernice toys for developers
17:03.28alteregoFailed to fetch http://stage/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/libr/librxsupport/librxsupport_0.1.0-3_armel.deb  Size mismatch
17:03.29MohammadAGcalling works
17:03.32alteregoAny ideas?
17:03.34MohammadAGand SMS receiving works
17:03.39MaKabut i found it not working..
17:03.43DocScrutinizerand if I wanted a android phone then I'd not have bought an N900
17:03.49MohammadAGalterego, wait 5 mins, it might recreate the index
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17:03.54MaKaIt just remained in flight mode..
17:04.00MohammadAGpin code?
17:04.03MaKai cudnt detect the signat even..
17:04.38MohammadAGagain, got a pin code?
17:05.38MaKapin code?? asking me??
17:06.58Spookjedo you have a pin code on your sim? did you enter it correctly? if not, you remain in flight mode..
17:07.18MaKaoh..
17:07.23MaKai never knew this..
17:07.37MaKabut where does meego ask for the pincode?
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17:07.48Spookjedunno
17:08.48nox-afaik by default its configured not to ask
17:09.00nox-but you can change that, `somewhere'...
17:09.30nox-err sorry i meant maemo haha
17:09.41MohammadAGMaKa, it doesn't
17:09.48MohammadAGMaKa, so you have to get rid of it
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17:12.26MaKaAny idea how to add more user profiles in n900 other than general and silent?
17:14.26Spookjewith tweakr for example.....
17:14.34MohammadAGprofilex or something
17:14.37Spookjetook me a whole second to google that btw
17:15.03MaKaMaKa is :P lazy bum :D
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17:26.09yashadid somebody try already the injection patches?
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17:28.31DocWAnyone know how to change default search engine for Opera on the N900?
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17:50.27trumeeno cli ftp client in N900?
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17:51.07yacctrumee, ncftp?
17:51.46trumeeyacc: that would it be nice, is that in extras-devel?
17:51.46yaccn900ftp?
17:51.58yacctrumee, guess so, I've got devel enabled.
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17:52.10yaccAnd automatic upgrade lookup disabled ;)
17:52.40trumeeyacc: thanks, i will install ncftp
17:52.57piggzoh yeah! http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile-report-1.png
17:53.28MohammadAGftp?
17:55.33yashaanybody checked out the injection patches?
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18:03.31DocScrutinizertrumee: mc
18:03.53trxim trying to connect a usb wireless adapter to n900
18:03.57DocScrutinizerwell, not exactly 'cmdline' :-)
18:04.08trxim using an active hub
18:04.13trumeeDocScrutinizer: ncftp is the perfect cli ftp client
18:04.25DocScrutinizermhm
18:04.34DocScrutinizerI'm happy with mc
18:04.42trxand the device is there if i check with dmesg
18:04.54trxbut there is no wlan0 interface
18:05.04DocScrutinizertrx: lsusb
18:05.19Sicelotrx: tried ifconfig -a?
18:05.34DocScrutinizertrx: and of course you'll need the matching drivers for that dongle
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18:06.35trxlsb usb can see both the hub and the device
18:06.35DocScrutinizertrx: also what means "the device is there if i check with dmesg"? What exactly is there?
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18:06.42trxatheros based device tho
18:06.46MohammadAGwell
18:06.49MohammadAGthat's uboot gone
18:06.51MohammadAGgrumbles
18:06.52trumeeis it possible for N900 to become a bluetooth audio receiver, ie it plays the audio broadcasted by TomTom bluetooth?
18:06.53trxlsusb*
18:07.12trxDocScrutinizer it displays the informations about the device
18:07.17trxhmm\
18:07.22trxsome errors too
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18:07.28trumeedont know what is it called in terms of bluetooth profile
18:07.32trxwould you be willing to take a look?
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18:07.47DocScrutinizertrx: if that's USB messages in dmesg then it doesn't mean a lot
18:08.04DocScrutinizeryou'd need the proper kernel driver to handle the WLAN dongle
18:08.54DocScrutinizerI'd not expect maemo to ship that driver by default
18:08.56trxhmm, i taught that linux would have the drivers for tp-link's atheros based adapter
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18:09.15trxso, its prolly the drivers?
18:09.22DocScrutinizeryes
18:09.32trxhow can i check that?
18:09.59DocScrutinizeryou need to modprobe the correct driver for the 'card' (usually that's done automatically by udev or sth)
18:10.08trxnote that i tried usb ethernet adapter, god knows what brand it is
18:10.16trxand it works, guess im lucky :)
18:10.55DocScrutinizertrx: easiest way is to plug the dongle to a PC where it should work, then find out which driver it is using
18:11.24trxyeah
18:11.29trxill try and do that
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18:11.46DocScrutinizerthen see if you can find or compile that driver for maemo
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18:13.05DocScrutinizeror you use google with the VID and PID of lsusb and find info about that driver's name
18:13.36trxill try that too
18:13.38trxthank you
18:13.40DocScrutinizeryw
18:13.43DocScrutinizero/
18:15.25Arkenoitrx: are you trying to find a driver with injection working out of the box?
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18:16.22RST38hGood evening, gentlemen
18:16.54trxany driver will do, i just need the adapter to work
18:17.54GAN900RST38h, yo.
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18:18.26GAN900The N9 rumor mill really isn't a happy one these days, is it?
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18:19.09DocScrutinizer??
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18:19.59RST38hGAN: No, it is not.
18:25.21JaffaGAN900: There are new ones? Of use?
18:25.56yashaany of you guys tried the new injection patches??
18:25.56JaffaGAN900: See the meego-* email from a Nokian about Flash, homescreen widgets etc?
18:26.17lcuk2Jaffa, link?
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18:26.57Jaffalcuk2: trying to find it
18:27.05lcuk2coolio
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18:29.40Jaffalcuk: In the "PCWorld" thread on meego-community
18:30.08lcukta jaffa
18:30.59Jaffalcuk: Search for "interestingly Marko Ahtisaari talks about having customisable"
18:31.09lcukyeah i have it its ok \o
18:31.17RST38hgyfvutgy]'tdxrbgbn v?
18:31.25Jaffalcuk: There're references to "Dali" which I don't understand tho'
18:31.33JaffaSo it could mean something else
18:31.35_trinecan I ask if it allowed for a person to charge for linux source code ?
18:32.13_trineI was thinking about the wl1251 wifi drivers
18:32.22Jaffa_trine: Only for media and P&P, i.e. "reasonable"
18:32.43_trinewell is this ok :- http://david.gnedt.eu/blog/wl1251/
18:32.47GAN900Jaffa, one would assume hardware codename.
18:32.47alteregostarts thinking of a new icon for Columbus
18:33.49JaffaGAOne would
18:34.13JaffaGAN900: One would
18:34.24GAN900Jaffa, googling around turns up N9 pictures
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18:35.29MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67371
18:35.36MohammadAG@ Jaffa GAN900
18:36.08DocScrutinizer_trine: this is perfectly allowable
18:36.59_trineDocScrutinizer: ok but I thought source code had to be free but I'm no linux expert
18:37.08MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch | grep patch` | wc -l
18:37.08MohammadAG2787
18:37.26DocScrutinizerin fact you can charge whatever you want for sourcecode for linux that you have written yourself
18:37.28MohammadAGit's understandable
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18:37.44_trineok thanks
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18:38.50DocScrutinizeryou mustn't charge for sourcecode that others have written though - also if it's only parts or derived work
18:39.53DocScrutinizeryet you can charge for *providing* the sourcecode. That's what e.g. Suse linux did for long time with their CD/DVD based distros
18:39.58alteregoMohammadAG: and divide that line count by four and you probably get his actual contribution :P
18:40.22MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep + | wc -l
18:40.24MohammadAG1288
18:40.38alterego:)
18:40.41_trineit seems like these people are having 2 bites at the cherry first it was neopwn everyone was asked to donate to then apparently because the neopwn person didn't pay the developer the developer wants more donations now
18:40.57MohammadAGhmm
18:41.13MohammadAGmohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/wl1251-maemo/patches$ cat `find -name *patch` | grep \+ | grep -v +++ | wc -l
18:41.16MohammadAG1180
18:41.16MohammadAGalterego, ^
18:41.33alteregoYes, I saw :P
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18:42.41yaccwonders if MeeGo binaries will also run on Maemo? If so, there might be hope to get a fully working Ovimaps on the n900 ;)
18:43.40lcukyacc, maybe in time - have you looked at cloudgps by the way? :) its surprisingly slick
18:44.22alteregoOh, forgot you can't start hildon home in scratchbox arm target
18:44.44ShadowJKyacc: apparently ovi maps is browser plugins and a shitload of javascript
18:45.22DocScrutinizer_trine: so what?
18:45.49_trineDocScrutinizer: is that a question ?
18:45.54DocScrutinizer_trine: do you think it'd be better he rm wl1251/* and dummy up?
18:46.30_trineDocScrutinizer: clam down your English is not understandable
18:46.47yaccShadowJK, well, perhaps, does not matter to me, but it's basically slow to start up, and does not provide full navigation, basically slightly worse than google maps was in Android 1.0, ...
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18:47.48DocScrutinizerdo you prefer the student that developed a nice driver for WL1251 - which was a lot of work for him - just discards all that because the customer that ordered that work at him didn't pay?
18:48.42_trineDocScrutinizer: if he sold something then didn't get paid for it why should he be able to sell it twice when others have already paid towards it
18:48.54DocScrutinizerhell, he's asking for a *donation* - and you are free to donate as little as 1 ct
18:49.11_trineDocScrutinizer: i doubt that
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18:49.45_trineanyway I was only asking the question I don't want to get into a debate
18:49.50DocScrutinizerI doubt you have any means to force him to serve you for free
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18:50.19_trineI am not a linux person really so I really honestly didn't know
18:50.29yaccNice, managed to make pcsuite mode to startup even the vncclient on my desktop :)
18:50.47DocScrutinizerAnd I think he deserves some donation, as he didn't do anything odd as far as I can tell
18:51.33yacc_trine, actually, you can donate 1€, and then setup your own site and allow free download if you like, that's how the GPL works, ..
18:51.51yashaI lost the n900 icon in the desktop after flashing
18:52.05_trineyacc I would not want to do that
18:52.10yashawhere can I get it back?
18:52.13yaccHe basically asks for a donation for the priviledge of delivering the stuff to you.
18:52.13DocScrutinizeryou for sure can't argue against hosting costing money, and he's free to ask for refund of that expense, even if the work hosted wasn't any bit of his own work
18:52.53yacc_trine, yeah, probably not overly nice, but that's the "self-governing" that the GPL forces.
18:54.06yacc_trine, if the guy gets naughty and asks for brash stuff, anybody can "undercut" him.
18:54.50lcuknot quite anybody  somebody who has the driver themselves...
18:54.55yashadid you use the driver already??
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18:56.56lcukyasha, if he supplied a paper printed document along with source code on cd delivered to your house would you pay more?
18:57.29yacclcuk, yeah, but basically it's a simple fix, you can ask rather unreasonable fees for GPL code, but if you do so extremely, you can do probably only a small number of times, ...
18:57.48lcukyacc, depends
18:58.04lcukits quite obvious this code manages something people want
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18:58.17lcukand its not at a point of being generally available
18:58.46lcukand tbh as long as he is actually honouring the license then more power to him
18:58.57RST38hyacc: You do not get money for GPLed code.
18:59.14RST38hyacc: In fact, you do not even getmoney for supporting GPLed code, most of the time
18:59.53yashadid somebody tried already?
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19:01.51MohammadAGhow about refreshing the thread, you asked about 5 times here already
19:01.55MohammadAGand yes it works
19:02.27yashaI also think he should get some donations
19:02.55yaccyeah, asking for donations is quite reasonable, considering that it's not exactly mainstream appealing code, ...
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19:03.18yaccit's a niche product for a product that is not really mainstream by itself (the n900).
19:03.34yashanobody give me an answer Moha
19:04.18yashanow I know
19:04.21yashathanks
19:04.47yashaI'll give him a donation
19:05.16yashais just funny that took so long to somebody to code that stuff
19:05.56MohammadAGit's been available since neopwn was released, but it was closed source (and licensed under the GPL...(
19:06.00MohammadAG)*
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19:07.08yashaany way
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19:12.50rysiek|plguys, is there a way to *completely* erase *all* data (contacts, sms, etc) from the simcard in an n900?
19:13.02pupnikfire
19:20.06yaccrysiek|pl, why the sim card?
19:20.30lcukrysiek|pl, what about the other information on it?
19:20.38lcukie its real actual phone number and stuff
19:20.42yaccrysiek|pl, modern mobiles, including the n900 basically do not store anything on the SIM, ...
19:20.44lcukdo you want to erase that too?
19:21.13yaccrysiek|pl, SMS are also usually automatically pulled from the SIM to the phone, as the SIM has only a limited number of buffer slots, ...
19:22.19GAN900ate way too much cheeseburger.
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19:33.40DocScrutinizerROAARR cheeezburger.
19:35.24DocScrutinizer(slots)...like some 8
19:35.59DocScrutinizeryou could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii
19:36.37DocScrutinizeror would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage
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19:38.09DocScrutinizerfor the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray
19:38.28DocScrutinizerreliably erases all types of flash memory
19:39.05nox-baseband security talk in saal2 btw
19:39.26DocScrutinizerdamn, I was about to head out for dinner
19:39.38nox-heh
19:39.56DocScrutinizerevery 7 days I need some food
19:40.27pupnikeating bad really isn't good
19:41.45DocScrutinizermeh, nothing new there. Can read up the sum-up later, or watch the video
19:41.58nox-the new stuff is later i think
19:42.30rysiek|plyacc, lcuk: the n900 is my own; the SIM card is my employer's; now I got a new SIM (and a new number) and am supposed to return the old SIM, so I want to delete all my personal and whatnot info on the SIM to be returned
19:42.55yaccrysiek|pl, there is basically no personal data on the SIM card.
19:43.06yaccrysiek|pl, the n900 does not store any contact data on the SIM.
19:43.20yaccrysiek|pl, modern phones for the last decade have not done that.
19:43.20rysiek|plrysiek|pl: the SIM card was previously used with a different phone
19:43.28rysiek|plarghs
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19:44.00rysiek|plyacc: there are personal info (contacts at the very least) on the SIM card, it has been used with different phones
19:44.19yaccrysiek|pl, did the last phone use a Name:/Surname:/Email:/... schema? If so it did not store the stuff on the SIM card, as the contacts on the SIM are a simple text string for "name" and one phone number per contact.
19:44.43yaccrysiek|pl, well, the n900 does not care for the contacts on the SIM card, I'd guess.
19:44.59rysiek|plyacc: could you please just get over the fact that yes there ARE personal contacts on this very sim card?
19:45.03DocScrutinizerwow Human Body Model surge test: 5mm spark on trying to unplug USB charger from N900. Still alive (both :-D)
19:45.54rysiek|plyacc: I can put this sim card to another phone and "import" the data to the address book there. that would suggest that the info is on the SIM card, wouldn't you agree?
19:45.57yaccrysiek|pl, could you get over the fact that the n900 does not access the contacts at all, hence no standard program will be able to modify/delete them?
19:46.21rysiek|plyacc: well, had you answered directly before I would not bother you anymore :)
19:46.43rysiek|plyacc: and yes, n900 accesses the contacts - the "Import" feature of the Contacts app ;)
19:46.56yaccrysiek|pl, in theory perhaps the pnatd thing can access the contacts via AT commands, ...
19:47.18rysiek|plyacc: well, the "import from sim" went fine last time, so apparently it does work
19:47.28yaccrysiek|pl, well, it never offered me to import the SIM numbers ;)
19:47.35nox-now `where to look for bugs'
19:47.37DocScrutinizerrysiek|pl: could you please just get over the fact that N900 didn't store these contacts and has no way to delete them either
19:47.55yaccrysiek|pl, my contacts app has no import command, wonder why?
19:48.15rysiek|plDocScrutinizer: already got over that, as soon as somebody did actually directly answer the question, thanks :)
19:48.25rysiek|plyacc: gimme a sec, my n900 is booting
19:48.31yaccAh, the German localization is crazy, "pulling contacts", ...
19:48.39DocScrutinizer[2010-12-28 20:35:59] <DocScrutinizer> you could try if pnatd would play nice with Kandy or gnokii
19:48.40DocScrutinizer[2010-12-28 20:36:36] <DocScrutinizer> or would accept direct ATcmds even to erase contacts and SMS storage
19:48.42DocScrutinizer[2010-12-28 20:38:08] <DocScrutinizer> for the *complete* erase there's probably another even better method than fire: hard X-ray
19:49.02yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, he is returning the SIM card, ....
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19:49.11rysiek|plDocScrutinizer: sorry, didn't notice your answers
19:49.20yaccDocScrutinizer: Wonder what would happen if he puts it for say 30 seconds into a microwave, ...
19:49.35rysiek|plDocScrutinizer: makes sense; but the SIM has to be operational (otherwise I would just shred it)
19:49.43yaccDocScrutinizer: You know, SIM cards go bad at the most curious moments, e.g. when he pulled it from his phone to return it :)
19:49.56rysiek|plyacc: fire up the Contacts app; tap the menu/top bar
19:49.58yaccrysiek|pl, well, shred => it's visibly dead. ;)
19:50.16rysiek|plyacc: yes. as I said, if I didn't have to return it
19:50.18yaccrysiek|pl, I found it, but it only offers import, no export, hence no way to modify SIM contacts.
19:50.25rysiek|plyacc: yup
19:50.46yaccrysiek|pl, well, the question is, why does it need to work?
19:51.10yaccrysiek|pl, why couldn't it just fail the day you return it, you know SIM cards have been known to go bad at the most curious times, ...
19:51.32yaccrysiek|pl, that's why carriers need to replace SIM cards from time to time, happened to me once or twice before, ...
19:51.47rysiek|plyacc: I work in a mobile platforms R&D lab at Warsaw Uni of Tech., founded by the largest polish mobile provider
19:51.56rysiek|plyacc: let's just say I won't play those games ;)
19:52.01DocScrutinizerhttp://www.google.de/products/catalog?q=sim+card+reader&oe=UTF-8&um=1&ie=UTF-8&cid=14448386460291042186&ei=uT8aTc_HApO7hAeWgoW3Dg&sa=X&oi=product_catalog_result&ct=image&resnum=5&ved=0CDkQ8gIwBA#
19:53.13yaccrysiek|pl, then you should know the AT commands by heart, start pnatd and see if it can modify the SIM content that way ;)
19:53.33DocScrutinizer:-D
19:53.38yacchates dumb mobiles, or to be more specific guessing around what mencoder parameters I need.
19:53.51rysiek|plyacc: I'm a sysadmin, so while I am able to write a chat script from memory I am not familiar with all AT commands ;)
19:54.01yaccDocScrutinizer: There has been a time when I would know them by heart, but that's about a decade ago ;)
19:54.12DocScrutinizer2 years
19:54.23DocScrutinizerkandy has them all, nicely listed
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19:56.43yaccLet's see if the dumb Samsung Star of my daughter can play videos encoded for an ipod, ...
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19:58.10nox-have a link DocScrutinizer? :)
19:58.51rysiek|plis kandy still supported and under development? I thought the project died
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20:01.47eppI just ordered my n900 off ebay!
20:02.29pupnikhow much
20:02.50rysiek|ploone, I suppose.
20:02.54rysiek|pl;
20:02.56rysiek|pl;)
20:03.42pupniki recall mercedes had this product policy similar to nokia
20:03.44noobmonk3yooo i'm intruiged how much they are too ;)
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20:03.49pupnikdesign one car and sell it for ten years
20:04.17pupnikat least that's how the maemo branch of the business was handled
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20:06.25yaccpupnik, what's wrong with this? The N900 looks quite okay compared to modern Android mobiles, ...
20:06.43yaccpupnik, the only thing that will be a problem at some point is the 256MB RAM thing, ...
20:09.06DocScrutinizer51http://www.easylinux.de/Artikel/ausgabe/2004/04/026-kandy/ sorry I guess it's discontinued since kde4
20:10.35pupnikyacc: i really don't understand selling phones, but as a nerd i'd enjoy seeing incremental improvements / variants
20:13.19yaccAh, one step forward, two to the side, now that %$§& says something like "unsupported format or bitrate over" (it gets cut off before telling what the allowed bitrate might be), ...
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20:15.37yaccWhy, why, stupid Samsung insists on using their own OS instead of a sensible Android (even without the Google apps as the low end phones don't meet Google's requirements), ...
20:16.55yaccsigh, my life was so much easier without females at home, ...
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20:19.18epprysiek|pl, 370 USD
20:22.30nox-o_O  gsm modules in cars directly connected to canbus...
20:23.38eppcannibus
20:23.50yaccnox-, canbus is probably not the one you want ;)
20:24.12nox-well thats what he mentioned
20:24.22nox-(the guy in saal2)
20:25.09nox-something called `driver assist'(?)
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20:28.45louis__Hi. I'm trying to transfer my contacts form my Android phone to my N900 though the "Transfer & sync" tool. The creation of the job goes fine both then it trys to get the data it just says "Failed" without any reason. Does anyone knows how to solve this problem?
20:29.06yacclouis__, Just sync your stuff from Google?
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20:30.08louis__Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy?
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20:32.21louis__yacc, yacc, Why can't I use the tool "Transfer & sync"? Is it buggy?
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20:39.00jacekowskilouis__: it's only for nokia phones as far as i know
20:40.55louis__jacekowski: Okey. Thanks.
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20:47.51DocScrutinizernox-: kdepim3-mobile [ Pfad: /opt/kde3/bin/kandy, Repository: zypp (kde3) ]  sudo zypper install kdepim3-mobile
20:48.22nox-ah, thx
20:48.35DocScrutinizeryw
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20:58.57DocScrutinizernox-: yacc: what's wrong with canbus? Except it's a bus made for Controllers, not for raw data transfer like in IP / PPP or whatever
20:59.32nox-well the talk was about gsm stack security holes exploitable over the `air'...
20:59.51DocScrutinizerOTA vs CANBUS? strange
20:59.55nox-so attacker gets control of baseband cpu -> can talk to canbus
21:00.42DocScrutinizerI might think about arbitrary GSM modules attacking the ABS I'm going to develop, via CANBUS :-D
21:00.43nox-(just as a possiblilty, but a scary one :)
21:00.54DocScrutinizeryeah
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21:01.59DocScrutinizerindeed that'd need more than just one braindead vulnerability in canbus linked controllers
21:02.20RST38h"App store milestones: Windows Phone 7 hits 5,000 as Android passes 200,000 available apps"
21:02.29RST38hWhat is this craziness anyway?
21:02.40DocScrutinizerABS can't get triggered via canbus usually. As GSM OTA can't access canbus at all
21:03.02yaccDocScrutinizer: It's a bus that is really not very useful for random data transfers, OTOH, it does make sure that each device that you've designed into it get's the allocated amount of wire time ;)
21:03.21DocScrutinizerI know canbus
21:03.50yacc;)
21:03.53DocScrutinizerI'm supposed to, to work in industry on development of canbus controlled ABS
21:04.19DocScrutinizerESP, whatever
21:06.27DocScrutinizeraen't TLAs nice? Electronic Stability Program pretends to equip the car with Extra Sensorical Perception :-P
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21:07.26yaccDocScrutinizer: 9 months in Munich in the industry as a freelancer, and I have to admit that I wonder why cars designed this way even manage to start the engine ;)
21:07.33BCMMRST38h: counts of things in "app stores" fail to account for what fraction don't actually do anything, but instead present basically static information from the website of a band or a shop or something
21:08.08DocScrutinizeryacc: Munich? nice, seems I will foolow up your footsteps
21:08.17DocScrutinizerfollow*
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21:17.01keriowait, what
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21:18.47tybollt_~sod off
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21:26.44alteregoHeh
21:27.31BCMMhttp://www.shinyhardware.co.uk/prods/showprod.asp?pid=15470 - heh, i wonder if you could use this to use an old-fashioned phone as a handset
21:27.39BCMM(found while looking for unrelated USB things)
21:29.13nox-http://www.thinkgeek.com/gadgets/electronic/7830/zoom/
21:29.15nox-:)
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21:29.28alteregoOoo, cake
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21:36.26nox-BCMM, also the modem would need voice commands, but maybe those are really standard nowadays...
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21:56.44_nicolai_Hi
21:57.06pupnikhi
21:57.50DocScrutinizererr what's wrong with apt now. She's stammering
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21:58.51DocScrutinizerhmmm OK - http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/latest.log.html#t2010-12-28T23:16:48
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22:02.30DocScrutinizernox-: thanks, was searching for this, then thought I should check your link first
22:03.09MohammadAGhey _nicolai_ :)
22:03.10nox-hehe
22:03.16DocScrutinizerBCMM: nope, the adapter you linked is a phone by itself
22:03.23nox-DocScrutinizer, a real must-have right? :)
22:04.23DocScrutinizernox-: indeed
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22:05.53_nicolai_MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?
22:05.58trumeeanybody using Sygic maps?  Was wondering what is the difference between Ovi store version and Sygic shop version.
22:07.09trumeeI want to buy the UK maps, but Sygic online shop doesnt provide them. Only ovi store does.
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22:07.23MohammadAG_nicolai_, check PM/query
22:07.36jacekowskitrumee: sygic is crap
22:07.49jacekowskitrumee: and there is open source navigation on the way
22:08.06jacekowskitrumee: as in everything except voice synthesis is there
22:08.27trumeejacekowski: i need a software which doesnt need to be connected to 3g all the time
22:08.53trumeejacekowski: Sygic is pretty cheap atm, with a christmas sale
22:09.19trumeejacekowski: but what opensource navigation are you referring to?
22:09.33jacekowskilet me just find it
22:10.20alteregotrumee: what kind of navigation do you require?
22:10.46MohammadAGffs, gitorious is down
22:10.53trumeealterego: Turn by turn navigation, something which replace my TomTom which died today.
22:11.01jacekowskitrumee: it's offline
22:11.05alteregoRight
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22:11.09jacekowskihttp://techbase.kde.org/Projects/Marble/MaemoOfflineRouting
22:11.28jacekowskitrumee: just voice is missing
22:11.37javispedroosm autorouting?
22:11.39jacekowskitrumee: but that will be there some time soon probably as it's easy part
22:11.39javispedroymmv
22:12.07trumeejacekowski: interesting, i have used marble for geotagging in digikam
22:12.14jacekowskihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316
22:14.08DocScrutinizerjacekowski: not THAT easy
22:14.23jacekowskii looked at it
22:14.47jacekowskiyou can either use festival
22:14.51jacekowskiand do full synthesis
22:14.52trumeejacekowski: interesting. How good are OSM maps compared to TeleAtlas or Navteq?
22:14.57jacekowskitrumee: better
22:14.58DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you either go TTS or natural samples
22:15.14jacekowskiand natural samples can be stolen from tomtom
22:15.16alteregosighs
22:15.23DocScrutinizerjacekowski: not really
22:15.24jacekowskiwell, support for tomtom samples can be added
22:15.30jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: why
22:15.50DocScrutinizerthere's more to natural samples than just the mere audio
22:16.01jacekowskistiching it together
22:16.18DocScrutinizergood natural samples are really really hard to implement and also to record
22:16.21alteregowill, this, debug ..
22:16.41jacekowskiwell, there are already ready samples
22:16.46jacekowskithat can be stolen from tomtom
22:16.51alteregoThat and regional samples are easier for a driver to understand without thinking about it :)
22:17.01DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you cant stitch together arbitrary samples. It sounds *awful*
22:17.14jacekowskitomtom samples are not arbitary
22:17.18jacekowskithey are prepared for it
22:17.27jacekowskiyou have 60 commands
22:17.40DocScrutinizerexactly. I *did* that for Siemens navi
22:17.43jacekowskiturn left/right/hard left/5th exit on rondabout
22:18.11DocScrutinizerI actualy knpow what I'm talking about
22:18.22DocScrutinizerI actually know what I'm talking about
22:18.29jacekowskiwell, creating samples is not an issue at the moment
22:18.38jacekowskias compatibility with tomtom samples would be nice thing
22:18.41alteregoNow, hope, this, segfaults
22:18.44jacekowskias it's just like 60 ogg files
22:19.16jacekowskidirection generating code in marble looks like it's generating directions that are almost compatible
22:19.18DocScrutinizereven stealing samples you might find yourself with like 7 "100" and 9 "left"
22:19.32DocScrutinizerand you got no clue which of those use when
22:19.41jacekowskirouting is already there
22:20.00jacekowskiand i'm amazed how simple it is
22:20.23DocScrutinizernot to mention the inter lexem pauses that are hardcoded and not part of the samples
22:20.40DocScrutinizerphonem /word / whatever
22:20.53jacekowskitomtom samples contain whole sentences
22:21.04jacekowskiso you just play one ready sample
22:21.18DocScrutinizerthat's quite limiting the number of possible guiding instructions
22:21.20jacekowskibesides, these are just details
22:21.24louis__I've bought a used Nokia N900. After typing my PIN code it says "Pin code accepted" and then the screen turns black. I can boot the phone (no SMS/Call) fine if I skip the PIN Code. Do I  need to reset the settings or why can't I log in after typing pin code?
22:21.32jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: that's good thing
22:21.49DocScrutinizerack
22:21.51ShadowJKlouis__, never heard of it doing that
22:22.17jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: because then if i have limited amount of samples i'm not going to be attacked by some unexpected stuff
22:22.31DocScrutinizerlouis__: weak worn out battery I guess
22:22.38jacekowskibut it will be just 2-3 words simple instructions
22:22.51DocScrutinizerwhen GSM starts sending, it gets a brownout
22:23.12ShadowJKIf it's used, I'd flash it anyway
22:23.18ShadowJKsee if it improves
22:23.42jacekowskiwell, in used phone everything can be messed up
22:23.45louis__The screen is black, but the back light is still on.
22:23.48trumeeok, my original question got lost in the discusson. What is the difference between Sygic (Ovi store) and Sygic (Online shop) versions?
22:23.51DocScrutinizerjacekowski: the navi I was working for had arbitrary distance, like "inn 190 meters, turn right"
22:24.06ptlna'vi?
22:24.08jacekowskiyeah same thing
22:24.13louis__And I've used it for hours without SIM card.
22:24.19DocScrutinizerlouis__: ouch
22:24.23jacekowskitomtom has two distances
22:24.26jacekowskithat depend on speed
22:24.42jacekowskii think it's above 50mph it's 2 miles and then 500 yards
22:24.52jacekowskiand at less than 50 it's something like 1.5mile
22:25.13ShadowJKI've seen reports that sygic is unable to say "yards" and just stays silent, but amusingly I had the english voice the other day and it said metres just fine :-)
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22:25.20DocScrutinizerwhat do you do for double manoevers? like "in 100 meters turn right - then after 30 meters turn right"
22:25.50jacekowskiwell, then it stiches them
22:25.53jacekowskiwith some delay
22:26.05louis__I'll charge it over night and if that doesn't help. I'll reset the settings.
22:26.11DocScrutinizerjacekowski: you'll be lost withthat TomTom in German cities
22:26.14jacekowskilouis__: not reset
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22:26.27jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i never got lost in london with it
22:26.38jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: nobody ever complained
22:26.42jacekowskilouis__: flash
22:26.50jacekowskilouis__: there is a difference
22:27.06DocScrutinizer~flash
22:27.06apti guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
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22:28.11louis__The phone has a "reset" feature but I can try to reflash it tomorrow. Thanks and good night ;)
22:28.24jacekowskireset isn't a reset
22:28.31DocScrutinizercrashanddie: I guess you noticed it by now? So I'll tell her to stfu
22:28.32jacekowskiit's just reseting user setting
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22:28.33ShadowJKit does almost nothing :)
22:28.41jacekowskibut a lot of other stuff still can be messed up
22:28.42crashanddietell her?
22:28.52louis__jacekowski: What is it when?
22:28.57crashanddieDocScrutinizer: wut?
22:29.09MohammadAGcrashanddie, <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
22:29.11DocScrutinizer[2010-12-28 23:26:24] <apt> Hi crashanddie! I'm infobot's stand-in. If infobot resurrects, please /kick me
22:29.37crashanddiewhy did she tell me that?
22:30.24DocScrutinizerbecause I told her to tell you :-D
22:30.30crashanddieoh
22:30.48DocScrutinizerinfobot is 'dea'. She's her sister
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22:30.56DocScrutinizerdead*
22:31.06crashanddiewhy is she dead?
22:31.08crashanddieWhat happened?
22:31.15DocScrutinizerthe don't play nice in same room :-P
22:31.54DocScrutinizer(what happened) dunno. Maybe somebody made infobot act up and so she got kickbanned by #freenode or sth
22:32.51DocScrutinizerapt is well, infobot is dead though thinks she's joined to all chan she ought to be. Also TimRiker not been seen online since ~24h
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22:33.44crashanddieyeah well, kinda expected this time of year
22:33.48DocScrutinizer(maybe he got kickbanned as well? X-D )
22:33.50crashanddiethough, apt shouldn't be +v
22:34.01DocScrutinizerwhy not?
22:34.24DocScrutinizernever got the root rationale for your +v'ing her anyway
22:34.29jacekowskilouis__: it's just deleting settings
22:34.33jacekowskilouis__: that's all
22:34.46jacekowskilouis__: flash is only real factory reset
22:34.51crashanddiedunno
22:34.57crashanddiejust looks nice to have her there :)
22:35.03DocScrutinizerbut it's convenient as it sorts her on top of userlist
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22:35.10louis__jacekowski: Okey. Thanks for info.
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22:40.40pupniktaiwanese make nice photoblogs
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22:47.59FauxFauxanime
22:48.02FauxFauxFUUUU
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22:55.49trumeei am installing sygic from Ovi store. Can i get hold of the deb before it is deleted?
22:55.53trumeeon the device.
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23:01.03pupniktrumee: ls /var/cache/apt/archives perhaps
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23:03.55MohammadAG/var/tmp
23:04.05MohammadAGremoved directly after installation
23:05.56pupnikaha
23:06.00alteregocontemplates skipping fixing mapping in Columbus and just implementing what he's got planned :/
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23:10.19trumeefinds Nokia DC-11 charger awesome. A charger which really charges up N900 damn quick.
23:12.21gazuneed some help
23:13.13alteregogazu: just ask, don't ask to ask.
23:13.20gazuapt-get install nokia-binaries,working only offside ofscratchbox
23:13.59alteregodon't you mean: fakeroot apt-get install nokia-binaries?
23:14.06gazuI was in the middle
23:14.39gazuyea that was i did
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23:15.34gazuI get access to that binaries only inside my box,but not in scratchbox
23:16.04gazu[sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-get install nokia-binaries nokia-apps
23:16.05gazuReading package lists... Done
23:16.05gazuBuilding dependency tree... Done
23:16.05gazuE: Couldn't find package nokia-binaries
23:16.14OEXPLhow can I create an interactive startscript(programm reads from stdin) for /etc/event.d?
23:17.28MohammadAGgazu, why did you add the line you got (with the token) to your PC's /etc/apt/sources.list file?
23:17.40MohammadAGremove it outside scratchbox, add it inside scratchbox
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23:18.03alteregosighs
23:18.23gazudidnt get it
23:18.29gazuone more time
23:18.33MohammadAGopen a terminal window
23:18.37MohammadAGnano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:19.05MohammadAGremove the line with nokia-binaries
23:19.17MohammadAGthen CTRL+O CTRL+X to exit nano
23:19.28MohammadAGnow /scratchbox/login
23:19.34MohammadAGnano /etc/apt/sources.list
23:19.36MohammadAGand add the line
23:19.45gazuahhh
23:20.01gazuthanks
23:20.31MohammadAGscratchbox is a chroot
23:20.34MohammadAGyw
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23:57.00gazuI'm getting this in the middle of the binaries's install
23:57.05gazuERROR: ld.so: object '/usr/lib/libfakeroot-sysv/libfakeroot.so.0
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