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| 00:25.43 | xim_ | after reflashing my device, im trying to selectively install the packages i went from a backup, i have the packages.backup file open and did a sudo gainroot, i made an apt-get install line with a list of the packages i want. it wont run because lots of the packages have dependancies which are not able to be installed. what could cause this? |
| 00:26.46 | xim_ | i mean of course they have dependancies, why does it say that they prerequisite packages have no installation candidate? |
| 00:32.34 | mikki-kun | looool, my n900 directory is 666MB big ^^ |
| 00:34.19 | xim_ | packages affected are: aircrack-ng, gltron, kismet, mirror, mysocials, numptyphysics, wargus, wifieye |
| 00:34.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | xim_: sorry, I don't really understand what you're doing with that backup |
| 00:35.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | why don't you use the backup app to restore the apps? |
| 00:35.41 | xim_ | i just opened the files and am looking at the xml package list inside, then adding the specific ones i want (not all the crazy ones that pwned my phone in the first place) through apt-get |
| 00:36.51 | xim_ | i have the three extras repos too |
| 00:39.15 | xim_ | nm i figured it out |
| 00:39.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | why don't you use the backup app? |
| 00:39.28 | xim_ | for some reason having the extras repo twice was screwing things up |
| 00:40.02 | xim_ | because what is the sense in restoring all the apps that fubared my phone in the first place |
| 00:40.28 | xim_ | without the ability to de select packages the backup app isn't very useful |
| 00:40.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | you don't need to install all the apps |
| 00:40.52 | xim_ | can you deselect some of them? |
| 00:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | there is a very convenient option to do that |
| 00:41.26 | xim_ | orly |
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| 00:41.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | last time I checked I think there was, yes |
| 00:41.58 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: looks like he had some trouble attaching a series of patches, and got the same patch twice twice |
| 00:42.09 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:42.18 | sp3000 | but looks like bmo went down so enough of my mess of a cleanup |
| 00:42.18 | xim_ | i didnt see it |
| 00:42.41 | sp3000 | (the other bmo, not the one relevant to this channel, ...) |
| 00:45.00 | lcuk | jacekowski, you been watching my youtubes? |
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| 01:03.18 | jacekowski | lcuk: no |
| 01:03.36 | jacekowski | lcuk: youtube just suggested me that i may be interested |
| 01:03.39 | jacekowski | so i clicked subscribe |
| 01:05.51 | jacekowski | lcuk: but i've seen all videos from you |
| 01:11.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, xim seems has left. But HAM has a selection feature for the apps to restore |
| 01:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10094 if somebody cares |
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| 02:01.33 | pupnik | RST38h: "If you need the highest performance floating point on Cortex-A8, you need to use single precision and ensure the code uses the NEON vectorized instructions" |
| 02:01.47 | pupnik | says some guy... http://elinux.org/BeagleBoard |
| 02:09.13 | ds3 | yes, VFP on the A8 is a VFP lite which is slower then NEON |
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| 02:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | still wondering why anybody needs FP. Usually it's just laziness |
| 02:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | reals aka floats that is |
| 02:20.42 | ds3 | if you need to work with very very very big vales along with very very very small values |
| 02:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | still no proper excuse |
| 02:22.06 | ds3 | how do yo represent such a big dynamic range? |
| 02:22.07 | DocScrutinizer | but sometimes a start for a rationale |
| 02:22.14 | ds3 | you |
| 02:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | IF it's really that large a DYNAMIC range the it is justified |
| 02:23.41 | ds3 | I can go along with that |
| 02:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | if the very very small are always x *10^-37 and the very large always y *10^24 and x and y have no large range, the you have no true DYNAMIC range yet |
| 02:24.59 | luke-jr | why does WebGL work fine with the N900-specific pages, but nothing generic? |
| 02:25.48 | ds3 | yep |
| 02:25.59 | DocScrutinizer | also if you have actually such a dynamic range but a precision thats so poor you can cope with maxint discrete values between min and max, you still don't need floats |
| 02:26.33 | ds3 | basically, if you can scale it, you don'tneed floats |
| 02:27.03 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: laziness plus in most cases, floats don't hurt |
| 02:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | you bet they do, on mobile devices etc |
| 02:27.36 | luke-jr | most people don't care about mobile devices yet |
| 02:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 02:27.52 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya |
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| 05:56.22 | comawhite | wow xchat is awkward on the n900 |
| 05:56.44 | comawhite | text way small |
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| 06:30.40 | comawhite | ds3, doesn't look right on non-lcd tv |
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| 07:21.44 | khertan | Morning |
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| 07:22.12 | pupnik | good morning khertan |
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| 08:12.56 | khertan | morning pupnik |
| 08:13.07 | khertan | there isn't anyone on maemo yet ? |
| 08:13.23 | khertan | everybody move to meego ? |
| 08:13.54 | RobbieThe1st | I didn't. |
| 08:14.47 | khertan | 2 people |
| 08:15.07 | khertan | RobbieThe1st, did you have admin power on maemo extras repository ? |
| 08:15.23 | RobbieThe1st | Nope |
| 08:15.29 | RobbieThe1st | I'm just a normal use |
| 08:16.28 | RobbieThe1st | *user |
| 08:17.20 | khertan | hum ... ok ... switch back to my own repository again :) |
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| 08:29.51 | shikamaru | hello there |
| 08:31.49 | Jaffa | khertan: I saw your email. Did you raise a bug? |
| 08:32.03 | Jaffa | I can escalate a bug |
| 08:32.03 | khertan | a bug ... for what ? |
| 08:32.11 | khertan | i raise 20 about this things |
| 08:32.14 | Jaffa | For your dependencies issue. |
| 08:32.18 | khertan | ah ... pfff |
| 08:32.20 | khertan | useles |
| 08:32.21 | khertan | s |
| 08:32.26 | khertan | will end to won't fix |
| 08:32.33 | Jaffa | Don't be a cock. |
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| 08:33.02 | Jaffa | I'm telling you I can make sure it is seen by the people who are paid to maintain the site and fix it. |
| 08:33.21 | Jaffa | However, I'm not going to poke them with random emails; I want something that can be tracked publicly. |
| 08:33.22 | khertan | ok try again and i ll see |
| 08:34.55 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... i'm looking to finish another round of maemo localization |
| 08:35.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm also considering banging my head against a brick wall |
| 08:37.01 | khertan | now khweeteur is broken in extras (package dependencies) |
| 08:37.16 | khertan | and broken in extras-devel new problem with new pyside update :) |
| 08:37.33 | khertan | it 's not my day |
| 08:37.34 | khertan | :) |
| 08:38.42 | khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ <<< i m the only one to not be able to access to it ? |
| 08:38.54 | timeless_mbp | joy |
| 08:39.38 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, i found the sources for "01:01 AM - 01:00 AM" |
| 08:40.03 | timeless_mbp | it uses strftime twice and then uses sprintf "%s - %s" to paste the two together |
| 08:40.17 | timeless_mbp | (in case a localizer doesn't use DASH to do pasting...) |
| 08:41.14 | timeless_mbp | ok, anyone here familiar w/ binary patching? |
| 08:41.40 | timeless_mbp | $ strings /tmp/libodsplugin.so |grep 'I:' |
| 08:41.40 | timeless_mbp | %I:%M %p |
| 08:41.45 | timeless_mbp | that needs a binary patch :) |
| 08:42.26 | timeless_mbp | shakes head |
| 08:42.26 | timeless_mbp | ja |
| 08:42.34 | khertan | Jaffa, Bug 11722 |
| 08:42.36 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11722 Promoting Khweeteur in Extras result in missing dependencies |
| 08:42.36 | timeless_mbp | Jaffa: so... Nokia Messaging is *awesome* |
| 08:43.02 | timeless_mbp | they use their own *non* localized 12 hour time format which is just <wrong> :) |
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| 08:44.08 | timeless_mbp | oh right |
| 08:44.08 | alterego | Wow, that guy really liked my UI O_O |
| 08:44.19 | timeless_mbp | can go see if "Never" is actually supported |
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| 08:49.35 | timeless_mbp | gives up |
| 08:49.38 | timeless_mbp | too complicated |
| 08:49.44 | timeless_mbp | the code at least partially pretends to support it |
| 08:49.50 | timeless_mbp | but clearly no one bothered to test it |
| 08:50.29 | khertan | lol can't connect to https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ |
| 08:59.56 | timeless_mbp | hrm, does https://bugs.maemo.org/ look like it's missing a graphic? |
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| 09:12.11 | timeless_mbp | oh joy |
| 09:12.16 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so... whatever you do |
| 09:12.38 | timeless_mbp | don't take your n900 w/o a sim into an area w/o wifi and try to add a mailbox to nokia messaging |
| 09:13.04 | timeless_mbp | when you go past the disclaimer where it warns you that it's going to send information to nokia |
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| 09:13.16 | timeless_mbp | it then tries to check for nokia messaging availability |
| 09:13.24 | timeless_mbp | to do that, it shows a progress diaog |
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| 09:13.29 | timeless_mbp | s/diaog/dialog/ |
| 09:13.41 | timeless_mbp | and then it proceeds to trigger an ICD <Connect to> dialog |
| 09:13.50 | timeless_mbp | when you cancel that, it triggers the dialog again |
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| 09:14.00 | timeless_mbp | and it will keep triggering the dialog until you admit defeat |
| 09:14.05 | delphi | lol |
| 09:14.07 | timeless_mbp | you can either: 1. let the batteries run out |
| 09:14.16 | timeless_mbp | 2. pull the battery out |
| 09:14.23 | timeless_mbp | 3. give up and give it a network |
| 09:15.05 | timeless_mbp | hrm, it seems that if you trigger flight mode from the power menu you can win, but i sure didn't think of that having tried 5+ times to dismiss the dialog :( |
| 09:15.42 | timeless_mbp | ok, using flight mode to test, it takes exactly 5 "no i really don't want to exit flight mode" presses to get the thing to give up |
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| 09:24.07 | timeless_mbp | oh right, i should file a bug about 'never' not working |
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| 09:28.10 | crashanddie | /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:119: error: prototype for 'unsigned int MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int)' does not match any in class 'MafwSourceAdapter' |
| 09:28.15 | crashanddie | /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.h:28: error: candidate is: void MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int) |
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| 09:28.34 | crashanddie | what am I missing? |
| 09:28.43 | crashanddie | oh, void |
| 09:30.00 | khertan | :) |
| 09:30.08 | Termana | That's ironic |
| 09:30.09 | Termana | :p |
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| 09:32.48 | crashanddie | khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheuleuk. |
| 09:33.00 | crashanddie | s/euk/beuk/ |
| 09:33.33 | crashanddie | Termana, opening gifts soon? |
| 09:34.32 | Termana | crashanddie, nah it's 8pm Christmas Eve here. |
| 09:34.42 | crashanddie | and? |
| 09:34.43 | Termana | Though I guess it depends on your definition of soon :p |
| 09:34.50 | crashanddie | I always open gifts on christmas eve :P |
| 09:34.54 | Termana | :p |
| 09:35.51 | khertan | crashanddie, lol ! |
| 09:36.06 | khertan | you are reading naheulbeuk now ? |
| 09:36.18 | crashanddie | nha, i used to listen to it ages ago |
| 09:36.33 | khertan | oh which zode ? |
| 09:36.39 | khertan | i didn't remember this one |
| 09:37.14 | crashanddie | khertan, 16 IIRC |
| 09:37.37 | crashanddie | though, this is from something like 5 years ago, so if I got the episode right, I'm auto-proclaiming myself alzheimer superhero |
| 09:37.54 | Termana | I was going to myself a DVD for Christmas. Until I realised it's not released until 2 days after Christmas. What kind of idiot company does that? :p |
| 09:38.09 | Termana | to buy* |
| 09:39.15 | kerio | who the hell buys DVDs |
| 09:40.43 | Termana | kerio, people who don't use iTunes and want to give money to movie companies, I suppose? |
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| 09:41.34 | Termana | Netflicks streaming and Hulu and all that crap is unavailable in Australia |
| 09:41.49 | Termana | Netflix* |
| 09:42.12 | kerio | points its finger at Teh Interwebs |
| 09:42.37 | Termana | Are you indicating I should pirate it? |
| 09:42.47 | kerio | what? no, of course not |
| 09:42.52 | Termana | Board their boats and fire cannons at them |
| 09:42.56 | Termana | :p |
| 09:42.58 | kerio | ARRRRRRRRRR |
| 09:43.00 | Termana | (kidding) |
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| 09:51.00 | khertan | Why did i bought an iphone to my wife ... cannot import contacts via bluetooth |
| 09:51.02 | khertan | mouar |
| 09:51.02 | khertan | f |
| 09:51.42 | khertan | the apple solution use the import from sim card ... hum ... but 4G iphone use micro sim card ... not the old phone |
| 09:52.43 | SpeedEvil | I think you can cut the SIM down |
| 09:53.59 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, you can |
| 09:54.08 | RobbieThe1st | The chip is far smaller than the plastic bit |
| 09:55.56 | Choom | why does apple have to make all kinds of interoperation harder? |
| 09:56.29 | RobbieThe1st | Because they are Apple |
| 09:56.54 | RobbieThe1st | You should -only- buy Apple things, and always pay the premium! |
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| 10:01.51 | khertan | <SpeedEvil> I think you can cut the SIM down <<< nope it s a really old one :) |
| 10:02.20 | khertan | i found the easiest solution |
| 10:02.35 | khertan | you want an iphone, you got an iphone |
| 10:02.43 | khertan | iphone works with iphone only |
| 10:02.51 | khertan | so enter your contacts manually |
| 10:02.52 | khertan | :) |
| 10:05.00 | kerio | khertan: wait, what? |
| 10:05.04 | kerio | just sync them via usb |
| 10:05.16 | khertan | via usb ? |
| 10:05.18 | khertan | lol |
| 10:05.26 | kerio | yeah, i know |
| 10:05.26 | kerio | : |
| 10:05.28 | kerio | er, :| |
| 10:05.34 | khertan | the older phone have bluetooth |
| 10:05.35 | kerio | see if there's something to sync via bluetooth in cydia |
| 10:05.40 | khertan | didn't have usb cable |
| 10:06.05 | khertan | cydia ... hum ... isn't something which is available after jailbreak ? |
| 10:06.35 | khertan | as jailbreaking mean more problem for a lambda user ... and i didn't want to manage the problem :) |
| 10:06.44 | khertan | rewriting it will be better |
| 10:07.05 | khertan | and maybe after that i ll not hear again that the virtual pseudo keyboard is wonderfull :) |
| 10:07.25 | kerio | to be fair the virtual kbd is not bad |
| 10:07.38 | kerio | autocorrection works fine for writing normal text |
| 10:09.05 | crashanddie | /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:31: error: undefined reference to `vtable for MafwSourceAdapter' |
| 10:09.12 | crashanddie | wtf |
| 10:16.30 | khertan | kerio, depends of size of your finger ... and language :) |
| 10:16.55 | kerio | yeah, it's a lot worse for italian |
| 10:17.24 | khertan | accent is a pain with it in french |
| 10:17.44 | khertan | sometime automatically add one when not required |
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| 10:21.20 | crashanddie | infobot, sorry? |
| 10:21.20 | infobot | ACTION appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THOSE BAD PEOPLE OVER THERE!!!" |
| 10:21.26 | RichiH | is anyone still running useful stuff on a n810? mine has been gathering dust and that's a pity |
| 10:22.35 | RichiH | crashanddie: it's a bloot bot. they have code, which i did not add, which accept me as master unless someone changes the defaults |
| 10:22.47 | khertan | RichiH, i use mine as a powerfull Hifi :) |
| 10:23.12 | RichiH | !botsnack |
| 10:23.20 | RichiH | infobot: botsnack |
| 10:23.20 | infobot | RichiH: thanks |
| 10:23.32 | crashanddie | infobot> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago |
| 10:23.45 | crashanddie | ~hate |
| 10:23.45 | infobot | Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey |
| 10:24.17 | RichiH | khertan: i was thinking more along the lines of rss reader/news display |
| 10:24.18 | crashanddie | RichiH, I guess being the FreeNode BOFH has its perks? |
| 10:24.41 | RichiH | or maybe a cheap (as i already have one) video monitoring thingie |
| 10:25.36 | RichiH | crashanddie: i think timriker added that before i was staff and just changed the user masks to follow me, but i am not 100% sure |
| 10:28.00 | crashanddie | RichiH, I guess that you could make the n810 a relatively nice in-car entertainment system |
| 10:29.08 | SpeedEvil | Or with bluetooth ODB2 thing and carman... |
| 10:29.09 | RichiH | crashanddie: it's a leased company car so i am not too keen on modifiying it. also, i don't own a single mini-sd card |
| 10:29.29 | SpeedEvil | Adaptors to micro are damn near free on ebay |
| 10:29.35 | RichiH | there is that |
| 10:30.23 | crashanddie | RichiH, or a media player controller |
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| 10:31.22 | crashanddie | RichiH, dunno if you use a computer to play movies/music, but a visual remote control that doesn't require field of view can be interesting |
| 10:32.20 | crashanddie | or as you said, a news/rss feed reader |
| 10:32.36 | crashanddie | though you'd probably want to make it so that it displays the feeds you maintain from your computer |
| 10:33.44 | crashanddie | nothing as annoying as having to pick up the device to setup a new feed and having to type a long-ass URL |
| 10:33.56 | crashanddie | anyway, off for lunch, have a good one all, merry christmas if I don't see you again |
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| 12:15.23 | cos^ | is maemo.org broken? |
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| 12:19.31 | zutesmog | yep looks like it |
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| 12:25.57 | cos^ | dang, just when i needed it |
| 12:30.21 | zutesmog | try google cache , or do you need the groups |
| 12:30.28 | cos^ | even google's cache doesn't show the pages |
| 12:30.34 | zutesmog | bummer |
| 12:30.42 | cos^ | "Connectiong to static.maemo.org.." |
| 12:31.01 | cos^ | i'd like to port some qt stuff to diablo |
| 12:31.21 | cos^ | btw has anyone noticed that the n8x0 devices are still very expensive on ebay |
| 12:32.00 | cos^ | i'd like to use them in a home cockpit project, but looks like they are still too expensive |
| 12:34.13 | cos^ | i wonder if there is Qt for 770 |
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| 12:47.49 | crashanddie | GAN900, ping |
| 12:51.52 | Jaffa | cos^: Raised with Nemein support this morning. |
| 12:54.14 | trx | DocScrutinizer , about a week ago, we talked about headsets with media player control, you said that we need to see what signals are sent |
| 12:54.23 | trx | i have everything (almost) |
| 12:55.05 | trx | as i am total idiot about those things, |
| 12:55.26 | trx | i wanted to confirm if i need to set it up parallel or serial? |
| 12:55.45 | trx | (serial i would say ) |
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| 13:02.32 | cos^ | now i'm installing diablo sdk on the side of fremantle one.. let's see if it'll work at all |
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| 13:38.05 | cos^ | not too easy :-( |
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| 13:48.26 | Termana | MERRY CHRISTMAS! |
| 13:54.49 | khertan | cos^, it s unusable since this morning for me too |
| 13:55.13 | khertan | ^^ > cos^> is maemo.org broken? |
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| 13:58.33 | cos^ | yep, it seems it's broken |
| 13:58.45 | cos^ | actually some pages load if you wait long enough |
| 13:58.50 | cos^ | but no stylesheets or images |
| 13:59.26 | m4k3r | Hello. I've just downloaded zsh from here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40111 ), and setted it as default shell using `zsh -s /bin/zsh user`; ten i turned off my n900. But now it loopes when booting at startup. |
| 13:59.39 | jacekowski | m4k3r: flash it |
| 13:59.46 | jacekowski | m4k3r: you are not supposed to do it |
| 13:59.50 | m4k3r | Oh god. Is the only way? |
| 14:00.11 | jacekowski | m4k3r: maemo depends on that busybox sh implementation |
| 14:00.40 | jacekowski | m4k3r: do you have bootmenu or something similiar? |
| 14:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 14:00.55 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 14:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | trx: the R? |
| 14:01.16 | DocScrutinizer | trx: series |
| 14:01.18 | m4k3r | Nothing, just as nokia gave me, with a few repo(âprograms) installed. |
| 14:01.41 | m4k3r | s/installed/more |
| 14:02.05 | m4k3r | jacekowski: there isn't any fallback session or similar? |
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| 14:02.43 | jacekowski | m4k3r: nope |
| 14:03.21 | m4k3r | jacekowski: I've installed ssh, any hope it starts before looping? |
| 14:03.33 | jacekowski | nope |
| 14:03.36 | m4k3r | T_T |
| 14:03.54 | m4k3r | Flashing means also lose every data in my phone? |
| 14:03.56 | jacekowski | you can disable lifeguard reboot |
| 14:04.09 | user | has anybody installed vlc on their fon |
| 14:04.13 | jacekowski | but phone is most likely not going to start anyways |
| 14:04.34 | user | i know its at alpha stages ryt? |
| 14:04.34 | DocScrutinizer-8 | RichiH: xchat on N810 :-D |
| 14:05.55 | m4k3r | jacekowski: so, what do you suggest? |
| 14:06.17 | m4k3r | No way to get into my phone's hd? |
| 14:07.11 | noobmonk3y | do you not have a backup? :P |
| 14:08.29 | crashanddie | how could this segfault: if (this->source != NULL) { |
| 14:08.34 | m4k3r | noobmonk3y: it's too old. |
| 14:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: hehe. this = 0 |
| 14:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | err NULL |
| 14:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | or crap |
| 14:12.08 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me how |
| 14:12.34 | Jaffa | Intriguing comments in meego-community from a Nokian about, I guess, harmattan: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002993.html |
| 14:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: try print this |
| 14:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | check the value |
| 14:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | I guess a stack corruption or sth can cause this-> to fail |
| 14:17.41 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: generating a assembler listing on compiling sometimes is mad useful |
| 14:17.56 | jacekowski | m4k3r: flash it |
| 14:18.05 | jacekowski | m4k3r: or try disabling lifeguard reboot |
| 14:18.12 | jacekowski | m4k3r: but most likely flash is the only way |
| 14:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: boot into rescue initsh, and kick out zsh from /etc/shells |
| 14:19.46 | crashanddie | nha |
| 14:19.52 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, found it |
| 14:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | boot process is known to fail on everything except messybox |
| 14:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what's it been? |
| 14:21.54 | m4k3r | Why is wiki.maemo.org so slow? |
| 14:21.57 | m4k3r | =_= |
| 14:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: zsh? disabling WD won't help |
| 14:22.04 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, i defined this->source last in the constructor, while higher up in the constructor it was calling methods that used this->source in effect before the object had finished being created |
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| 14:22.17 | jacekowski | m4k3r: oh |
| 14:22.24 | jacekowski | m4k3r: then you can only flash it |
| 14:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 14:22.41 | jacekowski | m4k3r: but you can do combined image flash only |
| 14:22.53 | jacekowski | m4k3r: so it shouldn't delete MyDocs and stuff |
| 14:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: you seen my advice? |
| 14:23.31 | m4k3r | jacekowski: yep, the wiki said about a rootfs flashing way. |
| 14:23.47 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: yes, but I don't know initsh, and wiki.maemo.org is slow. |
| 14:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 14:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | HTH |
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| 14:25.58 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: thanks. But it seems to involve the same flashing utilities. |
| 14:26.46 | BluesLee | maemo.org is down .. any infos on that? |
| 14:27.02 | m4k3r | Since also rootfs flashing keeps my personal data, I could clean up my phone. |
| 14:27.25 | DocScrutinizer | too many xmas gifts to flash :-D |
| 14:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's not down, just slow and shaky |
| 14:29.10 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: also, how is currently MeeGo on n900, still too imature? |
| 14:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | at least wiki.m.o |
| 14:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | for me yes |
| 14:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | still a developer kindergarden |
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| 14:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | BluesLee: what exactly is down for you? |
| 14:36.07 | BluesLee | DocScrutinizer: ping www.maemo.org PING maemo.org (80.248.164.250) 56(84) bytes of data |
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| 14:42.27 | cos^ | is there any way to dpkg -i without running the pre/post scripts? |
| 14:42.55 | cos^ | i'm stuck with gconf2's /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user |
| 14:43.23 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 14:43.25 | m4k3r | .-(~/n900-rescue)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(maker@tumbolandia)- |
| 14:43.25 | m4k3r | `--> rpm2cpio kernel-n900-*.rpm | cpio -vid ./boot/vmlinuz* |
| 14:43.25 | m4k3r | zsh: no matches found: ./boot/vmlinuz* |
| 14:45.31 | cos^ | perhaps i just should create a second sb installation just for diablo :-/ |
| 14:45.57 | jacekowski | cos^: there is |
| 14:46.08 | jacekowski | cos^: man dpkg |
| 14:46.21 | jacekowski | dpkg -x |
| 14:46.51 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: this isn't written for zsh. If you use '/boot/vmlinuz*' instead of /boot/vmlinuz* then it might work |
| 14:47.02 | cos^ | jacekowski: ok, looks like i missed it |
| 14:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | zsh is quite a bit different it seems, compared to korn shell |
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| 14:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: oops, make that './boot/vmlinuz*' |
| 14:49.09 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: yes, works, thy. |
| 14:49.29 | cos^ | jacekowski: -x extracts the package |
| 14:49.46 | cos^ | i just need -i without running the scripts (or ignoring errors) |
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| 14:54.57 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: done, but the recovery terminal hasn't neither chsh neither vim. |
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| 15:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: it has busybox functionality, which also provides vi |
| 15:09.05 | DocScrutinizer | >> |
| 15:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | Start recovery terminal (T) |
| 15:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:09.16 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: and I should just remove zsh from /etc/shells? |
| 15:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | yes. |
| 15:09.28 | m4k3r | or s/zsh/sh? |
| 15:09.41 | m4k3r | Let's look how the file is like. |
| 15:09.43 | jacekowski | cos^: -x + scripts= -i |
| 15:09.56 | jacekowski | cos^: so -i without scripts = -x |
| 15:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | also replace zsh by sh in /etc/passwd, for user "user" (29999 iirc) |
| 15:10.42 | jacekowski | m4k3r: and don't fuck around with that sort of stuf without a backup |
| 15:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: a backup wouldn't help too much here |
| 15:12.10 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: Gh, I can't type '/' char xD |
| 15:12.12 | jacekowski | it would |
| 15:12.16 | m4k3r | This is so lol. |
| 15:12.18 | jacekowski | he could just flash it |
| 15:12.22 | jacekowski | without any problems |
| 15:12.23 | jacekowski | http://i.imgur.com/dNhrL.png |
| 15:13.16 | DocScrutinizer | m4k3r: hmm, sorry I can't reproduce this here ATM. I guess there's some weird way you can type a / |
| 15:14.09 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer: Yes, it's an italian n900. |
| 15:14.22 | m4k3r | I think it has to do with this. |
| 15:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you got US kbd layout in rescue initrd - I'd bet |
| 15:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | on my US kbd the / is blue-V |
| 15:15.57 | jacekowski | it should be same |
| 15:16.03 | m4k3r | On mine it doesn't type nothing. |
| 15:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | or: cd etc; sed -i s.zsh.sh. shells |
| 15:16.48 | m4k3r | lol |
| 15:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | or cd etc; vi shells |
| 15:17.06 | m4k3r | And hot to type ':'? |
| 15:17.09 | m4k3r | *how to |
| 15:17.19 | m4k3r | Same as '/' |
| 15:17.58 | m4k3r | has found '<' and '>' chars o/ |
| 15:18.07 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I never tested the initrd console. No idea what the meego guys implemented there |
| 15:18.50 | m4k3r | I can't type neither '-' |
| 15:18.53 | m4k3r | Shit. |
| 15:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | you tried all the keys (with blue and with shift-blue)? |
| 15:19.37 | m4k3r | And with Maiusc. |
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| 15:23.14 | ShadowJK | wtf does "plugin-container" in fennec do when it doesn't have any plugins enabled |
| 15:23.25 | ShadowJK | 61M RSS |
| 15:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | hi ShadowJK :-D |
| 15:24.17 | SpeedEvil | hits ShadowJK with the RSS does not matter stick. |
| 15:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | hi SpeedEvil |
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| 15:24.58 | ShadowJK | where is the disable plugins button :-( |
| 15:25.02 | SpeedEvil | Hi! |
| 15:25.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.selenic.com/smem/ - pss/uss is good |
| 15:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | any advice or hint for m4k3r and his fubar kbd under meego recue initrd? |
| 15:25.59 | SpeedEvil | get a picture of the keyboard it is emulating. |
| 15:26.38 | SpeedEvil | http://xkcd.com/ :) |
| 15:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: where's the binary of smem for N900? |
| 15:31.11 | m4k3r | Neither setkey grub option works. |
| 15:31.59 | SpeedEvil | it's python |
| 15:32.07 | SpeedEvil | It 'just works' |
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| 15:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 15:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 15:42.12 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: the tarball http://www.selenic.com/smem/download/smem-0.9.tar.gz has a smemcap.c though |
| 15:42.49 | ShadowJK | it's somewhat slower than microb :-( |
| 15:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | fennec? not surprised |
| 15:44.18 | ShadowJK | the new one that was linked on theregister is much faster than the old ones that had a minute pause to scroll, though |
| 15:44.22 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: that's to make pretty graphs |
| 15:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 15:45.21 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: RSS does matter |
| 15:45.27 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: why? |
| 15:45.36 | jacekowski | because that's real memory used by program |
| 15:45.39 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: It's not |
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| 15:45.52 | SpeedEvil | It's the real memory used by the program, plus the libraries |
| 15:46.02 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.02 | SpeedEvil | but the libraries can be multiply mapped. |
| 15:46.06 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:46.29 | SpeedEvil | So libc is mapped by every process, and counts fully towards each processes RSS |
| 15:46.39 | SpeedEvil | when in fact it's only in memory once. |
| 15:46.40 | ShadowJK | open new tab, try open another new tab, takes bloody ages. Maybe it's waiting for the tab in background to finish loading first. That's exactly the opposite of what I want. I use tabs because I don't want to wait a minute each for each interesting link to load. |
| 15:47.00 | jacekowski | well |
| 15:47.03 | jacekowski | RSS-SHR |
| 15:47.28 | SpeedEvil | SHR is very inaccurate |
| 15:47.40 | SpeedEvil | the above tool goes and counts the mappings. |
| 15:48.05 | SpeedEvil | Which reveals that the memory use of many stock maemo little tools is really quite small indeed |
| 15:48.29 | SpeedEvil | Anyway. |
| 15:48.33 | SpeedEvil | gets in the shower. |
| 15:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | HELL! updating xchat brought back that annoying blue led flashing on highlights |
| 15:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | and *MUHAHA* for /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces to delimit the commands |
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| 15:52.44 | RST38h | No new packages |
| 15:54.27 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: restored the plugin I used to "delete" |
| 15:54.30 | ShadowJK | 350M swap use.. I'd say that's real :) |
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| 15:54.33 | Clopin | Heya |
| 15:54.43 | Clopin | Does anybody use MeeGo on their n900 as default yet? |
| 15:55.10 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: check /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces |
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| 15:57.18 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: any chances to get a "increment Text box font PT" and "decrement..." command, to map that to some key shortcuts of my liking? |
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| 16:02.02 | ShadowJK | changes his N9 wishlist, changing ram from 1G to 2G after trying fennec ... |
| 16:02.22 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: i.e. have a "Action" (context Xchat Keyboard Shortcuts) that directly accesses what you normally can do via Xchat->Settings->Preferences: "[Text box]","Font:"->[Browse...]->"Size:" |
| 16:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Try Kino and make that 16G :-P |
| 16:04.57 | RST38h | Doc: I am currently in no position to look at it (NY party, children running everywhere, screaming) |
| 16:05.18 | RST38h | Doc: So, let us postpone to by a day or two :) |
| 16:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure :-) just asking about the chances... |
| 16:05.41 | RST38h | ShadowJK: For Fennec, you probably want to set that to "infinity" =) |
| 16:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | "postpone" sounds like a fair chance |
| 16:07.34 | RST38h | ShadowJK: Swappiness of 30% and no other apps running (other than lightweight bultin ones that is) make latest Fennec beta somewhat bearable though |
| 16:09.40 | ShadowJK | as far as cpu goes, 600MHz Cortex A8 seems just fine for fennec |
| 16:10.12 | ShadowJK | So I'd need a second device to run just fennec on, and some way to copy/paste between the two devices |
| 16:10.22 | ShadowJK | 'd call it regression :-) |
| 16:10.28 | RST38h | Use the camera for cut&paste! |
| 16:11.00 | m4k3r | DocScrutinizer, jacekowski: flashed, all ok. Thank you. |
| 16:11.05 | kerio | i want 8gb of ram on my n9 |
| 16:11.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | m4k3r: glad to hear |
| 16:11.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | that |
| 16:12.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: palmpilot design: all memory is also storage |
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| 16:13.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | greatly simplifies a lot of things |
| 16:13.53 | SpeedEvil | Killing microb can help for fennec |
| 16:14.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | basically they had all storage memmapped |
| 16:14.11 | RST38h | Doc: That should rather be called lack of design |
| 16:15.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: there are advantages. zero loading times just one of them |
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| 16:16.59 | RST38h | Doc: and if power goes down... well. |
| 16:17.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | they had ram shadowed by flash in some of their devices. others had cmos ram |
| 16:18.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | on those it was pretty bad to not charge the device for >8 weeks |
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| 16:18.29 | RST38h | Well,at the end, they had "68000"shadowed by an ARM running 68000 emulation |
| 16:19.06 | RST38h | And had 160x160 display size shadowed by the 320x320 display size, inside a 480x320 screen that has been partially used for a trackpad |
| 16:19.37 | RST38h | All these weird behavioral patterns are summarily known as "lack of design" |
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| 16:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ack |
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| 16:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | suffers from a lack of xmas-free resorts, to get some normal food or a drink or anything. 24.12. is so MEH in D |
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| 16:47.20 | SpeedEvil | Does nokia make an equivalent of the 3310 anymore? |
| 16:47.27 | SpeedEvil | Has the 1100 gone away? |
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| 17:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://xkcd.com/835/ hehe |
| 17:02.57 | araujo | thinks he has seen DocScrutinizer somewhere else |
| 17:03.40 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: I have a strange compulsion to make one of those trees |
| 17:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | I got a lot of symlinks pointing at me :-P |
| 17:03.54 | SpeedEvil | Also - the latest one is cool too |
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| 17:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:04.33 | araujo | anybody knows where can I find qmake?, do I need some extra repo? |
| 17:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | errr, for N900? |
| 17:05.06 | araujo | DocScrutinizer, correct |
| 17:05.27 | DocScrutinizer | I guess it's included in the scratchbox SDK |
| 17:05.50 | DocScrutinizer | not sure about it, might as well be x86 based there |
| 17:05.55 | RST38h | qmake is shipped with Madde |
| 17:06.08 | RST38h | In scratchbox, you have to install proper packages |
| 17:06.39 | DocScrutinizer | so, generally speaking, it *might* live in tools repo |
| 17:07.14 | araujo | RST38h, ah I see, trying now ... |
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| 17:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake |
| 17:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | libqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files |
| 17:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev |
| 17:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | ***BOOM*** |
| 17:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 17:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache show libqt4-experimental-dev|wc -l |
| 17:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | 144 |
| 17:10.36 | araujo | there you have ... though I don't get any result with apt-cache search qmake |
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| 17:11.22 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:11.34 | araujo | DocScrutinizer, I think that is part of an extra repo? |
| 17:11.44 | araujo | that package is not available in my default config |
| 17:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | tools |
| 17:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | as suspected above |
| 17:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | I guess |
| 17:12.37 | araujo | oh right, thanks |
| 17:15.43 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | so not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems |
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| 17:17.30 | sobczyk | anyone encountered skype crash? |
| 17:18.07 | sobczyk | on n900 |
| 17:18.08 | DocScrutinizer | hardly. Never used skype |
| 17:20.51 | jpinx-eeepc | sobczyk: don't take anythignrecent about skype too seriously - they are having major issues these days |
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| 17:22.04 | sobczyk | I wanted to test the skype video and apparently it ahnged |
| 17:22.09 | araujo | DocScrutinizer, it seems it is not in tools |
| 17:22.23 | sobczyk | hanged. Orange LED is constantly on |
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| 17:23.37 | MohammadAG | Autonomous charge |
| 17:25.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nope. that's red and indicates frontcam on |
| 17:25.49 | MohammadAG | ah |
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| 17:29.06 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_activate string:PatternWebcamActive |
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| 17:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | if skype segfaults, odds are this never gets reset |
| 17:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | unless you do a dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mce /com/nokia/mce/request com.nokia.mce.request.req_led_pattern_deactivate string:PatternWebcamActive |
| 17:32.25 | crashanddie | or there's another anagram: "Merry Satan appearances; why dry him?" |
| 17:32.25 | MohammadAG | back |
| 17:32.43 | MohammadAG | Merry Christmas everyone :) |
| 17:32.54 | DocScrutinizer | sobczyk: you can always try to press ctl-bs and then hit the close [x] of skype in the thumbnail |
| 17:32.59 | MohammadAG | passes the beer around |
| 17:33.04 | crashanddie | control-bs? |
| 17:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd be happy to get some |
| 17:33.15 | MohammadAG | Controlled Bullshit |
| 17:33.18 | crashanddie | That's a button we need in this channel... To control the bullshit of some :) |
| 17:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | heheh |
| 17:33.42 | MohammadAG | passes a noobmonk3y on the side |
| 17:33.55 | MohammadAG | i'm impressed |
| 17:34.00 | MohammadAG | two batteries in a die |
| 17:34.08 | MohammadAG | err, day |
| 17:34.28 | MohammadAG | 2G ftw, till you try to open youtube |
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| 17:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: known. Ever tried that autoconnect or whatever it's called? |
| 17:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | description claims it auto-switches to 3G "when needed" |
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| 17:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | I honestly doubt that'll run smoothly, on most networks. DHCP will give you a new lease with different IP |
| 17:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | -> xchat and lots of other services need to reconnect |
| 17:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | established TCP-connects will stall |
| 17:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | etc |
| 17:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | so I never tried it |
| 17:38.24 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: not if you run VPN over it |
| 17:38.29 | luke-jr | or other tunnels |
| 17:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: true |
| 17:38.50 | luke-jr | what it needs is seamless handover |
| 17:39.05 | luke-jr | connect to 3G before it loses WiFi, establish new VPN connection, then terminate old stuff |
| 17:40.24 | DocScrutinizer-8 | luke-jr: not feasible for 2G-»3G |
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| 17:41.32 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer-8: perhaps |
| 17:43.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you could hope for 3G accepting and serving a DHCP-request for the previously used IP. And hope for maemo doing that right |
| 17:48.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: works for me |
| 17:49.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: on forced switch 2G<->3G? |
| 17:50.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: this isn't a usual handover. It's tearing down the GPRS and then switches band and re-establishes |
| 17:52.21 | jacekowski | not on forced switch |
| 17:52.28 | jacekowski | on proper nice handover |
| 17:53.26 | alterego | to the bar! |
| 17:53.36 | alterego | gets a round of drinks in :) |
| 17:53.39 | pupnik | evenin |
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| 17:57.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: yeah, exactly what I thought |
| 17:58.29 | DocScrutinizer-8 | jacekowski: I'd not even expect maemo to handle this in a way it *could* work |
| 17:59.13 | jacekowski | i doubt t would work at all |
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| 17:59.39 | jacekowski | ip addresses are assigned by radius/diameter and you have no choice but accept |
| 18:00.01 | SpeedEvil | you can refuse |
| 18:00.35 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah. usually when you tear down GPRS you give back the lease. then DHCP server won't reuse same IP for quite a time |
| 18:01.32 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though it *could* |
| 18:01.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | assign IP to IMSI |
| 18:02.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | reuse it on next lease request |
| 18:02.57 | DocScrutinizer-8 | each silly DSL-router works like this, based on MAC instead of IMSI |
| 18:03.57 | trx | yeah |
| 18:04.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nevertheless your sessions in network NAT will get discarded on GPRS teardown |
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| 18:04.05 | trx | but in some cases it is usefull |
| 18:04.32 | kerio | i use a fixed ip on my cool router |
| 18:04.50 | SpeedEvil | np: Westlife - Sessions in the NAT. |
| 18:05.01 | DocScrutinizer-8 | so a forced 2G->3G switching is unlikely to go by unnoticed to established TCP connections |
| 18:05.29 | SpeedEvil | slaps his VPN on the table with a meaty thud. |
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| 18:09.41 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: well, i had a gsm connection with public static ip some time ago |
| 18:09.48 | jacekowski | one of polish carriers ofer it |
| 18:09.51 | jacekowski | offer* |
| 18:09.59 | jacekowski | but not for free |
| 18:10.02 | DocScrutinizer-8 | nice |
| 18:10.19 | SpeedEvil | Here it's natted to buggery. |
| 18:10.55 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though I'd really appreciate a NAT/FW to block random bogus pings to my mobile from the internets |
| 18:11.06 | DocScrutinizer-8 | will suck battery for nuttin |
| 18:11.24 | kerio | runs a ping -f docscrutinizer.dyndns.org |
| 18:11.36 | SpeedEvil | I'd love widespread authentication |
| 18:11.58 | SpeedEvil | Packets without the right key get thrown away at the border router |
| 18:13.18 | DocScrutinizer-8 | well, as this type of authentication seems isn't any welknown standard, you could as well use a symmetric NAT for that |
| 18:13.41 | jacekowski | sort of no |
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| 18:14.31 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer-8: RFC2385 |
| 18:15.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | err, thanks. will look at it later |
| 18:15.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | tossing pointer over to DocScrutinizer |
| 18:16.37 | araujo | anybody knows which package or repo contains qmake? |
| 18:17.00 | DocScrutinizer-8 | hell |
| 18:17.04 | jacekowski | that's qt related |
| 18:17.09 | jacekowski | probably qt-something-dev |
| 18:17.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | we told you, didn't we? |
| 18:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:15:43] <DocScrutinizer> /var/lib/apt/lists/repository.maemo.org_extras-devel_dists_fremantle-1.2_free_binary-armel_Packages |
| 18:17.58 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:16:21] <DocScrutinizer> so not tools but rather extras-devel, it seems |
| 18:17.59 | DocScrutinizer |  |
| 18:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search qmake |
| 18:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 18:08:36] <DocScrutinizer> libqt4-experimental-dev - Qt 4 development files |
| 18:19.14 | araujo | DocScrutinizer, heh, so many channels that If I don't get highlighted I can easily lose tracking the conversation, thanks again :) |
| 18:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 18:20.54 | RST38h | wonders what all these people are doing here on the Christmas Eve |
| 18:21.12 | jacekowski | i don't believe in christmas |
| 18:21.28 | luke-jr | still tomorrow |
| 18:22.14 | luke-jr | RST38h: what else? |
| 18:22.27 | kerio | to my defense, i'm a nerd |
| 18:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: hoping for a place where I don't have to cope with it |
| 18:23.23 | Choom | I kinda share the sentiment |
| 18:23.28 | Choom | not about christmas but about people |
| 18:23.44 | Choom | I like christmas, just don't like to have people around |
| 18:23.50 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: now you introduce this icky topic even here, to my last resort |
| 18:23.55 | Choom | the environment is nice |
| 18:24.50 | RST38h | Doc: It is ok, I can start quoting random SCP articles if you wish=) |
| 18:25.28 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: to sum up the RFC. Jam an md5 hash of the packet and a secret known to both sides into the TCP header. Reciever can verify by doing hte inverse hash |
| 18:25.52 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: no key negotiation, nothing, it just goes in all TCP packets of a connection. |
| 18:27.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | sender IP and port, though can be spoofed, usually will serve same purpose |
| 18:28.14 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 18:28.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | == NAT |
| 18:29.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | specifically symmetric NAT |
| 18:29.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | though I hate the term |
| 18:30.27 | DocScrutinizer-8 | I think PNAT is the correct term |
| 18:31.25 | DocScrutinizer-8 | meh peanuts |
| 18:36.52 | DocScrutinizer | btw: since I swapped the battery in my N810, there's not been a single (unsolicited nor any other) reboot :-D |
| 18:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | seems bme keeping battery floating @ Vmax for 2 years is more than enough to make the cell act up |
| 18:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | let's wait and see - there've been uptimes of >30 days even with the "old worn out" battery |
| 18:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | not recently though |
| 18:42.23 | MohammadAG | RST38h, well, I don't celebrate it, and I was out all day :P |
| 18:42.28 | DocScrutinizer-8 | [1|user@Nokia-N810-23-14|~]uptime -> 19:41:17 up 13 days, 13:07, load average: 0.33, 0.26, 0.19 |
| 18:46.11 | araujo | mm... now I get broken deps for installing libqt4-experimental-dev ..... |
| 18:51.14 | DocScrutinizer-8 | MohammadAG: h-e-n GUI still calling vboost.sh? |
| 18:51.59 | MohammadAG | that or vbuson.sh, can't remember exactly |
| 18:52.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | np |
| 18:52.16 | DocScrutinizer-8 | thanks |
| 18:54.49 | pupnik | arr |
| 18:55.01 | MohammadAG | gdi |
| 18:55.10 | MohammadAG | how the hell do I get current volume level |
| 18:55.19 | pupnik | has anyone run hildon-desktop and assorted crud on a non-n900 device? |
| 18:55.31 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 18:55.35 | MohammadAG | it's on youtube |
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| 18:56.23 | pupnik | i wanted to remove some annoyances from chrome/chromium browser and it takes 10 gigabytes to build |
| 18:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'd guess there's that abomination called gconf to ask for volume level |
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| 19:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I mean, IF that were a *sane* system with respect to audio, then you'd do a amixer -c 0 cget numid=17 |
| 19:01.26 | MohammadAG | it's not gconf DocScrutinizer |
| 19:01.32 | DocScrutinizer | alas I doubt this will pan out in the end, for this PA crap |
| 19:01.58 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:02.29 | DocScrutinizer | coughs |
| 19:02.51 | DocScrutinizer | always starts coughing when somebody says mafw |
| 19:03.47 | RST38h | Where is your enthusiasm? |
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| 19:04.11 | MohammadAG | RST38h, he left it at tmo |
| 19:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | abstraction layer on a audio framework doing mixing on behalf of for a sound server doing mixing on begalf and while using ALSA |
| 19:04.50 | RST38h | coooool |
| 19:05.04 | RST38h | so every code monkey inthis chain gets to do mixing, with passion |
| 19:05.37 | RST38h | Have I told you that I also do mixing, before pumping audio out to the simple_pa API? =) |
| 19:05.44 | pupnik | can i change an X resource key in realtime? |
| 19:05.57 | MohammadAG | kinda fell and slid on his N900 :P |
| 19:06.16 | pupnik | hm n |
| 19:06.17 | MohammadAG | no scratches :D |
| 19:06.27 | araujo | DocScrutinizer, a question, do you actually have qmake installed? |
| 19:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 19:06.40 | MohammadAG | on the N900? |
| 19:06.46 | araujo | yes MohammadAG |
| 19:06.56 | MohammadAG | the one in the repos won't work |
| 19:07.01 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not THAT crazy :-P |
| 19:07.17 | araujo | MohammadAG, can you point me out to the one that does? :) |
| 19:07.19 | MohammadAG | bug 11445 |
| 19:07.20 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11445 Package libqt4-dev 4.7.0~git20100909-0maemo1+0m5_armel.deb contains Intel386 binaries |
| 19:07.29 | MohammadAG | see the last comment |
| 19:07.33 | araujo | ok, thanks! |
| 19:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 19:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ egoshin |
| 19:11.19 | DocScrutinizer | ponders idly what's the number of names he frequently runs into when looking up any maemo development related stuff |
| 19:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | actually not that large a number |
| 19:11.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, aren't we like 20 users? |
| 19:12.02 | MohammadAG | take or take a few? |
| 19:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:12.12 | MohammadAG | (see what I did there?) |
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| 19:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | SHR (on N900) progress is incredible, given their noticeably <1dozen devels |
| 19:14.00 | MohammadAG | SHR? |
| 19:14.06 | MohammadAG | recalls seeing the name |
| 19:14.31 | MohammadAG | A minute of silence for the devs we lost, either to the trolls, or MeeGo |
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| 19:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org |
| 19:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://shr-project.org/trac/wiki/Hardware |
| 19:16.19 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why did they blur out Jesus's number? |
| 19:16.34 | DocScrutinizer | wut? |
| 19:17.14 | MohammadAG | http://shr-project.org/trac/attachment/wiki/Screenshots/contacts3_.png :P |
| 19:19.38 | RST38h | Finally, a real Jesus pic |
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| 19:28.55 | noobmonk3y | happy christmas alls! time to head out for a good old xmas eve out :0 |
| 19:30.56 | araujo | now anybody knows the repo for libgles2-sgx-img-dev ? |
| 19:30.57 | araujo | ... |
| 19:31.03 | MohammadAG | throws a bottle of wine to noobmonk3y |
| 19:33.06 | noobmonk3y | grins |
| 19:33.09 | noobmonk3y | evening Mo :0 |
| 19:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | opens up the cheesy cheap PET bottle of Cuban rum |
| 19:34.46 | MohammadAG | hey noobmonk3y :) |
| 19:35.41 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, is there a way to get current volume level with Qt? |
| 19:35.45 | noobmonk3y | right booze is awaiting, have a lovely xmas alls! |
| 19:35.49 | noobmonk3y | oh erm |
| 19:35.50 | noobmonk3y | waits |
| 19:35.53 | noobmonk3y | erm... errrr. |
| 19:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | Amazing! The Antimon is hardly detectable |
| 19:36.09 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, in the next release of mobility supposedly, not yet |
| 19:36.25 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh well, thanks |
| 19:36.29 | MohammadAG | enjoy your night :) |
| 19:36.35 | noobmonk3y | they haven't touched on the lower levels yet.... its literally things like play, rewind etc, volume + hardware is next |
| 19:37.03 | noobmonk3y | meant multimedia, but meh, will be the same time... again, supposedly |
| 19:37.30 | noobmonk3y | assuming the nokia news is right, should be january/feb |
| 19:37.46 | noobmonk3y | but then the n900 coming out in august/sept... cough *december* lol |
| 19:37.51 | MohammadAG | My mediaplayer needs to be out before then |
| 19:38.07 | noobmonk3y | hmmm, can you use n900 tools till then, then upgrade? |
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| 19:38.29 | MohammadAG | well |
| 19:38.31 | noobmonk3y | meant n900 specific* |
| 19:38.35 | MohammadAG | I don't need to, I'm using mafw :P |
| 19:38.38 | noobmonk3y | :p |
| 19:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | HEY, I also have a Cuban cigar left over somewhere |
| 19:38.50 | MohammadAG | mafw is N900 specific so :) |
| 19:39.08 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't there a local bar? :P |
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| 19:39.20 | noobmonk3y | ooo cuban |
| 19:39.23 | MohammadAG | wants to go out somewhere |
| 19:39.23 | noobmonk3y | is jealous |
| 19:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | on xmess eve? you're kidding |
| 19:39.32 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, get your ass over to the UK :) |
| 19:39.46 | noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, local bars are great on xmas eve! |
| 19:39.53 | noobmonk3y | just dont go into towns :P |
| 19:40.23 | noobmonk3y | 's taxi... erm.... girlfriend isn't back, so , brb ciggy! |
| 19:40.42 | MohammadAG | noobmonk3y, oh, I wish |
| 19:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | here it's "quiet earth" http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.JPG&imgrefurl=http://www.nzvideos.org/quietCD.html&h=309&w=304&sz=25&tbnid=xTdp1OKVis_FuM:&tbnh=117&tbnw=115&prev=/images?q=quiet+earth&zoom=1&q=quiet+earth&usg=__KBTIKXFVOVkLoP8XVeSsrrgTvzA=&sa=X&ei=MPcUTeKAAoyv8QOSn4SEBw&ved=0CC4Q9QEwBA |
| 19:41.15 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't germany's beer the best? :P |
| 19:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | Frankonian beer is best |
| 19:41.28 | MohammadAG | there we go again |
| 19:41.38 | MohammadAG | again with the "Die"s at the first of the sentence |
| 19:41.56 | MohammadAG | dies |
| 19:42.26 | MohammadAG | is annoyed at the "Plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz", "heeeeeeeeellppppppp" "!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!" keywords on tmo |
| 19:43.07 | pupnik | lol |
| 19:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Quiet_Earth_(film) |
| 19:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: plzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz NUUUUUUUUUUUKE |
| 19:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | luuuuuuuuuuuuzers |
| 19:44.18 | pupnik | 'xyz beers are the best' is probably the wrong way to think about it |
| 19:44.26 | noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, i agree entirely... wtf ... plzzzzz? that realllly annoys me! |
| 19:44.38 | pupnik | 'xyz has many/few good beers of type jkl' |
| 19:44.51 | pupnik | 'germany has many good beers of type pilsner' |
| 19:45.07 | pupnik | 'england has many good beers of type ale' |
| 19:45.14 | noobmonk3y | and sluts but anyway |
| 19:45.38 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 19:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: ack, though most good beers here aren't type Pilsener, rather Lager or Keller |
| 19:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | the good German Pilsener are all from North |
| 19:47.06 | pupnik | a fresh hoppy taste blends well with alcohol. it's like dressing it in clean linens |
| 19:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 19:48.00 | pupnik | so i'm looking at angstrom, and looking at hildon-desktop |
| 19:48.09 | pupnik | and thinking "why not jazz-up angstrom with it" |
| 19:48.11 | pupnik | thoughts? |
| 19:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | something's biting my neck |
| 19:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | nothing "LOS MARINOS" (with tasty Antimon) couldn't cure |
| 19:52.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.rumshop.it/rumlosmarinospaticruzado3anni-p-745.html?language=en |
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