| 00:00.09 | nox- | ~1 is the same as 1 xorg -1 |
| 00:00.09 | infobot | ...but 1 is already something else... |
| 00:00.18 | nox- | err xor |
| 00:00.27 | javispedro | nice operator |
| 00:00.29 | MohammadAG | ~1 |
| 00:00.29 | infobot | 1 is a number, silly |
| 00:00.33 | nox- | .oO(i did it again... :) |
| 00:00.38 | MohammadAG | fuck off infobot :) |
| 00:00.43 | MohammadAG | ~2 |
| 00:00.44 | infobot | It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. |
| 00:01.08 | alterego | Okay, stopped working now. So I've reproduced it .. |
| 00:01.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~ 0b0001 |
| 00:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~ 0xFF |
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| 00:02.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~ 8044918913761641 * 984298136376 |
| 00:02.40 | infobot | 7918598694111617990178897920 |
| 00:03.03 | javispedro | hits gentoo |
| 00:03.13 | javispedro | so they dropped dbus' .la files, great. |
| 00:03.37 | alterego | Okay, seems the problem is something to do with my plugins .. |
| 00:04.08 | MohammadAG | ~1/0 |
| 00:04.18 | nox- | ~ 1/0 |
| 00:04.25 | nox- | ~ ~1 |
| 00:04.26 | MohammadAG | ~ 1 / 0 |
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| 00:05.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: let's take -4. 4=0b0010 -> 0b1101 -> 0b1110. then let's take +4. -4=0b1110 -> 0b0001 -> 0b0010 which is exactly the same as the binary form of 4 |
| 00:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | eeeh? |
| 00:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | in my book 4 = 0b0100 |
| 00:06.12 | alterego | :) |
| 00:06.13 | Venemo | oh, sorry, typo'd |
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| 00:06.54 | MohammadAG | tries to sleep, o/ |
| 00:07.34 | Venemo | so 4 is 0b0100 -> ~4 is 0b1011 -> ~4+1 is 0b1100, so the two's compliment of -4 is 0b1100. that correct? |
| 00:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | 0b0010 = +2 0b1110 = -2 |
| 00:08.22 | Venemo | as I said, I typo'd in the previous one, but right, that was 2 and not 4 |
| 00:08.47 | DocScrutinizer | no, the two's complement of 4 is 0b1100 |
| 00:09.17 | DocScrutinizer | or -4 |
| 00:09.24 | Venemo | that's what I said |
| 00:09.26 | alterego | contemplates why his dynamic plugin loading effects liblocation |
| 00:09.48 | alterego | ~affects |
| 00:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-23 01:07:34] <Venemo>the two's compliment of -4 is 0b1100 |
| 00:10.05 | Venemo | yeah, and this is what you said too |
| 00:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 00:10.30 | Venemo | [01:08] <DocScrutinizer> no, the two's complement of 4 is 0b1100 ---> [01:09] <DocScrutinizer> or -4 |
| 00:10.49 | DocScrutinizer | 0b1100 = -4 |
| 00:10.57 | Venemo | exactly |
| 00:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | which is the two's cmplement of 4 = 0b0100 |
| 00:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | dammit |
| 00:11.17 | Venemo | nah, you're misunderstanding me then |
| 00:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | no |
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| 00:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | you're misunderstanding two's complement. it's an operator, not a data representation |
| 00:12.08 | Venemo | well, we learned it as a data representation |
| 00:12.47 | Venemo | or maybe I'm just not familiar with the correct English term for it - sorry then |
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| 00:13.04 | pupnik | a lot of folks here understand software freedom |
| 00:13.20 | derf | It is both an operator and a data representation. |
| 00:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | >>A two's-complement system or two's-complement arithmetic is a system in which negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of the absolute value<< |
| 00:13.26 | derf | The operator defines the data representation. |
| 00:13.51 | Venemo | yeah, I understand it as how derf says |
| 00:14.20 | Choom | one's complement and sign-and-magnitude are also operators |
| 00:14.48 | derf | You can only say '0b1100 = -4' _because_ you're using two's complement. |
| 00:14.56 | DocScrutinizer | TWO'S_COMPLEMENT(<positive number> ) = <negative number of same absolute value> |
| 00:14.58 | derf | As the data representation. |
| 00:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | that's an operator |
| 00:15.05 | Venemo | right. |
| 00:15.18 | Choom | the only difference between them is the data representation |
| 00:15.46 | derf | In one's complement, 0b1100 = -3. |
| 00:16.07 | derf | But 0b1100 is still the two's complement of 4. |
| 00:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 00:17.19 | Venemo | okay, so point is: decimal '4' is stored as 0b0100 and decimal '-4' is stored as 0b1100 inside the memory (assuming we're talking about 4-bit integers) |
| 00:17.20 | derf | Sorry, you people were driving me insane with your talking past each other. |
| 00:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | /joins #sofisticism |
| 00:19.59 | DocScrutinizer | all my assembler menmonics do convert +N -> -N with a instruction called something like 2s-comp |
| 00:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | mnemonics* |
| 00:21.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: my question was intended towards how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number its representation in the computer's memory |
| 00:21.22 | DocScrutinizer | as in that system negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of their positive counterpart |
| 00:21.32 | Venemo | right. :) |
| 00:21.42 | Venemo | now it's all clear :) |
| 00:21.57 | alterego | I bet there's something weird with gobject module loading and qt module loading that is screwing this up somehow. |
| 00:22.04 | Venemo | thank you DocScrutinizer and derf :) |
| 00:22.15 | javispedro | alterego: didn't you just said that it wasn't on your binary? |
| 00:22.33 | alterego | javispedro: IT wasn't, you didn't have the plugins :P |
| 00:22.52 | alterego | It's the plugins, not my binary. |
| 00:23.05 | alterego | Well, probably the plugin loader, which is in libcolumbus ;) |
| 00:23.25 | javispedro | so |
| 00:23.43 | javispedro | you're saying that loading certain "plugin" to your binary causes qtmobiliy to stop initializising liblocation? |
| 00:23.50 | alterego | Yes |
| 00:23.57 | alterego | Loading _any_ plugin I suspect. |
| 00:24.07 | alterego | As they're all pretty much identical. |
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| 00:24.42 | javispedro | source is on gitorious? |
| 00:25.05 | alterego | Not mine no. |
| 00:25.23 | alterego | I'm looking at mobilities source at the moment to see what could be going on. |
| 00:25.36 | alterego | At least I've got a lead now |
| 00:25.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: seems that I used bad terminology when I asked the question then |
| 00:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: (how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number) convert |N| -> binary, then if N<0 apply two's complement |
| 00:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | for int |
| 00:32.40 | DocScrutinizer | for reals I guess it's a bit more involved |
| 00:33.15 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was asking for int, and already figured out from what you've said. :) |
| 00:33.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I remember now. for fixed-point numbers it's almost equally as simple, and floating points are somehow complicated |
| 00:34.34 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: anyway, thanks for answering. |
| 00:34.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 00:35.30 | Venemo | should start learning for his digital design exam |
| 00:35.44 | alterego | :) |
| 00:36.08 | alterego | Designing an ALU or something? :) |
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| 00:37.43 | javispedro | oh |
| 00:37.49 | javispedro | the rumours of windows nt for arm are growing larger |
| 00:38.14 | javispedro | I wonder if it's just the original shitball rolling down and getting larger or new information |
| 00:39.12 | Venemo | alterego: yeah that'll be there too. |
| 00:39.28 | Venemo | alterego: for now, I needed this stuff for some low-level programming homework |
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| 00:55.08 | alterego | Definitely something strange going on .. |
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| 00:59.40 | alterego | Well, fsck me |
| 00:59.46 | alterego | It is just one plugin that's screwed. |
| 00:59.49 | alterego | O_o |
| 01:01.07 | BCMM | javispedro: huh. it would make sense, but on the other hand, it would make sense not to |
| 01:01.11 | alterego | Don't see how though >:( |
| 01:01.48 | BCMM | i mean, at the moment, windows is what you run on a PC. for most people, installing something else on a PC feels like you're using it for something it might not be supposed to do, like installing something else on a mac |
| 01:02.02 | BCMM | there are other things that are not pcs, but windows doesn't run on them |
| 01:02.28 | BCMM | if they break the perceived one-to-one mapping there, they're suddenly fighting on a somewhat more level playing field |
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| 01:03.34 | BCMM | javispedro: got a link for the rumours? |
| 01:03.48 | javispedro | BCMM: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-21/microsoft-is-said-to-announce-version-of-windows-for-arm-chips-at-ces-show.html |
| 01:04.00 | javispedro | BCMM: also, our own tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=902476 |
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| 01:04.37 | BCMM | javispedro: imho, the .net framework was intended to prepere them for an arch change, if necessary |
| 01:05.29 | BCMM | i mean, if they ran only on x86, in the event of other architechtures becoming much, much faster/cheaper, they'd be kinda screwed |
| 01:05.55 | javispedro | well, there's no need to said that stuff about nt running on nearly 6 or 7 different arches |
| 01:06.21 | BCMM | taht many? |
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| 01:06.46 | BCMM | anyway, NT for Alpha failed for lack of applications, right? |
| 01:07.00 | BCMM | i mean, third-party binaries that ran on it |
| 01:07.18 | javispedro | well, I don't know why it failed. |
| 01:07.53 | BCMM | javispedro: well, i've heard that nothing ran on it. it was a small target, and nobody else bothered to ship alpha binaries of windows software |
| 01:08.24 | BCMM | with .net, they can port to an architechture and have a bunch of third-party apps from day one |
| 01:08.26 | javispedro | it probably had more users than n900 users when they killed the port =) |
| 01:08.38 | BCMM | the n900 is also a very small target |
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| 01:15.59 | Venemo | yeah |
| 01:16.11 | Venemo | this is why they ceased supporting IA64 too |
| 01:17.38 | Venemo | BCMM: btw the reason most people use Windows is because that has the most driver support too |
| 01:18.03 | BCMM | i genuinly don't think that's true any more |
| 01:19.10 | BCMM | i've had plenty of experiences in which i've spent ages hunting for drivers on some .tw written in badly-translated chinese |
| 01:19.25 | BCMM | for a device that "just worked" when plugged in to a linux box |
| 01:20.12 | Venemo | well then |
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| 01:20.46 | BCMM | why do taiwanese hardware manufacturers always have two web servers? there's a fast one for the actual web site, and a special slow, unreliable one for the drivers and manuals and firmware images and so on |
| 01:20.56 | Venemo | BCMM: please hunt me a driver 1) for my wireless to just work 2) for my graphics card that can switch the brightness of my screen 3) for my volume control buttons |
| 01:21.08 | Venemo | BCMM: these 3 things is what's missing for my laptop for Linux |
| 01:21.19 | javispedro | seems weird that you'd be missing volume control buttons |
| 01:21.25 | BCMM | Venemo: heh. find me a windows driver for my volume buttons. |
| 01:21.31 | Venemo | BCMM: :P |
| 01:21.36 | BCMM | windows works OK because it was installed when you got the machine. |
| 01:21.52 | BCMM | i "downgraded" my Vista laptop to xp/linux dual-boot |
| 01:22.15 | BCMM | actually installing windows on a laptop shows you what dreadful shape driver support is in |
| 01:22.49 | Venemo | well I can head on to Fujitsu's site and dl the win7 drivers for these stuff. they don't have linux in their drivers section. |
| 01:23.12 | Venemo | then I can go to the wireless manufacturer's page and compile the wireless driver, but it won't work flawlessly |
| 01:23.15 | BCMM | Venemo: in many cases, that's because linux drivers are supported in the kernel, rather than by the manufacturer |
| 01:23.44 | Venemo | the driver is OSS, they could put it into the kernel if wanted to |
| 01:23.46 | Venemo | anyway |
| 01:23.59 | Venemo | the volume control works sometimes, but most of the time not, and the brightness control just doesn't. ever. |
| 01:24.18 | javispedro | "most of the time"? O.o |
| 01:24.31 | BCMM | Venemo: like i said, try installing windows on it... |
| 01:25.00 | Venemo | BCMM: I have Win7 on it for which these things work |
| 01:25.23 | BCMM | that came with it, or that you installed? |
| 01:25.57 | BCMM | windows on laptops plays nice with teh hardware because somebody else has put in the hours cursing at random problems for you |
| 01:26.06 | javispedro | more like |
| 01:26.07 | Venemo | I bought the version that didn't have an OS (because it was cheaper), but the more expensive versions of the same laptop have win7 on them yes |
| 01:26.29 | javispedro | because someone knew they could be able to fix their stupid hardware in stupid kernel mode drivers so they didn't obther to make proper hardware on the first place. |
| 01:26.31 | BCMM | so it's hardware specifically designed for that OS. |
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| 01:26.38 | javispedro | *would |
| 01:26.46 | Venemo | yep, unfortunately |
| 01:27.54 | Venemo | when I bought the laptop, Linux support wasn't a priority yet. (I was a big M$ fan at the time, but not any longer) |
| 01:29.06 | Venemo | next time (1-2 yrs from now or later) I will specifically look for a laptop with good Linux driver support. until then, I'm stuck with this one |
| 01:29.26 | Venemo | btw, do you know any laptop manufacturer which cares about Linux drivers? |
| 01:31.32 | BCMM | Venemo: you can buy laptops with Linux pre-installed |
| 01:32.00 | BCMM | tbh, driver support is all right if you with decent hardware, to some extent |
| 01:32.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | my esprimo came with linux and yet has no proper gfx driver |
| 01:32.15 | BCMM | i mean, if you have an SiS graphics chip, it probably won't work right under linux |
| 01:32.18 | BCMM | or under windows. |
| 01:32.47 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah |
| 01:32.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer-8: what gfx card does it have? |
| 01:32.52 | DocScrutinizer-8 | SIS here |
| 01:33.15 | Venemo | oh. |
| 01:33.43 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer-8: if you are lucky, you can make it work using some horribly hackery |
| 01:33.58 | BCMM | SiS is one of the most intentionally awkward companies for linux driver support |
| 01:34.04 | Venemo | well my Fujitsu has an NVidia card for which there's a somewhat usable properitary driver |
| 01:34.18 | BCMM | but that's OK, because their stuff basically sucks at a hardware level anyway |
| 01:34.27 | Venemo | hehe :D |
| 01:34.47 | BCMM | the proprietary nvidia driver has gotta be the best proprietary driver on linux |
| 01:35.02 | BCMM | it's very annoying that they won't open it, but they do nearly everything right apart from that |
| 01:35.05 | Venemo | it is not bad, just buggy sometimes |
| 01:35.20 | DocScrutinizer-8 | driving the 800v by 786v fb is a PITA |
| 01:35.42 | BCMM | for example, when new versions of KDE's Kwin started finding performance issues in previously rarely-used functions, they engaged with the kde community well and got it fixed really fast |
| 01:36.02 | javispedro | notes that the nvidia driver is also known for doing things "their way2 |
| 01:36.03 | javispedro | " |
| 01:36.26 | BCMM | ati's proprietary driver is dreadfully buggy, but since AMD took them over, they've been helping with the open driver |
| 01:36.29 | BCMM | which is getting very nice |
| 01:36.52 | BCMM | javispedro: yeah, and as of late not supporting the way things are going (KMS, gallium, etc.) |
| 01:37.30 | Venemo | well it would be just enough if it could connect to my external display without issue |
| 01:37.33 | BCMM | but it works pretty well most of the time, gets bug fixes when it's broken, and performs better than the windows driver in some cases |
| 01:37.43 | Venemo | yeah, true, true |
| 01:37.46 | BCMM | yeah, that's a bit of a problem |
| 01:37.47 | javispedro | BCMM: if that's the reason their driver is the only one that "works", I leave as an exercise to the reader |
| 01:37.59 | BCMM | it handles multiple monitors in it's own way, which is a stupid thing to do |
| 01:38.05 | Venemo | but opposing the windows driver, it can't control my screen's brightness. |
| 01:38.06 | javispedro | (not using KMS, gallium, etc.) |
| 01:38.22 | BCMM | javispedro: i said it was the best propriatary one. |
| 01:38.34 | BCMM | the open source intel and radeon drivers work better |
| 01:38.49 | javispedro | at 1/8 the performance *at best* |
| 01:39.06 | Venemo | I would use Nouveau of course, but the 3D performance of that makes me cry |
| 01:39.10 | BCMM | the radeon driver is improving fast |
| 01:39.21 | javispedro | that's what I've been reading for a decade. |
| 01:39.23 | javispedro | yet. |
| 01:39.34 | BCMM | faster than nouveau, which has to work with a basically uncooperative vendor |
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| 01:40.14 | BCMM | teh handling of multiple monitors in nvidia is stupid. standard tools that work with proper drivers always see one big monitor. you can only configure it using nvidia-settings |
| 01:40.19 | javispedro | it doesn't matter. the entire graphics stack is foobar'd. no one sane would release anything remotely useful because it is a patent minefield. |
| 01:40.49 | Venemo | :( |
| 01:41.02 | Venemo | thinks that sw patents should be eliminated completely |
| 01:41.09 | BCMM | Venemo++ |
| 01:41.19 | javispedro | it is also a copyright minefield, fwiw. are we still using s3tc? |
| 01:41.21 | BCMM | a better term is "maths patents" |
| 01:41.31 | javispedro | guesses "yes" |
| 01:41.51 | javispedro | so |
| 01:41.54 | BCMM | anyway, that's presumably why AMD is taking the approach of helping the open-source driver with docs, rather than just dumping the fglrx code on the community |
| 01:42.06 | Venemo | BCMM: did you see the movie titled patent absurdity? |
| 01:42.10 | BCMM | well, that and teh fact taht the fglrx code is surely very, very embarrasing |
| 01:42.12 | BCMM | Venemo: no. |
| 01:42.20 | javispedro | BCMM: most of the work is still done by a single amd employee. |
| 01:42.27 | Venemo | you should. |
| 01:43.02 | BCMM | javispedro: how much does that matter, for the purposes of releasing specs? |
| 01:43.08 | javispedro | and, for some reason, my multimonitor setup works an order of magnitude better with nvcontrol than xrandr |
| 01:43.29 | BCMM | in that case, they basically have the docs internally, an the important thing is that they're allowing them out |
| 01:44.12 | javispedro | because what you're going to do with the register specs, other than do a crappy driver. |
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| 01:45.14 | javispedro | cards themselves have not changed virtually anything themselves, as a quick look over the intel manuals tells. |
| 01:45.52 | Venemo | what do you guys think about intel gfx cards and drivers? |
| 01:45.57 | javispedro | same. |
| 01:46.05 | javispedro | 1/8 of what you get on windows. |
| 01:46.08 | BCMM | really? |
| 01:46.25 | Venemo | I think intel is compensating for the crappyness of its hw by making the driver oss |
| 01:46.46 | javispedro | BCMM: 1/2 actually |
| 01:46.49 | BCMM | I have seen for myself that the drivers for certain intel GMA chips allow pretty impressive desktop effects |
| 01:46.52 | Aranel_ | How good is WH-205? Is Sennheiser CX281 better? |
| 01:46.56 | BCMM | with stability. |
| 01:46.57 | javispedro | scrap that. |
| 01:47.01 | javispedro | 1/4 |
| 01:47.08 | BCMM | i mean, pretty impressive given the hardware they're running on |
| 01:47.37 | javispedro | I wanted to see what would happen if Intel gets serious about Meego. |
| 01:47.48 | javispedro | they will need hw to run it on. |
| 01:47.55 | javispedro | this hw will be GMA500 based |
| 01:47.59 | javispedro | and the question |
| 01:48.00 | javispedro | is |
| 01:48.04 | BCMM | and while i'm sure the free radeon drivers don't currently give amazing gaming performance, they give an incredibly responsive and artifact-free desktop effects experience |
| 01:48.11 | BCMM | and are really, really stable |
| 01:48.16 | BCMM | never had a crash from them |
| 01:48.35 | BCMM | in fact, since i got rid of propriatary atheros and nvidia drivers, i haven't had a single kernel panic |
| 01:48.40 | javispedro | Will there be a GMA500/SGX OSS driver from Intel with competitive performance against the ImgTech's one? |
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| 01:49.17 | javispedro | BCMM: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23592 (filed by me) |
| 01:49.19 | povbot | Bug 23592: was not found. |
| 01:49.19 | javispedro | etc. etc. |
| 01:52.29 | javispedro | but I guess that anecdote != data :) |
| 01:55.37 | Venemo | :) |
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| 01:56.15 | Venemo | good night guys. it's late and I better get some sleep |
| 01:57.24 | pupnik | Archos 7.0 has been off power mains for 4.25 hours - mostly idle. battery reads 100% still |
| 02:01.40 | javispedro | wake me when you get a month's out of battery from idle |
| 02:01.55 | javispedro | like n800 ;) |
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| 02:07.46 | pupnik | nice |
| 02:13.38 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I've gotten results indicating 2 weeks is quite possible in suspend. |
| 02:14.05 | SpeedEvil | maybe 3 with the phone off |
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| 02:15.42 | javispedro | more than one week with phone on would be surprising already |
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| 02:18.25 | SpeedEvil | For that, ylu've got to work out how to stop the phone sending signal status updates |
| 02:18.45 | SpeedEvil | It resumes from suspend just fine on calls and texts |
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| 02:27.29 | comawhite | i wonder if there is an app that will connect my wi-fi when im using it and disconnect when I'm not using it |
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| 02:36.57 | SpeedEvil | comawhite: with powersaving properly setup, it's no a big issue |
| 02:37.12 | SpeedEvil | comawhite: it will last >5 days idle with wifi on |
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| 02:40.35 | comawhite | O_O |
| 02:40.47 | comawhite | yeah because wifi is killing my battery -_- |
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| 03:03.22 | Loom | hi |
| 03:03.33 | luke-jr | NO |
| 03:04.17 | Loom | is there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ? |
| 03:06.10 | pupnik | lol luke-jr |
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| 03:09.05 | Macer | i was working on switching from samba to cifs on my openindiana box today |
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| 03:09.24 | Macer | what a pain. got stupified by a damn pam module |
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| 03:20.50 | johnx | PAM is super fun |
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| 03:30.10 | Loom | is there a utitility that can configure the startup services in maemo 5 ? |
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| 03:50.59 | Loom | i found maemo-control-services but it's for os2008 |
| 03:52.00 | johnx | what service are you trying to disable? |
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| 03:56.49 | Loom | well i don' know |
| 03:57.43 | Loom | when i install i disable half of the services cuause they are useless |
| 03:58.04 | Loom | but i am not familiar with this os |
| 03:58.51 | Loom | so need an app to present and be able to disable startup services |
| 03:58.57 | johnx | disabling services you don't understand is a great way to end up in a reboot loop |
| 03:59.18 | johnx | and as for the services that aren't strictly needed, there's likely instructions on how to disable them by hand |
| 03:59.51 | johnx | think of the requirement of doing it by hand as a way for the user to state "I really know what I'm doing" |
| 04:00.31 | SpeedEvil | Disabling random 'useless' shit will maek the platform stop working. |
| 04:00.48 | SpeedEvil | Disabling tracker, for example, will break the camera and media player apps, for a start |
| 04:01.56 | johnx | so, I guess the good news out of this is: there's very few useless services :) |
| 04:02.08 | Loom | i know |
| 04:02.09 | SpeedEvil | basically, yes. |
| 04:02.18 | SpeedEvil | Or rather - sort-of. |
| 04:02.29 | Loom | so is there an app to do this ? |
| 04:02.33 | SpeedEvil | Tracker could be useless, if the other stuff diddn't rely on it heavily |
| 04:02.35 | SpeedEvil | vim |
| 04:02.40 | johnx | Loom, rm on the command line |
| 04:02.59 | Loom | hm |
| 04:03.00 | johnx | remove the symlinks in the runlevel directory you want the service to not start in |
| 04:03.05 | SpeedEvil | Look at dsmetool |
| 04:03.13 | SpeedEvil | look at /etc/* |
| 04:03.21 | SpeedEvil | understand how the processes are started |
| 04:03.31 | Loom | etc is prety big |
| 04:03.47 | SpeedEvil | work out how to do one-shot scripts that don't start it on one boot, and revert for the next boot, in case it doesn't work |
| 04:03.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 04:04.20 | johnx | Loom, Well it's /etc/rc?.d/* for some services, and other places for other services |
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| 04:07.20 | Loom | i am trying to avoid the command line bullcrap... |
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| 04:08.53 | pupnik | lol |
| 04:09.12 | pupnik | just talk to the phone Loom |
| 04:09.20 | pupnik | maybe it will start to listen to you |
| 04:09.38 | Loom | i can just delete em using the filebox but since they are in varius places how do i find em ? |
| 04:10.07 | johnx | Loom, you don't even know which service you want to stop. that's the problem |
| 04:10.38 | johnx | if you asked "How can I turn off BME and what are the consequences?" we'd be able to tell you something |
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| 04:38.48 | MohammadAG | morning |
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| 05:00.13 | Loom | yup just found 1 for ex in /etc/event.d |
| 05:01.15 | Loom | i had install netstory but it didn't work with 1.3 package |
| 05:01.29 | Loom | so i uninstalled it |
| 05:01.59 | Loom | but the script with the daenmon is still there |
| 05:02.53 | Loom | i beileve that maemo's uninstall is crap |
| 05:03.25 | Loom | and there is alot more services to go |
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| 05:07.34 | Termana | morning |
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| 07:06.54 | Pradeep | hi |
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| 07:47.41 | biston | good morning, is there any way to just ignore the pubkeys error and let aptitude update the repos silently? |
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| 07:48.18 | biston | i'm getting these errors day in day out... i have imported the keys from subkeys.pgp.net but it doesn't seem to fix the problem |
| 07:50.32 | johnx | biston, I don't think Nokia signs the extras repository |
| 07:50.41 | johnx | it's some kind of weird policy decision |
| 07:51.36 | johnx | what happens if you add '--allow-untrusted'? |
| 07:54.25 | biston | to apt-get update ? |
| 07:54.30 | biston | let me try that |
| 07:54.54 | johnx | you said aptitude earlier :P |
| 07:54.59 | biston | ah |
| 07:55.00 | johnx | with apt-get it's something different |
| 07:55.51 | biston | alright, trying to update repos with aptitude update --allow-untrusted |
| 07:56.39 | johnx | err, wait, you just want the warning messages to go away? |
| 07:56.56 | biston | no just to go away, i want to properly update the repos ofc |
| 07:57.07 | johnx | they are updated correctly |
| 07:57.16 | biston | when i get an error like : |
| 07:57.17 | biston | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3 Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) <repositories@maemo.org> |
| 07:57.24 | johnx | yes, they're updated correctly |
| 07:57.24 | biston | it still means that everything was updated? |
| 07:57.33 | biston | oh, alright, i did not know that |
| 07:57.46 | johnx | it's the difference between |
| 07:57.51 | johnx | 'warning' and 'error' |
| 07:57.56 | biston | W: |
| 07:57.59 | biston | yup alright |
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| 07:59.35 | biston | thanks a lot johnx i got the answers/results i needed |
| 07:59.49 | johnx | no problem :) |
| 07:59.53 | johnx | glad I could clear that up |
| 08:00.07 | biston | see ya |
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| 08:02.55 | ds3 | having to tap to cancel a box on Android is so brain dead... wonder nokia patented the click outside to cancel thing |
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| 08:03.28 | johnx | they probably couldn't patent it. I've seen it on web pages for a while before maemo 5 |
| 08:04.58 | ds3 | wonder why Android choosed such a brain dead interface then... it is like everything there is modal |
| 08:06.00 | johnx | it tends to be that way on such a small screen. I have to admit I wasn't super impressed with android's UI |
| 08:06.21 | johnx | actually, what I want to see more people imitating is palm's webOS |
| 08:07.22 | ds3 | don't think I could find a demo of the webOS gui to play with |
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| 08:08.42 | johnx | neither can I :| |
| 08:08.53 | johnx | I actually got to play with someone's phone |
| 08:09.07 | ds3 | ah |
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| 08:12.31 | comawhite | starting to wonder if making an irc client for n900 is really worth it |
| 08:12.50 | johnx | comawhite, not liking xchat? |
| 08:12.52 | comawhite | the screen it too small to really benefit from reading a channel especially if it moves really fast |
| 08:13.05 | comawhite | johnx, it's not native to the n900 |
| 08:13.30 | johnx | well, it's not entirely 'hildonized' but I've got mine setup well enough |
| 08:13.32 | comawhite | plus I have to build mobility experience since programming jobs in Qt based jobs require mobility experience more and more now |
| 08:14.11 | comawhite | plus my app will be better than xchat on the n900 anyways |
| 08:14.21 | comawhite | just wonder about the text size etc |
| 08:14.22 | johnx | well, in that case, I think there's a lot you can do to streamline the IRC experience to make it work better on a small screen |
| 08:14.43 | johnx | text size *really, really* needs to be selectable by the user :) |
| 08:14.54 | comawhite | it will be |
| 08:15.03 | johnx | problem solved, then :) |
| 08:15.19 | ds3 | irc is not really suitable for the N900 from a power standpoint |
| 08:15.21 | comawhite | but you'll have to edit the style to do it, since it wll be supporting adium themes |
| 08:15.34 | comawhite | ds3, that also |
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| 08:16.35 | johnx | I can see what you mean :| |
| 08:16.56 | talonz | i think the current client is great for an inbetween pc irc client |
| 08:17.25 | talonz | i use it alot coming home from work or at meetings that are boring the shit out of me lol |
| 08:17.57 | comawhite | talonz, play bullshit bingo |
| 08:17.57 | comawhite | :P |
| 08:18.09 | talonz | lol |
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| 08:19.44 | comawhite | talonz, well if you have a bouncer like I do, you'd have no trouble using it inbetween pc's |
| 08:20.01 | comawhite | I might have to figure something out for people who don't use a bouncer |
| 08:20.06 | johnx | in terms of the battery life thing, all I can think of is doing some kind of weird store and forward IRC 'proxy' that sits between the N900 and the IRC server |
| 08:20.17 | comawhite | but i could leave it up for end developers to make |
| 08:20.33 | johnx | bouncer is probably the word I was looking for :) |
| 08:20.42 | ds3 | johnx: that stuff exists |
| 08:20.48 | comawhite | yeah I use a bouncer between my 2 pc's |
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| 08:22.12 | johnx | so the bouncer will build up a cache of messages and then push them down to the N900 every so often -or- when the user puts IRC in the foreground -or- someone mentions the user's name |
| 08:22.18 | johnx | is it something along those lines? |
| 08:22.33 | comawhite | if my client takes off, i can always get suggestions from end users to help make it much better |
| 08:23.06 | johnx | oh, I'm sure you'll get suggestions whether it takes off or not :> |
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| 08:23.24 | comawhite | johnx, basically what happens is, the messages are relayed to all the clients that are connected to the bouncer simultaneously. |
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| 08:23.59 | johnx | comawhite, which doesn't really solve the power problem at all in the case of the N900 |
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| 08:25.10 | comawhite | yeah |
| 08:25.47 | comawhite | im trying to make it as minimalistic as possible so it doesn't use much cpu |
| 08:26.01 | johnx | that helps |
| 08:26.02 | comawhite | which cpu usage causes battery life to go down |
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| 08:26.34 | johnx | but keeping the network iface receiving all the time will be pretty bad as well |
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| 08:27.36 | comawhite | the only one thing I worry about is the who reply (so I can update user's hostmask, etc) |
| 08:27.59 | comawhite | johnx, well it's not like msn, aim, yahoo, etc. It's real time chat |
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| 08:28.21 | comawhite | how long does the battery last with xchat? |
| 08:28.31 | johnx | yeah. I got that. but when it's in the background, a lot of people don't care unless they get mentioned, especially on a mobile device |
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| 08:28.56 | johnx | sounds like someone should do a test with xchat :) |
| 08:29.14 | comawhite | well if there is a way to tell if an application is in the background, I could disable quite a few things to make it not use much resources |
| 08:29.43 | johnx | I'm sure there is |
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| 08:30.13 | comawhite | i'll have to ask some Qt maemo developers in #qt-maemo and see what I can find out about it |
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| 08:30.54 | johnx | should be able to tell if the device is 'locked' as well |
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| 08:31.43 | comawhite | well I can limit who replies for only the current channel, that will minimise the list updates and just when the user changes channels it will update it |
| 08:32.08 | zogg_ | i played tap tap revenge 4 on iphone4, maemo sucks =))) |
| 08:32.18 | comawhite | maemo is awesome |
| 08:32.34 | comawhite | I want to test meego and nitroid out :P |
| 08:32.50 | zogg_ | than do it |
| 08:32.50 | comawhite | but not sure at how to go about it |
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| 08:33.11 | comawhite | since im still getting used to the n900 (only had it for a day or so) :P |
| 08:33.51 | johnx | it'd be cool to do all the maemo-ish things when the user gets hilighted, basically have it behave just like the text message/IM app |
| 08:34.26 | comawhite | johnx, I will support notifications (like you get with sms) if Qt provides an api for it |
| 08:34.58 | gazu | how can I know if my emmc is broken? |
| 08:35.10 | gazu | I'm having flashinf problems |
| 08:35.54 | comawhite | what is emmc? |
| 08:36.26 | johnx | the 'embedded mmc' card, where /home and /opt live |
| 08:36.35 | comawhite | ah |
| 08:36.47 | johnx | it's a soldered-on SD card |
| 08:36.55 | johnx | well, basically at least |
| 08:37.26 | johnx | anyways, 12:30. time for bed :) |
| 08:38.41 | comawhite | goodnight johnsu01 |
| 08:38.44 | comawhite | johnx, * |
| 08:39.09 | gazu | ??? |
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| 08:51.40 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:51.47 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: pong |
| 08:51.59 | lardman | morning Jaffa |
| 08:52.04 | crashanddie | morning |
| 08:52.18 | Jaffa | khertan: Khweeteur 0.1.6-2 doesn't start for me: error imporitng khweeteur_experimental |
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| 08:56.06 | khertan | Jaffa, ? gnié ? |
| 08:56.22 | khertan | did you use experimental or "stable" ? |
| 08:56.48 | khertan | did both version are installed at the same time ? |
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| 08:59.13 | Jaffa | khertan: Err, khweeteur-experimental has same ver number? Anyway, it's not installed, just khweeteur. Not sure I've ever installed -experimental... |
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| 09:00.48 | khertan | yep same version number |
| 09:01.45 | khertan | can you see if /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur and /usr/lib/python/site-packages/khweeteur-experimental exists ? |
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| 09:02.28 | khertan | Jaffa, did you just update from old version (<0.1.5-2) ? In this case remove it, and reinstall it |
| 09:02.38 | Jaffa | khertan: yes. |
| 09:02.42 | khertan | i ve put a rm in the postremove script |
| 09:03.01 | khertan | and didn't realize that postrm is called after the update |
| 09:03.12 | Jaffa | khertan: hmm. maybe preinst or postinst better? |
| 09:03.32 | khertan | Jaffa, this is for removing residual file due to python compilation |
| 09:03.55 | lardman | praise be to santa, Python scripting callbacks work at last! |
| 09:04.08 | gazu | any idea how to check if emmc is broken? |
| 09:04.25 | Jaffa | khertan: doing it in postinst (as well) before compiling new ones would mean seamless upgrade wouldn't it? |
| 09:04.58 | khertan | yep but will let residual foile |
| 09:05.04 | Jaffa | khertan: re-installing... |
| 09:05.08 | khertan | file when you just remove it |
| 09:05.44 | comawhite | which is better gsm or cdma? |
| 09:05.52 | khertan | comawhite, wifi |
| 09:05.58 | Jaffa | khertan: do it in both. Not having the package upgradable is a bit of a blocker IMHO |
| 09:06.10 | comawhite | i thought gdm/cdma was only for talking and not for web |
| 09:06.16 | khertan | Jaffa, yep :) but i ll not do it again imho :) |
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| 09:06.32 | khertan | Jaffa, this was an error in a extras-devel package :) |
| 09:06.45 | Jaffa | khertan: ah, ok :) |
| 09:06.57 | Jaffa | khertan: no tweets shown, and no errors in console |
| 09:06.58 | khertan | Jaffa, i didn't want to push that in prod :) |
| 09:07.13 | khertan | Jaffa, authentified ? |
| 09:07.50 | khertan | Jaffa, after some update, i remove cache, as there is some changes in the cache format |
| 09:08.50 | Jaffa | khertan: ah |
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| 09:09.19 | Jaffa | khertan: feature request: prompt for auth if neither identi.ca or twitter authenticated? |
| 09:09.49 | khertan | hum ... yep good feature request :) |
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| 09:12.54 | Jaffa | khertan: working now :) |
| 09:13.26 | khertan | :) |
| 09:13.50 | gazu | can I get some help? |
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| 09:19.32 | crashanddie | ~ask |
| 09:19.33 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
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| 09:24.16 | khertan | Jaffa, about that ... i got many email from many users about the broken package in extras-devel |
| 09:24.27 | khertan | Jaffa, it s look like everyone is using extras-devel |
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| 09:37.15 | lardman | lcuk: ping |
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| 09:50.45 | comawhite | finally managed to get tmobile's 3g to work on my phone, it was annoying |
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| 10:00.08 | lardman | what was the secret? |
| 10:01.53 | comawhite | lardman, well I have SimpleMobile, I forgot to set the apn to simple and remove the username and password |
| 10:01.54 | comawhite | xD |
| 10:02.47 | lardman | ah :) |
| 10:03.50 | comawhite | :) |
| 10:04.13 | comawhite | now I have internet where I go, no more stuck only having sms/phone |
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| 10:05.07 | comawhite | now if only I can make the phone not go in to a hard lock after 5 seconds - 10 seconds |
| 10:05.14 | Shapeshifter | gahhhh!! some things are just utterly broken on the n900. I want to play some music from back home. I install sshfs to mount the share. /dev/fuse not allowed... I chmod 777 it out of rage, now mounting works, and the user can see the files, but the 'file browser' thing can't |
| 10:05.31 | comawhite | i don't mind going black, just like to tap on the screen to unlock instead of hitting the side buttons |
| 10:05.36 | Shapeshifter | and ofc the media player can't be used to just play files |
| 10:05.48 | Shapeshifter | >:( |
| 10:06.04 | lardman | Shapeshifter: it must be possible to tell it to play a specific file as it works with the filemanager |
| 10:06.08 | comawhite | Shapeshifter, see if you can install cifs on it |
| 10:06.24 | Shapeshifter | cifs?? why would I do such a thing |
| 10:06.53 | lardman | comawhite: you want to disable the screenlock? Why? What happens if it's in your pocket? |
| 10:06.57 | comawhite | then do mount /<server>/<path> <mount point> -o username=<username>,password=<password> |
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| 10:07.21 | comawhite | lardman, I have a case for that ;p |
| 10:07.29 | comawhite | it's on my belt ^^ |
| 10:07.36 | lardman | ok |
| 10:07.43 | comawhite | pocket == easy wau for scratches |
| 10:08.07 | lardman | settings > display > lock screen automatically |
| 10:08.41 | comawhite | lardman, thank you |
| 10:08.41 | Shapeshifter | lardman: not from the gui at least. I forgot the builtin player command. I heard mplayer does"'t go through pulse or something? hence it would play on the speakers and not earphones? |
| 10:08.46 | lardman | comawhite: np |
| 10:09.07 | khertan | just understand why hildon-desktop is so slow ... 4 desktop with four 21Mpixel image is a huge error :) |
| 10:09.18 | lardman | Shapeshifter: not sure about mplayer, but the media-player must have some method of playing a single file, perhaps a DBus call |
| 10:09.34 | lardman | lol @ khertan |
| 10:09.36 | Shapeshifter | well that's convenient.... |
| 10:09.56 | comawhite | lardman, and to lock it just hit power button or that other button correct? |
| 10:10.10 | lardman | I guess so |
| 10:10.16 | lardman | I've never tried it tbh |
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| 10:11.38 | huee | Shapeshifter: maybe a symlink? |
| 10:13.11 | Shapeshifter | huee: the mountpoint is 777 and owned by user:users, so.... |
| 10:13.55 | huee | Shapeshifter: what about changing gcon |
| 10:14.14 | huee | *gconf default file browser? |
| 10:15.46 | Shapeshifter | huee: to what? |
| 10:16.20 | huee | Shapeshifter: gpe filemanager or whatever else? |
| 10:16.28 | Shapeshifter | mhh |
| 10:17.05 | Shapeshifter | well atm I'm just copying the album I want to listen to to MyDocs so I wont be needing it right now anymore. though really this is daft |
| 10:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: (speaker not earphones) nice point. I think this switchng is done by PA/ohmd though, and should be mostly transparent to apps |
| 10:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | (<Shapeshifter> and ofc the media player can't be used to just play files) there's an extension plugin for mediaplayer to allow selecting files for playback |
| 10:20.09 | _trine | can the n900 only use .aac files for its ringtone ? |
| 10:20.33 | MohammadAG | nope, can use all, it converts them to .wav |
| 10:20.46 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: will test later. I heard there's some problem. afaik, mplayer needs to be compiled for pulse or it needs to be run with a prefix wrapper |
| 10:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | what MohammadAG says |
| 10:20.59 | _trine | when I look at the profile I can only see .aac files |
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| 10:21.16 | MohammadAG | click other |
| 10:21.23 | _trine | ah ok |
| 10:21.30 | DocScrutinizer | mo moh |
| 10:21.49 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: oh nice, will check that |
| 10:22.14 | MohammadAG | morning DocScrutinizer |
| 10:22.21 | RST38h | ...Starting with a dual-core Cortex-A9 at 1GHz, the iOne adds in an extra ARM11 core at 533MHz dedicated to handling camera functions and ensuring ready times of under one second.... |
| 10:22.26 | RST38h | hands out napkins |
| 10:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: sorry I can't for the life of me not recall the name, it's too awkward |
| 10:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: LOL |
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| 10:23.16 | crashanddie | How do I convert a QString into gchar? |
| 10:24.03 | DocScrutinizer | QString.toGchar()? just wild guessing :-D |
| 10:24.08 | MohammadAG | .toAscii() |
| 10:24.21 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, ascii or latin1? |
| 10:24.25 | MohammadAG | ascii |
| 10:24.41 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
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| 10:25.26 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 10:25.32 | lardman | RST38h: is that dual arm?? core + an extra arm11? |
| 10:25.34 | MohammadAG | kinky |
| 10:26.10 | MohammadAG | The N8 can do less than a second shots o_O |
| 10:26.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, QString::toAscii returns a QByteArray |
| 10:26.36 | MohammadAG | really? |
| 10:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | which is a classic c style char[] |
| 10:27.11 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, is it really? I'm cautious about assuming such things |
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| 10:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | I've read it yesterday in Qt docs |
| 10:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | check backscroll for the two URLs I posted yesterday |
| 10:28.00 | crashanddie | I believe thou |
| 10:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | don't do that |
| 10:28.09 | khertan | <MohammadAG> The N8 can do less than a second shots o_O <<< the n900 too |
| 10:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | ! |
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| 10:28.30 | MohammadAG | khertan, not 12MP pics |
| 10:28.31 | crashanddie | Though, my lord, since whence do thy program, in Qtence? |
| 10:28.39 | khertan | MohammadAG, hum ... true :) |
| 10:28.46 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 10:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: exactly |
| 10:28.58 | MohammadAG | plus, Xenon > LED |
| 10:29.07 | MohammadAG | except for a handy flashlight |
| 10:29.24 | khertan | MohammadAG, and with 12 Mpixel saving photo to slow sd will be slow :) |
| 10:29.37 | khertan | to be honest i ve try the iphone 4 camera |
| 10:29.39 | MohammadAG | True that |
| 10:29.45 | MohammadAG | It's crap :P |
| 10:30.00 | khertan | while in low light results are better than n900 |
| 10:30.03 | MohammadAG | The N8's UI is smoother than the iPhone 4's |
| 10:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | and sensor with good low light properties always >>> xenon & LED |
| 10:30.28 | MohammadAG | khertan, the N900 is crap in lowlight |
| 10:30.33 | khertan | yep |
| 10:31.11 | khertan | I didn't compare the 4G iphone cam which is nothing more than 5Mpx to a 8 or 12 Mpx with larger objectiv :) |
| 10:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | ask speedevil about nonsense of 12Mpx with a sensor like you may find in a phone, and esp a lens the size found there |
| 10:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | a few years ago they sacled up 2Mpx optical to 10Mpx interpolated - obviously BS & nonsense. Nowadays the optics do the "interpolation" and they have "real" 10Mpx. The result is the same |
| 10:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | or even worse |
| 10:37.17 | RobbieThe1st_ | Yea |
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| 10:38.39 | RobbieThe1st_ | I'd like to see camera resolutions measured in "noiseless" MP - i.e. the equivalent MP you get once you downsample to remove the noise under certain light conditions. |
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| 10:39.15 | DocScrutinizer | or simply lines-H/V resolution |
| 10:39.48 | RobbieThe1st_ | Yea, that'd work |
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| 10:47.11 | chx | lines-H/V resolution...? |
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| 10:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | the number of parallel black lines on white background either horizontal or vertical that can be resolved by the sensor |
| 10:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | usually < pixel/2 |
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| 11:05.03 | _trine | it looks like my n900 does not see .m4r ringtones |
| 11:05.16 | _trine | is there something i can do |
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| 11:06.02 | alterego | Transcode them |
| 11:06.08 | alterego | wtf is m4r anyway? :D |
| 11:06.10 | piggz | is it possible to set up nokia messaging on the n900....when i try and create an account at email.nokia.com, i get asked to choose a phone and do it from the phone..but when i do it from the phone, it just creates an imap account |
| 11:07.58 | piggz | another q...is it possible to do a memory test on the n900, as im getting tempted to take it to a service centre because it reboots itself _a lot_ ... ive re-flashed inc mmc, and not installed anything from -testing or -devel, and it was ok for a few days, but has recently started rebooting again. ive turned off email atm to see if that helps |
| 11:10.28 | _trine | alterego, m4r apparently is what iphone uses |
| 11:10.37 | alterego | lame |
| 11:10.57 | _trine | I have downloaded a whole pile of them off the net |
| 11:12.17 | alterego | *cough* lame ... |
| 11:12.18 | alterego | :) |
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| 11:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | piggz: you shouldn't assume things, then ask how to properly tackle them. Rather ask for guidance how to tackle the root problem. Here: there are ways to find out *why* N900 reboots. And a mem test is largely useless as memory usually isn't failing in this way (except if device had been overclocked in the past). Also memory isn't same as storage. |
| 11:18.45 | alterego | Now to work out why my network server plugin stops location services from starting up :/ |
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| 11:20.12 | Scorcerer | is it possible to use multiple booting images from N900 to boot a PC using n900 as a usb-drive? |
| 11:20.45 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: ok, how can i find out why it reboots (btw, im a programmer and an well aware of the differences between ram and storage ;) ... the n900 doesnt keep a /var/log/messages, as i was hoping to find somethin useful there |
| 11:20.48 | ShadowJK | shakes head at fennec 4 beta release notes page not working in MicroB |
| 11:20.54 | Scorcerer | i mean, without having to erase each image and copy new to microsd card ? |
| 11:21.10 | alterego | Scorcerer: maybe, look at how usb mass storage mode works. |
| 11:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | piggz: for syslog install sysklogd package |
| 11:21.49 | gazu | no media player and camera after flashing |
| 11:21.53 | gazu | any idea?? |
| 11:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | will create a /var/log/syslog |
| 11:21.58 | piggz | cheers |
| 11:22.28 | ShadowJK | piggz: /var/lib/dsme/stats contain some stuff. /proc/bootreason tells you why it powered on. /dev/mtd2 is a circular buffer recording kernel OOPS |
| 11:22.43 | piggz | cool |
| 11:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | piggz: see? :-D |
| 11:23.19 | piggz | so, my bootreason is software reset |
| 11:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | this sounds like ntentional reboot |
| 11:24.02 | ShadowJK | /var/lib/dsme/stats is next stop then |
| 11:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | or dsme getting upset about one of it's monitored processes respawning (too often) |
| 11:24.10 | ShadowJK | lifeguard_resets iirc |
| 11:24.56 | piggz | lifeguard-restarts says |
| 11:25.03 | piggz | hildon-home: 1 |
| 11:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | piggz: which system rev? |
| 11:25.11 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: 1.3 |
| 11:25.24 | piggz | camera-ui: 6 |
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| 11:25.36 | piggz | ohm-session-agent: 1 |
| 11:25.42 | piggz | sapwood-server: 1 |
| 11:25.42 | ShadowJK | -restarts is just restart of a single process, not system restart |
| 11:26.32 | piggz | resets has a line containg Xorg cmdline |
| 11:27.49 | ShadowJK | I think sw-rst also happens when kernel itself decides to reboot, which it does on oops, in which case /dev/mtd2 has it (and older ones) |
| 11:28.53 | piggz | how do i get a '>' char to output to a file? |
| 11:29.00 | piggz | found it :) |
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| 11:33.45 | piggz | ShadowJK: DocScrutinizer: so, i guess my kernel is panicing http://pastebin.ca/2027101 |
| 11:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: these instructions need to go to a wiki page :-) |
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| 11:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | a bit terse |
| 11:34.55 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. no register dump, no stack traceback, nothing |
| 11:35.11 | DocScrutinizer | not useful |
| 11:35.14 | piggz | http://pastebin.ca/2027104 |
| 11:35.24 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: mos in that one |
| 11:35.26 | piggz | s/more |
| 11:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | EEEW >>Unable to handle kernel paging request |
| 11:36.26 | ShadowJK | sometimes gets backtrace |
| 11:36.33 | crashanddie | anyone familiar with the deal between MafwPlaylist and MafwProxyPlaylist? |
| 11:37.00 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: so, its bad ok...ideas? :) |
| 11:37.16 | DocScrutinizer | not yet. Sounds like a real BUG |
| 11:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | or even hw broken? |
| 11:37.40 | ShadowJK | I missed the start, does it "randomly" crash, or when you do a specific thing? |
| 11:38.07 | piggz | ShadowJK: randomly |
| 11:38.17 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 11:38.23 | DocScrutinizer | swap corrupt? |
| 11:38.56 | piggz | if the swap is on the emmc, i flashed that a few days ago |
| 11:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | only way to find out: get even more of that OOPS from mtd2, then look at kernel sources to find out what's causing it |
| 11:39.50 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: there are more oopses in the file above....the file itself is too big to pastebin |
| 11:41.38 | piggz | http://pastebin.ca/2027110 .... i presume this one is my massive uptime of 44 seconds from early this morning! |
| 11:42.27 | Choom | you only last 44 seconds? |
| 11:42.57 | piggz | Choom: no, that was a one off, its usually longer than that :) |
| 11:43.46 | Jaffa | khertan: I'm not, but tried Khweeteur from there when you said something recently. |
| 11:43.54 | Jaffa | khertan: Fools on TMO do not most users make |
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| 11:46.54 | piggz | DocScrutinizer: ShadowJK: www.piggz.co.uk/mtd2 is all the oops (256k) |
| 11:47.04 | piggz | any help is greatly appreciated |
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| 11:48.39 | DocScrutinizer | chx: ( <chx> lines-H/V resolution...? ) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siemens_star and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_resolution#Measuring_optical_resolution |
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| 11:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:EIA_Resolution_Chart_1956.svg |
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| 11:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/advisory/2488013.mspx X-P |
| 11:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | (vuln in MSIE) |
| 11:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, quite OT |
| 12:04.56 | ShadowJK | piggz: from those earlier pastes only thing I could think of was swapspace or the emmc itself being broken :/ |
| 12:05.56 | piggz | ShadowJK: how to check swapspace? do you think the messages will help a service centre? |
| 12:06.24 | ShadowJK | I doubt it |
| 12:06.29 | piggz | ShadowJK: the other day /home got remounted ro ( i noticed after i coudnt get any mail) |
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| 12:07.08 | ShadowJK | it does sound alot like a hw problem though |
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| 12:07.22 | piggz | ok, i guess i will take it for repair |
| 12:07.33 | ShadowJK | it's painful. My own N900 needs to go in for repair too :( |
| 12:08.07 | ShadowJK | painful to be without it for 2 weeks I mean |
| 12:08.17 | piggz | i will be left with my wifes old sony ericsson :( |
| 12:08.24 | piggz | ;) |
| 12:08.27 | RST38h | Poor guy... |
| 12:08.48 | RST38h | But imagine if you had to use Motorola RAZR in the meanwhile! |
| 12:09.12 | piggz | has https://publish.ovi.com/content_items/new been returning error 500 for some time? i was going to try and post an app for n900 |
| 12:09.49 | piggz | ShadowJK: what is wrong with your phone? |
| 12:11.49 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: usb port? |
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| 12:18.56 | ShadowJK | No the cellular modem part has probably desoldered itself |
| 12:19.21 | DocScrutinizer-8 | ohohohowow |
| 12:19.48 | ShadowJK | I had issues earlier, sent it to nokia, they did nothing, but I noticed it was mostly fine using the thinnest and most convex shaped battery I had |
| 12:20.23 | DocScrutinizer-8 | errr what? |
| 12:20.24 | ShadowJK | now it's so bad that doing ctrl-backspace can cause modem to reset |
| 12:22.12 | ShadowJK | or closing slider |
| 12:22.19 | ShadowJK | or having the phone in my pocket |
| 12:22.39 | ShadowJK | goes for some last minute christmas shopping |
| 12:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 12:23.04 | DocScrutinizer | should do that as well |
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| 12:24.48 | alterego | Heh, I think I've got one thing I need to get |
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| 12:25.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, aww, don't feel sad |
| 12:26.04 | MohammadAG | hands alterego a segfault |
| 12:26.08 | MohammadAG | there you go :) |
| 12:27.15 | alterego | If only it were a segfault :P |
| 12:27.28 | alterego | I've narrowed down my issue, this time, to my network service plugin. |
| 12:28.23 | alterego | When it's absent it works, when it's there it doesn't. |
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| 12:36.47 | alterego | This is where I need someone with serious debugging skills :) |
| 12:38.36 | lcuk | alterego, throw some massive printfs in there |
| 12:39.01 | lcuk | you know you have enough when it slows down your network when using ssh ;) |
| 12:39.13 | lcuk | once debugged every single graphical operation as it was rendered |
| 12:39.35 | Choom | must have been a lot of spam |
| 12:39.38 | lcuk | over 10000 lines of debug per rendering stage |
| 12:39.46 | alterego | lcuk: already is |
| 12:39.55 | alterego | lcuk: nothing appears to be going wrong. |
| 12:40.10 | alterego | But location services aren't started, I remove the network plugin and location services start fine. |
| 12:40.14 | lcuk | then you are missing the area |
| 12:40.25 | alterego | I suspect some linking problem. |
| 12:43.52 | alterego | lcuk: the other point is, the plugin isn't even doing anything, it just gets loaded. |
| 12:44.16 | lcuk | "just" ;) |
| 12:44.30 | lcuk | what chance that inside your plugin you are replacing a system function |
| 12:44.53 | lcuk | that then means you are not calling official function but rather your replacement to do some critical step in the protocol |
| 12:45.36 | alterego | Yes, that's the kind of thing I was thinking. |
| 12:46.32 | alterego | otoh, a plugin is a set of classes.. |
| 12:46.40 | alterego | So I would have thought that'd be pretty hard. |
| 12:48.57 | alterego | looks at readelf and feels slighhtly christmassy |
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| 12:49.21 | lcuk | lol |
| 12:49.50 | alterego | readelf is binutils isn't it? |
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| 12:58.09 | alterego | lcuk: you any good at this kind of thing? :) |
| 12:58.30 | alterego | I don't see anything untoward in the symbol table. |
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| 13:04.03 | alterego | I'm gonna write a minimal test case .. |
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| 13:15.33 | Jaffa | X-Fade: Do you know if it's a known bug that "raw" links in garage git don't work? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=hermes;a=blob;f=package/po/hermes.pot;hb=HEAD - click 'raw' and you get an empty page with the standard header/footer rather than the resource itself. |
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| 13:17.08 | alterego | lcuk: well, I can load location services and my plugin in a test app ::/ |
| 13:17.21 | alterego | Though not now .. |
| 13:17.23 | alterego | Hrm .. |
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| 13:22.39 | alterego | So, it looks like the order of loading a plugin before starting location services breaks it. |
| 13:22.45 | alterego | s/a/the/ |
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| 13:59.09 | DocScrutinizer | order of loading indicates it's actually redefining symbols |
| 13:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | err lotheding |
| 14:02.54 | alterego | That's what I was thinking. |
| 14:03.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:03.24 | alterego | Well, my plugins depend on some of the same shared libs. |
| 14:03.31 | alterego | But that should be fine. |
| 14:03.57 | alterego | sighs, I'll have a look into it later. |
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| 14:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | what's the UID (not EUID) in postinstall scripts when called by HAM? is this user or root? |
| 14:37.38 | MohammadAG | ~seen _nicolai |
| 14:37.43 | infobot | MohammadAG: i haven't seen '_nicolai' |
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| 14:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | or let me put it this way: how to decide what's the "standard" user that owns the GUI? It might eventually change from user "user" to arbitrary different user name |
| 14:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe that way: how's optification dealing with ~user/MyDocs? There *might* be nor /home/user/MyDocs but instead a /home/joerg/MyDocs |
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| 14:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | system global generic setups (like pathes to cache etc) MUST NOT rely on arbitrary random user account details, like name of $HOME |
| 14:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 14:42.54 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 14:43.57 | DocScrutinizer | suggested fix: bindmount MyDocs to /MyDocs-generic |
| 14:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | use this path only, for ~optification |
| 14:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | even other way round: mount to /MyDocs-generic, bindmount to $HOME/MyDocs |
| 14:45.38 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 14:45.46 | timeless_mbp | anyone here ever used Nokia Messaging? |
| 14:45.50 | timeless_mbp | is scared |
| 14:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | of Nokia Messaging? hehe, me too |
| 14:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: IIRC you got a better knowledge about the guts of optification. Any comments about above elaborated topic? |
| 14:47.38 | lardman | can anyone recommend an easy Linux app to make a small png image, something like Paint.net |
| 14:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | make? |
| 14:48.09 | crashanddie | lardman, I usually use some online flash-based image editor |
| 14:48.49 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 14:48.58 | timeless_mbp | so, i got this n900 from the localization testing team |
| 14:49.03 | timeless_mbp | it's really scaring me |
| 14:49.10 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 14:53.27 | timeless_mbp | i'll post pictures once i figure out how to get them off this n900 |
| 14:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: Ass Rage mode should work, even with arabic or cyrillic directory names |
| 14:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | ctl-sh-p also works on most kbd layouts |
| 15:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly if location of 'p' key in western layouts will also trigger screenshots - when pressed together with shift + ctl - on really exotic layouts that may have 'p' on other location or no 'p' key at all |
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| 15:01.15 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/nokmes/Screenshot-20090101-082953.png |
| 15:01.24 | timeless_mbp | "Disable sync when Never" |
| 15:01.28 | timeless_mbp | that sounds great |
| 15:01.55 | timeless_mbp | oh, for the curious, if you select "Disable sync when Battery at 15%", it's perfectly legal for it to start syncing again at 14% :) |
| 15:02.18 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 15:02.27 | DocScrutinizer | :shudder: |
| 15:02.28 | timeless_mbp | anyway, i encourage people to browse through that picture set |
| 15:02.34 | timeless_mbp | it's ... impressive |
| 15:02.59 | timeless_mbp | oh, as you may notice, most nokia messaging dialogs are system modal |
| 15:03.19 | timeless_mbp | especially the "you didn't store you password, so i'm going to constantly bother you" dialog, |
| 15:03.41 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: WTF are you working on? Me Ego is breaking... |
| 15:03.59 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: i was given an n900 (CE) to replace my dead n900 |
| 15:04.20 | timeless_mbp | before i cleaned it out, i looked to see what it had |
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| 15:04.33 | timeless_mbp | it had nokia messaging w/ two accounts, plus skype and some other stuff |
| 15:04.43 | timeless_mbp | which makes it possible for me to review things |
| 15:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | oh, so that's random unsorted app crap |
| 15:04.48 | timeless_mbp | this isn't "work" |
| 15:05.01 | timeless_mbp | well, i think almost all of the pictures in that dir are from nokia messaging |
| 15:06.00 | timeless_mbp | actually, it has *two* skype accounts :o |
| 15:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | nokmes is nice. Though nokmess would fit even better? |
| 15:06.18 | timeless_mbp | i can rename |
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| 15:07.51 | timeless_mbp | ok, renamed |
| 15:08.34 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
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| 15:11.59 | rcg | hmmz.. seems like i borked my package: http://maemo.org/packages/view/binaryclock-plugin |
| 15:12.21 | rcg | any hint on how to recover from this situation? |
| 15:14.00 | rcg | i think it was caused because i accidentally had a description field as follows: http://pastebin.com/mr7HyB1Y |
| 15:14.24 | rcg | not the '.' in front of the description text |
| 15:14.28 | rcg | *note |
| 15:15.28 | rcg | now, even with a fixed description it is not picking it up |
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| 15:17.45 | petteri | seems that the twitter app Khweeteur got extras with broken dependencies |
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| 15:18.50 | user | hey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it |
| 15:20.41 | lardman | ~lart Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what |
| 15:20.41 | infobot | pulls out a ClueBat (tm) and thwaps Ubuntu's apt-get for getting stuck doing God only knows what |
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| 15:22.07 | user | hey all.. someone knows about using bluefish on n900..couldn't find recen discussions about it |
| 15:22.13 | lardman | anyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy? |
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| 15:25.48 | smhar | is there any update regarding a decent email client for N900? |
| 15:26.44 | pauly | hi |
| 15:26.46 | timeless_mbp | mail.google.com/mail/h and mail.google.com/mail/x :) |
| 15:27.58 | pauly | im trying to use transmission in easy debian for n900 but i dont think it can get access to the internet. any ideas? |
| 15:28.24 | alterego | Why not use transmission for maemo? |
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| 15:29.22 | kerio | why are you using a bittorrent client on a device with short battery life and small ram? |
| 15:29.42 | SpeedEvil | bittorrent will drain the battery in ~2-3 hours over 3g |
| 15:29.45 | khertan | Youpla ... Khweeteur ... dependencies missing ! |
| 15:30.01 | khertan | thx maemo package web promoter |
| 15:30.12 | khertan | hum no xface |
| 15:30.15 | khertan | xfade |
| 15:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | rcg: picking up descriptions takes quite a while, for some webpages |
| 15:31.20 | smhar | timeless_mbp, I meant an offline POP3 email |
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| 15:31.55 | pauly | i like to use it cause its fun |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: wasn't there some clean and purge options to apt-get? |
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| 15:34.41 | rcg | DocScrutinizer: i see.. i'll be more patient, thanks |
| 15:35.19 | MohammadAG | hmm, how do I play audio only with mplayer? |
| 15:36.19 | khertan | Someone here have admin right on the extras repository ? |
| 15:37.01 | khertan | is thinking of doing his own application installer which will use python setup tool to install his apps ... |
| 15:37.08 | MohammadAG | X-Fade |
| 15:37.32 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 15:37.45 | MohammadAG | it's like having debs and rpms on one system |
| 15:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: apt-get clean; # I guess |
| 15:38.09 | MohammadAG | that removes packages from cache DocScrutinizer |
| 15:38.28 | MohammadAG | i.e rm -rf /var/cache/apt/archives/*.deb |
| 15:38.28 | DocScrutinizer | wasn't that exactly what lardman asked for? |
| 15:38.41 | MohammadAG | I have no idea what he asked for :P |
| 15:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-23 16:22:13] <lardman> anyone know how I can purge a package from the package cache, I reckon it's broken which is making apt-get unhappy? |
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| 15:39.43 | MohammadAG | Hmm, this only clears temp |
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| 15:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: enough suspense now! Tell us how to do it right :-D |
| 15:41.43 | MohammadAG | dpkg --configure -a should tell it to stfu and work |
| 15:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | how's dpkg going to make apt-get happy again? |
| 15:43.25 | MohammadAG | apt is a frontend for dpkg :P |
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| 15:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | so is dpkg --configure -a going to clean up /var/cache/apt/archives/* ? |
| 15:44.48 | DocScrutinizer | and will remove a possibly borked file there? |
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| 15:49.20 | khertan | MohammadAG, deb or rpm can be good as they can ... but if the repository is crappy ... deb or rpm format will not help |
| 15:49.41 | khertan | MohammadAG, package promoter to extras didn't promote some dependencies |
| 15:49.42 | khertan | :) |
| 15:50.14 | MohammadAG | what section are they in? |
| 15:50.25 | khertan | don't know ... |
| 15:50.33 | khertan | it s a dependencies of a apps |
| 15:50.37 | khertan | so should be promoted too |
| 15:50.47 | MohammadAG | well, if they're in user/, they shouldn't, no |
| 15:51.01 | khertan | MohammadAG, for a liB ? |
| 15:51.07 | khertan | this is stupid |
| 15:51.16 | khertan | how did you promote a lib so ? |
| 15:51.29 | khertan | as it should promote dependencies too |
| 15:51.33 | MohammadAG | shouldn't be in user/ |
| 15:51.41 | MohammadAG | user/* even |
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| 15:51.59 | khertan | what the purpose of the test if your tests didn't use the same libs ? |
| 15:52.03 | khertan | stupid again |
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| 15:52.12 | khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python-setuptools/0.6c9-1maemo2/ |
| 15:52.14 | DocScrutinizer | user/ ?? |
| 15:52.29 | DocScrutinizer | aaah HAM categories |
| 15:52.48 | khertan | pfff |
| 15:53.08 | khertan | i already regrets coming back to maemo extras repository |
| 15:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | khertan: everybody does :-D |
| 15:53.49 | MohammadAG | when is xmas exactly over? |
| 15:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | 27.12.? |
| 15:54.04 | MohammadAG | I know it's one night, but how long do people keep saying merry xmas and all? |
| 15:54.05 | SpeedEvil | Dec 24. |
| 15:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually night of 24.->25. and the whole 25. and 26. |
| 15:54.58 | MohammadAG | is that 24 or 27? :P |
| 15:55.23 | DocScrutinizer | so 27.12. is a "normal day" |
| 15:55.46 | OEXPL | I can't find python3 for maemo. Should I compile it myself or does anybody knows where it is downloadable? I can only find 2.X. |
| 15:56.08 | MohammadAG | cause only 2.x is available :P |
| 15:56.11 | OEXPL | damn xD |
| 15:56.25 | jacekowski | python sucks |
| 15:56.31 | OEXPL | yeah whatever jacekowski |
| 15:56.34 | jacekowski | and version 3 sucks as much as version 2 |
| 15:56.50 | OEXPL | I don't care. |
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| 16:02.04 | pauly | anyone using the openjdk jre? |
| 16:03.02 | OEXPL | I can't understand why there isn't a package for python3 :/ |
| 16:03.12 | jacekowski | nobody made it |
| 16:03.14 | jacekowski | nobody cares |
| 16:03.23 | jacekowski | there is nothing new in that braindead something |
| 16:04.05 | OEXPL | I usually will hack my Qt programs in C++ for n900, but python would be good for some fast things, and I learned just 3.0, because 2.X will sooner or later die... |
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| 16:04.52 | jacekowski | python and fast in same sentence? |
| 16:05.07 | khertan | <jacekowski> python sucks < lol |
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| 16:05.41 | khertan | <jacekowski> python and fast in same sentence? << exactly |
| 16:08.04 | OEXPL | jacekowski, fast means = make some tools fast, not reletated to performance, anyway, keep trolling. |
| 16:11.26 | khertan | jacekowski, ah .... you are the guy which make unlocked fm transmitter frequency app which didn't work ... |
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| 16:24.43 | pupnik | anybody still have gitorious.org's IP address? |
| 16:25.03 | MohammadAG | #gitorious? |
| 16:25.18 | MohammadAG | <bjwebb> http://87.238.52.168/ works |
| 16:25.38 | MohammadAG | pupnik, ^ |
| 16:25.51 | pupnik | tytyty |
| 16:26.14 | MohammadAG | yw^3 |
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| 16:30.39 | zogg_ | odf is russian national standart now =) oh yeah!!! ftw |
| 16:31.08 | lardman | hmm, seemingly wasn't a broken package, I manually deleted it and it downloaded again, same size, and has now been unpacking for ~1hr |
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| 16:34.23 | khertan | DNS service for this domain has expired with DNS Made Easy |
| 16:34.25 | khertan | mouarf |
| 16:34.29 | jacekowski | khertan: it does work |
| 16:34.45 | khertan | jacekowski, doesn't for me |
| 16:34.55 | MohammadAG | worksforme |
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| 16:35.00 | jacekowski | khertan: works for everybody |
| 16:35.06 | jacekowski | khertan: what is the problem? |
| 16:35.09 | khertan | nope i ve an other case :) |
| 16:35.19 | jacekowski | khertan: just no fmtxd at all? |
| 16:35.23 | khertan | ;) |
| 16:35.26 | khertan | exactly |
| 16:35.36 | jacekowski | well, then you are doing it worn |
| 16:35.37 | jacekowski | wrong |
| 16:35.41 | jacekowski | you have to download it |
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| 16:35.46 | jacekowski | and then change chmods |
| 16:35.46 | Laurentos | maemo |
| 16:35.53 | khertan | and on the other n900 didn't see any more frequencies |
| 16:35.57 | jacekowski | Laurentos: we say hello |
| 16:36.05 | MohammadAG | lol jacekowski |
| 16:36.14 | Laurentos | maemo |
| 16:36.16 | khertan | but to be honest i didn't care ... just trolling you as you re trolling on python :) |
| 16:36.31 | jacekowski | khertan: follow that instruction step by step |
| 16:36.37 | jacekowski | khertan: people even made videos of it working |
| 16:36.38 | Laurentos | maemo |
| 16:36.46 | jacekowski | Laurentos: stop repeating youself |
| 16:36.57 | khertan | Laurentos, meego ? |
| 16:36.58 | jacekowski | Laurentos: and state your intentions |
| 16:37.02 | jacekowski | Laurentos: or we will open fire |
| 16:37.02 | Laurentos | but it's a correct word |
| 16:37.06 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, he's a bot |
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| 16:37.11 | MohammadAG | seen one before |
| 16:37.18 | MohammadAG | now it'll start calling me an idiot |
| 16:37.20 | Laurentos | mohammadag, go back to mekka |
| 16:37.24 | MohammadAG | yep |
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| 16:37.36 | MohammadAG | same bot that was here 2 months ago |
| 16:37.38 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: btw. i never asked you that |
| 16:37.43 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: are you a muslim or not? |
| 16:37.49 | Laurentos | is mekka the synonym for idiot for you, mohammad? interesting |
| 16:37.59 | MohammadAG | Doesn't my nick give it away jacekowski? :P |
| 16:38.09 | jacekowski | well, not really |
| 16:38.17 | MohammadAG | Laurentos, please fuck off, thank you :) |
| 16:38.20 | jacekowski | and you pray every day at 12:00? |
| 16:38.25 | jacekowski | and believe in 72 virgins |
| 16:38.27 | jacekowski | and stuff? |
| 16:38.29 | Laurentos | mohammadAG sucks |
| 16:38.32 | MohammadAG | no, not exactly the most religous person |
| 16:38.38 | MohammadAG | 72 virgins wtf? |
| 16:38.40 | Laurentos | mohammadag is a moron |
| 16:38.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, we have a fag |
| 16:38.49 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: after dead |
| 16:38.50 | Laurentos | mohammadag is a moron |
| 16:38.55 | jacekowski | death* |
| 16:38.59 | Laurentos | mohammadag is a moron |
| 16:39.02 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, never heard of that |
| 16:39.05 | MohammadAG | xD |
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| 16:39.16 | jacekowski | Laurentos: MohammadAG wtf? |
| 16:39.18 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: wtf? |
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| 16:39.35 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Houri |
| 16:39.41 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: The concept of 72 virgins in Islam refers to an aspect of paradise. In a collection by Imam at-Tirmidhi in his "Sunan" (Volume IV, Chapters on "The Features of Heaven as described by the Messenger of Allah", chapter 21: "About the Smallest Reward for the People of Heaven", hadith 2687) and also quoted by Ibn Kathir in his Tafsir (Qur'anic Commentary) of Surah Qur'an 55:72, it is stated that: |
| 16:39.54 | pupnik | what's your fucking problem, asswipe |
| 16:39.58 | pupnik | jacekowski: |
| 16:40.10 | jacekowski | pupnik: it's not a problem |
| 16:40.14 | pupnik | ok |
| 16:40.14 | jacekowski | pupnik: i'm just asking |
| 16:40.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's up? play nice, kids! |
| 16:40.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, bot, it was killed |
| 16:40.48 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, *reads* |
| 16:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 16:41.00 | jacekowski | lot of people here believe that muslims are people that blow themselves up and beat their wives |
| 16:41.19 | pupnik | i believe that synergy client still doesn't auto-unhide the cursor on tablets, correct? |
| 16:41.25 | rysiek|pl | yeah, the "scary terrists" |
| 16:41.53 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: beat their wives, and then blow themselves up. |
| 16:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | who killed it? |
| 16:41.55 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I don't recall that being 72 |
| 16:41.59 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: The other way round is harder |
| 16:42.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Chuck norris, err, freenode staff |
| 16:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | k, so no action needed |
| 16:42.26 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, not exactly true lol |
| 16:43.19 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, both sides have extermists |
| 16:43.30 | MohammadAG | Americans have suicide people who open fire in malls and crap |
| 16:43.48 | rysiek|pl | MohammadAG: +1 on that |
| 16:43.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: were you able to trace it down to a particular region or user? |
| 16:43.58 | pupnik | i'm surprised there aren't more funny games about that |
| 16:44.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hmm? |
| 16:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | the bot |
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| 16:44.35 | MohammadAG | * Laurentos (~Laurentos@84-75-180-79.dclient.hispeed.ch) has joined #maemo |
| 16:44.50 | rysiek|pl | and running around shouting "OMG ISLAMIST EXTREMISTS WILL KILL US" doesn't help, crates an atmosphere of fright |
| 16:45.14 | pupnik | isn't scared of anybody |
| 16:45.22 | rysiek|pl | which in turn causes people to treat alleged "terrists" badly (i.e. additional checks at airports) |
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| 16:45.39 | MohammadAG | rysiek|pl, you don't have to tell me about that |
| 16:45.50 | MohammadAG | missed the MeeGo conference cause of visa issues |
| 16:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | a schweizer :-P |
| 16:46.00 | rysiek|pl | which leads to people getting pissed off |
| 16:46.09 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro) |
| 16:46.28 | rysiek|pl | and there is no moment to make somebody do something stupid (i.e. blow himself up) when they're pissed |
| 16:46.30 | MohammadAG | o/ javispedro |
| 16:46.35 | javispedro | hello |
| 16:46.36 | rysiek|pl | *no better moment |
| 16:46.50 | javispedro | a friendly warning: skype will consume your battery today |
| 16:47.09 | MohammadAG | An explanation for that warning; servers are fucked |
| 16:47.12 | javispedro | yep |
| 16:47.15 | *** part/#maemo pupnik (~pupnik@unaffiliated/pupnik) |
| 16:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | and btw "blow their wives and beat themselves up" |
| 16:47.28 | jacekowski | javispedro: we know that |
| 16:47.28 | MohammadAG | An example for the warning: 2 batteries gone in 3 hours |
| 16:47.45 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 16:47.46 | khertan | Friendly advice : stop trying to push to gitorious.org server |
| 16:47.50 | MohammadAG | when a battery gets enormously huge |
| 16:47.53 | rysiek|pl | DocScrutinizer: have I had a wife I wouldn't probably want to beat myself up after blowing my wife... |
| 16:47.59 | MohammadAG | should I blow it up? :P |
| 16:48.03 | javispedro | search irc logs |
| 16:48.06 | khertan | seems they forgot to renew dns |
| 16:48.06 | javispedro | *searched |
| 16:48.20 | rysiek|pl | khertan: ERROR ID 10T |
| 16:48.23 | rysiek|pl | -_-' |
| 16:48.26 | MohammadAG | this thing doesn't allow the cover to close |
| 16:48.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any advice on this? |
| 16:48.45 | DocScrutinizer | err what? |
| 16:48.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my battery's "swollen" |
| 16:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | ABANDON AREA! DUCK AND COVER! |
| 16:49.16 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: replace it |
| 16:49.26 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you may be able to get it replaced. |
| 16:49.30 | rysiek|pl | ACTIVATE RESTON5 |
| 16:49.32 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: as it shouldn't do that. |
| 16:49.34 | MohammadAG | and if I don't? |
| 16:49.41 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: risks popping |
| 16:49.45 | MohammadAG | Would it implode/explode/eat people |
| 16:49.50 | MohammadAG | popping? |
| 16:49.59 | MohammadAG | expected explosions and stuff |
| 16:49.59 | rysiek|pl | snap crackle and pop |
| 16:50.03 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU |
| 16:50.06 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 16:50.12 | rysiek|pl | MohammadAG: and you say you're not a "terrist" |
| 16:50.23 | MohammadAG | rysiek|pl, I terrorise mobiles |
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| 16:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, my daily mbarcode update :-D |
| 16:51.07 | rysiek|pl | MohammadAG: as long as you're not mobilising terrorists, I'm cool |
| 16:51.36 | MohammadAG | rysiek|pl, I do that quite well, in CoD |
| 16:52.14 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, that's called a "pop"? |
| 16:52.14 | rysiek|pl | MohammadAG: don't try it IRL/AFK, or you'll get a visit from DoD ;) |
| 16:53.15 | MohammadAG | If that's a pop |
| 16:53.22 | MohammadAG | what do sites mean when a battery explodes? |
| 16:53.47 | MohammadAG | I wonder how that would go when we get nuclear batteries |
| 16:54.17 | MohammadAG | *gets pissed, removes battery cover, tears off pins, throws battery* |
| 16:54.19 | Jaffa | "Kaboom. There was supposed to be a kaboom" |
| 16:54.39 | MohammadAG | oh hey Jaffa :) |
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| 17:01.27 | khertan | Jaffa, any admin access to maemo repository ? |
| 17:02.05 | khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/khweeteur/0.0.52-1/ |
| 17:02.15 | khertan | have broken dependencies in extras :) |
| 17:02.19 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: If you don't actually stab them, the result tends to be a lot more modest |
| 17:02.29 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: fire can still result, though is not as likely |
| 17:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you you managed to get that pregnant battery? |
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| 17:24.45 | kerio | dude, you should always use a condom |
| 17:28.19 | dneary | All done with maemo paid work... |
| 17:28.32 | dneary | It'll be interesting to see if anyone notices in January ;) |
| 17:29.52 | MohammadAG | will :P |
| 17:29.55 | MohammadAG | kerio, I was out |
| 17:30.07 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> lcuk, this is one f***ing nice concept :D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FlcfB9ZPmJw |
| 17:30.08 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> basically, pause the video, let it load, then play it, and use the numbers in the video |
| 17:30.09 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> read the comments, people came up with nice notes :D |
| 17:32.33 | kerio | OH SHIT THAT'S AWESOME |
| 17:33.46 | MohammadAG | play star wars, it's in the comments |
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| 17:35.24 | rysiek|pl | that. is. awesome. |
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| 17:37.45 | xim_ | is it possible to extract sms messages off my n900 in a way they can be read on a pc? |
| 17:42.28 | xim_ | so i read that its stored in an sqlite database, which it turns out i am comfortable using, any idea where the file with the database in it is stored? |
| 17:42.46 | khertan | oh god downloading n900 image 2Ko/s |
| 17:42.47 | khertan | ouch |
| 17:43.25 | khertan | there isn't any 64b flasher ? |
| 17:47.25 | MohammadAG | khertan, linux? |
| 17:47.38 | khertan | yep |
| 17:47.54 | MohammadAG | debian? |
| 17:48.00 | MohammadAG | --force-architecture when installing it |
| 17:48.04 | khertan | yep |
| 17:48.16 | khertan | but this mean also 32bit libs :) |
| 17:48.29 | MohammadAG | you need ia32-libs |
| 17:48.31 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 17:48.39 | khertan | which i didn't on the pc i m currently |
| 17:48.40 | khertan | :) |
| 17:48.46 | khertan | which i didn't install on the pc i m currently |
| 17:48.57 | khertan | due to insecurity of this thing :) |
| 17:49.09 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 17:49.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, did you give vsync drivers a shot on MeeGo? |
| 17:49.30 | khertan | but hum ... will use an other machine so :) |
| 17:49.40 | MohammadAG | crap, flashed the kernel instead of loading it temporarly |
| 17:49.45 | MohammadAG | temporarily even |
| 17:50.12 | khertan | :) |
| 17:50.32 | MohammadAG | meego's actually very usable with it |
| 17:50.44 | MohammadAG | cept for some minor major stuff, like no phone daemon running :) |
| 17:51.07 | khertan | i will not call this minor |
| 17:51.08 | khertan | :) |
| 17:51.19 | MohammadAG | as I said, minor major :P |
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| 17:51.31 | khertan | this other major seems have been fixed recently : pyside :) |
| 17:51.41 | khertan | ok not major for everyone :) |
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| 18:05.20 | lardman | is it possible to remove an item from the updates list? |
| 18:05.23 | lardman | in HAM |
| 18:05.29 | lardman | i.e. ignore it |
| 18:07.06 | lardman | I'd like to ignore the kernel-power v46 update as it removes the ability to boot Meego, and am getting bored of having to click each package one by one to update them |
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| 18:11.13 | MohammadAG | lardman, update to kernel-power 46 |
| 18:11.21 | MohammadAG | then install my package, uboot-power |
| 18:11.28 | MohammadAG | it's based on v46 |
| 18:11.45 | lardman | that works ok then? |
| 18:12.00 | MohammadAG | yep, ask DocScrutinizer :) |
| 18:12.02 | lardman | I couldn't quite work out whether it would do what it said in the package description, so I steered clear |
| 18:12.32 | MohammadAG | it bites heads off :P |
| 18:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | uboot-power46 comes with pk, at least I never installed pk prior to or after it |
| 18:12.53 | lardman | ok |
| 18:13.08 | MohammadAG | just make sure you have the latest kp modules |
| 18:13.12 | MohammadAG | i.e update kernel-power |
| 18:13.23 | lardman | MohammadAG: has the new media player dropped files? I only see 3 source files + 3 headers + 3 ui files |
| 18:13.26 | DocScrutinizer | just installed uboot-p46 and h-e-n. everything fine :-D |
| 18:13.41 | MohammadAG | lardman, I don't recall it did :P |
| 18:13.51 | lardman | ah 4 source + headers |
| 18:14.00 | lardman | iirc it had more, perhaps I'm going mad |
| 18:14.10 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/trees/master |
| 18:14.17 | MohammadAG | no, it's more |
| 18:14.36 | MohammadAG | have a look at http://gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer |
| 18:14.49 | MohammadAG | I need to figure out how to process merge requests |
| 18:15.31 | lardman | I need to work out how to git pull |
| 18:16.13 | lcuk | lardman, "git clone http://git.gitorious.org/~slauwers/qt-mediaplayer/slauwers-foss-mediaplayer.git" |
| 18:16.30 | lardman | which one is the active one? |
| 18:16.47 | lardman | lcuk: ah, I was meaning to ask you to point me towards your postinst scripts |
| 18:17.00 | Jaffa | khertan: nope. best is to raise an urgent bug |
| 18:17.07 | lardman | I've sorted the decoding and python plugin issues, so am pretty much ready to shoot for Extras proper |
| 18:17.09 | lcuk | lardman, preinst |
| 18:17.21 | lardman | well either way ;) |
| 18:18.08 | lardman | amazing how much work one can do by stringing together more than an hour at a time when you're tired in the evening! |
| 18:18.20 | lcuk | https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/debian/libliqbase1.preinst#L7 |
| 18:18.25 | lardman | thanks |
| 18:18.59 | lcuk | and its possible to find issues, if noticed then let me know |
| 18:19.08 | lardman | will do |
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| 18:21.37 | lardman | it's only taken me 2 years, but now I can get on with the app that I wanted to write using barcode scanning (via mBarcode) |
| 18:21.40 | lardman | all good :) |
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| 18:25.13 | lardman | hmm, what's up with the extra telepathy plugins |
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| 18:25.23 | lardman | ah, extras-devel probably |
| 18:27.57 | lardman | MohammadAG: the only thing HAM shows me with uboot in the name is uboot-pr13 |
| 18:28.49 | lardman | apt-get job I guess? |
| 18:29.28 | MohammadAG | Hmm, I put it in the same section I think |
| 18:29.44 | MohammadAG | lardman, http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/ |
| 18:30.23 | lardman | I had a repo update error, so that may be it |
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| 18:32.13 | lardman | MohammadAG: installed via apt-get and works fine, thanks :) |
| 18:32.32 | lardman | so in retrospect, not sure what was wrong with HAM there |
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| 18:40.49 | esaym153 | anyone wanting to sell me a cheap n900? |
| 18:41.35 | SpeedEvil | I want to sell the world cheap n900s. |
| 18:41.39 | SpeedEvil | Ic an't - but I want to. |
| 18:41.56 | Noma | i want to sell you a expensive n900 |
| 18:43.21 | esaym153 | Noma: I might be interested |
| 18:43.38 | steinex | esaym153: germany? |
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| 18:43.42 | esaym153 | USA |
| 18:43.51 | steinex | kk, then i'm out |
| 18:43.54 | Noma | i'm in finland so i think it really might be expensive for you |
| 18:44.09 | steinex | i could sell you a vodafone.de-locked one |
| 18:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | heh, actually locked? |
| 18:44.44 | chx | esaym153: hey i have a warehouse worth of cheap n900 phones here but need to pay a small customs fee to access to them, care wire me some 5000 dollars ? |
| 18:44.49 | DocScrutinizer | simlock or netlock? |
| 18:45.01 | steinex | netlock |
| 18:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 18:45.24 | esaym153 | unlocked hopefully... |
| 18:45.24 | steinex | at least i think so ;) |
| 18:45.31 | esaym153 | chx: 5000 yen? |
| 18:45.32 | steinex | i'm not actually sure |
| 18:45.55 | mikki-kun | can a n900 be netlocked? |
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| 18:46.22 | mikki-kun | and even if, reinstalling new pr should kill it |
| 18:47.08 | MohammadAG | or so you think :P |
| 18:47.10 | steinex | mikki-kun: yeah might be, i've upgraded it to 1.3 and never cared if another sim/net works |
| 18:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | mikki-kun: that's quite questionable. the cellmo FW is closed |
| 18:48.15 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: but how on earth can they netlock it? |
| 18:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | and if there's a lock bit set in some config area in cellmo, then you won't unlock it by a simple reflash |
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| 18:48.32 | mikki-kun | special permission by nokia? |
| 18:48.42 | MohammadAG | not really |
| 18:48.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's done by Nokia |
| 18:48.48 | MohammadAG | locking is possible since PR1.1 |
| 18:48.49 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö |
| 18:48.53 | mikki-kun | omfg |
| 18:49.02 | steinex | netlock = every vodafone.de sim works, right? |
| 18:49.10 | steinex | simlock = just this very sim works? |
| 18:49.13 | MohammadAG | that's why there's an Unlock operator crap option in Settings > tap title bar |
| 18:50.36 | DocScrutinizer | netlock=every SIM of e.g simyo or mobilecm or whatever works, as long as same carrier network. Simlock=only vodafone sims work |
| 18:51.07 | DocScrutinizer | for some weird reason it seems netlocks are harder to unlock than simlocks |
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| 18:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | also yoiu can't roam with netlocked phone |
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| 18:52.02 | DocScrutinizer | I might be wrong though |
| 18:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: exactly |
| 18:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | I think in Pr<1.1 this has been a button to enter PUK, there in settings-menu. Wonder where's that gone |
| 18:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | aah, yeah. nevermind |
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| 19:01.20 | Choom | are there any carriers actually selling locked N900? |
| 19:01.39 | chx | wait, are there any carries actually sellling N900? |
| 19:01.42 | zogg_ | DocScrutinizer iphone rulezzzz |
| 19:02.17 | Choom | zogg_: if you're willing to bend over and take it from apple, then I agree, otherwise it's way too uncomfortable to bear |
| 19:03.15 | zogg_ | Choom, you don't get it, they have tap tap revenge 4 |
| 19:03.39 | zogg_ | and if you want to be serious it's better gay sex than no sex in life is Nokia is not interested in you anymore |
| 19:05.12 | RST38h | mmm |
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| 19:06.01 | zogg_ | RST38h are you happy for ODF elected to be your national standart? |
| 19:06.17 | Choom | zogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way treats both developers and customers with the app store |
| 19:06.32 | Choom | zogg_: personally I do not appreciate the way *apple* treats both developers and customers with the app store |
| 19:06.35 | zogg_ | RST38h, and that mihalkov wants 1% of phones from Nokia, HTC and Samsung for copyright content ? |
| 19:07.00 | zogg_ | Choom and you are very happy for OVI? |
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| 19:07.13 | RST38h | zogg_: What are you? And what are you talking about? |
| 19:07.22 | Choom | until they give up on their monopolistic behavior (or get sued to oblivion like Microsoft did over IE and interoperability in the EU) they shall never see a single cent from me |
| 19:07.51 | zogg_ | and don't say there are official repos, cause it's community work there so devs work for maemo repo for experience users is liek devs jailbreak and open repos for iphone for experience users =) |
| 19:07.55 | Choom | zogg_: I'm happy for not being locked to OVI |
| 19:08.18 | zogg_ | RST38h, забÑл Ð¼ÐµÐ½Ñ ? =( |
| 19:08.34 | Choom | zogg_: jailbreaking isn't legal in the EU, which happens to be where I live |
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| 19:08.52 | RST38h | does not readUnicode |
| 19:09.01 | Choom | ZogG: it also comes with the problem of voiding the warranty, which in the EU is of 2 years for all consumer products |
| 19:09.04 | Choom | oops |
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| 19:09.12 | evilsquelch | hello |
| 19:09.23 | Choom | ah, it completed to the right name |
| 19:09.30 | evilsquelch | hello |
| 19:09.38 | evilsquelch | anyone have nitdroid working? |
| 19:09.51 | ZogG | RST38h hmmm, do you use cp1251? |
| 19:10.28 | ZogG | evilsquelch if you want 2.3 don't ask - just wait |
| 19:11.02 | RST38h | ZogG: this particular console is latin |
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| 19:11.18 | ZogG | RST38h, aren't you russian? |
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| 19:11.34 | RST38h | in a way, yes |
| 19:13.45 | ZogG | RST38h damn i was too inactive here for a long time u forgot me =( |
| 19:13.59 | ZogG | even DocScrutinizer doesn't liek me like before |
| 19:14.22 | ZogG | and DocScrutinizer-8 is not cool as DocScrutinizer51 |
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| 19:16.49 | RST38h | ZogG: No, you have not been trolling before and now you are trolling =) |
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| 19:18.09 | ZogG | RST38h i was always been trolling =) |
| 19:18.16 | ZogG | have* |
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| 19:19.10 | ZogG | just i was trolling fat and for joek, and even now i do, but about apple and nokia sex - it's kinda true, though i hate apple =) |
| 19:19.37 | nox- | moin |
| 19:20.51 | ZogG | btw as i'm not expert in linux and deb based OS specially, how can i reinstall whole system (not flashing), or check ifall packages are not broken? |
| 19:22.01 | ZogG | just ran rm -R /var/lib/dpkg instead of /var/lib/dpkg/lock and though i stoped it still removed something |
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| 19:22.57 | RST38h | apt-get -f |
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| 19:23.52 | lcuk | apt-get -ohcrap |
| 19:27.00 | MohammadAG | ZogG, you're hopeless, reinstall the whole OS |
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| 19:33.40 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 19:34.19 | kerio | ZogG: hahaha |
| 19:34.37 | kerio | lcuk: apt-get should totally get a -ohcrap option |
| 19:34.41 | kerio | emergency dpkg reinstall |
| 19:35.34 | lcuk | kerio, ALL apps should have that option |
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| 19:37.30 | kerio | yeah but it makes sense for apt |
| 19:37.41 | Venemo | kerio: what do you mean by emergency dpkg reinstall? |
| 19:37.53 | kerio | well, less dpkg and more everything |
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| 19:38.04 | kerio | say, you run a rm -rf / by mistake as root |
| 19:38.19 | kerio | if you still have apt-get, you should be able to get a working system back with apt-get -ohcrap |
| 19:38.36 | khertan | 6 hours to download a fucking n900 image |
| 19:38.41 | xim_ | i question your pressuppostions |
| 19:38.43 | khertan | nokia servers sucks ! |
| 19:39.01 | khertan | and md5sums failed |
| 19:39.23 | Venemo | kerio: well if you rm -rf / then you won't have apt either |
| 19:39.40 | xim_ | is the n900 dying? |
| 19:39.49 | xim_ | i read nokia stopped supporting it |
| 19:39.58 | kerio | Venemo: if you ^c it in time |
| 19:40.09 | kerio | maybe you lose half of /bin/ but you keep /usr/bin/apt-get |
| 19:41.01 | evilsquelch | i just reflashed my n900 |
| 19:41.06 | evilsquelch | so many updates for maemo5 |
| 19:41.24 | MohammadAG | khertan, blame your internet :P |
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| 19:41.35 | evilsquelch | xim_: i am sure it is |
| 19:41.48 | evilsquelch | xim_: but as long as there is a community it will be fine |
| 19:41.51 | lcuk | khertan, eepi would guess though that the errors come between leaving maemo servers and entering your device, since more people would notice md5 errors |
| 19:41.55 | khertan | MohammadAG, lol i ven't any problem except with nokia server tablet-dev |
| 19:42.03 | lcuk | ie not a maemo problem? |
| 19:42.03 | piggz | xim_: and it is an ace phone, for me anyway! |
| 19:42.31 | khertan | lcuk, the md5 error is due to download error |
| 19:42.33 | MohammadAG | downloads meego netbook |
| 19:42.38 | lcuk | yes |
| 19:42.43 | MohammadAG | khertan, not a server error |
| 19:43.00 | lcuk | and are there to help you diagnose if your internet cloud is shite |
| 19:43.26 | khertan | MohammadAG, probably not a server error but one of this fucking not working nokia cache servers |
| 19:43.34 | khertan | is angry |
| 19:43.48 | MohammadAG | hands khertan his ISP's number |
| 19:43.54 | MohammadAG | the caches are fine |
| 19:44.02 | lcuk | khertan, was it mobile broadband? |
| 19:44.17 | lcuk | MohammadAG, specific dependencies for FOSS mediaplayer? |
| 19:44.24 | khertan | MohammadAG, the problem isn't the isp as else i ll get problem with many other site |
| 19:44.28 | khertan | which isn't the case |
| 19:44.28 | xim_ | i love mine, was the n900 ever for sale publicly? i got mine as a gift from someone who had multiple early promo versions? did yall buy yours at stores? |
| 19:44.35 | khertan | lcuk, nope on my desktop |
| 19:44.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm? |
| 19:44.59 | xim_ | http://computer-forensics.sans.org/blog/2010/03/17/nokia-n900-forensic-cheat-sheet/ |
| 19:45.04 | khertan | and the tablets-dev server has always been slow |
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| 19:45.20 | khertan | from home, from workt too, for other people i know too |
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| 19:45.32 | khertan | but today ... it s worst than ever |
| 19:45.40 | evilsquelch | maemo 5 20.2010.36-2.002 takes forever |
| 19:45.43 | evilsquelch | blegh |
| 19:45.51 | xim_ | evilsquelch, any tips for someone about to reflash their device in like 10 minutes? |
| 19:45.51 | lcuk | khertan, :) time to try meego then, more server power |
| 19:46.01 | evilsquelch | 132.5mb of forever |
| 19:46.19 | evilsquelch | xim_: no real tip, just don't add the other repos until after your updates |
| 19:46.33 | evilsquelch | xim_: mine froze up when i tried to do that |
| 19:46.59 | evilsquelch | it was updating while i was changing repos, the n900 doesn't like that |
| 19:47.04 | khertan | lcuk, lol and if i use a proxy from finland ... i download it at 450Kb/S |
| 19:47.24 | khertan | lcuk, hum ... n900 meego image are located at the same place |
| 19:47.28 | khertan | :( |
| 19:47.47 | MohammadAG | khertan, no, repo.meego.com/builds I think |
| 19:47.48 | khertan | lcuk, or maybe you mean meego from an other manufacturer :) |
| 19:47.49 | xim_ | evilsquelch, gotcha |
| 19:47.55 | MohammadAG | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/ |
| 19:48.08 | khertan | MohammadAG, was talking of the meego builds for n900 |
| 19:48.09 | khertan | :) |
| 19:48.28 | MohammadAG | khertan, that has N900 builds |
| 19:48.32 | khertan | to be honest i didn't think i ll move with meego |
| 19:48.38 | lcuk | the ones on tablet-dev are not standard |
| 19:48.56 | lcuk | normal proper inline integrated real builds of meego are from server MohammadAG pointed to |
| 19:48.59 | MohammadAG | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.80/1.1.80.11.20101221.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/meego-handset-armv7l-n900-1.1.80.11.20101221.1-mmcblk0p.raw.bz2 |
| 19:49.07 | MohammadAG | lcuk, hmm? |
| 19:49.19 | MohammadAG | lcuk, what does not standard mean? |
| 19:49.32 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:50.58 | evilsquelch | xim_: look at long waits as maemo5 updates too |
| 19:51.44 | xim_ | evilsquelch, did you flash the rootfs only or eMMC and rootfs? |
| 19:52.37 | khertan | not standart mean with phone working ? |
| 19:52.41 | evilsquelch | xim_: i did combo flash |
| 19:52.43 | evilsquelch | all |
| 19:52.55 | khertan | but meego isn't ready to be use |
| 19:54.30 | xim_ | evilsquelch, sorry to ask so many questions but did you do it manually like on this page? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:54.37 | khertan | and didn't work on my n900 |
| 19:54.57 | khertan | by didn't work i would say isn't useable on my n900 |
| 19:54.58 | evilsquelch | yep |
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| 19:55.10 | khertan | 2 min to load a terminal |
| 19:55.16 | khertan | result in a white screen |
| 19:55.20 | evilsquelch | xim_: used my fedora laptop and flasher-3.5 |
| 19:55.31 | xim_ | cool thanks |
| 19:55.45 | khertan | i ll stick with maemo which i prefer |
| 19:55.45 | khertan | :) |
| 19:55.51 | evilsquelch | not a problem |
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| 20:37.19 | MohammadAG | muhahaha |
| 20:37.35 | MohammadAG | my device flashed with a fully dead battery (MeeGo-dead) |
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| 20:38.36 | MohammadAG | argh |
| 20:38.38 | MohammadAG | stabs it |
| 20:39.01 | MohammadAG | It booted up fully, then bme shut it down after saying "Recharge battery" |
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| 20:41.15 | khertan | MohammadAG, lucky you are i'm still downloading the image ... |
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| 20:44.10 | Sicelo | MohammadAG, what happens when you connect phone to charger? |
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| 20:47.50 | javispedro | hm |
| 20:48.00 | javispedro | did we finally invent a way to remotely punch TMO users in the face? |
| 20:48.11 | MohammadAG | It'd charge I guess, I just have it connected over USB |
| 20:48.37 | khertan | javispedro, ignoring them ? |
| 20:48.54 | javispedro | khertan: i'd wish, but he keeps stalking me and posting bullshit on my threads |
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| 20:49.58 | khertan | javispedro, as usual ... release an app an people will complain |
| 20:49.58 | javispedro | at this point I'd need a way to ignore the comments he puts on gitorious =) |
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| 20:50.11 | khertan | add a feature and they will complain for an other |
| 20:50.20 | khertan | people are always whinning |
| 20:50.34 | khertan | complain about slowness of nokia servers |
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| 21:24.40 | Pradeep | alterego, wats up |
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| 21:28.55 | xim_ | im trying to download the recent firmwarez for my n900 should i get the global one or the usa one? (being that I live in the USA) |
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| 21:30.30 | xim_ | what is the global varient? |
| 21:31.05 | Pradeep | xim_, hmmm cant really say but i stay in nigeria and i downloaded the global firmware |
| 21:32.13 | xim_ | i bet its like celsius/farenheit color/colour hood/bonnet type stuff |
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| 21:35.09 | Pradeep | i think the global should everywhere |
| 21:35.10 | Pradeep | xim_, have you update before |
| 21:35.10 | Pradeep | xim_, u there |
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| 21:37.32 | Pradeep | ok there you download both |
| 21:37.45 | xim_ | im here |
| 21:38.14 | xim_ | i see |
| 21:38.28 | Pradeep | n use it till you find which is suitable |
| 21:38.51 | xim_ | right, good thinking |
| 21:39.22 | RST38h | Bank of America has snapped up hundreds of abusive domain names for its senior executives and board members in what is being perceived as a defensive strategy against the future publication of damaging insider info from whistleblowing Website WikiLeaks. |
| 21:39.28 | Pradeep | so it all depends |
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| 21:40.09 | javispedro | RST38h: is there a list of examples? |
| 21:43.04 | Pradeep | but have you used a flasher before... |
| 21:43.04 | Pradeep | huh? |
| 21:43.30 | xim_ | Pradeep, just my desktop/laptop bios |
| 21:44.04 | xim_ | i see all these rules about this tho (Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes.) |
| 21:44.12 | OEXPL | Hmm, Why is the CPU transperacy list empty, even when I installed the cputransp devkit? |
| 21:44.25 | Pradeep | sounds funny |
| 21:44.36 | OEXPL | in scratchbox |
| 21:48.10 | Pradeep | ok |
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| 21:50.29 | lardman | Merry Christmas all if I'm not online tomorrow |
| 21:51.25 | kerio | happy Yuletide |
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| 21:52.27 | Pradeep | same to you man |
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| 22:00.38 | Pradeep | is there any telnet app on n900 |
| 22:01.34 | kerio | there's telnet |
| 22:04.11 | Pradeep | i can't find it in my app manager |
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| 22:12.59 | Pradeep | i did not see it in my app manager |
| 22:13.46 | nox- | maybe its in tools or extras? |
| 22:14.33 | fiberspeed | or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal |
| 22:15.57 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 22:16.23 | MohammadAG | of all materials to make keyboards, HP has to use glossy crap |
| 22:16.23 | MohammadAG | couldn't they have used matte |
| 22:16.24 | SpeedEvil | You look at keyboards? |
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| 22:16.58 | Choom | I do, my keyboard has a color display |
| 22:17.05 | Choom | 320x240 |
| 22:17.18 | SpeedEvil | Well - that's an excuse. |
| 22:17.23 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, no, but my fingers feel them |
| 22:17.29 | SpeedEvil | continues typing under the blankets. |
| 22:17.42 | MohammadAG | it's not that |
| 22:17.46 | MohammadAG | the keys just feel oily |
| 22:17.51 | MohammadAG | and no, it's not my hands |
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| 22:21.12 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: use stickers |
| 22:21.24 | luke-jr | label it dvorak-tonal style :D |
| 22:22.09 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, no, they ruin the look of a clean keyboard |
| 22:23.14 | luke-jr | pfft |
| 22:23.21 | luke-jr | [17:16:24] <SpeedEvil> You look at keyboards? |
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| 22:37.47 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, from reading the strings, it is more magical |
| 22:37.59 | timeless_mbp | it understands Sun+Sat = Weekends and Mon-Fri = Weekdays |
| 22:38.30 | Pradeep | i need to telnet into my router now |
| 22:38.36 | luke-jr | Pradeep: telnet is lame |
| 22:38.48 | luke-jr | [17:14:33] <fiberspeed> or just run apt-get install telnet as root in your terminal |
| 22:38.51 | Pradeep | please is there app for that |
| 22:38.55 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: and the rest are custom? |
| 22:38.58 | luke-jr | you've been helped. stfu :P |
| 22:39.15 | timeless_mbp | well it supports 'never' in the strings |
| 22:39.30 | timeless_mbp | which means there's an impedance mismatch :o |
| 22:39.34 | Pradeep | could not find it |
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| 22:39.47 | luke-jr | Pradeep: sudo apt-get install telnet |
| 22:39.53 | kerio | Pradeep: enable extras-testing and extras-devel |
| 22:40.11 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: interestingly, mfe doesn't |
| 22:40.12 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, sudo eh? |
| 22:40.18 | Pradeep | where is that |
| 22:40.39 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: also, it gets the oh no you can't tap on that button now thing |
| 22:40.55 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 22:40.56 | sp3000 | but it's not being secretive about a list of days |
| 22:41.24 | sp3000 | the only special it knows about is daily afaict |
| 22:41.24 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, is it just me, or did browsing history disappear in microB? |
| 22:41.34 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: disappear? |
| 22:41.41 | sp3000 | but obviously these uis doing the same thing never met each other ;) |
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| 22:41.51 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: of course not! |
| 22:42.06 | timeless_mbp | why should similar UIs meet? |
| 22:42.08 | MohammadAG | yeah, the View browsing history button disappeared |
| 22:42.16 | MohammadAG | the one when you open the stacked window with recent pages |
| 22:42.18 | sp3000 | why did the ui cross the road |
| 22:42.36 | MohammadAG | to lay a child |
| 22:42.52 | xim_ | so i flashed my eMMC and rootfs, do i also need to do a maemo5 update somehow? |
| 22:42.59 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i have it in visual history |
| 22:43.09 | timeless_mbp | which i got from landscape mode's tooolbar |
| 22:43.12 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, hmm, weird, I don't :S |
| 22:43.16 | timeless_mbp | s/ooo/oo |
| 22:43.21 | sp3000 | it didn't -- there was already another instance doing the same thing there, and why would they talk to each other :) |
| 22:44.17 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 22:46.51 | Venemo | merry christmas Maemo folks! I'll probably not be online tomorrow, so now is the time to say this |
| 22:47.04 | sp3000 | this |
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| 22:47.37 | timeless_mbp | tries to figure out how to replace 'Customized' |
| 22:47.43 | xim_ | is there any other way to upgrade your os besides the update button in app manager? |
| 22:47.45 | timeless_mbp | i've changed 'Days' to 'Schedule' |
| 22:47.49 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: "Some". |
| 22:47.51 | timeless_mbp | but you're right, i should use the word from mfe |
| 22:48.17 | sp3000 | "Tap here to find out for free!" |
| 22:48.32 | timeless_mbp | sadly mfe has <peak days> and <peak interval> |
| 22:48.38 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 22:48.48 | timeless_mbp | but NM doesn't have off peak |
| 22:49.07 | timeless_mbp | nor does it have <sync schedule> as a heading |
| 22:49.19 | timeless_mbp | so i'm happy w/ <schedule> instead of days |
| 22:49.29 | timeless_mbp | I think <hours> becomes <interval> |
| 22:49.56 | timeless_mbp | oh, no, gah |
| 22:50.04 | timeless_mbp | <hours> is actually <start-end> time |
| 22:50.10 | timeless_mbp | "Sync window" ? |
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| 22:51.17 | Pradeep | how do i enable extra-devel, extra-testing |
| 22:51.44 | timeless_mbp | sighs @ "all day long" |
| 22:51.52 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 22:51.59 | timeless_mbp | 9-5 is "business hours" |
| 22:52.04 | timeless_mbp | what the heck is 8-6? |
| 22:52.18 | SpeedEvil | Workaholics buisness hours |
| 22:52.51 | sp3000 | commutes and things |
| 22:52.54 | timeless_mbp | oh cute |
| 22:53.08 | timeless_mbp | this lets me select hours: 12:01 AM - 12:00 AM |
| 22:53.11 | timeless_mbp | wonders what that does |
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| 22:53.45 | sp3000 | is there an all night long too? |
| 22:53.46 | timeless_mbp | it also allows 01:01 AM - 01:00 AM |
| 22:53.53 | sp3000 | sync you long time? |
| 22:53.59 | timeless_mbp | note the leading 0 because these people are *idiots* |
| 22:54.19 | timeless_mbp | wonders where-tf they got that string from |
| 22:55.29 | Pradeep | anyone helping |
| 22:55.46 | timeless_mbp | Pradeep: err, wiki.maemo.org/ |
| 22:56.20 | Venemo | byebye |
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| 23:00.23 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 23:00.35 | timeless_mbp | more <binary-file> corrupts osso-xterm :( |
| 23:01.01 | jacekowski | like any other terminal |
| 23:01.08 | jacekowski | type |
| 23:01.10 | jacekowski | reset |
| 23:01.11 | jacekowski | and press enter |
| 23:01.15 | timeless_mbp | doesn't work |
| 23:01.18 | timeless_mbp | unlike normal terminals |
| 23:01.32 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 23:01.41 | kerio | use screen or tmux |
| 23:01.45 | javispedro | isn't there a reset&clean entry on menu now also |
| 23:01.50 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: think i can ask robut for info about this crap? |
| 23:01.53 | MohammadAG | reset works for me |
| 23:02.16 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: |
| 23:02.33 | MohammadAG | yeah? |
| 23:02.39 | timeless_mbp | more /usr/lib/modest/mail-plugins/libodsplugin.so |
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| 23:04.43 | xim_ | i just reflashed my phone and now i dont know the sudo password!? help |
| 23:04.53 | MohammadAG | yep, reset works fine timeless_mbp |
| 23:05.04 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 23:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: was that you who pointed me to the new version / successor of libcal |
| 23:05.07 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 23:05.13 | timeless_mbp | xim_: there isn't one |
| 23:05.20 | timeless_mbp | ~rootsh |
| 23:05.20 | infobot | hmm... rootsh is an easy way to get root and it's found here: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/OS2008/rootsh/, or http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/rootsh/ |
| 23:05.37 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: maybe |
| 23:05.44 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i remember discussion about it |
| 23:05.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i mean, that somebody made a replacement for it |
| 23:05.57 | jacekowski | but it was quite a long time ago |
| 23:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it libsysinfo or sth? |
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| 23:06.36 | jacekowski | i don't remember |
| 23:06.40 | jacekowski | i can grep my logs |
| 23:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | I should just ~ask |
| 23:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | where to look to learn about calibration partition? |
| 23:07.49 | jacekowski | it's nowhere in official docs |
| 23:07.51 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: wtf is up w/ bug 621229? |
| 23:07.52 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/621229 was not found. |
| 23:08.03 | DocScrutinizer | What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date |
| 23:08.03 | jacekowski | i'm just using my favorite disassembler |
| 23:08.45 | sp3000 | I think there's another bug for that but icbw |
| 23:09.24 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: searching trough my logs is going to be more complicated than i thought |
| 23:09.52 | jacekowski | because just looking for "cal" is returning way more results than i would like |
| 23:10.01 | MohammadAG | cat Freenode-#maemo.log | grep cal |
| 23:10.11 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: what do you need to know? |
| 23:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I just managed to erase backscroll in ALL my Konversation windows - no idea how |
| 23:10.19 | timeless_mbp | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 |
| 23:10.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, CTRL+L maybe |
| 23:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: I want to understand how uBoot can learn to access calib partition |
| 23:11.25 | sp3000 | ...dup. |
| 23:11.32 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: uboots has to undersand how to read nand |
| 23:11.37 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: do we know this guy? |
| 23:11.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that seems to be no real problem |
| 23:11.59 | sp3000 | iirc you did eventually meet tom |
| 23:12.10 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: then we can just read specific block |
| 23:12.14 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and write it |
| 23:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:12.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: without worrying about allocating anything |
| 23:12.27 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: or messing around with versions |
| 23:12.45 | jacekowski | so create block using normal nokia libcal |
| 23:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | I'd feel better dealing with CAL records in the "right way" |
| 23:12.57 | jacekowski | and then just update it in place |
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| 23:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | aiui uBoot used exactly same simple scheme for its env partition |
| 23:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | so my idea was uBoot learns to treat calib partiton as his very genuine env and you can access all CAL settings and read&store uBoot envs |
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| 23:15.32 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: ok, so why didn't he know about the other bug? |
| 23:16.05 | sp3000 | shrubbery |
| 23:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: what exactly was the point in that post #5? |
| 23:16.16 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: full cal implementation will require full nand implementation |
| 23:16.24 | jacekowski | including locking/unlocking otp blocks |
| 23:16.25 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: you asked what it was |
| 23:16.28 | timeless_mbp | that's what it is :) |
| 23:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: sorry, I don't get it |
| 23:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-24 00:07:08] <DocScrutinizer> where to look to learn about calibration partition? [2010-12-24 00:08:02] <DocScrutinizer> What is CAL? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date [2010-12-24 00:10:19] <timeless_mbp> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=186162&postcount=5 |
| 23:17.44 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: the definition of what <c><a><l> is hasn't changed |
| 23:17.56 | timeless_mbp | that url is still as correct as it was when it was posted |
| 23:18.03 | jacekowski | 19:19 < slonopotamus> jacekowski: that's what i have currently: http://git.slonopotamus.org/?p=opendsme;a=blob;f=src/libopencal.c;h=fcb51c82e9de2ac53ee468606b98ac602111d01d;hb=HEAD#l437 |
| 23:18.08 | jacekowski | hah |
| 23:18.10 | jacekowski | found it |
| 23:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: and how's that an answer to my question? |
| 23:18.35 | timeless_mbp | if someone asks "what is IBM" |
| 23:18.43 | timeless_mbp | the answer is "International Business Machines" |
| 23:18.56 | timeless_mbp | AT&T is "American Telephone & Telegraph" |
| 23:19.03 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't change |
| 23:19.07 | timeless_mbp | it's also a stupid question |
| 23:19.10 | timeless_mbp | so don't ask it |
| 23:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | *MY* question being >>where to look to learn about calibration partition?<< NOT the thread subject >>What is CAL?<< of http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20465 is a bit out of date |
| 23:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | if you didn't notice, you pointed me to same thread |
| 23:20.25 | timeless_mbp | i did notice |
| 23:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | well, many thanks then |
| 23:23.24 | jacekowski | ~seen slonopotamus |
| 23:23.36 | infobot | slonopotamus <~slonopota@85.26.155.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3d 16h 50m 39s ago, saying: 'anyone has example usage of HildonFileSelection?'. |
| 23:25.31 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i just looked at that code and it looks complete |
| 23:25.48 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: as in usable |
| 23:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | code to access NAND in uBoot? |
| 23:26.14 | jacekowski | nah, open code for cal |
| 23:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 23:26.31 | DocScrutinizer | cool |
| 23:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | linky? |
| 23:27.12 | jacekowski | i linked it 9 minutes ago |
| 23:27.19 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
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