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| 00:10.36 | comawhite | anyone having trouble with msn haze in conversations? I can't seem to sign in |
| 00:10.46 | comawhite | but aim and fb does |
| 00:12.47 | comawhite | finally got gps |
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| 00:34.05 | comawhite | i love my n900 :D |
| 00:34.33 | comawhite | too bad it's going to be weird to use an irc client on it |
| 00:35.28 | valeriusN | comawhite: xchat works just fine on it for me ;-) |
| 00:36.26 | comawhite | well xchat isn't native either |
| 00:36.35 | comawhite | im writing my own irc client so yeah |
| 00:36.45 | valeriusN | just tried hostmode-enabler gui yesterday. flash disk and mouse work just fine ;) |
| 00:36.51 | comawhite | it will have a native interface |
| 00:37.02 | valeriusN | comawhite cool |
| 00:37.29 | comawhite | how long does it take to charge an almost dead battery? |
| 00:38.02 | valeriusN | comawhite: I like MIRGGI on symbian -- very comfortable to use (but one minus -- it cannot reconnect when connection is lost) |
| 00:38.16 | comawhite | ah |
| 00:38.22 | comawhite | screenie? |
| 00:38.46 | comawhite | i plan to support both landscape and portrait mode |
| 00:39.16 | valeriusN | comawhite: yes, very comfortable on a small screen |
| 00:39.31 | weeeedar | there is a solution for irc inside conversations in i think extras devel |
| 00:39.53 | comawhite | user list/server list and channel list all have their own view and it will scroll and have sexy look to it |
| 00:40.26 | comawhite | weeeedar, well mine will be a full blown out irc client with scripting/possible plugins, adium themes, etc |
| 00:40.50 | weeeedar | http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-idle/ |
| 00:40.56 | comawhite | yeah i know |
| 00:41.02 | weeeedar | scripting api sounds nice |
| 00:41.08 | weeeedar | what will it be like? |
| 00:41.24 | valeriusN | bought my n900 two weeks ago, first thing I did I bought a bigger battery from Mugen Power -- yesterday I had 12 hours of GPRS, now disconnected and it's still alive in stabdby mode |
| 00:41.26 | comawhite | well it has a desktop one, it's being ported to the n900 |
| 00:41.40 | comawhite | but the desktop is kde, n900 will be Qt only |
| 00:42.00 | comawhite | valeriusN, i have two batteries |
| 00:42.16 | comawhite | i just need to get up and plug it in |
| 00:43.35 | comawhite | weeeedar, well all views will have their own, scrollable, theme able chat area, multiple servers, multiple identies, scripting, plugins (maybe depending if demand for it), music controller, systems script, full customisable |
| 00:43.57 | comawhite | will support landscape and portrait mode |
| 00:44.09 | weeeedar | before i got my n900, i always thought i NEED a full irc client |
| 00:44.15 | valeriusN | comawhite have only two times charged/discharged the battery, now I used it for 1 day with active use (12 hours of GPRS and wifi with web browsing and continuous hanging on irc) |
| 00:44.28 | weeeedar | try jabber on your n900, even MUC is supported |
| 00:44.35 | weeeedar | multi-user chat |
| 00:44.45 | weeeedar | an irc-plugin in that way would be great |
| 00:45.03 | valeriusN | comawhite: for two batteries it need to be switched off to exchange them :( |
| 00:45.54 | valeriusN | comawhite: music controller? cool, I want to use a nowplay :-) |
| 00:46.09 | weeeedar | that would be awesome :D |
| 00:46.38 | weeeedar | shouldn't nowplay already be possible using xchat? |
| 00:47.37 | comawhite | valdyn, yeah if you want it will display whatever you are listening on your phone to the channel |
| 00:47.41 | valeriusN | weeeedar yes, you can to enable an irc transport in jabber, and you'll be able to use irc together with SMS, very cool feature ;) |
| 00:48.17 | weeeedar | oh |
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| 00:48.55 | comawhite | is installing firefox |
| 00:48.56 | comawhite | :> |
| 00:49.03 | comawhite | i hope it doesn't suck |
| 00:49.06 | weeeedar | how does that work? would it be possible to talk to irc-channels if transported through jabber? |
| 00:52.09 | timeless_mbp | so, conversations in 1.3 does support skype group chat iirc |
| 00:52.18 | timeless_mbp | but i'm not quite sure how they did it |
| 00:52.24 | timeless_mbp | doesn't use it |
| 00:52.48 | timeless_mbp | (or i could be imagining things) |
| 00:53.25 | weeeedar | i currently have to use skype, irc, jabber, and icq to stay connected to my people -_- |
| 00:53.41 | weeeedar | why an' just everyone use ONE protocol.. |
| 00:53.47 | weeeedar | *can't |
| 00:53.53 | timeless_mbp | email? :) |
| 00:53.58 | valeriusN | weeeedar: I don't know yet -- I am new to jabber (I used irc for the long time), but enabled an ICQ transport. Now I use ICQ through jabber server -- nothing is needed from jabber client, all is made on server side. I didn't yet tried an IRC transport for jabber but think it is enabled likewise |
| 00:54.14 | jacekowski | anybody tried that serial streaming in columbus? |
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| 00:55.46 | weeeedar | Features |
| 00:55.46 | weeeedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.46 | weeeedar | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:55.50 | weeeedar | oh great |
| 00:56.05 | weeeedar | finally irc group chat in conversations through jabber :D |
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| 01:08.48 | ds3 | 9 |
| 01:14.08 | b-man` | 8 |
| 01:14.43 | Noma | 7 |
| 01:17.46 | weeeedar | 6 |
| 01:17.57 | timeless_mbp | 2 |
| 01:18.04 | b-man` | damn you! xD |
| 01:18.10 | weeeedar | ^^ |
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| 01:26.44 | comawhite | i can do pc suite with my phone in windows 7 |
| 01:26.51 | comawhite | it just won't connect |
| 01:27.05 | comawhite | then i get insufficent power to charge |
| 01:27.55 | comawhite | blah lemme reboot |
| 01:28.14 | valeriusN | comawhite: if you want to charge -- try connecting a charger not a PC cable -- it has more power |
| 01:28.51 | valeriusN | comawhite: I used PC suite with n900 in win7 x64 -- it works |
| 01:30.46 | weeeedar | works here, too (win7 x86) |
| 01:31.38 | weeeedar | anyone ever tried to transfer mp3s through that ovi suite? |
| 01:32.15 | weeeedar | had to do it 5 times, some files were always skipped with a random error |
| 01:34.23 | valeriusN | weeeedar it is more convenient to install openssh on the phone and copy through scp ;) and faster, I think |
| 01:35.23 | weeeedar | due to n900s huge capacity transfering mp3s was a one-time-action :D |
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| 01:35.38 | weeeedar | my library is only 27gb ;) |
| 01:37.28 | SpeedEvil | I rsynced my n900 prior to flashing |
| 01:37.38 | valeriusN | wweeeedar: then it is better to copy them through USB MSD :) |
| 01:37.43 | SpeedEvil | I was worried that rsync said some files couldn't be read - so I retried |
| 01:37.50 | SpeedEvil | It was going into sys and proc |
| 01:42.16 | weeeedar | i usually use usb msd, but being completely new to that ovi suite, i thought hey lets give it a try |
| 01:42.27 | weeeedar | and i got disappointed as expected ;) |
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| 01:43.15 | SpeedEvil | On a related matter. |
| 01:43.19 | SpeedEvil | I have 'backup' |
| 01:43.29 | Macer | uhm |
| 01:43.44 | SpeedEvil | If I backup and then restore onto another n900, is the restore the union of all conversations |
| 01:43.51 | SpeedEvil | or does the restore wipe the old |
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| 01:50.09 | comawhite | bloody hell nokia pc suite won't connect :( |
| 01:50.28 | FauxFaux | tries the hostmode stuff through a terrible usb hub instead of a female->female adaptor and just gets stack-traces in dmesg. |
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| 01:51.42 | weeeedar | any errors on the driver in device manager coma? |
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| 01:53.41 | comawhite | weeeedar, bunch of yellow icons |
| 01:54.13 | comawhite | usb obex, usb generic and usb modem |
| 01:56.12 | weeeedar | yellow exclamation mark icons? |
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| 01:56.54 | comawhite | yes |
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| 01:57.10 | weeeedar | whats the error code? |
| 01:57.14 | comawhite | idk |
| 01:57.21 | comawhite | i haven't used windows in a long time |
| 01:57.22 | comawhite | xD |
| 01:57.34 | weeeedar | it should display the code upon click on the device |
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| 01:59.17 | Lantizia | Lo any ideas if I can get the N900 to dial a prefix before any number? (without editing all my phone book) |
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| 02:00.49 | comawhite | well now it's doing it |
| 02:00.56 | comawhite | blah iono wtf is going on |
| 02:01.20 | weeeedar | perhaps you could export your phonebook to a format readable by common texteditors and use replace for +23 to x+23 |
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| 02:07.27 | comawhite | hmm taking forever to download these drivers |
| 02:08.23 | Lantizia | weeeedar, (without editing all my phone book) |
| 02:11.45 | weeeedar | yeah, thought you excluded that option because of the manual work behind it. |
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| 02:44.15 | javispedro | yet another crazy rumour: microsoft to launch windows nt for arm in CES |
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| 02:50.57 | comawhite | is it possible to set custom ringtones for contacts? |
| 03:03.50 | ds3 | ls |
| 03:03.51 | ds3 | bah |
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| 03:27.53 | comawhite | i need to figure this fm transmitter out |
| 03:28.48 | comawhite | fm-boost didn't seem to have any effect |
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| 03:29.50 | johnx | comawhite, try pointing the N900 in a different direction :) |
| 03:30.25 | comawhite | i got a better signal in the cigarette tray lol |
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| 03:30.34 | comawhite | but still has some static in it |
| 03:32.07 | johnx | try sitting in the passenger seat instead of the driver seat :) |
| 03:32.34 | comawhite | any other tips because I ran fm-boost but it just closes right after |
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| 03:40.16 | johnx | nothing really. it works for me really well in some cars, i need to hold it at funny angles in others. and in some cars it doesn't work well at all |
| 03:41.48 | luke-jr | comawhite: $85? why? |
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| 03:42.34 | luke-jr | they finally replied to my email, confirming that they were ridiculously high prices if you wanted anything other than 1 line |
| 03:42.40 | luke-jr | who pays $120/mo for 2 lines? |
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| 03:49.20 | comawhite | luke-jr, $60 month, $25 for sim card |
| 03:50.29 | comawhite | johnx, got it working over the rearview mirror |
| 03:50.38 | comawhite | but i have no windshield mount :( |
| 03:50.57 | comawhite | works perfectly with my mp3 player |
| 03:51.04 | comawhite | s fm radio |
| 03:51.22 | comawhite | i'll just find a cass with the wire to use |
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| 03:52.17 | comawhite | i thought i had to have headsets in? it complains if i do |
| 03:53.19 | luke-jr | comawhite: erm, the site says $13 for 2 SIM |
| 03:53.30 | comawhite | well i didn't buy it there |
| 03:53.32 | comawhite | oh well |
| 03:53.34 | luke-jr | fail |
| 03:53.41 | comawhite | it's okay |
| 03:53.42 | luke-jr | NewEgg has 1 SIM for $10 :p |
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| 03:58.21 | comawhite | blah apparently the fm-boost script failed because it only shows 112 not 118 |
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| 04:15.08 | comawhite | yeah that fm-boost ain't having no effect |
| 04:15.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter#Typical_Range |
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| 04:21.39 | comawhite | yeah' |
| 04:21.46 | comawhite | i guess im sol |
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| 04:23.59 | johnx | comawhite, where is the antenna on your car? |
| 04:24.21 | comawhite | rear left side |
| 04:24.36 | johnx | on the roof? trunk? |
| 04:24.48 | comawhite | side of trunk |
| 04:25.32 | johnx | ah. yeah, if your n900 is below the dashboard it'd have to transmit through the body of the car :| |
| 04:26.01 | johnx | do you have a pocket in the center console behind the emergency break |
| 04:26.24 | comawhite | yeah it works great with very little static if it sits on the rearview mirror |
| 04:31.33 | johnx | ah, yeah, I meant try standing it up in the center console pocket, like usb port pointing straight up (or down) |
| 04:32.19 | SpeedEvil | wonders if there is a market for an external FM booster. |
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| 04:32.26 | SpeedEvil | (a clip-on antenna) |
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| 04:32.55 | comawhite | didn't you have to use headphones for the transmitter |
| 04:33.08 | johnx | how about stereo bluetooth receiver that re-transmits as FM |
| 04:33.37 | johnx | headphones for the receiver, no headphones for the transmitter |
| 04:33.49 | comawhite | i don't have bluetooth in the stereo, it's stocked :( |
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| 04:36.51 | johnx | right, so something that receives bt from the N900 and transmits FM :) |
| 04:37.14 | johnx | I have the stock tape+FM stereo in my 96 subaru, with a broken tape deck :) |
| 04:38.06 | comawhite | blah tmobile internet won't work :( |
| 04:38.07 | comawhite | blah |
| 04:38.17 | ds3 | how about hack the subaru to add an aux in? |
| 04:38.40 | johnx | ds3, I'm one of the only people in the world with a perfectly working FM transmitting setup :) |
| 04:38.42 | wmarone | hacking stock stereos is so hard :( |
| 04:38.52 | ds3 | oh bah :P |
| 04:38.58 | ds3 | the fm xmitter is too weak |
| 04:39.05 | wmarone | stupid custom harnesses with no documentation |
| 04:39.11 | johnx | hey, I waited *years* to have anything but radio in my car :) |
| 04:39.39 | ds3 | the subaru harnesses are documented |
| 04:39.48 | wmarone | lucky |
| 04:39.59 | johnx | yup, but I don't need it. I'm totally happy with my FM transmitter |
| 04:40.26 | ds3 | would you be interested in upgrading to a Subaru branded unit with a CD ? :D |
| 04:40.59 | johnx | but my antenna is on the roof on the driver side, sticking out at an angle, so it's pretty much ideal condition |
| 04:41.13 | ds3 | this is the legacy right? |
| 04:41.42 | johnx | impreza wagon (technically: USDM 96 subaru impreza outback sport 5spd) |
| 04:42.05 | ds3 | think the antenna arrangement is the same on the legacy... wonder why the FM xmitter is no good for me |
| 04:42.20 | johnx | thicker body panels? |
| 04:42.38 | johnx | I set my N900 on the passenger seat with the USB port pointed forwards |
| 04:42.52 | ds3 | must be, cuz I can get it do something if I hold it on the window or put in the ashtray |
| 04:43.21 | johnx | any other position isn't great in my car, and if I lean across the path between the antenna and the N900 I get static |
| 04:44.03 | ds3 | I wonder how well would a T on the antenna feed line work |
| 04:45.20 | johnx | you need something like a TV roof antenna :D |
| 04:46.22 | ds3 | I mean add a T to the antenna feed line going into the radio |
| 04:46.28 | ds3 | so it can pick up stuff inside the car |
| 04:48.24 | johnx | I know some cars actually have the antenna built into the windshield |
| 04:48.28 | johnx | I bet that'd work great |
| 04:49.18 | ds3 | get one and try it? :D |
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| 07:32.57 | crashanddie_ | hang on, I shouldn't be here |
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| 07:44.30 | Pradeep | good morning |
| 07:44.41 | Pradeep | hello everybody |
| 07:44.43 | pupnik | hi |
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| 07:55.24 | alterego | Guten Moaning |
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| 08:03.35 | Pradeep | alterego, how are you today |
| 08:03.57 | alterego | Not bad, :) |
| 08:04.03 | alterego | Planning out the day. |
| 08:04.21 | Pradeep | guess u must preparing for work soon |
| 08:04.42 | Pradeep | do you hv a screen protector |
| 08:04.52 | Pradeep | for your fone? |
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| 08:07.01 | frals | dont see a need for screen protector, been using this n900 for 6months and still not a scratch :< |
| 08:07.16 | alterego | No, but I d,o have some scratches :) |
| 08:07.21 | frals | chipped the bevel thou :< |
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| 08:12.00 | alterego | Yeah, done that too. |
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| 08:13.29 | Pradeep | frals, what is the secret |
| 08:13.47 | Pradeep | or do you use a phone wallet |
| 08:14.54 | frals | uh, i generally try to avoid having it in the same pocket as my keys |
| 08:14.59 | frals | thats about it |
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| 08:15.35 | Pradeep | cos mine has small scratches here n there |
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| 08:17.55 | frals | i remember seeing some of those on my other device during the summer but its not bright enough for them to be visible now ;D |
| 08:18.19 | frals | and they were only visible if you held it in some weird angle towards a bright light so, yeah |
| 08:18.43 | Pradeep | k |
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| 08:19.09 | Pradeep | i would look for a fine wallet when i go to the city |
| 08:20.18 | pupnik | given the cost of such devices, a case/wallet isn't a bad idea |
| 08:21.05 | Pradeep | pupnik, you know it is not at all |
| 08:21.31 | Pradeep | spent much getting mine |
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| 08:21.43 | Pradeep | almost 500$ |
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| 08:22.39 | pupnik | wipe or clean your hands / thumbs before typing also Pradeep .. |
| 08:22.56 | pupnik | small amounts of dirt in the fingertips will abrade the key coating |
| 08:23.26 | frals | yeah, the key coating is.. less than excellent -_- |
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| 08:25.52 | Pradeep | my battery is some issue i dont knw |
| 08:26.09 | Pradeep | it drains out easily too |
| 08:26.39 | RST38h | That issue is called "smartphone" |
| 08:26.51 | alterego | My keypad is fine. I must have exceptionally clean fingers. :) |
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| 08:29.10 | pupnik | sucking your thumbs does keep them clean |
| 08:30.07 | Pradeep | pupnik, lol so do u advice that nw |
| 08:30.58 | Pradeep | i would just get a clean wallet rubber i guess |
| 08:31.26 | alterego | Heh |
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| 08:37.00 | pupnik | happy wednesday |
| 08:37.27 | alterego | Happy Wednesday to you too :) |
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| 08:39.32 | xkr47 | you too! |
| 08:40.39 | Pradeep | u too |
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| 08:41.39 | alterego | Well, another app released into the wild. |
| 08:42.08 | alterego | Think I'll start working on a Qml based personal finance app. |
| 08:42.28 | pupnik | what did you just release alterego |
| 08:43.24 | alterego | Columbus |
| 08:43.42 | alterego | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901871 |
| 08:48.15 | pupnik | cool |
| 08:48.33 | rcg | anyone experienced with python bindings, especially libhildondesktop? |
| 08:48.36 | pupnik | beautiful alterego |
| 08:48.53 | rcg | trying to create a status area plugin which shall replace the clock using python |
| 08:48.57 | rcg | http://pastebin.com/NSAAxuA1 |
| 08:49.06 | crashanddie | sup |
| 08:49.11 | rcg | though, i get a strange error |
| 08:49.33 | Termana | yello crashanddie |
| 08:49.38 | rcg | the call -> self.set_status_area_widget(self.drawingArea) works fine |
| 08:50.12 | rcg | but -> self.heartbeat_signal_add(0, 1, updateCallback, self.drawingArea, None) yields in an AttributeError: 'TestPlugin' object has no attribute 'heartbeat_signal_add' |
| 08:50.34 | crashanddie | what's the Qt Creator package I need so that it includes the maemo cross compilation stuff? |
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| 08:50.51 | alterego | crashanddie: Nokia Qt SDK |
| 08:51.10 | rcg | looking at python-hildondesktop-0.1.0/libhildondesktop/hildondesktop.defs there should be "heartbeat_signal_add" for objects of type StatusPluginItem |
| 08:51.20 | alterego | crashanddie: otherwise, the latest qt creator and install madde separately then configure qt creator. |
| 08:51.23 | Termana | alterego, finally got it out. But I suppose you decided against using it to make money |
| 08:51.33 | alterego | Termana: yeah |
| 08:51.39 | crashanddie | alterego, nha, I'll get the Qt SDK |
| 08:52.01 | rcg | or even /usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/hildondesktop.defs |
| 08:52.36 | alterego | Termana: I was dragging my feet with it and didn't get all the features I wanted in, in time. So I though fsck it, I'll do a prelim "tech preview" like release yesterday |
| 08:53.06 | Termana | alterego, still keeping the source closed? |
| 08:53.18 | alterego | No, it's completely free |
| 08:53.34 | alterego | I'll be sticking it in git eventually. |
| 08:53.44 | Pradeep | ok |
| 08:53.47 | Termana | Under what license? |
| 08:53.51 | alterego | But you can get the source archive from extras :) |
| 08:54.02 | alterego | gpl |
| 08:54.12 | Pradeep | alterego, are u programmer |
| 08:54.18 | alterego | Pradeep: indeed |
| 08:54.21 | crashanddie | Pradeep, please use "you" |
| 08:54.36 | alterego | Heh |
| 08:55.14 | crashanddie | I can't believe I'm saying this |
| 08:55.21 | crashanddie | but 1.1MB/s seems slow. |
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| 08:55.33 | alterego | crashanddie: O_O |
| 08:55.51 | crashanddie | alterego, well, I'm downloading 500MB, and it's like taking a whole 6 minutes! |
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| 08:55.55 | alterego | KI live with 239KB/s |
| 08:56.05 | Termana | 1.1mb/s is the new dial-up |
| 08:56.09 | Termana | :( and I'm on it |
| 08:56.09 | Termana | :p |
| 08:56.11 | alterego | Yeah no sympathy from here :P |
| 08:56.37 | alterego | My internet is about 2Mb connection through 3G on my N900 |
| 08:56.37 | crashanddie | alterego, well, my N900 download at 3MB yesterday in a burst! |
| 08:57.18 | crashanddie | [23:29:18] <crashanddie_> Fetched 10,0MB in 3s (2.9MB/s) --> is that even possible for the N900? |
| 08:57.49 | alterego | debates going to sleep or getting out of bed. |
| 08:58.00 | crashanddie | go to sleep |
| 08:58.04 | alterego | Don't know. not via 3G I don't think |
| 08:58.21 | alterego | It's almost 9 in the morning .. |
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| 08:58.32 | crashanddie | oh, then get out of the bed you lazy sod and make coffee |
| 08:58.33 | Choom | even via 3G, assuming that compression is involved |
| 08:58.49 | Choom | just like you could download at 8k/sec with a 56k modem |
| 08:59.08 | crashanddie | I remember downloading at 16k/s |
| 08:59.11 | crashanddie | on a 56k modem |
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| 08:59.15 | crashanddie | everything was corrupted |
| 08:59.39 | Choom | I meant without corruption :P |
| 08:59.44 | Choom | just ppp compression |
| 09:00.29 | Choom | it was quite common to download iso9660 at those speeds |
| 09:00.33 | alterego | Got quite a bitHahah |
| 09:00.50 | alterego | weird |
| 09:01.02 | alterego | I've got quite a bit to do todayl |
| 09:01.45 | ieatlint | so people i spoke about getting those magstripe readers... i've got an additional 10 of them... i'll disperse them next week, when i have some time off work and won't have to wait in a xmas line at the post office |
| 09:01.51 | ieatlint | alterego: this includes you :) |
| 09:01.58 | crashanddie | alterego, seems what I downloaded only has Qt Creator |
| 09:02.22 | crashanddie | alterego, components: qt creator and qt development libraries |
| 09:02.29 | crashanddie | is madde included in the dev libs? |
| 09:02.37 | alterego | Cool, a couple of people have requested maritime maps in Columbus. Might look into that :) |
| 09:03.01 | alterego | Erm, the "Nokia Qt SDK" should have madde built in. |
| 09:03.10 | alterego | What did you download? |
| 09:03.19 | alterego | ieatlint: cool, no rush :) |
| 09:03.26 | crashanddie | qt-sdk-linux-x86_64-opensource-2010.05.1.bin |
| 09:03.55 | alterego | Should have it then |
| 09:04.17 | alterego | yeah, probably is in dev libs |
| 09:05.06 | cos^ | does anyone know if the developer device devices have any kind of warranty? |
| 09:05.21 | alterego | cos^: 4 weeks afair |
| 09:05.33 | cos^ | mine is having charging problems (= usb connector going to break?) |
| 09:05.42 | alterego | Probably |
| 09:05.57 | alterego | Sounds like a possibility. |
| 09:06.04 | cos^ | sounds like i'll have to solder it myself |
| 09:06.56 | alterego | Yeah :/ |
| 09:08.19 | alterego | contemplates breakfast |
| 09:08.30 | alterego | Right, gonna have a shower bbiab |
| 09:09.11 | crashanddie | alterego, nope, didn't include madde :( |
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| 09:12.50 | Termana | I tried to download Rapier the (Christian) bible reader for Maemo. |
| 09:12.54 | Termana | But it didn't work - I think it was a corrupted archive |
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| 10:04.32 | alterego | Where would you say the proper place to put in shared libs that are intended to be plugins for an app? |
| 10:04.45 | alterego | I'm thinking /opt/usr/lib/appname/plugins/* |
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| 10:16.27 | lardman | or under share |
| 10:16.30 | lardman | perhaps? |
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| 10:21.48 | _trine | is anyone around who around who could give me a bit of help, I have just removed the power kernel from my N900 and now it wont boot anymore |
| 10:22.30 | _trine | it tries to boot but only ever gets the the nokia page then it starts over |
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| 10:22.57 | lardman | sounds like something went wrong |
| 10:23.02 | lardman | which instructions did you follow to remove it? |
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| 10:23.40 | _trine | none I just used the uninstal program in the phone |
| 10:24.44 | lardman | oh, as I think you also need to remove the kernel modules and then re-install the old kernel + kernel modules |
| 10:25.00 | lardman | it may be that the uninstall scripts do this, but I don;t know |
| 10:25.15 | _trine | how can I get it to boot again |
| 10:25.26 | lardman | I guess you'll need to send over the old kernel via the flasher and see if that boots |
| 10:25.28 | _trine | is there a way |
| 10:25.38 | lardman | or rather send over the kernel you just removed |
| 10:25.48 | _trine | could you give me some links please |
| 10:26.02 | lardman | well you'll have to extract the kernel from the package |
| 10:26.06 | lardman | and flasher |
| 10:26.08 | lardman | ~flasher |
| 10:26.09 | infobot | [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 10:26.24 | _trine | can I do this in linux |
| 10:26.34 | _trine | or do I need windows |
| 10:26.36 | lardman | yes |
| 10:26.44 | lardman | no windows needed |
| 10:27.27 | _trine | I have just opened the link you gave me |
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| 10:29.00 | lardman | so I guess you should try -l for load and also give it the path of the kernel with -k |
| 10:29.03 | _trine | my linux is 64 bit |
| 10:29.38 | lardman | so is mine |
| 10:29.54 | lardman | libusb problem? |
| 10:31.59 | lcuk | alterego, depends on if plugins are specific to appname |
| 10:32.04 | _trine | the instructions say 64 bit is not supported but I guess the 32 bit flasher will still work ,, am i correct |
| 10:32.25 | lardman | yes |
| 10:32.38 | lardman | assuming you have the 32bit libs scattered around |
| 10:32.40 | lcuk | morning lardman \o |
| 10:32.46 | lardman | morning lcuk |
| 10:33.03 | alterego | lcuk: well, yeah they are. |
| 10:33.17 | alterego | (at least they're intended to be) |
| 10:33.32 | lardman | alterego: not sure if it's correct, but the mBarcode plugins are in /usr/share/mbarcode/plugins |
| 10:34.14 | alterego | lardman: well, the location is kind of arbitrary. But that's not optified, which is bad. |
| 10:34.35 | alterego | But yeah, it's a toss up between /usr/lib or /usr/share |
| 10:34.58 | lardman | well plugins are small |
| 10:35.10 | alterego | Sure |
| 10:35.21 | alterego | But still :P |
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| 10:35.38 | lardman | you have to draw a line somewhere |
| 10:35.59 | alterego | If you're going to optify an app, do it properly .. |
| 10:36.01 | lardman | otherwise we'll just have /bin, /sbin, /etc and /lib on root |
| 10:36.32 | alterego | It's bad enough we have to install things onto the rootfs even with optification :) |
| 10:36.35 | lcuk | lardman, is /usr/share/mbarcode symlinked to /opt ? |
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| 10:37.15 | lardman | I doubt it |
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| 10:39.11 | scapor | Hi. Is it a known problem the microb geolocation extension doesn't work anymore? When I visit a site that asks for geolocation, I choose "accept" but after that the GPS isn't started and the site says something like "location not available". When I have another app lock the GPS on beforehand, the same thing happens. |
| 10:39.18 | scapor | Anyone knows? |
| 10:39.43 | lcuk | lardman, if you are storing it on rootfs |
| 10:39.59 | lcuk | you will be marked down at the extras-testing gates |
| 10:40.10 | lardman | argh! |
| 10:40.14 | _trine | lardman, the flasher will not install on my computer dpkg: error processing maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb (--install): |
| 10:40.14 | _trine | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.14 | _trine | Errors were encountered while processing: |
| 10:40.14 | _trine | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:40.20 | lcuk | in preinst, I setup the folders and symlink |
| 10:40.25 | lcuk | from similar to you |
| 10:40.43 | lcuk | so that even tho code thinks its talking to /usr/share/liqbase/* |
| 10:40.49 | lcuk | its actually all optified |
| 10:41.01 | lardman | sure, I'll have to do some more buggering around with the packaging then, great! |
| 10:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | morning lcuk, lardman |
| 10:41.09 | lardman | thanks for telling me mind you lcuk :) |
| 10:41.11 | lcuk | larryeah, sorry! |
| 10:41.12 | lardman | hi DocScrutinizer |
| 10:41.33 | lardman | _trine: I think there was a static binary somewhere, or you just tell dpkg to ignore the arch |
| 10:41.41 | lcuk | lardman, I had the complication that it all has to be done from the library package! |
| 10:41.50 | lcuk | all the liq* apps dont know anything about optification |
| 10:42.08 | lcuk | they just add to /usr/share/liqbase as before |
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| 10:42.34 | scapor | Does geolocation work for you guys in microb? It works in Opera here but not in microb ... |
| 10:42.34 | lardman | yep, better to only change in one location |
| 10:42.45 | lardman | scapor: give us a site to test |
| 10:43.05 | lardman | lcuk: hopefully the next device won't have the rather parsimonious root flash size |
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| 10:43.51 | alterego | So you both prefer $PREFIX/share/appname/plugins over $PREFIX/lib/appname/plugins? |
| 10:43.57 | scapor | lardman: http://www.google.com/maps/m |
| 10:44.36 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: you're an LSB fanatic, where do you think plugin shared objects should go? :) |
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| 10:45.03 | lardman | scapor: not found |
| 10:45.41 | _trine | lardman, I am going to do it on my windows 7 laptop I have just installed the flasher |
| 10:45.41 | scapor | lardman: you mean ...? You couldn't access teh site on your n900 or the location was not available? |
| 10:45.46 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: $PREFIX/{lib,share}/$APPNAME/plugins |
| 10:45.47 | lardman | seems it doesn't like my browser ident |
| 10:45.51 | alterego | ? |
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| 10:46.23 | _trine | lardman, could I just flash a new complete image,, there is noting I need to save on the phone |
| 10:46.24 | lcuk | lardman, yeah well that was partly why I chose the method I did |
| 10:46.25 | scapor | lardman: on microb, it should ask you to share your location |
| 10:46.41 | lardman | no, that url with the extra m doesn't work |
| 10:46.42 | lcuk | I did not want to keep switching to different variations |
| 10:46.51 | lardman | without the m it asks me, and it starts the gps |
| 10:46.53 | scapor | anyone else knows about troubles with geolocation in microb ? |
| 10:47.14 | scapor | lardman: on n900 pr 1.3 with microb? |
| 10:47.29 | lardman | yes |
| 10:47.45 | lardman | worksforme but not on your first url, I get re-directed away from that |
| 10:48.06 | lardman | _trine: yes definitely |
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| 10:48.16 | lardman | _trine: sorry I thought you were needing to recover it |
| 10:48.43 | _trine | lardman, no I just need to get back to a working phone |
| 10:48.57 | lardman | sure, flash the pr1.3 image |
| 10:55.52 | _trine | ok I have set the phone to flashing mode as per the instructions |
| 10:56.02 | alterego | Now to package .. |
| 10:56.08 | _trine | now I need to find the right image |
| 10:56.33 | lardman | _trine: if you're still under Windows you should be able to automatically download it with the UI flasher tool |
| 10:56.51 | lardman | anyone know whether QDir::entryList() returns filenames with paths or without? |
| 10:56.52 | _trine | ah how do you do that |
| 10:57.00 | lardman | http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?n900=# |
| 10:57.48 | lardman | otherwise the FIASCO image is available directly, but I don;t know the url off the top of my head |
| 10:57.51 | lardman | ~pr1.3 |
| 10:57.51 | infobot | well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 10:58.02 | lardman | should be a linky in there somewhere |
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| 11:02.00 | lardman | hmm, names are relative to the QDir |
| 11:04.28 | alterego | Hrm, okay, this might take a little more refactoring to fix deps :/ |
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| 11:08.17 | alterego | "Thanked 367 Times in 118 Posts" I guess that's not a bad ratio :D |
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| 11:21.00 | fish_sticks | can you tell me how I can access my Downloads in my File Manager through my X-Terminal? |
| 11:21.04 | fish_sticks | where is it located? |
| 11:22.11 | fish_sticks | anybody? |
| 11:23.17 | jacekowski | MyDocs |
| 11:23.19 | jacekowski | /home/user/ |
| 11:23.26 | jacekowski | /home/user/MyDocs/.downloads iirc |
| 11:23.35 | fish_sticks | okay.thanks |
| 11:23.53 | fish_sticks | =) |
| 11:26.26 | fish_sticks | how do I run a ./configure becoming a super user? |
| 11:26.43 | fish_sticks | sudo gainroot doesnt work |
| 11:27.50 | jacekowski | in first place |
| 11:27.55 | jacekowski | you don't have compiler on a phone |
| 11:28.05 | phellarv | jacekowski: I did. |
| 11:28.06 | jacekowski | and no autotools |
| 11:28.13 | jacekowski | but he doesn't |
| 11:28.17 | phellarv | Hihi |
| 11:28.30 | fish_sticks | so what do I do? |
| 11:28.49 | fish_sticks | need Qt for my N900 |
| 11:29.06 | phellarv | fish_sticks: apt-get it |
| 11:29.21 | fish_sticks | apt-get what? |
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| 11:29.26 | fish_sticks | apt-get qt? |
| 11:30.36 | fish_sticks | apt-get install qt? |
| 11:31.09 | phellarv | What part of QT do you want? |
| 11:31.33 | fish_sticks | need to check out meego on N900 |
| 11:31.46 | fish_sticks | so I'm not too sure what I have to put into it |
| 11:33.00 | phellarv | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 |
| 11:33.29 | fish_sticks | phellarv: not the image |
| 11:33.36 | fish_sticks | just to run my test apps on a remote device |
| 11:33.58 | phellarv | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 |
| 11:34.34 | fish_sticks | its the same link =S |
| 11:35.19 | alterego | Wow, I'm actually suprised that worked .. |
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| 11:35.21 | phellarv | "Installing_MeeGo_on_N900" <--- Wasn't it this you wanted to do? |
| 11:35.38 | fish_sticks | dont want to install meego on n900 |
| 11:35.43 | fish_sticks | just want to try my apps in them |
| 11:35.52 | auenf | err, mfe on modest syncs spam and all mail folders? |
| 11:35.58 | phellarv | Soooo? |
| 11:35.59 | fish_sticks | http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World |
| 11:35.59 | auenf | but can you disable some folders from syncing? |
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| 11:36.04 | fish_sticks | phellarv: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World |
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| 11:37.17 | phellarv | fish_sticks: So you want to test an app on Meego, but do not want to install Meego on the N900? |
| 11:37.57 | fish_sticks | exactly. |
| 11:38.03 | fish_sticks | that's possible right? |
| 11:38.36 | phellarv | Uhm - Not quite. You're presenting a contradiction in terms. |
| 11:38.58 | phellarv | But you probs can run it in a VM on your PC. |
| 11:39.16 | phellarv | I do not how to do that, but it's probably possible |
| 11:39.22 | fish_sticks | but then there will be a problem with the size and stuff right? |
| 11:39.54 | fish_sticks | phellarv: when I run test using Qt-Creator,it finds the arm architecture(N900) |
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| 11:40.05 | phellarv | fish_sticks: As I wrote - probably possible - but I have no knowledge on how. |
| 11:40.05 | fish_sticks | but then it tells me Qt 4.7 is not installed in it |
| 11:40.15 | MohammadAG | update to PR1.3 |
| 11:40.26 | alterego | Hey mohammad :) |
| 11:40.26 | phellarv | MohammadAG to the rescue. |
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| 11:40.30 | fish_sticks | =) |
| 11:40.45 | MohammadAG | hi alterego, phellarv :) |
| 11:40.45 | fish_sticks | how do I know which is the current version? |
| 11:40.53 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l mp-fremantle* is a way |
| 11:40.59 | MohammadAG | Settings > About product is another |
| 11:41.03 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 11:41.05 | fish_sticks | will check |
| 11:41.33 | MohammadAG | 20.2010.36-2 is latest |
| 11:41.50 | fish_sticks | mine is 20.2010.36-2 |
| 11:42.05 | MohammadAG | that should have Qt 4.7 |
| 11:42.05 | fish_sticks | flashed it about a month back or so |
| 11:42.21 | fish_sticks | but my Qt Creator says it doesnt = |
| 11:42.35 | MohammadAG | dpkg -l libqt4-core |
| 11:42.42 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 11:43.22 | fish_sticks | it says 4.7 |
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| 11:43.49 | fish_sticks | so that means its there right? |
| 11:43.56 | MohammadAG | yup |
| 11:44.07 | fish_sticks | but Qt Creator doesnt detect it |
| 11:44.16 | fish_sticks | it detects the architecture and the kernel |
| 11:44.43 | fish_sticks | but tells me it doesnt have Qt 4.6.22 |
| 11:44.45 | fish_sticks | *.4.6.2 |
| 11:45.17 | fish_sticks | **4.6.2 |
| 11:45.49 | fish_sticks | MohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/2026179 |
| 11:48.06 | MohammadAG | fish_sticks, hmm |
| 11:48.12 | MohammadAG | fish_sticks, got mad-developer? |
| 11:48.23 | fish_sticks | what's that? |
| 11:49.53 | MohammadAG | it's a helper for Qt Creator |
| 11:49.59 | fish_sticks | googled it.got it on my laptop but not on my N900 |
| 11:50.01 | MohammadAG | also, is the Qt Creator running the 1.3 sysroot? |
| 11:50.24 | fish_sticks | its qt creator 2.0.1 |
| 11:51.44 | fish_sticks | installing mad-developer on the N900 |
| 11:52.44 | fish_sticks | MohammadAG: still nothing |
| 11:52.46 | fish_sticks | same error |
| 11:53.04 | MohammadAG | what sysroot do you have? |
| 11:53.18 | fish_sticks | how do I check that? |
| 11:53.27 | MohammadAG | which host OS? |
| 11:53.38 | fish_sticks | my laptop's a Fedora 14 |
| 11:53.47 | MohammadAG | oh cool |
| 11:53.51 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 11:53.59 | MohammadAG | did you install Qt Creator as root or as user? |
| 11:54.11 | fish_sticks | um...root i think |
| 11:54.24 | fish_sticks | dont remember honestly |
| 11:54.38 | alterego | MohammadAG: just spent the morning splitting my columbus tree into: librxsupport, libcolumbus, columbus, columbus-plugins |
| 11:54.42 | MohammadAG | try ls ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/ |
| 11:54.53 | fish_sticks | checking |
| 11:54.58 | alterego | It all worked quite smoothly :D |
| 11:54.59 | MohammadAG | alterego, yay, should it make it harder for me to coordinate the source :P |
| 11:55.46 | fish_sticks | MohammadAG: dont have a folder like that |
| 11:55.56 | fish_sticks | my qt creator's in /opt/meego |
| 11:56.11 | MohammadAG | then it's for MeeGo not maemo? |
| 11:56.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: it's been quite a nice learning experience of more advanced .pro usage :) |
| 11:56.20 | fish_sticks | yeah.its for MeeGo |
| 11:56.30 | MohammadAG | you need the Maemo sysroot |
| 11:56.41 | fish_sticks | sysroot meaning? |
| 11:56.44 | fish_sticks | on the N900? |
| 11:56.52 | MohammadAG | http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html |
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| 11:57.53 | fish_sticks | MohammadAG: how is that going to help me? |
| 11:58.10 | MohammadAG | it should include the sysroot |
| 11:58.18 | fish_sticks | but its not for Fedora |
| 11:58.30 | fish_sticks | no wait |
| 11:58.33 | fish_sticks | that's fine |
| 11:58.44 | MohammadAG | it's OS independent afaik |
| 11:58.44 | fish_sticks | so you mean to tell me I have to use this for MeeGo? |
| 11:58.53 | MohammadAG | that's for Maemo |
| 11:59.04 | fish_sticks | the link you sent me is for maemo? |
| 11:59.10 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:59.13 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 11:59.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, layouts? Please? :P |
| 11:59.33 | MohammadAG | alterego, actually, sec |
| 11:59.33 | fish_sticks | I know I shouldnt be asking this here...but...so what do I use for MeeGo? |
| 11:59.44 | alterego | MohammadAG: yes, I've got you penned in this afternoon ;) |
| 11:59.53 | fish_sticks | I should have MeeGo on my N900, MohammadAG |
| 11:59.54 | fish_sticks | ? |
| 12:00.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas if it's possible to remove widgets from the layout, then add them, and all that while the N900 is doing the rotation animation |
| 12:00.39 | alterego | MohammadAG: I don't remove, I hide() :) |
| 12:00.40 | MohammadAG | fish_sticks, Qt 4.7 is on both Maemo and MeeGo, so unless you have some specific code, they should run the same |
| 12:00.50 | MohammadAG | alterego, well, that's what I'm doing right now |
| 12:01.00 | lcuk | MohammadAG, do you have atest build or just a set of side by side screenshots |
| 12:01.00 | MohammadAG | alterego, but that means I'll have to use two widgets ;) |
| 12:01.07 | fish_sticks | but the problem is that when I run the emulator,it fails to detect Qt on my N900 |
| 12:01.08 | alterego | Oh, |
| 12:01.13 | lcuk | for the awesome maemo community media player :) |
| 12:01.13 | fish_sticks | that's the primary problem |
| 12:01.29 | MohammadAG | lcuk, UI is almost exactly the same, but sec |
| 12:01.31 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll have a look in a bit once I've finished this rafactoring. |
| 12:01.42 | MohammadAG | lcuk, do you want the binary nicolai sent me? (It's the same as crashanddie's source atm) |
| 12:01.44 | lcuk | MohammadAG, yeah I know |
| 12:02.00 | lcuk | hmm no I will wait for binaries |
| 12:02.03 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer :) |
| 12:02.22 | MohammadAG | that's a binary |
| 12:02.27 | lcuk | i am immensely pleased you lot have started this btw :) |
| 12:02.32 | MohammadAG | source is on gitorious |
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| 12:03.46 | lcuk | i saw last night MohammadAG |
| 12:03.55 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 12:04.37 | lcuk | would be an interesting post for some blog minded person to do to show teamwork from everyone |
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| 12:06.45 | alterego | Well, that's what we're about isn't it? :D |
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| 12:09.48 | lcuk | yep alterego :) |
| 12:11.52 | MohammadAG | naw crap |
| 12:11.59 | MohammadAG | I just got the WinXP vm set up |
| 12:12.04 | MohammadAG | installed guest additions, and it went blank |
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| 12:44.39 | comawhite | im having trouble with mounting my phone, it's only giving my cities, DCIM, Mac OS and autorun.inf, I can't access anything else |
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| 12:46.42 | Loom | hi |
| 12:48.01 | Loom | i really cannot find the f1 f2 ... f10 keys on n900 keyboard |
| 12:48.26 | comawhite | ah he problem is I have to access my music from /media/Nokia\ N900/.sounds -_- |
| 12:48.32 | comawhite | damn hidden directories |
| 12:49.46 | Loom | use filebox or midnight commander |
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| 12:50.57 | comawhite | on the phone or in linux itself? |
| 12:51.12 | Loom | on the phone |
| 12:51.35 | comawhite | Loom, jave you tried using the up arrow key in the onscreen keyboard? |
| 12:51.50 | comawhite | its on the bottom lower left corner |
| 12:52.01 | comawhite | i have to use it to access > key =[ |
| 12:53.00 | Loom | what if i don't use the onscreen keyboard? |
| 12:53.39 | Loom | there is no way to activate them from the keypad? |
| 12:54.00 | comawhite | afaik no, but then again im still playing with my phone |
| 12:54.39 | comawhite | unless it's tat Sym button + 1 button |
| 12:54.50 | comawhite | wtf I get bad encoding on files |
| 12:55.28 | comawhite | "Liebe ist für alle da" |
| 12:55.31 | comawhite | :S |
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| 12:58.53 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, hmm, no way of expanding a vdi file? |
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| 13:01.20 | alterego | I should really stagger my responses to keep my ANNOUNCE thread in "Active Topics" on tmo .. |
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| 13:01.32 | Venemo | alterego: no, you shouldn't |
| 13:01.43 | Venemo | alterego: because you are competing with my ANNOUNCE thread! :P |
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| 13:03.09 | alterego | Teehee, what's yours? |
| 13:03.49 | Venemo | alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 |
| 13:04.29 | Venemo | alterego: and you haven't even gave me a Thanks! yet... despite I did for yours! :P |
| 13:04.54 | alterego | I didn't know it was yours :P |
| 13:04.57 | alterego | Oh wait, |
| 13:05.03 | alterego | YEah, that's awesome. |
| 13:05.10 | alterego | I must have missed the announce :( |
| 13:05.20 | alterego | There you go, doned it :P |
| 13:05.39 | Venemo | alterego, no, I linked it to you on IRC the moment I made the thread, and you said 'cool'... now you say you missed it :P |
| 13:06.05 | alterego | s/missed/ignored/ |
| 13:06.07 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:06.10 | Venemo | hehehe .D |
| 13:06.12 | Venemo | :D |
| 13:06.12 | alterego | Sorry, I've been quite busy :P |
| 13:06.38 | alterego | Refactor finished http://pastie.org/private/r8oqegmly9qyuxll0erd6w |
| 13:06.40 | Venemo | with your own thread, I see :) |
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| 13:07.23 | alterego | I am now a .pro pro ^.^ |
| 13:07.51 | alterego | One global project that builds 6 seperate projects |
| 13:08.35 | alterego | Now to debianize |
| 13:09.15 | Loom | meh noone knows where the f1 ... f10 are? |
| 13:09.29 | Venemo | Loom: wut? |
| 13:09.30 | alterego | I know where F4 and F5 are .. |
| 13:09.33 | Venemo | Loom: what's the question? |
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| 13:11.32 | Loom | i cannot find the f1 ... f10 keys in my n900 keyboard |
| 13:11.49 | Venemo | Loom: there are no such keys on the N900's keyboard |
| 13:12.00 | Venemo | Loom: at least my N900 doesn't have them!!! :D |
| 13:12.01 | alterego | F4 and F5 are the volume keys btw |
| 13:12.05 | MohammadAG | alterego, volume keys? :P |
| 13:12.11 | alterego | MohammadAG: ;) |
| 13:12.21 | Venemo | alterego, that's a surprise :) |
| 13:12.46 | alterego | Loom: the only way you'll get proper Fn keys is with an external Bluetooth or USB keyboard :) |
| 13:13.12 | Venemo | Loom: you can always edit your X keyboard map to add a combo for the F keys you need. see the "Remapping the keyboard" article on the Maemo wiki |
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| 13:14.30 | Loom | because both htop and midnight commander using the f keys i assumed they existed |
| 13:15.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, troll detected on hostmode thread |
| 13:16.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 13:16.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | so what? |
| 13:16.35 | MohammadAG | His name starts with Matan |
| 13:16.35 | Venemo | MohammadAG: kill 'em |
| 13:16.43 | Venemo | Loom: well I'm sorry |
| 13:16.50 | MohammadAG | again with the USB Host mode kills your USB, but OC does not kill the CPU |
| 13:16.59 | Venemo | MohammadAG: link pls |
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| 13:17.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | IDIOT |
| 13:17.13 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=902020&postcount=578 |
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| 13:18.06 | MohammadAG | would joke about .de vs .co.il, but.., nvm |
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| 13:19.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT |
| 13:20.14 | Venemo | LoooL |
| 13:20.22 | Venemo | this guy is totally nuts |
| 13:20.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, couldn't bother less to feed this troll |
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| 13:21.26 | Venemo | I fed him a little, but just because I can laugh at his response |
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| 13:22.15 | Venemo | btw, with the "no more nokia devices for me) slogan in his signature, he could just go and bugger off TMO |
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| 13:26.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: could you please answer that N900 is like one year old, OC is even much younger, and OC isn't supposed to make CPU *explode* but rather will significantly reduce the lifespan, so It's up to anybodies guess whether a 1.2GHz OC'd device will start to act up after 2000hours of aircrack or Mwhile true; do :; done' or after 1000h or after 100h |
| 13:27.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | and the unconfirmed claim there are no devices known that suffered from OC degradation is missing a single important word : YET |
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| 13:29.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | N900 cpu clock has been chosen to guarantee over 2 years of constant *usage* (means loads above idle) |
| 13:30.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | doubling max CPU clock to 1.2GHz won't half but rather make that figure a hunderedth |
| 13:30.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe even 1/1000 |
| 13:31.24 | iDont | DocScrutinizer51: At higher clock speeds, the used current reported by the bq27x00 module goes up, even when (substantial) lower voltages are set (on-chip SmartReflex hardware if I'm right?). Isn't that enough prove that OC'ing will wear your CPU at a much higher rate? I've tested this with a simple shell script + nbench in offline mode a while ago (when you responded to my PM about OC'ing if you remember :) |
| 13:31.33 | iDont | Haven't overclocked since then |
| 13:31.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | this is a known and almost as well understood fact as max plug rounds of a USB |
| 13:31.54 | iDont | btw I don't know about the realiability of the current_now interface, but even if it's off, it still goes up considerably |
| 13:31.55 | phellarv | DocScrutinizer51: So basically - It qould crash and burn instantaniously? ;-P |
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| 13:32.27 | phellarv | s/qould/would |
| 13:32.27 | flux | docscrutinizer51, the thing is, nobody appears to know how long time the device actually operates as 1.2GHz |
| 13:32.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | iDont: yes |
| 13:32.46 | flux | docscrutinizer51, as nobody runs that kind of loops in real-life-use, or if they do, it's likely a bug |
| 13:33.21 | iDont | I appear to have lost the file with the resultst, but IIRC the used current at 1000mhz was in the high 2000, low 3000 range. At stock speed it was aroundf ~1700 |
| 13:33.27 | flux | (and I personally wouldn't mind having an app that kills apps that do that. they eat the battery.) |
| 13:33.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | flux: that's the whole point |
| 13:34.10 | iDont | Well, not current, but the number current_now outputted :P |
| 13:34.35 | flux | doesn't the kernel actually keep track of how many seconds are spent in which power saving level, or is that only during the running of powertop? |
| 13:36.01 | alterego | flux: if it doesn it'll be under sysfs |
| 13:36.09 | alterego | s/doesn/does/ |
| 13:36.22 | alterego | I don't remember seeing it personally though .. |
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| 13:44.51 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:46.09 | SpeedEvil | flux: |
| 13:46.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: thanks |
| 13:47.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I pondered to create a "N900 OCers CPU wear Odometer' app |
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| 13:48.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | unit 500MHz-seconds |
| 13:49.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | so the meter would go up 1/s @500, and correspondingly maybe 3/s @600, 10/s @800 etc |
| 13:50.35 | iDont | DocScrutinizer51: If you're really gonna make something like that: maybe add an option to monitor avarage current between when the user clicks start/stop? Should be easy to do and is really convincing (it convinced me at least). |
| 13:50.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | could use proper algorithm from wiki EM, and actual values from BQ27200 etc |
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| 13:50.44 | iDont | just a suggestion |
| 13:51.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | iDont: sure, planned as much |
| 13:52.14 | iDont | DocScrutinizer51: Nice :) |
| 13:52.36 | crashanddie | lcuk, frankly, I don't want to start blogging about it just yet |
| 13:52.40 | crashanddie | lcuk, delayed gratification, etc |
| 13:52.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | well dunnoif I ever can be arsed to really do it, just to get flamed for it |
| 13:53.36 | iDont | hehe, it's your spare time, so do as you wish |
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| 14:01.02 | khertan | Hello |
| 14:01.08 | Loom | dude remaping keyboard doesn't look easy |
| 14:01.11 | Loom | hi |
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| 14:01.32 | juk | hi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from root; apt-get update/upgrade ? |
| 14:02.09 | alterego | juk: it'll popup every day |
| 14:02.12 | juk | hi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from xterm, by:root; apt-get update/upgrade ? |
| 14:02.13 | alterego | But yes, you can |
| 14:02.43 | juk | alterego: so same thing? |
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| 14:03.48 | juk | alterego: in ubuntu it is same |
| 14:04.11 | alterego | YEs, normal debian stuff |
| 14:04.27 | juk | alterego: thanks |
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| 14:23.14 | lardman | hmm, I'm having some curious QString problems |
| 14:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | never do "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" ! |
| 14:23.53 | lardman | trying to copy from one to another I get sigill, and trying to use one of them I get a segfault, but somehow the data can be printed via qDebug() |
| 14:24.32 | lardman | I guess that means that something about the QString is broken, memory corruption |
| 14:25.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess that means Qstring is an object and can't be handled like a usual string |
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| 14:26.10 | lardman | ? |
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| 14:26.44 | lardman | yeah it's not just a char array |
| 14:26.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | exactly |
| 14:26.58 | Venemo | lardman: show me the code |
| 14:27.09 | Venemo | QString is an array of UTF-16 characters btw |
| 14:27.22 | Venemo | plus, it contains some convenience features |
| 14:27.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | not even that |
| 14:28.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | it an object consisting of a datatype like you say, and some methods and properties |
| 14:28.18 | lardman | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/PythonQTPluginWrapper3/pythonqtwrappersink.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup |
| 14:28.31 | lardman | fn @ line 136 |
| 14:28.33 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: well it's not an array in reality, but it can be understood as one |
| 14:28.36 | Venemo | lardman: checking |
| 14:28.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | qstring.value maybe is that UTF16 array |
| 14:28.56 | lardman | if I uncomment lines 142 & 143 I get sigill, as it is atm I get a segfault |
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| 14:29.22 | lardman | doh, well I'll get a segfault anyway because those lines are commented |
| 14:29.33 | lardman | so that explains that |
| 14:29.34 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: QString has an operator[] that allows to access it as such |
| 14:29.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 14:29.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's all OO voodoo |
| 14:30.26 | khertan | I ve a question for package expert |
| 14:30.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | overcharging operators etc pp |
| 14:31.02 | khertan | why a postrm script put is executed after the update and not after the remove of the old version and the install of the new one ? |
| 14:31.03 | Venemo | lardman: I see no problems in the code, the segfault is not from QString that's for sure |
| 14:31.21 | khertan | s/-put |
| 14:31.33 | pupnik | to sell phones in the USA you have to give operators some nice way to rip off their customers that Apple and Google haven't invented yet |
| 14:32.03 | pupnik | corrupt collapsing culture |
| 14:32.19 | alterego | bbl |
| 14:32.30 | pupnik | they'll push the crack for you... |
| 14:32.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | or was the term "overloading"? even "overriding"? |
| 14:33.24 | khertan | stupid maemo package web promoter |
| 14:33.26 | khertan | pffff |
| 14:33.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: the term is "operator overloading", and it's a feature of C++ |
| 14:33.44 | lardman | strange, almost as if my class object has been broken - hence the sigill when I try to copy QStrings and the segfault when I try to use the existing values that are part of the class |
| 14:33.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: "override" is the term which you use when you re-implement a virtual method of a class |
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| 14:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: you're aware of that web page of Qt HowTo about QStrings, which I remember I've seen "years ago" |
| 14:41.48 | RST38h | quietly suggests using char * instead |
| 14:42.11 | khertan | or python unicode and avoid QString ... |
| 14:42.15 | khertan | .. :) |
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| 14:45.30 | RST38h | Any class that uses hidden memory allocation is suspicious, if not evil |
| 14:46.38 | derf | It's more fun when you pass objects of that class by value as parameters. |
| 14:46.57 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/qstring.html#details and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/implicit-sharing.html might gelp |
| 14:53.26 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but afaict it's not a feature of the QString to get sigill when copying it |
| 14:53.44 | lardman | so I'm guessing something's trampled on the class object |
| 14:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | not really X-D |
| 14:54.40 | comawhite | where can i get an xvid codec? |
| 14:55.53 | lardman | goes to dig his car out, bbl |
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| 15:02.26 | pupnik | One of the main differences in cultures that have excellent health records versus those that donât is the number of servings of fruits and vegetables eaten in a day. |
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| 15:04.15 | DangerMaus | tosses the apple aside and has some fish |
| 15:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, vegetables and fruits frequently are rather toxic, especially when cultivated in countries with low standards regarding pesticides |
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| 15:06.55 | DocScrutinizer | topmost example: the oh-so-healthy green salad which has just same nutrition value as a paper handkerchief, but significantly more toxic nitrates |
| 15:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to eat a paper handkerchief with his latte macciato |
| 15:09.11 | RST38h | IT MOR CHIKIN |
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| 15:09.22 | RST38h | (moo) |
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| 15:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | you know the sory about those asian immigrants at London who suffered malnutrition despite they ate the same vegies they also knew from their home? It turned out the vgies in UK were *too clean* and so the immigrants missed all the B-vitamins they had with the soil and bugs and worms in those vegies at home |
| 15:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | s/sory/story |
| 15:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 15:14.23 | SpeedEvil | Also - white rice |
| 15:14.32 | pupnik | wow DocScrutinizer |
| 15:15.01 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi |
| 15:15.13 | pupnik | i wish our bodies had meters for exactly what we're missing |
| 15:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | you got a good meter: your appetite |
| 15:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | you just mustn't ruin it |
| 15:15.55 | pupnik | with junk food eh |
| 15:16.32 | SpeedEvil | Your body is really poor at determining what it needs. |
| 15:16.36 | SpeedEvil | In many cases |
| 15:16.45 | SpeedEvil | At least - with a non-natural diet |
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| 15:16.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep, that's the point |
| 15:17.01 | pupnik | i can sometimes sense a craving for fruit - i think |
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| 15:17.17 | pupnik | just concerned about diet since i'm kind of snowed-in with no meat |
| 15:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew |
| 15:17.38 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Fail. |
| 15:17.43 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: Get a freezer. |
| 15:17.56 | pupnik | well i could actually go out and get some |
| 15:18.06 | SpeedEvil | has ~3 months of reasonably nice food. |
| 15:18.11 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: ++ |
| 15:18.23 | SpeedEvil | Another ~3 of meh. |
| 15:18.32 | pupnik | i'm down to the meh |
| 15:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I should definitely check which turkish restaurants are open Fr,Sa,Su |
| 15:18.40 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil, actually, I think the body is very good at determining what we need |
| 15:18.47 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil, we just suck at understanding what our body tells us |
| 15:19.00 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Of macronutrients - perhaps, to a degree, and salt. |
| 15:19.10 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: Much else - no. |
| 15:19.15 | crashanddie | well, lack of salt will give you massive headaches |
| 15:19.38 | SpeedEvil | You don't get any sensible signals of a selenium deficiency. |
| 15:20.01 | crashanddie | I can assure you I do, and a few members of my family have as well |
| 15:20.27 | crashanddie | this summer, pretty hot, been sweating a reasonable amount. Because a family member was taking some medication that prohibited salt, we all kinda cut out on it |
| 15:20.47 | crashanddie | for 3 days, I had a migraine so strong most over-the-counter medication couldn't kick it |
| 15:21.13 | crashanddie | then, I went to Paris, had salted crisps for lunch, and the migraine disappeared in matter of minutes |
| 15:21.47 | SpeedEvil | Umm |
| 15:21.54 | crashanddie | and that's just one anecdote, I've had that happen quite a few times, usually in hot climates where I sweat a lot |
| 15:21.56 | SpeedEvil | I said salt you do get signals for |
| 15:22.14 | SpeedEvil | Not for many important trace elements. |
| 15:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder why sometimes I feel an urge to eat things like slaw or raw tomatoes, which I both hate. When I think about it, it's frequently after a period of bad eating habits |
| 15:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | also can be cured by a multivitamin pill |
| 15:23.08 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 15:23.51 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if it's selen deficit, but for sure it's more complex than salt deficit |
| 15:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | protein deficit also very definitely detected by my appetite |
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| 15:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | quite quiet |
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| 15:59.51 | penguinbait | hey lcuk, saw this and thought of you |
| 15:59.58 | penguinbait | http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3614/500xemailandbacon.jpg |
| 16:00.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:00.41 | pupnik | hahah |
| 16:01.01 | penguinbait | I want a car with bacon too |
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| 16:03.37 | dneary | re |
| 16:03.43 | dneary | X-Fade, Ping? |
| 16:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | "It never rains in California..." ? Hmmm |
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| 16:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: g.m.o/proj/maemo-barcode registered 2008-07-17 12:17 --- DUH! |
| 16:09.53 | MohammadAG | lol Nokia's using the annoying orange xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLHo8IQ7Cw&feature=feedu |
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| 16:11.09 | OEXPL | are the packages in the repo of Nokia n900 and maemo signed? |
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| 16:17.10 | Venemo | MohammadAG: lol at the video |
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| 16:45.57 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: what's up? |
| 16:51.01 | MohammadAG | Venemo, 4 more posts and you'll hit 1k!!! |
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| 16:51.45 | Venemo | yeah MohammadAG :) |
| 16:52.43 | Venemo | MohammadAG: but you have even more, and you have LOTS more Thanks!es |
| 16:52.54 | MohammadAG | Venemo, *checks* |
| 16:53.29 | MohammadAG | nah, 4722 |
| 16:53.38 | MohammadAG | 4472* |
| 16:53.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG: that is almost 3 times the posts you have, hehe |
| 16:54.26 | MohammadAG | lol @ ratio, Thanked 4,472 Times in 741 Posts |
| 16:54.42 | Venemo | MohammadAG: yep my ratio is nowhere near that |
| 16:56.42 | RST38h | Venemo: you should post less. |
| 16:56.59 | Venemo | RST38h: hehe |
| 16:57.46 | lardman | bbl |
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| 17:02.52 | RST38h | In an effort to investigate the impact of the leaked diplomatic cables, the CIA have launched the Wikileaks Task Force, commonly referred to at CIA headquarters as 'WTF'. |
| 17:03.01 | RST38h | WTF indeed. |
| 17:06.33 | MohammadAG | lol RST38h |
| 17:09.01 | MohammadAG | my N900 hit 68C, as measured by a thermometer |
| 17:09.20 | lcuk | MohammadAG, o_O |
| 17:09.24 | lcuk | what were you doing at the time |
| 17:09.32 | lcuk | and which port did you shove the thermometer into? |
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| 17:13.09 | MohammadAG | battery side :P |
| 17:13.17 | MohammadAG | lcuk, nothing, that's what's bothering me |
| 17:13.46 | MohammadAG | load averages are around 0.10 |
| 17:14.16 | MohammadAG | though I am using 3G |
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| 17:14.42 | ShadowJK | 3G can use about 4 times more than the CPU :) |
| 17:14.59 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: I've had that temp - though it was in the sun at the time. |
| 17:16.06 | MohammadAG | and this gray part at the bottom of the screen is stretching longer |
| 17:17.30 | lcuk | MohammadAG, were you charging? |
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| 17:18.06 | MohammadAG | no, connected to USB, battery full for hours |
| 17:19.21 | ShadowJK | That kind of temperature rise shouldn't really be possible without consuming more power than USB can provide :) |
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| 17:22.08 | Venemo | MohammadAG: 68°C without overclocking? |
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| 17:22.27 | Venemo | MohammadAG: how is the temperature there? I mean, outside |
| 17:22.53 | MohammadAG | Venemo, yeah |
| 17:23.14 | MohammadAG | 16 or sth |
| 17:23.37 | Venemo | MohammadAG: well then the N900 shouldn't be 68°C |
| 17:24.06 | ShadowJK | I've never been able to make the CPU use that much ::/ |
| 17:24.42 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: while true; do true; done & |
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| 17:25.08 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, not even RC5 keycracking makes it use much |
| 17:25.15 | ShadowJK | like it still lasts 2 or 3 hours doing that |
| 17:25.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | UMTS |
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| 17:26.29 | user__ | hi, if i press backspace in mplayer it shows speed 1x but how to in/decrease speed? |
| 17:27.30 | Guest15719 | Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters. |
| 17:28.14 | user__ | wow |
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| 17:28.31 | Venemo | user__: no idea, maybe ask mplayer devs |
| 17:28.51 | user__ | Venemo: maemo mplayer devs? |
| 17:29.06 | Venemo | user__: possible |
| 17:29.21 | Aranel_ | (Reposting from my original nickname, sorry for noise) Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters. |
| 17:31.06 | Venemo | Aranel_: I use a simple, cheap Thomson one, so probably not what you're looking for |
| 17:32.13 | user__ | Aranel_: how did u damaged em? |
| 17:32.30 | Aranel_ | Venemo: well, I'm looking for exact quality (or better) but better durability. |
| 17:32.55 | Venemo | Aranel_: Thomson HED86N is what I use. |
| 17:32.58 | Aranel_ | user__: my first one lost sound on one channel, I repaired it with another 3,5mm jack, worked for a week, lost both channels. |
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| 17:33.21 | Venemo | Aranel_: it cost about 1000 HUF (about â¬4) in a Tesco |
| 17:33.23 | Aranel_ | user__: second one lost both channels, repaired it, lasted 1 day. |
| 17:33.39 | crashanddie | I have some shure headphones, and my drum headphones |
| 17:34.13 | user__ | Aranel_: funny mine also lost sound on one ear |
| 17:34.15 | Aranel_ | crashanddie: can you give me a model name? It would be better since I don't know anything about headphones. |
| 17:34.35 | Venemo | infobot: are you a bot? |
| 17:34.36 | Aranel_ | user__: well It's not that funny when it happens twice :p |
| 17:34.45 | crashanddie | Venemo, he is |
| 17:34.49 | Venemo | I kno |
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| 17:35.05 | Venemo | was just curious if he had something to say for this |
| 17:35.10 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 17:35.10 | infobot | Venemo: aw, gee |
| 17:35.11 | Aranel_ | anyway I'm done with Nokia headphones. |
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| 17:36.19 | user__ | Aranel_: oh yeah, ofcourse, where did u buy n900? |
| 17:36.34 | Aranel_ | user__: bought it from USA, I'm now living in Turkey. |
| 17:36.43 | crashanddie | Aranel_, just get a 60 quid sennheiser/shure aural headphone set |
| 17:36.51 | crashanddie | Aranel_, can't really go wrong |
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| 17:37.58 | Aranel_ | crashanddie: do you know Stereo BT ones? Maybe It would be better for me, since It looks like I'm good at damaging them :) |
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| 17:38.21 | user__ | Aranel_: i thought because it's chinese as mine |
| 17:39.18 | crashanddie | Aranel_, nope |
| 17:39.25 | Aranel_ | user__: nope, I heard the same "my original headphone is not working" story from lots of other ppl. |
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| 17:40.11 | user__ | Aranel_: i see, nokia to blame |
| 17:40.21 | Aranel_ | Is there any way to know if a headphone is compatible with N900 or not? |
| 17:40.23 | crashanddie | Aranel_, for the drumming, I've got a a pair of Ultimate Ears 700 (rehearsal), and I used to have some Ultimate Ears 7 Pro (custom built for my ear) but those got lost in all the moving |
| 17:40.48 | user__ | Aranel_: try sticking in it |
| 17:40.55 | crashanddie | The ultimate ears 700 probably go for something around 150 quid |
| 17:41.05 | Aranel_ | crashanddie: Buy new: $199.99 $184.07 |
| 17:41.13 | crashanddie | yeah, sounds about right |
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| 17:41.37 | crashanddie | though, bear in mind it comes with something like 5 feet of cable |
| 17:41.48 | Aranel_ | crashanddie: how about under $100 ones? :) $184 is a bit too much for me to buy. |
| 17:42.04 | crashanddie | Aranel_, sennheiser and shure really provide good quality |
| 17:42.15 | crashanddie | I actually have some Sony ones I got in an airport that I use for the laptop at work |
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| 17:42.19 | Aranel_ | crashanddie: do all sennheiser/shure units work on N900? |
| 17:42.35 | crashanddie | yeah, but no microphone |
| 17:42.39 | RST38h | javispedro moo |
| 17:42.44 | javispedro | morning |
| 17:42.50 | crashanddie | Aranel_, as long as it's 3.5mm, it should be fine |
| 17:43.00 | crashanddie | Aranel_, though, just ask the salesperson to open it and test it |
| 17:43.06 | crashanddie | anyway, I gotta run |
| 17:43.18 | Aranel_ | ok, thank you =) |
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| 17:43.46 | Aranel_ | well I can't ask to the salesperson, I'm gonna buy it online :) |
| 17:45.21 | user__ | Aranel_: oh i see y u cant sticking to test |
| 17:45.58 | Aranel_ | yes, nobody here sells those headphones, I'm in a small city. |
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| 17:49.39 | user__ | Aranel_: just checked my second ears, theres a n95 sticker, if it helps |
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| 17:51.05 | user__ | @ears headphone |
| 17:52.06 | Aranel_ | user__: n95 sticker = made by nokia = no way. |
| 17:52.08 | Aranel_ | :P |
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| 17:52.31 | user__ | Maemo Mplayer guys they change code and want to remain unknown |
| 17:52.51 | RST38h | yes, they are evil |
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| 17:53.06 | RST38h | while you do not change the code but want to become known, I assume? |
| 17:53.48 | MohammadAG | RST38h, no, that's why he kept his nick as user |
| 17:53.56 | Aranel_ | Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5vi Noise Isolating Earphones w/ Microphone How about this one? Anyone suggests/hates it? |
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| 17:55.28 | ilcesk | hi |
| 17:55.33 | ilcesk | ciao |
| 17:55.50 | ilcesk | !list |
| 17:55.53 | RST38h | Mohammad: Ah, true |
| 17:56.24 | javispedro | ponders |
| 17:56.43 | javispedro | why do I suddenly feel that aligoodidea and govprog are the same person on TMO? |
| 17:57.25 | javispedro | they both tend to talk nonsense, post at similar timezones and usually thank each other for their nonsense |
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| 17:57.39 | javispedro | .... I guess I just described a random TMO user. |
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| 18:12.04 | Venemo | javispedro: nah. my favourite troll was PradaBrada, thank god he took my advice and went away |
| 18:12.23 | Aranel_ | :P I raaaged about Nokia, and now I'm thinking of buying BH-214. And when it fails too, I'm gonna kill a random care point employee. |
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| 18:28.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | is microb webkit-based? |
| 18:28.35 | lcuk | dont think so DocScrutinizer51 |
| 18:28.43 | lcuk | but IMBW |
| 18:28.50 | nomis | DocScrutinizer51: "The browser is Mozilla-based and uses the Gecko layout engine." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB ) |
| 18:29.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | thanks |
| 18:29.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, gecko |
| 18:29.31 | MohammadAG | nvm :P |
| 18:30.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ok. I'm right, my friend is wrong. thanks @ all :-) |
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| 18:40.23 | kwtm | Wow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now? :) kidding |
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| 18:44.03 | lcuk | kwtm, you think thats bad? Mohammad01 is seriously pissed! |
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| 18:51.19 | lardman | assuming that Mohammad01 hasn't actually been imbibing beverages of the alcoholic persuasion, /me despairs at seeing lcuk sucked into the USA-centric way of being pissed; call yourself a Northerner! ;) |
| 18:52.08 | lcuk | hands in his northerner card |
| 18:52.50 | lardman | noooo! |
| 18:53.06 | lardman | and I'm a Southern Jessie and I don't want you to hand your card in! |
| 18:53.43 | MohammadAG | who's Mohammad01? :P |
| 18:53.51 | kwtm | lardman: Well, if I were pissed, I'd be pissed, too! :P |
| 18:54.14 | lardman | :) |
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| 18:57.38 | lcuk | speaking of pissed |
| 18:57.43 | lcuk | time to head for #meego-bar |
| 18:58.58 | lcuk | lardman, is the camera on n900 good enough to do simple spectrometry |
| 18:59.15 | lcuk | to hold it up to a pint and have it tell you what it is |
| 18:59.20 | lcuk | and alcohol content etc |
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| 19:02.40 | alterego | lcuk: unlikely, I was under the impression that requires ultraviolet bands? |
| 19:03.07 | lcuk | alterego, IDK |
| 19:03.11 | lcuk | just for fun rly :) |
| 19:03.12 | alterego | :) |
| 19:03.25 | alterego | I think that smell sensor is more accurate anyway ;) |
| 19:03.34 | alterego | That Nokia research are working on in Cambridge :D |
| 19:03.44 | lcuk | wheres link? |
| 19:04.03 | lcuk | when we get fuel cells it will be better anyway |
| 19:04.09 | lcuk | can just pour beer in |
| 19:04.14 | alterego | Think this is it: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/09/28/beyond-morph-a-vist-to-nokia-research-centre-cambridge/ |
| 19:04.18 | lcuk | and it will extract electricity and hiccup at you |
| 19:04.24 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 19:07.04 | ShadowJK | There are funny scams on ebay |
| 19:07.14 | ShadowJK | People selling reverse fuel cells to hook up to your car |
| 19:09.58 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Appropriate for christmas too! |
| 19:10.02 | SpeedEvil | HOHO |
| 19:10.36 | ShadowJK | groan |
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| 19:11.05 | pupnik | i think it's cool how lcuk anticipated how everyone wants to use tablets in 2010 with 'liqbase' |
| 19:11.45 | kerio | hooray for lcuk! |
| 19:11.52 | kerio | let's bring bacon! |
| 19:12.06 | pupnik | "small screen? just pan a larger view-space" |
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| 19:12.29 | pupnik | that deserves some recognition |
| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-22 19:40:23] <kwtm> Wow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now? :) kidding |
| 19:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-22 19:44:03] <lcuk> kwtm, you think thats bad? Mohammad01 is seriously pissed! |
| 19:14.54 | SpeedEvil | well - no |
| 19:14.57 | DocScrutinizer | errrrr WUT? |
| 19:15.04 | SpeedEvil | I was using my 486/75 laptop like that |
| 19:16.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, if you understand that, do ping me, I'm kinda lost too :P |
| 19:16.38 | kerio | hmm... base 17? |
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| 19:18.31 | alterego | Cool, managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app : |
| 19:18.33 | alterego | :) |
| 19:19.43 | alterego | Hrm, okay, almost managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app ... |
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| 19:40.55 | RST38h | http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/xlopotov_8/2010_14/otvaga_szhatie_1_002.jpg |
| 19:41.14 | RST38h | [yes, that is exactly what you think it is] |
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| 19:42.16 | lardman | RST38h: cool, I must come round to your place for a drive |
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| 19:47.25 | RST38h | lardman: not exactly here, but close enough (Ivanovo) |
| 19:49.14 | lardman | :) |
| 19:51.04 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, ping |
| 19:51.24 | Venemo | eh. |
| 19:51.32 | Venemo | it is _hard_ to write on a touchscreen |
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| 19:51.43 | RST38h | 30kg ruby crystal, separate powerplant driving the pump |
| 19:51.53 | MohammadAG | on a tablet, no, on an N900, maybe |
| 19:51.59 | MohammadAG | lcuk, knows more :P |
| 19:52.16 | RST38h | it is the hard plastic to blame mostly |
| 19:52.28 | RST38h | n810 is easier to write on |
| 19:52.33 | lcuk | MohammadAG, |
| 19:52.39 | lcuk | its more difficult to write on a tablet |
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| 19:52.51 | lcuk | well, a MT finger one |
| 19:52.56 | MohammadAG | lcuk, not on my old one, it had a digitizer :) |
| 19:52.59 | MohammadAG | the wacom ones |
| 19:53.00 | lcuk | yeah |
| 19:53.03 | lcuk | :) |
| 19:53.22 | lcuk | they have a stylus :) |
| 19:53.41 | javispedro | capacitive -- argh!! |
| 19:53.42 | lcuk | but using it in day/day is harsh |
| 19:54.07 | lcuk | javispedro, its not so bad http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg |
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| 19:54.24 | MohammadAG | javispedro, those aren't capacitive :) |
| 19:54.35 | javispedro | wacom? I know |
| 19:54.56 | MohammadAG | oh, the new ones |
| 19:55.24 | javispedro | what happens to the new ones? did they switch to capacitive too? :( |
| 19:56.00 | MohammadAG | the one lcuk has is capacitive I think |
| 19:56.20 | MohammadAG | I mean, last time I checked a tablet it was glass |
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| 19:57.56 | javispedro | I've seen active + capacitive tablets |
| 19:58.01 | javispedro | sound like a joke to me |
| 19:58.12 | javispedro | they work with the bundled stylus, with a finger |
| 19:58.15 | javispedro | but nothing else |
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| 20:01.57 | GAN900 | continues writing his conference survey response. |
| 20:03.09 | lcuk | GAN900, whats the link for that |
| 20:03.17 | lcuk | and is this the official meego conference survey |
| 20:03.26 | lcuk | because theres been a few flying around? |
| 20:04.20 | ds3 | "too many chunks flying around, couldn't get anything use.'<Send> :) |
| 20:04.49 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I think it is, saw something along the lines of it from the mailing list |
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| 20:05.01 | javispedro | http://conference2010.meego.com/post-conference-survey |
| 20:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | feels like wetware CPU is going down, as it's impossible to make any sense of the last ~50+ posts |
| 20:09.38 | javispedro | which thread? |
| 20:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | this chan? |
| 20:11.40 | javispedro | ~reset |
| 20:11.40 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, reset is not influencing the message about the kernel on hyper terminal |
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| 20:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | sounds about right and really more reasonable than some of the other statements |
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| 20:27.06 | MohammadAG | kinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D |
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| 20:30.44 | alterego | Well, I can't be bothered to try and work out how to get Qt Creator to start a decent remote debugging session. |
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| 20:30.53 | alterego | So I'm just going to have to run it manually on the device. |
| 20:31.04 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, did you catch the bit about the Lorax in the haberdasher's annex scheming with Robin Williams and the Grinch? |
| 20:31.35 | alterego | MohammadAG: is that a KDE thing? |
| 20:32.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, scroll to the bottom |
| 20:32.42 | alterego | Yeah, looks like it. |
| 20:32.42 | MohammadAG | Part of the KDE family |
| 20:32.51 | alterego | I guess I'm going to have to up-the-game O_O |
| 20:32.56 | alterego | There can be only one! |
| 20:33.31 | MohammadAG | takes a gun and points at alterego |
| 20:34.08 | alterego | It's alright, I don't care. |
| 20:34.23 | alterego | Once v1 is out of the way, I've got something very special for my v2 road map ;) |
| 20:34.38 | MohammadAG | lowers gun, need to find someone who gets scared easily |
| 20:35.12 | alterego | Kind of strange how my plans for v2 were actually my initial major idea in the beginning. |
| 20:35.50 | alterego | But you'll see what I mean when I start working on it :) |
| 20:36.20 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: should I use a junctionfet for that discrete instrumental opamp I plan to design for ANOMEEL phase 2? |
| 20:37.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, did you see the KDE app on the N900? |
| 20:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 20:37.57 | Venemo | what KDE app? |
| 20:38.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Venemo <MohammadAG> kinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D |
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| 20:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | ooh Marble |
| 20:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | got Marble on my taskbar on PC |
| 20:39.43 | Venemo | seems good stuff |
| 20:39.57 | alterego | I wonder if the desktop version will work with Columbus ;) |
| 20:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | fckng awesome |
| 20:42.12 | Venemo | alterego, does this stuff make Columbus obsolete? |
| 20:42.19 | alterego | Nope |
| 20:42.40 | alterego | They barely overlap in functionality to be honest. |
| 20:42.45 | Venemo | yup |
| 20:42.55 | alterego | About the only thing they do that's similar is tell you lat an lon :) |
| 20:42.59 | Venemo | this stuff doesn't have a compass, nor the utilities yours provide |
| 20:43.21 | alterego | Exactly, mine is meant as a toolkit for the enthusiast. |
| 20:43.25 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-buys-back-toshibas-cell-plant-for-50-billion-yen-makes-a/ |
| 20:43.38 | alterego | And have profiles for sailing and flight. |
| 20:43.38 | RST38h | Cell continues delivering lulz |
| 20:43.50 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 20:46.45 | GAN900 | RST38h, yes, but it's cool! :P |
| 20:46.59 | GAN900 | I still miss PPC. |
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| 20:49.51 | alterego | sighs |
| 20:50.14 | alterego | qt mobility location is being a pain in the ass again -_- |
| 20:50.59 | alterego | It's such a little b*tch |
| 20:51.51 | lcuk | write out how and why its not as you expect |
| 20:51.56 | lcuk | and file a speculative bug about it |
| 20:52.06 | lcuk | start a discussion on the mobility ml |
| 20:52.09 | lcuk | or in their irc |
| 20:52.10 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:52.21 | alterego | I've been through it before, as have others. |
| 20:52.30 | alterego | Sometimes it just doesn't work. |
| 20:52.40 | lcuk | what doesnt? |
| 20:52.49 | alterego | It doesn't startup liblocation |
| 20:52.55 | alterego | So you never get any data. |
| 20:53.14 | alterego | Or something like that. |
| 20:53.36 | alterego | It's, well, delicate. |
| 20:53.48 | alterego | I should probably debug it though tbh. |
| 20:54.04 | alterego | Because, when it happens, it never goes away. |
| 20:54.04 | lcuk | :) |
| 20:55.09 | alterego | Last time I "fixed" it, by changing the order I called startUpdates() on the QGeoPositionInfoSource and the QGeoSatelliteInfoSource |
| 20:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: MohammadAG: thanks :-D |
| 20:56.34 | alterego | So whatever it is, it's something probably unobvious, doesn't create an error and has something to do with linking. |
| 20:56.43 | alterego | Which doesn't make any sense to me :/ |
| 20:57.04 | alterego | If only I had a working debugging environment O_O |
| 20:57.10 | alterego | (when it rains it pours) |
| 20:57.36 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: for what? |
| 20:57.49 | pupnik | Reporter to Bernanke: "What's the best thing about your job?" Bernanke thinks a moment... "I don't have to go through airline security anymore." |
| 20:57.56 | RST38h | New Fennec beta is out |
| 20:58.11 | RST38h | pupnik: Bastard =) |
| 20:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: probably an oopsie. Actually thanks to MohammadAG about marble pointer |
| 20:58.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: k |
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| 21:00.42 | alterego | screams "Mobility, what do you want from me?!?!" |
| 21:01.13 | Venemo | alterego: it works for me. (I haven't really used the GPS stuff from it yet though) |
| 21:01.24 | alterego | Venemo: well, obviously it's worked for me too ;) |
| 21:01.41 | alterego | The point is, several times now, it has stopped working, for now reason. |
| 21:01.44 | GAN900 | pupnik, shoot them out of cannons. |
| 21:01.48 | GAN900 | Into the sun. |
| 21:01.48 | alterego | s/now/no/ |
| 21:01.50 | Venemo | alterego: I get it |
| 21:02.04 | alterego | Damnit, wrong "now" :D |
| 21:02.28 | Venemo | np |
| 21:02.40 | RST38h | GAN: What if Bernanke does not reach the proper speed and falls back to Earth? Imagine the cost of the cleanup! |
| 21:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | FSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHIT ""Marble; Details; Problems: conflict with libqt4-opengl; libqt4-xmlpatterns; libqt4-webkit; libqt4-maemo5... ..."" |
| 21:05.11 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:05.16 | alterego | you what? |
| 21:05.34 | alterego | Is it using experimental? |
| 21:05.46 | alterego | Though, that shouldn't conflict .. |
| 21:06.11 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: srsly, what did you expect? |
| 21:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | :-S nothing really differnet |
| 21:06.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: 1) 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr' |
| 21:06.40 | GAN900 | RST38h, bigger cannons! |
| 21:06.42 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: 2) add SDK repo |
| 21:06.52 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: 3) 'apt-get install libqt-4-core' |
| 21:06.59 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: 4) profit! |
| 21:07.20 | alterego | Hah |
| 21:07.26 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: maybe apt-get install libqtm-blahblah too |
| 21:08.05 | alterego | gdb is no fun without an IDEA |
| 21:08.08 | alterego | ~IDE .. |
| 21:09.18 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: of course, substitute the generic-pr with the one you have, plus, don't go too crazy with the SDK repo, may brick your device |
| 21:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | no idea about SDK repo |
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| 21:10.01 | RST38h | sloooooow |
| 21:10.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories |
| 21:10.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free |
| 21:11.11 | RST38h | Dear Cthulhu, please tell Fennec developers that they are megalomaniacs |
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| 21:11.39 | Venemo | RST38h: why is that? |
| 21:11.52 | RST38h | Venemo: install Fennec 4b3 and see |
| 21:11.59 | Venemo | k |
| 21:12.13 | RST38h | see it chow on swap for minutes that is |
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| 21:13.25 | alterego | Heh |
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| 21:15.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: any success? |
| 21:15.38 | Venemo | RST38h: I tried the previous beta yesterday, it wasn't that bad. will try the new one now |
| 21:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | mtakes ages to even add that catalog |
| 21:16.41 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: maybe do it from the terminal then, HAM is slow, plus you can't upgrade libraries from HAM |
| 21:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | too late |
| 21:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | "checking updates" - might take an hour |
| 21:17.59 | Venemo | killall hildon-application manager |
| 21:17.59 | Venemo | killall apt-worker |
| 21:18.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: btw, with this method, I was able to update to Qt 4.6 while I was on PR 1.1 |
| 21:18.24 | MohammadAG | Venemo, just killall apt-worker |
| 21:20.37 | lardman | night |
| 21:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | pfff for now pulseaudio is taking 17% cpu. and I guess it's trying to dl the catalog |
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| 21:21.48 | johnsq | Hi |
| 21:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | 30% user, 15% system |
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| 21:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | plus it seems my ZNC box gone down or sth |
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| 21:23.46 | alterego | sighs |
| 21:24.12 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: this was what I did put together in the 1.1 times: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52442 |
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| 21:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | friggin "couldn't contact DNS server" |
| 21:30.40 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: seems that this is not your lucky day :( |
| 21:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 21:31.20 | Venemo | hm, I installed Marble |
| 21:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | tore down WLAN and reconnected, now it's working |
| 21:31.34 | Venemo | how come that half of its ui is in Hungarian? |
| 21:32.05 | RST38h | It senses Hungarians! |
| 21:32.37 | RST38h | Furthermore, it manages to suck all memory and get permanently stuck swapping, worse than Fennec |
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| 21:33.07 | Venemo | well it could do with hw acceleration, that's for sure |
| 21:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: apt-worker 91% |
| 21:33.29 | RST38h | hw acceleration has nothign to do with it |
| 21:33.31 | MohammadAG | kill it! |
| 21:33.34 | alterego | So it's not that great? :) |
| 21:33.46 | alterego | Is my app still in the runnings for coolest geolocation app?!?! :D |
| 21:34.02 | Venemo | alterego: it would be if its behaviour would resemble anything that is related to the word "performance" |
| 21:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | E: Couldn't find package libqt-4-core |
| 21:34.09 | RST38h | Marble? Well, it might be great, but as it is completely unresponsive most of the time, there is no way to find out |
| 21:34.17 | RST38h | Doc: Upgrade to PR1.3 already, |
| 21:34.21 | MohammadAG | apt-get update |
| 21:34.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:34.42 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: because it is 'libqt4-core' and NOT 'libqt-4-core' |
| 21:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | gathered as much now: libqt4-core - Qt 4 core module |
| 21:35.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:35.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: don't forget apt-get update after you added the repo |
| 21:35.59 | alterego | I'm about ready to give up. |
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| 21:36.45 | Venemo | alterego: :( |
| 21:37.05 | Venemo | RST38h: trying new fennec now |
| 21:37.34 | alterego | Seriously, I mean, what the actual f :( |
| 21:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | libqt4-phonon EEEEEEEEEK! |
| 21:38.09 | alterego | Hahah |
| 21:38.18 | DocScrutinizer | taking bets about if I need to flash now |
| 21:38.38 | MohammadAG | what is phohon? |
| 21:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | some KDE media BS |
| 21:39.02 | chx | it's the Nth attempt to make Linux sound work. |
| 21:39.06 | chx | None of them succeeded. |
| 21:39.11 | Venemo | lol |
| 21:39.12 | chx | So they keep trying instead of fixing ONE. |
| 21:39.13 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:39.13 | javispedro | not about sound actually |
| 21:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | media |
| 21:39.27 | javispedro | it's one of those new fangled KDE-made abstraction layers that don't abstract anything |
| 21:39.33 | nox- | that reminds me of... http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png |
| 21:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:40.01 | nox- | chx, yeap :( |
| 21:40.05 | javispedro | <rant>like their supposed "hal abstraction layer" that had to be severily modified when hal disappeared</rant> |
| 21:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | phonon is ARTS' evil child |
| 21:40.23 | javispedro | arts was more about audio |
| 21:40.26 | chx | and arts was not too innocent either |
| 21:40.33 | javispedro | phonon is a gstreamer abstraction layer |
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| 21:41.07 | chx | nox-: LOOL |
| 21:41.21 | javispedro | funnily, nokia adopted it (phonon) but I don't know what they plan to do with it now |
| 21:41.30 | javispedro | other than silently let it rot while it desyncs with the kde phonon |
| 21:41.39 | alterego | I think it's all getting merged into "Qt Multimedia" |
| 21:41.42 | javispedro | also </rant> =) |
| 21:41.49 | alterego | They're removing crap and trying to make something a bit better. |
| 21:42.06 | alterego | But tbh, Qt Multimedia isn't particularly great at the moment ::/ |
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| 21:42.07 | MohammadAG | N+1th attemp? |
| 21:42.25 | javispedro | well, I was one of those guys who applauded their decision not to reinvent the wheel and instead use KDE's reinvention of the wheel |
| 21:42.27 | nox- | <3 freebsd oss `rewrite' with in-kernel mixing and per-app volume control... (few freebsd users ever need any `sound daemons' :) |
| 21:42.32 | javispedro | so you can guess how I feel now. |
| 21:42.39 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:43.25 | Venemo | RST38h: hey, new Fennec beta doesn't seem bad at all |
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| 21:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | phonon is as braindead as it gets right now, judging from my KDE4 on PC |
| 21:44.03 | javispedro | what do you expect |
| 21:44.09 | javispedro | the phonon kde4 uses is not the phonon qt uses. |
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| 21:44.36 | nox- | rofl |
| 21:44.37 | javispedro | talking about audio |
| 21:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | abstarction wanker noobs all over tha place |
| 21:44.47 | javispedro | my left channel suddently muted, buggy alsa. |
| 21:44.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: KDE itself is as braindead as it gets, sometimes |
| 21:44.55 | javispedro | time to reboot. |
| 21:45.42 | DocScrutinizer | wow! at least no more problems at marble install |
| 21:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | k, it pulls in libqtm-sysinfo |
| 21:46.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: if you installed libqtm-sensors too, you could use the regular version of Puzzle Master with accelerometer support |
| 21:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | so be it |
| 21:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | NFC what got installed |
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| 21:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | libqt4-core was actually some 30 pkgs |
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| 21:47.43 | alterego | Okay, hopefully this will get around my crappy debugging problem .. |
| 21:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | WB javispedro |
| 21:48.07 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: yeah, libqt4-core is what pulls in all the qt packages |
| 21:48.12 | MohammadAG | fast reboot |
| 21:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | indeed |
| 21:48.24 | javispedro | =) |
| 21:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | only 3 min |
| 21:48.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: (well it doesn't actually, but since all other Qt packages depend on it, apt will resolve it by updating those too) |
| 21:48.47 | javispedro | since a recent kernel the soundblaster alsa driver 's been doing stupid things |
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| 21:49.11 | javispedro | don't really know where to start to debug it as there have been no important changes to the driver at all, so the issue comes from "somewhere else" |
| 21:49.12 | Venemo | RST38h: however I can't find the "Add a device" option in my desktop Firefox's sync options... |
| 21:49.59 | SpeedEvil | passes javispedro git bisect. |
| 21:50.37 | javispedro | random issue, so an unaided git bisect could take a lifetime... |
| 21:51.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 21:51.28 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 21:56.57 | Venemo | RST38h: hm, solved it by googling. now all my stuff is synced |
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| 22:02.53 | gazu | any idea how longer takes the device to reboot after being full flashed?? |
| 22:03.17 | SpeedEvil | a bit longer than normal |
| 22:03.21 | SpeedEvil | a minute or two/ |
| 22:04.30 | gazu | I'm waiting after 20 minutes |
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| 22:05.52 | Venemo | gazu: that's too much |
| 22:06.23 | gazu | that what i thought |
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| 22:08.00 | gazu | I'm running this commands |
| 22:08.06 | gazu | sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 22:08.11 | gazu | and then |
| 22:08.36 | gazu | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:12.06 | Venemo | gazu: that's correct |
| 22:12.16 | Venemo | gazu: after it's complete, use the power button to turn it on |
| 22:12.41 | gazu | any idea why is taking so long |
| 22:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | well, marble works - kinda. does routes, does even navigation guidance |
| 22:12.47 | gazu | I did |
| 22:12.58 | Pradeep | gazu, i think it is on the wiki |
| 22:13.10 | Pradeep | gazu, check |
| 22:13.52 | Pradeep | flash mine yesterday with the global .bin file |
| 22:15.03 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: your seconf flash process for *COMBINED* worked and returned some proper message saying it succeeded? |
| 22:15.35 | gazu | yes |
| 22:16.14 | gazu | but after going throw the welcome message takes forever |
| 22:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | welcome as in "select date, time, language"? |
| 22:16.54 | gazu | yes |
| 22:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | then it actually boted properly |
| 22:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what's going on |
| 22:17.41 | Pradeep | ok |
| 22:17.44 | gazu | I'm steel waiting after more than 30 minutes |
| 22:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | screen lit? |
| 22:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | or black? |
| 22:18.30 | gazu | black with the dots loading in the middle |
| 22:18.40 | lcuk | gazu, first boot after flashing |
| 22:18.43 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so it's not suspended |
| 22:18.43 | Pradeep | hmmmm |
| 22:18.48 | lcuk | does infact take longer |
| 22:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | not 30 min |
| 22:18.56 | lcuk | but are you sure about the 5minute thing? |
| 22:18.59 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:19.48 | lcuk | gazu, what caused you to flash in the first place? |
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| 22:20.50 | gazu | was playing with some deb files and some programs stop working |
| 22:21.18 | gazu | libc6 maybe |
| 22:21.23 | javispedro | O.o |
| 22:21.32 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't it be cool to "press escape" and make the pumping dots vanish, in favour of a proper console. Like on any normal desktop linux |
| 22:21.45 | alterego | This is never going to work again :( |
| 22:22.14 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, i think framebuffer console is unstable on n900? |
| 22:22.18 | javispedro | would prefer a plain serial port console |
| 22:22.27 | nox- | isnt that under the battery? |
| 22:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | it actually is |
| 22:22.41 | alterego | You can probably use usb serial console :) |
| 22:22.51 | nox- | mh |
| 22:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: you have it hooked up to charger meanwhile? |
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| 22:23.28 | lcuk | gazu, charge up battery and reflash again? |
| 22:23.41 | gazu | no but is full charged |
| 22:24.20 | gazu | I did this the 3rth time |
| 22:24.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd like to know if it's charging anyway. I also would be interested if it locks screen with slide button |
| 22:25.47 | gazu | charges and the locks is also working |
| 22:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | finally you should try to reboot it |
| 22:26.28 | gazu | with the power button? |
| 22:26.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes, for a first shot |
| 22:27.01 | gazu | doing it right now!! |
| 22:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | I mean 40 min, there's little hope it will ever finish |
| 22:28.45 | gazu | buy now only the loading screen |
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| 22:29.43 | lcuk | ok gazu |
| 22:30.10 | lcuk | i am pondering whether eMMC is correctly partitioned or if it is corrupt |
| 22:30.16 | newbie007 | Hi I've downloaded a flv file from youtube using the youtube-dl program. I'm unable to play this using Media player. I get an invalid format error. Is there anyway to make this work? |
| 22:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: same idea here |
| 22:30.32 | lcuk | I believe that even without firstboot you can plug into usb and access the fat partition? |
| 22:30.39 | lcuk | that could give you a clue |
| 22:30.49 | lcuk | ie, if it connects but offers a corrupt fs then something is up |
| 22:30.55 | MohammadAG | newbie007, probably more than 800x480 in res size |
| 22:31.03 | MohammadAG | use -f 18 when downloading |
| 22:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | alas MassStorage doesn't export /home partition |
| 22:31.07 | newbie007 | oh |
| 22:31.20 | javispedro | maemo doesn't export /home |
| 22:31.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, but it does MyDocs |
| 22:31.22 | javispedro | meego rescue does |
| 22:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:31.27 | lcuk | and thats a reasonable initial indicator |
| 22:31.33 | lcuk | and a chance to offload some data |
| 22:31.36 | MohammadAG | (it does with the initrd image!) |
| 22:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | pondering to suggest rescue initrd |
| 22:31.47 | MohammadAG | javispedro, indeed :) |
| 22:31.56 | MohammadAG | just charge the battery fully(!!!) |
| 22:31.57 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: there's no data to offload |
| 22:31.59 | MohammadAG | it lacks bme |
| 22:32.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ? |
| 22:32.08 | DocScrutinizer | flashed VANILLA |
| 22:32.10 | lcuk | on my MyDocs theres ~10gb of photos |
| 22:32.13 | MohammadAG | and WILL shutdown without warning |
| 22:32.20 | MohammadAG | = partition table damage |
| 22:32.46 | MohammadAG | mine shutdown right when it moved on to the next step |
| 22:32.51 | MohammadAG | so I was safe :D |
| 22:33.13 | javispedro | never say safe |
| 22:33.23 | javispedro | with a mmc controller that is |
| 22:33.33 | javispedro | it could do the wrong thing on powerloss |
| 22:33.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: [2010-12-22 23:08:06] <gazu> sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 22:33.58 | MohammadAG | s/safe/lucky/ |
| 22:34.13 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ;) |
| 22:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | s/lucky/special/ |
| 22:34.31 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ahh ok |
| 22:34.43 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 22:34.49 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 22:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: that's what makes me frown |
| 22:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | if eMMC is corrupted, then something is severely fishy |
| 22:36.06 | gazu | thanks lcuk, but I did that already |
| 22:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: you should check the MD5 of your img files |
| 22:36.21 | gazu | ok |
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| 22:36.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, afaik if it was wrong, it wouldn't flash |
| 22:36.40 | MohammadAG | though I might be wrong |
| 22:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but you never know |
| 22:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | start at root |
| 22:37.02 | MohammadAG | indeed, remember when I flashed a dd'd image? :P |
| 22:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:37.12 | MohammadAG | and I lost a beer to you |
| 22:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | still waiting for it |
| 22:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:37.47 | MohammadAG | #meego-bar, lcuk will arrange everything |
| 22:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:38.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: don't go there! he will give you guinness!! |
| 22:38.16 | DocScrutinizer | with bacon? |
| 22:38.22 | lcuk | and pigs in blankets nibbles |
| 22:39.00 | MohammadAG | excuse my ignorance |
| 22:39.04 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: flashed dd image? |
| 22:39.09 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: moar details |
| 22:39.10 | MohammadAG | what's guinness |
| 22:39.19 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: dark beer |
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| 22:39.27 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, it failed halfway through |
| 22:39.42 | DocScrutinizer | very special brew of beer |
| 22:39.50 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I just dd'd an image of /dev/mtd5 somewhere |
| 22:39.50 | newbie007 | MohammadAG: the resolution is 490x360 |
| 22:40.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: irish, only for people that like that kind of beer |
| 22:40.07 | MohammadAG | (with fedora of course) |
| 22:40.07 | MohammadAG | then wrote it with flasher |
| 22:40.07 | MohammadAG | it failed |
| 22:40.09 | jacekowski | tastes little bit like it was burnt |
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| 22:40.31 | lcuk | its only nice when its cold o_O |
| 22:40.47 | DocScrutinizer | that's from the peat they use to cook it |
| 22:40.51 | ArGGu^^ | is here pc linux users? |
| 22:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | here is #maemo |
| 22:41.20 | MohammadAG | No, we use FreeDOS :P |
| 22:41.22 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, at the Meego conf we got an entire night of history and drinking |
| 22:41.29 | lcuk | the Storehouse tour was awesome |
| 22:41.36 | MohammadAG | newbie007, no idea, install decoders-support |
| 22:41.51 | MohammadAG | that would have been boring to me lcuk :P |
| 22:42.02 | MohammadAG | doesn't drink |
| 22:42.04 | jacekowski | lcuk: i don't like it |
| 22:42.09 | ArGGu^^ | Well anybody know is there any way to detect if fan is stopped |
| 22:42.18 | ArGGu^^ | lm-sensors wont show fan speed |
| 22:42.29 | MohammadAG | physically? |
| 22:42.30 | ArGGu^^ | /proc/acpi/fan is empty |
| 22:42.31 | javispedro | hah! |
| 22:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | ArGGu^^: here is #maemo |
| 22:42.35 | lcuk | MohammadAG, it was awe inspiring actually |
| 22:42.36 | MohammadAG | other than that, sorry, idk :P |
| 22:42.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, history of maemo right? |
| 22:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | ArGGu^^: maemo devices quite usually have no fan |
| 22:42.51 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: i feel sorry for you |
| 22:42.58 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you should start drinking |
| 22:43.12 | javispedro | ArGGu^^: open case, put finger in fan? |
| 22:43.15 | MohammadAG | "And there it was, PR1.2!!! Then came chuck norris and it was delayed by a thread" |
| 22:43.42 | MohammadAG | lcuk, you found that thread interesting right? |
| 22:43.46 | ArGGu^^ | DocScrutinizer I just asked beacuse I think someone here might know |
| 22:43.48 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, meh, don't smoke either |
| 22:43.54 | newbie007 | what is pr1.2, how can I tell if I have it? |
| 22:44.04 | lcuk | MohammadAG, sure I did |
| 22:44.07 | lcuk | hold on a mo |
| 22:44.12 | ArGGu^^ | People who are using maemo might also use linux on pc |
| 22:44.15 | MohammadAG | idk, I just feel that both things are retarded, except on occasions |
| 22:44.16 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: smoking is bad |
| 22:44.20 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: drinking isn't |
| 22:44.27 | javispedro | everything is bad. |
| 22:44.29 | MohammadAG | (getting addicted to smoking/being an alcoholic) |
| 22:44.33 | javispedro | drinking is bad. not drinking is bad. |
| 22:44.45 | jacekowski | let's have some sex |
| 22:44.51 | jacekowski | that's never bad |
| 22:44.54 | pupnik | programming is good |
| 22:44.58 | newbie007 | someone kick him |
| 22:45.07 | MohammadAG | you can earn that without drinking jacekowski :P |
| 22:45.26 | jacekowski | newbie007: leave |
| 22:45.28 | MohammadAG | seriously, find a gf/wife :P |
| 22:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: that's in fact the root of all evil |
| 22:45.37 | alterego | jacekowski: sex is never bad, until you wake up the next morning and you don't know where you are. |
| 22:45.41 | alterego | Or why your ass hurts. |
| 22:45.43 | alterego | chuckles |
| 22:45.57 | jacekowski | alterego: never happened to me |
| 22:45.57 | MohammadAG | LMFAO |
| 22:46.07 | jacekowski | i mean part of it happened |
| 22:46.07 | lcuk | MohammadAG, NSFW HUGE LARGE IMAGES STRESSTEST http://liqbase.net/thread.42285.pg001.to.689.imagelist_proc.html |
| 22:46.09 | jacekowski | liek where am i |
| 22:46.10 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:46.15 | jacekowski | like* |
| 22:46.25 | lcuk | complete list of all pictures that existed in that thread |
| 22:46.39 | MohammadAG | lcuk, wow, lol |
| 22:46.45 | lcuk | and yes, there are some boob shots |
| 22:46.56 | lcuk | people REALLY wanted pr1.2 :) |
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| 22:46.58 | MohammadAG | lcuk, shall I start the PR1.4 thread? |
| 22:47.10 | MohammadAG | it'll go off topic in the second reply anyways |
| 22:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | bah, 1.7 |
| 22:47.16 | Pradeep | sex is good |
| 22:47.16 | lcuk | i would rather have a meego one and bring over all the apps :) |
| 22:47.25 | Pradeep | but to much is bad to |
| 22:47.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no |
| 22:47.38 | Pradeep | cos of cancer when you get older |
| 22:47.39 | MohammadAG | 1.3.3.7 |
| 22:47.42 | lcuk | Pradeep, for that there is always lubrication |
| 22:47.45 | DocScrutinizer | YEAH |
| 22:47.50 | MohammadAG | actually, I should release the SSU like that |
| 22:47.55 | lcuk | yes |
| 22:48.01 | MohammadAG | PR1.3.3.7 |
| 22:48.05 | lcuk | :) thats an excellent hacker version |
| 22:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'm all for that |
| 22:48.32 | Pradeep | as somking goes with lung cancer like sex goes with postrate cancer |
| 22:48.47 | MohammadAG | lcuk, or swappolube! |
| 22:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | or fapman? |
| 22:49.15 | DocScrutinizer | (just in a pinch) |
| 22:50.04 | MohammadAG | swappolube |
| 22:50.06 | MohammadAG | fapman |
| 22:50.09 | Pradeep | alterego, wats up how was work today |
| 22:50.11 | MohammadAG | liqballs (cc lcuk) |
| 22:50.22 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 22:50.42 | lcuk | MohammadAG, |
| 22:50.47 | Pradeep | everyone at my work place talking about the xmas |
| 22:50.58 | lcuk | on a scroll bar, what sthe technical name for the thing you grab to move the list? |
| 22:51.11 | Pradeep | formatted all the system in office into linux mint |
| 22:51.18 | MohammadAG | slider? |
| 22:51.29 | Pradeep | cos windows virus was slowing the network down |
| 22:51.34 | alterego | contemplates giving up and dropping Qt Mobility geoloc api for liblocation directly. |
| 22:51.39 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I always see it as scrollbar |
| 22:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: slider handle? |
| 22:51.45 | MohammadAG | hence, QScrollBar |
| 22:52.31 | javispedro | lcuk: microsoft usually calls it the scroll box |
| 22:52.32 | MohammadAG | wonders if this is a real question |
| 22:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
| 22:52.55 | MohammadAG | *puke* |
| 22:53.26 | jacekowski | lcuk: slider |
| 22:53.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, how do you insult linux? |
| 22:53.33 | MohammadAG | like this http://i55.tinypic.com/27ycyf9.jpg |
| 22:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | :shudder: |
| 22:55.22 | gazu | going for one more flash |
| 22:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | runs for his budesonid |
| 22:55.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: cough and puke all you want, but they usually *employ* actual documentation writers with enough salary to lookup exactly this kind of trivia |
| 22:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's still a slider handle |
| 22:56.11 | Pradeep | anyway is it possible to have blackberry pin on n900 |
| 22:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | I couldn't figuer for the life of me what's a scrollbox |
| 22:56.41 | MohammadAG | fwiw, Qt calls it a scrollbox too |
| 22:56.51 | MohammadAG | which is a widget with a scrollbar |
| 22:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | actually I thought a scrollbox is something like the qt date/time settings abomination |
| 22:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | a scrollbox yeah, a widget with text and a scrollbar. Never ever the handle of the scrollbar slider |
| 22:58.27 | DocScrutinizer | whatever |
| 22:58.31 | javispedro | :) |
| 22:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | gasps |
| 23:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | re |
| 23:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, if it were a box, there at least *could* be something inside it, no? |
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| 23:01.12 | MohammadAG | i'm off to bed |
| 23:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: n8 |
| 23:01.21 | javispedro | cya MohammadAG |
| 23:01.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, widgets, supposedly |
| 23:01.27 | MohammadAG | night :) |
| 23:02.14 | viniciuspt | Hello for all |
| 23:03.11 | gazu | should i just send back to nokia?? |
| 23:03.31 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: no luck? |
| 23:03.48 | gazu | noop |
| 23:03.57 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 23:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 23:04.13 | gazu | but just 5 minutes after the last try |
| 23:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, we seen broken eMMC before |
| 23:04.38 | gazu | what then? |
| 23:04.43 | javispedro | on a Nokia center they might be able to reflash it on site |
| 23:05.14 | viniciuspt | anyone know how good the maemo development? Maemo 6 will be launched? |
| 23:05.16 | viniciuspt | I think the worst thing, Nokia has "abandoned"the platform! |
| 23:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'd try with meego recue initrd |
| 23:06.25 | alterego | I need someone who's much better at debugging than me to fix this I think :( |
| 23:06.54 | DocScrutinizer | <advocatus diaboli> the platform and OS is perfect. Nokia hasn't abandoned it, they just finished mission |
| 23:07.05 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:07.14 | Venemo | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 23:07.24 | jacekowski | alterego: ? |
| 23:07.38 | jacekowski | javispedro: just one question, are you doing anything with preenv or something? |
| 23:07.40 | Venemo | viniciuspt: Maemo 6 will use the MeeGo handset ux afaik, plus some closed source crap |
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| 23:08.10 | jacekowski | javispedro: ability to rotate accelerometer would be nice |
| 23:08.18 | alterego | jacekowski: I did a bit of refactoring, and it seems everytime I do, qt mobility geo location stops working for no apparent reason. |
| 23:08.31 | javispedro | jacekowski: trivial, noted. |
| 23:08.58 | gazu | how to I know if the emmc is broken? |
| 23:09.01 | javispedro | probably will do nothing until past christmas though :) |
| 23:09.30 | jacekowski | javispedro: is it on github or somewhere? |
| 23:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: boot into meego rescue initrd, then mount eMMc oartitions and fsck |
| 23:10.12 | javispedro | jacekowski: http://gitorious.org/preenv/preenv/blobs/master/libsdlpre/joystick.c#line121 |
| 23:10.34 | gazu | thanks I'm going to try |
| 23:11.04 | jacekowski | what license is it on? |
| 23:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | gazu: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
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| 23:12.14 | javispedro | jacekowski: lgpl2 |
| 23:12.17 | javispedro | (that lib) |
| 23:15.47 | alterego | How can I find out if a binary executable calls a specific function? |
| 23:15.59 | viniciuspt | Does anyone know whether it is true that the development of June maemo is frozen? |
| 23:16.12 | javispedro | alterego: gdb and breakpoint? :) |
| 23:16.23 | alterego | javispedro: I'm not good enough to do that. |
| 23:16.34 | javispedro | b <function_name> |
| 23:16.37 | alterego | I'm using GDB now, but the problem is, this code is in a shared lib I link against. |
| 23:17.04 | javispedro | debug the executable, it will usually do the right thing |
| 23:17.22 | alterego | Hrm, it's not showing the class I'm looking for though :/ |
| 23:17.36 | javispedro | it won't until executable loads the library |
| 23:17.39 | javispedro | ah, this is C++? |
| 23:17.42 | alterego | Yes |
| 23:17.46 | jacekowski | uuu |
| 23:17.48 | viniciuspt | huasssssss (google translate) .... |
| 23:17.49 | jacekowski | name mangling ftw |
| 23:17.52 | javispedro | consider name mangling -- |
| 23:17.56 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:18.00 | alterego | All the others seem fine :P |
| 23:18.06 | viniciuspt | Does anyone know whether it is true that the development of maemo 6 is frozen? |
| 23:18.21 | alterego | viniciuspt: I wouldn't want to guess. |
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| 23:19.01 | alterego | javispedro: if I give you my binary and my two libs, do you think you could poke at it? |
| 23:19.12 | javispedro | guess so. arm? |
| 23:19.15 | alterego | Yeah |
| 23:19.32 | alterego | Not sure how to test in scratchbox because of lack of location stuff in scratchbox. |
| 23:20.30 | javispedro | also, gdb on sb is very probably broken |
| 23:20.42 | alterego | Heh |
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| 23:23.13 | alterego | javispedro: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/columbus-broken.tar.gz |
| 23:23.29 | alterego | Anyhelp would be appreciated. |
| 23:23.45 | alterego | Basically, I can't figure out why location services aren't being started. |
| 23:23.57 | javispedro | heh |
| 23:24.26 | alterego | As far as that control logic is concerned, nothing had changed. |
| 23:24.43 | alterego | All I've done is refactor out a load of code into "libcolumbus" |
| 23:25.05 | alterego | And made the "columbus" executable basically only handle UI stuff. |
| 23:26.08 | alterego | Though, this has happened to me before, in a previous version and I managed to magically fix it by changing the order in which I create satellite info and position info source qt objects :/ |
| 23:26.36 | alterego | Whatever is going on, it's not simple. There's something really fsck'd :/ |
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| 23:28.46 | alterego | Basically, I'm looking for the little satellite dish to appear in the status area ;) |
| 23:32.19 | javispedro | worked here |
| 23:32.25 | javispedro | is it random, or ? |
| 23:32.25 | alterego | What? |
| 23:32.30 | alterego | IT worked?! |
| 23:32.55 | javispedro | yeah, dish icon and some sats enumerated on signal bars |
| 23:33.17 | javispedro | hum |
| 23:33.19 | javispedro | ponders |
| 23:33.27 | javispedro | I noticed that you gave me librxsupport.so |
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| 23:33.35 | javispedro | but the executable DEPENDS on librxsupport.so.1 |
| 23:33.37 | alterego | Yeah, has some maemo5 widgets I made. |
| 23:33.47 | javispedro | maybe you're overwriting librxsupport.so instead of .so.1 |
| 23:33.47 | javispedro | ? |
| 23:33.48 | alterego | Sorry, symlinks are missing. |
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| 23:34.35 | MohammadAG | crap, can't sleep again |
| 23:34.37 | alterego | neah, .so, .so.1 and .so.1.0 are symlinks to .so.1.0.0 on my machine. |
| 23:34.49 | javispedro | just checking :P |
| 23:35.02 | javispedro | (same for libcolumbus itself) |
| 23:35.05 | alterego | That goes for libcolumbus too. |
| 23:35.09 | comawhite | wtf, if I try renaming songs like 03 - WeiÃes Fleisch.mp3 it renames it automatically to 03 - WeiÃÂes Fleisch.mp3 |
| 23:35.47 | alterego | There must be some kind of state my N900 is in that yours isn't in, which is causing this. |
| 23:36.03 | javispedro | reboot =) |
| 23:36.03 | comawhite | i wonder why the hell it's done in vfat in the first place >.< |
| 23:36.09 | alterego | What's "location-proxy" ? |
| 23:36.14 | alterego | /usr/bin/location-proxy |
| 23:36.15 | javispedro | a required daemon |
| 23:36.18 | alterego | Okay |
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| 23:36.25 | MohammadAG | comawhite, windows |
| 23:36.30 | comawhite | blah |
| 23:36.37 | comawhite | effin windows |
| 23:37.00 | alterego | thinks for a bit. |
| 23:37.09 | gazu | the same thing just the loading dots |
| 23:37.14 | alterego | Okay, I've got an idea, if restarting my N900 doesn't work, I think I know what's up |
| 23:38.15 | gazu | is driving me crazy the phone is almost new |
| 23:38.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, it's a conspiracy to make you lose your uptime |
| 23:38.39 | alterego | I've wasted almost an entire fscking day on this |
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| 23:39.10 | javispedro | either way, where did you want to put the breakpoint? |
| 23:39.11 | alterego | Where's that gps-cache-reset program? |
| 23:39.19 | alterego | javispedro: doesn't matter now. |
| 23:39.30 | alterego | javispedro: if it works on yours then it can't be the code. |
| 23:39.39 | alterego | And it's made me think, maybe the code was never broken. |
| 23:39.51 | alterego | Maybe at somepoint my GPS has got screwed |
| 23:39.53 | javispedro | depends on what you want to debug =) |
| 23:40.04 | alterego | Well, my device is the one that's not working. |
| 23:40.05 | MohammadAG | alterego, it works for me |
| 23:40.05 | javispedro | wants to find more crap in mobility |
| 23:40.10 | gazu | what should i do now?? |
| 23:40.10 | alterego | I could charge it up and mail it to you ;) |
| 23:40.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, solid satellite |
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| 23:40.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the two's compliment of a positive number is itself, right? |
| 23:44.07 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: right? |
| 23:44.19 | alterego | MohammadAG: you're a bitch as well :P |
| 23:44.30 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement |
| 23:44.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, I object! :P |
| 23:44.40 | alterego | Found it, "clear-gps-cache" thought I had it in my archive |
| 23:44.43 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I read it already |
| 23:44.46 | comawhite | this sucks no custom ringtones for contacts :( |
| 23:44.51 | comawhite | just global one |
| 23:44.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'm just not sure. could you answer my question? |
| 23:45.10 | Venemo | comawhite: there's an app for that |
| 23:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | the answer is no |
| 23:45.25 | alterego | Okay, that didn't work. |
| 23:45.28 | alterego | Attempting restart |
| 23:45.39 | MohammadAG | alterego, ship the device |
| 23:45.42 | comawhite | Venemo, where!!!!! |
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| 23:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | technically the two's complement of N is -N usually iirc |
| 23:46.02 | MohammadAG | sets up ebay account |
| 23:46.28 | Venemo | comawhite: I believe the package name is ringtoned and it appears as "custom ringtones for your contacts" in app mgr |
| 23:47.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: for a negative number, I remember that it is ~(-N)+1 |
| 23:47.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: where by ~, i mean bitwise negation |
| 23:47.23 | comawhite | Venemo, fucking thank you :D |
| 23:47.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, works for me :P |
| 23:47.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that correct? |
| 23:47.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, just checked again |
| 23:48.16 | comawhite | Venemo, you using pidgeon plugins for conversations? |
| 23:48.33 | Venemo | comawhite: no. |
| 23:48.47 | comawhite | ah |
| 23:49.24 | Venemo | comawhite: but you can |
| 23:49.42 | alterego | Still |
| 23:49.50 | alterego | Still doesn't work O_O |
| 23:49.50 | comawhite | yeah i know, just having problem with it and was wondering if you had it too |
| 23:50.02 | alterego | After clearing the cache, and after a restart. |
| 23:50.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, it hates you |
| 23:50.57 | MohammadAG | alterego, got libqtm-location? |
| 23:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: looks correct, yes |
| 23:51.22 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: is that formula correct for positive numbers too? |
| 23:51.38 | alterego | MohammadAG: Would it not be there if I've been, for the past months developing a GPS app with it :P |
| 23:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | try it and you'll see |
| 23:51.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, maybe? xP |
| 23:52.12 | gazu | what should go first the emmc and then combined?? |
| 23:52.33 | MohammadAG | what you want, just don't use -R |
| 23:52.51 | MohammadAG | whichever* |
| 23:53.00 | gazu | thanks |
| 23:53.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about this for some time now |
| 23:54.16 | MohammadAG | gah, need to sleep |
| 23:54.32 | alterego | Me too, but I'm going insane trying to figure this out :( |
| 23:55.00 | MohammadAG | counts columbus's source code lines and tries to sleep |
| 23:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | -N = ~N +1 |
| 23:55.09 | alterego | :) |
| 23:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 23:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | N * -1 = ~N + 1 |
| 23:55.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what does N* mean? |
| 23:55.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: 12956 in total now |
| 23:56.06 | alterego | Venemo: multiplication :P |
| 23:56.14 | Venemo | oh. |
| 23:56.15 | Venemo | right |
| 23:56.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, still can't sleep, should I read them all and make each one segfault? |
| 23:56.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I still can't figure out however how to do this for a positive number. it's just too late in the evening for me to think about stuff like this |
| 23:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | -1. = 0b1111 ~-1=0b0000 ~-1 + 1 = 0b0001 = 1. |
| 23:57.08 | alterego | MohammadAG: study the code and search for memory leaks .. |
| 23:57.13 | alterego | Without valgrind! :D |
| 23:57.20 | MohammadAG | sleeps |
| 23:57.34 | MohammadAG | what's valgrind? :P |
| 23:57.47 | derf | ... |
| 23:58.22 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: so the same formula applies as I see |
| 23:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | 1. = 0b0001 ~1. = 0b1110 ~1. + 1 = 0b1111 = -1. |
| 23:58.38 | Venemo | MohammadAG: it's a memory leak debugging tool |
| 23:58.48 | alterego | Venemo: I think he was being sarcastic :P |
| 23:59.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: now you got me confused. |
| 23:59.18 | alterego | Great .. It's working now . |
| 23:59.28 | alterego | But why did it stop working I want to know >_< |
| 23:59.39 | Venemo | alterego: because it's lazy |
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