| 00:00.16 | Scor| | my linux box is a gentoo laptop, and on it i bridged eth0 and N900 together |
| 00:00.35 | Scor| | and on N900 itself i used guide from wiki.maemo.org |
| 00:00.35 | Venemo | Scor|: I recommend using the application called Mad Developer on the N900. launch it and select "usb networking" then "unix network" |
| 00:01.05 | Scor| | oh, thanks, that should simplify some things |
| 00:01.22 | Venemo | Scor|: works with a single click, plus minimal setup on your desktop |
| 00:01.41 | MohammadAG | needs to sleep |
| 00:01.55 | MohammadAG | night |
| 00:02.01 | Venemo | MohammadAG: then go to sleep |
| 00:02.05 | Venemo | good night :) |
| 00:02.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: should you ever want to try the accelerometer-enabled version, I think you may be able to update your libqt4 from the SDK repo |
| 00:02.43 | Scor| | Venemo: it works already, i just wanted to ask if it's possible to start usb0 using simple command like ifup when it's set to dhcp in /etc/network/interfaces |
| 00:02.55 | lardman | night night all |
| 00:02.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: thanks. what will accel do? |
| 00:03.03 | Venemo | Scor|: oh, I dunno that, sorry |
| 00:03.13 | MohammadAG | Venemo, read me a story about open source vs closed source |
| 00:03.16 | Scor| | sure, no problem |
| 00:03.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: the pieces will drift as you tilt the N900 |
| 00:03.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG: :) |
| 00:03.53 | MohammadAG | in a way that doesn't annoy you, but adds life to the game :P |
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| 00:04.52 | Venemo | nah |
| 00:04.53 | Scor| | Venemo: how can i install that "Mad Developer" app using apt ? |
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| 00:05.08 | Venemo | Scor|: not sure which repo it's in |
| 00:05.26 | Scor| | extras, i got it in app manager |
| 00:05.37 | Venemo | Scor|: 'apt-get install mad-developer' should do it |
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| 00:06.30 | Scor| | yup, it works :) |
| 00:06.41 | Scor| | there should be some shearch function... |
| 00:06.47 | Venemo | MohammadAG: btw, DocScrutinizer's version is special. it contains in the package description, "This version is specifically built for the one and only DocScrutinizer!" |
| 00:07.02 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 00:07.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | heh! |
| 00:07.45 | Venemo | wondered if DocScrutinizer51 would notice it :P |
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| 00:08.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I only checked the installs/problems tab :) |
| 00:08.57 | Venemo | hehe :) |
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| 00:09.33 | Venemo | nah, I'll leave you alone guys, I gotta boot my Fedora and try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669 |
| 00:09.43 | Venemo | will be back in a few minutes |
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| 00:10.08 | Venemo | brb |
| 00:10.09 | b-man` | saw that this morning :) |
| 00:10.49 | b-man` | if only i still had my N800, i kinda miss the 4" screen :( |
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| 00:12.55 | Scorcerer | works like a charm, thanks Venemo |
| 00:14.37 | Venemo_N900 | Scorcerer: umm, what? |
| 00:14.55 | Scorcerer | oh, nvm :> |
| 00:15.12 | Venemo_N900 | what works like a charm? :P |
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| 00:16.17 | Scorcerer | mad developer + usb networking + bridged ifaces on gentoo :) |
| 00:16.18 | Venemo | hey again folks |
| 00:16.27 | Venemo | Scorcerer: oh, that was you :) |
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| 00:16.38 | Venemo | Scorcerer: you're welcome |
| 00:18.32 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the solution was to download an old version of MADDE and use that to build the app for you |
| 00:19.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | eeeew, what a pain |
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| 00:19.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry |
| 00:19.36 | Venemo | no problem |
| 00:19.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway been worth it :D |
| 00:20.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | really nice |
| 00:20.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | faces are simple |
| 00:20.21 | Venemo | after the one with the newer version didn't work, it became a challenge for me. if I didn't solve it, I couldn't sleep :P |
| 00:20.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | got 90s for 4*4 |
| 00:20.32 | Venemo | :) |
| 00:21.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | now I'll segfault it :-P |
| 00:21.15 | Venemo | how? |
| 00:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah |
| 00:21.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | yust an impossible puzzle from that mp4 |
| 00:22.03 | Venemo | ehm. |
| 00:22.08 | Venemo | it just won't open it |
| 00:22.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | it did |
| 00:22.26 | Venemo | an mp4? |
| 00:22.29 | Venemo | heh |
| 00:22.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | allegedly even prepared |
| 00:22.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | all black though |
| 00:22.54 | Venemo | yep. |
| 00:23.10 | Venemo | QPixmap silently fails when it finds a format it can't handle |
| 00:24.33 | Venemo | I forgot to check it, so the game thinks that it is okay |
| 00:24.40 | Venemo | it will not segfault though :) |
| 00:24.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 00:24.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | one thing |
| 00:24.56 | Venemo | yes? |
| 00:25.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | it should keep the "other..." pictures |
| 00:26.08 | Venemo | good idea |
| 00:26.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | either that or directly open |
| 00:26.31 | Venemo | okay |
| 00:26.39 | Venemo | hm |
| 00:26.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway if it append to the local list, it should keep and have a way to delete from there |
| 00:27.31 | Venemo | yeah, this is among the planned features |
| 00:27.46 | Venemo | the other one is a setting to change the background |
| 00:28.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr |
| 00:28.06 | Venemo | that way you can play with darker pictures without issue by setting a white background |
| 00:28.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
| 00:28.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 00:29.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you like to get fancy, you can build a histogram for the used colors |
| 00:29.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | then auto tune background to complementary |
| 00:29.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | or checkered |
| 00:30.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | if no unused color |
| 00:30.25 | Venemo | was thinking about it, but I don't know of an easy way to do this |
| 00:31.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | cmdline imgtools |
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| 00:33.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | or steal from fcam |
| 00:33.32 | jacekowski | hmm, japan |
| 00:33.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm? |
| 00:34.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | silvian? |
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| 00:36.12 | Macer | so objects within the universe can not travel faster than light but the universe can expand faster than the speed of light? |
| 00:36.22 | Venemo | yes Macer |
| 00:36.47 | Venemo | Macer: and the former is only true until the invention of FTL |
| 00:37.23 | Macer | so how are two objects moving away from one another each traveling at light speed not considered by each observer as traveling faster than light? |
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| 00:37.37 | Venemo | Macer: ask a philosopher |
| 00:37.52 | Macer | wouldn't they appear as traveling 2x the speed of light? :) |
| 00:37.59 | Venemo | maybe yes |
| 00:38.12 | Venemo | I haven't observed anything moving away from me FTL yet :P |
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| 00:38.37 | Macer | you probably have ;) you just dont know it |
| 00:38.57 | Macer | i was more so curious about the universe not having an outer edge |
| 00:39.11 | Macer | odd concept |
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| 00:39.38 | MohammadAG | damn sleepless nights |
| 00:39.56 | Macer | i think the best theory i heard was that our universe was actually the inside of an event horizon :) |
| 00:39.56 | Venemo | MohammadAG: just go sleep :P |
| 00:39.57 | nox- | Macer, you forgot time passes different near light speed... |
| 00:40.15 | MohammadAG | Venemo, i'm in bed |
| 00:40.29 | Macer | there is no such thing as time :) |
| 00:40.33 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I couldn't sleep either while chatting on IRC :P |
| 00:41.15 | MohammadAG | was offline |
| 00:41.32 | Venemo | hm, sorry |
| 00:41.41 | nox- | Macer, in that case, speed becomes meaningless too :) |
| 00:44.28 | spiritd | installing maemo sdk |
| 00:45.07 | spiritd | is there some packet generator tool for maemo like hping, nemesis, packeth |
| 00:45.09 | spiritd | ? |
| 00:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: (FTL) you gave the answer: you just dont know it. I.E. that's the base of relativity theory. You are not observing anything absolute, ever. The info about location needs time to reach you, and your time isn't the time of the object moving |
| 00:48.59 | spiritd | where did you learne that? :D |
| 00:49.32 | DocScrutinizer | you learn such things at school, no? |
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| 00:55.32 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:56.47 | MohammadAG | aftermidnight Termana |
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| 01:04.34 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what to do if an N810 doesn't want to boot into flashing mode? |
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| 01:09.51 | luke-jr | Venemo: there is no flashing mode |
| 01:10.05 | luke-jr | just power it off completely, remove power for a minute, then start flasher before plugging it into PC |
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| 01:10.39 | Venemo | luke-jr: what about the instruction which says long-press the button with the two overlapping rectangles? |
| 01:11.41 | Venemo | luke-jr: does ~flashing lie? |
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| 01:11.44 | alterego | That's for the N8x0s |
| 01:12.04 | alterego | We don't have that button on the N900 |
| 01:12.17 | Venemo | I'm talking about the N810 |
| 01:12.36 | Venemo | alterego: yeah. |
| 01:12.41 | alterego | Oh, well, I'm not sure it's necessary :P |
| 01:12.45 | Venemo | excerpt from ~flashing: N810 WiMAX, N810, N800 and 770: Connect your device to your computer via USB. While holding the Home/Swap button (It's a house on the 770 and N800, and two overlapping rectangles on the N810), power on the device by holding the power button. You should see a Nokia logo in the middle of the screen, and a USB icon in the top right corner. |
| 01:12.57 | alterego | Might have been in earlier f/w version irc |
| 01:13.26 | luke-jr | Venemo: sure |
| 01:13.38 | alterego | Anyhow, g'night folks. |
| 01:14.13 | Venemo | luke-jr: anyway, flasher still says Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 01:14.21 | Venemo | luke-jr: after trying what you said |
| 01:14.36 | luke-jr | Venemo: usually for me that means your host system USB stack is broken |
| 01:14.53 | luke-jr | for mod in {e,u}hci_hcd; do rmmod $mod; sleep 1; modprobe $mod; done |
| 01:15.00 | Venemo | luke-jr: well I was able to flash the N810 about a month ago from the same system |
| 01:15.07 | luke-jr | beware, all USB will shutdown for that |
| 01:15.30 | Venemo | luke-jr: hm. my system runs from an USB HDD, would it be wise to do that? :P |
| 01:15.34 | luke-jr | no |
| 01:15.37 | luke-jr | rather unwise |
| 01:15.40 | luke-jr | to run from USB |
| 01:15.45 | luke-jr | at all |
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| 01:15.53 | luke-jr | unless it's USB3 |
| 01:15.56 | luke-jr | which might be sane |
| 01:16.00 | luke-jr | but nfc how it works ⺠|
| 01:16.21 | Venemo | no, not usb 3 |
| 01:16.22 | Venemo | hm |
| 01:16.47 | luke-jr | you could reboot I suppose |
| 01:17.26 | luke-jr | the cause of the broken state is, by guessing, NOLO failing to de-initialize the port before handing it over to Linux |
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| 01:20.17 | Venemo | I could try rebooting the pc, yes |
| 01:20.56 | Venemo | but the N810 is in a bricked state now |
| 01:22.09 | Venemo | luke-jr: I was trying this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66669 |
| 01:22.34 | luke-jr | then you're screwed |
| 01:22.42 | luke-jr | N810 doesn't charge until it boots |
| 01:22.53 | Venemo | it is fully charged |
| 01:22.58 | luke-jr | not if you keep failing |
| 01:23.14 | Venemo | well since I don't power it up, it won't consume power |
| 01:23.38 | Venemo | nah, I'll reboot the pc and see what happens then |
| 01:23.40 | Venemo | brb |
| 01:26.20 | spiritd | can I copy to Xephy window? |
| 01:26.31 | spiritd | i mean ctrl+v to forms |
| 01:26.50 | spiritd | btw i have ubuntu 10.04 in vmware... and backspace doesnt work :/ |
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| 01:30.06 | Venemo | luke-jr: still no luck |
| 01:31.57 | Venemo | luke-jr: do you have any ideas? |
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| 01:33.43 | spiritd | i ll use official virtual image |
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| 01:41.54 | spiritd | how can i download this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hping2/ using app manager? |
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| 01:50.48 | Venemo | luke-jr: btw, the N810 can charge itself in its current state |
| 01:54.23 | spiritd | MohammadAG ... where can I find strace for N900? |
| 01:54.38 | MohammadAG | sdk repos |
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| 01:54.49 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace |
| 01:55.15 | spiritd | how can i add these repos to N900? |
| 01:56.43 | spiritd | hmm it is in extras-devel ... cant see that... |
| 01:56.52 | spiritd | something wrong in n900 |
| 01:57.22 | spiritd | MohammadAG btw how can i download this https://garage.maemo.org/projects/hping2/ using app manager? |
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| 02:04.25 | Venemo | nah, all solved |
| 02:04.30 | Venemo | thx for the help :) |
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| 02:11.58 | spiritd | ohhh... i understand |
| 02:12.12 | spiritd | its for older releases... "diablo" |
| 02:12.34 | spiritd | MohammadAG ... i ment ... i d like to download it for n900 phone not for sdk |
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| 02:25.43 | spiritd | these is fck good... sshd to my phone... love this phone |
| 02:26.04 | Venemo | spiritd: I'm happy :) |
| 02:26.49 | DangerMaus | heh |
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| 02:37.57 | spiritd | ok installed strace //guide http://dabase.com/blog/n900_developer_tips/ |
| 02:39.23 | Venemo | nah guys, I'm extremely weary, so I'll say goodbye and leave now |
| 02:39.33 | spiritd | kk bb |
| 02:39.38 | spiritd | gn |
| 02:39.42 | spiritd | :) |
| 02:40.43 | spiritd | even sft works... oh guys... this is totally awsome |
| 02:40.49 | spiritd | sftp |
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| 07:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | hello #maemo |
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| 07:22.28 | luke-jr | O HAI THAR MR DOC SCRUTINIZER OPENMOKO ENGINEER SIR |
| 07:23.18 | DocScrutinizer | HI MR LUKE-JR |
| 07:23.46 | toggles | i'm buying you two the new google laptops |
| 07:24.11 | derf | I'm taking away your Caps Lock keys. |
| 07:24.12 | toggles | they don't have caps lock buttons |
| 07:24.37 | luke-jr | derf: I already threw mine out |
| 07:24.52 | luke-jr | toggles: sweet, can I run Gentoo on it? |
| 07:25.28 | luke-jr | derf: seriously, my keymap uses the Caps key for Dvorak |
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| 07:25.37 | derf | I use mine for Compose. |
| 07:25.43 | luke-jr | but HOLDING SHIFT DOWN AINT HARD |
| 07:26.01 | derf | IT'S STILL FUCKING ANNOYING, THOUGH. |
| 07:26.12 | luke-jr | derf: but gets me a free laptop? |
| 07:26.20 | derf | You win this round. |
| 07:26.24 | luke-jr | XD |
| 07:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | toggles: you got my shipping addr? |
| 07:31.45 | DocScrutinizer | 12648430 |
| 07:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 07:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | 0xC0FFEE |
| 07:32.24 | spiritd | gn |
| 07:32.57 | RobbieThe1st | To be fair, those laptops have the same key, it's just a multi-function instead of just caps-lock |
| 07:33.51 | RobbieThe1st | Also, in most cases, I'm thinking that the n900's solution would be better anyway - tap or hold shift for shift, tap twice for caps-lock |
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| 08:29.14 | Termana | LOL - my mother got an app on her iPhone called "Ghost Trapper". It sits there with a radar and goes "beep" and shows some lines and dots and stuff on the radar. At the end it does one of those "scary" ghosting coming at you things. |
| 08:29.22 | Termana | She shit her pants! She thought she caught the ghost! :p |
| 08:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 08:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | thought fart app would be ultimately the worst it gets |
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| 08:39.20 | RST38h | Termana: Your mother shat her pants? Are you sure we would like to hear about that? |
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| 08:42.12 | Termana | RST38h, well i mean she didn't *really* shit her pants. She jumped up high, screamed and almost threw the phone |
| 08:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | considers an app to whisper random scary shit at random times at night, when ambient light and noise is low, and no movement |
| 08:44.15 | Choom | that could be interesting |
| 08:44.56 | DocScrutinizer | obviously has to run daemonized or via cronjob |
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| 08:45.49 | Choom | make it so that the noises stop if a light goes on or the phone is moved |
| 08:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | didn't I say exactly that? |
| 08:46.29 | Choom | no |
| 08:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | umm, I meant to |
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| 08:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | for additional schizogenic effect take random samples during day, and process them slightly with e.g. sox, to add reverb and tune pitch or stretch speed. Then use these samples for the scary noises |
| 08:50.10 | Termana | DocScrutinizer has been watching too much NCIS. Except when they did it there, it was activated by a phone call. |
| 08:50.25 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, also you did say exactly that, just in a different way :p |
| 08:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | oh, I rarely watch NCIS and missed that episode |
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| 08:52.01 | Choom | also make sure you use the proximity sensor to check whether the phone is inside a pocket, a bag, or turned upside down before validatin the light sensor's input |
| 08:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
| 08:54.00 | DocScrutinizer | I think I can integrate all that into h-e-n kernel til mid of March the latest. Then sell exorcist app on ovi, 1. of April |
| 08:56.21 | DocScrutinizer | umm, the poltergeist needs a function to patch healthcheck as well :-D |
| 08:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | "your N900 has been detected to be infected by trinary fleas" |
| 08:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | "please don't use your phone tomorrow 18:57 til 22:73! The fleas have scheduled a meeting at dark side of second life" |
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| 09:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | btw anybody recalls this hype called "second life" anymore? Got rather quiet about all that :-P |
| 09:02.43 | Termana | second life as in the game? |
| 09:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | oh that's been supposed to be a game? |
| 09:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | I thought it was a virtual shop app for Nike and IBM |
| 09:03.33 | Termana | Errmm... I think so. I didn't really use it |
| 09:03.46 | Termana | Didn't interest me, overcomplicated chat with building functions |
| 09:03.52 | Termana | 3D building* |
| 09:04.01 | DocScrutinizer | and the first life for pederasts |
| 09:05.54 | Termana | lol |
| 09:06.23 | Termana | I didn't even know what that meant until I looked it up |
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| 09:11.46 | lardman | morning |
| 09:12.35 | Termana | morning lardman |
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| 09:17.05 | lardman | hi Termana |
| 09:18.01 | DocScrutinizer | https://marketplace.secondlife.com/p/PROMO-terra-Love-Rug/1561100?ple=h *priceless* |
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| 09:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there's secondlife in secondlife :-P |
| 09:20.53 | DocScrutinizer | "Laptop with secondlife^2 preinstalled. NOMOD/NOCOPY/MOVE L$15000" |
| 09:21.20 | DocScrutinizer | 10^9 prims |
| 09:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | dualcore: 10^12 prims |
| 09:22.26 | lardman | what's a prim? |
| 09:22.42 | DocScrutinizer | I guess a primitive, some buildblock macro |
| 09:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | honestly no idea really. First time in my first life I look at 2ndlife |
| 09:23.53 | lardman | ah I was wondering if it was currency |
| 09:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | nah the currency is Lindon$ iirc |
| 09:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | freely convertable to USD |
| 09:31.04 | lardman | hmm, it's stopped snowing :( |
| 09:32.52 | RST38h | is it a good thing or a bad thing? |
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| 09:33.09 | lardman | bad, it's the weekend |
| 09:33.24 | RST38h | ah |
| 09:34.14 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1339271/Mel-Gibson-called-oven-dodger-claims-Winona-Ryder.html |
| 09:35.01 | doc|home | wtf does that even mean (there's no way I'm clicking a daily shite url) |
| 09:35.16 | lardman | lol |
| 09:35.27 | lardman | to do with the gas chambers I just found out |
| 09:35.33 | RST38h | doc: Winona Ryder acting as Cpt Obvious for today |
| 09:35.42 | doc|home | erm |
| 09:35.50 | doc|home | lost - but doesn't really care |
| 09:35.55 | lardman | anti-semetic |
| 09:36.15 | doc|home | ok |
| 09:36.21 | lardman | or semitic |
| 09:36.37 | doc|home | that's an awful url |
| 09:37.01 | doc|home | it should be legal to punch tabloid journalists |
| 09:37.49 | RST38h | You would really need it to be legal to do it? Hm. |
| 09:38.29 | doc|home | I'm not going to jail for one of those useless... people... |
| 09:38.39 | doc|home | sighs |
| 09:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: get a proper irc client - WITH TAB NICK-COMPLETION! |
| 09:39.37 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: mine has troubles with your nicks sometimes |
| 09:39.45 | RST38h | Doc: No. |
| 09:39.46 | doc|home | so, I'm buying a christmas present for someone back home (Ireland). I'm using an Irish credit card, from an Irish bank, with the billing/delivery address matching the card address. Transaction denied. Why? Because the IP address I'm doing the transaction from is in canada. |
| 09:40.04 | lardman | if it doesn't know whether I'm going to keep typing, doesn't change case for me |
| 09:40.16 | RST38h | doc: I bet you never tried buying anything from an .RU IP address... |
| 09:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | GRRRRR |
| 09:40.46 | doc|home | RST38h: .ca doesn't exactly have the same rep as .ru :) |
| 09:41.08 | doc|home | I asked if there was any way around it and the guy said "not without a proxy" :D |
| 09:41.16 | doc|home | so, he didn't suggest it as such ... |
| 09:41.23 | doc|home | places order using proxy |
| 09:41.24 | RST38h | doc: meaning, they just deny your transactions, and do not start calling your US phone number to warn you of "illegal activity using your credit card"? |
| 09:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | STOP HIGHLIGHTING ME |
| 09:41.50 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: pffft, he's not even saying your name :) |
| 09:41.53 | RST38h | Doc: You should downgrade to IRCII, it does not highlight. |
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| 09:42.05 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: do you have "doc" in your highlight list? |
| 09:42.20 | doc|home | RST38h: no, just it's rejected |
| 09:42.31 | RST38h | doc: Proxy. Problem solved. |
| 09:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | doc|home: yes, "doc:" as somebody else used to use that - also a TAB ignorant |
| 09:42.57 | doc|home | RST38h: still a hassle and stressful when you're trying to place it in the minutes before work close to christmas :/ |
| 09:43.09 | doc|home | DocScrutinizer: then it's the other guy's fault :) |
| 09:43.35 | doc|home | RST38h: have the order done now, hope it gets there in time is all |
| 09:43.36 | RST38h | doc: They will not deliver it. |
| 09:43.41 | doc|home | RST38h: they better! |
| 09:43.47 | RST38h | doc: Never do |
| 09:43.54 | doc|home | RST38h: what? |
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| 09:44.12 | doc|home | hahaha |
| 09:44.16 | RST38h | doc: Too late, parcel services are in a mess, you should be happy if they do not lose it at all |
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| 09:44.28 | doc|home | :D |
| 09:44.34 | doc|home | RST38h: we'll see :/ |
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| 09:45.04 | doc|home | sleep time, night |
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| 10:13.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: I thought you didn't own an n810? :p |
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| 11:50.43 | zchydem | hi are there any known issues related on performance and pr 1.3? I have almost N900 with pr1.3 and I installed there only MadDeveloper and ssh, it's really slow in general |
| 11:50.57 | zchydem | "almost clean" |
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| 11:52.58 | pupnik | i've seen a lot of vague complaints |
| 11:58.01 | alterego | I need two more votes: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ |
| 11:58.07 | alterego | Someone freakin' do it :) |
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| 12:21.09 | MohammadAG | can't feel his damn body |
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| 12:21.35 | SpeedEvil | Why not? |
| 12:22.05 | MohammadAG | didn't sleep last night, didn't you notice? :P |
| 12:22.12 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 12:22.16 | MohammadAG | well, couldn't |
| 12:22.36 | MohammadAG | so i've been awake for 24h+ |
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| 12:22.57 | SpeedEvil | Fun. |
| 12:23.27 | SpeedEvil | I would suggest finding somewhere nice and flat, and doing handbrake turns there. |
| 12:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | moin SpeedEvil |
| 12:23.56 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
| 12:24.00 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 12:24.07 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to sleep again. |
| 12:24.14 | SpeedEvil | It's way too cold to be up. |
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| 12:25.47 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 12:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you know anything about lis302 on OM hw? |
| 12:26.29 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 12:26.33 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 12:26.35 | SpeedEvil | My OM hw doesn't have one. |
| 12:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 12:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 12:28.15 | DocScrutinizer | funny detail I made them consider to have the Nokia driver or a similar IRQ driven concept, after only 2.5y of arguing about it |
| 12:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | while meego adopts the OM joystick polling approach :-P |
| 12:30.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, however crappy, it's UPSTREAM (uhuhuhuhh) |
| 12:30.26 | alterego | Note to self: CSS != QML |
| 12:30.33 | alterego | No matter how similar it looks. |
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| 12:35.21 | Venemo | alterego: QML is JS, not CSS |
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| 12:50.45 | alterego | Venemo: it feels more like CSS tbh |
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| 12:50.58 | Venemo | alterego: it is JSON if I recall correctly |
| 12:51.00 | alterego | At least the UI |
| 12:51.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:51.05 | Venemo | X-Fade: ping |
| 12:51.09 | alterego | But not JSON |
| 12:51.36 | alterego | It's its' own language really, kind of like JSON, but feels a little more like CSS. |
| 12:51.41 | alterego | But not either |
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| 12:52.36 | Venemo | X-Fade: I have uploaded a package called "puzzle-master" to the autobuilder yesterday evening. I received an OK email about it, but it doesn't appear in the list of the latest builds, not in the repo. could you help me? |
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| 12:53.51 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you still rock? :) |
| 12:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 12:55.26 | Venemo | :) |
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| 13:34.42 | Skald | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 13:48.14 | Skald | is back. |
| 13:49.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 13:49.50 | Venemo | morning Jaffa |
| 13:51.13 | alterego | Just need one more vote now .. |
| 13:55.51 | pupnik | preferably from an actual user ;) |
| 13:56.01 | Venemo | :D |
| 13:56.21 | Venemo | in the ideal world of sw developers, there are no actual users |
| 13:57.09 | alterego | yes |
| 13:58.07 | jaska | itd be much better that way |
| 13:58.25 | alterego | My maemo projects I write, basically, for myself. |
| 13:58.31 | alterego | Can't say I've wrote an app for users. |
| 13:58.42 | alterego | I just write things I want, then make them look nice and work nice for users. |
| 13:58.43 | BCMM | one more vote for what? |
| 13:58.49 | alterego | Well, users except DocScrutinizer |
| 13:59.11 | Venemo | hehe, why? |
| 13:59.33 | alterego | Because no one can ever reach his unobtainable standards :) |
| 13:59.49 | Venemo | hah! I was able to! :P |
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| 14:10.22 | Venemo | X-Fade: nevermind, resubmitting the package did the trick |
| 14:10.49 | Venemo | alterego: wanna give it a spin? |
| 14:10.58 | Venemo | alterego: it's in the repo now |
| 14:11.10 | alterego | Cool |
| 14:11.19 | alterego | Yeah, I'll do it in a few minutes. |
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| 14:15.22 | Skald | is away: Gone away for now |
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| 14:16.32 | Skald | is back. |
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| 14:22.54 | thresh | hi. is it a known bug that installing overclocked kernel results in v4l not working? |
| 14:25.50 | andre__ | query the bugtracker for overclocked kernels? :-P |
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| 14:39.53 | Venemo | alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=899403#post899403 |
| 14:41.31 | Jaffa | Python-folks: anyone know the import for KeyError; and how to generally find such things? |
| 14:41.51 | Jaffa | My bad. Spelt it wrong. |
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| 14:44.01 | km82rt | Hi! |
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| 14:44.33 | km82rt | I am somewhat frustrated. After kill the fs on the N900 (sudden power loss when dropping it on a hard surface) |
| 14:44.40 | km82rt | I tried to reflash it. |
| 14:44.51 | km82rt | Flashing the fiasco image is no problem |
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| 14:45.12 | km82rt | but I cannot flash the EMMC |
| 14:45.28 | Venemo | km82rt: yeah, I screwed an N900 that way once. I was able to flash both fiasco and emmc, but it just didn't work |
| 14:45.32 | km82rt | There are numerious people in forums with similar problems. |
| 14:45.48 | km82rt | Venemo: What did you finally do? |
| 14:46.26 | Venemo | km82rt: brought it to a repair center, and "forgot" to tell them that I dropped it |
| 14:46.40 | Venemo | km82rt: after a week, they replaced it with a new one, 'cause they couldn't fix it |
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| 14:47.18 | louigiverona | guysoft42, tried updating maemo from N900, it says i need to connect to nokia software. |
| 14:47.23 | km82rt | Venemo: to me this looks like a design error. (hard drop causes power failure --> causes fs corruption --> cannot be fixed....) |
| 14:47.41 | louigiverona | i am on linux there is no nokia software for it |
| 14:47.54 | louigiverona | what should I do? |
| 14:48.15 | nid0 | remove the incompatible packages you've installed preventing the ota upgrade from working |
| 14:48.27 | nid0 | or free up rootfs space if you've used a load of it |
| 14:49.20 | louigiverona | nid0, how do i know what packages are incompatible? |
| 14:49.35 | nid0 | its in the package details for the upgrade |
| 14:49.38 | km82rt | does anyone know which 4 digits on the label are the hwid? |
| 14:50.15 | louigiverona | nid0, thx, i'll try |
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| 14:52.17 | ke^ | http://fuuko.libferris.com/maemo/n900/repository/ this is repo for n900 right ? |
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| 14:53.08 | ke^ | Cant get my application manager detect the example clawmotia pkg which i why i have add this repo |
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| 14:54.30 | Venemo | I should go now; bye guys |
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| 15:19.31 | km82rt | hi tackat |
| 15:20.33 | MortimeRR | tackat: how is it in Nuremberg? A lot of snow? |
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| 15:33.12 | alterego | About an inch of snow in 20 mins |
| 15:33.16 | alterego | :) |
| 15:33.19 | alterego | purdy |
| 15:35.25 | lardman | that's impressive |
| 15:35.39 | lardman | no more here really, just 2-3" worth this morning |
| 15:37.25 | alterego | yeah, still snowing a bit, really hope my bus comes to take me into Cambridge tonight. |
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| 15:39.01 | lardman | looks like it might snow again here though, dark skies now |
| 15:39.23 | GAN900 | Ha . . . snow. |
| 15:39.32 | GAN900 | Was pouring rain this morning. |
| 15:39.35 | Jartza | could't tell, it's been dark for 2 hours already :) |
| 15:39.46 | alterego | heh |
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| 15:40.00 | Jartza | we have less than 6 hours of daylight now in finland :( |
| 15:41.41 | alterego | aww, that must be pretty depressing :D |
| 15:41.49 | Jartza | yep |
| 15:41.58 | Jartza | dark when you go to work |
| 15:42.04 | Jartza | dark when you leave home |
| 15:42.23 | GAN900 | Screw that. |
| 15:42.27 | Jartza | and about half a meter of snow |
| 15:42.33 | Jartza | and -15C :) |
| 15:42.47 | Jartza | wtf. welcome to finland. \o/ |
| 15:44.23 | SpeedEvil | It's gotten down to -15C |
| 15:44.25 | SpeedEvil | here |
| 15:44.36 | SpeedEvil | thought hat was a few days ago at night. |
| 15:44.42 | SpeedEvil | Fife, Scotland |
| 15:44.54 | GAN900 | Still getting a solid 10 hours a day here. |
| 15:44.58 | GAN900 | Thank goodness. |
| 15:45.17 | Jartza | yeah. I heard that central europe is struggling with snow :) |
| 15:45.41 | Jartza | we're just living with it. struggling doesn't help. |
| 15:47.50 | RST38h | More riots! |
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| 15:56.09 | alterego | I just need one more vote: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ |
| 15:56.15 | alterego | Some one please :) |
| 15:56.20 | alterego | goes to have a shower. |
| 16:00.12 | backwards_ | is it possible to change the sensitivity of the proximity sensor in the N900? |
| 16:01.55 | SpeedEvil | I believe not - it's a binary output sensor |
| 16:02.28 | backwards_ | is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity? |
| 16:03.01 | backwards_ | Because it needs an extreme bright light to "open" the sensor |
| 16:03.08 | SpeedEvil | It's possible something is making it ignore it, yes |
| 16:03.20 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 16:03.40 | SpeedEvil | afk - sorry - good luck |
| 16:04.10 | backwards_ | thnx |
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| 16:32.04 | tackat | MortimeRR: well, some snow. The finnish guys might disagree if I say "a lot" ;-) |
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| 16:48.24 | backwards_ | is it possible that a program which I installed changed the sensitivity of the proximity sensor? |
| 16:48.39 | alterego | no |
| 16:48.51 | alterego | Except a new kernel, possibly. |
| 16:49.11 | alterego | Unless the proximity sensor is a gpio switch, in which case, definitely not. |
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| 16:53.03 | backwards_ | but the kernel can't be changed by installed software? |
| 16:53.53 | backwards_ | I'm not understanding my proximity sensor.. I guess it could be broken, but it's wierd it does react on strong light I think |
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| 16:57.04 | GAN900 | Proximity sensor or ambient light sensor? |
| 16:57.48 | backwards_ | my screen doesn't switch on when I'm called because my phone thinks it's too dark. That's the proximity sensor right? |
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| 16:59.00 | luke-jr | alterego: proximity sensor is gpio iirc |
| 16:59.07 | luke-jr | backwards_: no |
| 16:59.22 | luke-jr | backwards_: proximity sensor detects distance to closest object |
| 16:59.31 | luke-jr | light sensor detects brightness |
| 17:01.11 | backwards_ | how come the proximity sensor opens when I hold my phone against a halogen lamp, and closes in all other cases? |
| 17:01.11 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 17:01.25 | timeless_mbp | one of the low numbered Finnish TV channels just showed a test pattern |
| 17:01.32 | timeless_mbp | then it showed black |
| 17:01.40 | timeless_mbp | now it's showing the same test pattern (but silently, thankfully!) |
| 17:01.50 | timeless_mbp | white-yellow-cyan-green-<> |
| 17:01.54 | timeless_mbp | (that's 3 flashes of it) |
| 17:02.04 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:02.05 | timeless_mbp | didn't record the other bits |
| 17:02.16 | timeless_mbp | ah, but now i'm rewarded by a pink panther short :) |
| 17:02.29 | timeless_mbp | this is channel 4 (nelonen?) |
| 17:03.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:04.16 | alterego | I still need one more freakin' vote dagnamit! |
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| 17:04.41 | backwards_ | couldn't get on your link |
| 17:05.45 | backwards_ | is there a way to test the light sensor? |
| 17:06.19 | timeless_mbp | alterego: url? |
| 17:06.40 | ShadowJK | backwards_, strong light will trigger the proximity sensor in some cases |
| 17:07.25 | ShadowJK | like if you have sunlight shining on the remote control receiver of your TV, it stops seeing your remote control |
| 17:07.39 | backwards_ | but can I check if the light sensor works? I installed HealthCheck which checks the proximity sensor, but not the light sensor |
| 17:08.23 | ShadowJK | Your assumption that "phone thinks it's too dark" is wrong |
| 17:09.07 | ShadowJK | If it thinks it's dark, it reduces the power of the backlight. If it's in reality very bright, you'd still see the screen contents if that was the case, because the screen is transreflective |
| 17:09.49 | ShadowJK | Do you have a screen protector covering the front camera, light sensor and proximity sensor? |
| 17:09.57 | backwards_ | no I don't |
| 17:10.22 | alterego | timeless_mbp: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ |
| 17:10.25 | backwards_ | I had my phone repared last week, they replaced the screen because the old screen was broken |
| 17:10.52 | timeless_mbp | alterego: um, send me an xbox360 and i'll vote for your app :) |
| 17:11.02 | backwards_ | something could have gone wrong there I guess |
| 17:12.57 | DocScrutinizer | cat the sysfs nodes |
| 17:13.44 | alterego | pfft, it works :P |
| 17:14.07 | alterego | 9/10 thumbs up is a pretty good indication of that :P |
| 17:14.39 | GAN900 | alterego, when I get home. |
| 17:15.08 | alterego | Thanks :) |
| 17:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | backwards_: cat /sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/proximity/state |
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| 17:15.24 | alterego | Still snowing here |
| 17:15.32 | alterego | Probably another 1/2 inch |
| 17:15.58 | alterego | Though, I don't know how you measure these things. |
| 17:16.00 | DocScrutinizer | backwards_: cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0029/lux |
| 17:17.10 | DocScrutinizer | backwards_: ???! |
| 17:17.13 | backwards_ | doc, I did the proximity state and it always says closed unless I use the bright light |
| 17:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's weird |
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| 17:17.43 | jacekowski | backwards_: then it's broken |
| 17:17.46 | alterego | hrm, more like 3 or 4 inchs |
| 17:17.50 | DocScrutinizer | bright light would rather make it "open" |
| 17:17.51 | jacekowski | backwards_: proximity sensor has it's own light source |
| 17:18.02 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's what he said |
| 17:18.10 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's closed unless he uses bright light |
| 17:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | err, it not what I meant though. Thanks |
| 17:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | prox sensor seing light means there's an object near that reflects sensor's own IR |
| 17:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | so light=object=closed |
| 17:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | no light=no reflexion=open |
| 17:19.26 | backwards_ | so it should be closed when there is something near |
| 17:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:19.38 | backwards_ | uhw |
| 17:20.00 | backwards_ | the second thing you told me gives me "6" don't know what that means? |
| 17:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | 6 lux, normal for room with 60W bulb |
| 17:20.32 | DocScrutinizer | hold it to the light, you get like 60 |
| 17:20.39 | DocScrutinizer | or 100 |
| 17:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | in sun 1000 |
| 17:20.58 | backwards_ | yep |
| 17:21.10 | backwards_ | bright light gives 2689 |
| 17:21.37 | backwards_ | conclusion is that prox sensor is broken and it's a hardware problem right? |
| 17:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | or 11714, next to a 60W |
| 17:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, usually that sensor is always on afaik, and for me it shows 'closed' when I cover left half of device by hand, and 'open' when there's nothing |
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| 17:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | a brigh light of ~8000Lux doesn't cause a 'closed', approaching the bulb about 3cm distance gives closed, but that also seems normal sensor operation |
| 17:25.48 | bakarat | what exactly is the reason for contacting nokia servers if you want to register an email account...? |
| 17:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | checking connectivity afaik |
| 17:26.08 | alterego | bbl |
| 17:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | backwards_: short answer: yes |
| 17:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | backwards_: nevertheless reflash! You never know |
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| 17:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | if error persists on freshly flashed clean rootfs&kernel (COMBINED fiasco img) then it's for sure a hw problem |
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| 17:29.27 | backwards_ | oke! |
| 17:30.10 | backwards_ | so is that flashing the eMMC too? |
| 17:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:30.33 | bakarat | DocScrutinizer, checking connectivity of the pop3 server...? |
| 17:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | do NOT flash the VANILLA file, that's useless |
| 17:30.40 | bakarat | why exactly is that done by nokia? |
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| 17:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | bakarat: aiui the mailer (modest) checks if it can ping an arbitrary addr in internet which happens to be Nokia. |
| 17:31.49 | bakarat | DocScrutinizer, ah ok, that would make sense |
| 17:31.58 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe it does more, e.g. asking for presets for that mail provider |
| 17:32.09 | bakarat | just making sure cause i read at some point nokia offered a push service where mail was being routed through nokia servers |
| 17:32.18 | bakarat | (not sure when that was nor what model it referred to) |
| 17:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia could have a database with mail and pop server names and settings for commonly known service providers |
| 17:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | that push is probably nokia-mail |
| 17:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | it's basically a poor idea, as there's no push mail through a NAT, and GPRS frequently is behind a NAT |
| 17:34.25 | ShadowJK | bakarat, if you're using that nokia messaging thing it goes via nokia, and potentially your operator wants money for it |
| 17:34.57 | bakarat | DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK just the default email app on the nokia n900 |
| 17:34.59 | bakarat | not sure which one it is |
| 17:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | so your phone has to send NAT keep alive packets all the time to enable push, which is way worse than polling pop3 ince every 15min |
| 17:35.08 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: uh, bs? |
| 17:35.16 | luke-jr | IMAP IDLE is push, and works fine behind NAT |
| 17:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | or they actually send an SMS to inform you about new mail |
| 17:35.31 | ShadowJK | as long as the NAT doesn't have extremely short expiration of connection tracking |
| 17:35.55 | ShadowJK | has no nat on interwebs |
| 17:36.21 | luke-jr | is finding DD-Wrt's IPv6 support to be broken :/ |
| 17:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | typical session timeout on a NAT is 1..10min |
| 17:36.34 | bakarat | but long story short, the default email app on the nokia n900 is a generic email app right? not the nokia mail thingy? |
| 17:36.35 | luke-jr | QoS too |
| 17:37.01 | ShadowJK | My router has 2 week timeout on nat. Probably why bittorrent is known to make it run out of ram :) |
| 17:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | bakarat: for everything except maybe nokiamail it is |
| 17:37.35 | bakarat | k thanks :) |
| 17:38.50 | ShadowJK | bakarat, so when I pick "New account" in email, it connects to nokia to "check for service availability". Presumably this has something to do with that thing where operators decide whether you can get nokia messaging or not. Then you get the thing where you get to select Service provider. If you pick Nokia Messaging at this point, I imagine it goes via nokia servers |
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| 17:39.24 | bakarat | ShadowJK, ah ok, i'll just stay clear of that then :P |
| 17:41.31 | bakarat | if i set up an exchange account (for my work), is it easy to keep the calendar, contacts and whatever else is synced separate from private calendar, contacts etc? |
| 17:41.41 | backwards_ | thanks for the help doc! :) |
| 17:41.43 | bakarat | (sorry i'm bombarding you guys with questions :P) |
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| 17:44.41 | DocScrutinizer | this "checking for service availability" could also be STUN, or maybe even UPnP to try pinhole the provider NAT. |
| 17:47.12 | DocScrutinizer | Some SMS and security guru around? How does N900 react on those "silent SMS", can you still detect them? |
| 17:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | Is there a convenient way *I* (an underprivileged mortal user) may send such a silent SMS to test that? |
| 17:50.09 | luke-jr | what silent SMS? |
| 17:52.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, thanks, nvm. hushSMS is the answer |
| 17:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.silentservices.de/HushSMS.html |
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| 17:59.01 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: doing anything Tuesday? |
| 17:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 17:59.21 | luke-jr | new year! |
| 17:59.32 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/calendar/month201101.html |
| 17:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 18:01.19 | DocScrutinizer | well, I guess I'll celebrate a much more archaic and ancient habit: winter solstice |
| 18:01.55 | DocScrutinizer | nice side effect: after that I'm done at least with xmas |
| 18:02.33 | luke-jr | http://luke.dashjr.org/education/tonal/keyboard/dvorak-tonal.png :P |
| 18:03.00 | joppu | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/miku-theme/0.9/ |
| 18:03.14 | luke-jr | still getting used to using shift for odd numbers |
| 18:03.37 | Shapeshifter | to hell with busybox!! |
| 18:03.40 | Shapeshifter | ._. |
| 18:03.44 | Shapeshifter | that is all. |
| 18:04.11 | joppu | anyone care to test and vote? |
| 18:04.48 | joppu | because one vote till extras |
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| 18:13.36 | Venemo_N900 | hi guys |
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| 18:16.54 | Venemo_N900 | what's up? |
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| 18:43.35 | _nicolai_ | Hi |
| 18:44.17 | Venemo_N900 | hey _nicolai_ |
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| 18:49.03 | _nicolai_ | is someone working on MohammadAG s qtmediaplayer? |
| 18:49.49 | Venemo_N900 | he just sent me bunch of code that you sent him |
| 18:50.18 | Venemo_N900 | I'll look into it tomorrow |
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| 18:54.42 | _nicolai_ | ah, ok. |
| 18:56.14 | Venemo_N900 | or at least when I have some time |
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| 19:15.36 | internetishard | how much should ram usage be after a fresh restart? |
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| 19:17.09 | Venemo_N900 | internetishard: afaik Linux uses 100% ram. unused ram is wasted ram. |
| 19:17.17 | internetishard | okay |
| 19:17.18 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: correct me if I'm wrong |
| 19:17.26 | internetishard | I'm talking about, for example, what shoes in conky |
| 19:19.00 | Venemo_N900 | I dunno that, I don't have conky |
| 19:19.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | as a rule of thumb, I see ca. 50MB swap used, after booting PR1.2 |
| 19:19.15 | luke-jr | internetishard: Maemo uses a ridiculous amount of memory |
| 19:19.24 | luke-jr | more than KDE even |
| 19:19.27 | internetishard | tell me about it |
| 19:19.28 | internetishard | why? |
| 19:19.31 | luke-jr | it's GTK? |
| 19:19.42 | internetishard | yeah, 55M of swap here after fresh reboot |
| 19:20.48 | DocScrutinizer-8 | a lot of processes aka apps are preloaded during or shortly after boot |
| 19:21.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's basically why so much ram is "used" |
| 19:21.48 | internetishard | If there a more optimal way to manage maemo? |
| 19:21.51 | DocScrutinizer-8 | camera-ui, browserd, even modest, phone-ui |
| 19:22.24 | internetishard | and on fresh reboot, you've 150M RAM, and 55M swap used too? |
| 19:23.04 | DocScrutinizer-8 | internetishard: if you find and can verify a more optimal way that works for most users the best, then don't hesitate to let us know |
| 19:24.17 | internetishard | I don't know what is using the bulk of memory, but I'd guess that using a more dynamic scheme would be more optimal for more people |
| 19:24.40 | internetishard | Sort of like page faulting at different times |
| 19:25.05 | internetishard | I haven't tested meego yet, does it do much better? |
| 19:25.11 | DocScrutinizer-8 | you can set several programs to not preload >effect: more free memory but huge startup delay when invoking one of those that got preloaded to get better latency |
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| 19:25.41 | internetishard | I see... Well I'm mostly concerning with having to restart when the system gets too bogged down |
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| 19:25.55 | internetishard | becoming unresponsive after a few days |
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| 19:26.30 | DocScrutinizer-8 | that's usually caused by memory raping programs |
| 19:26.38 | alterego | Well, we're officially snowed in ... |
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| 19:27.29 | spiritd | why after installing new application there is no icon? |
| 19:27.36 | spiritd | or default blue box |
| 19:27.41 | spiritd | how can i fix it? |
| 19:27.45 | alterego | spiritd: there's a bug in hildon |
| 19:28.02 | alterego | restart the device is the simplest way to get it to work properly. |
| 19:28.08 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer-8, what programs memory rape? Is pidgin one of them? I use that the most |
| 19:28.35 | alterego | internetishard: use top, it'll tell you how much memort your apps use. |
| 19:28.43 | internetishard | http://www.mail-archive.com/otr-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca/msg00045.html any idea when OTR will work again, btw? |
| 19:28.54 | timeless_mbp | cries |
| 19:29.00 | spiritd | alterego y ... i though its better was than restart :/ |
| 19:29.03 | timeless_mbp | Surf's Up was *dubbed* into Finnish |
| 19:29.03 | spiritd | way |
| 19:29.10 | timeless_mbp | Why oh Why oh Why |
| 19:29.13 | DocScrutinizer-8 | internetishard: that's one of the hard to answer questions |
| 19:29.16 | timeless_mbp | kicks finnish television |
| 19:29.30 | alterego | spiritd: the other way, I think, is to touch the icon file and then the .desktop file. |
| 19:29.32 | internetishard | DocScrutinizer-8: what? when OTR will work is? |
| 19:29.43 | alterego | Though, it might be the other way around. |
| 19:29.49 | spiritd | ok |
| 19:32.32 | alterego | Might try and get my dvb stick to work with usb host today |
| 19:34.50 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
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| 19:42.12 | RST38h | Bank of America Cuts Off Wikileaks Transactions |
| 19:42.14 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 19:45.16 | DokterW | Hi. Where is the menu file located? When I make changes to the menu they are not saved. |
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| 20:11.31 | Jaffa | DokterW: /etc/xdg/... and/or also under .local - as per the freedesktop.org menu spec |
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| 20:12.25 | DokterW | Jaffa: Awesome! Thanks! |
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| 20:15.02 | huee | hi |
| 20:15.25 | huee | ouch, bad panel :/ |
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| 20:23.31 | nox- | moin |
| 20:28.30 | alterego | Think my battery is starting to fail, It's about 2/3 full and I just took it off charge about 2.5 hours ago |
| 20:28.43 | alterego | And I've barely used it -_- |
| 20:29.29 | huee | alterego: or some battery-eating daemon? |
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| 20:30.15 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: depends on how heavily you've used it since then |
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| 20:30.32 | alterego | I've taken 4 photos and that's it. |
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| 20:31.00 | alterego | No wifi connection, just 3G and no traffic anyway, well, no apps open. |
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| 20:32.01 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 20:32.14 | Venemo_N900 | well then it's indeed failing |
| 20:32.41 | Venemo_N900 | I also plugged out mine about 2.5 hrs ago and it's also 2/3 now |
| 20:33.12 | huee | and loadavg? |
| 20:33.20 | Venemo_N900 | but I'been on the net, browsed TMO, made replies, emailed, made calls, and reviewed a bunch of stuff on gitorious |
| 20:34.55 | Venemo_N900 | half of this from a train |
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| 20:44.18 | spiritd | ok ... packet injection working using neopwn kernel-power and modules + easy debian |
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| 21:09.08 | alterego | Hrm, how long does it take a package to promote from testing to exras once it has 10 votes. |
| 21:09.34 | alterego | I can't remember itms been a while since I did this last. |
| 21:09.54 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: X-Fade should know |
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| 21:10.23 | alterego | I'll wait, until the week |
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| 21:37.11 | MohammadAG | _nicolai_, thanks :D |
| 21:37.32 | MohammadAG | Haven't been able to reply to the email, I fell asleep :P |
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| 21:46.07 | _nicolai_ | no problem, I wasn't sure if was the right email address |
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| 22:30.51 | alterego | I hate how appman can't even load fscking catalog 1 in 5 times -_- |
| 22:31.12 | MohammadAG | use fapman |
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| 22:32.09 | alterego | pfft |
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| 22:32.37 | spiritd | is it possible to run multiple tabs in easy debian? |
| 22:32.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, go hardcore and use apt-get |
| 22:33.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, and if you feel that's not hardcore enough, unpack files manually and write changes to dpkg's status area |
| 22:33.33 | GasCan | spiritd: Desktop's you mean? |
| 22:33.50 | alterego | heh |
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| 22:34.12 | Pradeep | hello |
| 22:34.30 | Pradeep | everyone am new to maemo |
| 22:34.41 | Pradeep | just got my n900 |
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| 22:36.12 | Pradeep | is it possible to connect my phone to my LAN network via usb |
| 22:37.27 | alterego | it is with a bit of iptables |
| 22:37.38 | alterego | Or bridging network interfaces. |
| 22:38.02 | Pradeep | hw? cos i use kubuntu |
| 22:38.20 | Pradeep | besides i dont hv any wireless network around |
| 22:41.29 | alterego | No, no hw |
| 22:41.39 | alterego | It's pretty easy. |
| 22:42.32 | alterego | I'd recommend the bridging approach, one command to link two network interfaces together. |
| 22:43.44 | alterego | You'll need to install bridge-utils under kubuntu and the research brctl |
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| 22:43.54 | alterego | s/the/then |
| 22:44.28 | spiritd | GasCan nope ... i mean tabs in terminal |
| 22:45.15 | spiritd | Pradeep you can use sample scripts from openvpn sources |
| 22:45.21 | spiritd | ...for bridging |
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| 22:50.45 | Pradeep | hmmm is dere any tutorial aside d one on maemo site |
| 22:50.52 | Pradeep | hmmm is dere any tutorial aside d one o |
| 22:50.55 | alterego | For what? |
| 22:51.09 | Pradeep | for usb networking |
| 22:51.24 | Pradeep | cos i dont hv wireless around me |
| 22:53.22 | Pradeep | spiritd what do u mean |
| 22:53.31 | alterego | What exactly are you trying to do? |
| 22:53.47 | Pradeep | ok nw |
| 22:54.01 | spiritd | i just heard something about bridging... and i know nice script for creating bridge from 2 and more adapters |
| 22:54.08 | spiritd | network adapter |
| 22:54.09 | Pradeep | i got the phone i want to run updates |
| 22:54.29 | Pradeep | but i dont have wireless networks around me |
| 22:54.31 | alterego | Okay, and you want to run the updates through you home LAN |
| 22:54.38 | alterego | Fair enough |
| 22:54.55 | korhojoa | why not just get pr1.3 and flash it |
| 22:55.05 | BCMM | that's dependant on the OS the computer runs |
| 22:55.08 | korhojoa | suddenly, update |
| 22:55.15 | Pradeep | nw i want to know if i could connect via my usb to m laptop which connected to d network |
| 22:55.15 | alterego | kubuntu, he said. |
| 22:55.26 | alterego | Pradeep: you can |
| 22:55.43 | BCMM | Pradeep: yes, kubuntu does USB networking, and so does the n900 |
| 22:55.59 | alterego | Unfortunately the easy way I don't know how to do under kubuntu, only ubuntu using the network manager. |
| 22:56.07 | Pradeep | so hw do i go about it |
| 22:56.22 | BCMM | imho, the easy way would be to run dnsmasq on the pc, but then again i'm probably weird |
| 22:56.22 | alterego | You need to become root on yhe N900 |
| 22:56.40 | BCMM | alterego: without a network connection to install rootsh with? |
| 22:56.50 | alterego | shrugs :) |
| 22:56.57 | Pradeep | don that i installed rootsh |
| 22:57.06 | Pradeep | which enabled that |
| 22:57.07 | alterego | Okay, become root |
| 22:57.17 | alterego | plug N900 in to your computer |
| 22:57.24 | Pradeep | ok |
| 22:57.30 | alterego | select pc suite mode |
| 22:57.32 | BCMM | the hard way is to just set up the IP address, dns server, and route manually |
| 22:58.05 | alterego | on the n900, as root, type: ifup usb0 |
| 22:58.16 | Pradeep | dere is default ip of 192.168.2.15 |
| 22:59.12 | Pradeep | but my network is 192.168.0.0/24 |
| 22:59.23 | Pradeep | so |
| 22:59.38 | alterego | Now, on your kubuntu machine use network manager to edit the usb network interface that now shows |
| 23:00.01 | alterego | Under IPv4 settings, change DHCP to "share this computers internet connection" |
| 23:00.44 | Pradeep | u mean my mobilebroadband |
| 23:00.55 | Pradeep | cos i cant see any usb |
| 23:01.19 | alterego | No, |
| 23:01.28 | alterego | Well, it should be there |
| 23:01.45 | alterego | But I guess this is what you get when you use kubuntu over ubuntu |
| 23:01.59 | Pradeep | i can c wired, wireless, mobile broadband,vpn and dsl |
| 23:02.27 | alterego | It's under wired |
| 23:03.17 | alterego | "auto usb" under wired connections . |
| 23:03.33 | Pradeep | ok |
| 23:04.39 | Pradeep | stil here |
| 23:04.41 | alterego | Hrm, can't remember the dhcp command .. |
| 23:05.02 | Pradeep | u mean using iptables |
| 23:05.06 | Pradeep | ? |
| 23:05.19 | alterego | No |
| 23:06.30 | alterego | Ah, right, now on the N900 as root run udhcpc usb0 |
| 23:06.42 | alterego | And try to ping something |
| 23:06.53 | alterego | like www.google.co.uk for instance |
| 23:07.16 | alterego | I can't test this setup, it's all hypothetical. But it should work :) |
| 23:07.45 | Pradeep | ok |
| 23:07.54 | Pradeep | i would try it out |
| 23:08.06 | Pradeep | are you always in here |
| 23:08.08 | Pradeep | huh |
| 23:08.40 | alterego | yup |
| 23:08.55 | alterego | It should work fine :) |
| 23:09.11 | Pradeep | ok |
| 23:09.12 | alterego | Actually I can test it, hang on. |
| 23:09.21 | Pradeep | any tips for me |
| 23:09.28 | Pradeep | i mean apps n all |
| 23:09.51 | Pradeep | was something called h-e-n |
| 23:09.59 | Pradeep | a usb app |
| 23:10.14 | Pradeep | but did not see it in d repo |
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| 23:15.02 | alterego | udhcpc -i usb0 actually |
| 23:15.10 | alterego | And I can confirm it works. |
| 23:15.33 | alterego | I'm tethered to my netbook, which is connected to the internet through my N900. |
| 23:16.12 | Pradeep | wow just nw |
| 23:16.25 | Pradeep | no other settings at all |
| 23:16.56 | alterego | I then setup USB networking as I just described. And now the N900 is using the internet through my netbook, which is using the internet through the N900s modem. |
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| 23:17.06 | alterego | But basically, yeah, that's all you need |
| 23:17.52 | alterego | setup 'shared connection' instead of dhcp under auto usb on k/ubuntu network manager, the udhcpc -i usb0 as root on the N900 |
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| 23:18.23 | alterego | Make sure the N900 isn't connected via 3G or wifi with its' own network settings and you're set |
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| 23:18.43 | alterego | I should document a little howto on the meego wiki for this actually, quite a neat setup. |
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| 23:19.20 | jacekowski | alterego: that configuration has issues |
| 23:19.57 | jacekowski | alterego: if somebody has like a cable internet where modem is directly plugged in into pc and you have wan ip directly on your ethernet interface |
| 23:21.08 | alterego | ? |
| 23:21.20 | jacekowski | shared connection |
| 23:21.34 | jacekowski | it will just bridge eth with usb |
| 23:21.45 | alterego | yeah |
| 23:21.56 | alterego | And? |
| 23:21.58 | jacekowski | and that will fail if you have cable internet |
| 23:22.12 | jacekowski | because isp will just issue ip address to one specific mac |
| 23:22.15 | alterego | It uses nat doesn't it? |
| 23:22.24 | jacekowski | no |
| 23:22.30 | alterego | I thought ubuntu used NAT .. |
| 23:22.38 | jacekowski | depends |
| 23:22.38 | alterego | Interesting |
| 23:22.45 | jacekowski | there are two options |
| 23:22.48 | jacekowski | one will bridge |
| 23:22.50 | jacekowski | one will nat |
| 23:22.51 | alterego | Well, good to know. |
| 23:23.07 | alterego | Does it choose at runtime? |
| 23:23.13 | jacekowski | no |
| 23:23.20 | alterego | Because I told him a specific option :P |
| 23:23.46 | alterego | Which I thought uses nat and puts everything through it's own private subnet |
| 23:23.57 | jacekowski | in 9.10 i kde version of network manager there were two options |
| 23:23.59 | Pradeep | i wish i was on my desk in the office |
| 23:24.17 | alterego | Hrm, okay |
| 23:24.18 | jacekowski | i never used gnome |
| 23:24.21 | Pradeep | atm am using gprs on the fone |
| 23:24.30 | jacekowski | but i suppose gnome by now should have copied that from kde |
| 23:24.36 | Pradeep | and it so expensive |
| 23:24.45 | jacekowski | Pradeep: we have it for free |
| 23:24.54 | alterego | Well, under ubuntu gnome I think there's just one and its' definitely setting up a private subnet and using nat |
| 23:24.58 | Pradeep | serious |
| 23:25.25 | jacekowski | ahh |
| 23:25.26 | jacekowski | nigeria |
| 23:25.33 | Pradeep | i just suscribe for only 10mb |
| 23:25.44 | jacekowski | i'm surprised that you have gsm there at all |
| 23:26.00 | Pradeep | cant open html unless everything wud finish |
| 23:26.03 | Pradeep | lol |
| 23:26.20 | Pradeep | lol |
| 23:26.29 | Pradeep | why |
| 23:26.47 | Pradeep | mtn, glo, airtel, etisalat |
| 23:27.01 | jacekowski | i'm not going to say because that would probably get me banned |
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| 23:28.34 | jacekowski | my laptop got stolen in nigeria |
| 23:28.56 | Pradeep | sorry abt that |
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| 23:33.23 | Pradeep | excuse me what does overclocking do to your n900 ? |
| 23:33.27 | doc|home | did you steal his laptop? |
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| 23:33.40 | BCMM | Pradeep: makes the CPU go faster and burn out sooner |
| 23:33.49 | jacekowski | ~overclocking |
| 23:33.49 | infobot | "OK, listen up. This is your CPU." apt drops the CPU into a hot frying pan. "This is your CPU on overclocking. Any questions?" |
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| 23:36.46 | comawhite | lol |
| 23:37.25 | comawhite | drops luke-jr in the frying pan "This is your brain on Windows. Any questions?" |
| 23:37.40 | comawhite | :P |
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| 23:40.08 | blackthorne | Hi |
| 23:40.14 | comawhite | Hallo |
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