| 00:00.07 | comawhite | I got the next phone isn't debian based =[ |
| 00:00.18 | comawhite | I hate messing with debian |
| 00:04.32 | jacekowski | emm, |
| 00:04.36 | jacekowski | debian based phone? |
| 00:05.05 | comawhite | yeah the apt-get etc (debian/ubuntu/w/e) |
| 00:05.17 | wmarone | you don't like apt? |
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| 00:05.23 | comawhite | hell no |
| 00:05.36 | jacekowski | well, because something is using apt that doesn't mean it's debian based |
| 00:05.48 | comawhite | that's why i don't use the desktop ubuntu/debian based distros |
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| 00:27.06 | mmarc__ | hey guys, do you know who's the author of the original n900 ringtones? Just I'm very impressed with this music. |
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| 00:35.19 | Justus | hi |
| 00:35.34 | Justus | is it possible to flip the screen of my n900 both vertically/horizontally? |
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| 00:38.50 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/sqXWT.png |
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| 01:09.36 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/qQWHY.jpg |
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| 01:37.03 | FauxFaux | Oh dee, I didn't realise that usb hostmode was in the powah kernel. |
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| 02:11.25 | pupnik | i find it really shitty that Obama thinks he can kill people like me |
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| 02:12.55 | pupnik | if Obama says that, then i have to defend myself |
| 02:13.44 | chx | says what |
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| 02:22.10 | jpinx-eeepc | when I start a mv job over ssh can I ctrl Z it and then bring it up again in a terminal on the local device (n900)? |
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| 02:26.50 | chx | use screen for that |
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| 02:42.49 | pupnik | obama has called for killing of american citizens without trial |
| 02:47.39 | johnx | pupnik, woo! |
| 02:47.50 | johnx | sounds fun |
| 02:48.11 | johnx | pupnik, uhm, don't crosspost off-topic stuff |
| 02:49.07 | pupnik | "In late January, I wrote about the Obama administration's "presidential assassination program," whereby American citizens are targeted for killings far away from any battlefield, based exclusively on unchecked accusations by the Executive Branch that they're involved in Terrorism. " http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations |
| 02:49.18 | johnx | pupnik, stop that |
| 02:50.53 | SpeedEvil | calls for the killing of pupnik. |
| 02:51.22 | pupnik | you can get my address |
| 02:51.31 | pupnik | i'll give you a beer and we can chat |
| 02:51.58 | pupnik | genocidal fucks do not have a place in a free software culture |
| 02:52.39 | SpeedEvil | Sure they do. |
| 02:52.44 | pupnik | and over 1 million iraqis were killed while we were playing with software |
| 02:52.53 | SpeedEvil | Some have come damn near to calling for a fatwa against microsoft. |
| 02:53.00 | pupnik | sieg heil SpeedEvil |
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| 02:53.45 | pupnik | you pick your side |
| 02:54.17 | SpeedEvil | I try to avoid picking sides. |
| 02:54.23 | SpeedEvil | I hate everyone equally. |
| 02:54.44 | pupnik | don't aggress and we'll be fine |
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| 02:55.44 | Termana | good morning |
| 02:55.48 | SpeedEvil | Motning |
| 02:55.52 | pupnik | the USA which has genocided over a million people |
| 02:56.02 | pupnik | recently |
| 02:56.11 | SpeedEvil | That's disgusting. |
| 02:56.21 | SpeedEvil | You can't use the word genocided like that. |
| 02:56.29 | pupnik | facts are facts |
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| 02:56.58 | lolcat | I am in a reboot loop againg |
| 02:57.01 | SpeedEvil | And grammar is grammar. |
| 02:57.11 | Termana | SpeedEvil, Looks like I came just in time to join the tin foil hat party |
| 02:57.12 | SpeedEvil | What did you do? |
| 02:57.15 | lolcat | Apparently not |
| 02:57.17 | pupnik | and the dead are dead |
| 02:57.31 | lolcat | My battery is a bit bad |
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| 02:58.19 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: I would recommend taking the battery out, and then putting it back in, then charging from the wall charger |
| 02:58.32 | SpeedEvil | That's fixed it when stuff has gone wierd for me |
| 02:58.50 | lolcat | I gave my wall charger to my girlfriend |
| 02:59.55 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - I'm asleep at the moment and have no constructive suggestions. |
| 02:59.57 | SpeedEvil | Night all. |
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| 05:33.00 | iluminator101 | I am looking for a simple timer for n900? |
| 05:33.24 | johnx | iluminator101, like a stop watch? |
| 05:33.29 | iluminator101 | yea |
| 05:33.36 | johnx | search for stop watch |
| 05:33.37 | johnx | works great |
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| 05:35.33 | iluminator101 | thanks Johnx |
| 05:35.56 | iluminator101 | i am looking for digital compass on n900 if there is such an app simple compass |
| 05:36.17 | SpeedEvil | There is no hardware |
| 05:36.32 | iluminator101 | bumper what hardware are we talking about? |
| 05:36.36 | SpeedEvil | Well - at least stock - I plan to add one - but... |
| 05:36.41 | ds3 | did the people who were thinking of doing one with the microSD give up? |
| 05:36.41 | SpeedEvil | Tehre is no digital compass. |
| 05:37.29 | SpeedEvil | ds3: I was idly wondering about that - the problem is that the microSD is ~1mm thick. Digital compass chips are - though they are about the right size - 1.5mm thick. This leads to a packaging problem. |
| 05:37.54 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: *nod* I think the idea of a thick spot sticking out was also rejected |
| 05:37.58 | SpeedEvil | ds3: So I'm just planning on soldering one on to a convenient I2C bus |
| 05:38.07 | SpeedEvil | ds3: yeah - it doesn't work well. :/ |
| 05:38.38 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: is there a convienient I2C bus exposed? |
| 05:38.54 | SpeedEvil | ds3: If you sank ~50K into it to get bare dies and the moulding, then it'd be easy. |
| 05:39.06 | SpeedEvil | ds3: Yes - several internally |
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| 05:39.12 | SpeedEvil | But it's a dissasembly job |
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| 05:39.21 | ds3 | hence the 'exposed' qualification |
| 05:39.57 | ds3 | what's a reasonable price single chip compass that will run at 1.8V? |
| 05:40.08 | ds3 | or does such a beast not exists :) |
| 05:41.29 | SpeedEvil | http://www.st.com/internet/analog/product/250145.jsp |
| 05:44.38 | ds3 | $15 each and no one has stock :( |
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| 05:47.27 | iluminator101 | is there like restaurant finder app for n900? |
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| 05:53.45 | luke-jr | iluminator101: what I do is open AGPS, copy coordinates to Google Maps, then search nearby for stuff |
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| 05:56.11 | chx | iluminator101: Maemo-Geolocation ? |
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| 05:59.10 | johnx | luke-jr, you don't just let microb use your gps chip? |
| 05:59.30 | luke-jr | johnx: shrug. let it or not, it doesn't use it :P |
| 05:59.42 | johnx | luke-jr, you're doing it wrong :) |
| 06:00.03 | johnx | also, the android/iphone version of the google maps web page works great in microb |
| 06:00.15 | johnx | (except no real way to zoom out ... ) |
| 06:00.18 | luke-jr | what exactly am I doing wrong? |
| 06:00.37 | johnx | not installing the plugin for microb that lets it access the GPS |
| 06:00.51 | johnx | then not using the iphone version of google maps website |
| 06:01.01 | iluminator101 | what about a next flight app? |
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| 06:08.07 | Corsac | woouh, an angry bird update |
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| 06:51.52 | Termana | Is it just me or is it when you're asked to write something about global warming and provide an argument about it, the questions will always have bias to an argument of global warming actually being a problem? :p |
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| 07:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: it's absolutely irrelevant if there's really man made global warming. Almost as irrelevant as the question how many cases of cancer casualties a high air fission bomb test will cause. We simply should stay away from the actual test and try to stay on safe side of fence |
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| 07:30.37 | Dan101 | hello |
| 07:30.54 | pronto | jell-o? |
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| 07:31.25 | Dan101 | :) |
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| 07:40.39 | rute | i've been looking at several 'top 10 must have apps for the nokia n900' and i keep seeing a game called 'bounce evolution' but i don't see it in the downloads. how do i get it? |
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| 07:47.39 | Termana | rute, it's free in the Ovi Store |
| 07:48.27 | rute | ty |
| 07:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: <SpeedEvil>Nokia-N900-02-8:/usr/lib# ls -l *FLAC* |
| 07:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: you know this doesn't really mean much, as you *could* have a non-maemo-mohammadesque system where /usr is actually a mounted volume? :-D |
| 07:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: though I agree the error pattern descriped involved a symlink to /opt afaik |
| 07:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | discribed* |
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| 07:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | however such a symlink is semi-sane as per FHS /usr is *supposed* to be a separate volume mounted late in bootup by itself, so if it actually isn't then there's nothing wrong with symlinking particular files in it to such a separately mounted volume. Apparently some dudes here refuse to get the catch of that |
| 07:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | again, read |
| 07:57.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 07:57.39 | infobot | methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 07:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | all the references therein, if you're one of that dudes |
| 07:58.29 | DocScrutinizer | ESPECIALLY the refs to http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html |
| 07:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | don't start discussions about system configuration if you never heard or refused to learn about FHS |
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| 08:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: there's clearly a right way to deal with system configuration and a wrong way. The right way is to follow FHS, the wrong way is to look at your actual system and take assumptions. E.G. lcuk when developting parts of optifcation followed the FHS paradigms as much as he was possible to do. Some dudes at Nokia, and also the criminal individual placing libFLAC into /usr/lib while this lib is needed early in boot did NOT follow the |
| 08:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | sane path. This will lead to effects that made you look like your avatar :-D |
| 08:06.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~mohammadag |
| 08:06.47 | infobot | rumour has it, mohammadag is your father |
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| 08:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | s/possible/allowed |
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| 08:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 08:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls -l ~root/ |
| 08:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | insgesamt 268 |
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| 08:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@ |
| 08:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@=+@=+@=+@ |
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| 08:34.04 | RST38h | Well. Morning. |
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| 08:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | moo RST38h |
| 08:36.02 | RST38h | 9 days uptime. Rebooooooot. |
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| 08:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: any idea what went wrong there: -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 0 2010-12-04 02:49 +@=+@=+@=+@ |
| 08:36.26 | RST38h | It does appear to help to keep commonly used apps open and running though. |
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| 08:36.56 | RST38h | Doc: Looks like somebody did "touch <weird utf8 name>" |
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| 08:37.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaah UTF8, thanks |
| 08:37.17 | RST38h | I may be wrong though |
| 08:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, quite possible |
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| 08:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | one of my beloved `cat|netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234` might have contained crap plus a ^D |
| 08:39.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 08:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | should change my habits to `netcat paste.dyndns.org 1234 <<"this-is-never-happening-is-it?" |
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| 09:20.25 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... can anyone tell me what's wrong with this?: "class Window: public QObject, public KDecorationBridgeUnstable {" error: expected class-name before { token |
| 09:21.59 | DocScrutinizer-8 | muhaha pissly errr pizzly bear |
| 09:22.56 | RST38h | Robbie: there is some shit in that line |
| 09:23.14 | RST38h | "Window" is probably taken |
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| 09:24.22 | DocScrutinizer-8 | yeah, reserved word or already used |
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| 09:29.13 | RobbieThe1st | huh |
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| 09:35.02 | RST38h | Robbie: X11 uses "Window" for window handles. |
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| 09:37.53 | RobbieThe1st | I'm trying to compile Compiz herre |
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| 09:38.46 | RobbieThe1st | And I'm guessing someone made a mistake in the 0.9.2 version - kde_window_decorator ends up throwing that error |
| 09:38.55 | RobbieThe1st | And I don't think I know enough CPP to fix it |
| 09:39.59 | chx | you want to run compiz on the n900? |
| 09:40.14 | chx | i want to see that |
| 09:40.23 | RobbieThe1st | Nah; on my Debian desktop |
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| 09:40.53 | RobbieThe1st | I was -hoping- to get the 0.9 version running, but... |
| 09:41.41 | chx | you got my hopes up for a second :) |
| 09:43.01 | RobbieThe1st | That -would- be cool, wouldn't it... |
| 09:43.36 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, it might be possible later on; Wasn't one of the goals of the Compiz re-write to use OpenGL-ES functions only? |
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| 10:22.42 | lardman | morning |
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| 10:28.31 | derf | lardman: Moo. |
| 10:28.41 | lardman | hi derf |
| 10:29.11 | lardman | well I eventually got annoyed with QLists and added my params to the objects themselves |
| 10:29.24 | derf | :) |
| 10:29.41 | lardman | and the code is much simpler tbh, but I'm trying to track down a segfault :( |
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| 10:30.02 | lardman | though that's better than the random QList changes values of ints problem I was having befoerhand |
| 10:30.10 | derf | valgrind is your friend. |
| 10:31.05 | lardman | gdb wasn't working very well |
| 10:31.10 | lardman | I'll give valgrind a go |
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| 10:32.38 | ieatlint | valgrind is by far the best tool for segfaults... tells you exactly where it occurred and why |
| 10:32.55 | lardman | cool |
| 10:33.30 | lardman | hmm, started snowing here again |
| 10:33.40 | ieatlint | also great for memory leaks... |
| 10:33.51 | lardman | one thing at a time! ;) |
| 10:34.49 | ieatlint | it's ok, memory leaks aren't important anyway |
| 10:34.52 | ieatlint | :P |
| 10:35.31 | alterego | Heh |
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| 10:36.13 | alterego | anyone fancy voting for me package? |
| 10:36.28 | ieatlint | which package? |
| 10:36.32 | alterego | Need four more and tmo is crap |
| 10:36.37 | alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ |
| 10:38.18 | ieatlint | well, i'd be happy to test it, but both of the xbox360s i own are dead after about a month |
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| 10:39.02 | alterego | Heh, well, it has been tested :P |
| 10:39.09 | alterego | Just vote :) |
| 10:39.17 | ieatlint | done :P |
| 10:39.35 | alterego | thanks ^.^ |
| 10:39.39 | ieatlint | i need to start threatening to mail people dongles in order for more people to be able to test my app, heh |
| 10:40.22 | alterego | What app is that? |
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| 10:40.36 | alterego | I have more dongles than chuck norris |
| 10:40.44 | ieatlint | http://maemo.org/packages/view/magread/ |
| 10:40.55 | ieatlint | i don't think chuck norris has this dongle |
| 10:41.01 | ieatlint | so that's a good sign |
| 10:41.29 | alterego | Just say "vote for my app" with this pic: http://images0.cpcache.com/nocache/product/343434130v2147483647_480x480_Front.jpg |
| 10:41.43 | ieatlint | hah |
| 10:42.26 | ieatlint | yeah, but i figure i can also find a handful of trusting souls who would give me an address to mail said dongle to... aside from having actual people testing it, it'd be nice to actually get some basic feedback |
| 10:42.36 | alterego | neat app :) |
| 10:42.42 | alterego | niche, but neat :D |
| 10:42.44 | ieatlint | presently only one other person has an n900 and the dongle |
| 10:42.59 | alterego | Hah, crazy. |
| 10:43.34 | ieatlint | also is straight qt, so the code works on symbian, linux, windows, os x.. |
| 10:43.43 | alterego | Nice |
| 10:43.46 | ieatlint | it's like java, but somewhat less crappy |
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| 10:45.16 | alterego | :( yeah, that app you just voted was Qt/C++ and QML |
| 10:45.29 | alterego | That was supposed to be a smilie face .. |
| 10:45.32 | alterego | :) |
| 10:45.44 | alterego | How much are the dongles? |
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| 10:46.02 | ieatlint | "free" |
| 10:46.03 | alterego | And do you have a link to some known to work hardware? |
| 10:46.50 | ieatlint | i need to take some pics and a video so it isn't just a crappy description, heh |
| 10:47.00 | ieatlint | http://www.apple-iphone.net/wp-content/plugins/wp-o-matic/cache/9549f_image_1-642x481.jpg is someone else's pic of the dongle |
| 10:47.02 | alterego | So, it's a unit that plugs into headphone socket mic input presumably? |
| 10:47.31 | ieatlint | http://www.screentweet.com/content/pipe/?igcid=WPNqRoB;relPath=null;fileName=tn_full.jpg is slightly better pic |
| 10:47.32 | alterego | That is cool |
| 10:47.37 | ieatlint | and yes, that's exactly it |
| 10:47.41 | ieatlint | audio input |
| 10:48.00 | alterego | I didn't even know hey existed, can I make one out of an old tape deck? :D |
| 10:48.04 | lardman | ieatlint: you wanted pdf417 didn't you? |
| 10:48.05 | ieatlint | the dongle has an old cassette tape style head in it, and runs against the magnetic stripe |
| 10:48.10 | ieatlint | lardman: yeah |
| 10:48.14 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:48.26 | alterego | Awesome. |
| 10:48.27 | ieatlint | i played with zbar a bit, but indeded the pdf417 code is not done |
| 10:48.36 | lardman | I volunteered to take a look at that in zbar, we'll see how I get on |
| 10:48.55 | lardman | alternatively there are some other standalone decoders out there |
| 10:48.58 | ieatlint | alterego: you can make your own, there are instructions online... was in a 2600 article a few years back even |
| 10:49.13 | alterego | Which track/s can it read, it's my undedrstanding there are three? |
| 10:49.34 | ieatlint | you need the tape head, the audio pole connector, and a resistor to prevent any feedback from the mic line going to the read head and erasing the card |
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| 10:50.44 | alterego | Hahah |
| 10:50.45 | ieatlint | lardman: yeah, i looked at 2... one worked, but only in ideal conditions. i was tempted to give it a real look at on zbar, but ultimately determined that i likely would not have the time to learn the zbar code and how pdf417 works and then successfully implement it |
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| 10:51.12 | ieatlint | alterego: the company that makes the pictured dongles is called squareup, and they use it as part of a mobile credit card payment system |
| 10:51.14 | lardman | ieatlint: I'll let you know how I get on |
| 10:51.19 | alterego | Well, I might make one if I have time, but you can send me one if you like :D |
| 10:51.28 | ieatlint | they hand out the dongles when you sign up for an account... i have friends who work there who feed me handfuls of dongles, haha |
| 10:51.33 | ieatlint | lardman: awesome |
| 10:51.56 | alterego | Wicked |
| 10:52.18 | ieatlint | alterego: i sent luke-jr one... and he's presumably not been attacked or anything by me.. you can totally trust me |
| 10:52.33 | alterego | :) |
| 10:52.47 | alterego | I'll PM you my address if you like |
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| 10:52.53 | ieatlint | email is better |
| 10:53.00 | ieatlint | ieatlint@tehinterweb.com |
| 10:53.15 | alterego | Okay, angon |
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| 10:53.58 | ieatlint | oh, and the dongle i can provide is track 2 only... most cards contain two or three tracks (parallel lines of different data). track 2 is numeric only data, so on a credit card it would be the card number and expiration date |
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| 10:55.16 | alterego | send |
| 10:55.34 | alterego | sent ... |
| 10:56.15 | ieatlint | ok, i'll try to get it out fri or sat.. |
| 10:56.26 | alterego | Cool, so this sqauredup offer a payment service for using these dongles on mobile devices? |
| 10:56.42 | ieatlint | yeah, US only right now |
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| 10:57.01 | alterego | That, is truely awesome. |
| 10:57.07 | ieatlint | but on android and iphone, it's an app.. you plug in dongle, type in the amount to charge, slide the card |
| 10:57.09 | alterego | Oh, I'm in the UK btw |
| 10:57.14 | ieatlint | yeah, that's fine |
| 10:57.26 | alterego | Cool |
| 10:57.57 | ieatlint | since you slide the card, you pay the lower transaction rate for a slid card instead of a typed card, and it provides geolocation data for "security" which the customer then can see in their emailed-receipt |
| 10:58.00 | alterego | damn, my hands are freezing, better make some breakfast and havde a shower |
| 10:58.05 | ieatlint | it's a fucking cool idea |
| 10:58.18 | alterego | Yeah, that's awsome. |
| 10:58.34 | ieatlint | but it's run by an idiot :P |
| 10:58.42 | ieatlint | co-founder of twitter, heh |
| 10:59.21 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:02.55 | alterego | mslib sounds a bit gatesish :) |
| 11:03.33 | alterego | Anyhow, I better get on bbiab |
| 11:03.53 | ieatlint | hah :P |
| 11:03.57 | ieatlint | i'll await my c&d |
| 11:08.03 | crashanddie | ieatlint, waiting for me? |
| 11:08.38 | ieatlint | are you my c&d, baby? ;) |
| 11:08.51 | crashanddie | well... that's what the nickname says |
| 11:10.41 | ieatlint | ok, i have a week left to get xmas presents, this isn't good |
| 11:17.32 | chem|st | ieatlint: if you get some more spare I would be interested in one or two, we are a bunch of n900s people over here all kind of developers (kind of as in not only or not for n900) |
| 11:18.02 | chem|st | ieatlint: we are still trying to figure our door locks... |
| 11:18.13 | ieatlint | let me count how many i have on hand right now |
| 11:18.36 | ieatlint | well, i can say that hotel keys are typically not compatible with these dongles |
| 11:18.47 | chem|st | ieatlint: no hurry on that, have you got a link handy for the dongle? |
| 11:19.18 | ieatlint | take a look at your door key card and compare it to a credit card. if the distance between the edge of the card and start of the stripe differs, it almost certainly will not work |
| 11:19.22 | BCMM | this is a dongle that reads magstrips, right? |
| 11:19.30 | ieatlint | yes |
| 11:19.41 | BCMM | i thought some hotel keycards were to a similar spec to credit cards |
| 11:20.00 | chem|st | ieatlint: no the door locks we are looking at are transponder based, we sniff transmissions with soundcards and try to figure out the what happens when and how to reverse engineer |
| 11:20.09 | chem|st | BCMM: or rfid |
| 11:20.16 | BCMM | since i had heard reports that somebody had been busted with a large number of hotel keycards, as a way of hiding cloned CCs |
| 11:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I'd like to give these dongles a try :-D |
| 11:20.29 | ieatlint | i've tried a few hotel key cards from vegas... the magstripes on them were aligned differently |
| 11:20.50 | ieatlint | and even if i could get it to align, it likely doesn't follow either of the two industry standard encoding schemes |
| 11:21.01 | chem|st | ieatlint: you now got it runnin' for good, and testers for your app if shipped ;) |
| 11:21.16 | ieatlint | ... my decoding library would decode it to bits accurately, but not to readable chars unless it follows one of the two supported encoding schemes |
| 11:21.25 | Psi | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:21.32 | Psi | you can load levels that dont exist |
| 11:21.32 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: ok, let me see how many i got here |
| 11:21.48 | ieatlint | i'll ask my friends at square for another handful though, heh |
| 11:22.10 | chem|st | ieatlint: just tell me when you got say 2 for me and I paypal you the shipping fee the day you know |
| 11:23.09 | ieatlint | i'm not anticipating shipping costs to be too much... they're very light and small |
| 11:24.19 | chem|st | ieatlint: lets say to germany you could do a collective shipping and I distribute to the fellows |
| 11:24.36 | chem|st | ieatlint: it is at least some $ |
| 11:24.46 | ieatlint | yeah, might not be the worst idea |
| 11:24.51 | ieatlint | i have 4 on me now |
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| 11:25.28 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: have you been online back in the days ppl used to send harddrives around the globe instead of uploading stuff?! |
| 11:26.15 | ieatlint | http://www.google.com/images?q=square+dongle is the dongle i can give out... it's revision 2 (white, and the gold/yellow pole one that doesn't have the rounded edges) |
| 11:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: ooh, the stopped doing that? |
| 11:27.41 | DocScrutinizer | they* |
| 11:27.50 | ieatlint | i'll talk to a friend at the company and see how many she can hand off to me |
| 11:28.23 | ieatlint | i can probably ship anywhere from 5-10 out |
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| 11:29.17 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: actualy no we didn't... only the carriage changed... 2TB nas to s/o at university (me)... or the TB disc itself... |
| 11:30.25 | ieatlint | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you ever talked to laf0rge aka Harald Welte about rfid access control systems? |
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| 11:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | I recall he told me some funny details about his investigations regarding this topic, when we met in Taipei |
| 11:31.35 | chem|st | welte... the name sounds familiar |
| 11:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | google |
| 11:31.55 | Psi | rfid has access control ? hm.. who knew :P |
| 11:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | nah, access control has rfid |
| 11:32.19 | Psi | hehe |
| 11:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen laf0rge |
| 11:32.52 | infobot | laf0rge <n=laforge@sunbeam.ipv6.gnumonks.org> was last seen on IRC in channel #webos-internals, 408d 10h 10m 54s ago, saying: 'laf0rge sends a 'korean wave' back to rwhitby ;)'. |
| 11:33.10 | Psi | haha, 408 days |
| 11:33.30 | Psi | he cant join now, it will ruin his downtime |
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| 11:40.49 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: we were looking at http://www.wagner-sicherheit.de/shop/images/artikel/16939.jpg |
| 11:43.04 | chem|st | and as they are cheap we tried to melt down the 1st chip layer to get the challenge response algorythm, but stopped at some point where my ceo got notice of me using company resources for it (working at a thinfilm and surface analytics lab) |
| 11:43.53 | Psi | heh |
| 11:44.09 | chem|st | the procedures to dissect the chip are quiet complex |
| 11:44.45 | chem|st | as you do not want to destroy the layer but look through it to see the second |
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| 11:49.08 | mece | what the shit? Is there no standard function for md5 hashing in javascript?? |
| 11:49.53 | mece | ah qt global pobject. yay! |
| 11:50.36 | mece | whew. I was almost a little upset there. :) |
| 11:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: hehe |
| 11:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you know GDR has produced a Z80 chip clone, produced from some 10 or 20 Zilog Z80 smuggled over the iron curtain and got cut into slices and analyzed with an electron microscope :-D |
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| 11:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | they came up with a instruction set datasheet done by RE from chip, that had some "secret" new instructions Zilog never mentioned |
| 11:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | of coursae, as the clone was an exact copy, the datasheet was aplicable to original Zilog chips as well |
| 11:56.20 | alterego | Need two more votes |
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| 11:57.11 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: would you like to vote for my app? :) |
| 11:57.23 | alterego | suspects he knows the answer already |
| 11:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | on my way |
| 11:57.31 | alterego | Yay :) |
| 11:58.40 | Arkenoi | huh? mag stripe reading dongles? where can i get one? i was looking for it for a few weeks but was unable to find one |
| 11:59.50 | lardman | ieatlint: you'll have to start charging soon! ;) |
| 12:00.01 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: errr, which page? I see ONE vote |
| 12:00.14 | alterego | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ |
| 12:00.22 | DocScrutinizer | uhh |
| 12:00.43 | ieatlint | lardman: huh, normally it's the other way around |
| 12:00.49 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I need to test this one prior to voting for it |
| 12:00.59 | alterego | Okay then |
| 12:01.20 | zap | X-Fade: hi! how it's going? :) |
| 12:01.25 | alterego | Tmo thread is a list of all the issues that people have been having |
| 12:01.38 | alterego | Namely one, (the buttons are apparently too small) |
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| 12:02.31 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: would be nice though if you can validate my method of adding/removing lircd config |
| 12:02.44 | alterego | And sudoers |
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| 12:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | k, I could probably have a look at the sources and vote based on that. I guess that's still better than what most "testers" do |
| 12:04.26 | alterego | ;) |
| 12:04.36 | Arkenoi | so is there any source for the dongles? i posted a blog entry asking where can i buy one, there was quite a long discussion and the bottom line was "we do not know, make it yourself" |
| 12:05.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, i voted based on the fact that voting is retarded and only makes promotion slower |
| 12:05.36 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: http://images2.cpcache.com/nocache/product/343170462v2147483647_480x480_Front.jpg |
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| 12:06.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, you owe me a vote |
| 12:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: *COUGH* |
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| 12:07.08 | ieatlint | Arkenoi: i'm not aware of any place that makes the dongles for sale |
| 12:07.31 | BCMM | alterego: you can tell be the extremely questionable choice of typefaces |
| 12:07.32 | alterego | I thought we'd already discussed this, that vote was a favour towards the tonnes of help I give you in regards to Qt and development :P |
| 12:07.35 | BCMM | s/be/by/ |
| 12:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | except ebay I guess :-P |
| 12:07.41 | alterego | Heh |
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| 12:08.26 | ieatlint | alterego: this is the gift to get a web developer: http://www.zazzle.com/css_is_awesome_mug-168716435071981928 |
| 12:08.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, I've yet to the commit I was promixed :P |
| 12:08.39 | MohammadAG | promised* |
| 12:08.57 | alterego | Hah |
| 12:09.05 | alterego | Good point :P |
| 12:09.09 | MohammadAG | also, someone should photoshop that to "Trust me, I use Qt Designer" |
| 12:09.17 | ieatlint | haha |
| 12:09.22 | alterego | Sorry, I've been quite busyp promise I'll look at it tomorrow ;) |
| 12:09.34 | BCMM | nah, "trust me, i'm Qt Designer" |
| 12:09.46 | BCMM | you'd need a font that was both scifi "computer-ish", and creepy |
| 12:09.56 | alterego | ieatlint: page doesn't load for me, just plain white .. |
| 12:10.16 | ieatlint | haha, that's extra win then |
| 12:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | "trust me, I'm DocScrutinizer" HAH, now I know what to write to my wishlist |
| 12:10.41 | ieatlint | http://laughingsquid.com/css-is-awesome/ |
| 12:10.43 | alterego | Hahah |
| 12:10.45 | ieatlint | that should work |
| 12:11.09 | Arkenoi | there should be a source where squareup gets it? i doubt they make it by themselves. |
| 12:11.18 | alterego | Oh, hah, thass good :) |
| 12:11.20 | ieatlint | Arkenoi: they do |
| 12:12.16 | alterego | What ahppened to all the super testers? |
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| 12:13.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, it was a retarded concept, I thought qwerty12's rant already got that point across :P |
| 12:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: Exec=/opt/usr/bin/xbox360-media-remote ?? no way! |
| 12:14.44 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 12:15.02 | alterego | You don't like the path? :P |
| 12:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | you got /opt/usr/bin in your $PATH? |
| 12:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | no? |
| 12:15.28 | alterego | Don't blame me for how Qt creator does packaging ... |
| 12:15.35 | alterego | 's excuse |
| 12:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | then make a symlink from /usr/bin/xboxfoo to /opt/usr/bin/xboxfoo |
| 12:15.59 | alterego | pfft, why? |
| 12:16.00 | ieatlint | so i'll try and get a bunch more dongles and then will try and offer anyone who i recognise in here a dongle if they wish |
| 12:16.12 | alterego | It works as its' intended to work. |
| 12:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | aHA |
| 12:16.50 | DocScrutinizer | k, vote down from me then. Doesn't work when invoked via ssh -X |
| 12:17.06 | alterego | it does when you specify the correct path :P |
| 12:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | the point is I'm not supposed to even know the "correct path" |
| 12:18.01 | alterego | Exactly so don't complain about what you're not meant to know :P |
| 12:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | You asked for it - you get your vote |
| 12:18.30 | DocScrutinizer | thumb-down |
| 12:18.40 | alterego | Fine be like that then |
| 12:18.58 | alterego | You're just being ridiculous :P |
| 12:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | you're just being ignorant and lazy |
| 12:19.46 | alterego | Lazy, possibly, ignorant? that's bullshit |
| 12:19.50 | alterego | I knew the path |
| 12:20.07 | DocScrutinizer | you know a shit about PATH |
| 12:20.23 | alterego | The app doesn't require $PATH |
| 12:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | tzz, see^^^ |
| 12:20.51 | DocScrutinizer | no app is allowed to require $PATH |
| 12:20.54 | alterego | patches welcome for v2 |
| 12:21.01 | DocScrutinizer | $PATH is for *user* |
| 12:21.03 | alterego | I'm not going to chnage it for you |
| 12:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | you're not changing it for ME, you're changing it to show you're not a luser |
| 12:21.59 | alterego | -_- |
| 12:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | who knows a shit about unix |
| 12:22.10 | lardman | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11998793 |
| 12:22.13 | lardman | interesting |
| 12:22.19 | alterego | I'm not changing it because it doesn't matter |
| 12:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | if your app doesn't matter, so why bother about it at all? |
| 12:22.59 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 12:23.28 | alterego | The app is supposed to be run from .desktop, don't like it, deal with it. Would you rather I did what everyone else does and install to some vendor specific dir under opt for every app and added a million items to your $PATH? |
| 12:23.52 | ieatlint | wow.. "Now users of its One Plan tariff can get 2,000 any-network voice minutes, 5,000 Three-to-Three minutes, 5,000 texts and any amount of data for £25 a month." .. that's insanely cheap compared to the prices i pay |
| 12:24.12 | lardman | I've no clue how I could even use 2k minutes a month |
| 12:24.25 | lardman | 5k sms, how...? |
| 12:24.35 | ieatlint | lardman: teenage girls |
| 12:24.44 | MohammadAG | most apps developed with maemo in mind use /opt to launch |
| 12:24.51 | lardman | I should sms teenage girls, yeah I guess that would do it |
| 12:24.54 | lardman | ;) |
| 12:24.59 | BCMM | lardman: use SMS like instant messaging... |
| 12:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: you're more ignorant than I thought |
| 12:25.25 | BCMM | (assuming you first use IM like a teenage girl does) |
| 12:25.40 | alterego | m'hmm |
| 12:25.40 | ieatlint | to get unlimited minutes, sms and data on my carrier would be $100 |
| 12:25.41 | BCMM | i mean, half of those 5k are just "lol" or a smiley |
| 12:25.49 | lardman | prefers to just use data and real IM if that's the need |
| 12:25.59 | lardman | BCMM: yes that's true |
| 12:26.05 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when you install something in /opt on Ubuntu, can you launch it without a path? |
| 12:26.19 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: seriously, I'm not going to add it now, because its' minor, doesn't effect normal usage and doesn't matter |
| 12:26.27 | BCMM | basically, if somebody else is paying, SMS is just a type of instant messaging... |
| 12:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | probably not, because when I install anything to buntkuh, I must have got a shot to my brain first to even do that |
| 12:27.03 | alterego | I'll add it to v2 for you, your complaint is noticed, but I'm not changing it now. Vote down and stop calling me ignorant just because we have a difference of opinion. |
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| 12:28.03 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when you install something in /opt on openSUSE, can you launch it without a path? |
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| 12:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | it *is* ignorant to call failing tab-expansion in shell, failing manpage integration as there's no proper path for the manpage, even uttering nonsense about "adding shit to $PATH" while that's exactly what's not meant to be done... |
| 12:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | oh my... nevermind |
| 12:29.11 | MohammadAG | on that note |
| 12:29.25 | MohammadAG | how are arguments tabbed in some cli binaries? |
| 12:29.44 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: submit a but against PR1.3 about it, or Qt maemo |
| 12:29.49 | MohammadAG | few do it, rpm is one |
| 12:30.05 | alterego | It's not my place to fix Qt Creators default install variables. |
| 12:30.37 | alterego | Personally I think its' neater than what most do, especially in regards to fscking symlinks in /usr/bin ! |
| 12:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | LEARN TO READ! THEN READ FHS |
| 12:31.22 | MohammadAG | FHS applies to an FS with no retarded duct taped /opt |
| 12:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | and please stop to try teach me how to do proper system config, by quoting bad example |
| 12:32.46 | alterego | What config? |
| 12:32.54 | alterego | You don't need to config anything |
| 12:33.01 | alterego | It works as is intended. |
| 12:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's BS. FHS *is*, it's the duct tape fs that doesn't comply with FHS, due to ignorants that think it's enough of an excuse there is such duct tape shit, so they can add even more shit |
| 12:33.33 | ieatlint | geek arguments aren't that exciting :( |
| 12:33.45 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: do yourself a favour and stop arguing in that way |
| 12:33.50 | alterego | Maybe not how you'd like it, but arguing about this is just a waste of both of our time. Vote it down, I don't care. |
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| 12:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | "why connect protective earth, it WORKS as expected" - meh, c'mon. Really you should all be ashamed to enter such level of argumentation |
| 12:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | away to deal with more promising things |
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| 12:39.00 | alterego | bbl |
| 12:39.05 | chem|st | ieatlint: ty |
| 12:40.10 | ieatlint | np |
| 12:40.42 | ieatlint | just repay me by trying the code i wrote, and if practical making a comment about it on something like twitter or a blog |
| 12:41.03 | ieatlint | trying to get a job programming, and increasing exposure of code i wrote will help i think :P |
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| 12:44.27 | chem|st | ieatlint: sure |
| 12:44.53 | chem|st | ieatlint: did you specialice in anything yet |
| 12:45.04 | chem|st | ize* |
| 12:45.13 | lardman | ise! |
| 12:45.22 | chem|st | whatever |
| 12:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 12:45.32 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ll `which eagle` |
| 12:45.32 | lardman | don't worry just Eng vs American |
| 12:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 25. Apr 2008 /usr/bin/eagle -> /opt/eagle/bin/eagle |
| 12:45.51 | chem|st | not even uk ppl don't know about the difference anymore |
| 12:45.55 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> echo $PATH |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | /home/jr/bin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/bin:/bin:/usr/bin/X11:/usr/X11R6/bin:/usr/games:/opt/kde3/bin:/usr/lib/jvm/jre/bin:/usr/lib/mit/bin:/usr/lib/mit/sbin:/usr/lib/qt3/bin |
| 12:46.00 | ieatlint | uh, i've been using C for years, intermediate with GTK and Qt |
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| 12:46.20 | chem|st | ieatlint: mind to move? |
| 12:46.21 | lardman | chem|st: that's the insidious use of M$ Word and not being able to disable US-Eng dictionary |
| 12:46.23 | ieatlint | *nix environments a lot.. have experience with a bunch of random libs |
| 12:46.35 | chem|st | lardman: and media! |
| 12:46.41 | ieatlint | would probably be an issue to move :P |
| 12:46.50 | chem|st | why? |
| 12:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: /opt/kde3/bin meets the requirement of "large packets" that are allowed to do this |
| 12:46.54 | ieatlint | including that whole work visa/permit thing |
| 12:46.56 | lardman | chem|st: internet yeah, but they still spell correctly in the newspapers |
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| 12:47.44 | ieatlint | plus, assuming you mean to .de, my german is pretty fucking terrible |
| 12:47.48 | chem|st | ieatlint: you are uk citizen? |
| 12:48.00 | ieatlint | nah, i'm in california |
| 12:48.22 | jacekowski | good for you |
| 12:48.33 | ieatlint | thanks! |
| 12:48.35 | jacekowski | you should have to wait in queues for visa |
| 12:48.45 | jacekowski | and then speak to imigration officers at airports |
| 12:48.54 | jacekowski | and sometimes be returned without any reason |
| 12:48.58 | chem|st | ieatlint: ah ok |
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| 12:49.16 | ieatlint | and you should get bitchy at me because i happen to be in a country that has controversial policies, and simply assume that i support them |
| 12:49.32 | jacekowski | you were born there |
| 12:49.59 | chem|st | jacekowski: thats what they do in cuba... they have an extra line just for usa peops |
| 12:50.28 | ieatlint | yeah, that was a regrettable decision of mine, wasn't it? |
| 12:51.08 | lardman | in the UK you seem to get into the country faster if you're not from the UK |
| 12:51.20 | chem|st | ieatlint: you should get out of there and see the world for once |
| 12:51.32 | chem|st | lardman: and out as well... |
| 12:51.33 | lardman | i.e. lots of staff on the non-UK/Euro desks |
| 12:51.42 | derf | lardman: I noticed that, too. |
| 12:51.52 | ieatlint | i have... been to europe ~10 times... |
| 12:51.58 | lardman | makes me proud to be British :p |
| 12:52.13 | ieatlint | visited ~15 countries in europe.. |
| 12:52.13 | jacekowski | lardman: you just have to run to border before anybody else gets there |
| 12:52.18 | jacekowski | lardman: and then it takes 30s |
| 12:52.34 | lardman | nah, they always have a backlog on the UK/Euro desk afaict |
| 12:52.34 | jacekowski | ieatlint: well, in europe there is no borders |
| 12:52.39 | ieatlint | and i generally specify that i'm from california and not the US for that specific reason |
| 12:52.46 | chem|st | lardman: wouldn't be too proud of that... (I feel a bit yorkshire'ish) |
| 12:52.52 | ieatlint | jacekowski: well, having been stopped at several of them, that's news to me |
| 12:53.03 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: can you point me to extras testing policy for a mention of PATH integration plox |
| 12:53.08 | ieatlint | in fact, i was stopped and searched driving into france once |
| 12:53.19 | chem|st | ieatlint: you got an austrian as gouv?! |
| 12:53.22 | alterego | And any docs that state FHS compliance in maemo |
| 12:53.39 | ieatlint | chem|st: indeed... but only until january 4 |
| 12:53.58 | chem|st | ieatlint: who is next? |
| 12:54.09 | alterego | should probably not feed the troll :) |
| 12:54.18 | ieatlint | jacekowski: oh, and btw, i'm in san francisco, the most left-wing major city in the US... so try and tell me that i'm an evil hating american :P |
| 12:54.32 | ieatlint | chem|st: guy named jerry brown |
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| 12:54.44 | chem|st | ieatlint: sounds 'right' |
| 12:55.05 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: can you point me to any docs declaring ASCII as the primary encoding used in maemo? Please stop it now. I'm seriously bored about your insisting in doing your fancy little shit the wrong way, and then even claiming it's OK |
| 12:55.43 | jacekowski | ekhm, asci is so 20 years ago |
| 12:55.50 | ieatlint | chem|st: nah, jerry brown is left... he's pro-gay marriage (same as our current governator), and was also governor back in the 1970s when he was famous for trying to stop the death penalty |
| 12:55.53 | alterego | hahah |
| 12:56.02 | alterego | Nice argument DocScrutinizer |
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| 12:56.13 | chem|st | jacekowski: and why do I have an ascii cahr table just in front of me? |
| 12:56.21 | alterego | I would have thought adhering to extras testing policy would be enough |
| 12:56.34 | jacekowski | chem|st: because it's partialy compatible with utf-8 |
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| 12:57.00 | Venemo | hey! |
| 12:57.04 | chem|st | ieatlint: so he's going to try that again? |
| 12:57.07 | jacekowski | yey! |
| 12:57.09 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I got a 5 for my homework! :P |
| 12:57.14 | alterego | Anyhow gotta dash |
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| 12:57.22 | chem|st | back to the roots! |
| 12:57.23 | alterego | bbl |
| 12:57.25 | ieatlint | chem|st: the death penalty thing? ... sadly, no |
| 12:57.43 | jacekowski | which death penalty thing? |
| 12:57.52 | MohammadAG | Venemo, congrats, told you you'll be fine :D |
| 12:57.53 | jacekowski | btw. do you know that US has highest incarceration rate |
| 12:58.14 | ieatlint | jacekowski: are you seriously going to do this? |
| 12:58.17 | jacekowski | and it's something extremly high like 1% of total population is in prison |
| 12:58.19 | chem|st | governator lost his "key to the city" and special citizenship back home because he did not deny one |
| 12:58.33 | ieatlint | do you seek out an american tourist and try to hold them accountable for their government's actions? |
| 12:58.57 | jacekowski | nah i don't care |
| 12:58.57 | ieatlint | chem|st: yeah, arnold is not against the death penalty |
| 12:59.29 | lardman | hmm, /me is slightly worries that the actions of ones country are being taken out on a single person |
| 12:59.35 | ieatlint | i could sit here insulting france, which is just as trendy, but somehow i don't think you're the one telling sarkozy what to do |
| 13:00.17 | chem|st | ieatlint: there is a law school team bumping old files of death penalty and proof most of them wrong... |
| 13:01.03 | ieatlint | chem|st: yeah, i fully agree that it's inhumane... |
| 13:01.45 | ieatlint | we last executed someone in california in 2005... but i think one is scheduled for january :( |
| 13:02.03 | chem|st | thats the courts fault not the guy's who is for death penalty |
| 13:02.20 | ieatlint | not just the court |
| 13:02.41 | chem|st | they do that jsut to proof that lots of people are imprissoned not guilty |
| 13:02.42 | ieatlint | the prosecutor has to ask for it, the jury has to unanimously vote for it, and the judge has to accept it |
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| 13:03.10 | chem|st | ieatlint: that's what I meant by court |
| 13:03.28 | derf | You can't be "for" a policy without also being for the system used to execute that policy. |
| 13:03.39 | derf | The two are not independent. |
| 13:05.39 | ieatlint | well, i'm happily against the death penalty, and happy to live in a city that has a policy to never use it ... and somehow it doesn't affect our murder rate |
| 13:05.56 | lardman | guns |
| 13:06.21 | lardman | this is an old one, /me looks at the #maemo achive to save arguing again :) |
| 13:06.39 | ieatlint | haha |
| 13:06.48 | ieatlint | i'm sure we can list off some other controversial topics |
| 13:08.22 | chem|st | sure... sex with furniture |
| 13:08.28 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:08.33 | GAN900 | jacekowski, drug laws. |
| 13:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | FHS :-P |
| 13:08.56 | GAN900 | jacekowski, responsible for the vast majority of those incarcerations. |
| 13:08.56 | ieatlint | chem|st: plenty of that going on around here |
| 13:09.15 | GAN900 | Could fix the deficit if you legalized most stuff today. |
| 13:09.36 | ieatlint | there we go, one of the more recent controversial topics |
| 13:09.44 | ieatlint | we decriminalized it at least |
| 13:10.15 | ieatlint | up to 1oz (28.5grams -- more than 5 times the amount holland allows) |
| 13:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: the blue crosses on your blog pics are hard to spot |
| 13:11.41 | ieatlint | yeah, i should go look at gnuplot settings to figure out how to make them bigger, or use a different graphing tool |
| 13:12.33 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I hope you use a moving window algo (i.e. a fifo for the last n samples) to create that offset graph in your lib |
| 13:13.10 | lardman | heads off for lunch |
| 13:13.16 | ieatlint | not sure what you mean |
| 13:13.30 | trx | can anyone tell me what is the linux function that does the same as keybd_event on windows? |
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| 13:13.47 | ieatlint | i don't copy the data to make the offset if that's what you mean |
| 13:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 13:14.12 | ieatlint | i also implemented another method for decoding that doesn't use an offset, but i haven't made a blog post about it |
| 13:15.00 | pablo2 | Possible through icon to send the notification area? |
| 13:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | bool crossing(x){return (graph[x] == fifo[offset]} |
| 13:15.25 | ieatlint | to do the offset method, i just have two iterators for the same data (an s16le array), one starts at 0 and one starts at N |
| 13:16.38 | ieatlint | more like i=0, offset=3; crossing( data[i], data[i+offset] ) |
| 13:17.10 | ieatlint | https://github.com/ieatlint/mslib/blob/master/mslib.c line 109 |
| 13:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | fifo[x] = graph[x - offset] |
| 13:17.51 | ieatlint | that's my equiv for your crossing() func, and line 116 is the function that calls that as it traverses the array |
| 13:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I think we say the same |
| 13:19.11 | ieatlint | my other method just absolute-values all the numbers, and whenever data[i] < data[i-1] it records it |
| 13:19.43 | ieatlint | ignoring any that occur under a threshold of say 300 |
| 13:20.01 | ieatlint | and i'm referring to amplitude for the values with all this |
| 13:21.01 | ieatlint | i then follow the documented system on the blog... all valid peaks are an opposite polarity from the previous one, so i just group by polarity and pick the highest amplitude from each group |
| 13:21.40 | ieatlint | and that code is straight c89, so it works on pretty much any system (tested on osx, windows, linux, symbian) |
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| 14:48.08 | Justus | hi |
| 14:48.24 | Justus | is it possible to flip the screen of the n900 horizontally and vertically? |
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| 14:53.27 | pupnik | anybody want to test latest libflashplayer.so for omap3 |
| 14:53.31 | andre__ | Justus: yes and no. what do you want to do? |
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| 15:46.39 | andre__ | trx: shift and blue arrow on the keyboard? |
| 15:47.32 | trx | im trying to emulate that behavior, when you once press shift, it stays pressed until a key stroke in my application |
| 15:47.45 | trx | so far no luck with any method i tried :/ |
| 15:50.46 | nomis | trx: uh, it works that way for me - e.g. in the notes application. |
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| 15:52.05 | trx | doesnt work for me as im using GTK2 and custom controls (lazarus LCL (fpc)) |
| 15:52.42 | trx | trouble is, i can send a key stroke to my memo field |
| 15:52.53 | luke-jr | fail |
| 15:52.54 | trx | but cant send Shift+key stroke |
| 15:53.00 | luke-jr | stop using GTK crap! |
| 15:53.11 | trx | i would if i could |
| 15:53.27 | trx | but i dont want to create gui by code |
| 15:53.46 | trx | when i can just place components on a form.. |
| 15:54.52 | jasuarez | andre__: is there possible that more than one people can handle bugs in a maemo project? |
| 15:55.19 | nomis | luke-jr: hah, I nearly fell for your trolling attempt. |
| 15:56.44 | andre__ | jaska, how do you mean? |
| 15:56.53 | andre__ | argh. sorry. ^ jasuarez |
| 15:57.03 | andre__ | (damn autocomplete) |
| 15:57.08 | jasuarez | :) |
| 15:57.24 | jasuarez | I'm working in the project with other guy, but he's able to change bugs related that project |
| 15:57.31 | jasuarez | but I can't |
| 15:57.58 | jasuarez | if i check my permissions, it says i have access to bugs |
| 15:58.08 | andre__ | well, which one, so I can check? |
| 15:58.14 | jasuarez | seriesfinale |
| 15:58.20 | andre__ | and "change bugs" is also a bit... vague ;-) |
| 15:58.22 | andre__ | let me see |
| 15:58.34 | jasuarez | thank you |
| 16:00.15 | andre__ | jasuarez, can you try again? looks like I had marked you as seriesfinale dev, but without editbugs permissions :-( |
| 16:00.27 | jasuarez | trying |
| 16:01.10 | jasuarez | andre__: thanks! it works fine |
| 16:01.18 | andre__ | cool |
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| 16:10.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, it might be easier to add the link to your signature in red and bold |
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| 16:13.16 | luke-jr | trx: bad joke? GTK is GUI-by-code; Qt has always been about visual design |
| 16:13.41 | trx | nope |
| 16:13.48 | trx | not in lazarus |
| 16:14.06 | luke-jr | wtf is lazarus nonsense? |
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| 16:14.12 | luke-jr | in any case, Qt > GTK always |
| 16:14.43 | trx | i really dont care what is > |
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| 16:15.00 | trx | i care about functionality |
| 16:18.07 | nomis | luke-jr: do you have some kind of evidence for that statement? |
| 16:18.32 | luke-jr | nomis: anything GTK can do, Qt already does better |
| 16:18.59 | MohammadAG | suggests an example |
| 16:19.05 | MohammadAG | DBus in C and C++/Qt |
| 16:19.09 | MohammadAG | have fun |
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| 16:19.25 | Jaffa | luke-jr: And, let me guess, vim is always better than emacs; and C++ is *always* better than Java? |
| 16:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: :-D |
| 16:19.39 | Jaffa | resists a childish Star Wars quote about absolutes. |
| 16:19.43 | nomis | MohammadAG: hah, and how is GTK+ related to DBus? : |
| 16:19.44 | nomis | :) |
| 16:19.49 | luke-jr | Jaffa: as much as I hate C++, it is definitely always better than Java ⺠|
| 16:19.59 | MohammadAG | it isn't, I just brought up a fail example :P |
| 16:20.06 | nomis | yeah, and C is always better than C++. And I mean that. |
| 16:20.11 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: it doesn't prove anything |
| 16:20.17 | luke-jr | nomis: but GTK isn't C |
| 16:20.24 | nomis | luke-jr: how so? |
| 16:20.27 | Jaffa | luke-jr: You don't seem sure... |
| 16:20.27 | luke-jr | it's "omg let's reinvent C++ using C syntax!" |
| 16:20.38 | nomis | luke-jr: the compile times suggest otherwise. |
| 16:20.49 | luke-jr | nomis: that's unrelated to language |
| 16:20.56 | lcuk | psst luke-jr - C++ is OMG lets reinvent objects using C syntax |
| 16:21.01 | nomis | luke-jr: and it is a stock C compiler, (which in turn is not true for Qt and C++ btw.) |
| 16:21.11 | luke-jr | lcuk: C++ is the initial extension ⺠|
| 16:21.21 | luke-jr | nomis: Qt isn't C++ |
| 16:21.26 | nomis | luke-jr: I know that. |
| 16:21.44 | luke-jr | nomis: when you change core language constructs, you have a new language |
| 16:21.46 | luke-jr | both GTK and Qt do that |
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| 16:22.17 | nomis | luke-jr: you don't need some proprietary preprocessor thingie to transform Gtk+-code into C that works with GCC. |
| 16:22.21 | luke-jr | the fact that they are commonly implemented in C and C++ is no more relevant than the fact that Python is implemented in C |
| 16:22.35 | GAN900 | Why do the Android trolls always seem to come out in force on Talk. . . . |
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| 16:23.07 | nomis | luke-jr: and I challenge you to show me some piece of code of the GTK+ library that is *not* C. |
| 16:23.33 | nomis | (apart from language bindings of course) |
| 16:23.36 | pupnik | gtk we hardly knew ye |
| 16:23.37 | luke-jr | nomis: that's because GTK has crappy syntax ⺠|
| 16:23.38 | luke-jr | and, I argue that you do |
| 16:23.39 | trx | also, if you all know what is better, please, have a look at my question, and if possible give me a suggestion... |
| 16:23.41 | luke-jr | it just happens to be part of the C standard |
| 16:23.43 | luke-jr | I doubt GTK would work well without the C preprocessor |
| 16:23.55 | luke-jr | nomis: irrelevant |
| 16:24.17 | luke-jr | also, Qt is *faster* at least at runtime |
| 16:24.24 | luke-jr | (slow compiles are of course a fault of your compiler) |
| 16:24.48 | nomis | luke-jr: slow compiles is a fault of the broken design of C++. |
| 16:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: that's BS. Qt isn't changing anything of C++ |
| 16:24.59 | pupnik | in what way is qt faster? can this be qualified further luke-jr ? |
| 16:25.25 | nomis | DocScrutinizer: you need a proprietary preprocessor for the signal/slot extensions to "C++". |
| 16:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | I know |
| 16:25.55 | nomis | "proprietary" in the sense of "Qt-specific". |
| 16:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | still it's a full C++, just with extensions |
| 16:26.23 | nomis | DocScrutinizer: no, the language the programmer writes is not C++, since it contains syntax elements alien to C++. |
| 16:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | so Qt doesn't *change* C++, it just augments it |
| 16:26.32 | lcuk | Jaffa, ping |
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| 16:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 16:28.27 | nomis | sorry, I tend to be touchy on that subect. |
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| 16:40.36 | alterego | MohammadAG: probably, but I barely use tmo anymore :P |
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| 16:55.05 | thp | andre__: Is "Fixed in Harmattan" new or was bug 5402 just the first one where I saw it? |
| 16:55.07 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5402 Image Viewer missing rubber-banding (bounce) effect |
| 16:55.24 | andre__ | thp, just the first one you saw. |
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| 17:10.25 | GAN900 | thp, pretty sure those started last year. :P |
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| 17:15.30 | MohammadAG | but they haven't been used a lot |
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| 17:15.58 | andre__ | maybe because Harmattan is still too vague. ;-) |
| 17:16.21 | lardman | yes vague it is |
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| 17:54.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw could someone pst me an example codeline where Qt is introducing nin C++ syntax elements? |
| 17:54.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | except from those used in GUI designer files |
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| 17:55.47 | Venemo | hey |
| 17:55.52 | alterego | Aloha |
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| 17:56.15 | crashanddie | Our customers and IT teams have been reporting voice-call issues (hashing, accelerated voice, lost calls) on our VoIP server |
| 17:57.12 | crashanddie | I just stress tested a machine similar to our production machines (dual quad core 3Ghz, 8Gb RAM), by making it compute random floating point divisions, starving it off RAM and killing the IO (dd, I love you) |
| 17:57.18 | Venemo | alterego: I got a 5 for the puzzle app :) |
| 17:57.37 | alterego | Yeah, I saw earlier as I was logging off, well done! :) |
| 17:57.43 | crashanddie | and the 30 calls I had going from my machine kept going without a drop in the packet rate until *after* sshd had crashed |
| 17:57.45 | alterego | Out of 5 presumably? :) |
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| 17:58.05 | Venemo | alterego: will upload to -devel today :) |
| 17:58.34 | alterego | Sweet :) |
| 17:58.51 | alterego | sets up a debian VM |
| 17:59.00 | Venemo | alterego: the teacher said he likes it so much that he'll install it to his own N900 :P |
| 17:59.10 | alterego | Heh;, very cool :D |
| 17:59.13 | crashanddie | In other words, I'm at a loss to explain why our teams are seeing issues with the product, when even in the harshest conditions, the server is running better than expected... If anyone has ideas I could analyse, I'm all ears |
| 18:00.30 | Venemo | crashanddie: did you test it from the local network or remotely? |
| 18:00.39 | crashanddie | remotely |
| 18:00.44 | Venemo | hm |
| 18:00.54 | Venemo | then my idea is not good |
| 18:01.04 | crashanddie | I had 10 calls go through the PSTN network, 20 going through VoIP, 10 of those through different ISPs |
| 18:01.14 | Venemo | (I thought it may be caused by networking equipment... routers etc) |
| 18:01.58 | crashanddie | Venemo, I'm still not ruling that one out |
| 18:02.13 | crashanddie | Venemo, we have "audiocodes", machines that get calls from the PSTN network, and translate it to SIP |
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| 18:02.22 | crashanddie | it could be coming from those |
| 18:02.29 | Venemo | mhm |
| 18:02.31 | Venemo | interesting |
| 18:03.05 | Venemo | are you sure that you gave the test machine as much traffic as the server gets when they're reporting the issues? |
| 18:03.10 | alterego | Should probably make dinner in a bit, my gf is at a work do tonight so I'm gonna watch Inception and do some hacking :) |
| 18:03.24 | Venemo | hehe |
| 18:03.56 | Venemo | do you trust your gf this much? |
| 18:04.04 | alterego | To do what? |
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| 18:04.25 | Venemo | who knows what could happen with her while she 'works' this late |
| 18:04.52 | alterego | work christmas party :P |
| 18:04.57 | Venemo | haha |
| 18:04.57 | crashanddie | Venemo, not really, the problem is the issue is random -- some of our servers have 600 simultaneous calls and have issues, whereas others (exact replica of hardware, same network, same software) handle 2000 simultaneous calls and have no issues whatsoever |
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| 18:05.06 | alterego | She's with a load of boring dentist types, what culd possibly happen?! :) |
| 18:05.16 | Venemo | alterego: okay :P |
| 18:05.16 | crashanddie | alterego, "oral exam"? |
| 18:05.23 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:05.24 | alterego | :) |
| 18:05.29 | Venemo | crashanddie: sounds like a networking issue to me |
| 18:05.59 | Venemo | crashanddie: as if a router, or a switch, or a simple network cable was the problem |
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| 18:06.35 | Venemo | crashanddie: the other possibility is that the issue is caused on the client side software |
| 18:06.54 | crashanddie | it all goes over PSTN basically |
| 18:07.04 | crashanddie | well, 90% of the calls do |
| 18:08.14 | alterego | vm installed, not to install all the dev crap I need, mysql, ruby, ruby on rails blah blah |
| 18:08.17 | Venemo | alterego: I'll also promote my app to -testing, and you're at my debt at voting on it :P |
| 18:08.29 | crashanddie | alterego, what are you installing? |
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| 18:09.17 | alterego | debian + ruby on rails into a VM so I can develop this site for a contract I've got, then I should be easily able to upload it to my production server when its' finished/testable. |
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| 18:12.28 | lardman | hmm, 14.8Mb worth of package lists |
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| 18:13.30 | Venemo | crashanddie: well then I'm out of ideas |
| 18:13.50 | Venemo | crashanddie: maybe a colleague of yours forgets to turn off his torrent client when he goes to the VPN |
| 18:13.56 | Venemo | crashanddie: (happened where I worked) |
| 18:14.47 | lardman | hmm, so where's the arm version of valgrind to be found? |
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| 18:15.06 | crashanddie | lardman, it doesn't exist |
| 18:15.20 | lardman | I thought it had been patched to work |
| 18:15.21 | lardman | ? |
| 18:15.31 | crashanddie | I'd like to see that |
| 18:15.38 | lardman | me too |
| 18:15.39 | crashanddie | considering that valgrind doesn't even work on OSX |
| 18:17.13 | lcuk | lardman, crashanddie http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65335 |
| 18:17.34 | alterego | nyurgh |
| 18:17.51 | crashanddie | well fuck me |
| 18:17.55 | crashanddie | lcuk, nice |
| 18:18.46 | lcuk | tmo: useful, sometimes. |
| 18:19.17 | lardman | no-one has actually packaged it for fremantle though |
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| 18:24.41 | lardman | lol, even the flashing "there;s upgrades pending" icon in the systray can't manage to keep temp with apt running installing something |
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| 18:31.53 | lardman | is it common to loose printf's if you output them just before a segfault occurs? |
| 18:35.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 18:35.20 | alterego | You can flush though, also make sure you have a newline at the end of your output |
| 18:35.39 | lardman | newline flushes, or do I need to call something? |
| 18:36.12 | lardman | hmm actually these are qDebug outputs so might be different anyway |
| 18:37.38 | toggles | lardman: it's common, newline doesn't always flush, use: printf("xxx\n");fflush(0); |
| 18:38.04 | toggles | substitute qdebug for printf if you like, make sure there is a \n or it probably wont come out |
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| 18:38.50 | lardman | qDebug << blah << flush; apparently, we'll see |
| 18:39.35 | toggles | rock on |
| 18:39.51 | lardman | well segfault on in my case ;) |
| 18:40.08 | toggles | core on! |
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| 18:40.38 | lardman | hmm, that didn't seem to work |
| 18:41.00 | lardman | or perhaps it did, must add some more lines |
| 18:41.12 | toggles | fflush(0); // flushes every fiel handle |
| 18:41.25 | lardman | ok |
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| 18:46.29 | spiritd | where can i manualy edit repositories? |
| 18:46.52 | Venemo | spiritd: /etc/apt/sources.list and /etc/apt/sources.list.ld/ |
| 18:47.03 | Venemo | spiritd: sorry, the latter is /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ |
| 18:47.55 | spiritd | Venemo once i edited /etc/apt/sources.list.ld/ ... than ran app manager... and file was overwritten by app |
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| 18:50.20 | ioan | I have a problem with App Manager, it fails to update Ovi and Nokia repositories. Is this just on my N900 or you guys have this problem too? |
| 18:51.12 | spiritd | ioan what your firmware? |
| 18:51.23 | ioan | latest |
| 18:51.45 | spiritd | i have new N900 and had first one... same problem... but i updated to PR1.3 and np |
| 18:52.11 | ioan | I have pr1.3, and the update worked fine until yesterday |
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| 18:56.32 | lardman | hmm, my fprintfs + fflush don't generate anything in the fn that gdb reckons was causing my segfault, is that again a common occurrance? |
| 18:57.42 | toggles | if you corrupt the stack... |
| 18:58.30 | lardman | hmm, ok |
| 18:58.32 | toggles | do you have any idea where it might be happening? |
| 18:58.58 | lardman | well gdb points to a function call into the Qt libraries |
| 18:59.04 | lardman | and I know where that is called |
| 18:59.21 | toggles | you put a printf();fflush(0); before it? |
| 18:59.36 | toggles | can you run it under gdb and breakpoint there? |
| 19:00.38 | lardman | hmm, am half asleep was writing to file, let me check that |
| 19:00.43 | lardman | fprintf |
| 19:02.55 | lardman | ok, so I get some output now, thanks toggles |
| 19:03.33 | lardman | I think this might stem back to my trying to sort a list of objects |
| 19:03.43 | lardman | the objects being in a QList |
| 19:03.53 | lardman | and my implementing an operator< for the object in question |
| 19:04.17 | ioan | ok, my /etc/apt/sources.list is empty. isn't that the file that should have all the repositories? |
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| 19:06.10 | lardman | is there a /etc/apt/sources.list.d/ ? |
| 19:07.27 | ioan | yes, but if I try to vi, I get "sources.list.d not a regular file" |
| 19:07.43 | lardman | yeah it's a dir |
| 19:07.46 | lardman | see what's in it |
| 19:07.50 | ioan | ok |
| 19:09.06 | ioan | hildon-application-manager.list, with the repositories that I use inside |
| 19:10.08 | spiritd | ye |
| 19:10.10 | lardman | it may be the repos are down |
| 19:10.19 | ioan | hold on. the app manager update just started working :-) |
| 19:10.35 | spiritd | can you post here default web repositories for PR1.3? |
| 19:11.10 | ioan | http://pastebin.com/3KBQwFTY |
| 19:11.22 | ioan | spiritd: http://pastebin.com/3KBQwFTY |
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| 19:12.19 | spiritd | well what the difference between "fremantle-1.3" "fremantle" |
| 19:12.44 | ioan | I have no idea |
| 19:12.46 | ioan | :-) |
| 19:13.21 | MohammadAG | it's just a symlink |
| 19:13.32 | MohammadAG | they're same |
| 19:13.40 | MohammadAG | don't change everything to -1.3 |
| 19:14.26 | spiritd | i did :D |
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| 19:15.33 | spiritd | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ |
| 19:15.34 | spiritd | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ |
| 19:15.34 | spiritd | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ |
| 19:15.34 | spiritd | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free |
| 19:15.34 | spiritd | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free |
| 19:15.34 | spiritd | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ fremantle free non-free |
| 19:15.59 | spiritd | so "fremantle-1.3" ---> "fremantle" ... right? |
| 19:16.28 | MohammadAG | 1.3 -> fremantle-1.2 I think |
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| 19:17.10 | spiritd | MohammadAG ... can you post yours list? |
| 19:17.28 | MohammadAG | deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ |
| 19:17.30 | MohammadAG | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 19:17.34 | MohammadAG | the rest are the same |
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| 19:19.47 | spiritd | is there some documentaion regarding to this? reporistories? default setup, used files |
| 19:19.50 | spiritd | etc ? |
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| 19:20.27 | pupnik | is it true that 1.3 uses more battery? |
| 19:20.56 | lardman | not imho |
| 19:21.20 | spiritd | pupnik we can test it... what firmware you have? |
| 19:21.34 | MohammadAG | it does rape the battery while charging though |
| 19:21.47 | MohammadAG | suggests kernel-power |
| 19:21.51 | lardman | you need to flash a different kernel |
| 19:21.52 | lardman | yeah |
| 19:22.17 | lardman | I'm surprised we've not had an immediate update to fix that..... |
| 19:22.18 | pupnik | it was just random chatter spiritd ... not based on any intelligent analysis |
| 19:22.39 | spiritd | :) |
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| 19:41.39 | spiritd | so i edited hildon-application-manager.list ... but app manager overwrited that |
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| 19:46.16 | RST38h | Sooo, anything exciting? |
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| 19:51.35 | spiritd | how the fck it works |
| 19:52.17 | MohammadAG | some other configuration file |
| 19:52.19 | MohammadAG | forgot where it is |
| 19:52.39 | MohammadAG | string hildon-application-manager-config |
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| 19:57.45 | lardman | any OO gurus about? |
| 19:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: when did we ever have immediate fixes to any core components? |
| 19:58.28 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: well yeah, but this is pretty fundamental, one can but hope |
| 19:58.37 | lardman | or rather could but have hoped |
| 19:59.22 | spiritd | MohammadAG is there some process tracing application? i d like to know which file application access |
| 19:59.38 | MohammadAG | strace |
| 19:59.57 | MohammadAG | just string it, the directory is probably hardcoded, like mce xD |
| 20:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's been an evergreen topic with Nokia, to them change their release policy |
| 20:01.20 | lardman | can a class inheriting from another access public members? I assume so |
| 20:01.35 | ShadowJK | lardman, I use fprintf(stderr, "blah") for debugging.. stderr is less buffered by default :) |
| 20:01.53 | lardman | ShadowJK: good call |
| 20:02.13 | lardman | though I think I've now narrowed it down and am trying to work out what I've done to break things |
| 20:02.43 | lardman | adding public members to a class that is otherwise virtual is top of my heap |
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| 20:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | btw 6d 14h uptime with xchat running is quite nice for that N810 that constantly rebooted before I swapped the batery |
| 20:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ^^ |
| 20:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: talking about batery and contacts - lead and tin should wipe away easily with something like e.g. HCl, while gold never will |
| 20:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | curses "t" key for not accepting double-hits |
| 20:10.18 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: In practice, it just worked when I squeezed the batery contacts together |
| 20:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | eeeek it's contagious |
| 20:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 20:12.17 | DocScrutinizer | treats his "t" key with hard radiation and ethanol |
| 20:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | not any beter, but at least I can find the key in the dark now :-P |
| 20:15.43 | jaska | waste of ethanol! |
| 20:16.05 | alterego | I'd forgotten how cool rails is to use :) |
| 20:18.24 | MohammadAG | stabs DocScrutinizer's "t" |
| 20:18.50 | spiritd | MohammadAG strace, string... dont have these commands in n900? |
| 20:18.52 | spiritd | ... |
| 20:18.55 | alterego | Still not voted DocScrutinizer ? |
| 20:18.55 | spiritd | no ? |
| 20:18.58 | spiritd | not ? |
| 20:19.20 | MohammadAG | spiritd, binutils for strings, strace is in the tools repo |
| 20:20.11 | spiritd | MohammadAG is there some n900 emulation software for PC? |
| 20:20.36 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 20:20.37 | infobot | methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:25.39 | ioan | what's the name of that application that takes a picture and then translates the text? |
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| 20:27.43 | xnt14 | ioan: phototranslator |
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| 20:28.02 | ioan | xnt14: thanks |
| 20:28.10 | xnt14 | ioan: no problem |
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| 20:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I wonder where I missed that. Had it "in a former life" |
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| 20:36.00 | alterego | nyurgh, -5 degrees now :/ |
| 20:37.48 | myu | lol |
| 20:38.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, damn you111!!!1 |
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| 20:38.11 | MohammadAG | wants cold weather too |
| 20:38.17 | alterego | pfft |
| 20:38.24 | alterego | If you enjoy black death ice :P |
| 20:38.49 | alterego | Oh bawlz |
| 20:39.06 | alterego | datetime field doesn't have usec precision |
| 20:41.09 | MohammadAG | time for a custom widget! |
| 20:41.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, when you told me about the lists like ones in the mediaplayer, did you say inherit, or make a whole new custom one? |
| 20:42.50 | alterego | I said, you need to create a new delegate :P |
| 20:43.06 | alterego | You should the normal QListView thingy |
| 20:43.11 | alterego | ~use .. |
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| 20:45.12 | MohammadAG | what's a delegate o_O |
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| 20:46.03 | Venemo | MohammadAG: it is a programming concept |
| 20:46.29 | backwards_ | is this a good place to ask noobie questions? |
| 20:46.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'm already using a QListItemWidget |
| 20:46.41 | Venemo | backwards_: it is |
| 20:46.44 | Venemo | MohammadAG: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Delegates_%28programming%29 |
| 20:47.04 | MohammadAG | QListWidget even |
| 20:47.54 | backwards_ | I put some package on my n900 and I should do "cd /home/.." in terminal. But it says "can't cd to /home/..." |
| 20:48.03 | backwards_ | what am I doing wrong |
| 20:48.26 | pupnik | cd /home |
| 20:48.29 | MohammadAG | Probably mistyped a character, and note that unix is case sensitive |
| 20:48.37 | pupnik | cd /home/user |
| 20:48.39 | MohammadAG | pupnik, I think he means /home/rest/of/path |
| 20:48.57 | backwards_ | it was "cd /home/user/packages" |
| 20:49.15 | MohammadAG | does /home/user/packages exist? |
| 20:49.37 | pupnik | ls /home/user |
| 20:49.38 | backwards_ | yes, I think so |
| 20:50.04 | backwards_ | I put the folder "user" in the top folder in my n900 |
| 20:50.15 | backwards_ | then that is /home/user right? |
| 20:50.27 | pupnik | calling it a folder shows us you are dangerous |
| 20:50.50 | backwards_ | how come? |
| 20:50.59 | pupnik | because in unix it's called a directory |
| 20:51.10 | backwards_ | sorry :/ got much to learn |
| 20:51.40 | pupnik | yes some basics about the linux/unix/maemo filesystem would help |
| 20:51.54 | pupnik | it's a "tree" structure |
| 20:52.04 | pupnik | the top is called "root" and referenced with "/" |
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| 20:52.20 | pupnik | in the root directory there's a directory called "home" |
| 20:52.28 | pupnik | in the home directory there's a directory called "user" |
| 20:52.47 | MohammadAG | and in that, there's MyDocs |
| 20:52.48 | pupnik | you don't want to be putting things in "home" or "/" |
| 20:52.56 | MohammadAG | the "root" exposed over USB |
| 20:53.05 | pupnik | ahh MohammadAG is good |
| 20:53.15 | MohammadAG | so you probably put it in /home/user/MyDocs/home/user |
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| 20:53.30 | pupnik | or /home/user/MyDocs/user |
| 20:53.37 | backwards_ | I didn't see home |
| 20:53.38 | MohammadAG | indee |
| 20:53.41 | MohammadAG | d |
| 20:53.54 | MohammadAG | it isn't exported over USB |
| 20:54.05 | backwards_ | just asumed the top directory where all is placed was home |
| 20:54.09 | MohammadAG | use ssh or moved it |
| 20:54.13 | MohammadAG | move* |
| 20:54.24 | MohammadAG | or use filebox (BE CAREFUL!!) |
| 20:55.13 | backwards_ | but then how do I move it to home? |
| 20:55.24 | backwards_ | or how do I make home visable? |
| 20:55.26 | MohammadAG | mv somedir /home/ |
| 20:55.31 | MohammadAG | terminal |
| 20:55.42 | MohammadAG | you can't make it visiable over UsB |
| 20:55.45 | MohammadAG | USB* |
| 20:55.54 | backwards_ | but even on phone it's not visable now |
| 20:56.05 | spiritd | http://www.doxit.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/linux_file_structure.jpg |
| 20:56.06 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:56.10 | MohammadAG | night anyways |
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| 20:57.15 | Sicelo | backwards_: you still have your N900 connected to USB, perhaps? |
| 20:57.32 | backwards_ | no |
| 20:57.38 | backwards_ | to charger tho |
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| 20:58.38 | backwards_ | top directory is Nokia N900/ |
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| 20:59.03 | backwards_ | should there be home under "Nokia N900/" ? |
| 20:59.37 | spiritd | no top i / |
| 20:59.39 | spiritd | is |
| 20:59.48 | andre__ | no. you end in MyDocs listed as top |
| 21:00.42 | spiritd | thats nice on this "phone" you can go lower if you want |
| 21:01.01 | backwards_ | I don't even see MyDocs anywhere |
| 21:01.16 | spiritd | install filebox |
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| 21:01.49 | andre__ | backwards_, it is mounted as / on your PC computer |
| 21:01.51 | Venemo | backwards_: what do you want to achieve exactly? |
| 21:01.58 | spiritd | http://www.doxit.net/blog/wp-content/uploads/2007/09/linux_file_structure.jpg ... N900 is /home/user/MyDocs |
| 21:02.27 | spiritd | "Nokia N900/" is /home/user/MyDocs ------fixed |
| 21:03.07 | backwards_ | well, I wanted to install something and it told me to put it from my pc on to /home/úser/mypackages |
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| 21:04.00 | backwards_ | I thought I had to put /user/mypackages under Nokia N900/ But then "cd /home/user/mypackages" doesn't work |
| 21:04.14 | andre__ | and "something" is...? |
| 21:04.32 | Sicelo | backwards_: you will find this helpful... http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_filesystem |
| 21:04.33 | backwards_ | Bluetooth BPAP |
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| 21:04.53 | spiritd | Sicelo nice link --- look at that backwards_ |
| 21:05.06 | andre__ | backwards_, where are the instructions that you want to follow? |
| 21:05.53 | backwards_ | here http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP#Installation_Guide |
| 21:06.10 | backwards_ | But I guess I understand a big part more already |
| 21:06.44 | backwards_ | didn't know I was already in /home/user so I made a new directory called user in there |
| 21:07.03 | andre__ | actually you are in /home/user/MyDocs probably |
| 21:07.15 | andre__ | if you use the X terminal, "pwd" tells you which directory you are in |
| 21:08.16 | backwards_ | pwd tells /home/user |
| 21:08.24 | andre__ | ah, ok |
| 21:08.40 | alterego | Times like this I wished I finished my semantic web framework |
| 21:09.33 | alterego | Need moar metadata .. |
| 21:09.54 | Sicelo | backwards_: i dont have N900 myself, but it looks like the instruction was just making an example with that directory. you can use your own, as long as you run the dpkg... command while in the same folder |
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| 21:16.37 | Sicelo | i notice now that the wiki page backwards_ refers to also uses the 'dangerous' name for a directory, folder :D |
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| 21:18.52 | rhkfin | Anyone know why I can find & install apps from command line (apt-get install..) but for example fapman cannot find the same packages.. |
| 21:19.59 | backwards_ | they give me a bad example.. |
| 21:20.00 | backwards_ | but thanks |
| 21:20.07 | backwards_ | I think I made it now! |
| 21:20.18 | andre__ | rhkfin, h-a-m only lists user category packages, not libraries. don't know about fapman |
| 21:21.13 | nox- | moin |
| 21:24.10 | rhkfin | anre__ (even though he's gone...) another user was able to see some apps with his fapman I didn't |
| 21:32.08 | rhkfin | Is it normal/OK that I have 'distribution' in the package repositories fremantle-1.3 instead of fremantle? |
| 21:32.41 | rhkfin | Only in extras, not in extras-devel and extras-testing |
| 21:33.54 | ioan | linux cheat sheet: http://i.imgur.com/CJkR9.png |
| 21:34.41 | GAN900 | Anybody tried OnLive yet? |
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| 21:36.30 | rhkfin | Does this look familiar: deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.3 free non-free |
| 21:36.46 | rhkfin | Is fremantle-1.3 OK or should it be only fremantle? |
| 21:37.33 | rhkfin | My list of repositories: http://pastebin.com/iqSB4N95 |
| 21:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | heh, to me it seems backwards_ was another good example how great Nokia |
| 21:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | 's rationale worked |
| 21:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | to make it ''simple'' for windoze users and hide the true directory structure |
| 21:45.29 | DocScrutinizer | and then even call it "Nokia N900" instead of maybe something as confusing as for example "/home/user/MyDocs/ (N900 user data)" |
| 21:47.07 | toggles | can you run it under gdb and breakpoint there? |
| 21:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | I bet Nokia's usability tests on those 5000 average users have revealed they all would run a way screaming and scared to death, if there were a little hint in HFM about the true nature and location of the "root" MyDir :-P |
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| 21:49.01 | alterego | Well, I wasn't expecting her to be gone this long .. |
| 21:49.37 | Venemo | alterego: warned you |
| 21:49.42 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: agreed |
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| 21:49.44 | alterego | :) |
| 21:49.51 | Venemo | toggles: what are you referring to? |
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| 21:50.08 | toggles | Venemo: miss type, sorry |
| 21:50.29 | Venemo | alterego: at least she is all yours now |
| 21:51.43 | alterego | Nope, she's still not back :P |
| 21:53.09 | Venemo | alterego: time to start being suspicious... :P |
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| 21:54.07 | alterego | It's a refreshing break :) |
| 21:54.16 | alterego | I've got quite a bit done whilst she's been out ^.^ |
| 21:55.31 | alterego | Hrm, need to write a little script that can generate some random user accounts for me,. |
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| 22:00.34 | iluminator101 | i am surprised i cant play MP3 audio (audio/mpeg) in n900 why??? |
| 22:01.04 | ShadowJK | can |
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| 22:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: yeah why? tell us! what's the problem? |
| 22:02.32 | Venemo | iluminator101: you should be able to. |
| 22:02.36 | iluminator101 | i am trying to listen to mp3 (audio/mpeg) it says its unsupported but it plays other mp3 not this one |
| 22:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | what's the meaning of "mp3 (audio/mpeg)"? |
| 22:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | or... what's the actual name of the file? |
| 22:03.51 | DocScrutinizer | how do you try to playback it? |
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| 22:05.01 | iluminator101 | media player says audio codec unsupported??/ |
| 22:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | (/me recalls this secretary that, when asked how she converted these *.doc to *.pdf, answered "well, I renamed them" :-P) |
| 22:05.53 | iluminator101 | how do i find out what exactly this file is |
| 22:06.03 | Sicelo | DocScrutinizer: :P :D |
| 22:06.15 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: I had a screenshot of a PDF pasted in a word document, because word had the "Email to" option |
| 22:06.16 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, send a big thanks letter to Nokia |
| 22:06.37 | iluminator101 | thanks for being helpful |
| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: don't start bitching, it's not our fault |
| 22:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | if you know the song's name, you might find a file *somewhere* on your storage with a somewhat similar name |
| 22:07.46 | Sicelo | illuminator101: in command line, type /file your_file.mp3/ |
| 22:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | Sicelo: he doesn't know where your_file.mp3 is and what's the name |
| 22:08.28 | iluminator101 | if you are not part of the solution you are part of the problem |
| 22:09.03 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: you start to be part of the bitching crowd of lemmings |
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| 22:11.41 | Venemo | iluminator101: can you play this file on your desktop? |
| 22:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: : he doesn't know where your_file.mp3 is and what's the name |
| 22:12.09 | iluminator101 | venemo on vlc i can |
| 22:12.38 | Venemo | iluminator101: try to open that file with some converter then and convert it to regular mp3 |
| 22:12.54 | Venemo | iluminator101: I've got no other ideas |
| 22:13.14 | iluminator101 | thanks Venemo |
| 22:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | or, if he knows (he must know to playback with vlc) then he refuses to answer my questions, and that clearly disqualifies him, if the bitching didn't already |
| 22:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | actually Sicelo's answer was the best one, but it's a timesink to try and help unresponsive lusers |
| 22:15.44 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: do you feel like testing a little app? |
| 22:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 22:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | just feel pissed about phototranslator's abyssmal "take photo" function |
| 22:16.35 | Venemo | it is a puzzle game |
| 22:16.37 | DocScrutinizer | so something "better" might be welcome, if it runs on 1.2 |
| 22:17.11 | Venemo | should work on 1.2, but you might have to compile it for yourself |
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| 22:17.55 | DocScrutinizer | nah, can't be arsed to do that now |
| 22:18.12 | Venemo | I can give you a .deb, it should work |
| 22:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | sure, go ahead |
| 22:18.24 | Venemo | it doesn't need anything that's not in 1.2 |
| 22:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | paste the URL, so I can click it :-D |
| 22:19.09 | Venemo | moment |
| 22:20.10 | Skald | is away: Gone away for now |
| 22:20.14 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://cid-a5ea1bc43dff384c.office.live.com/browse.aspx/.Public?uc=1 (couldn't find a better place) |
| 22:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 22:20.37 | pupnik | well looks like the TSA is now in Canada |
| 22:20.44 | pupnik | < Sketch> i just went to the airport in canada a couple of weeks ago with one of those screwdriver bit set (in pieces) and they wouldn't let me keep it. |
| 22:20.53 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: it hides the extension (idiotic MS crap), but the _1.0.0_armel one is the .deb |
| 22:21.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: there's also a .tar.gz |
| 22:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://cid-a5ea1bc43dff384c.office.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/puzzle-master^_1.0.0^_armel.deb |
| 22:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 22:22.04 | Venemo | yes, that's it |
| 22:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | DAMN! |
| 22:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | still I get "ERROR\nWindows Live SkyDrive" |
| 22:22.58 | Venemo | crap |
| 22:23.15 | Venemo | ok, wait a minute |
| 22:23.20 | DocScrutinizer | couldn't you name it a bit saner, maybe without ^ |
| 22:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | might help |
| 22:23.31 | Venemo | it doesn't have ^ |
| 22:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | actually, so where came that from in my c&p?? |
| 22:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-o |
| 22:24.27 | Skald | is back. |
| 22:24.28 | Venemo | dunno, probably MS made it crap |
| 22:24.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://cid-a5ea1bc43dff384c.office.live.com/self.aspx/.Public/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel.deb |
| 22:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh*, seems I need to use wget and dl it... :-S |
| 22:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | no idea which mimetype it has |
| 22:26.13 | Venemo | trying to uplad it to FTP, but it seems that doesn't work right now :S |
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| 22:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | 60k "text/html" ? |
| 22:28.00 | DocScrutinizer | I bet that's a crappy download-page link, not a proper URL pointing to the file |
| 22:28.08 | Venemo | you're right |
| 22:28.10 | Venemo | ah |
| 22:28.19 | Venemo | my web host changed its name servers and none of the domains there have been directed to the new ones |
| 22:28.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://public.bay.livefilestore.com/y1pcs4__rc4QikVKtL9Vq-KjnN8CXTasiHYSXUKr1KpieLdDrxErcBM4IApLPH3V8Hs58xaucKe1bM-PHxTpJhD6g/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel.deb?download&psid=1 |
| 22:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | GRRR |
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| 22:29.09 | Venemo | why don't you just click on the dl link in the browser and dl it? |
| 22:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | just because it's easier to click THAT^^^ link |
| 22:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | forget it |
| 22:30.32 | Venemo | heh |
| 22:30.35 | Venemo | did you succeed? |
| 22:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | installation not possible: missing: libqt4-*foo*bar |
| 22:30.48 | Venemo | what is foo and bar? |
| 22:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | also libqtm-sensors |
| 22:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | foo=core|dbus|gui|maemo5|xml |
| 22:31.40 | Venemo | you don't have any of libqt4? |
| 22:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.2 |
| 22:31.50 | Venemo | nah |
| 22:31.53 | Venemo | you should have them |
| 22:31.58 | Venemo | just 4.6 |
| 22:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 22:32.09 | Venemo | which is binary compatible with 4.7... |
| 22:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | but you're rdepending on >=4.7.0-git735737834875147852346366046745 |
| 22:32.39 | Venemo | okay |
| 22:32.59 | Venemo | I'll make you a version that depends on 4.6 |
| 22:33.19 | Venemo | but it'll be less fun without libqtm-sensors |
| 22:33.29 | Venemo | why don't you upgrade to 1.3? |
| 22:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | because |
| 22:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | there's no way back |
| 22:34.09 | Venemo | and? |
| 22:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | and? if anything I *need* doesn't work anymore as expected under 1.3 then I'm screwed |
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| 22:35.09 | DocScrutinizer | otoh 1.3 has nothing I *need* right now |
| 22:35.16 | Venemo | mkay, no worries |
| 22:36.40 | Venemo | hm. |
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| 22:37.05 | Venemo | the DNS of my domain is directed to the new name servers, but still I get a "not found" when I try to access it from a browser |
| 22:37.33 | SpeedEvil | you have to wait for it to proagate |
| 22:37.35 | SpeedEvil | rop |
| 22:37.44 | iluminator101 | venemo this is the file type Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: RAR archive data, v14, os: Win32 |
| 22:38.00 | Venemo | RAR archive data? interesting |
| 22:38.25 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: but I can ping it |
| 22:38.42 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: pinging it goes to the correct IP |
| 22:38.43 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: url? |
| 22:38.53 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: http://venemo.net |
| 22:39.07 | SpeedEvil | I get a IIS 404 |
| 22:39.12 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: it gives a generic IIS 404, yes |
| 22:39.16 | DocScrutinizer | RAR isn't mp3 though, is it? |
| 22:39.22 | iluminator101 | its an mp3 but more details says Audio file with ID3 version 2.3.0, contains: RAR archive data, v14, os: Win32 |
| 22:39.24 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: meaning the hosting guy screwed something up |
| 22:39.33 | SpeedEvil | so there is a webserver at that address, which doesn't know it's supposed to be serving for that name |
| 22:39.40 | SpeedEvil | I think |
| 22:39.55 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: yeah, but I added the domain to the control panel, so it whould work... |
| 22:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | if it were a true mp3 (not sth somebody renamed to .mp3) then it would be playable |
| 22:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: there's a package codecs-extra or similar, in any of the repositories |
| 22:42.21 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: btw what do you use on 1.2 that you're not sure if it works on 1.3? |
| 22:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | you could install and try to playback, it might know how to deal with that format |
| 22:42.48 | iluminator101 | DocScrutinizer, I have that |
| 22:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | quite some bits. e.g. the fix for NK-enter vs proper <CR>, in xterm |
| 22:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: it's some weird file format, not really a *.mp3 |
| 22:44.08 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what does this mean? |
| 22:44.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I mean, NK enter vs <CR> ? |
| 22:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: this means with that lib installed I can hit the CR button on N900 to fire a less /search |
| 22:45.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: by CR you mean the enter button, right? |
| 22:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | and several other cmdline programs that don't really work with this nonsensical NumericKeaypad-Eneter |
| 22:46.29 | DocScrutinizer | yay, Numeric-Keypad-Enter |
| 22:46.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: why not simply remap it in the X keymap? |
| 22:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | because that doesn't work |
| 22:46.50 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 22:47.22 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: for my usecase, remapping works fine. I can input all of the Hungarian accented characters with Fn key combos |
| 22:47.38 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I'm building you a "DocScrutinizer Edition" of the app :P |
| 22:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | but generally speaking I don't bother to look into my crystal ball to tell which app or lib or bugfix will break on pr1.3 |
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| 22:49.11 | Venemo | understandable |
| 22:51.08 | Venemo | hm |
| 22:51.14 | Venemo | what is the MIME type for .deb? |
| 22:51.30 | PhonicUK | application/x-deb |
| 22:52.01 | Venemo | ookay |
| 22:52.04 | Venemo | Doc, it works now |
| 22:52.13 | PhonicUK | btw hi everyone :) |
| 22:52.41 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel.deb |
| 22:52.53 | Venemo | PhonicUK: good evening :) |
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| 22:53.18 | PhonicUK | btw while I'm about, can anyone help me with a PR 1.3 problem? |
| 22:53.24 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I removed the libqtm dependency, plus linked against libqt4 (>=4.6.0) |
| 22:53.30 | PhonicUK | the Wifi is misbehaving, for some reason it can't seem to get an IP address |
| 22:53.37 | PhonicUK | but everything else on the wireless is fine |
| 22:53.44 | Venemo | PhonicUK: isn't it a router-related problem? |
| 22:53.49 | PhonicUK | nope, the router is fine |
| 22:54.02 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: try the link, tell me if it is still misbehaving |
| 22:54.08 | PhonicUK | it hands out an IP to anything else, and before I updated to 1.3 the phone was fine too |
| 22:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | still the same |
| 22:54.16 | PhonicUK | but after i reflashed, it refuses to behave |
| 22:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | >=4.7 |
| 22:54.27 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: naaah. no way |
| 22:54.33 | PhonicUK | Android on the same device can connect too |
| 22:54.37 | Venemo | moment |
| 22:55.24 | Venemo | PhonicUK: is this error specific to a wireless, or your N900 fails to receive an IP on any wireless? |
| 22:55.43 | PhonicUK | not sure, not got any other networks to try with |
| 22:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: please set a marker in packet description, so I can tell it actually uses the downloaded version and not any cached one |
| 22:56.05 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: a marker? |
| 22:56.29 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: no, I screwed it up. |
| 22:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | a short notice, a remark, a typo, whatever |
| 22:57.12 | Venemo | okay |
| 22:59.29 | Venemo | balh |
| 22:59.32 | Venemo | this is shit |
| 22:59.48 | Venemo | I wrote to my control file libqt4-dev (>= 4.6.0) |
| 22:59.49 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, commonly known shit :-D |
| 23:00.00 | Venemo | and if I unpack the .deb, it is 4.7.0....... |
| 23:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | 9 out of 10 apps can't install with these incompatible dependencies now |
| 23:00.43 | Venemo | yes, but why does the build system cheat me? |
| 23:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
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| 23:02.00 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember X-Fade tought me the buildhost tries to always find the lowest compatible version of a dependency. MAybe that's borked. Or the 4.6 version isn't compatible to your source |
| 23:02.14 | Venemo | it is. |
| 23:02.27 | PhonicUK | aha! |
| 23:02.30 | PhonicUK | it was my router being retarded |
| 23:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | also do you actually build on buildhost? |
| 23:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | or locally? |
| 23:03.07 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: nope, I build with madde on wincrap, but if it fails, I'll boot into Linux and try there |
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| 23:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | doubts the results will differ |
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| 23:03.47 | Venemo | scratchbox's dpkg-buildpackage is a bit smarter than madde's |
| 23:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes, quite possible |
| 23:04.14 | Venemo | isn't there an option in dpkg to skip the dependency check? |
| 23:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 23:04.35 | DocScrutinizer | I installed via HAM anyway |
| 23:04.36 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i have builder made on same scripts |
| 23:04.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and it's installing using apt and therefore latest version |
| 23:04.57 | jacekowski | Venemo: yes |
| 23:05.05 | jacekowski | Venemo: --force-all |
| 23:05.14 | lardman | bloody segfaults |
| 23:05.21 | lardman | grumble, grumble |
| 23:07.55 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel_for_doc.deb try this with dpkg --force-depends or --force-all |
| 23:09.31 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that way we'll se if they're really binary compatible |
| 23:10.30 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: btw you can install Qt 4.7 on PR 1.2 |
| 23:10.52 | MohammadAG | they aren't |
| 23:11.07 | MohammadAG | PSFreedom fails to load on 1.2 |
| 23:11.14 | Venemo | hmpfh. |
| 23:11.20 | Venemo | shouldn't you be sleeping? |
| 23:11.28 | MohammadAG | woke up |
| 23:11.33 | Venemo | :( |
| 23:11.40 | MohammadAG | thought it was 6, apparently it's 1 |
| 23:11.43 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 23:12.02 | Venemo | I made a Puzzle Master version specifically for Doc |
| 23:12.18 | MohammadAG | 4.7 binaries don't work on 4.6 |
| 23:12.31 | Venemo | removed the qt mobility parts from it and specified >= 4.6.0 in the control file for qt |
| 23:12.53 | Venemo | apparently, my build system cheats and it puts >= 4.7 there regardless |
| 23:13.21 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: if you add the SDK repo on your device, you'll be able to install qt 4.7 from there. don't install anything else from there though. |
| 23:13.26 | MohammadAG | cause the libraries are 4.7.1 |
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| 23:13.52 | Venemo | MohammadAG: how can I select the 1.2 target in madde? |
| 23:14.15 | MohammadAG | you need to downgrade i tnink |
| 23:14.17 | MohammadAG | think* |
| 23:14.45 | Venemo | gah, the update removed the pr12 target! this is nonsense. |
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| 23:15.21 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: does it work with --force? |
| 23:16.04 | MohammadAG | in reality, it expects you upgraded :P |
| 23:16.14 | MohammadAG | the deb deps don't matter |
| 23:16.25 | MohammadAG | it'll say something about failing to load a lib |
| 23:16.41 | Venemo | will madde 0.6.72 build for pr1.2? |
| 23:16.55 | MohammadAG | probably not |
| 23:16.59 | Venemo | why not? |
| 23:17.03 | MohammadAG | do a |
| 23:17.06 | Venemo | it is a quite old version |
| 23:17.13 | lardman | feels immense relief at having fixed segfault, even though he doesn't quite understand how or why |
| 23:17.27 | MohammadAG | mad apt-get install libqt4-dev=4.6.2 or whatever the version was |
| 23:17.55 | Venemo | MohammadAG: there's no apt in madde. |
| 23:18.15 | MohammadAG | sighs |
| 23:18.19 | GAN900 | Why are there no FOSS retail solutions that don't suck. . . . |
| 23:18.33 | Venemo | it would be great if DocScrutinizer would actually tell us what the result was |
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| 23:20.40 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer sucks. |
| 23:20.44 | GAN900 | Wait, what result? |
| 23:21.12 | Venemo | if he is able to install that package with --force-depends or not |
| 23:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | result: collapse on load game, no tab-expansion in shell on puz<tab> and Puz<tab>, so no further info |
| 23:21.52 | Venemo | thx |
| 23:21.54 | Aranel | MohammadAG: just wanted to say: your mediaplayer replacement looks awesome :) I hope to see it working. |
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| 23:21.56 | MohammadAG | LOL back to this |
| 23:22.09 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: well then MohammadAG was right. |
| 23:22.14 | MohammadAG | Aranel, thanks :D |
| 23:22.28 | spiritd | Aranel which one? |
| 23:22.28 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: it is located in /opt/puzzle-master/ |
| 23:22.31 | MohammadAG | Venemo, i think he's complaining it's not in $PATH |
| 23:22.36 | spiritd | send me some screenshots :) |
| 23:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: please read backscroll |
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| 23:23.01 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I read it, interesting |
| 23:23.11 | Aranel | spiritd: that one: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66275&page=10 |
| 23:23.32 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: does the /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master binary exist? |
| 23:23.42 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
| 23:23.57 | Venemo | could you please check it? |
| 23:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | do you need to know? |
| 23:24.04 | Aranel | spiritd: It's open-source and already supports portait mode it seems. Even dreaming about the possibilities makes me happy :) |
| 23:24.12 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: ok, never mind |
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| 23:24.40 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ll /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master |
| 23:24.42 | DocScrutinizer | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 615687 2010-12-18 00:03 /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master |
| 23:25.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what happens when you run that? |
| 23:25.31 | Ken-Young | Does anyone know of a way to export the list of Internet Radio Stations from the Maemo 5 media player as, for example, an ASCII file? |
| 23:25.39 | DocScrutinizer | the same? |
| 23:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | aaaah, you ask me to tell you what results my arsing around with invoking binaries from shell that aren't ever meant to get invoked that way will give? :-P |
| 23:27.06 | Venemo | ok, never mind |
| 23:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master: symbol lookup error: /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master: undefined symbol: _ZN9QListData11detach_growEPii |
| 23:27.34 | Venemo | nice! :D |
| 23:27.34 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 23:27.48 | MohammadAG | that's the error i get/got |
| 23:28.09 | MohammadAG | (when running 4.7 bins with 4.6.2 libs) |
| 23:28.12 | Venemo | so it seems that binaries linked to 4.6 will run on 4.7, but it won't work in the opposite direction |
| 23:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: I won't do that another time. Include a symlink from /usr/bin/puzzle to /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master |
| 23:29.01 | MohammadAG | it's x86/64 all over again |
| 23:29.04 | MohammadAG | no wait... |
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| 23:29.25 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: ok, don't worry. I'll make a binary for you that's linked against 4.6 |
| 23:29.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, do symlinks take some kbs? |
| 23:29.49 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 23:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | they take exactly one block |
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| 23:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | if your linked path isn't like 700chars |
| 23:31.06 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: so you're saying that I should make a symlink to /usr/bin? |
| 23:31.11 | MohammadAG | luckily I had a shell script for hen :P |
| 23:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:31.18 | MohammadAG | otherwise you would've killed me |
| 23:31.51 | SpeedEvil | They don't take one block - they take one directory entry. |
| 23:31.59 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:32.09 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: will 'ln -s /opt/puzzle-master/puzzle-master /usr/bin/' in the postinst do the trick? |
| 23:32.18 | MohammadAG | wonders if DocScrutinizer noticed that /usr/bin/hostmode is a shell script and not a symlink |
| 23:32.19 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: one inode, no? |
| 23:32.22 | MohammadAG | yes Venemo |
| 23:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I noticed that |
| 23:32.51 | SpeedEvil | I realised as I wrote that that I don't actually know if they're stored in the directory inode |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I even watched when it got suggested to do it that way |
| 23:33.11 | jacekowski | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1kGmOhzWQ |
| 23:33.28 | SpeedEvil | I thought they took up space in df -i - but not in df |
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| 23:33.45 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, aren't symlinks better? |
| 23:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 23:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | don't ask me on what. Maybe on your mod on day of creation |
| 23:34.29 | DocScrutinizer | mood |
| 23:35.01 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 23:35.23 | SpeedEvil | yeah - ln -s jfkjfd fdkjdkjf |
| 23:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | generally a script will add a useless process, unless you do something useful in script (then it's not useless), or you do exec (then there's no new process) |
| 23:35.32 | SpeedEvil | df -i goes down by one, df doesn't change |
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| 23:35.40 | alterego | Say I'm writing a contact web front end, if I use an evolution backend to store contact information, would it be easy at a later date to integrated MS Outlook/Exchange? |
| 23:35.46 | SpeedEvil | (ext3) |
| 23:35.53 | alterego | ~integrate .. |
| 23:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | a shell script works on fs that don't know links (FAT?), but also is slower and eats more memory |
| 23:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | possibly lots more |
| 23:37.14 | DocScrutinizer | mem, not storage |
| 23:37.18 | SpeedEvil | It's quite light on busybox |
| 23:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:37.31 | SpeedEvil | But FAT doesn't do executables |
| 23:37.39 | SpeedEvil | typically on maemo |
| 23:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | it could |
| 23:37.46 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: here you go: http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel_for_doc_1.2.deb |
| 23:38.07 | Venemo | it also makes a symlink for you |
| 23:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | so deb it or HAM it? |
| 23:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. do I need --force-foo? |
| 23:38.48 | SpeedEvil | That connection stalls out |
| 23:38.50 | Venemo | whatever works. this is now linked against 4.6 |
| 23:38.57 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:38.57 | SpeedEvil | local net issues |
| 23:38.58 | Venemo | you shouldn't need force |
| 23:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | so clicking the link should be fine :-) |
| 23:39.13 | Venemo | yes, it should |
| 23:39.28 | MohammadAG | stabs HAM |
| 23:40.23 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: I don't have another N900 with 1.2 to test it on, but unpacking the deb now tells it needs 4.6.2, and it works on my 1.3 N900 |
| 23:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | missing: libqtm-sensors |
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| 23:40.37 | Venemo | naaaa |
| 23:40.44 | Venemo | no way |
| 23:40.55 | MohammadAG | heh |
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| 23:41.01 | MohammadAG | shlibs:depends? |
| 23:41.18 | Venemo | hmpfh |
| 23:41.20 | SpeedEvil | dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of puzzle-master: |
| 23:41.20 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.21 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:41.29 | Venemo | how the hell did that slip in there? |
| 23:42.01 | Venemo | okay |
| 23:42.04 | Venemo | I'll do one more try |
| 23:42.23 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: yeah, it's getting more nice every time |
| 23:44.01 | DocScrutinizer | ""#include mathlib //it could be useful eventually"" |
| 23:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:45.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: http://venemo.net/puzzle-master_1.0.0_armel_for_doc_round3.deb |
| 23:45.19 | Venemo | should be totally pr1.2-proof now |
| 23:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | actually, this comment was triggered by me thinking about loading libqtm-sensors on runtime, and check if that fails |
| 23:46.16 | Venemo | well it doesn't acutally use that lib, just forgot to take out one more occurrence from the control file |
| 23:46.29 | Venemo | anyway, try the last link, that should be okay |
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| 23:47.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | curses apt-worker |
| 23:47.48 | Venemo | ~nuke apt-worker |
| 23:47.48 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at apt-worker ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 23:47.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | HELL wonder if it ever finishes |
| 23:48.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | YEAH, now try again |
| 23:48.49 | Venemo | umm? |
| 23:49.25 | MohammadAG | killall apt-worker fixes that for me |
| 23:49.43 | MohammadAG | then i replaced it with a shell script |
| 23:49.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | NICE :-) |
| 23:49.57 | MohammadAG | echo "fuck off HAM" = no more CPU usage |
| 23:50.18 | Venemo | hmm... how interesting... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=892288#post892288 |
| 23:51.54 | MohammadAG | likes MeeGo again |
| 23:52.01 | MohammadAG | SGX makes it pleasant to use |
| 23:52.18 | MohammadAG | videos rotate in meego |
| 23:52.28 | Venemo | nice |
| 23:52.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: does the stuff work now? :) |
| 23:52.46 | MohammadAG | though the samples were 240p :P |
| 23:52.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | I ROCK! |
| 23:53.01 | Venemo | :) |
| 23:53.05 | MohammadAG | no, you scrutinize |
| 23:53.15 | Venemo | according to Puzzle Master, he rocks |
| 23:54.01 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: you can change the difficulty (puzzle size) in menu/settings if you get bored by the default one |
| 23:54.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: VERY nice |
| 23:54.07 | Venemo | thx DocScrutinizer51 |
| 23:55.19 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: oh, and I left the accelerometer option in the settings ui, but it won't do anything for you since I removed the relevant code to make it work on 1.2 |
| 23:55.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | Venemo: yes |
| 23:55.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | 4*4 |
| 23:56.41 | Venemo | I play with 5Ã5 nowadays |
| 23:57.32 | Venemo | I guess the very difficult ones require the stylus |
| 23:57.54 | MohammadAG | still tries to use multitouch |
| 23:57.59 | Venemo | :D |
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| 23:58.26 | Venemo | was actually thinking about using the multitouch API for capable harware |
| 23:58.35 | Scor| | hello |
| 23:58.38 | Venemo | hello Scor| |
| 23:58.45 | MohammadAG | sends Venemo a Qt-less iPhone |
| 23:59.00 | Venemo | MohammadAG: nah. I'm talking about N8, C6, and E7 |
| 23:59.09 | MohammadAG | i know :P |
| 23:59.23 | Scor| | is this good place to ask question about usb networking between n900 and linux box ? |
| 23:59.30 | Venemo | Scor|: yes, it is |
| 23:59.37 | Venemo | Scor|: what's your question? |
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| 23:59.47 | Scor| | i kinda worked it out already, but have some minor deails to polish |
