IRC log for #maemo on 20101216

00:02.00lcuklardman|gone, i miss vb collections :P
00:02.34MohammadAGmorning Termana
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00:12.48pupnikminitube is broken here... it plays a few seconds then skips to the next video
00:13.09pupnikis mytube working again?  alternatives?
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00:35.57Psianyone used a 32gb microsd card in the n900?
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00:39.36pupnikprobably
00:41.41MohammadAGpupnik, cuteTube
00:46.33pupnikty MohammadAG
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01:41.18DocScrutinizerpupnik: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/common/optimized.c#line193   #line211  and a special goodie: #line369,370
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01:59.05MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, technically, if I compile a zImage with the same patchset as a different one, shouldn't modules load fine?
02:00.00DocScrutinizerumm, yes?
02:00.38DocScrutinizerdon't they?
02:01.31DocScrutinizeras long as kernel is technically same patchlevel and has same version-magic
02:02.06MohammadAGk, now I'm certain meego has a fail repo system
02:02.18DocScrutinizerhaha
02:02.35MohammadAGI applied patches, first of all the modem failed to get patched, second, the lp5whatever.h file was missing
02:03.08MohammadAGand of course, no instructions on how to build a kernel, only cryptic messages in a .spec file
02:03.14MohammadAGyou need to figure out the rest yourself
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02:05.33MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, have a look at it http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-os-base/kernel-source/trees/master
02:06.47DocScrutinizeryou think I need some more to feel depressed? Not really
02:07.14DocScrutinizerbtw gitorious is slow like tmo
02:07.27MohammadAGgitorious is fine
02:07.29DocScrutinizereven gave a "GURU ERROR:" pfffft
02:07.35MohammadAGlol
02:07.48MohammadAGworking fine for me, weird
02:08.00DocScrutinizergot better since an hour
02:08.46MohammadAGfunny thing is, you ask for help in #meego, and everybody's too busy to help
02:09.04MohammadAGso, they open sourced the OS, and ruined the documentation
02:09.46DocScrutinizerAHAAAA! the missing documentation - now everything becomes clear and bright: http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-modules-meego/blobs/master/src/voice/module-meego-voice.c#line313
02:10.30MohammadAGwhy is each line commented out with a /* */?
02:10.35MohammadAG// is enough :/
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02:11.43derfSome of us still believe C++ comments in C are heresey.
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02:12.20ieatlintyes, reject c99... c89 is the only true c
02:12.31derfI will also accept ISO C90.
02:12.41ieatlinti suspect that can be turned into a t-shirt
02:13.17derfOf course, the real problem is that MSVC still doesn't support C99, though it does support that particular feature.
02:13.34ieatlintheh, so does gcc in c89 mode
02:14.32DocScrutinizerREM we need 17 more different methods to make lines a comment
02:14.41DocScrutinizer# don't you think so?
02:15.28DocScrutinizer.     *    maybe even COBOL style as well
02:16.00ieatlintsounds like a fantastic idea
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03:37.22Jay_BEEhi.
03:37.48comawhitehi
03:43.23comawhitemobile develop is complex
03:43.58FauxFauxHow did you know Jay_BEE was going to ask if mobile development was easy?!
03:44.28Jay_BEEuhh...
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05:28.36comawhiteFauxFaux, that wasn't meant for Jay_BEE
05:28.49comawhiteI was just saying it because I'm frustrated at it
05:29.22Jay_BEEi believe FauxFaux was having fun
05:29.38comawhitehehe
05:29.55comawhiteugh I wish they'd update cmake to 2.8
05:29.57comawhite:(
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05:41.02ieatlintoooh, google just taught me a new word... "penultimate" .. now i can sound even more bombastic
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06:41.10slonopotamusso, there is dbus activation that startups services ondemand. now, is there dbus DEactivation so service will stop when nobody it connected to it via dbus?
06:41.52slonopotamusmorning, btw
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06:53.50slonopotamusother question -- anyone knows threaded mail reader for n900? :)
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07:50.40alteregoI think thp's blog post is a bit off. What core apps use Qt? I can't think of one that would require backwards maintainability.
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08:02.45DocScrutinizer51waves. bbl
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08:41.08Termana114 tabs, 4.6 vaccinations provided, 11.4 books donated, 0.6 person's clean water provided, 1.1 square feet of shelter provided and 11.4 trees planted
08:41.16TermanaFeel the burn of my chrome for a cause
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09:10.56thpalterego: i'm not talking about core apps requiring qt - do i?
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09:12.52thp..or backwards maintainability for that matter.
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09:17.01ebzzryIs there a way to send mail from the command line on Maemo 5?
09:18.27spiritdhttp://www.simplehelp.net/2008/12/01/how-to-send-email-from-the-linux-command-line/
09:18.29spiritd?
09:18.31spiritddunno
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09:23.40ebzzryspiritd: Sorry, no. That's not it.
09:24.49ieatlintyou can use dbus to create a new email and fill in the recipient, subject, body (and attach any files)... but would require pressing the send button still
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09:32.02alteregothp: seemed like it, with the mention of a qt legacy package. I can't see the use if all packages that use it are open.
09:38.37ebzzryieatlint: where can I get more information on that?
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09:39.06ieatlintum, i think it's on the wiki... will check
09:39.16ieatlintif not, i have an old piece of code i can probably find where i did it
09:39.58ieatlinthttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Messaging has a very basic example
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10:00.43user____DocScrutinizer51: apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade apt but it doesn't work. sorry forgot to mention that :)
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10:02.31DocScrutinizer51probably apt-get upgrade no good idea anyway
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10:03.06user____DocScrutinizer51: apt is the only package left
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10:24.49Venemohi guys
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10:37.56spiritdwhere can I download official firmware for n900 with EN localization
10:39.13jacekowski~flashing
10:39.13infobotsomebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
10:39.17jacekowskiall links are there
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10:43.43spiritdjacekowski thx
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10:57.29Khertan_Morning everyone !
10:59.04pupnikservus Khertan_
11:01.05Khertan_servus humillimus Domine spectabilis pupnik
11:02.04chem|stgorillapod mobile works!
11:02.30pupnikty, learned something today
11:05.02MohammadAGmorning
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11:07.40RST38hhttp://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html
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11:10.20Venemomorning MohammadAG :)
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11:12.25RobbieThe1stRST38h: That's surprisingly funny
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11:15.09pexiare there applications that will make n900 act as a bluetooth keyboard & mouse remote controlling htpc/ps3?
11:15.27pexilike logitech dinovo
11:15.31pexi+mini
11:15.38MohammadAGmorning Venemo :)
11:15.45retro|czWhere I should copy jazz jackrabit files on NOKIA N900 (openjazz) ?
11:15.54retro|czTried everything :(
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11:15.59pexihttp://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848
11:16.25VenemoMohammadAG: interested in the latest version?
11:16.28lcukpexi, bluemaemo afaik
11:16.30pexiofc dinovo is great but also in price :)
11:16.40retro|czhttp://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/wolf3d/ - copy files to MyDocs
11:16.51retro|czI have no folder MyDocs on Nokia N900 :(
11:17.33marmouteretro|cz: because your n900 is plugged
11:17.50retro|czmarmoute, so how can I copy files there ?
11:17.58pexilcuk, thanks
11:17.58retro|czmarmoute, using USB cabel to copy
11:18.09MohammadAGVenemo, sure :)
11:18.12pexisadly no win media center support
11:18.51VenemoMohammadAG: ok, moment :)
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11:22.59pexioh. media center version works
11:23.00pexigreat
11:23.02pexi:)
11:23.37Khertan_MohammadAG: did you have a patched version of MfE which works with gmail email ?
11:23.38Khertan_:)
11:23.55MohammadAGisn't MfE closed? :P
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11:24.03marmouteretro|cz: the MyDocs director is the one mounted
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11:24.17Khertan_MohammadAG: maybe
11:24.18Khertan_:(
11:24.20phellarvMohammadAG: Like that has stopped you before ;-P
11:24.29retro|czmarmoute, ok
11:24.45Khertan_MohammadAG: so maybe time to start an open source implementation working with modest ?
11:24.47Khertan_:)
11:25.11MohammadAGmediaplayer's OSS implementation in progress :P
11:25.20MohammadAGremoves the 's
11:25.20Khertan_grrr i got a sync error, nothing visible in modest, but got email notification
11:25.38MohammadAGuses Nokia Messaging tbh
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11:47.42RST38h"Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed "
11:49.13pupnikwow, http://blog.mises.org/13673/using-the-mises-catalog-with-android/
11:54.24RST38h?
11:54.48Venemoalterego: ping
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11:55.42xMolatzen_duxhi
11:55.56Venemohello
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12:04.02X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes, it works :)
12:04.23MohammadAGX-Fade, lol
12:04.37MohammadAGX-Fade, push email? :P
12:04.47pupnikRST38h: they have been open-sourcing economics books for 10 years
12:05.02pupnikmaking deals with publishers, copyright holders
12:05.16MohammadAGX-Fade, assuming I had no typos, this should launch a terminal the dbus way
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12:09.41MohammadAGX-Fade, shouldn't it have imported the package by now?
12:11.10trxwhere should i look for keyboard hooks, i want to simulate Fn button being pressed all the time in my app...
12:11.14trxany idea?
12:11.41MohammadAGcan't you just use normal key codes?
12:12.23MohammadAGif so, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=650625&postcount=5
12:12.34trxyes, but im incapable of setting the "shift" state to pressed all the time
12:13.15trxhmm
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12:13.22trxfor Fn button key code i got 228
12:13.35trx(the blue arrow)
12:13.59MohammadAGno longer have the binary to check :P
12:14.14trxdoesnt matter anyways
12:14.20trxi can detect it being pressed
12:14.30trxthe problem is
12:14.57trxmy text field (gtk based) doesnt behave like other programs
12:15.00trxkeyboar wise
12:15.28trxeg, when you pres the blue arrow once, next key u press will be like u were holding the arrow
12:15.39trxin my text field
12:15.47trxyou have to hold the arrow and press the key
12:16.11trxso im trying to simulate that behavior manualy...
12:16.21trxsorry for my english btw...
12:16.44trx(and my general typing :P)
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12:23.36MohammadAGhildon.Entry?
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12:40.45MohammadAGwasn't there a way to hide a desktop icon?
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12:48.29trxMohammadAG tried adding NoDisplay=true in .desktop file?
12:48.44MohammadAGyeah, already found it
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13:07.54trx[13:25] <MohammadAG> hildon.Entry? nope, a custom memo box called SynEdit
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13:10.17MohammadAGtrx, why custom?
13:11.09trxbecause it supports code highlighting, code folding, macros, etc..
13:11.45trxvery powerfull..
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13:12.09trxu will see my app as soon as i figure out how to pack a .deb file :/
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13:12.33trxim new to linux programming
13:13.47pupnikforget the deb, share a tarball
13:14.37trxok
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13:15.01pupniki'm just suggesting it :_
13:15.14pupnikof course normal users want a .deb
13:15.20johndoanybody knows if there have power settings changed in pr1.3?
13:15.47johndomy device consumes twice the power when it's idle since i upgraded to 1.3
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13:16.53johndowith 1.2 i lost about 10% battery per day when idle and now at least 20% :(
13:16.56trxpupnik yeah, ill give u a link, just to check it out it is in dev stage, i plan to add alot more options
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13:19.38trxhttp://www.devbin.org/txpad.tar.gz
13:19.59trxif anyone wants to check it out so far..
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13:23.05pupnikcongrats trx
13:23.59trxty
13:24.50lcuktrx, how does it perform compared to pygtkedit? (which has afaik an editing widget which is c based and does what yours does, or similar at least)
13:25.24trxi havent really tested pygtkedit much
13:26.09trxi wanted to create an ui which would be similar to ui i am used to
13:26.23trxlike delphi's code editor
13:27.01MohammadAGlcuk, and it uses a normal hildon widget afaik
13:27.10trxand add things that would speed up my work..
13:27.43lcuktrx, of course
13:28.08lcukMohammadAG, it might do, but its been customised up to do code layout and afaik colorizing
13:28.11lcukask Khertan_
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13:28.53MohammadAGlcuk, yep, I know, I use it ;)
13:29.16MohammadAGlcuk, actually, switched to Khteditor, kinda snappier
13:29.42lcuksure, i was just mentioning like for like though
13:30.43libbenfrals: Isnt fmms supposed to connect to internet like the most other apps do when you tap on a new incomming mms?
13:30.53libbennow i have to activate it manually first
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13:32.16comawhitewould it be wrong to have some parts of my application require portrait mode while others use Landscape?
13:33.45SpeedEvilno
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13:33.55SpeedEvilIf it's appropriate to the interface, it's just fine IMO.
13:34.05MohammadAGmorning javispedro
13:34.07SpeedEvilYou probably want to consider if there are ways round it
13:34.43javispedromorning
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13:35.58Venemo_N900morning javispedro
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13:37.14comawhiteSpeedEvil, yeah, because I will have some views there just display a list of items that the user can select. see the server list, channel list, user list and thought it'd be better to display it using Portrait rather than Landscape for it
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13:37.30comawhiteAnd wondered if user's be annoyed at that
13:39.50javispedroyes, they will be annoyed, but they bought a n900 so they will be used to being annoyed already.
13:40.11comawhitejavispedro, hahah
13:40.26comawhiteI guess I could always make it use both
13:42.05comawhitebut now i'm going to try and get some more sleep
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13:45.26camerishi. does somebody know of an gnupg2 port for the n810?
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13:51.12camerisis gnupg2 available for n810? only know that it is for n900.
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13:52.32javispedrosighs
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13:54.26RST38hEHLO javispedro
13:55.43javispedroheya
13:55.49alteregotest & vote please :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/
13:55.59MohammadAGwhat do I get in return?
13:56.19javispedroa botsnacK!
13:56.25alteregoMohammadAG: you ow me :P
13:56.30alteregoowe .. :P
13:56.42MohammadAGyou're right lol
13:56.44alteregobbl
13:56.46MohammadAGalterego, does it work?
13:56.58RST38hAn XBox360 maybe?
13:57.04MohammadAGactually
13:57.07alteregoyeah, see tmo thread for possible issues
13:57.09MohammadAGsince I'm against testing's policy
13:57.16MohammadAGImma vote up
13:57.22MohammadAGothers said it works
13:57.27alteregomainly "buttons too small"
13:57.53javispedrohah. "A method of operating a video game box via a wireless transceiver" is now patented.
13:57.53MohammadAGvoted based on others' opinions :P
13:58.09alteregoFine for me I may rejig iface for 1.1 ...
13:58.23MohammadAGthe N900's IR isn't a transceiver, see what I did there?
13:58.30alteregokthxbye bbl
13:58.37MohammadAGlol
13:58.53javispedrofscked patent system
13:59.05javispedroGranted December 7, 2010
13:59.07javispedrosighs
14:02.57javispedrosighs and sighs
14:03.06javispedro4 times in half an hour.
14:03.08javispedrobad day...
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14:05.24GAN900What?
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14:06.11javispedroGAN900: I just shouldn't have read tmo today ;)
14:06.40GAN900Haha
14:06.49GAN900That's ALWAYS true.
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14:09.52johndois there anywhere an archive of older maemo packages available?
14:10.20johndoneed the previous version of htop
14:10.28jacekowskinope
14:10.30jacekowskiit's gone
14:10.39johndobummer
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14:11.00MohammadAGsource sould be there
14:11.27RST38hjavispedro: Check out this one instead: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html
14:11.47RST38hjavispedro: And this: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html
14:12.15javispedrolols at the second headline
14:12.59javispedrobookmarks
14:13.15javispedrowho is behind it? onion news network should hire him
14:13.49SpeedEvilRST38h: :) I wrote a haskel program once.
14:15.39Khertan_lcuk, MohammadAG ?
14:15.51MohammadAG?
14:16.12Khertan_you say my nickname but i didn't have the historic :)
14:16.35MohammadAGoh, <lcuk> trx, how does it perform compared to pygtkedit? (which has afaik an editing widget which is c based and does what yours does, or similar at least)
14:17.22javispedroLeague Of Java Programmers For Deprecating The Living Shit Out Of Everything
14:17.23Khertan_oh :)
14:17.46MohammadAGdoes anyone know how to open a file with its default handler from terminal?
14:17.49Khertan_Hum ... PyGTKEditor 2.x use a c widget ... 3.x do it in python only :)
14:18.07MohammadAGa hildon widget right?
14:18.10MohammadAGor is it custom?
14:19.10MohammadAGwonders when wikileaks will hold Maemo 5's source code
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14:19.28Khertan_hildon widget ... TextArea ... if i remember well and coloration highlighting is done with python and gtk.TextArea methods
14:19.30javispedroMohammadAG: s:/source code/documentation/
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14:20.24RST38hjavispedro: yea, it does look like an Onion-Technology piece =)
14:21.28MohammadAGjavispedro, when you have the source code, why do you care about docs?
14:21.44javispedrobecause docs sounds more surrealist
14:21.50javispedroand thus more likely to happen =)
14:23.02MohammadAGjavispedro, and if the docs don't exist?
14:23.22MohammadAGisn't the gamecube as powerful as a PS2? sorta?
14:23.35javispedroMohammadAG: feel free to laugh at the thread.
14:23.44javispedroMohammadAG: the NGC is slightly more powerful.
14:24.06MohammadAGhahahaha
14:24.08MohammadAGthere :P
14:24.19javispedroMohammadAG: I mean at the NGC emulator request thread =)
14:24.25MohammadAGI know
14:24.33MohammadAGthat's why I asked about ti :P
14:24.35MohammadAGit*
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14:25.59javispedronotes it is SDL GL so it would probably run as is if built under sbox and run under preenv
14:26.29MohammadAGjavispedro, 600MHz aren't enough to run it
14:26.33javispedroso someone could build it, report it goes up to 11111^12 fps
14:26.41javispedroMohammadAG: I know
14:26.50javispedrothen release it, post a faked video, get some press.
14:27.01javispedroand watch the desesperate lemmings
14:27.08javispedrowants some revenge today
14:27.11MohammadAGthen a C&D
14:28.17lardmananyone know how to remove arrays in a QSettings object?
14:28.47lardmanjust wondering if remove()ing the base name will remove the entire array
14:29.01javispedro"OMG! Gamecube on my N900! But it runs out of memory before the first frame! But it works on the video! So that means I just need to overclock more to get it to work!!"
14:29.22chem|stinsurance comp. wants me to ship in "all" my n900 periferals with the device, or they will charge a discount on the returning
14:29.28MohammadAGhttp://www.engadget.com/2010/12/16/nokia-ups-the-ante-on-apple-adds-13-more-patents-to-the-24-alre
14:29.33MohammadAGjavispedro, RST38h ^
14:29.45chem|stthose companies suck
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14:30.20chem|stwhat they gonna do with the stuff? sell it on ebay? or even bin it?
14:31.09johndois there any equivalent of the build-essential package on maemo?
14:31.50javispedronope
14:32.01javispedroon the sdk you have maemo-sdk-dev but it is way larger
14:32.30johndosdk is a bit overkill only to build a package from source
14:32.36MohammadAGI thought there was a build-essential package
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14:32.55javispedroyou want to build a package ON device?
14:33.34johndojavispedro: what do you mean? i want to compile it from source
14:33.38javispedroMohammadAG: you are right indeed. in SDK too.
14:33.40MohammadAGhas an on-device SDK
14:33.42javispedros/too/only
14:33.46jacekowskijohndo: then you need SDK
14:33.53jacekowskijohndo: scratchbox is a minimum you need
14:34.01MohammadAGwould share it, but Nokia legal might rape my ass
14:34.13jacekowskiMohammadAG: does it fit?
14:34.28jacekowskihmm, you have that extended /home
14:34.42MohammadAG-rw-r--r--    1 user     root    1073741824 Oct 18 01:35 /home/user/MyDocs/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2
14:35.05MohammadAGsimple chroot
14:35.05javispedroor use a partition on sdk card
14:35.07javispedro*sd
14:35.29MohammadAGprefers to keep everything under one image
14:35.53MohammadAGI asked X-Fade to ping them, not sure if he did though
14:36.17RST38hMohammadAG: remember how SCO moved from Technology to Litigation sector and how it went? =)
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14:39.56johndojacekowski: scratchbox is only available for pc, not for the n900?
14:40.31jacekowskiyep
14:40.37jacekowskiyou can download all -dev packages
14:40.39jacekowskiand gcc
14:40.48johndoso i can't compile a package on the n900??
14:40.57jacekowskidownload compiler
14:41.03jacekowskiand -dev packages
14:41.11jacekowskibut it will take quite a bit of space
14:41.19johndohmm
14:41.23Venemo_N900you can, but these things'll eat your rootfs
14:41.50johndosigh
14:41.57MohammadAGor you can make a chroot image
14:42.03MohammadAGRST38h, what's SCO? :P
14:42.04johndoi guess i have to live with that broken htop :(
14:42.22MohammadAGwhich source do you want compiled?
14:42.25SpeedEvilbroken how?
14:42.34johndohtop, previous version
14:42.39MohammadAGlink?
14:42.42johndocant change fonts anymore
14:43.09johndohttp://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/htop/htop_0.8.3-1maemo2.dsc
14:43.38SpeedEviljohndo: If downloading the compiler, I recommend enabling the tools repo, copying /' onto /home/user/chroot - or whatever - removing tools repo.
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14:43.56SpeedEvilThen chroot into that directory, and install build-essentials
14:44.22Venemo~seen Arkenoi
14:44.28infobotarkenoi is currently on #maemo, last said: 'RST38h, ah, nice thing'.
14:44.45VenemoArkenoi: ping.
14:45.01MohammadAGFailed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/htop/htop_0.8.3.orig.tar.gz  MD5Sum mismatch
14:45.32Arkenoihuh?
14:45.36johndoMohammadAG: nice :/
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14:47.21MohammadAGbuilding
14:48.02MohammadAGdone
14:48.40MohammadAGhttp://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/htop_0.8.3-1maemo2_armel.deb johndo
14:51.18johndoMohammadAG: i try it, thank you
14:51.32MohammadAGyw
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15:16.17yaccHmmm, how the &%§ does one authorize a new contact in the "Chat/SMS" non-app of the n900?
15:17.48Choomusually you get a notification asking about that
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15:59.37DocScrutinizer51yup, 3G and IRC, while riding on a train, cuts thru battery like cookies
16:02.59ShadowJKtry gsm :D
16:03.28VenemoDocScrutinizer51: yeah... experienced it myself :)
16:03.47VenemoDocScrutinizer51: however for barely covered areas, EDGE and IRC sucks the battery too
16:04.25pupnikcan irc servers cache/burst their sent data?
16:04.36pupniktha twould help a lot
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16:04.56pupnikuser settable from 2-20 seconds for e.g.
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16:07.11DocScrutinizer51pupnik: *somebody* was developing sth like that. I planned to patch my ZNC same way, but haven't got to it yet
16:08.13DocScrutinizer51even 45s would be fine. 2s absolutely worthless with UMTS
16:08.33MohammadAGIRC checks for data every 2s?
16:08.44DocScrutinizer51nah
16:09.07MohammadAGusually lags 15s, so he'd be fine with 15s bursts
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16:09.24DocScrutinizer51IRC sends data packets at arbitrary points in time
16:10.20pupnikDocScrutinizer51 thanks, i didn't think of doing it on my own machine
16:10.41DocScrutinizer51UMTS stays active for quite some seconds after transfer
16:10.50pupnikahhh
16:11.28pupnikto get fancy, your proxy should reduce the cache time when you're typing and increase it if you're idle
16:11.54DocScrutinizer51yep
16:12.04dnearyHi
16:12.05DocScrutinizer51was on my specs
16:12.12dnearyAnyone find my hand-off email useful?
16:12.37dnearyFelt like it was redundant, since most of the stuff I've documented was done many moons ago
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16:13.35Venemo_N900dneary: what email?
16:14.05dnearyVenemo_N900, "Preparing the hand-over" on maemo-community
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16:14.16dnearyUseful information anyone interested in community docs should read
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16:14.51Venemo_N900can you give me a link?
16:17.16dnearyVenemo_N900, Ehm... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo-community+%22Preparing+the+hand-over%22&l=1
16:17.57lcukdneary, actually offering web links when discussing mail really adds context :P
16:18.27dnearylcuk, But lmgtfy is so handy!
16:18.55DocScrutinizer51nah, lmgtfy is too much overhead. can't be arsed to invoke that here in on the train, via shaky 2G
16:19.30lcukhttp://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/community/63942
16:20.06yaccDocScrutinizer51, that's why you don't enable 3G usually, especially when you know that you are far away from a recharge opportunity ;)
16:21.11DocScrutinizer51yacc: I'm far away from 3G, sitting on a mains outlet and N900 charging :-P
16:21.50yaccDocScrutinizer51: Luckily, the N900 has a changeable battery, and there are external charger for your secondary pack, ...
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16:22.23yaccAlthough, if I knew that I'll be taking a long voyage, I'd probably upgrade to 3-4 BL-5J instead of the 2 that I've got now :)
16:22.57DocScrutinizer51E here
16:23.01DocScrutinizer513
16:23.10yacclol.
16:23.47DocScrutinizer51German ICE train just fine - 230V socket on each seat
16:24.51DocScrutinizer51they even have crappy hotspot on board, for several bucks/day
16:25.10sp3000now you just need the pants with integrated chargers
16:25.53DocScrutinizer51eh: the nokia wallwart fits into my jacket pocket
16:28.46yaccDocScrutinizer: Well, the old ICEs have been all replaced then I guess.
16:29.07yaccDocScrutinizer51, that leaves only ICs with 4 outlets per couch ;)
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16:31.12DocScrutinizer51actually 2, but you hardly ever meet anybody else using even one of them
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16:40.39ShadowJKis making pants with integrated charger
16:40.47lardmanI hate QLists
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16:44.42zeenixlardman: i'm sure the feeling is mutual
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16:48.22Venemo_N900lardman: why is that?
16:48.54Venemo_N900lardman: the QLists have been nice to me so far
16:51.08MohammadAGShadowJK, that would be awesome
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16:52.42Venemo_N900~MohammadAG
16:52.42infobotit has been said that mohammadag is your father
16:52.53Venemo_N900lol
16:54.08Venemo_N900MohammadAG: why are you my father? :D
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16:54.09chem|stShadowJK: a jacket with solarcharger would be nice too
16:54.25ShadowJKNo sun this time of year :)
16:54.40ShadowJKActually I saw half of it over the trees across the lake at noon today :D
16:54.58chem|stShadowJK: doesn't matter solar chargers work on "light" not only "sun"
16:55.03SpeedEvilI want to make a proper mobile charger.
16:55.08SpeedEvilchem|st: they really don't
16:55.28SpeedEvilchem|st: Output in indirect light will typically be 1/10th or less outdoors
16:55.43SpeedEvilIndoors - not right next to a window - forget it.
16:56.02SpeedEvilProper charger - thing the size of a n900.
16:56.23Venemo_N900nah
16:56.36SpeedEvilYou open it out, then put it on hte floor, and step on it 150 times, like a car foot-pump, and it's charged, and can charge the n900
16:56.39chem|stSpeedEvil: mmh all my solar powered gadgets work when I turn on the light in my room...
16:56.44Venemo_N900just make a fusion reactor small enough to fit into the N900
16:56.57SpeedEvilchem|st: if you mean solar calculators, the amount of power they use is truly insanely small
16:57.16chem|stVenemo_N900: there are powersources you dont want to pay...
16:57.17SpeedEvilYour typical calculator will use around a microamp at 3V
16:57.29ruteis there a way to enter in all my contact from my pc and sync them to my n900? typing them in 1 by 1 is going to take forever.
16:57.29SpeedEvilerr - 1.5v
16:57.49SpeedEvilThe n900 needs around a million times this to charge
16:57.57chem|stand uses 1/4x1" solar field...
16:58.07MohammadAGVenemo_N900, I wanted it to say I AM YOUR FATHER, but it failed
16:58.14ShadowJK10%-20% of rated power when the sun is shining directly towards the panel at the correct angle, but blocked by clouds, sounds about right to me. The amount of power you'd get from just "light" is probably smaller :)
16:58.18Venemo_N900MohammadAG: hehe
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16:59.27MohammadAGdoes anyone know how to export a partition other than mmcblk0p1 via USB?
16:59.34Venemo_N900MohammadAG: but you can't be my father
16:59.38chem|stShadowJK: that's where I come from... I do not expect high grade 24.8% efficiency on a solar-jacket!
17:00.42lardmanVenemo_N900: I've got 3 lists, one containing QStrings, one containing bools and one containing ints
17:01.10lardmanthe QString and bool ones are fine, but the one containing ints changes when I pass it to other classes
17:01.19SpeedEvilhas been doing research on solar panel possibilities in scotland.
17:01.32SpeedEvilwishes that governmental incentives were sane
17:01.40chem|stbut 2 10x3" solarpanels on the shoulderpads should be enough to supply at least enough power to extend the life to some more hours!
17:01.44Venemo_N900lardman: interesting.
17:01.52lardmanzeenix: yes, I'm sure the feeling is mutual ;)
17:02.25lardmanI've been arsing about passing pointers to lists, by ref, etc., and they still change
17:03.08ShadowJKhm, N810 light meter says 5 lux in my room right now
17:03.10SpeedEvillardman: You're looking at about 6W in the hot desert sun - or maybe 1W outside in diffuse light, if lucky
17:03.30SpeedEvil5 lux is on the order of 1/100th of a watt per square meter.
17:04.28ShadowJKYeah I just figured out if it was the Sun and not CFL I'd need a 850 square meter solar panel
17:04.31ShadowJKto charge N900 :)
17:05.09ShadowJKor about 9000 square feet
17:05.27SpeedEvilThe above idea - car-footpump type - is problematic only mechanically alas.
17:05.33SpeedEvilPackaging and gearboxes are hard.
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17:05.44ShadowJKya :/
17:06.18lcuklardman, why 3 lists out of interest
17:06.23slonopotamuscan dbus service somehow detect when clients connect/disconnect to it?
17:06.33lcukare they holding different aspects of the same set of objects
17:06.47lardmanyeah name, priority and whether it's enabled
17:06.52lcukie each object has a {string,int,bool}
17:06.53spiritdquick question... i have new N900... should I install latest firmware if i want use devel packages like aircrack, hostmode, etc.?
17:07.11lardmanI thought this would be a quick and dirty way to test before moving onto incorporate that data in the plugins themselves
17:10.28DocScrutinizer51lcuk: I suggested that yesterday
17:10.58lardmanI thought it would be finished yesterday too!
17:12.00DocScrutinizer51spiritd: h-e-n hostmode will install all it needs
17:12.42DocScrutinizer51well at least you don't really need to 'update firmware'
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17:13.40spiritdDocScrutinizer ... apt-get upgrade do the same?
17:14.08spiritdDocScrutinizer ... i dont know... i am using debian on my server... so ... i have N900 for 3 hours...
17:14.17spiritdbtw i am getting failed catalouges
17:14.44DocScrutinizer51never do apt-get upgrade. It usually breaks your system
17:14.57spiritdlol :)
17:16.44lardmanwhat signal is emitted when the arrow-where-close-button-would-be button is pressed for a Qt window?
17:16.52lardmanstacked window that is
17:17.21MohammadAG[54256.091125] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible
17:17.21MohammadAG[54256.283905] mmc0: card aaaa removed
17:17.36MohammadAGlardman, it's just an X button
17:18.31lardmanI can't see where it's created though and what's attached to it
17:18.45MohammadAGlardman, QMainWindow?
17:19.07lardmanyes
17:19.23MohammadAGthe arrow is just the way Maemo makes a stacked window
17:19.35MohammadAGon a normal PC it's just an X button, and clicking it would hide() the window
17:19.37spiritdDocScrutinizer so how can i update my system?
17:19.47MohammadAGspiritd, you don't need to
17:20.06MohammadAGbut if want to, go to App manager and click update
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17:20.38GAN900The paranoid schizophrenics are out in force.
17:20.54lardmanMohammadAG: but is there a hide event signal emitted?
17:20.58Arkenoiwonders what is updated in calendar-home-widget and fbreader almost daily, no visual changes :-)
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17:22.18lardmanhttp://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Ohio-USA-Lake-Erie-Lighthouse-Covered-In-Ice/Video/201012315856608
17:22.22MohammadAGlardman, there are none, see this http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/21184-close-window-signal
17:22.32lardmanlooks like someone's been trying to make a cake
17:23.01NooBmonk3ywakes up to the word cake!
17:23.03NooBmonk3yevenin!
17:23.13Venemohello NooBmonk3y :)
17:23.15NooBmonk3yhey Ven
17:23.17NooBmonk3y:)
17:23.45lardmanhi NooBmonk3y
17:24.11NooBmonk3yhey hey!
17:24.22lardmanMohammadAG: so presumably the QMainWindow::closeEvent(event); does the hiding?
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17:24.34MohammadAGI think so :)
17:24.42lardmanI'll test, thanks
17:24.56MohammadAGthinks he borked his microSD
17:25.01MohammadAGhey NooBmonk3y
17:25.09NooBmonk3yhey Mo :)
17:25.12NooBmonk3yeveryone having a gd day?
17:25.14lardmanhideEvent() might also work
17:25.47MohammadAGwith all respect, I wonder who's the idiot who made the magnet disable a damn microSD card
17:26.09NooBmonk3yMohammadAG,  some idiot who earns a lot probably
17:26.22lardmanthe assumption is that the cache can be written before you can rip the back off and unclip the card
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17:28.03GAN900lardman, is that a challenge?
17:28.29MohammadAGGAN900, you can trick with a magnet anyways
17:28.35lardmanGAN900: a subconscious challenge from the N900 hw engineers ;)
17:31.04MohammadAGok
17:31.10MohammadAGso either my microSD card is broken
17:31.15DocScrutinizer51MohammadAG: actually magnet ENables the uSD
17:31.16MohammadAGor my microSD reader in the N900
17:31.28MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51 I know
17:31.44MohammadAGis the microSD reader replaceable?
17:32.15DocScrutinizer51and I'd think that's rather smart
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17:33.15MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, I'd think not, I already broke one battery cover
17:33.24spiritdMohammadAG what firmware you have?
17:34.00spiritdi found on my 2.2009.51-1
17:34.16MohammadAGupgrade, though you don't have to
17:34.24MohammadAGVersion of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0
17:34.45MohammadAGfact of the day: with the MeeGo initrd image, if the battery is low, neither the eMMC or the uSD are recognized
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17:36.41Venemohehe
17:36.52pupnikmy PC motherboard shows up as having a 'Gigabyte' access point during wlan scan
17:37.09pupnikbut linux doesn't have a driver it seems
17:37.13pupnikweourd
17:38.50MohammadAGhow do I disable Ubuntu's stupid automount?
17:39.36DocScrutinizer51haha
17:39.44spiritdMohammadAG this? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
17:39.51DocScrutinizer51you love h-e-n mount better?
17:40.31MohammadAGDocScrutinizer51, yes
17:40.33DocScrutinizer51spiritd: simply update what Hildon AppManager offers you to update
17:40.37MohammadAGspiritd, also yes
17:40.51lardmanbbl
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17:41.36spiritdDocScrutinizer ... i want install some "good" firmware... because i dont want backup all the stuff after i will the N900 with contacts
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17:41.46spiritd*fill
17:42.58DocScrutinizer51:shrug:
17:43.33spiritd:)
17:43.40DocScrutinizer51well, flashing for sure is faster than SSU
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17:46.24DocScrutinizer51anyway you understand it's a linux system, and the only true 'firmware' is that for wlan chip, and maybe BT, and the modem
17:46.50spiritdDocScrutinizer ... yeah ...
17:47.12spiritdwell but update whole firmware is better than apt-get upgrade right?
17:47.33spiritdupdating firmware is more stable ... ?
17:47.45spiritdjust guessing... using logic... no experience :)
17:47.49DocScrutinizer51so there's no diff in result from flashing and from SSU, except SSU keeps your data untouched
17:48.14spiritdDocScrutinizer well my phone is new so... no data
17:48.31Venemothen reflash
17:48.56DocScrutinizer51the go for flashing if you're in a hurry. Go for SSU via HAM to learn about that process
17:49.30spiritd"learn about proccess" how its different from upgrading debian from console? :))
17:49.37spiritdpc
17:49.45DocScrutinizer51yes
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17:50.26DocScrutinizer51console apt-get upgrade is deprecated
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17:51.02spiritdDocScrutinizer and what use app manager for upgrade? ... i mean what command
17:51.44Venemostart app manager, click update
17:52.27spiritdye ... but what that actually does
17:52.46Venemoit starts apt-worker, which does its job
17:52.52MohammadAGsomething with apt-worker
17:52.54raulfhwhere can I find a big picture of harmattan components?
17:53.01spiritdso apt-worker... hmm thy
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17:53.11spiritdman apt-worker :)
17:53.50MohammadAGwaits for disappointment
17:53.54spiritddont have apt-worker in PR1.1
17:54.05DocScrutinizer51haha
17:54.06DocScrutinizer51raulfh: on wiki
17:54.27Venemomaybe there's just no manpage for it
17:54.27MohammadAGspiritd, it's in /usr/libexec
17:54.31MohammadAGjust use app manager
17:54.49MohammadAGit doesn't only use apt-worker
17:54.55spiritdMohammadAG :/ ... cli <3
17:55.05MohammadAGit changes UBIFS compression (javispedro found that one I think)
17:55.13MohammadAGthen flash your device :P
17:55.25spiritdyy installing nokia updater
17:55.26Venemospiritd: if you love the CLI, then either reflash, or do apt-get dist-upgrade
17:55.43Venemospiritd: see
17:55.44MohammadAGVenemo, don't suggest the latter
17:55.46Venemo~flashing
17:55.46infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
17:55.47MohammadAGsometimes it breaks stuff ;)
17:56.19spiritdVenemo ... already reading that
17:57.01raulfhDocScrutinizer51: only for fremantle, but not for harmattan
17:57.19raulfhin addition, there' s no architectural overview
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18:11.46spiritdflashing
18:12.23spiritdbtw teamspeak 3 client available?
18:12.29spiritdi found only x86 bnaries
18:13.43ZogGMohammadAG ping
18:13.57derfspiritd: I think someone ported mumble. I doubt you'll find teamspeak.
18:14.03MohammadAGpong
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18:15.24ZogGMohammadAG at community chan >
18:16.28BCMMWTF@ the guy asking the HEN beta thread if the kernel support OSS...
18:16.54lcukBCMM, links help add context
18:17.08MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232&page=56
18:17.43MohammadAGBCMM, I doubt he means Open Source Software
18:17.46BCMMlcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=898180&postcount=559 , but it won't make it make much more sense
18:18.05BCMMMohammadAG: i realise he means the open sound system, that's the WTF
18:19.42BCMMcan't tell if he thinks that's still the normal way to access a microphone, or if he's just trying to start an OSS/ALSA flamewar
18:21.12peetahhello, writing on the ext3 partition of external mmc corrupt it, while writing on the vfat partition does not, according to e2fsck and fsck.vfat
18:21.28peetahdoes it ring a bell to anyone ?
18:21.57peetahwriting on both partitions with another device does not corrupt file systems
18:22.00BCMMout of interest, what makes GTK and Qt apps look similar on maemo?
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18:24.09VenemoBCMM: QGtkStyle
18:24.30VenemoBCMM: or, if you want more details, QMaemo5Style, which is derived from QGtkStyle
18:24.33BCMMVenemo: that's the thing where Qt uses the GTK style, right?
18:24.38Venemoright
18:25.03MohammadAGtry -style cleanlooks :P
18:25.27Venemoit's mostly the same thing that happens when you use KDE or Qt apps on a Gnome desktop
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18:32.07peetahnobody is aware of any software problem with writing on ext3 fs on the external mmc ?
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18:33.02peetahI would like to be sure that my problem is not a hardware failure of the n900 mmc reader since I don't have this issue with other readers and the same card
18:33.03ZogGVenemo лву шы умшд
18:33.07ZogGkde is evil
18:33.19ZogGwhy Qt means for most people KDE
18:33.23VenemoZogG: that's why I use Gnome
18:33.59ZogGVenemo, gnome is less evil now, but it was ugly for a long time (as KDE btw) until ubuntu popularity
18:34.05ZogGbut gnome is evil too
18:34.09ZogGxfce4 FTW
18:34.16ZogGoh yeah oh yeah
18:35.53Venemowhy is gnome evil?
18:37.07ZogGVenemo i didn't like the politics, of depending everything on everything
18:37.17ZogGyou want gtk app you get half gnome
18:37.42ZogGit';s like KDE is Qt, you want somwething Qt, you get half KDE that needs other half
18:38.32spiritdy
18:38.55wmaroneZogG: funny, there are no kde chunks on my N900...
18:39.38ZogGwmarone not talking about maemo
18:39.46ZogGwe talking about desktop
18:41.03wmaronewell, if you want a KDE or Gnome app, you get KDE and Gnome. nothing to do with the toolkit.
18:41.09Venemohehe
18:41.32Venemoanyway, I prefer the Gnome desktop. it's the simplest to use
18:41.43ZogGwmarone that's my point
18:41.45Venemobut I use some KDE apps too, for example Konversation is a great IRC client
18:41.51ZogGi hate both them for this
18:42.06ZogGbut now gnome is going less dependies
18:42.22ZogGVenemo xchat is more than enuf for me
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18:42.44ZogGthere is only one app i couldn't change
18:42.50Venemowhat's that?
18:42.57ZogGKDE's cd writer
18:43.02ZogGk3b
18:43.18ZogGbut heard after kde4 it's shitty too =)
18:43.34Venemohehe
18:43.47Venemonah KDE is nice. it has all the effects and stuff
18:43.59Venemobut it's hard to find settings&stuff in it
18:44.07Venemognome is dead easy to use
18:44.14ZogGuseless effects for most cases and it's ugly
18:44.32ZogGit's like mac os style but in windows me way =)
18:44.37ZogGit's too much and too cheap
18:44.39ZogGdon't liek it
18:45.04ZogGall this round coners things and shinny stuff =)
18:45.16VenemoKDE is too resource hungry
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18:53.34BCMMZogG: rounded corners and shiny stuff are configurable...
18:55.00BCMMZogG: and i don't consider requiring mono, of all things, to be reducing dependencies
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18:57.05VenemoBCMM: what do you have against Mono?
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19:04.46lollooI guess N900 photos app doesn't support GIF images! wtf.
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19:05.23lolloois N900 for real?
19:05.26lolloohehe
19:07.24wolf^it can show gifs, but cannot into preview
19:08.11lolloomine doesnt! it shows me a broken Icon!
19:08.16lolloolame
19:08.53lollooeven the worst nokia phone can show GIF properly
19:09.04lolloowhy N900 no? so bad!
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19:09.34lolloois there a merical to fix this lame problem?
19:15.21mikki-kunwhat is moe annoying than seeing your hardware for your internet is at the post which you should pick up tomorrow?
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19:16.05lolloono GIF support. do you call that internet hardware?
19:16.08mikki-kungoing there and feeling lucky they already hand it out today but then having a non-functional line!
19:16.25mikki-kuni am like having the keys to a porsche 911!
19:16.38lollooN900 missing so much.
19:16.41mikki-kunno, i even have the porsche
19:16.51mikki-kunbut there are no streets to drive it!
19:17.13lollooput wings and fly
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19:19.29mikki-kuni don't drink red bull
19:19.46lolloodont drink it pour it in ur car
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19:21.27johndoin which directory the desktop shortcuts are stored?
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19:21.56MohammadAG/usr/share/applications/hildon/
19:22.54johndoMohammadAG: i mean the ones i have added to my homescreen
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19:24.10MohammadAGthey're in gconf afaik, not a directory
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19:45.37spiritdi cant see search button in pr1.3 app manager
19:45.46spiritdis it somewhere else? or bug?
19:45.56lcukspiritd, enter a category and type
19:46.09lcuksearch as you keypress
19:46.29spiritdi set All
19:46.58spiritdthen taskbar... Refresh, Log, App cat, Restore app
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19:48.29spiritd:/
19:48.30spiritdwtf
19:50.16spiritdhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53768
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20:01.01spiritdwhat are you using for browsing / structure?
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20:01.15bakaratok, i just got the n900 (bit late to the party i know), and it seems awesome except for one thing: how do you rotate the screen? it seems stuck in landscape?
20:01.19spiritdis there some nautilus or whatever
20:01.47spiritdbakarat... i am new too... and i heard its landscape only
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20:02.19nid0bakarat - most of the system is landscape only
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20:02.37spiritdjust use "site:talk.maemo.org keyword" in google
20:02.38nid0certain applications work in portrait, the phone and browser being examples
20:02.47bakaratok silly question, where is the phone one? :P
20:03.03nid0its the application in your applications list named "phone"
20:03.07spiritdnid0 what are you using for browsing files
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20:03.22johndois there any option to hide the bottom bar of an osso-xterm?
20:03.22johndofor a single one, not in general
20:04.37Venemojohndo: no, but you can hide the top bar with the fullscreen button
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20:05.13johndoVenemo: yes, but i rather would like to hide the bottom bar
20:05.43bakarati seem to recall the n800 had the ability to "intelligently" switch on and off wifi/gps, i'm guessing that's still the case?
20:05.49bakarator if i "enable" gps, is it like always on?
20:05.52bakarat(thinking of battery)
20:06.04Venemobakarat: nope, it is only powered if there's something that needs it
20:06.10bakaratah sweet
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20:06.36Venemobakarat: there's a status bar icon (depicting a satellite antenna) shown when the GPS module is active
20:07.31bakaratVenemo, ah thanks
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20:07.39bakarati started the browser btw, how do you swtich to portrait?
20:07.53johndobakarat: there's also an autodisconnect package which monitors wifi and gsm connections
20:08.26johndobakarat: it automatically switches when you turn the device
20:08.27Venemobakarat: menu/options/settings/"enable rotation"
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20:08.42johndoor your version is too old
20:08.52bakaratVenemo, ah ok hehe
20:09.12bakaratjohndo, well, fresh from the store
20:09.20bakaratso probably slightly outdated :P
20:09.41Venemobakarat: maybe reflash with the latest software
20:09.47Venemosee
20:09.48Venemo~flashing
20:09.49infobotextra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
20:10.46spiritdguys what are you using for file browsing?
20:10.58spiritdi d like some 2 panel browser
20:12.18bakaratVenemo, i'll leave that for the weekend, need to get it set up quickly atm :P
20:12.42Venemobakarat: it only takes a few minutes
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20:14.11bakaratfor reasons i can not fathom, i can not find the "menu/options/settings/enable rotation" thingy anywhere
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20:15.51johndobakarat: you also can update it with the program manager
20:15.51Venemobakarat: it's added in the latest software
20:16.07Venemobakarat: see your current version in Settings
20:16.27Venemobakarat: settings/about product
20:17.20bakaratVenemo, 2.2009.51-1
20:17.24johndoyou need to be registered on maemo.org even to file bug reports only, don't you?
20:17.36johndobakarat: "slightly" outdated :)
20:17.50bakaratjohndo, :D
20:17.54spiritdi updated via Nokia Updater
20:17.57spiritdfast and easy
20:17.59Venemobakarat: that's too old.
20:18.08johndoafaik this version does not have portrait mode for browser
20:18.16Venemobakarat: on that, the browser doesn't support portait
20:18.27bakaratah k
20:18.41bakaratVenemo, johndo can i update with the program manager in this version or is it reflash-only? :P
20:19.02johndoi have upgraded mine with the programm manager
20:19.35johndobut in two steps as there were 2 updates over time
20:19.35Venemobakarat: you can update with the app manager
20:19.59bakaratVenemo, sweet
20:20.32bakaratis it more like the debian update: it just works(TM) or more like ubuntu: TIAS?
20:21.12johndobakarat: more like debian for me (at least so far)
20:21.41johndomaybe backup you configs nevertheless, just in case ;)
20:22.10bakaratjohndo, as easy as cp /etc ... ? :P
20:23.06bakaratbut either way, nothing is really configured yet and i read that there is always a "reset to factory settings" thingy
20:23.08johndobakarat:there's an backup application
20:23.12bakarato nice
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20:24.01bakaratbtw, i have read conflicting information: some claim that an upgrade path to meego will be provided, others deny it
20:24.14bakaratany idea which one is true? :P
20:24.50nid0there will be no officially-provided upgrade by nokia
20:24.57bakarato
20:24.58nid0unless they have a *massive* change of heart
20:25.04nid0but the community is working on a release
20:25.05bakaratwhat exactly is the future of maemo after meego?
20:25.19nid0basically, nothing
20:25.19bakarati mean, does it keep evolving away from meego?
20:25.22nid0no
20:25.23bakaratah k
20:25.30nid0maemo's eol, meego's the replacement
20:25.30pupnikhow long did you use Windows XP bakarat
20:25.34pupnikhow many years
20:25.53bakaratpupnik, at work, still using it (shiver), at home not so long :P
20:25.54pupnikdid a year go by and suddenly you felt you needed a new operating system for your desktop?
20:26.08bakaratmade the switch to linux many years ago
20:26.20bakaratpupnik, no, that's entirely accurate :p
20:26.27pupnikok.. well then you understand how maemo5 "just works" now
20:26.28pupniklol
20:26.34bakaratmy n810 was also basically install some much needed apps when i bought it and just leave it alone after that
20:26.36bakarat:D
20:26.49bakaratuntil the damn touch screen died on me
20:27.01bakarat*snif*
20:27.04pupnikmaemo5 will be a great OS for as long as you care to use the n900
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20:27.18johndopupnik: the question is how long we will get security updates for maemo proprietary stuff
20:27.42Arkenoijohndo, we *never* got any
20:27.44pupniksecurity updates aren't an issue.  and nokia's proprietary stuff never gets developed much anyway
20:27.50Arkenoiwe have buggy flash and no one cares
20:28.07Arkenoithough it has remote code execution vulnerability
20:28.14pupnikthere you go Arkenoi
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20:28.25johndoo.O
20:28.28pupnikwelcome to "Flash is a Trojan"
20:28.32bakarati'm gonna go downstairs, wifi is horrible here
20:28.37bakaratthanks for all the feedback :)
20:28.44pupniksend her to me and she will appreciate you
20:28.52pupnikcheers bakarat
20:29.19pupniksings ~I'll be harder than your husband.... to get along with~
20:31.04pupnikJudge Duncan Ouseley to release Assange tonight/nowish
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20:31.21nid03 hours ago-ish
20:31.34nid0walked out of court at 6
20:31.55RST38h<yawn>
20:33.03SpeedEvilhttp://b3ta.com/board/10280035 - made me lol for no good reason. (thread of images about Mr Assange)
20:33.14pupnik`oh
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20:38.10johndowhat's the camera-ui process for? only to start camera app when i open the lense cover?
20:39.04johndolooks like that's eating my battery
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20:39.53MohammadAGdsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui
20:40.00MohammadAGyou need the start the camera manually
20:40.29johndoso that's a known problem?
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20:43.11BluesLeeMohammadAG: hi, do you know if someone compiled kernel modules for dvb-usb compatible with the power kernel?
20:43.45johndoMohammadAG: does -k also deactivate the process completely (after reboot) or does it only kill it?
20:44.04MohammadAGBluesLee, nope :/
20:44.12MohammadAGjohndo, install togglecamera if you want
20:44.16MohammadAGactually, don't
20:44.20MohammadAGit'll move camera-ui
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20:44.58MohammadAGjohndo, have a look at /etc/X11/Xsession.post/17camera-ui
20:46.28johndojust wonders why the heck camera-ui wakes up that often now in pr1.3
20:46.38DocScrutinizerbug
20:46.50DocScrutinizershouldn't
20:47.05DocScrutinizerhow do you tell it does?
20:47.17johndoDocScrutinizer: and i guess it's a nokia proprietary program which never gets fixed ^^
20:47.24johndoby powertop
20:47.54MohammadAGindeed shouldn't
20:47.57MohammadAGmine's quiet
20:48.12DocScrutinizerso you're sure it's the same process ID, not camera-ui respawning die to immediate segfault or sth?
20:48.41DocScrutinizers/die/due
20:49.51DocScrutinizerBluesLee: does your old dvd-stick have working OSS drivers?
20:50.40DocScrutinizerwaitwaitwait. johndo do you by any chance have installed flashlight-extra?
20:50.52johndoDocScrutinizer: good question .. let me watch pid for a while
20:51.38DocScrutinizerflashlight-extra was *EVIL* on my system, it borked almost everything, and eaten my CPU
20:51.54DocScrutinizerincl camera-ui
20:52.03johndoDocScrutinizer: no, but i have something for using flash leds as a torch
20:52.18DocScrutinizerthat's flashlight
20:52.58johndoDocScrutinizer: it's flashlight-applet
20:52.59DocScrutinizerthen there's flashlight-extra that errr, avoids camera-ui coming up when you open lens slider, or sth
20:53.35DocScrutinizerhad to nuke that one
20:54.09johndodsmetool -t to (re)start a service?
20:55.05johndowould be happy when flashlight is the problem
20:55.14johndothis battery draining starts to annoy me
20:55.50johndo2 days of light usage and the battery is down
20:55.58johndowhich lasts a week before the upgrade
20:56.07DocScrutinizerumm
20:56.09BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: good question, afaik it uses dvb-usb-wt220u-02.fw
20:56.52MohammadAGflashlight-applet is fine
20:57.14DocScrutinizerfind out if it works at all on your desktop PC, find out which drivers it needs, get the source and feed it to SB
20:57.16MohammadAGI edited it to show when the cover is closed, that way I can start the flash, open the lens, and camera-ui would fail to start so I'd be happy
20:57.38DocScrutinizercool
20:58.29BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: it works on my desktop like a charm with mplayer
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21:00.13johndoeeek, when i start camera-ui with dsmetool -t is runs twice :(
21:00.21johndo*it
21:00.22BluesLeeDocScrutinizer: dvb_usb_dtt200u, dvb_usb, dvb_core and i2c_core seem to be used ... i will have a look into scratchbox
21:00.49johndois '-t' the wron option?
21:00.53BluesLeethis is what i need i guess :http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide#Compiling_External_Kernel_Modules
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21:03.09DocScrutinizerjohndo: you shouldn't mess arounf with dsmetool at all
21:03.38johndoDocScrutinizer: someone told me to do :P
21:03.44dotblankAny played with clutter yet?
21:03.48dotblankany one*
21:03.54DocScrutinizerdsmetool is just for restarting processes in case they get killed or segfault or terminate by any other reason
21:04.22johndoDocScrutinizer: at least my device even reaches C4 now
21:04.28DocScrutinizerjohndo: you're sure? I've only seen MohammadAG tell you how to STOP it
21:04.28johndostill only 3.4% in C4
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21:04.46johndoright :)
21:05.14johndoDocScrutinizer: but i wanted to watch the pid of camera-ui, so i had to restart it
21:05.35johndoso what's the "right" way to restart it? boot??
21:05.54DocScrutinizerthe easiest and safest way, yes
21:06.26DocScrutinizeror execute that  /etc/X11/Xsession.post/17camera-ui script
21:06.27johndogah, must have missed the "winxxx" part in my system version ;)
21:06.51johndoDocScrutinizer: ok, i try the latter
21:08.04johndowhat is IRQ 2103?
21:08.11johndowakes up 70 times per second
21:09.00DocScrutinizernfc
21:10.05SpeedEvilUnfortunately, you don't care about wakeups or interrupts.
21:10.18SpeedEvilThere is no nice breakdown of what you do care about
21:11.09DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: that's rather cryptic a statement
21:11.15SpeedEvilSorry - got distracted
21:11.24johndoSpeedEvil: i would like to not care about all that stuff, but since i upgraded to 1.3 my battery dies way too fast and i really would like to find the reason ;)
21:11.25SpeedEvil389 interrupts a second.
21:11.38SpeedEvilIf these are 1/389th of a second - then that's bad.
21:11.51SpeedEvilIf they are all one after each other 10us apart - you don't care
21:12.07SpeedEvilAs they have the same impact as one interrupt from a powerupse POV
21:12.18DocScrutinizeryep
21:12.49SpeedEvilSame with wakeups
21:12.50DocScrutinizerbtw poweupse is a nice new word
21:12.53DocScrutinizer:-D
21:13.06SpeedEvilA wakeup from C4 is enormously more costly than one from C2
21:13.12steinexso i have it, the iphone 4
21:13.20steinexoh yes.
21:13.50DocScrutinizeryes
21:14.04steinexyes
21:14.35DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: we'd need a powerdebug kernel
21:14.44johndoDocScrutinizer: that script to restart camera-ui, call it as root? or user?
21:14.52DocScrutinizerroot
21:15.01DocScrutinizeraiui
21:15.14DocScrutinizernormally it's caled by X
21:15.20DocScrutinizerX is root
21:15.28DocScrutinizeragain aiui
21:15.35SpeedEvilMost stuff is started as user under X though
21:15.46DocScrutinizerhmm
21:15.52johndohmm :)
21:16.05SpeedEvilneeds to reflash his device.
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21:16.18SpeedEvilCamera is not working, and I'm unsure if it's a hardware issue or not
21:16.47DocScrutinizererrr, isn't that kinda related topic?
21:16.52johndoSpeedEvil: do you have the driver for bleen900 installed?
21:17.02johndo*blessn900
21:17.02SpeedEviljohndo: no
21:17.20johndook, that screwed up the camera for me after upgrade to 1.3
21:17.20SpeedEvilI think it was broken before I installed fcam
21:17.26SpeedEvilI'm on 1.2
21:18.17DocScrutinizerI'm on 1.2 too, and that camera gave me black screen today, in both mbarcode and camera-ui
21:18.27SpeedEvilOdd
21:18.41SpeedEvilCamera gives internal error when i try to start it
21:18.42johndohmm, maybe i should have stayed with 1.2 too :(
21:18.58johndono benefits so far, but a lot of trouble with 1.3
21:19.02DocScrutinizeron second try camera-ui did work
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21:20.09DocScrutinizerjohndo: alas Nokia managed to make it impossible for the normal user to stay on 1.2. You can't install any -devel or -testing app anymore
21:20.50DocScrutinizerwell, a lot off then at least don't work under 1.2 anymore. So even your backups are worthless
21:20.56johndoDocScrutinizer: because of Qt4.7 i guess?
21:21.01DocScrutinizeryep
21:21.18DocScrutinizerand because of missing repo split
21:21.32DocScrutinizerfor those devel and testing repos
21:22.00SpeedEvilhmm - it was just after I uninstalled that flashlight-camera-ui thing
21:22.03SpeedEvilOn reflection
21:22.54johndowell, they don't seem to understand the debian repository structure properly anyway :(
21:23.00DocScrutinizerif at least they had promoted all pkgs in testing/devel to maemo-1.2 proper then, same time they rolled out 1.3
21:23.11johndosome repos don't even have proper tags so that you could set preferences
21:23.22johndono wonder they switched to rpm with meego :(
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21:28.04SpeedEvilPhew - looking like a software problem.
21:28.19SpeedEvilNow I've reinstalled stock kernel, I don't have audio again, but camera works.
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21:28.36SpeedEvilIf I install power kernel, audio works, but camera dies. :)
21:29.45johndoDocScrutinizer: no need to restart camera-ui manually, after i use camara app camera-ui is back again ... running twice!?
21:29.46DocScrutinizerLOL
21:30.21DocScrutinizerI seem to recall that's normal a lot of those processes run twice
21:30.26MohammadAGSpeedEvil, fcamera?
21:30.39SpeedEvilMohammadAG: uninstalled it now
21:30.50SpeedEvilMohammadAG: That doesn't explain why sound is dead
21:31.15MohammadAGSpeedEvil, it should work
21:31.23MohammadAGbut you need the latest version, get it using
21:31.24MohammadAGapt
21:31.30MohammadAGSpeedEvil, decoders-support?
21:31.45DocScrutinizerseems sound is flawed or dead on my pk + h-e-n as well
21:32.22MohammadAGblames libflac8
21:32.22DocScrutinizerthough I've not really tested
21:32.39johndoso h-e-n is still experimental?
21:32.39SpeedEvilMohammadAG: MohammadAG i've not been screwing with decoders support
21:32.53DocScrutinizerjohndo: sure it's experimental
21:32.57DocScrutinizerit's a beta
21:33.04DocScrutinizeror was it alha?
21:33.11DocScrutinizeralpha even
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21:33.41SpeedEvilPulseaudio isn't started even
21:33.51DocScrutinizer\o/
21:33.59johndoand i already bought an usb adapter for it xd
21:34.20MohammadAGSpeedEvil, libflac8, for suer
21:34.23MohammadAGsure*
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21:34.45SpeedEvilhow would that have died?
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21:35.12MohammadAGpulseaudio attempts to load a module from /opt before it's mounted
21:35.28DocScrutinizeroh THAT idiocy
21:35.50DocScrutinizerMOVE that TO / THEN!
21:36.08SpeedEvilyeah - I haven't done anytjong wird with decoder packages I don't think though
21:36.23MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=874014&postcount=35
21:36.32MohammadAGcp /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0 /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0
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21:37.22johnsqHi
21:37.40DocScrutinizerwill those pains in the neck ever learn about what may go to /usr, and what needs to stay on root-fs?
21:37.49SpeedEvilOdd - I wonder what moved it
21:37.52SpeedEvilit was working
21:38.00SpeedEvilAnd why it works with kernel-power
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21:38.29DocScrutinizerTHIS HAS TO BE IN /lib, B
21:38.36MohammadAG/usr/ is on rootfs :P
21:38.37DocScrutinizerNOT /usr/lib!!!
21:38.53DocScrutinizerFSCK it isn't -PER DEFINITION
21:39.06MohammadAGit is - on maemo
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21:40.26DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I'll come over kick your ass if you don't stop telling shit
21:40.31DocScrutinizerREAD THAT!
21:40.35DocScrutinizer~optification
21:40.36infobotit has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3
21:40.37Venemo:D
21:41.04MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, /usr is on rootfs on maemo :P
21:41.12MohammadAGthat's a fact, not shit :P
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21:41.56MohammadAGo_O
21:42.15b-man`???O_o
21:42.21Venemolet's hope he didn't have a heart attack.
21:42.35MohammadAGhe's probably coming over
21:42.43b-man`XD
21:42.56Venemo:D
21:42.59b-man`MohammadAG: lock your doors and windows xD
21:43.07MohammadAGhttp://pastebin.com/efU7xu8t <-- at least this says /usr is on rootfs
21:43.08Venemoemail us when he's knocking on your door
21:43.22johndois waiting for MohammadAG to disappear too :P
21:43.32Venemonah
21:43.37MohammadAGmaemo-911 mailing list?
21:43.47Venemojohndo: nah.
21:43.49Venemoit's a long way from Germany to Israel
21:44.11MohammadAGhe's DocScrutinizer
21:44.26Venemoyeah. he'll scrutinize the docs
21:44.26b-man`he can open a wormhole xD
21:44.28Venemo:D
21:44.33SpeedEvilnope - not that
21:44.35SpeedEvilodd
21:44.37Venemohm
21:44.54Venemodon't think you can speak freely! DocScrutinizer51 is still here
21:45.20MohammadAGI know, and -8
21:45.26MohammadAGplus the channel is logged
21:45.51MohammadAGhe'll be back - I hope
21:45.57MohammadAGSpeedEvil, did you reboot?
21:46.07SpeedEvilyes
21:46.29SpeedEvilNokia-N900-02-8:/usr/lib# ls -l *FLAC*
21:46.29SpeedEvillrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           16 May 31  2010 libFLAC.so.8 -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0
21:46.29SpeedEvil-rw-r--r--    1 user     root       303348 Jan  9  2010 libFLAC.so.8.2.0
21:47.25alteregoVenemo: vote for my package :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/
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21:47.48alteregowell, test then vote, or read the tmo thread then vote, or just vote.
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22:01.48Noobmonk3ywoooop! random question....
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22:03.05Noobmonk3yis it possible to record the screen, like ctrl+shift+p but video?
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22:04.26MohammadAGyes, but it'll be far from fast
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22:04.33Noobmonk3ypooooo
22:04.40Noobmonk3yi want fast! lol
22:04.58Noobmonk3ywant to upload my example of angry birds not working lol
22:05.00MohammadAGSDK + some magic
22:05.05Noobmonk3ymeh meh
22:05.10MohammadAGstart it from terminal
22:05.10Noobmonk3ypc is turned off
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22:05.31Noobmonk3ylaying on the sofa being lazy....
22:05.35VenemoNoobmonk3y: the load appled has a "record screencast" option
22:05.51Noobmonk3ybut thought that never worked Venemo ?
22:05.56VenemoI dunno
22:05.59MohammadAG/opt/ang(tab)/an(tab)
22:06.03MohammadAGhow hard is that
22:06.10MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, works, but not the fastest option
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22:06.50VenemoNoobmonk3y: according to you, Qt Mobility's accelerometer didn't work... when in fact it does
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22:07.24MohammadAGWOW
22:07.40MohammadAGangry birds lays out in portrait mode nicely!
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22:08.27Noobmonk3yhmmm now to replay that screencast, and see how slow!
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22:09.01Sicelosorry i got disconnected...i was asking if it is better to stay in PR1.2 if you are a power user, basing my question on the discussion between johndo and DocScrutinizer about 50mins ago
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22:09.30VenemoSicelo: I didn't regred updating to 1.3
22:09.35Venemoregret*
22:10.22wmaronePR1.3 fixed the unresponsiveness problems I was having, I'll never go back :)
22:10.28Noobmonk3ymeh it didnt work, recorded about 10 secs worth of a 1 minute attempt
22:10.46johndois that "advanced power" widget supposed to remove the battery symbol from the status bar?
22:10.51Sicelothank you Venemo. I guess it's more personal preferences then :)
22:11.08MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, did you find any golden eggs?
22:11.16MohammadAGjohndo, it replaces it
22:11.25MohammadAGbut due to the nature of hildon-status-menu
22:11.34MohammadAGkillall hildon-status-menu will bring it back
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22:11.47Noobmonk3ymo, my prob is an odd one, i had the extra packs, uninstalled, installed new version, and it doesnt load anything correctly
22:11.54johndoMohammadAG: hehe
22:11.57Noobmonk3yassuming level pack issue
22:12.09johndosaw that battery info on your screenshot and thought i need that :)
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22:13.45alteregoVenemo: vote for my package :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/
22:13.56johndoMohammadAG: worked, thanks
22:14.00alteregoahyway, g'night
22:14.55bakaratquick question: how do i switch keyboard layout?
22:15.08MohammadAGjohndo, I uninstalled it btw ;)
22:15.08johndoMohammadAG: what are the 2 numbers for time left in that widget? hours idle and "used" (whatever usage that means)?
22:15.16MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, no idea lol
22:15.19MohammadAGstart it from terminal
22:15.31johndoMohammadAG: because of what reason? more power consumtion?
22:15.50MohammadAGPython, more memory consumption
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22:16.27johndoMohammadAG: only used about 600k for me, maybe i already had the python dependencies
22:16.50johndooops, nvm :)
22:17.26MohammadAGjohndo, memory as in RAM ;)
22:17.37johndoya ya :)
22:17.51johndoi should read more carefully, that's why my oops
22:17.54Noobmonk3yMohammadAG,  fixed, u have yo upgrade all levl packs, thankfully only have the 1
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22:18.15Noobmonk3yand no, not figured out any of the secret stuff
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22:21.36Noobmonk3ywants something fun to do on the n900 hmmmmm
22:22.49MohammadAGNoobmonk3y, #meego-bar
22:22.54Noobmonk3y?
22:23.02MohammadAGjoin it
22:23.07Noobmonk3yok
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22:23.35Noobmonk3yc closed
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22:23.40Noobmonk3yirc*
22:23.45MohammadAGlol
22:23.53Noobmonk3ytry again lol
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22:26.17Venemohey again
22:28.27alteregoVenemo! Vote for my freakin'! package!??&)/€+#-
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22:28.50Venemoalterego: send me your freakin' link
22:29.05MohammadAGalterego, go to your freakin' bed
22:29.09Venemo:D
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22:29.28alteregoVenemo: I've told you it twice already!
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22:29.42alteregoliterally 10 lines up :P
22:29.55Venemoalterego: oh, okay
22:30.04Venemoalterego: sorry, I was away and just got back
22:30.18Venemoalterego: voted
22:30.40alteregospank you :) now I can schleep :D
22:30.54Venemo:D
22:30.54bakaratif i put music (mp3 is supported by default right?) on the n900, should it automatically be picked up by the media player? (it's not atm)
22:31.04Venemoalterego: but promise me to vote on my app too :P
22:31.27cehtehunfortunally yes .. the trackerd runs every sometime and collects all music
22:31.35alteregoSure, g'night folks
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22:31.44bakaratcehteh, any idea at what interval?
22:31.49bakaratstill waiting for the first song to pop up in the list
22:31.50Venemoalterego: good night :)
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22:32.12cehtehtoday i had shuffle play through all "never played files" ... and it played back telephone calles i recorded with recaller .. duh :P
22:32.50cehtehbakarat: you have it still connected to usb?
22:33.00cehteh(storage mode)
22:33.01bakaratcehteh, well, disconnected once to see if that was it, now connected again
22:33.03bakaratnothing
22:33.19cehtehneeds to be disconnected, else the paritions wont be mounted
22:33.27bakaratcehteh, ah ok
22:33.50bakarati'm guessing if you use the storage mode that it shared /home/<user>?
22:33.54bakaratshares*
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22:35.21bakaratcehteh, and how do i differentiate between the two? all i see is a dcim map and a mac os map or something :P
22:35.42cehtehdunno i disabled this usb storage mode
22:35.56cehtehiirc it exports 2 drives over usb
22:36.13MohammadAG/dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk1*
22:36.32MohammadAGDCIM map and Mac OS are on the eMMC afaik
22:36.53johndobakarat: yes, you should see 2 drives on your pc
22:38.08bakaratjohndo, ah possible, only one auto-mounted though hehe :P
22:38.44bakaratso anyone on changing keyboard layout? hardware is azerty but layout is  qwerty, that's doable on a big keyboard but with the little one its a nightmare
22:39.02SpeedEvilDocScrutinizer has changed his keyboard.
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22:40.06cehtehchanging the keyboard layut is trivial .. search t.m.o
22:40.16bakarati thought settings/text input
22:40.24cehtehthere are some well understandable config files for that
22:40.26bakaratbut no combination has actually allowed me to set azerty :p
22:41.10cehteheh just use another existing map or define new key combos? .. the first is even simpler :P
22:41.47bakaratcehteh, currently i'm trying to change it via the UI as typing is a pain in the ass with this keyboard :p
22:42.08bakaratbut randomly selecting different settings that would seem obvious are not working
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22:52.19Venemobakarat: sorry I'm late in the discussion, what's the problem?
22:52.52bakaratVenemo, just trying to set the keyboard to azerty, but no logical combination of settings seems to do that
22:53.41bakaratperhaps because my interface language is english (uk)?
22:54.08Venemobakarat: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard
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22:54.39bakaratheh, damn, was hoping to avoid typing
22:55.40Venemobakarat: you can do it over SSH from a PC
22:55.45bakaratya true
22:55.46ioanhaha, I want something on my N900 to answer like the telecrapper 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87s5mCBTEUQ
22:55.58bakaratwell, that's worries fer tomorrow
22:56.10bakaratthanks again! :)
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22:57.16Venemobakarat: with that method I successfully remapped the keyboard's Fn combos to allow me to type all Hungarian accented letters
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23:06.04johndobye guys, thanks for your help
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23:19.36Venemowhat is the user/ section name for games?
23:19.56crashanddie_user/slacker
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23:25.29Venemocrashanddie_: really?
23:26.20crashanddie_Venemo: you've been around for sufficiently long to know that you should never trust anything I say unless I go into a 3+ line rant
23:27.44Venemocrashanddie_: yeah.
23:27.46Venemocrashanddie_: :)
23:27.56Venemocrashanddie_: is it user/games?
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23:36.09pupnikthe fucking wars were a buzzkill for me.  i'd have been a happier person without them.
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23:47.49masterkentHi !
23:48.23masterkentCan someone tell me how to add a font in the font menu of the terminal ?
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