| 00:00.08 | Termana | So I've used it. Just not much |
| 00:00.14 | MohammadAG | oh nice :) |
| 00:00.21 | MohammadAG | how do I specify strip level? |
| 00:00.37 | MohammadAG | I've tried QUILT_PATCHES=debian/patches quilt push -a -q fold -p0, but it isn't working |
| 00:02.40 | jacekowski | -p1 |
| 00:02.49 | javispedro | I do not think "accelerated" Flash 10.1 mobile exists. |
| 00:03.05 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, that's default, I want it set to 0 |
| 00:03.40 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you do not specify strip level |
| 00:03.55 | javispedro | suposeddly you should not fiddle with quilt's made patches |
| 00:04.11 | javispedro | if you want to insert an external patch, either apply it then quilt diff or just quilt import it |
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| 00:04.30 | MohammadAG | it's not quilt made |
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| 00:05.10 | Termana | MohammadAG, you have added the patch to quilt's patch list? |
| 00:05.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 00:05.33 | MohammadAG | meh, I'll just patch it in manually |
| 00:06.03 | Termana | Have you tried making it -p num rather than -pnum |
| 00:06.22 | Termana | Probably won't make a difference, but some things are fiddly. |
| 00:06.22 | javispedro | ah, you are using fold |
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| 00:07.15 | javispedro | fails to parse MohammadAG's command line |
| 00:07.30 | javispedro | does quilt accept two commands in one invocation or what? |
| 00:11.10 | thp | MohammadAG: what's hardcoded? |
| 00:11.55 | MohammadAG | the apps |
| 00:11.58 | thp | MohammadAG: or more specifically: what's that in the screenshot? ;) |
| 00:12.09 | MohammadAG | thp, ever used a 5800? |
| 00:12.23 | MohammadAG | http://common.ziffdavisinternet.com/util_get_image/19/0,,i=193488&sz=1,00.jpg |
| 00:14.09 | thp | ah, so you are patching hildon-desktop to show that bar when you come from the edge of the screen? |
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| 00:15.02 | MohammadAG | no, it's just a media bar that shows (actually, should, no code yet) when you touch the proximity (the 5800 has a dedicated button) |
| 00:15.14 | MohammadAG | and it's not patching hildon-desktop, it's completely ignoring it :P |
| 00:15.43 | thp | nice concept. would love to see that |
| 00:15.53 | thp | you need code for parsing .desktop files?> |
| 00:16.06 | MohammadAG | yeah, to set the shortcuts |
| 00:16.14 | thp | python? or c? |
| 00:16.14 | MohammadAG | (it's in Qt btw) |
| 00:16.18 | MohammadAG | C++ :P |
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| 00:16.45 | thp | there's a .ini-style file reader i think |
| 00:17.07 | MohammadAG | ever worked with Qt signals btw? |
| 00:17.20 | thp | yes |
| 00:17.24 | MohammadAG | trying to do something like connect(ui->button1, SIGNAL(clicked()), this, SLOT(openApplication(QString("mediaplayer")))); |
| 00:17.34 | thp | that does'nt work ;) |
| 00:17.40 | MohammadAG | as expected :) |
| 00:18.07 | thp | you can't pass a QString there like you do |
| 00:18.20 | thp | you can only connect the signal directly |
| 00:18.38 | thp | i.e. SIGNAL(clicked()), SLOT(openApplication()) |
| 00:18.41 | MohammadAG | yeah, I know that |
| 00:18.49 | MohammadAG | but I want something that passes a string |
| 00:18.50 | thp | there you can then use a switch with QObject::sender() |
| 00:18.56 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 00:18.58 | MohammadAG | that's new to me |
| 00:19.15 | thp | it might not be kosher, but "Works for me(tm)" |
| 00:20.09 | thp | -> Warning: This function violates the object-oriented principle of modularity. However, getting access to the sender might be useful when many signals are connected to a single slot. |
| 00:21.28 | thp | MohammadAG: and QSignalMapper might allow to do things like "send string as parameter for when button1 is the source", but i've heard it might be slow |
| 00:22.09 | MohammadAG | violates OOP |
| 00:25.01 | thp | maemo.org is down |
| 00:25.20 | jacekowski | you have to say "akamai sucks" |
| 00:25.24 | jacekowski | and it will start working again |
| 00:25.48 | MohammadAG | amsn_0.98.4-maemo0.tar.gz 49% 6824KB 54.7KB/s 02:08 ETA |
| 00:25.56 | MohammadAG | still working for me ^ |
| 00:26.05 | MohammadAG | (drop.maemo.org at least) |
| 00:26.11 | jacekowski | repository.maemo.org is somewhere else |
| 00:26.38 | MohammadAG | my bad then :) |
| 00:26.58 | MohammadAG | though it's up for me |
| 00:27.01 | MohammadAG | (m.o) |
| 00:27.01 | thp | MohammadAG: and i want to see that app launcher :) not only with apps, but with scriptable actions if possible |
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| 01:00.19 | MohammadAG | thp, where did you get the docs for switching the sender? |
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| 01:35.11 | GeneralAntilles | Hmm, when did Stephen ship the first bug jar? |
| 01:35.13 | GeneralAntilles | 2008? |
| 01:36.27 | pronto | i have a bug :o |
| 01:36.29 | pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Omg.wtf.ahhh.12_12_2010.jpg |
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| 01:39.12 | myu | OH FUCK |
| 01:39.16 | myu | I hate those things |
| 01:39.17 | myu | so much |
| 01:39.33 | myu | I think that one is big enough to eat a mouse |
| 01:39.38 | johnx | pronto, which component was that in? "kitchen-counter" or "floor"? |
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| 01:40.00 | pronto | johnx: floor |
| 01:40.15 | johnx | yeah, floor is pretty buggy it seems :| |
| 01:40.24 | myu | need to debug the floor |
| 01:40.25 | myu | imo |
| 01:41.12 | pronto | i agree |
| 01:41.13 | krayon | Install surface-spray-git |
| 01:41.31 | GeneralAntilles | myu, they eat other bugs. |
| 01:41.37 | myu | and rats |
| 01:41.58 | myu | its just childhood trauma |
| 01:42.02 | myu | irrational fears |
| 01:42.08 | GeneralAntilles | Hehe |
| 01:42.15 | GeneralAntilles | This is what I usually see crawling around: http://extension.entm.purdue.edu/urban/new_urban/images/changlu_pics/American_cockroach2.jpg |
| 01:43.07 | Jaffa | should go to bed. |
| 01:43.27 | javispedro | the "bed" component is also buggy. |
| 01:43.30 | javispedro | there's no escape. |
| 01:43.31 | Jaffa | 01:43 local time is not a sensible time to have been watching Matt Smith on Craig Ferguson's chat show. |
| 01:43.37 | Jaffa | javispedro: At least I can reboot my brain |
| 01:44.53 | GeneralAntilles | But tomorrow's only Monday. |
| 01:45.24 | Jaffa | Work, tho' |
| 01:45.25 | krayon | GeneralAntilles: Ours are better: http://australian-insects.com/imguploads/Australian-Cockroach.jpg |
| 01:45.42 | GeneralAntilles | krayon, but do yours FLY? |
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| 01:47.49 | krayon | GeneralAntilles: Actually, I've never seen them fly :/ So either they can't ... or are just somewhat reluctant to do so whilst I'm trying to kill them. |
| 01:49.15 | GeneralAntilles | krayon, interesting. Evidently yes, and we've got a lot of those here in Florida, too. |
| 01:49.31 | GeneralAntilles | Apparently fairly closely related. |
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| 01:50.33 | Jaffa | This sounds like a conversation about the sequels to Tremors now ;-) |
| 01:50.57 | Jaffa | Mine don't fly, but they are bi-pedal heat seakers. |
| 01:50.58 | GeneralAntilles | That series had disturbing longevity. |
| 01:51.17 | Jaffa | never saw the TV series; nor Tremors 4 (IIRC) |
| 01:54.29 | myu | aus has some pretty hardcore spiders |
| 01:54.41 | myu | im pretty sure id shit myself over there |
| 01:55.45 | myu | in a rural area of course |
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| 01:56.27 | GeneralAntilles | Anybody know why the N900 hardware meetings were cancelled? |
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| 02:00.30 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: ping Stskeeps on #meego ;-) |
| 02:00.38 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: I'm sure he's not awake. |
| 02:00.46 | pronto | and the floor is de-bugged |
| 02:00.51 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: He'd be stupid to in his TZ. |
| 02:00.52 | Jaffa | Oh. |
| 02:00.53 | Jaffa | Right. |
| 02:00.54 | Jaffa | Gone. |
| 02:00.56 | Jaffa | G'night |
| 02:00.58 | GeneralAntilles | Jaffa: but if you want to try to dig out the reason in the morning if I don't catch him before I go to bed. . . . |
| 02:00.59 | GeneralAntilles | night |
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| 02:03.26 | pronto | http://pronto185.com/n900/camera/Hahaha.i.win.this.time.mr.evil.bug.12_12_2010.jpg see, floor= debugged |
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| 02:31.38 | comawhite | since maemo is "dead" will the control be given to the community to allow work to be added etc? or not? |
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| 03:01.24 | luke-jr | comawhite: nope :/ |
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| 03:02.08 | comawhite | luke-jr, lame |
| 03:03.53 | luke-jr | u |
| 03:03.56 | luke-jr | :p |
| 03:04.25 | comawhite | throws a windows phone 7 at luke-jr |
| 03:05.13 | SpeedEvil | watches as the phone hits luke-jr and bounces off in a strangely kinetic flowing manner. |
| 03:05.37 | javispedro | "Spurious DMA IRQ" -- first time I see it :) |
| 03:06.26 | javispedro | well, time to go. cya. |
| 03:06.36 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar you know you want it |
| 03:07.22 | MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg ^ |
| 03:07.35 | MohammadAG | I'll up source tomorrow, too tired now :/ |
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| 03:09.50 | ShadowJK | comawhite, community did updates for Maemo4, I expect to see the same thing for Maemo5, though once MeeGo comes out on an actual device people will jump there anyways.. |
| 03:13.41 | comawhite | ShadowJK, probably so, but people will still have it for another year or so. Depending on prices and also depending on how MeeGO picks up in the market |
| 03:14.46 | comawhite | ShadowJK, If the MeeGo phone is like the N900 but better (from all the reasons I heard bad of the N900), then I would see more people leaving the N900 behind |
| 03:14.54 | comawhite | But not at the start |
| 03:15.04 | comawhite | for at least a few months if any |
| 03:16.00 | ShadowJK | Yeah unfortunately it looks like many of the things that make N900 good is getting thrown away :) |
| 03:16.08 | comawhite | But if I don't like the meego phone that comes out, i'll just use my n900 until a better one |
| 03:16.21 | comawhite | ShadowJK, I hope the hell not |
| 03:16.53 | comawhite | ShadowJK, from what I've seen the n900 is capable of doing, I don't want anything gone, only improved and more added |
| 03:17.40 | comawhite | like I want the phone to expand the screen to full front screen, keep the IR, a better gui system, lighter, faster |
| 03:17.49 | comawhite | maybe more memory |
| 03:17.58 | ShadowJK | I saw this interview with Nokia design vice executive or something, he said something like that phones these days kinda suck because they can only be used by staring at the screen, so they're going to remove all hardware keys (?!) |
| 03:17.59 | comawhite | and batter battery |
| 03:18.20 | comawhite | all hardware keys? |
| 03:18.25 | ShadowJK | nfi |
| 03:18.30 | comawhite | what voice activation everything? |
| 03:18.42 | comawhite | i never liked voice controlled apps |
| 03:18.47 | comawhite | too glitchy |
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| 03:19.08 | ShadowJK | I don't think it makes sense, if you want to use it without looking at it you need more interfaces with tactile feedback so you don't have to actually look at where you're pressing on the touchscreen |
| 03:19.21 | comawhite | The N900 is very powerful, but it never really took off so to speak |
| 03:19.39 | ShadowJK | Definitely more memory though, it's the biggest weakness |
| 03:19.41 | ShadowJK | all that stuttering |
| 03:19.54 | comawhite | i get my phone wednesday ;P |
| 03:20.34 | comawhite | i didn't really see the fat problems other users complained, because i got to touch one in my job interview and it wasn't what people claimed |
| 03:20.38 | comawhite | but that's only my opinion |
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| 03:22.10 | ShadowJK | Well.. There's alot of people that are like "Oooh, it has a shoot-self-in-foot feature! Hmm.. I don't know how to use it, but there's a thread on the forum how to shoot self in foot, I'll ask there and follow the instructions unless they tell me to go back to page 1 and read the instructions already posted" (3 days later) "Hey I shot myself in the foot, this phone sucks! You suck!" |
| 03:22.56 | comawhite | Well I use Gentoo, I shot myself in the foot for months trying to understand that distro, now I enjoy it and love it :) |
| 03:23.14 | comawhite | i still get critised for loving Gentoo :P |
| 03:23.35 | ShadowJK | And then there was this guy yesterday that was like "Why does it corrupt my filesystem all the time? I overclocked to 2Ghz and undervolted, but that's unrelated" |
| 03:23.53 | comawhite | moron |
| 03:24.08 | comawhite | it's a cell phone, it's not suppose to be overclocked |
| 03:24.23 | comawhite | sure it's a OS on steroids |
| 03:24.32 | comawhite | but that's besides the point |
| 03:25.23 | ShadowJK | btw, luke is the local stallman, and he's also been trying to get KDE running on his N900 :-) |
| 03:25.34 | comawhite | hehe |
| 03:26.03 | comawhite | i hope KDE can run on it one day, but i want to see that more on meego when it's released |
| 03:26.42 | comawhite | but tbh, i think the meego phone will have more memory |
| 03:27.04 | comawhite | how's meego on the n900? |
| 03:27.46 | ShadowJK | no power management atm, it doubles as handwarmer |
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| 03:27.58 | comawhite | hehe |
| 03:28.32 | ShadowJK | gotta run, good luck with the n900 and have the firmware images and flasher utility ready for when you shoot self in foot ;-) |
| 03:28.39 | comawhite | ShadowJK, what about nitroid? |
| 03:28.53 | comawhite | hehe later |
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| 05:06.19 | blackthorne | hi |
| 05:09.49 | luke-jr | â¡ |
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| 05:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: (buy) actually I would |
| 06:01.22 | RST38h | Well. Moorning. |
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| 06:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | morning RST38h |
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| 06:52.39 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5712693/watch-the-metrodome-collapse-from-the-inside |
| 06:57.20 | lfod- | damn, i heard about it, crazy, can you imagine if that happened during gametime? |
| 06:57.28 | RST38h | yes. |
| 06:57.39 | RST38h | would be mighty spectacular, too. |
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| 07:03.05 | DocScrutinizer | considering the fact that this clip made it on virtually avery TV station's newsflash on this globe, I bet the royalties easily will buy the new roof |
| 07:04.01 | doc|home | they're replacing a very similar style roof here in Vancouver |
| 07:04.09 | doc|home | it's costing 5-600million... |
| 07:04.29 | doc|home | the new one can't even be opened or closed when it's raining... |
| 07:05.39 | RST38h | wonders what prevented the arena owners from hiring a few migrant workers to clean the roof |
| 07:06.08 | doc|home | federal law? :) |
| 07:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | I could go outside for an hour or two, and then contribute with a few near-fatal snow and icicle falls to pavement |
| 07:06.55 | doc|home | It's probably a bonus for them. now they can get the local government to buy them a new roof. (again, this is what happened here in Vancouver) |
| 07:07.11 | RST38h | doc: It is not Germany, they are still allowed to hire help in the US=) |
| 07:07.30 | doc|home | RST38h: hah, that kind of stupidity's not limited to Germany :) |
| 07:09.07 | RST38h | Oh well. TTG to work. |
| 07:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: what prevented them - pure ignorance I guess. At a certain point in time it's too late then |
| 07:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | btw "video not available" - HAHA |
| 07:12.51 | DocScrutinizer | toldya thy know how to make money out of that |
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| 07:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | get your ticket for next big roof collapse *now*, and have your 10% discount |
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| 08:15.53 | Termana | good morning |
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| 08:18.50 | NooBmonk3y | Mornin :) |
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| 08:27.18 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm if flashing meego, is it possible to do it via the usb cable to the memory card, as i have no externally memory card reader :P (Just checking :|) |
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| 08:27.35 | NooBmonk3y | (ie connected to the n900, with memory card in) |
| 08:28.22 | X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: Yes, the memory card shows up as a mass storage device. |
| 08:28.43 | NooBmonk3y | :) yay! - as it had nitrdoid on it, it seems to be showing up as 2 partitions |
| 08:28.54 | X-Fade | Another option is to copy the image to the device and dd to the memory card :) |
| 08:28.56 | NooBmonk3y | /dev/sde1 1 180060 5761919+ c W95 FAT32 (LBA) |
| 08:29.03 | NooBmonk3y | /dev/sde2 180061 242560 2000000 83 Linux |
| 08:29.13 | NooBmonk3y | assuming sde2 is the nitdroid one :P |
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| 08:30.25 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh well dloaded it to the pc, so this command should work sudo dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sdX |
| 08:30.33 | NooBmonk3y | eeeek, sudo dd bs=4096 if=<raw_image> of=/dev/sde |
| 08:31.21 | X-Fade | If you are really sure sde is the right one. |
| 08:31.46 | NooBmonk3y | hehehe - i do like the amount of warnings :P |
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| 08:32.28 | NooBmonk3y | Disk /dev/sde: 7948 MB ... it is an 8gb memory card :) |
| 08:32.39 | NooBmonk3y | (the only 8gb card :) ) |
| 08:32.49 | X-Fade | NooBmonk3y: That sounds ok then. |
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| 08:33.34 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmm 30 mins till work... lol |
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| 08:36.51 | NooBmonk3y | i really should be less nervous when i flash, done it enough lol |
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| 08:43.21 | NooBmonk3y | shoulda asked.... roughly how long should it take? lol |
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| 08:44.18 | X-Fade | Depends on the write speed of your card. |
| 08:44.31 | NooBmonk3y | oooo probably slowish, class 4 i think |
| 08:44.56 | X-Fade | MB/s * image size :) |
| 08:45.45 | X-Fade | Well the other way around and devide by.... hmm need more coffee. |
| 08:45.45 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh okies :) |
| 08:45.49 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 08:45.54 | NooBmonk3y | done yay! |
| 08:46.02 | NooBmonk3y | 1946157057 bytes (1.9 GB) copied, 188.778 s, 10.3 MB/s |
| 08:46.16 | X-Fade | sync to be sure. |
| 08:46.58 | NooBmonk3y | sync? |
| 08:47.16 | X-Fade | type 'sync', hit enter. |
| 08:47.18 | NooBmonk3y | doh, doesnt say that on the wiki :P |
| 08:47.23 | NooBmonk3y | just booted down |
| 08:47.51 | X-Fade | Well. It should be ok if you don't have writeback cache enabled ;) |
| 08:47.52 | RobbieThe1st | When you shutdown the N900 it will auto sync |
| 08:48.03 | NooBmonk3y | oo its doing something :| |
| 08:48.07 | X-Fade | Yeah, on proper shutdown you should be fine. |
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| 08:48.35 | NooBmonk3y | lol X-Fade i'm hoping it is just gonna work, but then doesn't everyone ;) |
| 08:49.01 | NooBmonk3y | eeeek 8 minutes till work :P |
| 08:49.25 | NooBmonk3y | ok, well i have a very random white pointer on a black screen, so somethings happenned |
| 08:50.11 | NooBmonk3y | yay! meego screens seem to be loading |
| 08:50.13 | NooBmonk3y | wohoooooooooooo |
| 08:50.25 | NooBmonk3y | and boooger, back in 8 hours! have a good day, and thank you X-Fade ! |
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| 09:26.54 | Noobmonk3y | thanks again X-Fade , booted into meego fine :) see what they mean about being in development, hehe |
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| 09:28.42 | X-Fade | Noobmonk3y: yeah, no performance optimizations yet. |
| 09:29.34 | Noobmonk3y | hehe, not a problem, its just to start looking at how to develop on it :) enough for me :) |
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| 10:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | (shutdown) won't help to finish a sync for mass storage mode dd. You need to "safely remove" on your PC |
| 10:01.01 | DocScrutinizer | (bs=4096) why that? it's extremely small a blocksize |
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| 10:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | s/blocksize/buffersize; as that better tells what this parameter actually does |
| 10:02.46 | DocScrutinizer | bs=1M is sorta fine |
| 10:03.36 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, was just using meego install guide from the meego site |
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| 10:39.57 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, which guide specifically, share a link to help add context :) |
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| 10:55.08 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, link is on my home pc, i am at work on n900 lol, will go look |
| 10:56.25 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC |
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| 11:01.47 | alterego | Noobmonk3y: not using uboot? :) |
| 11:02.29 | Noobmonk3y | alterego, yup i am |
| 11:02.29 | Noobmonk3y | its working :) |
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| 11:02.42 | Noobmonk3y | would be nicer to have a select screen like multiboot though |
| 11:02.44 | alterego | Cool :) |
| 11:02.58 | alterego | Yeah |
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| 11:04.12 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG's package for kernel v6 works very well! |
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| 11:16.09 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 11:25.42 | hrw | TMO users are fun |
| 11:26.21 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 11:27.02 | hrw | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66767 thread made me laugh |
| 11:27.27 | hrw | I wontfix-ed all my nokia related bugs and it turned to 9 pages discussion... |
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| 11:29.21 | BCMM | is there any way to reset the DSP without rebooting? |
| 11:29.41 | Corsac | hrw: wow, I missed the end of support announcement |
| 11:31.08 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, pong |
| 11:31.24 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, oh so it doesn't brick devices? cra... yay |
| 11:32.23 | hrw | MohammadAG: your qt mediaplayer is packaged somewhere? |
| 11:33.35 | MohammadAG | hrw, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer it's just a UI clone for now |
| 11:33.43 | hrw | ok |
| 11:33.48 | alterego | mohammediaplayer! :D |
| 11:33.55 | alterego | chuckles |
| 11:33.56 | hrw | MohammadAG: QML or normal Qt Designer ui files? |
| 11:34.12 | BCMM | MohammadAG: as in, there is no backend yet, or as in it uses the old backend for now? |
| 11:34.34 | MohammadAG | Qt designer |
| 11:34.36 | MohammadAG | stabs alterego |
| 11:34.40 | MohammadAG | no backend yet |
| 11:35.14 | lcuk | lol alterego |
| 11:35.55 | Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG , not bricked it yet anyway! |
| 11:35.58 | BCMM | is there mpd for maemo? |
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| 11:42.48 | ZogG | BCMM i think yes |
| 11:42.54 | ZogG | there are mpd and xmms2 |
| 11:43.07 | ZogG | BCMM i think it's in repos even |
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| 11:44.57 | Venemo_N900 | is the media player coming along nicely MohammadAG? |
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| 11:47.06 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, UI is almost done, lardman's been looking at adding mafw to it |
| 11:47.13 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, http://i53.tinypic.com/qqtv6s.jpg |
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| 11:47.36 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: good news :) |
| 11:47.53 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hm, what's this stuff? |
| 11:48.27 | Venemo_N900 | some sort of always-on shortcut widgets, or a bug? |
| 11:48.27 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, mediabar, similar to the 5800's, but since the N900 has no button for it, it's using the proximity |
| 11:49.00 | MohammadAG | shortcut widget, activated by the sensor |
| 11:49.06 | Venemo_N900 | mhm |
| 11:49.22 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediabar |
| 11:49.28 | MohammadAG | uploading source in a bit |
| 11:49.31 | alterego | Does compositing work for that width MohammadAG ? |
| 11:49.35 | Venemo_N900 | interesting |
| 11:49.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, composoting is? |
| 11:49.50 | Venemo_N900 | why not with the camera button? |
| 11:49.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, it's ignoring the whole desktop |
| 11:49.55 | alterego | Does transparency effects work? |
| 11:50.02 | alterego | Yes, I know. |
| 11:50.12 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 11:50.20 | MohammadAG | i was surprised it worked |
| 11:50.24 | alterego | Wicked |
| 11:50.34 | MohammadAG | Qt::QA_TranslucentBackground or sth |
| 11:50.46 | MohammadAG | s/QA/WA/ |
| 11:51.21 | alterego | I want media player controls |
| 11:51.31 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
| 11:51.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, I want transitions :P |
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| 11:51.51 | alterego | MohammadAG: where's the source? I'll give you a patch |
| 11:52.40 | MohammadAG | alterego, sec, making a git page is hard on the N900 |
| 11:53.01 | alterego | I'm thinking scroll in from the side and fade in with opacity. |
| 11:53.44 | Venemo_N900 | good idea :P |
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| 11:53.56 | Venemo_N900 | but let's use the camera key and not the sensor |
| 11:54.11 | Venemo_N900 | I always accidentally cover the sensor... |
| 11:54.11 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 11:54.22 | MohammadAG | i'm adding a timeout |
| 11:54.25 | alterego | Doesn't matter yet |
| 11:54.29 | MohammadAG | like hold for 2 seconds |
| 11:54.34 | alterego | Shortcuts can be changed. |
| 11:54.54 | MohammadAG | but the sensor is _ALWAYS_ on, so it's better to use it for something good i suppose :P |
| 11:55.23 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Finally got around to checking out Qt Media Player (really needs a good name, I still suggest Omp for its similarity to 'Amp') |
| 11:55.47 | alterego | Mohammedia player |
| 11:55.57 | alterego | I can't help it :D |
| 11:55.58 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: make it configurable then please :P |
| 11:56.01 | MohammadAG | looks like Macromedia |
| 11:56.04 | Jaffa | alterego: Hardly incites additional contribution, does it? :-p |
| 11:56.26 | alterego | Jaffa: he's going to work on Flash 10.1 next, Mohammedia Flash 10.1 |
| 11:57.17 | MohammadAG | /kick alterego |
| 11:57.21 | alterego | :) |
| 11:57.26 | alterego | You love it :P |
| 11:58.09 | Venemo_N900 | hehehe |
| 11:58.19 | MohammadAG | it sounds better than Maemohammad :P |
| 11:58.28 | alterego | :) |
| 11:58.34 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: your sense of humor is approaching lcuk's :P |
| 11:58.50 | lcuk | nahh |
| 11:59.01 | alterego | I'm not that disturbed .. Yet .. |
| 11:59.06 | Venemo_N900 | :D |
| 11:59.10 | lcuk | a quote from #liqbase |
| 11:59.12 | lcuk | * lcuk rubs his nipple in appreciation |
| 11:59.12 | lcuk | <lcuk> big circular motions too :P |
| 11:59.28 | alterego | wonders what was being apprciated at that time .. |
| 11:59.37 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 11:59.48 | lcuk | <lcuk> KotCzarny, i am enjoying my very sensitive nipple :) |
| 11:59.55 | jacekowski | hmm, it's 11:59 and i'm already bored |
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| 11:59.59 | lcuk | http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/How_to_configure_the_TrackPoint |
| 12:00.24 | lcuk | (incase you pervs thought I meant anything other than computer nipple) |
| 12:00.42 | jacekowski | nipples? |
| 12:00.44 | jacekowski | tits? |
| 12:01.04 | alterego | Heh |
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| 12:06.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar |
| 12:07.48 | alterego | Looking at it now |
| 12:08.49 | alterego | Think I'd prefer it as QML though :P |
| 12:09.08 | Corsac | lcuk: you mean your clit? |
| 12:09.19 | MohammadAG | I know I'm supposed to use the pid of the program (how do I get that in Qt?) instead of 1, but... wth |
| 12:09.20 | Corsac | (#243) |
| 12:09.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, don't get me started :P |
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| 12:10.47 | MohammadAG | meh, LaunchApplication doesn't return anything |
| 12:10.50 | MohammadAG | adjusts code |
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| 12:17.38 | alterego | error proximityd not found :D |
| 12:17.59 | alterego | installs |
| 12:18.24 | MohammadAG | good thing I added that |
| 12:18.28 | MohammadAG | but the app still launches |
| 12:18.36 | alterego | Yes |
| 12:18.39 | MohammadAG | (got no idea how to break launch from the constructor |
| 12:18.41 | MohammadAG | ) |
| 12:18.50 | alterego | QApplication::exit() ? |
| 12:19.03 | MohammadAG | that works from the constructor? |
| 12:19.12 | Venemo_N900 | yes |
| 12:19.29 | alterego | Anyhow, erm, does it not hide yet? |
| 12:19.34 | MohammadAG | last time I checked it didn't :/ |
| 12:20.03 | MohammadAG | Mediabar: ERROR: proximityd not found! |
| 12:20.04 | MohammadAG | Mediabar initialized, |
| 12:20.05 | MohammadAG | nope, doesn't work |
| 12:20.15 | alterego | Then you're doing it wrong :P |
| 12:20.17 | MohammadAG | no |
| 12:20.21 | MohammadAG | not at launch |
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| 12:20.39 | MohammadAG | afaik, I can't do this from the constructor |
| 12:20.41 | alterego | How do I get it to hide ? |
| 12:20.46 | alterego | Yes you can |
| 12:20.51 | MohammadAG | click a button |
| 12:21.21 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar/blobs/master/widget.cpp#line43 |
| 12:21.35 | MohammadAG | then why's that ignored? :) |
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| 12:21.58 | alterego | How do you get it to appear again then? |
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| 12:22.12 | MohammadAG | tap the sensor |
| 12:22.21 | alterego | It's not doing anything :/ |
| 12:22.26 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:22.39 | MohammadAG | start proximityd (why isn't that stuff started automatically...) |
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| 12:23.10 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Because it eats battery :) |
| 12:23.11 | alterego | It is, and it is running :P |
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| 12:23.25 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, nope, the sensor is always on |
| 12:23.41 | Venemo | hi |
| 12:23.46 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, and the service should be always on |
| 12:23.50 | alterego | Ah ,"respawning too fast" .. |
| 12:23.51 | alterego | Great .. |
| 12:23.54 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Are you sure about that? |
| 12:23.59 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 12:24.07 | X-Fade | Even if the screen is locked? |
| 12:24.09 | MohammadAG | two sensors, front and back, are always active |
| 12:24.14 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what's the problem? |
| 12:24.16 | MohammadAG | not sure about that, but afaik yes |
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| 12:24.59 | chem|st | re |
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| 12:25.17 | chem|st | has anyone experiences with gorillamobile and n900 yet? |
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| 12:25.39 | alterego | I think the problem is actually proximityd |
| 12:25.46 | alterego | It doesn't appear to be sending any signals .. |
| 12:26.04 | MohammadAG | well, it has to be initialized first |
| 12:26.12 | MohammadAG | which is what I do in the constructor |
| 12:26.21 | MohammadAG | so CTRL+C and start it again |
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| 12:27.54 | alterego | Still nothing. |
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| 12:35.05 | MohammadAG | alterego, figured it out yet? |
| 12:35.20 | lardman | remembers he is supposed to check the bugtracker for mBarcode bugs |
| 12:35.28 | jacekowski | i just had WTF moment |
| 12:35.32 | jacekowski | when i looked at calendar |
| 12:35.43 | jacekowski | how does it know when somebody has birthday? |
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| 12:36.05 | lardman | gets data from the contacts app |
| 12:36.10 | trx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66938 |
| 12:36.16 | trx | anyone tried this before? |
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| 12:36.48 | alterego | MohammadAG: nope |
| 12:37.07 | jacekowski | is it avrcp profile or something else? |
| 12:37.37 | lardman | I think that's a wired headphone isn't it? |
| 12:37.48 | trx | yes |
| 12:38.17 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll try restarting my device and see if that makes a difference. |
| 12:38.39 | MohammadAG | alterego, trying it on another device over ssh |
| 12:39.27 | BCMM | there seem to be several plugins to use MSN IM in maemo. anyone know the difference or have a recommendation? |
| 12:40.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, worked without a reboot (though I did start it as root) |
| 12:41.23 | Venemo | BCMM: Pecan has a bug which the author has been failing to repair for more than a half year |
| 12:41.32 | BCMM | Venemo: thanks! |
| 12:41.51 | Venemo | BCMM: Haze fails to log in about 50% of the time, and is buggy |
| 12:42.00 | BCMM | i didn't see one called haze... |
| 12:42.14 | Venemo | BCMM: it is in the "pidgin protocols plugin..." package |
| 12:42.37 | BCMM | what about "MSN protocol plugin for conversations and contacts"? |
| 12:43.05 | Venemo | BCMM: Butterfly (the plain "MSN protocol plugin") is working most of the time, sometimes it can't login and says "network error" |
| 12:43.12 | BCMM | thanks |
| 12:43.23 | BCMM | Venemo: that just happens with everything i think. their servers fail. |
| 12:43.36 | Venemo | all in all, none of them is very good for everyday use |
| 12:43.56 | BCMM | well, MSN IM itself probably isn't |
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| 12:44.09 | Venemo | it can't login even when I can from desktop |
| 12:44.14 | Venemo | so... something's wrong there |
| 12:44.18 | BCMM | Venemo: windows desktop? |
| 12:44.27 | Venemo | BCMM: yep. |
| 12:44.39 | Venemo | BCMM: I sometimes log in from Linux too (with Empathy) |
| 12:44.44 | BCMM | i think they have different servers for different protocol versions |
| 12:44.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, try running dbus-send --dest=proximityd.method.change --type=method_call --print-reply /proximityd/method/change proximityd.method.change.Change string:turnOn int32:1 |
| 12:44.49 | BCMM | (or something) |
| 12:45.17 | jacekowski | BCMM: jabber + transports is the best option |
| 12:45.18 | Venemo | BCMM: that's possible, but anyway it's annoying as hell |
| 12:45.19 | BCMM | and the ones for older protocols version go wrong quite a lot, probably to dissaude people from relying unofficial clients |
| 12:45.41 | BCMM | jacekowski: that's internet services that bridge jabber and MSN, right? |
| 12:45.47 | jacekowski | yes |
| 12:46.00 | jacekowski | msn will drain battery a lot more than jabber |
| 12:46.04 | BCMM | ah |
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| 12:46.12 | jacekowski | so you can let your jabber server do all stuff |
| 12:46.15 | BCMM | jacekowski: thanks, i'll look at that - how does one do that? |
| 12:46.24 | Venemo | BCMM: your best bet would be trying Pecan and see if you encounter its bug |
| 12:46.30 | Corsac | as if jabber wasn't draining battery like a mad |
| 12:46.56 | jacekowski | BCMM: find jabber server that has transports to msn, create account, register with transport, and use it |
| 12:47.02 | jacekowski | Corsac: msn uses a lot more |
| 12:47.14 | jacekowski | jabber is one of lightest protocols avaliable |
| 12:47.19 | BCMM | ugh, just remembered taht MSN doesn't let you log in from two clients at the same time |
| 12:47.32 | jacekowski | esspecialy if you need multiple protocols |
| 12:47.44 | jacekowski | because then you have one jabber connection and server deals with transports |
| 12:47.59 | BCMM | is it possible, using a jabber transport, to recieve incomming MSN messages on more than one machine at once? |
| 12:48.03 | jacekowski | yes |
| 12:48.07 | lardman | BCMM: you can log in from 2+ clients at the same time with the M$ client |
| 12:48.09 | BCMM | cool, thanks |
| 12:48.13 | jacekowski | but that depends on server |
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| 12:48.21 | jacekowski | some will only send messages to higher priority client |
| 12:48.23 | BCMM | jacekowski: do servers that do that offer free accounts? |
| 12:48.43 | jacekowski | it all depends on config |
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| 12:48.55 | BCMM | lardman: using unofficial MSN clients, i find that the server disconnects me if i login elsewhere |
| 12:49.10 | BCMM | jacekowski: and do you have a server you would recommend? |
| 12:49.16 | jacekowski | BCMM: i'm using my own server |
| 12:49.18 | lardman | BCMM: yes quite |
| 12:49.46 | jacekowski | BCMM: i don't trust other people |
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| 12:51.07 | BCMM | talking of battery life, is there currently any way to transport skype instant message over literally anything other than skype? |
| 12:51.28 | jacekowski | there were some attepnts |
| 12:51.31 | jacekowski | but failed |
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| 12:52.59 | BCMM | so how do these jabber transports work? you still register a proper MSN account, right? |
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| 12:54.13 | chem|st | BCMM: yes |
| 12:54.26 | BCMM | well, thanks a lot of the advice |
| 12:54.28 | chem|st | BCMM: and transports are available for most IM stuff |
| 12:55.00 | chem|st | BCMM: like ICQ and others |
| 12:55.20 | BCMM | chem|st: do you have a jabber server you'd recommend? |
| 12:55.33 | chem|st | BCMM: no I am oldschool jabber.org |
| 12:55.57 | chem|st | BCMM: that has no transports or I do not know about ;) |
| 12:56.23 | BCMM | i don't really know much about jabber... different jabber servers largely peer with one another, right? |
| 12:56.41 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 12:57.07 | BCMM | any idea of MSN/windows live messenger has a test or echo service/ |
| 12:57.19 | chem|st | BCMM: http://www.bigblueball.com/forums/general-other-im-news/33739-connect-google-talk-aim-msn-yahoo.html |
| 12:57.37 | chem|st | guess you already got an gAccount |
| 12:58.15 | chem|st | BCMM: no voip transport on most serverss |
| 12:59.08 | BCMM | is a "jabber id" username@server.tld? |
| 12:59.19 | chem|st | yes |
| 12:59.21 | Macer | wow |
| 12:59.29 | Macer | freezing :) |
| 12:59.36 | chem|st | Macer: exactly |
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| 13:00.01 | Macer | chem|st: like -100 wind chill in chicago today. i should have called off from work |
| 13:00.05 | Macer | lol |
| 13:00.34 | chem|st | BCMM: ok just read the article I posted to you myself... heavy work around... maybe there is something easier than that aailable |
| 13:01.06 | jacekowski | Corsac: not really heavy workaround |
| 13:01.09 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 13:01.16 | jacekowski | BCMM: it looks like an e-mail |
| 13:01.25 | chem|st | Macer: and what was the actual temp. ? |
| 13:01.32 | jacekowski | BCMM: for examply my jid: jacekowski@jacekowski.org and my mail: jacekowski@jacekowski.org |
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| 13:01.49 | chem|st | jacekowski: you meant me I guess |
| 13:02.10 | chem|st | jacekowski: you setup a jabber to connect to another jabber to connect to your IM... |
| 13:02.22 | Corsac | jacekowski: ? |
| 13:02.33 | chem|st | Corsac: type he was talking to me |
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| 13:03.46 | jacekowski | chem|st: don't flatter yourself |
| 13:04.03 | chem|st | jacekowski: ? |
| 13:05.23 | jacekowski | yeah, it was to you |
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| 13:10.58 | Shahab | hello |
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| 13:12.07 | Shahab | i cannot sign in to my yahoo acount |
| 13:12.32 | Shahab | what should i do |
| 13:12.36 | auenf | i cannot sign into my geocities account |
| 13:12.37 | javispedro | morning |
| 13:13.08 | Shahab | i give this error . not signed in |
| 13:13.21 | Shahab | pleas help me ! |
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| 13:14.53 | Shahab | hm.?! |
| 13:15.23 | Venemo | Shahab: forgot your password? |
| 13:15.32 | Shahab | nono ! |
| 13:15.50 | Shahab | i can sign in to my acount by pidgin |
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| 13:16.03 | Shahab | but |
| 13:16.14 | Venemo | [14:12] <Shahab> i cannot sign in to my yahoo acount -> so this was a lie |
| 13:16.47 | Shahab | in conversation and contact |
| 13:16.49 | javispedro | .oO(Probably he's asking on #maemo because he's talking about a Maemo application being unable to login) |
| 13:17.10 | javispedro | which could cause if Yahoo killed third party clients. again. |
| 13:17.12 | Venemo | well then there's a Maemo version of Pidgin, use that |
| 13:17.24 | javispedro | s/cause/happen |
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| 13:22.38 | chem|st | Venemo: good one ;) |
| 13:23.07 | Venemo | chem|st: :P |
| 13:23.27 | chem|st | be nice ppl... the sheep will thank you! |
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| 13:29.07 | OS6081 | hello! Someone can tell me the output of "ls /usr/share/sharing/services" on his n900,pls ? |
| 13:30.06 | Venemo | OS6081: as root or as user? |
| 13:30.48 | Venemo | OS6081: as user, it's 'flickr.service.xml ovi.service.xml' |
| 13:31.12 | OS6081 | tks! |
| 13:31.33 | OS6081 | I have to understand why "share by email" is not working! |
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| 13:35.55 | ag0ny | I am looking for a possibility to use the N900 as microphone. I have a soundsystem connected to the line out and play music from the phone. Now I am looking for a software that lets me talk to the N900 and send my voice to the soundsystem. Is there a software for this? |
| 13:36.28 | ag0ny | At best with a voiceover function for the internal media player |
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| 13:37.20 | javispedro | ag0ny: pulseaudio itself does that |
| 13:37.35 | chem|st | ag0ny: pulseaudio.org may not be your friend but is the handler |
| 13:38.03 | chem|st | ag0ny: I tried to get networking working and remained trying... |
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| 13:38.46 | javispedro | chem|st: there's some incompatibility with modern pulseaudio client libraries and the older maemo version |
| 13:38.54 | javispedro | chem|st: there are some threads on tm |
| 13:38.54 | javispedro | o |
| 13:39.10 | javispedro | I've done it at least twice, so it is doable. I used the debian lenny libraries. |
| 13:39.24 | chem|st | javispedro: not only that but the way nokia cut off its balls makes it quiet hard to handle |
| 13:39.48 | javispedro | tbh I do not think it is Nokia's fault. |
| 13:40.28 | javispedro | (well, save for keeping an outdated version...) |
| 13:40.37 | chem|st | javispedro: it is run as system-wide daemon what is not recommended and actually never needed |
| 13:41.13 | javispedro | chem|st: note that the pulseaudio author itself says "not recommended ... save for embedded systems" |
| 13:41.59 | chem|st | javispedro: "if realy needed that way" |
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| 13:42.08 | javispedro | actual quote is here: http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/SystemWideInstance |
| 13:42.35 | javispedro | chem|st: it says "it makes sense to use the system-wide mode in embedded systems where no real notion of a user exists" (which is exactly what Maemo is) |
| 13:42.51 | chem|st | javispedro: we have "user" |
| 13:43.03 | javispedro | chem|st: single user. |
| 13:43.13 | chem|st | so what? |
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| 13:43.18 | Venemo | and PA is run as "user", yes |
| 13:43.32 | chem|st | Venemo: no it is run as "pulse" |
| 13:43.40 | Venemo | hm |
| 13:43.49 | Venemo | so there's a special account for PA? |
| 13:43.51 | Venemo | interesting |
| 13:43.52 | javispedro | chem|st: no real notion of user. |
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| 13:44.45 | chem|st | javispedro: how do you control the daemon? I never got a clue how to do that without braking somethin |
| 13:44.56 | javispedro | install pulseaudio-extra package and run pacmd |
| 13:45.17 | javispedro | (pulseaudio-extra iirc, maybe -utils or -modules-extra) |
| 13:45.24 | chem|st | javispedro: as user and as root you get a there is no server running for your user |
| 13:45.45 | javispedro | ah yes, you need to load the console module |
| 13:46.01 | Necc | Venemo: check /etc/passwd |
| 13:46.12 | chem|st | javispedro: but how do I load a module without being able to tell pulse? |
| 13:46.19 | Necc | there's a lot of different users with no shell for different processes |
| 13:46.26 | MohammadAG | wants a C++ IDE for the N900 :/ |
| 13:46.27 | javispedro | chem|st: edit default.pa and reboot |
| 13:46.40 | chem|st | javispedro: ah ok sure |
| 13:46.52 | javispedro | chem|st: iirc there's actually a comment in that file telling you how to do it (cause Nokia had to it ot debug I guess) |
| 13:47.00 | Venemo | Necc: you are right :) thx |
| 13:47.12 | chem|st | ;) |
| 13:47.15 | Venemo | MohammadAG: there's KhtEditor, but that needs a little bit of work |
| 13:47.17 | alterego | MohammadAG: still no joy |
| 13:47.38 | MohammadAG | alterego, run the dbus command I gave you |
| 13:47.49 | MohammadAG | then run the app |
| 13:48.42 | MohammadAG | fyi, I added a QTimer (not yet comitted since i'm away from the laptop), to it |
| 13:48.56 | MohammadAG | so it should only show if the proximity was held for some time |
| 13:49.10 | MohammadAG | (will make it customizable later) |
| 13:49.53 | alterego | Yeah, that's working. |
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| 13:50.14 | MohammadAG | nano's cool with syntax highlighting |
| 13:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | a noob question: how to edit (cut, concatenate, audio-edit) videos taken on N900, prior to sharing them? |
| 13:50.47 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: without also using a PC? |
| 13:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | of course |
| 13:51.10 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: no idea :( |
| 13:52.04 | javispedro | chem|st: I just remembered that there's a command lime parameter to make pulseaudio drop to a cmd line after daemonizing. You might want to use that for a quick hack. |
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| 13:52.52 | javispedro | chem|st: (by stopping pulse then starting it mimicking what the init.d script does) |
| 13:55.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there was talks about a video editor app (pitivi?), I'm not sure they went anywhere |
| 13:57.22 | javispedro | ok, this made me laugh. |
| 13:58.03 | javispedro | So I tell this guy "Maybe what you're saying sounds like nonsense to me because neither of us are native speakers", trying to be humble all while saying he's talking bullshit |
| 13:58.29 | javispedro | the guy's answer? "you should then use google 'transliterator'!!! [sic] |
| 13:58.33 | alterego | Weird .. |
| 13:58.38 | alterego | Can't get it to animate |
| 13:58.49 | Venemo | what is a 'transliterator'? |
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| 13:59.18 | javispedro | Venemo: I think he meant "translator", but got it wrong. |
| 13:59.25 | Venemo | hehe :D |
| 14:00.36 | javispedro | ponders leaving the niceties apart.. |
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| 14:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details *priceless* |
| 14:07.03 | alterego | Interesting. |
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| 14:08.38 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, look at that: http://rudd-o.com/en/linux-and-free-software/how-pulseaudio-works/images/pulseaudio-diagram.png?isImage=1 makes it obvious why most apps today (remember: ALSA been THE audio standard on linux until recently) are way better off without PA |
| 14:09.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, got a patch? :P |
| 14:09.14 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ALSA suxs!! |
| 14:09.19 | alterego | MohammadAG: working on it :P |
| 14:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | BS, PA sux!! |
| 14:09.47 | MohammadAG | sound sux, *sets pc to mute* |
| 14:09.53 | Venemo | none of them sux |
| 14:10.13 | MohammadAG | seriously, let's grow up, but first... |
| 14:10.19 | MohammadAG | KDE SUX!!!1! |
| 14:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | and actually it hasn't any offer that's better than pure ALSA, on their own site http://pulseaudio.org/wiki/AboutPulseAudio#Details, except "playback on a different machine" |
| 14:11.06 | javispedro | actually alsa also has rtp support |
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| 14:11.14 | javispedro | so it could be used for network audio |
| 14:11.33 | javispedro | but seriously, both ALSA and PA are awfully complex monsters. |
| 14:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | while introducing heeluva overhead with all those TCP and whatnot layers |
| 14:11.56 | MohammadAG | failed to start a gnome vs KDE war |
| 14:12.08 | javispedro | MohammadAG: try on #meego, more qt people there |
| 14:12.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG: KDE doesn't sux, it is just unusable |
| 14:12.17 | MohammadAG | opens a "I'm buying an iPhone thread" on tmo |
| 14:12.31 | MohammadAG | moves the " back one word |
| 14:12.33 | Venemo | MohammadAG: there're already many threads like that |
| 14:12.41 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it's still sane in there |
| 14:12.52 | ag0ny | javispedro: Could please give further details as to how forwarding mic to line out can be done? |
| 14:12.57 | MohammadAG | well, partially |
| 14:13.21 | javispedro | ag0ny: where do you want to forward it? You should have some experience with doing it previously or this is just going to be to long to explain |
| 14:14.13 | javispedro | NOOOOOOOOOOOoo |
| 14:14.30 | javispedro | accidentally closes the tab where I was writing a lengthy rebuttal troll post |
| 14:14.46 | MohammadAG | javispedro, ouch |
| 14:14.54 | MohammadAG | would just rewrite it |
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| 14:15.20 | MohammadAG | that's why i never close tabs, and end up with 20+ tabs at shutdown |
| 14:15.30 | javispedro | the new post is not going to be the same, not in the mood any longer =( |
| 14:15.55 | ag0ny | javispedro: I want to forward it to line out |
| 14:16.30 | javispedro | ag0ny: use a cable. =). |
| 14:16.44 | javispedro | well, speaking seriously, is that a windows machine? |
| 14:17.05 | Macer | hm |
| 14:17.05 | javispedro | I have no idea how to do networked audio on windows |
| 14:17.11 | Macer | swapped over to nitdroid |
| 14:18.22 | X-Fade | Sure, what is your meego.com account? |
| 14:18.31 | ag0ny | javispedro: No, its nothing network...is only using the n900 as microphone. The hifi-system ist connected via the line out jack |
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| 14:19.31 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, mohammad7410, but are you on the right channel? :P |
| 14:20.16 | javispedro | ag0ny: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, I totally misunderstood you. |
| 14:20.35 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: Yeah, I know.. :) |
| 14:20.40 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAaaaa OMFG!!! >>The Device Chooser will discover other sound servers running on the LAN by using Zeroconf/Avahi technolgy. Therefore make sure to compile PulseAudio with Avahi support and load the Zeroconf module on all machines on the LAN.<< |
| 14:20.46 | javispedro | ag0ny: open a terminal, type "pacat -r | pacat" |
| 14:20.55 | javispedro | and enjoy |
| 14:21.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: let me guess: you hate both PA and Avahi? |
| 14:21.19 | DocScrutinizer | YEP! |
| 14:21.25 | MohammadAG | and gnome |
| 14:21.38 | BCMM | the network thing is the only useful feature of PA, as far as I can see |
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| 14:21.45 | MohammadAG | and gconf... wait, who doesn't hate that? |
| 14:21.48 | BCMM | and as far as i can see, it hardly every actually works |
| 14:21.57 | javispedro | MohammadAG: gconf rules! |
| 14:21.57 | alterego | MohammadAG: got something working but its' a bit shit. |
| 14:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | I simply ignore gnome, as far as possible. Alas it always is crossing my way in shape of g* shit |
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| 14:22.15 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: is there anything you like =) |
| 14:22.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, define shit :P |
| 14:22.25 | MohammadAG | javispedro, seriously? |
| 14:22.28 | lcuk | javispedro, lol |
| 14:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | yeah! bash for example :-D |
| 14:22.46 | MohammadAG | waits for a nick change: |
| 14:22.47 | javispedro | heh |
| 14:23.07 | alterego | MohammadAG: I tell you want, I'll give you the patch ;) |
| 14:23.09 | MohammadAG | there it is ^ |
| 14:23.28 | javispedro | jiggles |
| 14:23.55 | alterego | MohammadAG: I think I have a solution though, but I'll have to work on that myself in a bit. |
| 14:23.59 | alterego | Need to have a shower. |
| 14:24.12 | MohammadAG | got a prebuilt binary? |
| 14:24.14 | MohammadAG | oh, k |
| 14:24.24 | javispedro | ag0ny: you might need to install pulseaudio-utils, use "rootsh apt-get install pulseaudio-utils" (no need to enable any repository) |
| 14:25.01 | MohammadAG | rootsh has been deprectated |
| 14:25.08 | javispedro | ah. |
| 14:25.18 | javispedro | so what's it these days? |
| 14:25.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/research/mohammediabar/ |
| 14:25.30 | MohammadAG | root for a shell |
| 14:25.39 | MohammadAG | grumbles |
| 14:25.42 | alterego | :D |
| 14:25.53 | alterego | I'm sorry, I really can't help it ... |
| 14:26.01 | MohammadAG | is that associated with me till I die? |
| 14:26.06 | alterego | ;) |
| 14:26.08 | javispedro | uses "rootify", which enables "sudo -s" |
| 14:26.18 | alterego | uses ssh root@localhost |
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| 14:26.36 | javispedro | hits alterego for wasteful use of encryption |
| 14:26.39 | alterego | I've never used rootsh or whatever .. |
| 14:26.49 | alterego | Would you prefer I use telnet? :P |
| 14:26.51 | MohammadAG | alterego, no binary? |
| 14:27.12 | alterego | MohammadAG: look now |
| 14:27.13 | MohammadAG | qmake; make is slow on the N900 :P |
| 14:27.14 | alterego | (refresh |
| 14:27.57 | alterego | Unfortunately can't seem to use QPropertyAnimation, so I had to create my own animation from QTimeLine |
| 14:28.09 | alterego | And to force it to update I need to hide and show. |
| 14:28.15 | alterego | I support update might work actually. |
| 14:29.02 | alterego | Hrm, no, that doesn'#t work ;) |
| 14:29.08 | MohammadAG | side to side would've been nice :P |
| 14:29.27 | alterego | I do however, have an idea, but, like I said I need a shower then I'll try and mock something up ;) |
| 14:29.30 | alterego | Also, the buttons are too big. |
| 14:29.35 | alterego | It makes the icons look crap :P |
| 14:30.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, you seem to like small buttons more :P |
| 14:31.09 | alterego | has just had an idea |
| 14:32.44 | alterego | You know how android has that swipe down thing for notifications? |
| 14:32.57 | alterego | Why don't we have something like that for this. |
| 14:33.12 | javispedro | swipe down from the top on the screen in n900 works badly |
| 14:33.17 | alterego | Do you mind if I steal your idea and work on a mediaplayer control? |
| 14:33.23 | javispedro | because of the sensitiviness issues in corners |
| 14:33.33 | alterego | javispedro: sure |
| 14:33.38 | alterego | Worth a try though |
| 14:33.57 | javispedro | I tried already, don't remember why though... |
| 14:34.16 | alterego | We could also hook into power button, so as the power menu comes down our widget goes up :) |
| 14:34.39 | javispedro | I think systemui eats the power button events.. |
| 14:34.51 | javispedro | I wanted to use the powerbutton for preenv. |
| 14:34.56 | alterego | Sure but they're emitted over dbus |
| 14:35.02 | javispedro | not sure. |
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| 14:35.47 | alterego | yeah button press is on the system bus for the power button |
| 14:36.04 | javispedro | I think we already had this conversation.. |
| 14:36.10 | alterego | anyway, I gotta jump in the shower |
| 14:36.26 | javispedro | I remember explaining that for some reason there is a d-bus event 2 sec-s after a button press |
| 14:36.54 | alterego | bbiafm |
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| 14:41.01 | lardman | thinks it would be nice to have a contacts app that handles relationships too |
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| 14:49.19 | ag0ny | javispedro: I got pulseaudio-utils installed now |
| 14:54.37 | javispedro | ag0ny: type "pacat -r | pacat" and press intro |
| 14:54.42 | javispedro | then shout to the n900 |
| 14:54.48 | javispedro | (on terminal, of course) |
| 14:57.18 | ag0ny | Thats basically working, but its not overlay to the mediaplayer? |
| 14:57.21 | ag0ny | overlaying |
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| 14:57.33 | javispedro | what do you mean? it mutes the media player? |
| 14:57.40 | jacekowski | javispedro: pacat? |
| 14:57.42 | ag0ny | no, it does not |
| 14:58.11 | ag0ny | javispedro: I don't hear my voice, only the title played by the media player |
| 14:58.59 | javispedro | jacekowski: pacat. what? |
| 14:59.56 | javispedro | ag0ny: yeah, you're right. hmpf. |
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| 15:00.16 | javispedro | curses |
| 15:00.36 | javispedro | you'll need to modify the policy... |
| 15:00.54 | javispedro | or use another media player, like mplayer |
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| 15:01.32 | ag0ny | How would I modify the policy? |
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| 15:04.12 | javispedro | using mplayer would be easier |
| 15:04.28 | javispedro | and mplayer is a cmd line application, so you get the idea =) |
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| 15:08.20 | GAN900 | Jaffa, lot of front page content looks nice. |
| 15:08.42 | Jaffa | GAN900: Long week! Thanks for your help, as ever. |
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| 15:30.48 | scoobertron | The nokia RSS widget restricts post titles to 2 lines. Does anyone know if this can be changed? (I am using it for twitter and it is cutting off the end of tweets). |
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| 15:37.02 | andre__ | scoobert1on, don't think so. it's quite dead software |
| 15:37.38 | Venemo | scoobert1on: I've always wanted to make an RSS widget |
| 15:38.22 | lardman | Sounds like we've all realised too late in the day that we should have replaced all the built-in apps |
| 15:38.57 | lardman | shame Nokia didn't just come out and say that nothing would get fixed so we would have got on with it before the platform was (nearly) EOL |
| 15:39.20 | SpeedEvil | yep. |
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| 15:39.30 | Venemo | lol lardman |
| 15:39.40 | lardman | Hmm, that came out sounding more bitter than I intended, I'm not, I just think it's a shame we're getting cracking now when we could have done it earlier |
| 15:40.00 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I completely agree unfortunately. |
| 15:40.08 | SpeedEvil | lardman: It's the curse of many open projects. |
| 15:40.49 | lardman | I'm not bothered, but I always assumed that these easy bugs and even cool features would get fixed so it wasn't worth wasting my time doing something that would soon be replaced |
| 15:41.03 | lardman | s/replaced/sorted out |
| 15:41.24 | SpeedEvil | lardman: For example - SHR - the current openmoko community project - is in the state that if it was like this 2 years ago - and there is no real fundamental reason it couldn't have been if OM corporate had had a big public list of stuff they're not doing. |
| 15:41.24 | alterego | Crazy, that usb ethernet adapter doesn't need more power?! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IyeSNGCWTA |
| 15:42.02 | GAN900 | isn't sure he likes being able to smell again. |
| 15:42.24 | BCMM | this is why you need to clean even when you have a cold? |
| 15:42.27 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: I wouldn't put my finger on wheter having such a list would have changed anything here |
| 15:42.34 | lcuk | GAN900, yeah we have been able to smell you for a while now |
| 15:42.41 | lcuk | perhaps you should shower more often :P |
| 15:43.01 | lardman | unplugs his smello-usb add-on |
| 15:43.24 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: I dunno. |
| 15:43.31 | GAN900 | lcuk, yes, but my beard's still better than yours. :P |
| 15:43.43 | lcuk | GAN900, sure |
| 15:44.02 | scoobert1on | ok, well failing that, can I get curl or wget anywhere. I have both extra-testing and devel enabled but can't seem to find it anywhere. |
| 15:44.39 | lcuk | but both our moustaches pale compared to: http://liqbase.net/meego.movember.motivator.20101117_073.jpg |
| 15:44.42 | lardman | SpeedEvil: Open source needs some driving force to do stuff that people don't like doing - like docs and prettifying |
| 15:45.24 | SpeedEvil | lardman: I mean open source in the sense of there is source to typical commercial applications, and vendors would often accept patches. |
| 15:45.33 | SpeedEvil | Nothing to do with the licence in this case. |
| 15:45.51 | lardman | sure |
| 15:46.12 | lardman | fixing small things |
| 15:46.34 | GAN900 | lcuk, well, he doesn't have a beard. |
| 15:46.57 | SpeedEvil | Rearchitecting is a different question, and requires much more interaction with the community admittedly. |
| 15:47.32 | lcuk | GAN900, he does not need a beard! |
| 15:47.38 | lcuk | that 'tash makes up for it |
| 15:47.41 | BCMM | lardman: plenty of people like prettifying software, don't they? |
| 15:47.49 | lardman | really? |
| 15:47.54 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 15:47.54 | lardman | once it works that's it ;) |
| 15:48.06 | BCMM | do you mean as in cleaning up code, or as in beautifying interfaces? |
| 15:48.11 | SpeedEvil | I could almost do that tash in a couple more weeks with some wax. |
| 15:48.13 | lcuk | there is something that should be a level above open source |
| 15:48.29 | lardman | BCMM: Making pretty interfaces |
| 15:48.29 | lcuk | its not easy getting into a codebase of even fully open source |
| 15:48.33 | lcuk | it should be accessible |
| 15:48.34 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:48.58 | lardman | lcuk: but it's easier than having to write the entire app from scratch again |
| 15:49.15 | SpeedEvil | lardman: sometimes |
| 15:49.17 | lcuk | of course lardman |
| 15:49.22 | lcuk | but in maemo world |
| 15:49.30 | lardman | and that's the alternative I mean |
| 15:49.36 | lcuk | we had a perfectly valid supreme (according to some) media player already |
| 15:49.39 | lcuk | that was open source |
| 15:49.45 | lcuk | s/was/is/ |
| 15:49.49 | lcuk | canola |
| 15:49.54 | lardman | too slow though |
| 15:50.01 | lcuk | on n900? |
| 15:50.05 | GAN900 | Yes, but it's dead and the libs are bitrotting. |
| 15:50.16 | lcuk | GAN900, gsoc2010 had people working on it |
| 15:50.17 | lcuk | for m5 |
| 15:50.18 | lardman | it was also closed originally iirc |
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| 15:50.26 | lardman | and required some large deps |
| 15:50.30 | lcuk | over this summer just gone |
| 15:50.30 | javispedro | and it does not integrate well with fremantle. |
| 15:50.37 | lcuk | it should have come out by now afaik |
| 15:50.43 | lcuk | of course |
| 15:50.47 | lcuk | but that is just one example |
| 15:50.55 | BCMM | lardman: where it is possible to prettify apps without having to understand their internals, plenty of people who maybe don't have the skills to hack the core can enjoy improving the UI |
| 15:51.28 | lardman | BCMM: I'm simply saying that prettifying is a low priority generally, if it happens at all |
| 15:51.36 | javispedro | admits that he would like the source of the nokia fremantle mediaplayer for laziness+afraid_of_changes reasons |
| 15:51.51 | BCMM | lardman: for hackers, yeah |
| 15:52.02 | javispedro | it's easier to fix the one bug that would make me dislike the current mediaplayer than change it entirely. |
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| 15:52.16 | lcuk | javispedro, it does integrate very very well :) |
| 15:52.17 | lardman | same here, laziness, though MohammadAG has produced a nice replacement UI and I'm having a look at the mafw backend which should be pretty simple |
| 15:52.18 | BCMM | lardman: i seem to recall much debate over how to put artists that can't code in touch with coders who make ugly stuff |
| 15:53.02 | lardman | BCMM: But the designers need to learn to code as I don't want to have to interpret their instructions and prettify (for example) rather than writing new cool features |
| 15:53.15 | lardman | this changes if it's part of your job, rather than your hobby |
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| 15:54.24 | javispedro | lardman: but using Mohamediaplayer is a change already (it's Qt for a start). Media player is simple enough that this might not matter, but for the rest... |
| 15:54.44 | lardman | javispedro: I quite agree |
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| 15:55.03 | lardman | and equally it's a bit of a waste of time having to write it when a few patches would be enough |
| 15:55.19 | javispedro | I know how this movie ends already :) |
| 15:55.26 | Venemo | javispedro: Mohammediaplayer :D:D |
| 15:57.06 | BCMM | lardman: well, maybe this is one advantage of stuff like Qt that slightly separates the UI design from the coding |
| 15:58.24 | yacc_ | Any way to make icd2 reload it's configuration? |
| 15:58.39 | javispedro | yacc_: IAPs are reloaded every often |
| 15:59.15 | yacc_ | javispedro, not often enough I fear in my case, I want to rename "Dummy connection" into "USB connection" just before making icd2 connect it. |
| 15:59.42 | javispedro | are you sure you can do that? the name comes from the plugin |
| 16:00.18 | lardman | that's another annoyance, why can't the disconnect dialog display the current connection when it displays so you can just click disconnect without needing to wait for the scan to be completed just in case you want to change connection? |
| 16:00.32 | lardman | s/displays/first displays |
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| 16:01.07 | yacc_ | javispedro, you can do that, but I want to rename it only inside ifup usb0 |
| 16:01.43 | javispedro | yacc_: I mean that the network type plugin is the one telling the UI the name of the found networks, so maybe it has the name hardcoded. |
| 16:01.53 | yacc_ | javispedro, no it's not. |
| 16:02.05 | javispedro | either way, you don't want to reload icd2 config but the plugin config, which is a different story.. |
| 16:02.11 | yacc_ | gconftool-2 -s -t string /system/osso/connectivity/IAP/DUMMY/name "Dummy network" <= you can enter any string and it's shown. |
| 16:02.16 | javispedro | fortunately the plugin (dummy?) should be open |
| 16:02.35 | yacc_ | Actually libicd-network-null |
| 16:02.55 | javispedro | dummy is made by a nokia employee btw |
| 16:03.05 | javispedro | there was also libicd-network-usb, which you might be interetsted in |
| 16:03.13 | javispedro | as it is specific to usb0 |
| 16:03.26 | javispedro | and will actually set up / tear down usb0 for yo |
| 16:03.28 | yacc_ | javispedro, well, the libicd-network-usb did not work out that well for me, ... |
| 16:03.29 | javispedro | *you |
| 16:05.30 | javispedro | well, no idea why it did not work... |
| 16:06.14 | javispedro | ah |
| 16:06.23 | javispedro | note that icd2 might be caching network results for 30 seconds |
| 16:06.27 | javispedro | iirc. |
| 16:06.47 | javispedro | I do not think you can prevent that without editing the plugin |
| 16:09.09 | luke-jr | o.o I just herd meego is dead! |
| 16:09.35 | Venemo | luke-jr: wtf? |
| 16:09.42 | javispedro | luke-jr: on talk.maemo.org? |
| 16:09.48 | lardman | heard? |
| 16:09.50 | MohammadAG | car accident |
| 16:10.01 | MohammadAG | he couldn't make it |
| 16:10.02 | javispedro | I just read there that Nokia is going to use Windows 7! |
| 16:10.07 | lardman | or like Buffalo? |
| 16:10.08 | javispedro | oh wait, they already do. |
| 16:10.12 | luke-jr | #mer |
| 16:10.24 | Venemo | wut? |
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| 16:10.33 | luke-jr | TomaszD sed so |
| 16:10.49 | wallblom | please link to this information |
| 16:11.00 | javispedro | jiggles |
| 16:11.16 | wallblom | <3 |
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| 16:12.02 | luke-jr | dead men/sw don't speak |
| 16:12.20 | lardman | what's happened to the #mer irc logs? |
| 16:12.42 | luke-jr | http://tinyurl.com/ngroq8 ? |
| 16:12.48 | GAN900 | lardman, they're filled with confidential information. |
| 16:13.04 | lardman | GAN900: ? |
| 16:13.12 | lardman | luke-jr: those stop around May this year |
| 16:13.19 | luke-jr | Wat about teh pizza? |
| 16:13.29 | lardman | GAN900: like moving to Windows you mean ;) |
| 16:14.04 | GAN900 | lardman, like that. |
| 16:14.38 | TomaszD | it is indeed dead luke-jr |
| 16:14.52 | TomaszD | I've heard it from a man on the street |
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| 16:15.05 | javispedro | prepares the rumor machine |
| 16:15.05 | luke-jr | a man, or /the/ manâ |
| 16:15.18 | lardman | and in that case s/street/dark alley |
| 16:17.34 | yacc_ | javispedro, works, seems like deleting the DUMMY connection and just adding the two entries makes more sense and works better. |
| 16:17.43 | lardman | TomaszD: go on, where did you hear it? |
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| 16:18.00 | TomaszD | on the corner |
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| 16:18.10 | TomaszD | I was walking from work |
| 16:18.16 | TomaszD | and he told me |
| 16:18.34 | lardman | ok :) |
| 16:18.35 | yacc_ | Wonder if one might be able to even to have a specific USBnet icon in the status bar. |
| 16:18.53 | lardman | stops worrying |
| 16:19.00 | javispedro | yacc_: you could on Diablo, never tried if it still works in Fremantle. |
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| 16:19.17 | GAN900 | TomaszD, damn hipster Nokians. |
| 16:19.18 | javispedro | yacc_: under network_types in gconf you will find "icon" entry |
| 16:19.22 | yacc_ | javispedro, well for the moment I'll live without it :) |
| 16:19.27 | yacc_ | javispedro, yeah I noticed. |
| 16:19.28 | javispedro | ok :) |
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| 16:19.38 | yacc_ | javispedro, the question is where do these strings point to? |
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| 16:20.03 | javispedro | yacc_: standard icon name convention |
| 16:20.12 | yacc_ | Anyway, now I just need to add some really sick addons like starting x11vnc automatically, dimming the display and I'm rather happy. |
| 16:20.17 | javispedro | heh |
| 16:21.09 | javispedro | watches elliot carver appropiately say "there's no news like bad news" |
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| 16:21.21 | yacc_ | Another thing I've noticed, my n900 can be rather slow in picking up GSM/UMTS connections (not the data connection, the complete connection is gone and does not pickup for 10-15 minutes, till I manually switch between Dual/2G/3G in which case it registers with the network rather fast) |
| 16:21.23 | yacc_ | Any idea? |
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| 16:29.18 | Venemo | yacc_: I experience it too, espeacially in poorly covered areas |
| 16:30.53 | Venemo | yacc_: there are a few metro stations where there should be coverage, but the N900 finds it quite slowly |
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| 16:36.09 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: also a PA "hater"? then you'll adore this: http://0pointer.de/blog/projects/pulse.html - esp some of the lengthy posts way down |
| 16:36.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: let's say I dislike it, but not hate. |
| 16:36.56 | yacc_ | Venemo, well, inside the city limits of Vienna, Austria, actually crossing most of the city during that 15 minutes. |
| 16:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | btw Lennart admits PA is *adding* latency, compared to pure ALSA (a rather obvious fact) |
| 16:37.20 | Venemo | yacc_: mine is not so troublesome |
| 16:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | and he recommends JACK et al stay away from PA |
| 16:37.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: obviously. the question is wheter it adds a measurable amount of latency. because dmix also adds latency. |
| 16:37.55 | yacc_ | javispedro, the only issue being that A1 has no EGPRS inside big cities, OTOH, these stupid jerks have already enabled LTE, ... |
| 16:38.09 | javispedro | yacc_: ETAB ;) |
| 16:38.10 | pupnik | 'polyp audio' is hilarious |
| 16:38.23 | yacc_ | javispedro, ETAB? |
| 16:38.23 | MohammadAG | stabs QtDbus |
| 16:38.33 | MohammadAG | Tab error |
| 16:38.38 | javispedro | yacc_: you wanted to say Venemo, don't you? :) |
| 16:38.52 | yacc_ | javispedro, right ;) |
| 16:38.59 | Venemo | yacc_: ouch |
| 16:39.46 | javispedro | I liked PulseAudio more back when it was Polypaudio. It was simpler. |
| 16:39.50 | Venemo | yacc_: EDGE is quite stable in here |
| 16:40.08 | javispedro | I like the core concept. I think a lot of stuff that ALSA tries to do should be done by a userspace daemon |
| 16:40.35 | javispedro | Pulseaudio is no longer a userspace daemon though, and is more like a multiuse swiss knife |
| 16:40.35 | yacc_ | Venemo, yeah, OTOH, since I've got an external charger for my second BL-5J, I can live quite well UMTS/HSDPA, ... |
| 16:41.03 | yacc_ | OTOH, I've got the impression that the n900 can only very roughly estimate the charge of the battery. |
| 16:41.26 | Venemo | yacc_: UMTS, HSPA is also working well when there's coverage. I mostly use dual mode |
| 16:42.08 | yacc_ | Venemo, well, EDGE would be my favorite, best compromise between battery and bandwidth. |
| 16:42.43 | yacc_ | UMTS/HSDPA drains the battery under 3 hours in constant use, ... |
| 16:42.52 | Venemo | yacc_: yeah. the 2nd best is HSDPA |
| 16:43.13 | Venemo | yacc_: yes, it does drain the battery, but EDGE does that too sometimes |
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| 16:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and a lot of stuff that PA does should be done in kernel space |
| 16:45.11 | javispedro | PA does three things (aiui): abstraction, policy, and mixing. |
| 16:45.24 | javispedro | these should be separate. |
| 16:45.46 | javispedro | I might want abstraction but not mixing (for ex. if I have a hwmix card) |
| 16:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ack |
| 16:47.22 | javispedro | not sure I would want to move any of them to the kernel though. |
| 16:47.28 | javispedro | abstraction would be the first candidate IMHO. |
| 16:47.40 | javispedro | the ALSA API sucks. |
| 16:48.00 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: even if you don't, mixing is probably better done in a hw related kernel domain |
| 16:48.04 | javispedro | I would kill it will with fire and exporting something more simpler and raw to user space. |
| 16:48.09 | javispedro | *export |
| 16:48.13 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not sure. |
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| 16:48.23 | javispedro | even Windows does it in user space these days |
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| 16:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | always thought windows does everything in userspace |
| 16:49.45 | javispedro | pre-vista windows did mixing in kks |
| 16:49.50 | javispedro | s/kks/kernel space |
| 16:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | windoes has a kernel? (j/k) |
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| 16:50.38 | jacekowski | windows has kernel |
| 16:50.48 | jacekowski | and lot of stuff is done in kernel space |
| 16:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | nah, impooooosible |
| 16:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | must be a new thing, like post-ME |
| 16:51.28 | javispedro | indeed. hehe. |
| 16:51.45 | jacekowski | it's more like post dos |
| 16:52.01 | jacekowski | that first dos gui already had kernel |
| 16:52.07 | jacekowski | how was it called |
| 16:52.10 | jacekowski | windows 1.0 |
| 16:52.40 | javispedro | notes that if you're non-jokingly asserting that w1.0 had a kernel, the by definition DOS also had one. |
| 16:52.55 | jacekowski | but first real kernel was in win95 |
| 16:53.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, there's been a process called "kernl16" or sth, child of GUI, which in turn is child of DOS :-P |
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| 16:53.22 | javispedro | notes the same applies to win9x |
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| 16:54.34 | DocScrutinizer | don't mess with me and call an "OS" that's doing cooperative multitasking without any dispatcher a kernel based OS |
| 16:55.00 | javispedro | would |
| 16:55.07 | javispedro | the FreeDOS people do, for ex. |
| 16:55.17 | jacekowski | well, win9x had proper kernel |
| 16:55.25 | yacc_ | DocScrutinizer: Windows has no kernel, as the last Windows that I used myself was Windows 95, and that did not have a kernel, ... |
| 16:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | WTF how did we get here X-D |
| 16:55.46 | javispedro | it's a fun topic for CS guys. |
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| 16:55.57 | jacekowski | yacc_: it did |
| 16:55.59 | javispedro | =) |
| 16:56.04 | jacekowski | yacc_: it's called microkernel |
| 16:56.16 | javispedro | hits jacekowski with a spoon |
| 16:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | rotfl |
| 16:56.37 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 16:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | now THAT'S trolling |
| 16:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:56.55 | jacekowski | throw it away it may be seed of a shovel |
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| 16:57.09 | yacc_ | jacekowski, well, DOS was not a microkernel, it did filesystem more or less, and a microkernel proper does messaging and potentially memory management, with the filesystem being normally an "userspace" demon, ... |
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| 16:57.28 | jacekowski | yacc_: well windows 9x did exactly that |
| 16:57.39 | jacekowski | and pretty much only that |
| 16:57.42 | jacekowski | memory mamangment |
| 16:57.53 | jacekowski | and schedluing |
| 16:58.01 | jacekowski | scheduling* |
| 16:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | WIN1.0 did NO memory management |
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| 16:58.22 | DocScrutinizer | that's what BSOD was for :-P |
| 16:58.23 | jacekowski | emm |
| 16:58.25 | jacekowski | 9x |
| 16:58.30 | jacekowski | not 1.0 |
| 16:58.35 | keesj | winnuke WTF |
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| 17:03.23 | javispedro | 9x memory management? pfft. |
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| 17:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: >>Posted by Paul Davis at Tue Apr 8 22:36:03 2008 >>Posted by Lennart at Tue Apr 8 23:01:23 2008 |
| 17:09.35 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: hey, I too sometimes smash F5 waiting for replies to my trolling |
| 17:09.52 | Maka | Warning: ur device has rebooted unexpectedly. Custom Kernel settings have not been loaded |
| 17:10.06 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: eh? :-D |
| 17:10.06 | Maka | why wud this have happened?.. |
| 17:10.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: thought you were remarking the swift response on Lennart's part? |
| 17:11.06 | javispedro | btw I love the recent quoted bug on tmo: "Chess is too hard for casual players". Resolution: WONTFIX: ""Reporter should |
| 17:11.06 | javispedro | learn how to play chess better if he's not able to win the easy level." |
| 17:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, just giving searchstring pointers to the relevant posts regarding why PA sucks e.g for twinkle, why it's been flawed since beginning and still is |
| 17:11.37 | GAN900 | "easy" is brutal. |
| 17:11.47 | GAN900 | That bug cracked me up when it was closed. |
| 17:12.03 | javispedro | haha |
| 17:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: bcos U doing OC? |
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| 17:12.31 | javispedro | on the Palm chess game I used to play I remember there was a difficulty setting where the AI would be fed garbage =) |
| 17:12.39 | Maka | nope.. |
| 17:12.50 | GAN900 | OC makz thinks supr fast |
| 17:13.02 | Maka | OC was done a long back but i reverted back to the stock settings.. |
| 17:13.05 | GAN900 | Maka, because something crashed and caused a reboot. |
| 17:13.32 | GAN900 | Kernel-power sees the reboot and doesn't load custom settings in case they were the cause. |
| 17:13.42 | Maka | And my device is not as fast as i see in videos of n900.. |
| 17:13.55 | Maka | i shud learn a lot more to keep it fast.. |
| 17:14.30 | Maka | oh ok thank you Doc and GAN900 :) |
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| 17:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: use htop and powertop to find out about things slowing down your CPU, or eating up your battery |
| 17:15.33 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ah, read that stuff. |
| 17:15.44 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: avoiding apps that do will keep your device fast |
| 17:16.04 | Maka | Am using Htop but am not damn sure about things it show.. |
| 17:16.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that's why I suggest ALSA should be a simpler thing. different users different needs, and ALSA shouldn't try to catter them all. let user space daemons decide |
| 17:16.28 | javispedro | s/catter/cater (...) |
| 17:16.28 | Maka | Is there any guide to Htop and powertop? |
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| 17:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: it should show <200 processes and a cpu load <10% usually |
| 17:16.37 | jacekowski | Maka: emm, guide? |
| 17:16.42 | Maka | like wiki pages? |
| 17:16.45 | jacekowski | Maka: emmm |
| 17:16.56 | jacekowski | Maka: it shows you cpu and memory usage |
| 17:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: don't shout at him, it's been me who sugested to use those system tools |
| 17:17.27 | Maka | LOL :) |
| 17:17.39 | Maka | guys,u both are my Gurus now :) |
| 17:17.43 | jacekowski | I'M NOT SHOUTING |
| 17:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: moment please |
| 17:18.23 | Maka | Ya okay lad :) |
| 17:19.08 | jacekowski | http://linux.die.net/man/5/proc |
| 17:19.09 | jacekowski | here |
| 17:19.15 | jacekowski | all abbreviations are explained |
| 17:19.18 | jacekowski | and other stuff |
| 17:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 17:19.35 | Maka | thanks a lot Jacekowski :) |
| 17:19.48 | Maka | Thanks a lot DOc :) |
| 17:20.00 | Maka | and here is my main prob.. |
| 17:20.05 | Maka | even now i face it.. |
| 17:20.07 | jacekowski | you can't read? |
| 17:20.17 | slonopotamus | "lad" smth like "pal" but more femalish? |
| 17:20.19 | Maka | some of the icons suddenly disappear from my desktops.. |
| 17:20.21 | Maka | why is it? |
| 17:21.01 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's unfortunate also that OSSv4 is mostly dying (no hw support) |
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| 17:21.12 | Maka | @slopotamus:sounds so?? |
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| 17:22.03 | GAN900 | slonopotamus, more Irish. |
| 17:22.36 | DocScrutinizer | Maka: vanishing desktop icons (widgets?) are probably caused by one of them aborting on startup |
| 17:22.44 | GAN900 | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/lad |
| 17:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict lad |
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| 17:23.39 | NooBmonk3y | ~dict scrutinizer |
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| 17:23.46 | NooBmonk3y | just checking :P |
| 17:23.50 | NooBmonk3y | evening alls :) |
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| 17:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe the mass deployment of PA actually does something good regarding establishing one *standard* for unix audio interfaces. Alas I have a hard time believing in my own words here |
| 17:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: see the extremely long post on that blog, by some zachary(?) dude |
| 17:27.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: it's happening already, see embedded space. |
| 17:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:27.22 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it will |
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| 17:27.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i mean, PA will spread, everybody will start using it |
| 17:27.43 | javispedro | the question is why does lennart say that people should not use PA api |
| 17:27.45 | javispedro | directly. |
| 17:27.47 | jacekowski | and then some moron will come up with idea that PA i bad |
| 17:27.54 | jacekowski | and it should be done in some other way |
| 17:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | and probably he's right on it :-P |
| 17:28.15 | jacekowski | nothing new |
| 17:28.27 | jacekowski | oss -> alsa -> PA |
| 17:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:29.25 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm meego has decided it is not touch screen anymore :P lol |
| 17:29.31 | DocScrutinizer | but while ALSA targeted some evident flaws of OSS, PA simply is done because "ALSA sucks" |
| 17:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | not really doing anything any better than ALSA, not even docs |
| 17:30.02 | jacekowski | well, only real flaw in alsa is lack of properly done mixin |
| 17:30.03 | jacekowski | g |
| 17:30.15 | javispedro | jacekowski: and horribly complex userspace API. |
| 17:30.24 | javispedro | seriously, 4 layers of abstraction for setting a simple mixer? |
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| 17:30.38 | jacekowski | almost like PA |
| 17:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | lol, exactly |
| 17:30.47 | javispedro | jacekowski: PA actually hides them from you |
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| 17:30.54 | mavhc | open source: because you can never have too much abstraction |
| 17:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 17:31.28 | javispedro | jacekowski: and does useful things for them, like allowing you to set "Digital Out" profile and the like |
| 17:31.36 | javispedro | s/for them/with them |
| 17:31.37 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 17:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, scroll back to see how easy that is, for a fsckng silly simple mixing of mic with mediaplayer output :-P |
| 17:32.36 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: please note that is what Nokia wanted. |
| 17:33.17 | javispedro | so, in a sense, PulseAudio allowed them to do weird things like that. *shudder* |
| 17:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | which should make us boggle |
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| 17:33.33 | javispedro | that's why I was saying the policy part should be separate... |
| 17:33.34 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 17:34.17 | RST38h | ok, moo aall |
| 17:34.21 | RST38h | is kinda back |
| 17:34.23 | javispedro | killall audiopolicyd |
| 17:34.29 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 17:34.31 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: why not just bare alsa? |
| 17:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | is kinda gone |
| 17:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: I'm all for that |
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| 17:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | PA is mere useless, esp for embedded |
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| 17:35.44 | slonopotamus | i just don't see what value it adds |
| 17:35.51 | DocScrutinizer | none |
| 17:35.51 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: no mixing |
| 17:36.00 | jacekowski | that's only reason why bare alsa would have problems |
| 17:36.05 | javispedro | remember my previous argument: three parts: policy, mixing, and abstraction. |
| 17:36.13 | javispedro | that's what pulseaudio "gives". |
| 17:36.16 | javispedro | or tries to give... |
| 17:36.18 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? dmix worked fine for me ever since I did a proper config for it |
| 17:36.20 | RST38h | slono: It lets another open source developer to design his own ultimate audio framework |
| 17:36.26 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: mixing of what? |
| 17:36.33 | jacekowski | microphone |
| 17:36.42 | RST38h | javis: I told you before, multiple open()s of /dev/dsp will give you just that |
| 17:36.44 | jacekowski | dmix can only do output |
| 17:37.03 | RST38h | javis: And yes, theoretically you can make them sockets and mix in user space |
| 17:37.08 | jacekowski | and dsnoop is fubar |
| 17:37.13 | javispedro | RST38h: that's "mixing" part, and it wouldn't on a n900 for ex. |
| 17:37.19 | javispedro | (so, still other two parts to go) |
| 17:37.22 | RST38h | javis: Why? |
| 17:37.26 | javispedro | RST38h: no hw mix |
| 17:37.27 | RST38h | And what other two parts? |
| 17:37.33 | javispedro | policy & abstraction |
| 17:37.37 | RST38h | javis: Oh,you can do sw mix with dev/dsp |
| 17:37.43 | javispedro | in kernel |
| 17:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: proof it! what's wrong with dsnoop? |
| 17:37.44 | jacekowski | RST38h: where |
| 17:37.47 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: i have skype working on gentoo desktop with only alsa (no PA, no ESD). what i am doing wrong? |
| 17:37.47 | RST38h | javis: and policy too |
| 17:37.48 | jacekowski | javispedro: you can't |
| 17:37.52 | javispedro | jacekowski: ossv4 |
| 17:37.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i never managed to get it working |
| 17:38.12 | jacekowski | javispedro: well, ossv4 breaks kernel policy of not using floats in kernel |
| 17:38.25 | RST38h | javis: As I said, make /dev/dsp* nodes sockets. Let a userspace program handle data from them, mix it, stream to the main /dev/dsp (let us say one without a number) |
| 17:38.27 | javispedro | jacekowski: I agree. |
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| 17:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | it worked on my desktop for, like, 4 years |
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| 17:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | without any problem |
| 17:38.46 | RST38h | javis: Let the same userspace agent do policies |
| 17:39.04 | javispedro | RST38h: and you get pulseaudio, but done right =) |
| 17:39.16 | javispedro | which is exactly what I want, a simpler thing. |
| 17:39.21 | RST38h | javis: Well, isn't this what we all want? |
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| 17:39.36 | javispedro | not ALSA! |
| 17:39.39 | slonopotamus | wonders why n900 has 1.5x more processes running than his desktop |
| 17:39.41 | RST38h | javis: And if you do get hw mixing, you replace those extra dev/dsp*s with hw nodes |
| 17:39.53 | RST38h | javis: for as many hw channels as supported |
| 17:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | WHAT??? audio processing using floats? |
| 17:40.10 | RST38h | Yes, Doc. |
| 17:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | what a friggin idiot did that ? |
| 17:40.19 | RST38h | There are smart people like that |
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| 17:40.30 | RST38h | And there are people using floats in video decoding too |
| 17:40.37 | RST38h | And audio decoding. They are Ogg people. |
| 17:41.46 | RST38h | BTW, I suspect that mixing audio in the kernel is no longer that much of a problem |
| 17:42.00 | RST38h | Given the throughput needed and the current CPUs performance |
| 17:42.01 | javispedro | all that I want is a simpler daemon, with a public simplePA-like or OSS-like API. With the three tasks PA does now clearly separated. |
| 17:42.20 | RST38h | Just say it: you hate PA and do not want PA |
| 17:42.31 | javispedro | and get ALSA as out of the picture as possible. Linux-only thing, complex beast. |
| 17:42.38 | RST38h | Same for ALSA |
| 17:42.46 | RST38h | And anything else designed by a megalomaniac |
| 17:43.11 | slonopotamus | what the hell are you talking about? |
| 17:43.11 | slonopotamus | skype does work with bare alsa. what else do you need from audio? |
| 17:43.11 | slonopotamus | and i bet many other softphones do too. |
| 17:43.24 | javispedro | runs out of keyboard batteries =) |
| 17:43.38 | pupnik | nokia wanted policies to manage different app behavior for audio |
| 17:43.50 | pupnik | you can look at the PA config to see how much is going on |
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| 17:44.11 | RST38h | you can do policies without PA |
| 17:44.23 | pupnik | and get it out the door on time? |
| 17:44.28 | RST38h | Yes |
| 17:44.33 | pupnik | k |
| 17:44.44 | RST38h | Want me to tell you how this can be done, with /dev/dsp API, in 1-2 days? |
| 17:44.56 | pupnik | i miss /dev/dsp |
| 17:45.22 | RST38h | 1. Implement ioctl() that passes policy ID (a enum) to the driver (or userspace agent) |
| 17:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | do a ps, grep for ped X-P |
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| 17:45.52 | RST38h | 2. Make the agent use these IDs when mixing |
| 17:46.20 | RST38h | [NOTE: Never ever refuse or block open() on the daudio device, if you need to mute a client, simply ignore its data) |
| 17:46.32 | pupnik | that sounds totally right |
| 17:46.47 | RST38h | Until ioctl() with policy ID passed, assume lowest priority |
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| 17:47.22 | pupnik | i respect the audio opinions of emu devs a lot |
| 17:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sounds like one of my statements of 3 years ago :-D |
| 17:47.33 | RST38h | Again, with only one hw audio channel, make /dev/dsp actual device node, make /dev/dsp* sockets to the userpsace mixer |
| 17:47.42 | pupnik | yes! |
| 17:48.01 | RST38h | With /dev/dsp being permanently open by the mixer |
| 17:48.09 | pupnik | note to world: meego does not have to copy ubuntu |
| 17:48.20 | pupnik | i love it RST38h :) :) |
| 17:48.21 | RST38h | it has to copy redhat instead? :) |
| 17:48.52 | pupnik | RST38h: now what about managing different audio outputs? BT / Headphone / Speaker |
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| 17:50.35 | javispedro | that's one of the three PA parts: abstraction |
| 17:50.44 | javispedro | IMHO that's the one that should be moved to the kernel, if any. |
| 17:51.01 | RST38h | pupnik: main /dev/dsp API |
| 17:51.26 | RST38h | pupnik: actually, it has been done already with /dev/mixer |
| 17:51.31 | RST38h | Just keep that API |
| 17:52.15 | RST38h | If these are separate outputs (and not just a mux from the same output), keep them as separate /dev/dsps |
| 17:52.33 | RST38h | In this case, userspace agent handles switching |
| 17:52.41 | pupnik | by renaming nodes? |
| 17:52.43 | RST38h | Probably using the same /dev/mixer API |
| 17:52.47 | pupnik | oh ok |
| 17:52.57 | RST38h | Absolutely no need to invent newcrap |
| 17:53.25 | RST38h | There is already enough audio-related crap invented in Linux to burn its authors in their own printouts, a few times |
| 17:53.59 | javispedro | the only issue I can see is that seemingly ALSA makes kernel drivers "easier". But kill the damn user space API and make it a stupid oss-like device. |
| 17:54.15 | RST38h | ALSA makes nothing easier |
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| 17:54.37 | RST38h | ALSA is made by another bunch of people who thought they could address EVERY possible need, and do it "easier" than OSS |
| 17:54.47 | RST38h | (with predictable results) |
| 17:55.10 | RST38h | ALSA is not event fully implemented anywhere outside x86 (and probably SoundBlaster :)) |
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| 17:56.52 | RST38h | BTW http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm |
| 17:57.28 | RST38h | Perfectly sensible API, no idea why all these people went off and built their own sand castles |
| 17:58.01 | chx | ALSA makes me think of the quote from 9 "we had such promise" |
| 17:58.06 | chx | I remember when ALSA started |
| 17:59.28 | GAN900 | How is it *nix audio always sucks so much. |
| 17:59.56 | javispedro | now move this discussion to #meego and watch an entirely different outcome =) |
| 18:00.24 | MohammadAG | gets popcorn |
| 18:02.16 | RST38h | javispedro: You will be told to use Qt for audio |
| 18:02.26 | RST38h | And not worry about anything else |
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| 18:03.16 | MohammadAG | RST38h, let's try that! |
| 18:05.12 | pupnik | it's like this was made by web-developers |
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| 18:05.57 | thomasvs | I tried upgrading my n900 to pr1.3; ran into various issues, and used apt-get to resolve them. |
| 18:06.09 | thomasvs | It has now updated a whole slew of packages, but about still mentions the version of pr 1.2, not of 1.3 |
| 18:06.32 | pupnik | i believe that's just an oversight |
| 18:06.34 | thomasvs | my app manager doesn't list maemo5 as an update anymore. Is there a specific pkg that should be installed that I can check for to say 'this is 1.3' ? |
| 18:06.55 | thomasvs | the sources.list.d still only mentions 1.2 too, btw |
| 18:07.29 | thomasvs | the kernel was built Aug 6, which would put it after PR1.2 |
| 18:09.24 | thomasvs | pupnik: you mean they forgot to update the about box ? |
| 18:09.46 | pupnik | thomasvs: i think so, not sure |
| 18:09.55 | thomasvs | pupnik: hm... what does yours say then ? |
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| 18:10.23 | pupnik | don't have a device to help you with |
| 18:10.41 | pupnik | but i'm pretty sure talk.maemo.org has something about pr1.3 |
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| 18:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: alas not all mixers follow that simple scheme not shown in that nonexistent graphic over there |
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| 18:17.16 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: check WM8753 as used in Freerunner, for example. You're massively lost if you try to tackle that critter with your simplified mixer concept |
| 18:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | AIC34 in N900 is not any much better |
| 18:18.41 | RST38h | Doc: Well, as you have got a software layer for mixing anyway, you can make an approximation |
| 18:18.50 | RST38h | In fact, that is what PA is doing at the moment |
| 18:19.04 | SpeedEvil | AIC is worse in many ways. |
| 18:19.15 | SpeedEvil | How do you model arbitrary filters in sw |
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| 18:20.21 | RST38h | http://focus.tij.co.jp/jp/lit/ml/slyt275/slyt275.pdf ? |
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| 18:21.43 | javispedro | I think you'll eventually need a array of <string,value> mixer controls |
| 18:21.57 | javispedro | aka the first of the four layers of alsa controls ;) |
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| 18:23.17 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: eeeh what? aproximation? for things like sidetone, or digital filter register settings? |
| 18:23.38 | alterego | Eh? |
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| 18:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | what's the aproximation of micbias switch? |
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| 18:27.13 | DocScrutinizer | of micboost+20dBm? |
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| 18:28.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd point you to some nice papers/docs and ask how you handle that - if only wiki.om wasn't down right ATM |
| 18:29.38 | javispedro | as I was saying, by an extra set of <string, value> mixer controls |
| 18:29.45 | javispedro | <Mic Boost, Boolean> |
| 18:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, sure, but not in the way suggested in http://www.oreilly.de/catalog/multilinux/excerpt/ch14-07.htm |
| 18:30.23 | javispedro | what is nice about that is that it is unified |
| 18:30.27 | alterego | sighs |
| 18:30.46 | lardman | who knows about QMaemo5InformationBox::information () ? |
| 18:30.47 | javispedro | ALSA went entirely for the <string, value> way, and you get the issue that user space can't even GUESS what the master volume control is. |
| 18:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 18:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | that's why you need a second abstraction layer |
| 18:31.59 | javispedro | twitches |
| 18:32.31 | javispedro | but you need one like what pulseaudio does (put the card in "digital profile", "phone mode", etc.), not the useless alsa ones |
| 18:32.58 | DocScrutinizer | do ps|grep ped |
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| 18:33.44 | javispedro | twitches again |
| 18:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | that's not paped ! |
| 18:34.42 | javispedro | seems that I still have a lot to learn about how the nokia policy thing works |
| 18:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | and we had that concept since ages on OM, called alsa scenarios |
| 18:34.58 | BCMM | are there any "share via service" plugins that use something like omploader? |
| 18:35.13 | BCMM | also, my USB cable has arrived from Hong Kong! |
| 18:35.17 | BCMM | runs in circles |
| 18:35.23 | BCMM | (hostmode cable) |
| 18:35.26 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: ah, the profiles thing was introduced in newer PA versions |
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| 18:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | profiles/scenarios have a massive shortcoming: you can't usually modify them on the fly (see scrollback for the mic mixin issue) |
| 18:38.45 | DocScrutinizer | I developed a concept of merging several scenarios, where for each control it's decided if there's a compatible setting meeting both requests |
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| 18:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | if the scenarios conflict, the one with higher priority is set, and the other audio path is muted |
| 18:39.56 | DocScrutinizer | and the app signalled about that fact |
| 18:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | and the best thing of it: it's completely ALSA :-D |
| 18:40.46 | DocScrutinizer | plus extensions of course |
| 18:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | but those extensions are transparent to all apps using alsa audio |
| 18:41.23 | Choom | I don't see much of a reason to rely on anything other than alsa itself |
| 18:41.28 | Choom | besides alsa being a mess |
| 18:41.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://i53.tinypic.com/24vpnj4.jpg (is that small enough?) |
| 18:41.40 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 18:41.59 | Choom | still misses the simplicity of OSS |
| 18:42.05 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah :P |
| 18:42.19 | alterego | I think the buttons would be better vertical and to the right. |
| 18:42.24 | alterego | But that should be configurable ;) |
| 18:44.09 | MohammadAG | alterego, I was thinking of a slide from the right transition, and hence their location ;) |
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| 18:45.32 | alterego | pfft |
| 18:45.37 | alterego | You can still slide from the right |
| 18:45.42 | alterego | To the right hand side :P |
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| 18:46.18 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 18:50.56 | lardman | X-Fade: you about? |
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| 18:53.22 | lardman | or does anyone else know how I link my email to a bugs.maemo.org product? |
| 18:53.31 | NooBmonk3y | ? |
| 18:53.36 | lardman | e.g. *@mbarcode.garage.org |
| 18:53.44 | lardman | e.g. *@mbarcode.garage.bugs |
| 18:53.47 | lardman | even |
| 18:53.59 | NooBmonk3y | oh, no idea, :| |
| 18:54.22 | lardman | I remember setting up the list, but must have forgotten to set my email to receive the reports |
| 18:54.27 | lardman | s/list/tracker |
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| 19:12.54 | pupnik | Things to be thankful for in 2010: the *nixes (android, ios) beat microsoft in the mobiles market. now the world uses unix :) sort of, at least |
| 19:14.04 | RST38h | Tamoggemon Software, based in Germany, has written a book which "takes C++ programmers and transforms them into lean and mean Symbian coding machines". |
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| 19:14.35 | RST38h | As I said, AllAboutSymbian is getting really desperate lately |
| 19:15.21 | javispedro | oh, Tamoggemon |
| 19:15.24 | javispedro | I remember them |
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| 19:15.30 | javispedro | Palm guys |
| 19:15.51 | javispedro | I wrote on their blog in their first days iirc :) |
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| 19:17.56 | pupnik | as long as there are symbian phones there will be a market |
| 19:18.06 | javispedro | I hate it when someone converts "I'm not willing to implement this feature but I will help you do it" to "I will guide you through opening the development environment, find the letter i on the keyboard, find the letter n on the keyboard ... now type int main() { ... " |
| 19:18.34 | pupnik | ew |
| 19:18.36 | javispedro | stop asking dammit. |
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| 19:19.21 | RST38h | cnn.com crashed |
| 19:19.37 | javispedro | dns issue here |
| 19:19.45 | RST38h | yea |
| 19:19.51 | RST38h | same |
| 19:20.19 | lardman | any way to import iCal etc into the calendar? |
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| 19:22.02 | javispedro | RST38h: http://157.166.224.26/ |
| 19:22.19 | RST38h | ah you got the address! =) |
| 19:22.26 | javispedro | thank pdnsd :) |
| 19:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hehe |
| 19:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | is CIA messing up DNS, to kill wikileaks? |
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| 19:27.00 | lardman | anyone know if the Qt apis work with the calendar? |
| 19:27.40 | javispedro | lardman: I believe so |
| 19:27.45 | javispedro | you mean mobility? |
| 19:27.57 | lardman | yep |
| 19:28.56 | javispedro | It should, I do not know if it's stable. |
| 19:29.04 | lardman | hmm, I don't see where it is in mobility though...? |
| 19:29.11 | javispedro | Organizer |
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| 19:29.28 | javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/organizer.html |
| 19:29.34 | lardman | ah good stuff |
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| 19:29.50 | lardman | Google still links to the old stuff |
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| 19:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | has Qt got any more sane calendar widget than that idiocy found in e.g. maemo contacts, settings, etc? |
| 19:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | more something like zenity has? |
| 19:31.35 | sp3000 | lardman, https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email and add those to the watch list at the bottom |
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| 19:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | btw who's maintaining zenity? the calendar has a flaw |
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| 19:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | or more like a bug |
| 19:35.01 | MohammadAG | qwerty12 afaik |
| 19:35.18 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 19:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: could you... ? |
| 19:35.36 | lardman | sp3000: thanks |
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| 19:35.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what's the bug? |
| 19:35.55 | alterego | is building the latest daily meego handset image for the N900 |
| 19:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | do a zenity --calendar |
| 19:36.03 | alterego | Might actually get some work done today afterall .. |
| 19:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | try to change to anothe month |
| 19:36.29 | javispedro | alterego: did you succeed in building a recent version of mtf? |
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| 19:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | it works if you grab&swipe on an empty spot |
| 19:36.57 | lardman | sp3000: hmm, actually I don't think that's what I need |
| 19:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | but alas there are monts that have no empty spot either at start of month or at end |
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| 19:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | so you can't get to Oct 2010, from a zenity --calendar |
| 19:38.38 | alterego | javispedro: yes, eventually. |
| 19:38.38 | alterego | javispedro: well, I built it from git in scratchbox, then I noticed they have their own packaging structure so I tried with dpkg and it failed because of a few build deps that aren't available. |
| 19:38.41 | alterego | Some subscriber framework and an out of date package, can't remember off hand what that is. |
| 19:38.51 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, looks like a hildon+gtk bug to me |
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| 19:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | and you cant get to August 2011 |
| 19:39.24 | MohammadAG | try GTK2_RC_FILES=/ zenity --calendar |
| 19:39.26 | javispedro | alterego: aha, so only deps problems |
| 19:39.29 | MohammadAG | you'll see what I mean |
| 19:39.43 | lardman | sp3000: I want to automatically receive all mbarcode bugs |
| 19:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | DUH! |
| 19:40.11 | alterego | javispedro: yeah. |
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| 19:40.18 | alterego | javispedro: well, and some source changes. |
| 19:40.23 | sp3000 | lardman, that'll do it, no? |
| 19:40.25 | alterego | Missing newlines at the ends of some files. |
| 19:40.30 | alterego | Nothing major. |
| 19:40.31 | javispedro | ah, I remember that |
| 19:41.15 | lardman | sp3000: looks like it just allows me to specify what I want to receive once I'm added to a bug, my issue is that the *@mbarcode.maemo.bugs default email doesn't go to me |
| 19:41.37 | sp3000 | lardman, the input at the bottom |
| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: well, this GTK"_RC thing has a left/right rotary for month and year, but the swiping up/down is similarly borked |
| 19:42.06 | sp3000 | under "User Watching" |
| 19:42.51 | sp3000 | so you want to watch the @mbarcode.maemo.bugs pseudo-users |
| 19:43.11 | lardman | but I am one of those pseudo-users and am not receiving email |
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| 19:43.57 | sp3000 | oh, I didn't know it was possible to be one |
| 19:44.05 | lardman | I don't see to be able to put in an email address there |
| 19:44.14 | lardman | it days not recognised, I think it's looking for a username |
| 19:44.50 | lardman | sp3000: well at least I presume I should be, should receive email that is sent to any of those mbarcode.maemo.bugs addresses |
| 19:45.01 | sp3000 | hm, I would expect it to take mail (bugzilla doesn't know about other kinds of usernames, the realname is just other text) |
| 19:45.29 | lardman | in which case those addresses aren't real users apparently |
| 19:45.35 | sp3000 | I presumed the pseudo-users would not be receiving mail themselves, just watchers |
| 19:45.36 | lardman | or even pseudo ones |
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| 19:46.05 | lardman | I'll ask X-Fade tomorrow, I've no clue how it's supposed to work I must admit |
| 19:46.12 | lardman | thanks for trying though :) |
| 19:46.23 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ohh, actually the plain one (w/o GTK2_RC_FILES=/ ) also has the rotary function, only you don't see the arrows, and the hot area is incredibly small, and for me also quite a bit offset |
| 19:46.39 | sp3000 | lardman, timeless_mbp might reappear later, he should understand it too |
| 19:47.02 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yep |
| 19:47.53 | lardman | sp3000: cool, thanks |
| 19:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | well I gather it's more a question of a proper GTK theme then, first instance? |
| 19:48.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yep |
| 19:48.34 | MohammadAG | you can use any theme you want |
| 19:48.38 | DocScrutinizer | though that swiping bug is really annoying |
| 19:48.50 | MohammadAG | I found this btw, http://qtnode.net/wiki/Custom_widgets |
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| 19:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | pff, in fact that's not swiping at all, just another button hot-area where there are no date digits in calendar for that month |
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| 19:54.46 | jacekowski | i was wondering, how is SAW technology coming along |
| 19:54.52 | jacekowski | is it anywhere close to be usable? |
| 19:55.48 | RST38h | wow, dns is really screwed |
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| 19:58.08 | MohammadAG | any git experts here? |
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| 19:58.40 | javispedro | do you really need an expert or will a noob suffice? |
| 19:58.57 | MohammadAG | noob will suffice I suppose, probably than me :P |
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| 19:59.12 | MohammadAG | I added Venemo as a collaborator |
| 19:59.23 | MohammadAG | but I can't figure out how to let him push the changes |
| 19:59.32 | MohammadAG | he made the commit |
| 19:59.38 | Venemo | I can't push |
| 19:59.40 | javispedro | it's a gitorious issue then |
| 19:59.50 | javispedro | Venemo: error message? |
| 19:59.55 | MohammadAG | nah, seems like a me-being-a-git-noob issue |
| 20:00.01 | MohammadAG | push url is read only |
| 20:00.13 | Venemo | interesting |
| 20:00.14 | javispedro | git itself has no concept of users or permissions |
| 20:00.22 | MohammadAG | shouldn't git clone copy the correct URL? |
| 20:00.29 | MohammadAG | or does he have to set it |
| 20:00.48 | javispedro | you might have cloned frm the read only URL? |
| 20:00.55 | javispedro | if you cloned from it, it will by default try to push to it |
| 20:01.15 | MohammadAG | how can he change it? |
| 20:01.34 | javispedro | git config remote.origin.url=newurl |
| 20:01.42 | Venemo | javispedro: http://fpaste.org/ONdh/ |
| 20:01.43 | javispedro | "git config --get remote.origin.url" to get it |
| 20:02.09 | javispedro | Venemo: yeah, confirming: you should have cloned from the ssh:// url |
| 20:02.14 | Venemo | javispedro: and http://fpaste.org/Hiti/ |
| 20:02.25 | MohammadAG | git config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git then? |
| 20:02.29 | Venemo | javispedro: why isn't the git:// working? eh. |
| 20:02.45 | javispedro | MohammadAG: yep |
| 20:02.56 | javispedro | Venemo: I think the only one that works is ssh one :S |
| 20:03.04 | Kaadlajk | guess there is no way to authenticate thru git:// |
| 20:03.10 | Venemo | eh. |
| 20:03.12 | MohammadAG | Venemo, git config remote.origin.url=git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git |
| 20:03.14 | Venemo | so what should I do? |
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| 20:03.38 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ok, did it |
| 20:03.50 | MohammadAG | git push origin master |
| 20:03.59 | javispedro | now try pushing, and wait for the inevitable error message (you need to setup ssh keys, etc.) |
| 20:04.03 | MohammadAG | you have your ssh key there right? |
| 20:04.15 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 20:04.17 | MohammadAG | try pushing first |
| 20:04.28 | Venemo | javispedro, MohammadAG: still this error message http://fpaste.org/ONdh/ |
| 20:04.40 | javispedro | oh |
| 20:05.00 | javispedro | Venemo: paste output of "git config -l", remove your email address from it if you want |
| 20:05.24 | Venemo | javispedro: http://fpaste.org/bb0w/ |
| 20:05.39 | Venemo | javispedro: my e-mail address is not in there |
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| 20:06.24 | javispedro | aw sorry |
| 20:06.33 | MohammadAG | can't he just sed the config file? |
| 20:06.33 | javispedro | git config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git |
| 20:06.42 | javispedro | syntax doesn't have = sign. |
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| 20:07.29 | javispedro | Venemo: "git config remote.origin.url git@gitorious.org:mediabar/mediabar.git" then retry pushing |
| 20:07.29 | ZogG | quimgil |
| 20:07.30 | ZogG | All I have to say about the Nokia strategy is that I like it. And now, with your permission I'm going to do my stuff. |
| 20:07.33 | Venemo | new error: http://fpaste.org/hRIL/ |
| 20:07.33 | ZogG | LOLOLOLOLOLOL |
| 20:07.45 | Venemo | ZogG: lol indeed |
| 20:08.03 | ZogG | Venemo you didn't see how he tried to layer me =) |
| 20:08.37 | Venemo | ZogG: I thought you're saying LOL to my link :P |
| 20:08.38 | ZogG | i asked why they advise to developers not to develop for maemo5 |
| 20:08.50 | ZogG | and he said something about meego and maemo and symbian |
| 20:09.09 | ZogG | Venemo i was talking about quimgil |
| 20:09.31 | MohammadAG | Venemo, add your public key |
| 20:09.50 | ZogG | MohammadAG good work pal btw |
| 20:09.54 | Venemo | MohammadAG: how do I do that? |
| 20:10.03 | ZogG | wanted to say you several times, didn't have a chance |
| 20:10.33 | ZogG | Venemo why do you use fedora paste? =) |
| 20:10.39 | MohammadAG | got your dashboard, edit ssh keys, and add yours |
| 20:10.43 | MohammadAG | ZogG, thanks :) |
| 20:10.54 | Venemo | ZogG: two reasons. 1) MohammadAG told pastebin is down 2) I use Fedora :P |
| 20:10.58 | ZogG | nope, thank you |
| 20:11.05 | Venemo | ZogG: and | fpaste works sometimes :) |
| 20:11.23 | MohammadAG | cat ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub to get your key |
| 20:11.24 | ZogG | Venemo 1) pastie.org and thousands others, 2) are you srs? |
| 20:11.46 | Venemo | MohammadAG: cat: /home/Timur/.ssh/id_rsa.pub: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.55 | javispedro | ssh-keygen -t rsa |
| 20:11.56 | Venemo | ZogG: I am srs. Why? |
| 20:12.01 | ZogG | Venemo creat a key than |
| 20:12.27 | ZogG | Venemo fedora? if so than ubuntu |
| 20:12.55 | MohammadAG | wants a darker Ubuntu theme |
| 20:13.09 | ZogG | MohammadAG there a lot |
| 20:13.09 | Venemo | ZogG: I use Fedora, what's the problem with that? |
| 20:13.24 | MohammadAG | ZogG, same as stock? |
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| 20:13.34 | MohammadAG | Venemo, generated a key? |
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| 20:14.02 | Venemo | MohammadAG: yes, I did |
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| 20:14.32 | ZogG | MohammadAG you want 1 as stock but darker or dark theme? |
| 20:14.53 | Venemo | now I made an SSH key and I uploaded it to Gitorious |
| 20:15.14 | Venemo | ha! |
| 20:15.17 | Venemo | commit succeded! :) |
| 20:15.21 | Venemo | or push |
| 20:15.24 | Venemo | whatever |
| 20:16.26 | javispedro | http://gitorious.org/mediabar/mediabar |
| 20:16.28 | javispedro | it works :) |
| 20:16.39 | Venemo | why don't I see my commit on Gitorious? |
| 20:16.46 | javispedro | well I do ... |
| 20:16.53 | javispedro | refresh, or just wait. |
| 20:16.53 | Venemo | oh, I see it now too |
| 20:17.40 | Venemo | MohammadAG: does it work? |
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| 20:18.43 | MohammadAG | javispedro, how do I sync changes? |
| 20:18.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG: git pull |
| 20:18.50 | MohammadAG | git pull? |
| 20:18.51 | Venemo | javispedro: thank you very-very-VERY much for your help :) |
| 20:18.59 | Venemo | javispedro: Git hates me :( |
| 20:19.16 | javispedro | Venemo: just hope it doesn't break in the near future =) |
| 20:20.05 | MohammadAG | heh, failed |
| 20:20.33 | Venemo | well then just backup your changes, delete the directory, then clone again |
| 20:20.50 | javispedro | hah |
| 20:20.56 | javispedro | failed due to what? local changes? |
| 20:22.01 | javispedro | bah, I've spent the entire afternoon on hold here just in case I got called from work and nothing happened. |
| 20:22.08 | javispedro | curses |
| 20:22.23 | MohammadAG | nvm, fixed it |
| 20:22.35 | Venemo | so MohammadAG, does the stuff work for you? |
| 20:23.48 | MohammadAG | yes, just doing minor changes, you got rid of the timeout :) |
| 20:24.59 | Venemo | MohammadAG: sorry for that, I got rid of most of the DBus code |
| 20:26.05 | MohammadAG | noticed that, thanks :) |
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| 20:26.45 | Venemo | MohammadAG: the question is, does it work? |
| 20:27.06 | MohammadAG | yep, also added the timeout back and it still works :) |
| 20:27.21 | MohammadAG | btw, does it matter where #includes are? you moved it from the .h to the .cpp file |
| 20:27.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG: just the DBus include |
| 20:28.02 | alterego | Does the N900 work well on Verizon? |
| 20:28.05 | MohammadAG | yeah, why? |
| 20:28.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG: that's because there is no DBus code in the .h, so no need for it to be there? |
| 20:28.18 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 20:28.36 | MohammadAG | but the .h file is included anyways |
| 20:28.45 | Venemo | yes |
| 20:28.54 | Venemo | this is a general good practice anyway |
| 20:29.18 | lcuk | oh, hi b-man` \o |
| 20:29.42 | MohammadAG | Venemo, you removed setWindowAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground); :P |
| 20:29.44 | b-man` | hey lcuk :) |
| 20:30.05 | Venemo | MohammadAG: yes, because the rest of the window is transculent anyway |
| 20:30.07 | lcuk | b-man`, you got the green light to come on then |
| 20:30.16 | Venemo | MohammadAG: you can readd it, I was just experimenting with stuff |
| 20:30.24 | lcuk | pokes Venemo and MohammadAG |
| 20:30.33 | Venemo | hello lcuk o7 |
| 20:30.47 | MohammadAG | Venemo, setAttribute(Qt::WA_TranslucentBackground);* |
| 20:31.00 | b-man` | lcuk: rofl |
| 20:31.03 | MohammadAG | Venemo, oh, that's because the buttons are borked |
| 20:31.08 | MohammadAG | install alphathemefix :P |
| 20:31.15 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what's that? |
| 20:31.35 | b-man` | lcuk: I've been busy teaching myself how to properly solder for a project i'm working on |
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| 20:31.49 | lcuk | b-man`, oooh |
| 20:32.03 | lcuk | once had a job fixing circuit boards |
| 20:32.13 | b-man` | it involves JeeNodes :) |
| 20:32.13 | MohammadAG | Venemo, it replaces the buttons with borders with borderless buttons |
| 20:32.20 | MohammadAG | it's how PSFreedom's buttons look nice |
| 20:32.25 | Venemo | MohammadAG: oh. |
| 20:32.34 | b-man` | (JeeNode is basically an arduino with a radio) |
| 20:32.52 | lcuk | ooh |
| 20:32.57 | MohammadAG | b-man`, OC your N900 and solder with it, nice little tool isn't it? |
| 20:33.04 | b-man` | LOL |
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| 20:33.17 | Venemo | MohammadAG: hehe |
| 20:33.24 | lcuk | actually theres other ways to warm up an n900 |
| 20:33.25 | MohammadAG | Venemo, shall I make the buttons small or not? |
| 20:33.32 | lcuk | some people are reporting being able to fry bacon on the keyboard |
| 20:33.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: a bit smaller, yes |
| 20:33.41 | Venemo | MohammadAG: and maybe flat |
| 20:33.50 | b-man` | lcuk: what kind of equipment did you work on? :) |
| 20:33.51 | Venemo | MohammadAG: something like on the 5800? |
| 20:33.55 | lcuk | MohammadAG, which ui are you discussing? |
| 20:34.07 | lcuk | b-man`, vending machine coin mechs |
| 20:34.11 | Venemo | lcuk, the Media Bar |
| 20:34.12 | b-man` | heh |
| 20:34.58 | lcuk | b-man`, learning about just how a coin is detected as real and its value and how it rejects fakes whilst it bounces down a short pathway is awesome |
| 20:35.17 | lcuk | liked the piezo bounce unit best |
| 20:35.33 | lcuk | at the end of a run, it hit a piezo wall which detected a certain frequency/voltage spike |
| 20:35.44 | lcuk | different coins have different results |
| 20:36.32 | b-man` | cool :) |
| 20:36.41 | lcuk | I think of that stuff every time I put a coin in a machine and smile :) |
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| 20:38.50 | MohammadAG | <lcuk> actually theres other ways to warm up an n900 |
| 20:38.51 | b-man` | lcuk: that'd be a great subject for the science channel's "How Stuff Works" show :) |
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| 20:38.57 | MohammadAG | use it with a nipple |
| 20:39.07 | lcuk | b-man`, there probably is already |
| 20:39.20 | lcuk | another stage involves coils and induction |
| 20:41.08 | lcuk | MohammadAG, o_O |
| 20:41.13 | lcuk | nipples to do what? |
| 20:41.33 | MohammadAG | to heat it up |
| 20:41.43 | MohammadAG | you've been working with nipples for some time now, I've got logs! |
| 20:42.08 | b-man` | lol |
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| 20:42.58 | Venemo | MohammadAG: yeah, but his are artifical ones |
| 20:43.03 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/.xchat2/xchatlogs$ cat FreeNode-#liqbase.log | grep nipple* | wc -l |
| 20:43.04 | MohammadAG | 12 |
| 20:43.14 | lcuk | :$ |
| 20:43.25 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 20:43.29 | lcuk | when also tied in with boob it probably looks quite bad |
| 20:44.01 | lcuk | MohammadAG, at the conference revdkathy wanted me to make an app |
| 20:44.04 | lcuk | liqballs |
| 20:44.10 | lcuk | declined. |
| 20:44.12 | MohammadAG | LMFAO |
| 20:44.17 | b-man` | oh god XD |
| 20:44.49 | DangerMaus | boobs and balls hmmm |
| 20:45.11 | lcuk | now hopes #liqbase does not end up as a XXX channel |
| 20:45.37 | MohammadAG | invites friends |
| 20:45.45 | b-man` | lcuk: shhhh!!!!!!!1 |
| 20:45.57 | Venemo | lcuk: well then, thank me for not posting pics and vids when you guys asked for them... :P |
| 20:46.09 | lcuk | i did not ask |
| 20:46.23 | lcuk | in that case anyway :P |
| 20:46.33 | MohammadAG | <KotCzarny> venemo: pics or it didn't happen :P |
| 20:46.33 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> s/pics/vids/ |
| 20:46.37 | MohammadAG | it wasn't him :P |
| 20:46.39 | lcuk | considers removing boobie touch video though |
| 20:46.48 | MohammadAG | didn't see that one |
| 20:46.56 | Venemo | unfortunately, in English the word 'you' means plural and singular too |
| 20:46.58 | MohammadAG | or did I... |
| 20:46.59 | lcuk | hold on ill post it |
| 20:47.21 | MohammadAG | NSFW? |
| 20:47.22 | lardman | hmm, anyone else have qt-mobility-organiser installable? |
| 20:47.29 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 |
| 20:47.29 | lardman | s/s/z |
| 20:47.35 | lcuk | actually, very safe for work :P |
| 20:47.57 | lcuk | MohammadAG, it was even on youtube for a short while o_O |
| 20:48.02 | lcuk | lardman, not tried |
| 20:48.07 | lcuk | wheres the giturl? |
| 20:48.19 | MohammadAG | I thought desktops were connect to AC so they don't auto sleep |
| 20:48.21 | MohammadAG | damn windows |
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| 20:49.08 | lardman | javispedro: as you pointed it out, have you been able to install the organizer (sic) stuff on an N900? |
| 20:50.07 | javispedro | lardman: unfortunately I tried before it was even packaged |
| 20:50.22 | javispedro | I clearly remember there was a maemo5 organizer backend .so file |
| 20:50.24 | lardman | is it packaged? I didn't see it in the repo |
| 20:50.33 | javispedro | I mean the entire qtmobility |
| 20:50.40 | javispedro | look for qtm-* |
| 20:50.44 | javispedro | or *qtm* =) |
| 20:51.14 | javispedro | hmm |
| 20:51.36 | javispedro | cannot find it |
| 20:51.46 | lardman | not just me then :) |
| 20:53.02 | MohammadAG | lol lcuk |
| 20:54.05 | Arkenoi | lcuk, is it capacitive one? |
| 20:54.13 | javispedro | no idea what they did with the package |
| 20:54.21 | lcuk | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta/organizer.html |
| 20:54.27 | lcuk | organiser api is mobility 1.1 |
| 20:54.33 | lcuk | its nott in 1.0 |
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| 20:55.10 | javispedro | oh. |
| 20:55.13 | lcuk | the qtmobility meta package was created in a way which should allow updating it |
| 20:55.31 | lcuk | however, since complete packaging for qtm 1.1 is not even yet fully available |
| 20:55.41 | lcuk | (i have been talking to qtm guys and community hacker from meego |
| 20:55.54 | lcuk | and he has offered initial packaging for meego rpm stuff |
| 20:56.08 | lcuk | guesses that 1.1 debs are in need of the same kind of love |
| 20:56.15 | lardman | fair enough, just wondering if I can use qtm eventually on the N900 or if I need to go back to the raw calendar backend api |
| 20:56.33 | lcuk | lardman, its entirely feasible |
| 20:56.59 | lcuk | and should be added as candidate for the community ssu as they both get organised |
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| 20:57.39 | alterego | Error: failed to create image : Failed to apply configuration to image |
| 20:57.45 | javispedro | sighs |
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| 20:58.13 | javispedro | yet another topic that will some day be talked about on the "maemo5 support" thread |
| 20:58.14 | lardman | ah well, on that note I think I'll head to the TV, can't be arsed to work out how the calendar-backend stuff works tonight |
| 20:58.24 | MohammadAG | is this right? if(QSettings().value("main/timeout").toString().isEmpty() || QSettings().value("main/timeout").isNull()) |
| 20:58.26 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.41 | lcuk | lardman, how would a frontend work? |
| 20:59.00 | lardman | lcuk: that's the name of the lib: http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/calendar-backend/ |
| 20:59.45 | lcuk | lardman, get the latest libraries into your scratchbox and run qmake; make |
| 20:59.48 | lcuk | ? |
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| 21:01.55 | lcuk | >> hacking |
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| 21:13.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why not check the .toInt value? If there's no proper int inside the setting, the compare should fail anyway |
| 21:15.31 | GAN900 | If we can reimplement most of the Maemo 5 applications before Christmas, do we get to call Nokia a band of incompetent idiots? |
| 21:18.30 | MohammadAG | GAN900, question is, can we? |
| 21:18.40 | MohammadAG | I can redo all the UIs, can you implement the backends? |
| 21:22.27 | SpeedEvil | I will give anyone who succeeds in such a task a gold bar for christmas (*) |
| 21:22.48 | SpeedEvil | * May be 24 carat gold, with a core of chocolate. |
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| 21:24.00 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, no, I'm just a cheerleader. :P |
| 21:25.54 | b-man` | :) |
| 21:27.04 | pupnik | did anybody ever get pulseaudio running without xprot speaker protection on n900 |
| 21:27.23 | pupnik | ? i'm curious whether that was most of the cpu load, or whether it was caused by PA itself |
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| 21:28.35 | otwieracz | Hello. |
| 21:28.52 | otwieracz | Does anybody have pidgin with working GPG? |
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| 21:31.03 | Triscar0 | is there a support channel for SMScon ? |
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| 21:35.00 | djszapi | hey, how can I open a html file in offline mode ? What is the browser name on n900 ? |
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| 21:36.02 | BCMM | djszapi: if you select an HTML file in the file manager, it opens in the browser |
| 21:36.07 | SpeedEvil | file:/// |
| 21:36.12 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 21:36.15 | BCMM | also, you can type file:// urls in the address bar |
| 21:36.57 | djszapi | so what is the programname if I would like to do it from cli ? |
| 21:37.00 | BCMM | (meaning that, contrary to popular opinion, the n900 *does* ship with a non-locked-down file browser) |
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| 21:38.18 | SpeedEvil | I don't think you can start the browser from the commandline cleanly |
| 21:38.19 | SpeedEvil | \ |
| 21:38.24 | SpeedEvil | you can call it by DBUS |
| 21:39.10 | Triscar0 | someone here who has smscon? or knows about another good tracking-mobile prog? |
| 21:39.22 | Triscar0 | cant get smscon to work:\ |
| 21:39.35 | djszapi | how can I play songs on a html page, like builtin ff player of xine and so on on my N900 ? |
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| 21:42.59 | MohammadAG | alterego, was the shower enough inspiration for transitions? :P |
| 21:46.03 | alterego | Well, I had the idea for fixing the transitions before I had the shower :P |
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| 21:49.23 | MohammadAG | so the idea went down the drain? |
| 21:50.17 | alterego | No, I got side tracked. |
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| 21:51.09 | alterego | :P |
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| 21:51.55 | alterego | I'll have a look at it in a bit :P |
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| 21:52.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, check the latest commit |
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| 21:54.46 | alterego | Oh, that's nice :) |
| 21:54.56 | alterego | You're using the proper API. Now isn't that a lot cleaner :D |
| 21:55.09 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm linuxy question, whats the best way to share my movie collection from ubuntu, so my xp laptops can see it? :) |
| 21:55.33 | SpeedEvil | samba? |
| 21:55.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, it's not me who made the commit :P |
| 21:56.02 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, install ubuntu on the laptops |
| 21:56.12 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:56.13 | MohammadAG | what? you asked for the best way |
| 21:56.13 | NooBmonk3y | lol Mo :P |
| 21:56.19 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 21:56.21 | pupnik | :) |
| 21:56.48 | mece | alterego, quick question |
| 21:56.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, got a gitorious account? |
| 21:56.56 | pupnik | samba is a straightforward way to serve your files. if you want some blingy movie-only solution maybe uPnP |
| 21:57.03 | alterego | Yeah |
| 21:57.13 | alterego | "tswindell" |
| 21:57.16 | pupnik | and for streaming video to n900 or remote devices i still like ukki's "knots2" server |
| 21:57.32 | pupnik | being able to seek in streams is great |
| 21:57.53 | alterego | is slightly dissappointed he can't build a madde sysroot |
| 21:58.44 | MohammadAG | alterego, added |
| 21:58.51 | alterego | fanks |
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| 22:01.31 | ieatlint | things i have learnt: friends get very awkward when you warn them they were part of the gawker userdb leak |
| 22:01.54 | mece | alterego, I've been pondering upon something and thought you might have an answer |
| 22:02.00 | mece | got a sec? |
| 22:02.14 | lardman | lcuk: The problem is I don't particularly want to have to support qt-mobility nor do I want to fiddle about getting the backend to work particularly |
| 22:03.13 | lardman | hits the sack |
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| 22:03.15 | lardman | night all |
| 22:03.22 | MohammadAG | alterego, you're felcome |
| 22:05.54 | alterego | Well, if I can't build a handset madde sysroot, I'll try building a core sysroot |
| 22:06.02 | mece | lol |
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| 22:11.42 | mece | hmpf where are the qtwrt packages? |
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| 22:21.48 | piggz | Mek: q....where does kdebug output go if running an app from xterm in maemo? |
| 22:22.13 | Mek | wherever it is configured to go? by default /dev/null for most areas I think |
| 22:22.24 | Mek | I don't know much about the kdelibs for maemo packages though |
| 22:22.57 | piggz | Mek: ah, ofcourse, kdebudialog migth help? |
| 22:23.24 | piggz | ah, missing |
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| 22:34.11 | alterego | And it failed again :D |
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| 22:34.24 | alterego | This time with 20101207 |
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| 22:56.38 | BCMM | is fcam organised as a set or kernel patches, or an out-of-tree module? |
| 22:59.13 | BCMM | i need to google stuff more often... looks like power already works with fcam |
| 23:00.25 | jacekowski | BCMM: out of tree module |
| 23:00.30 | jacekowski | BCMM: loaded in very nasty way |
| 23:00.34 | BCMM | jacekowski: oh? |
| 23:00.58 | BCMM | jacekowski: (not that it matters, as i was thinking about building it against kernel power, but just found a blog post claiming someone else fixed that already) |
| 23:01.13 | jacekowski | well, somebody could just add it into power kernel |
| 23:02.35 | luke-jr | BCMM: Gentoo/N900 has a patch |
| 23:02.51 | BCMM | jacekowski: this blog post makes it sound like somebody did |
| 23:03.10 | BCMM | luke-jr: Gentoo/N900? this intrigues me |
| 23:03.33 | nox- | .oO(poor little cpu compiling everything... :) |
| 23:03.41 | BCMM | nox-: distcc. |
| 23:04.01 | nox- | that works for crosscompilation too? |
| 23:04.04 | BCMM | hmm, is an n900 more or less powerful than an imac g3? |
| 23:04.15 | luke-jr | sys-kernel/fremantle-sources/2.6.28-20101501+0m5_fcam-1.0.5.patch |
| 23:04.18 | BCMM | i got gentoo sorta-running on one of those onces, and it had a cooked CPU |
| 23:04.32 | nomis | chem|st: there? |
| 23:04.36 | ds3 | has anyone see wierdness after using h.e.n. where the vibrate notification seems to go off every 15mins or so with no apaprent cause? |
| 23:04.39 | luke-jr | clone overlay from http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/portage-overlay.git/ |
| 23:04.45 | BCMM | (so i had to push ALL the compiling to another machine over distcc) |
| 23:04.46 | luke-jr | patch is 42 KB |
| 23:05.11 | luke-jr | the only problem with Gentoo/N8x0 and Gentoo/N900 is *linking* webkit ;) |
| 23:05.31 | BCMM | luke-jr: needs lots of memory? |
| 23:05.33 | luke-jr | linking that crap requires a ton of RAM |
| 23:05.40 | nomis | chem|st: please try http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone_1.0.0-1_all.deb |
| 23:06.28 | luke-jr | so to build qt-webkit binpkgs, I usually have to rsync my fs to my desktop, then use qemu :p |
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| 23:07.36 | nox- | .oO(hmm didnt ppl swap over nfs many moons ago?) |
| 23:07.39 | luke-jr | fwiw, the overlay has a GCC 4.4 patch for fremantle kernel too |
| 23:07.48 | luke-jr | nox-: you can't swap over NFS sanely |
| 23:08.06 | nox- | yeah at least it'll be sloow... |
| 23:08.20 | nox- | but rsync'ing the entire fs might be too |
| 23:08.30 | luke-jr | nox-: slow enough swap = watchdog dies |
| 23:08.38 | nox- | oh hm :( |
| 23:09.15 | nox- | anyway so much for compiling on n900 -> not really practical |
| 23:09.24 | luke-jr | sure it is |
| 23:09.30 | luke-jr | compiling isn't a problem |
| 23:09.32 | luke-jr | just linking webkit |
| 23:09.35 | nox- | well, linking in your case |
| 23:09.36 | luke-jr | everything else links fine |
| 23:09.45 | luke-jr | also, that was N810 |
| 23:09.49 | luke-jr | not sure N900 is a problem |
| 23:09.50 | nox- | oh |
| 23:10.25 | nox- | well at least i remember compiling some part of xorg taking lotsa ram too... |
| 23:10.42 | nox- | (tho maybe thats fixed now) |
| 23:10.54 | luke-jr | compiling uses distcc fine ⺠|
| 23:11.02 | luke-jr | linking *must* be on the real box |
| 23:11.05 | nox- | ah also for crosscompilation? |
| 23:11.09 | luke-jr | yeah |
| 23:11.09 | nox- | :( |
| 23:11.16 | luke-jr | just need to have a crosscompiler installed on stuff |
| 23:14.05 | alterego | considers telepathy-qt |
| 23:17.32 | MohammadAG | coughs |
| 23:18.03 | alterego | No, I'm not doing anything until I manage to build this new madde sysroot! :P |
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| 23:18.27 | BCMM | MohammadAG: you rule! |
| 23:18.39 | BCMM | MohammadAG: (for hostmode stuff, not for the coughing) |
| 23:18.39 | ALoGeNo | hello all |
| 23:18.43 | BCMM | my cable came today |
| 23:18.46 | MohammadAG | coughs again, and the croud cheers |
| 23:18.58 | MohammadAG | BCMM, patches are by PaulFertser, not me :P |
| 23:19.11 | BCMM | MohammadAG: yeah, but you're here at the moment |
| 23:19.11 | alterego | quickly tries to think of a usb host mode project name for mohammad |
| 23:19.13 | BCMM | i heard you cough |
| 23:19.20 | BCMM | just tested it with a smartmedia card reader |
| 23:19.21 | BCMM | it worked |
| 23:19.30 | alterego | Can't think of one :( |
| 23:19.31 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 23:19.41 | BCMM | well, actually I got "no medium", because i don't know where the hell my smartmedia cards are |
| 23:19.45 | MohammadAG | mohostammad? |
| 23:19.49 | MohammadAG | sounds weird |
| 23:19.50 | BCMM | since the n900 kinda replaces that camera |
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| 23:19.54 | BCMM | but still, it was kinda awesome |
| 23:20.01 | BCMM | found a really nice cable on ebay too |
| 23:20.08 | MohammadAG | moh-e-ned, though you'll have to sed an M :P |
| 23:20.36 | BCMM | straight to usb A female, with just enough cable to prevent it being used as a lever to open up the phone |
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| 23:21.29 | alterego | Or M-E-N for short? |
| 23:22.37 | BCMM | "man men" |
| 23:22.41 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 23:25.19 | MohammadAG | night peeps |
| 23:26.09 | BCMM | night |
| 23:28.59 | Venemo | night |
| 23:30.11 | sivang | anybody knhow how to make stupid git vrebise? |
| 23:30.13 | sivang | verbose? |
| 23:30.23 | sivang | it is killing last 3 hours of my sleep time |
| 23:30.45 | sivang | I am trying to clone something off project.forum.nokia.com |
| 23:30.58 | sivang | works for my friend over seas, doesnot for me |
| 23:31.11 | nomis | sivang: "--verbose" exists. what info are you missing? |
| 23:31.12 | sivang | it sits after the passwrod [rompts and does nothing according to strace |
| 23:31.20 | sivang | nomis: I wish I knew :) |
| 23:31.42 | sivang | nomis: but this piece of reluctant rcs does not give it for free. thanks, I'll try now |
| 23:32.00 | crashanddie | sivang: you shouldn't be prompted for a password when cloning |
| 23:32.15 | nomis | sivang: which repository URL are you trying to clone? |
| 23:32.22 | crashanddie | sivang: you using git://, http:// or ssh://? |
| 23:32.47 | sivang | crashanddie: https |
| 23:33.07 | sivang | git clone https://sivang@projects.forum.nokia.com/git/qactus.git |
| 23:33.21 | sivang | crashanddie: it's private for now |
| 23:33.28 | sivang | crashanddie: until it gets more meat |
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| 23:34.59 | crashanddie | get rid of the sivang@ |
| 23:35.03 | crashanddie | and try again |
| 23:35.13 | crashanddie | or just https://sivang:password@projects... |
| 23:35.55 | crashanddie | sivang: but git shouldn't be doing anything at that point, it's probably openssl or whatever implementation it uses for HTTP Authentication of HTTPS that is fucking up |
| 23:35.58 | sivang | crashanddie: thanks, you are far more helpful than #git peopel telling me to wireshark(!!!) |
| 23:36.09 | sivang | crashanddie: had I coded it, it would say so |
| 23:36.10 | crashanddie | it's https, wireshark isn't going to be useful |
| 23:36.21 | sivang | crashanddie: that it has issue or propgate ssl's errors |
| 23:36.22 | sivang | jesus |
| 23:36.37 | sivang | and people say bzr is awkward |
| 23:36.43 | sivang | trie |
| 23:36.45 | sivang | trie |
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| 23:36.52 | andre__ | is only used to git ssh:// cloning |
| 23:36.56 | crashanddie | sivang: git is fine, git over http auth over https |
| 23:37.04 | crashanddie | now that's just asking for trouble |
| 23:37.08 | sivang | heh |
| 23:37.10 | crashanddie | case in point: exhibit a |
| 23:37.14 | sivang | bzr has no issue with that |
| 23:37.18 | sivang | and never had |
| 23:37.19 | sivang | :) |
| 23:37.24 | sivang | *had |
| 23:37.28 | BCMM | does HEN's mount button try sda or sda1? |
| 23:37.29 | crashanddie | sivang: do you have an ssh push address? |
| 23:37.35 | sivang | err, no |
| 23:37.42 | sivang | it's only https |
| 23:37.49 | crashanddie | sivang: so how do you push to it? |
| 23:37.57 | crashanddie | over https? |
| 23:38.11 | sivang | crashanddie: I guess, how does gitorious does that? it creates SSH accounts for its users? |
| 23:38.23 | crashanddie | there's one ssh account, usually called git |
| 23:38.37 | crashanddie | so you do a git push git@<url>:/path/to/git.git |
| 23:39.40 | sivang | okay, please forgive my ignorance with git, I am a long time bzr user |
| 23:40.09 | sivang | I think it uses dav to push through HTTP{S} , with bzr |
| 23:40.35 | sivang | so, should I try log in with that account? |
| 23:41.00 | sivang | the odd thing that someone else managed to clone without problem, at all. |
| 23:41.07 | chx | bzr pushes through ssh |
| 23:41.14 | chx | check the bzr info of an lp: account |
| 23:41.21 | chx | erm, checkout |
| 23:41.24 | chx | it'll be bzr+ssh:// |
| 23:41.33 | nomis | sivang: then maybe something went wrong when authorizing you. How did you give them your credentials? |
| 23:41.37 | nomis | or in what form? |
| 23:42.04 | sivang | nomis: I've thought about it. If that is the case then I'm deeply disappointed. :-...( |
| 23:42.13 | crashanddie | sivang: I know what it is |
| 23:42.18 | crashanddie | sivang: well, I think I know |
| 23:42.21 | sivang | crashanddie: please help :) |
| 23:42.36 | crashanddie | you need to add the nokia CA cert to your gnutls certificate collection |
| 23:42.55 | sivang | chx: I think it supportd something other as well, like HTTP dav or does still |
| 23:43.05 | BCMM | wow, i can actually use a smartmedia reader with this... |
| 23:43.16 | chx | there is a bzr webdav plugin but it's def not the default |
| 23:43.32 | crashanddie | sivang: what OS are you running? |
| 23:43.40 | BCMM | still doesn't seem right that i can use USB devices that are substantially larger than the n900 somehow... |
| 23:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: look into mount.sh, you'll see it |
| 23:43.43 | sivang | crashanddie: ubuntu 10.10 |
| 23:43.50 | sivang | crashanddie: my freind has opensuse |
| 23:43.56 | sivang | crashanddie: I think we're getting closer |
| 23:43.57 | crashanddie | could be that |
| 23:43.59 | crashanddie | https://projects.forum.nokia.com/HelpAndSupport/wiki/GitQuickStart#GitTLSissue |
| 23:44.00 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah, didn't know it worked that way |
| 23:44.10 | crashanddie | compile your own git version, and include support for openssl |
| 23:44.21 | crashanddie | curl-gnutls is kinda broken apparently |
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| 23:44.39 | sivang | thank you ubuntuism! |
| 23:44.43 | sivang | again </sigh> |
| 23:44.48 | crashanddie | not ubuntu |
| 23:44.50 | crashanddie | but packagers |
| 23:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | iirc the shell pattern was incl any single digit at end |
| 23:45.05 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 23:45.06 | crashanddie | I'm off |
| 23:45.08 | crashanddie | 'later |
| 23:45.10 | sivang | crashanddie: okay, let me try and fix this crap, thank you! |
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| 23:46.42 | BCMM | http://ompldr.org/vNmp3Nw weeee! |
| 23:47.15 | BCMM | thank you, everyone who's involved in hostmode stuff |
| 23:47.30 | sivang | hostmode is go? |
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| 23:48.48 | BCMM | sivang: in a beta sort of way in -devel |
| 23:49.19 | sivang | BCMM: wow, nice, what did it take to get there? |
| 23:49.30 | sivang | besides lots of lemmings :) |
| 23:49.31 | BCMM | sivang: ask someone who actually did stuff... |
| 23:49.41 | BCMM | sivang: it took some hard work by some awesome people |
| 23:49.42 | sivang | MohammadAG: there? |
| 23:49.55 | sivang | and DocScrutinizer ? |
| 23:50.08 | BCMM | sivang: [23:25:18] <MohammadAG> night peeps |
| 23:50.14 | sivang | right |
| 23:50.19 | sivang | I'll talk top him tomorrow |
| 23:50.22 | sivang | well, very nice |
| 23:50.31 | BCMM | now lets stop highlighting in case we wake him up. |
| 23:50.32 | sivang | I wish I knew half of what they know :-D |
| 23:50.36 | sivang | yes |
| 23:51.01 | BCMM | they have a nice GUI for it now, though you have to choose the USB speed manually |
| 23:51.09 | sivang | amazing |
| 23:51.20 | sivang | Moh prolly did the UI |
| 23:51.26 | BCMM | presumably |
| 23:51.31 | sivang | I saw him playing ith QML and stuff throughout the last cople of weeks |
| 23:51.35 | sivang | he posted shots |
| 23:51.37 | BCMM | i'm really pleased with the cable i got on ebay |
| 23:51.41 | BCMM | sivang: the mediaplayer thing? |
| 23:51.43 | sivang | :) |
| 23:51.46 | sivang | BCMM: yes |
| 23:51.52 | blue_led | hi. i have a compiler problem . i compiled an external module ( usb to ethernet ) for power 46. the module depends on usbnet. on n900 usbnet crc values don't fit with crc values from power kernel headers . what to do ? |
| 23:51.53 | sivang | also on theforum thread |
| 23:52.06 | BCMM | gotta say, this platform doesn't feel much like it's dieing :) |
| 23:54.00 | sivang | BCMM: you're not mistaken |
| 23:54.10 | sivang | BCMM: see threads on forum re: community |
| 23:54.31 | sivang | I even got some resposne on a feature DocScrutinizer suggested some time ago |
| 23:54.47 | sivang | from the -arm adapation team manager |
| 23:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 23:55.13 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: well, sort of , Harri said this could be a FEA against adaptation and that it's worth discussing |
| 23:55.23 | BCMM | oh wow, works with an ipod classic (a total power hog) |
| 23:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: no idea what you're talking baout |
| 23:56.29 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=9700 |
| 23:56.31 | povbot | Bug 9700: media art not syn'd with artist name and song playing |
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| 23:56.55 | sivang | povboyt is wrong |
| 23:56.56 | BCMM | heh, i wanted this for transferring stuff to friend's USB sticks, but the stuff i've just picked up to test it is making me realise: the n900 has replaced a lot of my USB devices... |
| 23:57.12 | BCMM | the ipod and the card reader for my old digital camera... |
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| 23:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 23:57.42 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is FEA? |
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| 23:57.54 | BCMM | R? |
| 23:57.59 | nomis | Funny Entertainment Agency. |
| 23:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~fea |
| 23:58.59 | BCMM | French Equatorial Africa |
| 23:59.07 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I think it is a Functionalit Enhancment *something |
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| 23:59.09 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 23:59.34 | BCMM | fsck everything! aaaaaaaahhhh! |
| 23:59.42 | sivang | heh |
| 23:59.49 | sivang | Feature Enhancement Addition? |
