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| 00:00.22 | GAN900 | What Tablet UX? |
| 00:00.58 | chem|st | GAN900: netbook ux is more tablet ux than entbook ux... |
| 00:01.15 | johnx | google seems to have references to it, but ... I guess maybe it disappeared or got renamed or something? |
| 00:01.19 | johnx | or merged into netbook? |
| 00:01.40 | chem|st | johnx: merged? no way |
| 00:01.52 | chem|st | netbook ux was that crap from the start on |
| 00:02.13 | johnx | sooo, there is or isn't a tablet ux? |
| 00:02.39 | GAN900 | johnx, isn't a thing yet |
| 00:02.46 | GAN900 | No working group, no code. |
| 00:02.50 | chem|st | isn't |
| 00:02.58 | johnx | bleh |
| 00:03.04 | GAN900 | Just a plan for it to be a supported hardware type. |
| 00:03.07 | chem|st | johnx: ??? |
| 00:03.42 | chem|st | johnx: as I just said netbook ux feels more like a tablet ux atm |
| 00:04.17 | johnx | is it actually comfortable to use on a 7" - 10" tablet? |
| 00:04.36 | GAN900 | No |
| 00:04.46 | GAN900 | Can't get to the toolbar with the touchscreen. |
| 00:04.53 | johnx | heh |
| 00:05.00 | chem|st | it is not even comfortable on an 11" netbook... |
| 00:05.41 | chem|st | or 10" or 9" |
| 00:06.25 | johnx | so, maybe I'll hold off on a tablet purchase then ... |
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| 00:07.08 | chem|st | johnx: the more you talk the more I think you will find yourself a better place... |
| 00:07.14 | GAN900 | johnx, only get something if it's got a decent screen. |
| 00:07.27 | GAN900 | Poor viewing angles are really killer with tablets. |
| 00:07.31 | johnx | chem|st, hmm? |
| 00:07.51 | johnx | GAN900, I need to get some hands-on time with the nook color, but that's what I was thinking about |
| 00:08.33 | chem|st | johnx: there is no good hardware out yet and there is no good ux out yet closest to usable are galaxy and iPad and both are way of my path |
| 00:08.45 | johnx | mine too |
| 00:09.02 | johnx | I have no interest in android or iOS (either the apple one or the cisco one ;) ) |
| 00:09.35 | chem|st | johnx: get yourself a netbook and a $80 touchscreen, much more use |
| 00:10.14 | johnx | sadly, netbook hardware doesn't interest me much either for tablet uses |
| 00:10.50 | johnx | I'm happy to hack on unfinished stuff, but I have no interest in doing the project by myself |
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| 00:11.14 | johnx | so I'll just poke at meego/pandora for now :) |
| 00:11.42 | GAN900 | bookseller. |
| 00:13.39 | chem|st | wrong channel btw... |
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| 00:15.00 | rm_you | :P |
| 00:15.35 | johnx | more on-topic than a lot of the other stuff on here |
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| 00:19.05 | GAN900 | johnx, oh, and you and rm_you both suck for not making Dublin. |
| 00:19.16 | rm_you | I WANTED TO |
| 00:19.19 | rm_you | could not get time off |
| 00:19.24 | rm_you | I asked if I could take unpaid time off |
| 00:19.45 | johnx | GAN900, haven't been in maemo-land for the last year, so I didn't want to ask for sponsorship |
| 00:19.46 | rm_you | their response was "Sure, but only if it's for the next 80 years" |
| 00:19.51 | johnx | and couldn't make it without sponsorship |
| 00:19.58 | rm_you | yeah, same, except i could afford the trip |
| 00:20.00 | rm_you | but |
| 00:20.22 | rm_you | since i have a job and could afford the trip, i have a job and couldn't leave T_T |
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| 00:22.47 | GAN900 | Plan for SF in April. |
| 00:23.36 | johnx | hmm? |
| 00:23.39 | johnx | what's happening there? |
| 00:23.49 | GAN900 | Next conference. |
| 00:24.21 | GAN900 | Industry oriented, but still MeeGo |
| 00:24.48 | johnx | maybe I can get work to send me |
| 00:25.39 | johnx | but international meego summit is in june? |
| 00:26.07 | GAN900 | November |
| 00:26.50 | johnx | I'm looking at wiki.meego.com/Events . Should I be looking somewhere else? |
| 00:27.42 | GAN900 | Funny that they call the SF one industry oriented given the number of OEMs and commercial devs in Dublin. |
| 00:28.04 | GAN900 | Was definitely not a Maemo event. |
| 00:28.36 | johnx | having more than one company with their ass on the line is probably for the best |
| 00:29.04 | GAN900 | Aye |
| 00:29.08 | SpeedEvil | AMD++ |
| 00:29.22 | SpeedEvil | Especially from the point of view of dilution of effort. |
| 00:29.24 | GAN900 | They spent SO much money |
| 00:29.47 | GAN900 | Paid for exactlyone drink the whole trip. |
| 00:31.24 | johnx | soo, on the events list I see the april event in SF and i see "international meego summit" for may 30 - april 1 in Finland. |
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| 00:31.34 | GAN900 | I was really surprised by the AMD announcement. |
| 00:31.52 | GAN900 | unofficial thing. |
| 00:32.13 | johnx | it's awesome, cause it's essentially a vote of "no confidence" in microsoft from both x86 vendors |
| 00:32.57 | GAN900 | Well, for WP7 anyway. |
| 00:33.44 | GAN900 | (can't believe we're still stuck with the x86 duopoly) |
| 00:33.58 | johnx | I just hope intel doesn't crush ARM |
| 00:34.07 | johnx | that would be bad I think |
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| 00:34.23 | GAN900 | I find it unlikely. |
| 00:34.39 | SpeedEvil | Intel used to sell arm |
| 00:34.45 | GAN900 | Really not ultimately in their best interests. |
| 00:35.22 | johnx | SpeedEvil, yup. they also used to say that itanium was the future |
| 00:35.35 | SpeedEvil | ia432 looked interesting |
| 00:35.41 | ieatlint | i wouldn't go and buy plane tickets for the sf event until it's confirmed :P |
| 00:35.42 | SpeedEvil | I wonder what'd have happened if it came off. |
| 00:35.49 | ieatlint | i've heard may dates, yet the events page lists april |
| 00:35.52 | GAN900 | Be nice to ditch x86 |
| 00:36.00 | johnx | ieatlint, If all goes well, I won't be buying my own plane tickets for it |
| 00:36.02 | corecode | scummvm \o/ |
| 00:36.02 | SpeedEvil | (though I was more interested in crayons at the time) |
| 00:36.13 | ieatlint | johnx: hah, good luck then :) |
| 00:36.22 | GAN900 | It's incredible the technical and economic damage MS has done. |
| 00:36.26 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_iAPX_432 |
| 00:36.37 | SpeedEvil | The 32 bit processor for the 1980s |
| 00:36.52 | SpeedEvil | With all sorts of stuff that still hasn't come to mainstream. |
| 00:37.00 | corecode | i wonder how to stretch the scummvm video size to cover the whole screen area |
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| 00:46.06 | blackthorne | hi |
| 00:46.10 | johnx | hallo |
| 00:49.37 | rm_you | yeah i have more vacation time next year |
| 00:49.41 | rm_you | so I will go to SF :) |
| 00:49.43 | rm_you | also I love SF |
| 00:49.51 | johnx | rm_you, yeah. I need to get back to SF as well |
| 00:49.55 | rm_you | though I also really would have liked to visit dublin |
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| 00:50.27 | johnx | yeah. just wasn't in the cards for this year |
| 00:50.32 | ieatlint | is from sf... i can offer peoples advice |
| 00:50.47 | rm_you | I've visited SF, it's awesome |
| 00:50.54 | rm_you | spent a day in japantown |
| 00:51.01 | ieatlint | like where to eat, where to avoid to get mugged (or conversely, where to go to mug), or buy drugs |
| 00:51.05 | rm_you | need to find a better ramen place next time tho |
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| 00:51.53 | johnx | ieatlint, I'm from san mateo, but that was 20 years ago :) |
| 00:52.05 | ieatlint | the good ramen is in the richmond and sunset districts... a 45min+ trek from downtown by public transit |
| 00:52.20 | ieatlint | hehe, where are you now then? |
| 00:52.22 | johnx | half of me wants to drive down from seattle ... |
| 00:52.27 | ieatlint | ah |
| 00:52.33 | ieatlint | yeah, seattle > san mateo |
| 00:52.52 | johnx | well, when I say seattle, I mean bellevue |
| 00:53.00 | johnx | and bellevue vs san mateo ... hmm |
| 00:53.08 | ieatlint | not the worst drive, but if it's just you, the cost of gas will rival airfare |
| 00:53.23 | johnx | yeah, which is why I need to con someone else into coming along |
| 00:53.59 | johnx | where are you now, ieatlint? |
| 00:54.11 | ieatlint | in sf |
| 00:54.28 | rm_you | heh, too bad i'm not in seattle :P |
| 00:54.43 | johnx | yeah, I might just end up flying |
| 00:54.44 | ieatlint | presidio on the edge of the richmond |
| 00:55.09 | johnx | planning to stop by the embedded linux / meego thing in april? |
| 00:55.32 | ieatlint | interested, but haven't looked into it |
| 00:56.22 | ieatlint | the website seems rather bare |
| 00:56.35 | ieatlint | and doesn't list an upcoming event |
| 00:56.43 | johnx | the public wiki on ce linux returns a 403 |
| 00:56.46 | johnx | very fitting |
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| 02:12.47 | dotblank | I'm trying to think what library I should use for mp3 decoding |
| 02:12.55 | dotblank | I'm thinking about using libavcodec |
| 02:13.11 | dotblank | I'm trying to not use libphonon |
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| 02:14.15 | johnx | gstreamer? |
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| 02:15.29 | dotblank | I was thinking about that but i'm really going for performance |
| 02:15.34 | SpeedEvil | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec |
| 02:15.40 | dotblank | also does gstreamer allow you to apply ladspa effects |
| 02:15.40 | SpeedEvil | see that - arm optimised |
| 02:17.43 | dotblank | thanks |
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| 02:44.20 | maher | media player is not finding the songs on my sdhc card - is there any way to persuade it to? |
| 02:44.44 | johnx | maher, what format is your sd card? |
| 02:44.56 | maher | johnsu01: ext3 |
| 02:45.20 | johnx | dunno if that makes a difference or not (and yes, I know it *shouldn't* make a difference) |
| 02:45.48 | johnx | does it find one if you copy it to the music folder on the device itself? |
| 02:45.58 | maher | johnsu01: it used to in the past, but i switched sims temporarily and now it doesn't find them (sims should be irrelevent one would hope...) |
| 02:46.18 | maher | johnsu01: it finds the music in the main fs |
| 02:46.37 | johnx | careful with the tab :) |
| 02:47.08 | johnx | remove and reinsert card? just for fun |
| 02:47.14 | GAN900 | re-reads AnandTech's N900 review. |
| 02:50.20 | maher | johnx: ok - i'm lying - its only finding the .mp3's - nearly everything is in oggs.... |
| 02:50.46 | johnx | heh. well that's different :) do you have ogg-support or whatever it's called? |
| 02:51.44 | maher | johnx: ok - its finding the mp3s on the card - let me check to see if i lost the ogg support stuff somehow... |
| 02:52.33 | maher | johnx: ogg-support is installed |
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| 02:55.26 | maher | i have tracker-extractor-vorbis |
| 03:02.45 | maher | outrageous |
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| 03:03.27 | maher | apt-get remove ogg-support touches every ogg file in the main fs |
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| 03:11.08 | maher | ok - that seems to have fixed it... |
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| 03:50.05 | bef0rd | uhm my camera stopped working suddenly. /me checks tmo threads |
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| 03:57.29 | johnx | bef0rd, reboot |
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| 04:08.54 | Termana | good morning |
| 04:11.45 | rm_you | bef0rd: yeah, i've had that, reboot always fixed it for me |
| 04:20.56 | bef0rd | thanks. gonna try that after finnish scanning the internal MMC for filesystem errors |
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| 04:30.00 | dotblank | instead of phonon |
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| 04:49.18 | chx | mmmm good ramen and i am about to have dinner |
| 04:49.36 | chx | we have really, really good ramen just an easy 10-15 min walk away |
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| 05:49.02 | MohammadAG | need it for my school's WIP |
| 05:49.03 | MohammadAG | WEP even |
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| 06:56.43 | MoL0ToV | hi to all |
| 06:57.09 | MoL0ToV | someone know if is planned to develore maemo for nokia N-97 N97mini and so on? |
| 06:57.30 | MoL0ToV | symbian is very slow and not secure |
| 06:57.44 | MoL0ToV | exist a toolchain to develope on N97-mini ? |
| 06:58.01 | MoL0ToV | sdk or other things to help? |
| 07:01.29 | ieatlint | maemo has already reached end of life, and won't be supported on any new devices... |
| 07:02.22 | ieatlint | i'd doubt there will be any community effort to bring it to the n97, or likely any symbian phone... |
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| 07:38.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | how would I make mediaplayer open an URL like mmsh://ondemand.msmedia.zdf.newmedia.nacamar.net/zdf/data/msmedia/3sat/10/12/101202_sendung_nano_h.wmv except by editing an existing video bookmark? Is there *any* way for direct URL entry? |
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| 07:39.36 | jacekowski | use non stock media player |
| 07:40.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | for instance? |
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| 07:40.19 | lardman | morning |
| 07:40.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | morn |
| 07:41.27 | Jay_BEE | gn (ugt) |
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| 07:46.16 | lardman | Hmm, very quiet in here.... |
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| 07:52.34 | ebzzry | Hi! Where does microb store its cache? |
| 07:53.58 | lardman | under ~/.mozilla I guess |
| 07:54.25 | lardman | or perhaps ~/.browser |
| 07:57.55 | ebzzry | OK |
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| 08:03.57 | RobbieThe1st | Linux question: have three SATA disks, all 640GB identical models. They are /dev/sda, b, and c respectively. One is connected via USB - How can I tell which it is? |
| 08:04.33 | lardman | lsusb give anything? |
| 08:04.45 | lardman | oh, they are identical, hmm |
| 08:05.11 | lardman | unplug the usb one and see which one vanishes ;) |
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| 08:05.43 | RobbieThe1st | lsusb doesn't seem to show any. And I'd like -not- to do that, because they are all part of a raid which my boot drive is on |
| 08:06.09 | lardman | sure |
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| 08:08.59 | lardman | dmesg might give you a clue, if it's still fresh |
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| 08:14.51 | nidO | pulling the disk out is gonna be the most straightforward way, presumably theyre raid5? |
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| 08:19.55 | lardman | anyone know how the word suggestion stuff is implemented and if it's possible to copy that in e.g. a Python program? |
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| 08:26.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: afaik it's in the textinput box. At least xchat has it too, so why shouldn't it work in a python prog? |
| 08:27.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess the relevant bindings will be available |
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| 08:29.01 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
| 08:30.23 | Macer | hm |
| 08:30.34 | Macer | anybody know a good osx vnc client that can do scaling? |
| 08:31.10 | johnx | Macer, the built-in one ... |
| 08:32.36 | Macer | there's a built in one? :) |
| 08:32.42 | Macer | in leopard? |
| 08:32.47 | Macer | i got the one from darwin ports but meh |
| 08:33.21 | Macer | i can't seem to figure out how to scale it if it even does and scrolling is a pain and it's for an xp home computer which doesn't do rdp :/ |
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| 08:36.37 | johnx | Macer, in finder: cmd+k, then: vnc://hostname.local |
| 08:36.56 | Macer | no way |
| 08:37.19 | johnx | also, xp home can be registry hacked to support rdp I think |
| 08:38.19 | Macer | omg johnx .. i never knew that |
| 08:38.26 | Macer | that's so awesome |
| 08:38.31 | johnx | it's not a great vnc client, but it's not *bad* |
| 08:38.54 | Macer | it scales |
| 08:38.56 | Macer | that's all i care about ;) |
| 08:39.22 | johnx | the coolest thing is it actually supports multi-monitors pretty well too |
| 08:42.01 | RST38h | Well. Moorning all. Heya johnx, Macer |
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| 08:42.25 | johnx | hallo RST38h. played with git much? |
| 08:43.01 | RST38h | nah, not orgasmic about version control systems |
| 08:43.15 | Macer | johnx: crap i'm just happy it works lol |
| 08:43.22 | crashanddie | johnx, need help? |
| 08:43.24 | Macer | that is way better than the tightvnc from the macports tree |
| 08:43.52 | johnx | crashanddie, any good way to find the first revision a pattern appeared in (in this case a specific function)? |
| 08:43.57 | Macer | johnx: what's full screen? |
| 08:43.59 | Macer | cmd+f ? |
| 08:44.05 | Macer | to get it to go full screen? :) |
| 08:44.08 | crashanddie | johnx, bisect can help |
| 08:44.10 | johnx | Macer, no key bindings I think ... |
| 08:44.20 | Macer | hm |
| 08:44.29 | johnx | since otherwise you couldn't send those to the host ;) |
| 08:46.11 | crashanddie | johnx, or you can do the pickaxe search |
| 08:46.18 | crashanddie | johnx, git log -S'line that was added' |
| 08:46.28 | crashanddie | and it will show you the logs |
| 08:47.03 | MoL0ToV | <ieatlint> maemo has already reached end of life, and won't be supported on any new devices... |
| 08:47.36 | MoL0ToV | the symbian source code is available to comunity? |
| 08:47.50 | MoL0ToV | also gsm drivers, protocols, and so? |
| 08:48.51 | MoL0ToV | if nokia refuses to switch to linux, i trow my n97 and buy a china phone. |
| 08:49.00 | MoL0ToV | n97 firmware is so bad |
| 08:49.09 | MoL0ToV | slow and unstable |
| 08:49.34 | MoL0ToV | the comunity want linux kernel running on nokia cpus |
| 08:49.41 | crashanddie | MoL0ToV, and #maemo really isn't the channel to talk about Symbian |
| 08:50.12 | RST38h | NoL0ToV: Thank you for your data input. Where do you want to go today? |
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| 08:52.40 | Macer | new freddy kreuger sucks |
| 08:52.48 | Macer | just not the same without robert england |
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| 08:53.37 | RST38h | Macer: Wasn't very scary to begin with |
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| 08:54.13 | Macer | yeah. it was more humor than horror ;) |
| 08:54.27 | Venemo_N900 | MoL0ToV: check the code for yourself |
| 08:54.29 | Macer | but still. this new guy just simply can't pull it off |
| 08:54.47 | Macer | hm. i need to reg hack this box so i can rdp to it |
| 08:54.49 | Macer | stupid xp home :) |
| 08:55.08 | Macer | but xp is the most compatible with what i need it for |
| 08:55.31 | Macer | i'm remuxing my dts mkvs into ac3 so i don't run into dts decoder problems |
| 08:55.59 | Macer | my popcornhour doesn't have a built in dts decoder and i need a better tv center because the cables are so ugly when i have the receiver hooked up |
| 08:56.10 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: cheers |
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| 08:58.57 | lardman | hmm, confusing, I'm using PyObject_CallMethod() to get a PyObject* yet it seems to go out of scope immediately, I need to block and let the Python code run somehow |
| 08:59.08 | lardman | me does some googling |
| 09:00.10 | Macer | i hope meego gets going for my n900.. would be nice to get a fully functional os that won't be outdated heh |
| 09:00.18 | Macer | or nitdroid.. nitdroid would be nice too :) |
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| 09:02.57 | lardman | thinks that perhaps providing a window created in C++ would solve this issue, then just wait for it to be destroyed, assuming events will work in the Python code |
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| 09:09.08 | Venemo_N900 | Macer: you'll have to be patient for MeeGo |
| 09:09.20 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: what's the problem? |
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| 09:09.49 | lardman | trying to get mbarcode python plugins to do something useful |
| 09:10.39 | Macer | Venemo_N900: yeah :( |
| 09:10.40 | Macer | sucks |
| 09:10.41 | Macer | heh |
| 09:11.27 | Venemo_N900 | lardman: ouch. |
| 09:11.45 | Venemo_N900 | Macer: MeeGo is nowhere near usable (yet) |
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| 09:13.45 | Macer | Venemo_N900: yeah i heard ;) |
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| 09:13.56 | Macer | nitdroid is for the most part |
| 09:14.05 | RST38h | morning lardman |
| 09:14.13 | Macer | at the very least it has the modem working :) |
| 09:14.21 | Macer | that was a pretty huge step. nice to see that going |
| 09:14.22 | RST38h | lardman: impossible happened yesterday: mbarcode has done somethign useful! |
| 09:14.31 | haltdef | can't wait to get meego 1.2 on my n900 |
| 09:14.31 | lardman | hi RST38h |
| 09:14.33 | haltdef | portrait please |
| 09:14.43 | lardman | RST38h: what was the useful thing then? :) |
| 09:14.45 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:14.56 | lardman | morning Jaffa |
| 09:14.59 | RST38h | lardman: scanned a pack of cookies, did google search, brought up some online store offering to buy the same cookies |
| 09:15.04 | lardman | :) |
| 09:15.20 | RST38h | lardman: [note: scanned it casually, while in the kitchen] |
| 09:15.46 | crashanddie | well that wasn't useful, you already had said cookies |
| 09:15.52 | Macer | RST38h: hahha! |
| 09:16.05 | RST38h | lardman: BTW, for some reason mbarcode goes to sleep on startup and needs some coercing to wake up (usually by flicking camera cover) |
| 09:16.08 | Macer | RST38h: did you buy them? |
| 09:16.36 | RST38h | Macer: No, I have another 2 unopened packs hoarded =) |
| 09:16.43 | Macer | haha! |
| 09:17.22 | Macer | barcode scanners in android worked rather well |
| 09:17.42 | Macer | although it took quite a while to get a good scan with the cam with my G1 back in teh day |
| 09:18.14 | lardman | mBarcode needs to startup faster |
| 09:18.25 | lardman | and I also need to find some time to write some more useful/cool plugins |
| 09:18.44 | lardman | should be reasonably quiet now that I'm back from India, I hope |
| 09:18.56 | crashanddie | how was it? |
| 09:19.03 | Macer | lardman: last time i was in india it was horrible |
| 09:19.06 | Macer | worse than iraq :) |
| 09:19.12 | lardman | warmer than here, long week though |
| 09:19.20 | lardman | lots of work to do, etc |
| 09:19.27 | Macer | worst place i saw on the planet actually |
| 09:19.39 | Macer | lol |
| 09:19.43 | crashanddie | Macer, I guess that highly depends on where you go, and what you do |
| 09:19.44 | Macer | singapore was probably one of the best |
| 09:19.56 | Macer | well. we were in mumbai |
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| 09:20.06 | Macer | there was probably like 3 blocks of non-ghetto |
| 09:20.14 | crashanddie | lmao |
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| 09:20.20 | Macer | the rest was a cesspool |
| 09:20.21 | Macer | :) |
| 09:20.23 | crashanddie | "ghetto" |
| 09:20.31 | lardman | It's certainly dirty and you have to watch what you eat/drink/etc, also difficult getting round as there are no pavements and mad drivers |
| 09:20.32 | crashanddie | hahahahaha |
| 09:20.41 | Macer | crashanddie: ghetto is being kind |
| 09:21.08 | Macer | because the worst ghettoes here in chicago do not even come close in compairson to the disgust i walked through in india |
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| 09:21.58 | Macer | even iraq was better :) |
| 09:22.07 | crashanddie | figures, only a narrowminded american could say stupid shit like that |
| 09:22.20 | Macer | crashanddie: hey. i could only say what i saw ;) |
| 09:22.41 | Macer | and i've seen the worst ghettoes here... and comparing it to india.. india has chicago beat by a landslide |
| 09:23.15 | Macer | it isn't really being narrowminded when you have women walking up asking to buy their newborns then just throwing them into the street when you don't |
| 09:23.32 | Macer | obviously the quality of life is much lower in the area of india i was touring :) |
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| 09:24.50 | Macer | maybe i was just in a very bad area.. but compared to what i had to fall back on in life... i found india to be one place that i would not mind never going to ever again :) |
| 09:27.08 | crashanddie | Macer, only an idiot would blacklist a one billion-strong country on the basis he visited some whorestreet. There are areas in Paris where you can lose your life (if just that) for looking the wrong person in the eye, but it would be foolish to discount the whole of France as a bad destination on that basis, no? |
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| 09:29.26 | RST38h | http://fliptomato.wordpress.com/2007/03/19/medical-researcher-discovers-integration-gets-75-citations/ |
| 09:31.17 | Macer | crashanddie: possibly :) |
| 09:31.32 | Macer | fair enough |
| 09:31.53 | Macer | just had a bad experience and although there were a few nice areas the majority of the area was horrid |
| 09:31.56 | crashanddie | I'm pretty sure every country has some worse/better places, but in my experience, India is a very enjoyable and pleasant destination. Let's compare Cass corridor in Detroit with Santana Row in SJ. |
| 09:32.10 | Macer | if i find a cockroach in a bic mac it would probably take me a while to eat at mcdonalds again as well |
| 09:32.19 | crashanddie | true |
| 09:32.20 | lardman | RST38h: lol, a revolution, think of all the useful things one could use integration for :) |
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| 09:34.30 | RST38h | lardman: And the guy isn't even Steve Jobs! |
| 09:35.39 | RST38h | has a rule of avoiding places with hot climates, lots of people, and no sanitation |
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| 09:37.26 | lardman | I wish Ovi would stop taunting me by sending me emails about what I could do with me phone (if it were a symbian phone and had uptodate Ovi Maps)# |
| 09:37.47 | RST38h | filters, they rule |
| 09:38.05 | X-Fade | lardman: unsubscribe link? :) |
| 09:38.12 | lardman | well it's nice to see what it's like to live on the other side still ;) |
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| 09:38.34 | marmoute | haha loosing you life in paris. |
| 09:39.15 | marmoute | I don't know what you do for a living crashanddie, but it looks dangerous |
| 09:39.23 | X-Fade | marmoute: Easy, just cross a street the wrong way. |
| 09:39.48 | lardman | hmm, crossing the street in India is an experience |
| 09:40.21 | lardman | basically just walk, they don't tend to hit people too often |
| 09:40.32 | lardman | bloody scary though |
| 09:40.38 | crashanddie | so statistically speaking, you're safe? |
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| 09:41.04 | lardman | yes, and I reckon I'm taller and heavier than the average Indian car too, so they will try to avoid hitting me ;) |
| 09:41.45 | crashanddie | marmoute, convoyeur de fonds autour d'aubervilliers... |
| 09:41.49 | RST38h | They will get you with a Tata truck instead |
| 09:42.13 | lardman | yeah, one with no working brakes, that is a minor worry |
| 09:45.50 | RST38h | lardman: Seen any Ganges dolphins? |
| 09:46.26 | lardman | no, saw some tombs and monuments but other than that was a busy week working |
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| 09:50.00 | crashanddie | lardman, hang on... did you and your wife get a private visit of the Taj Mahal? |
| 09:50.39 | lardman | yeah they moved some French chap back a bit to fit us in ;) |
| 09:50.49 | crashanddie | thought as much :P |
| 09:51.09 | lardman | nah Holly didn't go |
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| 10:16.51 | ds3 | 7 |
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| 10:30.13 | cos^ | please give thumbs up for this, it's a nice app http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/cumulus/2.9.1-1/ |
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| 10:30.33 | Venemo_N900 | cos^: what app is it? |
| 10:31.13 | cos^ | it's a gliding navigation app |
| 10:31.34 | Venemo_N900 | cos^: elaborate pls :) |
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| 10:31.44 | cos^ | i've used (and a little bit developed) it for long time |
| 10:32.16 | cos^ | a bit like mappero but for aviation use :-) |
| 10:32.28 | cos^ | shows moving map and some information |
| 10:32.37 | alterego | Sounds a bit to much like columbus for my liking. |
| 10:32.50 | alterego | Have you announced it in the forums? |
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| 10:33.08 | cos^ | http://www.kflog.org/cumulus/screenshots/ |
| 10:33.45 | cos^ | nope, but it's known in the gliding community |
| 10:34.19 | alterego | Cool, |
| 10:34.22 | alterego | Get them to vote :P |
| 10:34.32 | alterego | I don't glide, so I can't test to vote it :P |
| 10:35.02 | Venemo_N900 | cos^: it looks great, but unfortunately I've never glided |
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| 10:35.08 | lcuk | alterego, this isn't your app? (yours is columbus yes?) |
| 10:35.19 | alterego | lcuk: exactly :P |
| 10:35.33 | lcuk | cos^, thanks for the hint, i will see if I can get an attachment on my dads glider |
| 10:35.35 | alterego | lcuk: I thought, cumulus sounded a bit like columbus :P |
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| 10:35.59 | lcuk | the screenshot shows an n810 with car holder |
| 10:36.07 | lcuk | hasnt seen one for n900 |
| 10:36.33 | pigeon | where can i change which device/partition the will mount automaticaly for /media/mmc1? |
| 10:36.37 | alterego | You can get various misc phone holders, but getting one to work in portrait may be the tricky part. |
| 10:36.43 | alterego | Though maybe it's easy, I don't know :) |
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| 10:37.07 | cos^ | lcuk: the author prefers using n810 as it has larger display and easier support for usb serial converter |
| 10:37.34 | lcuk | cos^, thats handy then, i have a spare n810 that has always been happy for mapping |
| 10:37.37 | cos^ | alterego: it can be tested on the ground. it can even download the maps |
| 10:38.03 | cos^ | i've been developing more finger friendly ui for cumulus, but it's not yet in the official versions |
| 10:38.04 | alterego | Well, I'd like to test it, but I'm very deep in my own stuff at the moment :P |
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| 10:38.18 | lcuk | cos^, if you have an n900 |
| 10:38.23 | lcuk | have a look at cloudgps |
| 10:38.39 | lcuk | :) extremely slick ui |
| 10:41.52 | cos^ | looks nice |
| 10:43.13 | cos^ | btw has erminig extras-dev version broken completely? |
| 10:43.26 | alterego | *cough* mine will be better *cough* |
| 10:43.28 | lcuk | cos^, how does cumulus download maps |
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| 10:43.42 | alterego | You could write cumulus as a plugin for columbus |
| 10:43.44 | lcuk | does it need to be done at home |
| 10:43.53 | cos^ | lcuk: it has them somewhere on server and pre-downloads them when started for first time |
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| 10:43.56 | alterego | I wanted to implement an aeronautical profile .. |
| 10:44.16 | lcuk | alterego, columbus is a swish looking compass isnt it? |
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| 10:44.31 | lcuk | at least thats all I get from the photos |
| 10:44.32 | alterego | It's more than just a bearing indicator :P |
| 10:44.38 | lcuk | perhaps you should release so people can see :P |
| 10:44.43 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:45.19 | cos^ | is there any info about columbus somewhere? i can't find on google |
| 10:45.28 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: yeah, release it! |
| 10:45.34 | alterego | :P |
| 10:45.47 | Venemo_N900 | cos^: alterego hasn't released it yet. noone's seen it yet |
| 10:45.56 | alterego | cos^: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html |
| 10:46.00 | Venemo_N900 | I'm starting to believe it's vapourware |
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| 10:46.07 | alterego | It is vapour ware! :P |
| 10:46.19 | cos^ | lcuk: yep you should pre-download the maps, as usually during flight there is no internet connection |
| 10:46.33 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:46.35 | lcuk | cos^, sure, that was my thought |
| 10:47.01 | cos^ | that's why google or os maps can't be used easily |
| 10:47.29 | lcuk | my dad goes hang gliding |
| 10:48.05 | lcuk | and paragliding too |
| 10:48.15 | lcuk | still waiting for him to do ski gliding tho |
| 10:48.19 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: is there also a map view or it's just the compass |
| 10:48.21 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:48.34 | alterego | There's a trackview |
| 10:48.46 | alterego | I'm undecided whether I'll implement maps. |
| 10:49.03 | alterego | There's already a crap tonne of mapping apps and that's not really the "purpose" of Columbus |
| 10:49.28 | cos^ | lcuk: you could show cumulus to him then.. it should give him all navigation stuff needed |
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| 10:49.56 | lcuk | indeed, I will cos^, thanks for highlighting it :) |
| 10:50.22 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: it'd be a nicer experience if I could see my track on a map |
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| 10:51.07 | alterego | I know, I have been tempted to implement it I must say. |
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| 10:51.32 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: and I like the background image of the app |
| 10:51.34 | lcuk | alterego, you have the most awesome looking compass |
| 10:51.42 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: where did you get it? |
| 10:51.43 | alterego | lcuk: :) |
| 10:51.54 | alterego | I made it in The GIMMP |
| 10:52.02 | Venemo_N900 | nice |
| 10:52.02 | alterego | -1xM |
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| 10:52.41 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: port it to symbian and sell it on ovi |
| 10:52.59 | alterego | I don't have an N8 |
| 10:53.27 | Venemo_N900 | borrow one |
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| 10:53.50 | alterego | I wonder how people would react to a free maemo edition and a paid for Symbian one :D |
| 10:54.21 | Venemo_N900 | well 99% of Symbian users don't know what Maemo is |
| 10:54.29 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:54.42 | Venemo_N900 | also you could make it a paid yet OSS app |
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| 10:55.45 | alterego | bbiam |
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| 11:03.10 | HRH_H_Crab | how do you guys cope with the terminal "losing" enter and arrow key functionality? |
| 11:03.34 | RobbieThe1st | Never had it happen to me... |
| 11:03.40 | HRH_H_Crab | i keep hitting reset but it doesnt always work with nested screens |
| 11:04.16 | HRH_H_Crab | or it will fix entee but not arrows |
| 11:04.32 | HRH_H_Crab | *enter |
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| 11:05.24 | chem|st | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer51 is there anything to know about powerkernel46? |
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| 11:09.43 | HRH_H_Crab | RobbieThe1st: yeah its the nested screens that cause it. |
| 11:09.52 | HRH_H_Crab | very annoying problem. |
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| 11:13.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | chem|st: it has issues |
| 11:13.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | what can I say? |
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| 11:30.32 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> 0001001000010010000100100001001000010010 <-- can't be a WEP can it? |
| 11:32.53 | alterego | sure it can |
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| 11:33.08 | alterego | convert it to ascii |
| 11:33.11 | alterego | Well, hex |
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| 11:34.54 | MohammadAG | it was in hex |
| 11:35.00 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> what's 0x1212121212 in binary? |
| 11:36.48 | alterego | hex pairs |
| 11:37.15 | alterego | representing an ascii string of 5 or more characters |
| 11:38.06 | MohammadAG | .toString() didn't work :P (jk) |
| 11:38.22 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:39.12 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:39.28 | alterego | form feed |
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| 11:39.36 | MohammadAG | err? |
| 11:39.39 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer51: issues? |
| 11:39.47 | alterego | I think that is what 0x12 is |
| 11:41.34 | MoL0ToV | exist a chan about maemo/symbian comunity developement for N-series nokia? |
| 11:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: absolutely correct. I've never seen any WEP UI where you enter keys in BINARY(!) |
| 11:42.49 | chem|st | MoL0ToV: QT? |
| 11:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: issues |
| 11:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | or, if you like that better, it's annoying buggy |
| 11:43.38 | MoL0ToV | chem|st, you mean qt library of kde project? |
| 11:44.07 | chem|st | MoL0ToV: I mean the platform Qt |
| 11:44.08 | MohammadAG | meh, cba to know what the pass was anymore |
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| 11:44.15 | MohammadAG | changed the network to open |
| 11:44.32 | MohammadAG | on that note, who the fuck links a secure router to an open one and makes the open one's pass admin/admin? |
| 11:44.39 | MohammadAG | other than my school of course |
| 11:44.45 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: at very least it has that LP5523 ""patch"" that meakes indicator and kbd LEDs go bonkers |
| 11:44.47 | chem|st | MohammadAG: nice |
| 11:45.11 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: indicator? |
| 11:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | indicator LED? |
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| 11:45.34 | chem|st | what does it do? |
| 11:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | You should have seen it |
| 11:45.57 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: mine behaves normal |
| 11:46.10 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: at least for now |
| 11:46.11 | DocScrutinizer | mine too |
| 11:46.14 | MohammadAG | reinstall kernel-power and reboot |
| 11:46.26 | chem|st | MohammadAG: is it on first boot? |
| 11:46.28 | DocScrutinizer | I'm on pr1.2 kernel :-P |
| 11:46.33 | MohammadAG | sometimes you get the bug, others times, not really |
| 11:46.54 | MohammadAG | chem|st, it's only affected by kernel-power, and last I checked, that doesn't ship with the stock image |
| 11:47.11 | MohammadAG | it's totally random, and when it happens, you need to remove the battery |
| 11:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 11:47.52 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ok so some time my device goes nuts and I have to remove the battery? what is the difference to pr1.3 stock? |
| 11:47.53 | MohammadAG | I really hope Nokia doesn't solder the battery in the N9 |
| 11:48.06 | MohammadAG | your device, not your LEDs |
| 11:48.20 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG_> FUCKING KERNEL-POWER |
| 11:48.22 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG_> Nokia-N900:~# ls /sys/class/leds/ |
| 11:48.22 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG_> twl4030:vibrator |
| 11:48.22 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG_> Nokia-N900:~# |
| 11:48.44 | chem|st | ehrm ouch |
| 11:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: if that's a correct characterization of PR1.3 kernel, then it will have a hard time to make its way onto my device |
| 11:48.54 | MoL0ToV | chem|st, QT is a sdk? exist something open-source operating system to load and run on a N-series nokia phone? |
| 11:48.54 | kerio | MohammadAG: what? |
| 11:49.14 | MohammadAG | the sysnode doesn't get regged |
| 11:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: what? |
| 11:50.07 | chem|st | MoL0ToV: Qt is a crossplatform environment used in kde/windows/meego/maemo/symbian... |
| 11:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: chem|st: matan ""patch" to lp5523.ko |
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| 11:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | instead of properly fixing that kinky driver, he fubar'd it |
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| 11:51.38 | chem|st | MoL0ToV: you are asking for a devel channel for maemo/symbian there might be a qt channel out there |
| 11:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | for absolutely obscure reasons and purpose |
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| 11:52.12 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: it is not a kernel characterization but a PR1.3 one |
| 11:52.24 | MohammadAG | remind me why the fuck I need to have rtcom-call-ui and rtcom-call-ui.launch |
| 11:52.26 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 11:52.28 | chem|st | seems since 1.1.1 it is getting worse |
| 11:52.42 | MohammadAG | no, it's kernel-power specific |
| 11:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why *.launch? |
| 11:53.05 | MohammadAG | yes, why do I have them |
| 11:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *.launch does some lib preload and sharing |
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| 11:54.01 | MohammadAG | so when I need to sed the call UI, which one do I edit? |
| 11:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | not the *.launch |
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| 11:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | check them, they all point to same executable iirc |
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| 11:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | it's kind of a universal lib-preloader wrapper |
| 11:55.18 | jaska | whatd call-ui do now? |
| 11:55.27 | jaska | what are you replacing there?:D |
| 11:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 11:55.52 | MohammadAG | actually |
| 11:56.26 | MohammadAG | .launch has the functions |
| 11:56.40 | MohammadAG | the binary points to the .launch file |
| 11:58.39 | DocScrutinizer | oops you're right |
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| 11:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-06-23 05:10 /usr/bin/osso-addressbook -> maemo-invoker |
| 11:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | of course, as you call the without-.launch file to start an app |
| 11:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | so what you call has to be the wrapper |
| 12:05.57 | MohammadAG | oh nice |
| 12:06.14 | MohammadAG | breaking rtcom-call-ui -> phone doesn't ring |
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| 12:06.21 | MohammadAG | nice call blocker, I'll keep it in mind |
| 12:06.38 | RST38h | heh |
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| 12:07.11 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
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| 13:01.50 | jaska | hmm.. i guess maemo-xinput-sounds is an useless process |
| 13:02.19 | MohammadAG | it's for screen feedback |
| 13:02.41 | jaska | yeah as much i figured from strings and google |
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| 13:03.38 | jaska | having one of those must-remove-everything-unnecessary -binges |
| 13:04.20 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/12/06/reindeer_attack/ ! |
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| 13:07.07 | FIQ|n900 | For some reason, my Python install seems to be borked |
| 13:07.37 | FIQ|n900 | Any python application i try to start just give an error about (insertmodulehere) not found |
| 13:08.07 | FIQ|n900 | for example, mobilehotspot: ImportError: No module named dbus |
| 13:08.32 | FIQ|n900 | or ipython: ImportError: No module named IPython.Shell |
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| 13:09.03 | chem|st | FIQ|n900: sounds fun! |
| 13:09.13 | FIQ|n900 | indeed |
| 13:09.33 | FIQ|n900 | Isn't it any possibility to revert, like reinstalling python? |
| 13:09.51 | chem|st | python has grown to a problem... yeah try reinstalling it |
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| 13:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | glares at python-optify |
| 13:13.10 | FIQ|n900 | bah, isn't there any "reinstall" command? As removing python also removes many applications that depend on it |
| 13:13.30 | baraujo | FIQ|n900, apt-get install --reinstall |
| 13:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: check your mounts. Are there some python bindmounts? |
| 13:13.38 | FIQ|n900 | ah, ok |
| 13:13.42 | FIQ|n900 | @ baraujo |
| 13:13.49 | FIQ|n900 | hm, i can check |
| 13:14.19 | FIQ|n900 | seems so |
| 13:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/python2.5 on /usr/lib/python2.5 type bind (bind) |
| 13:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/pymaemo/usr/share/pyshared on /usr/share/pyshared type bind (bind) |
| 13:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/pyshared on /usr/lib/pyshared type bind (bind) |
| 13:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/pymaemo/usr/share/python-support on /usr/share/python-support type bind (bind) |
| 13:14.29 | DocScrutinizer | /opt/pymaemo/usr/lib/python-support on /usr/lib/python-support type bind (bind) |
| 13:14.31 | FIQ|n900 | 5 |
| 13:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | k, no clue then |
| 13:14.52 | DocScrutinizer | reinstall |
| 13:16.33 | FIQ|n900 | Didn't help, should i reinstall every package? |
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| 13:16.46 | FIQ|n900 | (just reinstalled python) |
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| 13:17.12 | FIQ|n900 | every package as in every related to python |
| 13:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'd try an uninstall purge the python packages, to discard any config files as well. Then force-reinstall the apps that use python, this should pull the dependencies automatically. But I'm talking outa my a.. here, as I have no idea of packaging and/or apt / deb-pkgs |
| 13:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | maybe you make your system go up in smoke by following this advice |
| 13:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | err ""advice"" |
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| 13:22.13 | DocScrutinizer | heard of some nasty concept recently which creates c and then binaries out of python libs and programs. I'd not be surprised to find such an 'optimizer' fsck up your system |
| 13:26.17 | FIQ|n900 | gah, i hate when HAM feels like locking apt randomly to do it's update check D: |
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| 13:31.25 | chem|st | FIQ|n900: havent set the update check grace period to forever? |
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| 13:35.23 | FIQ|n900 | <chem|st> FIQ|n900: havent set the update check grace period to forever? |
| 13:35.32 | FIQ|n900 | is that even doable? o.o |
| 13:35.43 | FIQ|n900 | never used HAM since installation of rootsh lol |
| 13:35.47 | FIQ|n900 | checks |
| 13:36.22 | kerio | FIQ|n900: you can set it to ~one year |
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| 13:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | only the auto-updates-check |
| 13:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | aiui FIQ|n900's problem is a bit different though |
| 13:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, on re-reading it- maybe not |
| 13:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check |
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| 13:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: ^^^ |
| 13:46.08 | FIQ | thanks |
| 13:46.36 | FIQ | Gah, i don't like hidden settings like that. :P |
| 13:46.38 | FIQ | but works for me |
| 13:47.18 | crashanddie | http://img.thedailywtf.com/images/201012/errord/SteamPeak_1.png |
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| 13:47.59 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, gonna get the playstation phone? |
| 13:48.12 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, pic? |
| 13:48.29 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, http://www.tekgoblin.com/2010/12/04/playstation-phone-zeus-has-been-revealed-video/ |
| 13:49.04 | MohammadAG | tell me it runs maemo 6, please! |
| 13:49.14 | crashanddie | nope |
| 13:49.14 | crashanddie | android |
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| 13:50.48 | MohammadAG | fuck it |
| 13:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 13:51.37 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: is that exabytes? |
| 13:51.48 | crashanddie | exabytes? |
| 13:51.52 | timeless_mbp | eta ? whatever |
| 13:52.05 | crashanddie | wtf you talking about? |
| 13:52.11 | timeless_mbp | the daily wtf |
| 13:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | MB/s |
| 13:52.24 | crashanddie | oh |
| 13:53.11 | crashanddie | yeah, looks like 2 exabytes per second |
| 13:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's all rather lame and not very unusual or exciting. Seen such things like 75% of cases where a dl-speed or copy-bandwidth is calculated |
| 13:55.11 | MohammadAG | not excited about it |
| 13:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | bandwith idling at 0 for several seconds, then going thru the roof on update of bytes-copied |
| 13:55.28 | MohammadAG | though the titles it'll get are probably good, knowing how song works |
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| 13:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | I read that as steampunk on first glance. Made my smile for a second |
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| 14:37.10 | MohammadAG | Is trolling documented somewhere? |
| 14:37.35 | timeless_mbp | maemo in wikipedia? |
| 14:37.45 | timeless_mbp | s/maemo/maybe/ |
| 14:37.55 | timeless_mbp | (not my best day) |
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| 14:39.03 | RST38h | MohammadAG: encyclopediadramatica? |
| 14:40.04 | MohammadAG | no .h file? damn |
| 14:40.14 | MohammadAG | RST38h, need a library :P |
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| 14:44.54 | RST38h | MohammadAG: No, no, trolling is documented there, I mean |
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| 15:13.49 | chocolat_ | hello |
| 15:13.58 | chocolat_ | it is possible to send sms from command-line ? |
| 15:14.22 | chocolat_ | (using terminal) |
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| 15:17.08 | Corsac | chocolat_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/DBus/DBus_in_Freemantle |
| 15:17.31 | lingling | hi, can anyone connect to the webpage "rtl2.kickerstar.de"? if I connect there only stands "Laden...". (it's a browsergame but thats no advertisement) |
| 15:17.40 | lingling | with you n900* |
| 15:17.42 | lingling | your* |
| 15:18.46 | chocolat_ | Corsac: thx, in fact I have ever seen this page and I was wondering about "pdu_array" variable. I don't where it come from |
| 15:18.51 | timeless_mbp | lingling: downforjustme.com ? |
| 15:19.40 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5237662575/ A n900 Christmas card. |
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| 15:22.39 | Corsac | chocolat_: no idea, I didn't even read it |
| 15:22.46 | chocolat_ | Corsac: ;) |
| 15:22.49 | chocolat_ | :( |
| 15:24.46 | lingling | @timeless_mbp its just for me down -.-. it works on my computer but not with my mobile devise ... :( |
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| 15:31.30 | pitufio | Hello, world! |
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| 15:32.34 | pitufio | Does anyone knows how to remove all that's related to IR, GPS, FM receiver and BT? |
| 15:32.35 | chocolat_ | pitufio: hello, can you do an "hello world" using cli ? :) |
| 15:33.07 | pitufio | chocolat_: echo "Hello, world!" |
| 15:33.59 | chocolat_ | well done :) I forgot to precise "sending by sms" :) |
| 15:34.21 | Necc | D: |
| 15:34.31 | SpeedEvil | pitufio: Do you have a hot-air reflow station, a good soldering iron, a magnifying viewer, and steady hands? |
| 15:34.37 | Necc | damn he's too smart! kill him! KILL HIM! |
| 15:35.35 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: hem... :) I mean, the device drivers, the related software and the init-script. |
| 15:35.45 | SpeedEvil | why? |
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| 15:36.07 | SpeedEvil | You can't remove all related to GPS, as there is code to handle it inside the modem. |
| 15:36.07 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: because I don't want that :) Any other question? |
| 15:36.15 | SpeedEvil | Which is not open. |
| 15:36.25 | SpeedEvil | IR is emission only |
| 15:36.45 | SpeedEvil | What's your aim? |
| 15:36.48 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: thanks for the interesting info |
| 15:37.12 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: using the device as 3G modem only and enforcing the non-usage of the listed devices |
| 15:37.47 | SpeedEvil | pitufio: What do you mean by enforcing. |
| 15:37.48 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: (and as a side effect, increasing battery life) |
| 15:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Someone can re-flash it. |
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| 15:37.56 | SpeedEvil | And you don't do that. |
| 15:38.14 | SpeedEvil | Just don't use the listed things, and you get the same battery benefits. |
| 15:38.36 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: a lot of processes related to that are running by default... |
| 15:38.37 | SpeedEvil | They would be no more off if you 'disable' them in some manner versus not using them |
| 15:38.42 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't matter. |
| 15:38.49 | SpeedEvil | They are not active. |
| 15:39.16 | SpeedEvil | With the device otherwise idle, and connected to wifi, I get 5-6 days battery life. |
| 15:39.35 | SpeedEvil | 3G modem will - if used at all - reduce battery life to 5-6 hours at most |
| 15:39.56 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
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| 15:40.16 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: eh... thanks for your explanation. My requirement is to remove all that or enforce the non-usage of all that |
| 15:40.25 | SpeedEvil | What do you mean by enforce. |
| 15:40.45 | SpeedEvil | You cannot remove GPS. |
| 15:41.02 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: I mean 'I want to be sure these devices are not used and will never be even by mistake' |
| 15:41.17 | SpeedEvil | Mistake or intention? |
| 15:41.21 | pitufio | both |
| 15:41.33 | SpeedEvil | Then it's impossible, as the device can be reflashed. |
| 15:41.34 | MohammadAG | remove the kernel module, if one exists |
| 15:41.40 | Necc | ... |
| 15:41.58 | SpeedEvil | If you hack on the init scripts, you can stop stuff being started. |
| 15:42.04 | Necc | pitufio: buy a chineese edition Nokia, they ban GPS by default |
| 15:42.09 | Necc | ... and wlan too |
| 15:42.20 | SpeedEvil | But this may go away on over-the-air upgrades |
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| 15:42.33 | pitufio | Necc: which means it's possible to do that :) |
| 15:42.48 | SpeedEvil | pitufio: Reflashing 'fixes' it |
| 15:43.06 | pitufio | SpeedEvil: of course |
| 15:43.26 | Necc | or tell me you are not paranoid thay the "big gowernment" will track you down and that's (or by similar reasons) you want to deactivate the gps? |
| 15:43.57 | pitufio | Necc: hehe... No I'm not. |
| 15:44.36 | Necc | good... because opensource means: someone who dig into the code will figure this out in no-time |
| 15:44.44 | crashanddie | haha |
| 15:45.10 | Necc | then why not choosing to simply not use GPS? it is a free service anyway |
| 15:45.38 | pitufio | Necc: yes, sure. I just don't want to be able to use by mistake |
| 15:46.17 | pitufio | Necc: I'm trying to have 'communication ways' that I can trust |
| 15:46.42 | Necc | then: settings - location - uncheck "GPS and "network positioning" |
| 15:47.07 | pitufio | Necc: My idea is to use the 3G modem w/ VoIP over IPSEC/SSL VPN on trusted servers |
| 15:47.10 | SpeedEvil | You can still use it by mistake. |
| 15:47.24 | Necc | voila you has no GPS until you "accidently" re-enable it again here |
| 15:47.30 | SpeedEvil | uninstall maps, and all of the related. |
| 15:47.49 | pitufio | Necc: and to be coherent, disable all devices that I don't want to use |
| 15:48.02 | Necc | ... |
| 15:48.11 | Necc | better to build a custom kernel then |
| 15:48.15 | pitufio | Necc: and through which some 'leaks' could occurs |
| 15:48.28 | pitufio | Necc: If it's the better solution, I'll :) |
| 15:48.44 | Necc | build a custom kernel, thats's 100 |
| 15:48.58 | Necc | i hope GPS is loaded by kernel <.< |
| 15:49.03 | SpeedEvil | It's not. |
| 15:49.10 | SpeedEvil | GPS is an integral part of the modem. |
| 15:49.11 | Necc | :| |
| 15:49.52 | Necc | cool... so disabling GPS drivers mean no data packet too? |
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| 15:52.13 | SpeedEvil | Necc: The only way to keep GPS 100% disabled is to keep the cellmo off. |
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| 15:53.06 | Necc | or if the components are open source, then re-compile and load a GPS-free version? |
| 15:53.28 | SpeedEvil | They aren't. |
| 15:53.33 | Necc | or it is not possible again or too much work to do? |
| 15:53.41 | SpeedEvil | The cellmo code is closed-source and signed - as I understand it. |
| 15:54.22 | Necc | well then it is screwed |
| 15:55.42 | Necc | or... install another OS witch do not has GPS? |
| 15:57.21 | SpeedEvil | You cannot install any other code on the cellmo if it's not signed. |
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| 16:00.16 | pitufio | ok... reasoning again: gelocalisation is made via GPS but also via the cellular network |
| 16:00.21 | Necc | then... it is indeed screwed |
| 16:00.22 | pitufio | As I need the cellular network |
| 16:00.54 | pitufio | , I cannot say "I don't want gps" |
| 16:01.03 | pitufio | which resolve one problem :D |
| 16:01.34 | SpeedEvil | You can do several things - recompile a kernel which does not include requisite modules. |
| 16:01.45 | SpeedEvil | Edit the init scripts so those services are not started. |
| 16:01.59 | pitufio | yup. That's what I'll do |
| 16:02.06 | SpeedEvil | Attempt to take down the services |
| 16:02.17 | Necc | or format C: |
| 16:02.28 | Necc | oh no sorry that's windows... |
| 16:02.35 | jaska | not that the cell network couldnt locate you anyway, albeit not at the same accuracy |
| 16:02.53 | pitufio | sure, but it leaks your geographic position, anyway |
| 16:03.13 | pitufio | and as I need the cell network, I have to cope with that |
| 16:03.24 | Necc | i still don't get why this "your loc is known" a problem |
| 16:05.15 | pitufio | Necc: I have to consider it as not a problem, as I have to use the cellular network, which leaks my position. |
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| 16:05.42 | pitufio | Necc: but you can think of several real-life examples where it could be a problem |
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| 16:07.39 | Necc | don't use facecrap and google and never upload personal informations to the net. solved. |
| 16:07.57 | kerio | >don't use the net |
| 16:08.30 | pitufio | Necc: you're missing some points there... :D |
| 16:09.48 | Necc | ok then tell me an exact example. |
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| 16:13.27 | pitufio | Necc: of what? positionning? |
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| 16:13.54 | pitufio | Necc: let's think of a guy that want to communicate some information to wikileaks |
| 16:14.03 | pitufio | Can you trust Tor? |
| 16:14.06 | pitufio | Answer: no |
| 16:14.28 | pitufio | (large number of nodes are not maintained by nice people) |
| 16:14.41 | pitufio | But well, this is quite OT... |
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| 16:16.19 | pitufio | Bye guys, has to eat. See you and thanks for your support |
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| 16:16.58 | Necc | use public netcaffe then... sigh |
| 16:17.01 | Necc | anyway i'm off |
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| 16:23.49 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, any ideas why I see my settings in the URL bar? (e.g use_full_screen_by_default=true) |
| 16:24.30 | timeless_mbp | afaik we never really figured out the cause |
| 16:24.41 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 16:25.02 | timeless_mbp | but basically there are two settings files |
| 16:25.09 | timeless_mbp | and we merged them in your browser instance |
| 16:25.18 | timeless_mbp | (typed history, settings) |
| 16:26.19 | kerio | hahaha |
| 16:26.46 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 16:32.28 | timeless_mbp | what do you mean |
| 16:32.36 | timeless_mbp | why did we never figure out why it happened? |
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| 16:33.28 | corecode | which micro-usb cables work for the n900? |
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| 16:34.51 | timeless_mbp | corecode: eh? |
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| 16:34.54 | SpeedEvil | any cable with a micro-b on the end |
| 16:34.54 | timeless_mbp | presumably any micro-usb cable... |
| 16:34.59 | corecode | i bought some from ebay |
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| 16:35.06 | corecode | and they don't work for charging |
| 16:35.19 | MohammadAG | short D+/- |
| 16:35.28 | corecode | eh? |
| 16:35.28 | SpeedEvil | http://shop.ebay.co.uk/i.html?_nkw=micro-b+usb&_sacat=0&_odkw=micro-b&_osacat=0&_trksid=p3286.c0.m270.l1313 |
| 16:35.35 | MohammadAG | won't work for data though |
| 16:35.39 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean they don't work for charging |
| 16:35.52 | corecode | it first says "Charging" |
| 16:35.59 | corecode | and some seconds later "Not charging" |
| 16:36.00 | timeless_mbp | what is it plugged into? |
| 16:36.05 | SpeedEvil | when you plug it into a host? |
| 16:36.09 | corecode | yes |
| 16:36.17 | timeless_mbp | tap on the item and select pc suite |
| 16:36.30 | timeless_mbp | and which version of the system software are you using? |
| 16:36.51 | corecode | 1.3 |
| 16:37.06 | corecode | now it appears to be chargin |
| 16:37.08 | corecode | ah no |
| 16:37.15 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 16:37.18 | timeless_mbp | what did you do? |
| 16:37.21 | corecode | then it says "Not charging: Insufficient power" |
| 16:37.25 | timeless_mbp | remember, we aren't spying on you |
| 16:37.33 | corecode | and immediatelly after that "Charging" |
| 16:37.35 | timeless_mbp | you have to *tell* us when you do things |
| 16:37.36 | corecode | now it stopped |
| 16:37.46 | corecode | i tapped pc suite |
| 16:37.58 | corecode | that was off a dell monitor |
| 16:38.05 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 16:38.16 | corecode | from the dell itself |
| 16:38.22 | corecode | it just says not charging |
| 16:38.34 | MohammadAG | hub |
| 16:38.35 | timeless_mbp | what os is the host running? |
| 16:38.42 | MohammadAG | probably won't provide enough power |
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| 16:38.58 | corecode | ubuntu |
| 16:39.04 | corecode | it works if i use the nokia cable |
| 16:39.54 | SpeedEvil | Is this an unusually long, skinny, or cheap cable? |
| 16:40.31 | timeless_mbp | (why would someone buy cables on ebay?) |
| 16:41.01 | SpeedEvil | buys lots of stuff on ebay. |
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| 16:47.13 | corecode | SpeedEvil: no, it looks exactly like the nokia cable |
| 16:47.59 | corecode | even has a fake nokia sticker |
| 16:48.00 | corecode | :/ |
| 16:48.23 | SpeedEvil | Do you own a DMM? |
| 16:48.28 | corecode | yes |
| 16:49.22 | corecode | i'm not sure how i could hook up to the pins tho |
| 16:49.44 | corecode | i don't have a micro usb receptacle |
| 16:50.02 | corecode | but i actually only want to buy a new cable |
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| 17:10.21 | MohammadAG | has anyone ever attempted to port thunderbird |
| 17:10.53 | RST38h | yes |
| 17:11.03 | MohammadAG | and? |
| 17:11.08 | RST38h | There was a thunderbird port that was, expectdly, too slow |
| 17:11.46 | corecode | i'm still stuck with my micro-usb cable problem |
| 17:11.48 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 17:12.08 | MohammadAG | RST38h, since you're here, which file of xchat's source is the channel view? |
| 17:12.25 | hue_ | why port something so big and resource-hungry as thunderbird when we have claws-mail? |
| 17:13.35 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Bad, bad answer to this good question |
| 17:14.36 | RST38h | MohammadAG: there is no single file. the whole thing is one huge custom gtk+ widget |
| 17:15.15 | corecode | last time i used claws was in 2002 or so |
| 17:15.32 | corecode | how does it work on maemo? |
| 17:15.40 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:15.51 | slonopotamus | corecode: in most terrible way it could |
| 17:16.18 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 17:16.22 | MohammadAG | impossible! |
| 17:16.35 | timeless_mbp | hue_: thunderbird has plugins |
| 17:16.36 | timeless_mbp | and probably a better set of backends |
| 17:16.36 | timeless_mbp | and probably better support |
| 17:16.36 | timeless_mbp | and probably a bigger userbase |
| 17:16.37 | MohammadAG | there must be some GtkScrolledView in there |
| 17:16.42 | timeless_mbp | but i use modest :) |
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| 17:17.15 | RST38h | Mohammad: afaik no |
| 17:17.17 | corecode | modest doesn't save sent mail to imap :/ |
| 17:17.25 | corecode | i'd like to add some sync job to it |
| 17:17.33 | corecode | but it is a callback jungle |
| 17:17.43 | hue_ | timeless_mbp: claws-mail does so.. bigger userbase is useless for me like a user, support is only for official and not ports.. |
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| 17:17.58 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 17:18.05 | timeless_mbp | larger communities can support ports too |
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| 17:18.13 | timeless_mbp | since usually problems aren't port specific |
| 17:18.22 | timeless_mbp | but if you want to be idiotic and assume all problems are port specific |
| 17:18.24 | timeless_mbp | be my guest |
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| 17:19.30 | timeless_mbp | no idea what "claws-mail does so" means btw |
| 17:19.37 | timeless_mbp | it's quite likely it has some extensions |
| 17:19.44 | MohammadAG | RST38h, i kinda doubt he recreated scrolling |
| 17:20.05 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: why not? |
| 17:20.07 | timeless_mbp | Qt does |
| 17:20.10 | timeless_mbp | every toolkit does :) |
| 17:20.15 | hue_ | claws-mail does so was reply for 1st message about plugins.. i'm not trying to be idiotic btw |
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| 17:21.55 | RST38h | MohammadAG: the thing is custom drawn afaik |
| 17:21.57 | DHermit | hi |
| 17:22.10 | RST38h | MohammadAG: where he gets the position for the scrolling is a different question though |
| 17:22.34 | RST38h | Hehe, the Hypnotoad is leading the tournament for the best Sochi 2014 mascot |
| 17:22.53 | DHermit | does anyone know if it's possible to pay with vodafone callya prepaid cards in ovi store? |
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| 17:25.32 | DHermit | i've asked nokia but they didn't answer my question |
| 17:25.57 | slonopotamus | happily compiles on n900 |
| 17:26.13 | RST38h | slono: but slowly? |
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| 17:31.25 | slonopotamus | RST38h: nope, why? 1.1ghz rocks |
| 17:31.54 | slonopotamus | RST38h: battery is a problem though :) |
| 17:34.05 | RST38h | slono: Swap would be the problem, I guess |
| 17:34.13 | RST38h | no matter what the cpu speed is |
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| 17:34.49 | slonopotamus | RST38h: it doesn't touch it :/ |
| 17:34.56 | RST38h | gcc? |
| 17:35.03 | slonopotamus | yep |
| 17:35.07 | slonopotamus | compiling C |
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| 17:36.43 | slonopotamus | RST38h: had to hack around with symlinks to avoid running out of space in rootfs :) |
| 17:36.49 | RST38h | slono: ehhehehe |
| 17:36.57 | RST38h | slono: /usr/include and/usr/lib on opt? |
| 17:38.02 | slonopotamus | not whole /usr/lib (i'm not sure maemo will survive that), just biggies from /usr/lib, /usr/share and whole /usr/include |
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| 17:38.18 | RST38h | Hmm, ok, CepiPerez has got pissed off as well, at the end |
| 17:38.24 | frank__ | what's the difference between the ovi store and the ovi repository in application manager? |
| 17:38.44 | timeless_mbp | frank__: one's a ui which in theory unlocks stuff for the other? |
| 17:38.49 | RST38h | Store is what sells you stuff |
| 17:38.55 | RST38h | Repository is where the stuff is stored |
| 17:39.12 | slonopotamus | frank__: you need to pay in former one :) |
| 17:39.35 | frank__ | there seems to be free applications in the store that aren't present in app manager though? |
| 17:40.04 | RST38h | And the Instinctiv people are pissed off as well. |
| 17:40.31 | RST38h | Are there any developers who are NOT pissed off at Nokia and Maemo by now??? |
| 17:41.09 | timeless_mbp | frank__: have you "bought" them? |
| 17:41.21 | frank__ | nope |
| 17:41.27 | timeless_mbp | buy one |
| 17:41.34 | timeless_mbp | in theory it'd "appear" |
| 17:41.40 | MohammadAG | frank__, you need to enable red pill mode |
| 17:41.40 | RST38h | The app manager will artifically block browsing of theovi repository |
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| 17:41.52 | RST38h | So, no, none of Ovi apps will appear there |
| 17:42.10 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: oh, we're that stupid? |
| 17:42.10 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 17:42.37 | frank__ | hmmm |
| 17:42.46 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: nokia has a number of contractors who were paid to work on maemo |
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| 17:43.01 | timeless_mbp | i'd imagine that to some extent the contractors were quite happy to take money from nokia for maemo :) |
| 17:43.09 | frank__ | so one purchases or downloads from the ovi store, and app manager uses the repository to keep them updated? |
| 17:43.12 | RST38h | timeless: Yes, you are THAT stupid,sorry |
| 17:43.29 | RST38h | timeless: And don't forget that you are basicvally going to let Harmattan device hang in vacuum |
| 17:43.45 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 17:43.56 | RST38h | (unless your marketing and devrelations make some incredible samersault between now and Harmattan release date) |
| 17:44.37 | RST38h | timeless: Harmattan is technically *not* Meego. It is basically Maemo, *but* Nokia does its best to discourage development for Maemo. |
| 17:44.42 | timeless_mbp | in theory we're going to actually _spend_ money on marketing this time around |
| 17:45.19 | RST38h | Will have to spend it on hiring snakes and pole dancers to work for your developers relations |
| 17:45.38 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: there was a guy whose writeup of meego conf sounds roughly like that :) |
| 17:45.51 | RST38h | Just to flex your way out of the current clusterfuck |
| 17:49.53 | timeless_mbp | nah, we're scheduling a new one of those |
| 17:49.57 | timeless_mbp | the current one isn't too important |
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| 17:51.07 | wmarone | is there any indications that Harmattan will even see the light of day? |
| 17:51.12 | wmarone | s/is/are |
| 17:51.14 | RST38h | Scheduling a new clusterfuck? |
| 17:51.20 | RST38h | Ok, cool |
| 17:51.22 | timeless_mbp | yes! |
| 17:51.24 | RST38h | gets some popcorn |
| 17:51.53 | timeless_mbp | be sure to order long lasting :) |
| 17:51.59 | RST38h | Renaming Harmattan to AmigaOS5 may do the trick |
| 17:52.12 | timeless_mbp | iirc AmigaOS5 is already taken |
| 17:52.16 | timeless_mbp | we might try 6 :) |
| 17:52.20 | RST38h | Ok. AmigaOS6. |
| 17:53.33 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: have you had time to watch all *6* episodes of Meego (TV show) |
| 17:55.23 | timeless_mbp | (a regular season of american tv programming has 13 episodes) |
| 17:56.38 | timeless_mbp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl0yyUFOyOU |
| 17:57.06 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I added kinetic scrolling to the userlist |
| 17:57.08 | MohammadAG | was piss easy :P |
| 17:57.32 | RST38h | timeless: I prefer this interpretation: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go |
| 17:57.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: Oh really???? |
| 17:57.47 | RST38h | tried that for weeks, lazily though |
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| 18:01.03 | user | Leakypug |
| 18:02.06 | MohammadAG | RST38h, http://i54.tinypic.com/a48swo.jpg |
| 18:02.09 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yH01tQaR8ak&NR=1 is pretty awful |
| 18:02.13 | timeless_mbp | i like it as an explanation |
| 18:02.49 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
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| 18:02.58 | timeless_mbp | the userlist is a disaster |
| 18:04.00 | RST38h | Mohammad: get rid of the scrollbar,who cares, once you have proper scrolling =) |
| 18:04.12 | RST38h | default settings do not have the userlist, so no problem |
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| 18:07.37 | timeless_mbp | hrm, |
| 18:07.50 | timeless_mbp | Meego Pilot Episode part 1 of 3 v. Viva Rock Vegas |
| 18:07.52 | timeless_mbp | Meego loses |
| 18:07.58 | timeless_mbp | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cL_8CmSJzvk&feature=related |
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| 18:08.10 | RST38h | Mohammad: Wait. It is only for the *userlist* |
| 18:08.17 | Ro9u3oR | Im looking into updates my N900 with the pr1.2 update and was wondering whats the easiest way of doing so |
| 18:08.35 | RST38h | Mohammad: Userlist is trivial, but kinda useless. How about adding it to the main view? =) |
| 18:10.00 | MohammadAG | RST38h, working on it :P |
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| 18:11.52 | chx | RST38h: Oh another Z80 fanatic. C9 |
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| 18:14.15 | corecode | so how do i know whether a cable is original nokia or not |
| 18:14.19 | corecode | on amazon or ebay |
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| 18:15.21 | MohammadAG | just buy it from Nokia |
| 18:16.18 | RST38h | does it matter? |
| 18:16.37 | corecode | RST38h: i just want one that works |
| 18:16.44 | corecode | MohammadAG: how? |
| 18:16.51 | RST38h | 99% of them do |
| 18:17.01 | corecode | well, then i got 2 which are in the 1% |
| 18:17.19 | corecode | and if you read reviews on amazon, plenty of them say that the cable doesn't charge |
| 18:17.41 | RST38h | You want a generic USB-to-micro-USB cable. |
| 18:17.46 | corecode | yes, yes |
| 18:17.47 | RST38h | RadioShack sells them. |
| 18:17.49 | corecode | one that works |
| 18:17.58 | RST38h | RadioShack sells ones that work |
| 18:17.59 | corecode | i'm not in the US |
| 18:18.02 | RST38h | ok |
| 18:18.16 | RST38h | Where are you> |
| 18:18.24 | corecode | and honestly, i don't want to shell out $20 for a non-original cable |
| 18:18.31 | corecode | if i can even find one |
| 18:18.40 | RST38h | That depends on where you are. |
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| 18:18.46 | corecode | i searched for one several months ago, and the stores didn't have them |
| 18:18.51 | corecode | that was in germany tho |
| 18:19.05 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:19.10 | RST38h | Any generic photography kiosk around these parts of the world will sell you one for $5..$10 |
| 18:19.13 | Macer | ze germans dont have such a thing? |
| 18:19.29 | corecode | Macer: i was surprised as well |
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| 18:19.39 | RST38h | corecode:Mediamarkt. |
| 18:19.52 | RST38h | (if you can stand garish purple colors) |
| 18:20.06 | corecode | back then the mediamarkt didn't have it :/ |
| 18:20.11 | corecode | oh well |
| 18:20.37 | RST38h | Ok. Have you got any cell phone places? |
| 18:20.40 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 18:20.45 | timeless_mbp | likes viva rock vegas |
| 18:21.01 | corecode | yea, i'm telling you: they want $20 for a cable |
| 18:21.03 | RST38h | Like...well... Tele2 or TMobile, or some generic shack selling phone accessories? |
| 18:22.12 | RST38h | corecode: Ok, the real cable will be in Nokia plastic packaging (with paper back), the microUSB side will be thick multi-part plug with "Nokia" engraved on one side |
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| 18:22.28 | corecode | RST38h: yea, i know |
| 18:22.36 | corecode | same for the fake ones i received :/ |
| 18:22.43 | RST38h | Mhm |
| 18:22.55 | RST38h | Ok. Have you ever considered that the problem is NOT the cable??? |
| 18:23.03 | corecode | i just wonder why this cable doesn't charge |
| 18:23.08 | corecode | yes, i considered that |
| 18:23.18 | RST38h | Good. Start from this thought. |
| 18:23.21 | corecode | but everything being the same, the nokia cable will charge |
| 18:23.27 | corecode | but the fake one won't |
| 18:23.35 | RST38h | Your cables, do they allow your N900 communicate with the computer? |
| 18:23.39 | corecode | yes |
| 18:24.23 | RST38h | Good. When N900 asks you to establish connection and you *cancel* the dialog (by clicking outside) does the phone begin showing charging status? |
| 18:24.39 | corecode | yes, for maybe 1-10 seconds |
| 18:24.44 | corecode | then shows "Not charging" |
| 18:24.51 | corecode | or "Not charging. Insufficient power" |
| 18:24.58 | corecode | depending on the port i hook it up to |
| 18:25.38 | RST38h | ahhaha |
| 18:25.50 | corecode | fun, i know. |
| 18:25.58 | RST38h | Good. Are you able to charge any other USB device by plugging it into the same USB port? |
| 18:26.01 | SpeedEvil | I bet on a nice simple answer. |
| 18:26.05 | RST38h | Yep |
| 18:26.08 | SpeedEvil | A shitty high-resistance cable. |
| 18:26.18 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: cute |
| 18:26.23 | corecode | RST38h: i don't have other micro-usb cables |
| 18:26.25 | RST38h | Nah, cables are probably the last to blame for this crap |
| 18:26.26 | corecode | SpeedEvil: that's my guess too |
| 18:26.29 | SpeedEvil | Which is borderline between not charging, and charging. |
| 18:26.48 | RST38h | corecode: Ok. Could you do this experiment |
| 18:26.49 | SpeedEvil | And theadditional resistance from the front cables does different stuff |
| 18:27.14 | RST38h | corecode: Find some *other* computer with USB ports, preferably one which is *known* to charge USB devices successfully |
| 18:27.17 | MohammadAG | RST38h, I see what you mean, it's an asshole (chanlist) |
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| 18:27.33 | RST38h | corecode: Try connecting N900 to that computer, see if it charges |
| 18:27.34 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: xchat's ui is a disaster :) |
| 18:27.37 | corecode | RST38h: i have the same problem with two machines |
| 18:27.47 | corecode | RST38h: and 2 more hubs |
| 18:27.48 | alterego | Cool, pyside-1.0 beta .. |
| 18:27.55 | RST38h | Mohammad: chanlist is actually going to be easy, it is the main text view that is a freaking disaster |
| 18:27.57 | timeless_mbp | corecode: hubs will generally *not* work |
| 18:27.58 | corecode | RST38h: nokia cable = works, fake cable = doesn't |
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| 18:28.02 | timeless_mbp | unless they're powered |
| 18:28.05 | RST38h | corecode: Hmm, ok |
| 18:28.07 | corecode | timeless_mbp: self-powered hubs won't work? |
| 18:28.09 | timeless_mbp | and your average hub isn't |
| 18:28.25 | corecode | mine are |
| 18:29.01 | RST38h | corecode: weird shit. |
| 18:29.08 | corecode | yea |
| 18:29.09 | corecode | right |
| 18:29.46 | corecode | SpeedEvil: you think the charge controller on the n900 checks the voltage levels and then stops drawing power when it detects that the drop is too large? |
| 18:29.50 | RST38h | corecode: Got any friends or relatives with Nokia 5800 or similar phones? They all come with the same cables |
| 18:30.08 | corecode | ah i could ask my office mate |
| 18:30.21 | RST38h | hardly believes one can screw up usb cable to the point of having too much resistance (!) to charge stuff |
| 18:30.22 | corecode | he got an htc or so |
| 18:30.48 | RST38h | corecode: try them, see if your friends are willing to part with them |
| 18:31.23 | RST38h | otherwise, you have only got a choice between cell phone outlet, digitsl photography store, and a trip to neighboring east-european country |
| 18:33.05 | trumee | Nokia discouraging app developers to develop for maemo, what a shame!!, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=890743&postcount=822 |
| 18:33.32 | RST38h | eh... |
| 18:33.38 | timeless_mbp | wow :( |
| 18:33.40 | wmarone | that's.... no big surprise |
| 18:33.45 | RST38h | as I said |
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| 18:35.26 | petteri | so whats the deal with free apps in the ovi store anyway. Is Nokia paying the development? |
| 18:37.53 | timeless_mbp | some apps have non free versions |
| 18:38.08 | timeless_mbp | iirc angry birds has a free base and a $ expansion |
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| 18:48.53 | luke-jr | afaik everything in Ovi is non-free |
| 18:49.34 | kerio | luke-jr: what about fennec |
| 18:49.52 | luke-jr | nfc |
| 18:50.01 | luke-jr | that's not in the normal app mgr? |
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| 19:06.32 | MohammadAG | what the fuck is nokia smoking exactly? it seems to be working nice |
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| 19:08.33 | wmarone | something laced, apparently |
| 19:09.16 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: ? |
| 19:09.51 | aquatix | hm, i notice mixed results with people synchronising their n900 with google through google exchange sync |
| 19:10.30 | aquatix | anyone has experience with it? |
| 19:10.54 | aquatix | we used to use nuevasync |
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| 19:13.42 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, makes sense for commercial devs to not invest time in a dead platform. |
| 19:14.02 | GAN900 | It's just too bad Nokia never gives their existing customers a reasonable migration path. |
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| 19:18.38 | RST38h | Hmm, Instinctiv's Peter does notappearto be very excitedabout Meego either =( |
| 19:19.15 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: initially most vendors only give big connections to a small set of groups |
| 19:19.35 | timeless_mbp | lower tiers tend to get smaller connections |
| 19:19.46 | RST38h | but it is supposed to be "open"! :) |
| 19:20.08 | timeless_mbp | ignoring nokia's special skills, its activity wrt future hardware platforms isn't unusual |
| 19:20.18 | corecode | will meego support some scripting? |
| 19:20.21 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: nokia has never claimed to produce open hardware |
| 19:20.35 | timeless_mbp | corecode: python or javascript via webkit... |
| 19:20.40 | timeless_mbp | suspects |
| 19:20.47 | corecode | i'm always appaled by having to write C code/plugins for maemo stuff |
| 19:20.50 | timeless_mbp | note that 'support' is a strange word |
| 19:20.51 | RST38h | But it [Meego] is cross-platform! |
| 19:20.52 | corecode | for example: libsharing |
| 19:21.06 | corecode | i'd like to post to imgur |
| 19:21.13 | RST38h | I.e. once Instinctiv writes it for Meego,it is supposed to work on every Meego! |
| 19:21.13 | corecode | but writing everything in C... |
| 19:21.15 | timeless_mbp | corecode: most os's don't actually have scripts as tierd 1 |
| 19:21.17 | corecode | beuh |
| 19:21.20 | timeless_mbp | s/tierd/tier/ |
| 19:21.29 | corecode | infobot: really? |
| 19:21.29 | infobot | REALLY! |
| 19:21.35 | corecode | infobot: ok. |
| 19:21.52 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: one platform has a 2x2 display |
| 19:21.59 | timeless_mbp | and another has a 10000000x100000 display |
| 19:22.12 | timeless_mbp | and instinctiv doesn't support displays smaller than 500000x500000 |
| 19:22.21 | timeless_mbp | then it won't work on the 2x2 display |
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| 19:22.35 | RST38h | claims his stuff will work on both displays |
| 19:22.37 | timeless_mbp | cross platform doesn't negate the need for testing |
| 19:22.51 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: i take it none of your stuff is graphical? :) |
| 19:22.53 | RST38h | 10000000x100000 will be kinda slow, indeed |
| 19:23.00 | RST38h | All my stuff is graphical |
| 19:23.10 | timeless_mbp | can't imagine anything working on a 2x2 display :) |
| 19:23.32 | MohammadAG | "Last week we spoke with Nokia. We were actively discouraged from developing for Maemo any further" |
| 19:23.37 | RST38h | This works on Windows, Linux, Symbian, Maemo, andMSDOS: http://fms.komkon.org/SlideRule/ |
| 19:23.43 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: until a product is launched, technical specs for it are generally considered secrets |
| 19:23.50 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=890743&postcount=822 |
| 19:24.00 | RST38h | It *will* work on2x2 display, although not guaranteed to be usable |
| 19:24.13 | MohammadAG | GAN900, it's not dead as long as 1) MeeGo is shit, 2) there is no alternative |
| 19:24.37 | RST38h | can guess Meego device's tech specs like a freaking oracle |
| 19:24.42 | wmarone | MohammadAG: qgil is on, you can pester him ;) |
| 19:24.48 | RST38h | 800x480 display, either 16bpp or 24bpp |
| 19:25.04 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: fwiw the specs have actually changed w/in the last couple of weeks |
| 19:25.11 | RST38h | *possibly* 842x480 or 1024x768 display (will be tablet then) |
| 19:25.19 | RST38h | These specs will not. |
| 19:25.29 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: seriously |
| 19:25.37 | RST38h | There are both common-sense and technicalreasons for that |
| 19:25.46 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: this is nokia we're talking about |
| 19:25.51 | timeless_mbp | where does common-sense come in? |
| 19:25.54 | RST38h | 1) There is a limited number of sources for these displays, nokia or not |
| 19:26.11 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: again, we try to be stupid |
| 19:26.17 | timeless_mbp | we had a great plan to be stupid |
| 19:26.23 | RST38h | 2) 2weeks before release, mechanics are already fixed, cannot change display all that much |
| 19:26.36 | timeless_mbp | RST38h: we've also changed mechanics |
| 19:26.42 | timeless_mbp | so please don't play oracle |
| 19:26.48 | RST38h | But not to accomodate so much bigger display |
| 19:26.49 | timeless_mbp | you're family quite impressively |
| 19:27.02 | timeless_mbp | oh, you got me, we won't ship a 100000000x100000000 display |
| 19:27.07 | RST38h | See? |
| 19:27.15 | RST38h | Won't even ship 1600x1200, I am sure |
| 19:27.20 | timeless_mbp | thinks 2x2 is still on the table |
| 19:27.24 | RST38h | Won'tship 320x240 either |
| 19:27.43 | timeless_mbp | aww |
| 19:27.55 | timeless_mbp | it'd be fun to run on older symbian style hardware :) |
| 19:28.06 | timeless_mbp | maemo was running on the n95... |
| 19:28.21 | RST38h | By the way, your hardware follies aside, there is an example of a platform where you cannot expect *any* fixed display size at *any* particular device. Guess which one. |
| 19:28.27 | timeless_mbp | which was 320x240 |
| 19:28.40 | RST38h | Original Symbian was 176x208. |
| 19:28.49 | RST38h | Or the double of that (352x416) |
| 19:29.13 | RST38h | 320x240 is a WinMo size, not hardcore oldskool Symbian |
| 19:29.37 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 19:29.46 | timeless_mbp | but realistically we aren't going to run on oldskool |
| 19:29.56 | timeless_mbp | but hypothetically outdated.... |
| 19:30.02 | RST38h | But anyways, willing to guess that really bad, evil platform?No fixed screen size? |
| 19:30.39 | jacekowski | linux |
| 19:30.41 | jacekowski | windows |
| 19:30.48 | jacekowski | any desktop platform |
| 19:30.49 | jacekowski | java ME |
| 19:31.25 | RST38h | Windows. |
| 19:31.45 | RST38h | And yes, my apps can handle that too, to a certain degree. |
| 19:32.15 | jacekowski | if somebody ties app to specific resolution he's braindead |
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| 19:32.29 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: have you ever met nokia before? |
| 19:32.30 | jacekowski | app should scale to whatever resolution is avaliable |
| 19:32.36 | timeless_mbp | can i interest you in Ovi Suite? |
| 19:32.51 | jacekowski | ovi suite is braindead |
| 19:33.01 | timeless_mbp | well, yes, there is that |
| 19:33.06 | timeless_mbp | but it's also fixed resolution |
| 19:33.17 | timeless_mbp | and doesn't really fit on my Ideapad w/ taskbar on right :) |
| 19:33.32 | jacekowski | because it's an example of poor design |
| 19:33.49 | RST38h | suggests a dead horse instead, those tend to be more interesting than Ovi Suite |
| 19:34.01 | jacekowski | on desktop you should work on 640x480 |
| 19:34.12 | jacekowski | as minimum resolution you can get |
| 19:34.20 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: actually |
| 19:34.20 | RST38h | Anyway, it does not matter how broken Nokia UIs are. Third parties do not have to repeat the same mistakes |
| 19:34.31 | timeless_mbp | desktops in portrait are shorter :) |
| 19:34.34 | timeless_mbp | c.f. ideapad |
| 19:34.50 | jacekowski | portrait is braindead |
| 19:34.56 | jacekowski | and you can rotate it |
| 19:35.33 | MohammadAG | wmarone, I'd rather not |
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| 19:38.03 | RST38h | Meanwhile, Google opens up its eBook shop/reader site |
| 19:38.09 | RST38h | Anyone knows the mobile URL for that? |
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| 19:40.08 | lingling | hi, a question: when i try to delete flashblock with "apt-get remove flashblock" it says "E. Couldn't find package flashblock"... what do I wrong? |
| 19:40.31 | timeless_mbp | lingling: dpkg -l *flashblock* ? |
| 19:41.12 | timeless_mbp | |cat |
| 19:41.23 | timeless_mbp | (since your screen will probably trigger truncation...) |
| 19:41.35 | lingling | no packages found matching... |
| 19:41.54 | timeless_mbp | how did you install it? |
| 19:41.57 | erstazi | dpkg -l | grep flashblock |
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| 19:42.04 | erstazi | lingling: ^ |
| 19:42.06 | timeless_mbp | was this into fennec? |
| 19:42.17 | timeless_mbp | if so, you probably just use its addons manager... |
| 19:42.20 | corecode | is there an easy way to type "|"? |
| 19:42.45 | timeless_mbp | on my keyboard it's blue-GBP |
| 19:42.54 | timeless_mbp | since someone helpfully remapped GBP as PIPE :) |
| 19:43.36 | corecode | how? |
| 19:44.06 | timeless_mbp | anyway, the hard way is blue-SYM |
| 19:44.12 | timeless_mbp | iirc it's there |
| 19:44.14 | corecode | yea |
| 19:44.20 | timeless_mbp | or you can collapse the keyboard and use the vkb |
| 19:44.25 | corecode | that's not as easy |
| 19:44.31 | corecode | how did you remap? |
| 19:44.38 | timeless_mbp | i have the hebrew key layout installd |
| 19:44.46 | timeless_mbp | and afaiu that's what's changing my layout |
| 19:44.52 | corecode | aha |
| 19:44.54 | timeless_mbp | (but i'm not really certain) |
| 19:45.10 | corecode | :/ |
| 19:45.11 | timeless_mbp | you lose blue-SYM (only downside) |
| 19:45.13 | timeless_mbp | try it |
| 19:45.25 | corecode | eh what? |
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| 19:49.30 | timeless_mbp | the layout? |
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| 20:16.33 | erstazi | Has anyone tried Sygic? |
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| 20:21.15 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:21.17 | jacekowski | it's crap |
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| 20:21.21 | jacekowski | but it's only option |
| 20:21.57 | timeless_mbp | wasn't there an opened source mapping app? |
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| 20:22.44 | erstazi | timeless_mbp: there are but they are not standalone |
| 20:23.04 | timeless_mbp | "standalone"? |
| 20:23.15 | erstazi | If Data plans in the US were not so horrible,⦠it would make sense to use a non-standalone application |
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| 20:23.25 | timeless_mbp | wayfinder is the one i'm thinking of |
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| 20:23.52 | erstazi | timeless_mbp: sygic gives you all the maps,⦠so you only have to use GPS and no net connection |
| 20:24.02 | erstazi | timeless_mbp: that is the definition of "standalone" in this case |
| 20:24.37 | timeless_mbp | wayfinder doesn't let you do that? |
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| 20:26.17 | RST38h | any gps-using app on the n900 will have ot access the networkto get positioning assistance and hence cannot be called fully standalone |
| 20:26.42 | erstazi | RST38h: sygic doesn't need network access. |
| 20:27.03 | RST38h | it does, to get the position |
| 20:27.28 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 20:27.39 | RST38h | reHI javispedro |
| 20:27.57 | ShadowJK | You can deny internet access and wait a bit longer :-) |
| 20:27.57 | javispedro | a sane N900 can cold start without any connectivity, or at least my N900 can :) |
| 20:28.10 | erstazi | RST38h: http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools#Stand-alone << then this is wrong? |
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| 20:30.38 | RST38h | Robert X. Cringley warns WikiLeaks could launch Web War III! |
| 20:31.44 | javispedro | builds home facebook bunker |
| 20:32.28 | erstazi | what if the world governments take down wikileaks and the key to the encrypted file was wrong? |
| 20:33.08 | ShadowJK | GPS Fix, without network access, in 2 minutes 15 seconds, indoors :-) |
| 20:33.26 | RST38h | incredible |
| 20:33.39 | javispedro | ShadowJK: I concur (reproduced on ireland, where data was a nogo) |
| 20:33.44 | RST38h | *or* the Pentagon is keeping way more GPS sats than necessary above .FI |
| 20:33.58 | erstazi | haha |
| 20:33.59 | RST38h | ShadowJK: I am sure they are doing it to track *you*!!! =) |
| 20:34.28 | RST38h | 5-10 minutes to a fix here |
| 20:34.29 | nox- | RST38h, gps sats arent geostationary... :) |
| 20:34.35 | ShadowJK | it's seeing: 15%, 80%, 70%, 15%, 100%, 48% |
| 20:34.58 | ShadowJK | (gpsjinni) |
| 20:35.04 | erstazi | I mean, if I had constant "3G" connection where ever I travelled and an unlimited plan only cost 15⬠here in the US, then I wouldn't mind having network always on when needing the GPS. |
| 20:35.22 | RST38h | we have got that |
| 20:35.51 | ShadowJK | Their new constellation 2010 or was it constellation 2011 is going to reduce coverage over .fi |
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| 20:35.52 | erstazi | in the US? there is not consistent reliable network connection here |
| 20:36.05 | erstazi | 3g across the country is a joke. |
| 20:36.25 | RST38h | we all know that by now |
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| 20:36.56 | RST38h | will you now complain about greedy telcos and their 2-year indenture plans? |
| 20:37.20 | erstazi | RST38h: no 2 year plan here (: |
| 20:37.51 | kasansweat | New USA n900 owner here: I d/led the Ovi Mobile Maps 10, and have seen all kinds of conflicting info about downloading the actual maps? What's the most current info? |
| 20:38.14 | javispedro | "Ovi Maps 10"? Prepare to be disappointed. |
| 20:38.48 | erstazi | timeless_mbp: thanks for the note about wayfinder. |
| 20:38.50 | Macer | haha |
| 20:38.51 | RST38h | he probably means Sygic |
| 20:39.02 | javispedro | hope so. |
| 20:39.10 | Macer | ovimaps sucks in general... google maps was far superior imo |
| 20:39.13 | kasansweat | yep, Sygic -- whats the deal on that? |
| 20:39.15 | ShadowJK | When I bought sygic they gave me the map download link too |
| 20:39.46 | Macer | google nav is the best i've used so far minus an actual gps |
| 20:40.01 | ShadowJK | google's maps are a bit incomplete around here :/ |
| 20:40.08 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: where are you? |
| 20:40.25 | ShadowJK | and ovi maps is overcomplete, it once suggested I should walk across the river on a tree that had fallen over the river :D |
| 20:40.36 | merlin_1991 | last week google maps routing suggested a street for me that doesn't exist at all |
| 20:40.42 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, .fi.. |
| 20:40.50 | kasansweat | haha, ah well, I own a separate GPS, was just curious. I'd still like to try it out tho. |
| 20:41.03 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: um, you've got "forest", and "lake" |
| 20:41.06 | timeless_mbp | stay off both |
| 20:41.07 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 20:41.18 | kasansweat | so you have to pay for Sygic? I didn't do that |
| 20:41.25 | kasansweat | (and perhaps I won't) |
| 20:41.27 | ShadowJK | kasansweat, you probably don't get the maps then? |
| 20:41.47 | kasansweat | Correct, app and no maps |
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| 20:43.20 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, hm, I wonder if ovi maps knows about the part of the local river that's rockbed and shallow enough certain times of year to cross by vehicle :-) |
| 20:43.26 | javispedro | notes that trying to use a epson printer with cups BEFORE installing gutenprint results in silent failure. No error message on logs even with verbose log level. |
| 20:43.27 | ShadowJK | (and roads leading up to both sides) |
| 20:43.29 | kasansweat | So, as I understand it -- you *do* have to pay for Sygic maps -- and they're not that good? |
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| 20:43.52 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: grr |
| 20:44.45 | ShadowJK | I don't remember which of the two dataproviders sygic uses for maemo SMM10.. |
| 20:45.53 | javispedro | they shop both providers? wow |
| 20:45.56 | erstazi | too bad there isn't Ovi Suite for linux ): I mean, yeah one can use virtualization but it isn't native. |
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| 20:46.45 | ShadowJK | javispedro, iirc they use the one for everything except maemo smm, and the other for every other version |
| 20:47.10 | javispedro | lols at the "special customer treatment" for maemo users, as evidenced by http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/compatible-devices.html |
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| 20:47.29 | javispedro | search for the n900 foot note |
| 20:47.39 | erstazi | haha javispedro |
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| 20:48.44 | javispedro | hum... â¬50 for europe? doesn't sound awful. |
| 20:49.02 | ShadowJK | Yeah, tomtom wanted â¬50 just for Scandinavia, iirc :/ |
| 20:49.16 | javispedro | paid more for navicore.... in time to get 2008 upgrade and witness the slow death of wayfinder |
| 20:49.21 | jacekowski | i paid £100 for tomtom with full eu map |
| 20:49.45 | ke^ | im trying to get this http://fuuko.libferris.com/maemo/n900/repository/ running under my n900. well my software wont accept the path of it |
| 20:49.48 | jacekowski | Now Playing: Katy Perry - Teenage Dream |
| 20:50.09 | erstazi | javispedro: 20⬠for north america |
| 20:50.16 | ke^ | but tries to add default "components" and "distribution values which are missing |
| 20:50.41 | erstazi | ke^: ./ should work |
| 20:50.50 | ke^ | lets see |
| 20:51.00 | ke^ | distribution value ./ ? |
| 20:51.23 | erstazi | yes |
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| 20:51.46 | ke^ | yep it worked. ty |
| 20:52.02 | javispedro | erstazi: at least in .es I'm already used to being ripped off by expensive cartography |
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| 20:52.44 | erstazi | yuck |
| 20:52.54 | kasansweat | ha, the n900 foot note says contact them? what do you think they tell people? weird |
| 20:53.34 | javispedro | remembers the first metroguide... it did not even have 100% of major roads, but that did not stop garmin from applying their usual prohibitive price (+$100) |
| 20:54.02 | ShadowJK | They brought out a new version, and emailed upgrade instructions to everyone. However, people seem to not be able to read emails, and where whining they didn't get upgrade instructions. I suspect it has something to do with that |
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| 20:55.16 | RST38h | http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM |
| 20:56.13 | ShadowJK | The Ovi Store version is more castrated, Ovi didn't allow fullscreen and many other features :-) |
| 20:56.37 | javispedro | ah, Nokia applying their usual suicidal marketing strategies |
| 20:56.38 | ShadowJK | Like multitasking :D |
| 20:57.21 | RST38h | javispedro: looks like freaking sabotage |
| 20:58.12 | ShadowJK | Sygic Maps + FMTX is pretty awesome. The music from media player pauses and sygic's voice guide tells you to make a turn, and then the music resumes :) |
| 20:58.14 | javispedro | insanely long approval times -- check. stupid policies -- check. |
| 20:58.43 | javispedro | ShadowJK: thank libplayback ;) |
| 20:59.04 | ShadowJK | Well, people don't know about ctrl-backspace, and then there's probably a policy forbidding apps from using the gps in the background |
| 20:59.25 | ShadowJK | Unfortunately there's no policy against that shake-and-surf thing that eats batteries for lunch |
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| 21:01.01 | alterego | I doubt that has anything to do with fmtx |
| 21:01.14 | alterego | That's sygic playing nice with mafw I'd imagine. |
| 21:01.21 | javispedro | or libplayback |
| 21:03.17 | javispedro | aha |
| 21:03.20 | javispedro | http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/maps.html |
| 21:03.28 | javispedro | maemo - navteq; rest - teleatlas |
| 21:03.59 | ShadowJK | :-) |
| 21:04.01 | erstazi | interesting |
| 21:04.05 | javispedro | considering Navteq is the Nokia-owned one, I wonder if this means they get their source data at a reduced rate |
| 21:04.39 | javispedro | ... some kind of discount for being the only routing app for maemo. |
| 21:04.43 | ShadowJK | Well.. Nokia itself said it itself gets no preferrential treatment from navteq (yeah right lol) |
| 21:05.28 | javispedro | might explain the â¬50 price. |
| 21:05.42 | javispedro | or not, as iphone is $75 which is pretty similar |
| 21:06.51 | javispedro | btw, their server (sygic.com) is clearly missing mod_rewrite... fugly urls. |
| 21:06.54 | chx | if you own sygic, does it have public transit planning? |
| 21:07.52 | javispedro | chx: additional â¬19 per country, seemingly |
| 21:08.14 | chx | javispedro: where do you see that |
| 21:08.24 | javispedro | http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html, search for "Real-Time Traffic" |
| 21:08.28 | chx | javispedro: I emailed sygic and they have answered the most useless way |
| 21:08.38 | chx | real time traffic is for cars |
| 21:08.39 | javispedro | ah |
| 21:08.45 | chx | that's not public transit |
| 21:08.50 | javispedro | sorry misread your question |
| 21:08.52 | javispedro | =) |
| 21:09.12 | chx | i am perfectly willing to shell out , if necessary, hundreds of dollars for any gizmo that gives me offline public transit planning |
| 21:09.24 | javispedro | you tried Métro under garnetVM? |
| 21:09.28 | chx | gizmo or software |
| 21:09.38 | chx | javispedro: url? |
| 21:09.46 | javispedro | http://www.nanika.net/metro/ |
| 21:09.48 | chx | http://www.nanika.net/metro/ this? |
| 21:09.55 | javispedro | it is actually the 2th reason I keep Garnet around... |
| 21:09.58 | javispedro | *nd |
| 21:10.27 | javispedro | it does not integrate with a gps at all, though |
| 21:11.27 | chx | http://www.nanika.net/metro/ |
| 21:11.29 | chx | opsie |
| 21:11.38 | chx | the way it reads, you need to enter stations? |
| 21:11.45 | chx | and yeah no gps |
| 21:11.50 | javispedro | yep |
| 21:12.11 | chx | what i would die for is to be able to click " I am here. I want to go address X. Tell me how. " |
| 21:12.28 | chx | that's what i call a public transit route planner :) |
| 21:12.43 | javispedro | it's a hybrid one then |
| 21:13.34 | javispedro | with Métro you're able t say "I'm on station X; I'd like to go station Y.". It will use whichever line is shortest. |
| 21:13.53 | javispedro | it also has POIs (attached to stations) so it works well for tourism |
| 21:14.05 | chx | hrm, been a time since i researched it, apparently http://www.garmin.com/garmin/cms/us/maps/cityxplorer this feature is now available on a few garmin devices |
| 21:14.23 | chx | dials santa |
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| 21:16.26 | javispedro | â¬10 PER CITY?? |
| 21:16.34 | javispedro | garmin indeed. |
| 21:16.52 | chx | hm and this series is usb powered |
| 21:17.08 | chx | i have a 10000 mah battery for that already |
| 21:17.19 | chx | for sure it powers the device for a "few" extra hours. |
| 21:17.38 | chx | wait, 10 EUR per city????? |
| 21:17.43 | chx | holy batman |
| 21:18.08 | chx | 'cos the 1200 is a mere $90 new |
| 21:18.36 | MohammadAG | XChat for Windows looks like shit |
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| 21:21.27 | kasansweat | So the sygic maps still must be paid for in the US? |
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| 21:21.55 | javispedro | yes. |
| 21:22.11 | javispedro | http://www.sygic.com/index.php/en/how-to-buy.html |
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| 21:24.00 | ke^ | littlebit too expensive |
| 21:24.06 | ke^ | some price down and id buy |
| 21:24.08 | javispedro | â¬20 expensive? |
| 21:24.15 | ke^ | reads 40 ⬠|
| 21:24.22 | kasansweat | Well, yeah, probably not gonna happen since I have a tomtom already. |
| 21:24.28 | ke^ | oh nordics is 20 |
| 21:24.28 | kasansweat | thanks for the info |
| 21:24.34 | ke^ | whole europe is 40 |
| 21:24.36 | ke^ | ya |
| 21:24.40 | ke^ | i think about it |
| 21:24.47 | javispedro | single country (or US) is â¬20 |
| 21:25.06 | ke^ | cause the interface allready seems very fast. |
| 21:28.23 | MohammadAG | is it me, or is the Nexus S a bit underpowered? |
| 21:28.42 | javispedro | isn't it just a repackaged galaxy s (at least according to slashdot)? |
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| 21:29.28 | alterego | S sounds like a budget model anyway |
| 21:30.40 | dominikb | is it possible to prevent a connection pop up when trying to open a connection? i tried setting the ConnectInBackground property on QtNetworkSession but it failed. any ideas? |
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| 21:43.15 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, especially since Qualcomm's 1GHz is a little weak. |
| 21:44.07 | MohammadAG | thought it was a cortex A8, at least that's what enagadget said |
| 21:44.32 | GAN900 | Yeah, but only sort of. |
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| 22:15.21 | MohammadAG | who's used HildonPannableArea before? |
| 22:15.40 | timeless_mbp | grr |
| 22:15.59 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: what would cause '[windows explorer] unzip' to fail to run to completion? :( |
| 22:16.12 | MohammadAG | http://i55.tinypic.com/2wm0uww.jpg is stuck to the first one, what's the signal emitted by the list when a list item is clicked? |
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| 22:26.44 | MohammadAG | sighs at http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=891014&postcount=35 |
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| 22:28.57 | timeless_mbp | curses |
| 22:29.03 | timeless_mbp | something is *eating* my directories |
| 22:29.19 | PhonicUK | om nom nom |
| 22:29.21 | marmoute | timeless_mbp: you forget to lunch again ! |
| 22:29.50 | timeless_mbp | marmoute: i haven't lit candles, which i should do nowish |
| 22:30.01 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, today was a holiday so i skipped the lunch thing |
| 22:30.10 | timeless_mbp | finnish independence day |
| 22:30.16 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 22:30.29 | timeless_mbp | ok, so what the heck would be able to eat my directories? |
| 22:30.44 | marmoute | Hungry moos |
| 22:32.15 | alterego | Anyone here have an XBox 360? |
| 22:32.32 | MohammadAG | yeah, 100km away from me though :P |
| 22:32.41 | MohammadAG | I doubt the ir port will respond |
| 22:32.50 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:33.07 | alterego | I'm releasing this into extras tomorrow, it's a standalone XBox 360 media remote: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101206-222937.png |
| 22:33.43 | MohammadAG | license of the Xbox logo is? :P |
| 22:34.17 | alterego | Doesn't matter, that logo was taken from someone else, who drew it themselves who said it can be used for anything :P |
| 22:34.28 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 22:35.43 | SpeedEvil | That's not really true. |
| 22:35.51 | alterego | This one is with OpenGL rendering: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101206-223447.png |
| 22:36.03 | alterego | The gradient is better but the lines aren't well antialiased. |
| 22:36.21 | SpeedEvil | If you draw a large yellow M, and use it as a logo for your fast food resturant - you will rapidly discover things about visual copyright |
| 22:36.23 | MohammadAG | thinks he picked up trolling |
| 22:36.34 | alterego | Heh |
| 22:36.49 | alterego | SpeedEvil: that would depend on the M |
| 22:36.53 | MohammadAG | can't you only use OpenGL rendering for the logo? :P |
| 22:37.30 | alterego | Actually, OpenGL just renders the gradients better. |
| 22:37.47 | alterego | Because it seems to allow for a higher colour range. |
| 22:40.11 | DocScrutinizer | mooougt |
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| 22:46.44 | trumee | Robot101: ping |
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| 22:51.41 | MohammadAG | alterego, do you know if Qt can do window overlays on Maemo? |
| 22:56.32 | DocScrutinizer | throws 20 books dealing with McD at MohammadAG |
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| 22:58.11 | DocScrutinizer | did you know the M is designed to address our mammal instincts? |
| 22:58.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: how do you mean? |
| 22:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | at least some egghead claims that |
| 22:58.57 | MohammadAG | alterego, like a toolbar, thinking of doing something 5800-esque |
| 22:59.04 | alterego | Overlays over GL contexts or framebuffer images? |
| 22:59.19 | alterego | Got an example screen shot? |
| 22:59.24 | alterego | Not sure what you mean. ;) |
| 22:59.38 | alterego | But I'm sure whatever it is it's possible, if anything can do it Qt Gui can :D |
| 23:00.55 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 23:01.03 | MohammadAG | QWidget::setWindowFlags(Qt::ToolTip | Qt::WindowStaysOnTopHint); might do it |
| 23:01.04 | DocScrutinizer | s/do/spoil/ |
| 23:01.07 | MohammadAG | sure, sec |
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| 23:01.55 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3233/3011285180_96069ba9cf.jpg |
| 23:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly.. For Qt we got this super duper KDE, and... what else? Any cross platform killer app based on Qt? |
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| 23:04.40 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: autodesk, google earth, photoshop album (adobe), skype, vlc... |
| 23:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | ...just out of curiosity. Not saying Qtmobile will never bring benefit to anything but meego |
| 23:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | gogle earth?? o.O |
| 23:05.22 | BCMM | crashanddie_: does windows skype use qt? |
| 23:05.30 | crashanddie_ | no idea |
| 23:05.43 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: yeah, if it looks horribly non-native that's because it ships with it's own ugly copy |
| 23:05.57 | BCMM | but it is possible to fix that and have it use your system's qt libs, and theming |
| 23:06.33 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: And Symbian, but I think it's transitional, a lot will probably get put directly into Qt 4.8 |
| 23:07.01 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Software_that_uses_Qt |
| 23:07.19 | DocScrutinizer | I was simply wondering if I ever seen any Qt widget outside of KDE |
| 23:07.22 | timeless_mbp | gets sdl to build |
| 23:07.28 | alterego | MohammadAG: you should be able to do that, but where would it go? |
| 23:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | (and maemo/meego of course :-P) |
| 23:07.34 | alterego | What displays? |
| 23:07.59 | timeless_mbp | virtualbox's main ui is qt based |
| 23:08.04 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: well, quite a few companies use it too. |
| 23:08.07 | timeless_mbp | nokia ovisuite is qt based |
| 23:08.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, the 5800 has a button, the N900 has a proximity sensor |
| 23:08.29 | crashanddie_ | we use Python/Qt for our internal fat clients |
| 23:08.31 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, a windows app |
| 23:08.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: Oh, like a quick launcher bar? |
| 23:08.58 | crashanddie_ | usually as proof of concept, or ready-made tool for a few people |
| 23:09.00 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: hypothetically it could be an os x app |
| 23:09.18 | crashanddie_ | when the PoC has been accepted, we go for C++/Qt or C++/Win32 |
| 23:09.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, yep, look at the icons in the pic |
| 23:09.31 | timeless_mbp | (the fact that it's Qt based can be seen by looking at the library list) |
| 23:09.38 | timeless_mbp | (i.e. not a secret) |
| 23:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, but i've never heard of nokia ovisuite for OSx |
| 23:09.50 | BCMM | http://ompldr.org/vNmdldQ for an example of google earth looking a bit less like Windows 2000 |
| 23:09.50 | MohammadAG | customizable quick launch might be a better idea |
| 23:09.53 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: there isn't one shipping today afaik |
| 23:10.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: yeah, that's quite cool. |
| 23:10.10 | timeless_mbp | however, shipping one would be a good thing from some perspective |
| 23:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I never heard of any Nokia ovisuite |
| 23:10.35 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: new name for pc suite |
| 23:10.37 | timeless_mbp | http://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.techbetas.com/wp-content/uploads/picx/nokia_ovi_suite.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.techbetas.com/communications/telephony/nokia-ovi-suite/&usg=__m2iNr0wS93AUOIhZ8dQGjApZOaE=&h=338&w=600&sz=177&hl=en&start=0&zoom=1&tbnid=PN18Fm-b1tH4gM:&tbnh=103&tbnw=182&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dnokia%2Bovi%2Bsuite%26um%3D1%26hl%3Den%26client%3Dsafari%26sa%3DN%26rls%3Den%26biw%3D1359%26bih%3D809%26tbs%3Disch:1&um=1&itbs= |
| 23:10.37 | timeless_mbp | =rc&dur=396&ei=Y239TJyCLoqb8QPlr83lBg&oei=Y239TJyCLoqb8QPlr83lBg&esq=1&page=1&ndsp=24&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0&tx=91&ty=67 |
| 23:10.46 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: count yourself lucky |
| 23:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | sitting here, waiting for coffee to kick in and meanwhile messing up ovisuite and pcsuite |
| 23:10.55 | alterego | That is an awful link |
| 23:11.04 | MohammadAG | ffs my laptop is too fast |
| 23:11.06 | timeless_mbp | alterego: thanks |
| 23:11.09 | timeless_mbp | blames googl |
| 23:11.32 | alterego | timeless_mbp: never heard of tinyurl? :P |
| 23:11.46 | timeless_mbp | alterego: i naively assume all urls are tiny :) |
| 23:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | hands daily WTF medal to timeless_mbp |
| 23:11.52 | timeless_mbp | safari doesn't show me urls |
| 23:11.53 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:12.18 | alterego | MohammadAG: gonna import that 360 media remote tomorrow. |
| 23:12.32 | alterego | into -devel |
| 23:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | tries to c&p merge the above link |
| 23:12.44 | BCMM | Safari doesn't show me web pages. |
| 23:13.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, I think google does that to count references or something similar |
| 23:13.22 | alterego | Anyhow, bedtime now. |
| 23:13.27 | alterego | g'night folks |
| 23:13.48 | MohammadAG | night alterego :) |
| 23:15.20 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: how many #ifdef <platform>; statements are in that source? If you happen to know... |
| 23:15.31 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: never seen or found the source |
| 23:15.54 | timeless_mbp | and yes, i was looking |
| 23:16.04 | timeless_mbp | but not for mac |
| 23:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: o/ |
| 23:16.10 | timeless_mbp | i was looking because it hung on windows |
| 23:17.22 | timeless_mbp | i'm still working on tracking down the hang |
| 23:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how far you got with building an alternative pk, "THE *good* pk"? |
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| 23:29.29 | Munkiii | can somebody help me, firstly by telling me where internet radio files are stored? |
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| 23:32.34 | Munkiii | nobody knows? |
| 23:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | what is a "internet radio file"? |
| 23:41.58 | ShadowJK | I think he wants to know where internet radio bookmarks are stored |
| 23:42.07 | DocScrutinizer | hm, me too |
| 23:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | I even suppose that's related to mediaplayer |
| 23:42.51 | alterego | Not sure how I can handle lircd.conf in a nice way. |
| 23:43.09 | alterego | wonders what qtirreco/irreco does |
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| 23:43.14 | MohammadAG | stab it, then go to bed |
| 23:43.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: talk gentle and polite to it |
| 23:43.27 | alterego | A lircd.conf.d would be nice |
| 23:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: a mce-ini.d would also be nice |
| 23:44.27 | javispedro | that would be uber-easy, just needs agreement from all m.o application uploaders |
| 23:44.39 | alterego | javispedro: indeed. |
| 23:44.51 | alterego | And how would we go about this? ;) |
| 23:45.04 | javispedro | Spam the -devel mailing list, tmo, and this channel. |
| 23:45.09 | alterego | I could upload a new lirc package with .d support |
| 23:45.31 | alterego | And then tell everyone about it, yeah :) |
| 23:45.37 | javispedro | there are a few candidates that might be more interesting though |
| 23:45.50 | alterego | How do you mean? |
| 23:46.42 | alterego | What I'd prefer is a lircd replacement. Something that allows you to upload your own configuration when you startup and forgets it when you disconnect. |
| 23:46.44 | javispedro | I cannot recall any such file atm but I'm sure some packager here will be able to: any config file owned by a base image package that you change at the posinst? |
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| 23:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's wring with >>include "/home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/50PG6000"<< in /etc/lircd.conf - except it gets a new line for every foobar |
| 23:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | (a bug in irreco) |
| 23:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | wrong* |
| 23:47.42 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if that works with wildcards ;) |
| 23:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 23:48.19 | DocScrutinizer | no idea really. Check lirc source |
| 23:48.28 | alterego | Okay, so that's how irreco does it, uses include, cool. |
| 23:49.14 | alterego | I think I'd still like to write a lirc replacement, for just sending, a lightweight framework of some kind. |
| 23:49.27 | javispedro | /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list |
| 23:49.27 | javispedro | is one such file |
| 23:49.45 | javispedro | that really needs people agreeing to use a .d dir |
| 23:49.58 | javispedro | because Nokia is not going to fix it.. |
| 23:50.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: still on your crusade to replace existing packets because of "Meh, NIH. And cba to read if the old package supports what I need"? |
| 23:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: well, you're in good company. That's how PA was born |
| 23:51.40 | alterego | Hahah, |
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| 23:52.11 | Robot101 | trumee: pong |
| 23:52.12 | alterego | lirc is kind of ugly |
| 23:52.18 | alterego | imo |
| 23:53.04 | alterego | It does mostly what I need, but what if someone steps on my toes, and I don't want to have to walk around others' feet either. |
| 23:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | linux is kind of ugly. I'm looking forward for your alternative you'll come up with undoubtedly, in a few weeks |
| 23:53.46 | alterego | What's ugly about Linux? |
| 23:54.04 | javispedro | it's monolithic for a start |
| 23:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | err, lirc. No? For example |
| 23:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | SysV init |
| 23:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | err upstart |
| 23:54.35 | alterego | Heh |
| 23:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | kernel modules |
| 23:54.39 | javispedro | esound! |
| 23:55.09 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you can come up with a beautiful alternative to all that, in no time |
| 23:55.39 | javispedro | goes check how's the Linux Unified Kernel going |
| 23:55.46 | DocScrutinizer | maybe call it aldroid then |
| 23:57.00 | javispedro | lol deletionpedia |
| 23:57.08 | alterego | Not really, be practical .. |
| 23:57.26 | javispedro | an article gets nomination to be deleted. eventually it is all discovered to be a fraud (the nomineer was a sockpuppet account for a _banned_ user) |
| 23:57.36 | javispedro | yet the result of the votation = delete |
| 23:57.40 | javispedro | so the article gets deleted. |
| 23:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | </sarcasm></shouting-prewarmup> |
| 23:58.25 | alterego | I don't mind writing something smaller, but cleaner towards my requirements when the currently available infrastructure is likely to cause failures for all users' |
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| 23:58.48 | alterego | I want to distribute a single remote as an app. |
| 23:58.57 | javispedro | hmm |
| 23:59.00 | javispedro | there's an app like that already |
| 23:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I question your competence to decide on the "for all users" part here |
| 23:59.18 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: question what you want. |
| 23:59.21 | javispedro | iirc it was about some still camera remote |
| 23:59.27 | alterego | It's my decision. |
| 23:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:59.46 | alterego | And I don't give a toss if you don't agree with me. |
| 23:59.51 | DocScrutinizer | do whatever you like. It's your karma |
