| 00:01.04 | GAN900 | is freezing and it's 13°C |
| 00:01.23 | GAN900 | Dublin aclimation lasted about 48 hours. |
| 00:02.15 | range | Thermometer in the car showed -16°C around Munich. |
| 00:02.31 | range | -10°C in Munich. |
| 00:03.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes |
| 00:03.28 | range | Nice one :) |
| 00:03.58 | MohammadAG | at least you guys have snow |
| 00:04.05 | MohammadAG | grins |
| 00:04.12 | range | Shows -17 here. Probably around the airport. |
| 00:05.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: yeah, a mega fire would be worse |
| 00:05.56 | CableTwitch | Whats !C when its at home? |
| 00:07.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | Error: does not compute |
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| 00:10.33 | Termana | morning |
| 00:13.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | morning |
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| 00:45.46 | b-man` | DocScrutinizer51: that an epic weather site :D |
| 00:45.51 | b-man` | *tahts |
| 00:46.19 | b-man` | **thats |
| 00:46.52 | b-man` | gah, i fail at typing tonight - too much coding :P |
| 00:50.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah I can tell from double deref ** |
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| 00:55.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | b-man`: btw that's one of my N900 desktop shortcuts :-D |
| 00:56.08 | b-man` | awesome :) |
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| 01:34.52 | auenf | wtf, had the phone on charge overnight, go to unplug it, and battery bar is red :/ |
| 01:35.29 | nox- | charger not plugged in? |
| 01:35.40 | nox- | to mains i mean |
| 01:36.22 | auenf | ok, i charged it for about a minute, and the battery bar is full now |
| 01:41.37 | ieatlint | probably was just the widget not updating |
| 01:41.46 | ieatlint | race condition.. |
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| 01:43.21 | cvr5 | hai.................................................................................................................................................................... |
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| 01:43.51 | ieatlint | that's one hell of an ellipsis |
| 01:43.55 | Pavlz | hello |
| 01:44.40 | cvr5 | #maemo <pavlz> |
| 01:44.44 | Pavlz | i got a problem with the browser opera on my nokia 770 |
| 01:45.11 | cvr5 | mobile ya? |
| 01:45.12 | FLaT` | mm |
| 01:45.33 | cvr5 | wat pbm da/ |
| 01:45.36 | Pavlz | 'unable to complete secure connection' |
| 01:46.06 | Pavlz | and then a long URL |
| 01:46.08 | cvr5 | c the configuration settings |
| 01:47.09 | Pavlz | pratically i can't access to gmail on nokia 770 |
| 01:48.01 | cvr5 | k da.ur mob has sme fault.................c it in mob centers immediately |
| 01:50.16 | psycho_oreos | 770 isn't a mobile phone, its an internet tablet |
| 01:50.31 | psycho_oreos | and imo opera isn't the standard browser for 770, at least not for n900 when it has microB |
| 01:53.06 | Pavlz | ´unable to connections secure transaction' |
| 01:54.33 | psycho_oreos | that made no sense, in any case I'd bug opera for support status on 770 |
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| 02:05.51 | lolloo | Morning |
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| 02:11.29 | pupnik | moo |
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| 02:16.04 | pupnik | http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Space-1999-science-fiction-3998917-1024-768.jpg best sci fi spaceship of the 70s |
| 02:16.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, is this noise generator gone? |
| 02:16.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | (cvr5) |
| 02:16.58 | nox- | pupnik, moonbase alpha? |
| 02:19.27 | SpeedEvil | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_One |
| 02:19.31 | SpeedEvil | clearly better |
| 02:20.28 | pupnik | ty nox- |
| 02:21.13 | pupnik | yes nox- |
| 02:21.17 | pupnik | i mean SpeedEvil |
| 02:21.29 | pupnik | but the space:1999 thing was supposed to be a lunar hopper |
| 02:21.43 | pupnik | and it was sort of reasonable for that role |
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| 02:24.50 | SpeedEvil | True. |
| 02:26.35 | SpeedEvil | Though the initial conceit of the series had a MASSIVE HONKING FLAW. |
| 02:35.48 | pupnik | hah NASA has a 'moonbase alpha' game! http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/ltp/games/moonbasealpha/index.html |
| 02:37.01 | nox- | pupnik, it was the german title of that tv series |
| 02:37.47 | pupnik | yeah! |
| 02:38.15 | nox- | :) |
| 02:39.54 | Termana | SpeedEvil, did it go Beep Beep all the time? |
| 02:39.54 | Termana | :p |
| 02:40.50 | nox- | suspects noise in space... |
| 02:43.11 | SpeedEvil | No - the series was started off by the moon being blown out of its orbit - and indeed out of the solar system - by an explosion |
| 02:43.30 | nox- | aw |
| 02:43.48 | b-man` | gah, when i start to see horizontal lines in my vision, i know i've been on my computer tooooo long :P |
| 02:43.49 | SpeedEvil | The maximum accelleration the moon can undergo and stay moon-shaped is significantly under 1/6th g |
| 02:44.05 | SpeedEvil | b-man`: xrandr -o left |
| 02:44.18 | b-man` | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 02:44.57 | b-man` | i mean i can see them when i look away from my monitor lol |
| 02:49.54 | b-man` | pupnik, it seems that NASA has rescheduled the shuttle launch once again to Feb. 3 :( |
| 02:50.55 | nox- | oh |
| 02:50.58 | b-man` | i was hoping to see the launch on the 23rd, guess i'll have to wait until April :P |
| 02:51.13 | SpeedEvil | in person? |
| 02:51.18 | b-man` | yes |
| 02:51.30 | pupnik | ah well |
| 02:51.46 | SpeedEvil | space-x launching soon |
| 02:51.53 | SpeedEvil | next few days |
| 02:52.14 | SpeedEvil | falcon/dragon |
| 02:52.21 | b-man` | heh |
| 02:52.32 | SpeedEvil | 5 hours Launch and separate from Falcon 9, orbit Earth, transmit telemetry, receive commands, demonstrate orbital maneuvering and thermal control, re-enter atmosphere, and recover Dragon spacecraft |
| 02:54.53 | BCMM_ | a proper orbit? |
| 02:56.53 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, essentially the same mission as sputnik? |
| 02:57.38 | BCMM_ | nah, sputnik went beep. |
| 02:57.39 | b-man` | hehe |
| 02:58.07 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: No. |
| 02:58.12 | BCMM_ | also, reentered in a way highly incompatible with words like "recovery" |
| 02:58.18 | lcuk | BCMM_, would you manage to do much more than beep if you had a rocket up your arse? |
| 02:58.25 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Reenter under control, come to a safe landing that would not have killed the crew |
| 02:58.34 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, roger |
| 02:58.38 | BCMM_ | lcuk: i hope never to find out. |
| 02:58.43 | lcuk | :D |
| 02:58.45 | b-man` | xD |
| 02:58.48 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's a test of a supply capsule for ISS that can return crew to earth. |
| 02:59.12 | BCMM_ | but not take them up? |
| 02:59.12 | lcuk | is this being broadcast on NASA? |
| 02:59.29 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: no - however it's webcast |
| 02:59.40 | SpeedEvil | BCMM_: in principle, take them up too. |
| 02:59.45 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, good enough |
| 02:59.49 | BCMM_ | they want to send it up with food and bring it down with people? are they breeding humans in space now? |
| 03:00.10 | lcuk | exposing bacon to atomic particles and anything is possible. |
| 03:00.20 | SpeedEvil | http://www.spacex.com/updates.php |
| 03:00.21 | BCMM_ | ewww. |
| 03:01.07 | lcuk | eek they aborted a static fire after lighting the touch paper |
| 03:01.36 | SpeedEvil | The really nice thing is that they can abort even with the engines lit. |
| 03:01.49 | SpeedEvil | Do that with a shuttle, and you're probably dead. |
| 03:02.02 | BCMM_ | SpeedEvil: so is it supposed to be the way they send people to the station, or just a supply craft you can put people on if you have to? |
| 03:02.31 | SpeedEvil | BCMM_: As I understand it, they've only got a contract for cargo |
| 03:02.40 | SpeedEvil | but it could be certified for people |
| 03:02.50 | BCMM_ | (so that next time they have trouble with their intended ride they can throw some astronauts out with the rubbish) |
| 03:02.52 | pupnik | Hotlix Tequila Flavor Lollie with Worm |
| 03:02.53 | pupnik | http://www.americancandy.de/product_info.php?cPath=89&products_id=1902&osCsid=f3c52758ca6d444bfe48bd39ffdb5113 |
| 03:04.08 | lcuk | pupnik, :) we had those at Ricks stag do |
| 03:04.27 | lcuk | errr lads camping weekend/big pissup |
| 03:06.16 | pupnik | ewwwww :) |
| 03:07.28 | lcuk | the chocolate ants were worse |
| 03:07.49 | lcuk | or was it the scorpion |
| 03:07.59 | lcuk | gets the photos out |
| 03:11.28 | toresbe | I've powered up the VMS system now, and as soon as the TCP/IP subsystem comes up, I'll see what state it's in... |
| 03:11.32 | toresbe | oop, #wrong |
| 03:11.43 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/rick.stag.lolly.20100710_038.jpg |
| 03:12.10 | lcuk | pupnik, the real drink tastes better |
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| 03:35.21 | pupnik | wow lol lcuk |
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| 03:40.25 | lolloo | I still cant figure out why the bad quality |
| 03:40.46 | lolloo | when using skype echo service call |
| 03:41.07 | lolloo | It's terrible |
| 03:41.32 | lolloo | can't make a decent call using skype that I need badly |
| 03:41.52 | lolloo | sluggish and can't hear properly |
| 03:42.27 | pupnik | Skype was released to the public in August of 2003 |
| 03:42.29 | pupnik | Skype was officially bought by e-Bay in October of 2005 and paid 2.6 Billion dollars |
| 03:42.33 | pupnik | >_< |
| 03:43.49 | chx | toresbe: did you port VMS to the N900? |
| 03:44.04 | chx | THAT would be something! |
| 03:44.50 | toresbe | chx: well, I ran it in an emulator :) |
| 03:45.15 | chx | toresbe: what emulator? |
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| 03:47.56 | chx | i know that Hercules run on the N900 which is absolutely mind boggling |
| 03:49.47 | toresbe | simh |
| 03:49.54 | toresbe | yeah, it's fantastic :) |
| 03:50.12 | blackthorne | Hercules? |
| 03:51.30 | chx | toresbe: simh???????? |
| 03:51.53 | chx | toresbe: http://simh.trailing-edge.com/ ? how this runs on N900? |
| 03:52.10 | chx | blackthorne: Just in case you need to clean some really dirty stables. |
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| 03:57.29 | toresbe | blackthorne: IBM mainframe emulator. |
| 03:57.49 | toresbe | blackthorne: it's fun to put an N900 on the table of a System/360 operator's console. |
| 03:58.11 | toresbe | And think that the telephone is software-emulating the System/360 faster than real time. |
| 03:58.28 | chx | LOL |
| 03:58.41 | nox- | haha |
| 03:58.48 | chx | the 360 is older than me |
| 03:58.54 | toresbe | yeah |
| 03:59.09 | toresbe | but the N900 can't hold a candle to the 360, blinkenlightswise |
| 03:59.52 | chx | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:360-91-panel.jpg totally not. |
| 04:00.03 | lolloo | the big problem is my friend is using N97 and he is hearing me fine and crystal clear, but I dont while I have N900 |
| 04:00.17 | lolloo | using skype ofcourse. |
| 04:00.55 | FauxFaux | toresbe: Surely the screen has more pixlets (i.e. 3 colors per pixel) than it had lights? :p |
| 04:01.07 | DocScrutinizer | also MTBF of a 360 is better I bet |
| 04:01.57 | chx | DocScrutinizer: failureS? |
| 04:02.14 | chx | DocScrutinizer: my friend, IBM mainframes do not have a single failure much less several :D |
| 04:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | my point |
| 04:02.54 | lolloo | I tried everything! and still I get bad quality on skype when calling echo test service |
| 04:03.01 | chx | cant remember what redundancy the 360 had but i think the 390 already had the several-cpus-executing-shit-and-voting-on-the-result feature.... |
| 04:03.17 | lolloo | my friend has better quality on his N97 |
| 04:03.29 | lolloo | better than me! on my N900! |
| 04:03.36 | lolloo | ALOT BETTER! |
| 04:03.38 | toresbe | the MTBF of a 360 was pretty bad |
| 04:04.14 | toresbe | chx: the IBMs weren't the first to do that, but probably one of the earliest to do it commercially. |
| 04:04.24 | toresbe | that is, in a general-purpose setting |
| 04:04.47 | toresbe | the 360 had some checksumming features. |
| 04:05.12 | toresbe | The 360/91 and 95 were highly paralellized - with "imprecise interrupts" |
| 04:05.39 | toresbe | the CPU was so pipelined that when you hit an interrupt, it couldn't tell you exactly where you struck it. ISTR you got a base and a margin of error. |
| 04:05.59 | chx | HAHA |
| 04:06.23 | chx | toresbe: may i ask when you started computing? |
| 04:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | so what? who cares about when IRQs really happened |
| 04:06.39 | toresbe | I'm 88-vintage. I'm just slightly more interested in retro stuff than others ;) |
| 04:06.57 | chx | toresbe: ah |
| 04:07.09 | blackthorne | doesnt coherent to Nokia N900 philosophy, to have a proprietary plug for the head set... |
| 04:07.11 | pupnik | chx: is that a camera on the desk to the right of the console? |
| 04:07.15 | chx | toresbe: i thought you were Atanasoff's assistant or something :) |
| 04:07.18 | toresbe | hahaha |
| 04:07.22 | pupnik | toresbe: ? |
| 04:07.37 | toresbe | does look like a camera, yes |
| 04:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | you'll love these then http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html |
| 04:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | those were quite a bit of fun |
| 04:08.00 | DocScrutinizer | back in the 80s |
| 04:08.03 | toresbe | wouldn't work with the display - that's a 2250, which is a vector display |
| 04:08.04 | nox- | blackthorne, mh? i plugged std 3.5mm headphones in and heard stuff... |
| 04:08.21 | pupnik | "RAM was buffered for more than 12 hours in case of a power outage" nice DocScrutinizer |
| 04:08.33 | toresbe | DocScrutinizer: OH! I HAD one of those! |
| 04:08.42 | chx | Also, by using a turnknob, some memory areas can be locked from access by the processor |
| 04:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it had something size of 2 car batteries inside |
| 04:08.45 | chx | AHAHAVAHAHHAHAA |
| 04:09.06 | toresbe | I never figured out wth it was supposed to be. |
| 04:09.30 | blackthorne | really? i cant and someone on the channel confirmed as being impossible for non nokia devices |
| 04:09.48 | toresbe | I use standard earphones in my N900. No problem. |
| 04:09.53 | toresbe | Siemens had a strong partnership with Tandberg Data in Norway, who made the terminals. |
| 04:10.01 | toresbe | The terminals really are excellent. |
| 04:10.43 | DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: WTF? the 3.5mm AV receptacle is as standard as it can get |
| 04:10.45 | toresbe | "sichtstation"! Fantastic. |
| 04:10.59 | toresbe | DocScrutinizer: not quite - embrace and extend - for TV out and handsfree |
| 04:11.03 | chx | DocScrutinizer: maybe he means that you can run video over it? |
| 04:11.25 | chx | a mini hdmi connector would've been nice. |
| 04:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
| 04:12.24 | chx | or a hdmi micro :) |
| 04:13.00 | toresbe | DocScrutinizer: reminds me of the ND-100/5000 system I have |
| 04:13.42 | chx | night |
| 04:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, it was rather convenient to fetch another cup of tea while the compiler was running |
| 04:13.56 | toresbe | DocScrutinizer: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:ND-TDV-2215.jpeg is Tandberg's original |
| 04:14.39 | DocScrutinizer | oh yes. Clearly a DS075 |
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| 04:18.33 | toresbe | DocScrutinizer: http://toresbe.at.ifi.uio.no/nd/nd100/video3.mov |
| 04:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: every friggin 4.99 head-set/phones will work with N900 |
| 04:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | except if it's a special build for non-standard devices |
| 04:19.29 | DocScrutinizer | s/if /when |
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| 04:20.14 | nox- | bbl |
| 04:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | N900's AV connector is standard for headphones connecting since Sony came up with walkman |
| 04:23.28 | blackthorne | maybe my apple headset is the one failingon the standard part |
| 04:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | you bet on that |
| 04:23.48 | blackthorne | seems standard though |
| 04:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | it actually isn't |
| 04:24.51 | DocScrutinizer | or at least there were versions that weren't, and also there were lots of odd builds |
| 04:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | like 1mm longer plugs |
| 04:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | GND not on base of plug |
| 04:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | inverted polarity of micbias, due to that |
| 04:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | whatnot else |
| 04:26.10 | nox- | crazy |
| 04:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | started with special mics for apple computers |
| 04:26.36 | blackthorne | cool, like to know that |
| 04:27.19 | blackthorne | what can you do in N900 to save some battery? |
| 04:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | you can completely destroy a standard device by forcing in an apple 3.5mm plug that's 1mm too long |
| 04:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | blackthorne: kick out apps that use much CPU cycles or frequent internet data transmissions |
| 04:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | reduce screen brightness |
| 04:28.53 | blackthorne | ok, so no non obvious stuff |
| 04:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | if you follow those simple rules, you get rather good or even awesome battery standby times |
| 04:29.25 | blackthorne | 2 days? |
| 04:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | easily, even with IRC on 8 chan via WLAN |
| 04:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | xchat |
| 04:30.05 | blackthorne | my maximum is 1 day |
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| 04:30.31 | blackthorne | using GSM only |
| 04:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | my mere idle standby of a completely disconnected N900 was some 9 days |
| 04:31.04 | blackthorne | and switching WLAN off when not in use |
| 04:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | with aggressive custom breathing light |
| 04:31.42 | blackthorne | of course that i do use it for sms and phone calls |
| 04:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | via GSM/UMTS I had >24h with IRC |
| 04:32.57 | blackthorne | i use a tool to monitor my battery display some graphs |
| 04:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management |
| 04:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | haha on tool, it is not a monitor but a batery eater |
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| 04:36.51 | Pauly | hi sry i looked online but couldnt find out the model number of the charger for n900 |
| 04:37.11 | Pauly | is it ac-10u |
| 04:37.14 | Pauly | ? |
| 04:37.51 | Pauly | i bought mine used so i never had the oem charger |
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| 04:40.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | depends |
| 04:41.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | mine here is AC10E |
| 04:41.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | E as in Europe |
| 04:41.31 | Pauly | ahh |
| 04:41.37 | Pauly | well im in usa |
| 04:41.41 | Pauly | so u |
| 04:41.59 | Pauly | would be for me yay |
| 04:43.09 | Pauly | btw i gave up on usb host, i dont need it. i reflashed and dont want break my phone that i use all day everyday lol but thanks |
| 04:45.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | hostmode is safe |
| 04:45.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | no way to *break* your N900 |
| 04:46.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | except mechanically with clunky adapters |
| 04:47.55 | Pauly | i know but im gonna return my usb adapter |
| 04:49.07 | Pauly | and buy oem charger and ca-101 |
| 04:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | anyway thanks for testing and reporting |
| 04:53.38 | Pauly | i just get agervated of the the ppl on youtube using hostmode and for me nothing works!!!! |
| 04:54.13 | pupnik | 9 euro for a bag of cheetos crunchy cheese |
| 04:54.33 | pupnik | thanks Federal Reserve |
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| 04:56.51 | blackthorne | vimeo.com shows on the official maemo site, to emphatize flash support on the n900. is anyone able to see a single video there? |
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| 05:15.01 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: you had more than 24 hours with IRC? Obviously that was without turning the screen back on to check it every now and then, because doing that I was able to get 5 hours |
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| 05:30.59 | erstazi | pupnik: 9⬠for cheetos? that must be a big bag! |
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| 05:51.32 | pupnik | 8 oz |
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| 06:37.36 | rm_you | GeneralAntilles: lol, just found a whole thread about ABL on N900 that i didn't know existed :P |
| 06:38.52 | pigeon | is jonny lamb happened to be here? |
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| 07:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmmpf |
| 07:41.21 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:/var/log# ls |
| 07:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | btmp dpkg.log lircd maemo-optify-boottime.log oopslogtail pycentral.log softupd.log syslog wtmp |
| 07:42.32 | DocScrutinizer | the name oopslogtail is particularly funny for me |
| 07:45.35 | Macer | damn this new harry potter movie is the worst of the lot |
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| 07:56.39 | pupnik_ | nidO: around? |
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| 08:37.15 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyzOUbkUf3M [ The Next Generation of Neural Networks ] ffwd to 24 minutes to see the brain thinking |
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| 08:45.17 | RST38h | "White House forbids feds from reading WikiLeaked cables" |
| 08:52.53 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 08:54.27 | ieatlint | RST38h: source? |
| 08:55.00 | ieatlint | because i have a feeling you're quoting a US dept of state advisory reminding employees that reading the cables on an insecure network is illegal, as they're still considered classified |
| 08:56.11 | MohammadAG | lol classified and out to the public? |
| 08:57.32 | ieatlint | them being leaked doesn't remove their classified status |
| 08:58.10 | MohammadAG | but everyone can read them on an insecure network |
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| 10:00.48 | huee | hello |
| 10:01.03 | nidO | pupnik: yep |
| 10:01.43 | huee | can somebody help me? i need to add qt4 repo to diablo but it always fails to refresh |
| 10:03.34 | huee | nobody? |
| 10:04.33 | pupnik | hi huee |
| 10:04.45 | pupnik | what repo is that? |
| 10:04.52 | pupnik | (url) |
| 10:05.15 | huee | qt4.garage.maemo.org |
| 10:06.27 | pupnik | doesn't look like a repo to me |
| 10:06.39 | huee | try folder /dists |
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| 10:08.18 | myuu | sup maemites |
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| 10:08.51 | huee | if you try to access it through web browser it redirects to wiki.. |
| 10:08.51 | myuu | mobile hotspot is failing out of the blue for me |
| 10:08.56 | myuu | no idea what to do either |
| 10:09.21 | pupnik | ok i see. http://qt4.garage.maemo.org/dists/chinook/extras/binary-armel/ |
| 10:09.23 | pupnik | etc |
| 10:09.36 | huee | yep, thats it |
| 10:11.04 | myuu | im gonna try joiuspot |
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| 10:12.31 | TiagoTiago | hi, any idea why changes to transitions.ini aren't taking effect on my n900 anymore? |
| 10:13.51 | MohammadAG | got a theme with custom transitions appled |
| 10:14.27 | huee | oh, got it working now.. just hardcoded /dists/chinook/extras to url.. thx for help ;) |
| 10:15.00 | TiagoTiago | how do i know which folder the currently used transitions.ini is in? |
| 10:15.16 | TiagoTiago | how can i know* |
| 10:15.20 | NooBmonk3y | waves |
| 10:15.21 | NooBmonk3y | morning alls |
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| 10:15.38 | TiagoTiago | waves back |
| 10:16.25 | MohammadAG | idk, never themed my device |
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| 10:18.54 | myuu | uhhh guys |
| 10:19.03 | myuu | I cant seem to find the joikushop repository |
| 10:19.06 | myuu | is it down? |
| 10:22.16 | MohammadAG | no |
| 10:22.47 | TiagoTiago | gotta reboot, brb |
| 10:23.43 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GdIjCSi1XOk 1993: The open source "Flame" algorithm (xscreensaver) |
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| 10:31.48 | MohammadAG | attempts to hildonize xchat |
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| 10:51.18 | pupnik | why does libglade require mono? |
| 10:51.48 | pupnik | nidO: can you private message me please? |
| 10:55.11 | andre__ | pupnik, where? |
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| 10:57.31 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
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| 10:58.35 | pupnik | andre__: at least it pulled it in on my debian sid box andre__ |
| 10:58.47 | RST38h | probbly a recommended package |
| 10:59.29 | andre__ | I'd be surprised as until one year ago or so mono required libglade |
| 11:00.02 | andre__ | plus libglade is as dead as possible... |
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| 11:11.58 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping |
| 11:12.55 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 11:13.23 | NooBmonk3y | just thinking about adding HeAboutDialog (Hildon-extras thingy) - is there a quick example anywhere? |
| 11:13.38 | NooBmonk3y | the wiki page goes on alot, but no examples of how to add :P |
| 11:13.58 | MohammadAG | Umm |
| 11:14.00 | MohammadAG | sticky-notes |
| 11:14.05 | NooBmonk3y | cool |
| 11:14.12 | MohammadAG | Venemo's app :) |
| 11:14.38 | NooBmonk3y | meh php |
| 11:14.49 | NooBmonk3y | i must be looking at the wrongone lol |
| 11:15.05 | MohammadAG | o_O |
| 11:15.15 | NooBmonk3y | found it |
| 11:15.59 | alterego | I should probably check irc more often, I've got about fifty messages .. |
| 11:16.15 | alterego | MohammadAG: did you sort youself out lastnight? |
| 11:17.15 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
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| 11:17.53 | alterego | Presumably it was to do with +/- keys? |
| 11:18.25 | MohammadAG | funny, I just pushed the commit :P |
| 11:18.27 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser |
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| 11:19.55 | alterego | cool |
| 11:19.55 | TiagoTiago | i came back just to say that i found what was making the changes to transition.ini not take effect, there was a typo in the file |
| 11:20.02 | TiagoTiago | cya |
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| 11:37.46 | alterego | deedeedidideedididi |
| 11:38.42 | Termana | That's just proof you guys are all crazy |
| 11:38.44 | Termana | :p |
| 11:40.38 | Termana | alterego, or is that just your mating call or something? |
| 11:40.57 | alterego | Morse code |
| 11:41.37 | Termana | Yeah, I see the resemblance |
| 11:42.30 | Termana | calls up the mental hospital and the museum |
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| 11:46.43 | alterego | looks for a nice set of icons for his remote program. |
| 11:46.58 | alterego | Gonna test it on meego later aswell me thinks. |
| 11:49.29 | MohammadAG | I wonder if the N9 will have an IrDA port |
| 11:51.12 | alterego | Doubt it |
| 11:51.28 | alterego | I'd prefer another CIR emitter tbh |
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| 12:15.44 | NooBmonk3y | thp, ping |
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| 12:40.25 | chem|st | alterego: to have both you could cap new devices OTG |
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| 12:40.47 | chem|st | alterego: on n900 it is only one pin away from irda |
| 12:40.57 | mikki-kun | what is the difference between IrDA and CIR? |
| 12:41.19 | mikki-kun | i assume both are used for infrared communication |
| 12:41.20 | alterego | CIR has a longer range and is only one directional. |
| 12:41.24 | chem|st | mikki-kun: CIR is consumerIR like TV remotes |
| 12:41.45 | mikki-kun | and IrDA ist like "two-way"? |
| 12:42.01 | chem|st | alterego: longer range is funny, my irda capable phone has longer range than n900's CIR |
| 12:42.04 | BCMM | they are different, incompatible protocols, that just happen to use a similar part of the EM spectrum |
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| 12:42.48 | mikki-kun | ahhh, in a broader sense like 802.11b and n e.g. ? |
| 12:42.49 | BCMM | it's a bit like asking what the difference between 802.11 and bluetooth is |
| 12:43.17 | MohammadAG | no, the N900 has CIR, the N95 has IrDA |
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| 12:43.23 | chem|st | mikki-kun: yes IrDA was used for handhelds and phones to communicate befor wifi and bt |
| 12:43.27 | mikki-kun | is bluetooth as well in the 2.4 ghz spectrum? |
| 12:43.28 | BCMM | mikki-kun: no, more like wifi and bluetooth, the only real similarity is the spectrum used |
| 12:43.38 | MohammadAG | CIR is like the one used on your TV's remote |
| 12:43.42 | BCMM | yeah |
| 12:43.49 | mikki-kun | whoah Ã.ö lol? |
| 12:43.58 | LjL | is the N900 transmit-only? |
| 12:44.08 | chem|st | LjL: yes... |
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| 12:44.14 | BCMM | only even different-er, because one protocol is one-way |
| 12:44.17 | mikki-kun | thanks for telling me that, i didn't know bluetooth goes 2.4 |
| 12:44.32 | BCMM | some cordless phones too |
| 12:44.52 | LjL | it's a pity modern phones don't have IrDA, i still have and use devices with it |
| 12:44.57 | chem|st | or mice or keyboards |
| 12:45.26 | chem|st | or weather stations |
| 12:45.53 | chem|st | RC-controlled cars helicopters... |
| 12:46.12 | chem|st | 2.4GHz is like consumer band |
| 12:46.13 | alterego | IrDA is kind of pointless for me, considering the prevalence of bluetooth, CIR on the otherhand is cool. I can now use my phone to control my TV, computer and XBox :) |
| 12:46.39 | chem|st | alterego: dont forget to trigger your DSLR! |
| 12:46.40 | mikki-kun | why not just include both and everybody be happy with that? |
| 12:46.41 | BCMM | chem|st: well, that's because it's unlicensed |
| 12:46.43 | alterego | And my new lirc frontend based on QML is coming along nicely :) |
| 12:46.58 | MohammadAG | alterego, except if you want to define a remote |
| 12:47.00 | Macer | is there a maemo app with list of presets? something that can be used like a remote? |
| 12:47.05 | LjL | alterego: CIR is nice but keep in mind many devices with IrDA can be used as remote control even though they aren't explicitly CIR |
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| 12:47.19 | LjL | both my Psion and my iPaq can do that, to an extent at least |
| 12:47.22 | alterego | Sure |
| 12:47.22 | chem|st | Macer: qtirreco |
| 12:47.25 | MohammadAG | most of my TV's DVR (TV has a built in DVR) buttons aren't defined |
| 12:47.26 | BCMM | mikki-kun: and yes, all of the above microwave-using devices have been known to interfere with each other |
| 12:47.34 | Macer | chem|st: any good? |
| 12:47.42 | BCMM | e.g. getting a call on your cordless kills your wifi speed |
| 12:47.46 | chem|st | Macer: sure |
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| 12:48.09 | LjL | it would be even nicer if the N900 could receive, so it could act as a programmable remote |
| 12:48.25 | mikki-kun | BCMM: so i turn on a freakin' strong microwave and kill with that all radio around me in a certain radius? |
| 12:48.35 | mikki-kun | cool ^^ |
| 12:48.40 | thp | NooBmonk3y: pong |
| 12:48.48 | LjL | hehe yeah my WiFi (on channel 6) completely dies when the microwave is running :P |
| 12:48.59 | mikki-kun | switch to channel 12 then |
| 12:49.06 | LjL | yeah, i used to be on channel 11 |
| 12:49.18 | LjL | but i moved to 6 because my phone didn't pick up the signal well on 11 |
| 12:49.25 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö |
| 12:49.34 | NooBmonk3y | ahaaa thp :P good a rather noobish question for ya :P |
| 12:49.35 | mikki-kun | the channel can affect quality? |
| 12:50.03 | LjL | mikki-kun: well... it's a slightly different frequency so i guess if the antenna is better suited to a given frequency... |
| 12:50.08 | chem|st | for that we have the "a" at 5.4GHz |
| 12:50.09 | NooBmonk3y | if i want to use HeAboutDialog, i assume i need to include a .h file - where do i get it from? (Or the code for it?) |
| 12:50.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, any theories on how this can be made better? http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line55 |
| 12:50.18 | NooBmonk3y | good = got* above lol |
| 12:50.24 | mikki-kun | chem|st: i thought it was a dead format like HD-DVD ^^ |
| 12:50.36 | MohammadAG | I mean, there's a shitload of suffixes, how do I cover them all like firefox does :/ |
| 12:50.41 | thp | NooBmonk3y: it's in the hildon extras package |
| 12:51.02 | MohammadAG | (by shitload I mean .com, .co.uk, .co.* .org, .net, .info, .whatever) |
| 12:51.07 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh so i just dload the package, extract the h file, and import it into the qt project :) |
| 12:51.08 | thp | NooBmonk3y: libhildon-extras1-dev |
| 12:51.14 | chem|st | mikki-kun: I'd love to have abgn on any device as you change to a if bgn is crowded... |
| 12:51.26 | thp | NooBmonk3y: you can use pkgconfig |
| 12:51.50 | NooBmonk3y | ahaaa saw that in a project somewhere, will go hunt it out :) |
| 12:52.33 | BCMM | LjL: heh, your microwave leaks? |
| 12:52.36 | thp | NooBmonk3y: we should probably redo the HeAboutDialog in QWidgets or QML ;) |
| 12:52.57 | NooBmonk3y | hehe that would be cool! |
| 12:53.16 | mikki-kun | i am not sure it will work though in real life scenarios... think of 100 people living in your wifi's radius and all of them have as well an abgn-router... they complain then that their wireless dies all the time and then, you bein the smart one and having switched to a-band, will see time after time an increase in a-bands popping up as the others are being told by their "network admins" to go a for lower interference... voila, you have |
| 12:53.16 | LjL | BCMM: definitely does... aside from the WiFI, we also have an electronic balance which goes totally bonkers when the microwave is on :P |
| 12:53.33 | BCMM | what? why does the electronic balance use microwaves? |
| 12:53.40 | Macer | hm |
| 12:53.46 | Macer | qtirreco is meh |
| 12:53.48 | BCMM | heh, i just looked it up: a microwave oven typically uses 2.45GHz |
| 12:53.51 | BCMM | how awkward... |
| 12:53.53 | LjL | BCMM: i have no idea! |
| 12:54.16 | BCMM | so i guess it doesn't take anything like a harmful leakage of microwave radiation to break stuff |
| 12:54.27 | BCMM | still, if it interferes with non-wireless stuff, maybe you should get it checked... |
| 12:54.29 | mikki-kun | that is just cool, so we had wlan even before it was invented?! |
| 12:54.31 | LjL | no, it's pretty typical for microwaves to disturb wifi |
| 12:54.45 | Termana | BCMM, you do know that ALL microwaves will leak |
| 12:54.46 | LjL | BCMM: well i think it's just that balance that's a little oversensitive to interference |
| 12:54.54 | Macer | i am trying to get this going for my comcast dvr |
| 12:55.15 | Termana | BCMM, that's why you are suppose to stand two meters away from the microwave when in use |
| 12:55.16 | BCMM | mikki-kun: channel effects signal quality because unless you live in the middle of nowhere, someone is already using some of them |
| 12:55.20 | LjL | microwaves and WiFi both use similar frequencies because that's what was available for unlicensed use :P |
| 12:55.31 | BugBlue | BCMM: if you microwave is 1000watt and you leak like 200 miliwatt it's not much but still destroys the 50mw Wifi |
| 12:55.36 | BCMM | Termana: of course, but it sounds like quite a lot comes out of ljl's machine |
| 12:55.47 | BCMM | Termana: also, citation needed on the 2 meters thing... |
| 12:55.48 | LjL | BCMM: oh i don't think it's that in my case though, both channels are relatively free, yet my phone seems to work better on channel 6 than 11 |
| 12:56.35 | BCMM | btw, i suggest everyone who controlls an a wireless 802.11 network uses wifieye to find the least busy channel, and claim it |
| 12:56.49 | BCMM | (wifieye the n900 application) |
| 12:56.59 | LjL | by the way my phone is not an N900, in case everyone is trying to see what happens on their if they change channel :P |
| 12:57.15 | mikki-kun | BCMM "iwlist scan" does the same :) |
| 12:57.46 | BCMM | mikki-kun: ah, but wifieye has a pretty graph of which network exist on which bands at what signal strength |
| 12:58.01 | LjL | pretty graphs <3 |
| 12:58.21 | mikki-kun | i hate pretty graphs if i am just looking for plain info ^^ |
| 12:58.37 | BCMM | oh, the setup here is not really optimum... |
| 12:58.47 | Termana | BCMM, http://www.gallawa.com/microtech/Ch3.html at 1.5 meters (5 feet) you are still exposed to 0.005 mW |
| 12:58.55 | BCMM | networks all clustered on the top bands, bands 1-3 totally clear... |
| 12:59.00 | mikki-kun | omfg, i see here 2 others having switched the channel freq... -.- |
| 12:59.04 | mikki-kun | to 1 |
| 12:59.11 | mikki-kun | ok, i'll go 3 then |
| 12:59.29 | BCMM | ofc, ymmv, as LjL says some devices are just funny |
| 12:59.30 | LjL | 3 is still pretty close to 1 (you know wifi channels overlap) |
| 12:59.47 | BCMM | but if you actually test it, it's a good start towards improving range and speed |
| 12:59.52 | mikki-kun | 13 is gone as well as 6 and 1 |
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| 13:00.13 | BCMM | iirc i toyed with this to see if i could go outside and fix bicycles while still listening to internet radio |
| 13:00.38 | mikki-kun | or i could go 9/10 |
| 13:00.41 | LjL | mikki-kun: then 1) mod your microwave so it radiates 10x as much as normal 2) wait for everyone to leave the channel involved 3) ??? 4) profit |
| 13:01.00 | BCMM | why can't people who aren't japanese use channel 14? |
| 13:01.05 | Macer | uhm |
| 13:01.11 | BCMM | legally, i mean |
| 13:01.14 | mikki-kun | 1) i think here in switzerland there are laws for the radiation strength... |
| 13:01.21 | LjL | BCMM: oh? i thought that was an italian thing |
| 13:01.25 | LjL | mikki-kun: feh, laws! |
| 13:01.27 | Macer | do i have to enable the ir to get qtirreco going |
| 13:01.39 | chem|st | Macer: no |
| 13:01.49 | BCMM | cause my router supports channel 14, and so does my n900, and naturally they're quite clear... will people die if i use it? |
| 13:02.07 | LjL | mikki-kun: only swiss people respect laws ;( |
| 13:02.09 | chem|st | Macer: range is about 3m |
| 13:02.26 | chem|st | BCMM: I hope so ;) |
| 13:02.29 | LjL | BCMM: well if you end up disturbing some important frequencies, someone might notice |
| 13:02.31 | mikki-kun | uhhhh, lol?! |
| 13:02.38 | mikki-kun | LjL: i am a finn tbh |
| 13:02.51 | Macer | hm |
| 13:02.53 | LjL | mikki-kun: only finnish people respect laws! |
| 13:02.57 | Macer | screw this. isnt worth it |
| 13:02.59 | Macer | lol |
| 13:02.59 | LjL | mikki-kun: in fact, everyone but us does |
| 13:03.03 | BCMM | huh, my neighborhood sucks WRT wifi spectrum - there are multiple networks on channel 9 |
| 13:03.04 | chem|st | LjL: only swiss? doubt it |
| 13:03.06 | mikki-kun | the router says "i should be an channel 7 guy" but it is according to iwlist scan a channel 1 guy -.- |
| 13:03.16 | BCMM | effectively double-parking on 6 and 11 |
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| 13:03.59 | chem|st | BCMM: if they are low traffic it doesn't matter |
| 13:04.16 | mikki-kun | ewww, will be gone a couple of moments, router restart... |
| 13:04.30 | BCMM | chem|st: i thought routers weren't supposed to do that unless they were specifically told to? |
| 13:05.35 | BCMM | ah, they're all BT routers; stupid is explained |
| 13:05.42 | BCMM | incidentally, double-parking has far too many meanings |
| 13:06.00 | BCMM | i meant the "parking across two spaces" one |
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| 13:08.10 | mikki-kun | back again :) |
| 13:08.27 | mikki-kun | new channel and killed that senseless autochannel-mode |
| 13:11.26 | dazo | Anyone having tested PR1.3 and noticed if it changes how long the battery lasts? |
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| 13:12.00 | SwedeMike | dazo: I didn't notice much difference. |
| 13:12.05 | Jartza | I've run PR1.3 since it arrived and haven't noticed any difference |
| 13:12.13 | Jartza | my battery still lasts for a day :) |
| 13:12.20 | chem|st | dazo shorter at mine |
| 13:12.32 | dazo | Well, mine used to last at least 2 days for me ... now it's barely a day |
| 13:13.04 | chem|st | Jartza: yeah mine too but I had about 2 days befor talking in terms of 24 hours |
| 13:13.06 | SwedeMike | only time I get mine to last 2 days if I leave it in 2G mode and wifi off and don't use it at all |
| 13:13.24 | Jartza | I have 3G and wifi on all the time |
| 13:13.36 | Jartza | dazo: have you installed any new applications since updating? |
| 13:13.55 | dazo | Jartza: only enabled ActiveSync (Exchange mail stuff) |
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| 13:13.59 | CableTwitch | Yo |
| 13:14.16 | dazo | I'm also using the power kernel ... but I've not had power issues with that before |
| 13:14.45 | dazo | This time though, I did a flash ... not the update-over-the-air-stuff |
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| 13:15.18 | CableTwitch | Hmmm... Is anyone else getting invalid certificates when accessing the ovi store? |
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| 13:20.20 | mikki-kun | i can't even access it.. |
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| 13:23.23 | CableTwitch | What, the ovi store? |
| 13:23.45 | CableTwitch | I should have also said "on my N900" |
| 13:24.05 | CableTwitch | I dont know if its something with the store itself, or the PR1.3... |
| 13:26.43 | alterego | I suppose it may be possible for me to implement my own blur qml component to add blur effects. |
| 13:26.59 | lolloo | I disasembled my N900! pretty easy if you ask me! |
| 13:27.10 | MohammadAG | indeed |
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| 13:27.25 | MohammadAG | now get a 25MP camera and take photos, then upload them in RAW |
| 13:27.34 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 13:27.44 | CableTwitch | Yes it is. How did you do it? 4ft drop onto concrete? Crowbar? Rolled yourdeskchair over it? |
| 13:27.45 | CableTwitch | XD |
| 13:27.57 | tugrik | no issues for me CableTwitch - but at what point do you get the cert issue? |
| 13:28.02 | MohammadAG | it's piss easy to disassemble it |
| 13:28.08 | lolloo | kind of! with inside screws were tough |
| 13:28.10 | MohammadAG | good luck with assembling the screen ribbon |
| 13:28.27 | MohammadAG | (not being sarcastic, good luck, you'll need it) |
| 13:28.43 | CableTwitch | tugrik: When I try and re-download the angry birds level pack 1. I reaslise I havent tried to DL anything else since, but its the first time its ever complained at me. |
| 13:29.11 | CableTwitch | Yeah, the screen ribbon is a bitch, until you get the technique right. Took me about half an hour of fiddling to get that puppy sorted. |
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| 13:30.02 | lolloo | MohammadAG, I have a slight problem with skype, quality calling isnt good |
| 13:30.33 | lolloo | when I call my friend who has N97 he hears me very well, but I dont |
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| 13:31.33 | lolloo | I get like crackling sound |
| 13:31.52 | MohammadAG | no idea, skype's clear here |
| 13:32.30 | lolloo | not video call, just normal call. the guys here helped me with many suggestions like change my powersaving feature or change my dsl modem |
| 13:33.06 | MohammadAG | defective mic maybe? |
| 13:33.19 | lolloo | when calling echo/test service i get very bad quality. |
| 13:33.26 | lolloo | mic you mean speakers? |
| 13:33.49 | MohammadAG | oh, thought the other party heard crackling |
| 13:33.52 | lolloo | I flashed my N900 again but that also didnt work. |
| 13:34.10 | lolloo | I applied bootN900 patch |
| 13:34.17 | lolloo | but that aslo didnt work |
| 13:34.27 | lolloo | BOOSTN900 |
| 13:34.53 | lolloo | I will record my call using echo/test |
| 13:35.03 | lolloo | and you can judge. |
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| 13:41.26 | lolloo | bare with me please. |
| 13:41.45 | n900evil | is naked. |
| 13:41.55 | lolloo | ewww |
| 13:41.57 | n900evil | jumps up and down. |
| 13:42.18 | lolloo | MohammadAG, can you check this please. this is recording |
| 13:43.05 | lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac |
| 13:43.39 | lolloo | it's a recording of my skype call to echo/test service, |
| 13:43.49 | nomis | can somebody point me to the sources for the lirc_rx51 driver? |
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| 13:43.53 | lolloo | watch how it is struggling. |
| 13:44.44 | lolloo | MohammadAG, bad isn'tit? |
| 13:45.24 | lolloo | my friend hears me very well but I dont. |
| 13:45.43 | lolloo | is there something wrong with upload speed on N900? |
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| 13:47.31 | chem|st | lolloo: as told several times now... have you tried another router? |
| 13:48.01 | chem|st | or lets call it accesspoint |
| 13:48.17 | oli | hi, I've got a little problem with hildon gui |
| 13:48.21 | oli | I mean: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png |
| 13:48.56 | oli | all borders, hilights and other elements dissappeared after I've installed midori & rebooted |
| 13:49.17 | chem|st | oli: have you tried with rebooting again? |
| 13:49.38 | oli | chem|st: a few times |
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| 13:51.04 | oli | can't google anything about this issue |
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| 13:52.19 | chem|st | oli: a webbrowser is not changeing anything... usually |
| 13:52.31 | chem|st | does uninstalling midori help it? |
| 13:53.31 | oli | didn't change anything, but during installation there was an "updating icon cache" notification |
| 13:53.40 | oli | so I guess it may be related |
| 13:55.08 | FIQ | Usually that's just due to insert the Midori menu item |
| 13:55.27 | FIQ | Oh, N800, don't know about how that works |
| 13:58.59 | oli | I'll try removing maemo5-like menu |
| 13:59.30 | pupnik | very nice bitmap tracing program. http://autotrace.sourceforge.net/screenshot.gif |
| 14:01.36 | oli | the same glitch with old menus... (+annoying bar on the left) |
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| 14:02.34 | Venemo | hi |
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| 14:04.44 | oli | Is trying to reinstall hildon-desktop really a bad idea? ;) |
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| 14:05.11 | Venemo | oli: it isn't a bad idea, but what are you trying to achieve? |
| 14:05.42 | oli | Venemo: http://wstaw.org/m/2010/12/05/screenshot02.png that's how my n800's gui looks like |
| 14:06.06 | oli | lost all borders, hilights, scrollbars |
| 14:06.38 | Venemo | oli, it seems like a screwed up theme |
| 14:07.37 | oli | It's the same with all preinstalled themes |
| 14:07.54 | oli | menus lost their rounded corners, etc |
| 14:07.56 | pupnik | http://www.roitsystems.com/twiki/bin/view/Main/AutoTraceHelpOutputFormat << what's the simplest scalable vector format to parse with my own program? |
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| 14:08.30 | lolloo | sorry the I got D/C |
| 14:08.50 | Venemo | oli: well then try reinstalling hildon-desktop |
| 14:08.52 | lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry. |
| 14:09.14 | Venemo | oli: if it doesn't do anything, we'll think about it more |
| 14:09.44 | Venemo | oli: this may be obvious, but did you try to set the theme to default then reboot? |
| 14:09.56 | oli | Venemo: reinsattall = apt-get remove + apt-get install ? |
| 14:10.13 | Venemo | oli: apt-get install -reinstall hildon-desktop or something like this, wait a moment |
| 14:10.15 | oli | Venemo: yes, it didn't change anything |
| 14:10.42 | lolloo | this is my skype I recorded the call to echo/test on my N900 |
| 14:10.46 | lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac |
| 14:10.48 | Venemo | oli: 'apt-get install --reinstall packagename' |
| 14:10.55 | Venemo | oli: this is the correct command |
| 14:11.11 | oli | ok, rebooting |
| 14:11.28 | Venemo | oli: but before doing this, set the theme to the built-in and reboot |
| 14:11.36 | Venemo | oli: after the reinstall, reboot again (just to be sure) |
| 14:11.47 | Venemo | oli: if it doesn't help, all I can recommend is backup your data and |
| 14:11.49 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 14:11.49 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 14:11.52 | MohammadAG | lolloo, latency problem I guess |
| 14:12.01 | MohammadAG | try a faster connection |
| 14:12.55 | lolloo | MohammadAG, yes but I am using my 10Mb dsl line. |
| 14:13.00 | oli | Venemo: still white everywhere , suits the weather ;] |
| 14:13.16 | lolloo | do you think there is an upload problem with N900? |
| 14:13.26 | Venemo | oli: if noone has a better idea, I suggest trying a reflash |
| 14:13.30 | lolloo | also I changged the wireless channel |
| 14:13.36 | Venemo | oli: don't forget to backup your data before doing it |
| 14:13.36 | lolloo | but didn'tsolve anything |
| 14:13.54 | lolloo | I disabled powersave for N900 but same thing. |
| 14:14.10 | MohammadAG | lolloo, pingtest.net |
| 14:14.22 | lolloo | awesome ok |
| 14:14.34 | oli | Venemo: one thing I said before you joined - it happened after I've installed midori |
| 14:15.36 | Venemo | oli: I guess you already uninstalled midori |
| 14:15.45 | lolloo | testing, |
| 14:15.47 | Venemo | good morning MohammadAG :) |
| 14:16.00 | MohammadAG | morning :) |
| 14:16.08 | oli | Venemo: yup. |
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| 14:21.09 | Venemo | oli: well then I'm out of ideas, sorry :( |
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| 14:23.42 | oli | Venemo: me too, |
| 14:23.48 | lolloo | ok here is my symptom, with pingtest |
| 14:23.55 | oli | Seems I have to flash (again) |
| 14:24.01 | lolloo | I tried ping test on my pc and my N900 |
| 14:24.33 | lolloo | I get on my PC grade B with ping 131@2ms jitter |
| 14:24.55 | lolloo | I get on my N900 grade C with ping 170@23ms jitter |
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| 14:25.28 | lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry for bothering you, but why is N900 slower and jitters much compared to my pc |
| 14:25.41 | lolloo | all using the same wireless connection mind you |
| 14:26.13 | MohammadAG | B or C aren't the best |
| 14:26.27 | MohammadAG | I get an A, and it's just a 5MB line |
| 14:26.34 | MohammadAG | could be a crappy router |
| 14:26.44 | joga | skype has worked fine for me, even over 3g |
| 14:26.51 | lolloo | wow awesome |
| 14:27.03 | lolloo | nearest server to me is kuwaite |
| 14:27.13 | lolloo | although kuwait is far :p |
| 14:27.29 | Venemo | oli: I haven't had an N800, so I don't really know much about it, sorry |
| 14:27.42 | lolloo | but what when calling using pc is much better |
| 14:27.54 | lolloo | compared to n900 skype. |
| 14:28.05 | lolloo | maybe there is a patch or a way to improve wireless speed on N900? |
| 14:28.21 | lolloo | specially uploading. |
| 14:28.23 | Venemo | lolloo: my N900's Skype is much better than on my laptop |
| 14:28.29 | lolloo | wow |
| 14:28.32 | lolloo | I envy you |
| 14:28.37 | Venemo | lolloo: because the N900's microphone has a lot better quality than my laptop's |
| 14:28.49 | lcuk | whats todays app of the day to install? |
| 14:28.57 | lolloo | did you hear my recording? its terrible!!! |
| 14:29.17 | lolloo | but internet upload on n900 is slow don't you think? |
| 14:29.57 | lolloo | I use skype daily, but with situation its hard for me |
| 14:31.34 | lolloo | I kind of miss what my boss tell me ! hehe |
| 14:31.37 | oli | Venemo: just flashed it - thanks for your help :) |
| 14:31.46 | lolloo | I cant hear what he is saying haha |
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| 14:32.07 | Venemo | oli: you're welocme |
| 14:32.50 | Venemo | lolloo: well I didn't listen to your recording, but I believed the people with whom I talked over Skype |
| 14:33.20 | lolloo | yes other ppl hear me crystalclear |
| 14:33.23 | lolloo | but I don't |
| 14:33.32 | lolloo | http://www.rapidshare.com/files/435042324/Rec_20101205_163936-164006.aac |
| 14:33.50 | lolloo | my frnd has N97 and he hears me very well! |
| 14:33.55 | lolloo | but I don't. |
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| 14:37.06 | lolloo | anyways thank you guys every little helps. I will keep searching. |
| 14:38.02 | lolloo | it says on pingtest.net packetloss test failed! |
| 14:38.11 | lolloo | on my N900 that is. |
| 14:38.18 | lolloo | does that mean anything? |
| 14:40.05 | pupnik | "We are all 'rationally ignorant'... We can only be informed about a small number of things - the things that help us make a living or the things we enjoy doing in our personal lives." - Dr. Bruce Yandle, Clemson University |
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| 14:48.27 | lolloo | pupnik, nothing new on the saying |
| 14:50.34 | n900evil | hmm |
| 14:50.48 | n900evil | How do I change volume in the browser? |
| 14:52.24 | alterego | Goto dashboard, change volume then go back to browser. |
| 14:52.31 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: ping |
| 14:52.42 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo, I pong badly |
| 14:52.49 | alterego | Or, in browser settings you can tell it to use -/+ keys for volume over zoom |
| 14:52.54 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: thank god you're here |
| 14:53.05 | NooBmonk3y | looks up, god where? lol |
| 14:53.11 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: I know you have used Qt Mobility sensors before |
| 14:53.12 | NooBmonk3y | afternooooooooooooon |
| 14:53.23 | NooBmonk3y | ooo yes, the one thing that kinda works :p |
| 14:53.30 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: how can I start a QAccelerometer? |
| 14:54.14 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: its isActive() always returns false |
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| 14:55.23 | NooBmonk3y | i cheated and used most of the qt example code hold on... |
| 14:55.32 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: where is that? |
| 14:56.01 | NooBmonk3y | http://gitorious.org/healthcheck/healthcheckv3/blobs/master/explorer.cpp |
| 14:56.04 | NooBmonk3y | is my code hold on |
| 14:56.09 | NooBmonk3y | will link to the actual example |
| 14:56.17 | lolloo | sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5206/5234681136_857b3564e6.jpg |
| 14:56.20 | NooBmonk3y | (By my, i mean slightly ammended nokia code lol) |
| 14:56.27 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: there is no QAcceleormeter in your code |
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| 14:56.51 | timeless_xchat | sp3000: Are you @office? |
| 14:56.58 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo, it has qsensor and scrolls through all of em |
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| 14:57.08 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: mhm |
| 14:57.27 | NooBmonk3y | install the extras-devel healthcheck, look under tools->sensor explorer |
| 14:58.37 | lolloo | healthcheck got new update this week! |
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| 14:58.50 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: all I had to do is remove the isActive() check, and it works |
| 14:58.51 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo, kinda! |
| 14:58.55 | NooBmonk3y | lols!!! |
| 14:58.59 | lolloo | hehe |
| 14:59.13 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo, development update, just kinda an update to show i am working on it slowly |
| 14:59.14 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: seems that isActive is lying... |
| 14:59.20 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo, that happens alot! |
| 14:59.27 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: there is setActive() in 1.1.0, but not in 1.0.2 :( |
| 14:59.35 | NooBmonk3y | Spent most of this weekend finding out maemo isn't supported yet on alot of qtmobility |
| 14:59.42 | NooBmonk3y | or it was, and isnt now |
| 14:59.47 | NooBmonk3y | like you have just found out! |
| 15:00.10 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo, interested on feedback if you are bored :P |
| 15:00.26 | lolloo | yes I do have |
| 15:00.45 | lolloo | I will keep in touch! |
| 15:00.46 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: it is. just 1.1.0 is not in the repo yet |
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| 15:00.58 | NooBmonk3y | nope its not :( |
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| 15:01.13 | NooBmonk3y | 1.2 due out early next year supposedly |
| 15:03.23 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0/index.html#platform-compatibility |
| 15:03.37 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: everything except the "feedback" api is okay for Maemo 5 |
| 15:03.43 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo, that is not true! |
| 15:03.52 | NooBmonk3y | yes they work but not all functionality included in maemo |
| 15:03.52 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: why not? |
| 15:04.02 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: what is not? |
| 15:04.04 | NooBmonk3y | For example |
| 15:04.10 | NooBmonk3y | back end audioinput/output |
| 15:04.14 | NooBmonk3y | ie, you can't list devices |
| 15:04.17 | NooBmonk3y | therefore - useless to me |
| 15:04.31 | NooBmonk3y | you can play and do snazzy stuff, but not get into the techy details |
| 15:04.41 | lcuk | NooBmonk3y, which bug reports are you tracking which tell you its missing |
| 15:05.01 | NooBmonk3y | lcuk, qt main pages, |
| 15:05.03 | lcuk | ie if the devs dont know that developers are expecting such support, they may not know to try and add it |
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| 15:05.09 | NooBmonk3y | they do :) |
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| 15:05.14 | lcuk | smiles |
| 15:05.26 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: open a bug report |
| 15:05.31 | NooBmonk3y | will post a bug if one doesnt exist, but have enough to do and keep me busy in the meanwhile |
| 15:05.44 | lcuk | roger |
| 15:05.48 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: and tell them that this table is a lie, and also tell them "DON'T LIE TO US, YOU MORONS!" |
| 15:05.58 | NooBmonk3y | lcuk, it was a comment by one of the qtmobility developers.... not available now,. will be in 1.2 |
| 15:05.59 | Venemo | ~nuke the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us |
| 15:05.59 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the Qt Mobility developers for lying to us ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 15:06.01 | NooBmonk3y | (for maemo anyway) |
| 15:06.27 | NooBmonk3y | they didnt lie, just bent the truth, into a perfect circle lol |
| 15:07.11 | lolloo | hehe great way to say it |
| 15:07.25 | NooBmonk3y | :) |
| 15:07.39 | NooBmonk3y | has decided to change mywebsite again, got bored with it being too complex |
| 15:07.44 | NooBmonk3y | so using wordpress for easier blogging |
| 15:08.04 | lolloo | sharing : http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5248/5234731634_947bbcb7df.jpg |
| 15:08.26 | lolloo | NooBmonk3y, share your website. |
| 15:08.28 | NooBmonk3y | nice lolloo :) |
| 15:08.40 | NooBmonk3y | lolloo, will do when complete :P - looks like a pigs toilet atm |
| 15:08.46 | lolloo | hehehe |
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| 15:11.56 | MohammadAG | how do I cleanly restart hildon-desktop grr |
| 15:12.07 | timeless_xchat | killall hildon-desktop |
| 15:12.29 | Venemo | killall will kill it, then upstart'll restart it |
| 15:12.30 | MohammadAG | that's not clean |
| 15:12.38 | MohammadAG | it won't rotate properly afterwards |
| 15:12.52 | MohammadAG | dsme will, upstart doesn't usually do this :P |
| 15:13.49 | MohammadAG | k, nvm |
| 15:13.58 | MohammadAG | got the status menu showing in portrait mode |
| 15:14.03 | MohammadAG | now to realign it |
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| 15:15.48 | pupnik | Patent lawyer Stephan Kinsella: "How Intellectual Property Hampers Capitalism" (video, mp3, transcript) http://www.stephankinsella.com/2010/10/how-intellectual-property-hampers-capitalism-transcript/ |
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| 15:23.53 | MohammadAG | who wants this? :P http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg |
| 15:24.31 | NooBmonk3y | wants what? |
| 15:24.34 | NooBmonk3y | a screenshot? |
| 15:24.48 | MohammadAG | status menu in portrait mode smartass |
| 15:24.50 | NooBmonk3y | or ther vertical stylee status menu thing? |
| 15:24.57 | NooBmonk3y | ;) |
| 15:25.06 | NooBmonk3y | i dont get this portrait mode malarky.... |
| 15:25.20 | NooBmonk3y | its easier and quicker for me to use my phone in landscape lol |
| 15:25.28 | NooBmonk3y | + alot more comfortable to hold |
| 15:25.37 | NooBmonk3y | maybe i'm just odd......... |
| 15:25.58 | lcuk | s/odd/old/ |
| 15:26.02 | yasir | My N900 is on a restart loop after I installed some widget in it. I guess destop switcher widget. I have spend quite a time to install some usefull application so do want to reflash if possible. is there any option to just remove the problematic widget is get my n900 working without reflashing? |
| 15:28.05 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: yeah I'm sayin this since I have the N900... :P |
| 15:28.09 | lcuk | hmm is it easy to mount the main rootfs partition from within meego? |
| 15:28.12 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: but honestly, this is a great feature |
| 15:28.19 | lcuk | to potentially allow some kind of recorvy? |
| 15:28.24 | lcuk | recovery |
| 15:29.05 | NooBmonk3y | it is a great feature :) - no doubt, as the forums have been filled with the "i want portrait" brigade for a while ;) |
| 15:29.12 | NooBmonk3y | and what people want, MohammadAG gives ;) |
| 15:29.20 | MohammadAG | not only that |
| 15:29.30 | MohammadAG | lol, bad timing |
| 15:29.34 | NooBmonk3y | haha |
| 15:29.43 | NooBmonk3y | i'm actually almost crying with laughter lol |
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| 15:31.26 | MohammadAG | throws a banana at NooBmonk3y |
| 15:31.52 | NooBmonk3y | grins |
| 15:32.54 | lcuk | watches as NooBmonk3y deftly chops the banana into pieces, drops it into the blener and passes the mush onwards to mrs NooBmonk3y to produce an awesome cake out of |
| 15:33.04 | lcuk | blender as well :P |
| 15:33.24 | NooBmonk3y | lcuk, she made coffe cream chocolates at 7am this morning, what a breakfast ;) (I just asked her to leave out the coffee heehee) |
| 15:33.39 | lcuk | yeah coffee in a cup |
| 15:33.45 | lcuk | not in a cake |
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| 15:33.48 | lcuk | that is just wrong |
| 15:34.04 | lcuk | i once ate a coffee cream out of a box of chocs |
| 15:34.26 | lcuk | i had to dig in the entire box to find the antidote |
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| 15:34.52 | kerio | wat |
| 15:36.13 | NooBmonk3y | lol! |
| 15:37.17 | lcuk | NooBmonk3y, who was the lovely lady that responded to your FF |
| 15:37.22 | lcuk | is it someone you work with? |
| 15:37.37 | NooBmonk3y | oh, my chief exec lol |
| 15:37.42 | lcuk | :D heh |
| 15:37.48 | NooBmonk3y | she is lovely |
| 15:37.54 | NooBmonk3y | if a bit margaret thatcheresque |
| 15:38.02 | NooBmonk3y | got bigger balls then the rest of the board put together |
| 15:38.31 | lcuk | o_O |
| 15:40.17 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 15:40.47 | kerio | metaphorically speaking? |
| 15:41.56 | NooBmonk3y | supposedly :p |
| 15:43.08 | NooBmonk3y | she has actually taken to blogging damn well though |
| 15:43.16 | NooBmonk3y | she has a work blog, and has done so well to ignore the rants, quite impressed |
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| 15:43.30 | otwieracz | Hello. |
| 15:43.43 | NooBmonk3y | hello |
| 15:45.29 | Venemo | hi |
| 15:45.37 | otwieracz | I'm looking for someone with working cross-compilation environment for Diablo 5.2008.43-7. |
| 15:45.56 | otwieracz | *Or* I'm looking for help to set-up that environment. |
| 15:46.24 | otwieracz | I need GPG plugin for Pidgin. |
| 15:46.59 | otwieracz | http://sourceforge.net/projects/pidgin-gpg/ â this one. |
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| 15:47.53 | lolloo | you need to compile one as far as I know. |
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| 15:48.27 | otwieracz | I already installed scratchbox and SDK - but what's next? |
| 15:48.51 | lolloo | mmm someone better thank me could answer that. |
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| 15:51.21 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=889833#post889833 |
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| 15:59.22 | lolloo | MohammadAG, you are a saint! |
| 15:59.55 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, GROAN |
| 15:59.57 | MohammadAG | doesn't go well with my name, sorry :P |
| 16:00.12 | alterego | feels schleepy |
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| 16:00.29 | lcuk | GAN900Ugh, sinus infection. |
| 16:00.29 | lcuk | SpeedEvilAre you sure it's not a cosine infection? |
| 16:00.29 | lcuk | merlin_1991whatabout tangent? |
| 16:00.33 | lolloo | hehehe |
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| 16:00.55 | MohammadAG | reads alterego a book |
| 16:00.55 | lcuk | ~lcuk |
| 16:00.55 | infobot | you are, like, a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. |
| 16:00.57 | lolloo | MohammadAG, sorry! |
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| 16:01.10 | lcuk | oooh who wrote that? :D |
| 16:01.13 | MohammadAG | lol why apologize? :P |
| 16:01.22 | MohammadAG | ~factinfo lcuk |
| 16:01.22 | infobot | lcuk -- created by qwerty12_N810 <n=faheem@78-86-35-231.zone2.bethere.co.uk> at Mon Aug 31 21:54:33 2009 (460 days); last modified at Thu Apr 15 05:09:37 2010 by crashanddie!~cb09b989@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie; it has been requested 5 times, last by lcuk, 27s ago. |
| 16:02.00 | lcuk | ta mo |
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| 16:04.20 | Venemo | ~MohammadAG |
| 16:04.20 | infobot | methinks mohammadag is your father |
| 16:04.23 | Venemo | :D |
| 16:04.25 | Venemo | ~Venemo |
| 16:04.25 | infobot | it has been said that venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo |
| 16:06.24 | Venemo | the ~MohammadAG is lol |
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| 16:09.40 | alterego | ~alterego |
| 16:09.48 | alterego | burn! |
| 16:10.09 | alterego | I'm not as renowned obviously :) |
| 16:10.39 | Venemo | ~alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question |
| 16:10.39 | infobot | okay, Venemo |
| 16:10.44 | Venemo | ~alterego |
| 16:10.45 | infobot | rumour has it, alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question |
| 16:10.58 | alterego | :D awww, thank you :D |
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| 16:11.04 | Venemo | yw :P |
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| 16:28.18 | alterego | Oh crap .. |
| 16:30.33 | trx | is there a way my app can use liblocation without "satelite" icon appearing in the status bar? |
| 16:31.58 | Venemo | trx: no |
| 16:32.14 | Venemo | trx: that is because the user deserves to know that you're siphoning his battery with the GPS |
| 16:32.20 | Venemo | alterego: what is crap? |
| 16:32.33 | alterego | I wrote over a couple of .qml files .. |
| 16:32.39 | alterego | So I lost some progress :( |
| 16:32.47 | Venemo | alterego: :( |
| 16:33.03 | trx | Venemo that would be in user's best intrerest |
| 16:33.30 | trx | as i am making an app which would make the phone send you the co-ords if you get it lost/stolen |
| 16:34.22 | trx | i need that so the "thief" doesnt see anything suspicious |
| 16:34.28 | trx | and turn off the phone... |
| 16:36.04 | trx | so there is no way? |
| 16:42.14 | Venemo | trx: well you must hack around this stuff then |
| 16:42.21 | Venemo | trx: somehow hide the status bar icon |
| 16:43.36 | trx | yeah |
| 16:43.56 | Venemo | trx: sounds like an extensive hacking, but not impossible |
| 16:44.52 | trx | couldnt i get the handle of the status bar window and its children |
| 16:45.08 | trx | find the one i need and send the WS_INVISIBLE of w/e |
| 16:45.18 | trx | im not familliar with linux so much :/ |
| 16:47.05 | frals | i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p |
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| 16:47.17 | trx | or that :D |
| 16:47.18 | frals | or if everything goes down because it doesnt have proper errorhandling ;) |
| 16:47.48 | trx | an app like this i really nessesary if u live in country like serbia |
| 16:48.01 | trx | where cops dont give a ... for you phone :) |
| 16:48.03 | Venemo | trx: frals's idea is good |
| 16:48.27 | trx | i will try it out, thank you |
| 16:52.28 | cos^ | trx: umm, there is already such app, smscon |
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| 16:52.55 | trx | i wasnt aware of that |
| 16:53.51 | NooBmonk3y | trx, possible to only do it when the phone is not in-use (ie wait for the timeout?) |
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| 16:54.22 | NooBmonk3y | but to be honest, i dont think they'd realise quick enough what is happenning |
| 16:54.47 | NooBmonk3y | or do it, and pop a message up saying "System check complete" lol |
| 16:54.55 | trx | lol |
| 16:54.57 | trx | yeah :) |
| 16:55.13 | trx | im just exploring all the options |
| 16:55.26 | trx | to see what can and cant be done.. |
| 16:55.30 | NooBmonk3y | if they realise what is happenning i'm sure they would know how to remove the baseapp :P |
| 16:55.55 | Venemo | trx: also make your app not showing up in the application manager |
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| 16:56.23 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo, just turn the phone into an iPhone, most n900 thifs would then just chuck it.... "bahhhh got a 100 of them" |
| 16:56.39 | trx | lol |
| 16:56.40 | NooBmonk3y | s/thifs/theifs/ |
| 16:57.04 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: what is a 'theif'? :P |
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| 16:57.32 | trx | Venemo that is also a good idea, ill try that too |
| 16:57.33 | NooBmonk3y | thief meh |
| 16:58.26 | trx | cos^ that is a good program |
| 16:58.42 | trx | but it looses the purpose if some1 changes the sim card |
| 16:59.56 | trx | my idea is to have the app check the server each eg 6 hours and see if tracking is on |
| 17:00.08 | trx | if not, check again in 6 hours |
| 17:00.20 | trx | or if yes, start sending the co ords |
| 17:00.21 | nidO | if you mean smscon, it handles sim card changes |
| 17:00.33 | trx | it does? |
| 17:00.43 | nidO | you can set smscon with an email address and contact number, and itll email/text you if the sim card's changed |
| 17:00.59 | trx | thats good |
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| 17:11.55 | bash` | hi, can someone help me integrating maemo in qtcreator? |
| 17:12.05 | kerio | bash`: i use you as my shell! ^_^ |
| 17:12.18 | bash` | kerio: I use zsh :P |
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| 17:15.03 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: were you the one who questioned why is there a gconf process? |
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| 17:16.38 | Venemo | netsplit! great! |
| 17:16.54 | kerio | freenode! |
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| 17:19.24 | ibansal | hi everyone |
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| 17:20.10 | ibansal | i made the moon activity available in debian and ubuntu and wish to port the same to maemo. Can anyone help me in this. Any help would be highly appreciated |
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| 17:21.01 | Venemo | ibansal: do you have a specific question about it? |
| 17:21.49 | trx | [17:47] <frals> i would start with just renaming the satellite icon temporary and see if it works :p |
| 17:21.52 | trx | haha it works |
| 17:21.53 | trx | :D |
| 17:22.23 | Venemo | ibansal: do you want to make it a homescreen applet or a full-sized application? |
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| 17:22.26 | trx | maybe i should just leave the icon but change it to a smiley or stmh :D |
| 17:22.33 | Venemo | ibansal: other question: is it based on Qt or Gtk? |
| 17:22.34 | ibansal | Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python |
| 17:23.09 | Venemo | ibansal: I have not tried this yet, but NooBmonk3y may be able to help you with packaging a Python application |
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| 17:23.22 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: help him :P |
| 17:24.03 | ibansal | Venemo, thanks |
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| 17:24.11 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, around? |
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| 17:24.18 | Venemo | ibansal: does the application itself work on Maemo? |
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| 17:25.15 | ibansal | Venemo, i am a bit new to maemo so i dont know exactly. But i think it should as maemo also supports pygtk and python. |
| 17:25.25 | ibansal | can you tell me on how can i check it ? |
| 17:25.39 | Venemo | ibansal: try running it with python (eg. from the terminal) |
| 17:26.00 | Venemo | ibansal: copy the python file to the device and start it as you would start it on a desktop computer |
| 17:26.22 | Venemo | ibansal: eg. 'python mystuff.py' or something like that (I'm not familiar with Python development, sorry) |
| 17:26.48 | ibansal | Venemo, okay |
| 17:27.49 | NooBmonk3y | kinda |
| 17:27.57 | NooBmonk3y | here for 10 mins before heading out for dinner |
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| 17:28.25 | NooBmonk3y | ibansal, healthcheck (currently in extras) is a qt/gtk'ish front end (99% qt) and python backend though |
| 17:30.22 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, sorry can you elaborate exactly what do you mean |
| 17:31.02 | NooBmonk3y | <ibansal> Venemo, can you refer to me a any already packaged package on maemo which has its front end on pygtk and back end on python << i was just saying that my app isnt GTK (in whole), so not sure if thats what you where asking? |
| 17:32.01 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, okay you were refering to your app healthcheck right? |
| 17:32.49 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, my app isn't GTK in whole but uses some of the features of gtk |
| 17:33.00 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh, well whats your actual question? :) |
| 17:35.15 | alterego | giggles like a little girl. |
| 17:35.31 | alterego | This is the first practical application I've made with QML ^.^ |
| 17:36.47 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, i just want a app already packaged for maemo for reference so that i can package my app accordingly |
| 17:37.31 | NooBmonk3y | ibansal, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/healthcheck/1.2.0-3/ |
| 17:37.39 | NooBmonk3y | well done alterego :) |
| 17:37.40 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, thanks |
| 17:37.51 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, is the "find sex" maemo app? hehehe |
| 17:38.00 | alterego | Heh, no |
| 17:39.03 | NooBmonk3y | aghhhhh late for dinner at the inlaws |
| 17:39.12 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, can you give me a link to any packaging guide for maemo on how we can port app from debian to maemo |
| 17:40.22 | NooBmonk3y | ibansal, never used one, i used the brains from this place as it was my first ever go :P |
| 17:40.36 | ibansal | NooBmonk3y, okay |
| 17:40.41 | ibansal | guess i would be doing the same |
| 17:40.44 | NooBmonk3y | back laters alls :) |
| 17:41.31 | merlin1991 | ibansal: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging |
| 17:41.52 | ibansal | merlin1991, thanks |
| 17:42.55 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: it's a QML based user interface for lircd |
| 17:43.13 | NooBmonk3y | oooooooooo |
| 17:43.15 | NooBmonk3y | i wanna see :) |
| 17:43.18 | NooBmonk3y | but later |
| 17:43.20 | alterego | Should make it easy for people to hack together pretty interfaces for remote controls. |
| 17:43.22 | NooBmonk3y | agghhh so so late! |
| 17:43.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 17:43.56 | alterego | I've got TV, XBOX360 and Laptop :) |
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| 17:59.03 | Arkenoi | no more free service from nuevasync. it sucks. |
| 17:59.16 | steinex | Arkenoi, yeah. |
| 17:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: yes, I don't like the concept of gconfd |
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| 18:09.26 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: recently I discovered what its purpose is |
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| 18:15.39 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: GConf can notify you about settings changes in realtime, that's why gconfd is for |
| 18:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | I know, and my notion is "useless feature" |
| 18:19.05 | Venemo | :D |
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| 18:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | a) there's *very* few settings relevant and common to a large number of processes, and b) usually you already have a central process used and shared by those, like e.g. X, and c) there are things like inotify |
| 18:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | New FBReader crashes on start |
| 18:23.12 | GeneralAntilles | Great. |
| 18:24.04 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: makes sense |
| 18:24.26 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: so basically they should have used one of the existing processes for this, right? |
| 18:26.50 | alterego | I wonder if I have low level access to the XPS M1530 CIR receiver .. |
| 18:26.53 | Jaffa | Arkenoi: Erminig works well |
| 18:27.01 | alterego | Would be cool if I could use it as a training remote. |
| 18:28.37 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, do you know how to get the blue/gray text in QPushButtons as per http://i54.tinypic.com/o5niub.jpg ? |
| 18:31.21 | alterego | MohammadAG_: they only go blue when the button is asociated with a pick selector. |
| 18:31.36 | alterego | If you set the text yourself it's grey. |
| 18:31.52 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: those are Gtk widgets, not Qt ones |
| 18:32.05 | MohammadAG_ | Venemo, I saw colombus does it, and Qt buttons should be able to do it :P |
| 18:32.11 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, how do I set it myself? |
| 18:32.14 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: yeah. |
| 18:32.18 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: that's right |
| 18:32.25 | alterego | MohammadAG_: setValueText |
| 18:32.47 | Arkenoi | jaffa: well, having two separate things for calendar and contacts sync suck. |
| 18:32.58 | Arkenoi | i'd petter pay $12 to nuevasync |
| 18:34.01 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, doesn't seem to be a QPushButton method |
| 18:34.16 | Venemo | QMaemo5ValueButton maybe? |
| 18:34.24 | Venemo | or something like that |
| 18:34.37 | MohammadAG_ | sigh, Maemo 5 specific :P |
| 18:34.59 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: yep, seems so |
| 18:35.05 | alterego | Oh, yeah, sorry it's QMaemo5ValueButton ;) |
| 18:38.20 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: basically right |
| 18:39.24 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: M1530? |
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| 18:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: how about using hostmode and a IrDA dongle? |
| 18:43.46 | Jaffa | Arkenoi: Meh, I don't sync contacts; and Erminig is nice, GUIificated and does multiple calendars. |
| 18:43.48 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: that's creative thinking :D |
| 18:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | No clue what a XPS M1530 CIR receiver |
| 18:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | is |
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| 18:47.56 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, and how do I center text? |
| 18:48.10 | alterego | MohammadAG_: setValueLayout() |
| 18:48.46 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: M1530 is my laptop |
| 18:48.56 | alterego | Dell XPS M1530 |
| 18:51.18 | MohammadAG_ | #ifdef it is :P |
| 18:51.32 | MohammadAG_ | your laptop has a CIR? |
| 18:51.34 | MohammadAG_ | oh, receiver |
| 18:51.38 | MohammadAG_ | prolly for MCE then |
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| 18:52.23 | alterego | Yeah |
| 18:52.32 | alterego | Got a nice remote, which I've got a lircd conf for. |
| 18:52.43 | alterego | Was just wondering if I could use it for training. |
| 18:52.58 | MohammadAG_ | which reminds me |
| 18:53.17 | MohammadAG_ | can I use that type of CIR to make remote files? |
| 18:53.26 | MohammadAG_ | has one sitting here, no use on Ubuntu |
| 18:53.30 | alterego | Well, that is what I Was wondering :P |
| 18:53.45 | MohammadAG_ | oh, thought you already did that :P |
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| 18:55.33 | lolloo | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:55.42 | lolloo | recommend* |
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| 18:58.44 | MohammadAG_ | what app? |
| 18:59.31 | lolloo | the one that nokia didn'tdo but you did it my awesome friend! |
| 18:59.33 | lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66586 |
| 18:59.58 | lolloo | although it says incompatibil package cant install. |
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| 19:00.28 | lolloo | I hate app amanger! omg |
| 19:00.41 | lolloo | I don't know why I keep using it! |
| 19:00.43 | lolloo | my bad! |
| 19:02.17 | lolloo | now I can show-off my phone to my friends! hehe |
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| 19:08.30 | MohammadAG_ | lol I was discussing something with Venemo (not sure if he wants to talk about it here - at least at the moment) and it came to my mind |
| 19:09.06 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG_: i saw you having made a package in one of your posts, is that post "better" than the instructions you gave in the opening post? |
| 19:09.35 | MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, status menu? it has 6 lines as requested above it |
| 19:10.14 | mikki-kun | you gave instructiuons for how to install it in the first post and then later you posted a plain link to a package ;) |
| 19:11.04 | mikki-kun | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=889966&postcount=17 |
| 19:11.28 | mikki-kun | is that a reference to a new one? |
| 19:12.22 | MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, read the post above it |
| 19:12.46 | mikki-kun | ahhhh, ok, so that link has the +6 lines :) |
| 19:13.08 | mikki-kun | i got a little confused by it, sorry and thanks :) |
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| 19:16.39 | mikki-kun | that is just plain awesome! :D |
| 19:17.29 | mikki-kun | is there some kudos bot or such idling in this channel? i need to give somebody kudos for a great package |
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| 19:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: MohammadAG_: look at LIRC's site, there's quite some data on how to use CIR for learning IR codes |
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| 19:20.59 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: sweet. |
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| 19:22.47 | MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, yw :) |
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| 19:24.24 | mikki-kun | you added one crucial thing nokia forgot... in phone-mode, when you have the logs, you can't just say "ohhhh well, i will quickly change to skype" when it is fixed to portrait mode... now that works :) |
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| 19:26.28 | SpeedEvil | I have enabled the browser portrait/landscape mode, and it works. |
| 19:26.50 | Jay_BEE | howdy |
| 19:26.51 | SpeedEvil | Is there a way to allow the other two orientations to work? |
| 19:27.02 | mikki-kun | hu? |
| 19:27.20 | mikki-kun | you mean holding the device up-side down? |
| 19:27.48 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 19:28.06 | mikki-kun | there should be a package which allows that all the time |
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| 19:28.19 | mikki-kun | but it really isn't recommended imo |
| 19:28.33 | mikki-kun | it'll make your n900 go spinning ^^ |
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| 19:41.09 | MohammadAG_ | SpeedEvil, that's kinda interesting |
| 19:41.38 | MohammadAG_ | wonders if adding it in hildon-desktop is possible |
| 19:45.09 | alterego | I like that feature in the image viewer, good when using it to show things to others'. |
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| 19:50.10 | MohammadAG_ | suggests writing Qt 1:1 copies of some apps on Maemo 5 |
| 19:50.48 | alterego | Like what apps? :) |
| 19:50.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: we could simply use MeeGo's apps |
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| 19:51.19 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, phone would be a start |
| 19:51.30 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:51.36 | alterego | Any reason why? |
| 19:52.05 | MohammadAG_ | it's painfully slow |
| 19:52.11 | MohammadAG_ | and not OSS |
| 19:52.15 | mikki-kun | isn't hildon painfully slow at times? |
| 19:52.27 | mikki-kun | ahhh and what is also slow is the email client |
| 19:52.57 | mikki-kun | seems that if you have too many mail it needs to reread all of them again |
| 19:53.12 | Venemo | mikki-kun: it is not just slow, it is (quoted from Stskeeps) utter crap |
| 19:53.14 | mikki-kun | not like it has a continiously growing list |
| 19:53.18 | mikki-kun | :D |
| 19:53.28 | MohammadAG_ | hildon is quite fast |
| 19:53.44 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG_: aren't those apps part of hildon as well? |
| 19:53.50 | MohammadAG_ | the lack of VSync coupled with the fact that GTK is slower than Qt, makes the phone app slow, compared to other apps |
| 19:54.03 | mikki-kun | gtk is slower than qt?! |
| 19:54.16 | Venemo | well I wouldn't bet on that one |
| 19:54.19 | alterego | Noticing quite a bit of tear in my QML stuff. |
| 19:54.26 | mikki-kun | let's not start the fanboy-wars here :D for some apps qt is better, for some gtk :) |
| 19:54.29 | Pavlov | that is a pretty generic statement |
| 19:54.29 | alterego | It's a bit annoying, but I don't care too much. |
| 19:54.30 | MohammadAG_ | compare scrolling in a long list |
| 19:54.34 | kerio | lies |
| 19:54.39 | Pavlov | anything can be slower than anything else depending on what you're doing with it |
| 19:54.41 | MohammadAG_ | Qt > GTK here |
| 19:54.41 | alterego | mikki-kun: that's not true at all :P |
| 19:54.45 | kerio | liqbase > else |
| 19:55.13 | MohammadAG_ | can't be a fanboy there btw, I use Qt on maemo, GTK on my desktop so.. yeah |
| 19:55.15 | alterego | If we didn't have Qt built into the root image, then Gtk would be better, but as we do .. |
| 19:55.23 | mikki-kun | well, i don't honestly care if gtk or qt, i am using mostly cli-based stuff ^^ |
| 19:55.30 | Pavlov | (Qt is probably more optimized than Gtk for mobile, but totally depends on what you're doing) |
| 19:55.46 | MohammadAG_ | Pavlov, +1 there |
| 19:55.49 | alterego | I don't think it depends at all. |
| 19:55.55 | Venemo | judging them from scrolling framerate is not a good idea. anyway, since the Phone app at least works, it shouldn't be high priority |
| 19:55.59 | alterego | They both do the same thing, well, Qt does a lot more. |
| 19:56.02 | mikki-kun | i made my previous statement as a general one, not specifically pointed towards the n900 :) |
| 19:56.03 | alterego | And is easier. |
| 19:56.09 | Pavlov | that wasn't what was stated |
| 19:56.14 | Venemo | alterego++ |
| 19:56.15 | Pavlov | it was stated that Qt was faster than GTK |
| 19:56.17 | alterego | Which makes it better for most things. What would you need Gtk+ for if Qt is available? |
| 19:56.19 | MohammadAG_ | Venemo, I wanted something not in the phone app |
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| 19:56.30 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: what is that? |
| 19:56.31 | alterego | It probably is for quite a few things .. |
| 19:56.31 | MohammadAG_ | I forgot what it was right now, but suppose I do, I can't add it |
| 19:56.34 | Pavlov | which one does more or is easier to use doesn't factor in to that at all |
| 19:56.43 | lcuk | alterego, you would need gtk+ if you have an existing application or strongly dislike c |
| 19:56.49 | lcuk | c++ ^ |
| 19:56.50 | mikki-kun | what i would want to see is an improvment in the front-facing camera... |
| 19:57.03 | alterego | lcuk: yes, fair enough. But that's not what they're arguing. |
| 19:57.27 | mikki-kun | lcuk: i strongly dislike c++ as it ain't doing what i want it to do =p |
| 19:57.43 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: well if MeeGo's phone app works, then let's use that |
| 19:58.10 | MohammadAG_ | doubtful |
| 19:58.10 | MohammadAG_ | it uses ofono |
| 19:58.10 | alterego | mikki-kun: I'd suggest that is a problem with you and not C++ :P |
| 19:58.10 | mikki-kun | anybody here maybe who might want to help me there with an assigment i am supposed to hand in? ^^' |
| 19:58.10 | lcuk | meegos phone app ties into different layers Venemo |
| 19:58.12 | lcuk | so its not just a case of the ui ontop |
| 19:58.15 | mikki-kun | i cannoit get what the errors mean |
| 19:58.16 | lcuk | but the whole stack underneat |
| 19:58.18 | lcuk | h |
| 19:59.10 | MohammadAG_ | a complete media player rewrite would be nice |
| 19:59.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 19:59.23 | Venemo | how about MeeGo's media player |
| 19:59.26 | mikki-kun | use mplayer as the base i guess |
| 19:59.31 | MohammadAG_ | but I doubt anyone is up to the task of doing so, and releasing it as OSS |
| 19:59.46 | MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, mafw is fine, the UI isn't |
| 19:59.54 | mikki-kun | mafw? |
| 19:59.55 | MohammadAG_ | mikki-kun, such crap can be fixed if it was OSS |
| 20:00.09 | MohammadAG_ | backend |
| 20:00.17 | mikki-kun | ahhhh |
| 20:00.28 | alterego | mafw is nice. |
| 20:00.49 | mikki-kun | can't we just use the backend or does it specifically need the frontend then as well? |
| 20:00.59 | alterego | It also allows better integration. If you get rid of using mafw, then one of my apps will no longer work either :P |
| 20:01.10 | alterego | No, any app can use mafw. |
| 20:01.25 | mikki-kun | so why not just "write" a new frontend for it? |
| 20:01.33 | lcuk | writing a media player is like Hello World |
| 20:01.35 | lcuk | everyone tries it |
| 20:01.48 | alterego | Can't say I have :P |
| 20:01.51 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, no one succeeds in making it feature rich |
| 20:02.13 | kerio | except the amarok guys |
| 20:02.19 | RevdKathy | There are lots of other things that need sorting in Meego - mplayer works fine. |
| 20:02.19 | mikki-kun | we have mplayer which manual holds more than 5k lines... |
| 20:02.24 | MohammadAG_ | wants a complete rewrite of the mediaplayer |
| 20:02.28 | kerio | who make a fork of emacs that plays music instead of editing text files |
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| 20:02.30 | MohammadAG_ | 1:1, but in Qt |
| 20:02.40 | MohammadAG_ | RevdKathy, talking about Maemo |
| 20:02.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: PM'd you |
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| 20:03.06 | MohammadAG_ | or Nokia needs to stick to their promises and OSS crap, or stop making promises |
| 20:03.10 | mikki-kun | wants a complete rewrite of maemo |
| 20:03.13 | MohammadAG_ | Venemo, sorry, was zoomed in with compiz |
| 20:03.19 | Venemo | np :P |
| 20:03.31 | lcuk | MohammadAG_, if you are talking about Qt |
| 20:03.35 | lcuk | you are talking about both |
| 20:03.41 | lcuk | if done correctly of course |
| 20:04.36 | ds3 | arrggg, android is annoying |
| 20:04.53 | lcuk | we already know that, hence the channel.. |
| 20:05.00 | ds3 | anyone recall how complete was the old Mer stuff? |
| 20:05.15 | alterego | Want some more cool app ideas to do in QML .. |
| 20:05.31 | ds3 | lcuk: yes, it was added frustration from actually spending time on Android after experiencing the Maemo for years |
| 20:05.34 | alterego | Small things though, as I'm still working on Columbus at the moment ;) |
| 20:05.35 | luke-jr | MohammadAG_: when did Nokia promise? |
| 20:05.44 | luke-jr | MohammadAG_: seems to be all the fanboys |
| 20:05.47 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, I know! sex app! |
| 20:05.57 | ds3 | somehow they manage to make a N800 class android device slower then an N800 :/ |
| 20:05.58 | mikki-kun | who will code that one? :D |
| 20:05.59 | MohammadAG_ | luke-jr, sec |
| 20:06.11 | alterego | Neah. |
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| 20:06.25 | MohammadAG_ | luke-jr, read http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66275 |
| 20:06.40 | lcuk | ds3 lol, its easy to bring any device to its knees |
| 20:07.10 | lcuk | it takes the collective work of many to make a system that runs well. |
| 20:07.14 | ds3 | makes one want to try to ressurect Mer |
| 20:07.42 | lcuk | it never died, it is merely resting |
| 20:07.52 | lcuk | or as w00t_ would say ;) pining for the fjords :P |
| 20:07.56 | MohammadAG_ | this might be over my head, but Qt apps show scrollbars and can use kinetic scrolling at the same time, would editing libhildon work? |
| 20:08.01 | MohammadAG_ | why am I asking, it should work |
| 20:08.10 | lcuk | would be better in gtk itself |
| 20:08.26 | Venemo | editing libhildon to do what? |
| 20:08.41 | MohammadAG_ | to show scroll bars |
| 20:09.00 | MohammadAG_ | scrolling through 700 songs is kinda of a pain in the *** |
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| 20:09.06 | RST38h | Mohammad: in theory, yes |
| 20:09.28 | MohammadAG_ | start any Qt app with -style cleanlooks |
| 20:09.29 | RST38h | Mohammad: Scrollbars were removed from hildon gtk+ on some "ux expert" whim |
| 20:09.51 | RST38h | not removed, disabled, I should say |
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| 20:09.54 | MohammadAG_ | you can use a stylus with a scroll bar, and kinetic scrolling at the same time |
| 20:10.00 | MohammadAG_ | so it's just hidden from the UI |
| 20:10.31 | lcuk | strongly dislikes not knowing where in a list am upto |
| 20:11.00 | Venemo | lcuk, the scoll bar appears, we just can't interact with it |
| 20:11.15 | lcuk | Venemo, i mean at a glance |
| 20:11.23 | lcuk | when actually looking back to device with a list on it |
| 20:11.30 | lcuk | after the scroll has faded |
| 20:11.55 | Venemo | oh, I agree with that |
| 20:12.14 | lcuk | has transparent blue knob |
| 20:12.20 | lcuk | and, yes I have seen a doctor |
| 20:14.25 | alterego | lcuk: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201247.png |
| 20:14.31 | alterego | & http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101205-201252.png |
| 20:15.00 | alterego | Well, and anyone else who's interested :D |
| 20:15.10 | alterego | That's the UI for my QML based lirc frontend. |
| 20:15.29 | lcuk | nods |
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| 20:15.38 | lcuk | looking nice |
| 20:15.53 | lcuk | are the colors tints or are they hardcoded into the button glyphs themselves? |
| 20:15.56 | alterego | Yeah, it's okay. |
| 20:16.00 | alterego | tints |
| 20:16.04 | kerio | cool |
| 20:16.25 | alterego | Button {icon: "rss_reader_move_up"; command: "UP"; color: "#6f1f3f"} |
| 20:16.31 | alterego | That's how you define a button. |
| 20:16.39 | timeless_mbp | alterego: ooh, shiny |
| 20:16.40 | alterego | You can use icon or label. |
| 20:16.48 | timeless_mbp | alterego: what's PRV? |
| 20:17.06 | alterego | Previous Channel |
| 20:17.13 | alterego | Basically "Back" button. |
| 20:17.14 | timeless_mbp | alterego: what's the button to the left of 'up'? |
| 20:17.19 | RST38h | Ahhahaha |
| 20:17.22 | alterego | MY system menu |
| 20:17.31 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 20:17.34 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 20:17.40 | alterego | RST38h: ? |
| 20:17.42 | timeless_mbp | i'd probably swap that w/ the mute button |
| 20:17.46 | timeless_mbp | you have 4 audio buttons |
| 20:17.53 | timeless_mbp | presumably one is louder, one is quieter |
| 20:17.55 | RST38h | Stupid games do play sound at last |
| 20:17.56 | timeless_mbp | one is mute |
| 20:18.00 | timeless_mbp | what's the fourth? |
| 20:18.17 | alterego | timeless_mbp: yeah, I'm gonna get some better icons and move things around into more logical layout. |
| 20:18.21 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, I might have something for you |
| 20:18.23 | alterego | sound menu |
| 20:18.25 | RST38h | Had to update Z80 core to the latest changes, the version I had was a bit stale |
| 20:18.26 | MohammadAG_ | give me a minute or so |
| 20:18.46 | alterego | Mute is oddly position, but the left column otherwise is pretty logical. |
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| 20:19.33 | alterego | You just set "command" to whatever the command is in your lircd.conf file |
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| 20:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: what's the advantages of this frontend over (qt)irreco? |
| 20:22.40 | alterego | QtIrreco is horrible? |
| 20:22.49 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
| 20:22.58 | MohammadAG_ | it is :P |
| 20:23.14 | alterego | Well, my intention is to distribute something that will allow people to write their own QML remote files. |
| 20:23.26 | alterego | I just supply a bit of a framework to do it. |
| 20:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | I never looked into qtirreco, but irreco works just fine for me |
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| 20:24.16 | MohammadAG_ | irreco > qtirreco |
| 20:24.54 | alterego | Well, People will also be able to use Qt Designer to build their remote qml files too .. |
| 20:25.06 | alterego | But I'm doing it because I had nothing better to do and I didn't get along with Qt Irreco |
| 20:25.57 | alterego | Well, that's not true. It was an itch m'kay?! :P |
| 20:25.58 | DocScrutinizer | I guess, using your png, it would take significantly less than 1h to define a remote under irreco that looks absolutely identical to what you linked above |
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| 20:26.54 | alterego | m'hrm |
| 20:27.00 | alterego | With pretty animations? |
| 20:27.05 | alterego | And stuff? |
| 20:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
| 20:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | a remote with animations?? o.O |
| 20:27.29 | alterego | Well, my buttons glow. |
| 20:27.34 | alterego | When you press them. |
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| 20:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, so that's the advantage over irreco then |
| 20:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | ok, if that's worth it |
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| 20:28.43 | alterego | Well, I don't know irreco, so I don't know of any advantage. |
| 20:28.52 | alterego | All I'm doing is exposing irsend to QML |
| 20:29.02 | MohammadAG_ | users like to have a choice |
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| 20:29.41 | dhean_diana | dude u want this http://www.1filesharing.com/download/UKSU96DW/psyBNC2.3.2_1.rar |
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| 20:29.41 | alterego | It might be a nice place for users to get into QML hacking. |
| 20:29.45 | MohammadAG_ | if everyone asked what the advantage was over something else, we'd be stuck with one distro, with one shell, and no UI |
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| 20:30.32 | alterego | You mean windows? |
| 20:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | I actually more often than not hate to have a choice between too many options when each of them is missing a bit that is implemented in another, just because some guys weren't able to merge their efforts |
| 20:30.58 | MohammadAG_ | alterego, nice way to put it :P |
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| 20:31.34 | MohammadAG_ | spammer was reported in #freenode fyi |
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| 20:32.36 | nox- | moin |
| 20:34.52 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: totally agreed |
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| 20:37.37 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: when you say "with that png" you mean, sing my rendered UI as the background image for some remote? |
| 20:38.06 | alterego | Which is kind of cheating :P |
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| 20:41.12 | DocScrutinizer | rendered UI, background img?? |
| 20:41.55 | alterego | Well, I was just wondering if you meant use my screenshot, that png, as the "skin" for an irreco remote? |
| 20:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | I just say I need to use the same png skins for widgets that your UI does, as otherwise I have to do weeks of photoshop editing to "copy" them |
| 20:42.09 | alterego | Which would mean, that irreco was just using a cached QML UI still :P |
| 20:42.22 | alterego | My UI doesn't use PNG skins .. |
| 20:42.38 | alterego | Those Buttons are actually rendered .. |
| 20:42.39 | DocScrutinizer | oh! I suppose that's another advantage |
| 20:42.41 | markinfo | I wanted on my OS2008 update pidgin - but it writes "libhildon-extras1 is missing" i found this one: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libhildon-extras1/ but I do not know what of this packages should be installed. |
| 20:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | runs away, screaming |
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| 20:43.24 | markinfo | or there are necessary to activate some additional Packages? |
| 20:43.26 | MohammadAG_ | shrugs |
| 20:43.35 | markinfo | repositories. |
| 20:43.40 | MohammadAG_ | I broke libhildon, and everything's closing down (obviously) |
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| 20:45.56 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: what did you do to poor libhildon? |
| 20:46.09 | MohammadAG_ | made fade out timeout = 0 |
| 20:46.14 | Venemo | hm |
| 20:46.20 | MohammadAG_ | anything with scrollbars dies |
| 20:46.28 | crashanddie | "As Arctic blizzards swept across southeast England, stranding hundreds in their cars and bringing motorways to a virtual halt in whiteout conditions, Kent police received a strange call on their emergency number. "I haven't been out to check on him for five hours but I went outside for a fag (cigarette) and he's gone," said the female caller." |
| 20:46.46 | crashanddie | "When the operator asked who had gone she replied: "My snowman. I thought that with it being icy and there not being anybody about he'd be safe." |
| 20:47.23 | MohammadAG_ | o_O |
| 20:48.02 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: honestly, are you surprised? :P |
| 20:48.10 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Must have been something other than a cigarette she was smoking :) |
| 20:48.53 | crashanddie | don't transfer the ails of your country to the next, X-Fade |
| 20:49.24 | MohammadAG_ | Venemo, no |
| 20:49.24 | X-Fade | crashanddie: Hey, it makes for a nice export project. And we tax it ;) |
| 20:49.31 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: k :P |
| 20:50.01 | crashanddie | X-Fade: well, taxing and controlling what really is going on are probably the main areas of "bonus" to legalise it, I guess |
| 20:50.20 | MohammadAG_ | I changed MOTION_EVENTS_PER_SECOND from 25 to 60, and the device kinda feel smoother |
| 20:50.25 | X-Fade | wow, occupational word slipped in there ;) s/project/product/ |
| 20:50.50 | MohammadAG_ | or it's that shitty human psychology kicking in |
| 20:52.17 | markinfo | can be Meego installed on Nokia n810? |
| 20:53.30 | MohammadAG_ | ask in #MeeGo |
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| 20:53.43 | MohammadAG_ | X-Fade, did you get any replies from the SDK team about the on device SDK image? |
| 20:53.54 | Venemo | markinfo: not really, but some things are being done to port it |
| 20:54.17 | X-Fade | MohammadAG_: Yes, but now I need to talk to legal ;) |
| 20:55.00 | MohammadAG_ | how long do those take to reply, if ever? :P |
| 20:55.28 | markinfo | what can be done best with Nokia n810? It seems that some programm are not more updated. |
| 20:55.44 | crashanddie | markinfo: that's because the device is old and the OS has been abandonned |
| 20:56.06 | luke-jr | not really that old |
| 20:56.13 | luke-jr | wasn't N900 just released in 2009? |
| 20:56.25 | markinfo | bat it has such big display and big keyboard, stylus .... |
| 20:56.31 | luke-jr | oh, N810 |
| 20:56.43 | luke-jr | markinfo: but too little RAM, too closed, etc |
| 20:56.53 | luke-jr | markinfo: only Nokia can really update it, and they don't want to |
| 20:57.10 | luke-jr | markinfo: you could run Gentoo if you like |
| 20:57.17 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, ping |
| 20:57.34 | MohammadAG_ | got a package of libhildon which should always show the scrollbar once it's visible :P |
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| 20:59.23 | markinfo | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 "Boot into XFCE4 on N810 with working keyboard ... " it seems great - but will be this reality? |
| 20:59.52 | crashanddie | markinfo: this is #maemo, not #meego |
| 21:00.06 | crashanddie | markinfo: if you have questions directly related to Meego, please ask them in that channel |
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| 21:02.33 | MohammadAG_ | lcuk, also seems to make scrolling smoother, need someone else to confirm that though |
| 21:06.53 | Venemo | markinfo: ask on #meego - Stskeeps should know more |
| 21:07.11 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: gimme gimme |
| 21:07.40 | MohammadAG_ | again, it might be my mind bullshitting me |
| 21:08.08 | Venemo | MohammadAG_: again, gimme gimme |
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| 21:10.43 | MohammadAG_ | Venemo, this isn't tmo-public yet http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/libhildon1_2.2.23-1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 21:11.04 | MohammadAG_ | replacing libhildon might cause global warming |
| 21:11.33 | Venemo | warming? |
| 21:11.39 | Venemo | device exploding? |
| 21:11.50 | rsc_ | hi guys |
| 21:12.10 | MohammadAG_ | works fine for me :) |
| 21:12.23 | rsc_ | i'm looking for someone that can help me |
| 21:12.25 | rsc_ | :P |
| 21:12.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | grrr |
| 21:13.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu; kill -9 29255; 29255 root 2084 D /bin/sh /etc/dbus-scripts-scripts/playswoosh :1.13 nu |
| 21:14.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | and of course dbus-scripting doesn't play sound anymore, on opening kbd slider |
| 21:14.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | blames PA |
| 21:15.00 | rsc_ | I want to change the default virtual-keyboard, with an application... |
| 21:15.21 | rsc_ | is it possible? |
| 21:16.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | I wonder what the bogus :1.13 nu part is |
| 21:18.16 | rsc_ | ehm...no one can help me? XD |
| 21:18.19 | MohammadAG_ | seems to be a reply from dbus |
| 21:18.22 | MohammadAG_ | or part of it |
| 21:18.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG_: yep |
| 21:18.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | kinda bug in ps |
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| 21:19.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | or bug in the process' environment |
| 21:19.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | rsc_: probably not |
| 21:19.42 | MohammadAG_ | FUCKING KERNEL-POWER |
| 21:19.43 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# ls /sys/class/leds/ |
| 21:19.44 | MohammadAG_ | twl4030:vibrator |
| 21:19.44 | MohammadAG_ | Nokia-N900:~# |
| 21:20.23 | MohammadAG_ | and it's my device, so it's not a non 2101 issue! |
| 21:20.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | rsc_: afaik vkbd is closed source |
| 21:20.49 | rsc_ | DocScrutinizer: i saw that exists a way to change the virtual one, but i wish to start FastSMS from there |
| 21:21.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | sure it's not |
| 21:21.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's matan's idiotic patch to lp5523.ko |
| 21:21.38 | MohammadAG_ | ooh |
| 21:21.46 | MohammadAG_ | scrolling's acceleration can be increased |
| 21:22.32 | MohammadAG_ | ever since I disassembled my device, death gripping (!111111!!!!1) it increases signal |
| 21:22.44 | MohammadAG_ | sends device to Apple for inspection, it should do the opposite |
| 21:23.03 | rsc_ | DocScrutinizer: thank you |
| 21:23.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry I can't help. Keep asking here occasionally, maybe others can give better advice |
| 21:24.10 | rsc_ | perhaps w00t_ can help me |
| 21:24.30 | rsc_ | but he seems to be afk |
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| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~lart messybox and its crippled useless ps |
| 21:27.42 | infobot | accelerates a free AOL cd to 50,000 rpm and lets messybox and its crippled useless ps feel it |
| 21:27.58 | crashanddie | ouch |
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| 21:28.44 | ShadowJK_ | remembers a time before busybox, when small linuxen used an elaborate grep|sed|awk instead of ps |
| 21:28.48 | alterego | I've had a better idea .. |
| 21:28.55 | alterego | Users like "apps" |
| 21:28.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's the gnu pkg containing proper ps? |
| 21:29.13 | MohammadAG_ | please, no fart apps |
| 21:29.16 | ShadowJK_ | coreutils perhaps |
| 21:29.16 | alterego | Maybe I should use my framework to write an XBox media remote control |
| 21:29.17 | MohammadAG_ | gps? :P |
| 21:29.33 | ShadowJK_ | or procps |
| 21:29.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | I doubt that's the pkg name |
| 21:30.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | gps |
| 21:31.57 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer51: procps is the filename |
| 21:32.09 | crashanddie | http://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents&keywords=bin%2Fps&mode=&suite=maverick&arch=any |
| 21:32.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK_: I got coreutils-gnu |
| 21:32.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | no proper ps |
| 21:35.30 | ShadowJK_ | DocScrutinizer, procps |
| 21:36.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | procps: not found |
| 21:36.30 | ShadowJK_ | :) |
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| 21:40.44 | SpeedEvil | gps? |
| 21:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | bash: gps: command not found |
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| 21:46.47 | Venemo | good evening guys :) |
| 21:47.35 | SpeedEvil | Evening. |
| 21:48.17 | rsc_ | bye bye all |
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| 21:50.52 | lolcat | Hello |
| 21:50.59 | lolcat | Can I run bitcoin on my N900? |
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| 21:51.30 | crashanddie | lolcat: doesn't look like it |
| 21:51.57 | lolcat | Why not? :( |
| 21:52.58 | crashanddie | well, they only provide binaries for x86 and amd64 |
| 21:53.08 | crashanddie | but you can try to compile it / port it |
| 21:54.56 | Ramie | quit |
| 21:55.06 | Ramie | exit |
| 21:55.12 | crashanddie | Ramie: fail |
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| 21:58.19 | crashanddie | lolcat: you really shouldn't be supporting bitcoin |
| 21:58.40 | lolcat | crashanddie: Why not? |
| 21:58.53 | crashanddie | because it's a system that is bound to fail at some point |
| 22:00.18 | crashanddie | lolcat: once that the 21 million bitcoins have been generated, the only incentive people will have to use it will be to demand fees on block generation |
| 22:00.55 | SpeedEvil | Isn't 21 million way too few? |
| 22:01.13 | crashanddie | that is my initial feeling as well |
| 22:01.34 | crashanddie | even though I've worked on a lot of crypto projects, bitcoin is one of those that I always looked at with a coy smile |
| 22:01.44 | lolcat | crashanddie: Or to hide money, launder money, and such... |
| 22:02.05 | lolcat | The N900 is arm? |
| 22:02.10 | crashanddie | lolcat: and how far do you think 21 million coins will stretch? |
| 22:02.56 | crashanddie | lolcat: say the US government accepts tax payments in bitcoins. I expect they would only need 10 years before they've gathered 90% of the coins in circulation |
| 22:03.05 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 22:03.18 | SpeedEvil | Technically, a Bitcoin can be divided down to 8 decimals, so 0.00000001 BTC is the smallest possible amount. For convenience, the program currently accepts only 2 decimal places. |
| 22:03.51 | lolcat | crashanddie: How can you tax it if you cant identify the owner? |
| 22:04.04 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: I know, loads of room for deflation :D |
| 22:04.26 | lolcat | What CPU does the N900 use? |
| 22:04.27 | crashanddie | lolcat: I'm not saying taxing the payments themselves, I'm saying if they accept it as a form of payment |
| 22:04.58 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: They can tax 'real' cash just fine. |
| 22:05.06 | SpeedEvil | lolcat: ARM |
| 22:05.51 | lolcat | SpeedEvil: Real cash they can find, the money in bitcoin is hidden, no bank or anything to tell you have them |
| 22:06.19 | crashanddie | I haven't seen the practical use of bitcoins at the moment |
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| 22:06.42 | crashanddie | it's a nice idea, without a proper and fundamental idealogy behind it |
| 22:07.09 | crashanddie | s/ideal/ideol/ |
| 22:11.57 | lolcat | crashanddie: Money laundering |
| 22:12.27 | MohammadAG | lcuk, k, libhildon package i posted makes scrolling smoother, more cpu-intensive |
| 22:17.25 | alterego | implements some weird QML item that allows setting child elements properties. |
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| 22:23.45 | ShadowJK_ | lolcat, Omap3 SOC with Cortex A8 CPU core |
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| 22:28.18 | jacekowski | i recently looked into new compaq pc |
| 22:28.25 | jacekowski | desktop |
| 22:28.29 | jacekowski | and there was nothing inside |
| 22:28.41 | jacekowski | motherboard with 2 chips on it |
| 22:28.45 | jacekowski | + cpu |
| 22:28.51 | jacekowski | + some passives |
| 22:28.57 | lolcat | ShadowJK_: What? |
| 22:29.25 | jacekowski | it's more integrated than other stuff that is called SoC |
| 22:29.39 | jacekowski | lolcat: google |
| 22:29.40 | trumee | anybody expert on xchat colors in N900. Currently, xchat lights up the channel tab in red on message. can it be changed so that it only displays red when my nick is mentioned? |
| 22:29.50 | ShadowJK_ | lolcat, you asked about the CPU |
| 22:30.04 | trumee | *red on any message. |
| 22:30.17 | lolcat | ShadowJK_: Oh, I got that answered with simply: ARM xD |
| 22:30.51 | trumee | Red color is what konversation shows on my desktop. |
| 22:31.06 | lcuk_idea | trumee, settings/interface/colors |
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| 22:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: looked into color presets of xchat? |
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| 22:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: settings -> preferences -> [Colors]: Interface Colors: New message:; Highlight:; |
| 22:36.27 | trumee | lcuk, DocScrutinizer: that did it |
| 22:36.41 | trumee | swapped the two colors. |
| 22:36.54 | DocScrutinizer | ponders to change his settings while he's there |
| 22:37.24 | DocScrutinizer | nah, got used to it |
| 22:37.48 | trumee | Konversation shows red color, so got used to it. |
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| 22:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | on Konversation, yes :-D |
| 22:38.46 | trumee | Red is more distracting than yellow. wanted to keep it to minimum. |
| 22:38.59 | DocScrutinizer | yellow?? |
| 22:39.15 | jacekowski | yellow is barely visible on n900 screen |
| 22:39.31 | luke-jr | I'm about to buy Atom instead of ARM ⦠|
| 22:39.31 | trumee | yes. new message was sort of yellowish for new message. |
| 22:40.01 | DocScrutinizer | umm, I have no yellow used here for anything |
| 22:40.06 | trumee | I have fire or flame dark theme for xchat. |
| 22:40.06 | chx | konversation is ported to N900????? |
| 22:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 22:40.27 | luke-jr | chx: it's just a recompile |
| 22:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | barely |
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| 22:41.04 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: if we omit the implied "Maemo" ⦠:D |
| 22:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 22:41.28 | luke-jr | http://www.fit-pc.com/web/fit-pc2/fit-pc2i-specifications/ |
| 22:41.35 | luke-jr | show me an ARM system that compares :/ |
| 22:41.38 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I say barely and not "absolutely not" |
| 22:41.54 | jacekowski | lolcat: n900 |
| 22:41.56 | trumee | is there any way to scroll through word-completion choices? |
| 22:42.15 | lolcat | jacekowski: What are we talking about? |
| 22:42.33 | luke-jr | lolcat: n810 |
| 22:42.40 | jacekowski | not you |
| 22:42.44 | jacekowski | luke-jr: n900 is better |
| 22:42.49 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no, it isn't. |
| 22:42.57 | jacekowski | yes it is |
| 22:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: word completion is a piece of malware |
| 22:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: you should get rid of it |
| 22:43.13 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, why? |
| 22:43.14 | luke-jr | jacekowski: N900 has much slower CPU, less RAM, less USB, no SATA, no Ethernet, etc |
| 22:43.15 | darkschneider | trumee: if you discover let me know :D |
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| 22:43.24 | jacekowski | luke-jr: you have no idea how slow atom is |
| 22:43.29 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, sometimes it is useful. |
| 22:43.30 | lolcat | luke-jr: N810 has sata? And ethernet? |
| 22:43.37 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: rarely |
| 22:43.43 | luke-jr | lolcat: no |
| 22:43.47 | jacekowski | lolcat: 600MHz omap3 is comparable with 1.6GHz atom |
| 22:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: usually it's mindboggling and annoying |
| 22:43.59 | luke-jr | jacekowski: 2 GHz Atom > 1.6 GHz Atom |
| 22:44.07 | jacekowski | well |
| 22:44.14 | trumee | wonders how iphone uses it. |
| 22:44.15 | lolcat | I dont understand why someone wanted to drag me into this discussion in the first place |
| 22:44.16 | luke-jr | :P |
| 22:44.20 | jacekowski | then you can go for apple tv |
| 22:44.37 | luke-jr | jacekowski: I'm looking for a router+PBX+torrent box |
| 22:44.47 | jacekowski | 1GHz ARM |
| 22:44.50 | jacekowski | 512M of ram |
| 22:44.53 | jacekowski | for £99 |
| 22:44.55 | trumee | ios without hw keyboard probably use it a lot. |
| 22:45.07 | darkschneider | lolcat: http://bec-systems.com/site/326/intel-atom-vs-ti-omap3 |
| 22:45.10 | luke-jr | jacekowski: Ethernet? USB? Open? |
| 22:45.13 | luke-jr | SATA? |
| 22:45.16 | jacekowski | ethernet yes |
| 22:45.17 | jacekowski | usb yes |
| 22:45.24 | jacekowski | open - kinda sort of ish |
| 22:45.34 | jacekowski | you can jailbreak it |
| 22:45.44 | luke-jr | so not at all |
| 22:45.55 | luke-jr | open means I can run a 100% GPL system on it |
| 22:46.01 | lolcat | darkschneider: Why are you telling me this? I haven't disagred, I don't really care, and I don't want to discuss this. |
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| 22:46.19 | darkschneider | lolcat: eheh sorry then, i should have missread :) |
| 22:46.45 | lolcat | Okey |
| 22:47.08 | jacekowski | lolcat: but it's 4x cheaper |
| 22:47.31 | lolcat | C'mon! |
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| 22:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | laughs at jacekowski's ETAB and the confusion arising of it |
| 22:48.28 | jacekowski | ETAB? |
| 22:48.31 | jacekowski | ~dict ETAB |
| 22:48.37 | luke-jr | lolcat: I think fit-PC2i still wins |
| 22:49.00 | luke-jr | jacekowski: error codes tend to be E<something> you mis-tabbed |
| 22:49.07 | luke-jr | so, ETAB |
| 22:49.19 | lolcat | luke-jr: Over what? |
| 22:49.26 | luke-jr | lolcat: anything comparable? |
| 22:49.47 | lolcat | Have I claimed something else? |
| 22:49.47 | luke-jr | *Plug, OpenRD*, PandaBoard, Fuulong, Excito, RouterBoard |
| 22:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ETAB := [2010-12-05 23:41:54] <jacekowski> lolcat: n900 |
| 22:49.53 | luke-jr | lolcat: shrug |
| 22:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | why are you pestering lolcat ?? |
| 22:51.41 | lolcat | I am deeply confused as to what made me a part of this discussion. I dont even understand haf of it. I bougth my N900 only because insurance was paying and it was expencive. I know the harware isnt superior, but it isn't really a issue for me. I like it because it is cool and expencive and I can rant about how free it is. End of discussion. I dont care about the hardware! |
| 22:51.45 | jacekowski | because he's confusing my irssi |
| 22:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: jacekowski did a faulty tab expansion to lolcat instead of luke-jr |
| 22:52.27 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: And now it never ends? :S |
| 22:52.35 | DocScrutinizer | then everybody thought - for unknown reason - you ware the initiator of this weird discussion |
| 22:52.52 | luke-jr | XD |
| 22:52.54 | lolcat | How weird |
| 22:53.01 | lolcat | It confused me |
| 22:53.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/ ware / were / |
| 22:53.42 | lolcat | Suddenly everyone was convincing me about benifits of diffrent types of hardware |
| 22:53.47 | jacekowski | and you just admited to insurance fraud |
| 22:53.52 | DocScrutinizer | lolcat: should I kick them, for highlight spamming you? :-D |
| 22:53.54 | luke-jr | LOL |
| 22:54.13 | lolcat | DocScrutinizer: Nah, just forcepart me and I'll come back later xD |
| 22:54.45 | lolcat | jacekowski: No, they said my old N97 was worth 5500NOK, the N900 was only 5000NOK, so they saved 500NOK |
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| 22:58.24 | jacekowski | N900 is worth more than n97 |
| 22:59.10 | jacekowski | where was that dsme file that had information about latest restart reason |
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| 23:01.58 | kerio | 900 > 97 |
| 23:03.28 | GAN900 | I'm so tired of broken Telepathy plugins. |
| 23:05.34 | Scald | should i get n900 for christmas? |
| 23:06.30 | johnx | Scald, no |
| 23:06.40 | Scald | n900 it is! |
| 23:06.49 | johnx | woo! |
| 23:07.05 | Scald | i passed the test |
| 23:07.54 | johnx | yup. I guess you want it enough that you've already convinced yourself |
| 23:08.19 | trumee | GAN900, what plugin broke? |
| 23:09.07 | trumee | GAN900, i am having some weird issues with gtalk. It shows contact as offline few minutes into the chat. |
| 23:09.12 | Scald | johnx: yea i guess.. i'd just like to hear some "user experiences" |
| 23:10.06 | johnx | Scald, being specific will get you a long way :) |
| 23:10.38 | luke-jr | Scald: it's a dead platform |
| 23:11.08 | johnx | luke-jr, alternatives besides "wait for something else"? |
| 23:11.13 | Scald | luke-jr: no more active community? |
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| 23:11.39 | luke-jr | johnx: dunno â¹ |
| 23:11.48 | johnx | Scald, Nokia's putting all the future effort behind meego, which won't be "officially" supported on the N900 |
| 23:11.50 | Scald | yea i dont really care for waiting for some unknown awesome future phone |
| 23:11.51 | luke-jr | Scald: I wouldn't say no more, but not as much |
| 23:11.54 | johnx | that's why I said "no" |
| 23:12.00 | luke-jr | Scald: N900 isn't a phone |
| 23:12.06 | Scald | luke-jr: i know |
| 23:12.28 | Scald | tell me is the community still somewhat active? |
| 23:12.38 | johnx | seems like it |
| 23:12.41 | johnx | check out talk.maemo.org |
| 23:13.02 | thp | no, don't check out talk.maemo.org. the SNR will scare you away ;) |
| 23:13.04 | luke-jr | johnx: talk.maemo.org counts as community? |
| 23:13.07 | johnx | but the writing is already on the wall. Meego will be out sometime in 2011 I guess. first half of the year if I had to guess |
| 23:13.17 | darkschneider | Scald: apart the techincal things i find myself well with N900, i use mainly it's phone and agenda and as alarm clock, with occasional ssh connections to server for administration and occasional gps navigation. Considering the proce drop, it's not a bad product at all |
| 23:13.44 | Scald | darkschneider: yup.. i need a new geek toy :D |
| 23:13.51 | johnx | luke-jr, meh |
| 23:14.06 | thp | Scald: if you are looking for a geek toy, look no further. future meego devices are most likely not as hackable as the n900 |
| 23:14.06 | luke-jr | Scald: N900 made a lot of the community leave and/or declare they will never buy Nokia again |
| 23:14.42 | johnx | luke-jr, and this is different from other vendors in what way? |
| 23:14.52 | darkschneider | Scald: i admit i personally do not understand why people lament about the phone... it worked for me. It is heavy, true, but as much as an Icrap. Navigation og interent works pretty well if you are reasonable that you are on a such small device |
| 23:14.59 | Scald | well the n900 seems to be a very potential device (even though its getting older) |
| 23:15.02 | luke-jr | johnx: I'm not making a comparison. |
| 23:15.19 | luke-jr | Scald: it would have potential if it were open |
| 23:15.50 | johnx | depending on what you want to do with it, it may or may not be open enough. if you want to be hacking at a level very close to the hardware, it's not quite open enough |
| 23:15.55 | darkschneider | Scald: nonetheless i used it as a mobile hotspot on occasion and as a playing platform or usb key... let's say it does LOT of stuff in one device, maybe not all the things at the best. but still you can carry just ONE device around |
| 23:15.56 | GAN900 | johnx, wouldn't bother with the double quotes. |
| 23:16.36 | GAN900 | johnx, N900 isn't getting MeeGo in a useful way at all unless a big direction shift takes place with the existing efforts or a lot of people start pushing that way. |
| 23:16.39 | Scald | yea im no hacker.. i do some occasional ssh tasks etc |
| 23:16.42 | luke-jr | darkschneider: do note that the mobile hotspot function doesn't quite work |
| 23:17.06 | darkschneider | luke-jr: it worked before upgrade |
| 23:17.26 | luke-jr | darkschneider: intermittantly |
| 23:17.37 | darkschneider | luke-jr: but true that it's 3-4 weeks it's broken, but i think it's goign to be fixed, i'm sure :) |
| 23:17.44 | GAN900 | trumee, AIM |
| 23:17.47 | johnx | GAN900, what makes you say that? did Stskeeps, etc get pulled off the project or something? |
| 23:18.19 | Scald | but does, say, firefox still get updates for the n900? |
| 23:18.25 | darkschneider | luke-jr: do not missunderstand me, i'mnto saying it's the best device around. just that it does pretty much stuff in a decent way, not perfect, but still most of the stuff i could not do it it wasn't for it |
| 23:18.29 | GAN900 | johnx, it's fairly clear THAT effort is only to get an ARM development platform. |
| 23:18.40 | luke-jr | Scald: Firefox doesn't run on N900/Maemo⦠|
| 23:18.47 | ShadowJK_ | Well, vanilla MeeGo in itself seems a bit useless :) |
| 23:18.49 | GAN900 | There's no interest there in providing day-to-day functionality. |
| 23:19.04 | johnx | Scald, the firefox for maemo is a bit slowish. probably won't ever be fast ... |
| 23:19.04 | Scald | luke-jr: doesn't it? :O |
| 23:19.18 | Scald | johnx: yea that was just an example |
| 23:19.20 | darkschneider | luke-jr: ??? has firefox stopped working??? |
| 23:19.33 | nox- | luke-jr, fennec does |
| 23:19.54 | nox- | (tho it still seems to `eat ram like candy' :) |
| 23:20.02 | luke-jr | darkschneider: never did? |
| 23:20.04 | Scald | what i meant was since nokia isn't interested in the device anymore, are any of the software developers still interested? |
| 23:20.05 | johnx | GAN900, I don't see you on meego-arm ... |
| 23:20.06 | GAN900 | It's Mer all over again. |
| 23:20.08 | darkschneider | luke-jr: i admit i use it rarely cause the reduced one works best, and i'm too lazy to go to the phone just now and try it, but last time firefox was fine :D |
| 23:20.14 | GAN900 | Except with more corporate money. |
| 23:20.29 | luke-jr | Firefox barely runs on my desktop, I can't imagine it runnign on N900 |
| 23:20.29 | GAN900 | johnx, what am I gonna bring to the table there? |
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| 23:20.34 | darkschneider | luke-jr: works |
| 23:20.45 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: It runs OK |
| 23:20.52 | darkschneider | luke-jr: last time i used it on the mofo it was working. do you havet he phone actually? |
| 23:21.07 | johnx | GAN900, you're not following status updates, but you're still telling me that there's no progress |
| 23:21.17 | johnx | so pardon me if I don't really care about your PoV in this case |
| 23:21.18 | nox- | its called fennec tho not firefox |
| 23:21.25 | GAN900 | johnx, I didn't say there wasn't any progress. |
| 23:21.28 | nox- | its the mobile `branch' |
| 23:21.29 | johnx | nox-, says firefox under the icon for me ;) |
| 23:21.36 | luke-jr | darkschneider: I have a N900, which isn't a phone, yes. |
| 23:21.48 | luke-jr | Fennec != Firefox |
| 23:21.53 | GAN900 | The point was made pretty firmly in Dublin that the goal is only to provide a dev platform. |
| 23:21.55 | johnx | GAN900, whatever. this conversation isn't going anywhere productive |
| 23:22.28 | GAN900 | johnx, evidently not. |
| 23:22.48 | johnx | huh? |
| 23:23.06 | GAN900 | Which point? |
| 23:23.49 | johnx | GAN900, aaah, I thought you were disagreeing with me, saying that conversation *is* going somewhere productive :) |
| 23:24.11 | darkschneider | luke-jr: mmm, somehow my character does not suit with your way of expressing :) I feel like you want to have some of your sentences "fall from above" and are "granted" :) but it's only a feeling, so correct me if it's a wrong feeling :) |
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| 23:25.33 | GAN900 | johnx, not looking like something that's going to help people who actually want to use their devices. |
| 23:26.46 | johnx | GAN900, I think you might be misreading the situation a bit. At v1.1, MeeGo isn't really day-to-day usable on *any* hardware |
| 23:26.59 | GAN900 | Right |
| 23:27.22 | johnx | so there's two projects in progress 1) MeeGo development 2) specific N900 hardware support |
| 23:27.25 | GAN900 | And I'm not particularly optimistic about that situation improving. |
| 23:27.43 | johnx | Do you consider the N900 day-to-day usable with Maemo 5? |
| 23:27.49 | GAN900 | Yes |
| 23:27.59 | GAN900 | Frustrating at times, but very usable. |
| 23:28.04 | johnx | Do you think Nokia suddenly forgot how to make a usable phone OS? |
| 23:28.26 | BugBlue | no, they never learned what smartphones are |
| 23:28.35 | GAN900 | Harmattan HE is a different can of worms. |
| 23:28.47 | BugBlue | the whole symbian crap on smartphones was a real dissaster |
| 23:28.49 | GAN900 | Which I'm not particularly optimistic about, either. |
| 23:28.50 | johnx | GAN900, yeah. that's the more "Mer-like" one in my mind |
| 23:29.02 | BugBlue | more hidden features under buttons than a linux kernel has /proc entries |
| 23:29.51 | johnx | Hermattan HE seems like "hey, let's try and backport a half-proprietary distro that was specifically designed for a single piece of hardware back to an old device" |
| 23:30.16 | johnx | very mer-like, or 2008HE-like or 2007HE-like |
| 23:30.19 | alterego | I disagree, Symbian was the first smart phone os, no one knew what they were doing. And series 60 has and always has had more features out of the box than any other product. |
| 23:30.39 | ShadowJK_ | alterego, I'd say that Nokia missed "Smartphone 2.0" :-) |
| 23:30.48 | ShadowJK_ | Whereas they practically invented Smartphone 1.0 |
| 23:30.56 | alterego | Harmatten has a lot in common with meego, same touch framework |
| 23:31.06 | ShadowJK_ | (and US entirely skipped Smartphone 1.0 too) |
| 23:31.26 | alterego | If we can get a good set of community core apps for meego we should be set for a Harmatten like system. |
| 23:31.26 | FIQ | what is harmattan nowdays? |
| 23:31.33 | FIQ | will it actually be released and used? |
| 23:31.59 | johnx | FIQ, with the N9, yes |
| 23:32.16 | FIQ | Wasn't it supposed to have MeeGo 1.x? D: |
| 23:32.22 | alterego | Judging by Nokias input in the arm meego work, I'd say Harmatten is definitely their next target |
| 23:32.46 | FIQ | or maybe harmattan IS some release of MeeGo |
| 23:32.47 | johnx | FIQ, in a lot of ways, harmattan should be kinda similar to meego 1.2 |
| 23:32.58 | johnx | but they'd started it before meego existed |
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| 23:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | meeGo HE always been Hybrid Edition for me, and actually is 80% harmattan plus 20% meego native look-alike |
| 23:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | and it definitely id a futile effort, as it implements enough new stuff to be both of inferior quality and usability, as well as beeing too far away from real meego to ever see any bugfix effort. Nobody will be happy with it |
| 23:37.55 | johnx | DocScrutinizer++ |
| 23:38.15 | johnx | (keep in mind how often DocScrutinizer and I agree ... ) |
| 23:38.42 | johnx | not following upstream is basically a death sentence for a small project |
| 23:38.50 | alterego | I think that there will be a better upgrade path for the N9 |
| 23:39.10 | johnx | alterego, I think I'll wait and see :) |
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| 23:40.33 | GAN900 | alterego, I doubt it. |
| 23:40.40 | GAN900 | Nokia still doesn't get it. |
| 23:40.44 | mavhk | can you hit a moving target of every other smartphone OS if you don't commit the whole company to it? |
| 23:40.50 | GAN900 | Best not to get your hopes up. |
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| 23:43.27 | johnx | buying a device based on what you think a company might do in the future is always a wager with long odds |
| 23:43.52 | johnx | I know people who *still* think Apple will allow free-for-all 3rd part development at some point :D |
| 23:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'm afraid of Nokia rolling out N9 with "meego" HE, and thus both killing the N9 as it will receive devastating surveys,as well as meego at large |
| 23:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | while the irony is it's actually not any kinf of meego really |
| 23:46.00 | johnx | yeah, that worries me a bit |
| 23:46.24 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia would be better off rolling out N9 with maemo PR1.0.1-revised |
| 23:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | and clearly labeled as "PRELIMINARY" |
| 23:46.53 | johnx | and then do a major API-break? |
| 23:47.01 | johnx | not sure that's a terribly great idea either |
| 23:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | instead of burning both meego brand and N9 model reputation |
| 23:47.17 | johnx | Nokia's killed developer momentum over and over again |
| 23:47.27 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 23:47.37 | mavhk | they have no clue about software |
| 23:48.04 | DocScrutinizer | so either they roll out N9 soon, with *maemo*, or they wait until meego native is at productive state |
| 23:48.17 | johnx | mavhk, I think they're in the middle of figuring out the hard way that software needs to lead, not hardware |
| 23:48.32 | GAN900 | Big ships turn slow |
| 23:48.34 | mavhk | indeed |
| 23:48.45 | GAN900 | I doubt Nokia will ever really get that, though. |
| 23:48.46 | mavhk | apparently the hw people pick what sw they want |
| 23:48.54 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, or they'll split the difference and deliver harmattan, and we can just hope it'll be API compatible with meego |
| 23:48.55 | GAN900 | Maybe with the new managers. . . . |
| 23:49.06 | Jay_BEE | looks around and reads the scroll |
| 23:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: (compatible) that's been the promise since ages |
| 23:49.49 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, if they can do that, I think it might actually work out ok |
| 23:50.08 | mavhk | my n810 broke, I bought a droid |
| 23:50.16 | DocScrutinizer | not for meego-maemo-hybrid bastard |
| 23:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | it will be compatible to exactly NOTHING |
| 23:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | neither maemo, nor meego, nor even the wiki or manuals |
| 23:50.52 | GAN900 | Droids have such cheap hw |
| 23:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | not to talk about SDK |
| 23:51.25 | johnx | still has nightmares about the OS2007 and OS2008 "SDKs" |
| 23:52.15 | mavhk | n810 was more expensive than droid 1 on ebay, and only lasted 2 years |
| 23:52.47 | rm_you | oh hey john |
| 23:52.51 | rm_you | *oh hey johnx |
| 23:52.54 | johnx | hey rm_you |
| 23:53.09 | rm_you | GAN900: there's this guy here that i swear to god looks EXACTLY like you T_T |
| 23:53.28 | GAN900 | lol |
| 23:53.31 | rm_you | every time i go to lunch and he's there, i feel the urge to talk to him about Maemo |
| 23:53.35 | GAN900 | Weird |
| 23:53.38 | rm_you | and he stares at me blankly |
| 23:53.50 | rm_you | doppleganger! |
| 23:54.22 | rm_you | anywho, do you think it'd be worth it to dust off ABL at this point and actually bother porting it to like... meego? |
| 23:54.42 | rm_you | or do they finally support good backlight levels :P |
| 23:54.58 | rm_you | i don't understand how this concept is so difficult for them T_T |
| 23:55.11 | johnx | working on some hardware abstraction might be worth it |
| 23:55.28 | DocScrutinizer | rm_you: LCD backlight management is FUBAR |
| 23:55.38 | GAN900 | Netbook UX is useless |
| 23:59.06 | johnx | I wonder about the tablet UX |
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