| 00:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you actually MUST use 2.5mm^2 minimum, to keep parasitary resistance low |
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| 00:05.20 | ShadowJK | for 1m, 11.1V and maybe 500mA? :P |
| 00:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | (IR RX) or use a 3.5mm 4pin plug, and solder a 2k from ring3 to tip(ring1), and a phototransistor or photodiode from rting1 to ring4(GND) |
| 00:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | 11.1V?? O.o 500mA?? |
| 00:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | I thought you were talking about a true battery replacement, which mustn't have >100mR series parasitary |
| 00:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | preferably less |
| 00:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | and usually is like 4V @ 5A bursts |
| 00:09.41 | DocScrutinizer | our battery dummies at OM had a cable consisting of 40 1.5mm^2 braided for low inductive parasitary |
| 00:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 30, I never really counted them, but it was quite impressive |
| 00:14.23 | ShadowJK | No I have a 11.1V 4400mAh battery pack and some stuff to produce 5.35V 3A :-) |
| 00:14.40 | ShadowJK | and a usb port with d+/d- shorted :D |
| 00:14.47 | chx | oooooo |
| 00:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | aaah, so I suppose you connect this to the USB then |
| 00:14.53 | chx | is that commercailly available? |
| 00:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | chx: yes, Reisenweber Special Supply, built to order |
| 00:15.37 | chx | hahaha |
| 00:15.48 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:16.09 | ShadowJK | I don't have a good charger for it |
| 00:16.17 | ShadowJK | my 11.1V LiPo balance charger only outputs 800mA :P |
| 00:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 00:16.46 | trumee | anybody knows what Joikuspot Bouncer in Titans kernel does? |
| 00:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | you should charge each cell separately |
| 00:17.53 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, the charge plug has 4 wires and the charger takes 4 wires. Guess what it does |
| 00:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | could use a SPSM with 3 * 5V output 100W, plus 3 dedicated Li charger chips |
| 00:18.15 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:18.57 | ShadowJK | that's why it's called a "balance charger" |
| 00:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: *burp* what? |
| 00:19.19 | ShadowJK | It's probably Joikuspot's opensource kernel module rebuilt for titan's kernel? |
| 00:20.20 | trumee | was wondering if it will be possible to run Joikuspot on my custom kernel (stock +NAT support). |
| 00:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | meh, yoghurt sport |
| 00:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | a solution invented for systems unaware of proper WLAN management, backported to a system that has native such management |
| 00:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | it's like towing away a ferrari as you forgot it has a starter button |
| 00:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | "See! I made it *roll*!" |
| 00:25.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: since i paid for the app. might as well use it :) |
| 00:26.06 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, go use your rope, when you paid for it. Wait, didn't you pay for your Ferrari as well? |
| 00:27.08 | nox- | whats this Joikuspot do, the same as mobilehotspot? |
| 00:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | I wish I could say "good, at least it doesn't wear out the Ferrari engine that way" but... |
| 00:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: maybe you can sell it on ebay? :-P |
| 00:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: basically yes, at least the purpose is the same |
| 00:29.10 | nox- | i c |
| 00:29.25 | nox- | well mobilehotspot is in the repos |
| 00:29.26 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: I dont even have the deb file for it. Installed it directly from joikuspot website. |
| 00:29.34 | nox- | needs kernel-power tho afaik |
| 00:29.45 | trumee | nox-: never installed mobilehotspot. |
| 00:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure. Otherwise it might delete your beloved yoghurt |
| 00:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | and as you not even got a file to reinstall it... X-P |
| 00:30.49 | trumee | nox-: dislike kernel-power, puslse-audio eats too much cpu on it. |
| 00:31.42 | nox- | well i guess you could make a custom kernel with just the wifi ap mode bits... (has anyone?) |
| 00:31.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's probably no generic pk problem, but related to some odd patch to PA itself |
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| 00:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | that comes with pk |
| 00:32.03 | nox- | oh |
| 00:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | I can't see how PA cpu load is related to kernel |
| 00:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | I suspect that's the "no more stuttering" patch |
| 00:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | would fit |
| 00:33.47 | nox- | what patch is that? |
| 00:33.48 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i dont know, the whole reason i made my own kernel today was because of that issue |
| 00:34.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: stock kernel + NAT is what i wanted. Kernel-power did fit the bill, but pathetic cpu usage put me off. |
| 00:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: ask MohammadAG - he did several tests on that patch, and afaik he was first to do |
| 00:34.46 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: and now with my own kernel, i dont have this problem any more. |
| 00:34.59 | chx | while there are many disadvantages to joikuspot tying it to IMSI is the stupidest thing. ever. |
| 00:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | great, so you could check which patch introduces this problem for your own kernel - would be a rather appreciated analysis |
| 00:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | IMSI???? |
| 00:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | you mean IMEI? |
| 00:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | tying anything to IMSI *really* would be a mega-stupid thing |
| 00:38.00 | chx | DocScrutinizer: IMSI. Not IMEI. |
| 00:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | as IMSI changes on each registration at carrier network |
| 00:38.08 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: The past few hours have been very exhausting getting the kernel to work. Dont have the energy to break my kerne again. |
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| 00:38.19 | BugBlue | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Subscriber_Identity v.s. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Mobile_Equipment_Identity |
| 00:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | err, nope |
| 00:38.41 | DocScrutinizer | anyway it changes with SIM swap |
| 00:38.52 | chx | yes. |
| 00:38.53 | chx | correct. |
| 00:39.05 | BugBlue | ISMI is tied to the SIM, IMEI is tied to the hardware |
| 00:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG |
| 00:39.07 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: The kernel compilation is very slow using, fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b. is it possible to use multiple core during the compile? |
| 00:39.15 | chx | they tied it to SIM |
| 00:39.21 | BugBlue | if you get a replacement sim you het a new IMSI |
| 00:39.32 | BugBlue | hashtag: #epicfail |
| 00:39.36 | DocScrutinizer | what a crop of fools |
| 00:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sure it is. but then otoh, changing e.g. PA related config options will not rebuild the kernel AIUI, just a very low number of modules |
| 00:41.38 | chx | it is possible that only the trial was |
| 00:41.44 | chx | there is a lot of confusion out there |
| 00:42.12 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: can i do Make="make -j3" fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b to speed-up compilation? |
| 00:42.14 | chx | http://www.joiku.com/index.php?action=messages&mode=view&title_id=716 says Switching SIM cards is supported automatically so no license transfer needed there. |
| 00:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | yoghurt sport *IS* confusion, the whole operation principle is based on confusion |
| 00:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: nfc. looks good to me if it works like that |
| 00:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | anyway yoghurt sport is known to literally cok your device medium to welldone |
| 00:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | cook* |
| 00:45.01 | chx | heh it baked my E51 too |
| 00:45.21 | chx | not much choice ther.e |
| 00:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | there's a reported batery fatality on yoghurt + OC |
| 00:46.02 | DocScrutinizer | caused by overheating the cell |
| 00:46.28 | chx | oh nice! |
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| 00:47.40 | DocScrutinizer | to me that's a clear indication those yoghurt devels had no bloody F'ng clue about correct programming |
| 00:48.08 | nox- | and that while mobilehotspot already exists... |
| 00:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | first commandment, you MUST NOT bussy wait |
| 00:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | busy |
| 00:48.38 | trumee | nox-: mobilehotspot doesnt heat up the device? |
| 00:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | I think it does as well, maybe a bit less |
| 00:48.58 | nox- | at least id doubt it would busywait |
| 00:56.31 | chx | yeah, i guess just driving the wifi radio at top power for a prolonged time will cook the device |
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| 00:59.57 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, not entirely obvious which patch is related to PA in titans kernel |
| 01:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: :nod: A big problem |
| 01:00.39 | javispedro | capacitive sucks. |
| 01:00.45 | DocScrutinizer | YO |
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| 01:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | the great alternative to a 16 key kbd phone |
| 01:02.08 | trumee | ah! my everyday router reboot kicked in. |
| 01:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | not though for doing serious work |
| 01:02.34 | trumee | need to reboot router everyday so that sip doesnt become choppy |
| 01:02.48 | javispedro | it is a great problem, as probably _ALL_ meego handsets are going to be capacitive... |
| 01:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | hehe. No Probelm here, as DSL disconnects anyway every 24h. I could as well reboot the router, it wouldn't do any additional harm. NAT sessions are lost during DSL down |
| 01:04.51 | trumee | My cable connection is remarkably good. |
| 01:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | it's a joke. Originally this was invented to make IP change so you can't run proper server services via DSL. I got a fixed IP now, and still the 24h cut kicks in |
| 01:05.30 | nox- | eh? thats... sick |
| 01:05.33 | trumee | I think i had to adjust the udp timeout in my ddwrt based router to make sip happy. |
| 01:05.50 | nox- | 24h disconnect with a static ip i mean... |
| 01:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | t-kom, suckers |
| 01:06.12 | nox- | whats the point???? |
| 01:06.55 | nox- | all that does is making their static ip offering worthless |
| 01:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | their DSLAMs are configured to drop a connection after 24h. Even while my DHCP is by a separate provider now that offers fixed IP |
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| 01:07.44 | nox- | stupid |
| 01:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | I pay 10 bucks / month to manitu, just for the fixed IP |
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| 01:08.25 | ShadowJK | mobilehotspot/joikuspot is pretty bad for energy use. wifi runs at a constant 250mA, and then the 3g to actually move bytes using 300-700mA... |
| 01:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | plus the usual fee for t-kom DSL |
| 01:08.43 | ShadowJK | and then joiku used to use 100% CPU to render its UI :) |
| 01:08.51 | nox- | haha |
| 01:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | MUAAABWAHAHA |
| 01:09.05 | ShadowJK | the pretty speed graph that is |
| 01:09.12 | nox- | omfg |
| 01:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | didn't I say "clueless idiots" |
| 01:09.51 | ShadowJK | I'm pretty sure they thought "Hmm.. so we made it work.. but what are we going to do about all this spare CPU and the big 800x480 display?" |
| 01:10.04 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 01:10.09 | nox- | hahaha |
| 01:10.21 | DocScrutinizer | I hope they used it to render mandelbrot |
| 01:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | as a wallpaper for their GUI |
| 01:10.51 | ShadowJK | It's becoming a trend here for mobile ISPs to have massive "connectivity suites" |
| 01:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | means? |
| 01:11.35 | ShadowJK | Completely themed UI, sliding "Latest news" widgets attached to the main connectivity window, which is a big green button (like 512x512 px) to press to connect/disconnect |
| 01:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew |
| 01:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | feels like being exposed to a photo of george doublewho b. unadvertedly |
| 01:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. fighting the throw up |
| 01:13.27 | chx | oooh those are great |
| 01:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | *BURP* |
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| 01:17.08 | GAN900 | chuckles at European politics. |
| 01:17.51 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, what is the advantage of fixed ip? |
| 01:19.06 | nox- | connections stay up |
| 01:19.09 | nox- | or would... |
| 01:19.14 | trumee | dydns has been serving me for a few years now |
| 01:19.28 | DocScrutinizer | in theory it would allow me to have uninterupted connection to e.g. IRC. Alas as my NAT sessions go down on disconnect, the new port is not the old port so I have to re-register :-/ |
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| 01:20.34 | javispedro | you're not in control of the NAT? |
| 01:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | esp with this braindead ZyXEL router/NAT even for assigned ports the outbound connection is from origin port != dedicated port |
| 01:22.54 | nox- | right if you ran that in bridge mode and have a `real' box do the nat... |
| 01:23.00 | nox- | then your links may stay up |
| 01:23.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I have port forward e.g public:5060->LAPTOP:5060. Still my SIP client on laptop, when opening localhost:5060->sipprovider:5060, gets a NAT outbound port of xy != 5060 |
| 01:23.40 | javispedro | <zyxel-guy-who-designed-it>why you'd want? |
| 01:23.50 | javispedro | *want that |
| 01:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 01:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | natisbad |
| 01:24.21 | nox- | oldschool, using freebsd for routing/nat... |
| 01:24.37 | javispedro | is also using a zyxel device natting to a fixed ip |
| 01:26.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the zyxel "OS" isn't really bad. But buggy. And incredibly hard to configure. And basically undocumented |
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| 01:27.48 | DocScrutinizer | and the WLAN, on using WPA, reboots the whole device every ~15min |
| 01:28.10 | javispedro | come to think of it |
| 01:28.15 | javispedro | I'm no longer using a zyxel. |
| 01:28.16 | javispedro | =) |
| 01:28.35 | javispedro | d-link dsl-something |
| 01:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | ZyXEL was awesome in the times of 2400baud modems |
| 01:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | or 9600 |
| 01:29.05 | nox- | only had a zyxel pots modem once, 16k8... |
| 01:29.13 | nox- | heh |
| 01:29.29 | DocScrutinizer | yep, those were the devices that made ZyXEL a name |
| 01:30.03 | nox- | once i got adsl i let a freebsd box do the nat/routing, and have ever since here |
| 01:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | bult in POTS phone, incl TAM and all |
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| 01:32.41 | DocScrutinizer | anyway... ""ZyNOS Firmware-Version: V3.40(AHS.2)b5 | 05/25/2007"" -> SCREAM and *run*! |
| 01:34.50 | jacekowski | javispedro: you need STUN for that kind of crap |
| 01:35.06 | jacekowski | javispedro: and it's correct behaviour for NAT |
| 01:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | errr, hmm |
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| 01:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | STUN doesn't even work with ZyXEL class of NAT |
| 01:36.33 | jacekowski | but it shouldn't matter |
| 01:36.43 | jacekowski | as long you have port forwarding working |
| 01:37.03 | javispedro | what kind of crap? |
| 01:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | STUN fails with port forwarding, because... see above |
| 01:37.22 | javispedro | ah |
| 01:37.23 | jacekowski | that doesn't matter |
| 01:37.31 | jacekowski | it's RTP that's on 5060 |
| 01:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 01:37.41 | jacekowski | and as long as external stuff can connect to you on that port |
| 01:37.45 | jacekowski | it's all you need |
| 01:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | it's SIP on 5060 |
| 01:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | RTP is on arbitrary other ports |
| 01:38.08 | javispedro | jacekowski: that's actually my point -- "why you'd need it?". |
| 01:38.46 | javispedro | I could see a geek "Preferring" it |
| 01:38.56 | javispedro | (for ease of debugging, network monitoring, who knows) |
| 01:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | for sipgate e.g they suggest to use 5004..5007 |
| 01:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | for RTP |
| 01:39.42 | jacekowski | SIP is perfect example how not to design something to work reliably in real world |
| 01:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | actually the RTP ports are negotiated in SIP SDP |
| 01:41.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: actually NAT is that perfect example |
| 01:41.42 | jacekowski | NAT was here long time before SIP |
| 01:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | so what? still natisbad |
| 01:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | and manufacturers never seem to read BEHAVE |
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| 01:43.38 | Pauly | hi i need help dont know what to do. |
| 01:43.49 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.ietf.org/rfc/rfc4787.txt |
| 01:43.57 | Pauly | i bought a usb female to female |
| 01:44.25 | Pauly | and cant seem to get host mode working with any devices |
| 01:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 01:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | you are using most recent powerkernel, plus mohammad's GUI? |
| 01:46.05 | DocScrutinizer | you got a memstick or whatever with a LED and that LED lights up on hitting "VBUS" button in GUI? |
| 01:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | you had a look into dmesg? |
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| 01:46.54 | Pauly | yes |
| 01:47.03 | Pauly | just reflashed a week ago |
| 01:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | what's your unmae -a ? |
| 01:47.23 | Pauly | so problebly up to date power kernel |
| 01:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | uname -a |
| 01:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options |
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| 01:51.14 | Pauly | i think i should reflash maybe and start over |
| 01:51.41 | DocScrutinizer | I think you shouldn't ask for help if you're not prepared to answer questions |
| 01:52.05 | Pauly | what do you mean? |
| 01:52.31 | Pauly | u never asked a question? |
| 01:52.46 | Pauly | oh sry didnt see |
| 01:53.00 | DocScrutinizer | ok, I gave commands which you didn't obey - if that's what you want to hear |
| 01:53.26 | Pauly | yes a lil usb card reader lit up |
| 01:53.35 | Pauly | but nothing ever mounted |
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| 01:53.48 | Pauly | cant even get a keyboard to work |
| 01:53.57 | Pauly | :( |
| 01:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 02:46:14] <DocScrutinizer> you had a look into dmesg? |
| 01:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 02:47:22] <DocScrutinizer> what's your unmae -a ? |
| 01:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 02:47:26] <DocScrutinizer> uname -a |
| 01:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 02:50:11] <DocScrutinizer> just to make sure, also paste the result of >> cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |grep Options |
| 01:55.08 | nox- | Pauly, are you new to *ix? |
| 01:56.25 | Pauly | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:56.53 | Pauly | Linux Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Thu Nov 18 17:04:59 EET 2010 armv7l unknown |
| 01:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
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| 01:58.57 | mikki-kun | Pauly: you know for what to look in dmesg? |
| 01:58.57 | Pauly | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:59.05 | DocScrutinizer | good |
| 01:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | your h-e-n setup looks ok |
| 01:59.29 | Pauly | sry mouse cursor wouldnt let me type in this box |
| 02:00.08 | DocScrutinizer | you have most recent version of h-e-n installed? |
| 02:00.17 | Pauly | ya |
| 02:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | please try to connect a memory stick, then look into output of #> dmesg; and at end of that output search for lines containing "USB" |
| 02:01.32 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: maybe lsusb could say then a lil more about if the cables are "working" when connected to the device he wants to use |
| 02:01.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep, also a possible way to check |
| 02:01.59 | mikki-kun | at least even if not mounted a device should say "hey i am here to talk to" |
| 02:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:02.23 | Pauly | well i know card reader lit up |
| 02:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | that doesn't mean much. It only indicates VBUS was procided from N900 |
| 02:02.50 | mikki-kun | Pauly: faulty pins at the card-reader? had a bunch of those happenings in the past |
| 02:03.11 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: but neither would lsusb tell more, then dmesg is needed for further info |
| 02:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | errr yes |
| 02:03.32 | mikki-kun | i overlooked the fact he stated it got lit up |
| 02:03.34 | Pauly | even a simple usb keyboard wouldnt work |
| 02:03.52 | Pauly | so dmsg? |
| 02:04.02 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 02:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | or lsusb |
| 02:04.07 | mikki-kun | Pauly: i'd go and check there |
| 02:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | or both |
| 02:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | Pauly: do a dmesg, remember last timestamp |
| 02:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | then plug in any device and start hostmode |
| 02:04.57 | mikki-kun | dmesg | tail -n 30 |
| 02:05.01 | DocScrutinizer | then do dmesg again and check the new lines |
| 02:05.10 | mikki-kun | that would sort the last 30 messages from dmesg |
| 02:05.13 | DocScrutinizer | 30 might be too small |
| 02:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | might be more easily |
| 02:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | like 50 or 70 |
| 02:05.59 | mikki-kun | i reinserted my mouse and that got me 9 events with the disconnect |
| 02:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | I could give you a cmdline to do the lookup and sort out of new lines. But honestly it's easier you do it manually |
| 02:06.32 | Pauly | ok |
| 02:06.46 | Pauly | ima try keyboard |
| 02:06.52 | mikki-kun | ok, hdd gives me round 30 with partition tables and such... |
| 02:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | boot device, attach mouse, start h-e-n GUI, do dmesg for last line lookup, click the buttons in h-e-n GUI, check in dmesg for new lines |
| 02:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | Pauly: nota bene h-e-n isn't completely tested for stoping and restarting hostmode. That's why I recommend you boot and then do tests on first try |
| 02:09.09 | Pauly | i shall do so |
| 02:09.19 | Pauly | thanks |
| 02:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | you might do a #>dmesg | tail -n 100 >xxx.txt |
| 02:10.14 | mikki-kun | i guess i shall fo sleeping, again way too long awake, but this time getting to love my beautiful n900 more than hating it ^^ i guess i will soon use it for some emulators :) |
| 02:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | and pastebin that file xxx.txt and leave the pastebin URL here |
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| 02:10.48 | mikki-kun | DocScrutinizer: ">>" appends to the end of the file and might be better in case he wants to compare then later |
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| 02:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest he's using two files instead, if he really wants to compare anything |
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| 02:12.17 | mikki-kun | you want to get him using "touch file_3" diff -ru file_1 file2 >> file_3" ^^ |
| 02:12.21 | DocScrutinizer | I meant he's doing the dmesg|tail *after* trying to connect kbd though |
| 02:12.27 | mikki-kun | ahhh ok |
| 02:12.38 | mikki-kun | thought a before-after check |
| 02:12.44 | mikki-kun | to see if it even found anything |
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| 02:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not interested in anything before |
| 02:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | Pauly: you could do me a favour and close and reopen the N900 kbd slide immediately prior to hitting h-e-n GUI buttons |
| 02:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | will create a nice mark in dmesg |
| 02:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | then after trying to connect to the usb kbd, do the dmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt, and upload xxx.txt to pastebin.com or whatever service you like |
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| 02:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~pastebin |
| 02:16.13 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 02:16.24 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 02:16.26 | pauly_ | what was that cmd |
| 02:16.31 | javispedro | I think *one* service is enough |
| 02:16.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what's up? |
| 02:17.07 | pauly_ | Doc |
| 02:17.11 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 02:17.27 | pauly_ | what was that command i was supposed to type |
| 02:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg|tail -n 100 >xxx.txt |
| 02:17.42 | pauly_ | lol i rebooted and lost my clipboard |
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| 02:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | which will create a file xxx.txt, err mompls |
| 02:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg|tail -n 100 >~user/MyDocs/xxx.txt |
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| 02:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | which will create a file xxx.txt on your "N900" MyDocs storage |
| 02:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | you should be able to upload that file to pastebin.com |
| 02:19.40 | pauly_ | didnt work |
| 02:19.49 | pauly_ | can i paste here? |
| 02:20.32 | pauly_ | [ 333.522705] WARNING: at /home/builder2/maemo-fremantle-armel-extras-devel/work/kernel-power-2.6.28/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c:128 musb_h_tx_flush_fifo+0x94/0xcc()n[ 333.522735] Could not flush host TX0 fifo: csr: 000a |
| 02:20.49 | pauly_ | ???? |
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| 02:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | don't paste long passages here, everything >3 lines or so is considered spam and will earn you a kick |
| 02:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | pastebin.com is shit. has no file upload. I'm sure I've seen this option on other pastebin services |
| 02:22.56 | nox- | .ca has upload iirc |
| 02:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: ignore that warning |
| 02:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | though itz's a serious WTF. just for the file path in it |
| 02:24.49 | DocScrutinizer | looks more like a kernel OOPS |
| 02:25.11 | pauly_ | reinstall kernel power |
| 02:25.26 | pauly_ | i think i should start there |
| 02:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | your kernel looks ok |
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| 02:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | no use in renstalling it |
| 02:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | it's a 'good' kernel (it is appropriate for that purpose) and it boots up |
| 02:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | so there's nothing a reflash could fix |
| 02:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | I hope you got no multiboot installed |
| 02:27.32 | pauly_ | http://pastebin.ca/2010167 |
| 02:27.39 | pauly_ | no |
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| 02:27.49 | pauly_ | havent tried that yet |
| 02:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | HELL - starts with a cut off kernel OOPS |
| 02:28.39 | nox- | that musb_host.c really looks unhappy... |
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| 02:29.07 | javispedro | doesn't matter, it's duplicated |
| 02:29.21 | lcuk | >>>>>>>>>> frals <<<<<<<<< i believe frals is our first download millionaire. |
| 02:29.36 | lcuk | well done dude :) |
| 02:29.43 | javispedro | claps |
| 02:30.07 | ds3 | wonders what is going to happen to all those 999,999 download bots ;) |
| 02:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, that's a really bad pathological case |
| 02:30.29 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: indeed |
| 02:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: please update power kernel to latest, which afaik is >=47 |
| 02:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: this kernel indeed is bad, or you found a bug in hostmode |
| 02:31.56 | pauly_ | ok lol |
| 02:32.00 | pauly_ | my bad |
| 02:32.12 | pauly_ | i think it is latest |
| 02:32.30 | pauly_ | repository says it is |
| 02:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | nah, not at all. there shouldn't be no diffs between 46 and 47 wrt hostmode |
| 02:33.12 | pauly_ | im lost??? |
| 02:33.13 | javispedro | lols at some adobe cool-aid drinker in tmo |
| 02:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: I'm actually not up to date what powerkernel does |
| 02:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping |
| 02:34.12 | pauly_ | so i should reflash? |
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| 02:34.16 | ds3 | is there a powerkernel that does not cause one to loose features? |
| 02:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | reinstall power kernel. Yes probably a good idea |
| 02:34.38 | pauly_ | ok |
| 02:34.45 | pauly_ | thank you |
| 02:34.51 | pauly_ | ill do that now |
| 02:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | don't say thanks right now. I doubt this will cure the issue |
| 02:35.10 | pauly_ | how to check which kernel i have? |
| 02:35.16 | pauly_ | oh no lol |
| 02:35.23 | DocScrutinizer | uname -a |
| 02:35.33 | pauly_ | thanks |
| 02:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900 2.6.28.10power46 |
| 02:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | you got pk46 |
| 02:36.14 | nox- | pauly_, are you using an usb hub? |
| 02:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | afaik there are newer ones |
| 02:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: why? |
| 02:36.55 | nox- | i dunno, maybe theres some bug... |
| 02:37.03 | nox- | (just guessing :) |
| 02:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
| 02:37.35 | pauly_ | no |
| 02:38.15 | nox- | do you get the same dmesg with different usb devices? |
| 02:38.26 | pauly_ | gotta reboot lol just uninstalled kernel |
| 02:38.55 | pauly_ | so dont get 46 |
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| 02:38.58 | pauly_ | right |
| 02:39.11 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: you tried with all three available speeds ? (lowspeed, fullspeed, highspeed) |
| 02:39.25 | pauly_ | yes |
| 02:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 02:39.42 | pauly_ | a wireless mouse |
| 02:39.48 | pauly_ | keyboard |
| 02:40.02 | pauly_ | and card reader all diff speeds |
| 02:40.41 | nox- | hm how do you check hw revision again? maybe its related to that? |
| 02:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | pauly_: and you did click the buttons how exactly? please describe |
| 02:42.29 | pauly_ | speed |
| 02:42.43 | pauly_ | then vbus |
| 02:42.55 | pauly_ | then enumerate |
| 02:43.46 | DocScrutinizer | which timing? |
| 02:44.09 | pauly_ | all of them at diffrent times |
| 02:44.26 | pauly_ | rebooting brb |
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| 02:49.15 | javispedro | heh |
| 02:49.48 | javispedro | on some spanish forum, someone suggested in a "n900 host mode tutorial", that the N8 usb host cable worked |
| 02:50.02 | javispedro | net result=tens of posters complaining they wasted â¬13 |
| 02:50.47 | javispedro | ah, the wonders of third party "tutorials". |
| 02:51.19 | javispedro | on the positive side, someone also reported succesfully using a powered hub with 2 usb pendrives, keyboard and mouse. |
| 02:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
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| 02:55.24 | DocScrutinizer | on "original forum" someone had a foto footage about filing off the excess corners of a N8 adapter to make it fit into a micro-B receptacle :-P |
| 02:55.41 | javispedro | hah, so this guy was not joking then |
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| 02:56.26 | iluminator101 | whats a good units converter program for n900 |
| 02:56.52 | javispedro | there was this python one... i think it was creatively called convert2 or th |
| 02:57.16 | mvenplus | javispedro, no I was not jokig it's working |
| 02:58.28 | javispedro | ah, but you're not the one I was thinking of. |
| 02:58.38 | javispedro | never mind. |
| 02:59.05 | mvenplus | adapter from N8 is working after proper modification on N900 |
| 02:59.19 | javispedro | "physical" modification |
| 02:59.47 | mvenplus | yes 'physical' |
| 02:59.59 | ieatlint | agreed, "physical" |
| 03:00.04 | mvenplus | with file tool |
| 03:02.34 | javispedro | well, time to go |
| 03:02.36 | javispedro | cya fols |
| 03:02.40 | javispedro | *folks |
| 03:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | mvenplus: you got the exact post URL? I can't find it anymore |
| 03:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | which in itself is incredible |
| 03:12.21 | mvenplus | DocScrutinizer will find it right away :) |
| 03:13.16 | iluminator101 | how do i enable wireshark in n900 without being root |
| 03:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | err, not at all? |
| 03:14.28 | mvenplus | DocScrutinizer, here is http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873725&postcount=364 |
| 03:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe `sudo wireshart` is what you want to hear? |
| 03:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | mvenplus: thanks a lot |
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| 03:15.20 | mvenplus | DocScrutinizer, no problem men |
| 03:15.40 | Jay_BEE | hola |
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| 03:35.22 | iluminator101 | i cant sign in google voice from n900, is there something i need to change? |
| 03:36.23 | iluminator101 | i know the password and username is right i can sign on from pc |
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| 03:41.39 | smooph | hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I cannot press the "u" key |
| 03:41.56 | ShadowJK | Why can you not press the u key? |
| 03:43.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | besides pressing 'u' isn't strictly mandatory |
| 03:43.33 | smooph | i can press the key but its not going into flasher mode |
| 03:43.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | start flasher, plug in the N900 |
| 03:44.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh, then your battery is empty |
| 03:44.29 | smooph | yes very possible the battery is empty |
| 03:44.34 | smooph | but i cannot charge it |
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| 03:45.07 | smooph | everytime i plug in the charger the device starts and trys to fix the installation |
| 03:45.17 | smooph | i don't know what to do |
| 03:45.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger? |
| 03:46.36 | smooph | it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation |
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| 03:46.49 | smooph | and some time later dies again |
| 03:47.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmmm |
| 03:47.53 | smooph | yes very hmmm |
| 03:48.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | tried to switch it off the very moment it boots after those 2-5min? |
| 03:49.01 | smooph | yes power button is not responding |
| 03:49.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | nasty |
| 03:49.44 | smooph | yes very |
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| 03:50.00 | smooph | I will go to bed now its almost 5 in the morning |
| 03:50.15 | smooph | and give it a fresh start tomorrow |
| 03:50.19 | smooph | gn8 |
| 03:50.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you remove the battery the very moment it boots |
| 03:51.21 | smooph | I will try it tomorrow |
| 03:51.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | then you bight be able to "hold 'u'" on next boot, which should be the one on plugin to flasher |
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| 05:01.07 | Termana | good morning |
| 05:08.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pong? |
| 05:08.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | kernel |
| 05:08.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | but forgot what exactly |
| 05:09.28 | MohammadAG | standard answer: RTFM |
| 05:09.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
| 05:09.44 | MohammadAG | it's said that kernel-power is for power users |
| 05:10.07 | MohammadAG | looks up definition of power (adj.) in a t.m.o. dictionary |
| 05:10.37 | Termana | MohammadAG, you won't find it anywhere near t.m.o |
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| 05:10.43 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:10.45 | MohammadAG | figures |
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| 05:32.36 | ieatlint | "power user" is a marketing term ... that should tell you all you need to know about it |
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| 05:53.21 | jaem | evening... I have an odd problem. I'm reading a serial data stream over a Bluetooth link, the data packets of which are delimited by CRLF characters... |
| 05:54.40 | jaem | On my (Arch Linux) laptop, this works fine with our parser, but on the N900, it breaks. On looking into it, it seems that the data received on the N900 is somehow having the CRLF changed to LFLF before it even hits my application. |
| 05:55.15 | jaem | cat'ing /dev/rfcomm0 thus shows double-spaced lines of data. I'm rather confused as to what could be causing this. |
| 05:58.31 | ds3 | checked the line discipline? |
| 05:58.53 | jaem | ds3: Since I'm not sure what that means, I'm guessing "no". :) |
| 05:59.06 | ds3 | try 'stty -a < /dev/rfcomm0' |
| 05:59.18 | ds3 | see if the settings show autotranslate enabled |
| 06:01.08 | jaem | checks |
| 06:03.51 | jaem | ds3: looks like that may be it. Let me poke at it some more |
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| 06:07.16 | jaem | ds3: Yep, that would be it. Thanks a lot. :D |
| 06:10.44 | ds3 | glad to be of assistance |
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| 06:31.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: seems to me your parser is too strict |
| 06:32.09 | Macer | my gf is cracking me up with this just dance 2 and michale jackson gameas |
| 06:32.12 | Macer | wii is awesome |
| 06:32.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually a parser should be as loose as possible, only detecting the syntactically relevant lexems |
| 06:34.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | jaem: in this particular case it would for example mean the parser should tolerate any combination of LF/CR |
| 06:34.16 | jaem | DocScrutinizer51: Quite possibly. The problem is that this whole side of the project was written by someone else, who was out of the country for several months. I've been trying to get it all working without him, and I have insufficient experience with this sort of thing |
| 06:34.32 | jaem | DocScrutinizer51: Agreed. |
| 06:34.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe, depending on syntax of your parsed text, even ignore them completely |
| 06:35.08 | jaem | I believe the current code splits on newlines, and since it was being turned into *two* newlines, that confused it. |
| 06:35.31 | jaem | At any rate, most of this code has been rewritten, from what I've told - it just isn't stable yet. ...so I get to play with the old code. :) |
| 06:36.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | hm, a separator lexem usually should not hurt if repeated |
| 06:38.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | except if the empty token ([separator][null tolen][separator]) actually has a meaningis |
| 06:40.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | imagine c sourcecode would allow only single spaces |
| 06:40.36 | jaem | hmm? |
| 06:41.58 | jaem | DocScrutinizer51: Sorry, I'm having a bad day, and not really following you. I should probably leave this for now. |
| 06:42.02 | jaem | I appreciate your help, though. |
| 06:42.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | for the c source parser in gcc a single space is same as multiple spaces, and often even cr/lf is of equal meaning |
| 06:42.36 | ieatlint | to be pedantic, a parser that is loose is still likely to not process LFLF in this case as intended -- LFLF could intentionally indicate a blank line |
| 06:43.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, depends on the syntax of the parsed text |
| 06:44.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | a c parser for example wouldn't care (first instance) |
| 06:44.12 | ieatlint | but you're right about gcc's parsing (except in the preprocessor)... i believe that's part of the c spec in fact |
| 06:44.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | (except of course for line numbers etc) |
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| 07:19.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | darn, who messed up line9 of my usr/bin/htop? |
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| 07:40.08 | cehteh | where is the sensitivity between whats recognized as tap and whats a drag configureable in hildon |
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| 07:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
| 07:50.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'd brainlessly point in gconf's general direction |
| 07:50.05 | RST38h | cehteh: as of Maemo5 it is not |
| 07:50.16 | cehteh | duh |
| 07:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 07:50.41 | RST38h | the touchscreen is too jittery |
| 07:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | *burp* mumbleamousemoumblehostmode |
| 07:52.35 | cehteh | RST38h: exactly to increase it, slippy fingers :P |
| 07:53.02 | cehteh | they must have some hardcodes compensation anyways ... i epected thats rather some config value :/ |
| 07:53.13 | RST38h | they do of course |
| 07:53.27 | RST38h | but it won't make any difference |
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| 07:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | throws a " at htop maintainer, just in case... |
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| 08:28.02 | trumee | sip uri's fail if phone is not registered to that domain. strange. |
| 08:28.50 | trumee | My N900 is registered to my * server and i called music@iptel.org, phone did not pass the uri to my * server. |
| 08:28.58 | cehteh | yeah the n900 supports only castrated sip |
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| 08:32.35 | trumee | cehteh, sip looses its usefulness immediately if cant call sip uris |
| 08:32.47 | cehteh | ack |
| 08:33.22 | trumee | cehteh, there should be bug report filed for this |
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| 08:34.43 | cehteh | go for it :P |
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| 08:35.46 | trumee | seems i can dial somenumber@x.x but not somestring@x.x |
| 08:36.32 | trumee | phone-ui pass the sip uri if it contains numbers only. |
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| 09:09.04 | DocScrutinizer | my sip is dead |
| 09:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. I can't select the SIP connection in dialer anymore, and also no SIP call buttons in contacts |
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| 09:14.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | inbound sip calls get signaled as missed call immediately |
| 09:15.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | callback on that sip:number@sipgate.de call from missed calls creates a chat! o.O |
| 09:15.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | something is seriously messed up |
| 09:18.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, telepathy-sip broken for you |
| 09:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 09:19.01 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, time to reflash :p |
| 09:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | pfff SHIT |
| 09:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | reflash means I lose PR1.2 |
| 09:19.58 | trumee | I dont have a landline, so sip needs to be quite reliable for me. |
| 09:20.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's why I started with twinkle, back when |
| 09:21.25 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, why are you stuck with PR1.2? |
| 09:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | and on N900 PR1.[01].* it worked great |
| 09:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | because pr1.3 has all kinds of things not working or not tested |
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| 09:23.14 | DocScrutinizer | and frankly because I was happy with my massively tweaked and patched pr1.2, for my productive device |
| 09:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | and OTA isn't feasible anymore for this massively modified pr1.2 |
| 09:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | at least not without serious effort to prepare it for that OTA update |
| 09:24.44 | RST38h | Doc: You will still have to update to pr1.3 |
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| 09:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | and there's definitely still no tested reliable way to backup that system and completely rollback if PR1.3 sucks |
| 09:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | also I love to HATE nokia for forcing me into pr1.3 |
| 09:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | this is my *productive* phone, not a toy for Nokia to learn how to run updates |
| 09:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | they should first learn how to decently do complete backups |
| 09:27.38 | RST38h | This is all pointless talk |
| 09:27.50 | DocScrutinizer | prior to forcing me into new OS versions |
| 09:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's not pointless, that's just sad and making me angry |
| 09:28.31 | RST38h | Ok,so you will get sadder and more angry by the day, until you upgrade to pr1.3 |
| 09:28.54 | RST38h | Especially considering that PR1.3 isn't even reflashing your boot loader, core, or anything |
| 09:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for the analysis, Mr Freud |
| 09:29.17 | RST38h | Just a bunch of userland package updates |
| 09:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 09:29.53 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, you could try Babckupmenu app |
| 09:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, tehnically hildon desktop is actually userland |
| 09:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | for libvte I'm not that sure |
| 09:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: I could try, and find out if it helps me or makes things worse, yes |
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| 09:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: first thing you learn with backup, as a sysop, is you MUST test restore, to be sure it actually works. And obviously you can't do that when same time you destroy the original system that you tried to backup |
| 09:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | means you have to restore to a different system, an expendable one |
| 09:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | then your best bet is to do a backup of that system, and compare the both backups. Usually they differ (sure they do, as a living system always is changing) |
| 09:34.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not ready to do this |
| 09:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | QA for a backup/restore solution is a bit different to that of a normal app. If a normal app has a bug, I simply fix it. If a backup has a bug, I'll learn I'm busted |
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| 09:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: pr1.3 has that annoying CPU-hog / charging bug, that will destroy my battery |
| 09:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'd say that's clearly 'anything' at least |
| 09:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | according to your list of >> boot loader, core, or anything << |
| 09:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | It wouldn't hurt battery if bme wasn't THAT braindamaged |
| 09:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | I might try to cope FIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.3 |
| 09:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | duh, I hate that touchpad |
| 09:47.30 | DocScrutinizer | I might try to cope with that bug and its defacto WONTFIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.3 |
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| 09:52.22 | Termana | DocScrutinizer: just use the 1.2 kernel like we discussed? (if you find the bug unliveable) |
| 09:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: the suggested upgrade to PR1.3 might introduce other *serious* bugs that nobody has noticed yet (NB it's been me who discovered the CPU hog bug), and if it does then using a PR1.2 kernel might not exactly help me out |
| 09:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | in fact an upgrade to PR1.3 is irreversable for the same reasons I can't really use PR1.2 any longer: None of the apps in testing and devel is available for pr1.2 any longer |
| 09:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | so once I upgraded to 1.3, there's no way to restore a PR1.2 system |
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| 09:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | at least no simple tested supported way |
| 09:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | you can go back to a bare bones PR1.2, by simply flashing the img, but that's it |
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| 10:10.20 | alterego | wonders what to do today. |
| 10:10.38 | alterego | Think I'll throw together a UI for my TV remote. |
| 10:10.49 | alterego | Using Qt Quick |
| 10:11.24 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: how about testing backup menu for installability under PR1.2? And then verifying a image restore really is creating a working system? |
| 10:12.04 | alterego | Eesh, you want me to reflash 1.2? :D |
| 10:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | Well I gather you're asking for a task for the weekend, so you won't get bored |
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| 10:13.01 | alterego | Yeah, and I've got either columbus or my automatic remote detect. |
| 10:13.29 | DocScrutinizer | doubtlessly much more tempting topics |
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| 10:27.21 | alterego | Now, I wonder if i can use bluetooth scanning, to know when I'm at home so I can turn one of my home screens into a context aware remote control. |
| 10:29.51 | alterego | Think I'll write a little topography discovery agent, which ses bluetooth devices, or wireless AP addresses to ascertain your home or at work or whatever. |
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| 10:40.08 | BCMM | does anyone have reason to believe that ntpd would have a substantial effect on battery life? |
| 10:40.27 | alterego | BCMM: no, not realy. |
| 10:40.48 | alterego | Well, maybe if there's some kind of odd networking error. |
| 10:40.54 | alterego | It might get into a retry frenzy. |
| 10:40.56 | BCMM | oh, the BSD version doesn't do constant adjustment... |
| 10:41.06 | BCMM | i was worried about CPU wake-ups, you see |
| 10:41.28 | alterego | Ah, m'kay. |
| 10:41.44 | alterego | Well, I've been using ntpd for ages and have never noticed any nastiness. |
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| 10:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | On thinking about it again, I'm not sure maemo kernel knows about frequency discipline |
| 10:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: so if that's the case, there's maybe no way to do any constant adjustment |
| 10:48.54 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, probably inserting or dropping one jiffy per N jiffies is always possible |
| 10:48.59 | alterego | Hrm, yeah. |
| 10:49.09 | alterego | I'm not sure about that either. |
| 10:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | I never loked into frequency discipline and how it works |
| 10:49.58 | DocScrutinizer | looked |
| 10:50.30 | alterego | Can't say I'm too up on it either. |
| 10:50.34 | DocScrutinizer | but I'd guess a granularity of one jiffy is finegrained enough |
| 10:50.58 | alterego | Heh, not often I hear someone saying Jiffy :D |
| 10:51.23 | DocScrutinizer | so time would actually jump a jiffy every now and then, or stall for a period of two jiffies |
| 10:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | both not really a big problem |
| 10:51.57 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:52.24 | alterego | I think today, I'll start to think about how I can make a neat home automation/CIR controller remote UX framework. |
| 10:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | and that should be feasible independently on tickless kernel and whatever the sysclock hardware is alike |
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| 11:03.47 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking of coping out and releasing columbus as foss ... |
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| 11:04.12 | alterego | Might still work on a security/purchase framework though. |
| 11:05.00 | DocScrutinizer | damn, another test case wasted |
| 11:05.02 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 11:06.00 | alterego | Well, it was only a requirement for a semi quick cash injection. But I don't really need that anymore. |
| 11:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | I'd really be interested in the relative success of this |
| 11:06.10 | alterego | Yeah |
| 11:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | Esp since I still need such a cash injection |
| 11:07.10 | alterego | Heh, do you have a killer app then? :) |
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| 11:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 11:07.38 | alterego | Cool |
| 11:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | killer app is relative |
| 11:08.36 | alterego | Yeah, well, you know what I mean.l |
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| 11:09.06 | DocScrutinizer | yep. any TLA starting with b is a good candidate |
| 11:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | and a featureset of hostmode with Y-cable support, hot swapping of battery, and full control over charging even with alien chargers, seems nice enough |
| 11:11.26 | alterego | neat |
| 11:11.28 | alterego | brb |
| 11:12.28 | Termana | All wrapped in a juicy proprietary sausage with a side dish of send $100 to DocScrutinizer or die. Nom nom. |
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| 11:16.39 | RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0&fmt=18 |
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| 11:18.25 | CableTwitch | Greetings |
| 11:18.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: nah |
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| 11:21.30 | Arkenoi | wonders what is the rationale behind the "brilliant" idea of using "virtual" directory names like "Sound clips" etc in native applications. Damn ugly and inconsistent. Why not just symlinks? |
| 11:22.36 | kerio | because that would make sense |
| 11:23.22 | CableTwitch | Because as nice as standards are, there will always be those who like to do things differently. 'Ooman naycha, innit? |
| 11:24.42 | Arkenoi | Well, i guess it was not a single person decision, why would *serveral* people agree to this nonsense? |
| 11:25.48 | CableTwitch | Because its easier to go with you r won planning methods, than to bend everything to fit someone elses. |
| 11:26.13 | CableTwitch | Trust me, you can have all the standards in the world. Someone, somewhere, will use something entirely different. |
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| 11:28.34 | RST38h | Arkenoi: this came from Symbian |
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| 11:29.20 | RST38h | Arkenoi: The idea was being able to move these dirs between device models and also merge internal+card dirs into a single user-accessible directory |
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| 11:32.57 | Arkenoi | RST38h, what a mess |
| 11:34.39 | Arkenoi | why just copy symbian there? at least on symbian you almost never see "real" fs structure |
| 11:35.05 | Arkenoi | i mean, from UI |
| 11:35.13 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Most likely because the managementisdominated by Symbianpeople |
| 11:37.01 | Arkenoi | yet another reason to kill symbian asap, it is toxic waste |
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| 11:45.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | I heard it was about localization, and poorly thought concepts |
| 11:45.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | and M$ |
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| 11:54.05 | Venemo | hi :) |
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| 11:59.13 | trumee | /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 both point to back camera. is that a PR1.3 bug? |
| 12:01.25 | jacekowski | video0 |
| 12:01.39 | trumee | my bad mplayer needs v4l2 driver |
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| 12:03.40 | RST38h | Arkenoi: YOu can kill the Symbian, but what are you gonna do with the people/ |
| 12:04.06 | jacekowski | there is nothing wrong with symbian |
| 12:04.15 | RST38h | Arkenoi: [hint: you let these highly experienced industry folks drive your Meego-related developments] |
| 12:04.50 | BCMM | i have no idea whatsoever how symbian works internally - is porting it's API to linux and running legacy application on it feasible? |
| 12:05.13 | jacekowski | no |
| 12:05.18 | alterego | BCMM: anything is possible, but is it worth it? |
| 12:05.29 | alterego | I suppose Palm did it. |
| 12:05.37 | BCMM | alterego: that's why i said feasible, not possible |
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| 12:09.04 | Arkenoi | RST38h, quarantine every single person under strict supervision, if it appears to be clean of brain contamination, let him do something useful :-) |
| 12:09.51 | RST38h | Arkenoi: Never happens that way |
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| 12:26.21 | jacekowski | symbian FTW |
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| 12:27.14 | Venemo | jacekowski: why is that? |
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| 12:35.13 | corecode | how do you fit 80x25 on the xterm? |
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| 12:37.34 | The_Tall1 | Hi, i build a big library in scratchbox and it worked fine inside it. But on the N900 the used float numbers totally flipped s.th. like 2.99999 changed to -0.00004. Is this known or caused by the used lib? |
| 12:38.20 | Venemo | The_Tall1: we would need to know more about what you're doing |
| 12:39.42 | The_Tall1 | we use geos-3.2.2 to work with geometries and the wkt/wkb to work with rdf3x |
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| 12:40.37 | The_Tall1 | we think big/little endian might be a problem but why differs scratchbox output from N900. That looks strange to mee |
| 12:41.01 | The_Tall1 | scratchbox runs on a 32Bit Intel |
| 12:41.15 | Venemo | The_Tall1: x86 is little-endian. ARMEL is little-endian too |
| 12:41.15 | MohammadAG | or AMD64 |
| 12:41.24 | Venemo | that is why it is called ARM_EL_ |
| 12:41.41 | kerio | corecode: you can fit 79x25 |
| 12:42.01 | MohammadAG | depends on the units |
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| 12:42.25 | Venemo | ARMEL meanys ARM little-endian |
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| 12:43.07 | MohammadAG | shouldn't it me Endian-Little on ARMLE? :P |
| 12:43.24 | The_Tall1 | the used units are standard c++ floats |
| 12:43.40 | trumee | MohammadAG, thanks for help yesterday. Finally was able to boot into my custom kernel. |
| 12:43.41 | alterego | It sounds cuter MohammadAG |
| 12:44.07 | MohammadAG | who's the lil ARMEL, who's the lil ARMEL |
| 12:44.27 | MohammadAG | trumee, yw :) |
| 12:44.56 | trumee | MohammadAG, key was to run depmod -a on the device to stop reboot loop. |
| 12:45.14 | MohammadAG | postinst should do that o_O |
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| 12:45.31 | jacekowski | The_Tall1: softvfp? |
| 12:45.36 | jacekowski | The_Tall1: or something else? |
| 12:45.43 | jacekowski | The_Tall1: i would try it on debugger |
| 12:45.53 | trumee | MohammadAG, guess my postinst is broken then |
| 12:45.54 | Venemo | MohammadAG: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9081 |
| 12:46.30 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ARMEL is little-endian and ARMEB is big-endian |
| 12:46.47 | smooph | hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I pressing the "u" key it doesn't go into flashermode |
| 12:47.25 | The_Tall1 | jacekowski: i remember a message about softvfp, gdb will be next |
| 12:48.29 | chem|st | smooph: uboot or bootbackup? |
| 12:49.25 | chem|st | smooph: there is matan's workaround somewhere in tmo |
| 12:49.37 | smooph | chem|st: sorry I don't understand the question I am trying to flash with vanilla |
| 12:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: damn, didn't we decide yesterday your battery is weak? |
| 12:49.51 | chem|st | smooph: what was the program you installed? |
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| 12:50.06 | smooph | DocScrutinizer yes we did |
| 12:50.10 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: oh ok.. |
| 12:50.13 | smooph | but I tried loading |
| 12:50.14 | smooph | it |
| 12:50.41 | chem|st | smooph: did it? |
| 12:51.15 | smooph | but it doesn't help ... if the battery is too low shouldn't it go into flashermode too and die on me before its finished |
| 12:51.21 | smooph | ? |
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| 12:51.55 | chem|st | smooph: what happens when you have the device off and plug in a wallcharger? |
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| 12:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 04:45:27] <DocScrutinizer51> it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger? |
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| 12:52.49 | smooph | the orange led goes on which means its charging but some time (2-5min) after that the device starts and tries to install the faild program |
| 12:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-12-04 04:46:36] <smooph> it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation |
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| 12:53.58 | smooph | btw it died installing some data collection app |
| 12:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | charge your battery. There's no other way |
| 12:54.09 | smooph | but how? |
| 12:54.20 | chem|st | smooph: dedicated from your device |
| 12:54.41 | Venemo | smooph: maybe get another battery, or charge yours with another phone or an external charger |
| 12:54.49 | chem|st | smooph: see a vendor shop and ask kindly to charge it, or find a friend with same socket |
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| 12:55.31 | smooph | is the there no special pre boot mode i can enter |
| 12:55.33 | smooph | ? |
| 12:55.37 | chem|st | people should realy think about messing with their phones with empty battery... |
| 12:55.50 | smooph | it was fully loaded |
| 12:56.19 | chem|st | smooph: if the flasher mode does not work no |
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| 12:56.30 | chem|st | maybe you do something wrong on that side... |
| 12:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | nah, holding 'u' doesn't help. So it's definitely empty cell |
| 12:57.14 | chem|st | "some data collection app" sounds scary |
| 12:57.22 | smooph | It doesn't even enter flasher mode ... I don't even see the little usb icon |
| 12:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 12:57.54 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn' be surprised to find that "data cllection app" needs power kernel |
| 12:57.57 | chem|st | smooph: charge the battery |
| 12:58.15 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: that's what I thought of... |
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| 12:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | probably pk preinit should check for >90% battery, and abort |
| 12:59.25 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: btw how come that wifi hotspot is in testing? and why does ham install with missing dependencies? |
| 12:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | preinstall |
| 12:59.43 | MohammadAG | how do I make my mailing client have auto line breaks? |
| 12:59.48 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 12:59.54 | chem|st | MohammadAG: which client |
| 13:00.01 | corecode | \o/ kerio how? |
| 13:00.06 | MohammadAG | like, when sending to mailing lists, I see lines are broken after each 6 words or sth |
| 13:00.09 | corecode | without the \o/ |
| 13:00.12 | corecode | kerio: how? |
| 13:00.13 | MohammadAG | thunderbird |
| 13:00.40 | chem|st | MohammadAG: it is somewhere in the editor settings to brake after an amount of characters |
| 13:01.00 | MohammadAG | what's the one mailing lists use? |
| 13:01.00 | chem|st | MohammadAG: that's what I tell vim to do when called from mutt |
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| 13:01.34 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ehr IO error |
| 13:01.54 | kerio | corecode: disable the toolbar and go fullscreen |
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| 13:02.45 | chem|st | MohammadAG: thunderbird is a wacky bitch... my knowledge is limited... want a proper .muttrc I can help |
| 13:02.51 | smooph | chem|st: DocScrutinizer "nokia data gathering" was the name of the app I think |
| 13:03.04 | Pavlz | hello to all |
| 13:03.09 | DocScrutinizer | bwahahaha |
| 13:03.10 | kerio | corecode: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false" |
| 13:03.17 | chem|st | smooph: from where did you install it? |
| 13:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | thw infamous nokia spyware |
| 13:03.47 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: never heard of it |
| 13:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | ask SpeedEvil |
| 13:03.56 | smooph | repositories |
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| 13:04.46 | chem|st | smooph: repositories like repositories.debian.org? repositories is what the collector is called |
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| 13:05.09 | Pavlz | i got the old nokia 770 with the kernel 2.6.16-omap1 |
| 13:05.10 | chem|st | smooph: repositories is no valid answer on 'where did you get it from' |
| 13:05.21 | chem|st | Pavlz: hi |
| 13:05.37 | smooph | testing |
| 13:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 13:05.48 | smooph | i guess |
| 13:05.53 | smooph | i don't know |
| 13:06.05 | chem|st | smooph: why did you wnat to install it? |
| 13:06.23 | smooph | describtion sounded interessting |
| 13:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil got some 50 bucks from Nokia for installing it :-P |
| 13:06.35 | Venemo | smooph: what kind of app was this? |
| 13:06.48 | Pavlz | i would like to know if there is any player to watch short movies *.ogv |
| 13:07.21 | corecode | kerio: i don't seem to get 79 |
| 13:07.25 | chem|st | Pavlz: mplayer doesn't do it? |
| 13:07.27 | corecode | also, 80 would be much better |
| 13:07.41 | kerio | yeah but apparently there's no way to get 80 without going like 96x30 |
| 13:07.47 | kerio | use the volume keys to zoom :) |
| 13:07.51 | chem|st | as ogv is just another container format.. |
| 13:08.05 | smooph | Venemo: I don't know my phone never started again after trying to install it |
| 13:08.12 | kerio | not sure if it matters, i'm using droid sans mono bold 12 |
| 13:08.22 | Venemo | smooph: I get it, but what was this app? |
| 13:08.39 | corecode | oh i didn't know that |
| 13:08.43 | corecode | nice |
| 13:09.16 | Pavlz | to the same time i got problems with opera browser, because it is very old and there are not binaries or source code for opera so i can't access to my e-mail on google |
| 13:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and terribly missing in xterm |
| 13:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | (zoom) |
| 13:09.32 | chem|st | smooph: that thing is nowhere in the official repositories |
| 13:09.45 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: is it in sdk tools? |
| 13:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | ask SpeedEvil |
| 13:10.10 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: zoom? go with volume keys! |
| 13:10.11 | DocScrutinizer | iirc it's sent to you by Nokia, together with an NDA |
| 13:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | in xchat??? |
| 13:10.32 | Pavlz | no i can listen but i can't watch with mplayer |
| 13:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | oops |
| 13:10.42 | DocScrutinizer | s/term/chat |
| 13:10.57 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: ok |
| 13:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | cya, off for a nap |
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| 13:11.13 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you can change the font size, whats the matter? |
| 13:11.13 | smooph | the first post i pretty much the same what happened to me |
| 13:11.15 | smooph | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65900 |
| 13:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: usability |
| 13:11.51 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 13:11.55 | jacekowski | smooph: coldflash |
| 13:12.12 | DocScrutinizer | ummm |
| 13:12.15 | smooph | whats that? |
| 13:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | you don't wanna know |
| 13:12.37 | jacekowski | coldflash will not check battery level |
| 13:12.55 | DocScrutinizer | but twl4030 will |
| 13:12.58 | alterego | starts his new project, its' called "QMote" :) |
| 13:13.18 | chem|st | smooph: ah so you thought it hung and killed your device by powering off? |
| 13:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: he's down to emergency charge already |
| 13:13.30 | smooph | no |
| 13:13.47 | Venemo | alterego: what app'll be it? |
| 13:14.00 | jacekowski | then let it charge |
| 13:14.03 | jacekowski | and flash it |
| 13:14.13 | smooph | I waited 1 day nothing happened and than when I took it with me it was just turned off |
| 13:14.22 | chem|st | jacekowski: it starts after 2-4mins of charging by itself |
| 13:14.23 | alterego | Venemo: it's a IR remote controller interface using QtQuick/QML |
| 13:14.41 | Venemo | alterego: something like QtIrreco? |
| 13:14.43 | chem|st | smooph: it died on the battery... |
| 13:14.50 | jacekowski | chem|st: and what happens after that? |
| 13:14.53 | alterego | Venemo: yeah, but better :P |
| 13:14.57 | alterego | I don't like that app. |
| 13:15.00 | Venemo | alterego: nice :) |
| 13:15.07 | chem|st | jacekowski: tries to boot something ?! |
| 13:15.09 | alterego | I'm gonna have automatic detection too. |
| 13:15.12 | jacekowski | chem|st: does it switch off? |
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| 13:15.28 | jacekowski | hmm, then you probably can coldflash it |
| 13:15.32 | DocScrutinizer | bootloop |
| 13:15.32 | chem|st | smooph: pls describe what happens |
| 13:15.52 | jacekowski | chem|st: do you have liunux at hand somewhere? |
| 13:15.58 | smooph | it tries to fix the failed install with the words "installing software update,please do not interrupt 5 %" |
| 13:16.04 | chem|st | jacekowski: it is smooph not me |
| 13:16.14 | jacekowski | smooph: do you have linux somewhere at hand? |
| 13:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you will regret that |
| 13:16.21 | chem|st | jacekowski: I know my way around... |
| 13:16.25 | smooph | on it of course ;D |
| 13:16.33 | jacekowski | ~coldflash |
| 13:16.33 | infobot | [coldflash] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing |
| 13:16.34 | chem|st | smooph: at hand! |
| 13:17.21 | DocScrutinizer | cancels nap, fetches popcorn and coke |
| 13:17.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not funny |
| 13:17.58 | smooph | doesn't agree with being a ginnypig |
| 13:17.59 | DocScrutinizer | that WILL be funny |
| 13:18.11 | chem|st | does anyone know where to get the gorilla pods mounting plates as single piece? want to make a customized batterycover with it |
| 13:18.57 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: have some popcorn spare for me... I am out of gummibears by now ;) |
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| 13:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: smooph clearly stated his device goes down after a *short* time, after boot, and it obviously doesn't charge -> you have maybe 150s to do all the flashing from coldflash to working system, as coldflash kernel doesn't charge either |
| 13:22.14 | jacekowski | 150s should be enough |
| 13:22.28 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, will be funny, definitely |
| 13:25.34 | smooph | nothing happens ... I cannot get it to connect to go into flashermode |
| 13:26.16 | Venemo | smooph: like I said, get another charged battery, or charge your battery with another phone or an external charger |
| 13:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | yes, you need to use coldflash special command parameters for flasher |
| 13:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | as you have to override NOLO |
| 13:26.40 | Venemo | smooph: or borrow a battery from a service centre |
| 13:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | (the bootloader that shows the NOKIA screen) |
| 13:27.57 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I didn't know you could flash rootfs with coldflash |
| 13:28.31 | smooph | I am using the command from the wiki jacekowski send me |
| 13:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, it should get you into coldflashing mode the moment the phone boots up from charrging, after you connected it to a PC with started flasher command |
| 13:29.50 | DocScrutinizer | no holding of 'u' |
| 13:29.52 | alterego | It's a shame there isn't two IR emitters. |
| 13:29.58 | alterego | I keep wanting to use my remote in portrait .. |
| 13:30.03 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: yep |
| 13:30.13 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: just windows is not fast enough to enumerate it |
| 13:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: I always wondered if flasher should be told to use a particular USB port |
| 13:31.33 | smooph | not working |
| 13:32.34 | DocScrutinizer | yummy... popcorn |
| 13:32.56 | jacekowski | smooph: are you on linux or windows? |
| 13:33.00 | smooph | :) not so funny over here |
| 13:33.03 | smooph | linux |
| 13:33.07 | Venemo | alterego: lol |
| 13:33.14 | jacekowski | smooph: switch off your phone |
| 13:33.16 | jacekowski | remove battery |
| 13:33.20 | jacekowski | disconnect usb cable |
| 13:33.22 | Venemo | alterego: it's a shame there isn't an IR receiver too |
| 13:33.26 | smooph | done |
| 13:33.28 | jacekowski | wait a while |
| 13:33.35 | jacekowski | what hw revision do you have? |
| 13:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:34.15 | smooph | don't know ... how what do you mean? |
| 13:34.19 | DocScrutinizer | it can be found if you disassemble the lower half |
| 13:34.36 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 13:34.57 | jacekowski | smooph: start that command |
| 13:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | or in /proc, of the phone's system that's not starting |
| 13:35.00 | jacekowski | flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb |
| 13:35.09 | jacekowski | as root |
| 13:35.22 | jacekowski | connect battery |
| 13:35.27 | jacekowski | and plug in your phone via usb |
| 13:35.29 | lolloo | is it that hard to include u-boot to power kernel ? |
| 13:35.46 | lolloo | I need to run MeeGo but I have power kernel46 |
| 13:35.50 | chem|st | alterego: more power would be fine as I can point anywhere in the room to control my boombox with it's remote... |
| 13:36.09 | chem|st | lolloo: there is no need to run meego... |
| 13:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: replace those friggin R's |
| 13:36.34 | chem|st | R? |
| 13:36.40 | DocScrutinizer | resistors |
| 13:36.44 | lolloo | ok there is no need, but I need U-boot on my n900 |
| 13:36.46 | chem|st | ah |
| 13:37.02 | lolloo | and power46 has removed U-boot from it |
| 13:37.18 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the IR needs to be replaced too |
| 13:37.27 | chem|st | wont work afaik |
| 13:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | don't think so |
| 13:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | you say LED? |
| 13:38.09 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you know the vendor and part number? |
| 13:38.13 | smooph | jacekowski: I did what you said ... when I plugged in the USB it took a little time than the device turned on and went straight into "Installing Software update. Please do not interrupt." |
| 13:38.15 | DocScrutinizer | looks quite beefy |
| 13:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: nope |
| 13:38.29 | jacekowski | smooph: what does dmesg say |
| 13:39.06 | smooph | hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6 |
| 13:39.07 | chem|st | jacekowski: I bet ubuntu and trying something weird before enumerating ;) popcorn? |
| 13:39.19 | chem|st | ouch |
| 13:39.50 | chem|st | smooph: is 2-0 on board? |
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| 13:40.10 | smooph | let me check |
| 13:40.29 | chem|st | smooph: where did you plug it in to? |
| 13:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: whatever the result of this - kudos for the idea |
| 13:41.14 | smooph | yes all pluged into on board |
| 13:42.14 | DocScrutinizer | 2-0:1-0 port 6 o.O |
| 13:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | looks icky |
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| 13:42.53 | DocScrutinizer | mainboard hub |
| 13:43.03 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yeah... |
| 13:43.12 | chem|st | smooph: is it your front usb? |
| 13:43.19 | smooph | no |
| 13:43.30 | chem|st | smooph: with a cable to the board something? |
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| 13:43.50 | chem|st | or one of the backpanel usbs? |
| 13:43.59 | smooph | no it directly plugged into the mainboard backpanel |
| 13:44.07 | alterego | Cool, just bound 'system' call into Qml space. So now I can run arbitrary command :) |
| 13:44.28 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: try other ports |
| 13:44.50 | DocScrutinizer | shortcut: use a memstick and check dmesg for a nicer log |
| 13:45.02 | chem|st | smooph: you got a lot there so please use any usb device and plug it in another port on the back most prefered one of the most right in relation to loking at it with cpu UP |
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| 13:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | duh you know secrets |
| 13:46.05 | chem|st | secrets? |
| 13:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | is this an Intel spec or what? |
| 13:46.21 | chem|st | it is a ATX layout spec |
| 13:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | wow |
| 13:46.36 | DocScrutinizer | dark secrets |
| 13:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 13:47.50 | chem|st | uATX is another thing I guess but xlATX and ATX have to be the first 2 from the left or the first two from the right |
| 13:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: anyway, use a memstick or whatever and check dmesg log. If you find something nicer in there, paste it here |
| 13:48.31 | chem|st | smooph: ^^ do that |
| 13:48.46 | DocScrutinizer | nicer == not port >4, less digits after USB |
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| 13:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | meh, my popcorn getting cold, my neighbour stopped tearing down the wall to my sleeping room. The nap getting more tempting |
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| 13:51.10 | smooph | usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 ??? good enough ??? |
| 13:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | good enough |
| 13:51.46 | chem|st | smooph: no usb 1-x available? |
| 13:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh, don't nitpick |
| 13:52.13 | chem|st | at least it is not talking about hub |
| 13:52.27 | smooph | do i press "u" when the device turns on ? |
| 13:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 13:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | no use in that |
| 13:52.41 | smooph | kk |
| 13:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | but that's jacekowski's show anyway |
| 13:53.05 | chem|st | oh nice with patched usb cdc_ether finally works... |
| 13:54.07 | chem|st | [312240.899392] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:02.1-1 ;) |
| 13:54.12 | smooph | hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 ... back to installing software updates |
| 13:54.36 | Venemo | smooph: why don't you follow my advice? |
| 13:54.43 | alterego | http://pastie.org/1347070 |
| 13:54.55 | alterego | I think that's quite a nice way of creating lircd remotes .. |
| 13:54.57 | lolloo | what is the command to force an app to install using apt-get? |
| 13:55.08 | alterego | lolloo: apt-get install |
| 13:55.18 | lolloo | -f ? |
| 13:55.23 | alterego | Yeah |
| 13:55.25 | smooph | Venemo: because your advice means going outside and i am snowed in |
| 13:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 13:55.39 | Venemo | smooph: ouch. :( |
| 13:55.45 | chem|st | alterego: you are on a killing spree? |
| 13:55.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, nice weather around here |
| 13:55.52 | lolloo | what is the name of u-bootpackage used in apt-get? |
| 13:56.00 | smooph | nothing to do but keep the computers running to heat up the place |
| 13:56.07 | lolloo | apt-get -f install u-boot? |
| 13:56.07 | alterego | chem|st: ? |
| 13:56.24 | DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search uboot |
| 13:56.29 | chem|st | lolloo: you should def. keep your hands off |
| 13:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | apt-cache search boot |
| 13:56.43 | lolloo | awesome |
| 13:57.00 | lolloo | chem|st, no worries |
| 13:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: lolloo: ACK |
| 13:57.42 | chem|st | alterego: look at him little 'awesome' on a basic command will brick his device in no time... |
| 13:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | lolloo: PLEASE charge your battery first ! :-P |
| 13:57.58 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: you cannot ACK both of us.. |
| 13:58.05 | alterego | chem|st: you mean binding "system" into QML? |
| 13:58.12 | lolloo | alright |
| 13:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: I acked your comment |
| 13:59.25 | chem|st | alterego: no I mean telling people simple commands on heavy topics is like throwing a gummiball into a class-animals vendor shop... |
| 13:59.33 | chem|st | glass... |
| 13:59.37 | alterego | ;) |
| 13:59.41 | alterego | Meh, |
| 13:59.52 | alterego | I'm not in the mood to mollycoddle today :) |
| 14:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | how about dd? X-P |
| 14:00.42 | chem|st | alterego: people with "that sounded interessting" sitting here with bricked devices, snowed in, out of coffee... |
| 14:00.52 | alterego | :D |
| 14:01.00 | alterego | Hahah nice |
| 14:01.37 | DocScrutinizer | and jacekowski is suspiciously silent recently |
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| 14:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: how good is your electronics background? |
| 14:08.04 | Arkenoi | http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/01/meego-not-for-business/ oh shi.. somebody, PLEASE KILL HIM! |
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| 14:10.21 | chem|st | Arkenoi: who did think of E-series meego yet? kind of weird |
| 14:11.01 | DocScrutinizer | hehe that E7 damn looks like that N9, doesn't it? |
| 14:11.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thats what I just thought |
| 14:11.54 | Arkenoi | chem|st, i think meego would be ideal for e series (at least qwerty models) |
| 14:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277336 |
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| 14:13.12 | chem|st | Arkenoi: meego is at least one year away from usable as anything, they should have taken maemo to the next step, at least for phones |
| 14:13.55 | chem|st | a netbook ui, unusable without touchscreen or attached mouse is another issue |
| 14:15.07 | chem|st | no device sync makes it even more wonderful |
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| 14:16.35 | chem|st | if I run something like meego on all mobile devices I want it to sync anything over wifi, if it's my current playlist to my car or the PIM to my netbook |
| 14:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | ok, folks. This is way less funny than I thought it would be |
| 14:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 14:17.26 | smooph | bye |
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| 14:17.35 | smooph | thanks for the help |
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| 14:19.49 | pupnik | webgl summit 2010 demos http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/vlad-summit2010.html |
| 14:20.34 | smooph | hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 that should be as good as it gets right ? |
| 14:20.59 | smooph | chem|st: jacekowski |
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| 14:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: you own a voltmeter? |
| 14:22.46 | smooph | no |
| 14:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | k, nm |
| 14:22.58 | alterego | I should really set my old blog up again. |
| 14:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | get a charger or a spare battery |
| 14:23.13 | alterego | This QML remote is cool :) |
| 14:23.18 | alterego | And easy to code. |
| 14:23.39 | smooph | DocScrutinizer I will do you know if other nokia phones have the same battery ? |
| 14:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:23.56 | DocScrutinizer | mompls |
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| 14:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | can't find that bookmark. anyway 5800 has bl-5j as well |
| 14:28.59 | korhojoa | hey guys, anyone know how it would be possible to tell the phone to output sound via the speakers even though the tv-out cable is connected? |
| 14:29.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3956679&cache=258451400&culture=de-DE |
| 14:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: change the PA policy. No idea how to do that |
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| 14:30.55 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: or use alsamixer -c 0 |
| 14:30.56 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcxFZbKUNI qml/3d programming example - Golden Monkey God |
| 14:31.22 | DocScrutinizer | err amixer? |
| 14:31.31 | smooph1 | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 14:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 14:33.55 | smooph1 | I will ask some friends maybe they can snowmobil over here ;D |
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| 14:53.55 | alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-145219.png |
| 14:54.10 | alterego | So now people can write quick and easy, and pretty, remote controls in QML :) |
| 14:54.20 | alterego | Much cooler than the other apps. |
| 14:56.25 | Venemo | alterego: good stuff |
| 14:56.26 | zs | left, right arrows seem to be bigger than up and down arrows, why? :) |
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| 14:56.57 | alterego | zs: becuse rather than draw proper ones I've stolen icons that kind of visualise what I want from hildon stock icons. |
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| 14:57.24 | zs | you can rotate them to look the same |
| 14:57.46 | alterego | Think I'll polish it up, add support for multiple remotes, including a pretty selector. |
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| 14:58.06 | alterego | Then people can use my app to create their own QML remotes for stuff they've got configured in lircd |
| 14:58.34 | zs | yeah :) |
| 14:59.04 | alterego | Here's the source for that UI: http://pastie.org/1347188 |
| 15:00.07 | alterego | Obviously you don't need to use my "Button" component, but it makes a nice wrapper for a button with either a label or icon and then "command" property is the name of the command code in your lircd.conf file |
| 15:00.30 | alterego | My button at the moment is just using "TV" but I'll modify that when I do some more serious scht. |
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| 15:02.00 | pupnik | http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/Torrini2.mp3 |
| 15:02.07 | pupnik | great live performance |
| 15:03.02 | pupnik | http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/index.htm here she sings in front of a handful of people |
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| 15:15.44 | alterego | does a skin for his xbox |
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| 15:22.28 | RST38h | http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM |
| 15:27.27 | alterego | Cool, got it working with my XBox and my TV :D |
| 15:27.31 | alterego | Next my computer. |
| 15:27.42 | alterego | Then a nice interface to select which ones are active. |
| 15:28.09 | MohammadAG | stabs setAttribute() |
| 15:28.38 | MohammadAG | why does setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) show the circle, while setting it to false doesn't! |
| 15:28.57 | Venemo | MohammadAG: setting it to false disables the attribute |
| 15:28.59 | alterego | Because that is how you show and hide it .. |
| 15:29.05 | alterego | :P |
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| 15:29.19 | alterego | When you start doing something, set it to true, when you're done, set it to false. |
| 15:29.29 | MohammadAG | alterego, heh, my question was retarded |
| 15:29.36 | MohammadAG | when I set it to false, it doesn't go away |
| 15:29.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG: it should |
| 15:30.28 | alterego | Interwesting .. |
| 15:31.01 | MohammadAG | same happened with the portrait flag |
| 15:31.19 | pupnik | nice one RST38h |
| 15:33.04 | MohammadAG | oops |
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| 15:33.14 | MohammadAG | typo in the signal :/ |
| 15:33.56 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, getting the same qt run errors as i got last week al of a sudden :| - build works fine, and runs fine after autobuilder etc, but wont let me test on my device, getting this - http://pastebin.com/mwTruPLX |
| 15:34.18 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, good evening to you too :P |
| 15:34.33 | NooBmonk3y | morning, afternoon, evening gnite ;) |
| 15:34.35 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 15:34.42 | MohammadAG | edit debian/rules |
| 15:34.58 | MohammadAG | actually, paste debian/rules :P |
| 15:35.00 | MohammadAG | on pastebin of course(!!! again? k, !!!) |
| 15:35.18 | NooBmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/yPVApQba |
| 15:35.22 | NooBmonk3y | haven't changed it though |
| 15:35.26 | NooBmonk3y | so tis just being odd again |
| 15:35.36 | NooBmonk3y | checked permissions and they are all ok |
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| 15:36.26 | MohammadAG | you just need to run qmake |
| 15:36.33 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 15:36.52 | NooBmonk3y | ooo random |
| 15:37.03 | NooBmonk3y | surely cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../$(APPNAME).pro does that? |
| 15:37.20 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:37.22 | MohammadAG | just noticed that |
| 15:38.13 | MohammadAG | right click the project name and hit run qmake |
| 15:38.20 | MohammadAG | though it shouldn't really need that |
| 15:38.36 | NooBmonk3y | ran fine |
| 15:38.46 | NooBmonk3y | still errors when i try to run on device |
| 15:39.16 | MohammadAG | which are? |
| 15:39.45 | NooBmonk3y | same as before |
| 15:39.50 | NooBmonk3y | :-1: error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2 |
| 15:39.55 | NooBmonk3y | + error i pastebinned |
| 15:40.07 | MohammadAG | you can't run that on device o_O |
| 15:40.41 | NooBmonk3y | lol i could last night lol |
| 15:41.19 | GAN900 | 1919 Model T in the parking lot. |
| 15:41.35 | GAN900 | Guy drove it on the interstate to get here. <_< |
| 15:41.44 | MohammadAG | you can't run dpkg-buildpackage on the device |
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| 15:42.29 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ? |
| 15:42.36 | NooBmonk3y | i click run on the pc |
| 15:42.42 | NooBmonk3y | and it does its stuff then shoves it to the device |
| 15:42.49 | NooBmonk3y | worked 1000's of times before, tis odd |
| 15:43.06 | MohammadAG | it doesn't shove to the device, it fails before that |
| 15:43.11 | NooBmonk3y | yeah :| |
| 15:43.26 | MohammadAG | clean project (right click, click clean) |
| 15:43.35 | MohammadAG | then right click, qmake |
| 15:43.37 | MohammadAG | and run again |
| 15:43.37 | NooBmonk3y | yeah mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa _S works ine, and autobuilder etc working fine |
| 15:44.38 | NooBmonk3y | same error |
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| 15:46.53 | MohammadAG | ask Venemo I suppose, I hate Qt Creator's packaging scheme |
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| 15:49.14 | otwieracz | Hello. |
| 15:49.20 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
| 15:50.58 | alterego | http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png |
| 15:51.01 | alterego | TV + XBox :) |
| 15:51.48 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas if this can be used with Qt? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-enable-zoom-keys |
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| 15:52.18 | alterego | Ah, I use the zoom keys in columbus |
| 15:52.22 | alterego | Would you like to know how? :) |
| 15:52.33 | otwieracz | O have problem with Piding at my n810 with OS2008 - I'm getting ping timeout and I'm unable to reconnect (still âConnectingâ¦â) - network works, other apps like web browser too |
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| 15:53.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, sure :D |
| 15:53.36 | otwieracz | Anybody have the same problem? |
| 15:53.39 | otwieracz | What can be wrong? |
| 15:53.51 | alterego | MohammadAG: it's basically two functions you need to implement/call in your MAinWindow |
| 15:53.55 | alterego | I'll stick them in pastie |
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| 15:55.40 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1347302 |
| 15:55.46 | alterego | Copy those to functions. |
| 15:56.00 | alterego | Then in your MAinWindow call setupX11Keys() |
| 15:56.17 | alterego | And put the code you want for each key in the keyPressEvent, which will magically get called from now on ;) |
| 15:56.40 | MohammadAG | err, up/down is F7/F8? |
| 15:57.06 | alterego | Yes, but they only get processed by Qt after you setup that X11 property. |
| 15:57.38 | GAN900 | alterego, your colors are hateful. |
| 15:57.52 | alterego | GAN900: I know :P |
| 15:58.07 | alterego | I'm concentrating on getting it working nicely, UI abstracts first. |
| 15:58.10 | alterego | Then eye candy later. |
| 15:59.42 | GAN900 | Lame |
| 16:00.33 | RST38h | Moo GAN900 |
| 16:00.46 | GAN900 | Howdy, RST38h. |
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| 16:19.57 | lcuk_idea | yo rm_you \o |
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| 16:24.45 | rm_you | hey lcuk |
| 16:24.51 | rm_you | or, lcuk_idea |
| 16:24.54 | rm_you | do you have an idea? :P |
| 16:25.18 | rm_you | having a job is ridiculous >_> very bad for productivity |
| 16:25.21 | lcuk_idea | rm_you, i have an ideapad running meego :P |
| 16:25.32 | rm_you | ah :P |
| 16:25.57 | chem|st | what a waste.... |
| 16:26.03 | lcuk_idea | chem|st, hm? |
| 16:26.19 | rm_you | how was Dublin? |
| 16:26.22 | rm_you | I assume you went |
| 16:26.28 | lcuk_idea | dublin was awesome indeed |
| 16:26.34 | rm_you | I would have gone and just paid for it myself if I could have gotten the time off |
| 16:26.39 | rm_you | even unpaid time off... <_< |
| 16:27.08 | rm_you | I'm working for a major Oil&Gas company |
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| 16:27.12 | lcuk_idea | nods |
| 16:27.24 | lcuk_idea | you produce enough gas so it was only a matter of time |
| 16:27.31 | rm_you | lolol |
| 16:28.00 | lcuk_idea | what are you actually doing for them? |
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| 16:28.45 | GAN900 | Filtering oil through your teeth? |
| 16:30.32 | lcuk_idea | GAN900, did the gulf spill ever get near your end |
| 16:30.42 | GAN900 | Not where I love |
| 16:30.56 | GAN900 | Thanks to the shelf and currents. |
| 16:31.01 | GAN900 | Er, live*. |
| 16:31.05 | lcuk_idea | thats good then :) so those little alien helmet creatures are still around |
| 16:31.13 | GAN900 | does love it here, though. |
| 16:31.25 | GAN900 | Seemingly. |
| 16:32.20 | GAN900 | Though spawning season was during the summer. |
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| 16:34.18 | lcuk_idea | how do i get the sticker off this computer without damaging it, i have no finger nails |
| 16:34.43 | GAN900 | Find someone with fingernails? |
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| 16:34.53 | lcuk_idea | good idea |
| 16:34.56 | lcuk_idea | hollers tracy |
| 16:37.48 | alterego | lcuk_idea: been working on a modular lirc front end in QML today. |
| 16:37.51 | alterego | It's working really nicely :) |
| 16:38.32 | alterego | The basic idea is, it has a nice hideable list, which shows all the remotes you've got configured in your lircd.conf file. |
| 16:38.50 | alterego | Then when you select one, it loads a .qml file which can fire off the button press events. |
| 16:39.03 | alterego | Simple, no support for irexec/batch operations. |
| 16:39.08 | alterego | (yet) |
| 16:39.53 | lcuk_idea | alterego, yeah i have had remote control working happily for last 2 years |
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| 16:40.05 | lcuk_idea | can you make one that looks like this: |
| 16:40.32 | lolloo | eeeww am using a bad theme on my N900 |
| 16:40.40 | lolloo | WHITE !!! |
| 16:40.44 | alterego | Well, the idea of doing in QML, means it's _really_ easy for anyone to write their own custom remote UIs |
| 16:40.53 | lcuk_idea | http://liqbase.net/liq.20091016_041607.liqremote.scr.png |
| 16:41.07 | alterego | lcuk_idea: that'd be easy :P |
| 16:41.18 | lcuk_idea | alterego, remember what we talked about before about buttons in qml and tinting the colors |
| 16:41.24 | lcuk_idea | i used the calculator as example then |
| 16:41.28 | alterego | lcuk_idea: this is what I hve without any eye-candification: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png |
| 16:41.29 | lcuk_idea | this is same principle |
| 16:41.37 | rm_you | lcuk_idea: I work on their identity management system |
| 16:41.57 | lcuk_idea | cool beans alterego |
| 16:42.02 | lcuk_idea | but do they rotate? |
| 16:42.03 | lolloo | candification LOL |
| 16:42.05 | alterego | lcuk_idea: that's for my xbox and TV :) |
| 16:42.09 | lcuk_idea | i can flip the one I have land/port |
| 16:42.18 | lcuk_idea | rm_you, oooh |
| 16:42.21 | alterego | lcuk_idea: well, the IR emitter is on the top, so portrait support I'm not going to bother with. |
| 16:42.32 | lcuk_idea | alterego, my remote control works on n810 |
| 16:42.35 | lcuk_idea | and n900 |
| 16:42.36 | lcuk_idea | and ideapad |
| 16:42.44 | lcuk_idea | and talks to my desktop machine |
| 16:42.47 | lcuk_idea | over tcp |
| 16:42.48 | alterego | I my add support for it, because I guess with an emitter connected to the network it doesn't matter right? |
| 16:43.06 | alterego | Yeh, exactly. It's just the only emitter I hve is in the N900 ;) |
| 16:43.13 | lcuk_idea | no emitter in this case i control media player on windows |
| 16:43.22 | alterego | h, right |
| 16:43.24 | lcuk_idea | i have a tiny deamon that runs |
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| 16:43.51 | lcuk_idea | i can muck around with video control whilst i am on other side of the world |
| 16:43.52 | lcuk_idea | *grin* |
| 16:44.02 | alterego | :) |
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| 16:49.43 | MohammadAG | wonders how to do this in Qt system("dmesg | grep PSFreedom > /var/tmp/.tempdmesg"); |
| 16:49.48 | MohammadAG | cleanly, without a system() |
| 16:50.19 | alterego | Something wrong with system? :P |
| 16:51.04 | MohammadAG | it spawns a shell |
| 16:51.12 | MohammadAG | and it's not native Qt :P |
| 16:52.54 | MohammadAG | I could probably use QString::remove(), but idk how Qt regexes work |
| 16:53.02 | BCMM | that's OK, there's no cross-platform way to read the kernel ring buffer |
| 16:53.05 | BCMM | ;) |
| 16:53.41 | MohammadAG | still, it spawns a shell |
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| 16:54.45 | MohammadAG | nice example: QRegExp rx("^\\d\\d?$"); // match integers 0 to 99 |
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| 17:08.17 | BCMM | MohammadAG: yes, the smiley was supposed to convey that i don't really think that that makes it OK to implement it in Bourne |
| 17:08.26 | BCMM | clearly, you want to write a small FORTRAN program and call taht |
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| 17:10.48 | MohammadAG | grumbles, takes out a knife :P |
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| 17:11.26 | ibansal_ | hi all |
| 17:12.02 | ibansal_ | can anyone help me in installing maemo on ubuntu 9.10 build on virtual box |
| 17:12.13 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 17:12.13 | infobot | i heard maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 17:14.08 | ibansal_ | infobot, thanks |
| 17:14.08 | infobot | bitte, ibansal_ |
| 17:14.37 | BCMM | but knives are even more likely to end badly than regexps |
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| 17:23.44 | Pauly | hello |
| 17:23.51 | Pauly | all |
| 17:25.57 | Pauly | RawRR lol |
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| 17:29.09 | blackthorne | hi |
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| 17:32.26 | blackthorne | it`s impressive how am I so happy with my new n900 |
| 17:32.51 | blackthorne | even though I can`t find the apps that i really need |
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| 17:33.27 | blackthorne | and the battery lifetime is really limited |
| 17:35.12 | SpeedEvil | It depends what you do with it. |
| 17:35.34 | SpeedEvil | If you avoid 3G internet use, then your battery life can go up quite a lot |
| 17:36.35 | MohammadAG | I traded batteries with a classmate, his battery was a new one, got 14 hours with constant wifi |
| 17:36.48 | MohammadAG | I don't get that much with any of my 3 batteries |
| 17:36.59 | haltdef | I'm hoping meego takes off, lots of third party software then |
| 17:37.06 | BCMM | blackthorne: what apps do you really need? |
| 17:38.44 | mikki-kun | blackthorne: battery will always be an issue as long as no portable atomic fusion is possible in a small micro-cell |
| 17:39.50 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: you got bad quality batteries? |
| 17:40.06 | mikki-kun | happened to me 3 times with my batts from dell |
| 17:40.16 | mikki-kun | bad cache of cells i guess |
| 17:40.33 | MohammadAG | doubt it |
| 17:41.09 | MohammadAG | there's another N900 in class, it doesn't get 14h |
| 17:42.27 | mikki-kun | so his n900 got the 14 hours? |
| 17:42.34 | blackthorne | BCMM: eBay and twitter |
| 17:42.37 | mikki-kun | maybe he is not running anything in background |
| 17:42.49 | mikki-kun | *pointing at microB* |
| 17:42.51 | BCMM | blackthorne: those are websites... |
| 17:42.54 | mikki-kun | we have that one for that :) |
| 17:42.57 | BCMM | what mikki-kun said |
| 17:43.40 | BCMM | also, i'm pretty sure there are multiple twitter clients |
| 17:43.42 | SpeedEvil | I get - idle - about 110 hours. |
| 17:43.43 | mikki-kun | we have the best browser on the market, why should we need an app for that then? (except for some flash-websites i admit which are otherwise killing your cpu-performance pretty hard) |
| 17:43.50 | MohammadAG | mikki-kun, no, his battery gets 14 hours |
| 17:43.51 | SpeedEvil | Or 4-5 days |
| 17:43.59 | MohammadAG | I was using it in my device |
| 17:44.01 | SpeedEvil | Logged into wifi with ssh up |
| 17:44.02 | mikki-kun | BCMM: problem is they are not good at "search" |
| 17:44.15 | mikki-kun | buggy or unwanted results coming up pretty often i read |
| 17:44.19 | BCMM | blackthorne: ok, there are a stupid number of twitter clients, do you not have extras or something? |
| 17:44.42 | BCMM | as for an ebay app, what on earth is that when it isn't a web browser? |
| 17:45.02 | MohammadAG | probably an iPhone convert, that thing has apps for everything |
| 17:45.07 | mikki-kun | i think he suspects getting faster loading times |
| 17:45.22 | BCMM | MohammadAG: i'm still not sure *how* there manage to be apps of websites |
| 17:45.43 | BCMM | are they all just shovelware that embeds a web browsing widget that's pointed at a stripped-down version of the site? |
| 17:45.48 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: esniper |
| 17:45.53 | MohammadAG | the same as the big website, with things in one list |
| 17:46.06 | SpeedEvil | http://sourceforge.net/projects/esniper/files/esniper/2.24.0/esniper-2-24-0.tgz/download |
| 17:46.20 | SpeedEvil | esniper is very useful - it's a lightweight ebay sniping tool. |
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| 17:46.21 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: ooh, didn't know they permitted taht |
| 17:46.34 | SpeedEvil | console |
| 17:46.36 | BCMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:46.46 | SpeedEvil | It should actually compile with no issue at all on n900 |
| 17:47.01 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Well - if you have a reliable connection. |
| 17:47.19 | BCMM | hmm |
| 17:47.25 | BCMM | it says ebay does try to block bots |
| 17:47.29 | SpeedEvil | I buy most things on ebay using it. |
| 17:47.39 | SpeedEvil | where? |
| 17:47.40 | BCMM | but doesn't have rules against automated sniping? wth? |
| 17:47.45 | BCMM | http://esniper.sourceforge.net/ |
| 17:48.01 | pupnik | ty for the tip SpeedEvil |
| 17:48.16 | SpeedEvil | Oh - right |
| 17:48.24 | mikki-kun | nice to see something like that floating around... if i'd just need that though ^^ |
| 17:48.26 | corecode | any idea how to implement a libsharing service in python? |
| 17:48.28 | mikki-kun | but will keep that in mind |
| 17:48.32 | SpeedEvil | I've not hit any captcha |
| 17:49.22 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 17:49.29 | SpeedEvil | I see it's recent. |
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| 17:51.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm not getting any requests ofr captcaha - maybe my account is 'reliable |
| 17:53.00 | mikki-kun | maybe you've been long enough @ ebay they know you being not a bot |
| 17:54.14 | mikki-kun | Ã.ö why do i refer to "at" with @? Ã.ö either i am starting to compress information via symbols or my coffee levels are really low |
| 17:55.40 | JakDaRippa | i have the nokia n900. no sim card. using wifi. i have a pay skype account. i haven't been able to sms successfully. do i need a valid sim card to do this? |
| 17:55.58 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: twitter |
| 17:56.11 | mikki-kun | SpeedEvil: i am not using that one |
| 17:56.15 | SpeedEvil | SMS can be done over skype? |
| 17:56.17 | mikki-kun | and never thought about getting one |
| 17:56.28 | SpeedEvil | mikki-kun: @foo is a twitterism. |
| 17:56.52 | SpeedEvil | You definately need a valid SIM to send normal SMSs |
| 17:56.56 | JakDaRippa | SpeedEvil, i'm only able to msg other skype users. |
| 17:57.02 | JakDaRippa | ty |
| 17:57.17 | mikki-kun | JakDaRippa: i am not sure if skype-sms has been implemented to the n900 |
| 17:57.29 | SpeedEvil | Well - I think there are some pilots that enable SMS to 911 |
| 17:57.35 | SpeedEvil | which may work without but... |
| 17:57.58 | RST38h | ran powertop with and without skype account connected, and compared results. Freaking shiiiiiiiiiiiiii.... |
| 17:58.53 | andre__ | JakDaRippa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31085 comments 4 and 5 |
| 17:59.08 | JakDaRippa | ok |
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| 18:00.11 | trumee | RST38h: how about sip? |
| 18:00.23 | mikki-kun | RST38h: care to tell the difference? |
| 18:01.28 | pupnik | i assume skype chewed up battery |
| 18:02.18 | trumee | has his skype disabled. Only cares about sip calls. |
| 18:04.14 | BCMM | trumee: i had some trouble with SIP - can you recommend a provider? |
| 18:04.25 | mikki-kun | pupnik: yeah, that's what i think as well, but just how much more is my queston ^^ |
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| 18:04.44 | pupnik | 19:00 < paulguy> I wonder if any porn magazines use latex for their typesetting. |
| 18:04.55 | trumee | BCMM: plenty. Try voiptalk.org |
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| 18:05.21 | BCMM | why on earth is that a .org? |
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| 18:05.31 | trumee | BCMM: or sipgate.de/sipgate.co.uk |
| 18:05.57 | trumee | BCMM: its a uk based provider, no idea whey use .org |
| 18:07.11 | trx | what package do i need to install in order to use mysql client library? |
| 18:07.16 | BCMM | trumee: thanks |
| 18:07.42 | trumee | BCMM: np |
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| 18:26.31 | trx | does anyone know what package do i need in order to use mysql? |
| 18:30.34 | lcuk | trx, at a guess, one of the mysql packages.. |
| 18:30.35 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mysql&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same |
| 18:30.41 | lcuk | eek @ that uber url |
| 18:34.13 | trx | i cant see them in extras-devel repo |
| 18:34.22 | trx | thank you |
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| 18:44.04 | apic | Hello everybody. |
| 18:44.16 | Venemo | hello apic |
| 18:44.28 | apic | Somehow my eMMC stopped working. Can I somehow "cold format" it while booted? |
| 18:44.42 | apic | Most applications also lack RAM now... |
| 18:45.16 | apic | I failed my attempts at reflashing the vanilla thingy too |
| 18:45.33 | apic | Just the 256 MB integrated RAM now, not the whole gig... :-( |
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| 18:46.19 | apic | What device on /dev should it get? I just see my microSD card at /dev/mmcblk1 now. Should it get assigned /dev/mmcblk0? |
| 18:46.40 | apic | dmesg tells me something about a corractable ECC error.. |
| 18:46.40 | apic | . |
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| 18:46.46 | apic | s/ract/rect/ |
| 18:48.08 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, figured it out.......... |
| 18:48.28 | NooBmonk3y | 2 QT creator versions on my computer!!! and it keeps loading the old one rather than the new one! |
| 18:49.47 | SpeedEvil | apic: no - they are hardware, not logical addresses |
| 18:50.03 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 18:50.03 | SpeedEvil | apic: Unfortunately, some people have had hardware failures of the emmc. |
| 18:50.12 | MohammadAG | remove the one installed by ubuntu |
| 18:51.38 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, will do :p - just wanna make sure i do the right one! |
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| 19:06.28 | luke-jr | apic: there is only 256 MB RAM, not a gig |
| 19:07.46 | apic | Ok, so I'll just buy a big SDHC card and use mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk0 for swap |
| 19:08.01 | apic | What capacity can it cope with as a maximum? |
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| 19:08.38 | SpeedEvil | apic: 16G |
| 19:08.46 | apic | Ok, thanks. |
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| 19:08.56 | SpeedEvil | apic: the normal software stack as I understand it will not work without the mmc |
| 19:09.03 | SpeedEvil | you'd need to patch it in some way |
| 19:12.22 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, 32GB works |
| 19:14.34 | trumee | MohammadAG: any idea if Power Kernel has pulse-audio patches? |
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| 19:15.18 | MohammadAG | not that I know of, no |
| 19:15.25 | MohammadAG | and pulseaudio is userspace |
| 19:15.27 | MohammadAG | not kernelspace |
| 19:15.49 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: no PA patched in kernel-power |
| 19:17.07 | e-yes | hi all. is there simple way to get is power supply connected or not using gpio? (in kernel) |
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| 19:20.54 | SpeedEvil | e-yes: why? |
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| 19:21.17 | SpeedEvil | e-yes: You can, but you probably9 don't want to do it that way. |
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| 19:21.26 | SpeedEvil | Unless you're writing a bootloader |
| 19:21.59 | SpeedEvil | #maemo-hostmode-discussion may be of use to you. Look at the links in the topic |
| 19:22.02 | SpeedEvil | ADFK |
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| 19:26.49 | e-yes | SpeedEvil, i can't use i2c (other drivers/userland soft fail if i open i2c device in kernel). Also using /sys is not good idea (afaik no way to use it except opening as files). Thx for invite, however, I've added m-h-d channel to favorites;) |
| 19:28.27 | e-yes | looking for best way for "int is_ac_connected(void)" implementation. (I need it for pda_power integration) |
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| 19:32.08 | nox- | moin |
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| 19:53.06 | NooBmonk3y | anyone managed to get QAudioDeviceInfo::availableDevices displaying anything on the n900? |
| 19:53.24 | NooBmonk3y | tried about 4 months ago, and same result today :( - nothing found :( |
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| 19:57.45 | NooBmonk3y | ahhhhhhhh ffs "The low level audio classes (including QAudioInput) are not supported on maemo 5/N900. If Qt Mobility 1.1.1 or later is released for N900 that may change." |
| 19:57.59 | NooBmonk3y | everytime i dig deeper into qtmobility i get shot back :( |
| 19:58.56 | Jay_BEE | not cool at all |
| 19:59.13 | MohammadAG | isn't 1.2 out? |
| 20:00.06 | NooBmonk3y | not mobility |
| 20:00.10 | NooBmonk3y | 1.1 is |
| 20:00.13 | NooBmonk3y | 1.1.1 isnt |
| 20:00.33 | NooBmonk3y | but out and out for maemo seems to be a different thing |
| 20:01.00 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 20:01.04 | Jay_BEE | even though they consider maemo5 a tier 1 platform |
| 20:01.08 | MohammadAG | gives NooBmonk3y a hint |
| 20:01.10 | MohammadAG | babyphone |
| 20:01.21 | MohammadAG | have a look at its source |
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| 20:01.39 | GAN900 | Why do crazy people think I want to hear their crazy theories. |
| 20:01.49 | NooBmonk3y | babyphone? |
| 20:02.00 | GAN900 | Great, so the mantle is full of water and "highly volatile" carbon. |
| 20:02.11 | RST38h | Because they ran out of other opportunities? |
| 20:02.19 | GAN900 | Evidently. |
| 20:03.04 | SpeedEvil | e-yes: what do you mean by that. There are allied projects perhaps. |
| 20:04.09 | crashanddie | what are the good websites / leads for IT jobs in the US? |
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| 20:04.31 | NooBmonk3y | meh, doesnt quite do what i want |
| 20:06.48 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, I said source, not binary |
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| 20:07.13 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i am lol |
| 20:07.24 | NooBmonk3y | its calling what it needs diectly |
| 20:07.34 | NooBmonk3y | i'm trying to call all available input/outputs |
| 20:08.02 | NooBmonk3y | according to qt, pulseaudio seems to be playing around, again....... |
| 20:08.12 | GAN900 | How does the clock's "Update automatically" setting get turned off. . . . |
| 20:08.26 | GAN900 | crashanddie, moving to the US? |
| 20:08.31 | SpeedEvil | Move to the UK |
| 20:08.45 | andre__ | GAN900, clicking on the digits of the clock. Totally non-intuitive. |
| 20:08.55 | crashanddie | GAN900: nha, trying to help out a friend |
| 20:08.57 | GAN900 | andre__, love it. |
| 20:09.10 | crashanddie | GAN900: he got inspired by my success story moving to the UK, so he thought he'd do the same with NY |
| 20:09.37 | crashanddie | problem is, the guy wouldn't be able to explain what the difference between UDP and TCP is |
| 20:11.08 | GAN900 | Oof |
| 20:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: (no PA patches) the more interesting it'll be to find what actually causes the problem |
| 20:12.40 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: that will be more trick if i dont know which patch to leave out in kernel-power |
| 20:14.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | binary dissect |
| 20:15.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | include (a reasonably selected) 'half' of all the patches |
| 20:16.15 | trumee | ls -l patches/|wc -l > 40 patches |
| 20:16.45 | MohammadAG | is there a way to make tar use all cores? |
| 20:18.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | trumee: after 5 kernels to test you know which patch it's been |
| 20:19.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe 6 |
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| 20:27.08 | MohammadAG | needs a scratchbox with an epically fast internet connection |
| 20:27.24 | MohammadAG | short for ^ cba to upload 67MBs cause t-tan is lazy to do it himself |
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| 20:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (multithreaded tar) probably not, esp for compressing |
| 20:32.14 | DocScrutinizer | all threads need to operate on one dictionary |
| 20:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | well, that's actually the gz part |
| 20:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | the tar part even works on one output file, while tar'ing |
| 20:34.20 | MohammadAG | nah, I want it for decompressing |
| 20:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | that's quite easy: have several tar instances extracting one of the files |
| 20:35.05 | MohammadAG | PSFreedom's modules don't play well with headers, they need the whole kernel compiled, so I need kernel-power-source as a package |
| 20:35.05 | MohammadAG | so I could build depend on it |
| 20:35.17 | MohammadAG | sadly, t-tan thinks it's too much work, so I'm maintaining it separately |
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| 20:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | definitely suboptimal management of the sources |
| 20:36.54 | MohammadAG | also, broadcom isn't helping, it went down from 490+ kbps (2 minute download) to 14 or something |
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| 20:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | tzz |
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| 20:38.09 | MohammadAG | oh nice, 1h24m |
| 20:38.25 | MohammadAG | fuck you broadcom |
| 20:38.45 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 20:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | if pk was based on stock repository, you'd not see such problems |
| 20:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | in a proper git tree I mean |
| 20:39.26 | MohammadAG | he told me he removed the crap manually :/ |
| 20:39.39 | MohammadAG | so he actually made it worse on purpose |
| 20:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no clue how to patch out a whole file then? |
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| 20:40.42 | crashanddie | patch out a whole file? |
| 20:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | versus "remove crap by hand" |
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| 20:41.48 | crashanddie | patch only applies a diff to a file |
| 20:42.08 | crashanddie | I guess you're better off just patching out the whole file, and then remove empty files |
| 20:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | so the diff has a lot of - lines then? |
| 20:42.58 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 20:43.03 | crashanddie | at least as many as the original |
| 20:43.15 | crashanddie | or commenting out, I guess |
| 20:43.31 | MohammadAG | no, he's not using a diff |
| 20:43.37 | MohammadAG | he removed them from the source |
| 20:45.05 | crashanddie | I'm lost |
| 20:46.37 | MohammadAG | stock kernel's source makes a kernel-source package, he removed the lines in debian/control and debian/rules that do so |
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| 20:49.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | we need a clean alternative - at very least for h-e-n |
| 20:49.36 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: that still didn't explain what the problem was... |
| 20:51.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I can't apt-get source from a debian/rules file |
| 20:51.48 | MohammadAG | I need to depend on a .deb package, and I need both kernels since maemo lacks dkms |
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| 22:23.40 | GAN900 | Ugh, sinus infection. |
| 22:24.06 | SpeedEvil | Are you sure it's not a cosine infection? |
| 22:24.37 | merlin_1991 | whatabout tangent? |
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| 22:33.17 | GAN900 | SpeedEvil, I hope not. The drugs for that are way more expensive. |
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| 23:01.08 | CableTwitch | Y'ello |
| 23:01.42 | CableTwitch | Question. Has anyone been having issues with Pigin and ICQ accounts recently? |
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| 23:05.09 | CableTwitch | I guess not. |
| 23:05.58 | nox- | i dont use icq but ive read ppl had issues with pidgin too... |
| 23:06.12 | nox- | just their usual protocol rototilling i guess... |
| 23:06.23 | CableTwitch | Ahh, so its not just me. Alrighty. |
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| 23:28.07 | blackthorne | is the n900 supposed to work with a non nokia set of headphones? |
| 23:28.49 | nox- | id say so |
| 23:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: ping |
| 23:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: blue_led1 is looking for source of g_file_storage / g_nokia. Got any pointer for him? |
| 23:30.12 | DocScrutinizer | or anybody else of course |
| 23:32.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mxr |
| 23:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, checking my bookmarks - I feel like having asked same question yesterday :-D |
| 23:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | can't find it |
| 23:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/.... |
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| 23:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/nokia.c ?? |
| 23:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | blue_led1: ^^^ |
| 23:37.17 | DocScrutinizer | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c |
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| 23:40.58 | blue_led1 | found what i need ! |
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| 23:58.41 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, how's the weather over there? |
| 23:59.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | cold and snowy |
