| 00:00.04 | alterego | yawns |
| 00:00.17 | sp3000 | sounds like a plan |
| 00:00.25 | sp3000 | & |
| 00:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | how nuts must be a developer team that makes my N810 diablo display a requester like "[tana_fi_appstarter_load_application]" |
| 00:02.11 | ShadowJK | the "pc" website is also trying to convince me to download adobe flash now and then :) |
| 00:03.02 | DocScrutinizer | hooray for that |
| 00:03.32 | DocScrutinizer | SEVEN hells |
| 00:03.33 | ShadowJK | wonders how to make *.ovi.* use just english instead of the current mix of 4 languages.. |
| 00:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | ...for web "programmers" exclusively |
| 00:05.16 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 00:05.57 | ShadowJK | I found a language setting, and it stuck for, well, only the settings change confirmation page |
| 00:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | the prototype of "oh well, it'll probably mess up and break everything except MSIE-4711.1.23.4.5, but that bouncing dot is just TOO COOL!!" |
| 00:06.33 | ShadowJK | and then reverted back to navigation links in english and content in mostly finnish |
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| 00:08.22 | ShadowJK | positively I haven't seen dutch in awhile, which is good because I don't really understand it :D |
| 00:08.24 | DocScrutinizer | "so please install flash27.3 [link to BS], as this site won't work without that. But then, no other site has such a cool bouncing dot" |
| 00:09.25 | ShadowJK | oh well, in the end I did manage to download a DRM-free music album in 256kbit/s mp3 |
| 00:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | great! I prefer to buy the CD, or even the vinyl |
| 00:11.09 | ShadowJK | considering the sophistication of ripping software, that'd probably been easier and faster :) |
| 00:11.52 | ShadowJK | Last cd I bought was in 2000, when it didn't play in my PC's cd playe |
| 00:11.53 | ShadowJK | r |
| 00:12.06 | ShadowJK | due to some drm crap |
| 00:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes. This whole crap feel slike controlling your toilet paper dispenser with a mainframe, just to get poor quality paper (good one will not be compatible to the dispenser mechanic) |
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| 00:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | unless it's at least flac, on half the price of the record in CD or vinyl - it can rot unnoticed for me |
| 00:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | and nota bene a coninuous media file, with a proper cut sheet, so I don't get those annoying breaks between songs of e.g. Pink Floyd |
| 00:19.02 | DocScrutinizer | this whole mp3 crap is indigestible fast food by design |
| 00:19.08 | ShadowJK | it was almost exactly half price of cd |
| 00:19.31 | ShadowJK | yeah, .flac with .cue is nice format too |
| 00:20.04 | ShadowJK | sleepa |
| 00:20.08 | DocScrutinizer | n8 |
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| 00:53.57 | macmaN | hi gents |
| 00:56.52 | macmaN | if i wanted to patch n900's media player, where is the source tree for it |
| 00:58.35 | macmaN | http://maemo.org/development/sources/ ? |
| 00:59.25 | SpeedEvil | There is no source. |
| 00:59.31 | Robot101 | the UI is not open - the backend might be - called mafw |
| 00:59.40 | Robot101 | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/?root=mafw |
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| 01:00.53 | macmaN | crap, the ui is not open? well thats a big booboo on my plans |
| 01:02.42 | macmaN | i think the whole thing is a quite well done piece of media player, i'd like to add Love button and add an automatic playlist for those |
| 01:03.02 | macmaN | i've come to like it better than mediabox.. |
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| 01:13.29 | BCMM | am i right in saying that all the DSP stuff is implemented in gstreamer plugins, and that any application that plays audio and video using gstreamers gets to use the DSP? |
| 01:13.42 | BCMM | ^gstreamer |
| 01:14.07 | Robot101 | BCMM: right |
| 01:16.12 | SpeedEvil | IF the codec is one of the DSP accelerated codecs |
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| 01:36.04 | robbiethe1st | Hey all. |
| 01:36.39 | DocScrutinizer | hi Robot101 |
| 01:37.45 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: hey! :P |
| 01:42.35 | robbiethe1st | Hm... Anyone know how to turn off autocomplete for xchat on Maemo? |
| 01:44.47 | SpeedEvil | you mean nick autocomplte? |
| 01:49.42 | robbiethe1st | No, text-autocomplete |
| 01:50.33 | robbiethe1st | When I type in the text box, I get all sorts of suggestions, and it's quite annoying. |
| 01:51.18 | BCMM | robbiethe1st: you can turn it off globally in settings |
| 01:54.17 | robbiethe1st | Ah, thanks. |
| 01:54.41 | robbiethe1st | Problem solved. |
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| 02:30.30 | pupnik | marklar |
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| 03:31.40 | iluminator101 | is there app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo? |
| 03:34.04 | iluminator101 | is there an app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo? |
| 03:35.23 | pupnik | what? |
| 03:35.42 | pupnik | is there an app similar to fapm in android? |
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| 04:19.27 | iluminator101 | has anyone used wireshark in n900 do i have to give it permission to run, is dumpcap available in repos |
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| 04:24.30 | pupnik | 1) yes 2) iirc it needs root 3) i don't know |
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| 04:34.41 | jase21 | Suppose I messed the N900 (Maemo OS). Does flashing the restore the phone to original state? |
| 04:35.31 | pupnik | if you flash with the original image, basically yes |
| 04:36.03 | psycho_oreos | ~flashing |
| 04:36.03 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 04:36.07 | jase21 | Where can I get the original image? (You mean like PR 1.2, PR 1.3)? |
| 04:36.19 | psycho_oreos | read the link infobot gave |
| 04:40.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | bot not allowed in jeopardy :-P |
| 04:41.06 | jase21 | is reading that link |
| 04:41.11 | psycho_oreos | what's that supposed to mean? when you need the bot in vain? :) |
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| 04:44.29 | jase21 | ~hello |
| 04:44.29 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
| 04:44.55 | jase21 | ~hello |
| 04:44.56 | infobot | Howdy Bub |
| 04:45.00 | jase21 | ~hi |
| 04:45.00 | infobot | hello, jase21 |
| 04:45.15 | jase21 | ~are you stupid |
| 04:45.15 | infobot | yeah |
| 04:45.23 | jase21 | ~I know that. |
| 04:45.24 | infobot | You know that.? |
| 04:45.58 | jase21 | Is the infobot just matching from the database? |
| 04:46.47 | jase21 | The link clarifies it. Now I think I can do play with Maemo without fear |
| 04:48.31 | jase21 | When I connect online Maemo pops up an update notification. Its around 80 MB. Is that PR 1.3 update? |
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| 08:13.26 | djszapi | How can I use '~' character (home directory) on my N900 |
| 08:14.52 | johnx | hit the 'fn' key then 'sym/ctrl' |
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| 08:15.23 | djszapi | which is the 'fn' key ? |
| 08:15.36 | Appiah | 'sym' |
| 08:15.46 | Appiah | below the 'sym' :D |
| 08:15.50 | Appiah | blue arrow |
| 08:16.01 | djszapi | does not work for me. |
| 08:16.26 | johnx | does it pop up the list of symbols? |
| 08:16.34 | djszapi | ah okay, it works now, I did something wrong |
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| 08:16.42 | Appiah | :) |
| 08:16.42 | djszapi | so I can choose this character there, koolish. |
| 08:16.53 | johnx | and you have to hit ~ twice before it adds it |
| 08:17.07 | djszapi | yeah, kool |
| 08:17.46 | djszapi | why does not the alias work in 'sudo gainroot' ? |
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| 08:18.09 | djszapi | I have set the /home/user/.profile and /root/.profile and it works as the 'user' user, but not as this 'sudo gainroot' stuff. |
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| 08:19.11 | johnx | djszapi, it might not be a 'login' shell when you gainroot, so .profile may not be read? (might be wrong) |
| 08:19.21 | djszapi | no idea. |
| 08:19.29 | johnx | does it work if you manually source .profile after sudo gainroot? |
| 08:19.49 | djszapi | it opens up /home/user/.profile when I type vim ~/.profile in 'sudo gainroot' mode. |
| 08:20.12 | johnx | yeah, so it's not running a login shell for gainroot |
| 08:20.32 | djszapi | yeah, if I source it 'manually' then it works. |
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| 08:20.55 | djszapi | so how can I alias for the 'root' ? |
| 08:20.59 | johnx | i dunno if ash reads something like a .ashrc. try and google and see if it does |
| 08:21.01 | djszapi | * do an alias |
| 08:21.16 | djszapi | well, profile is what you need there according to the google results. |
| 08:21.25 | djszapi | but we see that it just does not work. |
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| 08:21.52 | johnx | yes. with bash, .profile is read for login shells, and .bashrc is read for other shells |
| 08:21.56 | djszapi | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38524 |
| 08:22.10 | RST38h | heya johnx |
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| 08:22.18 | johnx | hey RST38h |
| 08:22.28 | johnx | djszapi, google: ash .ashrc |
| 08:22.54 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: hrm, yeah, i suppose a purpose could be a good idea |
| 08:23.06 | johnx | RST38h, how is your side of the planet? |
| 08:23.32 | djszapi | maybe /etc/profile. |
| 08:23.46 | djszapi | johnx: ashrc does not work |
| 08:24.22 | djszapi | nor an ultimate solution though. |
| 08:24.59 | djszapi | '/etc/profile' does not work either :/ |
| 08:26.13 | johnx | what about ~/.ashrc, the . is kinda important |
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| 08:27.57 | djszapi | I have already told you more times it does not work. |
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| 08:28.56 | johnx | you told me "ashrc" doesn't work. and you definitely didn't do the google search I suggested |
| 08:29.04 | johnx | so, good luck |
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| 08:30.17 | djszapi | I definitely did hours ago. |
| 08:30.27 | johnx | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-January/000450.html |
| 08:30.30 | johnx | and you found that? |
| 08:30.33 | johnx | and tried it? |
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| 08:31.06 | djszapi | and I have told you million times it did not work ?! |
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| 08:31.40 | djszapi | furthermore the issue is solved what is mentioned there (for simple user...) |
| 08:31.57 | djszapi | but this is what I have also already told you |
| 08:32.02 | johnx | another question then. did you install rootsh? |
| 08:32.59 | RST38h | johnx: cold, slightly snowy |
| 08:32.59 | djszapi | - |
| 08:33.21 | RST38h | johnx: lights are off, probably for the next couple of months |
| 08:33.52 | johnx | RST38h, that outside-light? it's pretty unreliable here in the best of times |
| 08:34.11 | johnx | djszapi, if you just install rootsh and run root, root's .profile is sourced since it uses a login shell |
| 08:34.20 | djszapi | k |
| 08:35.36 | djszapi | does not work here. |
| 08:35.41 | djszapi | after that package installation. |
| 08:35.48 | djszapi | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rootsh/1.5/ |
| 08:36.09 | johnx | so you install rootsh, you run 'root' instead of 'sudo gainroot' and export's put in root's .profile don't work? |
| 08:36.22 | johnx | cause they do work here... |
| 08:36.23 | djszapi | ahh not sudo gainroot, I see. |
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| 08:36.44 | djszapi | it works that way, ty. |
| 08:36.58 | johnx | djszapi, when you're busy criticizing me for not reading what you said, you should at least make sure you read what I said :P |
| 08:37.33 | djszapi | I do not think it is the time to blame anybody. |
| 08:37.47 | djszapi | I just did not know this rootsh package and you enlighted me how to use, everybody is happy. |
| 08:37.47 | johnx | glad it works for you |
| 08:38.02 | djszapi | ty =) |
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| 08:40.49 | RST38h | johnx: yea, inside works fine :) |
| 08:41.22 | johnx | RST38h, well, that's all that really matters. those outside-light things are basically legacy systems as far as I care |
| 08:41.45 | johnx | aren't they up for replacement soon? |
| 08:42.49 | RST38h | johnx: they are, but I am not sure humans are in the new design document |
| 08:43.30 | johnx | RST38h, I should make sure I get myself written in as a requirement then |
| 08:44.17 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: wait, why aren't split files with proper start and end times ok? |
| 08:44.47 | kerio | (re:music bought online) |
| 08:45.10 | RST38h | johnx: the specs have been sent by the upper management and we are not there =) |
| 08:45.43 | johnx | guess it's time for a little bribe money to grease the wheels and good lobbyist :> |
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| 08:48.40 | RST38h | johnx: Haven't we crucified the last one? =) |
| 08:49.18 | johnx | RST38h, yeah. wonder if that's a sore point |
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| 09:05.51 | Venemo_N900 | hi |
| 09:07.23 | Venemo_N900 | good morning MohammadAG |
| 09:10.31 | Venemo_N900 | what is the hildon-initscripts package? |
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| 09:13.16 | johnx | Venemo_N900, apt-cache show hildon-initscripts |
| 09:13.33 | johnx | and for specific files: dpkg -L hildon-initscripts |
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| 09:14.39 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: thx |
| 09:14.54 | johnx | in this case 'hildon' means 'miscellaneous' and 'initscripts' means 'config files and utilities' |
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| 09:15.35 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: yeah |
| 09:15.44 | Venemo_N900 | but why did it get updated? |
| 09:16.01 | johnx | when? |
| 09:16.08 | johnx | with PR1.3? |
| 09:16.36 | Venemo_N900 | no, I guess it was in the community ssu repo |
| 09:16.46 | Venemo_N900 | just made me curious |
| 09:16.51 | johnx | looks like there's a version in tools |
| 09:17.07 | johnx | probably not a good idea to take that update unless you know it's from the community SSU .. |
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| 09:17.44 | johnx | mornin' crashanddie |
| 09:17.52 | crashanddie | morning |
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| 09:18.31 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: maybe it was from the SDK repo? (just added that too) |
| 09:18.41 | johnx | yeah. that's what I meant by 'tools' |
| 09:18.55 | johnx | I would download it, and diff the files against the ones you have |
| 09:19.02 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: hmm |
| 09:19.06 | johnx | if I had to guess, I'd bet there's a difference in 'run-standalone.sh' |
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| 09:22.03 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: I think it would be best if I just reinstalled the right one |
| 09:22.31 | johnx | that's probably a good idea ;) |
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| 09:31.57 | Venemo_N900 | johnx: why is it that (not all, but many of) the Nokia guys are morons when it comes to bugs? |
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| 09:37.56 | crashanddie | The answer was in the question |
| 09:38.02 | crashanddie | "the Nokia guys" |
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| 09:38.56 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: yeah, but... |
| 09:39.41 | Venemo_N900 | they take pride in contributing to different open source communities and everything |
| 09:39.58 | Venemo_N900 | so why they suck with their own community then? |
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| 09:44.26 | Surfa | because maintenance is boring and disgusting work |
| 09:44.31 | crashanddie | Why can crackwhores be really nice with customers, but can't treat their own kids well for two damns? |
| 09:44.34 | Surfa | it's more fun to do new things |
| 09:44.57 | crashanddie | Why does an abusive husband beat his own wife, but make tender love to his mistress? |
| 09:46.02 | crashanddie | Most probably because he "owns" his own wife, and there's nothing exciting about trying to conquer her. The mistress, however, he's on the edge of losing if he's not careful, so he's very sweet and indulging |
| 09:46.37 | crashanddie | Or I can go for a car analogy if this one wasn't obvious enough... |
| 09:47.15 | Venemo_N900 | ah |
| 09:47.22 | Venemo_N900 | I get it |
| 09:47.46 | sjk | lardman|gone, I thitnk I did, yeah. :) |
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| 09:54.56 | D-Iivil_Work | f.u.c.k |
| 09:56.18 | D-Iivil_Work | I'm failing to flash eMMC image. |
| 09:57.20 | D-Iivil_Work | After flashing only the kernel without reboot, I command the flasher to flash Vanilla, it finds the device, says it's gonna boot the device into flash mode, after that I see the "dots" running a while, then it stops and stays there forever and flasher tells "no suitable device found"... |
| 09:57.21 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: how is that? |
| 09:58.06 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and try again |
| 09:58.17 | D-Iivil_Work | After that the device is in non-bootable condition. I can however flash the PR1.3 image and make the device bootable again. But I really want to be able to flash the emmc and wipe the device clean.. |
| 09:58.25 | Venemo_N900 | ~flashing |
| 09:58.25 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:58.27 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, I've tried like twenty times... |
| 09:58.38 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: :( |
| 09:59.06 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: are you tring the newest eMMc image? |
| 09:59.35 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, the latest that's available at Nokia's server. |
| 09:59.43 | D-Iivil_Work | Just downloaded it this morning before started to trying to flash. |
| 09:59.53 | psycho_oreos | nokia's server? |
| 09:59.57 | D-Iivil_Work | But I'm gonna give Ubuntu a try if it's the old Windows XP that's failing. |
| 10:00.07 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 10:00.14 | psycho_oreos | ahh that |
| 10:00.53 | D-Iivil_Work | Allthough the eMMC is pretty old (10.2010.13-2) compared to PR1.3 image.. |
| 10:00.55 | psycho_oreos | I'd normally flash via fiasco image first and then the emmc |
| 10:01.08 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, that's what I've been trying to do. |
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| 10:01.30 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, first flashing only the kernel from PR1.3 image without reboot option, then flashing the vanilla and no-go. |
| 10:01.37 | psycho_oreos | D-Iivil_Work, though no reboot in between, so its flasher without the -R switch |
| 10:01.41 | psycho_oreos | hmm |
| 10:01.53 | D-Iivil_Work | I also tried to flash the full PR1.3 image with and without reboots in between and still no go with vanilla. |
| 10:01.58 | psycho_oreos | what if you try flashing the emmc image and then the fiasco? |
| 10:02.04 | D-Iivil_Work | The device just hangs when it's supposed to be booted into flashing mode. |
| 10:02.19 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, tell me how to get that damn emmc flashed and I will :D |
| 10:02.24 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: what is the command you use for flashing? |
| 10:02.30 | D-Iivil_Work | hold on.. |
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| 10:02.47 | D-Iivil_Work | -F emmc_image_here.bin -f -R |
| 10:03.02 | psycho_oreos | the device shouldn't reboot iirc if you didn't use -R |
| 10:03.28 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, ofcourse it doesn't boot after flashing the fiasco. |
| 10:03.30 | psycho_oreos | well -R will reboot the device, and so I presume you had that emmc command last? |
| 10:03.37 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, yes. |
| 10:03.51 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, and that's the one I can't get to pass. |
| 10:04.14 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: seems ok. with what command did you flash the other image? |
| 10:04.43 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, for just the fiasco: -F fiasco_image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f |
| 10:04.56 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, and also: -F fiasco_image.bin -f |
| 10:05.00 | psycho_oreos | hmm, what if you flash the emmc first, so it'll be -F emmc_image_here.bin -f && -F fiasco_image.bin -f -R |
| 10:05.07 | D-Iivil_Work | Both of those are going in just nice |
| 10:05.22 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, the eMMC WON'T GO IN :D |
| 10:05.26 | D-Iivil_Work | This is the output of the flasher: |
| 10:05.27 | D-Iivil_Work | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006. |
| 10:05.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101 |
| 10:05.28 | D-Iivil_Work | NOLO version 1.4.13 |
| 10:05.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_002 |
| 10:05.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Booting device into flash mode. |
| 10:05.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 10:05.29 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: ok |
| 10:05.29 | psycho_oreos | probably not a good idea to flash just the kernel |
| 10:05.45 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, also tried to flash the full fiasco and then emmc, but still no go. |
| 10:05.47 | psycho_oreos | D-Iivil_Work, weird :) |
| 10:05.52 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: use just -F imagename.bin -f |
| 10:06.10 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: is your device bootable right now? |
| 10:06.13 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, for the eMMC? It will_not_work. The command is correct. |
| 10:06.16 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, yep. |
| 10:06.26 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: well then turn it off |
| 10:06.28 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, just flashed in the PR1.3 fiasco and I'm on the desktop. |
| 10:07.05 | psycho_oreos | what if you flashed with pr1.2, and then emmc and when it loads up correctly, flash it with pr1.3 fiasco? |
| 10:07.22 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: no need |
| 10:07.25 | D-Iivil_Work | psycho_oreos, will try that. Donwloading the pr1.2 fiasco atm. |
| 10:07.42 | D-Iivil_Work | But the device is now shut down. |
| 10:07.49 | D-Iivil_Work | Will try to flash the emmc one more time... |
| 10:07.54 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and hold the U key like you did previously and connect it to the computer |
| 10:08.14 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: then just flash with the emmc image |
| 10:08.21 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, you have a better solution if neither flashing emmc directly works nor flashing the full fiasco image of pr1.3 and then emmc? |
| 10:08.55 | RobbieThe1st | D-Iivil_Work: Note that all the required files for booting are inside the fiasco image. The emmc just sets up the partitions and potentially some (not required) files. |
| 10:08.56 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, no go. |
| 10:09.01 | Venemo_N900 | psycho_oreos: well he only tried flashing the emmc after flashing kernel-only |
| 10:09.14 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: any idea? |
| 10:09.21 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, I told I tried to flash the emmc numerous times after flashing ALSO the full fiasco. |
| 10:09.25 | psycho_oreos | Venemo_N900, though he did say the full fiasco flashing didn't work :) |
| 10:09.31 | Venemo_N900 | oh, sorry. |
| 10:09.56 | Venemo_N900 | well you may wanna try from Linux too. the Windows flasher is just dumb |
| 10:10.10 | D-Iivil_Work | No go, dimmed Nokia logo on the screen after the flasher says "Booting device into flash mode." |
| 10:11.19 | D-Iivil_Work | Okay.. Ubuntu up and running, trying to flash there. |
| 10:11.21 | psycho_oreos | that's with pr1.2? |
| 10:12.51 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: a live cd should be enough for this purpose |
| 10:12.54 | D-Iivil_Work | No go with flasher @ ubuntu enviroment. |
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| 10:13.18 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, I have one machine running Ubuntu, it just wasn't powered on. |
| 10:13.23 | hrw | D-Iivil_Work: works for me |
| 10:13.29 | crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work, are you trying to not be helpful or what? |
| 10:13.46 | crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work, "no go" is about as useful as "abloobliblablubleh" |
| 10:13.50 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: ok |
| 10:13.54 | D-Iivil_Work | But same thing, the goddamn device doesn't enter into "flash mode" or what ever it is that emmc is trying to make it go :) |
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| 10:14.22 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, I've provided the detailed info about the state that flasher and the device goes after inputting the command to flash the emmc |
| 10:14.37 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, this is what happens: |
| 10:15.31 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, http://pastebin.com/aa6RQmXT |
| 10:15.53 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, the actual device is on state where I can only see dimmed Nokia logo without the usb-icon on top right. |
| 10:16.20 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, once it managed to show the runnind dots on dimmed backgroudn for a while and then the dots stopped moving and stayed there forever. |
| 10:16.22 | RobbieThe1st | Ok, here's what you do: unplug and turn off the device. use the flasher command, then plug in the device. |
| 10:16.22 | crashanddie | what version of Maemo is it running? |
| 10:16.33 | RobbieThe1st | It will turn on and start flashing |
| 10:16.39 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, currently it's flashed with PR1.3 fiasco |
| 10:16.47 | D-Iivil_Work | RobbieThe1st, the thing is.. it won't. |
| 10:16.59 | D-Iivil_Work | RobbieThe1st, I let it stay there for one hour with no change of the state. |
| 10:17.13 | RobbieThe1st | No... wait. |
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| 10:17.56 | RobbieThe1st | You put the flasher such that it's waiting, "suitable device not found", and with the n900 -off-, plug it in. |
| 10:17.58 | RobbieThe1st | what happens? |
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| 10:18.36 | RobbieThe1st | Take out the battery if you have to, but make sure the n900 is completely off before you plug it in via USB(and that the flasher is "waiting" also) |
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| 10:20.43 | D-Iivil_Work | RobbieThe1st, nothing happens if I disconnect the device on that state. |
| 10:20.53 | D-Iivil_Work | RobbieThe1st, and re-connect it. |
| 10:20.54 | RobbieThe1st | It doesn't turn on? |
| 10:21.20 | D-Iivil_Work | RobbieThe1st, the device turn on yes, but the flasher wont' find it since it's trying to boot the device into "flash mode" |
| 10:22.13 | crashanddie | Just hold the bloody u key down |
| 10:22.26 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, ofcourse I'm holding it down. |
| 10:22.28 | crashanddie | or whatever button it is you have to hold down in order to tell it to flash |
| 10:22.31 | RobbieThe1st | I think he tried to |
| 10:22.47 | RobbieThe1st | I always have done it This way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs (8:30+) |
| 10:22.55 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, as I told.. I can successfully flash the fiasco images, but for some bizarre reason the eMMC won't go in. |
| 10:23.26 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, flasher finds the device, it tells it's "Booting device into flash mode" and after that nothing, empty, halted. |
| 10:23.30 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... |
| 10:23.39 | crashanddie | what do you need the emmc for? |
| 10:23.52 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, I want the device cleaned up from my own stuff completely. |
| 10:24.15 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, ofcourse if there's a way to "format" the device without flasher, please share. |
| 10:24.44 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: just format the vfat partition |
| 10:25.01 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: /opt will be ereased when you flash a PR image |
| 10:25.10 | crashanddie | D-Iivil_Work, your emmc is corrupt to start with |
| 10:25.17 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, but all the contacts, sms's and that stuff isn't |
| 10:25.27 | crashanddie | actually, no, not the emmc |
| 10:25.30 | crashanddie | Your rootfs is dead |
| 10:25.33 | crashanddie | or not good, anyway |
| 10:25.52 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, how come? I can flash the rootfs with no problems. |
| 10:25.54 | crashanddie | It should tell you "Version of sw-release': blablabla something like RX-51_2010... |
| 10:25.58 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: contacts and stuff should disappear when you reflash with PR 1.3 |
| 10:26.06 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, it tells, I just was lazy when typing that stuff into pastebin. |
| 10:26.14 | crashanddie | meh |
| 10:26.18 | crashanddie | idk |
| 10:26.20 | D-Iivil_Work | crashanddie, (can't copypaste from another machine into this chat window) |
| 10:26.23 | crashanddie | or rather, idc |
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| 10:26.35 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: pastebin is for pasting, not typing |
| 10:26.41 | RobbieThe1st | I'm guessing that the rootfs flashes, but that the emmc isn't read/writable so it can't copy the required files on first boot |
| 10:26.45 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, :P |
| 10:27.25 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, actually I first typed them into Notepad and then pasted into pastebin, so technically what I did was pasting ;-) |
| 10:27.33 | Venemo_N900 | lol :P |
| 10:29.37 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: afaik your contacts should disappear when you flash with a rootfs image |
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| 10:30.34 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, hmm... might be. Can't check right now. Maybe I'll just manually wipe the unwanted stuff (like the sqlite database for sms's etc). |
| 10:32.01 | Venemo_N900 | isn't it possible that the files you downloaded are corrupt and this is why they ain't working? |
| 10:32.13 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, that's one option, yes. |
| 10:32.25 | D-Iivil_Work | Gonna try to download the emmc image from another machine and try it out :) |
| 10:32.39 | Venemo_N900 | check md5 checksum too |
| 10:33.01 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, where do I get the original MD5 of the emmc? |
| 10:33.33 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, it's not shared on tablet-dev.nokia.com :-( |
| 10:33.52 | Venemo_N900 | hmm |
| 10:34.00 | Venemo_N900 | well then I dunno |
| 10:34.33 | D-Iivil_Work | Venemo_N900, well.. it cannot corrupt two times in a row with to different computers, can it? :D At least the change for that is very small... |
| 10:34.52 | RST38h | Meanwhile: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/22/tablet_vendor_ipad_2_fear/ |
| 10:36.16 | Venemo_N900 | D-Iivil_Work: yep |
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| 10:37.32 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: ipad is in the "don't care" category for me |
| 10:37.46 | RobbieThe1st | It's in the "absolutely useless" category for me. |
| 10:38.20 | Venemo_N900 | RobbieThe1st: agreed |
| 10:38.51 | Venemo_N900 | for casual use, the ipad is too large (not pocketable) |
| 10:39.03 | Venemo_N900 | for work, it is too small and has no keyboard |
| 10:39.10 | crashanddie | erhm |
| 10:39.20 | crashanddie | it's meant as a leave-it-in-the-living-room device |
| 10:39.28 | crashanddie | and for that, it serves its purpose excellently |
| 10:39.36 | crashanddie | I don't have to use my laptop in the living room |
| 10:39.49 | crashanddie | I can show pictures and videos to friends and families |
| 10:39.54 | Venemo_N900 | yeah, but I don't get what the advantage of that is |
| 10:39.59 | RobbieThe1st | That's what my n900's for |
| 10:40.02 | crashanddie | well, it's not as involved |
| 10:40.09 | Venemo_N900 | I mean, versus a laptop or a netbook |
| 10:40.14 | crashanddie | I can just put it down as I would a book, or a newspaper |
| 10:40.25 | crashanddie | a laptop, there's wires, it runs out of battery, it's bulky |
| 10:40.41 | Venemo_N900 | well the tablet also runs out of battery |
| 10:40.45 | crashanddie | it's probably not for the people who have wires running in their living room, though |
| 10:41.06 | Venemo_N900 | but a netbook for one is already better than an ipad |
| 10:41.24 | crashanddie | well, "better", or "best" is highly relative |
| 10:41.35 | crashanddie | either it suits your needs, or it doesn't |
| 10:41.38 | D-Iivil_Work | Okay, worked now. Didn't re-download the emmc image, but flashed the PR1.2 fiasco first. Weird. |
| 10:41.55 | crashanddie | a netbook has a keyboard too cramped to use it |
| 10:42.01 | Venemo_N900 | if I wanna show photos in the living room, I just connect the N900 to the TV |
| 10:42.04 | crashanddie | and the screen, well, it's shite |
| 10:42.51 | crashanddie | again, wires, you have to move from where you sat if you use the n900's tv connection |
| 10:43.06 | crashanddie | everyone has to pay attention, TV needs to be on, huge distraction |
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| 10:43.30 | Venemo_N900 | well if not everyone wants to, there is the n900 itself |
| 10:43.41 | RobbieThe1st | That's what I do |
| 10:43.45 | crashanddie | with a shit screen, shit keyboard, and shit browser |
| 10:43.49 | crashanddie | and 12h battery |
| 10:44.17 | Venemo_N900 | what? |
| 10:44.24 | crashanddie | You really look cool when you have to hold the screen within 4 inches of your face ^^ |
| 10:44.34 | Venemo_N900 | oh... |
| 10:44.42 | alterego | Eh? |
| 10:44.57 | Venemo_N900 | well I dunno why youre making such a problem of this |
| 10:45.14 | Venemo_N900 | ya see? you woke up alterego |
| 10:45.16 | crashanddie | I'm just one supporting the iPad and suddenly I'm making a problem? |
| 10:45.34 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: anyway, I recommend you this for the iPad: http://fashionablygeek.com/design/i-gots-me-a-big-ass-pocket-for-the-ipad/ |
| 10:45.37 | D-Iivil_Work | Okay, then next question, how can I make ext2 partition that default web browser can access to? Partition should be on MMC card. |
| 10:45.41 | alterego | pfft, the iPad would be worth something if it had usb ports .. |
| 10:46.05 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, it's not about putting it in your pocket, I leave it in the living room |
| 10:46.05 | RST38h | Venemo: This won't work |
| 10:46.07 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: crashanddie loves it anyway |
| 10:46.24 | alterego | Meh |
| 10:46.27 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: what? |
| 10:46.29 | alterego | Each to their own. |
| 10:46.37 | crashanddie | alterego, exactly |
| 10:46.40 | RST38h | Venemo: There is normally an Apple-branded toilet plunger sticking out of the spot where they are attaching the pocket |
| 10:46.52 | RST38h | Venemo: So, no, it will not work. |
| 10:46.53 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: so it's practically useless for me |
| 10:47.23 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: lol. it is funny still |
| 10:47.25 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, sure, I was just pointing out that other people may have other needs |
| 10:47.41 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: yep, that's why I said "for me" |
| 10:48.57 | Venemo_N900 | crashanddie: but I understand what you meant |
| 10:49.00 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, this one should make you chuckle though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI99t9k4aEE |
| 10:49.19 | RST38h | BTW, I am still not getting the netbook craze |
| 10:49.36 | RST38h | It is a laptop. A shitty laptop. Why not get a real one? |
| 10:50.05 | kerio | because eeepcs are so cute ^_^ |
| 10:50.35 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: hehe :) |
| 10:50.51 | Venemo_N900 | nah crashanddie, found a real nice one for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko |
| 10:51.11 | crashanddie | haha, yeah, saw that a while ago |
| 10:51.18 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: some people prefer the size and battery life of netbooks |
| 10:51.24 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: not me. |
| 10:51.36 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: for such purposes, I use the N900 |
| 10:52.21 | RST38h | Venemo: You can get a laptop that is the size of a netbook and works for about the same time |
| 10:52.28 | RST38h | Slightly (~2 hours) shorter maybe |
| 10:53.03 | RobbieThe1st | Damn, that's impressive. Take a look at that will it blend video - half way through bashing it over the corner of the blender, and its -still working- |
| 10:53.33 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: yeah, seen something like that, costs lots of money |
| 10:54.11 | RST38h | Venemo: Starts at $800 |
| 10:54.22 | RST38h | Venemo: The high end model is $1500 |
| 10:54.48 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: yeah... that is a lot for me |
| 10:55.25 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: I prefer regular sized laptops anyway |
| 10:55.46 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: for work, I don't like those too small screens |
| 10:56.45 | crashanddie | 13" laptop is the best |
| 10:57.18 | Venemo_N900 | 13" is way too small for any work |
| 10:57.20 | crashanddie | small for transport (I travel a whole lot), relatively light, 8+ hours autonomy, docking station for keyboard / mouse / 27" monitor |
| 10:57.46 | RobbieThe1st | 15" laptop with 1680x1050 screen = awesome |
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| 10:58.06 | Venemo_N900 | I prefer 15", with at least 1366x768 |
| 10:58.38 | Corsac | 14" at 1400Ã1050 rocks, and 12" at the same resolution is even better :/ |
| 10:58.49 | sougata | Howto stop network-manager in chinook |
| 10:58.57 | Corsac | though nobody produces standard aspect screens anymore |
| 10:59.23 | crashanddie | Corsac, yeah, widescreen is horrible for developers |
| 10:59.38 | nidO | I'm clearly going to get flamed mercilessly but unless it has some massive enormous as-yet-unreported flaw i'm almost certainly grabbing a dell duo when theyre available |
| 10:59.39 | crashanddie | I tried to use my 27" in portrait mode, absolutely horrible |
| 10:59.54 | Venemo_N900 | yeah... although it may be good if you have long lines of code |
| 10:59.55 | crashanddie | the fonts look like crap, and angle of view is stupid |
| 11:00.10 | haltdef | wants that convertible tablet from dell |
| 11:00.19 | nidO | haltdef: thats the duo |
| 11:00.24 | inz | Robbie, 15" at 1920x1200 is awesomer. |
| 11:00.29 | haltdef | that's the one |
| 11:00.33 | haltdef | looks delightful |
| 11:00.37 | RobbieThe1st | They -make- them that nice? |
| 11:00.44 | Corsac | nidO: not sure about the duo but don't ever buy a âhomeâ dell |
| 11:00.50 | nidO | obviously |
| 11:00.58 | Corsac | well, not only from dell |
| 11:01.04 | nidO | dell make nice screens and netbooks but I wouldnt touch their desktops |
| 11:01.31 | RobbieThe1st | Well, not sure about other systems, but 1680x1050's the best you can get on a ThinkPad T500, so that's what I got. |
| 11:01.34 | Corsac | well, their soho laptops are crap too |
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| 11:01.49 | Corsac | I don't like their business laptop much either, but it's less crap |
| 11:02.01 | RobbieThe1st | Near-indestructible laptop, decent specs, great screen. |
| 11:02.12 | Corsac | hmhm, duo is inspiron, inspiron is soho, thus it's crap, period :) |
| 11:02.22 | RST38h | Venemo: $800 is only twice the netbook price, and you do not buy it every year |
| 11:02.35 | hrw | crashanddie: as developer I prefer widescreen then 4:3 |
| 11:02.45 | RST38h | Venemo: [and yes, I do all my work on a subnotebook that is smaller than some netbooks) |
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| 11:03.01 | kerio | has a 17" mbp |
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| 11:03.18 | hrw | crashanddie: in 1920x1080 or 1680x1050 I can open two code windows vertically |
| 11:03.35 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: what I've seen cost twice that |
| 11:04.06 | crashanddie | hrw, I'd rather have 1920x1140 |
| 11:04.33 | crashanddie | hrw, still allows for two code windows vertically, and 100 lines of code for context |
| 11:04.45 | hrw | crashanddie: I hoped for 1920x1200 but 16:10 were hard to find |
| 11:05.15 | RST38h | Venemo: http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11907572&cm_mmc=Base-_-11907572-_-New-_-GY175&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11907572 |
| 11:05.16 | RobbieThe1st | 1920x1080 may not be as good as 1920x1200, but it's currently the biggest you can get with 120hz input |
| 11:05.29 | nidO | hugs 1680x1050 |
| 11:05.30 | hrw | RobbieThe1st: why not? |
| 11:05.44 | hrw | nidO: this is good resolution for 20" |
| 11:05.44 | haltdef | you have nvidia 3d or something? |
| 11:05.45 | flux | hrw, just bought HP ZR24w, it seems quite nice, it has 1920x1200 |
| 11:05.50 | sougata | Can someone please tell me how to stop and start network-manager for Chinook |
| 11:05.55 | hrw | flux: in states? |
| 11:06.10 | RobbieThe1st | um... what? |
| 11:06.10 | flux | hrw, nope, in Finland. I imagined the situation wouldn't be worse there :). |
| 11:07.37 | RobbieThe1st | Well, I've got all nvidia-3d components aside from the glasses and Windows version. I -love- it as a 2d monitor though; animations seem smoother and (provided you have a good enough video card) fps games too |
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| 11:08.13 | RobbieThe1st | You play a FPS game at 100fps+ on a monitor that can support it... You'll never go back to a 60hz monitor. |
| 11:08.47 | alterego | unles you're an addict and you have to |
| 11:08.53 | RobbieThe1st | True. |
| 11:08.56 | alterego | I have me xbox for games .. |
| 11:09.01 | RobbieThe1st | *never -want- to go back |
| 11:09.15 | haltdef | ah nice |
| 11:09.17 | hrw | prboom will give >100fps on my desktop/laptop and this is the only fps which I am able to play |
| 11:09.18 | crashanddie | alterego, heh, ps3 here. only game i occasionally (as in, once a month) play on the computer is SC2 at work |
| 11:09.38 | RobbieThe1st | hrw: But, you don't have a screen capable of handling it. |
| 11:09.49 | haltdef | I'd onoly buy a 120hz monitor for nvidia 3d, it'd cost me a hell of a lot though .. don't have an nvidia card either |
| 11:09.52 | Venemo_N900 | lol |
| 11:10.04 | haltdef | and can't find anywhere to try the damn thing before buying, might be crap :P |
| 11:10.16 | Venemo_N900 | I don't play that much so I don't want a console |
| 11:10.42 | crashanddie | alterego, I nearly got a console for the fable series |
| 11:10.47 | Venemo_N900 | and also, I prefer having a well enough video card in my laptop so I can take my games with me |
| 11:10.48 | crashanddie | s/console/xbox/ |
| 11:11.11 | Venemo_N900 | fable is available for pc isn't it? |
| 11:11.16 | RobbieThe1st | I went from a 1280x1024 monitor @80hz or so to a 1680x1050 monitor at 60hz. It was -acceptable-, but when I upgraded I spent quite a bit and got a nice, high-end Alienware AW2310. I -love- it. |
| 11:11.28 | crashanddie | one thing I never understood about the 360 though... Why call it 360 and not make it have a circular design? |
| 11:11.32 | crashanddie | why square? |
| 11:12.01 | crashanddie | Venemo_N900, my computers really aren't up for gaming |
| 11:12.12 | SpeedEvil | nethack! |
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| 11:12.37 | hrw | RobbieThe1st: 12" green @50 -> 14" mono @58.5 -> 17" @96 -> 17" @96 -> 20" @60 -> 24" @60 + 20" @60 |
| 11:12.48 | Venemo_N900 | Starcraft 2! :P |
| 11:13.14 | Venemo_N900 | that is just the best |
| 11:15.30 | crashanddie | if only they'd removed the DRM |
| 11:15.44 | crashanddie | and not banned people from multiplayer because they cheated in single player |
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| 11:25.18 | sougata | Can someone help me |
| 11:25.30 | sougata | I want to stop the network-manager |
| 11:25.46 | sougata | for a n800 |
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| 12:02.58 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 12:03.24 | slonopotamus | hello from authorized nokia repair service |
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| 12:04.19 | slonopotamus | 'we found no charging issues but replaced power button and resoldered usb connector' |
| 12:05.43 | slonopotamus | and, obviously, i cannot reproduce the problem anymore :) |
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| 12:18.18 | ShadowJK | What charging issues did you have? |
| 12:21.44 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK, it stopped/started again on minimal moves of plugged in charger connector |
| 12:21.54 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 12:21.59 | kerio | did someone port sauerbraten to the n900 yet? |
| 12:22.14 | kerio | also does someone know why Terminal.app leaks memory like an old whore? |
| 12:23.41 | slonopotamus | kerio, scrollback history? |
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| 12:24.22 | kerio | the first question is related to the fps of fps thing |
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| 12:31.05 | lolloo | hellooo0oo everyone |
| 12:31.47 | Shapeshifter | cues clown music |
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| 12:45.32 | MohammadAG | i need help, lots of it |
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| 12:45.40 | MohammadAG | pulseaudio doesn't start at boot up |
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| 12:46.44 | RobbieThe1st | Ouch |
| 12:47.16 | MohammadAG | i tried start pulseaudio in terminal, got respawning too fast |
| 12:47.38 | MohammadAG | now i'm used to this shit happening, but I had to make a call |
| 12:47.49 | jacekowski | oi |
| 12:47.53 | MohammadAG | so i chmod +x'd /etc/event.d/pulseaudio and used it |
| 12:48.05 | jacekowski | i don't think that will help |
| 12:48.10 | jacekowski | try just |
| 12:48.15 | jacekowski | start pulseaudio |
| 12:48.16 | jacekowski | as root |
| 12:48.19 | jacekowski | and see what happens |
| 12:48.20 | MohammadAG | now my calls go to the loudspeaker and I keep getting Internal error. Application 'Calendar' ... the usual |
| 12:48.24 | MohammadAG | as i said |
| 12:48.30 | MohammadAG | respawning too fast |
| 12:48.52 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 12:48.52 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:49.10 | jacekowski | at least you've got some sound |
| 12:49.24 | jacekowski | once i've lost sound and vibrator |
| 12:49.36 | MohammadAG | i won't reflash, since this isn't the first time it's happened |
| 12:50.08 | MohammadAG | how do I check upstart logs? |
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| 12:51.03 | MohammadAG | reboots |
| 12:51.16 | MohammadAG | nice, no mce too |
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| 12:52.56 | RST38h | Moo, all |
| 12:54.17 | MohammadAG | reboot fixed it, till the next time it happens ... |
| 12:54.43 | MohammadAG | my sim card slot is shit, it keeps losing the sim |
| 12:54.58 | jacekowski | my battery is shit |
| 12:55.21 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 12:55.44 | MohammadAG | are there any apt logs btw? |
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| 12:58.00 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, I don't know if there's logging facility for upstart but you might want to have a look at syslog which is available in the tools repo |
| 12:58.04 | jo-erlend | any experience with Python/GTK programming on Maemo? I thought I could just create windows the normal way, but that apparently isn't enough. Where can I learn how to write GTK apps for Maemo using Python? |
| 12:58.30 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, I hate it |
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| 12:58.56 | MohammadAG | jo-erlend, it's the same as PyGTK on linux |
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| 12:59.10 | MohammadAG | well, on gnome, whatever |
| 12:59.17 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, don't like syslog? heh, don't know if there's other alternatives. I use it personally so that I could at least see what's going on :D |
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| 13:01.29 | MohammadAG | what's exit status 127... |
| 13:01.34 | jo-erlend | MohammadAG, that can't be true? "import gtk; mywindow = gtk.Window(); mywindow.show()" <-- that doesn't appear to do anything on my N900. On Ubuntu, that creates a visible Window. |
| 13:03.11 | MohammadAG | i'm not a pygtk expert, ask frals about it |
| 13:03.16 | MohammadAG | but it should work |
| 13:03.19 | jacekowski | python sucks |
| 13:03.20 | jo-erlend | it doesn't. |
| 13:03.26 | jacekowski | that's a problem |
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| 13:03.31 | jacekowski | jo-erlend: how are you doing it? |
| 13:03.33 | jacekowski | jo-erlend: via ssh? |
| 13:03.37 | jacekowski | jo-erlend: or xterminal on phone? |
| 13:03.42 | jo-erlend | jacekowski, xterm. |
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| 13:03.58 | jacekowski | it should work |
| 13:04.03 | jo-erlend | try it. |
| 13:04.07 | jacekowski | nah |
| 13:04.10 | MohammadAG | try a hildon.StackableWindow() |
| 13:04.12 | jacekowski | i have to go |
| 13:04.18 | jacekowski | i'll be back later |
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| 13:04.43 | MohammadAG | but most gtk apps run unmodified on maemo |
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| 13:06.48 | jo-erlend | MohammadAG, "import gtk; import hildon; mywin = hildon.StackableWindow(); mywin.show()" produced the same nothing. |
| 13:07.06 | jo-erlend | I don't get any error messages with either... The window just doesn't show. |
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| 13:20.19 | zap | X-Fade: any news about that version number bug? unzip is still broken and won't replace with a newer version, I even tried to bump the epoch. |
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| 13:20.57 | X-Fade | zap: Sorry, didn't have time to look at it last week as I was in Dublin for MeeGo. |
| 13:21.03 | zap | ok |
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| 13:26.34 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 13:27.06 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: here |
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| 13:48.27 | jo-erlend | oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to enter gtk.main() :) |
| 13:50.43 | alterego | I've got a variable in my code named "ibox" I'm expecting to get sued by both Microsoft and Apple simultaneously. |
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| 14:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hi! |
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| 14:04.01 | javispedro | morning |
| 14:04.57 | RST38h | moorning javispedro |
| 14:05.56 | javispedro | I think I finally got the accelerometer on the ideapad working =) |
| 14:06.10 | javispedro | only found two coordinates though |
| 14:06.26 | lcuk | javispedro, many harddrives only have 2d |
| 14:06.37 | javispedro | hey lcuk |
| 14:07.08 | javispedro | I published the preliminary driver here http://gitorious.org/iaps/iaps |
| 14:07.38 | javispedro | on my ideapad ranges are 400...720 for the x axis and 420..720 for the y axis |
| 14:08.18 | lcuk | cool, what about orientation changes based on slate/laptop mode |
| 14:08.30 | javispedro | that's what I'm aiming for :) |
| 14:08.34 | javispedro | but first things first :) |
| 14:08.38 | lcuk | nods |
| 14:08.47 | lcuk | great seeing you in Dublin btw :) |
| 14:09.01 | javispedro | :) |
| 14:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (2D g-meter) hey funny! so they emergency park heads when you hold the laptop like a book? (detecting free fall) |
| 14:09.42 | lcuk | javispedro, did you see the multitouch input visualisation pic I just posted on #meego |
| 14:10.12 | lcuk | holding it like a book is not freefall |
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| 14:10.26 | DocScrutinizer | for a 2D g-meter it is |
| 14:10.29 | lcuk | zeroing each sensor is freefall |
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| 14:10.46 | lcuk | afaik |
| 14:10.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I am not sure it is the raw output from the accel though, seems that it might be preprocessed |
| 14:10.58 | lcuk | looking at graphs made with liqacceltests anyway |
| 14:10.59 | javispedro | but it is all I could get from the hw... |
| 14:11.23 | javispedro | lcuk: you know how to read the hdaps data? i tried to present it to userspace the same way |
| 14:11.45 | javispedro | would enjoy some graphs :) |
| 14:12.33 | lcuk | javispedro, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS |
| 14:12.42 | lcuk | you should find plenty of examples at the foot of there for the driver |
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| 14:18.26 | javispedro | http://people.ksp.sk/~mic/Projects/Rotate rotate script |
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| 14:19.30 | Jaffa | javispedro: lcuk: Ah, is the lock switch a screen orientation lock? |
| 14:19.56 | javispedro | Jaffa: no, it seems to electrically disable the power button |
| 14:20.11 | javispedro | (I get no events in sw at least :( ) |
| 14:20.14 | Jaffa | javispedro: Make that script stopall meego-im-uiserver... scratch that. Confusing orientation with screen position |
| 14:20.28 | Jaffa | javispedro: Talking of which, can the position of the screen show up as an event? |
| 14:20.31 | Jaffa | javispedro: 'k |
| 14:21.04 | javispedro | it seems to do on windows (position of the screen) |
| 14:21.11 | javispedro | need to look that up later |
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| 14:25.48 | lcuk | Jaffa, talk to timeless, I believe he was playing with auto orientation detection in the W7 partition |
| 14:25.52 | lcuk | and it wasnt so happy |
| 14:26.18 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 14:26.19 | lcuk | but basing orientation on screen state itself (hinge angle maybe?) would be better? |
| 14:26.21 | timeless_mbp | it's way too sensitive |
| 14:26.31 | javispedro | agrees with timeless |
| 14:26.43 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: are you on windows? |
| 14:26.45 | Jaffa | lcuk: What I was thinking; or rotation point, if detectable |
| 14:26.50 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: I kept it |
| 14:26.56 | timeless_mbp | "kept"? |
| 14:27.01 | timeless_mbp | dual boot or exclusive? |
| 14:27.01 | javispedro | installed |
| 14:27.03 | javispedro | dual |
| 14:27.04 | lcuk | Jaffa, I think the switches themselves know if the screen is in slate mode and fixed down |
| 14:27.07 | javispedro | well, triple already =) |
| 14:27.09 | timeless_mbp | how'd you dual? |
| 14:27.11 | timeless_mbp | wants to do that |
| 14:27.28 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: I installed Gentoo and Grub from it. Before that I used Grub from the meego repos |
| 14:27.30 | lcuk | continuing on #meego anyway |
| 14:27.35 | javispedro | agrees =) |
| 14:34.19 | comawhite | blah it takes forever to setup scratchbox + sdk |
| 14:34.29 | comawhite | too much downloading |
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| 14:46.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, updated hostmode-gui and i2c-tools |
| 14:46.37 | DocScrutinizer | cool man 8-) |
| 14:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: now if you could edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=866260&postcount=1 to meet that status |
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| 14:50.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, edit it with what? It depends on kernel-feature-usbhost now :) |
| 14:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | err??? edit it with phpBB edit-post feature in tmo? |
| 14:52.11 | MohammadAG | lol I know, I mean what should I add? |
| 14:54.12 | MohammadAG | I need to paint my old laptop... |
| 14:54.31 | MohammadAG | alterego, ping |
| 14:55.08 | SpeedEvil | passes MohammadAG a can of Magnolia one-coat. |
| 14:56.51 | MohammadAG | covers LG sign and dips can on laptop |
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| 15:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: just update on install instructions and info |
| 15:04.11 | alterego | MohammadAG: pong |
| 15:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | add proper detailed explanation what to install, and how to uninstall rsp where to look for info about uninstalling |
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| 15:10.37 | comawhite | is there a way to get flash in scratchbox? |
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| 15:23.50 | pupnik_ | comawhite: so you can watch your youtubes while you watch your youtubes |
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| 15:24.47 | comawhite | pupnik_, LOL |
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| 15:25.54 | pupnik_ | :) |
| 15:28.07 | yacc | WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! |
| 15:28.07 | yacc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.16 | yacc | Anything I should know about extras-devel today? |
| 15:28.44 | ieatlint | comawhite: have you tried installing it via apt-get? |
| 15:29.17 | comawhite | yeah I did apt-cache search flash but it return some useless app not remotely like flash |
| 15:29.37 | comawhite | also I get /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/defaults: No such file or directory |
| 15:29.41 | comawhite | sorry I'm new to this |
| 15:30.16 | ieatlint | well, i'm a tad confused as to why you want it in scratchbox :P |
| 15:30.31 | comawhite | just to play around with it |
| 15:30.43 | ieatlint | but if somehow that fails, you may be able to simply insert it into "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib/browser/plugins" |
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| 15:31.22 | yacc | Any idea why the packages stopped to verify? |
| 15:35.15 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: Hi MohammadAG |
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| 15:35.24 | jMCg | Hello happy people. |
| 15:35.39 | jMCg | How do I have more than one Mail for Exchange type account? |
| 15:35.59 | ieatlint | you get a second n900 |
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| 15:36.21 | jMCg | That sounds rather inconvinient. |
| 15:36.29 | jMCg | ieatlint: is there any reason behind that? |
| 15:36.30 | MohammadAG | hi gruinelli |
| 15:36.52 | ieatlint | jMCg: you'd have to ask nokia |
| 15:37.00 | Lantizia | lo, has anyone used the google latitude package? |
| 15:37.13 | gruinelli | I got shedskin now working on the server ,also i could compile my module with it |
| 15:37.17 | comawhite | ugh this is being a pita. trying to do the matrix trick but doesn't work |
| 15:37.21 | comawhite | bloody hell |
| 15:37.24 | gruinelli | thank you very much for your great help yesterday! |
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| 15:40.02 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, cool :D |
| 15:40.13 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, you're welcome :) |
| 15:40.38 | MohammadAG | CaCO3, you might as well announce you got shedskin packaged, I'm sure others might want to use it :) |
| 15:40.59 | alterego | Freakin' hell man |
| 15:41.05 | CaCO3 | jup, i will, also i started to create a wiki page for it |
| 15:41.23 | CaCO3 | i was just wondering, if it would not have been wiser to upload shedskin into the sdk repository instead the normal repo, but i guess thats not possible, or now too late |
| 15:41.38 | MohammadAG | nope, it's not possible |
| 15:41.51 | MohammadAG | the builder uses extras, and so do most devs |
| 15:42.25 | CaCO3 | ok |
| 15:42.49 | CaCO3 | just to to check that I do it the right way; in the Make file for my app, I do an "apt-get install shedskin", then I run the shedskin and make. is there a better way to do it? |
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| 15:43.25 | MohammadAG | yeah, that's not the right way :) |
| 15:43.35 | MohammadAG | add shedskin to Build Depends: in debian/control |
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| 15:44.28 | alterego | Ah, I see what the problem is. |
| 15:44.30 | CaCO3 | ah, ok, thanx |
| 15:44.35 | alterego | I'm an idiot ^.^ |
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| 15:45.17 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 15:45.19 | timeless_mbp | bug of the day |
| 15:45.29 | timeless_mbp | someone told me that i could enter *#0000# |
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| 15:45.54 | alterego | You can, well, works for me :P |
| 15:45.56 | timeless_mbp | into my phone to get the system version |
| 15:45.59 | MohammadAG | it says <unknown> |
| 15:46.01 | nidO | yes, you can |
| 15:46.01 | timeless_mbp | alterego: try these more detailed instructions |
| 15:46.02 | MohammadAG | you replaced the kernel, it's not a bug :P |
| 15:46.02 | CaCO3 | And is there a way to get it compiled for armel AND i386? because when I say Architecture: all, it only makes one for i386, so i changed it to armel |
| 15:46.07 | timeless_mbp | press and hold the <blue> key |
| 15:46.09 | alterego | timeless_mbp: are you using a custom kernel? |
| 15:46.21 | CaCO3 | but i thin i386 is anyway not needeed |
| 15:46.21 | timeless_mbp | then press the letters ADPPPPD |
| 15:46.29 | timeless_mbp | alterego: try it |
| 15:46.36 | timeless_mbp | then let go of the <blue> key |
| 15:46.44 | timeless_mbp | do not let go of the blue key early |
| 15:46.48 | timeless_mbp | violators will be shot |
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| 15:47.24 | alterego | timeless_mbp: oh yeah, stops working when the ui starts up :/ |
| 15:47.32 | yacc | Is it only me, or has something changed with the repository, I'm getting unauthenticated packages in extras-devel. |
| 15:47.34 | timeless_mbp | alterego: can i get you to file this bug for me? |
| 15:48.11 | CaCO3 | yacc: I get that too, but i thought I did something wrong |
| 15:48.31 | nidO | I dont get it, wheres the bug? one ui uses one keyboard layout, the other uses another, if you're going to type something involving both of them you need to switch typing accordingly |
| 15:48.32 | yacc | CaCO3, it started just now for me. |
| 15:48.46 | yacc | CaCO3, my setup worked perfectly yesterday (or today morning). |
| 15:48.52 | alterego | timeless_mbp: kinda got my hands tied at the moment ;) |
| 15:48.56 | timeless_mbp | alterego: grr |
| 15:49.02 | timeless_mbp | anyone else believe that it'd work? |
| 15:49.19 | CaCO3 | yacc: Its the first time i compile on the server, so I can not compare it |
| 15:49.51 | pupnik | http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14455854/Fun/163.jpeg germany's answer to the HUMMV |
| 15:49.55 | yacc | CaCO3, for me it's on device. |
| 15:49.56 | alterego | Yay, getting a segfault when the app closes ^.^ |
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| 15:50.47 | alterego | In g_object_unref, well, that is kind of disconcerting when the app is Qt/C++ :D |
| 15:50.52 | timeless_mbp | alterego: better than getting it earlier :) |
| 15:50.55 | alterego | Bet it's mobility and liblocation |
| 15:51.50 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: ... |
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| 15:52.25 | pupnik | better gas mileage was the joke timeless_mbp |
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| 15:55.32 | sivang | timeless_mbp: what's bug of the day? |
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| 15:56.23 | timeless_mbp | sivang: bah |
| 15:56.41 | timeless_mbp | goes off to file it |
| 15:56.53 | timeless_mbp | alterego: is the keymap for BLUE fixed or does it very locale to locale? |
| 15:57.10 | alterego | I think it varies |
| 15:57.17 | alterego | I know it varies actually. |
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| 15:59.35 | sivang | timeless_mbp: maybe you can file the two netbook bugs while on the way? :) they are still waiting in my TODO |
| 15:59.58 | timeless_mbp | alterego: yeah it probably does |
| 16:00.02 | crashanddie | sivang, what OS are we talking about? |
| 16:00.04 | timeless_mbp | ends up w/ five preconditions |
| 16:00.31 | alterego | sivang: this is maemo :P |
| 16:00.34 | sivang | oops |
| 16:00.36 | sivang | right :) |
| 16:00.41 | sivang | crashanddie: yes, sorry |
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| 16:05.00 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, no bug here |
| 16:05.12 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: um, what os? |
| 16:05.17 | MohammadAG | maemo |
| 16:05.28 | timeless_mbp | you pressed and held the BLUE key the entire time? |
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| 16:05.47 | timeless_mbp | do you have a sim inserted and active? |
| 16:07.39 | alterego | Yay :) |
| 16:07.54 | alterego | My plugin system is working well, along with my network service :D |
| 16:07.59 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: sorry, what happened when you tried to follow my steps? |
| 16:08.16 | alterego | "network-server-plugin" Constructing service: "nmea+udp://0.0.0.0:9300" |
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| 16:17.48 | Wizzup | SRL Stats Graphing System in action: http://old.villavu.com/merlijn/static/stats_graph.svg |
| 16:17.51 | Wizzup | eh |
| 16:17.59 | Wizzup | Totally in the wrong channel. Sorry for that |
| 16:18.07 | Wizzup | I thought I was in my bitlbee-twitter chan. |
| 16:18.13 | Gh0sty | hmm now I have some other behavior but still not what I am looking for ... |
| 16:18.35 | Gh0sty | the phone seems to work like it should be but I can't mount my phone filesystem anymore on my linux pc |
| 16:18.55 | Gh0sty | it shows ma a 28GB disk with no file allocation table :p |
| 16:20.18 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: so err... |
| 16:20.21 | timeless_mbp | does it really work for you? |
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| 16:25.58 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, yes, though I think i got something wrong |
| 16:26.33 | MohammadAG | start phone with kb open, start dialing pad, go to skype mode so typing with blue arrow works, and type *#0000# |
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| 16:30.10 | comawhite | how do I get my scratchbox to look like this? http://static.maemo.org/static/d/dd911174994311dcbce661fbd17ed79bd79b_original_original_original_original_original_xchat-os2007.png |
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| 16:33.18 | lcuk | comawhite, buy an n800 and follow the bora sdk guide :P |
| 16:33.45 | comawhite | no way on the n900? |
| 16:34.22 | nidO | well no, thats not a fremantle scratchbox |
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| 16:43.54 | comawhite | hildon-desktop[27436]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: c02435, removing |
| 16:43.56 | comawhite | :S |
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| 16:52.31 | RST38h | back |
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| 16:56.15 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: no no no no no |
| 16:56.20 | timeless_mbp | you don't open the phone application |
| 16:56.31 | timeless_mbp | you start by typing on the home screen |
| 16:56.54 | timeless_mbp | (bug filed) |
| 16:57.50 | MohammadAG | I still don't get it... |
| 16:58.00 | MohammadAG | so, I type *, and I get a * |
| 16:58.15 | MohammadAG | I don't get a # since it's set to cellular mode, so I shouldn't use the blue arrow |
| 17:01.13 | timeless_mbp | err |
| 17:01.15 | timeless_mbp | don't *THINK* |
| 17:01.17 | timeless_mbp | stop THINKING |
| 17:01.20 | timeless_mbp | THINKING IS BAD |
| 17:01.40 | timeless_mbp | the point is that on the home screen to trigger the * which opens the phone you need to hold BLUE |
| 17:01.55 | timeless_mbp | and normally to trigger a * or a # or a 0 you would hold BLUE |
| 17:02.07 | timeless_mbp | there is no reason to think that the first * should behave differently than the second * |
| 17:02.12 | timeless_mbp | a * is a * is a * |
| 17:02.15 | timeless_mbp | except when it's a duck |
| 17:02.24 | timeless_mbp | (which seems to be the maemo way of thinking) |
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| 17:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: there's a GUI design specs flaw. This causes inpit method changing when you open the dialer gui |
| 17:14.57 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: ayup |
| 17:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | actually in diealer the keymapping is mindboggling, as bluekey is reversed |
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| 17:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | it's convenient for entering numbers (the most commn usecase), but obviously it *has* to switch input paradigm when starting the dialer from typing to homescreen |
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| 17:18.05 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise you'd have to specify input method for homescreen to be in 'numlock' mode which is even worse |
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| 17:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | or have two completely opposite input mode modi for dialer, depending on how it's been started |
| 17:19.11 | alterego | timeless_mbp: but if you were more efficient, you'd double tap Fn and then everything would be fine ;) |
| 17:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | or discard the numlock mode in dialer and require user to hold bluekey to enter numbers |
| 17:19.32 | alterego | w00f |
| 17:19.35 | alterego | Bad idea. |
| 17:19.55 | SpeedEvil | Rotary dial on the desktop background |
| 17:20.05 | SpeedEvil | the circular swiping is quite distinctive |
| 17:20.06 | timeless_mbp | generally the right thing to do is to allow numbers with or without BLUE while in Phone mode in the dialer |
| 17:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's fuzzy spec'd in GUI design |
| 17:20.28 | timeless_mbp | the current behavior is "discard input i don't like" |
| 17:20.31 | timeless_mbp | which is stupid here |
| 17:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: that's bad, as I also want chars in dialer |
| 17:20.43 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: ENOTSUP |
| 17:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 17:20.54 | timeless_mbp | for stupid reasons the n900 phone won't let you enter ABC |
| 17:20.59 | timeless_mbp | you can try to get p and w |
| 17:21.05 | timeless_mbp | but that's about it |
| 17:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | so have fun with dialing me at 'sip:joerg@mysipserver.org' |
| 17:21.18 | timeless_mbp | in the non POTS case |
| 17:21.25 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about POTS |
| 17:21.31 | timeless_mbp | when you switch to SIP calling that's irrelevant |
| 17:21.39 | timeless_mbp | i'm *ONLY* talking about POTS |
| 17:21.48 | digitalstimulus | does anyone know of an elegant solution to play an audio file from one computer on another computer? |
| 17:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | dialer isn't POTS-only |
| 17:21.58 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 17:22.02 | timeless_mbp | but it's only insane in POTS |
| 17:22.17 | timeless_mbp | the path i'm talking about is a POTS path |
| 17:22.19 | timeless_mbp | which is broken |
| 17:22.30 | timeless_mbp | because of an *idiotic* behavior for *POTS* |
| 17:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you got a point there |
| 17:23.00 | timeless_mbp | thank you |
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| 17:23.51 | digitalstimulus | I'm trying to get my ubuntu computer to play a file on my n810. I basically am using the program motion to motion detect from a camera source and play a sound, but I would like my n810 to play a sound in another location through the network. Any ideas? |
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| 17:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | ssh N900 play-sound jinglebells.wav |
| 17:26.25 | DocScrutinizer | or learn to use friggin pulseaudio for what it's actually claiming to be superior to ALSA: audio over TCP |
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| 17:26.42 | pupnik | ol |
| 17:26.49 | digitalstimulus | wouldn't pulse need to be running on maemo? |
| 17:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't? |
| 17:27.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, isn't that dead on maemo's PA :P |
| 17:27.09 | DocScrutinizer | that'd be great news |
| 17:27.11 | pupnik | n810 oc |
| 17:27.12 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: |
| 17:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/N900/N810 |
| 17:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | ohh, dunno if diablo has PA- I'd guess it does |
| 17:28.10 | digitalstimulus | hmm, I've not used ssh for one-time login, execut, logout...but that would be a great solution |
| 17:28.17 | digitalstimulus | i've only used ssh interactively |
| 17:28.48 | pupnik | digitalstimulus: if you are just sending an alarm signal, you don't need to stream audio |
| 17:28.48 | DocScrutinizer | with proper dsa_keys it should work |
| 17:29.34 | digitalstimulus | it can play a file located on the n810 too |
| 17:29.51 | digitalstimulus | doesn't necessarily have to be streamed |
| 17:30.09 | digitalstimulus | i'm just trying to make noise in multiple locations |
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| 17:32.23 | pupnik | You can execute commands on remote hosts using the ssh comman |
| 17:32.27 | pupnik | d |
| 17:32.34 | pupnik | http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-appl.remote.html |
| 17:33.19 | pupnik | ssh user@n810 "aplay beep.wav" |
| 17:33.21 | timeless_mbp | digitalstimulus: i discovered that "say" works nicely on OS X :) |
| 17:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | digitalstimulus: |
| 17:34.20 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> ssh -l root IroN900 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav |
| 17:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success |
| 17:34.23 | DocScrutinizer | callback called, error 'Success' |
| 17:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> |
| 17:34.38 | pupnik | is play-sound a builtin DocScrutinizer ? |
| 17:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | (root for me not having a authorized_key on user) |
| 17:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:36.22 | digitalstimulus | for the curious, I am doing something similar to this: http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/ |
| 17:37.06 | SpeedEvil | But with landmines? |
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| 17:37.41 | digitalstimulus | no, I am using just sound right now, but my cat isn't startled with sound playing in the other room |
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| 17:42.36 | Gustavoferreira | hi everyone, when i connect my phone(N900 - maemo) to my pc (ubuntu 10.10) and use the option PC Suit, i can connect to internet on my pc, and when i'm done i have no way to change PC Suit to charge mode only, haven't I? Same thing for mass storage, even after umount it on PC. |
| 17:44.18 | Choom | I believe you can change it by tapping on the clock |
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| 17:45.20 | Appiah | yupp you can change mode |
| 17:45.57 | Appiah | same place as you choose availbility,profile,internetconnection etc |
| 17:46.11 | Appiah | tap the clock as Choom said |
| 17:47.04 | Gustavoferreira | when it is on PC Suit or mass storage you canBt go back in that way :s |
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| 17:47.50 | Gustavoferreira | ok let me see |
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| 17:48.32 | Choom | you're right, it's disabled in PC suit mode |
| 17:49.07 | Gustavoferreira | it just shows the mode i'm, it doesnt let me change it after i'm in mass storage mode or in PC Suit mode |
| 17:49.59 | Gustavoferreira | so, it isn't any way to do that? |
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| 17:51.57 | Gustavoferreira | is there any command on the terminal to change mode after i'm in one of those modes i refered? |
| 17:52.20 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:53.00 | Gustavoferreira | thetering |
| 17:53.16 | Gustavoferreira | i turn on gprs connections |
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| 17:53.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | pc suite mode establishes quite a number of connections/services tat mustn't shut down unadvertedly. I guess that's the rationale you can't stop it like that |
| 17:53.42 | Gustavoferreira | and then with PC Suit i make internet connection available to my pc. |
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| 17:54.01 | pupnik | maybe you can do that with a simple command-line |
| 17:54.08 | pupnik | without using 'pc suit' |
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| 17:54.52 | pupnik | you can also tether over ad-hoc wifi |
| 17:55.14 | pupnik | TMTOWTDI |
| 17:56.04 | Gustavoferreira | or bluetooth using and aplication. |
| 17:56.59 | Funnyface | I never got tethering over bluetooth working |
| 17:57.12 | Funnyface | I had it working once.. and it worked like a charm, then I never got it working again :p |
| 17:57.14 | Gustavoferreira | DocScrutinizer51: so is it bad if i simply disconnect usb cable, isn't it? what can i do then? |
| 17:58.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | good question. You'd think there should be sth like 'safely remove' for mass storage, on your PC |
| 17:59.15 | Gustavoferreira | Funntface: from what i hear, tethering over bluetooth is a really big waste of battery. |
| 17:59.47 | Funnyface | well, wifi is even worse |
| 17:59.47 | Appiah | waste? but what if you really need to get a laptop online? :) |
| 18:00.11 | Appiah | (as in the laptop running some application you cant get running on a n900) |
| 18:01.04 | Gustavoferreira | use usb cable then, it makes internet available and it charges from latptop at the same time. |
| 18:01.41 | Appiah | oh noes I forgot the usb cable , but dont use bluetooth , that's a waste |
| 18:02.07 | Funnyface | that works well when stationary, but when I am at my school, I don't feel like leaving my phone widely visible to everyone, so whenever I need to go afk for a short moment, I have to unplug it, which wears out the ever so dodgy USB connector |
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| 18:02.22 | Gustavoferreira | DocScrutinizer51: you never use PC Suite neither? |
| 18:02.38 | Funnyface | and if you use public transport, having a USB cable point out at the side isn't always that convenient |
| 18:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | Gustavoferreira: nope |
| 18:04.03 | jacekowski | Funnyface: why not? |
| 18:04.11 | Gustavoferreira | that's why someone 'invented' tethering over bluetooth xD to solve some problems, like that one. |
| 18:05.07 | Funnyface | jacekowski: crowded buses and tight seats :> |
| 18:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: quite obviously if you're concerned about your USB receptacle staying alive |
| 18:06.01 | Funnyface | well, it's very simple.. you always have your phone with you, so if bluetooth was working as it should, it'd be pretty much the same as having a PC with a built in GSM/UMTS modem |
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| 18:06.32 | Funnyface | which is very nice and convenient.. but with the USB cable, you have to dig up your laptop, the cable, and the phone, and plug it all in. |
| 18:06.55 | MohammadAG | got scared when he disassembled his N900 |
| 18:07.03 | jacekowski | why? |
| 18:07.08 | MohammadAG | the USB receptacle just hangs there |
| 18:07.11 | jacekowski | a lot of shit inside? |
| 18:07.18 | MohammadAG | any slight movement might break it |
| 18:07.26 | MohammadAG | no, the other shit's fine :P |
| 18:07.40 | MohammadAG | two weaknesses really, the flex ribbon, but I got used to it |
| 18:07.42 | MohammadAG | and the USB |
| 18:08.19 | Funnyface | why did you disassemble it? :> |
| 18:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: the usb receptacle is loose? |
| 18:08.33 | Gustavoferreira | MohammadAG you didn't do that, did you? xD |
| 18:08.51 | MohammadAG | disassembly? it's piss easy |
| 18:08.57 | jacekowski | flex ribbon |
| 18:09.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, my USB is fine, thankfully |
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| 18:09.06 | jacekowski | you mean ribbon connecting screen with base? |
| 18:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, pffoooh |
| 18:09.13 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 18:09.27 | jacekowski | do you know that was reason why most of 7650 have failed |
| 18:09.28 | MohammadAG | disassembled it for the hell of it |
| 18:09.33 | jacekowski | my father had one |
| 18:09.42 | MohammadAG | ribbons? |
| 18:09.46 | jacekowski | and it was that ribbon that just broke after some time |
| 18:09.47 | jacekowski | yes |
| 18:10.04 | MohammadAG | I hate the one in the N900 |
| 18:10.06 | MohammadAG | it's very light |
| 18:10.08 | jacekowski | because you move it up and down and up and down and again |
| 18:10.10 | DocScrutinizer | FPC are generally crap and awful to handle |
| 18:10.22 | jacekowski | well, it lasted for 3-4 years |
| 18:10.27 | jacekowski | so it's not too bad |
| 18:10.39 | jacekowski | btw. i really liked 7650 |
| 18:10.55 | jacekowski | if they would make same one with better hardware inside |
| 18:11.12 | DocScrutinizer | the thinner it is the longer it will stand repeated bending but the easier it breaks on "wrong" stress |
| 18:11.57 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 the weak point isn't the FPC but the crappy B2B connector soldered to its end |
| 18:12.01 | MohammadAG | the annoying thing about it is that it's between very small space when assembled back |
| 18:12.20 | MohammadAG | you don't have enough space to put it back in without making weird faces |
| 18:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | YES :-D |
| 18:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | and odds are the B2B breaks while you show that funny face |
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| 18:13.24 | Funnyface | :o? |
| 18:13.33 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 18:13.52 | MohammadAG | yay |
| 18:14.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, version 0.3 of h-e-n has an option to disable filemanager auto opening |
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| 18:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | nice |
| 18:14.27 | MohammadAG | finally got a settings dialog working |
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| 18:15.09 | MohammadAG | effing tracker kicked in |
| 18:17.02 | RST38h | Mr. Poo managed to hack into FedComp, a data processor for federal credit unions, enabling him to access the data of various federal credit unions. He also hacked into the computer system of a Department of Defense contractor that provides systems management for military transport and other military operations, potentially compromising highly sensitive military logistics information. |
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| 18:17.54 | MohammadAG | and that's the modem gone |
| 18:18.02 | MohammadAG | blames battery going flat without bme running |
| 18:18.32 | MohammadAG | 1283 root 20 0 166m 35m 9824 R 81 0.9 18:35.94 Xorg |
| 18:18.33 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:18.34 | MohammadAG | ffs |
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| 18:19.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://i51.tinypic.com/pb2bl.jpg |
| 18:20.00 | MohammadAG | I know mounting would be better than mount, but it causes horizontal scrolling to show up in portrait mode |
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| 18:22.32 | Arkenoi | i've got an impression after updating to pr1.3 my battery discharges more quickly |
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| 18:34.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: is the sort order HS - FS - LS for a particular reason? |
| 18:34.30 | MohammadAG | HS > FS > LS? |
| 18:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, you're an Arab, I see |
| 18:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 18:36.00 | MohammadAG | lol what's that got to do with anything :P |
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| 18:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | reading/sorting right-to-left |
| 18:36.40 | MohammadAG | that's left to right, from highest to lowest speed :D |
| 18:36.47 | RST38h | Arkenoi: BatteryGraph says it is the same |
| 18:36.48 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 18:37.29 | MohammadAG | maybe it's cause I'm used to high being my first selection, f. my second, and l my last :) |
| 18:37.32 | DocScrutinizer | all other sliders in GUI imply right side is + and left side is - |
| 18:37.37 | MohammadAG | also, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=866260#post866260 #1 updated |
| 18:37.55 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 18:37.56 | MohammadAG | it has a pic of what you want, a shorter microUSB cable :) |
| 18:38.55 | MohammadAG | the Nokia CA-101D |
| 18:39.04 | MohammadAG | it's like the CA-101 you have, with a D |
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| 18:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WTF is API-version 20101110? Is it any different to what Paul published as 20101104? |
| 18:46.38 | MohammadAG | no idea, it's what I've got |
| 18:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | or is it just titan should learn to read? |
| 18:47.04 | MohammadAG | and it's what kernel-power provides |
| 18:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart titan |
| 18:47.15 | infobot | follow's titan with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION |
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| 18:49.11 | MohammadAG | maybe, but it didn't get updated from v44 to v46 |
| 18:49.15 | MohammadAG | so, not sure |
| 18:49.17 | MohammadAG | looks at git |
| 18:49.49 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 18:49.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's the last commit by paul |
| 18:50.07 | MohammadAG | checks if high speed is really high speed etc |
| 18:50.21 | MohammadAG | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=e76da6b011b4112a9755593efdcdd57b327492f0 |
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| 18:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | aah, ok |
| 18:52.23 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough. This *is* an API change |
| 18:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | though, as long as your GUI doesn't use this feature, you should check for version >=20101104 anyway |
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| 18:54.02 | djszapi | Could someone manage a working doc reader on N900 ? |
| 18:54.24 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 18:54.24 | ohwhyme | whats the difference between a fiasco image and a zimage? |
| 18:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | as it's now your new GUI will refuse to work with older API-version kernels, just for the mismatch in version checking |
| 18:54.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'd do that, if I knew how to :) |
| 18:55.09 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm still new to Qt, just replaced a couple of system()s with their proper Qt code |
| 18:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | just do a compare of the strings |
| 18:56.41 | DocScrutinizer | not for equal but for greater-or-equal |
| 18:57.02 | MohammadAG | yeah, but how would the app know that 20101110 > 20101104? |
| 18:57.13 | MohammadAG | it might be true now, but I hate dates as version numbers |
| 18:57.24 | DocScrutinizer | by ascii sort order |
| 18:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | or you do two compares for the two versions you know you support |
| 19:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | probably better. When I specified that versioning scheme I thought of augemnts to API that don't break backwards compatibility. As it looks now we need a break though sooner than I expected |
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| 19:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | as paul raped the "F" and thus broke compatibility to former proc/driver/musb_hdrc debugging interface, where F means Force-session, not Enumerate (which would have been "e" in former API). So I tend to go back to formaer API for that which means your GUI will have to echo e instead of echo F then, for enumerate |
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| 19:06.16 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | also I wasn't aware he discarded the whole bunch of other debug cmds in proc interface, except for that abused F |
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| 19:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | As he seems to not feel like including this to his h-e-n kernel patches, I might prepare a patch to join the proc interface as of sarahn with pauls patches, and that will become next API version that's not compatible to 20101104 or 20101110, but instead will keep compatibility to pre-PF h-e-n kernels and their proc debug API |
| 19:11.04 | CaCO3 | Does sombody know why the lib Libgc1c2 is only in the SDK repos? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgc1c2/ |
| 19:11.13 | RST38h | Steve Jobs invents mobile printing!!!! |
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| 19:12.16 | CaCO3 | and how we can get it into the extra repos one? |
| 19:13.01 | MohammadAG | just upload it |
| 19:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I plan to do extensive tests on that version plus a matching GUI then, base jrbme on this, and we might go for non-beta proper release 0.1 with it |
| 19:13.23 | CaCO3 | Am I allowed to do that? do i have to change the version ? |
| 19:13.38 | MohammadAG | probably not |
| 19:14.25 | CaCO3 | will it show up on the same place as the SDK ones, or is there a conflict? |
| 19:14.53 | Arkenoi | RST38h, too bad others forgot it. the latest and lightest mobile printer one can find is citizen pn60i. but it is 15 years old, supplies are hard to obtain and it is irda only so i cannot print from n900 anyways (even if we had cups support ubiquitous) |
| 19:15.26 | RST38h | Arkenoi: there is plenty of wifi-connected desktop printers |
| 19:15.41 | RST38h | not that I ever had anything to print from the phone... |
| 19:16.13 | Arkenoi | RST38h, and not a single one you can take to an "outdoor" meeting |
| 19:16.58 | RST38h | Arkenoi: depends =) |
| 19:17.12 | Arkenoi | well, nothing like citizen pn60i anyways |
| 19:17.33 | RST38h | wait, other pocket printers do exist |
| 19:17.43 | Arkenoi | and there is no "print" button in maemo software (is it really hard to pipe stuff to lpr?) |
| 19:18.03 | Arkenoi | RST38h, nope, they do not (thermal paper and a6 do not qualify) |
| 19:18.10 | RST38h | http://www.nextag.com/pocket-printers/shop-html |
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| 19:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: I owned a ink jet printer (Siemens?) that had 5 A cells |
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| 19:19.44 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, how much did it weight? |
| 19:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | muuuch |
| 19:20.02 | Arkenoi | RST38h, as i said -- either thermal or not really portable or both |
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| 19:20.40 | RST38h | why is thermal bad? |
| 19:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | thermal is BS |
| 19:21.00 | Arkenoi | RST38h, requires special paper, it sucks. and the paper itself sucks. |
| 19:21.54 | DocScrutinizer | 1985 I had a fax that worked with thermal paper. Was a constant PITA |
| 19:21.58 | RST38h | well, inkjet-printed stuff cannot stand the rain |
| 19:22.04 | DocScrutinizer | in all respects |
| 19:22.06 | RST38h | whichimho sucks more |
| 19:22.37 | Arkenoi | RST38h, actually it sucks less. and thermal paper "documents" look like shit. |
| 19:23.03 | RST38h | well that depends on the paper quality of course |
| 19:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | we should create a printing app |
| 19:23.20 | RST38h | I hope we are not talking the Elekrtonika60 thermal printer? |
| 19:23.32 | korhojoa | hmm |
| 19:23.33 | DocScrutinizer | wait - isn't that app there, called CUPS |
| 19:23.38 | Arkenoi | RST38h, all of them do. |
| 19:24.05 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, there is cups, but no maemo application have any visible "print" button |
| 19:24.22 | Arkenoi | even Docs2go, pdf reader, web browser and modest |
| 19:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | print button pfffff |
| 19:24.52 | korhojoa | hmm |
| 19:24.56 | korhojoa | openoffice should do printing |
| 19:24.57 | DocScrutinizer | export to pdf, store to: printer |
| 19:25.01 | Arkenoi | you may save pdf and print via command line, but it sucks ;-) |
| 19:25.03 | Arkenoi | yes |
| 19:25.26 | RST38h | N900 version of OpenOffice is a freaking joke =( |
| 19:26.35 | korhojoa | true |
| 19:26.36 | Arkenoi | RST38h, not really, compared how could it work on n9, thanks to capacitive screen fanboys |
| 19:26.41 | korhojoa | takes forever to load and is old as shit |
| 19:27.07 | Choom | <- capacitive fanboy |
| 19:27.09 | RST38h | Arkenoi: N9 does have a keyboard, right? |
| 19:27.09 | Arkenoi | btw for some obscure reason it looks better from easydebian than "standalone" version |
| 19:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | but I agree there's a lack of print menu entries/buttons. Even if there's no printer at all in maemo, the print dialog sahould offer "print to file", so the lack of proper printer interface in maemo is no argument to not have print functions where ever appropriate |
| 19:27.29 | RST38h | standalone version has been...well...adapted |
| 19:27.35 | Choom | though I don't have an N9 |
| 19:27.52 | Choom | I'm hoping for the N900 successor to come with a capacitive touchscreen |
| 19:28.17 | Choom | that's the only downside of the N900 for me, other than that I'm a happy customer |
| 19:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | BLAH |
| 19:28.34 | korhojoa | why capacitive? |
| 19:28.39 | korhojoa | i really don't like them |
| 19:28.44 | korhojoa | hitting my fingers on glass |
| 19:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | c-ts is the reason I never will buy a N9 |
| 19:28.49 | Arkenoi | what is capacitive screen good for? sexy "touch, don't press" feel? is it really worth something? |
| 19:28.53 | Choom | because it's a lot more sensitive to touch |
| 19:28.54 | korhojoa | fuck capacitive |
| 19:28.57 | WakiMiko | pinch to zoom is nice though |
| 19:29.01 | Choom | there are capacitive styluses too |
| 19:29.05 | WakiMiko | they suck |
| 19:29.08 | korhojoa | yes, and they're huge |
| 19:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | HAHAHA |
| 19:29.18 | RST38h | disabled allmultitouch features onhis laptop trackpad |
| 19:29.28 | RST38h | Including the pinch-to-zoom stuff |
| 19:29.28 | Arkenoi | and i do not see any advantages of pitch to zoom over zoom button |
| 19:29.30 | DocScrutinizer | that's not stylus, you can eat them |
| 19:29.36 | DocScrutinizer | it's Wieners |
| 19:29.36 | korhojoa | DocScrutinizer, :DD |
| 19:29.39 | RST38h | It is freaking CONFUSING |
| 19:29.49 | WakiMiko | how is it confusing |
| 19:30.04 | Choom | scrolling with the N900's resistive screen with your fingers sucks a bit |
| 19:30.05 | RST38h | The trackpad behaves erratically |
| 19:30.14 | WakiMiko | Choom: i use my fingernails |
| 19:30.18 | RST38h | When you touch it with two fingers, by chance, it starts zooming leftandright |
| 19:30.55 | RST38h | Sometimes it scrolls windowfor no apparentreason (appears to be a zone of the trackpad that does it, but it is not marked) |
| 19:31.01 | digitalstimulus | is there a way to adjust the volume of play-sound on n810? the sound playing the default beep is more quiet than when the default beep plays adjusting the sound level |
| 19:31.10 | lcuk | RST38h, multitouch stroke across the screen http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png |
| 19:31.36 | RST38h | lcuk: Nice, but normally,I am not drawing whale carcasses |
| 19:31.48 | lcuk | sure |
| 19:31.48 | RST38h | lcuk: I am browsing, or programming,or something |
| 19:31.51 | lcuk | just testing |
| 19:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | digitalstimulus: none known here |
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| 19:32.25 | digitalstimulus | docscrutinizer thanks, I figured |
| 19:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | digitalstimulus: a big flaw in play-sound |
| 19:33.15 | digitalstimulus | I don't understand why the volume is lower on play-sound than everything else |
| 19:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | here it's not |
| 19:33.59 | MohammadAG | lcuk, that pic's kinda irritating for eyes :P |
| 19:33.59 | DocScrutinizer | on N900 it seems play-sound always using max volume, even when master volume is down to 2% |
| 19:34.34 | digitalstimulus | hmm, on n810, the default beep sound plays when adjusting the volume. At max volume it plays louder than play-sound outputs |
| 19:34.34 | lcuk | MohammadAG, its also kinda awesome to draw |
| 19:34.40 | lcuk | it makes curly loops when you draw it |
| 19:35.05 | lcuk | to write stuff i have to engage chalk board writing mode though |
| 19:35.16 | lcuk | really really wishes this device had a stylus |
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| 19:36.47 | thresh | ohai |
| 19:37.45 | MohammadAG | lcuk, which device is "this" |
| 19:38.02 | lcuk | the lenovo ideapad from the meego conf |
| 19:38.17 | lcuk | 10" multitouch running meego netbook |
| 19:38.31 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 19:38.40 | lcuk | at present sat between my keyboard and lap trying to replace the a4 pad that used to live there :) |
| 19:39.14 | MohammadAG | replying to spam, to kill boredom, http://i51.tinypic.com/9uyzc0.jpg |
| 19:40.24 | MohammadAG | any ideas why this isn't working? if(!QFile::exists("/proc/driver/musb_hdrc")) { |
| 19:40.26 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.26 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.48 | MohammadAG | the app doesn't quit |
| 19:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't quit or doesn't even notify user? |
| 19:43.11 | lcuk | MohammadAG, potentially threading related? bail out of the function before doing naything else perhaps? |
| 19:43.20 | lcuk | does not know for certain tho |
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| 19:45.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't quit, UI shows up after I click ok |
| 19:46.28 | lcuk | MohammadAG, when are you running this code? which method? |
| 19:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so QApplication::exit(1); doesn't do what you think it should, right? |
| 19:47.45 | MohammadAG | lcuk, constructor |
| 19:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
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| 19:48.38 | lcuk | MohammadAG, the constructor for your class which is subclassed from qapplication? |
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| 19:49.17 | lcuk | ie, making use of methods which (I would expect) to not be ready until the construction was completed..) |
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| 19:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 19:49.38 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:49.57 | lcuk | try flushing a toilet in a half built bathroom |
| 19:50.08 | lcuk | and see if the water goes where you expect |
| 19:50.24 | crashanddie_ | lcuk: I'm guessing you're supposed to do that without using it first? |
| 19:50.44 | lcuk | of course :P |
| 19:50.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: set a flag so your application will abort immediately, in main loop |
| 19:51.22 | proycon | Hmm... Can I simply upgrade to pr1.3 with apt-get upgrade? I guess not? |
| 19:51.33 | lcuk | well how do you cancel construction? |
| 19:52.00 | lcuk | proycon, theres many things you could try, but I would recommend using the backup tool, then using ham |
| 19:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | or simply make constructor throw error, this should suffice for the whole app to terminate, if not caught properly |
| 19:52.08 | crashanddie_ | proycon: there are conflicting feedback about that |
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| 19:52.36 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: an exception? |
| 19:52.50 | proycon | hmm.. cause the nokia pc suite thing will wipe and reflash everything right? |
| 19:52.52 | sjk | hmm |
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| 19:53.08 | sjk | There are "magic" tv remotes |
| 19:53.18 | sjk | Like, you hit a button on them and they find out what brand the tv is, somehow |
| 19:53.28 | sjk | And then it knows what to send |
| 19:53.39 | sjk | I want qtirreco to do that too. :) |
| 19:53.48 | sjk | I have a Samsung tv but I have no idea what model etc |
| 19:53.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope there aren't |
| 19:55.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | those magic remotes work by you pressing a button until TV reacts (usually shutting off) So the remote knows the last time it used the right code |
| 19:56.07 | crashanddie_ | proycon: as lcuk said, backup. Then use Hildon Application Manager to try the upgrade. If it says you need to use PC-Suite, either use pc-suite, or flash |
| 19:56.10 | sjk | Hrm. Well, then I'd want Irreco to do that. ;-) |
| 19:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | without feedback of you to tell remote "it worked" there's no way for it to find proper code |
| 19:56.35 | proycon | yeah, that's what I did yeah..and it indeed said to use pc-suite |
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| 19:56.41 | sjk | I don't have a television set myself, but there is a couple at the gym. I'd like to be able to turn up the volume sometimes, but I don't know what model the tv is |
| 19:56.44 | crashanddie_ | sjk: irreco can't, IIRC, there is no infrared receiver |
| 19:56.46 | sjk | I just know it's a Samsung |
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| 19:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | sjk: you could write a script for lirc, to cycle tru a set of definition files, and you hit a button as soon as the script sends a code that does what you want, so the script tells you which definition it used. Then find a matching irreco remote definition |
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| 20:00.18 | sjk | DocScrutinizer, good idea |
| 20:02.23 | DocScrutinizer | sjk: you find the backend definitions in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/* |
| 20:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | sjk: have a look into /etc/init.d/lirc |
| 20:04.23 | sjk | Hmmm, interesting. I'll see if I can work something out, I'll keep you guys posted. :) |
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| 20:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | you can use netcat or socat to talk to lirc from your script, though I'm sure there are generic lirc cmdline tools to do that as well |
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| 20:07.22 | Aranel | Anybody using kernel-power 46? is it safe? |
| 20:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | safe for waht? |
| 20:08.18 | Aranel | safe to install? from HAM? |
| 20:08.33 | MohammadAG | looks at his device |
| 20:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | I'd hope so |
| 20:08.41 | MohammadAG | looks back at PC |
| 20:08.49 | MohammadAG | nope, looks alive to me |
| 20:08.54 | Aranel | lol ok xD |
| 20:08.58 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 20:09.58 | Aranel | MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: do you have multiboot installed? |
| 20:10.02 | DocScrutinizer | just don't feed it after midnight, or get it in touch with water, otherwise.... |
| 20:10.16 | DocScrutinizer | nah, multiboot is EVIL :-D |
| 20:10.54 | Aranel | well, too late , I installed it months ago :| I wonder if uboot conflicts with it. |
| 20:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | honestly it won't be a happy ending to try and install power kernel on a multiboot system without taking special care |
| 20:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it does |
| 20:11.19 | Aranel | special care as in apt-get remove multiboot ? |
| 20:11.28 | DocScrutinizer | for example, yes |
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| 20:11.53 | Aranel | it looks easy. |
| 20:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | or like in "check multiboot howto about how to install a new kernel" |
| 20:12.31 | Aranel | lol is there any up-to-date howto for that? |
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| 20:13.07 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, but basically if you got uBoot the why'd you need multiboot anyway |
| 20:13.59 | Aranel | well, b/c I'm scared of removing multiboot. |
| 20:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | multiboot is a clever but really ugly and 'dangerous' hack. AIUI it reflashes kernel on every boot |
| 20:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | so it's pretty obvious why simple flashing of a new kernel won't work on multiboot - no matter if it's powerkernel or anything else |
| 20:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | at best it gets reverted immediately on next multi-boot |
| 20:16.22 | Aranel | do you know if apt-get remove multiboot works or not? |
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| 20:16.31 | DocScrutinizer | usually you end with a bootlooping device and you need to properly reflash fiasco COMBINED |
| 20:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | no idea |
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| 20:18.59 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: hmm Google says NITdroid autoinstaller removes multiboot. |
| 20:19.08 | Aranel | worth trying it :D |
| 20:19.17 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 20:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | well |
| 20:19.52 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
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| 20:22.50 | eichi | hello, are there log files in maemo on n800 that uses to much space or other kinds of data, i can delete (caches etc) |
| 20:26.38 | Aranel | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50811&page=51 |
| 20:26.43 | Aranel | look at the first post. |
| 20:27.49 | Aranel | how could he/anyone drew a pic that nice on n900? special app or something? I'm just curious. |
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| 20:29.11 | Aranel | eichi: I don't know anything about N800 but common sense says that you should check /var/log if you want to remove log files. And /tmp for temporary files I guess. |
| 20:29.27 | lcuk | Aranel, mypaint is used by many :) |
| 20:29.38 | lcuk | prefers simple sketches |
| 20:30.38 | Aranel | lcuk: well, then you will fall in love with my last masterpiece: http://www.aranelsurion.org/wp-content/Sketch.sketch-300x127.png |
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| 20:30.54 | eichi | Aranel: kay, good idea, but maybe i have to move boot to sd card again go get "infinity" space again ;) |
| 20:30.57 | alterego | Great, now I'm getting that annoying Qt mobility location services not working. |
| 20:31.17 | Aranel | I hated Art classes when I was high-schooler :| |
| 20:31.18 | lcuk | alterego, you have scary imagination |
| 20:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41807 |
| 20:31.30 | alterego | pfft |
| 20:31.54 | lcuk | alterego, one of my latest doodles http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png |
| 20:32.00 | alterego | It's annoying, because nothing has really changed to stop it from initializing the GPS and using it, it just doesn't work :/ |
| 20:33.01 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: looks very cool, hope I can do better on it :) |
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| 20:36.27 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping |
| 20:38.09 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, pong |
| 20:38.13 | NooBmonk3y | ooo Mo Mo! |
| 20:38.16 | NooBmonk3y | Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow !! |
| 20:38.20 | NooBmonk3y | needs help |
| 20:38.27 | NooBmonk3y | i have 1 mainwindow.... |
| 20:38.37 | NooBmonk3y | i want to press a button and it opens up another mainwindow |
| 20:38.38 | crashanddie_ | NooBmonk3y: I thought you understood the drill no |
| 20:38.39 | crashanddie_ | now |
| 20:38.45 | crashanddie_ | show code, ask question, get answer |
| 20:38.46 | NooBmonk3y | theres a drill? |
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| 20:38.52 | NooBmonk3y | crashanddie, what if i have no code? |
| 20:39.06 | NooBmonk3y | its theoretical code, :P |
| 20:39.14 | crashanddie_ | then ask code, on one line |
| 20:39.15 | crashanddie_ | not 25 |
| 20:39.19 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 20:39.21 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, then read mine :) |
| 20:39.29 | NooBmonk3y | read yours? oh psfreedom? |
| 20:39.35 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, I have 3 (or was it 4...) stacked windows in PSFreedom |
| 20:39.38 | NooBmonk3y | can i have the git pleeeeeeeeeease |
| 20:39.55 | MohammadAG | and 2 in hostmode-gui |
| 20:39.58 | MohammadAG | 3* |
| 20:40.00 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
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| 20:40.54 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/n900-hostmode/hostmode-gui/trees/master |
| 20:40.54 | MohammadAG | code's shorter :P |
| 20:40.54 | MohammadAG | check mainwindow.cpp and aboutwindow.cpp |
| 20:41.03 | MohammadAG | helpwindow.cpp actually |
| 20:41.04 | NooBmonk3y | thanks Mo :) |
| 20:41.07 | MohammadAG | damn that commit is old... |
| 20:41.25 | MohammadAG | yw :) |
| 20:41.45 | MohammadAG | you need the attribute in both windows afaik, the main one, and the stacked window |
| 20:41.53 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, do both windows have to be MainWindows i assume? |
| 20:41.56 | MohammadAG | just use CTRL + F on the files |
| 20:42.32 | MohammadAG | QMainWindows, yes |
| 20:42.33 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 20:42.45 | MohammadAG | how do you want to have a stacked dialog? lol |
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| 20:44.45 | NooBmonk3y | ? |
| 20:44.48 | NooBmonk3y | meh |
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| 20:46.33 | Aranel | is there a known bugs manual for kernel-power 46? or can someone just say what does work and what does not? |
| 20:48.22 | alterego | This is very annoying .. |
| 20:50.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, what is? |
| 20:50.37 | alterego | It's a pain in the arse that's what it is. |
| 20:52.32 | alterego | Well, code that has been working fine for ages, now doesn't seem to be working. |
| 20:52.43 | alterego | And there's nothing wrong with it. |
| 20:52.51 | alterego | Oh, nooooow it's working. |
| 20:53.04 | alterego | looks at what changed. |
| 20:53.33 | MohammadAG | alterego, heh, I got about 10 segfaults, just because the device was in portrait mode |
| 20:53.39 | MohammadAG | I have no idea why that happened |
| 20:53.42 | alterego | Noice :D |
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| 20:54.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: how about a direct way to zoom fontsize in xchat? |
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| 20:55.54 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: do you have uboot installed now? |
| 20:56.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 20:56.22 | Aranel | so it's not required for kernel-power? |
| 20:56.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 20:56.51 | Aranel | ^^ |
| 20:56.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | but aiui it comes with powerk by default |
| 20:57.14 | Aranel | and how did you remove it? |
| 20:57.34 | Aranel | (and why? :p) |
| 20:57.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm on PR1.2 with patches here |
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| 20:58.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | my devel device has h-e-n kernel |
| 20:58.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | pre-power |
| 20:59.05 | Aranel | oh, ok |
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| 21:01.34 | johndo | hi |
| 21:02.01 | johndo | does anybody know if either the fcam drivers or frontview is incompatible with 1.3? |
| 21:02.33 | MohammadAG | no, but they're incompatible with kernel-power |
| 21:02.37 | ShadowJK | frontview seems to work |
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| 21:03.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | fcam is conflicting with 1.3 |
| 21:03.17 | johndo | i lost my /dev/video? devices after installing frontview |
| 21:03.29 | johndo | but not sure if i lost them before |
| 21:04.18 | johndo | ok, than probably fcam was the problem |
| 21:04.36 | johndo | after removing all fcam stuff and reboot i got the devices back |
| 21:05.01 | johndo | so i'm going to retry fronview, thank you |
| 21:05.26 | NooBmonk3y | Thank you MohammadAG :) :) |
| 21:05.29 | NooBmonk3y | got it working |
| 21:05.42 | NooBmonk3y | now i just need to figure out how to make the new window full screen ;) |
| 21:06.51 | MohammadAG | easily |
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| 21:07.24 | MohammadAG | QMainWindow::showFullScreen() would be one way |
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| 21:07.26 | NooBmonk3y | myscreenColour->showFullScreen(); |
| 21:07.28 | NooBmonk3y | hehe |
| 21:07.30 | NooBmonk3y | lol u beat me |
| 21:07.50 | NooBmonk3y | oo shite |
| 21:07.57 | MohammadAG | and, I'm done :D |
| 21:08.03 | NooBmonk3y | destroy ui; doesnt work to close it lol |
| 21:08.04 | MohammadAG | packages up new h-e-n |
| 21:08.07 | NooBmonk3y | w0000t |
| 21:08.17 | MohammadAG | a tip given to me by w00t_ |
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| 21:08.35 | MohammadAG | setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); <-- add it to the constructor |
| 21:08.48 | MohammadAG | to close it, use close() |
| 21:09.33 | w00t_ | isn't nooby a python guy? |
| 21:09.39 | w00t_ | i'm not sure you need that for python |
| 21:10.02 | NooBmonk3y | lol :P |
| 21:10.12 | NooBmonk3y | w00t :) - moving healthcheck to qt / c++ |
| 21:10.17 | w00t_ | ah |
| 21:10.18 | w00t_ | cool |
| 21:10.37 | NooBmonk3y | might as well leanr 2% of another language this year ;) |
| 21:10.40 | NooBmonk3y | about 80% done though, tis on it's way :) |
| 21:11.08 | NooBmonk3y | learn* |
| 21:11.45 | NooBmonk3y | ahaaaaaaaaaa working |
| 21:11.49 | NooBmonk3y | cuddles MohammadAG |
| 21:12.02 | MohammadAG | passes the cuddles to those who helped |
| 21:12.17 | MohammadAG | alterego, w00t_ and Venemo :) |
| 21:13.39 | alterego | fangs :) |
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| 21:14.19 | MohammadAG | btw alterego, I really like coding manually :P |
| 21:14.27 | alterego | It's fun isn't it:) |
| 21:14.33 | MohammadAG | hopefully, won't need to use Qt Designer again |
| 21:14.59 | alterego | Well, I'd still use it occasionally if I needed to knock something up quickly and I knew I didn't need to do anything special. |
| 21:15.12 | alterego | Which is quite rare, as I'm addicted to custom widgets .. |
| 21:15.54 | johndo | frontview is working and /dev/video is still there, so frontview was innocent |
| 21:16.11 | MohammadAG | nope, no custom widgets here, but I hate setGeometry :) |
| 21:16.11 | johndo | thought it would handle camera directly, what it obviously does not do |
| 21:16.19 | MohammadAG | setGeometry() even |
| 21:16.37 | w00t_ | setGeometry loves you |
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| 21:17.41 | NooBmonk3y | setGeometry wants MohammadAG's babies i hear.... |
| 21:17.55 | MohammadAG | gets out his knife again |
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| 21:19.24 | MohammadAG | alterego, took some time, but it's done http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=880625&postcount=426 |
| 21:19.55 | alterego | Meh, the best things do, I've been working on Columbus for 3 months ^.^ |
| 21:20.01 | BCMM | MohammadAG: shiny! |
| 21:20.48 | alterego | MohammadAG: Why don't you remove the lable and use QMaemo5ValueButton(tr("Default File Manager"); |
| 21:20.51 | alterego | instead. |
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| 21:23.36 | BCMM | does kernel-power work with fcam? |
| 21:23.55 | johndo | not on 1.3, just run into that |
| 21:24.06 | alterego | MohammadAG: which is what QMaemo5ValueButton is for ;) |
| 21:24.15 | BCMM | johndo: sorry, was that a response to me? |
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| 21:24.38 | johndo | BCMM: oops, yes. forgot the name |
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| 21:26.45 | BCMM | any idea if there are plans to provide fcam support in kernel-power? |
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| 21:30.38 | satmd | hello |
| 21:31.00 | satmd | I just wanted to tell you that my eap-tls problem vanished with the latest firmware |
| 21:31.04 | satmd | :) |
| 21:32.01 | alterego | Woo :) |
| 21:32.14 | alterego | One satisfied customer then ;) |
| 21:33.01 | thresh | and only |
| 21:33.06 | thresh | ;p |
| 21:33.11 | alterego | test network NMEA streaming |
| 21:33.37 | satmd | sadly, the n900 doesn't always autoconnect to wifi |
| 21:33.39 | satmd | ;) |
| 21:33.56 | satmd | well at least it wasn't me who messed up the radius :p |
| 21:35.11 | MohammadAG | wonders why modest's Nokia Messaging plugin uses a gtk box instead of a hildon one |
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| 21:37.10 | alterego | Really? |
| 21:37.12 | alterego | Urgh :P |
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| 21:39.46 | alterego | Well, TCP network streaming works, both as server or client. |
| 21:39.57 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, theming clearly shows it |
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| 21:40.42 | MohammadAG | night o/ |
| 21:41.04 | alterego | You off? |
| 21:41.08 | alterego | Bit early isn't it?! |
| 21:41.24 | MohammadAG | school |
| 21:41.31 | alterego | Oh, haha |
| 21:41.40 | MohammadAG | sobs |
| 21:41.58 | MohammadAG | i need a netbook with Qt Creator |
| 21:42.27 | alterego | It works alright, when you get it to use all real estate. |
| 21:42.39 | alterego | You should run it as your shell ^.^ |
| 21:42.49 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 21:43.15 | BCMM | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=867665 amused me |
| 21:43.20 | MohammadAG | some periods at school just don't deserve any of my (or others') time |
| 21:43.47 | GAN900 | Another iPhone user surprised by the N900s easy learning curve. |
| 21:44.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | WTF? Renesas Mobile Corp will buy out Nokia's GSM modem division |
| 21:44.23 | MohammadAG | wants Qt Creator on the N900 |
| 21:44.35 | NooBmonk3y | W00000t |
| 21:44.36 | MohammadAG | that would rock, and probably suck at the same time :P |
| 21:44.47 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, Dead Pixel test now working on the new healthcheck :) |
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| 21:46.06 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I thought they already did |
| 21:46.24 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, :D |
| 21:46.40 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer51: why is that a separate division that can be sold off? i would've thought that certain hardware and software would be identical between phones and GSM modems... |
| 21:46.55 | BCMM | (i mean, that doing both would make sense) |
| 21:46.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 21:47.04 | BCMM | (i'm trying not to use the word "synergy") |
| 21:47.07 | NooBmonk3y | :) :) - development is moving quite quickly now, got to do things like the screen mousepointer thingy test and things like the keyboard light tests :) - but going well |
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| 22:12.20 | djszapi | How can I tell to my vim on N900 to read my /etc/vimrc ? |
| 22:14.01 | nox- | dunno but you can use a ~/.vimrc |
| 22:14.19 | djszapi | I know, but my question was different |
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| 22:14.28 | nox- | ok :) |
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| 22:16.18 | BCMM | ln -s /etc/vimrc ~/.vimrc? |
| 22:16.35 | nox- | or that |
| 22:17.05 | djszapi | after your ~/.vimrc gets broken you will be in a big trouble and spend days with debugging... |
| 22:17.18 | alterego | Might implement waypoint uploading via bluetooth and TCP in my app for version 2 .. |
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| 23:41.08 | crashanddie_ | pupnik: "we" is pretty large. I knew about it. |
| 23:41.49 | Zushi | good night everyone |
| 23:42.11 | Zushi | i have a question related to my n900 |
| 23:42.57 | crashanddie_ | ~ask |
| 23:42.57 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 23:43.15 | pupnik | ~answer |
| 23:43.15 | infobot | 42 |
| 23:43.19 | pupnik | stupid bot |
| 23:44.01 | Zushi | anyone anxious to read about :?) |
| 23:44.48 | pupnik | ask or frage doch |
| 23:45.31 | crashanddie_ | Zushi: in case you didn't understand what infobot said: just ask the bloody question already. |
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| 23:47.40 | javispedro | ponders why he just had to write the equivalent of "if (is_device_shut_down()) dont_fsckingly_try_to_wait_for_it_to_answer();" on the linux radeon driver |
| 23:47.46 | pupnik | well this is interesting, there's a revival of the 1906 'pulse jet' to make it go to mach 4 |
| 23:48.19 | pupnik | javispedro: i was momentarily stunned by if (is_device_shut_down() |
| 23:48.31 | pupnik | 'how would it execute?' :) |
| 23:48.51 | pupnik | javispedro: for your personal machine? |
| 23:48.55 | javispedro | yep |
| 23:49.28 | javispedro | I just had a stupid moment where the damn machine wouldn't shut down because it was waiting for the secondary video card to answer. a card which was of course off. |
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| 23:49.58 | javispedro | of course, this eventually caused me to hard shut it down... in front of an audience. dammit. |
| 23:55.51 | pupnik | ow |
| 23:56.15 | pupnik | i had an ati driver problem in front of an audience, come to think of it |
| 23:56.45 | pupnik | at linuxtag of all things |
| 23:56.52 | pupnik | so what happened with you javispedro |
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| 23:58.56 | javispedro | just had to long press power button while forced-smiling :) |
| 23:59.14 | Zushi | ... i did the 1.3 (8mb or so) maemo-update a week ago thrugh the program mannager and after or before -iam not entirely shure - a kernel-update ... n900 was running fine and a lot of smoother as bofore -as i was hoping for ...stupid trackerd or related processes - and then there was another kernel update some days later and the programmannager told me it cant be used becaouse dependencis or something and then while it tried to |
| 23:59.14 | Zushi | go back to the overview of availuable updates wich was taking SOME time i honestly fell asleep and the next time i looked at my n900 i saw the u-boot bootscreen but without backlite and since then a have this magic reboot loop ... i have hundrets of unsaved pictures,videos and textfiles on mydocs(27gb internal) please what should i do :?) |
| 23:59.53 | javispedro | go to talk.maemo.org and see latests posts |
