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| 00:03.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's that xorg noise today? |
| 00:03.54 | nox- | nothing, just my stupid hardwired fingers... |
| 00:04.06 | nox- | trying to spell xor |
| 00:04.08 | nox- | :) |
| 00:04.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | aaah |
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| 00:21.28 | BCMM | you know what is difficult? |
| 00:21.31 | BCMM | typing "linus" |
| 00:21.50 | nox- | heh |
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| 00:57.30 | Termana | good morning |
| 00:57.58 | Noma | good evening |
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| 01:05.42 | jase21 | Hello friends, i bought Nokia N900 :D |
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| 01:06.25 | jase21 | i |
| 01:06.25 | jase21 | 8' |
| 01:06.43 | lolloo | congratulation jase21 |
| 01:06.44 | jase21 | I'm loving it. |
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| 01:07.14 | lolloo | you will soon when you unlock and harness it's geekness power |
| 01:07.21 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:07.29 | jase21 | lolloo thanks. |
| 01:07.44 | SpeedEvil | Are you a linux user? |
| 01:08.06 | jase21 | SpeedEvil yes |
| 01:08.19 | lolloo | wow nice |
| 01:08.49 | SpeedEvil | Now tends to be a bit dead - it's livlier in here about 4 hours ago. |
| 01:08.50 | jase21 | I use ubuntu & backtrack. but still I'm a newbie :P |
| 01:08.54 | SpeedEvil | So leap in that time machine. |
| 01:09.07 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 01:09.28 | lolloo | ah the time machine |
| 01:09.28 | jase21 | what does PR mean: |
| 01:09.35 | psycho_oreos | product release |
| 01:09.45 | lolloo | latest 1.3 |
| 01:10.09 | lolloo | also there is custom kernels made by the community |
| 01:10.10 | jase21 | oh. okay. How to know which one I'm running? |
| 01:10.18 | lolloo | latest power 46 |
| 01:10.22 | jase21 | yes |
| 01:10.33 | psycho_oreos | jase21, go into settings > about product |
| 01:10.35 | jase21 | ok |
| 01:11.20 | jase21 | ok |
| 01:11.51 | jase21 | it shows 1.004? |
| 01:12.23 | jase21 | is there a version like that? |
| 01:12.54 | psycho_oreos | sounds either old or incomplete version string |
| 01:13.17 | psycho_oreos | PR1.3 has version string of: 20.2010.36-2 |
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| 01:14.51 | jase21 | OMG the full string is: 10.2010.19-1.004 |
| 01:15.53 | jase21 | is it incompatibe version :worried? |
| 01:16.04 | psycho_oreos | no its probably older |
| 01:16.40 | Termana | psycho_oreos, 36-2? |
| 01:16.50 | Termana | psycho_oreos, STOP USING NON-GLOBAL FIRMWARE |
| 01:16.58 | Termana | slaps psycho_oreos with some global firmware |
| 01:17.02 | psycho_oreos | PR1.2 you have jase21 only one version below |
| 01:17.31 | psycho_oreos | Termana, apparently that was available over OTA upgrade, not that I have had a choice and I wanted to stick on PR1.2 :) the repo forced me to get PR1.3 |
| 01:17.32 | jase21 | kok |
| 01:18.15 | Termana | jase21, you have the india version of PR 1.2 |
| 01:18.47 | jase21 | but before updating, i would want to do a whole system backup. is backup tp a computer harddisk possible |
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| 01:19.07 | Termana | jase21, I suggest you flash it to a global firmware 1.2 or global 1.3 firmware - but that's just me. |
| 01:19.25 | psycho_oreos | Termana, and apparently 36-2 is just the firmware version, not the non-global version :) check here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 01:19.26 | jase21 | ok |
| 01:20.58 | psycho_oreos | you could probably tarball the entire sysfs directory into /home/user/MyDocs or install backupmenu v2 which is still under testing the last I recall |
| 01:21.24 | Termana | psycho_oreos, hmm, looks like they changed the version numbering system for 1.3 |
| 01:22.02 | jase21 | does the in buit backup do system wide backup? |
| 01:22.17 | psycho_oreos | Termana, well in either case there's no easy way for me to find out if I have global release or not. I suspect I would at any rate anyway |
| 01:22.23 | psycho_oreos | no |
| 01:22.34 | Termana | jase21, no, it will backup your Documents (IIRC) and the app list and it will reinstall your apps on restore |
| 01:22.59 | psycho_oreos | documents and settings mainly, contacts, IM, etc |
| 01:23.31 | jase21 | oh. so i need to install rootsh to do sys backups |
| 01:24.21 | psycho_oreos | if you intend to work with n900's keyboard in writing out the tarball creation process |
| 01:25.02 | Termana | jase21, installing rootsh isn't such a bad thing anyway. If you're a normal linux user I would expect you want root access on your device anyway |
| 01:25.52 | jase21 | yes. Do you have any guide or recommendation on system backup? |
| 01:25.53 | psycho_oreos | chances are, if you're not familiar with maemo's rootfs structure you are going to end up with a very large tarball. I reasonably sized tarball of sysfs minus MyDocs is around 1.9GB |
| 01:26.38 | psycho_oreos | a more clean and intuitive backup than osso-backup would be backupmenu v2 |
| 01:26.39 | jase21 | oh. I have no idea on maemo OS architecture |
| 01:26.54 | psycho_oreos | s/I/A |
| 01:26.55 | jase21 | ok |
| 01:29.11 | jase21 | how to enable extras in app manager? |
| 01:29.38 | psycho_oreos | ~extras |
| 01:29.39 | infobot | it has been said that extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
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| 01:32.56 | jase21 | ok |
| 01:35.01 | jase21 | but the problem is which distribution to select? |
| 01:35.42 | psycho_oreos | define distribution |
| 01:36.26 | jase21 | fremantle version when we add in that repo link in app manager |
| 01:36.47 | jase21 | it depends on the PR version. |
| 01:37.26 | psycho_oreos | read what I said previously, your PR version was already mentiond |
| 01:39.02 | jase21 | ok, guys got it. its 1.2 :D |
| 01:39.59 | jase21 | And the repo is already added with the name maemo.org doh :D |
| 01:40.45 | psycho_oreos | scroll down on the same page for more repos |
| 01:40.51 | psycho_oreos | more official ones |
| 01:41.10 | jase21 | ok. |
| 01:42.37 | jase21 | do you use any irc clients (app) in N900? |
| 01:42.48 | jase21 | other than pidgin |
| 01:42.50 | tristan__ | i just ssh. |
| 01:43.06 | psycho_oreos | there's xchat and irssi |
| 01:43.24 | tristan__ | does the irssi have perl yet, it seemed kind of crippled last time. |
| 01:43.42 | jase21 | are they native to maemo? |
| 01:43.57 | tristan__ | they're arm builds. |
| 01:44.06 | jase21 | ok. |
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| 01:44.38 | psycho_oreos | I dunno I hardly use irssi on n900 much |
| 01:45.11 | jase21 | then I'll try make an IRC client excusicely for maemo (as part of my learning purpose). |
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| 01:45.38 | jase21 | if 8 |
| 01:45.52 | SpeedEvil | xchat works OK |
| 01:46.01 | jase21 | sorry (not used to m) |
| 01:46.03 | SpeedEvil | A nice backend for ... |
| 01:46.05 | SpeedEvil | um |
| 01:46.12 | SpeedEvil | what's that client |
| 01:46.18 | SpeedEvil | quassel |
| 01:46.26 | jase21 | not used to the new keyboard |
| 01:46.44 | jase21 | so i'm typing out errors |
| 01:46.56 | SpeedEvil | I've got up to about 30wpm on it (not now) when I used it consistently for a week |
| 01:47.43 | jase21 | yes, will require some time to get faster. |
| 01:48.45 | jase21 | if I get stuck somewhere is this the place to ask about programming? or maemo-dev? |
| 01:49.16 | SpeedEvil | maemo-dev is probably sane |
| 01:49.22 | SpeedEvil | but here sometimes works too |
| 01:49.40 | jase21 | okay :) |
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| 01:51.38 | lolloo | talk.maemo.org |
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| 01:53.59 | BCMM_ | xchat is nice on the n900, but it really needs kinetic scroll |
| 01:54.21 | BCMM_ | it isn't really scrolable without the stylus |
| 01:54.53 | tristan__ | its abuot the most bearable xchat has ever been honestly. |
| 01:55.58 | Funnyface | -_- my phone won't boot after a reflash |
| 01:56.23 | Funnyface | it just displays "missing image" on the display |
| 01:56.35 | Funnyface | well I guess I have to start over again then |
| 01:57.48 | SpeedEvil | BCMM_: I've bound shift-up/down to pgup/down |
| 01:58.23 | SpeedEvil | you can also use the volume buttons |
| 01:58.30 | SpeedEvil | but I like them for channel up/down |
| 01:59.29 | pupnik | you'd think they'd have figured out how to make unbrickable OS upgrades |
| 02:00.24 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: ping |
| 02:00.47 | crashanddie | P2P on steroids on the PS3... amazing |
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| 02:01.01 | Funnyface | hmm well it booted now.. |
| 02:01.29 | Funnyface | first I flashed the firmware image, then it booted fine.. then I flashed the emmc image, and it didn't work.. then I started over again with the firmware image, and now it works |
| 02:01.37 | Funnyface | so I guess I will just leave it at that then |
| 02:05.25 | BCMM_ | tomorrow it will explode. |
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| 02:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: (xchat) I currently ponder mapping up/down to scrolling in xchat, as you rarely ever need it for input box history. I'll use shift-up/down for that |
| 02:12.27 | BCMM_ | good idea actually; i mostly use up arrow to inadvertantly doublepost |
| 02:12.44 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: you MUST flash rootfs *after* eMMC, or/and MUST NOT boot device after flashing eMMC |
| 02:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | err, ...after flashing rootfs |
| 02:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | whatever, NO boot after flashing the first one and prior to flashing the second one |
| 02:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | except if you flash eMMC first, where it will refuse to boot anyway, until you flashed rootfs as well |
| 02:14.42 | BCMM_ | , |
| 02:17.10 | Funnyface | alright, this place suggested that I did the firmware first, and the OS booted automatically |
| 02:17.13 | Funnyface | but I think it is fixed now anyway |
| 02:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | the suggested "mandatory" sequence of rootfs/COMBINED/fiasko first, *then* eMMC/VANILLA as of wiki - is BS for all images up to date (though it *might* be needed any time in the future, for 1.7.3 :-P) Alas my edits to wiki, which were wellthought and backed up by asking others like e.g lcuk (father of optification afaik) got ruthlessly reverted by somebody who thought he knows better |
| 02:19.00 | Funnyface | hehe |
| 02:19.38 | Funnyface | well, this is what I did: http://theunlockr.com/2010/04/02/how-to-hard-reset-your-nokia-n900-get-it-back-to-out-of-box-state/ |
| 02:20.22 | DocScrutinizer | and how's that interesting to anybody? esp to me? |
| 02:21.08 | DocScrutinizer | the wiki is clear about the "DO NOT boot" part. If you follow the wiki exactly, it will work |
| 02:21.55 | Funnyface | I wouldn't have done it if the phone didn't boot by itself after the flash :> |
| 02:25.04 | Funnyface | either way, it is all good now :p |
| 02:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, the -R is making it reboot |
| 02:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | so what you suggest there is causing trouble for people |
| 02:27.32 | Funnyface | I'm not suggesting anything, I'm just merely stating which guide I followed to get the results I did |
| 02:31.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | oh I thought that's your website |
| 02:31.51 | Funnyface | hehe nope |
| 02:33.12 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: watched the talk btw? |
| 02:33.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, audio was too low, got headache |
| 02:34.11 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: k, fair enough :) |
| 02:34.28 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: I had to increase computer laptop to hear properly. |
| 02:34.35 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: *volume |
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| 03:05.22 | opdf2 | I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.3 |
| 03:05.32 | opdf2 | should I just ignore this? |
| 03:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | good question |
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| 03:10.31 | gustavoferreira | hi everyone |
| 03:10.41 | pupnik | oh no, it's gustavoferreira |
| 03:10.49 | pupnik | just kidding, hello :) |
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| 03:11.27 | gustavoferreira | xD lol |
| 03:11.33 | gustavoferreira | i've a question |
| 03:12.15 | gustavoferreira | i want to install octave on my n900, i've reading, and people said that octave has been ported to maemo, but i can't find the deb file, they said it was on extra-devel repo, but i can't manage to get that :s any help? |
| 03:13.25 | opdf2 | I'm gonna ignore it |
| 03:13.38 | gustavoferreira | one more question, why doesn't this channel have at least an Ops (whatever that means) here? |
| 03:14.04 | Termana | gustavoferreira, why would you ask why the channel doesn't have something that you don't understand anyway? |
| 03:14.26 | gustavoferreira | xD lol because i think ops means something like an "admin" on the channel |
| 03:14.39 | gustavoferreira | opdf2, fell free to ignore, just don't be rude saying that |
| 03:15.02 | Termana | And the answer to that question is - it's standard on freenode for chanops to only give themselves op privileges when necessary, other times they just leave them off |
| 03:15.12 | Termana | gustavoferreira, opdf2 wasn't talking to you :p |
| 03:15.20 | opdf2 | gustavoferreira: I was talking about ignore a notifcation update |
| 03:15.25 | gustavoferreira | oh, ok, in that case, really sorry opdf2 |
| 03:17.18 | gustavoferreira | so, can someone here says to me where can i get that deb file? |
| 03:17.44 | Termana | gustavoferreira, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=848240&postcount=20 |
| 03:18.14 | gustavoferreira | Termana, many thanks for your help, i'll try that right away! |
| 03:28.26 | gustavoferreira | yeahhh xD many many many thanks Termana, really appreciate, when I have a difficulty you guys here always help me figuring it out, Many thanks! |
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| 03:38.31 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: so, remember microb's save-cancel problems? |
| 03:38.32 | timeless_mbp | http://konigsberg.mozilla.org/ideapad/ie9/ie9%20leave%20page%20ok%20cancel.png |
| 03:38.39 | timeless_mbp | is the ie9 version of it, from msn :) |
| 03:39.36 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 03:44.21 | SpeedEvil | Isn't it nice to see old friends turning up in unexpected places. |
| 03:46.35 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: just chatted with this dude http://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/wiki/DragonCopter |
| 03:47.01 | pupnik | Open Source copter qith arm cortex cpus |
| 03:47.17 | pupnik | w |
| 03:51.24 | GeneralAntilles1 | giggles at Conference pictures. |
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| 04:03.48 | johnsu01 | tries to understand the deal with the different libqt4-core versions |
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| 04:29.30 | GeneralAntilles | OK, first round of pictures are online: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/sets/72157625434963604/with/5194006720/ |
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| 05:20.12 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: if you found out, please let us know |
| 05:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-21 04:05:22] <opdf2> I have an update notification for PyQt4 Full Install (PR1.2), but I'm running PR 1.3 |
| 05:20.35 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-21 04:05:32] <opdf2> should I just ignore this? |
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| 06:08.40 | Dhraakellian | okay, so a while back, I was using flasher to rescue my n900 |
| 06:08.50 | Dhraakellian | and there was a module I had to rmmod |
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| 06:09.13 | Dhraakellian | ...now, while trying to use flasher for something else, from a different computer, I can't remember which module it was |
| 06:10.14 | Dhraakellian | and, as often happens, the JFGI immediately following the ATRP brought it back |
| 06:11.00 | Dhraakellian | rmmod cdc_phonet |
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| 07:11.22 | RobbieThe1st | Hello all |
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| 07:34.06 | Psi | anyone got any ideas for software i can put on my n900 so i can grab files on n900 from other pcs easily, something web based would be good |
| 07:34.24 | Psi | i could install samba but thats probably overkil |
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| 07:35.23 | Psi | also, with samba other pc's polling the network for smb shares would keep waking up the cpu and reduce battery life |
| 07:38.00 | kerio | Psi: ssh |
| 07:38.09 | Psi | sshfs? |
| 07:38.31 | kerio | well, any sftp client |
| 07:38.33 | Psi | im more looking for something i can easy use when im at a clients place to get files from my n900 without having to install stuff on their pc |
| 07:38.36 | kerio | sshfs is overkill |
| 07:38.47 | kerio | use the ass rage! |
| 07:39.01 | ham5 | that works good |
| 07:39.16 | jaska | some sort of webdav server.. dont know if there are any lightweight ones, apache seems overkill :D |
| 07:39.21 | RobbieThe1st | USB-Mass-storage mode. Works on -all- systems |
| 07:39.22 | Psi | yeah |
| 07:39.34 | kerio | RobbieThe1st: that's what i said |
| 07:39.51 | RobbieThe1st | Sorry, I got disconnected and didn't see it |
| 07:39.53 | Psi | the problem with usb mass storage mode is id need to carry around the cable in my pocket all the time |
| 07:40.19 | Psi | be nice if i could do everything without even needing to take the phone out of my pocket |
| 07:40.42 | Psi | so some sort of webdav type thing would be good |
| 07:40.43 | RobbieThe1st | What I do is have a small case with a second pocket. I keep a short $0.99 USB cable, extra battery and pair of earbuds in there. Easy on-the-go pack. |
| 07:41.00 | Psi | interesting |
| 07:41.34 | RobbieThe1st | the whole case is slightly larger than the n900; about twice as thick. Fits fine in my front pockets. |
| 07:42.54 | Psi | maybe ill install webdav or samba inside debian lxde |
| 07:43.19 | Psi | that would atleast work and not slow doen the phone as i could start/stop LXDE when i need to use it |
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| 08:51.45 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 08:51.50 | xDaReaperx | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65221&goto=newpost << any mods to take care of this spammy thread ? |
| 08:52.35 | xDaReaperx | i've never seen so much spam anywhere else =/ |
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| 08:57.56 | RST38h | "Raul Eamets, professor of macroeconomics at the University of Tartu, proposed today during his TEDx talk that Estonia should stop using cash at all when adopting the Euro as the national currency." |
| 08:58.14 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, good thing he deleted it |
| 08:58.25 | RST38h | And good morning, MohammadAG |
| 08:58.26 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 08:58.30 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, it was illegal in so many ways |
| 08:58.36 | MohammadAG | RST38h, morning :) |
| 08:58.54 | xDaReaperx | yeah i noticed the cached page |
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| 09:30.23 | NooBmonk3y | yawns |
| 09:32.58 | NooBmonk3y | good photos GeneralAntilles :) |
| 09:33.23 | alterego | Hey NooBmonk3y |
| 09:33.34 | NooBmonk3y | morrrrrrrrnin |
| 09:33.35 | NooBmonk3y | :) |
| 09:34.14 | NooBmonk3y | i need a dual screen, ... will be alot easier i feel..... darn i have a crappy pc |
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| 09:35.56 | nakeee | Hi, I want to use n900's camera for a computer science course. For that I want to control the different aspect of the camera from a linux computer |
| 09:35.58 | alterego | nakeee: can you code? |
| 09:36.00 | nakeee | is it possible? |
| 09:36.24 | nakeee | alterego, yes, but I don't have experience with coding for cell phones |
| 09:36.27 | alterego | nakeee: look into the fcam project |
| 09:36.32 | MohammadAG | it's coding for linux :P |
| 09:36.40 | alterego | Meh, the N900 is coding for Linux :) |
| 09:36.46 | pupnik_ | alterego: does that let you stream the camera to the pc? |
| 09:37.03 | alterego | pupnik_: he could use it to stream. |
| 09:37.04 | pupnik_ | i was just looking at 'qik' but not what i want |
| 09:37.24 | pupnik_ | sweet, the question i was going to asked was just answered |
| 09:37.51 | alterego | Erm, well, you'd need to use gstreamer to stream from fcam really .. |
| 09:37.59 | NooBmonk3y | was about to say the same thing :) |
| 09:38.03 | NooBmonk3y | gstreamer works fine :) |
| 09:38.14 | MohammadAG | fcam is to control lens crap |
| 09:38.19 | alterego | fcam gives you the raw video frames and full control over lens |
| 09:38.37 | pupnik_ | ah |
| 09:38.47 | alterego | You can feed those frames over a socket or stick them through gstreamer |
| 09:39.48 | pupnik_ | i don't want frames actually, i need to get an mpeg4 stream from a hardware encoder - not bog the cpu down anymore than needed |
| 09:40.05 | nakeee | just to make sure I understand it correctly:) I can ssh the phone and then use fcam to control the camera? |
| 09:40.17 | alterego | MohammadAG: almost finished Columbus now :) made it look super pretty, I'd show off some screen shots but I don't want to spoil the launch :P |
| 09:40.36 | alterego | nakeee: No, fcam is a C++ API |
| 09:40.43 | pupnik_ | nakeee: you would need to write a program that uses the fcam library |
| 09:41.04 | MohammadAG | alterego, PM then :P |
| 09:41.05 | nakeee | yea, I just meant there are no special permission problems of using it from remote |
| 09:41.06 | alterego | nakeee: how much control are we talking about? |
| 09:41.30 | pupnik_ | http://fcam.garage.maemo.org/apiDocs.html |
| 09:41.35 | nakeee | alterego, controlling zoom light contrast things like that |
| 09:41.43 | alterego | MohammadAG: maybe later if I'm feeling generous, but I'm being quite secretive now I'm getting close to release ;) |
| 09:41.49 | alterego | Hrm |
| 09:42.02 | MohammadAG | calls a fellow terrorist |
| 09:42.04 | alterego | I think you can do that with the cam element in gstreamer. |
| 09:42.05 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 09:43.13 | alterego | I think it does zoom, shame you have to do post processing for the other stuff though. |
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| 09:47.11 | nakeee | is there an howto somewhere on how I cross compile on linux for the n900? |
| 09:47.19 | nakeee | It sounds easier than to compile it on the phone:) |
| 09:48.24 | jacekowski | ~scratchbox |
| 09:48.24 | infobot | scratchbox is probably a cross-compiling system that uses binfmt_misc, rpc calls, and an nfs mount to make a cross-build appear to be 100% native, and is found at http://www.scratchbox.org/ |
| 09:48.27 | alterego | nakeee: loads on the wiki and in the doc section of maemo.org |
| 09:49.27 | alterego | Or madde/Nokia Qt SDK which is what I'd recommend ^.^ |
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| 10:08.58 | nakeee | alterego, thanks for all the help:) |
| 10:09.21 | alterego | np :) |
| 10:09.24 | nakeee | One last question, is there also a library for using the camera for motion detection? |
| 10:09.31 | nakeee | before I go to write one:) |
| 10:09.43 | alterego | Erm, no, but there's probably one you can build. |
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| 10:10.57 | pekuja | do most of you guys use Irssi on Maemo? |
| 10:11.09 | pekuja | I've been using X-Chat and I just kinda hate it. |
| 10:11.11 | Termana | pekuja, I think most people use xchat on maemo |
| 10:11.40 | alterego | I use irc, in screen on a server I ssh to |
| 10:12.00 | pekuja | Termana, yeah? I feel like it's kinda annoying to use when you have a lot of channels |
| 10:12.08 | Termana | alterego, because you are just that hardcore aren't you? |
| 10:12.09 | Termana | :p |
| 10:12.10 | pekuja | alterego, the IRC client called "irc"? |
| 10:12.18 | alterego | no irssi |
| 10:12.30 | pekuja | ok :-P |
| 10:12.31 | pekuja | but yeah, I did that too |
| 10:12.34 | pekuja | right now I have ZNC |
| 10:12.44 | pekuja | mostly because I figured X-Chat would be nicer than Irssi on Maemo |
| 10:12.52 | pekuja | but turns out I don't really like that either |
| 10:13.00 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:13.21 | pekuja | I think I'd say Irssi is, or can be made, easier to use than X-Chat on Maemo |
| 10:13.30 | alterego | yeah |
| 10:13.34 | NooBmonk3y | ooo can it? :P |
| 10:13.41 | pekuja | since it relies more on the keyboard, which is kind of a forté for Maemo |
| 10:13.42 | alterego | I've not done any tweaks though |
| 10:13.56 | pekuja | NooBmonk3y, no clue. I'm just rambling |
| 10:14.06 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 10:14.09 | alterego | Instead of alt switching you have to use ESC then number |
| 10:14.12 | sjk | irssi is OK on maemo |
| 10:14.20 | pekuja | but basically for example, it's really annoying to browse through a long list of channels in X-Chat |
| 10:14.21 | dlirit | just found mediabox, like a million years too late |
| 10:14.25 | Termana | I quite liked xchat - and the ability to scroll channels with the volume rocker |
| 10:14.35 | Termana | pekuja, how many channels are you normally in on your n900 |
| 10:14.37 | sjk | i use ssh and screen irssi on a remote server too |
| 10:14.38 | Termana | ? |
| 10:14.48 | pekuja | but since you mostly want to check the windows with new activity, you can do an Esc + A in Irssi |
| 10:14.55 | alterego | sjk: that's because we're awesome :) |
| 10:14.57 | pekuja | Termana, I dunno, 20 maybe |
| 10:15.01 | dlirit | I always stuck with canola due to it's extremely easy interface but recently I've been configuring my upnp streamer and it can't find mediatomb so I resulted to mediabox |
| 10:15.09 | sjk | alterego, hehe! |
| 10:15.09 | pekuja | Termana, the thing is, I use a bouncer on my server |
| 10:15.25 | pekuja | Termana, so I have the same channels open on Maemo that I have on my desktop |
| 10:15.29 | Termana | pekuja, fair enough I guess. |
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| 10:16.41 | pekuja | I mean, maybe I could figure out a way to cherrypick the most important channels and have those in Maemo |
| 10:16.47 | Termana | Funny story about bouncers, I was trying to set one up the other week, but for some reason I thought it wasn't working. Anyway, somehow I left the process going and I found my nickname kept being unavailable even when I done a ghost and release with nickserv. Turns out the bouncer kept taking my nickname. |
| 10:16.52 | pekuja | but I don't actually know how I could do that |
| 10:16.59 | Termana | :P |
| 10:17.29 | sjk | By the way, I really miss some kind of keychain for ssh keys on the maemo |
| 10:17.38 | sjk | anyone using one? |
| 10:17.49 | alterego | I use ssh agent |
| 10:18.25 | alterego | There's a nice .profile mod you can do |
| 10:19.33 | sjk | Ah. Care to share? |
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| 10:20.17 | sjk | (the only downside i can see by using ssh+irssi is that you lose word completion) |
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| 10:20.48 | sjk | if that is included in xchat then perhaps typing in xchat would be slightly faster |
| 10:21.20 | sjk | but i have never used xchat on maemo so i can't tell :) |
| 10:21.40 | steinex | yes, it is included |
| 10:21.48 | steinex | i use xchat since yesterday, switched from irssi |
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| 10:22.01 | steinex | i like the notifications on hilight/privmsg |
| 10:22.51 | sjk | it would be nice if one could activate word completion for the terminal with some hotkey |
| 10:23.14 | sjk | yhat would be nice for ssh + irssi or talkd |
| 10:23.18 | trumee | the default color theme in xchat sucks. there are some good ones on the web. |
| 10:23.27 | steinex | trumee, agreed |
| 10:24.56 | trumee | i use the fire theme from here http://toxin.jottit.com/xchat_themes#03 |
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| 10:27.44 | trumee | is it possible to set small font for ser list in xchat? They eat too much precious space |
| 10:30.22 | steinex | hmm |
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| 10:36.52 | Mece | hello |
| 10:39.28 | Mece | i'm trying to build a package in sdk but it keeps whining about sigc++ eventhough I have libsigc++ dev files installed. what gives. |
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| 10:44.32 | alterego | MohammadAG: ping |
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| 10:46.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, pong |
| 10:47.58 | alterego | MohammadAG: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png |
| 10:48.05 | alterego | No post processing ;) |
| 10:48.09 | alterego | That's a clean screenshot |
| 10:48.21 | alterego | Well, except the 50% scale and drop shadow :D |
| 10:49.03 | MohammadAG | damn that takes time on 2.5G :P |
| 10:49.22 | NooBmonk3y | wow, cool pic! |
| 10:49.22 | alterego | Good job it wasn't full scale then ;) |
| 10:49.59 | alterego | I'm tidying up the track view at the moment, I'll upload some screenshots later :) |
| 10:50.38 | MohammadAG | alterego, cool |
| 10:51.07 | janemba | hello |
| 10:51.10 | MohammadAG | alterego, when's the release :P |
| 10:51.23 | alterego | Well, I've got my Ovi account |
| 10:51.35 | alterego | I reckon I should be done by the end of the week. |
| 10:51.38 | janemba | I can't switch between desktop can you help me ? |
| 10:51.53 | MohammadAG | you're releasing it on ovi? |
| 10:52.02 | alterego | Yeah, need the money :/ |
| 10:52.21 | MohammadAG | grr, open up an app store of your own |
| 10:52.25 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 10:52.25 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:52.34 | alterego | That thought has crossed my mind, and it is a possibility. |
| 10:52.46 | MohammadAG | or... |
| 10:53.00 | alterego | The Ovi T&C says you get 60% of price :/ |
| 10:53.02 | MohammadAG | extras non-free, handle payment in-app |
| 10:53.17 | MohammadAG | not only that, but it can easily be pirated from |
| 10:53.37 | MohammadAG | handling payments in app would be the best way imo |
| 10:53.38 | alterego | 40% if it's obtained through some carrier thing, but we don't have that on N900 |
| 10:53.44 | alterego | Yeah, a lot of hassle though |
| 10:53.50 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 10:54.04 | alterego | I'd quite like to know the metrics of pirated software on maemo as well tbh ... |
| 10:54.09 | MohammadAG | just make a database and push IMEIs to it if the payment was received |
| 10:54.18 | alterego | Yeah |
| 10:54.29 | MohammadAG | pirated software on maemo? it's a lot more than you think |
| 10:54.36 | alterego | Yeah .. |
| 10:54.51 | MohammadAG | check symbian's forums |
| 10:55.00 | alterego | Well, these are things I'll think about more when I've finished, right now it's more getting to that stage for me :) |
| 10:55.08 | MohammadAG | you'll find most (if not all) apps on ovi pirated |
| 10:55.23 | alterego | Sure, but I mean how many peopel are actually using pirated versions. |
| 10:55.34 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: there is no commercial software for maemo |
| 10:55.38 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: so there is no piracy |
| 10:55.42 | MohammadAG | count most symbian to maemo transitions |
| 10:55.52 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, err? |
| 10:55.55 | alterego | jacekowski: how can you say that? |
| 10:55.56 | mece_ | well, I guess there is some jacekowski |
| 10:56.06 | jacekowski | statistical error |
| 10:56.06 | alterego | Angry Birds, Zenbound, blah blah balh |
| 10:56.12 | MohammadAG | there isn't any DRM protection on the apps, but they are paid |
| 10:56.14 | mece_ | the preenv games are all pirated... |
| 10:56.18 | alterego | Yreah |
| 10:56.23 | jacekowski | ovi fail is working? |
| 10:56.27 | MohammadAG | don't count those though |
| 10:56.34 | alterego | Well, actually in my case I've got a few Palm OS games that I paid for :P |
| 10:56.40 | alterego | Sims and NFSU |
| 10:56.45 | MohammadAG | preenv pirating is due to pirating palm pre games |
| 10:56.53 | MohammadAG | not maemo related in any way imo |
| 10:57.04 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, the store gives you a direct link to a deb |
| 10:57.08 | alterego | MohammadAG: maybe not, but it is an indication of where peoples ethics are ;) |
| 10:57.12 | mece_ | alterego, well I don't think it's legal to actually extract them from the palm. Haven't read the thing though. |
| 10:57.17 | MohammadAG | the link is reusable many times |
| 10:57.26 | mece_ | alterego, it's not evil piracy, but I don't think it's legal either way |
| 10:57.30 | alterego | mece_: it is in the UK, we have data laws that allow backups and such. |
| 10:57.31 | MohammadAG | and the deb's downloaded to /var/tmp |
| 10:57.34 | alterego | You buy it it's yours. |
| 10:57.41 | mece_ | alterego, nice. |
| 10:58.05 | mece_ | alterego, either way, most people don't have a possibility to buy pre games |
| 10:58.20 | mece_ | alterego, which is entirely palms fault though. |
| 10:58.23 | MohammadAG | we're talking maemo, not pre :P |
| 10:58.29 | jacekowski | alterego: you don't buy it |
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| 10:58.30 | mece_ | MohammadAG, quite. |
| 10:58.35 | jacekowski | alterego: you license it |
| 10:58.48 | alterego | I think I probably will do my own store |
| 10:58.55 | alterego | And have registration locks on the software. |
| 10:59.05 | jacekowski | and i'll crack them |
| 10:59.21 | alterego | And I'll hunt you down and kill your first born :P |
| 10:59.31 | jacekowski | i'm not planing to have first born |
| 10:59.39 | jacekowski | it costs too much |
| 10:59.48 | alterego | Heh |
| 10:59.51 | MohammadAG | then he'll kill $0 :P |
| 10:59.54 | D-Iivil | _o/ |
| 11:00.01 | alterego | Howdy D-Iivil |
| 11:00.01 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 11:00.05 | jacekowski | i have to go |
| 11:00.11 | alterego | Later |
| 11:00.45 | alterego | My track view widget is quite nice, got smooth rotation, panning and zoom :) |
| 11:01.04 | MohammadAG | i can haz screenshot? |
| 11:01.22 | alterego | No not yet, I'm redoing a compass widget for it. |
| 11:01.41 | alterego | And I can only see a dot in the centre of the screen at the moment because there's nothing to map ;) |
| 11:02.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, which MSN plugin do you use? |
| 11:02.34 | alterego | Good question .. |
| 11:02.34 | MohammadAG | haze has been disconnecting a lot for me |
| 11:02.35 | alterego | Erm .. |
| 11:02.37 | mece_ | uses pecan, and it works |
| 11:02.45 | alterego | I think it's pecan I use .. |
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| 11:03.07 | MohammadAG | if it only it supported nicks and display pics... |
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| 11:03.42 | mece_ | okido the problem found. this thing looks for sigc++1.2 but I only have sigc++2.0. I guess it should be backwards compatible, but I don't know where modify the requirement. |
| 11:04.11 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
| 11:04.25 | NooBmonk3y | is it me, or do progress bars no longer work on maemo? (QT4.7) |
| 11:04.35 | MohammadAG | styleSheet? |
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| 11:05.10 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, trying, and seems to have no effect |
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| 11:05.27 | MohammadAG | don't use one |
| 11:06.32 | D-Iivil | Some weird thing is going on my N900... I can't copy large files (over ~400megs) back and forth. My phone always hangs at some point and reboots. After that I must fsck -a the MyDocs or it'll only be shown as read-only device. |
| 11:06.37 | D-Iivil | Any ideas? |
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| 11:07.12 | D-Iivil | Already tried with stock kernel and with severall files, but like 9/10 the outcome is as described. |
| 11:07.37 | MohammadAG | eMMC is slow |
| 11:08.01 | MohammadAG | load gets high, the phone starts swapping like hell |
| 11:08.06 | MohammadAG | phone hangs |
| 11:08.17 | D-Iivil | And same happens in all these situations: 1) I copy large file from MMC to eMMC, 2) I copy file from eMMC to MMC, 3) I copy from me PC over ssh |
| 11:08.39 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, any solutions proposials? |
| 11:09.33 | D-Iivil | I can't even extract lmza compressed images on the device... it hangs and reboots. |
| 11:09.33 | iDont | MohammadAG: This could be the reason haze has been disconnecting a lot lately, I've experienced that as well: http://developer.pidgin.im/ticket/12906 |
| 11:10.53 | iDont | MohammadAG: Importing the certificates from http://developer.pidgin.im/viewmtn/revision/info/cd236baf6d00f3e1561a40974ce1828b793ea187 should fix it, but can't test it as my N900 is gone for repair since yesterday |
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| 11:28.56 | alterego | Hrm, I should probably do this in scratchbox, the packaging crap is really starting to annoy me .. |
| 11:31.20 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, starting to sound like me ;) |
| 11:31.52 | alterego | Hah, sounds like, but completely different issue ;) |
| 11:32.17 | alterego | Everytime I make a modification to my code it compiles/packages/scps to device/unpackages/starts up |
| 11:32.21 | alterego | It's annoying .. |
| 11:33.01 | D-Iivil | Maybe it's time for full sweep and reflash. In the past I was able to copy large files with no problems... |
| 11:33.48 | D-Iivil | Is there a possibility that eMMC has corrupted somehow and that causes problems when writing or reading stuff? |
| 11:34.17 | RobbieThe1st | Um, FSCK/chkdsk it? |
| 11:34.58 | D-Iivil | RobbieThe1st, I have to run fsck everytime the device reboots itself. I'm running it with -a switch. |
| 11:35.02 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: known effect, related to kernel swap madness |
| 11:35.20 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, and no solution to fix it? |
| 11:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: probably not hw related |
| 11:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: allegedly new kernel has some halfassed fixes |
| 11:35.48 | RobbieThe1st | Ouch |
| 11:36.11 | luke-jr | D-Iivil: corruption is also possible, but unlikely on eMMC since BME shuts the system down before it loses battery |
| 11:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: somebody suggested to use rsync with throttling bandwidth to tackle the problem |
| 11:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | for cp of large files |
| 11:37.25 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, hmmm... sounds too complicated to use rsync just to transfer files from pc to phone :( |
| 11:37.34 | D-Iivil | (windows machine) |
| 11:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: I cp'd 13GB from PC to eMMC in ass rage mode, worked just fine |
| 11:39.01 | D-Iivil | thinks if it would help if he sets limit for scp transfer |
| 11:39.07 | DocScrutinizer | trying to cp from uSD to eMMC created same issue you described |
| 11:39.10 | luke-jr | D-Iivil: you use Windowsâ |
| 11:39.18 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, ass rage mode? Sounds a bit gay :P |
| 11:39.31 | DocScrutinizer | Mass STOrage |
| 11:39.31 | D-Iivil | luke-jr, mainly yes. |
| 11:40.09 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, too bad I lost my usb cable and getting new from ebay will take weeks... |
| 11:40.42 | D-Iivil | Would setting speedlimit for scp transfer help? |
| 11:41.25 | DocScrutinizer | D-Iivil: you may try fiddling with things like swappiness, prio/nice etc. And kill cp when it slows down |
| 11:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | ask ShadowJK |
| 11:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | kill tracker |
| 11:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | !!! |
| 11:43.20 | D-Iivil | killing tracker sounds like a good idea :) |
| 11:43.56 | D-Iivil | just killall tracker-d tracker-indexer |
| 11:43.58 | D-Iivil | ? |
| 11:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe killall --SIGSTOP |
| 11:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | or stop the init process, whatever |
| 11:45.42 | D-Iivil | hmm... would it be enough just disable everything in tracker-cfg? |
| 11:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | make sure there's no other processes accessing the media concurrently, also make sure you're not already using large amounts of ram for other processes so swapping is less likely |
| 11:46.42 | DocScrutinizer | d-lthat's what I did )tracker.cfg) |
| 11:47.10 | D-Iivil | DocScrutinizer, okay, will try that :) |
| 11:47.28 | D-Iivil | Fresh reboot, kill tracker, trying to transfer... |
| 11:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | keep a second shell open at higher prio and root, to kill processes in htop |
| 11:49.22 | D-Iivil | how do I set the priority? |
| 11:49.42 | D-Iivil | I have another ssh session opened for killing the transfer... |
| 11:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | check for general system sanity prior to starting cp enterprise, some apps do nasty things to system: flashlight-extra for example is known to rape CPU by constant respawns etc |
| 11:50.53 | DocScrutinizer | root; renice |
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| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | I guess |
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| 11:51.37 | DocScrutinizer | sorry forgot about messybox meanwhile |
| 11:51.54 | D-Iivil | I'm not using cp command, I have sftp server running and receiving stuff. |
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| 11:53.24 | D-Iivil | But so far it seems good. I killed the tracker and set constant 200KiB/s limit for the transfer. |
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| 11:55.14 | mece_ | anyone tried building Advanced Strategic Command for N900? |
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| 11:55.24 | mece_ | (Open source Battle Isle clone) |
| 11:55.50 | crashanddie | hello Maemo |
| 11:55.54 | alterego | contemplates distributing a free version of his app without logging and waypoints. Just the UI ... |
| 11:56.00 | crashanddie | jolly good Sunday to all of you |
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| 11:56.09 | alterego | Hello crashanddie |
| 11:56.11 | obsidieth | ia m getting a weird apt error |
| 11:56.12 | SpeedEvil | Hello crashanddie! |
| 11:56.15 | SpeedEvil | Welcome! |
| 11:56.18 | obsidieth | dpkg: parse error, in file `/var/lib/dpkg/available' near line 13087 package `tar-gnu': newline in field name `DXVW3sT6tbxE6V8XyN4Fnh71T8DmMah13TpzTYt0QqOBrmGzj/KbG8X2hskab' |
| 11:56.30 | obsidieth | trying to remove conky, wihch installed incorrectly. |
| 12:00.16 | mece_ | hm I wonder if sigc++-1.2 will conflict with sigc++-2.0 |
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| 12:02.24 | D-Iivil | :D Didn't work out :P |
| 12:03.37 | mece_ | I guess it doesn't :D |
| 12:03.49 | mece_ | yay verily yay |
| 12:03.56 | mece_ | ok, perhaps a bit early to cheer |
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| 12:04.17 | mece_ | but it's still compiling and didn't crash on sigc++ error |
| 12:04.27 | D-Iivil | Guess I'll just wait for that goddamn usb-cable to arrive and do the transfers then... |
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| 12:05.49 | mece_ | D-Iivil, theme customizer is awesome btw. Just sayin. |
| 12:07.13 | obsidieth | hm |
| 12:07.20 | obsidieth | sudo dpkg --clear-avail && sudo apt-get update |
| 12:07.22 | obsidieth | does the trick. |
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| 12:09.46 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: ping |
| 12:09.53 | crashanddie | or are you busy praying your lord Jesus? |
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| 12:23.28 | mece_ | is g++ incredibly slow or why the hell is this build taking so long? |
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| 12:25.29 | derf | C++ compilers are, in general, incredibly slow. |
| 12:26.46 | mece_ | nod. |
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| 12:27.19 | mece_ | ahemm. oh. the source is 445Mb... LOL |
| 12:27.40 | ieatlint | yes, g++ is slow |
| 12:29.04 | RobbieThe1st | Bah. If it's slow, it just means you need more processing power! :P |
| 12:29.43 | SpeedEvil | Two n900s |
| 12:30.21 | RobbieThe1st | Emulate a few more, or switch to a desktop(cluster)! |
| 12:30.54 | derf | Apparently Mozilla has dozens of N900's racked and mounted in a data center. |
| 12:31.03 | derf | Which I find incredibly amusing, for some reason. |
| 12:31.38 | Funnyface | why the N900? :> it doesn't even have an ethernet port |
| 12:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | lo crashanddie |
| 12:34.25 | DocScrutinizer | Funnyface: it's always the interesting part of massive parellel processing to keep the needed grid bandwidth as low as possible |
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| 12:42.00 | ieatlint | derf, where've you heard that? (that mozilla has n900s on racks) |
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| 12:42.38 | ieatlint | i know mozilla originally was having a lot of trouble getting ahold of n900s last year, and i got the impression they just wanted a dozen or so test devices |
| 12:42.54 | Arkenoi | is it possible to make a special cable that allows hostmode and charging in the same time, or are they mutually exclusive? |
| 12:43.09 | SpeedEvil | they are unrelated |
| 12:43.12 | SpeedEvil | in short - yes |
| 12:43.31 | korhojoa | so usb ethernet solves the bandwidth issue |
| 12:43.45 | korhojoa | throughput is just awful |
| 12:43.47 | ieatlint | err, i thought that the phone detects a charge by either negotiating with a usb host controller or by the data +/- pins being shorted? |
| 12:44.00 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: sort-of. |
| 12:44.09 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: but that's quite irrelevant |
| 12:44.19 | ieatlint | to hostmode charging? |
| 12:44.20 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: the battery charger can also be turned on manually |
| 12:44.28 | ieatlint | ah |
| 12:44.32 | SpeedEvil | after killing BME |
| 12:44.38 | ieatlint | well, that's not irrelevant then :P |
| 12:45.05 | SpeedEvil | It's irrelevant in a properly designed system. |
| 12:45.39 | ieatlint | yes, but if you have to stop BME and do something else special to get it to work, it's rather relevant |
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| 12:50.00 | SpeedEvil | There is nice software on the way to do this for you. |
| 12:57.41 | dRbiG | hmm, 6% - 10% cpu usage for hildon-desktop, while not looking at the desktop, is okey in pr1.3 or is it a bug? |
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| 13:00.31 | alterego | My Qt widgets bring all the boys to the yard, my app is better than yaaars. |
| 13:01.13 | lolloo | hehe |
| 13:01.35 | lolloo | what is it alterego? |
| 13:01.49 | alterego | What's what? |
| 13:02.00 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 13:03.01 | lolloo | the QT widgets ofcourse |
| 13:03.13 | alterego | Well, there's quite a few of them |
| 13:03.22 | alterego | Here's one screen: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png |
| 13:03.28 | lolloo | awesome |
| 13:03.33 | alterego | I'm keeping everything else kind of under wraps at the moment. |
| 13:04.03 | lolloo | wow looks wonderful |
| 13:04.20 | alterego | Thanks :) |
| 13:04.22 | lolloo | fits my phone theme too |
| 13:04.59 | lolloo | futurestic look |
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| 13:05.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:05.24 | alterego | I was going for a sort of holographic display/HUD look |
| 13:05.39 | alterego | It's more impressive when you use the swipe to change view ports. |
| 13:05.40 | alterego | Sort of like the home screens. |
| 13:05.45 | lolloo | wow |
| 13:06.10 | lolloo | so Qt brings alot on the table for sure! |
| 13:06.34 | alterego | Yeah, it's fun. |
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| 13:07.11 | ieatlint | have you tried your app on symbian? |
| 13:07.15 | ieatlint | or is it maemo specific? |
| 13:07.38 | alterego | Currently it is maemo specific, but I've been coding it with the intention of porting to Symbian for sure. |
| 13:07.43 | derf | ieatlint: See, e.g., https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=605907 |
| 13:07.45 | povbot | Bug 605907: was not found. |
| 13:08.22 | ieatlint | derf, that's pretty funny, hehe |
| 13:08.58 | korhojoa | derf, haha :D |
| 13:09.03 | alterego | The only thing really is display orientation handling. |
| 13:09.15 | alterego | I will be porting it to Symbian though :) |
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| 13:09.46 | ieatlint | yeah, the orientation thing is an annoying bitch |
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| 13:10.02 | lolloo | I agree |
| 13:10.18 | alterego | I suppose there's also file system stuff, and my bluetooth data streaming is Linux specific. |
| 13:10.21 | mece_ | alterego, you're really going all out with the ui :D |
| 13:11.04 | alterego | I'm a whore for details :/ |
| 13:11.42 | alterego | I mean, perfectionist .. |
| 13:11.46 | ieatlint | if you use QDesktopService::storageLocation, it'll give you valid paths to store data on maemo and symbian |
| 13:11.55 | alterego | I'll never be 100% happy though so I've decided that view is final ;) |
| 13:12.02 | ieatlint | i'll be curious to see your code sometime :P |
| 13:12.18 | ieatlint | assuming open source, etc, heh |
| 13:12.19 | alterego | ieatlint: yeah, I know there are things for that, I've just not been using them (yet). |
| 13:12.46 | alterego | Well, I'll give out the source for specific things to people that want to play. But the application I want to sell so ... |
| 13:13.11 | ieatlint | fair enough |
| 13:13.20 | alterego | I might do a FOSS edition, basically without data logging and way point support, just the UI. |
| 13:13.51 | alterego | But I'm happy to share source code for my widgets and help people learn to do what I've done. |
| 13:14.06 | ieatlint | that more what i'm curious on |
| 13:14.15 | ieatlint | i generally suck at ui... am much more of a backend guy |
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| 13:15.12 | alterego | UI for me is trial and error. |
| 13:15.50 | ieatlint | you using something like qt designer? |
| 13:16.01 | alterego | Neah, |
| 13:16.05 | alterego | all hand crafted, heh. |
| 13:16.15 | ieatlint | i'm a c guy, who had some fun with gtk, and then about 6months ago was thrown qt to do a project after not touching c++ for 3 years |
| 13:16.27 | ieatlint | and have been moving along through that somewhat slowly |
| 13:16.39 | alterego | Similar story for me really. |
| 13:17.12 | ieatlint | and yeah, i'm always confused with qtdesigner... i can do a basic layout in it, and end up with a 600kb program using large amounts of ram, or i can just throw a few widgets in a qvboxlayout and have it for 20kb |
| 13:17.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:18.55 | alterego | I just find that I want to do something that can't be done in designer, then I look at the code it generates so I can customise it and the ugliness of generated code is quite off-putting |
| 13:19.15 | alterego | I'll still do it for simple form based layouts and such. |
| 13:19.40 | ieatlint | well, if/when you share the ui code for that, i'll definitely be curious to take a look :) |
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| 13:21.18 | alterego | Sure :) |
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| 13:30.56 | sivang | hey alterego |
| 13:31.04 | sivang | alterego: how's it been goung? |
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| 13:31.46 | alterego | sivang: not bad, sorry I mised your PM yesterday, I was out with the lady having dinner :) |
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| 13:33.45 | sivang | alterego: ah that is nice |
| 13:33.58 | sivang | alterego: it was a while since I had a lady with me :) |
| 13:34.28 | alterego | They're a pain in the arse, but occasionally fun ^.^ |
| 13:34.41 | ieatlint | agrees all too much |
| 13:34.46 | sivang | indeed :) |
| 13:34.58 | sivang | Since mine left, I've been enjoying myself more than ever :) |
| 13:35.13 | sivang | and I'm free to relocate wherever I want without hassle and long arguments into the night |
| 13:35.19 | sivang | :-p |
| 13:35.38 | alterego | Yeah, tell me about it ^.^ |
| 13:35.45 | alterego | She wants to go to Canada, I want to go to Finland. |
| 13:35.55 | sivang | Well, Canada is not bad at all |
| 13:36.02 | sivang | Montreal is amazing |
| 13:36.09 | alterego | tbh, I wouldn't mind going to Canada either ;) |
| 13:36.16 | ieatlint | quebec != canada :P |
| 13:36.23 | MohammadAG | finland is cold |
| 13:36.25 | alterego | I said we'd discuss it after we know it's an option for her and I've done some research. |
| 13:36.32 | sivang | MohammadAG: Finland is *love* |
| 13:36.46 | MohammadAG | k, nvm, canada's cold too |
| 13:36.53 | sivang | ieatlint: so I guess I prefer quebec maybe |
| 13:36.55 | sivang | :) |
| 13:37.32 | sivang | Finland has much attraction for someone who has been living most of his life close to harbors and shores |
| 13:37.42 | sivang | ocean, seagulls |
| 13:38.00 | ieatlint | i need to visit finland sometime |
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| 13:38.59 | sivang | ieatlint: me too :) |
| 13:39.19 | MohammadAG | i need to visit the bermuda triangle :P |
| 13:39.22 | sivang | ieatlint: I visited it in the summer, I want to experience it in the winter as well. |
| 13:39.28 | sivang | MohammadAG: why? :) |
| 13:39.38 | ieatlint | haha |
| 13:39.54 | sivang | sounds like "I want to get lost" |
| 13:39.58 | sivang | ;) |
| 13:39.59 | ieatlint | i'm from a temperate climate, and the codest i've experienced was munich in january |
| 13:40.05 | ieatlint | coldest |
| 13:40.25 | ieatlint | did april in stockholm once, but that wasn't that terrible |
| 13:41.03 | lolloo | Middle east is still hot. |
| 13:41.08 | lolloo | it's like summer here |
| 13:41.29 | lolloo | I guess we won't see winter this year! |
| 13:41.37 | ieatlint | haha, it's 7c here, which with the rare exception is as cold as it ever gets ehre |
| 13:42.00 | lolloo | 35c here still using airconditioner |
| 13:42.22 | lolloo | global warming I guess |
| 13:42.41 | ieatlint | ouch... it rarely gets that hot here |
| 13:42.46 | ieatlint | 2 days this summer i think |
| 13:43.08 | lolloo | summer is like 6 months hehehe |
| 13:43.21 | lolloo | but this year it's longer! |
| 13:43.31 | ieatlint | coldest summer here in 30 years |
| 13:43.36 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 13:44.12 | ieatlint | i think the average summer high was ~18c |
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| 13:44.26 | lolloo | awesome |
| 13:45.55 | lolloo | my N900 gets hot quickly |
| 13:46.04 | lolloo | because of this weather! |
| 13:46.20 | lolloo | I cant have fun overclocking it! |
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| 13:49.32 | lolloo | is U-boot compatible with power kernel46? |
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| 13:52.46 | mece_ | gaaaaaah OMG how can this take so long?? |
| 13:52.53 | mece_ | rips hair out |
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| 13:54.18 | MohammadAG | lolloo, no |
| 13:54.25 | mece_ | I sure hope I can compile only the modified files next time. (trying to adapt some ui bits to 800x480 |
| 13:54.42 | ieatlint | mece_, should be able to |
| 13:54.47 | lolloo | hey, thanks. |
| 13:54.57 | mece_ | ieatlint, yep, but sometimes things don't work. |
| 13:55.00 | mece_ | we'll see. |
| 13:55.11 | mece_ | if I atleast could get this one compiled |
| 13:55.15 | ieatlint | i'm careful to use the word "should" and never speak in absolutes |
| 13:55.22 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:55.24 | mece_ | aye |
| 13:55.26 | MohammadAG | lolloo, he removed it cause users didn't like it |
| 13:55.31 | mece_ | omg... I think it's done... |
| 13:55.37 | mece_ | compressing graphics now |
| 13:56.18 | mece_ | heh |
| 13:56.29 | lolloo | touche |
| 13:56.37 | mece_ | interesting. I modified a file while it was building, and it revisited that file at the end and recompiled it :D |
| 13:56.58 | mece_ | I'm a bit impressed by that |
| 13:57.04 | MohammadAG | lolloo, you can compile a uimage and make your own uboot image :) |
| 13:57.25 | lolloo | wow awesome |
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| 14:22.19 | MohammadAG_ | anyone got quick access (direct links) to service manuals 1 & 2? |
| 14:22.41 | MohammadAG_ | nvm found them |
| 14:24.45 | MohammadAG_ | DocScrutinizer, ping |
| 14:31.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: pong |
| 14:34.02 | alterego | Hrm, the mobility NMEA parsing is a bit crappy. |
| 14:34.16 | alterego | Only handles position information not satellite telemetry. |
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| 14:40.59 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: :-( |
| 14:41.11 | alterego | Might have to implement it myself ... |
| 14:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, we got NMEA? |
| 14:41.28 | sougata | pupnik, hi |
| 14:41.38 | pupnik | allo allo |
| 14:42.20 | alterego | Yeah, you can swap in QNmeaPositionInfoSource instead of a QGeoPositionInfoSource to make your application reaed NMEA sentences instead of using position gained from a GPS. |
| 14:42.23 | sougata | I have googled a bit and installed some softwares to my n800 |
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| 14:42.32 | sougata | they are running chinook |
| 14:42.35 | alterego | Which I'm using to read in log files and stuff. |
| 14:42.51 | alterego | To render previous track logs. |
| 14:42.54 | sougata | I want to write some guis for some of them |
| 14:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that's quite obvious as Qt is cross-ülatform. But do we *have* any NMEA to read? |
| 14:43.18 | alterego | But I wanted a "playback" function, which would allow me to run through an old log in real time updating the UI as it would have appeared. |
| 14:43.20 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, disassembled the device |
| 14:43.21 | sougata | like ttcp and my own c codes |
| 14:43.35 | MohammadAG | I'm still not sure how to remove the GPS thingy |
| 14:43.39 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I do, I've got a QGeoPositionInfo -> NMEA sentence converter :P |
| 14:43.41 | sougata | I have installed gcc |
| 14:44.06 | alterego | I use it for streaming telemetry through bluetooth or UDP/TCP |
| 14:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's annoying |
| 14:44.15 | alterego | And logging |
| 14:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: cool :-) |
| 14:45.07 | sougata | pupnik, do I have to use gtk to write gui's |
| 14:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | proper NMEA *from* N900 is what a lot of people are looking for |
| 14:45.41 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah :) |
| 14:46.01 | alterego | I've implemented the full NMEA sentence set as used by SiRF equipment. |
| 14:46.21 | alterego | So if your software works with a bluetooth or network SiRF device, then it'll work with the N900 & my app |
| 14:46.25 | MohammadAG | speaking of real time |
| 14:46.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, any ideas how to update kernel messages in real time? :) |
| 14:47.08 | alterego | MohammadAG: presumably in your host mode app's kernel output logging text view thingy? |
| 14:47.35 | MohammadAG | that would be one of the two apps that need it :P |
| 14:47.43 | alterego | :) |
| 14:47.47 | alterego | Let me think about it for a few minutes. |
| 14:47.59 | MohammadAG | having /proc/driver/musb_hdrc output being updated in real time would be cool |
| 14:48.15 | alterego | Do you currently do a system call to execute dmesg and just dump the output? |
| 14:48.21 | MohammadAG | but I have no idea how that would be done, other than a QTimer |
| 14:48.26 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes |
| 14:48.33 | alterego | Yeah, not ideal ^.^ |
| 14:48.46 | MohammadAG | (with some help of sed to add <br> to end of each line) |
| 14:48.54 | alterego | Hah |
| 14:48.54 | MohammadAG | to the* |
| 14:51.13 | alterego | Crap, accidentally cleared my dmesg buffer .. |
| 14:52.06 | MohammadAG | how o_O |
| 14:52.15 | alterego | dmesg -c |
| 14:52.19 | alterego | Don't ask me why I ran it. |
| 14:52.23 | alterego | I thought it would be fun. |
| 14:53.00 | alterego | Where's javispedro when you need him :) |
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| 14:55.02 | MohammadAG | sighs at the service manuals |
| 14:55.10 | MohammadAG | no wonder people end up with broken power buttons :P |
| 14:55.13 | alterego | MohammadAG: I think you can read directly from /dev/console |
| 14:56.42 | alterego | I might be wrong though, not sure if output goes to that. |
| 14:57.05 | MohammadAG | I think I'll have to break a screw :/ |
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| 15:00.30 | RST38h | Ehehehehe: http://chronicle.com/article/The-Shadow-Scholar/125329/ |
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| 15:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: either 'tail -f /var/log/syslog' |
| 15:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or poll dmesg output and check if there's been new lines at bottom |
| 15:04.54 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I'm wondering if he can open a pipe to dmesg and keep it open a bit like tail -f does .. |
| 15:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | dmesg is sending output to STDOUT. No pipe will make it output more than end of ring buffer |
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| 15:06.36 | DocScrutinizer | afaik there's simply no -f ption for dmesg |
| 15:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | when it's done it quits |
| 15:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I think you have to loose a screw that's covered by some platic that doesn't belong there |
| 15:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | should be rather simple though |
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| 15:09.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nope, no screws on the GPS antenna |
| 15:09.24 | MohammadAG | I removed the mobo and all that stuff |
| 15:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | but *under* the gps ant latch |
| 15:09.36 | MohammadAG | even removed the antenna assembly |
| 15:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | ph |
| 15:09.44 | MohammadAG | (modem one) |
| 15:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | oh |
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| 15:10.14 | MohammadAG | yep, the screw's stuck there |
| 15:10.31 | pupnik | sougata: sorry i was busy. the answer is no, unless someone is forcing you |
| 15:10.36 | planttt | I want to develop an app and am now trying to figure out to use Hildon or Qt4. I want to use Python, so the bindings don't seem to be a problem. |
| 15:10.49 | planttt | Which toolkit would you advise? |
| 15:10.55 | kerio | starting a new app? |
| 15:10.59 | kerio | qt4/qt mobility |
| 15:11.01 | kerio | definetely |
| 15:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | when you even removed main PCB, then you should be able to remove GPS asy as well |
| 15:11.25 | planttt | yes, i want to build an app to track my running, including route, speed, etcetera |
| 15:11.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, but there about 3 latches |
| 15:12.08 | planttt | kerio, would the qt4 binding for Python (which should be installed separately) not be a problem? |
| 15:12.14 | MohammadAG | or 4 |
| 15:12.39 | kerio | no idea |
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| 15:12.56 | kerio | but using qt will allow you to port your application to meego easily |
| 15:13.00 | planttt | kerio, concerning distribution i mean, development looks OK' |
| 15:13.17 | kerio | meh, add it as a dependancy |
| 15:13.23 | kerio | i thought pyqt was already installed |
| 15:13.34 | planttt | kerio, ah it is that simple (I havent looked into packaging yet) |
| 15:13.35 | MohammadAG | no |
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| 15:13.48 | MohammadAG | and you can't push the ovi store with python apps (for obvious reasons) |
| 15:13.51 | alterego | I would shamelessly plug my application for planttt but it's not released yet ^.^ |
| 15:13.54 | kerio | the what? |
| 15:13.54 | MohammadAG | to the* |
| 15:13.59 | planttt | kerio, I just had to install it myself to run my little test program |
| 15:14.00 | kerio | what's an "ovi store"? |
| 15:14.09 | MohammadAG | a retarded store |
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| 15:14.14 | kerio | oh, *that* store |
| 15:14.15 | MohammadAG | they're synonymous |
| 15:14.41 | MohammadAG | also (imo), python is kinda slow :P |
| 15:14.46 | planttt | alterego, running track as well ? |
| 15:15.12 | alterego | planttt: it might do some stuff you find useful. |
| 15:15.12 | kerio | MohammadAG: you can run faster than python? |
| 15:15.24 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 15:15.37 | MohammadAG | when I wake up I don't need to do imports :P |
| 15:15.38 | alterego | planttt: it logs your journey, has stats on journey average speed calculation etc. |
| 15:15.41 | kerio | no, i mean |
| 15:15.43 | kerio | run |
| 15:15.54 | kerio | he's writing nike+ for maemo |
| 15:16.04 | alterego | planttt: displays trip distance etc. |
| 15:16.22 | alterego | planttt: what specific functionality are you after? I might include it. |
| 15:16.34 | kerio | if you can run faster than a python application can track you, then wtf are you doing on irc |
| 15:16.36 | kerio | go win medals |
| 15:16.49 | planttt | alterego, well pretty much that what you mention now. Oh, and also, it shouldn'y suck ;-) |
| 15:16.58 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:17.19 | alterego | planttt: if my app sucked then I wouldn't expect anyone to buy it. |
| 15:17.25 | alterego | So I am trying hard to not make it suck ;) |
| 15:17.43 | MohammadAG | kerio, lol |
| 15:17.45 | planttt | alterego, what would be the price? (mine would be OS, so it is OK to suck) |
| 15:18.12 | alterego | planttt: not decided, probably only a couple of pounds, maybe 3 or 4 |
| 15:18.33 | MohammadAG | takes out knife again |
| 15:18.40 | alterego | planttt: it's basically a GPS app which tries to act a bit more like handheld GPS' |
| 15:18.43 | kerio | MohammadAG: nooo |
| 15:18.44 | kerio | don't do it |
| 15:18.45 | planttt | alterego, when is the planned release date? |
| 15:18.54 | MohammadAG | I refuse to pay in pounds!!!!11! |
| 15:19.10 | MohammadAG | euros ftw |
| 15:19.19 | alterego | planttt: I'm hoping to have finished it in a week, so I guess a little over that and I'll distribute |
| 15:19.37 | planttt | alterego, name? I'll check it out when its out |
| 15:19.58 | alterego | planttt: At the moment it's called Columbus, but that may change depending on legality ;) |
| 15:20.11 | alterego | planttt: here's a sneak peak at the ui: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/Screenshot-20101120-175812.png |
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| 15:20.35 | alterego | planttt: the ui is seperated into 3 views, that view (status), track view and statistics. |
| 15:20.39 | planttt | alterego, would I be able to import a track into Google Maps? |
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| 15:20.54 | alterego | planttt: possibly, what format does googlemaps take? |
| 15:21.12 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: or poll dmesg output and check if there's been new lines at bottom <-- how do I do that? :3 |
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| 15:21.27 | alterego | planttt: my app outputs NMEA and GPX formats to a file, bluetooth and tcp/udp sockets. |
| 15:21.30 | planttt | alterego, KML I believe, GPSJinni supports it (that's the itch that made me think about developing something myself) |
| 15:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: sigh |
| 15:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wait a minute |
| 15:21.48 | alterego | I'll make a note of KML and see if I can add it. |
| 15:22.04 | planttt | alterego, it's a dead simple format, too simple if you ask me |
| 15:22.08 | alterego | :) |
| 15:22.22 | alterego | Well, there shouldn't be a problem then ^.^ |
| 15:23.49 | planttt | alterego, basically it is just a list of latlong coords, not really sure why it is an XML actually. |
| 15:24.07 | planttt | anyway, Qt4 is the way to go. |
| 15:24.36 | planttt | is there any news on if/when MeeGo will be on the N900, as an upgrade? |
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| 15:25.34 | alterego | planttt: well, now, it'll never be an upgrade in the sense I think you mean. Once it gets stable and feature complete people will start to move to it. |
| 15:25.49 | alterego | But there wont suddenly be a magical release and everyone will upgrade to it happily. |
| 15:34.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I need a new antenna |
| 15:34.43 | alterego | uh-oh |
| 15:35.11 | MohammadAG | it wasn't the screw raising the battery cover |
| 15:36.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:36.55 | MohammadAG | or it might not be the antenna |
| 15:37.05 | MohammadAG | it seems to be the whole assey |
| 15:38.01 | MohammadAG | ah fuck 32.00 |
| 15:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 15:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> echo $last |
| 15:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | 5178697.005168 |
| 15:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail +2 |
| 15:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | prints all lines *after* the one with timestamp (actually regex) 5178697.005168 |
| 15:42.10 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5:/dev$ export last=`dmesg | tail -1 | awk '{print $1}' | sed 's/\[//g' | sed 's/\]//g'` |
| 15:42.12 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5:/dev$ dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail +2 |
| 15:42.12 | MohammadAG | tail: cannot open `+2' for reading: No such file or directory |
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| 15:45.18 | crashanddie | sometimes, I'm really grateful to be a bit of a techie. Just re-did part of the electrics in the garage. Quoted about around 600-900 euros by electricians, job done myself for about 80euros in parts. |
| 15:46.46 | RST38h | ...and then you bite into the hot wire and die horrible electrocution death! |
| 15:46.57 | RST38h | laughs diabolically |
| 15:47.34 | MohammadAG | yup, need a new B cover |
| 15:47.48 | MohammadAG | wonders if he should invest more into the N900 |
| 15:48.19 | crashanddie | actually, I passed some certification where they explained I wasn't supposed to pee on wires that read "High Voltage" and that the diagram showed having little sparkles around, which totally reflects real life. RST38h, never thought they'd tell me something useful in school. |
| 15:49.15 | RST38h | No shit! |
| 15:49.40 | RST38h | has even been told how to assemble AK-74 in school. Fortunately, has not come useful. |
| 15:54.23 | korhojoa | RST38h, hm. well, that's relatively simple |
| 15:54.56 | ShadowJK | did it blindfolded, the 47 variety |
| 15:55.07 | korhojoa | i can disassemble and assemble a close relative of it, the rk62 |
| 15:55.16 | ShadowJK | Yeah :D |
| 15:55.37 | korhojoa | eh, if you can't do it in under a minute, you fail |
| 15:55.45 | korhojoa | also, it's easy blindfolded too |
| 15:56.16 | ShadowJK | I was trying to remember if it was a minute or 20s blindfolded :) |
| 15:56.31 | RST38h | 20s is kinda short |
| 15:56.42 | korhojoa | disassembly should be 10-15 seconds and assembly 30-45 seconds |
| 15:56.50 | RST38h | although the ones we had in school fell apart after you hit them on the table |
| 15:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (tail: cannot open `+2' for reading: No such file or directory) nuke busybox :-P |
| 15:57.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I really can't be bothered to check how messybox tail is taught to cut off first line |
| 15:58.22 | alterego | I feel so relaxed when I'm coding. |
| 15:58.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's coreutils lol |
| 15:58.34 | MohammadAG | curses the flex ribbon thingy |
| 15:58.41 | DocScrutinizer | if messytail is too braindead to do this, I could edit the sed cmd for you so it starts to output after the regex line |
| 15:58.44 | alterego | I'm in one of those, this is fun modes/moods |
| 15:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: MEH, WFM... tested |
| 15:59.11 | ShadowJK | -n 2 isn't it |
| 15:59.29 | DocScrutinizer | +n 2 if anything |
| 15:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe -n +2? |
| 16:00.02 | ShadowJK | what's +2 supposed to do with tail? |
| 16:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | so try --lines=+2 |
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| 16:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | busybox tail -n +1 |
| 16:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | busybox tail -n +2 actually |
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| 16:06.24 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> echo $last |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | 5178697.005168 |
| 16:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~/Documents/OpenMoko> dmesg|sed -n "/$last/,$ p"|tail -n +2 |
| 16:06.31 | krzysz00 | i have a n800 i just upgraded to diablo. about 3/4 of the way into boot, the blue square blinks 3 times, and the machine reboots. any suggestions? |
| 16:07.02 | ShadowJK | that's like as if power button was pressed |
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| 16:07.11 | ShadowJK | iirc it blinks during shutdown |
| 16:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | charge batery then? |
| 16:07.33 | ShadowJK | Oh yeah, that too |
| 16:07.50 | krzysz00 | i just need to charge the batery? |
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| 16:08.12 | ShadowJK | Well it's a start |
| 16:08.18 | ShadowJK | to make sure it's not empty |
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| 16:11.51 | krzysz00 | its stuck in a loop, it tries to boot, almost finishes, then blinks 3 times, turns off, and turns on again |
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| 16:17.39 | gruinelli | Can somebody help me with uploading a binary file to autobuilder? I have a precomiled python module (.so), but the autobuilder does not accept it |
| 16:19.42 | MohammadAG | why is it precompiled? |
| 16:20.02 | gruinelli | because I generated it with shedskin to improve the speed of my python app |
| 16:20.37 | gruinelli | if autobuilder could do that himself, that would be great, but as I understand shedskin is not installed on the build server |
| 16:20.38 | krzysz00 | anyway how can i install emacs directly to the memory card instread of the internal memory? |
| 16:21.44 | krzysz00 | as dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs fails |
| 16:21.52 | gruinelli | I installed shedskin on my phone and compiled the python code into a c module. It gives a 18x speed improvement of that code part |
| 16:22.14 | krzysz00 | same for symlinking /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs as they both fail with premission errors |
| 16:22.43 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, then upload shedskin to the repos, and use it in the build process |
| 16:22.59 | MohammadAG | or in the postinst |
| 16:23.04 | gruinelli | hu, thats possible? |
| 16:23.34 | MohammadAG | how did you install shedskin? |
| 16:23.51 | gruinelli | I installed gcc on my phone and compile dit there |
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| 16:24.24 | MohammadAG | why not use scratchbox? |
| 16:24.35 | gruinelli | I know its not the right way, but I could not get it to work on scratchbox as it always complained python is in version 2.3 and thats too old |
| 16:24.57 | MohammadAG | can you try something? |
| 16:25.08 | MohammadAG | (I never had success with scratchbox running python apps FYI) |
| 16:25.20 | MohammadAG | compile it in scratchbox, then install the resulting binaries on the N900 |
| 16:25.36 | MohammadAG | if that works, upload a source package to the autobuilder, so apps can use it |
| 16:25.52 | gruinelli | cant to it right now, as i removed scratchbox again (3GB is just too much) |
| 16:26.17 | gruinelli | I wanted to use the vmware image, but it seems not to be available anymore :( |
| 16:26.49 | MohammadAG | can you up the source you used? |
| 16:27.00 | gruinelli | of shedskin? sure |
| 16:27.39 | gruinelli | I got it from here: http://code.google.com/p/shedskin/downloads/detail?name=shedskin-0.6.tgz |
| 16:27.40 | MohammadAG | yep |
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| 16:28.12 | gruinelli | but I will need a .changes and .dsc file, or not? |
| 16:29.21 | gruinelli | well, I could write them myself, as they are only text files |
| 16:29.46 | gruinelli | so when I upload a package, will it then also get installed on the autobuilder? |
| 16:29.57 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=879584&postcount=761 |
| 16:30.55 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, no, but you can add it in Builds Depends: and the builder will fetch it |
| 16:31.42 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, style sheets don't work properly |
| 16:32.10 | NooBmonk3y | lol they never do |
| 16:32.20 | NooBmonk3y | but as i said, those pics aren't about the look |
| 16:32.28 | NooBmonk3y | but more about the ... it's getting there! |
| 16:33.27 | alterego | I think for v2 I might have to remove all dependencies on Maemo5 UX (basically application menu) |
| 16:33.29 | krzysz00 | how can i install emacs directly to the memory card instread of the internal memory as dpkg --instdir=/media/mmc1/emacs fails> |
| 16:33.33 | krzysz00 | same for symlinking /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs as they |
| 16:33.33 | krzysz00 | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:33.42 | MohammadAG | Hmm |
| 16:33.53 | alterego | So I can maintain portability, I do love Maemo5ValueButtons though :( |
| 16:33.56 | MohammadAG | I think alterego's sliding widgets code would be nice in HealthCheck :) |
| 16:34.07 | NooBmonk3y | sliding widgets? |
| 16:34.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, ahem *cough*, #ifdef!! |
| 16:34.16 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 16:34.20 | NooBmonk3y | slaps MohammadAG |
| 16:34.23 | alterego | pfft |
| 16:34.27 | alterego | There's enough of that already. |
| 16:34.41 | MohammadAG | I know, I said that to annoy you :P |
| 16:34.51 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, PSFreedom's help window uses it :) |
| 16:34.59 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 16:35.10 | NooBmonk3y | that would involve opening more windows on my already struggling pc |
| 16:35.26 | MohammadAG | basically, you get rid of the arrows |
| 16:35.44 | MohammadAG | and you swipe between the views instead |
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| 16:35.52 | NooBmonk3y | oh yeah he sent me code that i couldnt get working ;) |
| 16:35.59 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 16:36.07 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:36.09 | alterego | Loser :P |
| 16:36.12 | NooBmonk3y | :( |
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| 16:36.42 | alterego | I remember this though, it's when I got confused because I thought MohammadAG was asking me questions about it but it was actually NooBmonk3y .. |
| 16:36.50 | NooBmonk3y | grins |
| 16:37.15 | MohammadAG | alterego, oh, lol |
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| 16:52.45 | Jay_BEE | hi |
| 16:53.40 | MohammadAG | hmm, I've been having problems with pulseaudio, it doesn't run at startup |
| 16:53.45 | MohammadAG | hey Jay_BEE |
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| 16:59.01 | n900-space | Ola room |
| 16:59.01 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
| 16:59.11 | NooBmonk3y | i really should use alterego's swiping technique |
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| 16:59.26 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: I promise I'll help better this time ;) |
| 16:59.28 | Jay_BEE | hi MohammadAG |
| 16:59.39 | NooBmonk3y | lol! |
| 17:00.07 | NooBmonk3y | i'm assuming it shouldnt be that difficult, but then i'm no c++ expert :P |
| 17:00.14 | Jay_BEE | asks hisself does he really want to enable extras-devel to get preenv |
| 17:00.34 | alterego | No, really shouldn't be that hard at all ;) |
| 17:01.13 | NooBmonk3y | the prob i've got, is do i need to pull everything out of the stackable windows etc that i have? |
| 17:01.27 | alterego | All you need to do is create an instance of either HDraggableViewArea or VDraggableViewArea then call addWidget to add each "view" and you're done. |
| 17:01.39 | NooBmonk3y | hmm each view? |
| 17:01.46 | MohammadAG | VDraggableArea? |
| 17:01.56 | MohammadAG | it has vertical scrolling too? |
| 17:01.57 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, it can drag up and down as well as left and right |
| 17:02.24 | alterego | Yeah |
| 17:02.33 | alterego | Either or |
| 17:02.42 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm got the code somewhere? |
| 17:02.46 | NooBmonk3y | will try putting it back in again |
| 17:02.59 | MohammadAG | PSFreedom's source would be one :P |
| 17:03.06 | MohammadAG | cuteTube is awesome! |
| 17:03.10 | NooBmonk3y | meh no idea where that is either lol |
| 17:03.13 | MohammadAG | now if only it wasn't in Python xP |
| 17:03.25 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 17:03.32 | Jay_BEE | does cuteTube convert to other formatz like mp3? |
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| 17:03.56 | MohammadAG | doubt it, but you can use mencoder |
| 17:04.11 | MohammadAG | http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui/trees/master/src/ui NooBmonk3y |
| 17:05.21 | MohammadAG | I should add a copyright Tom S. to it |
| 17:06.56 | alterego | Why bother? I didn't :P |
| 17:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is "formatz"? |
| 17:07.14 | MohammadAG | cause it's not my code, yet it's in my app :P |
| 17:07.28 | NooBmonk3y | meh MohammadAG your code is a nightmare for my simple brain to understand |
| 17:07.37 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, what i dont get is the view part...... |
| 17:07.44 | MohammadAG | no, it's inception |
| 17:07.52 | NooBmonk3y | i already have pages setup in the stackedwidget :| |
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| 17:08.16 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: think of the "view" as the "page" .. |
| 17:08.22 | NooBmonk3y | ok.... |
| 17:08.30 | alterego | Just add your pages to my draggableviewarea widget |
| 17:08.41 | NooBmonk3y | so do i need to manually create all widgets etc onto a view? |
| 17:08.55 | NooBmonk3y | or can i use the already created widgets on each stackablewidget page? |
| 17:09.02 | alterego | Can I see your code? |
| 17:09.21 | alterego | Make it easier for me to understand what you're doing and how to help you ;) |
| 17:09.25 | NooBmonk3y | can tar it up :) |
| 17:09.52 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, learn to use git while you're at it, pretty much takes the same amount of time :P |
| 17:09.54 | alterego | Cool, do that and stick it somewhere for me to download. |
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| 17:10.14 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, no issue with git, but i didnt create one at the start of the project, qt wont let me upload now |
| 17:10.22 | NooBmonk3y | and not using terminal commands, got enuogh to remember |
| 17:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | the wonders of OO :-P |
| 17:10.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can you shut this guy up? http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=879318&postcount=28 |
| 17:10.47 | MohammadAG | (P.S, he's Matan) |
| 17:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | how should I do that? |
| 17:11.11 | MohammadAG | did you read it? |
| 17:11.59 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
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| 17:13.08 | MohammadAG | pokes frals, you lurking trout |
| 17:13.21 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, www.greg-roberts.com/downloads/Healthcheck.tar.gz |
| 17:13.26 | frals | slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:13.30 | DocScrutinizer | matan is an idiot when it comes to OC. So what? |
| 17:13.43 | NooBmonk3y | slaps MohammadAG around a bit with frals |
| 17:13.49 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Oh, Matan's getting even more trollish over time. "550 and 600MHz, but not overclocking"?! |
| 17:13.49 | MohammadAG | lately, he's been an idiot when it comes to * |
| 17:14.01 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: exactly |
| 17:14.24 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, i apologise, the code is a mess! |
| 17:14.29 | RST38h | notices how more and more previously sane tmo users go bonkers monthly |
| 17:14.32 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: most code is ;) |
| 17:14.40 | NooBmonk3y | hehe |
| 17:14.44 | RST38h | The Tentacled One is having a feast on tmo... |
| 17:14.51 | MohammadAG | wonders what vista's code's like |
| 17:15.21 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, indeed, and it seems users believe him |
| 17:15.28 | RST38h | is now ready to install lighthttpd and php |
| 17:15.43 | RST38h | And try the Ovi Suite replacement =) |
| 17:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: contagious |
| 17:16.02 | MohammadAG | wonders why NooBmonk3y's source is soooo huge |
| 17:16.22 | frals | slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:16.23 | MohammadAG | binaries lol |
| 17:16.26 | RST38h | Doc: Rather, caused by Nokia's negligence and lack of consistency treating users |
| 17:16.31 | RST38h | and developers too |
| 17:16.41 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, many many images that i haven't tidied up |
| 17:16.49 | RST38h | Always drives people crazy way more effectively than just ignoring them |
| 17:16.59 | MohammadAG | many many sources that aren't clean :P |
| 17:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sure |
| 17:17.11 | MohammadAG | remove debian/healthcheck and .o files next time :P |
| 17:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: http://2600hertz.wordpress.com/2010/02/26/meego-destroy-in-6-steps/ |
| 17:17.50 | alterego | Ah, I see why you found it confusing ;) |
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| 17:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: wonders of OO |
| 17:19.05 | ik_5 | hello |
| 17:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: defining an opject class is meant to get reused. Not to do it again for every new instance :-P |
| 17:19.28 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, there's alot going on in that gui ;) |
| 17:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (I'm saying this without having a single look at that particular source) |
| 17:19.38 | alterego | Yes, that's quite horrible :P |
| 17:19.52 | alterego | I'm trying to think of the easiest way for you to do it. |
| 17:19.54 | NooBmonk3y | ;) |
| 17:20.46 | ik_5 | today I turned on my n900, and it stopped accepting the power cord connetion (only the usb to micro usb accepted), and the screen does not properly refresh, and the earphones makes a lot of noise, what should i look for in the phone to understand the problem ? |
| 17:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | ouuff |
| 17:22.16 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: try overclocking it! |
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| 17:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | (just kidding / sarcasm) |
| 17:22.43 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: this might take a while, I'll look into it a bit later ;) |
| 17:22.50 | NooBmonk3y | lol not a problem at all |
| 17:22.54 | NooBmonk3y | i've got to head out anyway |
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| 17:24.30 | ShadowJK | ik_5, sounds properly broken to me |
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| 17:25.01 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: maybe you better tell what *does* work. Also which firmware/kernel etc you used and what you did last |
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| 17:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: broken or fried |
| 17:26.35 | ik_5 | DocScrutinizer, wifi, dialing and resciving calls. kernel: 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 17:27.11 | ik_5 | i think it started after I tried a 3g sim to connect to the net, and when I returned my normal 2g sim it started |
| 17:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | o.O |
| 17:28.14 | ik_5 | after I placed back the 2g sim, and reacived a call i had a kernel panic, and restarted the phone, but that was on friday .... |
| 17:28.25 | DocScrutinizer | no hotspot app, no powerkernel? |
| 17:28.39 | ik_5 | no powerkernel or hotspot |
| 17:28.51 | DocScrutinizer | try reflashing |
| 17:29.15 | DocScrutinizer | odds are it won't help and you got a hw defect |
| 17:29.20 | ik_5 | I'll look for a guide in the wiki (never done it before) |
| 17:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | but it's all you can do anyway |
| 17:29.54 | ShadowJK | I'd be careful about reflahing if usb is acting up |
| 17:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
| 17:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | but when even refresh of display is acting up... :-/ |
| 17:30.59 | DocScrutinizer | and earpiece audio |
| 17:31.41 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: you *could* try a new battery |
| 17:32.01 | DocScrutinizer | a battery going mad can cause *all* kinds of weird effects |
| 17:33.18 | kerio | i have a fake battery that regularly makes cellmo reset |
| 17:33.21 | ik_5 | the display sometimes does not clean the effects so i see the strips over text etc.. but not all of the time, and after reboot (i hate doing reboot to linux machine) it acts ok until next time |
| 17:33.24 | kerio | the rest of the system is fine |
| 17:33.39 | kerio | so i just use it to keep the RTC active while i charge the other battery |
| 17:34.06 | ik_5 | kerio, how do you charge the battery outside the phone ? |
| 17:34.11 | kerio | a charger |
| 17:34.21 | kerio | bought because i cba to send my n900 to the assistance |
| 17:34.26 | kerio | (borked usb) |
| 17:34.27 | RST38h | This sounds like a powervr problem |
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| 17:40.11 | sjk | alterego, what .profile hack are you using for ssh-agent? I have found several by googling, but most seem to have downsides |
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| 17:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | might also be a completely runaway system (forkbomb or sth like that) |
| 17:42.29 | NooBmonk3y | is away: I'm busy |
| 17:42.47 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, the thing i dislike most in anti-maemo/meego whinings and rants is common android adoration. maybe maemo/meego is not doing as well as expected, but android is definitely not the thing i'd like to see on my next device. |
| 17:43.28 | ik_5 | Arkenoi, same with me |
| 17:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: mhm. So why is that addressed to me and why now |
| 17:43.47 | Arkenoi | DocScrutinizer, you provided the link :-) |
| 17:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | which link? |
| 17:44.08 | Arkenoi | 2600hertz |
| 17:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | meh, how's that related to whining, or adridiot? |
| 17:46.37 | ik_5 | is there a 64 bit flasher for linux ? |
| 17:46.38 | Arkenoi | and speaking on "difficult tools" used for development, i think it's better to "other" platform zealots to shut up, as actually maemo is the only real "desktop-like" mobile platform that does *not* involve programming in obscure languages, sdks, whatever |
| 17:47.19 | Arkenoi | s/sdks/apis/ |
| 17:48.32 | RST38h | Arkenoi: I do not think there are any people here who advocate using other platforms :) |
| 17:48.37 | RST38h | So, you are preaching to the choir |
| 17:48.54 | ShadowJK | indeed |
| 17:48.58 | RST38h | Having said that, I would rather see Meego become Maemo than Moblin. Right now, it is mostly Moblin. |
| 17:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | Arkenoi: the article is a generic lineup of how corporate attitude is ruining communities. And just on a few boxes it tries to resume the state of meego as of several months ago, without even giving a judgement about the listed facts |
| 17:49.33 | MohammadAG | ik_5, install the 32 bit one, force architecture |
| 17:49.39 | MohammadAG | you might need ia32-libs |
| 17:49.46 | MohammadAG | (or whatever they're called) |
| 17:50.29 | ik_5 | MohammadAG, actually I'm trying (without success to download the tar.gz, I do not use debian based linux) |
| 17:50.46 | MohammadAG | without success? |
| 17:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: or - even better - use a linux live CD. Windows is known to introduce further problems to the ones you already got, esp when trying to use 64bit |
| 17:52.11 | ik_5 | DocScrutinizer, I don't have windows, can't work with that thing |
| 17:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | aah, oh sorry |
| 17:53.19 | ik_5 | ok now it downloaded it properly ( the tar file) |
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| 17:54.41 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: fist of all check if you can enter flash mode on N900, by holding 'u' while you plug in wallcharger/host-PC |
| 17:55.41 | DocScrutinizer | if not even that works, you can largely stop all further effort |
| 17:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | except getting new battery |
| 17:56.35 | ik_5 | i see a big nokia white screen with a usb image on the top right |
| 17:56.47 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: (of course your N900 has to be *off* when you plug in) |
| 17:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | very good |
| 17:57.58 | ik_5 | and flasher seems to work (after I installed all of it's dependencies) |
| 17:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: I suggest you first try a fiasco / COMBINED flash only, and see if it helps. If it doesn't, then do a full eMMC/VANILLA 1st plus rootfs/fiasco/COMBINED 2nd flash |
| 18:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: general most safe procedure: remove battery, start flasher (without -R), plug in N900, insert battery, wait flashing to finish, remove battery. This applies for both COMBINED and VANILLA flashing |
| 18:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | (holding 'u' during inserting battery won't hurt) |
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| 18:06.26 | ik_5 | what is the difference between each version of the latest (i mean global, usa, middle east) etc ? |
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| 18:06.42 | hume | hi...I'm trying to use my N900 to connect to MSN, but does not succeed. I use the built in conversations utility, and configure it to connect to my MSN account, but it just doesn't connect. Anone got idas on what to do? |
| 18:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | ik_5: mostly unknown. Global seems fine for everybody |
| 18:08.23 | MohammadAG | locales I think |
| 18:08.27 | MohammadAG | or emergency numbers |
| 18:08.31 | MohammadAG | flash global |
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| 18:09.24 | BCMM | hume: what sort net connection are you on? |
| 18:09.35 | hume | tried both my 3G and LAN |
| 18:09.50 | BCMM | hmm, so not on something weird that was only letting http through then |
| 18:09.59 | BCMM | maybe it's actually down? can you ping the msn servers? |
| 18:10.13 | hume | I can connect through my computer |
| 18:10.13 | ik_5 | damm it will take forever to download it (4 hours in 12k speed) |
| 18:11.23 | hume | when I try using pidgin instead, I get something about certificate being too old |
| 18:11.36 | hume | but again, no problem using the computer |
| 18:12.43 | hume | BCMM: any ideas on what to check? |
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| 18:13.12 | BCMM | well, i'd still try pinging the server from the n900 |
| 18:13.24 | BCMM | but tbh i doubt that's relevant |
| 18:13.40 | BCMM | does any non-ms client work for you? |
| 18:13.50 | BCMM | they tend to change their protocols and such |
| 18:13.51 | hume | like which? |
| 18:14.10 | hume | i only use msn, no other IM |
| 18:14.17 | BCMM | it's possible that all the servers that support older/reverse-engineered clients are down today |
| 18:14.25 | BCMM | well, like pidgin... |
| 18:14.32 | hume | ok...gonna try pidgin again |
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| 18:17.17 | BCMM | hume: http://developer.pidgin.im/wiki/MSNCertIssue - seems it's affecting all pidgin users - maybe they just changed their certs and broke stuff for everyone using an unofficial client? |
| 18:17.29 | BCMM | i'm speculating wildly; i have no clue how their protocol works |
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| 18:18.38 | ik_5 | BCMM, I just read on twitter from someone that also have issues with pidgin and the certs of msn |
| 18:18.57 | hume | ik_5: got a link to it? |
| 18:19.03 | BCMM | there's nothing in the /topic on kopete, so maybe it isn't a general issue |
| 18:19.04 | ik_5 | a sec |
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| 18:20.35 | BCMM | i'm afraid i can't really check because i've forgotten my MSN password years ago |
| 18:20.38 | BCMM | that, or they expire |
| 18:21.15 | ik_5 | http://twitter.com/#!/BlakJakNZ/status/5837751622574081 |
| 18:21.32 | hume | ah...seems pidgin COULD connect now, I changed the default setting, and choose that it should connect over http instead |
| 18:23.26 | hume | ik_5: thx |
| 18:23.44 | hume | BCMM: thx for helping..:) just talking seems to fix a lot |
| 18:23.46 | ik_5 | hume, http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=auto&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.centergeek.it%2Fpidgin-impossibile-validare-il-certificato-omega-contacts-msn-com%2F |
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| 18:28.07 | BCMM | hah, microsoft REALLY doesn't want me to use their messenger service |
| 18:28.19 | BCMM | the password reset has completely impossible captchas |
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| 18:28.54 | Arkenoi | BCMM: ha, pidgin just says SSL certificate is invalid, goodbye MS |
| 18:29.10 | Choom | I use the account-plugin pecan-based MSN client from extras-devel |
| 18:30.00 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: I now installed scratchbox, and I also can run python programms, but as said, for some reasons, its only python 2.3 instead 2.5 |
| 18:30.01 | Choom | it's never failed on me and integrates nicely with maemo's conversations |
| 18:30.03 | BCMM | they all use one real word, and one i don't recognise |
| 18:30.15 | BCMM | i think they must be made-up words |
| 18:30.35 | gruinelli | and because of that I can not install shedskin successfully |
| 18:30.55 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, compile in scratchbox, install on N900 |
| 18:32.07 | gruinelli | hmm, the problem is, the shedskin package is not an usuall sourc package, you cant run .configure; make |
| 18:32.23 | gruinelli | you only have to run python setup.py install |
| 18:32.52 | MohammadAG | then that's not actually compilation |
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| 18:33.05 | gruinelli | I know |
| 18:33.09 | MohammadAG | run python setup.py bdist_dumb |
| 18:33.23 | MohammadAG | then make a debian package with proper sources, upload that to devel and depend on it for the build |
| 18:35.31 | pupnik | 19:33 < Consigliar> jianfei bc life, no matter how ill-prepared, is still precious. |
| 18:35.34 | pupnik | 19:34 < pupnik> Consigliar: i send it back to the chef |
| 18:39.44 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: that gives me a file dist/shedskin-0.6.linux-i486.tar.gz, but how do I procced with that? |
| 18:40.04 | gruinelli | I before did the helo example from http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging, but do not understand how to addapt it now |
| 18:40.48 | hurbu | mmm |
| 18:40.59 | hurbu | if i run FM Radio Player from app list |
| 18:41.01 | hurbu | dont work |
| 18:41.14 | hurbu | if i run phyton FMRadio.py |
| 18:41.17 | hurbu | work great |
| 18:41.19 | hurbu | :s |
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| 18:46.10 | lardman | Anyone got any suggestions for alternatives to an O2 Joggler? |
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| 18:48.58 | lardman | is after something to do wireless music with a screen |
| 18:49.06 | lardman | in the house that is |
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| 18:52.09 | lardman | in fact what are devices like the Chumby and Joggler even called, so I can do some Google searching? |
| 18:53.20 | jacekowski | interactive photo frame |
| 18:53.32 | jacekowski | dunno |
| 18:53.33 | lardman | thanks |
| 18:53.39 | lardman | it's a start |
| 18:53.40 | lardman | :) |
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| 18:54.05 | jacekowski | joggler looks like a photo frame |
| 18:54.18 | jacekowski | chumby not really |
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| 19:13.51 | Jaffa | Anyone got any good links (especially from tmo) to share this week? |
| 19:13.58 | Jaffa | It's remarkably bare in this week's MWKN |
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| 19:14.48 | frals | fmms 1.3.0 has live filter in main view! |
| 19:14.48 | frals | ;D |
| 19:15.21 | frals | and a link to go with it https://twitter.com/#!/frals/status/6098606620676097 ;) |
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| 19:22.22 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: http://code.google.com/p/shedskin/ also has already a .deb file which is architecture independant (as there is nothing to compile) would it be possible to upload that one somehow? I am struggling with generating the needed file as described in http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging |
| 19:22.46 | gruinelli | the generated tar.gz file always miss the needed files |
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| 19:24.36 | Jaffa | gruinelli: Generated by what? |
| 19:25.06 | gruinelli | its a deb file which included all the needed python files for shedskin |
| 19:25.40 | Jaffa | gruinelli: The deb must have been generated by something; at the point there's a dir with a 'debian/' directory run dpkg-buildpackage -s |
| 19:25.44 | gruinelli | MohamedAg told me i have to uploade the source code, so I can use shedskin on the autobuilder |
| 19:28.05 | gruinelli | the deb file contains the usual control.tar.gz and data.tar.gz, but I can not find a debian/ folder |
| 19:29.04 | gruinelli | If I douwnload the source as tar.gz, the manual sais, i have to install it with "python setup.py install" |
| 19:29.22 | gruinelli | so I understand I have to make a valid package with makes the same on the server |
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| 19:32.34 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, generate your own debian/ folder |
| 19:32.37 | MohammadAG | or better, write it |
| 19:33.11 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, follow this http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging |
| 19:34.23 | gruinelli | oh, thank you. That looks lie a very usefull page. Sadly the other wiki pages do not refer to it, so i never found it. |
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| 19:35.06 | alterego | Time to test my bluetooth code a bit more :D |
| 19:35.41 | krzysz00 | can i when installing, say emacs, symlink /usr/share/emacs to /media/mmc1/emacs/ before installation. I tried before, but there were premission errors. |
| 19:35.42 | Jaffa | gruinelli: Feel free to move the content to somewhere better. MohammadAG doesn't want to be hoarding useful content under his User:... page |
| 19:35.56 | Jaffa | gruinelli: Does the source tarball for shedskin not contain a debian/ folder? |
| 19:36.24 | gruinelli | no |
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| 19:39.01 | NooBmonk3y | is back (gone 01:56:32) |
| 19:39.48 | Jay_BEE | [09:07]<DocScrutinizer>WTF is "formatz"? <---- lol... I missed this from earlier... just my silly way of saying 'formats' :) |
| 19:40.03 | frals | NooBmonk3y: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html ;) |
| 19:40.24 | NooBmonk3y | ty frals was just figuring out how too :P |
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| 19:41.05 | NooBmonk3y | has only started doing it today, which is random |
| 19:41.24 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, how do you find the users in #qt :P |
| 19:41.43 | NooBmonk3y | erm, generalising? lol - most are fine, but ubergeekish, so i normally stay clear |
| 19:41.59 | MohammadAG | hints at auto away message |
| 19:42.01 | NooBmonk3y | it's like a room of doc's on a bad day ;) |
| 19:42.06 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
| 19:42.08 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 19:42.10 | NooBmonk3y | i'm trying, i'm trying! |
| 19:42.44 | MohammadAG | http://i54.tinypic.com/i1fi4g.jpg |
| 19:42.55 | NooBmonk3y | ? |
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| 19:43.06 | MohammadAG | wonders how to use that theme without causing segfaults |
| 19:43.54 | MohammadAG | wasn't there a parameter to disable styling in Qt? |
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| 19:44.19 | NooBmonk3y | yay away message is off :) |
| 19:45.03 | gruinelli | MohammaAG: I am now going through your example. But there is another "issue": arround 2 hours ago I made my own .changes and .dsc file and uploaded it. How it is still in the builder queue. Is there a way to quit it? |
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| 19:49.09 | MohammadAG | without asking an admin, no |
| 19:49.12 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, would be one |
| 19:49.21 | MohammadAG | and how did you make the files? |
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| 19:50.09 | gruinelli | I wrote them manually, addapting one of my other projects. |
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| 19:50.19 | MohammadAG | you shouldn't do that... |
| 19:50.24 | gruinelli | So will it time out sometimes or what should i do? :( |
| 19:51.02 | gruinelli | well, i expected it just would quit with an error, like on my PC |
| 19:54.15 | pupnik | how laggy has been your best 3g upstream video? |
| 19:54.58 | pupnik | why do our bots still suck so much |
| 19:58.00 | Proteous | we have to keep them dumb so they don't take over |
| 19:58.15 | Proteous | don't they teach you about skynet in school? |
| 19:59.49 | Jay_BEE | heh. |
| 20:01.49 | gruinelli | MohammaAG: on your packaging page, you have the line "Sample install file: ", but you never explain if it is a real file, how it is caled and where it should be |
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| 20:04.51 | Jaffa | gruinelli: It's created automatically when you get to Extras |
| 20:05.07 | gruinelli | ah, ok |
| 20:05.58 | gruinelli | now, as i do not have to compile anything, do i just have to add one line to the rules file in the install part: "python setup.py install" ? |
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| 20:06.55 | gruinelli | Id did that, then I run "dpkg-buildpackage -rfakeroot -sa -S", but it gives me an error at line 56, where it sais: dh_install |
| 20:07.42 | gruinelli | This seems already to be a problem in your example file |
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| 20:13.41 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, no, I think he means debian/install |
| 20:14.19 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, a debian/install file is only needed when make install does not install all files where you want it to, it's called by dh_install |
| 20:14.53 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, and I did, And finally, the parts needed to install the file, e.g $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/package_name install. If your make file does not handle file installations, you can use an install file in debian/ and keep dh_install in the rules file, as per below. |
| 20:14.56 | gruinelli | ah, ok. And am i right and can just comment aout the line 56 with dh_install? It makes an error, see above |
| 20:15.03 | MohammadAG | yep |
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| 20:17.56 | ik_5 | just finished my flashing, lets hope things went well :) |
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| 20:26.46 | ik_5 | the charger still not working, only the usb to computer works :( |
| 20:27.54 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cj6ho1-G6tw <--- )) awesome (( acrobatic bikeriding set to music. |
| 20:28.55 | gruinelli | ik_5: I had the same issue with all chargers I could get hand on. Then I found the tip in the internet to put a resistor between the 2 data lines on the usb cable, now it works |
| 20:30.10 | pupnik | btw - that video is a must-download. |
| 20:31.17 | ik_5 | gruinelli, what kind of resistor it depands on the Um vs current |
| 20:32.17 | gruinelli | have a look here: http://danielwould.wordpress.com/2010/01/31/n900-charging-from-dumb-charger/ |
| 20:32.25 | Choom | never had issues with any chargers whatsoever, my phone works just as well from USB as it does from the outlet charger and the adapter for old chargers (N95 and E71 chargers tested on the adapter so far) |
| 20:32.42 | gruinelli | I tested 3 chargers, none of them worked |
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| 20:34.54 | ik_5 | for me it's just started to stop reacting to the charger, it used to work properly, i can't figure out why |
| 20:35.37 | gruinelli | I used a charger for months, and then it started to fail, i guess it just got overloaded, as it only can supply 500mA |
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| 20:37.26 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: I uploaded the package, but it fails for the same reason as on my scratchbox. Somehow it has problems with the supplied setup.py file |
| 20:37.53 | gruinelli | I already posted it in the forum, but without help: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=876049&postcount=74 |
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| 20:39.04 | gruinelli | As I understand the problem is python2.3. I saw that it should work on newer python versions |
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| 20:45.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | resistor??? |
| 20:45.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf? |
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| 20:47.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's supposed to be widespread knowledge by now that fastcharger need a ahort from D+ to D-, according to official USB charger spec supplement |
| 20:47.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ahort/short |
| 20:48.15 | MohammadAG | sighs at Sony Ericcson |
| 20:48.37 | MohammadAG | the X10's charger doesn't have them shorted |
| 20:50.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, USB charger spec is a weird piece of cruft. There are actually several concurrent valid signaling methods |
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| 20:51.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | resistors are involved by signaling via ID pin. See e.g. FreeRunner |
| 20:52.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | this version also used for externally powered hostmode with a special Y-cable |
| 20:52.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | which actually seems to be a parallel development of USB cert and me |
| 20:53.55 | gruinelli | Which python version does the autobuilder have? If I just use the command python, then it uses 2.3, which is too old. And when I use python2.5, it doesn not know it, but it works in scratchbox |
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| 20:55.20 | MohammadAG | use "python" |
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| 21:00.07 | gruinelli | the autobuilder gives me this error: "error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/shedskin': Permission denied" :( |
| 21:00.22 | gruinelli | why does it use python 2.3, it will not work with it |
| 21:00.47 | piggz | lo, can a theme cause an n900 to randomly reboot? if not, what would...mines been doing it for the last few days...this afternoon i decided to re-flash pr.13, and not install anything from extras-devel/extras-testing to make sure it wasnt that |
| 21:00.56 | gruinelli | i had the same error on my pc, but fixed it with a chmod as root |
| 21:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | what has a package build to create any file in that location anyway? |
| 21:04.36 | gruinelli | it is a compiler which makes c code out of python code. |
| 21:05.01 | gruinelli | according to teh python doc, this is the folder where it should go! |
| 21:05.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | which makes WHAT? |
| 21:05.26 | gruinelli | see http://code.google.com/p/shedskin/ |
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| 21:05.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | ooh |
| 21:05.43 | gruinelli | it can be used to improve the speed of slow python code |
| 21:05.54 | gruinelli | on my application I could improve the speed by 18x |
| 21:06.14 | gruinelli | it makes a module which you then can import into python code |
| 21:06.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds thoroughly messed up a concept |
| 21:06.29 | gruinelli | why? |
| 21:06.57 | gruinelli | its much easier than writing the whole program in c |
| 21:07.01 | gruinelli | and it works |
| 21:07.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | LOL |
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| 21:07.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah works. |
| 21:07.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-P |
| 21:07.33 | gruinelli | whats your problem with it? |
| 21:08.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | If you have to ask that... |
| 21:08.18 | gruinelli | if you want to do the effort to write the module yourself in c, its much more work |
| 21:08.37 | gruinelli | this way you can focus on your python app und just esport some cpu intensive functions. |
| 21:08.59 | gruinelli | python itself works this ways, most built in functions are actually writen in c |
| 21:09.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah. I suggest python does kernel patching as well |
| 21:09.39 | gruinelli | it works great on my phone, but scratchbox + autobuilde rcan not install it :( |
| 21:09.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | no wonder |
| 21:10.03 | gruinelli | hä? what has that to do with the kernel? |
| 21:10.13 | gruinelli | nobody would write a kernel module in python, tzz |
| 21:10.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | luckily meamo isn't THAT fucked up with respect to sane permisions |
| 21:10.43 | ik_5 | actually there are kernel modules in perl and python as PoC |
| 21:11.22 | gruinelli | alright, if you can show me how to write a module c and compile and package it, i am willing to do it |
| 21:11.37 | gruinelli | but there seems not to be much good documentation about it |
| 21:11.39 | sjk | hm. would it be silly to install gcc on the phone? I dont have a linux computer to use for development |
| 21:12.04 | gruinelli | I installed it, and it works, just be aware that your ootfs will get full :) |
| 21:12.11 | ik_5 | sjk, virtualbox can help you :) |
| 21:12.18 | gruinelli | and dont forget to make a backup before or reflash it again |
| 21:12.21 | MohammadAG | or make a chroot and install the full SDK |
| 21:12.43 | MohammadAG | would be nice if X-Fade could allow me to host an image on tablets-dev |
| 21:12.48 | sjk | hmm |
| 21:12.55 | sjk | virtualbox eh? |
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| 21:13.27 | ik_5 | sjk, install debian (or ubuntu if you must) in virtualbox and you have development environmnt based on linux :) |
| 21:13.50 | sjk | Is that like vmware? |
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| 21:14.31 | ik_5 | yes, although it's Oracle's (after they bought sun) it still should be used in desktop virtualization.. |
| 21:15.02 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: do you have any tip how I could get shedskin built? Or do I really have to quit and dig hot to build a module in pure c? That would have the disadventage that I have to maintain 2 projects |
| 21:15.11 | sjk | ah, i see |
| 21:15.20 | sjk | i'll check it out :) |
| 21:15.41 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, where does it error out? |
| 21:15.54 | gruinelli | error: could not create '/scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/shedskin': Permission denied |
| 21:16.22 | gruinelli | i had the same error on my scratchbox, but thought it is just an error from the installer |
| 21:16.28 | MohammadAG | dude |
| 21:16.31 | gruinelli | so i fixed it as root with chmod |
| 21:16.36 | MohammadAG | use bdist_dumb |
| 21:16.40 | MohammadAG | and go from there |
| 21:16.50 | gruinelli | where and how do I use that? |
| 21:16.51 | MohammadAG | unpack the tar into src/ |
| 21:16.55 | MohammadAG | make a debian dir |
| 21:17.03 | gruinelli | I have that |
| 21:17.05 | MohammadAG | cp the folders into their right places |
| 21:17.14 | MohammadAG | i.e in debian/rules, in install: |
| 21:17.39 | MohammadAG | do cp -r src/* debian/shedskin/ |
| 21:17.51 | ik_5 | DocScrutinizer51, btw thank you a lot for your help |
| 21:18.09 | sjk | oh, by the way, is there a way to rank what internet connection to use? As it is now Maemo tries to access the internet through the "MMS" connection |
| 21:18.22 | gruinelli | what will that help? |
| 21:19.00 | gruinelli | can i not already do that in the tar file? why does the installer have to do that? |
| 21:21.32 | HRH_H_Crab | *sigh* |
| 21:21.43 | HRH_H_Crab | there is a LOT to love about the N900 and Maemo. |
| 21:21.52 | HRH_H_Crab | the media player is not one of those things. |
| 21:21.54 | HRH_H_Crab | :( |
| 21:21.59 | luke-jr | lol |
| 21:22.20 | lardman|home | sjk: that connection should not be visible in the list now |
| 21:22.35 | alterego | If any of you are thinking of writing a bluetooth service and advertise on SDP, don't. |
| 21:22.45 | alterego | starts rocking backwards and forwards. |
| 21:23.20 | MohammadAG | SDP? |
| 21:23.43 | alterego | service discovery protocol |
| 21:23.52 | alterego | It's used in bluetooth for devices to know what other devices can do. |
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| 21:24.02 | alterego | 100 lines |
| 21:24.07 | alterego | I suppose that's not too bad really . |
| 21:24.32 | alterego | Bit of tweaking is needed, but it works: http://pastie.org/1315928 |
| 21:24.33 | alterego | :D |
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| 21:24.43 | MohammadAG | Bluetooth social networking |
| 21:24.47 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, alterego YAY! i got swipe working (Ok, not alterego's cool one) but i can swipe to swap stackable windows now :0 |
| 21:24.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 21:24.59 | alterego | NooBmonk3y: oh you're using gestures? |
| 21:25.04 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: what does it help when the install script copies the files into the debian folder? and what does it have to do with bdist_dumb? |
| 21:25.12 | NooBmonk3y | kinda |
| 21:25.16 | NooBmonk3y | gestures dont work on maemo |
| 21:25.25 | alterego | Some of them are supposed to .. |
| 21:25.26 | NooBmonk3y | but i used this - with alot of extra thinking lol - http://kunalmaemo.blogspot.com/2010/10/detecting-swipe-gesture-in-qt.html |
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| 21:25.33 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, did try them all |
| 21:25.44 | NooBmonk3y | none worked, but this guys code worked after an hour of tinkering :) |
| 21:26.07 | alterego | Oh, heh |
| 21:26.15 | NooBmonk3y | Time to get rid of my menu and buttons, wohoooooooooO! |
| 21:26.26 | MohammadAG | gruinelli, copying to debian/sourcepackagenamehere/ means it'll get packed into the deb |
| 21:26.35 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, use hide() |
| 21:26.47 | NooBmonk3y | hide? |
| 21:26.48 | alterego | bluetooth-servier :: ServiceAcceptor: onConnect() |
| 21:26.50 | MohammadAG | jk |
| 21:26.51 | MohammadAG | xD |
| 21:26.53 | alterego | It's freakin' working man :D |
| 21:27.00 | alterego | Oh look, a typo! |
| 21:27.04 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 21:27.09 | MohammadAG | marries it |
| 21:27.27 | alterego | Well, this afternoon wasn't a complete waste ^.^ |
| 21:27.42 | MohammadAG | alterego, how do daemons work? :3 |
| 21:27.55 | MohammadAG | C++ ones |
| 21:28.07 | alterego | Same as any other daemon |
| 21:28.07 | gruinelli | But that will not sovle the problem with the missing permission! |
| 21:28.32 | alterego | You write a program, and get upstart to run it in the background on startup |
| 21:28.44 | alterego | (If only it was really that simple though ;) |
| 21:28.46 | ik_5 | thank you all for your help, I'll finish my day gn |
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| 21:29.24 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: it's just a normal C++ binary |
| 21:29.31 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: the only difference is how it is started |
| 21:30.08 | MohammadAG | yes, I mean how does it not rape the CPU/mem |
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| 21:31.55 | alterego | MohammadAG: well, most programs don't, as long as they're idle. |
| 21:32.21 | alterego | Say you write a daemon using Qt. |
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| 21:32.36 | alterego | You initiate the event loop by calling QApplication::exec(). |
| 21:32.59 | alterego | Most of the time, if the application is doing something, like waiting for input from a file, or waiting for a client to connect to some socket, it's doing nothing. |
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| 21:33.48 | alterego | And the Qt event loop (I believe) is like a reactor, it blocks waitinf for events to occur to trigger your application logic, so it's basically waiting for the kernel to signal it that something interesting has happened. |
| 21:34.23 | alterego | Now, say you write a daemon, and you're implementing your own main loop or event loop, you just have to make sure you call sleep with a good enough period to not kill the CPU with your dumb code ;) |
| 21:34.44 | MohammadAG | and how does it know which part it should repeat? |
| 21:35.06 | alterego | Which part what should repeat? |
| 21:35.25 | alterego | Daemons are usually monitoring/waiting to react to events |
| 21:35.27 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: I am actually not sure why it makes sense to make a package of shedskin, as it never will be usefull on the phone without gcc. All I need is that the autobuilder has those files in the /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages/ folder, so gcc can compile the module. |
| 21:36.03 | alterego | gruinelli: you need to create a -dev package really :P |
| 21:36.47 | Arkenoi | btw if n9 has capacitive touchscreen, using easydebian LXDE might be painful not to say almost impossible |
| 21:36.55 | gruinelli | hmm, but that does not solve my problem |
| 21:37.03 | MohammadAG | it does |
| 21:37.10 | gruinelli | how? |
| 21:37.15 | MohammadAG | you use shedskin on the builder, not the device |
| 21:37.30 | gruinelli | lol, thats what I try to do wince 4h :( |
| 21:38.13 | MohammadAG | would've packaged it in 5 mins, but I'm in bed |
| 21:38.17 | gruinelli | If I understand you right, I have to create a package for shedskin, so it can be installed on the server |
| 21:38.20 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: a daemon's only purpose is to be quick and reactive, you basically put it to sleep for x seconds |
| 21:38.29 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:38.38 | gruinelli | but it will not run there, as the server uses python2.3, which is too old |
| 21:38.40 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: or if you're working with signals, you can put it to sleep indefinitely, and then just wake it up with a signal if something happens |
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| 21:38.59 | MohammadAG | how do you know? |
| 21:39.08 | MohammadAG | the autobuilder doesn't use scratchbox |
| 21:39.45 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, hmm, I see |
| 21:39.52 | MohammadAG | but suppose I execute the app |
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| 21:40.04 | MohammadAG | how does it know which event it has to repeat? |
| 21:41.04 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:41.10 | MohammadAG | nvm, I think I got it |
| 21:41.22 | crashanddie | dude |
| 21:41.26 | crashanddie | that's coding? |
| 21:41.28 | gruinelli | MohammadAG: I gte this error: "NameError: name 'set' is not defined" in scratchbox. And here is an explanation: http://lists.logilab.org/pipermail/python-projects/2007-January/001122.html |
| 21:41.38 | gruinelli | > The "set" class was introduced in Python 2.4. |
| 21:42.02 | MohammadAG | how do you know the builder uses 2.3? |
| 21:42.09 | crashanddie | while (true) { if (signalQueue.received()) handleSignalQueue(); else sleep(2000); } |
| 21:42.15 | crashanddie | done |
| 21:42.26 | gruinelli | See 4. last line here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/shedskin_0.6/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt |
| 21:43.35 | MohammadAG | you're doing it wrong |
| 21:43.51 | gruinelli | so my issues are: 1) it sues a too old python version, 2) there are missing access rights for 2 folders, one of them is /scratchbox/tools/lib/python2.3/site-packages |
| 21:43.51 | MohammadAG | see noor's source |
| 21:43.58 | MohammadAG | it was originally a setup.py |
| 21:44.07 | MohammadAG | basically |
| 21:44.16 | MohammadAG | make a source folder, under it make debian/ and src/ |
| 21:44.34 | MohammadAG | run bdist_dumb somewhere outside it, then extract the tar into src/ |
| 21:44.58 | MohammadAG | then in debian/rules do cp -r src/* debian/shedskin/* |
| 21:45.07 | MohammadAG | that's it |
| 21:45.09 | gruinelli | you mean *python steup.py bdist_dumb"? |
| 21:45.19 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 21:45.26 | MohammadAG | run it outside the source package |
| 21:45.33 | MohammadAG | source dir, whatever |
| 21:45.37 | alterego | now feels the wave of nirvana he gets when he's finished some crazy programming milestone |
| 21:45.41 | alterego | "bluetooth-server :: ServiceAcceptor: onConnect() - Remote endpoint connected: 00:1F:3A:D6:E4:2B" |
| 21:45.44 | alterego | Done |
| 21:45.46 | gruinelli | but there will not be a setup.py |
| 21:45.58 | MohammadAG | so? |
| 21:46.06 | MohammadAG | we don't need it |
| 21:46.34 | MohammadAG | off to bed, school day tomorrow |
| 21:46.48 | MohammadAG | i'm sure others can help, if not, i'll package it tomorrow |
| 21:47.00 | gruinelli | but i get : python: can't open file 'setup.py' |
| 21:47.33 | gruinelli | well, i will see what I can figure out. Thank you very much for your help! |
| 21:47.41 | MohammadAG | then remove it from debian/rules :) |
| 21:47.51 | MohammadAG | o/ everyone |
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| 21:50.30 | alterego | Hrm, that's kind of pointless, I setup my bluetooth server to handle multiple connections but it can only actually accept one. |
| 21:50.44 | alterego | I thought bluetooth allowed multiple connects to the same service :/ |
| 21:50.49 | alterego | Meh, oh well. |
| 21:51.03 | crashanddie | It allows simulatenous sessions |
| 21:51.08 | crashanddie | IIRC |
| 21:51.19 | crashanddie | connections really depends on the chipset |
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| 21:51.57 | alterego | I'm debating whether I should do a HCI remote friendly name lookup |
| 21:52.09 | alterego | To replace the BDADDR with the bluetooth device name in my UI ;) |
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| 22:00.40 | NooBmonk3y | night alls :) |
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| 22:04.39 | sjk | lardman|home, what do you mean? |
| 22:05.17 | lardman|home | I mean that you no longer need to create a separate connection, fmms should do it for you behind the scenese |
| 22:05.25 | lardman|home | this means it won't be available for other apps to use |
| 22:05.44 | sjk | Hmm |
| 22:06.02 | lardman|home | so remove the connection, then add the details to the settings in fmms |
| 22:06.22 | lardman|home | you probably need to use fmms or the fmms helper to remove the connection too |
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| 22:07.05 | newbie007 | is there such a program that will record video and upload it to an offsite server instantly ? |
| 22:07.27 | newbie007 | also encrypted file on local device |
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| 22:08.07 | sjk | lardman|home, I cannot seem to delete the MMS connection |
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| 22:08.38 | lardman|home | yep, see if there's an option in fmms, otherwise iirc there was a program that went with fmms to create and remove connections |
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| 22:09.16 | lardman|home | fAPN |
| 22:09.19 | lardman|home | is the name |
| 22:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | frals is he name :-D |
| 22:09.52 | lardman|home | well yeah, but no need to bother him yet ;) |
| 22:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:10.27 | sjk | installs fAPN |
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| 22:12.28 | kerio | votes that fAPN is renamed Fap'n |
| 22:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | fapman |
| 22:16.58 | DocScrutinizer | hell, how much better whould've been e.g. faster-AM |
| 22:17.44 | DocScrutinizer | or FAM |
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| 22:19.15 | DocScrutinizer | I'd have to see if I can dig out one of those list from marketing, with all the 2 letter, 3 letter, and word blacklists. |
| 22:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | I'm sure ^fap* is one of the killer regex in there |
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| 22:27.08 | Creteil | hi all |
| 22:27.51 | Creteil | Is there a way to launch osso-xterm without toolbar, in fullscreen and with specified font size ? |
| 22:29.20 | lardman|home | sjk: got it sorted? |
| 22:29.35 | alterego | Anyone know of a good desktop linux app that can talk to bluetooth GPS'? |
| 22:29.40 | alterego | By good I mean neat :) |
| 22:31.30 | lardman|home | hits the sack |
| 22:31.32 | lardman|home | night all |
| 22:33.45 | Jaffa | Creteil: NAFAIK |
| 22:34.21 | Creteil | Jaffa, :-( bad news |
| 22:35.01 | Creteil | No way to launch a console application with font params and in fullscreen so ... |
| 22:35.04 | Creteil | tsss |
| 22:35.49 | pupnik | Origin of Kinect revealed: http://www.cassiopaea.org/forum/index.php?topic=19567.0 heads up |
| 22:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | ask inz |
| 22:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | http://inz.fi/blog/category/geeky/maemo/maemo-hackers/osso-xterm/ |
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| 22:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: Creteil: at least font size is stored somewhere iirc. So you'd think you could change that setting in storage location (probably gconf) prior to osso-xterm startup |
| 22:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | pretty unclean and ugly, but... |
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| 22:46.50 | mc_teo | hey |
| 22:47.05 | mc_teo | my emails are reportable all wrong address? |
| 22:47.12 | mc_teo | what could be the problem? |
| 22:47.17 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, sure it's ugly, would be better if command line parameters be implemented ... |
| 22:47.41 | DocScrutinizer | cmdline parameters are supposed to be those of xterm I'd say |
| 22:47.49 | mc_teo | i think is because of captchas or something equally silly |
| 22:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo: sorry, can't parse |
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| 22:48.38 | mc_teo | me? |
| 22:48.54 | mc_teo | when my email accounts try to update |
| 22:49.14 | mc_teo | they all come up a wrong username/password |
| 22:49.24 | mc_teo | and ask me to edit settings |
| 22:49.25 | mc_teo | they are all right |
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| 22:51.39 | ShadowJK | Ovi feels really international. the first page is in dutch, but offers me english. I log in, and ovi is now in swedish. I click the music store link, and ovi becomes finnish |
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| 22:54.30 | alterego | Oh ... |
| 22:54.39 | alterego | I have to configure baud settings .. |
| 22:55.56 | alterego | Oh, I shouldn't have to .. |
| 22:57.17 | tugrik | heh ShadowJK, yeah, the site feels a little half finished ;) |
| 22:57.32 | tugrik | any tips on how to set the title of an xterm window on my N900? |
| 22:57.42 | alterego | -t ? |
| 22:58.29 | tugrik | ah, would like to change it while using it, rather than when I start it off |
| 22:58.45 | tugrik | plus I tend to start them from the menu at the top anyway |
| 22:59.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's an ansi esc sequence to do that |
| 22:59.37 | tugrik | yeah, doesn't seem to be working for me.... wondered if I was doing something wrong |
| 22:59.58 | alterego | DocScrutinizer51: does it work with osso-xterm though? ;) |
| 23:00.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | inz mentioned he implemented title support sometime in 2007 |
| 23:01.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | see link posted above |
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| 23:02.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it doesn't work with stck osso-xterm then that's a reason to get a better term emu |
| 23:04.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | damn, I seem to remember things like --invert |
| 23:04.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | did I dream that? |
| 23:04.40 | *** join/#maemo mavhc (~mavhc@cpc4-basf8-2-0-cust689.12-3.cable.virginmedia.com) |
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| 23:15.16 | ShadowJK | sighs |
| 23:15.34 | ShadowJK | So if you buy an album of music from ovi music |
| 23:15.45 | ShadowJK | you get download links to every individual song |
| 23:16.11 | ShadowJK | their filenames are just "song,mp3", without artist name, album, or track name |
| 23:19.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: who cares? According to Nokia's philosophy user should"mt bother at all about filenames etc, there's tracker to sort things for you |
| 23:19.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~snack |
| 23:19.23 | infobot | ACTION snack? yes yeaaas yeaaaaaaaaaaas pleaaase :P |
| 23:21.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'd just die of laughter when second download's song1.mp3 overwrites first song1 |
| 23:21.48 | tugrik | yeah, i can set the title from the command line, but I'm trying to set up the "echo -e ..." as an alias, and not getting that bit correct |
| 23:22.28 | ShadowJK | tracker shit isn't portable |
| 23:22.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | orly? |
| 23:22.54 | alterego | read, -1 bytes, wtf?! |
| 23:22.59 | ShadowJK | I mean the data is hidden in some mysterious format somewhere |
| 23:23.07 | alterego | is confused. |
| 23:23.13 | ShadowJK | alterego, check errno |
| 23:23.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | tracker as used in maemo is as idiotic as dos1.1 |
| 23:24.05 | ShadowJK | So if I move files to, say, an mp3 player, that has way too little cpu to run any fancy id3 parsing, all stuff is in some random order |
| 23:24.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 23:24.43 | ShadowJK | whereas if music is as Artist/Album/number_Songname.mp3, I have a browseable in-order music experience |
| 23:24.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | btw, DOES it even HAVE id3? |
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| 23:25.02 | ShadowJK | I'm about to find out |
| 23:25.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | loses |
| 23:25.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | losers even |
| 23:25.49 | ShadowJK | it even has album picture in id3.. |
| 23:26.38 | ShadowJK | I'm going to email them and suggest thet provide configurable naming and directory hierarchy and .rar "imager" ;-) |
| 23:27.32 | alterego | "Invalid or incomplete multibyte or wide character" wtf?! :D |
| 23:29.04 | ShadowJK | are you using threads |
| 23:29.08 | alterego | Nope |
| 23:29.24 | alterego | Why would read do that .. |
| 23:30.58 | ShadowJK | oh god, now I'm getting dual-language sentences |
| 23:31.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol |
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| 23:31.11 | Lantizia | Beep! |
| 23:31.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | OVI, Nokia's running gag |
| 23:32.03 | Lantizia | Imagine if the "beep" package was ported... you loose your N900... so you SSH to it and force it to make a noise :) |
| 23:32.31 | ShadowJK | Website <title> in dutch, "Hello" in english and finnish |
| 23:32.31 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 23:32.32 | Lantizia | more geeky than simply ringing it lol |
| 23:32.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | play-sound /dev/urandom |
| 23:32.57 | SpeedEvil | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# cat /usr/local/bin/beep |
| 23:32.57 | SpeedEvil | #!/bin/sh |
| 23:32.58 | SpeedEvil | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav |
| 23:33.22 | Lantizia | must be downstairs lol |
| 23:33.46 | ShadowJK | wonders where to see a list of things purchased and if things can be redownloaded |
| 23:34.00 | Lantizia | ShadowJK, on Ovi? |
| 23:34.06 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 23:34.14 | Lantizia | it's "My Stuff" and yeah you download as much you want |
| 23:34.34 | ShadowJK | I dont even see a my stuff link |
| 23:34.51 | Lantizia | it's the last item on the top bar of the ovi site when signed in |
| 23:35.10 | ShadowJK | well on Ovi Store yeah, but not on Ovi Music |
| 23:35.20 | Lantizia | aaah never used music sorry |
| 23:35.47 | ShadowJK | on main ovi site when logged in, top right is Anonymous, Account, Support, sign out |
| 23:36.59 | Lantizia | im on about ovi store though when viewing on the n900 itself |
| 23:38.29 | ShadowJK | urgh, there's some nonfunctional "Oh look we're awesome" void() page when I try opera |
| 23:38.46 | ShadowJK | can't even log in |
| 23:39.09 | ShadowJK | was hoping to get full desktop music.ovi page and finding a "my stuff"-like link |
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| 23:39.49 | joli | oi |
| 23:42.55 | ShadowJK | I click "Support", and get: "Etsintätulokset: Error: restricted with below filters" |
| 23:43.05 | ShadowJK | thinks: "Huh?" |
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| 23:46.07 | ShadowJK | hah, I tricked it by adding a /pc to the url, and it gave me the full normal uncastrated webpage |
| 23:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | gasps |
| 23:46.37 | ShadowJK | with promising "Music-account", and "Downloads information" links |
| 23:47.26 | ShadowJK | ah, seems I could redownload from there |
| 23:47.26 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that quite sad? |
| 23:47.39 | ShadowJK | except microb hung when I tapped the download link |
| 23:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 23:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | a really great and convenient user experience |
| 23:48.43 | ShadowJK | Well it didn't hang per se, the download link turned into a spinning circle thing that spun 3 quarter of a circle and then stopped. the entire page stopped working, though browser still responded |
| 23:49.25 | DocScrutinizer | I found just one positive thing about OVI and N900: videos from OVI look better on N900 than they do on my laptop |
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| 23:50.44 | ShadowJK | oh second attempt it popped up (inside the webpage) a fakedialog asking if I want to redownload |
| 23:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | this might be due to my really lazy and poor laptop video codec maintenance though |
| 23:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | joy of ecmascript? |
| 23:51.26 | ShadowJK | the fakedialog insists to self-center, which makes it impossible to zoom in on :D |
| 23:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFL |
| 23:52.33 | ShadowJK | because when I zoom in on the download button, it centers itself and download button is moved offscreen |
| 23:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how those web "programmers" always manage to never user their own dogfood on the intended target platform |
| 23:53.57 | Dassu | y |
| 23:54.25 | ShadowJK | to be fair, this is the /pc "platform" |
| 23:54.58 | ShadowJK | the redownload doesn't seem to be available from the default interface offered when visiting music store with n900 |
| 23:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | "see, it works like a charm" (when running off cache/local-HDD, on a Mac with a 3GHz quad core) |
| 23:55.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this lil "phone" is much better than my prev laptop ever could get |
| 23:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder/hope if there's a special hell for those web "programmers" |
| 23:57.51 | ShadowJK | "{Missing display text mapping for 'softkey.options' in language 'fi'}" |
| 23:57.51 | sp3000 | timeless_mbp: so, there's a lot of stuff (potentially, at least) |
| 23:58.18 | sp3000 | I could use a "purpose of the document" brief, as in, what sort of change it wants to effect |
| 23:58.18 | ShadowJK | great, could you just give me english then? |
| 23:58.31 | DocScrutinizer | tana_fi FTW - MUHAHA |
| 23:58.35 | sp3000 | to, you know, guide edits :) |
| 23:58.44 | sp3000 | ....tana |
| 23:59.08 | sp3000 | (it more or less matches mmit_en) |
