| 00:00.06 | DocScrutinizer | feels like birth of next project baby |
| 00:01.09 | DocScrutinizer | guess I'll need massive support from jacekowski and people like Dieter Spahr and laf0rge |
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| 00:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | the BB5 RAPUYAMA *for sure* knows how to CB, it's used in several other Nokia phones as well afaik |
| 00:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how much it takes to make Nokia throw over a few compiler switches and build a proper cmt FW version that supports all the stuff a proper *featurephone* can do since 2005 |
| 00:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | starhash-enabler PFFFFTT what a BS (I may say this!) |
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| 00:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | maybe cmt already knows how to do all this, incl CB, and we only need to bribe some Nokia guy with a few beers once again, to tell us the magic URL where we can find how to talk to rapuyama's cell broadcast interface |
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| 00:16.55 | SpeedEvil | ponders an opensource CMT. |
| 00:16.58 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 00:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | sighing will be all you can do about it |
| 00:17.44 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 00:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | but RE and patching is in vicinity |
| 00:18.37 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 00:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | don't you agree? |
| 00:18.58 | DocScrutinizer | we know it's a ARM |
| 00:19.00 | SpeedEvil | What I'm annoyed at the moment is why I get random discos from 3g |
| 00:19.19 | SpeedEvil | while completely static, with an active connection |
| 00:19.21 | DocScrutinizer | we got several other phones (58000?) using BB5 as well |
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| 00:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | eeeew |
| 00:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | someof those other phones may even have a proper comprehensive AT interface |
| 00:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | we can disassemble cmt fw, jacekowski already did |
| 00:20.54 | SpeedEvil | but can you flahs |
| 00:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | that's a good question |
| 00:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | I'd think yes, with proper jig and jtag |
| 00:21.52 | SpeedEvil | JTAG and jig is one thing, in phone is another. |
| 00:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 00:22.18 | SpeedEvil | set xdata time |
| 00:22.20 | DocScrutinizer | even jtag may fail, if they locked it up as well with SHA |
| 00:22.22 | SpeedEvil | set timefmt "%s" |
| 00:22.23 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 00:22.27 | johnsu01 | So, my return key often stops working in the terminal, so I have to use C-m -- this seems to happen after ssh sessions |
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| 00:22.47 | johnsu01 | any ideas why that might be? |
| 00:23.29 | johnsu01 | I'm using screen in the ssh session, and also setting TERM sometimes, but return stays broken after I disconnect |
| 00:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | there's something odd with return key (vs NK-Enter) |
| 00:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | NUM-lock? |
| 00:24.06 | johnsu01 | hm, well, reset fixes it |
| 00:25.04 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to try the return key fix, as described in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 00:26.07 | johnsu01 | interesting |
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| 00:28.13 | DocScrutinizer | johnsu01: also I remember a funny thing when trying suspend-to-ram on N810: you mustn't do this by just firing the suspend cmd by entering it pushing the return key, it locks up as you never can release it fast enough. A "sleep 5; suspend <return>" though did the trick. Dunno how you disconnect, but meybe it's similar a problem |
| 00:30.02 | johnsu01 | hm, I usually disconnect with C-d |
| 00:30.12 | johnsu01 | or the disconnection happens because I change networks |
| 00:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | then that's not it :-D |
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| 01:11.16 | Lantizia | Can anyone tell me what the difference is meant to be between USA and Global or UK and Global firmwares? |
| 01:12.25 | DocScrutinizer | different smell |
| 01:12.33 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: we can flash without a jig |
| 01:12.38 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: we can't sign it |
| 01:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | that's what I meant |
| 01:13.07 | Lantizia | Already how are the smells different? :D |
| 01:13.24 | DocScrutinizer | I know we can flash signed cmt fw via main system, aka NOLO |
| 01:13.24 | Lantizia | I get the idea of a Vodaphone UK firmware... fucked around by vodaphone |
| 01:13.29 | SpeedEvil | Do you mean can't flash without a jig? |
| 01:13.55 | Lantizia | how is the content different? |
| 01:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | I hoped via jtag we can flash unsigned fw |
| 01:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | M-bus, F-bus, whatever |
| 01:15.01 | jacekowski | we can flash unsigned firmware |
| 01:15.08 | jacekowski | it's just not going to run |
| 01:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 01:15.37 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:15.49 | jacekowski | and it should be safe to do so |
| 01:15.59 | SpeedEvil | What verifies the signature? |
| 01:16.06 | jacekowski | as it looks like flashing in rapuyama is done via rapuyama bootloader as well |
| 01:16.10 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: processor |
| 01:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | question to Radio Erewan: "how fast Mercedes can drive around corner?" Answer from Radio Erewan: "190km/h, but only one time" |
| 01:17.05 | SpeedEvil | So it's cryptographically signed, and you'd have to find a weakness in the bootloader, which we don't have object code for? |
| 01:17.32 | SpeedEvil | I don't suppose you know the signing digest algorithm? |
| 01:17.40 | jacekowski | we do know |
| 01:17.49 | jacekowski | we know how to sign it |
| 01:17.59 | SpeedEvil | I mean for CMT |
| 01:18.01 | jacekowski | we don't have certs to sign it |
| 01:18.02 | jacekowski | yes |
| 01:18.03 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 01:18.06 | jacekowski | it's same as for main cpu |
| 01:18.36 | jacekowski | but as far as i know |
| 01:18.49 | jacekowski | and was able to understand with limited amount of information |
| 01:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | how many bits is the key |
| 01:18.57 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 01:19.00 | jacekowski | trustzone/m-shield is pretty unhackable |
| 01:19.03 | jacekowski | 2048 iirc |
| 01:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 01:19.13 | SpeedEvil | RSA? |
| 01:19.17 | jacekowski | yep |
| 01:20.42 | jacekowski | thing is that if it's correctly set up |
| 01:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | how much of a complexity reduction is it when we own 10 or 20 valid signatures? |
| 01:20.57 | jacekowski | then even if you exploit something |
| 01:21.19 | jacekowski | you can't write to executable parts of memory |
| 01:21.25 | jacekowski | or execute writable parts |
| 01:21.31 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 01:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 01:21.34 | SpeedEvil | plot ['2009 Oct 24':] [73:96] "weighto" using 1:4 with lines lw 2 title "Daily weights","weighto" using 1:6 with lines lw 3 title "Weekly moving average",fast(x) title sprintf("Rate=%.2fKg/week",week/slopefast),slow(x) title sprintf("Rate=%.2fKg/week",week/slopeslow),92 title "BMI 30",76.5 title "BMI 25/76.5Kg due ".strftime("%d %b %Y",originslow-(76*slopeslow)) |
| 01:21.36 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 01:21.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: not enough |
| 01:22.04 | SpeedEvil | Quantum computers! |
| 01:22.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and it's using ECC |
| 01:22.08 | DocScrutinizer | yeah 2048 is pretty tough |
| 01:22.15 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: there no way to crack it that way |
| 01:22.35 | jacekowski | but there is part of nolo code that i had no time to look into |
| 01:22.44 | jacekowski | which is part that is flashing rapuyama |
| 01:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: how's that key flashed to BB5? |
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| 01:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: please suggest a good toolchain for RE of NOLO and CMT |
| 01:34.55 | jacekowski | IDA pro |
| 01:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like redmond |
| 01:35.16 | jacekowski | not really |
| 01:35.20 | jacekowski | it's dutch |
| 01:35.26 | jacekowski | i think |
| 01:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:35.38 | jacekowski | belgium |
| 01:35.41 | DocScrutinizer | still needs the W thing |
| 01:35.47 | jacekowski | nope |
| 01:35.53 | DocScrutinizer | nope? :-)) |
| 01:35.55 | jacekowski | runs on L thing as well |
| 01:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | great, now I only need a few k$ I guess |
| 01:36.17 | jacekowski | latest torrent version ( 5.5 ) via wine |
| 01:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 01:36.33 | jacekowski | or 6.0 native |
| 01:36.34 | DocScrutinizer | good point |
| 01:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | checks what torrent client he has at hand on this box |
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| 01:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | wine, wow. Seems I've not touched that since 5 years now |
| 01:42.12 | kwtm | Hi! Is there a "screen" utility for maemo? I want to be able to detach my shell session and close the terminal window, then later open another terminal and reattach to the session. |
| 01:42.40 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install screen |
| 01:43.44 | kwtm | SpeedEvil: Really? I can't seem to find it in the list but will try again anyway as you suggest. Is it in extras-devel? |
| 01:44.07 | SpeedEvil | tools |
| 01:44.10 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ |
| 01:45.09 | kwtm | tools? That's a new repository to me. Is it to be treated with the same precautions as extras-devel (as in, if it crashes, the people in this IRC channel will have no sympathy for me)? |
| 01:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | we will have all the sympathy with you, but that doesn't mean you can blindly trust tools :-) |
| 01:47.52 | DocScrutinizer | tools isn't meant for N900, but for SB, as I understand it |
| 01:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | using it on N900 is just a side effect |
| 01:48.52 | SpeedEvil | For example, you can install build-essentials |
| 01:49.09 | SpeedEvil | But it uses most space in / - as it's not optified. |
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| 01:52.51 | kwtm | Ah, I see. What is "SB"? I guess I'll try installing "screen" and see how much space it takes up. I don't suppose there's a vetting process for the tools repository, as in "if people don't say it works well, you have to put this in the tools-beta repository" or something similar? |
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| 01:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | SB = scratchbox (x86 development environment), no vetting |
| 01:55.00 | lolloo | hellooo0oo |
| 01:55.19 | lolloo | how do I see services runing on my N900 please? |
| 01:55.36 | lolloo | what command shall I type in xterm? |
| 01:55.36 | DocScrutinizer | with a good magnifying glass? |
| 01:56.18 | lolloo | hehehe |
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| 01:56.57 | DocScrutinizer | try ps or netstat or ls /etc/init.d or top or... what was the question? |
| 01:57.12 | lolloo | hehehe |
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| 01:57.31 | lolloo | I need to see the services runing on my N900. |
| 01:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | define see, define service, define running |
| 01:58.03 | lolloo | sorry |
| 01:58.53 | lolloo | But no problem, I thinks ps command works. I will google for it, thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 01:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | yw, though I doubt I could help |
| 01:59.59 | kwtm | lolloo: I suggest 'ps -ef | less' or 'ps -ef | grep <something>' |
| 02:00.00 | lolloo | wow so many services runing in background |
| 02:00.09 | kwtm | Just 'ps' seems to list very little, but 'ps -ef' lists too much. |
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| 02:00.21 | lolloo | eats up alot of rams |
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| 02:00.26 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Thanks for info on SB. Will check out screen. |
| 02:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | look, a question like "I want to make sure my sshd service is activated and ready to accept connections" is easier to answer than your very general question |
| 02:00.56 | internetishard | If someone called multiple times ( Jake (4) ), how do you tell when the calls occured? I'd like to see date/time or something |
| 02:01.18 | lolloo | cool, thanks |
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| 02:03.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | internetishard: in my call history every call is logged on its own |
| 02:04.17 | internetishard | hmm, any pluggin? |
| 02:04.31 | internetishard | well what does it mean for a missed call to have [Name] (#) |
| 02:04.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | not afaik. the extended phone log seems a separate app |
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| 02:05.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, maybe consequtive calls are concatenated |
| 02:08.29 | internetishard | ah, maybe i should get that app |
| 02:08.30 | internetishard | then |
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| 02:10.45 | lolloo | what app? |
| 02:10.55 | internetishard | I'm looking up what DocScrutinizer said |
| 02:11.01 | lolloo | phone log |
| 02:11.12 | lolloo | awesome I will try it too |
| 02:15.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | extended call log |
| 02:16.02 | internetishard | gotted it... any sick apps you recommend off the top of your head since I'm installing this awhile DocScrutinizer? |
| 02:16.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | load applet, simple brightness applet |
| 02:16.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | modified hildon desktop |
| 02:18.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | xchat |
| 02:18.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | flashlight |
| 02:18.42 | internetishard | you use irssi? |
| 02:19.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | would I suggest xchat then? |
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| 02:20.22 | internetishard | Guess not, I catch your drift |
| 02:20.39 | internetishard | Hell, I use pidgin on desktops for IRC....... Yeah I know. |
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| 02:39.53 | mykhal | i just bought a nokia n900 from a friend. i don't know much about the phone, but i see it takes 2 sim cards. i have one, but that card expired a few months ago. is there a good forum to read about the n900 ? |
| 02:42.05 | lolloo | yes |
| 02:42.12 | lolloo | go to maemo talk forums |
| 02:42.45 | mykhal | url?? |
| 02:43.04 | lolloo | google: maemo talk |
| 02:43.35 | mykhal | thanx |
| 02:43.58 | lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/ |
| 02:44.12 | mykhal | he told me that i can make calls from this phone for free. is that true? |
| 02:44.14 | lolloo | awesome place and the best for N900 |
| 02:44.21 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 02:44.24 | lolloo | I wish |
| 02:45.08 | mykhal | said that if i got a sim card, i could connect to wifi and make skype calls |
| 02:45.54 | toresbe | you don't need a SIM card to use Skype. |
| 02:46.06 | lolloo | agrees |
| 02:47.38 | mykhal | i wish he had the users manual to read. does the phone come with one installed? |
| 02:47.39 | lolloo | DocScrutinizer where can I find modified hildon desktop please? |
| 02:48.17 | lolloo | N900 is geeks dream come true. |
| 02:48.30 | lolloo | it's all about linux |
| 02:49.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | mykhal: yes there is a user manual somewhere on Documents |
| 02:50.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | and no you can't use 2 SIM cards |
| 02:50.12 | mykhal | whoa...so you're saying that i can use skype's $2.99 a month/unlimited calls to cells and landlines without having a sim card??? |
| 02:50.21 | lolloo | yes |
| 02:50.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | as long as you got access to internet via 2!*" |
| 02:51.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | wlan |
| 02:51.12 | mykhal | to use the internet i guess i do need a valid card though, correct? |
| 02:51.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | for wlan? |
| 02:51.37 | mykhal | no |
| 02:52.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | wlan usually isn't related to cards |
| 02:52.34 | mykhal | ok |
| 02:52.59 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51: If I wanted to monitor a gpio-switch, would doing it with inotify on the sys file waste battery and keep waking the device? |
| 02:53.03 | mykhal | so why would i ever need a card if i can pick up wifi all the time? |
| 02:53.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | WLAN is wireless local area network, were local means maybe 50m around your private WLAN accesspoint |
| 02:53.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope, wouldn't. If inotify works |
| 02:54.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | Termana: ^ |
| 02:54.06 | mykhal | i'm always around wifi |
| 02:54.29 | Termana | DocScrutinizer51: ok thanks |
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| 03:09.42 | lolloo | DocScrutinizer51 where can I find modified hildon desktop please? |
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| 03:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 03:12.06 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: if you get this to work, let me know please |
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| 03:14.38 | lolloo | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60599&page=36 |
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| 03:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 03:18.01 | lolloo | is this correct? |
| 03:18.03 | lolloo | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 03:18.15 | lolloo | is this modified hildon dekstop? |
| 03:18.40 | lolloo | is this modified hildon dekstop? Docscrutinizer |
| 03:18.49 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 03:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | afaik it's the same as the one from my tools page, so probably yes |
| 03:20.31 | lolloo | it says incompatibile package |
| 03:20.41 | lolloo | can't install it |
| 03:22.34 | lolloo | DOOOM! |
| 03:22.37 | lolloo | HAHAA |
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| 03:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | you clicked my repo install link, or what? |
| 03:28.09 | lolloo | yeqah |
| 03:28.11 | lolloo | yeah |
| 03:28.13 | lolloo | hehehe |
| 03:29.37 | tristan__ | what does it do? |
| 03:29.59 | lolloo | new repoes for testing! |
| 03:30.05 | lolloo | doooom! |
| 03:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | it just installs the maemo-testing, maemo-devel, and tools repo, automatically |
| 03:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | which means you'll reflash your device some days later, if you don't know what you're doing |
| 03:36.40 | mykhal | i'm a bit confused...skype has an unlimited plan for landlines and mobiles to US and canada. while signing up for it, it asks if i want to ad $5 for skype credit. why would i need credit if i'm getting an unlimited plan? |
| 03:37.41 | DocScrutinizer | no idea, but I bet skype isn't for free |
| 03:38.33 | mykhal | it isn't. it's $2.99 a month |
| 03:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | also even if calls to those were free, you might want to do calls to other destinations |
| 03:39.32 | mykhal | it's supposed to be landlines and mobiles |
| 03:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | frowns and suggests to reread the contract details |
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| 03:49.55 | nidO | mykhal: half the benefit of skype for a lot of users is the ability to call other places cheap. |
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| 03:51.11 | vdv | can't i create symbolic links inside MyDocs? |
| 03:51.29 | nidO | no |
| 03:51.34 | vdv | workaround? |
| 03:51.57 | nidO | reformat the emmc to ext |
| 03:51.59 | vdv | doesn't fat support symlinks? |
| 03:52.01 | nidO | no |
| 03:53.38 | vdv | not good :) |
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| 03:59.09 | pupnik | fat didn't even support subdirectories when it came out |
| 03:59.28 | pupnik | that was the coding prowess of microsoft |
| 03:59.39 | pupnik | you could buy a machine with a hard drive |
| 03:59.47 | pupnik | but you couldn't make subdirectories with MS-DOS |
| 03:59.53 | pupnik | no, you needed UNIX for subdirectories |
| 04:00.16 | pupnik | yes, microsoft said "all your files go in one directory" |
| 04:00.37 | pupnik | ALL OF THEM |
| 04:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | CPM at least had 16 users :-) |
| 04:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | but you find root directory of C: cluttered with all kinds of file crap on windows95 still |
| 04:04.16 | pupnik | mhm |
| 04:04.17 | DocScrutinizer | anyway afaik bindmounts work even on FAT |
| 04:04.29 | pupnik | had a dual z-dos/cpm machine |
| 04:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | BS-M (a BS2000 clone) had 6char filenames and also no subdirs. But they gave something to it called libraries, which had a max of iirc 625 files with even longer than 6char filenames inside a virtual dir with a 3 char name. the directory file of such a lib was XYZ.AA nad the real files XYZ.AB..XYZ.ZZ |
| 04:09.19 | DocScrutinizer | funny stuff |
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| 04:52.04 | mykhal | i'm having a hard time connecting to my wifi. when i choose my connection, there's a box for 'PIN method'. wtf is that? am i doing something wrong? |
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| 05:01.06 | tristan__ | what security mode are you using. |
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| 08:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | shit |
| 08:11.44 | DocScrutinizer | Nov 19 09:06:04 IroN900 init: flashlight-extra main process ended, respawning |
| 08:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | Nov 19 09:06:36 IroN900 last message repeated 14 times |
| 08:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | I'm rather sure I deinstalled it :-/ |
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| 08:13.37 | flux | quite possibly the package had a bug?-) |
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| 08:22.45 | Psi | anyone know if running a NFS server on n900 is easy to do? |
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| 08:28.44 | flux | extras-devel has unfs3 server, perhaps it works |
| 08:29.07 | flux | I'm guessing using sshfs is most often a lot simpler to set up, though |
| 08:29.23 | flux | (assuming your client is a linux host) |
| 08:29.26 | Psi | true, sshfs didnt occur to me |
| 08:29.32 | Psi | yep, it is |
| 08:30.23 | Psi | ill have to check what happens if you go out of wifi range with a mount active, might consume lots of battery |
| 08:30.56 | Psi | it used to do that if you had a smb share mounted on the n900 and the smb server was unplugged |
| 08:31.17 | flux | you mean n900 would be the ssh server? |
| 08:31.26 | flux | I doubt it consumes any (more) battery in that situation |
| 08:31.50 | Psi | for smb it did, i dunno about ssh |
| 08:32.12 | Appiah | flux: sshfs in windows works fine too , dunno about OSX though |
| 08:32.26 | flux | appiah, apparently fuse exists for osx as well |
| 08:32.31 | flux | but how about solaris? |
| 08:32.36 | flux | or hp/ux etc ;-) |
| 08:32.43 | Appiah | eeh who cares about them :) |
| 08:32.57 | Psi | i think the phone got stuck when the samba share it had mounted dissappered and it kept the phone at high cpu waiting for timeouts |
| 08:33.30 | flux | psi, so the phone was a smb client? |
| 08:34.11 | Psi | yes |
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| 08:34.57 | Psi | mounted at phone |
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| 08:35.48 | flux | so it's be the reverse situation.. |
| 08:36.02 | flux | (although I wonder that even in that case. perhaps it does many udp retransmissions.) |
| 08:36.13 | Psi | yes, what i want to do with ssh would be the reverse to that |
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| 08:42.12 | Psi | flux: thanks, sshfs seems to work great |
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| 08:59.16 | macmaN | what's the best choice to run on the n810 these days |
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| 08:59.47 | macmaN | mer is buried right |
| 09:00.08 | macmaN | maemo looks kinda ancient when youre using n900 every day |
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| 09:04.33 | flux | maybe you can run the n900 interface over vnc on it! |
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| 09:13.45 | timeless_mbp | macmaN: Maemo just works |
| 09:13.49 | timeless_mbp | which is good enough for me |
| 09:14.00 | timeless_mbp | flux: vnc is in the repos iirc |
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| 09:16.47 | macmaN | timeless_mbp: yeah, sounds about right.. |
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| 09:19.30 | crashanddie_ | Djeebus be damned |
| 09:19.38 | crashanddie_ | Kindle sold out until January |
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| 09:19.52 | crashanddie_ | And what about Christmas, eh? |
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| 09:22.54 | ieatlint | i saw one of the new kindles... looks nice |
| 09:23.25 | ieatlint | will keep a competition with tablets methinks |
| 09:23.48 | ieatlint | err, and amazon.com says kindle is in stock and ready to ship |
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| 09:24.17 | crashanddie_ | Shipping Method: Priority International Courier (averages 2-4 days) |
| 09:24.22 | crashanddie_ | The following items will arrive after December 25, 2010. |
| 09:24.27 | crashanddie_ | Estimated delivery date for these 2 items: January 12, 2011 - January 24, 2011 |
| 09:24.37 | crashanddie_ | Estimated ship date for these 2 items: January 10, 2011 - January 18, 2011 |
| 09:24.56 | ieatlint | for US market, it says i can order it now and have it delivered on saturday |
| 09:25.41 | crashanddie_ | sucks, badly |
| 09:26.06 | crashanddie_ | ieatlint, purchase it for me, send it? |
| 09:26.39 | ieatlint | hah, don't have anyone in the states better than a random guy on irc? |
| 09:27.19 | chem|st | my luv' misbehaves... but now it tastes smells and sticks like wheat-beer with coke :( |
| 09:27.43 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 09:27.43 | crashanddie_ | GAN |
| 09:27.50 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, where you at bro? |
| 09:28.18 | ieatlint | might be cheaper even.. $139 USD for non-3g version |
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| 09:30.03 | crashanddie_ | ieatlint, well, i'm buying it from the US anyway |
| 09:30.25 | crashanddie_ | ieatlint, so they're really just prioritising the shipping country |
| 09:30.43 | ieatlint | heh, ouch |
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| 09:34.09 | crashanddie_ | and the kindle sold on amazon.co.uk is UK only... |
| 09:34.14 | crashanddie_ | can't ship to France |
| 09:34.18 | crashanddie_ | bloody corporate guidelines |
| 09:35.47 | mavhc | free 3g forever is half the reason to buy one |
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| 09:36.10 | MohammadAG | slaps crashanddie |
| 09:36.17 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, wut? |
| 09:36.35 | MohammadAG | I just felt like it |
| 09:37.10 | crashanddie_ | (Notice) MohammadAG!*@* added to ignore list |
| 09:37.31 | MohammadAG | took you some time to fake that :P |
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| 09:39.19 | MohammadAG | alterego, a nice feature in columbus would be a reminder that it's open |
| 09:39.30 | MohammadAG | I lost half my battery in an hour :P |
| 09:39.42 | RST38h | Mohammad: Ovi Maps? :) |
| 09:40.25 | MohammadAG | RST38h, Columbus, alterego's app |
| 09:42.01 | alterego | MohammadAG: how is it supposed to remind you? :P |
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| 09:42.41 | MohammadAG | alterego, I'll leave that to you :P |
| 09:42.49 | alterego | Heh |
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| 09:43.08 | alterego | I think I'll do nothing :P |
| 09:43.22 | alterego | The GPS indicator should be some indication :P |
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| 09:43.51 | Lantizia | Hey does anyone here have access to files... "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" and "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin" ? |
| 09:43.53 | MohammadAG | alterego, I left my phone with columbus running :) |
| 09:44.02 | Lantizia | basically UK emmc flash and pr 1.3 for uk |
| 09:44.29 | ieatlint | have it check to see if it's not in view for X minutes, then disable the gps |
| 09:44.42 | alterego | Well, new version isn't as hard on battery, I've finished a sleep mode for when it's not doing anything/idle. |
| 09:44.50 | alterego | For pure data logging. |
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| 09:47.05 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:47.20 | MohammadAG | morning Jaffa |
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| 09:51.59 | Lantizia | anyone have access to those (I think they're Nokia Care? is it?) files? |
| 09:52.31 | MohammadAG | what about them |
| 09:52.47 | Lantizia | read up :P |
| 09:53.04 | andre41 | Lantizia, okay: "why?" |
| 09:53.27 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, so, what about them? |
| 09:53.29 | Lantizia | the uk pr 1.3 is not on the tablet-dev nokia download site |
| 09:53.41 | Lantizia | and neither is the uk emmc which save the hassle of getting the maps after |
| 09:54.04 | MohammadAG | you are not allowed to redistribute the files |
| 09:54.12 | Lantizia | but obviously the files exist |
| 09:55.07 | Lantizia | can anyone here put them in their proper place for download perhaps? |
| 09:55.59 | MohammadAG | ask X-Fade I suppose |
| 09:57.08 | andre41 | nah, that's really up to Nokia |
| 09:57.13 | Lantizia | if he has highlight you probably just did |
| 09:57.15 | Lantizia | lol |
| 09:57.42 | andre41 | plus you can click on "Vote for this bug" at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11592 |
| 09:57.43 | povbot | Bug 11592: PR1.3 UK FIASCO firmware image not available for download |
| 09:57.56 | andre41 | (but please no "me too!" comments) |
| 09:58.13 | Lantizia | povbot, it's a bug that gets logged _every_ time there is a new release |
| 09:58.14 | povbot | Lantizia: Error: "it's" is not a valid command. |
| 09:59.11 | andre41 | A valid Nokia workaround would be to simply not provide new releases anymore => problem solved </sarcasm> |
| 09:59.20 | Lantizia | I'm resorting to dodgy downloads of Nokia Care EXE's from rapidshare which is not good |
| 09:59.47 | Lantizia | but at least the installsheild extractor works in wine :S |
| 09:59.48 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, FYI, povbot is a bot :P |
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| 09:59.52 | RST38h | Mohammad: Sell him CPU time, then buy his app, once he starts selling it through Ovi Store |
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| 10:01.16 | MohammadAG | RST38h, lol |
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| 10:02.13 | MohammadAG | other than mce, what's reposible for haptic feedback? |
| 10:02.45 | andre41 | Lantizia: as I can see RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin on the internal Nokia server, can you please file a bug in bugs.maemo.org requesting to also host it on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ? |
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| 10:03.23 | Lantizia | andre41, is pr 1.3 for the uk also on that server? |
| 10:03.42 | Lantizia | presumably "RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.203_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin" |
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| 10:04.31 | andre41 | Lantizia, I have never seen any local variants on that server that I can access |
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| 10:06.39 | Lantizia | andre41, can you fulfil the bug if I log it? |
| 10:07.42 | andre41 | Lantizia, no. |
| 10:07.54 | andre41 | but Nokians could. |
| 10:11.57 | crashanddie_ | Cod Black Ops netted 650M revenue in 5 days |
| 10:12.34 | crashanddie_ | That's an average of 2 million copies sold per day |
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| 10:14.27 | lardman | crashanddie_: you played it? |
| 10:14.34 | crashanddie_ | I finished it :) |
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| 10:14.51 | lardman | probably took 10min judging by the game lengths these days ;) |
| 10:14.57 | lardman | what did you think? |
| 10:15.16 | crashanddie_ | nha, took me 3 days |
| 10:15.21 | crashanddie_ | at about 3h per day |
| 10:15.34 | crashanddie_ | story is a bit far fetched |
| 10:15.57 | crashanddie_ | it happens in the 60s, but you have laser-scoped guns |
| 10:16.08 | lardman | I've played for a couple of hours, finished a few levels, but my feeling is that no level is ever long enough, you just about get into it and you're off to do something else |
| 10:16.19 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 10:16.46 | crashanddie_ | the only level that was long enough I guess were the vietnam level, and the one in the snow |
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| 10:17.06 | lardman | I'm quite disappointed actually, I thought even MoH had better level lengths, and that was far too short and too constrained |
| 10:17.27 | crashanddie_ | ps3 or xbox? |
| 10:17.30 | lardman | PC |
| 10:17.36 | crashanddie_ | a but see |
| 10:17.40 | crashanddie_ | I play on a massive screen |
| 10:17.44 | crashanddie_ | which means the levels are bigger for me :D |
| 10:17.51 | lardman | Graphics on Cod aren't all that exciting |
| 10:18.03 | lardman | I've got a 22" monitor, close too me |
| 10:18.06 | lardman | ;) |
| 10:18.13 | lardman | s/too/to |
| 10:18.34 | crashanddie_ | well, it's a nice game if you have the money to spend |
| 10:18.37 | crashanddie_ | online is heaps of fun |
| 10:18.45 | crashanddie_ | zombies is overrated and boring |
| 10:18.52 | lardman | You need time and patience for that, neither of which I have - the online bit |
| 10:19.43 | MohammadAG | it's tryearch :p |
| 10:19.55 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, you sound like an anti-microsoft fanboi |
| 10:20.09 | crashanddie_ | "OMFG It's treyarch, what did you expect??? LOLZ WTF" |
| 10:20.23 | MohammadAG | no, just checking if you really ignored me :P |
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| 10:20.47 | crashanddie_ | now everyone gets to ignore you |
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| 10:21.10 | crashanddie_ | and why the hell are you on verizon fios? |
| 10:21.37 | MohammadAG | bouncer |
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| 10:26.29 | lardman | I hate tables and views and models |
| 10:27.19 | alterego | lardman: weird, I'm working on that at the moment ^.^ |
| 10:27.46 | lardman | QStandardItemModels and all that stuff |
| 10:27.50 | lardman | :( |
| 10:27.59 | derf | lardman: How's the mBardcode stuff coming along these days? |
| 10:28.07 | lardman | derf: pretty good |
| 10:28.16 | lardman | derf: got Python scripting working finally |
| 10:28.31 | alterego | I'm implementing a QAbstractTableModel for my GPS logging framework :/ |
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| 10:28.43 | derf | Ever come up with a solution to the image acquisition problem? |
| 10:28.45 | lardman | you done any more dev on zbar? I've not seen any new updates |
| 10:28.57 | derf | No, I haven't. |
| 10:29.16 | lardman | alterego: the docs are woeful, I just found an example of what I want - adding checkboxes and other odds and sods |
| 10:29.26 | derf | I think spadix was workng on PDF417, but I don't know if he ever finished it. |
| 10:29.37 | lardman | derf: I'll give him a shout at some point |
| 10:32.12 | derf | Hmm, apt thinks my mbarcode, which is ancient, is already the newest version. |
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| 10:32.51 | derf | I was trying to use it yesterday, and a) couldn't get the image to focus at any distance, and b) couldn't get it to open an in-focus image taken by the camera app. |
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| 10:33.07 | lardman | derf: is this an N900? |
| 10:33.12 | derf | Yes. |
| 10:33.18 | lardman | extras-devel enabled? |
| 10:33.31 | derf | Probably just extras. |
| 10:33.47 | lardman | I'm going to push to extras via -testing this weekend |
| 10:34.02 | derf | Err, probably extras-testing, too. |
| 10:34.21 | lardman | but I did once push to -testing to give more people the chance to use it, but got bored of receiving emails saying this doesn't work, that doesn't work, so just decided to release in extras-devel |
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| 10:34.26 | derf | Yes, both exras and testing, but not devel. |
| 10:34.32 | MohammadAG | derf, repos take priority |
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| 10:34.49 | MohammadAG | so 0.3 on repos > 0.4 not on repos |
| 10:34.50 | lardman | enable devel for two ticks and install the new version + plugins, should work a bit better at least ;) |
| 10:34.56 | RST38h | lardman: "If we do not answer the phones, maybe they will sotp calling" |
| 10:35.09 | lardman | I did try to remove the version from -testing, but apparently that didn't work |
| 10:35.47 | RST38h | lardman: Just ignore trivial reports and reports where they do not tell you what happened |
| 10:36.00 | lardman | RST38h: no, it just annoyed me too much, especially when people were saying "You WILL do this, otherwise you won't get promoted", after I'd stated that the code wasn't looking to be promoted and was still in testing |
| 10:36.05 | RST38h | lardman: And joinour asshole club :) |
| 10:36.10 | lardman | yep |
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| 10:36.30 | MohammadAG | RST38h, where do I sign up? |
| 10:36.37 | RST38h | lardman: Promoting it won't be a problem, don't worry :) |
| 10:36.54 | derf | Yeah, extras-testing did a good job of pissing me off, too. |
| 10:36.55 | RST38h | silently counts people who will prmote mbarcode if asked nicely |
| 10:37.11 | RST38h | MohammadAG: You already have, judging from your tmo thread... |
| 10:37.14 | lardman | no I'm happy now, but I've just not had much time to do the stuff I wanted |
| 10:37.14 | MohammadAG | charges by the vote |
| 10:37.30 | lardman | I'm also a bit of a perfectionist hate releasing stuff until it's really finished, etc |
| 10:37.32 | MohammadAG | RST38h, which one :P |
| 10:37.44 | derf | 1028 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 1 to remove and 11 not upgraded. |
| 10:37.55 | derf | Maybe I won't install -devel's mbarcode. |
| 10:38.05 | MohammadAG | pin it |
| 10:38.18 | lardman | well you should just be able to install mbarcode on its own, it doesn't pull in all that stuff afaiu |
| 10:38.31 | derf | That was apt-get install mbarcode by itself. |
| 10:38.38 | lardman | oh |
| 10:38.42 | lardman | are you on PR1.3? |
| 10:38.48 | derf | Of course not. |
| 10:38.58 | lardman | ah, there's your problem |
| 10:38.58 | RST38h | Mohammad: modified hildon-desktop and responses to it |
| 10:39.10 | lardman | PR1.3 works fine, I'd just flash it |
| 10:39.15 | lardman | or ota it |
| 10:39.19 | RST38h | derf: What do you have against the PR1.3? =) |
| 10:39.47 | derf | It doesn't fix any problems I have. |
| 10:40.02 | derf | And I'd rather not introduce the new problems it creates. |
| 10:40.05 | lardman | just update, otherwise you will have troubles installing much of anything |
| 10:40.06 | derf | Plus, upgrading is work. |
| 10:40.23 | derf | lardman: Fortunately, I don't install much of anything. |
| 10:40.33 | lardman | derf: you have sb working? |
| 10:40.36 | RST38h | derf: It does not require a reflash and does not introduce any new problems that I know of |
| 10:40.58 | RST38h | derf: So, relatively safe to upgrade |
| 10:41.10 | derf | You mean like forcing the CPU to 500MHz while charging? |
| 10:41.14 | RST38h | Mohammad's hildon-desktop is still highly recommended on top of PR1.3 |
| 10:41.36 | RST38h | derf: Is it bad? =) |
| 10:41.37 | lardman | RST38h: is there a feature list/screenie link for that |
| 10:41.38 | derf | Anyway, it's the problems I don't know about that I'd like to continue not to know about. |
| 10:41.44 | MohammadAG | derf, any custom kernel reverses that |
| 10:41.47 | derf | RST38h: I do benchmarking on this thing, so yes. |
| 10:41.49 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yes |
| 10:41.55 | derf | MohammadAG: See 05:40:06 < derf> Plus, upgrading is work. |
| 10:41.57 | lardman | perhaps I should ask MohammadAG himself |
| 10:42.43 | lardman | derf: but you're half way there with apt-get upgrade, now all you need to do it hit "y" |
| 10:42.48 | MohammadAG | lardman, it's based on the latest sources with scrolling deceleration set to 99 (lowest) |
| 10:42.49 | RST38h | derf: Oh |
| 10:43.04 | MohammadAG | so it should fix 1061e |
| 10:43.07 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 10:43.08 | RST38h | lardman: Not that I know of |
| 10:43.12 | MohammadAG | so it should fix bug 10613 |
| 10:43.13 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10613 screen glitches on incoming call |
| 10:43.21 | lardman | ah ok |
| 10:43.25 | MohammadAG | as well as the catorize triggered bug |
| 10:43.32 | derf | lardman: You must come from some imaginary land where these things actually work. |
| 10:43.49 | MohammadAG | i should announce the SSU in its current form, seeing as no one's helping fix the problems it has :P |
| 10:43.50 | lardman | Mine actually works fine, touch wood |
| 10:43.56 | derf | This is one of the reasons I stopped using Debian. |
| 10:44.14 | lardman | MohammadAG: with a kernel update to fix the 500Mhz issue? |
| 10:44.31 | derf | Because I _never_ had a single update that touched 100 or more packages actually work. |
| 10:44.34 | MohammadAG | lardman, kernel-power has it reversed |
| 10:44.50 | lardman | does that work with uboot & meego? |
| 10:44.50 | MohammadAG | well, latest one |
| 10:44.54 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 10:44.59 | MohammadAG | and hostmode |
| 10:46.51 | lardman | derf: so the fall back is to grab the sources and build in your PR1.2 scratchbox |
| 10:48.52 | lardman | hmm, that conflicts with uboot apparently |
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| 10:53.54 | lardman | hmm, Packages file is nearly 14Mb in size |
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| 10:54.50 | MohammadAG | lardman, what conflicts? |
| 10:55.15 | lardman | the kernel |
| 10:55.30 | lardman | at least the one I can see in HAM, just trying apt |
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| 10:56.10 | MohammadAG | lardman, kernel-power has uboot in it, you don't need uboot-pr13 or whatever it's called |
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| 10:57.41 | lardman | so i need to remove uboot first? |
| 10:57.58 | alterego | tests his new TelemetryModel class ... |
| 10:58.20 | MohammadAG | it'll overwrite /dev/mtd3 anyways |
| 10:58.48 | MohammadAG | so yes, remove it |
| 10:58.59 | alterego | "pure virtual method called" interesting .. |
| 10:59.27 | lardman | hmm, slightly worrying I just went and installed kernel-power and it removed uboot for me |
| 10:59.38 | alterego | That's good actually. |
| 10:59.39 | iDont | lardman: latest kernel-power doesn't include uboot anymore |
| 10:59.41 | alterego | ;) |
| 10:59.41 | lardman | before installing itself |
| 10:59.56 | lardman | iDont: oh, so do I need to reinstall the flasher app? |
| 11:00.07 | derf | lardman: bash: qmake: command not found |
| 11:00.14 | derf | Maybe I won't do that, either. |
| 11:00.20 | iDont | lardma: install versin maemo45 ;) maemo46 had only 2 changed: the remoal of uboot and a bluetooth mouse fix |
| 11:00.23 | lardman | apt-get install qt-dev |
| 11:00.24 | alterego | It shouldn't remove flasher |
| 11:00.25 | iDont | *lardman |
| 11:00.39 | derf | E: Couldn't find package qt-dev |
| 11:00.45 | MohammadAG | iDont, why did he remove uboot? |
| 11:00.47 | lardman | qt4 perhaps then |
| 11:00.48 | iDont | wow, i've never typed that much spelling errors in one sentence |
| 11:00.55 | MohammadAG | libqt4-dev derf |
| 11:01.06 | iDont | MohammadAG: the changlog says too many people had problems with it |
| 11:01.22 | MohammadAG | and the BT fix is? |
| 11:01.23 | derf | E: Couldn't find package libqt4-dev |
| 11:01.24 | alterego | MohammadAG: probably because the boot system isn't very user friendly. |
| 11:01.41 | iDont | Here's the changelog: https://garage.maemo.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6570 |
| 11:01.51 | MohammadAG | derf, where are you doing that? |
| 11:02.47 | derf | Oh, hey, I forgot I switched to the Chinook target. |
| 11:03.08 | lardman | derf https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt/debian/control?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup |
| 11:03.15 | lardman | list of build depends |
| 11:03.41 | MohammadAG | apt-get build-dep handles that :P |
| 11:03.46 | lardman | MohammadAG: what's the name of the hildon-desktop update? |
| 11:04.02 | lardman | MohammadAG: ah, yet another apt command I don;t know about |
| 11:04.57 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb |
| 11:05.10 | MohammadAG | i don't have a (public) repo to manage updates yet |
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| 11:05.42 | derf | Well, the stuff I was waiting to download finished downloading, so I'm out of time anyway. |
| 11:05.44 | alterego | Yay, my model works perfectly .. |
| 11:07.18 | alterego | Now for the view delegate crap. |
| 11:07.21 | Lantizia | is navifirm a load of bull? I seem to be able to download the latest UK vodaphone specific PR 1.3 from it - when elsewhere i'm being told it's not released |
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| 11:07.45 | lardman | strange, I removed uboot by re-installing kernel-flasher, installed latest power-kernel which I've just been told doens't have uboot, and I get uboot at start again |
| 11:08.33 | MohammadAG | uname -fr |
| 11:08.35 | MohammadAG | uname -r* |
| 11:10.28 | lardman | -a? |
| 11:10.40 | lardman | 2.6.28-omap1 |
| 11:10.48 | lardman | Fri Aug 6 2010 |
| 11:11.30 | MohammadAG | that's stock 1.3 |
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| 11:12.53 | chem|st | Lantizia: why are you bothering about UK releases anyway? |
| 11:13.14 | Lantizia | because it has not been defined anywhere what you loose by using global |
| 11:13.39 | chem|st | Lantizia: nothing |
| 11:13.49 | Lantizia | well I know that's not true |
| 11:13.53 | lardman | probably some space from extra lang packs |
| 11:14.07 | MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install kernel-power=2.6.28-maemo45 kernel-power-modules=2.6.28-maemo45 kernel-power-flasher=2.6.28-maemo45 lardman |
| 11:14.10 | chem|st | Lantizia: then share your knowledge |
| 11:14.33 | chem|st | all people would flash UK version if it gave any extras |
| 11:14.34 | Lantizia | chem|st, I've seen at least one additional phone functionality mentioned on a bug tracker - which leads me to think there might be others |
| 11:14.41 | Lantizia | but without any official word - I just don't know |
| 11:14.45 | lardman | what's that fn? |
| 11:14.49 | chem|st | Lantizia: and that feature is? |
| 11:14.56 | lardman | MohammadAG: just going to try to get rid of uboot first |
| 11:16.04 | Lantizia | something to do with ALS/Line-2 support |
| 11:16.11 | chem|st | afaik the fmtx is reduced and the vodafone version is branded but else? |
| 11:16.28 | Lantizia | read this post if interested... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6878#c25 |
| 11:16.29 | povbot | Bug 6878: UK Country variant of firmware not available for download |
| 11:16.38 | Lantizia | no point in interrogating me |
| 11:17.21 | Lantizia | this navifirm thing seems to download firmware files direct from nokia.com not found on tablets-dev.nokia.com |
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| 11:17.53 | Lantizia | and alterego has pointed out "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" is on some internal server he/she can see |
| 11:18.11 | MohammadAG | andre41* |
| 11:18.28 | Lantizia | ah yeah! sorry alterego ! |
| 11:18.44 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, navifirm downloads crap from Nokia Software Updater's server |
| 11:18.55 | Lantizia | MohammadAG, it's crap becaaaause... |
| 11:18.59 | ieatlint | what's with tonight's theme of "i'm afraid of 1.3"? |
| 11:19.00 | chem|st | Lantizia: lol, electronics warranty is EU law and I dont know if just the UK again brake that but replacing a firmware does not void warranty |
| 11:19.23 | Lantizia | chem|st, I'm not worried about that - it's not my comment |
| 11:19.23 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, i just call shit crap, it's how I roll, you dig? |
| 11:19.24 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 11:19.31 | chem|st | just saying |
| 11:19.45 | Lantizia | MohammadAG, I don't dig... I don't follow |
| 11:20.06 | Lantizia | I just want the bloody firmware files that would give me what my phone would have if I went in a shop and bought it today |
| 11:20.07 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 11:20.11 | Lantizia | i.e. UK emmc and UK PR 1.3 |
| 11:20.16 | Lantizia | it's not that much to bloody ask |
| 11:20.24 | MohammadAG | chill... |
| 11:20.46 | ieatlint | i wouldn't count on a phone you bought today even having pr1.2, let alone 1.3 |
| 11:21.00 | MohammadAG | would flash global |
| 11:21.07 | chem|st | Lantizia: yes we do not obey gravity |
| 11:21.08 | MohammadAG | UK users always get stuff last anyways |
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| 11:22.43 | Lantizia | MohammadAG, that gets boring - quickly |
| 11:23.11 | MohammadAG | then flash global |
| 11:23.22 | ieatlint | but the brits are known for how well they patiently wait |
| 11:23.35 | chem|st | Lantizia: he is talking about limited support of line-2 features |
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| 11:25.15 | chem|st | Lantizia: if he is talking about 2 phonenumbers on a sim-card right but I doubt it |
| 11:26.43 | lardman | Lantizia: I live in the UK, use Vodafone and use the Global firmware |
| 11:27.20 | lardman | if you use the features you think are missing then yes wait, but if you don't you could always flash that firmware when it's eventually released if you need the features |
| 11:28.31 | chem|st | lardman: wouldn't many people moan about missing features? |
| 11:29.22 | lardman | quite |
| 11:30.24 | chem|st | lardman: I'd say all who know about |
| 11:30.55 | chem|st | lardman: then all who do recognize the moan would start about why it is not implemented in global and so on |
| 11:32.13 | lardman | well there might be some not-often-used feature missing, that's all I was trying to get across to Lantizia |
| 11:32.26 | lardman | if you're not going to miss it, don't worry |
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| 11:33.59 | pupnik_ | heheh "you'll never see a lecturer yawn" |
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| 11:35.07 | lardman | bbiab, need to boot Windows |
| 11:36.33 | chem|st | does anyone know about ALS in UK fw? |
| 11:38.26 | SpeedEvil | The form of motor-neurone disease? |
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| 11:40.37 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, no, the camera firmware |
| 11:40.44 | crashanddie_ | ALS == "Active Light Sampling" |
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| 11:42.29 | Lantizia | chem|st, my point (and the commenters point) is it is hard to know what features of missing if it's not defined anywhere |
| 11:43.22 | Lantizia | that is an example of something added, who knows what else there is changed specific to UK need |
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| 11:44.38 | Lantizia | I'd rather see ONE firmware for everyone personally! and the start up wizard offers you the chance to delete any stuff you don't need after setup |
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| 11:45.11 | MohammadAG | Global... |
| 11:45.18 | MohammadAG | (aka MR0) |
| 11:45.30 | Lantizia | umm global is not the only one |
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| 11:46.17 | lardman | re |
| 11:46.48 | lardman | MohammadAG: when flashing kernel-power, do I need to explicitly flash the modules and flasher too? |
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| 11:47.08 | MohammadAG | you only flash the kernel |
| 11:47.12 | MohammadAG | modules are installed |
| 11:47.17 | MohammadAG | flasher flashes the kernel |
| 11:47.52 | lardman | I just saw a strangely named flasher in the repo |
| 11:48.22 | lardman | kernel-power-flasher |
| 11:48.31 | MohammadAG | install it |
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| 11:49.08 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: What is ALS? |
| 11:49.17 | SpeedEvil | You're aware of fcamera? |
| 11:52.31 | lardman | MohammadAG: thanks, all sorted now, (and booted too thankfully ;)) |
| 11:53.21 | lardman | anyone know how I get xsnow as my live wallpaper? |
| 11:53.31 | lardman | is going all out of frivolity today |
| 11:53.44 | SpeedEvil | IIRC you just install it |
| 11:53.48 | crashanddie_ | lardman, please don't tell me you're taking your n900 with you to india |
| 11:53.54 | lardman | ah, and select Unknown as the type |
| 11:54.01 | lardman | crashanddie_: yes, why? |
| 11:54.05 | crashanddie_ | hmm |
| 11:54.23 | crashanddie_ | have you taken a solar charger with you? |
| 11:54.43 | crashanddie_ | which area of india are you going to, btw? |
| 11:54.45 | phellarv | \o/ |
| 11:54.46 | lardman | no, but the hotel has electricity |
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| 11:54.55 | lardman | Delhi |
| 11:54.57 | crashanddie_ | wait, there's electricity in India these adys? |
| 11:54.57 | Surfa | lardman, if you're lucky |
| 11:55.03 | crashanddie_ | Damn, the British really gave 'em too much. |
| 11:55.05 | phellarv | Bring a hamster and a dynamo. |
| 11:55.11 | Dassu | I have been to india |
| 11:55.14 | lardman | Surfa: I've been there before, I know it does ;) |
| 11:55.19 | Dassu | goa I was visiting |
| 11:55.29 | Surfa | lardman, sometimes probably :) |
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| 11:55.46 | crashanddie_ | lardman, my gf grew up near Pondicherry |
| 11:55.53 | Surfa | it's not too long ago that in bangalore there were hour or two power shortages in the middle of the day |
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| 11:57.00 | Lantizia | andre41, can you put the UK emmc you found somewhere? since it's just maps that are free and some sample music/videos there no issue is there? |
| 11:57.03 | lardman | Let's hope not, will make ppt quite hard to use |
| 11:57.21 | crashanddie_ | lardman, didn't lcuk make a slideshow app for the n900 |
| 11:57.25 | crashanddie_ | just plug it in the monitor! |
| 11:57.31 | Lantizia | "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.UK-IRELAND_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" |
| 11:57.34 | MohammadAG | Lantizia, sadly, it doesn't work that way |
| 11:58.10 | Lantizia | the annoying thing is to know it exists, and it's name - but not able to get a copy |
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| 11:58.20 | lcuk | crashanddie_, I did, but it was not ppt compatible |
| 11:58.46 | MohammadAG | yay lcuk's back :D |
| 11:58.52 | crashanddie_ | oh but wait, if there's no power, monitor won't work |
| 11:59.00 | crashanddie_ | ... |
| 11:59.45 | lcuk | hey MohammadAG \o |
| 12:00.05 | MohammadAG | how was the conf? :) |
| 12:01.37 | lardman | argh, where is my passport, I really need to go to work |
| 12:02.02 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: alternate line service |
| 12:04.07 | lcuk | MohammadAG, meego conf was awesome |
| 12:04.23 | MohammadAG | rub it in my face :P |
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| 12:06.10 | crashanddie_ | maybe I should put in the topic? |
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| 12:13.55 | andre41 | Lantizia: I did not "found it somewhere". I said that it is on the Nokia-internal server. And no, I cannot put it somewhere |
| 12:15.04 | Lantizia | how helpful :S |
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| 12:19.58 | aep | any idea how to select text in microb or firefox? |
| 12:20.20 | crashanddie_ | aep, use the selection cursor? |
| 12:20.27 | aep | whats that? |
| 12:20.38 | crashanddie_ | aep, swipe finger from outside bottom left of screen into the screen |
| 12:20.52 | aep | aah thanks |
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| 12:29.28 | jacekowski | what value of bsi resistor i would need for bl-5c? |
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| 12:34.41 | alterego | What license are the hildon/maemo icons under? |
| 12:35.35 | alterego | is wondering if it's okay to use theme icons in commercial software .. |
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| 12:57.07 | RST38h | Moo? |
| 12:57.30 | alterego | MOOO |
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| 13:12.43 | RST38h | alterego: what's new and exciting? |
| 13:12.48 | Lantizia | what is so combined about the firmware labelled combined? |
| 13:13.28 | RST38h | all localizations? |
| 13:13.40 | alterego | RST38h: I'm broke and I need money now? :'( |
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| 13:14.14 | RST38h | alterego: Hint: Ovi Store is not going to solve that =) |
| 13:14.35 | alterego | Hah |
| 13:14.38 | Lantizia | RST38h, a guess? |
| 13:14.41 | GAN900 | alterego, the default UI stuff? |
| 13:14.52 | GAN900 | alterego, are you shipping the icons in your package? |
| 13:15.00 | alterego | GAN900: well, I use fromTheme function in 1t |
| 13:15.07 | alterego | Qt .. |
| 13:15.16 | alterego | No, not distributing |
| 13:15.22 | GAN900 | alterego, then it's fine. |
| 13:15.57 | alterego | GAN900: cool, I'm going to have to make sure I think there's no themers' eula .. |
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| 13:16.34 | alterego | But like you said, it's not like I'm distributing, I'd be interested to know how this sort of thing works on the desktop. |
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| 13:24.51 | crashanddie_ | GAN900, got my PM? |
| 13:25.49 | nico_ | Hi guys, is anyone using the internal temperature sensor? (cat /sys/devices/platform/omap34xx_temp/temp1_input) I have the feeling that it's hawfully wrong... |
| 13:26.45 | alterego | nico_: why? |
| 13:26.59 | alterego | It's near the battery btw (i think) |
| 13:27.02 | SpeedEvil | nico_: it's not. |
| 13:27.08 | nico_ | well, it's 26degree here |
| 13:27.09 | SpeedEvil | alterego: it's not |
| 13:27.16 | nico_ | and it's reading ""15 |
| 13:27.21 | SpeedEvil | nico_: the temperature sensor is officially deprecated |
| 13:27.29 | alterego | Oh heh |
| 13:27.29 | nico_ | ... |
| 13:27.35 | SpeedEvil | nico_: that is - it's supposed not to be used on the revision of the chip we're using. |
| 13:27.44 | SpeedEvil | And hence can give any answer. |
| 13:27.44 | nico_ | depecated ? |
| 13:27.51 | SpeedEvil | Buggered. |
| 13:27.52 | nico_ | ok... |
| 13:27.56 | BCMM | i can't make any sound come out of my n900 |
| 13:27.59 | BCMM | any idea why? |
| 13:28.00 | nico_ | thanks TI :-) |
| 13:28.06 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Hit it with a drum. |
| 13:28.19 | BCMM | media player fails with "format not supported", even for regular mp3s it used to play |
| 13:28.31 | nico_ | Thanks SpeedEvil |
| 13:28.34 | BCMM | mplayer spits some errors and then falls back to ao null |
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| 13:28.49 | BCMM | volume buttons do not cause the usual OSD to display |
| 13:29.07 | BCMM | and i can't make phone calls |
| 13:29.12 | BCMM | anyone else experienced this? |
| 13:29.26 | BCMM | (i have tried taking battery out) |
| 13:29.36 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 13:29.36 | infobot | it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 13:29.47 | BCMM | yeah, i guess |
| 13:29.53 | BCMM | but if there was a less dramatic fix, it would be nice |
| 13:29.56 | SpeedEvil | I'd guess pulseaudio is buggered somehow |
| 13:30.03 | BCMM | also, i just looked properly at the mplayer output |
| 13:30.17 | BCMM | "socket(): Address family not supported by protocol" |
| 13:30.22 | BCMM | w. t. f. |
| 13:30.37 | BCMM | i think that's mplayer failing to communicate with pulse |
| 13:30.41 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 13:30.43 | SpeedEvil | prolly |
| 13:30.50 | BCMM | but |
| 13:30.52 | imc | is tuning a debian on his Archos5... i heard that there is an linux/arm flash version for maemo.. is this true? |
| 13:30.53 | BCMM | in a rather worrying way |
| 13:32.17 | SpeedEvil | imc: maemo is a smartphone OS from nokia that includes large slices of binaries in key places to make the OS work. |
| 13:32.30 | SpeedEvil | er |
| 13:32.43 | SpeedEvil | sorry - I should actually read questions. |
| 13:32.44 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:32.54 | BCMM | speedevil is a bot? |
| 13:33.01 | imc | okay so i should put my hands on a nokia smartphone to make it spit the binary :P |
| 13:33.28 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: Often I feel really shit, and incapable of much. |
| 13:33.40 | nico_ | SpeedEvil: sorry to come back with that temp sensor thing, do you have a link to that assesment ? |
| 13:33.46 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: in this state, I can often still regurgitate stuff that I've heard, and be somewhat useful. |
| 13:33.57 | alterego | bbl |
| 13:34.07 | SpeedEvil | nico_: It is in the TI developer forums. |
| 13:34.24 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 13:34.24 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: ok, you pass the turing test now. sorry :) |
| 13:34.33 | BCMM | there we go, phone working now |
| 13:34.39 | nico_ | SpeedEvil: ok thanks I'll go check that |
| 13:34.46 | BCMM | why does taking the sim card out sometimes fix things that just taking the battery out doesn't? |
| 13:35.02 | SpeedEvil | nico_: hangon |
| 13:35.06 | BCMM | or does it work just by making sure i take the battery out for long enough? |
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| 13:35.34 | imc | maybe because by taking out the sim you take longer :P |
| 13:35.55 | SpeedEvil | nico_: no - can't find it |
| 13:36.11 | nico_ | SpeedEvil: no pb |
| 13:36.25 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_CPU#Summary |
| 13:36.32 | SpeedEvil | also - note that it's not in the datasheetr |
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| 13:38.33 | nico_ | SpeedEvil: not directly, but "based on device activity, modes of operation and temperature"... it implies that you can read it... otherwise no control is possible |
| 13:38.46 | SpeedEvil | err - what? |
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| 13:39.26 | SpeedEvil | the output is somewhat random |
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| 13:39.35 | SpeedEvil | sometimes it seems to work |
| 13:40.02 | SpeedEvil | Ah - right |
| 13:40.12 | SpeedEvil | that was a cut and paste largely from the TI spec-sheet |
| 13:40.19 | nico_ | yes |
| 13:42.25 | SpeedEvil | http://e2e.ti.com/support/power_management/pmu/f/43/p/51967/220255.aspx#220255 |
| 13:42.30 | SpeedEvil | I think was what I referred to |
| 13:42.34 | crashanddie_ | I went in town for a quick spot of lunch |
| 13:43.29 | crashanddie_ | This guy was screaming "The sun will die in 5 billion years, we have to stop using sunlight! Think of our children!!! Close your curtains, wear sunglasses, all the energy we spare the sun will buy them seconds, if not minutes!" |
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| 13:44.12 | SpeedEvil | nico_: It's certainly rather bogus. |
| 13:44.17 | SpeedEvil | nico_: In here it's 7C |
| 13:44.20 | SpeedEvil | oh - 8 |
| 13:44.23 | SpeedEvil | It's warmed up |
| 13:44.29 | SpeedEvil | It's reading 21c |
| 13:44.58 | nico_ | SpeedEvil: so it's really 8 and reading 21 ? |
| 13:45.02 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:45.22 | crashanddie_ | mine reads 12, and I'm in the office |
| 13:45.31 | nico_ | that's the opposit error of mine.. |
| 13:45.55 | nico_ | crashanddie_: that looks more in line with what I have |
| 13:46.07 | SpeedEvil | Also - last I checked, it did not increase when doing md5sum /dev/zero |
| 13:46.22 | nico_ | there is a conversion table in the kernel driver |
| 13:46.30 | nico_ | that looks weird too |
| 13:46.35 | nico_ | Pfff.... |
| 13:46.46 | SpeedEvil | I wonder if it's someone measuring it and interpolating |
| 13:46.54 | SpeedEvil | as it sometimes outputs random numbers |
| 13:47.05 | nico_ | and there's the "raw" value as well |
| 13:47.20 | SpeedEvil | afk |
| 13:47.48 | nico_ | thanks guys |
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| 13:56.46 | lardman | cu later chaps |
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| 14:05.43 | ebzzry | How can I debug my wlan connectivity when it says "Network connection error. Try again?"? Are there logs or console messages I can check? |
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| 14:13.05 | BCMM | dmesg? |
| 14:13.50 | pablo2 | Hi, where i find rootstrap for armel for download? |
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| 14:14.46 | ebzzry | BCMM: How can I miss that. I'm reading the messages now. |
| 14:15.29 | BCMM | heh, well that's the advantage of #maemo - nobody knows if you're a linux user, so they'll still suggest stuff like that :) |
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| 14:17.14 | chx | pablo2: i am not sure but is http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian any help? |
| 14:17.15 | ebzzry | BCMM: I haven't a need to look at it that much, on the N900. I was thinking something along /var/log/messages |
| 14:17.21 | BCMM | BCMM_: sup |
| 14:17.47 | BCMM | ebzzry: most of /var/log doesn't exist |
| 14:17.52 | BCMM | which is fair enough really |
| 14:18.20 | BCMM | i shouldn't talk to my own phone on irc |
| 14:18.32 | ebzzry | BCMM: When I found out that /etc/fstab is not used, I wasn't surprised. |
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| 14:18.44 | BCMM | isn't fstab regenerated on reboot or something? |
| 14:19.06 | BCMM | tbh, doing something other than fstab isn't that odd |
| 14:19.35 | BCMM | presumably, in usual operation, it's read by any one of several init script depending on distro? |
| 14:21.36 | ebzzry | Hmm. Anyway, I'd like to hear from the experts what does it mean when it says: "wlan0: authentication with AP a2:c7:..." "wlan0: direct probe to AP: 00:1e:... try 1" (to try 3, then "timed out") |
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| 14:26.33 | dreamer | hmmm, the camera app on my n900 keeps crashing immediately after start |
| 14:26.44 | dreamer | any way to debug this? |
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| 14:28.34 | ebzzry | Anyway, it's fixed now. There's nothing quite like starting from zero. |
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| 14:29.32 | BCMM_ | dreamer: reboot worked when i had that |
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| 14:30.51 | dreamer | BCMM_: hmmm, will try that then, brb ;) |
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| 14:34.38 | dreamer | BCMM_: nope, still crashes -> operation failed |
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| 14:42.13 | Gustavoferreira | hi everyone, i want to connect to an access point on my university, that requires a certification, but when a prompt it on the connection settings, nothing appears. although in my certification manager on settings of n900 they appear all there. How can i select on of them? Thanks in advanced. |
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| 14:46.45 | Gustavoferreira | this is the certificate i have to use in order to connect to my university access point: GTE CyberTrust Global Root. if someone could help me with this, it would be great. |
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| 14:46.58 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: in certificates manager you have to set it for use with server and/or wifi in internet connextions the user-cert is left empty |
| 14:47.26 | Gustavoferreira | how can i do that? |
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| 14:48.05 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: tap the cert in the cert manager and tap select purpose |
| 14:48.27 | Gustavoferreira | on certification manager the only thing i can do is see those certificates or add one. |
| 14:48.38 | chem|st | tap on it! |
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| 14:48.51 | chem|st | it opens details and there is another button |
| 14:50.14 | Gustavoferreira | it hasn't any button :s |
| 14:50.45 | chem|st | you are in settings->certificate manager on n900? |
| 14:51.51 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 14:52.44 | chem|st | scroll to the certificate you want to use and tap it once -> a certificate details screen should pop up |
| 14:54.05 | Gustavoferreira | ftp://ftp.ua.pt/incoming/gustavoferreira/screenshot01.png |
| 14:54.06 | Gustavoferreira | see what i get |
| 14:54.21 | Gustavoferreira | no button unfortunatly :s |
| 14:54.37 | chem|st | if there is no button it is not a user installed certificate and is in use anyway |
| 14:55.22 | chem|st | nothing to do there |
| 14:55.55 | chem|st | what is the setup? WPA2 EAP-TTLS? |
| 14:56.04 | Gustavoferreira | exacly :s but i need this certificate in order to connect to my university access point :x |
| 14:56.10 | Gustavoferreira | PEAP |
| 14:56.10 | chem|st | with mschap |
| 14:56.17 | Gustavoferreira | let me see |
| 14:56.28 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: the cert is pre installed! |
| 14:57.29 | Corsac | Gustavoferreira: it looks like you're missing *your* certificate? |
| 14:57.40 | Gustavoferreira | mschapV2 |
| 14:57.51 | Gustavoferreira | so, what should i do? |
| 14:57.59 | Corsac | import your certificate on the n900? |
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| 14:58.17 | Corsac | (just put in on the disk somewhere, and double tap on it from the file manager should work) |
| 14:58.23 | chem|st | Corsac: there is no user certificate if mschap is used normaly |
| 14:58.26 | Gustavoferreira | so this certificate isn't on my n900 right now? |
| 14:58.28 | Corsac | oh |
| 14:59.11 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: you got a link to the university IT website? |
| 14:59.11 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
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| 14:59.21 | chem|st | pls share |
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| 15:00.14 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: waht is your connection setup like? |
| 15:00.23 | Gustavoferreira | ok, 1min |
| 15:00.49 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: your username has to include the domain name like youruser@yourdomain.uni |
| 15:02.41 | Gustavoferreira | i know, i did that |
| 15:02.41 | Gustavoferreira | http://ua.pt/cic |
| 15:02.52 | Gustavoferreira | it is in portuguese, maybe google translate it to you? |
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| 15:05.12 | Gustavoferreira | http://translate.google.pt/translate?u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ua.pt%2Fcic&sl=pt&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 |
| 15:05.22 | Gustavoferreira | here it is |
| 15:05.31 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: I know my way around |
| 15:05.37 | chem|st | http://www.ua.pt/stic/PageText.aspx?id=11655 |
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| 15:06.32 | Gustavoferreira | they dont give us the certificate, because it seems it is global? like everyone can use it? in ubuntu i just have to go to the certificate folder iand choose it |
| 15:06.55 | chem|st | the manual setup shows what you need to do |
| 15:07.15 | chem|st | on maemo it is used automatically |
| 15:08.04 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: you setup your connection with SSID eduroam/e-U |
| 15:08.17 | Gustavoferreira | yes, i used it on ubuntu successfully. but on maemo i fail to get the cerrtificate. |
| 15:08.17 | chem|st | network is not hidden |
| 15:08.24 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 15:08.48 | chem|st | networkmode infrastructure security WPA with EAP |
| 15:08.54 | chem|st | EAP type |
| 15:08.54 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 15:09.00 | chem|st | PEAP |
| 15:09.09 | Gustavoferreira | yes, i already made that too |
| 15:09.25 | chem|st | select cert: none EAP method: EAP MSCHAPv2 |
| 15:09.33 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 15:09.49 | chem|st | user Gustavoferreira@ua.pt |
| 15:09.56 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 15:10.23 | chem|st | advanced settings? |
| 15:10.30 | Gustavoferreira | yes |
| 15:10.46 | chem|st | anonymous@ua.pt? |
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| 15:11.26 | chem|st | that is the usual setup for eduroam... what is the msg while connection fails? |
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| 15:11.56 | Gustavoferreira | let me see |
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| 15:15.29 | Gustavoferreira | "internet connection failed. it wasn't possible to obtain IP address from the server. Try again?" |
| 15:16.06 | chem|st | that does not sound like an authentication problem |
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| 15:17.15 | Gustavoferreira | i once got access to internet from my n900, with this configs, but after a week or so, it just stoped working with this error. |
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| 15:17.49 | Gustavoferreira | but i have never ever choosed a certificate. |
| 15:18.27 | chem|st | you do not need to choose one |
| 15:19.01 | Gustavoferreira | ok, so what do you thing i can do to solve this problem? |
| 15:19.03 | chem|st | the installed certificates are used by default, for user installed you have to set for what to use |
| 15:19.23 | chem|st | what does wpa_cli tell while trying to connect? |
| 15:19.31 | chem|st | as root |
| 15:20.01 | Gustavoferreira | wpa_cli is a program on shell? |
| 15:20.16 | chem|st | it is the wpa_supplicant CLI yes |
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| 15:20.29 | Gustavoferreira | i don't have that installed |
| 15:20.35 | Gustavoferreira | after a sudo gainroot |
| 15:20.39 | chem|st | yes |
| 15:20.49 | Gustavoferreira | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:21.07 | Gustavoferreira | and it said that it wan't found. |
| 15:21.13 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: I do not either... this damn strapped system |
| 15:21.47 | Gustavoferreira | xD so i haven't no way to debug this connection? |
| 15:21.54 | chem|st | what does dmesg|grep wlan0 return? |
| 15:22.02 | Gustavoferreira | let me see |
| 15:23.04 | Gustavoferreira | can i paste it here without being considered spam?? |
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| 15:23.20 | chem|st | Gustavoferreira: use pastebin.org |
| 15:23.30 | chem|st | or query me |
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| 15:23.48 | chem|st | ~paste |
| 15:23.48 | infobot | well, paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 15:24.50 | Gustavoferreira | by query you mean PM? |
| 15:25.04 | chem|st | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:25.09 | Gustavoferreira | i don't know how to use that service :s |
| 15:25.11 | chem|st | yes |
| 15:25.14 | Gustavoferreira | ok |
| 15:25.35 | chem|st | by service you mean pastebin or irc? |
| 15:27.37 | Gustavoferreira | pastebin |
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| 16:04.49 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 16:20.18 | crashanddie_ | me just made an elevator-music with "Please hold, your call is important to us" soundfile |
| 16:20.31 | crashanddie_ | Yes, I admit. I'm such a corporate whore. |
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| 16:25.55 | mtnbkr | crashanddie_: can I have a copy for my Asterisk server? :) |
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| 16:26.18 | HateBreeder | hi |
| 16:26.33 | crashanddie_ | mtnbkr, well, it's just for internal usage, so I quickly used a soundfile from YouTube |
| 16:26.37 | crashanddie_ | no idea if it's copyrighted or not |
| 16:27.19 | HateBreeder | i didnt get to work nitdroid yesterday and now im trying to overclock n900, as usually i have problems and i need help:) |
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| 16:54.15 | pupnik_ | http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/11/coica-web-censorship-bill/ [ Web Censorship Bill Sails Through Senate Committee | Epicenter-| Wired.com ] |
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| 17:03.38 | sougata | Hi I am trying to install iperf in Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1, apt-get does not find any package and when I try to install it manually I see that that libgcc1 and libstd++6 libraries are below the requirement, can anyone please provide me some help, or something that I must try |
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| 17:07.00 | NooBmonk3y | waves, evening alls! |
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| 17:10.41 | pupnik | hi NooBmonk3y |
| 17:11.13 | NooBmonk3y | hey pup! |
| 17:11.27 | NooBmonk3y | having a good friday? :) |
| 17:11.32 | HateBreeder | could anyone help me with overclocking n900? |
| 17:11.52 | sougata | Hi can anyone please help in 'iperf' installation in my n800 tablet |
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| 17:13.11 | NooBmonk3y | HateBreeder, whats wrong? |
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| 17:14.58 | HateBreeder | noobmonk3y, can u help in private? |
| 17:15.04 | NooBmonk3y | msg me, can try! |
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| 17:15.14 | jophish | hi |
| 17:15.20 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: do you know what happens to phones after overclocking? |
| 17:15.24 | jophish | In which package is tcl.h |
| 17:15.31 | jacekowski | jophish: tcl |
| 17:15.50 | jophish | hmm. I will try again |
| 17:15.59 | HateBreeder | jacekowski, what you mean? |
| 17:16.08 | jacekowski | jophish: |
| 17:16.09 | jacekowski | tk8.5-dev - Tk toolkit for Tcl and X11, v8.5 - development files |
| 17:16.09 | jacekowski | tcl8.5-dev - Tcl (the Tool Command Language) v8.5 - development files |
| 17:16.16 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: overclocking is bad |
| 17:16.26 | jophish | I don't think that it is in tcl8.5-dev |
| 17:16.29 | NooBmonk3y | jacekowski, so is bacon if you try to eat a whole pig in one go |
| 17:16.30 | jophish | I have that installed |
| 17:16.30 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: it eats battery faster |
| 17:16.33 | jophish | but I am trying tk |
| 17:16.57 | HateBreeder | i heard that it isnt eat soo much... |
| 17:17.06 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: and lifespan of main SoC gets reduced to about a month |
| 17:17.11 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: on just 700MHz |
| 17:17.32 | NooBmonk3y | jacekowski, your a bundle of joy tonight arn't ya ;) hehe |
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| 17:17.41 | NooBmonk3y | your'e, ffs i can't speak english |
| 17:18.11 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: and now as you know that |
| 17:18.16 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: do what you want to do |
| 17:18.26 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: just don't come back saying that your phone is not working anymore |
| 17:19.44 | jacekowski | HateBreeder: and there are docs published by TI ( manufacturer of SoC ) that back this |
| 17:20.14 | SpeedEvil | Quaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak. |
| 17:33.11 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:36.04 | jacekowski | pupnik: device itself is overpriced |
| 17:36.13 | jacekowski | pupnik: and pretty crap for what you have to pay for |
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| 17:37.53 | RST38h | Ok, installing maemo community ssu on top of PR1.3: do or don't? |
| 17:41.21 | pupnik | jacekowski: i couldn't build one for 299 euro |
| 17:41.30 | pupnik | but i'm seeing some of the problems in forums now |
| 17:41.35 | NooBmonk3y | RST38h, its like russian roulette baby |
| 17:41.54 | NooBmonk3y | jacekowski, * HateBreeder has quit (Remote host closed the connection) - hmmm, will he return? lols |
| 17:42.31 | pupnik | i suppose wifi is cute and all, but i wouldn't mind something with better range |
| 17:43.34 | jacekowski | pupnik: i looked at modeling shop prices |
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| 17:44.29 | jacekowski | pupnik: bits of carbon fiber are under £20 + motors £15x4 + some electronics £70 at most + battery pack ( good one ) £40 |
| 17:45.18 | Janne123 | hi again, u dude, i dont remember your nick, i spoke with u few minutes ago:) |
| 17:45.27 | sougata | can someone please help me in installing iperf into n800 tablet with OS2008 |
| 17:45.55 | pupnik | asking direct questions helps |
| 17:46.22 | sougata | Hi I am trying to install iperf in Linux Nokia-N800-51-3 2.6.21-omap1, apt-get does not find any package and when I try to install it manually I see that that libgcc1 and libstd++6 libraries are below the requirement, can anyone please provide me some help, or something that I must try |
| 17:46.27 | NooBmonk3y | ;) |
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| 17:50.13 | pupnik | sougata: can you find an older version of the package? it seems to be compiled for a newer version of your OS |
| 17:51.14 | pupnik | maybe you could alternately extract the package, download the required libraries to a local directory, and override the libraries with LD_PRELOAD |
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| 17:54.09 | sougata | pupnik, thank you |
| 17:54.28 | pupnik | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/i/ unfortunately no iperf here |
| 17:54.55 | sougata | pupnik, I was trying to install this http://maemo.org/packages/view/iperf/ |
| 17:55.25 | pupnik | that's for n900 |
| 17:55.51 | pupnik | would iptraf do the trick? http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/free/i/iptraf/ |
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| 17:56.29 | pupnik | i should use less idiomatic text |
| 17:57.03 | sougata | pupnik, I will read about it. I am not aware of it. |
| 17:57.35 | sougata | I need to measure tcp,udp bandwidth with my n800 tablet |
| 17:58.17 | sougata | Actually I was following this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=19616 |
| 17:58.20 | pupnik | General and detailed interface statistics showing IP, TCP, UDP, ICMP, non-IP and other IP packet counts, IP checksum errors, interface activity, packet size counts |
| 17:58.29 | pupnik | http://iptraf.seul.org/about.html |
| 17:59.00 | sougata | pupnik, thank you , it sounds good |
| 17:59.09 | sougata | I'll try to install it |
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| 18:01.46 | sougata | pupnik, installed . Thank you it was really helpful |
| 18:01.51 | sougata | :) |
| 18:02.41 | pupnik | :) glad to help |
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| 18:18.25 | roadi | i scanned my n900 in a CT :D |
| 18:18.53 | lcuk | roadi, pics or it didn't happen. |
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| 18:19.07 | lcuk | has seen x-ray |
| 18:20.04 | roadi | have such too .... okay, give me some minutes ... have to save it as jpeg. otherwise you wont see anything or you have an dicom viewer |
| 18:20.34 | jacekowski | http://www.break.com/usercontent/2010/11/17/touch-my-boobs-1954758 |
| 18:20.59 | lcuk | keyword trigger. |
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| 18:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: you know it has an upper limit for the radiation power (like maybe 40KV), above where you'll definitely ruin the device in no time, with X-Ray? |
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| 18:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | X-Ray of sufficient power will not only erase config flashroms of several chips (e.g CAL, LIS302, ALS, BT, WLAN, BB5) but also destroy electret microphones |
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| 18:41.39 | DocScrutinizer | hi lcuk |
| 18:42.35 | hatebreeder | hi docscrutinizer? |
| 18:42.38 | hatebreeder | oops |
| 18:43.01 | hatebreeder | why i wrote ? to end of text:) |
| 18:47.13 | kerio | hello hatebreeder? |
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| 18:48.29 | pupnik | Anybody ever try slovakian/ukranian/russian Korbáciky string cheese? http://www.farmatuska.sk/domain/farmatuska/files/1233593396p2020009.jpg |
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| 18:56.12 | jacekowski | pupnik: i did |
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| 18:59.20 | pupnik | jacekowski: is shipping food from .sk to .de problematic? |
| 18:59.39 | jacekowski | pupnik: i don't think so |
| 18:59.50 | jacekowski | it will just take couple days |
| 19:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 19:00.15 | jacekowski | http://www.webupd8.org/2010/11/alternative-to-200-lines-kernel-patch.html |
| 19:00.37 | DocScrutinizer | there's often some goods on nogo-lists |
| 19:00.41 | PrimeZ | Anyone knows which application I can download for the n900 that recognizes songs? :) |
| 19:01.24 | DocScrutinizer | generally shipping food is always problematic |
| 19:01.25 | jacekowski | well, 3 days in warm |
| 19:01.45 | ZogG | hey puppies |
| 19:02.04 | ZogG | pucnches RST38h in the face |
| 19:02.08 | ZogG | punches* |
| 19:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | tztztz, fightclub starts at 22:00 UTC |
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| 19:15.27 | pupnik | well .sk is in eu no?? |
| 19:16.34 | pupnik | if it's eu, it's ok |
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| 19:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | it will trigger both the C4 detectors and the biological hazard alarm :-P |
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| 21:32.02 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: fun |
| 21:32.14 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: do you know that serial port is powered all the time/ |
| 21:33.00 | GAN900 | jacekowski, only if you have the flag set. |
| 21:33.27 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:33.52 | jacekowski | all the time |
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| 21:34.56 | jacekowski | you can't use it if it's disabled |
| 21:35.01 | jacekowski | but power is still going to it |
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| 21:37.15 | jacekowski | that's why i mentioned it |
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| 21:44.02 | jacekowski | what was name of that software that modified rd-flags |
| 21:45.11 | dreamer | gah, camera keeps crashing -_- |
| 21:46.45 | DocScrutinizer | flasher? |
| 21:47.38 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:47.44 | jacekowski | there was one messing with cal |
| 21:47.47 | jacekowski | from phone directly |
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| 21:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: aiui the serial port shouldn't be enabled if not told so by bootline parameter. And what means "powered"? btw when device is off, I gather there's no way for any power on serial |
| 21:49.26 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | messing with cal from phone only for readout, at least regarding that tool |
| 21:49.47 | jacekowski | but as long as phone is running i can see 2.6V on serial port |
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| 21:50.05 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i had a tool to disable/enable r&d mode from phone |
| 21:50.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's the GPIO set to output |
| 21:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | doen't hurt really |
| 21:50.20 | jacekowski | and i'm pretty sure it came with a phone |
| 21:50.24 | jacekowski | and i didn't write it myself |
| 21:50.38 | DocScrutinizer | never seen it, except flasher |
| 21:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | and flasher seems doesn't work in local mode to do that |
| 21:51.21 | jacekowski | how do you enable and disable rd&mode on device |
| 21:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | with flasher on PC |
| 21:51.44 | jacekowski | how do you check if it's enabled? |
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| 21:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | bootmode? |
| 21:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | sth like that |
| 21:52.00 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:52.02 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 21:52.13 | DocScrutinizer | bootstate |
| 21:52.25 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 21:52.28 | jacekowski | it was my tool |
| 21:54.06 | pupnik | http://xkcd.com/138/ |
| 21:55.08 | dreamer | anyone know how to debug the camera-apps? |
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| 21:58.03 | inz | pupnik, bah, 32-bit pointers are so 00's |
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| 22:05.15 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's not bsi that bme is looking for before shuting down phone |
| 22:06.02 | cehteh | grr power46 gives reboot loop fsck |
| 22:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | anybody knows how to earn a fortune? |
| 22:07.34 | jacekowski | steal |
| 22:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | or debug cam apps :-P |
| 22:08.18 | jacekowski | ? |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-19 22:55:08] <dreamer> anyone know how to debug the camera-apps? |
| 22:09.15 | dreamer | :o |
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| 22:09.46 | dreamer | well no idea if it's the apps or the camera, but both the default app as well as bless900 crash immediately |
| 22:09.53 | alterego | Hrm, mayhbe using a Qt model was a bad idea. |
| 22:10.03 | alterego | Probaly the kernel |
| 22:10.14 | alterego | ~probably .. |
| 22:10.24 | alterego | Flash stock kernel |
| 22:10.28 | RST38h | One lardman. Two lardmans. |
| 22:11.50 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 22:11.50 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 22:46.47 | andax | o_O Root filesystem has 0kB available... :/ |
| 22:46.55 | trem | nite all, sweet dreams |
| 22:47.04 | andax | nite trem |
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| 23:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer: now that's a lil bit more like a question you can hope to receive an answer |
| 23:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer: check if your kernel's cam drivers are compatible. I.E. fcam's drivers known to not work with PR1.3 kernel for quite some time, until updated. I'd bet BlessN900 is even worse |
| 23:07.13 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yeah well, not sure what to do -_- |
| 23:07.24 | dreamer | the came worked fine with this kernel up until a week ago or something |
| 23:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | unistall BlessN900, then reinstall pr1.3 kernel&modules. that'S the abstract description of what to do |
| 23:08.35 | dreamer | k, I'll see what happens |
| 23:08.48 | dreamer | but both bless900 and the regular app worked just fine |
| 23:09.03 | Turski | have you been messing with things? |
| 23:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | well, then probably a bit stained |
| 23:09.15 | dreamer | not anything particularly :P |
| 23:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:09.35 | dreamer | but I'll do what you said DocScrutinizer, didn't really use bless900 anyway |
| 23:09.55 | dreamer | the hdr isn't even full res ;) |
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| 23:12.05 | pupnik | lardman_: definitely for you http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=av7geCKSGuc |
| 23:12.39 | pupnik | [ Ar.Drone autonomous navigation using image recognition ] |
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| 23:17.01 | lardman_ | pupnik: that does look cool :) |
| 23:18.07 | lardman_ | anyway night all |
| 23:18.28 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: how do I reinstall a kernel? (btw, using the enhanced kernel) |
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| 23:21.40 | BCMM | has anyone worked around the prohibition on using fmtx with an audio cable plugged in? |
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| 23:21.50 | crashanddie | I just convinced my mother, a musician who has her name on about 18 different CDs and a few DVDs, that the current copyright and royalty system is broken. |
| 23:22.11 | BCMM | i'm trying to transmit an externel audio source through the n900 |
| 23:22.20 | kerio | >implying the labels aren't the only ones making money so the artists already know that |
| 23:22.32 | test34 | crashanddie, now tell her to do something about it |
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| 23:22.49 | crashanddie | test34: don't think it's her fight |
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| 23:23.10 | crashanddie | kerio: that sentence didn't make sense to me |
| 23:23.15 | test34 | crashanddie, it's everybody's fight;) |
| 23:23.28 | jacekowski | BCMM: i did |
| 23:23.45 | crashanddie | test34: true, but she's a veteran, she's entitled to skip this one |
| 23:24.04 | test34 | is maemo going to get replaced? |
| 23:24.15 | crashanddie | hasn't it already? |
| 23:24.26 | WakiMiko | does anyone know what the ._ file in the mydocs folder is good for? |
| 23:24.39 | test34 | crashanddie, yeah I was just kidding.. |
| 23:24.40 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: not unless you tell what's in it |
| 23:24.50 | BCMM | jacekowski: how? |
| 23:25.05 | jacekowski | BCMM: jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD1.3 |
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| 23:25.22 | WakiMiko | crashanddie: its binary but i can see the string Mac OS X |
| 23:25.40 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: file ._ |
| 23:25.45 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: that's a command |
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| 23:26.08 | WakiMiko | apple double encoded macintosh file |
| 23:26.12 | test34 | thanks crashanddie .. meego I forgot |
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| 23:26.28 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: oh, it's an OSX file fork |
| 23:26.52 | andax | crashanddie: the RIAA lies, people prefered CDs after Vinyl because it has the advantage of digital data and even paid more for an album and now the RIAA complains exactly because of the same advantages |
| 23:27.15 | BCMM | also, how do you find out what's plugged into the AV socket, and can you override the detection? |
| 23:27.30 | crashanddie | andax: way to troll and not be constructive. You're asserting a bunch of things without really providing value or context. |
| 23:27.31 | WakiMiko | whats it do? |
| 23:27.42 | WakiMiko | contain icons when pluggin on a mac? |
| 23:27.49 | WakiMiko | plugged in* |
| 23:27.50 | andax | Why did we pay more then? the production costs are even lower for CDs |
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| 23:28.15 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: not really, if I understand it correctly, it's used to allow a file to be accessed by multiple processes at the same time |
| 23:28.27 | jacekowski | BCMM: dbus |
| 23:28.35 | jacekowski | BCMM: and i don't know |
| 23:28.42 | WakiMiko | im gonna get rid of it := |
| 23:28.43 | crashanddie | WakiMiko: if you're not using the mac anymore, you should be free to delete it -- also ensure that you always properly eject the n900 before ripping out the usb cord |
| 23:28.43 | jacekowski | BCMM: probably yes |
| 23:28.54 | jacekowski | BCMM: well, most likely yes |
| 23:28.54 | WakiMiko | alright, thanks |
| 23:29.01 | jacekowski | BCMM: but i never looked into it |
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| 23:29.43 | BCMM | see, i'm trying to plug the n900 into an electric guitar... |
| 23:29.59 | BCMM | and i'm not sure it will autodetect it properly |
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| 23:30.33 | BCMM | talking of dbus, i'm a kde user and used to qdbus. is qdbus packed for maemo? |
| 23:31.02 | jacekowski | no |
| 23:31.13 | BCMM | oh |
| 23:31.30 | jacekowski | BCMM: DocScrutinizer may know something about detection of what is plugged in |
| 23:32.23 | BCMM | jacekowski: is that a different fixed fmtx from the one i'm using already? |
| 23:32.27 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I just had a lengthy query with gan about DRM and TC. I said you're not one of the proponents - I'm right? |
| 23:32.46 | pupnik | there should be a gstreamer anti-shake video plugin |
| 23:32.52 | jacekowski | BCMM: i'm not sure what you are using already |
| 23:32.58 | BCMM | i think MohammadAG gave me the link. it fixes boost, but still doesn't work with headphones |
| 23:33.21 | BCMM | jacekowski: i need to log better... |
| 23:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: I don't see any 6.3mm receptacle on N900 :-D |
| 23:33.24 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: what part of "I managed to convince her the current copyright and royalty system is broken" puts you in doubt? |
| 23:33.37 | DocScrutinizer | none, actually |
| 23:33.58 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ah! but i have slightly nice headphones! |
| 23:33.58 | crashanddie | I'm fairly opposed to making people pay for digital copies of things |
| 23:34.17 | jacekowski | BCMM: that's not done in fmtxd |
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| 23:34.30 | BCMM | and all sliightly nice headphones seem to come with a needlessly gold-plated adaptor |
| 23:34.31 | crashanddie | heck, I'm working on getting my company to step selling our main product and rely on SAAS and PS revenue models |
| 23:34.31 | jacekowski | BCMM: it's PA messing with things |
| 23:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | I just was wondering once more how stskeeps and other meego zealots can support security framework and ignore what it *really* will get us |
| 23:34.47 | jacekowski | BCMM: gold plating is cheap |
| 23:34.51 | BCMM | jacekowski: what isn't? the power level thing? |
| 23:35.01 | BCMM | jacekowski: i know :) |
| 23:35.09 | jacekowski | BCMM: fmtxd ignores headphones |
| 23:35.14 | BCMM | also, audiophiles don't |
| 23:35.35 | jacekowski | BCMM: but pulseaudio still gets info |
| 23:35.48 | jacekowski | BCMM: and starts sending signal to headphones instead of fmtxd |
| 23:36.13 | BCMM | maplin typically charges the same for gold plated and steel versions of things |
| 23:36.23 | BCMM | jacekowski: i'm lost now. |
| 23:36.25 | jacekowski | because they overcharge |
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| 23:36.38 | jacekowski | it is cheaper to use steel stuff |
| 23:36.51 | jacekowski | but it's like 50p on cable that costs £3-4 |
| 23:36.57 | jacekowski | at most |
| 23:37.06 | BCMM | jacekowski: they do a bit, but it demonstrates that it's a small expense |
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| 23:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | meego + security framework == andoid milestone minus java |
| 23:37.46 | dreamer | which security framework? selinux? ;) |
| 23:37.48 | BCMM | jacekowski: i got a bit confused back there. the thing i'm using is a modified ko, not a modified daemon |
| 23:38.06 | jacekowski | BCMM: you need modified daemon |
| 23:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer: selinux would be awesome. No, TPM |
| 23:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | alias trusted computing |
| 23:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | aka the hoofed one |
| 23:38.38 | BCMM | ah, i don't log irc, but i do have bash_history |
| 23:38.40 | BCMM | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:38.44 | BCMM | is what i have |
| 23:38.54 | jacekowski | that's unlocked module |
| 23:38.56 | jacekowski | that's power stuff |
| 23:39.00 | BCMM | <3 wget |
| 23:39.05 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: pov.it is logging irc |
| 23:39.05 | gustavoferreira | ~paste |
| 23:39.05 | infobot | i heard paste is http://pastebin.org/ or http://bin.cakephp.org/ or http://pastebin.ca/ |
| 23:39.27 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: what is that? some kind of drm stuff? |
| 23:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | also infobot is logging irc |
| 23:39.35 | jacekowski | BCMM: you need http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/fmtxd1.3 |
| 23:39.42 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: oh so btw, how do I reinstall the enhanced kernel? ;) |
| 23:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Computing |
| 23:39.53 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yeah found it |
| 23:39.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trusted_Platform_Module |
| 23:40.11 | MohammadAG | TPM is so shit |
| 23:40.19 | MohammadAG | ty |
| 23:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | ask jacekowski about how it's already in place inside OMAP SoC |
| 23:40.25 | BCMM | jacekowski: anyway, what i was getting at was, "will that work ok with the modified kernel module" |
| 23:40.27 | gustavoferreira | xD i was testing infobot, sorry. btw, where can i find a full list of inbot "commands"? |
| 23:40.41 | BCMM | and do i still need the modified kernel module? |
| 23:40.47 | jacekowski | BCMM: no |
| 23:40.57 | jacekowski | BCMM: but you can leave it |
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| 23:41.34 | DocScrutinizer | and now meego implements the sw framework to put it to full purpose, so your device is owned by Nokia/Ti even while you paid for it |
| 23:41.47 | BCMM | in future, i'll try not to come on irc when i'm sleepy and appear not to know the difference between a daemon and a kernel |
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| 23:41.54 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: :( |
| 23:42.09 | BCMM | thing is, being fully awake makes plugging a guitar into an n900 seem less fun |
| 23:42.14 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: I was hoping meego would be sweet, but I guess I'm stuck to maemo :P |
| 23:42.27 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i've read a doc stating that m-shield and all that stuff isn't real |
| 23:42.33 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it's all implemented in software |
| 23:42.40 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 23:42.53 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: using just firewalls that omap supports |
| 23:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | does it really matter? fact is we can't replace xldr |
| 23:44.02 | DocScrutinizer | and now they're going to ramp it up |
| 23:44.13 | jacekowski | we can |
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| 23:44.16 | jacekowski | just don't know how |
| 23:44.22 | BCMM | jacekowski: since i'm being stupid right now, i'll ask: that's suppose to replace /usr/sbin/fmtxd, right? |
| 23:44.32 | jacekowski | BCMM: yes |
| 23:45.01 | BCMM | thanks |
| 23:45.07 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but to go out of HS mode all you have to do is disconnect one pad from pcb |
| 23:45.10 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: wasn't that you who told me we can replace it but it won't boot, as we don't have the proper key to sign it |
| 23:45.24 | jacekowski | yes |
| 23:45.40 | jacekowski | but there has to be weakness somewhere |
| 23:45.49 | jacekowski | there always is |
| 23:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | and even IF we could replace it, we couldn't fake the 'TPM' into pretending the chain of trust is intact. So no secure mode on a system with your custom kernel, no Nokia media player running on such a system without intact secure mode... etc etc |
| 23:48.29 | jacekowski | but if it's disabled |
| 23:48.32 | jacekowski | we can emulate it |
| 23:48.33 | SpeedEvil | There does not have to be an exploitable weakness. |
| 23:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | no updates from Nokia repositories for such a system. No purchase in OVI store. No phone calls |
| 23:49.08 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you can't as you don't have the built-in key |
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| 23:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: parts of Nokia media player code stored in a crypted format that can be decoded only by the TPM |
| 23:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | you lose |
| 23:50.37 | jacekowski | if it runs it can be cracked |
| 23:50.55 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, played Never gonna say no(?) today |
| 23:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | no, as you don't have the tools to crack it |
| 23:50.58 | BCMM | thanks jacekowski, works. |
| 23:51.08 | DocScrutinizer | those tools don't work on a secure system |
| 23:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 23:51.15 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: hmm? |
| 23:51.30 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, song by hushpuppies (on GH) |
| 23:51.30 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: that sounds pretty ei |
| 23:51.32 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, program has to be decrypted |
| 23:51.37 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and stored in memory |
| 23:51.37 | BCMM | gah |
| 23:51.44 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: If it runs, it can be cracked. |
| 23:51.47 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: you're gonna say yeah? |
| 23:51.52 | BCMM | pretty evil, are you talking about the n900? |
| 23:51.57 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: But it can in principle be locked in on-die RAM |
| 23:51.57 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: i just said thta |
| 23:52.06 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, i swear i saw that as never in the title lol |
| 23:52.06 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: And cracking that is tricky. |
| 23:52.15 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, and yes |
| 23:52.25 | MohammadAG | was the guitarist |
| 23:52.27 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: heh, I thought it was only in the french version |
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| 23:52.31 | DocScrutinizer | you can't crack anything on a Ipod nano |
| 23:52.39 | SpeedEvil | Even probing the RAM is fun on a POP |
| 23:52.40 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you can crack the screen |
| 23:53.04 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, smashing hits I think |
| 23:53.04 | jacekowski | ipod nano? |
| 23:53.15 | DocScrutinizer | as well you can't crack anything on a N900 with meego in secure mode, as secure mode means you can't run gdb, strace, anything |
| 23:53.46 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ipod nano as a synonym for a system lacking all tools |
| 23:54.37 | SpeedEvil | No system lacks all tools. |
| 23:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | a secure system does |
| 23:54.49 | SpeedEvil | Electron microscopes, disencapsulation, ... are tools too. |
| 23:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, haha |
| 23:55.02 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: isn't that like saying you can't crack iOS? |
| 23:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not really |
| 23:55.27 | SpeedEvil | And for example, one way to get the key for TPM is to parachute drop a company of mercenries on Nokia HQ. |
| 23:55.52 | BCMM | can we donate to that effort somewhere? |
| 23:55.55 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: actually obe of the more feasible ways, yes |
| 23:56.06 | jacekowski | obe? |
| 23:56.16 | DocScrutinizer | one |
| 23:56.19 | BCMM | order of the british empire |
| 23:56.59 | jacekowski | well, thing is that this key is stored only in one place |
| 23:57.05 | jacekowski | computer where xloader is signed |
| 23:57.08 | jacekowski | or server |
| 23:57.10 | jacekowski | or wherever |
| 23:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | I doubt they have zero backups |
| 23:57.38 | jacekowski | so you have backu |
| 23:57.41 | jacekowski | backup* |
| 23:58.02 | jacekowski | but backups are probably encrypted |
| 23:58.08 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 23:58.13 | DocScrutinizer | good one |
| 23:58.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, you bet they should be |
| 23:58.40 | BCMM | y'know, the original is probably encrypted too |
| 23:58.42 | jacekowski | so you have to get key from signing computer |
| 23:59.09 | jacekowski | BCMM: nah |
| 23:59.21 | jacekowski | ti code signing toolkit can't sign with encrypted keys |
