| 00:00.01 | MohammadAG | alterego, indeed, I was thinking about that today tbh |
| 00:00.03 | alterego | If the platform was as still born as everyone seems to think then there's been a lot of wasted effort on documentation and code :/ |
| 00:00.06 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop would be one |
| 00:02.25 | alterego | I'm just browsing the Qt maemo5 documentation, and I was thinking, we've always had pretty good api level documentation. It's much better now than it used to be. |
| 00:03.34 | alterego | I've just finished porting all my custom widgets to Qt Quick/QML too, so my GPS app will be QML'd up now :) |
| 00:04.08 | MohammadAG | noobish question, what's QML :3 |
| 00:04.47 | alterego | It's the new user interface design language for Qt Quick |
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| 00:04.56 | alterego | Came with Qt 4.7 |
| 00:05.16 | alterego | Haven't you seen all the hype about it? :D |
| 00:06.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, but when I see hype I'm like meh |
| 00:06.25 | alterego | :) |
| 00:06.32 | alterego | It's pretty cool. |
| 00:06.41 | alterego | For building UIs with |
| 00:07.05 | MohammadAG | better than designer? :P |
| 00:07.17 | alterego | It'll be probably 90% of future apps on Nokia devices. |
| 00:08.15 | alterego | Because it's so easy to pick up, I can see a lot of "fart" apps being implemented in it in the future :) |
| 00:08.34 | alterego | There's a graphical designer for it in Qt Creator. |
| 00:12.03 | pupnik | beats tweak/build/run/tweak/build/run cycle |
| 00:13.02 | MohammadAG | alterego, where? |
| 00:13.10 | alterego | Yeah and it makes it really easy to bind your C++ app engine code to a javascript environment. |
| 00:13.25 | MohammadAG | QML? |
| 00:13.35 | MohammadAG | wait what? |
| 00:13.38 | MohammadAG | it's javascript? |
| 00:13.57 | alterego | MohammadAG: just create a QML project and when editing a .qml file you're given the declarative editor instead of the standard designer. |
| 00:14.11 | alterego | Kind of json mixed with javascript yeah. |
| 00:14.47 | alterego | It occured to me that if I write my app core in Qt, then expose the api to QtQuick/Qml, I can tweak my UIs whilst on the road. |
| 00:15.18 | alterego | Then, once I'm happy with the UI, I can package it all into one executable. |
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| 00:22.43 | panda|x201 | Jaffa, hi, still around? any response from qole? |
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| 00:29.04 | Venemo | alterego: I still don't get it why they invented QML instead of just using XAML |
| 00:30.35 | nox- | isnt that .net ? |
| 00:30.41 | nox- | i.e. ms? |
| 00:30.56 | chx | alterego: GPS app? |
| 00:30.59 | Venemo | nox-: XAML = extensible application markup langueage |
| 00:31.07 | Venemo | nox-: language* |
| 00:31.19 | Venemo | nox-: it is just XML which is dead easy to write |
| 00:31.25 | nox- | hm |
| 00:31.33 | chx | XML :( |
| 00:31.49 | alterego | Venemo: because XML is ugly. |
| 00:32.04 | Venemo | alterego: lol. javascript is ugly |
| 00:32.05 | alterego | json is much more succinct ... |
| 00:32.08 | Venemo | alterego: XML is not. |
| 00:32.17 | Venemo | alterego: hehe :D |
| 00:32.22 | alterego | xml is fine, for data interchange. |
| 00:32.35 | alterego | It's not fine for humans to read/write ... |
| 00:32.42 | Serpent | for complex, data interchange! |
| 00:32.47 | alterego | Let alone ui designers. |
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| 00:33.13 | alterego | And there's nothing ugly about javascript, it's a pretty neat scripting language. |
| 00:34.16 | jacekowski | but some people do ugly things with it |
| 00:34.26 | alterego | Indeed |
| 00:34.35 | alterego | It's nicer than Perl :D |
| 00:34.53 | alterego | I think it's nicer than Python too |
| 00:35.51 | Serpent | similar to python, but why nicer? |
| 00:36.45 | alterego | Because Python does a lot of things, well, wrong. |
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| 00:37.22 | alterego | It's object orientation is a bit of a joke, closures are broken aswell. |
| 00:37.54 | alterego | It's just not as nice a language as Ruby or JavaScript. |
| 00:37.57 | jacekowski | it's all same crap |
| 00:38.01 | jacekowski | php perl python |
| 00:38.17 | alterego | Yeah, they are the bottom of the barrel :P |
| 00:38.37 | jacekowski | and prolog |
| 00:38.48 | alterego | Heh, not used prolog |
| 00:39.10 | jacekowski | well, prolog isn't crap |
| 00:39.13 | Serpent | I dont know why you say that its object orientation is a joke |
| 00:39.23 | alterego | Anyone got an interesting XML source they want wrapped up with a nice 900 ui? |
| 00:39.32 | jacekowski | but it's not a regular every day programming language |
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| 00:39.36 | alterego | Serpent: because, it is :P |
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| 00:39.56 | Serpent | in which way? |
| 00:40.14 | alterego | It's ugly and hackishp |
| 00:40.31 | alterego | Maybe not as ugly as perls' OO but it's still nasty. |
| 00:40.53 | alterego | It's like writing OO in C using gobject styles. |
| 00:41.38 | alterego | I've just come to expect more from high level dynamic languages |
| 00:42.20 | alterego | Anyhow, XML data, I want to play with Qt Quicks XML data stuff but I don't have an interesting source of information. |
| 00:44.31 | alterego | Anyone got anything interesting? :) |
| 00:44.38 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.15 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:45.17 | jacekowski | i have this |
| 00:45.20 | SpeedEvil | alterego: http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Planet.osm 160GB of XML goodness. |
| 00:45.28 | alterego | Heh |
| 00:46.08 | SpeedEvil | http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml |
| 00:46.10 | SpeedEvil | more seriouslty |
| 00:47.30 | alterego | Yeah, I was thinking weather. |
| 00:48.17 | alterego | Just had another neat idea for an app. |
| 00:48.26 | alterego | But I'm not surew who's want to use it ... |
| 00:49.32 | alterego | A satellite visualization, basically a map of the world with satellite position and orbit plotting. |
| 00:49.36 | Serpent | I dont know if you are interested in the python discussion, but I believe the closures issue is long gone |
| 00:49.57 | alterego | I might integrate it into my gps app. |
| 00:50.08 | alterego | Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks. |
| 00:51.16 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.31 | jacekowski | 12G compressed |
| 00:52.01 | MohammadAG | sigh, if only networks in IL were that fast |
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| 01:00.57 | gustavoferreira | hello everyone |
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| 01:02.05 | gustavoferreira | could someone confirm that are receiving my text, thank you |
| 01:03.04 | nox- | `loud and clear' |
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| 01:03.36 | gustavoferreira | thank you very much, it's my first time on this channel, actually, it's the first time on maemo community |
| 01:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | welcome |
| 01:07.46 | DocScrutinizer | remember ~ask and ~question |
| 01:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | gustavoferreira: and ping me if you got any problems with this channel |
| 01:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 01:08.30 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 01:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | ~question |
| 01:08.37 | infobot | question is, like, If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html |
| 01:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | gustavoferreira: if you're in doubt about your online status: |
| 01:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 01:09.56 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
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| 01:10.05 | DocScrutinizer | or |
| 01:10.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~ping |
| 01:10.08 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 01:13.19 | gustavoferreira | thank you very much for your information. i promise i'll behave as you expect. |
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| 01:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 01:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | nobody here beahves 'as expected' |
| 01:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | but we all try - usually :-D |
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| 01:14.34 | gustavoferreira | :P ok, good shot |
| 01:16.05 | Venemo | gustavoferreira: hi :) |
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| 01:22.24 | gustavoferreira | So, i want to make deb files from my programs to maemo, i have been searching for methods to do this, and i just see process that make me going all the way down through control files and all that stuff, what i want to know is, if that is any way to make deb files from binarys (i program in C and use GTK+) |
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| 01:24.15 | gustavoferreira | i know for C++ and Qt the software we use "automatically" creates a deb file, is there any program out there that does the same but with C code plus GTK+? (sorry for my spelling mistakes, english is not my mother tong) |
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| 01:28.51 | lolcat | Hello |
| 01:28.56 | lolcat | I forgott my phone in my car |
| 01:29.01 | lolcat | How can I find the IP? |
| 01:29.12 | lolcat | It is loging me off MSN |
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| 01:43.21 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 01:43.26 | lolcat | hi |
| 01:44.06 | TiagoTiago | is there somewhere a step by step tutorial on getting out of dependencies knots for complete newbies? |
| 01:45.01 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 01:45.01 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:45.49 | TiagoTiago | i don't mean giving up and starting from scratch, i mean actually fixing things |
| 01:46.14 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - working out dependancies doesn't really seem noob-like |
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| 01:47.43 | TiagoTiago | the general concepts seem simple enough, some pacckages need other packages and somtimes multiple packages conflict with what they wanna have installed |
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| 01:55.52 | TiagoTiago | by newbie i don't mean clueless idiot, i just mean someone that doesn't now much about the topic yet |
| 02:01.44 | pupnik | gustavoferreira: sorry nobody responded - 1) yes you can make deb files from binaries, but not uploa them to the maemo repository. |
| 02:02.31 | pupnik | -2) i don't know of a way to create a debian package automatically without all the context of a project builder |
| 02:08.49 | gustavoferreira | thank you for your response, i already made all the process and i got a deb file and i could install it on my nokia n900, it also appeared in the "software installed" but i'm facing a problem right now, how can i put my application on my "application window" without messing (at least directly) with those files (xml i think?!?) that describe what and how are the apps shown on the application window |
| 02:09.32 | MohammadAG | this might help http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging |
| 02:10.01 | TiagoTiago | sighs |
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| 02:10.38 | TiagoTiago | ok, how about a step by step tutorial for those not so newbie then? |
| 02:10.50 | Termana | good morning |
| 02:11.01 | MohammadAG | hi Bradley |
| 02:11.05 | MohammadAG | loves idents |
| 02:11.35 | Termana | MohammadAG, my name is on my twitter account as well, which you follow. Like I'm really trying to withhold my name from you |
| 02:11.38 | Termana | rolls eyes |
| 02:11.45 | Termana | :P |
| 02:12.03 | MohammadAG | well, you should worry about your IP more than your ident :P |
| 02:12.51 | MohammadAG | Termana, seriously, you should hide your name, like I do |
| 02:13.56 | Termana | MohammadAG, I think I'll be fine with my IP address. I run OpenBSD. :P No I don't actually, I run Ubuntu 10.10, but I'm waiting for MeeGo to get masks |
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| 02:14.45 | Termana | MohammadAG, hah. Your name is "top secret" |
| 02:14.47 | Termana | :P |
| 02:15.32 | Termana | (Well unless someone intends to bring a big connection and ping flood me, I feel I'll be fine) |
| 02:15.49 | gustavoferreira | MohammadAG: thank you for this tutorial, i'll have a read, but for what i can see, this is for deb files made from source code, and, what about binaries? is there any tutorial? Because i think it will be less probable something going wrong with binaries ( or am i wrong?) |
| 02:16.07 | MohammadAG | Termana, yes, I'm disguised as MohammadAG, a combination of Mohammad and Rapidshare AG |
| 02:16.52 | MohammadAG | if you build from binaries then the app will be non-free, and yes, it's easy, follow the same tutorial and add the fles to the install file |
| 02:18.59 | pupnik | you have application icons in a separate directory called icons/ ? |
| 02:19.15 | gustavoferreira | no, i have it on the control file |
| 02:20.44 | gustavoferreira | MohammadAG: it isn't that i don't want it to be free, just because i think that is easier, but if it has the same dificulty degree, then, let's make it from source code |
| 02:21.47 | MohammadAG | same difficulty |
| 02:22.08 | gustavoferreira | ok, thank you |
| 02:22.29 | MohammadAG | read the tutorial, it covers most things :) |
| 02:22.39 | MohammadAG | feel free to look at existing packages |
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| 02:24.50 | gustavoferreira | one more thing (this one may seems ridiculous, but here we go) how can i have 100% sure what my application depends on? |
| 02:25.40 | MohammadAG | scroll down in my page, it I mention shlibs:Depends |
| 02:25.54 | MohammadAG | for C/C++, it'll fill in depends from ldd |
| 02:29.06 | gustavoferreira | "Depends: apt, ${shlibs:Depends}" you are right. |
| 02:31.19 | gustavoferreira | and my last question, to make my application icon appear in the applications windows, i just need to put a .desktop file (with all the required info of course) on the directory you specified? just that? |
| 02:31.34 | MohammadAG | apt is just an example |
| 02:31.37 | MohammadAG | you don't need it |
| 02:31.44 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 02:31.57 | MohammadAG | example.desktop usr/share/applications/hildon |
| 02:32.02 | MohammadAG | in your .install file should do it |
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| 02:34.41 | gustavoferreira | thank you very much that was a precious information for me. Is there any wiki or so that talks about maemo structs? i mean, what does each directory, or what they are meant to have, in short, how is file system in maemo organized? |
| 02:35.11 | MohammadAG | hmm, general linux I'd say |
| 02:35.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | hell, don't you ever sleep? |
| 02:36.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | would you please check #9 and update #1 |
| 02:37.27 | gustavoferreira | DocScrutinizer51: is that for me? i didn't understand for who you were talking |
| 02:37.37 | pupnik | http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/impostor.png ahahahah |
| 02:37.44 | MohammadAG | probably me |
| 02:37.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: |
| 02:38.33 | gustavoferreira | oh ok, sorry |
| 02:38.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, nope, holidays -> no sleep :D |
| 02:39.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 02:41.01 | gustavoferreira | MohammadAG: you are right, but there are things specific to maemo/hildon right? |
| 02:41.37 | gustavoferreira | in the structure of file system |
| 02:42.39 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 02:42.48 | MohammadAG | maybe configs, but the basic hierarchy is the same |
| 02:43.25 | b-man` | maemo is structured quite like debian |
| 02:43.33 | b-man` | with some exceptions |
| 02:44.49 | gustavoferreira | ok, i'm sorry then, i'm new in some way in Debian, more specific on Ubuntu. I guess i need to study debian file system structure then. Thank you vey much for your time. |
| 02:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | maemo/debian/ubuntu all follow FHS very closely. Except for maemo and...: |
| 02:47.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 02:47.04 | infobot | hmm... optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
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| 02:50.23 | Venemo | what is FHS? |
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| 02:50.48 | gustavoferreira | Filesystem Hierarchy Standard i guess |
| 02:51.16 | gustavoferreira | thank you guys for your time |
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| 03:02.08 | gustavoferreira | where can i get some source code, or deb file of a program for maemo to see the structure? |
| 03:03.13 | nidO | maemo.org/packages |
| 03:04.33 | gustavoferreira | thanks |
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| 07:23.48 | lardman | morning |
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| 07:27.34 | lardman | Just had a play (well yesterday) with an HTC Desire HD |
| 07:27.41 | lardman | really rather good |
| 07:27.55 | lardman | come on Nokia.... :) |
| 07:28.18 | kerio | Gorroth: yo dawg |
| 07:28.39 | Gorroth | what up in the hizzie |
| 07:28.46 | Gorroth | s/what/wut |
| 07:29.00 | Gorroth | s/the/da/ |
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| 07:32.24 | khertan_ | Morning |
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| 07:32.38 | lardman | morning khertan_ |
| 07:34.12 | khertan_ | lardman, morning lardman |
| 07:34.49 | khertan_ | just see that there is a talk about dev with python on meego ... |
| 07:34.59 | khertan_ | so binding should be here :) |
| 07:35.09 | lardman | is trying to get Python scripting working with mBarcode |
| 07:35.23 | lardman | which version is that? 2.6 |
| 07:35.45 | khertan_ | 2.6 |
| 07:36.02 | khertan_ | 2.6 on meego core |
| 07:36.05 | khertan_ | 1.1 |
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| 07:37.22 | lardman | hmm, somewhat terse the errors output by sip |
| 07:38.09 | khertan_ | on mBarcode ? |
| 07:38.32 | Gorroth | is the hardware on the N900 capable of supporting wireless "Master" mode, and it's just a limitation of the drivers, or is it just that the hardware is incapable of supporting that mode? |
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| 07:39.09 | lardman | khertan_: Am creating a SIP wrapper so I can cast the Python plugins to C++ classes and call them from the main mBarcode code |
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| 07:40.00 | khertan_ | hum ... this is the part of Python that i never try :) |
| 07:40.08 | lardman | for good reason! :) |
| 07:41.45 | khertan_ | lardman, yep as i didn't code in c ... so made plugins for my apps isn't so difficult :) |
| 07:42.08 | lardman | Python was too slow for the main code |
| 07:42.24 | lardman | but great for plugins, assuming I can get this working |
| 07:42.25 | flux | gorroth, I think all hardware as such is capable of that mode, but their firmware might not be |
| 07:43.07 | flux | how does joikuspot work, is it in infrastructure mode? |
| 07:43.26 | flux | (possibly it comes with its own wlan firmware, if it's been done with co-operation with Nokia) |
| 07:43.34 | Gorroth | hmm |
| 07:43.40 | Gorroth | i guess i should get joikuspot |
| 07:43.58 | Gorroth | see if i can setup iptables to work in conjuncton with it |
| 07:44.30 | khertan_ | lardman, python is fast enought for anythings except some slow things like image analysis ... what you are doing with mBarcode :) |
| 07:44.41 | khertan_ | so why not do the thing in the other way |
| 07:45.05 | khertan_ | create a small c python plugin to do the analysis |
| 07:45.39 | lardman | I can't remember now, lost in the mists of time |
| 07:45.49 | khertan_ | :) |
| 07:45.55 | khertan_ | a good reason :) |
| 07:46.05 | lardman | seemed like it at the time |
| 07:46.16 | lardman | but isn't that always the way...? :) |
| 07:46.51 | flux | lardman, have you considered a generic exec/socket/dbus interface that allows to write plugins in any language? or is that exactly what you're doing?-) |
| 07:47.17 | khertan_ | lardman, i think gedit should be a good example for plugin integration :) |
| 07:47.29 | lardman | flux: considered, but I really don't have all that much time, and getting that intergrated with the ui would be timeconsuming |
| 07:48.06 | lardman | though we do broadcast DBus messages, and I was writing a DBus plugin handler (though I think I'll skip that and use Python plugins to allow people to wrap DBus calls) |
| 07:48.33 | lardman | otherwise the conf file has to be quite complex to specify how the barcode payload needs to be parsed and checked |
| 07:52.19 | lardman | hmm, circular dependency in my sip files |
| 07:52.23 | lardman | drat |
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| 07:53.31 | lardman | hmm, I wonder if someone is trying to tell me something :) |
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| 08:11.34 | crashanddie | 'morning maemo |
| 08:12.12 | marmoute | maemorning |
| 08:12.14 | lardman | hi crashanddie |
| 08:12.23 | crashanddie | hey lardman, how's it going? |
| 08:12.35 | lardman | alright, just cusring sip |
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| 08:12.42 | crashanddie | need help? |
| 08:12.56 | lardman | think I'm sorted now, thanks thogh |
| 08:12.59 | crashanddie | np |
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| 08:13.04 | lardman | can't type in the morning apparently |
| 08:13.22 | crashanddie | SIP'ing too much of the good stuff will do that to you. |
| 08:13.23 | khertan_ | maemorning crashanddie |
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| 08:44.40 | lardman | cu later chaps |
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| 09:09.15 | Khertan_ | I'm listening via streaming ... music is horrible |
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| 09:21.46 | timsamoff | MeeGoConf Keynote has begun: Doug Fisher from Intel. |
| 09:23.00 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming |
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| 09:47.40 | crashanddie | Intel giving away Lenovo IdeaPads to all attendants |
| 09:48.49 | MohammadAG | fuck my government and their rules |
| 09:49.01 | MohammadAG | stabs povbot, you didn't see that |
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| 09:54.10 | javispedro | ~ping |
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| 09:54.23 | javispedro | wow, horrible lag. |
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| 09:56.43 | jpinx-eeepc | Is there any way to prevent the n900 comingg on when the slider is opened? I'd like to have "resume" only on the flick switch |
| 09:56.59 | crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc, don't think so |
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| 09:57.04 | crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc, unless you rip out the magnet |
| 09:57.11 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 09:57.18 | RobbieThe1st | Out of curiosity, why? |
| 09:57.29 | MohammadAG | check mce.ini |
| 09:57.30 | jpinx-eeepc | damn thing keeps opeing in my pocket |
| 09:57.36 | RobbieThe1st | ah |
| 09:57.53 | jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: mce.ini is where? |
| 09:58.05 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:58.16 | crashanddie | morning Jaffa |
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| 09:58.34 | jpinx-eeepc | also -- ow do I reset the lock code when I don't know the old one? Joys of buying a 2nd hand n900 :( |
| 09:59.11 | crashanddie | Jaffa, you in Dublin? |
| 09:59.23 | MohammadAG | /etc/mce/mce.ini |
| 09:59.33 | MohammadAG | though i doubt it's possible |
| 09:59.38 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, yes he is :P |
| 09:59.48 | MohammadAG | Morning Jaffa |
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| 10:00.28 | crashanddie | Jaffa, getting bored to hell by Alberto? |
| 10:00.29 | jpinx-eeepc | MohammadAG: I'll take a look later - thanks :) Any clues about the lock-code change? |
| 10:00.41 | MohammadAG | yeah |
| 10:00.41 | ShadowJK | iirc there's a thread on tmo |
| 10:00.50 | MohammadAG | some app in the repos by qwerty12 |
| 10:01.11 | MohammadAG | or just cat /dev/mtd1 and jack the ripper it |
| 10:01.25 | MohammadAG | it's a DES encrypted lock code |
| 10:01.31 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Yup |
| 10:01.41 | timsamoff | Hi Jaffa. Long time. :p |
| 10:02.05 | Jaffa | timsamoff: Network@'s shit. |
| 10:02.18 | javispedro | yep |
| 10:02.56 | Jaffa | wonders how many people've bought big, thick, slow, heavy netbook/tablet hybrids. |
| 10:03.09 | RobbieThe1st | for? |
| 10:03.29 | crashanddie | timsamoff, shame we won't be seeing each other this year. |
| 10:04.12 | RobbieThe1st | Admittedly, I have something like that, but its more of a notebook/tablet hybrid, and I got it for free, so... |
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| 10:07.00 | MohammadAG | who's talking on the live stream? |
| 10:07.29 | timsamoff | Crashanddie |
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| 10:07.46 | crashanddie | MohammadAG, Alberto Tores |
| 10:07.54 | MohammadAG | I thought he wasn't going o_O |
| 10:08.17 | MohammadAG | oh, never seen his name before :P |
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| 10:10.07 | timeless_n900 | mohammad, he took over in the nokia meego organization when someone left |
| 10:10.23 | javispedro | bah, I get bumped off network every minute |
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| 10:10.27 | javispedro | ~ping |
| 10:10.27 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:10.29 | MohammadAG | Ari Jaaski? |
| 10:10.41 | MohammadAG | javispedro, use a different server |
| 10:11.09 | MohammadAG | try holmes.freenode.net |
| 10:11.16 | MohammadAG | or barjavel(?) |
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| 10:14.06 | MohammadAG | yes, edit libhildon's source |
| 10:14.20 | MohammadAG | ask mece when he's on, he has a binary on tmo |
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| 10:30.41 | summel | can i delete the home folder "savely" as in "the phone will still work but all my data is gone"? |
| 10:31.25 | Khertan_ | BCMM: create your own from scratch :) |
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| 10:43.26 | BCMM | MohammadAG: presumably editing libhildon would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs? |
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| 10:43.55 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 10:44.09 | MohammadAG | search tmo, it's on there somewhere |
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| 10:48.29 | Khertan_ | would make file extensions show in all save/open dialogs? <<< except for Qt apps |
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| 11:14.23 | alterego | quiet :( |
| 11:15.44 | mece | everyone's watching the keynotes and hanging out on 3meego |
| 11:15.58 | mece | s/3meego/#meego/ |
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| 11:16.34 | alterego | m'kay |
| 11:16.57 | alterego | Have I missed anything interesting? |
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| 11:25.12 | mece | they got intel notebooks |
| 11:25.21 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:25.29 | mece | no netbooks |
| 11:25.32 | mece | what are they called. |
| 11:25.41 | alterego | sall laptops? |
| 11:25.45 | alterego | netbooks |
| 11:25.48 | alterego | small .. |
| 11:25.55 | mece | IdeaPad S10-3t |
| 11:26.20 | alterego | Never heard of it. |
| 11:26.31 | phellarv | Lapbooks? |
| 11:26.36 | alterego | If it's smaller than 10" I'd say netbook |
| 11:26.43 | mece | http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/10/lenovo-ideapad-s10-3t-review/ |
| 11:27.03 | mece | Intel 1.83GHz Atom N470 processor |
| 11:27.22 | alterego | Just the name lenovo makes me cringe for some reason ... |
| 11:27.45 | alterego | Oh, that's cool. netlet? |
| 11:27.47 | mece | well, it's free so.. |
| 11:27.55 | alterego | Free? |
| 11:28.04 | alterego | They gave them out? |
| 11:28.10 | mece | yep |
| 11:28.13 | alterego | ffs |
| 11:28.20 | alterego | Now I'm even more sad :( |
| 11:28.21 | mece | that's exactly what I said! |
| 11:28.32 | mece | I'm at home with tonsillitis. |
| 11:28.33 | phellarv | To all except Nokia and Intel Employees |
| 11:29.29 | GAN900 | alterego, sucker. |
| 11:30.02 | alterego | bitch :P |
| 11:30.25 | alterego | GAN900: I just want a t-shirt, but if you can get me a tablet aswell I'll be your bitch ;) |
| 11:30.39 | alterego | Well, I'm already your bitch, but still :D |
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| 11:33.29 | alterego | I bet even if I managed to fly out this evening and get there tomorrow the lenovo give-away was probably only for day one attendees. |
| 11:34.12 | alterego | I hate my life, I missed last years conf, knowing they'd be dishing out loaners |
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| 11:40.15 | GAN900 | alterego, I don't even know where you have to go to get them. |
| 11:41.05 | mece | so why the hell doesn't the stream work on my n900??? |
| 11:41.29 | mece | oh. the very second I wrote that the stream died. |
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| 11:42.46 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:43.20 | alterego | GAN900: It'd be nice if they could send some of us non-attendees, but devote followers a package ;) |
| 11:44.02 | alterego | I guess I'm just sour after never getting any freebies :( Just got a discounted N810 the whole time I've been here. |
| 11:44.26 | mece | I've gotten nothing. |
| 11:44.29 | alterego | I suppose we should also understand that meego isn't maemo. |
| 11:44.37 | mece | true |
| 11:44.50 | alterego | So there's no obligation to any of us :D |
| 11:45.26 | lardman | What's in the package? |
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| 11:45.42 | lardman | have been trying to get twitter to follow the conf, stupid webclient is rubbish |
| 11:45.49 | lardman | or it's me ;) |
| 11:46.00 | mece | lardman, no its rubbish |
| 11:46.09 | lardman | ah phew ;) |
| 11:46.25 | timsamoff | Who's the Maemo dev who wants to takw on creating a Deb to RPM package converer? Nokia and Intel are looking for someone to reward... or, at leat, be a community hero. ;) |
| 11:46.48 | timsamoff | Why isn't lardman here, btw?! |
| 11:46.50 | mece | lardman, how about this: http://tweetchat.com/room/meegoconf |
| 11:46.51 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:46.52 | mece | works |
| 11:47.01 | lardman | timsamoff: busy at work |
| 11:47.04 | javispedro | could probably be done with bash, even. |
| 11:47.09 | timsamoff | Blech. |
| 11:47.29 | lardman | mece: cool, thanks |
| 11:47.51 | timsamoff | FWIW, people are looking for it... Must be good UX for all levels. |
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| 11:48.38 | lardman | timsamoff: so can you confirm finally that GAN900 is a real person...? ;) |
| 11:48.52 | Jaffa | timsamoff: Not sure why they think it's a good idea. |
| 11:48.59 | lardman | hey Jaffa |
| 11:49.07 | GAN900 | Hey! |
| 11:49.09 | Jaffa | lardman: hey. You should be her. |
| 11:49.12 | Jaffa | s/her/here/ |
| 11:49.15 | lardman | I know, I know |
| 11:49.17 | alterego | Probably for some of the maemo apps, obviously. |
| 11:49.18 | Jaffa | 's gone back to hotel room to reflash N900 |
| 11:49.37 | Jaffa | alterego: Yeah, but most are Hildon so won't work well or integrate into the app. |
| 11:49.39 | timsamoff | lardman: heard in passing. Number of apps is important these days. |
| 11:50.02 | lardman | ? |
| 11:50.51 | timsamoff | Competition changing the landscape... Apps working across platforms is good, no? |
| 11:51.13 | GAN900 | TSG is hitting all of the talking points. |
| 11:51.25 | lardman | hmm, is this streaming anywhere? |
| 11:51.30 | Jaffa | GAN900: Are they? I left cos it seemed like typical TSG meeting |
| 11:51.39 | alterego | Jaffa: Could you get hold of mine and tonys' goodie bags from the conf and drop them off in London next time you're around ;) |
| 11:51.41 | GAN900 | Jaffa, exactly. |
| 11:51.49 | alterego | Oo, replies to my bug reports .. |
| 11:52.18 | timsamoff | I can't wait for the minutes from this one. :p |
| 11:52.33 | GAN900 | Feels like an interview on local access TV. |
| 11:52.50 | GAN900 | No time will be left for Q&A. |
| 11:53.02 | fcrochik | GAN900, at least we don't get ads... |
| 11:53.06 | GAN900 | blah blah blah |
| 11:53.22 | Jaffa | alterego: I've not got mine yet, TBH |
| 11:53.25 | Jaffa | alterego: They can't find it. |
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| 11:53.27 | alterego | :) |
| 11:53.30 | alterego | Heh |
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| 11:54.01 | timsamoff | They need to open this for questions...soon. |
| 11:54.16 | GAN900 | 6 minutes left |
| 11:54.39 | GAN900 | I can't get there from here. |
| 11:54.42 | Jaffa | There've been no questions yet?! |
| 11:54.46 | Jaffa | Apart from Jim Zemlin? |
| 11:55.18 | GAN900 | Jaffa, yup. |
| 11:55.23 | phellarv | They are afraid of questions about the N900 |
| 11:55.26 | phellarv | ;-P |
| 11:55.36 | GAN900 | phellarv, who could blame them. |
| 11:55.40 | timsamoff | Just beginning... But, then Jim asked another ? |
| 11:55.46 | alterego | Heh |
| 11:55.51 | javispedro | you'd have to enter the stage and interrupt to ask anything :) |
| 11:55.53 | timeless_mbp | anything interesting? |
| 11:55.56 | timeless_mbp | and where is everyone? |
| 11:56.00 | javispedro | oh |
| 11:56.11 | lardman | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming - I'm assuming this is live |
| 11:56.24 | phellarv | lardman: It's live, yes. |
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| 11:56.30 | lardman | cool |
| 11:56.41 | GAN900 | Oof |
| 11:56.45 | GAN900 | There's the lag. |
| 11:56.57 | timeless_mbp | went to town and bought a laser pointer and managed to get o2 to fix the sim |
| 11:57.12 | lardman | GAN900: but is the lag less than your typing speed? :) |
| 11:57.29 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, by the back entrance to President's at one of the round tables next to javispedro. |
| 11:57.50 | GAN900 | lardman, at 60+ seconds, no. |
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| 11:57.57 | lardman | oh well |
| 11:58.00 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: @event site? |
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| 11:59.33 | chem|st | re |
| 11:59.52 | crashanddie | lardman, the hint was in the URL... :P |
| 12:00.15 | lardman | crashanddie: I don't believe everything I read on the internet... ;) |
| 12:00.51 | crashanddie | lardman, you are a man |
| 12:01.02 | crashanddie | OMG, LARDMAN DOESN'T BELIEVE HE'S A MAN |
| 12:01.12 | Jaffa | Kernel flashed. Yay! |
| 12:01.15 | lardman | note the "everything" |
| 12:01.29 | Jaffa | heads back |
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| 12:11.42 | tugrik | anyone use the "shopper" app? |
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| 12:12.01 | tugrik | i'm having trouble finding the "delete" option |
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| 12:12.35 | lardman | lol @ music on live streaming video |
| 12:12.43 | lardman | or is that playing live for you guys there? |
| 12:12.44 | chem|st | MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11579 would you mind to give some of your knowledge to this? |
| 12:12.45 | povbot | Bug 11579: Kernel USB patch - bug not feature stuck at 500MHz while charging |
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| 12:15.20 | javispedro | eating from a plate while standing up |
| 12:15.21 | javispedro | horrible |
| 12:15.49 | timeless_xchat | lunch time? |
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| 12:19.43 | SpeedEvil | tugrik: I vaguely recall you just tap the item |
| 12:19.54 | SpeedEvil | tugrik: I used it only for several minutes though. |
| 12:20.15 | SpeedEvil | On an unrelated matter. Would anyone happen to know a site like youtube that supports pure audio clips/ |
| 12:20.48 | realitygaps | SpeedEvil: soundcloud perhaps? |
| 12:24.06 | SpeedEvil | hmm - possibly, thanks. |
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| 12:35.00 | RST38h | Anyone sees me? |
| 12:35.10 | lardman | yep |
| 12:35.15 | RST38h | Weird |
| 12:35.29 | RST38h | lardman: Care to give a summary of what is going on at the conference? |
| 12:35.48 | lardman | RST38h: am sat at home slaving away over a hot computer I'm afraid |
| 12:36.00 | RST38h | lardman: How familiar... |
| 12:36.07 | lardman | yeah :( |
| 12:36.15 | RST38h | Let's ask at #meego then =) |
| 12:40.58 | GAN900 | timeless_xchat, down in the last room at lunch with timsamoff, Jaffa, and fiferboy. |
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| 12:43.02 | alterego | Oh well, back to hacking I guess. |
| 12:44.24 | SpeedEvil | sighs, and wishes conference was possible. |
| 12:44.25 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 12:44.41 | alterego | SpeedEvil: you're not alone ;) |
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| 12:45.05 | lardman | +1 |
| 12:45.07 | SpeedEvil | looks round for the burglar. |
| 12:45.14 | alterego | Hahah |
| 12:45.15 | alterego | BOO! |
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| 12:46.17 | MohammadAG | seconds that |
| 12:46.20 | Larholm | urg, "No keyring installed in /etc/apt/trusted.gpg.d/." |
| 12:46.30 | Larholm | I'm trying to follow the instructions on https://projects.maemo.org/docs/environment.html#installing-scratchbox |
| 12:46.39 | MohammadAG | though i have my government to blame |
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| 12:48.29 | Termana | MohammadAG, can I blame your government for me not being in attendance as well? |
| 12:48.30 | Termana | Stupid gov'mt |
| 12:48.46 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 12:52.02 | Larholm | curses scratchbox |
| 12:52.33 | GAN900 | is in the community session now in the terrace. |
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| 13:03.15 | GAN900 | Dawn's talk is starting. |
| 13:03.22 | DocScrutinizer | haha, local Dublin time is UTC-00:20 ?! |
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| 13:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | more like -00:15 |
| 13:04.45 | GAN900 | I guess she didn't find the maemo.org trademark page. |
| 13:04.54 | alterego | Heh |
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| 13:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://conference2010.meego.com/program/live-streaming Local Dublin Time: 2010-11-15 12:50 |
| 13:07.00 | GAN900 | 13:06 according to my clock. |
| 13:07.22 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, it keeps jumping back and forth between different times |
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| 13:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | a clock that's off, and a stream that doesn't stream... :-/ |
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| 13:15.48 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, it's a football stadium. :P |
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| 13:17.02 | DocScrutinizer | he, now only proper audio missing |
| 13:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | give dawn a mic |
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| 13:17.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: seems it is not attached to the stream as she got one... |
| 13:18.19 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, she's on the PA here. |
| 13:18.21 | chem|st | only once... only once working with professionals |
| 13:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | meh, useless |
| 13:19.48 | DocScrutinizer | don't get a single word |
| 13:20.16 | chem|st | GAN900: is the speech recorded? |
| 13:20.19 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, summarizing in #meego |
| 13:20.24 | GAN900 | chem|st, one would assume so. |
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| 13:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sure, you can playback the recorded lifestream later |
| 13:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | livestream? |
| 13:22.18 | chem|st | GAN900: do you mind to ask one of the streaming guys to dub it later and set up a connection for future sessions after the brake? |
| 13:22.43 | DocScrutinizer | with same useless audio |
| 13:22.47 | GAN900 | chem|st, streaming guy is behind a very large and intimidating video camera. |
| 13:23.30 | crashanddie | GAN900, if it's a 4k RED I'm pissing myself |
| 13:24.16 | GAN900 | Sony something |
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| 13:24.20 | chem|st | GAN900: with speech recording I mean the actual talking output |
| 13:24.34 | chem|st | GAN900: picture? |
| 13:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | SOUND???!!! |
| 13:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 13:28.05 | GAN900 | chem|st, N900 isn't telephoto enough and I don't want to stick the 7D in the face of the person behind me. |
| 13:28.59 | chem|st | GAN900: please *twink*, and get someone else to take a picture of you sticking your 7d in the face of the person behind you too ;) |
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| 13:33.45 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 13:34.12 | SpeedEvil | Ad-hoc wifi synchronised mics on all n900s, with phased array capabilities. |
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| 13:46.12 | lardman | SpeedEvil: and run pocketsphinx in parallel to transcribe the audio |
| 13:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | yeah! |
| 13:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | maybe pocketsphinx can understand it. Me can't |
| 13:51.27 | lardman | http://cmusphinx.sourceforge.net/2010/03/pocketsphinx-0-6-release/ |
| 13:51.40 | lardman | I see a new version, and someone's even integrated it with a browser |
| 13:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | so english subtitles would be highly appreciated |
| 13:51.47 | lardman | yeah vol is quite low |
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| 13:52.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually I got ~3..5 *words* of Dawn's talk |
| 13:52.52 | lardman | due to vol? |
| 13:53.15 | mece | I found it alright. |
| 13:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | and due to really fast and accent speech |
| 13:54.07 | lardman | ah ok |
| 13:54.17 | lardman | where are you from Doc? |
| 13:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | no native speaker here, and not at all trained to listen to *spoken* English |
| 13:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: SOL 3 |
| 13:55.44 | lardman | :) |
| 13:56.22 | DocScrutinizer | DAMN - thought my harddisk is going to explode... Nah it was weird audio of the stream |
| 13:56.59 | jaska | haha, i had that once.. a song was playing on the headphones that sounded like a dying drive when the headphones were on the table :D |
| 13:57.47 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, exactly - except it's been the laptop speakers here |
| 13:58.11 | lardman | hmm, updated in the repo too, cool, I was quite impressed to see voice browsing on an HTC Desire HD |
| 13:59.17 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:01.02 | jpwhiting | hey all, is there an easy way to get something like qt assistant on n900 with maemo? |
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| 14:12.24 | jpwhiting | apt-get libqt4-assistant wants to install the 4.5 version but can't because my docs and qt are version 4.7 |
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| 14:17.03 | lardman | hmm, how does one get Ovi Store working? |
| 14:17.36 | crashanddie | slap it on the side a couple of times |
| 14:17.47 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 14:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 14:18.11 | DocScrutinizer | volume at 100% |
| 14:18.35 | ShadowJK | latest maemo? |
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| 14:26.10 | lardman | argh, why does it take so long to display the catalogue list in HAM? |
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| 14:26.24 | RST38h | Because.... |
| 14:26.28 | RST38h | Just because. |
| 14:26.38 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:26.40 | lardman | its just given up now |
| 14:26.43 | lardman | craptastic |
| 14:26.47 | alterego | You're lucky yours displays ... |
| 14:26.53 | RST38h | Probably does some really inefficient text file scanning |
| 14:27.11 | alterego | 80% of the time mine doesn't even populate |
| 14:27.14 | RST38h | Is HAM source code open BTW? |
| 14:27.17 | lardman | same here |
| 14:27.20 | lardman | yeah |
| 14:27.31 | lardman | RST38h: yes I believe so |
| 14:27.44 | RST38h | lardman: So, we can stick our dirty hands there and dissect =) |
| 14:28.03 | RST38h | Out of morbid curiosity, at the very least |
| 14:28.05 | lardman | I think so yes, might be worth a look if you have some spare time |
| 14:28.14 | alterego | RST38h: it's open but wont compile because of deps on some closed components. |
| 14:28.21 | lardman | I think the libapt (?) backend is supposed to be slow too |
| 14:28.29 | alterego | I think it's slow because of that apt-worker daemon. |
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| 15:50.21 | gustavoferreira_ | Hi everyone |
| 15:51.33 | gustavoferreira_ | Could some one tell me where can I find FHS specific for maemo? i mean, the must directories like the ones that have the .desktop files and so on..? |
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| 15:56.14 | chem|st | ~packaging |
| 15:56.14 | infobot | Ask me about ipkg |
| 15:56.23 | chem|st | ~ipkg |
| 15:56.23 | infobot | rumour has it, ipkg is the Itsy Package Management system: http://www.handhelds.org/z/wiki/iPKG or find the source in the handhelds.org CVS http://cvs.handhelds.org/cgi-bin/viewcvs.cgi/familiar/dist/ipkg or see the howto at http://docs.zaurus.com/ipkg_howto.shtml |
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| 15:57.18 | chem|st | gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu? |
| 15:57.53 | realitygaps | gets zaurus flashbacks from ipkg references :) |
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| 15:58.13 | chem|st | ~packaging-guidlines |
| 15:58.21 | chem|st | ~guidlines |
| 15:58.23 | gustavoferreira | sorry guys, could you paste what you wrote? i closed my irc client accidently :S |
| 15:58.31 | chem|st | gustavoferreira_: http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging/Guidelines ... didn't try google hu? |
| 15:59.00 | chem|st | ~fhs |
| 15:59.00 | infobot | i guess fhs is the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard and is at http://www.pathname.com/fhs/, or included in the debian-policy package |
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| 16:00.48 | gustavoferreira | chem|st: I tried and all i got was FHS in general, for debian, ubuntu, etc. But thank you for your info |
| 16:00.48 | kerio | wonders why apple had to rename half of the usual directories |
| 16:02.13 | gustavoferreira | I'm knew on the IRC stuff, could you please tell me why sometimes people here put "~" in front of a word? i'm sorry if it is a stupid question but i don't really know, thanks in advanced. |
| 16:02.30 | gustavoferreira | new* |
| 16:02.33 | lardman | it prompts infobot to parse the sentance |
| 16:02.39 | lardman | ~infobot |
| 16:02.39 | infobot | well, infobot is in need of training, can someone train me? |
| 16:02.41 | chem|st | gustavoferreira: http://tinyurl.com/37eu9vf |
| 16:02.45 | lardman | ~curse infobot |
| 16:02.46 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, infobot ! |
| 16:02.50 | Larholm | :O |
| 16:03.15 | chem|st | ~tell gustavoferreira about fhs |
| 16:03.19 | realitygaps | ~meego |
| 16:03.19 | infobot | well, meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices |
| 16:03.44 | chem|st | ~drink beer |
| 16:03.44 | infobot | drinks beer in one swig, turns blue, green, and ultraviolet, and then vomits beer across the room |
| 16:04.00 | lardman | ~vomit |
| 16:04.00 | infobot | ACTION vomits on lardman |
| 16:04.03 | lardman | nice |
| 16:04.07 | realitygaps | ~thanks infobot |
| 16:04.07 | infobot | realitygaps: no problem |
| 16:04.09 | chem|st | ~kill kittens |
| 16:04.10 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited proton gun at kittens |
| 16:04.20 | SpeedEvil | stabs firefox revisions. |
| 16:04.35 | kerio | ~curse firefox revisions |
| 16:04.35 | infobot | May the fleas of a thousand camels infest your most sensitive regions, firefox revisions ! |
| 16:05.05 | gustavoferreira | i guess i have to read about this infobot, i'm not understanding what it doe, it just display messages you write? |
| 16:05.08 | chem|st | ~striptease |
| 16:05.08 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
| 16:05.12 | SpeedEvil | Specifically. |
| 16:05.15 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 16:05.15 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:05.22 | SpeedEvil | Is the more useful application |
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| 16:06.01 | lardman | gustavoferreira: it doesn't do much useful, though it can remember things like URLs as SpeedEvil showed above |
| 16:06.02 | chem|st | true |
| 16:06.18 | alterego | My custom widget set port to Qml has gone quite nicely :D |
| 16:06.22 | realitygaps | ~osx |
| 16:06.22 | infobot | i guess osx is such a good OS it owns people's afr0's, or massively over-rated |
| 16:06.31 | chem|st | gustavoferreira: and tel people about it without spamming the channel |
| 16:06.41 | chem|st | s/tel/tell/ |
| 16:06.51 | chem|st | and correct me |
| 16:07.00 | gustavoferreira | sorry |
| 16:07.20 | chem|st | gustavoferreira: was not to blame you |
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| 16:09.10 | pronto | it would be awesome if there was a way to send and recieve text message via cli |
| 16:09.25 | alterego | pronto: dbus |
| 16:09.36 | alterego | dbus-send to be exact |
| 16:09.39 | alterego | ~dbus-send |
| 16:09.45 | chem|st | pronto: there are scripts already |
| 16:09.51 | pronto | wait really? |
| 16:09.51 | SpeedEvil | sighs at https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=505037 |
| 16:09.52 | povbot | Bug 505037: was not found. |
| 16:09.59 | SpeedEvil | Fixed in january - still not in trunk. |
| 16:10.04 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 16:10.05 | SpeedEvil | releases |
| 16:10.35 | pupnik | i'm creating a NEW PICS DIRECTORY just for pictures people who belong in an RPG http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2L7F7CnmHw |
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| 16:11.43 | alterego | Where's intel: http://thehandheldblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/MeeGo-Summit-Oulu.jpg |
| 16:21.33 | juozapas | why sometimes led blink when sms received but there isnt notify icon in the bottom of stand-by clock ? |
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| 16:55.18 | lardman | hmm hurd, that reminds me, did someone get that built for the chap on TMO? |
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| 17:00.09 | Khertan_ | shaem |
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| 17:27.35 | BCMM | is there a way to set file associations (for file manager, email, browser, etc.)? |
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| 17:28.24 | BCMM | it says there is no viewer for MS .doc files, and i'd like it to open them in freoffice, and it would also be nice for PDFs to open in evince |
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| 17:29.51 | pupnik | hey DocScrutinizer can i add-on (double) the number of cells in an external laptop battery pack? |
| 17:30.17 | pupnik | i was thinking of hooking 2 cells in parallel up for each one in the original pack |
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| 17:32.31 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: sometimes. |
| 17:32.48 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: but this will often confuse the battery pack, and may make it not charge |
| 17:33.00 | pupnik | mhm it depends on their logic i guess |
| 17:33.45 | pupnik | sort of surprised i haven't seen extended size external packs for thinkpads (mugen?) |
| 17:34.11 | SpeedEvil | you can for many models get extended batteries. |
| 17:34.32 | SpeedEvil | For the x60s - IIRC - it will go up to around double the capacity with a secondary battery |
| 17:34.39 | SpeedEvil | which fits on the base |
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| 17:39.43 | javispedro | uoooh |
| 17:39.57 | javispedro | gconf vs dconf vs qsettings vs plain files |
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| 17:42.02 | Robot101 | plain fails |
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| 17:42.22 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:01.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | plain fails vs plain files |
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| 18:04.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | we had this topic a few weeks ago, and iirc there wasn't a *single* sound argument why we need a centralized service (as evil and nonsensical as windows registry) to manage config data |
| 18:05.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | highlight: None app can't read in 10.000 config files" |
| 18:05.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/ N/ "/ |
| 18:07.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | if a friggin app has to read 10.000 files to gather config, then that app needs no gconf but a painful death |
| 18:08.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | highlight2: "there can not 10.000 apps read one config file" Answer: why not? |
| 18:09.11 | lardman | though standardising the way conf data are read and written is useful for app writers |
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| 18:09.24 | lardman | but needn't mean a monolithic store |
| 18:09.29 | mgedmin | sighs |
| 18:09.48 | mgedmin | realtime config change notifications is a sound argument in my mind |
| 18:10.05 | RST38h | you are overcomplicating things |
| 18:10.05 | mgedmin | the 10,000 xml files on disk braindamage ought to be fixed |
| 18:10.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | lardman: ack |
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| 18:11.48 | kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gm0AkFUYpLQ why didn't he use a n900 too :( |
| 18:12.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | mgedmin: yeah, while you're at it: fix the 100.000 mp3 files braindamage. Seems tracker doesn't full job |
| 18:13.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | </sarcasm> if somebody needs that tag |
| 18:14.25 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer51: what's wrong with ~/. directories |
| 18:14.32 | johnsu01 | should mbarcode be able to scan book barcodes? |
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| 18:14.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | pupnik: NOTHING |
| 18:14.58 | pupnik | i can't think of anything real |
| 18:15.03 | pupnik | as an objection |
| 18:15.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm all for this age old tested concept |
| 18:15.12 | pupnik | it's per-user. it's got basic file security |
| 18:15.20 | BCMM | +1 for "what is gconf actually for?" |
| 18:15.23 | lardman | johnsu01: yes |
| 18:15.43 | lardman | kerio: despite their being competitors, that brings tears to my eyes |
| 18:15.44 | RST38h | Gentlemen, you obviously need WIndows registry |
| 18:15.47 | BCMM | like the registry, it doesn't really help unify anything much |
| 18:15.55 | lardman | johnsu01: what's the problem? |
| 18:16.10 | BCMM | in that it has a bunch of keys with obscure meanings that could just as well be config file lines with obscure meanings |
| 18:16.12 | kerio | lardman: it's brilliant advertising |
| 18:16.20 | pupnik | bingo BCMM |
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| 18:16.38 | RST38h | Please, vot for the new XCHat btw: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xchat/2.8.6-maemo18/ |
| 18:16.57 | pupnik | home directory already *is* a registry as well as being other things |
| 18:16.57 | lardman | kerio: for the portable bbq? |
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| 18:17.05 | juozapas | irssi ftw |
| 18:17.24 | RST38h | pupnik: Some people do not get it |
| 18:17.43 | RST38h | pupnik: Besides, it does make sense to cache config data in case someone is reading it often |
| 18:17.54 | pupnik | weaned on the teat of microsoft, i say. not good unix milk like we had in our day |
| 18:18.52 | johnsu01 | lardman: it's not picking them up apparently, I have used it successfully for qr codes before but it's not recognizing the code on any of my books |
| 18:19.26 | lardman | the 1D decoder is more prone to errors caused by poor lighting and contrast |
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| 18:19.53 | johnsu01 | it could be poor lighting, but it's kind of hard to get light with the phone hovering over the code :) |
| 18:20.15 | lardman | you should be able to hold it a fair distance away really |
| 18:20.25 | lardman | depends how large the barcode is of course |
| 18:21.10 | lardman | can you show us an image? mBarcode can capture an image |
| 18:23.12 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, ping |
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| 18:27.52 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, :) |
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| 18:28.09 | johnsu01 | lardman: ah, got one to work with more light and fiddling |
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| 18:30.02 | lardman | johnsu01: sorry about that, we need to work on the 1D decoder to make it perform better |
| 18:30.38 | johnsu01 | lardman: no worries, happy to have it at all :) what do the color flashes that happen sometimes mean? occasionally there is a purple or green bar that flashes across the scanning window |
| 18:30.39 | lardman | one option is to use the light sensor and turn on the LEDs if there's not enough, we'll have to take a look at that in the fullness of time |
| 18:30.52 | lardman | that's the wonders of the gst pipeline |
| 18:31.14 | lardman | it gets paused as it autofocuses then restarts and doesn't know what's left over |
| 18:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: (realtime notification) usecase please! Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config. For those few global things there are other, better means than a centralized data store process bottleneck. Inotify comes to mind, as well as dbus and a few other well defined mechanisms in X and... |
| 18:31.43 | lardman | actually you might be better changing the settings to not autofocus, and to use the shutter button to do the decoding |
| 18:32.16 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer: I like being able to set my "fullscreen window" key in gnome-keybinding-properties and have metacity/compiz pick it right up |
| 18:32.31 | johnsu01 | lardman: oh, there are settings? |
| 18:32.45 | lardman | yep, hit the menu button, somewhere on the RHS |
| 18:32.51 | lardman | s/button/icon |
| 18:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: uhuh. Yeah, I as well like to set *your* config data and your apps pick it up immediately |
| 18:33.59 | lardman | the spanner icon in fact |
| 18:34.24 | johnsu01 | hm I don't seem to have that |
| 18:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | if that's been too fuzzy: which part of >>Except a very few things like system wide display zoom factor, you'd think nobody but the app itself has to mess around with an app's config.<< you disagree ? |
| 18:34.47 | lardman | are you running on an N900? |
| 18:34.52 | johnsu01 | lardman: yes |
| 18:35.05 | lardman | try upgrading from extras-devel |
| 18:35.29 | juozapas | how to use alt button on n900? |
| 18:35.42 | johnsu01 | lardman: I will try that in a bit, thanks |
| 18:35.54 | lardman | np, give me a shout if you have any troubles |
| 18:37.22 | NooBmonk3y | hi alls, got an odd problem (QT on ubuntu), i add a stacked widget to my ui, and then as before i went to call ui->stackedWidget(...) but it is not recognising StackedWidget as being there? any ideas? |
| 18:38.12 | lardman | case of name? |
| 18:38.50 | NooBmonk3y | well normally if you type ui-> or ui. a drop down list appears, it is not on there either |
| 18:38.57 | NooBmonk3y | (and case is right :) ) |
| 18:39.07 | NooBmonk3y | it's as though it just doesnt exist :| |
| 18:39.25 | lardman | did you save the ui file? |
| 18:39.28 | NooBmonk3y | yup |
| 18:39.44 | NooBmonk3y | got 2 projects side by side to, and comparing, one works, one doesnt :| tis really odd |
| 18:39.54 | lardman | indeed, strange |
| 18:40.38 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 18:41.01 | lardman | I'm afraid I can't help you there, I hate those ui constructs |
| 18:41.36 | NooBmonk3y | hehe, thanks though :) |
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| 18:49.46 | lardman | hmm, I can return boolean values, but not Python strings |
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| 18:54.06 | pupnik | the ones that process and search big trees as you type? hate em too, except for a couple of cases |
| 19:02.33 | lardman | yay! mBarcode python scripting appears to work! :) |
| 19:02.48 | RST38h | madman! madman! =) |
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| 19:03.22 | lardman | :) |
| 19:03.38 | johnsu01 | lardman: updated version works much better, recognized the code much quicker |
| 19:03.46 | lardman | cool, glad to hear it |
| 19:04.03 | lardman | we'll push it to -testing and extras proper soon, sorry about your needing to enable -devel |
| 19:04.08 | johnsu01 | I didn't realize it handled these barcodes till now, this will be fun |
| 19:04.17 | RST38h | has devel enabled for months now |
| 19:04.28 | lardman | same here, but some people don't like it |
| 19:04.33 | johnsu01 | lardman: np, only reason it wasn't already enabled was because this is a new replacement device :) |
| 19:04.41 | lardman | ah ok :) |
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| 19:09.20 | johnsu01 | so thankful to have a replacement, other defects that I had attributed to software were also fixed -- pretty sure my original one had a defective FM transmitter and battery |
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| 19:13.48 | NooBmonk3y | ok something weird is going on! |
| 19:14.03 | NooBmonk3y | now when i add new things to the gui, and build / test on the device the new stuff isnt appearing |
| 19:14.08 | NooBmonk3y | wtf is going on! |
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| 19:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | juozapas: esc;<char> usually works like alt+<char> |
| 19:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | juozapas: do not _hold_ esc 'ley' |
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| 19:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | key* |
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| 19:27.36 | juozapas | k thx DocScrutinizer |
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| 19:39.20 | slonopotamus | and one more time :) |
| 19:39.45 | slonopotamus | anyone knows what the hell is contained in diablo orig.tar.gz? |
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| 19:49.11 | wmarone | ! |
| 19:49.14 | wmarone | update to xchat |
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| 20:00.28 | NooBmonk3y | is really confused..... |
| 20:00.36 | NooBmonk3y | lardman, remember the issue i had earlier? |
| 20:01.33 | NooBmonk3y | its steadily got worse, and i couldnt figure out why, i've now pinned it down to changing my windowTitle on my mainwindow, change it back and it is all fine :| |
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| 20:05.46 | NooBmonk3y | aghhhh still not working |
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| 20:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | slonopotamus: wild guess: data for "reset to factory defaults" ? |
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| 20:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: VCS - sometimes a helpful tool |
| 20:13.41 | NooBmonk3y | ? |
| 20:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | or simply backups |
| 20:13.59 | NooBmonk3y | doc, why would when i press buil/rebuild etc, it seem that the UI only is not being built? |
| 20:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | lots of them |
| 20:14.06 | NooBmonk3y | i am using a backup and the same issue :| |
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| 20:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | you did a make clean? |
| 20:14.46 | NooBmonk3y | yeah |
| 20:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | you did no update? |
| 20:15.27 | NooBmonk3y | nope |
| 20:15.44 | NooBmonk3y | When i build/rebuid i get this |
| 20:15.44 | NooBmonk3y | The process "/usr/bin/make" exited normally. |
| 20:15.44 | NooBmonk3y | Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step. |
| 20:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | you got a mistery machine |
| 20:15.46 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmm |
| 20:15.57 | NooBmonk3y | it aint unchanged!!!! |
| 20:15.58 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
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| 20:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, |
| 20:16.22 | NooBmonk3y | I just added a button, and it is still saying no change :| |
| 20:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | heh maybe I can help you |
| 20:16.36 | DocScrutinizer | remove the executables |
| 20:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | I know this effect from twinkle and qmake |
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| 20:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | qmake sometimes is a bitch |
| 20:17.09 | NooBmonk3y | remove the project's executables? |
| 20:17.30 | DocScrutinizer | i.e. it doesn't build new, if there's an executable. even when the source changed |
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| 20:17.45 | DocScrutinizer | the ones you built previously - yes |
| 20:18.00 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm done that |
| 20:18.43 | NooBmonk3y | just tried changing the build directory, but not liking that, i wonder if my external HDD is dead :| |
| 20:18.46 | NooBmonk3y | or dying |
| 20:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | unlikely |
| 20:19.22 | DocScrutinizer | you got warnings or IO error msgs in syslog? |
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| 20:20.43 | NooBmonk3y | syslog? |
| 20:20.50 | NooBmonk3y | sorry still new to ubuntu |
| 20:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | try |
| 20:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | smartctl -H /dev/sdb |
| 20:23.13 | DocScrutinizer | s/sdb/whatever_your_drive |
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| 20:24.02 | DocScrutinizer | syslog may be /var/log/messages or ...syslog or generally /var/log/* |
| 20:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | you'll be able to tell by name of file |
| 20:24.43 | DocScrutinizer | but |
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| 20:24.45 | luke-jr | my syslogs are all using /var/log/everything/current |
| 20:25.03 | DocScrutinizer | as mentioned above, it's unlikely it's a defect of your drive |
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| 20:25.38 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: would you believe me, when I tell you I'm not surprised at all :-P |
| 20:28.11 | NooBmonk3y | meh drive is fine |
| 20:28.16 | NooBmonk3y | just baffled |
| 20:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:28.20 | NooBmonk3y | created a brand new folder |
| 20:28.31 | NooBmonk3y | copied in the project backup from last night |
| 20:28.48 | NooBmonk3y | opened, cleaned, rebuilt ... same problem, new button not appearing |
| 20:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | tztztz |
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| 20:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | you still see ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step.""? |
| 20:32.57 | NooBmonk3y | yup |
| 20:33.05 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer, ... i'm talking about kernel |
| 20:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | check your system date |
| 20:33.15 | NooBmonk3y | mon 15 nov 8:33pm - correct |
| 20:34.16 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: delete all generated files! |
| 20:34.29 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmm tried that may have found the issue |
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| 20:34.33 | NooBmonk3y | just tried the simulator |
| 20:34.35 | slonopotamus | and then, generate all deleted files! |
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| 20:34.37 | NooBmonk3y | never used it b4 |
| 20:34.40 | NooBmonk3y | Failed to start program. Path or permissions wrong? |
| 20:34.54 | NooBmonk3y | permissions randomly changed somehow to my external hdd? |
| 20:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | I.E. make clean, then check what's left over that's not a project file but generated by qmake etc, and delete that as well |
| 20:35.28 | NooBmonk3y | done that by creating a new folder with the pro etc, and starting again, didnt work |
| 20:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you didn't |
| 20:35.57 | NooBmonk3y | oh |
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| 20:36.07 | NooBmonk3y | ok |
| 20:36.14 | NooBmonk3y | so delete the hole build folder? |
| 20:36.16 | NooBmonk3y | whole* |
| 20:36.22 | NooBmonk3y | well contents off |
| 20:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: I can't tell which of your files are generated (like .o etc) and which are project files (like .c, and the ones created by designer, and whatnot) |
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| 20:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | you have to learn that yourself |
| 20:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | generally make clean should remove all of the generated files, minus the executables |
| 20:39.09 | NooBmonk3y | ok well, just opened healthcheck, not touched that in 2 days, added a button, same problem |
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| 20:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | for qmake this seems to fail sometimes |
| 20:39.31 | NooBmonk3y | therefore problem must lay within QT....... , fresh re-install? |
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| 20:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
| 20:40.20 | DocScrutinizer | restart project from scratch |
| 20:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 20:40.51 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 20:41.20 | slonopotamus | clear cookies, checks for viruses, install latest servicepack, etc :P |
| 20:41.28 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: you're not listening anyway. So I can even tell you "buy a new computer" it doesn't matter |
| 20:41.56 | Malin_ | Is it also possible to speed up the built-in browser? I don't think about browsing speed, but it's a bit unresponsible. And is there a way to have a java-plugin to it? |
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| 20:43.53 | NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, its not that i'm not listening, i am trying, but not understanding everything you are saying |
| 20:44.19 | NooBmonk3y | and i'm trying to be logical |
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| 20:55.47 | NooBmonk3y | phew.... re-install of qt and all working again :) |
| 20:56.07 | NooBmonk3y | thank you though DocScrutinizer even if i annoyed ya.... |
| 20:56.30 | NooBmonk3y | and lol slonopotamus |
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| 21:09.18 | wmarone | apps generally have to be documented by the developer, if there isn't any then chances are... |
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| 21:10.40 | jacekowski | heheheheh |
| 21:11.11 | jacekowski | google is claiming that they don't own android |
| 21:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: odd. as libraries and tools don't wear and rot, you obviously have changed some obscure bit of your configuration of qt. NFC which part of it, or how you did it. Even less of a clue why it threw error ""Configuration unchanged, skipping qmake step."" |
| 21:11.24 | jacekowski | and it's not their fault that it infriges patents |
| 21:11.42 | NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, i dont have a clue either :( but tis now working :| |
| 21:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: anyway nice to hear it works now |
| 21:11.50 | chupy35 | any idea? |
| 21:11.54 | NooBmonk3y | thanks - lets hope it stays that way :| |
| 21:12.00 | bennypr0fane | but if there is documentation, which would be the first place to look for it? I never seem to the info about apps in the same place, it's just scattered all over the "place" |
| 21:12.43 | bennypr0fane | *seem to find |
| 21:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | chupy35: clean /opt |
| 21:13.43 | chupy35 | just uninstalling apps? |
| 21:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | chupy35: there have to be greedy, poorly coded pkgs that eat all that space. I mean 2GIGA byte, c'mon |
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| 21:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | start with games |
| 21:14.34 | chupy35 | i know, and i dont have so much apps, that sucks |
| 21:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | or - even better - du /opt|sort -n |
| 21:14.48 | ShadowJK | bennypr0fane, yeah I think it sucks too. Often the only place you can find any info is in some thread on talk.maemo.org :/ |
| 21:15.27 | ShadowJK | did games stop putting data in MyDocs or something? :-( |
| 21:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | did games ever start to do that? |
| 21:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 21:15.52 | infobot | methinks optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 21:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | *and_MyDocs,* |
| 21:16.24 | RST38h | And good evening, ShadowJK |
| 21:16.30 | ShadowJK | well they put it in /media/mmc?/ on Maemo4 :) |
| 21:16.51 | bennypr0fane | ShadowJK: well and sometimes not even there, and then you have to ask, and hope it's not a suuuuuper-stupid question someone else asked before and maybe you're posting in the wrong thread and maybe noone's even gonna read your question... |
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| 21:18.02 | chupy35 | angrybirds has alot of data is that maybe cus i flash and reinstall ? |
| 21:18.52 | bennypr0fane | I specifically want to know about grouping the contacts on N900 - I want to be able to sent group sms. Does anyone know about a decent app that can do that? |
| 21:19.01 | chupy35 | can i delete some of /opt/local ? |
| 21:19.54 | chupy35 | also python |
| 21:22.56 | chupy35 | on /opt/rovio/angrybirds/data/levels i have 8 packs, is that normal? i just install pack 1, 2 and 3 |
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| 21:23.33 | ShadowJK | python is used by many things :/ |
| 21:25.55 | BCMM | and some people. |
| 21:26.48 | chupy35 | what can i do, just angrybirds seems to consume alot of space |
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| 21:27.51 | tugrik | i wouldn't remove python, as ShadowJK points out, it's used by many things |
| 21:28.20 | chupy35 | so? my opt is full, is kind of strange |
| 21:29.52 | DocScrutinizer | did you the suggested >>du /opt|sort -n |
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| 21:30.14 | DocScrutinizer | to identify the hugest hogs |
| 21:30.20 | pupnik | awesome "Tof-Cameras" |
| 21:30.23 | chupy35 | yes |
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| 21:30.42 | chupy35 | one of the hugest was angrybirds |
| 21:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | pastebin the last 50 lines |
| 21:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | uninstall it |
| 21:31.13 | chupy35 | ok |
| 21:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | oh , mompls |
| 21:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | >>du -x /opt|sort -n |
| 21:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | is the correct line |
| 21:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | -x for "don't leave that filesystem during scan" |
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| 21:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | so you don't see possible symlinks as using up space in opt |
| 21:34.22 | NooBmonk3y | lol preenv has sucked my opt dry ;) |
| 21:34.47 | DocScrutinizer | you bet it does :-P |
| 21:34.50 | chupy35 | maube |
| 21:35.26 | NooBmonk3y | 114.5M free lol |
| 21:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | not preenv but the games though |
| 21:35.41 | NooBmonk3y | true :P |
| 21:35.54 | chupy35 | yes i think is preenv |
| 21:35.55 | chupy35 | also |
| 21:36.14 | DocScrutinizer | tolda start with games |
| 21:36.25 | chupy35 | look http://pastie.org/1300809 |
| 21:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | it's always the games (except when a map app goes apeshit) |
| 21:37.50 | chupy35 | but i only have on opt like 520 kbs, preenv maybe? |
| 21:38.13 | lardman | Khertan_: ping |
| 21:38.21 | DocScrutinizer | >>du -x /home|sort -n |
| 21:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | opt is a subdir of home |
| 21:39.25 | lardman | anyone had any undefined symbol errors using PyQt4 under PR1.3? |
| 21:39.53 | pupnik | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:TOF_Kamera_3D_Gesicht.jpg time-of-flight cameras measure time that light travels to subject |
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| 21:41.15 | pupnik | 100 fps. fast enough to help dodge attacks |
| 21:41.39 | lardman | hmm, phase shift measurement |
| 21:42.34 | chupy35 | DosScrutinizer http://pastie.org/1300819 |
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| 21:44.44 | chupy35 | /home/user space affect /opt space? |
| 21:44.58 | korhojoa | no, it should not |
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| 21:45.36 | chupy35 | its normal that angrybirds is about 34068 with the 3 levelpacks? |
| 21:45.52 | korhojoa | i have no idea, but that doesn't seem all too large |
| 21:46.37 | ds3 | is there a nonOVI way of getting angrybirds? |
| 21:46.38 | lardman | where did you download Angry Birds from? |
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| 21:47.06 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping |
| 21:47.29 | RST38h | "Your generous blood donations through Memorial Blood Centers will help save lives and fight hunger this holiday season." |
| 21:47.44 | lardman | lol |
| 21:48.41 | chupy35 | lardman warez :P |
| 21:49.09 | lardman | oh, fair enough |
| 21:49.17 | lardman | why's Ovi not working now? |
| 21:49.20 | NooBmonk3y | now? |
| 21:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: sure it does. which part of <DocScrutinizer> opt is a subdir of home was too unclear |
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| 21:50.15 | chupy35 | but why /home has more than 2gb and opt just 2gb DosScruitinizer |
| 21:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /home |
| 21:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:51.06 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 487.0M 1.4G 25% /home |
| 21:51.08 | korhojoa | hm? |
| 21:51.22 | lardman | NooBmonk3y: I thought it worked for a while? |
| 21:51.43 | korhojoa | why should /home/user space affect /opt ? |
| 21:51.46 | NooBmonk3y | ;) - lol sorry, was easy picking :p |
| 21:51.51 | NooBmonk3y | has worked for a while now :) |
| 21:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | mount |
| 21:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | /home/opt on /opt type none (bind) |
| 21:52.05 | lardman | not for me |
| 21:52.13 | korhojoa | ahh |
| 21:52.14 | lardman | says device not recognised or similar |
| 21:52.21 | korhojoa | i thought he meant mydocs |
| 21:52.22 | korhojoa | sorry |
| 21:52.23 | korhojoa | my bad |
| 21:52.33 | chupy35 | its true :O, so if i delete some preenv games my /opt will have more space? |
| 21:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | of preemt games live somewhere in /home |
| 21:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | if* |
| 21:54.02 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# df -h /opt |
| 21:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on |
| 21:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/mmcblk0p2 2.0G 487.0M 1.4G 25% /home |
| 21:55.58 | chupy35 | it worked |
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| 21:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | of course |
| 21:58.02 | chupy35 | thanks DocScrutinizer |
| 21:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 21:58.10 | chupy35 | now i have 430 mb |
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| 22:10.08 | trumee | anything interesting from meego conference today? |
| 22:10.54 | chupy35 | amd is contributing also |
| 22:11.23 | trumee | interesting. amd and intel together! |
| 22:11.35 | chupy35 | kind of |
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| 22:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | chupy35: compare to my df -h quoted above. You still use 1000MB more than I do. |
| 22:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | but anyway, with 430MB free you should still be on the green side of the fence |
| 22:16.19 | chupy35 | yes i have alot of trash DocScrutinizer, also 3 preenv games |
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| 22:20.24 | chupy35 | i updated kernel power boot and i got a guru meditation, i feel pleased |
| 22:20.45 | lolloo | hehe |
| 22:21.03 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 22:37.50 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ping |
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| 22:43.56 | NooBmonk3y | ~seen Venemo |
| 22:44.17 | infobot | venemo <~Timur@catv-89-132-105-133.catv.broadband.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 19h 53m 54s ago, saying: 'what is FHS?'. |
| 22:44.30 | NooBmonk3y | Yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy |
| 22:44.36 | NooBmonk3y | grins and smiles alot |
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| 22:49.22 | NooBmonk3y | whats the best way to connect to the n900 like winscp does in windows, but on ubuntu? (App-wise?) |
| 22:51.26 | chupy35 | ssh |
| 22:51.39 | chupy35 | NooBmonk3y ssh just use ssh |
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| 22:52.02 | chupy35 | NooBmonk3y also you can use nautilus or dolphin to manage it graphical |
| 22:52.48 | chupy35 | yo create a net file and select ssh protocol |
| 22:53.03 | NooBmonk3y | ooo cool |
| 22:54.08 | NooBmonk3y | ty chupy |
| 22:55.10 | chupy35 | np |
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| 23:03.00 | Termana | good morning |
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| 23:07.06 | crashanddie_ | "Warning: Your application is using 8 instances at 100%. You may exceed your quota soon." |
| 23:08.09 | NooBmonk3y | lol crashanddie |
| 23:08.14 | NooBmonk3y | morning Termana |
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| 23:16.40 | alterego | Anyone here using Qt Mobility location? |
| 23:17.17 | NooBmonk3y | will be soon |
| 23:17.24 | NooBmonk3y | its my next todo page on healthcheck |
| 23:18.17 | alterego | I just want someone to validate that QGeoPositionInfo reports speed in metres a second because it doesn't seem to scale to miles per hour or kilometers per hour properly. |
| 23:18.22 | alterego | bbiab |
| 23:19.06 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 23:19.06 | NooBmonk3y | okies |
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| 23:23.27 | NooBmonk3y | frals, bored? |
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| 23:31.27 | NooBmonk3y | damn it's quiet in here |
| 23:31.47 | NooBmonk3y | no MohammadAG , no Lcuk, No Frals...... |
| 23:31.49 | NooBmonk3y | bacon ? |
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| 23:33.28 | SpeedEvil1 | ? |
| 23:34.50 | NooBmonk3y | ?! |
| 23:35.34 | pupnik | i wonder what osso-xterm is derived from |
| 23:35.40 | pupnik | xterm itself? |
| 23:36.10 | pupnik | gnome-terminal maybe |
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| 23:39.46 | NooBmonk3y | noooooooo idea |
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| 23:43.33 | pigeon | http://maemo.org/packages/view/osso-xterm/ |
| 23:43.41 | pigeon | though the link is broken. |
| 23:44.54 | pigeon | or http://web.archive.org/web/20071013203734/os-cillation.de/index.php?id=42&L=5 |
| 23:45.11 | pigeon | xfce-terminal, looks it. |
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| 23:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: uhuh |
| 23:46.39 | crashanddie_ | hmm? |
| 23:46.48 | DocScrutinizer | 8 instances at 100% |
| 23:46.53 | crashanddie_ | yeah |
| 23:46.55 | crashanddie_ | GAE |
| 23:47.01 | crashanddie_ | trying to upload some shit |
| 23:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | aaah |
| 23:47.09 | crashanddie_ | (just 350k entries to the datastore) |
| 23:47.20 | crashanddie_ | burnt through the free quota in about 2 hours |
| 23:47.29 | crashanddie_ | have to start all over again |
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| 23:52.53 | djszapi | does anybody use usb networking on maemo5 here ? |
| 23:52.57 | trumee | alterego, Media IM doesnt respect the offline status. |
| 23:53.08 | djszapi | ifconfig n900 |
| 23:53.09 | djszapi | n900: error fetching interface information: Device not found |
| 23:53.19 | trumee | alterego, i confirmed that today |
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| 23:54.22 | trumee | alterego, Media IM pushes the device to go online even when the device is offline |
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