| 00:00.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: none I know of |
| 00:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | except of actual partition-type byte in partition table |
| 00:00.58 | DocScrutinizer | as of *fdisk |
| 00:01.18 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: on linux? |
| 00:01.19 | MohammadAG | meh, I'll let the user figure out shit thne |
| 00:01.21 | MohammadAG | then* |
| 00:01.30 | MohammadAG | or I could modprobe isofs and ntfs at h-e-n launch |
| 00:01.34 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yes |
| 00:01.44 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~# blkid /dev/md1 |
| 00:01.44 | jacekowski | /dev/md1: UUID="42c17aec-3731-4eab-9d06-d9987ddf3fd6" TYPE="reiserfs" |
| 00:02.00 | pronto | woah people still using reiserfs? |
| 00:02.04 | DocScrutinizer | :-) nice |
| 00:02.17 | jacekowski | pronto: there are no better alternatives |
| 00:02.24 | jacekowski | you have old slow ext3 |
| 00:02.34 | jacekowski | delayed /dev/null ext4 |
| 00:02.41 | jacekowski | fragmenting like a fuck xfs |
| 00:02.47 | luke-jr | ext3 is fast enough for me |
| 00:02.59 | luke-jr | but using a journalled fs on MMC/SD is stupid |
| 00:03.01 | pronto | well at least you have decent enough reasons to be using it xD |
| 00:03.09 | luke-jr | the only real options are ext2 and ext4 |
| 00:03.21 | MohammadAG | hmm, awk/cut experts, how do I get only the partition type? |
| 00:03.28 | jacekowski | luke-jr: ext3 in non journaled mode |
| 00:03.37 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat" |
| 00:03.39 | luke-jr | jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = ext2 |
| 00:04.38 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: perl -nle 'm/TYPE="(\w+)"/&&print $1' |
| 00:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | sed s/.*TYPE=\"(.*)\"/$1/ |
| 00:04.55 | MohammadAG | awk, not perl |
| 00:05.05 | jacekowski | don't do it in perl |
| 00:05.07 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: that will fail on a trivial input change |
| 00:05.19 | luke-jr | Perl owns u |
| 00:05.43 | jacekowski | blkid /dev/md1 | awk -F\ '{ print $3 }' |
| 00:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: how's that any worse than your perl hax0ring? |
| 00:05.59 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, sometimes, it's not $3 |
| 00:06.06 | luke-jr | fstype="$(eval "$(cut -d' ' -f 2- <<<"$yourcrap")" && echo $TYPE)" |
| 00:06.11 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: then |
| 00:06.13 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: my Perl will work 100% of the time |
| 00:06.21 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p1: LABEL="Nokia N900" UUID="4BB1-E781" TYPE="vfat" |
| 00:06.21 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p2: UUID="25c470a5-32b9-4e84-b017-5fdb10b2e209" TYPE="ext3" |
| 00:06.21 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p3: TYPE="swap" |
| 00:06.33 | DocScrutinizer | unless TYPE= is missing |
| 00:06.39 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: even if it is |
| 00:06.39 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, except when a user doesn't have perl |
| 00:06.41 | GAN900 | is in PHI if anybody else is here. |
| 00:06.51 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:07.03 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: UHUH |
| 00:07.06 | jacekowski | but that's nasty |
| 00:07.23 | jacekowski | and i never wrote that |
| 00:07.27 | luke-jr | someone pastebin blkid --help for me |
| 00:07.29 | MohammadAG | no gawk by default on the N900 |
| 00:07.50 | jacekowski | /bin/sh: blkid: command not found |
| 00:07.50 | jacekowski | You are trying to send an empty document, exiting. |
| 00:07.54 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 00:08.16 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:08.17 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/PZnTE9w2 |
| 00:08.18 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat" |
| 00:08.18 | MohammadAG | meh |
| 00:08.20 | jacekowski | here it is |
| 00:08.39 | timeless_mbp | GAN900: ! |
| 00:09.57 | luke-jr | blkid -s TYPE -o value /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:10.25 | luke-jr | ? |
| 00:10.30 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 00:10.33 | jacekowski | just check one thing |
| 00:10.37 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, see up |
| 00:10.42 | jacekowski | will it show unknown filesystem |
| 00:10.43 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: see what up? |
| 00:10.46 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# blkid -s TYPE /dev/mmcblk0p1 |
| 00:10.49 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> /dev/mmcblk0p1: TYPE="vfat" |
| 00:10.50 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: not the same |
| 00:11.15 | MohammadAG | ah, thanks |
| 00:12.47 | MohammadAG | so, what does it show for ntfs and isofs? |
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| 00:15.46 | DocScrutinizer | who knows |
| 00:16.03 | DocScrutinizer | no blkid on my x86 box |
| 00:16.24 | jacekowski | it's root only program |
| 00:16.26 | jacekowski | from /sbin |
| 00:16.44 | fcrochik | GAN900: ping |
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| 00:21.03 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: briefly. There were a couple of things. Can you pm me the link and ill quickly skim over it to see what I was going to say to you |
| 00:21.26 | timeless_mbp | sure |
| 00:24.15 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: bare with me doing multiple things so typing slow. The first thing I though was that you should move the meego conference logo on the initial slide. It looks strange where it is. Possibly put it at the top and the devices in order down the bottom |
| 00:24.27 | TermanaDesire | Thought. * |
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| 00:30.05 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: "what's a till roll" saying "what is a till roll" would be better. Potentially capitalize IS to place more emphasis on that |
| 00:30.47 | timeless_mbp | so, someone just told me about official slide templates |
| 00:31.06 | timeless_mbp | so right now i'm taking the art from the initial slide, making it transparent, and adding it to the template :( |
| 00:31.12 | timeless_mbp | this isn't "fast" |
| 00:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: please kick me! |
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| 00:32.17 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: also that slide should actually show the menu item otherwise it will confuse people what you're talking about |
| 00:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/sda3: UUID="785632A756326652" LABEL="Data" TYPE="ntfs" |
| 00:32.39 | timeless_mbp | ok |
| 00:32.45 | jacekowski | slaps DocScrutinizer |
| 00:33.04 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: sadly the n8x0 view was "better" in that you could see the till roll and the menu a the same time |
| 00:33.18 | timeless_mbp | the n900 theme + menu behavior *sucks* for this :) |
| 00:33.27 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, i can switch that |
| 00:35.35 | andax | luke-jr: not to forget jfs is in many cases more efficient than ext3 ext4 |
| 00:36.26 | internetishard | where is the conf file for ntp? I'd like to see how it was setup |
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| 00:41.56 | andax | luke-jr: "JFS journals metadata only, which means that metadata will remain consistent but user files may be corrupted after a crash or power loss. JFS' journaling is similar to XFS where it only journals parts of the inode." (wikipedia) |
| 00:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | halley:/etc # blkid /dev/sr0 |
| 00:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | /dev/sr0: LABEL="SGH-i900" TYPE="iso9660" |
| 00:43.32 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't show up in <default> all devices list of blkid w/o parameters |
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| 00:44.08 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: where you talk about in the slides about "your" and "me and my" it might be handy to circle those bitsin some way so they stand out. But since you'll be talking with the slides this isn't entirely necessary |
| 00:44.33 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: there's a slide where i blow them up |
| 00:44.40 | timeless_mbp | but i can circle them as i did in earlier slides |
| 00:46.19 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: should i circle on the original slide |
| 00:46.22 | timeless_mbp | or only the blow up slide? |
| 00:46.34 | timeless_mbp | tries circling on the blow up slide |
| 00:47.05 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: I think both bit if you only do it on one do it on the small one |
| 00:47.15 | TermanaDesire | But * |
| 00:48.18 | timeless_mbp | ok, i've circled it on the first slide |
| 00:48.25 | timeless_mbp | the slides should be relatively live |
| 00:48.33 | timeless_mbp | so if you go back, hopefully you see the updates |
| 00:49.17 | andax | jacekowski: ext3 in non-journaled mode = (afaik) ext2 |
| 00:49.43 | jacekowski | andax: not exactly |
| 00:49.46 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: on history / navigation there's a slight spelling error. It reads "can the content seen by anyone" it should say "can the content be seen by anyone" (add the be) |
| 00:50.21 | jacekowski | andax: journall is still there and can be used |
| 00:50.27 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: got a slide number? |
| 00:50.37 | timeless_mbp | 34? |
| 00:50.44 | timeless_mbp | got it |
| 00:51.01 | jacekowski | andax: or in writeback mode |
| 00:51.07 | jacekowski | andax: where journal is almost unused |
| 00:52.51 | andax | jacekowski: that may be, but i did read to make a ext3 from a ext2 you only add the journal thingie, or remove it to make a ext2 from a ext3 |
| 00:53.08 | andax | i never did it, though :) |
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| 00:57.16 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: yep 34 sorry for slowness ;p |
| 00:57.22 | timeless_mbp | no problem |
| 01:01.28 | sp3000 | the what message? |
| 01:03.22 | TermanaDesire | On 42 for the dot point "ask people..." there's a couple of things - first there's a spelling error "it fails aks" should be asks, second there should be a - instead of a comma between translations and when and third, I hope you plan to talk about what you mean by round tripping translations (eg. Round trip them to a set of people or what?) Since the text doesn't really explain exactly what you meant there |
| 01:06.12 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: actually it should be "ask" not "asks", but thanks for catching the transposition :) |
| 01:06.46 | timeless_mbp | hrm, yeah, i'll have to explain that |
| 01:07.29 | timeless_mbp | is it better to use "Telephone" to describe that? |
| 01:08.05 | timeless_mbp | rewritten, but the problem is that it's too long |
| 01:10.25 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: I think its fine what's written as long as you just give a short explaination about what you mean while talking |
| 01:10.48 | timeless_mbp | hrm, it's already changed :( |
| 01:10.58 | timeless_mbp | bullet points should really be bullets |
| 01:11.02 | timeless_mbp | i'll have to explain them anyway |
| 01:11.02 | timeless_mbp | ] |
| 01:11.12 | timeless_mbp | stares at the meego template |
| 01:13.42 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: other than removing the slides that say they need to be removed in big letters (;p) everything else looks fine to me. Hopefully I helped in some form :) |
| 01:13.59 | timeless_mbp | you did |
| 01:14.02 | timeless_mbp | thanks |
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| 01:17.53 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 01:17.55 | timeless_mbp | so um |
| 01:18.03 | timeless_mbp | how do i replace a slide deck? |
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| 02:42.18 | Gh0sty | hmm I just got problems with my camera but there was also an update for the power kernel |
| 02:42.39 | Gh0sty | seems to have fixed it but when I reboot the n900 now I get a u-boot console |
| 02:42.57 | Gh0sty | saying something like mmc0:3 is invalid |
| 02:43.07 | Gh0sty | filesystem corrupt? |
| 02:44.54 | TermanaDesire | Gh0sty: take out your SD card and boot |
| 02:45.24 | TermanaDesire | Gh0sty: put it back in when it finishes booting |
| 02:46.07 | Gh0sty | what should that do? |
| 02:46.47 | TermanaDesire | Gh0sty: make it boot |
| 02:47.37 | TermanaDesire | Gh0sty: its trying to find a kernel and boot it on your SD card. Removing it means it wont try and do that |
| 02:47.39 | Gh0sty | it boots alright |
| 02:47.43 | Gh0sty | even with the SD card |
| 02:47.51 | Gh0sty | it's just that the U-boot screen is new |
| 02:47.58 | Gh0sty | before it happened without the U-boot |
| 02:48.19 | TermanaDesire | Gh0sty: right u-boot was integrated with the new power kernel |
| 02:48.41 | TermanaDesire | Its suppose to happen |
| 02:48.44 | Gh0sty | aah ok |
| 02:49.01 | Gh0sty | yes that explains something |
| 02:49.21 | Gh0sty | the error I see is not a problem, its just trying to find another kernel on SD card like the meego videos showed :) |
| 02:50.56 | Gh0sty | but anyway the power kernel from yesterday or the day before was pretty bad |
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| 04:02.33 | TermanaDesire | I think someone has assassinated everyone in close association with maemo/meego. Not a peep |
| 04:02.34 | TermanaDesire | ;p |
| 04:03.31 | TermanaDesire | I killed them all with my bare hands |
| 04:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | come over, eat my MTHEL |
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| 04:15.35 | luke-jr | andax: so? |
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| 04:34.35 | andax | luke-jr: is there all there is to it? |
| 04:42.07 | fredrin | Where is DAVE????? |
| 04:44.03 | TermanaDesire | fredrin: Dave who? You mean David? |
| 04:45.10 | TermanaDesire | Unless you mean Dave Neary. |
| 04:45.35 | TermanaDesire | But just Dave means nothing, even in all capitals |
| 04:48.32 | fredrin | TermanaDesire, nah, more that i miss Dava from the Openmoko days |
| 04:48.54 | fredrin | never mind |
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| 05:07.34 | DocScrutinizer | dave vanished |
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| 05:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | nobody ever told me what happened to him. Just his army of bats still living here |
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| 05:31.22 | frals | X-Fade: all generated 'downloads' graphs seems to stop at the end of july atm |
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| 06:32.59 | timeless_mbp | hey |
| 06:33.02 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: ? |
| 06:33.09 | timeless_mbp | is TV out on the n900 mirror only? |
| 06:33.13 | timeless_mbp | or is there a way to abuse it? |
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| 06:49.27 | ebzzry | I hope there is a better Dropbox client for Fremantle? |
| 06:50.08 | ebzzry | s/\?$/./ |
| 06:58.49 | lcukn900 | timeless abuse is possible at least using xvideo yuv mode |
| 06:59.04 | timeless_mbp | cute |
| 06:59.43 | timeless_mbp | would it be practical to have speaker-notes + navigation on the n900 screen and a slide set on TV out? |
| 06:59.56 | timeless_mbp | (from a readability perspective and from a performance perspective) |
| 07:01.34 | lcukn900 | timeless, considered it, yeah it would be good to try but best is to use wireless linked apps bcause then you can walk. |
| 07:01.57 | lcukn900 | i have a nervous feeling about trusting videoout after the fail last time |
| 07:02.12 | timeless_mbp | was i there for fail? |
| 07:02.18 | lcukn900 | idk |
| 07:02.22 | timeless_mbp | where? |
| 07:02.24 | timeless_mbp | when? |
| 07:02.30 | lcukn900 | 2 devices both did not work on big screen |
| 07:02.37 | lcukn900 | 2009 summit |
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| 07:04.51 | RST38h | a'ok |
| 07:19.26 | xDaReaperx | Hello |
| 07:19.37 | xDaReaperx | is it possible to actually view the N900's screen on the laptop |
| 07:19.43 | xDaReaperx | like it's done on the TV |
| 07:19.44 | DocScrutinizer2 | lcukn900: missing 50R termination? |
| 07:20.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | xDaReaperx: vnc |
| 07:20.16 | xDaReaperx | okay |
| 07:20.19 | xDaReaperx | oh yeah |
| 07:20.21 | xDaReaperx | thanks |
| 07:20.47 | xDaReaperx | VNC is in Dev repos ? |
| 07:21.48 | xDaReaperx | nvm |
| 07:31.16 | lcukn900 | doc idk. |
| 07:31.26 | lcukn900 | boarding |
| 07:32.03 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: you around? |
| 07:32.38 | Gorroth | anyone tried using the usb host mode? aka h-e-n |
| 07:32.48 | Gorroth | i dont know where it mounts the drives |
| 07:32.53 | ebzzry | Huh? Hen is already in testing? |
| 07:33.17 | Gorroth | in devel |
| 07:33.27 | Gorroth | but it is supposedly beta status |
| 07:36.48 | RST38h | "GM stated that the 2011 Buick Regal will have the auto industry's fastest processor: 128Mhz, and 3MB of flash." |
| 07:37.24 | RST38h | [sidenote: They still produce these Regals in 2011!] |
| 07:50.57 | pupnik_ | lo |
| 07:50.58 | pupnik_ | l |
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| 07:53.41 | RobbieThe1st | Seems to me that that means they are using sloppy code; no way a car needs a processor that fast. An entertainment system or GPS etc, sure, but what is essentially a fixed-function device that just changes spark advance and fuel, and monitors a handful of sensors? |
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| 08:00.18 | timeless_mbp | hrm, graphics editors are hogs |
| 08:00.30 | timeless_mbp | closed an app using ~1.4gb of private memory |
| 08:00.33 | timeless_mbp | =ram |
| 08:03.18 | RobbieThe1st | Personally, I'd prefer them take ram/swap than use a custom cache-file; It's one thing if you are low on memory, but when you have 4GB of ram and 12 of swap, and(in my case) Gimp uses your harddisk preferentially... |
| 08:05.23 | timeless_mbp | i have 4gb of ram |
| 08:05.39 | timeless_mbp | 1gb of which is typically reserved by the kernel for my primary file system |
| 08:06.07 | timeless_mbp | waits for a web browser to garbage collect a presentations application |
| 08:06.23 | timeless_mbp | in this case though, i had a graphics app w/ 0 open documents |
| 08:06.24 | timeless_mbp | i t |
| 08:06.46 | timeless_mbp | i think it kept open its undo buffers from previously opened documents... |
| 08:07.02 | RobbieThe1st | huh, that's odd |
| 08:07.54 | timeless_mbp | it wasn't particularly helpful, i'll give you that :) |
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| 08:53.16 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 08:53.18 | xDaReaperx | guys i have easy debian |
| 08:53.33 | xDaReaperx | but when i trie to do this : ./debmee |
| 08:53.44 | xDaReaperx | it says not found |
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| 08:57.57 | Kowalczyk | hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there? |
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| 09:11.11 | Kowalczyk | hi.. probably me being stupid. but on contact screen. you can edit a user and put in a field called facebook. what do we have to type in there? or we need the facebook username so we can use that to chat with them? or what do we have to put i there? |
| 09:12.28 | TNZ | i beat on FB username instead of real name |
| 09:12.59 | Kowalczyk | ok.... so have to the fb username of every user then. or they have to create one. then I know that. thanks |
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| 09:27.41 | trumee | For some strange reason my full screen icon does move to the extreme right. |
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| 10:39.25 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer2, ping |
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| 10:40.04 | Necc | afternoon |
| 10:40.20 | Noobmonk3y_ | aghhhh ffs... |
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| 10:40.25 | Necc | there is any command witch turns ON the keyboard lightning, independent from anything? |
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| 10:40.53 | Noobmonk3y_ | pc being used by the gf's sister, who hmoved out... grrrrr..... want to move to linux today! |
| 10:41.06 | Noobmonk3y_ | necc yes |
| 10:41.29 | Noobmonk3y_ | but its on my pc which i cant get too, the script is in the tmo forums though |
| 10:42.53 | Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, ubuntu, kubuntu, xubuntu, suse etc etc? ubuntu a sensible starting point? |
| 10:43.19 | Noobmonk3y_ | bearing in min the blonde missus will be using it!! |
| 10:43.32 | SwedeMike | then ubuntu is probably a good bet. |
| 10:43.50 | MohammadAG | ubuntu!!! |
| 10:44.05 | Termana | Ubuntu? |
| 10:44.05 | MohammadAG | kde is meh, at least imo, xubuntu is for very slow devices |
| 10:44.13 | MohammadAG | suse is RPM |
| 10:44.18 | nidO | Noobmonk3y: suse's a nice place to start imo |
| 10:44.19 | Termana | You should throw like Slackware or Gentoo or Arch Linux on that thign |
| 10:44.21 | Termana | thing* |
| 10:44.22 | Noobmonk3y_ | cool, ubuntu it will be.... |
| 10:44.23 | Termana | :P |
| 10:44.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol term |
| 10:44.44 | MohammadAG | Gentoo |
| 10:44.54 | Termana | FTW! |
| 10:44.59 | Noobmonk3y_ | ive found solutions to the windows software i need :( (wine) |
| 10:44.59 | MohammadAG | I can recompile what I want, no need to recompile everything |
| 10:45.26 | MohammadAG | and I don't want to wait 10 minutes for a kernel to install |
| 10:45.31 | nidO | the ideal solution for windows software is sticking with windows :P |
| 10:45.31 | MohammadAG | and that's with -j 6 |
| 10:45.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
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| 10:45.47 | MohammadAG | hmm, might be traveling, I need to plan shit if I do |
| 10:45.47 | Noobmonk3y_ | i'm going for simple is best for my missus |
| 10:46.04 | ieatlint | people hate on gentoo too much :P |
| 10:46.06 | Noobmonk3y_ | yeah nido, but not for qt development |
| 10:46.12 | Noobmonk3y_ | and i hate vm's |
| 10:46.13 | Necc | cool... it seems that my keyboard LEDs are completely dead... fiaso+emmc reflash and they still does not work even in a darkroom |
| 10:46.24 | MohammadAG | 1) remote SSH scratchbox 2) keyboard + mouse on N900 3) Qt Creator on the N900, somehow... |
| 10:46.29 | Noobmonk3y_ | that dont sound good necc |
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| 10:46.40 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol mo |
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| 10:47.46 | Noobmonk3y_ | does itunes run in linux? :) the missus has 40gb of music :) |
| 10:47.52 | Necc | however i not found any script/command, i read that putting out the battery for a few minutes may help |
| 10:48.06 | nidO | well its not like itunes even runs in windows so you're not missing much |
| 10:48.35 | Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, can you show necc the keyboard light script pls |
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| 10:49.27 | nidO | afaik though Noobmonk3y_, itunes will run through wine |
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| 10:50.14 | frals | slaps Noobmonk3y_ around a bit with a large trout |
| 10:50.14 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y_, I really like rythmbox |
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| 10:50.25 | Noobmonk3y_ | lo frals! |
| 10:50.44 | Noobmonk3y_ | mohammadag, but i need the itunes library working |
| 10:51.35 | frals | itunes bah! |
| 10:52.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 10:52.02 | frals | throw out your apple shit Noobmonk3y! ;) |
| 10:52.02 | MohammadAG | Qt Creator sucks on a netbook |
| 10:52.03 | frals | also im getting trolled on tmo, i need to stop posting :( |
| 10:52.10 | MohammadAG | dumps idea of taking netbook |
| 10:52.19 | MohammadAG | frals, noticed that lol |
| 10:52.24 | Noobmonk3y_ | frals, trying to move to liux, vut the missus etc use itunes |
| 10:52.44 | MohammadAG | vut? you remind me of some accent :P |
| 10:52.45 | Noobmonk3y_ | i've never used or owned anything appley :) |
| 10:52.51 | frals | Noobmonk3y_: virtualbox has usb passthru |
| 10:52.57 | Noobmonk3y_ | ? |
| 10:52.58 | Necc | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=632950&postcount=14 |
| 10:53.14 | nidO | Noobmonk3y_: hes basically saying use a vm. |
| 10:53.15 | frals | Noobmonk3y: have a virtual windows in virtualbox and she can use itunes, it wont work properly in *nix |
| 10:53.22 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, he means you can run iTunes in a vm |
| 10:53.45 | Noobmonk3y_ | meh meh meh |
| 10:53.57 | Necc | i <3 the forums, type in any word, and you will find a billion topic about disgussing exactly the same problem... |
| 10:53.58 | Noobmonk3y_ | will give her a laptop ?0 |
| 10:54.21 | Noobmonk3y_ | oooo wow, necc, you fiound my post lol |
| 10:55.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | wants the gf's sis to leave so i can get on with the move |
| 10:55.23 | frals | :D |
| 10:56.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | theyre faffing ordering broadband, phone, a fridge and tv licence for over an hour! |
| 10:56.15 | frals | bah need to learn finnish so i can order another monitor for my desktop |
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| 10:58.10 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol, google translate frals? |
| 10:58.31 | frals | Noobmonk3y: it fails on https usually :( |
| 10:58.38 | Noobmonk3y_ | i have 94 19 inch screens in storage at the mo lol |
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| 10:59.35 | Noobmonk3y_ | meh |
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| 10:59.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | xchat died |
| 10:59.45 | nidO | speaking of 19 inch screens, I had to laugh at some mp's response to scottish prisoners having 19" lcd tellies being ordered for prisoners |
| 10:59.48 | frals | why the hell do you have 94 19"? :P |
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| 11:00.04 | Noobmonk3y_ | frals, i wish i knew :) |
| 11:00.15 | Noobmonk3y_ | unorganised work peoples |
| 11:00.19 | TermanaDesire | Noobmonk3y_: oh dear - TV license. Your in one of THOSE countries ;p |
| 11:00.25 | trumee | Why doesnt Copy/Paste in maemo5 work like in standard linux. Selecting a text should automatically copy to the clipboard! |
| 11:00.26 | Noobmonk3y_ | hould be shifting em next week |
| 11:00.46 | trumee | I hate this Mark text and Copy. |
| 11:00.51 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol TermanaDesire i work for the national health service (hospitals etc) |
| 11:01.14 | MohammadAG | frals, Tarvitsen 22 "Samsung monitori ja kymmenen taimenta kiitos |
| 11:01.57 | frals | 22 bah! ;) |
| 11:02.10 | Noobmonk3y | oo oyay a pc! |
| 11:02.12 | MohammadAG | ten trouts in that sentence too :P |
| 11:02.30 | Noobmonk3y | slaps Noobmonk3y_ with a big fat trout |
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| 11:03.31 | Noobmonk3y | is openoffice the best office suite on linux? |
| 11:03.40 | Noobmonk3y | and will it read most msoffice docs etc? :) |
| 11:03.41 | frals | koffice! |
| 11:03.42 | MohammadAG | yes, I think |
| 11:03.54 | Noobmonk3y | meh, koffice? |
| 11:03.59 | Noobmonk3y | aslong as one works i'll be happy |
| 11:04.33 | Necc | Noobmonk3y i <3 u! |
| 11:04.42 | Necc | your script made my lights working! |
| 11:04.49 | Noobmonk3y | lol wasnt mine |
| 11:04.54 | Noobmonk3y | you can thank MohammadAG / lcuk |
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| 11:05.00 | Noobmonk3y | one of those two had the brains |
| 11:05.13 | Necc | now that is the question how the f*ck the keyboard lights does not worked after fiasco+emmc reflash? |
| 11:05.21 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer2: ? :) |
| 11:05.28 | Noobmonk3y | thats a q for you ;) |
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| 11:05.50 | Noobmonk3y | hmmm tomtom software? lol - linux or wine'able? |
| 11:06.00 | Necc | w8 something is still bad |
| 11:06.07 | Necc | going to the darkroom again.. |
| 11:06.21 | MohammadAG | Necc, reinstall mce I suppose |
| 11:06.45 | Necc | MohammadAG: fiasco+emmc should do that right? |
| 11:07.00 | Gorroth | well, i did test the h-e-n tool |
| 11:07.00 | MohammadAG | yes, it's weird, but worth a try |
| 11:07.02 | Gorroth | seems to work |
| 11:07.12 | Gorroth | i mounted one of those "dead drop" usb sticks |
| 11:07.44 | Gorroth | but there might be a high rate of errors happening when communicating with the usb devices, because every one i tried resulted really slow speeds |
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| 11:10.09 | MohammadAG | Gorroth, it's not a desktop :P |
| 11:10.31 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: lier |
| 11:10.35 | Noobmonk3y | OMFG! |
| 11:10.41 | Noobmonk3y | Itunes wont shut down, goes and reloads lol! |
| 11:10.50 | Noobmonk3y | piece of crap |
| 11:10.51 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, ok, the N900 is a desktop :P |
| 11:11.20 | MohammadAG | that's a disgrace to crap |
| 11:12.15 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 11:12.36 | Necc | and keyboard lights still on even after reboot \:D/ ... and now comes the damn long process of restoring the system... |
| 11:12.47 | Noobmonk3y | lol necc |
| 11:12.58 | Noobmonk3y | right, back to the n900 - i'm ready for the buntu rebuild! |
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| 11:16.42 | Noobmonk3y | waves g'bye, wish me luck! |
| 11:16.59 | MohammadAG | good luck |
| 11:17.05 | MohammadAG | you're gonna need it :P |
| 11:17.12 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:17.14 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: yes, it's not a desktop, but you'd expect no more errors on a fully functioning USB host mode controller. i know it's beta and just thought the feedback would help |
| 11:17.29 | Gorroth | s/errors on/errors than on/ |
| 11:17.43 | MohammadAG | Gorroth, hmm? errors? didn't notice those |
| 11:17.55 | MohammadAG | I did notice slow speeds, but that's kinda normal imo |
| 11:18.13 | Gorroth | well, i just assume there are errors. the kernel was saying some things about it. i just assumed there were bit errors or device errors happening and causing resets |
| 11:18.14 | SpeedEvil | how slow |
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| 11:18.39 | Gorroth | well, it was really really slow. i noticed the most problems when i tried to do "cp -r" |
| 11:18.41 | MohammadAG | 20 minutes to copy 2.46GBs to a sandisk flash |
| 11:18.42 | Gorroth | HOWEVER |
| 11:18.57 | SpeedEvil | Copying small files can be slow |
| 11:18.58 | Gorroth | i also noticed it didn't work too quickly when i just did a simple "find /media/sda1" |
| 11:19.16 | Gorroth | so maybe it's just slow traversing the file system on those devices. i'm not sure what the real issue is |
| 11:19.39 | SpeedEvil | First step. |
| 11:19.44 | SpeedEvil | Try same from desktop |
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| 11:20.04 | Gorroth | by "not work too quickly", i mean i didn't even see "find" show me even a single file name. |
| 11:20.05 | SpeedEvil | then do speed tests of the raw block device from desktop and n900 |
| 11:20.09 | Gorroth | after 3 minutes |
| 11:20.30 | Gorroth | SpeedEvil: well, i don't think i need to do that, because the n900 was orders of magnitude slower |
| 11:20.34 | SpeedEvil | Did you log the errors? |
| 11:20.44 | Gorroth | SpeedEvil: hmm, my n900 might have somewhere |
| 11:20.45 | SpeedEvil | Also - try with another USB stick? |
| 11:20.50 | Gorroth | yeah, i tried 3 sticks |
| 11:21.11 | Gorroth | i was noticing the errors in dmesg |
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| 11:21.33 | Gorroth | btw, i'm not saying "this sucks". i'm just providing feedback |
| 11:21.47 | Gorroth | it did let me do some really basic stuff on one of those dead drops |
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| 11:24.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | eeeeek installing |
| 11:26.02 | MohammadAG | yay, broke my Qt install |
| 11:26.29 | Necc | with easy debian? |
| 11:26.41 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 11:26.57 | Noobmonk3y_ | mohammadag did you install windows? |
| 11:27.02 | Gorroth | what does easy debian do anyway? |
| 11:27.19 | Noobmonk3y_ | Gorroth, erm, runs a cut debian os |
| 11:27.22 | Necc | with easy debian you can simply kill your QT apps in maemo |
| 11:27.27 | Noobmonk3y_ | ieatlint, desktop |
| 11:27.47 | Noobmonk3y_ | ooops |
| 11:27.56 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y_, no, I upgraded the SDK |
| 11:27.59 | Noobmonk3y_ | sorry ieatlint didnt mean to mention you |
| 11:28.04 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol mohammadag |
| 11:28.16 | Gorroth | oh, i see |
| 11:28.31 | Gorroth | maemo and the n900 is already slow enough. i don't think i'd want another OS inside my OS |
| 11:28.48 | Noobmonk3y_ | gorroth, it also allows you to run openoffice etc directly on the n900 albeit a bit slow |
| 11:29.06 | MohammadAG | mind you, it's only a chroot |
| 11:29.06 | Necc | the image file (debian-m5-v3d.img.ext2) mounts and uses /home/user paralelly with maemo. if you change any QT specific settings inside debian LXDE, you will simply kill the maemo QT apps interface too |
| 11:29.40 | MohammadAG | fuck, maemo target gone |
| 11:29.48 | Gorroth | openoffice is definitely not something i'd want to run even on a desktop |
| 11:29.49 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 11:30.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | Gorroth, works pretty well tbh |
| 11:30.06 | Necc | no |
| 11:30.07 | Gorroth | no, it does not |
| 11:30.25 | Necc | openoffice caused data loss with M$office 2003 files |
| 11:30.29 | Noobmonk3y_ | Gorroth, how do you know my opionion? it does for me.... |
| 11:30.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | opinion* |
| 11:30.41 | Gorroth | no, it's just a fact it isn't good |
| 11:30.52 | Gorroth | that's why i've got Pages, latex, and MS Word |
| 11:31.21 | Noobmonk3y_ | that sounds saucey to me (a non linuxy user, well for 5 more mins) |
| 11:31.36 | Necc | well openoffice not compatible with MSoffice, whatever they saying, but it is still usefull for simple document editing |
| 11:31.45 | Noobmonk3y_ | hmmmmm |
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| 11:32.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | any linux office suites that will open ms files? |
| 11:32.06 | Gorroth | yeah, i'm so non-linux that i didn't use it on my desktop for over 5 years and use it in many forms today |
| 11:32.20 | Gorroth | like, you know, on two phones |
| 11:32.26 | Gorroth | and servers, and what not |
| 11:32.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | ? |
| 11:32.38 | Noobmonk3y_ | me you numpty not you |
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| 11:32.46 | Termana | Noobmonk3y_, OpenOffice works fine I have no fucking idea what Necc is talking about |
| 11:32.48 | nidO | yeah Noobmonk3y_, openoffice. it has problems with like 0.05% of ms office content, and will tell you when that's the case |
| 11:32.48 | Gorroth | whatever that means |
| 11:33.02 | Necc | Noobmonk3y_: with openoffice you can read MS office files, but if you do not want to risk any data loose/incompatibility after, do not write/save it |
| 11:33.03 | Noobmonk3y_ | cool, ty nidO , Termana |
| 11:33.20 | Gorroth | yeah, Necc is right |
| 11:33.27 | Noobmonk3y_ | Gorroth, i was saying i'm not a linux user, wasnt talking about you! |
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| 11:33.37 | Gorroth | Noobmonk3y_: oh. i misunderstood |
| 11:33.45 | Noobmonk3y_ | yup, noticed lol |
| 11:34.03 | Noobmonk3y_ | i'm currently installing ubuntu lol, hence the 5 minutes part |
| 11:34.25 | Necc | i'm talking about my boss installed openoffice (under linux), edited a corporational .xls file with important datas inside, saved it, and the next day we wasn't able to find a tons of data inside the .xls file because stupid idiot openoffice DELETED DATA FROM THE XLS FILE that's what i'm talking about, if i wasn/t clear before |
| 11:34.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | and hence the open office q's |
| 11:35.07 | Noobmonk3y_ | Necc, tbh, ms office kills its own files quite happily, doesnt need more hlp from OO hehe |
| 11:35.07 | nidO | Necc so you mean when it asked him what data format to save it as, he selected odf or something rather than its' original excel format. |
| 11:35.14 | nidO | luser error doesnt make oo shit |
| 11:35.25 | Termana | nidO, do you smell what I smell? |
| 11:35.38 | Termana | nidO, smells like.... |
| 11:35.40 | Termana | sniffs |
| 11:35.41 | Necc | OMG it wasn't an user error, deal with it |
| 11:35.45 | Termana | Yep it is |
| 11:35.52 | Necc | IT WAS NOT! |
| 11:35.52 | Termana | WE GOTS US SOME WINDOWS FANBOIS |
| 11:35.58 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 11:36.09 | Noobmonk3y_ | sits back n laughs |
| 11:36.27 | Necc | i'm fucking pissed now, i'm so happy that some retarded people tells me i lie... thanks alot |
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| 11:36.54 | Noobmonk3y_ | and all i did was ask a few q's lol! |
| 11:36.56 | Necc | just to make you linux fanbios sure: we reproduced the dataloss! |
| 11:37.03 | Termana | All the MeeGo people leave and now we get this. It's just great, it really is. |
| 11:37.09 | Necc | it was a bug and not an accident |
| 11:37.13 | Necc | but for now, i'm off |
| 11:37.19 | Noobmonk3y_ | calm down children! |
| 11:37.26 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 11:37.42 | Termana | Noobmonk3y_, I have a way of making people like me |
| 11:37.45 | Termana | :P |
| 11:37.47 | Gorroth | openoffice was an accident :-/ |
| 11:37.55 | nidO | I find the whole loonix/windaz assumptions over oo amusing, mainly as I always run oo on my WINDOWS workstation. |
| 11:37.57 | Gorroth | a terrible terrible accident |
| 11:38.02 | Gorroth | it should have been abort()'d |
| 11:38.40 | Termana | Gorroth, I see............ Lotus Notes fanboi! |
| 11:38.43 | Termana | :P |
| 11:38.53 | Gorroth | i don't even know what that looks like |
| 11:39.22 | Termana | Maybe I need to explicitly declare sarcasm tags |
| 11:39.42 | Gorroth | me too |
| 11:40.47 | Termana | ~lart Gorroth |
| 11:40.47 | infobot | blames Gorroth for all the evil in the world |
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| 11:41.34 | NooBmonk3y | is on ubuntu, tadaaaaaaaaaaaa |
| 11:41.43 | NooBmonk3y | now to set the bugger up! |
| 11:41.46 | Gorroth | that's right. now please get in line for your TSA pat-down |
| 11:42.03 | Gorroth | we will be "meeting resistance" in the groin |
| 11:42.16 | einsteinchen | NooBmonk3y: congratulation |
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| 11:42.30 | NooBmonk3y | ty einsteinchen |
| 11:42.34 | Termana | NooBmonk3y, welcome to the darkside - we have cookies |
| 11:43.08 | nidO | surely the dark side, of this channel at least, would be centos. |
| 11:43.16 | NooBmonk3y | lol brb |
| 11:43.25 | Gorroth | centoslinux is here now |
| 11:43.29 | Gorroth | watching you |
| 11:43.39 | afteris | opensuse |
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| 11:43.43 | afteris | :) |
| 11:43.46 | nidO | sure it is, i've got like 20 ssh sessions open to my centos systems |
| 11:43.46 | afteris | lovely |
| 11:43.54 | einsteinchen | Ubuntu 4 ever |
| 11:43.58 | NooBmonk3y | good xchat is now setup :) - 1 tick out of 100 lol |
| 11:44.06 | Gorroth | no, i mean centoslinux is actually in the channel, watching you do your business |
| 11:44.17 | afteris | btw very nice xchat on maemo |
| 11:44.24 | Gorroth | nooooo, xchat is terrible |
| 11:44.28 | Gorroth | on maemo |
| 11:44.36 | Gorroth | it doesn't even have a UI optimized for the device |
| 11:44.41 | Termana | Gorroth, I am going to kick your arse bitch |
| 11:44.45 | afteris | what better? |
| 11:44.46 | Termana | :D |
| 11:45.00 | Termana | xchat on Maemo is the best mobile IRC client |
| 11:45.01 | Termana | EVAR |
| 11:45.01 | NooBmonk3y | Gorroth, do you actually like anything? :P |
| 11:45.13 | afteris | i think so |
| 11:45.15 | Termana | NooBmonk3y, your mum |
| 11:45.24 | afteris | :D |
| 11:45.26 | Termana | Just sayin. |
| 11:45.35 | NooBmonk3y | Termana, thats a bit of sick necrophilia i'd say |
| 11:45.52 | Termana | NooBmonk3y, oh. ouch. sorry |
| 11:45.57 | NooBmonk3y | ;) |
| 11:46.14 | Gorroth | NooBmonk3y: yes. i like OS X, my nexus one, my girlfriend, my dogs, my car, my life, mostly things related to me |
| 11:46.24 | NooBmonk3y | meh fair enough |
| 11:46.30 | Termana | OS X and Nexus One |
| 11:46.33 | Termana | That said it all |
| 11:46.40 | Termana | :P |
| 11:46.45 | Gorroth | yeah, it said i'm practical :) |
| 11:46.48 | NooBmonk3y | may i ask, if not rude, why #maemo? |
| 11:46.57 | einsteinchen | Mac fail -.- |
| 11:47.18 | Gorroth | i have an n900 |
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| 11:47.26 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm first things first to move the window menubar buttons back to the right lol |
| 11:47.28 | NooBmonk3y | oh cool :) |
| 11:47.31 | einsteinchen | Gorroth: you'll never be free again with OS X ^^ |
| 11:47.44 | NooBmonk3y | einsteinchen, don't start him off lol |
| 11:47.47 | Gorroth | einsteinchen: yeah, i'm so not free, i'm not using macports and foss software on it |
| 11:47.54 | Gorroth | it's just terrible |
| 11:48.21 | einsteinchen | Gorroth: don't get me wrong, im just not into mac, thats all ;) |
| 11:48.24 | NooBmonk3y | amnesty international will be saving you shortly ;) |
| 11:48.47 | Gorroth | einsteinchen: yeah, i figured |
| 11:48.58 | Gorroth | isn't amnesty international a fund for hobos? |
| 11:49.18 | nidO | uh |
| 11:49.44 | Gorroth | oh, human rights. close enough. hobos have rights too |
| 11:49.47 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 11:51.14 | einsteinchen | Gorroth: why are you using an android phone and OS X? |
| 11:51.44 | einsteinchen | why not an iPhone too? |
| 11:52.02 | danu | guys , one video clip is missing in my N900 , is there any way of recovering it , btw my phone went off several times due to lack of power |
| 11:52.06 | nidO | wheres the relationship? |
| 11:52.12 | nidO | phone != computer |
| 11:52.14 | Gorroth | i just like how OS X lets me have a fully functioning unix system while still letting me do all the fun desktop things everyone on windows and os x an do without all the hassles i had for >5 years on a linux desktop |
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| 11:52.28 | Gorroth | and i use android becuase it's just plain better than the iphone, which i did use for 1.5 years or something |
| 11:52.45 | Gorroth | oh, except for making money. i made way more cash on iphone apps than android |
| 11:53.11 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm how to set auto join channels in xchat? |
| 11:53.24 | einsteinchen | ok |
| 11:53.27 | MohammadAG | favorites |
| 11:53.35 | Gorroth | i like my google maps on android and other things it can do |
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| 11:53.55 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging is it good or can it be improved? |
| 11:54.02 | einsteinchen | yea, thats great, i have a HTC Magic |
| 11:54.13 | einsteinchen | but its a bit slow ^^ |
| 11:54.25 | NooBmonk3y | wow MohammadAG , gimme an hour or so, will install qt and try it! :) |
| 11:54.32 | Gorroth | yeah |
| 11:54.49 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, how do i set xchat to autojopin channels? |
| 11:54.57 | einsteinchen | but im using CM 6, thats the fastest OS for now |
| 11:55.00 | NooBmonk3y | s/autojopin/autojoin |
| 11:55.03 | Gorroth | speaking of linux desktop though, i wanna get my big desktop setup with kubuntu, but only if the ATI drivers are any good for my SLI'd GPUs |
| 11:55.23 | einsteinchen | and next week, im getting my N900! :) |
| 11:55.29 | NooBmonk3y | einsteinchen, yay!! |
| 11:55.29 | Gorroth | and if i can run starcraft 2 under it or a win 7 VM at good rates on ultra settings |
| 11:55.42 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, right click a channel and add to favs |
| 11:55.53 | einsteinchen | NooBmonk3y: ty |
| 11:56.04 | iDont | Gorroth: ATI drivers for a SLI setup? |
| 11:56.21 | NooBmonk3y | ty MohammadAG |
| 11:56.23 | Gorroth | einsteinchen: i honestly don't think you'll like using the N900 over your android phone for everyday phone-and-date kinds of things. it's just not as usable like that. i do find it to be a really good pocket computer with a 3g modem though |
| 11:56.37 | Gorroth | s/phone-and-date/phone-and-data/ |
| 11:57.15 | Gorroth | iDont: yeah, i have a Radeon 5750 and Radeon 5770 working in tandem via SLI (sort of like they work as one card) |
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| 11:57.27 | NooBmonk3y | yay works |
| 11:57.35 | NooBmonk3y | brb reboot |
| 11:57.36 | maybeWTF | the correct marketing term is "crossfire" for amd |
| 11:57.40 | einsteinchen | Gorroth: i dont want to replace my android, maybe later, if the n900 works fine for me |
| 11:57.51 | iDont | Gorroth: You know SLI is the multi-GPU technology from Nvidia? ATI uses Crossfire |
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| 11:58.38 | Gorroth | whatever. it's just semantics. they're both the same idea |
| 11:59.00 | iDont | yep :P |
| 11:59.12 | Gorroth | :) |
| 11:59.30 | alterego | Oh great, battery is on critical. Don't have a charger ... |
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| 11:59.43 | alterego | I wonder if I can use the N800 as a charger |
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| 11:59.51 | Gorroth | lol |
| 12:00.06 | Gorroth | i wonder if the TSA would let you through security with those connected together |
| 12:00.09 | iDont | alterego: IIRC there is a video showing the N8 charging the N900 |
| 12:00.11 | Gorroth | might look suspicious |
| 12:00.23 | Gorroth | ahem... "suspicious" |
| 12:00.30 | alterego | I don't have an N8 |
| 12:00.43 | Gorroth | oh, i'd like an N8, but only if it had meego |
| 12:00.52 | Gorroth | and if meego was further along in development |
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| 12:01.03 | iDont | Well, as both the N8 and N800 have USB host mode? |
| 12:01.18 | iDont | Or am I wrong there? (don't own a N800) |
| 12:01.29 | alterego | Yeah, does. |
| 12:01.35 | alterego | Well N8 has OTG |
| 12:01.51 | Gorroth | if meego ends up with a great voice nav app and sync'ing to google email/calendar, i think we'll be in business on my ened. that could replace my nexus one. i'd also like USB OTG and all that other fancy stuff too |
| 12:02.14 | Gorroth | alterego: N900 also has rudimentary OTG; i tested it tonight. still slow though |
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| 12:02.22 | Gorroth | but getting there! |
| 12:02.37 | alterego | No it doesn't |
| 12:02.42 | SpeedEvil | N900 does not have OTG |
| 12:02.47 | SpeedEvil | OTG is not host mode. |
| 12:02.51 | Gorroth | oh |
| 12:02.57 | alterego | It has hacked USB host mode |
| 12:02.59 | Gorroth | i thought OTG was basically just host mode |
| 12:03.04 | alterego | No |
| 12:03.16 | Gorroth | ok |
| 12:03.37 | alterego | OTG is a usb specification designed for devices that are portable and want to switch between being a host and a peripheral. |
| 12:03.54 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh thats better, max/min/close buttons back to the right! |
| 12:03.59 | alterego | It's a spec that the N900 doesn't adhere to. |
| 12:06.19 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging how about now? :) |
| 12:06.49 | MohammadAG | I have an N900, and it's not exactly rocket science |
| 12:06.54 | MohammadAG | err, N8 too |
| 12:06.59 | pexi | Gorroth, nokia c7 |
| 12:07.04 | MohammadAG | I charged an N900 from another N900, so what? |
| 12:07.13 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i think we need to work on a separate page for each file explaining the lines, options etc and what they do |
| 12:07.14 | MohammadAG | (yes, I really tried that) |
| 12:07.21 | Gorroth | pexi: huh? |
| 12:07.58 | pexi | Gorroth, that's a nice smartphone with better keyboard than n900 |
| 12:08.01 | alterego | Well, I'm lacking anything wkith a micro usb connector. |
| 12:08.06 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, manual pages(!) |
| 12:08.11 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 12:08.16 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: for the usb host mode on the n900, is it using standard linux drivers for that or a patched kernel? |
| 12:08.33 | Gorroth | i might take a look at the driver and see if i can track down what's making it slow for me |
| 12:08.34 | alterego | A patched kernel |
| 12:08.45 | Gorroth | okay |
| 12:08.49 | NooBmonk3y | lol MohammadAG |
| 12:09.12 | Gorroth | pexi: ah, okay. i wouldn't know, as i only have one nokia device |
| 12:09.22 | SpeedEvil | Though if you have kernel hacking skills, you are welcome to look at the patches. |
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| 12:10.32 | Gorroth | yeah, i have a bit, but not as much as the guy that wrote the original patch |
| 12:10.37 | Gorroth | but i will still look at it |
| 12:10.39 | pexi | Gorroth, though c6 is cheaper |
| 12:10.39 | NooBmonk3y | any recommendations for ubuntu ftp client software? |
| 12:10.56 | alterego | ftp |
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| 12:11.14 | Gorroth | pexi: hmm, okay. i'm confused why you're telling me though; i'm not looking for other nokia phones or any phones for that matter :) |
| 12:11.20 | Gorroth | ncftp |
| 12:11.33 | pexi | yeah, c6 is the phone, c7 was touchscreen |
| 12:12.03 | pexi | well. if u want voice nav with googleapps |
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| 12:12.09 | Gorroth | ahhhh, okay |
| 12:12.10 | pexi | offline voicenav |
| 12:12.16 | pexi | and real keyboard |
| 12:12.31 | pexi | well maybe the n9 or e7.. |
| 12:12.37 | Gorroth | well, i'm going to wait for the N9 to see what it has. i already have the nexus one so don't need anything else for normal phone/data use for now |
| 12:12.46 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, e.g dh_install - install files into package build directories |
| 12:13.17 | pexi | Gorroth, k |
| 12:13.20 | Gorroth | or if meego on the n900 comes with that stuff, that'll be good too. i probably won't buy an n9 then and will just wait for the next gen after that |
| 12:14.54 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, i found out what was going wrong with NickServ btw |
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| 12:17.35 | MohammadAG | k, charged a device from the N900, do I get a noble piece prize? |
| 12:18.55 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, yes |
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| 12:19.49 | BCMM | what we really need is USB network adaptor support, so we can connect two n900s together and SSH to one over USB then SSH back to the other over wlan |
| 12:19.50 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, you know how much of a noob i am.... |
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| 12:20.05 | Termana | MohammadAG, normally it's PEACE prize, but I suppose you can go tell everyone you brought PIECE - expect the police on your door though |
| 12:20.14 | NooBmonk3y | Downloaded qt, and trying to run in ubuntu - getting "There is no application installed for executable files" |
| 12:20.54 | NooBmonk3y | i dloaded the linux 32 file btw |
| 12:21.41 | NooBmonk3y | anyone? :| |
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| 12:23.16 | nidO | NooBmonk3y: does the install file have +x? |
| 12:23.44 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh |
| 12:23.45 | NooBmonk3y | ty |
| 12:23.54 | NooBmonk3y | changed the permissions to allow it to run lol |
| 12:23.58 | NooBmonk3y | didnt expect to have to do that! |
| 12:24.08 | BCMM | pretty sure linux is at version 2.something, not 32 |
| 12:24.09 | BCMM | ducks |
| 12:24.19 | NooBmonk3y | quacks |
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| 12:24.55 | nidO | the message isnt really clear, its basically telling you the system cant execute the file itself (no permissions) and there's nothing else on the system thatll execute the file so it doesnt know what to do with it |
| 12:25.10 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh, |
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| 12:25.17 | NooBmonk3y | is just to used to windows, download and run |
| 12:25.34 | NooBmonk3y | i understand the permissions thing, just really didnt expect to have to set it to be 'runnable' |
| 12:25.55 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm buntu also seems to be running quite slow meh |
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| 12:26.42 | BCMM | NooBmonk3y: it's a very good system imho |
| 12:27.00 | BCMM | an execute permission prevents all sorts of problems |
| 12:27.04 | NooBmonk3y | sure it is :) - i'm just gonna hit randoms that i'm not used to this week :) |
| 12:27.12 | BCMM | for example, it makes it pretty hard to accidentally execute an email attachment |
| 12:27.24 | NooBmonk3y | trying to tell the gf about this is gonna be hard! |
| 12:28.11 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm external hard disk not recognised :| eeeeek |
| 12:28.25 | NooBmonk3y | probably because it was setup in wodnows, but it has all my stuff on it :| |
| 12:28.28 | NooBmonk3y | windows* |
| 12:28.49 | NooBmonk3y | ahhh found it |
| 12:31.02 | HRH_H_Crab | hello maemo users. |
| 12:31.32 | MohammadAG | alterego, got any examples on Qt daemons? :) |
| 12:31.37 | HRH_H_Crab | im a new user, just come to hang out and learn more about the system / N900. :) |
| 12:32.54 | NooBmonk3y | welcome HRH_H_Crab :) :) |
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| 12:33.53 | NooBmonk3y | good place to learn btw ;) - although alot of this room are currently at the meego conference :P |
| 12:34.15 | nidO | silly windows user. its a channel, not a room. |
| 12:34.25 | HRH_H_Crab | well, that brings me on to a (possibly) interesting question... |
| 12:34.58 | NooBmonk3y | :) |
| 12:35.06 | HRH_H_Crab | ive added extras-devel (for pc-connectivity-manager) and now i have a linux framebuffer boot display, which mentions uboot |
| 12:35.14 | NooBmonk3y | nidO, on ubuntu do i need to add anything to get qtcreator to connect to the n900 - hmmmmmmm |
| 12:35.16 | NooBmonk3y | can ping it fine |
| 12:35.36 | HRH_H_Crab | i presume that im now in a position to do something with meego on my mmc and i can dual boot? |
| 12:35.58 | HRH_H_Crab | im not really planning to do it yet. |
| 12:35.58 | NooBmonk3y | HRH_H_Crab, have to admit, not done the meego thing yet :| - someone here has i'm sure lol |
| 12:36.06 | HRH_H_Crab | just learning how the device works. |
| 12:36.13 | NooBmonk3y | there is a wiki guide somewhere |
| 12:36.21 | nidO | HRH_H_Crab: yes, if you've installed uboot you can get meego going, im not terribly current on it but afaik ill still need to be installed to an SD card, not the emmc |
| 12:36.33 | HRH_H_Crab | aah |
| 12:37.13 | HRH_H_Crab | its a pretty amazing device. |
| 12:37.29 | NooBmonk3y | it is very very cool! |
| 12:37.32 | HRH_H_Crab | im used to things like zaurus and nslu2 but to have this sort of control over a phone is kind of overwhelming. |
| 12:37.38 | NooBmonk3y | had mine almost a year, still learning new stuff :) |
| 12:37.45 | nidO | it's keyboard is crummy though :( |
| 12:37.49 | NooBmonk3y | lol nidO |
| 12:38.00 | HRH_H_Crab | nidO: i have massive fingers |
| 12:38.13 | HRH_H_Crab | and im finding it a bit uncomfortable |
| 12:38.14 | nidO | i'd literally empty out my bank account to nokia for the n900's internals in an E90, and with a working mail client. |
| 12:38.17 | NooBmonk3y | cant get QT to speak to the n900 :( |
| 12:38.17 | HRH_H_Crab | but it is getting a bit better |
| 12:38.23 | NooBmonk3y | ssh is on, device is pingable :| |
| 12:38.40 | nidO | can you ssh to it? |
| 12:38.55 | NooBmonk3y | erm, hold on let me try |
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| 12:39.54 | NooBmonk3y | nidO, yes |
| 12:40.11 | NooBmonk3y | ahaaaaaaaaaa |
| 12:40.15 | NooBmonk3y | developer password not working |
| 12:40.18 | NooBmonk3y | that may b why! |
| 12:40.28 | nidO | that would help |
| 12:40.37 | MohammadAG | reset it |
| 12:40.39 | MohammadAG | muhahaha |
| 12:40.49 | NooBmonk3y | reset it, but still denied |
| 12:40.50 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:41.12 | NooBmonk3y | but qt is working |
| 12:41.14 | NooBmonk3y | lol yay! |
| 12:42.22 | NooBmonk3y | thanks nidO |
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| 13:01.48 | NooBmonk3y | is back |
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| 13:33.41 | tugrik | anyone here use GPE calendar? |
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| 13:38.15 | aep | any app around that triggers the camera after a delay? |
| 13:38.20 | aep | for maemo5 that is |
| 13:38.29 | NooBmonk3y | not sure, good q though |
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| 13:41.32 | blubbi | Hi, can anyone tell me why http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/www2sms/1.1.5/ keeps telling "Warning: This package has missing dependencies!" |
| 13:41.52 | nidO | because the package has a missing dependency |
| 13:42.38 | blubbi | nidO: no it has not |
| 13:42.46 | blubbi | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/python-mechanize/0.2.4maemo0/ |
| 13:43.01 | blubbi | is also in devel-overlay so it does not have a missing dep |
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| 13:43.59 | Devvv | guys how do I get rid of U-boot? :< reinstalling the kernel-flasher doesn't work |
| 13:44.01 | blubbi | so where is the logic behind this message? |
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| 13:52.57 | MohammadAG | <aep> any app around that triggers the camera after a delay? |
| 13:52.58 | MohammadAG | <aep> for maemo5 that is |
| 13:53.02 | MohammadAG | cli launcher I think |
| 13:53.06 | MohammadAG | or something, it's in the repos |
| 13:53.17 | MohammadAG | but it delayed a bit too much that I missed two shots once, so I removed it |
| 13:53.28 | MohammadAG | would rather take more time to start the flash than take more time to open the camera |
| 13:54.34 | aep | hmmh cli not a bad idea |
| 13:54.38 | aep | i had no idea you can do that |
| 13:54.51 | aep | i hope i dont have to use some dbus thingy? |
| 13:55.11 | aep | got docs? |
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| 13:56.09 | slonopotamus | started rebasing diablo patches on top of 2.6.22 |
| 13:56.23 | slonopotamus | -omap1, actually |
| 13:58.37 | NooBmonk3y | blinks |
| 13:58.52 | NooBmonk3y | wonders how the meego conference is going :) |
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| 13:59.54 | slonopotamus | 2.6.21 blocks some stuff from updating (and things will get worse over time). we already lost ability to upgrade udev, bluez, network-manager |
| 14:00.04 | NooBmonk3y | brb reboot |
| 14:00.45 | slonopotamus | noob, windozer? :) |
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| 14:05.02 | sivang | what do we have in infobot to represent the current sad state of affairs with Maemo, I need a quick text (short) that shows the sarcastic view dos1 always provides |
| 14:05.05 | sivang | err |
| 14:05.15 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: ^ |
| 14:05.22 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: ^ |
| 14:05.43 | sivang | S/dos1/ DocScrutinizer51 / |
| 14:05.49 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 14:05.54 | sivang | :) |
| 14:07.12 | sivang | he showed me once how to speak with it in private |
| 14:07.14 | sivang | how do I do that? |
| 14:07.18 | sivang | (with infobot ) |
| 14:07.37 | sivang | PMs infobot |
| 14:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~kick sivang |
| 14:08.55 | infobot | ACTION kicks sivang |
| 14:09.46 | jacekowski | http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-white/item24 |
| 14:09.49 | jacekowski | my next phone |
| 14:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: are you drunk? or on mushrooms? |
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| 14:13.23 | NooBmonk3y | lol jacekowski !!! |
| 14:13.27 | NooBmonk3y | i like! |
| 14:13.38 | jacekowski | 3 weeks battery life |
| 14:13.48 | NooBmonk3y | more if you keep it turned off :) |
| 14:14.05 | NooBmonk3y | brb pizza! |
| 14:15.54 | trumee | What special does mussorgsky does that media-player sees all album art? |
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| 14:16.46 | derf | Well, he wrote "Pictures at an Exhibition", so presumably... |
| 14:16.55 | trumee | I want to do whatever it does using easytag. |
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| 14:17.53 | MohammadAG | Suppose I'm using dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"filebox" to open filebox, how would i pass arguments with dbus? |
| 14:18.06 | trumee | I have tagged all my music using easytag, but mediaplayer only sees some of the album-art. After updating it using mussorgsky it sees all album art. What is it doing special? |
| 14:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ROTFL for the pictograms on green and red X-P |
| 14:18.47 | luke-jr | NooBmonk3y: actually, no |
| 14:19.08 | luke-jr | NooBmonk3y: if you turn it off, and only on when you use it, the battery will go faster than just leaving it idle when not in use |
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| 14:19.13 | NooBmonk3y | lol! |
| 14:19.21 | derf | jacekowski: I prefer http://www.johnsphones.com/store/johns-phone-business/item45 |
| 14:19.33 | NooBmonk3y | so tunr it off now, and back on in 6 weeks? i count that as, well not functional, but lasting longer lol |
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| 14:19.44 | luke-jr | the power to boot/shutdown significantly outweighs the power used left idle |
| 14:19.49 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: depends |
| 14:20.01 | luke-jr | NooBmonk3y: maybe if you don't use it regularly |
| 14:20.11 | luke-jr | NooBmonk3y: but remember that batteries DO discharge on their own, if not used |
| 14:20.16 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: the claimed 3 weeks standby are BS when traveling anyway |
| 14:20.43 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: sure. but 3 weeks is quite possible if you only use it occasionally, and never online |
| 14:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 14:21.02 | luke-jr | before I got a SIM card, I saw battery life that long |
| 14:21.20 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 14:21.29 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: a bit hungry, but just that :) |
| 14:21.42 | DocScrutinizer | 3 weeks is possible with N900 and mugen, but ONLY if you *never* move the device so no cell handovers |
| 14:22.21 | luke-jr | I was using standard battery. |
| 14:22.34 | luke-jr | and again, no SIM ⺠|
| 14:22.49 | luke-jr | the battery barely moves if you leave it in Offline Mode still |
| 14:23.13 | luke-jr | so like I left my N900 at my wife's apartment last night⦠just had her put it in Offline Mode |
| 14:23.20 | luke-jr | bet it will be still full battery when I go get it |
| 14:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 14:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | it will be next to full in a week |
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| 14:24.39 | luke-jr | wonders what the rate of idle discharge is, in comparison with normal battery discharge over time |
| 14:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | N900 idle, no TX? |
| 14:25.19 | luke-jr | actually, a couple of times, I've seen the battery level *increase* in Offline Mode⦠|
| 14:25.21 | luke-jr | right |
| 14:25.26 | luke-jr | completely 100% idle |
| 14:25.36 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 5mA |
| 14:25.43 | luke-jr | I was thinking a % |
| 14:25.52 | NooBmonk3y | lol - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11742236 |
| 14:25.55 | luke-jr | like it discharges at 200% the rate of no-connect-on-battery or such |
| 14:26.00 | luke-jr | or maybe less |
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| 14:26.40 | luke-jr | ponders if ARM can make a SoC that runs off solar power on a handheld |
| 14:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | self-discharge of LiIon isn't really bad, maybe 5..10%/month |
| 14:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | 5mA is easy, eh? |
| 14:27.12 | DocScrutinizer | ~ 1350 / 5 |
| 14:27.12 | infobot | 270 |
| 14:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~270 / 24 |
| 14:27.29 | infobot | 11.25 |
| 14:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | I bet with suspend to ram you get even much better values |
| 14:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: ^^^? |
| 14:28.20 | aep | whut, the camera is a v4l device? that solves things ... |
| 14:28.34 | DocScrutinizer | aep: actually, yes |
| 14:28.39 | luke-jr | lol |
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| 14:29.48 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: for such funny things like marathon standby record hunting, you should disable things like breating light, and make sure g-meter is "off" |
| 14:30.32 | luke-jr | how about h-meter |
| 14:30.39 | luke-jr | or i-meter |
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| 14:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: so what makes you think my sarcasm is targeted against a suggested sad state of maemo? |
| 14:32.24 | jacekowski | luke-jr: depends how fast you want it to be |
| 14:32.38 | jacekowski | luke-jr: my ARM based fluke meter lasts over 100h on 6x AA |
| 14:32.49 | derf | luke-jr: Don't forget the e-meter. |
| 14:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: actually I think maemo is in better shape than any of the alternatives |
| 14:32.57 | luke-jr | j-meter |
| 14:33.12 | derf | For optimal power saving, make sure to keep your thetan levels low. |
| 14:33.22 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: Gentooâ¼â¼! |
| 14:33.34 | khertan_ | luke-jr, LFS ! |
| 14:33.47 | luke-jr | OpenMoko! |
| 14:33.54 | jacekowski | ubuntu |
| 14:34.00 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: i-meter and j-meter are in bq27200 and can't get disabled |
| 14:34.01 | luke-jr | glares at jacekowski |
| 14:34.14 | DocScrutinizer | if only I knew what's h-meter |
| 14:34.22 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: I was making up crap. |
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| 14:35.21 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: and I took you on a ride by taking you serious |
| 14:35.41 | luke-jr | DocScrutinizer: see, this is why OpenMoko failed! |
| 14:35.47 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 14:36.16 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: nono, you got my wrong :) |
| 14:36.28 | luke-jr | steals sivang's wrong from DocScrutinizer |
| 14:36.35 | sivang | hehe |
| 14:36.39 | alterego | contemplates making a little Qml tips & tricks web page. |
| 14:36.44 | luke-jr | feeds it to derf |
| 14:36.51 | sivang | heh |
| 14:37.47 | SpeedEvil | aep http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Camera_Sensor |
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| 14:41.35 | MohammadAG | why doesn't X restart when it's killed on the N900... |
| 14:43.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: because you enabled R&D ? |
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| 14:44.43 | MohammadAG | without R&D it restarts the device, not X |
| 14:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: actually the J-meter is *not* in bq27200 or bq24150. Rather it's the ALS |
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| 14:46.06 | MohammadAG | also, got filemanger to auto open after a flash is mounted, mount.sh of course, on exit 0 of mount |
| 14:46.11 | StyXman | I¶ve been looking in the wiki if there is a way to test maemo in an emulator, but couldn't find anything relevant. is it possible? |
| 14:46.26 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, buntu is a bit slow and laggy :| |
| 14:46.46 | MohammadAG | not an emulator, but natively, yes |
| 14:46.49 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 14:46.49 | infobot | well, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 14:46.55 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, blame your PC! |
| 14:47.04 | NooBmonk3y | well, tisnt great but was perfectly fine on w7 |
| 14:47.05 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 14:47.16 | alterego | Well, it does have an emulator too :) |
| 14:47.16 | NooBmonk3y | just playing a flash game, and aghhhhhhhh |
| 14:47.33 | MohammadAG | oh, that's flash itself, not ubuntu :P |
| 14:47.39 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, h-meter is implemented by N900fly |
| 14:47.42 | MohammadAG | flash isn't graphically accelerated on linux afaik |
| 14:47.48 | NooBmonk3y | ohhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:47.52 | NooBmonk3y | no wonder its pants |
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| 14:48.26 | Macer | h meter? |
| 14:48.43 | NooBmonk3y | h meter? |
| 14:48.56 | MohammadAG | free fall? |
| 14:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: well, my X restarts iirc, though it actually restarts the whole device :-P |
| 14:49.03 | Macer | need 7 sats for that? |
| 14:49.09 | SpeedEvil | No - h meter measures planks constant. |
| 14:49.17 | Macer | SpeedEvil: hahahaha |
| 14:49.24 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yep, as I said above |
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| 14:49.31 | MohammadAG | I only want X to restart |
| 14:50.17 | Macer | SpeedEvil: right now the h meter is running a simulation of the universe collapsing to understand its formation better? |
| 14:50.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: given the number of elementary services started as x-session processes, I'd think it's probably impossible to restart X properly without a full reboot |
| 14:51.14 | MohammadAG | wfm on ubuntu :P |
| 14:51.27 | Macer | best theory i heard was that we were actually within the event horizon of a huge black hole :) |
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| 14:51.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: or at least that's been the rationale of Nokia devels, when they implemented it that way |
| 14:52.03 | derf | Macer: The universe has approximately the right density for one. |
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| 14:54.23 | NooBmonk3y | arghhh darn flash on ubuntu |
| 14:54.26 | NooBmonk3y | its ruining my golf game! |
| 14:56.52 | nidO | enjoying your windows alternative? :p |
| 14:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: you know it's possible to tunnel across the event horizon |
| 14:57.46 | MohammadAG | indeed it is, I've done it once |
| 14:57.57 | DocScrutinizer | of course for a black hole the size of our universe, this effect is *extremely* rare |
| 14:58.44 | NooBmonk3y | nidO, all apart from a) not got the windows progs running yet, b) external hard disk is hidden (well not easy for the missus to find), c) flash is rubbish! |
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| 14:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | for black holes the size they think they see in LHC, this tunneling effect reduces lifespan of the entity to less than is needed to acregate a single new elementary particle |
| 15:03.41 | roadi | does anyone know how to flash the n900 if the flasher does not find the n900? (i did the apt-get dist-upgrade... :( ) |
| 15:03.52 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 15:03.58 | NooBmonk3y | but lol to running that |
| 15:03.59 | nidO | flash it using a system that isnt win7 x64 |
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| 15:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: start flasher, then plug in powered-off N900 |
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| 15:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: see Bekenstein-Hawking radiation |
| 15:11.35 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer stop lying to people |
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| 15:12.40 | RST38h | Doc: Accept the Tentacled One, you heathen! |
| 15:12.59 | kerio | cthulhu or the FSM? |
| 15:13.13 | kerio | OR BOTH?!?! |
| 15:13.31 | ZogG | roadi, download ubuntu live cd |
| 15:13.37 | ZogG | and use flash manual |
| 15:13.40 | ZogG | ~flashing |
| 15:13.41 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:13.48 | ZogG | ~flash |
| 15:13.48 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:13.55 | MohammadAG | kerio, chtulhu |
| 15:14.52 | jase21 | Hi, Is there anything in particular that I should look when buying a Nokia N900.? |
| 15:15.04 | RST38h | Hehe, some libertarian fools propose to make the busiest air travel day of the year "the national opt-out day" where everyone opts out of the scanner and goes to strip searchers |
| 15:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: err |
| 15:15.32 | RST38h | Speaking of shooting oneself in the foot... |
| 15:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | that's :o) |
| 15:16.31 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Ok. |
| 15:16.36 | ZogG | i would liek to volontuer to work at this day |
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| 15:16.48 | jase21 | Software errors right? |
| 15:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: ok what? |
| 15:16.59 | ZogG | jase21, yes there are made in china and korea |
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| 15:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: sorry, I don't get your point |
| 15:18.21 | jase21 | If Maemo boots and if there isn't any glitch, I can assume that its fine. Is there any way to detect errors in specific? |
| 15:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | which errors? |
| 15:19.06 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: You meant error isn't it? err <- error? |
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| 15:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: it's been suggested to check FM TX immediately after purchase, as there've been 2 reports (or 3) about the transmitter not working in hw |
| 15:20.15 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: I meant errrhm |
| 15:21.04 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Hah! Okay. I misinterpreted it. Okay, I'll test that. |
| 15:21.44 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: but there's nothing special you can actually do. Just test the device thoroughly in all aspects, not too long after purchase |
| 15:22.26 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Okay. |
| 15:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | headphones, FMTX, FMRX, WLAN, CIR, PC connectivity (USB)... |
| 15:22.55 | DocScrutinizer | BT |
| 15:22.57 | ZogG | jase21 just don't buy it |
| 15:23.01 | ZogG | buy something else |
| 15:23.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, is there a better way? : |
| 15:23.03 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | grep version | awk '{print $7}' | sed 's/version_hostmode=//g' |
| 15:23.03 | MohammadAG | 20101110 |
| 15:23.08 | ZogG | buy nexus1 |
| 15:23.13 | ZogG | =) |
| 15:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 15:24.40 | jase21 | What? Nexus1? Why? Is it better than N900? |
| 15:25.13 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Okay, all the hardware functionality |
| 15:25.16 | RST38h | Mohammad:Integrated your change. Will sendto autobuilder tonight, if everything is ok |
| 15:25.19 | SpeedEvil | All the keyboards. |
| 15:25.26 | SpeedEvil | All the letters I mean |
| 15:25.30 | RST38h | jase21: Yes, it is way better, go buy it. |
| 15:25.37 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yay :D |
| 15:25.45 | RST38h | (and then you become someother forum's headache) |
| 15:26.59 | jase21 | Nope. I'm not liking Android. I like GNU/Linux so that I can program using GTK+ and pure C. I hate evil Java. |
| 15:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: echo "xxx ccc vvv bbb version_hostmode=12345"|sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/' |
| 15:27.37 | RST38h | jase: Ok, then buy yourself a GNU/Linux |
| 15:27.58 | jase21 | RST38h: Heh! Maemo ;) |
| 15:28.10 | RST38h | Maemo is not Gnu =) |
| 15:28.12 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /proc/driver/musb_hdrc | grep version | sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/' |
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| 15:28.14 | MohammadAG | 20101110 |
| 15:28.14 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:28.16 | MohammadAG | thanks even |
| 15:28.58 | jase21 | RST38h: Isn't it built on top of Debian? Atleast I don't have to jailbreak. Isn't it? |
| 15:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: forget grep version |
| 15:29.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, err, if I did that I'd get all lines from /proc/driver/musb_hdrc |
| 15:30.31 | jase21 | RST38h: I'm seriously asking, is there any problem with N900. I'm going to shell out a lot of money, and I don't want to be disappointed. |
| 15:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: umm, I see |
| 15:31.09 | RST38h | jase: Of course there is a problem! |
| 15:31.30 | jacekowski | jase21: it's not built on top of debian |
| 15:31.41 | jacekowski | jase21: only thing common with debian is package manager |
| 15:31.48 | roadi | DocScrutinizer: ZogG i have installed the .deb file - and the flasher is waiting for the device... i've read the wiki. |
| 15:32.00 | jase21 | Oh |
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| 15:33.02 | RST38h | it is built on top of msdos |
| 15:33.13 | jase21 | jackowski: Oh, so does it differ a lot from the desktop (conventional Linux)? |
| 15:33.14 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:33.49 | jase21 | Hmm.. DOS hah! |
| 15:34.06 | jase21 | Why do you say to get an Android? |
| 15:34.45 | nidO | jase21: it uses busybox rather than a full shell, and it uses hildon as its' desktop environment |
| 15:35.13 | jase21 | Yes, hildon is based on GTK+ |
| 15:35.58 | jase21 | I don't have any first hand experience using or programming for N900. I did a little research & read some doc. |
| 15:36.33 | kerio | meh, you use qt or gtk+ for the GUI |
| 15:36.41 | kerio | it's closer to desktop linux than anything else |
| 15:37.15 | jase21 | kerio: Yes. I prefer GTK+. Not a big fan of C++. |
| 15:38.38 | kerio | pyqt! |
| 15:38.43 | MohammadAG | sigh, why does the Qt SDK installer fail on Ubuntu. |
| 15:38.55 | kerio | or pyside |
| 15:39.12 | MohammadAG | kerio, Python sucks |
| 15:39.15 | kerio | lies! |
| 15:40.09 | MohammadAG | Can not find '/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/cache/arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux_x86_64.tar.bz2' -- no such file. |
| 15:40.12 | MohammadAG | the fuck |
| 15:41.44 | NooBmonk3y | whats a decent dynip style app for ubuntu? |
| 15:41.53 | NooBmonk3y | or dyndns* |
| 15:42.09 | RST38h | Mohammad: Is there a Linux where it does not fail? |
| 15:42.15 | NooBmonk3y | fail |
| 15:42.21 | MohammadAG | oh, wrong architecture |
| 15:42.30 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 15:43.08 | MohammadAG | I forgot I downloaded it for the netbook which was 32-bit |
| 15:43.15 | jase21 | :D |
| 15:43.18 | RST38h | Thou shalt use only geniune Intel hardware! |
| 15:43.25 | RST38h | ;) |
| 15:43.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:43.54 | MohammadAG | throws a broadcom card at RST38h |
| 15:44.08 | RST38h | disgusting! |
| 15:44.15 | alterego | yuk |
| 15:44.22 | MohammadAG | it was meant as an insult |
| 15:44.24 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 15:44.33 | RST38h | (ok, ok, it could have been RaLink or, sigh, SiS) |
| 15:44.51 | MohammadAG | throws a RaLink at RST38h |
| 15:45.05 | MohammadAG | cuddles the atheros card he has in the netbook |
| 15:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: echo -e "sdf\neagdaf\nsedsd version_hostmode=12345"|sed 's/.*version_hostmode=\(.*\)/\1/; t done; D; : done; q' |
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| 15:46.45 | aep | can i disable automatic window switching on the hildon wm somehow? or is there an alternative wm? |
| 15:46.56 | MohammadAG | wow, nice! |
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| 15:47.13 | MohammadAG | aep, not to my knowledge, at least not if you edit the source |
| 15:47.22 | aep | right. thanks |
| 15:47.51 | jase21 | Anyone preferring Android ? |
| 15:48.04 | RST38h | We all LURRRRVE Android |
| 15:48.20 | jase21 | Heh. |
| 15:48.21 | RST38h | So green, so cuddly, you can stroke that Dalvik VM for hours! |
| 15:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | andridiot? yeah, adore |
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| 15:49.00 | jase21 | AndroO.. hah! |
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| 15:49.28 | RST38bis | somebody please /msg me |
| 15:49.29 | jase21 | Seems like we have a couple of RSTs |
| 15:49.29 | nidO | well from a consumer point of view android does just mostly work, is pretty functional, and ofc has its' good tie-ins to google's services |
| 15:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: except for a few weirdos, everybody here bought a maemo device beause they prefer maemo |
| 15:50.33 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Yes, that's what I expected before someone told Android. I think RST38h bought AndroO. |
| 15:50.37 | RST38bis | c9l |
| 15:50.41 | RST38bis | cool |
| 15:51.01 | MohammadAG | RST38h, testing my patch? thou dare doubt my work! |
| 15:51.18 | RST38h | Mohammad: Have to be sure, before submitting it to AB |
| 15:51.48 | RST38h | BTW, how do I turn off the mo#$%$%ng feature of not repeating keys in PR1.2+? |
| 15:52.37 | jase21 | nidO: Yes, for normal customers. |
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| 15:54.16 | DocScrutinizer | next one to say SiS gets ~lart |
| 15:54.43 | MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true |
| 15:54.58 | jase21 | ~SiS |
| 15:54.58 | infobot | sis is probably lame. Silicon Integrated Systems |
| 15:55.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart jase21 |
| 15:55.15 | infobot | explains, ever so gently, that if jase21 doesn't give the channel more information, they can't help |
| 15:55.16 | RST38h | Aahahaha |
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| 15:55.28 | RST38h | I now know the person who suggested this misfeature: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5421 |
| 15:55.30 | jase21 | What does lart means? |
| 15:55.30 | povbot | Bug 5421: keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number |
| 15:55.35 | RST38h | Mohammad: thanks =) |
| 15:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf lart |
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| 15:57.02 | jase21 | Did infobot warn me something? |
| 15:57.26 | MohammadAG | I so hate that bug RST38h |
| 15:57.28 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: nevermind |
| 15:57.39 | MohammadAG | it's one of those bugs that should've stayed as a WONTFIX |
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| 15:58.14 | jase21 | DocScrutinizer: Oh! Relieved. I'm a bit new to the whole irc thing. |
| 15:58.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart Alia Merali, for bug #5421 |
| 15:58.33 | infobot | follow's Alia Merali, with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION for bug #5421 |
| 15:58.34 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/5421 keys when long pressed should give the blue symbol/number |
| 15:58.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 15:59.02 | RST38h | Mohammad: Instead, the keyboard layout switch bug stayed ad WONTFIX |
| 15:59.04 | RST38h | as |
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| 15:59.57 | RST38h | Mohammad: Forcing large slices of world population set their n900s to Russian keyboard |
| 16:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | WONTFIX?? INVALID escalated WTF?! BS! |
| 16:01.25 | RST38h | loves how most half-assed policy decisions start with "wouldn't it be nice..." |
| 16:01.35 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 16:01.54 | RST38h | Hell, every time I see these words, I can almost feel the clusterfuck coming. |
| 16:02.00 | aep | you'd be suprised how fast crap like that ends up on a requirements list |
| 16:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | thinks his MTHEL automatic target detection needs a new pattern |
| 16:02.07 | RST38h | Yea... |
| 16:02.56 | aep | considers opening a bug "it would be nice if you'd revert that" |
| 16:03.13 | DocScrutinizer | which tells us quite a bit about who's in charge to write those requirement specs |
| 16:03.43 | RST38h | Doc: It took them less than 2 months to add this "feature" |
| 16:03.49 | DocScrutinizer | aep: GOOO! |
| 16:04.05 | jase21 | Is there anyone who doesn't use a screen protector? |
| 16:04.13 | DocScrutinizer | me |
| 16:04.27 | jase21 | ok. |
| 16:04.34 | DocScrutinizer | new screen is ~60EUR |
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| 16:04.58 | jase21 | oh, didn't know the screens could be replaced. |
| 16:05.23 | nidO | i dont have one |
| 16:05.37 | jase21 | Will any Nokia Care center do that? |
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| 16:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:05.57 | jase21 | Okay. |
| 16:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | though you add another 40 bucks on top for the dude doing it |
| 16:06.17 | nidO | if you're brave/competant enough you can just buy the screen and do it yourself and not have to pay an assload more |
| 16:06.41 | jase21 | yes, got it. ;) heh. |
| 16:07.16 | RST38h | Doc: Not around here |
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| 16:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm amazed you're even *allowed to own* any Nokia |
| 16:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | (you==people of Russia) |
| 16:08.36 | jase21 | Did anyone get Flash 10.1 working :( ? |
| 16:09.12 | RST38h | Doc: Yea, yea, and the bears prowling the street, and no refrigerators... |
| 16:09.21 | jase21 | RST38h: You are not allowed? Are you in school or something where phones aren't allowed? |
| 16:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | all a conspiracy of Putin and UPS |
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| 16:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | and customs of course |
| 16:10.09 | DocScrutinizer | they sent the bears |
| 16:10.12 | RST38h | Doc: Actually, if I remember correctly, they are not allowed to own Nokia stock here |
| 16:10.39 | RST38h | Doc: Not that it stopped anyone willing to trade on the stock market from doing so, of course |
| 16:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | well, actually I'm even more amazed COCOM has allowed to ship N900 *to* Russia ;-) |
| 16:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | you could use it to simulate fission |
| 16:12.26 | RST38h | I amsure some eurobureaucrat will get fired for this sooner or later. |
| 16:12.37 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 16:13.16 | jase21 | things Russians are deadly. ooh |
| 16:13.36 | aep | RST38h, DocScrutinizer: #11577 although i'm 100% certain no one gives a shit. At least it made me smile. |
| 16:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | envisions a secret lab in Ural, with a 50.000 N900 beowulf |
| 16:14.03 | DocScrutinizer | bug #11577 |
| 16:14.05 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11577 keys when long pressed should repeat the key |
| 16:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | I'll vote for that |
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| 16:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 16:14.34 | RST38h | aep: thanks |
| 16:14.34 | jacekowski | jase21: there is no flash 10.1 |
| 16:14.36 | RST38h | votes |
| 16:14.42 | jacekowski | jase21: for maemo |
| 16:14.47 | jacekowski | jase21: only for android |
| 16:14.50 | RST38h | jacekowski: well, there is ... |
| 16:15.09 | jase21 | jacekowski: okay, but Kevin Lynch demoed it once. |
| 16:15.20 | jacekowski | it's TI internal version |
| 16:15.22 | jase21 | May be Adobe care less |
| 16:15.26 | RST38h | Not really |
| 16:15.39 | jase21 | okay. |
| 16:15.43 | RST38h | It is Adobe's version that it compiled for ARMv7 arch for evaluation purposes |
| 16:15.44 | jacekowski | RST38h: that flash somebody linked here is a fake |
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| 16:17.00 | jase21 | Is the Mozilla browser html 5 compatible? |
| 16:17.18 | jase21 | (the one in N900)? |
| 16:18.04 | jacekowski | no |
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| 16:18.14 | jacekowski | nothing is html 5 compatible |
| 16:18.20 | jase21 | ok |
| 16:19.20 | RST38h | btw, what is the best way to resize /opt? |
| 16:20.11 | jacekowski | modify eMMC image |
| 16:20.34 | Necc | resize mmcblk0p2 |
| 16:20.59 | Necc | http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29 |
| 16:21.12 | jase21 | One doubt: Is maemo based on any distro? Apart from the package management which is .deb? |
| 16:21.13 | jase21 | Did Nokia made it from scratch adapting the linux kernel to its hardware? |
| 16:21.29 | jacekowski | jase21: it's not |
| 16:21.54 | jacekowski | jase21: they adapted lot of debian conventions |
| 16:21.56 | jase21 | jacekowski: Means its a custom one, right? |
| 16:22.04 | alterego | yeah, it's custom |
| 16:22.18 | jacekowski | but that's all |
| 16:22.39 | jase21 | oh. okay. |
| 16:24.57 | jase21 | Heard that MeeGo is using .rpm. Nokia pushing Qt, and Intel favoring GTK. Doesn't know where it ends up. |
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| 16:27.10 | jase21 | Is there something you would say that Maemo is lacking & you wish you had that ? |
| 16:27.39 | Necc | nop |
| 16:27.58 | jase21 | okay. May be I can think of making something along with my learning of GTK. |
| 16:27.59 | Necc | for N900 Maemo 5 is simply the best OS at the moment |
| 16:28.22 | Necc | other OSes lacks a lot in functionality or efficiency |
| 16:28.26 | RST38h | Necc: thanks |
| 16:28.36 | jase21 | okay. Any applications in particular? |
| 16:28.44 | Necc | for? |
| 16:28.54 | jase21 | N900 (Maemo)? |
| 16:28.59 | RST38h | for repartitioning hints url |
| 16:29.53 | jase21 | RST38h: Are you from Russia? |
| 16:29.53 | Necc | RST38h: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/n900/pt_table |
| 16:30.23 | Necc | this file contains partition table for ~7GB /home, if you wish use that |
| 16:34.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 16:34.57 | jase21 | Is it possible to shut down a core if you have a dual core processor? Any idea? Just asking? (not maemo specific) |
| 16:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 16:35.43 | alterego | Compile a kernel without smp support :) |
| 16:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | there are OS specific means |
| 16:36.12 | jase21 | No, I must be able to use both, just in power saving mode or like that. |
| 16:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 16:36.28 | jase21 | Doc: okay |
| 16:37.00 | DocScrutinizer | in PSM there are all CPUs disabled |
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| 16:37.33 | jase21 | Wouldn't it be better that Intel, ARM design it like that. An instruction that can shut that a core. |
| 16:37.53 | jase21 | doesn't know what PSM is. Googling it. |
| 16:38.30 | jase21 | What is PSM? Didn't get it/ |
| 16:38.43 | Necc | power saving mode? |
| 16:39.02 | jase21 | Ahh.. heh |
| 16:39.58 | Necc | anyway it is controlled by the hardware itself + BIOS, you can not touch this |
| 16:40.11 | jase21 | ok. |
| 16:40.42 | jase21 | I was thinking that if such thing can be made it would be better. |
| 16:40.49 | chx | i would say it depends |
| 16:41.55 | jase21 | Doc: My situation is: we choose low performance mode & it will shut some cores. Not simple reduce the clock. |
| 16:42.20 | jase21 | Doc: In PSM, the system sleeps. Right? |
| 16:42.27 | chx | I know that the Santa Rosa platform could do it |
| 16:42.34 | chx | and Mac laptops were doing it |
| 16:42.40 | chx | but the results were quite absymal |
| 16:42.47 | jase21 | oh. |
| 16:42.49 | chx | your screen and wifi eats so much more power than a core. |
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| 16:42.57 | ShadowJK | I don't remember if it's i3/i5/i7, or Phenom I or II that can run cores at different speeds and even have one core in deepest C-state while another is awake |
| 16:43.16 | jase21 | cool! |
| 16:43.26 | DocScrutinizer | run to idle |
| 16:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | google for it |
| 16:43.57 | jase21 | ok. |
| 16:44.07 | derf | ShadowJK: I doubt that's i7... all the shared caches would make that meaningless, even if true. |
| 16:45.07 | derf | Also a fun fact: putting the CPU into deep sleep states makes the built-in Intel GPU slower, because of the shared memory controller. |
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| 16:46.13 | ShadowJK | I guess on x86 it still slows down the memory controller too :/ |
| 16:46.18 | ShadowJK | and caches |
| 16:46.22 | pupnik | for those deep-sleep gaming extravaganzas |
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| 16:47.24 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, "run to idle" seems the wrong term. SpeedEvil, can you help me out? |
| 16:47.48 | derf | "Race to idle" |
| 16:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.lesswatts.org/projects/applications-power-management/race-to-idle.php |
| 16:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | thanks |
| 16:49.22 | jase21 | In Santa Rosa, caches (L2) can be completely shut down. |
| 16:50.15 | DocScrutinizer | jase21: ^^^ been for you |
| 16:50.52 | jase21 | yes. I'm reading that article. |
| 16:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | same principle applies to disabling cores |
| 16:51.18 | RST38h | deathmarch to idle! |
| 16:51.29 | jase21 | umm.. ok. |
| 16:51.36 | RST38h | AKA starve whoever you can |
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| 16:55.56 | jase21 | Is there heat dissipation in N900? Its an internet tablet (close to a pc). So how is it managed. I guess fan mechanism isn't appropriate. |
| 16:56.41 | jase21 | And no cooling circuits (liquids), right? Any idea? |
| 16:57.11 | NooBmonk3y | jase21, by using as little power as possible lol :P |
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| 16:57.46 | Kegetys | convection |
| 16:59.12 | jase21 | okay, that's reasonable answer. But if its clocked to 1GHz, that the rate at which it takes place might be slow. |
| 16:59.59 | jase21 | Will that damage the system? |
| 17:00.26 | jase21 | I read that overclocking may brick (hard) the device. |
| 17:00.54 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, correct kernel API checking added |
| 17:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cool :-D |
| 17:02.21 | DocScrutinizer | now implement the same in preinstall script and rise a notifier warning when kernel doesn't support hostmode. Allow installation of h-e-n GUI nevertheless |
| 17:02.25 | alterego | Wow, My N900 has been lasting ages. |
| 17:02.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, with dependencies on kernel-feature-usbhost? |
| 17:03.01 | MohammadAG | anyone can add that to Provides: |
| 17:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: hmm, I'm indecisive about that |
| 17:03.58 | alterego | Bored, wanna write a small Qml app but can't think of anything. |
| 17:04.25 | jase21 | remeembers that MohammadAG is working on Host-mode USB. He saw the maemo talk posts. Good people! He doesn't recognize other names. |
| 17:04.35 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 17:04.49 | MohammadAG | I'm only working on the UI, credits to Paul for the patches |
| 17:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: AIUI power kernel has "Provides: kernel-feature-usbhost"? Then probably we should use that instead of the preinstall check |
| 17:05.23 | MohammadAG | yup |
| 17:05.39 | jase21 | ok. I meant DocScrutinizer, and R.38h etc |
| 17:05.59 | jase21 | I think they are having different usernames. |
| 17:05.59 | MohammadAG | RST38h isn't paul lol |
| 17:06.05 | MohammadAG | Paul isn't here, he hates #maemo |
| 17:06.14 | jase21 | Heh. |
| 17:06.45 | pupnik | http://cdn0.lostateminor.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/funny-iphone-app-2.jpg Social Networking |
| 17:07.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, do you know of a way to remove applets from the status menu? |
| 17:07.07 | MohammadAG | want to remove the battery one |
| 17:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | edit the friggin (XML) config file |
| 17:07.39 | DocScrutinizer | there's some somewhere, I occasionally run into it |
| 17:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 17:07.51 | MohammadAG | without killing the status menu right? |
| 17:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | check what apps adding an applet do |
| 17:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | like simple brightness, load |
| 17:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | but maybe that's just for the menu, don't know |
| 17:09.02 | MohammadAG | I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets |
| 17:09.05 | MohammadAG | status* |
| 17:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | for sure it's not the method of choice for *dynamically* enable and disable applets |
| 17:10.28 | jase21 | Hey, heard that facebook is going to launch email service tomorrow (Monday). Excited? |
| 17:10.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'm a poor source of info for that. Please ask @* |
| 17:10.50 | alterego | jase21: not really, there are loads of email services .. |
| 17:11.02 | alterego | Some would say too many ... |
| 17:11.11 | MohammadAG | done |
| 17:11.17 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, just move the desktop file :D |
| 17:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | duh, that simple? |
| 17:11.43 | jase21 | alterego: Heh! okay, not all of them are good. I find only gmail as good ones. |
| 17:11.50 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu# mv status-area-applet-battery.desktop / |
| 17:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | dynamically, w/o reboot? |
| 17:11.58 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 17:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | FFS :-D |
| 17:12.16 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> I think the stutus menu watches the directory of applets |
| 17:13.08 | MohammadAG | now we don't have to worry about users thinking the battery is low, there is no battery applet muhaha |
| 17:13.22 | jase21 | :D |
| 17:13.36 | DocScrutinizer | I'd feel much better if a dynamic temporary switch-off of e.g batery applet would auto-revert on boot time |
| 17:14.00 | MohammadAG | it would go back when closing the app |
| 17:14.24 | MohammadAG | i.e disable bme -> remove applet, enable bme -> bring it back |
| 17:14.51 | MohammadAG | actually, bring back applet then enable bme, as if battery is empty, enabling bme may cause a shutdown if battery is empty -> applet lost |
| 17:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so if you do such tweaks, make sure you have a init script run on boot, to mv /mytempappdeact/* /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu |
| 17:15.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://i52.tinypic.com/33e3hv9.jpg |
| 17:15.35 | MohammadAG | why? it's done upon closing the app |
| 17:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | what if I remove the battery? |
| 17:16.07 | MohammadAG | you got me :P |
| 17:16.30 | MohammadAG | if only the N900 was an N8, you wouldn't be removing batteries then would you?! :P |
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| 17:18.24 | MohammadAG | hmm, bad news |
| 17:18.35 | jase21 | ? |
| 17:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't work :-P |
| 17:18.46 | MohammadAG | when moving the .desktop file back, the applet doesn't show in the status menu |
| 17:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 17:18.54 | MohammadAG | it shows in the extended one, but not the small one |
| 17:19.40 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
| 17:19.45 | NooBmonk3y | ok right, back to qt |
| 17:19.59 | NooBmonk3y | omg (looking up) its the Mo & Doc Show.... |
| 17:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | and now special appearance of the sidekick |
| 17:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 17:22.37 | pupnik | http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo << ever saw that one? |
| 17:23.12 | chus | Hi, |
| 17:23.12 | chus | I have a doubt. |
| 17:23.12 | chus | Is there an equivalent function for hildon_mime_open_file in python? |
| 17:23.15 | MohammadAG | oh well, killall it is |
| 17:24.26 | jase21 | pupnik: nice. |
| 17:24.38 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can you confirm killall hildon-status-menu doesn't cause a reboot? |
| 17:25.35 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 17:27.17 | jase21 | will get back later. He says #maemo is awesome. |
| 17:27.30 | jase21 | Good night guys! Bye. |
| 17:27.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: be aware that's not exactly a lightweight operation, and may cause side effects. I got "connect" sound |
| 17:27.51 | jase21 | Will see later. |
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| 17:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ...so you don't want to use that for making battery icon flash :-P |
| 17:29.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, connect? |
| 17:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | the green dot |
| 17:30.11 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 17:31.09 | MohammadAG | takes a couple seconds to start again |
| 17:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: basically all applets are restarted - obviously. Some may do things on restart you didn't expect |
| 17:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | like playback sounds |
| 17:31.59 | MohammadAG | I see |
| 17:32.06 | DocScrutinizer | some may massively misbehave |
| 17:32.17 | MohammadAG | no cleaner way sadly :/ |
| 17:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 17:32.43 | MohammadAG | till jrbme is out at least |
| 17:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | just make sure there's a gconf or whatever to disable that |
| 17:32.58 | geaaru | hi, i have update my n900 but now i have problem with audio, if i try to call alsamixer i have unale to connect to pulseaudio server |
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| 17:33.08 | geaaru | where can i found some logs? |
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| 17:35.33 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mount.sh now checks if mount was successful, if so, it opens the file manager (as per N8) |
| 17:36.05 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I'd hate that |
| 17:36.11 | MohammadAG | also, unmounting is done when the app is closed |
| 17:36.38 | MohammadAG | before VBUS is stopped of course |
| 17:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | what if umount fails? |
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| 17:38.31 | MohammadAG | it's better than no umount :P |
| 17:39.02 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I'd hate that |
| 17:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 17:39.05 | MohammadAG | suggestions? |
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| 17:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | not really, as I gather "mount" is a temporary thing anyway. So I don't bother too much what it's doing |
| 17:40.53 | MohammadAG | yep, it should be temporary, till ke-recv is hit on the head |
| 17:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:41.05 | MohammadAG | but that's what N8x0 did afaik |
| 17:41.12 | MohammadAG | at least from the vids I saw |
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| 17:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea |
| 17:41.42 | opdf2 | how long does it take to charge empty n900 battery connected mass usb storage? |
| 17:42.06 | opdf2 | Is there a charge difference between PC suite and USB mode? |
| 17:42.48 | Macer | ugh. i still have a cold. sucks |
| 17:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | look, why would I want to see that HFM BS when I plug in a stick with a video? I'd prefer to see the media file in media player (hmm a really bad example, but you might get the idea) |
| 17:43.07 | Macer | but at least it only happens like once every 3 years or so.. so i should be ok |
| 17:44.11 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yeah, but auto handling of that isn't on the N8x0 afaik, or the N8 (or even my PC :P) |
| 17:44.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, and really, you want tracker to look for videos and open them? :P |
| 17:44.32 | RST38h | actually,I would suspect seeing ANY extra "helpful" shit when inserting USB drives is a bad idea |
| 17:44.41 | MohammadAG | "HFM BS" is faster than tracker, by a bit |
| 17:45.11 | RST38h | Mohammad,Doc: By the way, as I am sending the new version of xchat to AB, do you want me to do anything extra with cehteh's notification plugin? |
| 17:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (umount) ...actually is a function you could argue has to be in h-e-n. So I suggest you pop up a list with processes that have file handles to the device. So user can close them and retry to umount |
| 17:45.31 | ShadowJK | AB? |
| 17:45.51 | RST38h | autobuilder |
| 17:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | make default disable, RST38h |
| 17:46.22 | MohammadAG | RST38h, nope, doesn't annoy me as it is :) |
| 17:46.54 | RST38h | hmm, ok |
| 17:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | maybe even better, make the setting persistent |
| 17:47.01 | MohammadAG | maybe making auto FM opening configurable would be better? |
| 17:47.08 | RST38h | cannot |
| 17:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | i c |
| 17:47.30 | MohammadAG | lol it's not that bad :) |
| 17:47.55 | MohammadAG | RST38h, haven't looked at xchat's code, but maybe add a GUI enable/disable option? |
| 17:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | make it an addon pkg? |
| 17:48.30 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: impossible, that would be meaningless when the plugin isn't there |
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| 17:48.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: won't do for an external plugin |
| 17:48.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 17:49.22 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, RST38h then make it check if the plugin's there at runtime, and show/hide the option :) |
| 17:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | I knew he'd say that |
| 17:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 17:49.52 | RST38h | as I said, the plugin is external, the base xchat code is not supposed to know anything about it |
| 17:49.53 | alterego | I think my N900 has lasted so long because I'm using wifi instead of 3G today .. |
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| 17:50.37 | ShadowJK | do you use irc, im (skype, gtalk, msn, etc), twitter or facbook widgets? |
| 17:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: basically the plugin is in duty to store settings to xchat.cfg |
| 17:50.57 | RST38h | Doc: Tell cehteh =) |
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| 17:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 17:51.14 | Dhraakellian | I thin kI may have screwed something up on my n900 |
| 17:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | so make it default disabled |
| 17:51.20 | alterego | ShadowJK: IM yeah |
| 17:51.31 | ShadowJK | or ~/.xchat2/maemonotify.conf |
| 17:51.34 | Dhraakellian | fortunately, I think it should be a f airly easy fix, since I can still get filesystem access through NITDroid |
| 17:51.34 | RST38h | Gerbick gets hit by the nostalgy train: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65591 |
| 17:51.35 | ShadowJK | alterego, which? |
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| 17:51.46 | alterego | facebook, msn, ovi |
| 17:52.04 | Dhraakellian | Where would the hildon desktop settings be? |
| 17:52.21 | MohammadAG | Skype's a battery rapist |
| 17:52.30 | ShadowJK | alterego, and yeah, a single byte of data transmitted is about same power draw as 10Mbit/s for 1s. All the frequent background comms adds up :-) |
| 17:52.34 | Dhraakellian | I was fiddling around with the settings tweaker and set the grid snap distance to 0 |
| 17:52.36 | ShadowJK | it's much better on edge |
| 17:52.41 | Dhraakellian | ..and I think that's what's causing trouble |
| 17:52.53 | MohammadAG | yes, it shouldn't be changed from 4 |
| 17:52.54 | Dhraakellian | although I did install mauku-widget, which also seems to have caused some trouble |
| 17:53.00 | ShadowJK | I keep my phone in 2g most of the time to reduce power cinsumption since I run xchat 24/7 |
| 17:53.02 | Dhraakellian | but not so much |
| 17:53.05 | MohammadAG | (iirc) |
| 17:53.13 | RST38h | Shadow: How long does it last? |
| 17:53.16 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: do you know what file that would be stored in? |
| 17:53.35 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini, bottom of the file usually |
| 17:53.37 | Dhraakellian | the phone keeps shutting down now, but I can fortunately still get in with NITDroid |
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| 17:55.14 | ShadowJK | RST38h, 10 hours, but that's constant xchat, 6 hours of mp3 playback, and 1-2 hours of surfing too |
| 17:55.36 | ShadowJK | day wiithout the music and web, probably |
| 17:56.02 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 17:56.42 | Dhraakellian | crud... I seem to have to edit the file directly on-device inside NITDroid, since it doesn't seem to want to actually mount on the computer |
| 17:56.54 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ack, 24h with irc only |
| 17:57.23 | DocScrutinizer | depending on traffic of course |
| 17:57.24 | ShadowJK | A bit more if I activate my powersave script on my bouncer server :-) |
| 17:58.03 | ShadowJK | (it blocks traffic to my N900 for 2 minutes, then unblocks until all pending data has been sent, then blocks 2 minutes, repeat) |
| 17:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | SHARE! |
| 17:59.27 | ShadowJK | It requires that you access irc through a bouncer, and that you have root and iptables on that server, and that your n900 has a static IP |
| 17:59.31 | ShadowJK | ;p |
| 18:00.05 | ShadowJK | so it's probably not useful to anyone else |
| 18:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | static IP :-/ .oO(??¬Ä²¼²##!@) |
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| 18:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | I dare to state I'm savvy to find a fix for that |
| 18:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | everything else 'check' |
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| 18:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway o/ |
| 18:02.12 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: I'm not seeing it |
| 18:02.17 | DocScrutinizer | -->dinner |
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| 18:03.11 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, how did you mount maemo's rootfs? |
| 18:03.23 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: I'm looking around in NITDroid |
| 18:03.45 | MohammadAG | and how would you edit maemo's rootfs with nitdroid without mounting it? |
| 18:03.53 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 18:04.01 | MohammadAG | use this http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 18:04.35 | alterego | meego .. |
| 18:04.38 | NooBmonk3y | W000t need more qt help again |
| 18:04.43 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 18:04.43 | NooBmonk3y | now ubuntu sdoesnt like it |
| 18:04.49 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:04.51 | NooBmonk3y | when trying to install qt mobility i get this http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/8sd1bt4c/Selection_001.png |
| 18:04.55 | Dhraakellian | found it under /initrd |
| 18:05.30 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-dev |
| 18:05.33 | MohammadAG | with sudo of coruse |
| 18:05.45 | NooBmonk3y | okies |
| 18:05.45 | MohammadAG | alterego, any idea how I can get scrollable QPushButtons with Qt? |
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| 18:05.55 | NooBmonk3y | scrollable pushbuttons? |
| 18:05.57 | NooBmonk3y | whatya mean? |
| 18:06.00 | alterego | Or download a decent qt-creator which comes with 4.7 |
| 18:06.02 | MohammadAG | err, course* |
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| 18:06.13 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, done that..... |
| 18:06.30 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, sorta like fapman's settings dialog |
| 18:06.35 | NooBmonk3y | i swapped to ubuntu cos it would be easier, and the only reason was qt and packaging lol |
| 18:06.36 | alterego | MohammadAG: do you mean a scrollable area with buttons in a list. |
| 18:06.44 | NooBmonk3y | meh dont use fapman |
| 18:06.44 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 18:06.52 | alterego | easy :P |
| 18:07.04 | MohammadAG | even with the designer? :P |
| 18:07.11 | alterego | Crap .. |
| 18:07.23 | NooBmonk3y | easy and crap? lol |
| 18:07.24 | tugrik | anyone fought iCal importing with gpe-calendar and won? |
| 18:07.26 | NooBmonk3y | descriptive |
| 18:07.27 | alterego | I don't have my laptop so I can't give you the source :P |
| 18:07.32 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 18:07.58 | MohammadAG | tugrik, no, I lost a limb to it |
| 18:08.04 | MohammadAG | (jk) |
| 18:08.06 | alterego | Use QScrollArea |
| 18:08.35 | alterego | Create a QWidget, use VBoxLayout, add buttons to the layout. |
| 18:08.37 | NooBmonk3y | hmm is this a device problem or local problem? |
| 18:08.38 | NooBmonk3y | /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:08.47 | NooBmonk3y | its the build error |
| 18:08.53 | NooBmonk3y | after it is supposedly running on the device |
| 18:08.54 | alterego | the use QScrollArea::setWidget(widget) |
| 18:09.02 | alterego | and that's it. |
| 18:10.50 | MohammadAG | alterego, is it possible with a QMainWindow? |
| 18:11.41 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:13: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object |
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| 18:11.50 | NooBmonk3y | meh apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative should work |
| 18:11.57 | Choom | greetings |
| 18:11.58 | NooBmonk3y | aghhhh |
| 18:12.00 | NooBmonk3y | doesnt work! |
| 18:12.17 | NooBmonk3y | apt-get install libqt4-maemo5-declarative doesnt sound good |
| 18:12.23 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, watcha doing anyways |
| 18:12.29 | NooBmonk3y | ^^ |
| 18:12.34 | NooBmonk3y | /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:12.36 | Choom | little stupid question here: if I flash the NAND do I run the risk of bricking my N900 for good? |
| 18:12.40 | NooBmonk3y | its the build error |
| 18:12.57 | NooBmonk3y | when i try to run maecount from Qtcreator on the n900 |
| 18:13.01 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, you do realize you're doing this on ubuntu, not in the SDK right? |
| 18:13.05 | NooBmonk3y | so i'm assuming somethings suddenly not on my device? |
| 18:13.18 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, still trying to run it on my device as i would in windows |
| 18:14.59 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, apt-get install libqt4-experimental-declarative on your device |
| 18:16.12 | NooBmonk3y | experimental? eeeeeeeek |
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| 18:16.27 | alterego | MohammadAG: Sure just set the mainwindows' central widget to the scroll area |
| 18:17.09 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, take a look in #meego, think he will fall for it? ;) |
| 18:17.33 | NooBmonk3y | :P |
| 18:17.50 | MohammadAG | /scratchbox/users/mohammad/home/mohammad/scratchbox/hostmode-build-maemo/../hostmode/settingswindow.cpp:14: error: cannot call member function 'void QScrollArea::setWidget(QWidget*)' without object alterego |
| 18:17.56 | alterego | Heh, I need to find someone to pick up my doggy bag and send it to me :( |
| 18:17.56 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 18:18.02 | alterego | I wanna t-shirt :( |
| 18:18.10 | NooBmonk3y | i want to win the lottery |
| 18:18.35 | MohammadAG | oh! |
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| 18:19.28 | MohammadAG | thinks he got it right, expects segfault |
| 18:19.59 | MohammadAG | ...sees nothing instead |
| 18:20.36 | NooBmonk3y | nothing is better than bollox |
| 18:20.49 | NooBmonk3y | or lcuk covered in bacon.... either is pretty bad |
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| 18:21.04 | NooBmonk3y | evening Venemo_N900 |
| 18:21.04 | Venemo_N900 | hey guys |
| 18:21.14 | Venemo_N900 | hi NooBmonk3y :) |
| 18:21.32 | MohammadAG | LOL alterego I got it scrolling sideways instead of up/down |
| 18:21.35 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, installed the experimental, still getting : /usr/local/bin/MaeCount: error while loading shared libraries: libQtDeclarative.so.4: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory |
| 18:21.41 | Venemo_N900 | I'm ashamed to ask, but where is the FM transmitter in the N900's menu? |
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| 18:21.58 | MohammadAG | Settings > FM Transmitter :) |
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| 18:22.14 | Venemo_N900 | I remember having it in Settings on the previous one |
| 18:22.22 | Venemo_N900 | but it is not there on this one |
| 18:22.56 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: that's what I thought, but it's not there |
| 18:23.28 | MohammadAG | install fmtx-faker by qwerty12 |
| 18:23.52 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I thought that was for regions in which it is disabled |
| 18:24.32 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, I r Dumbass |
| 18:24.33 | MohammadAG | well if it's not there I guess it's disabled :P |
| 18:24.52 | NooBmonk3y | QT += core gui network instead of QT += core gui network declarative in the pro file ;) |
| 18:24.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll be back home in half an hour so if you do something else for a bit I'll sort you out when I get home ;) |
| 18:25.15 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: solved it, thx |
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| 18:26.27 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: so you were missing declarative from your .pro? |
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| 18:27.03 | MohammadAG | hmm, [29106.521913] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
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| 18:29.46 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, i had it in there by accident |
| 18:29.48 | NooBmonk3y | didnt need it |
| 18:30.19 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 18:31.54 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: so what was the problem? |
| 18:35.41 | djszapi | How can I reach an 'Esc' effect on N900 ? For example I edit a file with vi, but I would like to leave the edit mode. I have got a similar Nokia phone, not N900, but with the same keypad. |
| 18:36.50 | joga | onscreen buttons? |
| 18:37.20 | joga | I mean, below the terminal window there's a row of buttons on the touchscreen, there's esc on the n900 |
| 18:37.28 | djszapi | I do not know that is I have never used onscreen buttons. |
| 18:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | qonsole (whatever TF that is) has none |
| 18:37.46 | joga | what's the "similar nokia phone"? |
| 18:37.47 | djszapi | joga: I am using Qonsole. |
| 18:37.55 | joga | ok, I dunno about that |
| 18:37.56 | djszapi | NDA, sorry... |
| 18:38.02 | kerio | WHAT |
| 18:38.08 | kerio | you have a N9, don't you |
| 18:38.19 | DocScrutinizer | then pester qonsole authors about that broken shit |
| 18:38.28 | kerio | has esc mapped to shift+fn+backspace |
| 18:38.48 | kerio | KEY COMBOS |
| 18:38.51 | kerio | \o/ |
| 18:39.09 | djszapi | I am editing a file with vi, but I cannot leave the editing mode :) |
| 18:39.19 | djszapi | to quit, write, whatever :) |
| 18:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 18:39.41 | Necc | did you tried typing ":quit" ? |
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| 18:45.18 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 has been released. See ~pr1.3 |
| 18:45.28 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, no problem now, tis working! i think |
| 18:45.30 | nidO | nokia used to use proper 5line keyboards |
| 18:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: botsnack |
| 18:45.35 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: aw, gee |
| 18:45.37 | nidO | they just seem to have been shrinking recently |
| 18:45.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf nda |
| 18:45.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~nda |
| 18:45.47 | infobot | I'm not allowed to tell you |
| 18:45.50 | NooBmonk3y | just figuring out qtmobility, as after a few days of hunting alot of what i try isnt supported on the n900 yet (like qfeedback) |
| 18:45.52 | Choom | NDA means non-disclosure agreement |
| 18:45.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's more like it :D |
| 18:46.02 | MohammadAG | Non Disclosure Agreement |
| 18:46.07 | Choom | i.e.: you talk about it and you get sued to oblivion |
| 18:46.23 | MohammadAG | polite stfu or else |
| 18:46.32 | Venemo_N900 | oh... |
| 18:46.37 | Venemo_N900 | so N9 it is |
| 18:46.45 | kerio | if nokia gives me a n9 to betatest i swear i'll post a picture for you guys here |
| 18:46.45 | Venemo_N900 | djszapi: is it nice? |
| 18:46.54 | kerio | with a "U MAD #maemo" written on it |
| 18:47.06 | MohammadAG | lol plugged the N86 to my laptop and it rebooted |
| 18:47.07 | Venemo_N900 | kerio: thx in advance :) |
| 18:47.13 | djszapi | another question, sorry. Can you jump to the desired page in the default pdf viewer ? For instance: 525. ? |
| 18:47.43 | Choom | I had a question too |
| 18:47.52 | Venemo_N900 | djszapi: it it is a prerelease device, how are we supposed to know? |
| 18:48.00 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, it's not standard, for sure, [30359.684150] EXT3-fs (loop0): error: unable to read superblock |
| 18:48.02 | Choom | was wondering if I could get my n900 bricked if I accidentally flashed over the bootloader in the NAND |
| 18:48.18 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hmm... maybe unlock it? |
| 18:48.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: <infobot> I'm not allowed to tell you |
| 18:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 18:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: nope |
| 18:49.02 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, idk the password |
| 18:49.06 | Venemo_N900 | ~botsnack |
| 18:49.06 | infobot | :), Venemo_N900 |
| 18:49.12 | Choom | so booting and pressing U works regardless of whether a bootloader is there? |
| 18:49.14 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh. |
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| 18:49.30 | MohammadAG | dds to file then formats |
| 18:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: nope |
| 18:49.42 | slonopotamus | takes his n900 to repair service tomorrow |
| 18:49.44 | MohammadAG | I'll dd it back then ask my uncle to unlock it when he's back |
| 18:49.47 | slonopotamus | again. |
| 18:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: |
| 18:49.52 | *** part/#maemo djszapi (~lpapp@hoasb-ff09dd00-244.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 18:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~coldflash |
| 18:49.56 | infobot | rumour has it, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts |
| 18:50.05 | MohammadAG | Choom, no |
| 18:50.07 | Choom | DocScrutinizer: well I guess I can't do that |
| 18:50.13 | MohammadAG | Choom, but a low level bootloader exists, that allows reflashing for half a second or less |
| 18:50.15 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: so if the bootloader is borked, this is the way to go? |
| 18:50.28 | MohammadAG | thus you need linux to cold flash, windows keep drooling for 10s before enumerating |
| 18:50.28 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: too bad. But why? |
| 18:50.37 | MohammadAG | our hostmode implementation enumerates faster |
| 18:50.37 | Choom | oh I see, and is it documented or is there software available for that? |
| 18:51.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~coldflash |
| 18:51.11 | infobot | coldflash is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts |
| 18:51.12 | MohammadAG | should be wiki'd |
| 18:51.18 | Choom | I just want to know how far I can go without ACCIDENTALLY bricking the phone permanently |
| 18:51.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *ought* |
| 18:52.05 | DocScrutinizer | Choom: as far as it gets without involving high voltage or sledgehammers |
| 18:52.16 | Choom | wow |
| 18:52.22 | Choom | that's awesome |
| 18:52.57 | DocScrutinizer | just getting increasingly involved to recover |
| 18:53.05 | Choom | does the standard flasher work for coldflashes? |
| 18:53.09 | slonopotamus | ~curse designer of n900 microusb connector |
| 18:53.09 | infobot | May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, designer of n900 microusb connector ! |
| 18:53.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 18:53.18 | Choom | great, thanks a lot |
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| 18:57.06 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: what about flamethrowers? |
| 18:57.07 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Cold_flashing_.28N900.29 |
| 18:57.11 | Venemo_N900 | slonopotamus: broken microusb? |
| 18:57.53 | Choom | kerio: I was only concerned about software-induced-bricking, so that kinda answered my question |
| 18:58.05 | kerio | or gravity |
| 18:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nice effort, but I doubt it will do ANY good on this particular page |
| 18:58.20 | kerio | can i recover the n900 if i throw it from ~15mt? |
| 18:58.28 | Venemo_N900 | kerio: gravity can kill it, for sue |
| 18:58.39 | Venemo_N900 | kerio: sure* |
| 18:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I urgently suggest to move it to a dedicated page |
| 18:58.59 | kerio | my mother's old 8310 survived a 5-stories fall without more than a scratch |
| 18:59.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: noobs are confused enough by the standard instructions there |
| 18:59.31 | Venemo_N900 | ~seen lcuk |
| 18:59.35 | infobot | lcuk is currently on #maemo #meego, last said: 'theres a group of us at the airport now sat on the bus'. |
| 18:59.35 | Necc | that's 8310, this is N900 |
| 18:59.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I doubt noobs will wipe the bootloader |
| 19:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: they will, by trying coldflash, as a last resort when "everything fails" |
| 19:00.16 | DocScrutinizer | PEBCAK |
| 19:00.22 | Necc | it will fall to pieces, receive more, then just a few scratches and has a relative high chance to become useless afterwards |
| 19:00.31 | jacekowski | Choom: but you may have to coldflash it on linux |
| 19:00.44 | Choom | that's not an issue |
| 19:00.46 | jacekowski | Choom: because windows can't enumerate it fast enough |
| 19:00.55 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: is that article done? |
| 19:01.06 | jacekowski | ~coldflash |
| 19:01.07 | infobot | i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts |
| 19:01.10 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: how many noobs do eMMC flash "just to be sure"? |
| 19:01.16 | Choom | I tend to know what I'm doing, just don't know this device in particular since I've had it for less than a week |
| 19:01.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I've never tried to move in wikis, so I suspect I might fuck up, feel free to do it :) |
| 19:01.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: guess how many do coldflash just because of it's there |
| 19:01.42 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I lost count when I divided by 0 |
| 19:01.44 | jacekowski | Choom: read that link that just appeared here |
| 19:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you really should learn to know about lemmings and noobs |
| 19:02.15 | Venemo_N900 | jacekowski: DocScrutinizer already showed him |
| 19:02.35 | Choom | and I've had "experiences of luck" in the past, while porting linux to another PDA I was lucky to not overwrite a bootloader which existence I wasn't aware at first and would have bricked the phone |
| 19:02.36 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: agreed, noobs are everywhere |
| 19:03.38 | Choom | thanks |
| 19:03.52 | DocScrutinizer | I *ultimatly* recommend keeping things like coldflash instructions off pages that are first landing zone for clueless joe avarage user |
| 19:04.14 | pupnik | using Unix shell to process audio: ft < in|awk '$2<3'|ifft > bassline |
| 19:04.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, Search and Destroy |
| 19:04.50 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: *sigh* |
| 19:04.56 | pupnik | fft < in|awk '{$2=($2*.8+l[$2]*.2);l[$2]=$2}1'|ifft > echoeffect |
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| 19:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | don't you think - when and if you're accepting you've done something suboptimal - then it'd be politically correct *you* fix it? |
| 19:05.50 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, please do it, I've never done any moving on wikis |
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| 19:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | me neither |
| 19:06.00 | MohammadAG | it is |
| 19:06.19 | MohammadAG | oh, bummer lol |
| 19:06.24 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: just make a new page, paste to it the stuff, then delete the stuff from old page |
| 19:06.34 | DocScrutinizer | hell there's c&p in your middle mousebutton, and tehre's rollback on wiki |
| 19:06.41 | pupnik | so did Dublin swallow everyone whole? |
| 19:06.51 | Choom | jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" <- that was exactly my case, but I always make sure before starting such urban legends, especially since I couldn't find anything conclusive online |
| 19:06.59 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, heh, already deleted |
| 19:08.01 | MohammadAG | meanwhile, my broadcom card starts drooling |
| 19:08.51 | Choom | I've had this phone for less than a week and it hasn't stopped impressing me |
| 19:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anyway, many thanks for caring about moving the stuff to wiki. Much appreciated |
| 19:09.14 | Choom | I'm also quite leased that unlike many other ports that I've seen, maemo's kernel is not just a hack to make it work |
| 19:09.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, can you do something in return? Fry as many broadcoms as you can |
| 19:09.27 | Choom | leased = pleased |
| 19:09.27 | jacekowski | Choom: yes it is |
| 19:09.34 | jacekowski | Choom: many hacks there |
| 19:09.43 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I'll muse about it while taking a shower |
| 19:09.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing |
| 19:09.46 | Choom | well at least the interfaces work as expected from the outside |
| 19:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: cool |
| 19:09.53 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, can you please confirm it's the correct sequence? |
| 19:10.02 | NooBmonk3y | can i ask a question about qsettings please? :) |
| 19:10.24 | NooBmonk3y | if i save the settings like follows : settings.setValue("label1", ui->label_1->text()); , how to i read it back in? |
| 19:10.37 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, value() most probably |
| 19:10.50 | MohammadAG | as with most setValue()s |
| 19:11.18 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 19:11.29 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: yes |
| 19:11.33 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: almost |
| 19:11.43 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: because phone has to stay connected and powered up |
| 19:11.49 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: to flash it |
| 19:12.05 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: so no starting it with "u" key pressed |
| 19:12.35 | MohammadAG | well obviously that won't work without a bootloader |
| 19:12.55 | jacekowski | so next thing you have to do is normal flash command with a flasher |
| 19:12.59 | MohammadAG | so after those commands, just run the flasher command to flash the bootloader? |
| 19:13.01 | jacekowski | straight after coldflash |
| 19:13.07 | jacekowski | yes |
| 19:13.34 | DocScrutinizer | best add it to cmdline with && |
| 19:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | if that works like expected |
| 19:13.56 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 19:14.01 | jacekowski | it will take a second to boot |
| 19:14.03 | jacekowski | but maybe |
| 19:14.13 | NooBmonk3y | http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png << QT Qsettings erro :| |
| 19:14.18 | DocScrutinizer | && sleep 10 && |
| 19:14.26 | MohammadAG | i.e flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo right? |
| 19:14.36 | jacekowski | something like that |
| 19:14.41 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 19:14.50 | DocScrutinizer | && sleep 10 && flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=nolo |
| 19:14.55 | jacekowski | or just -2nd -scnd |
| 19:15.00 | jacekowski | using unpacked files |
| 19:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nevertheless you might want to link to ~coldflash |
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| 19:16.49 | DocScrutinizer | always good to mention source of info, for those who want to check |
| 19:16.55 | sp3000 | does it fail without sleep? |
| 19:16.56 | sp3000 | in my experience the flasher is generally happy to wait for things to appear |
| 19:17.29 | jacekowski | sp3000: but phone will connect then disconnect and then connect again |
| 19:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | so a sleep 10 won't hurt |
| 19:18.36 | MohammadAG | sp3000, in your experience, there was a bootloader :P |
| 19:19.24 | NooBmonk3y | alterego, any ideas? -> http://img5.imagebanana.com/img/5z5jkxk0/Selection_002.png |
| 19:19.57 | MohammadAG | ~coldflash |
| 19:19.58 | infobot | i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing |
| 19:20.09 | sp3000 | quite possible :) |
| 19:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: /me is wondering wtf this ASIC might be |
| 19:21.05 | MohammadAG | ~tell NooBmonk3y about pastebin |
| 19:21.08 | MohammadAG | it's better than images :P |
| 19:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: can't really see any ASIC in schematics |
| 19:21.53 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe they call RAPUYAMA an ASIC? |
| 19:21.54 | NooBmonk3y | meh |
| 19:22.03 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, use .toString() |
| 19:22.13 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: http://www.and-developers.com/custom_recovery:mbmloader_replacement_attack |
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| 19:22.41 | NooBmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhhh |
| 19:22.43 | NooBmonk3y | ty MohammadAG |
| 19:22.49 | NooBmonk3y | tried that but in the wrong place, working now :) |
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| 19:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | WTF, kills my browser?! o.O |
| 19:23.36 | sp3000 | why unpack the fiasco before flashing, there? |
| 19:23.37 | Venemo_N900 | hi again |
| 19:23.55 | Venemo_N900 | AutoDisconnect disconnected me |
| 19:23.57 | MohammadAG | sp3000, I think you need to supply images manually |
| 19:24.04 | DocScrutinizer | KDE4, great :-/ |
| 19:24.07 | MohammadAG | since it can't find hardware revision |
| 19:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | random segfaults |
| 19:24.34 | sp3000 | but you're giving it one, so... |
| 19:25.04 | MohammadAG | also, a bit helpful for those new to packaging: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Mohammad7410/Packaging |
| 19:25.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sigh http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873275&postcount=363 |
| 19:25.47 | MohammadAG | "does hostmode work with the default kernal after the last update ? " |
| 19:25.59 | sp3000 | that is, I've never needed to unpack for cold flash |
| 19:26.11 | sp3000 | granted it may have been a different flasher |
| 19:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: flamethrower |
| 19:26.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: anyways, format of asic id is explained on that page |
| 19:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: just reading |
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| 19:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ~debian |
| 19:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you should update #1 |
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| 19:28.33 | NooBmonk3y | yay, working! |
| 19:28.54 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: bad answer to that guy |
| 19:29.09 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, -1 for me? :( |
| 19:29.11 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: you should have asked him what a 'kernal' is |
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| 19:31.01 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: :P |
| 19:32.01 | MohammadAG | feels confused :P |
| 19:33.07 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: noobs like that guy always make typos |
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| 19:33.17 | Serpent | hi |
| 19:33.43 | Venemo_N900 | hello Serpent |
| 19:34.24 | pupnik | how could i swap graphics tiles for particular ascii characters in osso-xterm? ;) |
| 19:34.27 | Serpent | I have just purchased a second hand n900 and want to know how to set it to factory defaults |
| 19:34.41 | jacekowski | Serpent: flash it |
| 19:34.57 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: see |
| 19:35.04 | Venemo_N900 | ~flashng |
| 19:35.06 | Venemo_N900 | ~flashing |
| 19:35.06 | infobot | well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 19:35.22 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: that page should help you |
| 19:36.08 | Serpent | I have read through it, but I dont know which to flash first, rootfs or eMMC |
| 19:37.04 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: it doesn't really matter (at least it worked for me whichever I did first) |
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| 19:37.22 | Serpent | whats the difference between them? |
| 19:37.44 | MohammadAG | When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image and then flash the eMMC. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! |
| 19:37.48 | nidO | rootfs is the operating system, emmc is the user storage area |
| 19:37.58 | MohammadAG | though indeed, it does not matter, just don't use -R |
| 19:38.02 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: the rootfs image willwipe the rootfs and all the system components on it |
| 19:38.24 | Serpent | then why do I need to flash the eMMC? |
| 19:38.30 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: eMMc wipes out and resets all the data on the eMMc (the 32 GB storage) |
| 19:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | Serpent: first flash eMMC, though it's written differently |
| 19:38.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'm home now, did you get that scrollable area to work? |
| 19:39.13 | MohammadAG | alterego, it's like fapman, so I'm cursing it |
| 19:39.24 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: why does it matter? |
| 19:39.28 | MohammadAG | alterego, it always shows a horizontal scroll bar |
| 19:39.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what are you cursing |
| 19:39.46 | alterego | MohammadAG: you're doing it wrong then :P |
| 19:40.02 | alterego | MohammadAG: I'll just do a mockup and upload it for you ;) |
| 19:40.02 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:40.08 | DocScrutinizer | because when booting up a fresh rootfs, you see optification. Then flash eMMC and end with borked system |
| 19:40.16 | MohammadAG | alterego, no wait |
| 19:40.19 | alterego | You want the entire mainwindow to be just a list of buttons? |
| 19:40.27 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, ! yay! |
| 19:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: other way round it's not that bad if you boot accidentally |
| 19:40.40 | NooBmonk3y | ok, sad i know, but the load and save buttons work, kinda |
| 19:40.56 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: if I'm not gonna boot up between them, does it matter which one comes first? |
| 19:41.03 | NooBmonk3y | They save them, and then load them, no kinda "save to file1" style though lol |
| 19:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 19:41.07 | MohammadAG | alterego, http://pastebin.com/cz4dDWHv |
| 19:41.13 | alterego | MohammadAG: call scrollarea->setWidgetResizable(true); |
| 19:42.06 | alterego | Remote the ScrollBarPolicy lines. |
| 19:42.13 | alterego | emove |
| 19:42.14 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: my way to deal with noobish quesions http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=586545&postcount=38 |
| 19:43.43 | MohammadAG | lol Venemo_N900 |
| 19:43.47 | MohammadAG | alterego, /me tries :P |
| 19:44.30 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: do you have a good idea for a Maemo app? |
| 19:44.37 | Kaadlajk | that scrollarea stuff is really tricky imo ;-0 |
| 19:44.45 | alterego | Venemo_N900: no, not really, it's half my problem tbh |
| 19:44.55 | alterego | MohammadAG: Also, remove setGeometry .. |
| 19:45.10 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: I would need to make one for the mobile linux applications course, but I have no idea |
| 19:45.19 | MohammadAG | alterego, Qt Creator, I don't need it as I set layouts |
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| 19:45.51 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: currently my idea is that I make a GPS tracker app, but I'd rather make something unique |
| 19:45.52 | alterego | Designer is gay, lrn2code proper :P |
| 19:46.11 | alterego | What about a GPS anti-tracker, tells you where you're not :) |
| 19:46.34 | MohammadAG | alterego, agreed, but too late to switch with 6 windows :P |
| 19:46.35 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: well every GPS tracker is an anti-tracker too |
| 19:47.02 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: it tells you that you're not in anywhere but the red dot on the map |
| 19:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: WYSIWYG is gay, lrn2use hexedit? |
| 19:47.24 | Serpent | so, eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 thats the latest bin, isnt it? |
| 19:47.49 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: if you say so |
| 19:48.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: yeah, pretty much :P |
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| 19:48.22 | Serpent | in the wiki, it says 2 images and the flasher, but I cant find the rootfs bin |
| 19:48.31 | alterego | I think everytime I've used Qt Designer, I've got pissed off and rewritten it by han. |
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| 19:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | Serpent: you need COMBINED, VANILLA, and the flasher package |
| 19:49.52 | myuu | whats a good price for the n900 at this point? |
| 19:50.27 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: why? |
| 19:50.40 | DocScrutinizer | Serpent: COMBINED is rootfs_et-al fiasco img, VANILLA is the eMMC img |
| 19:50.40 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: it makes an xml file, doesn't it? |
| 19:50.51 | alterego | Because it never seems to do what I want it to :P |
| 19:50.58 | Serpent | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 19:51.07 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: hm |
| 19:51.29 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: so far I managed to tell it what I want it to do :P |
| 19:51.52 | alterego | It's fine for really simple stuff, |
| 19:52.20 | alterego | It just starts to anny me, and all my apps tend to have custom widgets and I can't be bothered to write plugins for designer to handle them. |
| 19:52.21 | Venemo_N900 | yeah |
| 19:52.41 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: no need to write plugins for that |
| 19:53.11 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: there is a "promote to..." feature with which you can tell it about custom widgets |
| 19:54.08 | alterego | Really, interesting. |
| 19:54.16 | alterego | How do I do that then? :) |
| 19:54.41 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: right click, promote to.., then tell it the name of the class |
| 19:54.53 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: and the base class's name too |
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| 20:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you might consider to actually "never again subscribe to any tmo thread" (reminder), and instead next time open a thread on h-e-n ML (maybe [user] yet to create), and just drop a note to tmo and instantly close the tmo thread after doing so |
| 20:00.51 | RST38h | Permission denied (publickey). |
| 20:01.00 | RST38h | Anyone knows why autobuilder no longer allows me login? |
| 20:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: messed up your ssh keys? |
| 20:01.51 | RST38h | again? |
| 20:01.57 | RST38h | with no intervention from myself? |
| 20:02.07 | DocScrutinizer | :shrug: |
| 20:02.50 | Venemo_N900 | RST38h: maybe poke x-fade |
| 20:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | either that, or... something different :-P |
| 20:03.03 | Venemo_N900 | ok, I found another Qt bug |
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| 20:03.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, one of us has to be a mod tbh |
| 20:03.44 | MohammadAG | at least for that section |
| 20:03.47 | MohammadAG | or that thread only |
| 20:03.49 | Venemo_N900 | I remapped the Fn+z, Fn+x and Fn+c key combos |
| 20:04.06 | Venemo_N900 | and now I can not input these 3 characters in uppercase |
| 20:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ping chem|st |
| 20:04.24 | Venemo_N900 | but only in Qt apps, Gtk ones work fine |
| 20:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: you bet *I* won't go mod for tmo |
| 20:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | err, MohammadAG ^^^ |
| 20:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sorry ETAB |
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| 20:07.33 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: >>> hello joerg_rw, hi, how can i know which kernal im on now ? thanks <<< |
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| 20:07.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, rm -rf /lib/modules and reboot, that's how |
| 20:07.58 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH! |
| 20:08.08 | MohammadAG | (don't do that @ everyone) |
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| 20:09.13 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: ask him what a 'kernal' is already |
| 20:09.30 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: lol at that :D |
| 20:09.41 | Serpent | done, thanks all |
| 20:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: "send me the device, I'll look it up for you!" |
| 20:09.59 | Venemo_N900 | you're welcome Serpent :) |
| 20:10.18 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: btw, isn't uname the command that does that? |
| 20:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | orly?? |
| 20:10.51 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: I'm a linux noob, that's why I'm asking |
| 20:10.56 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, he was being sarcastic, he knows about uname :P |
| 20:11.16 | RST38h | shit cannot upload |
| 20:11.30 | RST38h | how often does maemo.org import ssh keys from the settings? |
| 20:11.36 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, uname -r |
| 20:11.46 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: ok, but I was not sure about it myself |
| 20:11.51 | MohammadAG | 30 minutes I think |
| 20:12.07 | RST38h | sighs and waits |
| 20:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | probably 05 and 35, as all other things |
| 20:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | magic of cron |
| 20:15.01 | MohammadAG | kinky, N86 not booting with the microSD in it |
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| 20:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 20:15.19 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what if you first boot it, then put the card in? |
| 20:15.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: it has uBoot |
| 20:15.42 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, doing that, got used to symbian |
| 20:15.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (actually not completely kidding) |
| 20:15.51 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hehe |
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| 20:16.21 | MohammadAG | sigh, date and time gone |
| 20:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 20:16.46 | Serpent | any tips on where I should start? |
| 20:16.58 | MohammadAG | it keeps crashing when I put the card in it |
| 20:17.02 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: with that? |
| 20:17.07 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: with what? |
| 20:17.36 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: well I think you just lost all the data on that card |
| 20:17.36 | Serpent | aps and the like, its my first smart phone |
| 20:17.45 | MohammadAG | crashes upon inserting microSD |
| 20:17.53 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: oh, congrats :) |
| 20:17.56 | RST38h | reformat microsd? |
| 20:18.01 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, I was formatting it |
| 20:18.16 | MohammadAG | then the N86 rebooted midformat |
| 20:18.35 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: well there are lots of apps in the community repos, and a few useful ones in Ovi store |
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| 20:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: (date & time lost) http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/community/2010-November/063733.html |
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| 20:18.59 | MohammadAG | [ 540.576934] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 20:18.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, N86 |
| 20:19.13 | MohammadAG | I get that error with the N900 and my PC, shall I throw the microSD out? |
| 20:19.24 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so what? it has the same crappy bupbat like FR and N900 |
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| 20:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | no? |
| 20:19.38 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: if you're familiar with any desktop Linux distro, it'll be fairly easy |
| 20:19.52 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: if not, that's not a problem either |
| 20:19.57 | MohammadAG | [ 598.881713] mmc0: error -19 whilst initialising SD card |
| 20:20.03 | MohammadAG | [ 599.415466] mmc0: cover is closed, card is now accessible |
| 20:20.03 | MohammadAG | [ 600.009002] mmc0: error -110 whilst initialising SD card |
| 20:20.09 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: you can use the application manager to look around |
| 20:20.18 | Serpent | Venemo_N900: yes, I have been using linux for 10 years or so |
| 20:20.26 | MohammadAG | throws card |
| 20:20.28 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: :) |
| 20:21.05 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: well Maemo is Debian-based, which means it works pretty similarly |
| 20:21.10 | MohammadAG | I'd like to thank Symbian for ruining my card |
| 20:21.30 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: see tmo for what apps other recommend |
| 20:21.42 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: well it didn't ruin mine |
| 20:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: HAHA |
| 20:21.55 | MohammadAG | it rebooted midformat |
| 20:21.58 | MohammadAG | all of a sudden |
| 20:22.09 | Serpent | tmo? |
| 20:22.20 | MohammadAG | and why did I format it? cause it was locked with a symbian device |
| 20:22.20 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: tmo = talk.maemo.org |
| 20:22.29 | MohammadAG | which follows no standard whatsoever! |
| 20:22.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: check bmo for a fix that "destroys some sandisk cards" or sth lke that |
| 20:22.50 | MohammadAG | it's 4GBs, I used to use for MeeGo weekly builds :/ |
| 20:23.16 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's not a sandisk, thankfully, I have that 16GB card somewhere else |
| 20:23.20 | MohammadAG | ponders where |
| 20:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: no idea, the exact wording might differ |
| 20:23.40 | Venemo_N900 | Serpent: if you are not afraid, you can also get yourself in-development apps from the -devel repo (not really recommended to end users though) |
| 20:23.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, wasn't that fixed in 1.3? |
| 20:24.03 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps referred to it as card-rape |
| 20:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | also I think I've seen it as NB# on one of the patchbatches |
| 20:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:26.37 | NooBmonk3y | ok MohammadAG ........... i'm ready to package a new version of MaeCount lol |
| 20:27.18 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, get the old source, copy my debian package into your source directory, run dch to edit the changelog then push |
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| 20:27.32 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, also, I suggest that since you're on linux, create an SSH key and upload with it |
| 20:27.33 | NooBmonk3y | ooo that be a clever idea! |
| 20:27.39 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, another thing, you should have scratchbox |
| 20:27.40 | NooBmonk3y | erm, one bit at a time lol |
| 20:27.44 | NooBmonk3y | ^^ |
| 20:27.54 | NooBmonk3y | will get to those last two bits in a sec! |
| 20:28.23 | MohammadAG | you need scratchbox to build a package :p |
| 20:28.31 | NooBmonk3y | pants....... |
| 20:28.34 | MohammadAG | idk how to/if you can use MADDE |
| 20:28.38 | NooBmonk3y | so i cant just edit your lot and re-upload? |
| 20:28.40 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: you can totally do it with the Qt SDK |
| 20:28.50 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, ?!?!?! |
| 20:28.55 | NooBmonk3y | cuddles Venemo_N900 !! |
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| 20:29.07 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, no, obviously not :P |
| 20:29.09 | NooBmonk3y | Now dont tell me i coulda done it in windows, lol! - i jjust formatted and setup ubuntu |
| 20:29.23 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 20:29.23 | infobot | somebody said maemosdk was http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 20:29.29 | MohammadAG | install that :# |
| 20:29.29 | MohammadAG | :3* |
| 20:29.29 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: I have made Sticky Notes and also packaged it on Windows with the Nokia Qt SDK |
| 20:29.31 | NooBmonk3y | meh |
| 20:29.35 | NooBmonk3y | oh ffs!!! |
| 20:29.41 | NooBmonk3y | MOHAMMAD!!!! |
| 20:29.46 | NooBmonk3y | sulks |
| 20:29.49 | NooBmonk3y | anyway..... |
| 20:30.02 | NooBmonk3y | i'm now on ubuntu lol |
| 20:30.02 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, with changelogs and all? |
| 20:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | googles for :3* |
| 20:30.11 | MohammadAG | (and sources) |
| 20:30.19 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: yes, of course |
| 20:30.31 | DocScrutinizer | asshead on ice? |
| 20:30.33 | MohammadAG | then it's possible to use MADDE on ubuntu I guess |
| 20:30.34 | RST38h | Mohammad,Doc: uploaded new xchat, let us see what autobuilder says |
| 20:30.35 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, would you mind ever so much if you bitch slapped yourself please :) |
| 20:30.49 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, can you walk him through it? I package my stuff with scratchbox, the proper way :P |
| 20:30.55 | NooBmonk3y | yay! |
| 20:30.56 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 20:30.57 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: although I had to save the files with Unix encoding |
| 20:31.00 | NooBmonk3y | is a dumbass btw! |
| 20:31.02 | MohammadAG | RST38h, something like "WTF" |
| 20:31.05 | MohammadAG | jk |
| 20:31.14 | RST38h | probably |
| 20:31.18 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: but 'mad dpkg-buildpackage' worked as it should |
| 20:31.28 | RST38h | Meanwhile, http://exiledonline.com/neocon-like-me-how-i-spent-a-year-in-iraq-teaching-with-the-bush-cheney-crazies/ |
| 20:31.33 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: should I PM you? |
| 20:31.39 | NooBmonk3y | anyway i really should learn how to do this properly |
| 20:31.45 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, only if you have time! |
| 20:31.57 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, so that's how you run madde stuff.... |
| 20:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm more interested in what HAM will tell me |
| 20:32.09 | Venemo_N900 | well the way I did it worked for both Scratchbox and MAADE |
| 20:32.13 | NooBmonk3y | DocScrutinizer, HAM will say Mooooooar Bacon |
| 20:32.14 | Venemo_N900 | MADDE* |
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| 20:32.22 | NooBmonk3y | Cool - well, i assume i have madde on ubuntu? |
| 20:32.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, [!] |
| 20:32.36 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, yes, the SDK has MADDE |
| 20:32.39 | NooBmonk3y | yay! |
| 20:32.43 | RST38h | Doc: Nothing unusual I hope |
| 20:32.47 | NooBmonk3y | really is a simpleton lol |
| 20:33.06 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: don't worry, I'll help ya |
| 20:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: just "Problems: qt4foobarxy" |
| 20:33.11 | DocScrutinizer | like always |
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| 20:33.15 | DocScrutinizer | 1.2 |
| 20:33.27 | RST38h | naaah,xchat does not use qt |
| 20:34.11 | MohammadAG | shouts at autobuilder, build asshole, BUILD, you have 1 minute |
| 20:34.13 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, do i need to request to be maintainer to upload the new version? |
| 20:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | so what new exciting chrome it's get me? |
| 20:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | it'll* |
| 20:34.44 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, was I set as a maintainer? |
| 20:34.57 | MohammadAG | I didn't check lol |
| 20:35.09 | NooBmonk3y | think so |
| 20:35.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my patch to fix the icon, should display the xchat icon instead of a <missing X icon> |
| 20:35.29 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, request it, I'll approve and ask X-Fade to remove me when he's back |
| 20:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 20:35.51 | NooBmonk3y | cool! |
| 20:35.57 | MohammadAG | shouts @ autobuilder, you missed the import |
| 20:36.08 | MohammadAG | resets timer to another 30 minutes |
| 20:36.40 | MohammadAG | how much are 32GB microSDs? |
| 20:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | does a jig dance of joy, and screams and shouts "new icon, NEW ICON!!" - neighbours call police :-P |
| 20:36.50 | RST38h | a lot |
| 20:36.55 | RST38h | and most are slow |
| 20:37.13 | RST38h | calls police on Doc |
| 20:37.24 | Dhraakellian | hrm... |
| 20:38.45 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, Maintainer Requested For Maecount |
| 20:38.45 | NooBmonk3y | Your request has been stored. |
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| 20:38.53 | Dhraakellian | trying http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd, but it can't seem to find my n900 |
| 20:39.16 | MohammadAG | starts thunderbird |
| 20:39.39 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: charge battery! start flasher. plug in unpowered N900 |
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| 20:40.31 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: if you've not screwed up, then your battery might last until you're done |
| 20:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: bootlooping eats batery like mad |
| 20:41.26 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, Component org.maemo.packages failed to handle the request lol |
| 20:41.45 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 20:42.07 | MohammadAG | looks like it approved you though |
| 20:42.11 | Dhraakellian | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 20:42.13 | Dhraakellian | Unable to enumerate USB devices! |
| 20:42.31 | Dhraakellian | the second line comes when I plug in the powered-off n900 |
| 20:42.38 | NooBmonk3y | yup it did MohammadAG :) |
| 20:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | that's weird |
| 20:42.58 | MohammadAG | Windows? |
| 20:43.07 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: remove battery, plug in, re-insert battery |
| 20:43.08 | Dhraakellian | openSUSE 11.3 |
| 20:43.17 | MohammadAG | running as root? |
| 20:43.36 | MohammadAG | also, 32/64 bit? |
| 20:43.38 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: ah! I was putting the battery back in first |
| 20:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: hold 'u' (though that's not supposed to do anything) |
| 20:43.56 | Dhraakellian | 32-bit, running with sudo, holding 'u' |
| 20:44.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I almost successfully flashed a device with hostmode |
| 20:44.43 | MohammadAG | (N900 -> N900 connection) |
| 20:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | heh :-D |
| 20:45.07 | MohammadAG | you know why it failed? the guy got scared and pulled the USB cable |
| 20:45.20 | Dhraakellian | hehheh |
| 20:45.21 | DocScrutinizer | now we only need a virtual loopback on USB :-P |
| 20:45.30 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:45.34 | MohammadAG | (it went into flashing mode properly, and flasher on the device detected the N900) |
| 20:45.43 | Dhraakellian | yeah... I'm getting the failure message as soon as the n900 buzzes to life |
| 20:45.47 | MohammadAG | and before I rebooted his N900 it said Charging |
| 20:46.08 | DocScrutinizer | Hold that grenade, but DON'T DROP IT! --- WHAAAT?? *booom* |
| 20:46.23 | Dhraakellian | drop the grenade, throw the pin |
| 20:46.28 | Dhraakellian | wait, I think I might have that backwards |
| 20:46.50 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
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| 20:47.05 | Dhraakellian | wonders if he should track down a debian/ubuntu-based computer somewhere in the house |
| 20:47.27 | MohammadAG | it should work just fine with openSUSE, ask DocScrutinizer |
| 20:47.32 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: lsmod|grep g_ |
| 20:47.34 | DocScrutinizer | rmmod |
| 20:47.38 | NooBmonk3y | has just destroyed a windows 7 one to make an ubuntu one lol |
| 20:47.59 | Dhraakellian | nf_defrag_ipv4 1201 1 nf_conntrack_ipv4 |
| 20:48.01 | MohammadAG | you removed windows? |
| 20:48.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:48.15 | DocScrutinizer | not that one |
| 20:48.27 | DocScrutinizer | g_ether, g_anyshit |
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| 20:48.49 | DocScrutinizer | or was it cdc_* |
| 20:49.23 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, Gone! (only have an 80gb HDD in here) |
| 20:50.00 | MohammadAG | had windows and ubuntu on a 120GB HDD |
| 20:50.07 | MohammadAG | 40GB once |
| 20:50.08 | Dhraakellian | mind a 3-line paste? |
| 20:50.15 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 20:50.18 | Dhraakellian | cdc_phonet 5533 0 |
| 20:50.19 | Dhraakellian | phonet 22229 1 cdc_phonet |
| 20:50.21 | Dhraakellian | usbcore 191575 5 cdc_phonet,usb_storage,uhci_hcd,ehci_hcd |
| 20:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: also, as flasher scans all USB ports sequentially (AIUI), it might help to provide proper USB port name to flasher |
| 20:50.29 | MohammadAG | but your question makes it a 4 line paste |
| 20:50.32 | MohammadAG | kicks, jk :P |
| 20:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | cdc_phonet is mega-evil here :-) |
| 20:50.59 | Dhraakellian | rmmod that sucker? |
| 20:51.00 | MohammadAG | isn't that for modem crap? |
| 20:51.03 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:51.10 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:51.42 | MohammadAG | when's the MeeGo conference again? |
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| 20:51.49 | MohammadAG | I'm sure it wasn't 12AM :P |
| 20:51.57 | DocScrutinizer | also usb_storage might interfere |
| 20:52.56 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: it keeps coming back |
| 20:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 20:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | you made sure you're keeping 'u' pressed, so N900 won't skip over the detection window? |
| 20:54.10 | Dhraakellian | at this point, I'm considering just futzing around inside NITDroid to see if I can get it to mount things mounted read-write |
| 20:54.41 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: it's erroring out as soon as the n900 vibrates that it's booting |
| 20:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | then try different sequence: plug in while 'u', then immediately start flasher |
| 20:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | 1s |
| 20:55.26 | Dhraakellian | okay, split second after |
| 20:55.29 | alterego | Almost finished porting my custom widgets to Qml |
| 20:56.19 | MohammadAG | no |
| 20:56.27 | MohammadAG | it should vibrate when it boots into flashing mode afaik |
| 20:56.32 | MohammadAG | you don't need to press the power button |
| 20:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | I as well had issues with making it flash |
| 20:56.36 | MohammadAG | it shouldn't* |
| 20:57.16 | DocScrutinizer | who said "power button"? |
| 20:57.32 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: I'm not |
| 20:57.36 | Dhraakellian | just 'u' |
| 20:57.46 | Dhraakellian | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 20:57.48 | Dhraakellian | USB device found found at bus 001, device address 057. |
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| 20:57.49 | Dhraakellian | Error claiming USB interface: Device or resource busy |
| 20:57.50 | MohammadAG | it vibrates when doing that? |
| 20:57.55 | Dhraakellian | yes |
| 20:58.03 | MohammadAG | sorry, always have my device in R&D mode |
| 20:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | plug in, hold 'u', insert battery, gasp, hit return on flasher |
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| 20:58.42 | MohammadAG | Device or resource busy, try a different port(?) |
| 20:58.55 | MohammadAG | or reboot I guess, some module is keeping the port busy |
| 20:59.33 | Dhraakellian | frack need more hands |
| 20:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: (Device or resource busy) rmmod :-/ |
| 20:59.56 | DocScrutinizer | reboot |
| 21:00.01 | MohammadAG | yeah, I always wondered why we had only 2 hands |
| 21:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | remove other USB stuff |
| 21:00.34 | DocScrutinizer | aka unplug it |
| 21:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | cdc_phonet MUST NOT come up |
| 21:01.08 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: well, when I didn't drop stuff, that last order apperas to have worked |
| 21:01.14 | Dhraakellian | 'course, the backlight isn't on |
| 21:02.21 | Dhraakellian | http://pastebin.ca/1991524 |
| 21:02.28 | MohammadAG | since when does revision 2001 exist? |
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| 21:02.40 | MohammadAG | I've only seen 2101 |
| 21:02.57 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, so it worked :) |
| 21:03.13 | Dhraakellian | and I'm glad I have the bright overhead light on |
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| 21:03.39 | MohammadAG | wants to be able to boot that image using uBoot |
| 21:03.44 | DocScrutinizer | OMFG you're doing WHAT exactly? |
| 21:03.57 | MohammadAG | Recovery image DocScrutinizer |
| 21:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | aaaaah |
| 21:04.11 | DocScrutinizer | lost that |
| 21:04.18 | MohammadAG | which reminds me |
| 21:04.21 | MohammadAG | I need to try it again |
| 21:04.33 | Dhraakellian | so, let's see... to edit that /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini (?) file... |
| 21:04.59 | Dhraakellian | USB storage mode, mount, and go in with desktop-side vim? |
| 21:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 21:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | cya all |
| 21:07.07 | Dhraakellian | hmm |
| 21:07.27 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, or ssh |
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| 21:07.53 | MohammadAG | well usb storage exports the 32GB eMMC afaik, not the root partitions |
| 21:07.57 | MohammadAG | so ssh it is |
| 21:08.01 | Dhraakellian | yarr |
| 21:08.04 | Dhraakellian | noticing that now |
| 21:08.06 | MohammadAG | it'll be on port 22, IP 192.168.2.15 |
| 21:09.41 | Dhraakellian | connection timed out |
| 21:09.50 | Dhraakellian | enabled USB networking |
| 21:10.00 | Dhraakellian | hmm... recovery terminal to start sshd? |
| 21:11.49 | MohammadAG | no, sshd is started when you press N |
| 21:12.12 | Dhraakellian | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection timed out |
| 21:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | iirc it exports both fs. Need replug probably |
| 21:13.11 | MohammadAG | lolwtf |
| 21:13.13 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ sudo ifconfig usb0 192.168.2.14 |
| 21:13.13 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~/recovery$ ssh root@192.168.2.15 |
| 21:13.13 | MohammadAG | ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused |
| 21:13.25 | Gh0sty | is it possible that the new power kernel breaks the led? :/ |
| 21:13.44 | Gh0sty | I don't get any led notification that sms'es arrive, that my phone is charging etc ... |
| 21:13.48 | DocScrutinizer | hell, not exporting / would be failwale |
| 21:14.07 | MohammadAG | failwhale it is |
| 21:14.39 | villev | it appears dpkg diversions can get around the "ssu enforcement" metapackage |
| 21:14.48 | villev | or am I wrong? |
| 21:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | When using USB storage mode the initrd mounts eMMC and the microSD card - BWAHAHAHAAAAHAA |
| 21:16.52 | Dhraakellian | is ever so close to stabbing something now |
| 21:17.23 | Dhraakellian | and all this just to edit a single character on a single line of a single file to keep hildon-desktop from crashing on me and shutting down the phone |
| 21:17.26 | MohammadAG | #meego's dead too |
| 21:17.48 | MohammadAG | what port does it effing run ssh on |
| 21:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: try recovery console, and edit directly on N900 |
| 21:18.17 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: sure, I was gonna do that |
| 21:18.29 | Dhraakellian | ...but how do I type the friggin '/'? |
| 21:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 21:18.46 | DocScrutinizer | dejavu |
| 21:18.47 | MohammadAG | you don't, that's the problem with the intrd |
| 21:18.57 | MohammadAG | use CTRL+I to tab |
| 21:19.07 | Dhraakellian | ! |
| 21:19.10 | MohammadAG | btw |
| 21:19.27 | MohammadAG | you need to modprobe ubifs and mount the ubi0:rootfs block |
| 21:19.48 | Dhraakellian | from the recovery console? |
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| 21:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 21:20.04 | DocScrutinizer | why not? :-D |
| 21:20.06 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, i need a linux geek lol! |
| 21:20.10 | MohammadAG | gives my unknown module format fyi |
| 21:20.23 | NooBmonk3y | How do i add a folder path to the linux PATH thingy, so i can run a file from within that folder ? |
| 21:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | o/ again |
| 21:20.40 | NooBmonk3y | god i'm useless at describing things |
| 21:20.47 | MohammadAG | echo $PATH |
| 21:20.50 | MohammadAG | copy the shit in it |
| 21:20.58 | NooBmonk3y | yay |
| 21:21.00 | MohammadAG | then export PATH=paste;whatyouwanthere |
| 21:21.06 | MohammadAG | :* |
| 21:21.09 | MohammadAG | not ; |
| 21:21.27 | MohammadAG | but you have to do it in each shell, or add it to your profile |
| 21:21.31 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: I didn't know that either, so thanks :J |
| 21:21.34 | Venemo_N900 | :) |
| 21:21.42 | MohammadAG | :D |
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| 21:21.54 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: how to add it to my profile? |
| 21:22.01 | MohammadAG | sighs, ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused, #meego's asleep |
| 21:22.08 | myuu | oh my buffer kind of screwed me over |
| 21:22.25 | myuu | I wanted to know what a good price for an n900 is |
| 21:22.43 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, nano ~/.profile |
| 21:22.50 | MohammadAG | scroll down, you'll figure it out :) |
| 21:23.06 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: k, will check once I get home |
| 21:23.22 | MohammadAG | # set PATH so it includes user's private bin if it exists |
| 21:23.24 | MohammadAG | if [ -d "$HOME/bin" ] ; then |
| 21:23.25 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:23.25 | MohammadAG | fi |
| 21:23.45 | Dhraakellian | modprobe complains of an unknown symbol |
| 21:23.48 | MohammadAG | or just edit /etc/profile to edit all users' paths |
| 21:23.57 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, <MohammadAG> gives my unknown module format fyi |
| 21:24.11 | MohammadAG | so much for a recovery initrd |
| 21:24.28 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, got a microSD nearby? |
| 21:24.32 | Venemo_N900 | ok, the N900 survived the train journey without a single disconnection from the cellular network |
| 21:24.37 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: a couple, yeah |
| 21:24.44 | Venemo_N900 | seems that this one has a better reception |
| 21:24.59 | NooBmonk3y | :| |
| 21:25.01 | Dhraakellian | one with NITDroid, one 8GB class 6 |
| 21:25.10 | RST38h | it is in the repos! |
| 21:25.33 | NooBmonk3y | $PATH doesnt seem to want me to add /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin |
| 21:25.43 | Venemo_N900 | also this was 3 hours of continuous usage with web, irc, and music, screen on, and the battery endured it |
| 21:25.54 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, but alot of NooBmonk3y harrassment! |
| 21:26.19 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: that was no harassment |
| 21:26.22 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: what are you recommending I do with said µSD? |
| 21:26.54 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: packaging was so much of a pain for me that I always feel good when I can save some of the pain for others |
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| 21:28.11 | Dhraakellian | wishes he'd backed up photos more recently |
| 21:28.50 | Dhraakellian | used the backup util a few package installations ago, sometime last week, but I haven't actually copied over stuff from the camera in a while |
| 21:29.02 | Dhraakellian | otherwise, I'd just do a full-on reflash at this point |
| 21:29.04 | NooBmonk3y | oh ffs |
| 21:29.16 | MohammadAG | eMMC lives on a different device, flashing won't touch it |
| 21:29.17 | NooBmonk3y | can you not add anything in /home/user to path? |
| 21:29.28 | MohammadAG | why? |
| 21:29.35 | MohammadAG | just add /home/user to PATH |
| 21:29.36 | NooBmonk3y | cos it wont let me add my folder |
| 21:29.42 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: hmm... |
| 21:29.54 | NooBmonk3y | $PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin |
| 21:29.58 | NooBmonk3y | thats what i'm trying |
| 21:30.05 | MohammadAG | but now I'm annoyed myself |
| 21:30.15 | MohammadAG | so? |
| 21:30.19 | MohammadAG | it should work |
| 21:30.42 | NooBmonk3y | /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin: No such file or directory |
| 21:30.47 | NooBmonk3y | but it's there! |
| 21:30.50 | NooBmonk3y | i can see it |
| 21:31.02 | NooBmonk3y | and no capital letter mistakes! |
| 21:31.02 | MohammadAG | no, you add a directory, not the file itself |
| 21:31.13 | NooBmonk3y | that is the directory |
| 21:31.17 | Venemo_N900 | that is a directory |
| 21:31.17 | NooBmonk3y | mad is the file |
| 21:31.19 | MohammadAG | export PATH=/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games:/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo |
| 21:31.28 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 21:31.30 | MohammadAG | checks |
| 21:31.31 | NooBmonk3y | :p |
| 21:31.33 | NooBmonk3y | ;) |
| 21:31.56 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: are you sure you spelled it allright? |
| 21:32.20 | NooBmonk3y | copied it from the file properties window to make sure |
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| 21:32.32 | NooBmonk3y | /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/Maemo/madbin |
| 21:32.32 | Venemo_N900 | hm |
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| 21:32.46 | Venemo_N900 | does cd work for that? |
| 21:33.04 | Venemo_N900 | as in, 'cd <directoryname>' |
| 21:33.08 | NooBmonk3y | Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 21:33.11 | NooBmonk3y | do i need to be root? |
| 21:33.19 | MohammadAG | no |
| 21:33.26 | NooBmonk3y | and no cd doesnt lol |
| 21:33.44 | NooBmonk3y | meh |
| 21:33.56 | Venemo_N900 | nah, train arrived!!! |
| 21:34.19 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: well then try to find the directory correctly |
| 21:34.48 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ /usr/bin/which dh_install |
| 21:34.53 | MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install |
| 21:34.53 | MohammadAG | muhahaha |
| 21:35.34 | MohammadAG | add madbin first |
| 21:35.36 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ export PATH=/home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/mohammad/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 21:35.36 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ which dh_install |
| 21:35.37 | MohammadAG | /home/mohammad/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dh_install |
| 21:35.41 | Venemo_N900 | bah battery low |
| 21:36.04 | Venemo_N900 | I would stop bme, but am afraid of the consequences |
| 21:36.28 | SpeedEvil | There are few consequences really |
| 21:36.31 | NooBmonk3y | ok, well the cd now works, path doesnt |
| 21:36.32 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 21:36.50 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, his device didn't do autonomous charge once |
| 21:37.07 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:37.11 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: last time the battery was so empty that the device didn't wanna charge it |
| 21:37.19 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, export PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 21:37.20 | SpeedEvil | Not even emergency charge? |
| 21:37.22 | SpeedEvil | odd |
| 21:37.34 | Venemo_N900 | well this is another device |
| 21:37.40 | Venemo_N900 | I always forget |
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| 21:37.41 | MohammadAG | stop bme then |
| 21:37.55 | MohammadAG | I think your old one was borked somehow |
| 21:38.04 | MohammadAG | mine always charges from flat |
| 21:38.13 | Venemo_N900 | ok, stopped bme |
| 21:38.21 | cehteh | power45 or not .. *thinking* |
| 21:38.34 | cehteh | mhm .. idea .. making a backup first :) |
| 21:38.37 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, I won't use it for hours like last ime |
| 21:38.41 | NooBmonk3y | $PATH=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games |
| 21:38.41 | NooBmonk3y | bash: /usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games=/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/games: No such file or directory |
| 21:39.08 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil, MohammadAG: last time battery dropped to like 2.4 V |
| 21:39.31 | Dhraakellian | plugs his n900 into a wall wart via a shorted out USB extension cord |
| 21:39.41 | Dhraakellian | erm... data pins shorted together |
| 21:39.43 | MohammadAG | that's weird... |
| 21:39.53 | MohammadAG | mine shuts down on like 3.2 something |
| 21:39.57 | Venemo_N900 | hehe |
| 21:40.15 | Dhraakellian | reads up on updating/flashing firmware |
| 21:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | NooBmonk3y: NO DOLLAR at start! |
| 21:40.17 | Venemo_N900 | well it was screen off, offline mode, and only music playback |
| 21:40.28 | NooBmonk3y | yay! |
| 21:40.30 | NooBmonk3y | done! |
| 21:40.31 | NooBmonk3y | lol |
| 21:40.34 | NooBmonk3y | bloody dollars |
| 21:40.42 | NooBmonk3y | and works! |
| 21:40.47 | NooBmonk3y | now where was i! |
| 21:40.49 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, use export as I stated |
| 21:40.56 | MohammadAG | oh well |
| 21:41.09 | Venemo_N900 | the poor thing played music for 3 hours before dying |
| 21:41.29 | Venemo_N900 | and it was 'battery low' the entire afternoon before that |
| 21:41.30 | MohammadAG | starts creating a small distro that only consists of basic bash shell and working terminal |
| 21:41.41 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what for? |
| 21:41.46 | MohammadAG | obviously, the MeeGo image is shit |
| 21:41.55 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, recovery |
| 21:42.03 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh. |
| 21:42.34 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: heard about such a distro but the name escapes me atm |
| 21:42.51 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: so does it work? |
| 21:42.54 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: make sure it actually charges, and doesn't bootloop |
| 21:43.17 | MohammadAG | it's in a boot loop DocScrutinizer |
| 21:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: does it flash amber, and nothing else? |
| 21:43.21 | MohammadAG | you know |
| 21:43.28 | Dhraakellian | the amber LED is fading in and out |
| 21:43.31 | MohammadAG | before you reflash, you could try R&D mode |
| 21:43.35 | Dhraakellian | will wait for it to go green |
| 21:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: ack |
| 21:44.04 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 21:44.09 | MohammadAG | as root |
| 21:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: bootloops on desktop segfault |
| 21:44.16 | MohammadAG | that _should_ start up the device |
| 21:44.21 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: I have it powered off and plugged in just for charging |
| 21:44.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, dsme causes the bootloop, what a retarded feature it is |
| 21:44.34 | MohammadAG | that flag kills dsme |
| 21:44.37 | Dhraakellian | DocScrutinizer: yarr, which is why I'm not actually booting it |
| 21:44.46 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 21:44.47 | MohammadAG | as I said earlier today, I can use my N900 X-less |
| 21:44.53 | MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> Dhraakellian, before reflashing, try flasher-3.5 --enable-rd-mode --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset |
| 21:44.59 | MohammadAG | actually, try it now |
| 21:45.03 | NooBmonk3y | Venemo_N900, Just realised something |
| 21:45.05 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: x-less=? |
| 21:45.10 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: yeah? |
| 21:45.12 | MohammadAG | then boot up the device normally, hildon-home might keep crashing |
| 21:45.17 | NooBmonk3y | got an error when running mad dpkg-buildpackage |
| 21:45.18 | MohammadAG | Venemo_N900, without an X server |
| 21:45.19 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: error: unable to determine source changed by |
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| 21:45.28 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: yeah |
| 21:45.29 | NooBmonk3y | am i missing something? |
| 21:45.32 | MohammadAG | kill X on your device and it'll reboot |
| 21:45.34 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: changelog file |
| 21:45.34 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: ...but I can still go in with Vim and edit what needs to be edited? |
| 21:45.40 | NooBmonk3y | ooooo |
| 21:45.45 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, probably yes |
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| 21:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: kill bme and it'll reboot |
| 21:46.08 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: put in it at least one entry, in the right format |
| 21:46.09 | DocScrutinizer | sounds familiar, no? |
| 21:46.17 | Venemo_N900 | NooBmonk3y: see mine for an example |
| 21:46.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, bme isn't as vital as the desktop, at least according to Nokia's team |
| 21:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you missed my point |
| 21:47.06 | MohammadAG | seriously, was implementing something as easy as if reboots > 3 stop rebooting difficult? |
| 21:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: try "stop matchbox" (s/matchbox/<whatever>/) |
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| 21:47.48 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer: afaik matchbox is not running when hildon-desktop is running |
| 21:48.07 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: this is already implemented, just see dmsetool --help |
| 21:48.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, my dsme isn't alive anyways |
| 21:49.08 | MohammadAG | ooh, I can partition the eMMC with the recovery image |
| 21:49.18 | MohammadAG | and 64MBs unpartitioned, weird... |
| 21:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | due to geometry |
| 21:49.57 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: I don't think it can do that - I've had it measuring 0 when the internal cutout operated. |
| 21:50.00 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 21:50.38 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: well this was what the guy at the Nokia repair centre told me |
| 21:50.59 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 21:51.09 | MohammadAG | lol I like the Xorg failed to start message |
| 21:51.24 | Venemo_N900 | SpeedEvil: I have no reason not to believe him |
| 21:51.26 | MohammadAG | it says contact support.nokia.com, do they even know what X is? |
| 21:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | device will hard-shutdown on <3.2V iirc |
| 21:51.59 | SpeedEvil | 2.8 |
| 21:52.19 | ShadowJK | can you call it ANSI AVC next time |
| 21:52.43 | ShadowJK | or ANSI AVC.264 |
| 21:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | to drain it further you either need repeated bootups (which all fail), or some direct consumer, like LP5523 notif LED is still eating battery |
| 21:52.57 | ShadowJK | oh wrong chan |
| 21:53.28 | MohammadAG | ponders decreasing swap |
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| 21:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | make 2 swaps of half the size |
| 21:54.11 | SpeedEvil | 2724 is the lowest I see on several boots |
| 21:54.17 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:54.23 | Dhraakellian | okay, hildon-desktop just crashed on me... |
| 21:54.24 | SpeedEvil | several discharges to hardware 'off' |
| 21:54.30 | Dhraakellian | tries to remember what comes next |
| 21:54.40 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, but the device started right? |
| 21:54.48 | SpeedEvil | At this point, it won't even startup at all |
| 21:54.54 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:55.02 | Dhraakellian | yes, as it had, even before enabling R&D mode |
| 21:55.16 | DocScrutinizer | Dhraakellian: ssh |
| 21:55.20 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, no, I meant it's still on, right? |
| 21:55.26 | Dhraakellian | yarr |
| 21:55.29 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 21:55.40 | Dhraakellian | hmm... seeing several widgets up in the corner, all piled on top of each other |
| 21:55.48 | MohammadAG | ignore them |
| 21:55.54 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:56.00 | Venemo_N900 | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil: so the guy lied to me? |
| 21:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | seen this before |
| 21:56.03 | MohammadAG | they'll get rearranged when the desktop starts |
| 21:56.13 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo_N900: possibly |
| 21:56.46 | Dhraakellian | now how to get to that terminal? |
| 21:56.48 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: I would hesitate on saying that. |
| 21:56.57 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, ssh |
| 21:57.04 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, after charging it manually, the N900 was able to charge it and that's what matters |
| 21:57.09 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: I could be wrong. Your battery may have been faulty. Your n900 may have been faulty. |
| 21:57.13 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: he likely was incompetent |
| 21:57.21 | MohammadAG | X terminal will probably not capture the kb input without a desktop |
| 21:57.22 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: I don't have sshd running by default |
| 21:57.26 | SpeedEvil | Venemo_N900: he may have measured the wrong pins, ... |
| 21:57.27 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 21:57.34 | Dhraakellian | it's installed, but not running |
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| 21:57.58 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: good point |
| 21:58.15 | Dhraakellian | I'm missing something ridiculously obvious, aren't I? |
| 21:58.55 | SpeedEvil | I tend to be reluctant to actually say people are lying intentionally, unless they earn about 10* average salary. |
| 21:59.03 | SpeedEvil | Then you get people that do it professionally. |
| 21:59.24 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 22:00.40 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, how do i set a file as executable in terminal? |
| 22:00.53 | MohammadAG | chmod +x |
| 22:00.57 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmm |
| 22:01.17 | SpeedEvil | NooBmonk3y: If your qeustion is how do I make a file on mydocs executable - the answer is 'you can't |
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| 22:02.15 | NooBmonk3y | naaa on an external HDD |
| 22:02.28 | esaym153 | are then any programs for the n810 that will stream audio from the mic across the internet? |
| 22:03.29 | MohammadAG | wants the tunewiki applet back :/ |
| 22:03.32 | T_X | hi there, can anyone tell me which file to use for flashing "secondary" with 0xFFFF from the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? |
| 22:03.46 | T_X | there seems to be no "secondary" for the 2104 hw revision inside |
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| 22:04.01 | MohammadAG | where did you get the 2104? |
| 22:04.15 | T_X | 0xFFFF -i |
| 22:04.51 | NooBmonk3y | Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474. |
| 22:04.51 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean failed with unknown exit code -1 |
| 22:05.00 | NooBmonk3y | But chmod +x rules does nothing |
| 22:05.05 | T_X | for xloader and 2nd, there are matching files for 2104 after unpacking. however, not for secondary- |
| 22:05.21 | NooBmonk3y | and if i use the file manager and try to set it to executable the tick box goes straight back to being unticked?! |
| 22:06.04 | MohammadAG | hates madde |
| 22:06.22 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, how are you running dpkg-buildpackage? |
| 22:06.44 | T_X | or can I just use secondary-RX-51,2101,2102,2103-1.4.14.9+0m5 instead? |
| 22:06.59 | MohammadAG | NO! |
| 22:07.10 | MohammadAG | revisions are different for a reason |
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| 22:07.22 | MohammadAG | where did you get the 2104 device? |
| 22:08.17 | NooBmonk3y | mad dpkg-buildpackage |
| 22:11.05 | T_X | MohammadAG: as I said, with 0xFFFF -i |
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| 22:11.55 | MohammadAG | where did you get the _DEVICE_ |
| 22:11.57 | T_X | sudo ../0xFFFF -i <â(Mon,Nov15)ââ |
| 22:11.57 | T_X | [sudo] password for root: |
| 22:11.57 | T_X | 021 found! |
| 22:11.57 | T_X | Driver: |
| 22:11.57 | T_X | found n770/n810/n900 (0421:0105) |
| 22:11.59 | T_X | No software version detected |
| 22:11.59 | MohammadAG | not the info about it |
| 22:12.01 | T_X | HW revision string: 'prod_code:RX-51,hw_rev:2104�' |
| 22:12.03 | T_X | SubVersionString autodetected: '2104�' |
| 22:12.10 | T_X | oh, eh, got it as a gift |
| 22:12.20 | T_X | MohammadAG: why? |
| 22:12.39 | MohammadAG | cause the only devices I've seen on sale are 2101 |
| 22:12.58 | MohammadAG | with 1xxx and others as prototypes |
| 22:14.27 | T_X | MohammadAG: hmm, okay. so, should I ask the person I got it from, where he got it from? :) |
| 22:14.49 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
| 22:14.57 | MohammadAG | that would be a start, but I'd ping someone from nokia to get the image |
| 22:15.09 | MohammadAG | GeneralAntilles1, might be able to help you, but he's away for the MeeGo conference |
| 22:15.17 | T_X | pfeh, okay |
| 22:15.22 | MohammadAG | if you want to reflash you could possibly reflash the rootfs alone |
| 22:15.26 | T_X | now I'm curious too, what I got here :D |
| 22:15.54 | T_X | MohammadAG: but the boot-loader is stored on the xloader partition, right? |
| 22:15.58 | MohammadAG | indeed, I've only seen 2101s |
| 22:16.07 | MohammadAG | yes |
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| 22:16.14 | MohammadAG | flashing the rootfs should in theory work fine |
| 22:16.19 | MohammadAG | in theory |
| 22:16.20 | T_X | the thing is, I installed the multiboot package and now I can't boot it anymore, as the there's nothing in the multiboot list |
| 22:16.38 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, how do i tell if my external hdd is mounted with a noexec option? |
| 22:16.53 | MohammadAG | mount |
| 22:17.03 | MohammadAG | T_X, try pressing 0 |
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| 22:17.30 | NooBmonk3y | /dev/sdb1 on /media/FreeAgent Drive type fuseblk (rw,nosuid,nodev,allow_other,blksize=4096,default_permissions) |
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| 22:18.12 | MohammadAG | what's fuseblk o_O |
| 22:18.17 | MohammadAG | oh, ntfs? |
| 22:18.25 | NooBmonk3y | probably! |
| 22:18.37 | NooBmonk3y | its the one with all my stuff on it |
| 22:18.53 | MohammadAG | it can't hold permissions I guess |
| 22:19.11 | NooBmonk3y | oh ffs |
| 22:19.18 | NooBmonk3y | ok so move it elsewhere |
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| 22:20.50 | NooBmonk3y | yay moving it worked! |
| 22:20.55 | NooBmonk3y | now onto the next error! |
| 22:20.56 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' |
| 22:20.56 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-buildpackage: failure: dpkg-source -b MaeCount-0.6.0 gave error exit status 255 |
| 22:21.38 | MohammadAG | small case only |
| 22:21.46 | NooBmonk3y | ooo in what, all files/folders? |
| 22:21.57 | MohammadAG | no, the source dir |
| 22:22.05 | MohammadAG | mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount |
| 22:22.08 | NooBmonk3y | allll these rules to get 1 thing right lol |
| 22:22.10 | MohammadAG | or |
| 22:22.14 | MohammadAG | mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount-0.6 |
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| 22:23.26 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmm |
| 22:23.29 | NooBmonk3y | renamed |
| 22:23.31 | NooBmonk3y | re-run |
| 22:23.32 | NooBmonk3y | same error |
| 22:23.34 | NooBmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
| 22:23.39 | NooBmonk3y | it's gotta be in a file somewhere |
| 22:24.17 | NooBmonk3y | the pro file is the only file with a capital letter |
| 22:24.28 | NooBmonk3y | maybe that? |
| 22:24.40 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' |
| 22:24.51 | NooBmonk3y | actually source package name hmmmmmmmmm |
| 22:25.17 | MohammadAG | no |
| 22:25.19 | MohammadAG | changelog |
| 22:26.09 | T_X | MohammadAG: wow, -> + 0 (= 0) worked! |
| 22:26.16 | NooBmonk3y | wow |
| 22:26.17 | T_X | awesome, how was I supposed to know that :D? |
| 22:26.19 | NooBmonk3y | its doing something |
| 22:26.51 | T_X | how can I find out about such secret keyboard commands :D? |
| 22:26.55 | MohammadAG | :D |
| 22:27.04 | NooBmonk3y | hmmm one last error! yay! |
| 22:27.09 | NooBmonk3y | dpkg-source: error: source package name `MaeCount' contains illegal character `M' |
| 22:27.10 | MohammadAG | X shuts down |
| 22:27.11 | NooBmonk3y | ffs |
| 22:27.13 | NooBmonk3y | darn copy |
| 22:27.16 | MohammadAG | I think it's in the readme :P |
| 22:27.16 | NooBmonk3y | parsechangelog/debian: warning: debian/changelog(l5): badly formatted trailer line |
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| 22:27.31 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, copy my debian/ directory |
| 22:27.35 | Venemo | hey again guys |
| 22:27.39 | NooBmonk3y | i did lol |
| 22:27.50 | Venemo | sorry, the N900 died just 20 minutes before I arrived home |
| 22:27.55 | Venemo | NooBmonk3y: still having issues? |
| 22:28.06 | MohammadAG | NooBmonk3y, the source directory |
| 22:28.10 | MohammadAG | do this |
| 22:28.15 | Malin_ | is there any good idea to overclock my N900 to 750Mhz? |
| 22:28.34 | MohammadAG | cd ..; mv MaeCount-0.6.0 maecount; cd maecount; mad dpkg-buildpackage -b |
| 22:28.39 | Venemo | Malin_: the good idea is not to overclock |
| 22:28.43 | MohammadAG | Malin_, we hate overclocking overall tbh |
| 22:28.49 | Malin_ | Venemo, as I thought |
| 22:28.53 | MohammadAG | http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/thewarningtm.jpeg |
| 22:29.01 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what did you say about changing PATH permanently? |
| 22:29.15 | Malin_ | Guess there are other ways to get it more snappy? Some times I can't take a call, because it reacts so slow |
| 22:29.18 | MohammadAG | edit your ~/.profile |
| 22:29.42 | Venemo | cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory |
| 22:29.50 | MohammadAG | enable HW sync in hildon-desktop, makes the desktop more prone to crashes, but makes the device wonderful to use |
| 22:30.03 | Malin_ | prone? |
| 22:30.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I thought that was not possible...? what did I miss? |
| 22:30.24 | MohammadAG | it might crash sometimes |
| 22:30.29 | MohammadAG | Venemo, not VSync |
| 22:30.48 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:~# cat /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini |
| 22:30.50 | Malin_ | awh yeah, I checd the word in google translate :) |
| 22:30.50 | MohammadAG | [hildon-desktop] |
| 22:30.50 | MohammadAG | WSEGL_UseHWSync=1 |
| 22:30.50 | NooBmonk3y | wow |
| 22:30.52 | MohammadAG | it's 0 by default |
| 22:30.53 | NooBmonk3y | erm |
| 22:30.58 | Malin_ | I will try it :D |
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| 22:31.12 | Venemo | MohammadAG: so what is this HW sync? |
| 22:31.19 | Malin_ | smart I can access my phone with ssh :D |
| 22:31.19 | MohammadAG | Venemo, try it |
| 22:31.29 | MohammadAG | though I suggest turning of blurs in transitions.ini |
| 22:31.59 | MohammadAG | under [home], change radius and radius_more to 0, in /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini |
| 22:32.20 | Venemo | MohammadAG: 'cat: /home/Timur/.profile: No such file or directory' -> any clue about this? |
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| 22:32.32 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 22:33.00 | GeneralAntilles | We found the clubhouse in D4. |
| 22:33.04 | MohammadAG | even my N900 has a .profile file... |
| 22:33.06 | MohammadAG | Venemo, edit /etc/profile then |
| 22:37.54 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Shush |
| 22:37.57 | Jaffa | GeneralAntilles: Private club |
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| 22:39.03 | MohammadAG | sobs |
| 22:40.47 | pupnik | so quiet |
| 22:40.50 | Malin_ | wow... it become way more snappy after setting it to 1 :D |
| 22:41.06 | MohammadAG | it'll crash, eventually :P |
| 22:41.19 | MohammadAG | I still have it on though |
| 22:41.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/stars.jpg Astrophotograpy on the n900. (fcam, 3200iso, 1s) |
| 22:41.44 | SpeedEvil | It's cloudy here - hence there are not many stars. |
| 22:41.56 | SpeedEvil | But for a handheld attempt, I was surprised. |
| 22:42.26 | MohammadAG | too, much, noise :P |
| 22:42.46 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 22:43.07 | SpeedEvil | I need to try it actually holding it still, with a dark sky |
| 22:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:44.25 | cehteh | just open stellarium and done :) |
| 22:45.41 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: that doesn't tell you about new supernovae, or iridium flares. |
| 22:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | not even competes to this: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10042 |
| 22:47.12 | pupnik | a ufo! |
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| 22:47.48 | SpeedEvil | Need to set the exposure way down for the moon |
| 22:47.52 | SpeedEvil | it's daytime there. |
| 22:48.16 | pupnik | what's your favorite shot that you took with a n900? link. |
| 22:48.22 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: stellarium has a plugin system, there is a satellites plugin, unfortunally with ugly graphics, but i bet one can add iridium flares there |
| 22:48.43 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 22:48.45 | cehteh | and for supernovae .. well maybe too, but first i wait for the implementation of commets |
| 22:48.51 | cehteh | that would be nice |
| 22:49.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/5028190910/ is quite nice. |
| 22:49.12 | cehteh | there was some discussion about rendering realistic comets |
| 22:49.34 | pupnik | http://www.flickr.com/photos/arnim-s/4863049623/ i like that one |
| 22:49.47 | pupnik | pretty SpeedEvil |
| 22:49.47 | Malin_ | it switches so fast and smooth between the windows now :D |
| 22:49.53 | Malin_ | but yeah, if it crash, it crash.... |
| 22:49.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/ |
| 22:50.01 | SpeedEvil | Was just after I'd gotten the n900 |
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| 22:50.27 | MohammadAG | Malin_, if it crashes, you HAVE to reboot |
| 22:50.34 | pupnik | wow lots of work |
| 22:50.42 | MohammadAG | killing the desktop won't do anything, it's just dead there |
| 22:50.51 | cehteh | http://www.lumiera.org/20101114_002.jpg haha my recent n900 pic :P |
| 22:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: haha, supenovae that's been a killer app for whole science |
| 22:51.16 | pupnik | everybody working on their house |
| 22:51.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4711980083/ - and a shot from this summer of the garden. |
| 22:51.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: I asked about PATH on #fedora |
| 22:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | cehteh: why not falling stars as well ? :-P |
| 22:51.55 | pupnik | it looks so nice now SpeedEvil - i thought your piles of dirt were permanent |
| 22:51.56 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thats already there |
| 22:52.02 | cehteh | (since years) |
| 22:52.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG: the guys kindly educated me about that one should put a script to /etc/profile.d |
| 22:52.11 | DocScrutinizer | realtime ? |
| 22:52.13 | Venemo | MohammadAG: did that, works :P |
| 22:52.27 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4194615579/in/set-72157624825188447/ |
| 22:52.28 | cehteh | nah pseudorandom |
| 22:52.33 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 22:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | pffff |
| 22:52.49 | cehteh | SpeedEvil: lol |
| 22:53.16 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: well - behind that picture were the piles. Though there has been a _lot_ of progress on the lawns. |
| 22:53.19 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/sets/72157623642782601/ |
| 22:53.58 | HRH_H_Crab | hi, im desperate to try and get mpd installed on my n900 (but im beginning to think its not possible) |
| 22:54.05 | HRH_H_Crab | i've found this: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/mpd/ |
| 22:54.26 | HRH_H_Crab | but i can't seem to figure out what repository to add, or if that package is even suitable for the n900. |
| 22:54.28 | DocScrutinizer | Venemo: thanks for sharing. Never noticed that |
| 22:54.33 | HRH_H_Crab | i'm guessing thats for one of the older tablets? |
| 22:54.38 | HRH_H_Crab | can anyone assist a n00b? |
| 22:55.19 | MohammadAG | Venemo, never noticed /etc/profile.d, ty :) |
| 22:56.20 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG :) |
| 22:56.45 | MohammadAG | so, any suggestions before burning this microSD? |
| 22:57.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: dd? |
| 22:57.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | clean contacts? |
| 22:57.42 | Venemo | MohammadAG: low level formatting or something like that |
| 22:57.59 | Venemo | dunno it that's even possible for a microSD |
| 22:58.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no dev node |
| 22:58.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ouch |
| 23:00.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's been some tool to read out device basic data (ser#, manuf, pagesize, shit, class...) |
| 23:00.40 | NooBmonk3y | MohammadAG, !!! 3rd attempt, still building, and not instantly failed |
| 23:00.45 | NooBmonk3y | i may have almost got it right! |
| 23:00.47 | Dhraakellian | wewt! |
| 23:00.53 | Dhraakellian | I was able to edit the file from nitdroid! |
| 23:00.59 | Dhraakellian | needed a chmod 777 |
| 23:01.06 | Dhraakellian | since chmod a+w didn't work |
| 23:01.26 | Dhraakellian | is booting back into maemo now to see if hildon-desktop still craps out |
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| 23:02.40 | Dhraakellian | W00WH0M! |
| 23:02.44 | Dhraakellian | *ahem* |
| 23:02.54 | Dhraakellian | sorry 'bout that |
| 23:03.09 | T_X | MohammadAG: ah, now I got it, you're the maintainer :D. well, anyway, thanks again for the info :) |
| 23:03.11 | pupnik | what |
| 23:03.11 | Dhraakellian | now, is there any disadvantage to leaving the n900 in R&D mode? |
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| 23:03.30 | pupnik | people thinking you're silly |
| 23:03.36 | Dhraakellian | MohammadAG: problem fixed through NITDroid |
| 23:03.53 | MohammadAG | T_X, I'm not the developer though :) |
| 23:04.06 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, I always have my device in R&D mode |
| 23:04.27 | DocScrutinizer | it's discouraged |
| 23:04.27 | MohammadAG | with /etc/pmconfig's last line set to 0 to switch off lights |
| 23:04.30 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what good is R&D mode? |
| 23:04.35 | cehteh | blinking keyboard ftw :) |
| 23:04.52 | cehteh | never used R&D mode |
| 23:05.03 | MohammadAG | Venemo, I don't have to worry about dsme causing bootloops |
| 23:05.14 | MohammadAG | I can gain root without having rootsh |
| 23:05.26 | MohammadAG | very useful to install rootsh without using HAM :P |
| 23:05.36 | Venemo | MohammadAG: does it have any disadvantages? |
| 23:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 23:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes, sucks battery |
| 23:05.57 | Dhraakellian | ah |
| 23:06.02 | MohammadAG | if the lights are kept on |
| 23:06.02 | Dhraakellian | that'd be a good reason to turn it off |
| 23:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | won't restart services as you're used to |
| 23:06.17 | cehteh | ohnoes .. kamera doesnt work with power95 |
| 23:06.20 | cehteh | 45 |
| 23:06.23 | MohammadAG | Dhraakellian, or turn off lights |
| 23:06.30 | MohammadAG | as I do |
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| 23:06.49 | DocScrutinizer | still shit |
| 23:06.51 | MohammadAG | cehteh, fcamera* |
| 23:07.14 | cehteh | so far the stock camera app was still easier and better than fcam |
| 23:07.15 | DocScrutinizer | btw I wonder how that crap with root w/o rootsh works. |
| 23:07.36 | panda|x201 | Hi, anybody can let me know how to reach to the guy maintain Qole.org? |
| 23:07.37 | cehteh | hey and fcam doesnt work either |
| 23:07.46 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, sudo gainroot |
| 23:07.54 | MohammadAG | cat /usr/sbin/gainroot without rootsh |
| 23:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | what for do I fix my etc/sudoers.d/* when r&d makes device open like FR again? |
| 23:08.34 | MohammadAG | it's something like (pseudo code) if R&D enabled, gain a root shell, else, say enable R&D mode to break your device |
| 23:08.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, gainroot is always in sudoers |
| 23:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | not in mine |
| 23:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | at least not the way you think it is |
| 23:09.16 | Jaffa | panda|x201: He's sat over there -----^ |
| 23:09.28 | MohammadAG | it's ALWAYS in it, sure of that |
| 23:09.33 | Jaffa | Well, he was. |
| 23:09.41 | MohammadAG | but the script can only be used if R&D mode if on |
| 23:09.46 | cehteh | uhm there are graphics errors in the menues too .. |
| 23:09.46 | panda|x201 | Jaffa, over where? I mean I didn't find any email contact method or IRC nick on this website |
| 23:09.46 | MohammadAG | it checks using cal-tool |
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| 23:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: not after rm -rf /etc/sud* |
| 23:10.17 | Jaffa | panda|x201: As in, he was just sat in the same room as me 5 minutes ago. |
| 23:10.17 | panda|x201 | Jaffa, actually, I do wanna donate his excellent contribution |
| 23:10.28 | Jaffa | panda|x201: I've left a message for him |
| 23:10.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, lol k |
| 23:10.52 | panda|x201 | Jaffa, oh, really? physically in one room? or irc room? |
| 23:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: check http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 23:10.57 | panda|x201 | Jaffa, thanks anyway |
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| 23:13.19 | cehteh | ok power45 is borked |
| 23:14.32 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 23:15.46 | cehteh | no camera (neither bless900 nor fcam) |
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| 23:16.08 | cehteh | and some pixel errors in the menu, seems some graphics memory overwritten somehow |
| 23:16.12 | ShadowJK | well duh :-) |
| 23:16.23 | cehteh | lets test gps now |
| 23:17.05 | MohammadAG | cehteh, restart, the menu thing is an old hildon-desktop bug afaik |
| 23:17.46 | cehteh | yeah .. but still no camera |
| 23:17.59 | cehteh | fcam shows a grey screen only |
| 23:18.35 | cehteh | cant close fcam, have to kill it |
| 23:18.45 | MohammadAG | remove fcam-drivers? |
| 23:18.56 | cehteh | flashlight doesnt work either |
| 23:18.58 | ShadowJK | fcam wont work because the fcam kernel module wont load on random kernels |
| 23:19.03 | MohammadAG | remove fcam-drivers? |
| 23:19.21 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, it doesn't work even with the new headers |
| 23:19.32 | cehteh | ok lemme check for gps |
| 23:20.26 | cehteh | no gps ... |
| 23:20.40 | cehteh | remove this kernel i say |
| 23:22.00 | MohammadAG | GPS works for me... |
| 23:22.04 | MohammadAG | don't blame the kernel, blame the user :P |
| 23:22.13 | cehteh | haha |
| 23:22.50 | MohammadAG | power45 has hostmode patches as well as 1.3's patchet |
| 23:22.54 | MohammadAG | patchset |
| 23:23.00 | cehteh | what can i do but turning it on |
| 23:23.29 | cehteh | mappero just dont get a fix, gps logger doesnt open. possibly crashes |
| 23:28.03 | cehteh | back to power40+hostmode |
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| 23:42.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | Power40+hostmode? |
| 23:42.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | never been such thing? |
| 23:42.42 | MohammadAG | that's power42 I think |
| 23:42.51 | MohammadAG | power45 is fine |
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| 23:46.47 | cehteh | MohammadAG's prelimary was power40+hostmode |
| 23:46.54 | cehteh | (never official or?) |
| 23:47.11 | MohammadAG | power 40 + hostmode is mine |
| 23:47.24 | cehteh | yes |
| 23:47.32 | cehteh | i am using that |
| 23:48.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: GUI update? |
| 23:49.36 | MohammadAG | nope, haven't pushed anything today |
| 23:49.41 | MohammadAG | 0.2-8 is days old |
| 23:49.48 | MohammadAG | fixes mount issues to shut users up |
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| 23:49.59 | cehteh | n8 |
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| 23:51.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | n8 cT |
| 23:52.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: I already started bashing users about no special kernel dependencies, GUI will check and warn |
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| 23:59.16 | alterego | I know we mock Nokia a lot, but tbh, they have put a lot of work into maemo and the N900 |
