| 00:00.02 | jacekowski | CONNECTED(00000003) |
| 00:01.26 | jacekowski | i suppose it's lack of legacy ssl |
| 00:02.03 | timeless_xchat | please excuse my ignorance? |
| 00:02.06 | timeless_xchat | ? |
| 00:02.27 | jacekowski | well, you can connect to port 5223 and connection is encrypted from moment you connect |
| 00:02.30 | jacekowski | that's legacy ssl |
| 00:02.37 | jacekowski | and there is option 2 |
| 00:03.01 | jacekowski | connect on 5222 and request start of encryption |
| 00:03.25 | timeless_xchat | ok |
| 00:03.35 | timeless_xchat | so i need a different command to sclient |
| 00:03.57 | jacekowski | http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/xmppwg/2002-October/000192.html |
| 00:04.45 | timeless_xchat | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:04.46 | timeless_xchat | ? |
| 00:05.35 | jacekowski | not sure if anything except full jabber client has support for starttls |
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| 00:06.00 | jacekowski | in jabber |
| 00:06.14 | jacekowski | it's simpler with smtp for example |
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| 00:06.50 | jacekowski | jacekowski:~# nc jacekowski.org 25 |
| 00:06.50 | jacekowski | 220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix |
| 00:06.50 | jacekowski | STARTTLS |
| 00:06.50 | jacekowski | 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS |
| 00:06.56 | jacekowski | and now encrypted connection starts |
| 00:07.09 | jacekowski | with jabber you have to ask nicely if server has starttls support |
| 00:07.15 | jacekowski | and then request it |
| 00:07.26 | jacekowski | anyways |
| 00:07.29 | jacekowski | i'm going to sleep |
| 00:07.31 | jacekowski | good nigh |
| 00:07.40 | timeless_xchat | try adding what i wrote to the system line |
| 00:07.50 | timeless_xchat | quickly, please :) |
| 00:09.23 | timeless_xchat | oh well |
| 00:09.33 | timeless_xchat | anyone else have jabber? |
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| 00:25.57 | timeless_xchat | jacekowski : ok, your server is now handled by my script, thanks |
| 00:26.57 | timeless_xchat | sadly, it looks like handling multiple jabbers would almost certainly require 'nc' |
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| 00:30.16 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 00:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | socat FTW |
| 00:30.31 | timeless_xchat | ? |
| 00:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | curses socat for being so versatile I can't even recal where to look in the manpage for the proper cmdline arguments |
| 00:32.58 | timeless_xchat | fwiw, i need "listen 127.0.1.2:5001" + "forward_to 123.45.67.89" |
| 00:33.01 | DocScrutinizer | when netcat is like notepad then socat is like a disk editor |
| 00:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | probably a `alias nc socat $1:stdin $1:stdout' or sth like that would do |
| 00:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: then it seems socat is for you |
| 00:36.16 | DocScrutinizer | Manual page socat(1) line 2649/2686 (END) o.O |
| 00:36.42 | timeless_xchat | doc, i don't have time to deal w/ it |
| 00:36.56 | timeless_xchat | if i gave you params, could you make it work? |
| 00:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | lol, exactly what I'm thinking each single time |
| 00:37.39 | timeless_xchat | if client disconnects, the port needs to survive |
| 00:38.00 | timeless_xchat | and if host breaks, client connection needs to break |
| 00:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | man socat, /socat TCP:host2:4443 TUN:192.168.255.1/24,up |
| 00:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | there's a number of examples :-D |
| 00:39.22 | timeless_xchat | n900s don't have man :) |
| 00:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | socat -U TCP:target:9999,end-close TCP-L:8888,reuseaddr,fork |
| 00:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | it has, apt-get install n900-man-db |
| 00:39.51 | |njsf| | timeless_xchat mine has |
| 00:40.00 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if socat comes with manpages though |
| 00:40.08 | |njsf| | has DocScrutinizer said |
| 00:41.23 | |njsf| | no socat here |
| 00:41.43 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_xchat: took me only one week of whining and bitching, to make MohammadAG built mandb for me :-P |
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| 00:42.55 | alterego | Hah |
| 00:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | though the eleventy time I moaned about it before nobody listened |
| 00:44.55 | kaiex | hi. n900 with pr1.3 - xterm - german keyboard - I want to enter pipe - how? - in the past I could use blue-arrow+sym-strg key, but that seems to broken, no key-select-popup-menu |
| 00:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | damn those socat cmdline examples look geeky |
| 00:45.30 | timeless_xchat | kaiex: try blue EUR |
| 00:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? blue-arrow+ctrl does not pop up vkbd? |
| 00:46.32 | timeless_xchat | doc; not if you have e.g. hebrew keyboard installed |
| 00:46.36 | kaiex | no popup |
| 00:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 00:46.53 | timeless_xchat | which repo(s) have socat? |
| 00:47.00 | DocScrutinizer | errrr |
| 00:47.09 | nox- | i had that once in fennec(?), vkbd would just non pop up... |
| 00:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check for you |
| 00:47.15 | kaiex | bluearrow + y/⬠key does give me ⬠not pipe |
| 00:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 00:47.35 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache search socat |
| 00:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | socat - multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer |
| 00:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | so it's either in extras, -devel, -testing, or tools :-P |
| 00:48.14 | timeless_xchat | kaiex : collapse hardware keyboard |
| 00:48.18 | timeless_xchat | trigger onscreen |
| 00:48.29 | timeless_xchat | doc: apt-cache policy/show? |
| 00:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | Filename: pool/fremantle/free/s/socat/socat_1.6.0.1-maemo5_armel.deb |
| 00:49.38 | DocScrutinizer | if that's what you asked for |
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| 00:50.11 | kaiex | how trigger onscreen? weird, popup works in communi irc client, not in xterm |
| 00:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:50.45 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | I still feel like my catalog selection is a mess, or why T F are there two identical refs? |
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| 00:52.56 | MSJ | help plz |
| 00:52.57 | kaiex | also, collapse and trigger popup keyboard works in irc client, broken in xterm |
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| 00:53.12 | MSJ | anybody my nokia n900 having problem booting |
| 00:53.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~ask |
| 00:53.22 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:53.58 | ahynes1 | I've just upgraded to power44 and can no longer boot successfully |
| 00:54.11 | timeless_xchat | kaiex : tap screen of x terminal? |
| 00:54.24 | kaiex | nothing happens |
| 00:54.36 | ahynes1 | I suspect it is because of I was running power40/multiboot/nitdroid |
| 00:54.49 | MSJ | i installed hotspot on my nokia n900 now something called u-boot comes up and wouldt let it come into the maemo |
| 00:55.25 | kaiex | ok thanks for your help i conclude my device or settings are messed up |
| 00:55.27 | DocScrutinizer | ahynes1: yes, that's not really simple to update a kernel |
| 00:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | on multiboot/whatever bootmanager |
| 00:55.44 | ahynes1 | MSJ hotspot depends on power-kernel power-kernel was just updated to use uboot |
| 00:56.00 | MSJ | oky how do i get my it m |
| 00:56.06 | MSJ | back to normal |
| 00:56.07 | ahynes1 | the power-kernel upgrade appears to have presented problems to a bunch of people. |
| 00:56.20 | MSJ | i can not reflash begause it dosent go to flash mode |
| 00:56.24 | ahynes1 | Most likely you will have to reflash your device. |
| 00:56.38 | MSJ | its not possible i can not do anything |
| 00:56.51 | MSJ | it dosent connect my com and the nokia phone |
| 00:56.51 | MSJ | mand |
| 00:56.52 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot when finding a system on uSD boots that system unconditionally afaik |
| 00:57.12 | ahynes1 | You can probably get it to reflash... I'll give talk you through it in a sec |
| 00:57.22 | alterego | You can tell it to boot maemo |
| 00:57.25 | ahynes1 | Doc - uBoot is interruptable. |
| 00:57.29 | MSJ | i can only write stuff on it when i try presssing u |
| 00:57.40 | MSJ | how |
| 00:57.42 | alterego | Has an interactive console |
| 00:57.47 | ahynes1 | If you press a key during the first three seconds of the uboot sequence, it interrupts |
| 00:58.18 | ahynes1 | MSJ You should try that... Boot, hit any key quickly.... |
| 00:58.24 | ahynes1 | Then, type run noloboot |
| 00:58.35 | ahynes1 | That may get you back into your N900 |
| 00:59.16 | ahynes1 | If that fails, power off the N900 (remove battery if necessary to do it) |
| 00:59.18 | MSJ | image name kernal power still |
| 00:59.47 | ahynes1 | Start the flasher command on your host without the N900 on. |
| 00:59.53 | DocScrutinizer | or type run tictactoe and enjoy uBoot as an alternative OS to friggin bloated maemo (just kidding) |
| 00:59.56 | ahynes1 | It should give you a 'waiting for USB type message) |
| 01:00.12 | MSJ | whait a sec |
| 01:00.13 | ahynes1 | Then power on your N900... |
| 01:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | NO, just plug in unpowered N900 |
| 01:00.43 | DocScrutinizer | it'll power up automatically |
| 01:01.29 | MSJ | i can not shut i dont with presset the power botton |
| 01:01.43 | ahynes1 | MSJ Remove the battery. |
| 01:01.50 | MSJ | done |
| 01:02.11 | MSJ | what then |
| 01:02.16 | ahynes1 | Then, with flasher running on your host and the cable connected, put the battery back in |
| 01:02.21 | ahynes1 | It should reboot and flash |
| 01:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | insert battery, DO NOT power up, start flasher on PC, plug in N900 |
| 01:03.00 | DocScrutinizer | or what ahynes1 said |
| 01:03.40 | MSJ | i can flash on windows 7 32 bit right |
| 01:03.42 | MSJ | === |
| 01:03.53 | DocScrutinizer | usually |
| 01:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | though linux is much less trouble |
| 01:04.14 | MSJ | i downlaoded the program flasher 3,5 to windows 7 |
| 01:04.21 | MSJ | i dont have linux |
| 01:04.47 | DocScrutinizer | as windows tends to install drivers that occupy the USB port, when you connect N900 without flashing right away |
| 01:05.39 | DocScrutinizer | linux also does that sometimes, but there you can simply rmmod the drivers that are getting in the way |
| 01:06.00 | MSJ | the cmd window does nothing |
| 01:06.14 | MSJ | i have flashed it on windows 7 before and it worked |
| 01:06.19 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like a windows problem |
| 01:06.20 | MSJ | so what the probmen??? |
| 01:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I hardly know to spell windows |
| 01:06.46 | MSJ | it can not be for fun that nokia but the flasher towindows 7 |
| 01:06.58 | ahynes1 | MSJ: I moved to Linux because of those problems.... |
| 01:07.04 | ahynes1 | However, there is another thing you may want to try. |
| 01:07.11 | MSJ | oky |
| 01:07.13 | MSJ | goo |
| 01:07.13 | ahynes1 | Are you running the flasher program in Admin mode? |
| 01:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | madatory |
| 01:07.35 | MSJ | whait |
| 01:07.46 | MSJ | i try again in admin mode |
| 01:07.55 | ahynes1 | I remember working on a Windows Vista box that flasher would work fine in admin mode, but hang if not in admin mode |
| 01:08.10 | DocScrutinizer | yes, mandatory |
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| 01:08.24 | MSJ | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 01:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | I think it's boldly mentioned in flashing page of wiki |
| 01:08.57 | MSJ | http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/ |
| 01:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 01:09.09 | infobot | somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | also 2010.19-1 is PR1.2 - is that what you want to do? |
| 01:11.28 | MSJ | no sry |
| 01:13.51 | MSJ | i can not |
| 01:13.58 | MSJ | i going to be crazy |
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| 01:20.27 | DocScrutinizer | make sure your battery is charged (I know, a difficult task when it's not booting properly) - as NOLO bootloader won't accept 'u' or flashing when battery is low |
| 01:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | make sure flasher on PC says "waiting... bla blub whatever nagedinag" and NOT "device occupied" or any other error msg |
| 01:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | then follow instruction as given above by ahynes1 - it must work. NOLO gets invoked before it even touches uBoot or anything else you might have messed up. So no way it could fail, except for your equipment (PC cable etc) or battery |
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| 01:27.02 | MSJ | i try again |
| 01:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTlmziroGZY (game on TV by N900) |
| 01:30.33 | javispedro | that's the power of the sgx :) |
| 01:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 01:30.57 | DocScrutinizer | the magic of javispedro |
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| 01:32.04 | javispedro | :D |
| 01:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | maemo community creating a quite ambivalent and heterogenous experience. One moment you think "what a bunch of smart geeks" and next minute you run for the pumpgun to shoot lemmings |
| 01:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | well I guess that's real life |
| 01:34.21 | javispedro | be careful not to fall down a bottomless pit while chasing lemmings =) |
| 01:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 01:35.27 | pupnik | that was some great low-res pixel work |
| 01:39.30 | alterego | Heh, I'm laying in the darl, didn@t think my screen was dark enough: echo 5 to /sys/class/backlight/blah/brightness :) |
| 01:39.33 | kaiex | my meego boot attempt stalls at "gen ssh rsa server key" |
| 01:39.44 | SpeedEvil | alterego: IIRC 2 is the minimum - for me |
| 01:39.45 | javispedro | note that step might take a lot |
| 01:39.54 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I wish it went lower personally. |
| 01:39.59 | javispedro | kaiex: wait two-three minutes before conceding defeat |
| 01:40.05 | kaiex | more than 10 minutes and I gave up. |
| 01:40.07 | SpeedEvil | alterego: I want it to be usable without disturbing dark adaption. |
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| 01:40.35 | alterego | 2 is good |
| 01:40.36 | MSJ | dosent work |
| 01:40.39 | MSJ | i am doomed |
| 01:41.04 | alterego | Now, can I lower the brightness of the keypad using the leds interface? |
| 01:41.21 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Annoyingly, it seems to be controlled inside the LCD - the PWM is not coming from the CPU, so making it go dimer is harder |
| 01:41.49 | alterego | Hrm :/ |
| 01:41.50 | MSJ | no one knows how this u-boot works |
| 01:42.01 | MSJ | is there no commands i can use to reset myu nokia n90 |
| 01:42.03 | MSJ | 0 |
| 01:42.18 | alterego | MSJ what do you mean reset? |
| 01:42.33 | kaiex | msj have you read http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot |
| 01:42.34 | MSJ | just wanna have my phone back as it was |
| 01:42.55 | ahynes1 | MSJ: Your best bet is reflashing the kernel, then use option 0 for a stock boot |
| 01:42.55 | kaiex | see end of page |
| 01:43.01 | alterego | MSJ: what is wrong with it now? |
| 01:43.59 | MSJ | nothing works man... it boots on something called u-boot and just stops |
| 01:44.12 | MSJ | no meamo starting |
| 01:44.20 | MSJ | nothing |
| 01:44.56 | MSJ | lalix i dont want meego i want maemo |
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| 01:45.17 | ahynes1 | MSJ: I think I've managed to recover my N900. |
| 01:45.18 | alterego | sighs |
| 01:45.31 | ahynes1 | I'm testing a few things now, and will write notes about how to rix things shortly |
| 01:45.40 | MSJ | oky |
| 01:45.54 | MSJ | recover your nokia from ??? |
| 01:45.57 | MSJ | u boot |
| 01:45.57 | MSJ | == |
| 01:46.44 | ahynes1 | My situation: Had multiboot installed, had power kernel installed. |
| 01:46.58 | ahynes1 | Did an update today which updated power kernel. |
| 01:47.08 | ahynes1 | At this point my N900 stopped booting. |
| 01:47.24 | ahynes1 | Reflashed kernel only.... |
| 01:47.32 | ahynes1 | rebooted using option 0 for stock reboot. |
| 01:47.41 | ahynes1 | uninstalled multiboot, reinstalled multiboot. |
| 01:47.54 | ahynes1 | (as well as the various multiboot kernel options) |
| 01:48.01 | ahynes1 | Now, it appears to be working okay. |
| 01:48.07 | ahynes1 | Just need to test a few more options. |
| 01:49.21 | MSJ | óky |
| 01:49.42 | MSJ | but i have porblem just flashing the thing |
| 01:49.58 | MSJ | what system is your computer |
| 01:50.07 | ahynes1 | That may simply be a windows 7 problem. |
| 01:50.07 | alterego | for i in $(ls -d /sys/class/leds/*:kb*); do echo 5 > $i/led-current; done |
| 01:50.22 | alterego | think I might make a 'night-mode' script :) |
| 01:50.38 | MSJ | oky what does it do |
| 01:50.38 | MSJ | === |
| 01:50.39 | MSJ | ?== |
| 01:50.51 | ahynes1 | MSJ: Are you running your flasher command from a command prompt with administrative rights? |
| 01:51.22 | MSJ | yes i right clik and run the cmd with admin mode |
| 01:51.33 | MSJ | something wired happends now it says |
| 01:52.30 | MSJ | flsher-3.5 - F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f |
| 01:52.36 | MSJ | when i write this |
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| 01:53.38 | MSJ | SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002 |
| 01:53.38 | MSJ | Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB |
| 01:53.38 | MSJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.38 | MSJ | Image 'rootfs', size 185856 kB |
| 01:53.38 | MSJ | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:53.38 | MSJ | FIASCO subimage data length mismatch |
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| 01:53.42 | MSJ | why is that |
| 01:53.45 | MSJ | on the cmd |
| 01:53.47 | nox- | i remember ppl here talking aber the linux flasher working better than the windows version |
| 01:53.47 | MSJ | menu |
| 01:54.26 | MSJ | yearh but now only have windows 7 on mine so could we just focus on that plz people... |
| 01:55.11 | ahynes1 | Are you sure your image file is okay (Didn't get truncated in downloading, or anything like that?) |
| 01:55.18 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: keyboard leds are controlled in LP5523 |
| 01:55.24 | ahynes1 | Also, you might try doing a kernel only reflash... |
| 01:55.29 | ahynes1 | That is what worked for me |
| 01:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | any yes, you can controll these |
| 01:55.56 | ahynes1 | flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R |
| 01:56.14 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: I know, you can change their intensity with that one liner I just posted |
| 01:56.25 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 01:56.40 | DocScrutinizer | was reading backscroll the natural direction top down |
| 01:56.47 | alterego | :) |
| 01:57.05 | MSJ | i download the global one now and try with that |
| 01:57.08 | MSJ | oky |
| 01:57.35 | alterego | Just wrote a little "night-mode.sh" which makes the screen backlight the min 2 and the keypad 5, a lot nicer on the eyes :D |
| 01:58.05 | timeless_xchat | jacekowski : your certificate expired a month ago |
| 01:58.12 | timeless_xchat | kicks cmcli |
| 01:58.24 | timeless_xchat | no warning if certificate is expired |
| 01:58.31 | timeless_xchat | just no import |
| 01:58.39 | MSJ | i hate my self for instaling hotspot shit program |
| 01:58.55 | MSJ | why do people not warning people about these programs |
| 01:59.14 | alterego | MSJ: they do |
| 01:59.30 | alterego | There's a disclaimer on all installs :P |
| 01:59.45 | MSJ | so i am never there when it happends... i lever install a program that i dont know off.. from now on... |
| 01:59.48 | alterego | Not to mention, you're installing from extras-devel .. |
| 02:00.26 | MSJ | i thought i could always been flashed back to what it is |
| 02:00.30 | MSJ | bot like this |
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| 02:01.56 | MSJ | i can still charnge the battery or what |
| 02:02.05 | MSJ | when its on that boot thing |
| 02:02.06 | MSJ | ??? |
| 02:02.15 | alterego | Do we have a "complete" gpio mapping? |
| 02:02.24 | lolcat | Any more fun things I need for my maemo device? |
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| 02:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: not at all |
| 02:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
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| 02:04.09 | alterego | :/ |
| 02:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot source might have a partial one |
| 02:04.32 | alterego | I guess we can get it all from the schematics |
| 02:04.45 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, yes |
| 02:05.16 | alterego | I'm only asking for my MeeGo work ;) |
| 02:05.18 | chx | i wonder whether we could appeal to Nokia to releae more open source now that tehy abandoned the device. (I presume they did, wasnt PR1.3 the last?) |
| 02:05.20 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: tbh I just don't know |
| 02:05.26 | alterego | blasphemy in here :D |
| 02:05.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe there's a nice gpio.h somewhere in the maemo git |
| 02:06.16 | alterego | chx: there are still a few killer issues that need fixing, I really hope there's at least a pr1.3.1 ;) |
| 02:06.58 | sheepbat | I see we have a lolcat in here |
| 02:08.15 | wmarone | o_O |
| 02:08.30 | wmarone | why is my phone acting like all of my pictures are being taken rotated 90 degrees |
| 02:08.33 | wmarone | pokes it |
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| 02:09.43 | SpeedEvil | The accel can get wedged |
| 02:09.50 | SpeedEvil | requiring a reboot to fix it |
| 02:10.26 | wmarone | hmm, will try that |
| 02:11.38 | alterego | "wedged" what does that mean exactly :P |
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| 02:13.29 | SpeedEvil | One or more axes gets stuck at an extreme. |
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| 02:13.59 | alterego | Physically? |
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| 02:16.26 | SpeedEvil | probably not. |
| 02:16.46 | kaiex | meego boot attempt on n900 has now been stalling for 24 minutes... Still no change |
| 02:16.56 | alterego | wonders how long it'll take to decompress and dd the meego image to his microsd all on the N900 |
| 02:17.00 | SpeedEvil | try generating some entropy |
| 02:17.03 | SpeedEvil | press buttons |
| 02:17.07 | SpeedEvil | randomly for a bit |
| 02:17.07 | kaiex | ... Ssh1 rsa host keygwn |
| 02:17.14 | kaiex | Ok |
| 02:17.24 | alterego | Weird, I've never had that issue |
| 02:17.50 | alterego | I must be in a high entropy area |
| 02:18.54 | SpeedEvil | That is a clear bug. |
| 02:19.27 | SpeedEvil | If the touchscreen is actie |
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| 02:20.15 | alterego | Good evening MohammadAG51 |
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| 02:21.00 | kaiex | dont know about touch screen. But pressed keys are shown on screen |
| 02:21.13 | alterego | Anyone going to be at the conference next week? |
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| 02:21.40 | kaiex | No effect yet |
| 02:21.44 | SpeedEvil | I mean - if the touchscreen is active - it can generate lots of entropy |
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| 02:22.05 | alterego | Yeah |
| 02:22.07 | SpeedEvil | I'd mount the image from some ther OS, and drop a ssh key on it |
| 02:22.18 | alterego | indeed |
| 02:22.22 | kaiex | Ok |
| 02:22.39 | alterego | Still, I've not had that issue when I've booted the image |
| 02:24.34 | alterego | 851Mb still decompressing. |
| 02:25.00 | alterego | Anyone know how big the image is? :) |
| 02:25.22 | alterego | Can't be much more than a gig |
| 02:25.36 | kaiex | uboot prompt should allow more time to type. Shuts down n900 if i type slowly |
| 02:26.01 | kaiex | 1.9x gig |
| 02:26.45 | alterego | kaiex: that's the N900s hardware watchdog |
| 02:27.41 | alterego | It needs to be poll'd every 20 seconds or something or the device restarts, if you set a couple of flags in r&d mode on your n900 with the flasher you can disable the watchdog |
| 02:27.48 | kaiex | then maybe the command should be shorter. Run nl |
| 02:28.08 | alterego | fff |
| 02:28.16 | alterego | lrn2type :P |
| 02:28.46 | kaiex | Difficult in bed in the dark; keyboard is not lit |
| 02:29.06 | kaiex | :) |
| 02:29.18 | alterego | Heh |
| 02:29.19 | alterego | Ah yes, that is a problem :D |
| 02:35.35 | alterego | Now, how long will it take to write the image :D |
| 02:37.23 | alterego | anyway, bed time, night folks |
| 02:37.34 | pupnik | nite alterego |
| 02:39.48 | kaiex | Nite |
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| 02:42.03 | Judibet | Hi all! |
| 02:45.27 | pupnik | huhu |
| 02:46.33 | nox- | you back on maemo now pupnik? |
| 02:47.17 | pupnik | no but i still like these arm cpus and linux |
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| 02:47.38 | pupnik | except they broke my thinkpad touchscreen with latest updates |
| 02:47.46 | pupnik | i could go back to an old sidux cd |
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| 02:48.11 | nox- | :( |
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| 03:32.04 | Termana | good morning |
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| 04:20.14 | Gorroth | hi |
| 04:20.27 | Gorroth | uploading my second revision of the ettercap package to extras-devel |
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| 04:34.11 | Gorroth | okay, package is in extras-devel now. this time it supports ncurses and also GTK |
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| 04:34.41 | Gorroth | and it has PCRE support in it. so, it has everything except passive DNS. can't figure out yet why -lresolv isn't working for that |
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| 05:41.35 | jpinx-eeepc | where can I change the behaviour of the screen-off timer - Apart from the gui which does not allow me a "no screen off" option. |
| 05:42.46 | jpinx-eeepc | on charge the screen stays on, but when fully charged and still plugged in because of the usb network the screen goes off according to the timer, making my vnc session a bit redundant :( |
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| 05:44.08 | johnx | what I would do is check gconf for the timeout |
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| 05:44.21 | johnx | you might be abe to set it to an arbitrary number |
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| 05:51.21 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: gconf is where? |
| 05:51.45 | johnx | gconftool -R / | more |
| 05:52.07 | johnx | the values are stored in multiple places |
| 05:52.38 | jpinx-eeepc | ok - thanks |
| 05:53.11 | jpinx-eeepc | fwiw - this has only become an issue since the recent os update.... |
| 05:56.48 | johnx | ah, isn't there a setting to keep the screen on while charging? |
| 05:59.50 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: yes - but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in |
| 06:00.09 | johnx | that has to be a mistake ... |
| 06:00.19 | johnx | (I mean on their part, not yours) |
| 06:01.10 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 06:01.24 | jpinx-eeepc | I reckon it's a bug in the update |
| 06:02.12 | johnx | anyways, on the N8x0 there was no "screen on during charging" but there was a way to change the list of time-outs in the menu |
| 06:02.21 | johnx | 24 hours is a pretty good choice, for example :) |
| 06:04.26 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I'd set it for something like 2 hours, as that is probably the maximum I will use vnc for |
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| 06:11.30 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: that gconftool thingie is going to take me a week to read :( |
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| 06:16.13 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: thank goodness I brought it up in a screen session ;) |
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| 06:17.18 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, awesome. use the 'search' tool in screen to look for likely candidates: timeout, display, screen, dim, and that kind of thing |
| 06:17.59 | jpinx-eeepc | yep - just been doing that ;) |
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| 06:26.32 | slonopotamus | Maemo ULTimate BOOTloader - what's that? |
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| 06:31.16 | Appiah | sounds like a ultimate bootloader |
| 06:31.20 | Appiah | for maemo |
| 06:32.50 | slonopotamus | u-boot? one more shellscript like bootmenu? |
| 06:34.49 | lucent | or a famous deli sandwich |
| 06:35.05 | strcpy | Is the "smscon" application developer around ? |
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| 06:41.41 | slonopotamus | wonders what's the point posting flash videos that require flash10 on maemo planet that is likely to be read with maemo devices that do not have flash10 |
| 06:42.47 | Appiah | to mess with people |
| 06:42.50 | Appiah | and have a good laugh? |
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| 06:43.04 | slonopotamus | another question is what was the reason to require flash10 at all. |
| 06:43.19 | Appiah | I belive thats default if you create a flash.. |
| 06:43.40 | slonopotamus | default is upload to youtube/vimeo/whatever |
| 06:44.59 | slonopotamus | Appiah: that just makes me think that poster is kinda short-minded |
| 06:45.17 | slonopotamus | or doesn't use maemo devices actually :) |
| 06:45.24 | Appiah | then complain to the poster? |
| 06:46.04 | slonopotamus | yawns |
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| 06:46.32 | slonopotamus | Appiah: will do on next post maybe :) |
| 06:47.52 | slonopotamus | tries to remember how to disable that braindamaged thing that triggers reboot on n8x0 on intensive swapping |
| 06:49.37 | johnx | slonopotamus, watchdog? |
| 06:50.04 | slonopotamus | johnx: afair, yep |
| 06:50.04 | kerio | wasn't flash 10 released for the n900 in *some* way? |
| 06:50.20 | Appiah | nope |
| 06:50.27 | Appiah | or do you mean flashtweak? |
| 06:50.29 | slonopotamus | kerio: "some way" - ? |
| 06:50.43 | kerio | slonopotamus: wink wink nudge nudge saynomore |
| 06:50.47 | lucent | slonopotamus: that's... special. |
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| 06:55.12 | slonopotamus_ | kerio: maemo has 9,0,277,0 |
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| 06:59.36 | SwedeMike | my N900 is running dnsmasqd, is this part of the normal install, or is this something that came with some other package? |
| 07:00.01 | johnx | normal install |
| 07:00.27 | SwedeMike | hm, so my DNS64/NAT64 problems shouldn't be related to this? :P |
| 07:00.44 | johnx | well, it could be |
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| 07:01.00 | johnx | but a reflash probably won't fix it |
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| 07:01.39 | SwedeMike | because the t-mobile people are saying they have 100 N900 users on DNS64/NAT64 working fine |
| 07:02.31 | johnx | I was like "NAT64 on t-mo?!" then, I remembered you're on t-mo in a different country :) |
| 07:03.09 | SwedeMike | they're running test customers in the US. I'm in sweden, and I work for Tele2, we have 2G/3G/4G too. |
| 07:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: ( but when it's fully charged it is not "charging" anymore and the screen timer kicks in ) this would mean this is either a new bug in 1.3, or it completely nonsensically occurs only when charging via host but not for wallwart charger |
| 07:03.33 | SwedeMike | so my test isn't really related to t-mobile apart from me exchanging experiences with them |
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| 07:04.17 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, jpinx-eeepc indicated it was new behavior with PR1.3, as far as he could tell |
| 07:04.34 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: the latter is most unlikely, and the behaviour most definitely only started after the update |
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| 07:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: so another side effect aka bug introduced by 161191 :-/ |
| 07:05.13 | johnx | #161191 |
| 07:05.20 | SwedeMike | hm, changing resolver to our DNS64-gateway doesn't seem to fix it, so it's not related to dnsmasqd |
| 07:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: NB#161191 |
| 07:05.44 | johnx | infobot, you're lazy |
| 07:05.54 | johnx | aaah, well that's not helpful then |
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| 07:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | no, infobot is out of the gane |
| 07:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | game* |
| 07:06.20 | jpinx-eeepc | lazybot ) |
| 07:06.22 | johnx | infobot, sorry. we're all in this together it seems |
| 07:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | povbot is lost on NB# |
| 07:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blobdiff;f=drivers/usb/musb/musb_core.c;h=6cb7d13fdf067c95ff943ae0326598a9ef6f9d6f;hp=6adab83d7948b98b7d9fece2c921f94b8965a25a;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4;hpb=a78d411c6518eb7dd038eef6668f78a7e6c14ec4 |
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| 07:08.01 | SwedeMike | hm, so I've had my N900 since newyears, only repo I have enabled is extras-testing, and I haven't really mucked around that much with other weird packages (I've installed nmap, traceroute, tcpdump and a few others), updated normally via appmanager. I don't really have experience with re-flashing, how much work is it to get back to where I was if I re-flash it? is there an especially good guide for this? |
| 07:08.23 | DocScrutinizer | we (council, kernel hackers) already decided it has to die, err get reverted |
| 07:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | though I can't yet make a story out of the timer thing and how it's related to this |
| 07:09.16 | SwedeMike | is http://www.maemofanatics.com/how-to-flash-your-nokia-n900/ still working? |
| 07:09.29 | johnx | SwedeMike, take a backup, reflash, apply the parts of the backup you want to keep, possibly redo settings in apps that don't hook into the backup system |
| 07:09.31 | johnx | reinstall apps |
| 07:09.34 | slonopotamus_ | SwedeMike: you want doublereflash? why? |
| 07:10.00 | SwedeMike | slonopotamus_: I have weird problems with IPv6 that I have a hard time diagnosing, so I'm considering reflash |
| 07:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 07:10.14 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 07:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | do a backup first |
| 07:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | restore after flashing |
| 07:10.53 | DocScrutinizer | though odds are you restore your problems as well |
| 07:11.17 | SwedeMike | m, might be. |
| 07:11.19 | johnx | I tend to restore just my contacts and message log |
| 07:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | on a second thought... as backup app only backups apps that came by HAM... |
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| 07:11.53 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, not necessarily true I think. I think apps make an entry to have their stuff backed up |
| 07:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | well, you're free to reflash as often as you like, and to restore partially |
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| 07:12.13 | johnx | exactly |
| 07:12.19 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 07:12.22 | timeless_mbp | johnx: so... |
| 07:12.34 | johnx | timeless_mbp, dead hard drive |
| 07:12.41 | SwedeMike | oki, I have plenty of time this evening or tomorrow so I'm going to try that. |
| 07:12.43 | timeless_mbp | what's the "easiest" way to move the system's date to X; do something and restore date to Y |
| 07:12.52 | timeless_mbp | johnx: ignoring that for a bit |
| 07:13.10 | johnx | date -s && echo I'm in the future && date -s |
| 07:13.12 | johnx | I think it's -s |
| 07:13.16 | johnx | man date |
| 07:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: that's been a question? |
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| 07:13.42 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: my mac is panic'ing under zfs |
| 07:13.44 | johnx | but why not just do it now and then touch the file with whatever date you want |
| 07:13.57 | timeless_mbp | johnx: because i'm talking to a stupid program |
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| 07:14.04 | timeless_mbp | which validates certificates against system time |
| 07:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | stop ntp, date -s, do whatever you want |
| 07:14.48 | timeless_mbp | not really sufficient |
| 07:15.07 | timeless_mbp | to do that, i need to also store ticks since system boot and then properly restore them |
| 07:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | ?? |
| 07:15.22 | DocScrutinizer | err sure? |
| 07:15.48 | johnx | eh? |
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| 07:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp found mushrooms |
| 07:16.38 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, let's watch to see if they're the kind that kill him or the kind that trip him out |
| 07:16.42 | timeless_mbp | date requires one to set minutes |
| 07:16.47 | timeless_mbp | (vaguely annoying) |
| 07:16.54 | johnx | -f for input format |
| 07:17.01 | johnx | I like seconds since the epoch myself |
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| 07:18.12 | timeless_mbp | ideally i could say "set the date to today - Xdays" |
| 07:18.19 | timeless_mbp | and "set the date to today + Xdays" |
| 07:18.45 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: so do it, just do it |
| 07:18.52 | johnx | so write a script ... |
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| 07:18.57 | johnx | bash isn't hard. I promise |
| 07:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | date -s "friday next week teatime" |
| 07:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | ^^^ valid for gnu date |
| 07:19.42 | johnx | PHP's date handling is close to that ... |
| 07:19.52 | johnx | I think os x uses bsd date |
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| 07:19.59 | timeless_mbp | osx does |
| 07:20.08 | timeless_mbp | thankfully i only have to talk to n900's busybox date |
| 07:20.18 | timeless_mbp | and maybe gnu date if someone is stupid enough to poison their n900 |
| 07:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | messybox, pffft |
| 07:20.50 | timeless_mbp | tries to figure out what busybox date likes |
| 07:20.51 | kerio | i still don't get why we're using busybox instead of something good |
| 07:20.59 | DocScrutinizer | nuttin |
| 07:21.08 | timeless_mbp | kerio: can we not go there? |
| 07:21.17 | timeless_mbp | some of us need to get work done in time for a presentation on meego |
| 07:21.18 | DocScrutinizer | messybox likes nuttin, and nobody likes messybox |
| 07:21.24 | kerio | no, let's go there |
| 07:21.26 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: sounds about right |
| 07:21.34 | kerio | long ride to school, i have nothing fun to do |
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| 07:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: RAM footprint, mainly |
| 07:22.08 | timeless_mbp | kerio: write me a script which: sets date to +/- Xdays; runs arbitrary command, sets date to -/+ Xdays |
| 07:22.17 | timeless_mbp | s/RAM/ROM/ |
| 07:22.29 | kerio | timeless_mbp: nothanks |
| 07:22.30 | timeless_mbp | well, maybe both |
| 07:22.38 | timeless_mbp | kerio: you said you have nothing to do! |
| 07:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: may the script consist of apt-get install cmds as well? :-P |
| 07:23.36 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: what are you going to install? |
| 07:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | date, obviously |
| 07:24.14 | peb_ | good morning folks! |
| 07:25.09 | johnx | it does seem to insist on minutes |
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| 07:25.46 | kerio | timeless_mbp: my script so far starts with apt-get install easy-debian |
| 07:26.04 | johnx | actually, timeless_mbp, there's a pretty simple way to do it, having date do most of the conversion work |
| 07:26.06 | johnx | I think ... |
| 07:26.23 | timeless_mbp | johnx: what worries me is that i can't see any safe way to undo drift |
| 07:26.57 | timeless_mbp | it really needs to let me say "set clock back -Xdays" |
| 07:27.13 | johnx | it will |
| 07:27.23 | timeless_mbp | it's ok for me to do "set clock back -X<y*minutesperday>minutes" |
| 07:27.23 | johnx | well, the little function I'm writing will |
| 07:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | johnx: not with messybox date, it's braindead |
| 07:28.15 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, well, you have to do the conversion, then set the time, I mean, yeah, maybe we'll be off by a couple seconds |
| 07:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | undo drift? o.O |
| 07:28.27 | johnx | nah, not that |
| 07:28.45 | johnx | just make a date wrapper that understands setting the clock back by n time-units |
| 07:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | dudes!! |
| 07:28.55 | johnx | but yeah, who cares about the drift :P |
| 07:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | date -s whatever; do whatever; hwclock --hctosys |
| 07:29.32 | johnx | that sounds good too |
| 07:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | where you all found those mushrooms? :-P |
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| 07:31.15 | jvesiluoma | hmmh, I think I'll change my web interface thingie from php to cgi or something |
| 07:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date |
| 07:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:31:21 GMT-1 |
| 07:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date -d "-5 days" |
| 07:31.52 | DocScrutinizer | Sa., 6. Nov. 2010 08:31:35 GMT-1 |
| 07:32.13 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install core-utils-gnu |
| 07:33.09 | DocScrutinizer | s/-d/-s/ ; for really setting the time |
| 07:33.40 | timeless_mbp | oh |
| 07:33.44 | timeless_mbp | we do have /sbin/hwclock |
| 07:34.07 | timeless_mbp | warning: also busybox |
| 07:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | *shrug* yep, that's not like diablo |
| 07:34.24 | timeless_mbp | it was missing? |
| 07:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | afaik yes |
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| 07:38.33 | mece | are there instructions in the wiki on flashing kernel only? |
| 07:38.37 | mece | with flasher |
| 07:39.00 | johnx | mece, flasher --help will tell you |
| 07:39.09 | johnx | it's -k for kernel only |
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| 07:39.54 | mece | johnx, well it was not for me |
| 07:40.07 | mece | http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=15471&stc=1&d=1289459626 |
| 07:40.15 | mece | sighs |
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| 07:40.47 | mece | the "noob friendly" tutorial for dual booting meego at work |
| 07:41.07 | johnx | tell them to google: maemo flasher kernel only |
| 07:41.24 | johnx | first link is to the maemo wiki with the proper instructions |
| 07:41.34 | johnx | ah, well, kinda |
| 07:41.53 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 07:42.06 | timeless_mbp | i know i've created a 0 length symlink on bsd before |
| 07:42.08 | timeless_mbp | can't remember how |
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| 07:45.24 | timeless_mbp | ah /tmp's file system doesn't support it! |
| 07:46.22 | mece | johnx, gave him this http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo+flash+kernel+only&l=1 |
| 07:46.25 | mece | :D |
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| 07:46.33 | timeless_mbp | mece++ |
| 07:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: (offset. drift?): |
| 07:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` + 1 day" |
| 07:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1 |
| 07:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:46:07 GMT-1 |
| 07:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | grr |
| 07:47.57 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-1 day' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 1 day" |
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| 07:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | btw i found a bug in date, by using an offset of 5 days instead 1 day. Seems DST switch confuses hell out of date's calculations |
| 07:49.43 | DocScrutinizer | or dunno what |
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| 07:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d '-2 days' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:%S'` + 2 days" |
| 07:50.47 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:50:20 GMT-1 |
| 07:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | Mi., 10. Nov. 2010 07:50:20 GMT-1 |
| 07:51.00 | kerio | wat |
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| 07:54.57 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# date; date -d "`date -d 'now -2 hours' +'%Y-%m-%d %H:%M:'` +2 hours" |
| 07:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 08:53:42 GMT-1 |
| 07:55.00 | DocScrutinizer | Do., 11. Nov. 2010 06:53:42 GMT-1 |
| 07:55.06 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 07:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | friggin mushrooms |
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| 07:58.14 | knightstalker | Hello,I had question if h-e-n (Usb host mode enabler) does all the work(kernel install,l2p thingy and..)? |
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| 08:06.19 | phellarv | 1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)? |
| 08:09.27 | madduck | after the recent upgrade of Maemo on the N900, must I use a different repository for extras? |
| 08:09.31 | madduck | lost his vpn client |
| 08:09.42 | DocScrutinizer | knightstalker: yes |
| 08:09.45 | knightstalker | madduck,no |
| 08:09.53 | knightstalker | I haven't changed my repositories |
| 08:09.54 | madduck | knightstalker: fremantle-1.3? |
| 08:09.58 | knightstalker | Doc,Wow,That would be great |
| 08:10.01 | knightstalker | yeah PR1.3 |
| 08:10.17 | knightstalker | Doc,so now I just need female to female thingy? |
| 08:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 08:10.20 | infobot | rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 |
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| 08:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | knightstalker: that adapter and a bit of fun with experimenting |
| 08:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | knightstalker: nothing in maemo is prepared to do hostmode |
| 08:11.30 | knightstalker | lol,k, |
| 08:11.40 | knightstalker | I was just excited for experimenting too :P |
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| 08:11.53 | madduck | i used to have a vpn client that integrated with the system menu (tap on the clock) and worked quite nicely, but it seems to be gone :( |
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| 08:12.53 | knightstalker | madduck,hmm,after upgrading as I remember,you needed to install anything again |
| 08:13.04 | madduck | right, but i can't even find it in APT |
| 08:13.58 | knightstalker | ahh,There are no debs around either? |
| 08:14.01 | knightstalker | *.deb I mean |
| 08:14.07 | madduck | i forgot what the software was called. :( |
| 08:14.13 | timeless_mbp | vpnc ? |
| 08:14.16 | madduck | ah vpnc-gui |
| 08:14.23 | madduck | and "restore applications" lists it |
| 08:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | knightstalker: I suggest you wait 12..48h, Mohammad (where's he gone??) is about to prepare a new pkg based on better power-kernel |
| 08:14.39 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: fwiw th package "currency converter" is a total fail after the update too. I've tried removing and re-installing it |
| 08:15.01 | madduck | but they cannot be installed. missing dependencies (something python2.5) |
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| 08:19.01 | knightstalker | madduck,hmm,python2.5 is installed here |
| 08:19.56 | knightstalker | Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)? |
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| 08:23.05 | knightstalker | sorry if the question was nubbish :p |
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| 08:26.14 | timeless_mbp | johnx: so...date? |
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| 08:28.21 | johnx | timeless_mbp, nah. I'm married |
| 08:28.31 | timeless_mbp | you're fruity |
| 08:28.47 | johnx | heh |
| 08:29.00 | madduck | my problem seems related to qt4 |
| 08:29.09 | madduck | python2.5-qt4-common is uninstallable |
| 08:29.15 | johnx | timeless_mbp, so, why are you so worried about a second or two of drift? |
| 08:29.26 | phellarv | 1 question - Is there a app which can log all connects to the internet? (Which app that tried, and when)? |
| 08:29.30 | madduck | and for the PyQT 4 Full install, libqt4-test is also missing |
| 08:29.35 | timeless_mbp | it's kinda rude to break someone's clock |
| 08:29.42 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, i can live w/ 50s drift |
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| 08:29.56 | johnx | why would it be that much? |
| 08:29.56 | madduck | hm, the description says PR1.2 |
| 08:29.59 | madduck | that might be the problem |
| 08:30.16 | timeless_mbp | phellarv: you can try listening to dbus to see if conic is chatty |
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| 08:31.48 | andax | phellarv: possibly nmap? |
| 08:32.29 | timeless_mbp | andax: not technically |
| 08:32.37 | timeless_mbp | if process-1 asks for a network and process-2 uses it |
| 08:32.45 | timeless_mbp | you'll blame 2 which is wrong |
| 08:33.43 | timeless_mbp | phellarv: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Maemo_Connectivity#Requesting_for_Connection |
| 08:33.49 | timeless_mbp | is probably the documentation |
| 08:34.14 | timeless_mbp | but basically, run dbus-monitor and see if browser is chatty on dbus when you ask it to load a page w/o a network |
| 08:34.23 | knightstalker | Doc,And eh,Cant I use N900's original Usb adapter?(something like connecting its big part to the usb)? |
| 08:34.23 | timeless_mbp | if it is, then you can listen for dbus |
| 08:34.37 | knightstalker | eh,That question was about Usb host mode |
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| 08:36.23 | knightstalker | ah,and my last question will be if h-e-n supports Cd writers |
| 08:37.28 | RST38h | EHLO, punks |
| 08:37.54 | madduck | can anyone even install vpnc-gui or vpnc? |
| 08:38.02 | madduck | with new maemo? |
| 08:39.15 | johnx | RST38h, 250-johnx |
| 08:39.32 | RST38h | johnx: evening! |
| 08:39.55 | johnx | RST38h, usually I only answer if the second argument is an FQDN |
| 08:40.02 | RST38h | johnx: Do you by any chance know what nitroid kernel patches are and if they are safe to have permanently in the kernel? |
| 08:40.15 | RST38h | johnx: Ok, consider yourself hacked. |
| 08:40.16 | knightstalker | madduck,Installation done,its now processing triggers for catorise |
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| 08:40.39 | timeless_mbp | madduck: dunno about instal |
| 08:40.42 | johnx | RST38h, I have about this much interest in android *holds fingers really close together* |
| 08:40.42 | timeless_mbp | but i'm using it |
| 08:40.47 | johnx | so no idea about nitdroid |
| 08:40.53 | knightstalker | timeless,lol |
| 08:40.53 | timeless_mbp | and iirc i got an update for it |
| 08:41.00 | timeless_mbp | knightstalker: so... |
| 08:41.03 | timeless_mbp | there's a different |
| 08:41.04 | knightstalker | Mine installed too :p |
| 08:41.10 | timeless_mbp | s/different/difference/ |
| 08:41.11 | RST38h | johnx: not exactly an android fan either, but Mohammad is including a kernel into his community SSU |
| 08:41.26 | timeless_mbp | if you install foo and then OTA from pr1.2 to pr1.3 |
| 08:41.27 | RST38h | johnx: And I have been wondering if android stuff is kosher to have there by default |
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| 08:41.42 | timeless_mbp | it's possible that you might not be able to install foo on 1.3 even though you installed it on 1.2 and updated to 1.3 |
| 08:41.44 | mece | omg wtf don't I know this?? Wwhen doing at echo "do something" >> myscript.sh how do I get a new line? |
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| 08:42.01 | johnx | I heard it was pretty invasive, but it might not have any actual effect in day-to-day use |
| 08:42.06 | timeless_mbp | mece: echo >> myscript.sh |
| 08:42.13 | RST38h | mece: Use printf? (yes, there is printf in shell) |
| 08:42.28 | phellarv | timeless_mbp: I think I have a rogue prcess somewhere - My N900 is connecting to the net alot lately. |
| 08:42.29 | mece | timeless_mbp: that gives a new empty line? |
| 08:42.37 | phellarv | timeless_mbp: So thanks for the pointers |
| 08:42.40 | timeless_mbp | mece: try it? |
| 08:42.50 | mece | timeless_mbp, I shall. |
| 08:42.57 | timeless_mbp | phellarv: it's actually a useful app |
| 08:43.05 | timeless_mbp | lemme know if you write it, i'll toss you some CUR via paypal |
| 08:43.14 | madduck | knightstalker: I don't even see it in APT; which catalogs do you have? |
| 08:43.25 | johnx | mece, echo -e '\n' |
| 08:43.43 | mece | the -e means it understands \n? |
| 08:44.03 | johnx | the -e means interpret escape sequences or something |
| 08:45.01 | RST38h | johnx: Looking at FreeBSD tcsh echo, it only has -n |
| 08:45.12 | RST38h | johnx: Which is "do not print EOLN character" |
| 08:45.25 | knightstalker | medduck,hmm,have you tried to sudo apt-get install vpnc-gui in the terminal? |
| 08:45.29 | johnx | RST38h, interesting. even busybox echo has -e |
| 08:45.34 | madduck | http://slexy.org/raw/s2yEdz5LXU seems a bit outdated, e.g. the ovi list doesn't even exist on their web server anymore |
| 08:45.36 | knightstalker | first do apt-get update btw |
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| 08:45.46 | johnx | RST38h, what about /bin/echo? |
| 08:45.46 | RST38h | echo: shell built-in command. |
| 08:45.57 | madduck | knightstalker: yes, vpnc-gui does not exist as apackage in APT |
| 08:46.32 | X-Fade | achipa: ping? |
| 08:46.33 | RST38h | johnx: it prints "-e" :) |
| 08:46.36 | madduck | i am still running freemantle, not gregale, right? |
| 08:46.40 | mece | oh well.. timeless_mbp's method worked fine |
| 08:46.48 | RST38h | johnx: There is a semi-proper printf though, right in the shell |
| 08:46.48 | mece | thanks |
| 08:47.00 | achipa | X-Fade: pomg |
| 08:47.07 | timeless_mbp | madduck: gregale is a few years old... |
| 08:47.12 | timeless_mbp | and requires different hardware |
| 08:47.17 | madduck | ok |
| 08:47.27 | knightstalker | madduck,I have Nokia Applications,Nokia system software update,Ovi,Maemo.org(extras-extras-devel,extras-testing) |
| 08:47.31 | X-Fade | achipa: I wiped the 4.7.5 versions, will you upload new ones soon? |
| 08:47.55 | achipa | X-Fade: wanted to yesterday, but something came up, so prolly today |
| 08:47.58 | madduck | knightstalker: can you show me your /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list pklease? |
| 08:48.10 | X-Fade | achipa: Ok. |
| 08:48.12 | achipa | X-Fade: did you get rid of the libmeegotouch stuff in free too ? |
| 08:48.22 | knightstalker | madduck,a sec |
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| 08:48.34 | X-Fade | achipa: No, but I will do that now. |
| 08:48.52 | achipa | X-Fade: in fact, could you talk to the guy directly so we don't play ... what's the name of that game in english... mute-phones ? |
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| 08:50.16 | X-Fade | achipa: It is only meegotouchtheme, right? |
| 08:50.25 | knightstalker | madduck,http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv |
| 08:50.27 | knightstalker | There you go |
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| 08:51.37 | madduck | hm, i am missing the last one |
| 08:51.38 | andax | mece: echo "" && echo "2nd line" |
| 08:51.38 | achipa | errr... libmeegotouch* |
| 08:51.39 | madduck | i wonder why |
| 08:51.44 | achipa | no, wait |
| 08:51.53 | madduck | andax: you don't need "" there, that's DOS |
| 08:52.00 | X-Fade | achipa: there is no libmeegotouch in free. |
| 08:52.04 | timeless_mbp | ooh, there's an update for tweakr |
| 08:52.09 | madduck | and you could just use print or printf |
| 08:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | knightstalker: please read the thread, from post #1 to very end. h-e-n supports all rsp nothing. CD-writers are 'supported' by programs like mkisofs, k3b, whatnot. h-e-n is just about USB. If it's USB then h-e-n supports it, basically |
| 08:52.37 | andax | madduck, uhm, right :) |
| 08:52.59 | knightstalker | Doc,and you didn't answer my first question :P,About if I can use my own n900 adapter,using its female part to connect it to the usb |
| 08:53.23 | DocScrutinizer | where T F is a female part there? |
| 08:53.35 | knightstalker | Hmm,dunno :P |
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| 08:54.03 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, you seem to make no sense to me |
| 08:54.06 | knightstalker | isn't the big part of it called female :o |
| 08:54.19 | johnx | knightstalker, you're do for a talk about the birds and the bees ... |
| 08:54.24 | madduck | uh, https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle* seems to no longer exist |
| 08:54.45 | tugrik | knightstalker: the pointy bits are male, the holes are female - which is applicable to most contexts |
| 08:55.06 | knightstalker | tugrik,ah thanks |
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| 08:59.15 | chibi-taiga | no reply still |
| 08:59.23 | chibi-taiga | to fix radio |
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| 09:00.23 | madduck | aah, it needs httpS:// |
| 09:00.37 | madduck | i really wonder why i need to configure this manually and the upgrade didn't do it. |
| 09:00.59 | madduck | still no vpn app |
| 09:01.27 | madduck | knightstalker: could you run 'apt-get -d install vpnc-gui' and show me the output? |
| 09:01.45 | TermanaDesire | chibi-taiga: I swear to God if you haven't read/tried what was said to you about your issue I will kick your head off |
| 09:02.09 | knightstalker | madduck,k,I'll need to remove vpnc-gui first though |
| 09:02.12 | knightstalker | give me a sec |
| 09:02.21 | madduck | knightstalker: or just apt-cache policy vpnc-gui |
| 09:02.58 | chibi-taiga | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867416#post867416 |
| 09:03.00 | knightstalker | worked |
| 09:03.01 | knightstalker | a sec |
| 09:03.10 | chibi-taiga | i readed this but it tdidnt work |
| 09:03.26 | knightstalker | http://pastebin.com/bvSpJ0Ra |
| 09:03.30 | knightstalker | there you go madduck |
| 09:04.33 | madduck | knightstalker: you must have other files in /etc/apt/sources.list.d, do you? |
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| 09:05.04 | knightstalker | no |
| 09:05.12 | madduck | and /etc/apt/sources.list? |
| 09:05.17 | Chibi-Taiga | so what can i do now? |
| 09:05.37 | madduck | knightstalker: in http://pastebin.com/hEHSZCQv, there is no "http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free" repository |
| 09:05.46 | knightstalker | still no |
| 09:06.03 | knightstalker | madduck,I am willing to give you SSH con though :P |
| 09:06.08 | knightstalker | despite its risk XD |
| 09:06.26 | knightstalker | madduck,I just nano'ed and gave you the results |
| 09:06.26 | madduck | nah, i don't need it, but thanks |
| 09:06.45 | madduck | http://repository.maemo.org/dists/fremantle/free/binary-armel/Packages does not exist |
| 09:07.42 | X-Fade | madduck: moment, regenerating. |
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| 09:09.46 | X-Fade | madduck: hmm no, misread the url that is sdk. ;) |
| 09:10.39 | X-Fade | And that url can't exist. it is either sdk/ root tools/ |
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| 09:10.52 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 09:10.53 | X-Fade | s/root/or/ |
| 09:11.12 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: ? does extras-devel have fremantle1.3 v. fremantle v. fremantle1.2 ? |
| 09:11.27 | madduck | uh, is there a wiki page that lists the normal contents of this file? |
| 09:11.32 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: notice the /extras/ missing. |
| 09:11.40 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: unrelated question |
| 09:11.44 | madduck | apparently, after the flash, the repository list wasn't setup properly |
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| 09:12.00 | madduck | so now I need to regenerate it by hand because a lot of stuff isn't working anymore. |
| 09:12.30 | knightstalker | madduck,didn't you have any backups made? |
| 09:12.38 | madduck | yes, i did |
| 09:12.47 | knightstalker | eh,my backup restored everything |
| 09:12.51 | knightstalker | even the catalogs |
| 09:12.52 | madduck | and the backups are failing to restore because certain packages cannot be installed |
| 09:13.11 | knightstalker | omg -.- |
| 09:13.13 | madduck | i really wonder where you are getting vpnc-gui from |
| 09:13.25 | timeless_mbp | http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/11/11/AR2010111100896.html |
| 09:13.42 | timeless_mbp | madduck: it might be vpngui |
| 09:13.51 | madduck | knightstalker: could you remove it, run apt-get clean and then apt-get -d --print-uris install vpnc-gui to get the full URL |
| 09:14.01 | knightstalker | madduck sure |
| 09:14.01 | madduck | timeless_mbp: # dpkg -l vpn\* |
| 09:14.02 | madduck | No packages found matching vpn*. |
| 09:14.04 | knightstalker | a sec again |
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| 09:16.33 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 09:16.46 | knightstalker | done,paste binning |
| 09:17.02 | knightstalker | http://pastebin.com/eN2Yyg70 |
| 09:17.03 | madduck | might be extras-testing |
| 09:17.03 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: why does ham want me to upgrade ~9 packages from v X to v X when i switch from testing to devel? |
| 09:17.22 | timeless_mbp | vpngui is definitely in devel |
| 09:17.22 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Because devel has newer versions? |
| 09:17.34 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: "newer" versions w/ the same version number? |
| 09:17.37 | knightstalker | madduck,as I see it says extras-devel in the link |
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| 09:18.06 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Not possible. |
| 09:18.21 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: how do i prove this short of taking a bunch of screen captures? |
| 09:18.45 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: what does apt-get say? |
| 09:18.57 | timeless_mbp | probably "someone else is holding the apt lock" :) |
| 09:19.12 | X-Fade | Hehe, yeah close ham :) |
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| 09:26.43 | madduck | knightstalker: thanks, that was it |
| 09:26.53 | madduck | i didn't know i had those extras-* repos in my previous install |
| 09:27.15 | knightstalker | madduck,Welcome! |
| 09:27.47 | timeless_mbp | madduck: so, um |
| 09:28.00 | Chibi-Taiga | anyways no one can help me fix radio? |
| 09:28.01 | timeless_mbp | if you use backup, it should store your repo list and your package list |
| 09:28.06 | timeless_mbp | so restore should just work |
| 09:28.21 | timeless_mbp | chibi-taiga: don't install third party kernels if you want things to work |
| 09:28.26 | madduck | timeless_mbp: it did not in this case. :( |
| 09:29.58 | Chibi-Taiga | well i didnt had any problems befor i updated |
| 09:30.11 | Chibi-Taiga | and i use same apps/kernels |
| 09:30.24 | villev | someone with ssh session open to the device w/ pr1.3 - could you kindly execute this: |
| 09:30.37 | villev | md5sum /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 |
| 09:30.53 | villev | and say whether you get 5b2368e9a64..... |
| 09:31.04 | villev | or ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d |
| 09:31.13 | villev | it seems there are 2 kinds of pr1.3 going around |
| 09:31.28 | madduck | ab7bb3d39dfeb47360d2cc5674ebfd6a |
| 09:31.34 | Chibi-Taiga | i updated mines trough nsu3 |
| 09:31.40 | villev | anyony got 5b23...? |
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| 09:35.27 | timeless_mbp | villev: i got something else |
| 09:35.35 | timeless_mbp | prelink? |
| 09:36.17 | timeless_mbp | didn't use ssh, just x terminal |
| 09:36.27 | villev | timeless_mbp: so you have hacked something on your device? |
| 09:36.33 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 09:36.34 | villev | or do you have an internal nokia image? |
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| 09:36.51 | timeless_mbp | are you sure this isn't just prelink giving random hashes? |
| 09:37.11 | villev | no, I'm not. please elaborate :) |
| 09:37.57 | timeless_mbp | hrm, maybe we stopped doing it |
| 09:37.59 | timeless_mbp | shrugs |
| 09:38.27 | timeless_mbp | i'm using pr1.3 but yeah, i got it a bit early |
| 09:38.31 | timeless_mbp | (like a month?) |
| 09:40.40 | Chibi-Taiga | ohwell thx for the support |
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| 09:52.15 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/847464 |
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| 09:53.50 | chem|st | villev: there are 3 different versions but I do not understand why the standard c++ lib should be different?! |
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| 09:54.53 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: No idea, those packages are the same. |
| 09:55.00 | chem|st | villev: which version is the ab7.. sum from? got the 5b23... from PR1.2 OTA updated to PR1.3 |
| 09:55.05 | timeless_mbp | X-Fade: i have a bunch of others :( |
| 09:55.49 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Maybe mvo knows. |
| 09:56.26 | timeless_mbp | !summon mvo |
| 09:56.27 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 09:56.35 | timeless_mbp | no workee |
| 09:56.48 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Well it is easier for you to visit him than for me. |
| 09:56.58 | timeless_mbp | oh sure, make me get out of bed |
| 09:57.00 | timeless_mbp | before noon! |
| 09:57.27 | X-Fade | timeless_mbp: Only just. :) |
| 09:57.33 | timeless_mbp | 3 whole minutes! |
| 09:57.42 | timeless_mbp | it's an outrage! |
| 10:00.04 | chem|st | madduck: how did you get pr1.3 and is it a country version? |
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| 10:06.27 | smooph1 | hey guys ... i have a bit of a problem ... the phone app is too slow |
| 10:06.39 | timeless_mbp | interesting problem |
| 10:06.44 | timeless_mbp | how is this harming you? |
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| 10:07.01 | smooph1 | it harms me in the way that i cannot answer a call |
| 10:07.23 | X-Fade | smooph1: That means it is time to reboot your phone. |
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| 10:07.40 | X-Fade | smooph1: Yes, not good. But that will help. |
| 10:07.49 | timeless_mbp | smooph: how many third party apps are you running/have you installed/do you have on your desktop/do you have in your system notification area |
| 10:07.58 | smooph1 | when getting a call a couple of seconds pass till i can get the phone out and another couple of seconds till the screen shows the call than another couple of seconds till its in horizontal and then the call is gone |
| 10:08.18 | timeless_mbp | horizontal? |
| 10:08.28 | smooph1 | sory vertical |
| 10:08.38 | timeless_mbp | is that a software or hardware detail? |
| 10:08.53 | smooph1 | screen rotation ? |
| 10:08.53 | timeless_mbp | maybe you need a bluetooth headset so you can answer w/o fishing for your phone |
| 10:09.03 | timeless_mbp | ok 'portrait' |
| 10:09.18 | smooph1 | ok yes portrait |
| 10:09.26 | timeless_mbp | so, the phone doesn't need to use portrait mode |
| 10:09.37 | X-Fade | The problem is that your phone is swapping like mad a that point. |
| 10:09.40 | timeless_mbp | although if you're pulling it out of your pocket, you'll probably bring it into portrait mode |
| 10:09.43 | lcuk | smooph1, check the turning control in the preferences, try the other options |
| 10:09.44 | smooph1 | no desktop widget other than calendar home widget and conversation |
| 10:09.55 | timeless_mbp | conversations? |
| 10:10.18 | smooph1 | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 10:10.30 | timeless_mbp | is that a widget or a shortcut? |
| 10:10.34 | timeless_mbp | if it's a widget, i don't know it |
| 10:10.36 | smooph1 | widget |
| 10:10.45 | timeless_mbp | i'd kill that first |
| 10:10.47 | timeless_mbp | and calendar second |
| 10:11.04 | timeless_mbp | also, how many presence services are you using? |
| 10:11.12 | chem|st | smooph1: and restart hildon-home or the changes have no effekt |
| 10:11.17 | nidO | also, maybe have a timeout of longer than 6 seconds before having calls go to voicemail |
| 10:11.27 | chem|st | smooph1: dont kill it, use proper dsme commands |
| 10:11.46 | lcuk | hm |
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| 10:12.29 | chem|st | smooph1: have a look what is hogging your cpu when you just slide open the keyboard from standby |
| 10:12.42 | smooph1 | is there a way to speed up the change between landscape and portrait |
| 10:13.01 | smooph1 | because i think this is more the problem than some widget |
| 10:13.12 | nidO | yes, transitions.ini - there're many tutorials on tmo detailing how to change the transitions and suggestions on optimum settings |
| 10:13.54 | nidO | altering the rotation angle, speeding up the rotate, and reducing the blankout can make a difference with call rotations |
| 10:14.27 | nidO | but really, if the time for the transition effect to happen is causing you to miss your calls, your best solution's really gonna be not having them go to voicemail so fast.. |
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| 10:14.59 | chem|st | nidO: isn't the call rotate and answer delayed by purpose? afair that is a "feature" of pr1.3 to prevent something |
| 10:15.27 | smooph1 | nidO: sounds good .... thanks to the other tips too but I honestly don't want to disable the widgets |
| 10:15.43 | nidO | chem|st: the actual effect of the rotation itself when it happens is handled by transitions.ini though, and it can be sped up and made smoother |
| 10:16.34 | chem|st | nidO: yeah I know but I remember reading about a delay on purpose in pr1.3 |
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| 10:16.47 | RobbieThe1st | Hi, all |
| 10:17.23 | timeless_mbp | chem|st: interesting.. |
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| 10:17.53 | chem|st | smooph1: I had a widget hogging my cpu after about 8h of use anytime I return from standby, on screen or not, 100s of gettimeofday commands were send |
| 10:18.47 | smooph1 | chem|st: so what should I do ? |
| 10:18.48 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: something about a wait for systems to be ready |
| 10:18.52 | smooph1 | where do i look? |
| 10:19.12 | nidO | sigh, this has been bugging me for ages - if two contacts have the same phone number, is there any way to get the device to actually show one of those contacts when the phone rings from them, rather than just the number itself? |
| 10:19.26 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 10:19.31 | chem|st | smooph1: there is something hogging your device whe you return from standby? |
| 10:19.32 | timeless_mbp | sorry :( |
| 10:19.37 | nidO | lame. |
| 10:19.45 | timeless_mbp | nidO: make 3 contacts |
| 10:19.48 | timeless_mbp | person1 |
| 10:19.49 | timeless_mbp | person2 |
| 10:19.52 | timeless_mbp | sharedPeople |
| 10:19.57 | timeless_mbp | give the number to sharedPeople |
| 10:20.05 | timeless_mbp | e.g. mom, dad, mod+dad |
| 10:20.11 | nidO | doesnt work though, the only reason the number is in 2 contacts is because its in the skype profile for one of them |
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| 10:20.24 | timeless_mbp | same person? |
| 10:20.26 | timeless_mbp | merge contacts |
| 10:20.34 | nidO | situation is |
| 10:20.40 | nidO | I have a contact for my own home number |
| 10:20.54 | nidO | I also have a contact for my girlfriend, including her skype account |
| 10:20.59 | chem|st | timeless_mbp: skype profile of one person has the number from by hand in another contact |
| 10:21.06 | nidO | her skype profile has all of her numbers, including our home number |
| 10:21.19 | nidO | so by extension, her contact also has our home number |
| 10:21.30 | nidO | which I cant remove without removing her skype info entirely |
| 10:21.36 | timeless_mbp | cute |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | so |
| 10:21.46 | timeless_mbp | please file a bug |
| 10:22.01 | timeless_mbp | explain that you want to be able to mark a certain contact's instance of a certain number as 'preferred' |
| 10:22.02 | chem|st | nidO: do you call yourself? or is it the "your info" thing? |
| 10:22.05 | timeless_mbp | do explain the usecase |
| 10:22.15 | smooph1 | chem|st: sorry i don't understand what you are saying ... what should I do ? I don't know what hogging is and how I should find out? |
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| 10:22.57 | chem|st | smooph1: look what is occupying your CPU at time of unlock |
| 10:23.03 | Robot101 | DocScrutinizer: MWI - message waiting indicator? on sip I guess? or gsm? isn't supported afaik, but we have a spec for it and an implementation in tp-ring now I think. |
| 10:23.16 | smooph1 | how? |
| 10:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | SIP |
| 10:23.56 | chem|st | smooph1: htop top or something equivalent |
| 10:24.29 | chem|st | smooph1: top is pre installed, open up a terminal and enter "top" |
| 10:24.50 | smooph1 | with unlock u mean slide open the keyboard right ? |
| 10:25.04 | smooph1 | ... than the top one is htop |
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| 10:25.13 | chem|st | smooph1: now close keyboard use the lock switcch or anything to lock screen and keyboard (standby) |
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| 10:25.26 | chem|st | smooph1: and yes, then slide open the keyboard |
| 10:25.26 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 10:25.31 | Venemo | ~seen Khertan |
| 10:25.39 | infobot | khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-95-72.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 2h 12m 50s ago, saying: 'oups wrong windows'. |
| 10:25.39 | nidO | chem|st: I both call and receive calls from home occasionally yeah. timeless_mbp: the usecase is just preference on where I want contact info to display - it would clearly seem to be a bug though, because it's only on an incoming call and while the call's in progress that it shows the number instead of contact info |
| 10:25.44 | chem|st | smooph1: top and htop are two different programs |
| 10:26.04 | timeless_mbp | nidO: the UI team picked the behavior |
| 10:26.05 | nidO | after the call's taken place, the call log shows the call as having come from the contact who's first in the list alphabetically with that number |
| 10:26.12 | chem|st | nidO: that is since 1.0!? |
| 10:26.13 | timeless_mbp | note that there are some other lame cases |
| 10:26.27 | smooph1 | ok i used htop ... when opening the keyboard the 1st is htop 2nd is Xorg |
| 10:26.28 | chem|st | nidO: and I remember a bug about that since ever |
| 10:26.40 | chem|st | and the third? |
| 10:26.41 | timeless_mbp | +18005551212 +4478905551212 |
| 10:26.56 | smooph1 | osso-xterm |
| 10:26.59 | timeless_mbp | in a case like that, it's possible that your phone won't actually be told the full phone number |
| 10:27.02 | smooph1 | sometimes hildon |
| 10:27.10 | chem|st | smooph1: is something else kicking in from time to time in the first 10 seconds |
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| 10:27.27 | chem|st | smooph1: with 60%+cpu usage |
| 10:27.47 | smooph1 | dbus-daemon ... nothing big |
| 10:28.42 | smooph1 | let me try making a call ... maybe it has something to do with that .. |
| 10:29.18 | chem|st | smooph1: thats jsut fine, if you get a call and it takes you longer than 4 seconds to pickup there is something wrong (if rotation is turned off) |
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| 10:33.27 | smooph1 | chem|st: Ok there is definitly enough time to answer the phone ... if somebody lets it ring till its disconnected by the "the person you are calling is temporarly unavailable" speech |
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| 10:33.57 | chem|st | smooph1: there is no spoon... |
| 10:34.24 | smooph1 | but still the rotation takes too long for my tast ... turning the phone from landscape to portrait there is a big delay before it rotates |
| 10:34.39 | smooph1 | there is no spoon ? |
| 10:34.47 | smooph1 | what does that mean? |
| 10:35.27 | chem|st | smooph1: that's a movies's quote from matrix |
| 10:35.54 | chem|st | smooph1: if you got enough time from ring to disconnect I don't know where the actual problem is |
| 10:37.02 | RobbieThe1st | The first matrix movie was awesome, BTW. Phone wise - That's odd, when my n900 gets called, the phone app opens up in portrait mode no matter what, no "rotation" animation or anything |
| 10:37.14 | smooph1 | maybe ... it's just the missed calls that made me aware of how I don't like the rotation delay ... can you point me to a how to change that? |
| 10:38.12 | nidO | RobbieThe1st: have you got the display orientation fixed to portrair rather than automatic? |
| 10:38.25 | Venemo | RobbieThe1st: perhaps you set it to portrait mode in its settings |
| 10:38.29 | nidO | also, not sure if this was covered for smooph1, but why dont you just set orientation to portrait? |
| 10:38.36 | nidO | thatll stop any rotation animation |
| 10:39.03 | RobbieThe1st | Huh, no... I never messed with the settings at all, and typically use it in landscape mode. I tend to get quite upset when it goes portrait on me... |
| 10:39.07 | Venemo | smooph1: sorry, I'm late to the party, but what's your problem? |
| 10:40.03 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: "his phone is slow" :) |
| 10:40.04 | RobbieThe1st | Actually, wait... I guess there is a rotation animation, but it takes half a second or so for me, so I didn't notice it |
| 10:40.27 | chem|st | smooph1: http://tinyurl.com/2dyn3el |
| 10:40.38 | Venemo | timeless_mbp: oh, the usual |
| 10:40.44 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 10:40.44 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:40.46 | smooph1 | I don't like the delay when rotating the phone ... espacially with incoming calls so either set the phone app to portrait only or change the rotation setting so the delay is less |
| 10:40.53 | Venemo | smooph1: try that link |
| 10:41.00 | timeless_mbp | Venemo: bah |
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| 10:41.32 | chem|st | Venemo: O_o |
| 10:41.35 | Venemo | smooph1: if you prefer to, then set the phone app to portrait-only. it will be still landscape when the keyboard is open |
| 10:41.36 | smooph1 | updating the firmware ... are you ? |
| 10:41.52 | Venemo | smooph1: or if you want rotation, then you could edit your transitions.ini |
| 10:42.11 | Venemo | smooph1: but if the "slowness" is caused by the garabage you installed, reflashing is the best soluion |
| 10:42.26 | smooph1 | chem|st: very funny ... guess what I already did that |
| 10:42.44 | RobbieThe1st | I'm curious - Does anyone here know why people are complaining about it being slow? I mean, I just opened up three browser windows, fbreader and the media player, and then -while- it was all loading I started the phone app. It started instantly, and switched to portrait in half a second or so |
| 10:43.12 | X-Fade | RobbieThe1st: Do the same after your phone is running for 5 days. |
| 10:43.13 | timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: inbound calls |
| 10:43.25 | timeless_mbp | opening phone from the ui isn't interesting |
| 10:43.30 | chem|st | smooph1: the ini is in /usr/share/themes/<your theme> and copy the original one before you alter it |
| 10:43.35 | timeless_mbp | the inbound call ui is especaially painful |
| 10:43.39 | timeless_mbp | s/aia/ia/ |
| 10:43.39 | RobbieThe1st | Only on inbound? Hm... that'll be hard to test |
| 10:43.47 | timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: gimme your no |
| 10:44.12 | flux | I suppose inbound skype calls should be easier to test without owning two phones |
| 10:44.20 | RobbieThe1st | That's the problem - I ran out of active time. I've got to add time to my payg sim before I can do anything :\ |
| 10:44.30 | timeless_mbp | even receive calls? |
| 10:44.31 | timeless_mbp | bah |
| 10:44.34 | Venemo | well then, keep the phone app open, then it will launch more quickly on inbound calls |
| 10:44.40 | nidO | oh, you from one of those dumb countries that charges you to receive? :\ |
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| 10:45.01 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, as well as putting x-month limits on how long you have to use it |
| 10:45.10 | timeless_mbp | wow |
| 10:45.11 | timeless_mbp | nice |
| 10:45.18 | timeless_mbp | which reminds me |
| 10:45.25 | timeless_mbp | has a sim whose pin is unknown :( |
| 10:45.26 | RobbieThe1st | T-mobile's bad that way... But no worse than any of the -other- horrible companies here in the USA |
| 10:45.33 | chem|st | nidO: over here the sim will be deactivated after a while so you are forced to raise your account's balance |
| 10:45.34 | timeless_mbp | should try to figure out how to recover it |
| 10:45.48 | nidO | timeless_mbp: is it yours? |
| 10:46.01 | timeless_mbp | well, i have some of both actually :) |
| 10:46.06 | timeless_mbp | but i only care about the mine case :) |
| 10:46.14 | nidO | does the network? |
| 10:46.22 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 10:46.43 | nidO | theyll give you the sim's puk if it's yours.. |
| 10:46.44 | timeless_mbp | it's tied to me, so yeah i can do something |
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| 10:47.46 | realitygaps | hey guys, set up a 3g connection using fapn for ben.nl, but all i get is 'Internet Connection Failed, Try Again?'.. PR 1.3, any ideas? |
| 10:48.53 | chem|st | realitygaps: what do you mean by setup? your provider connections are preset normaly |
| 10:49.43 | chem|st | realitygaps: does gprs/edge work? |
| 10:50.04 | realitygaps | chem|st: they werent preset, but they have the connection details on their website, only thing needed is the access point name - which i set to internet.ben |
| 10:50.17 | realitygaps | chem|st: how can i check if gprs/edge is working? |
| 10:50.54 | nidO | try connecting to the ap but on 2g not 3g |
| 10:51.03 | chem|st | redeeman: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress |
| 10:51.35 | chem|st | normaly you need to set a serveraddress |
| 10:51.42 | chem|st | redeeman: sry |
| 10:51.51 | chem|st | realitygaps: internet.ben is not a valid serveraddress |
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| 10:52.16 | smooph1 | I think I found my solution for now ... setting the phone app to portrait only ... we'll see if that helps me |
| 10:52.26 | smooph1 | thanks for the help |
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| 10:52.33 | chem|st | smooph1: yw |
| 10:52.47 | realitygaps | chem|st: it said just to set up the APN as internet.ben .... |
| 10:53.08 | realitygaps | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:53.27 | chem|st | realitygaps: settings->phone->network mode |
| 10:54.17 | Venemo | smooph1: you're welcome |
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| 10:57.32 | realitygaps | chem|st: The connection details are here: http://www.ben.nl/vragen/diensten/Internet/vraag-21/Wat+zijn+de+instellingen+voor+mijn+mobiel+voor+internet+met+mijn+sim+only+abonnement%3F.html |
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| 10:59.28 | khertan_ | Morning all ! |
| 11:00.19 | realitygaps | doesnt seem to do anything on 2G either :( |
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| 11:01.51 | nidO | obvious question, but are you actually on their network atm, or roaming? |
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| 11:02.39 | realitygaps | nid0: on their network, got a new sim a few days ago from them |
| 11:03.15 | realitygaps | but all it says is to put internet.ben as the access point name and everything else blank/defaults |
| 11:04.18 | timeless_mbp | dpkg-deb: building package `foo' in `..deb'. |
| 11:04.22 | timeless_mbp | puzzles |
| 11:04.46 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: it's selfsigned so i don't care anyways |
| 11:05.10 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: i care because it's yet another stupid thing to deal w/ while trying to make jabber happy |
| 11:05.15 | timeless_mbp | i'd actually rather you *not* fix it |
| 11:05.21 | timeless_mbp | not until i make my script handle it |
| 11:05.29 | timeless_mbp | :) |
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| 11:06.36 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to comment out lines in DEBIAN/control files |
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| 11:07.54 | _trine | can someone point me to titans the new power kernel or something similar for PR 1.3 ? |
| 11:07.56 | realitygaps | timeless_mbp: think its just a # |
| 11:08.15 | timeless_mbp | warning, `foo/DEBIAN/control' contains user-defined field `#Depends' |
| 11:09.03 | realitygaps | hmm, http://bugs.debian.org/cgi-bin/bugreport.cgi?bug=446712 says it should work |
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| 11:10.38 | lcuk | realitygaps, no, it says that they have been supported since dpkg v 1.10.11 on debian.. |
| 11:10.46 | Venemo | hey lcuk o/ :) |
| 11:10.49 | lcuk | what version is timeless using ? |
| 11:11.03 | timeless_mbp | Debian `dpkg' package management program version 1.14.29 (amd64). |
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| 11:12.18 | timeless_mbp | try it yourself? :) |
| 11:12.51 | lcuk | \o |
| 11:12.58 | timeless_mbp | can't remember how to use DEBIAN |
| 11:13.01 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, am on laptop only atm |
| 11:13.09 | timeless_mbp | it seems i don't have a working fakeroot |
| 11:13.16 | timeless_mbp | so i can't seem to make dpkg-buildpackage work |
| 11:13.30 | timeless_mbp | does DEBIAN require filename instead of PACKAGE.filename ? |
| 11:13.34 | timeless_mbp | (it probably does) |
| 11:14.24 | realitygaps | lcuk: true, just assumed it was new enough |
| 11:15.06 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, hm |
| 11:15.16 | lcuk | you just noted you are using the amd64 version of dpkg? |
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| 11:15.24 | lcuk | is that exposed in scratchbox? |
| 11:15.32 | lcuk | or are you just working on your normal host |
| 11:15.47 | timeless_mbp | i'm working on someone else's normal host |
| 11:16.25 | khertan_ | Someday, someone will say that i'm completely crazy to create my packaging tools :) |
| 11:16.40 | khertan_ | a new one ... this time base on python distutils |
| 11:16.41 | khertan_ | http://khertan.net/python_sdist_maemo |
| 11:17.44 | khertan_ | timeless, i ll say X-Depends |
| 11:17.58 | khertan_ | as X is for eXtra ... user define |
| 11:18.04 | Venemo | khertan_: hi |
| 11:18.11 | khertan_ | XS for include them in source |
| 11:18.14 | Venemo | khertan_: I just heard about your KhtEditor |
| 11:18.18 | khertan_ | XB for include them in binary |
| 11:18.32 | Venemo | khertan_: is it able to compile/run a C/C++ application? |
| 11:18.33 | khertan_ | XSBC ... i didn't remember c was :) |
| 11:18.56 | khertan_ | Venemo, as an editor ... it s not able to compile anythings |
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| 11:19.15 | Venemo | khertan_: so it is not an IDE, juse a text editor? |
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| 11:19.35 | madduck | chem|st: it is the global release and I flashed it |
| 11:19.45 | khertan_ | Venemo, it s more a powerfull text editor than an idea |
| 11:20.06 | khertan_ | Venemo, specially when most advanced feature are for python dev |
| 11:20.17 | khertan_ | Venemo, i never said it was an idea |
| 11:20.25 | khertan_ | and xterm is perfect to compile :) |
| 11:20.26 | Venemo | khertan_: I don't wanna be rude, but I don't really care about Python |
| 11:20.35 | Venemo | khertan_: hm |
| 11:20.53 | Venemo | khertan_: so you recommend using xterm to call gcc and stuff? |
| 11:21.01 | khertan_ | Venemo, don't wanna be rude but don't really care about c++ this is why there isn't any c compilation |
| 11:21.08 | khertan_ | Venemo, i ll say yes |
| 11:21.10 | Venemo | khertan_: :) |
| 11:21.46 | khertan_ | Venemo, but i can add configurable button for launching compilation by opening xterm and launching script if you need :) |
| 11:21.48 | SpeedEvil | I do wanna be rude, but am too tired to read backscroll. |
| 11:22.04 | Venemo | khertan_: that would be the best thing :) |
| 11:22.17 | Venemo | khertan_: however if it does highlight C++ code, then it is what I will be using anyway :) |
| 11:22.29 | lcuk | khertan_, huh? |
| 11:22.41 | lcuk | you dont care about c++ thats why theres no c compiling? |
| 11:22.54 | lcuk | arent they different languages and intents? |
| 11:22.56 | Venemo | lcuk, I think we get what he meant |
| 11:23.11 | lcuk | c compoilation is entirely feasible on devices |
| 11:23.17 | khertan_ | Venemo, it does, maybe not perfect ... as i didn't really use c++ hilighting there is maybe some glitches i ve just made quick test |
| 11:23.20 | lcuk | c++ well, it depends on the which libs |
| 11:23.38 | Venemo | lcuk, why would it depend on that? |
| 11:24.00 | khertan_ | lcuk, of course doable on device ! but just not integrated into KhtEditor because i didn't have need for it and noone Yet ask it :) |
| 11:24.10 | lcuk | Venemo, cos adding even simple things in c++ increases compilation time drastically |
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| 11:25.00 | Venemo | lcuk, good point |
| 11:26.16 | sivang | timeless_mbp: playing with .debs? |
| 11:26.29 | timeless_mbp | sivang: interesting demo of how totally messed up maemo is |
| 11:26.30 | sivang | timeless_mbp: how are your slides going? I still have to work on mine |
| 11:26.38 | timeless_mbp | this will go into a slide or 4 |
| 11:26.49 | timeless_mbp | basically we have a directory /etc/osso-af-init/ |
| 11:26.49 | sivang | timeless_mbp: heh, ok, in what way? |
| 11:27.02 | timeless_mbp | which is a jumble |
| 11:27.08 | sivang | timeless_mbp: ah, "not init scripts" dir |
| 11:27.14 | timeless_mbp | some of the files are meatnt to be sourced |
| 11:27.17 | timeless_mbp | s/tnt/nt/ |
| 11:27.21 | Venemo | anyway, how do I install gcc, g++, qmake, and make onto the N900? |
| 11:27.26 | timeless_mbp | and some are meant to be <dunno>d |
| 11:27.33 | timeless_mbp | but they aren't automatically sourced |
| 11:27.36 | sivang | timeless_mbp: interesting I did not see a mere thing about this in the compliance spec |
| 11:27.40 | timeless_mbp | if you want to be sourced, you have to hand edit a file |
| 11:27.50 | sivang | bah |
| 11:28.01 | timeless_mbp | that's part one of well.. |
| 11:28.05 | sivang | at least there's a spec, that's a start to have things compliant |
| 11:28.05 | timeless_mbp | it gets "better" |
| 11:28.11 | timeless_mbp | there's a spec? |
| 11:28.30 | sivang | timeless_mbp: yes, I did not bother looking at it until last night's TSG meeting |
| 11:28.43 | sivang | timeless_mbp: in which I was told that minor lessons were learned from Maemo in designing it |
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| 11:29.03 | timeless_mbp | hopefully that url is in your slides |
| 11:29.10 | timeless_mbp | hit me a prelim url (by email) |
| 11:29.16 | sivang | timeless_mbp: sure |
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| 11:33.36 | sivang | timeless_mbp: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-11-10-20.00.log.html , check time from 20:17:38. But actually it comes from LSB, so not there to address an issue per se. |
| 11:34.11 | sivang | timeless_mbp: "clean namespace" |
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| 11:35.05 | timeless_mbp | tl;wr |
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| 11:36.15 | sivang | timeless_mbp: same here, tl. |
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| 11:57.32 | yacc | Does the n900 have cron or something like that? |
| 11:58.00 | nidO | alarmd |
| 11:58.13 | alterego | alarmd |
| 11:58.21 | Necc | :D |
| 11:58.43 | Necc | alarmEd |
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| 12:02.07 | alterego | X-Fade:from where? :) |
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| 12:45.13 | achipa | X-Fade: yay |
| 12:47.15 | andax | yacc: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=12572 btw: update regarding our recent minimal theme discussion: http://my.opera.com/ändäx/albums/slideshow/?album=5225982# |
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| 12:48.35 | andax | ~ # dpkg -l | grep cron |
| 12:48.37 | andax | ~ # |
| 12:48.37 | infobot | somebody said # was pound, or hash, or sometimes the number sign. a tic-tac-toe board, or octothorpe |
| 12:48.52 | Venemo | Necc: are you the same Necc who is on the Hungarian nokiaprogramok.hu forum with the same name? |
| 12:49.18 | Necc | who wat where? |
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| 12:49.31 | FauxFaux | infobot, it could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! |
| 12:49.32 | infobot | So we want to be stupid, right, could also be a noughts-and-crosses board! ? Fine, pushups, right now. OK, side straddle hops, right now. OK, run in place, right now. I didn't say stop! |
| 12:49.42 | Venemo | Necc: nevermind then :) |
| 12:49.43 | Necc | Venemo: yes. |
| 12:49.47 | FauxFaux | Bah, you're not supposed to respond to non-pings, bad bot. |
| 12:49.52 | Venemo | Necc: oh, really? |
| 12:49.57 | Necc | ... |
| 12:50.00 | Venemo | :P |
| 12:50.21 | Necc | type: /whois [nickname] and get your surprise |
| 12:50.43 | MSJ | hallo i have a problem i try to install mobilehotspot and then i restarted my nokia n900 now it wont do anything it does haning on some boting program called u-boot |
| 12:50.48 | MSJ | anybody that cna help me |
| 12:51.12 | Venemo | MSJ: see |
| 12:51.14 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 12:51.14 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:51.38 | MSJ | i can not flash it tried all night |
| 12:51.39 | Venemo | nah, goodbye guys, I have to leave now |
| 12:51.45 | MSJ | i wont let me find the niokia |
| 12:51.53 | MSJ | it** |
| 12:53.05 | andax | FauxFaux: aahh, thats why the #-key on the phone is called tictactoe-key |
| 12:53.11 | andax | :-) |
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| 12:53.53 | tybollt | ~installing meego |
| 12:53.59 | tybollt | ~meego |
| 12:54.00 | infobot | meego is probably http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices |
| 12:55.41 | MohammadAG51 | my school's retarded |
| 12:55.58 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 12:56.04 | Necc | not just yours... |
| 12:56.20 | mece | tybollt, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot ? |
| 12:56.31 | SpeedEvil | There is one good sort of school. |
| 12:56.43 | SpeedEvil | It involves a teacher and a pupil, sitting on a log. |
| 12:56.49 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, router's username and password were admin/admin |
| 12:57.02 | SpeedEvil | In the best schools of this type, the teacher can hit the student with the log too. |
| 12:57.09 | MohammadAG51 | easily got into their main computer |
| 12:57.22 | Termana | MohammadAG51, ha. That sounds like a school I went to |
| 12:57.49 | MSJ | anybody help me :-) how to get my nokia back |
| 12:57.50 | MSJ | ??? |
| 12:58.10 | Termana | MohammadAG51, The principle had his password as the first letter of his first name and then abbreviated version of his last name |
| 12:58.19 | Termana | (and his username was his name) |
| 12:58.30 | Necc | MSJ: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher |
| 12:58.55 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, my school has 3 wireless access points, one of them is WEP locked |
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| 13:00.21 | nidO | i'd be sorely tempted to crack the wep, login to the ap, and just switch it to wpa2 |
| 13:00.29 | Termana | MohammadAG51, with my new found power I changed the District Supervisor from the Department of Education's password for the school system. |
| 13:00.31 | Termana | Oops |
| 13:00.32 | Termana | :P |
| 13:00.37 | pupnik | anybody got a thinkpad with linux |
| 13:00.42 | pupnik | with touchscreen |
| 13:01.04 | MohammadAG51 | nidO, did the first part |
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| 13:01.27 | andax | has linux-tp but no touchscreen |
| 13:01.42 | MohammadAG51 | it was 10 numbers, it's on the class's board |
| 13:03.20 | Termana | MohammadAG51, wait let me guess... 1234567890 |
| 13:03.21 | Termana | :P |
| 13:03.39 | MohammadAG51 | nah, a bit more random |
| 13:03.52 | MohammadAG51 | 1212121212 |
| 13:04.28 | Termana | pfft. They could have at least made it 1s and 0s rather than 2s. Make it spell something out |
| 13:04.52 | MSJ | listen to me.... i have tried to flash it but nothing works |
| 13:04.53 | MSJ | plz |
| 13:04.54 | MSJ | help |
| 13:04.55 | MSJ | me |
| 13:05.42 | MSJ | u-boot still there |
| 13:05.45 | MSJ | nothing to do |
| 13:05.52 | MSJ | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285 |
| 13:06.01 | MohammadAG51 | go to a shell and type boot? |
| 13:06.05 | MSJ | many people have the same problem |
| 13:06.43 | tybollt | mece: danke schön! |
| 13:07.12 | MSJ | muhammed >>> it just want start op there is no light on the screen but i can see the u boot screen :-) |
| 13:07.12 | tybollt | ~retard |
| 13:07.12 | infobot | methinks retard is slow again, from latin 'tardis', time |
| 13:07.45 | MSJ | i can not write anything on it |
| 13:07.46 | MohammadAG51 | MSJ, just flash the kernel back to stock then |
| 13:07.54 | MohammadAG51 | you can |
| 13:08.04 | MohammadAG51 | just press any key when it shows up |
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| 13:08.39 | MSJ | what does that mean muhhamed |
| 13:08.41 | MSJ | ??? |
| 13:09.31 | MSJ | is it possible to charge the battery when it like this??+ |
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| 13:09.54 | MSJ | when i put the usb cable to the com it stands in orange light |
| 13:10.07 | MSJ | does it mean that it charhing |
| 13:10.45 | andax | . o O ( thats why i avoid flashing ) |
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| 13:11.41 | MSJ | andax i never flashed it ... it a program that just did my nokia go gaga |
| 13:12.00 | MSJ | muuch help in this maemo channel |
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| 13:15.20 | MSJ | where are the brains in this channel+?? |
| 13:15.24 | chem|st | MSJ: uboot is extras devel and not for joe |
| 13:15.36 | MSJ | joe??? |
| 13:15.38 | chem|st | MSJ: AND THE HELL STOP IT! |
| 13:15.38 | nidO | MSJ you got your answer, and it's in the thread you yourself linked to. |
| 13:15.47 | chem|st | MSJ: average Joe |
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| 13:16.26 | MSJ | i dont got nothing... it dosent work... http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?s=347002a75daf9b9af9821dd807bc40e6&p=870285#post870285 look here people have the same problem and non of the flashing things works for them either |
| 13:16.44 | shika | hello |
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| 13:17.12 | chem|st | MSJ: if you screw your device with extras-devel software void user() returns Joe |
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| 13:18.27 | MSJ | okay I've exhausted all combinations: |
| 13:18.28 | MSJ | Command: flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R |
| 13:18.28 | MSJ | (Windows 7, cmd with administrator previlege) |
| 13:18.28 | MSJ | #1 |
| 13:18.28 | MSJ | Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel" |
| 13:18.28 | MSJ | #2 |
| 13:18.29 | MSJ | Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => start flasher on PC => plug n900 via usb => greetings, "starting kernel" |
| 13:18.29 | MSJ | #3 |
| 13:18.30 | MSJ | Battery out => battery back in => slide open keyboard => press "U" => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel" |
| 13:18.30 | MSJ | #4 |
| 13:18.31 | MSJ | Battery out => battery back in => keyboard not slide open => plug n900 via usb => start flasher on PC => greetings, "starting kernel" |
| 13:18.31 | MSJ | so uboot loads no matter how. |
| 13:18.31 | chem|st | MSJ: have you tried to boot without backcover? |
| 13:18.32 | MSJ | as some hinted above perhaps it has to do with the battery and use PC usb to charge instead of the wall charger. hmm maybe. this is the last method I've seen so far. so let's see what happens when the battery is fully charged via PC USB (with no high hope though ... :-x ) |
| 13:18.41 | Appiah | pastebin! |
| 13:18.52 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: would you mind? |
| 13:19.04 | DocScrutinizer | eh? |
| 13:19.08 | MSJ | chem >> is that have something to say |
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| 13:19.31 | chem|st | ~tell MSJ about pastebin |
| 13:19.45 | Scelt | http://chetansurpur.com/blog/2010/11/magic-work-cycle.html |
| 13:20.11 | MSJ | thx for tje pastebin |
| 13:20.27 | MSJ | i booting it with no backcover |
| 13:21.31 | chem|st | MSJ: so without backcover it wont boot either? |
| 13:22.14 | MSJ | i have a small idea that the battery is low but i dont know if it charge when i put it in the charger |
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| 13:22.27 | DocScrutinizer | *sigh* |
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| 13:22.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 13:22.34 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 13:22.35 | Necc | and also i guess you removed the memory card too |
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| 13:23.23 | MSJ | should i remove it??? |
| 13:23.39 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: uBoot will boot maemo if no (mountable) uSD, right? |
| 13:23.43 | Necc | do you has any idea how u-boot works or just "let it be installed for fun"? |
| 13:23.46 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 13:24.01 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: without backcover it should boot to maemo after timeout |
| 13:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 13:24.25 | chem|st | Necc: the second ;) |
| 13:24.30 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: yes, but thats irrelevant in this case because hes replaced the stock kernel with power kernel |
| 13:24.52 | DocScrutinizer | and then *hopefully* start to charge, as MSJ is being told since 2 days to CHARGE BATTERY prior to flashing |
| 13:24.52 | chem|st | nidO: didn't get that part *scrolling* |
| 13:25.05 | yacc | curious, is there some documentation how the USB tethering works? the PC shows in his dmesg "device cannot dial" but a normal wvdial works to connect. |
| 13:25.06 | MSJ | as i said i installed something called... mobilehotspot it said something about power kernal also so i installed that to... reboot then it was beeing wired about the u boot thing so i thouht it would boot to maemo but it just frezzres there |
| 13:25.06 | nidO | chem|st: the whole problem came about when he installed mobilehotspot |
| 13:25.13 | nidO | which also installs power kernel |
| 13:25.17 | yacc | Does the n900 share the IP address with the host? |
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| 13:25.28 | chem|st | nidO: ty |
| 13:25.32 | chem|st | nidO: found it |
| 13:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: so what? |
| 13:25.34 | yacc | Does the N900 get a second IP address somehow from the provider? |
| 13:25.34 | nidO | MSJ, basically this major fuckup with your device has happened because you didnt read |
| 13:26.06 | Necc | poer kernel from the extras-devel i guess |
| 13:26.28 | Necc | *power-kernel-2.6.28-maemo40 as i remember numbers correctly |
| 13:26.31 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: uboot and power-kernel arent compatible with each other |
| 13:26.39 | chem|st | yacc: if you are talking about gsm/edge/umts 2g/3g then yes normal practice is to NAT through |
| 13:26.45 | MSJ | i take the battery off put in after 1 minut put it in to wall charger then the orange led turns on but i can also see on the screen that u-boot running |
| 13:26.48 | nidO | as clearly spelt out in the uboot info, and reiterated by stskeeps here: |
| 13:26.48 | nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870262&postcount=28 |
| 13:26.49 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
| 13:26.55 | MSJ | but there it no light on the screen |
| 13:27.55 | chem|st | MSJ: that is normal afair, orange means charging |
| 13:27.56 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: that's normal so far. low battery |
| 13:28.07 | pupnik | stskeeps is an hero |
| 13:28.10 | MSJ | oky i charge it then |
| 13:28.25 | MSJ | what do i do exacly after this |
| 13:28.44 | chem|st | MSJ: wait for green light |
| 13:28.52 | nidO | once your device has power, follow this: |
| 13:28.54 | nidO | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 |
| 13:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | it won't really charge, it just will boot eventually, and then hopefully boot to maemo and start flashing yellow, which means real charging |
| 13:29.27 | MSJ | boot to maemo?? |
| 13:29.28 | MSJ | doc |
| 13:29.30 | MSJ | ?? |
| 13:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't flash yellow, and instead reboots, you're screwed and need to charge externally (assuming you got no proper charging meego on a uSD for alternative OS boot) |
| 13:31.05 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: I hope your ???? key won't wear out :-/ my eyes do, though |
| 13:31.11 | MSJ | oky thx all of you for the help for now.. i am sorry if have been an ass.. but when my nokia goes down i go down tooo with it |
| 13:31.41 | yacc | chem|st, I'm talking explicitly about the USB tethering, which seems to be no NAT (or you could reach the n900 via IP, which you cannot), so yes what? |
| 13:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: get an external charger, they are 5$ in an asian shop |
| 13:32.13 | chem|st | yacc: which direction |
| 13:32.13 | MSJ | i live in denmark no asian shope |
| 13:32.37 | MSJ | but it is yellow or i will call it orange |
| 13:32.43 | yacc | chem|st, when you plugin in PCSuite mode at least, the N900 plays a dumb USB UMTS modem too. |
| 13:33.00 | MSJ | and i can see the u-boot on the screen with no light just black screen understand?? |
| 13:33.05 | yacc | chem|st, /dev/ttyACM0 where you do the normal ppp dialin with the *99# number ;) |
| 13:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | what do you see exactly? |
| 13:33.49 | DocScrutinizer | what's written or displayed on the screen? |
| 13:33.57 | nidO | MSJ: There are instructions given by Matan as to what you need to do in the thread you yourself linked, you still havent read them. |
| 13:34.19 | MSJ | you know that linux picture then it says something about u-boot bla bla power kernal stuff like that |
| 13:34.55 | chem|st | yacc: nevermind, your pc does see a USB network device, afair the IP your host gets is another than the ip your n900 has inbound or outbound |
| 13:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | then it already tried to boot and got stuck in uBoot. It won't recover. Get some way to charge your battery without N900 |
| 13:35.14 | MSJ | witch page |
| 13:35.15 | MSJ | 4 |
| 13:35.16 | MSJ | ?? |
| 13:35.17 | DocScrutinizer | you reached a deadend |
| 13:35.23 | yacc | chem|st, yeah, that too, but it also sees a serial device, and I'm curious how that serial device is implemented, ... |
| 13:35.24 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: not true |
| 13:35.26 | nidO | MSJ: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 |
| 13:35.42 | MSJ | doc... noooooooooo |
| 13:35.42 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: not helpful |
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| 13:36.20 | nidO | ofc its helpful, he can get as far as uboot so he can get to its interactive console which means he can restore a working kernel using matan's script |
| 13:36.44 | MSJ | so it dosent charge |
| 13:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: uhuh, how he'll do that? |
| 13:37.01 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: how would he not be able to do that? |
| 13:37.05 | MSJ | nid0 .... have you seen what doc wrote |
| 13:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | meh, you just made it on my ignore list |
| 13:37.26 | MSJ | i never install one program on my nokia again |
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| 13:37.39 | chem|st | yacc: ehrm pardon? PC-Suite is not part of the maemo stack... |
| 13:37.46 | MSJ | i am so angry i could trow this phone away |
| 13:38.06 | Necc | because your own stupidness? how logical! :P :D |
| 13:38.22 | yacc | chem|st, and I do not use PC-Suite, but the PC-Suite mode provides a serial device that emulates an UMTS modem, and I'm curious about that, .. |
| 13:38.30 | yacc | MSJ: send it to me :) |
| 13:38.41 | chem|st | MSJ: please proceed! |
| 13:38.51 | MSJ | :-( |
| 13:38.56 | chem|st | MSJ: or do you want my postal address? |
| 13:38.57 | MSJ | you people are mean :-) |
| 13:39.20 | yacc | MSJ: you do know that the power kernel and so on have huge warning stickers about "do you really want to do it and do you really know what you doing!!!" ? |
| 13:39.20 | MSJ | can i go to the phone company with this |
| 13:39.24 | Necc | or we're just happy if another person offers an N900 for free |
| 13:39.25 | chem|st | MSJ: I am known as BOFH |
| 13:39.33 | chem|st | MSJ: nope |
| 13:39.51 | MSJ | why not |
| 13:39.52 | MSJ | ??? |
| 13:39.56 | lcuk | chem|st, who is your PFY? |
| 13:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: ok, you're a PITA in the way you answer, but you're right |
| 13:40.04 | yacc | MSJ: they might notice the uboot screen? |
| 13:40.06 | chem|st | MSJ: your fault... it is written everywhere around and you did not read properly, |
| 13:40.09 | MSJ | so i have to break it berfore i go down to them |
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| 13:40.46 | MSJ | with other nokia does this battery fit to |
| 13:40.47 | MSJ | =??? |
| 13:40.48 | yacc | MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway. |
| 13:40.50 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: read THIS! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 |
| 13:40.56 | yacc | 5800 and so on. |
| 13:41.00 | yacc | BL-5J |
| 13:41.08 | realitygaps | got the 3g working, ben.nl had old connection settings on their website |
| 13:41.14 | chem|st | lcuk: I got no assistant yet but I was talking to the bosses about that already ;) |
| 13:41.30 | lcuk | chem|st, then you are not a BOFH |
| 13:41.37 | MSJ | what about the 3000 series |
| 13:41.38 | MSJ | ?? |
| 13:41.38 | lcuk | you are yourself a PFY? |
| 13:41.41 | lcuk | :P even |
| 13:42.21 | MSJ | doc... the orange led light is still on |
| 13:43.24 | DocScrutinizer | mhm, how interesting |
| 13:43.30 | chem|st | lcuk: not having an assistant doesn't let me become one o_O |
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| 13:44.55 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post |
| 13:44.55 | infobot | drops a baby grand on matan, for not using ANY text formating in his post |
| 13:44.58 | chem|st | lcuk: I know since that story a real bofh is in need of a pfy... I at least got people to do my work so I can be in IRC... |
| 13:45.16 | DocScrutinizer | type type type |
| 13:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | very noobfriendly |
| 13:45.40 | chem|st | realitygaps: grats |
| 13:46.43 | pupnik | 14:40 < yacc> MSJ: no get a second battery and an external charger for that, which is a good idea for the N900 anyway. <<< YES |
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| 13:47.27 | pupnik | I highly recoomend a universal li-ion charger and spare batteries. you can keep a small stock of charged batteries |
| 13:47.35 | yacc | So any documentation on how the UMTS modem works on the N900? |
| 13:47.39 | chem|st | MSJ: I would try that matan workaround first |
| 13:47.53 | yacc | pupnik, universal li-on charger? Any examples that would work? |
| 13:48.10 | MSJ | doc i think it do charge begause i just took of from the charger and turn it on then there are light on the phone screen |
| 13:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: please just believe me, it doesn't *really* charge |
| 13:49.05 | pupnik | http://www.accupower.at/panther6_en.php this works for me |
| 13:49.09 | yacc | MSJ: not to kill your happiness, most "highend" devices do not charge without cooperation of the software on it. |
| 13:49.13 | MSJ | oky but i can read waht it says on the u-boot screen now |
| 13:49.21 | yacc | pupnik, AT? |
| 13:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger |
| 13:49.27 | MSJ | who make this fucking |
| 13:49.31 | MSJ | sry |
| 13:49.31 | pupnik | yes they are an importer of chinese made stuff yacc |
| 13:49.49 | pupnik | so they ensure legal compliance in eu - rohs, warranty |
| 13:50.11 | yacc | pupnik, price point? |
| 13:50.31 | MSJ | you dont know any command i can write on this doc?? |
| 13:50.35 | pupnik | well the device from china is about 7 euro, the government compliance adds another 15 euro in cost |
| 13:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: and I know for sure it still doesn't boot, it still doesn't flash, and it will be off with completely drained battery ... about right now |
| 13:50.59 | MSJ | it says omap3rx-51>> here it is possible to write things |
| 13:50.59 | pupnik | however you as a customer do benefit from that compliance - only you could buy three devices for the price of one |
| 13:51.30 | yacc | eeck, Graz :( |
| 13:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | MSJ: R*E*A*D * * * T*H*I*S*: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 |
| 13:52.25 | MSJ | oky thx... |
| 13:52.27 | MSJ | :-) |
| 13:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | ~debian MSJ |
| 13:52.48 | infobot | ACTION tells MSJ to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 13:53.16 | MSJ | i go to the store and make them charge it for me |
| 13:53.31 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-11-11 14:49:27] <DocScrutinizer> MSJ: either you read, understand, and follow http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=870270&postcount=30 -- or you get an external charger |
| 13:53.50 | yacc | MSJ: That's an idea ;) |
| 13:54.10 | DocScrutinizer | and now we're thru with your story, until you made some progress of *any* kind |
| 13:54.12 | yacc | pupnik, I'd prefer something that I can get out of the door and pickup myself, ... |
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| 13:54.24 | MSJ | oky doc |
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| 13:55.20 | yacc | pupnik, and driving 2x200km for a charger makes not exactly sense :( |
| 13:55.41 | pupnik | yacc: Federal Express |
| 13:56.48 | yacc | lol. these guys usually don't even ring here :( |
| 13:57.29 | realitygaps | chem|st: yep im chuffed, thx for your help... the apn was called basic.internet.ben.data |
| 13:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | so driving 2 * 250km to pick up the fedex parcel? :-P |
| 13:58.10 | yacc | pupnik, what adapter are you using? |
| 13:58.42 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: No find that small dinky mobile shop that by mistake have a charger that I can use in stock ;) |
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| 13:59.56 | pupnik | the one i linked yacc |
| 14:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, that's just me but when in a pinch I always find ways to charge my batteries ;-D There's paperclips, and cars, and maybe even an old nokia wallcharger |
| 14:00.51 | yacc | pupnik, that's a link to the charger, but then you need an adapter for Nokia, ... |
| 14:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | also who says it has to be a LiIon cell that powers the contacts in that battery bay |
| 14:01.17 | pupnik | no, you place the battery in the charger yacc |
| 14:01.26 | pupnik | so you charge spare batteries while using your n900 |
| 14:01.33 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Trying to charge LithiumIon batteries when not knowing what you do is are real NOGO. |
| 14:01.37 | pupnik | or n800 770 etc, |
| 14:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: ABSOLUTELY |
| 14:01.59 | yacc | pupnik, I know, but the page says you get a charger and then you need an adapter for your battery, ... |
| 14:02.11 | yacc | pupnik, yeah, as I did with my G1, ... |
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| 14:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: I know what I know though :-D |
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| 14:03.47 | pupnik | yacc: i place all lithiums of all devices directly on the charger (with adapter) - the adapter is universal |
| 14:04.09 | yacc | Oh, so there is an universal adapter included? |
| 14:04.15 | pupnik | yes |
| 14:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | so at least I'm well aware when I'm not knowing what I do, and can take appropriate safety measures |
| 14:04.27 | pupnik | that's why i linked it - because it's a universal adapter |
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| 14:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: you know... |
| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~batteryfaq |
| 14:05.17 | infobot | somebody said batteryfaq was http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Battery_Questions_and_Answers |
| 14:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 14:05.35 | yacc | pupnik, http://geizhals.at/?such=Panther6 <= notice the "Ladeschale"? |
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| 14:05.51 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well if you know how, everything is fine. |
| 14:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | nothing about brute force charging in there, but we knew why we didn't elaborate on that |
| 14:06.09 | pupnik | that is linkspamming to get hits for different battery types yacc |
| 14:06.27 | pupnik | it is the same product |
| 14:07.00 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Not sure if an old Nokia wall charger does have the needed electronics to charge a LiIon battery without a phone in between. |
| 14:07.24 | pupnik | i think DocScrutinizer is talking about just giving batteries some juice with manual supervision |
| 14:07.36 | DocScrutinizer | it has a relatively high Z which means voltage will go down smoothly @ max I |
| 14:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | and for the rest see pupnik ^^^ |
| 14:08.40 | pupnik | i don't want to go on about this but a universal charger really helped me with all portable devices |
| 14:08.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure you can overcharge if you charge too long |
| 14:08.45 | pupnik | i now always have a fresh spare |
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| 14:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | basically depending on type of battery (has protective circuit or not) the cell itself will cut out on ~4.3V which is still considered safe. If you got one without... happy new year! |
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| 14:12.05 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: fried LiPolies ar fun! |
| 14:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | yep, MUUUUCH fun :-P |
| 14:12.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: its like an egg in a microwave |
| 14:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | youtube has zillions of videos about such fun |
| 14:13.01 | chem|st | just faster.... |
| 14:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | and hotter |
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| 14:14.48 | DocScrutinizer | just recalls he forgot to sleep last night |
| 14:16.31 | shika | has anyone managed to sync the n900 over bluetooth ? |
| 14:16.45 | chem|st | shika: sync what? |
| 14:16.59 | shika | calendar, addressbook |
| 14:17.03 | chem|st | shika: with what |
| 14:17.20 | shika | I managed to do this with syncml-ds-tool, but on usb |
| 14:17.33 | shika | bt always fail I donât know why |
| 14:17.41 | shika | tried with syncevolution and syncml-ds-tool |
| 14:17.42 | chem|st | shika: please elaborate |
| 14:17.53 | shika | Iâm sure it is paired because IÂ can send files on it |
| 14:17.57 | chem|st | shika: thunderbird? |
| 14:18.04 | shika | nope, evolution |
| 14:18.23 | shika | (or text files) |
| 14:18.49 | chem|st | shika: linux? (don't know if there is evo for windows) |
| 14:20.43 | shika | chem|st: yep, with linux |
| 14:20.52 | shika | I get First ERROR encountered: ObexTransprotAgent: Underlying transport error |
| 14:20.57 | shika | with syncevolution |
| 14:21.27 | shika | Iâve got syncevolution 1.1 |
| 14:21.27 | chem|st | shika: are you able to send files? |
| 14:21.46 | chem|st | if not your BT isn't setup properly |
| 14:21.50 | shika | yep |
| 14:21.57 | shika | thatâs why Iâm pretty sure it is paired |
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| 14:22.17 | shika | the bluetooth icon goes blue on the n900 systray |
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| 14:26.16 | _trine | MohammadAG, are you here ? |
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| 14:28.32 | _trine | MohammadAG, is it ok if I give that neopwn program to my friends as well |
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| 14:36.00 | shika | chem|st: hereâs what IÂ get with syncml-ds-tool : http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21217 |
| 14:36.30 | shika | I see it attempts to connect to the n900, but it somehow fails :/ |
| 14:36.52 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i fixed my certs |
| 14:37.01 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: with proper trusted signed certs |
| 14:37.32 | zap | What package contains the program to enable USB host mode? kernel-power already installed. |
| 14:38.08 | kaie | alterego, I was able to fix my meego/n900 startup ssh-keygen-stalls issue by mounting the sd card on PC, and copying keys to the right place. thanks for your idea. should we document this somewhere? |
| 14:41.17 | shika | chem|st: hereâs what sdptool finds about the phone http://pastebin.mandriva.com/21218 |
| 14:41.59 | shika | I wonder why the connection gets rejected :/ |
| 14:44.02 | jacekowski | zap: kernel-hostmode |
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| 14:45.04 | shika | also, version 1.0 and 1.2 gives the same result |
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| 14:49.37 | shika | please tell me if you need additional information about my setup :) |
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| 14:54.32 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: arg |
| 14:54.44 | timeless_mbp | so you mean i have to test someone else's server? |
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| 14:56.27 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: i can change it back if you really want |
| 14:56.45 | timeless_mbp | if you could run it /somewhere/ on that server for me to play w/, that'd be appreciated :) |
| 14:56.56 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't have to be on 5222 |
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| 14:58.05 | sivang | timeless_mbp: what server, what test? |
| 14:58.17 | timeless_mbp | misconfigured jabber ssl |
| 14:58.18 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: port 5333 |
| 14:58.24 | timeless_mbp | thanks |
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| 14:58.30 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: proper cert on 5222 and broken one on 5333 |
| 14:59.02 | jacekowski | so what is that script of yours supposed to do |
| 14:59.08 | jacekowski | just tell user that cert is broken? |
| 14:59.09 | jacekowski | or what? |
| 14:59.44 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix/opt/maemo/usr/bin/ |
| 15:00.05 | timeless_mbp | it should install the cert, and eventually it will modify /etc/hosts |
| 15:00.11 | jacekowski | Internal Server Error |
| 15:00.24 | jacekowski | i think your server is trying to execute it |
| 15:00.26 | timeless_mbp | yeah, don't try to run .pl files :) |
| 15:00.35 | timeless_mbp | http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb |
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| 15:00.38 | jacekowski | so how do i download it |
| 15:00.42 | timeless_mbp | download and extract it using ar+tar |
| 15:00.45 | timeless_mbp | (or dpkg-deb) |
| 15:01.39 | sivang | timeless_mbp: this is also part of the slides? :) |
| 15:01.43 | sivang | *is this |
| 15:01.52 | timeless_mbp | needs to make the slides |
| 15:02.03 | sivang | timeless_mbp: me too :/ |
| 15:02.14 | timeless_mbp | the slides parts are going to be pictures of /etc/osso-af-init/ |
| 15:02.14 | sivang | is stil busy with dayjob |
| 15:02.21 | timeless_mbp | wonders how to make a picture of a directory |
| 15:02.35 | sivang | timeless_mbp: use an nautilus icon? |
| 15:02.39 | sivang | timeless_mbp: for directory |
| 15:03.00 | sivang | timeless_mbp: I want to sit and meet on sunday *sometime* before Monday comes. |
| 15:03.12 | sivang | timeless_mbp: about the talk ,etc |
| 15:03.15 | timeless_mbp | nods |
| 15:03.25 | sivang | thanks |
| 15:05.04 | chem|st | shika: I have no idea (and currently busy) |
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| 15:08.56 | cmsamour | hello guys, uninstalled the power-kernel and mobilehotspot, and I rebooted |
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| 15:09.14 | cmsamour | My phone keeps rebooting and showing the Nokia Logo screen |
| 15:10.01 | cmsamour | after a while I see a message that says "Malfunctioning Device Shut down in 10s" |
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| 15:10.17 | cmsamour | Any ideas how can I fix this? |
| 15:11.28 | chem|st | cmsamour: have you tried to remove the battery? |
| 15:11.39 | andax | depends on the malfunction |
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| 15:12.10 | chem|st | cmsamour: have you tried to flash to stock kernel? |
| 15:12.45 | cmsamour | chem|st: yes. I tried that, and the memory card |
| 15:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | funny idea to uninstall a kernel - go figure |
| 15:12.52 | cmsamour | just keeps rebooting |
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| 15:13.05 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yup ;) |
| 15:13.22 | chem|st | cmsamour: flashing the kernel too? |
| 15:13.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 15:13.25 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:13.39 | cmsamour | chem|st: will try that |
| 15:13.41 | cmsamour | thanks |
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| 15:14.26 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: shouldn't infobot strip naked or something on ~flash? |
| 15:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | she did, you were too busy with kernel to realize |
| 15:17.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~striptease |
| 15:17.04 | infobot | Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? |
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| 15:20.44 | _trine | after infobot does the striptease it should do a bit of peeking and poking into a few common ports |
| 15:20.50 | shika | chem|st: no problem, thanks anyway :) |
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| 15:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashything _trine |
| 15:23.45 | infobot | ACTION sets the dial, puts on shades, and makes _trine forget the last hour |
| 15:24.03 | _trine | :) |
| 15:24.36 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: did you look at the script? |
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| 15:26.58 | jacekowski | not really |
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| 15:33.03 | DocScrutinizer | I have to say I'm not really happy with the way uBoot is packed with a kernel to one monolithic blob |
| 15:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | probably it'd be tough to get uBoot into any other partition than kernel, or rather it'd be hard to tell NOLO to chainload it from there |
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| 15:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | but really, if uBoot came with a preinstall script to build that blob locally, from uBoot image plus whatver kernel is already in use, then flash that instead of a fixed kernel version riveted to uBoot... |
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| 15:41.00 | DocScrutinizer | of course patching NOLO to chainload from another partition/location probably would be even better - if somebody had the brains for that |
| 15:41.10 | DocScrutinizer | pokes jacekowski |
| 15:43.12 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: could uBoot get duct-taped to end of NOLO and still fit on mtd partition? |
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| 15:45.58 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: partitions can be moved |
| 15:46.20 | DocScrutinizer | I thought as much. A tad invasive though, no? |
| 15:46.29 | jacekowski | how big is u-boot? |
| 15:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | nfc |
| 15:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | how big might it get to fit? |
| 15:47.32 | jacekowski | i have to play with mods to nolo |
| 15:47.36 | jacekowski | and see what happens |
| 15:47.41 | zap | What is the difference between g_nokia.ko and g_ether.ko? |
| 15:47.53 | jacekowski | zap: 5 letters |
| 15:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah. I guess patching the absolute load addr for ""kernel"" on NAND isn't hard |
| 15:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | g_nokia doing ass rage? |
| 15:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | and PC-suite shit |
| 15:52.54 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | zap: anyway where from you got g_ether? |
| 15:54.49 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: has to be a new secret weapon of "enemy" then. Evil! Nuke them! |
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| 15:55.41 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: do you remember junior high school? |
| 15:55.53 | pupnik | There were kids who were interested in learning about things, and reading. |
| 15:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | never was on a jnior high |
| 15:56.02 | pupnik | And there were kids who were interested in dominating others |
| 15:56.18 | DocScrutinizer | we got no such thing here I guess |
| 15:56.28 | pupnik | This is the culture i saw in USA |
| 15:56.51 | lcuk | pupnik, bullying is a worldwide problem and not related to one type of school |
| 15:57.09 | DocScrutinizer | lord of flies was the name of the movie |
| 15:57.19 | pupnik | lcuk: i see society as a conflict between the nerdy creators of cool things, and the libido dominande bullys |
| 15:58.00 | pupnik | it is just an expansion of the social dynamic visible in 7th grade |
| 15:58.04 | DocScrutinizer | that's archaic I guess |
| 15:58.14 | pupnik | really? |
| 15:58.32 | pupnik | i saw the kids interested in learning get 'taxed' in the hallways |
| 15:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | as in "evolution inevitably created it like that" |
| 15:59.03 | yacc | lcuk, it's a cultural problem, I've gone through school as a nerd herearound without any bad bulling incidents, ... |
| 15:59.07 | pupnik | nothing organic about forced schooling |
| 15:59.27 | pupnik | the greatest incidence of sexual abuse occurs in environments where people are forced to be together |
| 15:59.35 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 15:59.36 | pupnik | prisons, military, public schoools |
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| 15:59.51 | yacc | lcuk, or let me put it like that. The highschool experience here is clearly not even near to the experiences shown by movies, books, and so on that talk about the US. |
| 15:59.52 | timeless_mbp | the pki guy here showed me that -i and -a behave differently on his device |
| 15:59.56 | timeless_mbp | but on my device, neither work :( |
| 16:00.11 | lcuk | yacc, of course |
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| 16:09.24 | yacc | lcuk: the other kids either ignored me, or "befriended" me to get homework help in math, ... |
| 16:10.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | hey Mr Birkett, how's about liqacceltest learning to reset the chip? |
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| 16:11.30 | lcuk | Mr Reisenweber, reset the chip? |
| 16:12.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep, it's stuck here. Once again. AIUI it's the chip itself |
| 16:12.54 | MohammadAG51 | use flyn900, then throw the N900 10m into the air, it will reset |
| 16:13.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | nope. Tried that, doesn't. Maybe I threw it 11m |
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| 16:14.01 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer51, explain reset |
| 16:14.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | good point |
| 16:14.15 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, recalibrating maybe |
| 16:14.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | I guess there's some I2C reset cmd |
| 16:14.32 | lcuk | CLOSED: RESOLVED: WORKSFORME |
| 16:14.38 | lcuk | patches welcome then |
| 16:14.43 | lcuk | you already know more than me |
| 16:15.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | duh, was there a patch for that in 1.3? |
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| 16:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | meh, rmmod lis302dl didn't help |
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| 16:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeek >> Registers marked as reserved must not be changed. The writing to those registers may cause permanent damages to the device.<< |
| 16:36.37 | ShadowJK | What's that from? |
| 16:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | so now you know why it's deprecated to play with i2cset without having a clue what you're doing |
| 16:36.45 | DocScrutinizer | lis302 ds |
| 16:37.22 | ShadowJK | s/deprecated/stupid/ |
| 16:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | ok |
| 16:37.57 | SpeedEvil | I guess that that's screwing cal |
| 16:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | and there's no obvious reset bit |
| 16:38.44 | ShadowJK | I'd guess excercising every possible codepath in the device would do the same |
| 16:38.54 | ShadowJK | (unless it blows up first) |
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| 16:40.55 | SpeedEvil | Well - you can set voltages high enough to fry stuff by playing with registers. |
| 16:41.32 | andax | i2cset can permanently kill memory: http://man-wiki.net/index.php/8:i2cset#WARNING |
| 16:41.51 | knightstalker | I love N900 for this <3,It allows you to kill it |
| 16:41.58 | ShadowJK | I'm guessing it's its own control regs and working ram mapped to same i2c as documented interface.. |
| 16:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: yes. it's not THAT simple though |
| 16:42.45 | SpeedEvil | Sure. |
| 16:43.10 | SpeedEvil | Destroy is strong. |
| 16:43.16 | SpeedEvil | The memory is not destroyed. |
| 16:43.22 | SpeedEvil | It may be made unusable. |
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| 16:45.56 | borco | hi |
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| 16:46.18 | andax | SpeedEvil: in the manual, "destroy" is written in capitals. I think it can seriously destroy |
| 16:46.27 | SpeedEvil | It can't. |
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| 16:46.54 | SpeedEvil | It can rewrite the I2C eeprom in order to make it not usable without rewriting which cannot be done in most PCs. |
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| 16:48.50 | andax | well, then it can destroy in some cases |
| 16:49.24 | SpeedEvil | It is not destroyed if it can be repaired. |
| 16:50.15 | andax | and in conclusion, when it cannot be repaired in most PCs, it has destroyed |
| 16:50.25 | SpeedEvil | No, it's not. |
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| 16:50.56 | javispedro | morning gentleman |
| 16:51.01 | SpeedEvil | Morning. |
| 16:51.42 | javispedro | *men. |
| 16:51.44 | javispedro | ;P |
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| 16:53.53 | RST38h | moo javispedro |
| 16:53.58 | RST38h | how are things? |
| 16:54.11 | borco_ | hi |
| 16:54.12 | javispedro | quite well |
| 16:54.35 | javispedro | "my little project" is going very well, I might have something cool to show soon |
| 16:54.39 | andax | SpeedEvil: Where the heck do you see the relevant difference between "irrepairably unusable" and "destroyed"? |
| 16:54.40 | javispedro | anything new and evil? |
| 16:54.42 | borco_ | i've just installed the nokia sdk and tryed to deploy my first app on a n900 |
| 16:55.07 | borco_ | all went almost ok, but qtcreator wasn't able to install the app |
| 16:55.11 | borco_ | is this a known thing? |
| 16:55.23 | SpeedEvil | andax: because it's not irreparably. |
| 16:55.33 | RST38h | javispedro: Well, small things |
| 16:55.44 | SpeedEvil | andax: I can hook it to a USB-I2C adaptor I have a couple of meters from me, and repair it. |
| 16:55.50 | slonopotamus | andax: ipods are irrepairably unusable, though they're not broken. |
| 16:56.16 | borco_ | i've logged into the device via ssh as user 'developer', installed the deb and then all worked fine. is this possible to get this automatically from qtcreator? |
| 16:56.20 | RST38h | javispedro: Have not got time to work on my own projects (Maemo related or not) for what feels like eternity |
| 16:57.57 | andax | SpeedEvil: Okay, this was explicit enough, at last the penny dropped :) |
| 16:58.45 | Funnyface | hmm, just reflashed to PR 1.3, but my junk is all still there, and the programs are not. is an rm -r /home/user/.* all I need to get it back to out of the box state? ^^ |
| 16:59.09 | javispedro | RST38h: oh, coming to dublin though btw? |
| 16:59.17 | RST38h | javispedro: nope |
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| 17:00.27 | javispedro | ah :( |
| 17:00.57 | slonopotamus | Funnyface: /home/user/MyDocs i think. and never _ever_ run rm with .* on the end :) |
| 17:01.21 | RST38h | javispedro: no money, no vacation left, very low probability of any big announcements during the conference |
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| 17:01.58 | RST38h | javispedro: would still like to chat with a few people from the community and Nokia, but see above |
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| 17:04.50 | javispedro | RST38h: agreed with the low probably point |
| 17:04.58 | javispedro | in fact at this point it has been pretty much stated |
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| 17:07.34 | RST38h | http://www.klocwork.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/Deadlock-frog-versus-snake.jpg |
| 17:07.36 | RST38h | A picture that applies to so many RL situations... =) |
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| 17:09.17 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RTOQUnvI3CA - soundtrack to above pic |
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| 17:10.15 | SpeedEvil1 | <PROTECTED> |
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| 17:11.14 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ what do you think of my 'happy happy' song - written in 1997 or so |
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| 17:16.23 | kerio | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iCQ0vDAbF7s this one's better |
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| 17:20.44 | timsamoff | Anyone moderators here? If so, could you add the 1800 UTC Maemo Meeting to the room topic? It doesn't seem to want to work for me. :-/ |
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| 17:22.00 | MohammadAG | hey timsamoff |
| 17:22.10 | MohammadAG | pings crashanddie / crashanddie_ |
| 17:22.13 | timsamoff | Good morning (my time of course). |
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| 17:37.01 | pupnik | Physical Modeling recreates real piano: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5scEjoWRcR8 |
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| 17:38.57 | alterego | That is awesome. |
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| 17:42.29 | pupnik | don't miss this one then alterego - detuned strings http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WrIpDM-rc0M |
| 17:42.44 | pupnik | that blew me away |
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| 17:43.05 | alterego | I bet that keyboard costs a bomb .. |
| 17:43.17 | pupnik | 2300 euro right now |
| 17:43.33 | alterego | That's a lot more reasonible than I thought :D |
| 17:43.34 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, ping |
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| 17:43.58 | pupnik | the same modeling without the customization (boo) is 1300 euro |
| 17:43.59 | alterego | pupnik: so are you porting it to maemo? :P |
| 17:44.24 | pupnik | no but i have my own ideas for music-making workflow i'd like to realize someday |
| 17:44.26 | pupnik | on a portable |
| 17:44.37 | alterego | Cool, |
| 17:44.55 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 17:45.06 | pupnik | it usually works best when someone else codes my ideas |
| 17:45.06 | alterego | I'd like to work on a guitar swiss army knife app, digital tuner + personal amplifier + recorder |
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| 17:45.14 | pupnik | doing that right now, actually |
| 17:45.18 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, would you still happen to have the info on window switching? the stuff with alt-tab |
| 17:45.20 | alterego | Doing what? |
| 17:45.27 | pupnik | fun proggies |
| 17:45.32 | alterego | :) |
| 17:45.42 | MohammadAG | yeah, use gconf-tool-2 :) |
| 17:46.04 | psycho_oreos | bleh I know that but I need the full command line..lol |
| 17:46.19 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 17:47.09 | MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/ctrl_backspace_in_tasknav -t int 5 I think |
| 17:47.09 | psycho_oreos | thought I had bookmarked it |
| 17:47.22 | psycho_oreos | thanks |
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| 17:48.08 | slonopotamus | MADNESS |
| 17:48.23 | slonopotamus | A typical piece of GObject class initialization code. The example shows a property file-size being added to some class. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/17/GObject_example.png |
| 17:48.43 | RST38h | slono:is this LISP? |
| 17:48.45 | RST38h | ;) |
| 17:48.59 | slonopotamus | and they really think any sane person will use that? |
| 17:49.20 | alterego | That's C |
| 17:49.23 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, yup it works, and that lead to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 17:50.00 | alterego | tbh, there's some unnecessary parens in there .. |
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| 17:51.03 | slonopotamus | alterego: only one, before g_param_spec |
| 17:51.14 | alterego | slonopotamus: indeed, that is what I Was talking about :P |
| 17:51.37 | MohammadAG | sigh, any workaround for Error opening terminal: xterm |
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| 17:51.44 | MohammadAG | when installing scratchbox |
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| 17:52.15 | alterego | Can't say I've had that error. |
| 17:52.21 | slonopotamus | alterego: and smth around 50LoC to just declare new type :) |
| 17:52.23 | alterego | Do you have xterm installed? |
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| 17:52.44 | alterego | slonopotamus: gobject is a pain, but there is a reason it is how it is. |
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| 17:54.12 | slonopotamus | alterego: there's no excuse for having so much boilerplate code that you have to write and read |
| 17:54.38 | alterego | They do have generators .. |
| 17:54.53 | alterego | And the boiler plate becomes pretty transparent when you get used to seeing it :P |
| 17:55.31 | slonopotamus | generators - okay. writing all that by hand - no way |
| 17:55.43 | alterego | Well, that's what generators are for. |
| 17:55.50 | alterego | Or you can use a template, which is what I generally do. |
| 17:56.12 | alterego | I have templates, then just use search/replace to rename the class etc. |
| 17:56.35 | MohammadAG | alterego, yes |
| 17:56.46 | MohammadAG | and TERM env variable is set to xterm |
| 17:56.54 | alterego | Interesting, |
| 17:56.57 | MohammadAG | this wasn't present on 10.04 |
| 17:57.03 | alterego | this is why I always do manual install .. |
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| 17:58.20 | alterego | Anyhow, dinner time, bbiab |
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| 17:58.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, even manual |
| 18:00.23 | javispedro | slonopotamus: yes, GObject is madness. |
| 18:00.33 | javispedro | slonopotamus: I've defined around 6 to 7 GObjects in my entire life. |
| 18:00.41 | javispedro | slonopotamus: takes an entire afternoon doing just one |
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| 18:00.48 | javispedro | so... my suggestion, NEVER, EVER, do it. |
| 18:00.56 | javispedro | use Vala, or gob2, or SOMETHING. |
| 18:01.26 | RST38h | javispedro: Was that done under the influence of a control substance of some kind? |
| 18:01.34 | RST38h | controlled |
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| 18:01.54 | javispedro | RST38h: promises of a better future with OO |
| 18:02.23 | javispedro | cfmradio has 4 gobjects iirc, and the next one I define I will do in blood. |
| 18:04.11 | RST38h | javispedro: eek |
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| 18:05.16 | javispedro | thinks the only good stuff out of gobject would be signals... if it weren't for the even more ugly marshaller stuff. |
| 18:05.29 | javispedro | gobject should never be used directly |
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| 18:22.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there already an application to organize ones quicklaunchers in groups? |
| 18:25.35 | Jaffa | KaffeeJunky123: "quick launchers"? |
| 18:26.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | Jaffa: aka shourtcuts |
| 18:26.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | *shortcuts |
| 18:26.29 | Jaffa | KaffeeJunky123: There's Catorise |
| 18:26.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's for the application menu only from my understanding |
| 18:27.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm asking if there's an application to help arranging the icons on your hildon desktop |
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| 18:35.01 | javispedro | aha, Microsoft patents a "Foot Based Interface" |
| 18:35.14 | Shadikka | foot-in-mouth based interface |
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| 18:37.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | javispedro: omg, why do they do such a thing? |
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| 18:37.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | to stop the free software comunity from creating foot based interfaces? |
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| 18:37.41 | ShadowJK | oh no |
| 18:37.44 | tank-man | and those dance games used what? your arms? |
| 18:37.49 | ShadowJK | now I can't go to work tonight |
| 18:37.56 | ShadowJK | my car uses a foot based interface |
| 18:38.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | ShadowJK: don't joke about this, it's for barrier free interfaces |
| 18:38.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | ShadowJK: for people with no hands for example |
| 18:38.55 | lcuk | computer, search please: maemo history archive: barcelona long weekend, set resulting scans of screen layouts for media editing application. stored on wiki I believe |
| 18:39.01 | lcuk | but I can't find a link \@/ |
| 18:39.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | a patent on such technology in general means that ms can limit who may provide a foot interface |
| 18:40.02 | lcuk | javispedro, have you any idea - a load of photos of the paper layouts drawn in one of hte sessions |
| 18:40.12 | javispedro | <computer> self-destruction started. access code alpha beta four six tango. 60 seconds until core explosion. have a nice day. |
| 18:40.17 | lcuk | maybe converted into pdf code :P |
| 18:40.49 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 18:40.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | What part of hildon is managing the position of icons on the desktop, or however those widgets and shortcut buttons are called. |
| 18:41.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | are there apis to position those icons, or is it done by editing some configuration files? |
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| 18:41.48 | javispedro | lcuk: I do not think I have any of it saved on my HDD, so if it's gone from the web ... :( |
| 18:41.53 | lcuk | KaffeeJunky123, configuration files |
| 18:42.00 | lcuk | javispedro, i dont think its gone |
| 18:42.07 | lcuk | i just don't think it was advertised |
| 18:42.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | lcuk: where can I find a doc on those config files? |
| 18:43.46 | lcuk | http://www.forum.nokia.com/Design/Design_process/Getting_started/Conceptual_design.xhtml |
| 18:43.49 | javispedro | lcuk: videos are still on youtube, maybe you can get a hint of them in any of the videos? |
| 18:43.49 | javispedro | ah |
| 18:44.17 | lcuk | KaffeeJunky123, err not sure right now |
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| 18:44.24 | lcuk | javispedro, its ok i am getting closer |
| 18:45.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | lcuk: well, I'll just read all wikipages on ui stuff then xD |
| 18:46.00 | javispedro | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlJ2Ttq231A ? |
| 18:46.00 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you have been rooting around hildon desktop recently, have you noticed where the layouts are stored? |
| 18:46.09 | lcuk | javispedro, theres a whole bunch of links |
| 18:46.23 | lcuk | i looked over them when they were posted |
| 18:46.28 | lcuk | will find it |
| 18:46.29 | javispedro | aha |
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| 18:47.33 | lcuk | :D |
| 18:47.34 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/VideoEditor |
| 18:47.42 | javispedro | ah. |
| 18:47.46 | javispedro | I actually never saw that! :) |
| 18:47.55 | MohammadAG | hmm, layouts for what? |
| 18:47.59 | lcuk | now, to post in the meego-dev thread |
| 18:48.07 | lcuk | about early bird.. |
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| 18:53.55 | javispedro | wtf |
| 18:53.58 | javispedro | n900 has recharged itself |
| 18:53.59 | javispedro | xd |
| 18:54.08 | javispedro | it was low battery beeping minutes ago |
| 18:54.10 | MohammadAG | javispedro, hostmode kernel? |
| 18:54.17 | javispedro | and suddenly bme says 50% |
| 18:54.28 | javispedro | no, stock |
| 18:54.35 | mgedmin | magnetic fields! |
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| 18:54.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | javispedro: free energy probably ;) |
| 18:55.02 | javispedro | I totally do not know what happened here. |
| 18:55.05 | javispedro | other that dud battery |
| 18:55.13 | javispedro | s/that/than/ |
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| 19:00.54 | timeless_ | help |
| 19:01.01 | timeless_ | how do i run something as another user? |
| 19:01.08 | timeless_ | ... a *specific* command |
| 19:01.13 | timeless_ | short of using suid user |
| 19:01.17 | psycho_oreos | sudo? |
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| 19:02.36 | timeless_ | Sorry, user user is not allowed to execute '/bin/touch /tmp/xx' as user on Nokia-N900. |
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| 19:03.56 | psycho_oreos | you'll need to use visudo to edit /etc/sudoers file and give user more credentials or maybe login as root via sudo -i and then try that |
| 19:04.57 | timeless_ | settles on echo do_what_i_want | su - user |
| 19:05.05 | psycho_oreos | hmm may also need gainroot package or use rd mode or install openssh-common and try logging in as root |
| 19:05.15 | ShadowJK | javispedro, nah the meter is rather useless |
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| 19:06.08 | javispedro | timeless_: su <user> -c "command" |
| 19:06.17 | timeless_ | javispedro: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb |
| 19:06.22 | javispedro | ShadowJK: well, first time I see it go from 0% to 100% |
| 19:06.29 | javispedro | s/100%/50% |
| 19:06.45 | timeless_ | javispedro: see Sorry above |
| 19:07.05 | timeless_ | javispedro: oh, no |
| 19:07.11 | javispedro | you have to be root |
| 19:07.15 | timeless_ | sudo: illlegal option '-c' |
| 19:07.23 | javispedro | ah, messybox :( |
| 19:07.36 | timeless_ | Usage: su [OPTION]... [-] [username] |
| 19:07.43 | timeless_ | so yeah, forget what you know about stuff |
| 19:07.48 | timeless_ | anyway, install deb above |
| 19:07.53 | javispedro | timeless_: what's that pkg btw? forces jabber certificate checking? |
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| 19:08.08 | timeless_ | and try (as root) running perl /usr/sbin/jabber-cert-convert.pl |
| 19:08.14 | timeless_ | it isn't done yet |
| 19:08.16 | timeless_ | but yeah, basically |
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| 19:08.43 | timeless_ | when it's done, it'll install the cert(s), set up /etc/hosts properly, and fix accounts so that they use the "proper" (broken) hostnames |
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| 19:09.32 | javispedro | I see what you did there. |
| 19:10.52 | jvesiluoma | yay, managed to compile gstmjpg, now to test it... |
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| 19:11.50 | javispedro | # su user -c "/usr/bin/cmcli -p" |
| 19:11.50 | javispedro | /usr/bin/cmcli: option requires an argument -- p |
| 19:11.54 | javispedro | timeless_ ^^ |
| 19:12.07 | javispedro | (note: bad argument is intentional) |
| 19:12.11 | javispedro | I do no want to mess with certs just yet |
| 19:12.28 | javispedro | but su user -c seems to work in messybox |
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| 19:12.37 | javispedro | despite its own builtin help. |
| 19:12.45 | timeless_ | of course! |
| 19:12.53 | timeless_ | why didn't i divine that from it's help? oh .. |
| 19:15.01 | javispedro | didn't use to call busybox "messybox" until few months ago. by now I think it really deserves the name. |
| 19:15.16 | javispedro | gimme GNU!! |
| 19:15.55 | timeless_ | bsd userland, please :) |
| 19:16.02 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, and I named it like that |
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| 19:16.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: yes, I copied you =) |
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| 19:17.06 | timeless_ | fwiw, i'm starting to agree |
| 19:17.30 | pupnik | getting old is needing to increase your terminal from 7 to 8 point font |
| 19:18.34 | DocScrutinizer | not on N900? |
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| 19:18.59 | DocScrutinizer | I need at very least 10PT |
| 19:19.09 | GAN900 | Wee, the netbook fits in my camera bag. |
| 19:19.18 | GAN900 | That simplifies things. |
| 19:19.23 | WakiMiko | im trying to install wifieye but i get: unmet dependencies: depends python2.5-qt4-core but it is not going to be installed |
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| 19:19.32 | tekojo | GAN900: travel packing? |
| 19:19.34 | WakiMiko | why isnt it installing the dependencies? |
| 19:19.42 | GAN900 | tekojo, indeed. |
| 19:20.32 | Shapeshifter | WakiMiko: probably, 2.5-qt4-core isn't in the repo anymore |
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| 19:21.05 | Shapeshifter | mh |
| 19:21.06 | tekojo | GAN900: necessities (money, passport, phone), toiletries and clothes, that's all you need |
| 19:21.06 | Shapeshifter | it is |
| 19:21.22 | Shapeshifter | WakiMiko: what happens if you install it manually? |
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| 19:21.49 | WakiMiko | i just did an apt-get update and now it works |
| 19:21.59 | GAN900 | tekojo, well, bringing the camera and the Mini 9, too. |
| 19:21.59 | javispedro | #if 0 /* Please understand this before removing guard. */ |
| 19:22.02 | timeless_ | GAN900: don't forget shaver |
| 19:22.05 | timeless_ | forgot that last week |
| 19:22.09 | GAN900 | timeless_, indeed not. |
| 19:22.20 | tekojo | timeless_: I consider that a toiletry |
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| 19:22.39 | timeless_ | tekojo: it's in a different spot in my apt, but in my case i forgot both :( |
| 19:23.02 | timeless_ | (initially i forgot my passport even though I explicitly noted to myself that i needed it) |
| 19:23.14 | timeless_ | in my case, s/phone/phones/ :) |
| 19:23.18 | tekojo | timeless_: ouch, so you went shopping? |
| 19:23.39 | timeless_ | tekojo: nah, i grew a bad beard for a week and the hotel gave me a toothbrush w/ toothpaste |
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| 19:23.41 | WakiMiko | crashes when i start it though: runtimeerror: the sip module implements API v8.0 but the PyQt4.Qtcore module requires API 7.1 |
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| 19:23.57 | GAN900 | I'm probably going to end up forgetting my jacket. |
| 19:24.01 | tekojo | timeless_: you with a beard, that would be a sight |
| 19:24.02 | timeless_ | the monday before last was a holiday in France, so shopping wasn't very practical |
| 19:24.13 | timeless_ | tekojo: google for me, there are shots online fairly high iirc |
| 19:24.20 | GAN900 | Weather's back up to fall standard. |
| 19:24.32 | timeless_ | on the trip before last, i left one of my phones @home :( |
| 19:24.46 | timeless_ | people might consider taking a bike helmet w/ them |
| 19:24.53 | timeless_ | i took one to Lyon and it was helpful |
| 19:25.00 | timeless_ | Dublin is bike friendly too (traffic sucks) |
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| 19:25.51 | tekojo | timeless_: compared to Helsinki Dublin is bike heaven |
| 19:26.05 | GAN900 | Renting a bike? |
| 19:26.09 | tekojo | not as good as Amsterdam, but anyway |
| 19:26.28 | tekojo | GAN900: not this time, but visited there a couple of times |
| 19:26.32 | timeless_ | GAN900: Lyon was a 150EUR deposit |
| 19:26.42 | timeless_ | pick up at any site, drop off at any site |
| 19:26.44 | timeless_ | first 30mins free |
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| 19:26.52 | timeless_ | for 7 days |
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| 19:27.24 | mgedmin | what's happening with maemo fbreader? |
| 19:27.31 | GAN900 | Dunno that I'll be doing any non-group tourism. |
| 19:27.45 | mgedmin | there are frequent releases to extras-devel (I presume), where can I see changelogs? |
| 19:27.47 | GAN900 | mgedmin, new maintainer not shipping RST38h's patches? |
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| 19:28.20 | mgedmin | http://fbreader.org/ has FBReader 0.12.10 is released (April 2, 2010) as the latest new entry |
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| 19:28.32 | mgedmin | so this new development and maemo5ication is unofficial work then? |
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| 19:28.48 | mgedmin | I'd like to register a complaint about segfaults on exit then |
| 19:29.00 | jacekowski | mgedmin: in changelog |
| 19:29.38 | jacekowski | mgedmin: you're just being fussy |
| 19:29.51 | mgedmin | I'm trying to be curious |
| 19:30.46 | nox- | moin |
| 19:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 19:32.09 | mgedmin | suppose I find http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/fbreader/0.12.10-15/ |
| 19:32.16 | mgedmin | how can I find the _source_ package for that version? |
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| 19:32.39 | marmoute_ | mgedmin: upstream ? |
| 19:32.50 | mgedmin | bzzt wrong |
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| 19:33.22 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:34.40 | Noobmonk3y | squeals |
| 19:34.47 | javispedro | mgedmin: you shoul'd be able to from there |
| 19:35.09 | javispedro | funnly enough, link is not there. |
| 19:35.15 | javispedro | magic. |
| 19:35.54 | mgedmin | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/ has nothing with version number 0.12.10 |
| 19:36.01 | mgedmin | did someone upload a binary-only package? |
| 19:36.05 | mgedmin | am I looking in the wrong place? |
| 19:36.30 | javispedro | mgedmin: it was uploaded by this guy |
| 19:36.31 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/profile/view/rob1n/ |
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| 19:36.35 | javispedro | so, grab your pitchfork. |
| 19:36.38 | javispedro | and pay him a visit. |
| 19:36.47 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/11/aaxa-busts-out-its-bright-little-xga-m2-projector/ |
| 19:36.51 | RST38h | this plus N900... |
| 19:37.14 | MohammadAG | apt-get source fbreader=0.12.10? |
| 19:37.37 | javispedro | mgedmin: also, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/source/f/fbreader/ |
| 19:37.39 | MohammadAG | hmm, nvm |
| 19:37.48 | mgedmin | I _am_ looking in the wrong place |
| 19:37.51 | mgedmin | thanks, javispedro |
| 19:37.53 | mgedmin | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/f/fbreader/ |
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| 19:38.13 | mgedmin | now to download 2.3 MB of tarball just to see a frigging changelog |
| 19:38.22 | javispedro | seemingly autobuilder misbehaved by building it |
| 19:38.45 | javispedro | s/by/while |
| 19:39.31 | javispedro | partially thanks god that uploading stuff to AB is hard |
| 19:39.34 | RST38h | hm |
| 19:39.41 | javispedro | sometimes you see newcomers uploading plain shit |
| 19:39.44 | RST38h | mgedmin: how about using fapman? It shows changelogs, no? |
| 19:39.48 | javispedro | that fortunately fails to build... |
| 19:40.01 | javispedro | otherwise we'd have x86 binary packages on armel repos already |
| 19:41.13 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: so, seem ok? |
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| 19:41.50 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: the package? a bit on the hackish side :) |
| 19:41.55 | javispedro | but should work. |
| 19:42.13 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: the next part is more painful |
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| 19:42.20 | timeless_mbp | i need to figure out how to talk to telepathy |
| 19:42.26 | RST38h | ahhaha |
| 19:42.27 | timeless_mbp | because i need to change its settings |
| 19:42.29 | RST38h | [sorry] |
| 19:42.55 | timeless_mbp | and ... if you have more than one jabber account, i need to use socat |
| 19:43.29 | javispedro | yes, hackish. |
| 19:44.02 | javispedro | I wonder if telepathy doesn't have some sort of warning signal, as afaiu, the telepathy core "does" SSL cert (i do not know if maemo has that disabled due to certman?) |
| 19:44.27 | javispedro | *cert verification. |
| 19:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: the joy of git haters |
| 19:44.47 | mgedmin | eh? |
| 19:44.53 | KMFDM | i wish someone would fix the pidgin-otr package |
| 19:44.56 | javispedro | mgedmin: btw, what was on the changelog? :D |
| 19:44.58 | mgedmin | what do I have to do with git haters? |
| 19:45.06 | KMFDM | i think im just gonna have to give up waiting on the maintainer to do it and fix it myself when i have some free time |
| 19:45.10 | javispedro | " - New upstream release" ? |
| 19:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | garage in this case I guess |
| 19:45.13 | Robot101 | timeless_mbp: socat? eh? |
| 19:45.22 | timeless_mbp | netcat? whatever? |
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| 19:45.28 | Robot101 | timeless_mbp: what are you trying to do? |
| 19:45.35 | mgedmin | javispedro, http://pastie.org/1290762 |
| 19:45.35 | timeless_mbp | Robot101: whichever |
| 19:45.40 | timeless_mbp | i need to tunnel stuff |
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| 19:45.47 | timeless_mbp | someone gave me instructions last night (?) |
| 19:45.51 | timeless_mbp | i'm busy |
| 19:46.01 | Robot101 | is there a problem with SSL in Telepathy itself? |
| 19:46.33 | javispedro | mgedmin: theoretically it does mention RST38h and qwerty12 |
| 19:46.41 | javispedro | mgedmin: so I wonder when things went SNAFU? |
| 19:46.48 | mgedmin | did things go SNAFU? |
| 19:46.55 | javispedro | ah wel.. |
| 19:47.00 | mgedmin | other than the segfault on exit, I'm mostly happy with the new version |
| 19:47.06 | mgedmin | except now I can't find a way to get "About FBReader" |
| 19:47.18 | mgedmin | and I can't find a way to figure out the filename of the current book from vimscript |
| 19:47.28 | mgedmin | state.xml no longer has it :( |
| 19:47.33 | javispedro | Robot101: UI doesn't warn of invalid SSL cert |
| 19:47.36 | mgedmin | I'm afraid the info is in state.db |
| 19:47.40 | RST38h | vimscript. eek. |
| 19:47.46 | mgedmin | the table structure in state.db and books.db scares me |
| 19:47.49 | Robot101 | eh, it surely does - we have an error code for it |
| 19:48.04 | mgedmin | had a nice macro to edit the current book |
| 19:48.10 | Robot101 | there were lots of people running around screaming about it for the N800 |
| 19:48.19 | Robot101 | we added the SSL errors to connection failure cases |
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| 19:50.04 | javispedro | Robot101: sorry, real explanation is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-11-11.log.html#t2010-11-11T01:52:35 |
| 19:53.37 | Robot101 | is the URL to the script missing? |
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| 19:54.40 | javispedro | Robot101: http://timeless.justdave.net/maemo/jabber-ssl-fix.deb |
| 19:54.45 | Noobmonk3y | meh back in here |
| 19:54.53 | Noobmonk3y | anyway, qt packaging for maemo......... |
| 19:55.04 | Noobmonk3y | is this the easiest way? http://wiki.maemo.org/Packaging_Qt_Creator_Apps_for_Maemo_Extras |
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| 19:58.30 | pronto | wait, updating the device removed all my applications? |
| 19:59.48 | Noobmonk3y | yup, and then you just restore the backup you created before updating :) |
| 19:59.49 | javispedro | with flasher or nokia software upgrade? it not only removed all your applications, but also some or all of your data, depending on whether you reflashed the emmc or not. |
| 19:59.53 | Noobmonk3y | it then dloads all your apps @_ |
| 19:59.58 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 20:00.07 | pronto | i did a back up, restored it, and it didnt give me my applcations back :/ |
| 20:00.14 | pronto | i used that ovi suiete thing |
| 20:00.17 | Noobmonk3y | looks at qt packaging guides.... and thinks, why the buggery is this so hard?!?!?! |
| 20:00.55 | RST38h | Noobmonkey:Because to make it simpler you should avoid using qmake |
| 20:01.02 | RST38h | And use makefiles directly |
| 20:01.18 | javispedro | wth |
| 20:01.34 | javispedro | is that wiki page suggesting commenting out the call to dh_strip? |
| 20:01.43 | javispedro | hopes theres a sane reason for that... |
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| 20:01.56 | jacekowski | timeless_xchat: have you thought about setting your own jabber server? |
| 20:02.11 | jacekowski | timeless_xchat: to test this stuff |
| 20:02.16 | Noobmonk3y | "The current Qt Creator version does not generate an application icon or application desktop file for a Qt for Maemo application by default, you have to define them manually. The complete build support is expected for the upcoming Qt Creator v2.1 that will be used in the Nokia Qt SDK in the near future. " |
| 20:02.20 | RST38h | javispedro: "Some qt library code needs the symbolic information for some esotheric reason"? |
| 20:02.33 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 20:02.34 | javispedro | RST38h: that would INsane reason. |
| 20:02.34 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, look at existing qt application |
| 20:02.43 | Noobmonk3y | :| |
| 20:02.49 | lcuk | there are many and you should be able to just open one |
| 20:02.51 | lcuk | replace bits |
| 20:02.52 | lcuk | done? |
| 20:02.55 | Noobmonk3y | http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/CS001641_-_Showing_Qt_for_Maemo_applications_built_with_the_Nokia_Qt_SDK_in_the_application_menu this looks easier |
| 20:03.03 | Noobmonk3y | but probably doesnt mean packaging |
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| 20:03.23 | Noobmonk3y | thinks a nice vb app to package would be nice, or atleast collate it all ;) |
| 20:04.30 | javispedro | vb! an awk script! |
| 20:05.05 | lcuk | AREXX |
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| 20:05.59 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 20:06.11 | Noobmonk3y | anything to simply the "no-need" linux toughness....... |
| 20:06.20 | Noobmonk3y | i agree making it hard meanss the geeks are happy, but meh |
| 20:06.38 | RST38h | it is not hard |
| 20:06.40 | javispedro | Noobmonk3y: it is mostly boilerplate. not hard, but tedious. |
| 20:06.50 | Noobmonk3y | reminisces of the same aqnnoyancy at pyqt packaging |
| 20:06.51 | RST38h | You have to learn it, then it becomes easy |
| 20:06.57 | Noobmonk3y | javispedro: meh good point |
| 20:07.07 | Noobmonk3y | and i'm simple, so file structures explained etc.... |
| 20:07.22 | Noobmonk3y | most of the guides are never ending lists, hard to confirm you have done it right |
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| 20:08.33 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
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| 20:10.47 | javispedro | btw, I can still get to the council parts of the site, I still have the council cloak.. |
| 20:11.01 | javispedro | deduces being a council member must be a hereditary position |
| 20:11.18 | sivang | timeless: here? |
| 20:12.18 | mgedmin | all hail the Benevolent Council Member For Life |
| 20:12.34 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 20:14.34 | yacc | ./j #clq |
| 20:15.21 | lcuk | yacc, leaning perl? |
| 20:15.25 | lcuk | learning even ffs |
| 20:16.08 | yacc | lol, no never type a command into a window before checking that some chars are not already entered, ... |
| 20:16.39 | lcuk | good advice. |
| 20:17.11 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: no time |
| 20:17.16 | timeless_mbp | and it's really a sideshow |
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| 20:18.31 | sivang | timeless_mbp: got my pms? |
| 20:18.34 | sivang | err |
| 20:18.35 | sivang | PMs |
| 20:18.37 | jacekowski | PMS? |
| 20:18.40 | sivang | pms does not sound right |
| 20:18.43 | sivang | jacekowski: yeah :) |
| 20:18.45 | mgedmin | sivang, your secret is safe with us |
| 20:18.50 | timeless_mbp | sivang: you have a gmail account, right? |
| 20:18.50 | timeless_mbp | i'll share the thing through to you |
| 20:18.51 | sivang | mgedmin: hehe |
| 20:19.41 | ioan | hi. after last enhanced linux kernel update, the camera gets "operation failed", anyone knows why or what's the fix? |
| 20:20.44 | cmsamour | ioan same here |
| 20:21.20 | cmsamour | I did the dumbest thing, I uninstalled the power kernel and bricked the phone |
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| 20:21.48 | nox- | cmsamour, bc of meego/uboot dualboot? |
| 20:22.55 | ioan | is there a way to install the power kernel that works (old version)? I have a premonition that today when the camera doesn't work I'll see a UFO. |
| 20:23.51 | sjk | hehe! |
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| 20:24.41 | cmsamour | I will try to flash the firmware in a sec |
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| 20:38.35 | ioan | ok, I reverted to the original kernel and now the camera works. does anyone know how to install the latest good power kernel? |
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| 20:39.10 | trumee | could telepathy in meego be used in maemo? I am hoping meego will get sip MWI support. |
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| 20:40.06 | Robot101 | interestingly... voxcorp didn't release their source |
| 20:40.16 | Robot101 | will mail them |
| 20:40.34 | trumee | Robot101: well i installed vox app, but it doesnt show MWI from my * server |
| 20:40.47 | trumee | Robot101: i think they use freeswitch at vox corp |
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| 20:41.09 | trumee | Robot101: was there any plan of them releasing the source? |
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| 20:49.32 | cmsamour | I flashed the phone and everythin seems to be fine |
| 20:49.49 | ioan | ok, on this page, which column is month and which is day?? |
| 20:49.51 | ioan | http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/k/kernel-power/ |
| 20:50.17 | cmsamour | thanks |
| 20:50.31 | cmsamour | ioan: good luck with the camera problem |
| 20:50.45 | cmsamour | I just reflashed the phone |
| 20:50.47 | cmsamour | bye |
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| 20:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: what makes you sure they are obliged to release their source? |
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| 20:52.37 | SpeedEvil | http://gizmodo.com/382026/a-cellphones-missing-dot-kills-two-people-puts-three-more-in-jail - on risks of localisation |
| 20:53.10 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: nicely worded about mounting on tmo. |
| 20:53.20 | DocScrutinizer | depending on particular implementation, the MWI bit could be completely unrelated to any GPL'd code, and just coexist with telepathy |
| 20:54.24 | Noobmonk3y | meh meh |
| 20:54.31 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: i was a bit disappointed that vox-mobile is not picking up the MWI message from *. Will check with the dev. |
| 20:56.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: is that a SIP Notify message, http://www.pastie.org/1290937 ? |
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| 20:58.50 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have a 770 handy? |
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| 21:00.48 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: hmm, looks like a 400 error response to a INFO mwi |
| 21:01.13 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: right |
| 21:03.26 | GAN900 | timeless_mbp, why would anybody need that? |
| 21:03.50 | timeless_mbp | well, i'm trying to get pictures for a bug report |
| 21:03.52 | timeless_mbp | well |
| 21:03.54 | timeless_mbp | not a bug report |
| 21:03.55 | timeless_mbp | for slides |
| 21:03.58 | timeless_mbp | based on a bug report |
| 21:05.55 | GAN900 | Hmm, got one running OS2008. |
| 21:06.06 | Arkenoi | timeless, i do |
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| 21:06.19 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: cool |
| 21:06.22 | timeless_mbp | one sec |
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| 21:11.06 | timeless_mbp | Arkenoi: ... |
| 21:11.06 | timeless_mbp | 1. tap people |
| 21:11.07 | timeless_mbp | 2. View Contacts |
| 21:11.08 | timeless_mbp | 3. application menu > tools > export |
| 21:11.25 | timeless_mbp | i need a picture of the dialog you get at this point |
| 21:12.24 | Arkenoi | is it ok it runs os2007? |
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| 21:14.34 | Arkenoi | (and how do i take screenshot in os2007, i never did?) |
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| 21:16.25 | timeless_mbp | no |
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| 21:16.29 | timeless_mbp | it needs to run 2006 :( |
| 21:16.40 | timeless_mbp | the bug was fixed by 2007 |
| 21:17.49 | timeless_mbp | osso-screenshot-tool |
| 21:18.08 | timeless_mbp | anyone from nokia around? i need help :( |
| 21:21.28 | jacekowski | what have you broken? |
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| 21:22.44 | timeless_mbp | i've lost a database |
| 21:22.53 | timeless_mbp | everyone hated it |
| 21:22.56 | timeless_mbp | but i need it :) |
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| 21:27.07 | javispedro | help! my tracker has gone crazy. |
| 21:27.09 | KMFDM | found an otr workaround for anyone else having issues with that |
| 21:27.11 | KMFDM | http://sebastianbartsch.de/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=98#p2725 |
| 21:27.16 | javispedro | it is trying to index my workstation via NFS =) |
| 21:27.35 | javispedro | I'm quite sure I put /mnt in exclusions... |
| 21:27.35 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: :) |
| 21:28.39 | javispedro | 's idea lightbulb light |
| 21:28.40 | javispedro | s |
| 21:28.44 | javispedro | so |
| 21:28.52 | javispedro | why I'm sure that despite /mnt being in exclusions list |
| 21:29.00 | ioan | how can I specify the version of the kernel-power I want to install? |
| 21:29.01 | javispedro | since tracker crawls new mount points by default |
| 21:29.24 | javispedro | /mnt/stuff gets crawled despite of /mnt being in exclusions |
| 21:29.44 | javispedro | I'd need to add /mnt/stuff to exclusion list |
| 21:29.53 | javispedro | crazy, crazy. |
| 21:30.06 | alterego | Does the exclusion list not handle wildcards? |
| 21:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | haha tracker |
| 21:30.35 | javispedro | alterego: no idea. |
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| 21:30.55 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
| 21:31.32 | MohammadAG | hmm, no |
| 21:31.35 | alterego | What's the command that lets you setup a file as a device for mounting? |
| 21:31.38 | MohammadAG | checks before making an idiot of himself |
| 21:31.46 | MohammadAG | alterego, hmm? |
| 21:31.56 | javispedro | alterego: losetup |
| 21:31.57 | MohammadAG | mount -o loop? |
| 21:32.02 | alterego | Kind of like loopback mount, but my image is a whole drive, not a single filesystem/partition |
| 21:32.02 | MohammadAG | oh, nevermind |
| 21:32.09 | javispedro | alterego: kpartx |
| 21:32.16 | alterego | javispedro: thanks :) |
| 21:32.21 | alterego | kpartx that was it :D |
| 21:33.25 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, pupnik: Any idea which of the three contacts on the BL-5J pack are + and - poles? |
| 21:33.52 | DocScrutinizer | isn't it written plain text on the battery?Ã` |
| 21:34.15 | DocScrutinizer | zips out a bl-5j |
| 21:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | (+) (-) O |
| 21:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | O == BSI |
| 21:35.34 | DocScrutinizer | + == plus, obviously :-P |
| 21:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | need more info? |
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| 21:37.51 | MohammadAG | the poles are also marked on the top side :) |
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| 21:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | not here (if top side != front side) |
| 21:39.05 | VladNistor | just so y'all know, flasher doesn't seem to work with Linux unknown-device 2.6.36-2-generic-pae #7-Ubuntu SMP Thu Oct 21 22:15:17 UTC 2010 i686 GNU/Linux on Ubuntu, it has some sort of kernel error. works fin with 2.6.36-1-generic-pae though |
| 21:39.17 | cehteh | btw how much mA can the device provide in hostmode? is there an limiter or fuse? ... |
| 21:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | 200 |
| 21:39.55 | DocScrutinizer | limited |
| 21:40.03 | javispedro | ponders |
| 21:40.04 | javispedro | hum |
| 21:40.16 | javispedro | why is shm support disabled in the n900's pulseaudio? |
| 21:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | >200 bq24150 throws error and stops boost mode |
| 21:40.25 | timeless_mbp | ok, i need people to help me w/ my presentation |
| 21:40.32 | javispedro | my computer has it enabled, the pre has it enabled... |
| 21:41.12 | javispedro | goes enable it, what's the worst that could happen |
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| 21:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | defcon 1 |
| 21:44.48 | javispedro | world war 3? |
| 21:46.27 | VladNistor | someone said ww3 was supposed to start today or smth |
| 21:47.09 | javispedro | either way, this shm pulseaudio stuff did nothing. i guess that's because the daemon and apps run as different user |
| 21:47.32 | tobis87 | You just need to monitor these freq. http://www.milaircomms.com/ghfs.html . If there is much activity, something is happening and UVB-76 of course. |
| 21:49.58 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 21:50.01 | timeless_mbp | so... |
| 21:50.08 | timeless_mbp | how do i find an old image? |
| 21:50.23 | javispedro | an old what? |
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| 21:53.59 | yacc | DocScrutinizer, right it's on the battery front side, sorry for the bother. |
| 21:54.48 | DocScrutinizer | np |
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| 21:59.57 | VladNistor | I just flashed my device and it doesn't boot up. it shows the nokia logo, then the sceen light goes off, then it comes back on, I see the dots, but then I get like an error sound and it turns off... any suggestions |
| 22:00.11 | VladNistor | *rootfs flash |
| 22:00.24 | alterego | battery is low |
| 22:00.25 | alterego | maybe |
| 22:00.42 | VladNistor | it's plugged in :( |
| 22:00.57 | VladNistor | and it seems to be in a loop :( |
| 22:01.07 | alterego | Oh, reflash then |
| 22:01.15 | VladNistor | i did, twice :)) |
| 22:01.28 | alterego | emmc aswell? :P |
| 22:01.31 | VladNistor | redownloaded the .bin, maybe it wasn't downloaded corectly |
| 22:01.32 | javispedro | reflash emmc + rootfs from some other computer |
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| 22:01.48 | VladNistor | nope, not the emmc |
| 22:01.49 | tobis87 | Maybe a kernel, kernel modules mismatch. |
| 22:02.02 | joga | ~pr1.3 |
| 22:02.02 | infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 22:02.30 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i'm just looking at it |
| 22:02.35 | joga | can pr1.3 be installed OTA at all? |
| 22:02.40 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and i may have been wrong about boot process |
| 22:02.46 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: it looks like it's 4 stage |
| 22:03.04 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: rom -> nokia x-loader -> nolo xldr -> nolo scnd |
| 22:03.22 | jacekowski | or hmmm |
| 22:03.23 | jacekowski | nvm |
| 22:03.28 | jacekowski | it may be something else |
| 22:03.35 | yacc | So after pr1.3 it's meego time? |
| 22:04.02 | javispedro | there is no meego. |
| 22:04.10 | javispedro | the cake is a lie. |
| 22:05.49 | tobis87 | I have seen that kernel-power has patched radio-bcm2048 to support rds data. Does an app already make use of it? |
| 22:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | didn't it work since ages? |
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| 22:08.15 | javispedro | I guess it's not rds but rather tmc |
| 22:08.21 | javispedro | which was news not long ago |
| 22:08.25 | VladNistor | well I used the redownloaded image and it now works, thanks for your help :) |
| 22:08.27 | javispedro | rds has been since forever |
| 22:08.48 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:09.32 | tobis87 | http://git.kernelconcepts.de/?p=rdstmc.git;a=blob;f=driver-n900/radio-bcm2048-2.6.28.diff;h=d60ada5a4cd664bff10682db4a76cca915c66dd1;hb=master <- It says RDS, but I don't know for sure. |
| 22:09.41 | javispedro | tmc, tmc, tmc! |
| 22:11.07 | cehteh | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
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| 22:26.48 | tobis87 | javispedro: yes tmc as well. however the readme says: "Patch to enable V4L compliant RDS data output on Nokia N900, comes through /dev/radio1 (/dev/radio0 is the FM transmitter)." |
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| 22:29.49 | irlame | hello |
| 22:30.10 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: nvm, nolo 2nd is just a temporary bootloader for coldflashing |
| 22:30.47 | pronto | so i updated my n900 today, and now fMMS has stoped working, i can no longer revieve photo-texts |
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| 22:32.09 | irlame | I have a question about using unprotected wifi. When I open the media player I see the person's computer's name and click on it and it does nothing. Can they look at or take files from my n900? |
| 22:33.34 | pupnik | people can look at the data transmitted over the air in an unprotected wifi network |
| 22:34.09 | jacekowski | irlame: that's just upnp you see there |
| 22:34.19 | jacekowski | irlame: it's enabled by default by no files are shared by default |
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| 22:37.15 | blackthorne | hi |
| 22:37.44 | blackthorne | just ordered my N900, can't wait to hold it on my hands... |
| 22:38.13 | blackthorne | one question, is maemo development going to die or somehow integrated with Meego ? |
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| 22:39.13 | mgedmin | there's not going to be an official meego image for the N900 |
| 22:39.28 | mgedmin | and Nokia most likely will not release any updated Maemo 5 versions |
| 22:39.41 | mgedmin | there's some level of community support |
| 22:40.03 | irlame | Thanks iDont did you mean to say "but no files are shared"? |
| 22:40.39 | blackthorne | oh well, the one thing I want to try, is a web2py ( www.web2py.com ) version |
| 22:40.59 | blackthorne | do you see a reason why shouldn't I go with this? |
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| 23:11.39 | pupnik | ey cool lcuk starred in UX meets code videos |
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| 23:21.26 | javispedro | writes pathetic gesture recognition algorithm |
| 23:22.05 | SpeedEvil | For use with fapman? |
| 23:22.23 | javispedro | fapman requies pathetic gestures? :) |
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| 23:22.52 | javispedro | the sort of algorithm that only considers start->end points |
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| 23:29.29 | pupnik_ | javispedro: finally lots of youtube videos about PreenV |
| 23:29.41 | javispedro | yeah |
| 23:30.07 | pupnik_ | surprising and nice that some of the games rescale correctly |
| 23:31.07 | pupnik_ | zehjotkah is doing a nice job blogging about n900 in german |
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| 23:31.44 | pupnik_ | wb merlin_1991 |
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| 23:32.24 | merlin_1991 | thx :D |
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| 23:32.49 | merlin_1991 | for some reason freenode keeps disconnecting |
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| 23:34.32 | Venemo_N900 | hi guys |
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| 23:34.40 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: hey :) |
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| 23:34.52 | MohammadAG | hi |
| 23:35.26 | Venemo_N900 | what's up? |
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| 23:36.07 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: for some reason, my N900 did not start pulseaudio on startup... I had to do 'start pulseaudio' |
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| 23:36.48 | MohammadAG | hmm, and that worked? |
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| 23:37.27 | Venemo_N900 | yes |
| 23:38.00 | yacc | MohammadAG, I've had twice also the problem that pulse audio did not work. The first time I have no idea if pulse was dead or just not working but second time I checked and pulseaudio was not there. |
| 23:38.02 | MohammadAG | I encountered pulseaudio not starting |
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| 23:38.17 | MohammadAG | but starting it always failed |
| 23:38.23 | Venemo_N900 | anyway, I have not seen this before |
| 23:38.37 | yacc | MohammadAG, the first time it also did not start. The second time a start pulseaudio did fix the issue. |
| 23:38.38 | andax | merlin_1991: i have not experienced any problems, my host is bartol.freenode.net[193.107.206.21/6667] |
| 23:38.48 | MohammadAG | atm, I'm on power45 after a reflash, and i haven't had it |
| 23:39.05 | Venemo_N900 | power45? |
| 23:39.08 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 23:39.09 | jacekowski | heh |
| 23:39.29 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 23:39.34 | jacekowski | does anybody here have possibly link to that n900 u-boot |
| 23:39.35 | timeless_mbp | needs a picture of a folder |
| 23:39.48 | pupnik_ | i'm happy to see that nokia was offering a position for a PA developer |
| 23:39.54 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: what is power45? |
| 23:39.55 | timeless_mbp | hey. someone was asking me about md5sums of libstdc++ |
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| 23:40.06 | timeless_mbp | i was right, we do prelink the fiasco images |
| 23:40.09 | MohammadAG | kernel-power |
| 23:40.09 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: http://www.google.co.uk/images?hl=en&source=imghp&biw=1600&bih=681&q=folder&gbv=2&aq=f&aqi=g10&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= |
| 23:40.12 | MohammadAG | version 45 |
| 23:40.25 | timeless_mbp | but we don't (can't iusefully) do that for OTA |
| 23:40.39 | timeless_mbp | jacekowski: i need a picture of /etc/osso-af-defines/ |
| 23:40.59 | andax | pupnik_: PA? |
| 23:41.03 | Venemo_N900 | MohammadAG: oh, ok |
| 23:41.09 | jacekowski | timeless_mbp: picture? |
| 23:41.22 | andax | uuhh, netsplit? |
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| 23:42.23 | pupnik_ | pulseaudio andax |
| 23:42.43 | javispedro | btw, does anybody know how to tell the n900' syslog daemon that I do not want it to buffer messages just in case "they were repeated N times"? |
| 23:42.44 | andax | pupnik_: ok |
| 23:44.15 | javispedro | just randomizes the message contents, I do not want to read sysklogd source code now... |
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| 23:56.55 | SpeedEvil | Append - to the entry?? |
| 23:56.59 | SpeedEvil | Something like that |
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| 23:58.04 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:58.06 | SpeedEvil | maybe not |
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| 23:59.19 | Venemo_N900 | good evening guys |
