| 00:01.31 | internetishard | what is the fix to change all of the calendar entress before DST back to their correct hour? |
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| 00:04.29 | jacekowski | internetishard: i'm not sure if that's going to work at all - but it's very likely that entries are stored in sqlite |
| 00:04.38 | jacekowski | internetishard: and then simple sql query could work |
| 00:04.47 | jacekowski | but i'm not sure if sqlite assumption is true |
| 00:04.56 | internetishard | what is going to work? |
| 00:05.14 | internetishard | when the time changed the other day all of my crap load of calendar entrees were set an hour back |
| 00:06.29 | jacekowski | yeah it's sqlite3 |
| 00:08.10 | internetishard | so what should I do? |
| 00:10.41 | jacekowski | update components set DateStart=DateStart+3600, DateEnd=DateEnd+3600; |
| 00:10.44 | jacekowski | something like this |
| 00:12.01 | jacekowski | i mean like sqlite3 ~/.calendar/calendardb |
| 00:12.04 | jacekowski | and then type that |
| 00:12.10 | jacekowski | make a backup |
| 00:12.14 | jacekowski | before |
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| 00:33.04 | Proteous | whos idea was it to have two people with nicks that start with ja and are the same lenght |
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| 00:33.26 | Proteous | makes it look like someone is talkin to themselves |
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| 00:52.33 | GAN900 | If someone wanted to get a ~$500 laptop with good Linux compatability, what would be recommended these days? |
| 00:59.05 | merlin1991 | acer? |
| 00:59.45 | merlin1991 | all my acers so far had good linux compatibility :D |
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| 01:11.34 | chx | GAN900: no brand in specific. Think in models. |
| 01:13.26 | chx | GAN900: especially if you do not want more than integrated graphics , every laptop has pretty good linux compatibility. They are not that different any more. They build on Intel chipsets with Intel CPUs. Almost all. |
| 01:13.50 | javispedro | if you can find a page of some geek's experiences with a concrete model, the better :) |
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| 01:14.05 | javispedro | has found those quite useful in the past and thus has written some already |
| 01:15.10 | SpeedEvil | Powesaving can vary regrettably though |
| 01:16.07 | javispedro | on a modern laptop the rule of thumb is "half the idle battery life, about the same battery life on stress" |
| 01:16.52 | javispedro | (save for -- usually positive -- exceptions, but I find them rare) |
| 01:17.40 | SpeedEvil | I need to do the git bisect thing to work out why my laptop is using more power. |
| 01:18.22 | nox- | and/or powertop? |
| 01:18.45 | SpeedEvil | not helping |
| 01:18.48 | javispedro | powertop is usually good for extreme cases |
| 01:18.53 | javispedro | not "the little things" |
| 01:19.02 | javispedro | that when talking about idle might very well be in the hours |
| 01:19.03 | nox- | mm ok |
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| 01:25.06 | SpeedEvil | powertop also doesn't help for someone accidentally screwing up powersave. |
| 01:25.11 | SpeedEvil | on a device |
| 01:28.55 | DocScrutinizer | leaving audio amp powered up... screwed RAM refresh... whatnot. No way to detect with powertop |
| 01:30.57 | javispedro | well.. |
| 01:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | on a contemporary laptop you probably got ~30 subsystems, each with the potential to suck battery if configured in an odd way |
| 01:31.10 | javispedro | later versions of laptop do have some kind of expert system to help with that |
| 01:31.39 | javispedro | that make random suggestions (if some USB device is keeping USB controller awake -> suggest unplugging device) |
| 01:31.48 | javispedro | s/laptop/powertop |
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| 01:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 01:33.25 | javispedro | yet... nowhere near as useful when you get down to a certain number. |
| 01:33.55 | javispedro | has an acer5820tg and the min he's reached is around 9W |
| 01:34.14 | javispedro | which is still ~7h of battery life, far from the ~10h it gets with win7... |
| 01:35.32 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 01:35.45 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 01:36.09 | SpeedEvil | I also need to do a quick audit of the schematic of my laptop, for candidates. |
| 01:36.25 | javispedro | I've not gotten down that level yet :) |
| 01:36.36 | javispedro | I am yet on the dissasembling windows drivers stage :) |
| 01:36.41 | chx | i found that compat-wireless helps a ton with battery life |
| 01:36.55 | chx | previous versions did not allow me to powersafe on the wifi |
| 01:37.06 | javispedro | for ex. this one laptop has a windows daemon that kills power to dvd unit |
| 01:37.25 | chx | hm, powertop helps you w that, but a daemon certainly is better |
| 01:37.40 | javispedro | I didn't found similar concept in the kernel yet so I wrote a similar userspace daemon |
| 01:37.42 | chx | (and i have a thinkpad and i permanently killed the power on the dvd by placing it in the cupboard) |
| 01:37.57 | javispedro | net result is -1W |
| 01:38.12 | chx | wow where is that available? :) |
| 01:38.48 | javispedro | chx: it is very acer timelinex specific: http://svn.javispedro.com/acer-odd/trunk/acer-odd.c |
| 01:40.01 | javispedro | missing there is the script in the gnome keybindings that maps eject button to -> echo 1 > power && eject |
| 01:41.46 | chx | wow |
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| 01:44.48 | javispedro | of course, no warranty :) |
| 01:44.54 | javispedro | use under your own peril |
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| 01:51.48 | ebzzry | Hi! Is there a pdf reader for fremantle with proper portrait mode? |
| 01:52.05 | javispedro | by "proper" do you mean "reflowing"? |
| 01:54.09 | ebzzry | Pardon me for the ambiguity. Proper hear would mean 1) fit to width 2) upward and downward scrolling (not sideways), and 3) automatic reorientation |
| 01:54.31 | javispedro | not sideways = reflowing? |
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| 01:55.01 | ebzzry | javispedro: possibly? |
| 01:55.17 | javispedro | you see, pdf is an awful format for ebook exacting because reflowing it is a hard (tm) problem |
| 01:55.24 | javispedro | s/exacting/exactly/ |
| 01:55.39 | ebzzry | javispedro: In evince, for example, when you rotate a document, to say left, scrolling happens sideways. |
| 01:56.03 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 01:56.09 | SpeedEvil | PDF blows. |
| 01:56.18 | ebzzry | javispedro: PDF may be an awful format, but that's the file format of a lot of technical documents. |
| 01:57.51 | javispedro | your best bet is running pdf2txt on it |
| 01:58.00 | javispedro | that's what most commercial pdf reflowers do either way. |
| 01:58.20 | javispedro | (for untagged pdfs that is) |
| 01:58.43 | ebzzry | Hmm. I can imagine that would be horrible for technical LaTeX manuals. |
| 01:59.30 | javispedro | if you have the source, generate html or even rtf |
| 02:00.27 | ebzzry | javispedro: Hmm, RTFs. What RTF reader would you suggest to use? |
| 02:00.41 | javispedro | the free dataviz wordtogo viewer worked fine :) |
| 02:00.57 | javispedro | the paid one is actually worse on this regard, because it won't reflow rtf for some weird reason. |
| 02:01.09 | ebzzry | Worse? Bad. |
| 02:01.20 | ebzzry | That's bad for a premium version. |
| 02:02.06 | javispedro | well, they for some reason I'll never understand got on the Qt hype, rewrote the entire application in Qt, and of course the net result was something horrible that looks ugly, is slow, and does not integrate with the system input method |
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| 02:02.28 | javispedro | but that's another story. |
| 02:02.59 | javispedro | would KILL whoever made that decision. |
| 02:09.06 | ebzzry | I would kill whoever made the decision to make / so small (or not making /usr a separate partition) |
| 02:10.52 | javispedro | bah. |
| 02:13.24 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:13.33 | SpeedEvil | there are no >256M devices in that form factor |
| 02:13.37 | SpeedEvil | Or there weren't |
| 02:14.14 | ebzzry | SpeedEvil: Hmm |
| 02:14.51 | SpeedEvil | That's not the issue anyway. |
| 02:15.01 | SpeedEvil | The issue was this ass-hatted /opt nonesense. |
| 02:15.21 | ebzzry | Why? |
| 02:15.53 | SpeedEvil | unix boxes have been mounting /usr that is on a larger filesystem since maybe the year after unix was invented. |
| 02:17.11 | javispedro | while we're at it, |
| 02:17.12 | javispedro | http://www.samsung.com/global/business/semiconductor/productList.do?fmly_id=160&xFmly_id= |
| 02:17.31 | javispedro | even though I think the N9 will just ship an eMMC |
| 02:17.52 | javispedro | and a even smaller nand flash for possibly bootloader and that's about it. |
| 02:18.10 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 02:18.46 | SpeedEvil | There is little reason not to - if you can do swap to emmc - and live with the bandwidth issues - not do that. |
| 02:19.07 | SpeedEvil | As the on-die bootloader code is 48K or so, and is plenty to boot from emmc |
| 02:19.22 | javispedro | ah |
| 02:19.48 | SpeedEvil | that's the ROM |
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| 02:35.04 | javispedro | mwahaha |
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| 02:35.21 | javispedro | my evil project I probably cannot talk about is going well |
| 02:35.25 | javispedro | world domination here I come |
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| 02:53.35 | ebzzry | javispedro: I'm looking forward to it. |
| 02:54.06 | javispedro | well, let's engage step one. hit the sack! cya. |
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| 03:06.27 | Gorroth | i'm interested in seeing the N9 |
| 03:06.47 | Gorroth | but for now, I'm busy turning the N900 into the ultimate "top secret pocket computer" that is ued for "cool stuff" |
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| 03:07.15 | Gorroth | speaking of which, i'm updating libnet-1.1.2.1-2 in extras-devel to libnet-1.1.5-1 very soon... tonight maybe |
| 03:10.28 | Gorroth | hope the N9 works on t-mobile |
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| 03:37.40 | Proteous | got a cheap 3m pocket projector off of woot.com today |
| 03:37.54 | Proteous | hooked it up to my n900, works quite well |
| 03:39.04 | Gorroth | oh, sweet |
| 03:39.18 | Gorroth | Proteous: use it to show an impromptu porn at your nearest major city |
| 03:39.23 | Proteous | heh |
| 03:39.25 | Gorroth | then run when the cops show up |
| 03:39.42 | Proteous | I'm in the middle of making a bluetooth SNES controller |
| 03:39.50 | Gorroth | with the n900? |
| 03:40.03 | Proteous | that will connect to my n900 yes |
| 03:40.05 | Gorroth | that sounds like not fun to use :( |
| 03:40.09 | Gorroth | oh |
| 03:40.18 | Gorroth | you mean the n900 will be an emulator then? and not the controller? |
| 03:40.48 | Proteous | yeah |
| 03:40.57 | Gorroth | okay, that sounds awesome then |
| 03:41.03 | Proteous | playing nes/snes games on the built in keyboard sucks |
| 03:41.15 | Gorroth | i thought you were going to use the n900 itself as a controller, and i couldn't imagine that being fun |
| 03:41.19 | Gorroth | yeah |
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| 03:41.36 | Proteous | but having a portable wireless nes/snes system that can project a 50in picture on a wall is cool :P |
| 03:41.56 | Gorroth | yeah, that is awesome |
| 03:42.03 | Gorroth | you should take that to your local major city and do it |
| 03:42.08 | Gorroth | and run when the cops show up |
| 03:42.13 | Proteous | ... |
| 03:42.18 | Gorroth | just run |
| 03:42.21 | Gorroth | do it |
| 03:42.30 | Proteous | I just wish the bluetooth keyboard support on the n900 wasn't so fuxored up |
| 03:42.38 | Gorroth | also act surprised and say something about how they're after you |
| 03:42.45 | Proteous | uh huh :P |
| 03:43.09 | Gorroth | yeah, i ahven't tried using any bt stuff on the n900 other than a headset |
| 03:43.43 | Proteous | keyboard support is disabled by default, and even when you reenable it the keymappings are all messed up |
| 03:43.51 | Gorroth | suck |
| 03:43.57 | Gorroth | have to use a lot of xmodmap? |
| 03:44.06 | Proteous | yeah and it's wonkey |
| 03:44.15 | Gorroth | yeah |
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| 03:46.07 | GAN900 | Wee, understaffed hardware-division-beholden software developers suck |
| 03:51.53 | johnx | GAN900, they suck for being beholden to the hardware division? |
| 03:51.57 | johnx | or it sucks for them? |
| 03:52.52 | Gorroth | hmm, i thought the n900 had the option to do video calls on skype now |
| 03:52.55 | Gorroth | but i can't find that anywhere |
| 03:53.33 | johnx | it's in the 'phone' app itself after you make a skype account |
| 03:53.45 | Gorroth | yeah, i have a skype account |
| 03:53.55 | Gorroth | i've been using audio skype on there for a long time |
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| 03:59.30 | GAN900 | johnx, seems a big part of Nokia's problems are related to the hardware division settings all of the requirements. |
| 04:04.45 | johnx | GAN900, true. just sounded like you were bashing the software developers because of the situation :P |
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| 04:06.26 | johnx | hallo andrewfblack :D |
| 04:06.57 | andrewfblack | johnx: Hey |
| 04:07.27 | andrewfblack | must have pissed people off with his Clock App Blog Post |
| 04:07.53 | andrewfblack | people are even thumb downing my Theme Announcement Blog Posts now |
| 04:08.01 | johnx | bummer |
| 04:08.32 | johnx | I just switched to the new maemo-org theme, too |
| 04:08.53 | andrewfblack | like it? |
| 04:09.04 | johnx | probably the first theme I really feel like I can live with since digital nature |
| 04:09.13 | johnx | (I missed the first version of the maemo-org theme ...) |
| 04:09.49 | andrewfblack | johnx: Yeah I really should have updated maemo-org months ago |
| 04:10.31 | johnx | the faenza icons look great on maemo as well. I'd been using them on my desktop for a couple months |
| 04:10.33 | andrewfblack | I'm still not in love my background but when ever I talk about changing it some people get upset so I just leave it lol |
| 04:11.00 | johnx | I use a panorama pic that I've been using since forever |
| 04:11.29 | johnx | but I've never used the background that came with the theme ;) |
| 04:11.34 | andrewfblack | Most of that was shazosbourne I just did a few dozen of them he is the one that really work hard on those. I'm doing a new set of smiles to match the style as well should be out this week |
| 04:11.34 | johnx | even back to the windowmaker days |
| 04:11.55 | johnx | hot sauce |
| 04:12.26 | andrewfblack | I found a wood floor background that just looks awsome with the icons and the colors, the wood has a slight orange color to it |
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| 04:13.16 | johnx | one of the ones on n900wallpapers.com? |
| 04:13.19 | andrewfblack | btw If I have anything to say about it maemo-org will be the first community theme for Meego Handset. |
| 04:13.23 | andrewfblack | johnx: yeah |
| 04:14.04 | andrewfblack | I also got some custom desktop switcher icons i made for the left, right,1,2,3, and 4 |
| 04:14.55 | johnx | I guess the meego colors are purple and greyish. It's weird but I'm really a big fan of orange hilights in themes |
| 04:16.11 | andrewfblack | johnx: I'm should change the name I guess but I will be doing this orange/grey theme in Meego, guess calling it maemo-org will confuse Meego people |
| 04:16.25 | johnx | a bit :) |
| 04:16.40 | johnx | I almost think you should do it |
| 04:16.55 | andrewfblack | I'll have to come up with a name for it |
| 04:17.01 | johnx | but I'm sometimes amused by other people's confusion, so I might not be a good judge ... |
| 04:17.09 | andrewfblack | lol |
| 04:17.22 | andrewfblack | Maybe I'll call it Something(maemo-org) |
| 04:17.45 | johnx | retro-n900? |
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| 04:18.05 | andrewfblack | its about 60% down now no way to change themes in Meego to test it, might be able to just copy files over I guess |
| 04:18.11 | andrewfblack | johnx: thats not bad |
| 04:18.22 | pauly_ | hi i need help |
| 04:18.30 | johnx | hi pauly_. what's up? |
| 04:18.37 | pauly_ | i recorded some vids off n900 |
| 04:19.06 | pauly_ | and they wont play throut the video out composite? |
| 04:20.27 | pauly_ | any ideas? |
| 04:21.05 | johnx | so they play in the video player? what happens when you play them with the video out cable plugged in? do they appear on the N900 screen but not the tv? |
| 04:21.11 | johnx | as much info as possible please |
| 04:21.24 | pauly_ | yes |
| 04:21.36 | GAN900 | johnx, well, I'm not super impressed by most of them, either. |
| 04:21.47 | pauly_ | thats exactly what happens |
| 04:21.50 | GAN900 | andrewfblack, hey-oh. |
| 04:22.25 | andrewfblack | GAN900: Whats up |
| 04:23.09 | GAN900 | andrewfblack, delivered a big project this evening. Looking forward to a (quiet) rest of the week and then Dublin. |
| 04:23.37 | johnx | GAN900, but you're still here :) |
| 04:23.52 | johnx | pauly_, do other videos play fine on the tv? |
| 04:24.02 | pauly_ | none |
| 04:24.04 | pauly_ | do |
| 04:24.07 | GAN900 | johnx, sucker for punishment? |
| 04:24.16 | johnx | does anything show up on the tv when you plug in the cable? like the normal desktop? |
| 04:24.26 | andrewfblack | GAN900: Nice, wish I could be there but like the last shows I'm going to be working lol these things always happen when I'm working 72 hours a week and can't get off |
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| 04:24.49 | pauly_ | yes everything shows up |
| 04:25.01 | GAN900 | Well, they scheduled it during the week, so who's surprised. ;) |
| 04:25.09 | pauly_ | but when i play videos it goes blank |
| 04:25.14 | johnx | GAN900, the thought that MeeGo is probably the last real alternative to iOS/Android? |
| 04:25.45 | GAN900 | johnx, raster was teasing Samsung's unannounced MeeGo killer yesterday. |
| 04:25.55 | johnx | GAN900, yeah. I saw |
| 04:25.58 | johnx | my statement stands |
| 04:26.03 | GAN900 | *g* |
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| 04:26.27 | GAN900 | More depressing than heartening, these days, that MeeGo is the last hope. |
| 04:26.34 | johnx | raster is super-talented, and I'm excited for him, but I think Samsung is pretty clearly in the Android camp |
| 04:26.36 | andrewfblack | GAN900: Looks like there wont be a Florida Linux Show to go to this year btw. |
| 04:26.59 | GAN900 | andrewfblack, tangent was saying nobody had organized anything. |
| 04:27.27 | andrewfblack | GAN900: yeah I've been watching there site and still says they are looking for a place to have it. |
| 04:27.30 | GAN900 | Saves a couple of exhausting days, anyway. |
| 04:27.58 | andrewfblack | GAN900: lol come on it was fun you got a turkey sandwich for free |
| 04:28.03 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 04:28.10 | andrewfblack | and a coke |
| 04:28.32 | andrewfblack | ok I made out better I got a sheeva plug but hey its still in the box lol |
| 04:28.42 | GAN900 | Oops |
| 04:28.55 | GAN900 | Need to set yourself up something stupid |
| 04:29.02 | johnx | not so impressed with the sheeva/guru-plug |
| 04:29.05 | GAN900 | Like a frontdoor monitor. |
| 04:29.22 | GAN900 | Should be cheaper for that hardware |
| 04:29.29 | andrewfblack | lol I know just no time to play with it |
| 04:29.45 | andrewfblack | johnx: I'm not either but I won mine in a fixed contest I'm I didn't complain |
| 04:29.47 | johnx | GAN900, the guru-plug basically can't even run without cooling modifications |
| 04:29.47 | GAN900 | An Arduino is most suitable for many of its applications, unfortunately. |
| 04:29.58 | GAN900 | johnx, oh? |
| 04:30.20 | johnx | yeah. had an order in, surfed the forums, most were essentially DoA |
| 04:30.41 | johnx | so I canceled and got a really nice Q-nap with great debian support |
| 04:30.57 | johnx | similar CPU, more expensive. totally worth it |
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| 04:33.26 | andrewfblack | GAN900: I have been considering starting a Panhandle, Southeast Alabama, Soutwest Georgia Meego Local Network that is if I can get off my butt and really get into things again. |
| 04:33.56 | GAN900 | Not much concentration out there. |
| 04:34.13 | GAN900 | Might be more rewarding once things start shipping. |
| 04:34.28 | andrewfblack | GAN900: yeah that is what I'm thinking which is why I havn't moved on it yet |
| 04:35.54 | andrewfblack | Has anyone considered that after Meego Launches and maemo starts to shrink its going to be hard to find 10 people to vote for application updates? |
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| 04:37.48 | ShadowJK | The visibility and discoverability of that voting thing is nonexistant too |
| 04:39.17 | ShadowJK | plus the vote buttons don't work on my computer unless I edit the URL :-) |
| 04:42.56 | johnx | andrewfblack, did you get enough votes to get in extras yet? |
| 04:43.51 | andrewfblack | still need 3 more since someone down voted it with no comments http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-org/2.0.1-9/ |
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| 04:46.59 | johnx | looks like you only need 2 more :) |
| 04:47.35 | andrewfblack | thats all I need now :) |
| 04:48.43 | andrewfblack | maybe one day I will learn the right way to package my themes instead of the crazy way I do it |
| 04:49.09 | johnx | heh. well, you can learn it for meego |
| 04:49.50 | andrewfblack | lol maybe |
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| 05:39.37 | Gorroth | i have to say i really like the ubuntu theme on the n900 |
| 05:39.44 | Gorroth | it makes it look a lot more modern, IMO |
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| 06:08.20 | andrewfblack | Only need 1 more vote on my theme http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-org/2.0.1-9/ |
| 06:09.10 | |njsf| | andrewfblack i'll test it |
| 06:09.20 | andrewfblack | |njsf|: thanks |
| 06:10.14 | |njsf| | last few times I noticed though that the alarm repeat days and time of disabled entries were just numbers |
| 06:10.45 | andrewfblack | |njsf|: yeah its a known problem with themes. There is a fix for it I'm going to try on my next version |
| 06:11.34 | andrewfblack | It seems that the alarm has trouble with some font colors. |
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| 06:11.40 | |njsf| | ok I'll install it knowing that is not there yet and no snafus happening will vote it up |
| 06:12.17 | |njsf| | the an-droid theme and black plastic got it right |
| 06:12.24 | |njsf| | most others not |
| 06:13.04 | andrewfblack | ok, yeah I talked to d-iivil that bug has been around since start of maemo5 and fix was just recently found |
| 06:13.09 | |njsf| | and I use alarm enough to annoy me and uninstall themes who fail that part |
| 06:13.36 | andrewfblack | funny thing is I use white for that color but they say the color of the font is the problem |
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| 06:18.58 | |njsf| | there you seem to have 11 now |
| 06:19.09 | andrewfblack | thanks |
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| 06:19.45 | andrewfblack | well I got 11 up and 1 down so it equals 10 thanks |
| 06:20.03 | andrewfblack | now I just have to wait 4 more days lol |
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| 06:20.48 | Gorroth | what happens when you vote for it |
| 06:21.27 | Gorroth | building an ettercap maemo package now :) i've already got squid and libnet in extras-devel now |
| 06:21.49 | Gorroth | once i test that the build packages up nicely here, i'll ship it off to drop.maemo.org for inclusion to extras-devel :) |
| 06:22.01 | Gorroth | btw, squid has transparent proxy support and ssl bump in it |
| 06:22.32 | |njsf| | Gorroth voting is to promote package from extras testing to extra |
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| 06:23.06 | |njsf| | you developer commit to extras dev which may have unstable packages |
| 06:23.20 | Gorroth | okay |
| 06:23.32 | |njsf| | you developer promote to extras testing once you feel it is stable |
| 06:23.34 | Gorroth | now, when you get promoted, is a maintainer assigned to the package like they do in debian or ubuntu? |
| 06:23.38 | Gorroth | or do you stay on as maintainer? |
| 06:24.13 | andrewfblack | you stay maintainer |
| 06:25.43 | Gorroth | ok |
| 06:25.47 | Gorroth | just submitted ettercap |
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| 06:25.59 | Gorroth | we'll see if the autobuilder can build it; it's possible i forgot a dep or something |
| 06:26.29 | Gorroth | and then i can finally get to testing squid and ettercap this week :) along with wireless AP abilities >:) |
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| 06:27.46 | Gorroth | damn it; the build failed |
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| 06:29.59 | slonopotamus | yawns |
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| 06:30.37 | Gorroth | why are you yawning, sir? |
| 06:30.50 | slonopotamus | 9:30am |
| 06:32.06 | Gorroth | oh yeah |
| 06:34.51 | andrewfblack | I found a couple of colors that fix the bug but I can't find one I like |
| 06:36.07 | Gorroth | woooooo!! ettercap finished building for armel and i386 on maemo's autobuilder |
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| 06:38.47 | slonopotamus | tries to stop reading it as 'utter crap' :P |
| 06:38.53 | Gorroth | haha |
| 06:38.58 | Gorroth | it is far from that :) |
| 06:39.20 | Gorroth | just waiting for it to hit extras-devel |
| 06:39.57 | Gorroth | honestly not sure why it's taking so long |
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| 06:45.23 | andrewfblack | I didn't know my phone could get a STD I guess we don't need virus protection for phones. http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372409,00.asp |
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| 06:48.38 | Gorroth | ettercap-ng is now up on extras-devel |
| 06:48.51 | Gorroth | have fun h4x1ng! |
| 06:49.09 | Gorroth | now i just need to build some sort of GUI that makes this whole thing easy to use |
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| 06:59.07 | Gorroth | andrewfblack: well, i recently learned about digital glory holes scattered across NYC |
| 06:59.17 | Gorroth | and i'm going to hook my N900 up to one this weekend if my USB dongles arrive |
| 06:59.31 | Gorroth | http://deaddrops.com/ -- digital glory holes |
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| 07:24.20 | lolloo | hellooo0oo guys |
| 07:24.30 | lolloo | need your help please |
| 07:24.42 | lolloo | I updated power kernel just now |
| 07:24.58 | lolloo | but now I cant use multiboot menu |
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| 07:25.20 | lolloo | when I choose power kernel its says not availible |
| 07:25.26 | lolloo | what shall I do? |
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| 07:25.48 | lolloo | need you help guys |
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| 07:26.12 | lolloo | I cant boot to power kernel anymore after the update |
| 07:26.28 | lolloo | I updated power kernel just now |
| 07:26.52 | lolloo | maybe I need to edit the multiboot file using leaf pad |
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| 07:27.08 | lolloo | but can someone please show me where I can find it |
| 07:27.25 | lolloo | where I can find the file for multiboot items |
| 07:28.53 | lolloo | guys where can I find multiboot items files so I can edit it |
| 07:29.00 | lolloo | for the new power kernel |
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| 07:45.36 | crashanddie_ | lolloo, we're not the power kernel support channel, frankly |
| 07:45.52 | crashanddie_ | lolloo, would suggest you ask on tmo, or contact the power kernel maintainer/developers directly. |
| 07:46.04 | lolloo | oh |
| 07:46.16 | lolloo | alright, thanks |
| 07:46.28 | crashanddie_ | that being said |
| 07:46.33 | crashanddie_ | ask MohammadAG first :P |
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| 07:52.00 | RobbieThe1st | Hi all |
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| 08:02.06 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... Resizing the optfs/MyDocs partitions would be so much easier with parted... I wonder if the debian ARM packages would work.. |
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| 08:05.14 | jave | is it possible to save waypoints in the map aplications? for instance, to find my way back to a particular place. |
| 08:05.42 | andax | whoever did it, thanks for adding poppler-utils to repos, after all :-) |
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| 08:10.35 | crashanddie_ | why the hell do I always get 15 mod points? |
| 08:10.38 | crashanddie_ | (on slashdot) |
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| 08:12.53 | chibi-taiga | guys |
| 08:13.14 | chibi-taiga | i have a problem, my radio stopped worlking |
| 08:13.56 | chibi-taiga | it says "cantload fm radio driver module" |
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| 08:14.50 | chibi-taiga | what can i do about it |
| 08:15.52 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: have you tried rebooting? |
| 08:16.34 | chibi-taiga | yes it worked yesterday , i use radio everyday and now it stopped working |
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| 08:17.20 | jacekowski | that wasn't the question |
| 08:17.24 | jacekowski | have you rebooted your phone? |
| 08:17.33 | zeltak | morning..anyone know of a prog to record phone calls for the n900? |
| 08:17.34 | chibi-taiga | yes |
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| 08:18.54 | chibi-taiga | there is one for record phone calls |
| 08:19.01 | chibi-taiga | i use it |
| 08:19.33 | chibi-taiga | search for recaller |
| 08:19.54 | zeltak | thx chibi-taiga |
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| 08:20.59 | crashanddie_ | note that in some countries it's illegal to record phone conversations without the other person's consent/knowing. |
| 08:21.23 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: in most countries you can record it and then ask for consent to store it |
| 08:21.36 | chibi-taiga | well here at the netherlands these kinds of things arnt lilligal |
| 08:21.51 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: so you can record conversation that's unaffected by person knowing that it's recorded |
| 08:21.51 | RobbieThe1st | In the USA, even, it varies by state. |
| 08:21.55 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: it is |
| 08:22.08 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: you have to let other person know at some point that it's recorded |
| 08:22.08 | chibi-taiga | no since they all do it |
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| 08:22.19 | zeltak | heheh thx for thre legal advice but my attorney actually requested i record the call :) |
| 08:22.41 | chibi-taiga | anyways about my radio module |
| 08:22.43 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: and have you noticed that at start of every phone call to some more official place it says "this call may be recorded/monitored/something" |
| 08:22.50 | jacekowski | zeltak: attorney? |
| 08:22.52 | chibi-taiga | can it be fixed? |
| 08:22.56 | jacekowski | zeltak: where are you calling |
| 08:23.03 | zeltak | israel |
| 08:23.07 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: answer my question |
| 08:23.14 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: have you restarted your phone |
| 08:23.19 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: remove battery |
| 08:23.22 | jacekowski | chibi-taiga: and start it again |
| 08:23.31 | zeltak | i live in the us but an visiting now in israek |
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| 08:23.34 | crashanddie_ | chibi-taiga, only as long as you don't distribute the recording |
| 08:23.37 | zeltak | *israel |
| 08:23.44 | zeltak | anyway thx for the info |
| 08:23.50 | andax | . o O ( in some countries, the brain counts as data storage and in some not ) |
| 08:23.54 | chibi-taiga | uhm kay ill try |
| 08:24.03 | chibi-taiga | in a few mins |
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| 08:25.21 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, same in the UK, only legal if you don't share the recording with a 3rd party |
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| 08:29.03 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think you're allowed to in Germany at all... |
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| 08:29.41 | CutMeOwnThroat | and it won't be able to be used in courts and such |
| 08:30.42 | CutMeOwnThroat | would be fun to prepend a "this call can be monitored for quality assurance, if you disagree with this policy, hang up now" to your calls with an automated voice :) |
| 08:31.12 | CutMeOwnThroat | damn companies are doing it to you why shouldn't you be allowed to do everyone else in reverse |
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| 08:31.26 | nidO | you can, nothing stopping you |
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| 08:31.51 | CutMeOwnThroat | although it might be a bit weird if it's you calling someone |
| 08:32.22 | nidO | well, if you're calling someone that has that message their end, you dont need to give it to them |
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| 08:33.13 | CutMeOwnThroat | I don't think that they tell you they're recording automatically gives you the right to record as well |
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| 08:34.38 | nidO | well in the uk it does - all companies here very specifically word their messages as "this call may be recorded" rather than "we may record this call" as the former gives permission both ways, which allows either party to share the recording |
| 08:36.01 | CutMeOwnThroat | hm, that wording sounds familiar, I never thought of it that way |
| 08:36.39 | CutMeOwnThroat | I thought it just means this message may or may not be recorded, as they might only be recording selected ones? |
| 08:37.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | not so sure about German law... you might not even be allowed to record calls with that warning |
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| 08:43.18 | johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, "might be a bit weird if it's you calling someone" Haven't you gotten one of those emails with the massive signatures about how the information included above is confidential and you're obligated to destroy it if the sender accidentally sent it the wrong person? |
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| 08:53.11 | achipa | X-Fade: ping |
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| 08:58.47 | timeless_webchat | cries |
| 08:59.42 | johnx | gives timeless_webchat a cookie |
| 09:00.07 | timeless_webchat | johnx: i don't suppose you know of a way to set up per connection proxies on os x? |
| 09:00.33 | johnx | can you react to connection events? |
| 09:00.40 | johnx | I mean, adium does |
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| 09:01.07 | johnx | why not just bring the proxy up when a connection comes up that matches a certain string |
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| 09:03.54 | timeless_webchat | you want me to write a program to do something my n900 can do? |
| 09:03.56 | timeless_webchat | oh gosh |
| 09:04.15 | johnx | sorry, I should have said: d-bus owns. mac os fails :D |
| 09:04.17 | timeless_webchat | i was typing, and microsoft's autoupdate had launched installer.app for a critical update |
| 09:04.26 | timeless_webchat | and the dialog came up while i was typing |
| 09:04.34 | timeless_webchat | so my <space> key went to the app instead of this window |
| 09:04.36 | X-Fade | achipa: pong |
| 09:04.46 | timeless_webchat | thanks apple for sucking |
| 09:04.59 | johnx | the mistake you made was letting that auto-updater thing on your machine in the first place |
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| 09:05.07 | andax | "this call may be recorded" is also heard at some company phone calls, at isp and mobile providers in particular. i believe it is practized the same in germany |
| 09:05.13 | timeless_webchat | johnx: not very automatic |
| 09:05.17 | timeless_webchat | i had to manually open it from help>check for updates |
| 09:05.31 | andax | +is also heard here in switzerland |
| 09:05.31 | johnx | aaah, ok. the *other* updater thing |
| 09:05.50 | timeless_webchat | oddly, i opened it from word 2008 |
| 09:05.59 | timeless_webchat | and i believe it's offering me an office 2011 update |
| 09:06.25 | johnx | it'll probably delete 2008 and install a trial of 2011 |
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| 09:08.02 | timeless_webchat | i have both installed |
| 09:08.09 | chibi-taiga | well it didnt work |
| 09:08.15 | timeless_webchat | timeless-mbp:TemporaryItems timeless$ du -sh . |
| 09:08.20 | timeless_webchat | 2.5G. |
| 09:08.24 | timeless_webchat | feels great |
| 09:08.37 | chibi-taiga | so any other options to fux radio? |
| 09:08.44 | chibi-taiga | fix |
| 09:08.48 | timeless_webchat | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/845659 |
| 09:09.01 | timeless_webchat | and if i'm not mistaken, it has *multiple* copies of the same stupid updater |
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| 09:09.48 | timeless_webchat | chibi-taiga: do i want to know what you did to your radio? |
| 09:10.00 | chibi-taiga | nothing |
| 09:10.18 | chibi-taiga | it says "error cant load radio module" |
| 09:10.22 | johnx | chibi-taiga, run dmesg, paste output to pasite.org |
| 09:10.28 | timeless_webchat | it doesn't say that |
| 09:10.34 | timeless_webchat | because "cant" isn't a word |
| 09:10.38 | chibi-taiga | dmseg? |
| 09:10.48 | chibi-taiga | can't |
| 09:10.49 | johnx | in a terminal |
| 09:10.51 | timeless_webchat | dmesg != dmseg |
| 09:10.58 | johnx | uhm, hmm |
| 09:11.03 | chibi-taiga | how dol i do that? |
| 09:11.07 | timeless_webchat | transposing characters or randomly omitting them aren't good ideas |
| 09:11.36 | johnx | timeless_webchat, you left out the period at the end. |
| 09:11.46 | chibi-taiga | so i just have to type dmseg? |
| 09:11.53 | timeless_webchat | johnx: I'm not using sentence capitalization. |
| 09:12.17 | johnx | chibi-taiga, yeah, then copy the last screen or so of lines and put them on pastie.org |
| 09:12.22 | chibi-taiga | kk |
| 09:12.55 | chibi-taiga | so what part? |
| 09:12.56 | johnx | actually, it'd be best if you caused the 'can't load radio module' error again, then ran dmesg |
| 09:13.00 | chibi-taiga | its quite alist |
| 09:13.09 | timeless_webchat | http://pastebin.mozilla.org/845665 |
| 09:13.12 | timeless_webchat | kicks someone |
| 09:13.12 | johnx | chibi-taiga, all of it would be nice. paste it to pastie.org |
| 09:13.15 | timeless_webchat | that's just evil |
| 09:13.26 | chibi-taiga | eh cant it log it? |
| 09:13.47 | timeless_webchat | dmesg > ~/MyDocs/dmesg.txt |
| 09:13.51 | chibi-taiga | kk |
| 09:14.00 | crashanddie_ | timeless, rm -rf -- *mpkg |
| 09:14.12 | timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: yeah yeah |
| 09:14.17 | timeless_webchat | already donee |
| 09:14.21 | crashanddie_ | k :) |
| 09:14.38 | tybollt | chibi-taiga: ye my friend is complaining ALOT about the radio shitz :S |
| 09:14.49 | tybollt | chibi-taiga: it is known br0cken then? |
| 09:15.04 | johnx | crashanddie, aaaah, I was going to try and get him to create some insane bash pipeline to do it |
| 09:15.10 | chibi-taiga | gimme a sec trying to save it as log |
| 09:17.16 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, yeah... the existance of those emails doesn't invalidate _anything_ what I said about weird... |
| 09:17.50 | johnx | CutMeOwnThroat, just that you'd be in good company :) |
| 09:18.14 | CutMeOwnThroat | johnx, for a certain value of "good" |
| 09:18.25 | johnx | heh |
| 09:18.46 | chibi-taiga | how can i save it on ms? |
| 09:18.48 | X-Fade | achipa: 4.7.5-maemo1, right? :) |
| 09:18.58 | chibi-taiga | it cant creat the txt |
| 09:19.21 | johnx | chibi-taiga, what? |
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| 09:23.20 | chibi-taiga | img600.imageshack.us/img600/6269/screenshot2010111010222.png |
| 09:23.30 | chibi-taiga | if i try to creat a txt |
| 09:24.12 | crashanddie_ | johnx, for i in `find . -name *mpkg`; do rm -rf $i; done? |
| 09:24.32 | johnx | crashanddie, I think that will show the same error though |
| 09:24.50 | crashanddie_ | that's the whole point :D |
| 09:24.59 | johnx | chibi-taiga, type it exactly as he did: dmesg > ~/MyDocs/dmesg.txt |
| 09:25.04 | johnx | there is no space between ~ and / |
| 09:25.10 | chibi-taiga | oh |
| 09:25.15 | chibi-taiga | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:26.00 | timeless_webchat | would rm -rf "$i" in that case have worked? |
| 09:26.01 | chibi-taiga | where can i upload txt? |
| 09:26.15 | johnx | chibi-taiga, pastie.org |
| 09:26.27 | crashanddie_ | timeless, nope |
| 09:26.36 | timeless_webchat | open it in notes/browse and copy it |
| 09:26.41 | timeless_webchat | then paste it into pastie.org |
| 09:26.49 | timeless_webchat | s/browse/browser/ |
| 09:26.55 | crashanddie_ | timeless, to check, do a touch "-foo" |
| 09:27.05 | crashanddie_ | should yell that option o is invalid |
| 09:27.24 | timeless_webchat | "'$i'" ? :) |
| 09:27.40 | timeless_webchat | hates unix command parsing |
| 09:27.57 | timeless_webchat | the windows approach is safer :) |
| 09:27.59 | johnx | timeless_webchat, fine. we're sending you back to DOS |
| 09:28.08 | crashanddie_ | timeless, well, no, that would try to delete '$i' |
| 09:28.10 | crashanddie_ | not $i |
| 09:28.21 | timeless_webchat | for /f "usebackq" ... |
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| 09:28.34 | crashanddie_ | touch "'-foo'" > results in file '-foo' |
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| 09:29.04 | timeless_webchat | anyone here get email from delivery.net? |
| 09:29.12 | timeless_webchat | i'm trying to figure out how evil they are |
| 09:29.30 | crashanddie_ | pretty evil |
| 09:29.37 | timeless_webchat | http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/delivery.net |
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| 09:29.41 | crashanddie_ | second google hit for delivery.net is a mcafee advisor website |
| 09:29.42 | timeless_webchat | seems to mark them as evil |
| 09:29.55 | timeless_webchat | the mcafee site isn't very negative on them sadly |
| 09:30.09 | chibi-taiga | johnx http://pastie.org/1286610 |
| 09:30.12 | timeless_webchat | it basically says "we scanned and found nothing wrong, they're innocent" |
| 09:30.18 | timeless_webchat | the comments say "they're evil" |
| 09:30.23 | timeless_webchat | but that's "below the fold" |
| 09:30.37 | sivang | meh, stupid web jouranlist bashing symbian |
| 09:30.42 | johnx | timeless_webchat, the fact that it's hit #2 probably means that everyone is trying to figure out if they're evil |
| 09:30.49 | sivang | but I think he took it from arstechnica |
| 09:30.54 | sivang | tries to find the original article |
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| 09:31.23 | sivang | hey timeless_webchat , what's dlivery.net? a parcel service? |
| 09:31.37 | timeless_webchat | sivang: a spam delivery service :) |
| 09:32.07 | timeless_webchat | seems to offer various major retail providers |
| 09:32.20 | timeless_webchat | try google: inurl:delivery.net |
| 09:33.06 | johnx | chibi-taiga, are you on PR1.3? are you using a custom kernel (kernel-power) and/or overclocking? Did you install the fm radio app before upgrading to PR1.3? |
| 09:33.09 | sivang | timeless_webchat: heh |
| 09:33.14 | sivang | timeless_webchat: sounded like so |
| 09:33.26 | chibi-taiga | no overclocking |
| 09:33.44 | chibi-taiga | like i said yesterday it worked fine |
| 09:33.55 | chibi-taiga | and today it doesnt |
| 09:34.11 | chibi-taiga | and yes i kave a linux kernal installed |
| 09:34.49 | crashanddie_ | hah |
| 09:35.00 | chibi-taiga | update well i think a week ago i did that and i reinstalled everything i had on it |
| 09:35.02 | crashanddie_ | after 3 days trying to find why a song by the lostprophets sounded so familiar, I found the song it reminded me of |
| 09:36.04 | johnx | chibi-taiga, did you reboot between yesterday and today? take any app updates? install anything new? drop your phone on the ground and stomp on it? |
| 09:36.32 | timeless_webchat | crashanddie_: ... and? |
| 09:36.55 | crashanddie_ | timeless_webchat, nothing, just that. My inner OCD-abiding part is put to rest. |
| 09:36.57 | chibi-taiga | humm i did install something 2 days ago the h-e-n |
| 09:37.07 | chibi-taiga | but it failed |
| 09:37.19 | chibi-taiga | li e most applications |
| 09:37.22 | timeless_webchat | what was the song? |
| 09:37.22 | chibi-taiga | like |
| 09:37.49 | crashanddie_ | timeless, the chorus, part where they sing "We're holding on, we're holding on" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNRNeKqQqA |
| 09:37.55 | johnx | "but it failed like most applications": expand on that a bit |
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| 09:38.15 | chibi-taiga | well after upgrade os |
| 09:38.19 | crashanddie_ | timeless, sounds exactly the same as The Von Bondies C'mon C'mon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGo5cqcxP4 |
| 09:38.26 | chibi-taiga | all applications are gone right? |
| 09:38.34 | chibi-taiga | so i reinstalled them |
| 09:38.35 | sivang | overclocking looks scary |
| 09:38.41 | sivang | judging by the document |
| 09:38.46 | chibi-taiga | and some failed |
| 09:39.30 | chibi-taiga | most likely bcuz the files/apps already existed but aint in the hkey like in windows |
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| 09:39.59 | chibi-taiga | but i dont know how to wipe tha application memory |
| 09:40.28 | johnx | when you say you updated the OS, did you reflash or use the OTA update? |
| 09:40.41 | chibi-taiga | i used nsu3 |
| 09:40.46 | chibi-taiga | thats all i did |
| 09:41.16 | johnx | have you tried rebooting since your radio stopped working? |
| 09:41.35 | chibi-taiga | yes and remove battery as surguested |
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| 09:42.12 | Termana | Hold on a second |
| 09:42.17 | Termana | You didn't say what I think you just said |
| 09:42.38 | Termana | The HKEY like in Windows? As in... the Windows Registry? |
| 09:42.43 | Termana | HA :p |
| 09:42.45 | chibi-taiga | yeah |
| 09:42.59 | Termana | chibi-taiga, there's no such thing on Linux |
| 09:43.01 | nidO | nix systems dont work anything like that |
| 09:43.05 | chibi-taiga | apps arnt registered yet they are in the memory |
| 09:43.09 | chibi-taiga | oh |
| 09:43.09 | johnx | chibi-taiga, try this in google: "error can not load fm radio driver module" site:talk.maemo.org |
| 09:43.37 | chibi-taiga | ok |
| 09:44.39 | sivang | compare http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/11/symbian-foundation-scaling-down-as-nokia-takes-charge.ars (seems to be the original) with - http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3981858,00.html , note the surreal image. |
| 09:45.00 | timeless_webchat | Termana: well |
| 09:45.08 | Termana | timeless_webchat, |
| 09:45.09 | timeless_webchat | if you treat gconf and the file system as equivalent to hkey |
| 09:45.12 | Termana | wait |
| 09:45.12 | Termana | don't say gconf |
| 09:45.20 | Termana | pre-emptive strike |
| 09:45.21 | timeless_webchat | then his analogy isn't terrible |
| 09:45.22 | Termana | :p |
| 09:45.24 | timeless_webchat | it ain't wonderful |
| 09:45.31 | timeless_webchat | but it ain't terrible |
| 09:45.35 | timeless_webchat | isn't sure how stupid nsu is |
| 09:45.41 | timeless_webchat | hasn't used it w/ an n900 |
| 09:45.50 | timeless_webchat | or at least, not in 3+months |
| 09:46.11 | chibi-taiga | i installed that h-e-n so could it be that? |
| 09:46.23 | johnx | timeless_webchat, I get the feeling that it's a known, solved problem with the way radio app looks for kernel modules |
| 09:46.39 | johnx | that's why I suggested that specific google search ;) |
| 09:46.59 | chibi-taiga | so if i uninstall that its fixed? |
| 09:47.31 | chibi-taiga | it failed on install though yet its there |
| 09:48.03 | johnx | huh? when you go to install it, it fails? |
| 09:48.30 | achipa | X-Fade: no, actually not that one :) libmeegotouch :) |
| 09:48.34 | chibi-taiga | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:48.49 | timeless_webchat | what the heck is h-e-n? |
| 09:48.57 | sivang | my question as well |
| 09:48.57 | chibi-taiga | like i said it fails on install on some apps |
| 09:49.24 | johnx | timeless_webchat, also: find ./ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm |
| 09:49.25 | Termana | sivang, A lot of us here probably don't read/write the other language on the second page you linked to, so it's hard for us to compare :p |
| 09:49.41 | timeless_webchat | johnx: -maxdepth 1 ? |
| 09:49.46 | chibi-taiga | maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hostmode-gui/0.2-2/ |
| 09:49.48 | chibi-taiga | hen |
| 09:49.58 | johnx | timeless_webchat, damn. you caught the trap *shakes fist* |
| 09:50.20 | timeless_webchat | trap? |
| 09:50.23 | achipa | X-Fade: kill all versions of it in extras-* free |
| 09:50.43 | johnx | chibi-taiga, ah, and you're using the -devel repository. great :P |
| 09:50.44 | achipa | (note free, that's the important part :) ) |
| 09:50.57 | X-Fade | achipa: Of 4.7.5* or everything? |
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| 09:51.23 | chibi-taiga | i guess yes |
| 09:51.32 | chibi-taiga | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:51.55 | johnx | that's not a very good idea. often packages in -devel are broken. otherwise they'd be in testing |
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| 09:52.24 | johnx | I'd try to uninstall the radio app and reinstall it from extras or extras-testing if it's there |
| 09:52.29 | timeless_webchat | users are funny |
| 09:52.29 | chibi-taiga | ahh i see |
| 09:52.43 | RobbieThe1st | Basically: If you use extras-devel, you are giving up any right to complain when things break. |
| 09:52.55 | johnx | otherwise, you'll need to look at the thread you found in that google search, and try and figure out what solution people already came to, to solve it |
| 09:53.01 | chibi-taiga | i use this fater application installer |
| 09:53.32 | Termana | faster* |
| 09:53.35 | Termana | fapman |
| 09:53.54 | sivang | Termana: I've been trying to find the english version of this pinhead's article, to no avail |
| 09:53.57 | crashanddie_ | I still believe that project has to be renamed |
| 09:54.01 | sivang | Termana: the image for me was too much- |
| 09:54.18 | chibi-taiga | yes faster |
| 09:54.36 | sivang | Termana: someone is going too far to note how "bad" symbian is, and I just found another article by the same dude, praising the N8, but giving it a low mark for the price |
| 09:54.46 | chibi-taiga | so i have to diable that devel? |
| 09:55.08 | RobbieThe1st | crosses fingers and hopes that the maemo scratchbox installs/compiles properly on my x86_64 system, and that he doesn't have to try to kludge something together from the version in apt. |
| 09:55.29 | nidO | "for the price"? The economics of an n8 are about the last thing he can complain about, its crazily cheap compared to practically anything else comparable |
| 09:55.52 | chibi-taiga | ok so i uninstall hen |
| 09:55.59 | sivang | Termana: he goes to great length using terrible death descriptions which is uncalled for in such a "technical" article. |
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| 09:56.50 | timeless_webchat | RobbieThe1st:good luck w/ that |
| 09:56.56 | RobbieThe1st | chibi-taiga: Note that "h-e-n" is experimental hostmode support, and uses it's own kernel, which means you may have to reinstall the default kernel to completely remove it |
| 09:57.30 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:57.33 | johnx | timeless_webchat, also, does that "network location" thing help with keeping proxy settings from being "on for everything"? |
| 09:57.45 | RobbieThe1st | I'm just hoping the ia32-compatibility libs allow it to work, and/or it ends up compiling. |
| 09:57.53 | timeless_webchat | johnx: the thing w/ automatic? |
| 09:57.59 | timeless_webchat | it's only for your network order |
| 09:58.04 | timeless_webchat | wifi/en/firewire/usb |
| 09:58.07 | timeless_webchat | it's totally useless |
| 09:58.13 | timeless_webchat | kicks apple for misplacing the widget |
| 09:58.20 | timeless_webchat | i.e. no! |
| 09:58.40 | johnx | timeless_webchat, also, can be used to disable interfaces. it seems. (didn't realize that order was anything but cosmetic, I must admit ...) |
| 09:58.46 | sivang | morning Jaffa |
| 09:59.09 | timeless_webchat | yeah, it isn't totally cosmetic or totally useless |
| 09:59.11 | timeless_webchat | it's just misplaced |
| 09:59.14 | timeless_webchat | and terribly confusing |
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| 09:59.30 | timeless_webchat | because it's perfectly logical for a certain location's ethernet to need a different proxy |
| 09:59.56 | timeless_webchat | but totally not supported |
| 10:02.07 | johnx | chibi-taiga, so yeah, since hen uses its own kernel and doesn't include the driver to make your radio work, you probably need to switch back to the default kernel or reflash. that's the kind of thing that happens when you use extras-devel. if you follow this thread, starting with the guy having trouble with the radio, you might be able to figure it out, but you're pretty much on your own I think (this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/printth |
| 10:02.07 | johnx | read.php?t=39753&pp=10&page=233 ) |
| 10:03.08 | timeless_webchat | ... this is what you get if you make it too easy for users to change their foundation |
| 10:03.22 | timeless_webchat | w/o ensuring they understand what's involved in doing so |
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| 10:03.44 | tybollt | what's the deal w/ the radio app? |
| 10:03.46 | johnx | timeless_webchat, and if you make it too hard, everyone has to live with a crappy network selector :> |
| 10:03.56 | johnx | tybollt, hardcoded path to module |
| 10:04.01 | timeless_webchat | tybollt: if you install a third party kernel |
| 10:04.05 | timeless_webchat | things don't work perfectly |
| 10:04.16 | timeless_webchat | and people complain that random other things are broken |
| 10:04.27 | johnx | then, a kernel version mismatch with the radio_ module it looks like |
| 10:05.00 | timeless_webchat | johnx: to be fair, someone could provide a third party gui for my problem |
| 10:05.17 | timeless_webchat | as someone noted it should be possible to listen to notifications |
| 10:05.23 | timeless_webchat | it wouldn't require screwing w/ kernels |
| 10:05.25 | johnx | timeless_webchat, and that would work just about as well as all low-level 3rd party hacks to OSX :P |
| 10:05.34 | timeless_webchat | johnx: um |
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| 10:05.45 | timeless_webchat | i'm using ZFS, which panic'd 5 times yesterday and once the day before |
| 10:06.10 | timeless_webchat | i don't really blame apple for that |
| 10:06.22 | timeless_webchat | except to the extent that i think the hard disk drive i was using the first time failed |
| 10:06.28 | timeless_webchat | and i suspect this replacement is failing |
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| 10:08.37 | RobbieThe1st | timeless_webchat: On your imac? |
| 10:08.45 | timeless_webchat | mbp |
| 10:08.48 | timeless_webchat | doesn't have an imac |
| 10:08.52 | timeless_webchat | only a g5 and an mbp |
| 10:08.55 | mece | hey anyone here using Nokia Qt SDK? |
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| 10:09.41 | timeless_webchat | i'm using webchat because my irc clients are flaky memory hogs |
| 10:09.47 | RobbieThe1st | Does that have a normal sata laptop drive or an odd one? I know in my mom's imac, I just stuck a (bigger) WD sata drive in it and doubled the space. |
| 10:10.12 | timeless_webchat | and they log data to disk, which is dangerous when your disk is causing panics |
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| 10:10.42 | timeless_webchat | fairly normal |
| 10:10.52 | MohammadAG51 | mece, a lot of us probably |
| 10:10.55 | MohammadAG51 | at least i do |
| 10:11.01 | timeless_webchat | i replaced the original w/ a larger one when the original failed |
| 10:13.11 | mece | MohammadAG51, I'm kinda struggling on getting the latest qt in there. |
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| 10:15.31 | MohammadAG51 | mece, it keeps saying update available for me, even when i update |
| 10:15.58 | mece | MohammadAG51, hmm mine never finds any updates. want qt 4.7.1 and qt mobility 1.1 |
| 10:16.22 | mece | I think I have to compile them manually though. |
| 10:16.59 | mece | problem is I don't know how to do anything on this pos old windows xp machine |
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| 10:18.01 | asj_ | mece: mobility 1.1.0 came out last night, a little patience? |
| 10:18.38 | jarkkom | is there n900 package too? betas were only for Symbian |
| 10:18.44 | mece | asj_, well I would have settled with beta, but couldn't get that fixed either. I need it for work |
| 10:18.48 | chibi-taiga | sorry got dced |
| 10:18.53 | chibi-taiga | anyways |
| 10:18.55 | mece | jarkkom, I don't think it's there yet. |
| 10:19.05 | chibi-taiga | i need to uninstall hen rite? |
| 10:19.21 | johnx | >_< |
| 10:19.36 | johnx | chibi-taiga, take a look at the log, please |
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| 10:23.25 | achipa | X-Fade: bonus question - can we add sources to stuff in non-free (yes, weird question, I know) |
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| 10:24.17 | MohammadAG51 | achipa, can't be compiled in autobuilder? :P |
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| 10:24.28 | X-Fade | achipa: What are you doing in non-free? I feel a recipe for disaster coming up? |
| 10:24.54 | timeless_webchat | chuckles |
| 10:25.00 | timeless_webchat | remembers mozilla and non-free |
| 10:25.15 | RobbieThe1st | What happened? |
| 10:25.27 | MohammadAG51 | on that note, is fennec FOSS? |
| 10:25.34 | achipa | X-Fade: heh - I fully agree, I just don't know where to put the sources until upstream fixes stuff so it could actually pass through the autobuilder |
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| 10:25.38 | timeless_webchat | RobbieThe1st: not sure actually |
| 10:25.42 | achipa | (I put my money on never) |
| 10:25.49 | timeless_webchat | basically mozilla wanted to do their own builds using their own build infra |
| 10:25.55 | timeless_webchat | and post binaries + sources |
| 10:26.00 | X-Fade | achipa: Remember you can't mix free and non-free, it is either or. So never change back then. |
| 10:26.03 | timeless_webchat | the way free/ is managed, that isn't allowed |
| 10:26.29 | RobbieThe1st | Ah... Then I think that happened was they just have their own repo, and we users use that. |
| 10:26.29 | timeless_webchat | people objected to "non-free" |
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| 10:26.54 | timeless_webchat | yeah, i think in the end it was mostly settled by just having another repo |
| 10:26.56 | achipa | X-Fade: apparently there is some envvar munching going on that is 'difficult to do' in autobuilder (sounds weird, but I'll give the benefit of a doubt) |
| 10:26.58 | MohammadAG51 | or post to free without cleaning binaries, but that's bad :P |
| 10:27.00 | timeless_webchat | yay repo+++++++ |
| 10:27.20 | X-Fade | achipa: That sounds like a weak excuse. |
| 10:27.26 | X-Fade | achipa: Where is the build log? |
| 10:27.27 | MohammadAG51 | achipa, make: nothing to do, good enough of a hint? :P |
| 10:27.39 | achipa | the binary part of the stuff is already in non-free, for several months now :S |
| 10:27.39 | MohammadAG51 | for even |
| 10:28.14 | X-Fade | achipa: Well you can always submit sources to non-free. Just dput sources. |
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| 10:29.27 | RobbieThe1st | Hm, wouldn't it be possible to just upload your binary files as source files? If you can upload python files(which require no compiling)... |
| 10:29.28 | timeless_webchat | oh |
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| 10:29.36 | mece | X-Fade, wow, I never thought of that. pretty cool. |
| 10:29.40 | timeless_webchat | fennec is as free as minefield fwiw |
| 10:29.48 | timeless_webchat | branded fennec is as free as branded firefox |
| 10:29.55 | timeless_webchat | (branded fennec = Firefox for Mobile) |
| 10:32.04 | X-Fade | mece: But if the app really isn't non-free then something needs to be fixed, otherwise we would need to remove it from non-free. |
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| 10:39.31 | chibi-taiga | johnx what am i suppose to find in it? |
| 10:39.34 | mece | X-Fade, righty. |
| 10:39.43 | johnx | chibi-taiga, people with the same problem as you |
| 10:40.18 | johnx | (other people using a custom kernel who lost radio support) |
| 10:40.33 | johnx | but the quickest way to fix it is probably to reflash and don't install hen |
| 10:40.44 | johnx | anyways, off to bed for tonight. good luck |
| 10:41.04 | RobbieThe1st | Um... |
| 10:41.36 | RobbieThe1st | All you have to do is do "apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power kernel-power-flasher"... |
| 10:41.51 | RobbieThe1st | (for power kernel; not sure what's needed for the regular one) |
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| 10:42.30 | RST38h | moo all |
| 10:42.42 | RST38h | heya johnx, what brings you here in such a late hour? |
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| 10:43.12 | johnx | RST38h, just about to sleep. was working on meego/obs stuff for fun :) |
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| 10:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | hell, what? what got h-e-n to do with radio support? |
| 10:44.51 | RST38h | Doc: You are now responsible for the radio support. |
| 10:45.07 | RST38h | Doc: And for every N900 lemmings will brick while running h-e-n. |
| 10:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: thought as much :-/ |
| 10:45.52 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, radio support involves installing a kernel module ... |
| 10:46.32 | RST38h | Doc: Ask Mohammad and javispedro for details, they know all about it =) |
| 10:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder if h-e-n kernel could rdepend on PR1.3 stock, and we'd of course use the stock modules then |
| 10:49.16 | achipa | X-Fade: net dropped... did we haave any conclusion ? apart from 'dont do it' ? :) |
| 10:49.17 | RST38h | Right now you have to have your own kernel? |
| 10:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's basically no need for h-e-n kernel specific modules |
| 10:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: yep, as usb is monolitic, not a module |
| 10:49.56 | DocScrutinizer | :-( |
| 10:50.23 | RST38h | Doc: I would suggest a bit different solution |
| 10:50.34 | X-Fade | achipa: You can always upload sources to non-free. just dput including source, or source only. |
| 10:51.06 | X-Fade | achipa: But if this is for pyqt, I would warn against doing that. As that will create a big mess. |
| 10:51.14 | RST38h | Doc: Create a combined kernel that includes your usb stuff, overclock stuff (compiled in but turned off by default of course) and a few other useful fixes (android patches maybe?) |
| 10:51.19 | achipa | X-Fade: libmeegotouch |
| 10:51.32 | RST38h | Doc: Then cooperate with Mohammad to host it as part of his community SSU |
| 10:51.39 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's what MohammadAG51 created yesterday aiui |
| 10:51.42 | X-Fade | achipa: just let them dput including source next time. |
| 10:51.50 | RST38h | Doc: Of course, whatever patches you include there, they must be dormant by default |
| 10:51.55 | achipa | ok |
| 10:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: they are |
| 10:52.40 | RST38h | Doc: This feels like an even better solution, because every lemming installing it will be warned of a dangerous-non-maemo-org-repo-experimental-deadly-stuff-stay-away-you-dumbo |
| 10:52.44 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: moh created a power-kernel with hostmode yesterday (or 2 days ago?) |
| 10:52.45 | achipa | X-Fade: "Sources are not available from apt-get because dput does not support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS export." |
| 10:52.58 | achipa | X-Fade: does this make sense or do I need coffee ? |
| 10:53.01 | RST38h | Doc: There should really be a *single* custom kernel with all this stuff |
| 10:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | ack |
| 10:53.18 | RST38h | Doc: Otherwise, you have got a circus, as they are all mutually exclusive |
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| 10:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | unmanageable |
| 10:53.30 | RST38h | Can only have one kernel installed and booted at a time |
| 10:53.36 | X-Fade | achipa: *couch*bullshit*cough* |
| 10:54.04 | achipa | X-Fade: cough*thought so*cough |
| 10:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | we need ONE community kernel, which should be power-kernlel+ |
| 10:54.14 | X-Fade | achipa: Ask MohammadAG51 he uploads to the community repository including source too. |
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| 10:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: t-tan's v41 powerkernel has all the USB hostmode stuff, but commented for now afaik |
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| 10:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen t-tan |
| 10:57.45 | infobot | t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 151d 15h 16m 46s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. |
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| 10:58.36 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, adding hostmode is easy as piss, tell t-tan to reverse pr1.3's musb_core.c |
| 10:58.44 | MohammadAG51 | he only needs my patch in debian/patches |
| 10:58.56 | MohammadAG51 | sometimes i wish my laptop had WWoL :/ |
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| 10:59.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=868504#post868504 |
| 11:00.43 | MohammadAG51 | needs a netbook for school |
| 11:01.14 | MohammadAG51 | today was a complete waste of time, so I decided to skip the rest of the day |
| 11:01.39 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, go to starbucks, rob some chick off her netbook, run, profit. |
| 11:02.05 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie_, starbucks went bankrupt here in IL ages ago |
| 11:02.12 | MohammadAG51 | probably 7 years ago |
| 11:02.21 | crashanddie_ | see, too many robberies |
| 11:02.28 | crashanddie_ | poor starbucks |
| 11:02.33 | MohammadAG51 | heh, kosher/not kosher shit |
| 11:02.41 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, that's because of people like you |
| 11:02.42 | SwedeMike | when doing IPv6 only APN and NAT64 on the N900, it seems to keep asking for A DNS records even though it doesn't have any Ipv4 connectivity, and when it then can't access the A record (no route to host) it doesn't fall back to IPv6. Is there a knob I haven't turned? |
| 11:02.47 | MohammadAG51 | with all respect, i just call a lot of shit shit |
| 11:02.50 | MohammadAG51 | see? |
| 11:02.51 | crashanddie_ | I mean, stealing netbooks off the poor chick that just sits sipping her coffee |
| 11:03.01 | crashanddie_ | how dare you? |
| 11:03.14 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie_, were netbooks even popular around that time? |
| 11:03.28 | crashanddie_ | doesn't matter, you were still considering it now |
| 11:03.30 | crashanddie_ | you bastard |
| 11:03.40 | MohammadAG51 | sue me |
| 11:03.41 | crashanddie_ | truth be told, MohammadAG, based on what you eat, I guess your shit could be kosher |
| 11:03.57 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 11:04.35 | MohammadAG51 | someone get me a fruppacino |
| 11:04.41 | MohammadAG51 | or however it's spelt :P |
| 11:04.48 | crashanddie_ | fappucino. For those lonely times. |
| 11:05.07 | MohammadAG51 | has fapman for that |
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| 11:05.12 | crashanddie_ | If you leave it to cool for 12 minutes, it can be used as a fleshlight |
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| 11:06.04 | MohammadAG51 | leave what cool lol |
| 11:06.12 | crashanddie_ | the fappucino |
| 11:09.14 | MohammadAG51 | eww :P |
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| 11:11.02 | alterego | Jezus, what are you two talking about :P |
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| 11:11.13 | andax | make -d install fappucino # whatever it is, it sounds like coffee break :) |
| 11:11.54 | crashanddie_ | it's a break alright |
| 11:12.37 | nidO | im amazed, actually had a direct response from nokia regarding shortcomings in the new ovi suite |
| 11:12.52 | MohammadAG51 | "It's shit, kthxbye" |
| 11:12.53 | MohammadAG51 | ? |
| 11:13.20 | nidO | asking for a bit more info on the problem, they might actually be vaguely thinking about looking into it |
| 11:13.43 | crashanddie_ | "Lol, u bot fro nokia, nao njoy crap service's" |
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| 11:14.19 | MohammadAG51 | nidO, it's a stunt :P |
| 11:14.48 | ohwhyme2 | Do i need to flash the kernel if I install power42? I cant seem to boot into it with multiboot. I have nitdroid and neopwn installed. |
| 11:15.01 | nidO | quite possibly, we'll see if anything actually comes of it, im just quite amazed that i actually got a reply from the bug feedback form |
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| 11:16.07 | RST38h | A fappuchino? What fappuchino? |
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| 11:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: random text template answer |
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| 11:31.43 | timeless_xchat | sighs |
| 11:31.49 | lcuk | nidO, :) sending a correctly formed question to places should get you a correctly formed answer. i expect that is the same no matter which contact mechanism you use |
| 11:31.51 | timeless_xchat | where's macsbug when i need it? |
| 11:32.10 | lcuk | if you submit crap, you cannot expect anything other than crap back |
| 11:33.01 | nidO | lcuk: except, generally, when submitting bug report forms for not-openly-developed software, the submission is generally the last you ever hear of it, especially when it comes to reminding nokia that the n900 exists |
| 11:33.06 | alterego | Playe dwith a Nokia N8 last night |
| 11:33.13 | alterego | Well, I say played with, I had to fix it for someone. |
| 11:33.15 | phellarv | alterego: Was it any good? |
| 11:33.19 | alterego | Quite sleek. |
| 11:33.23 | ohwhyme2 | if i flashed my n900 to use the neopwn kernel does that mean if i flash the power42 kernel, i cant use neopwn? |
| 11:33.27 | timeless_xchat | alterego: time to fix? |
| 11:33.29 | tobis87 | MohammadAG51: I have made a patch of the hw accel. drivers for the community kernel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CQFPJwRz |
| 11:33.33 | phellarv | alterego: Did it have xterm? |
| 11:33.40 | alterego | Bit annoying, that when you stick it on a table it doesn't sit flat. |
| 11:33.41 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: are there maps to find the way to your universe? I usually get crap answers to correct questions |
| 11:33.43 | tobis87 | Please make sure they are only compiled as modules. |
| 11:34.19 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, which definition of correct are you using? :) |
| 11:34.33 | DocScrutinizer | a correct one :-P |
| 11:34.36 | phellarv | lcuk: The most correct one? |
| 11:34.38 | phellarv | \o/ |
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| 11:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: http://xckd.com/806/ |
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| 11:36.56 | tobis87 | MohammadAG51: I have made a patch of the hw accel. drivers for the community kernel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CQFPJwRz |
| 11:37.21 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, obviously you mistyped shibboleet |
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| 11:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | comment on #44 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c44 by Joerg Reisenweber: "shibboleet" |
| 11:42.38 | povbot` | Bug 9314: Relicense BME |
| 11:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | I so tempted |
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| 11:51.26 | timeless_xchat | docscrutinizer/lcuk: do you guys get the historical reference? |
| 11:51.57 | timeless_xchat | or is xkcd as far as you go? |
| 11:54.15 | lcuk | i didn't know until i just googled it |
| 11:54.46 | crashanddie_ | lol |
| 11:54.57 | lcuk | thats really interesting, a word pronouncable by locals but other people couldnt say :) |
| 11:54.59 | crashanddie_ | windows 7 phones don't support static IP addresses, only DHCP |
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| 11:59.07 | auenf | err, serious? |
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| 11:59.57 | SpeedEvil | Broken. |
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| 12:07.32 | user | johnx youre still here? |
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| 12:13.09 | Termana | crashanddie_, auenf, SpeedEvil - they also don't properly support microSD/microSDHC/microSD-whatever |
| 12:13.17 | Termana | But do you really need someone to assure you that WP7 is crap? |
| 12:13.18 | Termana | :p |
| 12:13.49 | auenf | so it IS an improvement on wm6.5 then |
| 12:14.09 | jarkkom | wp7 seems pretty rushed, it works just fine but lots of features you'd expect from phone are simply not there |
| 12:14.16 | Termana | auenf, how so? |
| 12:14.17 | jarkkom | API is really limited as well |
| 12:14.19 | auenf | (version number increase == improvement) |
| 12:14.24 | Termana | ha |
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| 12:14.39 | Termana | Also, wtf kind of marketing manager do Microsoft have |
| 12:14.45 | Termana | Windows Phone 7? Seriously? |
| 12:14.54 | nidO | missing obvious features doesnt exactly mean a device will fail |
| 12:14.56 | Termana | What kind of f-ed up name is that!? |
| 12:14.59 | crashanddie_ | I loved the TV-ads |
| 12:15.01 | nidO | iOS couldnt be a more obvious example |
| 12:15.13 | crashanddie_ | Translation: "Get a life, get a phone you don't care about. Windows 7" |
| 12:15.17 | jarkkom | it's huge improvement over wm6.5 anyway |
| 12:15.21 | timeless_xchat | spoke w/ a guy from ms last week |
| 12:15.24 | timeless_xchat | he explained the c+p omission |
| 12:15.38 | timeless_xchat | the explanation is actually reasonable |
| 12:16.09 | crashanddie_ | What, they forgot the ctrl key? |
| 12:16.09 | timeless_xchat | basically most times people don't c+p to notepad |
| 12:16.10 | Termana | timeless_xchat, humour me |
| 12:16.18 | jarkkom | it's not feature you'll need _that_ often anyway |
| 12:16.23 | timeless_xchat | they c+p to load a url in a browser |
| 12:16.24 | nidO | well the automated interlinking it has instead is pretty decent and in most cases a lot less clunky than c+p, from the brief tryout iv had with it |
| 12:16.27 | timeless_xchat | or to load an address in maps |
| 12:16.29 | timeless_xchat | or... |
| 12:16.42 | crashanddie_ | yes, and? |
| 12:16.43 | timeless_xchat | the idea then is to save people from doing c+p |
| 12:16.48 | auenf | err, iphone os 3 added c+p |
| 12:16.51 | crashanddie_ | why? |
| 12:16.54 | timeless_xchat | by providing what they actually want |
| 12:17.02 | auenf | so that means users DO want c+P right? |
| 12:17.04 | timeless_xchat | load url |
| 12:17.04 | timeless_xchat | open maps |
| 12:17.08 | nidO | crashanddie_: the point is that for most people c+p is a means to an end |
| 12:17.20 | timeless_xchat | no |
| 12:17.21 | crashanddie_ | timeless, so instead of allowing people to forcibly do an action, they're going to rely on recognition to find addresses, phones numbers, etc? |
| 12:17.23 | nidO | wp7 just provides the end (that most people want) directly, and removes the c+p part |
| 12:17.24 | timeless_xchat | goes to drop off lunch tray |
| 12:17.28 | Termana | timeless_xchat, that explanation also conveniently overlooks the restriction placed on it |
| 12:17.36 | Termana | Just sayin. |
| 12:17.38 | timeless_xchat | termana: so... |
| 12:17.40 | Termana | They could have both |
| 12:17.46 | timeless_xchat | they had research numbers |
| 12:17.50 | nidO | they could, and theyve already said they will |
| 12:17.50 | crashanddie_ | so, whenever an address isn't properly formatted, as soon as the detection fails, people get buttfucked |
| 12:17.58 | timeless_xchat | ms doesn't need to do small samples |
| 12:18.05 | timeless_xchat | they have *large* samples |
| 12:18.09 | SuRfDeMoN | Why does the latest Maemo update require the PC suite ? :( |
| 12:18.09 | timeless_xchat | just like google |
| 12:18.21 | crashanddie_ | SuRfDeMoN, it doesn't |
| 12:18.25 | timeless_xchat | surfdemon: because you broke your system |
| 12:18.38 | nidO | SuRfDeMoN: because you either have not enoufh rootfs, or an incompatible package installed, most likely libgles1 from at least 1 game you have installed |
| 12:18.42 | crashanddie_ | ~tell SuRfDeMoN about pr1.3 |
| 12:18.46 | crashanddie_ | ~tell SuRfDeMoN about flashing |
| 12:19.24 | jarkkom | has there been any news if Maemo5 is getting qtmobility 1.1? |
| 12:19.32 | SuRfDeMoN | ah |
| 12:20.23 | SuRfDeMoN | cool, it just kept telling me to use pc suite... seemed stupid a linux based device requires software that only runs on windows to update |
| 12:20.34 | SuRfDeMoN | thanks for the info I will take a look at it :) |
| 12:21.33 | dazo | Anyone know how I set the default calendar in the calendar app? I got 3 calendars active, and it always chooses the one I'm least interested in adding events into ... |
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| 12:25.11 | chibi-taiga | i cant get my radio fixed T.T |
| 12:27.53 | andax | chibi-taiga: is bluetooth on? |
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| 12:28.51 | chibi-taiga | yes its automatic |
| 12:30.01 | chibi-taiga | Error: Cannot Load FM driver |
| 12:30.06 | chibi-taiga | is what i gert |
| 12:30.09 | chibi-taiga | get |
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| 12:33.57 | andax | hmm, radio needs phone cable as antenna, maybe it wants that cable prior to loading the fm driver |
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| 12:35.45 | andax | chibi-taiga: have you installed stable version of radio? |
| 12:36.03 | andax | maybe you need to reinstall |
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| 12:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | andax: read backscroll, we discussed it ~2h ago. The radio driver isn't compatible with your kernel, I'd guess |
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| 12:41.49 | RST38h | <back? |
| 12:42.25 | sivang | hey RST38h |
| 12:42.39 | RST38h | yes? |
| 12:42.51 | andax | DocScrutinizer: ah, i see, then chibli-taiga needs to look for the appropriate kernel |
| 12:43.01 | sivang | RST38h: I was just hi'ing |
| 12:43.02 | RST38h | feels sorry for AllAboutSymbian guys |
| 12:43.04 | andax | chibli-taiga ^ |
| 12:43.10 | sivang | RST38h: all about symbian? |
| 12:43.16 | sivang | RST38h: re arstechnica article? |
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| 12:43.43 | RST38h | How do they manage to produce such cheerful, positive articles, with the straight face? |
| 12:43.52 | sivang | googles |
| 12:43.59 | andax | ohwhyme, he is gone |
| 12:44.07 | saahleh | apt-get remove modest removed 8 packages. apt-get install modest installed only 1 (modest). is this right? |
| 12:44.27 | sivang | saahleh: hmm |
| 12:45.19 | saahleh | (got every 10 sec an error: 'internal error, application 'e-mail' closed) |
| 12:45.57 | RST38h | saahleh: Well, you are not saying which packages have been removed... |
| 12:46.12 | sivang | saahleh: tos package were dependeing on it, do apt-cache rdepends on modest |
| 12:46.16 | sivang | saahleh: see what you miss |
| 12:46.20 | sivang | saahleh: reinstall, possibly |
| 12:46.32 | sivang | my 2c |
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| 12:49.03 | andax | [X] turned off xchat nick auto completion |
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| 12:55.45 | Termana | Some applications on the iPhone/iPod Touch have horribly insecure in-app for purchase access. For example one application lists links the the content in a text file in it's folder that can be used to download the content for free and then all you need to do is rename it and copy it into a particular folder on the device |
| 12:55.48 | Termana | Incredible :p |
| 12:56.15 | javispedro | Termana: you know, 90% of iPhone users don't have access to its full filesystem |
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| 12:56.36 | Termana | javispedro, that's true (well, I don' |
| 12:56.41 | Termana | stupid enter key |
| 12:56.42 | javispedro | and for those who have, virtually no DRM will stop them. |
| 12:56.57 | Termana | javispedro, that's true (well, I don't know about the particular statistic of 90% but anyway) |
| 12:57.04 | javispedro | completely made up |
| 12:57.18 | javispedro | but I'd guess a similar number. |
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| 12:57.47 | Termana | javispedro, anyhow I would still consider better protective measures against my content rather than just slap downloadable links in a text file. |
| 12:58.05 | Termana | (If I was this particular company) |
| 12:58.19 | Termana | (And endorsed such measures) |
| 12:58.35 | javispedro | possibly embed strings in binary to stop a 1% of users |
| 12:58.51 | saahleh | back again. reinstalling the deps. Will see. |
| 12:58.59 | javispedro | btw, morning. |
| 12:59.07 | Termana | good morning :p |
| 13:00.18 | jarkkom | most of the time you cannot stop determined piracy anyway, so you just do minimum effort to deter casual pirates |
| 13:02.15 | marmoute_ | until determined pirate provide casual one a way to do it casualy |
| 13:02.57 | javispedro | then you make it slightly more difficult |
| 13:03.42 | javispedro | rinse and repeat. |
| 13:03.49 | marmoute_ | and more you fight with pirate more it's pain for legal user. |
| 13:03.57 | Termana | The thing is, I thought they would at least make a check to make sure you purchased the content before downloading it from their servers. No such thing. In fact it will even update the content for you if they have been updated |
| 13:04.14 | Termana | s/they/the content |
| 13:04.30 | javispedro | Termana: possibly breaks their CDN |
| 13:04.40 | javispedro | or makes it more expensive |
| 13:04.49 | javispedro | so they thought "not worth it". |
| 13:04.56 | saahleh | mutt isn't available, is it? |
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| 13:05.19 | marmoute_ | saahleh: mutt have trouble with the N900 term setting. |
| 13:05.35 | marmoute_ | They is a work around but I don't remember which |
| 13:05.55 | saahleh | i've got 'fork failed' errors. |
| 13:06.11 | saahleh | whats that? |
| 13:06.19 | javispedro | loves "I'm porting Blackberry Messenger to the N900 but I have no coding experience" |
| 13:07.56 | Turski | :) |
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| 13:10.35 | Robot101 | javispedro: is that with a telepathy backend, or a paintbrush mockup? :) |
| 13:10.41 | RST38h | javispedro: so, what is his progress? |
| 13:11.08 | javispedro | none whatsoever, by the 7th page he already stopped because of "unforeseen legal issues" (??) |
| 13:11.17 | saahleh | begin to think reflashing is the best option... :( |
| 13:11.28 | RST38h | javispedro: omg |
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| 13:17.55 | javispedro | *6th page |
| 13:18.37 | psycho_oreos | how does one go about installing python2.5-qt4-common (= 4.7.4-maemo0) when one has 4.7.5-maemo1 installed? seems like it needs an older copy |
| 13:20.06 | psycho_oreos | nevermind, it seems to be in extras-devel |
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| 13:22.12 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, BB messenger has no API, you need to reverse engineer the crap |
| 13:22.44 | javispedro | in fact, "port" seems to underrate the amount of work to be done with a 2000%. |
| 13:22.50 | javispedro | s/with/by |
| 13:23.27 | nidO | MohammadAG51: that was rather what he was told in the thread, he assumed he could just port whatsapp or similar and several other people in the thread joined him, without any real realisation that they arent actually BBM atall, which is unportable. |
| 13:23.55 | MohammadAG51 | nidO, there is, for BB devices :P |
| 13:24.16 | SpeedEvil | BBM> |
| 13:24.17 | nidO | eh? |
| 13:24.32 | SpeedEvil | BBM? |
| 13:24.34 | jonwil | Good luck porting BBM to anything that isnt BlackBerry |
| 13:24.56 | MohammadAG51 | you don't need luck, it won't happen |
| 13:25.34 | jonwil | Can anyone tell me if the current firmware for the N900 has any binary kernel modules? |
| 13:25.46 | jonwil | Also, how does the graphics stack work? |
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| 13:26.42 | MohammadAG51 | jonwil, kernel is fully open |
| 13:26.51 | jonwil | thats what I thought to be the case |
| 13:27.06 | jonwil | thats good news since (unlike Android) we are not tied to kernels from Nokia |
| 13:27.17 | jonwil | and can run newer kernels if we want :) |
| 13:27.20 | javispedro | well. |
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| 13:27.34 | javispedro | open is half of what's needed. |
| 13:27.41 | jonwil | yeah someone needs to port it :) |
| 13:27.50 | jonwil | I am very close to pulling the plunge on a N900 as soon as I have enough money to buy one |
| 13:27.52 | javispedro | which has fortunately happened... |
| 13:28.08 | jonwil | since it seems like the most open phone you can buy that's actually usable in the real world |
| 13:28.19 | jonwil | plus it has physical QWERTY which I really like :) |
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| 13:29.08 | javispedro | the 3d stack is entirely closed. since you asked... |
| 13:29.14 | krayon | jonwil: I can tell you I find it more usable and useful than my OpenMoko Freerunner :/ |
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| 13:29.45 | jonwil | is N900 using X? |
| 13:29.46 | SpeedEvil | krayon: have you tried latest SHRs though? |
| 13:29.49 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: yes |
| 13:29.58 | nidO | sigh, cheating search engines is much more complex than it used to be :< |
| 13:30.57 | jonwil | 3D stack being closed was what I thought to be the case |
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| 13:31.26 | jonwil | since there is no-one producing GPUs for ARM that are open |
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| 13:32.11 | krayon | SpeedEvil: Last one I used was from September |
| 13:32.19 | jonwil | All the info I am getting is very much making me decide on N900 rather than HTC Desire Z |
| 13:32.48 | SpeedEvil | One thing that may influence some is the almost total lack of commercial apps on the n900. |
| 13:33.00 | jonwil | I dont care about the lack of commercial apps |
| 13:33.07 | jonwil | since I dont plan on spending money on apps |
| 13:33.08 | SpeedEvil | OTOH - you can setup the right repos - and apt-get install build-essentials |
| 13:33.29 | SpeedEvil | (you probably actually don't want to do that as it fills up / - but still) |
| 13:33.31 | nidO | lack of commercial apps does also apply to a lack of commercial *free* apps |
| 13:33.46 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
| 13:33.54 | jonwil | does N900 support memory card expansion? |
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| 13:34.37 | psycho_oreos | via microSD cards, yes |
| 13:34.41 | alterego | It has a micro sd card |
| 13:34.50 | saahleh | -reader :) |
| 13:34.52 | alterego | And a 32G internal MMC so .. |
| 13:35.04 | jonwil | 32G is nice, much better than my Motorola Z6 |
| 13:36.21 | jonwil | I do not think I will buy HTC Desire Z, not when the only way to load a custom kernel is to use a bug in userland to gain root access, then load a custom kernel module to unlock the flash memory then flash a custom bootloader and then only after that can you flash a new kernel |
| 13:36.42 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, repos down? |
| 13:36.42 | jonwil | N900 can replace the kernel without any special hacks or work |
| 13:36.57 | MohammadAG51 | a friend's getting hash sum mismatch |
| 13:37.47 | jonwil | The fact that I dont have to learn all sorts of fancy new stuff to program N900 (i.e. Java on Android or .NET on Windows Phone) is another plus :) |
| 13:38.03 | saahleh | It's only because of linux i've got the N900. |
| 13:38.19 | saahleh | Only wished i could run gentoo on it :) |
| 13:38.20 | jonwil | What host environment do you need on the desktop to write apps for the N900? |
| 13:38.34 | jonwil | yeah, Gentoo on a phone would be the ultimate in open :P |
| 13:38.35 | krayon | jonwil: Yeah it's pretty sweet to be able to just move your linux apps straight over |
| 13:38.51 | krayon | jonwil: And OMG it's awesome to say "oh, I'll solve this with a bash script" :P |
| 13:39.09 | jonwil | Although you wouldnt want to try an emerge world over a cellular data link :P |
| 13:39.24 | MohammadAG51 | then realize bash is missing |
| 13:39.26 | alterego | jonwil: you can develop on all the major platforms. |
| 13:39.36 | alterego | It's obviously nicer (imo) to do it on Linux though |
| 13:39.38 | javispedro | jonwil: saahleh: you can run whatever you want; of course do not later complain if the phone does not work under Gentoo. |
| 13:39.47 | jonwil | heh :P |
| 13:40.21 | jonwil | Can I do all development for N900 (new kernel etc) on Windows XP or would I need to get my Gentoo box working again? |
| 13:40.26 | saahleh | skype and sip works under gentoo :) |
| 13:41.15 | javispedro | jonwil: you can do as you wish but doing that might be potentially a much daunting task that just setting up a VM |
| 13:42.00 | saahleh | A new gcc-version would be a problem too... 1d4h on my laptop for emerge -e world... |
| 13:42.34 | RST38h | Except that the actual topic of #maemo is...well...Maemo |
| 13:42.47 | javispedro | wrong channel! |
| 13:42.51 | RST38h | yep |
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| 13:42.54 | saahleh | :) moving to gentoo |
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| 13:45.10 | jonwil | I have quite a few app ideas already for if/when I get my N900 |
| 13:46.29 | alterego | Cool, tell me and I'll sell them to you :P |
| 13:47.17 | jonwil | I intend to have a go at playing with the Google Transit Feed data my local transit company makes available |
| 13:47.36 | jonwil | Be nice to have an app on the phone so I dont need to ring the information line all the time for various things |
| 13:48.36 | alterego | Boring :P |
| 13:48.48 | alterego | (I'm only saying that because I have no idea what you're on about) |
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| 13:49.06 | jonwil | its about public transport |
| 13:49.10 | jonwil | i.e. buses and trains |
| 13:49.58 | jonwil | Google developed a spec for data such as routes, stops, fares, timetables etc and my local public transport company provides data in this format |
| 13:50.05 | jonwil | which is nice since I take the bus and train everywhere |
| 13:50.09 | jonwil | ) |
| 13:50.12 | jonwil | :) |
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| 13:50.57 | saahleh | just take a bicycle... |
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| 13:51.09 | jonwil | I live too far from the places I go to take the bike |
| 13:51.15 | jonwil | plus I dont own a bike |
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| 13:51.47 | jonwil | If I was to buy a bike, I couldn't afford the N900 |
| 13:51.49 | jonwil | :P |
| 13:52.11 | mtnman | hello all |
| 13:53.22 | saahleh | But don't think it's offline useable. In my own city i always take my bike. If i'm traveling in my country i don't need it. I know where to look to get the times. |
| 13:53.33 | mtnman | it seems that my n900 has started running an access point and dhcp server... anyone know how this may have started and how to turn it off? |
| 13:53.47 | saahleh | But in a foreign country, i need it, but don't have a cheap internet connection |
| 13:54.04 | saahleh | Ahh, for 25 euro's you can have a bike. |
| 13:54.50 | saahleh | And don't go so far :) |
| 13:55.14 | jonwil | Bikes are expensive here in Australia |
| 13:55.36 | jonwil | plus there is nowhere safe at work to store bikes |
| 13:56.07 | mtnman | used bikes are usually a good value |
| 13:56.09 | saahleh | I'm missing a good sync appl. Just sync my cal, mail todo's etc by usb, bluetooth, wifi with my laptop. |
| 13:56.23 | Necc | you mean ovi suite? |
| 13:56.46 | saahleh | Only way is to set up a egroupware server, and even that don't work (my webserver hasn't enabled pear...) |
| 13:56.53 | krayon | jonwil: In the City (Melbourne, dunno about others) they are rolling out those bike racks with bikes you can use and return elsewhere, hire bikes if you will :P |
| 13:57.00 | saahleh | ovi suite for linux? |
| 13:57.08 | jonwil | Melbourne yes |
| 13:57.10 | jonwil | Perth no |
| 13:57.12 | Necc | sure? :p |
| 13:57.22 | f3ew | thinks that public transport in his city has a timetable |
| 13:57.24 | mtnman | prefers to ride his own bike, use his own computer, etc. |
| 13:57.25 | jonwil | Perth is too backwards to think of something like that |
| 13:57.42 | Termana | jonwil: Perth is so bad |
| 13:57.51 | Termana | jonwil, Oprah didn't visit there! |
| 13:57.56 | Termana | :p |
| 13:58.06 | jonwil | Big deal, Oprah is just some TV star |
| 13:58.16 | jonwil | I dont even watch that junk |
| 13:59.00 | Termana | Did I need to explicitly use my sarcasm tags? |
| 13:59.05 | mtnman | the fact that oprah did not visit there speaks volumes (in a positive way) |
| 13:59.39 | Termana | Besides, SA is obviously the greatest state. Our current Prime Minister was raised in SA! |
| 13:59.40 | Termana | :p |
| 14:00.36 | lardman | South Australia? |
| 14:00.48 | lardman | ah yes, /me sees what's going on |
| 14:01.02 | lardman | also agrees as most of his familiy members live there |
| 14:01.25 | Termana | lardman, yes it's the Australian state that you know, is in the South part of Australia. |
| 14:01.27 | Termana | :p |
| 14:02.14 | Termana | Doesn't have our southest point however |
| 14:02.23 | Termana | But no one cares about Tasmania, so it's cool |
| 14:02.25 | jonwil | What is media playback on N900 like? |
| 14:02.26 | Termana | :p (Kidding) |
| 14:02.37 | jonwil | oh wait, its linux so it should have a FFMPEG port |
| 14:02.43 | jonwil | which means it can play anything known to man :P |
| 14:02.54 | lardman | mplayer |
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| 14:03.12 | lardman | search on TMO |
| 14:05.16 | SpeedEvil | jonwil: mplayer is there - but the inbuild media player is OK for me, and can use a lot less battery, as it has hardare accellertionfor some codecs. |
| 14:05.48 | jonwil | can the inbuilt media player do OGG? |
| 14:06.27 | jonwil | OGG audio specifically |
| 14:06.44 | Termana | "Note I am MAC user and as such" - I already know I shouldn't read this post on t.m.o |
| 14:07.03 | lardman | yes, if you add the gstreamer plugin and twiddle the settings so it's recognised |
| 14:07.07 | lardman | it's not accelerated though |
| 14:07.14 | lardman | again, take a look on TMO |
| 14:07.31 | lardman | in fact I think all that stuff is probably packaged up now, so also take a look at the repos |
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| 14:09.02 | mtnman | there is an ogg add on, but support is not available out of the box |
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| 14:16.29 | mtnman | how can i turn off the dhcp server that is now running on my n900? i have no idea how it got started. |
| 14:18.33 | marmoute_ | /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop |
| 14:19.50 | mtnman | marmoute sure, but how about why is it there in the first place? there also seems to be a process providing a wireless access point |
| 14:20.53 | nidO | that would indicate you installed mobilehotspot or joikuspot. |
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| 14:21.35 | mtnman | nido: not to my knowledge, but i'll check if either one is installed |
| 14:21.49 | nidO | if you've magically managed to get a wifi ap running on the device without either of those two though, the rest of the n900 community would love to know how |
| 14:22.54 | marmoute_ | use "dpkg -S" to know from where a file come from |
| 14:23.02 | jonwil | Can you use the data connection of a N900 over USB from a PC? |
| 14:23.25 | mtnman | hands nido his spare magic wand and a good bit of "abracadabra" |
| 14:23.28 | marmoute_ | % 15:22 marmoute@kraken ~ > dpkg -S /usr/bin/hg-ssh |
| 14:23.28 | marmoute_ | mercurial-common: /usr/bin/hg-ssh |
| 14:23.35 | nidO | jonwil: theoretically yes |
| 14:24.10 | jonwil | Just trying to think of all the things I do with my Motorola Z6 and making sure I can still do them on the N900 :) |
| 14:24.19 | nidO | Ovi suite supports both usb and bluetooth for the n900's data connection, personally i've never managed to get usb to work properly though, but plenty of people have |
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| 14:28.07 | SpeedEvil | I've used the n900 to stream video to my laptop over 3g whenmy DSL was down yesterday |
| 14:28.46 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i use my n900 3g to connect to my home computer when my wifi goes offline :P |
| 14:28.58 | nidO | I had to rely on my n900's 3g connection over bluetooth for 2 weeks when i recently moved |
| 14:29.06 | nidO | never wanted to bash my own head in so much in my entire life |
| 14:29.13 | mtnman | ok well dhcp is not running anymore, but i'm offered a wireless connection called K1500-KGABC123 which is being provided by the n900 |
| 14:31.39 | mtnman | neither mobile hotspot nor joikuspot shows in the application manager |
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| 14:32.29 | SpeedEvil | ar eyou sure? |
| 14:32.36 | SpeedEvil | does it go away if you power off the n900 |
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| 14:33.50 | mtnman | K1500-KGABC123 shows up on a mac's network config as an available "device" (using a friend's old mac til i repair the p/s on my debian system) |
| 14:34.16 | mtnman | speedevil: if you are talking to me what are you asking if i am sure of? |
| 14:35.03 | nidO | that 1) you have neither of those applications are installed and 2) that the ap is being provided by your n900 |
| 14:35.38 | crashanddie_ | mtnman, what version of OSX is it running? |
| 14:35.52 | crashanddie_ | mtnman, when I plug-in my N900 to my mac, it just offers to connect an N900 |
| 14:35.53 | SpeedEvil | mtnman: that you have confirmed that the n900 is providing the hot-spot by turning it off |
| 14:36.06 | mtnman | well i checked the application manager, but haven't checked with dpkg to see if the packages are installed. they don't show up in application manager. the ap shows up on a mac's network config as an available "device" |
| 14:36.50 | mtnman | well yes, i have rebooted several times and the hotspot has followed me all day as i travelled across the county (not country!) |
| 14:37.23 | SpeedEvil | Is there a PC you're also traveling with? |
| 14:37.26 | mtnman | OS X 10.5.8 |
| 14:37.26 | SpeedEvil | windows can do this |
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| 14:37.50 | mtnman | no pc, thankfully, and my debian system has a broken p/s |
| 14:38.05 | SpeedEvil | Also - turning off the n900 checks that it's not the MAC reporting something bogus |
| 14:38.29 | SpeedEvil | Also - acting as an AP will drain the batteries in 4-6 hours, idle. |
| 14:38.35 | crashanddie_ | p/s? |
| 14:38.46 | SpeedEvil | so if you're battery has not drained in that time, it's unlikely |
| 14:38.49 | mtnman | power spply |
| 14:38.53 | crashanddie_ | your |
| 14:39.21 | mtnman | ok then why does this show up on the network selector for the 900 and the mac? |
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| 14:39.36 | SpeedEvil | turn off the n900 |
| 14:39.38 | SpeedEvil | what happens |
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| 14:40.04 | mtnman | ok speedevil when i rebooted it the same thing was going on. if you want i can shut it off again. |
| 14:40.52 | mtnman | i turned it off overnight and when i started it in the morning, it was still broadcasting |
| 14:40.58 | nidO | he said turn it off, not reboot it - as in switch it off, and see if the device is still there on your mac with the n900 turned off |
| 14:41.25 | mtnman | it _was_ turned off overnight, but i am shutting down again to please you |
| 14:41.49 | SpeedEvil | It doesn't please me. |
| 14:41.58 | SpeedEvil | Pleasing me would require chocolate cake. |
| 14:42.04 | jacekowski | mtnman: remove battery and check if network is still there |
| 14:42.06 | mtnman | there is an app for that |
| 14:42.12 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer, went to a real estate company to get some price ideas. They asked how much I was earning, and immediately tried to sell me a 600k place. WTF? |
| 14:42.16 | mtnman | (choc cake) |
| 14:42.17 | jacekowski | mtnman: if it's still there then your macshit is a piece of shit |
| 14:42.39 | mtnman | is not a mac fan, prefers debian goodness |
| 14:42.44 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: they get paid by commision |
| 14:42.51 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, no, really? |
| 14:43.19 | crashanddie_ | wow, I can hardly believe that, next we're going to hear that investment bankers are on commission as well! |
| 14:43.21 | mtnman | real estate people are really hurting these days. |
| 14:43.32 | crashanddie_ | mtnman, depends which country |
| 14:43.43 | SpeedEvil | Is 600k a big place where you are? |
| 14:43.51 | SpeedEvil | Some places that wil get you a mansion. |
| 14:44.04 | SpeedEvil | Some places a small flat. |
| 14:44.14 | crashanddie_ | SpeedEvil, it's OK, probably a main house with summer house, swimming pool, 6 bedrooms |
| 14:44.48 | mtnman | ok n900 shut down, the ap is no longer appearing as a choice on the mac network selector thingie. i have not pulled the battery. |
| 14:45.08 | crashanddie_ | maybe it's a coincidence, and the AP was deactivated just at that time? |
| 14:45.16 | crashanddie_ | You should keep the n900 offline for an hour to make sure. |
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| 14:46.20 | mtnman | crashanddie_ the ap "followed" me on a 40 minute bus ride, and a walk from there to my home. i don't think an hour is going to make me any surer that ap is from the n900 |
| 14:46.45 | crashanddie_ | mtnman, sarcasm. Google it. |
| 14:47.16 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, to be honest, I was actually more thinking around something of 150-200k |
| 14:47.59 | crashanddie_ | which is what any sane real estate agent should be doing, someone comes in to ask for prices, multiply their gross yearly salary by three, and those are the houses you show them |
| 14:48.39 | lardman | might not work in the UK, or are you thinking specifically investment bankers? |
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| 14:48.59 | crashanddie_ | nope, me. |
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| 14:49.37 | lardman | I think that estate agents have no clue |
| 14:50.00 | crashanddie_ | lardman, thing is, at 60k a year, I can hope at best to repay 15k a year. So it would take me... 40 years to repay a 600k house. |
| 14:50.20 | lardman | that's normal-ish |
| 14:50.26 | crashanddie_ | eh? |
| 14:50.31 | lardman | you're young enough for that length of mortgage anyway |
| 14:50.33 | crashanddie_ | Normal in my book is 20, 25 years |
| 14:50.44 | mtnman | ok after shutting down, waiting a few minutes, and starting up, ap K1500-KGABC123 shows as an available network from the n900, but is not showing up on the mac's network selector. |
| 14:51.01 | crashanddie_ | lardman, it's too risky an investment frankly |
| 14:51.02 | lcuk | crashanddie_, you forget about interest rates. |
| 14:51.07 | crashanddie_ | lcuk, indeed |
| 14:51.10 | lcuk | so even if you go for the lesser house |
| 14:51.12 | lcuk | you will still pay the same :P |
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| 14:51.22 | lardman | crashanddie_: of course, but the estate agents just want you to buy something |
| 14:51.31 | crashanddie_ | well, they're idiots |
| 14:51.38 | lardman | as I said above |
| 14:51.40 | lardman | ;) |
| 14:51.44 | crashanddie_ | indeed |
| 14:52.14 | crashanddie_ | It's just so frigging lame everyone these days is just hoping to make OMG MONIES, rather than providing people with actual service. |
| 14:52.36 | nidO | well its them it backfires on, because instead of a 200k sale, they end up with no sale. |
| 14:52.45 | crashanddie_ | exactly |
| 14:52.47 | nidO | so let them keep it up, and theyll either learn or go bust |
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| 14:53.06 | mtnman | someone should clue them in about the bird in the hand vs. two in the bush |
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| 14:55.28 | Pauly_ | hi |
| 14:56.08 | MohammadAG51 | finally, a pair of headphones |
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| 15:02.57 | Pauly_ | hi |
| 15:03.03 | javispedro | hi.. |
| 15:03.25 | javispedro | so, Nokia's Senior VP of Symbian doesn't understand all the Symbian bashing? :) |
| 15:03.41 | RST38h | javispedro: He is prohibited form understanding by his job position |
| 15:03.41 | Pauly_ | i need help i have windows 7 x64 and cant seem to get usb mass storage working with n900 |
| 15:03.47 | RST38h | Ok, not he, she |
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| 15:05.37 | lardman | Pauly_: works for me |
| 15:05.38 | javispedro | she's confirming that the Meego and Symbian groups only talk about UI design :) |
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| 15:06.12 | Pauly_ | every time i put it in windows says cant recognize usb device |
| 15:06.17 | Pauly_ | or something like that |
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| 15:06.21 | RST38h | javispedro: ? |
| 15:06.21 | lardman | wierd |
| 15:07.13 | rmrfchik | Pauly_: my win7x64 works fine |
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| 15:07.35 | mtnman | rmrfchik: im sure that is very comforting to him :D |
| 15:07.43 | rmrfchik | Pauly_: anyway, why u need it as mass storage? can't you use pc-suite mode? |
| 15:07.50 | Pauly_ | idk when i use he ubuntu live cd on this machine works fine? |
| 15:08.00 | Pauly_ | but not windows 7 |
| 15:08.12 | Pauly_ | dont work either? |
| 15:08.15 | lardman | do other mass storage devices work? |
| 15:08.19 | Pauly_ | yes |
| 15:08.20 | rmrfchik | mtnman: sure, because flashing don't work in 7x64. and my info makes sure that usb-storage working |
| 15:09.02 | Pauly_ | ughh windows |
| 15:09.07 | javispedro | RST38h: "And at many different levels between Symbian and MeeGo there is discussion on how do we make functionality the best... let's take NFC for example, or Voice UI ..." |
| 15:09.08 | rmrfchik | Pauly_: try to update drivers in windows for this device |
| 15:10.17 | Pauly_ | theres no potion for that |
| 15:10.18 | lcuk | Pauly_, try using a different usb port perhaps |
| 15:10.36 | Pauly_ | i keep cycling trough 6 of em |
| 15:11.21 | lcuk | sounds like you have fscked up the ports, it used to be really easy to send windows into such a tiz |
| 15:12.07 | lardman | what does device manager say about the device? |
| 15:13.33 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 15:13.35 | rmrfchik | Pauly_: open device manager, locate usb device, click properties, click "Update" or sometjinjg like this |
| 15:13.38 | MohammadAG51 | can't seek in music |
| 15:13.47 | MohammadAG51 | Unable to seek stream |
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| 15:14.30 | RST38h | javispedro: I think she is too high in the hierarchy to understand what she is talking about :(( |
| 15:14.38 | lardman | lol |
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| 15:15.16 | RST38h | javispedro: Because sure as hell, Meego and Symbian will NOT share NFS driver or most of the NFC stack |
| 15:15.23 | RST38h | NFC |
| 15:15.26 | Pauly_ | i give up |
| 15:15.40 | rmrfchik | Pauly_: you can't find device manager? ;) |
| 15:15.43 | lardman | Pauly_: device manager? |
| 15:15.44 | Pauly_ | it says windows has the most up to date software for unknown device |
| 15:15.47 | javispedro | fortunately has no idea what NFC is |
| 15:15.49 | rmrfchik | RST38h: what is NFC? |
| 15:15.56 | crashanddie_ | near field communication |
| 15:15.59 | crashanddie_ | smartcards and such |
| 15:16.10 | lardman | what is the VID/PID returned for the device? |
| 15:16.20 | javispedro | oh |
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| 15:16.44 | jacekowski | vendor id and product id |
| 15:16.48 | Pauly_ | thanks anyways |
| 15:16.53 | Pauly_ | i hate my pc |
| 15:17.08 | RST38h | NFC is a built-in rfid chip for payments on the fly |
| 15:17.10 | jacekowski | what is a problem? |
| 15:17.18 | crashanddie_ | erhm, no it's not |
| 15:17.36 | lardman | jacekowski: I know, I'm asking Pauly_ |
| 15:17.38 | crashanddie_ | NFC is just an umbrella name for any wireless technology that can only be activated within 4 inches or so |
| 15:18.01 | RST38h | crashanddie: In Nokia speak, as far as I can see by current products, it is just an rfid chip |
| 15:18.20 | crashanddie_ | yes, but NFC has nothing to do with payments |
| 15:18.24 | crashanddie_ | be it Nokia-speak or otherwise |
| 15:18.27 | RST38h | Not that it wasn't useful of course, I like paying tolls with my phone :) |
| 15:18.44 | RST38h | crashanddie: that is the most commonly proposed usage |
| 15:18.49 | Pauly_ | is it HArdware IDs |
| 15:18.54 | RST38h | crashanddie: in fact, may be the only one |
| 15:18.58 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, really? |
| 15:18.59 | javispedro | RST38h: oh. why do I suddenly envision a heavily bearded man boasting stuff about "portable tracking devices" |
| 15:19.12 | Pauly_ | usb/unknown comes up |
| 15:19.13 | Pauly_ | gtg |
| 15:19.19 | Pauly_ | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:19.21 | RST38h | crashanddie: Try remembering any mentions of other uses in the press |
| 15:19.21 | Pauly_ | maybe later |
| 15:19.23 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, so, opening an office door with your cellphone is out of the question? A lot more people use that than any other NFC use-case in the world. |
| 15:19.59 | RST38h | crashanddie: ok but it is still the same rfid thing |
| 15:20.07 | crashanddie_ | not exactly |
| 15:20.13 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: all rfid chips can be cloned |
| 15:20.23 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: so far nobody produced safe technology for that |
| 15:20.26 | crashanddie_ | NFC for payments is going to require encryption and stuff like that |
| 15:20.37 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: well, mifare |
| 15:20.44 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: all transport payment systems |
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| 15:20.49 | jacekowski | lobster cards |
| 15:20.50 | lardman | Pauly_: if it can't see the VID/PID, the problem lies quite low down |
| 15:20.51 | RST38h | crash: Is your credit card number encrypted on that magnetic strip? |
| 15:20.52 | jacekowski | and similiar thing |
| 15:20.58 | lardman | and nothing to do with the N900 |
| 15:21.02 | lardman | probably |
| 15:21.08 | crashanddie_ | my previous company was working on a standard that would allow to exchange arbitrary information over the air |
| 15:21.15 | jacekowski | RST38h: there is a difference between radio that everybody can read and magnetic |
| 15:21.27 | RST38h | jacekowski: *4 inches* |
| 15:21.28 | javispedro | ... magnetic that everybody can ready :) |
| 15:21.33 | RST38h | So, no, no difference |
| 15:21.36 | javispedro | readily read. |
| 15:21.39 | jacekowski | RST38h: pffffff |
| 15:21.50 | jacekowski | RST38h: mifare can do only one inch |
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| 15:21.59 | jacekowski | RST38h: but you can read it with sensitive antenna from couple meters |
| 15:22.06 | RST38h | jacekowski: crash said NFC is defined as 4-inches or less |
| 15:22.15 | jacekowski | RST38h: operation range |
| 15:22.32 | jacekowski | RST38h: but anybody with sensitive antenna can recieve transmission between base device and card |
| 15:22.40 | jacekowski | RST38h: from couple meters distance |
| 15:22.48 | RST38h | That is an hw engineering problem to resolve isn';t it? |
| 15:22.54 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:22.56 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, good read on the subject: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sourcemediaconferences.com%2FCTST09%2FPDF09%2FA%2FTuesday%2FFedronicDominic.pdf&rct=j&q=actividentity%20ubiquity&ei=grjaTPauEpDtOcqHpJUJ&usg=AFQjCNGHi9fbljqraqGGDBZincmYFKITyQ&cad=rja |
| 15:22.58 | jacekowski | it can't be resolved |
| 15:22.58 | crashanddie_ | err |
| 15:23.07 | jacekowski | unless you would shield everything |
| 15:23.13 | RST38h | too damn long to copy =( |
| 15:23.16 | jacekowski | so card has to be inside of RF shield |
| 15:23.30 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, http://www.sourcemediaconferences.com/CTST09/PDF09/A/Tuesday/FedronicDominic.pdf |
| 15:23.31 | jacekowski | but then you can as well use contact cards |
| 15:23.35 | RST38h | thanks |
| 15:23.36 | jacekowski | and don't have that problem at all |
| 15:23.49 | rmrfchik | RST38h: you have no, emmm, mouse? ;) |
| 15:24.02 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, I helped writing the RFC for that |
| 15:24.03 | javispedro | mouse on an N900? |
| 15:24.09 | RST38h | rmrfchik: No in SSH client window, it does not copy across the lines properly |
| 15:24.25 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, sure, it works |
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| 15:24.36 | rmrfchik | RST38h: ahh. i use gvim.exe for copy-paste-join when I on windows |
| 15:24.38 | javispedro | I know, but not common. |
| 15:24.41 | MohammadAG51 | what handles seeking music? |
| 15:24.47 | jacekowski | RST38h: unless you do heavy encryption in card that's powered only by radio waves ( which is complicated if it has to be cheap at the same time ) |
| 15:24.57 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, more common than mice on the N8 |
| 15:25.03 | jacekowski | RST38h: everybody can hack it with hardware worth less than £100 + laptop |
| 15:25.06 | rmrfchik | javispedro: well, n900 terminal handles copy=paste well |
| 15:25.06 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, it doesn't have to be cheap |
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| 15:25.08 | jacekowski | RST38h: or n900 |
| 15:25.18 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: if it's for mass use it will have to be cheap |
| 15:25.25 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, most cards cost at about $8-18 each |
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| 15:25.33 | jacekowski | crashanddie_: cost of making chip&magnetic credit card is under £2 |
| 15:25.54 | crashanddie_ | cost maybe, but what the banks buy them for is $8 for the cheapest crpa |
| 15:25.55 | crashanddie_ | crap |
| 15:26.10 | crashanddie_ | if you want to go higher than your bog standard 1024 keys, you need to dash out cash |
| 15:26.46 | jacekowski | in poland many years ago when you had to use magnetic card sort of thing for payphones on street |
| 15:26.57 | jacekowski | cheapest card to buy was 5pln and that worked at under £1 |
| 15:27.10 | crashanddie_ | well, MAGNETIC |
| 15:27.10 | jacekowski | and that included 5pln worth of credit |
| 15:27.13 | nidO | and they were magnetic |
| 15:27.20 | nidO | they didnt have a chip as well |
| 15:27.34 | jacekowski | later they started making them chip without magnetic |
| 15:27.36 | crashanddie_ | and even if they have chips, it's the cryptoprocessor inside the chip that's expensive |
| 15:27.49 | jacekowski | and then cheapest one is just 10pln |
| 15:27.51 | jacekowski | which is £2 |
| 15:28.02 | crashanddie_ | don't forget that old phonecards were just a bunch of transistors that the phonebooth would burn through to remove credit |
| 15:28.25 | jacekowski | new ones |
| 15:28.47 | crashanddie_ | no, those were the old chip ones |
| 15:29.00 | crashanddie_ | in use in France since the late 70s |
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| 15:29.27 | crashanddie_ | France has had a chip-n-pin bank cards since the mid 80s |
| 15:29.38 | jacekowski | yeah, new ones like these used in poland are full digital electronic |
| 15:30.23 | crashanddie_ | jacekowski, though, if you want the price, call the UK-based activity office, and tell them you're from any police-force in the UK, and you need to replenish your stock of cards |
| 15:30.28 | crashanddie_ | you'll see what the pricing is |
| 15:30.56 | jacekowski | and that's using proper cryptography ( system is still secure, after 10+ years since they removed magnetic cards ) |
| 15:31.20 | jacekowski | and cheapest card you can buy is 10pln including 10pln of credit |
| 15:31.33 | jacekowski | so manufacturing cost has to be under that |
| 15:31.38 | crashanddie_ | they don't use proper cryptography mate |
| 15:32.13 | crashanddie_ | I mean, trust me on this, I used to implement these systems and still consult on a regular basis for these companies |
| 15:32.47 | crashanddie_ | There is no company in the world that sells phone cards with cryptoprocessors on them. None, zit, nada. |
| 15:33.19 | crashanddie_ | They can't even afford to get good cryptoprocessors in their SIM cards, do you honestly expect them to have proper security in anything their margin is even lower on? |
| 15:35.18 | crashanddie_ | A pretty big insurance company rolled out 8000 smartcards for its employees without changing the smartcard master key -- anyone with a copy of the specific smartcard issuance software they used was able to modify the contents on the card. |
| 15:36.47 | crashanddie_ | security is at an abysmal level these days. And anyone with a decent understanding of electronics, and encryption/handshaking processes, plus a bit of hardware at his disposal (mainly card readers) could make a pretty nice living if he so desired |
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| 15:37.30 | jacekowski | 1. |
| 15:37.30 | jacekowski | of or like an abyss; immeasurably deep or great. |
| 15:37.30 | jacekowski | 2. |
| 15:37.31 | jacekowski | extremely or hopelessly bad or severe: abysmal ignorance; abysmal poverty. |
| 15:37.39 | jacekowski | definition 1 or 2? |
| 15:37.43 | javispedro | 2 |
| 15:38.17 | crashanddie_ | You know all the tolls in Europe? You can get through them with a hotel keycard. Don't need to skim anyone's card, you can make up a number |
| 15:38.32 | crashanddie_ | The only number you need to get right are the 4 first digits on the card, which indicates the bank |
| 15:38.34 | jacekowski | not really |
| 15:38.38 | crashanddie_ | yes, really. |
| 15:38.42 | jacekowski | on some of them you have to pay cash |
| 15:38.49 | jacekowski | and there is no electronic option |
| 15:38.52 | crashanddie_ | ok, automated tolls then |
| 15:38.56 | Shapeshifter | you say it's been bettr in th past? |
| 15:39.05 | crashanddie_ | I'm speaking of mainland europea, not polack land |
| 15:39.13 | javispedro | also, you can fake metro passes on most spanish cities =) |
| 15:39.14 | jacekowski | dartford crossing |
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| 15:39.16 | RST38h | [state-of-factly] Discovery, arrest, conviction, deportation to .PL |
| 15:39.37 | crashanddie_ | basically: as long as the toll system doesn't get to call in to your bank on the spot, you're good |
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| 15:40.07 | crashanddie_ | so 90% of highway tolls in Europe, 99% in USA |
| 15:40.10 | RST38h | javispedro: Washington Metro had the same data written to the ticket in both directions, so that the card could be inserted either way or something |
| 15:40.36 | RST38h | javispedro; For a while, people used that to get double rides |
| 15:41.38 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, yeah, the same thing was done in Kiev or some eastern city. Basically, at the exit of the station, you would give your ticket to someone who was traveling in the opposite direction |
| 15:41.53 | RST38h | crash: No, that is different |
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| 15:42.14 | crashanddie_ | well, yeah, but same principle -- re-use of same ticket |
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| 15:42.36 | RST38h | crash: Nope |
| 15:43.02 | RST38h | crash: What you are describing is possible when the gate lets you out of the station for free if you are leaving the same station you entered |
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| 15:43.25 | RST38h | crash: It is a really not a technological approach, rather epxloiting a policy loophole |
| 15:43.39 | javispedro | and even considering how deadly easy is to fake a metro pass, I wonder why people don't do it more often instead of simply not having any pass, risking the Eur50 fine. |
| 15:43.45 | crashanddie_ | erhm, no, that's not what I was talking about |
| 15:44.02 | crashanddie_ | nevermind |
| 15:44.08 | RST38h | crash: Dunno about Kiev, but Moscow metro gates charge you at the entrance |
| 15:44.21 | RST38h | crash: So, not possible, at least not here |
| 15:44.27 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: what kind of pass? faking one is a serious offence afaik |
| 15:44.32 | Shapeshifter | forgery |
| 15:45.19 | javispedro | it is, but it is also more harder to detect. |
| 15:45.28 | crashanddie_ | RST38h, jacekowski: another document that might be of interested: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/o/project/op/opacity/OPACITY%20Overview-v3-7.pdf |
| 15:49.29 | sjk | Hey! What's the secret repository I should add to app manager to be able to download stuff like zip/unzip? |
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| 15:50.48 | Mece | sjk, testing it seems: http://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip/ |
| 15:51.15 | crashanddie_ | sjk, please use ~ping rather than pinging people randomly |
| 15:51.30 | sjk | ~ping |
| 15:51.30 | infobot | ~pong |
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| 15:51.56 | Termana | crashanddie_, how do like that? |
| 15:51.58 | Termana | :D |
| 15:52.09 | crashanddie_ | [KB `Termana@#maemo] [y/n] |
| 15:53.01 | Termana | crashanddie_, strange. I CTCP FINGER'ed you |
| 15:53.16 | Shapeshifter | I have a problem on my n900. I've got 68mb free rootf, 4.1gb opt. Yet when I try to download something in microb to a folder in opt, e.g. .documents I get an error 'not enough memory in target location'. and that error just sticks in front of microb and doesn't even go away. I have to killall -9 browserd. in opera, the download simply never starts. and today, HAM told me it can't install some updates because of lacking space |
| 15:53.20 | Termana | crashanddie_, feel good to be FINGER'ed? |
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| 15:53.35 | crashanddie_ | that's enough |
| 15:53.45 | *** mode/#maemo [-q *!*@123-3-85-50.static.dsl.dodo.com.au] by ChanServ |
| 15:53.46 | javispedro | you're evil. |
| 15:53.53 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, hm |
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| 15:53.55 | javispedro | you're unevil. |
| 15:53.59 | lcuk | did you alter size of /home partition |
| 15:54.04 | lcuk | cos you shouldnt have 4.1gb in opt |
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| 15:54.29 | sjk | Why, oh why, is there not a zsh package? :) |
| 15:54.40 | Termana | Well, anyway, with that - I'm going to bed. Good night all |
| 15:54.46 | crashanddie_ | night |
| 15:55.33 | Shapeshifter | lcuk: I didn't mess with the partitioning at all |
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| 15:55.52 | Shapeshifter | uh sorry, I meant 4.1gb in mydocs |
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| 15:56.19 | lcuk | Shapeshifter, so, how much space for /home | opt then? :) |
| 15:56.56 | Shapeshifter | opt has 153mb. but .documents is in MyDocs.... |
| 15:57.24 | Shapeshifter | and microb and opera fail at downloading files of like 1mb |
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| 16:00.04 | n900-space | i just got my n900 back from a friend |
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| 16:00.56 | n900-space | he had it for 2 weeks, and i just noticed he has installed pr1.3 on it |
| 16:01.03 | n900-space | and the device is snappy :) |
| 16:01.08 | n900-space | i'm luving it |
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| 16:07.04 | kerio | n900-space: how could you do that |
| 16:07.16 | kerio | i wouldn't give my n900 away to save my mother's life |
| 16:07.23 | n900-space | :o |
| 16:07.40 | n900-space | well, it was away for a month actually |
| 16:07.44 | kerio | :O |
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| 16:08.14 | n900-space | 2 weeks to 1 friend and then he posted an excellent review of it and the other close friend he wants it for a week |
| 16:08.19 | n900-space | he kept it for 2 |
| 16:08.39 | n900-space | i'm luvin it today :$ |
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| 16:13.05 | psycho_oreos | I've noticed they've tried to push PR1.3 update through OTA, even if you didn't explicitly set to install the new PR1.3 packages.. it seems like the dependencies of the packages link back to PR1.3 so basically its to me forced :) |
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| 16:43.31 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: yep |
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| 16:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | I had not a single working pdate for PR1.2 apps since PR1.3 came out |
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| 16:45.00 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, pdate? prior date? |
| 16:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | update |
| 16:45.09 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 16:45.12 | psycho_oreos | ahh |
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| 16:45.43 | MohammadAG | Qt 4.7 |
| 16:46.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: if you'd were an user of my apps ;) |
| 16:48.05 | DocScrutinizer | wonders whom to give a good let know about that |
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| 16:51.20 | realitygaps | anyone else having problems adding a 3g connection in pr1.3? |
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| 16:53.01 | realitygaps | it only lets me add wifi connections and theres no option for packet data |
| 16:53.32 | psycho_oreos | you need fapn |
| 16:53.46 | realitygaps | psycho_oreos: thx will try that |
| 16:54.02 | psycho_oreos | realitygaps, nw |
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| 17:25.53 | tybollt | ~bitchslap |
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| 17:27.41 | _trine | the UK update to PR 1.3 worked today |
| 17:28.10 | _trine | 200.2 MB update |
| 17:28.26 | SpeedEvil | congrats. |
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| 17:28.54 | _trine | it wipes out everything you had on your phone though |
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| 17:29.31 | alterego | Wow, I sound like a really nice guy on paper. |
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| 17:29.52 | timeless_mbp | _trine: you don't need to reflash to do an upgrade |
| 17:30.02 | alterego | Maybe I should add "Serial Killer" to personal interests. |
| 17:30.08 | timeless_mbp | if you want to do an in place update, you need to ensure your system isn't horribly broken |
| 17:30.18 | timeless_mbp | 1. it must have space for an update. |
| 17:30.30 | timeless_mbp | 2. you must not have removed software the system relies on to do the upgrade |
| 17:30.56 | _trine | I just followed the update instructions on my phone |
| 17:30.58 | timeless_mbp | 3. you must not have installed software which conflicts with the upgrade (either by depending on versions to be replaced or refusing versions incoming) |
| 17:31.06 | SpeedEvil | wonders why there are no parallel killers. |
| 17:31.14 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 17:31.26 | timeless_mbp | _trine: your phone would offer you that if it isn't capable of doing an in place upgrade because of 1-3 |
| 17:31.36 | MohammadAG | kills Noobmonk3y with a 200mA pulse |
| 17:31.49 | timeless_mbp | goes off to panic() |
| 17:31.57 | psycho_oreos | let there be bloodshed? behold parallel killers? |
| 17:31.58 | Noobmonk3y | dies |
| 17:31.58 | _trine | timeless_mbp: it didn't say anything about other options |
| 17:32.11 | _trine | it just went ahead and up graded |
| 17:32.37 | _trine | then after it was completely erased to new |
| 17:32.56 | _trine | it's not so bad it's my wifes phone :P |
| 17:33.06 | _trine | I did hers first |
| 17:33.13 | _trine | jejjejeje |
| 17:33.31 | MohammadAG | kills perverted part of his mind with 20mA pulse |
| 17:33.43 | _trine | now I will have to install everything again |
| 17:33.47 | MohammadAG | sorry, I'm an asshole :P |
| 17:34.31 | _trine | MohammadAG: is there a new power kernel for 1.3 yet |
| 17:34.55 | MohammadAG | yes, with hostmode built in |
| 17:35.47 | _trine | MohammadAG: sorry my phone just rang bbs |
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| 17:39.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, central layout can be set at any time right? |
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| 17:39.25 | MohammadAG | i.e in runtime, it can be reset to something else, right? |
| 17:39.29 | alterego | MohammadAG: indeedly |
| 17:39.36 | alterego | Well, it always is set at run time :P |
| 17:40.05 | MohammadAG | yeah, just making sure that it can be set to something else |
| 17:41.02 | alterego | You'll need to delete the layout you were using though and any children it may contain to prevent a memory leak. |
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| 17:48.06 | MohammadAG | alterego, even if they're just buttons? |
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| 17:49.17 | alterego | If the buttons are parented to the layout, then if you delete the layout it'll delete all the buttons aswell. |
| 17:49.27 | alterego | (I don't remember if that's the case though :> |
| 17:49.39 | alterego | Pretty sure it is. |
| 17:50.14 | alterego | asks on #qt ^.^ |
| 17:50.37 | alterego | Aparrently they're not. |
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| 17:52.01 | alterego | Can I recommend creating a QWidget and instead of replacing the layout, replace the QWidget |
| 17:52.09 | alterego | Then if you delete the QWidget it'll delete everything associated with it. |
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| 18:00.59 | itsfm | hi, can anyone tell me what a little piece of paper with a red line through it where normally I would see 3G as a network status means (its next to the battery icon in the status top bar part). and when that showed up SMS stopped working |
| 18:01.07 | SpeedEvil | SIM error |
| 18:01.56 | itsfm | any tips on troubleshooting it? I can call out and receive calls and make data connections through t-mobile. |
| 18:01.59 | Noobmonk3y | brb |
| 18:02.55 | SpeedEvil | you can call out when this happens? |
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| 18:03.44 | itsfm | ya. its been constant 'broken paper' for the last 3 days. I have made plenty of calls, received plenty of calls as well as rebooted the phone several times. |
| 18:03.49 | ieatlint | itsfm: reseat the sim card and verify the contacts are clean |
| 18:04.08 | SpeedEvil | \Very odd |
| 18:04.15 | itsfm | ok. I'll try that again. nwo |
| 18:04.16 | itsfm | now |
| 18:04.18 | lardman|home | Any Python experts here? |
| 18:04.20 | SpeedEvil | If he (or she) can call out - the SIM is working |
| 18:04.30 | ieatlint | and yeah, with the sim error you shouldn't be able to call anything but emergency services :P |
| 18:04.41 | Macer | blah |
| 18:04.55 | Macer | anybody try easydeb meego yet? |
| 18:05.06 | Macer | was just wondering how functional it was |
| 18:05.37 | SpeedEvil | not emergency services in the UK |
| 18:06.08 | RST38h | http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,709345,00.html |
| 18:06.50 | SpeedEvil | \http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-11/06/c_13593358.htm |
| 18:07.18 | RST38h | They got him! THEY FINALLY GOT THE RABBIT! |
| 18:07.22 | lardman|home | well anyway, can one use sip to generate bindings for C code, and then cast a python object to said sip generated class? |
| 18:07.32 | lardman|home | s/C/C++ |
| 18:08.02 | itsfm | that didn't take care of it. another piece of info.. I have periods where i get floods of sms messages from monitoring systems and it seems like it became a problem when I was getting sms's about as fast as it would take them. |
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| 18:08.17 | itsfm | any other ideas? |
| 18:08.47 | DrWilken | could it be a problem with Your provider? |
| 18:08.48 | itsfm | I spoke to the provider (t-mobile) and they didn't see anything wrong. also when I try to send it fails right away. doesn't appear to even try to send it just instantly comes up failed to send sms |
| 18:09.00 | DrWilken | k |
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| 18:11.20 | javispedro | ~c++ |
| 18:11.31 | javispedro | infobot: do you hate c++? |
| 18:11.31 | infobot | yes, I hate c++. |
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| 18:11.44 | lardman|home | no takers for the Python question then....? |
| 18:11.59 | javispedro | omg. |
| 18:12.19 | MohammadAG | infobot, do you hate yourself? |
| 18:12.19 | infobot | yes, I hate yourself. |
| 18:12.28 | lizardo | lardman|home: try asking on #pyqt (if you are using SIP) or #pyside (if you are using the PySide generator) |
| 18:12.33 | MohammadAG | win/fail |
| 18:12.42 | lardman|home | lizardo: thanks |
| 18:14.13 | sivang | re all |
| 18:14.17 | sivang | lardman|home: which python ? |
| 18:14.33 | sivang | lardman|home: err, which question:) |
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| 18:17.06 | lardman|home | sivang: trying to implement Python scripting in a Qt app, just wondering if I can use SIP bindings so that I can cast the Python class object to a C++ class and then call methods on it |
| 18:17.24 | lardman|home | s/on/of |
| 18:18.04 | sivang | lardman|home: theoretically you can, but not sure SIP is the good choice for that |
| 18:18.20 | sivang | lardman|home: I would try and use the what pyside guys have produced, as a binding generator |
| 18:18.31 | andax | how can i check if the wifi sending power? i did set it 10 times lower than default and still have very good signal level 10 meters away from access point behind 2 walls |
| 18:18.39 | sivang | lardman|home: My own python project got stalled due to bad binding produced by SIP |
| 18:18.46 | andax | check if its really set |
| 18:19.02 | lardman|home | the alternative is to just grab a C++ reference to the Python class object and call the methods on that (in Python) and convert the answers to C++ variables |
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| 18:19.31 | lardman|home | sivang: I was trying to follow how web2sms got the bindings/Python-scripting-in-C++ working |
| 18:19.59 | _trine | MohammadAG: are you still here ? |
| 18:20.11 | tobis87 | andax: iwconfig should show the Tx-Power level |
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| 18:21.00 | tobis87 | or was it the signal, noice level? one of them. |
| 18:21.12 | lardman|home | the advantage of casting to a C++ class is that I could use signals and slots, etc. I'll take a look at how PySide does it |
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| 18:22.24 | MohammadAG | _trine, yes, unavailable for assistance due to fucked up device |
| 18:22.35 | Aranel | there was a xterm command to list all installed packages, what was it? |
| 18:22.41 | _trine | oh dear sorry to hear that |
| 18:23.31 | lardman|home | http://lynxline.com/qt-python-superhybrids/ looks interesting |
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| 18:27.41 | DrWilken | Aranel: dpkg -l |
| 18:28.01 | DrWilken | ii = installed, rc = configs left over (afair) |
| 18:29.02 | lardman|home | hmm, problem with my link above is that it requires a Python main(), while I want to call arbitrary Python classes from my C++ main (et al) |
| 18:30.15 | lardman|home | curses the many hours he has to spend arsing around with stuff like this and not getting any useful work done |
| 18:30.21 | sivang | lardman|home: I think this is already done for you through the pyside binding generation, and it was specifically made to allow the signals and slots, hop onto #pyside or mail the mailing list |
| 18:30.33 | lardman|home | ok, will try that |
| 18:30.50 | sivang | lardman|home: the project facilitator is one of the nicest guys I've met , and the brazilian guys are always happy to help and are smart as hell |
| 18:31.06 | lardman|home | cool |
| 18:31.20 | lardman|home | have to go do some washing up, will ask in a few minutes |
| 18:31.25 | lardman|home | :) |
| 18:31.31 | sivang | lardman|home: PySide is one of the favorites project in Nokia's ecosystem, and allowing others to create more qt style bindings were one of the goals in writing their own binding generator |
| 18:31.35 | sivang | lardman|home: :) |
| 18:31.38 | sivang | lardman|home: are you coming to dublin? |
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| 18:37.47 | andax | tobis87: i could not find something like Tx-Power: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/846124 |
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| 18:40.27 | sivang | is setting up a lenny chroot, again |
| 18:40.30 | sivang | bah |
| 18:40.32 | andax | should have been "dpkg -l | grep iwconfig" but doesnt make a difference |
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| 18:46.31 | andax | sivang: wrecked lenny? |
| 18:52.31 | sivang | andax: well, somehow I always manage to get the chroot halfly working with me having to do stuff like export TERM=xterm and export HOME=.. etc |
| 18:52.47 | sivang | andax: I follow the same doc everytime and the results are never the same :) |
| 18:54.58 | javispedro | :) |
| 18:55.20 | lardman|home | sivang: no, can't make it to Dublin, day job is really busy and I'm not sure if I'll even have my passport handy |
| 18:55.48 | lardman|home | in fact I almost certainly won't as I need to send it off tomorrow or the next day |
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| 18:59.06 | sivang | lardman|home: I see, okay, next time then. |
| 18:59.49 | andax | sivang: maybe you separately need to mount dev and proc too for more success |
| 19:00.14 | lardman|home | sivang: yeah sorry, I originally had a meeting planned for mid-way through the Meego Conf, so hadn't thought I could make it anyway |
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| 19:02.20 | MohammadAG | if anyone's interested, flashing the N900 takes real1m32.611s |
| 19:02.25 | tobis87 | andax: You need to be root. sudo gainroot and after that iwconfig |
| 19:02.31 | MohammadAG | as measured by 'time' |
| 19:02.57 | sivang | andax: yes, doing that after the chroot is ready but on the crapbook it didn't work so well, on the desktop more so :) |
| 19:03.07 | sivang | MohammadAG: you time the flasher from linux? |
| 19:03.20 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 19:03.38 | MohammadAG | I actually canceled my reflash half way through to measure it |
| 19:04.13 | sivang | MohammadAG: how did you cancel it half way through and still had usable device afterwards? |
| 19:04.56 | MohammadAG | you can't brick it |
| 19:05.09 | MohammadAG | I canceled it with ^C of course |
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| 19:07.03 | sivang | MohammadAG: so only on power failure it gets bricked since fs remains inconsistent? |
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| 19:07.41 | MohammadAG | no, it never gets bricked |
| 19:07.43 | andax | tobis87: i am root but there is no iwconfig though |
| 19:07.56 | MohammadAG | as in, never |
| 19:08.48 | sivang | MohammadAG: so how come many people got it bricked during reflash? |
| 19:09.24 | MohammadAG | they don't, they just misuse the term bricked |
| 19:09.30 | MohammadAG | wonders why his laptop's CPU's getting raped |
| 19:09.48 | MohammadAG | frets on fire, figures |
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| 19:14.26 | kerio | is frets on fire not shit nowadays? |
| 19:14.49 | MohammadAG | kerio, it's k |
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| 19:20.01 | Aranel | Can someone check his device to see if there's a librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so or not? |
| 19:20.05 | Aranel | librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 * |
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| 19:23.02 | MohammadAG | symlink |
| 19:23.16 | MohammadAG | haven't checked, but it's probably the same as the libhildon-im ones |
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| 19:25.42 | tobis87 | andax: It is part of wireless-tools: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5_armel.deb |
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| 19:33.15 | sivang | lardman|home: that's okay, I Know mysefl how it is with work and travel |
| 19:33.38 | sivang | lardman|home: it is just there are so many names here, who are involved with development, that I'd be nice to meet. |
| 19:33.40 | javispedro | wow, according to firefox I've typed gmail.com on my address bar 1692 times. |
| 19:34.37 | sivang | javispedro: interesting |
| 19:36.46 | Arkenoi | tried pigdin (for OTR plugin). OMFG it is ugliness itself. |
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| 19:44.41 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 19:45.22 | Aranel | MohammadAG: where was it? |
| 19:45.28 | Aranel | MohammadAG: I mean, which directory? |
| 19:46.22 | MohammadAG | /usr/lib |
| 19:46.52 | Aranel | MohammadAG: /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 ? |
| 19:47.17 | andax | tobis87: it says the package from your link is not compatible and "dpkg -l | grep wireless" gives no result :/ |
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| 19:48.50 | MohammadAG | Aranel, can't test, restoring apps |
| 19:48.59 | Aranel | MohammadAG: ok, thanks ^^ |
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| 19:53.52 | yacc | I wonder if there is a simple way to dim the display from the cmdline? |
| 19:54.41 | yacc | Basically when I connect USB, I'd like to dim the display (but not lock it, because I need the X11 server to still display something that x11vnc can capture)? |
| 19:55.48 | jacekowski | yes there is |
| 19:56.03 | jacekowski | but i don't remember |
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| 19:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 |
| 19:58.32 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 19:58.57 | nox- | moin |
| 19:58.59 | javispedro | where do I find hostmode? |
| 19:59.01 | Aranel | Looking for /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 - Can somebody kind enough upload it to somewhere? (It should be VERY small file) |
| 19:59.17 | javispedro | where can I find hostmode? |
| 19:59.22 | javispedro | bahh. |
| 19:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ??? o.O |
| 19:59.47 | javispedro | where can i find hostmode? |
| 19:59.52 | javispedro | ~where can i find hostmode? |
| 19:59.52 | infobot | hmm... hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 |
| 19:59.54 | javispedro | bah |
| 20:00.07 | javispedro | sorry, testing infobot's features.. |
| 20:00.48 | javispedro | such a feature might haven been useful, to parse "how can I X" sentences if X is in the fact database |
| 20:01.00 | javispedro | requiring the ~ character beforehand makes it useless... |
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| 20:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not like infobot to kick in on arbitrary conversations all the time |
| 20:02.12 | javispedro | well, maybe not for the entire set of facts.. |
| 20:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: on a /query with infobot, you don't need the ~ key |
| 20:02.31 | javispedro | yes, that's why I was testing here.. |
| 20:02.32 | javispedro | =) |
| 20:02.34 | DocScrutinizer | in fact you MUST omit it |
| 20:02.43 | javispedro | btw, meego tsg meeting |
| 20:02.49 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 20:02.51 | lardman|home | cu later chaps |
| 20:02.54 | yacc | jacekowski, hint what to look for? |
| 20:03.48 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: /etc/mce/mce.ini |
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| 20:04.43 | DocScrutinizer | I think you might set powersaving mode and timeouts to meet your needs |
| 20:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | "automagically" :-D |
| 20:05.16 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I don't want to do it everytime manually. |
| 20:05.26 | jacekowski | yacc: it was something in /sys iirc |
| 20:05.33 | jacekowski | yacc: or some dbus stuff |
| 20:05.36 | jacekowski | or some mce stuff |
| 20:05.59 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: and being plugged into USB is a give-away that the toy will be only accessed via VNC, ... |
| 20:06.41 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: WLAN contains less info, because connecting via wlan0 I still can be using the tablet as a tablet outside my homeoffice and have home wlan |
| 20:06.47 | babsher_ | has anyone used smscon? |
| 20:07.15 | luke-jr | peers at ieatlint |
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| 20:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: there's a "don't lock screen while charging" and there's a "powersave mode" or sth similar which aiui dims but not locks screen |
| 20:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if those two are mutually exclusive |
| 20:08.02 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: The idea is to speed up charging on USB, ... |
| 20:09.28 | DocScrutinizer | otoh I'd be surprised if this vnc thing would work with dim but not with lock |
| 20:10.17 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, dim is irrelevant to x11vnc, it's only interested in the RGB values of the pixels. Locking seems to blank the video buffer. |
| 20:10.35 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
| 20:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | there's for sure some way to manually force down brightness. Ask SpeedEvil |
| 20:11.29 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: x11vnc could not care less how much light backlights the pixels ;) |
| 20:11.33 | johnsq | yacc: try find /sys -iname "*backlight*" or xset or xbacklight |
| 20:12.57 | andax | when where at that point, when xonnecting to charger i would like to try connect to home wlan and home bluetooth |
| 20:13.12 | andax | automagically :) |
| 20:13.12 | yacc | echo 1 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness makes the display rather dim :-P |
| 20:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: you might automatize by calling the appropriate cmd (I guess some echo 5 >/sys/*/*/brightness) from dbus-scripting |
| 20:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | andax: you too |
| 20:14.36 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Not really that much of an issue, as I'm starting x11vnc from the host via ssh, so one ssh command from the host does not change anything :) |
| 20:15.07 | MohammadAG | yacc, the scale is from 0-255, so of course, 1 will indeed be dim |
| 20:15.17 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: as long as I need MadDeveloper to setup the usb0 device so it does not make the kernel panic, I'm in full manual setup mode anyway. |
| 20:16.21 | yacc | Anyway, when we are at it, is there a way to reboot the device the same way a kernel panic does (well, yes I could create a module that panics, but that seems drastic) => meaning no PIN question on startup? |
| 20:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: afaik any change in ambient light will reset your brightness to default |
| 20:17.46 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: there's two flavours of reboot cmds via dbus afaik |
| 20:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | see wiki |
| 20:18.14 | yacc | What's a cabc mode? |
| 20:18.17 | yacc | *wonder* |
| 20:18.21 | yacc | relating to the backlight? |
| 20:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | LCD? |
| 20:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it modulates backlight and contrast to safe power |
| 20:18.41 | jacekowski | yacc: there is way to reboot system |
| 20:19.15 | jacekowski | echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger |
| 20:19.25 | jacekowski | as root |
| 20:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | dunno what cabc means, but it could mean "content aware backlight change" |
| 20:20.02 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Fascinating, either my desktop LCD is to the dominating light source, or your theory does not workout, even after turning off the light in the office the display stays dim. :) |
| 20:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | see diffs between brightness and brightness-real (or whatever it's called) |
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| 20:20.44 | DocScrutinizer | lol, switch it on again! |
| 20:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | confirmed |
| 20:23.07 | DocScrutinizer | with simple brightness applet at least, the screen reverts to original setting when exposing device (ALS actually) to a bright source of ambient light |
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| 20:23.33 | jacekowski | that can be probably worked around somehow |
| 20:23.51 | jacekowski | simple gdb script could do the job |
| 20:24.07 | DocScrutinizer | maybe by deinstalling simple brightness applet |
| 20:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | or by nuking mce - it deserves getting nuked anyway |
| 20:24.50 | jacekowski | i mean disabling ambient light sensor, you can for example attach to process that's reading sensor |
| 20:25.05 | jacekowski | and then just close file responsible for it |
| 20:25.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's mce I guess |
| 20:25.09 | jacekowski | open another one |
| 20:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 20:25.13 | jacekowski | use dup2 |
| 20:25.24 | DocScrutinizer | evil hax0r |
| 20:25.25 | jacekowski | to replace that fd with something else |
| 20:25.30 | jacekowski | and detach |
| 20:25.44 | jacekowski | mce will not even know what happened |
| 20:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 20:26.11 | RST38h | evilly? |
| 20:26.25 | jacekowski | i used to do similiar trickery to get program from one terminal to another |
| 20:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | yay |
| 20:26.43 | ieatlint | luke-jr: hi |
| 20:27.10 | ieatlint | not avoiding you, just really busy :P |
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| 20:29.14 | yacc | Ok, that leaves me with 3 open tickets for the n900 (external charger for the exchange BL-5J, keyboard fixes for x11vnc [a stopgap would be to be able to enter Fn-Sym via vnc] and how to manage to use the webbrowser via vnc) :) |
| 20:29.23 | ieatlint | i'm at a weird nokia event where they're handing out n8s |
| 20:30.08 | jacekowski | yacc: you can remap your keyboard on host |
| 20:30.14 | jacekowski | yacc: or change map on n900 |
| 20:30.20 | jacekowski | yacc: but in both caes it's global change |
| 20:30.29 | jacekowski | ieatlint: where? |
| 20:30.32 | yacc | jacekowski, yeah, but I'm missing xmodmap on the n900. |
| 20:30.41 | ieatlint | santa clara, california |
| 20:30.55 | yacc | jacekowski, well, I wouldn't have any issues mapping the right KeySyms on the n900 to some non-existing keys :) |
| 20:30.57 | jacekowski | yacc: it's in tools repo iirc |
| 20:31.09 | yacc | jacekowski, so x11vnc can generate it. |
| 20:31.28 | ieatlint | http://www.ics.com/learning/qtforn8/ has a list of places where they're doing it next |
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| 20:32.24 | yacc | jacekowski, google does not yield a fast answer, tools repo? |
| 20:32.41 | yacc | jacekowski, cancel that. |
| 20:32.54 | yacc | jacekowski, extras-devel has it as a seperate package. |
| 20:33.09 | jacekowski | well, it's in tools repo as well |
| 20:33.31 | jacekowski | but i suppose extras-devel version is probably newer |
| 20:36.16 | yacc | Typing AltGr-w gives a D via x11vnc, fascinating, ... |
| 20:37.02 | jacekowski | n900 has different keyboard |
| 20:37.12 | jacekowski | and scancodes are not same as on pc keyboard |
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| 20:45.17 | javispedro | ah, wayland! |
| 20:45.19 | javispedro | shudders |
| 20:45.30 | RST38h | hehe |
| 20:45.49 | RST38h | RedHat people finally get their sweaty hands on the compositor? :) |
| 20:46.27 | javispedro | someone on slashdot said something about "those Unix haters have now gotten into leading future distributions' design decisions" ;) |
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| 20:48.12 | yacc | Ok, I managed to mess up the X11 server on the n900 just once :) |
| 20:48.49 | javispedro | wayland! |
| 20:48.53 | javispedro | shudders again |
| 20:49.31 | andax | jacekowski: where do you find scancodes for the n900? |
| 20:49.42 | RST38h | wayland, shmayland, give it a few years |
| 20:49.58 | RST38h | I would bet 7:3 that wayland will quietly die |
| 20:50.15 | javispedro | RST38h: my only hope here is that once distros start defaulting to it people start writing actual features to it until we end up with another useful mosnter like current Xorg. |
| 20:50.17 | javispedro | rinse and repeat. |
| 20:50.59 | RST38h | javispedro: and exactly the same performance |
| 20:51.38 | javispedro | there's some stuff in the X11 protocol that could get with a rewrite. |
| 20:51.43 | javispedro | well, there's QUITE some stuff. |
| 20:52.20 | javispedro | but IMHO the general ideas are still quite useful. |
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| 20:53.06 | andax | yacc: i managed to remove the theme (originally by accident) and am surprised by the performance gain, on the contrary some apps have problems now |
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| 20:53.42 | yacc | andax, how did you do that and what problems? |
| 20:55.31 | andax | yacc: now i have 24 windows open without messing x11 dramatically. problems like some missing buttons on windows, white text on white background (calendar app) |
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| 20:56.35 | andax | yacc: and photo app is crashing when i want change a photo name (i am not certain if it really has something to do with that) |
| 20:57.14 | yacc | That would suggest that you can get better performance by using a minimal theme? |
| 20:57.31 | andax | yacc: yes :) |
| 20:58.09 | andax | i have some screenshots to upload.... |
| 20:58.19 | javispedro | http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/iCar.jpeg |
| 20:59.04 | RST38h | iPorn |
| 21:02.58 | luke-jr | ieatlint: get me one? XD |
| 21:03.23 | ieatlint | i pasted a link with cities where you can :P |
| 21:03.47 | luke-jr | you can't just grab an extra? XD |
| 21:04.39 | ieatlint | nope, they're protecting their stock |
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| 21:06.29 | luke-jr | ieatlint: do you get to keep it? own or lease? |
| 21:06.35 | luke-jr | Miami is ~5 hrs from me |
| 21:06.45 | ieatlint | keep |
| 21:06.56 | ieatlint | but they're sneaky, you have to complete both days |
| 21:07.01 | luke-jr | o |
| 21:07.33 | ieatlint | yeah, they collected the damn phones at the end of yesterday |
| 21:07.40 | luke-jr | looks like registration isn't open yet |
| 21:08.06 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: Kathy wants a knitting counter ;) - http://bit.ly/aeey12 hehe |
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| 21:08.14 | lcuk | i know Noobmonk3y |
| 21:08.25 | luke-jr | wait, N8 is Symbian? |
| 21:08.39 | sivang | luke-jr: always has been |
| 21:08.43 | Noobmonk3y | ooo btw lcuk |
| 21:08.50 | luke-jr | oh, it's not N900 + 1? |
| 21:08.50 | Noobmonk3y | i figured out the qt mobility problem |
| 21:09.06 | lcuk | is in #meego atm |
| 21:09.15 | ieatlint | yes, it's symbian |
| 21:09.20 | ieatlint | n9 will be meego |
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| 21:09.44 | ieatlint | i'm learning all sorts of nasty horrific things about qt on mobile devices, and some symbian specific stuff |
| 21:09.59 | ieatlint | like if you want a kinetic scrolling list... then too fucking bad |
| 21:10.19 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 21:10.49 | andax | yacc: i will upload more as soon as i can, there is problem with the host atm: http://my.opera.com/ändäx/albums/show.dml?id=5225982 |
| 21:11.12 | luke-jr | maybe I'll go just for the Qt interaction and stuff |
| 21:11.14 | alterego | ieatlint: really? Kinetic scrolling has a class for that |
| 21:11.19 | alterego | Or you could implement it yourself. |
| 21:11.24 | luke-jr | not sure I care about a Symbian phone |
| 21:11.34 | alterego | I played with an N8 yesterday. |
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| 21:11.51 | ieatlint | alterego: please introduce me :) |
| 21:11.54 | alterego | It was alright, though I kept pressing the background behind dialogs instead of hitting the cancel button to my frustration. |
| 21:12.05 | ieatlint | yes, it supports it using the non-qt toolkit methinks |
| 21:12.17 | ieatlint | and maemo qt implements kinetic scrolling |
| 21:12.49 | ieatlint | but an app i wrote for maemo that runs otherwise fine on this n8 is missing the kinetic scrolling, and much fun on google has not given me anything good |
| 21:13.00 | alterego | Strange |
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| 21:14.51 | alterego | Strange, I guess it wasn't built into 4.6 |
| 21:15.02 | alterego | There's some code you can use though, as an example. |
| 21:15.23 | alterego | I really hope they release 4.7 for the N8 |
| 21:15.35 | alterego | QML is something that really needs to be on all their devices .. |
| 21:16.02 | ieatlint | yeah, there's a flickable demo app |
| 21:16.15 | ieatlint | don't have the time to parse through 1000 lines of undocumented code right now |
| 21:16.48 | sivang | ieatlint: that's not unknown, and there's work ongoing to make cross development easier, but if you could add your account of yoru porting experience, that'd be for great good :) |
| 21:17.06 | sivang | ieatlint: http://wiki.meego.com/Qt_across_(Maemo-)MeeGo_%26_Symbian |
| 21:17.25 | sivang | ieatlint: so also thp's experience with regards to opengl and other stuff |
| 21:17.26 | ieatlint | sivang: the softkeys stuff is also woefully documented... they don't make any of it at all clear |
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| 21:30.19 | blizzow | Anyone here have experience setting the SIP client up with the aptela VOIP service? |
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| 21:37.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | generally generic info on SIP provider's helppages, regarding setup of arbitrary softphones, should give all the info you need |
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| 22:01.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~botsnack |
| 22:01.44 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 |
| 22:04.43 | blizzow | DocScrutinizer51: That's what I thought would work, but the n900 sip client default setup only asks for an address and password. Is the address supposed to be the voip proxy? Is my address supposed to be in some other format $phonenumber@proxy...? |
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| 22:10.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | blizzow: my sipgate account works fine by $userid@sipgate.de |
| 22:11.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually userid is the phonenumber. Not for sipgate though, there it's the account number |
| 22:12.07 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: I had a friend back then that created me a sipgate account for no cost |
| 22:12.12 | sivang | those were the times... |
| 22:13.42 | blizzow | damn, I got it to login to my sip account, but now whenever I try and make a call, it just immediately disconnects. |
| 22:13.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | sipgate as well as several other providers still offer free accounts |
| 22:14.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | even with landline number for dial in |
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| 22:14.29 | blizzow | Ahhh, loose binding seems to have fixed it. |
| 22:15.05 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: I had a dialout number for free, not sure how |
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| 22:15.31 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: but only tol landlines inside EU |
| 22:16.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe he shared his flat rate account? |
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| 22:20.35 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: I guess, yes, flat rates were mentioned , do they still have this? |
| 22:20.44 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: I'll sub them myself these days |
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| 22:21.39 | mtnman | hello all |
| 22:22.01 | andax | o/ |
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| 22:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: sure there's quite a number of flat rate plans available. |
| 22:26.16 | DocScrutinizer | few of them with multiple landline numbers though |
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| 22:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: http://www.sipgate.de/user/tariffs.php |
| 22:28.47 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Well, it's hard (to prove that an account is used by multiple people) and easy (see, you use more than 2000 minutes a month, you abuser), ... |
| 22:29.15 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: the moment somebody connects an Asterisk PBX instead of direct SIP client, ... |
| 22:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 22:29.43 | DocScrutinizer | the problem are multiple inbound phone numbers |
| 22:30.17 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise, how to demux the inbound calls to a particular user? |
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| 22:31.15 | DocScrutinizer | sure you *could* configure * as an automated PBX and ask caller to dial number of extension |
| 22:31.50 | DocScrutinizer | kinda WTF though |
| 22:32.36 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: well, you can have multiple accounts for incoming calls, and use another one for outgoing,... |
| 22:33.07 | DocScrutinizer | will not work out properly with standard CLIR |
| 22:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | or was that COLP |
| 22:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | CLIP? |
| 22:33.37 | DocScrutinizer | meh, signalling your number to callee |
| 22:34.04 | yacc | yeah, so what, you use supressed numbers dialing out. |
| 22:34.30 | DocScrutinizer | sipgate offered to override default number signalling with an arbitrary string in username. I think they cancelled this |
| 22:34.41 | yacc | it's the same way like big PBXes use GSM modules to route some outgoing calls directly into the right network. |
| 22:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | yuk |
| 22:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | you must talk bout USA |
| 22:35.28 | trumee | sipgate is expensive |
| 22:35.37 | Arkenoi | wonders why there is default IM account used for XMPP contact, but no default SIP accounts |
| 22:36.14 | trumee | localphone offers the best rates for me. (betamax is cheaper but not reliable) |
| 22:36.53 | DocScrutinizer | sipgate is pretty cheap for *inbound* |
| 22:37.04 | DocScrutinizer | incl voicebox |
| 22:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | to a decent geographical landline number |
| 22:37.27 | trumee | i have a couple of *free* inbound nubmbers |
| 22:37.46 | DocScrutinizer | guess what I pay for sipgate :-P |
| 22:38.32 | DocScrutinizer | pretty cheap == to be beter they need to pay *me* |
| 22:38.51 | DocScrutinizer | for each inbound |
| 22:39.18 | trumee | sipgate gives you money for your calls? |
| 22:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | which actually was what my GSM carrier did until recently |
| 22:39.33 | DocScrutinizer | not sipgate, and not O2 anymore |
| 22:40.09 | trumee | coms.com use to handout free inbound numbers. not sure if they do it now. |
| 22:40.16 | DocScrutinizer | til ~2years ago O2 gave me 50ct for each hour inbound |
| 22:40.40 | trumee | Nice. |
| 22:41.17 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: sipgate does, always did, and probably will continue to do - free geaographical landline inbound, for every German resident |
| 22:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | (or Austria, UK) |
| 22:41.59 | trumee | orbtalk also used to give out free inbound numbers in UK |
| 22:42.28 | trumee | sipgate.co.uk, gives a free inbound number in UK? |
| 22:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | outbound is locked until you charge up your prepaid account |
| 22:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | except of tollfree numbers |
| 22:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: yep, afaik they do |
| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | for a long time you could get a UK number no matter who you are and where you live |
| 22:43.53 | trumee | i had voiptalk.com before i knew about free inbounds. so i am stuck with them. |
| 22:44.34 | trumee | sucks to give money to voiptalk.org since number cannot be ported. |
| 22:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | I think they changed this some years ago, due to legislation in UK changed |
| 22:45.24 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, you mean i can port my number from voiptalk.org to sipgate and make it a free inbound? |
| 22:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php |
| 22:45.49 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about porting number |
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| 22:47.26 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, website doesnt mention free geographic number? |
| 22:47.46 | DocScrutinizer | meh, what else? |
| 22:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php |
| 22:48.47 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:49.03 | trumee | cool |
| 22:49.26 | trumee | N900 is behaving better with my * server now. |
| 22:49.27 | DocScrutinizer | Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK |
| 22:50.12 | DocScrutinizer | this changed quite some time ago |
| 22:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | :-/ |
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| 22:51.09 | trumee | maybe orbtalk or coms give out free inbounds as they used to do before. |
| 22:51.46 | trumee | btw, does SIP on N900 support IM? |
| 22:52.29 | trumee | * server doesnt but maybe freeswitch supports it. |
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| 22:53.14 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/faq/index.php?do=displayArticle&article=13&id=225 |
| 22:54.35 | trumee | cheers |
| 22:56.55 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, did you try the vox app in repos. It supports MWI |
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| 22:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | o.O :-D |
| 22:58.16 | DocScrutinizer | I'd prefer twinklephone, but as things are twinklephone never will go qt4 |
| 22:58.21 | trumee | plus vox app lets you set your own server which is cool |
| 22:58.33 | trumee | ++ for twinkle |
| 22:59.04 | trumee | gentoo doesnt even carry it now since it depends on qt3 |
| 22:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol, sure ++ for twinkle, I'm twinkle's godparent |
| 22:59.42 | pupnik | confused |
| 22:59.51 | trumee | yeah, i used to follow group on yahoo. |
| 22:59.59 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 23:01.26 | trumee | hmm. vox app might be in ovi store |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 23:01.46 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is ovi? |
| 23:02.48 | trumee | Ovi, The Nokia Account authentication system is currently down. Please try again later. We apologize for the inconvenience. |
| 23:03.06 | trumee | crap. |
| 23:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ 1k itt-thanks |
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| 23:06.52 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=VoX_Mobile_VoIP&fldAuto=1797&faq=37 |
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| 23:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm |
| 23:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | looks darn like the standard client |
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| 23:15.18 | DocScrutinizer | Robot101: does telepathy as of standard maemo support MWI? |
| 23:16.20 | evilbulg1rian | hi, i cant seem to upgrade python2.5-minimal because pymaemo-optify cannot be installed but i see it as installed in dpkg -l |
| 23:16.29 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, standard client + MWI |
| 23:16.47 | DocScrutinizer | does the dialer support it, or has somebody (vox mobile) hacked it up? |
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| 23:17.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer, no telepathy doesnt support MWI. there is a bug number for that. |
| 23:17.17 | DocScrutinizer | meh, knew it |
| 23:17.46 | trumee | what did you mean by dialer support? |
| 23:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | prolly they implemented a local proxy sitting between telepathy and the internet, to filter and handle the MWI INFO msgs |
| 23:18.47 | trumee | yeah. could be. |
| 23:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | at least that's what I'd do |
| 23:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | I'd use zimmerman's ZRTP implemetation for a template |
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| 23:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | then throw out ~85% of the crypto and RTP related stuff, and add 7 sourcecode lines to deal with "INFO mwi" telegrams :-P |
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| 23:40.05 | rzr | 's n810 need to be reflashed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31645 |
| 23:40.39 | jacekowski | ~flashing |
| 23:40.39 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 23:41.21 | andax | &salesfeature=false |
| 23:41.59 | Aranel | I pushed XMP package to Extras 4 days ago and It's still not imported, why? |
| 23:42.13 | Aranel | Extras-Testing* |
| 23:44.11 | jacekowski | Aranel: name of package? |
| 23:44.18 | Aranel | jacekowski: XMP |
| 23:44.24 | Aranel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ |
| 23:44.44 | jacekowski | http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ |
| 23:45.13 | jacekowski | i've heard that there was something wrong with promotion |
| 23:45.18 | jacekowski | poke X-Fade |
| 23:45.29 | Aranel | X-Fade: |
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| 23:46.34 | Aranel | ok then, gtg It's 2am here :) good night and thanks for help =) |
| 23:46.49 | Aranel | I'm going to track this issue tomorrow. |
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| 23:48.26 | timeless_xchat | anyone here use jabber? |
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| 23:48.55 | jacekowski | i do |
| 23:48.57 | ieatlint | does gtalk count for you? |
| 23:48.57 | timeless_xchat | is partway through a script |
| 23:49.07 | jacekowski | i'm using real jabber |
| 23:49.17 | jacekowski | on my own ejabberd server |
| 23:49.40 | timeless_xchat | ieatlint: not today |
| 23:49.49 | timeless_xchat | jacekowski : cool |
| 23:50.11 | jacekowski | what do you need? |
| 23:51.48 | timeless_xchat | run that perl script on your n900 |
| 23:51.57 | timeless_xchat | *not* as root |
| 23:52.11 | timeless_xchat | it should generate 3 files in /tmp |
| 23:52.24 | timeless_xchat | well, in theory it might generate more |
| 23:52.36 | timeless_xchat | but i expect three |
| 23:52.51 | timeless_xchat | the idea is that most jabbers *suck* |
| 23:53.06 | timeless_xchat | and run both insecure and ssl w/ broken certs |
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| 23:54.06 | timeless_xchat | the goal is to retrieve the cert, generate a hosts line, update presence to use secure w/ hosts line |
| 23:54.07 | jacekowski | yeah ok |
| 23:54.17 | timeless_xchat | and two other bits |
| 23:54.24 | jacekowski | so what is that script doing |
| 23:54.31 | timeless_xchat | some bits would go into a postinst |
| 23:54.45 | timeless_xchat | it finds your jabber host(s) |
| 23:54.57 | timeless_xchat | and tries to connect using ssl |
| 23:55.17 | timeless_xchat | oh, it doesn't currently handle the "no ssl server" case |
| 23:55.21 | jacekowski | ah |
| 23:55.31 | timeless_xchat | goes to add that |
| 23:56.54 | jacekowski | it failed on mine |
| 23:57.32 | timeless_xchat | how? |
| 23:57.50 | timeless_xchat | (failure is expected, but i need details) |
| 23:57.56 | jacekowski | zz: ring/tel/ring |
| 23:57.56 | jacekowski | zz: spirit/skype/jacekowski0 |
| 23:57.56 | jacekowski | zz: gabble/jabber/jacekowski_40jacekowski_2eorg0 |
| 23:57.56 | jacekowski | zz: sofiasip/sip/jacekowskikowski_40sip_2efreeconet_2epl0 |
| 23:58.01 | jacekowski | that's what i have on terminal |
| 23:58.13 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900:~$ ls -la /tmp | grep jabb |
| 23:58.14 | jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 20 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits |
| 23:58.14 | jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 0 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits.cer |
| 23:59.10 | timeless_xchat | ok, so, either no ssl service |
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| 23:59.13 | jacekowski | nope |
| 23:59.15 | timeless_xchat | probably |
| 23:59.17 | jacekowski | i have ssl only server |
| 23:59.25 | timeless_xchat | hrm |
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| 23:59.28 | jacekowski | starttls only |
| 23:59.32 | jacekowski | with no legacy ssl |
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| 23:59.48 | timeless_xchat | what's in the non empty file? |
