| 00:00.08 | timeless_mbp | hrm |
| 00:00.17 | timeless_mbp | is in France |
| 00:00.20 | timeless_mbp | food is good here |
| 00:00.29 | timeless_mbp | or rather, Kosher food is good here |
| 00:00.30 | johnx | it works, huh? |
| 00:00.39 | timeless_mbp | doesn't live here |
| 00:00.40 | johnx | except they eat snails |
| 00:00.43 | timeless_mbp | nope |
| 00:00.45 | timeless_mbp | not kosher |
| 00:00.46 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 00:00.53 | johnx | they != you |
| 00:00.55 | timeless_mbp | oh, and I live in Finland |
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| 00:01.00 | timeless_mbp | and food is not good there |
| 00:01.02 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 00:01.23 | timeless_mbp | try s/live/grew up/ ? |
| 00:01.32 | johnx | maybe? |
| 00:01.47 | johnx | except you live someplace long enough and the food starts to seem "normal" |
| 00:01.53 | johnx | whatever "normal" means ... |
| 00:02.11 | timeless_mbp | yeah, we normally get crap for food :) |
| 00:02.17 | joga | I guess it's a matter of cooking skills ;p |
| 00:02.37 | timeless_mbp | to be fair, it also depends on your budget |
| 00:02.41 | johnx | joga, but even ingredients can be radically different if you travel far enough |
| 00:02.44 | johnx | also, yes, budget |
| 00:02.59 | timeless_mbp | good food is available in france, but it isn't free |
| 00:03.10 | timeless_mbp | it's unclear whether good food is available in finland |
| 00:03.19 | timeless_mbp | if it is, it'd cost even more |
| 00:03.21 | johnx | you can certainly get good cheese in Japan ... from an import store |
| 00:03.26 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 00:03.48 | joga | I've certainly eaten good food in finland but I'm not sure what you refer to by "good food" ;) |
| 00:03.53 | ltn | hey guys sorry to interrupt your chat but i was wondering if any of you guys had any problems with the email client on the n900 like crashes with the message internal error and if so how did u fix it :) |
| 00:04.03 | timeless_mbp | according to the thread, you can't in the US, due to USDA/FDA (?) |
| 00:04.24 | SpeedEvil | ltn: sorry - no clue. |
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| 00:04.27 | timeless_mbp | ltn: install crash reporter? |
| 00:04.38 | timeless_mbp | if you do that, someone could find out *why* you're crashing |
| 00:04.45 | timeless_mbp | and maybe something could happen.. |
| 00:04.47 | wmarone | johnx: you can, but cheese isn't what I'm after if I'm in Japan |
| 00:05.02 | johnx | wmarone, what are you after? :) |
| 00:05.03 | ltn | thx |
| 00:05.04 | timeless_mbp | wmarone: finding kosher food in Japan is hard |
| 00:05.13 | johnx | there are costcos now |
| 00:05.16 | timeless_mbp | so i'd need cheese and other simple things |
| 00:05.17 | wmarone | timeless_mbp: no doubt, considering how much of a minority it would be |
| 00:05.28 | timeless_mbp | wmarone: yep, sadly |
| 00:05.44 | timeless_mbp | johnx: sounds promising |
| 00:05.51 | timeless_mbp | outside tokyo too? |
| 00:05.55 | wmarone | johnx: curry (of various kinds), ramen, soba, udon, sashimi, all the bowls, etc. |
| 00:06.03 | wmarone | okonomiyaki, sukiyaki... |
| 00:06.06 | wmarone | drools |
| 00:06.25 | timeless_mbp | ramen/soba/udon are noodles |
| 00:06.33 | timeless_mbp | sashimi is a fish preparation style |
| 00:06.40 | johnx | wmarone, stay there long enough and sometimes you just want food that reminds you of "home" though |
| 00:06.41 | wmarone | I'm being general, here |
| 00:06.47 | timeless_mbp | can't remember which yaki is |
| 00:06.57 | wmarone | johnx: I know, spent a year there back in 2003 |
| 00:07.06 | timeless_mbp | hrm, speaking of which |
| 00:07.29 | timeless_mbp | Forbidden |
| 00:07.29 | timeless_mbp | You don't have permission to access / on this server. |
| 00:07.29 | timeless_mbp | Apache/1.3.39 Server at desert Port 80 |
| 00:07.32 | johnx | timeless_mbp, there are a couple outside tokyo |
| 00:07.41 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 00:07.47 | timeless_mbp | what kind of dns do i have here? |
| 00:08.19 | timeless_mbp | that's desert.numericable.fr fwiw |
| 00:08.41 | timeless_mbp | seems like a pretty stupid dns configuration |
| 00:08.42 | johnx | ah, something weird set for "servername" in apache2? |
| 00:09.09 | timeless_mbp | nah, dns set a default search of numericable.fr i think |
| 00:09.19 | timeless_mbp | and the canon name for the server must be desert.numericable.fr |
| 00:09.35 | timeless_mbp | since i asked for http://desert/ the server got upset |
| 00:09.42 | timeless_mbp | got upset too |
| 00:09.51 | alterego | Awww |
| 00:09.57 | johnx | uh yeah. but there is a "ServerName" variable in the apache config |
| 00:10.10 | timeless_mbp | otoh, i was looking for dessert |
| 00:10.28 | johnx | and that variable isn't related to DNS at all really |
| 00:10.49 | timeless_mbp | timeless-mbp:vbox-svn timeless$ cat /etc/resolv.conf |
| 00:10.54 | timeless_mbp | # Mac OS X Notice |
| 00:10.57 | johnx | what distro is this on? |
| 00:10.59 | timeless_mbp | domain numericable.fr |
| 00:10.59 | timeless_mbp | nameserver 192.168.0.1 |
| 00:11.14 | timeless_mbp | Darwin timeless-mbp.local 10.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 10.4.0: Fri Apr 23 18:27:12 PDT 2010; root:xnu-1504.7.4~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64 |
| 00:11.51 | johnx | timeless_mbp, grep -r -i desert $your_apache_conf_dir |
| 00:11.58 | timeless_mbp | eh? |
| 00:12.04 | timeless_mbp | i'm on timeless-mbp |
| 00:12.11 | johnx | <_< |
| 00:12.13 | timeless_mbp | desert != timeless-mbp |
| 00:12.23 | timeless_mbp | but we're both in *.numericable.fr |
| 00:12.29 | timeless_mbp | (presumably) |
| 00:12.45 | johnx | yeah. you're trying to figure out why it's returning desert as its Apache ServerName and I'm telling to that it's set in the apache config |
| 00:12.53 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 00:12.55 | timeless_mbp | i'm not |
| 00:13.11 | timeless_mbp | i'm trying to figure out why the isp was dumb enough to configure domain in its dhcp settings |
| 00:13.12 | johnx | ok, then don't worry about it I guess |
| 00:13.25 | timeless_mbp | which results in http://desert/ being resolved as desert.numericable.fr |
| 00:14.12 | johnx | ah |
| 00:15.26 | johnx | fun times |
| 00:15.44 | timeless_mbp | well, "partially resolved" |
| 00:15.49 | johnx | I think mac os x can get address only from DHCP and set DNS somewhere else |
| 00:15.55 | timeless_mbp | needs to ask people if we could change our behavior |
| 00:15.59 | johnx | linux should be able to as well, but it depends on your distro I guess |
| 00:16.12 | timeless_mbp | ? |
| 00:16.17 | timeless_mbp | sure, it could |
| 00:16.21 | timeless_mbp | but⦠|
| 00:16.27 | johnx | I've come to the conclusion that people can't really change their behavior ... |
| 00:16.31 | timeless_mbp | why can't i expect ISPs to not be stupid? |
| 00:16.45 | johnx | timeless_mbp, because if they weren't stupid they'd cost more |
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| 00:16.50 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 00:17.45 | johnx | you want stupid ISPs? Verizon lied to me for a year and a half, saying I couldn't get FiOS at work, when it had already been run to the building our office was in |
| 00:18.35 | johnx | then they actually got out of the "unprofitable" rural telecom business and pawned us off on a smaller company, who immediately offered us the FiOS server Verizon had already installed |
| 00:19.39 | muelli | hey folks. I'm trying to upgrade packages but it tells me that the rootfs is full. How could I gain more space? I tried the stuff from the wiki, but I only have 60MB free. |
| 00:20.07 | johnx | temporarily uninstall some games or themes? |
| 00:20.27 | johnx | could you link the wiki page so I know what you already tried? |
| 00:20.35 | muelli | sure. hang on a sec |
| 00:20.58 | johnx | ah, actually I wrote a little script to tell me what files were taking up the most space on / |
| 00:21.03 | muelli | http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space |
| 00:22.33 | johnx | give this a shot to see if it points out anything big that you didn't know about: http://pastie.org/1278153 |
| 00:25.24 | muelli | thx |
| 00:36.01 | alterego | I really wish there was a way to deploy from Qt Creator without all the packaging rigmarole. |
| 00:36.10 | alterego | Oh wait, I can just use a custom deploy strategy .. |
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| 00:39.01 | timeless_mbp | http://it.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1856232&cid=34142068 |
| 00:39.43 | nox- | :) |
| 00:39.44 | timeless_mbp | johnx: nice (re: fios/verizon) |
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| 00:43.34 | johnx | I just wonder how it's possible for a big ISP like that to have such incredibly poor sales tools. I mean, yeah, I except them to see tech support as a cost center, but sales? |
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| 00:59.09 | timeless_mbp | heh |
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| 01:01.08 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: the internal tracking on 171343 is great |
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| 01:06.58 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have any x11 (not hildon) apps handy on their n900? |
| 01:07.23 | timeless_mbp | actually, preferably *not* on, but ssh reachable :) |
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| 02:02.57 | mtnman | hello one and all |
| 02:03.21 | muelli | How much space is required to do the 1.3 upgrade? |
| 02:03.43 | ham5 | flash dont upgrade |
| 02:03.44 | johnx | muelli, think it says during the install process. don't use apt-get upgrade / dist-upgrade to do it. use app manager |
| 02:03.47 | ham5 | bout the same |
| 02:05.12 | bef0rd | the OTA upgrade is like 85 Mb |
| 02:05.47 | muelli | hm. |
| 02:06.19 | muelli | Well. I configured dir::cache to be in my home directory to save space for the downloads, but still won't let me upgrade :( |
| 02:07.38 | johnx | anything you can uninstall, then put back later? |
| 02:12.26 | muelli | johnx: I looked but I can't find anything :-\ I mean, I could, but it'll save just a few MB. Hence my question, how much space the upgrade needs. |
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| 02:18.05 | bef0rd | maybe is not about space, what error are you getting when trying to install de update? |
| 02:19.06 | muelli | bef0rd: "You need to use the PC in order to upgrade, please backup now, ..." |
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| 02:21.25 | muelli | "Memory required: 84MB". But apt-get dist-upgrade says, 29MB are required. |
| 02:23.24 | muelli | I have 68.2M available right now :-| I don't know where I could another 20MB :-\ |
| 02:24.45 | nox- | hm i only had 58 MB or so free iirc... maybe temporarily uninstall some packages? |
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| 02:28.30 | muelli | yeah. I'll try. But I wouldn't really wnat to deinstall everything and then figure out that I don't have enough space >.< Also, lots of packages don't install to rootfs, no? |
| 02:29.14 | summel | :o i want a facetime client |
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| 02:52.25 | kthomas_vh | how to solve authentication errors on wimax interface (or diagnose!)? |
| 02:52.34 | mtnman | hello one and all from a happy new n900 user |
| 02:53.31 | ham5 | questions mtnman or just like repeating yourself? |
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| 02:53.54 | ham5 | dont think n900 suports wimax |
| 02:54.25 | kthomas_vh | speak for yourself |
| 02:54.53 | ham5 | ? :\ |
| 02:55.01 | nox- | if it did, wouldnt be in the specs? |
| 02:55.04 | mtnman | well i did add a bit |
| 02:55.07 | nox- | wouldnt it |
| 02:55.18 | ham5 | nox sure would |
| 02:55.26 | mtnman | ok is there a channel to discuss non-maemo aspects of the n900? |
| 02:55.52 | ham5 | #wimax ? |
| 02:56.10 | kthomas_vh | http://maemo.org/maemo_release_documentation/maemo4.1.x/node10.html |
| 02:56.46 | ham5 | ... |
| 02:57.30 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: pong |
| 02:57.58 | SpeedEvil | n900 does not support wimax |
| 02:59.30 | ham5 | tada. |
| 02:59.36 | kthomas_vh | have you tried :P ? |
| 02:59.58 | nox- | its not in the specs, so why should it? |
| 03:00.24 | kthomas_vh | heh |
| 03:00.33 | SpeedEvil | I have inspected the hardware schematic, and found no mention of it. |
| 03:00.37 | ham5 | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=863020 |
| 03:00.40 | SpeedEvil | It's not there. |
| 03:01.04 | kthomas_vh | oh, you mean, it doesn't come with a wimax chipset onboard? |
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| 03:02.48 | ham5 | not very bright? |
| 03:03.01 | chem|st | kthomas_vh: are we talking 900 810 800 or 770? |
| 03:03.27 | kthomas_vh | :) |
| 03:03.35 | ham5 | 770 runs maemo? |
| 03:03.41 | kthomas_vh | chem|st, I have 810w and 900 |
| 03:03.53 | kthomas_vh | both with not auth to Clearwire in NYC |
| 03:03.58 | kthomas_vh | *will |
| 03:04.14 | chem|st | 810w is wimax edition n900 does not have a wimax edition |
| 03:05.02 | kthomas_vh | nope, *but* it does have microUSB |
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| 03:07.00 | chem|st | kthomas_vh: USB host-mode is still in alpha state and I doubt you will get any wimax-stick working yet |
| 03:07.07 | Termana | good morning |
| 03:07.17 | kthomas_vh | heh |
| 03:07.18 | chem|st | I mean properly... |
| 03:07.25 | kthomas_vh | ok, I'll buy that |
| 03:08.00 | chem|st | what is your problem connecting with 810 anyway? |
| 03:09.40 | kthomas_vh | sec |
| 03:11.30 | kthomas_vh | "Authentication failed. Try again?" |
| 03:11.59 | kthomas_vh | which may be a Clear problem, this is a new deployment alas |
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| 03:45.09 | NightShift79 | Hi guys. Could one tell me please where to find the latest theme source package template for maemo5 (N900) ? |
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| 04:33.24 | Macer | hm |
| 04:33.33 | Macer | is there an rdesktop for m5? |
| 04:34.08 | muelli | Macer: I guess. |
| 04:34.21 | Macer | muelli: not in extras |
| 04:34.34 | muelli | Macer: you can try the Debian package. |
| 04:34.38 | muelli | if there is any |
| 04:34.54 | Macer | i am checking testing and devel now |
| 04:35.46 | Macer | and is it me or does maemo.org not fit on an n900? :) i thought the site was set up to be looked at from maemo on a device |
| 04:37.38 | Macer | ah well. let me look around. i remember there being an rdp for maemo5 |
| 04:38.55 | Macer | ah ok... my bad. had the font size set to large |
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| 04:45.57 | Macer | found rdesktop in devel |
| 04:46.11 | Macer | wonder if pkgs are even maintained for maemo anymore |
| 04:46.25 | Macer | ah well. as long as it works |
| 04:46.34 | jd | some packages get updated frequently |
| 04:46.42 | jd | and others get updates once in a while |
| 04:46.52 | jd | there's some new ones from times to time stoo |
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| 06:14.03 | RobbieThe1st | Hello, all |
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| 06:34.02 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 06:34.06 | xDaReaperx | guys i have tiny problem with my Media player |
| 06:34.08 | RobbieThe1st | Hello |
| 06:34.20 | xDaReaperx | it stops playing my songs in middle at times |
| 06:34.26 | xDaReaperx | without informing any problem .. |
| 06:34.31 | xDaReaperx | happens rarely |
| 06:34.45 | RobbieThe1st | Done any OCing? |
| 06:34.46 | xDaReaperx | actually happend twice yesterday when i was hearing |
| 06:34.50 | xDaReaperx | no i didn't |
| 06:34.56 | xDaReaperx | never OC'd my N900 |
| 06:35.05 | RobbieThe1st | does the media player actually -crash- or just stop? |
| 06:35.09 | xDaReaperx | no crash |
| 06:35.12 | xDaReaperx | just stops playing |
| 06:35.18 | xDaReaperx | i have to play again and then it works fine |
| 06:35.24 | xDaReaperx | dosent happen always * |
| 06:35.28 | RobbieThe1st | can you resume from where you were before? |
| 06:35.33 | xDaReaperx | no |
| 06:35.42 | xDaReaperx | the seeker moves back to first |
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| 06:35.47 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... what earphones do you have? |
| 06:35.51 | xDaReaperx | Nokias |
| 06:35.54 | xDaReaperx | Nokias * |
| 06:36.06 | RobbieThe1st | These tracks you have are on MyDocs, right? |
| 06:36.13 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 06:36.15 | xDaReaperx | in the .sounds file |
| 06:36.21 | xDaReaperx | all my tracks are there |
| 06:36.40 | RobbieThe1st | Ok, lets try this: 1. connect it to your PC, and use USB mode |
| 06:36.46 | xDaReaperx | ok hold |
| 06:37.07 | RobbieThe1st | 2. Open my computer, right-click on your "nokia n900" drive, select properties |
| 06:37.29 | xDaReaperx | USB mode? |
| 06:37.32 | xDaReaperx | mass storage ? |
| 06:37.34 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 06:37.38 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 06:37.55 | xDaReaperx | then |
| 06:38.01 | RobbieThe1st | 3. I forget which tab it is, but one of them has chkdsk(checkdisk). |
| 06:38.16 | RobbieThe1st | you want to run it, and select any "fix automatically" options |
| 06:38.27 | xDaReaperx | error checking ? |
| 06:38.33 | xDaReaperx | in tools ? |
| 06:38.36 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 06:38.39 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 06:38.52 | RobbieThe1st | I'm on Linux; it's been quite a while since I've run a Windows PC, sorry. |
| 06:38.54 | xDaReaperx | its checking |
| 06:38.58 | xDaReaperx | Oh okay |
| 06:39.01 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 06:39.05 | xDaReaperx | how did you know i ran Windows ? |
| 06:39.13 | RobbieThe1st | I guessed |
| 06:39.18 | xDaReaperx | and did you face such media player problems before ? |
| 06:40.02 | RobbieThe1st | Not on my n900, no(at least, not this sort of thing). On a previous player, yes. But, it sounds to me like one of two things: |
| 06:40.26 | RobbieThe1st | 1. disk corruption, it (possibly intermittantly) not being able to read and stopping. |
| 06:40.35 | xDaReaperx | oh ... hmmm |
| 06:40.37 | psycho_oreos | under linux you use fsck |
| 06:40.48 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 06:41.02 | xDaReaperx | ok it fixed the errors |
| 06:41.12 | RobbieThe1st | Did it say there -were- any errors? |
| 06:41.13 | xDaReaperx | i'll have to play some music and test it over time now |
| 06:41.17 | xDaReaperx | hmm no i didn't say |
| 06:41.26 | xDaReaperx | just said successfully scanned |
| 06:41.27 | RobbieThe1st | Ok, well either way |
| 06:41.28 | xDaReaperx | and fixed |
| 06:41.59 | xDaReaperx | is it because i'm using these WebOS games |
| 06:42.07 | xDaReaperx | which leaves behind so many sound files |
| 06:42.16 | xDaReaperx | like around 600 |
| 06:42.19 | RobbieThe1st | If you have it stop on a specific track again, try to play that track like five times. make sure it goes all the way through, or if it stops, does it stop in the same place? |
| 06:42.24 | RobbieThe1st | Nah, shouldn't matter. |
| 06:42.46 | RobbieThe1st | A note though: the Media Player won't index any files in a folder named "Private" |
| 06:42.47 | xDaReaperx | it stops in the same place |
| 06:42.55 | xDaReaperx | nop nothing is private |
| 06:43.00 | xDaReaperx | no folder of such |
| 06:43.13 | RobbieThe1st | No, so I mean, you can -make- such a folder and copy your files into that |
| 06:43.32 | xDaReaperx | oh hmm oh okay the sound files for games |
| 06:43.36 | xDaReaperx | okay |
| 06:43.44 | RobbieThe1st | Also, it may continue to do the same stopping. That means there is an error in the track itself, and you need to re-copy it over from your PC |
| 06:44.07 | xDaReaperx | if there was an error in the track it wont play well on the PC |
| 06:44.16 | xDaReaperx | and it only happens at times on the N900 that it stops playing |
| 06:44.38 | RobbieThe1st | but sometimes it'll play that track all the way through? |
| 06:44.43 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 06:44.53 | xDaReaperx | only at times it stop all of a sudden |
| 06:45.07 | RobbieThe1st | And always at the same place, right? |
| 06:45.11 | xDaReaperx | hmm i think it happens with the radio also |
| 06:45.20 | xDaReaperx | i've checked my connection nothing wrong wiith connection |
| 06:45.36 | xDaReaperx | Hmm probably when the songs end |
| 06:45.41 | xDaReaperx | dosen't happen only with one song |
| 06:46.18 | xDaReaperx | the internet radio i mean |
| 06:46.22 | RobbieThe1st | Well, with the media files, my best guess are slowly failing bits of your flash. It happens commonly, but in this case it's trying to read it and not always able to. |
| 06:46.30 | RobbieThe1st | Not sure about that |
| 06:46.52 | xDaReaperx | hmm should i open a bug list about this ? |
| 06:47.00 | RobbieThe1st | You may also want to try downloading KMPlayer and using that instead, or one of the other alternative players. |
| 06:47.10 | RobbieThe1st | Nah, wait until you've seen that it's this(or not this) |
| 06:47.17 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay |
| 06:47.23 | xDaReaperx | I'll get KMplayer and try it |
| 06:47.31 | RobbieThe1st | Because if you have a bad file/disk error, that's what it -should- do |
| 06:47.32 | xDaReaperx | but first i'll test it again on my normal MP |
| 06:47.45 | xDaReaperx | oh .. okay |
| 06:47.54 | RobbieThe1st | Otherwise, it'd do something like crash |
| 06:48.23 | xDaReaperx | i never crashed that i'm sure of |
| 06:48.27 | xDaReaperx | it just stops |
| 06:48.33 | xDaReaperx | and the seeker comes back to the start |
| 06:48.45 | RobbieThe1st | Yea; so it's -probably- running into some sort of error. |
| 06:48.54 | xDaReaperx | hmm yes could be |
| 06:49.44 | xDaReaperx | can this happen if i lock the screen ? |
| 06:49.46 | xDaReaperx | while playing |
| 06:49.50 | xDaReaperx | i mean the slider lock |
| 06:49.55 | RobbieThe1st | no, it shouldn't |
| 06:49.58 | xDaReaperx | hmm ok |
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| 06:50.43 | RobbieThe1st | If it does continue to do this, there are a few tests that can be done, see where exactly things are going wrong |
| 06:50.45 | xDaReaperx | thanks anyways |
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| 06:50.54 | xDaReaperx | okay tell me the tests |
| 06:51.01 | xDaReaperx | i'll try them |
| 06:51.01 | RobbieThe1st | I dunno |
| 06:51.35 | psycho_oreos | I'd probably look into strace for example |
| 06:51.47 | xDaReaperx | strace ? |
| 06:52.32 | RobbieThe1st | psycho_oreos: Isn't there a log or something? |
| 06:53.25 | psycho_oreos | xDaReaperx, string trace I believe it is and it traces what is going on with the program, CLI tool only |
| 06:54.02 | RobbieThe1st | You -may- also get some output by: 1. Open an xterminal window. 2. type "mediaplayer", press enter, then launch the media player. You may or may not get any information when things happen |
| 06:54.17 | RobbieThe1st | You'd see it in the xterminal window |
| 06:54.20 | xDaReaperx | oh okay |
| 06:54.23 | xDaReaperx | command line fine |
| 06:54.27 | xDaReaperx | i'll see hold .. |
| 06:54.52 | RobbieThe1st | You won't see -any- output normally(I see one line when you close the media player, but that's it) |
| 06:55.00 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 06:55.01 | xDaReaperx | hmmm |
| 06:55.10 | RobbieThe1st | But if it crashes/stops |
| 06:55.12 | psycho_oreos | no I tried that, it won't fork to foreground |
| 06:55.17 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, not that I know of |
| 06:55.31 | xDaReaperx | okay |
| 06:55.32 | psycho_oreos | lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 13 2010-05-12 04:12 /usr/bin/mediaplayer -> maemo-invoker |
| 06:55.45 | RobbieThe1st | psycho_oreos: Then why does it give a filter error upon closing the media player? |
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| 06:56.24 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, I suppose the filter error are just output as in STDERR rather than outputting to a file |
| 06:57.00 | RobbieThe1st | Yea. But wouldn't that be what we want? |
| 06:57.53 | xDaReaperx | i assume that would give me a detailed log ? |
| 06:58.32 | RobbieThe1st | I don't know what, if any, logs are kept by the Maemo media player |
| 06:58.37 | xDaReaperx | hmm |
| 06:58.46 | xDaReaperx | anyways i can't CD to /usr/bin/mediaplayer |
| 06:58.52 | xDaReaperx | to run maemo-invoker |
| 06:58.57 | RobbieThe1st | It's not a directory |
| 06:58.59 | xDaReaperx | okay |
| 06:59.24 | RobbieThe1st | /usr/bin/mediaplayer is symlinked to /usr/bin/maemo-invoker |
| 06:59.48 | RobbieThe1st | This means that when you run /usr/bin/mediaplayer, it actually runs maemo-invoker |
| 06:59.55 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 07:00.00 | xDaReaperx | okay fine |
| 07:00.03 | xDaReaperx | i get it |
| 07:00.06 | RobbieThe1st | In your case though, we just want to run /usr/bin/mediaplayer - |
| 07:00.37 | RobbieThe1st | Note that /usr/bin is in what's known as the $PATH. This means that, from any directory, typing "mediaplayer" will launch that file |
| 07:01.15 | RobbieThe1st | So, typing '/usr/bin/mediaplayer' will do the same thing as just typing 'mediaplayer' |
| 07:01.19 | psycho_oreos | it doesn't output the stuff to the file unless it crashed.. there might be another way of looking at it, that is to install syslogd |
| 07:01.28 | xDaReaperx | i typed mediaplayer i wont launch |
| 07:01.44 | psycho_oreos | mediaplayer just runs in the background, like I tested |
| 07:01.44 | RobbieThe1st | No, it won't |
| 07:01.53 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 07:02.11 | RobbieThe1st | type that, press enter, then open the media player from your normal media player widget/launch icon |
| 07:02.18 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 07:02.19 | RobbieThe1st | without closing your xterm window |
| 07:02.46 | xDaReaperx | okay did that |
| 07:02.50 | xDaReaperx | so when i close media player |
| 07:03.04 | RobbieThe1st | Now, play whatever track you had problems with |
| 07:03.06 | xDaReaperx | it might give me a single line report of only if there were crashes ? |
| 07:03.10 | xDaReaperx | yes playing it |
| 07:03.33 | RobbieThe1st | You may see information in xterm if there's an error with media player. |
| 07:03.41 | xDaReaperx | hmm okay |
| 07:03.51 | RobbieThe1st | You will -also- see an extra line when you close the media player |
| 07:04.14 | psycho_oreos | interesting it does, but I don't have the same issue, when I close mediaplayer from the GUI side it exits with two lines printed |
| 07:04.15 | xDaReaperx | Oh |
| 07:04.24 | RobbieThe1st | What do you see? |
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| 07:04.55 | psycho_oreos | Attempt to remove filter function 0x42f5a1f0 user data (nil), but no such filter has been added | Init: 0x46567270 <--- mind you this is from my n900 (pr1.2 with custom kernel and setup) |
| 07:05.03 | xDaReaperx | it said attempt to remove filter function 0x417e11f8 user data (nil) , but no such fileter has been added |
| 07:05.18 | xDaReaperx | PR 1.3 Nokias kernel here |
| 07:05.20 | RobbieThe1st | RST38h: Know anything about debugging media player errors? |
| 07:05.41 | RobbieThe1st | I've got a PR1.3 n900 with the PR1.2-power40 kernel |
| 07:05.50 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 07:05.57 | RobbieThe1st | But it shouldn't matter |
| 07:06.01 | RST38h | not really |
| 07:06.20 | psycho_oreos | I suppose one will need to whip out gdb :) |
| 07:06.24 | RST38h | but, of course, upgrading to a proper kernel is the obvious first step |
| 07:06.59 | psycho_oreos | afaik PR1.2 and PR1.3 kernel remains the same |
| 07:07.19 | RobbieThe1st | I thought they added some patches? |
| 07:07.41 | RobbieThe1st | RST38h: It's xDaReaperx's error, nor mine |
| 07:07.42 | psycho_oreos | in any case the errors is related to a memory pointer |
| 07:08.41 | psycho_oreos | yeah they did added patches but none that I'm aware of were related to kernel.. at least the kernel version between PR1.2 and PR1.3 remained the same.. unless they have extra patches compiled and not change the version for kernel |
| 07:08.44 | RobbieThe1st | RST38h: he/she's having's having problems with files stopping in the middle. I had him/her run chkdsk, not sure if that fixed the problem |
| 07:08.47 | RST38h | Whoever's error it is, he should be running the official kernel |
| 07:09.03 | RobbieThe1st | I think he/she is. |
| 07:09.19 | RobbieThe1st | We, however, aren't. |
| 07:10.10 | psycho_oreos | person in question is xDaReaperx |
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| 07:10.55 | xDaReaperx_ | see this : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=18440 |
| 07:11.05 | xDaReaperx_ | that RipTorn guy has the same problem |
| 07:11.13 | xDaReaperx | hmm but thats with some other MP |
| 07:11.17 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 07:11.39 | RobbieThe1st | Though, wait... it may be using the same media engine |
| 07:11.50 | RobbieThe1st | == same underlying player, just a new front end |
| 07:11.52 | xDaReaperx | oh |
| 07:11.55 | xDaReaperx | ya |
| 07:12.01 | xDaReaperx | probably , but i don't know about Canola |
| 07:13.02 | RobbieThe1st | Before we go any farther, though... did your problem get fixed? |
| 07:13.18 | xDaReaperx | no i'm still testing it |
| 07:13.36 | xDaReaperx | i'm playing the 3rd song now continuous |
| 07:13.47 | xDaReaperx | no stop yet |
| 07:14.08 | RobbieThe1st | k |
| 07:16.12 | RobbieThe1st | I'm gonna play some TF2(via Wine! :P) so my responses'll be late. |
| 07:16.19 | xDaReaperx | ok |
| 07:16.37 | xDaReaperx | if there are any errors i'll paste it here |
| 07:17.47 | RobbieThe1st | k |
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| 07:23.47 | xkr47 | hi |
| 07:24.53 | xkr47 | I tried to make a irc.desktop file which I stored in ~/.local/share/applications/hildon and it shows up fine in the "all applications" browser, but when I try "Add shortcut", it is not in the list. Any idea? |
| 07:26.05 | xkr47 | here's the contents: http://pastebin.com/ApThRdyz |
| 07:26.17 | xkr47 | oops sorry |
| 07:27.20 | xkr47 | here: http://pastebin.com/uJxHLbLJ |
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| 07:43.22 | ilius | upgrading maemo5 via Faster Application Manager ... there is 1049 packages!! :-/ |
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| 07:45.34 | xDaReaperx | Fast App manager is not really fast |
| 07:45.54 | xDaReaperx | if it fails to update any catalogs it wont let you install apps |
| 07:52.14 | ilius | xDaReaperx: but no problem for me! |
| 07:52.32 | ilius | xDaReaperx: it updates catalogs |
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| 07:52.48 | xDaReaperx | i gotta delete some catalogs that dont update |
| 07:52.56 | xDaReaperx | like the Mozill beta update catalog |
| 07:53.01 | xDaReaperx | Mozilla * |
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| 07:59.05 | RobbieThe1st | Eh... apt-get update & apt-get upgrade are far better than the package manager |
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| 08:41.23 | ilius | update completed successfully via faster application manager |
| 08:42.46 | ilius | that even don't say "don't touch your phone! don't open any application! ..." |
| 08:42.59 | ilius | and not prompt for restart |
| 08:45.01 | kerio | inb4 brick |
| 08:47.07 | MohammadAG | fapman was fast |
| 08:47.19 | MohammadAG | the dev added stuff that wasn't needed |
| 08:47.30 | MohammadAG | like moving package lists to /opt/fapman |
| 08:50.16 | RST38h | won't that save space though? |
| 08:53.25 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 08:54.22 | MohammadAG | not really, since the package lists are already in /opt/var |
| 08:54.33 | RobbieThe1st | ah |
| 08:54.45 | MohammadAG | so basically, I have two copies of my lists |
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| 09:14.49 | Gorroth | unf |
| 09:14.55 | Gorroth | i got ettercap to build for maemo |
| 09:15.14 | Gorroth | now i just need to test it and submit a package for it |
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| 09:17.21 | peb | Gorroth, Congratulation! |
| 09:18.31 | Gorroth | thanks |
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| 09:20.14 | Gorroth | oh, i guess i also need to package up libnet |
| 09:20.20 | Gorroth | but i'll do that after testing |
| 09:21.16 | karname | Hi , I installed multiboot , after reboot I haven't any option in boot menu , and I see only a 30 sec loop and nothing done . can anyone help me ? |
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| 09:27.48 | sivang | morning |
| 09:30.40 | peb | morning Sivang ... |
| 09:31.10 | karname | Isn't any help to me ? |
| 09:31.19 | peb | Short question, does anyone know on the top of his head where the call(er) log is stored? The info which numbers where called or I called ... |
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| 09:50.31 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 09:50.49 | jpinx-ee1pc | g'evening... |
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| 09:55.56 | MohammadAG | modest may suck, but it's easier to set up than the N8's email |
| 09:55.59 | MohammadAG | app |
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| 09:58.13 | Noobmonk3y | wakes up... slightly |
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| 10:00.02 | MohammadAG | pours cold water on Noobmonk3y |
| 10:00.09 | Noobmonk3y | farts |
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| 10:00.33 | nidO | the N8 at least has the option of using profimail though |
| 10:00.57 | MohammadAG | port thunderbird or something |
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| 10:05.30 | Shizzza | hi folks. coulsd you plz tell me what's the theme template to use? I started making themes with madde, but i think "hildon-theme-example-stskeeps-hildon-theme-example-stskeeps-master.tar" is not up do date... I'm good in graphics, but I have not that much coding skills. Could one point me the right direction ? Thank you |
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| 10:14.14 | Shizzza | hmmm,,, no one? |
| 10:15.37 | ArkAnGiCIA | no sorry |
| 10:19.36 | MohammadAG | what does off peak and peak mean? |
| 10:20.21 | jpinx-ee1pc | MohammadAG: depends on context - usually tarrifs for electricity/phone conntections/etc |
| 10:20.36 | MohammadAG | email |
| 10:20.51 | jpinx-ee1pc | fucknoes :) |
| 10:21.00 | jacekowski | ussualy that means that you can use it cheaper when you don't want to use it |
| 10:21.14 | jpinx-ee1pc | jacekowski: for email? |
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| 10:21.22 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 10:21.38 | jacekowski | maybe he's paying for e-mail traffic on his phone |
| 10:22.59 | jpinx-ee1pc | ah - phone/internet tarrif makes sense |
| 10:23.46 | jpinx-ee1pc | but probably applies to all internet connections, not just email -- my plan has timings too, for all traffic |
| 10:25.43 | MohammadAG | k, wost email experience on a symbian device goes to the N8 |
| 10:25.47 | MohammadAG | worst |
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| 10:30.15 | RobbieThe1st | Ouch. I'd think the n900'd be worse... |
| 10:30.40 | RobbieThe1st | considering how much everyone likes to hate on it... |
| 10:33.21 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, I've entered the password about 20 times, it's right, I'm sure of it |
| 10:33.28 | MohammadAG | my email works fine |
| 10:33.30 | MohammadAG | but the N8 isn't mine |
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| 10:39.43 | BJ_Covert_Action | Hey guys, I've been poking around google and maemo.org a little bit but I can't quite find a straight answer...is there any effort or movement underway to get some version (official or not) of Flash 10.2 on Maemo 5? |
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| 10:41.35 | RobbieThe1st | Well, the leaked version from TI works OOTB if it gets stuck in |
| 10:42.02 | RobbieThe1st | though, its A, not legally distributable, and B, has no hardware accelleration... so not much better than what we have now |
| 10:42.17 | BJ_Covert_Action | Ah, I see |
| 10:42.22 | RobbieThe1st | TweakFlashSwitcher does wonders for a lot of sites |
| 10:42.32 | RobbieThe1st | *tweakflashversion |
| 10:42.40 | BJ_Covert_Action | Yeah, I was looking at that in some of the threads I've been reading |
| 10:42.53 | RobbieThe1st | It works. It's good |
| 10:42.59 | PaulFertser | Boycotting flash does even more wonders. |
| 10:43.30 | BJ_Covert_Action | Yeah, except then it limits my access to half the web |
| 10:44.27 | BJ_Covert_Action | I know there are some 10.2 or 10.1.xxxx versions of flash for some other debian based OSes, so I was kind of curious to see if any effort had gone into recompiling or reverse engineering one of those |
| 10:44.42 | PaulFertser | BJ_Covert_Action: that's some strange web you've got there... |
| 10:45.43 | BJ_Covert_Action | Well maybe not half the web, but half the web I access at least...I visit a lot of motorcycle sites...and some others, and a lot of those like to build their primary interfaces in flash |
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| 10:47.05 | timeless_mbp | frowns |
| 10:47.09 | timeless_mbp | there's a flash 10.2?? |
| 10:47.24 | timeless_mbp | I thought TI was demoing 10.1 |
| 10:47.34 | peb | This week I got curious faces on a couple of colleagues because I'm still using PERL (Mason) + CGIs on my websites ... |
| 10:47.42 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 10:47.48 | timeless_mbp | peb: because it works and stuff? |
| 10:48.15 | timeless_mbp | BJ_Covert_Action: so um |
| 10:48.21 | timeless_mbp | Flash is *not* open source |
| 10:48.21 | peb | timeless_mbp: the statement was, no one does Perl/cgi websites at this times. my response was: I do, and it works ... |
| 10:48.27 | timeless_mbp | it isn't remotely close to open source |
| 10:48.37 | timeless_mbp | reverse engineering it is really not on the table in the civilized world |
| 10:48.44 | ruskie | gnash |
| 10:48.46 | timeless_mbp | but if you want to steal something |
| 10:48.50 | timeless_mbp | please don't ask for help here? |
| 10:49.09 | timeless_mbp | as for whether vendors (Nokia) are working on providing a newer version of flash... |
| 10:49.11 | RobbieThe1st | There -is- gnash, but it's not good enough quite yet, even on the desktop |
| 10:49.15 | timeless_mbp | that's a question for Marketing |
| 10:49.27 | timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: there's an understatement if i ever saw one |
| 10:49.35 | BJ_Covert_Action | I was just trying to get a feel for what is out there timeless, that's all |
| 10:49.36 | timeless_mbp | does it support flash 7 yet? |
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| 10:50.02 | ruskie | is glad he doesn't need flash for any sites |
| 10:50.09 | timeless_mbp | BJ_Covert_Action: the fact that you couldn't get a straight answer from maemo.org should make the answer pretty clear |
| 10:50.14 | timeless_mbp | no one who knows is allowed to give one |
| 10:50.26 | timeless_mbp | and yes, i'm annoyed |
| 10:50.35 | BJ_Covert_Action | Well I never found any threads asking the question directly |
| 10:50.43 | timeless_mbp | i actually got direct correspondence from TI asking me to remind people that the TI binaries were for Vendors to test |
| 10:50.46 | timeless_mbp | not for End users |
| 10:50.48 | BJ_Covert_Action | I just stumbled on some where it was brought up as a side topic |
| 10:51.13 | timeless_mbp | generally speaking Nokia doesn't make public commitments it isn't absolutely certain it can keep |
| 10:51.14 | RobbieThe1st | I'm not sure - I tried using it to play an animated video - It ended up with a highly variable framerate: It would go really slow for some scenes, then run a lot faster for others, ending up with the audio out of sync and it looking like someone with an old projector cranking it by hand |
| 10:51.27 | timeless_mbp | because if you do make commitments to customers, and you don't keep them.... |
| 10:51.30 | timeless_mbp | customers get annoyed |
| 10:51.44 | timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: nice |
| 10:52.07 | timeless_mbp | from an engineering perspective, and from the perspective of people who actually use our own products |
| 10:52.12 | timeless_mbp | we'd love to see 10.1 out there |
| 10:52.28 | timeless_mbp | but we obviously can't endorse theft |
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| 10:52.30 | timeless_mbp | or leaks |
| 10:52.31 | timeless_mbp | or ... |
| 10:52.39 | maybeArgh | murder? |
| 10:52.43 | timeless_mbp | well, that might be ok |
| 10:52.48 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 10:52.52 | timeless_mbp | but only paper pushers |
| 10:53.03 | RobbieThe1st | Definately |
| 10:53.09 | BJ_Covert_Action | I was just asking to see, Flash and a few other things have given me headaches on Linux OSes before |
| 10:53.27 | BJ_Covert_Action | So before I take the plunge and dump $400 on an N900, I want to see what I will and won't be able to do with it |
| 10:53.32 | RobbieThe1st | That's an understatement |
| 10:53.45 | timeless_mbp | BJ_Covert_Action: flash has better integration on mobile than most desktop linux's |
| 10:53.45 | RobbieThe1st | Eh, one, you can get one for $300 or so. |
| 10:53.53 | timeless_mbp | it happens to be slightly dated at this point |
| 10:54.00 | BJ_Covert_Action | used on ebay, yeah...I haven't seen new ones for that low |
| 10:54.03 | timeless_mbp | but it's 9.5 codec level, not 9.0 iirc |
| 10:54.04 | BJ_Covert_Action | I realize that |
| 10:54.19 | RobbieThe1st | And, I find that with flash switcher youtube works great |
| 10:54.21 | timeless_mbp | i'm not sure how many sites are annoying enough to require newer |
| 10:54.26 | BJ_Covert_Action | but I am not particularly worried about new and flashy (no pun intended) as long as it plays nice with some of the things I want to use it for |
| 10:54.37 | timeless_mbp | but keep in mind that sites that ask for 10.1 probably ask for a cpu that's 5x more powerful than your n900 |
| 10:54.39 | RobbieThe1st | Most do, but using a version-changer fixes everything I have seen |
| 10:54.41 | BJ_Covert_Action | that's good to know, thanks Robbie |
| 10:54.45 | timeless_mbp | so just giving them 10.1 won't magically fix things |
| 10:54.49 | MohammadAG | if only one person could get a license to distribute it |
| 10:54.59 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: got 10million USD handy? |
| 10:55.03 | timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure it could be arranged |
| 10:55.08 | timeless_mbp | not quite sure that's enough... |
| 10:55.09 | RobbieThe1st | timeless_mbp: Isn't flash 10.1 supposed to be hardware-accelerated? |
| 10:55.14 | MohammadAG | yeah, just a sec... |
| 10:55.23 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: no hurry, you can get back to me ;-) |
| 10:55.23 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, on desktops, yes |
| 10:55.34 | RobbieThe1st | What about on Android? |
| 10:55.36 | timeless_mbp | RobbieThe1st: sure, bring your own engineers to do the acceleration |
| 10:55.40 | MohammadAG | actually, on desktops with windows |
| 10:55.52 | MohammadAG | RobbieThe1st, not accelerated on android |
| 10:55.52 | timeless_mbp | Adobe won't release it to platforms w/o the acceleration implementation |
| 10:55.55 | timeless_mbp | if it's missing, no go |
| 10:55.55 | BJ_Covert_Action | Meh, I've gotten 10.1 running on an old laptop with Puppy Linux that has worse hardware than the N900...it's slow, but usable |
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| 10:56.27 | timeless_mbp | companies for some reason seem to want an image that shows _quality_ |
| 10:56.40 | timeless_mbp | not just the ability to deliver useless buggy crap |
| 10:56.48 | timeless_mbp | (not sure why, i mean everyone loves crap, right?) |
| 10:57.10 | kerio | timeless_mbp: adobe missed that boat a long time ago |
| 10:57.13 | nidO | sometimes, crap is indeed preferable to nothing |
| 10:57.19 | RobbieThe1st | Problem is, they end up with failing crap, instead of buggy crap |
| 10:57.35 | timeless_mbp | nidO: it's all about who's observing |
| 10:57.48 | timeless_mbp | adobe doesn't sell to users |
| 10:57.56 | timeless_mbp | it sells to devs and vendors |
| 10:58.04 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, though the problem here isn't adobe is it... |
| 10:58.05 | timeless_mbp | vendors want to know that the content they create will look the same everywhere |
| 10:58.19 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: i haven't seen the contract |
| 10:58.34 | timeless_mbp | i don't absolutely _know_ that adobe can't release its own 10.1 for maemo |
| 10:58.35 | kerio | timeless_mbp: that implies that the content they create will LOOK everywhere |
| 10:58.48 | timeless_mbp | kerio: content is inanimate |
| 10:58.54 | timeless_mbp | so i don't think it implies anything of the kind =b |
| 10:58.59 | kerio | heh |
| 10:59.26 | timeless_mbp | animated content aside :o |
| 10:59.32 | MohammadAG | Adobe Air would be nice |
| 10:59.40 | timeless_mbp | i'm still waiting for Silverlight |
| 10:59.50 | kerio | oh god |
| 10:59.51 | timeless_mbp | Nokia made the mistake of announcing it w/ Microsoft a while back |
| 10:59.52 | MohammadAG | ms crap? |
| 10:59.59 | timeless_mbp | hey, they *promised* it! |
| 11:00.07 | timeless_mbp | i wanted to watch the olympics |
| 11:00.08 | nidO | Silverlight's nice |
| 11:00.12 | MohammadAG | didn't they promise 10.1 too? |
| 11:00.15 | timeless_mbp | but no, someone dropped the ball |
| 11:00.20 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: url? |
| 11:00.24 | timeless_mbp | i can find urls for silverlight |
| 11:00.40 | kerio | timeless_mbp: http://madshakespeare.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/calvin-and-hobbes.jpg |
| 11:00.43 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, for? |
| 11:01.07 | timeless_mbp | oh wow |
| 11:01.13 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: a promise |
| 11:01.46 | timeless_mbp | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/213678.asp |
| 11:01.48 | timeless_mbp | boggles |
| 11:01.56 | timeless_mbp | apparently ms actually lived up to their promise |
| 11:02.07 | timeless_mbp | > Microsoft has released Silverlight, its Adobe Flash competitor, to manufacturers for Nokia's Symbian operating system. That means developers can now deploy Silverlight applications on the popular mobile platform. The technology is available at the Ovi store for Nokia S60 fifth-edition devices. |
| 11:02.11 | timeless_mbp | > Posted by Nick Eaton at July 6, 2010 1:15 p.m. |
| 11:02.20 | timeless_mbp | totally missed that |
| 11:02.27 | kerio | >symbian |
| 11:02.33 | kerio | >dead |
| 11:02.41 | MohammadAG | <agrees |
| 11:02.56 | maybeArgh | so nokia fullfilled its promise |
| 11:03.00 | timeless_mbp | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/microsoft-nokia-to-port-silverlight-to-symbian-phones/1236 is a ref to the commitment |
| 11:03.08 | timeless_mbp | maybeArgh: i'm as shocked as you are |
| 11:03.14 | RobbieThe1st | I wonder about darklight... |
| 11:03.34 | RobbieThe1st | or moonlight, whatever the OSS clone is |
| 11:03.38 | nidO | moonlight. |
| 11:03.39 | timeless_mbp | moonlight |
| 11:03.46 | timeless_mbp | kerio: i'm quite happy to see it die |
| 11:03.51 | timeless_mbp | but being dead isn't relevant |
| 11:03.58 | kerio | miguel de icaza is a douche |
| 11:03.58 | timeless_mbp | being able to keep a commitment is and was my point |
| 11:04.06 | timeless_mbp | and surprisingly enough, they actually managed to do it |
| 11:04.15 | timeless_mbp | wonders where silverlight for the n900 is |
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| 11:04.23 | maybeArgh | what is this n900 you speak of |
| 11:04.23 | timeless_mbp | > Microsoft and Nokia also will port Silverlight to Nokia Series 40 and Internet tablet devices, Microsoft said. |
| 11:04.31 | maybeArgh | i'm not sure anybody at nokia has ever heard of this n900 |
| 11:04.38 | timeless_mbp | well, the n900 is an "internet tablet device", of course :) |
| 11:05.08 | timeless_mbp | maybeArgh: i met ~10 nokians this past week |
| 11:05.22 | timeless_mbp | most of whom work in areas outside maemo-meego |
| 11:05.32 | timeless_mbp | and most of them had or where rather familiar w/ n900s |
| 11:05.38 | MohammadAG | is writing to /sys possible with QFile? |
| 11:05.43 | maybeArgh | don't tell nokia management |
| 11:05.46 | maybeArgh | you might get them in trouble |
| 11:05.51 | nidO | the original plan was supposedly to have silverlight support by meego 1.1, did that ever happen? |
| 11:05.53 | timeless_mbp | maybeArgh: heh |
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| 11:06.14 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: do you want to be in #maemo-qt or #qt-maemo ? |
| 11:06.17 | timeless_mbp | or just #qt? |
| 11:07.06 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: plenty of people have been asking questions about Qt |
| 11:07.07 | kerio | timeless_mbp: with or without a ##? |
| 11:07.14 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: and frankly, I think it's fair game. |
| 11:07.19 | ShadowJK | timeless_mbp, I'm shocked to see that "where" from the minister of english composition :) |
| 11:07.33 | BJ_Covert_Action | Okay, I have another general maemo question: How does Maemo handle connecting to WPA encrypted networks? Is it relatively straight forward or does one have to manually hack around with WPA supplicant or something similar? |
| 11:07.59 | maybeArgh | works out of the box with my n900 at least |
| 11:08.01 | nidO | wpa2 works fine, wpa is flaky |
| 11:08.10 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, I found the people there to be quite less helpful than the ones here |
| 11:09.05 | lcuk | MohammadAG, writing to /sys branches is the same no matter what framework you use - its permissions based |
| 11:09.07 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: *eep*, *shame* |
| 11:09.14 | maybeArgh | although i do only get rather underwhelming performance with my wifi network at home, but that may very well by my router's fault |
| 11:09.15 | timeless_mbp | http://blogs.adobe.com/flashplatform/2010/06/flash_player_101_for_mobile_av.html#comment-1336 looks like Adobe is blaming Nokia |
| 11:09.24 | MohammadAG | lcuk, ty |
| 11:09.24 | timeless_mbp | oh well. blame nokia, please do so by complaining to Nokia Care |
| 11:09.35 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking of getting rid of system()s |
| 11:09.37 | BJ_Covert_Action | nidO: what about WPA2 Personal Mixed? Doesn't that run a combination of WPA 2 and WPA? Or something like that? Does that run flaky? |
| 11:09.39 | timeless_mbp | include an actual site you can't use because it requires Flash 10.1 |
| 11:09.49 | maybeArgh | BJ_Covert_Action: that's what i run at the moment |
| 11:10.08 | timeless_mbp | providing a test site is not useful as it's liable to get you ignored as a troll |
| 11:10.09 | MohammadAG | system("echo hostf > /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/mode"); doesn't look like it's the right way(TM) |
| 11:10.20 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: lol |
| 11:10.32 | maybeArgh | BJ_Covert_Action: works well, but i "only" get around 400-500kbyte/sec transfer rates |
| 11:10.45 | BJ_Covert_Action | maybeArgh: okay, well it sounds like it's easier to work with than my outdated laptop and my outdated network cards on Ubuntu then... |
| 11:11.09 | lcuk | MohammadAG, since that runs in same scope as your app you could of course try an alternative |
| 11:11.14 | maybeArgh | basically all i had to do on the n900 was show available wifi networks, pick mine, enter key, be happy |
| 11:11.26 | lcuk | make intermediate scripts which are added to sudo |
| 11:11.27 | BJ_Covert_Action | hmmm, hopefully I can add my N900 to my NAT and streamline more data throughput than that for it... |
| 11:11.30 | lcuk | then called with system () :P |
| 11:12.10 | MohammadAG | lcuk, doesn't system() launch a separate shell each time you call it? |
| 11:12.18 | crashanddie | timeless_mbp: Maemo is already pretty much extinct as a project. If we can't help this community veer into something logical (a "community", perhaps), we might as well just shut the channel and website down right away. I think it's been a long time since Maemo handled almost any Linux-based portable paraphernalia. |
| 11:12.23 | lcuk | MohammadAG, sure |
| 11:12.33 | MohammadAG | lcuk, then it's not memory effecient |
| 11:12.36 | MohammadAG | efficient even |
| 11:12.45 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: how long are these calls? |
| 11:13.03 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: if it lasts only a second or two, memory efficiency is relative. |
| 11:14.17 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, it's only an echo |
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| 11:14.28 | MohammadAG | wouldn't QFile be better anyways? |
| 11:14.28 | maybeArgh | by the way... that kind of wifi transfer rates are you guys getting? because 500kbyte/sec doesn't appear to be that much... |
| 11:14.33 | ShadowJK | the echo needs root surely |
| 11:14.53 | MohammadAG | the whole app is launched as root ShadowJK |
| 11:14.58 | ShadowJK | I get over megabyte/s with scp. would be faster without the encryption |
| 11:15.07 | RobbieThe1st | Hey guys, would you mind giving this user's topic a look over? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65204&page=3 He seems to be having problems with a reboot loop after flashing |
| 11:15.17 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, everything hostmode related needs root :) |
| 11:15.17 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: then no perm problems |
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| 11:15.39 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, I'm not worried about those, but I'm just wondering if QFile would be better than system() |
| 11:15.51 | BJ_Covert_Action | Alright, well thanks for the info guys, I'll probably be back a few more times before I buy something |
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| 11:15.55 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: well, it depends how you treat your code |
| 11:16.22 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: I don't know the under-the-hood logic of QFile, but I'm guessing it's pretty straight forward C (or C++) underneath. |
| 11:17.20 | crashanddie | MohammadAG: so, just do a quick benchmark, open a file 100 times and write, flush buffers and close. Do it once in QFile, once with system |
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| 11:18.15 | crashanddie | if you can't be bothered to do a benchmark like that, just use QFile and mark in your code that "At the time of writing, I'm not sure whether QFile is the fastest option here, but at least it's pure Qt code. Alternatives would be system() call to shell script" |
| 11:19.38 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: those echo cmds are deprecated for userland anyway. You should have a script (let's call it jrbme) which is part of sudoers, and you call that script by "sudo jrbme --stopbme --vboost on --hostf", and that's it |
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| 11:20.33 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure, thats the sort of thing i meant. the adding to sudoers is the important part tho |
| 11:21.01 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: it's not userland, considering that it's an app calling it -- it's just helper functions wrapped in a different language |
| 11:21.11 | DocScrutinizer | no, the correct script and complete system design is the important part |
| 11:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: an app isn't userland? what?? |
| 11:23.12 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, making scripts for all functions of hostmode is worse than launching the whole app as root |
| 11:23.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: if jrbme is started instead of bme on system startup, then you don't need any suduers entry |
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| 11:23.54 | MohammadAG | it's launched as root anyways (if launched by upstart or whatever it's called (init?)) |
| 11:23.55 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: sorry, thought jrbme was just a script that included all the logic to echo 1> to differnet files |
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| 11:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | k, me's away again, as I'm repeating myself here, and I took a way off to chill |
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| 11:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | s/way/week/ |
| 11:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | s/ way/ week/ |
| 11:28.43 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: take care |
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| 11:41.17 | crashanddie | anyway, going to spain to buy fags |
| 11:41.18 | crashanddie | later |
| 11:46.04 | alterego | Get me some |
| 11:46.05 | alterego | :) |
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| 11:58.35 | Jartza | unggh. snowing... |
| 11:59.17 | timeless_mbp | in HEL? |
| 11:59.19 | timeless_mbp | wah |
| 11:59.27 | timeless_mbp | doesn't have snowboots @LYS |
| 11:59.36 | timeless_mbp | left them @HEL thinking they were deadweight |
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| 12:00.28 | Necc | afternoon |
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| 12:01.01 | Necc | someone would be so nice to help me re-activate the swap partition after i screwed it up? :) |
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| 12:05.19 | chem|st | MohammadAG: ping |
| 12:05.24 | chem|st | ehrm pong |
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| 12:06.56 | alterego | Anyone had any problems installing i2c-tools recently? |
| 12:07.50 | Necc | swapon: /dev/mmcblk0p3: Invalid argument -> anyone could help me solving this, please? |
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| 12:08.01 | chem|st | Necc: go ahead make my day! |
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| 12:08.20 | chem|st | Necc: no ":" |
| 12:09.03 | Necc | there's no ':' |
| 12:09.16 | Necc | [~]# swapon /dev/mmcblk0p3 |
| 12:09.16 | Necc | swapon: /dev/mmcblk0p3: Invalid argument |
| 12:09.38 | Necc | same happens when i type also "swapon -a" |
| 12:10.29 | Necc | digging /usr/bin/genfstab.awk if i may screwed up something, but no luck so far |
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| 12:15.06 | Necc | also here's the partition table: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/4469013/temp/pt_table |
| 12:18.58 | chem|st | Necc: a .bin? |
| 12:19.47 | chem|st | Necc: is there a mmcblk0p3? |
| 12:20.28 | chem|st | erm ok browser is dump |
| 12:20.58 | Necc | doh if you need extension, it is a .txt |
| 12:21.38 | Necc | also i followed description of: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.237:_arbitrary_size_for_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_.28PR_1.2.2F3_compatible.29 |
| 12:21.56 | muelli | hm. should mp-fremantle-generic-pr=20.2010.36-2 be installed on my N900 with PR1.3? |
| 12:22.52 | chem|st | Necc: did you mkswap? |
| 12:22.55 | Necc | "mp-fremantle-generic-pr is already the newest version." -> nop |
| 12:23.22 | muelli | Necc: so you have it installed..? Do an apt-cache policy :) |
| 12:23.40 | Necc | nop, not made mkswap :/ |
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| 12:23.52 | Necc | done, working :D |
| 12:24.01 | chem|st | Necc: you are welcome |
| 12:24.09 | Necc | thx :) |
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| 12:24.35 | Necc | damn i forgot so many linux commands since school... i tought it is auto-formatted |
| 12:25.18 | Necc | muelli: i installed PR1.3 via reflash from the zero (fiasco+vanilla) and not just tried to install it |
| 12:25.59 | muelli | Necc: I don't get it. What does apt-cache policy mp-fremantle-generic-pr say? |
| 12:26.55 | Necc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:27.03 | Necc | i think you look for this line only |
| 12:27.15 | muelli | hm |
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| 12:28.22 | muelli | it breaks for me: The following packages have unmet dependencies: mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 (= 1:1.2.6-5+0m5) |
| 12:29.19 | Necc | can i ask another question? after executing the command: "tracker-processes -r" the default image viewer goes insane, and i loose the abilities to: 1) filter 2) open images from the file browser (it says "unable to open non-local images") |
| 12:29.21 | muelli | Necc: what is the full output of apt-cache policy libsdl-mixer1.2? I.e. does it list 1:1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 from http://repository.maemo.org? |
| 12:30.11 | Necc | libsdl-mixer1.2: |
| 12:30.11 | Necc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.11 | Necc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.45 | Necc | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:30.45 | Necc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 12:34.37 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
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| 12:34.49 | Noobmonk3y | am i right in thinking the latest qt creator etc uses 4.6? |
| 12:36.05 | Noobmonk3y | oh no... 4.7.0 |
| 12:36.07 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmm |
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| 12:38.15 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, update if you're on 4.6 |
| 12:38.23 | Noobmonk3y | trying to figure out how too! |
| 12:38.33 | MohammadAG | help -> start updater |
| 12:38.54 | Noobmonk3y | no option in qtcreator? |
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| 12:39.44 | MohammadAG | that is in Qt Creator :P |
| 12:40.08 | Noobmonk3y | its not in mine :| |
| 12:40.36 | Noobmonk3y | contents, index, context help, about qt creator, about plugins |
| 12:40.40 | Noobmonk3y | thats all i have under help |
| 12:41.32 | Noobmonk3y | i think the creator is fine, but under options and qt versions i have QT for fremantle PR1.2Device, i assume i need PR1.3 devices |
| 12:41.47 | MohammadAG | how did you install it? |
| 12:42.01 | Noobmonk3y | erm, can't remember, but downloaded from the nokia site i assume |
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| 12:42.09 | mc_teo | so hey |
| 12:42.21 | MohammadAG | Nokia Qt SDK? |
| 12:42.29 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 12:42.38 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, http://i52.tinypic.com/sl5p53.jpg |
| 12:42.51 | Noobmonk3y | Moh.... me not got that :| |
| 12:43.10 | MohammadAG | you iz hated |
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| 12:49.51 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/35725020-8e6a-4b31-b160-89c45f638c02 |
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| 12:51.28 | Noobmonk3y | = fail |
| 12:51.50 | Noobmonk3y | i even had two extra rashers of bacon this morning, and i still fail! |
| 12:53.56 | mc_teo | how can i install pyqt? |
| 12:54.08 | mc_teo | its a new version now yeah? |
| 12:54.17 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, mm |
| 12:54.28 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, MohammadAG -> http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/b5dda07f-bf99-4f28-b0fe-c2619a689496 |
| 12:54.36 | Noobmonk3y | thats what makes me think i am made of fail :( |
| 12:54.39 | lcuk | i cant watch screencast, on battery |
| 12:54.55 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 12:54.59 | Noobmonk3y | its just a picture |
| 12:55.00 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
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| 12:58.08 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, thats a bit worrysome |
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| 12:58.14 | Noobmonk3y | :| :| |
| 12:58.20 | Noobmonk3y | do i have a borked sdk? |
| 12:58.40 | Noobmonk3y | QTCreator V 2.0.1 |
| 12:59.07 | mc_teo | how can i install pyqt? |
| 12:59.21 | mc_teo | version 4.7 now? |
| 12:59.28 | mc_teo | pr1.3 |
| 12:59.31 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, no you just have one thats a bit out of date, but the windows update might not have been updated yet |
| 12:59.52 | mc_teo | repos just have version 4.6 for pr1.2 |
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| 13:00.51 | lcuk | hm |
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| 13:01.28 | Noobmonk3y | mc_teo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61745 |
| 13:01.35 | Noobmonk3y | looks like it is in extras devel |
| 13:01.50 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: so i am destined for qt fail :( |
| 13:02.31 | Noobmonk3y | mc_teo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52862&highlight=PYQT+4.7 <--- i'm assuming the new one installs the same way as the old one? |
| 13:04.19 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/downloads <-- looks like the latest framework for maemo is 4.6.2? |
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| 13:06.16 | mc_teo | Noobmonk3y: windows? |
| 13:06.21 | Noobmonk3y | yeah |
| 13:06.22 | Noobmonk3y | win 7 |
| 13:06.27 | mc_teo | i know my windows |
| 13:06.33 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
| 13:06.37 | mc_teo | whats the problem |
| 13:06.59 | Noobmonk3y | ^^ wondering why it seems that my qtcreator is running on 4.6.2 |
| 13:07.01 | mc_teo | i have all the QT designer setup on my vista |
| 13:07.04 | Noobmonk3y | put screenshots above |
| 13:07.14 | mc_teo | okay, ill look |
| 13:07.18 | Noobmonk3y | cheers :) :) |
| 13:07.43 | Noobmonk3y | it compiles and runs fine atm, but i wanna use the new qt stuff :) |
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| 13:08.38 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 13:08.40 | xDaReaperx | is QT only for touch devices ? |
| 13:08.47 | xDaReaperx | qt |
| 13:08.58 | mc_teo | nope |
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| 13:09.45 | mc_teo | its a GUI framework for any mainstream OS that uses a GUI |
| 13:09.49 | Noobmonk3y | xDaReaperx: it works fine on normal windows, linux etc |
| 13:10.06 | mc_teo | Noobmonk3y: how did you install it? |
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| 13:10.28 | mc_teo | since it seems to be installed in a non standard location |
| 13:10.32 | Noobmonk3y | from here -> i think http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/downloads |
| 13:10.34 | xDaReaperx | Oh okay |
| 13:10.37 | xDaReaperx | ty |
| 13:10.45 | Noobmonk3y | non standard? eeeek |
| 13:10.46 | mc_teo | mine just installed in C:\Python26 |
| 13:11.18 | mc_teo | well pyQt or Qt? |
| 13:11.23 | Noobmonk3y | qt :P |
| 13:11.27 | mc_teo | ah |
| 13:11.39 | Noobmonk3y | pyqt works fine, but translating my app into qt ;) |
| 13:12.55 | mc_teo | from here: http://qt.nokia.com/downloads/downloads which one did you get? |
| 13:13.14 | Noobmonk3y | Qt SDK for Windows* (322 MB) |
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| 13:15.04 | Noobmonk3y | maybe i shoulda got the nokia qt one :| |
| 13:15.33 | Noobmonk3y | brb 5 mins, phone |
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| 13:20.06 | jacktheripper | folks, I'm not able to ssh into the N900 with 'user' as account. I've setup authorizedkeys2. I get connection refused on attempt. |
| 13:20.25 | ham5 | need to look in as root and with the pass you setup when you installed it |
| 13:20.32 | ham5 | s/look/log |
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| 13:21.01 | ShadowJK | jacktheripper, um, is sshd running? |
| 13:21.04 | psycho_oreos | connection refused doesn't sound like its an auth error, its probably because sshd isn't started |
| 13:21.22 | jacktheripper | it's started of course, I can connect through root. |
| 13:21.28 | ShadowJK | yeah, or connecting to the wrong IP |
| 13:21.31 | lcuk | isnt there an uberlog parameter you can pass to ssh |
| 13:21.44 | lcuk | ssh -dddddddddd or something |
| 13:22.02 | jacktheripper | actually, it's connection closed |
| 13:22.04 | jacktheripper | not refused |
| 13:22.10 | jacktheripper | just that, no connection established. |
| 13:22.22 | zap | Anybody knows why apt-get does not work with extras-testing in scratchbox? It says cannot parse package list. |
| 13:22.32 | psycho_oreos | so you can connect through root meaning that you can login as root user? |
| 13:22.43 | jacktheripper | psycho_oreos, yes |
| 13:23.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacktheripper: you must not have the default "!" (or whatever) in etc/passwd for pwhash |
| 13:23.35 | jacktheripper | this only happens when I have the key in authorized_keys2. Otherwise it prompts for the non-existing password. |
| 13:23.47 | jacktheripper | DocScrutinizer, I did 'passwd -u user' earlier |
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| 13:24.07 | jacktheripper | oh pwhash |
| 13:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | also why use authorized_keys2 ? |
| 13:24.31 | jacktheripper | I just followed a tutorial on a site, it used dsa encryption. |
| 13:25.03 | jacktheripper | I don't have pwhash in my /etc/passwd. |
| 13:25.27 | jacktheripper | authorized_keys2 and authorized_key both have correct permissions. |
| 13:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | nowadays that's just authorized_keys |
| 13:26.02 | jacktheripper | okay, I'll try rsa encryption now. |
| 13:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | authorized_keys2 is obsolete nonsense |
| 13:27.29 | DocScrutinizer | ssh-dss AAAAB3NzaC1kc3MAAA... .ssh/authorized_keys |
| 13:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | WFM |
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| 13:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | jacktheripper: and your ~ mustn't be world readable iirc |
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| 13:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | meamo got that wrong usually |
| 13:30.29 | jacktheripper | connected!, after using rsa with authorized_keys |
| 13:30.32 | jacktheripper | thanks a lot |
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| 13:52.50 | RST38h | "Because the number of contaminated droppings being discovered on-site has decreased, officials now believe it's possible that just one rabbit might have been contaminated and they now are finding old droppings from it." |
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| 14:06.25 | alterego | Sweet, host mode is working quite nicely now :) |
| 14:08.01 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, thanks for testing it, and thanks to PaulFertser for the patches :) |
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| 14:08.51 | alterego | Would you like me to work on getting auto mounting to work? |
| 14:09.02 | alterego | With tracker ignore as we discussed yesterday? |
| 14:09.29 | PaulFertser | alterego: with ke_recv? |
| 14:09.41 | alterego | I was thinking udev .. |
| 14:09.51 | PaulFertser | alterego: wth you're all running ke_recv then? |
| 14:10.16 | PaulFertser | (you == maemo users) |
| 14:10.34 | alterego | :) |
| 14:10.47 | MohammadAG51 | PaulFertser, heh, [16:08:19] <MohammadAG51> paul mentioned ke-recv |
| 14:11.16 | alterego | Hrm. |
| 14:11.40 | alterego | So, what is ke-recv supposed to do? |
| 14:11.55 | PaulFertser | alterego: i think an honest user should either disable ke-recv altogether and use udev solely, or use ke-recv. |
| 14:12.09 | PaulFertser | alterego: no idea, luckily i'm not a maemo user. |
| 14:12.18 | RST38h | Paul: You are not? |
| 14:12.21 | RST38h | Poor thing... |
| 14:12.24 | alterego | What are you using then? :P |
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| 14:12.47 | PaulFertser | RST38h: i even landed the device to a friend after completing the hostmode work (yesterday) because i'm so fed up with it. |
| 14:13.00 | PaulFertser | alterego: i'm using debian on Freerunner. |
| 14:13.04 | alterego | Ah |
| 14:13.13 | RST38h | Paul: DOn't forget reporting this to Quim Gil |
| 14:13.24 | RST38h | Paul: As he is responsible for tracking dev units |
| 14:13.27 | PaulFertser | lended |
| 14:13.59 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, run ke-recv-test at |
| 14:14.03 | RST38h | Paul:And what made it so much worse than using debian on Freerunner, where you are not even sure you can answer an incoming call with emacs? =) |
| 14:14.20 | maybeArgh | quim gil is still alive? |
| 14:14.25 | alterego | Oh, interesting. |
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| 14:14.32 | PaulFertser | RST38h: the problem with FR is not emacs or debian, it's inside FSO. |
| 14:14.52 | PaulFertser | RST38h: Quim didn't ever require me to do anything wrt this dev unit. |
| 14:14.53 | RST38h | Paul: But that was not my question. |
| 14:14.57 | Noobmonk3y | back |
| 14:15.04 | RST38h | Paul: YOu should still report this to Quim. |
| 14:15.15 | vit0 | hi guys, i have a lot of big issues with PR 1.3 ... is it possible to back to PR 1.2 ? |
| 14:15.30 | RST38h | yes |
| 14:15.32 | PaulFertser | RST38h: hm, can you please explain me why should i? |
| 14:15.55 | vit0 | but when i try, a havn't cellular phone .. |
| 14:16.00 | RST38h | Paul: Because it is a developer unit given by Nokia to developers and tracker internally at Nokia |
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| 14:16.17 | nidO | vit0 what problems are you actually having |
| 14:16.21 | RST38h | Paul: If they lose track of it, the last person who they have data on becomes the responsible party |
| 14:16.25 | PaulFertser | RST38h: if that (tracking) is important, why didn't he tell me anything about it? |
| 14:16.29 | RST38h | Paul: That person is you. |
| 14:16.42 | RST38h | Paul: No, back to my original question, if you will... |
| 14:17.00 | RST38h | s/No/Now |
| 14:17.04 | vit0 | i have prolbems with sms, arnt accesible... and the signal incrase ( sorry im french ) |
| 14:17.08 | PaulFertser | RST38h: so i'm responsible. I gave it to my sister but i'm still responsible for it. |
| 14:17.22 | RST38h | Paul: Of course you are. As I said, it is a developer unit |
| 14:17.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: that person *is* paul, as he lend it to somebody, which means he still has responsibility for it |
| 14:17.33 | PaulFertser | RST38h: ok, what's your original question? Sorry, i got lost here. |
| 14:17.46 | Noobmonk3y | vito prob best to backup - flash your emmc, and then reflash 1.3 |
| 14:17.57 | RST38h | Paul: It was lended to meand then to you by Nokia to do software development, believe it or not |
| 14:18.20 | RST38h | Paul:And what made it so much worse than using debian on Freerunner, where you are not even sure you can answer an incoming call with emacs? =) |
| 14:18.29 | RST38h | (that was my original question) |
| 14:18.31 | vit0 | nidO : Mes sms s'effaces et ne sont pas consultable pour certain contacte. Les sms sont en attente d'envoie. |
| 14:18.41 | vit0 | nidO : My sms is cleared and are not available for certain contacts. Sms are waiting to send. |
| 14:18.45 | vit0 | sorry |
| 14:18.59 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: do what i said, flash your emmc, and then reflash to 1.3 |
| 14:19.12 | vit0 | yes with vanilla |
| 14:19.25 | Noobmonk3y | oh! |
| 14:19.27 | Noobmonk3y | you have already? |
| 14:19.32 | PaulFertser | RST38h: ah, i'm not able to use even telephony on it because ofono is not ready and much other functionality important for a smartphone is missing. |
| 14:19.33 | vit0 | i allready flash my phone 3 times ... |
| 14:19.37 | vit0 | 4 with now |
| 14:19.39 | Noobmonk3y | + the vanilla emmc? |
| 14:19.42 | Noobmonk3y | woah thats not good |
| 14:19.46 | vit0 | yes |
| 14:19.59 | Noobmonk3y | does it work fine before you re-install all your apps? |
| 14:20.06 | Noobmonk3y | or is it broken straight after a reflash? |
| 14:20.18 | vit0 | no broken after reflash .. |
| 14:20.21 | Noobmonk3y | wow |
| 14:20.26 | PaulFertser | RST38h: so that's a choice between using something that mostly works (my FR) vs something that's totally not ready (ofono + plenty of stuff nobody prepared yet as contacts, resource management etc etc). |
| 14:20.34 | Noobmonk3y | sounds more like a nokia repair issue ;) |
| 14:20.36 | RST38h | Paul: Really? How come I am able to receive and make calls withN900 just fine? :) |
| 14:20.50 | vit0 | when i receve a sms, in messagin pannel i have a new sms, but no name and i can't open ... |
| 14:21.07 | PaulFertser | RST38h: you just do not mind using proprietary stuff for that while i do. |
| 14:21.12 | Noobmonk3y | sounds like the sqlitedb may be corrupt |
| 14:21.26 | RST38h | Paul: Ahhahahaha |
| 14:21.31 | vit0 | maybe, but why after flash ? |
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| 14:22.06 | RST38h | Paul: You do understand that the design of the toilet bowl in your restroom is patented, and so are materials most of the plumbing is made of? |
| 14:22.22 | RST38h | Paul: And the toilet paper has got a few proprietary patents on it too? |
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| 14:22.35 | PaulFertser | RST38h: software is not patentable in most sane jurisdictions and that makes hell of a difference. |
| 14:22.36 | RST38h | Paul: Do you already see where it is going? :) |
| 14:22.50 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : For example, I just reflash my N900, I get the sms normal, but after 30 sms I have the same bugs on contact. |
| 14:22.52 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: good point |
| 14:23.01 | Noobmonk3y | that sounds really odd |
| 14:23.10 | Noobmonk3y | corrupt memory though(Ie n900 memory) |
| 14:23.11 | RST38h | Paul: Well, you did notsay patented, you said proprietary |
| 14:23.16 | Noobmonk3y | could be causing it |
| 14:23.17 | alterego | bbll |
| 14:23.23 | Noobmonk3y | or the n900 image was corrupted slightly? |
| 14:23.24 | RST38h | And, hell, a lot of stuff you are using is proprietary |
| 14:23.26 | nidO | you two having this conversation even relies on a lot of propietary software |
| 14:23.27 | Noobmonk3y | did you check the md5? |
| 14:23.35 | RST38h | nid0: exactly |
| 14:23.43 | RST38h | Every single router.... |
| 14:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: alterego: aiui ke-rcv is about menus and auto-UNmounting e.g. uSD at opening the back cover |
| 14:24.01 | PaulFertser | RST38h: anyway, you're not dragging me into a political discussion again, if you have something to say about the hostmode or ke-recv, i'm all ears, otherwise, sorry. You most probably know what i'd answer anyway. |
| 14:24.55 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : the md5 is ok, you think tue memory was corrupted ? ... i have this probleme since PR 1.3... and the signal is bad too .. |
| 14:25.06 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: still, that's a daemon always running and capable of mounting devices as the appear. |
| 14:25.10 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: hostmode urgently needs proper sync; umount; as well, prior to disabling hostmode. See "safely remove" function on desktops like KDE |
| 14:25.28 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: it listens to kernel events wrt new devices and so seems to be a natural place. |
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| 14:25.39 | Noobmonk3y | well, after a full reflash, the only possible issues i'd suggest are either something stayed on the device causing a problem (not likely with emmc reflash) or hardware, so possibly corrupt storage |
| 14:25.42 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: full ack |
| 14:26.31 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : so whats the solution ? |
| 14:26.51 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: Wish i knew :( unless someone like DocScrutinizer has a clever idea, probably Nokia Care |
| 14:27.08 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 14:27.18 | RST38h | Paul: Thanks anyway, you provided enough entertainment for today :) |
| 14:28.09 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : :( ... thanks a lot my friend ! |
| 14:28.16 | Noobmonk3y | good luck! :) |
| 14:28.21 | Noobmonk3y | will keep thinking about it, but is very odd |
| 14:28.45 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: after a full flash + emmc flash.. the device is still bugger, can it be anything other then corrupt storage? |
| 14:28.56 | Noobmonk3y | or something else just as random |
| 14:29.08 | PaulFertser | RST38h: i'm ok with being a clown but the way you put it is somewhat offensive. |
| 14:29.11 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : who, my friend have the same issues since PR1.3 .. ?! |
| 14:29.17 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: borked CAL or badblocks mgmt |
| 14:29.42 | trumee | PR 1.3 UK variant still not available? |
| 14:29.42 | MohammadAG51 | muhahaha |
| 14:29.56 | Noobmonk3y | solution: nokia care? (doc?) |
| 14:29.58 | MohammadAG51 | Watching DVDs works now |
| 14:30.18 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: what's the exactl problem? |
| 14:30.20 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: you are so 90's lol... been watching dvd's for a while now |
| 14:30.48 | MohammadAG51 | on the N900? Ha! |
| 14:30.54 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: - can you explain it again for Doc |
| 14:30.56 | Noobmonk3y | please |
| 14:31.08 | Noobmonk3y | they work fine for me :| |
| 14:31.13 | Noobmonk3y | rip and play meh |
| 14:31.40 | vit0 | oke lets go ( wait i try with google traduc ... ) |
| 14:31.45 | Noobmonk3y | w00000p |
| 14:31.53 | MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, no, I meant DVDs, directly |
| 14:32.00 | MohammadAG51 | as in DVD discs, as in hostmode |
| 14:32.09 | Noobmonk3y | ohhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:32.09 | Noobmonk3y | geek |
| 14:32.12 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 14:32.24 | Noobmonk3y | impressive though |
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| 14:32.41 | Noobmonk3y | the problem with hostmode for me, the only place i would use it is home, and i have a pc for that lol ;) |
| 14:32.44 | MohammadAG51 | while it's externally powered, what prevents you from connecting a battery? |
| 14:33.03 | MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, it helps at school |
| 14:33.03 | Noobmonk3y | ? |
| 14:33.06 | Noobmonk3y | oh cool |
| 14:34.42 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : Bon, Mon N900 quand il reçoit des sms, au début sa marche je reçois bien, mais au bout de 30- 40 sms, les sms du contact en question sont plus accessible, le nom a aussi disparus. Je peux lire les messages en allant sur le contacte puis sms, mais depuis l'application je ne peux pas. |
| 14:34.44 | vit0 | arf .. |
| 14:34.47 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 14:34.48 | nidO | I would use it at home or at work, but I have (the same) pc for both right next to me as well :p |
| 14:34.54 | Noobmonk3y | je ne parle pas francais ;) |
| 14:34.58 | vit0 | Noobmonk3y : Well, my N900 when receiving sms, his early works I get well, but after 30 to 40 sms, sms of the contact in question are more accessible, the name has also disappeared. I can read messages from the contacts and sms, but since the application I can not. |
| 14:35.01 | vit0 | sorry :) |
| 14:35.06 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: ^^ |
| 14:35.12 | vit0 | DocScrutinizer : Well, my N900 when receiving sms, his early works I get well, but after 30 to 40 sms, sms of the contact in question are more accessible, the name has also disappeared. I can read messages from the contacts and sms, but since the application I can not. |
| 14:35.15 | vit0 | =D |
| 14:35.19 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
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| 14:35.36 | Noobmonk3y | thanks vit0 and well done, translating can be a pain - but hopefully worth the effort for you |
| 14:35.41 | MohammadAG51 | understood that without translation - /me is impressed |
| 14:35.54 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: i kinda did too, but i did speak fluent french when i was 10 lol |
| 14:36.00 | Noobmonk3y | just havent spoken it since |
| 14:36.14 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG51: have you tried charging and hostmode simultaneously (where you use a modified powered usb hub to provide power both to additional devices and to the n900)? |
| 14:36.17 | nidO | I understood all the technical words that're the same in both languages |
| 14:36.19 | nidO | and the numbers |
| 14:36.21 | nidO | go me. |
| 14:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | vit0: Noobmonk3y: so how's that related to hw broken?? |
| 14:36.38 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: surely after a flash + emmc flash - what else can it be? |
| 14:36.41 | nidO | DocScrutinizer: well, the problem isnt fixed by a firmware and emmc flash |
| 14:36.43 | Noobmonk3y | (4 flashes lol) |
| 14:36.52 | MohammadAG51 | PaulFertser, no, not yet, but my cable seems to turn on my hub when connected to a PC |
| 14:36.56 | Noobmonk3y | but thats why i asked you ;) |
| 14:37.04 | MohammadAG51 | (y-cable's connected, not the hub itself) |
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| 14:37.47 | DocScrutinizer | well, if that's a bug in conversations app (and there are well some tickets against 1.3 conversations, esp regarding SMS), how would a reflash fix that? |
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| 14:38.03 | vit0 | DocScrutinizer : Noobmonk3y : My friend have the same issu since PR1.3 .. |
| 14:38.05 | Noobmonk3y | no, but more people would see it? (maybe?) |
| 14:38.10 | nidO | well, the bug is obviously not consistent |
| 14:38.17 | nidO | citation = all the people who have no problems. |
| 14:38.19 | nidO | like me |
| 14:38.23 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: Doc's explanation may be right then, but sounds odd |
| 14:38.29 | Noobmonk3y | nidO: :) |
| 14:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | nidO: that means the bug is not *understood completely* |
| 14:38.55 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG51: some would like to have some kind of "docking station" for n900. Also consider using your n900 for car navigation when you want to connect an external mass storage or even a special car controller via usb. So charging during hostmode would be rather nice to have. |
| 14:39.27 | Noobmonk3y | ooo PaulFertser - a car docking station sounds good :) |
| 14:39.32 | vit0 | mm i don't understend DocScrutinizer explanation, so reflash isn't the solution ... |
| 14:39.33 | MohammadAG51 | indeed, but not possible with bme :/ |
| 14:39.46 | MohammadAG51 | so i'd need help with jrbme to test it |
| 14:40.24 | DocScrutinizer | vit0: what's there you don't understand? there are bugs in conversation app in PR1.3 |
| 14:41.16 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: anyone know where it originates from? therefore people can try to bypass it? |
| 14:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: please check trac! |
| 14:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | bug 11450 for example |
| 14:42.00 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11450 The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's |
| 14:42.20 | vit0 | DocScrutinizer : ok i understend, so its ' normal ' my bugs ... |
| 14:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 14:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 14:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | 'yes' |
| 14:43.24 | Noobmonk3y | vit0: yes, but i'm now reading the forums/ bug pages to try and find something similar, the good thing about bugs is people find work-arounds, before fixes normally |
| 14:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | bug 11456 as well |
| 14:44.07 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11456 History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 |
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| 14:45.34 | vit0 | mmm ok i see ... |
| 14:47.02 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: noted |
| 14:47.27 | alterego | Also, I didn't need to enable boost for powered devices :) |
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| 14:49.40 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, cool, so I guess step 2 is optional :) |
| 14:49.53 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: I'm working on a bme replacement called jrbme, which also handles hostmode correctly, among other things. Suggestions how to make sure I umount prior to stopping hostmode there are much appreciated |
| 14:51.40 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: cool, I'll do some research on it. Also, do we have charging when in host mode? |
| 14:52.13 | alterego | I know it was a possibility in some of the earlier discussions |
| 14:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | probably umounting still should get handled in whatever app or daemon did the mount, but jrbme will want to check if the plugged peripheral is "in use" and refuse to stop hostmode unless --force'd if that's the case |
| 14:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: sure |
| 14:53.47 | MohammadAG51 | assuming ke-recv doesn't work |
| 14:53.54 | alterego | Yeah, should also have a info message saying do not remove, and then it's now safe to remove. |
| 14:53.56 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, can't something be done in the app? |
| 14:54.16 | MohammadAG51 | or ideally, a status bar icon to unmount (ala N8) |
| 14:54.31 | alterego | And of course educate users about attach/detach |
| 14:54.44 | alterego | That would be neat. |
| 14:54.47 | MohammadAG51 | have a list of what's mounted, show a list of what to unmount |
| 14:55.09 | MohammadAG51 | since the app itself did the mounting, keeping a list should be easy |
| 14:55.23 | alterego | well, it's all /dev/sd$ |
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| 14:55.43 | alterego | Also we can find out whether it's usb bus connected to be sane anyway |
| 14:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: that comes quite naturally as users will kill their data when removing memstick without proper "remove safely" (as on every other system), and stopping hostmode via jrbme will yell if the umount hasn't been done |
| 14:56.33 | alterego | How stable are the kernel patches? I'm gonna create a uboot kernel from them so I can still use meego |
| 14:57.02 | MohammadAG51 | stable |
| 14:57.12 | MohammadAG51 | alterego, no |
| 14:57.19 | MohammadAG51 | there's sr0 for dvds |
| 14:57.23 | alterego | Might also work on applying the patches to the meego kernel and see about getting it working on there. |
| 14:57.41 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: lsusb will tell you |
| 14:57.46 | alterego | Indeed |
| 14:57.57 | alterego | It's all in sysfs anyway |
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| 14:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | jrbme will just check if anything is mounted on USB and refuse to stop hostmode if it's unsafe to do so |
| 15:00.16 | alterego | How is that coming along anyway? |
| 15:00.21 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, have you daemonized it yet? |
| 15:01.05 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: slowly as I'm feeling like "eeew, hostmode" and "eeew, maemo" atm |
| 15:01.18 | DocScrutinizer | IOW I'm pissed |
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| 15:01.59 | alterego | :( |
| 15:01.59 | javispedro | morning gentlemen |
| 15:02.05 | alterego | Hey javispedro |
| 15:02.12 | MohammadAG51 | hey javispedro |
| 15:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro |
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| 15:02.34 | javispedro | I see that you take the "easy" part in h-e-n seriously :) |
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| 15:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ever did |
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| 15:03.10 | javispedro | stuff about which block devices are on usb should be in sysfs |
| 15:03.29 | DocScrutinizer | yoh |
| 15:03.31 | javispedro | on a desktop system udev handles/remembers it for use by gnome-volume-manager or similar daemons |
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| 15:04.03 | javispedro | (in fact it saves information about which block devices are owned by which usb device so as to allow "Extract the entire device safely" to work) |
| 15:04.08 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thankful for hints here |
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| 15:04.45 | alterego | I'd prefer udev personally |
| 15:04.59 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 15:05.08 | alterego | Would make things more simple for you'd I'd have thought too. |
| 15:05.11 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: alterego: consider a hub with several peripherals plugged in |
| 15:05.11 | javispedro | alterego: unfortunately on the n900 udev has half of the rules you've come to expect |
| 15:05.31 | alterego | javispedro: sure, but that's easy to fix :) |
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| 15:05.58 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: fixed my qt install! |
| 15:06.24 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I'd make a udev rule similar to the rule that on a desktop builds /dev/disk/by-path/ |
| 15:07.00 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can try this on your desktop -- see /dev/disk/by-path/ contents after/before plugging in a usb mass storage devie |
| 15:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: good point |
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| 15:07.56 | DocScrutinizer | that's app level though, for jrbme I got simpler means to check if *anything* still needs hostmode, I guess |
| 15:08.05 | alterego | Yeah, and mount my vol name or id |
| 15:08.46 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I do not know a simpler way =) |
| 15:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and currently I don't really care about app level, as that's owned by others |
| 15:09.21 | javispedro | if musb is sane everything in by-path will be prefixed by path to musb itself |
| 15:09.29 | javispedro | eg platform-musb (didn't check) |
| 15:09.35 | alterego | Is there absolutely no chance of auto enumeration? |
| 15:09.45 | javispedro | so you could just umount every whose path starts by platform-musb |
| 15:09.51 | javispedro | *every device |
| 15:10.17 | javispedro | that would kill every usb device |
| 15:10.33 | alterego | yeah, much better, and once all devices are safely unmounted turn off host |
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| 15:10.44 | alterego | mode |
| 15:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | I won't do that in jrbme |
| 15:11.06 | DocScrutinizer | (umount) |
| 15:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | unless --force |
| 15:11.25 | javispedro | ah, you just want detection then? |
| 15:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | for jrbme? yes |
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| 15:12.11 | javispedro | dunno if there is a simpler way but checking if the device is mounted would be also trivial enough by this strategy (just match /etc/mtab with the device name) |
| 15:12.15 | alterego | jrbme should just know when it's safe for host mode to be disabled, shouldn't do any u/mounting. But maybe notify user of hostmode being in use. |
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| 15:12.38 | DocScrutinizer | for --force I consider sth along path "sync; fuser -k..." |
| 15:13.36 | javispedro | on the N900 for ex. there's currently a rule that associates a block device with a mmc slot number |
| 15:13.43 | javispedro | (udev rule) |
| 15:13.53 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: notifying is on my specs, two flavours |
| 15:13.56 | javispedro | so that (I guess) when you open the mmc cover system umounts proper partitions |
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| 15:14.32 | javispedro | P: /block/mmcblk1/mmcblk1p3 |
| 15:14.32 | javispedro | E: SLOT_NUM=0 |
| 15:14.58 | DocScrutinizer | alterego: direct notifications via dbus call for a banner, or alternatively feedback to app calling the userland instance of jrbme which communicates to the daemon |
| 15:15.35 | alterego | uhuh |
| 15:15.54 | alterego | N900 not recognising my partition table on this drive. |
| 15:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I like to exploit exactly same scheme for jrbme --force --hostoff |
| 15:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | opening back cover is exactly same event (on a sematic level) as telling jrbme to stop hostmode unconditionally |
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| 15:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | semantic* |
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| 15:20.10 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 15:20.23 | Noobmonk3y | new wt works fine, wont test on device now though :| |
| 15:20.25 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, cya peeps |
| 15:21.09 | Noobmonk3y | ciao |
| 15:21.11 | javispedro | cya |
| 15:23.31 | jvesiluoma | Hmm, should the usb host mode thingie work with cameras? For example, can I copy data from EOS 400D straight to N900? |
| 15:23.42 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. |
| 15:23.59 | SpeedEvil | Exact method may vary, and the support of the base software probably won't be there. |
| 15:23.59 | Venemo | host mode? is it now working? |
| 15:24.07 | SpeedEvil | - you wouldn't want tracker to index it. |
| 15:24.10 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: almost |
| 15:24.15 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: there are wrinkles |
| 15:24.33 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmm |
| 15:24.36 | SpeedEvil | jvesiluoma: but if you're asking 'can I copy the pictures off' - then yes |
| 15:24.41 | Noobmonk3y | ok.... qt builds, and sends it to the device |
| 15:24.48 | Noobmonk3y | says it is running but device isnt running it |
| 15:24.57 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: do you have a link to the details? |
| 15:25.01 | Noobmonk3y | (Reading database ... Finished running remote process. <---instantly says that |
| 15:25.05 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:25.15 | jvesiluoma | SpeedEvil: okay nice, and yes, I'm addicted to technical specs also =) |
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| 15:26.00 | SpeedEvil | jvesiluoma: Also - doesn't the eos400d do bluetooth? |
| 15:26.05 | SpeedEvil | Or have I misremembered. |
| 15:26.14 | jvesiluoma | When it is released, I'll plan to add it to my web interface thingie, there are many possibilities... |
| 15:26.20 | SpeedEvil | (my cameras come a lot cheaper, typically broken, from ebay) |
| 15:26.22 | jvesiluoma | SpeedEvil: no, EOS 400D doesn't have bluetooth |
| 15:26.26 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 15:28.48 | jvesiluoma | humm...installing qole's SDK image right now...have to test if I manage to compile gstmjpg with it so I can add it to my webinterface |
| 15:29.17 | jvesiluoma | that way users could see video from frontcam (for example) in real time if their N900 is lost or stolen... |
| 15:29.23 | Noobmonk3y | does the rf command work like the del command? (hehe) wanna delete all debs in a folder on the n900) |
| 15:29.52 | Noobmonk3y | or just delete all files, but not sub-folders |
| 15:30.11 | Noobmonk3y | yay done |
| 15:31.12 | Noobmonk3y | ok... i click run in qt .... it creates a random deb... then starts remote app - creates the healthcheck_0.0.1_armel.deb |
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| 15:31.19 | Noobmonk3y | then instantly says it is finished |
| 15:31.24 | Noobmonk3y | so... problem with dpkg? |
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| 15:36.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tell Venemo about hostmode |
| 15:38.10 | Bash | hey guys |
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| 15:38.33 | MohammadAG | Venemo, Noobmonk3y http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDzUG-bno6Q |
| 15:39.11 | MohammadAG | mplayer, so it's raping the CPU |
| 15:40.39 | FauxFaux | MohammadAG: <3 it's so nice seeing people outside of my pedophile ring use "rape" as a verb in that situation. It really annoys people at work. |
| 15:40.48 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer51: thx :) |
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| 15:41.02 | MohammadAG | FauxFaux, LOL |
| 15:41.39 | Bash | any epic person who knows digital logic/logic gates wanna help out a bro with his uni assignment? |
| 15:41.55 | Venemo | MohammadAG: nice video |
| 15:42.06 | Venemo | MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer: how user-friendly it is? |
| 15:42.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | 42 |
| 15:42.48 | MohammadAG | Venemo, http://i51.tinypic.com/b4xl4z.jpg |
| 15:43.11 | Venemo | MohammadAG: hm, looks okay :) |
| 15:43.35 | Venemo | MohammadAG: does this stuff also do the nasty things like disabling/reenabling bme and such? |
| 15:44.03 | RST38h | Hurrrraaaaah! |
| 15:44.04 | alterego | Venemo: yup |
| 15:44.10 | RST38h | Problem solved. |
| 15:44.13 | MohammadAG | bme is disabled in the constructor, enabled in the destructor |
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| 15:44.20 | MohammadAG | alterego, not as bad as before :P |
| 15:44.26 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:44.29 | Venemo | and what about the jrbme thingy? |
| 15:44.32 | MohammadAG | thanks to PaulFertser :) |
| 15:45.31 | RST38h | Mohammad: btw, what have you changed in the midnight commander? =) |
| 15:45.49 | MohammadAG | RST38h, original maintainer returned :) |
| 15:46.59 | RST38h | you mean, zap? |
| 15:47.06 | zap | um? |
| 15:47.10 | MohammadAG | andrew |
| 15:47.13 | RST38h | oh |
| 15:47.15 | zap | hello :) |
| 15:47.19 | MohammadAG | oh, he's zap? |
| 15:47.23 | MohammadAG | hey zap :) |
| 15:47.26 | zap | RST38h: I've got a N900 in the meantime |
| 15:47.30 | zap | MohammadAG: ;) |
| 15:47.39 | MohammadAG | small internet :P |
| 15:47.52 | RST38h | Anyone who feels that patent quality is just far too high nowadays will be glad to hear that the USPTO has decided to ditch four of their seven tests for obviousness. |
| 15:47.53 | zap | small world in general |
| 15:48.06 | RST38h | zap: welcome tosuffering :) |
| 15:48.18 | zap | RST38h: 4.7.4 is still in testing, not ready for public use yet |
| 15:48.19 | alterego | Heh |
| 15:48.27 | zap | some people are getting wrong rendering for a unknown problem |
| 15:48.37 | Venemo | RST38h: if I live in the EU, do those crappy US patents matter to me at all? |
| 15:48.48 | nidO | indirectly |
| 15:49.18 | zap | Venemo: your US bank accounts may be arrested, for example |
| 15:49.34 | Venemo | zap: I don't have anything in the US |
| 15:49.39 | RST38h | The British rap star DJ Ironik was in hospital last night after being stabbed in the left buttock by robbers who had tracked him by Twitter |
| 15:49.41 | zap | well, who knows :) |
| 15:49.48 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: Great dvd choice! |
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| 15:49.58 | RST38h | Next time you post to twitter...[insert ass joke here] |
| 15:49.59 | zap | RST38h: how ironic |
| 15:50.09 | Noobmonk3y | lokos a bit laggy though ;) |
| 15:50.19 | RST38h | zap: I am sure they felt the same =) |
| 15:50.33 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, mplayer :) |
| 15:50.40 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:51.00 | Noobmonk3y | btw MohammadAG New QT version wont run on my device :9 |
| 15:51.04 | Noobmonk3y | :( |
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| 15:51.23 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: what new Qt version? |
| 15:51.25 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, muhahaha... huh? |
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| 15:52.06 | Noobmonk3y | i dloaded the Nokia QT CReator |
| 15:52.15 | Noobmonk3y | (rather than qt creator) ie the one with mobility etc |
| 15:52.25 | Noobmonk3y | builds and transfers to device |
| 15:52.38 | Noobmonk3y | but no running :( |
| 15:53.17 | MohammadAG | download the proper SDK |
| 15:53.53 | zap | RST38h: you mean they stabbed him just 4 lulz? |
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| 15:55.34 | Venemo | zap: anyway, how are patents related to arresting bank accounts? |
| 15:55.57 | zap | Venemo: if some us company sues U |
| 15:56.13 | zap | for breaking their patents |
| 15:56.21 | Venemo | zap: aah... |
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| 15:56.46 | Venemo | zap: so if I don't have anything in the US, I can safely not care about US patents, right? |
| 15:57.07 | zap | well, some guys were thinking the same |
| 15:57.21 | zap | then they forgot it, and went to us for holidays, or conferences, alike... |
| 15:57.30 | Venemo | zap: and? |
| 15:57.47 | Venemo | zap: they got arrested when they went to the US? |
| 15:57.50 | zap | and got under arrest. Moloch never sleeps. |
| 15:57.58 | Venemo | zap: that is just lol |
| 16:02.03 | Noobmonk3y | aghhhhhhhh idont get QT |
| 16:02.08 | Noobmonk3y | is the PR1.3 running 4.7? |
| 16:02.11 | Noobmonk3y | or 4.6.2? |
| 16:02.21 | GeneralAntilles | 4.7 |
| 16:02.23 | MohammadAG | 4.7 |
| 16:02.31 | GeneralAntilles | Only notable update in the release. |
| 16:02.49 | Noobmonk3y | so i need to dload this thing? http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/8e1dab6f-5d7e-4ce9-b2b3-8a3874eb7e24 |
| 16:02.55 | Noobmonk3y | to be able to qmake from my pc? |
| 16:03.58 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: just use the Nokia Qt SDK, that installs everything you need |
| 16:04.11 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: Compiles, and sends it to the device, nothing happens |
| 16:04.19 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: after installing it, update it with its updater |
| 16:04.24 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: hm, interesting |
| 16:04.25 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, can the device start it? |
| 16:04.29 | MohammadAG | manually |
| 16:04.38 | MohammadAG | i.e, /usr/local/bin/healthcheck |
| 16:04.52 | Noobmonk3y | http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/c2525f88-6f20-49ce-b3ce-1788af6f0e63 |
| 16:05.29 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: runs fine! |
| 16:06.45 | Noobmonk3y | ok, so why does that work, what is qt not doing? |
| 16:07.07 | MohammadAG | running it on device :) |
| 16:07.13 | MohammadAG | madde related probably |
| 16:07.14 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 16:07.17 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmm |
| 16:07.24 | Noobmonk3y | any idea what to do? |
| 16:07.36 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: did you upgrade the SDK? |
| 16:08.02 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo, i installed the Nokia QT one (Was previously using the plain old QT one) |
| 16:08.19 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: and DID YOU UPGRADE THE DAMN THING? |
| 16:08.24 | Noobmonk3y | nope lol |
| 16:08.26 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: with its updater tool |
| 16:08.29 | Noobmonk3y | goes and upgrades |
| 16:08.33 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: please try? |
| 16:08.38 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: wasnt use to being able to do that lol |
| 16:08.40 | Noobmonk3y | trying ;) |
| 16:08.51 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: there is an "SDK Maintenance tool" and an "SDK updater tool" I think |
| 16:09.00 | Noobmonk3y | trying the update one :) |
| 16:09.39 | Noobmonk3y | no updates |
| 16:10.13 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: well that's interesting, 'cause the current one on their site is out of date (at least it was a week ago) |
| 16:10.23 | Noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 16:10.32 | Noobmonk3y | will just dloaded it an hour or so ago |
| 16:10.43 | Noobmonk3y | s/will/well/ |
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| 16:11.39 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: "Date added: 03 November 2010" yeah this may be okay then |
| 16:11.49 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: what does Qt Creator say when you press the play button? |
| 16:12.39 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: http://www.screencast.com/users/noobmonkey/folders/Jing/media/126067b3-39a0-4e1b-90ec-4a9a77bb8f77 |
| 16:12.57 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: okay. |
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| 16:13.01 | Noobmonk3y | normally it stays reading until i close it |
| 16:13.08 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: go to the project tab |
| 16:13.22 | Noobmonk3y | k |
| 16:13.23 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: then the Maemo build options |
| 16:13.26 | javispedro | ponders |
| 16:13.33 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: and check the "skip packaging step" option |
| 16:13.39 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: and try then |
| 16:13.44 | javispedro | is there any reason stock Maemo doesn't recognize mmcblk1p8 onwards? |
| 16:14.01 | javispedro | sfdisk shows them but neither kernel knows about it nor device nodes are created. |
| 16:14.05 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: some moron thought it would be a good idea to make a .deb package on every build an install it on the device on every run |
| 16:14.20 | Venemo | ~nuke the morons who thought that it was a good idea |
| 16:14.20 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the morons who thought that it was a good idea ... Bâ¢â¢M! |
| 16:14.20 | Noobmonk3y | ahaaaaaaaaaa |
| 16:14.23 | MohammadAG | should it o_O |
| 16:14.25 | Noobmonk3y | that works! |
| 16:14.34 | MohammadAG | Venemo, ++ |
| 16:14.51 | MohammadAG | javispedro, tried rebooting? |
| 16:14.57 | javispedro | yeah... |
| 16:15.15 | javispedro | iirc this is the second time this happens to me... |
| 16:15.25 | Venemo | MohammadAG: at the beginning of the summer, they figured to make .debs every time |
| 16:15.40 | Venemo | MohammadAG: on my request, the guy put in this "skip packaging step" option |
| 16:15.48 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: ;) - genius! |
| 16:15.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG: and promised that they'll gonna get it right... |
| 16:15.51 | Noobmonk3y | thank you v much |
| 16:16.20 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: you're welcome... :) |
| 16:16.24 | MohammadAG | Venemo, did they? :P |
| 16:16.39 | Venemo | MohammadAG: not yet, but I stopped caring about it |
| 16:16.48 | MohammadAG | heh |
| 16:16.59 | MohammadAG | I just put it in a wrong IP |
| 16:17.04 | MohammadAG | then I copy the binary manually |
| 16:17.17 | Venemo | MohammadAG: more correctly, I didn't check it for some time, but as Noobmonk3y can tell, ultimately they failed |
| 16:17.30 | Venemo | MohammadAG: what I hate about it is it is not checked by default |
| 16:17.31 | Noobmonk3y | yup Venemo ;) - tis sooo random |
| 16:17.34 | Noobmonk3y | why the other version works fine |
| 16:17.37 | Noobmonk3y | and that one fails |
| 16:17.50 | Venemo | MohammadAG: so it screwes up my extisting debian folder if I forget to check it |
| 16:17.58 | Noobmonk3y | now i've forgotten what code i was gonna add lol |
| 16:18.34 | Venemo | MohammadAG: in some pre-release, the thing automatically created a .desktop file for my app (even if it had one!!!), and put gibberish stuff about it in the .pro file |
| 16:19.00 | Venemo | MohammadAG: with no option to turn this off... it was then when I stopped caring |
| 16:19.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG: fortunately that anti-feature didn't make it (yet?) into the stable version |
| 16:19.40 | MohammadAG | it's not in it :P |
| 16:19.44 | RST38h | mooo, javispedro |
| 16:19.48 | MohammadAG | I don't use it for final packaging |
| 16:19.51 | javispedro | moo RST38h |
| 16:19.53 | MohammadAG | I use scratchbox for that |
| 16:19.59 | javispedro | RST38h: done anything evil recently? |
| 16:20.15 | Venemo | MohammadAG: me neither, I use the "skip packaging step" feaure, added by a sane member of the Qt Creator team |
| 16:20.55 | javispedro | ah, Apple stores already hiring for the Christmas marketing spree. |
| 16:21.10 | RST38h | javispedro:Debugged a certain project to make sound work |
| 16:21.26 | RST38h | javispedro: Just finished, feeling like a turtle just after laying eggs. |
| 16:22.02 | javispedro | heh. |
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| 16:23.19 | javispedro | shuts n900 off for a while in a futile attempt to get it to recognize more than 3 logical partitions... |
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| 16:24.40 | RST38h | you should create some logical drives and install MSDOS to recognize them! |
| 16:24.53 | RST38h | climbs a tree, really quickly |
| 16:24.58 | MohammadAG | javispedro, sync |
| 16:25.00 | Venemo | javispedro: sorry if I'm mistaking you for someone else, but wasn't it you who worked on the OpenTTD for Maemo? |
| 16:25.03 | javispedro | ~chase RST38h |
| 16:25.03 | infobot | ACTION chases RST38h |
| 16:25.14 | javispedro | Venemo: I am the latest one in a series of pour sools |
| 16:25.18 | javispedro | *poor |
| 16:25.36 | RST38h | javispedro: Check out Fennec latets beta btw. |
| 16:25.36 | javispedro | MohammadAG: sync what? it is off =) |
| 16:25.41 | Venemo | javispedro: TTD is one of my all-time favourites :) |
| 16:25.45 | RST38h | Incredibly, it has become USABLE |
| 16:25.49 | Venemo | javispedro: why do you say poor souls? |
| 16:25.52 | MohammadAG | `sync` |
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| 16:26.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: sync doesn't help for partition tables |
| 16:26.40 | javispedro | Venemo: because there's a lot of work to be done even up to the point you could publish a paper about it |
| 16:27.19 | RST38h | "How I suffered porting a desktop-grade game to show up at the 3.5" screen" |
| 16:27.26 | javispedro | a question: does anyone have more than 3 logical partitions on N900 external sd? |
| 16:27.40 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: if you can't remove and redetect the phys dev, you'll probably need to reboot |
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| 16:27.50 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I've reboot two times by now |
| 16:28.17 | Venemo | javispedro: well the latest version is quite playable (as far as I can see) |
| 16:28.18 | DocScrutinizer | for external SD a opening and closing back cover should suffice |
| 16:28.20 | javispedro | does dmesg | vi -R not remembering this is messybox, causes havoc in system |
| 16:28.25 | Venemo | javispedro: what is it that needs work? |
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| 16:28.51 | javispedro | Venemo: dialogs do not fit in 400x200 resolution, and 800x480 means too high DPI which means many people complain |
| 16:29.33 | Venemo | javispedro: well yeah |
| 16:29.39 | javispedro | Venemo: weird audio subsystem which means packagers have to rewrite it (like previous maintainer did... I proceeded to throw his work and now I wish I still had it) |
| 16:29.58 | Venemo | javispedro: I use it at 800Ã420 usually |
| 16:30.08 | javispedro | me too. |
| 16:30.23 | Venemo | javispedro: wouldn't recommend it for visually impaired people, that's for sure, but hey, TTD on the N900!!! |
| 16:30.39 | Venemo | javispedro: are the upstream authors helpful with it? |
| 16:31.02 | javispedro | I guess they would if I bothered to bother them =) |
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| 16:33.50 | Venemo | javispedro: mhm :P |
| 16:35.15 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what's ?fdisk telling about your parition table? |
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| 16:37.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.pastebin.com/dJUAsxGA |
| 16:37.23 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you're aware you have a max of 4 real partitions on a msdos partition table, on of which can be a logical partition which points to a linked list of "extension blocks"? |
| 16:37.46 | javispedro | yes, note "logical partition" |
| 16:38.02 | chrissbx | Hello. I've tried to install the ssh client+server package, entered a root password when asked for it, now sudo won't give me root with either rootme nor the pw that I chose. Ideas? |
| 16:38.28 | Venemo | chrissbx: use 'sudo gainroot' |
| 16:38.28 | javispedro | I seem to kinda remember that Maemo had a problem where the initramfs had only device nodes up to p7, but that was a) Diablo b) either way shouldn't make the kernel misreport partition count |
| 16:39.11 | javispedro | (damn kernel <-> user space device node renaming ) |
| 16:39.24 | chrissbx | hm, enable RD mode; going to read up about that |
| 16:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: your partition table is rather crippled, it really shouldn't have /dev/mmcblk1p3 and /dev/mmcblk1p4 |
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| 16:39.57 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think it does, those are the 4 primary partitions you were speaking of |
| 16:40.14 | javispedro | (not to mention that desktop gets it right) |
| 16:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: usually 'Extended' needs to be the last physical partition |
| 16:40.35 | javispedro | hm.. |
| 16:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | you got another 2 bogus unused empty phys parts after that |
| 16:41.19 | javispedro | hum |
| 16:41.21 | javispedro | either way |
| 16:41.32 | javispedro | since it seems the issue only appears for partitions >= 8 |
| 16:41.38 | javispedro | I will make a few logical partitions primary ones. |
| 16:41.44 | javispedro | and leave the issue for now. |
| 16:41.51 | javispedro | s/a few/two |
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| 16:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: also partitions quite usually are required to be strictly monotonically increasing in cyl nr etc. Your /dev/mmcblk1p3 and /dev/mmcblk1p4 are perverted in a nmber of ways |
| 16:43.37 | javispedro | it is not such a weird setup |
| 16:43.55 | javispedro | DOS itself would use it |
| 16:44.03 | javispedro | as it would not allow more than one primary partition at all |
| 16:44.16 | javispedro | but I do not remember if it would place extended on #4 or #2 |
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| 16:45.35 | javispedro | either way, as desktop works with this card this means that code parsing mbr for n900 is not the same as code parsing mbr for usb mass storage on desktop |
| 16:46.08 | MohammadAG | chrissbx, install rootsh |
| 16:46.52 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: what? DOS not allowing more than 1 primary? Nope |
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| 16:47.10 | DocScrutinizer | DOS invented that shit |
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| 16:48.16 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: boot DOS. fdisk. Type 1 (Create new DOS partition or logical drive). Type 1 (Create new primary partition). "Primary partition already exists". |
| 16:48.24 | javispedro | knows it by hand |
| 16:48.55 | DocScrutinizer | never seen that, in 30 years |
| 16:49.47 | javispedro | one would usually create "logical drives" on a drive that already has a primary partition |
| 16:50.17 | DocScrutinizer | nope, you usually create logicals on a drive that needs more than 4 partitions |
| 16:50.27 | javispedro | not on pure DOS :) |
| 16:50.34 | PaulFertser | javispedro: that's limitation of dos fdisk only, even dos could use several primary partitions all right. |
| 16:50.34 | javispedro | Go check it, I'm quite sure. |
| 16:50.46 | PaulFertser | javispedro: you can't create it but can use. |
| 16:50.51 | valdyn | funny thing is that dos allows only one primary while dos partition tables allow 4 |
| 16:51.07 | javispedro | PaulFertser: old DOS couldn't |
| 16:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I created 4 partitions on DOS when ther's not yet been any concept about logical |
| 16:51.17 | javispedro | PaulFertser: remember tricks hiding other primary partitions before booting DOS |
| 16:51.18 | PaulFertser | javispedro: hm, how old? msdos 6.22? |
| 16:51.38 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: logical partitions being an extension on top of the original limit of 4 |
| 16:51.38 | javispedro | and by hiding I mean just changing MBR partition ID so that only one had FAT |
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| 16:52.08 | javispedro | PaulFertser: iirc 6.22 cannot. |
| 16:52.22 | javispedro | PaulFertser: the FAT32 ones being the first that can |
| 16:52.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: whatever, there MUST NOT be phy partitions after Extended |
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| 16:53.32 | unixSnob | W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The following signatures couldn't be verified because the public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY E40DC434616730BD |
| 16:53.34 | chrissbx | What do you recommend for a better shell experience? At least cursor up, to get back the history items. Bash would be nice I guess. |
| 16:53.37 | unixSnob | where can I get that key? |
| 16:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | delete /dev/mmcblk1p3 and /dev/mmcblk1p4 and everything will be fine I guess |
| 16:53.50 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that might be right (I really dunno what's good practice) but the issue here is that desk kernel allows it, while N900 seems to get confused |
| 16:54.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: here's the weird part: as the mbr is just a fixed-size 4 row table, you cannot actually delete a primary partition |
| 16:54.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can just set it to type 0 |
| 16:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it's "outside specs" so undefined behaviour |
| 16:54.38 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i found something related: http://www.freedos.org/freedos/news/technote/txt/028.txt |
| 16:55.16 | javispedro | PaulFertser: their description of MSDOS behaviour matches what I had in mind. |
| 16:55.44 | javispedro | PaulFertser: sorry, Arkady's description =) |
| 16:56.11 | SpeedEvil | tehre is bash in repos chrissbx |
| 16:57.14 | javispedro | decides to delete entire mbr and recreate it |
| 16:57.21 | javispedro | hopefully I do not need to use DOS fdisk =) |
| 16:57.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I managed to create perverted partition tables several times in my life, by doing things like I seee at your pastebin. Usually when I use cfdisk in a sane manner (like it's supposed to be, create phy first, then 1 ext and as much log inside that as you want) everything is fine. Otherwise BAD THINGS happen |
| 16:58.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I think you believe I've created partitions 3 and 4 |
| 16:58.19 | javispedro | I didn't, they're empty. |
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| 16:58.35 | javispedro | There's just no way I can delete them because mbr is fixed 4row table. |
| 16:58.42 | javispedro | and I need to put _something_ in there. |
| 16:58.44 | javispedro | so 0, invalid. |
| 16:58.50 | DocScrutinizer | so I got no idea about fsckng sfdisk. Use a sane tool :-P |
| 16:59.03 | javispedro | boots gparted |
| 16:59.36 | DocScrutinizer | suggests cfdisk |
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| 17:00.47 | javispedro | does a test.. |
| 17:01.27 | unixSnob | nevermind.. found it |
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| 17:02.46 | javispedro | creates seven fat32 partitions, three primary ones, a extended one, and four logical ones. |
| 17:02.55 | javispedro | I bet it's going to fail :) |
| 17:03.37 | Noobmonk3y | grrrrrrrrr |
| 17:03.40 | Noobmonk3y | ok, so ... |
| 17:03.40 | javispedro | desktop kernel reads them: sdd: sdd1 sdd2 sdd3 sdd4 < sdd5 sdd6 sdd7 sdd8 > |
| 17:03.48 | Noobmonk3y | PR1.3 has QT 4.7 |
| 17:03.55 | Noobmonk3y | does it include mobility 1.0? |
| 17:04.35 | MohammadAG | is this legal? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65221 |
| 17:05.09 | Noobmonk3y | lol good question |
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| 17:05.26 | javispedro | n900 says: mmcblk0: p1 p2 p3 p4 < p5 p6 p7 > |
| 17:05.37 | kerio | why the hell do you need that many partitions |
| 17:05.42 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: Can i use QTmobility on the n900 now? (PR1.3 etc) |
| 17:05.48 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: http://pastebin.com/nq56TiCu |
| 17:05.49 | javispedro | kerio: atm I'm just trying to reproduce |
| 17:06.01 | chrissbx | I guess the kernel being 2 years old on a fresh install of the latest firmware, and no upgrades available, means that Nokia doesn't take security serious (at all)? |
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| 17:06.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: unfortunately you're not reaching the magic number of 8 |
| 17:06.13 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, libqtm-dev |
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| 17:06.22 | Noobmonk3y | ? |
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| 17:06.52 | Noobmonk3y | if i build a package with it, will i be able to package it and put it in maemo.org? |
| 17:06.53 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: why is that a magic number? |
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| 17:07.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I do not know :( |
| 17:07.09 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, yeah, libqtm* is in devel |
| 17:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 17:07.16 | MohammadAG | or SSU repos, not sure |
| 17:07.24 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: why do you say is that a magic number? |
| 17:07.26 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmm |
| 17:07.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: http://maemo.pastebin.com/6r9jLgbv |
| 17:07.48 | Noobmonk3y | ok.... when i try to code, qt creator isnt recognising lines like#include <QSystemInfo> |
| 17:07.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: because for some reason it cannot read logical partitions after #8 (inclusive) |
| 17:08.56 | javispedro | if you have an empty card and want to waste a bit of time ( ;) ), I suggest you try to reproduce it. |
| 17:10.13 | javispedro | (cause personally I'm going to workaround it by... having less than 8 partitions :) ) |
| 17:10.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: neither of both. I suggest you check maemo's diskdriver. Nr of allowable partitionsl may be limited |
| 17:11.03 | javispedro | good point. I thought all drivers used same code for reading partition table layout? |
| 17:11.13 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 17:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | there's to be some kernel space table to hold per device partition info. It has a limited arbitrary size if it's not a linked list |
| 17:12.21 | javispedro | aaaah |
| 17:12.41 | DocScrutinizer | just like process table |
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| 17:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | probably grep in config |
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| 17:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | to find the option to dimension it |
| 17:15.07 | javispedro | bangs head agains desk |
| 17:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | process table of maemo is limited to 1000 it seems to me. No idea about size of partition table, maybe 8 ? :-D |
| 17:15.12 | javispedro | http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle-20091116/source/kernel/drivers/mmc/card/block.c#45 |
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| 17:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 17:16.09 | javispedro | evil. |
| 17:16.17 | javispedro | also, you were completely right =) |
| 17:16.27 | yacc | Any idea what could make my N900 claim that it cannot play mp3 in mediaplayer (extras-devel enabled, and the phone app does not play nor record sound either). |
| 17:17.01 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i'll find the limitation soon |
| 17:17.15 | kthomas_vh_ | way to get current gateway address? ifconfig? |
| 17:17.26 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: sure |
| 17:17.31 | javispedro | PaulFertser: seems it has to do with minor number allocation. seen the comment and the two constants below it? |
| 17:17.41 | alterego | kthomas_vh_: route -n |
| 17:17.45 | kthomas_vh_ | valdyn, optin ... |
| 17:17.48 | kthomas_vh_ | alterego, tks |
| 17:17.57 | PaulFertser | javispedro: that's exactly what i think, that there're only 8 minors allocated. I'll check where it comes from. |
| 17:18.02 | javispedro | PaulFertser: current driver seems to do static allocation, dividing total available space / 8 (thus 8 minors per card max) |
| 17:18.13 | javispedro | yep |
| 17:18.20 | kthomas_vh_ | though that may assume that the correct gateway is set via route, ... |
| 17:18.22 | kthomas_vh_ | checks that |
| 17:18.41 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: sorry, what i said was nonsense |
| 17:19.03 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: you can set it via route, you cant set it via ifconfig, you can also set it via the ip command etc |
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| 17:19.06 | javispedro | PaulFertser: DocScrutinizer: fortunately, it's nice to know that such mmc subsystem limitation won't affect usbhost mass storage partition numbering :) |
| 17:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | kthomas_vh_: so what else is "current gateway" then, if not what's set in route? :-D |
| 17:19.39 | kthomas_vh_ | valdyn, it will *show* |
| 17:19.50 | kthomas_vh_ | DocScrutinizer, well, |
| 17:19.53 | yacc | any idea what could make a n900 so completely mute? |
| 17:19.57 | kthomas_vh_ | assume assigned by DHCP |
| 17:20.04 | yacc | Don't fancy reflashing the thing. |
| 17:20.05 | kthomas_vh_ | but not set in route |
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| 17:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | then it's not *gateway* |
| 17:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | but just another NIC |
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| 17:20.38 | kthomas_vh_ | easy for you to say |
| 17:20.53 | kthomas_vh_ | the question is thus how to determine the correct gateway to use |
| 17:20.58 | darkschneider | mm it is still needed to install the power user kernel to have mobilehotspot work? cause it's not in the deps anymore, it instead lists the "normal" kernel and modules |
| 17:21.06 | kthomas_vh_ | in such a situation, so I can set it via route :) |
| 17:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | that's a slightly different question :-) |
| 17:21.11 | javispedro | goes rebuild his mbr again. |
| 17:21.12 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: routing can be done funny ways, that means you dont necessarily have a gateway at all |
| 17:22.10 | kthomas_vh_ | it means I have a usb stick from Clear plugged into my 900, and am trying to figure out the next issue :P |
| 17:22.20 | PaulFertser | javispedro: there's a bug in the driver i believe. |
| 17:22.29 | PaulFertser | javispedro: it was reworked since then upstream. |
| 17:22.33 | javispedro | ah |
| 17:22.35 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: what kind of usb stick? |
| 17:22.52 | javispedro | "unfortunate design decision", I'd say. |
| 17:23.04 | kthomas_vh_ | it's their wimax, I *think* its working |
| 17:23.17 | PaulFertser | javispedro: no, i'd say that's a bug. They were going to use 32 minors. |
| 17:23.18 | kthomas_vh_ | at least, I have a wimax0 interface |
| 17:23.29 | valdyn | neat |
| 17:23.31 | kthomas_vh_ | and I have an IP |
| 17:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: surprise surprise :-P |
| 17:23.36 | javispedro | PaulFertser: comment in code says 8? |
| 17:23.41 | javispedro | http://lxr.linux.no/linux+*/drivers/mmc/card/block.c#L48 |
| 17:23.42 | kthomas_vh_ | whether it can communicate, who knows :) |
| 17:23.50 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: as i said, you dont necessarily get a gateway |
| 17:23.55 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: look at the netmask |
| 17:24.03 | kthomas_vh_ | yes (on both) |
| 17:24.05 | PaulFertser | javispedro: hm, probably i'm wrong though. |
| 17:24.27 | kthomas_vh_ | it's defined in config files as far as I can tell (gateway acquisition under wimax) |
| 17:24.51 | PaulFertser | javispedro: comment in the code says 8 but MMC_NUM_MINORS evaluates to 32, but then alloc_disk uses 1<3 again. |
| 17:25.05 | kthomas_vh_ | probably now would be a good time to contact tech support and ask for the correct gateway IP :) |
| 17:25.10 | javispedro | hum, touche. weirdo. |
| 17:25.31 | valdyn | kthomas_vh_: just set the netmask to 0.0.0.0 and see if that works? |
| 17:25.37 | javispedro | either way I'd make it 32 partitions x 8 cards. |
| 17:25.37 | kthomas_vh_ | heh |
| 17:25.44 | javispedro | Sounds more reasonable than 8 partitions x 32 cards =) |
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| 17:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
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| 17:26.53 | DocScrutinizer | in times of 32GB uSD XP |
| 17:26.55 | yacc | What could make the mediaplayer claim that it cannot play mp3 files? |
| 17:27.39 | DocScrutinizer | installed codecs messed |
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| 17:27.44 | valdyn | yacc: does restarting fix the issue? |
| 17:27.58 | DocScrutinizer | or DSP locked up? |
| 17:28.11 | DocScrutinizer | see valdyn ^^^ |
| 17:29.04 | javispedro | oh, thank god I pastebinned the original mbr =) |
| 17:29.11 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i think i understand it now: the minors are common for all devices, so in the old scheme only 3 bits out of 32 were used for partitions, other 5 bits for disks. Now it's configurable. |
| 17:29.38 | chrissbx | Anyone running Debian on the n800? |
| 17:29.43 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i think this commit (to configure the amount) can be cherry-picked or one can just change 3 to 4 and release a new kernel rev. |
| 17:29.53 | yacc | valdyn, nope, and the phone app is mute (neither playback nor recording) too. |
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| 17:30.36 | javispedro | PaulFertser: makes sense |
| 17:30.48 | PaulFertser | (3 bits out of 8 of course) |
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| 17:31.01 | sjk | hey guys. If I want to install zsh, should I just go ahead and add some debian or ubuntu repository and then apt-get? |
| 17:31.08 | javispedro | either way seems quite a wasteful allocation scheme |
| 17:31.21 | javispedro | but easy to implement :) |
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| 17:31.42 | chrissbx | sjk: I'm a newbie but I'm pretty sure you can't install Debian debs on Maemo. |
| 17:31.55 | yacc | Any idea where I could see some form of logs? Seems like some dbus services are not there? (something like .xsession-error on a normal box), ... |
| 17:31.56 | PaulFertser | javispedro: indeed. |
| 17:32.07 | sjk | Ahh |
| 17:32.11 | sjk | Hmmm |
| 17:32.54 | chrissbx | sjk: go to maemo.org, there's a list of packages you can install from the browser. |
| 17:33.11 | chrissbx | not sure about zsh. Someone just told me there's bash, though. |
| 17:33.16 | RST38h | Ah,there is a fresh Fringe episode |
| 17:33.45 | chrissbx | But I would really like to run plain Debian, not in a chroot but directly on the metal. |
| 17:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: javispedro: any better idea (alloc scheme)? |
| 17:34.15 | chrissbx | "plain" as in, smallest set of modifications needed to make it work usably. |
| 17:34.27 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: javispedro: AIUI we got 8bit major, 8bit minor |
| 17:35.10 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: my question would be "why this does not work the way pata/sata disks work" (aka via scsi subsystem) |
| 17:35.13 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, that's up to the wise guys to allocate major/minors sanely. |
| 17:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: javispedro: if we're going to code several cards and their partitions into 8bit minor, we're limited to any sheme like that |
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| 17:35.54 | javispedro | also you get all those nice SCSI-reserved majors =) |
| 17:36.11 | javispedro | cat /proc/devices | grep -c sd : 16 :) |
| 17:36.24 | javispedro | oh, useless use of cat. /me loses karma points. |
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| 17:36.58 | sjk | chrissbx, there is a zsh tgz on talk.maemo.org with "No patches installed. Just plain zsh-4.3.10 from their ftp with configure flags from archlinux and --prefix in /opt." |
| 17:37.17 | yacc | Ultimate weirdness. Deinstalling pidgin returned the sound, ... |
| 17:37.19 | yacc | Hmmm. |
| 17:37.30 | DocScrutinizer | I'd vote for a 16/16 |
| 17:37.32 | javispedro | yacc: wild guess: pidgin daemon grabbing alsa device exclusively |
| 17:37.38 | yacc | Could it be that pidgin somehow claimed the hardware audio device or something like that? |
| 17:37.43 | javispedro | :) |
| 17:37.45 | sjk | wish suggests one should be able to run regular debs? (But I am not sure) |
| 17:37.56 | yacc | javispedro, well, it has worked for weeks, and now it stopped :) |
| 17:38.07 | PaulFertser | javispedro: for scsi devices it's 4 bits, the limit for partitions is 15 anyway. |
| 17:38.11 | MohammadAG | I'm losing audio too for some reason |
| 17:38.18 | yacc | javispedro, I can see how extras-devel is not necessarily something for "normal users" ;) |
| 17:38.21 | MohammadAG | missed 3 calls the other day cause of it |
| 17:38.52 | PaulFertser | javispedro: at least that's what's written for the 2.6.28 kernel. |
| 17:38.55 | chrissbx | sjk: wish? You can have Debian in a chroot, see "easy debian" or some such. |
| 17:39.01 | javispedro | PaulFertser: ah, didn't know. |
| 17:39.41 | sjk | chrissbx, which*... sorry, I get all messed up ircing from the mobile |
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| 17:40.14 | chrissbx | sjk: you could also try to install on maemo, but I guess it will at least want to slurp most of the Debian base packages, which will run into conflicts with files from maemo packages I guess. |
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| 17:40.28 | yacc | javispedro, I wonder if there is some place where I can see logfiles? Would make understanding such a malfunction much easier if some process would have complained "dieing because cannot get the sound device", ... |
| 17:40.41 | chrissbx | sjk: that's just an idea, and a bad one, don't do it if you care about not breaking stuff! |
| 17:40.46 | sjk | chrissbx, nod |
| 17:41.05 | javispedro | yacc: you need to install sysklogd and monitor /var/log/syslog |
| 17:41.14 | javispedro | yacc: there should be instructions for that on wiki, search syslog |
| 17:41.17 | yacc | syslog did not show anything, ... |
| 17:41.30 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: for usb subsystem they implemented some sort of dynamic minors allocation. |
| 17:41.39 | javispedro | yacc: nothing at all? syslog on a normal system has a shitload of noise. |
| 17:42.01 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: sounds way smarter |
| 17:42.12 | yacc | javispedro, anyway, currently pidgin in extras-devel is broken, libpurple is incompatible with pidgin, claiming both the same file for themselves :) |
| 17:42.27 | javispedro | yacc: don't ask me, I'm no matainer of that :) |
| 17:42.30 | yacc | javispedro, no, nothing as in nothing that was easily recognizable as an error message. |
| 17:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: odds are the process silently ignores a failing audio_open() |
| 17:44.42 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: even worse, it might succeed and then block |
| 17:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: nvm, forgot your initial issue |
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| 17:48.41 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: mute phone app, and mute mediaplayer claiming that it cannot play "that media format", that being in this case mp3. |
| 17:49.05 | javispedro | has pulseaudio crashed maybe? |
| 17:49.05 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | or pidgin using some "weird" way to output sound. Like in, a frequent "where's /dev/dsp" to be found here in this chan... :-S |
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| 17:51.14 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: No idea, now it's back to working, even after I've reinstalled pidgin manually (it needed a --force on dpkg) |
| 17:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | *loves* the 5198 ways to mess up sound available on a recent system with PA shit |
| 17:51.54 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Ah, you haven't even yet tried to make to different users to access one PA server, ... |
| 17:52.31 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: In theory cool thing. In practice on an ubuntu box it took me weeks before the pain was big enough that I fixed it correctly, ... |
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| 17:53.04 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Fascinating pidgin is running and I've got still sound, ... |
| 17:53.07 | javispedro | yacc: distros do not want you do that, they want one user owning audio device |
| 17:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | you bet I didn't. Usually deinstalling PA and fixing ALSA proper is first thing to do for audio on a box |
| 17:53.37 | MohammadAG | yacc, it's not pigeon |
| 17:53.41 | javispedro | hates ALSA with passion since reading just a single page of their client libraries documentation :) |
| 17:53.49 | MohammadAG | I hope it's not a bug in PR1.3, since again, it's happened to me twice already |
| 17:53.56 | javispedro | the PA one is a mess, but their "simple" one is ... simple. |
| 17:54.20 | DocScrutinizer | evidently, see yacc :-P |
| 17:54.23 | javispedro | ALSA "simple" API is so fugly that even their own devs say "no one uses it correctly" (mixer api for ex.) |
| 17:54.42 | yacc | javispedro, yeah, but I'm a little bit stubborn, I don't see why a distribution should change my way of doing things, especially if I've been running two X servers to split private from work for almost a decade now. |
| 17:55.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: at the end of the story, I'm going to side with RST38h and demand my /dev/dsp back. With hardware mixing if possible. |
| 17:55.40 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 17:55.50 | javispedro | yacc: the eternal debate. |
| 17:56.01 | javispedro | yacc: get gentoo. |
| 17:56.15 | yacc | javispedro, well, not 100% sure, "something" is clearly needed, one of the most irritating things is installing a new desktop environment and trying to figure out what program/function caused to play sound just now, ... |
| 17:56.33 | yacc | javispedro, gentoo is not really to my taste ;) |
| 17:56.47 | yacc | javispedro, I see no point in compiling everything myself, ... |
| 17:56.50 | javispedro | yacc: I recently switched to gentoo not for being a source-based distribution, but because you get packages the nearest to upstream as possible. |
| 17:57.30 | javispedro | specially with certain use flags :) |
| 17:57.37 | yacc | javispedro, how so? |
| 17:58.16 | javispedro | yacc: "how so"? |
| 17:58.29 | yacc | use flags and nearest to upstream? |
| 17:58.54 | javispedro | eg -bindist and/or branding |
| 17:59.09 | javispedro | no ugly icons, but gnome default ones. |
| 18:01.45 | javispedro | btw, what charset do we use in this channel? Seems logs use UTF-8, so I guess that's it. |
| 18:03.12 | Noobmonk3y | javispedro: is it you that i need to pat on the back for preenv? :) |
| 18:03.56 | javispedro | Noobmonk3y: I guess... |
| 18:04.04 | Noobmonk3y | hehe, congrats - very impressed! |
| 18:04.42 | Noobmonk3y | pretty sure that app has single handly helped fix one of the maemo holes - games! :) (Well of that quality!) |
| 18:04.48 | javispedro | heh :) |
| 18:05.20 | javispedro | still, not impressed at the quality of the average game. |
| 18:05.35 | javispedro | save for x-plane. I love it. Then again I'm kinda a flight sim fan.. |
| 18:05.35 | Noobmonk3y | meh, tis relatively new and works well ;) - i'll allow a few bugs lol! |
| 18:05.43 | Noobmonk3y | ooo not bought that 1 yet |
| 18:06.04 | Noobmonk3y | i love settlers, not great with no double touch screen thingy, but overall good fun |
| 18:06.52 | javispedro | never tried |
| 18:07.43 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
| 18:07.45 | chrissbx | The capcha on http://talk.maemo.org/register.php is broken. So I cannot register. |
| 18:08.07 | chrissbx | captcha |
| 18:08.24 | lcuk | clicked the hamster and it appeared to take to next step |
| 18:08.27 | lcuk | whats not working for you? |
| 18:08.31 | lcuk | or are you not human? |
| 18:08.44 | chrissbx | Hum, for me no pictures appear. |
| 18:08.45 | javispedro | a hamster? :) |
| 18:08.56 | chrissbx | Oh, privoxy maybe. |
| 18:09.16 | lcuk | fills cheeks |
| 18:10.36 | Noobmonk3y | looks at the hamster..... |
| 18:10.54 | Noobmonk3y | bloody hamsters |
| 18:12.16 | Noobmonk3y | doesnt understand qt mobility |
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| 18:18.09 | alterego | Noobmonk3y: anything in particulary? |
| 18:18.19 | Noobmonk3y | alterego: erm, using it lol |
| 18:18.21 | alterego | I've had quite a bit of experience with the API's. |
| 18:18.27 | alterego | :) |
| 18:18.28 | Noobmonk3y | finally got the right qt creator :) |
| 18:18.31 | alterego | Heh |
| 18:18.38 | Noobmonk3y | so i'm now actually compiling in qt4.7 |
| 18:18.44 | Noobmonk3y | yay! only taken a day lol |
| 18:19.01 | Noobmonk3y | so now i was gonna try something simple with qt mobility, but it doesnt seem to like me |
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| 18:19.16 | chrissbx | What kernel are you running, the one from 2008? |
| 18:19.19 | Noobmonk3y | for example, if i add #include <QSystemInfo> |
| 18:19.30 | Noobmonk3y | it says file/folder not found in qt before i even compile |
| 18:19.35 | Noobmonk3y | (yellow squiggly line) |
| 18:20.12 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, I think you need to edit the .pro file |
| 18:20.22 | MohammadAG | CONFIG += mobility or something |
| 18:20.47 | Noobmonk3y | QT += core gui maemo5 network |
| 18:20.47 | Noobmonk3y | CONFIG += mobility |
| 18:20.48 | Noobmonk3y | MOBILITY = systeminfo |
| 18:20.51 | Noobmonk3y | thats my current one :) |
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| 18:21.06 | Noobmonk3y | (and i'm trying to use the systeminfo one lol) |
| 18:21.11 | alterego | Looks fine |
| 18:21.21 | alterego | You need to have QTM_USE_NAMESPACE |
| 18:21.28 | Noobmonk3y | was using this http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/quickstart.html |
| 18:21.29 | alterego | in your source file to use the mobility namespace. |
| 18:21.45 | alterego | Ah right. |
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| 18:22.03 | Noobmonk3y | it's in there |
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| 18:23.06 | Noobmonk3y | makes me think something else isnt set up correctly |
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| 18:23.32 | alterego | Well, what is your error |
| 18:24.19 | Noobmonk3y | well, i'm stuck at the squigly yellow lines |
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| 18:24.30 | Noobmonk3y | #include <QSystemInfo> = no such file or directory |
| 18:25.00 | Noobmonk3y | and wherever i put QTM_USE_NAMESPACE i get an error |
| 18:25.05 | alterego | Hrm, pastie.org your .pro file for me :) |
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| 18:26.00 | Noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/gAMNSMhj |
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| 18:28.49 | Noobmonk3y | can't see anything majorly wrong with it :| |
| 18:29.08 | Noobmonk3y | i'm assuming once it is in there, qt recognises it throughout the rest of the code, therefore no quiggly lines? |
| 18:29.15 | alterego | Yeah |
| 18:29.17 | alterego | Should do |
| 18:29.27 | alterego | Using madde? |
| 18:29.37 | Noobmonk3y | erm, using whatever qt creator uses |
| 18:29.38 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:29.52 | Noobmonk3y | have madde on my device |
| 18:29.54 | alterego | Wait, bottom left of Qt creator, have you set maemo as the target? |
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| 18:30.16 | Noobmonk3y | its going straight to the device |
| 18:30.20 | Noobmonk3y | runs normally fine |
| 18:30.34 | Noobmonk3y | only errors when i add the mobility stuff |
| 18:31.08 | maher | i have an n900 - it doesn't update its time (i.e. from daylight savings or from changing time zone) unless i turn it off and then back on - is there a better way of doing this? |
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| 18:31.31 | alterego | bbiab |
| 18:31.56 | Noobmonk3y | okies |
| 18:32.18 | DocScrutinizer | maher: go into flight mode and back. Do a phonecall. Install ntpd |
| 18:33.43 | DocScrutinizer | N900 'automatic' time is merely based on GSM date/time msgs, which depending on your carrier, may come or may not come or regular basis, on traffic like registration/call, or never |
| 18:34.02 | maher | DocScrutinizer: is there a bug filed on this? if i set an alarm the day before daylight savings it would be nice if it went off at the right time... |
| 18:34.09 | nidO | "automatic" time has nothing to do with the device automatically updating timezone based on the date though, DocScrutinizer |
| 18:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | duh, what? |
| 18:35.33 | nidO | "update automatically" is the option to use GSM time transmissions (and doesnt work properly anyway), the device should (and at least in my case does) switch between daylight savings and not depending on the date regardless of whether update automatically is ticked |
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| 18:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | DST switching should be handled on-system, without being reliant on GSM. Timezone setting is yet another topic |
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| 18:37.18 | maher | i'm confused - in Settings -> Date and time it says my time zone is GMT-5 - but it seems to know about daylight savings time - I would really like my timezone to be US EST (with the daylight savings adjustments) |
| 18:38.43 | DocScrutinizer | maher: if "auto" works for you, then fine. If not you'll disable it, and might want to install ntpd instead |
| 18:38.48 | maher | nidO: so your device automatically changes for daylight savings? how do you get it to do that? |
| 18:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | though ntpd isn't recommended by me for devices with internittent connectivity |
| 18:39.12 | nidO | well, it just did it itself a week ago |
| 18:39.20 | nidO | and testing it now, it does the same |
| 18:39.34 | nidO | if i switch the date back a month, it immediately shows itself as BST (GMT+1) |
| 18:39.44 | nidO | then correct the date, and it shows GMT. |
| 18:40.16 | maher | ok - when i change the location it wants to reboot the device |
| 18:40.54 | DocScrutinizer | ok - when I change the location, then I'm gone for dinner o/ |
| 18:42.21 | maher | nidO: how do you change the date? |
| 18:42.52 | nidO | by clicking the date then entering a new one. if its greyed out for you, untick "update automatically" |
| 18:44.07 | maher | nidO: ok - if i put the date back to yesterday it doesn't change the clock by an hour |
| 18:44.23 | dRbiG | does anyone here have infocmp (from proper ncurses-bin) built for maemo5? |
| 18:45.24 | dRbiG | i just need this one exe so compiling whole ncurses in the scratchbox seems a bit of an overkill |
| 18:46.23 | javispedro | lol |
| 18:46.27 | javispedro | WebOS 2 already ships Qt |
| 18:46.34 | javispedro | and even some system apps link with it... |
| 18:46.40 | javispedro | what are you up to, Jaaksi? =) |
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| 18:50.12 | Jaffa | javispedro: WebOS based on MeeGo, at some point, p'raps |
| 18:51.48 | javispedro | who knows... |
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| 19:08.00 | trumee | crap my facebrick crapped out. Facebook no longer authorizes it. Comes back with an error. |
| 19:08.32 | trumee | anybody knows where does facebrick store its settings. I might try to salvage something from my backup. |
| 19:10.57 | gpgp | isnt DST location based ? do you have a location in use ? |
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| 19:28.37 | PaulFertser | Come on, for proper DST handling just set proper timezone, exactly like it should be done on any unix-like system... |
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| 19:29.22 | thresh | waves |
| 19:29.31 | thresh | ~pr1.3 |
| 19:29.31 | infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 19:29.40 | thresh | kthx |
| 19:30.15 | Aranel | We're working on a theme but; make: maemo-optify: Command not found when building the pkg. What's wrong? |
| 19:30.52 | Jaffa | Aranel: Building it where/ |
| 19:31.01 | Aranel | Jaffa: scratchbox |
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| 19:31.53 | Jaffa | Aranel: I'd guess your rootstrap is really old, and doesn't include the maemo-optify addition |
| 19:32.09 | Jaffa | Aranel: You should just be able to `apt-get install maemo-optify' as a workaround |
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| 19:33.50 | Aranel | Jaffa: E: Couldn't find package maemo-optify |
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| 19:34.10 | Aranel | Jaffa: how can I update it to newest? Do I have to start over? |
| 19:35.25 | chrissbx | Is "armel" the matching Debian architecture for the n8x0? |
| 19:35.48 | chrissbx | Just double checking, forgot which endianess is which. |
| 19:36.53 | Jaffa | Aranel: More info around http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/re-maemo-optify-autobuilder--opt-022/. If you're getting 'not found' it sounds like you've not got the right repos installed. |
| 19:37.02 | Jaffa | Aranel: Not got time to help, though, I'm afraid. |
| 19:37.19 | Aranel | Jaffa: thanks anyway. :) |
| 19:37.56 | thresh | duh I hate when nokia doesnt allow me to wget the binary image |
| 19:38.04 | Aranel | Jaffa: If I upload it straight to extras-devel and If it kills somebody or starts a war, am I responsible about it? |
| 19:38.34 | javispedro | Aranel: you can use the autobuilder optifier |
| 19:38.39 | javispedro | just echo auto > debian/optify |
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| 19:39.58 | chrissbx | Aranel: imagine it leads to a butterfly flapping its wings! |
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| 19:43.35 | Aranel | javispedro: ok now I'm doing it :) can you share your /etc/apt/sources.list with me? It seems like some entries are missing on mine. |
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| 19:44.10 | Aranel | chrissbx: lol xD |
| 19:46.05 | javispedro | Aranel: http://repository.maemo.org/ |
| 19:46.35 | javispedro | Aranel: read "Repositories for Maemo SDKs". Also enable extras-devel. |
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| 19:47.48 | Jef91 | So as of PR1.3 my bluetooth headset no longer works with phone calls on my n900.... Any suggestions on why this may be? |
| 19:48.16 | alterego | Have you paired it again? |
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| 19:48.39 | Jef91 | Yep. |
| 19:48.42 | Jef91 | It works for music |
| 19:48.45 | Jef91 | and my GPS |
| 19:48.50 | Jef91 | but doesn't work at all for phone calls |
| 19:48.50 | nox- | moin |
| 19:48.52 | alterego | Weird. |
| 19:48.58 | kerio | >not a phone |
| 19:48.58 | alterego | Well, no idea, never used BT headset |
| 19:49.01 | MohammadAG | stock pulseaudio? |
| 19:49.05 | thresh | have you tried turning it off and on again? |
| 19:49.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | delete, then pair new |
| 19:49.08 | Jef91 | Stock pulse audio |
| 19:49.25 | Jef91 | Don't think I've done that yet doc let me try it |
| 19:49.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | call is SDP, everything else A2DP |
| 19:50.00 | ds3 | eh? |
| 19:50.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | SCP* |
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| 19:50.19 | ds3 | eh? |
| 19:50.42 | ds3 | HSP/HFP both using SCO audio if that's the alpha soup you are looking for :D |
| 19:50.43 | PaulFertser | ds3: bi-directional exchange with a BT headset is done in a very different way. |
| 19:51.03 | alterego | Hrm, I'd quite like to get my laptop to act as a bluetooth headset for my N900 |
| 19:51.05 | alterego | That'd be cool. |
| 19:51.07 | PaulFertser | ds3: and the guy says it works for music for him (A2DP). |
| 19:51.24 | Jef91 | removing the pair and re-adding it did not work Docscrutinizer51 :-/ |
| 19:51.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | SCO, sorry |
| 19:51.29 | ds3 | yes, and I think the audio is physically routed differently |
| 19:52.03 | Jef91 | What is ever more f***ed up, is that when I get a phone call the headset rings still - but when I press answer it goes dead |
| 19:52.19 | ds3 | did something screw with a McBSP? |
| 19:52.28 | Jef91 | McBSP? |
| 19:52.50 | ds3 | the synchronous serial port on the OMAP that handles the audio |
| 19:53.27 | Jef91 | Not that I am aware of |
| 19:53.30 | Jef91 | how would I check that? |
| 19:53.37 | ds3 | Jef91: are you using a stock kernel? |
| 19:54.03 | javispedro | alterego: I was surprised that Win7 seems to come with that feature |
| 19:54.15 | Jef91 | 2.6.28.10power40 ds3 |
| 19:54.19 | javispedro | alterego: (it might be oem crap actually, don't remember) |
| 19:54.28 | Jef91 | Not if that is stock or of something I installed added that |
| 19:54.30 | alterego | Heh, cool |
| 19:54.40 | ds3 | Jef91: that's the poweruser kernel from the look of it |
| 19:54.46 | alterego | Can't find anything on the net about doing it under Linux :/ |
| 19:54.53 | ds3 | wonder if your problem happens with the stock nokia kernel |
| 19:55.02 | Jef91 | Any idea how I revert it? |
| 19:55.15 | ds3 | donno, the last time I tried it, I had to reflash :( |
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| 19:56.24 | Jef91 | I don't see why the kernel would kill just audio from the calls though |
| 19:58.02 | alterego | I don't either, but we can't support you if you're using dodgy builds :P |
| 19:58.20 | Jef91 | pff |
| 19:58.28 | Jef91 | Yea yea. |
| 19:58.36 | Jef91 | I'll just deal with it I guess, or maybe flash back to PR1.2 |
| 19:58.44 | Jef91 | didn't notice anything new in 1.3 |
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| 19:59.21 | ds3 | *shrug* |
| 19:59.38 | ds3 | now if I can only find a low profile microUSB connector |
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| 20:03.44 | MohammadAG | Jef91, or go back to stock kernel |
| 20:04.13 | Jef91 | MohammadAG how? |
| 20:04.45 | MohammadAG | Jef91, there's an icon in the app menu |
| 20:05.33 | chrissbx | When using mount -o loop img /mnt/somewhere, it says it "failed"; now I realize there is no "losetup" binary. But /dev/loop* exist. |
| 20:05.49 | chrissbx | Does maemo just not support loop mounts? |
| 20:06.41 | chrissbx | Well, /bin/mount is a symlink to busybox, so it seems likely just the userspace not supporting it; |
| 20:06.47 | chrissbx | but, how would you solve that? |
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| 20:08.25 | javispedro | what does easydebian do here? |
| 20:08.38 | MohammadAG | chrissbx, loop mounts work, load the needed file system module |
| 20:08.46 | MohammadAG | if img is an iso, you need isofs.ko |
| 20:08.47 | MohammadAG | etc |
| 20:08.57 | chrissbx | It's ext2 |
| 20:09.15 | javispedro | maybe force -t ext3 ? |
| 20:09.17 | chrissbx | "cannot parse modules.dep", wow |
| 20:10.09 | chrissbx | modprobe -l silently returns nothing. |
| 20:10.17 | chrissbx | depmod isn't there. |
| 20:10.28 | chrissbx | Hell I wish I'd just have plain Debian here. |
| 20:10.36 | javispedro | so, install easydebian. |
| 20:10.48 | chrissbx | No, full Debian, not a chroot. |
| 20:10.53 | javispedro | what's the difference? |
| 20:10.55 | alterego | chrissbx: works for me. |
| 20:11.07 | alterego | chrissbx: mount -o loop -t ext2 tmp.bin /mnt |
| 20:11.08 | chrissbx | That depmod would be there, loop mounts would just work... |
| 20:11.19 | thresh | and again, after restoring a backup, appmanager doesnt do a shit |
| 20:11.20 | chrissbx | javispedro: also, that the kernel wouldn't be 2 years old.. |
| 20:11.22 | thresh | wth |
| 20:11.25 | alterego | They do, but you sometimes have to explicitly state the filesystem. |
| 20:11.35 | alterego | chrissbx: hahah, what debian are you talking about? |
| 20:12.02 | chrissbx | alterego: stable or testing, whatever you prefer |
| 20:12.12 | javispedro | chrissbx: depmod would be here, loop mounts would also work in a debian chroot. |
| 20:12.20 | alterego | Seriously though, I just created a 4Mb file with dd, made an ext2 filesystem on it and mounted, all on the N900 |
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| 20:12.43 | javispedro | chrissbx: in fact, one of the suggestions is that if you're missing any debian tool in messybox, just chroot into debian and run it. even losetup; its actions would appear Outside the chroot also. |
| 20:12.44 | chrissbx | alterego: because stable has been released 2009-02-14, which is several months *after* the last kernel from Nokia. |
| 20:13.02 | chrissbx | alterego: and Debian fixes security holes in their stable kernels, too *!* |
| 20:13.02 | javispedro | btw, cya. |
| 20:13.03 | thresh | oh yeah, it was doing stuff |
| 20:13.11 | thresh | but not telling me nor opening any window |
| 20:13.14 | thresh | :/ |
| 20:13.15 | javispedro | chrissbx: and nokia; this kernel is not 2.6.28 but 2.6.28.something |
| 20:13.56 | chrissbx | The irony is, that the exact thing I want to do is run a Debian chroot. |
| 20:13.58 | alterego | 2.6.28-hostmode2 for me ... |
| 20:14.03 | chrissbx | It's on that "mnt" loop file. |
| 20:14.06 | alterego | chrissbx: it works |
| 20:14.16 | alterego | chrissbx: what command are you using to mount your loop? |
| 20:14.38 | alterego | Because if it doesn't work for you, you're doing something wrong. |
| 20:14.55 | chrissbx | cd /mnt; mount -t ext2 -o loop,noatime /media/mmc2/DEBIAN/img debian |
| 20:15.16 | chrissbx | What's your command? And your filesystem type? |
| 20:15.37 | alterego | mount -o loop -t ext2 tmp.bin /mnt |
| 20:16.01 | alterego | Where did you get 'img' from? |
| 20:16.13 | MohammadAG | (there's stock ext2/3 support btw) |
| 20:16.24 | alterego | Yeah, exactly. |
| 20:16.27 | jacekowski | first |
| 20:16.29 | chrissbx | I created it from my laptop. |
| 20:16.35 | jacekowski | where you managed to get that error message |
| 20:16.36 | alterego | So it makes me think, his image isn't actually what he thinks it is ^.^ |
| 20:16.41 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 20:16.46 | jacekowski | wrong |
| 20:16.54 | jacekowski | what error message do you get? |
| 20:17.09 | jacekowski | just failed? |
| 20:17.13 | jacekowski | what does dmesg say? |
| 20:17.32 | chrissbx | It says "mount: mounting /dev/loop0 on /mnt/debian failed" |
| 20:17.33 | MohammadAG | also, if depmod is missing then... depmod -a? |
| 20:17.42 | chrissbx | Nothing related in dmesg |
| 20:17.59 | chrissbx | No depmod command. |
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| 20:18.14 | jacekowski | cat /proc/fileststems | freo ext |
| 20:18.21 | MohammadAG | chrissbx, as root |
| 20:18.23 | jacekowski | cat /proc/filesystems | freo ext |
| 20:18.32 | jacekowski | cat /proc/filesystems | grep* ext |
| 20:18.42 | oshin | that make me man freo |
| 20:18.52 | chrissbx | nothing, no ext2 in that proc file |
| 20:18.53 | MohammadAG | chrissbx, fyi, depmod works for me |
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| 20:18.58 | sjk | Hm, I can't seem to rename files in ~/MyDocs/DCIM. Anyone know why that is? |
| 20:19.13 | MohammadAG | it's not in user's $PATH though, /sbin/depmod |
| 20:19.15 | MohammadAG | or do it as root |
| 20:19.31 | alterego | chrissbx: what kernel are you using? |
| 20:19.31 | chrissbx | MohammadAG: there's no /sbin/depmod on my device. |
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| 20:20.19 | chrissbx | Linux Nokia-N800-43-7 2.6.21-omap1 #2 Tue Oct 14 11:25:25 EEST 2008 armv6l unknown |
| 20:20.32 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 20:20.36 | jacekowski | n800 |
| 20:21.17 | alterego | chrissbx: use modprobe .. |
| 20:21.17 | thresh | very few people are still alive who used those |
| 20:21.42 | chrissbx | This is a practically fresh install with flasher-3.5 -F maemo/RX-34_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 20:22.15 | alterego | I can't really comment though, I am using a custom kernel at the moment. |
| 20:22.16 | chrissbx | alterego: as I said, modprobe doesn't work, as it seems because the module index is broken, and there's no depmod to fix it. |
| 20:22.26 | MohammadAG | oh, n800 |
| 20:22.27 | chrissbx | alterego: how do you do that? |
| 20:22.32 | MohammadAG | you could've said that before... |
| 20:22.38 | alterego | :D |
| 20:22.45 | chrissbx | alterego: because I really really want to run Debian directly on it |
| 20:23.00 | alterego | I wouldn't. |
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| 20:23.10 | alterego | You'd lose the ability to do, well, a lot of stuff. |
| 20:23.15 | alterego | Use the debian chroot .. |
| 20:23.27 | alterego | Or do what I do, buy a debian server and ssh to it :P |
| 20:24.12 | chrissbx | alterego: if you can run a custom kernel, and still have the features you want, then why wouldn't I have those features with Debian other than missing userspace? |
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| 20:24.37 | chrissbx | I can copy over the binaries it really need if necessary; but also, I don't mind loosing functionality, |
| 20:25.07 | alterego | Because, like you said, our kernel is old. |
| 20:25.09 | chrissbx | I want to use this just for a couple purposes, but I do care whether it is really secure. |
| 20:25.41 | alterego | otoh, you could port the meego kernel and do your own debian build around it I suppose. |
| 20:25.46 | alterego | The meego kernel is much more up-to-date. |
| 20:25.48 | chrissbx | alterego: what, you run a custom kernel that's old, or what do you mean now? |
| 20:26.02 | chrissbx | Which kernel are you running? |
| 20:26.07 | alterego | All the N900 maemo custom kernels are based on the same kernel version. |
| 20:26.16 | alterego | 2.6.28 |
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| 20:26.22 | chrissbx | Which customizations? |
| 20:26.30 | chrissbx | Yourself, or? |
| 20:26.39 | chrissbx | Built from sources? Which patches?.. |
| 20:26.42 | alterego | Well, the one I'm running at the moment has a mod for getting the N900 into USB host mode. |
| 20:26.52 | alterego | Built from the maemo kernel source package. |
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| 20:28.51 | chx | How can you decide whether a cable advertised as N900 charger cable will charge indeed ? I have a power strip with a USB charging port and the N900 does not charge from there. It charges from the charger of the nook. |
| 20:29.16 | alterego | I can honestly say I have no idea what you just said :P |
| 20:29.23 | alterego | wanders off to do some more coding. |
| 20:29.28 | jacekowski | chx: n900 uses standard usb charger |
| 20:29.34 | jacekowski | chx: where d+ and d- lines are shorted |
| 20:29.47 | chx | yeah i read that. |
| 20:29.55 | jacekowski | chx: so as long as that's the case + you have 5V on supply lines it will charge |
| 20:30.24 | chx | Yeah. I presume this port does not feature such a shorting. Is there a cable that lends a hand? |
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| 20:30.49 | jacekowski | i don't think so |
| 20:30.55 | jacekowski | just open that power strip |
| 20:30.58 | jacekowski | and fix a problem |
| 20:31.56 | chx | i no longer have soldering equipment nor the willingness to use it :( |
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| 20:38.05 | chx | for example, http://www.boxwave.com/products/ipodchargingadapter/ipod-charging-adapter-apple-ipod-classic-120gb_3298.htm#features wouldnt this do the trick? I can't find squat what it actually does |
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| 20:49.08 | chx | What happens if you connect a CA-100 and a CA-146C together? |
| 20:50.07 | chx | I bet that will trigger charging. |
| 20:50.18 | chx | can be had from DX for $5.60 |
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| 20:53.14 | gpgp | Could someone please help me. I have a n810 flashed yesterday with ver 5.2008.43-7. Is this the most current for this device ? i cannot extend memory to the card. I cannot load maps because it says there is no card. under memory i see the internal and external cards, neither is set read only. |
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| 21:12.53 | timeless_xchat | oh no, i'm in HEL |
| 21:13.22 | T_X | hi there, is the source code for the flasher available somewhere? |
| 21:13.34 | PaulFertser | T_X: no, nokia decided you do not need that. |
| 21:13.35 | T_X | I only found the binaries on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 21:13.40 | T_X | ? |
| 21:13.46 | PaulFertser | T_X: but there's 0xFFFF that allows flashing n900. |
| 21:13.56 | PaulFertser | T_X: nokia is evil too, aren't you surprised? |
| 21:14.08 | PaulFertser | But some nice folks reversed the protocol and released 0xFFFF. |
| 21:14.15 | javispedro | gpgp: it's the latest. are you sure you can write to the cards? |
| 21:14.28 | T_X | sorry, not that familiar with gpl so far.. do they only have to provide the toolchain + flashing utilitiy or also the source code of those? |
| 21:14.56 | T_X | thanks PaulFertser, I'll have a look for the 0xFFFF |
| 21:15.10 | PaulFertser | T_X: they have no obligations to provide the source for the flashing utility as far as i know. |
| 21:15.11 | b-man` | PaulFertser: they got it flashing on the N900 now? i thought 0xFFFF could only read nand information |
| 21:15.30 | T_X | the thing is, need to reflash the device but I won't install or run any binary shit on my laptop |
| 21:15.35 | PaulFertser | T_X: http://hg.youterm.com/0xFFFF |
| 21:15.44 | PaulFertser | b-man`: they got it flashing long time ago. |
| 21:16.11 | PaulFertser | b-man`: that's the only tool i used for flashing n900 actually, never tried to contaminate my laptop with that ``flasher'' shit. |
| 21:16.52 | b-man` | ah |
| 21:17.06 | T_X | I'm also quite disappointed of the sandbox sdk stuff. when I tried it first it did not work either. guess the scripts or something is having trouble with my debian |
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| 21:17.14 | T_X | which is using a 64bit kernel, but 32bit userspace tools |
| 21:17.17 | javispedro | scratchbox. |
| 21:17.24 | T_X | eh scratchbox, sorry :) |
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| 21:20.02 | PaulFertser | T_X: probably you'll be more willing to join SHR (an OE-based distro) or Meego. |
| 21:20.40 | gpgp | javispedro: none of them are checked read only but it seems that there are old map folders on the internal card which are read only |
| 21:24.56 | timeless_xchat | if you don't want to run sourceless binaries, then the n900 isn't for you |
| 21:25.26 | timeless_xchat | can't name many platforms w/ open cell-mo's |
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| 21:30.10 | PaulFertser | T_X: btw, beware, sandbox can install proprietary crap too. |
| 21:30.24 | PaulFertser | T_X: e.g. the tool that creates fiasco images iirc. |
| 21:30.38 | javispedro | scratchbox by itself is open |
| 21:30.46 | javispedro | as long as you don't enable nokia-binaries repo |
| 21:30.54 | javispedro | and enabling it is non-trivial (requires eula and all that) |
| 21:32.06 | PaulFertser | javispedro: how one can create a fiasco image then? |
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| 21:32.33 | javispedro | PaulFertser: you know the answer.... |
| 21:32.41 | javispedro | not that I'd like to create a fiasco image for anything, btw. |
| 21:32.52 | PaulFertser | javispedro: sorry, i'm really a foreigner here, so i do not know it, honestly. |
| 21:33.06 | timeless_xchat | fiasco images aren't required |
| 21:33.20 | javispedro | PaulFertser: well, if it's true that the tool that creates fisaco images is non-free, then, by signing the eula and getting propietary "crap". |
| 21:33.23 | timeless_xchat | flasher and friends accept pieces instead... |
| 21:33.54 | PaulFertser | javispedro: and tbh i do not care, maemo was always some loosy fork and its scratchbox is a weird way to manage development. I know OE, Debian, Gentoo. Scratchbox, meh, wth is that and who needs that? |
| 21:34.24 | javispedro | PaulFertser: I am a scratchbox fan, and not the only one. |
| 21:34.29 | timeless_xchat | paul: if you don't care, then why are you here? |
| 21:34.44 | javispedro | PaulFertser: it serves a need (easy cross-building by people who don't have a clue about autocrap) |
| 21:34.50 | javispedro | s/by/for/ |
| 21:34.52 | PaulFertser | timeless_xchat: because of the promising device |
| 21:35.06 | PaulFertser | javispedro: have you tried other systems i mentioned? |
| 21:35.16 | javispedro | PaulFertser: all of them by now. |
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| 21:35.34 | javispedro | PaulFertser: OE requires changes to source; half of the Debian packages do not crossbuild cleanly, same for Gentoo (even with pandora overlay) |
| 21:35.42 | PaulFertser | javispedro: that's true. |
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| 21:36.19 | timeless_xchat | kicks here-and-now |
| 21:36.25 | timeless_xchat | it doesn't know where i am! |
| 21:38.25 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i know quite some people who choosed OE for cross-development. Same about Debian and Gentoo. Who uses scratchbox other than maemo users? Even OpenSUSE build service used by Mer is so much better. |
| 21:38.30 | timeless_xchat | is here-and-now broken? |
| 21:38.49 | javispedro | PaulFertser: read the scratchbox ML recently? :) |
| 21:38.53 | timeless_xchat | paul: you're totally missing the point |
| 21:39.13 | PaulFertser | javispedro: sure no, i'm not a maemo fan. All i did is working on the hostmode. |
| 21:39.18 | timeless_xchat | it isn't about people actively choosing good technology |
| 21:39.28 | timeless_xchat | it's about people who don't understand the technology |
| 21:39.33 | PaulFertser | javispedro: and i noticed that nokia devs can't provide sane patches to the kernel, only some loosy changelog instead. |
| 21:39.40 | timeless_xchat | but who will need *something* |
| 21:39.53 | javispedro | PaulFertser: not scratchbox's fault =) |
| 21:39.53 | timeless_xchat | something that will just magically work |
| 21:40.07 | PaulFertser | javispedro: that's just part of my impression from "maemo" |
| 21:40.11 | timeless_xchat | without requiring them to learn irrelevant crap |
| 21:40.31 | timeless_xchat | paul: do yourself a favor |
| 21:40.40 | timeless_xchat | don't misattribute your gripes |
| 21:40.48 | timeless_xchat | it will not win you friends |
| 21:40.57 | PaulFertser | timeless_xchat: i'm not seeking friends at #maemo, sorry. |
| 21:41.10 | timeless_xchat | scratchbox has many faults |
| 21:41.26 | timeless_xchat | so does nokia's dev process |
| 21:42.33 | arkenoi | anyone is willing to add zRTP support to gstreamer, OTR to telepathy and GPG to modest? I know some people who would like to provide some sponsorship for the project |
| 21:42.57 | PaulFertser | As far as i can tell the best and the most capable part of the maemo community moved on to Mer and then to MeeGo. I know they care and they didn't like scratchbox. I trust their opinions. |
| 21:43.06 | timeless_xchat | infobot, otr? |
| 21:43.11 | timeless_xchat | infobot, zrtp? |
| 21:43.28 | timeless_xchat | paul: i don't like scratchbox |
| 21:43.41 | timeless_xchat | but that doesn't mean i blame it for poor changelogs |
| 21:43.50 | timeless_xchat | or for lack of an open source flasher |
| 21:43.52 | PaulFertser | Of-the-Record, the way to give both encryption and deniability to the IM conversations. |
| 21:43.56 | javispedro | PaulFertser: key issues with it is that it's a nightmare to maintain. but note that the way they use obs is similar to the way a user uses sbox |
| 21:44.07 | timeless_xchat | or for a secretary who didn't properly book my hotel |
| 21:44.19 | timeless_xchat | or for want of a pony! |
| 21:44.21 | PaulFertser | timeless_xchat: i do not blame scratchbox for that, i'm sorry if i wasn't clear about that. |
| 21:44.25 | timeless_xchat | wants a pony |
| 21:45.28 | timeless_xchat | so otr is basically a way for each contact to publish an inbound key |
| 21:45.36 | timeless_xchat | and people encrypt using it? |
| 21:46.12 | PaulFertser | timeless_xchat: yes but then it's published and so the conversation becomes totally unsigned and unverifiable after it happened. |
| 21:46.41 | timeless_xchat | which is published? the private key? |
| 21:47.02 | PaulFertser | timeless_xchat: yes, iirc. |
| 21:47.30 | timeless_xchat | shrugs |
| 21:47.43 | timeless_xchat | the chat app is basically a web page |
| 21:47.53 | PaulFertser | Nobody can claim you really said something after that, because anyone can fake it. |
| 21:47.56 | timeless_xchat | if you can do your crypto in javascript |
| 21:48.10 | PaulFertser | But while you're still talking, you know for sure whom you're talking with. |
| 21:48.13 | timeless_xchat | you can implement this stuff |
| 21:48.35 | timeless_xchat | w/o touching telepathy |
| 21:48.48 | timeless_xchat | as for gpg... |
| 21:48.57 | timeless_xchat | modest is open... |
| 21:49.08 | timeless_xchat | it's probably about 500 lines of work |
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| 21:50.26 | timeless_xchat | actually, you'd probably spend most of the time in tinymail |
| 21:50.40 | lcuk | PaulFertser, even that first claim is incorrect. you can only go as far as saying you are speaking directly to the person with access to a specific account |
| 21:50.55 | lcuk | there is still no verifiable way of knowing who is really at the other end of the keyboard |
| 21:50.56 | PaulFertser | javispedro: (the way they use obs) but the base for the scratchbox is some outdated fork, and you can choose the base for obs as you like, including recent sane upstream releases. |
| 21:51.11 | javispedro | PaulFertser: that's the nightmarish part of sbox, upgrading it. |
| 21:51.15 | PaulFertser | lcuk: sure thing |
| 21:51.15 | jacekowski | timeless_xchat: you can do crypto in js |
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| 21:51.20 | timeless_xchat | you could do that w/ scratchbox too |
| 21:51.27 | jacekowski | timeless_xchat: but it's not very fast |
| 21:51.29 | timeless_xchat | jacekowski : i said that, no? |
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| 21:51.42 | jacekowski | you said if |
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| 21:52.12 | timeless_xchat | well if meaning "if you are a coder able to do" |
| 21:52.26 | javispedro | timeless_xchat: does the chat app use gtkhtml or browser-eal? |
| 21:53.00 | timeless_xchat | the latter |
| 21:53.18 | javispedro | ... was thinking that if you really want to use crypto in js you could potentially export a C++ crypto class to js |
| 21:53.38 | javispedro | via XPConnect or similar, if that's even available. |
| 21:53.47 | timeless_xchat | you could |
| 21:54.02 | timeless_xchat | you could also just do the work in telepathy |
| 21:54.49 | timeless_xchat | shrugs |
| 21:54.56 | timeless_xchat | kinda depends on the goal |
| 21:55.16 | timeless_xchat | do you want to persist the crypted or plain message? |
| 21:57.31 | timeless_xchat | tinymail is http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/tinymail/libtinymail/ more or less.. |
| 21:58.14 | timeless_xchat | you could do crypto in modest too, i suppose |
| 21:58.29 | timeless_xchat | but that leaves the other ui's in the cold |
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| 22:03.41 | mc_teo | how stable are the Qt4.7 python bindings? |
| 22:03.53 | mc_teo | id prefer pyqt rather than pyside |
| 22:04.51 | GeneralAntilles | I'm so tired of the stupid N900 crashing Finder.app. |
| 22:04.56 | timeless_xchat | stable as in crashy? |
| 22:05.14 | timeless_xchat | generalantilles: how's it manage that? |
| 22:05.33 | timeless_xchat | improper eject? |
| 22:05.36 | GeneralAntilles | Hell if I know. |
| 22:05.38 | GeneralAntilles | No |
| 22:05.42 | GeneralAntilles | When browsing directories |
| 22:05.53 | GeneralAntilles | It'll fail to load a folder every once and a while |
| 22:05.54 | timeless_xchat | got a stack? |
| 22:05.58 | GeneralAntilles | Which gives you a spinning beach ball. |
| 22:06.16 | GeneralAntilles | Then it wont restart with a -10810 error |
| 22:06.19 | GeneralAntilles | Which requires a reboot |
| 22:06.31 | timeless_xchat | awesome |
| 22:06.31 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: it's not n900 crashing it |
| 22:06.33 | GeneralAntilles | Snow Leopard bug that's brought out by various things. |
| 22:06.40 | jacekowski | GeneralAntilles: it's finder.app that has a problem |
| 22:06.48 | timeless_xchat | i'd use dtrace |
| 22:06.51 | GeneralAntilles | In my case, by the goddamn N900 whenever I need to copy over something critical. |
| 22:06.53 | timeless_xchat | to get a log |
| 22:06.56 | jacekowski | i would use windows |
| 22:07.06 | GeneralAntilles | jacekowski: go jump out a window. |
| 22:07.09 | GeneralAntilles | reboots. |
| 22:07.14 | timeless_xchat | heh |
| 22:07.16 | nox- | timeless_xchat, dtrace on linux? |
| 22:07.40 | timeless_xchat | does finder.app run on linux? |
| 22:07.50 | jacekowski | linux has SystemTap |
| 22:07.58 | timeless_xchat | kicks jacekowski |
| 22:08.37 | nox- | :) |
| 22:09.27 | timeless_xchat | oh, it's 0degC outside |
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| 22:11.30 | sivang | timeless_xchat: snowing? |
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| 22:20.02 | timeless_xchat | nah |
| 22:20.06 | timeless_xchat | ax |
| 22:20.18 | sp3000 | hammertime |
| 22:20.30 | timeless_xchat | actually, it seems to have gone up +2deg so far |
| 22:21.07 | timeless_xchat | sp3000 : did you watch the chilean miner run the nyc marathon? |
| 22:21.18 | mc_teo | timeless_xchat: well stable as in not crashing epically |
| 22:21.23 | sp3000 | I did not |
| 22:21.38 | mc_teo | i just need a qwebkit and a qlistbox |
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| 22:24.35 | timeless_xchat | "just qwebkit" |
| 22:24.43 | timeless_xchat | just needs a pony |
| 22:28.39 | timeless_xchat | a listbox should work... |
| 22:28.41 | timeless_xchat | but expecting a web browser not to crash... |
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| 22:28.50 | timeless_xchat | ... is asking for more than a pony |
| 22:29.04 | timeless_xchat | @central railway station |
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| 22:31.42 | alterego | Crazy, so when you charge the N900 it goes to max clock speed? |
| 22:32.30 | jacekowski | no |
| 22:32.35 | jacekowski | only when you connect usb |
| 22:32.38 | jacekowski | for couple seconds |
| 22:32.46 | nox- | on 1.3 also with charger |
| 22:33.00 | alterego | Yes, I'm talking about 1.3 |
| 22:33.05 | nox- | (as DocScrutinizer found using powertop) |
| 22:33.31 | alterego | mine is currently reporting max freq on usb connected to laptop and fully charged (green led lit) |
| 22:33.48 | alterego | Unless: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq |
| 22:33.49 | alterego | isn't live? |
| 22:33.54 | nox- | it is |
| 22:34.04 | nox- | put a sleep 5 before cat.ing it |
| 22:34.32 | alterego | Same |
| 22:34.41 | alterego | Still reporting 500mhz |
| 22:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | it does. We discussed this in epic length here some days ago. Bug in PR1.3 |
| 22:34.55 | alterego | DocScrutinizer: okay, just checking. |
| 22:34.58 | DocScrutinizer | kernel, I might add |
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| 22:35.07 | alterego | So, does this effect power kernel users? |
| 22:35.15 | nox- | nope |
| 22:35.18 | alterego | (I'm using hostmode2 kernel) |
| 22:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | no, as power kernel not yet has PR1.3 |
| 22:35.30 | nox- | kernel-power is still ok |
| 22:35.33 | alterego | Oh, okay. |
| 22:35.44 | alterego | wonders what's messing with the scaling thing .. |
| 22:36.49 | alterego | Okay, I think I get it :) |
| 22:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | up til & incl PR1.2 this was a intentional behaviour to service USB when hooked up to a host (wild guessing), in PR1.3 it sneaked over to charging state as well |
| 22:37.50 | nox- | powertop seems broken with kernel-power tho |
| 22:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | it is |
| 22:38.18 | nox- | ok thx for confirming :) |
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| 22:48.16 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=668661&postcount=936 (500MHz lock) |
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| 22:59.47 | khertan_ | Hi, someone have try http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-textedit-texteditautoresizer-h.html ? |
| 23:00.02 | khertan_ | does the ensureVisible part is working for you ? |
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| 23:01.44 | alterego | Cripes, my head is spinning, didn't realise how big this project had become. |
| 23:02.23 | alterego | contemplates seperating some stuff into plugins or libs |
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| 23:04.17 | opdf2 | somtimes my n900 makes a short beep noise when I reboot it, using reboot from power menu |
| 23:04.25 | opdf2 | what is that? |
| 23:04.38 | alterego | It's normal, don't worry about it. |
| 23:04.49 | alterego | I think it's supposed to happen everytime, but doesn't. |
| 23:05.13 | opdf2 | I notice when it does do it, proximity sensor does not work from shortcutd |
| 23:05.22 | opdf2 | when it doesn't, proximity sensor works |
| 23:05.51 | alterego | I don't use shortcutd |
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| 23:06.35 | opdf2 | also, there are times when the Nokia handshake animation doesn't play during reboot |
| 23:06.40 | opdf2 | is that normal |
| 23:07.02 | alterego | Well, I rarely use reboot. |
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| 23:07.23 | alterego | I think the startup animation has always worked for me, but again, I wouldn't worry about it too much. |
| 23:07.47 | opdf2 | alright, just wondering cause I'm using a fresh 1.3 + emmc reflash |
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| 23:13.07 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: either way, that does not explain why not deeper than C1 states. |
| 23:13.22 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: And I put my finger that 500Mhz vs 250Mhz does not make a dime in power usage, C1 vs C4 will. |
| 23:13.38 | ShadowJK | well, C4 is 0MHz :) |
| 23:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:13.57 | ShadowJK | clocks off, voltage off |
| 23:14.30 | javispedro | probably musb craps itself with clocks off :) |
| 23:14.45 | DocScrutinizer | possibly |
| 23:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | doesn't explain why we need it for charging :-P |
| 23:15.14 | mgedmin | C4 is an explosive |
| 23:15.16 | javispedro | charging from dumb charger |
| 23:15.35 | alterego | Probably a mistake in their "something is connected to my usb port" bit. |
| 23:15.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 23:15.48 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I here think I prefer Matan's approach. The PR1.3 change is loosely explained, and I am yet to experience whatever it tried to fix. |
| 23:15.53 | alterego | Or maybe they sneakily put it in to push hen forward ;) |
| 23:15.57 | DocScrutinizer | see pr1.3 changelog |
| 23:16.28 | alterego | Anyhow, bed time for me. |
| 23:16.33 | Nirtal | Hello! Does anyone knows how to use your computer as a bluetooth headset? |
| 23:16.35 | javispedro | cya alterego |
| 23:16.36 | alterego | See you all later folks. |
| 23:16.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: sorry, didn't get it |
| 23:17.03 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: Matan suggested somewhere in tmo that future power kernel versions will have that exact PR1.3 change reverted |
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| 23:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: seems reasonable enough |
| 23:17.27 | nox- | javispedro, thats great news |
| 23:17.43 | nox- | (and where is the 1.3 changelog?) |
| 23:18.04 | javispedro | grab kernel package for original, or search irc logs |
| 23:18.21 | javispedro | either way, as I said, not much reasoning there. |
| 23:18.27 | nox- | hm ok |
| 23:19.09 | javispedro | so, if someone is capable of charging their N900 from a dumb charger now and pre-PR1.3 couldn't, I'd like to know. |
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| 23:19.18 | nox- | ah you mean this https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 |
| 23:19.21 | nox- | right? |
| 23:19.26 | javispedro | yep |
| 23:19.40 | nox- | ok |
| 23:19.59 | nox- | ~bug 161191 |
| 23:20.00 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/161191 was not found. |
| 23:20.08 | javispedro | nox-: NB is the internal nokia bugzilla |
| 23:20.13 | nox- | oh ok |
| 23:20.22 | javispedro | nox-: your only hope for any disclosement of such information is file a bmo and cross fingers |
| 23:20.32 | nox- | :( |
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| 23:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: ack for 161191 |
| 23:24.19 | nox- | thx |
| 23:24.35 | nox- | do you know more details? |
| 23:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | hell, how I hate that ambiguity in bug descriptions! Is "Rover does not differentiate charging downstream port from dedicated charger" what they implemented now (which would sound like a correct statement), or is it a descriptions of a bug (that's what the wording sounds like) which the tried to fix but actually messed it up completely? |
| 23:27.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: probably, that's the bug title. |
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| 23:29.57 | DocScrutinizer | now if I were smart enough to spot the diff for that nb#161191 :-S |
| 23:30.31 | javispedro | chances are, it's just the musb changes |
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| 23:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | you know what *usually* happens to devels dumping patchsets of >4 unrelated diffs to the public? |
| 23:34.05 | javispedro | oh |
| 23:34.22 | javispedro | discussed already the changes to the swap algorithm in pr1.3' |
| 23:34.23 | javispedro | ? |
| 23:34.37 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not afaik |
| 23:34.52 | DocScrutinizer | I guess that's ShadowJK's domain |
| 23:35.20 | nox- | btw fennec really seems to be swap-happy... |
| 23:35.34 | wmarone | fennec eats ram like candy |
| 23:35.40 | cehteh | still no official compcache for the n900 .. :/ |
| 23:35.59 | nox- | wmarone, :) |
| 23:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | mmmmyummy, candy |
| 23:36.46 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: gaps_rbtree_insert, gaps_rbtree_add new symbols nowhere to be seen in upstream, seems to be part of a new scheme to allocate pages |
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| 23:38.48 | javispedro | possibly NB#166185 - swapping algorithm improvements & re-calibration |
| 23:38.57 | javispedro | somebody should test the uptime with pr1.3 kernel |
| 23:39.44 | DocScrutinizer | somebody who actually suffers from that swap fragmentation |
| 23:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | I got uptimes of >30 days with pr1.2 and no real problems |
| 23:40.29 | DocScrutinizer | but then I usually have no swp-happy apps running |
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| 23:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | which would also explain why Nokia didn't realize there's a problem. Probably their testers' usage patterns were more like mine, and both are quite different to John User's |
| 23:42.52 | javispedro | they tend to shutdown stuff from time to time. |
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| 23:42.59 | DocScrutinizer | that too |
| 23:43.14 | ShadowJK | Mine can be "open 30 browser windows, get distracted, open gpodder and watch some videos, pause video, switch to one of those browser windows, read it, close it, go back to video" |
| 23:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | hi ShadowJK :-) |
| 23:43.38 | javispedro | talking about the devil =) |
| 23:43.44 | javispedro | ;) |
| 23:44.38 | ShadowJK | So I'm guessing they find/keeptrack largest gap of free pages in the swap area |
| 23:44.40 | ShadowJK | and fill that |
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| 23:47.40 | chrissbx | I wanted to rename stations in fmtuner. |
| 23:48.04 | chrissbx | Seems it just doesn't allow to do that from the gui; so I figured, let's check whether I can modify the file where it stores those. |
| 23:48.20 | javispedro | no file |
| 23:48.22 | javispedro | gconf. |
| 23:48.22 | chrissbx | Thing is, I just can't find any file that could contain them; grepping doesn't help. |
| 23:48.30 | chrissbx | hm |
| 23:48.37 | javispedro | chrissbx: you should grep ~/.gconf* |
| 23:48.48 | chrissbx | There's no .gconf |
| 23:48.53 | mgedmin | gconftool -R /|grep foo |
| 23:49.02 | mgedmin | only problem, you don't see which key you're in |
| 23:49.12 | mgedmin | gconftool -R / | less +/foo |
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| 23:51.10 | javispedro | /var/lib/gconf :P |
| 23:51.13 | chrissbx | Thanks mgedmin, that works |
| 23:51.18 | chrissbx | aha |
| 23:51.46 | javispedro | but if you edit the file you might need to kill gconfd- |
| 23:51.47 | javispedro | 2 |
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| 23:52.11 | chrissbx | yeah, I'll update using gconftool then. |
| 23:52.48 | chrissbx | (I wonder why they choose such a location?) |
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| 23:54.11 | javispedro | editing that with gconftool is a pita because there are two independent list iirc |
| 23:54.48 | johnx | chrissbx, cause that's the system provided defaults? (in /var/lib/gconf) |
| 23:55.10 | chrissbx | johnx: no, it stored my changes there. |
| 23:55.14 | chrissbx | So it's not just defaults. |
| 23:55.18 | johnx | huh |
| 23:55.25 | javispedro | johnx: read /etc/gconf/2/path lately ? ;) |
| 23:56.08 | johnx | javispedro, I made an ASSumption that they'd do the same thing as debuntu |
| 23:56.13 | johnx | my mistake :) |
| 23:56.21 | javispedro | and mine |
| 23:57.04 | chrissbx | Must either have been someone who thought having just one location to backup for "system" data would be nice (let the user care about files he knows about only); or maybe an intern that just enabled writing that location for users. |
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| 23:59.15 | johnx | my thoughts: concerns about read/write speeds of the emmc that /home is on, and/or concerns about writing to it too many times |
| 23:59.26 | johnx | and/or the famous "historical reasons" |
| 23:59.31 | javispedro | I think it's the latter. |
| 23:59.39 | chrissbx | historical reasons about what the intern did. |
| 23:59.49 | johnx | sounds about right |
