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| 01:01.18 | Shapeshifter | now, there's lots of really bad stuff about the n900, but, although there's always the possibility of subjective perception, I've got the impression that the audio quality coming out the headphone jack is pretty brilliant |
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| 01:01.43 | Airforlife | does anybody here know how i can combine 2 awk scripts ? |
| 01:01.44 | Shapeshifter | at least, better than my crappy ipod |
| 01:02.14 | Shapeshifter | Airforlife: 'combine'? just do it? |
| 01:06.25 | Airforlife | Shapeshifter: check out private |
| 01:10.08 | Shapeshifter | nope |
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| 01:15.13 | Airforlife | nope ? |
| 01:15.13 | SpeedEvil | Airforlife: how do you combine two cheeses. |
| 01:15.26 | SpeedEvil | Airforlife: it's not a question that has a sensible answer. |
| 01:16.10 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, i have a tray of cheese nibbles downstairs |
| 01:20.25 | Airforlife | SpeedEvil: wow, gosh, you're so cool |
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| 01:27.56 | javispedro | W. T. F. |
| 01:28.10 | javispedro | ovi mail soon to be yahoo mail? |
| 01:28.46 | ieatlint | uh.. source? |
| 01:28.53 | javispedro | http://blog.ovi.com/2010/11/06/mail-and-chat-soon-to-be-powered-by-yahoo/ |
| 01:31.06 | ieatlint | heh... that's... yeah .... |
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| 01:32.43 | ieatlint | in other news, i just found one of those stickers you find on bananas inside a sock i recently laundered |
| 01:32.43 | javispedro | smells something about "wanting to approach the USA market"... |
| 01:35.54 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ( intr,soft nfs mount options) didn't I mention some options to make NFS "behave" |
| 01:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | yahoo mail, omg. Even worse than gmail |
| 01:42.48 | ieatlint | poor yahoo... they don't seem to realise they're dead |
| 01:43.13 | ieatlint | anyone notice yahoo's website has gone down twice over the past 2 weeks... once for about 4 hours, and once for about an hour? |
| 01:47.12 | SpeedEvil | Anyone notice ovi repos have gone down for ... |
| 01:47.41 | SpeedEvil | I have a yahoo mail account - I pick up mail there once in a blue moon. |
| 01:49.16 | ieatlint | was more of a joke that no, no one did notice |
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| 02:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | ~no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or SUCCESS |
| 02:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or SUCCESS |
| 02:35.45 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 02:38.32 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, hot sauce! |
| 02:40.10 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, hostmode is https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/h-e-n-devel/2010/000035.html, or https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commit;h=d7f76e505b16f7e9305c59c51d02fb1473ab5b2c - or simply *SUCCESS* |
| 02:40.10 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 02:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell javispedro about hostmode |
| 02:45.31 | javispedro | nice |
| 02:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ^^^ thanks for the device :-) |
| 02:48.22 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what was this new image flashing thing identified? |
| 02:48.34 | lcuk | recalls something but cannot pinpoint details |
| 02:50.55 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: that's about as good as it gets. We seem to find no way to switch LS/FS while FORCE_HOST, and we need to set FORCe_HOST prior to applying VBUS otherwise we run into device-mode deadend. And we can't detect LS vs FS/HS periph without VBUS. Also CONNECT-IRQ is expected to miss while FORCE_HOST (according SPRUF98D), so we need "echo F" to start session/enum |
| 02:51.52 | javispedro | the patch seems simple enough |
| 02:52.00 | javispedro | though I guess I'm missing the entire repo history here |
| 02:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | It's low ++/-- count, it's complicated to get the *right* ones :-P |
| 02:53.11 | pupnik_ | before we die, let's try to teach |
| 02:53.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: sorry? |
| 02:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: PLEASE REPHRASE |
| 02:54.05 | DocScrutinizer | opps capslock |
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| 02:57.22 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ??? |
| 02:58.16 | pupnik | why do you people care about maemo |
| 02:58.23 | pupnik | i always wonder about that |
| 02:59.20 | pupnik | maybe you're just scared to think about *why* |
| 02:59.34 | DocScrutinizer | there's quite a number of other things I wonder more about |
| 03:00.02 | pupnik | assholes having control over your computer system? |
| 03:00.29 | pupnik | please share |
| 03:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | ok, you asked for it |
| 03:01.31 | javispedro | ah, the happy hour! |
| 03:02.10 | DocScrutinizer | e.g.: "is there a sure ndicator when pupnik goes philosophical again?" or "why is such a number of people hyping meego, while it's evidently not much more than a POC ATM?" |
| 03:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | for the meego part I feel it resembles a herd that always runs after the lead and gets nervous when there's no movement |
| 03:06.04 | DocScrutinizer | no matter how green the grass were the whole bunch is now - following the leader to somewhere else is just a better feeling than simply staying and pasture |
| 03:07.21 | pupnik | hmm |
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| 03:08.03 | pupnik | how does that make an argument for other people controlling my computer? |
| 03:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | who gives a shit about your computer? |
| 03:08.47 | pupnik | the people who want to steal my shit |
| 03:08.57 | lcuk | toilet gnomes? |
| 03:09.07 | pupnik | fucktards lcuk |
| 03:09.15 | pupnik | you're on the borderline of being one |
| 03:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | silicon gremlins |
| 03:09.42 | lcuk | pupnik, bah |
| 03:10.09 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, a flashing mode that occurs when you first plug in usb |
| 03:10.15 | lcuk | that does something different to normal |
| 03:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | o.O never heard of it |
| 03:10.41 | lcuk | it was you that posted it |
| 03:10.54 | lcuk | you silenced some maemo person from talking whilst it was explained |
| 03:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, don't get it |
| 03:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | duh, you mean coldflashing xloader/NOLO |
| 03:11.27 | lcuk | i don't know, do i? |
| 03:11.36 | lcuk | post link and I will tell you :P |
| 03:12.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~coldflash |
| 03:12.00 | infobot | i heard coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts |
| 03:12.36 | lcuk | yes, ta |
| 03:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 03:14.16 | pupnik | time is so short |
| 03:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what you mean is ROM bootloader checking USB on powering up device, prior to NOLO and then normal ass rage driver in maemo |
| 03:16.27 | lcuk | bah, swearing detracts fro mthe message of that DocScrutinizer. |
| 03:16.41 | DocScrutinizer | each of them is listening if somebody calls its name, and jumps in if so. Otherwise hands over to next stage (unless NOLO and 'U', or ass rage which obviously has nobody to hand over) |
| 03:16.55 | lcuk | am I right in thinking that with the command line given it will allow complete replacement of the noko and everything? |
| 03:17.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 03:17.40 | lcuk | though, normally we don't ever touch the nolo and don't need to? |
| 03:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 03:17.56 | lcuk | the maemo images flashed don't replace it each time? right |
| 03:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 03:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | they might |
| 03:18.14 | lcuk | would the nolo portion be where a real final solid multiboot would sit? |
| 03:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | should, if ever Nokia cared to open up |
| 03:18.56 | lcuk | hm - you mean the spec of how its used currently? |
| 03:19.11 | lcuk | or is there blocking code missing? |
| 03:19.25 | javispedro | nolo is completely undocumented |
| 03:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, maybe even source. But allegedly NOLO contains IP for dealing with gfx/dunnowhat |
| 03:20.12 | javispedro | lcuk: sts seems to be happy with the current u-boot solution |
| 03:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | undocumented closed blob IP shit PITA blah |
| 03:20.22 | lcuk | ok, so absolute best possible realistically, if anything would be a little documentation? |
| 03:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | sure, and it would need a friggin lot of documentation, as NOLO also does flashing as of what we normaly think it is |
| 03:21.47 | lcuk | right |
| 03:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | and flashing NAND is absolutely nontrivial |
| 03:22.05 | lcuk | so its task is quite indepth and not a simple bootloader stage |
| 03:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | flashing cellmo even worse |
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| 03:22.18 | lcuk | rog |
| 03:23.05 | lcuk | hey raster \o |
| 03:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | so uBoot chainloading as of meego is best we'll ever see, realistically |
| 03:23.18 | raster | yo! |
| 03:23.20 | raster | lcuk: boop |
| 03:23.22 | javispedro | not to mention I personally doubt it has support for loading a kernel image from a mmc card. |
| 03:23.22 | raster | DocScrutinizer: dook! |
| 03:23.24 | raster | :) |
| 03:23.50 | pupnik | getting FOSS on people's devices isn't just fun, it's a holy calling |
| 03:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | *maybe* just maybe we could move uBoot to NOLO partition, this enabling to flash arbitrary kernels without losing multiboot |
| 03:24.16 | DocScrutinizer | raster: howdy :-) |
| 03:24.42 | lcuk | thats ok DocScrutinizer - its interesting to know anyway |
| 03:25.03 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, this nolo stage - its not linux oriented in the slightest is it - its OS agnostic |
| 03:25.16 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 03:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | you could probably even boot win7moob with it |
| 03:25.39 | javispedro | well.. |
| 03:25.44 | javispedro | save for maybe cmdline passing protocol? |
| 03:25.46 | lcuk | do other phones have similar mechanisms? |
| 03:25.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 03:25.55 | lcuk | i dont see this kind of code being rewritten for each model |
| 03:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | and yes |
| 03:26.34 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO was almost same for N8x0 |
| 03:26.56 | javispedro | and I've seen mentions of nolo previously, even on dumb nokia phones |
| 03:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | other phones probably have similar boot mechanisms, just maybe not 3 stages but maybe only 1 or 2 |
| 03:27.08 | javispedro | (dunno if its same nolo :) ) |
| 03:27.19 | lcuk | probably become generic |
| 03:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | I said *almost* |
| 03:27.54 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure |
| 03:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, time for breakfast |
| 03:28.33 | DocScrutinizer | means o/ |
| 03:28.36 | javispedro | cya |
| 03:28.44 | lcuk | gnite javis |
| 03:28.49 | lcuk | eek |
| 03:28.52 | lcuk | gnite doc even |
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| 06:20.17 | andrewfblack | People should be forced to leave a comment on extras when thumb downing a peice of software. It does no good to thumb down something if you don't tell them whats wrong |
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| 06:42.35 | Termana | good morning |
| 06:49.17 | andrewfblack | Termana: morning |
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| 06:53.12 | RobbieThe1st | Can anyone tell me -why- maemo has a 8-character limit on passwords? |
| 06:57.15 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: I tested your backup-menu, it was excellent and worked fine :) except few small problems in UI |
| 06:57.36 | RobbieThe1st | Ah, good. Can you please make a post on the forum topic detailing the problems? |
| 06:59.59 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: for example: when choosing "b" (Create a backup) and "t" (both rootfs and optfs) and "s" (SD card) there is a menu contains (m, j and x) and we must press again "s" to do that |
| 07:01.08 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: the last menu (m, j and x) is irreverent and unnecessary |
| 07:02.11 | RobbieThe1st | Um... I may remove it at some point, but it -does- serve a purpose: As specified at the top, the first one is for the Rootfs, the second is for the Optfs. This lets you put, say, your rootfs on your SD card, and your Optfs(which is much larger) on your eMMC |
| 07:02.23 | ilius | *irrelevant |
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| 07:02.55 | RobbieThe1st | While I will admit that it's not entirely needed - most of the time people would want it to go to the same place - It is not a mistake or useless. |
| 07:03.57 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: can not backup optfs on sd card? |
| 07:04.50 | RobbieThe1st | No, you can, but the rootfs's ~300mb, while your optfs can be <2GB |
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| 07:06.43 | ilius1 | RobbieThe1st: but the SD card option does not exist in Destination of OptFS menu |
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| 07:06.59 | RobbieThe1st | Really? |
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| 07:07.22 | RobbieThe1st | But you saw it in the rootfs menu, correct? |
| 07:08.07 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: no, after that step |
| 07:08.18 | RobbieThe1st | Either way, I found the problem. Thanks. |
| 07:08.41 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: :) |
| 07:13.14 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: is it possible to use ncurses ui? (like debian installer) |
| 07:13.38 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: to use only arrow keys and Space and Enter |
| 07:14.14 | RobbieThe1st | Not really. The problem with the n900 is that there is no Framebuffer by default, so I can't just put text on the screen or use anything directly like that |
| 07:14.42 | RobbieThe1st | The only way to do something like that would be to install a custom Framebuffer kernel. But, this isn't something I expect everyone to do |
| 07:15.34 | RobbieThe1st | Now, arrow keys + enter -are- possible however; I just have to make a bunch of code to "manually" create the menu and update it. But, this is a signifigant amount of extra work, for (not much) gain currently) |
| 07:15.54 | RobbieThe1st | At some point I may... But not right now |
| 07:18.53 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: hmm right |
| 07:21.06 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: i think q is better for exit / quit |
| 07:21.22 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: more common and standard in applications |
| 07:21.53 | RobbieThe1st | Eh, why not. |
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| 07:33.05 | RobbieThe1st | Testing v0.54 right now.. |
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| 07:55.20 | ebzzry | Is there an app that can edit ID3 tags? |
| 07:55.51 | RobbieThe1st | on n900 or windows, linux? |
| 07:56.19 | RobbieThe1st | for Windows, I happen to like http://www.mp3tag.de/en/ |
| 07:56.22 | ilius | ebzzry: like mp3info on linux? |
| 07:56.46 | ebzzry | On the N900 itself. |
| 07:57.31 | ebzzry | I'm looking for ways to "fix" the issue posted at the Preenv game compatibility page for Plasma Cannon. |
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| 07:58.05 | ebzzry | ilius: I don't know. I haven't tried editing id3 tags, ever. |
| 07:58.44 | RobbieThe1st | I'd just connect it up to your PC, open your mp3 file in your favorite media player and edit it there |
| 07:58.56 | ilius | ebzzry: for mp3 files? |
| 08:00.28 | ebzzry | ilius: Yes. |
| 08:01.00 | ebzzry | RobbieThe1st: I'm sorry, I don't have access to a PC now. |
| 08:01.11 | ilius | ebzzry: package mussorgsky from extras-devel |
| 08:01.19 | ilius | ebzzry: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mussorgsky/ |
| 08:01.37 | ilius | ebzzry: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42151 |
| 08:01.42 | ebzzry | ilius: OK. I'll re-enable -devel and fetch it now. |
| 08:02.37 | ebzzry | ilius: Copy |
| 08:04.33 | ilius | ebzzry: what? |
| 08:04.39 | RobbieThe1st | IT'S FIXED! Finally. For the last week or two, I've been struggling with BackupMenu. I could backup or restore, but only do one thing on the rootfs without a reboot - It wouldn't unmount, and therefor wouldn't mount. I found the solution: cd'ing away from my rootfs directory before unmounting. |
| 08:05.43 | RobbieThe1st | In retrospect, it seems logical enough... But it took me ages to figure it out. |
| 08:06.14 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: oh yes, device mounted on (a parent of) current directory could not be umnounted |
| 08:06.38 | ilius | *unmounted |
| 08:08.08 | RobbieThe1st | Thing that confused me was that -until a week ago - I had no feedback for the mount/unmounts. So, it would never unmount, error out when trying to remount, but still work anyway. I go putting feedback in, and "oh wait, there's an error" |
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| 08:09.42 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: hmmm |
| 08:10.14 | RobbieThe1st | Either way, it's fixed now, and works great. I'm happy, and it's gonna be in extras-devel in an hour or so |
| 08:11.43 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: :) |
| 08:20.55 | RobbieThe1st | Hopefully, this version'll be good enough to promote to extras-testing in a few days |
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| 08:28.48 | crashanddie | RobbieThe1st: congrats |
| 08:29.59 | RobbieThe1st | Thank you |
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| 08:43.02 | djszapi | Which pdf viewer is advised on my Nokia device and maemo ? |
| 08:43.20 | RobbieThe1st | Um, you have a default one, don't you? |
| 08:43.42 | djszapi | which is ? |
| 08:44.05 | RobbieThe1st | Um... "pdf viewer" or something genaric like that |
| 08:44.28 | ilius | djszapi: PDF reader |
| 08:44.36 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
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| 08:45.00 | ilius | djszapi: also tapping on a pdf file opens it |
| 08:45.12 | ilius | djszapi: in file manager |
| 08:45.16 | RobbieThe1st | Or downloading one |
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| 08:47.02 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: a personal question: what operating system do you use on desktop? |
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| 08:49.31 | ebzzry | djszapi: well an alternative is evince from -devel |
| 08:49.35 | RobbieThe1st | Debian Squeeze+Sid(unstable) |
| 08:49.54 | RobbieThe1st | Why? |
| 08:49.59 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: :) |
| 08:50.04 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: nothing |
| 08:50.18 | ilius | use ubuntu 10.04 |
| 08:50.42 | RobbieThe1st | I'd go for Ubuntu/Kubuntu normally - but I decided to try Debian. A bit more pain, but it's interesting to try new things once in a while |
| 08:51.04 | ebzzry | ilius: Is mussgorsky really limited in what fields it can edit? |
| 08:52.17 | djszapi | evince sucks :> |
| 08:52.24 | ilius | ebzzry: no idea. i never used it |
| 08:52.53 | ilius | djszapi: evince is good I like it :) |
| 08:53.02 | ilius | djszapi: simple but good |
| 08:53.04 | djszapi | your business :> |
| 08:53.27 | ilius | djszapi: maybe you want a think like okular |
| 08:53.28 | RobbieThe1st | Okular does what I need |
| 08:54.03 | djszapi | ilius: okular is really perfect, but I am not sure it is available. |
| 08:54.10 | ebzzry | djszapi: What made you say that? |
| 08:54.12 | djszapi | as long as it depends on the whole kdelibs stuff. |
| 08:54.32 | ilius | beware from Gnome vs KDE wars :P |
| 08:55.07 | djszapi | nothing related to a war, it is just personal preference, that is all. |
| 08:55.22 | RobbieThe1st | :P |
| 08:55.39 | RobbieThe1st | KDE + Compiz = Win, IMHO. |
| 08:55.52 | djszapi | it is high time to leave for me right now ;) |
| 08:55.57 | djszapi | bye |
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| 08:57.55 | RobbieThe1st | Playing TF2 via Wine and being able to, at a moment's notice switch to Firefox/irc/whatever and back is so frigging awesome |
| 08:58.04 | RobbieThe1st | </fanboy> |
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| 08:59.13 | ham5 | yay maemo! |
| 09:01.48 | ham5 | irc addon for accounts... how would I go about sending a raw command to the server, ie change user modes, or idenitfy to a nickname? |
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| 09:01.59 | mc_teo | hey |
| 09:02.21 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 09:02.33 | mc_teo | ? |
| 09:02.40 | mc_teo | anyway |
| 09:02.41 | ham5 | dosent work in a channel or im box |
| 09:03.04 | ham5 | will just send the / charter too |
| 09:03.25 | mc_teo | my pyqt apps all broke lately |
| 09:03.40 | ham5 | what changed lately? |
| 09:04.06 | mc_teo | turns out pyqt isnt installed since i updated to pr1.3 |
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| 09:04.35 | mc_teo | and the package in the app manager says its for 1.2 |
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| 09:05.09 | dRbiG | RobbieThe1st: wine on maemo? works? |
| 09:05.52 | mc_teo | so what will i do? |
| 09:06.09 | mc_teo | install the pr1.2 bindings? |
| 09:06.27 | mc_teo | but i dont know will they work with qt4.7 |
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| 09:06.39 | mc_teo | actually i doubt they will |
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| 09:10.02 | RobbieThe1st | dRbiG: Yes and no. Yes, it does. No, you can't run desktop apps, really. I was talking about my desktop PC |
| 09:10.45 | dRbiG | RobbieThe1st: i guess the emulation of x86 on n900 is just too much for it |
| 09:10.48 | dRbiG | mhm |
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| 09:20.01 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, you'd have to essentially run an x86-emulator, then wine on top of that. -very- slow |
| 09:20.17 | RobbieThe1st | Heck, even Java runs about 3x slower than on a desktop PC of the same clock speed |
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| 09:27.21 | ham5 | presence vnc or vncviewer? |
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| 09:45.03 | DocScrutinizer | Wine Is Not an Emulator - so how could it ever even try to emulate x86 on arm? |
| 09:45.58 | DocScrutinizer | you might want to tweak wine to run winmoob7 apps on N900 :-P |
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| 09:51.13 | DocScrutinizer | for emulators refer to http://www.tuug.fi/~toni/serendipity/index.php?/archives/9-Windows-NT-4.0-running-on-N900!.html |
| 09:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | there's also been "MacOS on N900" but I don't find the bookmark/link |
| 09:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | hell, I need a search machine for my bookmarks :-P |
| 09:59.44 | kerio | what macos? |
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| 10:12.57 | Nitial | 10.3 |
| 10:13.10 | Nitial | it's somewhere at the same blog as the nt 4.0 :P |
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| 11:40.53 | slonopotamus | anyone tried running this beast? https://dev.openwrt.org/browser/trunk/target/linux/omap24xx/patches-2.6.36/900-n810-battery-management.patch |
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| 11:52.16 | Noobmonk3y | nope :P |
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| 11:55.04 | ShadowJK | slonopotamus, charging looks kinda incomplete |
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| 11:57.31 | cehteh | bah ... no 1.3 ota for me, its flashing time |
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| 11:58.16 | elin | Hi! |
| 11:58.45 | elin | How I can get geolocation from comand-line? |
| 11:59.17 | alterego | You can't really, |
| 11:59.28 | alterego | Unless you write an app to do it. |
| 11:59.35 | alterego | Python maybe. |
| 12:00.56 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 12:02.40 | Sargun_Screen | alterego: geolocation by ipA? |
| 12:04.01 | alterego | eh? |
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| 12:04.06 | alterego | If you want .. |
| 12:04.15 | elin | Altergo: You suggests use this http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API ? |
| 12:04.20 | alterego | You'd still need to wrap it in an app. |
| 12:04.25 | alterego | elin: yes |
| 12:04.38 | elin | altergo, thanks! |
| 12:04.44 | elin | ups |
| 12:04.44 | alterego | np |
| 12:05.02 | elin | alterego, thanks! ;-) |
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| 12:18.04 | rokr1 | hello guys |
| 12:18.08 | rokr1 | i got a prob |
| 12:18.29 | rokr1 | ifconfig shows a new interface parallel to wlan0 |
| 12:18.31 | rokr1 | its |
| 12:18.35 | rokr1 | wmaster0 |
| 12:18.42 | rokr1 | how can i get rid of it ?? |
| 12:19.08 | ham5 | you want wmaster |
| 12:19.24 | ham5 | the phone has all kinds of interfaces |
| 12:20.48 | rokr1 | i DONT WANT wmaster0 |
| 12:20.56 | rokr1 | its annoying |
| 12:21.08 | rokr1 | it starts when wlan0 is up |
| 12:21.41 | SpeedEvil | Umm - why do you care? |
| 12:21.44 | rokr1 | N900 as i know so far does not support master mode! correct if i am wrong |
| 12:22.30 | ham5 | wtf is master mode |
| 12:22.39 | rokr1 | AP |
| 12:23.24 | SpeedEvil | Why do you care about the presence or absence of an interface? |
| 12:23.38 | SpeedEvil | In general you can't simply manage interfaces as icd will get in your way |
| 12:24.07 | asj_ | rokr1: use ifrename and call wmaster0 noname0 then you won't have wmaster0 anymore |
| 12:24.22 | rokr1 | nice joke asj |
| 12:24.36 | asj_ | rokr1: ask a silly question... |
| 12:25.01 | SpeedEvil | Why do you care rokr1. |
| 12:25.11 | SpeedEvil | If you provide a sensible answer, you might get help |
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| 12:26.17 | SpeedEvil | http://linuxwireless.org/en/developers/Documentation/mac80211 |
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| 12:26.55 | alterego | How often do you run ifconfig for this to annoy you? |
| 12:27.45 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: the addition of all those headers slows it down, all those extra bytes ;) |
| 12:27.53 | rokr1 | just before update from PR1.2 to PR1.3 |
| 12:28.11 | rokr1 | ok do u guys get that ? |
| 12:28.17 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 12:28.23 | SpeedEvil | You're making no sense at all. |
| 12:28.31 | rokr1 | okay |
| 12:28.46 | SpeedEvil | wmaster0 is an entirely normal and expected interface. |
| 12:29.21 | SpeedEvil | In principle, if you got a recent kernel working on the device, it would go away. |
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| 12:32.27 | rokr1 | may be because i installed the power user kernel i get that speedEvil ? |
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| 12:33.47 | SpeedEvil | Why do you care? |
| 12:34.14 | SpeedEvil | it's there on every n900 |
| 12:34.26 | SpeedEvil | (pretty much) |
| 12:35.02 | rokr1 | now i am concerned with the kernel now |
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| 12:36.19 | rokr1 | wats the latest kernel for N900 |
| 12:36.20 | rokr1 | ? |
| 12:36.37 | rokr1 | 2.6.x? |
| 12:37.23 | SpeedEvil | The most recent kernel would need the n900 specific fixes backported before it would boot. |
| 12:37.30 | SpeedEvil | It would however remove the wmaster device |
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| 12:38.22 | rokr1 | how can i compile the latest kernel to N900 or does N900 has a optimized and modified kernel |
| 12:38.38 | rokr1 | to match its hardware ? |
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| 12:39.01 | SpeedEvil | Get the n900 kernel from git. |
| 12:39.06 | SpeedEvil | Backport all the patches |
| 12:39.08 | SpeedEvil | compile |
| 12:39.20 | rokr1 | wats u r N900 running |
| 12:39.21 | rokr1 | ? |
| 12:39.29 | rokr1 | just curious :) |
| 12:39.59 | SpeedEvil | power kernel and stock 1.2 |
| 12:40.41 | rokr1 | so its 2.6.28 |
| 12:41.27 | rokr1 | i just compiled 2.6.36 for my PC |
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| 12:44.52 | asj_ | goes to bed |
| 12:44.59 | asj_ | SpeedEvil: you have the patience of a saint |
| 12:45.10 | Sargun_Screen | SpeedEvil: power kernel? |
| 12:45.17 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:48.16 | alterego | I very much doubt maemo wouedl work with the latest kernel .. |
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| 12:52.37 | Termana | alterego, define what exactly you mean by latest kernel |
| 12:53.01 | alterego | Backporting patches and building the latest source tree from kernel.org |
| 12:53.09 | alterego | Which is 2.6.36? |
| 12:53.10 | Termana | alterego, if you mean latest Maemo kernel then it will of course work fine. If you mean latest kernel as in, a MeeGo/Mainline kernel then no Maemo won't work |
| 12:53.26 | alterego | Yes, that is exactly what I'm talking about. |
| 12:53.37 | alterego | Why would I be talking about a kernel we're already running? |
| 12:54.51 | Termana | alterego, I don't know, why are you using the term backward port? Pulling patches from an older kernel to a newer one would be FORWARD porting |
| 12:56.14 | MohammadAG | which directory is best for logging? |
| 12:56.20 | MohammadAG | /tmp or /var/tmp? |
| 12:56.30 | Termana | alterego, anyway, i suppose if you forward port the OMAP/Maemo specific patches that mainline has rejected then you could probably boot Maemo |
| 12:57.00 | SpeedEvil | Termana: err - yes. |
| 12:57.15 | SpeedEvil | anyway - silly person is sily. |
| 12:57.17 | MohammadAG | hmm, tmp is 1MB, /var/tmp it is |
| 12:57.18 | Termana | But it will only be MeeGo that you'll be able to boot with a plain mainline pulled, no patches applied, kernel |
| 12:57.32 | Termana | SpeedEvil, err yes what? I made a statement, not a question :p |
| 12:58.14 | SpeedEvil | about backport |
| 12:58.33 | Termana | SpeedEvil, I will slap you if you say backport again |
| 12:58.46 | Termana | With a brick |
| 12:59.00 | Termana | :p |
| 12:59.15 | SpeedEvil | I meant that I was agreeing with you that the term backport was not well chosen. |
| 12:59.37 | SpeedEvil | As I wasn't really picking words with care, as the person in question was unlikely to be able to do it. |
| 12:59.47 | Termana | Oh ok. *puts brick away, sigh* |
| 13:00.12 | SpeedEvil | backport backport backport backport. |
| 13:00.32 | Termana | slaps SpeedEvil with some FORWARD thrown bricks |
| 13:00.42 | Termana | :p |
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| 13:02.01 | SpeedEvil | charges his laser. |
| 13:02.09 | SpeedEvil | (50mW module from dealextreme cheap!) |
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| 13:02.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm sticking it in a laser level to make it actually visible. |
| 13:03.03 | Termana | SpeedEvil, so it's not that one that sets stuff on fire? :p |
| 13:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | ships 2 of his MTHELS to SpeedEvil |
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| 13:03.52 | SpeedEvil | Termana: It can light matches I think if you focus it _just_ right |
| 13:03.56 | SpeedEvil | But generally not. |
| 13:04.06 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: believe me, those will set your ass on fire |
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| 13:04.50 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, my arse is as tight as a match stick so that sounds reasonable |
| 13:05.11 | Termana | :p |
| 13:06.18 | DocScrutinizer | ponders about fried birds. If they will be ready to eat when they drop? |
| 13:06.48 | DocScrutinizer | or probably just vanish into smoke and pooof |
| 13:08.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cCBwLJjzDJQ |
| 13:09.56 | ieatlint | apparently i just walked into a conversation about tight asses and deep fried poultry |
| 13:10.01 | ieatlint | why does this keep happening.. |
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| 13:12.49 | GAN900 | sighs at people who think they know things about art and technology. |
| 13:12.50 | Termana | ieatlint, welcome to #maemo - I see you're new here |
| 13:12.53 | Termana | :p |
| 13:13.19 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:13.26 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
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| 13:36.51 | dRbiG | why is that dpkg -l | ggrep ruby lists libruby1.8 and apt-get remove libruby1.8 says it's not installed? |
| 13:37.48 | alterego | What line is output from your grep? |
| 13:38.02 | dRbiG | okey, i think there may be a hint |
| 13:38.11 | dRbiG | rc libruby1.8 1.8.7.72-3maemo4 Libraries necessary to run Ruby 1.8 |
| 13:38.16 | dRbiG | rc - what does that mean? |
| 13:38.22 | dRbiG | other packages have ii |
| 13:38.23 | alterego | It means it's not installed |
| 13:38.47 | dRbiG | if it's not installed then why's it there? |
| 13:39.14 | alterego | Because it was installed at somepoint? |
| 13:39.42 | dRbiG | yes it was... so dpkg keeps a history of what i had installed? |
| 13:39.47 | dRbiG | is so...what for? |
| 13:39.55 | nidO | it does if config files are still in place |
| 13:40.03 | nidO | if you run a purge it should fully clear it |
| 13:40.07 | alterego | rc means it's removed but there are config files |
| 13:40.10 | alterego | :) |
| 13:40.26 | dRbiG | okey, reasonable behaviour, thx! |
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| 13:40.52 | alterego | Well, you say that, but I don't remember any config files for libruby :) |
| 13:41.58 | dRbiG | yes, it sounds a bit wrong in this case, but the overall behaviour of dpkg/debs is okey :) i guess that's why i always choosed debian when i was more or less forced to go with linux :) |
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| 14:15.30 | Juozapas | does anyone tried synergy in n900? |
| 14:20.09 | GAN900 | Juozapas, many people. It works, although it's uselessly unreliable. |
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| 14:20.51 | alterego | My attempt at doing a maemo.nokia.com like tile: http://alterego.metapath.org/projects/columbus/Screenshot-20100826-1220912-rotated.png |
| 14:20.52 | Termana | Yes, many people do things in the past tense at the present time |
| 14:20.55 | alterego | :D |
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| 14:27.54 | GAN900 | chuckles at tekojo's message on -community. |
| 14:28.10 | GAN900 | My cynicism has officially overwhelmed me as a person. |
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| 14:35.53 | ieatlint | i'm confident i'll never reach that point myself |
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| 14:39.02 | GAN900 | Ehehe |
| 14:44.44 | Noobmonk3y | ping crashanddie |
| 14:45.08 | crashanddie | Noobmonk3y: pong |
| 14:45.25 | crashanddie | Noobmonk3y: you need to put my nickname as the first word, otherwise my highlighter doesn't catch it |
| 14:45.31 | Noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhh |
| 14:45.32 | Noobmonk3y | sorry |
| 14:45.36 | Noobmonk3y | lucky you are awake then ;) |
| 14:45.51 | crashanddie | yeah, I just looked at the IRC window for... no apparent reason |
| 14:45.52 | Noobmonk3y | can i pick your brains on the listiter thing you helped me with please :) |
| 14:45.54 | crashanddie | telepathy bru |
| 14:46.00 | crashanddie | sure |
| 14:46.02 | Noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/5pDFYm9c |
| 14:46.09 | Noobmonk3y | running the same iter through uname -a |
| 14:46.19 | Noobmonk3y | to get the kernel version and kernel date |
| 14:46.43 | Noobmonk3y | how would i just pick, for example line 3? |
| 14:46.52 | Noobmonk3y | while (listIter3.hasNext()) { (iter while loop) |
| 14:48.15 | crashanddie | Noobmonk3y: doesn't uname -r give the kernel version? |
| 14:48.20 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!! |
| 14:48.24 | Noobmonk3y | just realised that in terminal! |
| 14:48.28 | Noobmonk3y | ignore my dummyness! |
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| 15:00.09 | blubbi | hi all, can anyone tell me where I can finc pyuic4 for maemo? |
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| 15:03.47 | Noobmonk3y | doesnt it come with the pyqt packages? |
| 15:06.11 | blubbi | apparently not |
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| 15:06.55 | blubbi | python2.5-qt4 is installed I even installed python2.5-qt4-dev but no pyuic |
| 15:07.26 | blubbi | I found a package called pyqt4-dev-tools for debian but this is not available for maemo |
| 15:07.41 | MohammadAG | use it on debian then |
| 15:07.53 | MohammadAG | I doubt you have Qt Designer on your N900 :P |
| 15:08.28 | korhojoa | hey, you never know |
| 15:08.55 | korhojoa | hmm, has anyone put the emmc as ext3? |
| 15:10.36 | psycho_oreos | there's people who have repartitioned their emmc to create the newly created partition as ext3 and then there's images with ext3fs |
| 15:11.23 | psycho_oreos | I don't think there's someone who would convert the entire emmc as ext3, lots of apps would probably fail to work (for instance, camera) |
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| 15:34.55 | dRbiG | grr, anyone here using ruby on maemo? |
| 15:35.29 | dRbiG | nokogiri seems unable to find libxml/parser.h while it is where it should be and i'm going mad with this :S |
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| 15:38.08 | norayr | hey |
| 15:38.22 | dRbiG | lol, think i found where the problem really is ;) |
| 15:38.30 | norayr | Let's assume I've added hardware keyboard layout with xkb |
| 15:38.40 | norayr | and i can activate it with commandline |
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| 15:39.39 | norayr | i assume there should be some xml file where i can add the layout name so it can be shown in the config |
| 15:39.51 | norayr | hm? |
| 15:47.52 | elin | Hi! |
| 15:48.22 | elin | How I can manage a ICd2 conecions form command-line? |
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| 15:49.53 | psycho_oreos | maybe via dbus |
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| 15:52.13 | elin | psycho_oreos, where i cant find documentation to manage connections with dbus and python? |
| 15:54.01 | elin | or dbus-send |
| 15:54.03 | elin | ?? |
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| 15:54.46 | psycho_oreos | elin, dunno about python part but there are some scattered documentations available for dbus such as power-users page for maemo tweaking/hacking.. MohammadAG has got some nice scripts which uses dbus and may have icd controls, and there's stuff like USB hostmode |
| 15:55.22 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 15:55.39 | psycho_oreos | USB hostmode briefly discusses on editing icd stuff.. the connection part would be stuff I'm not sure off |
| 15:55.42 | MohammadAG | see http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control or phone-control in -devel |
| 15:55.44 | psycho_oreos | s/off/of/ |
| 15:55.56 | MohammadAG | I don't recall that |
| 15:56.09 | MohammadAG | confusing icd with i2c? |
| 15:56.16 | psycho_oreos | on the bottom part, where one creates dummy network |
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| 15:56.32 | MohammadAG | nope, hostmode doesn't do that |
| 15:56.47 | psycho_oreos | slaps self in the head, I meant USB networking |
| 15:58.32 | MohammadAG | wonders why his haptic feedback isn't working |
| 16:00.07 | psycho_oreos | btw MohammadAG, whilst you're here.. http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/ <-- that's your new site right? for all n900 related stuff, just had some users having issues with apt-get and ovi store |
| 16:00.08 | elin | thanks |
| 16:00.27 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, yeah |
| 16:00.39 | MohammadAG | install the modded apt |
| 16:01.28 | psycho_oreos | I bookmarked an old forum thread for modded apt that links to your old site.. gave that to them and they said something similar to getting 404 lol |
| 16:01.46 | MohammadAG | ah, ucoz |
| 16:01.49 | MohammadAG | I think that's dead |
| 16:01.54 | psycho_oreos | yup |
| 16:02.01 | psycho_oreos | well its 404 |
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| 16:10.31 | alterego | Christ I'm crap at making icons |
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| 16:11.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, I've never seen good designers and developers |
| 16:11.25 | MohammadAG | maybe someone else can help? :) |
| 16:11.57 | alterego | Well, when it comes to UI design, I like to think I'm pretty good. |
| 16:12.04 | RST38h | helpwith what? |
| 16:12.07 | alterego | It's just creating graphics .. |
| 16:12.23 | alterego | It's annoying because I can draw quite well on paper ^.^ |
| 16:12.25 | RST38h | alterego:everybody thinks they are good |
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| 16:12.36 | MohammadAG | alterego, pretty much what designing is about :P |
| 16:12.52 | MohammadAG | RST38h, actually, everyone thinks different of an ideal UI |
| 16:12.53 | RST38h | alterego: the only person HERE that can prove he is good is wazd though :) |
| 16:13.08 | alterego | Well, other people think I'm good too :P |
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| 16:13.22 | MohammadAG | alterego, bribed? :P |
| 16:13.32 | GAN900 | alterego, the voices in your head? |
| 16:13.56 | MohammadAG | we're pessimistic :P |
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| 16:14.39 | alterego | You're just jealous :P |
| 16:14.54 | RST38h | yeah and not worthy too =) |
| 16:15.01 | ArkAnGiCIA | Who are jealous ? |
| 16:15.01 | MohammadAG | nah, I can make epic icons |
| 16:15.04 | MohammadAG | goes on google images |
| 16:15.19 | ArkAnGiCIA | And ? |
| 16:15.29 | lcuk | alterego, just include some default chunky icons |
| 16:15.42 | ArkAnGiCIA | I like this nickname alterego |
| 16:15.47 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:15.57 | alterego | tbh, I don't like my nick anymore. |
| 16:16.10 | alterego | I thought I liked it, 15 years ago. |
| 16:16.15 | alterego | I thought it was ironic and clever. |
| 16:16.35 | alterego | But now I don't really like it, unfortunately, it's an alias that has stuck ^.^ |
| 16:16.52 | MohammadAG | twinsdell then? |
| 16:17.02 | MohammadAG | wonders if he got that right |
| 16:17.15 | alterego | swindell |
| 16:17.23 | MohammadAG | damn |
| 16:17.30 | alterego | I dunno, I think it'd confuse too many people :P |
| 16:17.32 | MohammadAG | loses 2 internets |
| 16:17.56 | MohammadAG | alterego, they'll get used to it |
| 16:18.04 | lcuk | alterego is now known as the_ircer_formerly_known_as_alterego |
| 16:18.12 | MohammadAG | you have a different nick on tmo |
| 16:18.20 | alterego | :) |
| 16:18.31 | alterego | I do have a different nick on tmo, and meego.com |
| 16:18.33 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I wonder if that would exceed the limit of a nick :P |
| 16:18.36 | alterego | And maemo.org (they're the same. |
| 16:18.38 | alterego | ) |
| 16:19.02 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 16:19.56 | MohammadAG | slaps Noobmonk3y |
| 16:20.19 | Noobmonk3y | meh's |
| 16:21.12 | lcuk | MohammadAG, DO NOT SPANK THE Noobmonk3y |
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| 16:22.01 | MohammadAG | I slapped him, I don't usually spank people |
| 16:22.35 | lcuk | hes not a person |
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| 16:24.08 | RST38h | alterego: Intel x86 Architecture Reference is full of worthy nick candidates! =) |
| 16:24.16 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:24.17 | RST38h | and hello, javispedro |
| 16:24.20 | javispedro | morning |
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| 16:24.30 | alterego | Yes, well, I was bought up on ARM :P |
| 16:24.41 | alterego | Intel architecture is only recent for me :P |
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| 16:25.32 | lcuk | was brought up on zilog and motorola |
| 16:25.41 | GAN900 | alterego, hey, at least yours isn't a movie reference. :P |
| 16:25.51 | alterego | :) |
| 16:25.56 | RST38h | yea,like "superman" or "batman666"! |
| 16:26.03 | alterego | Heh |
| 16:26.33 | GAN900 | Most of the Europeans seem to think my nick is related to geography. |
| 16:26.53 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 16:27.32 | RST38h | While you are a StarWars character? |
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| 16:28.01 | Noobmonk3y | GAN900: i thought your name was related to NOMINAL Gaseous Nitrogen, but thats just me |
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| 16:28.18 | GAN900 | RST38h, aye. |
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| 16:31.07 | RST38h | suspects Europeans have got other things to worry about than learn movie characters by their names =) |
| 16:31.43 | javispedro | GAN900: well, it reads like HAL9000 too much for me =) |
| 16:31.58 | GAN900 | javispedro, expanded nick. |
| 16:32.08 | RST38h | On the other hand, how the hell do they know about Antilles islands? |
| 16:32.13 | javispedro | I know, I know :) |
| 16:32.26 | GAN900 | RST38h, possibly, but, c'mon, Wedge Antilles! |
| 16:33.05 | RST38h | GAN: Actually, had to google to figure out just WHO exactly he was (I knew that hewas in StarWars somewhere) |
| 16:33.30 | RST38h | It is that poor shmuck smothered by imperial fighters during attack on the Death Star? |
| 16:34.25 | alterego | Bloody catorize increases my deployment time annoyingly :/ |
| 16:35.04 | GAN900 | RST38h, guy who blows up Death Star II. |
| 16:35.08 | RST38h | Naah, wiki says he has survived attacks on both Death Stars! |
| 16:35.14 | RST38h | and blew the second one, indeed |
| 16:36.12 | GAN900 | Probably thinking of the fat dude |
| 16:36.19 | GAN900 | Whatever the hell his name was |
| 16:36.21 | GAN900 | or Biggs. |
| 16:36.41 | GAN900 | vaguely remembers this stuff from 10 years ago. |
| 16:36.58 | lcuk | GAN900, you werent in star wars? you were in star trek!? http://liqbase.net/star_wreck_keisari_ga.jpg |
| 16:37.01 | RST38h | even read afew books set up in SW universe, by Timothy Zahn I think |
| 16:37.22 | GAN900 | Uh, Heir to the Empire? |
| 16:37.35 | GAN900 | There are actually a few decent Star Wars novels. |
| 16:37.53 | RST38h | No longer remember. It was at the time when I was borrowing a dozen books at a time from the local community library |
| 16:38.14 | GAN900 | Thrawn Trilogy |
| 16:38.28 | GAN900 | That's the one Zahn is know for, anyway. |
| 16:38.29 | RST38h | Zahn has not registered very high on the radar, compared to Herbert, Harrison, or Zelazny |
| 16:38.38 | RST38h | Yes, the Thrawn Trilogy indeed |
| 16:39.09 | RST38h | Thrawn being a blue skinned motherfucker known of philosophizing,Machiavelli-style |
| 16:39.45 | javispedro | lcuk: lol |
| 16:41.25 | GAN900 | lcuk, that'd be funny if the original intent of the creator hadn't been mean spirited. |
| 16:42.23 | lcuk | o_O :P |
| 16:42.25 | lcuk | find the post |
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| 16:46.02 | GAN900 | That whole thread was nothing but unpleasantness. |
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| 16:46.36 | lcuk | hmm |
| 16:46.59 | lcuk | "Council uniforms - design competition" |
| 16:47.05 | lcuk | no wonder you were squirming |
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| 16:47.19 | GAN900 | lcuk, origin was before that |
| 16:47.37 | GAN900 | Relating to the Talk merge and penguinbait's tantrum. |
| 16:48.09 | lcuk | GAN900, nahh it wasnt |
| 16:48.23 | lcuk | i posted that photoshop immediately after krisse posted the original |
| 16:48.46 | GAN900 | wonders if he should be offended that somebody felt the need to spell Jesus for him. |
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| 16:49.33 | RST38h | Heh |
| 16:49.38 | javispedro | hey, be careful. The Pope is around here atm. |
| 16:49.53 | javispedro | I don't want to be dark-force-lightning fried. |
| 16:50.12 | RST38h | ...and the current Pope has such a resemblance to Emperor Palpatine... |
| 16:50.15 | *** part/#maemo mtnman (~user@c-24-8-98-235.hsd1.co.comcast.net) |
| 16:50.35 | RST38h | http://media.ebaumsworld.com/picture/ryanposhusta/PopePalpatine.png |
| 16:52.37 | GAN900 | lcuk, your memory of that period differs significantly from mine. |
| 16:52.40 | javispedro | that's what I mean http://www.maniacworld.com/Pope-Benedict-XVI-Unleashes-Force-Lightning.jpg |
| 16:52.57 | lcuk | GAN900, the bloody thread is there with it all in |
| 16:52.58 | RST38h | that poor caridnal stands no chance |
| 16:53.02 | GAN900 | New MeeGo iPad clone. |
| 16:53.15 | RST38h | heh, indathing? |
| 16:53.25 | GAN900 | lcuk, threads don't exist in a vacuum. |
| 16:53.26 | GAN900 | http://www.engadget.com/2010/11/06/indamixx-2-atom-powered-meego-tablet-touts-rockstar-looks-999/ |
| 16:53.30 | RST38h | sorry, indamixx :) |
| 16:53.39 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=286257#post286257 |
| 16:53.41 | lcuk | GAN900, ^ |
| 16:53.58 | lcuk | no, thats why we keep our storage computers inside the gravity well |
| 16:54.02 | GAN900 | I don't get why they keep putting Atoms in these things |
| 16:54.12 | GAN900 | If standby is 8 hours, I don't care. |
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| 16:54.33 | javispedro | specially, why an Atom to run something other than Window. |
| 16:55.02 | javispedro | tbh I do not understand Intel's currently "whoever wins I lose" approach. |
| 16:56.13 | GAN900 | Oh well, keep on pipe dreaming for hardware I want to use. |
| 16:56.19 | alterego | Hrm, I'm so bored I might attempt to recreate the MeeGo orientation animation in my application .. |
| 16:56.30 | RST38h | GAN: They keep putting atoms in these things because Meego is primarily made for Atoms |
| 16:56.37 | RST38h | GAN: ARM version is more of a byproduct |
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| 16:57.18 | javispedro | so, who wants to bet that the N9+1 will be an Atom device? |
| 16:57.41 | alterego | javispedro: I'll bet against it :P |
| 16:58.15 | GAN900 | RST38h, ah, right. |
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| 16:59.08 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:59.55 | javispedro | hello |
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| 17:00.05 | Noobmonk3y | heya |
| 17:00.20 | MohammadAG | heya khertan |
| 17:01.05 | tank-man | maybe that tablet has an Atom in it cause it is running windows, some of the comments in that link say something to that effect |
| 17:01.22 | javispedro | heh |
| 17:01.27 | javispedro | the videos show it running windows |
| 17:01.30 | javispedro | so all is clear now. |
| 17:01.34 | khertan | someone have already try to use QPlainPlainText area and QAbstractKineticScrolling ? The scrolling is amazing fast ... but really too much to be usable ... |
| 17:01.49 | ieatlint | wait, seriously? the second meego device to be released is another tablet? |
| 17:01.50 | RST38h | Well, it is useless to |
| 17:01.55 | khertan | (while with QTextEdit i didn't have this problem) |
| 17:02.01 | javispedro | in fact, no video, no screenshot shows it running meego. |
| 17:02.03 | RST38h | normal users" if it is not running Windows and it is not an Apple |
| 17:02.10 | javispedro | so whoever wrote the advert may not even know what Meego is. |
| 17:02.30 | ieatlint | does anyone else think it's weird there will be two meego tablets out when meego doesn't officially support tablets? |
| 17:02.57 | RST38h | Who said Meego does not support tablets? |
| 17:03.14 | ieatlint | the lack of a tablet ux |
| 17:03.26 | RST38h | ieatlint: netbook ux is sufficient |
| 17:03.33 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I think the HW acceleration /etc/powervr.d/ thingy causes some instability |
| 17:03.44 | javispedro | MohammadAG: what "HW acceleration" thingie? |
| 17:03.48 | ieatlint | and several nokia reps at a recent meetup here when directly asked by a software contracting firm |
| 17:03.54 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ah, UseHWSync? |
| 17:04.07 | ieatlint | RST38h: as i recall, netbook ux doesn't have libmeegotouch support |
| 17:04.09 | tybollt | wat wat |
| 17:04.11 | javispedro | MohammadAG: that's hardly "HW acceleration", it just enables asynchronous pvr2d |
| 17:04.24 | tybollt | how do I go about getting meego on my dev |
| 17:04.30 | tybollt | I write the big file to sd |
| 17:04.35 | tybollt | and the kernel? |
| 17:04.57 | RST38h | ieatlint:and? |
| 17:05.15 | ieatlint | and i'm going to assume that'd be a requirement for a tablet |
| 17:05.22 | MohammadAG | javispedro, whatever, device crashed 3 times |
| 17:05.23 | RST38h | still does not see much win from enabling UseHWSyncstuff |
| 17:05.26 | tybollt | fagblet |
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| 17:05.27 | RST38h | ieatlint: no |
| 17:05.39 | tybollt | much fail |
| 17:05.48 | RST38h | Mohammad: Has not crashed here, in spite of heavy use, but does not seem snappier either |
| 17:06.25 | RST38h | Mohammad,javispedro: Do check Fennec 4b3pre1 by the way, it has got much, MUCH better |
| 17:06.39 | ieatlint | ah, so the netbook ux provides an on-screen keyboard, multitouch, and touch friendly widgets... :P |
| 17:06.50 | RST38h | ieatlint: more or less |
| 17:07.12 | RST38h | ieatlint: With the large screen, it is quite usable, same as Win7 though :) |
| 17:07.27 | ieatlint | have you tried using win7 with a touchscreen? |
| 17:07.45 | ieatlint | i'll admit the keyboard isn't bad... but that's about as good as it gets |
| 17:08.11 | javispedro | still wants a joggler |
| 17:09.11 | javispedro | they're now uber expensive on ebay |
| 17:09.25 | RST38h | ieatlint: Yes, and XP too |
| 17:09.48 | RST38h | ieatlint: Toshiba produces (produced?) series of touch-screen laptops (Portege M-series) |
| 17:10.03 | RST38h | ieatlint; Worked beautifully, but too heavy for constant use of course |
| 17:10.13 | ieatlint | i'm on a touchscreen laptop |
| 17:10.36 | ieatlint | in linux at the moment, but have win7 on it too... it sucks to try and use it for much of anythings |
| 17:11.10 | javispedro | It's not going to such more than a touchpad, and look at all those people using it. |
| 17:11.14 | ieatlint | and saying the netbook ux will work as well for a tablet as win7 is not encouraging me :P |
| 17:11.15 | javispedro | s/such/suck |
| 17:11.30 | RST38h | ieatlint: depends on what you want |
| 17:11.51 | lcuk | ieatlint, using touchscreen with windows is painful |
| 17:11.52 | RST38h | ieatlint: from a certian point of view, Win7 does not work very well even with a mouse/touchpad ;) |
| 17:12.01 | ieatlint | javispedro: you say that, but then look at a maximized window... now imagine putting your finger on any of the three buttons in the upper right |
| 17:12.15 | javispedro | plays openttd on the n900 at the native resolution |
| 17:12.26 | lcuk | ieatlint, gorilla arm :) |
| 17:12.41 | ieatlint | need to get a damned capacitive stylus or something :P |
| 17:12.41 | RST38h | made allthe dialogs fit and those megaannoying news flash windows disappear? |
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| 17:13.09 | javispedro | RST38h: no :), still using the sub-millimeter window close buttons :) |
| 17:13.20 | lcuk | ieatlint, hp slates have a dualmode screen |
| 17:13.24 | lcuk | multitouch and a stylus too |
| 17:13.28 | javispedro | lcuk: score extra for hp slate! |
| 17:13.40 | javispedro | goes lookup hp slate price |
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| 17:14.17 | ieatlint | i was not impressed by my last hp laptop... |
| 17:14.41 | ieatlint | i'm on a thinkpad now with multitouch, and am very pleased |
| 17:15.02 | javispedro | ieatlint: was it consumer/pavilion? |
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| 17:15.29 | ieatlint | hmmm... would have to look it up, was a tablet |
| 17:15.36 | javispedro | ah |
| 17:15.43 | javispedro | the pavilion brand sucks |
| 17:15.51 | ieatlint | yeah, hp pavilion tablet |
| 17:15.56 | javispedro | they're still shipping broken nvidia chipsets aiui. |
| 17:15.56 | ieatlint | i agree, heh |
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| 17:17.52 | javispedro | $800!!! |
| 17:17.53 | javispedro | wtf. |
| 17:18.07 | psycho_oreos | hp has stupid minipci/minipcie wireless card whitelisting |
| 17:18.43 | RST38h | whispers "Toshiba R-series" |
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| 17:21.10 | ieatlint | had my current laptop for 3 months and i'm very pleased with it.. 1080p, multitouch, and i average 3-4h on battery with wifi on |
| 17:21.20 | ieatlint | thinkpad w510 |
| 17:21.41 | alterego | I've got a higher resolution :P |
| 17:21.51 | psycho_oreos | thinkpads also have those stupid minipci/minipcie wireless card whitelisting |
| 17:22.09 | javispedro | buys acer =) |
| 17:22.22 | ieatlint | alterego: on a laptop? |
| 17:22.32 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: so i'm told... |
| 17:22.33 | alterego | Yeah |
| 17:22.56 | ieatlint | but my wifi card on this works without issue in linux, so i'm indifferent to it |
| 17:22.58 | alterego | ieatlint: 1920x1200 |
| 17:23.16 | ieatlint | oooh, you have me beat :P |
| 17:23.28 | ieatlint | here i am, the sucker with my 1920x1080.. :P |
| 17:23.34 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, it'll be an issue if you have a wifi card that has to use binary blobs and you're having qualms with it |
| 17:23.42 | alterego | Heh, |
| 17:23.49 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: i am using a binary blob |
| 17:23.53 | MohammadAG | your laptop rapes my flat screen... |
| 17:24.12 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, lemme guess, broadcom? lol |
| 17:24.15 | alterego | Well, your screen is proper 16:9 ieatlint |
| 17:24.26 | MohammadAG | damn broadcom is shit |
| 17:24.46 | MohammadAG | BCM43224 here |
| 17:24.50 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: nah, intel |
| 17:25.10 | MohammadAG | might replace it with an atheros, but priorities first, need replacement headphones |
| 17:25.10 | ieatlint | alterego: yeah... not sure why they went for straight 1080p... funny though |
| 17:25.14 | alterego | Is there a way to force hildon-desktop to display my application launcher icon? |
| 17:25.20 | alterego | (and not restart the device) |
| 17:25.30 | ZogG | \o |
| 17:25.31 | psycho_oreos | they're really slow, they've only just recently opened up their source codes to linux community but only for their non ssb based wifi chipsets, broadcom has yet to support many other of their own |
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| 17:25.42 | alterego | ieatlint: probably because it's an actual standard. |
| 17:25.47 | alterego | Not sure what ratio mine is ^.^ |
| 17:25.49 | javispedro | alterego: bug #6931 |
| 17:25.51 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one |
| 17:25.55 | ieatlint | alterego: 16:10 |
| 17:26.00 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, you don't need to use binary blob.. apart from the ucode the rest should be pretty much open source and integrated into kernel |
| 17:26.03 | ieatlint | which is standard for widescreen computer monitors |
| 17:26.14 | MohammadAG | alterego, yeah, edit the .desktop file |
| 17:26.21 | MohammadAG | actually, just save it |
| 17:26.24 | MohammadAG | touching doesn't work |
| 17:26.32 | alterego | Erm, |
| 17:26.35 | alterego | I put it in there |
| 17:26.38 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: dunno, it has a binary "firmware" blob, and the iwlagn kernel module won't load if it can't find it |
| 17:26.42 | MohammadAG | I know, just save it again |
| 17:26.43 | alterego | I'm just getting a blue square |
| 17:26.46 | alterego | Okay |
| 17:26.51 | MohammadAG | that'll kick off menu regeneration |
| 17:27.12 | MohammadAG | alterego, you have to copy the icon before the .desktop file |
| 17:27.25 | alterego | Ah, right |
| 17:27.54 | alterego | Which I'm guessing doesn't happen when relying on debian packaging. |
| 17:28.08 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, yeah the ucode is pretty much the firmware, as with almost every other wireless chipset manufacturers, it remains binary/proprietary/regulated |
| 17:28.36 | ieatlint | yes, indeed, ucode |
| 17:28.37 | MohammadAG | alterego, depends how you made the deb I suppose |
| 17:28.45 | alterego | qt creator |
| 17:28.47 | MohammadAG | all my debs copy icon first, then .desktop file |
| 17:28.53 | ieatlint | and yeah, i've heard some pretty horrific things about broadcom |
| 17:28.54 | alterego | interesting |
| 17:28.57 | ieatlint | and ndis |
| 17:29.00 | alterego | Anyway, it didn't fix the problem :P |
| 17:29.01 | MohammadAG | idk about that, I make my debs manually with scratchbox :) |
| 17:29.12 | MohammadAG | did the menu regenerate? |
| 17:29.31 | alterego | Yes |
| 17:29.36 | MohammadAG | weird |
| 17:29.40 | MohammadAG | kill the desktop! :P |
| 17:29.43 | alterego | Oh well. |
| 17:29.55 | psycho_oreos | ndis is the other alternative if the manufacturer never bothers to port their wireless drivers to linux.. there's lots of manufacturers that cease to exist, leaving owners with no choice but to use ndiswrapper |
| 17:29.56 | javispedro | alterego: read the bug report |
| 17:29.59 | MohammadAG | which reminds me |
| 17:30.06 | javispedro | alterego: you just need to touch some folders in icons dir |
| 17:31.07 | alterego | javispedro: what's the bug? |
| 17:31.18 | javispedro | bug #6931 |
| 17:31.19 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one |
| 17:31.37 | javispedro | touch /usr/share/icons/hicolor |
| 17:32.06 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: yeah, i know a guy who's written a sizable percentage of the network drivers for freebsd, and the author of project evil (freebsd's ndiswrapper) and have listened to him bitterly complain of things :P |
| 17:32.50 | MohammadAG | never figured out how to get ndiswrapper working |
| 17:32.54 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 17:33.03 | MohammadAG | I need the windows broadcom drivers on linux |
| 17:33.15 | psycho_oreos | I've gotten ndiswrapper to work but its not easy and it can crash, etc |
| 17:33.22 | MohammadAG | 18MBps vs 104 makes a difference |
| 17:33.34 | javispedro | would want pktdrvwrapper =) |
| 17:33.35 | GAN900 | Why do so many tech companies hate their customers so much. . . . |
| 17:33.41 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, fyi, there's brcm80211, you'll need bleeding edge kernel or compat-wireless for that |
| 17:33.56 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, what's that? |
| 17:34.24 | MohammadAG | oh, FOSS |
| 17:34.30 | MohammadAG | doesn't mind bleeding edge |
| 17:35.06 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, mac80211 based open broadcom wireless.. its by broadcom but its still WIP |
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| 17:35.17 | psycho_oreos | other than that there's wl |
| 17:35.19 | javispedro | GAN900: one would imagine that with current trend of shrinking devices' lifetime, companies would start to actually try to _keep_ their customers so that they buy their next device from them |
| 17:35.29 | javispedro | why that's not happening, dunno. |
| 17:35.40 | GAN900 | Baby Boomers |
| 17:35.51 | MohammadAG | psycho_oreos, I have wl, that's shit |
| 17:35.54 | GAN900 | If they don't retire or die, we need to start murdering soon. |
| 17:36.07 | MohammadAG | I get 18-56MBps max with it |
| 17:36.14 | MohammadAG | 104-250 on windows |
| 17:36.23 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, indeed :) there's not much other alternative.. apart from ndiswrapper or brcm80211 |
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| 17:41.42 | norayr | is there any "official" way to turn off "phone" application, but still use wifi or 3g internet connectivity? |
| 17:41.51 | norayr | or it just must be killed in the terminal? |
| 17:42.35 | ieatlint | uh, you can forward all calls to your voicemail, which will prevent the phone from ever getting a call |
| 17:43.57 | SpeedEvil | norayr: What do you mean? |
| 17:44.09 | SpeedEvil | Oh - yeah - that |
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| 17:50.16 | norayr | but I still can kill it from the terminal, and it won't restart right? |
| 17:50.38 | norayr | thanks for the voicemail option, I didn't know about it :) |
| 17:51.17 | javispedro | btw, on -devel someone just made a RDS decoder for the N900 fm chipset |
| 17:53.26 | ieatlint | that's awesome |
| 17:55.17 | khertan | So noone have try to use a QAbstractKineticScroller with QPlainTextEdit on Maemo ? |
| 17:58.12 | norayr | ok, I'll try to ask again: let's assume I've prepared a new xkb layout for the hardware keyboard. There should be some config file where I can add it in order to include in the list of the supported language layouts, right? |
| 17:58.43 | norayr | so user can activate it with fingers instead of typing setxkbmap in the terminal |
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| 18:23.22 | MohammadAG | WH-701 does not work on the N900, non standard 3.5mm jack being used by Nokia? |
| 18:23.30 | MohammadAG | they're turning into apple :( |
| 18:23.42 | MohammadAG | FYI, stock N8 headset |
| 18:25.32 | alterego | The headset that came with the N900 was a non standard 3.5mm jack :P |
| 18:26.06 | javispedro | what's this "standards" you're talking about? |
| 18:26.50 | javispedro | even the composite out suck |
| 18:26.50 | javispedro | s |
| 18:27.05 | javispedro | audio-wise it's still pretty much a headphones out |
| 18:27.13 | javispedro | while TVs usually need something "more beefy" |
| 18:27.27 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it's completely ignored by the N900 |
| 18:27.32 | MohammadAG | no headset icon |
| 18:27.56 | MohammadAG | weird thing is, [ 8945.121154] headphone (GPIO 177) is now connected |
| 18:28.30 | MohammadAG | gets some 3.5 female-female adapter, sighs along the way |
| 18:28.42 | javispedro | probably misrecognizing it as tvout |
| 18:29.01 | MohammadAG | any way to override it? |
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| 18:31.20 | psycho_oreos | it might be an issue with the design of TRRRS on that headset |
| 18:32.04 | unixSnob | lately I have some kind of resource hog dragging down my NIT. I run "top" and see 4 instances of maemo-launcher |
| 18:32.35 | unixSnob | each instance of maemo-launcher is eating 20-30% of the memory |
| 18:32.39 | unixSnob | is that normal? |
| 18:32.55 | psycho_oreos | which NIT? |
| 18:32.59 | unixSnob | n800 |
| 18:33.23 | unixSnob | also, the percentage of memory consumed is way over 100% |
| 18:33.53 | unixSnob | (when I add up the processes in top) |
| 18:33.58 | psycho_oreos | ahh that explains why :) I don't have maemo-launcher being the major CPU hogger (n900) |
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| 18:34.41 | unixSnob | well, it's not a cpu hogger |
| 18:34.47 | unixSnob | it's a memory pig |
| 18:34.56 | unixSnob | cpu is showing 0.0% |
| 18:35.11 | javispedro | unixSnob: every builtin application appears as "maemo-launcher" in process list |
| 18:35.43 | unixSnob | javispedro: okay, that's what I was wondering. How do i ID the real pigs then? |
| 18:35.55 | unixSnob | (note that this is right after a cold boot) |
| 18:36.18 | javispedro | arg0 iirc |
| 18:36.34 | unixSnob | btw, I also have two instances of "browserd", and I haven't even started a browser yet |
| 18:36.50 | unixSnob | both browserd instances are taking ~40% memory |
| 18:37.06 | javispedro | messybox's top memory indicators are broken |
| 18:37.27 | unixSnob | javispedro: what do you mean arg0? how do I see what arg 0 is? |
| 18:37.59 | javispedro | I do not remember the exact ps syntax, check man |
| 18:38.10 | unixSnob | I do a ps, and see hildon-desktop |
| 18:38.33 | unixSnob | (that is, hildon-desktop matches the process number shown in top to be maemo-launcher) |
| 18:38.43 | javispedro | there you have. |
| 18:39.04 | unixSnob | javispedro: shouldn't I only have one desktop? |
| 18:39.18 | javispedro | two is fine. |
| 18:41.37 | unixSnob | i have to reboot daily, because my device crashes with "operation timed out.. out of memory" popups |
| 18:42.14 | unixSnob | I'm not sure how to approach this. I was hoping /var/log would show me what I have installed recently |
| 18:42.32 | unixSnob | dpkg -l shows me what's isntalled in total.. but not on a timeline |
| 18:45.29 | unixSnob | wow.. alarmd eats CPU like crazy when I simply launch a browser. That can't be normal |
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| 18:47.01 | alterego | Ooo, blade runner is on tonight :D |
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| 18:48.02 | unixSnob | i just read that someone's n800 became sluggish after installing gpe calandar.. that's probably my problem. I installed that recently, and alarmd is working too much |
| 18:48.44 | unixSnob | at least, I think I installed GPE calandar |
| 18:49.11 | unixSnob | is that an extra tool, or something that's essential? |
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| 18:51.11 | unixSnob | removes gpe calandar, just for shits and giggles |
| 18:51.47 | unixSnob | I have no idea where the phrase "just for shits and giggles" comes from.. I just use it based on the context that I've heard it |
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| 18:55.34 | gpgp1 | Is there anyone here who could help me get going in the right direction ? |
| 18:56.43 | joga | pushes gpgp1 towards the bar |
| 18:56.53 | gpgp1 | i have a n810, flashed yesterday says its version 5.2008.43-7 |
| 18:56.59 | gpgp1 | lol that will help lots |
| 18:57.05 | joga | :) |
| 18:57.33 | gpgp1 | repos are messed up cant install from app manager, dependencies not resolved by apt-get |
| 18:57.55 | joga | hmm, apt-get update? |
| 18:58.02 | gpgp1 | havent used the device in a while, maps are missing says it cant find card but card is mounted |
| 18:58.21 | gpgp1 | i run that i get errors and it says to run that to resolve the errors |
| 18:58.58 | joga | it's online anyway etc? |
| 18:59.10 | gpgp1 | yes can connect to network and repos |
| 18:59.36 | gpgp1 | was able to add some repos, but some are broken / updated with new names |
| 18:59.46 | joga | k, well I haven't used the n810 myself so hard to guess right now.. |
| 19:00.35 | gpgp1 | the hardware seems fine, i am lost about flashing then not being able to use app manager |
| 19:01.46 | unixSnob | anyone in here nerdy enough to use PGP email? Does claws mail work? |
| 19:02.23 | unixSnob | i mean, does claws mail work for PGP mail? It's claimed to, but I thought essential algorithms were excluded from libcrypt |
| 19:02.43 | unixSnob | so I'm not sure how claws mail could work as claimed |
| 19:04.08 | javispedro | fscking gentoo. |
| 19:04.19 | gpgp1 | is there a correct order to updating apps / adding repos after a flash ? or a current list of working repos ? |
| 19:06.45 | tKMFDM | unixSnob, doesnt claws mail use gpg? |
| 19:06.47 | tKMFDM | and its libraries |
| 19:07.30 | unixSnob | tKMFDM: yeah, supposedly, but the libraries are missing some basic hashes (because the n800 had to be very lean) |
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| 19:08.19 | unixSnob | A very typical VPN configuration relies on a hash that the n800 is not capable of |
| 19:08.35 | unixSnob | (because of the reduced libcrypt or whatever) |
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| 19:20.41 | lucent | N900 won't "see" flac files, what's wrong? |
| 19:20.55 | lucent | I've tried 'tracker-process --hard-reset' |
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| 19:21.46 | ZogG | lucent maybe you need extra codecs package? |
| 19:21.52 | Gorroth | hi |
| 19:21.55 | ZogG | ~flac |
| 19:21.55 | infobot | methinks flac is the Free Lossless Audio Codec, gives 30-50% compression on PCM audio. See http://flac.sourceforge.net/ for details on the format, or apt-get install flac xmms-flac to try it out (if you have xmms, of course). |
| 19:21.57 | lucent | ZogG: I show them as being installed |
| 19:22.04 | Gorroth | just uploaded my squid source packages to maemo for building |
| 19:22.13 | Gorroth | maybe in a few minutes squid will be available. it failed the first time |
| 19:22.22 | ZogG | squid? |
| 19:22.27 | Gorroth | squid http proxy |
| 19:22.32 | ZogG | oh |
| 19:22.39 | lucent | this is a new behavior since I updated maemo to 20.2010.36-2.002 |
| 19:22.43 | Gorroth | i've set it up to build with SSL bump and transparent proxy support |
| 19:22.57 | lucent | since the update, flac files are not picked up by tracker-process, I guess? |
| 19:22.59 | Gorroth | i'm working on making ettercap as well but have to modify the source code a bit |
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| 19:25.43 | tKMFDM | lucent, you have to manually add the files to media player in the file manager |
| 19:25.53 | tKMFDM | i had the same issue with mpc files i have found no work around to get the tracker to see them |
| 19:26.03 | lucent | http://code.google.com/p/extra-decoders-support-for-n900/issues/detail?id=11 |
| 19:26.14 | tKMFDM | but mpc files also weren't displayed in the media browser on pr1.2 for me |
| 19:26.18 | lucent | looks like similar to my issue |
| 19:26.44 | lucent | tKMFDM: must be mime type or something |
| 19:26.55 | lucent | wish I knew the exact steps to figure out why |
| 19:27.09 | tKMFDM | i found it pretty annoying as well as a lot of my collection is in mpc |
| 19:27.19 | tKMFDM | it also doesn't read the ape tags on mpcs |
| 19:27.31 | tKMFDM | so i have to do everything through file manager |
| 19:27.40 | ZogG | lucent there was discussion on TMO |
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| 19:31.11 | timeless_xchat | does mappero have a "don't be stupid option" ? |
| 19:31.52 | timeless_xchat | it seems to think that just because i've browsed away from my GPS location is a good reason to jump me back to it |
| 19:32.47 | timeless_xchat | beats the stuffing out of mappero |
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| 19:36.01 | Gorroth | the maemo autobuilder is a bit annoying. it seems like it buffers all the build output instead of putting it directly in the logfiles visible on garage.maemo.org |
| 19:36.05 | Gorroth | just so i can track its progress |
| 19:36.49 | Gorroth | unf |
| 19:36.58 | Gorroth | now the log file is up.. looks like build was good, but no email yet |
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| 19:37.13 | lcuk | Gorroth, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-November/thread.html |
| 19:37.37 | lcuk | and from there you can access the specifics for each build |
| 19:37.45 | lcuk | and enter the folder with full details as they are created |
| 19:37.56 | lcuk | maemo autobuilder is not directly tied to garage |
| 19:38.18 | Gorroth | hmm, okay |
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| 19:38.46 | Gorroth | well, i think the build is complete and it's just waiting to upload or do whatever else the builder does |
| 19:40.31 | MohammadAG | does the blackberry messenger offer an API? |
| 19:40.40 | MohammadAG | someone says he's "writing an app", which I doubt |
| 19:43.22 | Gorroth | awesooooome! now you guys can install squid on your i386 or armel maemo devices, such as the n900. it has transparent proxying support and ssl bump included |
| 19:43.27 | Gorroth | >:) |
| 19:43.35 | Gorroth | in extras-devel |
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| 19:45.48 | kpel | hi guys. I noticed that the re is no PR1.3 image for UK yet. Has it been discontinued? |
| 19:46.26 | wmarone | no |
| 19:46.37 | wmarone | did you get yours via vodaphone? |
| 19:47.57 | MohammadAG | the UK image is TBA |
| 19:47.57 | MohammadAG | with no ETA |
| 19:48.07 | MohammadAG | flash the global one |
| 19:48.18 | haltdef | what exactly is the difference? seems identical to me |
| 19:48.24 | kpel | wmarone: no. Nokia gave me one. I received a text some days ago saying there is an update but when i went to http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php i couldn't find the latest UK image. |
| 19:48.39 | _trine | I had a notification to download the UK image |
| 19:49.27 | unixSnob | boooooyaa! hell yea.. I'm so excited.. got a raging purple hardon |
| 19:49.28 | kpel | MohammadAG: what is the difference? will there by any issues with the keyboard layout, localisation etc? |
| 19:49.33 | unixSnob | claws mail works with GPG |
| 19:49.53 | MohammadAG | kpel, nope, no major difference, only some package name changes |
| 19:50.11 | MohammadAG | keyboard layout is stored in cal afaik, so it will be detected |
| 19:50.26 | kpel | MohammadAG: ok thanks. i'll flash the global image |
| 19:50.31 | kpel | btw what's cal? |
| 19:51.05 | _trine | I tried to update my phone but each time it seemed to have finished the download it started from the beginning again |
| 19:51.25 | _trine | this was the UK image |
| 19:51.32 | MohammadAG | /dev/mtd1, it stores persistent stuff, such as IMEI etc |
| 19:51.35 | _trine | for pr 1.3 |
| 19:51.39 | MohammadAG | and apparently, it logs which images you flashed |
| 19:51.56 | kpel | i c |
| 19:52.01 | MohammadAG | stores the lock code too |
| 19:52.05 | lucent | stabs codec-support |
| 19:52.54 | _trine | MohammadAG, if I was invited to update on my uk phone then the UK pr 1.3 exists doesnt it ? |
| 19:53.00 | MohammadAG | oh my |
| 19:53.03 | MohammadAG | this logs everything |
| 19:53.13 | MohammadAG | it has PR1.0's version number in it |
| 19:56.01 | MohammadAG | and kernel flashes, bummer |
| 19:57.34 | _trine | MohammadAG, I asked you a question |
| 19:58.28 | _trine | thinks hes fxcking invisible |
| 19:58.49 | wmarone | no one's obligated to answer your questions ;) |
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| 19:59.03 | wmarone | anyway, it obviously exists because PR1.3 exists, why it isn't available in the UK is anyone's guess |
| 19:59.11 | _trine | wmarone, yes otherwise you have to die |
| 19:59.35 | _trine | wmarone, I was saying it looks like it IS |
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| 20:07.05 | unixSnob | yup.. gpe calandar is the peice of shit that was slowing everything down, causing memory to run out, when gpe cal wasn't even launched |
| 20:07.30 | unixSnob | performance is back to normal, now that I removed GPE calandar |
| 20:07.40 | Gorroth | unixSnob: yeah, i installed GPE once and promptly removed it, because it's horrible software |
| 20:08.11 | unixSnob | Gorroth: you're lucky. I paid for that for weeks |
| 20:08.18 | unixSnob | finally had a chance to diagnose things |
| 20:08.29 | Gorroth | well, i just didn't like the interface at all |
| 20:08.37 | Gorroth | i never got a chacne to notice that problem |
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| 20:09.16 | unixSnob | it could be an n800-only problem |
| 20:09.32 | unixSnob | gpe cal uses alarmd, apparently, and alarmd was changed quite a bit as I understand |
| 20:12.18 | unixSnob | tKMFDM: i think this is the thread that mislead me => http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/34803 |
| 20:12.37 | unixSnob | that thread leads you to think that you can sign, but not encrypt |
| 20:12.45 | unixSnob | but encrpytion works |
| 20:23.31 | MohammadAG | _trine, people sometimes idle |
| 20:23.34 | Gorroth | just installed my new squid package that now sits on extras-devel. please feel free to give it a whirl and see if you get SSL bump or transparent proxying setup |
| 20:23.44 | Gorroth | my tests were just basic caching, but i did build in that stuff |
| 20:24.23 | _trine | MohammadAG, bollocks you were here |
| 20:24.27 | _trine | no matter |
| 20:24.57 | MohammadAG | [21:55:50] <MohammadAG> and kernel flashes, bummer |
| 20:24.57 | MohammadAG | [21:58:41] <_trine> -MohammadAG, if I was invited to update on my uk phone then the UK pr 1.3 exists doesnt it ? |
| 20:25.19 | MohammadAG | there isn't a UK update |
| 20:26.01 | _trine | MohammadAG, thats why I mentioned it,, I could not understand why I received a message to up date |
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| 20:26.40 | MohammadAG | cause that service (MyNokia?) is rather retarded |
| 20:26.41 | _trine | and when I connected as it told me to do with the usb cable it did find an upgrade to pr .13 |
| 20:27.17 | _trine | but each time it downloaded the 200.2 meg it started again |
| 20:27.38 | MohammadAG | then you're not on UK firmware |
| 20:27.55 | _trine | I think I am |
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| 20:31.54 | _trine | MohammadAG, I just checked to make sure and I am on UK firmware |
| 20:32.05 | GAN900 | I hope Harmattan isn't completely portrait-biased. |
| 20:32.36 | _trine | 10.2010.19-1-PR 1.2- UK version |
| 20:32.58 | _trine | and it did find an update |
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| 20:34.02 | ZogG | GAN900> I hope Harmattan isn't completely portrait-biased. // so people keep complain? |
| 20:34.05 | MohammadAG | _trine, then update |
| 20:34.15 | Gorroth | GAN900: it can't be, because our n900 devices operate in landscape mode when the keyboard is slid out. i hope apps flip |
| 20:34.31 | Gorroth | i mean, it could be, but that just seems stupid |
| 20:34.32 | _trine | MohammadAG, you dont appear to be paying attention tonight |
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| 20:34.46 | GAN900 | ZogG, because I hate portrait for real usage. |
| 20:34.59 | _trine | I told you I tried to update after it did find the firmware update |
| 20:34.59 | Gorroth | really? portrait is fantastic for websites |
| 20:35.15 | ZogG | GAN900 i like both the same |
| 20:35.19 | WakiMiko_ | im trying to use the charge adapter to charge my n900 using an old nokia power supply |
| 20:35.22 | WakiMiko_ | but it doesnt work |
| 20:35.27 | WakiMiko_ | is that a well know problem? |
| 20:35.34 | _trine | but after it downloaded it all 200.2 megs it kept starting over again |
| 20:35.40 | GAN900 | Gorroth, never found that to be the case at 480px |
| 20:35.44 | WakiMiko_ | btw my old power adaptor only outputs 3.7 volts |
| 20:35.53 | Gorroth | GAN900: eh, to each their own |
| 20:35.54 | ZogG | _trine on device? |
| 20:36.00 | _trine | n900 |
| 20:36.11 | MohammadAG | the image isn't 200.2 MBs |
| 20:36.18 | ZogG | broken file |
| 20:36.24 | GAN900 | Gorroth, indeed, I just hope my own doesn't fall by the wayside in the next device (although I know it will). |
| 20:36.28 | _trine | MohammadAG, well thats what it said it was |
| 20:36.35 | MohammadAG | it's lying |
| 20:36.50 | _trine | MohammadAG, well thats why I mentioned it |
| 20:36.59 | _trine | so at least you would know |
| 20:37.03 | Gorroth | GAN900: i doubt it. even android phone like the really popular Droid and Droid X support landscape. it is something people love for particular kinds of use-cases, and they won't get rid of it |
| 20:37.05 | doubleukay | portrait makes a web page overview look good. but i prefer reading in landscape. |
| 20:37.32 | _trine | MohammadAG, how big should the file be? |
| 20:37.55 | _trine | appox will do |
| 20:38.09 | MohammadAG | 179 |
| 20:38.28 | MohammadAG | well more |
| 20:38.29 | MohammadAG | 191MDesktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 20:38.40 | _trine | hmm well thats odd because it was downloading a 200.2 meg file |
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| 20:40.18 | _trine | It tries to finish the download and when it seems to fail it retries 3 times before giving up |
| 20:40.50 | _trine | but it definatly says it has found pr 1.3 |
| 20:41.30 | lucent | tKMFDM: possible fix for the tracker stuff |
| 20:42.50 | lucent | tKMFDM: apt-get remove --purge gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg gstreamer0.10-flv gstreamer0.10-musepack gstreamer0.10-rm gstreamer0.10-mkv gstreamer 0.10-plugins-bad-extra tracker-distutils ogg-support gstreamer0.10-vp8 |
| 20:42.59 | lucent | tKMFDM: apt-get autoremove --purge |
| 20:43.08 | lucent | tKMFDM: apt-get install codec-support |
| 20:43.39 | lucent | welll that last line was no good |
| 20:43.51 | lucent | tKMFDM: sorry, it should be apt-get install decoders-support |
| 20:44.23 | MohammadAG | chem|st, ping |
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| 20:45.28 | ZogG | damn that sms bug is annoying |
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| 20:45.41 | ZogG | even when it's over after some reboots it comes back |
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| 20:48.06 | merlin1991 | where's the difference btw libsdl-mixer1.2 1.2.6-5+0m5 from the image and libsdl-mixer1.2 1.2.6-5+0m5+ogg+mp3 from extras? |
| 20:48.06 | lucent | I wish google voice SMS was integrated into the maemo SMS |
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| 20:52.11 | sjk | Hello! I'm trying to make my own desktop shortcut as described here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Easy_Debian#Creating_desktop_shortcuts_in_Maemo. I want to execute ossa-xterm with a command |
| 20:52.42 | sjk | I've tried: Exec=/usr/bin/ossa-xterm ssh a.b.com |
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| 20:56.28 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, how much of HC is now pure qt? |
| 20:56.52 | Noobmonk3y_ | new or old? |
| 20:57.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | and i assume you mean code v gui? |
| 20:57.02 | lcuk | new |
| 20:57.59 | Noobmonk3y_ | erm, all of the screens are gui'd but all actions, etc are hcoded, so... erm 70 code |
| 20:58.02 | Noobmonk3y_ | ish |
| 20:58.09 | lcuk | qt or python still? |
| 20:58.18 | Noobmonk3y_ | oh qt |
| 20:58.19 | Noobmonk3y_ | all |
| 20:58.23 | Gorroth | buildin' ettercap |
| 20:58.33 | Gorroth | damn it; it still fails |
| 20:58.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | which is why ists developing so slowly :) |
| 20:58.42 | Noobmonk3y_ | hehe |
| 20:59.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | so learning c++/qt all in one go, pretty much like b4 |
| 21:01.03 | Noobmonk3y_ | oooo rdp works damn well on the n900, v impressed |
| 21:01.09 | Gorroth | it does? |
| 21:01.14 | Gorroth | hadn't even thought to try it |
| 21:01.38 | Noobmonk3y_ | just trying it now, cross 3g, no lag! |
| 21:01.52 | Gorroth | nice |
| 21:02.08 | Gorroth | i just like how hackable the n900 is |
| 21:02.16 | Gorroth | don't really like it as a phone though; not yet |
| 21:02.19 | Gorroth | maybe meego will improve that |
| 21:02.35 | ZogG | yeah i wanted n810 wimax |
| 21:02.37 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 21:02.41 | ZogG | but than n900 was out |
| 21:02.48 | Noobmonk3y_ | hehe, hardly use it as a phone |
| 21:02.51 | ZogG | so i said i would have a phone and n810 like device |
| 21:03.00 | ZogG | but i was wrong |
| 21:03.03 | Noobmonk3y_ | but as a mini pc it aint bad |
| 21:03.14 | ZogG | should go for nexus + n810 |
| 21:03.17 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:03.27 | Noobmonk3y_ | its works well enough for me |
| 21:03.35 | Noobmonk3y_ | lcuk, why the qt q? |
| 21:04.21 | Noobmonk3y_ | frals, evenin! |
| 21:04.32 | Gorroth | i use my nexus one as a phone |
| 21:04.40 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 21:05.00 | Noobmonk3y_ | i have a shitty e71, actually prefer the n900 as a phone :) |
| 21:06.13 | Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, wayyyy to quiet in here, are you and frals plotting to trout the world again? |
| 21:06.31 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, pondering whether it will work easily on meego :P |
| 21:06.48 | Noobmonk3y_ | mine wont at present, but will when i'm done |
| 21:06.57 | lcuk | thats excellent |
| 21:07.05 | MohammadAG | kicks Noobmonk3y |
| 21:07.17 | Noobmonk3y_ | i have it all locked in 'if maemo5' statements at the mo, courtesy of Mo |
| 21:07.24 | MohammadAG | lcuk, see? I didn't spank him |
| 21:07.34 | lcuk | good good |
| 21:07.40 | Noobmonk3y_ | so when i eventually try meego, i should be able to add the specific doe |
| 21:07.44 | Noobmonk3y_ | cod* |
| 21:07.47 | Noobmonk3y_ | e |
| 21:08.06 | Noobmonk3y_ | maybe i could get smaller thumbs to type with at the same time! |
| 21:08.24 | MohammadAG | wants them Rock band 3 pro instruments |
| 21:08.30 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:08.37 | lcuk | infinite Noobmonk3y_'s typing on infinite n900s |
| 21:08.59 | Noobmonk3y_ | lcuk..... thats a scary thought!!! |
| 21:09.48 | lcuk | yeah |
| 21:09.58 | lcuk | having one of you around is bad enough :P |
| 21:10.25 | Noobmonk3y_ | what bugs me about meego, is i know i could try it now... but i will wait like the rest until it is usable, therefore, release an app 6months after it is out again..... |
| 21:10.43 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:10.44 | kerio | every man has 6 legs |
| 21:11.02 | Noobmonk3y_ | kerio, wow |
| 21:11.09 | kerio | no man has 4 legs, one man has two legs more than no man, one man has 6 legs - extend for all men |
| 21:11.24 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 21:11.36 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, if you make HC carefully enough and try to retain standard api usage, you could theoretically have HC released for you without any intervention from yourself :P |
| 21:12.08 | lcuk | hc on n8 |
| 21:12.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | not true, it calls specific maemo terminal commands still, so i will need to research and change ema ll |
| 21:12.17 | _trine | 6 legs |
| 21:12.41 | Noobmonk3y_ | n8 using symbian? |
| 21:12.48 | lcuk | with qt ontop |
| 21:12.55 | Noobmonk3y_ | true |
| 21:13.01 | Noobmonk3y_ | the recode will be easier |
| 21:13.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | but tis still device specific atm |
| 21:13.18 | lcuk | sure |
| 21:13.43 | lcuk | you will be able to slowly move pieces over, one at a time even, from the console hack to the specific api |
| 21:14.06 | Noobmonk3y_ | the aim would be a cool multi device tool... but it myay be a few generations of it before i'm happy hehe |
| 21:14.17 | lcuk | indeed |
| 21:14.18 | Noobmonk3y_ | lcuk, hopefully! |
| 21:14.52 | Noobmonk3y_ | would be nice to have decent api documentation for all fuctions :) |
| 21:17.48 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, theres a fully documented set of meego api stuff around - once the link comes active again i will show you |
| 21:18.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | yay! thanks lcuk , will be v useful! |
| 21:18.51 | Noobmonk3y_ | i'm up for a new device in april, crossing fingers there is a meego one out around then! |
| 21:19.27 | MohammadAG | and a Symbian API |
| 21:19.37 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:19.42 | lcuk | and a drizzle lemon cakre |
| 21:19.45 | lcuk | cake |
| 21:19.56 | Noobmonk3y_ | oooo cake |
| 21:20.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | mandy has been chocolate making today! yay! |
| 21:20.40 | Noobmonk3y_ | so i'm sitting here with a test of all types, and wine.... tough life |
| 21:21.05 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, i am going to have to borrow Mandy, I hope you do not object |
| 21:21.31 | Noobmonk3y_ | harsh!!!! |
| 21:21.55 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, i would like to sample her sweet confectionary |
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| 21:22.06 | Noobmonk3y_ | take her and you take my cake and chocolate supply, my hairdresser, accountant and oh, girlfriend lol |
| 21:22.43 | lcuk | lol |
| 21:22.56 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 21:23.53 | MohammadAG | the more you see on youtube the more you wish you never "evolved" |
| 21:24.16 | Noobmonk3y_ | MohammadAG, some of us haven't |
| 21:24.23 | Noobmonk3y_ | looks at frals |
| 21:24.48 | lucent | having seen the "double rainbow guy" youtube video, I agree |
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| 21:25.08 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, http://apidocs.meego.com/1.1/core/html/index.html |
| 21:25.49 | Noobmonk3y_ | thankyou! |
| 21:26.10 | lcuk | had wrong url in head, hence thinking it was broke a minute ago |
| 21:26.28 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol! |
| 21:26.36 | Noobmonk3y_ | yay to system api! |
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| 21:27.34 | Noobmonk3y_ | oooo can i start using some of this on the N900 now? |
| 21:28.49 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y_, yes - qt.47 and mobility classes are available in pr1.3 |
| 21:29.11 | Noobmonk3y_ | w00t |
| 21:29.21 | lcuk | w00t_ you mean :P |
| 21:29.23 | Noobmonk3y_ | darn need to start hc again! |
| 21:29.30 | lcuk | lol @ you and hardcore |
| 21:29.30 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:29.38 | lcuk | you are a sex maniac :P |
| 21:29.41 | Noobmonk3y_ | it is harcore! |
| 21:29.48 | Noobmonk3y_ | and yes, yes...... yes... |
| 21:29.57 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
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| 21:34.26 | lcuk | can someone please kick Noobmonk3y_ - he is gross and vile |
| 21:34.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | :) |
| 21:34.41 | lcuk | :D |
| 21:34.41 | Noobmonk3y_ | giggles |
| 21:34.48 | lcuk | opens the window |
| 21:34.51 | kerio | is that a challenge? |
| 21:34.51 | lcuk | then laughs a bit |
| 21:35.20 | Noobmonk3y_ | lcuk drugged me and took me out the back.... the started talking to me about sweet things.... |
| 21:35.23 | lcuk | no kerio - good fun humour is different to the repulsiveness at your links |
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| 21:35.27 | kerio | oh, i see |
| 21:35.32 | Noobmonk3y_ | lol |
| 21:37.07 | unixSnob | when I run "dpkg -l" I get a list of packages w/ versions, but not sizes. How can I see the amount of space that would be freed up if I remove packages? |
| 21:37.26 | unixSnob | i'd like to get it as a list, but if that's not possible, I can script it to give me a list |
| 21:38.10 | lcuk | unixSnob, last time ii needed that, i was interested in the package sizes (download size) not the on disk result size, but |
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| 21:38.34 | lcuk | having said that, there are some apps on extras and devel which can detect installed size (space on each partition for optify purposes) |
| 21:38.39 | Noobmonk3y_ | brb |
| 21:38.40 | lcuk | so reading their source might reveal |
| 21:39.43 | unixSnob | lcuk: that wouldn't be the full picture either though.. Eg. you remove 1 package, but apt-get sees 5 other packages that could be removed along with it |
| 21:40.02 | lcuk | unixSnob, sure |
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| 21:40.08 | lcuk | but thats a different problem again |
| 21:40.16 | lcuk | you would have to recursively generate a tree |
| 21:40.27 | lcuk | including the specific working set of files in that package alone |
| 21:40.33 | nox- | moin |
| 21:40.33 | internetishard | pidgin-otr isn't working on maemo |
| 21:40.36 | unixSnob | I'm thinking I can maybe do a "apt-get remove..." but with a show effort flag |
| 21:40.45 | internetishard | http://www.mail-archive.com/otr-users@lists.cypherpunks.ca/msg00045.html same as this - any ideas? |
| 21:40.46 | lcuk | then sum up the dependencies etc |
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| 21:43.41 | unixSnob | bummer.. doesn't work as I hoped. I tried => apt-get -s remove osso-backup |
| 21:43.53 | unixSnob | but it doesn't actually show how much space it frees up in the simulation |
| 21:45.42 | internetishard | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47104&page=2 this says "use Q&A method" on the n900, but I don't see it anywhere in OTR options |
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| 21:59.48 | GAN900 | Is there a clock with seconds floating around anywhere? |
| 22:00.51 | alterego | looks at his wall |
| 22:00.56 | alterego | I've got one :P |
| 22:04.40 | GAN900 | Need to set the clocks on a bunch of Win98 machines |
| 22:06.02 | ieatlint | go to terminal, type "watch -n1 date" and zoom in :P |
| 22:06.32 | GAN900 | Perfect |
| 22:06.36 | GAN900 | thanks, ieatlint. |
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| 22:08.09 | ieatlint | np |
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| 22:13.29 | ieatlint | there any git gurus in here? |
| 22:13.58 | lcuk | ieatlint, dunno, ask the question, someone who isnt a guru might have encountered it before |
| 22:14.15 | ieatlint | heh, indeed, i'm guilty of a classic faux paux |
| 22:14.50 | ieatlint | anyone know how to setup a git checkout that pushes changes to two git repos (the repos synced -- i want to host the code on two different servers) |
| 22:15.31 | ieatlint | and to add to my bullshit, i think i just answered my own question, heh |
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| 22:23.55 | lcuk | ieatlint, :) taking a few moments to present a question often has that effect |
| 22:24.26 | ieatlint | yeah, "git remote" works nicely |
| 22:24.30 | ieatlint | :) |
| 22:24.52 | timeless_xchat | sighs |
| 22:26.17 | lcuk | hey timeless |
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| 22:26.54 | sivang | timeless_mbp: why sigh? |
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| 22:27.33 | timeless_mbp | i just tried using the Camera and Media Player |
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| 22:27.45 | timeless_mbp | they have "interesting" "features" |
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| 22:27.54 | alterego | Yes, they don't work together :P |
| 22:27.56 | timeless_mbp | they both occasionally show you time in the form of "00:00" |
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| 22:28.06 | timeless_mbp | unfortunately, they don't use a monospace font for this |
| 22:28.13 | timeless_mbp | nor do they ask for "tabular numbers" |
| 22:28.32 | timeless_mbp | they do otoh have text or glyphs whose layout is affected by their length |
| 22:28.32 | sivang | so it is very hard to read? |
| 22:28.38 | timeless_mbp | no, it jitters! |
| 22:28.43 | timeless_mbp | always a good idea... |
| 22:28.48 | sivang | ah, I got used to that already... |
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| 22:28.55 | timeless_mbp | slaps sivang |
| 22:28.57 | sivang | stuff has been more jittering in 1.3 |
| 22:29.00 | sivang | hehe |
| 22:29.04 | timeless_mbp | bad fake user |
| 22:29.11 | sivang | and hebrew fonts got a bit more ugly... |
| 22:29.15 | timeless_mbp | the other thing is spiffier |
| 22:29.33 | timeless_mbp | in the media player while playing a video, if you tap the screen, you get buttons at the bottom |
| 22:29.41 | timeless_mbp | ⦠if you press and hold on e.g. the left button (sharing) |
| 22:29.51 | timeless_mbp | the bottom of the glyph gets chopped off |
| 22:29.58 | timeless_mbp | because the icon wasn't ugly enough as is |
| 22:30.06 | timeless_mbp | s/is/designed/ |
| 22:30.23 | timeless_mbp | waits for people to run out and try these "features" |
| 22:30.42 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, on which os |
| 22:30.53 | timeless_mbp | Maemo PR1.3? |
| 22:31.02 | timeless_mbp | are there other os's that matter in #maemo? :) |
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| 22:31.16 | sivang | timeless_mbp: I never upgraded to 1.3 |
| 22:31.21 | sivang | timeless_mbp: been reading horror stories |
| 22:31.26 | timeless_mbp | gah! |
| 22:31.31 | sivang | yes :/ |
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| 22:31.34 | alterego | I've not had a prob with 1.3 :/ |
| 22:31.38 | timeless_mbp | 1.3 gives you working support for WPS |
| 22:31.44 | sivang | WPS? |
| 22:31.52 | timeless_mbp | WiFi Protected Setup |
| 22:31.55 | lcuk | hm |
| 22:32.06 | nox- | oh nice |
| 22:32.06 | timeless_mbp | (namely it gives you two copies of each WPS network, one for Classic Password, and one for WPS) |
| 22:32.11 | sivang | timeless_mbp: you mean the auto setting itself stuff? |
| 22:32.14 | alterego | Well, that's a slight annoyance removed :D |
| 22:32.25 | timeless_mbp | since no one actually uses WPS, you can now actually connect w/o manual pain |
| 22:32.43 | timeless_mbp | sivang: yeah, but the reality is that very people know how to use WPS |
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| 22:32.52 | timeless_mbp | WPS is basically standard in all new wifi routers |
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| 22:33.05 | timeless_mbp | but WPS education is non standard in normal humans |
| 22:33.15 | timeless_mbp | so you get people who say "my password is XXXX" |
| 22:33.22 | timeless_mbp | and you look at your pr1.2 device and cry |
| 22:33.22 | ShadowJK | I remember using WPS in 1.2 and making it talk to a wifi router fine :/ |
| 22:33.31 | sivang | timeless_mbp: I never configured my routers to support it so I don't think I'd care.. |
| 22:33.34 | alterego | Yeah, I had to previously manually setup WPS in routers on some free hotspots |
| 22:33.39 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: using a password or using the WPS part? |
| 22:33.44 | ShadowJK | timeless, the wps part |
| 22:33.54 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: this is about the non wps version |
| 22:34.00 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 22:34.01 | nidO | ShadowJK: that always worked fine |
| 22:34.09 | sivang | timeless_mbp: where do you get WPS eduction? ;) |
| 22:34.10 | alterego | Yeah |
| 22:34.21 | nidO | the problem was trying to use a pw instead on a wps enabled router, where you'd have to at a public hotspot for example |
| 22:34.22 | timeless_mbp | sivang =~ s/eduction/education/ |
| 22:34.41 | timeless_mbp | anyway, it was possible to work around it, you manually configured the network |
| 22:34.43 | alterego | But manually adding connections in settings was an annoying pain. :) |
| 22:34.43 | sivang | timeless_mbp: yes, sorry, I need a new laptop |
| 22:34.49 | timeless_mbp | but that's incredibly painful |
| 22:34.57 | timeless_mbp | anyway, pr1.3 solves this |
| 22:35.05 | sivang | right, so it is easier with 1.3? |
| 22:35.08 | sivang | nice! |
| 22:35.11 | timeless_mbp | you get 2 available networks |
| 22:35.13 | sivang | I should try it then |
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| 22:35.17 | timeless_mbp | one labeled WPS and one not |
| 22:35.22 | ShadowJK | I need to ask work for time off so I have enough time to upgrade to 1.3 in case it goes wrong again :) |
| 22:35.29 | timeless_mbp | if you want to use WPS you pick the labeled one, if not, you pick the other |
| 22:35.36 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: lol |
| 22:35.37 | sivang | ShadowJK: :) |
| 22:35.50 | timeless_mbp | anyway, would someone please try my media player bug? |
| 22:35.57 | timeless_mbp | i'd love to know that it works in pr1.2 |
| 22:36.02 | sivang | ShadowJK: same here, I can't afford to screw it now but the topic here said that 1.3 is slowly coming, be patient |
| 22:36.06 | ShadowJK | timeless, I don' |
| 22:36.08 | timeless_mbp | i'm too lazy to stretch out my arm to the pr1.2 n900 w/ me :) |
| 22:36.13 | sivang | timeless_mbp: I have 1.2 |
| 22:36.14 | ShadowJK | timeless, I don't remember seeing share icons in 1.2 |
| 22:36.17 | sivang | timeless_mbp: let's try |
| 22:36.27 | sivang | timeless_mbp: can you again explain how to reproduce? |
| 22:36.41 | timeless_mbp | play a video |
| 22:36.46 | timeless_mbp | tap the screen |
| 22:36.46 | sivang | does |
| 22:36.48 | timeless_mbp | you should see a scrub bar |
| 22:36.56 | timeless_mbp | on the left edge of the bar |
| 22:37.01 | timeless_mbp | are two buttons, share and trash |
| 22:37.07 | timeless_mbp | look at the "pretty" picture |
| 22:37.21 | timeless_mbp | now press the top part of the "pretty" picture, and look at the bottom part |
| 22:37.28 | timeless_mbp | it should be chopped off while pressed |
| 22:37.31 | sivang | pretty picture? |
| 22:37.39 | timeless_mbp | it's a glyph |
| 22:37.39 | sivang | the share icon got chopped though |
| 22:37.45 | timeless_mbp | done by a graphically challenged artist |
| 22:37.48 | sivang | hehe |
| 22:37.56 | timeless_mbp | further challenged by someone's clever use of cropping |
| 22:38.04 | timeless_mbp | repeat for trash |
| 22:38.05 | sivang | it is something I would expect 70's reproductionof war of the worlds |
| 22:38.10 | ShadowJK | a marginal part of the jingle bells on the sticks get castrated slightly in 1.2 |
| 22:38.14 | timeless_mbp | for bonus points, try to get screen captures |
| 22:38.17 | sivang | but it will trash my video no? |
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| 22:38.26 | timeless_mbp | sivang: there's a confirm dialog |
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| 22:38.37 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: right |
| 22:38.39 | sivang | timeless_mbp: can I trust it? ;-) |
| 22:38.45 | ShadowJK | screen captures wont work at all with media player, I'm sure. You'll get green with UI, or black with UI :) |
| 22:38.49 | timeless_mbp | sivang: i've done it a couple of times |
| 22:38.55 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: oddly, it worked fine for me |
| 22:38.57 | sivang | timeless_mbp: ok, /me tries |
| 22:39.05 | timeless_mbp | well, for some definition of fine |
| 22:39.07 | timeless_mbp | it shows the bug |
| 22:39.17 | timeless_mbp | but note: it's a royal pain to take screen shots of this |
| 22:39.21 | ShadowJK | timeless, fancy. Either they killed hw accel, or they went to great lengths to make screenshots work |
| 22:39.33 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: i don't need a picture of the movie |
| 22:39.35 | timeless_mbp | just the ui |
| 22:39.38 | ShadowJK | ah right. |
| 22:39.40 | sivang | timeless_mbp: trsh can get's cut of its bottom part, yes |
| 22:39.42 | sivang | darn |
| 22:39.59 | timeless_mbp | anyway, i need to try to figure out how to do a demo showing these things |
| 22:40.00 | sivang | looking more like athens |
| 22:40.04 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 22:40.05 | timeless_mbp | yes |
| 22:40.10 | sivang | timeless_mbp: we can do with my N900 |
| 22:40.19 | sivang | timeless_mbp: if we get a projector and I bring my cables |
| 22:40.25 | sivang | timeless_mbp: for the talk? |
| 22:40.27 | timeless_mbp | yeah |
| 22:40.32 | timeless_mbp | please make sure they know we want to project |
| 22:40.39 | timeless_mbp | oddly, i have *2* cables w/ me atm |
| 22:40.47 | timeless_mbp | otoh, i have *2* devices too, so ... |
| 22:40.49 | sivang | I am going to write an email wit our reqs tomorrow |
| 22:41.02 | sivang | timeless_mbp: mine is going to be with me as my phone so not a problem |
| 22:41.20 | sivang | timeless_mbp: btw, how are we gonna pull the ui handouts stuff? |
| 22:41.33 | sivang | timeless_mbp: also, take note that talk time has been shortened for 40minutes for the longest ones |
| 22:41.46 | timeless_mbp | 'guess we have to finish that by wednesday :) |
| 22:41.49 | timeless_mbp | i'll figure it out then |
| 22:41.57 | timeless_mbp | i'm still @Lyon right now |
| 22:42.02 | sivang | timeless_mbp: right, I figured |
| 22:42.49 | sivang | timeless_mbp: ui handouts were your suggestion, hence why I'm asking- for my parts, I will send you soemthingto see hopefully the day after tomorrwo (always wanted to say that!) |
| 22:43.06 | sivang | timeless_mbp: been cranking on this document store for the last couple of days.. |
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| 22:52.01 | unixSnob | answer to my question => dpkg -l | awk '{print $2}' | sed -e '1,5d'\ | while read p; do dpkg -s $p; done | grep -E '(Package:|Installed-Size)'\ | sed -e '/Package/N;{;s/Package: \(.*\)Installed-Size: \(.*\)/\2 \1/;};' | grep '[0-9]\{4,\}' | sort -n |
| 22:52.30 | timeless_mbp | ENOTENGLISH |
| 22:52.33 | timeless_mbp | EAWK |
| 22:54.31 | Noobmonk3y | ooo i left irc on :P |
| 22:54.49 | unixSnob | xulrunner is my biggest app. Is that part of the stock browser? |
| 22:54.52 | Noobmonk3y_ | slag |
| 22:55.04 | Noobmonk3y | punches Noobmonk3y_ |
| 22:55.15 | timeless_mbp | unixSnob: no |
| 22:55.21 | timeless_mbp | that's fennec |
| 22:55.38 | timeless_mbp | apt-cache rdepends or something? |
| 22:56.28 | unixSnob | hmm.. i installed fennec at one point to play around with alternate browsers.. then removed it |
| 22:56.39 | unixSnob | xulrunner should have been removed too |
| 22:57.04 | timeless_mbp | apt-cache show xulrunner|more |
| 22:57.14 | timeless_mbp | MAintainer: Mobile Feedback <mobile-feedback@mozilla.com> |
| 22:57.18 | timeless_mbp | s/MA/Ma/ |
| 22:57.22 | timeless_mbp | does that look like nokia? |
| 22:57.33 | timeless_mbp | section: user/hidden |
| 22:57.34 | timeless_mbp | funny. |
| 22:58.03 | timeless_mbp | it even has a Description: field clearly implicating Firefox |
| 22:58.09 | timeless_mbp | as well as a Maemo-Display-Name |
| 22:58.22 | timeless_mbp | anyway, since it's in user/*, it's probably visible in add remove |
| 22:58.39 | ShadowJK | firefox, fennec, microb... people confuse the 3 together |
| 22:58.45 | timeless_mbp | or whatever the poorly localized app manager was called by some idiotic finn |
| 22:58.45 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 22:59.09 | timeless_mbp | ShadowJK: because 'f' and 'm' are so close on the keyboard? |
| 22:59.24 | ShadowJK | no because that's what marketing do |
| 22:59.26 | ShadowJK | create confusion |
| 22:59.42 | timeless_mbp | rotfl |
| 22:59.45 | timeless_mbp | > "Older Americans are less healthy than their English counterparts, but they live as long or even longer than their English peers, |
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| 23:01.17 | unixSnob | wtf.. If I run => apt-get remove xulrunner <= it tells me "Package xulrunner is not installed, so not removed" |
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| 23:01.42 | timeless_mbp | it probably has conf files |
| 23:01.45 | unixSnob | but when I run => dpkg -l xulrunner <= i get "rc xulrunner 1.9.2a1pre-20090312092403 XUL runtime package" |
| 23:01.51 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 23:01.55 | timeless_mbp | it's dead, but has conf files |
| 23:01.59 | timeless_mbp | go read the top of dpkg -l |
| 23:02.16 | timeless_mbp | power users are funny |
| 23:02.49 | unixSnob | top line is "Status=Not/Installed/Config-files/Unpacked/Failed-config/Half-installed" |
| 23:03.33 | unixSnob | that's not readable |
| 23:03.43 | timeless_mbp | welcome to Linux |
| 23:03.43 | unixSnob | installed... half-installed |
| 23:03.56 | timeless_mbp | where we do unreadability as an artform |
| 23:04.20 | timeless_mbp | Like Unix, but worse |
| 23:05.53 | unixSnob | i removed the config file, but dpkg -l still shows it's not gone |
| 23:06.22 | unixSnob | rm /etc/gre.d/1.9.2a1pre.system.conf |
| 23:06.34 | unixSnob | what else do I need to remove? |
| 23:07.26 | timeless_mbp | try man dpkg âpurge ? |
| 23:08.56 | unixSnob | that's better |
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| 23:09.01 | unixSnob | thnkas |
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| 23:12.51 | sp3000 | r as in Desired=Remove, c as in Status=Conf-files, it's like right there |
| 23:12.59 | sivang | back for a little while |
| 23:13.16 | sivang | now do I converse with infobot privately? :) |
| 23:13.32 | sivang | re-evaluate pr1.3 |
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| 23:13.58 | sivang | ~pr1.3 |
| 23:13.58 | infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 23:14.04 | timeless_mbp | sp3000: people using grep don't see that stuff :) |
| 23:14.10 | timeless_mbp | btw, is the xref happy? |
| 23:14.21 | sp3000 | freetext isn't :| |
| 23:14.28 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 23:14.32 | timeless_mbp | how unhappy? |
| 23:14.40 | sp3000 | unhappy |
| 23:14.45 | timeless_mbp | does file find work? |
| 23:14.52 | timeless_mbp | (or #include magic) |
| 23:15.14 | sp3000 | former looked like no, coming from a link |
| 23:15.17 | sp3000 | latter, didn't check |
| 23:15.42 | timeless_mbp | considers waking up w7 to ask the vpn what it thinks |
| 23:15.55 | timeless_mbp | i suspect we finally hit the "db too big" fault |
| 23:16.01 | timeless_mbp | oh brother |
| 23:16.13 | sp3000 | fwiw the sourcesource was in a slightly skewed state, the first dozen dirs were curiously renamed and building |
| 23:16.19 | timeless_mbp | a mozillan complained about inviting a mosquito to dine on her in her hotel room during TPAC |
| 23:16.27 | timeless_mbp | just realized that they've received the same invitation here |
| 23:17.07 | sp3000 | there's apparently a fairly narrow window there where it's in the right cloneable state |
| 23:17.41 | sp3000 | probably a script starts breaking it asap :) |
| 23:24.13 | Noobmonk3y | hmmm can i use new qtstuff to delve into the n900 bluetooth? |
| 23:24.43 | MohammadAG51 | what do you mean? |
| 23:27.17 | Noobmonk3y | ie, find the device, detect state, look at other devices around etc |
| 23:27.57 | MohammadAG51 | read about bluez then :) |
| 23:28.03 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 23:28.05 | Noobmonk3y | time for bed lol |
| 23:28.09 | Noobmonk3y | see yall tomorrow :) |
| 23:28.20 | MohammadAG51 | night |
| 23:28.34 | unixSnob | what's the command to cleanup all the unneeded crap after installing things? |
| 23:28.51 | unixSnob | I think deb files end up getting dumped somewhere |
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| 23:29.06 | steinex | unixSnob: apt-get clean will remove the debs |
| 23:29.11 | unixSnob | thanks |
| 23:30.07 | steinex | (they are in /var/cache/apt/archives/, btw) |
| 23:30.59 | steinex | i actually never clean them when not on space pressure, who cares... ;-) |
| 23:31.14 | unixSnob | made quite a difference.. from 3 mb avail to 19 |
| 23:31.17 | steinex | and it may be come very handy when you want to downgrade stuff |
| 23:31.31 | MohammadAG51 | has archives on MyDocs |
| 23:32.01 | MohammadAG51 | 1.2G MyDocs/archives |
| 23:32.48 | timeless_mbp | downgrading is a myth :) |
| 23:33.32 | MohammadAG51 | wants PR1.0 keyboard :( |
| 23:33.52 | timeless_mbp | wants a pony |
| 23:33.58 | timeless_mbp | with sponsored stable! |
| 23:34.15 | steinex | after owning my n900 for a half a year now, today i began to love it - there may be 100000 apps in the android-market, but not 1 usable multi-messaging client. my girlfriend rants. |
| 23:34.41 | steinex | wouldn't have thought that. |
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| 23:35.15 | steinex | same with a podcatcher |
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| 23:35.31 | steinex | there are tons. of. crap. |
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| 23:37.08 | sivang | timeless_mbp: LOL |
| 23:37.17 | sivang | timeless_mbp: you sould like that ubuntu guy |
| 23:37.21 | sivang | *sound |
| 23:37.28 | timeless_mbp | housing ponies isn't cheap! |
| 23:37.47 | sivang | anyway, now it is really sleep time for me. |
| 23:37.51 | timeless_mbp | http://science.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1856536&cid=34146698 |
| 23:37.57 | timeless_mbp | > No. Not even close. Japan has the world's worst cheese. I went to a fancy restaurant and noticed they had a cheese plate. This is such a rare occurrence in Japan that I thought I must be dreaming. So I asked the waitress, "What kinds of cheese are on the cheese plate?". She replied, "Processed and cream". |
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| 23:40.28 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 23:42.28 | sivang | night all! |
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| 23:58.37 | johnx | timeless_mbp, that sounds fairly accurate, with the exception that the US version of processed cheese is actually better than the Japanese version (usually) |
| 23:58.48 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 23:59.38 | johnx | cliff notes: food is weird in every country except the one you live in |
