| 00:00.11 | MohammadAG | and I'm surprised that the gallery scrolls faster and smoother than the iPhone 4, so they finally got it right |
| 00:00.21 | tripzero | rotation on maemo is laughable |
| 00:00.23 | MohammadAG | capacitive screens are meh |
| 00:00.23 | tripzero | meego is much better |
| 00:00.54 | MohammadAG | don't like meego for some reason |
| 00:00.58 | MohammadAG | it feels like a downgrade |
| 00:01.06 | tripzero | right now... it is |
| 00:01.10 | MohammadAG | same goes for android |
| 00:01.28 | MohammadAG | the UI concept is a downgrade, not the speed/features |
| 00:01.32 | tripzero | meego doesn't quite have the hacker ethos feel yet |
| 00:01.47 | MohammadAG | and it won't, at least imo |
| 00:01.58 | tripzero | why not? |
| 00:02.00 | MohammadAG | it's shaping up to be a consumer's phone |
| 00:02.16 | tripzero | well, that's kinda the UI design goal |
| 00:02.31 | MohammadAG | I hope they miss those goals |
| 00:02.35 | tripzero | but there's no reason why you can't qml up your own awesomeness |
| 00:02.43 | MohammadAG | Maemo 5 has an epic UI |
| 00:02.56 | tripzero | i like it, but it has its quirks |
| 00:02.59 | tripzero | requires learning |
| 00:03.10 | tripzero | which consumer's don't know how to do easily |
| 00:03.19 | MohammadAG | keeps friends away from most private stuff |
| 00:03.24 | tripzero | haha |
| 00:03.40 | MohammadAG | a friend of mine took about 10 minutes to figure out how to open the menu |
| 00:03.52 | tripzero | wow |
| 00:04.00 | tripzero | i can see that... |
| 00:04.11 | MohammadAG | and most of my friends think Maemo is a theme, for symbian |
| 00:04.11 | tripzero | android isn't much better in some areas though |
| 00:04.34 | tripzero | heh, you must not live in the states. nobody here knows wtf symbian is |
| 00:04.45 | tripzero | let alone maemo |
| 00:04.50 | MohammadAG | Most devices are symbians here |
| 00:05.09 | MohammadAG | the iPhone failed, a $1600 price tag wasn't the best thing it got |
| 00:05.17 | tripzero | sheesh |
| 00:05.31 | tripzero | yeah, outside the us, things aren't subsidized |
| 00:05.44 | MohammadAG | that is subsidized, sorta |
| 00:05.49 | MohammadAG | it's not unlocked |
| 00:05.51 | tripzero | which i really dislike about the states... |
| 00:06.02 | tripzero | i hate being locked into contracts |
| 00:07.32 | tripzero | which is one of the reasons why i like the n900 |
| 00:07.36 | tripzero | (unlocked ftw) |
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| 00:08.40 | MohammadAG | true |
| 00:08.51 | MohammadAG | all of the phones I have (and use) are unlocked |
| 00:08.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's simlocked n900 |
| 00:09.02 | tripzero | overall though, compared to android/ios, maemo5 is the most capable OS |
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| 00:09.27 | vickyk73 | hi can some help me please with my nokia n900 |
| 00:09.33 | tripzero | shore |
| 00:09.41 | tripzero | step 1) n900 |
| 00:09.44 | tripzero | 2) hammer |
| 00:09.47 | tripzero | 3)... |
| 00:09.50 | tripzero | 4) profit! |
| 00:09.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~ask |
| 00:09.52 | infobot | Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. |
| 00:10.02 | MohammadAG | ~ack |
| 00:10.02 | infobot | *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* |
| 00:10.19 | vickyk73 | i tried to update my nokia n900 to the latest update it gave me an error after it had backed up and tried to install the software it asked me to reboot and try again |
| 00:10.56 | vickyk73 | now when i m trying to reboot it is telling me all telelphony functions including ememrgency calls are disabled due to a communicATION ERROR. |
| 00:11.07 | vickyk73 | TORECOVER YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REBOOT THE DEVICE |
| 00:11.16 | vickyk73 | I HAVE DOME THAT 5 TIMES AND STILL NOTHING |
| 00:11.21 | tripzero | off caps |
| 00:11.22 | vickyk73 | sorry for the caps |
| 00:11.26 | tripzero | thx |
| 00:11.37 | tripzero | you tried to over-the-air update? |
| 00:12.06 | vickyk73 | like not from ovi suite but from the phone itself |
| 00:12.18 | tripzero | you probably want to flash it |
| 00:12.23 | tripzero | i hear it's the safest method |
| 00:12.28 | vickyk73 | ok |
| 00:12.32 | vickyk73 | i m new to it |
| 00:12.33 | tripzero | ~pr1.3 |
| 00:12.33 | infobot | it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 00:12.37 | tripzero | no worreis |
| 00:12.40 | vickyk73 | so could u pls tell me how to go about it |
| 00:12.42 | MohammadAG | you'll lose all apps though |
| 00:12.50 | tripzero | meh, that's what backup is for |
| 00:12.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash |
| 00:12.59 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:13.01 | MohammadAG | settings, contacts, texts and similar stuff will not be touched |
| 00:13.16 | MohammadAG | as well as media |
| 00:13.27 | vickyk73 | so flashing means formatting? |
| 00:13.38 | MohammadAG | pretty much yes |
| 00:13.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | err... |
| 00:13.51 | MohammadAG | but the 32GB part won't be lost |
| 00:14.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | you said you did a backup |
| 00:14.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | it'll bring back all your stuff, after flashing |
| 00:15.01 | tripzero | when you send an n900 in for service, do they wipe the 32gig part ? |
| 00:15.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | just don't flash eMMC aka VANILLA |
| 00:15.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | tripzero: usually they do |
| 00:15.52 | tripzero | grumble... |
| 00:15.59 | tripzero | oh well, i made a backup in case they did |
| 00:16.13 | vickyk73 | can i message someone in private |
| 00:16.21 | vickyk73 | and can they help me step by step please |
| 00:16.27 | vickyk73 | i don't wanna mess up my phone |
| 00:16.28 | vickyk73 | :) |
| 00:16.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, just because theres no secrets |
| 00:16.46 | tripzero | follow the instructions above |
| 00:16.49 | tripzero | in ~flash |
| 00:16.50 | tripzero | ~flash |
| 00:16.51 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:16.58 | tripzero | and |
| 00:17.01 | tripzero | ~pr1.3 |
| 00:17.01 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 00:17.13 | tripzero | and ask questions here if needed ;) |
| 00:17.31 | tripzero | it's really hard to mess up your phone |
| 00:17.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | come here and everybody loves to help |
| 00:17.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | go PM and get lost |
| 00:18.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | woukd you trust a single unknown person? |
| 00:19.05 | vickyk73 | ok it sent me to this page : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 00:19.11 | vickyk73 | am i going right so far |
| 00:19.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 00:19.32 | vickyk73 | now what to do next |
| 00:19.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | read |
| 00:19.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~flash |
| 00:19.48 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:19.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | completely |
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| 00:20.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | don't flash VABNILLA |
| 00:21.12 | vickyk73 | i m lost |
| 00:21.18 | vickyk73 | what do i click on next |
| 00:21.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | have a linux PC at hand (windiowws is a PITA) |
| 00:22.13 | pigeon | is it known that |
| 00:22.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | or wait for help from other windoze users here |
| 00:22.38 | pigeon | is it known that the libsdl-mixer1.2 package is broken with 1.3 dependencies? |
| 00:22.47 | pigeon | when i install it, it wants to remove mp-fremantle-002-pr |
| 00:23.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | libsdl is borked since months |
| 00:23.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | starts to get epic |
| 00:23.52 | pigeon | oh |
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| 00:25.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | vickyk73: read abot ~flashing. reread. read again |
| 00:26.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | download flasher and images |
| 00:26.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | come here if problems |
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| 00:34.57 | vickyk73 | i have downloaded the flasher on my computer |
| 00:35.08 | vickyk73 | now i put imeli in the field |
| 00:35.37 | vickyk73 | and i m downloading the maemo 5 global release file |
| 00:35.47 | vickyk73 | am i doing everything correct so far? |
| 00:35.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:36.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 00:36.09 | vickyk73 | so what's gonna be the next step |
| 00:36.23 | vickyk73 | i m new to this so pls forgive me if i sound ignorant |
| 00:36.24 | DocScrutinizer | start flashing |
| 00:36.24 | vickyk73 | :) |
| 00:36.45 | Macer | hi |
| 00:36.46 | DocScrutinizer | of COMBINED |
| 00:37.04 | vickyk73 | so i double click on my pc |
| 00:37.15 | vickyk73 | or do i have to transfer the files on to the nokia n900 |
| 00:37.29 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 00:38.06 | DocScrutinizer | depending on what OS you use on your PC, you follow steps as described on |
| 00:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 00:38.09 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:38.12 | vickyk73 | xp |
| 00:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | linux is much easier to get it right, but xp should work afaik |
| 00:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | you need to become admin, or whatever that's called. start a admin commandshell |
| 00:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | then follow the steps as written in ~flashing |
| 00:40.18 | DocScrutinizer | it's all there |
| 00:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | just read a 4th time |
| 00:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | I know it's a mess |
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| 00:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | iirc something like shift-enter selecting "cmd" from menu is involved |
| 00:42.33 | DocScrutinizer | sorry no windows here since 15 years |
| 00:44.43 | DocScrutinizer | ignore shit, read "Updating or re-flashing the firmware using the Flasher" |
| 00:46.31 | DocScrutinizer | >>>Open the Command Prompt (Start then Run or Windows Logo key + R) and type cmd then press Enter |
| 00:47.48 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: you're still alive? |
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| 00:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | waves |
| 00:52.54 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: good luck |
| 00:57.25 | DocScrutinizer | (it's kinda annoying Nokia tailors things for windoze users instead of supporting linux geeks properly and trusting in linux community's abilities to set up proper windows interface and instructions) |
| 00:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | rather rotten kind of thinking |
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| 00:59.29 | mtnbkr | seems the WORLD caters to windows and windows users. :( |
| 00:59.46 | DocScrutinizer | "we're building a linux based phone, but our target customer profile is windows noobs" - W*T*F?? |
| 01:00.48 | mtnbkr | and here is the link to the sync_client.exe sigh |
| 01:00.51 | FauxFaux | Linux users capable of getting access to a windows machine or vm: 99%. Windows users capable of getting access to a linux vm: 0%. |
| 01:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | til now I've not seen a sible company succeed on this approach |
| 01:01.11 | DocScrutinizer | single* |
| 01:02.17 | krayon | DocScrutinizer: The android ones seem to be doing OK, but I guess they aren't specifically aiming for Windows noobs. |
| 01:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | FauxFaux: so this tells us what exactly? |
| 01:02.46 | FauxFaux | You lot need to quit whining. :) |
| 01:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | FauxFaux: I more feel like kicking |
| 01:03.23 | vickyk73 | sorry doc i was reading |
| 01:03.31 | vickyk73 | i m still here |
| 01:03.39 | vickyk73 | ok |
| 01:03.47 | vickyk73 | so i have downloaded both files on my pc |
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| 01:04.02 | vickyk73 | i double clicked on the flasher and installed it to my pc |
| 01:04.05 | rpgdude | does maemo have a keyring app? |
| 01:04.30 | vickyk73 | do i install the other file as well on my pc? |
| 01:05.14 | vickyk73 | well the other file is a .bin file and it will not install like the flasher |
| 01:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: nope |
| 01:05.21 | krayon | rpgdude: for what? |
| 01:05.33 | rpgdude | ssh keys |
| 01:05.51 | vickyk73 | so doc what do i do now |
| 01:06.04 | vickyk73 | i have the command prompt open now as well |
| 01:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: refer to ~flashing, the command there needs to be entered into this blacjk cmdshell window |
| 01:06.22 | rpgdude | somethign like gnome-keyring or kwallet |
| 01:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | command prompt is good |
| 01:06.30 | vickyk73 | so do i keep the phone still unplugged |
| 01:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:06.40 | vickyk73 | ok |
| 01:06.44 | vickyk73 | i want ur help |
| 01:06.47 | vickyk73 | as i go along |
| 01:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | despite what's written on wiki, you should start flasher cmdline now |
| 01:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 01:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | but make sure you got admin rights for that |
| 01:08.11 | DocScrutinizer | anybody to help me out on how to makes ure you got ""root"" on windows? |
| 01:08.45 | Shapeshifter | not sure if that's also applicable for xp, but in vista and later, you find cmd.exe, and do rightclick->run as administrator |
| 01:09.00 | rpgdude | the only thing i can find is keychain package |
| 01:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | YES!! |
| 01:09.20 | Shapeshifter | but I've heard of the shift-click thing |
| 01:09.30 | rpgdude | it doesn't look like in integrates with the desktop very well |
| 01:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | yeah - shift click, or shift enter, something |
| 01:09.59 | rpgdude | im just wondering if there is an easy/official way to get this working |
| 01:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: any command for cmd.exe to check if you're admin? |
| 01:10.43 | vickyk73 | doc it's asking me to press U on device when plugging in USB |
| 01:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | wait |
| 01:10.59 | vickyk73 | do i press U on my computer keyboard or on my phone keyboard |
| 01:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | no, on N900 |
| 01:11.12 | vickyk73 | cool |
| 01:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | or what's "sudo" for win-xp? |
| 01:12.47 | chx | DocScrutinizer: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294676 |
| 01:12.59 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: sorry, I got no f'ng clue about windows. I'm sure somebody else can walk you thru flashing easily, here |
| 01:13.07 | chx | DocScrutinizer: the command itself is called runas http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_security_runas_shortcut.mspx?mfr=true |
| 01:13.43 | vickyk73 | it says press u till windows installs the driver |
| 01:13.49 | vickyk73 | how long does it take |
| 01:13.56 | vickyk73 | and how will i know |
| 01:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | vickyk73: first start the cmdline like |
| 01:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 01:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | THEN plug in the N900 |
| 01:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | while holding 'u' (not exatly needed, but wn't hurt) |
| 01:15.20 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: i dunno |
| 01:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | flashing / flasher should start instantly |
| 01:15.58 | krayon | rpgdude: I have no idea sorry. The only thing I use for ssh keys is ssh-agent. |
| 01:16.08 | rpgdude | ok |
| 01:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | sighs and hands over the pilot seat to random anybody |
| 01:16.25 | rpgdude | how do i setup ssh-agent on the n900? |
| 01:16.39 | rpgdude | and how does it unlock the keyring, on boot? |
| 01:17.07 | DocScrutinizer | please help vickyk73 to flash his N900 to 1.3 |
| 01:17.45 | krayon | rpgdude: man ssh-agent. Basically you run ssh-agent and then you unlock/add the keys to it using ssh-add |
| 01:18.32 | vickyk73 | doc will eb back in 5 mins |
| 01:18.36 | vickyk73 | then m gonna flash |
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| 01:21.40 | krayon | Has anyone verified if new calendar entries' alarms still work with PR1.3? I read some people may be having issues. |
| 01:22.27 | krayon | I'm still after a way to elegantly back up/download OVI purchases. I'm interested what others use as a solution (maybe I'm the only one using OVI stuff :P) |
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| 01:28.59 | vickyk73 | i did excatly as u said |
| 01:29.17 | vickyk73 | and nothing is happening doc |
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| 01:29.43 | vickyk73 | doc u there? |
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| 01:32.20 | vickyk73 | hello |
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| 01:43.44 | rpgdude | when i add my key to the ssh-agent, it works, but only for that session |
| 01:43.45 | krayon | vickyk73: When you plugged it in, you were holding down 'u'? |
| 01:44.22 | rpgdude | if i start a new agent (or reboot) it doesnt remember the key i added |
| 01:44.52 | krayon | rpgdude: I capture the output of ssh-agent and source it for each shell. Basically you need the env variables, SSH_AUTH_SOCK and/or SSH_AGENT_PID |
| 01:45.53 | rpgdude | ah |
| 01:46.38 | rpgdude | i think you just need to start the ssh agent before X |
| 01:46.43 | rpgdude | i found this post |
| 01:46.55 | rpgdude | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=568438 |
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| 01:46.59 | krayon | rpgdude: That would work too presumably. |
| 01:47.27 | krayon | rpgdude: Effectively it's the same however, you just need those variables set, so that ssh knows the agent is running and how to talk to it. |
| 01:48.52 | rpgdude | yeah |
| 01:48.58 | rpgdude | thats not really my problem though |
| 01:49.10 | rpgdude | i want to unlock the key on login |
| 01:56.00 | rpgdude | i basically have to run ssh-add everytime i reboot my n900 |
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| 01:57.05 | krayon | rpgdude: Yep, you could maybe use something like zenity to GUI prompt on boot or something maybe. |
| 01:57.13 | SpeedEvil | rpgdude: you know you can set 'queen beecons' to run once on desktop start? |
| 01:57.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | really? |
| 01:57.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | isn't it 'per refresh' |
| 01:57.58 | SpeedEvil | yes - if that was to me. |
| 01:58.06 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 01:58.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems I really need some days off |
| 01:59.47 | SpeedEvil | update policy - at startup |
| 01:59.50 | SpeedEvil | is one option |
| 01:59.52 | SpeedEvil | there are many |
| 02:01.36 | rpgdude | well i will figure it out some other time, im going to bed |
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| 03:59.44 | Macer | ugh |
| 03:59.56 | Macer | this bt keyboard thing is becomming a pain in the ass |
| 04:00.04 | Macer | it works but not perfect and it's driving me nuts :) |
| 04:00.26 | Macer | like having to keep the phone open is a pain |
| 04:00.49 | Macer | been reading this huge thread trying to figure out how i can fi x it |
| 04:01.03 | Macer | according to the thread it should be working |
| 04:02.49 | Gorroth | raise your hand if you want ettercap on the n900, along with the squid package i'll be submitting soon |
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| 04:19.26 | Macer | hm |
| 04:19.37 | Macer | i'm about to go ghetto and use some sort of crond |
| 04:19.45 | Macer | and just have it run the kbd script once every minute |
| 04:19.46 | Macer | haha |
| 04:19.59 | Macer | talk about murdering a battery |
| 04:20.58 | Macer | i sure wish nokia included this bt hid support in m5 like it did in m4 |
| 04:21.10 | Macer | m4 was great for using bt keyboards.. what happened? |
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| 04:32.54 | pupnik_ | Macer: that is a vague question i think |
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| 04:35.44 | ebzzry | What's usually wrong when the N900 is connected OK to the access point, but hosts in the same subnet cannot ping it? |
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| 04:43.40 | pupnik_ | ebzzry: can n900 resolve other hostnames and connect to them? |
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| 04:53.59 | Macer | pupnik_: heh |
| 04:54.07 | Macer | just seems like a regression |
| 04:56.52 | chx | Gorroth: ettercap on the n900? |
| 04:56.55 | chx | Gorroth: huh |
| 04:57.08 | krayon | ebzzry: Are you sure you're connected correctly? |
| 04:57.39 | krayon | ebzzry: ifconfig to check. You might want to check your routing table and your resolv.conf too, for good measure. |
| 04:58.28 | Gorroth | chx: yeah, if i can get it to build |
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| 05:28.24 | pupnik_ | The "Robotron" hardware was a 1MHz 8-bit 6809 processor, with a custom image coprocessor also running at 1MHz. The amazing thing is this slow circuit had more image processing power than PCs until the early 90s. What made it so powerful was that the image coprocessor was one the first examples of what later became known as a bit blitter--popularized by the Amiga computer. In fact, several of the future designers of the Amiga, including RJ Mical, |
| 05:29.13 | SwedeMike | pupnik_: url? |
| 05:29.28 | pupnik_ | http://www.kvalda.com/bennington/public/Halcyon%20Days/BOOK/JARVIS.HTM |
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| 05:38.27 | krayon | ebzzry: oh, there's a few more boot vids btw, the .mp4 ones ;) |
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| 05:54.25 | Gorroth | building ettercap is a pita |
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| 06:23.04 | wazd | Moaning all :) |
| 06:23.32 | jase21 | Greetz |
| 06:23.35 | pupnik_ | hey wazd, a glorious day to be alive |
| 06:29.14 | wazd | Pupnik_: well, my application for irish visa is not such a big ocasion :D |
| 06:29.38 | wazd | Pupnik_: but definitely worth it :) |
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| 06:30.55 | jase21 | Any maemo specific news ? |
| 06:33.14 | pupnik_ | Mozilla Launches Firefox 4 Beta 2 For Android, Maemo |
| 06:34.54 | wazd | Oh, my roommate is freakin' oss lord :) |
| 06:36.15 | wazd | Frank Karlischek |
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| 06:38.36 | chx | wasnt that Frank Karlitschek? |
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| 06:52.49 | sampos | hello, i want to remove svn repo from the gmo project (using gitorious.org currently), anyone hear able to help me? |
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| 06:59.36 | wazd | Chx: maybe you're right :) |
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| 07:57.16 | wazd | Ok |
| 07:57.45 | wazd | Irish embassy wants to see my work in printed form |
| 07:58.40 | johnx | wazd, big old code printout? or print the graphics files as hex? |
| 07:59.18 | wazd | I don't give a damn :) |
| 08:00.09 | wazd | But I'm confused |
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| 08:00.30 | bef0rd | for the visa wazd? |
| 08:00.35 | wazd | Yes |
| 08:00.41 | bef0rd | jesus :/ |
| 08:01.06 | wazd | My reaction was like O_o |
| 08:03.28 | wazd | i wonder, if I was a freakin' string theory specialist, would they ask me bout my work |
| 08:05.03 | johnx | they'd asked to see printed examples of string theory |
| 08:05.34 | johnx | if you were a farmer, they'd ask for printed examples of your livestock |
| 08:05.34 | wazd | Johnx: bingo |
| 08:05.46 | wazd | :D |
| 08:05.49 | johnx | if you were a porn star ... |
| 08:06.31 | johnx | they have these nice big filing cabinets, so they need something to fill them with that makes them feel like 'due diligence' has been done |
| 08:06.48 | wazd | Bloody irish... |
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| 08:56.10 | RobbieThe1st | Is anyone alive on here? |
| 08:56.32 | johnx | is that a trick question? |
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| 09:05.11 | ieatlint | i'm alive and even sober |
| 09:06.16 | zlimvos | heya all. what is the 'osso-' I see in front of hundreds of packages in the n900? |
| 09:07.08 | johnx | open source software ... ocelot |
| 09:07.56 | MohammadAG51 | open source software operations |
| 09:08.08 | MohammadAG51 | most osso- packages are closed |
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| 09:09.45 | ieatlint | lol |
| 09:10.09 | zlimvos | mohammad: closed? like discontinued? |
| 09:10.21 | MohammadAG51 | no, like closed source |
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| 09:10.50 | ieatlint | i believe most of the osso stuff is parts of the hildon ui |
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| 09:11.10 | MohammadAG51 | well, not most of them |
| 09:11.13 | MohammadAG51 | hildon is open |
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| 09:11.34 | ieatlint | well, i'm often wrong :P |
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| 09:12.34 | zlimvos | thanks both :) |
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| 09:30.15 | RobbieThe1st | Anyone here have SSH and usb networking working? |
| 09:30.36 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 09:31.02 | RobbieThe1st | Might you be willing to test something for me in a bit? |
| 09:31.51 | ieatlint | i should be available to |
| 09:32.24 | RobbieThe1st | Great. But, not quite yet - I still have a couple bugs to be worked out. |
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| 09:43.52 | fish_sticks | can anyone tell me if I can play movies on my N900 by not copying them into it.use ssh or something to get it from my PC using wifi? |
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| 09:45.56 | ieatlint | fish_sticks: yes, it's possible... although over ssh is not the best solution |
| 09:46.07 | fish_sticks | ieatlint: how can I do that then? |
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| 09:46.33 | ieatlint | simplest is using a dlna/upnp server/client ... as i recall, there's at least one client in the extras repos |
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| 09:46.47 | ieatlint | forget its name... and it won't be very reliable, or work with all kinds of video |
| 09:46.55 | fish_sticks | ieatlint: can you tell me a bit more? |
| 09:47.07 | SwedeMike | FireFly|n900: I usually just copy them over usb. |
| 09:47.21 | SwedeMike | FireFly|n900: put the n900 in mass storage mode and copy it from the pc |
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| 09:48.23 | ieatlint | uh, i'll take a quick look for the client i'm thinking off... it may have a getting started guide for you, but i'm afraid i can't walk you through it |
| 09:48.33 | fish_sticks | thats okay |
| 09:48.40 | fish_sticks | just give me a name.I'll figure it out myself |
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| 09:49.20 | ieatlint | actually, i'm suddenly remembering... isn't the built in media player on the n900 a dlna client? |
| 09:49.40 | fish_sticks | thats what a forum just said |
| 09:49.43 | X-Fade | ieatlint: yes, it is. |
| 09:49.53 | ieatlint | hah |
| 09:49.57 | fish_sticks | so how do I link my PC in that? |
| 09:50.02 | ieatlint | fish_sticks: go look at mediatomb |
| 09:50.02 | X-Fade | dlna servers show up on the main screen of mediaplayer. |
| 09:50.10 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 09:50.10 | ieatlint | although there are several different dlna servers |
| 09:50.18 | ieatlint | and mediatomb may not be best for you |
| 09:50.22 | fish_sticks | so I need to setup the server on my PC? |
| 09:50.37 | X-Fade | windows mediaplayer works also as dlna server. |
| 09:50.42 | fish_sticks | on linux |
| 09:50.44 | fish_sticks | ubuntu actually |
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| 09:51.19 | X-Fade | mediatomb, rygel. |
| 09:51.55 | fish_sticks | these are the clients for linux? |
| 09:51.57 | fish_sticks | X-Fade: |
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| 09:52.06 | ieatlint | mediatomb is a server |
| 09:52.14 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 09:52.23 | ieatlint | twonky is another one (although i think it's closed source/commercial) |
| 09:52.35 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 09:52.41 | fish_sticks | I'll try out mediatomb |
| 09:52.54 | fish_sticks | but you were telling me it doesnt support much? |
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| 09:54.01 | ieatlint | well, it's at the mercy of what codecs and videos the n900 can play, and at the mercy of any wifi hiccups or other issues... also, don't expect it to support tracking (fast forward, reverse, jumping to a new time index) much |
| 09:54.33 | fish_sticks | okay |
| 09:54.36 | ieatlint | and of course, the video needs to have a small enough resolution/bitrate that the n900 can manage to play it smoothly |
| 09:54.47 | fish_sticks | got it |
| 09:54.55 | ieatlint | other options include trying to do an nfs mount :P |
| 09:55.08 | ieatlint | or potentially samba/sshfs |
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| 09:56.09 | fish_sticks | nfs mount? ouch |
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| 09:56.40 | fish_sticks | mediatomb gave me this ip for the ui |
| 09:56.50 | SwedeMike | for recoding stuff for n900 I've successfully used "tablet-encode" which does things with mencoder quite nicely. |
| 09:56.53 | fish_sticks | but didnt get anything when I ran that on the N900 |
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| 09:57.12 | crashanddie_ | fish_sticks, mediatomb's IP detection is fail |
| 09:57.25 | fish_sticks | meaning? |
| 09:57.28 | crashanddie_ | fish_sticks, what IP did it give? |
| 09:57.43 | ilius | is backup-menu dangerous? |
| 09:57.52 | fish_sticks | crashanddie_: local ip |
| 09:57.55 | fish_sticks | http://192.168.0.148:49153/ |
| 09:58.08 | RobbieThe1st | Current version? About as much as any other program that messes with system files |
| 09:58.08 | fish_sticks | its coming on the PC where I created it |
| 09:58.10 | crashanddie_ | fish_sticks, can you ping that IP from the N900? |
| 09:58.15 | fish_sticks | trying |
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| 09:58.28 | crashanddie_ | ilius, it used to be, I wouldn't trust it. |
| 09:58.34 | ieatlint | note that you don't enter the ip into the n900... the media player will just broadcast on your lan for any dlna servers automatically |
| 09:58.49 | fish_sticks | didnt get you |
| 09:59.04 | RobbieThe1st | To be fair though, I removed all the bits that certain people complained(for good reason) about |
| 09:59.23 | crashanddie_ | RobbieThe1st, they weren't complaints |
| 09:59.28 | crashanddie_ | it bricked devices. |
| 09:59.30 | ilius | crashanddie_: is there a stable backup tool? |
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| 09:59.44 | crashanddie_ | ilius, for backing what up? |
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| 10:00.11 | ilius | osso-backup does not detect my card |
| 10:00.26 | ilius | crashanddie_: rootfs |
| 10:00.51 | ilius | crashanddie_: and opt |
| 10:01.16 | RobbieThe1st | Either way, the thing is, -now- it's fixed(hopefully to the satisfaction of everyone involved), and does it's job -properly-. Backups seem to work cross-n900 like they should, and everything's fine |
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| 10:01.58 | crashanddie_ | its** |
| 10:01.58 | fish_sticks | crashanddie_: i can ping into it |
| 10:02.17 | crashanddie_ | fish_sticks, then just open media player, and ensure that MDTB is broadcasting |
| 10:02.26 | fish_sticks | checking |
| 10:02.47 | RobbieThe1st | Also, that's the thing - I invented backupmenu(the first version) because there was -nothing- else that'd do the same job. It's still the only thing that's out there, other than a couple of cludgy SSH backup scripts |
| 10:03.14 | fish_sticks | crashanddie_: MDTB broadcasting meaning? |
| 10:03.27 | fish_sticks | what do I do inside media player?videos? |
| 10:03.27 | crashanddie_ | mediatomb |
| 10:03.50 | fish_sticks | how do I do that? |
| 10:05.09 | RobbieThe1st | Either way, to be -perfectly- safe, you can just backup with BackupMenu, then restore with whatever you want: the backups are straight tar files now. As nothing gets written, there should be no chance of breaking things |
| 10:06.06 | fish_sticks | crashanddie_: do I do that using the ui from that ip? |
| 10:06.44 | ilius | what do you recommend for backing up rootfs and optfs? |
| 10:11.40 | WakiMiko | i am trying to create a symlink in the mydocs folder, but it doesnt work. is that because of the filesystem? |
| 10:11.59 | RobbieThe1st | Yea - fat32 doesn't support symlinks, IIRC |
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| 10:12.47 | WakiMiko | is it possible to change the fs to something more unixy or would that fuck too much up? |
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| 10:13.59 | ilius1 | RobbieThe1st: what options is there for restoring that archives except using backup-menu? |
| 10:14.00 | X-Fade | WakiMiko: You can, but then usb mass storage won't work as expected. |
| 10:14.01 | RobbieThe1st | WakiMiko: In theory, yes, but you'd probably have to edit a few scripts. Look around, I'm sure someone's done it |
| 10:14.57 | WakiMiko | thx i will look into it |
| 10:16.05 | RobbieThe1st | ilius1: http://wiki.maemo.org/Manual_backup_and_restore is probably your best bet, along with http://metalab.at/wiki/Hack-A-N900/Usb_Recovery_Mode#Boot_into_recovery_mode |
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| 10:16.33 | RobbieThe1st | Though, I think you are going to have a tough time of it either way, -if- you can even figure out a way to restore your stuff. |
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| 10:53.04 | crashanddie_ | ~ping |
| 10:53.04 | infobot | ~pong |
| 10:53.42 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: is it possible to apply changes (from a backup archive) to flasher image (like RX... .bin) to restore with flasher? |
| 10:54.45 | RobbieThe1st | Yes and no. No, you can't edit the RX....bin, or at least not easily. However, you don't have to - You can use the -r option of flasher to specify a rootfs image directly |
| 10:55.30 | RobbieThe1st | If you have a tar file of your rootfs, you can make that into a flashable image by following the instructions here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 (halfway down the page) |
| 10:55.56 | RobbieThe1st | Note that it requires a Linux PC, or at least your N900 and mtd-utils from extras-devel/testing |
| 10:57.24 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:57.32 | Jaffa | MohammadAG51: Correct. My initials ;-) |
| 10:57.37 | crashanddie_ | morning Jaffa |
| 10:57.38 | RobbieThe1st | Also, just incase you might be thinking about it, -don't- use DD to make an image of the rootfs. Yes, it will flash and (usually) boot, but it can also brick n900s. |
| 10:57.57 | crashanddie_ | s/can/will/ |
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| 11:00.05 | RobbieThe1st | Whatever - Mine isn't bricked(yet), and I know a number of people - against my wishes, mind you - who are still using that method and risking bricking. But what can I do? |
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| 11:05.45 | RobbieThe1st | <rant>So, I build a system that works. I learn months later that it can/does cause problems. I work on, and finally come up with a solution, and I'm -still- getting flack over my previous system. </rant> |
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| 11:09.57 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: does the tar file contain opt directory? and does flasher copy it after mapping /opt? |
| 11:10.25 | RobbieThe1st | No, and that's your other problem |
| 11:10.44 | RobbieThe1st | Also, you can't boot the entire OS without some files in /opt |
| 11:11.10 | ilius | :( |
| 11:11.11 | crashanddie_ | yeah, RobbieThe1st, you bricked fucking devices |
| 11:11.17 | crashanddie_ | that's device with a plural s |
| 11:11.18 | RobbieThe1st | The orig. rootfs seems to have a compressed version of all /opt files and a "first run" script which extracts, and then deletes them |
| 11:11.41 | RobbieThe1st | crashanddie_: And I still don't know who these supposed bricked people are! |
| 11:12.11 | crashanddie_ | you are not entitled to rant, you are entitled to shut the fuck up, and not try to make things sound like they weren't bad. You uncovered a major issue, and made it clear as day: so thanks for that. |
| 11:12.44 | crashanddie_ | you fixed your mistake, and trust me, we _are_ grateful for your reactivity in that matter |
| 11:13.29 | crashanddie_ | But don't feel insulted when people don't trust your applications. |
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| 11:15.38 | RobbieThe1st | The only thing I'm upset about is that you, personally, warned someone off, even -knowing- that the issue caused before was fixed. It's one thing to talk about bugs, or current problems... But basing an argument on something you know not to be true? Yea, it does upset me a little. |
| 11:16.27 | RobbieThe1st | Now, that may have come off a little harsh, and if so I apologize, but... |
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| 11:17.54 | MohammadAG51 | RobbieThe1st, one of those people is me |
| 11:18.17 | RobbieThe1st | I thought you got it going again? |
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| 11:18.36 | MohammadAG51 | i did, but it wasn't something the average noob can do |
| 11:18.40 | ilius | confused |
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| 11:19.08 | MohammadAG51 | a normal person isn't expected to have ubuntu and a custom kernel to ignore mtds at bootup |
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| 11:19.25 | MohammadAG51 | (and mtd-utils to wipe his NAND) |
| 11:19.52 | pigeon | hmm |
| 11:19.55 | MohammadAG51 | now, I would test your app, but i have too many things to restore in case it doesn't work |
| 11:20.10 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: About 6 months ago, I released an application that used DD to backup and restore system images. The rootfs, I learned later, ends up backing up with bad blocks on it, and the restore screws things up due to that |
| 11:20.31 | MohammadAG51 | RobbieThe1st, you can keep dd for /opt |
| 11:20.35 | MohammadAG51 | well, /home |
| 11:21.14 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, I could - I ended up using tar for both though, and it seems to be a better solution anyway |
| 11:21.33 | pigeon | not sure if it's a 1.3 thing, but i just notice my n900 keyboard light is always on, even when it's closed, or the screen is locked. |
| 11:21.58 | pigeon | or at least, the left and right lights of the keyboard |
| 11:22.10 | pigeon | when i open the keyboard, those in the middles are on too. |
| 11:22.17 | chem|st | pigeon: erhm wtf? |
| 11:22.29 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: Three months ago, I get an email from Andrew on the council telling me that my app's bricking people's n900s. Up until that point, I had no clue that it did anything worse than not restore right for some people. I came in here, and learned how, why, and what not to do. |
| 11:22.45 | pigeon | oh wait, could it be because i have turned on some rd flags? |
| 11:22.59 | lcuk | yes |
| 11:23.10 | chem|st | pigeon: what I had last night was that the screen did not lock when I just opened and closed the slide from locked state |
| 11:23.21 | chem|st | pigeon: yes |
| 11:23.34 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: I then spent a month or so fixing things, and came out with a new version that was "safer", better, and -seems- to work for -all- n900s, no issues, and have spent the last couple months working on and improving that. So there's my story |
| 11:23.34 | pigeon | ah right, my fault then, i switched on some rd mode flags while trying to rescue my half pr1.3 upgrade. |
| 11:23.38 | chem|st | pigeon: thats an rd indicator now you mention it |
| 11:23.42 | pigeon | kicks myself a bit. |
| 11:23.44 | pigeon | thanks. |
| 11:24.37 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: hmmm |
| 11:24.40 | chem|st | I'd like to have a keyboard VUmeter... :( |
| 11:24.56 | lcuk | chem|st, speak to MohammadAG51 |
| 11:25.04 | pigeon | i couldn't free up enough disk space for ota upgrade, so i manually aptitude install (upgrade) some (big) packages, until it thinks it doesn't need as much. |
| 11:25.11 | chem|st | lcuk: thought it did not work that well... |
| 11:25.29 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: does your kbd-VUmeter finally work? |
| 11:25.32 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG51: Since you know such things, I've got a question for you - I've been rebooting my n900 from the terminal with 'reboot'. One day, out of the blue, it won't boot anymore - reboot loop. It turns out optfs got partially corrupted, and the files that got restored were tracker/thumbnailer files. |
| 11:25.41 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: thank you :) |
| 11:25.48 | RobbieThe1st | MohammadAG51: Any idea -why- this might have happened? |
| 11:25.52 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: NP. |
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| 11:26.04 | SpeedEvil | Does reboot reboot immediately? |
| 11:26.32 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: anything corrupting the files preventing tracker to start turns in to reboot |
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| 11:26.54 | RobbieThe1st | Well, yea, I know - but what caused the corruption in the first place? |
| 11:27.23 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: what did you do before that? |
| 11:27.25 | SpeedEvil | Does reboot reboot immediateely? |
| 11:27.27 | RobbieThe1st | I -thought- reboot would reboot after making everything quit, do a sync, then close the FS properly. |
| 11:27.30 | ilius | oh i used reboot many times!!! i will never use it then |
| 11:27.40 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 11:27.46 | SpeedEvil | Or does it take a large fraction of a minute |
| 11:28.10 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: well, depends on tasks to stop as on any system |
| 11:28.15 | RobbieThe1st | The same thing I did on the last 10 reboots that day; connect to usb, copy a couple files over, disconnect, open the terminal, copy those files to rootfs, reboot |
| 11:28.28 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: it is not a reset button command |
| 11:28.38 | RobbieThe1st | I'd been doing that for a couple of months, literally, no issues. |
| 11:29.19 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: that makes me think of sending reset button events is not a system call it is direct hardware at desktops |
| 11:29.45 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: windows? |
| 11:29.56 | SpeedEvil | Yeah - if it's actually just immediately uncleanly rebooting the device, that can corrupt files. |
| 11:30.24 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: afaik there is nothing like a software reset button |
| 11:30.36 | RobbieThe1st | chem|st: ? |
| 11:31.24 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: i killed several pendrives or the second and third not I killed but nvm, because of unplugging while in use |
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| 11:32.00 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: unsync device unplugged can cause trouble |
| 11:32.19 | chem|st | windows or linux does not matter |
| 11:32.35 | chem|st | even if you did not write to that file |
| 11:32.50 | RobbieThe1st | But wait... optfs isn't mountable |
| 11:33.14 | RobbieThe1st | myDocs was what I mounted via usb, and I unmounted it before unplugging the usb |
| 11:33.40 | RobbieThe1st | myDocs corruption... Yea, that'd be understandable. But OptFS corruption? |
| 11:33.55 | chem|st | where is optfs |
| 11:34.27 | SpeedEvil | If you actually power off while the MMC is in the process of a write, unexpected things can happen. |
| 11:34.41 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 11:34.42 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: and it does not matter |
| 11:34.47 | SpeedEvil | I would not expect cross-filesystem corruption usually |
| 11:35.13 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I have corrupted /rootfs on my desktop every now and then after booting into windows |
| 11:35.14 | SpeedEvil | Just unplugging while writing to mydocs via USB should do nothing |
| 11:35.20 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I do |
| 11:35.31 | SpeedEvil | It may corrupt the mydocs FS - sure. |
| 11:35.40 | SpeedEvil | But nothing else. |
| 11:35.54 | RobbieThe1st | I'm more wondering what (glitch) caused it? Is it some random glitch, or, like, reboot not unmounting disks before shutdown..? |
| 11:36.00 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: as I jsut said ^^ |
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| 11:37.05 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: oh that might be an issue, if the reboot does do something like locking partition table and you wrote it anyways |
| 11:37.07 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: I don't see how. |
| 11:37.58 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I do not either, it is windows I expect anything but not that it touches an off limits filesystem without any reason |
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| 11:38.54 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: and you don't know what any random stupid-head thought while coding handler exceptions for usb devices |
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| 11:40.13 | RobbieThe1st | Ok, so there's no real consensus on what caused it; I'll chalk it up to cosmic rays unless I see a repeat |
| 11:40.31 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: If it can, it's clearly a bug. |
| 11:40.44 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: why backup-menu is still in extras-devel and doed not go to extras-testing? |
| 11:40.47 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: that is - any external device write outside the allocated FS |
| 11:41.07 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: MS Windows is a bug! |
| 11:41.19 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: If you check the topic, I've been adding extra features, improving the "surrounding" code and such every few days |
| 11:41.26 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: that is quite irrelevant. |
| 11:41.28 | RobbieThe1st | I just uploaded a new version an hour ago |
| 11:41.42 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: the issue is if windows can have any access to /home |
| 11:41.52 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: absenting a bug on the n900 side, it can't. |
| 11:42.04 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: true |
| 11:42.11 | RobbieThe1st | Next question: I'm running from a ramdisk, the rootfs, optfs and all other FS's are unmounted. I can use the g_file_storage module to provide USB access to the Optfs, MyDocs and SD card. Any way to use it to give access to the Rootfs? |
| 11:42.20 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: at least one stable version should be exist in extra-testing |
| 11:42.23 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: Another issue might be if tracker will ever not shutdown cleanly if it happens to write from files. |
| 11:42.35 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: if it happens to be writing files. |
| 11:42.56 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: does it ever shutdown in an inconsistent state, leading to not being recoverable. |
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| 11:43.39 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: Yes, it should, but I haven't been happy with it until about now. Things didn't -quite- work(non backup stuff almost always). If this version works out, it may very well go into extras-testing |
| 11:43.58 | RobbieThe1st | SpeedEvil: Damn that stupid tracker! |
| 11:44.00 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I have no idea what could cause that but I know that windows does evil things to my ext partitions when I am not looking! funny is that I was not able to reboot from linux to windows or the way back for a long time, system crashed in both ways... windows bluescreened and linux panic'ed |
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| 11:44.55 | RobbieThe1st | chem|st: That actually happened to me once - I had a linux install, a windows install... I used my windows install constantly, tried to boot up my linux install a month or two later and got kernel panic. |
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| 11:45.38 | fish_sticks | thanks guys.Mediatomb worked.streaming issues though. |
| 11:47.06 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: I learned that both systems used to leave stuff in ram and that my motherboard does not flash it on reboot (feature!!!!) |
| 11:47.35 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: this is irrelevant - windows does not have access to the /home/ block device. It is not able to access it at all when plugged in via USB unless you do something strange. |
| 11:47.39 | RobbieThe1st | Huh; so doing a cold-boot would fix the problem? |
| 11:47.51 | chem|st | hibernate is another evil thing |
| 11:48.12 | RobbieThe1st | SpeedEvil: More than that, I'm using Linux on my desktop, -and- it's not even accessible there |
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| 11:48.36 | RobbieThe1st | Because it's mounted by maemo, for one |
| 11:48.41 | chem|st | RobbieThe1st: cold boot did fix it for my desktop |
| 11:49.16 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I know but it is the same hardware device |
| 11:49.22 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: no, it's not. |
| 11:49.33 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: Windows is not exposed to the hardware. |
| 11:49.53 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: Windows is exposed to a fake block device that the linux kernel maps onto the real block device. |
| 11:49.56 | ilius | chem|st: never mount linux important partitions in windows as rw |
| 11:49.56 | ilius | chem|st: use ext2fsd in read-only |
| 11:50.06 | chem|st | ok so where does windows get the partition table from? |
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| 11:50.12 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: it's fake |
| 11:50.40 | chem|st | ilius: never mounted my / to windows |
| 11:50.59 | RobbieThe1st | ilius: I'd say the same thing vice-versa; even though there -is- good write-support on Linux for NTFS, after a few months you will end up with a fragmented, un-defragmentable NTFS volume. |
| 11:51.04 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: it is so fake that windows cannot write it? |
| 11:51.17 | RobbieThe1st | (Security descriptors get shoved after every file, and defrag won't move em) |
| 11:51.43 | SpeedEvil | Actually - no. |
| 11:51.48 | SpeedEvil | there is no filesystem |
| 11:51.50 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:51.53 | chem|st | ilius: I mount a single patition with ext3 on both sides and thats it |
| 11:51.55 | SpeedEvil | there is no partition table |
| 11:52.09 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
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| 11:52.37 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:53.02 | SpeedEvil | ok - nvm - I got a error |
| 11:53.07 | SpeedEvil | So I can't check |
| 11:53.24 | SpeedEvil | but fdisk -l /dev/whatever on the desktop when in mass storage mode. |
| 11:53.35 | SpeedEvil | It's not the real partition table |
| 11:53.53 | ilius | reboot for testing backup-menu |
| 11:54.02 | RobbieThe1st | Keyboard open, mind |
| 11:54.06 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: I know that it is an looped/extraced whatever |
| 11:54.44 | RobbieThe1st | Well, I've got to go. I'll talk to you guys tomorrow. |
| 11:55.05 | RobbieThe1st | Gees, I've been up for an hour more than I should. Talking to you guys is interesting, to say the least. |
| 11:56.09 | SpeedEvil | :wave |
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| 12:18.45 | ilius | how ro run backup-manu (instead of booting) without connecting to PC? |
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| 12:22.43 | ilius | RobbieThe1st: how ro run backup-manu (instead of booting) without connecting to PC? |
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| 13:13.16 | ilius | # mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /card |
| 13:13.16 | ilius | mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /card failed: Invalid argument |
| 13:13.33 | ilius | what is this damn error? |
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| 13:13.44 | SpeedEvil | does /card exist |
| 13:13.56 | ilius | yes |
| 13:14.33 | SpeedEvil | Is mmcblk1p1 listed in /proc/partitions? |
| 13:14.46 | ilius | yes |
| 13:14.48 | alterego | SpeedEvil: yes |
| 13:15.01 | alterego | oh wait, you're troubleshooting ;) |
| 13:17.32 | ilius | ~ping |
| 13:17.32 | infobot | ~pong |
| 13:18.02 | SpeedEvil | ilius: You're sure it's a valid filesystem? |
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| 13:19.10 | ilius | SpeedEvil: backup-menu did mount it |
| 13:19.28 | ilius | SpeedEvil: and myself in linux pc |
| 13:20.27 | SpeedEvil | Odd. |
| 13:20.36 | SpeedEvil | I see the same result, and am unsure why |
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| 13:21.18 | ilius | SpeedEvil: and the error is silly |
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| 13:21.54 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 13:22.08 | SpeedEvil | I had to explicitly specify FS type |
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| 13:22.54 | SpeedEvil | mount /dev/... /card -t ext2 works fin |
| 13:22.56 | ilius | oh yes |
| 13:23.17 | ilius | mount /dev/mmcblk1p1 /card -t vfat |
| 13:23.25 | ilius | works |
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| 13:25.53 | alterego | btw, this is probably the best command for normalized mount points: cat /proc/mounts | awk '{print $1 " " $2}' |
| 13:26.34 | alterego | Though, you could replace cat /proc/mounts with just mount |
| 13:27.08 | alterego | but then you'd need $3 instead of $2 |
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| 13:30.54 | ilius | alterego: thanks |
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| 13:34.00 | ilius | SpeedEvil: how you was using sd card? |
| 13:34.51 | ilius | SpeedEvil: it says to me: memory card format unsupported |
| 13:35.54 | SpeedEvil | I wasn't really - it's only a gig - I had it setup as swap |
| 13:36.45 | ilius | SpeedEvil: hmmm |
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| 13:40.56 | X-Fade | Lol, listening to an mp3 stream over wifi with nokia charger attached uses more power than it charges. |
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| 13:42.02 | SpeedEvil | With the screen on? |
| 13:42.03 | ccooke | X-Fade: you probably have something installed that's eating CPU |
| 13:42.08 | SpeedEvil | I can believe that. |
| 13:42.09 | SpeedEvil | oh |
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| 13:42.11 | SpeedEvil | wall charger |
| 13:42.13 | SpeedEvil | shouldn't |
| 13:42.22 | SpeedEvil | USB - yes - with screen at brightest |
| 13:42.26 | ccooke | it's definitely possible to use more power than the wall charger supplies |
| 13:42.28 | SpeedEvil | sure you're on wifi not 3g? |
| 13:43.16 | X-Fade | Yeah, weird. I listened to stream for a while the battery went down to 30%, connected charger and after an hour orso it is at 19%. |
| 13:43.31 | ccooke | (3.5G internet, providing access to the net for four laptops via wifi, while taking a picture every 15 seconds *with the screen on*, for instance. |
| 13:43.36 | lcuk | X-Fade, screen lit up like a christmas tree? |
| 13:43.49 | X-Fade | lcuk: Of course. I need to see the song titles :) |
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| 13:43.52 | lcuk | ie: turn brightness down or off if you arent using it :P |
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| 13:44.13 | lcuk | X-Fade, of course you might have other things happening |
| 13:44.18 | X-Fade | Well it is nice and hot. |
| 13:44.22 | lcuk | cos i run lots whilst in from usb only |
| 13:44.27 | korhojoa | huh |
| 13:44.39 | korhojoa | i had my phone plugged in overnight to charge |
| 13:44.52 | korhojoa | and i wondered why it was dead and empty in the morning |
| 13:45.14 | korhojoa | turns out that damn thumbnailer had pegged io and cpu at 100 again |
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| 13:47.37 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, is the N900 aimed for 2010 or 2011? |
| 13:47.47 | Appiah | ? |
| 13:48.11 | kerio | MohammadAG51: depends on how fast you throw it |
| 13:48.41 | MohammadAG51 | err, N9 |
| 13:48.43 | lcuk | what is the point in having a flux capacitor in hardware if theres no damned linux driver to use it \@/ |
| 13:49.09 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, 2011, now, apparently. |
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| 13:49.35 | GAN900 | Nokia's continued competence with release targets continues to amaze. |
| 13:49.46 | kerio | 2010 is not over yet! |
| 13:49.49 | ajf_ | I'm looking on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, but I can't see a UK version of PR 1.3.. has one been released yet? |
| 13:49.50 | MohammadAG51 | GAN900, which quarter? |
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| 13:49.59 | MohammadAG51 | ajf_, no, flash global |
| 13:50.08 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, who knows. |
| 13:50.21 | GAN900 | kerio, new CEO says it's a 2011 product. |
| 13:50.33 | GAN900 | So, probably Q4 |
| 13:50.33 | kerio | what the hell does the CEO know about |
| 13:50.51 | Appiah | money? |
| 13:50.58 | kerio | N9 != money |
| 13:51.02 | GAN900 | Since we want to make sure all of the existing contributors are burnt out by the time we release. |
| 13:51.09 | Appiah | N9 wont make any money for Nokia? oh my |
| 13:51.17 | kerio | the N9 *isn't* money |
| 13:51.20 | ajf_ | thanks MohammadAG51, is there any important difference in the UK release |
| 13:51.25 | kerio | because it's a phone |
| 13:51.25 | GAN900 | No dirty Maemo shit on our MeeGo. |
| 13:51.37 | MohammadAG51 | ajf_, nope, other than being a UK release |
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| 13:52.19 | MohammadAG51 | GAN900, ha |
| 13:53.40 | kerio | GAN900: so meego is not going to use busybox? :DDDDDDDDDD |
| 13:53.44 | MohammadAG51 | someone (or two) are thinking of getting an N900 |
| 13:54.23 | GAN900 | kerio, busybox has nothing to do with Maemo. |
| 13:54.38 | kerio | busybox is part of maemo *and* shit |
| 13:54.41 | kerio | it qualifies |
| 13:55.01 | alterego | I wonder if he really means that or thinks Harmatten is different |
| 13:55.42 | alterego | Harmattan even .. |
| 13:56.09 | kerio | i really mean that? |
| 13:56.14 | kerio | of course i do |
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| 13:56.23 | kerio | busybox is shit |
| 13:57.08 | _chun | Hi there; trying to get wireshark working on my n900. I've set wlan0 to monitor mode with iwconfig, but it doesn't seem to be picking up a lot of traffic ... any tips?# |
| 13:57.34 | GAN900 | Harmattan has nothing to do with MeeGo! |
| 13:57.49 | alterego | GAN900: exactly, and isn't that the N9? |
| 13:58.01 | alterego | N910 then? :D |
| 13:58.12 | GAN900 | Harmattan is completely new and unrelated to any previous efforts by Nokia or any other company. |
| 13:58.33 | alterego | It's built on maemo |
| 13:58.37 | GAN900 | It's also a revolution |
| 13:58.40 | GAN900 | Lies. |
| 13:58.47 | GAN900 | Nokia is so suing you |
| 13:58.53 | alterego | Completely new ux based on Qt and MTF :P |
| 13:59.05 | GAN900 | Also: Qt kernel. |
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| 13:59.53 | alterego | It's the OS Chuck Norris uses in his anal dildo range |
| 13:59.56 | kerio | Qt - reimplementing the implemented! |
| 14:00.29 | alterego | I tested my FFT implementation today using audacity to test frequency accuracy |
| 14:00.52 | alterego | deafened my self in my left ear because my volume was on full and I had that head phone in. |
| 14:01.10 | alterego | On the plus side, I'm about 1hz out |
| 14:01.11 | GAN900 | Ouch |
| 14:01.23 | Jartza | hmmh |
| 14:01.31 | Jartza | another strange thing |
| 14:01.45 | alterego | So I should be able to use that code to tune my guitar now ^.^ |
| 14:01.58 | Jartza | my wifi-indicator keeps on "blinking" although wifi is connected and working fine |
| 14:02.08 | alterego | And I'll then use it to write my guitar tuner app :D |
| 14:02.25 | Jartza | only the indicator indicates that it's still "connecting" |
| 14:03.42 | alterego | bbl |
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| 14:15.17 | [PG]Aex | Elo, anyone here? |
| 14:16.26 | tybollt | nope, noone here |
| 14:16.34 | [PG]Aex | -.- |
| 14:18.53 | [PG]Aex | Found this thingie "Java now available on the N900 via the icedTea6 version of OpenJDK(tm) in extras. Check your Application Manager for "icedTea6" to install." but can't find it in the app manager, got any clue why? |
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| 14:19.15 | chem|st | kerio: if there is a N9 this year it wont get meego! so if n8 is the last nseries dev with symbian I am wondering what n9 would get if prepped for this year |
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| 14:19.43 | cehteh | android :P |
| 14:19.57 | cehteh | windows 7 mobile! |
| 14:20.11 | pw | yeah! |
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| 14:21.58 | GAN900 | They're probably delaying so they can port Android. |
| 14:22.58 | lcuk | i see you are in a wonderfully happy mood today GAN900. did local mcdonalds run out of happy meals? |
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| 14:23.20 | GAN900 | MeeGo conference is just an excuse to round us all up. :P |
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| 14:23.45 | lardman|home | afternoon all |
| 14:23.53 | psycho_oreos | not all of us, just the ones interested in meego development |
| 14:23.56 | chem|st | GAN900: there will be bulk execution near the fence in dub... |
| 14:24.48 | GAN900 | chem|st, nah, they're gonna make us write Symbian^4 apps Clockwork Orange-style. |
| 14:25.11 | [PG]Aex | So anyone else able to find this IcedTea6 in their app manager? |
| 14:25.18 | chem|st | GAN900: no develop meego 1.2 in 4 days |
| 14:25.35 | chem|st | to release n9 right after the brake |
| 14:25.58 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: I do not even want to |
| 14:26.10 | [PG]Aex | ;< Need java |
| 14:26.22 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: have you turned on devel testing or just extras? |
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| 14:27.37 | [PG]Aex | Whats that? (complete scrub) |
| 14:27.44 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/icedtea6/ |
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| 14:28.35 | khertan | Hello all ! |
| 14:28.55 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: would you mind to search for something? I entered icedtea and klicked ok button and the only search result was this package! |
| 14:29.35 | [PG]Aex | Well found this "Java now available on the N900 via the icedTea6 version of OpenJDK(tm) in extras. Check your Application Manager for "icedTea6" to install. " |
| 14:29.40 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: use your n900 to open the link and press the install button |
| 14:29.42 | [PG]Aex | so figure it'll be in there |
| 14:29.52 | [PG]Aex | but yeah, cheers mon |
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| 14:31.05 | MohammadAG | what's the best sound recording app? |
| 14:31.08 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: go HAM->Download->All and start typing iced... and it will show up if you setup the maemo.org repositroy |
| 14:31.32 | chem|st | MohammadAG: internal or mic? |
| 14:31.55 | [PG]Aex | yeah thats what i did but didn't show up, so went to my browser and entered the link you sent insted |
| 14:31.56 | [PG]Aex | so got it |
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| 14:32.41 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: you did not have the aplication catalogue setup then I guess? |
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| 14:33.13 | [PG]Aex | If i go to catalogue's it says maemo.org is in there, so dno whats wrong |
| 14:33.45 | MohammadAG | chem|st, internal mic :P |
| 14:34.04 | lardman|home | is numpy in a repo somewhere? |
| 14:34.10 | chem|st | MohammadAG: there is recorder and speech recorder |
| 14:34.24 | MohammadAG | what's the difference chem|st ? |
| 14:34.32 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, python-numpy? |
| 14:34.40 | lardman|home | yep |
| 14:34.43 | GAN900 | lardman|home, when are you flying in? |
| 14:34.50 | lardman|home | I'm not |
| 14:34.52 | chem|st | MohammadAG: recaller is a freaking ram-leaking python widget and I do not recommend any python widgets yet |
| 14:35.10 | lardman|home | GAN900: I doubt my passport will be back in time, plus am rather busy |
| 14:35.13 | lardman|home | sorry! |
| 14:35.26 | GAN900 | lardman|home, not going? |
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| 14:35.45 | chem|st | MohammadAG: dont know I use recorder so far just enough for easy to use |
| 14:35.57 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: thanks for the correct name :) |
| 14:36.04 | lardman|home | GAN900: no, I don't think so |
| 14:36.09 | GAN900 | Damn |
| 14:36.14 | chem|st | [PG]Aex: mmhkay |
| 14:36.42 | lardman|home | GAN900: I had a meeting that day, so didn't apply for sponsorship and now my passport needs to go off to get a visa for India so I can't be sure I'll have it back in time anyway |
| 14:36.47 | MohammadAG | chem|st, is the quality of recorder good? |
| 14:37.02 | lardman|home | so my meeting is cancelled, but I don't think I'll be able to make it anyway |
| 14:37.50 | GAN900 | Conference quality seems to be declining by the minute here. ;) |
| 14:38.53 | chem|st | MohammadAG: 22kHz at 16bit mono and quality is good for speech recording |
| 14:39.20 | chem|st | MohammadAG: output is wav, |
| 14:40.11 | MohammadAG | weird, N900 stuck in flashing mode |
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| 14:40.53 | chem|st | MohammadAG: but I tried to record a song snippet and that did not go well |
| 14:41.05 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 14:41.23 | MohammadAG | I wonder if a USB mic works with the stock kernel drivers |
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| 14:41.29 | chem|st | was to loud |
| 14:41.49 | MohammadAG | oh |
| 14:41.57 | MohammadAG | it's just speech, an interview |
| 14:42.11 | chem|st | for that it is very good, |
| 14:42.33 | chem|st | I think pointing the mic hole to something is not a good idea |
| 14:42.46 | chem|st | but have it sitting on a table should be ok |
| 14:43.04 | lardman|home | starts building matplotlib |
| 14:43.06 | MohammadAG | excellent, just what I need |
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| 14:43.40 | lcuk | lardman|home, \o oh hai |
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| 14:43.47 | lcuk | how long are you in india for? |
| 14:43.55 | chem|st | MohammadAG: did your kbdVUmeter work? |
| 14:44.05 | lardman|home | hi lcuk, only a week |
| 14:44.13 | MohammadAG | chem|st, still haven't reached that level of programming :P |
| 14:44.34 | lardman|home | lcuk: assuming I can get the correct letters, etc., together for the business visa |
| 14:44.35 | lcuk | MohammadAG, theres a few different people looking at audio processing |
| 14:44.50 | MohammadAG | lcuk, KotC and pupnik_ ? |
| 14:44.55 | lcuk | tie in what you know with keylights with one of the frequencies from alterego's fft or something :P |
| 14:45.06 | MohammadAG | fft? |
| 14:45.08 | lcuk | MohammadAG, i was thinking alterego since he has used qt which you are comfortable with |
| 14:45.23 | chem|st | lcuk: who as I want to get PA controls and am close to port the gtk tools from debian if no lightning hits in |
| 14:45.45 | MohammadAG | I'm open to other languages really, C/C++'s syntax is easy |
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| 14:45.56 | MohammadAG | I thought it was a bit harder back in July |
| 14:46.00 | lcuk | MohammadAG, then talk with kot |
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| 14:46.06 | lcuk | should be simples |
| 14:46.42 | MohammadAG | needs gsleep in a separate package |
| 14:46.56 | MohammadAG | depending on coreutils-gnu is an overkill for one binary |
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| 14:49.44 | lardman|home | are there any docs about specifically for debianising a python setup.py build/install type package? |
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| 14:50.13 | MohammadAG | python setup.py bdist_dumb? |
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| 14:50.18 | MohammadAG | or whatever it's called |
| 14:50.21 | MohammadAG | then use pypackager |
| 14:50.27 | lardman|home | hmm |
| 14:50.31 | khertan | chem|st, the problem isn't recorder but the python hildon destop launcher not well writted |
| 14:50.40 | lardman|home | I'll do some looking, thanks MohammadAG |
| 14:50.47 | lcuk | written * |
| 14:50.52 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.maemo.org/PyPackager |
| 14:50.54 | khertan | or python setup.py bdist_maemo |
| 14:51.05 | khertan | ^ but it s an unfinished tool |
| 14:51.16 | khertan | thanks for correction lcuk |
| 14:51.53 | khertan | lardman|home, http://khertan.net/articles/maemo/pypackager_howto |
| 14:52.12 | lardman|home | I need to distribute the source too |
| 14:52.24 | lardman|home | and it's not just a python package, it's also C++ |
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| 14:52.51 | khertan | arg |
| 14:53.03 | khertan | so i ll not suggest any of my tools :) |
| 14:53.06 | lcuk | lardman|home, you could use a simple debian/ folder template and run the python bits you need from inside it |
| 14:53.19 | lcuk | just as simple script format |
| 14:53.21 | lardman|home | lcuk: yeah, I was just wondering if that stuff was documented somewhere? |
| 14:53.41 | lardman|home | I suppose I could do that dh_make business to generate empty files |
| 14:53.41 | MohammadAG | lardman|home, normal debian packaging |
| 14:53.51 | lardman|home | MohammadAG: yeah, nasty stuff ;) |
| 14:54.22 | MohammadAG | it's easier than python :P |
| 14:54.24 | khertan | lardman, there is also : http://pypi.python.org/pypi/stdeb |
| 14:54.26 | lcuk | lardman|home, yeah - i just used a minimal subset with the optify boottime stuff and tried to keep it as simple as possible |
| 14:54.27 | lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/maemo-optify-boottime/trees/master/debian |
| 14:54.31 | khertan | MohammadAG, lol |
| 14:55.42 | chem|st | khertan: yes and no python does not properly free ram even if you tell to |
| 14:55.43 | MohammadAG | khertan, btw, instead of using cp in debian rules, why not switch to a debian/install file and use dh_install |
| 14:55.50 | MohammadAG | suggestion for PyPackager ^ |
| 14:56.15 | khertan | chem|st, it does if you know how to use python properly |
| 14:56.26 | khertan | MohammadAG, dh_install cannot be test on device :) |
| 14:56.55 | chem|st | khertan: then most ppl dont know how ;) |
| 14:56.55 | MohammadAG | ah, makes sense |
| 14:57.08 | khertan | chem|st, exactly :) |
| 14:57.15 | chem|st | khertan: freakshow! |
| 14:58.02 | khertan | chem|st, what does it means ? |
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| 14:58.23 | chem|st | khertan: not only the desktop widgets eat ram, also all python programs left in background |
| 14:59.00 | lardman|home | hmm, looking at how python-numpy is built was a mistake |
| 14:59.02 | chem|st | khertan: all I tried, I make a large curve around python |
| 14:59.27 | kerio | python <3 |
| 14:59.30 | pupnik_ | heh chem|st - that's a german expression |
| 14:59.31 | khertan | chem|st, every program let in background eat ram ... but when i see khteditor, with about 20 windows containing source code use less than 7% of ram on my n900 |
| 14:59.44 | chem|st | pupnik_: I know I dont know the english equi to it |
| 14:59.52 | pupnik_ | 'I avoid python' :) |
| 14:59.54 | khertan | chem|st, i didn't notice difference with other program made with c++ |
| 15:00.07 | chem|st | pupnik_: ty |
| 15:00.10 | ieatlint | anyone have any idea why the icon associated with .desktop file (as packaged/deployed by a .deb) would display in scratchbox but not on the phone itself? |
| 15:00.19 | khertan | and when i see khweeteur running on windows also it s funny :) |
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| 15:00.27 | chem|st | pupnik_: then I know the expression but did not come to mind |
| 15:00.57 | pupnik_ | chem|st: np! it's just fun when you can figure out someone's native language from such things! :) |
| 15:01.06 | chem|st | khertan: eat in terms of leak |
| 15:01.14 | khertan | i didn't notice any |
| 15:01.45 | khertan | you know ... most of the program leaking memory aren't python on n900 |
| 15:01.45 | chem|st | pupnik_: german is not my native language but I live in germany |
| 15:02.28 | lardman|home | ah setup.py install can take a --root parameters, that's nice |
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| 15:03.58 | chem|st | khertan: nvm I am not that into it but experienced some issues with "one" widget and some programs |
| 15:06.14 | khertan | chem|st, every python widget will leak memory due to the hildon python launcher so avoid them on n900 :) |
| 15:06.35 | khertan | and if a python program leak memory warn his author it should not happen |
| 15:06.45 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:06.50 | MohammadAG | conversations app no longer saving logs |
| 15:06.51 | khertan | the author probably badly write some things |
| 15:06.56 | chem|st | khertan: someone else did that already ;) |
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| 15:07.03 | lcuk | khertan, bug number? |
| 15:07.14 | lcuk | for the always leaking statement, thats pretty wild |
| 15:07.22 | khertan | lcuk, lol |
| 15:07.57 | lcuk | i am serious. making such a wide reaching statement without some kind of backup is poor form |
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| 15:08.34 | khertan | lcuk, ask to every python developper which try to made a python widget |
| 15:08.36 | chem|st | khertan: lcuk is right the only app I recognized doing that was recaller and that was noticable within hours |
| 15:09.03 | khertan | chem|st, i got same problem with homeip, homefreemem |
| 15:09.05 | lcuk | khertan, i am asking you specifically since you made the claim. wheres the bug report after you noticed it and discussed with others |
| 15:09.07 | khertan | which i never release |
| 15:09.28 | khertan | lcuk, yep i looking for it ... i submit it a years ago :) |
| 15:09.33 | lcuk | ta |
| 15:09.36 | chem|st | BUT lcuk a nokian guy told me about it as known issue with python-loader |
| 15:10.07 | chem|st | that was in the hildon-home bug comments somewhere |
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| 15:10.45 | chem|st | with stating that this is no hildon-home bug but third party |
| 15:11.30 | lcuk | chem|st, sure, and having something documented to point python devs towards to make sure they do not also fall into the trap is good |
| 15:11.32 | khertan | lcuk : https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8586 |
| 15:11.33 | povbot` | Bug 8586: hildon-desktop-python-loader does not work after installation, until device is rebooted |
| 15:11.37 | lardman|home | ahh, this really is one of the things I hate about coding for the N900 - the sheer amount of effort one has to go to creating deps before you can actually get on with the main application |
| 15:11.48 | lardman|home | but c'est la vie |
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| 15:11.52 | khertan | the wrong one |
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| 15:12.17 | corecode | hola |
| 15:12.27 | chem|st | lcuk: they told as known |
| 15:12.38 | chem|st | lcuk: I did not bother |
| 15:12.53 | corecode | is there a solution to the system becoming quite unresponsive when connecting to the internet? |
| 15:13.01 | corecode | somehow apt sometimes starts running |
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| 15:13.29 | corecode | and eats all my responsiveness |
| 15:13.37 | chem|st | lcuk: and people writing scripts to "optimize" where they use "killall" on hildon-* stuff will lose my attention quiet fast! |
| 15:13.44 | khertan | lcuk, anyway last time i submit something about python loader I was told to fuck off |
| 15:14.10 | khertan | corecode, or maybe an app that connect and retrieve data |
| 15:14.16 | chem|st | corecode: its not apt.. its apt-worker?! and that is updating your sources cache |
| 15:14.21 | corecode | yea |
| 15:14.24 | corecode | right |
| 15:14.34 | chem|st | corecode: answer enough? |
| 15:14.38 | corecode | but still makes my system unresponsive for some mintues |
| 15:14.40 | corecode | no |
| 15:14.47 | corecode | the question was: is there a solution to that |
| 15:14.48 | lcuk | khertan, bugs.maemo.org only has 4 bugs with the phrase fuck off in them. |
| 15:14.50 | chem|st | corecode: you want a solution?! |
| 15:14.54 | lcuk | none of htem are related to python |
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| 15:15.35 | chem|st | set the update interval to something within years instead (value is minutes not seconds btw)... gconf |
| 15:15.42 | lardman|home | hmm, interesting language for a bug report, /me goes to search bugs.maemo.org |
| 15:15.43 | corecode | chem|st: yes, i don't want my phone to be unresponsive so that i can't even tak a call |
| 15:16.02 | corecode | i wonder why it doesn't nice itself |
| 15:16.17 | khertan | lcuk, hey english isn't my native language the term wasn't exactly fuck off, it was an year ago and i didn't remember it well |
| 15:16.36 | khertan | this is like the diablo loader |
| 15:16.43 | chem|st | corecode: I don't know about nicing apt-worker but if you find out tell me ;) |
| 15:16.45 | lardman|home | considers beer |
| 15:16.46 | khertan | it was leaking memory on diablo |
| 15:17.16 | chem|st | lardman|home: good idea... putting it on my shopping list |
| 15:17.18 | khertan | and this is why i ve made my own patch and distribute it before the pymaemo team take the project and fixes memory leaks |
| 15:17.33 | khertan | (and their patch was better than mine) |
| 15:18.17 | khertan | lcuk, if you look you ll not see any bug report on bugzilla from me since a long time |
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| 15:19.46 | BCMM | there seem to be two versions of freeciv for maemo; one being an unmodified package of the SDL client, the other being a hildonied version of the gtk client |
| 15:20.03 | BCMM | i can't see how to use the latter, though |
| 15:21.07 | BCMM | anyone had any success? for me, it just shows the UI for starting a new game for a moment, then shows the freeciv logo |
| 15:22.22 | lardman|home | bbl |
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| 15:24.40 | chem|st | alterego: are you capable of getting pulse to act as rtp/multicast receiver and/or sender and have interest? |
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| 15:44.28 | pupnik_ | C Programming: Large Arrays - Malloc or Declare? http://www.velocityreviews.com/forums/t317924-large-arrays-malloc-or-just-declare.html |
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| 15:59.01 | dreamer | hmm, url's from the terminal don't open in the default browser anymore |
| 15:59.34 | dreamer | iirc I switched to a diff default browser once and now they don't open |
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| 16:01.48 | luke-jr_ | pupnik_: dumb question? |
| 16:04.05 | pupnik_ | luke-jr_: if the answer is apparent then don't bother clicking |
| 16:04.16 | pupnik_ | if the answer isn't apparent, then a person might benefit from clicking |
| 16:04.27 | pupnik_ | agree? |
| 16:05.38 | khertan | X-Fade, can i disturb you and ask you to look at khweeteur-experimental package, it seems to be blocked in the auto builder queue. Thx |
| 16:05.39 | khertan | :) |
| 16:06.49 | khertan | someone have try ff 4.0b2 on maemo ? |
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| 16:06.56 | pupnik_ | http://www.phonearena.com/image.php?m=Reviews.Images&f=name&id=69459&caption=The+Samsung+Reality+U820+feels+comfortable+due+to+its+size+and+rounded+edges&title=Image+from+%22Samsung+Reality+U820+Review%22&popup=1 << very nice 4-row keyboard with a good complement of symbols. Note the dual d-pad styling of the arrows and awsdz keys. |
| 16:07.40 | dreamer | khertan: yup, just got an update yesterday actuallt and was just abot tot try iy :D |
| 16:07.55 | dreamer | khertan: but it's def still beta ;) |
| 16:08.13 | khertan | pupnik_, the look is pretty good, but i still miss a grosser display |
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| 16:08.42 | MohammadAG | hmm, I wonder why packages get locked in the queue |
| 16:08.42 | khertan | like the n810 form factor |
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| 16:08.58 | khertan | MohammadAG, probably because they are corrupted |
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| 16:09.04 | pupnik_ | me too khertan - very nice 4 row keyboard, boring korean styling |
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| 16:10.11 | khertan | pupnik_, most of the for programming symbol use in python have an easy access |
| 16:10.18 | khertan | []{} like the keyboard |
| 16:10.57 | khertan | but the key seems to be a bit small |
| 16:11.06 | khertan | the menu icon is funny |
| 16:11.17 | khertan | it s look like the maemo4 applications icons |
| 16:11.22 | khertan | s/s/ |
| 16:11.38 | pupnik_ | well does samsung release kernel drivers for that stuff? |
| 16:11.43 | pupnik_ | can we boot maemo on it? |
| 16:12.19 | pupnik_ | linux still doesn't enjoy the situation it has on PCs - meaning you can install it on a variety of hardware |
| 16:12.28 | pupnik_ | we're still chained to things like meego, bada |
| 16:12.32 | pupnik_ | android (spit) |
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| 16:14.34 | khertan | pupnik_, hum ... it s not the care bear world ! |
| 16:14.49 | khertan | even on desktop we still have many closed drivers |
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| 16:15.20 | khertan | and you must choose your hardware depending on which os you want to run |
| 16:16.18 | pupnik_ | khertan: true. but this is in my opinion a failure of maemo |
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| 16:16.23 | pupnik_ | nobody else ever picked it up |
| 16:16.45 | MohammadAG | MeeGo wins here |
| 16:16.51 | khertan | MohammadAG, or not |
| 16:16.54 | MohammadAG | two HTC devices already booted it up |
| 16:17.15 | MohammadAG | a nexus and a desire |
| 16:17.21 | pupnik_ | excellent |
| 16:19.14 | tripzero | what's a failure of meego? |
| 16:20.36 | MohammadAG | ahem |
| 16:20.41 | MohammadAG | goes into troll mode |
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| 16:20.44 | MohammadAG | RPM!!1!!!1! |
| 16:21.04 | khertan | tripzero, none for the moment as there isn't any end user release |
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| 16:21.21 | khertan | only time will say if it s a failure or not :) |
| 16:21.28 | tripzero | lol |
| 16:21.36 | tripzero | isn't debian packaging the meego stuff? |
| 16:21.46 | khertan | but ... one failure for Meego Netbook UX is that you can't upgrade from 1.0 to 1.1 |
| 16:21.50 | tripzero | so one could in theory make the distro deb package based? |
| 16:21.53 | khertan | without reinstalling |
| 16:21.58 | tripzero | heh |
| 16:22.08 | tripzero | does it break if you add the 1.1 repos? |
| 16:22.12 | khertan | i think we feel the power of rpm here |
| 16:22.12 | khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:22.16 | tripzero | needs to update his wife's netbook? |
| 16:22.18 | khertan | <tripzero> does it break if you add the 1.1 repos? << yep :) |
| 16:22.26 | tripzero | ew |
| 16:22.29 | tripzero | hrm |
| 16:22.47 | khertan | will install a debian instead of updating meego |
| 16:22.51 | tripzero | if only ubuntu hadn't stopped making a meego respin |
| 16:22.52 | tripzero | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:23.03 | lcuk | khertan, prototype upgrade instructions are available |
| 16:23.07 | lcuk | and should be testable |
| 16:23.11 | lcuk | lemme find the link |
| 16:23.17 | MohammadAG | makes DebiaGo |
| 16:23.25 | MohammadAG | doesn't sound cool enough |
| 16:23.31 | javispedro | DevilGo |
| 16:23.34 | javispedro | morning, btw. |
| 16:23.52 | khertan | lcuk, oh great news ! thnks |
| 16:24.10 | MohammadAG | morning javispedro |
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| 16:24.41 | MohammadAG | don't you just love how tmo implodes when a female posts... http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65055 |
| 16:25.13 | javispedro | chances are, it's a he either way. |
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| 16:26.20 | lcuk | khertan, http://wiki.meego.com/Upgrading_MeeGo_Versions |
| 16:26.37 | lcuk | read, review, discuss (on #meego) test, compare, modify and see if it works |
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| 16:27.36 | khertan | :) |
| 16:27.38 | javispedro | aha, Apple dumps Xserve and Ubuntu dumps the X server |
| 16:28.24 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I've seen shes with an N900 |
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| 16:28.42 | javispedro | MohammadAG: me too. |
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| 16:28.56 | javispedro | so, what. |
| 16:29.09 | MohammadAG | I'm just saying, it's not a male only device :P |
| 16:29.39 | javispedro | so, would you open a post with your hair color as subject to ask for help? |
| 16:30.07 | MohammadAG | no, I'd open a post with "porn" in the title and a "you suck" in the body :P |
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| 16:34.31 | crashanddie_ | MohammadAG, is that some kind of self-inflicted mind porn? |
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| 16:35.17 | MohammadAG | no, it's a perverts test, just count the views |
| 16:36.39 | GAN900 | facepalms. |
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| 16:38.59 | crashanddie_ | "Mexican sales of Ford's Lobo pick-up, popular with drug cartel hitmen, are falling along with those of similar vehicles because motorists fear being mistaken for gangsters by soldiers and police, the head of the U.S. automaker's local subsidiary said on Thursday." |
| 16:39.36 | crashanddie_ | I wouldn't buy a car called "Lobo" in the first place |
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| 16:40.01 | crashanddie_ | or maybe just to pimp it to "Loco" |
| 16:40.20 | crashanddie_ | kimitake_idle, you can deactivate that script right away. Or get banned. Your choice, really. |
| 16:40.26 | crashanddie_ | Anyway, off to weekend. Later all |
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| 16:46.39 | crashanddie_ | "Dogs that do not tolerate small children well are the St. Bernard, the Old English sheepdog, the Alaskan malamute, the bull terrier, and the toy poodle. So now you know what to get your obnoxious nephew as a pet." |
| 16:47.11 | javispedro | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Malamute_pup.JPG |
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| 16:49.47 | RST38h | javispedro: Ah! Puppies! |
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| 16:50.18 | javispedro | children-hating puppies! |
| 16:50.54 | RST38h | dachsunds are also not exactly children loving critters |
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| 16:52.20 | MohammadAG | woah, this made my hildon-desktop awesome! http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=859494&postcount=4 |
| 16:52.37 | javispedro | ............................... |
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| 16:53.21 | javispedro | you know that file's only purpose is to set that setting to 0. |
| 16:53.25 | MohammadAG | why isn't it set to 1 by default? |
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| 16:54.10 | MohammadAG | as I said, why? |
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| 16:54.50 | javispedro | "hildon-desktop animations are not linear" without it. |
| 16:55.31 | MohammadAG | what does that mean? |
| 16:55.50 | javispedro | nokia words, not mine. |
| 16:58.00 | MohammadAG | funny, the desktop is a lot smoother with it |
| 16:59.40 | Shapeshifter | what does it do? |
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| 17:00.31 | javispedro | disagrees |
| 17:00.44 | MohammadAG | I see |
| 17:00.47 | javispedro | MohammadAG: what it means is obvious now: "linear" in time |
| 17:00.48 | MohammadAG | if blur is enabled, it's shitty |
| 17:01.05 | GAN900 | Winter comes to Florida |
| 17:01.10 | RST38h | javispedro: <facepalm> |
| 17:01.10 | javispedro | without it, frames do not seem to be evenly spaced in time |
| 17:01.15 | RST38h | GAN: Rain? =) |
| 17:01.24 | MohammadAG | yeah, I can see that |
| 17:02.03 | javispedro | makes for an iphony effect fwiw (Apple tends to overuse non linearity in animations...) |
| 17:02.19 | javispedro | hates it |
| 17:03.51 | RST38h | does not see any difference, desktpo behaves the same |
| 17:03.59 | MohammadAG | restart the desktop |
| 17:04.04 | RST38h | done |
| 17:04.13 | javispedro | RST38h: you can also just rename it out of the way |
| 17:04.25 | RST38h | rename what? hildon-desktop??? |
| 17:04.30 | MohammadAG | no, the file |
| 17:04.32 | javispedro | hildon-desktop.ini |
| 17:04.46 | MohammadAG | so it's set to 1 by default, but that file sets it to 0 |
| 17:04.51 | javispedro | the default is UseHWSync=1 since PR1.2 iirc |
| 17:05.20 | RST38h | hm |
| 17:05.31 | MohammadAG | was 0 here |
| 17:05.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I mean the driver default |
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| 17:05.49 | MohammadAG | oh |
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| 17:06.14 | Gorroth | hmm, i dont know if that setting made my desktop faster |
| 17:06.20 | javispedro | that file is only overriding it |
| 17:06.30 | javispedro | (and I guess it was introduced when the default was changed...) |
| 17:06.53 | Gorroth | the powervr hildon setting |
| 17:07.00 | MohammadAG | restart the desktop |
| 17:07.30 | Gorroth | i restarted the phone |
| 17:07.41 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: how |
| 17:07.46 | Gorroth | i dont know if it is faster though |
| 17:08.03 | MohammadAG | killall hildon-desktop would be one way |
| 17:08.14 | MohammadAG | though that sometimes messes up rotations till you reboot |
| 17:08.15 | GAN900 | RST38h, nah, winter is dry season. |
| 17:08.27 | GAN900 | RST38h, highs in the mid 60s. :D |
| 17:08.28 | MohammadAG | it's slower when you have blurring neabled |
| 17:08.32 | MohammadAG | enabled even |
| 17:08.53 | Gorroth | how do i know if i have blurring and how do i turn it off |
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| 17:09.10 | MohammadAG | you see a blurred background when you open the menu |
| 17:09.19 | Gorroth | oh. i have that |
| 17:09.24 | MohammadAG | edit transitions.ini and set radius and radius_more from 16/12 to 0 |
| 17:09.27 | Shapeshifter | whoa |
| 17:09.28 | Shapeshifter | this effect is huge |
| 17:09.34 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini |
| 17:09.34 | Shapeshifter | it looks a bit weird though |
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| 17:13.21 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: where do i place that file? in /etc/hildon-desktop? |
| 17:14.10 | MohammadAG | err, no, just save what you edited |
| 17:14.30 | Gorroth | ok |
| 17:14.46 | Gorroth | change all instance of radius/radius_more? |
| 17:16.08 | MohammadAG | there should be only one instance of both |
| 17:16.45 | MohammadAG | in [home] |
| 17:16.45 | Gorroth | there are two for radius |
| 17:16.52 | Gorroth | one under home |
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| 17:17.04 | MohammadAG | change only the ones under [home] |
| 17:17.07 | Gorroth | the other under launcher_glow |
| 17:17.09 | Gorroth | ok |
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| 17:18.21 | Gorroth | let me reboot and see if that helps |
| 17:18.40 | Gorroth | killall hildson-desktop didnt make it faster, and i still see blurring |
| 17:20.10 | fcrochik | I just got back from |
| 17:20.18 | RST38h | GAN: Oh, the ocean has become unswimmable =) |
| 17:20.57 | fcrochik | .... oops... new keyboard.... just got back from qt dev days and I am wondering if anybody here tried mixing qml with qt on maemo5... any comments? |
| 17:21.33 | Gorroth | hmm, i guess either it doesnt work for me or the speed isnt faster than efore i did all this |
| 17:21.36 | GAN900 | RST38h, not for another few weeks. |
| 17:21.47 | MohammadAG | or you're doing it wrong |
| 17:21.49 | GAN900 | RST38h, water temp in Tampa Bay is still in the low 80s. |
| 17:22.14 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: doubtful. it is just a couple files... |
| 17:22.26 | Gorroth | not brain surgery |
| 17:22.27 | lcuk | fcrochik, speak with alterego or even konttori, both dabble with qml quite extensively |
| 17:22.42 | MohammadAG | changes to transitions.ini should be instant, at least for radius and radius_more |
| 17:23.08 | MohammadAG | lcuk, fcrochik I think Jaffa does too |
| 17:23.19 | Gorroth | well, changing those settings dont make it crazy fast or anything |
| 17:23.22 | javispedro | http://meego.gitorious.org/ , so, what does Nokia do when gitorious is down? |
| 17:23.36 | javispedro | should have chosen github, really. |
| 17:24.12 | MohammadAG | javispedro, meditate |
| 17:24.35 | javispedro | http://www.varnish-cache.org/ -- varnish makes websites fly.... to somewhere outside earth! </lame> |
| 17:24.55 | lardman|home | crosses his fingers that matplotlib will build |
| 17:24.59 | lardman|home | hmm, failure! |
| 17:25.16 | pupnik_ | javispedro: i see that dosbox offers heavy debug mode -- "This guide explains how to activate the DOSBOX debugger and use the various commands it offers" http://vogons.zetafleet.com/viewtopic.php?t=3944 |
| 17:25.37 | Gorroth | sweet. turning the WSEGL_UseHWSync back to 0 works |
| 17:25.49 | javispedro | pupnik_: I guess that will only work with the interpreter |
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| 17:27.30 | pupnik_ | javispedro: yes cpu must be 'normal' i think (or was it simple?) http://kannan.jumbledthoughts.com/index.php/howto-use-dosbox-as-a-quick-dirty-disassembler/ |
| 17:27.30 | lardman|home | hmm, quite remarkable, it seems to have worked |
| 17:27.52 | javispedro | pupnik_: normal iirc :) |
| 17:28.19 | pupnik_ | you're normal, i'm simple - is that it? |
| 17:28.49 | pupnik_ | ;) anyway it looks like we could make a map of the instructions that something like daggerfall uses |
| 17:28.58 | pupnik_ | using the LOG function... |
| 17:29.10 | pupnik_ | find what it is spending its time doing rasterizing the game data |
| 17:29.14 | javispedro | probably. doesn't it have a disassembler? |
| 17:29.16 | pupnik_ | then ... ??? ... profit |
| 17:29.47 | RST38h | Dell's announced all 25,000 employees will be given Dell Venue Pros running WP7 in exchange for their BlackBerrys, but they're also offering a new service to their clients for help switching from BlackBerry. |
| 17:29.48 | pupnik_ | maybe watch for writes to vga mem |
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| 17:30.41 | pupnik_ | RST38h: you think it might be likely one could statically recompile some innerloop in say, Daggerfall or Arena |
| 17:30.54 | pupnik_ | or am i imagining things |
| 17:31.17 | javispedro | pupnik_: oh, I see what you're trying to do there. |
| 17:31.20 | javispedro | that's called HLE btw. |
| 17:31.23 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: could you please paste your transitions.ini. stuff looks weird here |
| 17:31.26 | RST38h | pupnik: yes, it is possible |
| 17:31.33 | tripzero | is wp7 any good? |
| 17:31.34 | RST38h | pupnik: does not mean easy though |
| 17:32.17 | MohammadAG | Shapeshifter, http://pastebin.com/KKz8bf4N |
| 17:32.22 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 17:33.15 | jacekowski | fucking fuck |
| 17:33.17 | jacekowski | http://www.eveningstar.co.uk/news/colchester_town_gypsy_site_is_given_the_go_ahead_1_718561 |
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| 17:35.12 | RST38h | Canonical and Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will move away from the traditional X.org display environment to Wayland a more modern alternative. |
| 17:35.55 | jacekowski | and they break api again |
| 17:36.22 | MohammadAG | <RST38h> -Canonical and Ubuntu founder Mark Shuttleworth has announced that Ubuntu will move away from the traditional X.org display environment to Wayland a more modern alternative. |
| 17:36.25 | MohammadAG | WHAT THE FUCK? |
| 17:36.47 | javispedro | hehe |
| 17:36.47 | RST38h | Mohammad:The fuck. |
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| 17:36.51 | jacekowski | yeah, they decided to break api again |
| 17:36.51 | javispedro | saw it a few minutes ago |
| 17:36.52 | jacekowski | and abi |
| 17:36.59 | javispedro | jacekowski: they'll fail |
| 17:37.01 | jacekowski | so nvidia drivers will stop working |
| 17:37.06 | jacekowski | ati drivers will stop working |
| 17:37.08 | jacekowski | stuff will break |
| 17:37.17 | MohammadAG | users will break - away |
| 17:37.40 | javispedro | jacekowski: all of this new stuff... they even rolled unity with its top global menu bar even without hacking patching Firefox to support it. |
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| 17:38.14 | Gorroth | who cares what display manager ubuntu uses? it's all nerd turf wars |
| 17:38.22 | Shapeshifter | indeed |
| 17:38.36 | MohammadAG | I care |
| 17:39.02 | Gorroth | that is cool |
| 17:39.04 | javispedro | Gorroth: you need more Jobs brainwashing if you as a consumer don't care. |
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| 17:39.50 | javispedro | a few minutes near the Reality Distortion Field and you'll start cheering for ubernerd stuff such as ... a new CoreAnimation API! WhohoooO!!! |
| 17:41.05 | Gorroth | actually i use lots of apple products. and truth be told, users dont care |
| 17:41.10 | Gorroth | nerd turf wars |
| 17:42.05 | RST38h | javispedro: insanity is finally starting to chew away at Ubuntu engineers |
| 17:42.11 | lardman|home | moans about Ubuntu's deprecation of xinerama |
| 17:42.26 | zokier | it's just defaults. it's not like canonical is preventing you from installing xorg or your favourite wm if you wish to do so |
| 17:42.35 | lardman|home | not to mention needing to patch the xserver to get Qt apps to not crash it |
| 17:42.46 | RST38h | But, I mean, removing X from Linux??? |
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| 17:43.05 | zokier | X was never in linux |
| 17:43.34 | Chewtoy | X is not really needed, if you know how to use a terminal. |
| 17:43.38 | RST38h | [for Wikipedians] When saying Linux, I do notmean the kernel.I mean the whole OS. |
| 17:44.12 | RST38h | As in "FreeBSD", you know. Or "NetBSD". Or, awww, "Windows" |
| 17:44.30 | Chewtoy | What distro are you thinking about then? |
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| 17:45.22 | RST38h | Chewtoy: Any semiusable distro - Ubuntu, SuSE, Redhat, Debian |
| 17:45.49 | Gorroth | ubuntu ditched X in their server ersion. are you mad about that too? |
| 17:46.15 | RST38h | Am I mad about Ubuntu ditching it in the desktop version? |
| 17:46.15 | Chewtoy | Why the hell would you want X on a server? |
| 17:46.24 | javispedro | Gorroth: do you have stock in Wayland and/or RedHat? |
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| 17:46.54 | Gorroth | exactly. this is just a bunch of nerd turf wars. you guys just dont like change i think |
| 17:47.04 | RST38h | sighs at Gorroth |
| 17:47.22 | RST38h | Ok, just to provide some entertainment tonight, I will explain why |
| 17:47.39 | javispedro | grabs comfortable chair and popcorn |
| 17:47.49 | RST38h | Gorroth: You see, there exists a lot of packaged software for Linux already, or, to make it clear for you, for Ubuntu Linux |
| 17:48.15 | MohammadAG | <Gorroth> +ubuntu ditched X in their server ersion. are you mad about that too? |
| 17:48.26 | MohammadAG | server versions of OSs don't usually need anything more than a terminal |
| 17:48.29 | RST38h | Gorroth: Most of that software (command line and server tools excluded) depends on the X11 server to communicate with the user |
| 17:48.36 | MohammadAG | since... you know, they're usually accessed over ssh |
| 17:48.39 | RST38h | Gorroth: Are you with me, Apple boy? |
| 17:49.21 | RST38h | Gorroth: Sooo, once you ditch X11 server, all the above packages will brake. You won'tbe able to use them any more. Capische? |
| 17:49.23 | tripzero | i don't think ubuntu ever had a server version with X |
| 17:49.32 | Gorroth | MohammadAG: exactly my point. now, if you dont like the ubuntu change, im sure you can find a distro that works for you |
| 17:49.41 | Gorroth | life didnt end |
| 17:50.02 | MohammadAG | you're missing the points |
| 17:50.03 | Gorroth | RST38h: im not talking to you. you are in love with ad hominem |
| 17:50.05 | RST38h | Gorroth: So, yes, as an ordinary Ubuntu user I do care if the software I amcurrently using still works on the next Ubuntu |
| 17:50.10 | MohammadAG | servers don't have a desktop manager |
| 17:50.12 | tripzero | and if ubuntu did have a server version with X it was probably pre 5.10 (before i started using it) |
| 17:50.19 | lardman|home | no, but those using the new Ubuntu won't be able to do much of anything with no apps |
| 17:50.22 | zokier | RST38h, are you familiar with wayland in any way? |
| 17:50.33 | RST38h | javispedro: Heh, told you, those lemmings tear easily... |
| 17:50.35 | tripzero | don't like ubuntu server edition? install desktop and stfu |
| 17:50.37 | RST38h | zokier: No |
| 17:50.38 | tripzero | ;P |
| 17:50.52 | tripzero | apt-get your way to glory |
| 17:51.02 | zokier | RST38h, look at the last picture at http://wayland.freedesktop.org/architecture.html |
| 17:51.18 | RST38h | zokier: And, as an ordinary user, not eager to get familiar with yet another piece of infrastructure. |
| 17:51.33 | MohammadAG | let's just put it this way |
| 17:51.41 | chem|st | tripzero: apt-get install 10000000eur |
| 17:51.48 | MohammadAG | QtBrowser: cannot connect to X server :2 |
| 17:51.59 | MohammadAG | that'll be happening a lot ^ |
| 17:52.04 | lardman|home | zokier: interesting |
| 17:52.35 | zokier | RST38h, no, but you might be interested that transitioning to wayland does not mean that X11-dependand apps will break |
| 17:52.46 | pupnik_ | hello, segfault my old friend |
| 17:52.51 | pupnik_ | i've come to work round you again |
| 17:53.13 | javispedro | zokier: so sure about that. copy paste between wayland and x clients? check. drag and drop? check. |
| 17:53.15 | tripzero | SIGSEGV! |
| 17:53.17 | javispedro | window properties? check. |
| 17:53.23 | RST38h | zokier: Well, that page of yours shows running X11 on top of wayland |
| 17:53.27 | javispedro | XEmbed? check. |
| 17:53.41 | javispedro | they will break _everything_. |
| 17:53.49 | RST38h | zokier: So, from engineering point of view, what we have there is exposing compositor directly to the apps |
| 17:54.20 | javispedro | X11 is (fortunately or not, depends on who you ask) something more than a big framebuffer device. |
| 17:54.28 | pupnik_ | javispedro: is there any automated HLE that does dynamic -> static recompilation for particular executeables? |
| 17:54.30 | RST38h | zokier: You still have a choice of either 1) running X11 on top of wayland (i.e. X11 stays) and 2) not running X11 (i.e. compatibility killed) |
| 17:55.36 | javispedro | pupnik_: full static recompilation is not HLE. "Detecting" usual rendering function and using native versions (or GPU) is. |
| 17:55.40 | RST38h | zokier: and no, I am not interested in the compositor and "all the cool things one can do with it". Just want my current apps to work. |
| 17:55.44 | javispedro | pupnik_: pandora had some full x86 static recompiler work btw |
| 17:56.14 | javispedro | pupnik_: aiui they even got some games to work... |
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| 17:56.57 | lardman|home | hmm, how is it that armel python2.5-dateutil exists but i386 python2.5-dateutil does not. thereby breaking my build? |
| 17:57.09 | juk | gitorious down, any news? |
| 17:57.12 | javispedro | lardman|home: packager forgot? =) |
| 17:57.22 | pupnik_ | javispedro: i guess that's the place to discuss some kind of x86 hacking of daggerfall/arena |
| 17:57.28 | lardman|home | I didn't think you could just select one target? |
| 17:57.42 | javispedro | lardman|home: you can, "Architecture: armel" in control file for ex. |
| 17:57.44 | pupnik_ | javispedro: cause unless some of that rendering isn't converted to optimized arm, those games will never run fast on dosbox - imo |
| 17:57.51 | lardman|home | ah ok |
| 17:57.51 | chem|st | javispedro: X11 is not a huge FBdevice? |
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| 17:58.25 | juk | guys on #gitorious can't access it too, so not only me |
| 17:58.42 | javispedro | chem|st: "not only" a huge FBdevice. |
| 17:58.50 | lardman|home | javispedro: is it possible to determine depends using an && operation to tell whether it's 386 or armel? |
| 17:59.09 | WakiMiko | quick question: how can i see my dns servers? resolv.conf only contains 127.0.0.1 |
| 17:59.12 | javispedro | lardman|home: yes, but it's a different operator, lemme look it up |
| 17:59.17 | lardman|home | thanks |
| 17:59.26 | chem|st | javispedro: what else is it? |
| 17:59.49 | lcuk | lardman|home, https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/src/Makefile#L12 |
| 17:59.53 | chem|st | javispedro: it is a huge xinput device too |
| 18:00.10 | chem|st | javispedro: cannot come up with more atm |
| 18:00.20 | javispedro | chem|st: see my own checklist above |
| 18:00.52 | lcuk | https://github.com/lcuk/libliqbase/blob/master/debian/control#L4 |
| 18:01.03 | lcuk | , libosso-dev [!i386], |
| 18:01.04 | javispedro | lardman|home: Depends: foo [i386], bar [amd64] |
| 18:01.10 | javispedro | lcuk: argh :). thanks! |
| 18:01.30 | WakiMiko | anyone? |
| 18:01.31 | lcuk | javispedro, :D |
| 18:01.35 | chem|st | xembed? |
| 18:01.59 | MohammadAG | zip2.32-1maemo2user/tools168 <-- how do I pipe this with awk? |
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| 18:02.49 | juk | MohammadAG: any reasons why gitorious down? |
| 18:02.57 | lardman|home | javispedro: thanks |
| 18:03.06 | MohammadAG | why are you asking me? :| |
| 18:03.35 | javispedro | juk: Gitorious down is the reason I'm here wasting everybody's time instead of silently coding =) |
| 18:03.39 | MohammadAG | err |
| 18:03.47 | MohammadAG | zip2.32-1maemo2user/tools168 <-- how do I pipe this with awk to get the first part only |
| 18:04.05 | SpeedEvil | ou mean you want the 'zip' |
| 18:04.06 | javispedro | use cut? |
| 18:04.09 | SpeedEvil | awk '{print $1} |
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| 18:04.25 | SpeedEvil | Or awk '$0=$1' if you want to confuse people |
| 18:04.47 | juk | MohammadAG: what are you doing? |
| 18:05.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: you should be fixing Gitorious! |
| 18:05.25 | MohammadAG | is confused |
| 18:05.27 | MohammadAG | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 18:06.04 | GAN900 | javispedro, you need a secondary hobby, clearly. |
| 18:06.49 | lardman|home | so is the arm target known as [armel] ? |
| 18:06.54 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:07.05 | lardman|home | wunderbar, thanks |
| 18:08.49 | lardman|home | hmm, I see I just won the lottery |
| 18:08.57 | lardman|home | a whole £9.50 |
| 18:09.18 | lardman|home | heads to claim winnings and spend it on vino |
| 18:09.22 | WakiMiko | how can i see which dns servers my n900 is using? resolv.conf only contains 127.0.0.1 |
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| 18:09.33 | lcuk | MohammadAG, you can try and give lardman a wine voucher :P |
| 18:09.43 | lcuk | he has more use for it than me |
| 18:10.07 | lardman|home | lcuk: it's been a long week! ;) |
| 18:10.37 | MohammadAG | lcuk, forward it to him :) |
| 18:10.56 | lardman|home | continually uploading the 12Mb matplotlob tarball is getting tedious now |
| 18:10.58 | juk | WakiMiko: probably it is |
| 18:11.15 | WakiMiko | how do i resolve things then? |
| 18:11.53 | juk | WakiMiko: add your ISPs |
| 18:12.26 | WakiMiko | but i already can resolve hostnames |
| 18:12.36 | WakiMiko | where does it get them from? |
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| 18:13.03 | juk | WakiMiko: did you restart networking? |
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| 18:14.22 | WakiMiko | i connected to my wlan, i get a ip from my dhcp server, but it seems to ignore the dns servers |
| 18:15.10 | zokier | WakiMiko, look at /etc/dnsmasq.conf |
| 18:16.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | HELL! once again every single pkg in repo is incompatible to PR1.2 :-((( |
| 18:16.47 | steinex | DocScrutinizer51: why don't you upgrade? |
| 18:17.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | just because |
| 18:18.20 | WakiMiko | zokier: thanks. the file referenced in dnsmasq (var/run/resolv.conf.wlan0) contains the right dns servers, but the n900 doesnt appear to be using them |
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| 18:18.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | or, on a more detailed philosophical explanation: I HATE being forced |
| 18:19.21 | RST38h | Doc: You mean, evil Nokia is forcing you to upgrade to pr1.3? |
| 18:19.23 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: what? |
| 18:19.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: which package? |
| 18:19.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | e.g. Fahrplan |
| 18:19.55 | juk | WakiMiko: why? |
| 18:19.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | mbarcode |
| 18:20.02 | javispedro | python... sigh. |
| 18:20.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
| 18:20.44 | zokier | WakiMiko, maybe it has cached the results so it seems that it's not using current servers? |
| 18:21.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | I bet fahrplan is NOT reliant on any pr1.3 things |
| 18:21.30 | RST38h | javispedro: I am running into Python haters all the time lately BTW |
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| 18:21.39 | WakiMiko | well it cant resolve any of the names on my lan |
| 18:21.56 | RST38h | javispedro: Imaging having to defend Python when you do not even like it! :) |
| 18:22.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: python and qt -- killer combination for dependency generation. |
| 18:22.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-S |
| 18:22.46 | RST38h | s/Imaging/Imagine |
| 18:23.12 | javispedro | RST38h: heh :) |
| 18:23.24 | zokier | binary packages and multiple versions in general are bit problematic |
| 18:24.28 | zokier | selecting the pre-pr1.3 versions of packages should work |
| 18:24.45 | RST38h | BTW, could someone tell me where dpkg data is stored? for installed packages? |
| 18:24.58 | javispedro | /var/lib/info/dpkg/* ? |
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| 18:25.04 | javispedro | (there might be a db elsewhere) |
| 18:25.04 | RST38h | a'ok, thanks |
| 18:25.11 | MohammadAG | no |
| 18:25.13 | javispedro | but quite a lot of info is there |
| 18:25.14 | MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info |
| 18:25.17 | MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/* |
| 18:25.28 | MohammadAG | and /var/lib/dpkg/status for control files in one file |
| 18:25.28 | javispedro | ah yes, thanks MohammadAG |
| 18:25.42 | javispedro | zokier: seemingly not for Qt4.7 built stuff, it's calling new symbols from qtcore |
| 18:25.48 | MohammadAG | /var/lib/dpkg/info/* is for .list files, .post/pre* stuff |
| 18:27.14 | RST38h | Found and fixed it |
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| 18:29.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | honestly, HTF can you upgrade a productive device without *proper* backup so you can *really* *completely* rollback to pre-upgrade state on failure??? |
| 18:30.06 | RST38h | carefully? |
| 18:30.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | HAHA |
| 18:30.33 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: extras(-stable) should be branched for pr1.2, pr1.3 |
| 18:32.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm, this means downgrade to 1.2 possible for extras-stable only. Nice, regarding number of elementary apps NOT in stable |
| 18:32.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's BS |
| 18:32.57 | javispedro | there's not much to be done, really. |
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| 18:33.16 | RST38h | Doc, why do you want to stay with PR1.3 anyway? |
| 18:33.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | good question |
| 18:35.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you can just reflash the pr1.2 kernel, or your custom one... (you're going to do it eitherway I guess) |
| 18:36.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | I CAN NOT restore current state of a production device |
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| 18:37.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | *IF* upgrade to 1.3 leaves me screwed, I'm busted |
| 18:37.31 | MohammadAG | what's this about? |
| 18:37.49 | MohammadAG | you can roll back to1.2 from 1.3 |
| 18:38.16 | javispedro | the point is that if any of your apps was on -devel they will have been rebuilt with pr1.3 components |
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| 18:38.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | Anybody not seeing the BAD in this shall be sentenced to use slideruler for 10 years, and not touch ANY IT |
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| 18:39.16 | javispedro | does not see the bad: -devel is the unstable repo. |
| 18:39.24 | javispedro | it is.. unstable. |
| 18:39.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | (a good question for hiring new sysops btw) |
| 18:39.53 | javispedro | there's a lot of freedoms that come by publishing your software to a unstable repository that developers seem to like. |
| 18:40.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | javispedro: so what? how's that related to rollback? |
| 18:40.48 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you cannot rollback if you used software from unstable. |
| 18:40.55 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer51: you can rollback if you didn't. |
| 18:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | FAIL!!!! |
| 18:41.30 | GAN900 | pokes DocScrutinizer51 with an aluminum pole. |
| 18:42.02 | Gorroth | is that a soda can, or are you just happy to see me |
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| 18:44.44 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: only semi-valid way to deal with this in the way Nokia repo recently does were to move all -testing and -devel to PR1.2-stable, same time you're publishing PR1.3 |
| 18:45.12 | DocScrutinizer | OR offer a decent stable tested way to do FULL DISK IMAGE |
| 18:45.32 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: might be valid features request even, to just tar the entire repo the day before rolling pr1.x |
| 18:45.43 | DocScrutinizer | YES!!! |
| 18:45.49 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: there's a sane way to do disk imaging now, just boot into meego and tar rootfs |
| 18:45.59 | javispedro | andr /home |
| 18:46.19 | DocScrutinizer | duh, as sane as meego is safe? |
| 18:46.22 | luke-jr_ | be glad PR1.3 didn't bring an incompatible cellmo update |
| 18:46.24 | luke-jr_ | :P |
| 18:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: how do you know? |
| 18:46.59 | luke-jr_ | I don't. |
| 18:47.04 | luke-jr_ | I still have PR1.2 ☺ |
| 18:47.05 | DocScrutinizer | see!? |
| 18:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | me too |
| 18:47.48 | javispedro | ah, more warez in tmo! |
| 18:48.08 | luke-jr_ | they replaced the warz with warez? |
| 18:48.33 | DocScrutinizer | incompatible xloader/NOLO update would be equally "nice" |
| 18:48.39 | ShadowJK | still has 1.2 out of fear upgrading ota will involve a reflash again :) |
| 18:48.53 | luke-jr_ | just fears Nokia :P |
| 18:49.10 | luke-jr_ | or rather, I fear their historic incompetence |
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| 18:49.55 | DocScrutinizer | ack, same here |
| 18:50.24 | luke-jr_ | therefore, DocScrutinizer needs to switch to Gentoo |
| 18:50.26 | luke-jr_ | <.< |
| 18:50.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you can also boot into rescue, or a minimal system if you fear meego |
| 18:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | as they evidently don't care about reasonable working rollback, how can you assume they care about anything else |
| 18:50.58 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: maemo.org is not Nokia! |
| 18:51.07 | luke-jr_ | maemo.org > Nokia |
| 18:51.17 | luke-jr_ | heck, talk.maemo.org > Nokia |
| 18:51.19 | luke-jr_ | anyhow, bbl |
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| 18:52.51 | juk | javispedro: it's only place to look for actual help with n900 what is nokia then |
| 18:53.04 | javispedro | it's not even 2011 yet, and Garmin is already trying to sell me the 2nd edition of 2011 maps |
| 18:53.28 | MohammadAG | saves output of maemo-list-user-packages | awk '{print $1}' to pipe to apt later :) |
| 18:53.32 | javispedro | juk: uh? rephrase please |
| 18:53.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: that's basically what osso-backup packages does :) |
| 18:53.56 | MohammadAG | javispedro, didn't know that :) |
| 18:54.12 | javispedro | MohammadAG: there's even an option in app mgr menu to restore such a package name list file |
| 18:54.29 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I know of that |
| 18:54.33 | MohammadAG | but I hate HAM |
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| 18:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: and this (osso-backup.pkgs) will fail epically on restore under a 1.2 |
| 18:57.20 | javispedro | yes, if you used -devel software =) |
| 18:57.34 | DocScrutinizer | so WHAT? |
| 18:57.48 | DocScrutinizer | THAT's BULLSHIT! |
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| 18:58.18 | javispedro | tbh I do not remember the exact reasoning between not branching -devel the way -stable is branched |
| 18:58.26 | javispedro | s/between/why |
| 18:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | I can tell you: "too much work" |
| 18:58.53 | V-ille | "no business reason"? :) |
| 18:59.01 | DocScrutinizer | I might even find the email with the exact words, back when |
| 18:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | now, on pr1.3, we see EXACTLY SAME SHIT again. NOT amused!! |
| 19:00.10 | javispedro | wasn't jebba hosting a mirror btw? |
| 19:00.21 | DocScrutinizer | loong gone |
| 19:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | jebba is "dead" |
| 19:00.39 | DocScrutinizer | aka pissed and gone |
| 19:00.44 | javispedro | ponders if I should host one.. |
| 19:01.07 | javispedro | no, ISP would kill me. |
| 19:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | need an account on a box with 1GB backbone and unlimited traffic? |
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| 19:02.17 | kerio | i do! i do! |
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| 19:02.39 | pupnik_ | 'need' is rather amorphous |
| 19:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | s/need/like |
| 19:02.58 | kerio | i still do! |
| 19:03.02 | dolp | and that box is some 386 |
| 19:03.11 | DocScrutinizer | even "would you like me to give you" |
| 19:03.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: you could host the mirror yourself then |
| 19:03.29 | kerio | me me me me me! |
| 19:03.43 | javispedro | I wonder if repository.maemo.org has public rsync |
| 19:03.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'm basically not inclined to do |
| 19:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | but I might share an account for that |
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| 19:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | on what's about the same as openmoko infra |
| 19:04.24 | Gorroth | anyone know how to disable auto dimming of your n900 screen? it just annoys me |
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| 19:05.28 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, hit the mailing list and discuss it. |
| 19:05.39 | GAN900 | V-ille, not Nokia's decision |
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| 19:05.44 | GAN900 | Extras is maemo.org |
| 19:05.47 | kevloral | Hello all |
| 19:05.52 | opdf2 | anyone get el-v1.db problems every now and then? |
| 19:06.45 | opdf2 | sometimes I need to delete it because texts get stuck at pending, even though they were really sent |
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| 19:19.06 | wmarone | wonders what happened that he now gets GSM noise on his N900 over headphones :/ |
| 19:19.21 | wmarone | but only in the left speaker |
| 19:21.11 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 19:21.26 | ShadowJK | do you get any music in left? |
| 19:21.39 | ShadowJK | do you get stereo sound in headphones? |
| 19:21.50 | wmarone | oh yeah |
| 19:22.01 | wmarone | I suspect it's a hint I should get new headphones |
| 19:22.22 | wmarone | I moved the stress relief around a bit and it went away |
| 19:22.49 | ShadowJK | when the one wire was disconnected it acted as an antenna :) |
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| 19:25.15 | mgedmin | GSM noise? yeah, I just recently noticed that too |
| 19:25.29 | mgedmin | <conspiracy>do you think this could be caused by upgrading to PR 1.3? </conspiracy> |
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| 19:26.28 | wmarone | doubtful, had it before the update |
| 19:27.11 | wmarone | ShadowJK: yeah that's what is probably going on, one strand in the bundle probably. not enough to kill the sound, but enough to pick up the noise. |
| 19:29.17 | javispedro | aha, so microsoft chose github too. |
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| 19:32.56 | andax | /home/opt/zoutube/zoutube --help-all #revealed that we can pass some special plugin settings to zoutube, but how can we get it to open a specific URL with zoutube? I.e. from IRC? |
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| 19:34.18 | ds3 | has anyone socks-ified an N900? |
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| 19:35.08 | SpeedEvil | I have used socks on my n900 to connect my laptop browser to the net |
| 19:35.46 | kerio | i hope they were clean |
| 19:36.03 | kerio | otherwise your n900 will smell like feet |
| 19:36.26 | lcuk | some feet smell very nice |
| 19:36.37 | lcuk | so it depends on who the socks belong to |
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| 19:37.42 | kerio | >feet fetishism |
| 19:38.02 | GAN900 | Gross |
| 19:38.13 | andax | My socks are in a weekly left-right rotation sceme, so i can make sure both smell the same way :) |
| 19:38.33 | javispedro | now we're left to understand what the original poster wanted |
| 19:38.45 | javispedro | did he want to put his n900 in a sock' |
| 19:39.05 | kerio | i lost my n900's stylus :( |
| 19:39.44 | andax | kerio: you lost 10$ |
| 19:40.08 | kerio | they cost that much? :O |
| 19:40.12 | kerio | jesus |
| 19:40.16 | kerio | it's a piece of plastic |
| 19:40.24 | lcuk | ds3, socks proxy? |
| 19:40.25 | kerio | i wonder if i can get it replaced by nokia care |
| 19:40.26 | V-ille | well, find a person who you don't like, steal his stylus |
| 19:40.38 | andax | yes, maybe you can get it cheaper but those i saw where that much |
| 19:40.40 | kerio | "the stylus spontaneously disintegrated" |
| 19:40.45 | lcuk | V-ille, thats evil |
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| 19:40.56 | lcuk | worse is replacing it with something else |
| 19:40.58 | V-ille | maybe that's what already happened to him :) |
| 19:40.58 | andax | replacement parts are always frickin' expensive |
| 19:40.58 | kerio | V-ille: how the hell am i going to find someone with a n900 |
| 19:41.24 | V-ille | kerio: go to the management floor :P |
| 19:41.37 | kerio | >management |
| 19:41.39 | javispedro | hey, if you get to buy a new stylus from nokia do tell |
| 19:41.39 | ShadowJK | try meego summit |
| 19:41.40 | kerio | >iphone |
| 19:42.12 | javispedro | couldn't get the original T|X flipcover from Palm even after telling them I would pay whatever they told me |
| 19:42.25 | javispedro | funny conversation. |
| 19:42.50 | mgedmin | lost two styluses for his Palm Tungsten T |
| 19:43.17 | lcuk | i was once sent a whole new cd drive and interface set after a conversation with tech support about some salvaged device |
| 19:43.36 | ShadowJK | javispedro, did you threaten to buy 51% of their stock |
| 19:44.02 | SpeedEvil | I bought 80% of the stock of a supermarket once. |
| 19:44.10 | SpeedEvil | They only had 5 packets. |
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| 19:46.07 | javispedro | ShadowJK: I guess I should have. |
| 19:46.22 | javispedro | Had to buy the flipcover from a random ebayer that managed to send me the wrong one twice. |
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| 19:51.56 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?XTCsid=e8237142d04e809bb6e98cffac40182b&keywords=n900+stylus&x=0&y=0 |
| 19:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | 4,89 EUR |
| 19:53.11 | DocScrutinizer | I 'recommend' this shop, shipping and goods were ok, when I bought a qwerty keymat |
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| 19:54.55 | DocScrutinizer | (funny sidenote: 3 x 1stylus is cheaper than a pkg of 3 |
| 19:54.58 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
| 19:55.17 | lcuk | drags out his .net code and plays on windows |
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| 19:57.21 | tripzero | lcuk, ew |
| 19:57.24 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, duh, it costs extra to have a guy open up the 1X packages and repackage them into a 3X package |
| 19:57.27 | tripzero | mono ftw? |
| 19:57.57 | lcuk | tripzero, i just wanna see how well it will run on an a modern windows phone |
| 19:58.07 | tripzero | wp7? |
| 19:58.07 | lcuk | i havent run .net stuff in years since my loox perished |
| 19:58.50 | ShadowJK | on halloween he shows kids Visual Basic code, and they're a bit nervously frightened, then he says "I used to write this and I loved it", and the kids scream in horror and run away |
| 19:58.57 | pupnik_ | very nice DocScrutinizer - 20 euro for a qwerty keypad |
| 19:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: well, It's been worth it |
| 20:00.03 | DocScrutinizer | I *hate* the German wertzu without up/down cursor keys |
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| 20:00.26 | javispedro | wait. are those actual nokia parts? |
| 20:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:00.32 | javispedro | bookmarks |
| 20:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | :-) that's what my links are meant for :-) |
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| 20:02.06 | lcuk | ShadowJK, not real different from python :P |
| 20:02.26 | lcuk | mental note: visual studio will not install on linux. |
| 20:02.36 | javispedro | yeah, all vs.net versions |
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| 20:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html for all those who managed to ruin their sliding mechanics **or the FPC/B2B-connector** |
| 20:09.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4369_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Touchscreen.html == alternative to 3 times Vircutti screen protector (or whatever it's called) |
| 20:10.24 | javispedro | ooh, cover. |
| 20:10.38 | javispedro | front bezel would be nice, it gets too scratched up too easily. |
| 20:11.34 | DocScrutinizer | bezel? this: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4765_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover.html ?? |
| 20:12.00 | javispedro | did not disassemble it yet so I cannot recognize, but seems so. |
| 20:12.27 | javispedro | ah, this one |
| 20:12.28 | javispedro | http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4766_Original-Nokia-N900-A-Cover-Set-2pcs.html |
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| 20:13.50 | javispedro | oh, battery covers. |
| 20:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | pick your own favourite from http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/advanced_search_result.php?keywords=n900&x=0&y=0 |
| 20:14.15 | Macer | 60eu for the screen? |
| 20:14.27 | javispedro | just touchscreen seems |
| 20:14.32 | javispedro | screen is 100eu |
| 20:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | no, for the front-plastic incl touchpad and earpiece |
| 20:15.20 | Macer | mine is still in pretty good shape but that would be nice to keep around |
| 20:15.27 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 20:15.43 | javispedro | yeah, nice find. danke schön! |
| 20:16.01 | DocScrutinizer | makes more sense than 3 x 20EUR for screen protectors (at least in my book) |
| 20:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
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| 20:20.21 | kerio | so... i lost my stylus |
| 20:20.27 | kerio | cheap replacements? |
| 20:20.54 | marmoute | wood one |
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| 20:26.47 | DocScrutinizer | alternative source for stylii et al: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=2 |
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| 20:28.31 | andax | Is there a maemo compatible Zeiss Cinemizer Plus or other video glasses? Or is this fun for iphone users only? |
| 20:28.45 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: you've been offline or what? read backscroll! |
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| 20:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: >>Varastosaldo: 2 kpl<< for the 1 pcs qty stylus, >>Varastosaldo: 10 kpl<< for the pkg of 3 |
| 20:32.05 | kerio | in €? |
| 20:32.20 | DocScrutinizer | that's qty available on stock AIUI |
| 20:32.25 | kerio | ooh |
| 20:32.26 | kerio | i see |
| 20:32.30 | kerio | that 1.9€ is the shipping? |
| 20:32.40 | kerio | i bought one from an italian ebay seller for 4.90€ shipped |
| 20:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | guess yes |
| 20:32.48 | andax | Ah, seems Zeiss demonstrated one Cinemizer for Nokia at CeBit but they dont offer it on the Zeiss homepage |
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| 20:38.24 | crashanddie | Stallmania, The Musical. Includes the top hits: If you vim me now, Canon in D minor by Bashelbel, GNU me a river, Highway to H(ttp), Hurds don't come easy. See it now ON ICE! IN 3D! |
| 20:41.09 | crashanddie | "If you vim me now, you'll edit away the biggest part of me. GNU GNU GNU GNU-gnu, baby please don't :q!" |
| 20:42.22 | kerio | Coder Friendly Luser Shifter |
| 20:42.27 | DocScrutinizer | yet another one (so not to get flamed for product placement here :-P): http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/product_search.php search for N900 |
| 20:43.07 | crashanddie | kerio: the acronym for those words sounds like "cee-fil-lis" (syphilis) |
| 20:43.19 | kerio | Use just once and destroy/Invasion of our piracy/Afterbirth of a nation/Starve without your skeleton key |
| 20:43.25 | kerio | see, it fits |
| 20:44.49 | crashanddie | man, I'm bored. |
| 20:45.05 | steinex | crashanddie: haha |
| 20:45.05 | crashanddie | If I have to invent musicals about Stallman, it should say something about my boredom. |
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| 20:48.09 | crashanddie | "Well I'm just a stallman, Linus' so far my best friend, But my hurds are coming out wrong and I reveal my heart to you and hope that you believe it's true, cause: Hurds, don't come easy to me. How can I find a way to you see, I love you, Hurds don't come easy" |
| 20:49.19 | crashanddie | "This is just a simple licence, that I've made for you on my own, There's no hidden meaning you know, when I OPEN you honey, Please believe I really do" |
| 20:49.51 | pupnik_ | heheh |
| 20:50.52 | kerio | RMS scares me :< |
| 20:51.53 | crashanddie | Highway to http: "Living easy, living free. Season ticket on a one way stream. Asking nothing, leave me be. Taking everything on the tube, Don't need reason, don't need rhyme. Ain't nothing I would rather do, Going down, HAMMER TIME. My friends are gonna be leeching too." |
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| 20:52.31 | crashanddie | "I'm on a highway to http, No stop signs, speed limit. Nobody's gonna slow me down (except for the ISP's idiot)" |
| 20:52.55 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: video or it never happened! :-P |
| 20:53.59 | crashanddie | "Like a tube, gonna milk it, nobody's gonna mess me around. Hey Gates, payed my dues, playing in an open source communityyyy, hey momma, look at meeeeeeeeeeee" |
| 20:54.24 | khertan | have probably brick his Meego Netbook 1.0 os while trying to upgrade it to 1.1 |
| 20:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | hahaha |
| 20:54.38 | crashanddie | "I'm on my way to 404 land, I'm on a highway to httpeeeeeeee -- don't stop meeeeeee" |
| 20:54.40 | tripzero | wups |
| 20:55.18 | khertan | i'm want gtg on Maemo and with a sync ... :) |
| 20:55.29 | khertan | should do it but lacks of time |
| 20:55.41 | crashanddie | khertan: story of my life, bro. |
| 20:55.44 | khertan | :) |
| 20:56.14 | DocScrutinizer | burps and wonders if a 3rd latte macciato might help... |
| 20:56.36 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: depends, do you put whisky in your macchiato? |
| 20:57.07 | DocScrutinizer | should call the white dressed dudes with the comfy jacket, to give him a break |
| 20:57.27 | crashanddie | if (DocScrutinizer.hasReply() && DocScrutinizer.nextReply() == True): |
| 20:57.46 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:57.50 | crashanddie | else: |
| 20:57.58 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:58.06 | DocScrutinizer | too bad, I *hate* whisky |
| 20:58.24 | crashanddie | s/whisky/[insert favourite booze]/g |
| 20:58.34 | crashanddie | I'll just go troll 4chan. |
| 20:58.36 | DocScrutinizer | (too much black&white at age of 12 :-P) |
| 20:58.45 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you racist :P |
| 20:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:59.02 | crashanddie | anyone got something for me to do? |
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| 20:59.07 | MohammadAG51 | sure |
| 20:59.12 | DocScrutinizer | rape repo |
| 20:59.21 | MohammadAG51 | change the stars when closing a window to a flame |
| 20:59.23 | MohammadAG51 | kthxbye |
| 20:59.52 | crashanddie | reminds me of the guy who got trolled on one of those anonymous chat websites |
| 21:00.25 | crashanddie | "Where u from?" "Japan, u?" "USA" "HAHA, Japan fucks USA" "Nagasaki" [disconnected] |
| 21:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | let's start a DDoS to tmo. :-P So at least we are prepared for what's coming, and also we might control when it ends |
| 21:01.05 | crashanddie | I can probably take tmo down |
| 21:01.46 | crashanddie | but I'd most probably be perm-banned after that :P |
| 21:01.54 | DocScrutinizer | it's probably easy to take it down (;-P), but not that simple to stop the whole mess then |
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| 21:02.12 | crashanddie | well, we can test |
| 21:02.23 | mikki-kun | ~ |
| 21:02.23 | crashanddie | I run my magic for 30s, you tell me if it's down or not. |
| 21:02.39 | DocScrutinizer | btw there's still that nice thing about unescaped HTML tags in garage :-P |
| 21:03.20 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: anything else? |
| 21:03.42 | DocScrutinizer | ponders how to make money out of a few million clicks to an arbitrary URL :-P |
| 21:04.15 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: ads? |
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| 21:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, probably |
| 21:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I'm not so much into that |
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| 21:04.55 | crashanddie | I've heard about this |
| 21:05.00 | crashanddie | "ad" thing on the interwebs |
| 21:05.04 | crashanddie | never noticed them, though. |
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| 21:06.21 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: here, might be of use: http://www.wikihow.com/Overcome-Loneliness-Through-Meditation-and-Positive-Thinking |
| 21:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | tmo still alive - which by itself is rather astonishing, given the fact weekend is about to start |
| 21:06.36 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: you never said go! |
| 21:06.42 | DocScrutinizer | GO! |
| 21:06.44 | crashanddie | hang on |
| 21:06.47 | crashanddie | need to clear some ram |
| 21:06.50 | crashanddie | this sucker is hungry |
| 21:07.25 | andax | crashanddie: you can gedit if you relay want |
| 21:07.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe, good one |
| 21:08.01 | andax | :-) |
| 21:08.04 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: going. |
| 21:08.07 | DocScrutinizer | but you must tryyy, tryyy any tryyyyyy |
| 21:08.20 | DocScrutinizer | yo, down |
| 21:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | back to normal |
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| 21:08.42 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:08.45 | crashanddie | yup, cut it |
| 21:08.57 | DocScrutinizer | BACON! |
| 21:09.01 | crashanddie | MOAR? |
| 21:09.09 | crashanddie | reggie is going to hate me :( |
| 21:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 21:09.23 | crashanddie | his log files just exploded |
| 21:09.39 | crashanddie | he just about 4000 entries screaming "HTTP BAD REQUEST" |
| 21:09.39 | DocScrutinizer | how's about some lolcatz on frontpage? |
| 21:09.58 | DocScrutinizer | cackles evilly |
| 21:10.11 | crashanddie | it's amazing that just 4000 connections can bring most websites down |
| 21:10.15 | crashanddie | and about 50KBps |
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| 21:10.25 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 21:10.46 | crashanddie | I'm still banned from riaa.org :( |
| 21:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | logging is heavy, recovery of borked threads is heavy |
| 21:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | aaaaaw |
| 21:11.09 | crashanddie | well, this is just me clogging up all the listen() sockets |
| 21:11.47 | DocScrutinizer | every apache has a max-threads setting I guess |
| 21:11.56 | crashanddie | just sending a tiny bit of data, like "HTTP 1." and then waiting until the socket dies |
| 21:12.15 | crashanddie | and because you're sending a tiny bit of starting-to-be-valid data, the server indulges |
| 21:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:13.44 | crashanddie | last time i tried this tool |
| 21:13.51 | crashanddie | i did it on a friend's website I helped develop |
| 21:13.54 | crashanddie | it runs django |
| 21:13.57 | crashanddie | server fell over |
| 21:14.02 | crashanddie | django flooded its own logs |
| 21:14.12 | crashanddie | attack was maybe 1 minute |
| 21:14.18 | crashanddie | django spent the 6 hours trying to get back up |
| 21:14.21 | DocScrutinizer | let's take the repo as hostage and demand for proper setup to support -testing and -devel on PR1.2 :-P |
| 21:14.45 | korhojoa | :DDD |
| 21:15.13 | crashanddie | gentlemen, start your perl scripts |
| 21:15.47 | crashanddie | so, anyone got scripting, coding, anything to do? |
| 21:15.51 | crashanddie | fuck it, i'll do the dishes even! |
| 21:16.26 | DocScrutinizer | we first need to send blackmail with our demands |
| 21:16.54 | crashanddie | "OH HAI, CAN WEE HAZ TESTING ABYLITEES?" |
| 21:17.22 | DocScrutinizer | "Don't mess with us, we shown we're EVIL" |
| 21:17.57 | crashanddie | "We manipulated /b/ to attack Scientology. Think what they'll do to Nokia if we let them loose." |
| 21:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | nokia: "*shrug*" - turns away |
| 21:18.53 | crashanddie | /b/tards, start your LOICs! |
| 21:19.14 | MohammadAG | <crashanddie> +MohammadAG51: anything else? |
| 21:19.19 | MohammadAG | nope, fanks |
| 21:19.19 | DocScrutinizer | next monday there'll be an add on tablets.nokia.com to join scientology |
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| 21:19.54 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, seriously, bringing down tmo on a weekend? |
| 21:19.59 | MohammadAG | you must have better things to do |
| 21:20.10 | crashanddie | well |
| 21:20.12 | crashanddie | gf is working |
| 21:20.16 | crashanddie | I could fap, but it |
| 21:20.21 | crashanddie | it's too early. |
| 21:20.46 | crashanddie | Colleagues are either spending time with their kids, or fucking morons |
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| 21:21.11 | jacekowski | i did that |
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| 21:21.19 | GAN900 | Haha |
| 21:21.30 | jacekowski | i was going out with a girl that had no brain at all |
| 21:21.31 | MohammadAG | that =? |
| 21:21.32 | GAN900 | Adjective, verb or both? |
| 21:21.46 | crashanddie | GAN900: adjective |
| 21:21.52 | jacekowski | unless "fucking morons" was supposed to mean something else |
| 21:22.09 | jacekowski | hmm, after analysing structure of that sentence |
| 21:22.17 | crashanddie | (example: dude spent 2 hours on the phone IN FRONT OF MY FUCKING OFFICE, talking about World of Warcraft, and managing his guild, then comes into my office and says "man, I'm tired, my head is aching. And you look like you've done fuck all all day") |
| 21:22.37 | jacekowski | i believe that was supposed to meant something else |
| 21:22.56 | crashanddie | GAN900: I guess "spending time with their kids" could be the same as "fucking morons". Depending on the kid, obviously. |
| 21:23.26 | crashanddie | I can't believe I just fucking said that on a logged channel. |
| 21:23.53 | crashanddie | so, short answer, MohammadAG, no, I really don't have anything better to do. |
| 21:24.22 | GAN900 | crashanddie, clearly you should join his guild. |
| 21:24.23 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, DDoS logs, duh! |
| 21:24.35 | jacekowski | my server would survive |
| 21:24.39 | MohammadAG | I don't get what WoW is about |
| 21:24.40 | GAN900 | Go out and take some pictures. |
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| 21:24.41 | crashanddie | jacekowski: it would? |
| 21:24.43 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:24.54 | crashanddie | jacekowski.org? |
| 21:25.07 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:25.07 | GAN900 | MohammadAG, well, there are two groups: idiots who think they're good, and idiots who think they're rebels. . . . |
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| 21:25.37 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: is jacekowski.org still up? |
| 21:25.41 | MohammadAG | gets popcorn |
| 21:25.54 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, yes, it is |
| 21:25.59 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 21:26.01 | crashanddie | let's try again |
| 21:27.45 | crashanddie | still up? |
| 21:27.53 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:27.56 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 21:28.08 | crashanddie | It's not just you! http://jacekowski.org looks down from here. |
| 21:29.01 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, Just a bit of software i patched long time ago and decided to share now. ... |
| 21:29.14 | MohammadAG | looks up from here |
| 21:29.40 | KMFDM | GAN900, what about idiots who think they are good rebels :p |
| 21:30.38 | Psi | hm.. so i removed quake3 before updating to pr1.3, can i just reinstall it now or do i need to wait for a new version of quake3? |
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| 21:31.04 | jacekowski | crashanddie: try again |
| 21:31.11 | PaulFertser | Psi: hey, is that really you?! :) |
| 21:31.15 | Psi | yep |
| 21:31.20 | Psi | hey |
| 21:31.29 | PaulFertser | Psi: wow, i'm rather pleased to see you. |
| 21:31.34 | Psi | heh |
| 21:31.35 | lcuk | psi, you mean quake 4? *GRIN* |
| 21:31.53 | Psi | heh |
| 21:31.57 | crashanddie | jacekowski: going |
| 21:32.27 | crashanddie | jacekowski: it doesn't survive the initial burst, but drops me after the initial connections have been dropped? |
| 21:32.56 | crashanddie | still up? |
| 21:33.03 | lcuk | crashanddie, take your ddosing activities elsewhere |
| 21:33.13 | crashanddie | lcuk: he asked me! |
| 21:33.52 | jacekowski | crashanddie: i'm tweaking connection limits and stuff |
| 21:34.00 | crashanddie | k |
| 21:38.08 | crashanddie | ~ping |
| 21:38.09 | infobot | ~pong |
| 21:38.15 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:38.17 | jacekowski | try now |
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| 21:38.18 | crashanddie | hmm, I dos'd my router there for a second |
| 21:38.26 | crashanddie | lol :P |
| 21:38.40 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm not even denting it |
| 21:38.47 | crashanddie | jacekowski: do you see my connections at least? |
| 21:38.57 | jacekowski | some of them |
| 21:39.23 | crashanddie | where the hell are you hosted, want :P |
| 21:39.38 | jacekowski | sysinfo.jacekowski.org/ |
| 21:41.53 | kerio | LOL REISERFS |
| 21:41.59 | crashanddie | murderer :P |
| 21:42.04 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:42.15 | jacekowski | after i tweaked apache settings |
| 21:42.19 | crashanddie | jacekowski: that's not me :P |
| 21:42.21 | jacekowski | and i'm running apachebench from localhost |
| 21:42.26 | crashanddie | ah, ok |
| 21:42.33 | crashanddie | jacekowski: OVH has DoS protection |
| 21:42.53 | jacekowski | and it's php that starts having problem |
| 21:42.56 | jacekowski | not apache |
| 21:43.15 | jacekowski | 1007 requests currently being processed, 193 idle workers |
| 21:44.44 | andax | is 'dpkg --configure -a || apt-get install -f'-ing because the storage was full what broke the package db because of that... |
| 21:44.48 | andax | : _cache->open() failed, please report. |
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| 21:47.36 | andax | what else could i try to sort it out? |
| 21:47.37 | crashanddie | jacekowski: I'm impressed :) |
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| 21:48.58 | DrGrov | What could I use my N900 for since I do not tend to use it as a phone? Any cool suggestions? |
| 21:49.09 | DrGrov | It is just there without any purpose... |
| 21:49.23 | zokier | irc works nicely on it... |
| 21:49.56 | DrGrov | zokier: Oh, that would be a nice thing. I tend to use only WiFi on it and no SIM card so that is definitely a cool thing to use it for. |
| 21:50.01 | DrGrov | zokier: thanks :) |
| 21:50.57 | andax | DrGrov: i use it to stream internet radio into my fm radio from my hifi stereo equipment |
| 21:52.10 | andax | DrGrov: me too, i do not use the SIM card functionality |
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| 21:54.00 | DrGrov | andax: Ok. That is another good thing to use it for then :) |
| 21:54.10 | DrGrov | andax: Thanks |
| 21:54.17 | crashanddie | jacekowski: how much are you paying for that machine? 80 quid a month? |
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| 21:54.33 | andax | DrGrov: i recommend 16bit.fm russian electronic music channel without commercial ads |
| 21:54.36 | johnsq | Hi |
| 21:54.45 | DrGrov | I kind of feel that I do not want to sell it and it use it for something cool as you zokier and andax recommended. |
| 21:55.00 | DrGrov | andax: Yes, sounds great. Commercial ads are a PITA. |
| 21:55.38 | andax | indeed :) |
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| 21:56.36 | jacekowski | ah |
| 21:56.42 | jacekowski | my eaccelerator was broken |
| 21:56.47 | jacekowski | that's why it was so slow |
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| 21:57.07 | jacekowski | crashanddie: almost somewhere around that |
| 21:57.28 | jacekowski | Requests per second: 118.75 [#/sec] (mean) |
| 21:57.35 | jacekowski | full php and mysql pages |
| 21:58.22 | crashanddie | damn |
| 21:58.32 | jacekowski | Requests per second: 1217.27 [#/sec] (mean) |
| 21:58.35 | jacekowski | simple phpinfo |
| 21:58.37 | crashanddie | where is it hosted? in france? |
| 21:58.40 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:58.57 | andax | DrGrov: add http://16bit.fm:9000 to the media player for the main channel. You can activate the fm transmitter from within the media player |
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| 22:00.19 | ALoGeNo | hi there |
| 22:01.19 | andax | hi ALoGeNo |
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| 22:04.31 | jacekowski | hmm, mysql is doing over 5000q/s |
| 22:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: depends? |
| 22:11.09 | ds3 | 9 |
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| 22:16.26 | DrGrov | andax: Then I think I will use my computer instead though since it is connected to the home sound system. |
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| 22:21.46 | DocScrutinizer | DrGrov: I frequently use N900 to watch TV lifestreams |
| 22:23.18 | andax | DocScrutinizer: via zattoo? |
| 22:24.30 | DocScrutinizer | andax: nah, e.g http://www.3sat.de/mediathek/?mode=aktuell |
| 22:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | microb->mediaplayer |
| 22:25.40 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: How does that really work? Works flawlessly? |
| 22:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | mostly WFM, on DSL-1MB setting, |
| 22:25.52 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: And sorry, still not sent you the two horned adapter :D |
| 22:26.11 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 22:26.31 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: I know that I should send it for you but time keeps running away with work. |
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| 22:27.11 | DocScrutinizer | it's not really important, as it doesn't block any of my projects. Just better I get it rather than you trash it |
| 22:27.59 | javispedro | oh, big news |
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| 22:28.18 | DrGrov | DocScrutinizer: yes, that is true. it is a shame to lay waste to an two horned adapter |
| 22:28.20 | javispedro | on pr1.2 behaviour while shutting down the device with unkillable process was to wd reboot |
| 22:28.32 | javispedro | on pr1.3 device hangs |
| 22:28.41 | javispedro | I thought pr1.2 behaviour was a feature, guess I was wrong. |
| 22:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | err, unkillable process? WTF is that? |
| 22:29.41 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: uninterruptable or whatever is called. waiting for read() on down nfs, etc. |
| 22:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | even PID-1 is killable afaik |
| 22:30.17 | javispedro | how to unmount a nfs mount, when remote is down, using messybox only? |
| 22:30.33 | andax | DocScrutinizer: ah, i see |
| 22:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | ouch, yes. If it gets stuck in a kernel function, even with a spinlock(?) that *might* actually get nasty |
| 22:31.25 | andax | DrGrov: the barcode reader app is nice too, i tried it on some products from the supermarket and realized that they try to kill me :) |
| 22:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: screwed |
| 22:31.37 | javispedro | issue is that now icd2 's been killed so even if I get the server back up n900 is hanged |
| 22:31.52 | javispedro | poor battery cover. How I miss a reset hole. |
| 22:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | drills a reset hole to javispedro 's battery cover :-D |
| 22:32.42 | DrGrov | andax: :) |
| 22:32.45 | DrGrov | andax: lol |
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| 22:33.31 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: oops, sorry for that useless hole. Actually on N900/BL-5J sort of contacts it's useless |
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| 22:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I could drill TWO holes for you, so you can short the battery with a paperclip |
| 22:35.05 | javispedro | I prefer a sw only solution |
| 22:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if it would ever recover |
| 22:35.07 | javispedro | I'm thinking |
| 22:35.39 | DocScrutinizer | JMP 0x00000000 ? |
| 22:35.47 | javispedro | what if long pressing power button kills wd feeder |
| 22:36.00 | DocScrutinizer | should suffice |
| 22:36.02 | javispedro | so a wd reboot would be guaranteed in ~30s |
| 22:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:36.27 | lardman|home | night all |
| 22:36.30 | javispedro | nite lardman|home |
| 22:36.35 | DocScrutinizer | but I'm sure you can trigger a hardware reset directly, without help of wd |
| 22:37.11 | javispedro | yes, but I want to let it initiate proper shutdown first, but also _guarantee_ it will eventually either shutdown or reboot |
| 22:37.39 | DocScrutinizer | somehow you have to be able to tell twl4030 "shut down NOW, unconditionally" |
| 22:38.37 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: there's some reason twl4030 register writes(? only writes) usually get locked and you need a special key sequence to unlock them |
| 22:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | that's how I got it |
| 22:40.04 | DocScrutinizer | nice exercise - how to trigger hw POR on N900 |
| 22:40.22 | javispedro | I would call the kernel |
| 22:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | cat /proc/kmem :-P |
| 22:40.57 | andax | DocScrutinizer: codecheck.info turned out to be most reliable and concise webresource for barcodes of stuff sold in germany and switzerland |
| 22:41.53 | andax | sometimes youre faster by typing the number by hand but its cooler with the camera barcode scan :) |
| 22:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | andax: :nod:, how would I integrate it to mbarcode? |
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| 22:43.10 | DocScrutinizer | I guess mbarcode needs a button to execute arbitrary shell cmd with %1 replaced by the actual barcode reading |
| 22:43.11 | andax | DocScrutinizer: there is a addon package "web resources" or something like that, its in it |
| 22:43.19 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 22:44.06 | andax | the url looks like this: http://www.codecheck.info/mobi/results?text=28108160 |
| 22:44.07 | javispedro | ponders |
| 22:44.18 | andax | number = barcode |
| 22:44.18 | javispedro | what I should do instead is port autofs to n900, then use that to mount nfs |
| 22:44.38 | javispedro | likes |
| 22:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: NFS is known to be a PITA and a bitch when it comes to stale locks |
| 22:45.39 | javispedro | yeah, so I think autofs with a short timeout makes sense here (mobile device, etc.) |
| 22:45.59 | javispedro | a pita I need to build kernel modules for it iirc |
| 22:46.17 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: iirc there are some options to teach NFS(-2?) to somewhat behave. But honestly everything else looks better than NFS |
| 22:46.58 | javispedro | not going to use cifs here :P |
| 22:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | sshfs for example seems can even reconnect |
| 22:47.13 | javispedro | fuse??? bah |
| 22:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | what's wrong with fuse? |
| 22:48.18 | javispedro | nothing per se, but I need no encryption here |
| 22:48.31 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 22:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | so maybe you're actually better off with samba |
| 22:50.53 | javispedro | basically, what I need is: a way to mount a directory from my workstation onto my n900, with posix semantics, and some performance, client caching also valuable. no need for encryption, security. and I also need to be able to umount it if for some reason I am away from LAN and cannot reach workstation. |
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| 22:59.00 | Psi | just fyi, if you mount a smb share on PC X from the n900 and then PC X is swithed off or unplugged the n900 can get into a state where it uses the battery very quick |
| 23:00.32 | Toaster` | Hi all. I seem to have lost my e-mail desktop widget (not on the desktop, not available to add), and am keen to get it back. I've tried to find its parent package to no avail. Any pointers? |
| 23:00.57 | Psi | its probably hidden under another icon |
| 23:01.38 | andax | client caching? o_O |
| 23:01.52 | andax | else i would think you just want SSH |
| 23:02.12 | Toaster` | Psi: I tried moving the other widgets about, but no joy. |
| 23:02.20 | Psi | hm.. |
| 23:02.43 | Psi | is it still missing after a reboot? |
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| 23:03.04 | Toaster` | I figure just re-installing the parent package might help, but I can't figure out what that is. |
| 23:03.13 | Toaster` | yes, several reboots. |
| 23:03.48 | Toaster` | and it was a while ago now, so I've forgotten what packages I've installed updated since then. |
| 23:04.29 | Psi | the widget is probably running ya just cant see it |
| 23:04.45 | Psi | otherwise it should be in the list of ones available to add |
| 23:05.15 | Psi | id try to find out how you manually remove a widget from the desktop |
| 23:05.25 | Psi | then see if its there and remove it |
| 23:05.47 | Psi | then you should be able to re-add it |
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| 23:34.42 | javispedro | aha |
| 23:34.54 | javispedro | discovers intr,soft nfs mount options |
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| 23:36.43 | mc_teo | hey |
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| 23:37.08 | javispedro | hm. |
| 23:37.23 | javispedro | so init scripts seem to fsck /home at boot? nice touch. |
| 23:37.23 | mc_teo | is there any AIM plugin for the conversations |
| 23:37.45 | javispedro | only if first mount fails, thought. hmpf. |
| 23:37.48 | mc_teo | or rather, integrated with conversations |
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| 23:45.49 | ds3 | nice... teh zoomed out view in PR1.3 shows video scaled down |
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| 23:54.17 | Gorroth | javispedro: was your popcorn good? i want you to know i pooped in it |
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| 23:55.37 | javispedro | that's so old my long-term memory already forgot about it. |
| 23:55.47 | Gorroth | that's old age |
| 23:55.57 | javispedro | no doubt. |
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