| 00:00.04 | guysoft42 | hi all, i am getting nasty memory-leaks from maemo-launcher here on maemo 4.. is there anything i can do about it? |
| 00:00.33 | DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: on 1.3? conversations like e.g. SMS? yes, there's aworkaround |
| 00:00.36 | guysoft42 | its making my device really hard to use, by the middle of the day i have to restart or kill maemo-launcher |
| 00:00.57 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: what is it, please? |
| 00:01.20 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456#c15 |
| 00:01.21 | povbot` | Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 |
| 00:01.40 | ebzzry | crosses his fingers |
| 00:01.43 | PaulFertser | guysoft42: on maemo4 folks use telescope, it's a nice launcher |
| 00:02.20 | guysoft42 | PaulFertser, to install it instead of maemo launcher?? |
| 00:03.19 | PaulFertser | guysoft42: i think yes |
| 00:03.34 | PaulFertser | guysoft42: seen that on the friend's device |
| 00:03.43 | guysoft42 | PaulFertser, i think maemo-launcher is an integral part of maemo4 |
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| 00:04.06 | guysoft42 | PaulFertser, is your friend running perhaps a different distro on it? |
| 00:04.34 | PaulFertser | guysoft42: he runs maemo4 with quite some updates from independent folks. |
| 00:04.41 | PaulFertser | guysoft42: i'll ask him tomorrow. |
| 00:04.41 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: and the bug now is trickle charging right from the beginning? |
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| 00:05.09 | guysoft42 | PaulFertser, ok, great, thanks, im installing telescope now to try out |
| 00:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: eh? |
| 00:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | I think I explained about the bug up ^^^ there |
| 00:05.45 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: what was mentioned before, the wall-charger bug damaging the battery |
| 00:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | it's damaging the battery as charging never hits charge-end threshold with the additional load from busy CPU |
| 00:06.59 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: the 500MHz thing but someone mentioned trickle charging |
| 00:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | same happens when you keep screen backlight on |
| 00:07.07 | chem|st | ah ok |
| 00:07.54 | chem|st | so it keeps it at 99.99% and never stopps |
| 00:09.09 | DocScrutinizer | the real culprit though is the increased power consumption that bites our ass for hostmode possibly, and for sure isn't nice for charging from external mintybox etc |
| 00:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | and yes, it keeps cell floating at 4.168V |
| 00:09.46 | DocScrutinizer | which is a bad thing to do, all cell manufs told me |
| 00:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/jrbme/bme_chargefloat_log |
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| 00:14.38 | ebzzry | This is what I'm getting: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 |
| 00:14.39 | povbot` | Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's |
| 00:15.35 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: I did your suggestion earlier, but Conversation still behaves the same way. |
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| 00:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | so please add to ticket 11450! |
| 00:21.11 | ebzzry | That's what I'm about to do. |
| 00:21.52 | ebzzry | I also noticed that the changes to these conversations do not reflect in ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db |
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| 00:42.31 | ebzzry | It's scary to see the "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s" from time to time. |
| 00:49.46 | Macer | lol. damn n900. cant believe how much i missed it after usoing a cliq for 2 weeks |
| 00:50.51 | Macer | wonder if dev on the ui will continue at all after it is abandoned |
| 00:51.23 | Macer | droid font looks good in xterm |
| 00:51.49 | Gorroth | hi |
| 00:52.11 | Gorroth | anyone here know if you can run armel builds in the maemo sdk's scratchbox? |
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| 00:52.26 | Gorroth | trying to run them directly when i'm FREMANTLE_ARMEL mode causes them to segfault |
| 00:53.04 | nox- | youd need qemu |
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| 00:53.35 | Gorroth | hmm |
| 00:53.45 | nox- | also look for madde, that one has a qemu that can emulate a complete n900 (as opposed to just processes) |
| 00:54.03 | Gorroth | i just need to run a process |
| 00:54.12 | Gorroth | nothing fancy; just a networking daemon |
| 00:54.30 | Gorroth | but i'll look for those if that's what i need |
| 00:55.27 | nox- | afaik there a qemu-arm too (qemu usermode), but i havent really tried that yet myself |
| 00:55.39 | nox- | (would emulate just a process) |
| 00:56.45 | nox- | http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE |
| 00:57.55 | Gorroth | thanks |
| 00:58.02 | Gorroth | i did just realize my scratchbox has qemu on it |
| 00:59.52 | nox- | qemu-arm, right? |
| 01:00.20 | Gorroth | nox-: qemu-arm-sb, which shows a usage message of "qemu-arm" when i run it with "-h" |
| 01:00.29 | Gorroth | allows me to pass "-cpu cortex-a8" |
| 01:00.29 | nox- | ok |
| 01:00.44 | Gorroth | i _think_ that is the right qemu to use then |
| 01:00.53 | nox- | would also be my guess |
| 01:01.00 | Gorroth | thanks |
| 01:01.00 | nox- | (for emulating a process) |
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| 01:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | hmmm, glaring at <ebzzry> It's scary to see the "Malfunction! Device shutdown in 10s" |
| 01:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | never seen that o.O |
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| 01:21.01 | MOUD | Hey all |
| 01:21.36 | MOUD | Is anyone dual booting maemo and meego? |
| 01:34.04 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: It's in bold text, BIG BOLD TEXT, during the Nokia logo display phase. |
| 01:34.35 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: As a non-Maemo developer, seeing that gives me goose bumps. |
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| 01:46.34 | rokr1 | hey guys anyone tried to resize easy debian |
| 01:46.39 | rokr1 | image ? |
| 01:47.58 | lcuk | ebzzry, hm |
| 01:48.17 | ebzzry | I couldn't produce a screenshot, of course. =) |
| 01:48.37 | ebzzry | What bugs me is that I have no clue if it's harmless or not. =) |
| 01:49.03 | lcuk | i found a screenshot actually |
| 01:49.36 | rokr1 | 2GB is not enough, i have installed a lot of apps including Vlc |
| 01:49.40 | lcuk | google isn't so spectacular at the moment, I have left a message where I might be able to find out more, have you been abusing your n900? |
| 01:49.42 | rokr1 | but vlc is slow |
| 01:51.08 | rokr1 | can anyone give me a idea about resizing easy debian' |
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| 01:51.53 | ebzzry | lcuk: If reflashing it for ~6 times for the past two days, yes. |
| 01:52.01 | ebzzry | lcuk: Otherwise, no. =) |
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| 01:53.07 | lcuk | ebzzry, does the device actually shutdown? |
| 01:53.26 | ebzzry | lcuk: Yes. |
| 01:53.49 | ebzzry | lcuk: I usually get it when I do a restore (from Backup app). |
| 01:53.59 | lcuk | hm |
| 01:54.17 | lcuk | explain more, its just once and then it boots happily? |
| 01:54.42 | ebzzry | (the conversations bugs, 11450, 11456, bugs me) |
| 01:54.55 | ebzzry | lcuk: Sometimes, more than once. Then it boots OK. |
| 01:55.09 | ebzzry | lcuk: I have been trying to reproduce it, but luck wasn't on my side. |
| 01:56.14 | lcuk | curious |
| 01:56.23 | ebzzry | lcuk: Google says that some people have experienced it, too. |
| 01:56.28 | lcuk | and it does not happen if you abstain from restoring |
| 01:56.32 | lcuk | ebzzry, yes |
| 01:56.49 | lcuk | but with the similar kind of response |
| 01:57.02 | lcuk | hence me asking about it. |
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| 01:57.37 | ebzzry | lcuk: Yes. It must be a bug. The odd thing is that I have been (ab)using my unit for the past months and I didn't see it until I upgraded to 1.3 |
| 02:02.32 | ebzzry | Another weird thing that happened to me tonight is that MicroB won't run. Tapping on desktop bookmarks, running it from the menu, and invoking it via DBUS won't work. |
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| 02:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | CAL |
| 02:16.40 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: CAL issue? |
| 02:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: <ebzzry> ... BIG BOLD TEXT, during the Nokia logo display phase. |
| 02:17.39 | DocScrutinizer | sounds like NOLO |
| 02:18.09 | DocScrutinizer | and allegedly NOLO will barf on CAL errors |
| 02:19.42 | DocScrutinizer | or NAND bad block management is flawed and NOLO itself resides on blocks that occasionally have read errors |
| 02:21.04 | ebzzry | define:CAL |
| 02:21.15 | DocScrutinizer | if Nokia cared to document WTF is going on with flasher, xloader, NOLO, bad block management, booting sequence from very beginning until kernel start... HELL, FIRE AND BRIMSTONE |
| 02:21.38 | DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: CAL is a parition in NAND where config data is stored |
| 02:21.43 | ebzzry | How much knowledge do we have about N900+Maemo boot process? |
| 02:21.57 | ebzzry | wishes wiki pages are more detailed |
| 02:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | well, about ZERO |
| 02:22.15 | nox- | :( |
| 02:22.23 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: =( that's sad. |
| 02:22.38 | chx | OK I am incredibly stupid but I can't seem to get the phone app (?) on the desktop. What am i doing wrong? |
| 02:22.55 | ebzzry | Somebody ought to step forward and maybe reverse engineer things, or someone with actual background on how Nokia does things. |
| 02:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | a few heroic dudes like jacekowski done some RE and disassembling, and lots of generic TI datasheets etc |
| 02:23.35 | ebzzry | DocScrutinizer: where are his efforts documented, assuming they are? |
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| 02:24.09 | DocScrutinizer | lol, there's some not yet finished effort to get some 5 lines into a wikipage :-P |
| 02:24.26 | ebzzry | heh =) |
| 02:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 +~2h |
| 02:28.54 | DocScrutinizer | search for jacekowski |
| 02:31.00 | ebzzry | Hmm. Interesting. |
| 02:31.19 | ebzzry | Anyway, how's the prealpha of Hen going? |
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| 02:32.20 | Macer | blah |
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| 02:35.00 | jpinx-eeepc | W00T updated and only lost a couple of apps :) I'll just re-install them... |
| 02:35.00 | jpinx-eeepc | battery life is a *major*issue - I can not get through a day - any suggestions? |
| 02:36.42 | krayon | What does everyone else use to backup their OVI purchases? |
| 02:36.54 | krayon | My solution is rather ... ugly to say the least. |
| 02:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | ebzzry: |
| 02:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 02:37.02 | infobot | hostmode is, like, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 |
| 02:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts |
| 02:37.49 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: okay |
| 02:38.37 | ebzzry | sweet jebus! |
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| 02:44.49 | chx | anoter stupid question, how to copypaste out of firefox? |
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| 02:46.44 | chx | OK figured that one out. Invisible cursor :/ |
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| 03:05.43 | chx | I am trying to use https://addons.mozilla.org/af/mobile/addon/52490/ this ... but the documention is clearly not for the mobile one. is there any other hidden menu / toolbar i can look at in Firefox? I found so far the left and right side already.... |
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| 03:45.22 | GAN900 | Everybody see sivang's email on -community? |
| 03:45.36 | rokr1 | is there any field test mode in N900?? |
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| 03:47.31 | johnx | GAN900, nope. was it today? |
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| 03:51.11 | Termana | good morning |
| 03:53.24 | luke-jr | rokr1: to do what? |
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| 03:59.42 | GAN900 | johnx, 10/27 |
| 04:00.05 | johnx | yeah. found it eventually |
| 04:00.20 | johnx | not going to dublin though, so I stopped reading at that point |
| 04:00.24 | GAN900 | Ah |
| 04:00.26 | GAN900 | Too bad |
| 04:00.32 | johnx | maybe next year |
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| 04:09.36 | KombuchaKip | I'm having problems with my N810's low volume. I am using mediabox with the volume all the way maxed out, but still too quiet. I just flashed to latest OS2008. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:11.23 | chx | http://portablespeakerreview.com/battery-powered-speakers/x-mini-2-capsule-speaker/ works for me. |
| 04:11.26 | chx | doh |
| 04:11.28 | chx | he left. |
| 04:12.04 | johnx | chx, he's also having problems with his attention span :) |
| 04:12.13 | chx | :D |
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| 04:21.06 | KombuchaKip | Sorry about that. Accidentally closed the window. |
| 04:21.08 | KombuchaKip | I'm having problems with my N810's low volume. I am using mediabox with the volume all the way maxed out, but still too quiet. I just flashed to latest OS2008. Any suggestions? |
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| 04:38.42 | chx | KombuchaKip: http://portablespeakerreview.com/battery-powered-speakers/x-mini-2-capsule-speaker/ works for me. |
| 04:42.02 | Macer | wow |
| 04:42.16 | Macer | opera mobile has gotten pretty great in maemo |
| 04:42.23 | Macer | almost seems better than microb |
| 04:42.54 | Macer | anybody know of a reliable way to update flash? |
| 04:43.05 | KombuchaKip | chx: Those look great, but I sadly won't have time to get them even if I ordered them now in time for the party where I'm using my N810 for jukebox. |
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| 04:43.37 | chx | jukebox..??? party???? then you surely have some amp and speakers? what? |
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| 04:49.54 | Macer | hm |
| 04:50.04 | Macer | android font is nice in xterm |
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| 05:00.10 | Macer | anybody know of any other phones that can vid chat over gtalk or skype with a front cam? |
| 05:01.07 | KombuchaKip | chx: Yes, I have some external speakers and an amp, but I'd rather not have to crank that up just in case something funny happens. |
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| 05:08.16 | krayon | KombuchaKip: You could try softvol maybe... Haven't tried it on maemo but mplayer has softvol and softvolmax parameter |
| 05:08.45 | krayon | KombuchaKip: It's better to turn up the amp volume though I'd think, rather than do it in software like that. |
| 05:08.57 | KombuchaKip | krayon: I would, but my mplayer keeps crashing whenever I play an ogg file. So I uninstalled it and do mediabox playback via gstreamer backend instead. |
| 05:09.03 | KombuchaKip | krayon: Yes, I think you're right. |
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| 05:26.41 | Gorroth | well, good news |
| 05:26.51 | Gorroth | i finally successfully built a working squid package for the n900 |
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| 05:27.20 | Gorroth | it's definitely only ready for extras-devel right now, but it does the basic work of a proxy |
| 05:27.32 | Gorroth | seems to miss the cache 100% of the time though; i probably configured it wrong |
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| 05:33.42 | RobbieThe1st | Hi, all |
| 05:35.14 | RobbieThe1st | So, just out of curiosity... in shell-scripting, $? gets the return value of the last command/function. Lets say I have a "complex" command like: "fsck -p -v /dev/ubi0_0 2> /tmp/fsckstatus & pid=$!" - How would I get the return value for the first part(i.e. fsck)? |
| 05:40.36 | Macer | oh. have a power save mode checkbox for the brightness in maemo? why didnt i see that before? |
| 05:40.48 | Macer | that auto dimming feature drives me nuts |
| 05:42.26 | Macer | need a better applet. this 5 box thing. 4 is too dim and 5 is too bright :) |
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| 05:43.57 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
| 05:44.21 | Macer | anybody using the bt hid scripts? |
| 05:45.41 | Macer | was wondering if anybody here has been using a bt kb on their n900 with the scripts. i kind of wanted to try one out |
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| 05:48.49 | petteri | RobbieThe1st: save to return value to variable after the command |
| 05:49.14 | RobbieThe1st | um... Can you give me an example please? |
| 05:49.25 | petteri | example; fsck; pid=$?; fscstatus |
| 05:52.03 | RobbieThe1st | In this case, I think I could make that work, but what I'm trying for is something that: A, runs a command in the background and sticks the pid in a variable, and B, once the command is done, gives me the return variable |
| 05:52.41 | RobbieThe1st | I have a loop providing data onscreen while the original process is working, which is what the pid is for |
| 05:52.54 | RobbieThe1st | Also, through that I know when the process exits. |
| 05:53.32 | RobbieThe1st | But, I'd like to be able to get the return code once it's done also... Hm.. |
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| 06:03.12 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: wait will give you the return code I THINK |
| 06:03.30 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: um, if this is a BASH script anyway. |
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| 06:05.34 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: The problem is you want to capture it's value after it terminates but NOT interrupt processing in the meantime :/ |
| 06:05.40 | RobbieThe1st | Yea |
| 06:05.53 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: I don't think this will work: cmd & pid=$!; while [ func_pidexists($pid) ]; do func_dostuff(); done; wait $pid |
| 06:06.23 | ieatlint | hey... c++ question (probably c too). if i want to build a hash table entirely with static content at compile time, is there a way to do it so the table is built into the finished binary instead of having the client rebuild the identical table each time? |
| 06:06.29 | RobbieThe1st | if wait $pid returns the code, that'll work fine |
| 06:06.40 | RobbieThe1st | Everything else I have working |
| 06:06.42 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Yes but I think pid must still be running when you call wait |
| 06:06.49 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Maybe not though |
| 06:07.09 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Otherwise I'd probably put that in another shell and pass it to yourself via a pipe or whatnot :/ |
| 06:07.14 | RobbieThe1st | man page time |
| 06:08.49 | RobbieThe1st | Nah, that won't do it - wait won't return $pid's exit code anyway I don't thinl |
| 06:09.32 | RobbieThe1st | Also, I'm somehow going to have to port what I need into a busybox/ash based ramdisk chroot, no matter my solution |
| 06:11.22 | RobbieThe1st | I wonder if something like "fsck; code=$? & pid=$!" would do it.. |
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| 06:12.41 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: No it'll hang on the fsck |
| 06:12.50 | RobbieThe1st | Darn |
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| 06:14.13 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: wait does work if the pid exists I'm pretty sure (provided it's YOUR shell's child that is) |
| 06:16.47 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Actually... |
| 06:16.51 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: It does work! |
| 06:17.02 | RobbieThe1st | Hm |
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| 06:19.45 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: http://pastebin.com/9TbfJuxL |
| 06:19.49 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Works using a function at least |
| 06:19.55 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Should work with another command |
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| 06:24.58 | RobbieThe1st | Hm, now the second problem - making it work with busybox's ash and a minimum of hassle |
| 06:25.42 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Ah, there I cannot help, _bash_ is my friend :P |
| 06:25.57 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, true. |
| 06:26.26 | RobbieThe1st | Believe me, things would have been so much easier with bash, but Nokia chose busybox as there built-in shell, so that's what I'm using... |
| 06:26.31 | krayon | I should have guessed that would work actually,, the wait, due to the fact that it requires the shell you're calling it from to be the parent, makes sense. |
| 06:27.24 | krayon | How about: if [ "$SHELL" != "/bin/bash" ]; then echo "Install bash"; exit 1; fi ? |
| 06:27.28 | krayon | :P |
| 06:30.12 | RobbieThe1st | Bingo! |
| 06:30.20 | RobbieThe1st | It works in Ash also! |
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| 06:31.09 | johnx | ieatlint, have your build tool create it and stick it in a header? am I missing something? |
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| 06:31.44 | RobbieThe1st | http://pastebin.com/35rs4zvv <- final test, which works |
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| 06:33.13 | RobbieThe1st | And yes, I'm not entirely sure -how- that while-loop works, but it seems to work properly |
| 06:36.34 | ieatlint | johnx: not something i've done before... mind giving me a url or a keyword or two to search for on google? |
| 06:38.21 | johnx | ieatlint, ah. try giving me a little context :) |
| 06:38.42 | johnx | so your hash table is like a two dimensional array of things, right? |
| 06:39.10 | ieatlint | i'm working off of qhash, so it's a tad more obfuscated |
| 06:40.13 | johnx | ah, ok. maybe my idea breaks down then |
| 06:40.22 | johnx | is it something you can easily store and get back later? |
| 06:40.36 | johnx | like put on disk and load at runtime? |
| 06:41.10 | ieatlint | yeah, i could.. but i'd rather not start storing files unless needed |
| 06:41.48 | ieatlint | would rather the binary be entirely self-contained... the current building of the list is not exactly that difficult (only has a couple dozen items) |
| 06:42.29 | ieatlint | i just seem to recall from a programing class a long while ago that you could build an object like this at compile time instead of on each run, but i may be on crack |
| 06:43.20 | johnx | well, you can build it, but you need to serialize it and keep it somewhere ... |
| 06:43.38 | johnx | and to build it you need to use some compiled code (I assume?) |
| 06:44.19 | ieatlint | yeah, serializing the data wouldn't be an issue, but it's not worth doing too much crazy stuff, simpler to just let it be |
| 06:44.50 | johnx | so, at build time the steps are: compile hash-making tool; create hash-table; append hash-table to source-file; compile main-program-with-included-serialized-hash-table |
| 06:44.54 | johnx | pardon the -'s |
| 06:45.21 | johnx | doing that with make shouldn't be all that hard |
| 06:47.03 | ieatlint | it's obfuscated enough that i'll likely just leave it as is... if i had a much larger set of data, may be worth doing |
| 06:47.33 | ieatlint | but that would be over-optimization for my current progress :P |
| 06:48.13 | johnx | ^this |
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| 06:55.03 | johnx | over-optimization is probably one of the easiest traps to fall into :) |
| 06:58.00 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 06:58.08 | ieatlint | i often fall victim to it |
| 06:58.12 | ieatlint | and bad things happen |
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| 07:48.22 | kerio | premature optimization is eeeeeevil |
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| 07:48.42 | kerio | and useless, because you end up optimizing stuff that the computer can do easily |
| 07:49.00 | kerio | while the real stuff that seems obvious to you is left unchanged |
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| 07:51.05 | Macer | damn |
| 07:51.20 | Macer | i dont think the bt hid scripts from devel work |
| 07:51.47 | Macer | anybody know where i can find some info on how to use it? does the device have to be paired first? |
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| 07:54.34 | ebzzry | Is there a wiki page describing the boot animation? |
| 07:54.43 | Macer | hm maybe it will do something when i pair it and then try to run it. i dont have the kb on me now |
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| 07:55.03 | Macer | but trying to run it now without anything.. it starts then closes |
| 07:55.03 | PaulFertser | Macer: in general pairing is necessary for BT devices. |
| 07:55.22 | Macer | PaulFertser: heh. but the hid stuff has a gui |
| 07:55.32 | Macer | 2 apps... hid connect and hid watcher |
| 07:55.42 | PaulFertser | Macer: but i'm know nothing about some scripts, i do manually by hand, reading the bluez documentation an sources when i'm unsure. |
| 07:55.49 | Macer | figured the connect one was to pair |
| 07:55.57 | Macer | PaulFertser: yeah.. i used to do that as well |
| 07:56.13 | Macer | i was able to get it to work but if i dont have to do it by hand that would be awesome |
| 07:56.26 | Macer | my n810 just let me pair and turn on the kb |
| 07:56.37 | PaulFertser | Macer: in fact bluez 4.0 d-bus api is so highlevel that any dbus introspection tool would be almost as good as a dedicated UI. |
| 07:57.32 | Macer | heh. yeah you would think |
| 07:57.43 | Macer | but this is what i have to work with ;) |
| 07:58.17 | Macer | i suppose i will have to just pair it up when i get the chance and see if something happens |
| 07:58.28 | Macer | but right now both apps will not run |
| 07:58.47 | Macer | wish i knew what the command was to run them so i could see a log or sometging |
| 07:59.58 | Macer | IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/user/.bt-hid-devices' |
| 07:59.58 | Macer | found it |
| 08:00.30 | Macer | guess it does have to be paired first then hid connect to set it up... i will work on it later |
| 08:00.43 | Macer | i loved being able to use my su8w with my n810 |
| 08:01.13 | Macer | now if only i could find cups for maemo so i could print from easydeb openoffice heh |
| 08:01.32 | Macer | i could get rid of needing a laptop :) |
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| 08:02.19 | johnx | patiently waits for a nice 7" tablet |
| 08:02.39 | johnx | then I'll hunt down one of those bluetooth foldy keyboards |
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| 08:02.55 | krayon | ebzzry: place file in /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/, name in file /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf |
| 08:03.11 | ebzzry | krayon: OK. Thanks. |
| 08:03.11 | johnx | am I the only one thinking the nook color will be awfully nice to hack? |
| 08:03.31 | krayon | ebzzry: I can upload a bunch I downloaded from the 54 page forum: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=862712 if you like too :P |
| 08:03.49 | krayon | ebzzry: They are kind of littered through the 54 pages :P |
| 08:03.50 | ebzzry | krayon: I'd love that. |
| 08:03.58 | krayon | And on hosts like megaupload and stuff :/ |
| 08:04.27 | ebzzry | =) |
| 08:04.37 | krayon | ebzzry: I'm on a slow link here atm so it may take a little while to upload :/ it's 100mb worth |
| 08:04.57 | ebzzry | krayon: I'll wait for the links |
| 08:05.01 | krayon | ebzzry: hmm, I know, I'll upload one at a time so you can download and look as they finish :P |
| 08:05.19 | ebzzry | krayon: cool |
| 08:05.22 | krayon | ebzzry: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo_boot_videos/ |
| 08:05.45 | ebzzry | krayon: Thanks! |
| 08:05.50 | krayon | ebzzry: They'll appear there when complete :D |
| 08:06.03 | ebzzry | krayon: Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. |
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| 08:07.11 | PaulFertser | BTW, anybode knows how to properly configure ke-recv to automount USB mass storage devices connected to an n900? I'm too lazy to read ke-recv's sources for that and i found no docs for this software. |
| 08:10.21 | krayon | ebzzry: Did I mention it was REALLY slow :/ |
| 08:10.56 | krayon | ebzzry: At least the d/l should be quick :D |
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| 08:15.57 | ebzzry | krayon: Thanks a lot! |
| 08:16.21 | krayon | ebzzry: I didn't bother getting any that had people's names in them |
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| 08:17.01 | krayon | ebzzry: All these are the generic ones only. Worth noting that leetut appears to be happily making people custom boot videos in the event they ask so worth keeping in mind too :) |
| 08:17.57 | krayon | ebzzry: There's about 30 odd I'm uploading now. |
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| 08:20.01 | ebzzry | krayon: OK. I'll keep that in mind. |
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| 08:31.03 | sivang | morning |
| 08:33.37 | krayon | ebzzry: OK, done, that's all I've got: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo_boot_videos/ |
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| 08:35.25 | Venemo | hey guys |
| 08:36.40 | Macer | johnx, get the walgreens one |
| 08:36.43 | Macer | heh |
| 08:37.09 | Macer | they had an android tablet for $99 |
| 08:37.27 | Venemo | who cares about android tablets? |
| 08:37.45 | Macer | can probably get maemo or meego on it |
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| 08:37.58 | Macer | it has been rooted already |
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| 08:38.44 | VladNistor-of | says hello |
| 08:38.57 | Venemo | hello VladNistor-of |
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| 08:39.11 | VladNistor-of | something weird happened to me this morning, my N900 started saying it has internal errors and it closes the Email appliction |
| 08:39.17 | VladNistor-of | hello Venemo |
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| 08:39.41 | VladNistor-of | i've reinstalled, purged, installed tha modest package |
| 08:39.45 | VladNistor-of | it didn't help |
| 08:39.54 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: what is your current firmware version on the N900? and what are the last few apps you installed on it? |
| 08:40.05 | VladNistor-of | if I run it from command line (modest -s) it segfaults |
| 08:40.15 | VladNistor-of | I have Pr 1.3 |
| 08:40.17 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: other question: are you overclocking? |
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| 08:40.51 | VladNistor-of | Venemo, I am overclocking, but not all the time. I wasn't this morning |
| 08:41.00 | VladNistor-of | let me check which apps I updated last night |
| 08:41.09 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: fw-version? |
| 08:41.36 | VladNistor-of | Venemo, i have 20.2010.36-2 |
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| 08:42.03 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: is the error still present? |
| 08:42.16 | VladNistor-of | yes, it is |
| 08:42.54 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: well, OCing might be a problem, but not necessarily |
| 08:43.00 | VladNistor-of | what is funny is that if I use the terminal and type "root" then modest -s, it opens the app fine, but I can't access MfE inbox, but the other imap ones seem to be fine |
| 08:43.58 | VladNistor-of | i last updated the FM Radio player and maybe QMF mail client, i'm unsure |
| 08:44.11 | Venemo | hm |
| 08:44.34 | VladNistor-of | i'm removing QMF, maybe it will help |
| 08:44.56 | Venemo | well I'm not sure |
| 08:45.23 | VladNistor-of | I'm supposed to be away from the office today later and tomorrow, so this is the worst time to lose company email :) |
| 08:45.56 | krayon | VladNistor-of: Maybe user data is corrupting it? You could try removing the directory containing the config stuff and re-setup. |
| 08:46.34 | VladNistor-of | krayon, i purged the app, so that should have taken care of that, but thanks |
| 08:46.39 | RobbieThe1st | krayon: How about this for your collection? http://www.4shared.com/video/iGOOBa-d/n900_extremely_short.html?cau2=403tNull |
| 08:46.52 | krayon | VladNistor-of: Does purging apps in maemo also remove user data? |
| 08:46.56 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: whatever is the dpkg equivalent of 'rpm -Va', you'd need that I think |
| 08:47.10 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: anyways, worst case, use the Backup app to back up your stuff, then ~flashing |
| 08:47.13 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 08:47.13 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 08:47.22 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 08:47.22 | infobot | Venemo: :) |
| 08:47.34 | VladNistor-of | i used aptitude, and it said it was removing the config files |
| 08:47.50 | VladNistor-of | it did not remove the emails, at least not the IMAP ones |
| 08:47.51 | tybollt | ~lol |
| 08:47.52 | infobot | i guess lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 08:48.12 | tybollt | ~stfu |
| 08:48.12 | infobot | :( |
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| 08:49.05 | VladNistor-of | yeah, flashing isn't really an option right now as I'm on my work window$ machine |
| 08:49.26 | tybollt | ~<3 |
| 08:49.26 | infobot | I love you. <3 |
| 08:49.28 | VladNistor-of | and i don't have super cow powers |
| 08:49.46 | RobbieThe1st | No super cow powers? D: |
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| 08:50.27 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: well there is a Windows version of Flasher |
| 08:50.32 | krayon | RobbieThe1st: Good call, didn't have that one :D |
| 08:50.45 | VladNistor-of | don't I need to be admin on windows? |
| 08:50.56 | RobbieThe1st | Tis my favorite! |
| 08:51.02 | tybollt | any JIRA ninjas around? |
| 08:51.19 | krayon | VladNistor-of: I only suggest it because it would make sense if even re-installing didn't work, and because it works as root. That implies to me, configuration in the user space. |
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| 08:54.20 | johnx | Macer, the nook color has an omap3621 . MeeGo seems like real possibility with it. Just waiting for someone else to root it for me :> |
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| 09:01.04 | Macer | johnx haha |
| 09:01.29 | Macer | i will be happy with my n900 using a btkb without me having to use xterm to do it |
| 09:01.57 | johnx | I'd be happy with a bit more screen real estate |
| 09:02.04 | Macer | when i did it manually i had some messed up things.. like the thing would only work properly with the phone open and stuff like that |
| 09:02.06 | johnx | and I'm not really sold on netbooks |
| 09:02.23 | Macer | heh. yeah but n900 fits in a pocket ;) |
| 09:02.45 | Macer | i would love to ditch a laptop altogether for a good phone and a bt kb |
| 09:03.11 | nidO | the best solution I ever found for that was my E90 + celluon BT laser keyboard |
| 09:03.30 | Macer | n900 is as close as it has gotten. actually. i think my n810 was better for it.. it had cups |
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| 09:03.32 | johnx | I have expansionist tendencies when it comes to my desktop. 3.5", 4" or even 5" just isn't quite enough for me ... |
| 09:03.37 | krayon | Problem is you go round in circles because you really want a keyboard that's big enough to type on and before you know it you're carrying a 10" keyboard that weighs the same as a netbook that size anyway :P |
| 09:03.49 | Macer | nidO: my n95 was pretty good |
| 09:03.52 | johnx | nidO, ah. I was wondering about that. how are those to type on? |
| 09:03.52 | Macer | ;) |
| 09:04.10 | Macer | i wanted the cams |
| 09:04.13 | nidO | johnx it takes getting used to and doesnt work on glass surfaces, but once you've used it for a bit, its great |
| 09:04.14 | johnx | krayon, I think I could be happy with a foldable bt keyboard |
| 09:04.30 | johnx | nidO, I think the lack of feedback would make me insane |
| 09:04.33 | nidO | the celluon one I have also has a function to switch the entire keyboard area to a trackpad as well, thats pretty neat |
| 09:04.36 | Macer | nidO: how big is it? |
| 09:04.42 | johnx | for the same reason that onscreen keyboards do |
| 09:04.43 | krayon | johnx: Yeah I'm considering risking that myself, there's a few on ebay for cheapish but I'm not sure if they're up to much :/ |
| 09:04.49 | nidO | you can have it give clicks on keypresses, but obviously theres no tactile response |
| 09:05.13 | johnx | krayon, I had a chance to use one of the stowaway ones. Quite nice actually |
| 09:05.24 | nidO | Macer: when off, its.. i dunno, slightly shorter than the n900, half as wide and perhaps twice as thick |
| 09:05.35 | Macer | wow. not bad |
| 09:05.51 | Macer | about the same size as my su8w it sounds |
| 09:05.55 | johnx | nidO, that sounds awfully close to the size of a folded stowaway bt keyboard ... |
| 09:06.06 | johnx | heh. you beat me to it Macer :) |
| 09:06.11 | nidO | the shitter is though this celluon one at least uses a serial bt connection, so needs a driver to work :< |
| 09:06.16 | Macer | johnx... but typing on it is probably better |
| 09:06.26 | Macer | full size kb for the same size as the bt |
| 09:06.39 | nidO | you do get an almost full size keyboard out of it though |
| 09:07.00 | nidO | minus a separate number pad, but its the same kinda size as your average decent laptop keyboard |
| 09:07.05 | Macer | nidO: have you tried it on the n900? |
| 09:07.33 | Macer | or does it require a driver that maemo doesnt have? |
| 09:07.44 | nidO | yeah, couldnt get it to work. it might be possible with all the manual setup info thats kicking around now but last I tried it I couldnt get the n900 to see it |
| 09:08.08 | Macer | ah that sucks |
| 09:08.12 | nidO | it does "need" a driver as its a serial connection, but supposedly you can work around serial limitations by manually mapping out all the config |
| 09:08.28 | Macer | i was able to get my su8w to work manually but it was a pain and would do stupid things |
| 09:08.31 | nidO | I could get the keyboard to see the n900 though but not the other wayround |
| 09:08.41 | Macer | like only work correctly with the phone open |
| 09:09.02 | nidO | its a shame really as it worked beautifully with my e90 |
| 09:09.06 | krayon | :/ I thought they'd be "standard" HID or something |
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| 09:09.06 | Macer | but hopefully these hid scripts do sometging i missed |
| 09:09.14 | Macer | yah.. same with my su8w |
| 09:09.26 | nidO | krakan: HID keyboards are standard |
| 09:09.33 | Macer | worked awesome on my n95 n800 and n810 |
| 09:09.42 | Macer | but like crap with my n900 |
| 09:09.45 | Macer | :) |
| 09:09.47 | nidO | but a lot of keyboards, this celluon one included, use serial bt connections instead which need a driver to map out the keys |
| 09:09.51 | krayon | My Microsoft bluetooth mouse works in Linux without issue at all, although I've not tried on the n900 yet. |
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| 09:09.57 | krayon | Oh I see :/ |
| 09:11.10 | Macer | i just want to get to my su8w in a bit to see if these hid scripts work |
| 09:11.13 | Macer | heh |
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| 09:11.45 | Macer | it will be nice to be able to just turn it on and be able to use it |
| 09:12.02 | Macer | at least i hope that is what is going to happen |
| 09:12.11 | Macer | i really cant justify a mouse :) |
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| 09:12.40 | nidO | hm, have there actually been advances in the past few months then in getting serial bt devices treated like HID and working then? |
| 09:13.03 | alterego | A mouse is a bit pointless, but I'd love to use a bt keyboard for hacking on the move ... |
| 09:13.12 | nidO | ignoring the blurrycam terribleness... http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3191/26092008038.jpg |
| 09:13.25 | nidO | thats what the laser keyboard looks like, taken a few years ago when i first got it |
| 09:13.53 | Macer | i was actually hoping for more of office use |
| 09:14.14 | Macer | speaking of which. did koffice for nmaemo ever come about? |
| 09:14.16 | alterego | I've seen those, quite neat. Though no tactile feed back. |
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| 09:14.44 | alterego | Macer: FreeOffice I think you're looking for. |
| 09:14.54 | krayon | What about these ones, anyone, they are "compatible" with a lot of devices, maybe standard hid? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280501624471 |
| 09:15.01 | Macer | really? |
| 09:15.08 | Macer | where is it? does it work? |
| 09:15.15 | Macer | maemo native? |
| 09:15.38 | alterego | Yes, I believe so, read something on tmo. |
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| 09:16.01 | Macer | hm. let me look around... it is probably just talk |
| 09:16.37 | nidO | krayon: the fact that it has a specific compatibility list and the photo shows it with a CD stamped "driver" indicates it uses serial bt |
| 09:16.54 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:17.16 | krayon | nidO: I thought that too but it does say ipad and I figured they were not really "install a driver" friendly. |
| 09:17.23 | Macer | alterego: dont mean from you |
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| 09:17.31 | Macer | mean it is probably vaporware |
| 09:17.32 | krayon | nidO: PS3 too |
| 09:17.53 | alterego | Macer: yeah, might just be document viewer for all I know. |
| 09:18.23 | alterego | I've not looked into it seriously, I just pick things up from topic titles :) |
| 09:18.24 | Venemo | hi alterego |
| 09:18.33 | alterego | Hey Venemo :) |
| 09:18.36 | krayon | hmmm I might risk it, and report back :P God knows I've wasted more money in the past on silly things like Toshiba PocketPC's and my OpenMoko :P |
| 09:18.52 | Macer | it is in devel |
| 09:18.59 | alterego | Venemo: did you manage to get your switch to task switcher button working? |
| 09:19.01 | Macer | let me check it out.. brb |
| 09:19.12 | Macer | freoffice |
| 09:19.47 | Venemo | alterego: well it was sufficent that I could find the solution, I didn't bother with it much |
| 09:19.53 | Venemo | alterego: lack of time :( |
| 09:20.21 | Macer | faster pkg manager is so much better than the stock one :) |
| 09:20.49 | Macer | er. app manager |
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| 09:21.13 | alterego | Venemo: it's just I knocked up an example if you want it. |
| 09:21.41 | Venemo | alterego: oh, thanks :) |
| 09:21.58 | VladNistor-of | had to help a coleague with shmth |
| 09:21.58 | Macer | whats up with the ovi repo? |
| 09:22.09 | Macer | not that anybody actually uses it but still |
| 09:22.37 | ebzzry | krayon: Thanks! |
| 09:22.39 | alterego | Venemo: I'll upload it in a bit, just having a coffee. (Not turned on my laptop yet) :) |
| 09:22.40 | Macer | :) |
| 09:23.03 | VladNistor-of | alright, so regarding my previous issue, the best suggestions is reflashing I guess... |
| 09:23.26 | Macer | office file viewer |
| 09:23.27 | Macer | ugh |
| 09:23.36 | Macer | so it seems like it is just a viewer |
| 09:23.38 | VladNistor-of | is there a way to find out the internal error in the email application, the reason for which it actually closes? |
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| 09:24.50 | alterego | Macer: sorry :( |
| 09:24.58 | krayon | VladNistor-of: I still think user data fwiw :P |
| 09:25.05 | alterego | There's always gnumeric and abiword |
| 09:25.22 | krayon | ebzzry: No probs, there's another one there too, the one RobbieThe1st recommended earlier. |
| 09:25.30 | VladNistor-of | krayon, what if I were to erase the office email account which seems to not work? would that maybe fix my internal error problem? |
| 09:25.51 | ebzzry | krayon: Thanks for the tip. |
| 09:25.54 | Macer | hm |
| 09:26.04 | Macer | is abiword and gnumeric in extras? |
| 09:26.14 | Macer | i have devel enabled now |
| 09:26.17 | Venemo | Macer: yes |
| 09:26.26 | krayon | VladNistor-of: I have no idea regarding maemo/N900 specifics, however I would try renaming the directory that contains the data and try to run it then. |
| 09:26.31 | Macer | i would prefer not to install devel stuff when possible |
| 09:26.45 | alterego | :) |
| 09:26.48 | Macer | ok. let me disable devel and install abiword and gnumeric |
| 09:26.59 | Venemo | Macer: I'm not sure though |
| 09:27.03 | VladNistor-of | thanks for your help krayon :) |
| 09:27.06 | krayon | VladNistor-of: I don't have any knowledge of where the email app stores it's config and data however :/ |
| 09:27.15 | Venemo | Macer: maybe in -testing |
| 09:27.17 | Macer | Venemo: uhm |
| 09:27.24 | e-yes | ~flatbatrecover |
| 09:27.24 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 09:27.33 | Macer | i will disable devel and check if not i will try testing |
| 09:27.46 | VladNistor-of | hehe, it was the MfE crap, I can now launch the app without it segfaulting or whatnot |
| 09:27.51 | Venemo | Macer: check the maemo.org package interface |
| 09:27.59 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: glad you solved it :) |
| 09:28.06 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: how did you figure it out? |
| 09:28.16 | VladNistor-of | yeah, thanks for your help in troubleshooting the issue Venemo, krayon |
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| 09:28.21 | ebzzry | krayon: Just keep uploading and I'll be happy to download them all. |
| 09:29.11 | VladNistor-of | Venemo, I ran the "root" "modest -s" commands and it opens the application, but the mail for exchange account wasn't updateing or doing anything, so I just erased it and it now works. I have to set it up again now :) |
| 09:29.35 | Macer | sure wish i wasnt on 3G now |
| 09:29.47 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: ah... |
| 09:29.47 | Macer | app manager takes forever |
| 09:29.56 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: where does this 'modest -s' come from? |
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| 09:30.03 | johnx | Macer, you can switch to edge :) |
| 09:30.07 | Venemo | Macer: 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' |
| 09:30.31 | VladNistor-of | Venemo, if you run modest from terminal it says to do modest -s to get it with UI :) |
| 09:30.49 | Macer | Venemo: i dont want to do that |
| 09:31.02 | Venemo | Macer: then don't do that |
| 09:31.08 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: ah. |
| 09:31.14 | Macer | then it will upgrade everything from testing... :) |
| 09:31.31 | VladNistor-of | Venemo, so maemo told me and showed me everything i needed to know, lol :)) |
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| 09:32.10 | Venemo | VladNistor-of: nice :) |
| 09:32.17 | Macer | yeah. abiword and gnumeric are still both in devel |
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| 09:32.28 | Macer | lame sauce |
| 09:37.50 | alterego | They've been in there for ages ... |
| 09:38.07 | alterego | Maybe the author doesn't like the promotion interface like MohammadAG |
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| 09:40.14 | ssirkia | ~flatbatrecover |
| 09:40.14 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 09:40.44 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 09:40.44 | infobot | :), Venemo |
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| 09:42.06 | Venemo | ~MohammadAG |
| 09:42.06 | infobot | it has been said that mohammadag is your father |
| 09:42.12 | Venemo | lol |
| 09:42.27 | VladNistor-of | rofl |
| 09:42.27 | alterego | Hahah |
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| 09:43.01 | Venemo | lol |
| 09:43.20 | roadi | exists a small recovery os which runs from a 1 gb sd card? |
| 09:43.50 | Venemo | roadi: there is sysrescd which does I think |
| 09:44.19 | Venemo | roadi: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page |
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| 09:44.45 | johnx | Venemo, I think he might have meant for the N900 or N8x0 :) |
| 09:44.56 | Venemo | johnx: oh, sorry |
| 09:45.00 | Venemo | well then, I dunno |
| 09:45.02 | Venemo | hm |
| 09:45.07 | Venemo | where does infobot run from? |
| 09:45.34 | Venemo | it runs on a server or someone's PC? |
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| 09:45.47 | johnx | I thought I heard about a recovery kernel, but I'm not sure if it actually worked, or if it's even compatible with PR1.3 |
| 09:46.02 | johnx | roadi, can you still boot? |
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| 09:46.35 | Venemo | ~infobot |
| 09:46.53 | Venemo | infobot, infobot is a brilliant bot |
| 09:46.53 | infobot | okay, Venemo |
| 09:46.54 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: are you coming to meegoconf btw? |
| 09:46.58 | Venemo | ~infobot |
| 09:46.58 | infobot | rumour has it, infobot is a brilliant bot |
| 09:47.10 | sivang | I love you infobot , I wish all girls were easy as you |
| 09:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, no money, no time |
| 09:47.20 | sivang | DocScrutinizer51: ok |
| 09:47.21 | roadi | johnx: no. |
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| 09:47.37 | Venemo | ~<3 |
| 09:47.38 | infobot | I love you. <3 |
| 09:47.46 | Venemo | sivang: she loves you too |
| 09:48.03 | sivang | Venemo: Ya think so? :) |
| 09:48.13 | Venemo | sivang: she said so. |
| 09:48.26 | sivang | Venemo: only because you sent her a heart |
| 09:48.28 | roadi | i still try to recover my bricked n900 without flashing the system |
| 09:48.32 | Venemo | sivang: :P |
| 09:48.42 | Venemo | roadi: just flash the thing |
| 09:48.51 | X-Fade | Venemo: Who says it is a she? Maybe it is a hairy guy :) |
| 09:49.02 | roadi | Venemo: and my phone numbers, photos and so on? |
| 09:49.27 | jase21 | Hi |
| 09:49.28 | Venemo | roadi: backup? |
| 09:49.33 | Venemo | X-Fade: sivang said so |
| 09:49.42 | roadi | is on my n900 :( |
| 09:49.56 | jd | hearts |
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| 09:50.13 | Venemo | roadi: power the n900 off, plug it in to the USB. it will be recognized as a mass storage device |
| 09:50.23 | sivang | roadi: plug it in a pc, copy stuff, reflash |
| 09:50.44 | roadi | sivang: i did a apt-get dist-upgrade |
| 09:51.03 | alterego | instakl meego on sd, boot meego, mount and backup stuff. Reflash :) |
| 09:51.19 | roadi | alterego: thats what i wanna do right now |
| 09:51.38 | sivang | roadi: so you can't plug into a cp? |
| 09:51.40 | sivang | pc |
| 09:51.42 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: so now you want to fix it? |
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| 09:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: I suggest ~flashing |
| 09:51.52 | roadi | DocScrutinizer: yes. |
| 09:52.26 | roadi | btw htere are nice 'soldering points' - does any one take a look for jtag or serial console? ;) |
| 09:52.36 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, I think roadi's priorities are: 1) backup data 2) get the thing booting |
| 09:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | mompl |
| 09:52.49 | johnx | so flashing kinda screws up his changes of 1) |
| 09:52.55 | johnx | ~mompl |
| 09:52.55 | infobot | i guess mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please" |
| 09:52.57 | roadi | johnx: yes. |
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| 09:54.25 | sivang | roadi: it is not recognized when plugged into a pc? |
| 09:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
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| 09:55.24 | roadi | sivang: it is. but not as a mass storage device - only the flash program find it. |
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| 09:56.12 | johnx | I think the mass storage mode is provided by the linux kernel |
| 09:56.30 | sivang | roadi: oh :/ |
| 09:56.45 | Venemo | roadi: well then remember to make a backup and copy it to your PC every now and then |
| 09:57.05 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: yes, jacekowski found the testpoints to hook up serial console. We don't know about JTAG |
| 09:57.15 | johnx | roadi, how much effort are you willing to spend on this? |
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| 09:57.24 | sivang | roadi: so DocScrutinizer51's link is your best bet I guess |
| 09:57.32 | roadi | johnx: some weeks |
| 09:57.38 | johnx | great :) |
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| 09:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: get rescue-initrd, backup your things, reflash |
| 09:58.54 | johnx | roadi, I would look at this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 09:58.56 | tybollt | ~bastard |
| 09:59.06 | johnx | and remember to not *flash* that image |
| 09:59.12 | johnx | just *load* it with the flasher |
| 09:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | well, the flasher command is written verbatim on that wiki page |
| 10:00.20 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: still there is a lot of warning verbatim on the wiki and stil... :) |
| 10:00.53 | johnx | yeah, and some semi-experienced users just type in the argument for flashing without thinking about it |
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| 10:01.46 | roadi | die dist-upgrade should be removed from the apt. |
| 10:01.51 | DocScrutinizer | damn, they know the parameters by heart but don't understand how rescue initrd works? Too bad |
| 10:02.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, good suggestion |
| 10:02.31 | DocScrutinizer | wait 2 minutes |
| 10:02.35 | roadi | to know whats wrong woudl be a good point for understanding |
| 10:02.50 | roadi | brb - phone call :/ |
| 10:03.12 | johnx | I wish nokia had either spent the time to make dist-upgrade work or at least hacked it out of apt-get ... |
| 10:03.18 | johnx | preferably the former ... |
| 10:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | roadi: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 10:08.23 | Venemo | johnx: it works, sometimes |
| 10:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | usualy not |
| 10:08.56 | johnx | often works when a maemo upgrade isn't involved |
| 10:09.08 | johnx | has maybe a 1/2 chance of working for a maemo upgrade |
| 10:09.15 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: what machine does infobot run on? |
| 10:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | tim rikers server I'd guess |
| 10:09.56 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
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| 10:13.46 | alterego | It's annoying how there's no copy link location in microb :( |
| 10:14.16 | alterego | I have to open in new browser, then stop it loading then copy and paste from the location bar. |
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| 10:15.43 | krayon | ebzzry: New one: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo/boot_videos/push.avi |
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| 10:18.01 | Aranel | What is wrong with package "xmp"? I've packaged xmp for Maemo but It seems there's already another version uploaded on maemo.org/packages, which I can not install via apt-get. I tried Maintainer Request too but It refreshes the page everytime I click the "Confirm" button. |
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| 10:19.45 | nettworker | I got my N900 back today :D |
| 10:20.05 | alterego | woo! |
| 10:20.18 | Venemo | nettworker: I know the feeling! congrats! |
| 10:20.42 | nettworker | They updated the firmware and reset it :D |
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| 10:24.17 | nettworker | Venemo: Doh, my sim is in my car, and my prepaid card is empty... |
| 10:24.29 | Venemo | nettworker: :( |
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| 10:27.00 | lcuk | Aranel, you are already marked as maintainer? http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ on both variants (and when did it get added to rootfs?) |
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| 10:28.06 | Aranel | lcuk: nope, Maintainers: Request to be maintainer of this package |
| 10:28.24 | lcuk | Aranel, look who is marked on the bugtracker link tho |
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| 10:30.00 | Aranel | lcuk: oh, yes It seems It imported the package I created yesterday :| But autobuilder said "ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package xmp provides binary package xmp which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented." weird. |
| 10:30.19 | Aranel | lcuk: well I wonder why they added a module player to rootfs too :p |
| 10:30.57 | Aranel | lcuk: since I'm not in the Maintainer list, I cannot promote this package :| |
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| 10:32.37 | lcuk | Aranel, i think X-Fade might be able to shed some light perhaps |
| 10:33.11 | Aranel | ok, thanks :) So I'm going to wait for an answer from him. X-Fade: |
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| 10:34.29 | nettworker | How can I see what ip my maemo device uses? |
| 10:34.41 | alterego | nettworker: ifconfig |
| 10:34.44 | alterego | as root |
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| 10:35.10 | lcuk | nettworker, or conveniently, add one of the ip widgets |
| 10:35.17 | alterego | You'll probably get a ptp ip though |
| 10:35.21 | nettworker | It asks for my password... |
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| 10:36.29 | X-Fade | Aranel: Hmm that looks weird, let me check that... |
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| 10:38.02 | alterego | wonders how long it'll be before mobiles have dual forward facing cameras for "3D" video calling ^.^ |
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| 10:39.58 | nidO | well, manufactures will have to find some actual use for the super expensive autostereoscopic screens theyll start putting in phones, so prolly not long! |
| 10:41.07 | ZogG | offtopic |
| 10:41.11 | X-Fade | Aranel: Was a parse error when PR1.3 got imported into the interface. Removed the broken entry. |
| 10:41.26 | ZogG | anyone tried sony 350 or 650? |
| 10:42.23 | nidO | the ebook readers? |
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| 10:43.06 | Aranel | X-Fade: thanks, but I still can't request maintainership, refreshes after confirmation. |
| 10:43.23 | nettworker | How did I change the root password? |
| 10:43.34 | johnx | nettworker, install ssh server |
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| 10:43.48 | nettworker | I don't have internet... |
| 10:44.43 | johnx | make a .deb package on the device that manually applies the root hack as part of its postinst |
| 10:45.12 | johnx | (or download rootsh on a PC, plug the N900 in to USB, then install on the N900) |
| 10:45.22 | johnx | but the second way is boooring |
| 10:45.24 | ZogG | nidO yes |
| 10:45.36 | nidO | I used the 600, its really nice |
| 10:45.43 | nidO | afaik the 650 is just an improved version of it |
| 10:45.58 | ZogG | nidO i'm confused if 350 is enuf or shoul i buy 650 |
| 10:46.47 | nidO | dont really know the difference tbh, last time i used the range, the 600 was the only touchscreen one and the 300 or so just had buttons and was super basic |
| 10:47.01 | nidO | I see the 350 has a touchscreen as well now though, so no clue what the differences are |
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| 10:47.19 | X-Fade | Aranel: Can you try again? |
| 10:48.08 | nidO | oh the 350 is just the "pocket edition" now? I guess its basically mainly down to size, in which case id deffo have the 650 |
| 10:48.14 | nidO | 5" is too small imo |
| 10:48.59 | lcuk | nettworker, johnx - "/sbin/ifconfig" runs as user without asking for pass :) |
| 10:49.15 | Venemo | nettworker: installing openssh server asks you to set root password |
| 10:49.27 | johnx | lcuk, ah. didn't know why he wanted root :) |
| 10:50.06 | johnx | nidO, just be careful of any sony ereader that has a touchscreen. it really affects the display quality |
| 10:50.31 | ZogG | nidO even if it's 100 $, i like small things as they suit the pocket and easier to carry, but not sure if it's cool about readers. we don't have here any of them so wouldn't be able to touch them for myself till i buy (ebay) |
| 10:50.33 | nidO | johnx I didnt really have any problems with the 600 I used, that was the first one they released with touch support |
| 10:50.52 | johnx | nidO, ah. well the non-touch ones look fantastic, then :> |
| 10:51.00 | ZogG | johnx not the *50 series |
| 10:51.30 | nidO | yeah they dont actually do any non touch ones any more, they appear to only sell the 350 and 650 now which are both touch |
| 10:51.52 | ZogG | 950 as well |
| 10:52.04 | johnx | I saw a touch and non-touch next to each other and thought the non-touch display looked a lot better. dunno about the current state of the art. this was 2ish years ago |
| 10:52.06 | nidO | oh, that one's obviously not made it to the uk :p |
| 10:52.10 | johnx | anyways. 'night all |
| 10:52.11 | tybollt | ~obama |
| 10:52.11 | infobot | methinks obama is a communist |
| 10:52.14 | ZogG | they are using different tech for touch and e-ink so it's readble now |
| 10:52.16 | tybollt | :-D |
| 10:52.21 | tybollt | ~mccain |
| 10:52.21 | infobot | somebody said mccain was more of the same. |
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| 10:53.12 | Venemo | ~politics |
| 10:53.12 | infobot | Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #maemo, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] |
| 10:53.36 | Venemo | infobot: thx |
| 10:53.37 | infobot | np, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11 |
| 10:53.43 | tybollt | ~slap Venemo |
| 10:53.44 | infobot | ACTION slaps Venemo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 10:53.49 | Venemo | infobot: lol |
| 10:53.49 | infobot | well, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 10:53.52 | nidO | I kinda hope these real readers dont die out in the face of trash like the nook colour |
| 10:53.53 | ZogG | ~venemo |
| 10:53.54 | infobot | venemo is, like, Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo |
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| 10:54.03 | Khertan | Morning all ! |
| 10:54.11 | Venemo | morning Khertan! |
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| 10:54.14 | tybollt | Venemo: I like sticky notes :) |
| 10:54.17 | ZogG | morning |
| 10:54.20 | Venemo | tybollt: hehe thx :) |
| 10:54.21 | tybollt | <-- fanboi |
| 10:55.12 | Khertan | use conboy + desktop command widget + a custom python script to display a Todo note on the desktop :) |
| 10:55.42 | Khertan | http://khertan.net/articles/conboy_note_to_text |
| 10:55.52 | Venemo | integration between Sticky Notes and Conboy are on the way |
| 10:56.12 | Venemo | it's just nor me neither Conny has enough time |
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| 10:58.56 | alterego | Venemo: that would be sweet. |
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| 10:59.56 | Venemo | alterego: :) |
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| 11:06.20 | Venemo | we agreed with Conny on a D-Bus interface |
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| 11:08.37 | alterego | Nice, how will it work?} |
| 11:09.42 | alterego | Venemo: http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/dbus-sandbox.tar.bz2 |
| 11:09.54 | alterego | That's dbus connected to a button to go to dashboard. |
| 11:10.28 | alterego | To make nice buttons like I'vec done in Columbus, just rip out the button code from rxsupport in the same directory. |
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| 11:10.53 | Venemo | alterego: thx :) |
| 11:11.01 | alterego | np |
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| 11:11.05 | Venemo | alterego: Colombus? |
| 11:11.13 | alterego | It's my GPS app |
| 11:11.30 | alterego | Not released, still in development. |
| 11:11.38 | Venemo | alterego: oh. |
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| 11:12.12 | Venemo | alterego: anyway, Sticky Notes will have a D-Bus service which external applications can call to make it display an "external note" |
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| 11:12.26 | alterego | Oh, nice. |
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| 11:13.05 | Venemo | alterego: these will be uneditable, and in place of the "+" button, the calling app's icon appears (specified by Gtk icon name passed to the D-Bus call) |
| 11:13.26 | alterego | Well, it's not a gtk icon ;) |
| 11:13.33 | alterego | It's an application icon presumably ;) |
| 11:13.57 | Venemo | alterego: yeah, but that is specified with a "gtk icon name" (like in the .desktop files) |
| 11:14.30 | Venemo | alterego: when clicking on this icon, it will either 1) call a specified D_Bus method 2) launch a process with some command line parameters (not decided yet) |
| 11:15.12 | Venemo | alterego: so you click in Conboy on the "display on Sticky Note" button, it displays your stuff, but will be uneditable on the desktop. |
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| 11:15.29 | Venemo | alterego: but then you click on the Conboy icon on the widget which brings up Conboy and allows editing |
| 11:16.04 | alterego | Yeah, that would be neat. |
| 11:16.38 | Venemo | alterego: the non-editable thingy is a design decision made to make this generic, plus this way we only have to do one-way converting (from Conboy to HTML) |
| 11:16.51 | alterego | Now, if in Conboy could could set a list as a "To-Do" list, and have stick notes display that, allowing the user to strike off items. I'd love you both forever ;) |
| 11:17.06 | alterego | Data Integration is what makes an amazing application/platform. |
| 11:17.17 | Venemo | alterego: well if it will implement strike-through... :P |
| 11:17.26 | Venemo | alterego: Sticky Notes has strike-through right now |
| 11:17.26 | alterego | Conboy already does |
| 11:17.31 | alterego | And it's in the HTML markup. |
| 11:17.40 | Venemo | alterego: well then, it's a non-issue |
| 11:17.42 | alterego | (I believe it's in the HTML markup) you can certainly do strike through. |
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| 11:21.53 | Airforlife | hi, i have a question... can i delete contacts from my sim card ? because apparently n900 doesnt have that option, running last version of maemo 5 (1.3) thx |
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| 11:25.45 | Airforlife | hi, i have a question... can i delete contacts from my sim card ? because apparently n900 doesnt have that option, running last version of maemo 5 (1.3) thx, anyone ? |
| 11:26.24 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: I have just looed a the gui and I see no way to do that |
| 11:26.46 | jpinx-eeepc | *looked |
| 11:26.53 | Airforlife | but can you do that with other telephones ? |
| 11:26.58 | Airforlife | delete contacts from the sim card |
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| 11:27.05 | jpinx-eeepc | yes |
| 11:27.27 | jpinx-eeepc | my old nokia 6310 allowed me to do much more with the contact listt |
| 11:27.44 | SpeedEvil | The whole 'copy contact to/from SIM' type functionality seems entirely missing from the UI. |
| 11:27.52 | jpinx-eeepc | the n900 contact listing is primitive in the extreme |
| 11:27.54 | SpeedEvil | Sometimes it's done implicitly, even if you don't want it to. |
| 11:28.08 | Airforlife | why isnt there an app for it |
| 11:28.11 | SpeedEvil | However, it doesn't bother me, as I have made precisely one call with the n900. |
| 11:28.14 | Airforlife | or is there ? :) |
| 11:28.17 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: write one ;) |
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| 11:28.34 | Airforlife | right, where can i find the sim api :P |
| 11:28.34 | SpeedEvil | Airforlife: apps get written when a dev gets interested, irritated, or paid. |
| 11:29.01 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: I really *use* my n900 - calls, sms, internet, sysadmin, running a chroot with web apps in it |
| 11:30.02 | jpinx-eeepc | but the whole aspect of calls and contacts listing is worse than my ten-year-old nokia 6310i |
| 11:30.20 | Airforlife | so if its worse, it didnt bother (iritate) anyone yet ? :) |
| 11:30.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: it bugs the hell out of me! |
| 11:30.48 | jpinx-eeepc | but i don't have time or expertise to write an app |
| 11:31.15 | jpinx-eeepc | we need one that will easily send a textfile as an sms too |
| 11:31.15 | Airforlife | ...sigh... |
| 11:31.16 | Venemo | jpinx-eeepc: I also use it, but never cared about such functionality |
| 11:32.02 | Airforlife | funny how you have so many useless applications and not have a solid address book/contact thingy |
| 11:32.27 | jpinx-eeepc | so much of the software is sadly lacking in functionality - like the calender |
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| 11:33.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Venemo: if the whole n900 was run from the cli I would be happy -- as long as it did *everything* :) |
| 11:33.46 | Airforlife | so if someone were to call you |
| 11:33.51 | SpeedEvil | The base software is annoyign - it can be hard to add functionality. |
| 11:33.54 | jpinx-eeepc | so much time was wasted making the guis look pretty even thought they don't work |
| 11:33.55 | Airforlife | you'd just go /dev/sys/bla/bla/bla answer ? :)) |
| 11:33.57 | Airforlife | from the cli |
| 11:33.58 | Airforlife | hehe |
| 11:34.16 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: I can write shell scripts ;) |
| 11:34.52 | Venemo | jpinx-eeepc: lol :) |
| 11:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: yes - I see that it is hard to change what they did with maemo, hence I don't bother to try - I don't have the time to explore |
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| 11:36.20 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: already I have shell scripts controlling everything in my chroot, and it is all run in screen, so unless the phone actually crashes I lose nothing |
| 11:36.52 | Airforlife | jpinx-eeepc: please elaborate |
| 11:37.06 | Airforlife | controlling what exactly |
| 11:37.40 | Airforlife | also question, how can i make a contact groups ? |
| 11:37.43 | jpinx-eeepc | from boot it mounts, chroots, starts screen, starts irssi, starts bitlbee, connects all accounttss |
| 11:38.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: there are no groups |
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| 11:39.03 | Airforlife | thats funny, cuz i see in application manager ... "Crochik MyContacts" Contacts application, desktop widget and custom ringtones per group. |
| 11:39.40 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: then why are you asking here? ;)r |
| 11:40.07 | Airforlife | oh, well excuse me :P |
| 11:40.26 | jpinx-eeepc | :) |
| 11:40.57 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: I hadn't seen that one - I got tired of looking through crapware for guis ;) |
| 11:41.31 | Airforlife | so i guess you're welcome ? :P |
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| 11:44.37 | jpinx-eeepc | Airforlife: I'll take a look - thanks for the nudge ;) |
| 11:46.58 | Airforlife | ooshit, that thing just put a giant widget, covering all of my previous ones :)) |
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| 11:47.59 | jpinx-eeepc | heh -I think I tried that and then removed it ;) |
| 11:48.17 | Airforlife | 12% mem usage as well |
| 11:48.52 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - my n900 regularly shudders to a halt when there'sa lot going on |
| 11:49.26 | jpinx-eeepc | and it really panics if I am doing some "computing" and a call comes in ;) |
| 11:49.28 | Airforlife | removed the widget to put it on my 4th screen and now i cant find it in the widgets selection |
| 11:49.32 | Airforlife | hooray... |
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| 11:50.04 | Airforlife | jpinx-eeepc: overclock it :P |
| 11:50.28 | jpinx-eeepc | nah - you could fry eggs on it already ;) |
| 11:52.39 | Venemo | what happens if infobot eats too much botsnack? |
| 11:52.44 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 11:52.44 | infobot | thanks, Venemo |
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| 12:07.45 | aquatix | Venemo: it might turn nova and consume the channel |
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| 12:09.25 | Venemo | aquatix: :D |
| 12:09.27 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 12:09.27 | infobot | Venemo: :) |
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| 12:20.15 | dneary | hola |
| 12:21.00 | dneary | I'm looking for xml/hildon-gtk.xml in hildon/doc but it isn't there |
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| 12:22.00 | dneary | Anyone know where it might be? |
| 12:25.04 | MohammadAG51 | ~botsmack |
| 12:25.04 | infobot | OWW! |
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| 12:35.30 | Airforlife | ~botsnack |
| 12:35.30 | infobot | :), Airforlife |
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| 12:37.42 | aquatix | ~botsnack |
| 12:37.42 | infobot | aw, gee, aquatix |
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| 12:38.36 | Airforlife | ~botsnack |
| 12:38.36 | infobot | aw, gee, Airforlife |
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| 12:42.49 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 12:42.49 | infobot | thanks, Venemo |
| 12:42.54 | Venemo | np, infobot |
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| 12:49.09 | VladNistor-of | is there a flasher for my n900 one can use from the n900? |
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| 12:50.15 | VladNistor-of | i need to flash the rootfs as my modest application no longer wants to function with mail for exchange |
| 12:50.28 | ShadowJK | If there was, you'd have to set it up pretty carefully beforehand |
| 12:50.40 | ShadowJK | You couldn't flash the rootfs while your N900 is using the rootfs, for example... |
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| 12:52.12 | VladNistor-of | thanks ShadowJK :) I know the kernel can be flashed from the n900, but i'm unsure how safe it is for the rootfs |
| 12:52.38 | ShadowJK | It's likely to corrupt the rootfs, and then crash :) |
| 12:52.58 | VladNistor-of | that would just defeat the purpose of reflashing, at least in my case |
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| 12:53.25 | VladNistor-of | i'm not the admin on my windows box at work so I can't use that flasher |
| 12:53.45 | VladNistor-of | and I'm not getting home for another two days to use my ubuntu |
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| 12:59.20 | Venemo | MohammadAG: ping |
| 12:59.35 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: got a pendrive? |
| 13:00.09 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: and is your computer at work able to boot from USB? |
| 13:00.16 | VladNistor-of | chem|st, well nope, i would have installed linux on it by now :)) |
| 13:00.22 | Venemo | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 13:00.39 | chem|st | ~seen MohammadAG51 |
| 13:00.42 | infobot | mohammadag51 is currently on #maemo (22h 24m 24s) #meego (22h 24m 24s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 35m 38s, last said: '~botsmack'. |
| 13:00.57 | VladNistor-of | and i'm at work, I can't just boot up Ubuntu, people would notice ;) |
| 13:01.43 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: you don't need ubuntu, a micro img with usbsupport will do |
| 13:02.05 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: then it looks like a recovery console if anyone asks |
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| 13:03.19 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: have you reinstalled modest and all dependencies yet? |
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| 13:04.16 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: and does it work with other server types or does not work in general? |
| 13:06.08 | VladNistor-of | chem|st, I have reinstalled and purged modest |
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| 13:06.42 | VladNistor-of | it just doesn't work with MfE anymore. modest was segfaulting earlier so I erased my MfE account and then it started working again |
| 13:06.48 | VladNistor-of | it works for my IMAP stuff |
| 13:06.59 | VladNistor-of | just not MfE |
| 13:08.21 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: then I guess a reflash wont help you much |
| 13:08.40 | chem|st | have you got a backup from when it was working? |
| 13:08.57 | VladNistor-of | nope, I don't |
| 13:09.28 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: thats then something you learned for the future... is it pr1.3 yet? |
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| 13:09.43 | VladNistor-of | well a reflash should rid me of whatever config file i don't know about that may be scrwing stuff up |
| 13:09.59 | VladNistor-of | heh :) |
| 13:10.14 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: nope as some stuff is stored within your user dir |
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| 13:10.29 | VladNistor-of | so you're suggesting a full reflash, with MMC? |
| 13:10.43 | VladNistor-of | i will attempt to find stuff in the user dir and destroy it :) |
| 13:10.54 | chem|st | nope I suggest you file a bug report |
| 13:11.09 | VladNistor-of | well that is a fair point |
| 13:12.07 | VladNistor-of | alright, i'm gonna hit the road now |
| 13:12.09 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: I think it is another bug and not that you system is ready to be reflashed |
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| 13:12.40 | VladNistor-of | well I can't reflash for another two days anyway |
| 13:12.57 | VladNistor-of | i'll write up a report when I get to the hotel tonight |
| 13:13.06 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: my icq account gets a weird port parameter once in a while I don't know where it comes from param-port=-2543285623... |
| 13:13.33 | VladNistor-of | yeah, I saw that on my yahoo account, and on gtalk too... it's stupid |
| 13:14.22 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: yes and not editable from accounts GUI, you are forced to edit the config by hand |
| 13:14.45 | chem|st | or have a backup handy with the proper settings |
| 13:14.55 | VladNistor-of | cham|st, I just disconnect and I can then edit the port |
| 13:15.07 | VladNistor-of | and change it back to 5050 or whatnot |
| 13:15.12 | chem|st | VladNistor-of: doesn't work for icq for me |
| 13:15.25 | VladNistor-of | cham|st, that sucks :( |
| 13:15.46 | VladNistor-of | alright, I need to hit the road, thanks for your help |
| 13:15.48 | VladNistor-of | bye |
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| 13:16.32 | chem|st | its just like anything I write in that config window, which is actualy only available if disconnected or not trying to connect, is ignored and overwritten from somewhere else realy dark |
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| 13:48.23 | Venemo | let me show you my new toy |
| 13:48.52 | aquatix | ew |
| 13:49.02 | Venemo | venbot, tell aquatix hahaha! |
| 13:49.02 | venbot | aquatix, Venemo said to you, hahaha! |
| 13:50.22 | Venemo | I'd like to make him a reminder bot |
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| 13:53.53 | Airforlife | ~botsnack |
| 13:53.53 | infobot | Airforlife: :) |
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| 13:54.16 | Airforlife | venbot, tell Venemo LOL! |
| 13:54.25 | Venemo | Airforlife: he quitted :) |
| 13:54.38 | Airforlife | Venemo: too bad :) |
| 13:54.56 | Venemo | Airforlife: I realized I forgot some important functionality |
| 13:55.01 | Airforlife | Venemo:i have joins/parts hidden :) |
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| 13:56.42 | Venemo | Airforlife: it couldn't eat botsnacks |
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| 14:07.56 | Venemo | ~botsnack |
| 14:07.56 | infobot | Venemo: aw, gee |
| 14:07.56 | venbot | happily crunches the botsnack (thx Venemo) |
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| 14:08.56 | Venemo | Airforlife: you may try now |
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| 14:13.49 | Airforlife | venbot, tell Venemo LOL! |
| 14:13.50 | venbot | Venemo, Airforlife said to you, LOL! |
| 14:13.53 | Airforlife | kewl |
| 14:13.54 | Airforlife | ;) |
| 14:14.33 | Venemo | :P |
| 14:14.47 | Airforlife | Venemo: you could probably put : instead of a , after the name, that way you get notified :P |
| 14:15.05 | Venemo | Airforlife: I get notified with , too |
| 14:15.09 | Venemo | Airforlife: you don't? |
| 14:15.14 | Airforlife | try it ? |
| 14:15.26 | Airforlife | cuz now you wrote with : |
| 14:15.34 | Venemo | venbot: tell Airforlife making bots is fun |
| 14:15.34 | venbot | Airforlife, Venemo said to you, making bots is fun |
| 14:15.55 | Airforlife | oh, i see, its just when you mention somebody from the channel |
| 14:16.00 | Airforlife | the : or , is arbitrary |
| 14:16.10 | Airforlife | i lost intrest in IRC 10 years ago ? :) |
| 14:16.15 | Venemo | hehe :D |
| 14:17.04 | Venemo | anyway, I have to leave for work, so goodbye guys :) |
| 14:17.16 | Airforlife | bye :) |
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| 14:23.39 | Nirtal | Hello! I got two apn from my provider. One for internet and one for mms. When I'm not connected to a wlan it connects to the mms APN. Can I make the phone to connect to the internet instead? |
| 14:24.40 | MohammadAG51 | switch to havoc |
| 14:24.46 | Nirtal | havoc? |
| 14:25.16 | MohammadAG51 | in settings in fmms |
| 14:26.28 | Nirtal | Where in settings? |
| 14:27.20 | E0x | Nirtal: do you have fmms installed ? |
| 14:27.26 | Nirtal | yes |
| 14:27.39 | E0x | go to fmms and then go to settings of fmms |
| 14:27.41 | E0x | there |
| 14:27.47 | Nirtal | yes |
| 14:28.06 | Nirtal | I don't see anything called "havok" |
| 14:28.14 | E0x | connection mode |
| 14:28.20 | E0x | choose havoc |
| 14:29.19 | Nirtal | In my connections settings, I can just configure the MMS apn |
| 14:29.59 | E0x | go to fmms then touch in the title bar and where 2 botton get show configure - about |
| 14:30.02 | E0x | select configure |
| 14:30.14 | Nirtal | yes |
| 14:30.14 | E0x | there exist a option called connection mode |
| 14:30.20 | E0x | select havoc |
| 14:30.39 | Nirtal | nope, no havoc |
| 14:30.54 | E0x | :S |
| 14:32.24 | MohammadAG51 | screenshot |
| 14:32.53 | Nirtal | oh, what other options is there? I got everything in swedish so it might just be called something else :P |
| 14:32.53 | phellarv | Nirtal: Select the furthermost to the right. |
| 14:33.09 | E0x | great ! |
| 14:34.04 | Nirtal | ah, now the MMS APN disapeared |
| 14:34.45 | Nirtal | thnx guys |
| 14:34.59 | MohammadAG51 | yw |
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| 14:45.45 | Aranel | X-Fade: Sorry I was afk, I tried it: Maintainer field is now empty but there's no link to apply for maintaniership. I still cant promote my package too. |
| 14:46.20 | X-Fade | Aranel: Did you log in? :) |
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| 14:47.55 | Aranel | X-Fade: oops. Now I requested for maintainership, after clicking Confirm, page just refreshed without adding me. |
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| 14:52.06 | X-Fade | Aranel: Which browser are you using? |
| 14:52.30 | X-Fade | Aranel: I don't see any reqests from you btw. |
| 14:52.31 | Aranel | X-Fade: Firefox 3.6.12 on Kubuntu Latest. |
| 14:53.37 | X-Fade | Aranel: That should be fine. But strange that it doesn't work.. |
| 14:53.43 | Aranel | X-Fade: It asks to me "Are you sure you want to be a maintainer for XMP?", I click Confirm, then page refreshes. |
| 14:54.00 | X-Fade | Aranel: Can you shift-reload that page? |
| 14:54.39 | Aranel | X-Fade: same thing happens. |
| 14:56.11 | Aranel | X-Fade: can you try it on your account and see if it only happens to me or everybody? |
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| 15:04.16 | user_ | hurly |
| 15:04.39 | Gorroth | any good console browsers for the n900 that can hook up to a proxy? |
| 15:04.44 | Gorroth | w3m isn't available |
| 15:04.59 | Gorroth | i wonder if i should package that as well as the squid i've built into a package |
| 15:05.26 | tybollt | Gorroth: lynx? |
| 15:05.29 | mgedmin | links? |
| 15:05.35 | tybollt | lynx! |
| 15:06.53 | Gorroth | hmm, looks like lynx is most up to date, but there is no package for it that i can see |
| 15:06.59 | Gorroth | oh, unless i need to enable extras-devel |
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| 15:07.41 | Wizzup | had his n900 sent to repair two weeks ago because of a faulty mmc... Got it back today |
| 15:07.59 | Wizzup | They said, "Status: Repaired; We did a software update" |
| 15:08.13 | Wizzup | Obviously exactly the same problem occurs, because it is a hardware failure |
| 15:08.24 | Gorroth | haha |
| 15:08.26 | Wizzup | Filesystem is mount as r/o, and all apps crash |
| 15:08.31 | Gorroth | call and bitch them out |
| 15:08.32 | Wizzup | I doubt they even started the phone |
| 15:08.41 | Gorroth | because that is some shite trouble shooting |
| 15:08.54 | Wizzup | The shop let me fill in the complaint myself this time |
| 15:08.58 | Wizzup | Hopefully they'll get the message |
| 15:09.01 | Wizzup | already sent it back |
| 15:09.05 | Gorroth | good |
| 15:11.37 | Jartza | anyone had any problems with mfe on n900 with gmail on pr1.3? |
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| 15:11.59 | jacekowski | mfe and gmail are no go |
| 15:12.15 | jacekowski | gmail isn't doing anything exchange like |
| 15:12.30 | Jartza | any other way to sync calendar with google calendar? |
| 15:12.42 | Gorroth | just requested garage maemo access to upload to extras-devel |
| 15:12.50 | Gorroth | so maybe you guys can have squid sometime tonight if i get approved |
| 15:13.08 | Gorroth | at least for testing to see if it's working how it should; it looks good here on first basic trials, but more testing is necessary |
| 15:13.16 | Jartza | it works few times after I take "full resync" but after few timed syncs it just fails and fails |
| 15:13.39 | Wizzup | Jartza: yes, erminig worked for me |
| 15:13.58 | Jartza | erminig messed up the full-day calendar events |
| 15:14.35 | jacekowski | ah, calendar sync |
| 15:14.38 | Jartza | I had entries like mon-wed, full day and they showed up as mon 01-thu 01 |
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| 15:15.12 | Jartza | both phone and google calendar use same time zone |
| 15:15.48 | Jartza | or was it even 2 hours off, can't remember |
| 15:16.27 | Jartza | but with pr1.2 the calendar sync worked just fine |
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| 15:24.39 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, -developers is worse than tmo |
| 15:25.57 | Gorroth | sweet! now i have upload privs for extras-devel |
| 15:26.03 | Gorroth | i'll recreate my package after working and BJJ |
| 15:26.06 | Gorroth | and then upload it |
| 15:26.14 | pupnik | how about they just release the n9 to developers as soon as maemo runs on it |
| 15:26.26 | pupnik | and as soon as the hardware is ready |
| 15:26.38 | pupnik | let the community help prepare meego for mass market |
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| 15:27.54 | pupnik | that would be the real 2010 way to realease a product |
| 15:28.16 | MohammadAG51 | pupnik, right, that's not how things work |
| 15:28.33 | MohammadAG51 | although i wish it was |
| 15:28.44 | pupnik | "here's the phone, if you like the OS we got now you can buy it, but we're not advertising or announcing it as a product until our next OS is ready" |
| 15:28.52 | pupnik | well Nokia needs to do new things |
| 15:28.58 | pupnik | this could be a viral marketing tactic |
| 15:29.19 | MohammadAG51 | they need to, they won't |
| 15:29.32 | pupnik | it would instantly create a geek community who was 'ahead of the curve' |
| 15:29.44 | pupnik | and would automatically talk up the device online before the product release |
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| 15:30.18 | pupnik | and they really don't need to give away $400,000 of devices to do that, just make them quietly available to interested parties |
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| 15:30.57 | pupnik | of course there are hurdles to that |
| 15:31.12 | pupnik | due to State intervention |
| 15:31.28 | Noma_ | it wouldn't stay quiet a minute |
| 15:31.55 | Noma_ | Engadget and other tech blogs would grab it immediately |
| 15:32.07 | pupnik | yes, also known as free advertising |
| 15:32.44 | Noma_ | and then Nokia would be blamed again for bringing in a buggy and incomplete device |
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| 15:33.27 | pupnik | yes, many people would be stuck in classic product marketing lines of thought |
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| 15:33.43 | pupnik | it is, at least on the surface, a valid point against the idea |
| 15:34.07 | pupnik | however if handled correctly, it would be exactly the kind of thing that would generate news, discussion and disagreement |
| 15:34.30 | pupnik | because it is a new way, it also requires a new presentation, a new way of communicating with the market |
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| 15:35.16 | pupnik | the entire world is going to see meego as a latecomer to a party |
| 15:35.33 | pupnik | unless the heritage of it, the differentiation of it - is that of openness |
| 15:36.44 | pupnik | i think this is something that most #maemo folks understand instinctively |
| 15:37.42 | pupnik | instead of saying 'here's our app store' say 'here's the latest mobile incarnation of gnu/linux - The Real Thing (tm) |
| 15:38.04 | pupnik | ;) |
| 15:38.48 | pupnik | in fact, ship the phone without an OS at all |
| 15:39.04 | pupnik | *that* would make news |
| 15:39.24 | Jaffa | "Nokia copy OpenMoko. Hope to have same success"? |
| 15:39.27 | Jaffa | ;-) |
| 15:40.55 | PontusOhman | Hmm... How to get: python2.5-qt4-common?! Need that to install healthcheck :S |
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| 15:42.14 | pupnik | Jaffa - you think nokia, with it's matrix-self-censorship can produce phones in the accelerated market of today? the stuff hitting the street is a generation behind because ... 1) ... 2) ... fill in the blanks for us |
| 15:42.58 | javispedro | Well, they did something similar with the amsterdam devices? |
| 15:43.05 | javispedro | software wasn't ready at all by then. |
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| 15:43.17 | javispedro | (but still pretty much "done") |
| 15:43.27 | pupnik | javispedro: yes |
| 15:43.27 | maybeArgh | amsterdam devices? sounds like something having to do with dope |
| 15:43.55 | tripzero | nokia copied openmoko? |
| 15:43.58 | tripzero | wtf? |
| 15:44.08 | javispedro | tripzero: see quotes =) |
| 15:44.52 | GeneralAntilles | pupnik: I think Apple has demonstrated that shipping quality products with limited exposure to the development experience is what the mass market likes. |
| 15:45.28 | tripzero | and android proves otherwise |
| 15:45.48 | javispedro | "mass market" has no fscking idea of what it likes |
| 15:45.57 | javispedro | they expect steve jobs to teld them, in fact. |
| 15:46.01 | javispedro | *tell |
| 15:46.13 | tripzero | the development process is opaque to the 'mass market' anyway |
| 15:46.26 | tripzero | they don't care as long as it works and it's pretty at an affordable price |
| 15:46.40 | GeneralAntilles | javispedro: exactly. |
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| 15:46.53 | GeneralAntilles | tripzero: I think it can work once you have an established platform |
| 15:47.15 | tripzero | it took android a few years to become established |
| 15:47.24 | pupnik | i'm pretty sure your typical consumer wouldn't buy a n9 if it weren't for sale online, not advertised on the nokia store, and didn't ship with an OS. :) |
| 15:47.29 | GeneralAntilles | But there's a lot to be said for the effect of big marketing bang of a surprise announcement of a finished product on the market. |
| 15:47.30 | tripzero | it also took Apple several years [behind closed doors] to do the same |
| 15:47.33 | Nirtal | Does anyone know how to get your contacts list from the n900 to outlook? |
| 15:48.48 | javispedro | a lot of interesting names in the meego conference attendees list |
| 15:49.31 | javispedro | crosses fingers and hopes no iceland volcano decides to erupt or such. |
| 15:49.37 | tripzero | lol |
| 15:50.47 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 15:51.50 | javispedro | notes some known WebOS app developers there :P |
| 15:52.28 | pupnik | you gonna meet em javispedro ? |
| 15:53.03 | javispedro | pupnik: I remember their names from PalmOS days, but that's about it. |
| 15:53.44 | pupnik | any companies give you offers to port stuff? |
| 15:54.00 | pupnik | 'port' ;) |
| 15:54.01 | javispedro | I got an email about someone potentially interested in using preenv |
| 15:54.08 | pupnik | good |
| 15:54.15 | javispedro | but discussion stopped, dunno why. |
| 15:54.27 | pupnik | could you do a lightning talk on it? |
| 15:54.30 | javispedro | hopes it's not because they saw rampant tmo piracy |
| 15:54.55 | GeneralAntilles | Has anybody posted a game pack torrent yet? *g* |
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| 15:55.28 | pupnik | seems like those companies should be reacting *proactively* to package their games pre-env'd for N900 |
| 15:56.25 | javispedro | I'd wish.. |
| 15:56.45 | pupnik | well, there's money in serving customers - giving people what they want |
| 15:56.58 | pupnik | but too many lawyers, and they always step in-between the producer and consumer |
| 15:57.05 | pupnik | that's how they make their living |
| 15:57.23 | pupnik | .. by preventing people from having direct access to the goods other people produce |
| 15:57.48 | GeneralAntilles | Overhead and limited market. |
| 15:57.52 | pupnik | yep |
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| 15:58.16 | pupnik | they add fixed costs to any business proposition... eliminating the realization of many enterpreneurial ideas |
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| 15:58.25 | pupnik | those which only have small marginal benifits |
| 15:58.28 | pupnik | *bene |
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| 16:00.16 | javispedro | fins it funny they have forced management people to get a meego.com username&password |
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| 16:00.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ha |
| 16:00.39 | javispedro | what's a executive vice president of Nokia doing in there? =) |
| 16:01.01 | GeneralAntilles | Gotta register at the website to register for the conference. |
| 16:01.05 | GeneralAntilles | recalls talking Peter into registering a bugzilla account. |
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| 16:09.32 | Venemo | hi guys |
| 16:09.36 | javispedro | oh, aaron ardiri |
| 16:09.37 | kthomas_vh | anybody using n810 on Clearwire in NYC area; pointer to instructions ? |
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| 16:18.39 | javispedro | in case you wonder, the HP Slate's "Ctrl+Alt+Del" button: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/2010-10-19hpslatehands-5.jpg |
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| 16:51.15 | alterego | Well, my FFT transform is now working really well, and displaying a graph on the N900 :D |
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| 16:54.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:54.15 | SpeedEvil | Now. |
| 16:54.27 | SpeedEvil | Implement fuzzy detection of a whistled tune. |
| 16:54.48 | SpeedEvil | So I can whistle a specific tune, and it be slightly off key or out of time, and it will beep. |
| 16:55.09 | alterego | Heh |
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| 16:56.29 | crashanddie | bonus points if you make it play the trek/lcars sound when you say "Computer?" out loud. |
| 16:56.44 | chem|st | alterego: was working on a ft based morsecode detection piece |
| 16:57.02 | SpeedEvil | 'SpeedEvil to Enterprise' |
| 16:57.16 | SpeedEvil | On that topic. |
| 16:57.28 | crashanddie | "Beam me up, Scotty!" calls a local taxi. |
| 16:57.42 | SpeedEvil | WTF they never launched a working combadge with voice-dialing in the appropriate form-factor, I dunno. |
| 16:57.55 | alterego | Something very strange happened though, when I turned up the graph accuracy. |
| 16:58.03 | alterego | The music being played was in slow motion .. |
| 16:58.12 | crashanddie | normal |
| 16:58.23 | alterego | My app can process in real time using 5-7% cpu |
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| 16:58.54 | alterego | imagines what it would be like if he was using the DSP |
| 16:59.01 | chem|st | crashanddie: love the taxi one |
| 16:59.21 | alterego | I also want to implement an FFT visualizer in a vertex shader for some reason. |
| 16:59.23 | crashanddie | alterego, how are you getting the audio data? |
| 16:59.30 | alterego | microphone |
| 16:59.30 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, I felt I had that when I had AD-54 under my shirt, attached to a keystrap hanging from my neck. It ended up pretty much in the same place as the trek badges :-) |
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| 16:59.34 | ShadowJK | and the movement to answer phone was same |
| 16:59.39 | alterego | crashanddie: microphone ^.^ |
| 16:59.52 | crashanddie | alterego, hmm, dunno then. |
| 16:59.55 | crashanddie | Full duplex failing? |
| 17:00.00 | alterego | No idea :) |
| 17:00.05 | crashanddie | Or maybe you're blocking the soundchip by locking up the microphone pipe? |
| 17:00.09 | chem|st | alterego: deb it up and let us test ;) |
| 17:00.19 | chem|st | or tar it up... |
| 17:00.20 | alterego | Well, it works fine when I'm only plotting 100 bars |
| 17:00.32 | crashanddie | 20ms is the maximum for audio lag to become noticeable |
| 17:00.33 | alterego | But when I try to plot 80 (1/pixel) |
| 17:00.36 | alterego | It chokes |
| 17:00.38 | alterego | ~800 |
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| 17:01.07 | crashanddie | alterego, so you're multiplying your processing by 8. so 7% CPU becomes 56% |
| 17:01.33 | crashanddie | factor in context switching, and improper buffering/MA |
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| 17:02.11 | alterego | Actually 7% became 30% with 800 bars on the screen |
| 17:02.18 | crashanddie | close enough |
| 17:02.19 | crashanddie | :P |
| 17:02.36 | crashanddie | alterego, by the way, have you ever done DSP programming? |
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| 17:03.20 | alterego | crashanddie: nope |
| 17:03.40 | crashanddie | alterego, it's really not just about recompiling it to run on the DSP |
| 17:03.46 | ShadowJK | vaguely recalls plotting 512 on P133 |
| 17:03.58 | alterego | I'm sure it isn't ;) |
| 17:04.07 | alterego | Especially as my implementation is written in C++ .. |
| 17:04.07 | crashanddie | you're going to have to work on your data access, synchronising buffers, all that crap i can't remember the lingo of |
| 17:04.18 | crashanddie | anyway |
| 17:04.24 | ShadowJK | It's like SIMD just worse, in other words |
| 17:04.25 | crashanddie | I'm going home |
| 17:04.52 | crashanddie | well, it's really like having to explicitly tell your CPU on how/when to use the RAM |
| 17:05.16 | crashanddie | and I'm not just talking about "int x = 1" |
| 17:05.21 | crashanddie | anyway, later |
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| 17:06.46 | alterego | cool |
| 17:07.51 | alterego | I should probably not be measuring from 1hz |
| 17:08.29 | SpeedEvil | tries to remember the term for optimising for memory latency access patterns. |
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| 17:10.54 | alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/fourier/Screenshot-20101104-170847.png |
| 17:11.23 | alterego | I think that was a D string on my guitar. |
| 17:13.16 | Venemo | venbot, tell alterego that this stuff is cool |
| 17:13.16 | venbot | alterego, Venemo said to you, that this stuff is cool |
| 17:13.23 | alterego | :) |
| 17:15.01 | alterego | I still need to fine tune my algorithm a bit. |
| 17:15.10 | alterego | But it's starting to come along quite nicely. |
| 17:15.26 | alterego | I might implement noise reduction. |
| 17:15.38 | pupnik | is there an encryptfs for maemo and /home/user? |
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| 17:22.06 | dsg | pupnik: Don't think there's a package but you can do it with a custom kernel. |
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| 17:23.06 | pupnik | can n900 class devices be certifiably encrypted? |
| 17:23.59 | dsg | Using cryptsetup/LUKS |
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| 17:43.17 | pupnik | anybody here got a minute to do a dosbox comparison |
| 17:43.20 | pupnik | on a real n900 |
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| 17:51.19 | willer_ | :wq |
| 17:52.15 | Noobmonk3y | pupnik: what ya need? (Not got dosbox installed, but can do |
| 17:53.58 | kthomas | n810w clearwire compatible plans-- anyone know? |
| 17:54.46 | Noobmonk3y | pupnik: installed dosbox if that helps |
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| 18:00.00 | koud | hello, I have a simple server client running with client on a nokia n810 using pyopenssl and server on a computer with python 2.6 ssl implementation |
| 18:00.33 | koud | problem is |
| 18:00.56 | koud | there seems to be a limit of 16kb that can be sent over the ssl wrapped socket |
| 18:01.08 | koud | removing the wrapper there seems to be no such limit |
| 18:01.36 | koud | any hints on why this might occur? |
| 18:01.44 | koud | there is some limit in ssl buffer? |
| 18:02.40 | alterego | Is there a command line dtmf generator I can use? |
| 18:03.07 | alterego | Can't use dtmf with gst-launch :( |
| 18:03.47 | RST38h | ". Taking into account my past experiences combined with the fact that I have little to no faith in AT&Ts network I was shocked to find that I did not once drop a call while testing the N8 with my AT&T SIM." -- BGR, the all time iPhone user |
| 18:04.22 | RST38h | He calls it "very impressive" that the phone is not dropping any calls. Facepalm. |
| 18:05.14 | kerio | nokia <3 |
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| 18:08.50 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
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| 18:12.37 | chem|st | is it bug or feature when the screen does not lock again if you just open and close the slide? |
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| 18:13.34 | E0x | chem|st: maybe you touch the screen |
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| 18:13.39 | E0x | or some key |
| 18:13.46 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: yes |
| 18:13.47 | E0x | if that happen the screen don't go back to off |
| 18:14.09 | chem|st | E0x: tell me something I do not know |
| 18:14.17 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: nice answer |
| 18:14.22 | E0x | ^_^ |
| 18:14.51 | chem|st | we are not talking microsoft where bugs are features! |
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| 18:15.48 | chem|st | crashanddie: you might know... is it bug or feature when the screen does not lock again if you just open and close the slide? |
| 18:16.34 | crashanddie | depends, but I'd say bug. |
| 18:17.22 | chem|st | crashanddie: just recognized... wht does your device in 1.2 doe if locked and you slide open and close without keystroke or touch to screen |
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| 18:17.49 | crashanddie | dunno, I never locked it |
| 18:18.19 | crashanddie | unless by locked you mean just black screen that doesn't respond to input? |
| 18:18.28 | chem|st | crashanddie: I do not talk about the device lock, I talk aboput the turning off backlight and deactivating touch surface |
| 18:18.42 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: off->lock screen and keys. |
| 18:18.47 | crashanddie | ah, it goes black again |
| 18:18.47 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: slide open and closed. |
| 18:18.50 | SpeedEvil | Screen unlocked. |
| 18:18.52 | SpeedEvil | (1.2) |
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| 18:19.20 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: crashanddie mine does not |
| 18:19.23 | SpeedEvil | Same if you simply lock the switch with the lock switch, then open and close the slide |
| 18:19.25 | SpeedEvil | 1.2 |
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| 18:19.49 | Nirtal | Does anyone know if it's possible to call with my n900 from my computer? |
| 18:19.54 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: never had that behavior in 1.2 |
| 18:20.27 | chem|st | Nirtal: if you setup a bluetooth headset with your computer yes |
| 18:20.46 | chem|st | weird now it does lock again |
| 18:20.55 | SpeedEvil | chem|st: well - just tried it. |
| 18:21.10 | chem|st | so at yours 1.2 it stays unlocked? |
| 18:21.17 | crashanddie | locks here |
| 18:21.28 | chem|st | crashanddie: mine does now again |
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| 18:21.39 | Nirtal | chem|st do I have to use a bluetooth headset? Can't I use earphones and micrphone that I have plugged in to the computer? |
| 18:21.51 | RST38h | For me, it unlocks itself when I plug it into the charger |
| 18:22.03 | RST38h | Starting with PR1.2. And VERY annoying. |
| 18:22.10 | crashanddie | yeah, had the same |
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| 18:22.20 | chem|st | RST38h: yes it is |
| 18:22.30 | RST38h | I think Nokians already said they will not fix it |
| 18:23.23 | chem|st | Nirtal: you can use your computers headset |
| 18:23.45 | Nirtal | ok, how do I do to make it work? |
| 18:23.48 | chem|st | Nirtal: you can use your computer as bluetooth headset if you like to |
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| 18:24.08 | chem|st | Nirtal: linux or windows? |
| 18:24.16 | Nirtal | windows |
| 18:24.49 | chem|st | look for HID setup at your bluetooth there you can set what it should act like |
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| 18:25.28 | Nirtal | ok, I need bluetooth on the computer? |
| 18:26.23 | chem|st | Nirtal: or you find a way how to make use of pulseaudio's powers (that's what I do for days now and noone seems interessted |
| 18:27.02 | chem|st | pulseaudio can forward devices over network |
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| 18:27.40 | chem|st | but I am not able to figure out how I do that at N900 yet |
| 18:27.58 | chem|st | desktop PC no problem |
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| 18:28.31 | chem|st | ok I didn't try windows yet but pulseaudio website says it should work as well |
| 18:28.48 | Nirtal | hehe, ok. Sounds moore easy to just buy a cheap bluetooth adapter for my computer |
| 18:30.13 | Macer | blah |
| 18:30.19 | Macer | this bt kb stuff still sucks |
| 18:30.40 | Macer | i mean it works but i have to keep the phone open and i still have to run something in order to get the keys mapped right manually |
| 18:30.51 | chem|st | yes but it is more fun with pulse as you can use any pulseaudioclient in the network to participate in the same call simultaneously |
| 18:31.09 | Macer | kind of sucks |
| 18:31.21 | Nirtal | chem|st do you know if you can manage your calls from the computer as bluetooth headset? Like type in telephone numbers and call contacts. |
| 18:31.26 | Nirtal | or is it just to talk? |
| 18:31.46 | chem|st | Macer: at all places I would need one there can be x2x as well so I do not need one |
| 18:31.48 | Macer | ah well. at least it automatically connects |
| 18:32.12 | Macer | x2x? |
| 18:32.16 | chem|st | Nirtal: basic just call |
| 18:32.44 | Macer | ah well. maybe the scripts will get fixed or maybe i can find out how to adjust it a bit |
| 18:32.58 | Nirtal | but do I have to type the numbers on the n900? |
| 18:32.59 | Macer | but i know when the phone is closed enter is treated like a screen tap/mouse click |
| 18:33.20 | chem|st | Macer: http://tinyurl.com/372fzsc |
| 18:34.03 | Macer | chem|st: lol |
| 18:34.05 | Macer | touche |
| 18:34.12 | chem|st | ^^ |
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| 18:34.57 | Macer | i am trying to go about using the phone on its own |
| 18:34.58 | chem|st | ~x2x |
| 18:34.59 | infobot | [x2x] sharing xinput devices between x servers or http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/SRC/x2x/ |
| 18:35.26 | Macer | chem|st: this is for using a bt kb |
| 18:35.44 | Macer | anyways tho.. i guess this will work better than most things.. at least it auto connects now |
| 18:36.06 | chem|st | Macer: no this is for expanding any linux XDisplay with your N900 or the other way round |
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| 18:36.59 | Macer | ok |
| 18:37.15 | Macer | anyways. i am going to try to mod this script so i can use the bt keyboard easier |
| 18:37.18 | Macer | heh |
| 18:37.30 | Macer | it is nice to use but it sucks to keep the phone open to do it |
| 18:37.57 | Macer | but if that is the only way then i guess i can deal with that |
| 18:38.11 | chem|st | is it the nokia one or generic? |
| 18:38.27 | Macer | a nokia su8w |
| 18:38.39 | slingr | hey guys |
| 18:38.44 | slingr | I'm going to the states for a few days |
| 18:38.59 | slingr | I was wondering who the "best provider" would be for a prepaid services. I'll only need to add on like $10 or something |
| 18:38.59 | chem|st | ok thats nasty |
| 18:39.09 | Macer | nasty? |
| 18:39.18 | Macer | seems to work fine for me ;) |
| 18:39.29 | chem|st | to not support your own brand properly |
| 18:39.32 | RST38h | drained n900 battery in 7 hours today |
| 18:39.36 | Macer | yeah |
| 18:39.38 | Macer | i agree |
| 18:39.44 | Macer | n810 worked great with it |
| 18:39.46 | RST38h | really, REALLY need a bigger battery... |
| 18:39.55 | kerio | RST38h: or more batteries! |
| 18:39.57 | Macer | n900 doesn't.. regression :) |
| 18:40.03 | kerio | or more bigger batteries |
| 18:40.05 | chem|st | RST38h: still need to beat my 2.5 hours some day |
| 18:40.10 | Macer | i remember filing that on bugzilla for maemo and got some stupid response |
| 18:40.20 | Macer | that is when i gave up on maemo bugzilla |
| 18:41.15 | slingr | no one here is in the states? |
| 18:41.38 | chem|st | slingr: and never will be |
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| 18:41.54 | Macer | i believe the response was something like "this is not detailed enough" .. and all it was ... "Maemo 4 had bt hid support for my su8w.. Maemo 5 does not. Can this support be added to Maemo 5?" |
| 18:42.24 | chem|st | if you are refering to US as states |
| 18:42.24 | RST38h | chem|st:easy, a good movie, and it is dead |
| 18:42.42 | chem|st | RST38h: power up wifi to its limits and fill your mmc with music over wifi... |
| 18:42.50 | Macer | hmkkk |
| 18:42.53 | mgedmin | seems to recall people saying that su8w was the _only_ bt keyboard that worked well with maemo 5 |
| 18:43.04 | Macer | ooooh... i just had to disable the vkb |
| 18:43.13 | Macer | and now i can keep the phone closed. awesome |
| 18:43.17 | RST38h | Apple BT keyboard does not. |
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| 18:43.20 | RST38h | At all. |
| 18:43.34 | Macer | argh wtf |
| 18:44.29 | chem|st | RST38h: not even with iPrank devices? |
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| 18:44.53 | Macer | ?? |
| 18:45.07 | Macer | damn. guess not. enter isn't mapped correctly while the phone is closed |
| 18:45.22 | Macer | ah well. i'm done testing this for now. it works well enough i can work on it later. |
| 18:46.38 | kerio | chem|st: afaik all BT keyboards work with idevices now |
| 18:46.41 | kerio | or maybe just the ipad? |
| 18:46.53 | kerio | or maybe no one |
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| 18:58.36 | crashanddie | ipad works with bt keyboard |
| 18:58.53 | slingr | liar |
| 19:00.34 | crashanddie | sorry? |
| 19:01.30 | crashanddie | slingr: I'm really quite sure. |
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| 19:20.14 | RST38h | javispedro: considered simulating multitouch a little bit? |
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| 19:21.00 | RST38h | javispedro: as in "keep previous touch down for 100ms"? |
| 19:21.37 | javispedro | Would that work? :P |
| 19:22.02 | chem|st | RST38h: that sounds like puttin an echo to a touch |
| 19:22.12 | javispedro | There's a half reasonable suggestion in that a .ini file could say "A" key press => finger 2 taps on coords 250,250 |
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| 19:22.35 | RST38h | javispedro: won't really work in general case, but may work in those corner cases where you need to move+jump |
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| 19:23.27 | javispedro | RST38h: anyway, for any multitouch stuff I need to upgrade some headers around and lazyism kicks in =) |
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| 19:44.36 | pupnik | how do these look to you http://i.imgur.com/wESkI.png (robotron scanlined bitmaps) |
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| 19:49.10 | RST38h | look ok |
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| 19:49.44 | RST38h | a bit soft though, as if this were a photo |
| 19:49.47 | kerio | they look like ASSSSSSSS |
| 19:50.02 | kerio | (actually, they look quite nice, it gives a very retro feeling) |
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| 19:55.30 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5681605/cops-nab-man-for-sharing-new-pokmon |
| 19:56.08 | lcuk | hell yeah RST38h |
| 19:56.40 | RST38h | indeed. |
| 19:56.43 | lcuk | a proper stance on copyright :P |
| 19:57.24 | RST38h | jail 'em all and let Bubbha sort 'em out |
| 19:57.54 | javispedro | let a few years of this "intellectual property is the only sane way to live" pass and instaid of jailing him they would have beath him to death |
| 19:58.14 | RST38h | probably not |
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| 19:58.47 | RST38h | but it is real fun to consider some possibilities for a society where "intellectual property" is strictly enforced |
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| 20:00.05 | RST38h | Opens such a wide field of opportunity for people to prosecute each other... |
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| 20:02.04 | GAN900 | newspeak |
| 20:02.26 | GAN900 | It's amazing that they insinuated IP into public usage. |
| 20:02.49 | GAN900 | Change the language and you win by default. |
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| 20:04.20 | javispedro | grows some Stallman beard and starts talking about "Imaginary property" |
| 20:04.54 | RST38h | Will you also claim that "the government is tracking you by your car license plates"? |
| 20:05.36 | javispedro | Please shutdown your mobile tracking devices... |
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| 20:07.43 | kerio | >paying for numbers |
| 20:07.46 | kerio | always fun |
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| 20:12.09 | pupnik | you don't need to be stallman, you can also be an economist. |
| 20:13.09 | pupnik | many products don't ever get to market because of patent liability |
| 20:13.10 | pupnik | including lifesaving products |
| 20:13.11 | javispedro | heh |
| 20:14.02 | javispedro | the other day I had two interesting experiences regarding that. |
| 20:14.03 | javispedro | the first one is seeing that Google or some other codec developer had a chart with all video encoding related patents and their dates of expiration |
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| 20:14.22 | pupnik | javispedro: currently there are no clear guidelines - patent discovery costs make many products impossible |
| 20:14.43 | javispedro | the second one was trying to try and read some software patent to try to reimplement whatever they were doing (think Chinese company not caring about the patent, or European for the matter) and failing miserably because the patent was horribly high level |
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| 20:15.01 | wmarone | pupnik: isn't that why most just deliberately don't look? |
| 20:15.04 | pupnik | for example, a genetically engineered rice (to supplement vitamin a) was developed that could cure millions of cases of blindness per year... but the patent hurdles on the rice DNA (naturally occurring DNA) were too difficult to clear |
| 20:15.14 | pupnik | yes wmarone it is time to begin ignoring idiot rules |
| 20:15.44 | pupnik | in this case, the genetic engineering company publically shamed the patent holders into giving permission (via an exemption) to 'golden rice' |
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| 20:16.39 | nox- | moin |
| 20:17.32 | GAN900 | We need more government intervention |
| 20:17.40 | GAN900 | Clearly the only reasonable answer. |
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| 20:19.45 | RST38h | Well, the RIGHT government intervention would not harm |
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| 20:19.46 | RST38h | Like the Congress explicitly making certain kinds of patents invalid |
| 20:20.29 | RST38h | Unfortunately, with the US government being in pay of corporate interests, it is unlikely to happen |
| 20:20.54 | RST38h | So, onward, toward insanity. Never stop the madness :) |
| 20:23.08 | pupnik | hey RST38h how can i find the subroutine that daggerfall uses to rasterize the 3d objects to screen - from within dosbox :) |
| 20:23.41 | pupnik | :P |
| 20:23.57 | RST38h | pupnik: umgh |
| 20:24.25 | RST38h | pupnik: well, you can trace down write accesses to the screen buffer and play from there |
| 20:24.55 | RST38h | I would guess that the programmers tried to minimize the number of copies from 3D stuff to the screen, so whatever code is writing to the screen will be the rasterizer |
| 20:25.11 | pupnik | nice |
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| 20:26.52 | Aranel | http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ "Request to be maintainer of this package" function is not working properly, refreshes the page after clicking Confirm without any notification. Can someone help me on this? |
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| 20:27.49 | javispedro | who is going to send an email to? |
| 20:27.54 | javispedro | there's no current maintainer, seemingly. |
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| 20:28.43 | javispedro | Aranel: you might need to ping X-Fade on this, or try to simplify your control file syntax. |
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| 20:30.03 | Aranel | javispedro: already did it, X-Fade removed a false entry ("Was a parse error when PR1.3 got imported into the interface. Removed the broken entry.") but couldn't help me about maintainership issue. |
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| 20:31.08 | javispedro | Aranel: *gives quick look to your control file* description line is > 80 chars wide. |
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| 20:32.05 | javispedro | I do not know if this triggers a bug in the parser, but Debian suggests using < 80 characters wide lines. |
| 20:32.58 | sivang | hey javispedro |
| 20:33.02 | Aranel | javispedro: well, It's long-desc field? I'm pretty sure I installed many pkgs with descriptions over 80 and they worked. |
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| 20:33.35 | sivang | Aranel: you are trying to become the maintainer? |
| 20:33.44 | Aranel | sivang: yes, for xmp package. |
| 20:33.45 | javispedro | Aranel: I do not mean that the entire description should be < 80 characters long, but that no line in control file should be > 80 characters wide: |
| 20:34.00 | sivang | Aranel: nice |
| 20:34.04 | javispedro | http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 20:34.10 | javispedro | Check control file example. |
| 20:34.49 | javispedro | hi sivang |
| 20:34.53 | Aranel | javispedro: ok, now uploading new version with "CLI-based module player. Xmp plays over 90 mainstream and obscure module formats." desc. |
| 20:35.44 | javispedro | btw, does the email address you put in Maintainer match your garage.maemo.org address? |
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| 20:36.16 | Aranel | yup, and It works for my other packages (turkish-l10n,audelicious) |
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| 20:39.06 | Aranel | javispedro: fyi, XMP package was already created before I uploaded that package. Autobuilder gave me an error (ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package xmp provides binary package xmp which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented.) about it but still imported my package. Since I cannot request for maintainership or remove the whole entry from packages, I can't promote it :| |
| 20:39.28 | Aranel | Moved files to autobuilder queue. |
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| 20:40.55 | javispedro | it already works |
| 20:41.27 | javispedro | http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ |
| 20:41.52 | Aranel | yay! It added me after uploading 3.0.0-2 ! :) |
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| 20:42.39 | Aranel | javispedro: thanks for the suggestion, It's working nice now :) |
| 20:42.47 | javispedro | np |
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| 20:44.09 | javispedro | aha, android in 3d!! |
| 20:45.18 | sivang | javispedro: were ou in the munich OVI sprint by thw way? |
| 20:45.42 | javispedro | sivang: nope, only maemo-related I've been so far was barcelona long weekend. |
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| 20:46.15 | sivang | javispedro: okay, I am trying to find someone I met in Munich |
| 20:46.23 | sivang | javispedro: you will be at dublin? |
| 20:46.26 | javispedro | yeah |
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| 20:56.06 | tugrik | wow, 480 nicks, hello everyone :) |
| 20:58.44 | SpeedEvil | meh. |
| 20:59.18 | tugrik | so - I was thinking of getting an N900 on O2, although I realise it's a bit late in the day, but does the maemo platform have 18 months life left in it? |
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| 21:00.02 | SpeedEvil | I think so. |
| 21:00.15 | SpeedEvil | At some point, there will be a working meego system. |
| 21:00.32 | SpeedEvil | And there will also be community supported maemo efforts of some sort. |
| 21:01.05 | SpeedEvil | Speaking personally, I cannot see any announced phones that are close to as free as the n900. |
| 21:01.11 | SpeedEvil | It depends what interests you. |
| 21:01.40 | SpeedEvil | It regrettably seems likely that there will not be hyuuge numbers of commercial apps on the platform withing the next several months at least. |
| 21:01.46 | tugrik | I like the idea of a linux phone/tablet that I can play with, especially as it's debian based,which I'm used to |
| 21:02.03 | tugrik | my main worry is the very poor calendar... on my current PDA I run my life through that ;) |
| 21:02.17 | ShadowJK | The next version looks in some regards kinda off-putting.. But then again, we were saying that about Maemo5 back when we were on Maemo4 and N8x0, and when N900 with Maemo5 came we all jumped to it anyway ;-) |
| 21:02.20 | SpeedEvil | yes. The 'OMG' moment for me was when I realised my laptop HD was dying, and the easiest way for me to back it up was to rsync over onto the phone. |
| 21:02.31 | tugrik | ( it's a palm T5... I don't upgrade my hardware that often... ) |
| 21:02.46 | nox- | SpeedEvil, :) |
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| 21:04.53 | ShadowJK | Yeah I haven't really found a painless way of managing my time with the calendar |
| 21:05.00 | tugrik | ok - so at least everyone hasn't jumped up and screamed "no, the platform is dying" ;) |
| 21:05.07 | ShadowJK | but it was my first attempt at ever using a calender so I don't know what you're supposed to do |
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| 21:05.28 | tugrik | like you say SpeedEvil - the other platforms aren't that good, I went through them and just took them out my options |
| 21:05.45 | opdf2 | anyone have a working FMradio with 1.3? |
| 21:06.03 | ShadowJK | tugrik, well there's the vocal people who say "Omg I just bought Version A, and now Nokia is working on Version C already, I feel abandoned!" too |
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| 21:08.23 | tugrik | yeah, with tech moving so fast you're always behind anyway - so I figure best to be behind on a platform I should be happy with |
| 21:08.36 | wmarone | boggles at a rational statement |
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| 21:09.39 | crashanddie | ShadowJK: calendar |
| 21:10.14 | ShadowJK | oops |
| 21:10.39 | tugrik | oops? |
| 21:10.47 | ShadowJK | typo |
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| 21:12.06 | crashanddie | i2p is really nice |
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| 21:13.06 | ShadowJK | realistically I'd expect the last maemo5 base os upgrade to be the last from Nokia |
| 21:13.28 | ShadowJK | in 2 years time it'll be as old as my desktop's linux os is now ;p |
| 21:17.04 | ShadowJK | the next device from nokia is probably going to be more normal-ppl-friendly and linux-nerd friendly, which will probably give it a bigger userbase, and perhaps finally attracting developers thaty will give us fart apps |
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| 21:19.25 | wmarone | I don't care unless there's a Smell-O-Vision accessory to go along with it |
| 21:19.46 | tugrik | whens its due ShadowJK ? |
| 21:20.51 | tugrik | crosses fingers and hopes for "next week" |
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| 21:21.51 | ShadowJK | tugrik: it's not announced yet |
| 21:22.09 | ShadowJK | well, except the new CEO said "next year" |
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| 21:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly - he said "it's a 2011 thing" OWTTE |
| 21:23.33 | tugrik | I'll get an N900 to tide me over then :) Been waiting for the next big thing for at least a year or so... because of getting on so well with the T5 I almost went with a plam WebOS phone.... |
| 21:23.38 | tugrik | s/plam/palm |
| 21:23.54 | DocScrutinizer | some companies claim to ship next millenium stuff today, others come up with 98 version in 99 and 3 months later they ship ME version ;-D |
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| 21:32.51 | alterego | There's a rather nice bug in Qt Creator that keeps causing it to crash. |
| 21:32.58 | alterego | I know how to replicate it so I should really stop doing it .. |
| 21:36.44 | tugrik | presses the "confirm order" button |
| 21:37.31 | trumee | How can i increase the frequency of the blue led blink (which is triggered on a missed call)? |
| 21:38.03 | alterego | trumee: edit the led patterns, there's an app for thatl |
| 21:38.25 | trumee | alterego: hmm, this i guess http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/led-pattern-editor/ |
| 21:38.45 | trumee | alterego: i was hoping i could change some number in mce.ini |
| 21:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | tugrik: congrats! |
| 21:38.58 | trumee | alterego: without installing an app. |
| 21:39.14 | alterego | The led pattern definition is documented but quite fiddly. |
| 21:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | not really :-P |
| 21:39.26 | alterego | But sure, you should be able to. |
| 21:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | though LED pattern editor has a bug, showing always twice the real period time (or was it half?) |
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| 21:41.22 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: it's actually simple |
| 21:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | ... to edit values in mce.ini - I do it 'all the time' |
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| 21:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: you just have to understand there's a catch to use ramp down instruction when LED actually is zero brightness, to implement pause |
| 21:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | lemme check that blue flashing thing for you |
| 21:44.20 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
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| 21:47.20 | pupnik | http://dosboxed-games.sandbox.cz/tracker/browser/arena-1.0.6/ |
| 21:49.31 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I wonder if we'll get a response to the feature request |
| 21:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | trumee: in [LEDPatternLystiRX51] change PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71080000;9d800000 to PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71040000;9d800000 |
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| 21:50.22 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 21:51.15 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: so there is a single digit change from 8 to 4? |
| 21:51.25 | jacekowski | my charger have failed |
| 21:51.36 | jacekowski | it's not charging at all |
| 21:51.41 | jacekowski | plug looks all right |
| 21:52.01 | jacekowski | it's charging fine from other charger |
| 21:52.01 | jacekowski | and trouch converter thingy |
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| 21:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | or, instead of 7104 (step down 4 steps of (71-42)/2*15.6 ms), you can use the equivalent cmd 6908 |
| 21:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | or 6710 |
| 21:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | or 6520 |
| 21:53.58 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: do i need to reboot for changes to come into effect? |
| 21:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | restart mce will probably suffice, or maybe even killall -sighup mce |
| 21:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | reboot sure will do |
| 21:55.02 | trumee | DocScrutinizer: cheers |
| 21:55.07 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 21:55.34 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: you know x86 at all? |
| 21:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | err, isn'T that some processor/assembler code? :-P |
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| 21:56.26 | BigWookie | Hi |
| 21:56.47 | pupnik | heh |
| 21:57.08 | pupnik | yea i want to keep track of all the memory read/write/execute of a dosbox session (game) |
| 21:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | btw above written down formula gives me ideas where from LED pattern editors 'off by factor 2' time values might be |
| 21:58.15 | DocScrutinizer | ;-) |
| 21:58.59 | pupnik | hm |
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| 22:00.41 | BigWookie | Umm, I got a few questions, that sum up in one big, Aren't there any nerds using Maemo (N900), or why isn't there a virtual keyboard with all keys, a suitable alternative to osso-xterm, even a notifications script for irssi is missing, and the hilden desktop is not really a match for me either. I seem to be unable to find resources for a minimalist interface on my device, and it's out there a pretty long time |
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| 22:01.21 | SpeedEvil | Basically, large slices of the interface are closed. |
| 22:01.34 | lcuk | huh SpeedEvil |
| 22:01.37 | SpeedEvil | Which mean that replacing single aspects of it can run into closed blobs. |
| 22:01.41 | lcuk | thats nothing to do with his questions |
| 22:01.59 | SpeedEvil | It sort of is. |
| 22:02.11 | alterego | I think mainly, it's because the XTerm is adequate. |
| 22:02.11 | lcuk | BigWookie, the VKB probably hasnt had that much loving (it got lots) because theres a hardware keyboard |
| 22:02.23 | lcuk | and frankly, switching whole screen console for a letterbox one |
| 22:02.26 | lcuk | is a bit odd |
| 22:02.27 | SpeedEvil | The poor documentation as to what is closed, and what was open, lead many to think that bits that are really closed are open. |
| 22:02.51 | SpeedEvil | Which delayed things several months |
| 22:02.53 | alterego | But if you want to run some other "desktop" environment, there's always easy debian + xfce or whatever. |
| 22:03.02 | lcuk | yeah |
| 22:03.05 | lcuk | you can even run meego |
| 22:03.12 | lcuk | :P |
| 22:03.15 | BigWookie | SpeedEvil: i don't see the problem in that, pretty much anything is conrollable via dbus and modular build |
| 22:03.17 | wmarone | alterego: which is a weak form of "run" |
| 22:03.36 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: but it's not. |
| 22:03.39 | BigWookie | lcuk: the problem with the keyboard that it dosn't cover all keys :< |
| 22:03.40 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: don't you mean "lead many to think things are closed when in fact they are open"? |
| 22:04.02 | lcuk | BigWookie, it covers the majority - people complain about tab and pipe who use console |
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| 22:04.19 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: The dbus implementation of the closed parts is not documented, only does what the other closed parts require, does not support introspection. |
| 22:04.19 | lcuk | and they find a way to switch out a couple of their keys and forget about it for another 6 months |
| 22:04.20 | alterego | BigWookie: you obviously haven't done much development with the platform ;) |
| 22:04.42 | alterego | Albeit, replacing the vkb input method is actually quite easy. So give it a go :P |
| 22:04.50 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: For example - you want to setup your IP connection to use a VPN - how do you do it? |
| 22:04.51 | BigWookie | alterego: i should have written it differently, everything I need |
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| 22:05.00 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: There is the linux answer. |
| 22:05.02 | BigWookie | SpeedEvil: OpenVPN config and daemon |
| 22:05.12 | lcuk | (long rant meaning: "where is teh pipe key" |
| 22:05.30 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: Then you run into the problem that the connection daemon does not understand other connections than the ones it's set up. |
| 22:05.33 | BigWookie | I don't use the interface really much, I just want to be able to use the phone and sms features without problems |
| 22:05.39 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: And the connection daemon is closed source. |
| 22:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters |
| 22:06.36 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: And that even if you have the interface up and configured (by installing wpaconfig say - as the existing client can't be driven that way, you then have to kill icd, and implement all its features in your app, in order for the device to work 'properly'. |
| 22:07.19 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: For example, if you have a working IP connection, the web browser does not know of this, and will try to bring up a connection through the normal manner. |
| 22:07.25 | APTX | Does the Nokia Qt SDK have Qt 4.7? |
| 22:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | yoh, icd blob a major PITA |
| 22:07.59 | lcuk | APTX, it should have (get latest) if not, its certainly on the way as the bits are sorted |
| 22:08.05 | DocScrutinizer | it works nice for "standard" |
| 22:08.28 | SpeedEvil | There are other binary blobs that you have to completely replace and reverse engineer all the interfaces if you want the device to keep working for 'normal' users - if you're wanting to change the way the device works. |
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| 22:08.41 | BigWookie | I already switched hardware keys, but I don't need a map for the F keys for example all the time, so I wanted to do this via a virtual keyboard (xvkbd in easy debian), which wouldn't work |
| 22:09.08 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | closed afaik |
| 22:11.19 | BigWookie | I have to admit that I didn't look to much in the network section, thought I can handle the default linux way |
| 22:11.36 | DocScrutinizer | alas not at all |
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| 22:12.08 | SpeedEvil | Large slices of the 'normal' interfaces have been reengineered - some for good reaons - icd has a place. |
| 22:12.13 | BigWookie | I can even bridge interfaces with iptables, why shouldn't I be able to configure my devices? |
| 22:12.15 | SpeedEvil | There is no good alternative to it. |
| 22:12.18 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: See above |
| 22:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | connectivity is one of the devices core functions where Nokia insists "to differentiate" |
| 22:12.35 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: a) no wpa_config or normal tools |
| 22:12.41 | SpeedEvil | BigWookie: This is easy to fix. |
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| 22:12.47 | BigWookie | I even concidered to use ratpoison with a few wrapper functions... |
| 22:12.53 | SpeedEvil | b) icd will screw with any connections you bring up. |
| 22:13.20 | SpeedEvil | c) the default software stack will not consider that the interface is available for use unless ICD has said it's brought it up |
| 22:13.28 | SpeedEvil | d) underpants |
| 22:13.35 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | boxershorts? |
| 22:14.03 | BigWookie | -.- this is cruel |
| 22:14.14 | SpeedEvil | They are the approved nokia mankini. |
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| 22:15.01 | BigWookie | how do the people with kde manage this? |
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| 22:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | kde? o.O |
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| 22:15.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/ - compare the colourscheme - http://amyo.id.au/kelly/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/borat-mankini.jpg |
| 22:16.03 | BigWookie | http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems |
| 22:16.09 | BigWookie | woops oO |
| 22:16.11 | DocScrutinizer | wah, I'm blind! |
| 22:16.19 | BigWookie | http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_desktop_environments that |
| 22:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | do they claim all that shit is running for them? |
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| 22:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | and, what exactly do they use of kde? Just the windows manager? or have they replaced icd by knetworkmanager and claim it works? |
| 22:18.41 | BigWookie | Sorry I don't know how far the replacement goes |
| 22:18.49 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
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| 22:19.34 | BigWookie | and as it seems the wiki just went down for me |
| 22:20.57 | SpeedEvil | Also. |
| 22:21.07 | SpeedEvil | In general, be careful about assuming stuff on the wiki. |
| 22:21.23 | BigWookie | I know, some stuff is deprecated |
| 22:21.26 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20317 - is linked as 'current' from this page |
| 22:21.39 | SpeedEvil | from a page off the alternative environments page |
| 22:22.05 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 22:22.11 | DocScrutinizer | boozetime o/ |
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| 22:22.22 | BigWookie | I just want to get rid of all the overhead :/ |
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| 22:24.33 | BigWookie | There is no question I need programms to handle the connections and call/sms stuff as well as alarm calendar etc, but I don't need a fanci ui, transitions and all that, and the mix of easy debian and native apps is also not my favourite |
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| 22:26.20 | SpeedEvil | you can turn off tansitions |
| 22:27.00 | APTX | lcuk: The latest sdk was released yesterday. I installed the online version yesterday and it had docs for 4.7 but the toolchain was for 4.6. Now I DLed the full version and it does have 4.7 (at least the installer claims so) |
| 22:27.57 | lcuk | APTX, its possible, its all being shifted over at the moment |
| 22:28.13 | lcuk | along with adding toolchain options for meego i guess too |
| 22:28.20 | alterego | There was an update you can get over the net. |
| 22:28.41 | lcuk | alterego, how is the qml going? |
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| 22:28.49 | lcuk | or are you back onto native for most stuff |
| 22:28.51 | APTX | alterego: I did check that as well, just before asking |
| 22:28.59 | BigWookie | Hmm thanks for the support , gn8 |
| 22:29.02 | Bilaw | Yo all! |
| 22:29.05 | APTX | but if the full install really has it I'll just use that |
| 22:29.17 | alterego | lcuk: it's going well, at the moment I'm doing some more lower level hacking. |
| 22:29.22 | alterego | (FFT and audio stuff) |
| 22:29.26 | lcuk | sounds reasonable |
| 22:29.28 | lcuk | yeah i heard |
| 22:29.49 | lcuk | have you seen any of hte stuff pupnik and kotzcarny have been upto? or the audelicious app? |
| 22:30.00 | alterego | Nope |
| 22:30.02 | Bilaw | A silly question: just why canât my N900 connect in WPA (either wpa or wpa2), with my own network, using all the right codes and all? |
| 22:30.04 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Why? |
| 22:30.19 | SpeedEvil | Bilaw: Works for me. |
| 22:30.20 | lcuk | alterego, audelicious is slick |
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| 22:30.35 | alterego | SpeedEvil: well, I wanted to write a guitar tuner app. |
| 22:30.40 | alterego | Then I got hooked into FFT .. |
| 22:30.42 | Bilaw | I assume it *must* work, SpeedEvil! |
| 22:30.50 | SpeedEvil | alterego: ah |
| 22:30.54 | nidO | Bilaw, wpa causes problems |
| 22:30.55 | lcuk | alterego, i was using app to tune a guitar the other nite |
| 22:31.03 | alterego | So I learned about FFT, implemented my own and now I'm playing ^.^ |
| 22:31.03 | nidO | make sure you're using wpa2 |
| 22:31.07 | nidO | and dont use a hidden ssid |
| 22:31.21 | alterego | lcuk: yeah, I noticed there was one release not so long ago. |
| 22:31.22 | Bilaw | Iâve configured none of that, nidO⦠|
| 22:31.24 | alterego | Which is a shame. |
| 22:31.25 | SpeedEvil | Bilaw: Unfortunately, as discussed above, though I suppose you came in later - ICD is closed, and doesn't really do the debugging output thing. |
| 22:31.39 | crashanddie | Bilaw: are you on channel 13, by any chance? |
| 22:31.46 | lcuk | alterego, was using kots osc app |
| 22:32.02 | Bilaw | whats ICD, SpeedEvil? |
| 22:32.07 | lcuk | it has radial oscilliscope thats extremely good to look at |
| 22:32.09 | crashanddie | Bilaw: internet connection daemon |
| 22:32.25 | alterego | Heh, cool |
| 22:32.25 | Bilaw | Oh. |
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| 22:34.42 | alterego | But anyway, it's been a long time since I've done any actual math programming stuff. |
| 22:35.55 | alterego | So it's been quite fun. |
| 22:36.06 | APTX | Bilaw: did you try rebooting it? |
| 22:37.07 | Bilaw | APTX: you mean the tablet, not the router? Well, no, Iâll try thatâ¦â¦â¦ |
| 22:37.22 | APTX | I meant the tablet |
| 22:38.00 | APTX | I had a problem where the device wouldn't connect to a secure network |
| 22:38.01 | Bilaw | oh, hang on, by ârebootâ you donât mean simply turning it off and back on, do you? |
| 22:38.15 | APTX | yes I did mean that |
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| 22:39.04 | APTX | that problem happened only once and it did fix itself after a reboot |
| 22:39.13 | Bilaw | (pffew! I feared youâd have meant flashing the firmware, which usuallu takes me 3 hours and several attemps) |
| 22:40.19 | alterego | Eh? |
| 22:40.29 | alterego | Takes me less than a 3 minutes ... |
| 22:40.50 | Bilaw | â well, I am *not* good at that, alterego⦠Not good at all. |
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| 22:44.53 | alterego | Meh, practice, all you have to do is run the flasher program and then plugin your N900 .. |
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| 22:49.34 | Bilaw | alterego: Yes, but many a times the package was not 777âd, and I couldnât run it, and then I got lost between chgp and chown, and then I forgot my password, and then my tea was ready, and then Iâd forgotten I had a flashing going on, and then I couldnât press those fcuking ctrl-shift-A+X+# while singing a B-flat at the same time, and then I would give up and smoke another cigarette, and thatâs why it takes me 3 hours, alterego. |
| 22:49.36 | Bilaw | I am not good, I told you⦠|
| 22:50.36 | alterego | Erm ... |
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| 22:50.43 | alterego | I don't think any of that actually matters .. |
| 22:51.10 | Bilaw | and by the way, APTX, it worked. Rebooting was enough (I thought that was the kind of Wind0w$ solution, though) |
| 22:51.20 | Bilaw | â Yes, alterego? |
| 22:51.40 | Bilaw | Thanks many many times, APTX |
| 22:52.16 | APTX | Bilaw: there is some deamon you could kill, but I don't remember which or where I found that info (other than the maemo forums) |
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| 22:54.04 | Bilaw | (and, as you would have gathered, APTX, I am about as good at ps aux than i am at sudo flash <kernel-thing<. Ask alterego. He knows âbout it) |
| 22:54.39 | Bilaw | (or is it su-./-do flash? Never learnt.) |
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| 22:56.10 | Bilaw | Anyway, is it acceptable to ask you all where you are typing from? (I am thinking country, not nature of the chair) |
| 22:57.30 | lcuk | Bilaw, my usual answer is from Earth; it saves a lot of questions. |
| 22:58.04 | Bilaw | Hmm. Thats because you know not me! But at least you took the trouble to answer! |
| 23:02.10 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLS35kyYlOU |
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| 23:06.49 | alterego | http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/fourier/Screenshot-20101104-230255.png |
| 23:06.57 | alterego | Me doing a very convincing middle C :D |
| 23:07.30 | SpeedEvil | umm... |
| 23:07.45 | lcuk | alterego, cool |
| 23:07.51 | alterego | Okay, I was 3 hz flat :( |
| 23:07.51 | lcuk | look at this: http://www.youtube.com/user/cowbot2#p/a/u/1/nsyqwi8rmEM |
| 23:07.53 | SpeedEvil | Why is that mirrored? |
| 23:08.11 | alterego | I thought it would look cooler. |
| 23:08.33 | SpeedEvil | I mean - on the x axis |
| 23:08.43 | lcuk | coolness should not be underestimated :P |
| 23:08.57 | alterego | Because FFT graphs are symentric |
| 23:09.13 | lcuk | alterego, take a peek in audelicious |
| 23:09.21 | SpeedEvil | alterego: err - no they are not |
| 23:09.37 | alterego | Really? Well, this one is .. |
| 23:09.51 | alterego | Probably due to the sine and cosine |
| 23:10.09 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, "All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental." |
| 23:10.48 | SpeedEvil | alterego: see http://wb4mak.com/ |
| 23:11.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: harmonics? or a bug in gnuprolog |
| 23:11.55 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. But DFTs are not symmetric |
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| 23:13.19 | alterego | I think you'll find that they are, it's just most people only plot half of the generated array |
| 23:13.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah; I seem to remember you have to discard something like the i-component on FFT |
| 23:13.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | DFT |
| 23:13.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever |
| 23:14.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | otherwise you get that symetric things |
| 23:14.20 | SpeedEvil | Oh - you're plotting the I and Q components? |
| 23:14.26 | SpeedEvil | They're not actually symmetric |
| 23:14.43 | alterego | Well, no, and either is the graph :P |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | also windowing is an art |
| 23:15.01 | SpeedEvil | yeah - it's approximately - which is what I was wondering about. |
| 23:15.06 | SpeedEvil | yep. |
| 23:15.15 | alterego | I've not done any windowing. |
| 23:15.20 | alterego | Will add that next. |
| 23:15.50 | alterego | Well, next I'm going to do some averaging, I might add windowing but it's not needed for my guitar tuner. |
| 23:15.57 | alterego | Then I'm going to write a noise cancellation filter. |
| 23:16.09 | alterego | Anyhow, bed time :) |
| 23:16.14 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 23:16.23 | alterego | Take care folks |
| 23:16.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | suspects alterego 's voice organ (sorry wod missing) creates some bright 1st harmonic :-D |
| 23:17.25 | MohammadAG | speaking of visualizations, I love the "libvisual jess plugin" in Rythmbox |
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| 23:19.31 | SpeedEvil | Voicebox |
| 23:20.02 | SpeedEvil | (though the voiceboxes output is heavily modified by the throat and mouth in most people. (apart from the decapitated) |
| 23:20.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: could we maybe get fontsize zoomin in xchat via vol+-, like in xterm? |
| 23:20.55 | MohammadAG | would be lovely ^ |
| 23:21.01 | SpeedEvil | Well - yuou'd want it as a bindable |
| 23:21.17 | SpeedEvil | you can bind the zoom buttons to do arbitrary things as it is rught now. |
| 23:21.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: I know |
| 23:21.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | wouldn't want to go to complex in my request |
| 23:22.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | a sane developer will know how to implement |
| 23:24.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: actually my vol keys are unbound as I hoped that'd make them do volume. Alas works only once after xchat startup :-o |
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| 23:29.01 | pupnik | http://wiki.bennington.edu/wiki/The_Arcades_Project (disassembling robotron 2084) "The amazing thing about Robo is how it completely throws away the event loop, and uses interrupts for each object that moves." |
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| 23:32.34 | pupnik | http://svn.bennington.edu/viewvc/svn/robotron <<< seems to be down, and missing from archive.org |
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| 23:48.00 | tripzero | i wonder how many games are available on maemo |
| 23:48.16 | tripzero | and if it competes at all with android or iOS as far and quantity of games |
| 23:48.58 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 23:49.03 | SpeedEvil | Absolutely not. |
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| 23:49.24 | SpeedEvil | (that is not counting hte various emulated games) |
| 23:49.39 | tripzero | why not count those too? |
| 23:49.41 | MohammadAG | just realized Jaffa's avatar is a J, an F, and a A |
| 23:49.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | is missing mokomaze |
| 23:49.53 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/image.php?u=15155&dateline=1205676131 |
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| 23:49.56 | SpeedEvil | tripzero: that isn't an unreasonable question, but many of them are not playable. |
| 23:50.10 | tripzero | hrm |
| 23:50.24 | SpeedEvil | tripzero: For example - because there is a spectrum emulator does not mean that the games are actually playable, due to keyboard or other constraints. |
| 23:50.34 | tripzero | true |
| 23:50.37 | SpeedEvil | Also - the rights issues are unclear. |
| 23:50.46 | MohammadAG | <tripzero> and if it competes at all with android or iOS as far and quantity of games <-- No from me too |
| 23:50.54 | APTX | ant these games weren't really made for maemo |
| 23:50.57 | APTX | *and |
| 23:51.03 | MohammadAG | it doesn't compete with Symbian^3, and that was recently released |
| 23:51.10 | tripzero | ouch |
| 23:51.26 | SpeedEvil | There is one? Compelling commercial game. Angry birds. |
| 23:51.34 | SpeedEvil | And that's it. |
| 23:51.39 | SpeedEvil | Have I missed any? |
| 23:51.47 | tripzero | hrm |
| 23:51.55 | SpeedEvil | OTOH |
| 23:52.04 | SpeedEvil | I've played nethack on it, and it works fine. |
| 23:52.08 | tripzero | i suppose quantity of users probably dictates available games... |
| 23:52.22 | SpeedEvil | Not only that. |
| 23:52.22 | MohammadAG | there are other games |
| 23:52.28 | tripzero | hopefully meego changes that |
| 23:52.31 | MohammadAG | Crazy hamster or whatever |
| 23:52.37 | MohammadAG | rollercoaster game |
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| 23:52.48 | MohammadAG | but all of those(?) or more are on Symbian^3 |
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| 23:53.07 | SpeedEvil | The problem is not only the audience - it's also nokia have basically screwed up really hard on encouraging commercial devs in. |
| 23:53.09 | MohammadAG | I'm surprised how many games were ported to Symbian^3, looks well supported by developers |
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| 23:53.15 | MohammadAG | angry birds is awesome on it |
| 23:53.33 | MohammadAG | better than on the N900 if I may add |
| 23:53.36 | tripzero | rly? |
| 23:53.42 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 23:53.42 | tripzero | it's pretty good on the n900 imho |
| 23:53.54 | MohammadAG | higher FPS on the N8 |
| 23:54.06 | tripzero | what's the n8 sporting as the cpu? |
| 23:54.10 | tripzero | wikipedia's |
| 23:54.21 | MohammadAG | some ARM11 680MHz CPU |
| 23:54.28 | MohammadAG | but the GFX chip is epic iirc |
| 23:54.43 | tripzero | hrm |
| 23:54.48 | tripzero | nice |
| 23:54.57 | tripzero | i really want the n9 |
| 23:55.02 | tripzero | i need a second phone |
| 23:55.08 | tripzero | and don't want to get an android |
| 23:55.11 | MohammadAG | I need a second N900 |
| 23:55.11 | tripzero | not even just for the wife |
| 23:56.05 | tripzero | only 256mb ram still? |
| 23:56.20 | MohammadAG | Symbian isn't a memory hog |
| 23:56.33 | MohammadAG | it'll run out of memory, but it can get 200MBs free on bootup I think |
| 23:56.36 | MohammadAG | or at least 150 |
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| 23:57.09 | MohammadAG | cam starts in 2 secs, focusing -> capturing -> processing takes 2 secs |
| 23:57.22 | MohammadAG | browser's shit |
| 23:57.26 | tripzero | n9 doesn't have a wikipedia page yet :( |
| 23:57.50 | tripzero | cam starts faster than maemo? |
| 23:57.58 | MohammadAG | yes, and it's a 12MP one |
| 23:58.08 | tripzero | wishes it started slightly faster on the n900 |
| 23:58.41 | MohammadAG | only disappointment would be non LED flash to accompany the xenon one |
| 23:58.46 | MohammadAG | so no flashlight |
| 23:59.04 | MohammadAG | no LED* |
| 23:59.16 | tripzero | haha |
| 23:59.17 | tripzero | true |
| 23:59.42 | MohammadAG | rotation is almost instant on symbian, probably due to the light transitions |
