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| 00:35.06 | Termana | morning |
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| 01:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | howdy |
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| 01:14.57 | eris0xff | is there some sort of maintenance happening on repository.maemo.org? |
| 01:15.17 | eris0xff | hi |
| 01:15.34 | eris0xff | hello? |
| 01:15.49 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 01:16.35 | eris0xff | hi |
| 01:16.56 | eris0xff | ~pr1.3 |
| 01:16.56 | infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 01:17.25 | eris0xff | Is repository.maemo.org intentionally down? |
| 01:17.33 | DocScrutinizer | no |
| 01:17.38 | eris0xff | hmm |
| 01:17.48 | DocScrutinizer | but it's not unusual at weekends |
| 01:17.50 | eris0xff | havent got a response from it all day |
| 01:18.02 | eris0xff | is it still serving pr1.2 content? |
| 01:18.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 01:18.19 | eris0xff | guess that sholdnt matter |
| 01:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 01:18.44 | DocScrutinizer | for most stuff it actually doesn't |
| 01:19.08 | eris0xff | cant browse it from here |
| 01:19.13 | eris0xff | or update from it |
| 01:19.28 | eris0xff | is repository a round robin dns name? |
| 01:19.44 | DocScrutinizer | everything a bit laggy and stuck today |
| 01:19.53 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:19.56 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 01:20.17 | eris0xff | yeah it looks like two different IPs |
| 01:20.25 | eris0xff | i can ping it |
| 01:20.27 | eris0xff | but... |
| 01:21.13 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 01:21.18 | eris0xff | running off of akamai |
| 01:21.25 | DocScrutinizer | host -a repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net |
| 01:21.54 | eris0xff | toob% ping repository.maemo.org |
| 01:21.55 | eris0xff | PING a515.g.akamai.net |
| 01:22.14 | DocScrutinizer | host -a a515.g.akamai.net |
| 01:22.20 | eris0xff | (216.246.75.98) |
| 01:22.33 | DocScrutinizer | n0g.akamai.net. 1068 IN A 92.122.212.23 n1g.akamai.net. 167 IN A 80.239.230.135 n2g.akamai.net. 2952 IN A 80.239.230.157 n3g.akamai.net. 1068 IN A 92.122.212.45 n4g.akamai.net. 167 IN A 92.123.68.38 n5g.akamai.net. 2952 IN A 92.122.212.31 n6g.akamai.net. 1068 IN A 92.122.212.28 n7g. |
| 01:22.35 | DocScrutinizer | akamai.net. 167 IN A 92.123.68.47 |
| 01:22.39 | eris0xff | i can get to it via http |
| 01:23.10 | eris0xff | but when I try to browse or sync to it I get a whole lot of nothing :-) |
| 01:23.58 | eris0xff | specifically extras-testing |
| 01:27.41 | eris0xff | wierd |
| 01:28.15 | eris0xff | so i can telnet to repository, but there must be a backend requrest for the apt sync and browse |
| 01:28.41 | nox- | akamai have messed up before... |
| 01:28.49 | eris0xff | say it aint so |
| 01:28.52 | eris0xff | heh |
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| 01:29.10 | eris0xff | mmm gut beer |
| 01:29.14 | nox- | sometimes i could even browse maemo stuff on the pc but not on the n900... |
| 01:29.31 | eris0xff | yeah doesn't work on either tonight |
| 01:29.55 | eris0xff | akamai support must be out whoring for halloween |
| 01:30.01 | nox- | hehe |
| 01:30.23 | DocScrutinizer | http://repository.maemo.org wfm, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle doesn't: An error occurred while processing your request. Reference #97.6c487b5c.1288488586.52f85a93 |
| 01:30.30 | eris0xff | well hells bells |
| 01:30.47 | eris0xff | i'll have to go do smething else. my ISP was down until 4:30pm today (all day basically) |
| 01:31.32 | eris0xff | was going to DL gnumeric |
| 01:32.34 | eris0xff | man. jobs isn't looking too good |
| 01:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | well, I heard IP packets have a RTT of >60min right now ;-P |
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| 01:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | to avoid they arrive earlier than they've been sent |
| 01:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | 02B:33 in Europe |
| 01:33.34 | nox- | haha |
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| 02:22.06 | chupy35 | hi, i have a problem, i deleted /usr/lib/local, i restore them but that didnt work, my phone actually looks like this http://a.yfrog.com/img526/2812/x5o.png http://a.yfrog.com/img100/9906/bqi.png |
| 02:25.11 | chupy35 | any idea? |
| 02:29.59 | wmarone | reflash |
| 02:30.20 | chupy35 | just like that ... |
| 02:30.33 | wmarone | well, you wrecked all the language files, IIRC |
| 02:30.58 | wmarone | yup |
| 02:31.04 | wmarone | actually |
| 02:31.13 | wmarone | have you rebooted since restoring them? |
| 02:31.19 | chupy35 | yes |
| 02:31.36 | chupy35 | i also run some free rootfs scripts |
| 02:32.00 | chupy35 | and i also notice i dont have nothing on /usr/share/local |
| 02:32.06 | wmarone | how old were the scripts? |
| 02:32.12 | chupy35 | the wiki ones |
| 02:33.08 | wmarone | well, a huge amount of stuff was moved off the rootfs back with the release of PR1.2 |
| 02:33.22 | wmarone | so I don't know how safe those scripts are |
| 02:33.49 | chupy35 | oh... but i think the main thing is that i remove a lot of stuff from /usr/lib/locale |
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| 02:37.14 | chupy35 | all look now like programming widgets |
| 02:37.21 | chupy35 | in default apps |
| 02:37.25 | chupy35 | and in titles |
| 02:37.38 | wmarone | right, those are converted into the proper text for the selected locale |
| 02:37.52 | wmarone | try swapping locales if you haven't already |
| 02:38.02 | chupy35 | i also try to change drom spanish to english but that didnt work |
| 02:38.48 | Mek | hmm, anything on repository.maemo.org except for the top-level index seems to give an error or timeout... |
| 02:39.09 | Mek | (and similar for tablets-dev.nokia.com) |
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| 03:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | yep, repos are down |
| 03:18.35 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
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| 03:19.47 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient. DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! See ~pr1.3 | repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause |
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| 03:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 03:20.31 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 03:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~uptime |
| 03:22.40 | jacekowski | is it it? |
| 03:22.47 | jacekowski | meego released |
| 03:22.51 | jacekowski | maemo is dead? |
| 03:22.57 | jacekowski | repositories closed |
| 03:23.07 | jacekowski | irc channel will be closed soon |
| 03:24.15 | ds3 | Long live maemo |
| 03:24.16 | ds3 | :D |
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| 03:32.07 | andrewfblack | why can't you copy the hicolor icon folder in terminal? |
| 03:37.48 | lcuk | andrewfblack, better to show us what iit does when you try, i doubt copying icon folders is in the daily round of things for people :P |
| 03:39.01 | andrewfblack | says it was ommited when I tried |
| 03:39.35 | lcuk | maybe a couple of lines of console ? |
| 03:39.51 | lcuk | specific command and error message for instance :P |
| 03:41.37 | andrewfblack | cp /hicolor /home/user/MyDocs/hicolor |
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| 03:41.53 | andrewfblack | returns cp: omitting directory 'hicolor' |
| 03:43.44 | chupy35 | what does it means a snot green colored led while i turn on the phone, and then turns off |
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| 03:45.48 | Termana | It means you should stop blowing your nose on your N900 |
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| 03:54.57 | ni1s | andrewfblack, cp -r |
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| 04:22.32 | Sargun_Screen | anyone here installed meego on their n900 |
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| 04:28.50 | pigeon | is there something you can set or apt preferences so you can disable upgrade (check) to pr1.3? |
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| 04:53.00 | jpinx-eeepc | pigeon: I have been ignoring the warnings for days :) |
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| 04:57.56 | pigeon | hmm, it's just that my apt has gone into the state where it tries to upgrade whenever i try to install something else... |
| 04:58.46 | pigeon | or i've probably upgraded one or two packages from pr1.3 but the 1.2 version is not available anymore, so i can force a downgrade. |
| 05:00.22 | jpinx-eeepc | pigeon: sounds like you are half-way -- not a good state to be in... |
| 05:01.17 | pigeon | ah, i might have fixed it... |
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| 07:27.09 | RobbieThe1st | ~pr1.3 |
| 07:27.10 | infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
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| 07:33.15 | RobbieThe1st | Gees, garage.maemo.org's slow |
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| 08:39.00 | timeless_mbp | anyone know where my A/V cable is? i know i saw one recently :( |
| 08:39.44 | RobbieThe1st | # find / -name "*cable*" |
| 08:39.48 | psycho_oreos | inside the nokia box ;) |
| 08:39.55 | timeless_mbp | box? hrm |
| 08:40.00 | timeless_mbp | goes to look |
| 08:40.43 | psycho_oreos | sales/retail packaging box.. if you haven't used it recently.. I have never used mine.. so mine I'd expect to be still sitting where it was last saw..inside the nokia n900 box |
| 08:40.43 | timeless_mbp | ok, followup question⦠where's my box? |
| 08:40.56 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 08:41.22 | psycho_oreos | in the closet I'd imagine |
| 08:41.27 | maybeWTF | i know where mine is |
| 08:41.36 | psycho_oreos | so do I |
| 08:41.36 | maybeWTF | in my pocket |
| 08:41.42 | RobbieThe1st | I never got a box with miner |
| 08:41.46 | maybeWTF | so, have you looked in your pocket? |
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| 08:41.58 | psycho_oreos | wtf the box in your pocket? you must have a really really large pocket there |
| 08:42.09 | maybeWTF | err no, the a/v cable |
| 08:42.16 | psycho_oreos | ah ok lol |
| 08:42.26 | maybeWTF | because you never know when there's an opportunity to force the tv shows you like on other people |
| 08:42.42 | psycho_oreos | I got mine with the box, n900.. though I"d _love_ to get that n900 hacker's box |
| 08:43.36 | RobbieThe1st | n900 hacker's box? |
| 08:43.40 | psycho_oreos | heh, there is that potential if you did have loads of tv shows on your n900 |
| 08:43.59 | maybeWTF | psycho_oreos: well there's 32gb that want to be filled, so... |
| 08:44.22 | timeless_mbp | i don't have any pockets big enough for the box |
| 08:44.27 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, its like a big black cube and it comes with usb cable that you must plug into the computer.. connect to it via telnet or something and follow a question before the box will reveal its contents |
| 08:44.50 | psycho_oreos | maybeWTF, which is fair enough :) everyone has various ways of filling their n900 :) |
| 08:45.09 | timeless_mbp | i fill my n900 by lending it out to someone else |
| 08:45.10 | RobbieThe1st | Oh, yea, I remember something about that |
| 08:45.24 | timeless_mbp | who has so far managed to break the screen (sometime this summer) and the usb port (this past week) |
| 08:45.25 | psycho_oreos | RobbieThe1st, http://gizmodo.com/5429655/nokias-n900-promotional-hackerbox-is-marketing-gone-mad |
| 08:46.07 | timeless_mbp | i think i'm going to have to go to work and grab a cable :( |
| 08:46.16 | psycho_oreos | has broke neither but fails to install otterbox's screen protector properly.. now the face of his n900 looks like some teenager's face (i.e. full of zits) |
| 08:46.29 | timeless_mbp | heh |
| 08:46.36 | maybeWTF | psycho_oreos: it served me well the last time i got stuck in a traffic jam for a few hours with a friend, i used that opportunity to get him hooked on archer |
| 08:46.58 | psycho_oreos | maybeWTF, heh never heard of archer.. almost thought of archos |
| 08:47.22 | maybeWTF | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_%28TV_series%29 |
| 08:48.43 | psycho_oreos | x_x |
| 08:49.25 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: how do you propose to do that on a weekend? |
| 08:49.45 | timeless_mbp | TermanaDesire: same way i'd do it any other day? by walking there? |
| 08:49.46 | mavhc | this is a helium airship, it won't explode |
| 08:50.35 | aquatix | maybeWTF: sounds fun |
| 08:50.51 | TermanaDesire | timeless_mbp: they leave it open on weekends? Or there's people working there on weekends? |
| 08:50.55 | RobbieThe1st | Is garage.maemo.org failing or something? |
| 08:51.13 | timeless_mbp | roughly badges allow weekend access |
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| 09:09.45 | D-man | Hi, any idea why have test and dev repos stopped working? (hash sum mismatch) |
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| 09:12.08 | timeless_mbp | they do that regularly |
| 09:12.17 | timeless_mbp | there's a race in the update procedure |
| 09:13.52 | D-man | So I just have to wait until they fix it? :) |
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| 09:16.05 | timeless_mbp | it fixes itself if someone pushes another thing to the build queue |
| 09:16.18 | timeless_mbp | ⦠or you wait for someone to fix it manually |
| 09:16.24 | timeless_mbp | it's 11am on a sunday |
| 09:16.32 | timeless_mbp | go out and play? |
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| 09:18.15 | psycho_oreos | isn't it a funny irony that those who aren't particularly into the gadgets (in particular phones/internet tablets) could easily confuse n900 over iphone? :) |
| 09:18.34 | timeless_mbp | url? |
| 09:19.17 | psycho_oreos | in other words, don't you guys have people thinking you have an iphone when you're actually holding n900 in your hand? and when asked they either ask or say its an iphone |
| 09:19.28 | psycho_oreos | no url, just what people's instant reactions are |
| 09:22.58 | D-man | timeless_mbp: ok, thanks for clarifying that. |
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| 09:27.42 | D-man | psycho_oreos: Well.. I guess. Once I popped it out while waiting for a class to start and two bithces came to me saying that I have an awesome phone and that they always wanted it. |
| 09:27.59 | D-man | Because it's soo cool, coz it has like 5pixel aand.. uunm.. 32G!! |
| 09:28.13 | psycho_oreos | D-man, they didn't mistaken it for iphone? :) |
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| 09:29.15 | D-man | Nope.. they knew it was n900, but they didn't have a clue what linux is. They just wanted it.. |
| 09:30.19 | D-man | I had keyboar out... maybe it was because of that.. |
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| 09:32.46 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 09:33.04 | psycho_oreos | which is good, so long as they don't go drooling over iphone for that :D |
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| 09:33.15 | orlok | psycho_oreos: never had anybody ask |
| 09:33.19 | orlok | but i work with geeks |
| 09:33.32 | chupy35 | goes to sleep |
| 09:33.37 | orlok | psycho_oreos: most of them are actually embedded ARM developers |
| 09:33.48 | orlok | they wish there was better GSM capability |
| 09:34.11 | psycho_oreos | orlok, had an engineer (also software developer) who got himself x6, when I flirted my n900 he thought it was iphone |
| 09:34.19 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 09:34.39 | orlok | ours do embedded linux development on arm for wireless modems |
| 09:35.13 | psycho_oreos | ahh so they'd knew it wouldn't be iphone in the very least :) |
| 09:35.18 | orlok | just updated to 1.3 |
| 09:35.28 | orlok | added extras-testing |
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| 09:35.59 | orlok | yeah heh, some of them talk in AT commands for a living heh |
| 09:36.10 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 09:36.16 | psycho_oreos | ATZ! ATZ! |
| 09:36.27 | orlok | yeah, data over GSM |
| 09:36.40 | orlok | PCM access to the GSM audio |
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| 09:37.11 | orlok | not sure if thats possible with the GSM audio |
| 09:37.16 | orlok | treating it as an audio device |
| 09:37.17 | psycho_oreos | lol those are a little over my head if one were to discuss those in detail |
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| 09:37.46 | orlok | psycho_oreos: basically being able to access the GSM audio input/output via a linux app |
| 09:37.50 | orlok | directly |
| 09:38.27 | orlok | so you could modulate your own tones down the line, record, playback, etc |
| 09:38.52 | psycho_oreos | o.O |
| 09:38.53 | orlok | software GSM modem |
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| 09:39.12 | psycho_oreos | is really confused.. |
| 09:39.16 | orlok | you know how modems work?, or the basic idea? |
| 09:39.23 | orlok | phone modems |
| 09:39.32 | orlok | like, PSTN, audio frequency |
| 09:39.42 | orlok | old school copper phone network |
| 09:39.46 | psycho_oreos | I have heard about hacking the GSM bands to intercept calls.. that was in defcon and maybe tapping into GSM to hear just radio waves |
| 09:39.49 | psycho_oreos | sort of |
| 09:40.14 | orlok | one frequency is 0, another is 1 |
| 09:40.19 | orlok | except more complicated |
| 09:40.30 | psycho_oreos | good old dialup days of modem that used to make funny noises before the rest of noise was translated into digital signals |
| 09:40.31 | orlok | so you can send binary data over an audio stream |
| 09:40.36 | orlok | modulation and demodulation |
| 09:40.40 | orlok | yeah |
| 09:40.44 | psycho_oreos | yeah but why do that? lol |
| 09:41.22 | orlok | as audio is available where other data standards are not |
| 09:41.57 | psycho_oreos | hmm ok |
| 09:42.09 | orlok | anyway, you can do it if you have access to the GSM audio streams via some reasonable interace |
| 09:42.25 | orlok | similar things are also used by HAM radio people |
| 09:42.57 | orlok | heres been linux drivers for ages that allow you to use a sound card as a modem, hooked up to a ham radio |
| 09:43.30 | orlok | anyway, i wish. |
| 09:43.55 | orlok | theres an app, phonet? i think that gives basic AT command access |
| 09:44.01 | psycho_oreos | interesting thought but wouldn't it get demodulated? |
| 09:44.12 | orlok | i can be logged into my phone from a desktop and run it and answer the phone remotely |
| 09:44.19 | orlok | what do you mean? |
| 09:44.35 | orlok | via the GSM audio nastyness/radio interference? |
| 09:45.38 | psycho_oreos | well no just sending audio signals over GSM band.. one would technically be facing a whole bunch of modulators/demodulators on the frequency I suspect |
| 09:45.46 | orlok | psycho_oreos: anything past that gets into stuff that i didnt leanr cos i didnt go to uni heh |
| 09:46.01 | orlok | audio codec compressors, etc |
| 09:46.11 | orlok | smart people work for us |
| 09:46.29 | orlok | few phd physicists/mathemeticians/EE's etc |
| 09:46.42 | psycho_oreos | orlok, ahh |
| 09:47.06 | psycho_oreos | well yeah its still all too well above and beyond my knowledge :) |
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| 09:50.45 | SpeedEvil | orlok: it basically doesn't work. |
| 09:51.03 | orlok | SpeedEvil: the gsm audio access? |
| 09:51.05 | SpeedEvil | orlok: The audio codecs are designed to throow away non voice-like signals. |
| 09:51.18 | orlok | SpeedEvil: oh, heh, it works all right |
| 09:51.35 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i manage deployments in about 6 different countries |
| 09:51.39 | SpeedEvil | orlok: This acts to screw up this idea. The codecs are basically designed to emulate noises that can be produced by thehuman throat. |
| 09:51.42 | SpeedEvil | (at speed) |
| 09:52.02 | orlok | yeah, it sounds silly |
| 09:52.06 | orlok | but it does work |
| 09:53.01 | orlok | SpeedEvil: now, any ideas if i can get audio device access to the N900's gsm module? :) |
| 09:53.16 | SpeedEvil | orlok: The transmit path looks like mic -> a/d -> encode -> radio - with errors -> cell tower -> decode -> PSTN -> cell tower -> encode -> radio - with errors -> decode -> d/a |
| 09:53.29 | SpeedEvil | orlok: you have no control over what codecs are picked in the middle. |
| 09:53.32 | orlok | yeah |
| 09:53.33 | orlok | dude |
| 09:53.34 | orlok | i know |
| 09:53.43 | SpeedEvil | Simple FSK is limited to perhaps 40 bits/second |
| 09:53.48 | orlok | dont tell me it doesnt work when i work somewhere that does it |
| 09:53.57 | SpeedEvil | orlok: at what bitrate? |
| 09:54.10 | orlok | fast enough for whats needed :) |
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| 09:54.37 | orlok | though |
| 09:54.55 | SpeedEvil | orlok: I ask as some people in the past here have confused this for CSD - circuit switched data - which is very different. |
| 09:55.01 | orlok | we did have some issues due to a volcanoe the other day |
| 09:55.14 | orlok | but the main issue was our in-country tech evacuating his family |
| 09:55.16 | SpeedEvil | And works in an utterly different way. |
| 09:55.24 | orlok | SpeedEvil: yup, completely different. |
| 09:55.38 | SpeedEvil | There is no simple access to voice data. |
| 09:55.46 | orlok | SpeedEvil: did you read what i said about the phd mathemeticians, etc? |
| 09:55.51 | SpeedEvil | As far as I'm aware - through any standard API. |
| 09:56.07 | SpeedEvil | No, I just woke up, and diddn't read all the backscroll. |
| 09:56.12 | orlok | we ended up buying them some of those nvidia gpu offload cards to speed up the algo generation |
| 09:56.26 | SpeedEvil | It is possible to hack faster data-rates using voice-like codecs |
| 09:56.30 | orlok | SpeedEvil: lots of smart EE's, comp sci people, etc |
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| 09:56.33 | SpeedEvil | but that's messy. |
| 09:56.38 | Creteil | hi all |
| 09:56.53 | orlok | SpeedEvil: we have manufactured our own arm based embedded linuxmodem with a GSM chip, etc |
| 09:56.57 | SpeedEvil | I used to have a link to a paper on this. |
| 09:57.02 | orlok | deployed acorss several countries |
| 09:57.12 | orlok | etc etc etc |
| 09:57.44 | zap | Extras is down or is that just me? |
| 09:57.45 | orlok | oh, and we terminate the calls on digital lines |
| 09:57.48 | SpeedEvil | orlok: There is no standard API to get voice data directly out of the modem. It is done. |
| 09:57.51 | orlok | inside the telcos datacenter |
| 09:57.53 | Creteil | Someone know why I'm stuck at : |
| 09:57.55 | Creteil | [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sabnzbdplus] > apt-get update |
| 09:57.56 | Creteil | 0% [Waiting for headers] |
| 09:57.58 | Creteil | I'm tired of that, and it's like that since hours right now ... |
| 09:58.04 | zap | Creteil: hehe, same here |
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| 09:58.29 | SpeedEvil | orlok: err - it is done with pulseaudio internally - which could be patched, or convinced to do this. |
| 09:58.52 | SpeedEvil | orlok: but the standard software stack does not do this, and would get very confused if you attempt it. |
| 09:59.11 | Creteil | I don't understand how a compagny like Nokia doesn't have the resources to maintain decent servers ... |
| 09:59.12 | SpeedEvil | orlok: you're probably going to have to kill large parts of the infrastructure. |
| 09:59.24 | orlok | thinks his beer seems warm and flat |
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| 10:00.42 | orlok | SpeedEvil: Damn, heh |
| 10:00.59 | SpeedEvil | orlok: Many people have come in here in the past, and just assumed that you can simply connect a modem to GSM-audio - and this doesn't work - hence the confusion. |
| 10:01.02 | orlok | yeah, its not the sort ofcapability i see nokia making easily available |
| 10:01.16 | SpeedEvil | orlok: I'm not sure it's really trhat. |
| 10:01.29 | orlok | SpeedEvil: nah, heh, i understand what i am saying sounds insane |
| 10:01.36 | SpeedEvil | orlok: It's just that whole heaps of the interface are binary, without much good reason or rationale. |
| 10:01.55 | orlok | there was an app to record calls |
| 10:02.14 | Creteil | zap, it look like problem come from here : |
| 10:02.16 | Creteil | bigbob@bigbob-laptop:~$ host repository.maemo.org |
| 10:02.17 | Creteil | repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. |
| 10:02.19 | Creteil | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 10:02.20 | Creteil | a515.g.akamai.net has address 88.221.93.89 |
| 10:02.22 | Creteil | a515.g.akamai.net has address 88.221.93.120 |
| 10:02.54 | SpeedEvil | orlok: It doesn't sound insane, and can be done in two ways - either you live with under around 50bps, or you use a virtual throat that is excited by data, and 'voice recognition' on the other end. I saw reports of 1400bps this way over two GSM codecs. |
| 10:03.31 | Creteil | zap, round robin on akamai, maybe servers are ooo at akamai side ... |
| 10:03.58 | orlok | i'd say more, but.. no :) |
| 10:04.03 | Creteil | zap, but damn, ooo since many hours it's just amazing ... |
| 10:04.13 | orlok | dang |
| 10:04.22 | orlok | so i chose the wrong time to update to 1.3? |
| 10:04.35 | orlok | hold on |
| 10:04.39 | orlok | different country |
| 10:04.51 | orlok | my ISP has its own akamai cache |
| 10:05.01 | orlok | Fetched 2924kB in 5min55s (8233B/s) |
| 10:05.03 | orlok | :-\ |
| 10:05.51 | SpeedEvil | wow! |
| 10:06.01 | SpeedEvil | That's faster than a v56 modem! |
| 10:06.09 | SpeedEvil | Awesome. |
| 10:07.27 | SpeedEvil | orlok: yeah - read the source and APIs used by 'Call Recorder' - maybe I'm rwrong - I'm just going by hearsay - I haven't personally read up on all of the APIs, I've been concentrating on the hardware docs. |
| 10:07.54 | SpeedEvil | If it canbe done, there are obvious other useful things that could be done. |
| 10:09.12 | Creteil | can someone here give me the resolv of repository.maemo.org please ? |
| 10:09.17 | RobbieThe1st | And not-so-useful-things, like a robo-call application |
| 10:09.46 | RobbieThe1st | 67.148.71.9 |
| 10:09.57 | RobbieThe1st | 67.148.71.9 |
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| 10:10.03 | RobbieThe1st | er |
| 10:10.04 | RobbieThe1st | <PROTECTED> |
| 10:10.10 | zap | Creteil: both IPs don't work for me |
| 10:10.30 | RobbieThe1st | It's an Akami.net thingo |
| 10:10.33 | RobbieThe1st | so, erm... |
| 10:10.47 | RobbieThe1st | go set 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4 as your dns servers |
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| 10:12.29 | timeless_mbp | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 2849 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 10:12.30 | timeless_mbp | a515.g.akamai.net.20INA93.158.110.176 |
| 10:12.32 | zap | Creteil: dig @8.8.8.8 repository.maemo.org |
| 10:12.47 | zap | this gives me 92.123.68.72 and 92.123.68.9 |
| 10:13.23 | Creteil | bigbob@bigbob-laptop:~$ host repository.maemo.org 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:13.25 | Creteil | Using domain server: |
| 10:13.27 | Creteil | Name: 8.8.8.8 |
| 10:13.28 | Creteil | Address: 8.8.8.8#53 |
| 10:13.30 | Creteil | Aliases: |
| 10:13.31 | Creteil | repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. |
| 10:13.33 | Creteil | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 10:13.34 | Creteil | a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.122.207.146 |
| 10:13.36 | Creteil | a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.122.207.136 |
| 10:13.41 | Appiah | O_o |
| 10:13.46 | Creteil | lol |
| 10:13.48 | Creteil | :-) |
| 10:13.58 | RobbieThe1st | It's a dynamic akamai setup |
| 10:14.00 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: there are many things that can be done - for example - call screening - 'press seven to continue' |
| 10:14.12 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: To find real humans. |
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| 10:14.19 | RobbieThe1st | SpeedEvil: Yea, I know |
| 10:14.31 | SpeedEvil | RobbieThe1st: Playing back synthesized background noise, for alibis. |
| 10:15.09 | RobbieThe1st | heh, yea |
| 10:15.27 | tybollt | hmm |
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| 10:15.49 | tybollt | is mii-tool generally considered deprecated in favor of ethtool? |
| 10:16.03 | tybollt | mii-tool seems b0rked |
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| 10:19.35 | Creteil | RobbieThe1st, yes look like round-robin dns ... |
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| 10:21.24 | SpeedEvil | What I really want is live voice->text decoding and indexing of all calls, and searchability. |
| 10:21.37 | SpeedEvil | Well - assuming I had gotten >3 calls on the n900 that is. |
| 10:21.44 | pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: online services do that |
| 10:21.55 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I know. |
| 10:26.22 | alterego | What a night |
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| 10:30.36 | TermanaDesire | alterego: how was the dress up party? |
| 10:30.40 | TermanaDesire | ;p |
| 10:31.34 | alterego | Good thanks, I won the competition :D |
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| 10:33.12 | TermanaDesire | alterego: so you had a howling good time then? :p |
| 10:33.55 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 10:39.49 | alterego | Yes fangs |
| 10:40.02 | alterego | brb |
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| 10:44.38 | ham5 | new pr 1.3 I cant change my gconf.xml for the osso/dsm/locks it reverts back when I reboot...how do I set a longer auto lock time |
| 10:44.40 | ham5 | has the file changed? |
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| 10:46.10 | PaulFertser | ebzzry_: hey, feel free to look at the commit log at h-e-n:paul-experimental, i've got something new there. |
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| 10:48.24 | ham5 | look at how to set the auto lock time bigger then 1 hour |
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| 10:55.24 | Noobmonk3y | grumbles |
| 10:55.57 | ham5 | Offers Noobmonk3y some gum, you want .<~Juicy-Fruit~>. or .<~SpearMint~>. ? |
| 10:56.10 | Noobmonk3y | ooo juicy fruit not had that since i was a id! |
| 10:56.21 | Noobmonk3y | s/id/kid/ |
| 10:57.39 | Noobmonk3y | is gonna burn the world of QT if qprocess doesnt start working.......... |
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| 11:03.32 | grub3r | hi folks |
| 11:03.39 | grub3r | got a n900 quiestion |
| 11:03.51 | grub3r | ssh client |
| 11:05.34 | grub3r | when using ssh client getting about 20 lines with this message: |
| 11:05.44 | grub3r | */etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 11: Bad configuration option: |
| 11:05.51 | Noobmonk3y | random |
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| 11:06.14 | grub3r | where *option: |
| 11:06.28 | grub3r | hostkey |
| 11:06.30 | grub3r | subsystem |
| 11:06.45 | grub3r | and many more... |
| 11:06.59 | grub3r | at the end: etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 17 bad configuration options |
| 11:07.24 | grub3r | havent changed anything in sshd_config file |
| 11:07.46 | grub3r | nor in ssh_config |
| 11:09.51 | grub3r | noone, anyone? |
| 11:10.05 | ham5 | ughhh... |
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| 11:10.13 | ham5 | ID CHECK CONFIGURATION options |
| 11:10.50 | grub3r | what? how? |
| 11:11.07 | grub3r | new to n900 and maemo |
| 11:12.13 | Noobmonk3y | too early in here :p |
| 11:13.05 | jacekowski | is it really the end of maemo? |
| 11:13.11 | jacekowski | repositories down |
| 11:13.18 | jacekowski | meego released |
| 11:13.31 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:13.35 | ham5 | do they shut down the repos? |
| 11:13.43 | Noobmonk3y | looks outta the window for amageddon |
| 11:13.58 | jacekowski | it doesn't look well |
| 11:13.59 | grub3r | it must by early in here |
| 11:14.10 | grub3r | be* |
| 11:14.46 | Noobmonk3y | wohooooooooooooooooo |
| 11:14.58 | Noobmonk3y | i've got qprocess reading uptime, but the arguments are not working lol |
| 11:15.16 | RobbieThe1st | Nah, the server's just plain locked up |
| 11:15.29 | RobbieThe1st | auto-builder's not working, repo's down |
| 11:15.37 | RobbieThe1st | This is just a plain old server issue. |
| 11:17.14 | jacekowski | RobbieThe1st: because nokia switched it off |
| 11:17.19 | Noobmonk3y | lol jacekowski |
| 11:17.32 | Noobmonk3y | where MohammadAG51 when you need his SSU ;) |
| 11:17.34 | jacekowski | irc channel will be closed soon |
| 11:19.07 | grub3r | Startet the chat |
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| 11:19.33 | grub3r | no help to get, but the chat is operational... |
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| 11:21.19 | MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, here :P |
| 11:21.23 | Noobmonk3y | moaning! |
| 11:21.51 | MohammadAG51 | moanin o/ |
| 11:22.00 | Noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 11:22.13 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: as you are here, explain this to me :( (Although qprocess is now working!) |
| 11:22.14 | Noobmonk3y | http://pastebin.com/CnACAsnQ |
| 11:22.55 | Noobmonk3y | pleeease dont tell me i have to split each of those effing arguments out lol |
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| 11:24.10 | MohammadAG51 | before i click the link |
| 11:24.14 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 11:24.20 | Noobmonk3y | you need bacon? |
| 11:24.22 | MohammadAG51 | you have to split each of those effing arguments out |
| 11:24.26 | MohammadAG51 | jk |
| 11:24.27 | Noobmonk3y | oh ffs ffs ff |
| 11:24.29 | Noobmonk3y | s |
| 11:24.48 | Noobmonk3y | s/s/ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs / |
| 11:25.09 | RobbieThe1st | jacekowski: Late reply, but the build server's still -very slowly- responding. Thus, not switched off |
| 11:25.26 | MohammadAG51 | Noobmonk3y, not sure, that should work, what do you get? |
| 11:25.33 | Noobmonk3y | out put is in that link |
| 11:25.37 | Noobmonk3y | (underneath code) |
| 11:25.43 | Noobmonk3y | i get the full uptime link |
| 11:25.50 | Noobmonk3y | s/link/output/ |
| 11:25.50 | grub3r | got it working mates |
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| 11:26.27 | MohammadAG51 | scratches head |
| 11:26.35 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 11:26.48 | MohammadAG51 | never used QProcess :/ |
| 11:27.14 | MohammadAG51 | but that should work |
| 11:27.16 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
| 11:27.20 | MohammadAG51 | if there are no syntax errors |
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| 11:27.43 | Noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 11:27.46 | Noobmonk3y | just crashed the n900 |
| 11:28.29 | Noobmonk3y | meh tried to cheat and used - QString program = "uptime | sed -e 's/.*p *//' -e 's/, l.*//' -e 's/ / /'"; - same output |
| 11:28.56 | Noobmonk3y | alterego: how's your qprocess knowledge? - http://pastebin.com/CnACAsnQ :) |
| 11:30.36 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: look at /proc/uptime |
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| 11:30.43 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: the first field is uptime in seconds |
| 11:31.20 | Noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: you mean me? :) |
| 11:31.39 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 11:31.40 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 11:31.54 | Noobmonk3y | SpeedEvil: you may just have been my saviour, converting that to days will be alot easier lol! |
| 11:32.10 | Noobmonk3y | although i'ma gonna have a load more qprocess commands to get working after :) |
| 11:34.27 | MohammadAG51 | N8, initial impressions |
| 11:34.41 | MohammadAG51 | first startup -> shutdown, wtf? |
| 11:35.00 | psycho_oreos | that's symbian for you :) |
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| 11:35.33 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 11:35.57 | MohammadAG51 | UI is fast |
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| 11:37.17 | MohammadAG51 | WOW |
| 11:37.22 | MohammadAG51 | camera's epic!!! |
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| 11:39.18 | korhojoa | MohammadAG51, i tried one yesterday |
| 11:39.21 | korhojoa | laggy as hell :< |
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| 11:40.08 | jdphone | hi!! |
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| 11:45.16 | ham5 | how do I set the auto lock time bigger then 1 hour |
| 11:45.45 | ham5 | changes seem to revert back in pr 1.3 |
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| 11:51.37 | MohammadAG51 | korhojoa, |
| 11:51.41 | MohammadAG51 | i have to disagree |
| 11:54.14 | BCMM | my notification light doesn't seem to work at all in 1.3 |
| 11:54.41 | BCMM | (i have the LED Pattern Editor installed) |
| 11:54.49 | BCMM | anyone else have this problem? |
| 11:55.51 | BCMM | it just doesn't seem to light up for messages and so on, and when i test a pattern from the editor, it says "Exit status: 65280 failed to set red led current" |
| 11:55.54 | ham5 | works fine here |
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| 11:56.03 | ham5 | you have them turned on in the settings |
| 11:56.07 | BCMM | ham5: do you have the pattern editor installed? |
| 11:56.23 | BCMM | ham5: yeah, they're on in settings |
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| 11:56.27 | ham5 | notification settings |
| 11:56.31 | ham5 | have them checked? |
| 11:56.34 | BCMM | i've even enabled "device on", to make sure |
| 11:56.52 | BCMM | ham5: are you using the led pattern editor? |
| 11:56.58 | ham5 | yup |
| 11:57.04 | BCMM | huh, that' odd |
| 11:57.19 | BCMM | ham5: what version of led pattern editor do you have? |
| 11:57.22 | ham5 | changed em all up |
| 11:57.26 | ham5 | I donno |
| 11:57.32 | ham5 | its your problem tho |
| 11:57.34 | ham5 | gl hf |
| 11:57.48 | BCMM | (just checking in case i'm missing a version with a 1.3 fix or something) |
| 11:57.49 | ham5 | shit works here all im sayin |
| 11:57.57 | BCMM | right |
| 11:57.59 | BCMM | thanks |
| 11:58.14 | BCMM | i suppose it's possible that something hardware broke at they same time as me updating |
| 11:59.19 | ham5 | reflash |
| 11:59.57 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 12:00.08 | MohammadAG51 | software version on N8: "PR1.0" |
| 12:00.27 | BCMM | ham5: i just did that... that's when it broke |
| 12:00.29 | ham5 | ? |
| 12:00.42 | BCMM | ham5: it broke when i flashed 1.3 |
| 12:00.43 | ham5 | broke when you reflashed? so reflash again |
| 12:00.57 | ham5 | reflash the 1.3 is what im saying |
| 12:01.19 | ham5 | check sum the image file u downloaded |
| 12:01.27 | ham5 | confirm you have a good copy |
| 12:01.31 | BCMM | oh, hadn't thought of that |
| 12:01.37 | BCMM | flasher doesn't do that then? |
| 12:01.51 | ham5 | oh I dont know |
| 12:01.58 | ham5 | how would it know them all |
| 12:02.16 | BCMM | ham5: well, maybe an image has checksums embedded |
| 12:02.55 | BCMM | ugh, is there a way to get a checksum without typing in my IMEI again? |
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| 12:03.15 | ham5 | what img file I have 3 on hand |
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| 12:03.35 | BCMM | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:04.00 | ham5 | MR0 ? |
| 12:04.16 | psycho_oreos | b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 12:04.27 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: same, thanks |
| 12:04.41 | psycho_oreos | np |
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| 12:05.07 | BCMM | well, i can't reflash right now, because i don't have time for all the application reinstalls, and i need this phone to function as a satnav later today |
| 12:05.20 | BCMM | but i'm going to try uninstalling the pattern editor |
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| 12:05.42 | ham5 | just revert your mce.ini file from the back up |
| 12:05.52 | BCMM | actually, how can i make sure i have a "vanilla" mce config file? |
| 12:06.01 | ham5 | should of backed it up |
| 12:06.16 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51 , lcuk .... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Bacon! -> http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 |
| 12:06.23 | BCMM | ham5: well, i'm wondering if that's why stuff is broken - maybe the editor has restored a backup from before 1.3? |
| 12:06.49 | BCMM | is there a surefire way to get a vanilla mce.ini? a package i could reinstall? somewhere to download one? |
| 12:09.14 | dRbiG | Noobmonk3y: looks sorta like scottish breakfast |
| 12:09.29 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, mmm i see your bacon and its good, shall raise the stakes a little: :p http://liqbase.net/20101015_002.jpg |
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| 12:10.51 | Noobmonk3y | ooo luck..... wow! |
| 12:11.10 | Noobmonk3y | i was too lazy to get more food, so replaced mushrooms, tomatoes and sausages with extra bacon! |
| 12:11.26 | Noobmonk3y | dRbiG: its a 'Whatever was in the fridge' breakky! |
| 12:11.58 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, http://liqbase.net/20101024_004.jpg |
| 12:12.09 | SpeedEvil | is waiting delivery of his new stupidly large freezer. |
| 12:12.16 | Noobmonk3y | omg Porn, porrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn! |
| 12:12.21 | SpeedEvil | Which I shall stock with DIY ready-meals. |
| 12:12.33 | lcuk | and Noobmonk3y, you think bacon is only for breakfast? :P |
| 12:12.55 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/20101023_035.jpg |
| 12:13.00 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: just the missus cook that for you every breakfast lunch n dinner? |
| 12:13.18 | Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk i had that for dinner last night ;) |
| 12:13.21 | Myrtti | bugger, forgot to get beans |
| 12:13.22 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, hunters chicken :P |
| 12:13.25 | Noobmonk3y | bacon n cheese - roast chicken n chips :) |
| 12:13.43 | lcuk | mmmm bacon :D |
| 12:13.44 | Noobmonk3y | lol Myrtti :p |
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| 12:13.55 | Noobmonk3y | is now full |
| 12:13.59 | lcuk | Myrtti, do you have the important stuff tho? |
| 12:14.03 | lcuk | like bacon :P |
| 12:14.28 | Myrtti | lcuk: nice finnish frankfurters, tomatoes, eggs... |
| 12:14.33 | lcuk | is actually hungry now after posting pics |
| 12:14.43 | Myrtti | bacon in Finland is a bit rubbish |
| 12:14.50 | Noobmonk3y | :( |
| 12:14.53 | lcuk | Myrtti, it wasnt so bad when i got it |
| 12:15.01 | Myrtti | so I don't usually bother for anything else than cheesefilled mushrooms |
| 12:15.03 | lcuk | you just have to have more of it to make up |
| 12:15.12 | Noobmonk3y | frals: there's an opening in the finnish market! and you lot are so close to denmark, meh |
| 12:15.42 | lcuk | frals would sell trout infused bacon and it would be a speciality dish :P |
| 12:15.44 | Myrtti | Finns just don't associate that bacon can mean good rashers |
| 12:15.57 | Myrtti | it's just stripey bacon, which is a bit meh for me |
| 12:16.13 | lcuk | Myrtti, that first pic i showed was in Helsinki |
| 12:16.17 | Myrtti | thin, pathetic greasy things with little meat and a lot of hassle |
| 12:16.39 | lcuk | recalls it was uyum |
| 12:16.42 | lcuk | -u |
| 12:16.43 | Myrtti | lcuk: go to a grocery store and find me some of that. I can't. |
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| 12:16.46 | BCMM | i've just remembered that my keyboard backlight isn't working either, which is worse |
| 12:16.58 | BCMM | anyone else had the keyboard backlight and the notification light stop working in 1.3? |
| 12:17.01 | lcuk | :( Myrtti |
| 12:17.03 | Noobmonk3y | nope :| |
| 12:17.04 | Myrtti | lcuk: it's way too obvious that's from a hotel |
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| 12:17.17 | lcuk | Myrtti, its way too obvious its in my tum |
| 12:17.29 | BCMM | can someone pastebin a default mce.ini from 1.3? |
| 12:17.30 | lcuk | yum! |
| 12:18.26 | lcuk | BCMM, if you can make my 900 visible on the network i can post file |
| 12:18.27 | Noobmonk3y | aghhh ffs |
| 12:18.34 | lcuk | but its not responding and its not in its cradle |
| 12:18.37 | Noobmonk3y | there is one person from work who has found me on twitter |
| 12:18.42 | Noobmonk3y | its the bloody chief executive! |
| 12:18.44 | BCMM | lcuk: huh, what's up with it? |
| 12:18.45 | MohammadAG51 | so |
| 12:18.50 | lcuk | BCMM, MIA |
| 12:18.51 | MohammadAG51 | for a normal user, the N8 is epic |
| 12:18.58 | MohammadAG51 | for me, multitasking is meh :P |
| 12:19.04 | BCMM | oh, it is physically missing as well? |
| 12:19.05 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, best behaviour for you |
| 12:19.13 | Noobmonk3y | :| :| :| |
| 12:19.29 | MohammadAG51 | wonders if he can rm -rf or similar |
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| 12:20.19 | lcuk | wonders where his device actually is |
| 12:20.27 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: on ebay? ;) |
| 12:20.32 | lcuk | and why have i got a traffic cone here |
| 12:20.37 | BCMM | lcuk: it's ok, i remembered that there is actually another n900 in this room |
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| 12:21.24 | psycho_oreos | lcuk, to remind you of vlc? ;) |
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| 12:23.58 | BCMM | healthcheck won't light the LED either |
| 12:24.12 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, time to get your cape |
| 12:24.21 | Noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 12:26.13 | SpeedEvil | There are people that have reported failed RGB LED |
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| 12:26.21 | Noobmonk3y | BCMM: http://codepaste.net/hdod9k - baclights.sh |
| 12:26.37 | Noobmonk3y | s/baclights.sh/backlights.sh |
| 12:26.40 | Noobmonk3y | s/baclights.sh/backlights.sh/ |
| 12:26.49 | Noobmonk3y | oh meh |
| 12:26.51 | Noobmonk3y | meh meh |
| 12:26.52 | Noobmonk3y | meh meh meh |
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| 12:28.16 | Noobmonk3y | my speaker is definitley buggered since pr1.3 but just about makes a noise, so will do |
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| 12:36.21 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: thanks, was wondering if there was a low-level way to do things to leds |
| 12:36.43 | Noobmonk3y | unfortunatley thats as far as my knoledge goes - ie, testing from terminal :| |
| 12:36.46 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: so what are 1-6? three colours, left kb, right kb, cam? |
| 12:36.58 | Noobmonk3y | they are the different light bubls so to speak |
| 12:37.07 | Noobmonk3y | bulbs* led's etc |
| 12:37.14 | Noobmonk3y | there are 6 under your keyboard |
| 12:37.19 | BCMM | oh |
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| 12:37.37 | Noobmonk3y | or did you want the led test? |
| 12:37.42 | Noobmonk3y | sorry - thought u said keyboard |
| 12:37.51 | Noobmonk3y | there is a led light hardware test function |
| 12:37.52 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: both are out |
| 12:38.03 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: hardware test function? |
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| 12:38.16 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: ok, i don't have those sys entries... |
| 12:38.27 | Noobmonk3y | in terminal try - cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest |
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| 12:39.25 | BCMM_ | under /sys/class/led i have only one directory |
| 12:39.28 | BCMM_ | twl4030:vibrator |
| 12:39.37 | Noobmonk3y | ooo yahhh |
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| 12:39.42 | Noobmonk3y | rthe structure jhas all changed in 1.3 |
| 12:39.45 | BCMM | ah |
| 12:40.36 | Noobmonk3y | how weird |
| 12:40.42 | Noobmonk3y | it wont let me cd to i2c-1 :| |
| 12:41.17 | Noobmonk3y | ok, well |
| 12:41.20 | Noobmonk3y | selftest is working on mine |
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| 12:41.24 | Noobmonk3y | took me a second to get there |
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| 12:41.45 | Noobmonk3y | cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ |
| 12:41.51 | Noobmonk3y | then type cat selftest |
| 12:41.58 | BCMM | i have /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ but not /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest |
| 12:42.13 | Noobmonk3y | selftest is a file in there |
| 12:42.19 | Noobmonk3y | within 2-0032 |
| 12:42.26 | BCMM | not for me it isn't |
| 12:42.31 | Noobmonk3y | ooo ls in there |
| 12:42.34 | Noobmonk3y | what do you have? |
| 12:42.43 | BCMM | i just have but modalias name power subystem uevent |
| 12:42.48 | BCMM | s/but/bus |
| 12:42.49 | Noobmonk3y | ahh well there's ya problem! |
| 12:42.54 | BCMM | yeah... |
| 12:42.59 | Noobmonk3y | you haven't got any of the files lol! |
| 12:43.15 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: i'm assuming this is not gonna be as simple as copying them over to him? |
| 12:43.25 | BCMM | i don't think that's how sysfs works... |
| 12:43.29 | Noobmonk3y | :p |
| 12:43.34 | BCMM | maybe there's a module i don't have loaded? |
| 12:43.40 | Noobmonk3y | hmm possibly |
| 12:44.00 | Noobmonk3y | if you cat modalias, what do you get? |
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| 12:44.56 | BCMM_ | i2c:lp5523 |
| 12:45.01 | Noobmonk3y | ok, same as me |
| 12:45.04 | Noobmonk3y | so i think you are right |
| 12:45.08 | Noobmonk3y | something just isn't loading |
| 12:45.11 | BCMM | is it possible that i'm running an odd kernel? i have fcamera installed, and used to use kernel-power |
| 12:45.16 | Noobmonk3y | the problem is i have no idea on the internals of linux loading |
| 12:45.30 | Noobmonk3y | i have titans kernel .. hmmmmmmmmmm |
| 12:45.38 | BCMM | could something odd have happened when i restored the application list, ending up with my having the wrong kernel? |
| 12:45.44 | Noobmonk3y | and i did used to use kernel power |
| 12:45.51 | Noobmonk3y | yeah possibly |
| 12:45.52 | BCMM | (i did a flash then restore backups) |
| 12:46.09 | BCMM | what should a "vanilla" 1.3 install have for uname -a? |
| 12:46.10 | Noobmonk3y | worth installing or re-installing something like titans or kernel power? |
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| 12:46.28 | Noobmonk3y | lol no idea, |
| 12:46.33 | Noobmonk3y | mine is power40 variant |
| 12:47.18 | BCMM | is there anyone here who has 1.3 but hasn't messed it up, and would be prepered to pastebin lsmod and uname -a? |
| 12:48.22 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
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| 12:53.13 | Noobmonk3y | no luck? |
| 12:53.22 | hahlo | btw can one use n900 as a ltsp client? |
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| 12:54.55 | BCMM | hahlo: doesn't that require netboot? |
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| 12:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | USB hostmode finally arriving RSN: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 |
| 12:56.59 | BCMM | RSN == "really soon now"? |
| 12:57.04 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 12:57.26 | BCMM | awesome |
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| 12:58.07 | dRbiG | :D |
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| 12:58.19 | BCMM | heh, so i guess everyone who's actually here has custom kernels and so on? |
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| 12:59.06 | psycho_oreos | << has |
| 12:59.18 | hahlo | BCMM: yes pxe |
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| 12:59.58 | BCMM | hahlo: i doubt we have PXE |
| 13:00.18 | hahlo | BCMM: I just thought if somebody has made pxebootloader for n900. ok I see |
| 13:00.22 | BCMM | hahlo: i think ltsp can work with a normal kernel boot though |
| 13:00.42 | BCMM | hahlo: well, how would it work? wlan's are a bit more complex than wired ethernet |
| 13:00.50 | dRbiG | i have the stock kernel |
| 13:01.25 | BCMM | if you have 1.3, would you be so kind as to help me by pastebinning lsmod and uname -a? |
| 13:01.53 | BCMM | i think i might be missing a module or something |
| 13:02.34 | dRbiG | hmm, 1.3 - i did the big maemo update - is that what moves me to 1.3? (or, in other words, how do i check which 1.x i have?) |
| 13:02.42 | Noobmonk3y | yup lol |
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| 13:03.05 | psycho_oreos | settings > about device |
| 13:03.31 | dRbiG | 20.2010.36-2 == 1.3? :) |
| 13:03.32 | BCMM | dRbiG: if you did a big update in the last few days, and the package was called maemo 5 or something, that was pr1.3 |
| 13:03.35 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 13:03.41 | BCMM | dRbiG: yeah |
| 13:03.42 | dRbiG | as i thought |
| 13:03.45 | dRbiG | very good |
| 13:04.38 | psycho_oreos | I don't think pr1.3 would have shipped a new version of kernel would they? or maybe they might |
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| 13:05.12 | _llll_ | ~pr1.3 |
| 13:05.12 | infobot | rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 13:05.22 | _llll_ | is it not avaialble in the uk? |
| 13:05.39 | BCMM | _llll_: it's not available if your devices thinks it's a UK device |
| 13:05.50 | dRbiG | BCMM: http://pastebin.com/dfLNqwwJ |
| 13:05.57 | BCMM | Some important kernel-related bugs were fixed, for details (changelog and the actuall diff to the previous version) refer to [1]. |
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| 13:06.07 | BCMM | (from the wiki page) |
| 13:06.12 | hahlo | BCMM: true just here are so advanced hackers thou :) |
| 13:06.22 | Noobmonk3y | led_class 2948 2 leds_lp5523,leds_twl4030_vibra ;) |
| 13:06.49 | _llll_ | i would hope my device considers itself a uk device |
| 13:06.56 | dRbiG | BCMM: of course cifs is not really there by default |
| 13:07.30 | BCMM | dRbiG: thanks for the pastebin |
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| 13:08.21 | psycho_oreos | yeah kernel version seems to remain unchanged |
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| 13:10.00 | BCMM_ | is this normal in dmesg? isp_mod: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module |
| 13:10.25 | BCMM_ | preceded by many lines of isp_mod: Unknown symbol something |
| 13:12.12 | dRbiG | BCMM: no, it's not |
| 13:12.29 | BCMM | huh, anyone know what it means? |
| 13:13.13 | BCMM | i have a line identical to line 67, except that vibra comes first |
| 13:13.22 | psycho_oreos | could be a module version errors.. hmm.. |
| 13:13.29 | alterego | yawnz |
| 13:14.16 | psycho_oreos | I usually say depmod -a for cases of unknown symbols.. but with symbol disagreeing it seems like there's still older modules still out and about |
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| 13:16.54 | BCMM | what does isp_mod do? |
| 13:18.22 | psycho_oreos | ISP Control Module Library | ISP CSI2 Receiver Module |
| 13:19.12 | BCMM_ | i don't know what that means |
| 13:19.30 | Turski | MohammadAG51: btw, did you already test your fmtx module? |
| 13:19.42 | BCMM_ | i don't even know if that means "make leds not broken" or not |
| 13:20.12 | Turski | MohammadAG51: i'm going to try it now... |
| 13:20.16 | jacekowski | Turski: fmtx module? |
| 13:21.14 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: that's camera-related, right? presumably, that just means that fcam needs updating for 1.3? |
| 13:21.17 | Turski | jacekowski: PR1.2 kernel module compiled with PR1.3 headers |
| 13:21.27 | jacekowski | why? |
| 13:21.30 | Turski | jacekowski: that would allow use of fm-boost |
| 13:21.43 | jacekowski | hmm, |
| 13:22.36 | Noobmonk3y | back |
| 13:22.42 | juk | i having error compiling js in scratchbox |
| 13:23.00 | jacekowski | Turski: do you have sources of new kernel |
| 13:23.08 | jacekowski | Turski: repository is down at the moment |
| 13:23.10 | juk | editline/Linux_All_DBG.OBJ/libedit.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format |
| 13:23.13 | juk | collect2: ld returned 1 exit status |
| 13:23.15 | juk | make[1]: *** [Linux_All_DBG.OBJ/js] Error 1 |
| 13:23.45 | Turski | jacekowski: no, but got that compiled module from MohammadAG51 |
| 13:24.01 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: |
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| 13:25.08 | juk | what's wrong |
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| 13:25.43 | MohammadAG51 | yes? |
| 13:25.52 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: do you have kernel sources? |
| 13:26.29 | MohammadAG51 | for? |
| 13:26.35 | jacekowski | latest kernel |
| 13:26.44 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 13:26.52 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 13:26.55 | MohammadAG51 | it's only a patchset anyways |
| 13:26.58 | MohammadAG51 | isn't it on the repos? |
| 13:27.06 | jacekowski | repos are down |
| 13:27.24 | Noobmonk3y | oh ffs my n900 wont turn on |
| 13:28.04 | Noobmonk3y | ahaaaa back in action |
| 13:28.28 | alterego | Pics of me and my gf last night: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=243148&id=666721077&l=4948f3f3f1 |
| 13:28.32 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 13:28.33 | infobot | it has been said that hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 |
| 13:29.22 | RST38h | "the effectiveness of pat-downs does not matter very much, because the obvious goal of the TSA is to make the pat-down embarrassing enough for the average passenger that the vast majority of people will choose high-tech humiliation over the low-tech ball check." |
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| 13:30.42 | RST38h | alterego: Malware? |
| 13:31.17 | alterego | Sorry? |
| 13:31.31 | RST38h | alterego: the facebook url |
| 13:31.43 | alterego | Weird, |
| 13:31.49 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 13:31.54 | alterego | Should be a public link to that album |
| 13:31.59 | nid0 | it is |
| 13:32.02 | nid0 | worked fine for me |
| 13:32.03 | alterego | IS that firefox complaining? |
| 13:32.10 | alterego | Because I don't get that ^.^ |
| 13:32.21 | RST38h | No, me complaining =) |
| 13:32.27 | alterego | Oh, hah :P |
| 13:32.40 | RST38h | It just sounded so much like an average spam email :) |
| 13:32.50 | alterego | You can see a cheeky N900 in the first pic on the right ;) |
| 13:32.57 | alterego | So it's not completely off topic :P |
| 13:33.13 | RST38h | hehehe |
| 13:33.41 | RST38h | One day too early though, right? |
| 13:34.06 | alterego | Yeah |
| 13:34.08 | RST38h | was almost led to believe today that Haloween is supposed to happen on the night of Oct30/Oct31 |
| 13:34.20 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:37.38 | RST38h | 1) A lemming writes a "deep" blog post about his concerns of Nokia's future |
| 13:38.26 | RST38h | 2) He starts a separate t.m.o thread *about* his blog post, with the 3 lines of text containing his blog URL |
| 13:38.31 | RST38h | 3) Profit? :) |
| 13:38.36 | alterego | Heh |
| 13:38.52 | nid0 | 4) gets rightfully bashed for being an idiot |
| 13:39.01 | alterego | What about this: "still on pr 1.2 shud i bother wid pr 1.3 or stay on pr 1.2" |
| 13:39.07 | nid0 | 5) hopelessly attempts to defend his idiotic point of view |
| 13:39.09 | alterego | I find that thread topic offensive. |
| 13:39.13 | alterego | So I wont be reading it .. |
| 13:39.27 | alterego | And also mind numbingly dumb .. |
| 13:40.46 | RST38h | nid0: Nah, with the current concentration of "just good people" there, he will be preaching to the chorus of exactly the same comments as his |
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| 13:41.46 | nid0 | well luckily everyone who has replied to the thread *has* bashed him, so far at least |
| 13:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | was about to write //kickban tmo ;-P |
| 13:43.13 | juk | spidermonkey ported! |
| 13:46.56 | jacekowski | well, nokia future isn't bright |
| 13:47.04 | jacekowski | closing repositories without warning |
| 13:47.10 | jacekowski | not supporting older phones |
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| 13:48.41 | Appiah | which older phones are not supported anymore? |
| 13:49.08 | nid0 | The list is endless |
| 13:49.34 | frals | closed repos? |
| 13:49.40 | frals | thinks he has missed smth |
| 13:49.47 | Appiah | which recent phones are not supported anymore then? :) |
| 13:50.37 | RST38h | rals: Extras* are shut down, all software gone, good night. |
| 13:50.49 | RST38h | explodes in satanic laughter |
| 13:52.43 | BCMM | alterego: re the "shud i bother", some people just struggle to find ways to differentiate themselves, i guess |
| 13:53.09 | alterego | Hrm, yeah .. |
| 13:53.15 | pupnik_ | huhu RST38h |
| 13:53.21 | Noobmonk3y | frals: did you trout the repo's? |
| 13:53.36 | RST38h | ehlo pupnik |
| 13:53.40 | BCMM | someone needs to teach him to change the colour of his notification light or something |
| 13:53.47 | frals | wow reading that "b log post on nokias recent problems" |
| 13:53.49 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? It's Friday aft or what? |
| 13:53.51 | ZogG | hey |
| 13:53.53 | BCMM | then he can upgrade like the rest of us, and not feel like a sheep... |
| 13:53.57 | frals | i should start pulling shit out of my arse and post about it as well |
| 13:54.01 | ZogG | frals, how is it? |
| 13:54.15 | RST38h | BCMM: That is the most ironic part: they all end up trying to "differentiate" themselves by doing exactlyt the same things :) |
| 13:54.15 | orlok | hmm |
| 13:54.18 | pupnik_ | can we get maemo or meego on motorola droid 2? |
| 13:54.23 | orlok | i have just upgraded to 1.3 |
| 13:54.26 | RST38h | (also see "Think Different" campaign ;)) |
| 13:54.29 | ZogG | frals don't you work there? |
| 13:54.40 | orlok | apt repository suggestions? |
| 13:54.47 | ZogG | pupnik_ is droid 2 released? |
| 13:54.49 | frals | yes i work at nokia |
| 13:54.49 | pupnik_ | http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DROID-2-Review_id2502 |
| 13:55.06 | RST38h | frals: If they find out, you will be severely punished =) |
| 13:55.23 | RST38h | frals: Misrepresentation of the employer, etc =) |
| 13:55.31 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: do you know if that selftest is in regular kernels, or just a titan feature? |
| 13:55.32 | frals | err wat? |
| 13:55.33 | orlok | frals: how do i get /dev/dsp type access to the N900's GSM audio stream? |
| 13:55.41 | frals | im really not following now |
| 13:55.43 | Noobmonk3y | BCMM: works on the standard onew |
| 13:55.45 | Noobmonk3y | ones* |
| 13:55.46 | ZogG | frals so you can't =) |
| 13:55.49 | pupnik_ | it looks like an excellent competitor to N900 spec-wise |
| 13:55.51 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: on 1.3? |
| 13:55.57 | Noobmonk3y | on 1.0 -> 1.3 |
| 13:56.03 | BCMM | Noobmonk3y: i mean, if it's missing, something has gone wrong, right? |
| 13:56.03 | Noobmonk3y | and including 1.3 |
| 13:56.07 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 13:56.11 | frals | ah, right, no, i probably cant, i was just telling what i thought of his post :p |
| 13:56.13 | ZogG | pupnik_ you can go with android why bother? |
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| 13:56.17 | frals | orlok: err, why do you ask me? |
| 13:56.17 | orlok | frals: is it at all possible? |
| 13:56.26 | orlok | frals: <frals> yes i work at nokia |
| 13:56.33 | frals | so? |
| 13:56.39 | Noobmonk3y | frals: is a fish farmer, the above is all lies.......... |
| 13:56.40 | ZogG | frals you can't say anything bad on your compamy |
| 13:56.42 | nid0 | frals: you just announced you work at nokia, ergo you know everything about maemo, the n900, and everything. |
| 13:56.43 | nid0 | qed. |
| 13:56.52 | ZogG | or they force you to work exctra at weekends |
| 13:57.09 | RST38h | Let us thermorectally cryptoanalyze him! |
| 13:57.17 | orlok | frals: " i have no idea" "not possible" "we cant tell you" would all have also been good answers |
| 13:57.31 | BCMM | let's analyse everything he says as a coded message about pr1.4's release date |
| 13:57.54 | RST38h | yes, let us try composings words out of every third letter he types |
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| 13:58.09 | pupnik_ | get your omap4 phone now! (TI Blaze) http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TI_OMAP4_1123.jpg lolol |
| 13:58.23 | RST38h | That is TI's developer device |
| 13:58.33 | RST38h | And yes, it does look like a huge soapbox |
| 13:58.46 | ZogG | today wrote to 3-4 companies to port there programs to maemo =) |
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| 13:58.52 | pupnik_ | hee hee |
| 13:58.52 | alterego | Heh, That guy just has really small hands, it's about the same size as an N900 :P |
| 13:59.05 | ZogG | layer browser |
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| 13:59.20 | frals | orlok: seriously, because someone works for company X does not mean he knows anything about product Y, really ;) |
| 13:59.28 | BCMM | alterego: or it's just bad photoshop |
| 13:59.33 | pupnik_ | i'd buy a phone with a 5" screen and slider keyboard |
| 13:59.38 | ZogG | frals where do you work exactly? |
| 13:59.42 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: you 'just' have to write your own ALSA OSS compatibility layer |
| 13:59.48 | lcuk | ZogG, at his desk. |
| 13:59.56 | frals | ZogG: what lcuk said |
| 14:00.04 | ZogG | i mean what exactly |
| 14:00.16 | pupnik_ | A phone with 2x BP4L batteries for hotswapping |
| 14:00.16 | lcuk | 6'3" from his workmate on the left |
| 14:00.17 | ZogG | does is connected to meego/symbian/desktop/qt development |
| 14:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: honestly /dev/dsp is so deprecated even on 'sane' systems... |
| 14:00.31 | alterego | BCMM: heh, it looks like a 3650 |
| 14:00.37 | Turski | pupnik_: RJ45 in a phone :) |
| 14:00.54 | alterego | The second "smart" phone from Nokia |
| 14:01.06 | pupnik_ | http://i.imgur.com/50MDa.jpg 2x 3000mAh batteries in a N810 sized form factor |
| 14:01.09 | lcuk | ZogG, if you see a ninja on the street, do you ask him what he does? |
| 14:01.12 | pupnik_ | sorry 2x 1500 mAh |
| 14:01.27 | zap | "init 1" displays "+ [ x1 = x-t ]" |
| 14:01.34 | zap | is this a joke I don't understand? |
| 14:01.47 | ZogG | lcuk i fight him |
| 14:02.08 | ZogG | frals lcuk don't have to answer if it's so secret |
| 14:02.13 | lcuk | pupnik_, structural integrity requires some amount of body shell around those batteries to support them |
| 14:02.20 | RST38h | lcuk: I call the ambulance |
| 14:02.29 | lcuk | heh RST38h |
| 14:02.43 | RST38h | unless of course you are using those batteries themselves as the shell |
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| 14:03.29 | lcuk | RST38h, i wonder why they do not normally use batteries for hardware integrity in other things |
| 14:03.33 | lcuk | :P |
| 14:03.38 | pupnik_ | plenty of space for that lcuk |
| 14:03.54 | orlok | DocScrutinizer: you understand what i mean though. |
| 14:03.57 | RST38h | lcuK: because I own a patent on this ! =) |
| 14:04.01 | pupnik_ | top and bottom both have 2-3 mm |
| 14:04.08 | dsg | Anyone else seeing wifi lockups ("Firmware booted" message shortly after association until wl12xx is unloaded and reloaded) after some hours of activity? |
| 14:04.15 | dsg | After flashing pr1.3 |
| 14:04.21 | RST38h | seriously though, it is impractical to have two batteries in a phone |
| 14:04.30 | lcuk | pupnik_, not knocking the idea of course, more battery life ftw |
| 14:04.39 | orlok | easy fix |
| 14:04.41 | lcuk | but a single larger battery would eb the normal mechanism |
| 14:04.43 | RST38h | if you really want more capacity, go for a single double cap battery instead |
| 14:04.52 | orlok | would be a rechargable backpack |
| 14:05.03 | lcuk | well design specifics of a device would include "big ass" battery |
| 14:05.05 | pupnik_ | lcuk: sure - just saying ... 3000 mAh! it's not unthinkable |
| 14:05.10 | RST38h | and hotswap can be done (if really needed) with the deep sleep mode and a capacitor |
| 14:05.21 | pupnik_ | yeah |
| 14:05.23 | lcuk | RST38h, we suggest this |
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| 14:05.33 | lcuk | and its kinda sorta possible |
| 14:05.37 | alterego | I see hostmode is coming along nicely |
| 14:05.38 | orlok | if i ever start running out of juice |
| 14:05.40 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: though I actually do NOT understand exactly what you mean, I still suggest you have a look to recaller pkg sources |
| 14:05.41 | lcuk | but which existing devices out there do it now |
| 14:05.42 | RST38h | it is possible |
| 14:05.43 | orlok | i plug into my eeepc |
| 14:05.48 | lcuk | do other phones do hotswap |
| 14:05.55 | RST38h | lcuk: my wristwatch does |
| 14:06.08 | orlok | DocScrutinizer: looked, will look again |
| 14:06.10 | lcuk | i rarely have to swap the battery on my watch |
| 14:06.17 | pupnik_ | hotswap is an opportunity to add a feature that Nokia can not afford to miss |
| 14:06.18 | lcuk | quarter past the freckle |
| 14:06.19 | RST38h | lcuk: well when I do, it does |
| 14:06.27 | orlok | DocScrutinizer: i want to send and receive GSM audio data directly |
| 14:06.36 | RST38h | does not need hotswap |
| 14:06.42 | lcuk | pupnik_, well |
| 14:06.56 | lcuk | it would be time based with a capacitor |
| 14:06.57 | orlok | via a standard device preferably |
| 14:07.05 | orlok | hmm |
| 14:07.08 | RST38h | there is a plenty of other features nokia cannot afford to miss. Like regular bugfixes to their firmware. |
| 14:07.28 | orlok | can you be powering an N900 via charger/USB and remove the battery? |
| 14:07.49 | kerio | yup |
| 14:07.55 | kerio | if you set offline mode |
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| 14:08.50 | kerio | and stop any cpu-intensive process |
| 14:08.50 | kerio | and stop the bme |
| 14:08.58 | orlok | ... |
| 14:09.05 | orlok | i'll just turn it off :) |
| 14:09.05 | kerio | it's better with the wallcharger |
| 14:09.17 | kerio | orlok: the wallcharger provides 1.1A |
| 14:09.27 | orlok | ahh |
| 14:09.28 | kerio | both wifi and cellmo are largely idle |
| 14:09.34 | kerio | with bursts of up to 3A |
| 14:09.34 | orlok | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:09.46 | kerio | usb is .5A |
| 14:09.47 | orlok | as to whether it can survive the battery beoing out? |
| 14:09.51 | kerio | yup |
| 14:09.54 | orlok | hmm |
| 14:10.00 | kerio | well, it depends on the usage |
| 14:10.00 | korhojoa | if you want to be sure, make your own charger |
| 14:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: yes |
| 14:10.07 | orlok | got it, makes sense completely |
| 14:10.16 | kerio | on offline mode, it's possible |
| 14:10.23 | korhojoa | stick a linear regulator to your car battery and wire it up to put out power via the usb->microusb cable |
| 14:10.38 | orlok | yuh, yuh, easy heh |
| 14:10.38 | korhojoa | that should give you at least 10A if you heatsink it properly |
| 14:11.07 | orlok | i didnt know if there was some sort of discoupling from the battery |
| 14:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: |
| 14:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~hotswap |
| 14:11.25 | infobot | from memory, hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 |
| 14:11.52 | orlok | does robotics/electronics/imaging/etc shit for a hobby |
| 14:12.12 | zap | Anybody knows a easy way to unmount /home (being logged in via ssh/wifi) to repartition the internal memory card> |
| 14:12.24 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: you forgot the <just kidding> tags |
| 14:12.25 | orlok | got a pile of AVR's and adjustable power regulator modules lyring around |
| 14:12.41 | korhojoa | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:13.57 | orlok | korhojoa: i already have a 12V SLA battery set up with an assortment of regulaing circuits for assorted robotics crap |
| 14:14.10 | korhojoa | well then |
| 14:14.15 | korhojoa | just get 5v out and you're set |
| 14:14.25 | korhojoa | short the d+ and d- to get it to charge via that |
| 14:14.28 | DocScrutinizer | not for multilevel jokes that base on a false assumption suggesting a nonsense action that wouldn't even work correctly if the false assumption been correct. Readers tend to miss the meta level |
| 14:14.40 | orlok | korhojoa: 3d imaging using a laser rangefinder to a robot built worth cordless drill motors and chopping boards that can break an ankle |
| 14:14.49 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: stfu! |
| 14:14.54 | korhojoa | haha :P |
| 14:14.56 | orlok | ok |
| 14:14.57 | orlok | well |
| 14:15.05 | orlok | i have the factory charger |
| 14:15.05 | korhojoa | orlok, sounds pretty cool |
| 14:15.11 | korhojoa | it should work just fine |
| 14:15.15 | orlok | but i'm not actually interested in hotswap at all |
| 14:15.24 | orlok | but its awesome to know that its possible |
| 14:15.48 | orlok | if i'm ever holding some ultra-super-important national security data in ram that i cant save |
| 14:15.55 | korhojoa | alternatively, you could just get a usb power brick thing |
| 14:15.58 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: I operated my device like 5h, even with WLAN, without any battery inserted |
| 14:15.59 | orlok | and i'm forced underground away from society |
| 14:16.18 | DocScrutinizer | orlok: I'm not sure if I mentioned this in above quoted thread |
| 14:16.20 | korhojoa | DocScrutinizer, wait, what, how did you keep it from rebooting? |
| 14:16.23 | korhojoa | r&d mode or something? |
| 14:16.24 | orlok | korhojoa: yeah, my eee901 also works as a charger, heh |
| 14:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell korhojoa about hotswap |
| 14:17.59 | korhojoa | There's a 3rd condition which will lead to immediate hard switch off of charging, and that's a ~32 minutes timer inside charger chip that will unconditionally stop emergency charging when timer expires. That's where the 30 minutes figure in above instructions comes from. |
| 14:18.06 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: also see jrbme |
| 14:19.05 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ban all of them, they make laugth of me |
| 14:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | korhojoa: yes, to overcome this 32min figure, you need to do something along the lines of jrbme alternative charging method. BME will shutdown in <1s when battery gets removed |
| 14:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: hey pal, wut? |
| 14:19.58 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer =( |
| 14:19.59 | korhojoa | jrbme? |
| 14:19.59 | korhojoa | ahh. i see. clever. |
| 14:20.00 | orlok | hmm |
| 14:20.03 | ZogG | needs huge |
| 14:20.11 | korhojoa | gives ZogG a 'huge' |
| 14:20.14 | orlok | any suggested apt repositories? i just upgraded to 1.3 |
| 14:22.05 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51: -> http://pixelpipe.com/ticket/Nhde736FQhQ/B-K49Dqim0A/b38bba67-a59c-43de-9846-c34e36b7b11a |
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| 14:22.21 | Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG you yoyo |
| 14:22.27 | ZogG | orlok yes, use x86-64 repo of ubuntu |
| 14:22.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, sorry, was setting up the N8 for my mom |
| 14:23.04 | MohammadAG | my dad went back to his E66 |
| 14:23.05 | orlok | ZogG: hah hah hah. |
| 14:23.11 | MohammadAG | the N8's port is not the same as the N900's |
| 14:23.26 | MohammadAG | the OTG adapter of the N8 will not fit in the N900's port |
| 14:24.00 | korhojoa | OTG? |
| 14:24.08 | korhojoa | on-the-go, ah, okay. got it. |
| 14:24.46 | alterego | MohammadAG: got a kernel for me to try? :) |
| 14:24.55 | orlok | isnt it a standard plug? |
| 14:25.23 | MohammadAG | alterego, no :P |
| 14:25.33 | MohammadAG | orlok, it's rectangle shaped |
| 14:25.34 | alterego | curses |
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| 14:25.46 | MohammadAG | the N900's cables work in it, but the N8's cables don't work with the N900 |
| 14:25.47 | alterego | Do I have to compile it myself then? Where are the latest hen patches? |
| 14:26.07 | Kegetys | I wonder why they'd use a nonstandard cable? |
| 14:26.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, wait for a release, shouldn't be far away |
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| 14:27.03 | alterego | pfft |
| 14:27.08 | alterego | Waiting is for girls. |
| 14:27.18 | MohammadAG | I'm really liking the N8 btw |
| 14:27.23 | alterego | Have you got one? |
| 14:27.24 | MohammadAG | it's good as a phone |
| 14:27.37 | lcuk | alterego, ive got something to show you |
| 14:27.40 | alterego | I'm still seriously considering getting one .. |
| 14:27.41 | MohammadAG | it's for my mom, but yes, you could say that |
| 14:27.47 | alterego | lcuk: fire away :) |
| 14:27.52 | lcuk | wait there a mo |
| 14:27.57 | MohammadAG | alterego, been using it for an hour |
| 14:28.12 | MohammadAG | video quality is awesome on an HDTV |
| 14:28.31 | korhojoa | is it 1080p out? |
| 14:28.31 | alterego | Sweet |
| 14:28.35 | alterego | 720p |
| 14:28.38 | MohammadAG | korhojoa, looks more like 720 |
| 14:28.40 | korhojoa | okay |
| 14:28.41 | MohammadAG | ^ |
| 14:28.59 | alterego | I think only the latest OMAP4 is capable of 1080p |
| 14:29.01 | MohammadAG | the camera processes images instantly |
| 14:29.08 | alterego | That's good. |
| 14:29.16 | MohammadAG | I don't have to worry about shaking |
| 14:29.50 | MohammadAG | sound's load enough for me, but it's mono(?? WTF?) |
| 14:30.04 | korhojoa | my dad kind of wants the E7 |
| 14:30.20 | nid0 | tbh, a meego hdmi device capable of 1080p coupled with xbmc would be <3 |
| 14:30.23 | MohammadAG | btw, the default charger in the box is a 2mm one, but microUSB charging works |
| 14:30.54 | korhojoa | i don't understand why they don't switch to the microUSB |
| 14:30.55 | MohammadAG | and I'd like to praise nokia for one thing |
| 14:30.58 | MohammadAG | smooth scrolling |
| 14:31.09 | korhojoa | i know a few phones that only charge over microUSB after they're booted up |
| 14:31.13 | MohammadAG | the gallery is on par (or maybe faster) than the iPhone's gallery |
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| 14:32.05 | MohammadAG | scrolling in between photos is identical to alterego's scrolling in Qt :P |
| 14:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | N8 has a micro-AB port as is mandatory for OTG devices. The adapter has a micro-A plug, as according to USB specs. N900 changed receptacle from micro-AB to micro-B when Nokia decided N900 can't comply with OTG specs, as according to those specs a device with micro-AB has to fully support OTG ootb and Nokia didn't manage to finalize the drivers needed for cert |
| 14:32.39 | alterego | MohammadAG: I was going to work on something similar for the N900 actually ;) |
| 14:32.49 | MohammadAG | alterego, yay :) |
| 14:32.53 | MohammadAG | err, wait, was? |
| 14:32.55 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: does it have hdmi port? |
| 14:33.07 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, needs the inbox adapter |
| 14:33.11 | alterego | Well, I've not got around to it. |
| 14:33.18 | alterego | Might start on it now actually .. :D |
| 14:33.23 | MohammadAG | but yes, I used my PS3's cable |
| 14:34.07 | Kegetys | ah, does the N8 have the same shaped plug as the N810? |
| 14:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: WHAT??? N8 has a barrel 2mm charger receptacle?? |
| 14:34.36 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, yes, it charges via both microUSB and 2mm |
| 14:34.45 | MohammadAG | probably for charging while using OTG |
| 14:34.46 | jacekowski | wow |
| 14:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | *loves* N8 hardware |
| 14:34.55 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 14:35.01 | MohammadAG | it's OMAP2 though, right? |
| 14:35.12 | nid0 | dumb question, can it charge from both at the same time? |
| 14:35.20 | korhojoa | usually they just pick one |
| 14:35.35 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: dumb answer: how should that work? |
| 14:35.40 | MohammadAG | the E75 also has both 2mm and MicroUSB |
| 14:35.52 | korhojoa | i tried plugging in both microusb and the 2mm to a E75 and it charged from the one first plugged in |
| 14:35.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it should charge up till it explodes |
| 14:36.17 | korhojoa | when that first source was disconnected it showed a charger disconnected thing, and then immediately a charger connected |
| 14:36.23 | orlok | N8 runs what os? |
| 14:36.28 | Kegetys | I have an OTG cable with the same shaped plug as the N900 though so the rectangular one is apparently just shaped differently? |
| 14:36.28 | korhojoa | ^3 |
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| 14:36.44 | MohammadAG | Symbian^3, which is amazingly a huge improvement from ^1? |
| 14:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: A |
| 14:36.58 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: chargers are B |
| 14:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: see my above lengthy post |
| 14:37.41 | Kegetys | DocScrutinizer: I mean that the rectangular plug is electrically the same as the one in N900 |
| 14:37.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:37.58 | Kegetys | as my N900-shaped OTG cable works fine in the N810, putting it to OTG mode automatiacally |
| 14:38.18 | Kegetys | -a |
| 14:38.27 | DocScrutinizer | A, B, AB just differ in mech shape |
| 14:38.44 | DocScrutinizer | A and B plugs fit AB receptacles |
| 14:38.49 | MohammadAG | also, angry birds is more enjoyable on the N8 |
| 14:39.04 | DocScrutinizer | N810 has AB, N900 has B |
| 14:39.07 | MohammadAG | better FPS and colours |
| 14:39.14 | Kegetys | would be cool if this cable would work on the N900 automatically some day as well :) |
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| 14:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | chargers have B plugs, usual standard OTG cables have A plugs |
| 14:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | ..at one end |
| 14:39.56 | MohammadAG | haptic feedback isn't on touch only |
| 14:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | A plug have ID pin grounded |
| 14:40.06 | DocScrutinizer | so device can detect them |
| 14:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | and switch to hostmode |
| 14:40.16 | MohammadAG | it vibrates three successive times (very quickly) when you select something in the camera |
| 14:41.01 | MohammadAG | doesn't vibrate when scrolling between homescreens |
| 14:41.15 | MohammadAG | overall, it's an enjoyable experience, till you remember it's symbian |
| 14:41.46 | MohammadAG | and they stole _OUR_ naming scheme, SW that came on it is called PR1.0 |
| 14:41.48 | DocScrutinizer | a really standard conforming OTG cable has a micro-A at one end (GND on ID pin) and a micro-B at the other end |
| 14:42.06 | DocScrutinizer | the device you plug A into is host, the other is peripheral |
| 14:42.14 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, do you still want kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz? |
| 14:42.21 | DocScrutinizer | (until OTG does a HNP :-P) |
| 14:43.15 | Kegetys | yeah I got this from ebay so no wonder its nonstandard. but seems a bit silly to have the separate A and B plugs if they are electrically the same |
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| 14:43.46 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz apply it on a vanilla 2.6.28 |
| 14:44.15 | DocScrutinizer | Kegetys: they are electrically the same so AB receptacles can work. A nad B are to distinguish peripherals from hosts |
| 14:44.22 | DocScrutinizer | like on all USB |
| 14:45.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: screwit! git-pull pauls branch on h-e-n |
| 14:47.50 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: and tell MohammadAG how to do the same :-P |
| 14:49.56 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I refuse to work on maemo.org's git |
| 14:50.06 | DocScrutinizer | ""...on a vanilla 2.6.28"" WTF? a mainbranch linus vanilla 2.6.28, or a Nokia vanilla 2.6.28 or what? Mohammad is trying to drive us all crazy with his clusterbombing patches against random sources |
| 14:50.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, vanilla means kernel.org |
| 14:50.29 | MohammadAG | you should know that |
| 14:50.38 | MohammadAG | and they're not MY patches, they're nokias |
| 14:50.59 | DocScrutinizer | MEH |
| 14:51.12 | MohammadAG | you're not making sense |
| 14:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | no, YOU are |
| 14:51.36 | MohammadAG | why would jacekowski apply Nokia patches to a Nokia vanilla to make it a nokia vanilla? |
| 14:51.45 | MohammadAG | we're not making memes, the repo is down, he wants the patches |
| 14:51.49 | MohammadAG | yes, indeed I am |
| 14:52.05 | korhojoa | [not making sense] |
| 14:52.09 | redeeman | is bluetooth handled by the same chip/radio as wifi? |
| 14:52.20 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: why do you think jacekowski would even WANT to apply any moh patch to create a nokia vanilla??? |
| 14:52.23 | redeeman | bluetooth/wifi has completely stopped working, the bluetooth controller doesn't even show up anymore |
| 14:52.25 | alterego | redeeman: I believe so, yes. |
| 14:52.37 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any moh? patch? |
| 14:52.42 | MohammadAG | it's fucking nokia's from nokia's fucking repo |
| 14:53.12 | redeeman | i guess my device is toast then |
| 14:53.35 | alterego | What am I doing .. |
| 14:53.42 | alterego | I can do this in Qt Quick! :D |
| 14:53.54 | alterego | has just had an awesome interface idea. |
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| 14:55.03 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: nokia "patches" on git https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/maemo-rx51-kernel |
| 14:55.39 | DocScrutinizer | though when nokia's repo is down odds are this won't work either |
| 14:55.45 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmmmm |
| 14:55.49 | Noobmonk3y | am i being stupid... |
| 14:55.57 | Noobmonk3y | is there no way to change version number in qt creator? |
| 14:56.19 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, for debs? those are just for testing, when you want to push to devel you need to use scratchbox :P |
| 14:56.30 | Noobmonk3y | aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 14:56.32 | Noobmonk3y | noooooooooooooooooooooo |
| 14:56.38 | Noobmonk3y | oh buggerydoo daaaaaaaa |
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| 14:56.55 | Noobmonk3y | so much for making life simple |
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| 14:58.32 | kerio | i want a n9 |
| 14:58.37 | kerio | :< |
| 14:58.38 | Noobmonk3y | i wonder if i wait long enough that will change :P |
| 14:59.04 | Noobmonk3y | kerio bacon will have to do ->http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 |
| 14:59.07 | Noobmonk3y | http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 even |
| 14:59.22 | zap | Are there good rescue initrds out there? Something with which I could ssh into n900 and do something? (like there was for N810) |
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| 15:05.32 | MohammadAG | zap, yes, meego's |
| 15:05.48 | MohammadAG | ~initrd |
| 15:05.48 | infobot | well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 15:05.53 | zap | initrd-rescue from meego enables networking, but for some reason I can't ping the nokia? I have usb0 on pc set up to 192.168.2.1 |
| 15:05.54 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:06.15 | MohammadAG | shouldn't it be 192.168.2.15? |
| 15:06.25 | zap | 2.15 is N900? |
| 15:06.29 | zap | my pc is 2.1 |
| 15:06.29 | MohammadAG | configure your PC as 192.168.2.14 |
| 15:06.33 | MohammadAG | N900's 192.168.2.15 |
| 15:06.34 | zap | hmm ok |
| 15:08.10 | zap | 18:08:06.087236 arp who-has 192.168.2.15 tell 192.168.2.14 |
| 15:08.16 | zap | that's what I see on usb0 with tcpdump |
| 15:08.36 | zap | is that kernel for N900? |
| 15:08.56 | MohammadAG | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd <-- yes |
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| 15:13.50 | Frode_Haugsgjerd | hi anyone got a mirror of the flasher util forn n900, the download site is unavailable |
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| 15:16.35 | zap | nope, does not ping even |
| 15:16.46 | zap | strange problem, with n810 it worked nicely |
| 15:17.17 | zap | Frode_Haugsgjerd: http://cs.ozerki.net/zap/flasher-3.5 |
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| 15:23.34 | zap | usb storage mode works fine, hm |
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| 15:26.55 | Frode_Haugsgjerd | thx zap :) |
| 15:32.47 | zap | Hmm 68 unused megabytes after the swap partition on internal MMC... are they used somehow? Or I can grow the swap in there? :) |
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| 15:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | zap: >>Toggle USB networking on/off (N) >>Start [local] recovery terminal (T) |
| 15:40.01 | Aranel | Is there any music visualizer for Maemo? |
| 15:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | zap: even with N on, it's unclear if the IP stack is configured to answer pings |
| 15:40.37 | lcuk | Aranel, one in progress |
| 15:40.43 | lcuk | but not yet released |
| 15:40.51 | lcuk | dunno about others |
| 15:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: o/ |
| 15:41.08 | Aranel | lcuk: what is it and who's developing it? maybe I can convince him to make me a beta tester! ^^ |
| 15:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 15:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | bet it's liq* |
| 15:41.44 | juk | why guys porting androids ubuntus instead of improving maemo |
| 15:41.45 | lcuk | Aranel, kotczarny and pupnik_ are hacking in #liqbase on it atm - mostly targetting x86 at this time |
| 15:42.36 | Aranel | lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8dsjLyGl6s |
| 15:42.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you noticed ~hostmode? |
| 15:42.53 | Aranel | lcuk: can't I make the same thing with gstreamer? some "magic" command? |
| 15:43.04 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, :) kot and I have been long time friends and helping each other to optimise and improve performance |
| 15:43.32 | lcuk | Aranel, idk, can you? |
| 15:44.04 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 15:44.04 | infobot | hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 |
| 15:44.10 | Aranel | lcuk: I hope. I'll try asking them about it. |
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| 15:45.26 | lcuk | oooh DocScrutinizer :) |
| 15:45.51 | lcuk | Aranel, thats an awesome visualisation |
| 15:45.53 | MohammadAG | lcuk, there's always gstreamer |
| 15:46.06 | MohammadAG | Aranel, yes, gstreamer |
| 15:46.07 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 15:46.22 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34717 Aranel lcuk |
| 15:46.37 | Aranel | lcuk: yup, I loved it too and he did it a year ago so I think It shouldnt be hard to do. |
| 15:50.52 | Aranel | MohammadAG: yay it's working it's working! ^^ |
| 15:51.24 | Aranel | MohammadAG: It's kinda slow but looks awesome. How can I make it play the music at same time? |
| 15:53.18 | Noobmonk3y | feels clean :) |
| 15:53.22 | alterego | Grrr, I need N810 fiasco and tablets-dev is throwing up |
| 15:53.33 | kerio | hmm, is the n900 still under warranty? |
| 15:53.40 | kerio | i don't have the receipt anymore |
| 15:53.58 | MohammadAG | Aranel, no idea ;) |
| 15:54.17 | MohammadAG | but it should be possible, since afaik the built in player uses gstreamer |
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| 15:56.04 | Aranel | MohammadAG: lcuk: thank you :) I am googling about it now, maybe I can find a way to make gstreamer play the music too. |
| 15:56.45 | juk | so nokia wont dumps us with n900 maemo users? |
| 15:57.45 | MohammadAG | Aranel, rythmbox does it afaik |
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| 15:58.44 | Aranel | MohammadAG: rhytmbox? does it work good on N900? I used it with a GNOME desktop long time ago but I guess It would be a very heavy app for us. |
| 15:59.01 | kerio | MohammadAG: you might as well install gnome |
| 15:59.29 | juk | Aranel: sure it's ***ing heavy for n900 |
| 16:00.11 | juk | it's actually stupid idea to making desktop on cell phone |
| 16:00.19 | MohammadAG | no, it works on ubuntu :P |
| 16:00.40 | MohammadAG | question is, how do I make a window fullscreen |
| 16:00.44 | Aranel | juk: lol I mean GNOME desktop on my Ubuntu box, not N900. |
| 16:04.23 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 16:04.26 | MohammadAG | anyone used wmctrl before? |
| 16:05.18 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is up with repositories et al? |
| 16:05.29 | MohammadAG | ha! |
| 16:05.31 | MohammadAG | wmctrl -i -r 0x04a00005 -b toggle,fullscreen |
| 16:05.44 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, they're down, hence why jacekowski asked for the patches I uploaded |
| 16:06.26 | DocScrutinizer | I know they're down. The question is: Anybody in duty and actively caring to bring them back up again |
| 16:06.29 | Noobmonk3y | hmm can i ask another stupid qt question pleeeeeeeeease! |
| 16:06.30 | MohammadAG | Aranel, wmctrl -i -r 0x04a00005 -b toggle,fullscreen |
| 16:06.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause || guess not lol |
| 16:07.05 | Aranel | MohammadAG: what is does? |
| 16:07.09 | Aranel | it* |
| 16:07.19 | MohammadAG | fullscreen visualization |
| 16:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I placed that notice into topic :-P |
| 16:07.25 | MohammadAG | after you launch it of course |
| 16:07.26 | Aranel | MohammadAG: ^^ |
| 16:07.34 | Aranel | MohammadAG: did I said that I'm a huge fan of you? :D |
| 16:07.38 | Noobmonk3y | qDebug() << myProcess->readAllStandardOutput(); displays df-h fine in debug, but how do i get that into a QtextBrowser? tried converting it to a stringlist and a textstream, but it only wants strings :( |
| 16:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: ping |
| 16:08.22 | Aranel | MohammadAG: oh, wmctrl doesn't work on mine, wmctrl not found. |
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| 16:08.56 | MohammadAG | wmctrl -l | grep gst-launch*| awk '{print $1}' actually |
| 16:08.59 | MohammadAG | hmm, no |
| 16:09.20 | MohammadAG | wmctrl -i -r `wmctrl -l | grep gst-launch*| awk '{print $1}'` -b toggle,fullscreen |
| 16:09.25 | MohammadAG | looks like |
| 16:09.35 | pupnik_ | goom + gstreamer running on tv-out (omap3, n900) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8dsjLyGl6s nice nice |
| 16:09.40 | Aranel | MohammadAG: yup it's working now. |
| 16:11.50 | RST38h | pupnik: looks like you can see the proximity sensor blinking infrared at this image =) |
| 16:11.54 | RST38h | or is it just noise? |
| 16:12.15 | RST38h | pupnik: 0:12 |
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| 16:14.40 | pupnik_ | wow |
| 16:15.09 | MohammadAG | RST38h, proximity never turns off |
| 16:15.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: just a flicker from the tv screen then |
| 16:15.33 | pupnik_ | no, i think you're right perhaps |
| 16:15.35 | MohammadAG | I said, never turns off |
| 16:15.38 | pupnik_ | because the flicker position doesn't move |
| 16:15.39 | MohammadAG | it's always on |
| 16:15.51 | pupnik_ | if it were a reflection, it would change position as the camera moves |
| 16:16.08 | MohammadAG | get an infrared cam, and film the N900 |
| 16:16.16 | lcuk | MohammadAG, just because the low level driver doesnt turn off does not mean its not |
| 16:16.18 | MohammadAG | the front and back sensors are always on, even when not in use |
| 16:16.25 | lcuk | it looks to me like its blinking also |
| 16:16.31 | MohammadAG | lcuk, it always blinks |
| 16:16.34 | jarkkom | I think most phone proximity sensors are ir-based, they measure reflection |
| 16:16.37 | MohammadAG | same with the N97/5800 etc |
| 16:18.17 | jarkkom | or I guess you have dozen different ways to do it but IR emitter/detector one probably would be cheapest |
| 16:19.05 | pupnik_ | >>> MUST SEE <<< pilot lands plane after losing wing >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIT2wIdK2v4 |
| 16:19.05 | Aranel | MohammadAG: lol, It sounds stupid I know but now I figured out why gstreamer doesn't give me music output. |
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| 16:19.50 | Aranel | MohammadAG: It's because I muted N900 and completely forgot about it :| Now It works, fullscreen + music also plays too ^^ |
| 16:20.51 | MohammadAG | oh, you didn't have music at all? |
| 16:21.00 | MohammadAG | lol I thought you wanted it to play with the default player |
| 16:22.13 | Aranel | MohammadAG: lol no, It didnt play music at all and I thought It's because gstreamer is set to only visualization not playing it actually. |
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| 16:22.26 | pupnik_ | that's a mind blowing youtube ^^ |
| 16:23.02 | Aranel | MohammadAG: playing it on the default player would be nice too but I think It would be pretty hard for me, music player is closed source :( |
| 16:23.08 | Noobmonk3y | right, off to the cinema! |
| 16:23.10 | Noobmonk3y | ciao alls |
| 16:23.34 | Aranel | pupnik_: MohammadAG said you're also working on a visualizer, how it's going? |
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| 16:23.48 | Aranel | pupnik_: oops, not MohammadAG, lcuk :) |
| 16:23.48 | MohammadAG | lcuk did, not me |
| 16:23.48 | pupnik_ | Aranel: lots of fun |
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| 16:24.15 | Aranel | pupnik_: can I try it? can I? can I? |
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| 16:25.32 | pupnik_ | Aranel: wget http://ariel.w.tkb.pl/osc/osc27 and then http://ariel.w.tkb.pl/osc/pix/ to find compilable rules |
| 16:26.25 | Aranel | pupnik_: yay, thanks |
| 16:26.33 | javispedro | 's developing a "simplistic" fmradio clone atm http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/cfmradio/cap1.png |
| 16:27.00 | javispedro | written in C, < 100 KiB, warm-starts up in less than a second :) |
| 16:27.28 | pupnik_ | nice javispedro |
| 16:27.46 | RST38h | javispedro: BRING IT ON! (C)George WWW Bush |
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| 16:28.05 | RST38h | actually,make it WW |
| 16:28.28 | hahlo | "yes we can" the another president |
| 16:28.45 | RST38h | javispedro: Can I have a tiny feature request? |
| 16:28.55 | javispedro | it has no features, so ask =) |
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| 16:29.11 | VladNistor-mob | nokia bluetooth keyboard is funny with the n900 |
| 16:29.30 | RST38h | javispedro: Add background in the shape of an old tube radio dial :) |
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| 16:29.51 | RST38h | javispedro: ask wazd for graphics if needed, I am sure he will be happy to make some up |
| 16:29.55 | VladNistor-mob | it does not recognise the FN on the keyboard, but if i press the fn on the phone it works on the keyboard |
| 16:30.31 | VladNistor-mob | and longpress of keys works just like on phone |
| 16:30.43 | javispedro | RST38h: wazd already prototyped a fmradio app: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/preview-fm-radio-for-n900/ |
| 16:30.53 | javispedro | but I personally want to keep this one simplistic |
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| 16:31.15 | RST38h | javispedro: I believe adding a fixed background will not complicate it too much :) |
| 16:31.37 | MohammadAG | hehe, N8's battery low ding is an enhanced N900 one |
| 16:32.09 | RST38h | N900 makes really creepy noises when it runs out of battery |
| 16:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | (proximity) ack, those sensor chips are always on |
| 16:32.49 | SpeedEvil | Speaking personally, I hate the stupid scrolly concept of a scrollbar for FM tuning. |
| 16:32.55 | SpeedEvil | I know the frequency. |
| 16:33.02 | lcuk | kenneth? |
| 16:33.06 | SpeedEvil | I want to bea able to type in 102.8 |
| 16:33.09 | RST38h | If you know the frequency, enter it with keyboard! |
| 16:33.13 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: that works |
| 16:33.22 | SpeedEvil | That diddn't work ith fmradio last I tried it |
| 16:33.23 | lcuk | portrait mode keyboard |
| 16:33.29 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: in my app ,of course. |
| 16:33.47 | SpeedEvil | ah, sorry. |
| 16:33.49 | MohammadAG | <SpeedEvil> Speaking personally, I hate the stupid scrolly concept of a scrollbar for FM tuning. << +1 on that |
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| 16:33.59 | javispedro | that's what I dislike about the current radio app, it's very nice and newbie-friendly. |
| 16:34.01 | MohammadAG | I hate how it doesn't stop where you left it |
| 16:34.01 | javispedro | but... |
| 16:34.24 | SpeedEvil | Also - I hate teh concept in that it wastes half of the power. |
| 16:34.26 | MohammadAG | oh for fuck's sake nokia, no symbian sdk for linux? |
| 16:34.35 | SpeedEvil | It will mostly chew through the battery in 8 hours |
| 16:34.53 | SpeedEvil | whereas properly implemented, it should only use about 30% |
| 16:34.54 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: not fixable; i'm using pulseapi drectly instead of gstreamer, so I guess it will improve a bit, but not much |
| 16:35.04 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 16:35.19 | SpeedEvil | Unfortunately doing it 'right' is not possible without pulseaudio hacking. |
| 16:35.44 | javispedro | if someone wants to port module-loopback to pulse 0.9.15, that should help reduce two context changes per each 10*4096 block |
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| 16:35.45 | SpeedEvil | You basically need to teach pulseaudio about using the audio hardware as more than just a/d and d/a |
| 16:35.52 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: err - no |
| 16:36.14 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: you can configure it so that it the audio path never leaves the audio chip at all. |
| 16:36.25 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: The CPU is completely asleep when doing FM radio. |
| 16:36.27 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: first pyfmradio did that |
| 16:36.35 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: breaks speakers, you know |
| 16:36.50 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: specially with fmradio as bypass volume is quite loud |
| 16:36.57 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: and hardly regulable with the hardware mixer |
| 16:37.06 | SpeedEvil | The chip also has onboard speaker protection filters. |
| 16:37.45 | javispedro | not the kind we need, or else you would just have fixed around 50%'s of what pulseaudio employs its cpu time on =) |
| 16:37.53 | SpeedEvil | but you need to fix PA, or you break audio for the rest of the fevice. |
| 16:38.04 | SpeedEvil | yes, the kind that's needed - they do high-pass filtering just fine. |
| 16:38.46 | javispedro | are you _completely_ sure? pulseaudio needs no fixes at all. |
| 16:39.16 | javispedro | so it would seem stupid if the feature is there but completely unused and htey bothered to code a software version of it |
| 16:39.29 | SpeedEvil | I mean pulseaudio as I understand it treats the soundcard as d/as and a/ds - it uses none of the internal routing capability or digital filters. |
| 16:39.33 | SpeedEvil | This is common. |
| 16:39.47 | SpeedEvil | People write specs based on not reading all of the datasheets. |
| 16:40.04 | SpeedEvil | And do stuff like polling, when the device supports change interrupts. |
| 16:40.06 | javispedro | this is like.. the #1 complain on the audio subsystem on the N900. |
| 16:40.12 | SpeedEvil | (see the orientation detection.) |
| 16:41.56 | RST38h | They use pulse to do some filtering to save the speakers |
| 16:42.06 | RST38h | Otherwise, you may damage speakers |
| 16:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: it IS completely stupid |
| 16:42.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I know it IS stupid. but a few minutes ago, I thought it was unfixable save for DSP xprot. |
| 16:42.56 | SpeedEvil | I forget who did a test implementation. See page 38 of http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=tlv320aic34&fileType=pdf |
| 16:43.03 | SpeedEvil | the codec datasheet. |
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| 16:43.17 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: who had a test implementation of the inbuilt filtering/ |
| 16:43.34 | DocScrutinizer | forgot the nick :-/ shame on me |
| 16:43.49 | RST38h | ShadowJK? |
| 16:43.53 | RST38h | konttori? |
| 16:43.54 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 16:44.00 | javispedro | MNZ? |
| 16:44.00 | RST38h | mmm... |
| 16:44.06 | DocScrutinizer | 3 letter asian guy aiui |
| 16:44.08 | ShadowJK | not me |
| 16:44.09 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ |
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| 16:44.15 | javispedro | MNZ is doing it on the DSP! |
| 16:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | sounds right |
| 16:44.27 | javispedro | not by any codec filter afaik |
| 16:44.32 | javispedro | but by a filter on the dsp |
| 16:44.39 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 16:44.53 | SpeedEvil | Ah - MNZ |
| 16:45.05 | DocScrutinizer | what means DSP? of course the filters on audio codec are a DSP |
| 16:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | but not THAT DSP |
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| 16:45.31 | SpeedEvil | See page 38 - of the above link - it's a FIR/IIR filter inside the audio codec chip. |
| 16:45.54 | DocScrutinizer | even 2, or 4 |
| 16:46.22 | SpeedEvil | It's not a very good filter - it can't do parametric EQ. But it's fine for simple high/low-pass |
| 16:46.25 | DocScrutinizer | 2 for preemphasis (exploitable though) and 2 general-purpose |
| 16:47.08 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: it CAN do parametric EQ, that's the whole point |
| 16:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | it can't do graphic EQ |
| 16:47.26 | SpeedEvil | Yeah |
| 16:47.29 | SpeedEvil | I meant graphic |
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| 16:48.40 | DocScrutinizer | unless you transfor your graphic EQ settings to a parametric one that fits on the chip's filter HW |
| 16:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so, again - stupid or not? :-P |
| 16:50.50 | javispedro | before shouting it aloud I'd need to guess what are the cons. |
| 16:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | clumsy to handle, especially for SW centric developers that don't give a shit about reading complex chip datasheets |
| 16:52.25 | javispedro | (or because of HW centric developers that do not give a shit about common usage by the software =) ). |
| 16:52.46 | DocScrutinizer | less universal than the PA SW centric approach which is well orthodox inside the maemo audio paradigme |
| 16:53.56 | javispedro | PA is a just a wrapper over ALSA. If it can be implemented on ALSA, it can be implemented on PA. |
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| 16:54.04 | SpeedEvil | It's easier to implement stuff in software if you ignore all the complex modes of the chips, that the HW designers of the chips put there to save battery. |
| 16:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: the main hw glitch in N900 audio which burns the speakers obviously is the missing highpass/DC-decoupling. Quite clearly these small transducers don't like being driven @ 5Hz and full power, from a DC-coupled class-D amp |
| 16:56.43 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: when maemo developers noticed speakers escaping magic blue smoke, they entered panic mode and implemented a fix in PA |
| 16:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | nobody even considered it could be done in HW |
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| 16:57.09 | lcuk | biggest n900 related audio issue is nothing to do with electronics |
| 16:57.12 | lcuk | its positioning! |
| 16:57.18 | lcuk | the sound comes out sideways |
| 16:57.38 | lcuk | put a pair of bat ears on the n900 to send the device towards operators ears ;) |
| 16:57.46 | lcuk | send the sound |
| 16:58.07 | DocScrutinizer | well, those ears are available for iPhone :-P |
| 16:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | maybe they fit to N900 as well ;-D |
| 16:59.02 | lcuk | i left my headphones when i was on a long train trip one time |
| 16:59.43 | lcuk | had to cup hands to be able to hear things |
| 17:00.23 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, it's not a pocket megaphon :-D |
| 17:01.55 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: page 38 talks about a "digital" filter |
| 17:01.58 | javispedro | not an analog |
| 17:02.00 | javispedro | one. |
| 17:02.14 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: legend has it this was the reason for the last delay of N900 MP rollout |
| 17:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: so what? |
| 17:02.43 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: yes - it's got internal A/D and D/A |
| 17:02.48 | javispedro | on power save mode, all dacs and adcs are powered off |
| 17:02.50 | SpeedEvil | It goes digital internally |
| 17:02.54 | javispedro | oh. |
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| 17:04.39 | Creteil | Hi |
| 17:05.28 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: well, I see your point for the particular usecase SpeedEvil was pondering. Needs further evaluation, I'm not sure about that (audio with filter while CPU asleep), but I'm sure for all 'normal' usecases that digital filter is good enough to get rid of this 30% PA cpu hog |
| 17:05.32 | Creteil | No news about the cause of repos down ? |
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| 17:06.18 | Creteil | If someone have : |
| 17:06.20 | Creteil | Filename: pool/fremantle/free/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3maemo1_armel.deb |
| 17:06.21 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: nope :-/ |
| 17:06.21 | Creteil | Can it send me please ? |
| 17:06.23 | javispedro | now my question is. |
| 17:06.51 | javispedro | so if it's just a matter of writting some control registers, like reg 12, and just setting audio to the adcs as per usual.. |
| 17:06.57 | javispedro | s/setting/sending/ |
| 17:07.08 | javispedro | sounds trivial? |
| 17:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | yes, it is |
| 17:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ did a POC |
| 17:07.34 | javispedro | this has nothing to do with PA, then. It's just a matter of exposing the functionality to userspace. |
| 17:07.56 | javispedro | (well, and then disabling whatever PA does...) |
| 17:08.04 | javispedro | (and trying to talk to Nokia about it...) |
| 17:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | yes, plus getting rid of this cruft Nokia implemented into the closed source speaker protection |
| 17:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | axactly |
| 17:08.31 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, I'm just amazed how a company like Nokia can have this sort of troubles with repositories :-( |
| 17:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | exactly |
| 17:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | Creteil: no idea- maybe because it's weekend |
| 17:09.09 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: supposedly disabling xprot has been done already, because it reads what to do from a .ini file for all I know. |
| 17:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: alas the "talking to Nokia" part is hard, you know |
| 17:09.44 | Creteil | DocScrutinizer, lol, Someone at Nokia switched of the NOC when going to the week-end :-) mouahahahaha |
| 17:09.47 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I know the answer already: "try and try to integrate it on Meego kernels first" |
| 17:10.34 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: Nokia not even willing to release the audiometric specs of their filter cruft |
| 17:10.40 | Creteil | s/switched of the NOC/switched OFF the NOC/ |
| 17:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: just like they don't disclose any other specs like e.g battery charging parameters recommended, or max current for flash LEDs, or or or |
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| 17:14.00 | DocScrutinizer | either you do a complete RE on existing closed blob crap like bme, PA speaker prot... Or you implement on best guess and test if it actually works like expected or will break your device |
| 17:14.17 | javispedro | I understand that's awful. |
| 17:14.35 | javispedro | btw, what does meego-arm do here regarding xprot? are you pulling nokia's PA modules? |
| 17:14.43 | DocScrutinizer | As community developers usually don't have a 5 dozen to do the latter approach, it's not better than on any other completely closed platform |
| 17:14.51 | javispedro | does anyone know or I have to ping Sts_keeps ? ;) |
| 17:14.57 | Aranel | pupnik_: wget osc27, wget osc-2010.10.30-11.. , ./osc27, gcc osc-2010.. , correct? |
| 17:15.40 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: (meego xprot) "we'll deal with that later" |
| 17:16.09 | javispedro | makes mental note not to listen to any music using meego |
| 17:16.14 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I brought it up on #meego-arm |
| 17:16.46 | DocScrutinizer | reaction was, errrm... not worth remembering |
| 17:17.14 | javispedro | that's some good info to add to a potential bugreport |
| 17:17.42 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 17:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | #meego is somewhat pretty ignorant regarding such topics. First thing you receive is bashing with "Is it upstream??" |
| 17:18.43 | javispedro | "No, it is Nokia propietary". |
| 17:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | soHso me is going "MEH, screwit" |
| 17:19.08 | javispedro | I can understand such a upstream rule. |
| 17:19.25 | javispedro | I cannot understand stupid Nokia propietariness. |
| 17:19.46 | DocScrutinizer | such an upstream rule won't get you any platform specific drivers anyway |
| 17:20.08 | javispedro | we're talking about exposing codec features through alsa. nothing platform-specific so far. |
| 17:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | it's not upstream as Nokia hasn't pushed it. So meego won't get it as it's not upstream, and nobody cares |
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| 17:21.21 | javispedro | lemme see if we're talking about the same thing |
| 17:21.29 | javispedro | what's needed is information on what is xprot exactly doing |
| 17:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:21.38 | javispedro | so that we can replicately it on a hw level |
| 17:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:22.09 | DocScrutinizer | alternatively we need proper detailed specs of transducers |
| 17:22.38 | DocScrutinizer | freq range, peak power, RMS power, sinus power |
| 17:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | duration of bursts allowed |
| 17:22.50 | DocScrutinizer | etc |
| 17:23.15 | DocScrutinizer | freq response (to calibrate filters to make speakers sound better) |
| 17:23.45 | DocScrutinizer | specs of what nox does are F' of that |
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| 17:23.58 | DocScrutinizer | er xprot |
| 17:24.54 | javispedro | ponders something |
| 17:25.21 | javispedro | Did I hear once that pulse doesn't do xprot for headphones? |
| 17:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | we can get datasheets of codec and amp, we hardly get for transducers, esp when operating in this particular enclosure |
| 17:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 17:25.50 | javispedro | hum. |
| 17:26.07 | DocScrutinizer | for sure HP should be handled differently than speakers |
| 17:26.11 | javispedro | I wonder how it knows wheter you are using headphnes or not. |
| 17:26.21 | javispedro | not the system, but PA specifically. |
| 17:26.26 | DocScrutinizer | NFC |
| 17:26.35 | DocScrutinizer | policy? |
| 17:26.37 | javispedro | if it does it by monitoring alsa ctls, all is well. |
| 17:26.50 | javispedro | if it does it by any other means, then pyfmradio is not using xprot. |
| 17:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | never wrapped my head around that |
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| 17:27.00 | javispedro | which could be an issue. |
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| 17:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, time to get some dinner |
| 17:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 17:27.59 | javispedro | cya |
| 17:29.27 | javispedro | potential problem here indeed. |
| 17:29.42 | javispedro | so, tapping "Speakers" on fmradio just changes some alsa ctls to point dacs to speakers |
| 17:29.49 | javispedro | but does not notify anyone else. |
| 17:30.00 | javispedro | if pulse is not listening to ctl changes... it will keep xprot disabled. |
| 17:30.41 | javispedro | needs to remember to fire an email about this |
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| 17:37.44 | wileybd | anyone know where i can download the latest n900 firmware, the main site seems to be down. |
| 17:38.27 | javispedro | nowhere, just wait 24h |
| 17:38.52 | Creteil | Someone have an idea how to fix that : |
| 17:39.07 | Creteil | dh_gencontrol -i |
| 17:39.09 | Creteil | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field `C Homepage' in input data in general section of control info file |
| 17:39.10 | Creteil | dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency |
| 17:39.13 | Creteil | <PROTECTED> |
| 17:39.14 | Creteil | dpkg-gencontrol: error: error occurred while parsing Recommends |
| 17:39.16 | Creteil | dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304 |
| 17:39.18 | Creteil | make: *** [binary-indep] Error 1 |
| 17:39.24 | javispedro | Creteil: next time use a pastebin service |
| 17:39.26 | javispedro | ~pastebin |
| 17:39.26 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
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| 17:40.03 | wileybd | wow next time i will saveing the firmware on my harddrive |
| 17:40.12 | Creteil | javispedro, does it is considered as a flood by your irc client ? |
| 17:40.17 | javispedro | Creteil: also read: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ |
| 17:40.37 | javispedro | Creteil: or pastebin your full control file. |
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| 17:43.46 | Creteil | javispedro, ok wait 1 I come back ... |
| 17:45.10 | pupnik_ | Aranel: rename any .c file to osc-pix.c and then run ./osc27 and then hit F3 |
| 17:45.57 | pupnik_ | did they fix the speakers on more recent N900s? |
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| 17:46.47 | Creteil | back |
| 17:47.03 | Aranel | pupnik_: wow, the_sun looks very cool. But It's effect duration is 2 seconds, then It stops. Is it normal? |
| 17:47.54 | nid0 | wileybd: http://tinyurl.com/239j9yq |
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| 17:48.48 | Creteil | javispedro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/523390/ |
| 17:49.29 | pupnik_ | Aranel: it should be continuous |
| 17:49.37 | pupnik_ | are you on ia32? |
| 17:50.01 | Aranel | pupnik_: yes |
| 17:50.23 | wileybd | nid0 thanks so much |
| 17:50.26 | Aranel | pupnik_: Intel C2D working as a 32-bit, Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 17:50.46 | Aranel | pupnik_: should I work it on armel? |
| 17:50.46 | pupnik_ | c2d here also, debian - join #liqbase to get better info |
| 17:50.52 | pupnik_ | there is an armel version |
| 17:51.04 | wileybd | anyone by chance have the debian file for flash updater 3.5 so i dont have to use windows? |
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| 17:52.28 | Creteil | wileybd, get it !!! |
| 17:52.34 | pupnik_ | nabend nox |
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| 17:54.36 | nox- | moin pupnik_, # |
| 17:54.43 | wileybd | creteil im not sure if its transferring or what |
| 17:55.09 | wileybd | can you send it one more time? |
| 17:56.49 | Creteil | wileybd, done |
| 17:56.55 | wileybd | ok i accepted it |
| 17:56.56 | wileybd | thanks |
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| 17:59.13 | Creteil | wileybd, you received it ? |
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| 17:59.42 | Creteil | wileybd, on my side I see the offering of the file, but no ack of receiving ... |
| 17:59.51 | Creteil | Aborted DCC File Transfer of âmaemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.debâ to âwileybdâ (62.147.196.247:48866). |
| 18:00.12 | wileybd | ah man i cant find it it not transfering for some reason, im on ubuntu and using xchat the dialog comes up and i click accept but its not going in the default .xchat downloads folder not sure why |
| 18:00.39 | MohammadAG | sigh |
| 18:00.55 | Creteil | wileybd, because you are behind nat I think ... |
| 18:00.55 | wileybd | i have the windows version i can use the dos version it should work |
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| 18:01.02 | MohammadAG | they ask us not to distribute their binaries, and they can't distribute them themselves |
| 18:01.17 | wileybd | yeah i havent configured my firewall for any of this |
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| 18:02.13 | wileybd | ive never had this problem before when i updated but im learning alot about this now and to make sure i keep a firmware version of my own thats for sure |
| 18:02.24 | wileybd | what a pain |
| 18:02.42 | Creteil | wileybd, wait 1 I put it on a FTP ... |
| 18:03.13 | wileybd | i guess nido used pastebin somehow |
| 18:03.25 | wileybd | thats how im getting the firmware its downloading now |
| 18:03.39 | wileybd | he pasted this above http://tinyurl.com/239j9yq |
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| 18:04.09 | wileybd | oh i see he sent me a nokia link |
| 18:04.24 | nid0 | thats just a tinyurl of a nokia.com link from tmo, someone noticed that ovi suite can download the firmware fine still and simply captured the url it uses to fetch it |
| 18:04.28 | wileybd | why the hell isnt that one on there site as a place to get the firmware |
| 18:04.40 | wileybd | ah |
| 18:04.42 | wileybd | i see |
| 18:05.28 | nox- | is that 1.3? |
| 18:05.42 | Creteil | wileybd, http://bigbob.fun.free.fr/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 18:05.53 | nid0 | nox-: yea |
| 18:06.00 | nox- | ah cool |
| 18:06.05 | wileybd | thanks |
| 18:07.00 | nox- | btw re 1.3, any news on the charging cpu clocking bug? |
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| 18:07.10 | MohammadAG | grr, repository.maemo.org is down |
| 18:07.12 | MohammadAG | pokes X-Fade |
| 18:07.23 | javispedro | it's sunday! |
| 18:07.37 | MohammadAG | ffs I wanna fix the SSU for a monday release |
| 18:07.45 | nox- | javispedro, ppl arent supposed to update their phones on weekends? :) |
| 18:07.54 | MohammadAG | (or fix repos) |
| 18:07.58 | javispedro | go play some game, ffs. |
| 18:08.07 | MohammadAG | javispedro, no PSN |
| 18:08.12 | wileybd | ok everything is downloading thanks for the help |
| 18:09.54 | MohammadAG | I wonder if the server runs on 256MB ram |
| 18:10.03 | javispedro | MohammadAG: 770 cluster. |
| 18:10.25 | MohammadAG | ah, so it's just swapping like hell then |
| 18:10.36 | MohammadAG | it's not down, just... inaccessible |
| 18:10.45 | javispedro | actually, it's akamai |
| 18:10.56 | MohammadAG | checks dictionary |
| 18:11.06 | MohammadAG | akamai (n.) -> see retarded (n.) |
| 18:11.27 | nox- | :) |
| 18:12.01 | Creteil | :-) |
| 18:12.11 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, needs to have a hotline or something |
| 18:12.39 | nox- | a hotline? they should just fix their stuff... |
| 18:12.57 | MohammadAG | well, shit happens |
| 18:13.07 | nox- | well its certainly not the first time |
| 18:13.26 | MohammadAG | but it's been sometime since it's last happened |
| 18:13.33 | nox- | mmh |
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| 18:14.26 | nox- | suspects they are just not prepared for the load after a new release |
| 18:15.45 | nox- | (and im pretty sure their logs tell them already so a hotline wouldnt help :) |
| 18:16.10 | MohammadAG | yes, but X-Fade's mostly always away on weekends |
| 18:16.29 | MohammadAG | so if it breaks on friday, you'll have to wait till monday till he checks logs |
| 18:16.31 | nox- | ah X-Fade works for akamai? |
| 18:16.42 | MohammadAG | no, X-Fade is the repo admin |
| 18:16.45 | nox- | ah |
| 18:16.59 | MohammadAG | or maemo.org admin, whatever |
| 18:17.07 | MohammadAG | he's the "webmaster" |
| 18:17.12 | nox- | i c |
| 18:18.02 | nox- | i just wonder if the problem has more to do with akamai than the repo itself... |
| 18:18.21 | nid0 | its highly unlikely |
| 18:18.28 | nox- | ok |
| 18:19.04 | nid0 | the internet still works, so akamai's working |
| 18:19.09 | nox- | hah |
| 18:19.51 | nox- | at least ive seen `strange' stuff like maemo websites accessible from pcs but not from the phone before... |
| 18:20.39 | nid0 | the maemo sites arent hosted on akamai |
| 18:20.51 | nox- | oh |
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| 18:22.14 | nid0 | most subsections of maemo.org are statically hosted in finland, and tmo's hosted by softlayer in the states - it's the download repos that're served by akamai |
| 18:22.24 | nox- | i c |
| 18:22.38 | Creteil | well, someone have an idea on this error : http://pastebin.com/9anqgpLm ??? |
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| 18:23.35 | nox- | wild guess: dkpg tools version mismatch? |
| 18:24.02 | crashanddie | Creteil: if the file is coming from devel, don't ask us, ask the uploader |
| 18:24.23 | Creteil | nox-, what do you mean exactly ? |
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| 18:25.04 | nox- | whoever built that package used a version that adds fields maemo's version doesnt yet know? |
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| 18:25.27 | nox- | as i said just a guess... |
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| 18:31.01 | the_lord | ~pr-1.3 |
| 18:31.09 | b-man` | -_- |
| 18:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 |
| 18:33.23 | infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 18:33.24 | b-man` | ~MohammadAG |
| 18:33.58 | _trine | infobot might be wrong |
| 18:34.06 | b-man` | ~burn himself |
| 18:34.07 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 18:34.08 | nox- | btw DocScrutinizer, any news on the charging cpu clocking bug? |
| 18:34.19 | _trine | PR 1.2 might be the last firmware for the UK |
| 18:34.26 | _trine | :P |
| 18:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: lol, maybe somebody opened a ticket meanwhile? |
| 18:34.45 | nox- | whats special about uk that they need their extra version? |
| 18:35.00 | _trine | nox we are special |
| 18:35.08 | nox- | mmh :) |
| 18:35.12 | _trine | we need to have the lastest spy ware fitted |
| 18:35.17 | b-man` | lol |
| 18:35.19 | nox- | i c.... :) |
| 18:35.22 | _trine | by our government |
| 18:35.29 | nox- | right |
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| 18:36.08 | _trine | nox it goes with all the CCTV and town hall spys |
| 18:36.14 | nox- | yeah |
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| 18:52.27 | cehteh | http://www.christeck.de/wp/2010/10/25/hacking-monav-dreams-come-true/ |
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| 18:55.14 | MohammadAG | wtf |
| 18:55.21 | MohammadAG | 1k available on N900 |
| 19:00.14 | SpeedEvil | cehteh: neat |
| 19:00.47 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXJ0WtWGRLE Omap3 Dreamcast emulator 5-6 fps |
| 19:01.49 | b-man` | infobot: MohammadAG is I AM YOUR FATHER |
| 19:01.49 | infobot | ...but mohammadag is already something else... |
| 19:01.53 | b-man` | LOL |
| 19:02.15 | b-man` | ~mohammadag |
| 19:02.15 | infobot | methinks mohammadag is your father |
| 19:02.28 | b-man` | ah, so he beat me to it lol |
| 19:02.44 | MohammadAG | it was my idea anyways :P |
| 19:03.05 | secyritas | :-) |
| 19:03.06 | secyritas | ~n900 |
| 19:03.07 | infobot | rumour has it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside |
| 19:03.11 | b-man` | LOL |
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| 19:04.01 | b-man` | ~frails |
| 19:04.11 | MohammadAG | no i |
| 19:04.17 | b-man` | ~frals |
| 19:04.18 | infobot | i guess frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS |
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| 19:04.33 | b-man` | :) |
| 19:05.04 | MohammadAG | ~b-man |
| 19:05.04 | infobot | [b-man] the traffic lights dude |
| 19:05.16 | Myrtti | for gods sake |
| 19:05.26 | Myrtti | the bot works in pm too as far as I know |
| 19:05.29 | MohammadAG | sorry, it felt empty in here :P |
| 19:05.43 | b-man` | XD |
| 19:06.02 | b-man` | <infobot> [b-man] the traffic lights dude - kinda true XD |
| 19:06.14 | b-man` | grabs the picture |
| 19:08.09 | b-man` | gah, where is it :P |
| 19:08.41 | ptl | my N900 is screwed up, since I went with him into a party I am not able to boot from it. Tried flashing it a dozen times, it always stops at a random percentage of the "Programming CMT" phase. What should I do? |
| 19:08.51 | b-man` | ah, here it is :D http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG |
| 19:09.02 | MohammadAG | is it the latest image ptl? |
| 19:09.06 | lcuk | ptl, do not get the n900 drunk again. |
| 19:09.32 | ptl | MohammadAG51: tried with PR1.2 and PR1.3 |
| 19:09.40 | lcuk | try it from a different computer with different leads, failing that idk and nokia care would probably be the best folks to chat to |
| 19:09.42 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:09.50 | MohammadAG | CMT is the modem |
| 19:10.04 | lcuk | take out the sim? |
| 19:10.29 | ptl | Yeah, I had sent it to a Nokia authorized support center and it stood there for a week. They sent me back saying they had no replacement parts for the N900 yet. :-/ |
| 19:10.40 | ptl | Yes, I did take out the SIM, the memory card |
| 19:10.57 | nid0 | try sending it to a different repair center that doesnt suck |
| 19:10.57 | ptl | CMT is the modem part? |
| 19:11.39 | ptl | it's the only one in a 200 miles radius :-( |
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| 19:11.53 | ptl | well, anyway |
| 19:11.59 | MohammadAG | ptl yes |
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| 19:12.07 | ptl | I called nokia and they said I should return to that repair center and tell them that they indeed have the part |
| 19:12.20 | MohammadAG | Cellular Modem Tsomething |
| 19:12.50 | MohammadAG | replacing the modem's easy |
| 19:13.02 | MohammadAG | afail it's next to the battery |
| 19:13.09 | ptl | Cellular Modem Telephone? |
| 19:13.16 | ptl | would it be too costly, MohammadAG51? |
| 19:13.16 | MohammadAG | lock switch side |
| 19:13.25 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 19:13.28 | ptl | k |
| 19:14.00 | MohammadAG | hmm, the antenna's 6.00 |
| 19:14.30 | MohammadAG | see http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1 |
| 19:14.34 | ptl | k |
| 19:14.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf replacing rapuyama?? |
| 19:15.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | gsm antenna != cmt |
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| 19:15.46 | SpeedEvil | The modem is on the motherboard. |
| 19:15.56 | SpeedEvil | It is not a service centre replacable part |
| 19:16.10 | SpeedEvil | I question if it is ever repaired to that level routinely. |
| 19:16.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | s/service center/ |
| 19:16.26 | ptl | Nokia CP-321 is the modem? |
| 19:16.41 | RST38h | case |
| 19:16.44 | SpeedEvil | The modem is not a replacable part. |
| 19:16.52 | SpeedEvil | It is part of the motherboard. |
| 19:16.52 | ptl | flashed successfully right now, but still can't boot |
| 19:17.01 | ptl | I even tried that rescue image but after I flash-boot from it the screen goes black |
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| 19:17.17 | MohammadAG | try a framebuffer kernel |
| 19:17.23 | MohammadAG | it should say where it fails to boot |
| 19:17.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | recharge bat |
| 19:17.30 | ptl | where do I get that? |
| 19:17.36 | ptl | I did recharge the battery |
| 19:17.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | bs fb |
| 19:17.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | ptl: do again! |
| 19:17.58 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin |
| 19:18.18 | MohammadAG | I wonder if 1.2 and 1.3 modules and intercompatible |
| 19:18.40 | b-man` | i don't see why not |
| 19:18.46 | b-man` | same kernel version |
| 19:18.53 | MohammadAG | different headers? |
| 19:19.16 | b-man` | the kernel headers should be the same |
| 19:20.18 | MohammadAG | ptl flash that kernel |
| 19:20.48 | ptl | I will |
| 19:20.59 | ptl | flasher-3.5 -F zImage-fb-omap1.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R |
| 19:21.01 | ptl | right? |
| 19:21.05 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage-fb-omap1.bin -f -R |
| 19:21.07 | b-man` | yup |
| 19:21.08 | ptl | ok |
| 19:21.12 | b-man` | erll *-R |
| 19:21.16 | b-man` | *well |
| 19:21.17 | MohammadAG | doesn't matter |
| 19:21.36 | MohammadAG | b-man`, and it's not a fiasco, so it's not -F |
| 19:21.45 | b-man` | true |
| 19:21.55 | MohammadAG | it's just .bin cause the old server it was on only accepted files with an extension |
| 19:22.27 | MohammadAG | wonders where he can get a BH-505, besides ebay |
| 19:22.37 | ptl | done flashing kernel |
| 19:22.43 | MohammadAG | boot |
| 19:22.50 | ptl | it's trying to boot. white screen with blue Nokia logo |
| 19:22.52 | b-man` | BH-505? |
| 19:22.54 | ptl | seems to be stuck |
| 19:23.01 | MohammadAG | b-man`, yes |
| 19:23.10 | MohammadAG | ptl, no text? |
| 19:23.13 | ptl | the screen flashed, logo again |
| 19:23.13 | ptl | no text |
| 19:23.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, signs of fucked up NOLO ^ |
| 19:23.35 | MohammadAG | pokes jacekowski |
| 19:23.49 | ptl | NOLO? |
| 19:23.59 | b-man` | Nolia LOader |
| 19:24.01 | MohammadAG | bootloader, but that should be flashed by areflash |
| 19:24.03 | b-man` | boot loader |
| 19:24.04 | MohammadAG | a reflash* |
| 19:24.15 | b-man` | ***Nokia LOader |
| 19:24.20 | ptl | Yeah but I just flashed an entire FIASCO image successfully |
| 19:24.20 | b-man` | hates his kb :P |
| 19:24.24 | MohammadAG | b-man`, we got it the first time :P |
| 19:24.47 | b-man` | MohammadAG: i know, i just hate making typos :P |
| 19:24.51 | MohammadAG | ptl, you flashed the 1.3 image right? |
| 19:24.59 | ptl | right |
| 19:25.19 | ptl | RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin |
| 19:25.37 | ptl | I wish I could at least make my internal MMC available for a backup |
| 19:25.54 | MohammadAG | desolder it :P |
| 19:25.59 | MohammadAG | sec though |
| 19:26.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | OC |
| 19:26.05 | ptl | If I could do that, I would copy it entirely then send to Nokia for international support |
| 19:26.09 | ptl | ok |
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| 19:27.04 | MohammadAG | wants a BH-505 in less than 15 days |
| 19:27.09 | MohammadAG | suggestions? please? |
| 19:27.50 | ptl | why can't I even run the rescue image for making ~/MyDocs available? |
| 19:27.58 | MohammadAG | ptl, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1-pr13 |
| 19:28.06 | ptl | oh, thanks |
| 19:28.07 | MohammadAG | flash that |
| 19:28.13 | MohammadAG | if that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas |
| 19:28.20 | MohammadAG | or /dev/mtd1's fucked up |
| 19:28.35 | ptl | :( |
| 19:29.02 | MohammadAG | ptl, meego image? |
| 19:29.24 | ptl | 1.3 maemo 5 image |
| 19:29.37 | MohammadAG | no, the rescue image |
| 19:29.47 | ptl | the meego rescue image |
| 19:29.49 | ptl | oh |
| 19:29.52 | ptl | yes |
| 19:30.02 | MohammadAG | that didn't work? |
| 19:30.19 | ptl | it says it doesn't overwrite anything, it would just present a menu with options |
| 19:30.47 | ptl | the menu never appears, the screen fades to black after the nokia logo |
| 19:31.10 | MohammadAG | then nothing shows? |
| 19:32.21 | ptl | yep, nothing shows, it stays black for about 20 seconds, then reboots |
| 19:32.47 | ptl | and the 1.3 kernel did not work also :( |
| 19:33.03 | ptl | well, I got so dependent on that device I don't know what to do |
| 19:33.34 | MohammadAG | something on the very low level seems broken |
| 19:33.36 | ptl | I will resort to the Nokia care center again |
| 19:33.45 | ptl | yes.. it is definitely a hardware issue.. |
| 19:33.46 | MohammadAG | running a rescue image off of RAM should work |
| 19:34.13 | ptl | and it didn't :( |
| 19:34.36 | MohammadAG | the kernel is loaded though |
| 19:34.43 | MohammadAG | since fading to black only happens on 2.6.35 |
| 19:35.29 | ptl | it's not really 'fading'. black points appear over the nokia logo screen until it goes all black, it's very fast |
| 19:35.51 | ptl | *black pixels |
| 19:36.05 | MohammadAG | yeah, I know |
| 19:36.13 | MohammadAG | I thought something went wrong the first time I saw it |
| 19:37.00 | ptl | what is the kernel parameter for booting via framebuffer? I will try adding it to the meego rescue kernel |
| 19:38.51 | MohammadAG | that kernel already has a framebuffer |
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| 19:38.58 | MohammadAG | otherwise, it wouldn't be able to show the menu |
| 19:39.14 | ptl | ok |
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| 19:54.22 | tybollt | lala |
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| 20:01.59 | nid0 | oddly, my device has decided out of the blue to no longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress, but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call - any idea what might cause that? :\ |
| 20:03.25 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: ping |
| 20:04.25 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Two things; what's downlevel from git trunk on PR1.3 (ISTR, you saying hildon-desktop or modest was); 2) is there a post somewhere about the new repo? |
| 20:05.26 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, repository.maemo.org is down, otherwise, I was aiming for a monday release |
| 20:05.53 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I've included Matan's patches in the latest hildon-desktop from git for the repo btw |
| 20:06.01 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Cool. |
| 20:06.07 | MohammadAG | hildon-desktop is two versions old afaik |
| 20:06.12 | Jaffa | Perfect. |
| 20:06.21 | MohammadAG | and it looks like it's more than that, since the calling bug is still there |
| 20:06.21 | Jaffa | 'll have the community repo in the next MWKN then :)) |
| 20:06.28 | MohammadAG | even though it should've been fixed in .40 |
| 20:06.50 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, the repo is ready right now, but it's down, and I just need to push two new updates |
| 20:07.06 | MohammadAG | you're on .install file away ;) |
| 20:07.13 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Indeed ;-) |
| 20:07.22 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Happy for it to be teased/trailed in tomorrow's MWKN? |
| 20:07.23 | MohammadAG | one*, fail lol |
| 20:07.46 | MohammadAG | I don't mind, might release it tomorrow anyways, if X-Fade fixes the repo in time :) |
| 20:08.50 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yeah, but I'm editing the issue now ;-) |
| 20:09.20 | opdf2 | I see that I have the latest backupmanu from the App Man, but when I launch it it says i have 0.3x version |
| 20:09.24 | opdf2 | *backupmenu |
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| 20:11.48 | MohammadAG | so wants to port Symbian^3 |
| 20:12.00 | MohammadAG | it's a huge leap from Symbian^1 |
| 20:13.00 | pupnik | MohammadAG: how do you liek n8?> |
| 20:13.43 | MohammadAG | it wins over the N900 in some aspects, fails in others |
| 20:14.02 | MohammadAG | UI is on par with the iPhone's in terms of being smooth |
| 20:14.10 | MohammadAG | gallery is smoother on the N8 actually |
| 20:14.28 | MohammadAG | phone app works well, doesn't droll for 2 secs when clicking answer |
| 20:14.37 | MohammadAG | camera's awesome, etc, but browser fails a lot |
| 20:14.53 | pupnik | MohammadAG: would you mind if the whole device were thicker? (as thick as the camera part)? |
| 20:14.54 | MohammadAG | network connection management is fail, as always with Symbian, it keeps WLAN and 3G active at the same time |
| 20:15.04 | pupnik | urgh |
| 20:15.05 | MohammadAG | nope, it's very light as it is |
| 20:15.16 | chx | Hm, does the N8 have a physical keyboard? If not, then why do people compare it to the N900? |
| 20:15.42 | MohammadAG | the keyboard is an input method, both devices have input methods |
| 20:15.43 | pupnik | dunno. it's 2x as expensive and is completely boring for linux folks |
| 20:15.51 | MohammadAG | what? |
| 20:16.03 | pupnik | n900 ~ 350 euro, n8 ~ 680 euro |
| 20:16.09 | chx | MohammadAG: the N900 can be had below $300 ow. |
| 20:16.10 | MohammadAG | WHAT?! |
| 20:16.11 | chx | *now |
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| 20:16.21 | MohammadAG | I got this for 400 bucks |
| 20:16.22 | pupnik | heh i'm wrong on the n8 price |
| 20:16.29 | pupnik | that was e7 |
| 20:16.31 | MohammadAG | or 350 |
| 20:16.42 | MohammadAG | the N900 was more expensive in the shop |
| 20:16.58 | pupnik | yeah n8 is 440 here |
| 20:17.00 | MohammadAG | and it's not really mine, I'm just "reviewing" it :P |
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| 20:17.53 | pupnik | e7 is preordering at like 650-680 |
| 20:18.13 | MohammadAG | that's a lot... |
| 20:18.24 | MohammadAG | it has no microSD slot, and an 8MP camera |
| 20:18.26 | pupnik | MohammadAG: for me N8 selling point is having a seriously good camera with you all the time |
| 20:18.37 | MohammadAG | yep |
| 20:18.46 | MohammadAG | I can get a ready image in 2 secs |
| 20:18.52 | pupnik | plus i love the styling on these so much |
| 20:18.54 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: if you got voids to fill, there's great progress on hostmode, mainly driven by PaulFertser |
| 20:18.57 | MohammadAG | focused and processed |
| 20:18.58 | chx | what would be a good case for N900? |
| 20:19.28 | chx | DocScrutinizer: hostmode?? |
| 20:19.33 | MohammadAG | ~hostmode |
| 20:19.34 | infobot | hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 |
| 20:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:19.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, you spammer :P |
| 20:20.00 | chx | oh usb hostmode. |
| 20:20.07 | chx | i hoped for wifi :) |
| 20:20.13 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 20:20.16 | MohammadAG | lol what? |
| 20:20.21 | MohammadAG | wifi hostmode? |
| 20:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | managed |
| 20:21.00 | MohammadAG | likes N900 notifier |
| 20:21.07 | MohammadAG | if only it were a daemon |
| 20:21.17 | MohammadAG | well, an auto started daemon that is |
| 20:21.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but still imo |
| 20:21.45 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* grmbnitscriptsmbl |
| 20:21.48 | MohammadAG | I think hostmode shouldn't be rushed to the public |
| 20:21.51 | Aranel | Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libqt4-core 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5 504 Gateway Time-out [IP: 195.175.70.16 80] |
| 20:21.53 | MohammadAG | well |
| 20:21.59 | Aranel | what's wrong with Scratchbox? |
| 20:22.00 | MohammadAG | rushed is in hyped today |
| 20:22.10 | MohammadAG | we should hype it tomorrow :P |
| 20:22.17 | MohammadAG | Aranel, topic |
| 20:22.55 | Aranel | MohammadAG: d'oh.. thanks. |
| 20:23.23 | MohammadAG | freemoe's dead |
| 20:23.31 | MohammadAG | we need a fast server to mirror the official repos |
| 20:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: we won't hype it at all, a simple britsish dry alpha release will do :-P |
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| 20:23.58 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: ta |
| 20:23.59 | MohammadAG | hostmode tagline "it only enumerates everything"? |
| 20:24.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, screw alpha, prebeta! |
| 20:24.30 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: I love the N8's hardware compared with the N900. Feels very stylish, but understated. Whereas the N900 looks like an slab/brick. |
| 20:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | HELL beta even |
| 20:24.44 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 20:24.50 | kerio | the n9 looks better |
| 20:24.53 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, let's revolutionize releases |
| 20:25.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the release will be a gamma release |
| 20:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | hhehe |
| 20:25.12 | MohammadAG | never heard of those |
| 20:25.29 | DocScrutinizer | gamma ray release |
| 20:25.36 | MohammadAG | or X-hostmode, anything with an X these days is cool |
| 20:25.41 | Aranel | MohammadAG: is it 00:00 Oct 31 GMT? Or which time zone? |
| 20:25.49 | DocScrutinizer | Amiga workbench 1.3gamma |
| 20:25.53 | MohammadAG | no, it's not GMT, it's UTC :P |
| 20:25.57 | jacekowski | Sun Oct 31 21:25:56 CET 2010 |
| 20:26.13 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: well that's been before you were born :-P |
| 20:26.26 | MohammadAG | k, iHostmode |
| 20:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | eeweeeeewWWWWwwwWW |
| 20:26.37 | Aranel | Aww, so repos down for more than 3 hours. :| |
| 20:26.42 | MohammadAG | Hostmode status: guru meditation |
| 20:26.50 | jacekowski | Aranel: repos are closed |
| 20:26.54 | jacekowski | Aranel: no more maemo |
| 20:26.55 | MohammadAG | lol jacekowski |
| 20:27.03 | DocScrutinizer | closes jacekowski |
| 20:27.03 | Aranel | jacekowski: sure. |
| 20:27.12 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, got the kernel? |
| 20:27.17 | jacekowski | nope |
| 20:27.29 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz |
| 20:27.30 | jacekowski | i'll do it tomorrow |
| 20:27.33 | MohammadAG | k |
| 20:27.50 | pupnik | hey, with maemo5, you could run the whole OS on a lower-res screen, just by using hildon to scale down from 800x480 |
| 20:27.54 | wileybd | Whats the next step if ive just reflashed my n900 with the latest update and after its completed it reboots gets past the white nokia logo and then just sits there displaying the white flashing circles from left to right for like forever. Ive tried the windows updater like 3 times and now ive used to flasher tool in debian like twice and i still get the same results. Ive also pulled the battery and waited 5 mins between these insta |
| 20:27.54 | wileybd | lls |
| 20:28.30 | wileybd | also did the R&d mode on and off |
| 20:28.40 | MohammadAG | wileybd, reflash it again, and this time be patient |
| 20:28.45 | MohammadAG | first boot is always slow since 1.2 |
| 20:28.51 | wileybd | ah ok |
| 20:28.56 | wileybd | how long is slow? |
| 20:28.59 | wileybd | like 15 mins? |
| 20:29.01 | wileybd | 30? |
| 20:29.04 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: stop messing around clueless, check |
| 20:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 20:29.07 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:29.11 | wileybd | ok |
| 20:29.16 | MohammadAG | wileybd, no, more like 5... |
| 20:29.21 | wileybd | ok |
| 20:29.25 | MohammadAG | maybe you're eMMC needs flashing? |
| 20:29.30 | MohammadAG | back it up, and flash it |
| 20:29.41 | wileybd | yeah i did see in r&d mode "No init ramfs" |
| 20:29.46 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Do you know if the problem is being looked at? |
| 20:29.48 | wileybd | sounds like a ramdisk issue |
| 20:29.56 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, hmm, which one? |
| 20:30.01 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: *.maemo.org |
| 20:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: that's normal |
| 20:30.10 | wileybd | just not sure what it does when it reflashes so |
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| 20:30.12 | MohammadAG | wileybd, no initfs, normal |
| 20:30.17 | wileybd | ah ok |
| 20:30.19 | MohammadAG | "no initfs \o/" |
| 20:30.23 | wileybd | yep thats it |
| 20:30.26 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, X-Fade's away |
| 20:30.27 | DocScrutinizer | yeeha! |
| 20:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~initrd |
| 20:30.36 | infobot | from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. |
| 20:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | note the god part |
| 20:30.54 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: OK, quick summary of the problem for me to raise a support issue? |
| 20:31.07 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: We have people who are paid to support us; even in X-Fade's absence! :) |
| 20:31.12 | MohammadAG | repository.maemo.org is down |
| 20:31.17 | MohammadAG | and tablets-dev |
| 20:31.26 | Jaffa | And lists.maemo.org |
| 20:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: does it still charge when hoocked to wallcharger? |
| 20:31.56 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, didn't notice that |
| 20:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | if so then I'd honestly recommend you give it a good charge prior to continuing to mess around with flashing |
| 20:32.19 | wileybd | the yellow light stays flashing |
| 20:32.26 | wileybd | ill check again |
| 20:32.28 | DocScrutinizer | whic is a good thing |
| 20:32.30 | MohammadAG | solid/flashing? |
| 20:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | he said flashing |
| 20:32.47 | MohammadAG | with stays before it ;) |
| 20:33.14 | D-man | Hey guys. How would I increase icon size in Catorise aplication? |
| 20:33.30 | MohammadAG | isn't catorize just a hildon.menu editor? |
| 20:33.39 | Jaffa | b-man`: It uses the icons used by HAM in the theme |
| 20:33.53 | MohammadAG | meaning increasing icon size would be done by editing hildon-desktop |
| 20:33.57 | wileybd | yellow light on the bottem left is flashing but its also has the flashing circles on the screen from left to right when plugged in |
| 20:34.00 | Jaffa | b-man`: Edit those (or change the icon names in the .directory files under /opt/catorise/share) |
| 20:34.08 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: There's a fair bit of padding, TBH. |
| 20:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: try to switch off or remove and reinsert bat, then DO NOT power on, just hoock up to charger. If it flashes amber, keep it like that until green |
| 20:34.35 | wileybd | ok |
| 20:34.44 | D-man | ok, will look at it. |
| 20:35.01 | MohammadAG | do AMOLEDs use very low power? |
| 20:35.09 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: (and anyone else): Nemein ticket #1546 reported. |
| 20:35.23 | MohammadAG | the screensaver on the N8 is always on, and it looks like it's a bit bright (not 0 brightness) |
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| 20:35.41 | nox- | ~bug 1546 |
| 20:35.42 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1546 Text is scrambled in textareas when entered with the thumb keyboard in Opera |
| 20:35.53 | MohammadAG | nox-, internal bugtracker |
| 20:35.56 | nox- | oh |
| 20:36.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: yes, oled is prety economic |
| 20:36.44 | MohammadAG | damn, was thinking of doing the same on the N900 |
| 20:36.49 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: see, only the bright pixels use power, compare that to LCD |
| 20:36.52 | MohammadAG | I guess that'd rape the battery right? |
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| 20:37.07 | kerio | yup |
| 20:37.08 | DocScrutinizer | with backlight yes |
| 20:37.17 | MohammadAG | and without? |
| 20:37.27 | DocScrutinizer | without it's yet to test |
| 20:37.38 | DocScrutinizer | seems LCD controller eats quite a bit |
| 20:37.41 | wileybd | ok i took the battery out waited 5 seconds put it back on snapped the cover back on then plugged in the charger and i did not turn it on, the i could see the nokia logo behind the dim sceen faintly and then the yellow light started flashing on the bottem left and now the circles are back going from left to right |
| 20:38.01 | wileybd | so i guess it turns on by itself when plugging in the wall charger? |
| 20:38.03 | MohammadAG | did you flash again? |
| 20:38.07 | wileybd | no |
| 20:38.08 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:38.10 | DocScrutinizer | does it still flash yellow? |
| 20:38.21 | wileybd | yes |
| 20:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest keeping it that way, though it's not 100% sure it actually charges |
| 20:39.00 | wileybd | ok i will leave it for awhile |
| 20:39.08 | ptl | you got the circles at least |
| 20:39.12 | ptl | I didn't even get that |
| 20:39.15 | wileybd | is there really any way to completly damage a n900? |
| 20:39.26 | ptl | wileybd: I think I just achieved that |
| 20:39.27 | DocScrutinizer | if it doesn't turn green after 2 hours, you're probably really out of luck |
| 20:39.29 | ptl | only the nokia logo screen |
| 20:39.31 | ptl | flashed a zillion times |
| 20:39.47 | jacekowski | wileybd: drop it from 20m |
| 20:39.48 | MohammadAG | wileybd, yes |
| 20:39.55 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, was gonna say that lol |
| 20:40.03 | wileybd | ok so the green light just says it fully charged? or does this mean a software error? |
| 20:40.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: you're too slow |
| 20:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | microwave oven |
| 20:40.21 | DocScrutinizer | green == charged |
| 20:40.22 | wileybd | i new all that was going to start |
| 20:40.39 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, hmm, is 20m enough? |
| 20:40.41 | wileybd | i meant by an accidental remove of a usb plug when updating or somthing like that |
| 20:40.47 | jacekowski | wileybd: no |
| 20:40.53 | jacekowski | wileybd: you can just flash it again |
| 20:40.55 | wileybd | ok |
| 20:41.07 | wileybd | thats what i was thinking |
| 20:41.07 | jacekowski | i pulled out battery in middle of flashing of CMT |
| 20:41.21 | MohammadAG | I ctrl^c'd the flasher to see if the N900 would get bricked |
| 20:41.22 | jacekowski | and all that happened was that i had no phone features |
| 20:41.27 | MohammadAG | in january |
| 20:41.36 | wileybd | i mean ive seen bricked routers like linksys and dd-wrt and stuff like that i just wasnt sure about n900s |
| 20:41.37 | jacekowski | and after flashing it it worked again |
| 20:41.38 | ptl | MohammadAG51: what if it did? |
| 20:41.39 | b-man` | Jaffa: i'm B-man not D-man :) |
| 20:41.51 | jacekowski | wileybd: n900 has bulting hardcoded bootloader |
| 20:41.53 | MohammadAG | ptl, didn't think that far |
| 20:42.05 | jacekowski | wileybd: that can be used to coldflash it |
| 20:42.12 | jacekowski | builtin* |
| 20:42.19 | MohammadAG | into the omap3 right |
| 20:42.21 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 20:42.24 | jacekowski | yes |
| 20:42.28 | jacekowski | and omap2 as well |
| 20:42.30 | wileybd | i see |
| 20:42.50 | jacekowski | according to my latest research rapuyama is only omap2 based on omap3 |
| 20:42.59 | jacekowski | not* |
| 20:43.36 | jacekowski | and i'm not sure if rapuyama bootloader is flashed at all |
| 20:46.23 | PaulFertser | Any idea why garage.maemo.org didn't call git update-server-info, and so h-e-n repo is unavailable via https? |
| 20:46.41 | MohammadAG | PaulFertser, cause maemo.org is dying |
| 20:47.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski: could you please document on wiki "how to nuke NOLO - and how to restore aka coldflash it again" please |
| 20:47.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | subtitle "including detailled step by step instructions" |
| 20:48.13 | MohammadAG | for x in `ls /dev/mtd* | xargs`; do dd <you know what> of $x; done |
| 20:48.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | yep |
| 20:48.31 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, there you go ^ |
| 20:48.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | now for the rwestore part |
| 20:48.52 | MohammadAG | command crippled for obvious curious-people reasons |
| 20:49.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | much appreciated :D |
| 20:49.27 | MohammadAG | @noobs if you figure out the command, do it as root, that way you won't be ashamed you did it as user and failed :P |
| 20:49.59 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I think you just need to manually input lsusb output |
| 20:50.45 | MohammadAG | Using serial port /dev/ttyS0 |
| 20:50.46 | MohammadAG | tcgetattr: Input/output error |
| 20:50.56 | MohammadAG | I'm not trying it with the device connected |
| 20:51.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacekowski claims to have been there, done that |
| 20:52.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | so share it |
| 20:52.26 | MohammadAG | sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 |
| 20:53.00 | MohammadAG | then you probably need to add -U, --usb-device=ARG Specify USB device to use (bus:device address), and I guess that's it |
| 20:53.04 | MohammadAG | pokes jacekowski |
| 20:53.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah, handwaving |
| 20:53.33 | MohammadAG | here you go |
| 20:53.34 | MohammadAG | Using serial port usb |
| 20:53.34 | MohammadAG | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 20:53.34 | MohammadAG | ^C |
| 20:53.34 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 --serial-port=usb |
| 20:53.44 | MohammadAG | that should work ^ |
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| 20:55.49 | opdf2 | I'm gonna flash PR1.3 image from 1.2. Is it still recommended to flash emmc as well? |
| 20:56.02 | MohammadAG | it was never recommended |
| 20:56.06 | opdf2 | okay ty |
| 20:56.27 | MohammadAG | dispatches a team of highly trained monkeys to fix maemo.org - it works for google... |
| 20:57.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | just another example of Nokia leaving community on their own by not disclosing elementary info and thus up to geeks to brick their devices on trying to RE |
| 20:57.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | (coldflash) |
| 20:58.12 | DocScrutinizer | An annoying PITA! |
| 20:59.28 | DocScrutinizer | just one sentence in flasher manpage/README: clodflash is to [recover NOLO via USB | flash NOLO witha special jig] |
| 20:59.55 | DocScrutinizer | DAMN NOKIA, IS IT THAT HARD???? |
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| 21:01.54 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 |
| 21:02.08 | jacekowski | but you can coldflash even with working nolo |
| 21:02.13 | DocScrutinizer | see, jacekowski claims even OMAP2 as in N8x0 can do coldflash via USB (AIUI) - yet there's not a single report in the internets about anybody ever did it |
| 21:02.33 | b-man` | that could have saved my N800 :( |
| 21:02.42 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer51: i'm not claiming that omap2 can do coldflash |
| 21:02.47 | b-man` | nuked nolo had had a dead n800 |
| 21:03.19 | jacekowski | i'm claiming that omap2 based rapuyama can be flashed even if firmware is not flashed correctly |
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| 21:04.22 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: coldflash only works on linux ( windows is too slow to enumerate device ) |
| 21:04.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so pretty please could you write up a terse wikipage with byte/char-precise detail on what you tested to work, what you think should work, and what you know can't work. And how |
| 21:04.50 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, I'm on linux, sure that was @ me? |
| 21:05.03 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: ok, what you have to do now |
| 21:05.12 | jacekowski | MohammadAG: is get correct usb device id |
| 21:05.17 | MohammadAG | my device isn't dead :) |
| 21:05.26 | jacekowski | you can still coldflash it |
| 21:05.26 | MohammadAG | I was just trying to find the steps needed |
| 21:05.35 | MohammadAG | I'm not flashing it to see if cold flash works |
| 21:05.47 | MohammadAG | flashing is a PITA, too many customizations |
| 21:05.53 | jacekowski | as far as noticed coldflash isn't really flashing it |
| 21:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we all are just wild guessing, and gambling with our precious N900 :-D |
| 21:06.05 | MohammadAG | it's flashing the bootloader? |
| 21:06.09 | jacekowski | it's just booting nolo |
| 21:06.17 | jacekowski | at least it looks like that's all it does |
| 21:06.18 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:06.27 | MohammadAG | makes sense, as it only asked for a 2nd image |
| 21:06.31 | jacekowski | i mean if you run coldflash command with minimum required parameters |
| 21:06.40 | jacekowski | it only boots phone with nolo running |
| 21:06.53 | jacekowski | and then if you disconnect it and try to power up it's still dead |
| 21:06.55 | MohammadAG | how do I get to the serial console, without a serial cable |
| 21:07.00 | DocScrutinizer | so 2nd image is flashed by RAMed NOLO |
| 21:07.04 | MohammadAG | wait what? |
| 21:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 21:07.05 | jacekowski | you can't |
| 21:07.12 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that's how it looks |
| 21:07.20 | MohammadAG | it's only booting NOLO off of RAM? |
| 21:07.36 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, so how do you flash it? |
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| 21:07.46 | jacekowski | with normal flash command |
| 21:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | a cmdline please |
| 21:07.53 | jacekowski | give me a sec |
| 21:07.56 | jacekowski | i'll boot linux |
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| 21:09.54 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" |
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| 21:10.15 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: switch off your phone |
| 21:10.21 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: open device manager |
| 21:10.23 | jacekowski | and look |
| 21:10.34 | jacekowski | you will see device called nokia boot rom for a second |
| 21:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is device manager? |
| 21:11.10 | jacekowski | i mean when you start phone |
| 21:11.15 | jacekowski | on windows |
| 21:11.19 | jacekowski | that thing with all devices |
| 21:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | DUH! |
| 21:11.27 | jacekowski | on linux it will go to dmesg |
| 21:11.38 | DocScrutinizer | now we're talking |
| 21:12.04 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 21:12.14 | jacekowski | i'm not sure where is my fiasco image |
| 21:12.39 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:12.41 | jacekowski | found it |
| 21:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | ok, first part was easy :-P |
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| 21:14.08 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:12:55 halley kernel: [3385404.507462] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=34, Product=38, SerialNumber=0 |
| 21:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:12:55 halley kernel: [3385404.507483] usb 1-1: Product: Nokia USB ROM |
| 21:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | actually 2nd part was similarly easy |
| 21:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:14.48 | jacekowski | that device is there only for a second or so |
| 21:14.55 | jacekowski | because after that nolo boots |
| 21:14.59 | jacekowski | or phone shuts down |
| 21:15.05 | jacekowski | i think it shuts down |
| 21:15.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep, is immediately replaced by ass rage dev |
| 21:15.08 | jacekowski | or does something else |
| 21:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:12:56 halley kernel: [3385405.809781] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 |
| 21:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:12:56 halley kernel: [3385405.809800] usb 1-1: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) |
| 21:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:13:07 halley kernel: [3385417.331425] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 |
| 21:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 31 22:13:07 halley kernel: [3385417.331444] usb 1-1: Product: N900 (Storage Mode) |
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| 21:18.13 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: so I gather you invoke flasher with a NOLO to RAMload, a 2nd img NOLO and xloader to get flashed to NAND by RAMloaded NOLO, plus the -coldflash parameter? |
| 21:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | then plug in powered down N900 |
| 21:19.46 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900:~# cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 |
| 21:19.46 | jacekowski | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 21:19.50 | jacekowski | so that's first |
| 21:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:20.10 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, boot should fail epically |
| 21:20.28 | jacekowski | nothing happens |
| 21:20.34 | jacekowski | when i try to start it |
| 21:20.41 | DocScrutinizer | assuming mtd0 actually is NOLO partition |
| 21:21.45 | MohammadAG51 | it is |
| 21:22.16 | MohammadAG51 | dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 00020000 00020000 bootloader mtd1: 00060000 00020000 config mtd2: 00040000 00020000 log mtd3: 00200000 00020000 kernel mtd4: 00200000 00020000 initfs mtd5: 0fb40000 00020000 rootfs |
| 21:22.24 | DocScrutinizer | fine, so "nothing happens" is pretty much what describes N900 trying to boot with nuked NOLO |
| 21:22.24 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 21:22.35 | jacekowski | i think i broke it |
| 21:22.48 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 21:22.56 | MohammadAG51 | i doubt it |
| 21:23.39 | MohammadAG51 | easy |
| 21:23.43 | MohammadAG51 | take out battery |
| 21:23.47 | MohammadAG51 | execute cmd |
| 21:23.51 | MohammadAG51 | plug in n900 |
| 21:23.51 | wileybd | ok the light is green, flash it again? should i use the windows updater tool or debian with the image i have? |
| 21:23.56 | MohammadAG51 | shove battery in |
| 21:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: yep |
| 21:24.01 | MohammadAG51 | debian |
| 21:24.03 | wileybd | ok |
| 21:24.28 | DocScrutinizer | use linux to flash, windows flasher is a PITA |
| 21:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | each one of the 7 different |
| 21:24.44 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 21:24.46 | jacekowski | it's working |
| 21:24.50 | jacekowski | i think it needs more time |
| 21:24.54 | jacekowski | without battery |
| 21:24.55 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 21:24.56 | jacekowski | to fully switch off |
| 21:24.59 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
| 21:25.11 | wileybd | im going reinsert the battery, hold u, at the same time plug in the usb cable and then release when i see the usb icon, but before all of this i will start the flasher command |
| 21:25.21 | pupnik | 5 row keyboard... 5 freakin rows... http://fs01.androidpit.info/userfiles/30778/image/pics/samsung_epic_4g_2.jpg can we take the android hardware drivers and boot maemo on that? |
| 21:25.22 | MohammadAG51 | actually, with a broken kernel, you can keep the device on without a battery |
| 21:25.23 | jacekowski | i suppose when it's dead without bootloader it takes couple seconds to discharge caps |
| 21:25.42 | wileybd | im starting flasher like this |
| 21:25.44 | wileybd | flasher-3.5 -F ./RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R |
| 21:25.46 | DocScrutinizer | LAdies and Gentlemen, you all witnessed a resurrection |
| 21:26.02 | wileybd | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 21:26.04 | MohammadAG51 | of an N900, not a person |
| 21:26.19 | MohammadAG51 | wileybd, root? |
| 21:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: please keep it for 5min more |
| 21:26.25 | MohammadAG51 | and plug in the N900 |
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| 21:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | we're all attending a miracle |
| 21:26.54 | DocScrutinizer | brought to us courtesy jacekowski |
| 21:27.06 | MohammadAG51 | and a properly undocumented flasher |
| 21:27.11 | wileybd | Sending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB).. |
| 21:27.16 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: bother to c&p the cmdline? |
| 21:27.20 | wileybd | Erasing CMT: 54% |
| 21:27.26 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: i was doing it on my linux laptop |
| 21:27.30 | jacekowski | and wifi decided to die |
| 21:27.37 | jacekowski | so one second |
| 21:27.46 | wileybd | yes im running that flasher app as root |
| 21:27.52 | jacekowski | i'll have to retype it |
| 21:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: please keep it for 5min more |
| 21:28.08 | wileybd | 5 min more ? you mean when it says its done |
| 21:28.09 | wileybd | ? |
| 21:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | I mean stfu |
| 21:28.21 | MohammadAG51 | no, just disconnect it when it's done |
| 21:28.29 | MohammadAG51 | lol DocScrutinizer temper :P |
| 21:28.31 | jacekowski | flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin......... -s secondary.bin...... -S usb |
| 21:28.42 | wileybd | CMT flashed successfully |
| 21:28.44 | jacekowski | -S usb is very important |
| 21:28.48 | wileybd | ive pulled the usb cable |
| 21:28.50 | jacekowski | otherwise it will try to use serial port |
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| 21:28.53 | wileybd | off of the n900 |
| 21:28.55 | MohammadAG51 | yeah, as i said above |
| 21:29.03 | MohammadAG51 | --serial-port=usb |
| 21:29.05 | *** mode/#maemo [+q wileybd!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 21:29.10 | MohammadAG51 | dude wtf? |
| 21:29.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: have no mercy |
| 21:29.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 21:30.02 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ok once again for clarity |
| 21:30.16 | jacekowski | nuke bootloader |
| 21:30.28 | jacekowski | Nokia-N900:~# cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 |
| 21:30.31 | ClaesBas | Any tips on where to dl maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb ( http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php out of order )? |
| 21:30.35 | jacekowski | cat: write error: No space left on device |
| 21:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | flasher-3.5 -c -h <what?> -2 <what?> -s <what?> |
| 21:30.49 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:30.51 | jacekowski | one second |
| 21:30.59 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, unpack your fiasco with -u |
| 21:31.01 | jacekowski | i think it's problem with killswitch |
| 21:31.04 | MohammadAG51 | and unquiet the guy |
| 21:31.11 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 21:31.19 | DocScrutinizer | sorry |
| 21:31.33 | MohammadAG51 | ty, i have no idea why you did that |
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| 21:31.48 | DocScrutinizer | because jacekowski wasn't finished |
| 21:31.58 | MohammadAG51 | this isn't #jacekowski |
| 21:32.05 | MohammadAG51 | with all respect to both of you |
| 21:32.09 | DocScrutinizer | and wileybd can wait another 5 min |
| 21:32.19 | jacekowski | let him talk |
| 21:32.19 | Aranel | MohammadAG51: do you know a mirror URL for SDK packages? It's still down and I really want that libqt package. :| |
| 21:32.23 | wileybd | no im still laughing on the stfu |
| 21:32.30 | jacekowski | i'll finish talking when i'll get my wifi working |
| 21:32.44 | DocScrutinizer | k, up to you. |
| 21:32.54 | MohammadAG51 | Aranel, mirror's dead |
| 21:32.59 | DocScrutinizer | hands a cookie to wileybd |
| 21:33.15 | Myrtti | you all need a better hobby |
| 21:33.19 | Myrtti | may I suggest knitting |
| 21:33.25 | wileybd | thanks |
| 21:33.31 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:33.34 | jacekowski | working |
| 21:33.37 | jacekowski | so first |
| 21:33.38 | SpeedEvil | My hobby is burning stuff I find around the garden. |
| 21:33.40 | wileybd | i knew i should have left this thing alone |
| 21:33.44 | jacekowski | nuke nolo |
| 21:33.47 | DocScrutinizer | decides staling Myrtti is even nicer than knitting |
| 21:33.48 | MohammadAG51 | Myrtti, how old are you to suggest knitting? :P |
| 21:33.54 | SpeedEvil | To quote Buffy. 'Fire Pretty'. |
| 21:33.54 | DocScrutinizer | stalking even |
| 21:34.01 | jacekowski | then start linux PC |
| 21:34.10 | Myrtti | MohammadAG51: too old for you |
| 21:34.14 | jacekowski | ( it's not going to work on windows without lot of struggle ) |
| 21:34.24 | jacekowski | download fiasco image |
| 21:34.25 | MohammadAG51 | Myrtti, lol, wasn't my point anyways |
| 21:34.28 | jacekowski | unpack it |
| 21:34.38 | jacekowski | flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u |
| 21:34.49 | jacekowski | disconnect phone |
| 21:34.51 | jacekowski | remove battery |
| 21:34.54 | MohammadAG51 | Myrtti, and #maemo's a geek channel, knitting is an insult :P |
| 21:35.10 | jacekowski | and then |
| 21:35.11 | jacekowski | flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb |
| 21:35.20 | SpeedEvil | Knitting is very geeky. |
| 21:35.29 | jacekowski | then connect phone via usb |
| 21:35.33 | Myrtti | MohammadAG51: I'm not the only one who does knitting, and I've also asked and begged for a knitting pattern app for Maemo since age immemorial |
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| 21:35.36 | MohammadAG51 | when you code an app to do it for you :P |
| 21:35.48 | jacekowski | plug in the battery |
| 21:35.52 | jacekowski | and you're done |
| 21:35.59 | jacekowski | now you can flash it |
| 21:36.03 | jacekowski | with normal image |
| 21:36.04 | MohammadAG51 | Myrtti, pattern app? how would that work? |
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| 21:36.50 | jacekowski | http://pastebin.com/ESJuhqMx |
| 21:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: thanks a million. As this time Myrtti decided to assist MohammadAG51 in spoiling irclogs with discussions about crack and knitting so there's still no proper URL pointing to a clear step by stef instruction, I'll summarize on wiki what you said |
| 21:37.27 | Myrtti | MohammadAG51: a bit like xournal did on Diablo, but not quite. There is an app for Android for designing patterns called "Little Knitter" - basically it's a grid that you can fill with different symbols |
| 21:38.10 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: a wiki page is better for such stuff anyway than an IRC log... |
| 21:38.34 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: of course device id will be different for some phones |
| 21:38.40 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: so I suggest YOU do it then :-D |
| 21:38.42 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and image will have to be different |
| 21:38.46 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, sorry, but this isn't a two person channel :P |
| 21:39.06 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: but i think majority is 2101 |
| 21:39.26 | MohammadAG51 | oh and DocScrutinizer, cat .xchat2/xchatlogs/Freenode-#maemo.log | tail -50 | grep jacekowski on your N900 |
| 21:39.34 | wileybd | still flashing those circles back and fourth does that sound correct? |
| 21:39.39 | jacekowski | wileybd: yes |
| 21:39.43 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: I've had my bit with the maemo wiki, I'd rather not touch it, I'd get hives |
| 21:39.46 | jacekowski | wileybd: it will take couple minutes |
| 21:39.58 | ClaesBas | Anybody with maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb on the machine able to share it? |
| 21:40.11 | jacekowski | ClaesBas: i think i have something |
| 21:40.18 | wileybd | ok |
| 21:40.29 | jacekowski | ClaesBas: yep |
| 21:40.42 | wileybd | reminds me of fsck on a 20tb flash drive :) |
| 21:40.49 | ClaesBas | jacekowski: Could you share it? |
| 21:40.53 | jacekowski | just a se |
| 21:40.54 | jacekowski | sec |
| 21:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: it might be correct, might also indicate you should do a full reflash, first vanilla then combined img |
| 21:41.27 | DocScrutinizer | as odds are it tries to optify and has IO errors on eMMC |
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| 21:41.33 | jacekowski | ClaesBas: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb |
| 21:41.42 | wileybd | thats what im thinking because i let sit earlier like this for a few hours |
| 21:42.13 | ClaesBas | jacekowski: 1000 thanks! |
| 21:42.14 | MohammadAG51 | kernel needs a hold f for framebuffer patch |
| 21:42.15 | wileybd | ill read up on how to do that |
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| 21:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 21:42.38 | infobot | i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 21:42.47 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: just make sure to add not that it will have problems on windows |
| 21:42.52 | MohammadAG51 | you need the image, which is on a site that's down |
| 21:43.04 | MohammadAG51 | ffs Nokia, get your shit together and buy new servers |
| 21:43.21 | DocScrutinizer | ACK |
| 21:43.21 | MohammadAG51 | or make the images redistributable |
| 21:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | ACK again |
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| 21:43.44 | wileybd | well dam i figured that was one the entire reasons they would use linux |
| 21:43.53 | jacekowski | s/not/note/ |
| 21:44.21 | DocScrutinizer | hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized |
| 21:44.35 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 21:44.52 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, deop ;) |
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| 21:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | thnx |
| 21:45.17 | MohammadAG51 | yw |
| 21:45.29 | MohammadAG51 | stabs ChanServ, deop |
| 21:45.41 | Myrtti | MohammadAG51: let me count how many times I've asked and begged for that kind of app for linux... looks like three times in 2 years |
| 21:46.15 | jacekowski | ~coldflash |
| 21:46.16 | MohammadAG51 | not enough coders who understand knitting :P |
| 21:46.24 | wileybd | ok so i still have to wait to grab the base vannilla image |
| 21:46.30 | MohammadAG51 | is bla bka |
| 21:46.48 | Myrtti | MohammadAG51: I guess Android has more coders then... how come they've got several knitting related apps? |
| 21:46.50 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: do you have copy of it? |
| 21:46.54 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: emmc image? |
| 21:47.10 | MohammadAG51 | yes, i think |
| 21:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, share it to wileybd |
| 21:47.15 | Myrtti | and yes, that actually was a rhetoric and BITTER question |
| 21:47.21 | jacekowski | up it to my server |
| 21:47.23 | wileybd | wileybd crosses his fingers |
| 21:48.05 | wileybd | at this point i dont even care about md5 sum matches :) |
| 21:48.06 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: answer: $0.79 |
| 21:48.31 | wileybd | i just need to make a call and i lost my red box back in1995 |
| 21:48.58 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, i'm dead if someone sees me awake :P |
| 21:49.06 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: LittleKnitter is free?! |
| 21:49.23 | jacekowski | knitting is little bit girlish |
| 21:49.44 | Myrtti | sure, there's a paid version for ~$3.20 but still |
| 21:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: sorry no clue, but I bet there's a zillion way to make money with a proper shop |
| 21:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | see? |
| 21:50.03 | Myrtti | jacekowski: and my father taught me how to knit |
| 21:50.21 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: blame OVI |
| 21:50.36 | Myrtti | jacekowski: he donates a bin bag full of toddler sized socks to the local kindergarten every year... |
| 21:51.09 | jacekowski | wool socks? |
| 21:51.12 | jacekowski | i hated them |
| 21:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | oh YESSS |
| 21:51.33 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, pass over PM again? |
| 21:51.45 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i don't remember it |
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| 21:51.48 | jacekowski | give me a sec |
| 21:52.09 | MohammadAG51 | change it then :P |
| 21:52.14 | Myrtti | I could've lived with Xournal but when I last tried it on scratchboxed Maemo 5 it didn't actually do anything a knitter would need it to do |
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| 21:52.25 | Myrtti | so I was happy with my N800 |
| 21:52.27 | Myrtti | anyway |
| 21:53.24 | MohammadAG51 | ./Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 21:53.41 | DocScrutinizer | heard of dudes going Dagobert Duck with 79ct apps on iStore |
| 21:53.41 | MohammadAG51 | WoL ftw |
| 21:54.02 | jacekowski | ok |
| 21:55.43 | DocScrutinizer | when oh when will this shit show up on rapidshare? |
| 21:56.38 | DocScrutinizer | I'm a total share noob so don't point at me |
| 21:57.12 | wileybd | MohammadAG51 is that shared somhow and i was suppose to grab it? |
| 21:57.28 | wileybd | the ./Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin i see above |
| 21:57.46 | jacekowski | he's uploading it to me |
| 21:57.51 | wileybd | ah i see |
| 21:57.54 | jacekowski | so you can download it from there when it's done |
| 21:58.05 | wileybd | from where? |
| 21:58.09 | jacekowski | my server |
| 21:58.14 | wileybd | i just see ./Downloads path |
| 21:58.19 | wileybd | ah ok |
| 21:58.20 | jacekowski | not uploaded yet |
| 21:58.31 | jacekowski | i'll move it to jacekowski.org/maemo/binary/firmware/ |
| 21:58.33 | jacekowski | when it's done |
| 21:58.40 | jacekowski | i'll move it to maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ |
| 21:58.51 | wileybd | ah ok i thought it was some kind of old school dcc send command |
| 21:58.57 | MohammadAG51 | ETA is one hour |
| 21:59.00 | jacekowski | nah, that's just one off |
| 21:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
| 21:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | get you an internet! |
| 21:59.19 | jacekowski | if he uploads it to my server more people can download it later |
| 21:59.24 | MohammadAG51 | 67kbps upload speed grr |
| 21:59.35 | MohammadAG51 | i usually get +100 |
| 21:59.41 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: i can do more on my phone |
| 21:59.50 | MohammadAG51 | fucking broadcom driver support |
| 21:59.59 | MohammadAG51 | and it's wireless N... |
| 22:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | grumbles about never having bothered to dl that shit |
| 22:00.34 | jacekowski | i think i have pr1.2 emmc image somewhere |
| 22:00.40 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, oh and it's 250MBs |
| 22:00.56 | MohammadAG51 | btw, that image is modified to be 3GBs for /home |
| 22:01.00 | DocScrutinizer | my box has a 1GB backbone |
| 22:01.05 | MohammadAG51 | used sed on it to reverse changes |
| 22:01.18 | MohammadAG51 | use* |
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| 22:02.03 | MohammadAG51 | btw, if Nokia wants to sue me, i'm a minor, and your rules only apply when they're (the rules) are available to read |
| 22:02.19 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 22:02.21 | Myrtti | good night folks |
| 22:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | cackles satanically |
| 22:02.42 | MohammadAG51 | night Myrtti |
| 22:03.14 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: o/ |
| 22:03.39 | MohammadAG51 | btw, *switches on racist mode* |
| 22:03.51 | MohammadAG51 | 30MB lines are available in IL |
| 22:03.58 | MohammadAG51 | but they're for jews only |
| 22:04.09 | DocScrutinizer | sure thing |
| 22:04.17 | jacekowski | that reminds me of video i saw |
| 22:04.22 | MohammadAG51 | and they cost a 100 per month |
| 22:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | fuck |
| 22:04.31 | MohammadAG51 | $ i think |
| 22:04.32 | jacekowski | and stupid kids throwing eggs at cars |
| 22:04.39 | jacekowski | in israel |
| 22:04.49 | jacekowski | and one of these kids got ran over |
| 22:04.52 | MohammadAG51 | the guy who ran them over? |
| 22:05.04 | MohammadAG51 | i thought they were throwing rocks |
| 22:05.11 | jacekowski | well, something round |
| 22:05.15 | jacekowski | maybe rocks |
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| 22:06.01 | MohammadAG51 | extremists exist on both sides |
| 22:06.02 | DocScrutinizer | I recall eggs being thrown at cars somehwre |
| 22:06.09 | MohammadAG51 | wipe those out, and you get a happy life |
| 22:06.22 | ALoGeNo | hey im trying to install sdk but http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/fremantle/i386/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz isnt there, is there some new link? im following the wiki but that link dont work |
| 22:06.23 | jacekowski | so what you think about virgins after death? |
| 22:06.51 | MohammadAG51 | err? |
| 22:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | /join #defocus ! |
| 22:07.15 | MohammadAG51 | ALoGeNo, topic |
| 22:07.16 | jacekowski | nevermind |
| 22:07.31 | DocScrutinizer | ALoGeNo: /topic ! |
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| 22:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | ALoGeNo: odds are it gets fixed on tuesday |
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| 22:09.14 | MohammadAG51 | or tmrw |
| 22:09.35 | DocScrutinizer | tomorrow is holiday in catholic european countries |
| 22:09.43 | MohammadAG51 | meh! |
| 22:09.48 | ALoGeNo | thank you very much DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG51 :) |
| 22:10.12 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-31 22:44:20] <DocScrutinizer> hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized |
| 22:10.20 | MohammadAG51 | why isn't maemo run by jews? |
| 22:10.55 | DocScrutinizer | because angry birds isn't kosher |
| 22:11.08 | MohammadAG51 | epic reply |
| 22:11.11 | MohammadAG51 | xD |
| 22:11.19 | ALoGeNo | that is the problem ( repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause) no? |
| 22:11.34 | MohammadAG51 | yep |
| 22:11.37 | ALoGeNo | thank you guys |
| 22:11.50 | MohammadAG51 | yw :) |
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| 22:12.02 | ALoGeNo | :) |
| 22:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember a similar opportunity where they messes up everything just before evrybody went on holidays for a week |
| 22:13.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe last xmas |
| 22:13.06 | DocScrutinizer | or easter? |
| 22:13.17 | MohammadAG51 | xmas i think |
| 22:13.29 | MohammadAG51 | i wasn't here though |
| 22:14.46 | DocScrutinizer | yes, was xmas. Now I seem to recall a rant of mine "how COULD they?? All the guys unpacking their devices under the tree, then screwed as repos are down til new year" |
| 22:14.58 | MohammadAG51 | 25 percent uploaded |
| 22:15.08 | jacekowski | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-Hd755bbc8uw/wile_e_coyote_fail_vs_epic_fail/ |
| 22:16.30 | MohammadAG51 | off to bed |
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| 22:16.54 | MohammadAG51 | i'll keep scp running jacekowski |
| 22:17.23 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
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| 22:17.24 | RST38h | Top Stories |
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| 22:18.29 | MohammadAG51 | night peeps |
| 22:18.41 | wileybd | night thanks for the help |
| 22:19.04 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: just paste md5sum of it |
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| 22:26.41 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 22:32.10 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.torrentdownloads.net/searches/RX+51+2009SE+1+2009+41+1+VANILLA+PR+EMMC+MR0+ARM |
| 22:33.07 | wileybd | i tried isohunt and found nothing |
| 22:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | actually the file sizes are insane |
| 22:33.59 | wileybd | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks a bit different |
| 22:34.23 | jacekowski | wait for MohammadAG51 to finish with his upload |
| 22:34.25 | wileybd | one says 1.3 gb |
| 22:34.44 | DocScrutinizer | might be raw disk images |
| 22:34.50 | jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 126697472 Oct 31 23:34 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:34.55 | jacekowski | half is already there |
| 22:35.26 | wileybd | cool |
| 22:35.36 | DocScrutinizer | just moh more than half gone, regarding md5sum |
| 22:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not bother too much bout md5 |
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| 22:39.55 | TomaszD | I was trying to debug this weird deauth problem with my n900 |
| 22:39.58 | dolp | how to find out which exact qt and qtm versions are on device |
| 22:40.35 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' |
| 22:40.38 | TomaszD | suddenly WLAN became very unreliable, even with battery saving off |
| 22:40.50 | TomaszD | I just unplug my WLAN ipcam |
| 22:40.56 | wileybd | will do |
| 22:40.57 | TomaszD | and now it works well again.... |
| 22:41.03 | jacekowski | hmm i'm just thinking |
| 22:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | s/remove/remove and re-insert/ |
| 22:41.12 | TomaszD | *unplugged |
| 22:41.14 | jacekowski | that it looks like that white LED |
| 22:41.19 | jacekowski | when phone is switching on |
| 22:41.23 | jacekowski | when you press button |
| 22:41.30 | jacekowski | isn't done by nolo 2nd |
| 22:41.36 | jacekowski | it's done by 1st stage |
| 22:41.40 | wileybd | ok |
| 22:42.04 | nox- | dolp, apt-cache policy? |
| 22:42.19 | DocScrutinizer | err damn |
| 22:42.30 | nox- | gets 4.7.0-git20100909... |
| 22:42.50 | DocScrutinizer | wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and omit the -R. Then remove & insert battery, prepare COMBINED flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' |
| 22:43.52 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: :-o |
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| 22:44.01 | wileybd | so i remove and reinsert the battery for each one i image to it |
| 22:44.08 | wileybd | no prob |
| 22:45.29 | wileybd | so i really havent had time to keep up with the n900 stuff i know i just wanted one but is the meego stuff better then maemo at all? |
| 22:45.49 | wileybd | or is it along ways away |
| 22:46.55 | SpeedEvil | meego as a polished phone OS - or even a releasable one - is some ways off. |
| 22:47.07 | SpeedEvil | I would be surpirsed to see it polished before august. |
| 22:47.16 | wileybd | ok |
| 22:47.22 | SpeedEvil | Maybe it may be released before then - who knows. |
| 22:47.35 | SpeedEvil | points to #meego |
| 22:47.47 | wileybd | well i need to do the candy thing so when i get back i guess ill try to download the vanilla image |
| 22:48.09 | jpinx-eeepc | "polished" as maemo was prior to release? |
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| 22:51.03 | pupnik | Great Depression Cooking: Egg Drop Soup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yREFkmrrYiw |
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| 22:52.57 | SpeedEvil | maemo 5 was not publically developed AIUI |
| 22:53.12 | jacekowski | -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 190365696 Oct 31 23:53 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 22:53.28 | pupnik | we shoudl work on hacking android drivers to work with linux kernel |
| 22:53.34 | pupnik | then run linux on popular phones |
| 22:53.41 | jacekowski | android is linux based |
| 22:53.41 | pupnik | and world domination |
| 22:53.44 | pupnik | right |
| 22:53.45 | jacekowski | andoid is a linux |
| 22:54.02 | pupnik | so for an android camera driver, expose a v4l interface |
| 22:54.17 | pupnik | for accelerometer, a joystick interface |
| 22:54.18 | pupnik | etc |
| 22:54.42 | pupnik | boot linux, run linux apps, run android apps, run maemo apps |
| 22:54.59 | pupnik | on hardware that starts at $150 |
| 22:55.07 | dolp | god i dont like qt mobility :D |
| 22:55.09 | jacekowski | $150? |
| 22:55.12 | SpeedEvil | Android is to normal linux as frankenstein is to Michael Jordan. |
| 22:55.20 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: not really |
| 22:55.26 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: it's almost normal linux kernel |
| 22:55.32 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: lot of stuff got merged to mainline |
| 22:55.44 | SpeedEvil | yeah - I meant normal linux distributions. |
| 22:55.45 | jacekowski | and stuff that didn't is implemented in mainline in some other way |
| 22:56.29 | jacekowski | but there are still some differences |
| 22:57.30 | DocScrutinizer | HELP NEEDED! Topic USB: Assume we have a PHY connected via ULPI. Where and how is speed switching done? (LS/HS/FS). Is this a mere PHY thing, or is the "upper end" ULPI controller also involved? All pointers and small bits of info much appreciated. thank you |
| 22:58.32 | SpeedEvil | asked overr on #edev? Sometimes people with a clue will pop up there |
| 23:00.39 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: well, whole usb negotiation is done partialy in software as well |
| 23:00.48 | jacekowski | i mean chirping and stuff |
| 23:01.20 | jacekowski | i would bet it's more than just phy involved |
| 23:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: we have the problem how to switch to correct speed for hostmode |
| 23:01.33 | DocScrutinizer | with the friggin musb-core |
| 23:02.12 | jacekowski | well, it's partialy phy |
| 23:02.21 | jacekowski | as line states are different |
| 23:02.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I dunno #edev. Maybe I should have a peek |
| 23:02.27 | jacekowski | for different modes |
| 23:02.33 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:02.34 | jacekowski | and then it uses chirping to go to FS |
| 23:02.36 | DocScrutinizer | known |
| 23:02.43 | DocScrutinizer | also ack |
| 23:02.54 | jacekowski | HS i mean |
| 23:03.41 | jacekowski | so you have your high state on one of lines to detect ls/fs |
| 23:03.43 | DocScrutinizer | is ULPI clock driven by PHY and musb_core just follows, or do we need to make sure musb-core has correct clock and logical protocol? |
| 23:04.56 | jacekowski | dunno |
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| 23:08.29 | merlin1991 | damn @ topic, I wanted to install sdk and adjust some widgets to my liking tomorrow :/ |
| 23:09.28 | nid0 | has anyone ever seen an issue where their device will longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress (and just shows the number the call's from), but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call? |
| 23:09.42 | nid0 | will no longer* |
| 23:16.25 | jacekowski | ok |
| 23:16.29 | jacekowski | wileybd: done |
| 23:16.49 | jacekowski | http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ |
| 23:17.26 | merlin1991 | hm is there any mirror of the extras repository anywhere? |
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| 23:19.38 | jacekowski | that's not bad idea |
| 23:19.49 | jacekowski | when it comes back i'll start mirroring it |
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| 23:20.08 | merlin1991 | I think this was discussed here already, but I missed the conclusion the last time, is it actually ok to mirror extras? |
| 23:29.59 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: please reread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685914#post685914. They still seem correct to the point, and comprehensive. Paul's method is implementing exactly that, for all I can tell |
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| 23:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(what does it tell there's only 6 rsp 15 thanks for useful post on a 95% implementation spec, while BS like "Can't wait to get my hands on it LULZ" get 30 thanks) |
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| 23:34.40 | jacekowski | yeah, there is one problem with that |
| 23:34.51 | merlin1991 | I don't understand a single word in the whole thing :P |
| 23:35.00 | jacekowski | it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation |
| 23:35.46 | jacekowski | which is quite important bit |
| 23:35.53 | jacekowski | i mean negotiation itself is simple |
| 23:36.11 | jacekowski | it's how do you implement it in this hardware configuration which isn't really designed to work with hostmode at all |
| 23:37.13 | jacekowski | i'm going to sleep before midnight today |
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| 23:39.37 | TPC | hi, my N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I want to try flashing, but the nokia server where the flasher / firmware is hosted seems to be down, does anyone have a mirror? |
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| 23:40.10 | pupnik | !flasher |
| 23:40.16 | merlin1991 | hm if anyone could explain me what the PHY stands for in the host mode discussion I would be glad |
| 23:40.16 | pupnik | hm |
| 23:40.18 | nox- | ~flasher |
| 23:40.19 | infobot | somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 23:40.44 | pupnik | i just have a binary for it for ia32 linux |
| 23:41.26 | TPC | pupnik, that would work fine |
| 23:42.25 | nox- | merlin1991, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PHY |
| 23:42.35 | SpeedEvil | PHY = physical USB interface. |
| 23:43.06 | SpeedEvil | It's the bit that speaks USB and connects to the external connector. It is talked to over the ULPI bus by the CPU |
| 23:43.55 | merlin1991 | I see, that stuff is way over my head |
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| 23:47.10 | sivang | anybody know why would a debian paclage, at install time, try to run an init.d script before finishing the installation of other package content that is mandatory for the script to run? |
| 23:47.18 | sivang | is on the brink of insanity |
| 23:47.32 | sivang | so- I have a pkg, that has a script, that imports a package |
| 23:47.35 | sivang | (python) |
| 23:47.49 | sivang | on install time, he install breaks sinc ehte pkg is not there yet |
| 23:47.59 | sivang | on subsequent installs, it works, since the paclkage is already there |
| 23:48.05 | sivang | I have no pre* scripts |
| 23:48.08 | sivang | only postint\ |
| 23:48.19 | sivang | anyone ran into something similar? |
| 23:50.03 | TPC | nevermind, I found an old copy of the flasher and firmware I had lying around, these will have to do |
| 23:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: (it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation) that's exactly why I asked for help here :-D I simply have NFC how it works |
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