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| 00:02.16 | DocScrutinizer | grr |
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| 00:03.08 | E0x | SpeedEvil: the thing is before was , country,city . only and now was : country,city,sector |
| 00:04.03 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: note that your ban is malformed... should be *!*venom@*triad.res.rr.com .. otherwise it wouldn't match either of the two hosts he's used |
| 00:04.19 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
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| 00:05.22 | *** mode/#maemo [-b *!venom@*triad.res.rr.com] by DocScrutinizer |
| 00:05.28 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/4207075892/meta/ |
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| 00:05.48 | SpeedEvil | GPS Latitude 56 deg 13' 36.00" N GPS Longitude 3 deg 7' 30.00" W |
| 00:05.57 | SpeedEvil | for example - the ends are 0 |
| 00:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: thanks |
| 00:05.59 | SpeedEvil | which is bogus |
| 00:06.04 | ieatlint | np :) |
| 00:07.20 | DocScrutinizer | actually I'd prefer writing a script to deal with such shit and suckers, rather than doing it myself and insert typos |
| 00:07.32 | javispedro | sorry, 1-click ban is patented |
| 00:07.40 | DocScrutinizer | meh :-P |
| 00:07.43 | ieatlint | i assure you there have been many scripts already written for this :P |
| 00:07.44 | Shapeshifter | so, do I need to put this webos game in /home/user/applications as some dude suggests on the forum or can I put it somewhere in MyDocs not to fill up rootfs? |
| 00:08.15 | DocScrutinizer | hi Shapeshifter :-) |
| 00:08.22 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: hello there |
| 00:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | err /home != rootfs either |
| 00:09.12 | javispedro | binary has to be on exec filesystem. Other than that, you're free to go. |
| 00:09.46 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: thanks |
| 00:10.01 | Shapeshifter | DocScrutinizer: no? I thought /home/user was on rootfs |
| 00:10.08 | javispedro | exec filesystems on default n900: /, /home |
| 00:10.53 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: /home/user is same filesystem as /opt |
| 00:11.00 | DocScrutinizer | Shapeshifter: /home is a (default) 2GB partition on eMMC |
| 00:11.02 | javispedro | aka /home, 2GiB by default |
| 00:11.12 | Shapeshifter | oh |
| 00:11.26 | Shapeshifter | I've lived a lie |
| 00:11.29 | Shapeshifter | ^^ |
| 00:11.32 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 00:12.02 | E0x | SpeedEvil: |
| 00:12.04 | E0x | GPS Latitude18.489444 degrees GPS Latitude RefNorth GPS Longitude69.933611 degrees |
| 00:12.29 | E0x | like that ? |
| 00:12.32 | javispedro | altitude is not available on the first few gps fixes on pr1.3, i've noticed |
| 00:13.00 | E0x | javispedro: in pr1.2 not all the time is available too |
| 00:13.08 | E0x | i have a few picture without it |
| 00:13.12 | E0x | from pr1.2 days |
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| 00:13.17 | javispedro | hum |
| 00:13.34 | javispedro | previously I used to get altitude even when 2D nav |
| 00:13.40 | javispedro | (last altitude I guess) |
| 00:13.50 | javispedro | maybe human error. |
| 00:13.52 | E0x | maybe |
| 00:14.11 | SpeedEvil | umm - sort-of. |
| 00:14.16 | SpeedEvil | runs the numbers |
| 00:16.04 | SpeedEvil | Seems to be integer seconds |
| 00:16.11 | Shapeshifter | mhh. I've never had this. and searching man tar doesn't even contain the word "target": tar zxvf data.tar.gz unpacks the contents to /usr/palm/... instead of ./usr/palm. I can't even remember tar doing this? |
| 00:16.16 | SpeedEvil | 29 min, 22 seconds |
| 00:16.36 | javispedro | messybox |
| 00:17.37 | Shapeshifter | ._. |
| 00:21.04 | Shapeshifter | tar-gnu to the rescue |
| 00:21.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | install cureutils-gnu |
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| 00:23.30 | DocScrutinizer | ohh, and: |
| 00:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 00:23.34 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
| 00:25.47 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: wow this actually works |
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| 00:28.25 | javispedro | no wonder... |
| 00:28.28 | javispedro | ;P |
| 00:30.16 | javispedro | lol, on N900, vibrator is mapped to a LED class device? |
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| 00:34.07 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 00:34.41 | SpeedEvil | was amused when he noticed the link for 'gnu od'. |
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| 00:39.52 | javispedro | bah, I see that on upstream kernels vibrator is mapped more correctly as feedback device, but I guess that wasn't good enough for our N900 =) |
| 00:40.16 | javispedro | (more like the other way, led was good enough) |
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| 00:45.59 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: weird, on OE it's also a LED which made me go WTF for OM kernel several times |
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| 00:46.32 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: is preenv usually generating icons to be placed in /usr/share/icons? |
| 00:46.34 | DocScrutinizer | actually I never seen such a thing like a feedback device |
| 00:46.41 | javispedro | either way, I see that it is not very much usable as mce will "take" control of it every few second |
| 00:46.41 | javispedro | s |
| 00:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: yup |
| 00:47.07 | DocScrutinizer | mce-666 |
| 00:47.18 | javispedro | and mce doesn't have public API to set pwm ... |
| 00:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 00:47.29 | javispedro | bah. |
| 00:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | just patterns |
| 00:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway you *could* stop mce |
| 00:47.49 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: yes. |
| 00:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | and enjoy the madness braking loose |
| 00:48.05 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: not that I'd want to. |
| 00:48.15 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: didn't work for sims in my case (but maybe it's just still that bug where icons aren't refreshed immediately) |
| 00:48.26 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: reboot |
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| 00:48.33 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: I see |
| 00:48.41 | fb|jean | ~pr1.3 |
| 00:48.41 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 00:48.45 | Shapeshifter | #6931 |
| 00:48.48 | Shapeshifter | bug #6931 |
| 00:48.49 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one |
| 00:49.07 | fb|jean | bug #1945 |
| 00:49.08 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1945 javascript confirmation |
| 00:49.17 | fb|jean | bug #1939 |
| 00:49.18 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1939 md5sum: command not found when setting up tetex-base in ARMEL |
| 00:49.28 | fb|jean | hm k, nazi free chan |
| 00:49.44 | fb|jean | bug #42 |
| 00:49.45 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/42 Refers to the wrong rootstrap |
| 00:50.01 | fb|jean | ok last one (i love it!) |
| 00:50.05 | fb|jean | *drumwhirl* |
| 00:50.07 | fb|jean | #1337 |
| 00:50.09 | fb|jean | fuck |
| 00:50.11 | fb|jean | bug #1337 |
| 00:50.12 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1337 Menu item News -> garage news is broken |
| 00:50.18 | fb|jean | hmpf |
| 00:50.27 | wmarone | ? |
| 00:50.35 | wmarone | havin gfun?/ |
| 00:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | fb|jean: done? |
| 00:50.55 | fb|jean | ok. seriously. i'm developer and i'm looking for some docs bout the possibilities for maemo development |
| 00:51.12 | fb|jean | like.. gps api (in diverent languages, like python or c or perl) |
| 00:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | povbot largely useless for that purpose |
| 00:51.17 | povbot | DocScrutinizer: Error: "largely" is not a valid command. |
| 00:51.20 | fb|jean | is there any "starter" guide? |
| 00:51.23 | javispedro | wmarone: "gfun" is exactly the way to describe one's mood after having used glib for a while. |
| 00:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | fb|jean: try wiki |
| 00:51.59 | wmarone | javispedro: indeed |
| 00:51.59 | fb|jean | kk |
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| 00:55.27 | fb|jean | pymaemo. nice. i came. |
| 00:56.13 | Shapeshifter | well it sure is having problematic not having multitouch for gaming ._. |
| 00:56.52 | fb|jean | gaming.. tz. its maemo, not gameboy os =) |
| 00:57.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/Top_Level_Architecture |
| 00:57.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation |
| 00:58.12 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: have you tried assassin's creed? |
| 00:58.36 | Shapeshifter | it runs fine but without multitouch I can't even manage to get past the tutorial :D |
| 00:58.36 | javispedro | I only own two games. |
| 00:59.10 | DocScrutinizer | fb|jean: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API |
| 00:59.31 | fb|jean | DocScrutinizer: found it already, but thanks |
| 01:00.02 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API |
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| 01:47.12 | luke-jr | fb|jean: you know Maemo is dead, right? |
| 01:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | as dead as digital technology at large |
| 01:49.06 | DocScrutinizer | on second thought, even I feel strange today |
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| 01:55.10 | logisist | claws-mail sucks |
| 01:55.14 | logisist | all mail sucks on the N900 |
| 01:55.28 | ieatlint | dude, install pine, it's awesome |
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| 02:00.34 | ds3 | if pine works with a touch screen.... |
| 02:02.14 | nox- | uses mutt via ssh |
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| 02:12.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | suggests starting an effort to get a better mail client for maemo. Step 1: specify requirements. Then we can think about either reworking modest, or finding a better suited program and base on that |
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| 02:13.28 | johnx | DocScrutinizer51, I want a calendar that speaks caldav while we're at it |
| 02:15.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | well such an effort/project can scale nicely to cover more than just mail. calendar is a natural sibling of mail, regarding procedure and structure of such an effort |
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| 02:24.17 | johnx | just, for the love of god, make sure they're *not* an all-in-one thing |
| 02:25.21 | DocScrutinizer | that's not what I implied, just thought step1 is similar for virtually every core app on maemo. Specify requirements |
| 02:25.47 | nox- | bbl |
| 02:25.51 | johnx | fine there's requirement 1: they MUST not be tied together into one program |
| 02:25.53 | DocScrutinizer | o/ |
| 02:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | sure, full ackk |
| 02:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | tough there are actually quite some interfaces between e.g. mail and calendar. Like syncing calendars and appointments via imap rsp mail in general |
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| 02:30.09 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, very true. That's probably one of the big reasons people are tempted to role them up into one app |
| 02:30.32 | DocScrutinizer | also a contact can have a calendar element, e.g for birthday, and a calendar entry can have associated alarms and notes and contacts. So I guess that's what should form a PIM with a universal PIMobject datatype |
| 02:31.04 | johnx | yup |
| 02:31.10 | DocScrutinizer | but mail isn't one of the components of core PIM in my book, just has close interfaces to PIM |
| 02:31.48 | johnx | Maemo already uses some evolution data storage system for that |
| 02:32.00 | johnx | I have no idea if it's nice to work with from a programming point of view |
| 02:32.31 | luke-jr | ieatlint: pine is non-free |
| 02:32.42 | johnx | is alpine free? |
| 02:32.45 | luke-jr | nfc |
| 02:33.04 | johnx | near field communications? |
| 02:33.07 | luke-jr | SquirrelMail is free I think |
| 02:33.10 | luke-jr | no freaking clue |
| 02:33.29 | johnx | squirrelmail is also a webmail program, not a local client really |
| 02:33.36 | johnx | also: it's kinda ... spartan |
| 02:34.02 | luke-jr | sure, but better than anythign else on N900 :p |
| 02:34.13 | johnx | can't agree ... |
| 02:34.18 | luke-jr | Modest decided to stop showing new emails for me : |
| 02:34.19 | luke-jr | :/ |
| 02:34.37 | ieatlint | ah, alpine is indeed what i meant... and it is free (apache licence) |
| 02:41.33 | garyholt | !maemo |
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| 02:43.12 | MrPPS | Hey all, the GUI interface for updating offers no updates, but if i do "apt-get update" then "apt-get upgrade" it offers 1003 packages for upgrade - any idea why this might be? |
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| 02:59.07 | Pauly_ | Hi, anyone know how to get back to the stock Nokia N900 PR 1.3 kernel after installing the OC kernel? |
| 02:59.33 | Pauly_ | without reflashing the whole firmware? |
| 02:59.46 | MrPPS | http://wiki.maemo.org/Kernel_Power#Deinstallation |
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| 02:59.52 | MrPPS | Pauly_: that link was for you |
| 03:00.02 | Pauly_ | thank you sir? |
| 03:00.15 | MrPPS | welcome |
| 03:00.20 | MrPPS | that's the official instructions anyway |
| 03:00.28 | MrPPS | :) |
| 03:01.07 | Pauly_ | i need more battery life which do you think is better, stock nokia 1.3 kernel or kernel power With ULV Setting? |
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| 03:01.47 | luke-jr | 1.3 has a kernel update? |
| 03:01.49 | Pauly_ | stock BL-5J battery is too expensive for me and i dont wanna buy a cheap one |
| 03:01.50 | MrPPS | well, personally, i just bought a bigger battery, but i haven't tried the different kernel yet, so i cant advise on that |
| 03:01.58 | MrPPS | sorry Pauly_ |
| 03:02.13 | SwedeMike | I fiddled with the power kernel and now after installing 1.3 it seems it gave the same power usage but with more responsive phone, so I think the power kernel doesn't do that much when it comes to giving longer battery life, but you can really screw up the performance. |
| 03:02.26 | Pauly_ | the MUGEN power? |
| 03:02.37 | luke-jr | O.o |
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| 03:03.28 | Pauly_ | i think im gonna reinstall the kernel |
| 03:04.22 | Pauly_ | im just worried that uninstalling the kernel will put the PR1.2 Kernel instead of 1.3? |
| 03:06.09 | Pauly_ | ??? |
| 03:06.53 | ieatlint | you act like you're expecting an answer, but that wasn't actually a question, even though it had a random trailing question mark |
| 03:07.04 | ieatlint | unless you are actually asking for our input on what you worry about |
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| 03:10.58 | Pauly_ | yes i am lol i am sorry |
| 03:11.18 | luke-jr | Pauly_: I don't think there is a 1.3 kernel |
| 03:11.36 | luke-jr | but now that I think of it, I'm using the Mobile Hotspot kernel so maybe it got ignored |
| 03:11.45 | Pauly_ | oh ok i read in the forums that there was one |
| 03:11.53 | Pauly_ | sorry my bad |
| 03:11.54 | MrPPS | maybe he means maemo os version? kernels are 2.4.* and 2.6.* |
| 03:12.03 | Pauly_ | no |
| 03:12.08 | Pauly_ | just the kernel |
| 03:12.19 | MrPPS | cause mines a 2.6.28-omap1 kernel |
| 03:13.26 | ieatlint | i also do not believe pr1.3 had a kernel update, but i wouldn't swear to it |
| 03:13.27 | Pauly_ | MrPPS and you have PR 1.3? |
| 03:13.38 | Dhraakellian | mrrr... |
| 03:13.45 | MrPPS | i dont recall - i have the latest version, whatever that is |
| 03:13.46 | Pauly_ | oh ok then maybe my mind is all messed up lol |
| 03:14.13 | Dhraakellian | I seem to have lost support for ogg vorbis after the update to 1.3 |
| 03:14.23 | Pauly_ | okay well thank you and btw any1 know where to get a good deal on the stock battery? |
| 03:14.40 | MrPPS | Pauly_: you can find official batteries on ebay at a reasonable price |
| 03:14.44 | MrPPS | depending what your budget is, of course |
| 03:14.58 | Dhraakellian | packages are still there, but media player is only showing the paltry portion of my collection that's in mp3 |
| 03:15.00 | Pauly_ | i was scared they was not affoical being so cheap. lol |
| 03:15.47 | Dhraakellian | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=853235&postcount=14 didn't work for me |
| 03:15.55 | Pauly_ | thanks so much i gtg watch RED with the wife love u all maemo People!!!!!!!! |
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| 03:16.07 | MrPPS | adios Pauly_ |
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| 03:16.38 | Dhraakellian | anyone have any other ideas for getting Ogg Vorbis back in the media player? |
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| 03:30.44 | kulve | Dhraakellian: it seems that you need to uninstall and install the ogg support package |
| 03:31.25 | Dhraakellian | ...which I did |
| 03:31.45 | Dhraakellian | tries uninstalling extra decoders support through the GUI instead of mucking about with apt-get |
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| 03:43.34 | Dhraakellian | okay, uninstalling via the GUI did it |
| 03:44.31 | Dhraakellian | ...and reinstalling, of coures |
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| 04:14.32 | TermanaDesire | Morning |
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| 04:54.29 | MohammadAG51 | :o an android user |
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| 04:54.39 | MohammadAG51 | gtfo TermanaDesire |
| 04:54.42 | MohammadAG51 | GTFO |
| 04:54.44 | MohammadAG51 | jk :P |
| 04:54.52 | TermanaDesire | :p |
| 04:55.14 | TermanaDesire | Only until I can get a new n900! |
| 04:55.17 | RST38h | moo all |
| 04:55.53 | MohammadAG51 | oh, your screen died |
| 04:55.59 | MohammadAG51 | moo RST38h |
| 04:56.26 | TermanaDesire | Morning RST38h |
| 04:56.49 | RobbieThe1st | ~pr1.3 |
| 04:56.49 | infobot | from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 04:56.54 | TermanaDesire | MohammadAG51: well, yeah. My little brother put it in water |
| 04:57.07 | RobbieThe1st | Are the Fiasco images for PR1.3 out yet? |
| 04:57.36 | MohammadAG51 | TermanaDesire, shove it in water for 2/3 days |
| 04:57.40 | TermanaDesire | RobbieThe1st: tablets-dev |
| 04:57.47 | MohammadAG51 | RobbieThe1st, you're 2 days late |
| 04:57.47 | RobbieThe1st | K, great |
| 04:58.09 | TermanaDesire | MohammadAG51: and they would help it... how? |
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| 04:58.18 | RobbieThe1st | last I heard, people were complaining about having to use the Nokia Ovi suite to update, so... |
| 04:58.45 | MohammadAG51 | TermanaDesire, rice absorbs moisture |
| 04:58.56 | MohammadAG51 | TermanaDesire, LOL I said water |
| 04:58.59 | MohammadAG51 | meant rice |
| 04:59.34 | TermanaDesire | MohammadAG51: lol :p |
| 04:59.35 | RST38h | updated with apt-get. What Ovi Suite? |
| 04:59.51 | TermanaDesire | MohammadAG51: anyway I already did so. But DocScrutinizer doesn't. Think I should trust everyone anyway. |
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| 05:00.19 | TermanaDesire | Everyone lied to me |
| 05:00.35 | RobbieThe1st | RST38h: Yea, an OTA update. In my case, I've got things screwed up enough I want to do a full flash -> restore routine |
| 05:01.14 | Corsac | ssu was really seamless for me |
| 05:01.38 | RST38h | don't get your things screwed up then. |
| 05:01.55 | TermanaDesire | RobbieThe1st: it would be a stupid move on nokias part to not release fiasco images |
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| 05:02.21 | RobbieThe1st | I thought they were released a bit later than the OTA update messages |
| 05:02.56 | RobbieThe1st | ...Anyway, it's now downloading, so all's well |
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| 05:15.13 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Ping |
| 05:15.38 | RST38h | Meanwhile: The folks at Chatroulette found a very clever solution for their money shortage and penis overload problems. They're now earning money by forwarding all their penises to Hustler's website |
| 05:17.46 | kerio | lol |
| 05:19.47 | Dhraakellian | okay... my n900 seems to think that it's still connected to USB and therefore will not reboot |
| 05:20.10 | Dhraakellian | short of draining the battâhmm... I could just pop the battery... that'd be quicker |
| 05:20.23 | RST38h | Captain Obvious says you can. |
| 05:20.45 | RST38h | Although it does not guarantee successful reboot, I am afraid |
| 05:20.54 | Dhraakellian | yarr |
| 05:21.10 | Dhraakellian | "fsck that" |
| 05:21.37 | RobbieThe1st | "sudo gainroot", "reboot" won't work>? |
| 05:22.17 | RST38h | sorry but have you tried holding the power key for >5 seconds? |
| 05:22.19 | Dhraakellian | ...that did the trick |
| 05:22.40 | Dhraakellian | these things that I for some reason didn't think of |
| 05:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | hooray tmo :-P |
| 05:23.19 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr: err, no new kernel ?? o.O https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 |
| 05:23.39 | Dhraakellian | slaps himself upside the head with a mackerel |
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| 05:24.46 | ham5 | pr 1.3! |
| 05:25.42 | Dassu | ...dude you're like a little late |
| 05:26.00 | ham5 | much talk about it in here? |
| 05:26.09 | Dassu | dunno why people even anticipate the FW updates |
| 05:26.13 | Dassu | ham5: naw |
| 05:26.19 | Dassu | doesn't even care |
| 05:26.47 | ham5 | what one u use? :) |
| 05:27.34 | Dassu | what do you mean? |
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| 05:27.46 | ham5 | what os do you use? |
| 05:28.15 | Dassu | 1.3 of course |
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| 05:37.11 | pupnik_ | someone needs to port zdf mediathek to maemo |
| 05:38.42 | DocScrutinizer | errrrm, quality isn't great but... |
| 05:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | what's to port there? |
| 05:39.26 | pupnik_ | mhm. well. anything to avoid those horrid websites |
| 05:39.32 | pupnik_ | i think it's java |
| 05:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | js |
| 05:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | compare nano.de/lifestream (or the like) - excellent |
| 05:41.00 | pupnik_ | http://zdfmediathk.sourceforge.net/index.html |
| 05:41.03 | pupnik_ | you know this DocScrutinizer ? |
| 05:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 05:42.37 | RobbieThe1st | pupnik_: If it needs Java, we've already got that - install "icedtea6" from the repo |
| 05:42.53 | RobbieThe1st | I think it's in extras-devel, but it may be extras-testing... |
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| 05:43.30 | TermanaDesire | Why would you do something nasty like that? |
| 05:43.34 | TermanaDesire | :p |
| 05:43.46 | RobbieThe1st | Install Java? One word: Runescape. |
| 05:44.18 | RobbieThe1st | It's literally the -only- thing I've ever found Java to be used for that's even slightly useful |
| 05:45.39 | SwedeMike | game is useful? |
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| 05:46.37 | RobbieThe1st | When you are bored? Yup. It also has a great use in promoting procrastination. |
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| 05:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | HOORAY tmo! >> The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later. << |
| 05:48.36 | RST38h | Wow |
| 05:48.40 | RobbieThe1st | ^^ |
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| 05:52.54 | TermanaDesire | Conspiracy theory time! |
| 05:56.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm just missing the 'we'll send a live rendered mediastream with fish for your entertainment, while you wait" |
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| 06:13.51 | budfive | ~pr1.3 |
| 06:13.52 | infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 06:16.02 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: Ping |
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| 06:16.32 | Stskeeps | andrewfblack: plon |
| 06:16.33 | Stskeeps | k |
| 06:16.46 | andrewfblack | plon thats a new one |
| 06:17.30 | frals | ZogG: its because lack of time |
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| 06:18.31 | andrewfblack | Stskeeps: I can't figure out why some themes set icon pack to the themes icon pack and some set it to default when I'm building them the same way |
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| 06:32.21 | |187| | i encountered that my n900 freezes my computer on usb connection (win7) every mornin i plug it in. happened onlly since pr 1.3 .. anybody else noticed such problem ? |
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| 07:12.30 | Khertan | Morning all ! |
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| 07:13.05 | X-Fade | Morning. |
| 07:13.06 | Khertan | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ <---- |
| 07:13.21 | Khertan | morning X-Fade |
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| 07:17.39 | ruskie | hmm anyone know if it'll be possible to boot meego of an ext{2,3,4} sd card with the new hack for multibooting? |
| 07:18.47 | Khertan | ruskie, there is a news with a video on Maemo.org ... so i ll say ... yes :) |
| 07:19.46 | ruskie | Khertan, well I only saw mention of a vfat sd boot card |
| 07:19.51 | ruskie | hence my confusion |
| 07:20.03 | Khertan | ruskie, i ven't test yet |
| 07:20.18 | Khertan | ruskie, i waiting the finish of 1.1 image download |
| 07:20.20 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:20.38 | ruskie | ahh you're planing on using ext for the sd card as well? |
| 07:21.23 | Khertan | i ll try |
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| 07:22.58 | pavelL | hi all |
| 07:23.17 | pavelL | has anybody encountered problems with aegis credp_kcheck |
| 07:23.37 | pavelL | have tried to installed some packages like min , mwts |
| 07:23.49 | pavelL | but getting always aegis error in syslog |
| 07:23.54 | Stskeeps | isn't this harmattan stuff? |
| 07:24.10 | pavelL | yes it is |
| 07:24.21 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure you're allowed to talk about that in public :) |
| 07:24.22 | X-Fade | pavelL: That is unreleased stuff. |
| 07:24.58 | pavelL | wanted to know if any other has experienced problems with aegis manifest |
| 07:25.01 | pavelL | ;) |
| 07:25.04 | pavelL | if no |
| 07:25.05 | pavelL | sorry |
| 07:25.10 | pavelL | will find my self |
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| 07:25.39 | X-Fade | Clearly lost ;) |
| 07:26.19 | Khertan | google answer me what is it :) |
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| 07:28.13 | Myrtti | meh |
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| 07:28.17 | Myrtti | should make coffee |
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| 07:31.02 | RST38h | moorning. |
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| 07:38.23 | peb_ | RST48H, morning .. |
| 07:38.31 | linuxcentos | back from vacation now, reading that Meego can be installed on N900, someone tested it? |
| 07:38.37 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, pign |
| 07:38.38 | crashanddie | ping |
| 07:38.52 | crashanddie | linuxcentos, source? |
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| 07:39.18 | linuxcentos | http://meego.com/community/blogs/harrihakulinen/2010/meego-calling-n900 |
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| 07:41.27 | crashanddie | linuxcentos, I don't read from that that you can install Meego on the n900, do you? |
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| 07:45.10 | Khertan | crashanddie, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ :) |
| 07:45.27 | Khertan | crashanddie, install on ext sd |
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| 07:45.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:47.03 | Khertan | Morning Jaffa |
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| 07:49.37 | jarkkom | Khertan, does that 1.1 image include all n900 integration stuff? |
| 07:51.09 | Khertan | jarkkom, don't know i'm still downloading it |
| 07:51.14 | mece | jarkkom, yes it does |
| 07:51.21 | Khertan | jarkkom, and didn't find yet the changelog |
| 07:51.46 | mece | jarkkom, well it contains all that was included before featurefreeze, which is not a lot ;) |
| 07:52.20 | ruskie | Khertan, well found my answer: http://forum.meego.com/showpost.php?p=11703&postcount=8 |
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| 07:52.26 | mece | the 1.2 branch is more interesting, but currently doesn't have a build that boots |
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| 07:55.12 | jarkkom | mece, but you can receive calls at least I hope? |
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| 08:14.58 | mece | jarkkom, yes you can. |
| 08:16.41 | defragger | is it possible to freeup roofs? |
| 08:16.55 | defragger | i only have 10MBl left :D |
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| 08:17.22 | marmoute | open the cell |
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| 08:17.32 | mece | defragger, how'd you manage that? |
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| 08:17.51 | defragger | dunno |
| 08:17.57 | chem|st | mece: had one here with 3.x MB /... |
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| 08:18.34 | chem|st | defragger: guess you need to uninstall some of the devel installs |
| 08:19.41 | defragger | kk, i tried already to free some space |
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| 08:19.51 | defragger | and 10MB is the result :D |
| 08:24.59 | jarkkom | mece, I guess it would need some additional binaries, that 1.1 image is just base UX stuff with placeholders |
| 08:26.29 | Stskeeps | placeholders? |
| 08:26.29 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:28.48 | marmoute | defragger: just find what takes that much places |
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| 08:36.39 | sivang | morning |
| 08:37.11 | sivang | not even single reply, but hey, maybe nobdoy here reads maemo-community... |
| 08:37.22 | sivang | or maybe,the day is still youn. |
| 08:37.25 | sivang | young. |
| 08:37.30 | sivang | bbl |
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| 08:57.28 | Jaffa | sivang: I read it (well, skimmed it) - and it sounds interesting, but I couldn't quite tie up your mail, what it was you wanted and the abstract. |
| 08:57.36 | Jaffa | sivang: But I do have a drug-addled mind at the moment. |
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| 09:29.03 | aboyer | ~pr1.3 |
| 09:29.03 | infobot | somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 09:36.47 | Shapeshifter | I'm trying to run asphalt 5 on the n900 and I see that I'd need to create a symlink, but if I do ls -s /home/user/webos/gamesave/ /media/internal I get an error: ls: /media/internal: No such file or directory |
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| 09:45.05 | Shapeshifter | well strange |
| 09:45.09 | Shapeshifter | now it worked, so nvm |
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| 10:10.42 | defragger | is it possible to dualboot meego and maemo? |
| 10:11.10 | RobbieThe1st | More than likely |
| 10:12.44 | defragger | any good howto about that? |
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| 10:14.57 | X-Fade | defragger: You could ask google, pretty sure the first hit is what you need. |
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| 10:16.17 | defragger | thought any experience about that :) |
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| 10:18.18 | lcuk | defragger, dual booting *prototype* instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch |
| 10:18.56 | lcuk | not yet user friendly and if you notice any sticking points, please discuss in #meego-arm with stephg and Stskeeps and some of the other guys looking at it |
| 10:19.21 | defragger | ok thx :) |
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| 10:22.06 | timeless_mbp | crashanddie: so, it turns out i had an eToken Pro 4254 usb pki module from an rsa conf |
| 10:22.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is there all ready an application to automatically switch the default phonecall network when connected with a certain wifi access point? |
| 10:23.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | or do have to hack something together with dbus? |
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| 10:35.02 | ShadowJK | ah great, over 2 weeks at nokia care, and they failed to fix my N900 :/ |
| 10:35.28 | ShadowJK | and just returned it with an ovi advertisement sticker on the display |
| 10:35.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | what happend to it? |
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| 10:35.45 | ShadowJK | the cellular modem is loose or something |
| 10:35.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | I mean, why did you send it to nokia in the first place |
| 10:35.51 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh |
| 10:35.59 | ShadowJK | the modem crashes when I put phone in pocket, or walk |
| 10:36.25 | Dassu | ... |
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| 10:38.25 | Myrtti | *grumpgrump* |
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| 10:47.26 | lcuk | Myrtti, coffee to ungrump? |
| 10:48.07 | Myrtti | lcuk: tried it, doesn't work |
| 10:48.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | try more |
| 10:48.32 | Myrtti | I've decided to go take the phone fixed today, I guess it has an effect on the grumpiness |
| 10:48.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | if that doesn't help chew some coca leafs |
| 10:49.29 | Myrtti | would kaffir limeleaves work? |
| 10:49.33 | Myrtti | I have those |
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| 10:50.33 | ieatlint | try some kaffir lime vodka instead |
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| 10:51.18 | KaffeeJunky123 | this ^ |
| 10:51.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | should work as well |
| 10:51.34 | Myrtti | I've tried brandy, cider and wine since the phone broke without success |
| 10:51.42 | Myrtti | so I doubt it would work, tbh |
| 10:52.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://xkcd.com/323/ |
| 10:52.09 | ieatlint | you haven't tried whiskey, beer or vodka... your tests are inconclusive |
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| 10:52.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | should work on phone fixing skills the same way |
| 10:52.30 | ieatlint | KaffeeJunky123: it's real |
| 10:52.32 | ieatlint | i've seen it |
| 10:52.40 | ieatlint | and experienced it |
| 10:53.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeah |
| 10:53.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's in unexpected local maximum |
| 10:53.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | *an |
| 10:53.16 | SpeedEvil | knows too much xkcd. |
| 10:53.27 | SpeedEvil | I assume that's the 'ballmer peak' one? |
| 10:53.41 | ieatlint | indeed |
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| 10:54.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://xkcd.com/292/ is still my favourite though |
| 10:54.53 | ieatlint | knuth would disagree :P |
| 10:55.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's for C++ programmers only |
| 10:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: :-/ |
| 10:55.32 | ieatlint | http://xkcd.com/612/ is an awesome one |
| 10:55.48 | RobbieThe1st | ...Wow. It worked! I deleted everything from the OptFS, then flashed PR1.3, and it booted |
| 10:55.51 | SpeedEvil | I like 123 |
| 10:55.59 | SpeedEvil | It's awesome on so many levels. |
| 10:56.01 | RobbieThe1st | Apparently, all needed files are in the rootfs image |
| 10:56.43 | ieatlint | :P |
| 10:57.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | I can take on calls at home with my n900 |
| 10:57.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | I mean from my normal phone line |
| 10:57.18 | ieatlint | people still don't believe me when i try to convince them that centrifugal force is what keeps a bicycle vertical :( |
| 10:57.22 | Myrtti | 322 is my fave, for obvious reasons |
| 10:57.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | fritz box + n900 = epic win |
| 10:57.29 | ieatlint | "no, it's because of the forward momentum" |
| 10:58.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | ieatlint: what sort of people? |
| 10:58.11 | ieatlint | geeks even |
| 10:58.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | sounds like engineers to me |
| 10:58.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | :> |
| 11:01.30 | SpeedEvil | I thought it was gyroscopic precession of the wheel. |
| 11:01.39 | toggles | when stationary? |
| 11:01.44 | SpeedEvil | How is centrifugal force involved? |
| 11:02.25 | ieatlint | same difference :P |
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| 11:03.55 | mgedmin | Myrtti++ |
| 11:04.07 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: :-D |
| 11:04.47 | mgedmin | likes that xkcd skipped comic 404 |
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| 11:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | 705 and 424 here. And recently 806 |
| 11:07.56 | mgedmin | wonders if supybot has an xkcd plugin |
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| 11:08.55 | DocScrutinizer | ascii art? |
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| 11:09.47 | sx0n | heh:) |
| 11:10.02 | mgedmin | actually, an irc client that would show images inline would be even better |
| 11:10.37 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: that just brought back bad memories of tech support |
| 11:10.42 | lcuk | mgedmin, :) |
| 11:10.43 | ieatlint | on both sides of the phone :( |
| 11:11.32 | lcuk | mgedmin, http://liqbase.net/liq.20091201_141600._maemo.scr.png |
| 11:12.06 | mgedmin | ooh |
| 11:12.15 | ieatlint | lcuk: that can horribly backfire on you when i paste a link to goatse.png |
| 11:12.36 | BCMM | i remember seeing a nice gallery of photographs taken using fcam (i can't remember if it was on the n900 or not), but i can't find it now |
| 11:12.44 | BCMM | anyone got it bookmarked or something? |
| 11:12.54 | lcuk | ieatlint, bah |
| 11:13.17 | lcuk | mgedmin, i think it should be in conversations view etc, for mmses and stuff as well |
| 11:13.26 | lcuk | basically, intelligent parsing of the data |
| 11:14.09 | mgedmin | and intelligent filtering of goatses out |
| 11:14.46 | lcuk | mgedmin, can count on number of fingers how often bad links have been posted in the private communications i have |
| 11:14.57 | lcuk | same for public chans also |
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| 11:15.02 | lcuk | glares @ kerio |
| 11:15.08 | mgedmin | once is too often |
| 11:15.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | after I reflashed, there was music on my n900 |
| 11:15.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | is that normal? |
| 11:15.31 | lcuk | sure, but thats down to individuals who should know better |
| 11:17.22 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: yeah, it comes with a few tracks |
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| 11:19.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: creepy |
| 11:20.45 | mgedmin | oO? |
| 11:20.55 | BCMM | KaffeeJunky123: didn't you have them when the device was new? |
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| 11:21.25 | KaffeeJunky123 | BCMM: I've bought a used one |
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| 11:21.40 | BCMM | and you didn't immediately reflash? |
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| 11:22.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | I did |
| 11:22.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | immediatly after making sure the device worked |
| 11:25.37 | mgedmin | is surprised the previous owner didn't reflash before selling |
| 11:26.53 | ieatlint | i'd theorise that the guy who sells his n900 isn't as technically minded as you might hope.. that is, enough to think to reflash and do it |
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| 11:27.53 | SpeedEvil | Also, they may have installed backdoors. |
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| 11:28.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | ieatlint: well, a midnight commander was installed |
| 11:28.49 | ieatlint | i sold an n900 to the mozilla foundation... i should've installed a backdoor |
| 11:28.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | ieatlint: and an xterm shortcut was on the main desktop :> |
| 11:29.12 | ieatlint | KaffeeJunky123: mc... exactly! :P |
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| 11:30.23 | Myrtti | when I bought my N800, it wasn't reflashed and the 4GB memory card was filled with Ministry of Sound and David Bowie, which I didn't mind |
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| 11:35.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | my n900 does detect networks I can't see with my computers wireless ^^ |
| 11:35.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess the driver for my wireless device sucks |
| 11:35.48 | ieatlint | are they 802.11n networks? :P |
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| 11:37.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | ieatlint: I didn't take a look at them |
| 11:37.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | even though one is onle wep encrypted <_< |
| 11:37.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | could crack that with aircrack in about 2minutes |
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| 11:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: wasn't there some html exploit sending IRC spam with the link to the exploited page? |
| 11:40.48 | lcuk | ? |
| 11:40.50 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: yes |
| 11:40.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh crap |
| 11:41.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | I accidently locked the phone |
| 11:41.06 | KaffeeJunky123 | and I didn't set a lock code yet |
| 11:41.07 | DocScrutinizer | back in pre-ircd7 days |
| 11:41.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | o_O |
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| 11:41.15 | crashanddie | shortcut fai |
| 11:41.16 | crashanddie | l |
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| 11:41.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | what should I do now? |
| 11:41.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there a default lock code? |
| 11:41.39 | mgedmin | KaffeeJunky123, try the default, which is 12345 |
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| 11:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | I remember me posting "DO NOT CLICK THAT LINK!" here in this chan |
| 11:42.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | mgedmin: it says wrong code |
| 11:42.18 | mgedmin | uh oh |
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| 11:42.28 | Jenna | hi guyz. |
| 11:42.35 | mgedmin | contact the previous owner, ask for the lock code? |
| 11:42.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | I reflashed it |
| 11:42.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | shouldn't it be resett? |
| 11:42.48 | Myrtti | no |
| 11:42.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | flashed rootfs and eMMc |
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| 11:43.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | new sim |
| 11:43.05 | mgedmin | it might be possible to reset it somehow, I think |
| 11:43.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | etc |
| 11:43.13 | Jenna | just wanted to know whats the difference with the different firmware versions . i.e region. What could go wrong if I update to say an european or African version ? |
| 11:43.14 | DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: 12345 |
| 11:43.17 | mgedmin | sim's pin != device lock code |
| 11:43.29 | DocScrutinizer | oh, mgedmin said that |
| 11:43.48 | mgedmin | the lock code is stored somewhere in a partition (?) that's not touched by the flasher |
| 11:43.50 | Myrtti | atleast on N800 had to do some detective work to find out the lock code |
| 11:44.08 | DocScrutinizer | also resetting lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 11:44.12 | mgedmin | at least you can reboot it without having to enter the code |
| 11:44.24 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: in CAL |
| 11:44.35 | DocScrutinizer | which actually is a NAND partition |
| 11:44.36 | Termana | ~lockcode |
| 11:44.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | i'll try rebooting |
| 11:44.47 | Termana | infobot, lockcode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522 |
| 11:44.48 | infobot | okay, Termana |
| 11:44.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | seems to work |
| 11:45.02 | Myrtti | you still need the old lock code to get rid of it |
| 11:45.08 | Myrtti | IIRC |
| 11:45.19 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: nope, just john the ripper |
| 11:45.49 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer++ |
| 11:45.51 | mgedmin | Termana++ |
| 11:47.22 | ieatlint | you can install ssh without knowing the lockcode? awesome... :P |
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| 11:48.20 | DocScrutinizer | umm, you need to have it configured prior to forgetting your lockcode :-P |
| 11:48.33 | mgedmin | well, if you don't configure it to ask for the lock code on boot, you can do anything you want |
| 11:48.46 | ieatlint | fair enough, hehe |
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| 11:49.03 | ieatlint | can you reflash without knowing the lockcode? |
| 11:49.16 | DocScrutinizer | or you overwrite CAL with defaults (default "hash" for lockcode also is '12345' XP ) |
| 11:49.26 | Termana | ieatlint, yes |
| 11:49.40 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: yes, but usually a reflash doesn't reset lockcode |
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| 11:50.02 | Termana | So technically you can load up a recovery console or other OS and then do what DocScrutinizer just said |
| 11:50.05 | ieatlint | yeah, but it could then be used to install an sshd even with it set to ask for lock code on boot |
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| 11:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | exactly ieatlint Termana |
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| 11:51.13 | ieatlint | ultimately, the lock code is useless to someone with motivation and technical skill (although i guess it could protect info stored on the device, as you'd overwrite the emmc) |
| 11:51.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | can I get john to use a second job, so it fully exploits my dual core? |
| 11:51.39 | KaffeeJunky123 | oh |
| 11:51.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | nvm |
| 11:51.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | it finished |
| 11:51.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | ^_^ |
| 11:51.46 | ieatlint | :P |
| 11:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 11:52.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | guesses: 1 time: 0:00:01:28 c/s: 1151K trying: 88763577 - 88763561 |
| 11:54.18 | DocScrutinizer | a funny not quite obvious (at least to me) detail of john: all results are stored in a file, and so trying same hash again won't give any "new" results |
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| 11:55.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm amazed at how fast john cracked that key |
| 11:55.14 | KaffeeJunky123 | even though it only used one core of my cpu |
| 11:55.14 | DocScrutinizer | I was like "#!!@%& why doesn't it work anymore??" |
| 11:55.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | does john come with cuda by default now? |
| 11:55.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | maybe |
| 11:55.53 | KaffeeJunky123 | because it was so fast |
| 11:57.30 | ieatlint | well, think about the code |
| 11:57.39 | ieatlint | numeric, so each char is 0-9 |
| 11:57.54 | ieatlint | so brute force is easy as hell |
| 11:57.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's still 8^10 |
| 11:57.59 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 11:58.14 | DocScrutinizer | more like 10^5 |
| 11:58.28 | ieatlint | 1151k keys per second |
| 11:58.33 | ieatlint | you'll break that in no time.. |
| 11:58.47 | KaffeeJunky123 | true true |
| 11:59.03 | KaffeeJunky123 | and the new identiy card in germany is secured with a 6 number pin ._. |
| 11:59.17 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:59.18 | ieatlint | bear in mind 1151k == 1.151 million keys per second |
| 11:59.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's using a freakin' RFID |
| 11:59.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | imagine a guy with a laptop and an RFID reader |
| 11:59.40 | ieatlint | ah, but have you ever tried to brute force rfid? |
| 11:59.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | + john |
| 11:59.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | nope |
| 11:59.50 | ieatlint | has |
| 12:00.05 | KaffeeJunky123 | so it's slow? |
| 12:00.06 | ieatlint | your throughput allows you to do maybe 10 keys per second |
| 12:00.13 | ieatlint | so good luck with that :P |
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| 12:01.27 | KaffeeJunky123 | well |
| 12:01.28 | X-Fade | ieatlint: Only 28 hours then. |
| 12:01.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | yeah |
| 12:01.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | still too much if you lost that thing |
| 12:01.48 | ieatlint | X-Fade: then i'm guessing there's more to it than that, or you guys are fucked :P |
| 12:02.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | yes there is |
| 12:02.07 | KaffeeJunky123 | you need a special key as well |
| 12:02.07 | X-Fade | Well, you need to know the key too. |
| 12:02.18 | DocScrutinizer | also this "PIN" is really just that, a somewhat personalized OK button. The "security" is in possessing the ID card, and the authentication via internet is much better than the PIN OK |
| 12:02.24 | X-Fade | Which consists of MRZ data. |
| 12:02.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | but you could probably rip that from a reading device |
| 12:02.37 | X-Fade | Or rather, gets generated from. |
| 12:03.22 | ieatlint | heh, people freaked out enough here about the rfid passports |
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| 12:03.59 | ieatlint | trying to issue an rfid id card would be like suggesting a suspension of habeas corpus |
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| 12:04.11 | ieatlint | only this time, without george bush and the patriot act |
| 12:04.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | so you're from the us of the a |
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| 12:05.19 | ieatlint | indeed |
| 12:05.38 | ieatlint | it's ok, i'm from the less annoying part, california |
| 12:05.50 | Myrtti | depends on where in california |
| 12:05.57 | ieatlint | sf :P |
| 12:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if there's a lock on too many false PIN entries in those ID cards - like with SIMs |
| 12:06.24 | Myrtti | ieatlint: congrats, you get a rainbow and unicorn sticker |
| 12:06.49 | ieatlint | indeed... them unicorns have really made a comeback recently |
| 12:06.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: probably not |
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| 12:09.02 | DocScrutinizer | last time crashanddie and me discussed this very topic, we agreed on it'd be *way* better to have the keypad to enter pin on the ID card. It's so easy |
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| 12:09.28 | mgedmin | and your fingerpints would nicely let people know which digits you actually use |
| 12:09.33 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what's up? |
| 12:09.41 | nid0 | except with use, on a card like that, it'd start becoming blatantly obvious which buttons you press |
| 12:10.02 | ieatlint | mgedmin: eh, inconclusive, as unlike a pinpad, you'd touch the card all over while handling it |
| 12:10.12 | lcuk | mm DocScrutinizer ? just dc'ed |
| 12:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 12:12.08 | ieatlint | there's a company that just started an awesome product to update credit cards... it erases the magstripe on the card after a timeout, and to rewrite it, you have to enter a pin on the card |
| 12:12.29 | ieatlint | let me see if i can find the link for it... but if they can do it, i don't see why an id card can't :P |
| 12:12.47 | nid0 | visa demoed one of those cards a while back with a pin pad on the back, but theyre just little plastic clicky buttons, the ones you actually use would wear down really obviously |
| 12:13.00 | Myrtti | wonders what good it makes to deactivate the magstripe when you can just type in the numbers on any webshop... |
| 12:13.24 | ieatlint | nid0: eh... i suspect it's possible to find workarounds for that issue |
| 12:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | (card) I just say goldcap, e-ink display for "random" keypad orientation and position, and a 40*40 piezo input touchpad |
| 12:14.06 | ieatlint | that sounds cheap :P |
| 12:14.12 | ieatlint | especially with e-inks licencing fees |
| 12:14.27 | Jaffa | Ha |
| 12:14.38 | Jaffa | meego-dev has just confirmed the name of the Harmattan device :-) |
| 12:14.41 | ieatlint | also, rfid has the undeniable feature that it has no battery |
| 12:14.53 | SpeedEvil | unless it does. |
| 12:14.54 | sjk | I've got a silly question: Why are people using Maemo phones and not MeeGo phones? |
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| 12:15.04 | SpeedEvil | Many sorts of RFID have battery. |
| 12:15.05 | maybeWTF | because there are no meego phones |
| 12:15.09 | SpeedEvil | sjk: becasue there are ... |
| 12:15.11 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 12:15.30 | Jaffa | Anyone know what a "tele coil" is? |
| 12:15.33 | sjk | So MeeGo only exists in the laboratory so far? :) |
| 12:15.33 | Jaffa | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/006884.html |
| 12:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ???? |
| 12:15.35 | ieatlint | there's not even a released meego handset ux :P |
| 12:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 12:15.59 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: "qtn_sett_main_about About my N9 (Warranty, About product)" |
| 12:16.09 | Myrtti | pokes a flag of FAIL on the cake |
| 12:16.11 | crashanddie | mgedmin, nid0: you have "ears" around the keypad so people wouldn't look which code you press, the same can be imagined where you insert your hand and card |
| 12:16.18 | maybeWTF | btw, am i a bad person if pr1.3 & that webos preenv thing made me love my n900 even more? |
| 12:16.26 | X-Fade | Jaffa: Hehe, you noticed it too :) |
| 12:16.28 | SpeedEvil | As far as 'in the laboratory' at the moment, they're at the leyden jar, jacobs ladder, and brain dug up from a cemetry stagr. |
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| 12:16.41 | Jaffa | X-Fade: :-) |
| 12:16.43 | maybeWTF | abby normal? |
| 12:16.54 | ieatlint | maybeWTF: yes. |
| 12:16.56 | Stskeeps | ieatlint: uhm.. we have handset ux |
| 12:17.14 | ieatlint | Stskeeps: you have an alpha preview release |
| 12:17.15 | Termana | Jaffa, we already knew it was N9 anyway :p |
| 12:17.19 | ieatlint | talk to me when 1.1 hits :P |
| 12:17.27 | mece | Jaffa: good one :D (tweet) |
| 12:17.36 | Termana | ieatlint, 1.1 has hit |
| 12:17.43 | SpeedEvil | I wonder how much effort it would take to make a 'proper' webos compatibility layer ffor game devs and stuff to just say 'OK' and be able to run it. |
| 12:17.44 | ieatlint | oh. :) |
| 12:17.46 | mece | ieatlint, talking... |
| 12:17.53 | ieatlint | apparently i missed the news |
| 12:17.58 | ieatlint | knew it was pending, heh |
| 12:18.11 | Termana | SpeedEvil, what's "not proper" about preenv? |
| 12:18.13 | mece | well it was due 27.10, and it's now 28.10, so it's out. |
| 12:18.24 | sjk | Hrm, but the N900 seems to support MeeGo as well? |
| 12:18.27 | nid0 | SpeedEvil: half the problem is that a "proper" compatibility layer would also have to ship with a multitouch screen to bolt onto the device |
| 12:18.31 | Termana | sjk, yes |
| 12:18.34 | ieatlint | glad to see meego.com is not updated :P |
| 12:18.41 | maybeWTF | works well enough for racing games :P |
| 12:18.47 | maybeWTF | also, xplane |
| 12:18.50 | nid0 | being as loads of the software preenv can run fine simply doesnt work properly because it needs multitouch |
| 12:19.04 | pupnik_ | you mean from that huge webOS games catalog...? |
| 12:19.10 | sjk | Why doesn't people use MeeGo on the N900 then? |
| 12:19.12 | Termana | ieatlint, well honestly, I'm not sure whether it has made an official release yet, but the 1.1 trunk has been locked |
| 12:19.19 | Termana | sjk, it's not fully ready yet |
| 12:19.25 | maybeWTF | pupnik_: well it basically what? tripled? the commercial game "catalog" overnight |
| 12:19.29 | maybeWTF | for the n900 |
| 12:19.37 | Myrtti | sjk: with varying values for "support" |
| 12:19.42 | ieatlint | Termana: awesome... |
| 12:19.43 | Termana | ieatlint, so, basically the latest daily for the n900 would be 1.1 anyway |
| 12:19.50 | mece | now we need to build a palm pre faker browser that can download the games from palm catalog |
| 12:20.18 | maybeWTF | next step: install webos on the n900! |
| 12:20.21 | maybeWTF | runs away |
| 12:20.25 | mece | get the cash where it's due, and enable people (and by people I mean me) to get at the games. |
| 12:20.40 | Termana | mece, if the Pre just does it through a browser, we could do a user agent change |
| 12:20.53 | Termana | That would be simple |
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| 12:21.10 | ieatlint | i'll look forward to when the u-boot update package hits extras-devel... don't feel like fucking up my main phone to try and get meego on it in the meantime |
| 12:21.14 | Termana | But, also the Pre will only let you purchase things in certain countries. So :p |
| 12:21.15 | loufoque_ | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:21.15 | infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 12:21.20 | mece | Termana, who has a pre? |
| 12:21.23 | mece | anyone? |
| 12:21.34 | Termana | mece, alterego's girlfriend |
| 12:21.35 | loufoque_ | no OTA for PR1.3 yet? |
| 12:21.42 | mece | can you install pre catalog stuff from browser? |
| 12:21.53 | mgedmin | loufoque_, it was out days ago, unless you're talking about the UK variant |
| 12:21.56 | mece | loufoque_, wot? I ota'd mine this monday. |
| 12:21.57 | Termana | mece, I don't know, I was asking you because I thought you knew |
| 12:22.02 | nid0 | loufoque_: yes, days ago, unless you're unlucky enough to be on uk firmware |
| 12:22.06 | mece | Termana, just being hopeful. |
| 12:22.19 | mece | nid0, still no uk firmware??? |
| 12:22.22 | loufoque_ | i'm on uk firmware |
| 12:22.35 | loufoque_ | I should have flashed to general firmware |
| 12:22.43 | ieatlint | nokia hates the brits |
| 12:22.48 | ieatlint | i think it's because of wales.. |
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| 12:22.57 | nid0 | mece dont think so - I reflashed mine straight to global at the first 1.1 fiasco and havent ever gone back, but I know several people at least yesterday were mentioning there wasnt one yet |
| 12:22.57 | mece | well they loved brits at the pr1.2 release. |
| 12:23.05 | loufoque_ | do I loose all PIM info when flashing? |
| 12:23.19 | mece | loufoque_, I believe a backup helps. |
| 12:23.22 | Termana | loufoque_, unless you backup and restore after |
| 12:23.27 | Termana | (data) |
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| 12:23.55 | mece | the maemo twitter widget got updated today btw. works now. |
| 12:23.58 | loufoque_ | Termana: is there a way to backup just the PIM stuff? I don't want to restore all my apps etc., I'd rather have a fresh satart |
| 12:24.08 | sx0n | ieatlint, who could ever hate monty pythons ;) |
| 12:24.17 | nid0 | untick the "applications" box when taking the backup |
| 12:24.51 | mece | loufoque_, try the backup program. you can choose what to backup. Also you can ignore stuff from the app list backup if you wish, after flash. |
| 12:25.02 | DocScrutinizer | wonders idly if "reset to factory defaults" in settings will also reset lock-code in CAL |
| 12:25.15 | mece | loufoque_, so it's nice that you back them up and then just uncheck the stuff you don't want. |
| 12:25.23 | Jaffa | Termana: We "knew" it was the N9, but I don't remember seeing it referred to - directly - as such by a Nokian. |
| 12:25.34 | DocScrutinizer | I suppose settings is a closed app? |
| 12:25.36 | loufoque_ | isn't the N9 symbian^3? |
| 12:25.40 | mece | no. meego |
| 12:25.44 | Jaffa | loufoque_: That's N8 |
| 12:25.44 | ieatlint | sx0n: yeah, well, scotland's not exactly helping |
| 12:25.58 | mece | ieatlint, or brum... |
| 12:26.06 | ieatlint | :P |
| 12:26.15 | mece | (I have no idea if there's anything wrong with brum, it's just a funny name) |
| 12:27.24 | Myrtti | Jaffa: well, technically not Nokian |
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| 12:28.09 | DocScrutinizer | err? Juhasz Gabor ext-gabor.2.juhasz at nokia.com |
| 12:28.22 | Myrtti | DocScrutinizer: magic keyword: "ext-" |
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| 12:28.29 | DocScrutinizer | heh |
| 12:29.03 | Jaffa | Hmm. Just noticed in the former mail: To: "harmattan-changes@projects.maemo.org" |
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| 12:29.22 | DocScrutinizer | well, knowing about the name is so... moot |
| 12:29.37 | pigeon | hmm, i keep getting ext2 errors from a loop back fs file that i have repeatedly created fresh on ~/MyDocs/ |
| 12:30.39 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
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| 12:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | pigeon: this suggests what? |
| 12:31.50 | pigeon | it's weird, a 256MB fs seems fine, 512 or large usually breaks |
| 12:33.55 | DocScrutinizer | well, loopback on vfat isn't exactly trivial. Maemo doesn't help either |
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| 12:34.55 | N900_athens | hello ! anybody from greece with n900. |
| 12:35.12 | DocScrutinizer | I'd suggest you try same config on SD card |
| 12:35.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | nope they don't have the money to afford one in greece |
| 12:35.31 | pigeon | something funny with the internal flash you reckon? |
| 12:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | there've been few reports of general bad blocks on eMMC - probably bad chips or soldering |
| 12:36.17 | N900_athens | hello ! anybody from greece with n900? |
| 12:36.20 | pigeon | ok |
| 12:36.29 | pigeon | thanks |
| 12:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | but that should show up on all IO to eMMC |
| 12:37.03 | loufoque_ | can someone point me to the pr1.3 changes? |
| 12:37.26 | N900_athens | what about the maemo 1.3 in greece? |
| 12:37.31 | DocScrutinizer | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 |
| 12:37.36 | DocScrutinizer | loufoque_: ^^^ |
| 12:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | kernel only |
| 12:38.21 | loufoque_ | DocScrutinizer: how about something more accessible? |
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| 12:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 12:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:38.47 | infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 12:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | first link, if that meets your taste better |
| 12:39.55 | loufoque_ | it just says it runs faster and smoother than before |
| 12:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | I know what it says |
| 12:40.28 | loufoque_ | that's not much info |
| 12:40.42 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 12:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | but easily accessible |
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| 12:43.33 | felipec | has anyone had problems with the system hanging completely with PR1.3? |
| 12:44.13 | MohammadAG51 | nope, not here at least |
| 12:46.11 | N900_athens | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:00.09 | DocScrutinizer | feeds Nokia with cherries until they suffocate from the stones |
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| 13:01.13 | DocScrutinizer | this is Not My Nokia :-/ |
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| 13:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if a kernel patch like "kill each process that tries to read a file with pathname /home/user/.cherry_state" would go upstream |
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| 13:05.16 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I doubt it |
| 13:05.16 | loufoque_ | DocScrutinizer: why should that be in the kernel |
| 13:05.51 | DocScrutinizer | because when it's in kernel mainstream, Nokia had a hard time kicking it out again |
| 13:06.00 | DocScrutinizer | just silly daydreaming |
| 13:06.00 | MohammadAG51 | ponders on how to create custom rootfss |
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| 13:06.17 | MohammadAG51 | technically |
| 13:06.23 | MohammadAG51 | we can have PR1.4 |
| 13:06.30 | MohammadAG51 | a coomunity one at least |
| 13:06.41 | MohammadAG51 | first thing to go would be cherry |
| 13:06.49 | N900_athens | hello! |
| 13:06.54 | mgedmin | what's cherry? |
| 13:06.57 | MohammadAG51 | UK user? |
| 13:06.59 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: Just greate a jffs2 partion and put files in it? |
| 13:07.03 | MohammadAG51 | MyNokia=cherry |
| 13:07.06 | MohammadAG51 | jffs2? |
| 13:07.11 | N900_athens | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:07.12 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 13:07.12 | MohammadAG51 | The N900 uses ubifs |
| 13:07.13 | mgedmin | what's mynokia? |
| 13:07.22 | X-Fade | Or ubi, whaever. |
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| 13:07.38 | MohammadAG51 | Stskeeps, had a way I think :P |
| 13:07.45 | chem|st | mgedmin: it is something like an sms subscription |
| 13:07.55 | MohammadAG51 | that doesn't work :P |
| 13:07.59 | MohammadAG51 | at least in IL |
| 13:08.01 | mgedmin | why haven't I ever seen this after upgrading to PR1.2? |
| 13:08.06 | MohammadAG51 | yet it always says subscribed |
| 13:08.09 | mgedmin | is that a country-specific-firmware thing? |
| 13:08.19 | MohammadAG51 | mgedmin, have you ever seen your bill post 1.2? |
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| 13:08.34 | mgedmin | yes, I get my bill SMSed to me every month |
| 13:08.34 | X-Fade | I didn't get an sms telling me there was an update. |
| 13:08.46 | MohammadAG51 | i never do |
| 13:08.48 | mgedmin | I haven't seen any SMSes mentioning MyNokia |
| 13:08.52 | MohammadAG51 | yet it says subscibed |
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| 13:08.58 | chem|st | mgedmin: it is global I think... for countries without shortnumber it sends directly to finlandia |
| 13:09.11 | chem|st | mgedmin: it doesnt mention anything |
| 13:09.23 | chem|st | mgedmin: it sends one |
| 13:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | the SMS is hidden |
| 13:09.36 | mgedmin | I remember the outcry for some kind of "do you want to subscribe" dialog without a "no" button |
| 13:09.39 | mgedmin | I've never seen that dialog |
| 13:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | means doesn't show up in conversations |
| 13:10.00 | MohammadAG51 | uses dbus |
| 13:10.01 | X-Fade | mgedmin: Change simcard and see it in action. |
| 13:10.04 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: not realy... an empty msg window should popup with the number on top (at least it did at mine) |
| 13:10.22 | Termana | MohammadAG51, you can create a flashable image for the N900 |
| 13:10.24 | MohammadAG51 | chem|st, none here |
| 13:10.34 | X-Fade | mgedmin: It only runs when the fresh device/location selection is running. |
| 13:10.34 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, duh, MeeGo does it, how? :P |
| 13:10.36 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: yeah it is not shown in conversations |
| 13:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | let's all send 500g cherries to Nokia Finland! :-P |
| 13:10.47 | Myrtti | Jaffa: karma bites you in the ass for using Outlook |
| 13:10.50 | mgedmin | X-Fade, thanks for the info |
| 13:11.15 | Termana | MohammadAG51, MeeGo doesn't flash the N900's rootfs :p And hold your horses I'm getting you the instructions |
| 13:11.18 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: why not order 500tonns on behalf of nokia |
| 13:11.23 | DocScrutinizer | alternatively 1L cherry juice or a glas of cherry jam |
| 13:11.35 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: also a nice idea |
| 13:11.41 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, hmm, I think it did |
| 13:11.45 | Myrtti | I wouldn't mind getting some myself. Cherries are a bit rare sight in most of the stores in Finland |
| 13:11.46 | MohammadAG51 | i might be wrong |
| 13:11.50 | chem|st | they would sue me but ok... |
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| 13:12.00 | Termana | MohammadAG51, you are wrong |
| 13:12.13 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, hmm, sure? |
| 13:12.24 | Termana | MohammadAG51, you can flash a u-boot + maemo kernel, but that is optional |
| 13:12.32 | Jaffa | Myrtti: Work standard :-( |
| 13:12.33 | Termana | and it doesn't touch the rootfs |
| 13:12.37 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, i said old |
| 13:12.49 | MohammadAG51 | uboot wasn't even there |
| 13:13.12 | Termana | MohammadAG51, wtf are you talking about. Firstly, MeeGo never did it. Secondly, you never said old either |
| 13:13.21 | Termana | MohammadAG51, here's the instructions: http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/01/making-flashable-rootfss-for-n900.html |
| 13:13.22 | chem|st | well and all the kexec warm wind is nothing but warm wind yet |
| 13:13.44 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, <Stskeeps> we used to |
| 13:14.05 | MohammadAG51 | Termana, MeeGo 1.0 did, when it didn't have a UI |
| 13:14.34 | Termana | MohammadAG51, fine, the first bit is invalidated but you still never said old |
| 13:14.50 | MohammadAG51 | <MohammadAG51> Termana, hmm, I think it did |
| 13:14.55 | MohammadAG51 | did = past tense :P |
| 13:15.08 | DocScrutinizer | kicks of the "Nokia needs cherries, community helps" movement |
| 13:15.18 | Termana | MohammadAG51, sneaky :p |
| 13:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ^^^ a small blog on that topic? |
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| 13:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | off even |
| 13:16.00 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, are we sending some cherries in the mail to Nokia workers? |
| 13:16.01 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, my current plans for the SSU are to kill the metapackage |
| 13:16.30 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, dpkg -r cherry after that |
| 13:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: or cherry juice, chewing gums, cherry stone cushions... whatever |
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| 13:17.19 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia gives us cherry, we return to sender :-P |
| 13:17.27 | MohammadAG51 | but, you will need 1.3 for the SSU |
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| 13:17.55 | MohammadAG51 | i'll also add the pulseaudio patch, apparently it was meant for the 1.2 kernel |
| 13:18.06 | MohammadAG51 | 1.3* |
| 13:18.27 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: what would be the right geographical address to send those cherry products? |
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| 13:18.56 | MohammadAG51 | 1 infinite loop |
| 13:19.26 | Termana | MohammadAG51, I don't think we need to let Apple know of Nokia's stupidity in this situation |
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| 13:19.33 | Termana | (the cherry situation) |
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| 13:20.57 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, back to cards on which you punch your PIN: People saying they could find which buttons you press the most; there are already cards which have displays included in them. I can already see the keypad where the values of the keys change every single time. |
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| 13:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: I didn't expect they grant me a patent on this :-) |
| 13:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | welcome back netsplitters |
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| 13:22.34 | lcukn900 | lost all home internet |
| 13:22.50 | crashanddie | lcukn900, and you're saying this how? |
| 13:23.06 | lcukn900 | mobile 3g on n900 |
| 13:23.12 | DocScrutinizer | @council: could you find out the correct Nokia address to send cherry products to preferably the responsible dudes? |
| 13:23.17 | crashanddie | so there still is internet in your home :D |
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| 13:23.34 | DocScrutinizer | lcukn900: javispedro is on a visit at yours? |
| 13:23.42 | lcukn900 | not to the servers/connections/computers i need |
| 13:24.02 | javispedro | is where? |
| 13:24.15 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-28 15:21:09] [Notify] javispedro ist online (kornbluth.freenode.net). |
| 13:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-28 15:21:09] [Notify] lcukn900 ist online (kornbluth.freenode.net). |
| 13:24.30 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: do you think it would be possible to simulate multitouch in such a way that pressing a button the keyboard, e.g. "T" + then swiping on the display would enable a multi touch gesture? As in, pressing T will simulate pressing the display at the bottom edge with one finger, and the real stylus/finger would be the other finger. |
| 13:24.56 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: yes, trivial. You could even implement such a thing yourself! =) |
| 13:24.56 | Shapeshifter | I have no clue about at which level multitouch is implemented |
| 13:25.02 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: really? |
| 13:25.15 | javispedro | You just need to read about SDL and multiple mice. |
| 13:25.35 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: but would it work for already compiled games? |
| 13:25.41 | javispedro | yes... |
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| 13:25.47 | Shapeshifter | ha. I'll look into it |
| 13:25.54 | lcukn900 | shapeshifter, that sort of simulated MT is actually possible on the real display anyway. see liqbase fake multitouch. always thought it would be good to do shift style keypreses |
| 13:26.08 | javispedro | My alloted time into hacking for the week has already run out, so expect no more work from me until next week. |
| 13:26.18 | Shapeshifter | sure |
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| 13:30.12 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: You start it, I'll link to it |
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| 13:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: ok, but first I'd need an address. Any ambiguity or later change will spoil the whole thing |
| 13:31.17 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Hmm, let me look for one |
| 13:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, 3 days left til next mwkn |
| 13:32.22 | DocScrutinizer | this could actually be some fun |
| 13:32.52 | DocScrutinizer | and also make things move... nah, nothing will make things move, but anyway |
| 13:33.10 | DocScrutinizer | at least the cherries move al over the world :-P |
| 13:34.22 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Something like "MeeGo Devices" @ the Helsinki address here, I reckon: http://research.nokia.com/locations#helsinki |
| 13:34.41 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: "Give Nokia your cherry" |
| 13:34.42 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: :-) |
| 13:35.20 | Jartza | "just a few minutes away" :D |
| 13:35.40 | Jartza | from monday to wednesday this week I spent 40 minutes in car between those two |
| 13:35.41 | Jaffa | Jartza: "...at the speed of sound" |
| 13:36.02 | nid0 | so, i'm about a year late in asking this but havent really used it much till now and cant find an obvious answer on tmo, is there any way to get skype to use the n900's main camera for video calls? |
| 13:36.06 | jaska | for a pluto nuclear thermal cruise missile its even less! |
| 13:36.13 | Jartza | cool |
| 13:36.18 | Jartza | let's have few of those |
| 13:36.19 | Jartza | :) |
| 13:36.23 | Jaffa | Heading which way? ;-) |
| 13:36.31 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 13:36.32 | Jartza | both? :) |
| 13:36.42 | RST38h | Anything exciting tonight? |
| 13:36.46 | Jartza | loves building from scratch |
| 13:36.50 | Jartza | :) |
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| 13:38.16 | crashanddie | Jaffa, do you do job advertisement on MWKN? |
| 13:38.59 | Jaffa | crashanddie: Could do, if it was interesting. |
| 13:39.26 | Jaffa | crashanddie: "Software developer @ MeeGo devices", yawn (probably). "VP of MeeGo Devices", more interesting ;-) |
| 13:40.14 | javispedro | lol |
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| 13:43.35 | MohammadAG51 | if only the guy leaking PRs leaked something more useful |
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| 13:43.49 | MohammadAG51 | the source code of all apps |
| 13:43.59 | crashanddie | Jaffa, "Urgent, team of MeeGo/Maemo developers in Finland. C++ / Qt experience a plus" |
| 13:44.10 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: why advertise? just toss it over to me! ;-P |
| 13:44.13 | javispedro | "Not required, though" =) |
| 13:44.26 | frals | crashanddie: same crap as im getting daily on linkedin? :( |
| 13:44.34 | N900_athens | anybody knows why there is no maemo Pr.1.3 for my n900 via nokia.com or OTA? |
| 13:44.40 | crashanddie | yeah, just got it through linkedin |
| 13:44.59 | MohammadAG51 | lol got it through email |
| 13:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: won't happen. Those are Nokia testers that never get tpo see the code themselves |
| 13:45.27 | RST38h | Moo, konttori |
| 13:46.03 | ShadowJK | Myrtti: is your phone broken too? |
| 13:46.10 | DocScrutinizer | N900_athens: probably because you a) are on UK version, or B) have "broken the seal" as timeless(?) named it |
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| 13:46.38 | javispedro | moo RST38h btw |
| 13:46.43 | javispedro | and everyone |
| 13:46.53 | RST38h | javispedro: EHLO indeed |
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| 13:49.21 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: looks like Nokia is doing the age old error and throws in more untrained manpower on a team, to keep a deadline. Never works, as every new team member tends to push deadlines of next 6 months by at least several days |
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| 13:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | s/every/each |
| 13:50.26 | javispedro | someone didn't run "that book with dinosaurs in the cover" as described by someone I know =) |
| 13:50.31 | javispedro | s/run/read |
| 13:51.54 | N900_athens | anyone from greece? |
| 13:52.02 | RST38h | javispedro: they could have gone for the teddy bear book |
| 13:52.18 | RST38h | javispedro: a tamer, lamer version |
| 13:52.29 | crashanddie | N900_athens, yes, there's someone |
| 13:52.52 | javispedro | heh |
| 13:53.01 | RST38h | Doc: With the right organization it may work |
| 13:53.18 | crashanddie | N900_athens, last I checked, there were 11 million people "from greece" |
| 13:53.21 | RST38h | Doc: Of course, it depends on whether the new guys can actually develop code |
| 13:53.40 | crashanddie | RST38h, it doesn't, because no-one can jump in a project and start writing code |
| 13:53.43 | javispedro | LOL |
| 13:53.45 | crashanddie | if you can, you're a bad developer |
| 13:53.59 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: ack |
| 13:54.00 | crashanddie | and you probably have no clue what you're doing -- you end up producing products that are broken. |
| 13:54.05 | javispedro | the guys at TheDailyWtf made a Visual Studio extension that automatically submits code to the dailywtf |
| 13:54.18 | javispedro | I would make it automatically submit entire VB projects =) |
| 13:54.32 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 13:54.36 | crashanddie | TRWTF is VB |
| 13:54.54 | DocScrutinizer | "but.. but... VB is *nice*!!1!!" |
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| 13:55.04 | javispedro | http://inedo.com/Resources/Images/Curios/SubmitWTFMenu.png |
| 13:55.08 | javispedro | lol |
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| 13:55.37 | erani | is there a way to remove an individual appointment from a repeating appointment in calendar? due to e.g. some kind of exception in lecture arrangements |
| 13:55.47 | javispedro | Someone should make a song about this.. |
| 13:55.50 | chem|st | N900_athens: you are looking for someone with a greek build of maemo at a n900, there is no greek build! |
| 13:56.04 | javispedro | If there's something strange. .. in your VB application ... Who you gonna call? DailyWTFers! |
| 13:56.30 | DocScrutinizer | erani: HAH, I honestly doubt that |
| 13:56.37 | RST38h | crashanddie: You do not want to make them write code from the start |
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| 13:56.59 | RST38h | crashanddie: First of all, you can create a team with 1-2 old timers leading that works on the UI |
| 13:57.09 | RST38h | crashanddie: this is really easy in QML by the way |
| 13:57.25 | crashanddie | maybe we don't, but I sure as hell know a lot of managers who would love nothing more than drones that start printing code as soon as they touch a keyboard |
| 13:57.39 | RST38h | crashanddie: For the coding jobs, you select trackers that require trivial work and assign them to newbies, giving each of them a buddy |
| 13:57.46 | DocScrutinizer | whisling the gostbusters theme |
| 13:58.13 | RST38h | crashanddie: well, a lot of non-technical people think that writing code is like digging ditches but we all know it is not |
| 13:58.25 | RST38h | Some of it (like web programming) ALMOST is :) |
| 13:58.55 | erani | DocScrutinizer: oh well. symbian had that option so I somehow thought maemo would too :D it's quite useful after all to change one appointment in a series of gazillion that would stay the same |
| 13:59.35 | DocScrutinizer | agree, and honestly I haven't tried to do that yet |
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| 14:00.37 | fcrochik | can anybody help me with a crash course on how to debug/trace an application on the device? |
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| 14:00.47 | DocScrutinizer | somebody evaluated importing of appointments to N900 from google, and claimed biweekly or somesuch stays intact as long as you don't edit. So possibly there's the infra to do that, but no UI |
| 14:00.59 | erani | yeah. i usually carry my school calendar with me in my phone all the time, and lectures tend to change quite frequently so changing an individual appointment or putting some notes into it would be great |
| 14:01.37 | crashanddie | RST38h, well, this guy really was digging a ditch: http://mobilemru.com/meetup/ search for this: (note the space after the double dash at the end) ' or 10 union (select name, concat('Userid: ', id, ' -- email ', email, ' (', name, ' ', surname, ') is a ', if (sex=1, 'male ', if (sex=2, 'female', 'gay')), if (religion=1, 'hindu', if (religion=2, 'muslim', if (religion=3, 'christian', if (religion=4, 'buddhist', 'south-indian' |
| 14:01.37 | crashanddie | )))), ' (password: "', password, '")'), id, id, id, id, id, id, id, id from profile); -- |
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| 14:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 14:02.41 | DocScrutinizer | SQL injection fun |
| 14:02.48 | javispedro | and they say php magic quotes was evil |
| 14:03.02 | crashanddie | javispedro, magic quotes is evil |
| 14:03.20 | Stskeeps | ponders idly why someone says 'nitdroid all over again' in a negative fashion |
| 14:03.23 | Stskeeps | did i miss something? |
| 14:03.32 | javispedro | crashanddie: it is when you try to know what you're doing, it isn't when you don't, like the above guy |
| 14:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ?? |
| 14:03.45 | lcukn900 | crashanddie, thats the same site you were trying to hype yesterday, ehats your relationship/motivation behind this? is it your code/site thats running? |
| 14:04.03 | DocScrutinizer | you missed "Give Nokia your cherries" birth :-) |
| 14:04.22 | crashanddie | lcukn900, nope |
| 14:04.31 | chem|st | ~tell N900_athens about flasher |
| 14:04.35 | chem|st | ~tell N900_athens about flashing |
| 14:04.46 | ZogG | hey |
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| 14:05.12 | ZogG | ~tell chem|st about DocScrutinizer |
| 14:05.35 | lcukn900 | so why so interested in one specific site, theres many many places which show tell you how to deal with sql injection and what does it jmatter anyway in this case? |
| 14:05.38 | crashanddie | lcukn900, just some racist homophobic asshole who assumes everyone owes him something. I don't like being insulted because someone doesn't like the fact you have to pay to have a nice design for your website |
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| 14:06.25 | crashanddie | lcukn900, for the record, he's getting emails with all the information I'm getting from the sql injection, and I told him how to plug it, plus, it's a test website |
| 14:06.44 | ZogG | lcukn900, crashanddie just punch each other in the face and calm down =) (stop fighting girls) |
| 14:06.51 | crashanddie | we're fighting? |
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| 14:06.59 | RST38h | Hmmm... |
| 14:07.09 | ZogG | aren't you? |
| 14:07.09 | chem|st | ZogG: ? |
| 14:07.10 | lcukn900 | err whatever. :s obviously some grudging going on |
| 14:07.13 | ZogG | boring |
| 14:07.23 | RST38h | crash: When you hack someone and deface his site, do not say you have done it because he is homophobic or asshole |
| 14:07.27 | ZogG | RST38h privet |
| 14:07.35 | javispedro | ponders why does the power button have a fixed timeout to send the "released" event |
| 14:07.36 | RST38h | crash: Just admit it: you are doing it for LULZ! |
| 14:07.48 | RST38h | ZogG: TAKuKY |
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| 14:07.58 | WolfS | Åñòü ðóññêèå ? |
| 14:08.08 | crashanddie | RST38h, he lists "GAY" as a sex, and your account is suspended when you register as a gay muslim, because "those two options aren't compatible" |
| 14:08.12 | RST38h | WolfS: No, use latin. |
| 14:08.17 | ZogG | WolfS, englih nd unicode please |
| 14:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: ?? elaborate |
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| 14:08.36 | ZogG | crashanddie like you do give a shit |
| 14:08.40 | crashanddie | I do. |
| 14:08.41 | RST38h | crash: That is his own brainbugs to sort out |
| 14:08.51 | ZogG | crashanddie why would you? |
| 14:08.51 | crashanddie | Plus I was bored at work yesterday. |
| 14:08.52 | WolfS | where russia people ? |
| 14:08.56 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the N900 power button input device -- it sends key down events right when you press it, but it sends key release events a second or so after |
| 14:08.59 | crashanddie | WolfS, in russia |
| 14:08.59 | ZogG | WolfS here |
| 14:09.00 | lcukn900 | crashanddie, can i ask how you found this outa? |
| 14:09.18 | ZogG | lcukn900 he is gay muslim ??? |
| 14:09.19 | WolfS | hmmm |
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| 14:09.45 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: after press while still held down, or after release? |
| 14:09.49 | javispedro | release |
| 14:09.52 | ZogG | WolfS ya slushau =) if you have something to sk you can PM RST38h, he is russian and like to help people |
| 14:09.57 | DocScrutinizer | weird |
| 14:10.10 | RST38h | ZogG: I like helping people? Really? |
| 14:10.15 | lcukn900 | goes finding out whats wrong with virgin |
| 14:10.17 | RST38h | found something new about himself today. |
| 14:10.19 | crashanddie | lcukn900, it's in the bloody code he demonstrated. He didn't open a <?php tag and the code was in the free |
| 14:10.23 | ZogG | so music playing after call and play button on widget will never be fixed ah |
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| 14:10.45 | ZogG | crashanddie opensource FTW |
| 14:10.49 | WolfS | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:10.51 | crashanddie | ZogG, lol :) |
| 14:10.57 | crashanddie | WolfS, yeah, we gathered that. |
| 14:11.02 | RST38h | ZogG: May get fixed once they open the involved source code |
| 14:11.03 | crashanddie | WolfS, http://translate.google.com |
| 14:11.13 | timeless_mbp | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that was my term |
| 14:11.14 | RST38h | crash: Google is even worse at it |
| 14:11.29 | crashanddie | RST38h, hmm. It's actually decent with western-european languages |
| 14:11.41 | ZogG | RST38h oh i see - it will never happens? |
| 14:11.53 | tybollt | why the hell are you into computers if you can't speak english? |
| 14:12.00 | RST38h | ZogG: Not necessarily. Ask someone from Nokia for current status |
| 14:12.01 | tybollt | is tired of the apologists... |
| 14:12.10 | ZogG | or n900 would be dinosaur when phones would be implant in your head |
| 14:12.17 | RST38h | tybollt: Why are you here then? |
| 14:12.31 | ZogG | tybollt in soviet russia computers into you |
| 14:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: sorry trashcollector cleaned up my stack - context please |
| 14:13.00 | loufoque_ | I had an N900 up to now paid by my company, I have to give it back |
| 14:13.05 | loufoque_ | I'm wondering if I should buy a new one |
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| 14:13.08 | ZogG | RST38h i don't believe any Nokia lies anymore |
| 14:13.10 | loufoque_ | or if I should move to a new device |
| 14:13.11 | timeless_mbp | "broke the seal" |
| 14:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
| 14:13.38 | ZogG | so how the F Microsot got the money from companies for using android? |
| 14:13.55 | mgedmin | loufoque_, n900 is the best linux lapto^H^H^H handheld I've seen |
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| 14:13.59 | ZogG | haven't you read about it? |
| 14:14.00 | tybollt | ZogG: nokia lies? what now? |
| 14:14.03 | mgedmin | if you want a _phone_, you may want to look elsewhere |
| 14:14.15 | ZogG | tybollt they don;t lie - they are not telling whole truth |
| 14:14.23 | tybollt | about what? |
| 14:14.26 | loufoque_ | mgedmin: but nokia doesn't care about it |
| 14:14.26 | ZogG | tybollt everything is too much cloudy to see thru |
| 14:14.41 | tybollt | ZogG: yeye but what specific issue are you getting at? |
| 14:14.42 | mgedmin | depends on how you define "care", I suppose |
| 14:14.43 | ZogG | tybollt updates, changelogs, flash, bugs... |
| 14:14.51 | tybollt | ZogG: oh yes - of course |
| 14:14.58 | javispedro | loufoque_: it cares as much as Dell cares about that Linux laptop it just sold you |
| 14:14.58 | mgedmin | they keep releasing new firmwares every now and then |
| 14:15.11 | tybollt | ZogG: but you can't atually SAY that... cause if you do all the nokia people go all EMO and shit |
| 14:15.32 | ZogG | tybollt all the videos from lab of new things they made with N900 thatu never can see actually and if you e-mail to ask you get some beautifull blahblah shit |
| 14:15.36 | tybollt | but yes you are right of course |
| 14:15.44 | javispedro | loufoque_: aka nothing at all =) |
| 14:15.50 | tybollt | zogg++ |
| 14:15.56 | ZogG | tybollt not all Nokias, but Nokia, there is a difference |
| 14:16.12 | loufoque_ | javispedro: Apple cares about its iphone and its appstore |
| 14:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | weird stuff - all they day I feel like Friday, and an hour ago I was thinking "hey but IRC isn't like Fr". Not now though |
| 14:16.16 | ZogG | i don't mind to get NO, but to get no answer is killing |
| 14:16.21 | ZogG | about flash is most funny |
| 14:16.30 | ZogG | adobe says it's nokia and nokia is adobe |
| 14:16.35 | loufoque_ | javispedro: I'd like Nokia to do the same |
| 14:16.36 | psycho_oreos | apple cares too much about its owners |
| 14:16.41 | loufoque_ | Ovi is shit |
| 14:16.43 | javispedro | loufoque_: complain |
| 14:16.45 | ZogG | apple doesn't |
| 14:16.56 | javispedro | loufoque_: (with your pocket ofc) |
| 14:17.04 | javispedro | er.,. |
| 14:17.05 | ZogG | psycho_oreos than use apple with only functions they say you to use |
| 14:17.07 | javispedro | s/pocket/money |
| 14:17.13 | D-man | Hey guys. Is there a gui ssh client availible for n900? |
| 14:17.19 | ZogG | apple cares to look good in eyes of people and it's different |
| 14:17.20 | loufoque_ | I'm not sure not giving money to nokia helps |
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| 14:17.36 | loufoque_ | nokia is in desperate need of money if they want to make a comeback on the smartphone scene |
| 14:17.42 | javispedro | money??' |
| 14:17.44 | psycho_oreos | ZogG, I'm not supporting apple's stance |
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| 14:17.54 | lcukn900 | d-man? ssh is secure shell..? |
| 14:17.58 | mgedmin | boggles at the thought of a "gui ssh client" |
| 14:18.07 | javispedro | more like "gui ssh launcher" |
| 14:18.10 | D-man | yes... |
| 14:18.15 | mgedmin | well, I suppose menus for defining favourite hostnames etc... |
| 14:18.20 | ZogG | psycho_oreos iphone has the awesomest fetuare |
| 14:18.27 | lcukn900 | x-term is the gui :p |
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| 14:18.39 | javispedro | iphone has the awesomest fetus? |
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| 14:18.56 | ZogG | iphones are bought so much with no explanations -- best feature |
| 14:19.33 | D-man | Yeah... i'm having some problems. It asks me for passphrase of privatekey. Putty just asked me for username and pass.. :S |
| 14:19.35 | psycho_oreos | ZogG, the hardware is pretty nice.. the software is on the par but the evangelist that is now peddling with keeping track of jailbroken iphone users isn't |
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| 14:20.22 | psycho_oreos | and him constantly talking trash is quite ludicrous |
| 14:20.41 | ShadowJK | d-man: ah yeah it can be a pain to get putty to work properly with keys |
| 14:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 14:21.33 | Termana | All I can do is facepalm at you loufoque_ |
| 14:21.39 | D-man | But... putty works fine.. i can't get it to work with xterm.. |
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| 14:22.08 | BCMM | on the topic of GUI ssh clients, putty works pretty well for people who can't actually use computers |
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| 14:22.24 | visz | puttytray is even better |
| 14:22.28 | ShadowJK | so you've made a ssh key, locked it with a password and forgotten the password? |
| 14:22.56 | BCMM | by which i mean, you can give them a menu entry and tell them "double click on that to reboot the server" |
| 14:23.04 | ShadowJK | i guess you'd delete the .ssh/id_rsa and .ssh/id_rsa.pub keys then.. |
| 14:23.13 | ZogG | loufoque_ it's not all about money, there are respect, love and understanding, ask DocScrutinizer, we are BFF here =) |
| 14:23.35 | BCMM | hugs everyone |
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| 14:24.00 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: HEH? |
| 14:24.07 | Termana | ZogG, I will facepalm at you if you actually believe what loufoque_ said |
| 14:24.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | do I need both X86 and ARML if I want to tinker with the sdk a little? |
| 14:24.45 | D-man | well.. I know the passphrase, but when connecting with putty it asks me for username first and then for passprashe, xterm just asks for passphrase, but it doesn't accept the one I previusly used... |
| 14:25.03 | lcukx200 | D-man, what is the ssh connection string you are using |
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| 14:25.07 | javispedro | KaffeeJunky123: what kind of tinkering? you might not need the SDK at all |
| 14:25.11 | lcukx200 | normally you include the username you want to connect with that |
| 14:25.19 | lcukx200 | ie: ssh gary@10.0.0.1 |
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| 14:25.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | javispedro: writing little c++ ish hildon applications and such |
| 14:25.57 | ZogG | BCMM ohhhhh, you are so sweet |
| 14:26.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | javispedro: I think it's way more comfortable to develop those on my pc, instead of ssh into the N900 |
| 14:26.05 | javispedro | KaffeeJunky123: ah, nice. Not having the x86 target will prevent you from running your apps on the SDK, while not having the ARMEL target will prevent you from running the apps on the N900 =) |
| 14:26.16 | javispedro | KaffeeJunky123: you decide :) |
| 14:26.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | um |
| 14:26.27 | D-man | lcukx200: ssh -i /path/to/ppk HOST -p PORT |
| 14:26.30 | loufoque_ | ZogG: what did I say |
| 14:26.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | qemu should get ARMLE to work ^^ |
| 14:26.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | well I'll just try out and I'll see what actually works |
| 14:26.55 | BCMM | the SDK will execute ARM binaries using qemu, but last i heard said ARM binaries couldn't use the X-server for some odd reason |
| 14:26.55 | javispedro | KaffeeJunky123: it might run your app but it does not run the entire Maemo UI |
| 14:26.55 | crashanddie | LOL "I recently spent several weeks in France and have come away with three thoughts, the third of which is rather rambling." |
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| 14:27.16 | javispedro | KaffeeJunky123: either way gdb runs so much better on the x86 target. |
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| 14:27.32 | lcukx200 | D-man, idk then! i just use it simply |
| 14:27.49 | BCMM | presumably, the UI uses which arch it's being built for to decide whether or not to worry if it can't actually find the GSM modem and such? |
| 14:28.05 | lcukx200 | curses 3.5g chirping on my speakers |
| 14:28.17 | javispedro | BCMM: it's just qemu-user limitations from the sdk version |
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| 14:29.28 | BCMM | javispedro: what limitation? performance ones? |
| 14:29.41 | javispedro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tn-YesqzvNk I wonder if this is some kind of Chinese' Onion News Network. |
| 14:29.44 | BCMM | javispedro: also, is there still a problem with ARM apps using the x-server? |
| 14:30.08 | javispedro | BCMM: there are no problems with the x-server perse. qemu-user fails to emulate some stuff. |
| 14:30.21 | BCMM | ah, ok. like what? |
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| 14:30.49 | javispedro | dunno, but it failts to boot the UI. |
| 14:31.12 | BCMM | lcukx200: heh, can you tell the difference between the sounds of different GSM-ish specs? |
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| 14:32.17 | lcukx200 | BCMM, well it had dropped from 3.5g to 2.5g when the chirping was there |
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| 14:33.17 | Jo-erlend- | is there a native client for anyremote? |
| 14:34.14 | crashanddie | "I mainly shoot weddings, portraits and some still live." <-- Improved accuracy required. He leaves survivors. |
| 14:35.08 | Jo-erlend- | ~pr1.3 |
| 14:35.09 | infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 14:40.16 | ZogG | Termana you are too old to get my sarcasm |
| 14:40.27 | ZogG | ~pr1.4 |
| 14:40.27 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 14:40.32 | ZogG | =( |
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| 14:41.25 | Termana | ZogG, actually I'm probably younger than you, but ok :P |
| 14:41.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | Termana: u18? |
| 14:42.37 | Termana | Rephrase in an understandable manner? |
| 14:42.41 | crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, gtfo you perv |
| 14:42.54 | Termana | :p |
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| 14:43.24 | KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: I was about to tell him that IRC isn't a place for the underaged because there are so many pervs :( |
| 14:43.38 | KaffeeJunky123 | crashanddie: what are you? the pedofinder general? |
| 14:43.54 | crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, acceptance is always the first step in remission. Good on you. |
| 14:43.55 | ZogG | Coon is back |
| 14:43.59 | ZogG | mp> south.park.s14e11.repack.720p.hdtv.x264-ctu.mkv [1280x720 H264 24.000fps] |
| 14:44.06 | Termana | crashanddie, you just found one apparently |
| 14:44.08 | Termana | :p |
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| 14:44.18 | crashanddie | KaffeeJunky123, I'm PEDOBEAR |
| 14:44.36 | Termana | crashanddie, I was thinking more like you know, Chris Hansen |
| 14:44.49 | Termana | But Pedobear works as well |
| 14:45.51 | crashanddie | Termana, http://images.encyclopediadramatica.com/images/9/99/Cavitysearchpedobear.jpg |
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| 14:47.05 | Termana | heh |
| 14:47.19 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaUkt59vY1Q |
| 14:47.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | that's what I was refering to |
| 14:47.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | and they're in turn refering to some american television show |
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| 14:57.33 | BCMM | it's a shame there are probably no more PRs coming |
| 14:57.34 | BCMM | it's long been my ambition to find out about one just before #maemo does |
| 14:57.34 | BCMM | and get banned |
| 14:57.55 | crashanddie | you wouldn't get banned |
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| 14:58.33 | crashanddie | the whole "is a bannable subject" thingie by infobot is just a meme to get maenoobs to stfu about "When is the next update coming?" |
| 14:58.44 | BCMM | crashanddie: yeah, i know that really |
| 14:58.53 | crashanddie | good, I was worried for a second :D |
| 14:58.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's coming "when it's finished"� |
| 14:59.41 | crashanddie | BCMM, though, if your long ambition is to get banned from #maemo, I can help you accomplish that :) |
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| 15:02.17 | erani | is it possible to make changes to e.g. n900's calendar software so that the changes would be then applied to an official patch release rather than making it as some kind of a downloadable program in the maemo app center? |
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| 15:03.11 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: yeah, my Nexus One |
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| 15:05.05 | |187| | guess is there some kinda counter for the sms? i mean without installing additional script or smth? i cant find any setting/option (for n900 that is) |
| 15:05.16 | |187| | in all nokias i had till now there was a counter built-in |
| 15:05.19 | |187| | mh |
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| 15:18.15 | agi | |187|: user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el.db is a sqlite DB with all data. you can create a little script to query it |
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| 15:21.46 | |187| | sweet thx agi will have a look.. thought there was somewhere already something setup that i just missed ;) |
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| 15:27.20 | BCMM_ | well, it looks like i'm going to have to flash to get 1.3; any advice on how to do things smoothly? |
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| 15:28.05 | BCMM_ | am i right that it won't overwrite ~/MyDocs, but will overright ~/? |
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| 15:28.19 | BCMM_ | ^overwrite |
| 15:28.32 | lcuk | yes BCMM_ - use the backup tool to save the config data, app list and repositories |
| 15:28.52 | ZogG | BCMM_ backup |
| 15:29.19 | BCMM_ | lcuk: ah thanks, i forget about the backup tool |
| 15:29.47 | BCMM_ | lcuk: i was actually starting to consider dpkg -l + some bash magic |
| 15:29.58 | lcuk | :) |
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| 15:31.09 | BCMM_ | oh, i must remember to backup my boot video setup |
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| 15:32.04 | lcuk | sighs at hacks and mods not being packaged up |
| 15:32.48 | BCMM_ | oh, i must remember to backup my boot video setup |
| 15:32.54 | BCMM_ | uh |
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| 15:33.05 | BCMM_ | i meant: lcuk: ? |
| 15:34.10 | lcuk | BCMM_, you just highlighted a single one, but if your bootvideo configuration came in a proper package from extras, it wouldnt require extra work from you or others to maintain it beyond a flash |
| 15:34.34 | iksaif | hi, anyone using lugdulo'v here ? :) |
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| 15:35.03 | Venemo | hey bradas! |
| 15:35.16 | MohammadAG | hi Venemo |
| 15:35.24 | Venemo | the repair centre was unable to repair my N900, so they replaced it with a new one :) |
| 15:35.30 | BCMM_ | lcuk: well, it's just a video i made and a config file that points to it |
| 15:35.51 | Venemo | hello MohammadAG |
| 15:35.58 | BCMM_ | it says "don't panic" in large friendly letters |
| 15:36.04 | lcuk | BCMM_, sure |
| 15:36.11 | lcuk | now you are panicing to back it up :P |
| 15:36.16 | BCMM_ | and more importantly, has NO SOUND |
| 15:36.33 | Venemo | hey lcuk |
| 15:36.44 | lcuk | \o venemo |
| 15:37.22 | lcuk | bah at not being able to get hold of the ppl I wanted to before my internet fell off |
| 15:38.45 | Venemo | it is brand new :) so I'm happy now. never seen a brand new N900 |
| 15:39.20 | lcuk | \o/ Venemo |
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| 15:42.21 | Venemo | :) |
| 15:42.24 | Venemo | I'll be back |
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| 15:52.14 | kerio | lcuk: oh come on - that was a test! (re: links) |
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| 15:53.12 | Venemo | hi again |
| 15:53.15 | lcuk | i will test kicking you into orbit if i ever see anything like that again |
| 15:54.16 | Venemo | the N900 still runs PR 1.1 (I think), but I can't reflash it from Windows... |
| 15:54.39 | jacekowski | then flash it from linux |
| 15:55.48 | Venemo | will do |
| 15:55.59 | Venemo | I just have to wait until I get home to my Linux HDD |
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| 16:03.32 | Oli``` | Is it possible to change the SSU of a n900 without reflashing? I tried changing apt's sources.list to mr0 but the update manager seems to keep a tight lid on that and kept switching it back to 203 (UK) |
| 16:04.02 | MohammadAG | it's not a matter of links, packages differ a bit from one firmware to another |
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| 16:04.36 | MohammadAG | if you want global, reflash |
| 16:04.42 | MohammadAG | UK firmware is retarded really |
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| 16:09.12 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: hey you finally did it?!! gimmegimmegimme! Pretty please! |
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| 16:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | I'd even consider packaging it for you, and properly ship to extras-devel |
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| 16:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | if you like me to |
| 16:12.23 | korhojoa | ~pr1.3 |
| 16:12.23 | infobot | i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 16:15.22 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: mece: meego.com meego-dev archives for October 2010 have been 404ed. Shame about http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6477 etc. |
| 16:16.02 | mece | huh? |
| 16:16.06 | mece | damn |
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| 16:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sorry? |
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| 16:18.01 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-October/006884.html now 404s; it was the email from a Nokian forwarding an earlier email which contained the label "About your N9" |
| 16:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: you tell us somebody nuked the archive as there's been the string "N9" somewhere in a post? o.O |
| 16:18.08 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Looks like it |
| 16:18.26 | DocScrutinizer | omfg |
| 16:18.28 | Stskeeps | well, i doubt that is so much the problem, but considering the guy friggen sent a mail with a lot of internal server info.. |
| 16:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | nazi alarm |
| 16:18.59 | mece | Nazi alarm indeed |
| 16:18.59 | Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: All of "Thread", "Subject", "Author" and "Date" for October 2010 on http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/ 404. Gzip'd downloadable version still works |
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| 16:19.14 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 16:19.21 | javispedro | also, google cache still has it =) |
| 16:19.30 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: It's on the Internet. It's been broadcast to a bazillion people, clearing it up off meego.com is like trying to extract a drop of water from the Atlantic. |
| 16:19.43 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: not disagreeing |
| 16:19.59 | Jaffa | javispedro: And gmane, and mail-archive.com, and listware.net, and ... |
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| 16:20.23 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: projects.maemo.org in there was also interesting, TBH. But tekojo's set me straight on where (and what) that is. |
| 16:20.47 | wmarone | hrms at GSM noise coming across his headphones :/ |
| 16:21.23 | DocScrutinizer | well, if anybody needs the gzip... just ping me :-P |
| 16:21.34 | loufoque_ | Jaffa: someone has an N9? |
| 16:21.41 | javispedro | sigh. |
| 16:21.48 | Jaffa | loufoque_: Well, I assume a few Nokians do; but that's not what this was. |
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| 16:22.02 | loufoque_ | what was it then |
| 16:22.50 | javispedro | at least some Nokia devs think it's going to be named "N9", which I at least doubted until this point |
| 16:23.17 | Jaffa | loufoque_: If you believe the "we don't want N9, as an embargoed name, getting out" http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6477. If you believe "OMG, internal infrastructure exposed", then http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/6476 |
| 16:23.27 | mece | javispedro, well something was named n9, since it was printed on the tin :) |
| 16:23.31 | MohammadAG | gzip looks corrupt |
| 16:24.11 | Jaffa | wonders if, with some SMTP fakery, one could email harmattan-changes and use it to communicate some big change ;-) |
| 16:24.25 | Stskeeps | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:24.29 | mece | LOL |
| 16:24.34 | javispedro | "Execute Order 66" |
| 16:24.40 | Jaffa | Like "email all source code here"; "please can each group send marketing materials to ..."; "We're moving to C# over Qt, get going!" |
| 16:24.50 | Jaffa | javispedro: Noooooo |
| 16:26.10 | lcuk | they say chivalry is dead, but I detect tact is also a dying breed |
| 16:27.26 | Stskeeps | "open source cherry" |
| 16:27.38 | Shapeshifter | though it's funny that we're pretty much having a replay of the '90s where 3D games came out but they're all blocky and the aiming is a bit weird and it's all a bit of a laugh. |
| 16:27.43 | Shapeshifter | just that now they run on our phones |
| 16:28.24 | mece | Shapeshifter, what games are you referring to? |
| 16:29.03 | Shapeshifter | mece: the palm pre games that run on the n900. assassin's creed, nova... |
| 16:29.03 | Jaffa | lcuk: Meh, it's not that hard to get right. Nor are two bytes the end of the world (neither is making light of a situation that, no doubt, has some Nokians annoyed & upset) |
| 16:29.18 | Shapeshifter | assassin's creed barely looks any better than mario 64 |
| 16:29.34 | Shapeshifter | I mean, it's cool for such a small device, but putting it in perspective... |
| 16:29.54 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: calling Mario 64 a game from the 90s makes me feel quite old |
| 16:30.02 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: so, don't. |
| 16:30.05 | mece | Shapeshifter, oh. Those. I don't have access to any of those games :/ |
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| 16:30.26 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: mario 64 is from 1996 |
| 16:30.33 | mece | Shapeshifter, Dune 2 :) Assassins creed seem very new. |
| 16:30.52 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: GO AWAY!! GO AWAY!! LALALALALALA I'm not listening!! |
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| 16:30.56 | Shapeshifter | lol |
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| 16:31.44 | mece | The ScummVM games feel like 90ies. Those pre games look shiny and new. |
| 16:31.54 | Khertan | Hi ! |
| 16:32.12 | Shapeshifter | mece: they *do* look shiny and new but they're actually not :) |
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| 16:32.26 | mece | Shapeshifter, oh. |
| 16:32.53 | Shapeshifter | http://appmodo.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/palm-assassins-creed.png |
| 16:33.08 | Shapeshifter | well they're new allright, but not that shiny |
| 16:33.21 | mece | nod. rather lo res on pre |
| 16:34.21 | javispedro | Jaffa: not only two bytes. We also know it has TV-out, SIM-card, a battery, and a USB port ;) |
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| 16:34.47 | javispedro | Jaffa: and that it is a phone! not a tablet =( ;) |
| 16:35.10 | MohammadAG | hmm, how do I add a sleep without stopping the UI? |
| 16:35.25 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: in what? |
| 16:35.29 | MohammadAG | Qt |
| 16:35.30 | javispedro | MohammadAG: don't sleep but block on the main loop. What toolkit is this? |
| 16:35.31 | Khertan | Shapeshifter, good luck to play ... it use multi touch :) |
| 16:35.35 | Jaffa | javispedro: And Bluetooth |
| 16:35.41 | Jaffa | javispedro: And a "tele coil" |
| 16:35.56 | Jaffa | javispedro: ...which seems to be a hearing aid induction loop brand, AFAICT |
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| 16:36.03 | javispedro | A tele-coil. |
| 16:36.14 | Khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/khweeteur-experimental_0.0.39-7/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt <<< someone understand the reason of the failed ? |
| 16:36.20 | javispedro | now is that the revolutionary part? =) |
| 16:36.21 | MohammadAG | javispedro, Qt/C++ |
| 16:36.41 | javispedro | MohammadAG: do you want a timeout instead (getting a callback called after a few seconds?= |
| 16:36.51 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: timer |
| 16:36.56 | Jaffa | javispedro: Carrying on from Order 66, it allows you to remotely choke someone without having to be a Sith lord. |
| 16:37.02 | Shapeshifter | MohammadAG: there are a few different solutions: http://doc.trolltech.com/qq/qq27-responsive-guis.html |
| 16:37.36 | hrw|uds | Khertan: check what dpkg-checkbuilddeps do |
| 16:37.58 | Shapeshifter | Khertan: yeah I know. I'm trying to figure out if it's possible to make some fake multitouch work |
| 16:38.03 | javispedro | Jaffa: I guess some Nokia manager, per usual, interpreted "needing a killer application" literally ;) |
| 16:38.30 | Khertan | hrw|uds, hum ... arg not available on n900 |
| 16:38.54 | javispedro | Khertan: looks like a syntax error in control file |
| 16:39.21 | hrw|uds | agrees with javispedro |
| 16:39.35 | Khertan | hum ... ok thanks will try to found it manually so :) |
| 16:39.36 | hrw|uds | Khertan: dpkg-checkbuilddeps reads debian/control and checks are all deps are installed |
| 16:39.48 | hrw|uds | Khertan: always do local builds first |
| 16:41.00 | Khertan | hrw|uds, local build don't work on n900 :) |
| 16:41.16 | Khertan | found the problem a space is missing |
| 16:41.18 | Khertan | yeah ! |
| 16:41.37 | hrw|uds | Khertan: so do that in maemosdk? |
| 16:41.47 | Khertan | doesn't run on device ;) |
| 16:41.49 | javispedro | maybe Nokia knew that we hated pulseaudio and the xprot stuff, so they removed it without fixing the speakers, thereby limiting the output volume? |
| 16:41.57 | javispedro | and thus, they had to add some "hearing aid" |
| 16:42.03 | Jaffa | :) |
| 16:42.13 | hrw|uds | Khertan: all packages are in maemosdk. you should be able to get them on device ;D |
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| 16:42.31 | hrw|uds | Khertan: what new in khweeteur? |
| 16:42.35 | Khertan | hrw|uds, and i'm writing a distutils extension for python standart packaging tools :) |
| 16:42.45 | Khertan | hrw|uds, bugs ... geolocalisation ... and more bugs |
| 16:43.02 | hrw|uds | Khertan: bugs... there are far too many of them already ;d |
| 16:43.14 | Khertan | hrw|uds, and it s package with a new packaging system |
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| 16:43.27 | Khertan | hrw|uds, there is no bugs, just network errors |
| 16:43.30 | hrw|uds | Khertan: I hope that one day you will have version which will scroll smoothly |
| 16:43.43 | Khertan | hrw|uds, it s already scroll smoothly |
| 16:43.54 | Khertan | hrw|uds, did you try it with pr1.3 ? |
| 16:44.09 | hrw|uds | I have pr1.3 |
| 16:44.22 | Khertan | so it should scroll smoothly |
| 16:44.22 | hrw|uds | let me check |
| 16:44.30 | Khertan | it s works for me :) |
| 16:44.52 | Khertan | of course ... it didn't scroll well if you have a load average of 10 |
| 16:45.01 | hrw|uds | I scrolled a bit and it switched to "I am busy now" ;D |
| 16:45.18 | Khertan | ? |
| 16:45.27 | Khertan | strange |
| 16:45.31 | hrw|uds | Khertan: too often I end with "7 days ago" tweets displayed after initial scroll |
| 16:45.32 | Khertan | didn't had such problem |
| 16:45.58 | Khertan | did you have played with transition.ini ? |
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| 16:46.13 | Khertan | or some other settings ? |
| 16:46.14 | hrw|uds | Khertan: my transition.ini is full of 0's |
| 16:46.25 | Khertan | maybe this explain that |
| 16:46.35 | Shapeshifter | btw, are these games really "just SDL"? I don't even see multi touch support in SDL |
| 16:46.36 | Khertan | with a standart transition.ini no problem |
| 16:46.36 | Khertan | :) |
| 16:46.58 | hrw|uds | Khertan: with standard one the whole ssytem also lags compared to 0s |
| 16:47.18 | Khertan | hrw|uds, you have a problem somewhere so ... i didn't had such problem |
| 16:47.43 | ruskie | hmm so anyone running a more recent kernel on the n900(m5) with full functionality?... or got the dual booting stuff working yet? |
| 16:48.12 | hrw|uds | -> other sessions |
| 16:48.13 | Shapeshifter | or at least they removed all the code in 1.3 apparently... |
| 16:48.13 | hrw|uds | bbl |
| 16:48.31 | ruskie | why are ppl so obssede with multitouch? |
| 16:48.50 | javispedro | ruskie: meego-arm have |
| 16:48.51 | Khertan | because they didn't have a keyboard on their device |
| 16:49.07 | javispedro | ruskie: ah, m5. |
| 16:49.10 | ruskie | :) |
| 16:49.21 | Khertan | what is m5 ? |
| 16:49.29 | frals | maemo5? |
| 16:49.41 | ruskie | I'm not impressed by the meego ux so I'll stick to m5... |
| 16:50.36 | ruskie | still will give it a try |
| 16:51.12 | ozzi | Are the maemo/extra/ repos busy / |
| 16:51.13 | ozzi | ? |
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| 16:53.58 | mece | At what state is host mode these days btw? |
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| 16:56.04 | Khertan | frals :) |
| 16:56.20 | mece | is frals a state now? |
| 16:56.49 | MohammadAG | m |
| 16:57.01 | MohammadAG | mece, just compiled and uploaded a (password protected) kernel |
| 16:57.06 | MohammadAG | not tested |
| 16:57.10 | mece | :) |
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| 16:58.30 | fcrochik | any geeps users here? just published a new version and it is so much better now! :) |
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| 16:59.34 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/nfsu-installer/ <<< is it really legal ? |
| 17:00.03 | ruskie | It will take original .ipk file from Palm Pre game and install it into the Maemo system. The game is meant to be played on Nokia N900 via PreEnv Palm Pre emulator. |
| 17:00.18 | ruskie | if you have a legal way to get the ipk sounds like it |
| 17:00.20 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: ^ |
| 17:00.42 | Myrtti | sound awfully like the SNES emulators though |
| 17:00.53 | Stskeeps | yeah.. let's not repeat the emulator problem |
| 17:00.53 | javispedro | very probably isn't |
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| 17:01.07 | ruskie | what was the emulator prob? |
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| 17:01.22 | Myrtti | Nintendo sent cease and desist |
| 17:02.17 | ruskie | well technically to get a nintendo rom you need some interesting hardware to grab it out |
| 17:02.26 | ruskie | so biggest chance is that it's a rip off |
| 17:02.49 | javispedro | not to mention that the only way to get an .ipk is either a) manipulating the catalog application (outside the reach of your average lemming) b) outright pirate it. |
| 17:02.56 | kW_ | Hello! How can I fingerprint whether I have PR1.2 or PR1.3 on a particular root file system? (I have 2 instances of maemo on one N900 and do not know which one got updated now...) |
| 17:03.17 | Myrtti | ruskie: you are a bit out of touch of the world if you assume that that is the only way to get nintendo roms |
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| 17:03.33 | javispedro | so, whoever talks about .ipk is usually publicy telling everyone "I'm either a überhacker or a pirate". Guess what one's more probable. |
| 17:03.33 | ruskie | Myrtti, did you read the other line? |
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| 17:03.53 | javispedro | when getting the games from your own pre there's no ipk file involved. |
| 17:03.55 | Jaffa | javispedro: Stskeeps: Khertan: there's nothing intrinsically obviously wrong with that package from a legal PoV AFAICT. Although it'd be better if the "buy NFSU game" and "download .ipk" links took you somewhere relevant. |
| 17:04.00 | Jaffa | javispedro: Ah. |
| 17:04.16 | mgedmin | OpenWRT uses .ipk packages, iirc |
| 17:04.34 | Jaffa | assumes X-Fade approved the garage project. |
| 17:04.36 | javispedro | mgedmin: that's the "I'm a überhacker" part. |
| 17:04.41 | mgedmin | I'm guessing flashing a custom firmware onto your wireless router qualifies as uberhackery |
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| 17:04.57 | ruskie | kW_, settings -> about |
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| 17:06.37 | kW_ | ruskie: well, both instances tell me "Version: 20.2010.36-2" |
| 17:06.49 | RST38h | mooojavispedro, mgedmin, the rest |
| 17:07.01 | javispedro | moo |
| 17:07.01 | kW_ | ruskie: some other files would have changed, and this should be visible by their file date... or by different versions of certain packages or so |
| 17:07.20 | ruskie | check /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 17:07.27 | ruskie | the later one should have an extra line |
| 17:07.37 | ruskie | erm the more recent one I meant |
| 17:09.37 | ruskie | +echo 20 > /proc/sys/net/unix/max_dgram_qlen |
| 17:09.44 | ruskie | specifically that's new |
| 17:10.53 | mece | Tragedy struck a couple of days ago. My friends N900 met a watery death :/ |
| 17:11.16 | kW_ | ruskie: I see |
| 17:11.17 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: I'm trying to figure out how the palm pre games manage to get multitouch input. Because SDL 1.2 doesn't have any multitouch support, I assume they're using custom events, and maybe they are reading directly from the input device (touch screen). Do you have a pre? |
| 17:11.36 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: I think I told you to read on SDL and multiple mice.. |
| 17:11.38 | kW_ | ruskie: that worked, now I can identify the correct instance .-) |
| 17:11.38 | mece | So he was considering where to get a new one, and remembered a girl who bought one on an impulse half a year ago. |
| 17:12.10 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: multiple mice? I didn't find anything, really. Is the palm running X, even? multi pointer X? I thought that doesn't even exist yet. |
| 17:12.16 | mece | So he tried to market an iphone 4 to her as the be all end all device, so she would feel like selling her n900 to him. |
| 17:13.17 | mece | the answer was pretty clear. "The iphone is a toy, and I don't want it. Also, I love my N900 more than life itself. So no deal." |
| 17:14.29 | mece | so apparently non-nerds can enjoy the n900 too :) |
| 17:15.10 | lcuk | mece, non nerds may be able to, but they also give threats involving violence if certain updated levels of angry birds are not released :P |
| 17:15.27 | mece | lcuk, not this one though. |
| 17:15.50 | mece | lcuk, those people don't love their n900. |
| 17:16.41 | ruskie | damn... would love to meet girls like that |
| 17:17.26 | f0rk|n900 | those certain people should get an iphone |
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| 17:17.32 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: people in #sdl are quite convinced that SDL 1.2 does not have any support of that kind. And googling for "multiple mice event" or similar things only yields your thread on tmo ^^ |
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| 17:19.23 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: there's this thing called sdl 1.3 ... :) |
| 17:19.51 | VilhelmO | I'm thinking about getting a N900 but I dont really know it's already a year old device but hey maybe that's a good thing? it's propably alot better know than it was when it was first shipped |
| 17:19.54 | RST38h | new icons for meego handset! yummy! |
| 17:20.07 | RST38h | Vilhelmo: Depends on what you want |
| 17:21.06 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: but, but... the n900 and the pre use sdl 1.2 I thought |
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| 17:21.21 | Shapeshifter | I know that sdl 1.3 has multitouch. |
| 17:21.49 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: the Pre uses a heavily modified SDL1.2, the changes of which have been released by Palm as per the GPL |
| 17:21.54 | javispedro | quotes himself |
| 17:22.01 | VilhelmO | RST38h: well I'm pretty geeky if I would get it I would not get it just for the phone |
| 17:22.12 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: ah |
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| 17:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | mece: damn, this girl clearly qualifies for premium nerd in my book |
| 17:25.41 | mece | DocScrutinizer, well afaik she doesn't know anything about computers other than writing her thesis on one :) |
| 17:25.41 | laasonen | I'm trying to connect to internet via 3G with this command: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.phone.SSC /com/nokia/phone/SSC com.nokia.phone.SSC.set_radio boolean:true |
| 17:25.47 | laasonen | And nothing happens. |
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| 17:27.17 | djszapi | how can I manually restart X on my mobile ? |
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| 17:28.38 | laasonen | killall Xorg? |
| 17:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | killall hildon-desktop might be a start |
| 17:28.59 | laasonen | That doesn't restart X-server afaik? |
| 17:29.20 | tripzero | sudo buzzkill |
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| 17:29.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm probably not |
| 17:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | so it's reboot then :-P |
| 17:30.29 | mece | wouldn't killing Xorg do the trick? |
| 17:30.34 | tripzero | should |
| 17:30.48 | mece | lemme try |
| 17:30.50 | tripzero | something is acting as a watchdog to restart it if it ever crashes |
| 17:30.53 | mece | uh -oh |
| 17:30.58 | mece | yes |
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| 17:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 17:31.21 | mece | lol |
| 17:31.26 | mece | well, it rebooted the device |
| 17:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | there's a Xorg process |
| 17:31.35 | mece | DocScrutinizer, killing it reboots the device |
| 17:31.44 | DocScrutinizer | toldya |
| 17:31.49 | DocScrutinizer | reboot is it then |
| 17:31.56 | mece | DocScrutinizer, eyup |
| 17:32.23 | mece | I miss ctrl-alt-f2 (or other f's) |
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| 17:32.36 | mece | on N900 |
| 17:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 17:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if matchbox supports multiple x-sessions |
| 17:33.45 | tripzero | should |
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| 17:34.26 | Myrtti | I just taught my sister how to make a photo collection CD with Brasero and F-spot over the phone. I feel so proud... |
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| 17:34.43 | RST38h | she has got linux??? |
| 17:34.59 | DocScrutinizer | what's her phone number? |
| 17:35.13 | Myrtti | RST38h: sisters don't let sisters run Windows |
| 17:35.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 17:35.43 | Myrtti | I got fed up trying to fix her Windows since I've not used it for years myself |
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| 17:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | hehehehe |
| 17:35.57 | RST38h | hehe |
| 17:36.10 | RST38h | nothing spreads linux better than Win7 |
| 17:36.19 | lcuk | hm |
| 17:36.23 | Myrtti | she had W2K |
| 17:36.30 | DocScrutinizer | omg |
| 17:36.37 | RST38h | soiled w2k, surely? |
| 17:36.38 | lcuk | my son likes win7 and has a mild panic attack when I suggest booting linux |
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| 17:36.56 | Myrtti | RST38h: this was a year ago, when I finally gave up on it and got a new-ish computer for her |
| 17:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 17:37.07 | RST38h | hehe x3 |
| 17:38.22 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: get that win theme for linux, and tell him after a week he used linux since... |
| 17:38.26 | nid0 | win2k was great |
| 17:38.57 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, media centre wont work on it |
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| 17:39.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, beat wine to it |
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| 17:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | though bah mediacenter |
| 17:39.37 | lcuk | not worth hassle, will meegoify it when its ready |
| 17:40.05 | lcuk | its 20" multitouch already and he will make a good tester |
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| 17:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | wut, 20" mt o.O |
| 17:40.44 | nid0 | ? |
| 17:40.45 | lcuk | 20" MT allinone, nice intel rig apart from failing the boobie test |
| 17:40.51 | ruskie | hmm need to put some money aside for the touchbookv2... |
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| 17:41.29 | ruskie | or maybe the smartbook... can't really decide but already have a mid so don't really need the mid |
| 17:41.45 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: what's your average cleanser detergent consumption? :-P |
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| 17:41.53 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, not very high |
| 17:42.05 | lcuk | touch isnt used because windows makes for gorilla arm |
| 17:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, son doesn't care the chocolate stains |
| 17:42.18 | lcuk | its ok when we are stood around |
| 17:42.36 | lcuk | the youngest does, the surface games are quite neat |
| 17:42.48 | lcuk | shame about the boobies |
| 17:42.49 | lcuk | :( |
| 17:42.59 | Noobmonk3y | did someone say boobies? |
| 17:43.03 | lcuk | lol Noobmonk3y |
| 17:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | .oO(???) |
| 17:43.04 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:43.15 | Noobmonk3y | evvvvvvening!!! |
| 17:43.15 | BCMM_ | Noobmonk3y: do you highlight on that? |
| 17:43.30 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 |
| 17:43.39 | Noobmonk3y | BCMM, my highlight list would scare people! |
| 17:43.56 | Khertan | WHHHHYYYY my package icon isn't working |
| 17:44.07 | lcuk | i guess its a driver failure, hoping that linux gets it right :) |
| 17:44.11 | Khertan | i require some help :) |
| 17:44.17 | DocScrutinizer | friggin shit, my konqi just downloads that mp4 |
| 17:44.19 | lcuk | reboot |
| 17:44.26 | DocScrutinizer | need to use N900 :-P |
| 17:44.27 | Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk, unable to play on the n900 |
| 17:44.28 | lcuk | then download it and watch :P |
| 17:44.36 | Noobmonk3y | khertan? |
| 17:44.39 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, shouldnt be a problem, it was recorded on one |
| 17:44.54 | Noobmonk3y | meh, says it cant palay |
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| 17:45.01 | Khertan | Noobmonk3y, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/khweeteur-experimental/khweeteur-experimental_0.0.39-7_armel.deb |
| 17:45.02 | Khertan | :) |
| 17:45.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | nah |
| 17:45.16 | Khertan | i didn't understand why HAM didn't see the icon |
| 17:45.48 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y is furiously downloading it to his specially sorted downloads folders |
| 17:45.58 | Khertan | http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur-experimental/ <<< didn't see it too |
| 17:45.59 | Khertan | pfff |
| 17:46.04 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:46.07 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: re multitouch stuff, since there's both the ugly way and the beatiful way, I suggest you wait for now. |
| 17:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | MEH! :-/ media format not supported |
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| 17:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
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| 17:48.15 | Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk! saw that ages ago! |
| 17:48.33 | Noobmonk3y | wasnt that the first thing you tested on the fail screen? |
| 17:48.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: HOORAY, looks pretty nice: |
| 17:48.38 | lcuk | yes |
| 17:48.43 | DocScrutinizer | etc |
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| 17:49.16 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, i did extensive research and pretty much every screen i tried it on failed |
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| 17:49.24 | lcuk | so i didnt take it back in the end and luke has it now |
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| 17:50.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not going to dl this with wget, to find out none of my players knows how to playback it |
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| 17:52.45 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk... sounds like the boobies test should be a basic manufacturers test for multitouch!!! |
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| 17:53.18 | lcuk | well it is quick and simple enough to perform :) |
| 17:53.19 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: mhh |
| 17:53.36 | Noobmonk3y | whats the gay version? bum cheek test? |
| 17:53.59 | Noobmonk3y | brighton can get multitouch too, wohoooooo |
| 17:54.07 | Myrtti | oh good grief |
| 17:54.10 | lcuk | i dunno, do computers have touch panels on the backside? |
| 17:54.11 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 17:54.16 | RST38h | some do |
| 17:54.18 | Noobmonk3y | lol lcuk!!! |
| 17:54.27 | RST38h | In fact, a joypad at the backside is my favorite idea |
| 17:54.45 | Noobmonk3y | !!! |
| 17:55.24 | Noobmonk3y | you can tell when i join..... the conversation goes seriously downhill!! |
| 17:55.47 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I suggested implementing a capacitive MT TS to battery cover, some months ago |
| 17:55.47 | merlin1991 | indeed |
| 17:56.09 | Noobmonk3y | frals, trout |
| 17:56.16 | frals | slaps Noobmonk3y around a bit with a large trout |
| 17:56.20 | lcuk | RST38h, DocScrutinizer - its actually a really good principle and I am far from knocking it as a solid idea! |
| 17:56.22 | Noobmonk3y | wooop |
| 17:56.33 | Noobmonk3y | back latersl |
| 17:56.33 | lcuk | but it wouldnt work all time because of using device resting against things |
| 17:57.08 | Khertan | https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-October/029689.html |
| 17:57.10 | Khertan | mOUarAF |
| 17:57.51 | VilhelmO | guysm, Do you use a shield to protect the display? |
| 17:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: of course it's a complementary concept |
| 17:58.40 | lcuk | nods |
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| 17:59.34 | nid0 | VilhelmO personally I dont, a lot of people do though |
| 17:59.49 | nid0 | my device is in a case whenever it's not being used though |
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| 18:01.47 | CreamyG | can someone explain why adding liblua5.1-0 to my control file Depends: doesn't make it install? It's in Extras, installs fine manually, but dpkg or HAM just complain it's not installed yet |
| 18:05.52 | Khertan | CreamyG, maybe liblua isn't installable |
| 18:06.09 | CreamyG | of course it is, type apt-get liblua5.1-0 and its fine |
| 18:06.24 | CreamyG | or install my package that depends on it, type apt-get upgradge -f later, and it installs it |
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| 18:07.37 | Myrtti | hum |
| 18:07.42 | Khertan | yep ... the obscur error of HAM :) |
| 18:07.55 | CreamyG | dpkg does the same thing though, just with more info |
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| 18:08.05 | CreamyG | it says oooh its not installed, skipping configure |
| 18:08.09 | CreamyG | and leaves my thing half installed |
| 18:08.18 | nid0 | dpkg will do |
| 18:08.26 | Khertan | dpkg didn't install dependancies |
| 18:08.47 | CreamyG | well ham is just calling dpkg isn't it |
| 18:08.53 | nid0 | no, apt |
| 18:09.02 | Khertan | apt |
| 18:09.03 | Khertan | :) |
| 18:09.32 | CreamyG | hmmm does apt call dpkg? just wondering cuz i know the "faster app manager" uses it |
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| 18:10.23 | MohammadAG | fapman uses apt, apt is a frontend for dpkg |
| 18:10.44 | CreamyG | makes sense.. ok thx |
| 18:10.49 | MohammadAG | HAM doesn't call apt |
| 18:10.59 | MohammadAG | HAM calls apt-worker, which calls apt-get, which calls dpkg |
| 18:11.08 | MohammadAG | that first thing is what makes it slow |
| 18:12.14 | CreamyG | so is the fact that the library i need is in a bunch of repositories confusing it you think? cuz its duplicated in all branches of extras - testing & devl |
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| 18:13.04 | Khertan | grrr autobuilder seems to doesn't works as it should |
| 18:13.16 | MohammadAG | how come? |
| 18:13.23 | MohammadAG | CreamyG, no |
| 18:13.24 | Khertan | khweeteur stay in the queue |
| 18:13.36 | MohammadAG | CreamyG, you're either doing it wrong, or something's wrong with the device |
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| 18:13.41 | Khertan | koffice and pyside mobility was taken not khweeteur |
| 18:13.54 | Khertan | i got before a strange error : https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-October/029689.html |
| 18:14.01 | Khertan | ok ... will retry this tomorrow |
| 18:14.06 | Khertan | this is borring me :) |
| 18:14.17 | Khertan | stupid debian control file ! |
| 18:14.27 | Khertan | a space made things broken |
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| 18:16.36 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: I'm still not sure how it would be possible anyway, because either you'd need to push SDL events to the SDL event queue of the app, which would be easy enough but which is impossible if the app doesn't have the event queue exposed, which I strongly suspect (or do you think/know that the palm actually uses SDL events to communicate with a running game?) or you'd have to alter whatever the input device sends or whatever |
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| 18:17.08 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: that is normal SDL stuff. the ugly part I'm telling about is that you need 1.3 headers. |
| 18:17.22 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: SDL_PushEvent =) |
| 18:17.41 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: well I'd need the headers palm used, no? |
| 18:17.54 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: those are SDL1.3 mostly |
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| 18:18.21 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: but SDL_PushEvent only works "inside" an application. the queue is per context |
| 18:19.11 | javispedro | the queue is per-application, why you say otherwise? |
| 18:19.46 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: yes. then it is impossible to push an event to one of the existing games |
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| 18:20.29 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: I think you're grasping something wrong here... :P |
| 18:20.34 | Shapeshifter | possibly |
| 18:20.56 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: libsdlpre si a library that links with the application. so, it is now part of the application. |
| 18:21.13 | javispedro | if you alter the queue, you are altering the application's queue. |
| 18:21.24 | javispedro | not "the library's own copy of the queue", which doesn't exist. |
| 18:21.38 | Shapeshifter | ah haa |
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| 18:22.12 | Shapeshifter | so once a palm pre game runs, and I start a second palm pre game (or a custom made program that uses that lib), they all still use the same queue? |
| 18:22.31 | Shapeshifter | well that helps |
| 18:22.42 | javispedro | I should have used the word "process" instead of application. |
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| 18:22.51 | Noobmonk3y | oooo palm pre games on the N900? |
| 18:22.59 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:23.15 | Noobmonk3y | hi john! |
| 18:23.40 | Shapeshifter | javispedro: I see. And you're saying I'll be having trouble compiling my stuff |
| 18:24.53 | javispedro | Shapeshifter: I'm saying it will be a mess. |
| 18:25.11 | javispedro | sighs |
| 18:25.17 | javispedro | I did not want to do Preenv work today! |
| 18:25.20 | javispedro | goes to work |
| 18:25.27 | Shapeshifter | aww |
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| 18:26.13 | maybeWTF | seriously |
| 18:26.15 | maybeWTF | xplane alone... |
| 18:26.27 | maybeWTF | is a very happy camper o/ |
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| 18:27.47 | Shapeshifter | mhh, patch from palm towards SDL 1.2 has 16'000 lines |
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| 18:29.27 | MohammadAG | I'm selling my N900 for an N8, it was nice to be part of the community |
| 18:29.35 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!! |
| 18:29.41 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: it's a nice phone |
| 18:29.45 | Noobmonk3y | sit down comedian |
| 18:30.03 | Noobmonk3y | Mozillion, how much? |
| 18:30.10 | Noobmonk3y | Mohammadag_ even |
| 18:30.11 | MohammadAG | the N900? |
| 18:30.15 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 18:30.19 | javispedro | MohammadAG: no angry farewell note? |
| 18:30.26 | MohammadAG | about umm *quick in head conversion* |
| 18:30.33 | MohammadAG | 400 bucks |
| 18:30.42 | MohammadAG | YOU ALL SUCK!!!1111!!!!! |
| 18:30.46 | Noobmonk3y | bucks! lol :) |
| 18:30.46 | MohammadAG | Nokia, you suck!!! |
| 18:30.49 | MohammadAG | happy javispedro ? |
| 18:30.49 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 18:30.56 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: you can't beat qwerty12's exit, i'm sorry |
| 18:30.57 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:31.06 | Noobmonk3y | could always do with another phone :) |
| 18:31.11 | javispedro | MohammadAG: "you Nokia suck!" "now gimme N8!" |
| 18:31.12 | Noobmonk3y | Stskeeps, agreed |
| 18:31.14 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, I can swear, but I'm sure I don't want +b on a channel |
| 18:31.15 | javispedro | ;P |
| 18:31.38 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 18:31.45 | MohammadAG | ah who am I kidding, qwerty12 ftw at rants |
| 18:31.45 | Shapeshifter | query12 exited? |
| 18:31.48 | Shapeshifter | *ty |
| 18:32.05 | MohammadAG | takes Shapeshifter out of his cave |
| 18:32.23 | Noobmonk3y | meh.... MohammadAG if you're leaving i should leave too and get a brick.... i might be able to figure out brick coding..... |
| 18:32.23 | MohammadAG | no goodbyes? :( |
| 18:32.27 | Shapeshifter | you know, I don't *live* here ;) |
| 18:32.41 | Noobmonk3y | waves bye bye |
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| 18:32.52 | javispedro | MohammadAG: no sane person would take a Symbian phone instead of anything other. Sorry, that is not a credible threat for me! =) |
| 18:33.05 | Noobmonk3y | javispedro, threat? |
| 18:33.21 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 18:33.23 | MohammadAG | javispedro, you're suggesting I should get an iPhone? |
| 18:33.32 | MohammadAG | javispedro, how dare you? |
| 18:33.47 | timeless_mbp | dear lazyweb |
| 18:33.50 | javispedro | MohammadAG: just saying :) |
| 18:33.52 | Noobmonk3y | Mohammadag_ how about no phone? |
| 18:34.03 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, how would I troll on the go on tmo? |
| 18:34.04 | timeless_mbp | anyone have a *simple* way to compare two directories? |
| 18:34.11 | MohammadAG | diff? |
| 18:34.15 | Noobmonk3y | get some good porn, some bacon and some booze :) |
| 18:34.18 | timeless_mbp | a directory is equal to another directory if each file has the same content |
| 18:34.34 | timeless_mbp | a symlink is equal to another symlink if the path data encoded in the symlink is the same |
| 18:34.51 | timeless_mbp | the symlinks may be e.g. "../../foo" |
| 18:35.00 | timeless_mbp | foo may or may not exist |
| 18:35.21 | kerio | ESPECIALLY BACON |
| 18:35.26 | Noobmonk3y | timeless_mbp, we are saying goodbye to MohammadAG :) |
| 18:35.34 | timeless_mbp | Noobmonk3y: why? |
| 18:35.46 | timeless_mbp | but if symlink 1 points to /home/user/a and symlink 2 points to /home/user/b and the contents of a and b are the same |
| 18:35.47 | Noobmonk3y | he's getting an eye-phoney |
| 18:35.54 | Trizt | MohammadAG; I thought you would have yours for ever, eatleast until stable meego? |
| 18:35.55 | kerio | wat |
| 18:35.56 | timeless_mbp | then the symlinks are *not* the same |
| 18:35.57 | MohammadAG | nah, N8 |
| 18:36.07 | kerio | wait for the N9 :< |
| 18:36.13 | Noobmonk3y | N8 with an iTheme..... |
| 18:36.23 | MohammadAG | N8 with a Maemo theme :P |
| 18:36.28 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: diff -r fails miserably on the symlink case |
| 18:36.40 | Noobmonk3y | Mohammadag_ you suck..... trouts.... |
| 18:36.43 | RST38h | N8 with emacs... |
| 18:36.55 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: rsync |
| 18:37.08 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: a specific commandline is appreciated |
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| 18:37.22 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: no idea, never used it for this |
| 18:37.27 | timeless_mbp | we spent about an hour trying to figure out how to do it w/ rsync |
| 18:37.34 | MohammadAG | rm -rf |
| 18:37.36 | RST38h | A recent survey of 750 Australian schools has revealed that on average children have grown too large for their chairs and desks. |
| 18:37.44 | MohammadAG | that's what I do when something doesn't work out |
| 18:37.46 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: it would be trivial to create an script that outputs each symlink relative path and link contents |
| 18:37.53 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: then diff those two plain text files |
| 18:37.54 | Trizt | timeless_mbp; what are you trying to compare, the data or just the file names? |
| 18:38.01 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: maybe script it yourself, shouldnt be to hard |
| 18:38.05 | timeless_mbp | Trizt: data, raw data, not derefing symlinks |
| 18:38.12 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: or it should take 1 hour |
| 18:38.28 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: some files may be mb's large |
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| 18:38.37 | timeless_mbp | i don't really want to write my own file compare :( |
| 18:38.44 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: you dont need to |
| 18:38.45 | Noobmonk3y | suprised lcuk has kept quiet.... tis rare |
| 18:38.49 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: write a loop around cmp |
| 18:38.56 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: or diff |
| 18:38.59 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: or rsync |
| 18:39.11 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, i saw your bacon post :P |
| 18:39.27 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: still looking for command line args for rsync |
| 18:39.28 | Noobmonk3y | lol :) you mean u slurped at tit :) |
| 18:39.32 | timeless_mbp | we tried a bunch of things |
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| 18:39.34 | timeless_mbp | nothing worked |
| 18:39.40 | javispedro | I would do: for x in $files; do echo $x `readlink $x` > list; done in each of those two folders, then diff both list files. |
| 18:39.47 | MohammadAG | lcuk, and not my goodbye post? I'm disappointed |
| 18:39.47 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, i went through same issue when looking at optify stuff, i couldnt find a decent comparison other than dereferencing and then checking |
| 18:39.50 | timeless_mbp | note that a directory is not the same as another directory if one has a file not present in the other |
| 18:40.06 | lcuk | MohammadAG, if you were going you wouldnt request feedback |
| 18:40.34 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah, at that point i might as well use perl.. |
| 18:40.36 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: rsync with -p doesnt do what you want? |
| 18:40.38 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I'm not requesting feedback, I'm just asking for a farewell |
| 18:40.40 | timeless_mbp | (your code isn't whitespace safe) |
| 18:40.50 | lcuk | ok, cya tomorrow o\ |
| 18:40.51 | MohammadAG | anyways, if you hate giving those, bye :) |
| 18:40.53 | Noobmonk3y | mohammadag_ has hidden a secret in his ubuntu port, its a big f*ck you, installs the iphone over maemo i hear.... |
| 18:40.58 | timeless_mbp | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:40.59 | javispedro | timeless_mbp: it's nothing safe, it does not even check if file is a symlink or not, but you get the idea =) |
| 18:41.05 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: ^ that's rsync's -p... |
| 18:41.17 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: yeah, i know how to do that |
| 18:41.21 | kerio | MohammadAG51: you'll come crawling back |
| 18:41.23 | kerio | we all know that |
| 18:41.28 | timeless_mbp | i'd like to avoid writing my own dir walking code and such |
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| 18:41.40 | timeless_mbp | heck, i'd like to avoid writing my own program |
| 18:41.44 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51, sucks trouts ...... |
| 18:41.49 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: I understand you want to preserve symlinks while also comparing the contents |
| 18:42.12 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: um.. |
| 18:42.16 | javispedro | comparing, not overwiriting :P |
| 18:42.24 | timeless_mbp | basically on linux a symlink is "special" |
| 18:42.27 | valdyn | javispedro: same deal |
| 18:42.31 | timeless_mbp | i don't consider symlinks special |
| 18:42.38 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: i know what a symlink is |
| 18:42.41 | timeless_mbp | i want to read the underlying data that is in the actual symlink |
| 18:42.45 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: but i dont understand exactly what you want |
| 18:43.07 | timeless_mbp | dir1/foo: "hello world"} |
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| 18:43.16 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: dereference every symlink, is that it? |
| 18:43.26 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: roughly readlink |
| 18:44.09 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: understood that part correctly |
| 18:44.15 | timeless_mbp | s/:/ / |
| 18:45.08 | javispedro | valdyn: he wants to implement "f" in http://pastebin.com/r2QgYmBy |
| 18:45.57 | javispedro | (correct me if wrong) |
| 18:46.07 | timeless_mbp | that's correct for symlinks |
| 18:46.27 | timeless_mbp | dir4/a is a symlink to "../z" |
| 18:46.31 | valdyn | javispedro: understood |
| 18:46.32 | timeless_mbp | dir4/ has no other files |
| 18:46.34 | timeless_mbp | the other bits are f(dir1, dir4) := false |
| 18:47.00 | timeless_mbp | f(dir4, dir1) := false |
| 18:47.20 | timeless_mbp | dir5/a is a file with the same contents as x |
| 18:47.28 | timeless_mbp | dir5/b is a symlink to "../x" |
| 18:47.34 | timeless_mbp | f(dir1, dir5) := false |
| 18:47.36 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 18:48.11 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: or if not symlink, use data, if symlink, use linkpath |
| 18:48.25 | javispedro | sounds like perl already =) |
| 18:48.30 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: right... |
| 18:48.33 | timeless_mbp | javispedro: heh |
| 18:48.49 | timeless_mbp | it just seems incredibly lame to have to write a script for this |
| 18:49.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | gets goosepimples |
| 18:49.10 | javispedro | dunno, I guess we don't have any unix beard around |
| 18:50.21 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: doubt theres a single tool, find -type f should grab the files, find -type l should grab the links |
| 18:50.32 | Lynoure | Is there a 64bit flasher anywhere? |
| 18:50.39 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:50.43 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: at that point i'd need a programming language anyway |
| 18:50.45 | pupnik | for any website |
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| 18:51.00 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: yes |
| 18:51.05 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: bash |
| 18:51.19 | pupnik | ponders glx options |
| 18:51.23 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: imo bash is too quote unfriendly |
| 18:51.42 | valdyn | timeless_mbp: this is a 2-liner only |
| 18:51.48 | timeless_mbp | valdyn: let's see it? |
| 18:52.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | gets more goosepimples |
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| 18:52.53 | timeless_mbp | pupnik: you could probably do * { opacity: 50 } and html { background-color: black } |
| 18:52.56 | timeless_mbp | i wouldn't recommend it |
| 18:53.00 | timeless_mbp | the performance should be terrible |
| 18:53.29 | lcuk | pupnik, just turn down screen brightness |
| 18:53.29 | timeless_mbp | (that's the only thing that comes to mind offhand) |
| 18:53.30 | lcuk | or wear sunglasses |
| 18:53.55 | Shadikka | s/#[0-9a-f]/magic/i |
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| 18:55.56 | pupnik | lcuk: this is about lowering browser color so it doesn't glare-out the video i'm watching on the side |
| 18:56.21 | pupnik | you don't listen to all music at 100% volume, for example |
| 18:56.38 | lcuk | hmm pupnik on n900 or desktop/laptop? |
| 18:56.57 | pupnik | lappy |
| 18:57.09 | lcuk | easier then, there are nighttime stylesheets? |
| 18:57.29 | MohammadAG | was bored and fucking around, I'd never sell the N900, not till the N9 arrives |
| 18:57.34 | lcuk | on device it might be a problem to do full dynamic alteration |
| 18:57.37 | pupnik | yeah if there were some way to hit a button and darken webpages a bit |
| 18:57.39 | pupnik | true lcuk |
| 18:57.42 | MohammadAG | actually, I won't sell it at all |
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| 18:58.21 | BCMM_ | how did i not install queen beecon till now? |
| 18:58.29 | BCMM_ | it's splendid |
| 18:58.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG: see, I was right. No one in his sane mind swaps a true phone for a symbian device. |
| 18:59.36 | MohammadAG | it's not a phone :P |
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| 19:00.55 | javispedro | a true gadget. |
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| 19:01.14 | MohammadAG | more like it :P |
| 19:01.52 | MohammadAG | still wants to know how to fork a process and deattach it from the existing shell |
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| 19:02.18 | javispedro | "nohup"? |
| 19:02.20 | MohammadAG | and no, script & doesn't work, since if the parent shell dies, the process dies |
| 19:02.23 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 19:02.41 | javispedro | man nohup on a sane GNU platform :) |
| 19:03.06 | luke-jr | javispedro: does such a platform exist? |
| 19:03.21 | javispedro | luke-jr: you tell me |
| 19:04.17 | MohammadAG | ooh, nice |
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| 19:07.51 | Noobmonk3y | ~bacon |
| 19:07.51 | infobot | hmm... bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
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| 19:08.16 | Noobmonk3y | ~trout |
| 19:08.30 | Noobmonk3y | fail..... |
| 19:09.01 | maybeWTF | ~android |
| 19:09.01 | infobot | methinks android is an Open Handset Alliance Project by Google or an alleged Open Source phone software stack that's really not open. http://code.google.com/android/, or if it's sometime actually freed, someone might port it on the neo, but the provided binaries are incompatible |
| 19:09.35 | Noobmonk3y | ~lcuk |
| 19:09.35 | infobot | well, lcuk is a mighty good developer, best known for his work on liqbase and helping Nokia with the Identity project during the onedotzero event in London. |
| 19:09.48 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 19:09.50 | MohammadAG | hmm |
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| 19:09.59 | kerio | infobot: bacon is awesome |
| 19:09.59 | infobot | ACTION goes Footloose on is awesome, even though its illegal |
| 19:10.01 | Noobmonk3y | ~MohammadAG |
| 19:10.01 | MohammadAG | how do I use sed to remove ./ from ./mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:10.07 | kerio | wut |
| 19:10.26 | kerio | infobot: bacon Noobmonk3y |
| 19:10.26 | infobot | ACTION goes Footloose on Noobmonk3y, even though its illegal |
| 19:10.26 | kerio | what does that mean |
| 19:10.33 | kerio | oh, here we go |
| 19:10.34 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 19:10.45 | Noobmonk3y | infobot: MohammadAG has left #maemo . He failed..... trout.... |
| 19:10.53 | Noobmonk3y | lol!!!! |
| 19:10.57 | kerio | nice |
| 19:10.57 | Noobmonk3y | ~MohammadAG |
| 19:11.07 | Noobmonk3y | failboat |
| 19:11.25 | Noobmonk3y | welcome back Mo |
| 19:11.27 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, any ideas? |
| 19:11.30 | javispedro | Noobmonk3y: use "to be", not "to have". |
| 19:11.41 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: sed 's/\.\///' |
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| 19:11.59 | maybeWTF | ~n8 |
| 19:12.01 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: unless i misunderstand the question |
| 19:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | why do you use sed, anyway |
| 19:12.09 | MohammadAG | oh, '' |
| 19:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | wouldn't a basename do better |
| 19:12.11 | Myrtti | could you please quit fooling around with the bot |
| 19:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 19:12.18 | MohammadAG | sed s/.\///g didn't work |
| 19:12.19 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 19:12.21 | MohammadAG | thanks BCMM_ |
| 19:12.26 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, basename? |
| 19:12.29 | maybeWTF | by the way, does anybody else find that ad where they put the n8 to "power" robots & whatnot slightly insulting? |
| 19:12.32 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg/info$ find -name mp-fremantle*.list | sed s/.list//g | sed 's/\.\///' |
| 19:12.32 | MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-generic-pr |
| 19:12.36 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: i guess that's because you need to escape the . too |
| 19:12.37 | Noobmonk3y | s/meh/meh meh/ |
| 19:12.51 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, tried that |
| 19:12.55 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: it is indeed true that basename would be easier here |
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| 19:14.07 | Noobmonk3y | frals, why so quiet? |
| 19:14.31 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: |
| 19:14.32 | Khertan | someone have the right to admin maemo builder ? seems he didn't want to build my package :) |
| 19:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | jr@halley:~> basename /home/jr/.xinitrc.template |
| 19:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | .xinitrc.template |
| 19:14.44 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/var/lib/dpkg/info# basename mp-fremantle-*.list |
| 19:14.44 | MohammadAG | mp-fremantle-generic-pr.list |
| 19:14.50 | Noobmonk3y | that sounds geeky! |
| 19:14.51 | MohammadAG | I need to remove the extension |
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| 19:15.36 | DocScrutinizer | how much of it? |
| 19:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | til first dot, til last dot? |
| 19:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | meh, need to fetch my pizza |
| 19:15.56 | DocScrutinizer | bbl |
| 19:16.02 | Noobmonk3y | emjoy |
| 19:16.06 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 19:16.25 | Noobmonk3y | wishes there was 48 hours in a day! |
| 19:16.52 | gregoa | MohammadAG: "basename mp-fremantle-*.list .list" |
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| 19:19.13 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/ag6VULmS so this should work right? |
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| 19:20.23 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: will there be only one file matching /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list? |
| 19:20.28 | BCMM_ | and did you mean to put .list in twice? |
| 19:20.34 | sar3th | yo guys, does anyone know which song they used here? http://maemo.nokia.com/videos/introducing-maemo-5/ |
| 19:20.49 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, yes, and <gregoa> MohammadAG: "basename mp-fremantle-*.list .list" |
| 19:20.52 | gregoa | BCMM_: the tailing .list is to cut off the .list extension |
| 19:21.06 | gregoa | and yes, there should be only one |
| 19:21.14 | BCMM_ | gregoa: ah, didn't know basename did that |
| 19:21.21 | gregoa | MohammadAG: I'd just try it with "echo" before "dpkg" :) |
| 19:21.23 | MohammadAG | didn't know about basename |
| 19:21.43 | MohammadAG | it's not a needed package really |
| 19:21.45 | MohammadAG | tries script |
| 19:22.05 | BCMM_ | right before i found out about basename, i did horrid things in sed too |
| 19:22.36 | gregoa | always forgets about basename but remembers the second parameter |
| 19:22.53 | sar3th | the media player in the video says "Grum - Go Back", but i couldn't find that track anywhere, only "Le Castle Vania Remix" which is pretty close, so i wondered whether anyone knows whether there is an original version of the song and where to get it |
| 19:23.08 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: well, i'm sure it's a very, very tiny program |
| 19:24.46 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: since it's presumably mostly just a call to basename() from libgen.h |
| 19:25.14 | BCMM_ | also, i suspect it's in POSIX or something and loads of stuff uses it |
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| 19:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: always "tick" $vars in script! otherwise just a silly "space in filename" will break things, not to mention doom coming from more weird stuff |
| 19:30.32 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I know, but the $vars should not have space files in this case |
| 19:30.50 | DocScrutinizer | mv foo ';rm -rf /;' |
| 19:30.59 | MohammadAG | this is BS ... http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_n9-3398.php |
| 19:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | mv /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list '/var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-foo;rm -rf /;.list' |
| 19:32.58 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: "the $vars should not have space files in this case" - famous last words... |
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| 19:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | yep :-P |
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| 19:34.06 | luke-jr | you know, Microsoft really did have a good idea with that "Program Files"⦠|
| 19:34.11 | DocScrutinizer | seen even commercial .doc->.pdf converters fail when the *.doc had a filename with a space :-P |
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| 19:34.22 | BCMM_ | MohammadAG: as in the specs are stupid, or as in the specs are unsourced fabrication? |
| 19:35.20 | MohammadAG | BCMM_, both |
| 19:35.26 | MohammadAG | more of the former |
| 19:35.59 | MohammadAG | I thought it was a higher res |
| 19:36.13 | MohammadAG | and OMAP3 |
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| 19:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | - Handwriting recognition PFFFFT |
| 19:38.11 | DocScrutinizer | ofc, + c-ts |
| 19:38.15 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: N900 is OMAP3⦠|
| 19:38.41 | BCMM_ | flash lite seems extremely improbable to me |
| 19:39.23 | DocScrutinizer | 1 GB ROM! WTF? don't they know diff tween NAND and ROM? |
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| 19:39.30 | luke-jr | lol |
| 19:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes, BT with USB-OTG support |
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| 19:41.31 | BCMM_ | also, WAP? seriously? |
| 19:41.42 | Myrtti | Java: yes, MIDP2 |
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| 19:41.58 | DocScrutinizer | and snapdragon, errr... *cough* |
| 19:42.11 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, yes, so? |
| 19:42.18 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I'm talking about the N9 |
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| 19:44.46 | Myrtti | mmmmmm the smell of freshly washed clothes - and lovely soft jammies |
| 19:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | hmmmm pizza |
| 19:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | I can't wait to see "Voice command/dial" |
| 19:47.28 | lcuk | "computer, warm jammies" |
| 19:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | on meego HE (==maemo, basically) |
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| 19:48.21 | DocScrutinizer | really curious what blob abomination Nokia is shoving down our throat this time |
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| 19:48.58 | Myrtti | lcuk: oy, I did laundry all by myself! |
| 19:49.06 | Myrtti | no need for computer in that... |
| 19:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'd actually accept a blob if only it works on maemo too |
| 19:49.23 | lcuk | ok then "Myrtti, warm jammies" |
| 19:50.48 | Myrtti | *slap* wash your own |
| 19:51.29 | ioan | I was playing NOVA on my n900, after completing the training, how do you go to the next level? :-) |
| 19:52.51 | lcuk | Myrtti, :D but you do them so well |
| 19:53.03 | lcuk | puts them in the dryer for a bit |
| 19:53.26 | CutMeOwnThroat | he says that a lot |
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| 19:54.18 | GAN900 | sighs. |
| 19:54.31 | GAN900 | Broken image of the puddle of piss. |
| 19:54.35 | Stskeeps | hmm? |
| 19:54.38 | Myrtti | anyway, whole day has been full of fail so I might as well go to bed, perhaps tomorrow isn't going to be so full of fuckups as today... then again, I've said that for two months now, and it's mainly gotten just worse. |
| 19:54.49 | GAN900 | Locking it before Image processing is done is apparently bad for your photos. |
| 19:55.22 | lcuk | Myrtti, are you performing similar tasks as we have discussed in the past? |
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| 19:55.43 | Myrtti | lcuk: probably worse |
| 19:55.44 | lcuk | or is this a different level of fail |
| 19:56.03 | lcuk | then gimme your jammies, I will rewarm them for you |
| 19:56.09 | acemo | would it be possible to use flasher 3.5 on a pure 64-bit linux? |
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| 19:58.15 | Myrtti | but perhaps tomorrow I'll get an assesment on how much fixing my phone will cost |
| 19:59.51 | ShadowJK | myrtti: what's wrong with it |
| 20:00.00 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: try to top today's fuckups tomorrow - "just let's see how evil it gets if I push". I bet you'll find the day went by and not even 50% of the expected fuckups were successful, so in the end a better day |
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| 20:00.19 | Myrtti | ShadowJK: wanna see a video? I've made a video |
| 20:01.18 | Myrtti | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUjQ9uGynyA ten minutes of lovely classical piano music in a loop, with a couple of jokes. |
| 20:01.28 | ShadowJK | can't view videos right now, so a description would be cool |
| 20:01.47 | Myrtti | and sorry, no, it's not a Nokia phone. A Nexus One being stuck in boot |
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| 20:02.28 | ShadowJK | aw |
| 20:02.50 | ShadowJK | man how/where do you even get those fixed |
| 20:03.07 | DocScrutinizer | junkyard? |
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| 20:03.58 | MohammadAG | have I covered all cases http://pastebin.com/TkKrayVA ? |
| 20:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | nah, probably Radiology at hospital |
| 20:04.11 | MohammadAG | pokes DocScrutinizer and lcuk ^ |
| 20:04.13 | habmala | hi all, I'm looking for a place to request apps on the site. I know I've seen them around on both forum and wiki. It feels better using an existing thread than just starting a new one. Does anyone have a link? |
| 20:04.15 | Myrtti | that is a good question. The first question I was asked at the place was "do you have a warranty certificate" and I said "would you believe that the only proof that I've got this device is a tick by my name on a big list, kept in the filing cabinet of Chris diBona at Google HQ?" |
| 20:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | stop posting, I can't click it :-P |
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| 20:05.01 | Myrtti | the girl smiled and said "I do, but I don't know if the guys will, so I'll just file this phone under 'no warranty certificate available'" |
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| 20:08.22 | gregoa | MohammadAG: line 6 can be written as "ps ax | grep -q [a]pt-worker". -q instead of the redirect, and user a pattern saves the "grep -v grep". please note that I've only tested with GNU grep, not sure about busybox |
| 20:09.11 | gregoa | MohammadAG: aptitude is not covered. but in general I think killing running processing is a bit brutal. I'd rather "exit 1" after the "echo please exit ..." |
| 20:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | gregoa: nice |
| 20:09.43 | MohammadAG | gregoa, (killing), the script is run from postinst, there's no other way |
| 20:09.52 | DocScrutinizer | and ack for the "bit brute" |
| 20:09.55 | gregoa | MohammadAG: why is there a "read kexpress" for HAM but not for apt/dpkg/(apt-get/aptitude) |
| 20:10.16 | MohammadAG | forgot about it, haven't tested the script |
| 20:10.25 | gregoa | MohammadAG: ok, postinst was the piece I missed :) |
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| 20:11.03 | gregoa | (pgrep also works instead of "ps ax | grep foo" but only if it's installed ...) |
| 20:11.04 | MohammadAG | gregoa, I need to fork it from the postinst, then ask the user to close HAM since they will most probably have it open |
| 20:11.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also you may see races, as you wait on several places, and test conditions only once. I'd restart the whole script on any error, to recheck all |
| 20:11.25 | DocScrutinizer | gregoa: no pgrep in messybox |
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| 20:12.19 | gregoa | DocScrutinizer: it's in busybox-symlinks-procps, no idea if this is installed by default. OTOH I'm sure I haven't installed it myself :) |
| 20:12.42 | DocScrutinizer | let's see |
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| 20:13.10 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia-N900-02-8:~# busybox pgrep --help |
| 20:13.11 | DocScrutinizer | BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso26+0m5) multi-call binary |
| 20:13.13 | DocScrutinizer | Usage: pgrep [-flnovx] pattern |
| 20:14.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: killall apt-worker isn't doing what you hope it does I guess. apt won't exit instantly, instead it probably does cleanup to exit gracefully, and this takes time |
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| 20:15.38 | gregoa | hm. in fact I'm not sure if running dpkg from a running dpkg (postinst) works at all. |
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| 20:16.53 | MohammadAG | gregoa, that's why I fork it... |
| 20:17.11 | MohammadAG | that's not the postinst itself |
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| 20:17.27 | gregoa | ah. sounds like an adventurous exercise but might be worth trying :) |
| 20:17.28 | MohammadAG | this is the postinst, nohup osso-xterm "sudo /root/script.sh" & exit |
| 20:17.45 | MohammadAG | should be exit 0 |
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| 20:18.25 | MohammadAG | btw why does update-sudoers make my postinst exit with status 255 if I don't use exit 0? |
| 20:19.21 | gregoa | MohammadAG: I'm probably missing something but wouldn't an mp-fremantle-community-pr package that has a "Conflicts: mp-fremantle-foo, mp-fremantle-bar, ..." be enough the replace them? |
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| 20:23.19 | luke-jr | MohammadAG: why *wouldn't* N9 be OMAP3? |
| 20:23.57 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, you're missing the point, it says snapdragon |
| 20:24.03 | MohammadAG | read up |
| 20:24.14 | MohammadAG | gregoa, HAM says package conflicts, unable to install |
| 20:24.17 | MohammadAG | or something on that line |
| 20:24.19 | luke-jr | cool, even better than OMAP |
| 20:24.33 | MohammadAG | luke-jr, I'm saying the specs are BS |
| 20:24.35 | gregoa | MohammadAG: ok, I feared something like that. silly HAM. |
| 20:24.36 | luke-jr | :p |
| 20:24.45 | MohammadAG | gregoa, Replaces: is ignored |
| 20:25.16 | gregoa | MohammadAG: Replaces wouldn't be necessary since, AFAIK, mp-fremantle-* doesn't contain any files |
| 20:25.31 | MohammadAG | indeed |
| 20:25.49 | luke-jr | mp-fremantle-pizza-pr |
| 20:26.16 | mece | aaahaha |
| 20:26.20 | mece | LOLpost: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=855074&postcount=10 |
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| 20:27.51 | habmala | In lack of a better place I just posted to the apps section of the forum.. |
| 20:28.19 | habmala | hope it gets through to the right people ;) |
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| 20:34.11 | ShadowJK | well, cmt has only crashed 25 times in 10 hours. This is maybe half of what it did before I handed in my N900 for repairing cmt |
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| 20:34.37 | ShadowJK | it was 0 November - September :/ |
| 20:34.46 | ShadowJK | sighs |
| 20:34.57 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: oops, cmt crashs are definitely something Nokia should have fixed for good |
| 20:35.26 | ShadowJK | They don't happen when you have it on a tablet or in a jig or whatever |
| 20:35.57 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: still it might be difficult as could be caused by BTS brainfsck |
| 20:36.50 | ShadowJK | No it's quite strongly correlated with sudden movements |
| 20:37.03 | ShadowJK | Like say having it in trouser pocket and walking |
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| 20:37.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: e.g. PWRLVL tx power attenuation - which is controlled by BTS via sending cmd to MT - could do havoc due to non-stds- conforming protocol |
| 20:38.34 | DocScrutinizer | or the freq-adjust does, which is roughly working similarly |
| 20:38.37 | ShadowJK | before I sent it in, pressing k on keyboard would make it drop connection |
| 20:38.48 | ruskie | hmm is the power kernel compatible with pr1.3? |
| 20:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 20:38.58 | DocScrutinizer | thao doubtt's mechanical, n |
| 20:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | grrrr |
| 20:39.09 | ruskie | also is there a less-than power kernel where it only enables various vanilla stuff? |
| 20:39.19 | DocScrutinizer | that's mechanical, no doubt |
| 20:39.37 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 20:39.45 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: power-kernel is pre-1.3 |
| 20:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | pester titan to update |
| 20:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | or maybe MohammadAG does |
| 20:40.22 | ShadowJK | I had hoped my N900 would last until next device :-( |
| 20:40.23 | Stskeeps | if he didn't get eaten by the lemmings in the overclock thread |
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| 20:40.26 | ruskie | I guess I'll have to figure out how to roll my own... since it has way to many fiddly bits... just want the same kernel but with a lot of extra modules |
| 20:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: hehehehe >:-) |
| 20:41.08 | MohammadAG | does what? |
| 20:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | power-kernel 1.3 |
| 20:42.08 | DocScrutinizer | I.E throw titan's patches on stock 1.3 kernel |
| 20:42.23 | ruskie | or maybe make a non-patched one |
| 20:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | err wut? |
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| 20:42.47 | ruskie | just enable all the various extras |
| 20:42.58 | DocScrutinizer | this ARE the patches ;-) |
| 20:43.08 | ruskie | no |
| 20:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, no idea |
| 20:43.16 | ruskie | the various patches are for the various fidly OCing and other crap |
| 20:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | ruskie: you'll have to do that yourself |
| 20:44.00 | ruskie | as soon as I figure out how to |
| 20:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | nobody wants to strip down an augmented kernel so you feel more comfy with it |
| 20:45.22 | DocScrutinizer | or is there *any* other benefit in that exercise, beyond you feeling better? |
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| 20:47.11 | DocScrutinizer | well, module a few 100k smaller size of vmlinuz maybe |
| 20:47.20 | DocScrutinizer | modulo* |
| 20:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: AIUI we got a 2MB kernel partition, which - I seem to have heard - even gets small without uBoot. Any plans how to tackle that, or am I mistaken? |
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| 20:49.46 | Stskeeps | there's a 2mb initrd partition if you're so included.. |
| 20:50.05 | Stskeeps | inclined |
| 20:50.36 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: http://tree.celinuxforum.org/pipermail/celinux-dev/2010-January/001995.html |
| 20:50.38 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, suggestion for better hotswap |
| 20:50.49 | MohammadAG51 | insert battery, remove charger, start bme |
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| 20:51.00 | MohammadAG51 | no need to lock/unlock to get screen back |
| 20:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | ok, goot find :-) |
| 20:51.24 | DocScrutinizer | good* |
| 20:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | damn, sorry. Doc needs coffee |
| 20:51.49 | ShadowJK | wonders if the "use another phone's internet connection on N900 over bluetooth" ever got to a working stage |
| 20:51.55 | ruskie | hmm anyone used that free flasher to flash stuff to the n900 yet? |
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| 20:52.06 | ShadowJK | I could maybe use my old cellphone to give cellular access to N900 :/ |
| 20:53.05 | MohammadAG | ruskie, PaulFertser I think |
| 20:53.19 | ruskie | successfully? |
| 20:53.19 | PaulFertser | ruskie: yes |
| 20:53.32 | PaulFertser | ruskie: for flashing and turning R&D mode, yes. |
| 20:53.42 | ruskie | just want to flash a test kernel |
| 20:53.50 | PaulFertser | ruskie: unsuccessfully for backing up a flashed kernel. |
| 20:54.01 | ruskie | gah... why do I keep forgetting what it's named... |
| 20:54.08 | MohammadAG | 0xFFFF |
| 20:54.17 | ruskie | thanks |
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| 20:55.31 | KaffeeJunky1231 | I've some strange issues with pr1.3, applications I've installed from the repos don't showup anywhere and even with mc I can't find their executables. Namely the load-applet and the cpumem-load programm do have this issue. |
| 20:56.13 | KaffeeJunky1231 | Any ideas how to solve that problem? |
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| 20:56.29 | MohammadAG | ... |
| 20:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | >>(Try running your rootkit on _that_ box.)<< LOL |
| 20:57.01 | MohammadAG | load-applet is loaded on the status menu, no icon |
| 20:57.49 | mikki-kun | so... i am about to remake my n900 as i have pretty much stuff on it which i don't want anymore and it got a lil more messed up than i wanted... should i go with pr 1.3 or still stick to pr 1.2? |
| 20:57.50 | SpeedEvil | it's a shared library of hildon-desktop |
| 20:58.05 | MohammadAG | 1.3 |
| 20:58.05 | SpeedEvil | all toolbar widgets are |
| 20:58.06 | KaffeeJunky1231 | Oh :> |
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| 20:58.14 | SpeedEvil | ->kaf |
| 20:58.27 | KaffeeJunky1231 | My bad |
| 20:58.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: Stskeeps: anyway my question targeted direction partitioning, not downsizing kernel to a 'hello world' 0.0.1 version |
| 20:58.38 | mikki-kun | MohammadAG: anything really major fixed which i will see? |
| 20:58.40 | BCMM_ | is there a nice list somewhere of exactly what the differences between the regional versions of maemo are? |
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| 20:58.59 | MohammadAG | other than stuttering, no |
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| 20:59.31 | mikki-kun | so... nokia fixes the n900 stuttering and just leaves it now in the wild all alone by itself?! |
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| 20:59.38 | mikki-kun | cool, at least it knows how to talk... |
| 20:59.49 | BCMM_ | which stuttering? the interface being slow when the CPU is loaded? |
| 20:59.54 | ruskie | what stuttering? |
| 21:00.46 | BCMM_ | actually, does anyone know a single difference between the UK and USA version of maemo? |
| 21:00.56 | ruskie | probably wifi firmware |
| 21:01.03 | BCMM_ | oh, permitted bands... |
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| 21:01.39 | BCMM_ | if i use the wrong region, i'm still not going to get in anyone's way unless someone is operating an AP on the wrong band though, right? |
| 21:01.58 | Turski | Does someone have usable FM transmitter on PR1.3? |
| 21:02.12 | Turski | or working boost |
| 21:02.13 | BCMM_ | heh, as it happens my router can do that band they only use in Japan |
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| 21:02.31 | MohammadAG | Turski, boost was patched in kernel |
| 21:02.37 | MohammadAG | (cc PaulFertser) |
| 21:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: right |
| 21:02.58 | ruskie | MohammadAG, as in not possible any more? |
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| 21:03.13 | MohammadAG | ruskie, reverse kernel patches and compile, then replace module |
| 21:03.25 | MohammadAG | short answer, not on stock |
| 21:03.26 | Turski | damn ;S |
| 21:03.31 | ruskie | fun |
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| 21:03.35 | BCMM_ | so what does global permit? all wifi bands, or just wifi bands that are OK everywhere? |
| 21:03.41 | Turski | the transmitter is totally unusable with 1.3 |
| 21:03.45 | wmarone | BCMM: most can, they just disable it in software |
| 21:03.55 | DocScrutinizer | long answer: needs kernel module reloading |
| 21:03.55 | ruskie | I guess I'll need to bother rolling my own kernel-sane build or something... will see |
| 21:04.08 | Turski | had to bring N900 just 2cm from the radio antenna to be able to hear something from radio |
| 21:04.30 | BCMM_ | so, short of me accidentally creating an ad-hoc wireless network on a band which interferes with something, can anyone think of a way that using the wrong region could actually be antisocial? |
| 21:04.42 | Turski | it hasn't been that sucky with PR1.2 even without boost |
| 21:04.44 | ruskie | illegal |
| 21:05.01 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, or replacing, then rebooting |
| 21:05.22 | PaulFertser | Turski: just rmmod and modprobe again the fmtx driver. |
| 21:05.29 | BCMM_ | ruskie: i'm not bothered about that, unless it's illegal enough for me to get caught |
| 21:05.44 | Turski | PaulFertser: how would that help? do i need a patched module? |
| 21:05.56 | PaulFertser | Turski: the driver remembers lock only until after a reload. |
| 21:06.10 | Turski | oh :O |
| 21:06.20 | PaulFertser | Turski: i've no idea who exactly locks it though, but i guess if you start boost right after module reloading, it'll work. |
| 21:07.40 | Turski | i also complained yesterday about weird 2 seconds freeze on audio when pressing power button, but that has disappeared O_o |
| 21:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: replacing is a nice permanent fix. Reloading is just fixing the blown write-once fuse |
| 21:08.51 | MohammadAG | + * Fixes: NB#155346 - FMTX power level setting & FMTX disabling |
| 21:08.51 | MohammadAG | + settings to be more robust |
| 21:08.53 | MohammadAG | nice wording |
| 21:09.04 | ruskie | hmm boost works for me |
| 21:09.14 | ruskie | atleast that I can tell |
| 21:09.18 | tybollt | look i didnt ask you that, you're taking it all out of context fuckhead |
| 21:09.21 | ruskie | without it need to basically move it to the antena |
| 21:09.25 | DocScrutinizer | know what? this reminds me of core-wars |
| 21:09.32 | ruskie | tybollt, ??? |
| 21:09.35 | tybollt | ehr that was NOT the correct window, sorry |
| 21:09.38 | ruskie | lol |
| 21:09.39 | Turski | ruskie: doesn't work for me |
| 21:09.54 | ruskie | but when I enable boost I can be up to half a meter away or so |
| 21:10.07 | Turski | ruskie: it had awesome range when connected a charger and enabled boost after that :P |
| 21:10.44 | Turski | range of many meters at least |
| 21:11.02 | Turski | (yeah, probably not legal :P ) |
| 21:11.09 | DocScrutinizer | fsckit |
| 21:11.17 | DocScrutinizer | whocares |
| 21:11.34 | Turski | but now it just doesn't work |
| 21:11.55 | DocScrutinizer | Turski: see MohammadAG ^^^ |
| 21:12.07 | Turski | yeah |
| 21:12.27 | DocScrutinizer | and PaulFertser of course, he found it |
| 21:12.58 | Turski | need to try that reloading next time |
| 21:13.18 | MohammadAG | built the 1.2 module against 1.3 headers |
| 21:13.51 | Turski | i'm not really familiar with compiling stuff on/for maemo |
| 21:14.21 | Turski | MohammadAG: would probably want to share that module if it's working fine? |
| 21:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: don't worry! worries are antisocial |
| 21:15.00 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko |
| 21:15.03 | MohammadAG | have not tested it |
| 21:15.11 | MohammadAG | but I don't see why it shouldn't work |
| 21:15.35 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM_: just listen to Frank Zappa, Joe's Garage |
| 21:15.44 | Turski | MohammadAG: ok, thanks |
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| 21:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: VERMAGIC correct? |
| 21:16.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, same VERMAGIC, PR1.3 didn't change it |
| 21:17.54 | MohammadAG | Turski, so, does it work? |
| 21:18.26 | kwtm | Question for all of you: if I am fine with Maemo PR 1.2 on my N900, is it worth upgrading (OTA) to PR 1.3? |
| 21:18.42 | GAN900 | kwtm, it's mostly neutral. |
| 21:19.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: so any PR1.2 *.ko should still work? :-o |
| 21:19.01 | kwtm | I see some of you said PR 1.3 but would like various opinions. |
| 21:19.12 | GAN900 | I'm not entirely convinced they did anything but make us download 84MBs of packages. |
| 21:19.16 | Turski | MohammadAG: can't test right now |
| 21:19.23 | Turski | MohammadAG: but will try tomorrow |
| 21:19.39 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, might say invalid module format or something about symbols, different headers |
| 21:19.41 | kwtm | GAN900: I see. Okay, will see how things go first. I'll stay with 1.2. (I recall some people went from 1.1 to 1.2 and some things broke) |
| 21:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: then Nokia FAILWALE |
| 21:20.27 | MohammadAG | prefers the term FAILCHERRY |
| 21:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: wise. *me* same |
| 21:21.11 | ruskie | well managed to build a bootable kernel |
| 21:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | >>GIVE NOKIA YOUR CHERRIES!<< |
| 21:21.26 | ruskie | now just need to configure it and rebuild again |
| 21:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | ...and make the new config actually work as expected ;-P |
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| 21:22.11 | andre__ | GAN900: Well, the 84MB included some fixes (see Bugzilla query link on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 ) and a few new bugs as usual. You know the game... |
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| 21:22.52 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: yes. A nice new one: SMS disappears |
| 21:23.11 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer: yupp. see workaround in 11456 |
| 21:23.23 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, there's a workaround? |
| 21:23.29 | DocScrutinizer | bug 11456 |
| 21:23.30 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11456 History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 |
| 21:23.32 | ruskie | DocScrutinizer, that's what worries me yes... work as expected... but then I don't have much... I want a fb console, pptp support, iptables, possibly some other things... |
| 21:23.45 | andre__ | it's actually not even a new bug. has happened before, but now more people run into it. weird. |
| 21:23.52 | ruskie | anyway sleep |
| 21:24.44 | DocScrutinizer | heh! andre__ : >>Please don't close as FIXED when there's no software fix involved...<< :-> |
| 21:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | andre__: is WONTFIX appropriate then? ;-P |
| 21:25.21 | andre__ | WONTFIX is appropriate when Nokia says that it's a WONTFIX. so far they have not said to me. |
| 21:25.31 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:25.41 | GAN900 | andre__, boy do I ever. |
| 21:25.43 | andre__ | however their usual silence on some reports sucks even more |
| 21:25.51 | GAN900 | Welcome to 2006. |
| 21:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | a quite unexpected statement of you anyway |
| 21:26.04 | andre__ | DocScrutinizer, hmm? what exactly? |
| 21:26.14 | DocScrutinizer | the "Don't close..." |
| 21:26.33 | andre__ | well. it's simply not FIXED just because there is a workaround. it's fixed when it does not happen anymore. |
| 21:26.36 | DocScrutinizer | nothing wrong with it, just was puzzled and read it 3 times |
| 21:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | WTF!! |
| 21:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | netsplit-day |
| 21:27.11 | andre__ | GAN900, hmm? |
| 21:27.13 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# echo 118 > power_level |
| 21:27.13 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# cat power_level |
| 21:27.15 | MohammadAG | 118 |
| 21:27.18 | MohammadAG | muhahaha |
| 21:27.24 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:27.37 | DocScrutinizer | thumbs up, MohammadAG |
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| 21:27.46 | MohammadAG | Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063# cat power_level |
| 21:27.46 | MohammadAG | 120 |
| 21:27.46 | MohammadAG | even better |
| 21:27.46 | renato | MohammadAG51, ping |
| 21:28.00 | MohammadAG | pong |
| 21:28.06 | DocScrutinizer | renato: he's here |
| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: kudos for spotting this madness (fmtx) |
| 21:29.30 | renato | MohammadAG, I saw your application VertSMS, btw is a great app |
| 21:29.36 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: without compiling anything: http://paste.debian.net/98526/ |
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| 21:29.51 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: ?? |
| 21:29.56 | renato | MohammadAG, but looking in the code I saw you are using QString from PyQt4 |
| 21:30.00 | DocScrutinizer | copy of pr1.2 *.ko? |
| 21:30.10 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: it's not me spotting, i just looked at the code after someone hinted it might do that. |
| 21:30.20 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: no, plain stock module, just reloaded. |
| 21:30.24 | renato | <PROTECTED> |
| 21:30.53 | MohammadAG | renato, read the description :) |
| 21:31.01 | MohammadAG | ossipenna's the dev, I'm the maintainer |
| 21:31.02 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: I see |
| 21:31.29 | PaulFertser | Probably need "echo fuck > lock" after that to make the stock firmware unable to downplay the power level back :) |
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| 21:32.13 | renato | MohammadAG, ok sorry, I will ask him later, thanks |
| 21:33.25 | MohammadAG | #define DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL88 <-- is this ignored by FMTXD? |
| 21:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: wtf is that "0" and crap printing to terminat *on a CAT* |
| 21:33.46 | DocScrutinizer | err, nevermind |
| 21:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | hopes for coffe to kick in finally |
| 21:34.29 | kerio | the DEFAULT_POWER_LEVEL... |
| 21:34.40 | kerio | IT'S OVER 80!!! |
| 21:34.48 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: still there's some weird differences between your first and your 2nd try |
| 21:35.41 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: first try is after a regular boot. I guess some app in the process first sets power level to 118, then locks it. |
| 21:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | 1 118 118 vs 0 0 120 |
| 21:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | any hint about semantics of that? |
| 21:37.12 | DocScrutinizer | on/off, actual, limit? |
| 21:37.36 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 21:37.40 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: lock, power_level before trying to change, power_level after trying to change. |
| 21:37.41 | MohammadAG | how do I force module unloading |
| 21:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | or locked instead of on/off? |
| 21:37.52 | DocScrutinizer | hah! |
| 21:38.03 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe -r |
| 21:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: ^^^ |
| 21:38.08 | MohammadAG | it's in use |
| 21:38.27 | MohammadAG | nevermind, it got freed up |
| 21:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | rhen unload the modules that use it, and close the apps that open it |
| 21:38.40 | DrWilken | modprobe -rf |
| 21:38.53 | DocScrutinizer | usually doesn't work afaik |
| 21:39.22 | DocScrutinizer | just like umount -f |
| 21:39.58 | MohammadAG | umount -l* |
| 21:40.18 | DrWilken | didn't know that one ;) |
| 21:40.22 | DocScrutinizer | for modprobe there's not even a -f mentioned in --help |
| 21:40.31 | DrWilken | "Lazy unmount" |
| 21:40.48 | BugBlue | rmmod -f / insmod -f |
| 21:40.57 | DrWilken | DocS: there is on ubuntu |
| 21:41.07 | DrWilken | man page |
| 21:42.26 | DocScrutinizer | DrWilken: but -f is just to ignore modversion and vermagic |
| 21:43.02 | DrWilken | aaah so it probably won't work when unloading anyway |
| 21:43.20 | DocScrutinizer | modprobe [ -r ] [ -v ] [ -n ] [ -i ] [ modulename ... ] |
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| 21:48.56 | DocScrutinizer | BugBlue: hmm, though modprobe is supposed to be the replacement for rmmod, it seems rmmod has some nice features unsupported by modprobe |
| 21:49.00 | DrWilken | rmmod -f? |
| 21:49.11 | DrWilken | just googled it too :D |
| 21:49.14 | DocScrutinizer | BugBlue: thanks for that |
| 21:49.27 | BugBlue | hth - hand *gone for now* |
| 21:49.39 | DrWilken | http://mandrivausers.org/index.php?/topic/8736-is-there-a-way-to-safely-force-a-module-to-unload/ |
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| 21:50.30 | nomis | ... to safely force ... |
| 21:50.51 | DrWilken | -f (or --force) forces a module unload, and may crash your machine. This requires the Forced Module Removal option when the kernel was compiled. |
| 21:50.58 | nomis | "I really want you to unload. But in a safe manner, so don't break anything..." |
| 21:51.14 | DrWilken | ... pretty please |
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| 21:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | nomis: exactly my thoughts :-D |
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| 22:18.51 | D-man | Guys, which rc.d folder is proper one to put in macchanger command? |
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| 22:22.36 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping |
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| 22:23.26 | alterego | pang |
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| 22:25.30 | ieatlint | syn |
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| 22:29.21 | Termana | morning |
| 22:30.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Termana: it isn't morning everywhere on this planet |
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| 22:31.13 | djszapi | should my phone work with no mmc image flashing ? |
| 22:31.18 | djszapi | just the fiasco. |
| 22:31.32 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 22:33.20 | KaffeeJunky123 | doesn't the new eMMc image fix some gps issues? |
| 22:35.06 | Termana | KaffeeJunky123, you are obviously unfamiliar with proper IRC etiquette. It is always good morning when you enter and always good night when you leave |
| 22:35.16 | MohammadAG | why would the eMMC be related to the GPS... |
| 22:36.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | Termana: that's a rather strange etiquette |
| 22:36.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | Termana: and probably nothing general |
| 22:37.01 | MohammadAG | we are strange people ;) |
| 22:37.13 | KaffeeJunky123 | aka strangers |
| 22:38.12 | ieatlint | i resent being called strange |
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| 22:39.08 | pupnik | anybody want to tell me what i'm doing crappily here? |
| 22:39.11 | pupnik | http://i.imgur.com/uCmD9.png |
| 22:39.40 | KaffeeJunky123 | pupnik: what's that supposed to be =)? |
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| 22:40.45 | pupnik | playing with low-cost pixel-effects KaffeeJunky123 |
| 22:40.47 | pupnik | http://pastebin.com/ar3bJH4C |
| 22:41.12 | SpeedEvil | What's it supposed to do? |
| 22:41.15 | pupnik | for e.g. how do i subtract a number from an int |
| 22:41.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | I see pixels |
| 22:41.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | o_O |
| 22:41.26 | pupnik | and not allow the value to ebcome negative |
| 22:41.33 | pupnik | without an if-then |
| 22:41.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | unsigned integer? |
| 22:41.37 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: unsigned int |
| 22:41.40 | pupnik | if(src[i+odest*4]<3) dst[i+o*4]=0; else dst[i+o*4]=src[i+odest*4]-3 |
| 22:41.59 | SpeedEvil | The conditional operator can also be useful. |
| 22:42.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | it's C run for your lives! |
| 22:42.27 | pupnik | is there something i can mask the negative number with to make it zero iff negative? |
| 22:42.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:42.59 | KaffeeJunky123 | also horrible coding style |
| 22:42.59 | pupnik | does that assume dangerous stuff about how signed ints are represented? |
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| 22:43.48 | KaffeeJunky123 | pupnik: I'd have to look up that one in the standard, but I only have one for C++ |
| 22:44.10 | ieatlint | uh, an unsigned integer will prevent negative numbers, but that doesn't prevent negative operations on it |
| 22:44.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | pupnik: but my crappy book claims it's implementation defined |
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| 22:47.00 | pupnik | unsigned int foo,bar=3; bar=foo-2*foo; printf("%i",bar); ==> ? |
| 22:47.04 | Turski | pupnik: how about if(x<y) a = y - x; else a= 0; |
| 22:47.27 | ieatlint | pupnik: foo is undefined |
| 22:47.43 | pupnik | foo=bar=3 |
| 22:48.08 | ieatlint | well, that doesn't assign 3 to foo |
| 22:48.22 | KaffeeJunky123 | it does assign an unassigned value to foo |
| 22:48.25 | ieatlint | but if foo is 3, then bar is -3 |
| 22:48.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | fail is fail |
| 22:48.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | ieatlint: C does calculate from left to right iirc |
| 22:49.03 | ieatlint | KaffeeJunky123: no |
| 22:49.07 | ieatlint | order of operations |
| 22:49.18 | ieatlint | * is higher than - |
| 22:49.47 | Turski | ieatlint: that's not true... |
| 22:50.13 | ieatlint | Turski: try it |
| 22:51.48 | ieatlint | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operators_in_C_and_C%2B%2B#Operator_precedence for the full chart |
| 22:52.10 | ieatlint | on that chart, multiplication is #5, and subtraction is 6 |
| 22:52.36 | kerio | foo=bar=3 assigns (bar=3) to foo |
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| 22:53.08 | kerio | in the evaluation of (bar=3), assigns 3 to bar, and the result of the evaluation is 3 |
| 22:53.58 | ieatlint | ok, that seems dirty to me, but i stand by my initial comment that foo was undefined when i said it :P |
| 22:56.00 | kerio | no, foo *was* possibly undefined |
| 22:56.03 | kerio | it's now very well defined |
| 22:56.04 | Turski | ieatlint: ok, remembered wrong then :( |
| 22:56.21 | kerio | foo is 3 |
| 22:56.26 | ieatlint | no worries... i was beaten with a stick over the order of operations |
| 22:57.00 | Turski | actually i have never even used C in pc programming |
| 22:57.23 | ieatlint | kerio: yes, i was wrong there :) |
| 22:57.28 | Turski | (had to google what was the include for printf -_- ) |
| 22:57.36 | kerio | C is... bad |
| 22:57.38 | Turski | i use C only for AVR and python on PC |
| 22:57.39 | kerio | bad, bad, bad |
| 22:57.42 | kerio | reeeeeeeeeeeally bad |
| 22:58.16 | Turski | kerio: not probably that bad... |
| 22:58.23 | kerio | reeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeally bad |
| 22:58.36 | Turski | ... |
| 22:58.37 | ieatlint | kerio: :P |
| 22:58.42 | ieatlint | java fan? |
| 22:58.53 | ieatlint | because most people with a vendetta against c seem to be |
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| 22:59.03 | Turski | java is much more bad |
| 22:59.08 | kerio | hahaha java |
| 22:59.10 | kerio | are you kidding |
| 22:59.21 | kerio | the flexibility of compiled languages with the speed of interpreted languages |
| 22:59.26 | kerio | all in a generic VM |
| 22:59.36 | Turski | :D |
| 22:59.47 | ShadowJK | and the bloat of openoffice and mozilla, combined |
| 22:59.48 | Shapeshifter | java ain't that bad |
| 22:59.53 | Shapeshifter | for certain purposes |
| 23:00.01 | KaffeeJunky123 | depends |
| 23:00.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | ShadowJK: Depends on the implementation as well |
| 23:00.14 | ieatlint | woo... programming language fight |
| 23:00.17 | KaffeeJunky123 | Java doesn't mean its java |
| 23:00.20 | kerio | python obviously wins |
| 23:00.24 | nomis | in fact c++ is the worst of the all. (to chime in) |
| 23:00.24 | SpeedEvil | piet |
| 23:00.33 | KaffeeJunky123 | if you're just refering to the programming language with a vm, then it's fine |
| 23:00.33 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: aww |
| 23:00.33 | kerio | Ïet |
| 23:00.37 | KaffeeJunky123 | but the framework... |
| 23:00.43 | kerio | KaffeeJunky123: a fan of clojure? |
| 23:00.57 | kerio | python/ruby/haskell > else |
| 23:00.58 | FauxFaux | Or Scalaaa. |
| 23:01.06 | Shapeshifter | KaffeeJunky123: I mean the language. So many of the java libs are horrible ._. |
| 23:01.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | kerio: C++ |
| 23:01.19 | kerio | oh please |
| 23:01.20 | Shapeshifter | actually, I revert my opinion. Java really is that bad |
| 23:01.27 | kerio | unless you're a masochist, ofc |
| 23:01.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | was about to come up with that |
| 23:01.38 | Shapeshifter | C++ is broken |
| 23:01.44 | ieatlint | kerio: i prefer c :) |
| 23:01.49 | KaffeeJunky123 | already typed it in but then I thought, that would probably sound mad |
| 23:01.57 | KaffeeJunky123 | but now I might as well do it |
| 23:02.00 | ieatlint | and it's less that i'm a masochist, and more that i'm just that fucking pedantic |
| 23:02.00 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm a masochist |
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| 23:02.34 | internetishard | anyone use a bluetooth keyboard here? Why are they so expensive? |
| 23:02.38 | nomis | vaguely points to http://yosefk.com/c++fqa/ |
| 23:02.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | and I'll recurse the templates until the compiler breaks |
| 23:03.05 | Shapeshifter | nomis: I was just looking up that |
| 23:03.09 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: they aren't. |
| 23:03.11 | tripzero | inteallahonsen, law of supply and demand |
| 23:03.38 | nomis | Oracle of course now is in the process of killing Java completely. |
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| 23:03.41 | tripzero | and iirc, they aren't any more expensive than RF keyboards |
| 23:03.53 | tripzero | nomis, don's spread FUD |
| 23:04.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | guess who |
| 23:04.10 | tripzero | don't* |
| 23:04.11 | KaffeeJunky123 | I give you a small hint |
| 23:04.23 | internetishard | http://www.google.com/search?q=Nokia+SU-8W+bluetooth+keyboard&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a#sclient=psy&hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla:en-US%3Aofficial&q=Nokia+SU-8W+bluetooth+keyboard+&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=ebd6de782e46911a |
| 23:04.30 | kerio | internetishard: i have a stowaway/iGo ultraslim bt kbd |
| 23:04.32 | KaffeeJunky123 | Steve |
| 23:04.35 | ieatlint | i'm sure oracle bought sun so they could just kill off java, solaris and mysql... makes sense to me |
| 23:04.36 | internetishard | Nokia SU-8W bluetooth keyboard is the one I was checking out I gues |
| 23:04.36 | nomis | tripzero: they are on a very good way towards that. Although they might not intend that actually. |
| 23:04.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | B***** |
| 23:04.42 | kerio | currently unused, but always handy when i'm using my laptop as a htpc |
| 23:04.54 | kerio | just looking at it unfold makes me happy :3 |
| 23:05.08 | kerio | i didn't pay it that much |
| 23:05.12 | SpeedEvil | internetishard: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.37154 |
| 23:05.43 | Shapeshifter | SpeedEvil: that looks awful to type on |
| 23:05.44 | internetishard | That think looks terrible |
| 23:05.49 | internetishard | lol ^^yes |
| 23:06.09 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.27685 |
| 23:06.42 | KaffeeJunky123 | the heck |
| 23:07.06 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.45604 |
| 23:07.26 | internetishard | kerio, how is the iGo? |
| 23:07.38 | kerio | internetishard: not that bad to type on |
| 23:07.39 | kerio | and small |
| 23:07.42 | SpeedEvil | DX has lots of random stuff. |
| 23:07.46 | internetishard | mad expensive |
| 23:08.02 | kerio | if you're expecting a model M, you're looking at the wrong product |
| 23:08.15 | internetishard | yeah yeah |
| 23:08.35 | internetishard | I just want something that is light and folding and keys spaced similar to regular - and under $40 |
| 23:08.55 | SpeedEvil | And I want a supermodel to cook me breakfast. |
| 23:09.07 | Shapeshifter | under $40 |
| 23:09.14 | internetishard | hahah, these demands do not seem equally far-fetched |
| 23:09.37 | SpeedEvil | I would be very, very surprised if you could get a working, reliable bluetooth folding keyboard at under $80 |
| 23:09.38 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: with a bit of money, that's very possible |
| 23:09.53 | internetishard | indeed, but like $2000 |
| 23:10.27 | internetishard | might as well spend $2000 on one of those "pickup" bootcamps, and learn how to attract women you like... than you get that shit for free as much as you want |
| 23:10.55 | SpeedEvil | But I can dig a cellar for lots less than that, and chloroform is not expensive. |
| 23:11.09 | tripzero | i want a supermodel to cook me breakfast and buy me cool bluetooth keybaords |
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| 23:11.30 | internetishard | hahahah^ |
| 23:11.33 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: cellars are pretty expensive actually |
| 23:11.53 | internetishard | I wonder if the bluetooth ipad keyboard would work.... |
| 23:12.00 | internetishard | I could probably find one of those cheap |
| 23:12.01 | tripzero | should... |
| 23:12.45 | SpeedEvil | Actually |
| 23:12.49 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.41964 |
| 23:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Foldable - tick - bluetooth - tick - keyboard - tick - under $40 - tick |
| 23:13.14 | internetishard | Tack! |
| 23:13.19 | internetishard | (tick) |
| 23:14.04 | SpeedEvil | Actually - cheaper! |
| 23:14.09 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.41942 |
| 23:14.25 | internetishard | wonder if it is easy to type on these silicon keyboards at all |
| 23:14.31 | internetishard | CUT! |
| 23:14.44 | ieatlint | is dealextreme.com the store that sells those illegal laser pointers that can set things on fire? |
| 23:15.06 | ShadowJK | illegal in some countries |
| 23:15.15 | ieatlint | true |
| 23:15.25 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 23:15.26 | Shapeshifter | I want one |
| 23:15.33 | internetishard | lol, play nice kids |
| 23:15.43 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.19531 - for small values of on fire. |
| 23:15.51 | ShadowJK | "Massive" 10-meter range |
| 23:16.17 | alterego | yawns |
| 23:16.32 | Shapeshifter | lol |
| 23:16.56 | Termana_ | WHAT THE FUCK |
| 23:17.10 | ShadowJK | You can also get gps jammers, cellphone jammers, spy cameras, tools for picking locks, gunmount laser and scope, and other random gear one migght need for personal warfare |
| 23:17.20 | Termana | Now I've seen it all. A web store selling lazers that can set stuff on fire |
| 23:17.27 | Termana | lasers* |
| 23:17.28 | SpeedEvil | Though I have a 50mW unitr coming from them to upgrade my laser-level from a 1mW red barely visible to easily visible plane. |
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| 23:17.51 | SpeedEvil | They also do n900 knockoffs. |
| 23:17.54 | SpeedEvil | Oh - also. |
| 23:18.00 | ieatlint | the spy cameras and lock picks are the only legal ones here i think, hehe |
| 23:18.01 | Termana | Probably illegal to import into Australia. You would get done for importing weaponry. |
| 23:18.01 | SpeedEvil | A bluetooth ODBII adaptor. |
| 23:18.13 | SpeedEvil | For connecting my n900 to my car |
| 23:18.18 | ieatlint | yeah, the bt OBDII adapter is awesome |
| 23:18.54 | Termana | So, who wants to help start integrating that laser into the N900? |
| 23:18.56 | Termana | :p |
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| 23:19.26 | ShadowJK | termana: they also have tripple flame butane jet torch |
| 23:19.26 | KaffeeJunky123 | no one |
| 23:19.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.42825 |
| 23:19.45 | SpeedEvil | - BT car dongle. |
| 23:19.52 | ieatlint | haha, that page for the laser claims that US citizens are forbidden from purchasing it even outside of the US |
| 23:20.03 | ieatlint | somehow i doubt that's enforceable |
| 23:20.05 | ShadowJK | flip the lid and you get not one, but 3 flames each hot enough to melt copper. sets your tobacco on fire for sure |
| 23:20.34 | SpeedEvil | ieatlint: Well - the US government in general believes strongly in extraterratoriality. |
| 23:20.48 | SpeedEvil | In that all citezens of the US are bound by most US laws, even overseas. |
| 23:20.51 | ieatlint | SpeedEvil: indeed... |
| 23:21.00 | SpeedEvil | And sometimes, non-US |
| 23:21.28 | Termana | SpeedEvil, a lot of countries have laws about overseas child exploitation |
| 23:21.33 | Termana | But not fire lasers |
| 23:21.35 | Termana | :p |
| 23:22.13 | pupnik | nicer version of the shader http://i.imgur.com/DdXh1.png |
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| 23:22.27 | ShadowJK | I wonder if amazon.com still sells Uranium |
| 23:22.55 | KaffeeJunky123 | nope |
| 23:22.59 | ShadowJK | aw |
| 23:23.02 | ieatlint | the US laws on "child exploitation" are so crazy, that if you go from one state with an age of consent at 16 to another state with an age of consent at 16 to have sex, you're committing child trafficking -- even if you're both the same age |
| 23:23.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | they switched to plutonium already |
| 23:23.41 | ieatlint | but i want a laser to set fire to planes damnit |
| 23:24.00 | ShadowJK | I guess that just shows that their radiation meters suck bad now if they're selling plutonium to test them with |
| 23:24.14 | SpeedEvil | has a radioactive vial next to his genitals. |
| 23:24.32 | SpeedEvil | http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.6830 |
| 23:24.37 | SpeedEvil | (well - similar to) |
| 23:24.51 | ShadowJK | guesses tritium before clicking |
| 23:25.08 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 23:25.51 | ieatlint | yeah, so dangerous that the plastic casing shields the radiation |
| 23:25.53 | ShadowJK | Amazon still has Uranium :) |
| 23:26.42 | ShadowJK | "Radioactive minerals are for educational and scientific use only." |
| 23:26.51 | ShadowJK | mandatory disclaimer :) |
| 23:26.58 | ieatlint | just go buy a pallet of smoke detectors |
| 23:27.03 | ieatlint | they have more radioactive materials |
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| 23:27.46 | ShadowJK | Amazon helpfully also suggests I might want to buy: "The Making of the Atomic Bomb" |
| 23:28.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | and dictators for dummys? |
| 23:29.10 | ShadowJK | "Complete idiot's guide for dummies", almost |
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| 23:30.25 | ShadowJK | "How to Rule the World: A Handbook for the Aspiring Dictator" |
| 23:30.29 | ShadowJK | excellent |
| 23:31.20 | ShadowJK | no idea whatsoever where to get the sharks from though |
| 23:31.26 | ShadowJK | (for the lasers) |
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| 23:33.16 | ieatlint | we've got them off the coast here |
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| 23:43.05 | MohammadAG | Community SSU ready, just need to test it more |
| 23:44.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | 150mW is poor anyway, but I paid a 10th |
| 23:44.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | nevertheless want that 500mW |
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| 23:45.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | scares pub ith 150mW green spot at ceiling |
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| 23:46.37 | ieatlint | yes, we all want the 500mW laser :P |
| 23:46.41 | Shapeshifter | huh |
| 23:47.00 | Shapeshifter | dug up my scratchbox, wanted to do apt-get update: E: The method driver /scratchbox/devkits/debian-etch/lib/apt/methods/https could not be found. |
| 23:48.25 | Shapeshifter | oh i give up. I know nothing about anything -.- |
| 23:48.33 | MohammadAG | ignore it |
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