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| 00:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, I got the most expensive remote control ever, for my TV. A N900 for handset, and a N900 in front of my TV, sending the IR cmds it receives from other device via WiFi |
| 00:05.16 | DocScrutinizer | works like a charm |
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| 00:06.25 | spinningcompass | DocScrutinizer: Would you like to invest in properties in Fresno, CA (since you have money to burn)? :) |
| 00:06.27 | rysiek|pl | ah... if only the FreeRunner had IR... |
| 00:06.47 | rysiek|pl | hmmm |
| 00:06.53 | DocScrutinizer | all I did was loading and starting same matching irreco remote on both, and replacing "localhost" by <IP of TV relay N900> on the other, in controller config |
| 00:07.00 | rysiek|pl | by the way, how's the usb host mode going on n900? |
| 00:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 00:07.13 | infobot | rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
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| 00:07.31 | rysiek|pl | ah, infobot,old pal |
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| 00:11.45 | joshyyz | Hello |
| 00:12.09 | joshyyz | anyone in here that has a Nokia N900? |
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| 00:13.42 | SpeedEvil | There may be several people with one. |
| 00:13.48 | SpeedEvil | Some with two. |
| 00:13.57 | joshyyz | that's nice :D |
| 00:14.30 | joshyyz | I'm thinking about getting one myself but I would like to know abit about it first |
| 00:15.02 | SpeedEvil | What questions do you have? |
| 00:18.12 | DocScrutinizer | dumdidum |
| 00:18.29 | joshyyz | I'm pretty new to smartphones and to maemo so I would like to know what's the main difference between maemo and symbian |
| 00:19.34 | DocScrutinizer | maemo is a linux, and so the N900 a real computer in your pocket, while symbian is, errr... just symbian |
| 00:20.05 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: ok .. is maemo based on debian? |
| 00:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I'd say so |
| 00:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | remotely |
| 00:20.57 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: ok thx.. so does that meen that I can open up the xTerminal and use apt-get to install software? |
| 00:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | sure, doing that all the time |
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| 00:21.54 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: ok that's nice, I really like that |
| 00:22.03 | DocScrutinizer | though "for regular users" the package manager is the recommended way to install sw |
| 00:22.16 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: ofc :) |
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| 00:23.04 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: do you know if there are any phones out on the market right now that actually can compete with the n900 I meen it's already "1" year old |
| 00:23.27 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not for my requirements profile |
| 00:24.17 | DarkdowN | Howdy folks |
| 00:24.17 | DocScrutinizer | for sure there are more shiny spyPhones, and cheaper andridiots, but that's not what I want |
| 00:24.49 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: ok...I'm pretty much a "geek" I like to do alot of things but I dont use facebook or twitter and stuff like that. But I like to use IRC and stuff like that on the phone |
| 00:25.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | that's irc via N900 |
| 00:25.31 | DarkdowN | I'm missing the liblocation.so.0 file can somebody send it to me? |
| 00:25.49 | n900evil | waves from n900/xchat. |
| 00:26.03 | joshyyz | :) |
| 00:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | DarkdowN: hmm, I guess you'd need the exactly matching modversion |
| 00:26.53 | joshyyz | I actually like like the design of the N900, and since it |
| 00:26.59 | DarkdowN | Man it's been a long time since I (actively) used irc, there sure are a lot of people here! |
| 00:27.18 | joshyyz | 200 ⬠less now than 1 year ago i'm seriously thinking about getting it |
| 00:27.47 | DarkdowN | DocScrutinizer51: as long as its fremantle armel would be fine |
| 00:28.03 | DocScrutinizer | DarkdowN: o.O |
| 00:28.20 | DarkdowN | ? |
| 00:29.02 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: I watched an old video review about the n900 and they said that it did not support MMS is this thing fixed already? |
| 00:29.04 | DarkdowN | Ohh oops BitchX automatically autocompleted to the wrong username, heh |
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| 00:29.31 | DarkdowN | (that's 2 autos in a row, redundant, err.. :) |
| 00:29.34 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 00:30.07 | DocScrutinizer | joshyyz: yes, aiui frals gave fmms to the community :-D |
| 00:30.19 | DocScrutinizer | frals: thanks! |
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| 00:31.31 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: good :) |
| 00:31.34 | DarkdowN | I can't seem to find it anywhere in the SDK or on maemo.org |
| 00:31.39 | DocScrutinizer | DarkdowN: your *.so won't load unless either VERMAGIC is correct or you do nasty hacks like forcing modprobe etc. |
| 00:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | DarkdowN: aiui it's one of Nokias blobs :-/ |
| 00:33.20 | DocScrutinizer | so in SDK there are just the header files, and on maemo.org it will be inside fiasco image which you flash to device |
| 00:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | but I could be completely wrong here |
| 00:33.44 | joshyyz | How about the browsing experience when there is alot of flash, will it become were sluggish? |
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| 00:34.06 | DarkdowN | It should work, if you can toss me one, that'd be great. |
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| 00:34.41 | DocScrutinizer | flash isn't exactly the strongest discipline of N900 |
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| 00:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | DarkdowN: I mustn't |
| 00:35.20 | DarkdowN | aiui? there were a lot of libraries in the SDK I just downloaded, just not that one. And flashing a device is much more than i'm trying to do right now, i just need some libraries |
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| 00:35.51 | DarkdowN | D: ? |
| 00:36.03 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: okey well I dont like flash, is it possible to get ad-block hehe? :D |
| 00:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I think there's a plugin for microB |
| 00:36.36 | timeless_mbp | extension |
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| 00:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, ask microB developer timeless_mbp - he should know better :-) |
| 00:37.11 | Pillum | app manager doesnt show pr1.3 ota update :/ |
| 00:37.13 | Pillum | what should i do |
| 00:37.27 | timeless_mbp | Pillum: be patient? |
| 00:37.42 | Pillum | why patient? thought its already released? |
| 00:37.44 | timeless_mbp | has the OTA part rolled out? |
| 00:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 00:38.15 | timeless_mbp | Pillum: did you break the package seal? |
| 00:38.22 | Pillum | package seal ? :D |
| 00:38.34 | timeless_mbp | if you removed the fremantle metapackage then ham won't recognize the update |
| 00:38.46 | Pillum | hm |
| 00:38.49 | Pillum | how do i know? |
| 00:38.52 | DocScrutinizer | exactly why it doesn't pester me so far :-P |
| 00:39.06 | timeless_mbp | well, ideally you'd remember having uninstalled it |
| 00:39.24 | timeless_mbp | someone can use dpkg -l to find the package name |
| 00:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | or look at HAM uninstall, if it shows up (I guess) |
| 00:39.32 | timeless_mbp | and you can then use dpkg -l to find out if it's present |
| 00:40.27 | Pillum | pkg name is? |
| 00:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | hears joshyyz drooling :-D |
| 00:41.42 | Pillum | or better, how do i reinstall it? |
| 00:42.06 | DarkdowN | I'm also having trouble downloading the skype package for the n900 |
| 00:42.37 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install mp-freamntle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1 |
| 00:42.46 | DocScrutinizer | apt-get install mp-freamntle-generic-pr |
| 00:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | even |
| 00:42.53 | joshyyz | is there a specific skype package for the n900? |
| 00:43.00 | bef0rd | skype is preinstalled |
| 00:43.11 | DocScrutinizer | and that's actually fremantle |
| 00:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | shame on you MohammadAG51 |
| 00:43.35 | joshyyz | I think i'll have to buy it tomorrow :) |
| 00:44.00 | bef0rd | get it today ! |
| 00:44.01 | DarkdowN | skype's not preinstalled on all the n900s unfortunately |
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| 00:44.13 | joshyyz | what's the original internet browser on the phone? |
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| 00:44.34 | bef0rd | microB, gecko based |
| 00:44.36 | dolp | microb |
| 00:44.39 | dolp | :P |
| 00:45.01 | bef0rd | there is a webkit browser too on Extras I believe, also Opera |
| 00:45.20 | timeless_mbp | you can install Chromium |
| 00:45.23 | DarkdowN | I'm trying to get Opera to work, but I'm missing liblocation.so.0 |
| 00:45.24 | timeless_mbp | it doesn't support HTTPS |
| 00:45.27 | joshyyz | Ok.. I would like to know one thing .. I have a Ampache music server @ home and I would like to know if it's possible with the n900 using the browser to stream from the server |
| 00:45.37 | timeless_mbp | hrm, opera worked for me a few hours ago |
| 00:45.56 | dolp | firefooooox |
| 00:45.57 | SpeedEvil | killall pidgin;killall pppd;ro expensive |
| 00:45.59 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 00:46.00 | timeless_mbp | joshyyz: the browser doesn't really do video/audio |
| 00:46.12 | timeless_mbp | you either use the media player or the flash plugin |
| 00:46.22 | Pillum | apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr gives me |
| 00:46.33 | Pillum | following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 00:46.47 | timeless_mbp | Pillum: that generally means you broke the seal at some point |
| 00:46.51 | joshyyz | timeless_mbp: maybe it's possible to install "rythmbox" ? or maybe that's way too heavy |
| 00:46.51 | Pillum | mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 |
| 00:47.20 | DarkdowN | I'd _really_ like to get Opera and Skype running on my Pre. Turns out that not only can ya'll run WebOS apps, but they can run n900 apps! Exciting no? |
| 00:47.30 | Pillum | wut now? |
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| 00:47.39 | Pillum | libsdl-mixer1.23 is already the newest version |
| 00:48.11 | timeless_mbp | joshyyz: how do you expect a browser to do what you're trying to do? |
| 00:48.25 | bef0rd | DarkdowN, cool, I would like to give a try to preenv |
| 00:48.58 | bef0rd | DarkdowN, I dont think you can get Skype that easy though, I believe it's very telepathy/GTK centric on the n900 |
| 00:49.05 | timeless_mbp | joshyyz: usually media player will "just work â¢" |
| 00:49.14 | DarkdowN | I will have to look at preenv, I wonder if that will give me clues on how to easily get n900 apps to work |
| 00:49.20 | DocScrutinizer | bef0rd: I join that bet |
| 00:49.56 | joshyyz | timeless_mbp: can the mediaplayer play flash audio? |
| 00:50.20 | timeless_mbp | ? no, but the browser supports flash, so that'd probably work in the browser |
| 00:50.24 | joshyyz | timeless_mbp: sry for my dumbness |
| 00:50.34 | timeless_mbp | sorry, when people talk about "browser" and audio/video they're usually confused |
| 00:50.38 | bef0rd | joshyyz, also flash audio is probably just h264 or whatever flv uses |
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| 00:50.52 | DarkdowN | bef0rd: telepathy? hmm, will look that up. |
| 00:50.58 | SpeedEvil | Also - mplayer |
| 00:51.22 | DarkdowN | bef0rd: opera I think is a more reasonable goal, that's probably a more direct linux-port rather than a ground-up write.. |
| 00:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn |
| 00:51.30 | infobot | rumour has it, xyawn is nice coffee |
| 00:51.34 | DocScrutinizer | k |
| 00:51.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 00:51.47 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 00:52.01 | joshyyz | yeah i'm almost confusing myself, the thing is that I have this ampache music server which music I always stream via the webbrowser using the flash |
| 00:52.16 | joshyyz | I hope it works the same way on the phone |
| 00:52.32 | SpeedEvil | Can you punch a hole in a firewall, so someone can check it? |
| 00:52.43 | DocScrutinizer | almost everything browser related works on the phone |
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| 00:53.10 | joshyyz | SpeedEvil: talking to me?? :) |
| 00:53.21 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 00:53.27 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 00:53.52 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: PR1.2 browser does audio for me |
| 00:54.03 | timeless_mbp | luke-jr: html5 <audio>? |
| 00:54.06 | joshyyz | SpeedEvil: I would but the server is downstairs and it's turned off because it's 3:54 AM here where I live |
| 00:54.12 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 00:54.13 | luke-jr | timeless_mbp: I think <object> |
| 00:54.46 | bef0rd | joshyyz, I believe I have used ampache and the UI was not flash based, but if you can show us we can see it right now |
| 00:55.03 | luke-jr | no, <audio> |
| 00:55.12 | luke-jr | not sure if HTML 5 compliant |
| 00:56.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway N900 plays media my linux desktop just says "??????" |
| 00:56.43 | SpeedEvil | Also, there are ohter solutions, for example you might NFS mount the filesystem |
| 00:57.35 | DocScrutinizer | and I heard mediaplayer knows uPnP |
| 00:57.56 | DocScrutinizer | dunno if that's correct |
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| 00:58.45 | bef0rd | n900 sometimes pickups media shares from some Windows 7 machines on my network, never tried to play from them though |
| 01:01.32 | DarkdowN | i |
| 01:02.35 | joshyyz | how's the N900 Battery? how many ours do you usually get from heavy use? |
| 01:02.48 | Pillum | 7h heavy |
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| 01:03.31 | joshyyz | Pillum: ok thx |
| 01:03.54 | jdphone | ~pr1.3 |
| 01:03.54 | infobot | it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 01:04.38 | Pillum | joshyyz: but they say, that with pr 1.3 the battery life time got extended |
| 01:04.42 | Pillum | by a lot! |
| 01:04.52 | joshyyz | Pillum: well that would be nice : |
| 01:04.55 | joshyyz | :) |
| 01:05.29 | joshyyz | Pillum: I'm already drooling for the phone but my wallet is not as excited as I am :D |
| 01:05.39 | Pillum | :D |
| 01:05.56 | jdphone | ~flashing |
| 01:05.57 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:06.11 | DarkdowN | If anyone can help me with my n900env project it'd be greatly appreciated! |
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| 01:07.40 | Pillum | ~maemo |
| 01:07.40 | infobot | from memory, maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
| 01:07.46 | Pillum | ~infobot |
| 01:07.46 | infobot | i guess infobot is better than wowbot |
| 01:09.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Pillum about query |
| 01:10.38 | DocScrutinizer | joshyyz: 7h is for really heavy use. On GPRS and xchat (8chan) idle, I usualy see >>24h |
| 01:10.59 | joshyyz | DocScrutinizer: nice |
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| 01:11.37 | lcuk | DarkdowN, talk to javispedro |
| 01:12.00 | lcuk | he would appear to be your yang |
| 01:12.39 | DarkdowN | lcuk: I'm already on the preenv page :) |
| 01:13.41 | DarkdowN | yang? |
| 01:13.47 | lcuk | yin |
| 01:14.00 | DarkdowN | oh, heh |
| 01:14.03 | DarkdowN | yeah for sure |
| 01:14.38 | luke-jr | Pillum: no way you could get 7h from heavy use |
| 01:14.45 | luke-jr | maybe without networking |
| 01:15.31 | luke-jr | with networking, you'll be lucky to see 4h :/ |
| 01:15.45 | luke-jr | even if idle most of the time |
| 01:16.24 | Pillum | lol |
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| 01:19.23 | joshyyz | Well guys I'm going to sleep now and tomorrow I'll go out and buy the N900 so I might come here again for some help. thx |
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| 01:21.56 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 01:22.07 | DarkdowN | libtime.so.0 and liblocation.so.0 are the only things keeping me from running Opera on my phone, if someone could send them to me that'd be _GREATLY_ appreciated!! |
| 01:25.07 | SpeedEvil | ls -l /usr/lib/liblocation.so.0* |
| 01:25.11 | SpeedEvil | does what |
| 01:25.15 | luke-jr | go out and buy N900? just like that? |
| 01:25.23 | luke-jr | N900 is actually retail somewhere? |
| 01:26.07 | Pillum | wheres the menu for backupping ? |
| 01:26.14 | Pillum | ~update |
| 01:26.14 | infobot | dselect update, grabs the Packages.gz files from their sources and refreshes the available packages. Use before an apt-get upgrade, or you can use apt-get update instead of dselect update |
| 01:26.25 | Pillum | ~update fw |
| 01:28.19 | DarkdowN | lcuk: Can't seem to find a 'send message' function from maemo.org, gah.. |
| 01:29.26 | Pillum | ~backup |
| 01:29.26 | infobot | methinks backup is described at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/filesystems.html |
| 01:30.41 | DarkdowN | someone had accessed the update info earlier. I can't scroll.. oh yess i can.. they typed ~pr1.3 |
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| 01:32.05 | DarkdowN | ~flashing |
| 01:32.05 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 01:32.48 | Pillum | thx |
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| 01:35.22 | DarkdowN | how do you get a copy of the firmware without having a device? |
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| 01:37.56 | SpeedEvil | they want the IMEI, so you can't. |
| 01:41.52 | DarkdowN | SpeedEvil: Yeah I know that's pretty unbelievable. huh |
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| 01:43.24 | b-man_ | hmm |
| 01:43.29 | b-man_ | "Twitter is over capacity." lmao |
| 01:44.01 | SpeedEvil | DarkdowN: why? |
| 01:44.05 | DarkdowN | ok off to an OS/2 ("BayWarp") users group meeting now |
| 01:44.10 | SpeedEvil | DarkdowN: There is non-free software in tehre. |
| 01:44.50 | DarkdowN | SpeedEvil: Yeah, same with Android, Palm, and others, but the ROMs are out there |
| 01:46.48 | DarkdowN | ttfn.. |
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| 02:10.36 | orlok | ~pr1.3 |
| 02:10.36 | infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 02:10.52 | orlok | ~flashing |
| 02:10.53 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 02:55.43 | orlok | wow |
| 02:55.56 | orlok | theres a name i havent seen in.. over 10 years now? |
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| 02:57.26 | orlok | raster: i remember when e17 or so was the most incredible desktop i'd seen on a PC heh |
| 02:58.18 | raster | boo |
| 02:58.54 | orlok | raster: i remember when you were still down under heh |
| 02:59.04 | orlok | coopers! |
| 02:59.54 | orlok | or was that the other guy? |
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| 03:03.03 | fredrin | 1.3 installfest? |
| 03:03.05 | fredrin | or not |
| 03:04.44 | raster | well i have been in au |
| 03:04.46 | raster | on and off |
| 03:04.49 | raster | depends when :) |
| 03:05.34 | fredrin | good for you :P |
| 03:11.01 | fredrin | raster, you have an n900? |
| 03:11.33 | orlok | fredrin: according to his website, yes |
| 03:11.47 | fredrin | thanks |
| 03:11.52 | fredrin | bot |
| 03:12.18 | raster | fr i do. |
| 03:12.33 | raster | fredrin: i do |
| 03:12.40 | fredrin | as your main phone? |
| 03:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 03:12.55 | fredrin | running shr :P |
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| 03:13.46 | fredrin | wants to run shr on his n900 |
| 03:14.39 | raster | fredrin: no. for many reasons. 1. n900 was unstable as anything. would barely last 5 mins without rebooting. it self-bricked itself 2 or 3 times. |
| 03:14.43 | raster | its stable now with latest firmware |
| 03:14.45 | raster | or mostly |
| 03:14.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | so what's stopping you? |
| 03:14.52 | raster | still gles driver bugs - several of them |
| 03:15.03 | raster | but i moved country |
| 03:15.07 | raster | and n900 is useless here |
| 03:15.18 | raster | korea network locks phones |
| 03:15.19 | raster | ie |
| 03:15.29 | fredrin | in the north? |
| 03:15.31 | raster | if phone ime is NOT ap approved imei that the telco sold u - sim card wont work. |
| 03:15.35 | raster | no |
| 03:15.36 | raster | south |
| 03:15.38 | fredrin | ok |
| 03:15.47 | raster | the reverse of simlocking |
| 03:15.59 | raster | so u cant buy a phone and just use a korean telco sim card |
| 03:16.04 | fredrin | so no skype then? |
| 03:16.18 | fredrin | or wifi |
| 03:16.21 | fredrin | :P |
| 03:16.23 | raster | there is wifi |
| 03:16.29 | fredrin | bluetooth? |
| 03:16.36 | raster | but why would i be that silly to make my phone only work where there is wifi |
| 03:16.38 | raster | ? |
| 03:16.53 | orlok | my N900 seems to keep loosing its SIM connection |
| 03:16.54 | raster | as such most of my day - in the office, there is no wifi i can use for an n900 |
| 03:17.00 | raster | security reasons. |
| 03:17.15 | raster | network is locked down - wifi is for testing only. |
| 03:17.25 | orlok | raster: lucky you, the bosses here complained until i was forced to install an AP |
| 03:17.26 | fredrin | sounds boring |
| 03:17.29 | raster | also firewalls will niceyl make things like skype impossible if not problematic :) |
| 03:17.48 | raster | so anyway |
| 03:17.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: better than the insanity we had in TPE :-P |
| 03:18.33 | raster | point is - n900 is largely useless here - it just is a toy on my desk at home i use to see how much worse the sgx530 is and how many things are not implemented right in the n900 gles stack :) |
| 03:18.49 | raster | either way |
| 03:18.54 | raster | my regular phone is a glaaxys |
| 03:18.57 | raster | galaxy-s |
| 03:19.04 | raster | much much much much nicer hw than the n900 |
| 03:19.09 | raster | by a country mile |
| 03:19.11 | slingr | raster> can't you use a SIM that will masq a given IMEI |
| 03:19.50 | fredrin | north korea is crazy |
| 03:20.03 | fredrin | :P |
| 03:20.13 | wmarone | raster: well yes, it's how many months newer? |
| 03:21.00 | wmarone | though it's using pentile, which kills any joy for SAMOLED I might have :( |
| 03:24.39 | raster | slingr: well other than the fact that you just dont have any such things here - you cant just buy a sim. in korea the networks are hevily locked down. much worse than the usa or even japan. masquing an imei would be illegal in korea. it'd be hacking a telco network - or classed as such. |
| 03:25.06 | raster | you do know that in jp and kr - reflashing a phone for example is illegal |
| 03:25.16 | raster | doesn't matter if it runs linux |
| 03:25.23 | raster | android |
| 03:25.27 | raster | or whatever gpl says |
| 03:25.40 | raster | when you buy a phone from a telco here or in jp |
| 03:25.53 | raster | u are only allowed to make telco approved modifications to the software on that phone |
| 03:25.57 | raster | anything else is illegal |
| 03:26.00 | orlok | heheh |
| 03:26.06 | raster | same actually with any transmitting equipment |
| 03:26.08 | orlok | raster: i will keep that in mind |
| 03:26.14 | raster | that includes firmward on wifi cards etc. |
| 03:26.18 | raster | firmware |
| 03:26.31 | raster | people have actually been put in jail for doing these things in japan i believe |
| 03:26.31 | wmarone | raster: in Japan, actually, the telcos bluster big but nothing comes of it |
| 03:26.33 | orlok | raster: i work for a company that makes an ambedded device running linux that does data over GSM |
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| 03:26.50 | raster | wmarone: the law agrees with them :) |
| 03:26.56 | wmarone | plenty of people use N900s and other android devices on Softbank / DoCoMo |
| 03:26.57 | raster | elsewhere in the world its different |
| 03:27.09 | raster | wmarone: japan doesnt network lock |
| 03:27.12 | raster | it simlocks |
| 03:27.13 | wmarone | no they don't |
| 03:27.18 | wmarone | I know |
| 03:27.19 | raster | it doesnt network lock |
| 03:27.23 | raster | korean netowkr locks |
| 03:27.25 | raster | network |
| 03:27.32 | wmarone | well aware of that |
| 03:27.41 | wmarone | I read what you said :) |
| 03:28.14 | wmarone | Japan's got a lot of strange controls on their networks, mostly all enforced by the carriers |
| 03:28.20 | raster | in jp if you go buy a phone that happens to work on their frequencies and the network of your telco - your sim card from the phoneu bought from them shoudl work |
| 03:28.26 | raster | you may have trouble getting keitai mail |
| 03:28.26 | wmarone | yup |
| 03:28.30 | raster | but it will work |
| 03:28.31 | raster | in korea |
| 03:28.41 | raster | u do that and u will end up with a device that has "no network" |
| 03:28.47 | raster | until you go to the telco |
| 03:28.51 | raster | find the right person to talk to |
| 03:29.03 | raster | pay them like a $500 fee to do "testing" of your phone |
| 03:29.06 | wmarone | I was over there back in august, used a data-only sim that cost me $30 for a month of unlimited 3.5G access |
| 03:29.18 | orlok | anybody else have any problems with the N900 loosing connection to the sim? |
| 03:29.24 | raster | and then they will register your phones imei number as "allowed" |
| 03:29.26 | orlok | or is that just my slightly bent microsim? |
| 03:29.44 | wmarone | orlok: microsim? |
| 03:29.56 | raster | orlok: lots of such devices around :) (linux, embedded, uses gsm for data) :) |
| 03:30.09 | raster | fredrin: south korea is also crazy :) |
| 03:30.10 | orlok | wmarone: ipad style, so its a normal size sim with a chuink missing so you can p[op out the microsim |
| 03:30.11 | wmarone | raster: yeah, sucks that places actually screw people -harder- than they do in the US :/ |
| 03:31.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: yes, there are reports of such problems |
| 03:31.40 | raster | wmarone: well fyi galaxy-s is maybe about 7 months newer, but from a hw point of view - the cpu will come in at about 2-2.5x the performance of the n900, the gpu totally eclipses the n900. it's got quite a chunk more ram - admittedly less sotrage (16gb emmc vs 32gb emmc) and no physical kbd |
| 03:31.49 | orlok | i'm using a bit of paper as a shim |
| 03:31.55 | orlok | it didnt have the problem for weeks |
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| 03:32.18 | raster | the screen - yes its pentile, but frankly.. its much nicer than the n900. the pentile is a downside, but black is pure black, colors are much more vibrant... and its bigger (4" vs 3.5") |
| 03:32.31 | raster | and frankly.. i know DocScrutinizer51 disagrees.. resistive ts... no thanks. |
| 03:32.32 | raster | :) |
| 03:32.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: paper is probably suboptimal solution |
| 03:32.55 | raster | wmarone: yeah. it really pissed me off... but whatever. i'll get around to rooting my galaxy-s some day |
| 03:32.58 | raster | regardless of the laws |
| 03:33.00 | raster | then fix the os |
| 03:33.04 | orlok | DocScrutinizer51: some cellophane then? |
| 03:33.08 | raster | luckily for me.. thats the easiest bit |
| 03:33.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: the concept is odd |
| 03:33.23 | raster | as i already have proepr linux os images running on the same hw |
| 03:33.41 | wmarone | raster: proper? |
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| 03:34.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: either try to straighten your SIM, or slightly + gently bend out the golden contact springs of holder |
| 03:35.06 | fredrin | jje, nait |
| 03:35.20 | raster | wmarone: not android :) |
| 03:35.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | paper wont bend the SIM into shape, but eventually will destruct the flimsy metal holder door |
| 03:35.34 | raster | (kernel, glibc, xorg, dbus, blah blah blah) |
| 03:35.49 | wmarone | ahh |
| 03:35.51 | wmarone | with 3D? |
| 03:35.55 | orlok | DocScrutinizer51: unfortunatly the devices we make here use a slightly different style of holder |
| 03:35.55 | raster | yes |
| 03:35.58 | wmarone | o_O |
| 03:36.01 | wmarone | using what driver? |
| 03:36.06 | raster | a damn side better than the n900 gles drivers |
| 03:36.12 | orlok | DocScrutinizer51: we have rolls of them! |
| 03:36.13 | raster | thats why i moan about them |
| 03:36.20 | raster | as my measuring stick is much better :) |
| 03:36.24 | raster | also sgx - sgx540 |
| 03:36.32 | raster | but in-house fixed up drivers |
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| 03:36.40 | wmarone | oh |
| 03:36.40 | raster | so they actually do things right :) |
| 03:36.42 | wmarone | drivers you can't hsare |
| 03:36.43 | wmarone | share* |
| 03:36.46 | raster | yeah |
| 03:36.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: so? |
| 03:36.51 | wmarone | :( |
| 03:37.04 | wmarone | was gonna say, there are people working on MeeGo that would really like to talk to you |
| 03:37.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: couldn't crack the nut with this pound of butter, but you got another 5 metric tons of butter? |
| 03:37.53 | raster | wmarone: i am sure they would :) |
| 03:38.03 | raster | but... not going to happen :( |
| 03:38.04 | wmarone | you work for samsung? |
| 03:38.09 | raster | i do :) |
| 03:38.14 | wmarone | ahh |
| 03:38.22 | wmarone | ha you've probably met some people I work with |
| 03:38.31 | raster | possibly |
| 03:38.34 | raster | tho samsung is a big place |
| 03:38.34 | wmarone | are you in Gumi? |
| 03:38.37 | raster | no |
| 03:38.39 | raster | suwon |
| 03:38.40 | raster | hq |
| 03:38.42 | wmarone | ahh, probably not then |
| 03:38.53 | orlok | DocScrutinizer51:DocScrutinizer51: the SIM is straight as far as i can tell |
| 03:39.02 | orlok | i'll try bending up the fingers |
| 03:39.39 | raster | wmarone: i am in the mobile platform group in suwon. we work on samsungs actual linux platform |
| 03:39.51 | wmarone | ahh |
| 03:40.01 | raster | (as opposed to android, bada, wp7, random featurephones) |
| 03:40.09 | raster | we have a full working debian-based os |
| 03:40.15 | raster | well its not debian-based |
| 03:40.20 | raster | its a re-implementation of debian |
| 03:40.24 | orlok | .deb based? |
| 03:40.30 | raster | we had-created the whole os just like debian |
| 03:40.33 | raster | yes |
| 03:40.40 | raster | its "pretty much debian" |
| 03:40.44 | raster | same pkg names for most things |
| 03:40.46 | raster | or similar |
| 03:40.47 | orlok | yeah |
| 03:40.51 | orlok | same here for our devices |
| 03:40.51 | raster | but not debian based itself |
| 03:40.58 | raster | this is something we need to fix tho |
| 03:41.02 | raster | it means we are almsot compatible |
| 03:41.04 | raster | but not quite |
| 03:41.06 | raster | a bit of a waste |
| 03:41.08 | raster | anyway |
| 03:41.26 | raster | whats moe fun is - we have a fully productionised os working |
| 03:41.34 | raster | where meego has placeholders |
| 03:41.39 | raster | we have full working complete apps |
| 03:41.44 | wmarone | yes, but no one can use your OS |
| 03:41.45 | raster | where meego seems to launch in 4 seconds |
| 03:41.50 | raster | we launch in 500ms |
| 03:41.55 | orlok | bending the pins seems to have worked |
| 03:42.01 | raster | compositing and drivers all workign pretty solidly |
| 03:42.06 | raster | we are just cleaning up bugs really |
| 03:42.10 | raster | and beating at api's to suck less |
| 03:42.13 | wmarone | and what are you going to do with it? |
| 03:42.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: :-D |
| 03:42.28 | raster | well no one can useit mostly due to some politics of getting it out |
| 03:42.41 | raster | as such io'm allowed to talk about it - it's actually part ofmy job |
| 03:42.41 | raster | :) |
| 03:42.44 | wmarone | welcome to nokia's hole |
| 03:42.54 | raster | the question right now is only how we are going to get it out there |
| 03:43.03 | SpeedEvil | Sell it on ebay. |
| 03:43.12 | raster | hahaha |
| 03:43.32 | raster | well with some ficups in the buildserver being done now we can be sure to be fulyl gpl compliant |
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| 03:43.45 | raster | the goal is to totally play by oss rules and spirit |
| 03:43.52 | raster | we will open source everything we can |
| 03:44.01 | raster | (sgx drivers we can't and 3rd party stuff we can't) |
| 03:44.11 | wmarone | so basically, meego but not meego :) |
| 03:44.12 | raster | pretty much everything gpl/lgpl |
| 03:44.25 | raster | wmarone: yes. but we're already "done" :) |
| 03:44.47 | raster | what we are far behind in is any form of public knowledge that it exists :) |
| 03:44.53 | wmarone | sure |
| 03:45.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, meego is on 1.1 now |
| 03:45.08 | wmarone | I think that's the big thing though, is it's all been done internally instead of in the open like MeeGo is |
| 03:45.39 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: having looked @ meego - we are actually more like 2.0 or 3.0 if u want to use version # as a measuirng stick :) |
| 03:45.50 | raster | wmarone: yes. and thats bad |
| 03:46.00 | raster | one big problem is changing a whole company and culture |
| 03:46.02 | raster | and that takes time |
| 03:46.12 | raster | but.. the big wigs are on the bandwagon |
| 03:46.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | and nobody will love it |
| 03:46.33 | raster | ie extecutves heading this deivision explicitly yell at people to make it open source |
| 03:46.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | in community |
| 03:47.12 | raster | just wait a bit |
| 03:47.20 | raster | it will become public soon enough :) |
| 03:47.49 | luke-jr | does it have a name? |
| 03:47.51 | wmarone | I'm confused though, what does Samsung see in it? |
| 03:47.55 | raster | luke-jr: SLP |
| 03:48.00 | luke-jr | wmarone: what does Nokia see in it? |
| 03:48.04 | luke-jr | raster: SLP? |
| 03:48.10 | raster | wmarone: its not android. |
| 03:48.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, there are other "public" foss distris that people love to hate as they are NIH |
| 03:48.29 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: actually meego is much more nih than SLP |
| 03:48.45 | raster | as such nokia decided to abandon maemo |
| 03:48.46 | wmarone | raster: Ah, higher ups don't like being under google's thumb? |
| 03:48.50 | raster | and jump onto the meego bandwagon |
| 03:48.58 | raster | i was actually pushing SLP to move to deb |
| 03:49.06 | raster | the reason SLP is deb based is because of my pushing |
| 03:49.16 | raster | wmarone: i can only talk about so much |
| 03:49.17 | raster | :) |
| 03:49.22 | wmarone | hehe |
| 03:49.30 | raster | but as such regardless of what i may have heard or know |
| 03:49.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't care about deb |
| 03:49.39 | raster | there is desire AND room for an alternative to android |
| 03:49.50 | luke-jr | raster: does it by any chance have real GPS integration? :P |
| 03:49.55 | raster | see the recent news about european telcos meeting to discuss it |
| 03:50.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | but seems a lot of people prefer it over RPM |
| 03:50.00 | raster | them not liking android either |
| 03:50.13 | raster | luke-jr: dunno.. it has gps support |
| 03:50.19 | raster | i dont pay attention to those bits |
| 03:50.35 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: my point is tnhat meego is much more NIH than SLP |
| 03:50.43 | raster | SLP is a nigh debian clone |
| 03:50.46 | SpeedEvil | raster: Can you comment on the size of the orrganisation you're working in? Samsung, or Sparkfun? |
| 03:50.52 | raster | only that the way people do things ended up with it being not quite |
| 03:50.56 | raster | that will be fixed |
| 03:51.11 | orlok | theres no real difference between .deb and .rpm really |
| 03:51.14 | raster | SpeedEvil: ??? |
| 03:51.16 | orlok | all the same stuff, different extension |
| 03:51.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: aiui it's a clone - yes. |
| 03:51.30 | raster | orlok: they are close. i'd say rpm is by far more packager friendly |
| 03:51.34 | orlok | the real killer was the fact that apt would auto-resolve dependencies |
| 03:51.35 | raster | and it is technically superior imho |
| 03:51.41 | raster | but.. all in all they are close |
| 03:51.47 | SpeedEvil | Yeah. If .01% of actual users care about the package manager, you've _utterly_ fucked up. |
| 03:51.49 | orlok | raster: yeah, i'e built a few RPM's, havent built any /.deb's |
| 03:51.51 | raster | there is apt-rpm too |
| 03:51.53 | raster | so thats kind of moot |
| 03:52.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably with a licence that allows OEMs to close it down more than even Android |
| 03:52.09 | orlok | raster: yeah, but there wasnt 10+ years ago :) |
| 03:52.10 | raster | orlok: i've doene a fair bit of both (worked at RH in my early years) |
| 03:52.13 | orlok | that i remember, anyway |
| 03:52.21 | orlok | raster: dude, i know :) |
| 03:52.31 | orlok | raster: i was a linux sysadmin in australia in the 90's |
| 03:52.33 | raster | i prefer debian distros |
| 03:52.42 | raster | mostly due to the sheer breadth of stuff already packaged for them |
| 03:52.48 | raster | the apt repos are massive |
| 03:52.49 | orlok | raster: i remember hacking together an old system to try and get E16 or whatever running on it |
| 03:53.00 | raster | rpm is technically nicer |
| 03:53.13 | raster | debian doesnt have rpm -ta. need i say more. |
| 03:53.17 | orlok | remembers the dependancy nightmares |
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| 03:53.37 | raster | but... be that as it may - SLP is on a debian path. not a meego path |
| 03:53.46 | luke-jr | Gentoo ftw |
| 03:53.46 | wmarone | sounds cool overall |
| 03:53.56 | raster | nokia made a complete left turn and Albuquerque with meego (relative to maemo) |
| 03:53.59 | orlok | who remembers Gentus? |
| 03:54.03 | raster | but we were already on the deb path |
| 03:54.09 | raster | and are not going to join the meego bandwagon |
| 03:54.10 | wmarone | but it all hinges on the hardware, and whether or not I can do what I want :) |
| 03:54.21 | luke-jr | wmarone++ |
| 03:54.23 | raster | mostly because meego will proscribe that we must be qt based |
| 03:54.28 | raster | and that is not going to happen. |
| 03:55.03 | orlok | i'm actually running into issues with openbsd's ports |
| 03:55.09 | orlok | first time its happened :-\ |
| 03:55.22 | raster | i have no problem in shipping qt packages (unsupported from a 3rd party apt reop - ie just use deb/ubuntu arm repos) |
| 03:55.38 | luke-jr | thumbs-down raster |
| 03:56.56 | raster | but having all apps, core ui, wm, desktop and all move to qt.. no. |
| 03:57.22 | luke-jr | everything should have been Qt from the start |
| 03:57.27 | raster | hahahahahhaha |
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| 03:57.28 | luke-jr | so it's all just a bugfix |
| 03:57.30 | luke-jr | ⺠|
| 03:58.25 | SpeedEvil | I'm reminded of OM's perambulations around windowing systems. |
| 03:58.33 | SpeedEvil | Which is not a good thing. |
| 03:58.35 | raster | there's a reason we have 500ms or even better app startup times... one of them is not having a gazillion symbols from c++ to worry about :) |
| 03:58.49 | wmarone | raster: pure GTK? |
| 03:58.57 | raster | wmarone: we do have gtk support |
| 03:59.01 | wmarone | o_O |
| 03:59.08 | raster | but all our apps are EFL based |
| 03:59.09 | luke-jr | raster: never heard of prelinking |
| 03:59.10 | luke-jr | ? |
| 03:59.36 | wmarone | ahh, enlightenment |
| 03:59.42 | raster | luke-jr: yes. i have. :) funny that. :) been there. done that. still higher cost than c without prelink :) |
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| 04:00.01 | raster | wmarone: thats hwy i say "proper linux" :) |
| 04:00.13 | wmarone | close enough for me |
| 04:00.14 | raster | hehehe |
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| 04:00.39 | raster | evas's gl engine has wonderful habits of finding bugs in gl drivers :) |
| 04:01.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | I would be MUCH MORE interested in a proper uniform orthogonal platform indepenent middleware framework - couldn't bother less about GUI details |
| 04:02.23 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: it'll al be gpl/lgpl... so you can happily put it onto your maemo ro meego or whatever device.. if u want |
| 04:02.32 | raster | dont expect us to do it for you :) |
| 04:02.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh |
| 04:03.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | missing the point |
| 04:04.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't give a shit about GPL APIs defined in haskell or commented in kanjii |
| 04:04.38 | luke-jr | raster: the 3D driver is GPL/LGPL? |
| 04:04.45 | raster | it's all dbus and/or c |
| 04:04.46 | wmarone | luke-jr: of course not :P |
| 04:04.54 | luke-jr | wmarone: then MEH |
| 04:04.57 | raster | luke-jr: no. out of our hands. talk to imgtec :) |
| 04:05.08 | wmarone | luke-jr: you're gonna be SOL for a long time, seriously |
| 04:05.11 | luke-jr | raster: no it isn't. revive Samsung's own 3D accel. |
| 04:05.22 | luke-jr | wmarone: Samsung's prior generation had open 3D |
| 04:05.23 | raster | luke-jr: out of our hands. thats samsung LSI |
| 04:05.31 | raster | effectively a different company in practice |
| 04:05.39 | raster | they dumped their 3d unit long ago |
| 04:05.49 | raster | it basically is too slow to compete |
| 04:05.56 | luke-jr | slow is better than nothing |
| 04:05.58 | raster | like literally 1/.4 the speed of the n900 |
| 04:06.01 | raster | err 1/2 |
| 04:06.02 | luke-jr | closed is nothing |
| 04:06.23 | raster | and the n900 (sgx530) is like 1/4 the speed of current gpu's |
| 04:06.31 | raster | open crap is still crap |
| 04:06.34 | wmarone | luke-jr: all or nothing attitudes will get you nothing :P |
| 04:06.39 | raster | thats the reality of it |
| 04:06.45 | luke-jr | if by 'current' you mean 'not really existing in the real world yet' :p |
| 04:06.55 | raster | that gpu is dead |
| 04:07.00 | orlok | Hmm. Did anybody else get a preview clip for the movie "9" on their N900? |
| 04:07.02 | raster | its also controlled by another division entirely |
| 04:07.06 | luke-jr | orlok: yes |
| 04:07.09 | raster | and they have many many many customers |
| 04:07.15 | orlok | luke-jr: I'd never heard of it before! |
| 04:07.15 | raster | most of whom dont care about open or closed |
| 04:07.15 | wmarone | raster: do you have it running on OMAP4 ? |
| 04:07.22 | luke-jr | orlok: me either |
| 04:07.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | orlok: s/any/every |
| 04:07.27 | raster | and they cant compete if their gpu isnt at least about as good as everyone else |
| 04:07.30 | orlok | luke-jr: i torrented the full movie heh |
| 04:07.40 | raster | wmarone: no. |
| 04:07.41 | luke-jr | orlok: not what they intended, I'm sure |
| 04:07.48 | wmarone | hmm |
| 04:08.01 | orlok | luke-jr: my GF's a massive burton fan, odd that we'd never heard of it |
| 04:08.04 | wmarone | ... now that I think about I realize why not :) |
| 04:08.15 | orlok | actually went to the last day of his exibition here in melbourne a few weeks ago |
| 04:08.31 | raster | wmarone: we focus on samsung SoC's right now. |
| 04:08.38 | wmarone | yeah, that's what occured to me |
| 04:08.43 | raster | as such our current SoC is the same as galaxy-s (hummingbird) |
| 04:08.56 | raster | thats nothing unusual or secret |
| 04:09.07 | raster | whyat an actuall product will ship with is another question entirely |
| 04:09.08 | raster | :) |
| 04:09.20 | wmarone | raster: samsung needs a hummingbirdboard or something :) |
| 04:09.31 | raster | (mayeb same, maybe just a clocked up version, maybe newer soc, maybe omap4.. maybe something else.. who knows) |
| 04:10.18 | DocScrutinizer51 | err huh? samsung SoC got zeroclock now? |
| 04:10.19 | raster | wmarone: http://www.boardcon.com/KIT%20S5PC110%20%28Android%202.1%29.html |
| 04:10.21 | raster | done |
| 04:10.25 | raster | and cheap too |
| 04:10.36 | raster | considering u get what is pretty much the same as a pandora |
| 04:10.42 | raster | just lower res lcd (hvga) |
| 04:12.55 | raster | but why make a board.. when someone did ti already |
| 04:12.58 | raster | over china-ways |
| 04:13.00 | raster | and cheaply |
| 04:13.06 | luke-jr | raster: bad link |
| 04:13.06 | orlok | raster: samsung make their own ARM based chips, correct? |
| 04:13.29 | orlok | Pretty sure thats what our modems use |
| 04:13.40 | raster | and added a whole lcd, capactive touch panel, wifi, accelerometers, battery, and hdmi out to it already |
| 04:13.49 | raster | luke-jr: works for me |
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| 04:14.25 | raster | orlok: yes. s3c* s5pc* good old 2440/2441/2442 |
| 04:14.26 | raster | etc. |
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| 04:14.46 | raster | luke-jr: spaces and ()'s in the url |
| 04:14.51 | raster | http://www.boardcon.com/products.html |
| 04:14.53 | raster | liked from there |
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| 04:15.30 | wmarone | o_O |
| 04:15.53 | wmarone | their order link... isn't. It's a blue-colored underline O_o |
| 04:15.54 | wmarone | anyway |
| 04:15.58 | luke-jr | that link is also broken |
| 04:16.19 | SpeedEvil | It's clearly been slashdotted by 800 peps |
| 04:16.20 | raster | yeah |
| 04:16.24 | raster | u actually have to email them |
| 04:16.28 | SpeedEvil | 400 peeps |
| 04:16.33 | wmarone | digikey will probably be shipping the pandaboard before long |
| 04:16.35 | raster | they dont actually seem to do credit card orders |
| 04:16.39 | raster | despite what the site says |
| 04:16.47 | raster | u ahve to do a proper order and they issue a proforma invoice |
| 04:16.50 | raster | and u wire xfer etc. |
| 04:16.58 | raster | but u can buy it |
| 04:17.03 | raster | i've asked them about units and pricing |
| 04:17.13 | raster | was looking into a way to make it more accessible to the world |
| 04:17.22 | raster | as people just dont like to do invocies and wire xfers to china |
| 04:17.31 | luke-jr | raster: you are comparing it to pandora or panda? |
| 04:17.35 | wmarone | no, that would make me nervous :) |
| 04:17.39 | wmarone | he said pandora :P |
| 04:17.41 | raster | they want to just enter a cc number, an address and have it turn up at their door a week or 2 or whatever later |
| 04:17.47 | raster | luke-jr: pandora |
| 04:18.06 | raster | luke-jr: as such the s5pc110 is a massively better chip than the omap3x30 |
| 04:18.12 | raster | omap4 is netx gen |
| 04:18.15 | raster | next gen |
| 04:18.19 | raster | not out yet as such |
| 04:18.28 | raster | (in products) |
| 04:18.28 | SpeedEvil | doesn't much care. |
| 04:18.35 | SpeedEvil | In many ways. |
| 04:18.36 | raster | but then thats equivalent to the s5pc210 |
| 04:18.45 | raster | same gen |
| 04:18.53 | raster | both dual-core cortex-a9 |
| 04:18.55 | SpeedEvil | The GPU is quite adequate in n900 for me. |
| 04:19.13 | raster | SpeedEvil: it all depends what u want to do with it |
| 04:19.18 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 04:19.21 | orlok | Wesnoth is ok on the N900 |
| 04:19.25 | orlok | screen a bit too small though |
| 04:20.41 | raster | i guess for example |
| 04:20.50 | raster | i can run q3 on the s5pc110 |
| 04:20.54 | raster | 800x480 |
| 04:21.01 | raster | composited (not fullscreen direct to fb) |
| 04:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | all power to the 5GHz SoC phone |
| 04:21.08 | raster | and still get 40-50fps |
| 04:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 04:21.15 | wmarone | vroom vroom |
| 04:21.38 | SpeedEvil | Or one core can be dedicated solely to running tracker/thumbnailer! |
| 04:21.47 | DocScrutinizer | YESSSS |
| 04:22.30 | DocScrutinizer | or pulseaudio :-P |
| 04:23.05 | raster | just use the lower quality integer resampler |
| 04:23.24 | raster | u wont hear the difference between that an the highq fp one |
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| 04:24.36 | SpeedEvil | It's kinda depressing that a kid in HS implemented - albeit partially - the HW codec speaker protection fitler. |
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| 04:26.30 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 04:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | all botches and bandaids, sold to us as hot stuff |
| 04:27.28 | DocScrutinizer | and when you ask for proper -> WONTFIX |
| 04:28.53 | DocScrutinizer | "No we don't open source this, we invented the FFT and the FIR filter, and we want to *differentiate*" :-/ |
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| 04:33.10 | TermanaDesire | Good morning |
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| 04:50.06 | SpeedEvil | are tehere any symbian emus? |
| 04:51.16 | MohammadAG51 | no, except the sdk one |
| 04:52.57 | SpeedEvil | Idly wondering as I'd like to reverse engineer the API my grocery stores app uses |
| 04:53.12 | SpeedEvil | as it might be easier than just raping their website lots. |
| 04:53.17 | SpeedEvil | scraping |
| 04:55.48 | johnx | wow. that's a freudian slip O_o; |
| 05:00.04 | SpeedEvil | It's more a case of it's a keyboard under the covers and me not looking at the screen as I have my eyes closed slip. |
| 05:00.44 | raster | so you're in bed |
| 05:00.51 | raster | hands frantically working away under the covers |
| 05:00.59 | raster | and talking about raping. |
| 05:01.00 | raster | hmmm |
| 05:01.03 | SpeedEvil | Yup. |
| 05:01.10 | raster | waaaaaaaay too much room for innuendo there |
| 05:01.52 | SpeedEvil | I also have a touch sensitive stick that I play with to control things. |
| 05:02.22 | raster | interesting that that is your... control point |
| 05:11.12 | orlok | hmm clear skies tonight |
| 05:11.37 | orlok | is tempted to write an app for his phone to act as a telescope controller |
| 05:13.10 | SpeedEvil | orlok: well - you could just install xephem |
| 05:13.40 | SpeedEvil | I've used it on the n900 IIRC inside easy-debian |
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| 05:14.29 | orlok | SpeedEvil: cool i will check it out |
| 05:14.43 | SpeedEvil | It is very touch-unoptimised |
| 05:14.47 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i need to write the microcontroller - linux interface first though |
| 05:15.24 | SpeedEvil | I need to retry on a clear night my n900 astrophotography eperiments with fcam |
| 05:15.33 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i mean more just something to control positioning/turn tracking on/off |
| 05:15.55 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i've been using a logitech C600 and an eee901 |
| 05:16.17 | orlok | with a telescope, or an EOS40D on the telescope mount, no telescope used though |
| 05:16.32 | SpeedEvil | xephem does 'goto' as I understand it |
| 05:16.37 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i'm converting my mount so i can be completely remotely controlled |
| 05:16.43 | SpeedEvil | Though I have never used it for that. |
| 05:17.07 | SpeedEvil | just used it for locating comets and stuff |
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| 05:17.18 | orlok | ahh |
| 05:17.36 | orlok | i use stellarium, but it doesnt know comets by default i think |
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| 05:17.50 | orlok | SpeedEvil: how are you doing astrophotography with it? |
| 05:17.55 | orlok | long exposures? any sort of tracking? |
| 05:19.29 | SpeedEvil | Stacking exposures. |
| 05:19.33 | orlok | SpeedEvil: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FDoM5q1SWjg |
| 05:19.40 | SpeedEvil | i trued it before, but fcam can do 1s exposures. |
| 05:19.41 | orlok | registax? |
| 05:19.46 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 05:19.53 | orlok | gimp? |
| 05:20.01 | SpeedEvil | netpbm |
| 05:20.09 | orlok | for stacking? hmm, havent looked at that |
| 05:20.16 | SpeedEvil | it's not sensible |
| 05:20.17 | orlok | does it do alignment/registering? |
| 05:20.22 | orlok | heh |
| 05:20.42 | orlok | SpeedEvil: the C600 has a very nice set of controls for exposure, etc |
| 05:20.51 | orlok | i managed to get jupiters red spot |
| 05:21.06 | SpeedEvil | no - it is a simple set of image manipulation tools. |
| 05:21.10 | orlok | i should try and mount the N900 to the scope eyepeice |
| 05:21.30 | orlok | SpeedEvil: if you have a doze PC or wanna fiddle with wine, try registax, its free |
| 05:21.44 | orlok | SpeedEvil: i use guvcview for imaging |
| 05:21.50 | orlok | but probably not relevant to the N900 |
| 05:21.57 | orlok | its not a UVC video device, is it? |
| 05:22.10 | SpeedEvil | It's not in a serious attempt to get it working. |
| 05:22.21 | SpeedEvil | And no, thoguh a UVC gadget driver would be lovely |
| 05:22.33 | SpeedEvil | more an effort at getting pigs to fly. |
| 05:22.38 | orlok | SpeedEvil: http://220.233.71.133/20101025/ |
| 05:22.42 | orlok | i understand that :) |
| 05:23.34 | SpeedEvil | I also need to get a tracking mount setup for a small green laser, to track ISS. |
| 05:23.50 | orlok | SpeedEvil: will be hard, it moves fast |
| 05:23.52 | SpeedEvil | To see it on nasa-TV as it passes overhead in the external camera shots |
| 05:23.58 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 05:24.02 | orlok | and the green lasers will piss off any astrophotographers near you |
| 05:24.09 | orlok | ahah :) |
| 05:24.23 | orlok | ok, you probably want to have the laser fixed where the ISS will pass by heh |
| 05:24.42 | SpeedEvil | That's another option, yes |
| 05:24.45 | SpeedEvil | and easier |
| 05:25.02 | orlok | SpeedEvil: it will be incredibly hard to make a tracking mount fast enough with the correct sort of resolution |
| 05:25.28 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
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| 05:25.41 | orlok | one of the PHD's here made a sat. tracking system at a previous job |
| 05:25.53 | orlok | i've been picking his brains while i modify my mount |
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| 05:26.24 | orlok | somebody said it could not have a second motor added, i've proved them wrong |
| 05:26.58 | SpeedEvil | Is it a v12? |
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| 05:28.43 | SpeedEvil | Sounds like fun. Night. |
| 05:29.18 | RST38h | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/engadgetpspphone7-1288145212.jpg |
| 05:29.28 | RST38h | photoshop? |
| 05:31.01 | johnx | RST38h, sorry. already read the article :) |
| 05:31.17 | RST38h | hehe |
| 05:32.28 | johnx | that actually looks pretty hawt |
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| 05:33.27 | TermanaDesire | johnx: as long as you don't mind being arsenic raped by Sony |
| 05:33.33 | orlok | SpeedEvil: v12? |
| 05:33.35 | TermanaDesire | Arse * |
| 05:34.08 | RST38h | [naively] What is arsenic raped? |
| 05:34.18 | RST38h | ah |
| 05:34.42 | RST38h | Termana: don't think of it this way, think of it as your anal adventure (tm) |
| 05:36.15 | raster | some people are into that. |
| 05:37.34 | johnx | TermanaDesire, there's about a mile of distance between something looking nice and me being willing to spend money on it |
| 05:37.35 | RST38h | But, seriously, Sony is long past the time when it could charge for the brand. |
| 05:38.41 | raster | but tis sony ericsson |
| 05:38.42 | raster | not sony |
| 05:39.25 | johnx | even the playstation name has fallen from the prestige it had at one point |
| 05:39.55 | raster | so its a scandinavian + japanese frankenstein. :) |
| 05:40.17 | raster | jo i'd say it still has the prestige |
| 05:40.26 | raster | it just has cornered itself in a high end of the market |
| 05:40.37 | raster | where the market moved to be more "cheap mass market" |
| 05:41.03 | orlok | hates sony laptops |
| 05:41.38 | johnx | raster, playstation? I'd say it's been overtaken by 'xbox' for 'hardcore' gamers, and eaten by wii on the other end |
| 05:41.40 | raster | orlok: they are pretty much the only ones that dont look like arse other than app.e |
| 05:41.52 | johnx | sony as a brand? apple killed that. |
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| 05:42.11 | johnx | (note: I'm talking about perception, not some kind of objective comparison) |
| 05:42.12 | orlok | raster: yeah, but the people that insist on buying them for the "shiny" factor also seem to be the sorts to loose the install cd's |
| 05:42.17 | wmarone | speaking of playstation, I still have a pile of games to finish... |
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| 05:42.29 | raster | johnx: dunno - i'd still say that sony is SEEN as the higher end of the market |
| 05:42.34 | orlok | raster: and it makes re-installs a nightmare |
| 05:42.38 | raster | hardcore gamers arent there for higher end |
| 05:42.44 | raster | they are there for hard core games |
| 05:42.50 | orlok | raster: seen as the higher end of the market by people who dont actually know :) |
| 05:42.54 | raster | psp3 pushes to the high end due to things like blueray |
| 05:43.06 | raster | and higher price for nicer design and the features |
| 05:43.16 | orlok | thinks sony cases are generally crap compared to the others |
| 05:43.20 | RST38h | raster: Soneric makes a lot of cheap handsets |
| 05:43.25 | johnx | but bluray players are like $60. it's not the 'value add' it used to be |
| 05:43.46 | raster | RST38h: soney ericsson != sony |
| 05:43.52 | raster | (as i said above) |
| 05:44.01 | raster | thgey blody well shouldnt have used that name |
| 05:44.05 | raster | it just confuses people |
| 05:44.58 | raster | i've been though many a laptop |
| 05:45.02 | raster | and the sony ones have been the best |
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| 05:45.06 | raster | in design and quality |
| 05:45.12 | orlok | raster: linux on them all though, right? |
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| 05:45.46 | RST38h | raster: And Sony makes stuff like this: http://www.sony.co.uk/product/hfs-cd-music-system/cmt-eh15 |
| 05:45.47 | orlok | lokes his eeepc |
| 05:45.58 | RST38h | raster: For something like $100 apiece |
| 05:46.01 | orlok | i prefer a real computer for anything serious |
| 05:46.50 | orlok | well, real keyboard, real screen, decent speed drive access... |
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| 05:50.30 | raster | orlok: yup. actually i have |
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| 05:51.20 | raster | and everything worked |
| 05:53.09 | orlok | raster: my core issue with them is no free driver downloads for all the laptops |
| 05:53.24 | orlok | raster: loose the cd and need to reinstall, theres a good chance half your hardware wont work |
| 05:53.38 | orlok | the onyl drivers available from sony are updates |
| 05:53.52 | orlok | and the model numbers, etc are insanely confusing |
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| 05:54.46 | raster | never concerned me |
| 05:54.53 | raster | i didnt bother with windows |
| 05:54.53 | raster | :) |
| 05:55.00 | raster | linux went straight on |
| 05:55.05 | raster | but yes |
| 05:55.09 | raster | model numebrs are confusing |
| 05:55.20 | raster | bnut i have to say it took 10 years for my original sony vaio to die |
| 05:55.33 | orlok | not including battery though |
| 05:55.44 | orlok | most of my laptops the hinges go first |
| 05:55.47 | raster | battery still worked |
| 05:55.48 | raster | :) |
| 05:55.51 | raster | not brilliant |
| 05:56.01 | raster | but still got 30 mins out of it |
| 05:56.12 | orlok | outs dont last 30 seconds, and they are only a few years old |
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| 05:56.28 | orlok | wardriving in a torana will completely stuff laptop hinges |
| 05:56.46 | orlok | i ended up rebuilding a few laptops with gaffa tape and araldyte |
| 05:57.00 | orlok | filled up the corners where the hinges mount with a solid lump of epoxy :) |
| 05:57.14 | raster | the good old pcg 505 |
| 05:57.17 | johnx | actually uses linux on a powerbook g4 that someone was down with (hinges are going ...) |
| 05:57.21 | raster | the purple ones back from 1999 or so |
| 05:57.26 | raster | that baby was solid |
| 05:57.28 | raster | and worked well |
| 05:57.38 | raster | my sony x505 happily marches on |
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| 05:58.19 | raster | it sits on my desk as an "embedded-like perfromance testbed" (peitum-m clocked down to 600mhz is pretty much on par to some last gen arms (cortexa8 at about 500-1000mhz) |
| 05:58.22 | orlok | hmm, is anybody using the N900 as a usb host? |
| 05:58.51 | raster | i've had the x505 now for like.. 5 years or more |
| 05:59.06 | orlok | the only laptops i have bought new are eeepc's |
| 05:59.11 | orlok | i;ve got three heh |
| 05:59.14 | raster | and my current laptop os a 16" vaio fw46 |
| 05:59.17 | raster | it works well |
| 05:59.22 | SwedeMike | orlok: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host |
| 05:59.24 | raster | only thing i hate is the radeo gfx |
| 05:59.30 | orlok | one was pretty much incapacitated after i violent incident |
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| 05:59.51 | orlok | an old eee701.. i use it in a robot now |
| 06:00.06 | raster | i've had an asus, clevo, dell, 2 thinkpads along the way |
| 06:00.12 | raster | and sony have been about the best |
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| 06:00.39 | SwedeMike | Sony is a mess to change stuff in, I prefer my Thinkpad X200. |
| 06:01.32 | orlok | i like thinkpads cos they all look the same |
| 06:01.42 | johnx | SwedeMike, got linux on it? |
| 06:01.50 | raster | thinkpads are bicks |
| 06:01.51 | raster | but ugly |
| 06:01.53 | raster | is solid |
| 06:01.55 | raster | but ugly |
| 06:02.07 | orlok | raster: yeah, i have issues with the suits demanding the latest shiny whatever |
| 06:02.17 | orlok | i say give them a black brick and STFU |
| 06:02.25 | raster | thats why i liked sony |
| 06:02.28 | raster | kind of got both |
| 06:02.38 | raster | i will admit apples stuff is these days better than sony |
| 06:02.41 | johnx | orlok, that was my reason too. :D I love the mid-90's look actually. When I get one I think I actually might just go all the way and put bumper stickers all over it |
| 06:02.45 | raster | its about as slick as it gets |
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| 06:02.56 | orlok | raster: yeah, the machining on them is incredible |
| 06:03.09 | raster | sony is - in general, next down on the list of slick |
| 06:03.15 | raster | tho asus is trying hard |
| 06:03.15 | raster | :) |
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| 06:03.30 | orlok | the sony laptops i've spend any amount of time with, the cases just looked like cheap badly bent alloy plate |
| 06:03.33 | raster | hp kind of picked up their game in one of their series |
| 06:03.43 | raster | orlok: may have been the cheap vaios |
| 06:03.49 | raster | the cheapones are actually just oemed off to asus |
| 06:03.50 | raster | :) |
| 06:03.55 | orlok | ahah |
| 06:04.00 | orlok | that may explain it |
| 06:04.08 | raster | so if u are getting a cheap viao - just get an asus |
| 06:04.13 | raster | saves u a few $ |
| 06:04.15 | orlok | though i actually like the eee901, plain gloss black finish |
| 06:04.26 | orlok | last of the pure-linux and SSD eee's |
| 06:04.41 | raster | the eee's are ok |
| 06:04.46 | raster | but frankly- netbooks just dont do it for me |
| 06:04.50 | SwedeMike | johnx: yes, ubuntu. |
| 06:05.01 | johnx | SwedeMike, works well? even suspend? |
| 06:05.06 | raster | either give me a real big soldi kbd and real screen (15" or better - 17" preferably) |
| 06:05.15 | raster | or screw it.. i'll just want a smartphone |
| 06:05.21 | raster | then it lives in my pocket nicely |
| 06:05.36 | orlok | yeah, now that i have an N900, i'm thinking the same |
| 06:05.53 | SwedeMike | johnx: yes, I had to do a workaround in 9.04 or 9.10, but after that it works. Don't know if 10.04 and 10.10 works well without it. It's documented in launchpad, but it's been working 100% since then. |
| 06:06.10 | raster | orlok: its a bit crampd .. but the fact that it requrioes no bag/carrier |
| 06:06.16 | raster | and just can lurk in a pocket.. is worth it all |
| 06:07.11 | raster | i suspect the sweetspot for smartphoners is about the 4" screen mark |
| 06:07.19 | raster | 5" is probably just over |
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| 06:07.25 | raster | 3.5" is on he small side |
| 06:07.39 | raster | so maybe 4l3" is possibly the best middleground |
| 06:07.41 | SwedeMike | yeah, if it's bigger than iphone4, htc desire etc, then it's going to be too big for neatly fitting in the pocket. |
| 06:07.45 | raster | big enough to visibly fit a lot of content |
| 06:07.51 | raster | small enough to still fit in MOSt pockets |
| 06:08.30 | raster | (unless you are a girl with an awesome behind wearing those skintight jeans.. but then u likely cant fit anything in your pockets.. so why bother having any?) |
| 06:08.33 | SwedeMike | though I can still see an additional use for a 7-10" pad for doing some couch/bed surfing on. |
| 06:08.46 | raster | sure |
| 06:09.09 | raster | 7-12" or so is "let it sit next to the couch/bed/coffee table for a bit of bigger screen surfing" |
| 06:09.14 | raster | but not portable |
| 06:09.27 | raster | not portable in the smartphone sense |
| 06:09.45 | SwedeMike | exactly. |
| 06:09.49 | xkr47 | portable in the NMT450 sense |
| 06:09.58 | SwedeMike | ericsson hotline. |
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| 06:20.03 | djszapi | from which release does the qtcore module part of the Maemo architecture ? It was shipped already on fremantle if I remember well, I am not sure about Diablo or previous releases. |
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| 06:36.55 | TermanaDesire | raster: I disagree about 4 inch. I personally like 3.5 - it gives me full control of the screen without stretching too much and my n810 was 4.3 and I that was uncomfortable IMO. OTOH I think 3.5 seems to look a little awkward in portrait and 3.7 looks awkward in landscape |
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| 06:38.56 | raster | TermanaDesire: thge n800/810 had a LOT of junk surrounding the screen |
| 06:39.00 | raster | wasted space |
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| 06:39.13 | raster | my galaxy-s is 4" |
| 06:39.18 | raster | and i have to say its about right |
| 06:40.20 | visz | it's not the size of the screen, it's how you utilize it |
| 06:41.16 | TermanaDesire | visz: I see what you did there ;p |
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| 06:41.27 | visz | sorry, i had to =) |
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| 06:51.54 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 06:52.17 | xkr47 | hi |
| 06:52.32 | TiagoTiago | would it be safe to optify /usr/lib/locales ? |
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| 06:53.28 | TiagoTiago | locale* |
| 06:53.34 | kerio | i'd just bindmount / to /home/root/ |
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| 06:53.37 | kerio | :3 |
| 06:53.41 | kerio | or, rather, the opposite |
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| 06:54.29 | TiagoTiago | i've once again reached zero bytes free on rootfs :( |
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| 06:55.09 | kerio | i've got like 60mb |
| 06:55.15 | kerio | i bet that's why it doesn't let me upgrade to pr1.3 |
| 06:55.30 | kerio | :( |
| 06:55.35 | TiagoTiago | :( |
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| 06:55.57 | TiagoTiago | but is it saafe to optify /usr/lib/locale? |
| 06:56.12 | SwedeMike | I have 75 after upgrade and it went fine. |
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| 06:56.17 | TiagoTiago | and what about /usr/share/locale ? |
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| 06:58.45 | TiagoTiago | anyone? |
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| 07:01.09 | budfive | ~pr1.3 |
| 07:01.09 | infobot | hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 07:09.50 | phellarv | ~pr1.4 |
| 07:09.50 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 07:10.10 | phellarv | ;-P |
| 07:11.03 | RobbieThe1st | ~pr1.5 |
| 07:11.03 | infobot | ACTION beats robbiethe1st with a Nostradamus papercopy 43.8 times. "That's your PR1.5!" |
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| 07:21.41 | crashanddie | morning |
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| 07:22.16 | X-Fade | morning |
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| 07:29.31 | crashanddie | X-Fade, how are the servers holding up to the "OFMG PR1.3"-botnet? |
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| 07:30.24 | X-Fade | Everything in .fi is fine, Reggie's server is quite overloaded. |
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| 07:30.41 | crashanddie | seems to respond well now |
| 07:30.51 | crashanddie | it took quite a beating as I understand it? |
| 07:31.33 | crashanddie | we didn't even break the usercount record. |
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| 07:32.29 | X-Fade | Yeah, probably because of the engadget article. Driving anonymous users to the site? |
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| 07:33.56 | crashanddie | X-Fade, they still count as "users online" as I understand it |
| 07:33.58 | crashanddie | "Paul, the oracle octopus who shot to fame in the World Cup this summer for his uncanny ability to predict the results of Germany's soccer matches, has died at his home in Oberhausen at the age of two." |
| 07:34.26 | Lynoure | Hmm, I wonder if I can get cruft for N900... |
| 07:35.14 | Lynoure | Seems like just the thing to have, on a device where root partition space is at a premium. |
| 07:35.27 | jacekowski | crashanddie: old news |
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| 07:40.32 | jarkkom | well some things you can always depend on |
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| 07:41.09 | jarkkom | nokia qt sdk updater on windows corrupted the installation again when upgrading to pr1.3 components |
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| 07:56.51 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale ? |
| 07:57.54 | TiagoTiago | anyone? |
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| 07:59.40 | SchorschlV6 | what the hell is wrong with my n900 :D |
| 07:59.40 | SchorschlV6 | > 1008 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 to remove and 3 not upgraded. |
| 07:59.41 | SchorschlV6 | > Need to get 84,1MB of archives. |
| 07:59.41 | SchorschlV6 | this can't be true :D |
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| 08:05.33 | ieatlint | SchorschlV6: that would be pr1.3 update |
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| 08:07.48 | SchorschlV6 | ieatlint: how long is pr1.3 released? |
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| 08:08.28 | peb | ~pr1.3 |
| 08:08.28 | infobot | well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 08:08.46 | peb | SchorschlV6 ... hey, the infobot still works :-) |
| 08:09.33 | SchorschlV6 | uh nice, didn't notice that |
| 08:09.59 | SchorschlV6 | hope the mediaplayer bt stream bug is fixed^^ |
| 08:10.31 | peb | SchorschlV6 ... don't know, AFAIK there are no (zero) releasenotes |
| 08:10.41 | ieatlint | there are release notes |
| 08:10.57 | ieatlint | they're in infobot's message that you just requested (see the url with "releae notes" in it) |
| 08:11.14 | peb | ieatlint --> ok, so i'm proven wrong on my knowledge. sorry 4 that, but good to know |
| 08:11.33 | ieatlint | and it fixes a bluetooth bug where it continued to play dead audio to bt devices after audio playback had actually stopped |
| 08:11.33 | SchorschlV6 | jep, i have the notes here... this was just a hope before reading :D |
| 08:11.33 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/lib/locale? |
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| 08:18.07 | ieatlint | SchorschlV6: if the bluetooth bug you mean is bug #9640 .. it's fixed |
| 08:18.08 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9640 Huge battery drain because BT-headset sound is not stopped |
| 08:18.22 | maybeArgh | ooh |
| 08:18.26 | maybeArgh | that preenv stuff looks nice |
| 08:20.12 | TiagoTiago | i haven't managed to try it yet, ran out of space on rootfs while installing one of those libgles that a game would need and have been trying to free up space ever since (been at it for at least a few hours already :( |
| 08:21.22 | TiagoTiago | one of those libgles things* |
| 08:22.15 | maybeArgh | very stupid question: where would i get pre games? is there any way to buy & download them without actually owning a pre? |
| 08:22.49 | ilius | when updating package "maemo" , i have no enough space (87 MB) in rootfs (the is 85 MB available), i think that needing space is temporary! is it ok if I map /tmp to another storage and update? |
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| 08:23.31 | TiagoTiago | i'm not even close to having so much space avaiable :( |
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| 08:24.23 | TiagoTiago | which brings me back to my question: is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/lib/locale? |
| 08:25.31 | peb | ?: what terminal are you using when on the N900 (for doing stuff on maemo on the cli?) |
| 08:25.48 | TiagoTiago | me? |
| 08:26.10 | peb | yes ... I'm in xterm and missing a couple of files / the SD card .. |
| 08:26.57 | TiagoTiago | i use the one that comes with the N900 |
| 08:27.20 | TiagoTiago | i don't have a SD card |
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| 08:27.39 | TiagoTiago | but i can do cd / just fine |
| 08:28.03 | SwedeMike | google latitude on the n900, I don't want to use the browser based version to update my location (uses too much cpu/battery), what are my other options? I'd prefer not to enable devel |
| 08:28.03 | peb | TiagoTiag, ok, then I have a understanding problem, perhaps you can help. what are the device names for the N900 and the SD? /dev/mmc1 (should be N900) /dev/mmc2 should be the SD, right? |
| 08:28.55 | TiagoTiago | i dunno, lemme check what is present on mine |
| 08:30.09 | Jucato | SD card is /dev/mmcblk1p1 mounted at /media/mmc1 |
| 08:30.10 | SchorschlV6 | hmh i shouldn't upgrade... 3 month uptime :D |
| 08:30.37 | TiagoTiago | mmcblk0 mmcblk0p1 mmcblk0p2 mmcblk0p3 |
| 08:30.37 | Jucato | /dev/mmcblk0p2 is /home |
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| 08:30.47 | TiagoTiago | <PROTECTED> |
| 08:31.14 | Jucato | /dev/mmcblk0p1 is ~/MyDocs |
| 08:31.22 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/lib/locale? |
| 08:33.37 | TiagoTiago | i'm starting to worry i might need to reflash again if i can't figure out how to get the free space in rootfs back to more manageable levels soon :( |
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| 08:35.08 | alterego | ~flashing |
| 08:35.09 | infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 08:35.25 | ShadowJK | my n900 is back from repairs \o/ |
| 08:35.37 | |187| | 3 months SchorschlV6 ? never ran out of bat? :O |
| 08:35.38 | alterego | woo! :D |
| 08:35.45 | |187| | thats like impossible for me |
| 08:36.11 | TiagoTiago | I really am not in the mood to reinstall so many programs all over again (last few times i tried batch installing a bunch of programs at once things went bad easilly, i have to install oat most only a few at time, then manujally optify some stuff etc and then repeat) |
| 08:36.18 | ShadowJK | they slapped a crummy screen protector ontop of the old one, and the battery is stone dead so i cant even boot to see if it's repaired |
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| 08:36.39 | alterego | Urgh |
| 08:36.48 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 08:37.07 | |187| | ShadowJK: no replacement bat ? |
| 08:37.10 | SchorschlV6 | |187| : i have a charger at home, in my office, in my car, and a mobile battery charger :D |
| 08:37.28 | |187| | ordered a cheap one for that purpose for about 5pounds or so |
| 08:37.29 | ShadowJK | ah, a few minutes of dc-10 car charger and it booted |
| 08:38.49 | TiagoTiago | at least there is a good thing waiting me next time i do a total reflash, i'll keep the original rootfs untouched and will use a copy of it in the internal big memory so i'll never run out of space so easilly |
| 08:39.21 | SchorschlV6 | hope the update over air works this time |
| 08:39.26 | alterego | heh |
| 08:39.37 | TiagoTiago | good luck |
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| 08:40.35 | chem|st | moaning |
| 08:40.42 | SchorschlV6 | got 1101 packages^^ lets see what happen now |
| 08:40.52 | TiagoTiago | starts to wonder how safe it would be to stick the stylus up his nostril all the way in...... |
| 08:41.31 | chem|st | SchorschlV6: dont apt-get distupgrade |
| 08:42.24 | SchorschlV6 | why i shouldn't do that? |
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| 08:42.49 | TiagoTiago | might hurt your smelling cells? |
| 08:44.24 | ShadowJK | mm, freshly flashed n900, 101.5M free on / |
| 08:44.40 | TiagoTiago | yummy |
| 08:46.23 | auenf | that beats my 60mb |
| 08:46.37 | auenf | altho i havent flashed since i got it... |
| 08:48.11 | SchorschlV6 | auenf: you use pr1.1 ? |
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| 08:48.19 | auenf | 1.2 |
| 08:48.42 | auenf | will throw 1.3 on after this weekend sometime |
| 08:50.30 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/lib/locale? |
| 08:51.11 | RST38h | ShadowJK: What do you do to keep it that clean? |
| 08:51.19 | RST38h | Never had more than 70MB free |
| 08:52.19 | SchorschlV6 | RST38h: you can link /var/cache/apt to the second partition |
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| 09:00.33 | SchorschlV6 | upgrade done^^ letz reboot |
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| 09:01.22 | TiagoTiago | how can i find out myself whether it is safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/share/locale, other than trying it and seeing if it fucks up the device? |
| 09:01.57 | qhubekela | ~pr1.3 |
| 09:01.57 | infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
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| 09:06.20 | Oli``` | Could somebody tell me what their repository settings are for the default catalogues (Nokia Applications and Nokia System Software Updates) please? |
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| 09:10.07 | SchorschlV6 | upgrade over air seems to be done successfully |
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| 09:11.55 | _trine | whats the difference between the USA PR 1.3 and any UK one that might be released |
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| 09:14.55 | ZogG | _trine go with global |
| 09:15.38 | _trine | is there any difference you know of between the different firmwares |
| 09:16.09 | TiagoTiago | I did apt-get install libgles-sgx-img cause it said it ould be needed to play Pre's Need for Speed Undercover, but there wasm't enough space left on rootfs and it didn't got all they way thru, i tried clearing up some space and trying tol install again, bad idea, now i can't find what else to optfify and dthere is no space for dpkg to run and its all messy :( |
| 09:17.03 | xkr47 | :( |
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| 09:18.17 | SchorschlV6 | TiagoTiago: link /var/cache/apt to /home/user/MyDocs/apt |
| 09:18.30 | _trine | is there a link to do the upgrade OTA |
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| 09:18.45 | SchorschlV6 | ~pr1.3 |
| 09:18.45 | infobot | i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 09:19.12 | TiagoTiago | it would be better if this automated reply was sent privatly... |
| 09:19.44 | SchorschlV6 | true |
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| 09:21.20 | TiagoTiago | that folder is already optified |
| 09:21.49 | SchorschlV6 | with the new kernel it's pretty fast now |
| 09:22.22 | TiagoTiago | dpkg: unable to open/create status database lockfile: No space left on device |
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| 09:22.45 | SchorschlV6 | you can try apt-get clean |
| 09:23.26 | TiagoTiago | still not enough free space |
| 09:23.36 | SchorschlV6 | outsch |
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| 09:26.00 | Jenna | ~pr1.3 |
| 09:26.00 | infobot | pr1.3 is probably the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 09:26.06 | phryk | oh |
| 09:26.15 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 09:26.39 | phryk | mh |
| 09:26.45 | phryk | nothing i need in that text⦠|
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| 09:27.31 | phryk | I still don't know how to get root on 1.3⦠have rootsh installed but sudo gainroot asks me for a pass, and I can't find it. also can't change the user-pw with passwd :/ |
| 09:30.30 | ZogG | phryk just type root |
| 09:30.58 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify /usr/lib/locale and /usr/lib/locale? |
| 09:31.05 | SchorschlV6 | phryk : have you ssh-server installed? |
| 09:31.16 | becks | what is the difference between nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 and nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/203 ? |
| 09:31.36 | becks | i have 203, and a friend mr0 |
| 09:31.58 | TiagoTiago | or how can i find the answer other than by trying and risking messing things even more? |
| 09:32.02 | ZogG | the version i think |
| 09:32.09 | ZogG | i mean global uk us and so on |
| 09:32.27 | ZogG | TiagoTiago wait for someone who did it to ask |
| 09:32.34 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 09:32.47 | phryk | SchorschlV6: yes |
| 09:32.56 | phryk | oh mom |
| 09:33.03 | phryk | just assumed it didn't get started |
| 09:33.30 | phryk | nice it's running |
| 09:34.07 | Jenna | ~flashing |
| 09:34.07 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:34.09 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, backup and find out. how were you planning on optifying it? |
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| 09:34.56 | SchorschlV6 | phryk: you can chmod 4555 /bin/su then you can easy use su to become root |
| 09:35.08 | TiagoTiago | copy to /opt, delete the original, then symlinl the copy back to the original location (would do oit with Midinight Commander) |
| 09:35.17 | TiagoTiago | symlink* |
| 09:35.42 | Almehdi | wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space#Move_apt_cache_outside_of_rootfs |
| 09:36.03 | phryk | SchorschlV6: i know |
| 09:36.05 | TiagoTiago | i think that one is already optified here |
| 09:36.07 | phryk | SchorschlV6: you did mean +s right?^^ |
| 09:36.16 | phryk | at least i did that, just like the last time :] |
| 09:36.44 | phryk | now i can get rid of rootsh :) |
| 09:36.53 | phryk | SchorschlV6: thanks a bunch for pointing out the obvious ^^; |
| 09:37.11 | TiagoTiago | why you want to get rid of rootsh? |
| 09:37.28 | phryk | less risk |
| 09:37.40 | TiagoTiago | heh |
| 09:37.49 | phryk | i can't change the darn pw for user, it is very possibly some weak standard pw documented somewhere |
| 09:38.05 | ZogG | phryk risk of dinosaurs take your phone and use root? |
| 09:38.07 | TiagoTiago | usually it helps me fix things when they get broken by other means |
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| 09:38.22 | phryk | I also am searching for a way to force a pw-prompt before installing packages, haven't found anything yet :/ |
| 09:38.33 | phryk | ZogG: something like that |
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| 09:38.59 | Almehdi | rootsh makes you own the dedvicde... without it the device will own you ;) |
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| 09:39.09 | ZogG | phryk oh, i would give my n900 to see alive dinosaur |
| 09:39.12 | phryk | Almehdi: You know that there is still su? |
| 09:39.22 | Almehdi | sure |
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| 09:39.35 | phryk | Almehdi: so why keep rootsh? |
| 09:39.42 | dneary | Hi |
| 09:39.50 | Almehdi | easier |
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| 09:39.55 | phryk | than su? |
| 09:40.01 | phryk | o_O |
| 09:40.16 | phryk | it doesn't get much easier than 2 letters and a password-prompt⦠|
| 09:40.18 | dneary | I'm testing out some sample code in some of the tutorials & developer guides |
| 09:40.20 | ZogG | su is not working i thin |
| 09:40.29 | Almehdi | hmm.. havent really thought about it |
| 09:40.30 | phryk | oh it is |
| 09:40.34 | phryk | trust me, i just used it |
| 09:40.38 | TiagoTiago | i thought there wasn't su and sudo on the N900 without it..... |
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| 09:40.51 | dneary | Specifically, I am up to this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Generic_Platform_Components/Using_Address_Book_API#OssoABookContactView |
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| 09:41.04 | dneary | The code compiles just fine, but fails in SB |
| 09:41.09 | dneary | Core dump. |
| 09:41.14 | dneary | With errors in gtkrc |
| 09:41.28 | dneary | [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/src/maemoexamples/maemo-examples] > ./example_abook2 |
| 09:41.28 | dneary | /usr/share/libosso-abook/gtkrc.libosso-abook:33: Invalid symbolic color 'SecondaryTextColor' |
| 09:41.28 | dneary | /usr/share/libosso-abook/gtkrc.libosso-abook:33: error: invalid identifier `SecondaryTextColor', expected valid identifier |
| 09:41.28 | dneary | Segmentation fault (core dumped) |
| 09:41.31 | ZogG | dneary your lost |
| 09:41.51 | dneary | ZogG, I'm afraid I don't understand |
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| 09:42.09 | phryk | dneary: there is a devel channel for that |
| 09:42.14 | TiagoTiago | HAM crashes when i open it :/ |
| 09:42.14 | dneary | gdb also dumps core when loading the core file |
| 09:42.16 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, well, its not the same as full confirmation, but I have /usr/lib/locale optified now |
| 09:42.17 | phryk | i think #maemo-devel (would make sense) |
| 09:42.21 | lcuk | 10mb saved |
| 09:42.35 | ZogG | phryk i think he knows better =) |
| 09:42.38 | dneary | phryk, Really? I have always believed this was the dev channel |
| 09:43.36 | phryk | dneary: https://wiki.maemo.org/IRC <-- #maemo-devel seems abour right^^ |
| 09:43.48 | TiagoTiago | would you mind also trying on /usr/share/locale, and then rebooting to see if it won't mess things up? |
| 09:43.58 | ZogG | dneary have you read of my proposal in community |
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| 09:44.45 | dneary | ZogG, Jog my memory, please? Your proposal about what, and what's your real name? |
| 09:45.35 | granden | Anyone who knows where haze stores the buddy icons? |
| 09:45.36 | TiagoTiago | lcuk, would you mind also trying on /usr/share/locale, and then rebooting to see if it won't mess things up? |
| 09:45.38 | dneary | ZogG, I don't commit IRC nicks to memory much :) |
| 09:45.40 | ZogG | dneary, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63158 |
| 09:45.58 | dneary | ZogG, Ah - I assumed you meant maemo-community@maemo.org |
| 09:46.31 | ZogG | dneary i meant proposal for community |
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| 09:46.56 | dneary | ZogG, Nice idea |
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| 09:47.20 | dneary | I would favour sending everyone to one place - preferably transifex - and have translators collaborate |
| 09:47.43 | dneary | Rather than try to adapt Garage, which wasn't really built for the use-case you propose |
| 09:48.04 | ZogG | dneary it's a mess their as one person in charge for teams and not always grant request |
| 09:48.05 | dneary | But the idea of having users guided to l10ns of apps is a good one |
| 09:49.39 | ZogG | dneary i'm using english on device but i know russian and little bit hebrew |
| 09:49.49 | ZogG | so i would like to contribute at least translations |
| 09:50.54 | phryk | maemo made me rediscover bassdrive |
| 09:51.30 | phryk | just plain awesome to sit in the bus/train and listen to one of the best dnb streams available :) |
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| 09:56.20 | ZogG | xmms2> Speech Debelle - Daddy's Little Girl ["Speech Therapy" 2009] |
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| 09:56.24 | ZogG | phryk, ^ |
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| 09:56.54 | phryk | that dnb? don't know that artist⦠|
| 09:57.00 | phryk | Always open for recommendations :) |
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| 09:58.17 | phryk | @ ZogG |
| 09:59.56 | TiagoTiago | well, gonna try rebooting with locale optified |
| 10:00.04 | TiagoTiago | cya (i hope) |
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| 10:02.08 | dneary | timeless*: Allo allo? |
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| 10:02.16 | timeless_mbp | hi |
| 10:02.19 | timeless_mbp | what can i do for you? |
| 10:02.47 | dneary | timeless_mbp, I hear you know the l10n set-up pretty well |
| 10:02.54 | phryk | btw: is there a generic tabulator keycombo? |
| 10:03.04 | timeless_mbp | for which project? |
| 10:03.06 | phryk | i only found one for the osso-xterm⦠need it in xchat as well |
| 10:03.10 | timeless_mbp | but yeah, in general i can probably help |
| 10:03.21 | merlin_phone | hey anyone else has the weird bug with the initial browser page (bookmarklist) that it snaps back to the first item if you scroll further than the last item? |
| 10:03.33 | dneary | I would like to know how to go from a string like addr_ap_address_book in a desktop file to a plain string like "Contacts" |
| 10:03.46 | dneary | I have not found any good docs on it |
| 10:04.13 | dneary | I understand that X-Text-Domain=osso-addressbook is used to refer to where the translations are kept |
| 10:04.20 | timeless_mbp | yep |
| 10:04.35 | dneary | So I did a "locate osso-addressbook" in sb, but it didn't show anything |
| 10:05.04 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 10:05.08 | timeless_mbp | that's unlikely to do the right thing |
| 10:05.12 | dneary | (because locate doesn't work in sb for me) |
| 10:05.19 | timeless_mbp | try installing my pr1.2 package |
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| 10:05.42 | dneary | which one? |
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| 10:05.50 | lardman | morning |
| 10:05.57 | timeless_mbp | well, you have a choice of en-US or en-GB |
| 10:06.13 | timeless_mbp | as long as you install the one your scratchbox is using you should be happy |
| 10:06.16 | dneary | timeless_mbp, I'm going to need a URL or something |
| 10:06.28 | dneary | I don't know what "my pr1.2 package" might be |
| 10:06.43 | timeless_mbp | i think it's in /query |
| 10:07.03 | dneary | Are you talking about a package that replaces locate? |
| 10:07.16 | dneary | Not anything to do with translations, right? |
| 10:08.13 | dneary | I'm a little lost |
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| 10:09.31 | andre_41 | dneary: timeless talks about timeless' private (better) translations |
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| 10:10.03 | timeless_mbp | well, they aren't updated for 1.3, i should try to do that today |
| 10:11.34 | dneary | andre_41, Ah |
| 10:11.46 | dneary | Where I was looking for information about how translations work |
| 10:12.02 | dneary | andre_41, Thanks for the illumination |
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| 10:12.15 | dneary | lunch... |
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| 10:12.56 | dneary | No PR 1.3 update in SB SDK yet... is that right? Or do I have to update repos? |
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| 10:16.02 | timeless_mbp | dneary: anyway, for testing purposes you want a decent (i.e. nearly complete) set of strings |
| 10:16.08 | timeless_mbp | the sdk generally doesn't help there |
| 10:16.24 | timeless_mbp | as long as you don't need pr1.3 strings, using mine should be "good enough" for testing |
| 10:16.41 | timeless_mbp | is trying to avoid opening XTerminal to check a .desktop file |
| 10:16.46 | timeless_mbp | is also trying to poke mercurial |
| 10:17.12 | dneary | timeless_mbp, Does Maemo use gettext? |
| 10:17.27 | timeless_mbp | yes |
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| 10:17.39 | dneary | timeless_mbp, I've never seen a "text domain" before in gettext |
| 10:18.16 | timeless_mbp | man 3 dgettext |
| 10:19.49 | dneary | timeless_mbp, So where are the .po files for official apps? |
| 10:20.07 | timeless_mbp | install my package ;-) |
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| 10:20.12 | dneary | Or are only the .mo files shipped? |
| 10:20.22 | timeless_mbp | only mo's are shipped |
| 10:20.28 | dneary | Bummer |
| 10:20.32 | timeless_mbp | but my package lets you deal w/ that |
| 10:20.39 | timeless_mbp | it gives you a ui to review .mo files |
| 10:20.54 | dneary | So there's no way to find out, as a user, which .desktop file corresponds to the "Contacts" application? |
| 10:21.17 | timeless_mbp | install my package |
| 10:21.18 | dneary | (noting that in osso-addressbook, there is no occurrence of the "Contacts" string |
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| 10:21.33 | timeless_mbp | i'll give you steps :) |
| 10:21.34 | ruskie | contacts is osso-addressbook iirc |
| 10:21.36 | timeless_mbp | 1. install my package |
| 10:21.38 | timeless_mbp | 2. open settings |
| 10:21.43 | timeless_mbp | 3. open american english |
| 10:21.48 | timeless_mbp | 4. select advanced options |
| 10:21.56 | dneary | ruskie, Yes, I did notice that :) |
| 10:21.58 | timeless_mbp | 5. select the locale you're using and one tiny locale |
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| 10:22.08 | dneary | Should the web browser work inside Scratchbox? |
| 10:22.19 | dneary | I'm starting to think that I missed a step to getting a usable SDK |
| 10:22.24 | timeless_mbp | e.g. en_US.2 and eo |
| 10:22.26 | dneary | Browser doesn't launch |
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| 10:22.38 | timeless_mbp | 6. select "Lookup identifier" |
| 10:22.49 | dneary | (so I'm stuck at step 1) |
| 10:22.55 | ruskie | tries to see if he can survive an upgrade without needing to reflash... |
| 10:23.10 | dneary | Is there a way to manually, locally install from a .install file? |
| 10:23.13 | timeless_mbp | dneary: yeah |
| 10:23.19 | timeless_mbp | you can just read the .install file |
| 10:23.22 | timeless_mbp | it's a human readable format |
| 10:23.42 | timeless_mbp | in theory you can probably try launching the .install file w/ ham, that should work |
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| 10:24.42 | timeless_mbp | anyway, in theory that should work, for some reason lookup identifier seems to be fighting me |
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| 10:24.50 | timeless_mbp | but Search within translations works |
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| 10:25.24 | ruskie | hmm how soon does apt usually report a dependency conflict? |
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| 10:26.24 | timeless_mbp | "can't install" |
| 10:26.28 | timeless_mbp | see log :) |
| 10:26.37 | ruskie | fun |
| 10:26.53 | timeless_mbp | nah, it probably says something, i'm too lazy to check |
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| 10:27.37 | ruskie | I'm checking through ham right now... supposed to list stuff under problems for the update |
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| 10:34.20 | andrewfblack | am I the only person that when you work an hour on a wiki entry and then someone comes back and changes the format or look for it, you get pissed off |
| 10:34.38 | andrewfblack | I've never been able to community enough to like wikis |
| 10:35.12 | kerio | huh? why? |
| 10:35.23 | andrewfblack | I know I shouldn't in fact sometimes it looks better just drives me crasy still lol |
| 10:35.33 | kerio | you're weird |
| 10:35.34 | SpeedEvil | The correct action in that case is always the same. |
| 10:35.37 | Chani | yes, wikis fail at merging. |
| 10:35.38 | kerio | that's the point of wikis |
| 10:35.43 | SpeedEvil | Drive to their house, and bury them under a patio. |
| 10:35.51 | kerio | Chani: no, he's pissed that other people change what he wrote |
| 10:36.00 | Chani | andrewfblack: it would help if you didn't spend an hour working on it without committing :) |
| 10:36.05 | Chani | oh |
| 10:36.08 | Chani | n/m then |
| 10:36.16 | Chani | my usual issue is edit conflicts |
| 10:36.51 | kerio | Chani: especially in wikis, commit early, commit often |
| 10:37.24 | ruskie | or use something like ikiwiki |
| 10:37.27 | andrewfblack | sometimes it reminds me of being in school and your english teacher says you need a . here and a space here. Then again I'm working night shift and get someone pissy for no reason |
| 10:37.43 | kerio | andrewfblack: please get out of the internet then |
| 10:37.50 | kerio | it's for the best of both |
| 10:37.55 | andrewfblack | kerio: lol but its my internet |
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| 10:38.06 | kerio | it's not your internet |
| 10:38.10 | kerio | unless it's a wiki on your lan |
| 10:38.28 | SpeedEvil | Fork the wiki. :) |
| 10:39.03 | kerio | ooh, idea for mediawiki |
| 10:39.06 | kerio | branches for each edit |
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| 10:39.43 | ruskie | yay... I can haz all the music I want from ovi music store with pr1.3... to bad it's still not available in my country... |
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| 10:40.09 | ruskie | I'll stick to buying the few CDs that really interest me and skipping all the other junk |
| 10:41.41 | SpeedEvil | wonders how close you have to zoom in with the camera to pick up the grooves on a CD. |
| 10:41.58 | RobbieThe1st | More than most camera's can handle? |
| 10:42.25 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 10:43.05 | SpeedEvil | I think ~.5mm square image would comfortably reveal the grooves |
| 10:43.07 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, the laser tracking for a cd - i recall an analogy of flying a supersonic jet over the central reservation of a motorway and tracking position within 1inch of the barrier |
| 10:43.23 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 10:43.32 | lcuk | isn't technology awesome |
| 10:43.33 | SpeedEvil | I know way too much about the encoding of CDs. |
| 10:44.10 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, easier method for picking up the contents of a cd |
| 10:44.30 | lcuk | take a photo of the label, ocr it then buy it and download contents from digital media store :P |
| 10:44.48 | kerio | i'd love a program like that for the n900 |
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| 10:45.04 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: You're missing the point! |
| 10:45.09 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 10:45.09 | kerio | photograph the cd label, it finds the album name and starts downloading it from what.cd |
| 10:45.12 | lcuk | :D |
| 10:45.30 | SpeedEvil | I want a barcode reader -> product ID map |
| 10:45.39 | SpeedEvil | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/26/tesco_iphone/ |
| 10:45.43 | SpeedEvil | Like that - sort-of |
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| 10:46.03 | SpeedEvil | you take pics of the barcode, and it adds it to your list. |
| 10:46.47 | kerio | yeah, i want an application that takes a pic of the barcode and adds it to my transmission-daemon |
| 10:47.04 | SpeedEvil | Can transmission handle cans of beans? |
| 10:47.39 | kerio | if it could, it would be *awesome* |
| 10:47.47 | nid0 | if it can, im looking forward to downloading a new car |
| 10:47.50 | kerio | "What are you doing?" "I'm downloading some bacon" |
| 10:48.45 | kerio | nid0: YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD A CAR |
| 10:48.51 | lcuk | kerio, I already have bacon supplies on my 900 |
| 10:48.53 | nid0 | too goddamn right i would :( |
| 10:49.13 | lcuk | open keyboard, add rasher, slide keyboard back in and run some intensive grilling process |
| 10:49.18 | kerio | lcuk: never enuff bacon |
| 10:49.42 | kerio | nid0: http://img.chan4chan.com/img/2009-03-16/1237240452958.jpg |
| 10:49.56 | kerio | nid0: also http://turbo.inquisitr.com/wp-content/2010/07/download-a-bear.png |
| 10:50.45 | nid0 | maybe ill just go back to shooting policemen to steal their helmets |
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| 11:04.31 | jave | hello |
| 11:05.21 | jave | I'm having trouble upgrading to the latest pushed maemo release on my n900, I'm just wondering if its a) worth the trouble and b) how to do it if my pc uite doesnt work? |
| 11:05.47 | jave | is there a changelog somewhere? |
| 11:07.04 | chem|st | jave: hi |
| 11:07.12 | chem|st | jave: no changelog |
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| 11:07.36 | Scelt | ~pr.13 |
| 11:07.39 | Scelt | ~pr1.3 |
| 11:07.39 | infobot | methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 11:08.00 | jave | Thanks |
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| 11:08.11 | chem|st | jave: the appmanager should tell you on the details page of the package which package has conflicts with the upgrade |
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| 11:08.57 | jave | well, I followed the on-screen instructions, but failed thoroughly |
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| 11:09.20 | chem|st | jave: you mean pc-suite? |
| 11:09.23 | jave | yes |
| 11:09.28 | chem|st | jave: just dont |
| 11:09.37 | andre_41 | jave, there is a link to fixed public bugs at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 |
| 11:09.59 | chem|st | jave: grab your phone and open the application manager pls |
| 11:10.08 | jave | ok |
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| 11:10.18 | chem|st | jave: go to updates and tap the maemo5 one |
| 11:11.24 | chem|st | there you should find details and at the install tab you should see either libqt4-test or libgles1-sgx-img is conflicting |
| 11:11.27 | jave | its very slow, but I'm doing it |
| 11:11.35 | chem|st | jave: np |
| 11:12.25 | jave | ive done this previously but never got to a conflict screen |
| 11:12.33 | chem|st | jave: it is one of your installed packages using one or both of these libraries |
| 11:12.49 | chem|st | it should be the "installs" screen |
| 11:12.49 | jave | now it says "please connect pc suite" (but in swedish) |
| 11:13.05 | chem|st | any buttons or tabs? |
| 11:13.25 | jave | it wants to make a backup copy it seems |
| 11:13.57 | jave | and ive already made one previously |
| 11:14.02 | chem|st | jave: do you have any 3D games installed? |
| 11:14.05 | jave | no |
| 11:14.15 | chem|st | healtcheck? |
| 11:14.24 | jave | hmm what is that? |
| 11:14.50 | alterego | thinks mad-developer should add /opt/usr/lib to /etc/ld.so.conf |
| 11:15.10 | jave | ok, so now I make a new backup anyway |
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| 11:15.24 | chem|st | why? |
| 11:15.32 | jave | well it asked me to |
| 11:15.55 | jave | I cant seem to get by the "make backup copy" stage of the upgrade |
| 11:15.57 | pexi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LGLj8_S2WgA |
| 11:16.34 | jave | argh |
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| 11:18.07 | jave | ah! now I find an info screen which says conflict with libgles1 |
| 11:18.20 | jave | so I should remove that pkg? |
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| 11:21.39 | nid0 | youll also need to remove whatever requires it, itll be a game almost certainly |
| 11:21.59 | nid0 | if you apt-get remove libgles1* itll tell you what packages depend on it |
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| 11:22.32 | nid0 | you can simply reinstall it after upgrading though |
| 11:23.48 | jave | yes I'm doing that now. seems there was a 3d game after all. |
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| 11:25.03 | jave | my fault for just asuming the "info" screens containd nothing... |
| 11:25.18 | chem|st | jave: hehe |
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| 11:26.34 | tobis87 | Hi, Anyone else noticed that Pr1.3 changed the way swap works? I noticed a lot of "zero pages" with rzscontrol from compcache. But I have no idea, what this actually does: http://pastebin.com/iJYM4sR5 |
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| 11:27.36 | jave | chem|st: so this is the last update to freemantle= |
| 11:27.38 | jave | ? |
| 11:27.48 | FIQ|n900 | the game, everyone |
| 11:27.51 | FIQ|n900 | :D |
| 11:28.00 | FIQ|n900 | ...i lost |
| 11:28.52 | chem|st | jave: it is probably but I wont bet on it as there are still bugfixes on its way |
| 11:30.15 | jave | I'm kind of out of the loop. will there be a meego release for n900 or do I need to get a new device? |
| 11:30.40 | psycho_oreos | there is already a release for meego on n900 |
| 11:30.55 | nid0 | there is and will be a mostly working-as-well-as-possible unofficial release |
| 11:30.57 | jave | coolness |
| 11:30.58 | psycho_oreos | its not stable release the last I heard but its still getting worked on |
| 11:31.09 | nid0 | there wont be a nokia supported or branded official one with any nokia software on it |
| 11:31.15 | LjL | what about Harmattan, is that going to exist for N900? |
| 11:32.11 | nid0 | the chance of the n900 having a nokia supported and supplied new os is probably around 0 |
| 11:32.29 | jave | well I can get a new device np |
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| 11:32.36 | psycho_oreos | don't know and don't think that harmattan is being worked on officially, it maybe is just another stillborn project |
| 11:33.06 | FIQ|n900 | there's no harmattan anymore |
| 11:33.15 | X-Fade | Words to note there ^^ "don't think" ;) |
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| 11:33.34 | psycho_oreos | much like mer I suppose, partial release and it became quiet I suppose |
| 11:33.48 | nid0 | not really |
| 11:33.52 | LjL | no harmattan anymore? but i think just a few days ago here people were discussing whether Harmattan would be officially called MeeGo or Maemo |
| 11:34.09 | psycho_oreos | X-Fade, words of doubt to mark in case there's objections :) |
| 11:34.18 | nid0 | the supposed plan has always been that harmattan is what will be on nokia's next tablet device, and it will just be branded as "an instance of meego" |
| 11:34.37 | FIQ|n900 | i've heard the opposite all the time when meego went official |
| 11:34.38 | nid0 | with qt support but the debian base still intact |
| 11:34.54 | FIQ|n900 | hm, k |
| 11:35.34 | psycho_oreos | I've pretty much more or less the same when meego was announced, it just seems like nokia has pretty much lost interest peddling their own maemo series |
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| 11:40.26 | tobis87 | Mece: Do you have libhildonfm compiled with your patch, http://pastebin.com/R77d7yJQ against Pr1.3? |
| 11:41.24 | FIQ|n900 | Ok, why is the update taking ages? |
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| 11:41.40 | FIQ|n900 | I started it for 1h and 20 mins ago with full battery |
| 11:41.53 | FIQ|n900 | And now i've 20% |
| 11:41.56 | nid0 | because theres like 1,000 packages to update and its a tiny weeny little slow processor |
| 11:42.13 | FIQ|n900 | It took faster last time |
| 11:42.17 | FIQ|n900 | but fine then |
| 11:42.39 | psycho_oreos | you could always get the image and flash it lol |
| 11:43.06 | FIQ|n900 | the progress atm is osso-backup lol |
| 11:43.11 | FIQ|n900 | slow :< |
| 11:43.12 | FIQ|n900 | whatever |
| 11:43.27 | FIQ|n900 | Yeah, i know |
| 11:43.33 | FIQ|n900 | but i'm lazy |
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| 11:44.01 | Termana | LjL, since no one answered your question directly, there is a possibility that Harmattan will be available for the N900, just not from Nokia themselves (Harmattan Hacker's Edition). The other thing is that the hardfp version of 1.2 MeeGo for the N900 should have binary compatibility with Harmattan as well |
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| 11:56.15 | FIQ|n900 | now, tha update is at osso-dsm. :P |
| 11:56.23 | FIQ|n900 | could be 'liiiiittle' faster |
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| 11:59.31 | TiagoTiago | I've just started upgrading to pr1.3 via Synaptic.....how bad of a mistake was that? |
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| 12:01.05 | Termana | TiagoTiago, first let me ask you something |
| 12:01.12 | Termana | How silly do you THINK it was? |
| 12:02.09 | FIQ|n900 | wait, what |
| 12:02.15 | TiagoTiago | Considering i stayed up all night instead of sleeping, i'm guessing it wasn't just a little |
| 12:02.20 | FIQ|n900 | does synaptic even exist for maemo? |
| 12:02.49 | TiagoTiago | Yep, i can even see the OVI store free repo in there :P |
| 12:03.08 | TiagoTiago | I think it became avaiable after i installed EasyDebian |
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| 12:03.33 | Termana | TiagoTiago, ok, so at least we agree - it was silly. |
| 12:04.19 | Termana | TiagoTiago, I think it's a bad thing to do, and apparently the topic thinks so too. But I think you just need to resolve upgrade conflicts, if you know how to do that you should be fine |
| 12:04.23 | TiagoTiago | I guess lack of sleep shook the balance of chemicals in my brain to make me be a bit more reckless than usual |
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| 12:05.39 | dolppp | alteregoooo :D |
| 12:06.10 | TiagoTiago | Somtimes it feels like i get high on lack of sleep....(it probably kills a similar amount of neurons as many other ways to get high) |
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| 12:08.21 | TiagoTiago | (also probably does some damage on the immune systems) |
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| 12:10.51 | crashanddie | and it also damages our "we don't give a fuck" |
| 12:11.41 | Termana | :p |
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| 12:18.49 | dneary | Yay! https://bugs.maemo.org/7107 |
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| 12:22.01 | BCMM | i'm starting to wonder if i might've updated to pr1.3 without noticing at some point; how can i check my version? |
| 12:22.25 | FIQ | Settings, about the product |
| 12:22.28 | psycho_oreos | probably under about device in settings |
| 12:22.30 | psycho_oreos | bleh |
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| 12:23.14 | FIQ | firmware revision is supposed to be 20.2010.36.1 (maybe i failed at some point, but it should be something like that) |
| 12:23.37 | BCMM | mine is 10.2010 something, so that's 1.2 i guess |
| 12:24.32 | BCMM | so am i doing something wrong? i still don't have an update to install |
| 12:24.49 | FIQ | yeah, 10.2010 is the old one |
| 12:24.59 | FIQ | (or well, 10.2010.(...)) |
| 12:25.48 | psycho_oreos | 10.2010.19-1 |
| 12:25.53 | BCMM | i've even got an update for "tweak flash plugin version" waiting that won't install because i don't have 1.3 |
| 12:26.12 | BCMM | is it normal to not be seeing the update at this point? (i'm in the UK) |
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| 12:26.37 | MohammadAG51 | yes, you're in the UK :P |
| 12:26.52 | psycho_oreos | I believe the package is named as maemo5 or something like that.. or you can issue apt-get dist-upgrade from the console |
| 12:27.29 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: the /topic says not to do that |
| 12:27.39 | BCMM | with an all-caps "DO NOT" and all |
| 12:28.08 | BCMM | is it possible that something is blocking it? would HAM say something if that was the case? |
| 12:28.14 | FIQ | Maemo 5 |
| 12:28.22 | dsg | ~pr1.3 |
| 12:28.23 | infobot | pr1.3 is probably the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 12:28.23 | FIQ | is the name of FW updates in package manager |
| 12:28.26 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, bah my bad, though the package should be visible normally afaik |
| 12:28.29 | achipa | DO.. NOT.. INSTALL.. |
| 12:28.43 | BCMM | achipa: do not install what? |
| 12:28.48 | FIQ | By the way... you're not the only one that don't see it in the package manager |
| 12:28.49 | achipa | BCMM: there is nothing new in that version there for PR1.2 users |
| 12:29.10 | FIQ | Some guy at planet maemo, and myself, didn't do eihter (but i just did it with the terminal) |
| 12:29.19 | achipa | BCMM: FOR THWEAKFLASHVER |
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| 12:29.27 | achipa | damn caps... |
| 12:29.35 | BCMM | achipa: it's OK, i can't install it |
| 12:29.40 | FIQ | So, try wait if you want, or use USB |
| 12:29.42 | FIQ | flashing |
| 12:29.42 | BCMM | it's always safe to do apt-get update/apt-get upgrade on maemo, right? |
| 12:30.04 | FIQ | update is np, i dunno about upgrade or dist-upgrade |
| 12:30.14 | FIQ | I run it, but I usually do things you shouldn't do. :P |
| 12:30.15 | psycho_oreos | doesn't seem like it is now. I personally do a backup and flash it myself |
| 12:30.20 | BCMM | assuming you meant ~flashing, i know how to flash; i had to do 1.2 with a PC, and i've broken my kernel once |
| 12:30.24 | BCMM | i'd just rather to OTA |
| 12:30.55 | BCMM | i was wondering whether not having the OTA update available yet means that it will never be available |
| 12:30.56 | FIQ | Running dist-upgrade now actually, but it will not check for enough space in rootfs |
| 12:31.07 | FIQ | (I experienced that yesterday) |
| 12:31.10 | BCMM | FIQ: is that the only problem with -dist-upgrade? |
| 12:31.18 | FIQ | As said, i dunno |
| 12:31.39 | FIQ | I do it, but the most safe would be doing it with usb flashing |
| 12:31.47 | psycho_oreos | yeah I meant ~flashing and I believe it is alot cleaner than doing upgrades OTA (I don't put much faith over OTA but not because its maemo and maemo only) |
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| 12:32.22 | BCMM | FIQ: well, surely the worse than can happen is that one has to flash from PC and lose a bunch of stuff, right? |
| 12:32.33 | FIQ | Yeah, i guess so |
| 12:32.48 | FIQ | It's not like the device will explode, or do a permabrick. :P |
| 12:33.10 | psycho_oreos | someone suggested to me to use dar and to keep a nice backup, which is what I'm doing right now |
| 12:33.27 | BCMM | FIQ: it's pretty hard to permabrick an n900 from software without OCing isn't it? |
| 12:33.47 | BCMM | is it normal to see updates when you do apt-get upgrade, but not when you use HAM? |
| 12:33.48 | FIQ | It's _possible_, but very hard indeed |
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| 12:34.04 | FIQ | Never happened me before the missing PR1.3 in HAM |
| 12:34.30 | Termana | Well you could accidently dd over the bootloader partition |
| 12:34.34 | BCMM | what about minor versions of "boring" packages? |
| 12:34.35 | Termana | Then your up the creek |
| 12:34.53 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: with a bit of luck you get a semi-permabrick |
| 12:35.00 | BCMM | the sort you can't install from the GUI |
| 12:35.05 | FIQ | "a bit of luck" |
| 12:35.08 | FIQ | lol :p |
| 12:35.14 | FIQ | anyway, well, how? |
| 12:35.22 | Termana | FIQ: he means BAD luck |
| 12:35.34 | FIQ | Yeah, i know what he meant |
| 12:35.34 | psycho_oreos | yank the cable when its flashing? heh |
| 12:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | low battery |
| 12:35.37 | FIQ | but still, how? |
| 12:35.45 | FIQ | Oh |
| 12:35.45 | DocScrutinizer | plus bootloop |
| 12:35.56 | Termana | Am I on ignore or something? |
| 12:36.01 | Termana | DD over your bootloader |
| 12:36.05 | FIQ | Meh, wouldn't just a reflash help that? |
| 12:36.22 | Termana | :P |
| 12:36.29 | Termana | Do eeet |
| 12:36.33 | FIQ | Termana: but a dist-upgrade wouldn't do it. :) |
| 12:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: low battery blocks flashing |
| 12:36.47 | DocScrutinizer | bootloop blocks loading |
| 12:36.59 | FIQ | Oh |
| 12:37.06 | Termana | FIQ: you didn't ask weather a dist-upgrade would do it. You asked how could it be done |
| 12:37.07 | FIQ | Lucky me, i've an extra battery :D |
| 12:37.08 | BCMM | suppose you had a really old battery that goes flat faster than they expect? |
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| 12:37.11 | Termana | whether* |
| 12:37.16 | FIQ | Yeah, i know |
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| 12:37.41 | FIQ | My battery is charging atm, as this upgrade seems to take a lot of time |
| 12:37.47 | psycho_oreos | reflash may but I'd hate to be in a semi-permabrick phase.. in theory one isn't able to brick their devices however the case with a truly bricked device and a semi-permabricked device are signs of potential danger |
| 12:38.01 | FIQ | it's on osso-system packages now, and i started the upgrade 2h ago |
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| 12:38.57 | FIQ | lol osso-tutorial |
| 12:39.15 | FIQ | will uninstall that pretty instantly after done installing |
| 12:39.22 | BCMM | what does "semi-permabrick" mean, anyway? |
| 12:39.37 | psycho_oreos | as DocScrutinizer boot loops.. I agree |
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| 12:39.51 | FIQ | Well, if you haven't enough battery to do a proper flash, I guess |
| 12:39.52 | psycho_oreos | you see nokia logo/screen appearing and reappearing and reappearing |
| 12:40.08 | FIQ | (as, you can be saved without services if you change battery) |
| 12:40.10 | eduardowoj | Hello people |
| 12:40.26 | FIQ | Well, rebootloop with full battery would still let you reflash, wouldn't it? |
| 12:40.26 | eduardowoj | I'm a graduate physics student, and got a N900 quite ago |
| 12:40.35 | eduardowoj | is there any fortran compiler for maemo |
| 12:40.47 | eduardowoj | or is it possible to install gfortran in xterminal? |
| 12:40.58 | BCMM | so does pr1.3 work like a normal debianish system, or is there something unique about how it's implemented |
| 12:41.15 | BCMM | eduardowoj: i'd like a fortran compiler too |
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| 12:41.28 | BCMM | eduardowoj: unfortunately, there isn't really supposed to be even a C compiler |
| 12:41.30 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: yes |
| 12:41.33 | psycho_oreos | FIQ, yes, I can't recall who said what was the minimum amount of battery power for reflashing.. I think its no less than 20% |
| 12:41.46 | FIQ | checks his batery |
| 12:41.57 | BCMM | eduardowoj: it probably wouldn't be that hard to build fortran stuff to run on the n900 in scratchbox |
| 12:41.58 | FIQ | yay, 50% |
| 12:42.10 | MohammadAG51 | reflashed on 2% once |
| 12:42.18 | DocScrutinizer | not less than what makes NOLO react properly to holding 'u' |
| 12:42.19 | MohammadAG51 | it shut down after i saved settings |
| 12:42.22 | Termana | eduardowoj, BCMM, or you could just install a fortran compiler in a debian chroot |
| 12:42.27 | psycho_oreos | I charge mine up in either case, better to be safe than sorry :) |
| 12:42.30 | BCMM | eduardowoj: good point |
| 12:42.33 | BCMM | Termana: ^ |
| 12:42.43 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, lol you're suicidal ;) |
| 12:42.52 | chem|st | is the upgrade for UK version out yet? |
| 12:42.58 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, if it dies it'll probably be during rootfs reflash, you can reflash it again |
| 12:43.10 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, and I have 3 batteries and 3 external chargers |
| 12:43.10 | BCMM | eduardowoj: you'll find it a bit slow though |
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| 12:43.23 | MohammadAG51 | so i haz backup |
| 12:43.24 | psycho_oreos | if you failed at 2% and the device won't charge you're pretty much more or less forced to either whip out spare battery or to take it to nokia care I bet |
| 12:43.31 | BCMM | eduardowoj: the n900 feels pretty speedy because a bunch of stuff you do from day-to-day isn't really CPU-bound |
| 12:43.36 | BCMM | compiling, approximately, is |
| 12:43.37 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, see above :P |
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| 12:43.44 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, lol lucky, I don't have any spare batteries |
| 12:44.07 | FIQ | I got one by mistake by nokia when my device borked. :P |
| 12:44.23 | BCMM | ok, how is it possible for pr1.3 not to show up for me? if i can't see it yet, should i assume i never will and flash it? |
| 12:44.24 | FIQ | (taked out everything in it and sent it in, i got a new fresh N900, with everything in it |
| 12:44.27 | FIQ | result: 2 batteries |
| 12:44.27 | MohammadAG51 | you got a replacement and didn't send the battery? |
| 12:44.31 | MohammadAG51 | ha |
| 12:44.39 | psycho_oreos | lol |
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| 12:44.53 | BCMM | don't they ask you for that? |
| 12:45.09 | MohammadAG51 | wants a twitter client |
| 12:45.11 | BCMM | dunno about nokia, but some laptop manufacturers have you remove the battery to save weight |
| 12:45.20 | chem|st | MohammadAG51: you normaly send nothing but the bare device, so neither backcover nor battery |
| 12:45.28 | chem|st | or stylus |
| 12:45.38 | MohammadAG51 | might start on one and dump the QtBrowser code on git |
| 12:45.40 | FIQ | I forgot to put out my stylus :< |
| 12:45.41 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, afaik the OTA upgrade should be available globally, I can't verify that because I'm doing a mass backup and the flasher images are already available |
| 12:45.51 | MohammadAG51 | need to read how APIs work :/ |
| 12:46.00 | FIQ | I've 2 chargers, 2 batteries, 2 usb cables, 2 (...) but just 1 pen |
| 12:46.09 | FIQ | But i don't use it, so i /care. :P |
| 12:46.17 | MohammadAG51 | external chargers ftw |
| 12:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: why should they, they'l usually shredder the returned stuff anyway |
| 12:46.22 | BCMM | psycho_oreos: does it work through the regular debian-based packaging system? |
| 12:46.34 | chem|st | FIQ: I would too I guess as I bought a Lamy Laptop pen with pencil and ballroller |
| 12:46.46 | MohammadAG51 | charge both, use one, empty it, swap batteries, charge empty one, cycle |
| 12:46.57 | psycho_oreos | BCMM, it should.. like I said I've seen it before that it appeared in HAM but I don't normally take OTA routes regardless if its maemo or not. |
| 12:47.06 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: heh, I got my device back from repair with 2 stylii |
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| 12:47.12 | FIQ | Heh |
| 12:47.14 | MohammadAG51 | UK updates are always delayed |
| 12:47.25 | FIQ | Wasn't UK first at PR1.2? |
| 12:47.33 | MohammadAG51 | N97 users used to get updates 2 months late |
| 12:47.34 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: i've already seen a UK phone on 1.3, two days ago |
| 12:47.35 | psycho_oreos | in other words its still not available? o.O |
| 12:47.37 | MohammadAG51 | UK users that is |
| 12:47.47 | MohammadAG51 | BCMM, maybe he reflashed it? |
| 12:47.49 | psycho_oreos | yeah I recall UK was |
| 12:47.57 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: nah, she got it OTA |
| 12:48.02 | MohammadAG51 | PR1.1.1, remember that? |
| 12:48.04 | Termana | Why would you use a region specific version? |
| 12:48.08 | MohammadAG51 | it was released a month later |
| 12:48.11 | SpeedEvil | Oddly - my UK phone is not OTAd |
| 12:48.13 | eduardowoj | 1.3 can run wiicontrol? |
| 12:48.14 | Termana | Use a darn global version |
| 12:48.19 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: it's possible she was incorrect; she did get it fairly recently |
| 12:48.31 | chem|st | BCMM: not only to save weight... batteries are out of warranty in most countries as it is a consumable |
| 12:48.35 | SpeedEvil | Several people here have said they OTAd in the UK |
| 12:48.36 | MohammadAG51 | BCMM, check dpkg -l mp-fremantle* |
| 12:48.44 | BCMM | Termana: what's the diff? |
| 12:48.47 | MohammadAG51 | UK is 203? |
| 12:48.49 | psycho_oreos | heh I don't think I've actually witnessed PR1.1.1 releases, namely because I got my n900 fairly late |
| 12:48.57 | MohammadAG51 | BCMM, none, global's just better |
| 12:49.07 | Termana | ^ |
| 12:49.13 | MohammadAG51 | anyways, i have plans for a proper SSU now |
| 12:49.15 | Termana | Also, you don't get delayed |
| 12:49.21 | MohammadAG51 | worked a lot on it yesterday |
| 12:49.25 | BCMM | MohammadAG51: what does that mean? surely there wouldn't be seperate versions if they were identical? |
| 12:49.29 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, yeah 203 is UK |
| 12:49.40 | FIQ | I buyed mine in february and got PR1.1 |
| 12:49.48 | FIQ | Then, i got a copy when that one borked, that had PR1.0 |
| 12:49.53 | Termana | BCMM, I think there is some nitty gritty changes but generally they are all the same |
| 12:49.57 | FIQ | And, my three SIM card didn't work ;_; |
| 12:50.02 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 12:50.12 | FIQ | Pretty much everything looked different in PR1.0 |
| 12:50.23 | eduardowoj | here, in brazil, i got my global n900 for 793 dollars :-( But the brazilian version is about 1180 dollars o_o |
| 12:50.32 | BCMM | Termana: you have to reflash to switch to a global release, right? |
| 12:50.36 | eduardowoj | too many taxes |
| 12:50.41 | psycho_oreos | I got mine around may 2010, so I guess it would have been pr1.1.1 but I didn't confirm it |
| 12:50.46 | Termana | BCMM, yes |
| 12:50.50 | BCMM | Termana: oh i know, it's stuff like default FM power and stuff which various by jurisdiction, right? |
| 12:50.57 | FIQ | PR1.2 were released in May 2010 |
| 12:50.59 | Termana | BCMM, yes |
| 12:51.08 | FIQ | Yay, rtcom |
| 12:51.13 | FIQ | it will be done finally, soon |
| 12:51.20 | BCMM | Termana: so how do you tell which regional version a device is running? |
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| 12:51.28 | BCMM | maybe the one i've seen is actually global |
| 12:51.35 | TiagoTiago | damn crashes |
| 12:51.38 | Termana | Also, I always have flashed mine for updates, so it never bothered me. Plus I think Australia is global default anyway |
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| 12:51.44 | Termana | BCMM, version number will tell you |
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| 12:51.51 | Termana | In Settings -> About Device |
| 12:51.51 | BCMM | hrm, how? |
| 12:52.08 | BCMM | Termana: version number tells you the region? |
| 12:52.12 | Termana | The end number tells you. 0 is global, 203 is UK, the others I don't know |
| 12:52.16 | BCMM | ah |
| 12:52.17 | BCMM | thanks |
| 12:52.22 | psycho_oreos | eduardowoj, I guess its more or less the same everywhere, but I've heard of a story of some bloke here bought n900 before it was officially released locally and the early n900 suffered USB socket problems (pre-releases mainly) and he was a victim of it. He couldn't take it to his local nokia care because he doesn't have a valid warranty (device is purchased overseas) |
| 12:52.57 | Termana | psycho_oreos, Nokia Care should still repair it. For a cost. |
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| 12:53.00 | RST38h | moos distractedly |
| 12:53.08 | FIQ | 10.2010.19-1 |
| 12:53.12 | Termana | Which would be lower than buying a new one, for just the USB port |
| 12:53.12 | FIQ | is my version |
| 12:53.26 | psycho_oreos | Termana, yeah the bloke later on didn't bother with it, I guess he lost interest in n900 completely |
| 12:53.45 | MohammadAG51 | pr1.0 had the best conversations app |
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| 12:53.49 | Termana | Good mornign RST38h |
| 12:53.52 | Termana | morning* |
| 12:53.56 | MohammadAG51 | good scrolling, good repainting of widget |
| 12:54.02 | RST38h | Good moorning |
| 12:54.26 | RST38h | Mohammad: Conversations uses MicroB instance + some CSS to render things |
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| 12:54.40 | RST38h | Mohammad: Which, of course, makes it very configurable, but does nothing to improve performance |
| 12:54.42 | TiagoTiago | The only Nokia care around here is on the other side of town, last year when i had to replace the keypad of my N73 i ended up paying a local repair shop to have it done, it was ready the next day (it would have been the same day if they hadn't ran out of black keypads) |
| 12:54.48 | RST38h | Especially when you chat with multiple people |
| 12:54.59 | BCMM | Termana: is there a table of the region codes online somewhere? |
| 12:55.00 | psycho_oreos | pr1.1.1 had the ability to be able to `window-ise' media player and with proper scaling, pr1.2 doesn't have that capability |
| 12:55.02 | MohammadAG51 | RST38h, yeah I know |
| 12:55.12 | MohammadAG51 | it uses browserd |
| 12:55.14 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 12:55.15 | RST38h | Tiago: Replacing a keypad takes 30 minutes at a local electronics market |
| 12:55.21 | Termana | BCMM, possibly. Or you could just look at the version numbers on the images on tablets-dev |
| 12:55.39 | RST38h | Tiago: Doing it through Nokia.... you know. |
| 12:55.40 | ruskie | nice finally an update I didn't need to reflash |
| 12:55.45 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 12:55.47 | MohammadAG51 | CSS sucks though |
| 12:56.03 | BCMM | Termana: there's one here that came from carphone warehouse, briefly pre-own and reflashed before resale, with a version ending .36-2 |
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| 12:56.13 | BCMM | Termana: that's a good point, i'll look there |
| 12:56.14 | RST38h | Mohammad: QML uses CSS |
| 12:56.34 | RST38h | Mohammad: Or CSS-like script, anyway. Maybe it will be faster at rendering then MicroB though |
| 12:56.51 | RST38h | Mohammad: Which brings a nice application idea: Conversations replacement in QML =) |
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| 12:57.34 | asj_ | RST38h: it doesn't even look like CSS |
| 12:57.36 | RST38h | I am sure Quim will be ecstatic, as it is fully aligned with his goals |
| 12:57.44 | RST38h | asj: Looks CSS enough to me. |
| 12:58.18 | asj_ | RST38h: then you don't know CSS and QML, just becaus esomething is "blah: other" doesn't make it CSS |
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| 12:59.22 | fcrochik | any official "testers" online? I really would like to hear from you why you don't care to check mycontacts... |
| 12:59.24 | BCMM | CSS has {} in it, and therefore is a dialect of C |
| 12:59.25 | BCMM | dugs |
| 12:59.30 | BCMM | ducks |
| 12:59.35 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:00.05 | RST38h | asj: Ok, I do not know CSS or QML :) |
| 13:00.10 | FIQ | then, pretty much every language is a dialect of C :D |
| 13:00.14 | asj_ | ;) |
| 13:00.27 | psycho_oreos | except for B |
| 13:00.30 | RST38h | CSS is a dialect of JSON! |
| 13:00.32 | RST38h | hides now |
| 13:00.38 | FIQ | yay tablet-browsing-ui |
| 13:00.43 | SpeedEvil | fcrochik: Because today I need to clean the surround to my pond, make a stew, phone my insurance people to correct fuckups, fill out a huge form, pack away some potatos. |
| 13:00.44 | asj_ | goes to bed |
| 13:00.45 | FIQ | almost done |
| 13:00.50 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 13:01.05 | TiagoTiago | Someone should make an esolang based on smileys, that would be fun |
| 13:01.19 | crashanddie | anyone feeling like defacing a website real quick? |
| 13:01.22 | fcrochik | SpeedEvil: in other words: busy with something more important? |
| 13:01.27 | FIQ | :) :( :@ ;) :O :) :) :(? |
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| 13:01.44 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, if I knew how to, i would've defaced facebook |
| 13:01.47 | FIQ | :{ :) :) :} |
| 13:01.48 | TiagoTiago | sure, and include asian style ones as well |
| 13:02.03 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, http://mobilemru.com/meetup/signup.php |
| 13:02.08 | FIQ | ^_^ |
| 13:02.09 | MohammadAG51 | technically, how is defacing done? |
| 13:02.09 | crashanddie | the search box |
| 13:02.14 | SpeedEvil | fcrochik: Pretty much - I'd like to be testing more apps, but it falls off the end of my list. |
| 13:02.23 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, if you type a specific sql string, you get direct access to his database |
| 13:02.25 | TiagoTiago | hack the server and change the content of files |
| 13:02.39 | psycho_oreos | sql inject? heh |
| 13:02.50 | DocScrutinizer | yawns |
| 13:03.06 | crashanddie | a quick example, in the search box, type ' and 1 = 0; -- |
| 13:03.12 | crashanddie | (space after the double dashes, important) |
| 13:03.20 | crashanddie | it should return no results |
| 13:03.25 | FIQ | ehm |
| 13:03.45 | fcrochik | SpeedEvil: I completely understand... and do you think the "process" is still good/works? |
| 13:03.46 | FIQ | last time i checked you can't really change content with SQL if you don't run ASP |
| 13:03.54 | FIQ | and PHP > ASP :< |
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| 13:04.03 | crashanddie | FIQ, well, you can change his homepage blog posts |
| 13:04.25 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, also, I've noticed he has wordpress installed, so checking if there is a wp_users table: ' or exists(select *from INFORMATION_SCHEMA.TABLES where TABLE_NAME LIKE 'wp\_posts'); -- |
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| 13:04.39 | crashanddie | err, that should be wp_users |
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| 13:04.48 | FIQ | er |
| 13:04.53 | FIQ | wouldn't that need quotes? |
| 13:05.01 | FIQ | and, you can use union as well :D |
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| 13:05.42 | FIQ | quotes is more often blocked than just continuing a statement without them (look ?foo=(supposed to be an int here)) |
| 13:06.15 | _berto_ | someone promote this to extras-testing: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/qstardict/0.13.2-3fb2/ |
| 13:06.16 | fcrochik | SpeedEvil: Mycontacts package is on testing since 09/17. Now with PR1.3 even if promoted will not work. I created a new package yesterday that works just fine and now if I decide to promote it to testing will remove the previous one and still may never see the day light....I can't believe people think this makes sense... |
| 13:06.18 | FIQ | Btw, googling ' and 1 = 0; -- gives nothing of interest |
| 13:06.42 | BCMM | google strips punctuation |
| 13:07.19 | FIQ | even if you quote everything? |
| 13:07.22 | BCMM | yeah |
| 13:07.40 | FIQ | shame on them |
| 13:07.49 | BCMM | http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=%22-%22 |
| 13:07.57 | BCMM | it's a pain |
| 13:08.03 | FIQ | happens that i want to search for a site when i know the exact content |
| 13:08.05 | fcrochik | SpeedEvil: this process for me only promotes not getting applications up to date.... It should at least treat initial applications different than upgrades.... as an user after I install one application I pretty much start "trusting" it and want it to be the latest.... |
| 13:08.09 | FIQ | but not the site |
| 13:08.19 | FIQ | just googling words don't always help |
| 13:08.31 | FIQ | BCMM: that's bad |
| 13:08.59 | lcuk | crashanddie, a bit lame, thats sqlinjection, not usually defacement |
| 13:09.01 | FIQ | googling www ftw |
| 13:09.12 | FIQ | gives some results out there :D |
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| 13:09.54 | lcuk | crash, have you worked out how to actually list all users signed up then |
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| 13:10.23 | ebzzry | Hi! Are there Gnutella clients for Fremantle? |
| 13:10.46 | FIQ | yay, the update is pretty much done |
| 13:10.52 | FIQ | it's just setting everything up atm |
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| 13:11.51 | BCMM | ebzzry: heh, that still exists? |
| 13:11.57 | BCMM | hands ebzzry a bittorrent client |
| 13:12.35 | TiagoTiago | Is there any known ways to use a N900 to prevent a nearby iPhone from connecting to the cell network? (I mean, other than throwing it at the person trying to use the iPhone) |
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| 13:13.33 | Termana | Just chuck their iPhone in the microwave |
| 13:13.45 | dimir | :-D |
| 13:13.46 | Termana | And if they really piss you off, start the microwave |
| 13:13.51 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: ack. Has been discussed several times, no idea about last common sense if any |
| 13:13.55 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:13.56 | psycho_oreos | lol |
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| 13:14.09 | psycho_oreos | I'd play `iphonefly' |
| 13:14.20 | psycho_oreos | catch the iphone! *smash* woops |
| 13:14.26 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: play very loud music? |
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| 13:14.40 | BCMM | use several n900s, overwhelm teh tower |
| 13:15.01 | FIQ | what is n900fly actually? |
| 13:15.09 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:15.10 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I know it has... It is just that still does not make sense to me and it seems that people are happy with it... so I keep trying to understand.... |
| 13:15.22 | FIQ | Is it actually serious about throwing the N900, or is it just simulation? D: |
| 13:15.24 | TiagoTiago | it uses the accelerometers to estimate how high the N900 has been flung |
| 13:15.27 | BCMM | FIQ: you throw the n900; it uses acelerometer data to tell you how high it went |
| 13:15.31 | FIQ | wat |
| 13:15.38 | FIQ | ... |
| 13:15.40 | BCMM | i have not installed it |
| 13:15.41 | psycho_oreos | I think you're supposed to throw and catch your n900 |
| 13:15.45 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: stop trying this - it might hurt your brain :-) |
| 13:15.46 | FIQ | Do people actually use that? |
| 13:15.55 | psycho_oreos | neither have I.. wouldn't want to miss catching your n900 :) |
| 13:16.01 | TiagoTiago | I'm waiting eversince i read about it for someone to use it while skydiving |
| 13:16.04 | BCMM | FIQ: i don't know, are there any stats on packages? |
| 13:16.13 | BCMM | you could use it for other things |
| 13:16.15 | BCMM | like |
| 13:16.21 | BCMM | throwing yourself |
| 13:16.29 | BCMM | while holding an n900 |
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| 13:16.37 | Termana | FIQ: Yes, just roll it into a sleeping bag |
| 13:16.45 | Termana | lcuk, what did you say your high score was? |
| 13:16.50 | TiagoTiago | i have it on just for kicks, only tried a few <10cm throws over my bed |
| 13:17.19 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I will perfectly happy if people tell me that the applications I created are useless and that is why nobody cares... but it does not seem the case and still I have to see people that have an very old version w/o good reason. |
| 13:17.28 | BCMM | it's a conspiracy by nokia to sell more n900s |
| 13:17.44 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:18.11 | psycho_oreos | so owners can see how far they threw their device in angerness? ;) |
| 13:18.27 | TiagoTiago | If that was the case they should have made a prog for sending morse code by pluging and unpluging the USB charger |
| 13:18.28 | FIQ | lol |
| 13:18.33 | FIQ | @ BCMM |
| 13:18.37 | ebzzry | BCMM: Thanks, but there are still things that are unavailable or difficult to obtain via BitTorrent. |
| 13:18.39 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: seems your best bet is to ask for testers here, every once in a while |
| 13:18.47 | FIQ | Hahah |
| 13:18.49 | FIQ | indeed |
| 13:18.53 | achipa | throwing phones is a valid sport in Finland |
| 13:18.53 | FIQ | @ TiagoTiago |
| 13:18.53 | TiagoTiago | PErhaps on tmo too? |
| 13:19.08 | FIQ | Yeah, but that's OLD phones |
| 13:19.11 | TiagoTiago | nods |
| 13:19.11 | FIQ | GSM ones |
| 13:19.14 | psycho_oreos | achipa, on open grounds? |
| 13:19.14 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:19.20 | RST38h | New ones are too light to make it a good sport |
| 13:19.30 | psycho_oreos | except for n900 :| |
| 13:19.38 | achipa | psycho_oreos: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_phone_throwing |
| 13:19.45 | Termana | psycho_oreos, How did I *KNOW* someone was going to say that |
| 13:20.05 | TiagoTiago | Someone should wrap a N900 in bubblewrap, start N900fly via VNC/SSH, and place it one one of those trebuchets that fling cars |
| 13:20.09 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ: no, these are aerodynamically optimized heavy phones |
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| 13:20.24 | psycho_oreos | achipa, :| that's crazy.. I wouldn't dare throw my n900 just for fun |
| 13:20.25 | FIQ | k |
| 13:20.28 | psycho_oreos | Termana, o.O which? |
| 13:20.35 | FIQ | but still not phones you use |
| 13:21.39 | Termana | psycho_oreos, (How did I know someone would say in response to "new ones are too light") except for n900 |
| 13:21.57 | Termana | Someone had to make the "brick" joke |
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| 13:22.16 | psycho_oreos | Termana, lol |
| 13:22.28 | psycho_oreos | I'm sure n900 isn't the only brick :) |
| 13:22.39 | TiagoTiago | N900: The most usefull doorstop you will ever own |
| 13:22.52 | BCMM | it still doesn't feel as solid as a 3410 |
| 13:22.53 | psycho_oreos | plus comparing n900 with a brick is kinda moot.. brick is useless, n900 isn't |
| 13:23.15 | TiagoTiago | Not really, with bricks you can build schools, and you can break windows :P |
| 13:23.17 | BCMM | i have literally drop-kicked my 3410 on many occasions |
| 13:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | heh, using 2 of those doorstops I "built" a RF remote for my TV yesterday. Very handy |
| 13:23.35 | pexi | well.. bricks in my house are way more useful than n900 ever :) |
| 13:23.49 | Termana | BCMM, in Soviet Russia, phone drop-kick you! |
| 13:23.56 | psycho_oreos | that's what stones are for, for breaking windows or to crack skulls (with enough velocity) |
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| 13:24.06 | crashanddie | lcuk, those 3 users are the only users |
| 13:24.10 | crashanddie | lcuk, I've deleted the rest |
| 13:24.22 | TiagoTiago | My father had a Nokia (i don't remember the model), he dropped it while riding his bike, ran over it, he only had to replace the screen |
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| 13:24.55 | FIQ | Well, older phones needs more treat to be destroyed :) |
| 13:25.04 | TiagoTiago | heh |
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| 13:25.33 | psycho_oreos | much like cars these days ;) metal bumpers on old cars and plastic bumpers on current cars |
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| 13:26.26 | Termana | psycho_oreos, better at impact absorption. Would you rather you or your car be crippled? |
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| 13:26.40 | TiagoTiago | Except that with cars they are meant to be easilly destroyed; there is no pilot and no pedestrian to be saved by dissipating energy with breaking the hardware of a mobile |
| 13:27.52 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: not a 3410 then; if you did that to a 3410 it would be just a new fascia |
| 13:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: you might be interested: just start irreco on both devices, place one directly in front of appliance to IR control, on the other one you replace "localhost" by IP of first device, in irreco edit -> device controllers -> edit |
| 13:28.05 | BCMM | kinda awesome the way they had a replaceable plastic shield over the screen |
| 13:28.08 | psycho_oreos | Termana, all for the pedestrian sake.. but what if it was you versus a pole? :) metal bumpers can be hammered back into shape, plastic bumpers needs to be completely replaced (you can't even fix it let alone believing a fixed plastic bumper would be deemed safe) |
| 13:28.22 | TiagoTiago | I wonder if by the end of the century cars will still be the thing that is used as analogy or comparison to anything from desktop operating systems to mobile phones to the economy |
| 13:28.43 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, i thought it was only a transmitter? |
| 13:28.58 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: err, yes |
| 13:29.01 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: well, it's the complex machine that everyone knows, and most people have at least an extremely vague understanding of hte workings of |
| 13:29.07 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer, didn't compute then |
| 13:29.07 | DocScrutinizer | not for WiFi though |
| 13:29.09 | psycho_oreos | cars and technology gadgetry stuff are known to be man's usually most tinkered toys |
| 13:29.21 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: in a century, i'd expect a computer to be the thing people use for analogies |
| 13:29.59 | BCMM | ^everybody owns |
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| 13:30.04 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: lirc on proxy device in front of TV lstening to ....:8765 |
| 13:30.13 | TiagoTiago | but computers have bneen changing so fast for such a short span of time, i dunno if they could develop the same zeitgast standard as cars have |
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| 13:30.45 | TiagoTiago | i think i misspelled the german loanword |
| 13:30.52 | psycho_oreos | unfortunately cars are for more expensive to produce compare to say a SOHO router |
| 13:30.56 | divan | Hello, Is there any tool like dpkg-buildpackage or tutorial on the best practice on creating .deb packages for PyQt4 apps? |
| 13:31.08 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: needs moar i and e in the wrong order |
| 13:31.09 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: now tell irreco on remote device not to use localhost:8765 but instead <IP-of-proxy>:8765 |
| 13:31.11 | psycho_oreos | s/for/far/ |
| 13:31.22 | BCMM | TiagoTiago: it's a good rule of thumb for spelling german |
| 13:31.29 | divan | I can create .db with ar and tar, of course, but I think there must be some more right way. |
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| 13:31.31 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:31.37 | psycho_oreos | bot fails |
| 13:31.50 | BCMM | well, it's convincing, if not always actually correct |
| 13:32.03 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:32.43 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: you fail |
| 13:33.15 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, no bot fails :) there's two instances of words matching for but the bot replaced one |
| 13:33.24 | MohammadAG51 | divan, see how healthcheck does it |
| 13:33.34 | MohammadAG51 | or psfreedom 0.3, not 0.5 |
| 13:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: so what? it's exactly what you asked for |
| 13:33.57 | DocScrutinizer | s/a/A/g |
| 13:34.24 | MohammadAG51 | man sed :P |
| 13:34.34 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, meh |
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| 13:34.51 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, no /g makes it replace the first instance |
| 13:35.15 | divan | MohammadAG51, thanks. |
| 13:35.15 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, I thought it was per line basis without /g |
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| 13:35.37 | FIQ | replaces every instance |
| 13:35.40 | mgedmin | which regex dialect does infobot implement? |
| 13:35.42 | FIQ | er |
| 13:35.43 | FIQ | ups |
| 13:35.45 | FIQ | /g means global |
| 13:35.47 | FIQ | replaces every instance |
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| 13:35.56 | MohammadAG51 | mgedmin, sed |
| 13:35.57 | FIQ | failed there and executed /g as a command |
| 13:36.06 | mgedmin | that means POSIX basic regexs, right? |
| 13:36.14 | MohammadAG51 | FIQ, it happens :P |
| 13:36.25 | inz | Has it been upgraded, last I tried it was not a regex engine, but a string replacer. |
| 13:36.38 | FIQ | hmm |
| 13:36.38 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: a crippled string search/replace, without special chars or wildcards allowed |
| 13:36.39 | FIQ | foo bar |
| 13:36.45 | psycho_oreos | s/^/meh\,/ |
| 13:36.46 | FIQ | er |
| 13:36.51 | FIQ | foo/////test////////AAAAAAAA |
| 13:36.51 | psycho_oreos | lol |
| 13:37.05 | FIQ | s/\//\\/g |
| 13:37.09 | FIQ | ;_; |
| 13:37.23 | RST38h | http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/27/bus-that-travels-over-traffic-longs-for-us-embrace-designer-see/ <=== Yess, please! |
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| 13:38.12 | TiagoTiago | Would using the cell data conection with the N900 look like using a laptop + a mobile phone as modem from the point of view of the carrier? |
| 13:38.22 | sx0n | yep |
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| 13:38.41 | sx0n | s/.+/dunno/ |
| 13:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: exactly |
| 13:39.12 | mgedmin | hmm |
| 13:39.13 | MohammadAG51 | wants to make a homescreen widget that properly controls the media player |
| 13:39.14 | mgedmin | s/./=/ |
| 13:39.48 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: no, it doesn't work with any special chars |
| 13:39.58 | DocScrutinizer | s/o,/o, / |
| 13:40.05 | TiagoTiago | I wonder if i'll have to go to court over this....,the carrier says you are only allowed to use that data plan with the mobile itself, not tethering |
| 13:40.12 | DocScrutinizer | hmm , is no special char yet |
| 13:40.33 | KMFDM | TiagoTiago, did your provider disconnect you claiming you tethered? |
| 13:40.34 | FIQ | YAY |
| 13:40.35 | FIQ | finally |
| 13:40.39 | FIQ | PR1.3 upgrading done |
| 13:40.44 | FIQ | Took more than 3 hours |
| 13:40.48 | TiagoTiago | i havcen't subscribed to the dataplan yet, but i'm considering |
| 13:40.52 | dreamer | FIQ: wow, slow connection? |
| 13:40.57 | FIQ | no |
| 13:40.59 | KMFDM | TiagoTiago, most providers do not aggressively check that |
| 13:41.09 | FIQ | actually the download took just 5-10 minutes |
| 13:41.16 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: forget it, they can't even check |
| 13:41.37 | FIQ | it unpacked every package in like 20 secs |
| 13:41.39 | KMFDM | because it requires quite intense deep packet inspection to tell the difference |
| 13:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | they just do heuristics about data volume, ports/services used etc |
| 13:41.42 | FIQ | dunno why |
| 13:41.57 | KMFDM | yeah |
| 13:42.04 | TiagoTiago | it's a nice dataplan, i can have it while still having a prepaid, it's only 50 cents (of my country) per day (or fraction) of use |
| 13:42.33 | TiagoTiago | but if you use more than the quota of bytes on a day, or for the month, it will automaticly drop the speed |
| 13:42.40 | dreamer | so, why are there all these different kernels going around? next to the default this poweruser kernel, and if you want to use the wifi hotspot app a different custom kernel |
| 13:43.15 | dreamer | ah, now I see the hotspot needs the poweruser kernel .. but still the app doesn't work here .. |
| 13:43.41 | TiagoTiago | so i'm wondering if besides the automatic byte counter they might have somthing that analyzes the dataflow using some simple heuristics to determine if it isn't tethering |
| 13:43.42 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer: nope, hotspot is using powerkernel. It is because stock kernel doesn't support a number of features, like netfilters etc |
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| 13:44.02 | FIQ | mobilehotspot that is? |
| 13:44.05 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: yeah I just saw, but the app still isn't working (I thought I needed yet another kernel for this) |
| 13:44.11 | FIQ | because, i installed power kernel only because of that |
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| 13:44.14 | FIQ | but still nothing |
| 13:44.15 | TiagoTiago | any idea how long untill the power kernel is updated to keep up with pr.1.3? |
| 13:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: ask titan |
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| 13:44.53 | TiagoTiago | Those buses must be a bitch to be under on turns and near exits |
| 13:45.25 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: err wut? |
| 13:45.49 | TiagoTiago | The bus on that engadget post someonementioned here a few minutes ago |
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| 13:47.04 | dreamer | I just get 'HotSpot failed to start' |
| 13:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | dreamer: you'll need a pr1.3 compatible version, I guess |
| 13:48.00 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, RTFA, traffic lights and flow control |
| 13:48.15 | TiagoTiago | ~RTFA |
| 13:48.15 | lcuk | saw that a couple of weeks ago |
| 13:48.29 | lcuk | read the fine article ;) |
| 13:48.33 | TiagoTiago | ah |
| 13:48.48 | dreamer | DocScrutinizer: ah yes, I see from the commandline that maybe it needs a newer kernel |
| 13:48.52 | dreamer | so we'll have to wait for that .. |
| 13:48.59 | TiagoTiago | they don't say much on that page.... |
| 13:49.22 | MohammadAG51 | i think t-tan retired |
| 13:49.27 | MohammadAG51 | don't see him around a lot |
| 13:49.37 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 13:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ??? |
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| 13:51.24 | TiagoTiago | :( |
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| 13:53.31 | GAN900 | Talk seems less reactionary than would be normal to PR1.3 |
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| 13:54.29 | TiagoTiago | what do you mean? |
| 13:55.29 | MohammadAG51 | bbl, maybe 3 hours or so |
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| 13:56.21 | Termana | GAN900, haven't you heard? |
| 13:56.36 | GAN900 | Termana, what? |
| 13:56.45 | Termana | GAN900, PR1.4 is where it's at! |
| 13:56.46 | GAN900 | TiagoTiago, not enough anger |
| 13:56.48 | Termana | :p |
| 13:57.00 | GAN900 | Termana, jokes on you, there aint gonna be one! |
| 13:57.15 | DocScrutinizer | pr1.5 ftw |
| 13:57.36 | TiagoTiago | PErhaps all the people that were gonna jump the gun gave up during the period tmo was not managing the load |
| 13:57.52 | TiagoTiago | pr2;0 is what i'm waiting for |
| 13:57.55 | TiagoTiago | 2.0* |
| 13:59.02 | RST38h | GAN900: They did not fix the phone app bug :))) |
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| 14:02.44 | TiagoTiago | i'm confused, i thought i had seen the article, but now i see another article that might be the same but is different... |
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| 14:04.42 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ping |
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| 14:05.17 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: what's been the story around bootloader updates in PR1.3? |
| 14:05.22 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: ^^^ |
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| 14:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | anybody else? NOLO in PR1.3? |
| 14:08.27 | TiagoTiago | Would be fun to have those monsters on OpenTTD |
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| 14:11.06 | GAN900 | RST38h, what bugs DID they fix. |
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| 14:11.20 | GAN900 | Good news is we can ship our own updates now |
| 14:11.33 | GAN900 | Since there's zero chance Nokia will be shipping more. |
| 14:11.44 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 14:13.24 | TiagoTiago | From what i've heard it seems like they didn't fix and add enough to satisfy many people, i have a feeling we will still see a .4 and .5 is still in the realms of possibility even if with much lower probability |
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| 14:16.09 | crashanddie | TiagoTiago, Say hi to Santa for me, will ya? |
| 14:16.17 | TiagoTiago | will do |
| 14:17.01 | javispedro | morning gentlemen |
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| 14:17.29 | javispedro | is back to normal and hating tmo, after the PM storm. |
| 14:18.15 | RST38h | rehello javispedro |
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| 14:18.39 | TiagoTiago | lol, can't handle being famous for beinging webos games tot he N900? |
| 14:18.45 | TiagoTiago | bringing* |
| 14:18.50 | javispedro | I cannot handle idiots. |
| 14:18.51 | sivang | javispedro: PM? |
| 14:19.29 | javispedro | quality of error reports has been steadily decreasing. Right now I get "does not work" (without any attach information)-style reports. |
| 14:19.44 | RST38h | javispedro: Ignore them. |
| 14:19.49 | javispedro | Previously, I got attached _invented_ error messages. |
| 14:20.23 | RST38h | If you ignore them, they will at some point disappear and what you have left are semi-normal users |
| 14:20.30 | javispedro | Far from the high quality reports that made me say a few days ago that "tmo was worth it". |
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| 14:20.41 | RST38h | It also helps to switch from tmo to a moderated google group |
| 14:20.50 | TiagoTiago | Is there somewhere a checklist of thigns i should try after installing pr1.3? |
| 14:20.54 | X-Fade | javispedro: That is the engadget effect probably ;) |
| 14:21.59 | javispedro | X-Fade: very probably |
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| 14:25.45 | DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro |
| 14:26.32 | GAN900 | TiagoTiago, not based on what I've heard. |
| 14:26.32 | javispedro | hi |
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| 14:27.42 | lcuk | TiagoTiago, [X] Everything you are interested in. |
| 14:27.48 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 14:28.00 | X-Fade | points GAN900 to #maemo-ssu |
| 14:28.17 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: javispedro: X-Fade: what's been the story around bootloader updates in PR1.3? |
| 14:28.32 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: No changes afaik. |
| 14:28.49 | javispedro | if there has been any change, not documented. |
| 14:29.00 | javispedro | why you ask, DocScrutinizer? |
| 14:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to remember buzzwords like kexec, m-shield |
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| 14:29.27 | PaulFertser | javispedro: it's me installing pr1.3 on a pre-production device. |
| 14:29.32 | TiagoTiago | I think i read somewhere that its ready for doing the dualboot with meego, but it isn't doing it as it is, you gotta make it do it yourself |
| 14:29.50 | X-Fade | NOLO has always been able to start uboot. |
| 14:30.01 | DocScrutinizer | that's all known |
| 14:30.06 | X-Fade | So that is the way to start meego ;) |
| 14:30.11 | PaulFertser | javispedro: and there're "2nd", "secondary" and "xloader" embedded in the fiasco image, and i've no idea if i should flash them and if yes, then which version (that fiasco image has several of every). |
| 14:30.29 | X-Fade | Just a package in extras-devel which set the bootmenu and boot from sd? |
| 14:31.08 | javispedro | PaulFertser: no idea, never got a preprod device. |
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| 14:31.24 | javispedro | PaulFertser: I'd search and/or ask -devel, maybe a Nokian can pick the story up |
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| 14:31.30 | PaulFertser | javispedro: somebody should know why those BL parts are included in the fiasco image for update... |
| 14:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | and jacekowski I seem to recall mentioned some fixes needed in m-shield handling in xloader, to make either security framework or kexec work |
| 14:32.03 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i'm afraid to join -devel as i'm supposed to be always distracting the developers from the real work by useless rants. |
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| 14:32.45 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no, kexec does not need nolo work |
| 14:32.55 | javispedro | well, that I know of.. |
| 14:33.02 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: thanks, finaly one decent bit of info |
| 14:33.12 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: as I am no insider I can't be 100% sure. |
| 14:33.15 | PaulFertser | I'd be actually surprised if it did. |
| 14:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | tbh me too |
| 14:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | prolly mixed it up with security framework |
| 14:33.48 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: PING!! |
| 14:34.01 | javispedro | security framework might need, but... this was implemented in PR1.3? O.o |
| 14:34.06 | X-Fade | There is no security framework. |
| 14:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: isn't there *any* documentation of the basic operation scheme of N900 booting (early stages, like xloader, NOLO etc) ? |
| 14:34.54 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Why would one care? |
| 14:35.30 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: see above, see uBoot & meego, see security framework for meego |
| 14:35.46 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: uboot lives in kernel. |
| 14:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | err? |
| 14:35.56 | X-Fade | No need for bootloader support. |
| 14:36.06 | X-Fade | Well attached to kernel. |
| 14:36.32 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the security framework nightware^W^W stuff lives in Harmattan, not Meego |
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| 14:36.44 | X-Fade | uboot - a little bit of padding - kernel, all flashed to the kernel partition. |
| 14:37.01 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but otherwise quite unrelated |
| 14:37.21 | DocScrutinizer | they share one partition, that's all basically, aiui |
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| 14:38.47 | PaulFertser | X-Fade: (why one should care) how to e.g. make a backup of a currently flashed kernel? How to flash anything without proprietary apps? I'd say these questions are imprortant and practical enough. |
| 14:39.14 | javispedro | 0xFFFF |
| 14:39.26 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: there's zero documentation about coldflash, how it's done, and what it does, for example. Beyond what's in flasher --help and what jacekowski gathered from disassembling BL and *testing* it |
| 14:39.26 | PaulFertser | javispedro: i do use that. Unfortunately, the support is incomplete. |
| 14:39.53 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well yes, F and M-bus are not public either. |
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| 14:40.11 | PaulFertser | javispedro: works for flashing via USB but not for making backups or (probably) flashing from the userspace of the device itself. |
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| 14:40.32 | PaulFertser | X-Fade: but F and M buses are supported by free software since long (gnokii). |
| 14:40.54 | Stskeeps | lo PaulFertser |
| 14:41.06 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: hi, i'm glad to see you again :) |
| 14:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: they are no secret nevertheless, so I'd expect at least one sentence somewhere, like "coldflashing on N900 is done via USB, on N8x0 it needs a jig connecting to F-Bus" |
| 14:41.26 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: was that sarcasm? ;p |
| 14:41.52 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Afaik you need the pads on the back. |
| 14:41.53 | maybeHere | hehehe, F-Bus |
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| 14:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: jacekowski claims he coldflashed via USB on N900 |
| 14:43.03 | DocScrutinizer | he further claims there's proper code in ROM bl to do this |
| 14:43.44 | GAN900 | PaulFertser, there's no such thing as a "FIASCO image for an update" |
| 14:43.52 | GAN900 | PaulFertser, think of it like a recovery disc. |
| 14:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | THAT is the kind of info I *expect* Nokia is sharing to community, rather than a hazardeur trying it by risking his device |
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| 14:44.55 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Well, I'll bet you'll never see that. |
| 14:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I fear you're right :-/ |
| 14:45.31 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, consumer device. :P |
| 14:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | MUHAHA |
| 14:46.12 | GAN900 | needs to poke timsamoff about camera kit recommendations for Dublin. |
| 14:46.50 | DocScrutinizer | means recovery is a service (not) offered at Nokia Care Centers - as those dudes have NFC about coldflashing and things |
| 14:47.07 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: nah, i'm really glad. |
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| 14:47.29 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: central does have a coldflashing machine, though, at least here. |
| 14:47.37 | PaulFertser | GAN900: yes, ok, i meant fiasco image corresponding to pr1.3. |
| 14:47.59 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: first thing they do when you sent one there is put it into the cradle and coldflash it |
| 14:48.41 | DocScrutinizer | yes, they have that jig, and shit. But NFC what is going on when they use it |
| 14:48.50 | javispedro | true. |
| 14:49.26 | DocScrutinizer | who'd recover a not booting device with invaluable precious info stored to rootfs somewhere? |
| 14:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | let's say when CSI comes asking for it? |
| 14:49.54 | javispedro | hah |
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| 14:49.56 | javispedro | csi does not exist |
| 14:50.02 | javispedro | seriously. |
| 14:50.03 | erani | hmm. at Rovio they commented the delay of Angry Bird on Android because of the fragmentation of the OS. isn't this actually where MeeGo/Maemo/Symbian + Qt fights better than Android? |
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| 14:50.21 | peb | DocScrutinizer, you need a screwdriver, some cables and a microscope ... anyone can do, I bet .. |
| 14:50.29 | DocScrutinizer | ok, s/csi/Bundeskriminalamt/ |
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| 14:50.42 | DocScrutinizer | peb: BS |
| 14:50.55 | peb | :-) |
| 14:50.56 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: any country's "csi" would only request such a thing if it was very, very, very serious stuff. the kind that you _bring in_ the engineers from nokia hq |
| 14:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | isn't that *SAD* |
| 14:51.33 | javispedro | possibly |
| 14:51.34 | jarkkom | at least in finland police have outsourced most of data recovery stuff like that to specialist companies/contractors |
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| 14:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | what's about Nokia's "this is FOSS" attitude? |
| 14:52.07 | TiagoTiago | i wonder why i keep getting disconnected... |
| 14:52.24 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, good marketing? |
| 14:52.25 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: getting worse with every device =) |
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| 14:52.48 | erani | oh well that conversation died at the very beginning sentence :L |
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| 14:53.04 | GAN900 | "A challenger approaches" is the sound I want to hear. |
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| 14:53.12 | javispedro | ohhh... Luigi! |
| 14:53.17 | DocScrutinizer | so they shouldn't feel surprised about community getting angry and calling names on them |
| 14:53.26 | GAN900 | erani, theoretically, but not so great in execution. |
| 14:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | it's been kinda promise, and not published once but many times |
| 14:53.54 | nid0 | so heres an odd one |
| 14:53.57 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, I love that they were surprised that people reacted badly to them dropping support. |
| 14:54.27 | GAN900 | The worst part about Nokia's behavior is that there are still no better alternatives. |
| 14:54.31 | nid0 | installed preenv, tried to extract an ipk using dpkg to /home/user, halfway through it dies with a no space left on disk, and it seems my device's rootfs is now at 100% used |
| 14:55.05 | javispedro | nid0: you didn't use "dpkg -i" don't ya? |
| 14:55.18 | nid0 | no, tried to extract it with dpkg -x |
| 14:56.09 | nid0 | thing is, I cant see where the space has actually vanished to, bizzarely the device reboots fine but comes back up with 0 free space on rootfs still |
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| 14:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: if you can manage to rm some crap prior to next boot, you still have a chance to avoid reflashing :-) |
| 14:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | err, sorry. missed the last post |
| 14:57.34 | nid0 | it already reboots - I figured dpkg had just been caching the extract somewhere i wasnt expecting so was hoping a reboot would clear it out |
| 14:58.03 | javispedro | so, strace it and look what files it creates |
| 14:58.41 | nid0 | strace isnt currently installed |
| 14:58.58 | nid0 | and neither dpkg or apt currently work, with rootfs having 0 space |
| 14:59.01 | TiagoTiago | javi, any chance of a gui to do everything being released anytime soon? |
| 15:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | nid0: rm is your friend |
| 15:00.09 | javispedro | TiagoTiago: not planned. |
| 15:00.18 | nid0 | DocScrutinizer indeed, need to find *what- to rm though :p |
| 15:00.25 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 15:00.32 | javispedro | nid0: use du -sh /* |
| 15:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | du -x /|sort -n |
| 15:00.43 | javispedro | :) |
| 15:01.06 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: nice! it even works in messybox |
| 15:01.14 | nid0 | oh. /usr/palm/applications |
| 15:01.27 | TiagoTiago | Thigns would be a bit easier if you had StorageUsage installed |
| 15:01.46 | nid0 | seems dpkg tried to extract the whole ipk to there :\ |
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| 15:02.26 | javispedro | I doubt dpkg would do that, so... possibly -x requires a "where_to_extract" argument |
| 15:02.35 | nid0 | i gave it one :\ |
| 15:02.53 | nid0 | possibly wrongly formatted though, im more familiar with rpm tbh |
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| 15:05.08 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: for example it'd be mad useful to know about silly things like kernel cmdline passed by NOLO, and maybe even how to change it permanently. Implementing meego uBoot is a PITA without such info |
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| 15:05.36 | MohammadAG51 | cmdline is passed by kernel |
| 15:05.38 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that is known afaik |
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| 15:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | it is RE'd |
| 15:05.48 | MohammadAG51 | can be edited from .config file |
| 15:05.56 | X-Fade | DocScrutinizer: Just look at serial console? |
| 15:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | but not documented for all I know |
| 15:06.03 | mc_teo | how come media player cant play .flvs anymore |
| 15:06.19 | MohammadAG51 | CONFIG_DEFAULT_CMDLINE i think |
| 15:06.21 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: kernel code is entirely open |
| 15:06.28 | MohammadAG51 | that's normal linux kernel |
| 15:06.29 | MohammadAG51 | stuff |
| 15:06.31 | mc_teo | does it need a package of its own now? |
| 15:06.45 | MohammadAG51 | decoders-support |
| 15:06.55 | mc_teo | i already had that |
| 15:07.00 | mc_teo | before pr1.3 |
| 15:07.10 | MohammadAG51 | tests |
| 15:07.28 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: I can give a "just do x, then y" for every single question that arises regarding xloader & NOLO, but the point is you don't always want or are not always equipped to do that particular thing. It needs an official doc |
| 15:07.59 | mc_teo | they dont even show up in the player |
| 15:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I know kernel code is open |
| 15:08.02 | TiagoTiago | The ring of fire is horseshoe shaped *pouts* |
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| 15:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | and I know kernel does or can be patched to do logging of bootloader passed cmdline parameters |
| 15:10.00 | javispedro | MohammadAG51 says that the default boot cmdline is stored on the kernel itself, so what's only missing is the NOLO protocol for passing a cmdline that has been send through flasher's -b |
| 15:10.03 | DocScrutinizer | but I dunno how to change those, in NOLO. can it be done? by binary patching if nothing else helps - or will this break some checksum xloader runs over NOLO? |
| 15:10.38 | MohammadAG51 | jacekowski, might know |
| 15:10.39 | javispedro | and there's at least an open implementation of the receiving part of that protocol: the kernel. |
| 15:11.05 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, changed it to boot from mmc once |
| 15:11.16 | MohammadAG51 | and meego does that too afaik (cc Stskeeps) |
| 15:11.19 | PaulFertser | There's a standardized way of supplying data to the kernel from bootloader (on ARM): ATAGs. |
| 15:11.21 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: that's my point. Everybody should be able to get to know |
| 15:11.33 | javispedro | PaulFertser: somehow I'm sure standarized!=Nokia ;P |
| 15:11.48 | javispedro | (but did not check it) |
| 15:11.54 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, badly maintained wikis |
| 15:12.09 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, lack of contributors, we lost Jebba for example |
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| 15:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: Nokia core development and wiki are different universes |
| 15:13.02 | sivang | MohammadAG51: where did he go? |
| 15:13.05 | MohammadAG51 | nice, bug 10613 i+ back |
| 15:13.06 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call |
| 15:13.21 | MohammadAG51 | sivang, he left, free vs non-free stff |
| 15:13.24 | MohammadAG51 | stuff |
| 15:13.33 | MohammadAG51 | fucking hildon-im long press shit |
| 15:13.37 | sivang | MohammadAG51: went to work for Nokia? |
| 15:13.44 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: offical docs problem is terrible |
| 15:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: ack |
| 15:13.54 | MohammadAG51 | err, what? |
| 15:13.57 | DocScrutinizer | that's my point |
| 15:13.58 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: the SAD thing for me |
| 15:14.09 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: well, for "US" or MeeGo i that regard |
| 15:14.10 | MohammadAG51 | sivang, you put words into other people's mouths :P |
| 15:14.14 | sivang | MohammadAG51: hehe |
| 15:14.20 | MohammadAG51 | i said he left, how could he now work for nokia |
| 15:14.25 | sivang | MohammadAG51: that's what we do, we're Isralies :-) |
| 15:14.30 | MohammadAG51 | he left cause he was pissed at non-ree |
| 15:14.30 | sivang | MohammadAG51: ah okay |
| 15:14.35 | sivang | MohammadAG51: yes I can understand |
| 15:14.44 | MohammadAG51 | non-free |
| 15:14.47 | MohammadAG51 | GRRR |
| 15:14.58 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, how do i disable this piece of shit again? |
| 15:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | which? |
| 15:15.13 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: take this as an example, it feels warm and welcoming: http://developer.android.com/guide/index.html |
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| 15:15.22 | MohammadAG51 | loading the wiki to find the gconf line to do it is time consuming |
| 15:15.27 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, long press |
| 15:15.34 | MohammadAG51 | something symbian users like |
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| 15:15.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 15:15.59 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: documentation is the first line in bringing in more community....:....-( |
| 15:16.06 | DocScrutinizer | gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/inputmethod/ext_kb_repeat_enabled --type boolean true |
| 15:16.40 | javispedro | the issue with documentation is that autogenerated documentation is usually NOT what I want. |
| 15:16.44 | mc_teo | MohammadAG51: they show up or play? |
| 15:17.14 | MohammadAG51 | mc_teo, yes, though i used the cli dbus command |
| 15:17.19 | MohammadAG51 | cba to use file manager |
| 15:17.21 | javispedro | autogenerated (usually) requires more to decide the function I'd like to use first |
| 15:17.23 | sivang | javispedro: the android docs seem to you like something autogenerated? :) |
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| 15:17.45 | javispedro | sivang: no, they're clearly not. More concerned about Maemo's ;) |
| 15:17.56 | sivang | javispedro: ah :) |
| 15:17.59 | javispedro | also check the Apple ones for good ones |
| 15:18.09 | javispedro | they do not start listing the functions of a class |
| 15:18.09 | MohammadAG51 | and the Qt ones |
| 15:18.13 | sivang | we have even a closer example |
| 15:18.14 | javispedro | the start by listing the USES of the class |
| 15:18.15 | sivang | QT ! |
| 15:18.22 | javispedro | IMHO the Qt ones could be a bit better |
| 15:18.25 | sivang | can't we get some QT documentor to start SERIOUSLY working on meego? |
| 15:18.35 | javispedro | but yes, they're very good when compared to everything we have here |
| 15:18.38 | sivang | javispedro: bettere than any other offering at that ecossytem |
| 15:18.42 | MohammadAG51 | more examples would be great |
| 15:18.44 | sivang | the best |
| 15:18.45 | sivang | IMHO |
| 15:18.47 | MohammadAG51 | but i like hem |
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| 15:18.52 | sivang | me too |
| 15:18.58 | MohammadAG51 | i still consider myself a newbie to C++ |
| 15:19.05 | DocScrutinizer | it all boils down to Nokia's "consumer device" mindset, though this is clearly marketed as a FOS device, which to me seems antinom |
| 15:19.08 | sivang | MohammadAG51: but sitll you can get along with the Qt docs? |
| 15:19.10 | MohammadAG51 | yet i've rewritten py code to C++ |
| 15:19.21 | MohammadAG51 | (with the help of people here of course) |
| 15:19.23 | MohammadAG51 | yeah |
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| 15:19.36 | sivang | so, I'm a veteran developer, and I have embedded experience under my belt |
| 15:19.47 | sivang | still with what's on the meego wiki, I am not sure how to follow |
| 15:19.59 | sivang | maybe I'm stupid |
| 15:20.03 | sivang | and google's is your best friend, |
| 15:20.19 | Corsac | sivang: btw there are lists and irc channel for meego development |
| 15:20.19 | DocScrutinizer | in Nokia's dictionary consumer == closed&proprietary, so how are they going to produce a FOSS consumer device? |
| 15:20.37 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo 6 won't be open |
| 15:20.40 | TiagoTiago | the pilot could have opted for an enhanced patdown |
| 15:21.00 | mc_teo | MohammadAG51: how? |
| 15:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: full ack |
| 15:21.15 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo will never be open |
| 15:21.17 | MohammadAG51 | MeeGo is |
| 15:21.24 | MohammadAG51 | and MeeGo != Harmattan |
| 15:21.39 | MohammadAG51 | should study, bbl |
| 15:21.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: we all know this (kind of saying) |
| 15:21.50 | achipa | and wiki != reference |
| 15:22.17 | DocScrutinizer | and reference == foundation of any project like meego |
| 15:22.26 | javispedro | IMHO Good wiki content could be good docs. |
| 15:22.40 | javispedro | linking to even generated docs for more in-depth stuff. |
| 15:23.02 | sivang | I like how the andriod docs hae a drill down or a link to every term they use, like the qt one has |
| 15:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | and who's in charge of reference/specs? Nokia, when it comes to Nokia devices |
| 15:23.13 | javispedro | but the missing parts of generated docs, AKA "Topics: Drawing things to Screen. Sound & Video. Placing calls." could be put on a Wiki |
| 15:23.18 | javispedro | and updated generously |
| 15:23.32 | sivang | we need a documentation user story :) |
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| 15:24.16 | mgedmin | John is a user. He wants documentation. |
| 15:24.21 | javispedro | end of story |
| 15:24.24 | javispedro | hehehehe |
| 15:24.33 | sivang | would you guys be able to provide this input in meego-communty ML if I fire off a thread? |
| 15:24.47 | sivang | this is related to the fact I am trying to gather information for that talk of mine |
| 15:25.02 | sivang | my threads about documentation has been so far mostly, sort-of ignored :) |
| 15:25.19 | Stskeeps | sivang: take a talk with townxelliot at some point and try to meet up with ronan maclaverty in dublin |
| 15:25.28 | sivang | Stskeeps: I will :) |
| 15:25.44 | sivang | Stskeeps: again I'm not bashing, I'm in *true* concern for the projct |
| 15:25.52 | sivang | I love them both, maemo and meego |
| 15:25.54 | Stskeeps | the best kind of concern |
| 15:25.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:25.59 | sivang | hehe |
| 15:26.07 | sivang | Stskeeps: the road to hell is full of good concerns? |
| 15:26.08 | sivang | :) |
| 15:26.47 | sivang | mgedmin: LOL |
| 15:26.50 | mc_teo` | MohammadAG51: how? |
| 15:26.52 | mc_teo` | whats the dbus command? |
| 15:28.12 | TiagoTiago | Did Nokia really loose money on each N900 sale? |
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| 15:28.46 | kerio | "loose"? |
| 15:28.48 | kerio | dude |
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| 15:29.07 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: how the hell would we know? |
| 15:29.19 | TiagoTiago | ok, "lost" |
| 15:29.51 | TiagoTiago | I dunno, i thought this type of thing leaked to the public, at least the type of public that frequents this channel |
| 15:30.05 | TiagoTiago | oh, wait,hm, i think loose was correct |
| 15:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | I am on the loose now |
| 15:30.09 | Stskeeps | this channel is really horribly void of any NDA discussions |
| 15:30.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 15:30.47 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: err? please rephrase |
| 15:30.51 | javispedro | is going to violate a hundred NDAs by saying the following: |
| 15:30.52 | javispedro | 42 |
| 15:31.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | So I got my nokia n900 today, now where do I insert the sim card XD? |
| 15:31.12 | TiagoTiago | i'm not sure now, lol, somtimes little details of english grammar and stuff get mixed up in my head |
| 15:31.30 | kerio | no, goddammit |
| 15:31.31 | TiagoTiago | under the battery there is a metal thing you slide and flip open |
| 15:31.33 | kerio | loose is not right there |
| 15:31.34 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: as in, people never (or rarely) leak anything here |
| 15:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, so who's to blame? |
| 15:32.11 | TiagoTiago | i didn't meant they leak it here, but that the leaks eventually reach people that come here |
| 15:32.28 | KaffeeJunky123 | TiagoTiago: I guess I'll setup wlan first |
| 15:32.42 | TiagoTiago | suit yourself :) |
| 15:32.51 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: and most people treat them as unsubstantiated leaks, and perhaps due to their NDA's decide not to spread them |
| 15:33.15 | Myrtti | if not unsubstantiated, then rumours with no official backing |
| 15:33.17 | TiagoTiago | menwhile, check the manual just in case you guess how to do it slightly wrong and bend somthing or break a nail or whatever |
| 15:34.09 | TiagoTiago | how many people have to have heard the rumour before people here feel confortable talking about it? |
| 15:34.30 | steinex | how to get kernel-power back after upgrade to PR1.3? |
| 15:34.57 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: willkommen in der welt der micro computer! |
| 15:35.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: Danke ^^ |
| 15:35.38 | javispedro | sighs |
| 15:35.40 | javispedro | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.7/qml-intro.html |
| 15:35.47 | javispedro | such nice EMPTY documentation. |
| 15:35.52 | DrWilken | steinex - reinstall it |
| 15:35.58 | chem|st | steinex: titans is a downgrade at the moment... apart of ipv6 is there anything special in titans? |
| 15:36.06 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: I think I told you yesterday: you'll have to wait for a matching ipdate of powerkernel |
| 15:36.23 | javispedro | "The basic syntax of an element is: <empty>. We can implement this Rectangle this way: <empty>." |
| 15:36.51 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: I personally don't trust any of these assholes without an official source backing them up ;-) |
| 15:36.53 | steinex | chem|st: mobilehotspot - wifi tethering |
| 15:37.00 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: nope, that wasnt me :) |
| 15:37.09 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 15:37.13 | Trewas | TiagoTiago: it doesn't sound plausible to me that nokia sold them at a loss, given that n900 was just as expensive as any other comparable cellphone |
| 15:37.23 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: but it would work? |
| 15:37.37 | DocScrutinizer | what? waiting? |
| 15:37.39 | Myrtti | (but I've got a background in Wikipedia stuff) |
| 15:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | depends |
| 15:37.50 | DrWilken | Is there a list of changes to the Maemo kernel available somewhere? |
| 15:37.51 | Myrtti | {citation needed} |
| 15:38.03 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: before you setup anything but wifi make sure to upgrade to latest firmware (some programs have conflicting dependencies to the upgrade from yesterday) |
| 15:38.21 | TiagoTiago | I've read a few times that Nokia didn't put so much effort on the N900 as they were expected to because they sold it at a loss and didn't expect it to be such a success |
| 15:38.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: brilliant |
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| 15:38.54 | chem|st | steinex: I have only one aditional wifi device and thats prepared for ad-hoc... |
| 15:38.55 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: and I'd question their sources and check if the articles are referring to each other |
| 15:39.04 | chem|st | s/aditional/additional/ |
| 15:39.41 | mc_teo` | oh youve got the sed bot? |
| 15:39.48 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 15:39.50 | mc_teo` | who's is it |
| 15:39.52 | javispedro | TiagoTiago: sold a $600 device at a loss?????????????' |
| 15:39.57 | chem|st | ~sed |
| 15:39.57 | infobot | methinks sed is the GNU Stream Editor. URL: ftp://ftp.gnu.org/pub/gnu/ MANPAGE:http://www.gnu.org/software/sed/manual/ |
| 15:40.04 | Myrtti | once upon a time Skype did sed too |
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| 15:40.09 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: it's a used device, maybe it's better to reinstall maemo completly |
| 15:40.22 | TiagoTiago | yeah, because the hardware they put in it was too expensive already, mostly meant just for testing and stuff |
| 15:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell chem|st about query |
| 15:40.27 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: yeah maybe you need |
| 15:40.34 | javispedro | expensive... hardware??? |
| 15:40.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: I found that midnight commander is installed, no Idea what else could be installed |
| 15:40.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell mc_teo` about query |
| 15:40.48 | chem|st | ~tell KaffeeJunky123 about flashing |
| 15:40.53 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: do you know how much Aava device is sold for at the moment? |
| 15:40.56 | DrWilken | Could someone using the stock kernel do an uname -a for me |
| 15:41.00 | TiagoTiago | no idea |
| 15:41.01 | javispedro | ~tell infobot about infobot |
| 15:41.04 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: and there are onl 1.6gb left for applications, so either its a strange partition setup or there are loads of programms installed |
| 15:41.08 | mc_teo` | s/sed/heh/; s/other/stuff |
| 15:41.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: thansk for that info page |
| 15:41.36 | mc_teo` | "docscrutinizer wants you to know: talk dirty to me!" |
| 15:41.41 | mc_teo` | lolol |
| 15:42.11 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 15:42.30 | merlin1991 | hm I wonder if this works |
| 15:42.31 | merlin1991 | ~the answer to life, the universe and everything |
| 15:42.37 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: "At â¬1900 (roughly $2393) per unit, the dev handset isn't exactly cheap..." |
| 15:42.50 | merlin1991 | where's my 42? |
| 15:43.01 | javispedro | where's my free aava device? |
| 15:43.09 | javispedro | I could make with some x86. |
| 15:43.22 | mc_teo` | ~tell mc_teo` about the answer to life, the universe and everything |
| 15:43.45 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell mc_teo` about 42 |
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| 15:44.15 | merlin1991 | ~42 |
| 15:44.15 | infobot | i guess 42 is the answer to life the universe and everything, see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/the_answer_to_life,_the_universe,_and_everything |
| 15:44.49 | TiagoTiago | that is also the number of minutes a trip on a gravity train from anywhere to anywhere (on Earth) would take |
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| 15:46.45 | mc_teo` | ~lol |
| 15:46.45 | infobot | somebody said lol was stands for Laughing Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. |
| 15:46.56 | mc_teo` | heh |
| 15:47.10 | Myrtti | are you done with the bot now? |
| 15:47.14 | DocScrutinizer | again |
| 15:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell mc_teo` about query |
| 15:47.33 | mc_teo` | i am |
| 15:47.42 | mc_teo` | just it was funny |
| 15:47.53 | sivang | ~alot |
| 15:47.53 | infobot | well, alot is raping the English language, or http://hyperboleandahalf.blogspot.com/2010/04/alot-is-better-than-you-at-everything.html |
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| 15:48.29 | DocScrutinizer | WTF? |
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| 15:48.56 | mc_teo` | ~can you solve my problem about .flv files not showing up in my media player? |
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| 15:49.05 | sivang | hehe |
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| 15:49.18 | Myrtti | srsly |
| 15:49.39 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo`: stop that BS! |
| 15:49.47 | mc_teo` | what bs? |
| 15:50.01 | mc_teo` | in the query window? or here? |
| 15:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | HERE |
| 15:50.21 | mc_teo` | i asked two things |
| 15:50.28 | TiagoTiago | Does anyone else got green vignetting with the face camera? |
| 15:50.36 | MohammadAG51 | sigh, you quiet the person, not the bot |
| 15:50.41 | DocScrutinizer | and probably in query as well, as you obviously got NFC |
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| 15:51.09 | mc_teo` | sorry for thinking you had a sense of humour |
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| 15:51.32 | DocScrutinizer | mc_teo`: /join ##humour |
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| 15:51.50 | MohammadAG51 | calm down kids :P |
| 15:52.36 | mc_teo` | rage quit tiem |
| 15:52.38 | MohammadAG51 | wants to port 2.6.35 to maemo 5 |
| 15:52.48 | GAN900 | MohammadAG51, that'd be nice. |
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| 15:53.25 | MohammadAG51 | if bme dies, we rip the meego one |
| 15:53.39 | MohammadAG51 | if mce dies, we... panic and rewrite an open source one |
| 15:53.45 | sivang | hehe |
| 15:54.20 | sivang | MohammadAG51: is there explenations what they are on maemo wiki ? those names continue to confuse me everytime |
| 15:54.24 | GAN900 | "We're open sourcing DSME!" |
| 15:54.29 | sivang | MohammadAG51: but the dsme ... |
| 15:54.32 | MohammadAG51 | and if 2.6.35 fairs well, we have vsync |
| 15:54.34 | sivang | GAN900: they sort of did |
| 15:54.39 | MohammadAG51 | dsme? |
| 15:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | could you start rewriting mce foss anyway, please. Friggin piece o' sh... |
| 15:54.50 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: vsync is not a kernel-only thing |
| 15:54.50 | MohammadAG51 | pull the plug |
| 15:54.57 | jacekowski | dsme is open source |
| 15:55.01 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, driver |
| 15:55.01 | jacekowski | i mean, old version |
| 15:55.05 | jacekowski | latest version isn't |
| 15:55.13 | sivang | jacekowski: ah, the one for meego? |
| 15:55.18 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, meego has vsync, not exactly stable, but still |
| 15:55.19 | jacekowski | but it's compatible |
| 15:55.20 | jacekowski | ish |
| 15:55.27 | sivang | dsme == vsync? |
| 15:55.32 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: nope. Nokia would have fixed it if it was so simple, it's not like they haven't upgrded the SGX driver in every PR release so far |
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| 15:55.36 | MohammadAG51 | facepalms |
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| 15:55.53 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, it needs a new kernel, and a new driver |
| 15:55.55 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: it requires changes in the entire pipeline, from the kernel right down to individual apps |
| 15:56.11 | javispedro | apps/toolkits, ofc. |
| 15:56.26 | MohammadAG51 | wait, so why does libhildon work better on a pc? |
| 15:56.27 | DocScrutinizer | burps |
| 15:56.34 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 15:56.46 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: it works better on a PC? |
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| 15:56.53 | MohammadAG51 | a lot less tearing on my pc, and the SDK isn't graphically accelerated |
| 15:57.16 | javispedro | I have a lot of tearing on mine, and it is graphically accelerated. |
| 15:57.16 | MohammadAG51 | even my old laptop, which was 1.7GHz (clocked at 600MHz) |
| 15:57.18 | TiagoTiago | perhaps the graphical acceeration is what is causing the tearing? |
| 15:57.31 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, the sdk isn't accelerated |
| 15:57.44 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: mine is. http://depot.javispedro.com/vmgl/ |
| 15:57.49 | MohammadAG51 | TiagoTiago, yeah sure, install Mer and find out |
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| 15:58.09 | TiagoTiago | isn't that a whole different thing? |
| 15:58.19 | caotic | so, ovi backups for the n900 dont restore application lists ? |
| 15:58.42 | DocScrutinizer | caotic: should |
| 15:58.46 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, oh, nice |
| 15:58.49 | DocScrutinizer | err ovi?? |
| 15:58.50 | TiagoTiago | brb, i'll see if lunch is ready |
| 15:59.00 | GAN900 | sivang, except they gutted it first |
| 15:59.12 | GAN900 | moved all of the relevant stuff to MCE. |
| 15:59.24 | caotic | DocScrutinizer: ovi suite as well than pc suite ? |
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| 15:59.32 | TiagoTiago | not yet :/ |
| 15:59.39 | TiagoTiago | but soon :) |
| 16:00.24 | macmaN | just posted a question/some thoughts about LUKS on N900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=853744 perhaps some of you smart peeps over here would also like to chirp in |
| 16:00.33 | javispedro | <PROTECTED> |
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| 16:00.58 | javispedro | bbl |
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| 16:01.30 | caotic | I just updated the firmware on my n900, and after going to the hole process ( that includes a restore) I dont have my applications installed, only contacts, pictures, and standar phone settings, I didnt made an internal (n900) backup since I thought the ovi suite will back up everything, (ovi suite != pc suite) |
| 16:01.31 | sivang | GAN900: hmm, so they took out the good parts to still keep them concealed? |
| 16:01.47 | sivang | GAN900: was that what you were implying with 'gutted' </not-native-speaker> |
| 16:02.00 | sivang | removing the gut, though makes sense :) |
| 16:02.38 | mgedmin | gutted = eviscerated |
| 16:02.43 | caotic | also ovi suite doesnt seem to have sms sincronization |
| 16:02.52 | caotic | I am scared of what I may have done :( |
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| 16:03.34 | caotic | also Im accounts seems lost |
| 16:03.58 | TiagoTiago | :( |
| 16:05.32 | TiagoTiago | The stuff sayiung what type of backup keeps what data safe is not very good, specially with the N900 :( |
| 16:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | what is ovi suite? |
| 16:05.43 | TiagoTiago | lunch's ready, brb |
| 16:06.03 | TiagoTiago | its the new pc suite |
| 16:06.08 | TiagoTiago | alright, i'm gone |
| 16:06.25 | merlin1991 | caotic, if you backed up im accounts, they happen to magically reappear as soon as you sintall the protocol plugins gain |
| 16:06.32 | merlin1991 | they did for me at least :) |
| 16:07.34 | caotic | DocScrutinizer: ovi suite the new pc suite, (actually pc suite didnt let me apply the firmware upgrade with pc suite) |
| 16:08.05 | caotic | err: pc suite told me to upgrade to ovi suite |
| 16:08.11 | caotic | to apply the upgrade |
| 16:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I heard this suite needs stuff from Redmond, so never touched it |
| 16:09.30 | Mece | what's redmond? |
| 16:10.17 | caotic | DocScrutinizer: yeah, well I didnt wanted to take risks with user error while upgrading my firmware |
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| 16:10.39 | caotic | DocScrutinizer: perhaps the other way was safer |
| 16:10.44 | caotic | Mece: microsoft |
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| 16:11.28 | dneary | Am I the only one really happy about http://bugs.maemo.org/7107 |
| 16:11.29 | dneary | ? |
| 16:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | bug 7107 |
| 16:11.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection |
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| 16:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | obviously not even povbot cares :-P |
| 16:12.35 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7107 |
| 16:12.36 | povbot | Bug 7107: Add http://bugs.maemo.org/[bug-id] redirection |
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| 16:12.45 | mgedmin | do those aliases work now? |
| 16:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | http://bugs.maemo.org/7107 |
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| 16:13.25 | sivang | well, nice to have |
| 16:14.00 | mgedmin | so, who wants to patch supybot's Bugzilla plugin to know about shortened urls? |
| 16:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 16:14.26 | sivang | hrm |
| 16:14.38 | mgedmin | because the only config option for that is "url", and it's already set to "https://bugs.maemo.org/" |
| 16:14.39 | dneary | mgedmin, Where's the source? |
| 16:14.41 | TiagoTiago | gah, i hate my router doesn't allow static IPs and fucks up DNS lookup :( |
| 16:14.47 | mgedmin | google knows, I forgot |
| 16:15.03 | mgedmin | bzr://bzr.everythingsolved.com/supybot/Bugzilla/ |
| 16:15.06 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/7107 |
| 16:15.16 | mgedmin | do I dare run 'bzr update' there? |
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| 16:15.53 | sivang | bug 7107 |
| 16:15.59 | sivang | bug #7107 |
| 16:16.33 | dneary | sivang, What did you break? :) |
| 16:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: used up, guard time needs to expire |
| 16:16.54 | MohammadAG51 | it probably ignored a dupe |
| 16:16.59 | MohammadAG51 | bug 1 |
| 16:16.59 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1 test - ignore it |
| 16:17.03 | MohammadAG51 | etc |
| 16:17.08 | DocScrutinizer | bug 1 |
| 16:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | QED |
| 16:17.18 | MohammadAG51 | indeed |
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| 16:18.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 16:18.25 | infobot | aw, gee, DocScrutinizer |
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| 16:19.11 | crashanddie | mgedmin, "Service Temporarily Unavailable" |
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| 16:22.21 | sivang | ~botsnack |
| 16:22.21 | infobot | sivang: thanks |
| 16:22.56 | sivang | it is a female right? |
| 16:23.02 | sivang | ~botsnack |
| 16:23.02 | infobot | sivang: aw, gee |
| 16:23.08 | sivang | ;) |
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| 16:25.49 | McFlurrey | hi :) |
| 16:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: yes, usually she's female (~attack), but sometimes seems to forget (~rape) |
| 16:27.07 | DocScrutinizer | hi |
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| 16:28.26 | McFlurrey | does anyone have an idea how i could send an sms via shell on maemo? |
| 16:28.43 | dneary | McFlurrey, I'm sure the answer to that question is yes. |
| 16:28.55 | dneary | (sorry not to be more helpful) |
| 16:29.04 | McFlurrey | i guess ;) |
| 16:29.31 | McFlurrey | but id be verrry happy if that someone who has that idea could tell me how to do it :P |
| 16:29.47 | dneary | McFlurrey, slightly less unhelpfully: you should be able to do it over dbus |
| 16:30.24 | dneary | http://tpsession.garage.maemo.org/MaemoTelepathy.html |
| 16:30.31 | dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 16:31.19 | McFlurrey | hmmmm thanks |
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| 16:32.01 | dneary | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=438487&postcount=14 |
| 16:32.51 | dneary | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=444572&postcount=19 <- Python code |
| 16:32.58 | McFlurrey | ugh .. very hackish x/ |
| 16:33.03 | McFlurrey | but thanks ! |
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| 16:33.42 | dneary | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 16:33.46 | sivang | McFlurrey: hacks is what we live for :) |
| 16:33.58 | SpeedEvil | lives for bacon. |
| 16:34.02 | kerio | BACON! |
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| 16:34.18 | SpeedEvil | Especially with fried apples. |
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| 16:34.29 | McFlurrey | toastt |
| 16:35.45 | McFlurrey | sick :D thx. thats more usefull for me |
| 16:35.47 | mgedmin | bug 1 |
| 16:35.48 | McFlurrey | *cuddle* |
| 16:35.48 | Venemo | MohammadAG51: ping |
| 16:35.59 | mgedmin | oh no please don't cache |
| 16:35.59 | mgedmin | bug 2 |
| 16:36.03 | MohammadAG51 | pong |
| 16:36.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | is the global bin from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php for europeens? |
| 16:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: you killed it!!!11!! |
| 16:36.36 | mgedmin | NonExistentRegistryEntry: short_url is not a valid entry in supybot.plugins.Bugzilla.bugzillas.bmo |
| 16:36.52 | mgedmin | how do I bloody declare available config options for bloody supybot plugins? |
| 16:36.58 | mgedmin | the 'url' was not declared anywhere in the source |
| 16:37.40 | mgedmin | oh, it was, just not in config.py |
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| 16:38.28 | vnepo | hey |
| 16:38.38 | vnepo | anyone do dual boot yet? |
| 16:39.49 | MohammadAG51 | sighs at overhyped dualboot |
| 16:40.13 | SpeedEvil | wants dualboot. |
| 16:40.25 | jpinx-eeepc | wtf would anyone dual boot ?? A vm I might understand... |
| 16:40.26 | SpeedEvil | I want green slip-on ones, made of rubber, size 10.5UK |
| 16:40.40 | SpeedEvil | My existing pair split. :/ |
| 16:41.34 | SpeedEvil | http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Dunlop-Unisex-Gardening-Clog-Wellington-Shoes-UK-3-11-/250654806463?pt=UK_Clothing_Menswear_MensShoes_GL&var=&hash=item800f0a4f62 _much_ more useful than a VM. |
| 16:41.45 | KaffeeJunky123 | MohammadAG51: can't you just install a bootloader and boot stuff? |
| 16:42.07 | MohammadAG51 | KaffeeJunky123, yes, but a small 1.3 kexec patch to the kernel was overhyped |
| 16:42.17 | MohammadAG51 | people think it's a new hidden magical bootloader |
| 16:42.36 | DocScrutinizer | wants snowboot |
| 16:42.50 | mgedmin | bug 1 |
| 16:42.51 | povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1 test - ignore it |
| 16:42.52 | MohammadAG51 | wants to make a lite, no-X OS for recovery purposes only |
| 16:42.53 | mgedmin | yay |
| 16:42.58 | mgedmin | hates supybot |
| 16:43.01 | MohammadAG51 | cool |
| 16:43.02 | vnepo | ok |
| 16:43.14 | MohammadAG51 | err |
| 16:43.20 | MohammadAG51 | http://bugs.maemo.org/2 |
| 16:43.22 | DocScrutinizer | https://bugs.maemo.org/7107 |
| 16:43.27 | MohammadAG51 | meh, nvm |
| 16:43.29 | KaffeeJunky123 | MohammadAG51: how about not starting X, you just have to edit some config files |
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| 16:43.44 | KaffeeJunky123 | MohammadAG51: or boot scripts |
| 16:43.48 | MohammadAG51 | KaffeeJunky123, not useful as a recovery system |
| 16:44.12 | MohammadAG51 | ideally, the recovery OS would allow ssh over usb, and would have a working busybox |
| 16:44.17 | MohammadAG51 | or a bash shell |
| 16:44.51 | ruskie | ssh over usb or any openned wifi |
| 16:44.54 | sivang | dneary: valuable resources you pasted here |
| 16:45.03 | dneary | sivang, Thanks! |
| 16:45.08 | sivang | dneary: worth a couple of good expansive beers |
| 16:45.10 | sivang | :) |
| 16:45.11 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 16:45.11 | dneary | There's a lot of useful information in the wiki ;) |
| 16:45.21 | sivang | yes, there is , I like the Mameo wiki |
| 16:45.29 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, it's meh |
| 16:45.36 | sivang | who did the development guide btw? |
| 16:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but it's a start |
| 16:45.39 | dneary | It could be better organised, but as wikis go, it ain't bad |
| 16:45.41 | MohammadAG51 | kb doesn't work properly |
| 16:45.49 | MohammadAG51 | source is shit to get |
| 16:45.53 | dneary | sivang, Nokia |
| 16:45.58 | dneary | Mostly Jarmo & his team |
| 16:46.04 | dneary | sivang, Why? |
| 16:46.17 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, you can't type numbers |
| 16:46.17 | sivang | dneary: we need them to go over to wiki.meego.com :) |
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| 16:46.21 | TiagoTiago | They should make a postapocaliptic movie were a guy has a refurbished N900 wrist mounted and a small army of robots |
| 16:46.25 | sivang | dneary: do the same |
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| 16:46.35 | dneary | sivang, That was migrated from a LaTeX source |
| 16:46.50 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, and you need to have a pc |
| 16:46.51 | sivang | dneary: I see |
| 16:46.57 | dneary | sivang, The Nokia documentation team unfortunately never engaged with me aout using the wiki |
| 16:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: I know |
| 16:47.12 | sivang | dneary: for meego you mean? |
| 16:48.01 | vnepo | you guys notice anything better on 1.3 |
| 16:48.12 | ruskie | vnepo, well seems to be a bit more responsive |
| 16:48.15 | sivang | dneary: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide -> migrated from latex? |
| 16:48.33 | ruskie | MohammadAG51, we need a better keymap built into the kernel... that can handle all the keys properly |
| 16:48.39 | TiagoTiago | one thing that is clearly better with pr1.3 is there is no more waiting for pr1.3 |
| 16:48.40 | sivang | anyway |
| 16:48.48 | sivang | I've left, cheers all |
| 16:48.58 | vnepo | hehe |
| 16:49.30 | MohammadAG51 | ruskie, i need a better meego.gitorious.org |
| 16:49.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | I've some questions about flashing an n900, what is the eMMc images and what is the FIASCO image? |
| 16:50.04 | dneary | Yes |
| 16:50.15 | KaffeeJunky123 | Should I first flash the PR1.3 thing and the eMMc directly afterwards? |
| 16:50.24 | dneary | sivang, Almost everything under /Documentation was migrated from latex |
| 16:50.24 | ruskie | are there any more recent demos for meego for phones? |
| 16:50.48 | dneary | sivang, Jarmo insisted that high quality print documentation was a requirement. I disagreed with him :) |
| 16:51.55 | SpeedEvil | ... |
| 16:52.00 | SpeedEvil | Print documentation. |
| 16:52.17 | SpeedEvil | You mean like written on parchment, or whatever they used to do in prehistory? |
| 16:52.21 | SpeedEvil | How can you grep that? |
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| 16:54.21 | mgedmin | https://bugs.maemo.org/1 |
| 16:54.22 | povbot | Bug 1: test - ignore it |
| 16:54.24 | mgedmin | yay! |
| 16:54.40 | MohammadAG51 | mgedmin++ |
| 16:55.01 | jacktheripper | is it possible to fool an application into portrait ? |
| 16:55.18 | jacktheripper | it's a pre application actually, running through preenv |
| 16:56.01 | ruskie | gah I see meego still hase the 'droid like UX... guess I'll stick to m5 |
| 16:56.21 | vnepo | you don't like meego? |
| 16:56.37 | ruskie | the ux no |
| 16:56.48 | vnepo | yea |
| 16:56.49 | ruskie | it's a ripoff of the android one |
| 16:56.56 | ruskie | which I don't like as well |
| 16:57.04 | ruskie | I didn't get the n900 to be a fancy smartphone... |
| 16:57.12 | ruskie | for me it's primary role is a computer |
| 16:57.24 | ruskie | a phone ux does not lend itself to that |
| 16:57.46 | vnepo | yea i see what you mean |
| 16:58.39 | ruskie | don't get me wrong... for someone like my mom meego would be great... or for some of the ppl I know... |
| 16:58.54 | ruskie | but hopefully there'll be alternatives |
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| 16:59.18 | vnepo | yea i know i like maemo but you can theme meego from the screenshots i saw so it should be ok |
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| 17:00.54 | GAN900 | sivang, yes. |
| 17:01.22 | GAN900 | sivang, they moved all of the useful code to mce, which basically made opening dsme pointless. |
| 17:01.28 | ruskie | vnepo, theming will not change the feel |
| 17:02.16 | ruskie | a full replacement of the WM on the other hand would... but still the apps would behave the same |
| 17:02.35 | vnepo | yea well its ok |
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| 17:09.03 | GAN900 | Android PlayStation phone |
| 17:09.11 | GAN900 | How depressing |
| 17:12.03 | ruskie | GAN900, seriously? |
| 17:12.25 | MohammadAG | android? |
| 17:12.28 | MohammadAG | playstation? |
| 17:12.30 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 17:12.30 | vnepo | i saw that lol |
| 17:12.46 | vnepo | engadget |
| 17:15.42 | GAN900 | ruskie, yes. |
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| 17:18.51 | lardman | night chaps |
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| 17:22.04 | Noobmonk3y | hmmm QT creator no-longer connects to my n900 after flashing............ |
| 17:22.16 | Noobmonk3y | (SSH + Madde installed) |
| 17:22.36 | MohammadAG | static IP? |
| 17:22.45 | MohammadAG | and use gitorious! :P |
| 17:22.45 | Noobmonk3y | same ip as b4 |
| 17:23.03 | Noobmonk3y | when they allow me to upload after creating the project i will! |
| 17:24.33 | MohammadAG | hmm? |
| 17:25.13 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: because after reflash, it forgot your SSH key, maybe |
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| 17:27.36 | orospakr | I'm looking for documentation describing the functionality of the dual-boot feature in PR1.3, since I'm keen to look at some Meego dev builds. Alas, I am not having any luck finding it. |
| 17:29.00 | Venemo | orospakr: maybe the guys at #meego may be of better help |
| 17:29.11 | orospakr | fair enough. :) |
| 17:29.18 | jacekowski | orospakr: there is no dualboot in pr1.3 |
| 17:29.19 | Venemo | orospakr: also look at http://thehandheldblog.com/2010/10/27/demo-the-n900-dual-booting-maemo-meego/ |
| 17:29.27 | jacekowski | orospakr: it's just kexec support |
| 17:29.37 | Venemo | orospakr: this stuff is in no way related to PR 1.3 afaik btw |
| 17:30.24 | orospakr | ahh, I see. |
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| 17:31.45 | lcuk | dual boot prototype instructions: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/U-Boot_from_scratch |
| 17:31.51 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: i reset the developer password |
| 17:32.11 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: did you also set up USB networking both on your PC and your N900? |
| 17:32.20 | lcuk | \o Noobmonk3y |
| 17:32.20 | Noobmonk3y | but surely it would give me a user or password error? |
| 17:32.25 | Noobmonk3y | venemo, using wifi |
| 17:32.28 | Noobmonk3y | hey lcuky |
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| 17:33.03 | guille_ | hi |
| 17:33.40 | guille_ | Does anyone have managed to get PyQt4.QtMedia. |
| 17:34.59 | guille_ | sorry, to play sound? QAudioDeviceInfo.availableDevices(`output') is empty and i've seen a bug ticket about it. |
| 17:36.54 | guille_ | (it seems they could make it work from c++, is it a well known bindings' issue or am i missing something?) |
| 17:37.01 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: hm, I dunno then |
| 17:37.20 | Venemo | Noobmonk3y: is SSH installed on the device correctly? |
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| 17:38.58 | RST38h | lcuk: Do you still need to flash custom kernel in PR1.3? |
| 17:39.30 | mgedmin | Noobmonk3y, and what error does it give you now? |
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| 17:41.44 | Noobmonk3y | sry back |
| 17:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | aims MTHELs at creator of PR1.3-dualboot nonsense |
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| 17:42.23 | Noobmonk3y | Venemo: hmmmm how do i check it is installed correctly, rather then just installed? (I did do an apt-get install (ssh and madde) --reinstall) |
| 17:42.51 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: fire up PuTTY and ssh in ? |
| 17:43.02 | Noobmonk3y | mgedmin: Device configuration test failed: |
| 17:43.03 | Noobmonk3y | Could not connect to host. |
| 17:43.26 | MohammadAG | try PuTTY, as DocScrutinizer suggested |
| 17:43.27 | Noobmonk3y | aghhhhhhhh |
| 17:43.32 | Noobmonk3y | winscp cant connect as developer |
| 17:43.35 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, MeeGo blog :P |
| 17:43.38 | Noobmonk3y | hmm, can i recreate the developer user? |
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| 17:46.37 | n900-dk | Does update by Ovi Suite work as flasing the device? |
| 17:46.51 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, did you install MADDE on the device? |
| 17:47.28 | Noobmonk3y | tis still on there |
| 17:47.33 | Noobmonk3y | and i --reinstalled it |
| 17:47.49 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 17:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: you need to know 1) which user on your originating PC is trying to connect to N900 2) by using which user name for N900 if any different 3) what's the sshkey used - then create a user on N900 according to the username used on PC for the ssh session, and copy over pubkey from PC to N900 as usual |
| 17:48.40 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I wonder if the /home/developer directory is there, but no actual user |
| 17:48.53 | Noobmonk3y | 1) yes, 2) yes, 3) no ssh (doesnt work on qtcreator in this way, tis documented) |
| 17:49.52 | Noobmonk3y | will uninstall madde, and reinstall |
| 17:50.01 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I got NFC what this whole MADDE thing looks like, and whether it logs in to N900 by ssh user@n900 or root@n900 or developer@n900 or yourAccountName@n900 |
| 17:50.26 | MohammadAG | it creates a new user |
| 17:50.29 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: developer@n900 |
| 17:50.35 | Noobmonk3y | in my case |
| 17:50.39 | DocScrutinizer | so go ahead do that |
| 17:50.45 | Noobmonk3y | trying but it aint working |
| 17:50.47 | MohammadAG | called developer, then it scps over a deb, then installs that deb into /usr/local/bin |
| 17:50.48 | Noobmonk3y | hence my last question |
| 17:50.53 | Noobmonk3y | hmm, can i recreate the developer user? |
| 17:50.57 | Noobmonk3y | ^^ |
| 17:51.00 | DocScrutinizer | the create /home/developer/.ssh |
| 17:51.00 | MohammadAG | yes, useradd |
| 17:51.05 | Noobmonk3y | thanks Mo |
| 17:51.14 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, chances are, the user isn't there, only the homedir |
| 17:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | and move your sshkey to authorized_keys there |
| 17:51.27 | Noobmonk3y | ok, well that is already created |
| 17:51.27 | Noobmonk3y | bah |
| 17:51.30 | Noobmonk3y | and still not using keys |
| 17:51.33 | Noobmonk3y | using a password DocScrutinizer |
| 17:51.46 | n900-dk | hmm, now with communication error and no network connections after PR13 update :/ |
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| 17:52.09 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, |
| 17:52.17 | MohammadAG | uninstall mad-developer |
| 17:52.26 | Noobmonk3y | doing it now :p |
| 17:52.30 | MohammadAG | userdel developer |
| 17:52.34 | MohammadAG | rm -rf /home/developer |
| 17:52.46 | MohammadAG | then reinstall it, and start from there |
| 17:52.50 | Noobmonk3y | thanks Mo :) |
| 17:53.36 | MohammadAG | test on my device: |
| 17:53.36 | MohammadAG | Device configuration test failed: |
| 17:53.37 | MohammadAG | Could not connect to host. |
| 17:54.13 | DocScrutinizer | Noobmonk3y: anyway if you're using password then you might want to do >>root; passwd developer<< |
| 17:54.25 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: i did ;) |
| 17:54.26 | Noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 17:54.30 | Noobmonk3y | thankyou for trying though :) |
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| 17:55.04 | DocScrutinizer | try connecting to developer@n900 ! |
| 17:55.15 | Noobmonk3y | DocScrutinizer: i am ;) |
| 17:56.00 | MohammadAG | Device configuration successful. |
| 17:56.01 | MohammadAG | Hardware architecture: armv7l |
| 17:56.05 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:56.07 | MohammadAG | fixed it, ha! |
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| 17:58.54 | Noobmonk3y | thankyou DocScrutinizer / MohammadAG all working now :) |
| 17:59.23 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
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| 18:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | stops trying to create a syslog line for >ssh idiot@n900< |
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| 18:00.51 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 18:02.20 | crashanddie | GAN900 & timeless: you guys tried firesheep on osx? |
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| 18:04.17 | mece | gaddamn kde! |
| 18:04.18 | mece | grr |
| 18:04.30 | mece | is done. Installing gnome distro. |
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| 18:04.41 | MohammadAG | gnome ftw |
| 18:04.45 | mece | yep. |
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| 18:05.24 | mece | I had such an ancient distro that I needed an upgrade. people kept saying yay kde is super. |
| 18:05.46 | mece | but it went from everything just works to nothing just works. |
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| 18:07.07 | GAN900 | crashanddie, no. |
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| 18:13.21 | ZogG | MohammadAG xfce4 > gnome |
| 18:13.37 | jacekowski | kde > xfce4+gnome |
| 18:13.47 | ZogG | anytgibd >kde |
| 18:13.51 | ZogG | anything* |
| 18:13.58 | ZogG | kde is such a mess |
| 18:14.10 | ZogG | let's leave it that it's a such mess |
| 18:14.36 | FauxFaux | Aero. \o/ |
| 18:14.44 | MohammadAG | pukes |
| 18:14.46 | ZogG | seriously what people like about that bright shinny peice of ... |
| 18:14.52 | ZogG | all dependies |
| 18:15.04 | ZogG | you want a wallpaper - you need kde-libs |
| 18:15.12 | BugBlue | kmail is the only functional not sucky GUI mailclient |
| 18:15.14 | ZogG | you want to open txt file - you need kde-lib |
| 18:15.31 | ZogG | you want to drink a glass of water you need kdelib |
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| 18:15.49 | ZogG | BugBlue claws ? |
| 18:16.10 | ZogG | MohammadAG, show me your screenies |
| 18:17.05 | ZogG | FauxFaux and aero is like old websites, with a huge mass of unwanetd and not functional, useless pretty things ( i don'ty find anything pretty actually about all those round coners and transperenty) |
| 18:17.23 | ZogG | is on the path of holywar |
| 18:17.28 | Aranel | Anyone know a guide to resize partitions (/home/user to precise) on N900? 2gb is not enough for preenv :| |
| 18:17.28 | BugBlue | ZogG: threaded 'background' imap support? |
| 18:17.53 | kerio | xfce ftw |
| 18:17.58 | ZogG | Aranel, ? |
| 18:18.11 | kerio | xfce+rox-filer ran great on my old debian box |
| 18:18.15 | ZogG | Aranel just make folder and symlink it |
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| 18:18.34 | ZogG | kerio i use xfce4 as it is |
| 18:18.49 | kerio | it had a REALLY bad file browser at the time |
| 18:19.10 | Aranel | ZogG: but chmod +x is not working on MyDocs? It doesn't execute anything. Resizing /home/user to 4gb would be great. |
| 18:19.19 | MohammadAG | ZogG, http://i52.tinypic.com/2ury3jd.jpg :P |
| 18:19.50 | chem|st | kerio: rxvt... |
| 18:19.51 | MohammadAG | would symlink datafiles to MyDocs |
| 18:19.58 | MohammadAG | keep the executable in /home/user |
| 18:20.13 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmmmm qt layouts are a real pain in the ass! |
| 18:20.21 | ZogG | MohammadAG netbook? and why it's so default gnome? |
| 18:20.22 | chem|st | Aranel: MyDocs is vfat and does not know anything about attributes |
| 18:20.36 | MohammadAG | ZogG, no, i5 laptop |
| 18:20.41 | ZogG | all those temp values and all other stuff is not needed |
| 18:20.53 | ZogG | MohammadAG i5? damn - where do you get money man =) |
| 18:20.55 | RST38h | woooohooo, another "I am switching from n900 to android" post! |
| 18:21.03 | kerio | :( |
| 18:21.07 | ZogG | MohammadAG anyway but it's too small on my home screen |
| 18:21.08 | Noobmonk3y | has an i5 tablet pc infront of me atm lol - it aint that great |
| 18:21.23 | ZogG | i have due core laptop |
| 18:21.31 | ZogG | and Q6600 desctop |
| 18:21.34 | ZogG | desktopp |
| 18:21.37 | ZogG | DAMN |
| 18:21.39 | kerio | nokia dun goofed |
| 18:21.41 | ZogG | desktop* |
| 18:21.43 | Noobmonk3y | :) |
| 18:21.44 | RST38h | dual |
| 18:21.49 | Noobmonk3y | kerio: no bacon in the update :( |
| 18:21.50 | ZogG | and i have arm phone btw =) |
| 18:21.59 | RST38h | an armphone |
| 18:22.10 | MohammadAG | ZogG, it was cheap, bought it from Jordan :P |
| 18:22.18 | RST38h | feels like a grammar nazi tonight, for a change |
| 18:22.23 | MohammadAG | was even cheaper than all other lappies, which felt kinda weird |
| 18:23.36 | ZogG | RST38h i dyslectic and russian, so suck mine huge .... |
| 18:23.38 | ZogG | =* |
| 18:23.38 | Aranel | chem|st: looks like It doesn't allow me to execute binaries there too. |
| 18:24.01 | ZogG | MohammadAG hmm, maybe you buy me stuff Jordan Jordan??? |
| 18:24.06 | RST38h | ehhehehe |
| 18:24.23 | ZogG | Aranel than use SD card with ext2 |
| 18:24.40 | Aranel | MohammadAG: so you didn't repartition your device? Is it because it's not possible/no one knows to do that or another reason? |
| 18:24.59 | Aranel | ZogG: tried on my MMC card, didnt work too. |
| 18:25.00 | MohammadAG | Aranel, my /home is 3GBs |
| 18:25.09 | ZogG | RST38h is it really snowing now in mama russia? |
| 18:25.16 | MohammadAG | used sed on the vanilla image |
| 18:25.17 | Aranel | MohammadAG: how did you that *-* |
| 18:25.21 | ZogG | Aranel did you formay it too ext2? |
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| 18:25.31 | RST38h | ZogG: Nah. Raining here, in the Little Mordor |
| 18:25.38 | MohammadAG | sed -i s/2048/3072/g vanillaimage.bin |
| 18:25.46 | ZogG | RST38h there is snow in moscow |
| 18:25.48 | Aranel | MohammadAG: d'oh, reflashing :| I would prefer trying it without reflash first. |
| 18:25.52 | RST38h | ZogG: Not where I am |
| 18:26.05 | RST38h | There is green grass though |
| 18:26.24 | ZogG | printed MohammadAG screenshot and put it on wall |
| 18:26.27 | MohammadAG | Aranel, cfdisk, I'm not an expert |
| 18:27.26 | Aranel | ZogG: dunno if it's ext or vfat, is it possible to check it? |
| 18:27.27 | ZogG | Aranel did you format sd card to ext2??????????? |
| 18:27.35 | ZogG | Aranel fdisk -l |
| 18:27.56 | ZogG | Aranel, do you have laptop with sd card reader? |
| 18:28.16 | Aranel | ZogG: ~sh: fdisk: not found , nope I don't have one. |
| 18:28.20 | ZogG | as in maemo there is cfdsk or how is it call and it's not that simple as fdisk |
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| 18:29.32 | Myrtti | how about "mount" |
| 18:29.52 | ZogG | Myrtti, right |
| 18:29.53 | Myrtti | to state the obvious... |
| 18:29.56 | Aranel | MohammadAG: how about this: http://sumoudou.org/%E7%9B%B8%E6%92%B2%E5%A4%96%EF%BC%9ARepartition%20the%20Nokia%20N900.html |
| 18:30.19 | Myrtti | if we were talking about checking the filesystem |
| 18:30.28 | ZogG | Aranel do not change your partition you end up bricking and flashing device |
| 18:30.33 | Aranel | MohammadAG: sorry for the messed up link, It has kinda weird japanese/chinese (i guess?) characters. |
| 18:30.35 | ZogG | if you don't know what you are doing |
| 18:31.14 | ZogG | Aranel just use mount command to check |
| 18:31.28 | MohammadAG | Aranel, sfdisk should also work, I use cfdisk since it has a UI (sorta) |
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| 18:31.37 | Aranel | ZogG: :| I know that It's not a great idea to mess up with partition tables, but I don't have enough space to install new apps or pre games on it. MyDocs is sitting there with lots of empty space. |
| 18:32.12 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:32.32 | Aranel | ZogG: here's my sfdisk -l http://pastebin.com/ix4YuNSC |
| 18:32.35 | Myrtti | minimalism ftw, uninstall unused old ones... |
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| 18:33.42 | ZogG | Aranel, /dev/mmcblk1p2 |
| 18:33.49 | Aranel | In fact my filesystem is acting weird, I don't see any errors on dmesg output, anyway according to Storage Usage I'm using 1.6 GB, but df -h says I have 100~ megabytes, I cannot free up space :| |
| 18:34.07 | ZogG | MWHAHAH |
| 18:34.09 | Aranel | ZogG: one of them is Android, other one is for general use. |
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| 18:34.28 | ZogG | Aranel android one is ext2 i think |
| 18:34.52 | ZogG | Aranel pastebin mount |
| 18:35.26 | Aranel | ZogG: http://pastebin.com/aDrFxxJs |
| 18:36.02 | ZogG | Aranel, go to /media/mmc1 |
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| 18:36.38 | Noobmonk3y | wb lcuky |
| 18:36.52 | ZogG | Aranel, mkdir /home/user/MyDocs/temp && cp /media/mmc1* /home/user/MyDocs/temp |
| 18:37.27 | Aranel | ZogG: I don't have anything valuable there. skipping this step? |
| 18:37.34 | ZogG | umount /media/mmc1 && mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 18:37.56 | ZogG | Aranel photos are going there by default |
| 18:38.40 | Aranel | ZogG: I changed it lately and moved them to built-in memory. |
| 18:38.58 | Aranel | ok now doing the second step. |
| 18:38.59 | ZogG | Aranel umount /media/mmc1 && mkfs.ext2 /dev/mmcblk1p1 |
| 18:39.41 | Aranel | ZogG: umount: cannot umount /media/mmc1: Device or resource busy |
| 18:39.55 | Aranel | ZogG: oops. ok corrected =) |
| 18:40.29 | ZogG | Aranel you have it opened somewhere |
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| 18:40.35 | ZogG | cd .. |
| 18:41.15 | Aranel | ZogG: done, looks like successful: http://pastebin.com/bvLGSr6V |
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| 18:42.38 | ZogG | Aranel now mount it |
| 18:42.44 | Aranel | ZogG: off-topic question: does kernel-power work on PR1.3? I need it to forcefsck /home/ partition (and rootfs too if possible) |
| 18:42.58 | ZogG | Aranel, better you change the rules to automount it to /media/ |
| 18:43.17 | ZogG | Aranel never OC device =) |
| 18:43.19 | Aranel | ZogG: how can I mount/change the rules? |
| 18:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: I bet yur missing-free-space problems are caused by fubar apps that don't adhere to ~optification |
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| 18:43.46 | Aranel | ZogG: nope, I would never OC mine, I want it for its forcefsck feature which is not implemented by default. |
| 18:43.51 | ZogG | Aranel mount /dev/name-device /some/foler/to/mount/to |
| 18:44.28 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer fubar? |
| 18:44.33 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: the question is "does PR1.3 run on power-kernel" |
| 18:44.35 | Aranel | ZogG: mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk1p1 on /media/mmc1 failed: Invalid argument |
| 18:44.40 | DocScrutinizer | ~fubar |
| 18:44.41 | infobot | fubar is F*cked Up Beyond Any Recognition, e.g. "This whole operation is fubar, soldier" (gay lisp included), or a bar addon like Titan Panel and Telo's InfoBar. and everything. |
| 18:45.53 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: the answer probably is "running PR1.3 on a PR1.2 based power-kernel isn't going to end happy" |
| 18:45.55 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: I got enough rootfs space (80 megabytes atm) because I symlinked microb, nokia-maps and locale folders, problem is, storage usage reports 1.6gb in use on /home/user but I only have 100~ free. |
| 18:46.02 | ZogG | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:47.04 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: then some of your apps didn't follow rules of ~optification |
| 18:47.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~optification |
| 18:47.17 | infobot | it has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 |
| 18:47.49 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: Isn't optification about creating symlinks on rootfs to /opt/ ? |
| 18:47.56 | DocScrutinizer | notice the "_and_MyDocs" part in first URL |
| 18:48.04 | Aranel | ZogG: done and now I can see it on File Manager ^^ |
| 18:48.15 | Aranel | ZogG: how can I make it auto-mount now? fstab? |
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| 18:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: yes, but also about creating symlinks to MyDocs for huge amounts of data, like textures/maps/other-random-non-ELF stuff |
| 18:50.21 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: I understand your point, but If Storage Usage is not mistaken (It's possible ofc) I've removed kroll (about 190~) but I got only 100 megabytes free. 1.6gb is in use but I only got 100~ free on /home/ |
| 18:50.27 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: nope, you have to edit initscripts and most likely will break your system on doing so |
| 18:50.58 | DocScrutinizer | for automount |
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| 18:51.27 | DocScrutinizer | and there's still rumour about system parts breaking on missing VFAT partiton |
| 18:51.46 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: hmm. what you do if you make your device unbootable? Possible to do something outside (like using livecds on broken ubuntu installations, maybe multibooting?) or you just flash it? |
| 18:51.46 | ZogG | Aranel just make small script to umount and re-mount it and put somewhere |
| 18:52.01 | DocScrutinizer | Aranel: no |
| 18:52.04 | DocScrutinizer | reflash |
| 18:52.08 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer meh he formated SD |
| 18:52.14 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer, don't scary him |
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| 18:53.26 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: :| I remember something named rescue-boot, doesn't it work if device is bricked? |
| 18:53.50 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: If he's not yet scared by mere fact some silly packages ate 1.6GB of his /home, I guess I'll have a hard time to scare him at all |
| 18:53.53 | Aranel | sorry If I'm asking TONS of questions, It's because I have tons of questions :| |
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| 18:54.50 | Aranel | DocScrutinizer: only thing scares me is some packages ate 1.6gb of my /home but I have only 100megabytes free space. I wonder what happened to 300~ megabytes. |
| 18:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | rounding error and inodes |
| 18:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
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| 18:55.52 | Aranel | means I have to do fsck. since kernel-power is not working, I cannot. |
| 18:55.57 | DocScrutinizer | a 10 byte file nevertheless needs a full 512byte block plus directory entry |
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| 18:56.23 | KaffeeJunky123 | why does maemo not ask for my root pw when I do sudo gainroot? |
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| 18:56.58 | DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: because it's braindamaged. See http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for a fix |
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| 18:57.58 | KaffeeJunky123 | thanks a lot |
| 18:58.02 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 18:58.08 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't like gaining root privileges without pw ^^ |
| 18:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | me neither :-D |
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| 19:00.08 | newbie007 | hi, I'm getting an icon on the system menu. It's an image of a paper with 1 & 0's on it. And there is a red slash through that |
| 19:00.14 | newbie007 | can anyone tell me what that means? |
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| 19:02.04 | slonopotamus | newbie007, that it doesn't have a better icon for that filetype? |
| 19:02.12 | mece | gnome <3 |
| 19:04.09 | erani | is there a way to remove an individual appointment from a repeating appointment in calendar? due to e.g. some kind of exception in lecture arrangements |
| 19:04.40 | zap_ | Anybody had problems with NFS mounts on N900? I remember I had the same problem ~a few month earlier, but don't remember the solution |
| 19:04.49 | newbie007 | It's a system error message of some sort |
| 19:05.05 | newbie007 | if I plug headphones into the n900 I get an icon of headphones |
| 19:05.23 | newbie007 | in the same area I'm getting a message that something is off or disabled. but what? |
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| 19:05.47 | newbie007 | It looks like the icon indicates that "Binary" is turned off |
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| 19:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | newbie007: means 'no SIM' |
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| 19:08.35 | newbie007 | SIM ? |
| 19:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | it's actually a SIM, no paper :-) |
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| 19:09.05 | newbie007 | DocScrutinizer: my phone card thing ? |
| 19:09.10 | newbie007 | that sounds bad... |
| 19:09.15 | DocScrutinizer | you see cut corner on upper right ;-D |
| 19:09.31 | newbie007 | yeap that's it, thank you |
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| 19:12.18 | DocScrutinizer | PR1.3 changelog courtesy PaulFertser : https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9 |
| 19:12.21 | Myrtti | that happens almost with every phone |
| 19:12.30 | Myrtti | it's not unusual or unheard of |
| 19:12.42 | newbie007 | Myrtti: what does? |
| 19:12.43 | PaulFertser | Kernel changelog only, referenced from git comparing to the previous version. |
| 19:12.58 | PaulFertser | (just diff for debian/changelog in fact) |
| 19:13.06 | Myrtti | newbie007: that the sim card is dislodged, has some dust or just gets a slow kickstart |
| 19:13.11 | newbie007 | getting a different boot up now.. asking for language |
| 19:13.24 | newbie007 | Myrtti: I cleaned the contacts and rebooted |
| 19:13.32 | newbie007 | looks good now |
| 19:13.34 | Myrtti | newbie007: if the problem is persistant, then I'd be worried, perhaps get a new sim from the operator |
| 19:14.30 | newbie007 | I've noticed that a lot of my linux problems (few and far between though they be) are typcially hardware related.. not saying linux is bad on hardware. I'm saying that when I do have a problem it's usually not the software |
| 19:14.54 | Myrtti | Windows is good in hiding problems |
| 19:15.01 | newbie007 | Myrtti: I think I'll stop using the phone in the shower so often |
| 19:15.13 | Myrtti | then when the problems appear, then the situation is usually unrecoverable |
| 19:15.55 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer: added the link to Maemo_5/PR1.3, i hope that's enough for those interested in details. |
| 19:16.17 | DocScrutinizer | PaulFertser: thanks :-D |
| 19:17.54 | KaffeeJunky123 | sshing into the n900 is pretty comfortable |
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| 19:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: try this link in your favourite browser :-D sftp://root@192.168.1.32/home/user/MyDocs/.documents (you might want to adjust the IP addr) |
| 19:20.22 | MohammadAG | do I see an IO patch in that kernel? |
| 19:20.39 | MohammadAG | block/cfq-iosched.c |
| 19:21.12 | MohammadAG | + * Fixes: NB#164090 - Rover is violating SD card specification victimizing |
| 19:21.12 | MohammadAG | + few (Sandisk) SD cards |
| 19:21.14 | MohammadAG | WTF? |
| 19:21.30 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: that's not that |
| 19:21.47 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: 'raping' is a better word |
| 19:21.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: that one doesn't work ^^ |
| 19:21.57 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: SD card specifications is more probably about omap_hsmmc.c changes |
| 19:21.58 | Myrtti | actually it's not |
| 19:21.59 | DocScrutinizer | Fixes: NB#149752 - kernel oops after lots of IO |
| 19:22.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | DocScrutinizer: probably haven't installed sftp on this machine |
| 19:22.34 | frals | omfg, a bug! IN THE KERNEL! THIS CAN NOT BE! |
| 19:22.37 | PaulFertser | "Big SD cards (16GiB) are prohibited from switching voltage regulator to asleep because of high current consumption" |
| 19:22.54 | MohammadAG | PaulFertser, yes I know it's not that |
| 19:23.02 | MohammadAG | oh, nvm |
| 19:23.18 | MohammadAG | lol Stskeeps |
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| 19:23.55 | DocScrutinizer | cya peeps, dinner time |
| 19:24.02 | MohammadAG | why is this a kernel bug :/ |
| 19:24.03 | MohammadAG | + * Fixes: NB#147449 - Joikuspot slows device down |
| 19:24.18 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: i'm more puzzled about "Dual boot for MeeGo", i see no related changes in the patchset. |
| 19:24.26 | Stskeeps | kexec's there |
| 19:24.26 | MohammadAG | PaulFertser, kexec? |
| 19:24.41 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: probably Stskeeps knows why we see only debian changelog without actual patches. |
| 19:24.54 | MohammadAG | wonders if Stskeeps has all channels open in separate windows |
| 19:25.00 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: irssi, baby |
| 19:25.06 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: kexec seems to be enabled in the previous patchset as well, i see no related changes. |
| 19:25.48 | Myrtti | irssi ⥠|
| 19:25.51 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: there was a bug in ARMv7 .. sec |
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| 19:25.57 | DocScrutinizer | + * Fixes: NB#170888 - Dual boot in kernel for enabling MeeGo |
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| 19:26.29 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ah, so it's just about backporting some important low-level change, not about "enabling kexec". |
| 19:27.01 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 19:27.04 | Stskeeps | kexec was =y all the time, but it wasnt working.. give me a minute |
| 19:27.05 | MohammadAG | patches to musb_core |
| 19:27.12 | MohammadAG | this is interesting... |
| 19:27.17 | Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/kexec#Building_and_installing_your_own_kernel |
| 19:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | duh!! |
| 19:27.45 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, may I ask why the sources on meego.gitorious.org are as clear as fog? |
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| 19:28.01 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ok, thanks, didn't thought of that possibility :) It's quite surprising (every time) to see nokia using that _ancient_ version as a base. |
| 19:28.12 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: we're on .35 and loving it |
| 19:28.50 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'm sure there're some downsides; that was the same with n810 :( |
| 19:29.32 | PaulFertser | s^was^is^ even :| |
| 19:29.45 | Stskeeps | n900 might be the first device that's well supported upstream |
| 19:29.47 | PaulFertser | Because n810 is still cool and still not really usable :| |
| 19:30.51 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: well, can you recommend n910 users to switch to .35 now, is it actually "production-ready"? |
| 19:31.21 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: if you want to run maemo, no, but we're increasingily supporting more and more |
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| 19:31.51 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: ok, i see, thanks for the info. |
| 19:31.53 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, now, answer my question :P |
| 19:34.28 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG: the kernel? |
| 19:34.48 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, initrd would be one, kernel would be another |
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| 19:35.09 | Stskeeps | ok, the n900 kernel we have, it's constructed as a rpm package, cos it simply makes it easy to build and follow kernel builds |
| 19:35.26 | Stskeeps | kernel is upstream + patches, because we shouldn't have 'the meego kernel source tree' and divert from upstrema |
| 19:36.03 | MohammadAG | so, the patches should apply against the latest upstream? |
| 19:36.11 | MohammadAG | aka bleeding edge |
| 19:36.12 | Stskeeps | again 2.6.35 atm yes |
| 19:36.18 | Stskeeps | there's two tracks |
| 19:36.21 | Stskeeps | -dev and stable |
| 19:36.34 | MohammadAG | I'm thinking 2.6.35.7 |
| 19:37.00 | MohammadAG | Stskeeps, and the initrd? |
| 19:37.13 | Stskeeps | look at the .spec, it's obvious how it's put together.. |
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| 19:40.22 | PaulFertser | Folks, they seem to be doing a strange trick in new kernel: once some userspace app writes anything that's not "0" to the "lock" sysfs node of the si4713 driver, changing FM transmitter power becomes impossible until after module reload. |
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| 19:43.28 | PaulFertser | And it's "locked" on my device indeed. |
| 19:44.45 | Stskeeps | regulatory needs maybe |
| 19:44.48 | Stskeeps | if it's a problem, hack it |
| 19:44.50 | PaulFertser | Module reload helps :))) |
| 19:45.00 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i mean the trick seems to be really inconsistent. |
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| 19:45.08 | PaulFertser | (probably just plain stupid even) |
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| 19:47.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably really just meant to avoid accidental messing |
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| 19:48.33 | ShadowJK | Some people do say that if you turn up power beyond the max in the datasheet, the frequency starts drifting after a few minutes :-) |
| 19:49.46 | PaulFertser | Some people (inside Nokia) should learn to fucking talk to their users explaining what and why's going on. |
| 19:49.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 19:50.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | and again hehe |
| 19:50.24 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: we discuss the kernel stuff in meego in the open and on mailing list |
| 19:50.29 | Stskeeps | maemo, well, dunno |
| 19:50.36 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: that's very nice of you indeed. |
| 19:50.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | see backscoll, search for consumer |
| 19:51.03 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i really hope MeeGo will become the system you dreamed off. |
| 19:51.11 | frals | users = idiots, sorry but its usually true :P |
| 19:51.13 | Stskeeps | i hope so too - i mean, i am in charge of making it so |
| 19:51.34 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: my new role is nokia n900 hardware adaptation maintainer in meego, so |
| 19:51.42 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i know you (and many other folks in the team) are well-intended. But nokia's behaviour is still offending me. |
| 19:52.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there a ole for Nokia FOSS hardware evangelist? |
| 19:52.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | role* |
| 19:52.59 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: pr1.3 released but goddamn "cherry" is still there. That's what i can't really tolerate, uber-offensive. |
| 19:53.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | yeah |
| 19:53.35 | MohammadAG | frals, sadly, we're all users in a way |
| 19:53.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | know mega annoyance |
| 19:53.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | +n |
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| 19:55.03 | PaulFertser | Asking for IMEA to download the firmware is also both offensive and meaningless (as everything is there in the repos anyway) at the same time! |
| 19:55.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | not really aiui |
| 19:56.01 | ShadowJK | Some of the repos aren't downloadable from a desktop PC btw :) |
| 19:56.14 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: i'm happy to see the meego images not requiring that anymore |
| 19:56.19 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, they are ;) |
| 19:56.31 | ShadowJK | With key from the device.. |
| 19:56.31 | MohammadAG | cough*/etc/apt/auth*cough |
| 19:57.07 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: if i decide to not use Nokia devices because they keep offending me, i'd not have much choice to run those nice meego images on. :| |
| 19:57.32 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: help the beagleboard effort :) |
| 19:58.13 | ShadowJK | that'd bring touchbook with it almost, i guess |
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| 19:58.26 | Stskeeps | yeah |
| 19:59.31 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: well, we'll never fully agree about these matters, we both know that. I do not feel like i can say anything new. I passed the link to the kernel changes to the guys, i think it's now obvious that one should update to the PR1.3 kernel. |
| 19:59.57 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
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| 20:00.40 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmmmmmmmmm is there a way to wrap cells in a qt gridlayout? |
| 20:01.31 | achipa | PaulFertser: the IMEI-for-firmware is a licensing pain-in-the-butt, not a preference |
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| 20:02.03 | PaulFertser | achipa: how can it make sense when all the same components of the firmware are freely downloadable from the repository? |
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| 20:02.36 | achipa | PaulFertser: they aren't (as in not ALL components) |
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| 20:02.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | MohammadAG: so I look forward for PR1.3 kernel plus sarahn's patches plus mine :-) |
| 20:02.49 | achipa | and even if they were, that would be the error (sadly) |
| 20:03.02 | PaulFertser | achipa: then why not remove those misterious components from the image? What are they? |
| 20:03.25 | achipa | achipa: Flash, Skype, driver blobs, that sort of stuff |
| 20:03.45 | achipa | PaulFertser: ^^ |
| 20:03.51 | nid0 | im sure people wouldnt much appreciate software like ovi/skype getting removed just so the odd couple of people who get really irritated by the imei prompt could be happy |
| 20:04.26 | PaulFertser | achipa: those can be downloaded separately by the user if he wants shit in his device i guess. |
| 20:04.31 | ZogG | achipa flash - samsh, skype - pipe, blobs - pops, stuff - puff |
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| 20:04.56 | achipa | PaulFertser: no, they cannot. That's why we are pissing blood with !$%&@$^ Flash 10.1 |
| 20:05.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: alas a few of thise are mandatory for a working device - e.g. bme |
| 20:05.10 | PaulFertser | achipa: and wifi driver firmware is redistributable anyway. |
| 20:05.17 | PaulFertser | DocScrutinizer51: isn't bme in the repos? |
| 20:05.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno |
| 20:05.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | wouldn't think so |
| 20:05.56 | zap | Anybody can tell me where I can get libwmf0.2-7 package? It's in Nokia repository, but I need it in scratchbox |
| 20:06.07 | achipa | PaulFertser: hey, I'm just saying that there is at least one component that is limited by some licensing idiocy and so most be tied to a device |
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| 20:07.15 | PaulFertser | achipa: let it be downloaded automatically from the internet then. |
| 20:07.27 | zap | ah, its in -testing |
| 20:07.35 | valdyn | PaulFertser: that graphic driver blob? |
| 20:07.55 | valdyn | PaulFertser: end users supposed to run n900 in tty mode? |
| 20:08.00 | PaulFertser | achipa: or the devs could have spent 30 minutes (!) to make the script build two kind of images: redistributable and non-redistributable. |
| 20:08.07 | MohammadAG | Posts: 1,337 | Thanked: 3,128 times | Joined on Oct 2009 @ Jerusalem, PS/IL |
| 20:08.09 | MohammadAG | I'm 1337 :P |
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| 20:08.47 | MohammadAG | PaulFertser, bme is in the repos, and the latest (MeeGo) one is redistributable |
| 20:09.07 | achipa | PaulFertser: sadly, that doesn't work like that (again, nothing to do with technical stuff, pure procedural-legal drain bramagery) |
| 20:09.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: sure things could 've done better. But imei is one of the minor itches |
| 20:09.22 | PaulFertser | valdyn: the graphic driver blob can be made independent of imea registration (if it's not already). |
| 20:09.47 | PaulFertser | achipa: sadly, i feel a personal offense when anyone's doing that to me. |
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| 20:10.21 | MohammadAG | why personal? |
| 20:10.43 | achipa | PaulFertser: I suggest you write a heartfelt letter to vendors providing driver blobs or components that require such licensing |
| 20:10.55 | achipa | PaulFertser: (and in this case, it's not just Nokia) |
| 20:10.55 | PaulFertser | MohammadAG: i'm kinda solipsist, so i'm not assuming anyone else exists ;) |
| 20:11.29 | Arkenoi | observed 1.3 incoming call screen glitch, well, compared to 1.2 it is non-issue, i surely can live with it |
| 20:11.30 | PaulFertser | achipa: it's nokia not negotiating with the vendors enough. I'm sure nokia could push them if it wanted. |
| 20:11.54 | Stskeeps | we have SGX redistributable, which is nice |
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| 20:12.15 | MohammadAG | wants rythmbox on the N900 |
| 20:12.15 | achipa | PaulFertser: in the corporate world, that often tran$late$ to pu$h :) |
| 20:12.41 | valdyn | PaulFertser: we dont know if the "vendor" has the rights to "free" its stuff, most probably hes also using 3rd party restricted code... |
| 20:12.48 | PaulFertser | achipa: i guess it's rather about nokia's managers not caring much. Even one man can change a lot you know. |
| 20:12.58 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, we're working on a proper community SSU, you can expect not to wait till it's fixed officially |
| 20:13.12 | MohammadAG | this time, it'll be proper |
| 20:13.24 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: what hw bits are you missing redistributability for? (let's not talk open source, that's another big discussion) |
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| 20:13.37 | PaulFertser | valdyn: it's not about freeing, it's just about sane requirements for distribution (and requesting IMEI is just stupid as it doesn't really work for the "intended" purpose). |
| 20:13.43 | djszapi | can I install cmake on the target device (not inside scratchbox) |
| 20:13.46 | djszapi | ? |
| 20:14.00 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: i'm not sure, achipa's telling me that nokia has to ask me for imei because of some restrictions. |
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| 20:14.16 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: hw bits we're actively trying to get redistributable, at least |
| 20:14.43 | achipa | Stskeeps: the point is, the firmware has components to which Nokia has only license to distribute linked to a particular device |
| 20:14.46 | PaulFertser | Stskeeps: thanks again for that :) |
| 20:15.02 | PaulFertser | achipa: but asking for imei doesn't link it anyhow. |
| 20:15.03 | Arkenoi | MohammadAG, will there be modest that starts directly in default inbox? ;-) |
| 20:15.04 | Stskeeps | PaulFertser: DSP codecs are on a liberal license too, it looks like |
| 20:15.16 | MohammadAG | Arkenoi, patches welcome :P |
| 20:15.20 | PaulFertser | achipa: it's just hipocrisy on the nokia's side. |
| 20:15.27 | PaulFertser | And that stinks! |
| 20:15.39 | achipa | PaulFertser: hipocrisy how ? |
| 20:15.42 | MohammadAG | SSU modest already has 2 community patches from two bug reports |
| 20:15.55 | ShadowJK | how do you determine default inbox |
| 20:16.10 | ShadowJK | or how would you set it |
| 20:16.14 | ShadowJK | is it a server thing? |
| 20:16.29 | PaulFertser | achipa: asking for imei doesn't work. It doesn't tie the firmware to the device. That's just a (silly) way to restrict downloading from the nokia's site. I can publish my IMEI and whoever will be able to download the image. |
| 20:16.33 | Arkenoi | ShadowJK, manual setting would be ok |
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| 20:17.19 | achipa | PaulFertser: the point is severability - then it's not Nokia's problem - they can say they provided user of device X, whatever he did later, who cares |
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| 20:18.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: IMEI works exactly as intended - think about it |
| 20:18.35 | PaulFertser | achipa: that's what i call hypocrisy. It's not about doing anything properly but about playing a silly game: "-- you know this component can't be freely distrubuted. -- Oh, why, of course, we won't allow that". That's all dirty games and lies, don't you see that? |
| 20:19.04 | achipa | PaulFertser: and what do you want ? That they not provide firmware images and require to go to flashing points ? |
| 20:19.17 | achipa | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:19.22 | PaulFertser | achipa: yes! |
| 20:19.26 | PaulFertser | achipa: that would be honest! |
| 20:19.51 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 20:19.51 | achipa | PaulFertser: ooookay... consult with other users before requesting this from Nokia Care... |
| 20:19.51 | nid0 | at the end of the day, "honesty" has to make way for usability. |
| 20:19.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | PaulFertser: when I played silly games with publishing black blobs on schematics, you were"mt that upset |
| 20:19.57 | GAN900 | Can we stop having this particular argument? |
| 20:20.30 | PaulFertser | achipa: ROTFL, Nokia Care never cares :) That's part of the hypocrisy (remember "newspeak", eh?). |
| 20:20.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | can we stop the whole discussion now please? |
| 20:20.36 | nid0 | the n900 is a product, and from a business point of view your argument that nokia should make life insanely difficult for users who buy it just to satisfy your personal distaste of a little bit of hipocrisy is nuts |
| 20:20.38 | PaulFertser | Sure, i'm stopping |
| 20:20.39 | achipa | ~stop |
| 20:20.39 | infobot | PLEASE STOP! |
| 20:21.26 | nid0 | anyway. im still amazed my device rebooted fine earlier with 0 rootfs space :\ |
| 20:22.47 | ioan | when I ssh in my n900, I'm root. How do I get to be user and not root? |
| 20:23.27 | tybollt | su $USER |
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| 20:23.46 | tybollt | remember to create this user first though :) |
| 20:23.51 | Noobmonk3y | burps bacon |
| 20:23.56 | MohammadAG | or ssh user@IP |
| 20:23.58 | kerio | BACON!1!1!1 |
| 20:24.02 | MohammadAG | change pass for user first |
| 20:24.15 | ioan | ok, I'll try |
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| 20:26.12 | ioan | ssh user@IP worked, thanks |
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| 20:27.34 | lcuk | runs over to Noobmonk3y and smells his bacony breath |
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| 20:27.49 | ZogG | lcuk, hey man |
| 20:28.14 | lcuk | isnt stopping, called for smokes - i am downstairs atm |
| 20:28.37 | ZogG | lcuk i wondered to ask somethin |
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| 20:29.12 | lcuk | after tv, couple of hours |
| 20:29.51 | ZogG | short one |
| 20:30.21 | lcuk | ask everyone here and if you still dont know after i return i will have a go |
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| 20:30.31 | ZogG | i wondered as you was hired by nokia there were almost no or no fmms updates, is it because of no time or nokia don't want you ? |
| 20:31.04 | lcuk | fmms was written by frals the great |
| 20:31.12 | lcuk | we just pushed him on |
| 20:31.40 | ZogG | oh damn |
| 20:31.50 | ZogG | lcuk, right, i'm little bit high =( |
| 20:32.00 | Noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 20:32.00 | ZogG | what you mean pushed him on? |
| 20:32.02 | ShadowJK | lcuk was hired by nokia? |
| 20:32.07 | Noobmonk3y | evening lcuk - hope you are well? :) |
| 20:32.09 | ZogG | no frals was |
| 20:32.12 | ShadowJK | oh |
| 20:32.23 | Noobmonk3y | ShadowJK: Lcuk is nokia, he owns them, its penny change to him ;) lol |
| 20:32.37 | Noobmonk3y | frals: is just his gimp kiddy ;) |
| 20:32.44 | Noobmonk3y | cuddles frals ;) |
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| 20:33.44 | ioan | the webos games don't have a quit, close, exit... how do you close them? just task manager and close? |
| 20:34.24 | Noobmonk3y | ctrl backspace? :P |
| 20:34.51 | ioan | yes, it's what I'm doing. I was thinking that maybe there is another way |
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| 20:35.49 | nid0 | press power button, end current task is another optiob |
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| 20:36.18 | ZogG | power button |
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| 20:38.26 | pigeon | i use shortcutd to assign the camera button to do what ctrl-backspace does, which is very useful in situation like that too |
| 20:38.27 | Noobmonk3y | grumbles |
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| 20:40.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | is still amazed by the flying little windows every time he pushed BSp while holding CTRL |
| 20:42.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders if that transition has been one of the 1000 easter eggs in maemo (here hildon) or if matan implemented that |
| 20:43.21 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer51, I think it was matan |
| 20:43.34 | DocScrutinizer51 | dude |
| 20:43.45 | MohammadAG | something like move_windows() |
| 20:43.46 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 20:44.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | smokes compiz in a pipe |
| 20:44.34 | MohammadAG | +void hd_task_navigator_rotate_thumbs(void) { |
| 20:44.46 | MohammadAG | in his patch ^ |
| 20:44.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~hail matan |
| 20:45.00 | infobot | ACTION bows down to matan and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" |
| 20:45.07 | MohammadAG | as well as +void hd_task_navigator_sort_thumbs(void) { |
| 20:50.15 | wmarone | man, fedora's such a fucking piece of garbage |
| 20:50.36 | MohammadAG | debian ftw! |
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| 20:50.51 | wmarone | oh no, can't update packages because for some reason the proxy config isn't actually being set! |
| 20:51.00 | wmarone | despite having set it |
| 20:51.08 | wmarone | in multiple places ;-; |
| 20:55.01 | achipa | Fresh from the oven - pr1.3 friendly tweakflashver now working and available for download |
| 20:56.11 | MohammadAG | puts in fridge :P |
| 20:56.30 | MohammadAG | hmm, opera doesn't have tearing in fullscreen mode, desktop composition? |
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| 20:57.26 | ioan | weird how well the webos games run on n900... why weren't this game available earlier from the companies that made the games? :-) |
| 20:57.40 | ioan | *those games |
| 20:57.50 | MohammadAG | it's not development difficulties, I assure you |
| 20:57.59 | MohammadAG | see the N8, it got tons of games today from gameloft |
| 20:58.00 | ioan | yeah |
| 20:58.17 | ioan | probably nokia said |
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| 20:58.31 | achipa | ioan: the pre was originally lower-clocked than the N900 |
| 20:58.32 | ioan | "forget n900, give us games for n8 |
| 20:58.34 | ioan | " |
| 20:59.36 | MohammadAG | it's not Nokia's decision |
| 20:59.40 | MohammadAG | it's the developers' |
| 20:59.52 | MohammadAG | the N900 has a fail DRM system |
| 20:59.59 | MohammadAG | why? cause it doesn't exist |
| 21:00.11 | ioan | well, looks like webos is just the same... but they got the games |
| 21:00.16 | achipa | that's not a fail, that's a win |
| 21:00.19 | achipa | :) |
| 21:00.25 | ioan | I agree achipa |
| 21:00.27 | MohammadAG | achipa, not for paid devs |
| 21:00.46 | MohammadAG | I don't give a crap really, games are for PCs/consoles :P |
| 21:00.54 | achipa | MohammadAG: it's so easy to jailbreak/root/sideload nowadays that it makes no difference |
| 21:00.58 | MohammadAG | I enjoy PSP games more than iPhone ones |
| 21:01.00 | ioan | for PCs! not consoles :-) |
| 21:01.11 | MohammadAG | consoles are full of win |
| 21:01.14 | MohammadAG | PCs are for FPSs |
| 21:01.24 | MohammadAG | play burnout on a PC, it's fail |
| 21:01.34 | achipa | MohammadAG: if it's painless enough to buy the app (which wasn't necessarily the case ;) DRM doesn't matter |
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| 21:02.05 | ioan | my son is playing fallout new vegs on his 360 and I'm playing on pc... there is no comparation between the two :-) |
| 21:02.51 | achipa | MohammadAG: consoles must pick up pace as in a generation or two phones will take over |
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| 21:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | ioan: pre is carrier supported, so possible 100 tmes the selling of N900 |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | though I heard n900 is supported by vodafone UK |
| 21:03.49 | ioan | DocScrutinizer, you right |
| 21:03.58 | DocScrutinizer | or has been temporraily |
| 21:04.11 | MohammadAG | achipa, gameplay on phones fails |
| 21:04.19 | ioan | is the vodafone 900 locked? |
| 21:04.24 | ioan | n900 |
| 21:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
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| 21:04.30 | DocScrutinizer | or, maybe yes |
| 21:04.33 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 21:04.59 | DocScrutinizer | I seem to recall simlocked or carrierlocked N900 ofers on ebaeh |
| 21:05.07 | achipa | MohammadAG: in what way is gameplay different on a phone than on a console ? Remember, we're talking about the era of WiDi, bluetooth controllers, etc |
| 21:05.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | I want man on my n900 :P |
| 21:05.42 | MohammadAG | install man-db-n900 |
| 21:05.52 | KaffeeJunky123 | Thx |
| 21:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | KaffeeJunky123: courtesy MohammadAG |
| 21:06.11 | MohammadAG | the post died, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=703347 :/ |
| 21:06.12 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 21:06.35 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: err wut? |
| 21:06.44 | DocScrutinizer | RIP post! |
| 21:06.56 | MohammadAG | install less though, I'm not sure if I fixed that yet :P |
| 21:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:07.30 | MohammadAG | Depends: groff-base, debconf (>= 1.2.0) | debconf-2.0, dpkg (>= 1.9.0), libc6 (>= 2.5.0-1), libgdbm3, zlib1g (>= 1.2.1), man-db-pages |
| 21:07.31 | MohammadAG | nope |
| 21:07.32 | DocScrutinizer | prolly everybody incl me testing it had already ;-P |
| 21:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: FAILWALE |
| 21:07.55 | DocScrutinizer | spanks MohammadAG |
| 21:08.11 | MohammadAG | calls fellow terrorists |
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| 21:08.16 | KaffeeJunky123 | Apt-get cant find man-db-n900 :( |
| 21:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | btw why less? shouldn't any $PAGER do? |
| 21:08.21 | MohammadAG | -devel |
| 21:08.35 | MohammadAG | sure, I suppose |
| 21:08.50 | KaffeeJunky123 | I'm at my phone btw :) |
| 21:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:08.58 | MohammadAG | invades bermuda triangle |
| 21:09.16 | MohammadAG | finds PR1.3.3.7 |
| 21:09.27 | DocScrutinizer | ROTFL |
| 21:09.38 | MohammadAG | so that's why people never come out... |
| 21:09.45 | V-ille | man-db-n900 gives a lot of warnings about dangling symlinks |
| 21:09.49 | V-ille | is that problematic? |
| 21:09.52 | MohammadAG | no, ignore them |
| 21:09.55 | DocScrutinizer | MUUUUUUHaha |
| 21:09.58 | MohammadAG | spanks ubuntu for having them |
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| 21:10.50 | MohammadAG | suppose I have -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 255 2010-01-20 17:38 FcConfigCreate.3.gz |
| 21:10.59 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for your convenience |
| 21:11.01 | MohammadAG | how do I only get FcConfigCreate.3.gz output? |
| 21:11.09 | MohammadAG | regexes, need to learn those |
| 21:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | regex? |
| 21:11.49 | MohammadAG | nvm, dump the idea |
| 21:12.01 | MohammadAG | remembers when he 'ported' man-db |
| 21:12.03 | javispedro | hey, I teach regexes in real life |
| 21:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | easy - [^ ]$ |
| 21:12.15 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 21:12.19 | DocScrutinizer | easy - [^ ]*$ |
| 21:12.20 | MohammadAG | javispedro, was a bit of a pessimist back then :P |
| 21:12.50 | javispedro | gitorious gave me a "guru meditation" isitdownforeveryoneorisjustme? |
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| 21:13.02 | KaffeeJunky123 | Is there anything similar to apt-file on maemo? |
| 21:13.16 | lbt | zero-width-lookahead-assertions 4ever |
| 21:13.17 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it's just everyone |
| 21:13.28 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:13.31 | DocScrutinizer | downforeverybodyorjustme.com |
| 21:13.40 | MohammadAG | ~isitdown |
| 21:13.40 | infobot | [isitdown] http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ |
| 21:13.52 | MohammadAG | :P |
| 21:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 21:13.59 | javispedro | I doubt it can parse "guru meditations" |
| 21:14.04 | javispedro | but.... *checks it * it does |
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| 21:14.11 | MohammadAG | javispedro, it's down for me |
| 21:14.11 | javispedro | i guess it's sending 503 as http error code or sth |
| 21:14.14 | V-ille | so cool to have groff on the device |
| 21:14.17 | MohammadAG | wanted some meego stuff :/ |
| 21:14.24 | DocScrutinizer | damn, no stinking fart knows what it means nowadays |
| 21:14.28 | V-ille | oh, gpic too |
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| 21:14.52 | lbt | DocScrutinizer: what? the guru? |
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| 21:15.11 | DocScrutinizer | GURU MEDIATION ERROR 0XFF26D418 |
| 21:15.43 | lbt | Agnus is ill :) |
| 21:15.48 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 21:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | denise hand over some glass of water |
| 21:16.14 | lbt | married denise |
| 21:16.28 | lbt | and she has copper hair ;) |
| 21:16.54 | DocScrutinizer | and her shirt id full of blitter |
| 21:17.03 | jacktheripper | javispedro, hey, I noticed you maintain preenv. I saw this screenshot on the forum showing The Sims 3 with messed up orientation and resolution. If it's fixed now, is it possible for 'Galcon' to be fixed the same way ? It runs in landscape while the controls are in portrait. |
| 21:17.10 | lbt | oh yea |
| 21:18.11 | javispedro | jacktheripper: two things. if it's portrait, check if you are running 0.1.1 or latter. if it still does not work, try to guess wheter it is a plain SDL, GLES1 or GLES2 application (look which libraries it links with) |
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| 21:18.49 | jacktheripper | javispedro, it's SDL, and I'm running 0.1.1. |
| 21:19.03 | javispedro | jacktheripper: SDL-only is known not to work |
| 21:19.45 | DocScrutinizer | still remembers the 4 layers of piggybacked RAM, was fun to solder |
| 21:19.58 | jacktheripper | javispedro, actually, the logs show SDL_GLES. I haven't noticed that before, sorry. |
| 21:20.00 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, hey I get a solid yellow screen when I try boot, any idea what that means? |
| 21:20.02 | javispedro | /quit #amiga |
| 21:20.04 | ShadowJK | And it's not the yellow guru meditation |
| 21:20.06 | DocScrutinizer | only in 2nd build A1000 |
| 21:20.16 | javispedro | ;P |
| 21:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:20.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: ouch |
| 21:20.43 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: means you're screwed? |
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| 21:20.59 | ShadowJK | :-( |
| 21:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: Hook up TV! |
| 21:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | immediately |
| 21:21.17 | ShadowJK | wha |
| 21:21.20 | javispedro | jacktheripper: search for "major version" in the log |
| 21:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | FPC borked? |
| 21:21.45 | ShadowJK | dude I'm talking about my Amiga 500 |
| 21:21.51 | DocScrutinizer | oooh |
| 21:21.55 | DocScrutinizer | man! |
| 21:22.03 | jacktheripper | javispedro, 'Requested GL major version 1' |
| 21:22.09 | DrWilken | could someone with std PR1.3 do this for me: md5sum /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so |
| 21:22.27 | merlin1991 | gimme sec DrWilken |
| 21:22.45 | javispedro | jacktheripper: so it is a OpenGL ES 1 game but the rotation hack is failing. No chances I fix it unless I decide to buy the game. |
| 21:23.27 | javispedro | (or I develop a much slower, lower quality, less hacky way to rotate...) |
| 21:23.49 | ShadowJK | (RIP) |
| 21:23.58 | merlin1991 | DrWilken, 180e59a335686fa6730b9299d62f724f |
| 21:24.01 | DrWilken | thx merlin1991 |
| 21:24.12 | jacktheripper | javispedro, I could mess with it a little if you tell me about the rotation hack story :) |
| 21:24.37 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: wait, you're getting an all yellow screen on TV out Amiga500? |
| 21:24.43 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 21:24.48 | DocScrutinizer | :-S |
| 21:24.53 | DrWilken | can't verify it on adobe's test site for some reason |
| 21:25.07 | javispedro | jacktheripper: it is a carefully constructed set of lies about size of screen. the hack part comes from the redefinition of the GL identity projection matrix. |
| 21:25.19 | DocScrutinizer | agnus/debise boked? |
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| 21:25.32 | DocScrutinizer | agnus/denise borked? |
| 21:26.03 | DocScrutinizer | or general bus fault - check extension cards etc |
| 21:26.40 | DocScrutinizer | sorry this is like decades back - not quite a fresh memory |
| 21:27.05 | jacktheripper | javispedro, Ah. The game looks like it plays in portrait because it's pretty stretched. Are you CWing all GLES apps ? |
| 21:27.54 | javispedro | jacktheripper: all GLES1 _scenes_. maybe that scene is not generated with OpenGL but directly blitted to screen. |
| 21:28.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 21:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | this starts to be fun here |
| 21:28.52 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: #maemo, the channel where you can both talk about #amiga and #webos =) |
| 21:28.55 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah I think google said it was agnus fault :/ |
| 21:29.24 | ShadowJK | hm. This $5-ish eastmaze external BL-5J has ominous bright purple glow |
| 21:29.33 | ShadowJK | wonders if it's supposed to turn not-purple after charging done |
| 21:29.49 | teilzeitstudent | does anyone happen to know the name of the program that allows you to have more than 4 desktop screens? |
| 21:29.58 | DocScrutinizer | nah, it's supposed to coremelt after charge finished |
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| 21:30.17 | javispedro | i'd start calling the fire brigade |
| 21:30.26 | steinex | maybe i'm just to dumb but since that seems to be still not fixed: how can i save a preset-presence in the im-client WITH a status message? whats the point in adding a preset with a football just to tell that please dnd? |
| 21:30.28 | ShadowJK | maybe I should put it in my lipo safe sack |
| 21:30.42 | steinex | thats totally braindead |
| 21:32.03 | DocScrutinizer | in TPE at OM somebody showed me a "charger" that's been so flimsy and thin I'd be surprised if there's been much more in it than a capacitor and diode from the mains contacts to the long battery springs |
| 21:32.11 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 21:32.31 | ShadowJK | Well some of them are built using the protection circuits |
| 21:33.25 | steinex | am i really the only one who isn't bothered by that? |
| 21:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | anyway I was honestly scared to touch the thing, even far away from any mains outlet |
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| 21:34.35 | jacktheripper | javispedro, could you where the rotation code is in the preenv source ? |
| 21:34.56 | jacktheripper | s/could you/could you tell me/ |
| 21:35.18 | javispedro | jacktheripper: sdlgl.c, many functions. |
| 21:35.25 | jacktheripper | ok |
| 21:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you HAX0R! |
| 21:37.00 | javispedro | that will bit me sooner or later, but at least it's true it was done in an afternoon =) |
| 21:37.44 | DocScrutinizer | aiui it already bitten you right in the PM |
| 21:38.55 | javispedro | shouting at users seems to work, as the latest PM actually contained a gdb backtrace... unfortunately, without debug symbols... |
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| 21:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | gnhnhnhn |
| 21:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~debian $USER |
| 21:39.21 | infobot | ACTION tells $USER to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 21:39.57 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:40.03 | sivang | amazing, you are all still here :) |
| 21:40.07 | javispedro | those Debianites know how to party |
| 21:40.09 | DocScrutinizer | ""please send coredumps!"" |
| 21:40.15 | sivang | javispedro: hehehe |
| 21:40.23 | sivang | javispedro: who are those debianites? |
| 21:41.05 | javispedro | Debian-ites (I guess I used the wrong gentilice) |
| 21:41.29 | sivang | javispedro: you mean debian developers? :) |
| 21:41.33 | javispedro | yep |
| 21:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | kicks infobot into the guts |
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| 21:41.59 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict gentilice |
| 21:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 21:42.10 | javispedro | hmm.. |
| 21:42.14 | javispedro | ~dict gentilic |
| 21:42.20 | javispedro | ~dict demonym |
| 21:42.29 | javispedro | kicks infobot into the guts |
| 21:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~dict cow |
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| 21:42.56 | DocScrutinizer | at least no more "alarm at 52, foobar() botked couldn't talk" |
| 21:43.34 | javispedro | ~evilbot |
| 21:43.41 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-26 06:37:15] <DocScrutinizer> ~dict beer |
| 21:43.43 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-26 06:37:26] <infobot> i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. |
| 21:43.57 | DrWilken | I've got an empty list of plugins in MicroB (Options > Add-Ons). Any ideas? |
| 21:44.13 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
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| 21:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | ping the only expert on this planet: timeless |
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| 21:45.59 | DrWilken | I've tried re-installing osso-browser and plugins too. |
| 21:47.21 | javispedro | try typing "about:plugins" in URL |
| 21:48.05 | DrWilken | same :/ no plugins installed |
| 21:48.18 | javispedro | if nothing's listed there I can only think of installing syslog, and checking what does it say when running browser |
| 21:49.14 | DrWilken | ok, i'll give it a go. just thought I could make it re-read/reset it's config somehow. |
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| 21:50.44 | sivang | wonders what people are still doing here. |
| 21:51.03 | javispedro | where do you want us to go? |
| 21:52.21 | dolppp | installed latest linux version of nokia qt sdk and madde doesnt seem to have pr13 target in it.. windows version had it there |
| 21:52.40 | nox- | moin |
| 21:54.07 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: why? you're also here, what are *you* doing? :-D |
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| 21:54.23 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I'm totally lifleless and a Nokia fanboy :-P |
| 21:54.26 | DrWilken | GLIB CRITICAL ** Gtk - gtk_widget_set_sensitive: assertion `GTK_IS_WIDGET (widget)' failed |
| 21:54.35 | javispedro | ignore. |
| 21:54.52 | DocScrutinizer | I hate that one |
| 21:55.18 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: A girl 32 years old, (I'm 32 as) hid the fact she has a 11 year old girl. She insisted for us to meet last night, |
| 21:55.36 | DrWilken | SET_ACTIVE:0x61028, 0->1, is_layout_active:0, ChangeSusp:TRUE |
| 21:55.50 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: so I went , met her, and today she texted me "from my side this is not *it*" :) |
| 21:55.55 | DrWilken | the rest looks ok |
| 21:56.31 | sivang | javispedro: don't go anywhere, your Debianties partying comment rolled me on the floor |
| 21:56.57 | javispedro | heh |
| 21:57.44 | sivang | javispedro: I used to once know some that could party by drinking and playing 'Mao' card games all night long |
| 21:57.54 | sivang | back then, in 2004 |
| 21:58.01 | sivang | I was young and handsome :-p |
| 21:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: (rolled on floor) what till we start talking funny |
| 21:58.54 | DrWilken | any ideas? besides contacting timeless? :) |
| 21:59.11 | javispedro | virgin sacrifice? |
| 21:59.14 | sivang | HAHA |
| 21:59.49 | sivang | javispedro, DocScrutinizer : if I cross post to meego/maemo will you kindly respond to my email? I want to start getting "data" for my talk and what happened today with docs is relevant |
| 21:59.58 | DocScrutinizer | DrWilken: I recall there's been such problem on some PR1.0.1 which turned out to be stale symlinks or sth |
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| 22:00.18 | javispedro | DrWilken: to me sounds like you should check if all your plugins' library dependencies are satisfied |
| 22:00.31 | javispedro | but at this point I'm completely biased about Libraries, Libraries, Libraries. |
| 22:00.39 | sivang | (any others are ofcourse wlecome, there's a sense that Maemo people won't really flow to join MeeGo so fast and I think this can be helped if we communicate what we need structurly) |
| 22:00.42 | DrWilken | thx for the suggestions :) |
| 22:00.44 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: I'm awfully lazy at mail |
| 22:00.48 | kerio | libraries libraries libraries |
| 22:00.48 | javispedro | sivang: depend on what you ask =) |
| 22:01.38 | sivang | javispedro: I am going to ask you, actually, to take out all your anger, sarcasm and discontent with how the project went and with the bad stuff that currently prvent maemoer for happily joining meego to be tossed at my drection :) |
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| 22:02.15 | sivang | so I can , after recovering from the wounds collect it and prepare it to be some basis for a talk of what needs to be done to not repeat mistakes. |
| 22:02.32 | DocScrutinizer | DrWilken: anyway iirc back when not even reinstalling microb helped |
| 22:02.53 | sivang | http://conference2010.meego.com/session/creating-first-choice-open-source-mobile-platform-learning-mistakes-past-and-beyond |
| 22:02.55 | GAN900 | sivang, good plan. |
| 22:02.58 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: developers developers developers developers developers |
| 22:03.03 | sivang | hahaha |
| 22:03.07 | sivang | exactly |
| 22:03.17 | sivang | we can change this according to the day's thee |
| 22:03.18 | sivang | theme |
| 22:03.19 | GAN900 | sivang, somebody should clearly point JAFFA in your direction. |
| 22:03.35 | sivang | that's andrew flagg right? |
| 22:03.39 | GAN900 | I think it's too late, though |
| 22:03.39 | sivang | he just vainshed someday |
| 22:03.40 | GAN900 | Yeah |
| 22:03.46 | DrWilken | thx for the info DocS. I'll dig deeper... :) |
| 22:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | throws a http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE at kerio |
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| 22:04.51 | sivang | I ofcourse have already my take, and some observations and am going to ask that input as well during the talk (that's one of its purposes) but would be ncie to have some more thought from Maemo people , who shoud have been the basis for MeeGO |
| 22:04.56 | sivang | *MeeGo |
| 22:04.56 | javispedro | GAN900: Jaffa vanished? :S |
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| 22:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen jaffa |
| 22:05.56 | infobot | jaffa is currently on #maemo (2d 4h 48m 19s) #meego (2d 4h 48m 19s), last said: 'MohammadAG: Any chance of a fremantle-1.3.1 with the Modest patches?'. |
| 22:05.56 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: is he sweating there? :) |
| 22:05.57 | DocScrutinizer | she's thinking |
| 22:06.56 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: btw, love the first comment: "Deodorant Deodorant Deodorant!" |
| 22:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
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| 22:07.46 | sivang | I don't want to email him directly, feels like spamming, so I'll fire off the thread to meego and maemo and try to draw his attention to t |
| 22:07.48 | ShadowJK | sivang, so what do you think about the subject? |
| 22:07.54 | GAN900 | javispedro, he makes me do mwkn every Sunday. :( |
| 22:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | being with microsoft must be darn grueling |
| 22:08.30 | GAN900 | sivang, council@maemo.org |
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| 22:08.34 | javispedro | GAN900: he was quite busy lately, I found |
| 22:08.41 | javispedro | hides |
| 22:08.47 | sivang | GAN900: ok, thanks will do. |
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| 22:09.41 | GAN900 | highfives javispedro. |
| 22:09.48 | GAN900 | Guess what we don't have to do? |
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| 22:10.14 | sivang | ShadowJK: well, there's lots of things as observations, but for me as being still mostly on the user there's unfortunate UI decisions, lack of proper official documentation, development offering disconnected from real world (as I learned from thp and his experience on cross development) etc |
| 22:10.43 | javispedro | GAN900: :P |
| 22:10.46 | sivang | ShadowJK: for most of te things I do not know the root reason or cause, as I havenot been enough with the Mameo community as a developer, but as a user... |
| 22:11.04 | javispedro | sivang: "disconnection with the real world" is nearly a Nokia core rule =) |
| 22:11.09 | redoubtable | ~pr1.3 |
| 22:11.09 | infobot | pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 |
| 22:11.36 | sivang | ShadowJK: tagging severe usability bugs as wontfix (as I found trough my poor experience with th eupgrade) and more |
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| 22:11.45 | DocScrutinizer | trolls! :-P |
| 22:11.49 | sivang | hehe |
| 22:12.18 | mikhas | "connecting people/disconnecting universe" |
| 22:12.24 | ShadowJK | sivang, as mostly a user, and 30 minutes developer per week, I'm maemo because it's actually usable for me right now. Moving to MeeGo just means I have to find new ways to work around these "unfortunate decisions" of varying kind, and also just working around differencies. |
| 22:12.33 | mikhas | I dont think that will fly as the new company slogan |
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| 22:12.39 | ShadowJK | btw speaking of thp, I wonder if there'll be a gpodder in MeeGo seeing as there'll be no gtk? |
| 22:12.44 | ShadowJK | gpodder is one of my favourite apps :-( |
| 22:13.14 | sivang | ShadowJK: He's waiting for PySide to support MTF |
| 22:13.17 | sivang | ShadowJK: properly |
| 22:13.25 | sivang | ShadowJK: he already did a prototype in C++ |
| 22:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | mikhas: heh, yesterday DrHouse reunited 2 brothers by playing their common enemy. Seems Nokia aims at the same for "people" |
| 22:13.37 | javispedro | sivang: I guess the interface guidelines where written on stone tablets (like God's Ten Commandments), because they have not been changed since the first release on Forum Nokia. |
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| 22:13.41 | ShadowJK | sivang, so it's a full rewrite more or less |
| 22:14.01 | javispedro | sivang: so, they follow those "guidelines" to the letter, never change them => usability failures are marked as WONTFIX |
| 22:14.04 | trumee | tweak flash working great now |
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| 22:15.02 | mikhas | PySide support for MTF? ambitious ;-) |
| 22:15.11 | sivang | ShadowJK: check his blog, he has a welath of info there, he also was kind to link it from my meego/symbian cross devel page on meego wiki |
| 22:15.24 | ShadowJK | also has no clue how to install obs.. actually I have no clue how to install sb either.. i just used the vm |
| 22:16.03 | ShadowJK | yeah I wish firefox would come back to life in less than 5 minutes |
| 22:16.05 | ShadowJK | I need more ram |
| 22:16.10 | ShadowJK | apparently 8g isn't enough anymore :/ |
| 22:16.35 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: sounds somewhat familiar to ex OM employees :-/ |
| 22:16.57 | javispedro | sivang: I am soooooo going to your talk |
| 22:17.47 | sivang | javispedro: please DO come, I will wear an armed vest |
| 22:17.49 | sivang | :) |
| 22:17.51 | GAN900 | We're all bringing popcorn. |
| 22:17.55 | sivang | ShadowJK: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/282447/ |
| 22:18.03 | sivang | GAN900: please be gentle with the tomatos okay? |
| 22:18.16 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: It's maxed out at managing mmu tables :-P |
| 22:18.34 | javispedro | Enable 4MiB pages! |
| 22:18.56 | ShadowJK | that'll just make swapping worse I bet |
| 22:18.58 | javispedro | needs to hear that Developers,Developers,Developers rap again |
| 22:19.23 | sivang | javispedro: I will ask timeless to do it for you on our talk :) |
| 22:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: SWAPPINESS?? on (GiB RAM?? |
| 22:19.36 | DocScrutinizer | 8 even |
| 22:19.54 | javispedro | sivang: hehe |
| 22:19.56 | ShadowJK | YES |
| 22:20.20 | DocScrutinizer | what the hell are you running on that iron? |
| 22:20.41 | javispedro | 21st century pr0n? |
| 22:20.47 | sivang | heh |
| 22:20.48 | DocScrutinizer | bubblesort on phonebook of mexico city? |
| 22:20.54 | sivang | javispedro: alien women included? |
| 22:21.13 | javispedro | :P |
| 22:21.51 | ShadowJK | no a bubblesort is actually very cache friendly |
| 22:21.56 | ShadowJK | ;) |
| 22:22.02 | ShadowJK | it's streaming |
| 22:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | and what in streaming needs >8GB ram? |
| 22:23.08 | ShadowJK | exactly |
| 22:23.08 | DocScrutinizer | so you needed some swap |
| 22:24.06 | DocScrutinizer | is your streaming server caching the whole DVD, or what? |
| 22:24.35 | DocScrutinizer | even reading ahead the next one? |
| 22:24.48 | crashanddie | no, they wanted ultimate quality |
| 22:24.49 | ShadowJK | I meant bubblesort is like streaming |
| 22:25.09 | crashanddie | so they re-encoded their DVD's as H264 1080p |
| 22:25.17 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:25.23 | javispedro | crashanddie: in 3D! at 25fps! |
| 22:25.32 | crashanddie | javispedro: ON ICE! |
| 22:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | still no need for 8GB plus swap on top |
| 22:25.54 | javispedro | maybe it's a 8GiB per second stream |
| 22:26.05 | DocScrutinizer | shudders |
| 22:26.14 | javispedro | 21st century pr0n! |
| 22:26.19 | DocScrutinizer | omfg |
| 22:26.28 | DocScrutinizer | holographic pr0n |
| 22:26.59 | sivang | ohh holographic |
| 22:27.04 | sivang | add touch support |
| 22:27.56 | javispedro | 5 tracks is too much, too many collisions :S |
| 22:28.04 | javispedro | (on meego conf) |
| 22:28.38 | javispedro | goes find the old human-replicator he used to attend his colliding uni lectures |
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| 22:28.48 | sivang | javispedro: yes, somewhat problematic, too many intresting things to miss |
| 22:29.17 | sivang | javispedro: for colliding uni lectures there are video lectures no? we had them, they used to be better than the live lectures |
| 22:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: you forgot? you sold it to raster |
| 22:29.48 | javispedro | well, I hope that the Linux foundation does a better job recording all session than "previous events" |
| 22:30.42 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: is he using it for evil-doing? Then he can keep it. |
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| 22:31.53 | DocScrutinizer | I've seen raster chatting with himself, on 3 concurrent irc channels ;-D |
| 22:32.04 | javispedro | ~tell infobot about raster |
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| 22:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | I wonder which sorta segfault this induces |
| 22:32.35 | crashanddie | ~tell infobot about tell infobot |
| 22:32.50 | Arkanaic | hi folks |
| 22:33.01 | crashanddie | <infobot> Isn't that a bit silly? |
| 22:33.04 | crashanddie | :) |
| 22:33.04 | DocScrutinizer | can I get a coredump of the coredump, please? |
| 22:33.40 | javispedro | hi |
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| 22:33.51 | crashanddie | hey Arkanaic |
| 22:34.22 | DocScrutinizer | YAAaaWn..naic |
| 22:34.27 | dolppp | hehee.. nokia qt sdk updater thing freezed and now i cant even kill the process from task manager. loving it! |
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| 22:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | ummm... task manager? |
| 22:36.12 | DocScrutinizer | wtf is that? |
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| 22:36.21 | Arkanaic | ps ax ;) |
| 22:36.22 | dolppp | you know windows task manager :D |
| 22:36.29 | dolppp | :D |
| 22:36.31 | javispedro | ~tell DocScrutinizer about bill gates |
| 22:36.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually no |
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| 22:37.29 | sivang | that man is poss-essed |
| 22:37.31 | sivang | seriously |
| 22:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | uuh that DOS gfx extention |
| 22:38.03 | sivang | dolppp: I would recommend opening a bug about that, |
| 22:38.13 | sivang | dolppp: for me, this is the same like network download- it almost never worked |
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| 22:38.40 | javispedro | "Russia to create Windows rival" --- http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20101027/tc_afp/russiagovernmentinternet |
| 22:38.55 | DocScrutinizer | YEAHHHH! \o/ |
| 22:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | yet another DOS gfx extension |
| 22:39.12 | javispedro | "We will become independent of Windows ... but it risks becoming an unthinking implantation of Linux," he added. |
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| 22:39.25 | javispedro | checks if this is the onion news network... |
| 22:39.26 | sivang | dolppp: and there's a very rude bug in progress indication, when it starts to download the maemo cross tool chain roots, it reports it is only one precent change at the start and then you wait for ever like a dumb for it to move forward, which it will only after finishing a very large download |
| 22:39.51 | DrWilken | FYI - rm -rf ~/.mozilla/microb did the trick - all plugins available now |
| 22:40.32 | DrWilken | it's autogenerated when starting microb |
| 22:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 22:40.44 | DrWilken | :) |
| 22:40.51 | DocScrutinizer | now that you tell me, I seem to remember |
| 22:41.10 | ShadowJK | wonders how you buy something from someone's amazon wishlist so that it gets shipped to them |
| 22:41.12 | chem|st | where is the account config stored again? gconf? |
| 22:41.21 | DrWilken | well I did it once or twice before and I didn't even remember :) |
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| 22:42.14 | DrWilken | chem|st - same place :) |
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| 22:42.24 | sivang | dolppp: I wanted to report that, but the qt bug tracker mademe surrender after a while |
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| 22:42.40 | DrWilken | afair |
| 22:42.48 | DDRFAN | Hey Mohammad, are you there? |
| 22:42.54 | chem|st | DrWilken: gconf? |
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| 22:43.26 | chem|st | DrWilken: seems I am blind again.. |
| 22:43.47 | DrWilken | nope. ~/.mozilla/microb/key3.db maybe? |
| 22:44.11 | DrWilken | or signons.sqlite? :) |
| 22:44.28 | chem|st | DrWilken: what are you are about? |
| 22:44.51 | chem|st | maemo "Accounts" wont be stored in .mozilla! |
| 22:45.07 | DrWilken | haha... :) |
| 22:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | what type of account? |
| 22:45.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: "Accounts" like skype jabber etc |
| 22:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 22:45.51 | DrWilken | gotta sleep... c ya'll |
| 22:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | I got NFC but take any bet skype != jabber |
| 22:46.06 | chem|st | is wondering if there is another "Accounts" in maemo... |
| 22:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | user accounts |
| 22:46.35 | DocScrutinizer | SIP accounts |
| 22:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | telepathy accounts |
| 22:46.53 | fcrochik | Chewtoy: are you looking for the telepathy accounts? they are stored a sqllite db |
| 22:46.59 | DocScrutinizer | webbased HTML foo "accounts" |
| 22:47.14 | fcrochik | chem|st: are you looking for the telepathy accounts? they are stored a sqllite db |
| 22:47.20 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: yes... serious question is there another "Accounts"? |
| 22:47.58 | sivang | javispedro: btw, the advisory board for ui guidelines has recently been re-elected |
| 22:48.02 | chem|st | fcrochik: I did edit a textfile with the login details in pr1.2 and forgot about it! dont want to grep the whole thing |
| 22:48.14 | Chewtoy | Eh... I assume that was a wrong highlightning. |
| 22:48.23 | fcrochik | Chewtoy: yes...sorry! |
| 22:48.26 | DocScrutinizer | what do you want to hear? result from "strings /* | grep Accounts"? |
| 22:48.48 | Chewtoy | fcrochik: Yeah. No problems. Just a tad surprised. :P |
| 22:49.26 | sivang | javispedro: I got the note since FNC program sent a request to champions to see who wants to participates, but they had enough voulenteers. I wonder how we can commmunicate with them once they have finsihed to offer input on the new guidelines. |
| 22:49.33 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: oh I am sorry I have there a semicolon missing in my code.... |
| 22:49.44 | sivang | javispedro: err, actually to be more precies, this was for an advisory board for a quick gude to guidelines |
| 22:49.50 | DDRFAN | Has anybody installed Mohammad's hildon desktop( The one merged with Matan's, His and thp's? )? |
| 22:49.57 | sivang | javispedro: such that you would be able to employ without having to read 400 pages books |
| 22:49.59 | DDRFAN | on PR 1.3* |
| 22:50.11 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: sorry you completely lost me |
| 22:50.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: I look for the config for the Accounts as not in user accounts but the details like server and so on |
| 22:50.25 | DocScrutinizer | not that you ever got me |
| 22:50.30 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: hehe |
| 22:51.05 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: for which service? |
| 22:51.08 | fcrochik | chem|st: O can't remember where I found them... you can find all the "contacts" for them under /home/user/.osso-abook/db/tp-cache... |
| 22:51.33 | chem|st | fcrochik: DocScrutinizer .rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg |
| 22:51.37 | chem|st | got it |
| 22:52.00 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's just one credentials storage |
| 22:52.19 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: thought it was all in one sorry |
| 22:52.20 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: this is one of the most scary things I found about maemo - how all the passwords are in one place for anybody to grab |
| 22:52.49 | chem|st | fcrochik: in plain text... |
| 22:53.03 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: do you think *a bot* had more problems gathering them from scattered files? |
| 22:53.13 | chem|st | ok mschap needs to be plain text |
| 22:53.35 | DocScrutinizer | chem|st: do you think *a bot* had more difficulties to decode them than you would |
| 22:53.56 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: don't think so but here it is a 30chars line in a shell... |
| 22:53.57 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: not really.... but if each telepathy account had it's own place would require a little more work... 5 minutes more |
| 22:54.35 | DocScrutinizer | 5ms more, cpu time of the virus |
| 22:54.42 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: if they arent guessable passwords are quiet strong if stored correctly |
| 22:54.45 | DocScrutinizer | 5 min more for the legit user |
| 22:55.08 | sivang | DDRFAN: what has this merged hildon-desktop fixed? |
| 22:55.11 | DocScrutinizer | nonsense |
| 22:55.13 | javispedro | hah, some spaniard complaining that nokia care told him the microusb port issue means "out of warranty" |
| 22:55.50 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I got your point... doesn't mean that I have to like all my passwords up for grabs.... |
| 22:56.02 | chem|st | DocScrutinizer: 5min? wget <script> && /bin/sh <script> |
| 22:56.33 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: if I want your passwords and compromised your machine, I do a raw copy and recover passwords later on |
| 22:56.52 | DDRFAN | It's not a fix, its just a modified Hildon desktop. It makes it so you enable 9 desktops, and use 1,2,3,4 to acess the app (in that order). It also lets you use arrows keys to change desktop screens |
| 22:57.05 | DDRFAN | you can* |
| 22:57.23 | sivang | DDRFAN: ah nice, and it is not working on 1.3? |
| 22:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | takes me less time than you need to edit your password on a known obfuscated location and coded rot13 |
| 22:57.48 | sivang | haven't upgraded yet since he fears bad things will happen |
| 22:58.10 | chem|st | I remember a guy with PGPed emails and a password for the private.key, police had everything private.key, emails but no password, on this example it was shown that it takes years if the password is not guessable |
| 22:58.11 | DDRFAN | Well I couldn't get it to install prior to PR 1.3 anyways. I just stuck with Matan's version without the faster kinetic scrolling and the three collumn task manager |
| 22:58.15 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: but you are really mean and really smart...what about all the other people? because any security measure can fail does not mean we don't need any security |
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| 22:59.07 | chem|st | fcrochik: yes security is as strong as the hacker in front of it |
| 22:59.13 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: security by obscurity never worked and always caused people getting annoyed and circumventing even this small bit of security |
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| 22:59.45 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: does it mean that you just give away on your web site your credit card number, email passwords? |
| 23:00.05 | DocScrutinizer | e.g it's stongly DEPRECATED to force users to frequently change their passwords as they tend to write them down becuase of frequent changes |
| 23:00.28 | chem|st | my ram is the only weakness in my desktop's crypt |
| 23:00.31 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: my ~ isn't my website |
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| 23:00.57 | JDDRFAN | Sorry, randomly got kicked. |
| 23:01.00 | chem|st | till some freaking hacker finds a way against all other measures |
| 23:01.10 | KaffeeJunky123 | is there anyway to get man on pr1.3 xD? |
| 23:01.11 | JDDRFAN | The link is here : http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/thp/ |
| 23:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: if you're concerned about your privacy, then create a decent user logon instead of rot13 encoding your password for your bank account |
| 23:01.22 | sivang | fcrochik: just use strongly protected keys |
| 23:01.33 | sivang | fcrochik: all my machines have challange response disabled |
| 23:01.36 | KaffeeJunky123 | do I have to add some repository that's hidden somewhere in the wiki? |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: au secours |
| 23:02.06 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: for what? |
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| 23:02.25 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: wut? |
| 23:02.29 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: ah man ... are you crazy? |
| 23:02.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: man in general |
| 23:02.31 | sivang | JDDRFAN: I did not know this sort of things required 1.3 , interesting |
| 23:02.42 | DocScrutinizer | there are 4: extras, extras-testing, extras-devel, tools |
| 23:02.49 | chem|st | well some manpages could be usefull |
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| 23:02.56 | KaffeeJunky123 | chem|st: and I'd also like aptitude, apt-get rages me ^^ |
| 23:03.03 | JDDRFAN | It didn't. It was made in PR 1.2, but Mohammad updated to work on PR 1.3 |
| 23:03.06 | sivang | tools? |
| 23:03.07 | sivang | what's there? |
| 23:03.12 | KaffeeJunky123 | I guess man |
| 23:03.18 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: poeple try to convince me it's wise to scatter password storing files all ver the place so they aren't so easy to find |
| 23:03.25 | sivang | JDDRFAN: well, better email himor something, he must've gotten to sleep by now |
| 23:03.41 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: these days a email and password can open many doors. ... most web sites (maybe except the banks) will allow you to reset the password to their web sites if you have access to the e-mail account. |
| 23:03.43 | crashanddie | "password storing files"? |
| 23:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: even rot13 the content so it's not so easy to read |
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| 23:03.49 | chem|st | KaffeeJunky123: the apt is not the apt you have on a desktop so are some of the programs and they are just lazy not doing manpages |
| 23:03.54 | DocScrutinizer | like account files |
| 23:04.00 | JDDRFAN | I don't want to bug him =P I don't mind waiting to bump into him here |
| 23:04.16 | sivang | sure :) |
| 23:04.27 | JDDRFAN | Thanks tho! Sigh, I feel like such a newbie ): |
| 23:04.32 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: e.g SIP credentials |
| 23:04.41 | sivang | JDDRFAN: Don't , we are all newbs |
| 23:05.00 | crashanddie | fcrochik: except that the email-to-retrieve-password scheme has been broken for ages |
| 23:05.12 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: it may not make any difference but I would feel a little better if all the passwords were stored encripted using my PIN ... |
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| 23:05.32 | crashanddie | fcrochik: it was something that first appeared in the enterprise world, where some level of trust was assumed with regards to the email account, it doesn't, and should never have applied to the real world |
| 23:05.34 | DocScrutinizer | that'd make a bit of a difference, yes |
| 23:05.34 | sivang | SIP can be TLS'd these days |
| 23:05.39 | fcrochik | crashanddie: doesn't mean that they are not all around us and will be for a long time to come |
| 23:05.40 | sivang | at least freeswitch allwos it |
| 23:06.04 | crashanddie | sivang: yeah, SIPS is quite common these days, futile, but common |
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| 23:06.57 | crashanddie | sivang: SIPS only protects you up to your gateway/server. Most servers _do not_ use SIPS to communicate with other servers, so even though your connection to the server is protected, all bets are off afterwards |
| 23:07.02 | chem|st | may someone be so kind and pastebin the icq part from ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg pls |
| 23:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, "hiding" localy stored passwords _from user_ is mere futile |
| 23:07.26 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: +1 |
| 23:07.38 | chem|st | true |
| 23:07.42 | DocScrutinizer | you can encrypt your complete home, and unlock with master password on logon |
| 23:08.13 | DocScrutinizer | everything esle is nonsense |
| 23:08.38 | crashanddie | well, you can hash, but then you're not storing the password. |
| 23:09.39 | ShadowJK | standalone battery charger has turned from angry purple to "hey I'm so cool it's like 2001 again"-blue |
| 23:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 23:10.25 | chem|st | may someone be so kind and pastebin the icq part from ~/.rtcom-accounts/accounts.cfg pls |
| 23:10.28 | SpeedEvil | remembers when green LEDs were cool. |
| 23:10.37 | ShadowJK | battery at 4.12V... |
| 23:10.42 | chem|st | SpeedEvil: '90s? |
| 23:10.50 | ShadowJK | the whole assembly is suspiciously hot though |
| 23:11.03 | ShadowJK | I wonder if it dumped at 500mA until battery's safety circuit said no |
| 23:11.23 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I got go but before that: do you have any hope meego will do "something" about it? |
| 23:11.54 | DocScrutinizer | about what? crypto-fs? |
| 23:11.55 | SpeedEvil | One simple design is a 4.2V shunt regulator, and a resistor |
| 23:12.04 | DocScrutinizer | or proper user logon? |
| 23:12.29 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: anything at all... I would like both... |
| 23:12.45 | DocScrutinizer | you can have both right now and here |
| 23:12.52 | ShadowJK | .. from 220V? |
| 23:13.35 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: w/o loosing functionality? how? |
| 23:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | crypto-fs already done by some dude to maemo some weeks ago. Logon should be damn easy, wait... isn't there device lock code? |
| 23:14.09 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: yes. there is |
| 23:14.27 | ShadowJK | ah the smell of hot PCB |
| 23:14.29 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: but still any application running under the user account will have access to all the files, right? |
| 23:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise it'd be worthless to store this info anyway |
| 23:14.56 | ShadowJK | i can't resist, i have to take this abomination apart now |
| 23:15.51 | chem|st | why the hell is something touching rtcom-accounts and removing server params from icq... and what? |
| 23:16.14 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I guess I just want to, at least, know that some application is trying to access the "important stuff" (lets say passwords files for now) and have a chance to say yes, no, yes always for this app, ... |
| 23:16.20 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: of course you can assign more finegrained permissions, so basically only your app and root can access the credentials |
| 23:16.47 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: but then all the telepathy accounts won't work... |
| 23:17.14 | DocScrutinizer | they will if you allow the app using telepathy to access these files |
| 23:17.23 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: in fact there is another flaw already using a very simple code you can get telepathy to tell you all the credentials to all accounts. |
| 23:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 23:17.53 | DocScrutinizer | and using GBD I dissect the shit out of your system |
| 23:18.03 | DocScrutinizer | gdb even |
| 23:18.03 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: so you would need to prevent other applications from accessing telepathy.... |
| 23:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | what is it woth then? |
| 23:18.23 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I guess I am glad I don't know what gdb means :) |
| 23:18.26 | ShadowJK | finds 4 transistors, one (linear?) reg, one 4-legged ic |
| 23:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | gnu debugger |
| 23:21.29 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: I am sure the list of vulnerabilities goes on and on... but I would hope that, at least, someone like me couldn't figure out more than one way to get passwords out of the phone. |
| 23:21.30 | ShadowJK | no that's not a reg, it's a 5th transistor |
| 23:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: selinux or apparmour is what you are looking for |
| 23:22.34 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: can I get on my phone :) ? |
| 23:22.44 | DocScrutinizer | prolly yes |
| 23:23.31 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: aren't you going to tell me why it is not a good idea? |
| 23:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | but honestly, a proper user logon is first step to a better sleep. And fixing the idiocy of sudo gainroot not asking for root password |
| 23:24.07 | ShadowJK | and the 4 pin thing could be a photocoupler |
| 23:24.08 | ShadowJK | huh |
| 23:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | wtf! |
| 23:24.26 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: now we are talking! I don't expect to be 100% safe ...just want to see some movement towards safer! |
| 23:24.38 | DocScrutinizer | sure it's not a diode graetz bridge? |
| 23:24.54 | ShadowJK | says "Orient 817c" on it |
| 23:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | fcrochik: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools has some bit for you |
| 23:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | starting at # fix NOPASSWD |
| 23:26.16 | fcrochik | DocScrutinizer: thank you! I will have a look.... Thank you for our little chat too. |
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| 23:26.24 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:26.24 | fukyou | <PROTECTED> |
| 23:26.31 | ShadowJK | 4 diodes and a resistor near where AC connects to the board |
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| 23:27.04 | fukyou | <PROTECTED> |
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| 23:27.27 | DocScrutinizer | knewit |
| 23:27.31 | KaffeeJunky123 | what the? |
| 23:27.44 | lpotter | waaaahhh! he made me cry!!!! |
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| 23:30.09 | DocScrutinizer | friggin idiots |
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| 23:31.33 | javispedro | has heard the noise of a banhammer working its way through a poor idiot |
| 23:32.05 | DocScrutinizer | it smelled even before he entered :-P |
| 23:33.15 | javispedro | 's reading ulrich drepper's How To Write Shared Libraries atm |
| 23:33.21 | javispedro | I should print such a nice bible |
| 23:33.24 | DocScrutinizer | [Whois] fukyou ist ~venom@cpe-098-027-044-184.triad.res.rr.com (...) |
| 23:33.30 | DocScrutinizer | for what it's worth |
| 23:36.21 | KaffeeJunky123 | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Installation I wrote it into sources.list, but somehow man-db is still not available <_< |
| 23:36.35 | KaffeeJunky123 | I mean the tools repo ofc |
| 23:40.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: http://www.tradekey.com/product_view/id/806122.htm optocoupler, indeed |
| 23:41.04 | ShadowJK | so I guess one of the diodes is a zener.. |
| 23:41.20 | ShadowJK | and that's the only voltage regulation |
| 23:41.26 | DocScrutinizer | I guess any of the components is a transformer |
| 23:41.31 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: that friendly guy smelly guy just entered #meego |
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| 23:41.40 | ShadowJK | there's a T1 |
| 23:41.42 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:41.42 | javispedro | too late, already banned =) |
| 23:42.10 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I got no ops on #meego |
| 23:42.10 | chx | that fukyou guys needs a k-line |
| 23:42.42 | javispedro | "| #drupal is for general chitchat, quick questions, and community talk." |
| 23:42.45 | javispedro | we should have such |
| 23:42.53 | javispedro | "#maemo is for Life, the Universe and Everything" |
| 23:42.59 | javispedro | *such a line |
| 23:43.17 | javispedro | ;P |
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| 23:43.44 | SpeedEvil | pr42 |
| 23:43.45 | E0x | hello |
| 23:43.46 | KaffeeJunky123 | is meego more or less bloat then maemo? |
| 23:44.15 | E0x | hmm pr1.3 get fix the geotagging issue |
| 23:44.21 | E0x | now is more accurate |
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| 23:44.34 | KaffeeJunky123 | I don't even get a gps signal here |
| 23:44.41 | KaffeeJunky123 | maybe I should try it outside ^^ |
| 23:44.51 | E0x | too bad , even now when you go to picture details |
| 23:45.01 | E0x | show a button that lunch the ovi map |
| 23:45.08 | E0x | to the cordinadte of the picture |
| 23:45.14 | E0x | cordinate* |
| 23:45.24 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6584 E0x? |
| 23:45.25 | povbot | Bug 6584: GPS geotagged pictures truncate precision of GPS reading (0 decimal places) |
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| 23:46.02 | E0x | SpeedEvil: yes sir |
| 23:46.28 | SpeedEvil | Neat. |
| 23:46.35 | SpeedEvil | I need to add my compass/... |
| 23:48.13 | E0x | in the details of the picture like i say now there is a button that lunch ovi map and show you the point of where that picture was take |
| 23:48.54 | E0x | and ovi maps have update too, know for my country you saw the streets |
| 23:49.16 | E0x | and is more detailed and accurate that maemo mapper |
| 23:49.25 | E0x | using google maps |
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| 23:54.49 | SpeedEvil | you've checked the EXIF? |
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| 23:55.59 | E0x | SpeedEvil: i have a picture from pr1.2 days and another new one with pr1.3 in the same place |
| 23:56.03 | E0x | want some info ? |
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| 23:57.41 | SpeedEvil | Does the EXIF show a non-integer secongs of lat'//lon? |
| 23:57.48 | sivang | shit, I was not sub'd to mameo-comunity |
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| 23:57.57 | sivang | who's moderating it? |
| 23:58.07 | sivang | should I sub and re-send? |
| 23:58.31 | E0x | SpeedEvil: hmm |
| 23:58.51 | E0x | the new one have altitude missing |
| 23:59.16 | DocScrutinizer | <misc> 01:45:19| -!- >> hookup [~venom@FE8F53AF.triad.res.rr.com] has joined #IRCube |
| 23:59.18 | DocScrutinizer | <misc> he also spammed another network i am on |
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