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| 00:45.00 | user___ | is there a date for a stable release of meego? |
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| 00:52.21 | jacekowski | never |
| 00:54.26 | lcuk | RIP Beniot Mandelbrot, you were awesome. |
| 00:54.45 | nox- | :( |
| 00:56.10 | lcuk | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIlwFpz9s_I |
| 00:57.37 | joga | also http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bO9ugnn8DbE |
| 00:58.16 | FauxFaux | More like http://vimeo.com/1908224 |
| 00:58.34 | FauxFaux | Actually, I'm not even sure that's my favourite. |
| 00:59.00 | lcuk | I remember my first time seeing mandelbrot set. |
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| 00:59.15 | lcuk | it took 24 hours to render a single black and white frame on my zx spectrum |
| 00:59.32 | lcuk | i can render it in realtime on my n810 |
| 00:59.51 | lcuk | computers are awesome |
| 00:59.52 | nox- | heh /me did that too |
| 01:00.07 | nox- | (fractals on spectrum :) |
| 01:00.49 | lcuk | i wrote a mandel zoom algorithm that fit inside the 256byte cache o nthe 680ec20 on the amiga o_O |
| 01:01.02 | nox- | :) |
| 01:01.25 | lcuk | wishes that hard drive still existed :) |
| 01:02.12 | lcuk | ( context, on my n810: http://liqbase.net/liqbase_testfeatures.AVI ) |
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| 01:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | rendered on a M70 Siemens process controller engine ('realtime' BS-2000 spinoff) and printed to a needle impact printer, tool some 40h iirc, for one page |
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| 01:45.07 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html 16 bit CPU operating at 37,5 MHz |
| 01:45.52 | FauxFaux | CoX OS? WANT. |
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| 02:16.21 | newbie007 | hi could someone tell me where firefox (default browser) downloaded a file? according to the browsers file dialog its at /Nokia N900/Documents |
| 02:17.26 | newbie007 | i really dont like it when save dialogs or open dialog obscure the real path |
| 02:20.43 | newbie007 | got it ~MyDocs/.documents/<here> |
| 02:21.10 | DocScrutinizer | newbie007: ooh, I just had to learn "users do not like to bother about pathnames and directories" (quote Nokia guy) |
| 02:21.21 | newbie007 | next question is how can i unzip? |
| 02:22.15 | newbie007 | but in this os perhaps we can assume the users have a certain level of skill |
| 02:22.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, as even Nokia wasn't able to create a filesystem completely without pathnames, they decided to translate ~user/MyDocs to "N900", and the dir .documents in there to "Documents" |
| 02:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | I'm surprised you're not happy with this X-P |
| 02:23.31 | newbie007 | X-P ? |
| 02:23.43 | DocScrutinizer | emoticon |
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| 02:23.56 | newbie007 | i think i might make a virtual link |
| 02:24.26 | newbie007 | *symbolic link* |
| 02:24.39 | DocScrutinizer | err, symlinks don't work there as it's VFAT (another concession to make your life easier :-P ) |
| 02:24.47 | newbie007 | ha |
| 02:25.20 | newbie007 | its fine this is still the best phone ever |
| 02:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | for unzip I suggest you might want to install package mc (midnight commander) and maybe also unzip |
| 02:26.14 | newbie007 | mc is a file system browser? |
| 02:26.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 02:26.23 | DocScrutinizer | like norton commander |
| 02:26.36 | newbie007 | i dont think there is a package unzip |
| 02:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | probably not in Hildon Application Manager |
| 02:27.18 | newbie007 | i would apt-get it but it seems i limited to only one command prompt (using irssi) |
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| 02:27.36 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need to install it from xterm via "apt-get install" |
| 02:27.49 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip-fm/ |
| 02:28.15 | newbie007 | ok thanks i'll brb then |
| 02:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 02:33.53 | DocScrutinizer | moin raster |
| 02:34.24 | n900user | I'm newbie007 |
| 02:34.31 | DocScrutinizer | hey :-) |
| 02:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | you can have multiple xterms! |
| 02:35.00 | DocScrutinizer | there's a 'new' button in xterms menu |
| 02:35.08 | n900user | I'm using pidgin now |
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| 02:35.21 | n900user | Oh good to know |
| 02:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 02:35.29 | tarpdocks | does anyone know if there is a /dev interface for the n900 microphone? |
| 02:35.44 | tarpdocks | like |
| 02:35.54 | tarpdocks | im trying to play a file over a phonecall but am finding it impossible |
| 02:35.56 | DocScrutinizer | tarpdocks: nope |
| 02:36.00 | n900user | Do i want fremantel or diablo? Using n900 vanilla install |
| 02:36.02 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 02:36.06 | raster | DocScrutinizer: doc! |
| 02:36.19 | DocScrutinizer | n900user: fremantle for N900 |
| 02:36.40 | n900user | Thanks again |
| 02:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | np |
| 02:36.46 | tarpdocks | theres no way to redirect sound input from the microphone? |
| 02:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | you'll need something like gstreamer |
| 02:37.29 | n900user | Sorry i386 or armel? |
| 02:37.34 | DocScrutinizer | armel |
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| 02:38.42 | paulynsamantha | hi all |
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| 02:40.26 | paulynsamantha | sorry to bother but does anyone know the output of the stock Nokia N900 wall charger? |
| 02:43.02 | peb_ | paulynsamantha DC 5.0V/1200mA |
| 02:44.25 | logisist | any way to back up your conversations? |
| 02:44.33 | logisist | I have an N900 w/ Maemo |
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| 02:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, backup app might do that |
| 02:45.07 | logisist | oh, I see the backup software just takes care of that for me |
| 02:46.33 | n900user | DocScrutinizer sorry do i need to add a repo? I cant seem to find unzip except here http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/unzip/6.0-1maemo1/ |
| 02:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | paulynsamantha: the output alone isn't all to know about the Nokia charger. It also has a relatively 'new' signalling about it being a charger: the datalines D+ and D- are shortcircuit |
| 02:47.11 | paulynsamantha | OMG i need to buy the stock one |
| 02:47.26 | paulynsamantha | ive been using a random one |
| 02:47.48 | n900user | It's not standard usb? |
| 02:48.05 | paulynsamantha | thanks so much, Doc do u remeber me from before |
| 02:49.03 | paulynsamantha | n900user: yes but i used kinda rigged up one because i needed more output |
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| 02:50.25 | n900user | More output? You mean amps? Voltage? |
| 02:50.34 | paulynsamantha | amps? |
| 02:50.35 | DocScrutinizer | n900user: maybe you like to have a short glance at http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 02:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | paulynsamantha: sorry, can't recall. Anyway more output won't help anything as N900 takes a max of 1050mA for charging |
| 02:52.02 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: do you never sleep? :) |
| 02:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: sleep is overrated |
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| 02:52.46 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - well... |
| 02:52.47 | paulynsamantha | hey did yous know that the gnuetella fire sharing client Phex works almost perfectly on N900 |
| 02:52.51 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: and I heard people die while sleeping |
| 02:53.51 | n900user | I dont really want dev or test repos but i do want unzip. Should i click the link? |
| 02:54.40 | DocScrutinizer | you could click the .deb link in N900 microB browser, this should start HAM and install the pkg iirc |
| 02:55.52 | DocScrutinizer | no real need to enable the extras-devel repo, but I guess sooner or later you'll end with configuring that repo anyway, and just keep it disabled usually |
| 02:56.50 | n900user | Orry i dont understand HAM or iirc |
| 02:59.04 | n900user | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:59.07 | n900user | Thx! |
| 03:01.28 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: why disabled? |
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| 03:03.33 | DocScrutinizer | HAM=Hildon_App_Manager, |
| 03:03.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~iirc |
| 03:03.36 | infobot | somebody said iirc was "if I recall correctly" |
| 03:04.46 | paulynsamantha | is n900 no longer on NokiaUSA Store online i cant find it lol looking for charger |
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| 03:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | jpinx-eeepc: you might want to keep versions of packages at extras-repo level usually, not at bleeding edge extras-devel repo |
| 03:05.43 | n900user | I've got dependancy issues now :( |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | # apt-get install unzip |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | Reading package lists... Done |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | Building dependency tree |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | Reading state information... Done |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | You might want to run `apt-get -f install' to correct these: |
| 03:05.45 | n900user | The following packages have unmet dependencies: |
| 03:05.46 | n900user | <PROTECTED> |
| 03:05.46 | n900user | E: Unmet dependencies. Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages (or specify a solution). |
| 03:05.52 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: not sure what I've installed from there.. |
| 03:06.25 | jpinx-eeepc | shoots n900user |
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| 03:08.28 | ebzzry_ | Is there a way to reread the file rx-51 without rebooting? |
| 03:09.26 | pupnik | what is in that file |
| 03:09.43 | ebzzry_ | keymap |
| 03:09.44 | pupnik | cat rx-51 would read it |
| 03:09.48 | ebzzry_ | keymaps* |
| 03:10.01 | pupnik | oh yes, |
| 03:10.07 | pupnik | enjoy breaking that and reflashing :) |
| 03:10.18 | n900user | Help: http://pastebin.com/SBwFuAyd |
| 03:10.52 | pupnik | hi n900user |
| 03:10.59 | ebzzry_ | Gah. |
| 03:11.32 | n900user | Hi pupnik |
| 03:12.04 | pupnik | n900user: Try 'apt-get -f install' with no packages |
| 03:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | n900user: hmm, I know libsdl threw errors for quite a while now |
| 03:12.59 | n900user | Pupnik just tried same error |
| 03:13.17 | n900user | Will pastebin... |
| 03:13.35 | pupnik | your first pastebin actually should have enough info for anyone with a device |
| 03:13.52 | pupnik | usually i fix that by removing the broken package |
| 03:14.18 | pupnik | oh i just LOVE the treatment SDL has received since 2007 here DocScrutinizer |
| 03:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | nfc what it is at all |
| 03:14.49 | dcaruana | anyone install moc on maemo5 N900? |
| 03:15.04 | pupnik | http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=812131#post812131 <<< n900user |
| 03:15.35 | pupnik | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 << n900user |
| 03:15.38 | n900user | http://pastebin.com/RDGit9m0 |
| 03:15.39 | dcaruana | thx |
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| 03:16.52 | n900user | Should i remove the repo... ? |
| 03:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | disabling is sufficient, but won't change the problem here |
| 03:17.41 | n900user | Ell it didnt melt |
| 03:17.56 | n900user | *Well it didnt melt |
| 03:19.13 | DocScrutinizer | friggin libsdl pkg is broken or sth |
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| 03:19.51 | pupnik | the explanation is in my second link |
| 03:19.57 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik suggested removing python-pygame |
| 03:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | aiui |
| 03:20.11 | pupnik | no |
| 03:20.16 | pupnik | dpkg --force-all -r libsdl-ttf2.0-0 |
| 03:20.25 | pupnik | apt-get install -f |
| 03:20.43 | pupnik | that's what i suggested |
| 03:21.11 | pupnik | sorry if that was unclear |
| 03:21.51 | pupnik | < pupnik> usually i fix that by removing the broken package |
| 03:21.56 | pupnik | < DocScrutinizer> nfc what it is at all |
| 03:21.58 | pupnik | yup... |
| 03:22.05 | n900user | That doesn't look to safe |
| 03:22.53 | pupnik | http://newbiedoc.sourceforge.net/system/apt-get-intro.html |
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| 03:23.02 | logisist | any mobile Maemo users here running Pidgin? |
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| 03:25.32 | pupnik | the extras-devel libsdl-ttf2 is inconsistent with the official nokia one, n900user ... if you want to use the newer one from -devel, you have to first remove the one from nokia and then do a install -f |
| 03:25.33 | n900user | Logisist i be |
| 03:25.53 | logisist | interesting, I had an issue installing it |
| 03:26.08 | logisist | conflicting packages |
| 03:26.22 | logisist | I hate when I see "Ssl" |
| 03:26.23 | pupnik | well i googled libsdl-ttf and maemo and the threads were in the first few hits |
| 03:26.27 | pupnik | maybe you could try that next time |
| 03:26.30 | pupnik | www.google.com |
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| 03:28.10 | n900user | How can i disable a package? |
| 03:28.16 | n900user | I mean repo |
| 03:29.39 | pupnik | application manager lets you |
| 03:29.47 | pupnik | or edit the sources.list file(s) |
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| 03:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | click menu in HAM, catalogs, click on catalog, checkmarh [x]disabled |
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| 03:44.17 | TermanaN900 | good morning |
| 03:45.08 | DocScrutinizer | good moaning TermanaN900 |
| 03:46.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~libdsl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 |
| 03:46.28 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 03:46.40 | logisist | man this is the best phone ever |
| 03:46.42 | logisist | :D |
| 03:46.43 | DocScrutinizer | bah |
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| 03:47.21 | DocScrutinizer | logisist: yep |
| 03:47.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~libsdl |
| 03:47.31 | infobot | well, libsdl is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=777400 |
| 03:47.48 | TermanaN900 | DocScrutinizer, quick pm? |
| 03:47.54 | logisist | hopefully after I update Maemo I'll be able to use Pidgin |
| 03:47.55 | DocScrutinizer | go ahead |
| 03:48.04 | logisist | hoping for more organization in my buddy list |
| 03:59.05 | raster | god damn |
| 03:59.36 | raster | why did my n900 decide to cease charging on any usb stuff except its own wall-plug thing only? |
| 03:59.56 | raster | kicks his n900 |
| 04:04.27 | paulynsamantha | i want an n810 |
| 04:04.50 | raster | u'd have to likely get one 2nd hand |
| 04:05.00 | raster | or if someone is sitting on old unsold stock... |
| 04:05.11 | raster | or just get an n900 |
| 04:05.21 | raster | which is probably a much better bet |
| 04:05.51 | paulynsamantha | i have n900 |
| 04:06.47 | paulynsamantha | i want n810 cause of the like thumbpad thing |
| 04:07.10 | pupnik | not many people are fans of it |
| 04:07.45 | paulynsamantha | ah really? |
| 04:07.48 | DocScrutinizer | raster: it never did |
| 04:08.06 | raster | DocScrutinizer: eh? |
| 04:08.18 | raster | DocScrutinizer: it has done so ever since |
| 04:08.25 | raster | just plug it into pc with us cable |
| 04:08.26 | DocScrutinizer | raster: for proper charging it needs either ENUM from host, or a short from D+ to D- |
| 04:08.27 | raster | it charges |
| 04:08.43 | raster | it decided to stop doing that all of a sudden |
| 04:08.45 | DocScrutinizer | on host it should, yes |
| 04:09.05 | raster | my galaxy-s charges like a charm on the same usb plug |
| 04:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 04:09.22 | raster | n900 used to |
| 04:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | USB works, for data purposes? |
| 04:09.34 | DocScrutinizer | device shows up on lsusb? |
| 04:09.41 | raster | for weeks its been sitting on my desk keeping powered |
| 04:09.44 | raster | and the screen on 24x7 |
| 04:10.04 | paulynsamantha | ya when i plug in my ca-101 for n900 into any usb port it always says insuffiant power not charging |
| 04:10.12 | paulynsamantha | or soething like that |
| 04:10.31 | DocScrutinizer | also strange |
| 04:10.55 | paulynsamantha | i know |
| 04:11.03 | DocScrutinizer | usually 'insufficient power' means it's consuming more power than can be delivered by charging though |
| 04:11.29 | DocScrutinizer | which is a problem of sw running and subsystems activated |
| 04:12.08 | paulynsamantha | ya but its does that when its idle? |
| 04:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | e.g 3G TX needs a friggin lot of power, so the max 500mA from host might not be sufficient |
| 04:12.32 | DocScrutinizer | quite obviously it isn't idle |
| 04:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | how long will it operate from batery? |
| 04:13.30 | paulynsamantha | i almost always have like the wifi disabled and 2.5g to save battery life |
| 04:14.10 | paulynsamantha | i have to charge it multiple times a day |
| 04:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | raster: might be a defect cable or usb receptacle (N900 usb receptacle is a known flimsy part) |
| 04:14.38 | DocScrutinizer | paulynsamantha: see? |
| 04:15.00 | DocScrutinizer | something is eating lots of power - probably 2.5G data transfer |
| 04:15.27 | paulynsamantha | its always internet not connected |
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| 04:16.04 | paulynsamantha | i think i have a retarded BL-5J |
| 04:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'm absolutely sure you have a misconfigured system |
| 04:16.46 | paulynsamantha | i think i might flash it |
| 04:16.50 | paulynsamantha | reflash^^ |
| 04:17.01 | DocScrutinizer | good start to tackle it |
| 04:17.09 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:17.11 | raster | oops |
| 04:17.15 | raster | something bizartre |
| 04:17.25 | raster | usb hub is a powered one |
| 04:17.29 | raster | so everythnig except the n900 worked and charged |
| 04:17.31 | DocScrutinizer | check charging and battery life before restoring previously saved apps and configs |
| 04:17.45 | raster | but somehow the usb hub this hub was plugged into decied to stop communicating |
| 04:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 04:18.08 | raster | (yes hub plugged into hub plugged into pc - all hubs are powered tho) |
| 04:18.20 | raster | everything BUt the n900 charged and worked with no usb data conn |
| 04:18.22 | raster | n900 bar4fed |
| 04:18.35 | jpinx-eeepc | usb networking is generally flaky - I use it a lot and unplu/replug is a lottery |
| 04:18.41 | DocScrutinizer | cheap hubs won't manage the 'powered' property correctly for ENUM |
| 04:19.08 | DocScrutinizer | raster: sure, N900 is more pedantic about that |
| 04:19.30 | DocScrutinizer | the other devices basically are buggy when charging in such a situation |
| 04:19.41 | raster | but they work |
| 04:19.44 | jpinx-eeepc | using a hub just makes things *more* flaky ;) |
| 04:19.46 | raster | unlike the n900 |
| 04:19.47 | raster | :) |
| 04:20.11 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: not practical considering how far it is to get to the usb plugs on the pc |
| 04:20.17 | raster | 2 at the front and 6 at the back |
| 04:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | raster: yes, they 'work' just like the USB-fan with no cpu or electronics inside |
| 04:20.30 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: use a back one |
| 04:20.33 | raster | the pc is 1.5m away at the end of the bench |
| 04:20.50 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: get a longer usb cable ;) |
| 04:20.53 | raster | thats why u got the powered hubs to make sure i have enough juice to keep most things happy |
| 04:21.03 | DocScrutinizer | raster: check lsusb, it will tell you how much the hub negotiated with N900 for VBUS |
| 04:21.06 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: no thnaks. got to omany bloody cables |
| 04:21.21 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - yea - such is life ;) |
| 04:21.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's not N900's fault other devices don't care about that USB spec and *possibly* break the host or hub by drawing "excessive" current |
| 04:22.01 | raster | i am so keen ont he day my entire desk is just one big wireless charging pad |
| 04:22.17 | raster | DocScrutinizer: hub with only n900 plugged in |
| 04:22.35 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: just don't put your head in that wireless loop ;) |
| 04:22.40 | raster | hub has a 2000ma 5w supply |
| 04:22.46 | rtyler | evening folks :D |
| 04:22.53 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: really - hubs are a pita for the n900 |
| 04:23.01 | jpinx-eeepc | rtyler: o/ |
| 04:23.24 | DocScrutinizer | raster: a hub that doesn't know about its own external power is supposed to limit current to 100mA for each of its 4 downstream ports |
| 04:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | lsusb will tell you in verbatim |
| 04:24.32 | DocScrutinizer | so if the hub doesn't tell host about "I got my own power" then host will ENUM N900 for max VBUS of 100mA |
| 04:24.45 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: I've had some shocking hubs;) Binned them all |
| 04:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | raster: 4*100mA for downstream + 100mA for powering hub = 500mA which happens to be max VBUS from host, according to USB spec |
| 04:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is following this spec, and limits charging to a 100mA in your situation |
| 04:26.49 | raster | beats the crap out of me which hub it is |
| 04:27.14 | raster | http://slexy.org/view/s20mPJymxa |
| 04:28.24 | rtyler | any of you chaps hacking atop Maemo5? |
| 04:28.34 | jpinx-eeepc | I suppose if you really research the spec and buy a top-quality hub it'll do ok for the n900 |
| 04:28.59 | DocScrutinizer | raster: lsusb -v ;-) |
| 04:29.13 | DocScrutinizer | don't redirect to printer :-P |
| 04:29.15 | raster | i know |
| 04:29.19 | raster | but "which one" :) |
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| 04:32.45 | DocScrutinizer | raster: http://paste.debian.net/96775/ |
| 04:33.39 | DocScrutinizer | raster: watch out for changing product-id! |
| 04:33.58 | raster | oh u meant check for the n900 |
| 04:34.00 | raster | not the hub? |
| 04:35.13 | raster | <PROTECTED> |
| 04:35.18 | raster | same |
| 04:35.21 | raster | well now it is |
| 04:35.24 | DocScrutinizer | err, you can check every device, but yes I've been talking about enum result for N900 like MaxPower 500mA #28 in my pastebin |
| 04:35.51 | raster | i thought u meant check to see what the usb hub says power-wise |
| 04:35.52 | raster | :) |
| 04:36.03 | raster | thats why is aid "beats me.. i have a fuck0-tonne of hubs listed" |
| 04:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: - odds are more than half of them are internal hubs of your host |
| 04:37.47 | raster | maybe |
| 04:37.48 | raster | maybe not |
| 04:37.55 | raster | i have a 10 port hub |
| 04:38.15 | raster | and a card reader with 3 more usb ports plugged into that |
| 04:38.24 | DocScrutinizer | which is actually like 3 or 4 logical hubs in itself :-) |
| 04:38.24 | raster | and another 4 port powered hub plugged into the 10 port |
| 04:38.28 | raster | and my monitor has a usb hub too |
| 04:38.31 | raster | with 4 ports |
| 04:38.35 | raster | and card reader |
| 04:38.57 | raster | and yup- that doesnt include any possible internal hubs on the motherboard |
| 04:38.59 | raster | :) |
| 04:39.14 | raster | thus why i went "crap... which one?" :) |
| 04:39.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 04:39.28 | raster | i could eliminate by uplugging everything |
| 04:39.28 | raster | etc. |
| 04:39.32 | raster | but i'm not going to bother |
| 04:39.33 | raster | :) |
| 04:39.37 | DocScrutinizer | following bus hierarchy usually helps |
| 04:45.42 | jpinx-eeepc | hubs plugged into hubs is not going to be nice to the n900 I reckon |
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| 04:56.00 | DocScrutinizer | lol, I'm checking hubs etc here. got a memstick (allegedly transcend) that gives me on lsusb -v -d1307:0165 : |
| 04:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | can't get debug descriptor: Connection timed out |
| 04:56.06 | DocScrutinizer | cannot read device status, Connection timed out (110) |
| 04:56.28 | DocScrutinizer | after several correct lines |
| 05:03.53 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - I can buy "branded" kit here in the market and it's crapware ;) |
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| 05:14.38 | logisist | I need a mail client that can do multiple identities, any ideas? |
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| 05:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | some of you might be interested in my success to enable hostmode in a different way than ~hostmode |
| 05:36.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 05:36.50 | infobot | hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
| 05:38.00 | DocScrutinizer | no timing critical fiddling with starting/stopping bme, with plugging in memstick at a certain moment, etc |
| 05:39.17 | SpeedEvil | Possibly interesting! |
| 05:39.42 | SpeedEvil | I shall need to wake up - I'm just up to get painkillers, and am going to bed having not read it. |
| 05:39.44 | SpeedEvil | great! |
| 05:40.16 | rtyler | this is more of a n900 question, would it be possible to use the touchscreen as a mouse for my desktop? |
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| 05:59.48 | jpinx-eeepc | goddam wifi :( |
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| 06:14.48 | spinningcompass | rtyler: http://g.mmowe.com/index.php/archives/87712 |
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| 06:17.33 | rtyler | I am having trouble understanding this |
| 06:17.43 | rtyler | I'm hoping english isn't the author's first language O_O |
| 06:17.48 | sivang | morning all |
| 06:21.08 | spinningcompass | rtyler: Cantonese, I think. |
| 06:23.36 | DocScrutinizer | <PROTECTED> |
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| 06:24.10 | DocScrutinizer | mhm :-D |
| 06:25.25 | DocScrutinizer | well, nite peeps, hostmode the decent way made me so tired I'm going to follow up on this in 3h |
| 06:27.14 | jpinx-eeepc | DocScrutinizer: looks good so far - keep up the good work-thanks |
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| 06:33.26 | RST38h | mooorning? |
| 06:35.06 | sivang | hey RST38h |
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| 06:47.35 | RST38h | Oracle asked the founders of the Document Foundation and LibreOffice to leave the OpenOffice.org Community Council. |
| 06:47.37 | RST38h | Hehe |
| 06:47.47 | redeeman | lol |
| 06:47.49 | sivang | ? |
| 06:47.53 | sivang | why ? |
| 06:48.01 | doc|home | RST38h: erm, hadn't it already disbanded? |
| 06:48.07 | sivang | googles |
| 06:48.08 | RST38h | dunno |
| 06:48.15 | RST38h | duncare |
| 06:48.28 | RST38h | But it is a DRAMA! |
| 06:48.36 | doc|home | well, if it had then it's FUDrama |
| 06:49.05 | sivang | hehe |
| 06:52.14 | RST38h | doc: fud directed at whom? |
| 06:53.45 | doc|home | how do you define directed? If it's false, and I'm not sure it is, then it looks bad to Oracle |
| 06:53.56 | doc|home | erm, bad for Oracle, pr-wise |
| 06:54.20 | RST38h | enjoy: http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Community_Council_Log_20101014 |
| 06:54.59 | doc|home | foss politics, not interesting, got a specific time? :) |
| 06:55.30 | doc|home | nevermind, found something someway relevant I think |
| 06:55.35 | doc|home | reads |
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| 06:56.46 | RST38h | doc: the enemy in question is CorNouws |
| 06:57.06 | RST38h | doc: He is both on the OO council and working on the fork |
| 06:57.48 | RST38h | doc: and they do not like that at all |
| 06:58.31 | doc|home | ok, seems the founders left, and the council itself didn't actually disband |
| 06:59.14 | doc|home | my memory of this is why I thought it had http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/28/openoffice_independence_from_oracle/ |
| 06:59.21 | doc|home | yes, theregister, I know :( |
| 07:00.17 | RST38h | like the register |
| 07:00.28 | doc|home | it's reporting is blegh at best :/ |
| 07:00.31 | doc|home | (its |
| 07:01.10 | RST38h | Better than gizmodo |
| 07:02.12 | RST38h | Oh well... |
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| 07:04.27 | PaulyNSamantha | hi |
| 07:04.29 | PaulyNSamantha | all |
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| 07:04.44 | PaulyNSamantha | hey Doc: |
| 07:05.26 | Texrat | hello all |
| 07:07.02 | PaulyNSamantha | hey i think i figured out why my battery goes low |
| 07:08.45 | PaulyNSamantha | i changed kernel power defualt to ideal |
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| 07:19.51 | DocScrutinizer | N9 schematics: http://xckd.com/730/ |
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| 07:29.00 | TermanaN900 | RST38h, the best section of The Register is the BOFH section :p |
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| 07:42.08 | Texrat | hey bigbrovar |
| 07:42.56 | bigbrovar | Texrat: hey |
| 07:43.05 | bigbrovar | name rings a bell |
| 07:43.23 | Texrat | I've seen you post at alk.maemo.org |
| 07:43.26 | Texrat | talk* |
| 07:43.58 | bigbrovar | yeah thats it |
| 07:44.07 | bigbrovar | I hardly there nowadays though |
| 07:44.11 | Texrat | where I think I hold the posting record :D |
| 07:44.15 | Texrat | yeah |
| 07:44.19 | Texrat | it's tailing off |
| 07:44.40 | bigbrovar | yeah ever since maemo became "mainstream" |
| 07:45.03 | bigbrovar | its what happens to your favourite underground artist when there go big screen lol |
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| 07:48.05 | Texrat | not to mention MeeGo now getting the glory |
| 07:48.34 | Stskeeps | well, it certainly causes some waves when anything meego is mentioned |
| 07:49.22 | Stskeeps | i'm not sure if i should be happy or sad it was the pr 1.3 'multiboot' people spread around instead of the more important part, me being technical lead of meego/n900 ;) |
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| 07:55.53 | FIQ|n900 | What is all the buzz about PR1.3 "enables multiboot maemo/meego"? As I've read, it's just like before - that the only people getting it is actually the same as before? |
| 07:56.10 | Stskeeps | basically a misunderstanding.. |
| 07:56.16 | FIQ|n900 | i.e. developers/power users feeling to test things |
| 07:56.23 | Stskeeps | PR1.3 kernel adds patches for kexec |
| 07:56.31 | FIQ|n900 | Ah, ok |
| 07:56.35 | Stskeeps | the way we'll do it in meego/n900 is through u-boot instead |
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| 08:01.21 | bigbrovar | as far as the N900 is concerned I rather have a working functional as bug free as possible maemo than meego. N900 is the taget device of maemo and it would be hard for meego to have the same level of integration and smooth running |
| 08:01.54 | bigbrovar | give me turn by turn navigation and that is all I need. am good to go |
| 08:02.09 | bigbrovar | I can always get a meego device if one is eventually released |
| 08:06.17 | lucent | pretty pleased with my N900 |
| 08:06.24 | lucent | it survived a trip to Burning Man |
| 08:06.37 | redeeman | mine has lost its wifi capabilities |
| 08:06.40 | redeeman | it just craps out |
| 08:06.44 | redeeman | i think its the hardware |
| 08:06.45 | lucent | most of my electronics gear dies a toasty death after my vacation week to that event in the desert |
| 08:06.51 | redeeman | the checksum of the kernel module and firmware is okay |
| 08:06.59 | redeeman | it complains about timeout when initializing the wifi |
| 08:07.20 | lucent | oh shame about that |
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| 08:13.08 | RobbieThe1st | Hi, all |
| 08:15.02 | kerio | Hi, you |
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| 08:23.31 | DocScrutinizer | redeeman: hey, there's been a report about a new N900 with broken wifi just yesterday |
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| 08:34.06 | redeeman | DocScrutinizer: interresting |
| 08:34.12 | redeeman | you wouldn't happen to remember the number? |
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| 08:34.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | number? |
| 08:34.40 | redeeman | bug# |
| 08:34.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's been here |
| 08:36.04 | mikki-kun|N900 | hey, can somebody point me to the dir where the n900 saves it's confugrations for wireless networks? i'd need to check a password i got for which version of it the n900 successfully uses... |
| 08:37.23 | steinex | mikki-kun|N900: hmm, grep -Ri for the network in /? |
| 08:37.59 | johnx | mikki-kun|N900, it's stored in gconf, I believe |
| 08:38.57 | johnx | uhm, if it were me I'd do something like: gconftool -R / | less |
| 08:39.05 | johnx | then type / in less and search for your network SSID |
| 08:39.23 | johnx | maybe there's a more friendly/easy way, but I don't know it |
| 08:42.21 | mikki-kun|N900 | it does @sho it but like 10k likes other crap |
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| 08:43.13 | mikki-kun|N900 | but less is not working |
| 08:43.32 | johnx | switch out less for grep -C 10 MySSID |
| 08:43.34 | mikki-kun|N900 | every time i press enter ESCOM appears -_- |
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| 08:44.07 | andrewfblack | Anyone use there N900 without a Sim with bluetooth tether? |
| 08:44.28 | mikki-kun|N900 | thanks |
| 08:44.33 | mikki-kun|N900 | that worked :) |
| 08:45.02 | johnx | is impressed he's actually started to remember grep options ... |
| 08:45.21 | johnx | only took 10 years |
| 08:46.01 | MohammadAG | LOL |
| 08:47.10 | FIQ|n900 | nice johnx :) |
| 08:48.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | johnx: you missed to metion the ^M instead of CR you'll need in an unpatched xterm for less / |
| 08:48.47 | _trine | does anyone use asterisk on their N900 here ? |
| 08:49.29 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, good to know. I'd given it up as a lost cause and started learning to do without it |
| 08:50.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | I fixed the root cause instead :-P |
| 08:50.44 | FIQ|n900 | Noes, no hg for n900 |
| 08:53.22 | steinex | FIQ|n900: porting hg should be a relatively no-brainer |
| 08:53.52 | steinex | it's python... |
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| 08:57.25 | lolcat93 | Hey |
| 08:57.37 | lolcat93 | How do I get out of the reboot loop? Charging and usb cable doesnt work... |
| 08:58.13 | johnx | lolcat93, is your data backed up? |
| 08:58.15 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer51> I fixed the root cause instead :-P |
| 08:58.16 | MohammadAG | how? |
| 08:58.23 | lolcat93 | johnx: I'm not sure I have any... |
| 08:58.34 | MohammadAG | I really hate how ENTER is KP_ENTER... |
| 08:58.43 | MohammadAG | why the fuck did they even do that |
| 08:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 08:59.07 | lolcat93 | johnx: Any suggestions? |
| 08:59.21 | DocScrutinizer | at bottom |
| 08:59.26 | lolcat93 | johnx: I am not far away form returning it to the shop in hope to get a new one |
| 08:59.30 | johnx | lolcat93, will it wait if you pull battery, plug in usb, hold 'u' (on the N900) and plug in the battery? |
| 08:59.51 | johnx | lolcat93, returning it is another good answer :) |
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| 09:00.20 | pupnik | MohammadAG: i'm still wondering about that one |
| 09:00.31 | lolcat93 | when van i releaze u? |
| 09:01.02 | lolcat93 | Looks like it does nothin.. |
| 09:01.04 | alterego | Aww, Mandelbrot is dead |
| 09:01.04 | johnx | when it stops at the 'usb logo' screen |
| 09:01.17 | lolcat93 | Nokia it says |
| 09:01.31 | johnx | lolcat93, with a little 'usb' icon in the corner? |
| 09:01.35 | lolcat93 | yep |
| 09:01.39 | johnx | you're set |
| 09:01.40 | johnx | reflash |
| 09:01.44 | lolcat93 | how? |
| 09:01.53 | johnx | what OS do you run on your desktop? |
| 09:02.00 | lolcat93 | and can i releaze u? |
| 09:02.01 | ShadowJK | ~flashing |
| 09:02.01 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 09:02.04 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 09:02.07 | lolcat93 | ubuntu |
| 09:02.40 | lolcat93 | Can I releaze the u? |
| 09:02.44 | johnx | yeah |
| 09:02.45 | DocScrutinizer | yes XD |
| 09:03.16 | johnx | I said 'when it stops at the 'usb logo' screen' a couple minutes ago :) |
| 09:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 09:03.32 | lolcat93 | Ahh |
| 09:03.50 | lolcat93 | It was a pita to hold it down while typing and such |
| 09:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | cackles |
| 09:04.15 | johnx | :D yeah, it just forces the device into 'flashing' mode. once it's there you're good |
| 09:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | I recommend though you switch it off immediately, read ALL the page about flashing, prepare everything, then continue doing same procedure to get to "u" mode |
| 09:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | otherwise odds are your battery drains to point of no return, which will create a nice deadlock as you can't charge without flashing, and can't flash without prior charging |
| 09:06.30 | lolcat93 | Is this a long thing? |
| 09:06.42 | lolcat93 | I'll get a replacement within a week if I return it |
| 09:06.43 | DocScrutinizer | flashing? naw, 60s |
| 09:07.03 | lolcat93 | There is no link to download the damn software |
| 09:07.15 | lolcat93 | havent slept and is mildly grumpy |
| 09:07.24 | johnx | might want to leave it until tomorrow |
| 09:07.59 | DocScrutinizer | there is a link, look for URL with nokia in it |
| 09:08.29 | johnx | since it will get to flashing mode we know it's possible to restore it, but if you're tired and impatient and screw up the command you might have a whole bunch more work to restore it |
| 09:08.59 | lolcat93 | Oh, I just had to scroll down to see the accept thing |
| 09:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | unless you drain your battery meanwhile, then suddenly you can't enter flashing mode anymore |
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| 09:09.49 | lolcat93 | Doh it doesnt work with 64 bit... |
| 09:09.59 | Corsac | but in case you end up like this, it's still possible to charge your battery with another n900 (or at the store) |
| 09:10.06 | Corsac | lolcat93: it does, but you need ia32-libs |
| 09:10.07 | MohammadAG | lolcat93, --force-architecture |
| 09:11.12 | johnx | off-topic: I really wish we had multiarch already ... |
| 09:12.38 | lolcat93 | I guess I will just go to the shop |
| 09:12.49 | lolcat93 | I haven't done anything that could possibly break it |
| 09:13.30 | johnx | sounds like a good option :) |
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| 09:15.10 | lolcat93 | johnx: I assume it will take forever |
| 09:15.24 | johnx | heh. which option? |
| 09:15.56 | johnx | flashing? maybe 30 minutes total time, including downloading the tools, and ia32-libs, and actually flashing |
| 09:15.58 | lolcat93 | Returning it |
| 09:16.09 | lolcat93 | It will take at least a week |
| 09:16.11 | johnx | taking it to a store? yeah maybe instantaneous or maybe weeks |
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| 09:16.39 | johnx | if you're not comfortable with the CLI there's a GUI flasher for windows |
| 09:16.39 | lolcat93 | But if this happens three times, they are obligated by law to give me my money back, or a new device |
| 09:16.55 | lolcat93 | I'm not really comfortable with Windows anymore |
| 09:17.28 | pupnik | it's nice when that leaves |
| 09:17.30 | lolcat93 | It is Linux all the way here |
| 09:17.35 | pupnik | eventually the memories fade too lolcat93 |
| 09:17.45 | johnx | then, it's time to start getting comfy with the Linux CLI |
| 09:17.53 | johnx | you might even get to like it eventually :) |
| 09:17.54 | pupnik | all those wonderful midnights you wanted to run down the street with a submachinegun |
| 09:17.59 | lolcat93 | With Windows 95 I knew EVERYTHING, I could fix whatever |
| 09:18.00 | pupnik | shooting into anything that moved |
| 09:18.07 | lolcat93 | But with Vista I know nothing |
| 09:18.20 | lolcat93 | Barley toutched Windows 7 |
| 09:18.37 | lolcat93 | I like ubuntu, especially here where I have to use a wired network |
| 09:20.45 | lolcat93 | But the fun thing with this phone is that, I got it on the insurance for my stolen N97. Then I got a discount of around $200-300 because it had a scratch in the screen (display phone). I told him I would just loose the money, so he gave me a "package deal" where I got a 16 gb micro-sd card and a handsfree and something else. But on the recite it says I only paid for the N900 |
| 09:21.45 | johnx | well, that's good and bad :) |
| 09:21.49 | lolcat93 | And the three strike rule is awesome. If I get the money back, I can order it from a cheaper store, and if I get a new one I get rid of the scratch |
| 09:23.50 | MohammadAG | how do I suppress killall? |
| 09:23.58 | Corsac | rm killall |
| 09:24.02 | johnx | suppress? |
| 09:24.08 | MohammadAG | MohamadAG-N900:/etc$ killall somethingthatisntrunning |
| 09:24.08 | MohammadAG | killall: somethingthatisntrunning: no process killed |
| 09:24.11 | MohammadAG | get rid of that ^ |
| 09:24.20 | johnx | killall foo 2> /dev/null |
| 09:24.29 | MohammadAG | 2> |
| 09:24.29 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 09:24.35 | johnx | redirect stderr |
| 09:24.39 | johnx | 1 is stdout |
| 09:24.45 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 09:24.47 | MohammadAG | thanks :D |
| 09:25.19 | johnx | useful construct: killall myprogram 2> /dev/null || echo "my own error message" |
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| 09:32.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | even more useful sometimes: while killall foobar 2>/dev/null; do sleep 0.1; done |
| 09:34.07 | johnx | and all sorts of fun variations including printing a '.' everytime you go through the loop :) |
| 09:34.44 | johnx | though, uhm, isn't your logic backwards? |
| 09:35.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | backwards logic? |
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| 09:35.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | the loop waits until the process actually terminates |
| 09:35.56 | johnx | if it was killed, loop? |
| 09:36.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | yes |
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| 09:36.33 | johnx | yeah, guess I could see that |
| 09:36.35 | johnx | great as long as something isn't respawning it for you ;) |
| 09:37.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | if it's respawning too fast then you're busted |
| 09:38.35 | johnx | I believe the saying goes " ... and now you have two problems" |
| 09:42.44 | johnx | ~lart comcast's DNS admins |
| 09:42.44 | infobot | gives comcast's DNS admins a "free" copy of Windows and then charges double for "Upgrades" |
| 09:43.10 | johnx | that, uh, isn't helping infobot ... |
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| 09:46.03 | ilius | i want to install many development packages from debian repo to my scratchbox, but i get dependency error |
| 09:46.59 | ilius | Depends: libc6-dev but it is not going to be installed |
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| 09:53.58 | johnx | ilius, then it looks like those packages will need to be reworked before they can be installed |
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| 10:18.44 | MohammadAG | are there any apps which use QFile to read data? |
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| 10:23.12 | MohammadAG | nevermind, Symbian example helped :/ |
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| 10:37.06 | D-Iivil | Hello. |
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| 10:37.31 | johnx | hallo D-Iivil |
| 10:37.50 | D-Iivil | what's up here? |
| 10:40.57 | johnx | not too much. |
| 10:41.01 | johnx | late saturday night :) |
| 10:41.51 | D-Iivil | johnx, it's already mid sunday here. |
| 10:42.02 | johnx | what's it like in the future? |
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| 10:42.11 | dRbiG | hehe :) |
| 10:42.22 | D-Iivil | Pretty much the same as elsewhere I think. |
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| 10:42.47 | johnx | do you have flying cars yet? |
| 10:43.02 | D-Iivil | No, no yet. |
| 10:43.10 | johnx | bah. I'll just sleep in then |
| 10:43.21 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 10:43.48 | D-Iivil | Yeah, tomorrow's gonna be pretty boring worldwide. |
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| 10:44.08 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 10:44.19 | MohammadAG | I wonder if anyone changed their green full battery light into something else... |
| 10:44.50 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, why? It should be pretty easy. |
| 10:45.06 | MohammadAG | cause I want to use a green light in my app lol |
| 10:45.33 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, you're programming traffic lights app? :P |
| 10:45.42 | MohammadAG | maybe :P |
| 10:46.05 | D-Iivil | "red, orange, GO!" |
| 10:46.40 | D-Iivil | Would actually be pretty cool with 0-60mph gps timer bundled with :P |
| 10:48.05 | MohammadAG | D-Iivil, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50NhK5tl9xw |
| 10:48.06 | D-Iivil | Since I'm here I will ask this guestion here aswell; is there a way to restart Xorg without rebooting the whole device (N900)? |
| 10:48.29 | MohammadAG | with those boards, when the jailbreak is in progress, it shows a red LED, when it's done, it changes to green |
| 10:48.34 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, too lazy to try to stream that over 2G... |
| 10:48.37 | MohammadAG | the N900 has both colours :) |
| 10:48.41 | MohammadAG | oh lol |
| 10:49.05 | D-Iivil | And I'm already almost out of battery too. |
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| 10:57.54 | D-Iivil | Anyone? No ideas about that Xorg guestion? |
| 10:58.41 | psycho_oreos | not on n900 lol |
| 10:59.03 | johnx | D-Iivil, check in the init script. you might be able to do it, but I doubt it's safe to do all the time |
| 10:59.07 | alterego | Strange how without the -opengl option to qmlviewer my code runs smoother and looks better. |
| 11:00.21 | D-Iivil | johnx, will do that, thanks :) I'm just bored to boot the phone while testing stuff and I want to try if restarting Xorg would really clear all cached theme elements and show changed ones like after the reboot :) |
| 11:01.25 | johnx | alterego, makes sense. after all, you're already in a composited context without 'opengl' mode ... |
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| 11:04.39 | alterego | Hrm, maybe, I would have thought some of the QML primitives would be optimized for OpenGL. |
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| 11:05.49 | johnx | correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that if you tried to use openGL in a window in maemo 5 you'd basically end up having to render-to-texture before it got to the screen |
| 11:06.47 | alterego | Yeah .. |
| 11:07.00 | alterego | Well, no |
| 11:07.26 | alterego | Normal programs are effectively being run like that. |
| 11:07.46 | alterego | But if you create a opengl app you get your own gl context. |
| 11:08.23 | alterego | Actually, when you use the opengl flag on qmlviewer there are more colours, just not good antialiasing and the animations don't seem as smooth. |
| 11:08.36 | johnx | huh. what happens when you do the 'app switcher' thing? |
| 11:09.37 | alterego | It usually works alright, I think becausr then the compositor reads the buffer |
| 11:10.04 | johnx | if you say so :) |
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| 11:16.40 | Venemo | hi |
| 11:21.13 | MohammadAG | first app which uses LEDs and doesn't break mce? http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui/blobs/master/src/procwatch.cpp :P |
| 11:21.34 | MohammadAG | should learn how to use dbus properly instead of using system() |
| 11:23.30 | johnx | makes his own life more difficult than it needs to be |
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| 11:40.31 | pupnik | it's really hard to go back to a 770 for browsing :) |
| 11:43.12 | pupnik | is amazed how long it took between announcement of omap3 and products with omap3 |
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| 11:44.34 | TermanaN900 | pupnik, that is horrible. Why would you do such a thing? |
| 11:44.36 | TermanaN900 | :p |
| 11:44.39 | oshin | hi, anyone know how to add a new encoding to microb? |
| 11:46.10 | pupnik | TermanaN900: still waiting for my omap3 ship to come in. waiting since feb 2007 |
| 11:47.09 | oshin | browser->adjust view->encoding |
| 11:53.15 | frals | MohammadAG: uh, hasnt that req_lead_pattern_activate been known for a while? :D |
| 11:54.23 | MohammadAG | frals, true, but most apps write to /sys directly, or disable the engine1 & engine2 |
| 11:54.44 | MohammadAG | writing to /sys eats CPU, disabling engine1 & 2 requires an mce restart after the app's run |
| 11:54.50 | MohammadAG | fcamera would be an example |
| 11:55.03 | frals | i think i played around wit the dbus stuff when trying to get mms notifications working :P |
| 11:55.15 | MohammadAG | with default patterns, I'm sure :) |
| 11:55.44 | SpeedEvil | 'writing to sys eats CPU' ? |
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| 11:55.55 | timeless_mbp | oshin: *WHY*? |
| 11:56.11 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, lemme rephrase, while true; do echo 255 > lednode; done |
| 11:56.34 | oshin | timeless_mbp, to force an encoding over a page that use wrong encoding in the html header. |
| 11:56.44 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 11:57.04 | MohammadAG | otherwise, mce would turn off the led |
| 11:57.23 | timeless_mbp | oshin: let's try again |
| 11:57.27 | timeless_mbp | WHAT PAGE!@ |
| 11:57.33 | timeless_mbp | WHICH ENCODING |
| 11:57.37 | timeless_mbp | *hates* users |
| 11:57.54 | TermanaN900 | SHOW ME THE MONEY |
| 11:57.57 | oshin | timeless_mbp, some thai page that the contents are in iso-8859-11 but the html header says utf-8 |
| 11:58.09 | TermanaN900 | Oh I'm sorry. Wrong situation |
| 11:58.11 | TermanaN900 | :p |
| 11:58.36 | timeless_mbp | oshin: thai? glory |
| 11:58.50 | oshin | any idea? |
| 11:58.56 | oshin | i am bored by grepping. |
| 11:59.10 | timeless_mbp | oshin: personally i'd just yell at the idiotic page author |
| 11:59.23 | timeless_mbp | then i'd load content from elsewhere and boycott his page until he fixed it |
| 11:59.42 | oshin | so you don't know? |
| 11:59.42 | timeless_mbp | but if for some *insane* reason you persist in visiting such an idiotic service provider |
| 11:59.46 | timeless_mbp | to get such *Crappy* content |
| 11:59.57 | timeless_mbp | then you're best served by using firefox for mobile, or perhaps opera |
| 12:00.02 | oshin | it could happened with content automated by bots etc. |
| 12:00.14 | timeless_mbp | well some idiot is clearly providing content |
| 12:00.14 | oshin | anyway, thanks. |
| 12:00.18 | timeless_mbp | managing the bot, etc |
| 12:00.25 | timeless_mbp | do the world a favor and complain to that guy |
| 12:00.32 | timeless_mbp | the design of microb is to give users choices that make sense for the product |
| 12:00.39 | timeless_mbp | the product (the n900) does not include support for Thai |
| 12:00.43 | TermanaN900 | pissing the hell out of timeless_mbp and what not |
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| 12:01.02 | timeless_mbp | so including menu options which are not remotely useful for 99.99% of the target audience is a huge waste of resources |
| 12:01.10 | timeless_mbp | not counting localization, testing, etc |
| 12:01.14 | oshin | well |
| 12:01.18 | oshin | there's adjust view option |
| 12:01.20 | timeless_mbp | it actually confuses the majority of the userbase |
| 12:01.29 | oshin | and that's a single line of iconv that can be coded |
| 12:01.36 | timeless_mbp | um |
| 12:01.37 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 12:01.39 | timeless_mbp | not even remotely close |
| 12:01.43 | timeless_mbp | 1. it isn't iconv |
| 12:01.56 | timeless_mbp | yes, and any poor sap who actually needs to use that for a supported region will be stuck w/ one more useless and confusing option |
| 12:01.57 | SpeedEvil | 3. underpants |
| 12:02.02 | oshin | and a sane coder should just have loaded another editable text file to map the conversion |
| 12:02.11 | timeless_mbp | a sane coder wouldn't work for nokia |
| 12:02.19 | timeless_mbp | and a sane coder would fire a user like you |
| 12:02.22 | timeless_mbp | i'm picking the latter option |
| 12:02.36 | SpeedEvil | Also - nokia has a fundamental problem with UI - they tend to have nigh-immovable specs set in stone. |
| 12:02.50 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: understatement |
| 12:02.50 | SpeedEvil | Which do not take account of sensible user comments. |
| 12:03.00 | timeless_mbp | note: this user's comments aren't sensible |
| 12:03.01 | oshin | may be greasemonkey could help me on this. |
| 12:03.10 | timeless_mbp | oshin: i highly doubt it |
| 12:03.15 | pupnik | +5 insightful SpeedEvil |
| 12:03.28 | oshin | i bet i can change the html header with it? |
| 12:03.30 | timeless_mbp | oshin: greasemonkey gets a page once you have the page |
| 12:03.33 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 - for example. Mashing two keys shouldn't work - you should always press them carefully in the right order. |
| 12:03.35 | povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. |
| 12:03.35 | timeless_mbp | which means decoding is already done |
| 12:03.55 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: yeah, our ui designers are idiots |
| 12:04.15 | timeless_mbp | they conspire w/ the intl/l10n/kb people to produce the worst experience possible |
| 12:04.19 | timeless_mbp | and they're very good at it |
| 12:04.35 | oshin | ill modify polipo then, thanks. |
| 12:04.37 | timeless_mbp | and by "decoding", please read "destructive mangling" |
| 12:05.12 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure. I see the value of consistency - even if it annoys some users. Where I object is whenthat spec is not updated when updating it would not confuse the user in any way or complicate the interface, and be useful for users. |
| 12:05.18 | timeless_mbp | oshin: really, getting decoding right by the time it gets to browsers is full of fail |
| 12:05.27 | timeless_mbp | and real users can not use such a menu |
| 12:05.40 | oshin | we used it all the time here. |
| 12:05.43 | timeless_mbp | and if someone does manage to screw up the headers, they probably also will manage to *mix* the screwed up content |
| 12:05.44 | SpeedEvil | They should all just learn en-us. :) |
| 12:05.47 | oshin | a lot of pages were like that. |
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| 12:06.06 | timeless_mbp | oshin: used which? |
| 12:06.08 | oshin | due to some migration of database of php webboard i think.. well, dunno. |
| 12:06.08 | timeless_mbp | where? |
| 12:06.17 | timeless_mbp | ah see, some idiot screwed something up |
| 12:06.24 | timeless_mbp | and instead of you complaining to the right idiot |
| 12:06.27 | oshin | timeless, do adjustment on page encoding. |
| 12:06.27 | timeless_mbp | you come here |
| 12:06.35 | timeless_mbp | expecting a miracle |
| 12:06.47 | oshin | i expect some sane in the development. |
| 12:07.03 | oshin | that a simple stuffs like encoding should be easily added |
| 12:07.05 | timeless_mbp | well, i expect the idiot who screwed up the conversation to be the one who gets whipped |
| 12:07.06 | MSJ1983 | MuhammedAG its there coming any updates on psfreedom? |
| 12:07.10 | timeless_mbp | that's where it went wrong |
| 12:07.13 | oshin | that's why the world has something called 'work-around' |
| 12:07.14 | timeless_mbp | that's where it should be fixed |
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| 12:07.26 | timeless_mbp | yeah, work-around = find a better content provider |
| 12:07.30 | timeless_mbp | one which doesn't get this wrong |
| 12:07.35 | oshin | it's a part of software engineering since stone edge. |
| 12:07.50 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 12:07.51 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 12:08.02 | timeless_mbp | if you can't read EDBIC |
| 12:08.07 | timeless_mbp | you don't add support for EDBIC |
| 12:08.12 | timeless_mbp | you just don't waste time reading EDBIC |
| 12:08.19 | timeless_mbp | it saves everyone lots of time and money |
| 12:08.29 | MohammadAG | MSJ1983, yes, tomorrow hopefully |
| 12:08.33 | oshin | in about:config there seems to be a list of encoding |
| 12:08.35 | timeless_mbp | and if someone really wants that EDBIC content, they convert it *properly* and publish it in a supported format |
| 12:08.40 | oshin | wonder what it can do. |
| 12:08.47 | timeless_mbp | oshin: the MicroB ui is not Gecko |
| 12:08.52 | timeless_mbp | it's hand written gtk-c |
| 12:09.03 | timeless_mbp | and the strings are .po/.mo based |
| 12:09.09 | timeless_mbp | so, in short, "it does nothing" |
| 12:09.23 | timeless_mbp | you could of course try Firefox for mobile |
| 12:09.33 | timeless_mbp | said that about 30 lines ago |
| 12:09.38 | oshin | what's the package of software that has this adjustview menu implemented? |
| 12:09.53 | timeless_mbp | offhand, probably tablet-browser-ui or something |
| 12:09.55 | timeless_mbp | it's closed |
| 12:09.58 | timeless_mbp | don't bother looking for it |
| 12:10.03 | oshin | heh, i didn't notice firefox thanks |
| 12:10.07 | timeless_mbp | ... |
| 12:10.09 | oshin | tries. |
| 12:10.23 | timeless_mbp | oshin: please do me a favor and read everything i write to you instead of ignoring it |
| 12:10.30 | timeless_mbp | i'm not writing things to you because i like writing |
| 12:10.36 | timeless_mbp | i'm inherently lazy |
| 12:10.40 | MohammadAG | timeless_mbp, may I ask why it's closed? it's fairly simple |
| 12:10.48 | oshin | dude you type to fart and pardon me i am not even a native english user |
| 12:10.49 | MohammadAG | unlike bme and that stuff |
| 12:10.59 | timeless_mbp | but do me the common courtesy of reading answers to questions you ask |
| 12:11.04 | hahlo | can you send text message (sms) from command line, and read incoming messages too? |
| 12:11.08 | timeless_mbp | MohammadAG: management process failure |
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| 12:11.18 | Robot101 | timeless_mbp: you should probably just switch to a different channel, you seem to care about this way too much |
| 12:11.33 | timeless_mbp | oshin: if you don't understand something someone says, ask for clarification |
| 12:11.34 | Robot101 | timeless_mbp: http://xkcd.com/386/ |
| 12:11.34 | oshin | well firefox is slow |
| 12:11.35 | timeless_mbp | don't ignore it |
| 12:11.47 | Robot101 | I left #maemo for a few months, it was great |
| 12:11.50 | oshin | and yeh i can safely ignore it later. |
| 12:12.01 | Robot101 | in fact it was just my irssi config that brought me back by mistake |
| 12:12.03 | oshin | like 'on the fly' ignoring the resolution. |
| 12:12.09 | oshin | s/re// |
| 12:12.10 | timeless_mbp | Robot101: heh |
| 12:12.35 | timeless_mbp | i was wondering why you ended up back here |
| 12:12.49 | Robot101 | I wonder why you stay here if it makes you so angry :) |
| 12:12.57 | timeless_mbp | Robot101: it doesn't most of the time :) |
| 12:13.06 | timeless_mbp | and sometimes people listen |
| 12:13.16 | timeless_mbp | or at least, i have to hope that once in a while people would listen |
| 12:13.20 | Robot101 | well it doesn't make me angry most of the time either, but when it does it really excels :P |
| 12:13.20 | timeless_mbp | it could happen! |
| 12:13.20 | oshin | yeh he's useful most of the time. |
| 12:13.39 | Robot101 | I'm mostly just laughing at the moment |
| 12:13.44 | timeless_mbp | oshin: you do realize that i *work* on the browser, right? |
| 12:13.52 | Robot101 | which is good because I needed cheering up |
| 12:13.56 | oshin | hell no! |
| 12:13.56 | timeless_mbp | you're more or less asking about my baby and then ignoring me |
| 12:14.00 | timeless_mbp | which is a terrible idea |
| 12:14.16 | timeless_mbp | and if you don't know what a person here does, there's a part of maemo.org w/ profiles that would tell you |
| 12:14.26 | MSJ1983 | i was thinking about hermes 4 or somthing that come up MuhammadAG |
| 12:14.37 | oshin | i wouldn't bother reading that for just a simple question |
| 12:14.58 | oshin | like how to add more encoding and get 'no' rather than 'why' |
| 12:15.18 | oshin | see? world work easier that way. |
| 12:15.23 | timeless_mbp | oshin: if there's a major content producer, i'm willing to use that either to contact the producer directly |
| 12:15.34 | timeless_mbp | or to suggest to some future UI person that we might need to include the option |
| 12:15.45 | oshin | well, that's like xml philosophy |
| 12:15.50 | oshin | people do produces error |
| 12:16.02 | timeless_mbp | s/produces error/produce errors/ |
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| 12:16.06 | timeless_mbp | yes, you've proven that |
| 12:16.28 | oshin | and why you wasting your time manifying the error? |
| 12:16.33 | oshin | aren't you producing it as well? |
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| 12:17.08 | timeless_mbp | looks up http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=manify |
| 12:17.22 | timeless_mbp | did you mean magnify?… |
| 12:17.40 | timeless_mbp | oshin: put differently |
| 12:17.52 | timeless_mbp | if you have content which has a tiny error in it, such as your typos |
| 12:17.57 | timeless_mbp | you ignore it, right? |
| 12:17.58 | oshin | it's fun, but.. i dont have time |
| 12:18.01 | oshin | yeh |
| 12:18.06 | timeless_mbp | why don't you ignore the minor errors w/ the thai content? |
| 12:18.08 | oshin | like rasterman |
| 12:18.17 | oshin | i can't read them |
| 12:18.19 | timeless_mbp | what's so different between the thai content and me? |
| 12:18.30 | oshin | well hey, it's cool but later |
| 12:18.31 | timeless_mbp | well, why is that thai content so important? |
| 12:18.39 | oshin | need to get something done quickly |
| 12:18.42 | oshin | friend sutffs |
| 12:18.43 | timeless_mbp | (this was my original question) |
| 12:18.48 | oshin | like chatting board |
| 12:18.59 | oshin | later! |
| 12:19.03 | timeless_mbp | surely there's an admin you could contact |
| 12:19.10 | oshin | well... no |
| 12:19.11 | timeless_mbp | if you do that, you'll fix your problem forever |
| 12:19.12 | oshin | too bad |
| 12:19.21 | oshin | they hardly response you know |
| 12:19.23 | timeless_mbp | instead of having to fix it for each page or at least each session |
| 12:19.30 | timeless_mbp | have you tried? |
| 12:19.33 | oshin | sure |
| 12:19.37 | timeless_mbp | on this item? |
| 12:19.40 | oshin | i even know his home |
| 12:19.41 | timeless_mbp | (with pictures) |
| 12:20.04 | oshin | well.. since in other browser they can have default encoding |
| 12:20.12 | timeless_mbp | we can too |
| 12:20.25 | oshin | and adjust encoding that can be easily accessed |
| 12:20.25 | timeless_mbp | for a limited set of encodings that made sense for our target audience |
| 12:20.34 | oshin | people lived with it |
| 12:20.39 | oshin | and they don't bother fixing |
| 12:20.46 | oshin | ah works! |
| 12:20.48 | oshin | thanks really! |
| 12:20.59 | timeless_mbp | which works? firefox for mobile? |
| 12:21.09 | oshin | no, firefox desktop |
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| 12:21.22 | oshin | i am on mobile they are on desktop so i don't know |
| 12:21.23 | timeless_mbp | "you can't take it with you" |
| 12:21.58 | timeless_mbp | fwiw, i can't see any obvious way to manually add an encoding to Safari on OS X |
| 12:22.09 | timeless_mbp | and i'd be shocked to discover i could w/ Safari on my iPod touch |
| 12:22.24 | timeless_mbp | (first I'd have to find my iPod touch, then i'd have to find the charging cable, and then ...) |
| 12:22.27 | oshin | can't you just edit nib on safari osx? |
| 12:22.45 | timeless_mbp | the odds of that doing anything remotely useful are rather poor |
| 12:22.50 | timeless_mbp | but sure, i can edit a nib |
| 12:22.51 | oshin | to add more encoding if the underlying coversion is in something like iconv |
| 12:22.58 | timeless_mbp | no |
| 12:23.04 | timeless_mbp | not generally |
| 12:23.13 | timeless_mbp | you're assuming a very specific form of plumbing |
| 12:23.18 | timeless_mbp | which is unlikely to be present |
| 12:23.38 | oshin | well i have that in the framework ive been working on say gnustep |
| 12:23.43 | timeless_mbp | in Gecko's case, sometimes something like that works |
| 12:23.53 | oshin | add something we don't code, we fix the nibs |
| 12:24.07 | timeless_mbp | but in MicroB or Safari, you typically have a UI which maps a stringID to a number and a user visible string |
| 12:24.27 | timeless_mbp | the number is then specifically hard coded to do work in a couple of functions |
| 12:24.36 | timeless_mbp | so adding a new user visible string does nothing |
| 12:24.52 | timeless_mbp | because there's no hard coding on the other side for the other number to do what you want ™ |
| 12:25.10 | oshin | i think i better port libobjc2 to meego |
| 12:25.18 | oshin | thanks! |
| 12:25.22 | timeless_mbp | (this is definitely true for MicroB, how accurate it is for Safari, I can't say) |
| 12:25.50 | timeless_mbp | "have fun storming the castle" |
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| 12:27.10 | timeless_mbp | wonders if people recognize that line |
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| 12:27.51 | oshin | yeh it's cool |
| 12:28.29 | oshin | btw |
| 12:28.42 | oshin | when i say "ah works" it means argh i have some works to do. |
| 12:29.01 | oshin | i just found the conversaions' meaning went downhill lol |
| 12:29.53 | timeless_mbp | oh, you meant "ah, work :(", not "ah, [it] works" |
| 12:30.06 | timeless_mbp | sighs |
| 12:30.07 | oshin | yeh |
| 12:30.08 | oshin | lol |
| 12:30.11 | oshin | welll |
| 12:30.14 | timeless_mbp | see, getting things right is important |
| 12:30.15 | oshin | n/m |
| 12:30.17 | oshin | sure |
| 12:30.22 | oshin | but we can fixed it later |
| 12:30.25 | oshin | like now |
| 12:30.31 | timeless_mbp | depends |
| 12:30.37 | timeless_mbp | that requires someone to recognize there was a mistake |
| 12:30.43 | timeless_mbp | and it assumes no one storms off in a huff |
| 12:30.48 | timeless_mbp | (as Robot101 suggested) |
| 12:31.00 | oshin | just different approach on how to collecting expereience on how to producing error |
| 12:31.40 | oshin | i am thinking of something, sorry for the grammar |
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| 12:36.21 | pupnik_ | http://apps.open-pandora.org/cgi-bin/viewarea.pl?Games |
| 12:36.22 | pupnik_ | Games, portable to n900. There |
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| 12:47.40 | pupnik_ | is there any compiler that can obfusticate the resulting binary, maybe sign each with a unique hash? |
| 12:49.38 | MSJ1983 | more hames |
| 12:49.39 | MSJ1983 | :- |
| 12:49.42 | MSJ1983 | games :-) |
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| 12:52.52 | pupnik_ | MSJ1983: there are only a handful un-ported ones. but some look cool |
| 12:53.21 | MSJ1983 | jaii... |
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| 12:53.32 | MSJ1983 | somebody tried live wallpapers on the nokia n900 |
| 12:53.39 | MSJ1983 | myne crashes now all time |
| 12:53.46 | MSJ1983 | somebody know what do to |
| 12:54.06 | MSJ1983 | i can not make i normal again |
| 12:54.08 | MSJ1983 | plz help |
| 12:55.09 | lcuk | MSJ1983, hrm |
| 12:55.13 | lcuk | which specific ones are you trying |
| 12:55.24 | lcuk | and whats the actual errors and when do they happen |
| 12:55.35 | MSJ1983 | that withe ariplane |
| 12:55.37 | MSJ1983 | and city |
| 12:55.38 | MSJ1983 | thing |
| 12:55.41 | MSJ1983 | crap program |
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| 12:55.53 | xDaReaperx | Hey |
| 12:55.56 | xDaReaperx | how's everyone doing ? |
| 12:57.40 | pupnik_ | weee |
| 12:57.52 | MSJ1983 | somebody know if i reset the nokia n900 what happend to my contackts |
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| 12:58.50 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 12:59.08 | MohammadAG | top metal bar is making an annoying click whenever I touch it |
| 12:59.12 | MohammadAG | any fixes? |
| 12:59.33 | MSJ1983 | :_( |
| 13:00.40 | MohammadAG | lcuk, I noticed the new hildon-desktop (probably for PR1.3) has live-bg code in it |
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| 13:01.05 | lcuk | MohammadAG, its been there for a while, or do you mean new code |
| 13:02.03 | MohammadAG | not sure, but it has to do with the desktop bg not moving when live-bg is active |
| 13:02.14 | MohammadAG | which wasn't planned in the old PR1.2 live-bg |
| 13:02.57 | lcuk | afaik its there already, since livewp has option for one background over all screens as does gas balls |
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| 13:09.15 | xDaReaperx | Anyone from India here ? i needed to know if there were any stores where i could buy the N900 screen protector |
| 13:09.56 | SpeedEvil | I used ebay for mine. |
| 13:10.08 | SpeedEvil | Got a pack of 10, used 1 |
| 13:10.09 | SpeedEvil | 3 |
| 13:10.42 | xDaReaperx | Cost ? |
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| 13:11.23 | MohammadAG51 | got a DQC-160 |
| 13:11.24 | SpeedEvil | 3.99 pounds I think. |
| 13:11.26 | SpeedEvil | really cheap |
| 13:11.33 | xDaReaperx | omg thats so cheap |
| 13:11.46 | xDaReaperx | Martin Fields costs like 20 $ with shipping for 1 |
| 13:11.50 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 13:12.29 | SpeedEvil | I'm not saying these protectors fon't suck compred to an expensive one - but personally, they make the device no harder to use, and protect mys crren from scratches. |
| 13:12.30 | lcuk | was surprised by how many multitouch devices failed the boobie test |
| 13:13.17 | MohammadAG51 | boobie? test? |
| 13:13.53 | Chani | o.0 |
| 13:13.54 | MohammadAG51 | Vikuiti DQC-160, about €10 shipped i think |
| 13:13.54 | Appiah | controlling the device with boobs? |
| 13:14.11 | MohammadAG51 | using it since january |
| 13:14.16 | xDaReaperx | Ow .... Okay do they provide a clear display ? |
| 13:14.23 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, multitouch computers from lots of manufacturers, I played with a load of them and just try to draw 2 big circles on the screen one with each hand |
| 13:14.31 | MohammadAG51 | device got scratched, screen didn't |
| 13:14.33 | lcuk | like boobies |
| 13:14.52 | Chani | aww. that's a far less entertaining mental image ;) |
| 13:15.23 | lcuk | Chani, I walked out of the store leaving loads of screens with amusingly incorrect drawings |
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| 13:15.35 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 13:15.39 | Chani | hehe |
| 13:15.45 | lcuk | i removed the youtube of it, but I have the original video from earlier this year here.. |
| 13:16.00 | MohammadAG51 | liqbase.net? :P |
| 13:16.11 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.multitouch.boobies.fail.20100402_003.mp4 |
| 13:16.39 | lcuk | there was a hp dual mode slate which appeared to work better than naything :) it even had a stylus! |
| 13:16.45 | lcuk | anything ^ |
| 13:17.38 | xDaReaperx | should be on TPB |
| 13:18.09 | MohammadAG51 | i want to disassemble the screen |
| 13:18.13 | MohammadAG51 | but i'm scared |
| 13:18.35 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, my n900 is scratched o_O |
| 13:18.49 | lcuk | happened sometime on my trip |
| 13:19.02 | xDaReaperx | my N900's screen is scratched .. very lightly though .. caused by the stupid stylus |
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| 13:19.24 | MohammadAG51 | i pulled the headset out of my pocket, the n900 was connected, it didn't hold well so it hit the ground |
| 13:19.38 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, the stylus does not scratch the screen |
| 13:19.51 | lcuk | but it has a very small surface area and if it catches a piece of grit |
| 13:19.53 | MohammadAG51 | got a scratch on the battery cover |
| 13:19.58 | lcuk | it will carry it around |
| 13:20.00 | MohammadAG51 | and near the right speaker |
| 13:20.10 | lcuk | used a wet wipe on the plane and made it squeeky clean |
| 13:20.13 | MohammadAG51 | metal bar is still new, but it creaks at the top now |
| 13:20.41 | xDaReaperx | i don't know but when ever i use the stylus , while scrolling i fell like i'm scratching the screen |
| 13:20.56 | xDaReaperx | its barely visible , but i'd better get a screen protector |
| 13:21.31 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, I have learnt to feel that situation |
| 13:21.42 | lcuk | its like trying to write with a pencil with broken lead tip |
| 13:21.46 | lcuk | you "feel" it quickly |
| 13:21.51 | xDaReaperx | kind of |
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| 13:22.30 | lcuk | ahhh I also did that video: http://liqbase.net/liq.packard.bell.confused.multitouch.20100329_006.mp4 |
| 13:22.41 | xDaReaperx | lol |
| 13:23.48 | SpeedEvil | I found that a sharpened bit of twig was actually much less liably to grab grit than the pointer. |
| 13:23.52 | lcuk | its frustrating because microsoft surface components include multiplayer games |
| 13:23.54 | SpeedEvil | Oddly. |
| 13:24.15 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, potentially because the grit could be taken up into the wood a little |
| 13:24.24 | SpeedEvil | I _wrecked_ my first protector due to 'blocks'. |
| 13:24.30 | lcuk | haha |
| 13:24.34 | lcuk | i was once on the train |
| 13:24.45 | lcuk | and a woman next to me pulled out a dell axiom |
| 13:24.54 | lcuk | I couldnt see her actual screen pixels |
| 13:25.06 | lcuk | but the reflection caught her scratch marks |
| 13:25.42 | xDaReaperx | the internet says using a banana could remove scratches =/ |
| 13:25.53 | lcuk | and she must play solitaire every single day |
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| 13:26.18 | SpeedEvil | xDaReaperx: Rub a bananna in your eye, and you can't see scratches. |
| 13:26.28 | xDaReaperx | haha |
| 13:26.45 | SpeedEvil | In practice, removing scratches is very much harder trhan not creating them. |
| 13:26.59 | SpeedEvil | Also - the gel on the backof screen protectors will cover up most. |
| 13:27.17 | lcuk | once tried to remove a scratch from CRT with anti glare coating |
| 13:27.38 | SpeedEvil | I did that too. |
| 13:28.01 | SpeedEvil | I ended up going over the screen with SiC paper, to make it even, and then coating with linseed oil. |
| 13:28.09 | SpeedEvil | It worked surprisingly well. |
| 13:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 13:28.22 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
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| 13:28.44 | SpeedEvil | Actually. |
| 13:28.50 | SpeedEvil | More methane comes out of the mouth. |
| 13:30.18 | pupnik_ | curse infobot for putting that song in my head |
| 13:30.37 | xDaReaperx | lol srsly ? banana's : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfT9qfVkVQM |
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| 13:43.30 | xDaReaperx | sad thing is i can't buy online i'm like only 17 |
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| 13:43.49 | xDaReaperx | could have bought a screen protector online or else |
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| 13:45.16 | RST38h | yawns |
| 13:45.32 | RST38h | You can buy online even if you are only a dog |
| 13:45.57 | xDaReaperx | like how ? |
| 13:46.07 | xDaReaperx | i dont have a credit card ... also |
| 13:46.13 | xDaReaperx | not even a bank account lol |
| 13:46.24 | nidO | well your restriction isnt being 17 |
| 13:46.29 | nidO | its not having a bank account. |
| 13:46.49 | RST38h | They won't sell you booze, but you can probably get uranium chloride |
| 13:47.07 | xDaReaperx | meaning ? |
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| 13:48.24 | xDaReaperx | nidO: true |
| 13:48.28 | Myrtti | I've had a bank account since I was 5 |
| 13:48.36 | Myrtti | how can someone not have a bank account at 17? |
| 13:48.40 | Myrtti | *boggle* |
| 13:48.48 | xDaReaperx | nah i dont have one sadly no joke |
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| 13:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | Myrtti: tztztzz |
| 13:49.35 | MohammadAG | get a debit card? |
| 13:49.50 | xDaReaperx | hmm no , i have paypal with no cash in it |
| 13:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | lo MohammadAG |
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| 13:50.12 | MohammadAG | in Israel they let you buy one at any age, yet in other shops they think having a credit/debit card means your 18+ |
| 13:50.20 | MohammadAG | o/ DocScrutinizer |
| 13:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | hah!! now we got to the root issue - you got no MONEY |
| 13:50.38 | MohammadAG | xDaReaperx, go out and buy one |
| 13:50.43 | xDaReaperx | uh i get pocket money |
| 13:50.45 | MohammadAG | our local post office sells debit card |
| 13:50.47 | MohammadAG | s |
| 13:50.56 | xDaReaperx | hmm ok |
| 13:51.02 | MohammadAG | hi Termana *cracks knuckles* |
| 13:51.12 | Termana | errr hello |
| 13:51.18 | Termana | what have I done now? :p |
| 13:51.40 | MohammadAG | you showed up xP |
| 13:51.49 | Termana | heh :P |
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| 13:52.53 | RST38h | Myrrti: I did not have bank account at 17. |
| 13:53.33 | RST38h | But as I didn't have any money either, it didn't bother me:) |
| 13:53.35 | xDaReaperx | well i went to getjar.com yesterday and i wrote to them about including Maemo application softwares on their website and include support for the phones N770, N800 , N810 and N900, i got an email saying : We're working on it.Thanks, |
| 13:53.37 | Termana | xDaReaperx, resistive screens seem to scratch more easily and the worst bit about them is that you can actually feel and hear it as you use it (once you've scratched it - feels/sounds aweful) |
| 13:53.51 | Termana | Either resistive screens or maybe it's just Nokia's |
| 13:54.00 | lcuk | pokes VDVsx |
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| 13:54.06 | xDaReaperx | yes thats right ... thats why it feels weird while using the stylus to scroll and stuff |
| 13:54.10 | Termana | But I got it on my N810 and it seems to be starting on my n900 as well |
| 13:54.38 | DocScrutinizer | stares at N900 "switching on" from act_dead, like the 1000th time, wondering... |
| 13:55.06 | xDaReaperx | I don't know but , Nokia had better touch screen on the N97 |
| 13:55.27 | sivang | dashavoo: act_dead? |
| 13:55.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart xDaReaperx |
| 13:55.33 | infobot | turns xDaReaperx into a lifesized tux doll |
| 13:55.42 | dashavoo | sivang: huh? |
| 13:55.44 | xDaReaperx | wow lol |
| 13:56.13 | Termana | sivang, I think you meant DocScrutinizer |
| 13:56.19 | dashavoo | aah, tabcomplete fail |
| 13:56.20 | DocScrutinizer | ETAB |
| 13:56.48 | Termana | sivang, and act_dead is the state it's in when you plug the charger in when it's off and it starts booting and then goes "dead" |
| 13:57.14 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: act_dead aka "charging" aka possibly runlevel 1 |
| 13:58.16 | dashavoo | does anyone have any idea why I can't connect to the network using mobilehotspot? Months ago it worked fine, but nowadays it all seems to start ok but I can't connect. |
| 13:58.28 | DocScrutinizer | depending on a few config vars it can even run updates in that state, keep GSM data connections and whatnot |
| 13:58.34 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, when the device is charging, X is up |
| 13:58.34 | MohammadAG | no idea why |
| 13:58.51 | dashavoo | i was googling for the answer for a while, but there is only so much i can stand using the internet on a phone screen |
| 13:59.04 | MohammadAG | Termana, Nokia, the N900 scratches more than the N97 |
| 13:59.19 | xDaReaperx | yes thats what i meant ^ |
| 13:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I think that's heritage from N810/diablo where there was an always-on charging screen |
| 13:59.57 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, so it might be actually runlevel 5 |
| 14:00.07 | DocScrutinizer | or that |
| 14:00.13 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, the N900 has a charging screen, no battery indicator though |
| 14:00.28 | MohammadAG | the screen can be forced on by some changes to the kernel coupled with R&D mode |
| 14:00.43 | MohammadAG | it just shows the 5 moving dots continuously |
| 14:01.26 | DocScrutinizer | FFS |
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| 14:03.44 | dashavoo | damn this dodgy phone network >=( |
| 14:03.49 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I know, it's half baked and stupid |
| 14:04.00 | dashavoo | did anyone respond to my question by any chance? |
| 14:04.55 | DocScrutinizer | wtf? |
| 14:04.58 | DocScrutinizer | Oct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch' |
| 14:05.36 | DocScrutinizer | dashavoo: nope |
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| 14:05.38 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: OMGz |
| 14:05.39 | Scelt | any rumored change logs for pr1.3? |
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| 14:06.16 | sivang | Scelt: most centrainly it won't inclue the fix to the microb tap in problem :) |
| 14:06.37 | Appiah | There will be none! people will have to figure out what changed |
| 14:06.41 | Scelt | sivang: microb tap? |
| 14:06.52 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I had a feeling this what happens, I guess that it why when the battery is completely dead it goes bricked. |
| 14:07.06 | RST38h | Scelt: "None of the most popular bmo bugs will be fixed.Ever. " |
| 14:07.18 | lcuk | sivang, you mean it becomes unbootable for an unspecified amount of time |
| 14:07.19 | Scelt | RST38h: ;D |
| 14:07.32 | sivang | lcuk: heh, yeah soemthing like that |
| 14:07.32 | lcuk | normally once something is bricked, its only ever future usecase is as a brick in a wall :P |
| 14:07.43 | RST38h | laughs satanically and displays a pair of lightup horns |
| 14:07.50 | sivang | heh |
| 14:07.50 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: err sorry? |
| 14:07.56 | lcuk | RST38h, :D |
| 14:08.19 | lcuk | getting ready for halloween |
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| 14:08.24 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: Well, when you get the battery *completely* drained, and you need to restore the rootfs, |
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| 14:08.34 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: you need to charge the battery esle where |
| 14:08.49 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: since quite design errornously, it needs to boot to charge. |
| 14:09.02 | sivang | but I had a hunch since i saw messages are getting updated |
| 14:09.11 | xDaReaperx | can the N900 ever have Multi touch ? |
| 14:09.19 | Scelt | nope |
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| 14:09.30 | Termana | It already does |
| 14:09.40 | Termana | MAWAHAHAHA |
| 14:09.52 | MohammadAG | <DocScrutinizer> Oct 20 20:49:04 Nokia-N900-02-8 maemo-launcher[1507]: invoking '/usr/bin/worldclock.launch' |
| 14:10.07 | MohammadAG | it auto opens apps to speed up the way they launch |
| 14:10.10 | MohammadAG | ala iPhone I think |
| 14:10.17 | MohammadAG | edit the .desktop file to change that |
| 14:10.24 | Termana | Okay, so not traditional multi touch but you can do fake multi touch on it :p |
| 14:10.33 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: err, yes? known issue - though I don't agree on the part "quite design errornously," |
| 14:11.08 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: can you please explain? I would expect charging to not rely on anything that could block getting the device back into usable state |
| 14:11.10 | MohammadAG | Scelt, yes, PR1.3 solves the US recession problems |
| 14:11.19 | MohammadAG | Change, is coming! |
| 14:11.24 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: but then again, I'm not a hardware expert |
| 14:11.31 | xDaReaperx | Ow like that cool |
| 14:11.37 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: so this might be a technical constraint which is unsolveable |
| 14:11.40 | RST38h | Oh, Mohammad, REALLY? |
| 14:11.41 | Scelt | MohammadAG: wat is dat? |
| 14:11.55 | sivang | MohammadAG: PR1.3 has been announced? |
| 14:12.01 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: bq24150 charger chip isn't perfect, but among the best you can get for the given amount of money |
| 14:12.03 | MohammadAG | RST38h, yes, it also bring world peace |
| 14:12.13 | MohammadAG | and solves poverty and famine |
| 14:12.29 | RST38h | Anything about unicorns? |
| 14:12.29 | derf | It will also get you laid. |
| 14:12.33 | MohammadAG | sivang, in all seriousness, no, but it's coming |
| 14:12.45 | RST38h | derf: nooooooooooooo... |
| 14:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: Nokia could listen to my suggestion and include a 'hold C' mode for charging, to MOLO |
| 14:12.52 | DocScrutinizer | err Nolo |
| 14:12.56 | sivang | MohammadAG: I know it is coming, thought there was something new on that :) |
| 14:13.13 | RST38h | Doc: The first partof that sentence is guaranteed to be false. |
| 14:13.13 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: but they didn't? maybe you can suggest this to meego? |
| 14:13.17 | DocScrutinizer | but that's not a hw design issue |
| 14:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | meego doesn't deal with bootloaders |
| 14:13.39 | MohammadAG | sivang NOLO doesn't have to do with maemo or meego |
| 14:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | errr |
| 14:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it does :-) |
| 14:13.51 | MohammadAG | no |
| 14:13.54 | sivang | MohammadAG: as it is the boot loader? |
| 14:13.55 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 14:13.56 | MohammadAG | MeeGo chainloads using uboot |
| 14:14.04 | sivang | ah right |
| 14:14.10 | sivang | does this make things better? |
| 14:14.10 | DocScrutinizer | uBoot is a bootloader :-P |
| 14:14.22 | sivang | and NOLO is? |
| 14:14.23 | MohammadAG | true, but it doesn't have to do with nolo |
| 14:14.42 | MohammadAG | NOkia LOader |
| 14:14.45 | MohammadAG | or something |
| 14:14.47 | Termana | I still don't think it should need any user input, it should just play fucking dead and charge, not even try to boot. :P anyway |
| 14:15.01 | DocScrutinizer | NOLO is a bootloader as well |
| 14:15.05 | MohammadAG | Termana, flash a broken kernel, it'll do that |
| 14:15.26 | MohammadAG | but NOLO kicks brightness to 255, so it might use more power than the bq will supply |
| 14:15.31 | Termana | MohammadAG, sure, but who else is closer to Nokia than the MeeGo N900 adaptation team :p |
| 14:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | that's why the trick they are going to use for meego is called chainloading |
| 14:15.37 | sivang | Termana++ |
| 14:15.40 | MohammadAG | at least with the emergency charging stuff |
| 14:15.57 | Termana | MohammadAG, yes that's great (and I already knew it would do that), but it doesn't help when your battery is flat |
| 14:16.17 | Termana | and you have a reboot loop or something like that |
| 14:16.22 | MohammadAG | Termana, all finnish peeps :P |
| 14:16.24 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: technically act_dead is a fully booted state |
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| 14:16.45 | MohammadAG | Termana, that's the point, flash a kernel that kernel panics |
| 14:16.50 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, no, I mean act dead as in stay the hell off, not act_dead |
| 14:16.54 | MohammadAG | -> no reboot loop, it just drools there |
| 14:17.02 | Termana | MohammadAG, you can't flash when the battery is below a certain point |
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| 14:17.16 | MohammadAG | Termana, yes you can, use a knife on the flash |
| 14:17.44 | Termana | MohammadAG, FLASH, I don't want SLASH it |
| 14:17.47 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: it will charge to 3.7V maximum without booting, which isn't exactly what you'd expect it to do normally when "charging" |
| 14:18.21 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, and what's the minimum level to reflash? |
| 14:18.42 | DocScrutinizer | dunno, maybe 3.8V |
| 14:20.11 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, if it's for reflashing, then you'll need NOLO no matter what. So why not charge in NOLO (which means hardware *has* booted) rather than requiring hw to do the charging unattended |
| 14:21.05 | DocScrutinizer | or charge in uBoot for that behalf, as we can't patch NOLO that simply |
| 14:21.14 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, your solution of using a button to put it into a charging mode in NOLO is acceptable, certainly better than it is at the moment. |
| 14:21.34 | DocScrutinizer | OTOH with uBoot you got proper dual boot in place and can as well boot to a working OS for charging |
| 14:22.04 | Termana | I still think it's better for it to just stay off. Especially from a user point of view. |
| 14:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: nonsense |
| 14:22.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, the other thing with having to press a button is that you have to sit with it while it emergency charges and quickly hit it before it starts trying to boot. |
| 14:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | from a user POV it means you got no proper charging indication |
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| 14:22.57 | DocScrutinizer | all other aspects are not a bit different from user POV |
| 14:23.17 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, sure you do. My Desire shows an orange light while it's charging, and a green light when it's done |
| 14:23.34 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, what other output are you getting in act_dead? None |
| 14:23.44 | Termana | Just the LED |
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| 14:24.50 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: oh, you're discussing hardware mods now - the severe kind like ripping out whole charging circuit and replacing it by something different and much more expensive. Sure, you are free to do that, on your N900 :-P |
| 14:25.24 | Termana | heh :p |
| 14:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: and how the heck are you sure about your Desire is *not* booted to do the whole charging and LED blinkenlights? |
| 14:26.16 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, its not booted into USERSPACE. |
| 14:26.27 | DocScrutinizer | /kick Termana |
| 14:26.35 | xDaReaperx | meh |
| 14:26.35 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I know this because I completely wiped the userspace on it. |
| 14:27.08 | Termana | (and the charging mechanism continued functioning when off) |
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| 14:32.23 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: don't you think that's done in Desire's bootloader, just like I suggested doing it on N900? Why do you want to ruin your N900 by stupid hw mods, and why are you arguing with me about that, stealing my time? |
| 14:35.05 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, It is possibly done in the bootloader, but it shouldn't need to turn on and have the user press a button (which is your n900 solution), you should be able to just put it on the charger and leave it there. Secondly, I'm not doing stupid hardware mods I was comparing it to another device and as to your final question, you have nothing else to do and your in an IRC channel, so I am discussing the merits of what I feel is |
| 14:35.06 | Termana | a design flaw by Nokia with someone that has more brain capacity than someone on t.m.o |
| 14:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | sorry I don't get this. But I feel like I'm not actually interested in getting it |
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| 14:43.22 | eichi | hello, someone knows, how to get maps in the eCoach with N800? |
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| 14:49.31 | xDaReaperx | i use google latitude better than maps |
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| 15:10.09 | lardman | considers PythonQtObjectPtrs |
| 15:10.52 | MohammadAG | curses translating Python to C++ |
| 15:11.09 | lardman | perhaps PythonQt would be of interest then |
| 15:11.18 | MohammadAG | I hate python |
| 15:11.26 | lardman | Python scripting within C++/Qt |
| 15:11.33 | MohammadAG | and I'm 90% complete |
| 15:11.43 | lardman | Python is ok, at least it's quick and doesn't require a compiler |
| 15:11.55 | MohammadAG | but I'm stuck at the help window |
| 15:11.55 | lardman | and it also has lots of "libraries" available |
| 15:12.03 | MohammadAG | which is some ugly code imo |
| 15:12.05 | oshin | +1 hate py |
| 15:12.33 | lardman | wonders if implementing python plugins for mBarcode was a waste of time then! |
| 15:12.34 | oshin | love objective-c and can see everybody -1 for it |
| 15:13.04 | MohammadAG | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=jV7jtLY4 |
| 15:13.31 | MohammadAG | lardman, see how ugly that is ^? |
| 15:14.35 | lardman | hmm, interesting approach there |
| 15:15.19 | MohammadAG | there must be an easier way |
| 15:15.28 | MohammadAG | I just want a window with Phat Slim |
| 15:15.31 | MohammadAG | select model |
| 15:15.36 | MohammadAG | then it displays page 1 |
| 15:15.38 | MohammadAG | with next button |
| 15:15.41 | MohammadAG | page 2 with next/back |
| 15:15.58 | MohammadAG | next and back would use the next or previous image |
| 15:15.58 | lardman | big select{} |
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| 15:16.10 | MohammadAG | err? |
| 15:16.22 | lardman | but don't ask me, I just write procedural code :) |
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| 15:16.36 | pupnik | lardman: sometimes these things happen slowly |
| 15:16.47 | pupnik | is also procedural generation |
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| 15:17.13 | lardman | all in one fn, then use a variable to hold the page # and change the label contents accordingly |
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| 15:19.01 | frals | MohammadAG: dont blame the language when the developer has been writing shitting code ;) |
| 15:19.16 | MohammadAG | frals, python is slow, admit it :) |
| 15:19.35 | MohammadAG | fMMS is the slowest app (to start at least) on my N900 |
| 15:19.58 | MohammadAG | on a PC, you might notice it, but on a 600MHz device with a shitty eMMC... |
| 15:20.11 | frals | browser is slowe when not prestarted ;-) |
| 15:20.14 | lardman | Oooh, I've just received my first MMS, speaking of which |
| 15:20.31 | lardman | I wondered why my phone had decided to go online for no apparent reason |
| 15:20.47 | MohammadAG | frals, the browser loads a whole engine ;) |
| 15:21.04 | MohammadAG | frals, does fMMS have a daemon of some sort? |
| 15:21.09 | lardman | MohammadAG: that lurks in browserd afair |
| 15:21.12 | MohammadAG | I got an MMS notification and it wasn't running |
| 15:21.27 | frals | yes, the daemon is responsible for notifications etc |
| 15:21.34 | MohammadAG | ah |
| 15:21.42 | frals | ie the client doesnt have to be open :p |
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| 15:22.00 | lardman | Curious, I connected to my wifi connection, then fmms told me I'd need to change connection and afict it's just connected to it again |
| 15:22.01 | MohammadAG | frals, anyway, I've given up on python for large apps, eats too much memory and it's slow |
| 15:22.12 | MohammadAG | PSFreedom takes 12 seconds to load in Python, 4 in C++/Qt |
| 15:22.55 | frals | lardman: that part of the code is a tad buggy.. i blame icd2 for not doing as i tell it to ;) |
| 15:23.29 | lardman | so I should connect to the mms connection manually? |
| 15:23.44 | frals | lardman: yeah, thats the foolproof way of doing it |
| 15:24.06 | frals | MohammadAG: 12 seconds sounds a tad excessive.. but 4 in compiled sounds bad as well imo :D |
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| 15:24.15 | lardman | hmm, doesn't like the connection |
| 15:24.25 | lardman | perhaps that's why I've never managed to send an MMS |
| 15:25.40 | MohammadAG | frals, well, my N900 takes 6 mins to boot up, do the maths :P |
| 15:26.22 | frals | lardman: quite possibly :P |
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| 15:27.21 | lardman | one of those things I use so infrequently that I can never be bothered to track down where exactly it's failing |
| 15:27.23 | lardman | never mind |
| 15:27.30 | frals | MohammadAG: fmms starts in ~5secs on my device fwiw :p |
| 15:27.55 | frals | lardman: if you cant connect to the mms apn manually there is no way fmms can send/receive messages :) |
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| 15:28.37 | MohammadAG | frals 11 |
| 15:29.19 | lardman | frals: of course, but I used to be able to connect to the Vodafone one, though no messages could pass, and now it's automatically set me up with a wap.voicestream.com (iirc) server |
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| 15:31.36 | MohammadAG | slaps Noobmonk3y with a compiled frals |
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| 15:31.44 | Noobmonk3y | giggles |
| 15:31.46 | Noobmonk3y | waves |
| 15:31.47 | Noobmonk3y | lo alls |
| 15:31.53 | MohammadAG | my hands hurt :/ |
| 15:32.05 | lardman | too much slapping? |
| 15:32.07 | MohammadAG | curses rock band, continues playing |
| 15:32.08 | Noobmonk3y | lol!! |
| 15:32.11 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 15:34.31 | lardman | wonders how to return a QStringList from Python |
| 15:34.56 | Noobmonk3y | by feeding it bacon |
| 15:35.19 | lardman | no, feeding me bacon makes me look at the docs so I can write the right code ;) |
| 15:35.51 | Noobmonk3y | lol what ya doing with it? |
| 15:35.56 | Noobmonk3y | could chuck it into a list? |
| 15:36.03 | Noobmonk3y | QStringList list; |
| 15:36.07 | Noobmonk3y | list = str.split(","); |
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| 15:36.35 | lardman | am writing an mBarcode plugin which itself contains and handles all the Python plugins to be supported via PythonQt |
| 15:36.48 | Noobmonk3y | oooooooooo |
| 15:36.56 | kerio | BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:37.08 | kerio | Noobmonk3y: ";"? |
| 15:37.09 | kerio | wtf |
| 15:37.14 | lardman | I need to interogate each Python plugin to get things like name, description, which barcodes it wants to handle and pass them to the C++ code which handles the overall plugin arch |
| 15:37.31 | Noobmonk3y | lol kerio :P |
| 15:37.45 | Noobmonk3y | lard, that just sounds confusing :) |
| 15:38.01 | Pillum | Hangup tset: unknown terminal type xterm |
| 15:38.02 | lardman | yeah is pretty confusing |
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| 15:38.16 | Pillum | i cant change my scratchbox target |
| 15:38.17 | Noobmonk3y | wb lcuk |
| 15:38.25 | Pillum | can someone help me with that? |
| 15:38.31 | lardman | ignore the layered plugins bit, that's just so that mBarcode doesn't require people to install python unless they want to |
| 15:38.36 | lcuk | hey Noobmonk3y \o |
| 15:38.47 | lardman | hey lcuk |
| 15:38.47 | Noobmonk3y | hey hey ! :) |
| 15:38.50 | lcuk | Pillum, why not? run sb-menu, kill all the existing processes in current target then switch ? |
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| 15:39.00 | lcuk | hiya lardman \o |
| 15:39.59 | Pillum | lcuk: Hangup \n tset: unknown terminal type xterm \n Terminal type? |
| 15:40.04 | Pillum | using Ubuntu 10.10 |
| 15:40.33 | lcuk | Pillum, huh? at what point and was it working happily before you did this? |
| 15:40.39 | lcuk | and have you tried rebooting your ubuntu :P |
| 15:40.46 | Pillum | mom :D |
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| 15:41.01 | MohammadAG | Pillum, CTRL^C then start scratchbox again |
| 15:41.02 | Pillum | its a fresh sdk installation from yesterday |
| 15:41.04 | MohammadAG | I get the same |
| 15:41.07 | Pillum | didnt used it since then |
| 15:41.10 | MohammadAG | it'll switch targets properly |
| 15:41.16 | Pillum | k |
| 15:41.18 | MohammadAG | you just have to restart scratchbox |
| 15:41.34 | lcuk | lardman, are you a red or a white wine person? |
| 15:41.57 | lardman | red for sure |
| 15:41.58 | Pillum | is there a mlt package available for n900 yet? |
| 15:42.07 | Pillum | need that for audio/video cutter |
| 15:42.24 | lcuk | Pillum, try it and see |
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| 15:42.51 | Noobmonk3y | talkinf of wine... must be time for a quick glass :) |
| 15:42.56 | Noobmonk3y | talking* even |
| 15:43.09 | lcuk | anyone would think you had one already |
| 15:43.20 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 15:43.45 | lcuk | hey Noobmonk3y I met frals last week and contrary to popular beileve, he does not carry a quick release trout in a scabbard |
| 15:44.04 | Noobmonk3y | omg! and yay!!! - he came to the UK, or was this the meego convention thingy? |
| 15:44.07 | lardman | what about a pike? |
| 15:44.22 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, helsinki meego meetup |
| 15:44.31 | Noobmonk3y | luck - if he showed you his hidden trout supply, he would then have to kill u! |
| 15:44.31 | lcuk | lardman, that would fit better I assume |
| 15:44.39 | Noobmonk3y | omg - havnt been to sinki in 10+ years! |
| 15:45.34 | Noobmonk3y | brb |
| 15:45.39 | lcuk | \o |
| 15:45.49 | lardman | wonders if Noobmonk3y has a teleporter |
| 15:46.22 | lcuk | so lardman what goes better with chicken, red or white? |
| 15:47.10 | Noobmonk3y | white :P |
| 15:47.13 | lardman | yeah |
| 15:47.25 | lardman | though I'll drink red with anything |
| 15:47.28 | Noobmonk3y | unless you cook chicken + bacon, and then a fruity red :P |
| 15:47.44 | food_noob_lcuk | heh |
| 15:47.44 | mikki-kun | doesn't it partially depend on what sauce you are having for chicken? |
| 15:47.49 | lardman | yeah, with a strong sauce a more robust red might be applicable |
| 15:47.50 | food_noob_lcuk | found out mcdonalds do a BIG BACON |
| 15:48.02 | kerio | MORE BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
| 15:48.27 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 15:48.47 | MohammadAG | my HP laptop has some accelerometer process in windows |
| 15:48.48 | MohammadAG | I wonder if it has an accelerometer :O |
| 15:48.56 | lcuk | shall let hosts select fine wines to go with dinner :) |
| 15:49.07 | kerio | lcuk: MORE BACON DAMMIT |
| 15:49.13 | lcuk | MohammadAG, dont most laptops have accelerometer nowadays? |
| 15:49.21 | lcuk | even if the tech is in the harddrive |
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| 15:49.25 | lcuk | even my old x41 has one |
| 15:49.56 | SpeedEvil | ponders putting an accel and gyro and magno in laptop. |
| 15:50.04 | SpeedEvil | Probably silly. |
| 15:50.25 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, in a normal laptop its a bit wasteful |
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| 15:50.30 | lcuk | but in a slate its more practical |
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| 15:51.04 | MohammadAG | hmm, /sys/module/hp_accel |
| 15:51.05 | MohammadAG | 'HP accelerometer: free fall detection working, testers wanted' - MARC LOL |
| 15:51.13 | lcuk | haha |
| 15:51.20 | lcuk | n900fly |
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| 15:52.17 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 15:55.30 | pupnik | some days all i eat is ramen and popcorn |
| 15:55.33 | pupnik | that can't be good |
| 15:55.49 | Pillum | where is /usr/local located in the scratchbox? |
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| 15:56.15 | lcuk | pupnik, some days I eat rice only |
| 15:56.30 | RST38h | as long as you both eat daily... |
| 15:56.43 | Pillum | ah got it |
| 15:56.58 | MohammadAG | is there a way to get the number of a SIM card, without dialing anything? |
| 15:57.28 | jacekowski | no |
| 15:57.33 | jacekowski | number isn't stored on sim card |
| 15:58.29 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes. |
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| 15:58.45 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: It's just I'm about to be ordering the accel/gyro for the n900 |
| 15:59.04 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: And I have schematics for my x60s, and am taking it apart anyway to fix the case. |
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| 16:03.21 | Pillum | when try to run ppu-gcc i get this: bash: /usr/local/ps3dev/ppu/bin/ppu-gcc: No such file or directory |
| 16:03.32 | Pillum | it is in the path |
| 16:03.42 | Pillum | btw. im running this on scratchbox |
| 16:03.51 | Pillum | without scratchbox it runs fine |
| 16:04.21 | Pillum | changing to that dir manually doesnt help either |
| 16:04.56 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, yeah, I know it's assigned at the operator |
| 16:04.57 | MohammadAG | jacekowski, is there a way to get the number with fixed dialing active? |
| 16:05.10 | Pillum | fixed dialing? |
| 16:05.11 | MohammadAG | Pillum, umm, compiling the bins for PSFreedom should be done OUTSIDE scratchbox |
| 16:05.37 | Pillum | MohammadAG: just following this guide: http://psfreedom.com/wiki/Nokia_N900#Compile_using_kernel-power_.28titan.27s.29_maemo_kernel |
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| 16:19.03 | Pillum | latest psfreedom compiled for power kernel if someone needs it |
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| 16:37.39 | Noobmonk3y | bloody hell Nokia QT SDK takes aaaages to install! |
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| 16:43.07 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, installed in 5 minutes here |
| 16:43.21 | Noobmonk3y | meh - |
| 16:43.25 | MohammadAG | and I have to say it's awesome |
| 16:43.28 | Noobmonk3y | almost 1 hour 45 mins here so far, at 61% |
| 16:43.36 | MohammadAG | except for the madde bit where it removes any packages with the existing name |
| 16:43.37 | Noobmonk3y | ooo 63% |
| 16:45.21 | lcuk | RevdKathy, how is your Sunday going thusfar? |
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| 16:53.12 | RST38h | Fun, fun: http://gizmodo.com/5665968/massive-outage-nukes-older-peek-devices |
| 16:53.28 | RST38h | And you, people, complain about N900 sending a single SMS to Nokia... |
| 16:53.35 | Noobmonk3y | you people? |
| 16:53.43 | Noobmonk3y | or you, people even... |
| 16:53.44 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 16:54.50 | Noobmonk3y | meh, sdk installer stuck at 63% |
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| 16:58.47 | Noobmonk3y | "Downloading archive for component Madde Qt 4.6.2" - meh |
| 17:01.40 | Noobmonk3y | oo jumped 1% in 15 mins :| |
| 17:03.07 | RST38h | Noob: Accept that it doesn't like you, terminate, restart |
| 17:05.10 | Noobmonk3y | meh meh meh meh |
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| 17:07.24 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, downloading? |
| 17:07.28 | MohammadAG | I used the offline installer haha |
| 17:07.32 | Noobmonk3y | oh |
| 17:07.35 | Noobmonk3y | i used what it gave me |
| 17:08.18 | Noobmonk3y | ahhh, at 75% now |
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| 17:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~hostmode |
| 17:35.29 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
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| 17:44.53 | alterego | Hrm, I reflashed eMMC and rootfs the otherday and now Ovi store isn't working, anyone know why? |
| 17:45.06 | Noobmonk3y | alterego: ovi store not working, sounds like a fix to me ;) |
| 17:45.49 | Surfa | well, you'd miss couple of good apps and games |
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| 17:46.28 | alterego | Yeah, I wanna download some stuff I bought :P |
| 17:46.42 | alterego | Some stuff I bought that I've not backed up ;) |
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| 17:46.59 | Noobmonk3y | ahhhhhhhhhhhh |
| 17:47.03 | Noobmonk3y | whats the error? |
| 17:47.27 | alterego | Takes me to the maemo ovi page |
| 17:47.35 | alterego | Which says update the software O_o |
| 17:47.53 | alterego | I remmeber this being a known issue with some users a while ago. |
| 17:48.54 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmm, have seen it before bu i'm a bit rusty, you need some brains like MohammadAG or lcuk to assist :) |
| 17:49.21 | alterego | This is basically the issue: http://www.lookatbowen.com/2010/06/how-to-avoid-ovi-store-not-working-on-n900 |
| 17:49.27 | lcuk | my brain is offline this weekend |
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| 17:50.09 | Noobmonk3y | 94% GOOOOOOOOOOO AWWWWWWWWWWWWWN installer! |
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| 17:50.26 | alterego | Oh, hahah |
| 17:50.32 | MohammadAG | alterego, osso-product-info -s OSSO_VERSION="RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_MR0" |
| 17:50.34 | alterego | I forgot I installed that ^.^ |
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| 17:51.45 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:51.58 | Noobmonk3y | knew that mo had some hidden braininess somewhere :) |
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| 17:53.09 | alterego | Seems after I installed that user agent switcher it screwed it up. |
| 17:53.14 | alterego | Figures. :) |
| 17:53.26 | MohammadAG | lol Noobmonk3y |
| 17:53.34 | MohammadAG | it's the command I use in the SSU package |
| 17:53.36 | MohammadAG | so ovi doesn't break |
| 17:53.44 | Noobmonk3y | ;) |
| 17:54.01 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, rewrite healthcheck in C++/Qt :) |
| 17:54.22 | lcuk | rewrite it in asm/qt |
| 17:55.08 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: as soon as it actually installs i might get round to it! had today free! but spent most of it looking at this darn installer! |
| 17:55.16 | MohammadAG | lcuk, rewrite liqbase in whitespace |
| 17:55.25 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: i agree, lcuk should do that |
| 17:55.34 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, should've downloaded the offline installer lol |
| 17:55.35 | Noobmonk3y | the weird thing, he probably could lol |
| 17:55.40 | MohammadAG | 900MBs, but it installs in 5 minutes |
| 17:55.46 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: i should have got a better tinterweb connection |
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| 17:56.10 | MohammadAG | it might be bad, but mine isn't better lol |
| 17:56.19 | MohammadAG | I finally found a freenode server that doesn't lag |
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| 17:56.29 | Noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 17:59.51 | lcuk | MohammadAG, Noobmonk3y - whitespace is a tricky language, but I can write native brainf*ck and transliterate into whitespace code if you like |
| 18:00.14 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha :P :) |
| 18:00.33 | MohammadAG | lcuk, fine by me, I'll shit bricks when I see the binary |
| 18:00.52 | Noobmonk3y | w0000p 96%! |
| 18:00.54 | kerio | braincopter is way better |
| 18:01.10 | lcuk | brainf*ck is fairly logical, afaik its turing complete too |
| 18:01.24 | kerio | malbolge is turing complete too, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to use it |
| 18:01.41 | lcuk | reasonable |
| 18:01.42 | SpeedEvil | piet is also turing complete. |
| 18:02.03 | lcuk | but seeing as if github thinks liqbase playground is already written in visual basic, I don't suppose brainf*ck is much more difficult :P |
| 18:02.15 | kerio | braincopter is better than piet |
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| 18:02.22 | SpeedEvil | Piet and liqbase would seem to go together. |
| 18:02.27 | lcuk | should get his visual basic -> liq* generating qt projects someday |
| 18:02.46 | kerio | i know of a guy working on a c2bf converter |
| 18:02.48 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, :D |
| 18:02.55 | lcuk | kerio, thats easy |
| 18:02.59 | lcuk | try perl2bf |
| 18:03.28 | lcuk | kerio -> for c, get gcc to generate asm, then generate bf direct from the asm |
| 18:03.41 | kerio | lcuk: pypy to c to asm to bf! |
| 18:03.54 | lcuk | now we are talking! |
| 18:03.58 | Noobmonk3y | actually did some assembly language last week and was proud i remembered it :) |
| 18:04.01 | MohammadAG | loves it when this channel goes off topic |
| 18:04.11 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: there is a topic? shit! |
| 18:04.13 | MohammadAG | doesn't happen a lot in #ubuntu :P |
| 18:04.14 | SpeedEvil | has been on-an-off coding a bitsliced GPS correlator. |
| 18:04.24 | SpeedEvil | Bitslicing is fun. |
| 18:04.32 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, I'm not complaining |
| 18:04.35 | Noobmonk3y | yayyyyyyyyyyyy installinginging! |
| 18:04.53 | MohammadAG | also loves how some people haven't left the community |
| 18:05.03 | MohammadAG | momentum back in december was better |
| 18:05.04 | Noobmonk3y | is still here, most of the time! :P |
| 18:05.29 | Noobmonk3y | i'm still gonna try a healthcheck version that works on the n8, n900 etc |
| 18:05.34 | MohammadAG | I remember when I used to see lots of [Announce] threads |
| 18:05.39 | Noobmonk3y | just need other phones to test it on :P |
| 18:05.43 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, impossible imo |
| 18:05.56 | Noobmonk3y | lol MohammadAG nothing is impossible, except world peace :P |
| 18:05.57 | MohammadAG | Symbian doesn't use /sys |
| 18:06.02 | MohammadAG | or /proc |
| 18:06.13 | MohammadAG | world peace is possible, just nuke all 7 continents |
| 18:06.24 | Noobmonk3y | the penguins will revolt! |
| 18:06.27 | kerio | ATLANTIS PREVAILS! |
| 18:06.39 | lcuk | MohammadAG, [announce] threads come and advance as they do and people hack and work on stuff in fits and spurts |
| 18:06.41 | Noobmonk3y | penguins with frikkin lasers v atlantians... cool! |
| 18:06.47 | kerio | i still haven't tried pypy btw :< |
| 18:06.52 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: more fits than spurts |
| 18:06.59 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, :) |
| 18:07.10 | lcuk | its like buses |
| 18:07.12 | Noobmonk3y | hehe, RevdKathy - keeping v quiet :P |
| 18:07.14 | MohammadAG | lcuk, true, I just enjoyed it more when others were there to help |
| 18:07.18 | Jartza | \o/ |
| 18:07.22 | lcuk | you wait a couple of weeks for an announce thread and you get 3 together at once :P |
| 18:07.31 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk: better then taxi's - 30 come every 2 minutes and 29 try to rip you off :p |
| 18:07.35 | MohammadAG | qwerty12 was a huge loss tbh :( |
| 18:07.37 | RevdKathy | Didn't think anyone had noticed I was here! |
| 18:07.44 | Noobmonk3y | hmmm, i agree MohammadAG , |
| 18:07.51 | Noobmonk3y | RevdKathy: how could we not notice? :) |
| 18:07.52 | lcuk | noticed |
| 18:07.53 | MohammadAG | heya RevdKathy |
| 18:07.56 | Jartza | I'm going to become nokia certified trainer \o/ |
| 18:08.00 | lcuk | i even spoke to you |
| 18:08.03 | MohammadAG | too |
| 18:08.04 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk actually said hi to you earlier ;) |
| 18:08.11 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:08.11 | Noobmonk3y | needs a new job |
| 18:08.15 | Noobmonk3y | anyone got any jobs going? |
| 18:08.17 | lcuk | Jartza, :D nice |
| 18:08.18 | RevdKathy | You did? Not in red - I'd have noticed! |
| 18:08.25 | Noobmonk3y | RevdKathy: lol... |
| 18:08.27 | DocScrutinizer | RevdKathy: o/ |
| 18:08.33 | MohammadAG | pries off Noobmonk3y's X button |
| 18:08.40 | RevdKathy | LOL brains slowly atrophying, I think |
| 18:08.45 | MohammadAG | just in case the missus is talking to you while you're IRCing |
| 18:08.50 | RevdKathy | Evening one and all properly, then. |
| 18:08.53 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 18:08.59 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: she's back in 30 mins |
| 18:09.03 | Jartza | it doesn't change that much, except I can finally use something as a reference |
| 18:09.06 | Jartza | :D |
| 18:09.28 | MohammadAG | puts Noobmonk3y's X button back where it belongs |
| 18:09.29 | lcuk | RevdKathy, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-17.log.html#t2010-10-17T19:45:21 |
| 18:09.33 | Jartza | all the other commitments or tasks are under NDA, so can't tell :D |
| 18:09.34 | MohammadAG | next to the M button |
| 18:09.50 | lcuk | Jartza, whizbang |
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| 18:11.02 | Jartza | customers give me the funny eye always when I tell them that I'm competent but can't really show it because of NDA :) |
| 18:11.21 | lcuk | Jartza, you are telling them wrong |
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| 18:11.42 | lcuk | "I can offer oyu a brief overview of my work, but unfortunately I must remove your eyeballs after" |
| 18:11.44 | RevdKathy | Ah you may have spoken to me when my n900 accidentally signed me in and I hadn't noticed? |
| 18:11.57 | lcuk | idk |
| 18:11.59 | Jartza | lcuk: :) |
| 18:12.26 | lcuk | Jartza, you could offer other alternatives for people who wish to remove specific pieces of bodywork |
| 18:12.57 | lcuk | luke was talking about the extra weight his front brakes on his bmx added, so he removed them |
| 18:12.59 | Jartza | hmm. there's an idea |
| 18:13.12 | lcuk | following this through to its natural conclusion, he will be doing stunts on a unicycle soon |
| 18:13.29 | Jartza | I can tell you. it only costs a tongue. |
| 18:13.50 | lcuk | tongues are important |
| 18:14.04 | Jartza | so are brakes? :) |
| 18:14.23 | RST38h | wheels are unimportant |
| 18:14.23 | RevdKathy | remembers reading"The Little Mermaid" as a child and being terrified |
| 18:14.33 | RST38h | they are in you head |
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| 18:14.37 | lcuk | he launches himself over big ramps and quarterpipes, I think the brakes just give him a way to bail out! |
| 18:15.55 | f0rkb0mb | anyone else got airodump-ng on the n900 running, and has the problem that channel hopping doesnt work ? it always sticks to channel 1 |
| 18:17.41 | MohammadAG | you can't get it to work on the stock kernel |
| 18:18.32 | f0rkb0mb | well it works for channel 1 |
| 18:19.07 | MohammadAG | monitor mode needs kernel-power |
| 18:19.13 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, would you happen to know why when I run petrovich from cli it gives this error ? |
| 18:19.13 | MohammadAG | injection needs neopwn's kernels |
| 18:19.15 | _trine | http://dpaste.com/259293/ |
| 18:19.33 | f0rkb0mb | i dont want injection, i just want the promisc mode |
| 18:20.20 | f0rkb0mb | for all channels not just for ch1 |
| 18:20.57 | Myrtti | <PROTECTED> |
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| 18:28.24 | DocScrutinizer | _trine: no idea. But aiui petrovich is obsolete as HFM has obex sharing over BT now |
| 18:29.42 | tobis87 | f0rkb0mb: The monitor patch applied to the wireless module, compiled for the stock kernel; http://www.mediafire.com/?ydy49ndggnty846 |
| 18:30.28 | f0rkb0mb | thank, will have a look |
| 18:30.53 | _trine | DocScrutinizer, can you be more explicit because I dont know what HFM is but I could guess Hildon file something |
| 18:31.26 | DocScrutinizer | hildon file manager |
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| 18:31.34 | DocScrutinizer | aka File Manager |
| 18:31.36 | _trine | where is that on the n900 |
| 18:31.39 | _trine | ah |
| 18:31.47 | _trine | you answered |
| 18:32.32 | MohammadAG | prefers filebox |
| 18:32.37 | _trine | I have seen HFM but to be honest it looks very messy |
| 18:32.41 | MohammadAG | hildon-fm lags a lot |
| 18:32.57 | _trine | I have filebox and that is much better |
| 18:33.13 | _trine | but petrovich was nice in its simplicity |
| 18:33.31 | tobis87 | f0rkb0mb: Backup the wl12xx.ko kernel module, copy the new, run depmod -ae and reboot it. Conky should then display the connection rate correctly. |
| 18:33.46 | tobis87 | and monitor should worl |
| 18:34.22 | slonopotamus | n910? |
| 18:34.25 | _trine | has neopwn not gone public yet |
| 18:34.45 | f0rkb0mb | kk |
| 18:35.28 | _trine | MohammadAG, do you know if neopwn has gone public like they promised ? |
| 18:35.47 | tobis87 | I would be interested, what changes have been made for the neopwn kernel. |
| 18:37.05 | _trine | tobis87, it was just the wifi drivers as far as I know that were needed |
| 18:37.18 | tobis87 | Because loading the hacked neopwn modules (vermagic modified and __versions striped) into the stock kernel forces a reboot. |
| 18:37.20 | _trine | although there was a modified kernel |
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| 18:38.05 | _trine | but the modified kernel was not part of neopwn |
| 18:38.13 | MohammadAG | _trine, no, he didn't |
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| 18:38.38 | MohammadAG | the modified kernel is all that's needed |
| 18:38.52 | _trine | MohammadAG, I dont understand how he can get away with that |
| 18:39.16 | MohammadAG | _trine, ping swc|666 when he's here |
| 18:39.20 | _trine | will the injection work without the new drivers |
| 18:39.21 | MohammadAG | ~seen swc|666 |
| 18:39.32 | infobot | swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 16d 9h 41m 35s ago, saying: 'chmod -x $(which banshee) .. j/k'. |
| 18:39.46 | _trine | MohammadAG, where does he fit into this ? |
| 18:40.48 | _trine | I'm absolutly surprised there has not been a torrent for it |
| 18:40.58 | MohammadAG | strips infobot's reply |
| 18:41.04 | MohammadAG | swc|666 <~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821> |
| 18:41.06 | MohammadAG | swc|666 <~neopwn |
| 18:41.07 | Noobmonk3y | blinks |
| 18:41.31 | _trine | well he should be asked why its not public AS PROMISED |
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| 18:42.28 | D-Iivil | Is it possible to build Qt apps on the device (n900)? |
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| 18:42.57 | D-Iivil | I'm away from pc, but have the sources and would like to compile it and try it out. |
| 18:43.19 | D-Iivil | Installing libqt4-dev and then running qmake project.pro gives error: |
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| 18:44.06 | pupnik | "I think shyness is a myth, ppl dont drink to be less shy around girls, they drink because sober they know better than to get involved with them." -kermit |
| 18:44.17 | MohammadAG | D-Iivil, no gcc |
| 18:44.18 | D-Iivil | /usr/bin/qmake: line 1: syntax error: "(" unexpected |
| 18:44.23 | tobis87 | I could use the drivers with injection, but only if I also flash a kernel which was modified and I don't know what was changed. I also don't have the kernel headers for this kernel. Therefore I stay with the monitor "only" patched driver and wait until it has been reverse engineered, if ever. |
| 18:45.26 | _trine | perhaps in the interests of justice it should be pirated |
| 18:45.29 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, no gcc? Like no go? |
| 18:45.43 | MohammadAG | gcc = compiler |
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| 18:45.51 | MohammadAG | libqt4-dev = headers |
| 18:45.56 | MohammadAG | you need both |
| 18:45.58 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:46.24 | MohammadAG | lcuk, got gcc on his N900, but it takes a huge space in / |
| 18:47.20 | D-Iivil | ok. Thanks for clearing that out :) |
| 18:47.51 | D-Iivil | So there's no relatively easy way to compile qt apps on device? |
| 18:48.11 | D-Iivil | is sick of remote desktopping to pc over gsm... |
| 18:48.22 | lcuk | yes MohammadAG |
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| 18:48.58 | lcuk | build-essential should be run through and optified, but the sdk components are not geared for on device so theres no official reason to request the change |
| 18:49.10 | lcuk | it would be nice too though :) |
| 18:50.16 | MohammadAG | D-Iivil, other than a chroot, no |
| 18:50.21 | D-Iivil | How about installing the whole scratchbox to device? |
| 18:50.23 | MohammadAG | lcuk, agreed |
| 18:50.39 | MohammadAG | chroot |
| 18:50.47 | D-Iivil | I mean if it's possible to run easy debian... |
| 18:51.04 | MohammadAG | scratchbox is a cross compiler, when compiling on the N900 you're natively compiling it |
| 18:51.18 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, give me something to google for please :) |
| 18:51.22 | MohammadAG | qole got an image |
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| 18:51.41 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, chroot gives way too many hits :P |
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| 18:52.22 | MohammadAG | D-Iivil, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=786521&postcount=3 |
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| 18:53.25 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, thx! |
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| 19:01.09 | MohammadAG | he probably started extracting the image lol |
| 19:01.17 | MohammadAG | watches as dd rapes his N900 |
| 19:01.26 | MohammadAG | it's not responding to anything |
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| 19:02.08 | pupnik | MohammadAG: yeah that's not the friendliest command to use |
| 19:02.27 | MohammadAG | pupnik, I know, I was just too lazy to enable mass storage |
| 19:02.33 | pupnik | try various block-sizes |
| 19:02.43 | pupnik | i never got around to benchmarking that |
| 19:02.53 | MohammadAG | dd if=/dev/zero of=/home/user/MyDocs/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2 count=2097152 |
| 19:02.56 | pupnik | i also suspect maybe there's a lower level prefetch |
| 19:03.03 | pupnik | bs=.... |
| 19:03.21 | MohammadAG | I wonder what the load is |
| 19:03.29 | pupnik | but i think the system slowdown comes from something at kernel level |
| 19:03.37 | MohammadAG | not responding to ssh |
| 19:03.40 | pupnik | right |
| 19:03.49 | MohammadAG | Load average: 14.20 10.61 5. |
| 19:04.50 | pupnik | maybe someone smart knows more |
| 19:05.46 | ShadowJK | It's IO contention |
| 19:05.49 | ShadowJK | the mmc doesn't multitask |
| 19:06.00 | ShadowJK | And the kernel is trying to make it do that |
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| 19:06.35 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, so it's a kernel bug |
| 19:08.30 | pupnik | ty ShadowJK |
| 19:09.24 | MohammadAG | something that can probably be fixed |
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| 19:12.51 | ShadowJK | It's more of a missing feature thing |
| 19:13.18 | ShadowJK | But a workaround is to set swappiness to 1 before doing any heavy IO |
| 19:14.04 | MohammadAG | too late I guess |
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| 19:18.33 | pupnik | aha! |
| 19:20.27 | dreamer | hey, anyone here can open the player on thedailyshow.com? |
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| 19:29.30 | summel | whats with the recent strange entries on planet maemo? |
| 19:31.04 | MohammadAG | pings Jaffa |
| 19:31.18 | summel | who is roger sperberg? |
| 19:32.52 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, I got the chrooted sdk running fine and installing Nokia binaries atm. Just one question; how can I copy my stuff located under MyDocs to chrooted sdk for compiling? |
| 19:33.15 | MohammadAG | mount it and use cp :P |
| 19:33.44 | D-Iivil | MohammadAG, mount which and from where? :) I know I have to mount, but what and how? |
| 19:34.02 | MohammadAG | where did you mount it to install nokia-binaries |
| 19:34.15 | D-Iivil | "/sdk |
| 19:34.35 | D-Iivil | qchroot image /sdk |
| 19:35.51 | D-Iivil | If that's what you asked... |
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| 19:40.45 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: QT Designer error on run? - hmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory |
| 19:40.47 | Noobmonk3y | meh |
| 19:41.21 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, so I guess that means you need to refine the tests :P |
| 19:44.32 | Noobmonk3y | lol trying to run something on my device, i think:P |
| 19:44.57 | Noobmonk3y | it can communicate with the n900 - but assuming not copying the files |
| 19:47.11 | MohammadAG | install madde on your device |
| 19:47.28 | Noobmonk3y | have done |
| 19:47.46 | Noobmonk3y | but using root to install, when i try the developer user + generated password it doesnt connect |
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| 19:48.49 | alterego | I'm guessing your program is called Healthcheck? |
| 19:50.59 | RevdKathy | Saying Goodnight folks. |
| 19:51.08 | RevdKathy | Lcuk - I'll email in the morning |
| 19:51.14 | RevdKathy | Night all! |
| 19:52.45 | Noobmonk3y | hehe yeah alterego |
| 19:52.53 | Noobmonk3y | just gonna try and redesign it |
| 19:52.58 | Noobmonk3y | using qt designer |
| 19:52.59 | alterego | Have you checked it's there? |
| 19:53.02 | Noobmonk3y | the current one is pyqt |
| 19:53.05 | alterego | Under /usr/local/bin ? |
| 19:53.07 | Noobmonk3y | well, nope it isnt :p |
| 19:53.13 | Noobmonk3y | i assumed it would copy it |
| 19:53.19 | alterego | Okay, so it's not on run, it's on deploy. |
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| 19:53.31 | alterego | Deploy is done with dpkg at the moment. |
| 19:53.36 | Noobmonk3y | sorry my first time using qt designer |
| 19:53.42 | Noobmonk3y | oh, so cant do it in qt deisgner? |
| 19:53.54 | Noobmonk3y | designer? |
| 19:53.56 | alterego | I think the problem is the fact you can't get it to work with the developer user account |
| 19:54.12 | Noobmonk3y | will try again |
| 19:54.31 | alterego | Because sudo dpkg as root doesn't work, I'm guessing. |
| 19:55.06 | alterego | What you wanna do is get it to work using mad-developer on the device and integrated with Qt Creator, then deploy an SSH key and you shouldn't have the authentication problem again. |
| 19:56.11 | Noobmonk3y | ahhhhhh it makes sense in a foreign kinda way lol! |
| 19:56.17 | alterego | :) |
| 19:56.41 | Noobmonk3y | so i need to figure out how to get the ssh key bit across first i assume? |
| 19:56.55 | alterego | Well, Qt Creator has a deploy ssh key feature |
| 19:57.03 | alterego | But you need to get it to work with a password first. |
| 19:57.28 | alterego | You can however do it manually yourself. |
| 19:57.33 | MohammadAG | don't use Qt Designer alone |
| 19:57.44 | MohammadAG | use it inside Qt Creator |
| 19:57.53 | Noobmonk3y | i'm in qtcreator |
| 19:57.56 | alterego | MohammadAG: I don't think he is, I think he's just confused. |
| 19:58.00 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 19:58.03 | Noobmonk3y | = confused |
| 19:58.11 | alterego | :) |
| 19:58.31 | alterego | Would you like me to walk you through setting up an N900 with Qt Creator? |
| 19:58.53 | Noobmonk3y | awww you are great if you have a spare few mins that would be cool! :) |
| 19:59.15 | Noobmonk3y | got mad developer running on the n900 - so done the basics i think |
| 19:59.27 | alterego | Okay, start Qt Creator then |
| 19:59.31 | Noobmonk3y | done! |
| 19:59.41 | alterego | Are you running on Windows btw? |
| 19:59.44 | Noobmonk3y | win 7 |
| 19:59.50 | alterego | Oh, hrm .. |
| 19:59.53 | Noobmonk3y | hehe |
| 19:59.59 | Noobmonk3y | = pain in the ass |
| 20:00.14 | alterego | This should all still work the same, I would have thought, but I've not used Win 7 + maemo |
| 20:00.17 | alterego | Do you have putty? |
| 20:00.21 | Noobmonk3y | cool! - well this may be a first |
| 20:00.35 | Noobmonk3y | nope but i can do, i have winscp |
| 20:00.46 | alterego | Well, that'll do actually ;) |
| 20:01.25 | Noobmonk3y | (and it connects!) lol |
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| 20:02.38 | alterego | I want you to try connecting to the N900 via usb networking using the developer user account and the password it says in mad-developer |
| 20:03.03 | alterego | Or are you using wifi or something? |
| 20:03.03 | Noobmonk3y | oh, usb? pooooooo! |
| 20:03.07 | Noobmonk3y | using wifi :P |
| 20:03.14 | Noobmonk3y | it connects fine though :) |
| 20:03.14 | alterego | Okay, using wifi then :) |
| 20:03.21 | Noobmonk3y | will try the madde one though |
| 20:03.22 | Noobmonk3y | 2 secs |
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| 20:04.42 | Noobmonk3y | yup connects fine |
| 20:05.02 | alterego | Okay, in Qt Creator, go Tools->Options->Projects->Maemo Device Configurations |
| 20:05.08 | Noobmonk3y | done |
| 20:05.28 | Noobmonk3y | got one pre-setup (as much as i can) |
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| 20:05.42 | alterego | So you've entered the correct IP address? |
| 20:05.45 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 20:05.51 | alterego | And username and password? |
| 20:05.52 | Noobmonk3y | just double checked |
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| 20:06.00 | alterego | Okay, click Test then |
| 20:06.10 | Noobmonk3y | yup |
| 20:06.18 | Noobmonk3y | ooooooooo |
| 20:06.20 | alterego | What does it say? |
| 20:06.21 | Noobmonk3y | working now! |
| 20:06.24 | Noobmonk3y | how random! |
| 20:06.32 | Noobmonk3y | test works |
| 20:06.58 | alterego | Okay, well close mad-developer |
| 20:07.04 | Noobmonk3y | done |
| 20:07.05 | alterego | You shouldn't need to run that any more |
| 20:07.09 | Noobmonk3y | cool! |
| 20:07.14 | alterego | And everything else should be working fine now |
| 20:07.36 | alterego | As you're using windows, don't bother setting up a key because I don't know how that works under windows. |
| 20:07.40 | Noobmonk3y | hmmmm - when you close madde developer though it looses the password |
| 20:07.52 | alterego | Ah |
| 20:08.01 | Noobmonk3y | so i have to use a key? |
| 20:08.02 | alterego | Okay, close mad-developer |
| 20:08.06 | Noobmonk3y | done |
| 20:08.15 | alterego | and as root on the N900 type: passwd developer |
| 20:08.21 | Noobmonk3y | oo clever! |
| 20:08.21 | alterego | And enter in that password again. |
| 20:09.15 | Noobmonk3y | Cool thats done |
| 20:09.17 | Noobmonk3y | although.......... |
| 20:09.21 | alterego | Anyhow, provided you dont run mad-developer again that should all stay persistant. |
| 20:09.36 | Noobmonk3y | i'm assuming 'run' doesnt just work, as it keeps saying cant connect |
| 20:09.39 | Noobmonk3y | yet test works fine |
| 20:09.46 | alterego | Hrm .. |
| 20:10.21 | Noobmonk3y | oooo |
| 20:10.22 | Noobmonk3y | maybe not |
| 20:10.27 | alterego | ;) |
| 20:10.28 | Noobmonk3y | (Reading database ... Finished running remote process. |
| 20:10.33 | Noobmonk3y | but nothing on the deviec :P |
| 20:10.36 | Noobmonk3y | device* |
| 20:10.45 | alterego | Give it a bit |
| 20:10.50 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:11.00 | alterego | Can take some time, that's it using dpkg |
| 20:11.13 | Noobmonk3y | okey dokey! |
| 20:11.22 | alterego | Well, shouldn't take this long. |
| 20:11.22 | Noobmonk3y | processor doesnt look to be doing much, will try again |
| 20:11.33 | alterego | Try killing that and doing it agagin |
| 20:11.34 | Noobmonk3y | chmod: /usr/local/bin/Healthcheck: No such file or directory |
| 20:11.38 | Noobmonk3y | :p |
| 20:11.50 | alterego | Interesting |
| 20:12.09 | Noobmonk3y | sorry missed that b4, but thats the error |
| 20:12.14 | MohammadAG | fail xD |
| 20:12.16 | Noobmonk3y | but just checked test, working fine |
| 20:12.19 | MohammadAG | what did it install then |
| 20:12.21 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: .... yup :( |
| 20:12.27 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: boobies |
| 20:12.41 | MohammadAG | nice |
| 20:12.48 | alterego | Yeah would like to see that deb |
| 20:12.53 | Noobmonk3y | :P |
| 20:12.57 | MohammadAG | boobies_0.0.1.deb |
| 20:13.04 | alterego | What does this app actually do? Is it just a "hello, world" type thing right now? |
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| 20:13.50 | Noobmonk3y | alterego: pretty much, just the windows with no major code |
| 20:14.04 | Noobmonk3y | 8008135.deb you mean? |
| 20:14.33 | MohammadAG | I think that's how it names shit |
| 20:14.54 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:15.00 | alterego | Well, I've got to run now, if you catch me or Venemo tomorrow one of us can help you |
| 20:15.16 | alterego | I'd recommend having a look at the contents of the generated .deb file. |
| 20:15.27 | Noobmonk3y | darn it |
| 20:15.28 | alterego | It'll be in your project-build directory and on the device in /home/developer |
| 20:15.29 | Noobmonk3y | sounds geeky |
| 20:15.31 | evil|Jonne | umm, wtf happened to planet maemo? |
| 20:15.37 | Noobmonk3y | thank you alterego :) |
| 20:15.40 | Noobmonk3y | very appreciated :) |
| 20:15.49 | MohammadAG | pings GeneralAntilles / GAN900 and Jaffa |
| 20:15.55 | alterego | evil|Jonne: working fine for me. |
| 20:15.57 | Noobmonk3y | pongs MohammadAG |
| 20:16.17 | evil|Jonne | seems like some blog got added that doesn't really add any useful content |
| 20:16.18 | MohammadAG | alterego, i think it's getting spammed |
| 20:16.35 | alterego | Oh, I see |
| 20:17.03 | MohammadAG | can someone take a macro pic of the N900's top with the battery removed? |
| 20:17.05 | MohammadAG | please? |
| 20:17.22 | Noobmonk3y | alterego: i know the problem! |
| 20:17.25 | evil|Jonne | if n900guide.com doesn't get removed i'll just unsubscribe |
| 20:17.26 | Noobmonk3y | dpkg - warning: downgrading healthcheck from 1.2.1-3 to 0.0.1. |
| 20:17.30 | alterego | Noobmonk3y: ? |
| 20:17.34 | alterego | Oh, hahah |
| 20:17.39 | Noobmonk3y | my app is the current version! |
| 20:17.40 | alterego | That might be it. |
| 20:17.42 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 20:17.50 | Noobmonk3y | maybe change the name? lol! or uninstall hc? |
| 20:17.52 | alterego | bbl |
| 20:18.01 | Noobmonk3y | cheers |
| 20:18.04 | alterego | Yeah, change the name until you've got something you want. |
| 20:18.06 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, should downgrade |
| 20:18.13 | Noobmonk3y | should bu tdoesnt |
| 20:18.26 | MohammadAG | it downgraded here |
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| 20:19.06 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOHAUvbuV4o |
| 20:19.28 | Noobmonk3y | its genius when adverts are better than tv! |
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| 20:22.31 | MohammadAG | ARGH |
| 20:22.34 | MohammadAG | flash player crashed |
| 20:22.37 | Noobmonk3y | lol! |
| 20:22.38 | MohammadAG | loads again |
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| 20:23.24 | MohammadAG | lol Noobmonk3y |
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| 20:23.54 | Noobmonk3y | :) :) |
| 20:23.55 | Noobmonk3y | likes |
| 20:24.12 | MohammadAG | no offense, but the gal's english accent doesn't fit in rap :P |
| 20:24.41 | Noobmonk3y | not at all - but neitehr do the others! |
| 20:24.52 | MohammadAG | LOL @ owl |
| 20:25.19 | MohammadAG | english accents in rap don't sound proper :P |
| 20:25.35 | MohammadAG | the rest are cool |
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| 20:25.53 | MohammadAG | but the ad is epic xD |
| 20:25.53 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG: west country doesnt sound right normally lol |
| 20:26.05 | Noobmonk3y | i think the idea is to not sound cool + but be cool randomly! |
| 20:26.32 | MohammadAG | Noobmonk3y, check PM :P |
| 20:26.36 | Noobmonk3y | Starting remote application. |
| 20:26.37 | Noobmonk3y | Selecting previously deselected package healthcheck. |
| 20:26.37 | Noobmonk3y | (Reading database ... Finished running remote process. |
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| 20:51.40 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: pong |
| 20:52.16 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, a lot of people have been complaining about Planet Maemo |
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| 20:52.47 | kpoman | hi all ! |
| 20:52.56 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: "A lot"? |
| 20:52.59 | kpoman | anyone any ideas about usb host mode on the Nokia N900 ? |
| 20:53.06 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Presumably because of old posts showing up in RogerS' feed? |
| 20:53.08 | timeless_mbp | anyone here have experience using the n900's IR port? |
| 20:53.15 | timeless_mbp | i have a remote - DVR combo which isn't working |
| 20:53.29 | timeless_mbp | i'm wondering if it's possible to try to send commands to my DVR w/ an n900 |
| 20:53.38 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes |
| 20:54.15 | kpoman | anyone ? |
| 20:54.41 | Myrtti | cheesecake? |
| 20:54.41 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: Seems to have stopped. Send him a polite email and vote them down. Latter's already been done, I see. |
| 20:55.07 | kpoman | Myrtti: to me ? |
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| 20:55.40 | Myrtti | to everyone, I'm feeling somewhat indifferent right now |
| 20:55.45 | MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm not subscribed to planet maemo, I just pinged you cause two users complained here |
| 20:55.52 | f0rkb0mb | timeless_mbp try irreco |
| 20:56.01 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: OK, ta. |
| 20:56.07 | kpoman | ok nm |
| 20:56.19 | kpoman | I do see this: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_USB_Host |
| 20:56.26 | kpoman | anyone any ideas ? |
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| 20:56.31 | kpoman | or experience ? |
| 20:56.49 | Myrtti | that just threw me off to Old Spice -mode |
| 20:56.51 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: TBH, I'm not bothered; it's not like the feed is overflowing with stuff - and a lot of people would say it's the raw feed and you're "supposed" to subscribe to /news/ instead. |
| 20:57.13 | Myrtti | "see this, this is diamonds on my hand, see again, now they've turned into that phone you love" |
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| 20:57.44 | Jaffa | MohammadAG: But thanks for the headsup |
| 20:58.30 | Jaffa | is not well inclined towards people complaining due to someone arguing about a sponsorship decision for the conference, saying "my karma's not being calculated properly due to a known bug" and then points at something been RESOLVED FIXED for months. |
| 20:58.35 | Jaffa | So I'm going to bed :-) |
| 21:00.35 | Corsac | gimme karma! |
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| 21:03.45 | pronto | does anyone know how to make the camera have a timer? |
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| 21:12.53 | kpoman | someone did plug any USB device on its nokia ? |
| 21:13.21 | kpoman | help |
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| 21:35.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~karma corsac |
| 21:35.49 | infobot | corsac has karma of 1 |
| 21:36.27 | DocScrutinizer51 | kpoman: ~hostmode |
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| 21:37.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~hostmode |
| 21:37.03 | infobot | i guess hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
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| 21:51.23 | alterego | I wonder what Nokia's plans are for updating Qt on the N8 et al Symbian devices. |
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| 21:58.12 | alterego | Can't wait for Qt 4.7 in PR1.3 .. |
| 21:58.22 | alterego | Gonna make writting little apps so much more fun :D |
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| 21:58.43 | alterego | Anyhow, bed time, g'night folks. |
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| 22:12.12 | timeless_mbp | f0rkb0mb: how would i use it? |
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| 22:23.10 | f0rkb0mb | timeless_mbp: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HblSL0hG6Wg |
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| 22:24.56 | f0rkb0mb | dont expect a huge range, i need to stand 2m in front of my tv, which makes it totally useless for me |
| 22:25.32 | logisist | why is "Sent" in each account showing the same message I sent from one account? |
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| 22:34.21 | timeless_mbp | f0rkb0mb: as long as i don't need to teach it |
| 22:34.33 | timeless_mbp | because i don't think my original remote works |
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| 22:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: there's a lirc controller def for almost every IT reco chip available |
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| 22:44.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | timeless_mbp: I found most predefined IRrecos rather 'test' though - so I decided to create an ow test :-) may be you like to base your own design on some ideas in there |
| 22:45.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | look for TV LG jr*_1/2 |
| 22:45.40 | timeless_mbp | where would i find DVR in the list? |
| 22:46.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | no idea |
| 22:51.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe DVD? |
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| 22:52.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | or your appliances brand |
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| 22:53.35 | johnx | ah the fun or IR transmitters |
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| 22:54.17 | pupnik | can N900 gfx run in palletted mode? :) 8 or more bit CLUT? :D |
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| 22:58.45 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_mbp: check yesterday's chanlog for how to tune lirc IR carrier frequency in (grepstring:) lircd.conf rsp included file |
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| 23:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | alas this didn't change my experience with N900 CIR, just like said above: range = ~2m to TV |
| 23:00.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 3 with good aiming and luck |
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| 23:01.33 | hawaii_ | yo |
| 23:01.45 | DocScrutinizer | seems there's actually something fishy with the IR LED plus associated hardware |
| 23:03.52 | hawaii_ | pants. |
| 23:04.02 | cehteh | signal noise or underpowered? |
| 23:05.21 | DocScrutinizer | underpowered, poor on/off ratio, maybe instable carrier freq (had to scrutinize the rx51-lirc.ko source - or whateverthename) |
| 23:06.03 | DocScrutinizer | wrong IR wavelength, poor design of aperture glass, who knows |
| 23:06.27 | ajf_ | I think I need to hold it 3 metres away from the edge of the atmosphere to get a GPS fix in a useful time |
| 23:06.32 | ajf_ | :( |
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| 23:07.21 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 23:08.37 | DocScrutinizer | you got a sim with valid registration, booked in to carrier? plus some connectivity to the internets? enabled assisted mode? |
| 23:08.51 | DocScrutinizer | should be less than 20s then for TTFF |
| 23:09.10 | DocScrutinizer | as long as you're not indoors |
| 23:09.53 | DocScrutinizer | keep in mind most apps give up and stop GPS if no fix after 60s |
| 23:10.20 | hawaii_ | I can get a fix in mere seconds. |
| 23:10.27 | johnx | I must live in some sort of N900 paradise |
| 23:10.32 | ajf_ | think I had all of those things, there were quite a few tall buildings but not that many (Bristol) |
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| 23:10.59 | johnx | I had a fix inside by the time google maps was done loading (over wifi) |
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| 23:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | for proper tests you'll want to use location test app |
| 23:11.24 | johnx | granted it can be up to 30 seconds in other situations, and without cell service it tends to just give up |
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| 23:11.33 | ajf_ | maybe it was ovi maps, but the GPS icon was flashing while it said looking for gps so thought it was looking |
| 23:12.05 | ajf_ | I have the same problem in London too |
| 23:12.13 | DocScrutinizer | that's a lie |
| 23:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | it says it's looking for GPS but in fact gave up |
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| 23:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | use Location Test |
| 23:12.54 | ajf_ | damn you ovi maps, fair enough then :) |
| 23:13.05 | DocScrutinizer | it doesn't give up, and yields proper info what's going on |
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| 23:13.44 | kerio | never give up |
| 23:13.49 | kerio | trust your instincts |
| 23:14.32 | DocScrutinizer | gpsjini recently annoyed me |
| 23:14.36 | timeless_mbp | ok, irreco works |
| 23:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 23:14.46 | timeless_mbp | i have a minimal remote with most of the buttons i need |
| 23:14.51 | timeless_mbp | terrible range |
| 23:14.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 23:14.59 | timeless_mbp | but better than nothing |
| 23:15.13 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes, sometimes |
| 23:17.01 | timeless_mbp | it needs support for portrait mode. |
| 23:17.52 | DocScrutinizer | standingatthemachineverydayforallmylifeimusedtodoitandineedititstheonlythingiwantitsjustaRUSH RUSH RUSH |
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| 23:18.02 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes - sometimes |
| 23:19.35 | johnx | just has horrible luck with set-top boxes, let alone their remotes |
| 23:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lF262d38Vo&list=QL&feature=BF |
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| 23:23.50 | timeless_mbp | johnx: right |
| 23:23.58 | timeless_mbp | i want someone to help me find a DVR that doesn't *SUCK* |
| 23:24.12 | DocScrutinizer | nah, the 1983 version is definitely better |
| 23:24.20 | DocScrutinizer | curse remixes |
| 23:24.30 | SpeedEvil | ponders. |
| 23:24.42 | johnx | agrees with DocScrutinizer. timeless_mbp, just get a VCR |
| 23:25.01 | timeless_mbp | BetaMax? |
| 23:25.17 | timeless_mbp | the 1988 VCR from the US was smarter than the DVRs available here in .FI |
| 23:25.40 | DocScrutinizer | YEAH!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FKx36PZdzwg&feature=related |
| 23:25.46 | timeless_mbp | (vcrs can record a program 5 days a week...) |
| 23:25.58 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:26.04 | timeless_mbp | and a 1991 or so VCR supported program code recording |
| 23:26.33 | timeless_mbp | whereas the insane DVRs here can't deal w/ stupid 5-45 minute shifts in programming |
| 23:26.40 | SpeedEvil | timeless: myth? |
| 23:26.43 | timeless_mbp | even though they *know* the name of the programs |
| 23:26.50 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: i don't want to pay 1000EUR |
| 23:27.00 | timeless_mbp | find me a solution that's <250EUR |
| 23:27.07 | timeless_mbp | i have a G5 power mac |
| 23:27.10 | johnx | cancel your cable, buy a google tv |
| 23:27.17 | timeless_mbp | and a 1998 era pc (and a 1999 era pc) |
| 23:27.36 | timeless_mbp | johnx: how does that work? |
| 23:27.52 | johnx | dunno. I need you to buy one and tell me |
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| 23:28.04 | johnx | I guess you buy or rent DRMed stuff from amazon and netflix |
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| 23:28.30 | johnx | things that aren't a solution: anything from seagate |
| 23:28.58 | timeless_mbp | i want to watch: Grey's Anatomy, Dexter, House, Numb3rs, ... |
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| 23:32.06 | johnx | new episodes or old ones? |
| 23:33.27 | DocScrutinizer | WESTBAM, hmmm... |
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| 23:38.45 | johnx | timeless_mbp, get an appleTV. I'm curious if it doesn't suck anyways, so make sure you review it |
| 23:39.41 | timeless_mbp | johnx: on most series i'm about 1 1/2 seasons behind |
| 23:39.50 | timeless_mbp | because finland is at least 1 season behind |
| 23:40.09 | timeless_mbp | i do not want to have to pay for each series |
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| 23:40.29 | johnx | I started making a spreadsheet at one point, but I gave up on the DVR idea and I'm thinking I'll just pay up to 'the man' on a per show basis |
| 23:40.30 | timeless_mbp | and i'm not really willing to pay much more than 0.10 USD per episode |
| 23:40.37 | pupnik | you guys might like this: |
| 23:40.39 | pupnik | Flexible computer credit card with software-rewriteable strip and led indicators + display ..... ..... ..... http://173.192.209.77/videos43ll/78f81d327fe3c0b235e97d41ec8a0c65_card.flv.mp4 |
| 23:40.40 | johnx | do you get cable? |
| 23:40.50 | timeless_mbp | johnx: yes |
| 23:40.58 | johnx | and how much does it cost per month? |
| 23:41.00 | timeless_mbp | the problem is that my DVR and its Remote are flaky |
| 23:41.20 | timeless_mbp | johnx: apparently very little |
| 23:41.37 | timeless_mbp | it's not much of a "plan", it's some sort of "slightly more than aerial" |
| 23:41.46 | johnx | so you actually watch enough TV that you end up paying 10c an episode? |
| 23:42.04 | johnx | and how much time do you spend hacking up your DVR to work? how much is your time worth? |
| 23:42.10 | timeless_mbp | when i complained that my DVR was breaking/broken they tried to say i wasn't paying anything |
| 23:42.15 | timeless_mbp | but then noted that i was paying something |
| 23:42.50 | timeless_mbp | johnx: i probably watch 20 hours a week i guess |
| 23:42.50 | timeless_mbp | ponders |
| 23:42.50 | johnx | gah |
| 23:42.59 | timeless_mbp | grey's, ncis, ncis, numbers, house, |
| 23:43.30 | timeless_mbp | the dvr is recording so i can't ask for a menu |
| 23:44.36 | nox- | is your cable encrypted? |
| 23:45.01 | timeless_mbp | there's a card in my dvr |
| 23:45.08 | timeless_mbp | so i think so |
| 23:47.46 | nox- | well if its ci you _might_ still get it working with a pc... |
| 23:48.04 | nox- | (assuming its digital) |
| 23:48.18 | DocScrutinizer | flv.mp4 >:-( |
| 23:48.33 | timeless_mbp | it's digital |
| 23:48.34 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 23:49.30 | nox- | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Interface |
| 23:52.19 | timeless_mbp | also Eureka |
| 23:52.29 | timeless_mbp | the Good Wife |
| 23:53.26 | nox- | you'd need a dvb card with ci slot and a module thats compatible with your card, then you probably could use even linux software like vdr |
| 23:53.48 | nox- | uses vdr too, tho only for fta channels |
| 23:54.02 | nox- | (i have neither cable nor paytv...) |
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| 23:54.14 | timeless_mbp | nox-: price tag? |
| 23:55.14 | nox- | not sure but i suspect it would be < 250eur |
| 23:55.23 | nox- | (if you already have the pc) |
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