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01:39.16vieweris it possible to use the n900 sort of reverse tethering, so you could make calls through your computer when your phone is plugged in?
01:39.42viewerjust wondering if anyones ever heard of that
01:39.55viewerfor linuxMCE perhaps
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01:53.51SpeedEvilviewer: Is it possible, yes.
01:53.58SpeedEvilviewer: H?as anyone implemented it - no.
01:54.02SpeedEvilAFAIK
01:54.11SpeedEvilyou can do SIP or ... calls using the data conneciton.
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02:39.31DocScrutinizer51you could even use an external USB attached 'soundcard' (or pulse to do network audio) to replace the built in mic and earpiece
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02:52.57DocScrutinizeror N900 pretends to be a soundcard
02:53.59DocScrutinizerprobably easier to handle that way round
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02:59.41ravibnHi! I have Nokia 3110 C handset
03:00.25ravibnsuddenly the display is showing lines and partly the screen is blurred
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03:23.28DocScrutinizer51hmm, interesting
03:24.19DocScrutinizer51maybe get a N900 instead :-)
03:25.39jpinxhe must've dropped it ;)
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04:31.07MohammadAG51(calls), just reroute audio output to pc, and mic unput from pc
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05:25.23RST38hmoo all
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05:37.30rasterRST38h: moo back
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06:13.38eranihello. does anyone know about n900 phone, that how to get it so that the music album arts won't show up in the n900's gallery? there's one link to maemotalk, but somehow they haven't been working this morning
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06:17.27psycho_oreostalk.maemo.org is down, and I wouldn't know how to get album arts into gallery either.. I sort of know how to get it appear when you play via media player
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06:18.12psycho_oreosI think if anything the image maybe stored in the same directory as the file that contains album art under a hidden directory
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06:22.01timeless_mbpwoohoo
06:22.05timeless_mbpall caught up w/ email
06:22.39timeless_mbpnow all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb
06:23.49mecegaddammit again with the database errors?!?!
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06:26.32ieatlint?
06:26.46meceieatlint, tmo, fmc.
06:27.05ieatlinttmo works for me
06:27.14ieatlintsame fmc
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06:28.45psycho_oreosfmc?
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06:31.29ieatlintforum.meego.com
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06:31.56psycho_oreosahh ok, ta
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06:50.00psycho_oreostmo was down a few minutes ago but meh
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06:56.51ieatlintwas introduced to alloca() tonight
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07:10.36zeeghi dudes, I want to make my n900 box password protected (unlock), is there any settings? (or any package)
07:11.33secyrita1umm, power key and lock device?
07:11.50secyrita1it will ask security code after that
07:13.16inTransitit will ask for a code if a code is set in...
07:13.54inTransitsettings > device lock
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07:14.29djszapiIs there an opportunity to use the firmware flasher on x86_64 ?
07:14.35djszapiwith no i686 chroot.
07:15.10djszapiso on the native x86_64 host.
07:15.24psycho_oreosI think it is but I can't guarantee the data will be written properly.. or it might
07:15.47inTransitworkd for me after the ovi suite was installd
07:16.07inTransithad some driver issue before this
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07:16.23zeegsecyrita1, infobot, tnx dudes
07:16.50psycho_oreosdriver issues?
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07:17.31inTransityeh, -w7x64 kept trying to install a driver... -and the flasher app would not pick up the device
07:17.34djszapipsycho_oreos: did you speak to me ?
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07:18.04djszapithere is no available x86_64 binary on the official website (linux host).
07:18.22inTransitahh... dunno bout tux
07:19.04psycho_oreosdjszapi, yes , in theory it might be supported but I can't guarantee that
07:19.12psycho_oreosinTransit, ahh thought so :)
07:20.10djszapipsycho_oreos: I guess it is not that good idea to flash it from inside the scratchbox.
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07:20.33psycho_oreosafaik for starters, x86_64 has backward compatibility, its just slight variances with large mem blocks and slightly different addressing table but then again x86 codes may run in their own `containers' or so I think
07:21.03psycho_oreosdjszapi, heh not really but again I have not tried doing that
07:21.22djszapik ty
07:21.34djszapibye
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07:32.44JaffaMorning, all
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07:34.50jpinx-eeepcin the n900 desktop taskbar there is an icon to the left of the battery state - what's it for?
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07:35.29hrwjpinx-eeepc: bell icon?
07:35.43inTransitprobably data conn icon
07:35.49jpinx-eeepcdoesn't look much like a bell ;)
07:35.52hrwjpinx-eeepc: ah.. you mean GSM iconbar
07:36.23johnxjpinx-eeepc, above the am/pm of the time?
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07:36.33hrwjpinx-eeepc: it shows gsm/3g signal strength and 2/2.5/3/3.5G below to give you info of features
07:36.53jpinx-eeepc4 or 5 horizontal white bars over a wine-glass base
07:37.16inTransit^what hrw said
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07:37.40jpinx-eeepcah - ok - is it the mobile signal strength?
07:37.43hrwyes
07:37.46jpinx-eeepccool -- thanks
07:38.30hrwjpinx-eeepc: n900 is your first cellphone?
07:38.34jpinx-eeepcgets lots of signal . no data :(
07:38.54jpinx-eeepchrw: first smart phone - yep
07:39.25inTransitgood choice
07:39.37hrwjpinx-eeepc: and your previous phones lacked signal strenght meter?
07:39.57jpinx-eeepcIt is a brilliant concept, but poorly executed
07:39.59hrwI would said "quite good choice"
07:40.25inTransithmmm... ure opinion, not mine
07:40.29hrwsure
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07:40.45jpinx-eeepcinTransit: you reckon it's 100% ok?
07:40.51hrwbut if I will change phone in 2011 then ->Android
07:41.04jpinx-eeepchrw: I was having a blonde moment about that icon...
07:41.16inTransiti think its the most capable mobile device ive used
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07:41.34jpinx-eeepcinTransit: same here, but i9t is still poorly executed
07:42.04jpinx-eeepcthere are so many "features" that are basically not well written
07:42.11hrwinTransit: capable yes. but capabilities needs to be used...
07:42.36jpinx-eeepcwho would write a calendar that doesn't scroll week-by-week ?
07:42.52inTransitsure, -not as refined as some other offerings... but thn maemo was fresh
07:42.59hrwjpinx-eeepc: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/
07:43.06meceYay! Anti-oss conspiracy! http://blog.javier-carrete.com/2010/10/wikileaks-publishes-documents-on-plan.html
07:43.10jpinx-eeepchrw :)
07:43.11inTransithopes meego completes the process
07:43.19hrwinTransit: in 2012 maybe
07:43.51jpinx-eeepchrw: I bunged a chroot of debian squueze in there and run stuff on that ;)
07:43.55inTransityeh... -dont want the maemo feel to dissapear though
07:44.29jpinx-eeepcinTransit: that's eyecandy - I need functions that actually do what they aare supposed to
07:44.59inTransitid kinda like both...
07:45.35jpinx-eeepcfunction first - I'm all in favour of dressing it up sexy once it actually works ;)
07:45.43inTransithahaHA
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07:46.56jpinx-eeepchrw: fwiw - tha link is either b0rked or "filtered" here ;)
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07:51.36inTransithow much more resource intesive is android in comparison to maemo?
07:54.43hrwjpinx-eeepc: company firewall with words filtering?
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07:56.06jpinx-eeepchrw: check my whois location... ;
07:57.07hrw.th is?
07:57.24FauxFauxwiki://.th
07:57.50hrwThailand...
07:59.17jpinx-eeepcchina is not the only place to have a great firewall ;)
08:00.36FauxFauxMost other countries allow you to hold accounts with shell providers in other countries, though, right?
08:00.49hrwjpinx-eeepc: planet.maemo.org works?
08:01.06psycho_oreosindeed but the great firewall was link to a proud chinese historic and iconic figure called great wall which obviously does its job to keep enemies out and so firewall does more or less the same thing.. seeing as how its used on mass scale the term was later coined by the media as great firewall
08:01.12hrwjpinx-eeepc: http://maemo.org/news/planet-maemo/?org_openpsa_qbpager_net_nehmer_blog_index_page=75 has this post
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08:01.21psycho_oreosbleh
08:02.54crashanddieit's so funny to still see people use variables the size of a house block
08:03.39psycho_oreosmeaning a very very large variable?
08:03.42jpinx-eeepchrw: whaat am I looking for there?
08:03.52hrwcrashanddie: maemo.org backend is fun in many places
08:04.05crashanddiehrw, I know, I looked at it
08:04.21hrwjpinx-eeepc: find "cruel" and read copy of my http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2010/04/21/maemo5-calendar-is-it-cruel-joke/ post ;D
08:04.31hrwcrashanddie: I preferred not to
08:04.41jpinx-eeepchrw: ok
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08:17.25Venemotimeless_mbp: ping
08:17.32Venemo~seen timeless_mbp
08:17.36infobottimeless_mbp is currently on #maemo (1d 10h 35m 19s) #meego (1d 10h 35m 19s). Has said a total of 43 messages. Is idling for 1h 54m 57s, last said: 'now all i have to do is read 10 or so very long documents w/ a fine-tooth comb'.
08:17.36timeless_mbppong
08:18.15Venemotimeless_mbp: I know you're likely not personally involved, but do you know someone from the team that created libhildondesktop?
08:18.48timeless_mbpi'm sure i could find someone
08:19.18Venemotimeless_mbp: the problem that I'm facing is that most of the stuff is completely undocumented
08:19.27Venemotimeless_mbp: for example, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginManager.html
08:19.44crashanddiequick question, should I go for Debian or Ubuntu on my laptop?
08:19.52crashanddie(and yes, those are the only two options)
08:20.19timeless_mbphow will you use it and for how long?
08:20.21Venemotimeless_mbp: this one is the most documented... see http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/libhildondesktop/HDPluginLoader.html that one doesn't contain any doc at all
08:20.26timeless_mbpand do both actually support your laptop?
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08:20.44timeless_mbpVenemo:  nice
08:21.00jpinx-eeepccrashanddie: debian for stability and support, ubunto for new-ness
08:21.09crashanddietimeless_mbp, I'm sick of Windows 7 giving blue-screen shit, and I just want to develop quietly. Main features that will be used: FUSE for SSHFS, gvim and git.
08:21.22crashanddieAnd probably wine for spotify goodness in the background
08:21.33jpinx-eeepccrashanddie: debian then
08:21.38timeless_mbpcrashanddie:  have you gotten minidumps for the bluescreens?
08:21.44timeless_mbpthose should be solvable / reportable
08:21.46crashanddietimeless_mbp, yeah
08:21.47jpinx-eeepcand run your wincrap in a vm ;)
08:21.55timeless_mbpcrashanddie:  did they finger something?
08:21.58Venemotimeless_mbp: there is of course the default implementation and the Qt plugion loader implementation, too, which would give me some hints, but their sources also don't contain any doc at all
08:22.04timeless_mbp(if the problem is hardware related, get the hardware replaced...)
08:22.24timeless_mbpVenemo: so… i could find someone
08:22.27crashanddietimeless_mbp, supposedly, it's the ethernet card driver that's causing it, however, I installed a handful of different versions, and it's always the same
08:22.32timeless_mbpbut i'm not going to find someone who will offer documentation
08:22.46timeless_mbpif they didn't do it while working on it, there's no way they'll do it while they aren't paid to do it..
08:23.06timeless_mbpcrashanddie: ok
08:23.26Venemotimeless_mbp: it would be enough if you find someone who could spare 10-15 minutes to explain me how the thing works and basically how can I implement my own
08:23.32crashanddietimeless_mbp, could also come from the fact that the antivirus is plugging into the driver to stop malicious stuff, and that's buggering the whole system
08:23.43lindi-crashanddie: just spend a few months in kernel debugger :)
08:24.00timeless_mbpcrashanddie: which are you using? i like MSE
08:24.17timeless_mbpVenemo: i'll see if i can dig someone up
08:24.25Venemotimeless_mbp: thank you
08:24.29crashanddietimeless_mbp, dunno, it's the corporate laptop, whatever's on there by default I guess
08:24.36timeless_mbpyou might ask lcuk or w00t, one of them might be in a better position to dig someone up
08:24.46timeless_mbpcrashanddie: = crap typically
08:25.03crashanddiewell, for the price that companies pay Dell to provide corporate laptops
08:25.12Venemotimeless_mbp: I was able to decypher some of the process involved, but most of the thing doesn't make any sense to me
08:25.12timeless_mbpthe corporate AV(+firewall+vpn)s i've had to deal w/ cause more pain/bsod's than anything esle
08:25.15timeless_mbps/esle/else/
08:25.17crashanddiethey might as well get their shit in order and provide things that works
08:25.33timeless_mbpcrashanddie: companies are wiser to buy apples for the same price
08:25.46crashanddietimeless_mbp, been using my personal mac for the past few months
08:25.52timeless_mbp(and really by the time you're buying a corporate laptop there's very little price difference)
08:26.09crashanddietimeless_mbp, I've got 2TB of external HD usable as time-machine. I told them it was more secure than anything they'd ever be able to provide me with
08:26.15timeless_mbpi have a corporate dell on a shell 3' away from me, and a corporate mbp on my lap :)
08:26.23Venemocrashanddie: of Debian and Ubuntu, I'd choose Ubuntu. Otherwise I prefer Fedora or Win7
08:26.40keriodebian!
08:26.42timeless_mbpMS w7x64 is much better than corporate w7 :(
08:26.54crashanddiewell, I've been running Debian for the past 10 years, and ubuntu maybe on 2 computers that are used by less-geeky people
08:27.30keriomy aunt has been using ubuntu for a couple of years with absolutely no problem
08:27.38crashanddiewell, downloading the Debian DVD
08:27.39Venemocrashanddie: the problem with Debian is that lot of its packages are outdated, but otherwise it is mostly rock stable
08:27.41keriolinux is not cool anymore :(
08:27.55Venemokerio: why not?
08:27.55crashanddieVenemo, outdated isn't a big deal
08:28.02kerioVenemo: stable is... stable
08:28.03kerioand old
08:28.12crashanddieVenemo, I'm working on voip server -- our customers don't run bleeding edge
08:28.14Venemothat's why I use Fedora
08:28.17keriofor a desktop, you're kinda supposed to use testing
08:28.33crashanddieand the only things we use are a handful of features from the glibc 2.0
08:28.52Venemocrashanddie: in this case, Debian should be okay
08:29.00kerioyay debian :D
08:29.00crashanddieof course it is, Debian is Universal (c)
08:30.25Stskeepsi really hate that statement..
08:30.36crashanddieaww
08:30.38crashanddiewhy?
08:30.47Stskeepsbecause people take it to mean debian fits everywhere
08:30.59Stskeepswhich doesn't make sense cos a kitchen sink isn't useful in many areas
08:32.00lindi-Stskeeps: your phone doesn't have one? ;)
08:33.06Stskeepslindi-: well, i think we can both agree debian isn't exactly suited to minimal installs and power saving
08:33.38Venemotimeless_mbp: anyways, thanks for digging up someone :)
08:33.41lindi-Stskeeps: minimal installs are being worked on yes
08:34.02Stskeepslindi-: and emdebian is a symptom of that as well
08:34.10Stskeeps(though they do really cool stuff)
08:34.16lindi-Stskeeps: yep it's a still on-going project
08:34.29kerioStskeeps: how minimal?=
08:34.34TermanaN900Stskeeps, what exactly is special about MeeGo and Maemo's power saving compared to stock Debian or w/e?
08:34.43keriolol, maemo's power saving
08:34.55Stskeepskerio: don't mock it until you've tried debian and ubuntu on your device..
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08:35.41StskeepsTermanaN900: it's built to be lean and mean - no excessives, everything's there for a reason
08:35.57keriolike pulseaudio!
08:36.05Stskeepspa's there for a good reason
08:36.08lindi-Stskeeps: something simple like hunting for extra wakeups can probably be organized. higher level power saving strategies probably aren't going to happen very soon
08:36.15lcuktimeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today
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08:36.31Stskeepslindi-: :nod:
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08:36.47lindi-Stskeeps: for example my icewm wakes up every second to update the clock that is in HH:MM mode
08:36.51johnxneeds to find just one stupid blank CD-R around here ...
08:36.57keriolindi-: haha wow
08:36.59timeless_mbplindi-: impressive
08:37.00Stskeepslindi-: the prime example is really how long time it's taken maemo to shape debian..
08:37.17kerioi thought icewm was supposed to be light
08:37.41lindi-kerio: it is unless you enable the clock :)
08:37.52lindi-but I wanted a clock :-)
08:38.02kerioclocks are notoriously computationally heavy
08:38.19TermanaN900Stskeeps, lean and mean means nothing as an explaination :p Is it because of less idle processes or less memory/swap usage or what?
08:38.20jpinx-eeepckerio: use busybox :)  and instal some standalone clock
08:38.46keriomy gtk clock applet for rox-desktop slept for a second, to be fair
08:38.59johnxTermanaN900, means choosing reduced resource usage vs features that geeks want :)
08:39.05StskeepsTermanaN900: less idle processes, things are there for a purpose - ie, less bloat - put together to make a platform diagram :P
08:39.06VenemoTermanaN900: perhaps both
08:39.24kerioStskeeps: there's no excuse for choosing pulseaudio over dmix
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08:40.01johnxkerio, what about "trying to fit in with other distros"?
08:40.11kerioyou should never give in to peer pressure!
08:40.33keriohttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Just_Say_No
08:40.35johnxkerio, the rest of us are using pulseaudio. here try some
08:40.36Stskeepskerio: does dmix have latency guarantees?
08:41.01kerioprobably not
08:41.04keriodoes it matter?
08:41.25Corsacfor phone conversations, yes
08:41.53johnxStskeeps, no. but if you want to add latency you can just add an do-nothing loop in your program :)
08:42.11Stskeepskerio: quite a fair bit
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08:44.22fluxdoes dmix come with a way to put in digital signal processing into the output of any application?
08:45.27TermanaN900johnx, add latency? you want to reduce latency while on the phone :p
08:45.40johnxTermanaN900, aaaah. should have been more specific :)
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08:47.14jacekowskiTermanaN900: you want to reduce jitter
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08:47.35jacekowskiflux: only alsa appliactions
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08:51.07crashanddielol
08:51.37crashanddieI was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email"
08:51.50keriolol
08:51.54fluxjacekowski, well, it would be good enough for a mostly self-contained environment
08:51.56Jaffa<sigh />
08:51.57kerionetiquette :(
08:52.27keriopeople who reply on top of other emails should be shot
08:52.46jacekowskiyep
08:52.55keriohow the hell does that make sense anyway
08:52.57Jaffakerio: Doing anything else in Outlook is a PITA
08:52.58jacekowskiPA on n900 is very bad solution
08:53.02crashanddienow, would we?
08:53.04jacekowskidmix would be a lot better
08:53.06crashanddieconfuse anyone
08:53.10crashanddieWouldn't want to
08:53.15crashanddie"easier to follow"
08:53.18fluxwell, people who reply on bottom of other emails after quoting the other email in full (including the signature) should be shot as well :P
08:53.19crashanddieConsidering it's
08:53.24crashanddietalking backwards then
08:53.28crashanddieI guess I'll just start
08:53.44keriocrashanddie: answer that to your boss
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08:53.51crashanddie(and goddamn, that was difficult to type)
08:53.55marmoutejacekowski: s/Doing anything else in //
08:54.07keriopeople who use outlook should also be shot
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08:54.13jacekowskimarmoute: ?
08:54.21crashanddiekerio, outlook works pretty damn well
08:54.39Jaffakerio: Ta, I'll bear that in mind when I'm moving to my next job.
08:54.42crashanddiekerio, if you add the google desktop indexing, it really is brilliant (and a plugin or two to allow for correct quoting)
08:54.52jacekowskiand lets google spy on you
08:55.05keriocrashanddie: the italian version of outlook used R: as the reply marker in the subject for *years*
08:55.07timeless_mbpJaffa:  really?
08:55.09kerioit was fun in newsgroups
08:55.15timeless_mbpi've been non top posting w/ outlook for years
08:55.47fluxwell, the finnish version is Vs:. it's great to have Re: Vs: Re: Vs: -subjects.
08:55.50kerioRe: R: Re: R: Re: R: Re: subject
08:55.54flux:)
08:56.00kerioflux: damn, you beat me
08:56.00timeless_mbphttp://mailformat.dan.info/config/outlook.html
08:56.10timeless_mbpflux:  that's because someone was stupid
08:56.20timeless_mbpyou aren't supposed to translate technical terms
08:56.35timeless_mbpcurses ms for that one
08:57.07Venemotimeless_mbp: were you successful in finding someone?
08:57.11Jaffatimeless_mbp: I used to use QuoteFix but stopped for reasons which I don't remember.
08:57.19crashanddiekerio, it still does that when talking with people who have their client in different languages
08:57.21timeless_mbpVenemo: i wasn't successful in getting out of the house :)
08:57.29keriooh, so it's not fixed yet?
08:57.30kerionice
08:57.42Venemotimeless_mbp: :D
08:58.06Venemotimeless_mbp: sorry, I thought you were at work :)
08:58.36timeless_mbpVenemo: my mac has to disconnect for me to leave for work ;-)
08:58.48crashanddiekerio, you'd think applying a simple regex is too difficult: s/[a-zA-Z]{2,3}:/Re:/
08:59.09johnxhow is it possible that vmware server has such an awful web interface?
08:59.13keriocrashanddie: except for all the times that fails badly
08:59.26kerioincluding in the case i presented
08:59.31keriowhere Re: is translated to R:
08:59.32timeless_mbpcrashanddie: Fwd: ?
08:59.50crashanddietimeless_mbp, just check if it has a Reply-To header then
09:00.05crashanddiekerio, mod it to {1,3}
09:00.10timeless_mbpJaffa: yeah, i used to use quotefix but also stopped (and later i stopped using outlook)
09:00.24timeless_mbpcrashanddie:  Re: Vs: Re: Fwd: Re: Re:
09:00.46timeless_mbpor more typically Re: Re: Fwd: Vs: Vs: Re:
09:00.49crashanddietimeless_mbp, Fwd: Re doesn't have a Reply-To header
09:01.05timeless_mbpcrashanddie: the point is that the last action would be a reply
09:01.06crashanddieor rather, In-Response-To, or whatever the name it
09:01.11slonopotamusbtw, why outlook adds HA: ?
09:01.13timeless_mbpit's some intermediate action which was a Fwd
09:01.24timeless_mbpslonopotamus: what's HA: ?
09:01.34crashanddieIt's a reference to the Simpsons
09:01.35fluxcrashanddie, it could be confusing. for example I could see someone having a subject: "Btw: you suck"
09:01.36slonopotamustimeless_mbp: no idea
09:01.36crashanddieHA:HA:
09:01.47fluxcrashanddie, and then you start wondering what is someone responding to
09:01.55crashanddieflux, indeed
09:02.15crashanddiethen just standardize the bloody format of "Re"
09:02.35fluxthe solution is obvious: a new email header enumerating all the reply prefixes the agent uses
09:02.52crashanddieWell, it's not that ludicrous
09:03.11kerioless ludicrous than not using a known broken program?
09:03.21crashanddieSubject-Prepended-With: "Aw:"
09:03.30crashanddieAnd the client can decide to show it or not
09:04.04crashanddiekerio, it really has nothing to do with the program, but because of the demands of the customer
09:04.05kerioare we really having this conversation because you desperately want to use outlook?
09:04.13crashanddiekerio, "BUT I WANT RE IN GERMAN I TELL YOU"
09:04.18crashanddieI don't use Outlook ^^
09:04.23slonopotamusokay
09:04.39Venemolcuk, do you have a moment?
09:04.47maswancrashanddie: The format of "Re: " is already standardized. Lots of clients don't care though.
09:04.47slonopotamustimeless_mbp: looks like it's SV: but russian
09:05.01timeless_mbpslonopotamus:  that's helpful
09:05.04crashanddiemaswan, yeah, but obviously the standard isn't intuitive enough.
09:05.09timeless_mbpgoes to work
09:05.11timeless_mbp(maybe)
09:05.17crashanddiemaswan, why would Microsoft not follow it, otherwise?
09:05.28crashanddieClearly, if Microsoft's teams aren't following a standard, it means the standard is broken.
09:05.28maswancrashanddie: Cause they're morons, perhaps?
09:05.30keriobecause they're dickwads
09:05.38Venemocrashanddie: because Microsoft doesn't care about standards that much, perhaps
09:06.02fluxwell, do you think they can fix it now? people get confused when their reponses don't get prefixed what they expected.
09:06.39crashanddies/./. <
09:06.41crashanddiecrap
09:06.46jacekowskiit's not about standards
09:06.53jacekowskiit's about that people don't understand it
09:07.02jacekowskiit's like topposting
09:07.06crashanddiekids, don't forget who you're talking to. I obviously had a hidden </sarcasm> after "broken."
09:07.11slonopotamushttp://www.trilithium.com/johan/2005/06/re-outlook/
09:07.17jacekowskii got told off for writing in strange way
09:07.27crashanddiejacekowski, which is the topic that ignited this topic
09:07.31crashanddiejacekowski, scroll up
09:07.41crashanddie[10:51:38] <crashanddie> I was just asked by my boss to "please not reply under what other people had said before, it's confusing not to see the replies all the way at the top of the email"
09:07.45TermanaN900crashanddie, just being redundunt in your speech? Replacing grammar with itself
09:07.53jacekowskiwell i ignored that
09:08.00jacekowskiand still write as it should be
09:08.12jacekowskiand what's funny that some people reply to me in correct way
09:08.32jacekowskiwhile still topposting to other people
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09:09.31TermanaN900jacekowski, makes sense in a psycological manner
09:09.37crashanddieWell, I'll just top-post to the cow-orkers
09:09.47crashanddieAnd use email properly when using my personal account.
09:09.49TermanaN900psycological / social
09:10.18crashanddieThough, anyone who cares about topposting should've hailed Google Wave as the future of email...
09:10.29jacekowskiwave is abandoned
09:10.40Jaffacrashanddie: That's what I do
09:11.00crashanddiejacekowski, chicken and egg. It was abandonned because of lack of interst.
09:11.12crashanddieJaffa, did you see the google employee rant about it being cancelled?
09:11.25Jaffacrashanddie: Nope?
09:12.58crashanddieJaffa, a couple of f-words, http://www.myvidster.com/video/312898/Google_Wave_A_Pissed_Off_Tutorial
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09:13.42johnxI really liked wave
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09:14.38johnxI kinda wish they either held off launching it until they could support more users, or they managed to scale the amount of users they could handle faster
09:14.53johnxit just seems like it wasn't given a real test
09:17.08crashanddieI remember getting an account very, very early
09:17.11crashanddieDidn't have anyone on it
09:17.24crashanddiemaybe... 2 people off my entire GMail history had an account
09:17.46crashanddieSo... I sent a wave, and closed the browser
09:17.58crashanddieAnd was never, ever, brought to use it again
09:18.10crashanddieNot because I didn't like it, I loved it, there just wasn't anyone...
09:18.30alteregoI don't use gmail, I've got ovi and a server I run.
09:18.42Venemois ovi good?
09:18.55alteregoand a hotmail spam account I've had since I first got on the interbuttz
09:18.59Jaffacrashanddie: Indeed. The people with whom it might have been most useful were behind the work firewall.
09:19.52crashanddieJaffa, and we all know how companies feel about moving their data (or MY GOD, something as important as email) from their local dusty box to a cloud they can't understand.
09:20.26crashanddieHmm, either my boss is listening on IRC
09:20.34crashanddieor he actually has some common sense
09:21.08TermanaN900crashanddie, listening on irc
09:21.11crashanddieHe just sent a follow-up email, saying he didn't really care about where I put my replies, but that the > signs looked horrible on Blackberry and made it hard to follow.
09:22.00crashanddieHey Boris, I WANT A RAISE.
09:22.29crashanddieI'm totally shitting myself if sar3th says "Sure, no problem Seb"
09:23.03sar3thnope crashanddie, i'm not ur boss
09:23.09crashanddiecool, thanks :D
09:23.12rmrfchikamagad http://www.gsmarena.com/windows_phone_7-review-521.php
09:23.17sar3thyw, lol
09:23.21TermanaN900sar3th you are such a spoil sport :p
09:23.29crashanddieTermanaN900, ain't he?
09:23.30crashanddie:D
09:23.45crashanddieoh, and btw, anyone riding a bike here? As in, motorbike
09:24.12crashanddieI promise you, than having your backwheel slide away because the sidewind is so strong is FUCKING SCARY
09:24.18crashanddies/than/that
09:25.01johnxI tend to prefer keeping 3/4 or 4/4 wheels in contact with the road :)
09:25.45Jaffadoesn't mind halving them - as long as it's still 2 :-)
09:25.46crashanddieyeah, but then again, your name is John, and you're living in a house with a nice little picket fence
09:25.48jacekowskii sometimes drive on 2 wheels
09:25.52Jaffanot allowed a motorbike :-(
09:25.57jacekowskiand that was fucking scary
09:26.04jacekowskidone that only once
09:26.18JaffaHaving done extensive jetskiing recently - I want to move from the centre of the UK to somewhere more sea based. But without getting closer to the in-laws in Folkestone ;-)
09:26.41jacekowskiJaffa: well, in england it's always max 70miles from sea
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09:27.01johnxcrashanddie, meh. I plan to live forever. getting myself killed in a motorcycle accident would be dumb
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09:27.11Jaffajacekowski: I'm, almost literally (i.e. within 10 miles) of the official geographic centre of England.
09:27.22jacekowskijohnx: living to death is worse
09:27.28crashanddieJaffa, Cardiff is nice I hear :P
09:27.43jacekowskiwales
09:27.56Jaffacrashanddie: I could go and see Ianto's shrine.
09:28.04jacekowskiand torchwood HQ
09:28.27Jaffacrashanddie: Northern Scotland probably could be quite fun.
09:28.36johnxjacekowski, balance in all things :)
09:28.45crashanddiehehe -- under the Roald Dahl plaza?
09:29.22crashanddieJaffa, or Bristol -- even further away from the inlaws
09:29.46jacekowskiireland
09:29.56Jaffacrashanddie: Got blown up; who knows where the new one'll be for the next (international) series.
09:29.59crashanddieJaffa, I also spent some time in Doncaster, or Rotherham... Now those are shitholes.
09:30.15jacekowskiJaffa: they can always rebuild it
09:30.15JaffaWouldn't disagree there ;-)
09:30.34crashanddieI guess Manchester is relatively OK
09:30.38Jaffajacekowski: Indeed. But it'll be based at LHR for easier getting to their LA friends.
09:30.46crashanddieIf you can bear the thought of living close to lcuk :D
09:30.50jacekowskihow do you know?
09:30.58Jaffajacekowski: </jk>
09:31.02jacekowski?
09:31.17crashanddieanyway, coffee, and cancer sticks, 'later
09:31.18Jaffahttp://www.bigshinyrobot.com/reviews/archives/14384
09:31.23jacekowskiwhen is it going to air again anyways
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09:48.27ElAngeloanyone knows where to order spare parts for my n900
09:48.35ElAngeloi messed up the screws on the back of the screen
09:48.40ElAngelom1.4 2.8
09:48.57tybollt<PROTECTED>
09:48.59ElAngelothenokiaparts.com doesn't seem to have the screws anymore
09:49.07ElAngelohttp://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/N900-SCREWS-7000567
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09:50.50Myrttione might wonder how and why you messed the screws up in the first place
09:51.00Venemo~seen lcuk
09:51.04infobotlcuk is currently on #gsoc (1d 3h 20m 56s). Has said a total of 6 messages. Is idling for 1h 14m 49s, last said: 'timeless_mbp, I am not watching here and busy with stuff today'.
09:51.47ElAngeloMyrtti: i had to fix the earpiece
09:51.52ElAngeloit came loose by dropping the phone
09:51.57ElAngeloyes i know... i was being rude
09:52.01jarkkomElAngelo, those screws are pretty much standard parts, you could buy part kit for some other nokia phone and mix & match
09:52.09ElAngelohmmm
09:52.11ElAngelothat's an idea
09:53.42jarkkomor just hardware store, if you have one with really good selection nearby
09:54.00ElAngeloi have none with screws that small :s
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09:54.41johnxor harvest them from someone's glasses :D those have small screws
09:54.47ElAngelolol
09:55.31alteregoHeh
09:55.47alteregoI saw you could get a T9 set on ebay a while ago.
09:57.41ElAngelogrmbl
09:57.47ElAngeloi knew it were annoying screws
09:57.52ElAngeloand i was fairly carefull
09:57.57ElAngelobut not carefull enough so it seems
09:58.47alteregoHeh
09:59.32ElAngeloi might just go to a glasses'shop
09:59.35ElAngelothey might have these
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10:02.39hrwdoes someone here still use gizmo5 sip?
10:02.58Venemohow can I restart hildon-home safely?
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10:15.26hrw~curse morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification
10:15.26infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which wrote Maemo5 IM specification !
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10:16.01Venemojlol
10:16.03Venemolol
10:16.09psycho_oreosblasphemy!
10:16.11psycho_oreos;)
10:16.28hrwSelect SIP operator: username@some.host.name.which.has.nothing.common.with.operator.name / otherusername@yeat.another.sip.operator
10:16.30Venemo~curse morons which left libhildondektop undocumented
10:16.31infobotMay you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, morons which left libhildondektop undocumented !
10:16.44Venemo~nuke the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented
10:16.44infobotACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented ... B☢☢M!
10:16.45hrwVenemo: do not expect documentation from nokia
10:17.03Venemohrw: most of the Hildon stuff have very good doc
10:17.31psycho_oreos~lart morons who love propriatory work
10:17.32infobotmakes a balloon animal out of morons who love propriatory work
10:17.48Venemo~kill the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented
10:17.48infobotACTION shoots a charged anti-positrino gun at the morons which left libhildondektop undocumented
10:18.10psycho_oreos~slap nokia
10:18.10infobotACTION slaps nokia, keep your grubby fingers to yourself!
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10:20.04Venemo~MohammadAG
10:20.27Venemohm, seems he forgot this one
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10:25.03hrw~hrw
10:25.04infobotit has been said that hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - OpenEmbedded/Poky developer
10:25.33hrwinfobot: no, hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer
10:25.33infobotokay, hrw
10:25.46hrw~thx
10:25.46infobotnp, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11
10:25.53hrw~botsnack
10:25.53infobotthanks, hrw
10:26.00Venemolol
10:26.05Venemo~botsnack
10:26.05infobot:), Venemo
10:26.31hrwdo not overfeed the bot or it will puke
10:26.36Venemolol
10:26.50psycho_oreoslooks at the binary mess left on the floor
10:26.56Venemo~hrw
10:26.56infobotmethinks hrw is Marcin Juszkiewicz - Linaro, OpenEmbedded, Poky Linux developer
10:27.16Venemo~Venemo
10:27.21psycho_oreoss/mess/puke/
10:27.27Venemohow do I set it to infobot?
10:27.48Robot101Venemo: say "infobot: Venemo is blablabla"
10:28.10psycho_oreoss/mess/puke/g
10:28.29psycho_oreoshumm... wth
10:28.30Venemo~DocScrutinizer
10:28.31infobotwell, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
10:28.35psycho_oreoss/wth/wtf/
10:28.48Robot101psycho_oreos: doesn't do actions?
10:29.01psycho_oreosRobot101, just realised that :)
10:29.39Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET/C++/Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:29.39infoboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo
10:29.56Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:29.56infoboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo
10:30.10Venemowhich one is illegal?
10:30.18psycho_oreosprobably . , and ++
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10:30.32dsginfobot: You fail at character encoding
10:30.39Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:30.39infobotVenemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters
10:30.45johnxinfobot, johnx's favorite letter is ó
10:30.46infobotokay, johnx
10:30.52johnxwell it's not that ...
10:31.06johnxmaybe .NET is illegal :>
10:31.09Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a dotNET and Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:31.09infoboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, Venemo
10:31.23Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:31.23infobotVenemo: i'm not going to learn illegal characters
10:31.29Venemoinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristof, a developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:31.29infobotVenemo: okay
10:31.48Venemoinfobot: you should learn ó, seriously
10:32.09psycho_oreosinfobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:32.09infoboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos
10:32.10jjo:)
10:32.15johnx~johnx's favorite letter
10:32.15infobotrumour has it, johnx's favorite letter is ó
10:32.19johnxheh
10:32.20psycho_oreosbleh
10:32.31psycho_oreosinfobot: Venemo is Timur Kristóf a dotNET and Cplusplus and Qt developer as well as the author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:32.31infoboti'm not going to learn illegal characters, psycho_oreos
10:32.42johnxsleeps.
10:32.50hrwguys: /query infobot
10:32.51Venemolol'd at this
10:33.05Venemojohnx: perhaps you could set it for me?
10:33.07hrw~puke
10:33.07infobotHOOF BLEEEECH! *flush*
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10:33.22Venemojohnx: since it accepts ó from you
10:33.47johnxinfobot,  Venemo is Timur Kristóf
10:33.47infobot...but venemo is already something else...
10:33.55johnxinfobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristóf
10:33.55infobotjohnx: okay
10:34.08psycho_oreoswhoa :x
10:34.27johnxinfobot, Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:34.27infobot...but venemo is already something else...
10:34.32johnxinfobot, no, Venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:34.32infobotjohnx: okay
10:34.38johnx~Venemo
10:34.38infobotrumour has it, venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:34.41johnxmagic
10:35.09Venemohah
10:35.22Venemo~Venemo
10:35.22infoboti heard venemo is Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo
10:35.23johnxI wonder if one of you guys had gotten a newline or something copy+pasted in there
10:35.35johnxVenemo, hope that looks right. it'll be hard for you to change :)
10:35.39Venemohm, why is he writing the V in lowercase now?
10:35.53hrwbecause it does it will all names
10:35.56hrw~MAEMO
10:35.56infobotfrom memory, maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml
10:35.56keriobecause you're not worth an uppercase letter
10:36.15hrwwhole dictionary is lowercase keyed
10:36.23Venemokerio: as always, you have a very good sense of humor :)
10:36.53psycho_oreosexcept for names or the letter I
10:37.02psycho_oreoss/letter/word/
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10:57.51frals~frals
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10:57.54frals:<
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11:02.08BCMMwhich bit bothers you?
11:05.11fralsnot sure!
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11:15.08dimirhi guys, question about maemo 5.
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11:15.39dimirI can't find package libmaemosec-dev. Was it removed?
11:15.54dimirAnd where are now the header files, e. g. maemosec_storage.h .
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11:16.54Venemodimir: search http://maemo.org/packages/
11:17.03dimirI did.
11:17.06dimirThere is no such package.
11:17.11dimirBut it used to be in maemo 5.
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11:18.05Venemodimir: http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=maemosec&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
11:18.22Venemofor the keyword maemosec it did find stuff for me
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11:18.43dimirVenemo: I need exactly libmaemosec-dev because it contains the development headers.
11:19.06Venemodimir: there's no such thing here
11:19.21dimirOr I need to know what it was renamed to and where can I find the file like maemosec_storage.h now.
11:19.27Venemodimir: if you're sure it was in the repos earlier, poke X-Fade about it
11:19.47MohammadAG51nothing gets deleted afaik
11:19.56dimirVenemo: I am somewhat sure because asked someone that has old maemo5 target in sbox and this stuff is there.
11:20.16dimirMohammadAG51: That's what I thought too.
11:20.19MohammadAG51old maemo5?
11:20.24dimirye
11:20.44MohammadAG51Stskeeps, when does X-Fade come back?
11:20.44dimir"old" as in "hasn't been upgraded for year or so" :-)
11:20.53StskeepsMohammadAG51: no idea
11:21.11MohammadAG51stabs a trout
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11:22.20dimir:-D
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11:43.41rmrfchikwhat's new on maemo?
11:43.56SpeedEvilfirefox 4?
11:44.41Hoxzerdoes ff4 support html5 h264 video?
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11:44.58dimirFunny, git://gitorious.org/maemo-5-certificate-manager/maemo-security-certman.git contains these packages.
11:45.15dimirAnd I just build me libmaemosec-dev .
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11:45.46SpeedEvildunno
11:46.09rmrfchikff4 is eating memory
11:46.16VenemoFF doesn't support H.264, since H.264 is patented...
11:46.41rmrfchikVenemo: i heard, they relaxed h.264 licensing
11:46.52rmrfchikin august or such
11:46.52Venemohm, that's good news
11:47.01Hoxzerwell thay doesnt prevent mplayer from supporting h264
11:47.04marmoutermrfchik: not enought
11:47.10Venemolcuk, ping
11:47.43rmrfchikOn August 26, 2010 MPEG LA announced that H.264 encoded internet video that is free to end users will never be charged for royalties
11:47.48rmrfchikfrom wikipedia
11:48.08rmrfchikhmm
11:48.37rmrfchikcodecs still under royalties
11:48.44Venemoyeah...
11:48.56Surfasurprise?
11:48.57Venemoproperitary crap
11:49.15rmrfchikas we can say in russian "h264 is not need"
11:49.38xkr47I guess "internet video" can also be challenged
11:49.40rmrfchiklong live ogg/vp8 ;)
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12:09.25Venemoandre__: ping
12:09.36andre__Venemo, pong
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12:12.29crashanddieIn Soviet Russia, H264 encodes YOU!
12:13.07MohammadAG51In Soviet Russia, bugs open YOU!
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12:35.02lcukVenemo, I am v busy at the mo
12:35.24Venemosorry lcuk
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12:36.02Venemolcuk, if you have a moment, please tell me :)
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12:37.30johdhey there
12:37.51johdI'm having some problems getting stacked windows to work using pyqt
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12:42.20kraiskilI'm having problems running a sample dsp ping program. Everything goes OK, untill calling DSPNode_Terminate. The function call fails, but reboots the device (n900). Any hints on how to solve this are appreciated...
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12:59.27visheh, nokia panorama seems slightly sluggish
13:00.18vistook a test photo, and it's been processing it for 10 minutes
13:00.24visui is unusable
13:00.36DocScrutinizerhtop
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13:00.58vdvhi all
13:01.00DocScrutinizerkillall trackerd
13:01.20vistrying to ssh in, but no luck there
13:01.43viswell i'm in no hurry
13:01.59vdvif i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php)
13:02.02DocScrutinizerthen you probably have triggered a forkbomb, eating all process table slots (I had this with dbus-scripting)
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13:02.22viscould be
13:02.31DocScrutinizervdv: yes
13:02.37MohammadAG51vdv, yes
13:02.44vdv:) ok
13:03.04MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, didn't notice your answer, was reading scrollback lol
13:03.08vdvone more question: isn't root user enabled on "default" n900 firmware?
13:03.33MohammadAG51sort of, yes
13:03.48vdvyes == it's enabled?
13:03.48DocScrutinizernope,
13:03.54DocScrutinizeryou need pkg rootsh
13:03.55vdvi can't do su
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13:03.57MohammadAG51it's enabled, but su doesn't work
13:04.13DocScrutinizerand the command is "rot", not "su"
13:04.17MohammadAG51install rootsh, or go R&D and edit the script
13:04.17DocScrutinizerroot
13:04.26MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, i use su :)
13:04.34DocScrutinizerpff
13:04.46vdvi.e. i don't need new firmware to become root?
13:04.52MohammadAG51nope
13:04.53DocScrutinizerno
13:05.01vdv:) ok, thanks guys
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13:05.03crashanddie"su is rotten"?
13:05.04MohammadAG51type sudo gainroot, find it humorless, install rootsh
13:05.21djszapiwhere does the printk print the strings, into /var/log/syslog ?
13:05.36djszapi-> /var/log/messages* were earlier on Desktop distributions.
13:05.47DocScrutinizerrootsh pkg smply adds an entry to sudoers
13:06.15crashanddiedjszapi, configure /etc/syslog.conf
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13:06.25DocScrutinizerto be specific, the entry for 'sudo gainroot'
13:06.26MohammadAG51no DocScrutinizer
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13:06.31MohammadAG51it edits the whole script
13:06.38DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: yes, I know
13:06.45crashanddiedjszapi, there should be a line like kern.* /var/log/messages
13:06.45MohammadAG51not sure why
13:06.46djszapicrashanddie: what is default ?
13:06.48crashanddieor you need to add it
13:06.52vdvsudo gainroot says that i should enable rd mode
13:06.54DocScrutinizerwhich by itself is an abomination
13:07.05MohammadAG51vdv, install rootsh
13:07.06DocScrutinizervdv: that's BS
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13:07.18DocScrutinizerrootsh pkg
13:07.23MohammadAG51loves advice on tmo to use root; apt-get install rootsh
13:07.38DocScrutinizerLOL
13:07.55crashanddieis drowning in source code
13:08.16vdvi will do firmware update anyway
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13:08.37MohammadAG51comments out crashanddie's code,
13:08.45vdvi have now 2.2009.51-1 installed
13:09.05MohammadAG51scratches head
13:09.08MohammadAG51PR1.1
13:09.15DocScrutinizerouch
13:09.21johdok, figured it out... forgot an import -_-
13:09.41vdvit's second release, right?
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13:09.55Venemo~flashing
13:09.55infobotflashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
13:10.17Venemovdv: follow the link infobot gave us
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13:11.03vdvVenemo, ok, thanks
13:11.41MohammadAG51xchat needs a UI overhaul
13:11.43DocScrutinizervdv: stay away from VANILLA images, if you don't really need them
13:11.55DocScrutinizerGO MohammadAG51 GOOOO
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13:12.23vismeh
13:12.26vishad to remove battery
13:12.30MohammadAG51lol i wish i knew gtk well
13:12.39MohammadAG51wants qwerty12 back, *sobs*
13:12.40DocScrutinizergtk is dead
13:12.49crashanddieMohammadAG51, total lines of code: 320,524, development effort: 85.54, estimated average number of developers: 29, estimated cost: $11 million
13:12.49MohammadAG51gtk is epic
13:12.59vdvDocScrutinizer, vanilla images are all listed in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php ?
13:13.10crashanddiedeveloped effort = number of years to develop it
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13:13.10DocScrutinizeryes
13:13.19MohammadAG51crashanddie, can I comment out 1k lines of code and have $1 million?
13:13.24vdvDocScrutinizer, who makes else custom images?
13:13.28DocScrutinizervdv: those are for flashing /home and MyDocs
13:13.28MohammadAG5185 years? LOL
13:13.40MohammadAG51vdv, no one makes custom images
13:13.54MohammadAG51too tiresome with all the...
13:13.57DocScrutinizerhah, lie!
13:14.01MohammadAG51~optification
13:14.01infoboti heard optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3
13:14.03vdvDocScrutinizer, don't they flash kernel also?
13:14.08DocScrutinizernope
13:14.12crashanddieMohammadAG51, yeah... supposed to be 85 person years... (so 1 year for 85 people, or 85 years for one person)... Except this was done in about 6 years by one guy
13:14.40vdvDocScrutinizer, where are kernel images then?
13:14.43MohammadAG51I thought it took you guys 85 x 365 days
13:14.47DocScrutinizerCOMBINED
13:14.51MohammadAG51vdv, in combined images
13:15.07crashanddieMohammadAG51, no, this is a COCOMO estimate
13:15.07vdvand where are combined images? :)
13:15.12crashanddieMohammadAG51, from the source code
13:15.28DocScrutinizer[2010-10-11 15:01:59] <vdv> if i flash my n900, which image is appopriate for that? is RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM ok? (described as latest in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php)
13:15.46MohammadAG51combined contains modem images for all hardware revisions (although i've only seen one, 2101), 1st bootloader, 2nd bootloader image, kernel, rootfs and
13:16.01MohammadAG51i think that's it?
13:16.16DocScrutinizernot all of them have all those parts
13:16.30MohammadAG51all combined ones do
13:16.31DocScrutinizeraiui
13:16.58vdvDocScrutinizer, so image i've mentioned is combined, right?
13:17.00MohammadAG51and they're all flashed at once if -f is supplied without any --flash-only= arguments
13:17.16MohammadAG51vdv, hint's in the name, COMBINED ;)
13:17.22DocScrutinizerRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_***********COMBINED***************_MR0_ARM
13:17.43MohammadAG51MR0 is location specific right?
13:17.52MohammadAG51which in this case is global
13:17.56vdvDocScrutinizer, yes yes, i just don't understand why are you warned me to use combined, even if you saw my post previously
13:18.13MohammadAG51hmm
13:18.16MohammadAG51infobot, pr1.3
13:18.16infobotpr1.3 is probably a ban'able subject now.....
13:18.25DocScrutinizerI warned you not to bother to flash eMMC with VANILLA image
13:18.49MohammadAG51infobot, pr1.3 is also will probably be out in 1/0 days
13:18.49infobotMohammadAG51: okay
13:18.52vdvDocScrutinizer, ok
13:18.54MohammadAG51infobot, pr1.3
13:18.54infobotwell, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... will probably be out in 1/0 days
13:18.59DocScrutinizerand "warned" is maybe a too strong term
13:19.06MohammadAG51nice syntax, wrong grammar, but meh
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13:19.40DocScrutinizerWTF?
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13:19.54DocScrutinizer/kickban MohammadAG51 infobot
13:20.00MohammadAG51lol why?
13:20.06MohammadAG511/0 = infinity :P
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13:20.56MohammadAG51i hope meego doesn't follow the retarded update system maemo uses
13:21.10MohammadAG51FIXED? release the damn package
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13:21.59DocScrutinizermeego won't - it's FOSS
13:22.20MohammadAG51true, i wonder if the same applies for Maemo 6
13:22.28vdvflasher says "Unable to enumerate USB devices!"
13:22.37MohammadAG51vdv, linux?
13:22.41vdvyes
13:22.48DocScrutinizerso you bet OEMs will still ship major releases and nothing n between, but the patches will be public for more subsystems
13:22.52MohammadAG51hmm, running as root?
13:23.05vdvyes :)
13:23.16vdvshouldn't i?
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13:23.27MohammadAG51you should
13:24.16MohammadAG51wants to flash an N900 using another N900
13:24.33DocScrutinizerscratches head - since when tries flasher to enumerate?
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13:25.59DocScrutinizerwants to flash N900 natively ;-P
13:26.04MohammadAG51is there a good ide for gtk/c++?
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13:26.31DocScrutinizer:-P
13:26.37vdvMohammadAG51, emacs
13:26.47vdvDocScrutinizer, emacs :D
13:26.55dimir:-D
13:27.08dimirfetches popcorn
13:27.09DocScrutinizermaybe eclipse
13:27.21vdveclipse is cool
13:27.23DocScrutinizerNFC
13:27.35MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, get a hub, run two OSs simultaniously, then use hostmode
13:27.35MohammadAG51use port as a host, the other a client
13:27.37vdvunanswered post with my problem: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49256
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13:28.28DocScrutinizer\o/ finally!!! a post about flashing problems
13:28.35DocScrutinizerwas about time
13:28.53DocScrutinizerWTF is talk.maemo.org?
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13:29.06MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer,
13:29.06MohammadAG51is there a way to write rootfs.jffs2 to an mtd block w/o flasher?
13:29.09MohammadAG51if you can, i can probably cook a way to flash the N900 natively
13:29.15DocScrutinizerfound a line in my /etc/hosts: talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1
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13:30.06DocScrutinizergoogle jffs2, though I guess you'll need ubifs tools
13:30.20MohammadAG51nah, seriously
13:30.45DocScrutinizerseriously I thought we got ubifs
13:31.18Stskeepswe have ubifs but the image is for god knows what reason called rootfs.jffs2 when unpacking a fiasco image
13:31.23DocScrutinizerubi0:rootfs on / type ubifs (rw,bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc)
13:31.36jaskaprobably historical.. like that kp_enter thing :)
13:31.48Stskeepsgood old kp_ener..
13:31.49Stskeeps+t
13:32.18DocScrutinizerscrewit, fix it, it's described on http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
13:32.54Myrttiwhy isn't that on a proper wikipage?
13:32.59Myrttino, forget it, nevermind
13:33.04DocScrutinizerthough I gather it's a bandaid it wfm
13:34.44GAN900Myrtti, Jebba does it with his stuff, too.
13:34.50GAN900Seems to be a weird trend.
13:35.07MohammadAG51hmm
13:35.11MohammadAG51maybe flashcp
13:35.54DocScrutinizerwiki.m.o/some_crappy_uncommented_cmdline_stuff_for_jorg_rws_private_usage_use_on _own_peril
13:36.29DocScrutinizermompls, lemme copy the page
13:36.30MohammadAG51Writes to the specified MTD device.
13:36.31DocScrutinizer:-P
13:36.33MohammadAG51nandwrite, got it
13:37.35DocScrutinizerI can move this stuff to another server, preferrably one with authentication needed. Better?
13:38.42DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: you need to build an image prior to nandwrite, with ubifs tools, loopmount, etc pp
13:41.01jaskascratches head why osso-xterm doesnt use the space reserved for vscrollbar even with vscrollbar-policy never
13:42.04DocScrutinizerjaska: your comment makes me scratch my head as well :-)
13:42.39jaskadoc, i patched my osso-xterm to specify vscrollbar-policy GTK_POLICY_NEVER so it doesnt show the fingerscrollbar that doesnt do anything other than consume space :)
13:42.59jaskait doesnt show it.. but neither will it use the space for the missing 80th character column like it did on n810
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13:43.27jaskamaking sense is optional.
13:43.38MohammadAG51jaska, how? i thought osso-xterm was closed source
13:43.47jaskanah
13:43.53jaskaapt-get source osso-xterm?:)
13:44.03DocScrutinizerjaska: I see, those missing 10 pixel
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13:44.40jaskai thought i had fixed it months ago.. now just patching the kp_enter in my version of vte i thought to look at it again
13:45.26DocScrutinizerjaska for president
13:45.44jaskaid prefer god-emperor
13:45.53Stskeepslibvte and osso-xterm are oss, yeah
13:46.17jaskai remember using qwerty12s patches back on diablo
13:46.17mmlj4want to be like obama, huh?
13:47.08DocScrutinizerI can't emember which patch I am using, I got http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for this to document things
13:47.48DocScrutinizerhttps://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705
13:48.07jaskadont think that has the dark grey fix?
13:48.29DocScrutinizernope, prolly not
13:48.35DocScrutinizerjust NK-enter
13:50.44jaskahttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7164 has the darkgrey thing
13:50.46povbot`Bug 7164: osso-xterm dark grey color shown as black
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14:01.58wazdMS UI presentation is kinda silly :)
14:03.07fralsoh is that today?
14:03.15wazd"I can press the "camera" button and take a photo!"
14:03.24wazdhttp://www.microsoft.com/presspass/presskits/windowsphone/liveEvent.aspx
14:04.01fralssilverlight :|
14:04.11lindi-says "Microsoft Silverlight Required"
14:04.29wazdwell, I guess that's not a shocker :D
14:04.42fralsnice, in my virtual windows i got a link to play it in windows media player instead
14:05.14lindi-windows media play does not make this much easier :)
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14:06.42fralshm, seems i dont have audio in my vm.. :P
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14:07.52wazdthe fanciest thing yet - rotating toolbar icons, that's cool
14:08.51DocScrutinizerOMG!!1!!1 it takes PHOTOS when you press the camera button - *INCREDIBLE*
14:09.01wazdyeah, that was lame :D
14:10.02DocScrutinizeryawns like a dog
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14:11.53fcrochikHi... My first time here... I am trying to package communi (irc qt client) for maemo and got an error with autobuilder that I havent seen before... I would appreciate some help
14:13.03fcrochikI created a package for the lib (libircclient-qt) ...all works fine on my scratchbox but the autobuilder didn't like it:
14:13.10fcrochikhttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
14:13.24MohammadAG51clicks
14:13.43DocScrutinizercrochik, sounds familiar :-)
14:13.54fcrochikthe error or me?
14:14.00DocScrutinizeryou :-D
14:14.34MohammadAG51he made the WoL app
14:14.45DocScrutinizeryep, plus another few
14:14.53MohammadAG51fcrochik, hmm, can you specify dependencies manually?
14:15.45MohammadAG51yeah
14:15.46fcrochikMohammand, I thought that was what I did... I have to say this is not by far my strongest skill
14:16.31MohammadAG51fcrochik, then comment out dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules and it should build fine
14:16.53fcrochikI will try... thanks!
14:16.55MohammadAG51you might want to take out the variables in debian/control, line Depends:
14:17.23MohammadAG51fcrochik, what does the irc client look like? :)
14:17.58MohammadAG51hmm, tray icon, textbrowser(=kinetic scrolling), yay?
14:18.40fcrochikI am using it right now.... I like it...
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14:19.05fcrochikhttp://bitbucket.org/communi/communi/wiki/Home
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14:21.30fcrochikLike I said this is my first time using irc (yes...believe or not)... but I already would like to make some changes... like combine all the different channels on one list (replacing the date with the channel name)... and so on... as fas as communi goes I would like to get rid of the tabs on the left and not show some other like "ChanelServ"
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14:23.38MohammadAG51fcrochik, can you link me to the cauldron list, lost my bookmark on the N900 lol
14:24.15Myrttifcrochik: that is dependent on your IRC client, some can do that
14:24.35DocScrutinizer51grabs his usability director's hat, ponders a while, throws hat back to its place and utters 'meh'
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14:25.54vdvi'm typing a word, but can't make it's first letter be small, can't i do it with physical keyboard?
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14:26.44DocScrutinizer51you can
14:27.02DocScrutinizer51try pressing shift
14:27.03marmoutevdv: you can disabe the auto-caps options too
14:27.16DocScrutinizer51better yet
14:27.28fcrochikMohammand, this sounds like a alien language to me ...granted that english is not my first language ... sorry... what is cauldron list?
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14:27.57fcrochikand sorry for misspelling your nick... :(
14:28.16vdvmarmoute, pressing shift doesn't work
14:28.43MohammadAG51i'm disappointed! :P https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/
14:28.56MohammadAG51it's the mailing list all build results go into
14:29.48MohammadAG51wow @ links-hacked
14:31.00marmoutevdv: in the settings
14:31.20MohammadAG51shouts @ the uploader, a makefile isn't going to fix itself!
14:31.40MohammadAG51wtf http://maemo.org/packages/view/pvrcreator/
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14:33.00lindi-MohammadAG51: you mean Mr. unknown <Bonapart@unknown>?
14:33.19lindi-remembers why he linkes the debian policy...
14:33.24MohammadAG51i uploaded it :/
14:33.37lindi-why is Maintainer field with illegal email address?
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14:38.06RST38hMoo, Mohammad. How are things?
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14:40.11DocScrutinizerthere'd be another few functions I'd have already implemented to xchat if only python plugin would work: chan tab aliases; metachannels that pick up all highlights and on click link back to the original location in other chan's scrollback; separate subwindow of adjustible size (like 3 lines on bottom) to catch all the join/quit and other configurable msgs...
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14:43.13DocScrutinizerof course kinetic scroll, that doesn't interfere with highlighting text when you initially drag horizontally instead of vertical
14:43.16fcrochikMohammad, it failed again... I commented out the dh_shlibdeps line on debian/rules but got the same error...
14:43.30fcrochikhttps://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/communi_2.0.0-1/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
14:43.54fcrochikooops... my bad!! looking on the old version log! :(
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14:46.04MohammadAG51lindi-, noob
14:46.12MohammadAG51RST38h, fine I guess :)
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14:46.41DocScrutinizerthen (in xchat) od course fix a few minor things, like decoration of input textfield is much to space consuming, chantabs context menu broken when chantabs are treeview
14:46.58lindi-MohammadAG51: use lintian
14:47.16DocScrutinizerlindian ?
14:47.43lindi-DocScrutinizer: Debian package checker
14:48.21DocScrutinizerieatlintian :-P
14:49.07lindi-DocScrutinizer: and then there's http://piuparts.debian.org/
14:49.54DocScrutinizerlindi-: just kidding :-)
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14:50.28PhonicUKwooo i have Android on my N900 :)
14:50.32PhonicUKworks well after a few reboots
14:50.48DocScrutinizerexcept for the above lengthy comment about xchat, which was addressed to MohammadAG51 and RST38h I guess
14:51.04fcrochikFor some reason it did not like my description (maybe too long lines) but it built. In other words: communi is available on extras-devel if anyone wants to try it
14:51.20DocScrutinizerandridiot, pffft
14:51.29wmarone[QUOTE=DavidWilliams312;838339]On the contrary, I wish it did have basic functionality that a business grade phone should have like sync with Outlook, MSOffice application converter/reader...other phones have![/QUOTE]
14:51.31wmaronedoh
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14:51.49wmaroneponders why cut didn't take text out of the chat window
14:52.30DocScrutinizereh??
14:53.08DocScrutinizerwonders why wmarone didn't expect cut to take out a part of the LCD
14:53.19wmaronetakes a knife to his screen
14:54.16MohammadAG51needs a PH0
14:54.39PhonicUKthis is sweet
14:54.40MohammadAG51screen's getting lose, that's what happens when you forget it on your bed cover and smack it
14:55.07MohammadAG51still new though
14:55.28fluxI wonder what my pulseaudio is doing.. I'm not playing anything, I've disconnected the bt headset but it still takes 20% cpu
14:56.30MohammadAG51wmarone, i used a knife on my screen protector
14:56.30MohammadAG51just for the fun of it
14:57.11MohammadAG51kill it with fiar
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15:02.05DocScrutinizerflux: PA is crap
15:04.20maybeArghno, PA is great
15:04.34maybeArghour feeble minds are just not capable to grasp all of its glory
15:04.35DocScrutinizerflux: issues like the one you described are very common, and basically there are 3 things that can be done: 1) reboot, 2) killall pulsaudio 3) get rid of PA all together and make maemo use a sane more bugfree audio subsystem
15:05.05fluxdocscrutinizer, in increasing order of task size?-)
15:05.12DocScrutinizeryep
15:05.33DocScrutinizeror in increasing order of correct way to tackle the BS
15:06.17MohammadAG51what's a sane more bugfree audio subsystem?
15:06.29DocScrutinizernota bene I didn't bother to mention 0) fix PA
15:06.56DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: e.g. ALSA?
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15:08.13MohammadAG51heh nitdroid does that
15:08.32MohammadAG51i really don't get why nokia hardcoded most shit on the N900
15:08.46MohammadAG51use available mic, not only the one specified in pulseaduio
15:09.05DocScrutinizererr?
15:09.05Corsacbecause maemo5 wouldn't ever be used outside of n900 anyway?
15:09.36GAN900DocScrutinizer, all of those things sound amazing.
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15:10.07DocScrutinizerGAN900: which things?
15:11.25DocScrutinizerGAN900: reboot? or ALSA?
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15:13.32GAN900DocScrutinizer, XChat.
15:13.40DocScrutinizeraah
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15:22.51vdvhow can i disable usb connection without removing cable?
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15:23.07SpeedEvilWhat do you mean by disable USB connection
15:23.26crashanddievdv use a knife, cut cable in half
15:23.40vdv:)
15:24.14vdvwhen i plugin cable it asks to choose connection type, synchro, usb mass or just acc
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15:24.59vdvnow, when i connect as usb mass device then want to disconnect, but without getting cable off
15:25.26vdvfor example with usb mass storage mode file manager shows nothing
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15:26.15Divanhi guys, is there any list of all maemo dbus events?
15:26.21vdvand which folder in filesystem corresponds to one which is opened on pc when in usb mass storage mode?
15:26.44Divan/home/user/MyDocs
15:27.12SpeedEvilVDV: unplug the other end of the cable
15:27.19wazdjrocha: ping? :)
15:27.33jrochawazd, pong
15:28.01wazdjrocha: o/ :) Thanks again for SeriesFinale, awesome application :)
15:28.09jrochawazd, hey, no problem
15:28.15wazdjrocha: have you received my e-mail? :)
15:28.20vdvDivan, thanks, one more question, is there any way to do TAB-completion in shell?
15:28.39jrochayes but I was waiting until the end of the day to reply it
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15:29.23vdvDivan, ah, sorry, there's a button on screen
15:29.24SpeedEvilThere was a hak somewhere rthat put a tab button on the bar
15:29.28SpeedEviloh
15:29.33SpeedEvilsorry - it's there already
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15:29.45jrochawazd, ^
15:30.14wazdjrocha: ah, ok :)
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15:30.55Divanvdv. Ctrl-I as well
15:31.18yaccAny howtos to compile your own kernel for the N900?
15:31.21alteregoWell, I've got my proper work contracts out of the way :)
15:31.31alteregoSo I can start working on my projects again :D
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15:31.38yacc(I'd like to add the compcache patch so that unused swap gets immediatly freed), ...
15:32.11hrwyacc: maemo wiki has few pages about it
15:32.11visthe right image to try meego on n900 is the handset one? not core?
15:32.36yacchrw, well, I've been hoping that somebody has already added compcache, ...
15:32.38yacc:-P
15:33.02Stskeepsvis: yes, handset's the right one
15:33.11visthanks
15:33.24Stskeepsvis: we hang out in #meego-arm if you have additional questions
15:33.43jrochawazd, you can send me your suggestions about the design
15:33.50jrochawazd, I appreciate them
15:33.54hrwStskeeps: btw - how good is n900 supported with 2.6.35-meego kernel?
15:34.03wazdjrocha: cool, will do :)
15:34.06jrochawazd, but I can't promise you I'll follow them
15:34.12yacc(and it's not only about performance in numbers, it's also about usability, with the eMMC swap, my N900 becomes mostly unusable when 256MB are in use or so. With compcache on my desktop the same things happens [with different numbers] with hdd swap. With compcache swap the swap gets used up in seconds, and after that the OOM killer starts it work.)
15:34.22wazdjrocha: ah, it's all up to you ofcourse :)
15:34.25Stskeepshrw: we don't have DVFS yet, but i guess it's better to ask what we don't have
15:34.33wazdhello all btw :)
15:34.34Stskeepshrw: or rather, if we have something
15:34.48Stskeepshrw: excepting SGX everything should be upstream
15:35.19hrwStskeeps: does TI sgx works or does meego require special versions?
15:35.29yaccWith the existing 256MB RAM and 768MB eMMC, the devices trashes into unusability long before the swap fills up, ...
15:35.31yaccNot good.
15:35.41Stskeepshrw: well, sgx libs usually match into a certain kernel driver
15:35.58hrwyacc: put class6 microsd card inside and place swap there?
15:36.02Stskeepshrw: so the ones we have in kernel match the ones we have in non-oss
15:36.12hrwStskeeps: sure.
15:36.26yaccI prefer a dead browser to a phone that is unusable (and can probably not take calls, but for sure cannot read/answer SMS) for 30-120 minutes till the swap fill up and processes start to die.
15:36.49hrwStskeeps: linaro guys have sgx and ogles working on omap3 with ubuntu 10.10 with 2.6.35 so should work also on n900
15:37.12Stskeepshrw: yeah, should
15:37.15yacchrw, actually I seem to have benchmarked 12MB/s reads on the internal eMMC if I remember right (the N900 is still a new toy for me, I'm in week 2 of my N900 adventure), so a class 6 SDHC won't help.
15:37.15hrwyacc: talk.maemo.org + search "swapolube"
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15:38.27alteregoI've noticed abill_uk seems to have dissappeared :)
15:38.28hrwStskeeps: anyway as I have just one n900 I prefer to use maemo on it. have nitroid installed on uSD but n900 lacks android keys
15:38.41alteregoMaybe he finally blew up all of his N900's when trying to hack OTG
15:38.43yaccDo I need only swappolube or also the nogui package?
15:39.05hrwfirst
15:39.16Stskeepsalterego: i just hope he ended up choking on his n900 after the tmo deathsquad found him
15:40.19alteregoHeh
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15:42.04dsgWhat is "tmo"? (seen that reference a lot around here)
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15:42.18dsgah
15:43.15SpeedEvilOr tmobile
15:43.20SpeedEvilwhich can confuse
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15:45.46GAN900yacc, writes are what kill you. :)
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15:51.17jaskahmm, even if i remove the HildonPannableArea from osso-xterm it still misses pixels horizontally :(
15:52.47DocScrutinizeralterego: don't summon him by speaking his name :-P
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15:53.52DocScrutinizert-mobile usually is T-Mo
15:53.58DocScrutinizernot tmo
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15:55.06alteregoHahah
15:55.15alteregoToo late ...
15:55.33alteregoMy contract upgrade is burning a hole in my pocket
15:55.57alteregoI've tried to order an N8 a few times but luckily as I Was using the wrong card the website wouldn't let me upgrade. Now I'm thinking of waiting anyway.
15:56.10DocScrutinizeralterego: probably he'd otherwise jump on MohammadAG51's thread " [Testers needed] USB Hostmode prealpha for the N900" and explain this can not work without his hw tweaks
15:56.11alteregoThough an N8 would be neat for using whilst I hack with MeeGo on the N900
15:56.19alteregoHeh
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15:56.42alteregoYeah, the amount of times I told him we didn't need any hardware mods for hostmode ...
15:56.46alteregoHe made me so angry.
15:56.58D-IivilWho?
15:57.05alteregoabill_uk
15:57.11DocScrutinizerin-A-Bill
15:57.13alteregoAnnoying user on t.m.o
15:57.19alteregounabill_uk ..
15:57.40alteregoHe had some of the worst command of the English language on t.m.o and, he's supposed to be English ..
15:57.44alteregoI feel somewhat ashamed.
15:57.47MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, please respect other "engineers" xP
15:57.51D-Iivil:D
15:58.00DocScrutinizerLOL
15:58.04DocScrutinizermuhahaha
15:58.05alteregoHah
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15:58.43MohammadAG51you can talk about the government now, channel isn't logged anymore lol
15:58.55DocScrutinizereh?
15:59.02MohammadAG51* povbot` has quit (Remote host closed the connection)
15:59.09DocScrutinizerwtf?
15:59.13MohammadAG51"It's dead, Jim"
15:59.20DocScrutinizerinfobot also logs, btw
15:59.25DocScrutinizer~logs
15:59.25infobotAll conversations are logged to http://ibot.rikers.org/channel, where "channel" is replaced by the URL-encoded channel name, such as %23freenode for #freenode. Lines starting with spaces are not logged. logs are updated daily
15:59.25MohammadAG51i always wanted to say that
15:59.44MohammadAG51cool
15:59.45MohammadAG51hacks infobot
15:59.56MohammadAG51~stab infobot
15:59.56infobotACTION runs at infobot with an origami Swiss Army knife, and inflicts a nasty paper cut.
16:00.05MohammadAG51see? it's dillusional
16:00.09alteregoI hate it when facebook's js stuff stops working ..
16:00.17alteregoNot even an error, just a load of broken f*cking links.
16:00.21MohammadAG51alterego, facebook rapes cpus with its js
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16:00.32MohammadAG51and its js sucks
16:00.32D-IivilI can't remember last time I logged in facebook.
16:00.47alteregoD-Iivil: I can't remember the last time I logged out ;)
16:00.56MohammadAG51sadly, i can't leave facebook
16:00.57DocScrutinizerI'm quite sure I dunno what facebook is at all
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16:01.06DocScrutinizerand I like to keep it this way
16:01.08D-IivilI don't understand facebook addicts...
16:01.09MohammadAG51my school doesn't have any other ways of getting photos from me
16:01.23MohammadAG51otherwise i'd deactivate, permanently
16:01.32MohammadAG51D-Iivil, me neither, it's a waste of time
16:01.49MohammadAG51i know people who spend more than half their day on facebook
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16:02.08D-IivilMohammadAG51: it was cool when it "came" for little while. But the hype went away pretty fast for me.
16:02.10MohammadAG51first half = sleep, second half = facebook, third half = real useful work
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16:02.24MohammadAG51and we all know third halves don't exist
16:02.39DangerMausbut they never
16:02.42alteregoHah
16:02.42DangerMausyepyep
16:02.45MohammadAG51D-Iivil, i never liked it
16:02.47alteregoI use it as a tool.
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16:02.53D-Iivilshit, gotta go.
16:02.58alteregoI don't play games, I barely ever update my "status".
16:03.05alteregoI just use it to share photos
16:03.11alteregoAnd "networking" ..
16:03.13MohammadAG51i use it as a place to store photos for the school, and send messages/chat
16:03.24alteregoMohammadAG51: yeah, exactly.
16:03.36alteregoI've deleted pretty much every game from being displayed on my wall.
16:03.52alteregoBesides, facebook is kind of cool for informal stalking of girls.
16:03.55MohammadAG51status, hmm, how do you update that again? :P
16:03.55MohammadAG51last time i updated it would be long long before March
16:03.58alteregoI mean, making friends with women.
16:04.15MohammadAG51yeah, I get what you mean
16:04.20alteregoI mean, finding out where that girl you met in the bar lives.
16:04.23alteregoOh wait, I mean.
16:04.27alteregoOh, I should give up :D
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16:04.48MohammadAG51some of my classmates go through others' friends lists and add peeps they don't know
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16:05.28alteregotbh, I think I can count the amount of people I've actually requested to be facebook friends on one hand. I've got, lets see, 152 "friends" but I actually know every single one of them personally.
16:05.49alteregoAnd 99.9% added me ;)
16:06.04MohammadAG51alterego, some girl here has 4900+ friends
16:06.21alteregoUrgh, I know a couple that have that.
16:06.38MohammadAG51i wonder how fast her news feed scrolls
16:06.56MohammadAG51or if the js code just collapses :p
16:07.07alteregoTwo of them are university wannabe politicions. And the other is a vein, anorexic wannabe fashion photographer/model.
16:07.10alteregoGo figure ;)
16:07.18SpeedEviluses twitter slightly.
16:07.26alteregoHeh, indeed.
16:07.26MohammadAG51lol
16:07.31SpeedEvilBut just for monitoring the status of people I actually need to interact with.
16:07.47SpeedEvil'x will be available in y minutes' is actually quite handy
16:07.50MohammadAG51lost interest in twitter after losing interest in symbian
16:07.58alteregoHah
16:08.04alteregoI was never really interested in Twitter,
16:08.13alteregoI think one social network is good enough tbh.
16:08.29MohammadAG51Gravity was just awesome on symbian
16:08.29MohammadAG51the UI of gravity got me into twitter
16:08.31alteregoThough I guess twitter is 100% public isn't it? But a bit more annonymous
16:08.46MohammadAG51twitter's for internet friends imo
16:08.48SpeedEvilNo, its not 100% public - you can do private
16:08.51MohammadAG51facebook for irl
16:09.01MohammadAG51though rl beats online rl
16:09.18SpeedEvilAnd my twitter account cannot be traced back to any other online activities.
16:09.36MohammadAG51didn't you had a twitter account
16:09.50alteregoI've been going out with this girl for a year and a half now, and everytime we have an argument she changes her relationship status on facebook.
16:10.01SpeedEvil:)
16:10.02alteregoIt's quite annoying, but, meh :)
16:10.07MohammadAG51LOL
16:10.17alteregoTo get my own back though, I did it to her last week.
16:10.19SpeedEvilIt would be _really_useful_ if she'd actually include the real reason.
16:10.25MohammadAG51has it as single, will always be that way on facebook
16:10.27Stskeepsalterego: facebook has this irritating feature that it shows the updated status before the other person accepts..
16:10.32MohammadAG51regardless of rl
16:10.34alteregoYou wouldn't believe the hipocritical bs I got for that maneuver ^.^
16:10.55alteregoStskeeps: hah :)
16:11.02Stskeepsalterego: me and my wife's engagement leaked a little too early cos of that :)
16:11.13alteregoStskeeps: I'm not sure I want other girls on fbook knowing the size of my member tbh
16:11.29alteregoStskeeps: you proposed to your wife on facebook? :P
16:11.37Stskeepsalterego: no, i'm not that silly
16:11.45alteregoDid you attempt to change your relationship status before you gave her the ring ;)
16:11.47Stskeepsno
16:11.50Stskeepsand what ring
16:11.50Stskeeps:P
16:12.08alteregoHeh, I wonder if some sad muppet has actually use a facebook status request as an engagement method
16:12.09Stskeepsshe said yes anyway, so i knew she was of the right caliber :)
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16:12.46alteregoI don't even know why I'm asking that question, it's obvious there are a million people out there that would do that.
16:12.58alteregoHell, I probably personally know some of 'em.
16:13.19alteregoI noticed in Dexter this week, he has an N8!
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16:13.42ieatlintcome on, text based communication is the more awesome way to tell people major news these days
16:13.52SpeedEvilYou know when you have the right calibre of girl when she fits in your circus cannon just right.
16:14.14ieatlinti think you have things backwards there...
16:14.19alteregoHahah
16:14.23alteregowoof
16:14.39MohammadAG51Stskeeps, i'm assuming you're stskeeps there?
16:14.58Stskeepson twitter?
16:15.03Stskeepsi never say anything interesting
16:15.07MohammadAG51no, fb
16:15.12Stskeepsno
16:15.40MohammadAG51there was some facebook.com/stskeeps guy, i see it's deactivated now
16:15.52StskeepsMohammadAG51: there's this malay guy who impersonated me..
16:15.57Stskeepsno iea why
16:16.03MohammadAG51lol
16:16.28alteregoHeh
16:16.29MohammadAG51invites DocScrutinizer to facebook
16:16.37MohammadAG51you know you want to :P
16:16.46DocScrutinizerlarts MohammadAG51
16:17.14MohammadAG51makes an account for DocScrutinizer using his openmoko address
16:17.26MohammadAG51facebook doesn't require email activation btw :P
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16:22.31RST38hHello, Stskeeps, you malay pole... =)
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16:22.39MohammadAG51LOL
16:23.39RST38hMeanwhile: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/11/windows_phone7_launch/
16:23.39VDVsxalterego, well: http://www.willyoumarrymekc.com/geeky-proposals/
16:23.50VDVsxslashdot case is very popular :D
16:25.41GAN900RST38h, no copy paste cracks me up.
16:26.00GAN900The Apple media will surely stomp all over them for that.
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16:29.46fralsw7phone doesnt look that bad
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16:31.56MohammadAG51frals, you're right, it looks like shit :P
16:32.14alteregofrals: but looks are only 99.9% of a smartphones usefulness.
16:32.28JaffaWP7: making MeeGo look good since 2010.
16:32.30RST38hGAN: oh well, not like I expected anything different from MS
16:32.30fralsthe video i saw looked good, cept they couldve cut the transition animation time by 90%
16:32.42MohammadAG51wrong, looks are everything, according to iFans :p
16:32.48fralsemail client looked nice imo :p
16:32.51MohammadAG51LOL Jaffa
16:33.03korhojoaJaffa, :D
16:33.23GAN900Jaffa, yeah, $10 it'll be just as boring as iOS after a week, though?
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16:34.59RST38hMohammad: Actually, making gadgets feel like precious pieces of artisanship is not such a bad idea
16:35.11GAN900^
16:35.15RST38hMohammad: Chronometerwatches sell for thounsands
16:35.24GAN900People like things that are well engineered an pretty.
16:35.46RST38hGAN: Well, most Nokias are well engineered, but pretty they are not...
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16:36.06RST38hmost engineering is on the inside, sadly
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16:47.24vdvhave anyone installed gcc on n900?
16:47.57fluxvdv, speedevil has
16:49.03vdvSpeedEvil, i can't find packages in repositories, how did you install gcc?
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16:51.52johnsqHi
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16:52.25alteregoStill can't get my head around the Qt Designer / qml
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16:53.25alteregoQML is fine, I can do it just editing it in an editor
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16:53.46alteregoBut the designer, I dunno, I'm just aweful with wysiwyg editors
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17:01.00MohammadAG51RST38h, and I agree, but functionality shouldn't be sacrificied for looks
17:01.29RST38hMohammad: Actually, it is inevitable, unless you are an absolute genius
17:02.04RST38hMohammad: Apple achieves what it achieves by making a list of usage cases for the device and then polishing every usagecase to perfection
17:02.22RST38hMohammad: Of course, this means that their functionality will be limited to these use cases
17:03.09inzvdv, isn't gcc in http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk free
17:03.12RST38hIf you make the device more functional, new use cases spring up, and the device will not be optimized for them, hence seeming "unpolished" feel
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17:03.36RST38hSo, in short, there is no way to make your Maemo/Meego device as polished as iPhone :)
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17:03.50MohammadAG51RST38h, regardless, the iPhone's GFX card is the same as the N900, but the N900 lags more
17:04.10RST38hMohammad: Because nobody optimized 3D on N900
17:04.18MohammadAG51Nokia could've added vsync easily, BEFORE they actually started development
17:04.30MohammadAG51now it's just too late, at least for Maemo 5
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17:04.55RST38hMohammad: My guess is that it will be "late" for every Nokia device
17:05.28RST38hMohammad: All Maemo devices (770, 800, 810, 900) are known to have these unfortunate little problems
17:05.47MohammadAG51and I really love maemo 5's UI,the concept at least
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17:06.41MohammadAG51RST38h, vsync works on the N900, and it works well, cept for some X crashes, they were too lazy to do it
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17:07.03RST38hMohammad: The more stuff gets open sourced, the better
17:07.11RST38hNot that it automatically means someone will fix it
17:08.04MohammadAG51RST38h, true, but some stuff can't be open sourced
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17:09.39johnsqso many developers and nobody knows what Reverse Engineering was.
17:10.22JaffaMohammadAG51: Problems with X and vsync on Maemo sounds similar to the problems Stskeeps has described with the vsync gfx drivers for N900 MeeGo
17:12.33RST38hjohnsq: so, i assume you have done some reverse engineering on maemo?
17:12.48GAN900Anybody think Nokia will ever ship a device with non-tearing graphics?
17:12.54johnsqRST38h: no, but 20 years ago.
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17:13.18RST38hjohnsq: then do not complain about the lack of smart developers.
17:13.37RST38hGAN: Any S60 phone with double buffering? =)
17:13.43johnsqRST38h: than don't complain about not open source.
17:13.47RST38hLike, you know, N95? :)
17:14.47jarkkomat least S60 apps on symbian are double buffered by default, even though it's because of some limitation of qt/symbian
17:14.57jarkkomoops meant qt apps on S60
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17:22.11GAN900RST38h, Symbian doesn't count.
17:22.19GAN900But my 5800 was tear city.
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17:22.43SpeedEvilVDV: I would recommend copying / to /home/user/chroot - and then installing gcc in a chroot there
17:23.03SpeedEvilSimply as dev packages together are huge and not optified
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17:31.17fluxvdv, I don't know how he did, but I think that in principle the gcc in the scratchbox-based sdk should work
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17:34.38vdvSpeedEvil, why in chroot, i don't fully undestand idea
17:34.47vdv*understand
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17:36.55SpeedEvilVDV: so you don't waste space in /
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17:37.55vdvah, storage in / is limited, right?
17:38.25vdvi don't yet understand how 32Gb distributes in all filesystem
17:38.47SpeedEvil256M in / - not part of the 32G
17:38.57Stskeepsout of curiousity..
17:39.06Stskeepsif meego was to deploy onto emmc, how would you partition it?
17:39.15vdvand opt is on the same partition as / ?
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17:39.26GAN900Stskeeps, very carefully!
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17:39.50DrWilkenopt is the same as /home and is on eMMC
17:40.02SpeedEvil2G in /home/user/ - as ext2 - which is also opt
17:40.09StskeepsGAN900: well, how'd you partition it?
17:40.11SpeedEvilremainder of space is swap and mydocs - which is 30G
17:40.27JaffaStskeeps: Assuming base OS size == ?
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17:40.35SpeedEvilStskeeps: I'd slice off 4G for it probably
17:40.57Jaffawas going to say 3GB for base OS, 2GB for /home and rest as VFAT for media.
17:41.13StskeepsJaffa: ~700mb atm i think
17:41.18Stskeepsthis is with sample media and such
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17:41.31JaffaStskeeps: Sample media is under /home?
17:41.43Stskeeps<PROTECTED>
17:41.49DrWilkenI have 8GB for /home on maemo. Don't like to run out of space.
17:42.10JaffaStskeeps: Presumably an actual release wouldn't ship with too much
17:42.52MohammadAGStskeeps, is the source of the initrd image available?
17:42.58StskeepsMohammadAG: of our initrd?
17:43.09StskeepsMohammadAG: it's in gitorious i think
17:43.39Stskeepsthe way we're thinking about doing it .. or at least i am: kernel that boots into a initrd that exports emmc as usb mass storage
17:44.18JaffaStskeeps: And then how'd you write & partition it in a cross-platform way?
17:44.29JaffaStskeeps: How's eMMC speed compared with various classes of SD?
17:44.30Stskeepswell, that's the other challenge
17:44.32StskeepsJaffa: better
17:44.39JaffaStskeeps: Indeed :-)
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17:45.27JaffaStskeeps: Better approach might be: download image to VFAT on eMMC. Run a Maemo app which repartitions (using something like gparted) and expands
17:46.03StskeepsJaffa: maybe, but ideally we shouldn't bootstrap using maemo..
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17:48.17tobis87p1 swap swap 512mb, p2 /  ubifs 4gb, p3 /home jfs 8gb, p4 extended partion, p5 /media/data (logical) jfs the rest
17:48.37Stskeepswell, it's all btrfs and vfat, i think
17:48.42SpeedEvilJaffa: It's identical to my cheap 1G microSD. at ~12M/s
17:48.57tobis87why? brtfs is not stable and vfat has an huge overhead
17:49.17Stskeepsarchitectual choices
17:49.56tobis87xfs is too much, ext3 is too slow, jfs would be fast on arm.
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17:51.40tobis87vfat for windows, ok... but why brtfs? s there no valid alternative without oracle
17:52.27Stskeepsi'd use zfs
17:52.28Stskeeps:P
17:52.44ShadowJKjfs was pretty painful on sd/mmc-type storage the last time I tested
17:53.10ShadowJKatleast btrfs has had some consideration for mmc
17:53.25MohammadAGStskeeps, oh nice, you imported i2c-tools
17:53.30tobis87yes, but it is quite new, remember the problems with ext4...
17:53.44StskeepsMohammadAG: hmm?
17:54.21TomaszD_anyone knows how to swap mouse buttons under linux?
17:54.31TomaszD_my middle button is almost dead,
17:54.32ShadowJKI'd actually want LogFS, but it's even more untested than btrfs :)
17:54.46MohammadAGhttp://meego.gitorious.org/meego-device-adaptation/n900_i2c-tools Stskeeps
17:55.04Stskeepsah, yeah
17:55.11SpeedEvilTomaszD_: Open device, replace button, close device.
17:57.10DrWilkenTomaszD_: Depends on distro. Some use hal, some udev etc. Google it for Your distro.
17:57.33jacekowskiudev is a must
17:57.41jacekowskiall distros use udev
17:57.41DrWilkenagreed :)
17:57.49jacekowskiand hal goes on top of that
17:58.50JaffaStskeeps: But with a "mount as mass storage" approach, you're going to have to write an unpacker & partitioner for Windows, Linux and maybe OS X
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17:59.14StskeepsJaffa: well, or just provide an image that can be repartitioned with relative ease
17:59.35StskeepsJaffa: i wonder how flasher does it..
17:59.42JaffaStskeeps: Oh, using a dd equivalent to write it
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17:59.53JaffaStskeeps: Or even flasher-3.5 to write the eMMC image
18:00.03Stskeepsthat one is a problem since softupd on device side isn't oss
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18:07.16vdvwhere goes all apps which are installed by manager? in / ?
18:07.39DrWilkenMost goes to /opt
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18:07.57DrWilken= /home
18:08.40vdvand /home/user too, right
18:09.09DrWilkenactually /home/opt
18:09.40vdvhmm
18:09.55vdv"/home, /home/user, /home/opt, /opt are all mountpoints for same device, not?
18:10.21DrWilken<PROTECTED>
18:10.40DrWilkencheck installed files with dpkg -L packagename
18:10.41vdvand is physically on / ?
18:10.48DrWilkenno
18:11.15vdva little bit confusing schema
18:11.24DrWilkenYes
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18:12.22vdvso, i can't just do cp -r /* /home/user/chroot
18:12.39vdvdo i understand right?
18:12.58tobis87the files are sym linked from /home/opt/maemo/usr/bin to /usr/bin
18:13.01DrWilken<PROTECTED>
18:13.19DrWilken-r means recursive
18:13.54vdvyes, but gcc needs full chroot env, not?
18:14.02DrWilkenyou might want a -p (preserve permissions) too :)
18:14.09vdv:)
18:14.27vdvi've misunderstood SpeedEvil
18:14.45DrWilkenyes but why would You want to copy /home/user/MyDocs for example? :)
18:14.56DrWilkenthat's also a subdir of /
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18:15.35vdvbut cp don't copy dirs
18:15.47DrWilkenYes, with -r
18:15.51DrWilkenrecursive
18:15.59vdvshouldn't i have bin, etc, usr under /home/user/chroot ?
18:16.06DrWilkenand / alone isn't enough
18:16.28vdvand maybe with some --exclude flag
18:16.44DrWilkenthat'll do the trick.
18:16.51RST38hhttp://gizmodo.com/5660933/how-to-add-an-iphone-hud-dock-to-your-ipad++and-get-true-multitasking
18:17.02RST38htrue multitasking, yeah
18:17.25johnsqvdv: man cp ; cp -ax
18:18.09DrWilkenOr google chrooting :)
18:19.04DrWilkenbasically everything You need to be accessible in Your chroot needs to be copied (libraries, binaries etc.)
18:19.58DrWilkenWhat about easy-chroot?
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18:20.32DrWilken;)
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18:21.56DrWilkenHmm. That doesn't help much. You still need to create the contents.
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18:24.59kuretais Sebastian Lauwers here?
18:25.24Myrtticrashanddie: pingpong ^
18:25.38crashanddiepong
18:26.03SpeedEvilI http://www.mail-archive.com/maemo-community@maemo.org/msg02707.html
18:26.07Myrttifor future reference: /who is a great tool
18:26.07DrWilkenis liking communi IRC
18:26.54tobis87Stskeeps: How long did you waited for the new flash library? I hope they will accept my request, since I could only enter my university.
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18:28.12Stskeepstobis87: 1-2 days
18:28.42crashanddiekureta: I'm Sebastian
18:29.02kuretahi
18:29.07kuretai am skureta
18:29.09kuretafrom twitter
18:29.23kuretai was hoping to get more info on injection driver
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18:29.35crashanddieYeah, I figured
18:29.40tobis87Stskeeps: Ok, I hope I will get it and not every lemming will request it now or they might get pissed off.
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18:38.23dRbiGmhm
18:38.35tobis87Btw, news from the maintainer of the crypto hw accel for omap. He was able to reproduce the bugs I found and it seems it is a hardware bug which can be found on every omap. This means it is very likely that we will see a workaround.
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18:39.22keriowouldn't a hardware bug be a living creature?
18:39.59DrWilken:)
18:40.12dRbiGit'd be a very tiny bug :)
18:40.14tobis87Well a cpu errata if you like. :-D
18:47.38tobis87Are there any news regarding thumb and smartreflex? I know that there a different revisions of the cpu inside the n900, the cpu which is used since hardware revision 2101 is newer and only these support hw accel., maybe thumb and/or smartreflex are fixed on the newer onces.
18:49.17jacekowskithumb is working
18:49.18DrWilkenMine is 2101 and I got in december 09
18:49.24jacekowskismartreflex is not
18:49.33SpeedEvilhow do you get the 2101?
18:49.43jacekowskibootloader is thumb
18:49.48SpeedEvilI have 2101
18:49.54DrWilken<PROTECTED>
18:50.03SpeedEvilthis was in the first batch of devices delivered to the UK
18:50.16DrWilkensame for DK
18:50.32tobis87jacekowski: Ok, I only have heard that some had problems with thumb.
18:51.38tobis87but MohammedAG had a problem regarding thumb for Ubuntu on the n900.
18:52.07jacekowskibootloader is thumb as i said
18:52.08DrWilkencpu is rev 3 (v71)
18:52.14jacekowskiit took me a while to realise that
18:52.28jacekowskibecause it wouldn't decompile as arm
18:52.35jacekowskiand then i tried thumb
18:52.37jacekowskiand it worked
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18:55.04tobis87I got my device very late, my hw rev is 2104. The maintainer told me that I would need 2101 at least for it to work, so there must be devices which are older and I thought that these devices might have been sold.
18:56.05DrWilkenwhat cpu rev is it?
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18:56.47DrWilkencat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Proc
18:56.51tobis87jacekowski: I was wrong, MohammedAG meant thumb2 support.
18:57.25tobis87DrWilken: I know how I can do it. But I have to start it first. :)
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18:57.28jacekowskihmm, that's kernel problem
18:57.43DrWilken:) just curious :)
18:58.39DrWilkenAlso are features different from 2101?
18:59.05DrWilkenFeatures: swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3
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18:59.45tobis87jacekowski: Anyway, does gcc in scratchbox support thumb2 instructions?
18:59.56jacekowskirev 3 v71 on mine
19:00.00jacekowskitobis87: dunno
19:00.47tobis87dito, rev 3 (v71)
19:00.48DrWilkenJace - 2101?
19:00.53DrWilkenok
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19:01.48jacekowskidunno
19:02.13jacekowskiwhere is that number?
19:02.38DrWilkencat /proc/cpuinfo | grep Rev
19:02.39SpeedEvilcat /proc/cpuinfo
19:02.41tobis87But I only get: swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3
19:03.05tobis87DrWilken: Powerkernel?
19:03.13DrWilkenyes
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19:03.29DrWilkenthumbee
19:03.46DrWilkengoogling that :)
19:04.06tobis87jacekowski: You can get the revision nuber with the new flasher, I sent you once, flasher.rover -i
19:05.05DrWilkenhttp://infocenter.arm.com/help/index.jsp?topic=/com.arm.doc.ddi0344c/ch16s04s04.html
19:05.47DrWilkenYou might want to read that :)
19:05.48jacekowskiyeah
19:05.49jacekowski2101
19:05.58DrWilkenthumb-2
19:06.39tobis87DrWilken: And thumb, but it does not make sense, if the compiler does not support creating the instructions.
19:07.09DrWilkennope :/
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19:10.22trumeewifi on N900 bit disappointing. winshit pc shows 46% signal but N900 sees it and drops it
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19:10.55trumeeN900 connects momentarily and few minutes later drops it.
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19:11.46trumeethe wifi signal itself is poor. is there anyway i can make N900 connect better even with high power usage?
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19:12.03trumeei have already disabled PSM mode
19:12.07jacekowskino
19:12.18jacekowskiit has very small builtin antenna
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19:12.21jacekowskidon't expect magic
19:12.29trumeeright
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19:12.54pupnikwhat's the thing to get in 2011
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19:13.08SpeedEvilpupnik: two n900s from ebay
19:13.25pupniki do like resistive screen
19:13.31mececheap?
19:13.33DrWilken:)
19:13.59pupniki suspect their used prices are fairly high?
19:14.43jacekowskii got myself a brand new shiny fluke meter
19:15.09pupnik340-580 euro, avg around 380-400
19:15.54DocScrutinizerhaha, cat /proc/cpuinfo: Features        : swp half fastmult vfp edsp neon vfpv3   VERSUS   Features        : swp half thumb fastmult vfp edsp thumbee neon vfpv3
19:16.11tobis87DrWilken: Ok, found the fix. http://pastebin.com/FLCVKqfb But I don't know any app which needs it, so it does not matter. And "flushes the branch target cache at every context switch" sounds like a handbrake to me.
19:16.36DocScrutinizerthumb and thumbee only on the 'older' one
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19:17.18jacekowskithumbee?
19:17.19DocScrutinizeraka PR1.1
19:17.44jacekowskihave you tried changing just bootloader
19:17.49MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I've successfully merged matan's hildon-desktop with mine
19:17.49MohammadAGnow there's no need for a separate package, and I must say, ALT+Tab is AWESOME!
19:17.52tobis87DocScrutinizer: No, he has the powerkernel installed, the powerkernel has thumb and thumbee enabled. Which requieres the fix I posted
19:17.57jacekowskiif it's kernel or bootloader related
19:18.05DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: yes, indeed
19:18.34DocScrutinizertobis87: who's "he"?
19:19.27DocScrutinizerwhat I quoted were my both N900, one with thumb being my original one ~1.5y old, with PR1.1 plus MohammadAG's hostmode-kernel
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19:20.52pupniknice to see these hacks
19:21.51DrWilkentobis87 - ack :)
19:21.51DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: so you suggest I update the mhd download for alt-tab and cpu-hog fix another time?
19:21.54tobis87DocScrutinizer: DrWilken also has thumb enabled, but he uses the powerkernel.
19:22.23MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, it's no longer mhd :)
19:22.36DocScrutinizerlol
19:22.41MohammadAGit's hd now
19:22.54DocScrutinizerit's mohammad's hd now :-P
19:23.11DrWilkenNice MohammadAG... :) Link?
19:23.43MohammadAGuploading
19:23.49MohammadAGlol DocScrutinizer
19:23.50DrWilken:)
19:24.04MohammadAG~seen matan
19:24.25infobotmatan <530f167a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.83.15.22.122> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 25d 11h 30m 24s ago, saying: 'morning'.
19:24.26DocScrutinizerso mhd still looks correct
19:24.26DocScrutinizer~botsnack
19:24.26infobotthanks, DocScrutinizer
19:24.33MohammadAGyeah, I just hate having lots of hildon-desktops
19:24.37DocScrutinizerdamn laggy bot
19:24.51MohammadAGif only thp's patches could be added as a gconf setting
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19:24.58MohammadAGit would be the ultimate hildon-desktop
19:25.04tobis87Sorry, but I don't understand it. PR 1.1 and the powerkernel have thumb enabled, but PR 1.2 and the hostmode kernel don't have it?
19:25.08DocScrutinizerthp patches?
19:25.32luke-jr_MohammadAG: how do you alt-tab w/o tab?
19:25.38DrWilkenI'm using PR1.2 and power kernel
19:25.40DocScrutinizerpr1.1 plus hostmode kenel has thumb
19:25.46MohammadAGyes, Thomas
19:25.56pupnika 5 row keyboard with tab, esc, del and proper ctrl/fn/alt/shift... would be so nice
19:26.06MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63419
19:26.43tobis87Well, I mean the kernel which is supplied with the pr's, of course you can use another.
19:26.48DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools  http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092
19:26.49pupnikjust takes 2 more rows and 3 more columns :)
19:27.29luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: Ovi sucks.
19:27.45DocScrutinizershrugs
19:27.57MohammadAGpupnik, the keyboard isn't open source :P
19:27.58luke-jr_what kind of idiot web developer uses Flash to display an image?
19:28.10pupnikwell no but how about some fancy renders
19:28.28DrWilkenIt's mp4
19:28.54luke-jr_fine. s/image/video/
19:28.55DocScrutinizerit's dunno what video
19:29.08pupnikhow bout user-swappable keyboards
19:29.17luke-jr_pupnik: eInk keyboard.
19:29.27DocScrutinizerblargh
19:29.37pupniksorry, need decent click and pressure
19:29.42DocScrutinizerack
19:30.00luke-jr_pupnik: no reason eInk can't go inside physical keys.
19:30.06MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, DrWilken http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=838656&postcount=238
19:30.10DocScrutinizernintendo DS with virtual kbd on lower screen -no thanks
19:30.31pupnikah i see what you mean luke-jr_ -- some day,, fine
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19:30.50luke-jr_some company already produces OLED keyboards
19:30.57DrWilkenThx MohammadAG :) Will give it a go... brb
19:31.05luke-jr_I think before eInk came out
19:31.38pupnikImagine a n810 size device with a 4.5" screen, very small bezel, 3000mAh battery ... and swappable keyboards for different tastes
19:31.43DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: errm, do I really want that?
19:31.56luke-jr_pupnik: swappable kb would take too much space I think
19:31.57MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, no
19:32.03DocScrutinizer:nod:
19:32.06luke-jr_pupnik: eInk kb would allow apps to redefine keys too
19:32.16luke-jr_pupnik: think games which layout the kb for gaming
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19:32.39luke-jr_pupnik: and C760-size is better ;P
19:32.43DocScrutinizerI think I need no faster kinetic scrolling in applauncher
19:32.44pupnikluke-jr_: we have a tendency to disagree on what would be cool to have, i think.  pretty reliably.
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19:32.58DocScrutinizerI got AppMeFo
19:33.29VladNistorthanks MohammadAG :)
19:33.34pupnikbut it's like that - everyone has their own dream-mix
19:33.57luke-jr_ships pupnik to Israel.
19:34.40DocScrutinizerpupnik: the keybord *is* as swappable as it gets
19:34.55DocScrutinizerswapping keymat actually is a snap
19:35.09luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: O.o
19:35.26pupnikwell, for e.g. field-swappable would be 4 torx screws and pull-straight-up without dismantling anything else
19:35.33pupnikok
19:35.43DocScrutinizertakes like 5 minutes to swap my qwerty to wertzu
19:35.52vdvwhere's Alt(Meta) key on keyboard? :)
19:36.00luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: how does N900 deal with different maps in software?
19:36.05pupnikand yet, the N900 isn't advertised as having a swappable keyboard, DocScrutinizer
19:36.08DocScrutinizerpupnik: it's 2 torx, the rest is exactly what you say
19:36.08luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: and can you swap those without rebooting?
19:36.22pupnikhm
19:36.45pupnikty DocScrutinizer :)
19:36.47DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: yes, *I* can
19:36.51luke-jr_lol
19:36.58dRbiGxkbmap?
19:37.02luke-jr_just not me :p
19:37.10pupnikDoc does know many things
19:37.29luke-jr_I can't because Id be too scared at this point
19:37.38pupnikminitube needs so many features ... i swear ..
19:37.46pupnikno rotation support... no buffering settings
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19:39.21GAN900You know what's tempting? A Pre 2.
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19:40.06DocScrutinizermeh
19:40.12DocScrutinizerwrong formfactor
19:40.29GAN900DocScrutinizer, yeah, mostly.
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19:41.52GAN900And probably still crappy resolution
19:41.58DrWilkenMohammadAG - Works... :)
19:42.43DocScrutinizerhonestly I'll trade in N900 for nothing less than a N810-improved-GSM-edition
19:43.00DrWilkenhad to dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop and reinstall the new one ;)
19:43.25StskeepsDocScrutinizer: a omap3 n810 would be nice
19:43.49DocScrutinizerwith proper GSM chipset - yes
19:44.04DocScrutinizerbasically a N900 in a N810 case
19:45.12thpMohammadAG: you can refactor the changes into gconf-able settings ;)
19:45.35DocScrutinizerall those portrait mode phones like MotoQ9 or pre, no thanks. All those capacitive ts, and esp those "we don't need any buttons" phones - yuck
19:46.42MohammadAGthp, true, I need to learn about gconf though
19:46.46DocScrutinizerhave mercy and don't snatch away my NIT formfactor
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19:46.55pupniksigns up with DocScrutinizer and Stskeeps's company
19:47.38pupnikanyone got a chinese uncle?
19:47.45DocScrutinizerlol
19:47.49dRbiGwanna buy one? :)
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19:47.57DrWilkenEbay?
19:48.10DocScrutinizercackles
19:49.10DocScrutinizerSean's university room mate had, that's how Openmoko came to life
19:49.35DocScrutinizeror at least that's the legend
19:50.05ieatlinthaha
19:50.09ieatlintthat's funny
19:50.45ieatlintwere the gta03 specs ever finalised or released/leaked? :P
19:51.16DocScrutinizergta03 was finalized to a point where we had 3 working prototypes
19:51.42DocScrutinizerbut it's still under NDA :-P
19:51.55ieatlinthehe, fair enough
19:52.02DocScrutinizerso I can't share photos or anything
19:52.03ieatlinti heard a bunch of rumour and innuendo from steve
19:52.10ieatlintso i have vague ideas
19:52.22SpeedEvilsighs at silly lawyers.
19:53.02DocScrutinizerbut honestly gta03 wasn't exactly a design I particularly liked
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19:53.59ieatlintthe clues to the design were never even kind of specific, i only heard that it was a different design than the gta01/2, that it was "designed by a top designer", and a LOT of hints that it had a camera, or was designed to if the camera made the final spec
19:54.04DocScrutinizerhad a lot of quirks by design, like no proper headset receptacle, c-ts, fixed battery...
19:54.42ieatlintalso got enough hints that i would bet it had edge
19:54.58DocScrutinizerthe camera was kinda ok
19:55.16DocScrutinizerit had cinteron mc75i
19:55.23VladNistorMohammadAG, is the hildon-desktop you posted just now not supposed to have fast kinetic scrolling?
19:55.25DocScrutinizerwhich has EDGE, yes
19:56.17ieatlintsuch a funny project it was... :P
19:56.38DocScrutinizerand it looked kinda like a half chinese egg (the ones with transparent eggwhite) X-P
19:56.41ieatlinti still see one of the two US openmoko employees somewhat often
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19:57.03ieatlintugh... that doesn't sound nice
19:57.49dRbiGlooking at the design of openmoko hardware, well, who the hell designed that crap :S
19:57.56DocScrutinizerlol
19:58.26DrWilkenA blind guy?
19:58.28DocScrutinizeryou know the old "desk lamp" imacs?
19:58.36ieatlintno idea, but the US pr guy promised that the gta03 was designed by someone "well known"
19:58.48ieatlintlol, same guy? :P
19:58.51DrWilkenProbably *feels* ok (?):)
19:58.56ieatlintthat's not something to brag about
19:59.11dRbiGDrWilken: doubt that
19:59.24dRbiGit looks like some cheap crappy chinese toy
19:59.57dRbiGand such a wast of space with this halfcricle edges
19:59.58ieatlinteh... the gta02 had a lot of downfalls, least of all its appearance
20:00.00DocScrutinizernah, gta01/02 case was a different designer afaik
20:00.11dRbiGi mean, curved edges are ok, but this is some kind of joke
20:00.34ieatlintyeah, i was explicitly told the gta03 was from a different designer than the gta01/2
20:00.40DrWilkenI was looking for a Linux phone before the N900 came out... And then I saw the OpenMoko...
20:01.04DocScrutinizerthe hockey puck aka shower radio
20:01.05ieatlintDocScrutinizer: so when does that NDA run up? :P
20:01.13DocScrutinizerdunno
20:01.18DocScrutinizerhave to look
20:01.24ieatlintpure curiosity, heh
20:01.26DocScrutinizererr check
20:01.53dRbiGtoo fragile for a hockey puck and not waterproof for a shower radio... what a waste
20:01.58DocScrutinizerprobably even then I mustn't publish any confidential material
20:02.25SpeedEvilWe could offer to buy the IP from OM.
20:02.29ieatlinteh, my interest doesn't delve much beyond the appearance, and basic stuff like the chips in it
20:02.31SpeedEvilI've got a spare 50p.
20:02.42DocScrutinizerI guess sean would love to sell it
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20:03.09DocScrutinizerbut I got no spare 50p for that cr... er nice device
20:03.33ieatlinthaha
20:03.47dRbiGwe should gather and buy the right for the design and then burn it to save the world from it ;)
20:03.59luke-jr_GTA03⁇
20:04.07DocScrutinizerhehehe
20:04.30ieatlintluke-jr_: indeed... the fun we could've had
20:04.33DocScrutinizerheh, found a 1€ for that
20:04.36dRbiGand i'd also suggest to blacklist the designer(s)
20:04.38dRbiGjust in case
20:05.14ieatlinti'm still convinced i'll find a use for the gta02s i have...
20:05.23luke-jr_ieatlint: mail me one? :P
20:05.25ieatlintam leaning towards some sort of gps logger
20:05.29DocScrutinizerdRbiG: you got a decent hint to find who's the designer?
20:05.33ieatlintluke-jr_: you actually want one?
20:05.38luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: we talking aobut 3D7K, or something new?
20:05.50luke-jr_ieatlint: I wouldn't mind playign with one :p
20:06.05luke-jr_ieatlint: just not worht the price tag OpenMoko thinks they can still get for it
20:06.07DocScrutinizernope, 3err7Ky boilerplate number
20:06.17dRbiGDocScrutinizer: blind without hands or some really smart bastard :)
20:06.17DocScrutinizerexactly that gta03
20:06.22luke-jr_meh
20:06.29luke-jr_that GTA03 is probably obsolete now :P
20:06.38ieatlintuh, i might be convinced... they've literally been sitting around for 18+ months now
20:06.41ieatlinthave two gta02s
20:06.47DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: it is
20:07.08luke-jr_yeah, s3c6410… OLD
20:07.15luke-jr_that was N8x0 generation
20:07.35DocScrutinizeryep
20:07.42ieatlintboth "US edition" (ie, gsm 850/1800/1900)
20:07.49DocScrutinizermc75i, nice modem but no 3G
20:08.01luke-jr_ieatlint: does that translate to "AT&T edition" or "T-Mobile edition"? XD
20:08.24DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: it's GSM only, so no difference
20:08.31ieatlintuh, at&t edition -- but it works just as well on t-mo as at&t
20:08.51ieatlintDocScrutinizer: nah, due to stupidity, the 850mhz gsm band is at&t only
20:08.59ieatlintt-mo US uses 1900
20:09.08DocScrutinizerfor 3G afaik
20:09.23ieatlintnope, t-mo US UMTS is 1700/2100 if i recall right
20:09.32ShadowJKs3c6410 is in SmartQ too :)
20:09.50GAN900ieatlint, that sounds off, somehow.
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20:10.04luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: N900 only does 3G for T-Mo, and only 2G for AT&T
20:10.07DocScrutinizers3cxxxx has no zero-clock
20:10.20DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: see?
20:10.35GAN900850/1900, ieatlint.
20:10.38DocScrutinizerso gta02 will do 2G for both carriers
20:10.46ieatlinthmm, maybe i'm mixing up 1900 and 1800
20:10.50luke-jr_ok :p
20:11.01GAN900ieatlint, who the hell can keep any of it straight?
20:11.06luke-jr_AT&T doesn't count though, since they're way too ridiculously expensive :P
20:11.10ieatlintnope
20:11.14ShadowJKI thought t-mob gsm bands were covered by n900 too?
20:11.29ieatlinthttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T-Mobile_USA#Radio_Frequency_Summary
20:11.35luke-jr_ShadowJK: I mean it only supports 3G for T-Mobile. I didn't mean it doesn't support 2G for it
20:11.39luke-jr_err
20:11.45luke-jr_if (3G) carrier=T-Mobile
20:11.49ieatlinttheir network is 1900mhz, with a very small part that can roam onto AT&T's 850mhz network
20:11.53luke-jr_stabs English
20:11.53ieatlintand is 1700/2100 for umts
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20:12.21ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, i guess that's why it eats so much power :)
20:12.25ieatlintluke-jr_: and the gta02 is a 2g only device -- no UMTS, no EDGE (GPRS only)
20:12.36luke-jr_ieatlint: ah, didn't know that
20:12.37DocScrutinizerShadowJK: which one?
20:12.46luke-jr_isn't EDGE a CDMA2000 thing?
20:12.50ShadowJKs3c64xx
20:12.56DocScrutinizeraah yes
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20:13.25DocScrutinizerthis insane suspend/resume thing that never will pan out properly
20:13.47ieatlintgsm/umts in the US is just fucking confusing and proprietary
20:14.17ShadowJKluke-jr, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Data_Rates_for_GSM_Evolution
20:14.44DocScrutinizerieatlint: yes, as some braindamaged carriers are abusing genuine 2G GSM bands for UMTS
20:15.25MohammadAGMatan's getting on my nerves
20:15.31DocScrutinizerEnhanced Datarates for Gsm Evolution = EDGE
20:16.15ShadowJKeven in europe 900MHz is used for umts :)
20:16.35ShadowJKand 1.8GHz planned to get lte
20:16.41ShadowJKin addition to gsm
20:17.05ieatlintDocScrutinizer: just one is -- at&t
20:17.31ieatlintt-mo is using half the standard umts freqs and half weird 1700mhz
20:17.34DocScrutinizerwhere's "3" (the carrier) ?
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20:20.38PhonicUKjust did the toothpaste trick on my N900
20:20.42PhonicUKworked a treat :D
20:21.04ieatlintDocScrutinizer: not sure what you mean by 3 carrier
20:21.24luke-jr_ieatlint: IIRC some Europe carrier is called '3'
20:21.31PhonicUK3 is the name of a carrier in the UK
20:21.46ieatlintah, not in the US indeed
20:21.54ieatlintno 3, no o2, no vodaphone
20:22.01ShadowJKthere are many diferent ones called "3"
20:22.05SpeedEvilVodafone
20:22.18ShadowJKPhonicUK, what is toothpaste trick?
20:22.23luke-jr_Vodalame
20:22.24luke-jr_:p
20:22.25ieatlintand virgin mobile is a nasty company that resells someone else's network (cdma)
20:22.31PhonicUKtoothpaste on a scratched screen
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20:23.11ds3toothpaste is a mild abrasive
20:23.49SpeedEvilI recommend a screen protector
20:24.18dRbiGieatlint: reselling is common
20:24.47luke-jr_not common enough
20:24.51MohammadAGtoothpaste trick??
20:24.51MohammadAG-?, damn keyboard
20:24.54luke-jr_someone should try reselling T-Mobile XD
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20:25.46luke-jr_would be nice, actually, if you could get like 50 data-only SIM cards sharing some prepaid data plan or something
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20:34.23vdvhow can i remove package previously installed with dpkg -i ?
20:35.09pupnikapt-get remove
20:36.10MohammadAGor dpkg -r
20:36.55pupnikfancy pants
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20:38.08MohammadAG:P
20:40.56wmaronewonders if python apps are always this slow, or if mediabox is just slow
20:41.24MohammadAGpython
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20:42.46MohammadAGwants a microB addon which watches for flv, when an flv appears, transfer it to the media player and play with gstreamer-flv
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20:47.02tobis87You could port mplayerplug-in and set modules.plugins.mimetype.video/x-flv to it.
20:48.06SpeedEvilNot quite.
20:48.19SpeedEvilflv isn't typically a simple stream
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20:48.28SpeedEvilit is recieved by flash, then played
20:51.27tobis87Do you need to play the flash to receive the flv url? Easy Youtube Video Downloader supports to download the flv without starting the flash (tested with flashblock).
20:52.34SpeedEvilIt depends on the flash.
20:52.48SpeedEvilTehre is no generic way to recover the stream URL without running the flash
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20:54.02andaxi used aTubeCatcher.exe for downloading flashified videos, did not work for all but for many
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20:54.44andaxit works without flash
20:55.01sqwablehow do I "link" together two scratchbox projects? I'm trying to build matchbox-keyboard but it needs libfakekey, which I've already built, but the matchbox-keyboard project still cannot see libfakekey is built
20:55.18MohammadAGfor youtube you probably only need to change the URL
20:55.18MohammadAGbut idk the pattern mediabox uses
20:55.27sqwableThis is the first time I've played around with porting stuff to maemo, so I'm a noob
20:55.53tobis87But I did get it without the flash, maybe they found a way for youtube only. But opening a flv link e. g. http://youtube.com/get_video?video_id=TZRaVVXAi6o&t=vjVQa1PpcFNtoXiphbJU8J6fzBWISh8q8lmdGuBHUlc%3D&asv= does start mplayer.
20:56.04sp3000sqwable: you'd install the packages generated by the libfake build
20:56.38sp3000the *-dev*deb and whatever it depends on, roughly
20:56.43sqwable"install the packages" on to the system? (I think I've tried that once with openssl or something, broke the whole OS :D )
20:57.02sqwableoh
20:57.04sp3000well, in the scratchbox target, those are expendable ;)
20:58.06sqwablesp3000, so basically create the path inside the sbhome?
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20:58.48sp3000not sure what you mean by that
20:59.05luke-jr_sqwable: no…
20:59.11luke-jr_sqwable: you need to add a dependency
20:59.15sp3000but if you're using dpkg-buildpackage or suchlike you'll get .debs which you can install
20:59.21MohammadAGsqwable, dpkg -i the package
20:59.46luke-jr_MohammadAG: that's not the correct solution -.-
20:59.50luke-jr_he should use a dependency
20:59.51sqwablepackage? oh, so I should create a deb package of the project I compiled?
21:00.04sqwable<-- noob :)
21:00.12sqwablebe gentle
21:00.38MohammadAGluke-jr_, the way I understood him was that he has the dependency, but it's not compiling cause it can't see it installed
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21:01.46sqwableI'm using the maemo sdk virtual machine, compiled the new libfakekey and I'm trying to get matchbox-keyboard compile
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21:02.12sqwableit says I need to install libfakekey from svn
21:02.39sqwableI'll just try copying out the file into /scratchbox/usr/lib and see if matchbox-keyboard will compile :)
21:02.48sqwablefile(s)
21:03.18MohammadAGmake install it?
21:03.31tobis87for compiling, you will need the header.h files, not the lib*.so files
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21:06.57tobis87and the *.la *.a files.
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21:07.13sqwableand what do I do with them?
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21:11.29tobis87well, you need them in a path, where they can be found if the other program has to get linked against this library. But I have never copied them manuelly, You should try to install the lib with make install, check that you have set the proper prefix= for ./configure
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21:22.23RST38hAhhahahhaa: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/2010-10-11186wp7launch.jpg
21:23.41haltdefgoing backwards with wm7
21:23.53johnsqmultitasking 2012
21:24.00haltdefwm6.5 just needed to be a bit snappier and more stable, better UI
21:24.02haltdefjob done
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21:25.33RST38hAm I the onlyone finding those plain blue squares with stuff in them ugly?
21:26.13wmaronenope
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21:34.43tobis87Someone already got Windows NT running on the N900, but this would be good for a laugh as well: http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=de&ie=UTF8&langpair=auto|en&u=http://www.winhistory.de/more/wfp.htm
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21:39.42pupnikDiane: Ever since I was a child, I've wanted to dance.... so badly.
21:39.43pupnikNorm: Looks like you got your wish.
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21:43.29GAN900pupnik, are you watching /Cheers/?
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21:51.48pupnikyes GAN900
21:53.38pupnikran many years didn't it
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22:10.34GAN900pupnik, yes.
22:10.44GAN900pupnik, likely you'll also enjoy Frasier.
22:14.21keriofrasier is great
22:21.36GAN900Best spinoff ever.
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22:27.06SpeedEvilponders.
22:27.31SpeedEvilI'm going with Mirror universe Voyager, if that counts.
22:27.40SpeedEvildreams of Empress Hoshi.
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22:35.29DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: jacekowski: https://elektranox.org/n900/images/wireshark/04.png
22:35.50DocScrutinizerhttps://elektranox.org/n900/libisi/index.html
22:35.59keriobad ca
22:36.07kerioi'm not going there!
22:36.09DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: ^^^
22:37.15DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: empress Hoshi :-D yay!
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22:38.39DocScrutinizerthough Hoshi wasn't Voyager crew, it's been Enterprise NX-01
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22:40.43jacekowskihoshi is from enterprise
22:42.10SpeedEvilInteresting
22:42.14SpeedEvilerr
22:42.15SpeedEvileys
22:42.16SpeedEviloops
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22:42.43jacekowskihmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
22:42.45SpeedEvilThere wasn't a mirror voyager - other than the mimetic one.
22:42.51SpeedEvilIIRC
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22:55.22pupnikwhere'd you meed hoshi jacekowski ... i haven't seen that name in years
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23:15.39jaskahaha, i would have hit my head on the wall infinitely unless i had seen that ldconfig or someone had linked libvte.so.9 to libvte.so.9.2.18.backup instead of the modified libvte.so.9.2.18
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23:27.47yaccAnyone got an idea how to make the USB networking visible to maemo? Basically how do I fake that the device is "online" although it's not online via gprs0 nor wlan0?
23:28.16yacclibicd-network-dummy from Fremantle Nokia-binaries repository or better libicd-network-null <= both packages as described on http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking do not exist :(
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23:49.48yaccAnyone got an idea how to programmatically from a script to change the hildon/Maemo connection?
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23:58.11na5uta-workhello. two n00b-questions: is there a special channel for n900-user and exist a german channel?

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