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00:00.30djdmbah, whoops - ignore me :)
00:02.27mikki-kun/ignore djdm <--- like this?
00:02.30mikki-kun^^
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00:37.53SpeedEvilI find the headphones on my n900 quite acceptable.
00:38.24SpeedEvilDoes anyone recommend an A2DP blob I can stick them into to use them wirelessly from the n900?
00:39.47jacekowskimotorola makes quite nice dj kind headphones
00:41.27SpeedEvilI'm more looking for a blob - the n900 phones are quite OK.
00:41.30jacekowskinot the best ones though
00:41.40jacekowskii mean headphone part is good
00:41.44jacekowskiif you connect it via cable
00:41.52SpeedEvilI guess hit up dealextreme
00:41.52jacekowskibluetooth part is noisy a bit
00:42.25DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.mymedia/joerg900.10092 :-)
00:42.30jacekowskibut it looks like some sort of dynamics compression fail
00:42.35jacekowskirather than quality
00:42.45jacekowskibecause if you play something lound and then stop it
00:42.51jacekowskithen noise comes back gradualy
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00:42.54SpeedEvilmeh
00:44.09DocScrutinizermeh
00:44.29SpeedEvilI should join, but I can't easily
00:45.23DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092
00:47.03SpeedEvilwindow switching from keyb?
00:47.12SpeedEvilOnly partially loaded - my internet being slow
00:47.59DocScrutinizeryes
00:48.25nox-whats that, some kind of new `window manager' keyboard controls?
00:49.29DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
00:50.02SpeedEvilneat
00:53.04nox-# set ctl-BS to my preferred operation mode
00:53.11nox-its that that does it?
01:01.57ieatlintah, a nice saturday with fighter jets flying overhead and a dozen officers holding shotguns raiding the next door neighbour
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01:04.40SpeedEvilClose-air-support?
01:04.57SpeedEvilIf your cops need that, then the neighbourhood is in trouble.
01:05.07nox-wow you have crazy neighbours...
01:06.09ieatlintnah, the fighter jets were for an airshow happening over the city, but they're fucking loud
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01:09.36DocScrutinizernox-: yes, of course together with the modified hildon desktop, same §
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01:10.42DocScrutinizer# fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug
01:10.43DocScrutinizer## new: with ctrl-BS for nice taskswitching, see
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04:00.22ieatlintmaemo 5pr1.2 has qtmobility 1.0 stuff right?
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04:13.04GAN900ieatlint, air shows are FUN.
04:13.31ieatlintnot as fun when they're buzzing your house
04:13.37ieatlintfireworks just finished for it
04:13.51GAN900has lived under a flight path for the local municipal airport for most of his life and fails to notice aircraft.
04:14.08GAN900Also: CentCom flies jets over all the time.
04:14.59ieatlintit's different when an F-18 flies 500 feet above your apartment at 800+km/h
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04:16.18GAN900ieatlint, how about F-15s? :P
04:17.12ieatlintdon't think any F-15s were part of it
04:18.57ieatlintthere was an F-16 and 5 F-18s
04:19.09ieatlintand several other types of aircraft, but i think those were the only jets
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06:36.25OCTOLITHICSo what's the word on the next MeeGo device?
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06:44.15MohammadAG51wakes up
06:44.39MohammadAG51OCTOLITHIC, wrong channel, nothing official though
06:56.11JaffaMorning, all
06:56.22Stskeepsmorn jaffa
06:56.59MohammadAG51morning Jaffa
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07:06.26JaffaReigstering a new URI schema (e.g. 'wtai') should be a case of: creating a .desktop file which points at a service which can handle something via DBUS; and then adding the desktop & URI scheme to /usr/share/applications/uri-action-defaults.list?
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07:18.00Jaffahttp://wiki.maemo.org/URL_Handler - excellent
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07:22.32MohammadAG51lurks in #ubuntu-release-party
07:23.01johnxalready runs 10.10 on 4ish machines
07:23.14MohammadAG51johnx, RC here
07:23.28johnxeven runs well on PPC (!!)
07:23.41MohammadAG51the beta and RC were epic
07:23.47MohammadAG51lucid was a big fail
07:24.04johnxand I finally switched from gnome-do's dock-mode to docky
07:24.07johnxwin all around
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08:33.18MohammadAG51wow, linux/routers are sometimes retarded, my N900 and my laptop had the same IP assigned
08:33.46johnxheh
08:33.57johnxour juniper netscreen does that at work :)
08:34.06psycho_oreoswhich brand of router you got?
08:34.09johnxwhich distro is it running?
08:34.26psycho_oreosor software router
08:35.01johnxpsycho_oreos, all linux routers are software routers ;)
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08:35.08MohammadAG51New TP-Link, stock, still haven't ddwrt'd it
08:35.22johnxan, the 1043WNDR or something like that?
08:35.50johnxhas one with the latest openwrt. been working really nicely
08:36.09MohammadAG51nah, couldn't find that one
08:37.24psycho_oreosjohnx, MohammadAG51 said his is linux/router so it could just be a router or a linux distro on a router. Plus I find standard software on the SOHO routers substandard.
08:37.50MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, both my N900 and laptop run linux
08:38.21psycho_oreoseven though they are running linux as base (which most of them do)
08:38.59psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, I meant your router :)
08:44.00MohammadAG51wtf
08:44.06MohammadAG51my battery went from 75 to red bar
08:44.37psycho_oreosbad battery? ;)
08:44.50johnxhigh load?
08:45.04MohammadAG51nope
08:45.16psycho_oreosusing mobile broadband?
08:45.38MohammadAG51wifi
08:46.10psycho_oreosis wifi on any power saving mode?
08:46.51MohammadAG51yes, intermediate
08:47.39psycho_oreoshumm, maybe lots of data transfers to and fro?
08:48.10MohammadAG51but i took it off the charger an hour ago
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08:49.30psycho_oreosstill, if your using stuff like VNC and/or sshfs (actively transfer) it may use a fair bit *shrugs*
08:49.44MohammadAG51nope, no vnc or ssh
08:49.49MohammadAG51i'm only on xchat
08:49.55kerio"only"
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08:50.53MohammadAG51wtf
08:51.06MohammadAG51xorg's taking +50% cpu usage
08:51.20BCMMxrestop
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08:52.11BCMMi know it isn't for CPU usage, but in my experience, the application that's to blame tends to hog other stuff too
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09:50.16xDaReaperxHi is there any application IRC ?
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09:50.22xDaReaperxto discuss issues with Applications
09:50.22Stskeepsxchat..
09:50.25Stskeepsmorning andre__
09:50.48xDaReaperxno i mean could i discuss the issues relating to Theme Customizer software for the N900 ?
09:51.01Stskeepser.. no idea
09:51.08xDaReaperx...
09:51.09Stskeepsandre__: saw your bugs BoF got approved btw?
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09:51.55andre__Stskeeps, uh, no. nice
09:52.04andre__though Eric and me plan to merge our talks :-P
09:54.28Stskeepsandre__: well, if you're letting go of the slot let us know asap :)
09:54.55Stskeepsor repurpose it
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09:59.04andre__yupp, will do
09:59.17Stskeepsi found out i actually had a meego arm slot too, so :P
09:59.23Stskeepsand i'm even on the bloody committee
09:59.24Stskeeps:P
09:59.34johnxxDaReaperx, this is the general maemo IRC channel. here would probably be a fine place to ask
10:00.15xDaReaperxwell i wanted to know if The theme-customizer app is compatible with the Kinetic scrolling edit by Mohammad
10:00.46xDaReaperxand the two two column task switcher
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10:06.18xDaReaperxno idea is it ?
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10:10.41andre__xDaReaperx, why shouldn't it be compatible?
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10:11.23xDaReaperxno i wonder if it wouldn't be , cause last time i installed some app from the devel i had to reflash
10:11.40xDaReaperxso this time i'd bettah not take the risk
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10:23.03andre__xDaReaperx, well, "devel".
10:23.26xDaReaperxyeah i understand
10:23.46johnxxDaReaperx, asking is the smart thing to do. and you're one of the first people I've seen who has stopped by to ask ;)
10:23.55johnxif I had the answer, I'd definitely tell you
10:24.06xDaReaperxOh thanks a lot :D
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10:53.25dRbiGhmm
10:53.45dRbiGdns stopped working while using usb connection
10:53.48dRbiGwtf
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10:54.03dRbiGit worked perfectly yesterday
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11:14.55dRbiGdoes maemo come with sth like cron?
11:15.11MohammadAG51alarmd
11:15.46dRbiGcan i use it like cron? ie. for execution of commands
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11:19.01DocScrutinizer2alarmed even
11:19.29DocScrutinizer2alarmed has cron-alike syntax for cmdline
11:19.39DocScrutinizer2:-D
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11:20.00DocScrutinizer2(guess who suggested that :-P )
11:20.27dRbiGyeah, right now i have another new problem: i made the dns work, but app manager asks me to connect to a network... i'm connected through the usb and all is working
11:20.47dRbiGit seems as the gui world part of maemo doesn't see that i'm connected
11:21.10dRbiGthat would also go in pair with the fact that the dns wasn't setup automagically
11:21.50dRbiGehh
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11:29.35DocScrutinizer2just in case you are puzzled: alarmd is a daemon like crond & atd, while alarmed is the UI like crontab
11:29.56DocScrutinizer2only much smarter :-D
11:30.03timeless_mbpwhy would anyone be puzzled by that!? :)
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11:31.35DocScrutinizerquite a number of people thought I mistyped
11:32.03DocScrutinizernot noticing there's an app pkg called alarmed (with 'e')
11:32.13luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: sounds like an argument for Android replacing X11 with whatever :p
11:32.27luke-jr_cron is the *nix standard, not some proprietary alarmd
11:32.46DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: can't bother at all
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11:33.18DocScrutinizercron is completely unsuited for usage on a mobile device
11:33.34luke-jr_why?
11:33.52timeless_mbpluke-jr:  x11 sucks
11:33.59timeless_mbpeveryone in their right mind replaces it :)
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11:34.10keriox11 is great
11:34.20kerioyou can open windows through a network
11:34.20luke-jr_timeless_mbp: so nobody?
11:34.20Stskeepsluke-jr_: alarmd is open
11:34.21kerioOH WAIT
11:34.21Stskeeps:P
11:34.24timeless_mbpum, Photon and RDP are great
11:34.30DocScrutinizermaybe because they didn't concern about battery consumption when developing crond ?
11:34.35luke-jr_Stskeeps: still non-standard <.<
11:34.40Stskeepsluke-jr_: no u
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11:34.57luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: cron is a standard, not a specific implementation
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11:35.15luke-jr_there are at least 4 implementations of cron, and there could be a 5th if they weren't suitable
11:35.26DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: I suggest a symling from crond to alarmd :-P
11:35.34DocScrutinizersymlink
11:36.02timeless_mbpluke-jr: where's the standard for cron?
11:36.07timeless_mbphttp://www.opengroup.org/onlinepubs/009695399/utilities/crontab.html has stuff for crontab
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11:36.12DocScrutinizerthe fastest lowest effort implementation of your life
11:36.15luke-jr_timeless_mbp: nfc
11:36.41timeless_mbpluke-jr:  if you can't point to it, it doesn't exist!
11:37.03DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: don't feed the troll X-P
11:37.11luke-jr_you just did
11:37.21timeless_mbpluke-jr: that's for the app which manages it
11:37.22DocScrutinizerapplies to me as well, yes
11:37.28psycho_oreosalarmd is woeful, after a few days of uptime with device and alarm going off, it takes at least 5 seconds before the UI acknowledges the user has already pressed a specified button.. and all that time it has been sounding away assuming user has yet to press a button
11:37.30timeless_mbpit's legal for a standard to define an access method
11:37.34timeless_mbpwithout defining a file format
11:37.50timeless_mbpyou claimed cron (the engine or the control format) was standard
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11:37.54timeless_mbpmy reference is to an editor
11:38.08luke-jr_timeless_mbp: read your link
11:38.15timeless_mbpi tried to
11:38.18luke-jr_it defines the format
11:38.26DocScrutinizerpsycho_oreos: not alarmd's fault
11:38.33psycho_oreosand if alarmd was superior to crond why is alarmed using crond?
11:38.45timeless_mbpluke-jr: where?
11:38.46luke-jr_psycho_oreos: I wish it were that good
11:38.58luke-jr_timeless_mbp: "INPUT FILES"
11:39.16psycho_oreosDocScrutinizer, well not exactly but its not like alarmd is fault free either
11:39.22luke-jr_as it is, Maemo's alarm never works for me anymore it seems :/
11:39.45timeless_mbpooh, i can't schedule a cron to run at minute 60 :(
11:39.47timeless_mbplame
11:39.52timeless_mbp(or was it second 60? whatever)
11:40.05timeless_mbp(probably second 60 actually)
11:40.20luke-jr_timeless_mbp: cron doesn't support sub-minute resolution
11:40.27timeless_mbplame :)
11:40.43luke-jr_ooh, cron doesn't support Tonal units. lame ☹
11:40.45luke-jr_:P
11:41.24DocScrutinizerooh, luke-jr_ seems doesn't support a --nontroll option - lame ;-P
11:41.25luke-jr_actually, on a serious note, cron's inability to support sub-minute resolution prevents it from kicking the battery charger's watchdog ☹
11:41.43timeless_mbpheh
11:41.44luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: RTFM. It's -D or something
11:41.46timeless_mbpsleep()
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11:42.54DocScrutinizerprobably +q
11:42.57timeless_mbpdo people really use the % feature?
11:44.03DocScrutinizer??
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11:44.55timeless_mbpsee my url
11:45.00DocScrutinizermeh
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11:45.07timeless_mbp(example 2)
11:45.12timeless_mbp0 12 14 2 * mailx john%Happy Birthday!%Time for lunch.
11:45.31DocScrutinizerwtf?
11:45.59timeless_mbpluke-jr: so..
11:46.03timeless_mbpRATIONALE
11:46.04timeless_mbpAll references to a cron daemon and to cron files have been omitted. Although historical implementations have used this arrangement, there is no reason to limit future implementations.
11:46.21timeless_mbptechnically the file isn't required to exist. so there =b
11:46.28luke-jr_what file?
11:46.39timeless_mbpi was right in surmising that crontab is merely an api for editing/viewiing
11:46.50timeless_mbpthere need not necessarily be a real file w/ that format :)
11:46.54DocScrutinizeras is alarmed
11:46.54luke-jr_I wasn't talking about anything else
11:47.11timeless_mbpyou seemed to claim that 'cron' was a standard
11:47.20luke-jr_'cron' to me means the standard :P
11:47.22timeless_mbpmy link clearly shows that only 'crontab' (an editor) is a standard
11:47.29timeless_mbpwell, you're wrong!
11:47.34luke-jr_pedantic!
11:47.44timeless_mbpthat's the whole goal of standards!
11:47.45DocScrutinizerhahahahahahaaa
11:48.30DocScrutinizerprints >>[2010-10-10 13:47:34] <luke-jr_> pedantic!<< in 60PT and pins it to the wall
11:48.32dRbiGoh, alarmed provides some 'built-in' functions
11:48.33luke-jr_where does it say "it is forbidden to refer to this standard as 'cron'"?
11:48.34dRbiGnice
11:48.45dRbiGwonder if i can add more than one built-in to an event
11:49.23dRbiGokey, seeing the list of built-ins my question is irrelevant
11:49.30DocScrutinizerdRbiG: nope, this suggestion of mine isn't yet implemented to alarmed
11:49.57dRbiGDocScrutinizer: with that amount of built-ins it doesn't matter
11:50.15timeless_mbpluke-jr:  you can call an apple a pear, but that doesn't make it one
11:50.19dRbiGi was hoping to find sth like 'connect to wifi' etc.; a lot more built-ins
11:50.29DocScrutinizeryou can even extend the 'built-ins' with your own definitions
11:50.33dRbiGbut that's not a problem, i'll just write a script for what i want
11:51.07DocScrutinizerdRbiG: yep
11:52.04DocScrutinizeractually Shapeshifter did an amazing job by implementing alarmed
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11:56.50dRbiGanother topic: can i somehow get the info about the package (like description, from which repository it came, etc.) using apt-*/dpkg?
11:57.25DocScrutinizerapt-cache --help
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11:58.06airdoes bluetooth support multiple connected devices?
11:58.09DocScrutinizerdpkg -S ;#iirc
11:58.27DocScrutinizerair: a good question
11:58.33SpeedEvilyes air.
11:58.44SpeedEvil(neglecting the API/hardware of the n900)
11:58.44airthanks
11:59.02DocScrutinizerseems it's limited to 4 connections, while standard requires 8 - afaik
11:59.31DocScrutinizer(the N900 BT that is)
12:00.02DocScrutinizeralso that's not applicable for all BT profiles aiui
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12:00.40DocScrutinizere.g. it seems you can't connect two BT headsets concurrently
12:00.48SpeedEvila2dp for example has limits
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12:03.41DocScrutinizeraiui only bt pan actually supports multiple connected devices. But I have to admit I haven't wrapped my head around it
12:05.01DocScrutinizerair: probably bluez ML and/or channel is a beter place to discuss this :-)
12:05.41Bash1Hey Guys :)
12:05.54DocScrutinizerlo Bash1
12:06.27Bash1how are you guys doing on this fine day?
12:06.40MohammadAG51is studying chemistry, grr
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12:07.04SpeedEvilI am pondering white goods.
12:07.18DocScrutinizerwhatever that means
12:07.27SpeedEvilSpecifically, whether to get a stupidly large, or a ridiculously large chest freezer.
12:07.27MohammadAG51stabs perverted mind :P
12:07.37MohammadAG51Oh!
12:07.41MohammadAG51silly me :p
12:08.14SpeedEvilhttp://www.appliancesonline.co.uk/product/RCNAA33P-Hotpoint-Chest-Freezer-White-15798.aspx
12:08.22MohammadAG51DocScrutinizer, solved the lag issue, psm was causing it
12:08.39DocScrutinizerooh, so white goods is actually "weisse ware"
12:08.48MohammadAG51as well as both my laptop and N900 having the same ip
12:08.51DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: :-D
12:09.02DocScrutinizerLOL
12:09.10MohammadAG51DHCP fails sometimes
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12:09.21BCMMMohammadAG51: you assigned the same address to two devices, and your biggest problem was *lag*?
12:09.33DocScrutinizerIP collisions can bring down whole server farms :-P
12:09.35MohammadAG51BCMM, i didn't
12:09.37MohammadAG51router did
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12:09.43BCMMburn it
12:09.46noodles900my mobile ISP blocks all gmail, hotmail, yahoo mail account login pages ! wtf!?
12:09.50MohammadAG51it's new xD
12:09.55BCMMnoodles900: you need a new ISP
12:10.02noodles900there only is one
12:10.08BCMMnoodles900: are you in china?
12:10.11MohammadAG51make a new one
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12:10.15MohammadAG51LOL
12:10.21noodles900BCMM: close ;)
12:10.25SpeedEvilnoodles900: https probaly
12:10.30MohammadAG51BCMM, that's kinda racist :P
12:10.37MohammadAG51you associated noodles with china
12:10.44BCMMMohammadAG51: heh
12:10.46SpeedEvilNoodles are italian.
12:10.53noodles900SpeedEvil: possibly indeed - it all goes through their crappy proxy
12:10.57BCMMofc, i was actually referring to the country with the most internet filtering
12:11.00DocScrutinizerwhile everybody knows noodles are associated to Italy :-P
12:11.08SpeedEvilBCMM: ITYM north korea
12:11.11BCMMnoodles900: i feel pretty ignorant; i don't actually know where .th is
12:11.16noodles900BCMM: check my whois
12:11.21BCMMSpeedEvil: not having internet doesn't really count
12:11.24noodles900giyf ;)
12:11.29SpeedEvilBCMM: It's where all the thighs are.
12:11.40BCMMnoodles900: ah, .th is thailand
12:11.44noodles900SpeedEvil: indeed - and you should see them
12:12.07BCMMnoodles900: so you only have one mobile network? (or only one which does internet)
12:12.19noodles900yep
12:12.45BCMMnoodles900: any idea why? can you use those from "normal" ISPs in your country?
12:13.07noodles900define "normal" ;) everything here is sniffed
12:13.27BCMMnoodles900: i mean, is it a government thing, or is it just that ISP?
12:13.39BCMMnoodles900: do you know how they block it? if it isn't illegal and stuff, maybe you can just use a different DNS server?
12:13.40noodles900I need a ssl irc ;)
12:13.40DocScrutinizernoodles900: ever tried an open proxy?
12:14.48noodles900DocScrutinizer: it goes through the ISP's proxy first . port 8080
12:15.07DocScrutinizernoodles900: VPN to a box in free Europe :-D
12:15.33BCMMDocScrutinizer: hmm, where is that these days?
12:15.53BCMMsweden?
12:15.58DocScrutinizerextending from my chair to at least my flat's door
12:16.26DocScrutinizerwell Germany still pretty good
12:16.47DocScrutinizerregarding privacy and neutrality of net services
12:17.07DocScrutinizersweden and holland also OK I guess
12:18.11BCMMmaybe he can't - do you have an actual internet connection from your phone, or are you just on a LAN with an HTTP proxy?
12:18.27DocScrutinizertimeless_mbp: what's the name of that Nokia tech preview for that Finland based proxy service?
12:18.49timeless_mbperr, i thought it was .us based
12:18.55timeless_mbpit was ipv6 something
12:18.56DocScrutinizermaybe
12:18.59DocScrutinizeryes
12:19.23DocScrutinizermight be exactly what noodles900 needs
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12:20.01timeless_mbpkicks adium for being stupid
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12:21.06noodles900and then of course there are the frequent breakages...
12:22.58DocScrutinizerMEH http://ipv6.nokia.net/
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12:23.24DocScrutinizerOffline Sorry for the inconvenience. Please check back at a later date.
12:24.14noodles900sounds like my ISP :p
12:24.23timeless_mbpyeah, that's the right link
12:25.28DocScrutinizerenvisions a pentium box sending smoke signals, at Nokia
12:26.53DocScrutinizer"well, this didn't pan out nicely. Oh my, let's start something new... How's about streaming video service?" X-P
12:27.30SpeedEvilmynokiacam
12:27.31DocScrutinizer...intergrated to OVI - muhahaha
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12:34.16DocScrutinizerhttp://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 :-D
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12:38.37DrWilkenDocS: Nice :)
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12:48.03pupnik_what is on that link DocScrutinizer - requires flash. :/
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12:48.44DocScrutinizersorry, it's just a N900.mp4 vid
12:49.42DocScrutinizershowing MHD alt-tab alike window/task switching
12:49.56DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for details
12:50.58DocScrutinizerIt's just so incredibly cool I felt like sharing
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12:51.18DocScrutinizer~hail matan
12:51.19infobotACTION bows down to matan and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!"
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12:58.06BCMMMHD?
12:58.55MohammadAG51modified hildon-desktop
12:59.08DocScrutinizerbtw, as OVI had some weird problems authenticating my media share service on N900, I uploaded via webpage and laptop. OVI converts the mp4 to a flash video, and reduces resulution while streaming the whole thing in "HD" by default. This doesn't pan out on N900 microB - switching to "SD" (lower right of toolbar) greatly improves user experience in microB
13:00.16DocScrutinizerin HD it's like slow-motion
13:00.38DocScrutinizer~lart OVI
13:00.38infobotthrows OVI's poor little doggy off a cliff
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13:02.15RST38hGoogle has built a fleet of cars that drive themselves, and over the past several months, these robotic vehicles have driven over 140,000 miles on public roads
13:02.34DocScrutinizerOMG
13:02.37RST38hNext: attaching weaponry
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13:03.47DocScrutinizerRST38h: you missed that step. It's obsolete meanwhile, rsp has been done years ago. Driving in battle field is much easier than in a public road, and it's already accomplished
13:04.06DrWilkenDocS - Just set it up... Yeah, it's cool... ;)
13:04.12DrWilkenThx for sharing :)
13:04.17DocScrutinizeryw
13:04.19Corsacwell, the point being to attach weaponry on public road :)
13:04.34RST38hWho said they will drive with weapons on the battlefield?
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13:04.49RST38hNooo, Doc, this is not what the robotic weaponry is for =)
13:05.03RST38hMeanwhile: ...what the investigators experienced during their "life inside Foxconn" will simply add to the company's widespread reputation as a hideous workplace where employees commit suicide, are roughed-up by company goons (and then commit suicide), are exposed to toxic chemicals, and more...
13:05.03sivangDocScrutinizer: where's the video?
13:05.08DocScrutinizerCorsac: great plan! :-D probably cheaper to rip such a car, than to pay for automatic waepons delivered by russian maffia
13:05.24RST38hDoc <-- missing the point
13:06.20DocScrutinizersivang: see backscroll?
13:07.02pupnik_http://www.debian.org/ports/kfreebsd-gnu/  Debian+FreeBSD
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13:08.15RST38hWhy do you need Debian there? FreeBSD is sufficient.
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13:14.01DocScrutinizererani: :-D
13:14.27RST38h<PROTECTED>
13:14.40DrWilken<PROTECTED>
13:14.47alteregoThat's mean
13:14.57alteregoI didn't even do anything :P
13:14.57eraniO.o'
13:15.02_llll_/ignore alterego
13:15.18sivangDocScrutinizer: but can't find the video on your page at tmo
13:15.38eraniin busy channels i find more comfortable to ignore stuff except discussion. :P
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13:15.46DocScrutinizerthere's no video on my tmo page (tmo????)
13:16.09DocScrutinizerwmo maybe
13:16.11alteregoDocScrutinizer: talk.maemo.org
13:17.31DocScrutinizerthe vid is on ovi: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10092 - the details are on wiki: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools - no tmo involved at all
13:18.20sivangDocScrutinizer: so ovi agreed for it  eventually? :)
13:18.30DocScrutinizereh?
13:18.38sivangDocScrutinizer: btw, if you want to keep files running, or anybody else for that matter, we should speak
13:18.45DrWilkenIt's just a vid upload to OVI :)
13:19.32sivangoh okay
13:19.36sivangI got too passionate
13:19.40sivang;)
13:19.42DrWilken:D
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13:24.55BCMMooh, that's pretty neat
13:25.41MohammadAG51the iPhone 4 beats the N900 at taking photos
13:25.55MohammadAG51at least it doesn't spend ages taking a pic and processing it
13:26.25RST38hMohammadAG: http://scalarmotion.wordpress.com/2009/03/15/propeller-image-aliasing/
13:26.27eraniN900 is a bit way older than iPhone 4 I think
13:26.49MohammadAG51hmm, what's the processor in that POS?
13:29.16DocScrutinizerPOS?
13:29.56DocScrutinizeraah
13:29.58DocScrutinizerhmm
13:30.00DocScrutinizer~pos
13:30.01infobotSee ibmpos
13:30.06DocScrutinizerlol
13:30.10DocScrutinizer~ibmpos
13:30.10infobotmethinks ibmpos is IBM Piece Of S#$t or a stinking piece of antique technology made to drive programmers insane
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13:30.46MSJ1983hey
13:31.53BCMMMohammadAG51: how much manual stuff does the iphone provide for photos?
13:33.15BCMMRST38h: does the n900's camera do that?
13:33.16RST38hActually iPhone4 camera app is really good at image processing
13:33.20RST38hBCMM: No idea
13:33.28RST38hProlly not though
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13:34.01MSJ1983halllo mohammadAG51... serached for you long time ... can i plz pm you???
13:34.01RST38hiPhone creates visually attractive small images, loved by most non-photographers
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13:34.48RST38hat closer distance they are garbage of course, but so are most cameraphone photos anyway
13:36.27MSJ1983are you there mohammedAG51????
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13:37.57MSJ1983oky somebody that knows mohammedag51 that can help me????
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13:38.49MSJ1983i have truble installeing a program called psfreedom on my nokia it says something about python2.5-qt4
13:38.55MSJ1983how do i get it???
13:38.57MSJ1983:-)
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13:45.43DrWilkenMSJ1983 - It's in extras so You should be able to install it using the application manager - It's called "PyQt4 Full Install"
13:45.51DrWilkenhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/python2.5-qt4/
13:46.07MSJ1983can i plz pm you
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13:47.11DrWilkenpsfreedom is in Extras-Devel so if You have Extras and Extras-Devel enabled You should be able to install it all via application manager.
13:47.45DocScrutinizerMSJ1983: there's no secret knowledhe about insatlling PyQt that mustn't get disclosed in this channel publicly - so why pm?
13:47.56sivangMSJ1983: you have to enable the repository so make sure you have it enabled.
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13:49.01MSJ1983it says that i need to install libq4-testand libq4-script before i can install the pyqt4 full install
13:49.02MSJ1983:-)
13:49.08MSJ1983what to do
13:49.21DocScrutinizer*who* says that?
13:49.55DocScrutinizerthe application manager?
13:50.11DrWilkenDon't download it from the link I provided... Install if using the Application Manager... :)
13:50.18DrWilken<PROTECTED>
13:50.33MSJ1983that what i did
13:50.42MSJ1983then it says it need two more files
13:50.43MSJ1983:-)
13:50.50DocScrutinizer*who* says that?
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13:51.04MSJ1983the app manager
13:51.09DrWilkenThen let it install them.
13:51.37DocScrutinizerappmngr is supposed to pull dependencies 'automatically'
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13:51.57MSJ1983oky i try again it wont let me install the pyqt4 begause it need the two other files before i can
13:52.04MSJ1983is my english so bad :-)
13:52.06DocScrutinizerif it complains about missing pkgs, I guess you miss a few repos/catalogs
13:52.13DrWilkenMake sure You've got Extras, Extras Testing and Extras Devel enabled.
13:52.51DocScrutinizer...in 'catalogs' in appmanager
13:52.53MSJ1983i have all off them maemo.org extras maemo extra delvel extras testing all of them
13:53.18MSJ1983tried in two days too make it work
13:54.06DrWilkenYou might have misconfigured one of them
13:54.25DrWilkenCheck the catalogs one by one
13:54.56DrWilkenhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras (N900 for firmware PR 1.2)
13:55.01DrWilkenhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-testing#How_to_activate_Extras-testing
13:55.06DrWilkenhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel#How_to_activate_Extras-devel
13:55.51DocScrutinizerand it's fremantle, not freemantle ;-D
13:56.03DocScrutinizer(a common oopsie)
13:56.04SpeedEvilStupid name.
13:56.08SpeedEvilThat gets most people.
13:56.15DrWilkenJup :)
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13:57.42MSJ1983oky i will try it out will be bak soon with updates
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14:04.01MSJ1983oky tried it but no go... :-)
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14:06.16alteregoDum-de-dum-do-do
14:06.51MSJ1983is it somything about the new update for the nokia n900
14:06.59DrWilken?
14:06.59MSJ1983i have read a tons of stuff via google
14:07.05MSJ1983many have the problems
14:07.07MSJ1983for it
14:07.23DrWilkenlink?
14:08.15MSJ1983whait i have too find it again :-)
14:08.27SwedeMikewhat new update is that?
14:09.15DrWilkenI'll just try to install psfreedom in the meanwhile
14:10.16DrWilkenI didn't have any problems installing it.
14:10.26MSJ1983and you have a nokia n900??
14:10.31MSJ1983what the ....
14:10.37MSJ1983what wrong with me its new
14:10.41DrWilkenno N9
14:10.46DrWilkenYes, I have a N900 :)
14:10.52MSJ1983:-)
14:11.01MSJ1983whats wrong with mne
14:11.12MSJ1983mine
14:11.17MSJ1983you have updatged it right
14:11.18DrWilkenpulled 15 packages incl. psfreedom
14:11.20DrWilkenYes
14:11.36MSJ1983how did you do it did you write it on xterminakl
14:11.49DrWilkenNo
14:12.14DrWilkenUsing fapman but it should work using the standard app manager too
14:12.37MSJ1983oky i try download fapman and try whait a sec
14:12.45DrWilkenI still think Your catalogs aren't set up correctly
14:12.52DocScrutinizer51MSJ1983: can you save appmanager log please, and pastebin it
14:12.58MSJ1983i have checked ever one of them mate
14:13.04DrWilkenok
14:13.32MSJ1983doc>>> how do i pastebin it :-)
14:13.40DocScrutinizer51of course after trying to install psfreedom
14:13.53DocScrutinizer51~pastebin
14:13.53infobot[~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude.
14:14.22MSJ1983i have too install that can i imagine right
14:14.42MSJ1983??
14:15.10DrWilkendoesn't matter. just paste the log to one of the sites mentioned and provide the link
14:16.21DocScrutinizer51http://pastebin.ca/upload.php
14:17.08MSJ1983i have done it on pastebin.com
14:17.09MSJ1983:-9
14:17.20MSJ1983sry didt see you link befor now
14:17.32DrWilkenlink? :)
14:17.42MSJ1983http://pastebin.com/JAMJwBkX
14:17.47MSJ1983sryi am new at this
14:18.33MSJ1983drwilken>>> cannot find the fapman program mate
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14:18.44MSJ1983is it right docs???
14:18.51DrWilkenone thing at a time... :)
14:20.01MSJ1983oky... drwilken,... but isent it wired that you can do it with no problem... could it be begause i live in dk??
14:20.15DrWilkenI live in DK to... :D
14:20.18DrWilkenso no ;)
14:21.05DrWilkenthere isn't anything useful in your log. try installing psfreedom and paste the log after that.
14:21.20MSJ1983oky 3 sec
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14:23.02MSJ1983where do i find the log for it dr...
14:23.03MSJ1983??
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14:23.26DrWilkenapplication manager -> log -> save as
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14:23.43DrWilken(You just did it 2 secs ago) :)
14:24.01MSJ1983but its the same that it saying that why i asked
14:25.35DrWilkenweird. try pressing update and then check if there's anything useful in the log
14:26.02MSJ1983oky
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14:26.05MSJ1983whait :-)
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14:26.27DrWilkena catalogue fails? :)
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14:26.37MSJ1983witch one
14:26.37MSJ1983???
14:26.50DrWilkenit was a question :) hence the '?'
14:27.15MSJ1983no update... it just says
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14:28.21MSJ1983somthing els in the log
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14:28.26MSJ1983will copy it know
14:28.30DrWilkenok
14:28.45DrWilkeni'm installing psfreedom using application manager now
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14:29.22MSJ1983now
14:29.25MSJ1983oky
14:31.17dolpwhat do i need to add to my madde project so i can use qt mobility messaging abilities.. i cant seem to get it to work
14:31.35DrWilkenno problem - pastebin.ca/1958664
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14:31.55MSJ1983what does that mean drwilkien
14:32.19DrWilkenthat's just the log of the install. You should be getting something similar when trying to install.
14:32.40MSJ1983oky should i try again or??
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14:33.45DrWilkenI'm almost certain that You're having problems with a catalogue.
14:34.03MSJ1983oky i will try the whole thin again
14:34.09DrWilkenok
14:34.58MSJ1983i have too add all the 3 links right
14:35.07MSJ1983do you have tdc internet also
14:35.25MSJ1983can i deactivtae the other catelagoes
14:35.29MSJ1983that comes with nokia
14:35.32DrWilkenno
14:35.46DrWilkenjust check that they are correct
14:35.52MSJ1983also the qvi
14:36.00DrWilkenjust leave it
14:36.27MSJ1983pre-PR1.1 is ours not 1.2
14:36.28MSJ1983+??
14:36.35DrWilkenyes
14:36.42DrWilkenI posted that earlier too :)
14:36.51MSJ1983so what do to with http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras
14:36.59DrWilkenthere's instructions for 1.2. too...
14:37.09DrWilken"The configuration below is for N900 for firmware PR 1.2:"
14:37.12MSJ1983aha... is eee
14:37.17MSJ1983see--
14:38.02DrWilkenwhen You have checked all 3 catalogues are correct let it update again and make sure that no catalogs failed
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14:39.40MSJ1983did you write commands like deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ diablo free non-free
14:39.48DrWilkenNo this is fremantle
14:40.05DrWilkenI'll write a page with all the settings You need and give You a link
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14:41.04MSJ1983oky... many thx... mate...
14:42.21DocScrutinizer51starts to have daydream nightmares about fixing a borked maemo system after some really icky pkgs like powerkrnl were installed by someone that has no idea about the warnings that come with devel
14:42.52MSJ1983now it asked for libqt4-test
14:42.55MSJ1983and another file
14:42.58MSJ1983isent that wired
14:42.59MSJ1983??
14:44.08DrWilkenlol Doc :)
14:44.33DrWilkenhttp://pastebin.com/muNV8PwM
14:44.55DrWilkenBEWARE: Testing and Devel might break You device... Don't come cryin'... ;)
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14:46.59MSJ1983oky
14:47.03MSJ1983give me 5 min
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15:01.47timeless_mbpanyone here have a picture of the maemo crash reporter complaining about http response 100?
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15:13.57ShadowJKheh, google search is pretty broken on maemo4 diablo with microb now
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15:16.29SpeedEvil:(
15:16.36alteregoShame microb isn't OSS really ;)
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15:16.52ShadowJKThat's weird. On N800 there are magnifying glass icons next to results, trying to click results blanks out most of the page and pops up a small preview elsewhere
15:17.03ShadowJKbut on N810 google search works
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15:17.19MohammadAGalterego, indeed
15:17.41MohammadAGalterego, did I hear you say something about the PandaBoard the other day?
15:17.41MohammadAGwas lagging too much
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15:18.45alteregoMohammadAG: yeah, applied with a proposal, even if I don't get accepted I think I'll buy one, looks too good :)
15:19.36MohammadAGalterego, I want one
15:19.42MohammadAGand flash 10.1 :P
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15:20.51alteregoHeh, I don't care much for flash, as long as iplayer and youtube continue working.
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15:26.18MSJ1983mohammadAG i have problems with your psfredom plz help
15:27.30MohammadAGMSJ1983, enable devel, and install it from the repos
15:27.38DocScrutinizerMSJ1983: you got plenty of help already, why pester MohammadAG now?
15:27.54alteregoHah
15:28.07DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: see? exactly what half a dozen other users here told you before
15:28.12MohammadAGyeah, I'm singing on rb2 :P
15:28.15DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: sorry
15:28.21DocScrutinizerMSJ1983: ^^^
15:28.39MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, xP
15:28.52nidOsigh, lack of any decent tablet to buy is dull :(
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15:29.23MohammadAGsweet, gold stars
15:29.30MohammadAGthinks about porting libhildon and hildon-desktop to MeeGo
15:29.34MohammadAGthe existing UI sucks
15:29.48MohammadAGMaemo 5's UI rocks
15:29.58DocScrutinizerwhat's the correct way to have a file of mime type application/x-install-instructions - on microB/maemo5 ?
15:30.03MSJ1983what does enable devel mean :-)
15:30.14MohammadAGfacepalms
15:30.29MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, .htaccess
15:31.36MohammadAG[hostnamehidden]$ repo/.htaccess
15:31.36MohammadAGAddType application/x-install-instructions .install
15:31.43DrWilkenMSJ -> I've tried helping You with it, but it seems that You're having problems with the Nokia repositories. Wait until they work again
15:32.09MSJ1983yes you are right drwilken
15:32.10MSJ1983:-9
15:32.11MSJ1983:-)
15:32.26DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: thanks but MEH :-S
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15:34.21MSJ1983but nice app
15:34.26MSJ1983mohammed
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15:37.59alteregoI really need to do some more coding, I've been hit with a load of webbsite contracts and short deadlines :/
15:38.09alteregoStill, it's money :J
15:40.40MohammadAGgives alterego his two cents
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15:41.57alterego:)
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15:43.29alteregoWell, I've finoshed one now, gotta upload it and get paid tomorrow, then I should have a little extra time to finish my projects.
15:46.30DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: isn't there a predefined filename pattern for mime type appication/x-install-instructions on default maemo?
15:47.25DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: I mean, even clicking on a local install file doesn't open it with HAM
15:48.21DocScrutinizerI.E.: what filename extension does a install file need so HAM is invoked when clicking on the install file?
15:49.34DocScrutinizererr, nm
15:50.29DocScrutinizerfilemanager is happy with my install file, only microb - when using 'file:///home/user/foobar.install' URL - just shows plain text
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16:00.50alteregoDocScrutinizer: needs a content type when using uris, which isn't possible with file: schemes :)
16:01.29DocScrutinizer51hmm. yes
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16:02.40DocScrutinizer51well, wait a day. I'll set up an URL to click - to install all those repos
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16:06.28DocScrutinizerfor now you can download http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/repositories.install to some location in MyApps, then 'open' it with filemanager
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16:07.36DocScrutinizerI'm not absolutely sure it works without 'dist' though HAM is supposed to use current dist of OS (so fremantle for N900) if it's empty
16:08.26DocScrutinizeranyway HAM has included the catalogs, checked updates, and no errors popped up
16:08.54DocScrutinizerbut for now those are duplicates on my N900
16:09.03DocScrutinizerneed a few more tests
16:09.15MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I think it doesn't, but fremantle/tools is NOT optified
16:09.39DocScrutinizerlol, I know
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16:12.10DocScrutinizery'know I'm temped to hard replace the config file, but then I thought doing it the 'right way' would be a nice exercise
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16:12.59dRbiGhmm, can i add my own led/vibrator patterns? i was thinking about a little script that will flash the led in some specific way every hour
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16:13.50DocScrutinizerrduse led pattern editor pkg for editing LED patterns, use alarmed + dbus-send to trigger the pattern
16:13.59DocScrutinizerdRbiG: ^^^
16:14.12dRbiGDocScrutinizer: exactly what i was thinking about
16:14.35DocScrutinizerdRbiG: for vibra you need to manually edit /etc/mce/mce.ini
16:14.39nox-moin
16:14.46dRbiGi just didn't see any way in led pattern editor to actually add new patterns
16:15.00DocScrutinizerthere's nonne?
16:15.02dRbiGso i'm asking if adding one directly in mce.ini is supposed to work
16:15.04DocScrutinizernone*
16:15.16DocScrutinizeryes, it's supposed to work
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16:15.54dRbiGDocScrutinizer: you can edit the ones that are available, and there is some 'copy' button, but that is all
16:15.55DocScrutinizeryou need to boot to make mce take notice of changed mce.ini iirc
16:16.05dRbiGcant i kill -HUP it?
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16:16.13DocScrutinizermaybe works too
16:20.05MohammadAGNO!
16:20.13DocScrutinizeryeah, even the copy button is flawed. And the timing also is off by factor 2. LED pattern editor needs some fixes
16:20.17MohammadAGstop mce or start mce
16:20.17MohammadAGdon't use kill
16:20.37DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: calm down, look, think! :-D
16:21.08dRbiGokey, thx, no killing will be performed :)
16:21.24DocScrutinizerdRbiG: kill -HUP is ok iirc
16:21.54DocScrutinizeror maybe it was -USR1
16:21.58DocScrutinizeror whatever
16:22.12RST38hquacks, for achange
16:22.34nox-its kind of common for daemons to handle SIGHUP as `reload config'
16:22.42DocScrutinizerack
16:23.34DocScrutinizer(except for mgetty :-P )
16:24.53nox-hah well thats not exacttly what youd usually call a daemon :)
16:24.59nox-exactly
16:25.28DocScrutinizerexacTTlY ;-D
16:25.48nox-exacttyly? :)
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16:37.10dRbiGanyone here uses queenbeecon widget (what a name btw.)?
16:37.32lcukfapman is better
16:40.44dRbiGanyway there are about three features that desktop cmd exectuin widget lacks and i would find them quite useful
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17:04.14alteregoHrm, is it possible to change the colours the terminal uses me wonders
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17:05.59MohammadAGalterego, tap title bar, then select font
17:06.14MohammadAGI want gnome-terminal
17:06.41alteregoNo,I mean the ansii colours.
17:07.19RST38hI'm afraid not
17:09.51alteregoI'd quite like gnome-terminal too :)
17:10.06alteregoI looked into porting it a while ago, then lost interest
17:10.27RST38hAnyone knows how I can get rid of all those mount points created by Python?
17:10.32RST38hI removed Python already
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17:14.45RST38hAnyone???
17:14.55MohammadAGpython-optify?
17:14.59MohammadAGor whatever it's called
17:15.02RST38hit has been removed
17:15.06RST38hbut the crap stayed
17:15.07MohammadAGpymaemo-optify?
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17:15.24RST38hrc  pymaemo-optify                                      0.5                               PyMaemo optification package
17:15.24RST38hrc  python2.5-minimal                                   2.5.4-1maemo6                     A minimal subset of the Python language (version 2.5)
17:15.27RST38hBoth marked rc
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17:19.22RST38hPurged them with dpkg -P. Crap is still n 'df'
17:21.07nox-just ignore it (and hope they're gone after next reboot :)
17:22.37MohammadAGrc?
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17:31.04DocScrutinizer51RST38h: uninstalling a package or even sysinit scripts will not umount
17:32.44dolpwhat do i have to do to be able to compile something with Qt Mobility (Messaging) things on MADDE (0.6.72)?
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17:43.07dRbiGhmm, pattern i added seems not to be working, and now the wondering starts
17:43.53RST38hDoc,Mohammad: I cannot find this stuff in rc, and all py-related packages have been purged
17:44.02RST38hweird crap =(
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17:46.23rapidsphow to open archives in GUI?
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17:47.10Myrttithat almost made sense without context
17:47.50RST38hMoo, Myrtti
17:47.58Myrttibaabaa
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17:48.31johnsqHi
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17:51.06RST38hAhhaha, I have found where this garbage resides
17:53.25RST38hBindings are gone now, but still cannot deletedirectories
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18:04.04dRbiGdoes alarmed cron strings accept modern cron syntax? like: 0 8-20/2 * * 1,3,5
18:06.17dRbiGnope, it doesn't :S
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18:27.50DocScrutinizerRST38h: hmm, interesting
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18:28.49DocScrutinizerRST38h: where?
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18:31.35timeless_xchathello world. anyone here have an n900 and a few minutes?
18:32.09Venemo_N900timeless_xchat: I do
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18:35.01RST38hDoc: /etc/mtab
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18:35.27DrWilkenRST - That's just a  list of the currently mounted filesystems AFAIK
18:36.07DrWilkenhttp://www.brunolinux.com/02-The_Terminal/Fstab_and_Mtab.html
18:36.26DrWilken"This file handles the mounted devices and is automatically updated by the mount command."
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18:36.45RST38hwell it is the only place
18:37.32DrWilkenTry a grep -R <search-phrase> /
18:37.44DrWilkenYou need gnu-grep installed.
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18:40.00DrWilkenYou did reboot after uninstalling pymaemo-optify, right?
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18:40.31RST38hyeah, multiple times
18:40.44DrWilkenok
18:41.01DrWilkenguess an uninstall doesn't clean up as it should... :/
18:42.08RST38hwonders who came up with this abomination at the first place
18:42.27DrWilkenThere was a need for it before PR1.2
18:43.00RST38hwhat changed with pr1.2?
18:43.23DrWilkenLot's of stuff was put in /opt/maemo
18:43.46DrWilkenwhich previously was in rootfs
18:43.52DrWilkenI think I've found it
18:43.58RST38h?
18:44.01DrWilken/etc/default/pymaemo-optify
18:44.12DrWilken/etc/default/pymaemo-optify:BIND_MOUNTS="/usr/lib/python2.5 /usr/share/pyshared /usr/lib/pyshared /usr/share/python-support /usr/lib/python-support"
18:44.13RST38hI do not have it
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18:44.49RST38hin fact, pymaemo-optify cannot be found anywhere in /etc
18:45.19DrWilkenThat's weird. I'll just try to move it out of /etc/default and reboot and see if it still does the bind mounts.
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18:46.07RST38hmaybe dpkg -P killed it a while ago
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18:46.45DrWilkenthen it shouldn't do the bind mounts, should it? :)
18:47.33DrWilkentheir gone after putting a # in front of the BIND_MOUNTS line
18:47.41crashanddiethey're
18:47.46DrWilkenthanks :)
18:48.06crashanddieyw
18:48.14DrWilkenfeels educated :)
18:50.11DrWilkenJust did a dpkg -L pymaemo-optify and these are the (important) files it brings: /etc/default/pymaemo-optify, /etc/event.d/pymaemo-optify and /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify
18:50.28RST38haha
18:50.41RST38hnone are present
18:50.46DrWilken/etc/event.d/pymaemo-optify executes /etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify start
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18:52.29DrWilken/etc/init.d/pymaemo-optify checks if /etc/default/pymaemo-optify exists and creates bind mounts for each of the entries in it.
18:52.52DrWilkenI have no idea why Yours are still present... :/
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18:53.16RST38hmaybe it needs yet another reboot...will see
18:53.47DrWilkenmight be a good idea after editing /etc/mtab :D
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18:54.41nox-edit /etc/mtab ?  i thought that one's generated?
18:54.49RST38happarently it is
18:55.02DrWilken:)
18:55.06RST38hbut that was the only place where python was even mentioned
18:58.15DocScrutinizerby reboot we meant your maemo, not your memory
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19:05.03DrWilkenRST -> I don't know what mounts them if it's not pymaemo-optify. no idea...
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19:12.06DrWilkenIf You just want to get rid of the bind mounts You could always reinstall pymaemo-optify and just comment out the BIND_MOUNTS line in /etc/default/pymaemo-optify... :D
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19:14.17DrWilkenUgly fix for an ugly hack... or was it the other way round? :)
19:15.35RST38hpython probably won't work then =)
19:15.54JaffaDrWilken: pymaemo-optify just adds the lines to /etc/fstab IIRC
19:16.07DrWilkenI think it will ;)
19:16.20JaffaRST38h: Indeed, unless you have oodles of rootfs space to put the libraries back in their original locations.
19:16.25DrWilkenit's just bind mounts to links ;)
19:16.42RST38hJaffa: Remind me, why didn't symlinks work?
19:17.26DrWilkenI forgot about that. whoops :)
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19:21.06arvutHi..
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19:25.13arvutwow this seems abit dead, is this a chitchat or support channel?
19:25.52lcukarvut, if we said hi to everyone who entered my keys would be worn out :P
19:26.02lcukand you caught it at a quiet time
19:26.24arvutheh true
19:27.17arvutso, what kind of channel is it?
19:28.55DrWilkenRST - http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=427441&postcount=29
19:29.10nox-anyone here like jarre?  http://www.ustream.tv/channel/ten10ten
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19:32.29DrWilkenRST: Actually this one explains why symlinks don't work
19:32.30DrWilkenhttp://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2009-October/021348.html
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20:18.51DocScrutinizerapache anybody?
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20:19.29DocScrutinizerwhat config option is stopping apache from listing directory content?
20:19.42Stskeepslack of +Indexes ?
20:19.56DocScrutinizernever seen this
20:20.20DocScrutinizeris this a file name, or a config option in .htconfig?
20:20.52DrWilkenconfig option. it's under a directory statement
20:21.02DrWilken<Directory /blah/blah>
20:21.10DrWilkenOptions +Indexes
20:21.15DocScrutinizerthanks
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20:27.09DocScrutinizermeh, still the friggin Apache 2 Test Page
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20:28.45DrWilkenvhost?
20:28.48DocScrutinizeryep
20:28.57DrWilkenName based?
20:29.05DocScrutinizererr yep
20:29.10DocScrutinizerthink so
20:29.40DocScrutinizerindex.html is working fine
20:29.45DrWilkenok
20:29.51DrWilkenthat was my next question :)
20:30.11DrWilkenhttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/examples.html
20:30.24jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i have apache2
20:30.27DocScrutinizerjust w/o index.html it doesn't list files but instead shows that test page
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20:30.39jacekowskithat's strange
20:31.01jacekowskiwhat are you trying to achieve?
20:31.44jacekowskiehh
20:31.45jacekowskihttp://jacekowski.org/Maemo/Chromium#comment-96
20:31.52DocScrutinizervery simple, something similar to http:/people.openmoko.org
20:32.36jacekowskimod_autoindex
20:33.08DocScrutinizererrm, lemme grep this
20:33.24jacekowskibasicaly what you have to do is create a folder that apache can access
20:33.32jacekowskihave your folder there
20:33.33DocScrutinizerthere is
20:33.41jacekowskifolders*
20:33.42jacekowskithen
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20:34.18DocScrutinizerthere is a folder with a file, I can access the folder/file and I can access folder/index.html
20:34.23DrWilkenIf You don't have mod_autoindex it should complain about Options +Indexes
20:34.33DocScrutinizerwhen I enter URL >folder>
20:34.38jacekowskitake a look at
20:34.53jacekowskihttp://blah.jacekowski.org/server-info
20:35.16jacekowskithat's full config of my apache
20:35.27DrWilkenjacekowski - that's not a permanent page is it?
20:35.29DrWilken:)
20:35.49jacekowskiit is
20:35.55jacekowskii don't have any passwords there
20:36.28jacekowskithere is nothing that would be any threat there
20:36.34DocScrutinizer[Sun Oct 10 22:26:14 2010] [error] [client 85.116.194.200] Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /www/vhosts/jr/mae
20:36.35DocScrutinizermo/
20:36.46DrWilkenJust found this: http://wiki.apache.org/httpd/CommonMisconfigurations
20:37.10DrWilkenjace - Just a lot of useful info for a hacker - version etc. Your choice ;)
20:37.25jacekowskiblah
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20:37.33jacekowskilike version gives anything to anybody
20:37.41DrWilkenlike security issues?
20:37.48jacekowskiwhy
20:38.06jacekowskithat only means that attacker has to try couple more exploits
20:38.11DrWilkenif they know your using a vulnerable version of let's say php they'll try to exploit it
20:38.19DrWilkentrue
20:38.27DrWilkenmaybe i'm just paranoid :)
20:38.29jacekowskithey can exploit it without knowing version
20:38.37jacekowskithat's security by obscurity
20:38.44luke-jr_when does anyone verify version before attempting an exploit?
20:39.01DrWilkenscript kiddies do
20:39.07SpeedEvilSecurity by obscurity is security too.
20:39.11luke-jr_doubt it
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20:39.12DrWilkenyes :)
20:39.18DrWilkenthat's my motto :)
20:39.18DocScrutinizercould anybody comment on >>Directory index forbidden by Options directive: /www/vhosts/jr/maemo<<
20:39.25jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: i can
20:39.26luke-jr_also, if you're running a vulnerable version… UPDATE IT
20:39.26SpeedEvilIt is poor security, but it adds.
20:39.27luke-jr_duh
20:39.40SpeedEvilFirst rule of security.
20:39.46SpeedEvilYou do not have to run faster than the bear.
20:39.49jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: <Directory "/www/vhosts....">
20:39.57jacekowskiOptions Indexes
20:40.01jacekowski</Directory>
20:40.13DrWilkenno trailing slash on the directory statement afair. that's pretty important
20:40.17DocScrutinizermeh, I have Options +Indexes
20:40.18luke-jr_SpeedEvil: heh, that assumes the bear is indiscriminate
20:40.40jacekowskiwell, i prefer to have version that has no known vulnerabilities
20:40.58DrWilkenme 2. but i _also_ hide version(s)
20:40.59jacekowskirather than have vulnerable version and hide it
20:41.36jacekowskiwell, that only adds maybe 3-4 versions
20:41.40SpeedEvilI'm not saying that's not a good thing.
20:41.42DrWilkenlots of exploits are out before there are fixes
20:41.48luke-jr_I prefer to have a version with no known vulns, that claims to be an especially vuln version, and counter-attacks when someone attempts to exploit it
20:41.49luke-jr_<><
20:42.00DrWilken:)
20:42.22luke-jr_or at least null-routes the attacking IP
20:42.24DrWilkeni don't counterattack, just drop
20:42.34DrWilkenor redirect to 127.0.0.1
20:42.36DocScrutinizerno luck :-S
20:42.41jacekowskiwell, PaX and grsec will kill apache if shit happens
20:42.47lcukpeople who do not want their devices to get infections should use a condom as a pouch
20:43.02luke-jr_…
20:43.18jacekowskiso even if it's vulnerable there is no way to inject shellcode
20:43.29DocScrutinizerI.E. Options Indexes still gives me Apache 2 Test Page
20:43.41luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: remove index
20:43.48jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: your vhost config is messed up
20:43.55DocScrutinizeruhu
20:44.05DrWilkendoes it resolve?
20:44.07jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: take a look at my config
20:44.07DocScrutinizerremove what index??
20:44.18jacekowski<VirtualHost *:80>
20:44.25luke-jr_index*
20:44.46jacekowski<PROTECTED>
20:45.00DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: jr$ remove index --> bash: unknown command: remove
20:45.25jacekowski<------><Directory /var/www/>
20:45.25jacekowski<------><------>Options Indexes FollowSymLinks MultiViews ExecCgi
20:45.25luke-jr_DocScrutinizer: find / -name index.* | xargs rm -v
20:45.34jacekowskiand that sort of stuff
20:45.35DocScrutinizeryayayaya
20:45.37DrWilkenhttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/vhosts/
20:45.40DocScrutinizerluke-jr_: sure
20:45.45luke-jr_(you might not want to actually do that)
20:45.51DocScrutinizerpfff
20:47.02DrWilkenhttp://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.0/mod/core.html#virtualhost
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20:47.31DrWilkenbut as jace said use *:80
20:47.34DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
20:47.36DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
20:47.37DocScrutinizer<PROTECTED>
20:47.39DocScrutinizer</VirtualHost>
20:49.29DrWilkenRight before Options put this
20:49.33DrWilkenOrder Allow,Deny
20:49.35DocScrutinizer'elo? everything working like a charm, just it shows that fsckng Apache2 Test Page instead of a ls -l, when there's no index.html file in the dir
20:49.40DrWilkenAllow from All
20:50.23DrWilkenAnd the Directory statement doesn't _need_ to be _inside_ the VirtualHost
20:50.33DrWilkennot sure if it makes any difference
20:51.05DrWilkenI always put them by themselves - after </VirtualHost>
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20:52.52DrWilkenDo You have AllowOverride Indexes in your httpd.conf ?
20:53.02DocScrutinizerthere has to be a BS Option or LoadModule somewhere that overrides fileindex with that apache2testpage, no?
20:53.18DocScrutinizerlemme check
20:54.23DocScrutinizerthree times "AllowOverride None"
20:55.15DrWilkenjust a sec. not sure if AllowOverride only has to do with .htaccess files.
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20:56.32DrWilkenit's only for allowing options in .htaccess files
20:56.40DocScrutinizeris this goddamn testpage hardcoded into apache?
20:57.06DrWilkenIt's in httpd.conf
20:57.06DocScrutinizerotherwise you'd think it should be pointed to somewhere in httpd.conf
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20:57.29luke-jr_the test page is an index.* file
20:57.40DrWilkenWhich distro are You using?
20:57.47DocScrutinizercentos
20:57.54DrWilkenok
20:58.06DrWilkenSELinux? :)
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20:58.14DocScrutinizererrrrr nope?
20:58.17DrWilkensure?
20:58.21DocScrutinizernoo
20:58.25DrWilkencheck /etc/sysconfig/selinux
20:59.00DrWilkenIf it's enforcing it's blocking disk access to the apache process
20:59.21DocScrutinizer#       disabled - SELinux is fully disabled.
20:59.23DocScrutinizerSELINUX=disabled
20:59.30DrWilkenOK, that's not it then ;)
21:00.19DrWilkenWhen You're accessing the website You have a / in the end of the URL, right?
21:00.36DocScrutinizeryes
21:00.38DrWilkenok
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21:23.36Corsachmhm, was there some packages to add some codecs to gstreamer which could be used by the jabber video calls?
21:25.16yaccWondering => does maemo support compcache?
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21:36.59Jartzaoh
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21:37.21Jartzabtw. is there any fixes for the long-press-context-menu thingie?
21:37.34Jartza3rd party fix is also fine
21:38.36Jartzastill work erratically in n900, almost the only thing that still bothers me
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21:39.34BCMMstill kinda feels like magic that scratchbox executes ARM ELFs from a "normal" shell
21:39.39DocScrutinizerhmm, updated my tools page
21:39.48Jartzamenu appears under your finger, so it's impossible to see it & raising your finger closes the menu
21:39.55Jartza:(
21:39.55DocScrutinizerif somebody might bother to test the repo install
21:39.57johnxBCMM, qemu 'user mode' is awesome (when it works), isn't it?
21:40.08BCMMjohnx: yeah!
21:40.10luke-jr_johnx: when doesn't it work?
21:40.25johnxluke-jr, when your binary wants to call some syscall that isn't implemented
21:40.44BCMMyeah, as it happens i'm trying to play with the accelerometer, so i see my error message first thing
21:40.45DocScrutinizermany thanks to DrWilken
21:40.46BCMMbut still
21:41.07luke-jr_johnx: which is all of them afaik, up to some 2.6 ver
21:41.15BCMMDocScrutinizer: where is your tools page?
21:41.29BCMMbtw, i am right in saying that scratchbox still doesn't work with ARM binaries that want to use the X server?
21:41.41johnxluke-jr, uhm, then why did you ask "when doesn't it work?" ?
21:42.19Jartzano fix? :(
21:43.00johnxJartza, not that I know of? do you have 'vibrate on tap' on so you can at least tell if the 'click' was registered?
21:43.13Jartzanope
21:43.20JartzaI hate the vibrate on tap :)
21:43.41johnxthis would explain why the menu thing bothers you more than me ;)
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21:44.14JartzaI was positively surprised that those menus work better in symbian^3
21:44.44johnxthey work just fine for me like 95+ % of the time ...
21:44.56JartzaI surely can see that the menu appears, yes. but mostly it appears under finger :P
21:45.18Jartzaand it could stay open until dismissed like a dialog
21:45.29johnxaaaah, the context menu
21:45.32johnxnot the app menu
21:45.35johnxgot it
21:45.37Jartzayes
21:45.38johnxyeah, those are a PITA
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21:45.44Jartza"right click"
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21:45.52johnxit's worst when the system is under load too
21:46.04JartzaI didn't even realise how pita they are until I got N8 :)
21:46.27Jartzaeven if I hate symbian, context menus work like charm on that :)
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21:47.27johnxthat's like saying, "This car drives like crap, the seats are uncomfortable, but the power windows work great!" :P
21:47.36Jartzayeah :)
21:47.51Jartzabut it has high mpg :)
21:48.08Jartzaanother positive thing was battery
21:48.13johnxbecause it has a slow engine :P
21:48.21johnxs/slow/weak/
21:48.31johnxcan sit here and make car analogies all day :>
21:48.46MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=837973#post837973 :)
21:48.50Jartzamaybe so. it's still not as crap as I thought it would be :)
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21:49.15Jartzabut I still prefer my n900
21:49.55johnxMohammadAG, that would be an awesome way to make splash screens. thanks
21:50.07Jartzahmm
21:50.19DocScrutinizerBCMM: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
21:50.31Jartzamaybe I have to bite into sources and look where those context-menus are
21:50.40Jartzaand see if that can be fixed
21:50.44MohammadAGjohnx, I used to edit hermes to make those splash screens :)
21:50.46johnxactually, one of the most annoying things is when mail starts and I think it's usable since it lists my accounts, but it's actually not ready to accept clicks yet
21:51.12Jartzathat I don't know as I have mail open all the time :)
21:51.19johnxterminal makes me even more crazy though :)
21:51.32Jartzawhy? :)
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21:52.00johnxit appears, shows a prompt, I type something quick, hit enter, it sits there, then accepts the last half of the command I typed and tries to run it, fails
21:53.11Jartza:)
21:53.16Jartzatype more slow
21:54.19johnxor: change my x terminal PVR screenshot so it says "Please wait, loading ..." over the center
21:54.35Jartza:)
21:54.46johnxwhen the prompt is there, I should be able to start typing. that's the meaning of prompt :P
21:55.40MohammadAGjohnsq, I do the same in PSFreedom "Application loading, please wait..."
21:55.54nox-if you're swapping that much, maybe just type a space first and wait till that appears before you contine typing?
21:56.09nox-continue even
21:56.35johnxnox-, that's fair and usually I wait for the typed letters to appear before I hit enter
21:57.23MohammadAGjohnx, watch for the spinning indicator next to the name in the title bar
21:57.30MohammadAGwhen it's done spinning, XTerm's loaded
21:57.31johnxbut I'm a cranky unix guy who's been trained for years that "when the prompt is there, all is well" and I'm resistant to change my behavior on one of the many unix-like systems I use :)
21:57.44johnx<- just complaining, please ignore :)
21:57.56johnxI'll make myself a splash screen next time it annoys me :)
21:58.03MohammadAGlikes complaints, as long as they're not @ him
21:58.29nox-found the enter key bug more annoying, i even hacked terminfo/termcap before i found theres a ticket with a patched deb...
21:59.58MohammadAGschool tomorrow, night peeps
22:00.07johnx'night MohammadAG
22:00.18DocScrutinizernight moh
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23:30.51luke-jr_johnx: because it always works?
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