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| 00:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | hah, maybe I can power N900 from a GTA02 smartbat, and read out the bq27000 values :-P |
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| 00:50.10 | ieatlint | DocScrutinizer: you're drunk |
| 00:50.46 | SpeedEvil | It's not in principle an insane idea. |
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| 00:53.52 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, SpeedEvil - completely offtopic. i charged up my battery for my helicopter |
| 00:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | ieatlint: I wish I were |
| 00:54.27 | lcuk | and when i plugged it in the power to the main rotors was good until I hit a level, then when it got fastest it crapped out seriously |
| 00:55.13 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: did you get out OK? |
| 00:55.13 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 00:55.20 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, yeah |
| 00:55.23 | lcuk | it was just odd |
| 00:55.28 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: crashes can be bad, especially if not buckled in. |
| 00:55.30 | lcuk | the RC unit was responding fint |
| 00:55.33 | lcuk | fine |
| 00:56.05 | SpeedEvil | li-ion cells are flaky used at high powers. |
| 00:56.11 | ieatlint | i don't have a helicopter :( |
| 00:56.15 | SpeedEvil | they can need fairly regular replacement. |
| 00:56.17 | lcuk | its been idle for 18months@ |
| 00:56.25 | SpeedEvil | Prolly needs replacementr |
| 00:56.31 | lcuk | have one ordered |
| 00:56.34 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 00:56.35 | SpeedEvil | I have a hoverboard design. |
| 00:56.37 | lcuk | just thought I would fire up that one and see |
| 00:56.45 | SpeedEvil | But no funding. :) |
| 00:56.49 | lcuk | heh |
| 00:57.01 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: 18 months without maintenance? |
| 00:57.04 | lcuk | :) my dad bought me a helicopter a while ago |
| 00:57.12 | lcuk | I just thought I would try and fly it :) |
| 00:57.16 | lcuk | yeah DocScrutinizer |
| 00:57.29 | DocScrutinizer | get rid of that cell |
| 00:57.46 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, have done, not even tried to tweak it |
| 00:57.52 | lcuk | the new one is on the way |
| 00:57.54 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OsBc8RqSKU |
| 00:57.56 | SpeedEvil | is fun |
| 00:58.30 | lcuk | holy crap! |
| 00:58.40 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. :) |
| 00:59.21 | ieatlint | hoverboard? like back to the future style? |
| 00:59.34 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, actual mobile HB? |
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| 00:59.40 | lcuk | or the fakey type |
| 00:59.57 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: sort-of. |
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| 01:00.18 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: 60Kg or so weight, ~1m*1m, accellerates up at 2G |
| 01:00.31 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: With a 100Kg passenger. |
| 01:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | bah, a decent H2 explosion in a room full of lead acid batteries. That's much better |
| 01:00.49 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: tops out at maybe 4Km. |
| 01:01.01 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: basically a closely packed array of ducted fans. |
| 01:01.16 | SpeedEvil | And rather a lot of lithium-ion cells. |
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| 01:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | 3kF :-D |
| 01:03.08 | DocScrutinizer | err 1 |
| 01:05.07 | dsg | Anyone tried the firefox beta? |
| 01:05.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 01:05.27 | SpeedEvil | seems to work. |
| 01:05.29 | dsg | Their repos are still broken (malformed Release file error here) |
| 01:05.32 | SpeedEvil | Not tried it much |
| 01:05.38 | dsg | SpeedEvil: Where'd you download it? |
| 01:06.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ |
| 01:06.54 | SpeedEvil | then find the download link |
| 01:07.17 | nox- | yeah i reported that in the mozilla irc and was even pointed to this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63508 |
| 01:08.10 | nox- | had reported with with the 2.0 nightlies as well, guess fixing that is low priority... :) |
| 01:08.11 | dsg | Thanks |
| 01:08.22 | nox- | s/with with/that with/ |
| 01:08.24 | SpeedEvil | It 'just worked' for me. |
| 01:09.26 | nox- | the install via http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta ? |
| 01:09.36 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 01:09.42 | nox- | hm weird |
| 01:10.08 | nox- | maybe its a l10n issue? |
| 01:10.23 | delt | ok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power" |
| 01:10.39 | delt | so if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly. |
| 01:12.47 | SpeedEvil | battery may need replaced |
| 01:14.00 | delt | weird, a few days ago this worked constantly, with no hassle, on a battery 5-10% full |
| 01:14.33 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 01:15.28 | delt | *sigh*... so any way to enable "rd mode" from the n810 itself? |
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| 01:15.54 | delt | OR any proper DETAILED documentation on this "boot menu" thing??? |
| 01:16.53 | delt | just wondering how im supposed to RE-FLASH this device if i fucked it up (which is probably the case) |
| 01:18.51 | delt | so, DocScrutinizer: pressing the POWER button and selecting SWITCH OFF... SWITCHES OFF the device, yes or no? |
| 01:19.11 | delt | or do i still have to remove the battery, THEN hold down "home" THEN plug the usb etc etc....? |
| 01:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | delt: how the hell shall I know? |
| 01:19.59 | delt | you told me to do all that "remove battery, hold down HOME button" etc...right? |
| 01:20.34 | delt | then, didnt work after 10-15 tries you told me "go charge the battery" which i am just back from doing. |
| 01:20.51 | delt | 21:12 < delt> ok, so just disconnected my n810 from the charger... had a black screen that said "battery full, disconnect from charger to save power" |
| 01:20.54 | delt | 21:12 < delt> so if the battery isnt as full as it can be, my name is patoffe and i can fly. |
| 01:21.36 | delt | so if you're not sure about something, just say "i'm not sure" instead of wasting several hours of my time. Ok thanks a lot. |
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| 01:21.49 | DocScrutinizer | delfsckoff |
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| 01:22.12 | DocScrutinizer | IDIOT |
| 01:24.43 | pupnik | well nice to see you say idiot |
| 01:24.57 | pupnik | when it's not a response to something i said |
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| 01:27.49 | DocScrutinizer | I'm only calling suckers names that actually waste my time and blame me for wasting theirs |
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| 01:31.16 | DocScrutinizer | oh, and really SO SORRY my crystal ball fails to diagnose what's going on inside your device, over that distance. Of course a bit of thinking would have revealed I can tell for sure the device is off when battery is removed, but obviously I fail miserably to promise with absolute certainty that hitting "shut down" will actually do that |
| 01:31.21 | DocScrutinizer | once again |
| 01:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | IDIOT |
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| 01:34.39 | DocScrutinizer | raster: hi, pal |
| 01:35.08 | raster | DocScrutinizer: grumpy doc? |
| 01:35.32 | DocScrutinizer | pissed by idiot user with vampire attitude |
| 01:35.44 | raster | heheheh |
| 01:35.54 | raster | enough of them out there :) |
| 01:35.58 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
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| 02:05.23 | OutpostME | maemo ftw \o/ |
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| 02:24.36 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: drop op? |
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| 02:25.24 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, /msg chanserv deop Stskeeps? |
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| 02:27.18 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: faster this way, less typing :-P |
| 02:27.42 | Termana | :p |
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| 02:28.26 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.05 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 02:29.54 | DocScrutinizer | EUNIQ |
| 02:31.15 | Termana | pupnik, any particular reason you found the phrase good enough to spam in 3 channels? (and probably more) |
| 02:32.23 | johnx | pupnik, actually my plan is generally to *avoid* fighting the police |
| 02:33.06 | pupnik | too few channels Termana |
| 02:33.44 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: create new ones! it's easy, and they are all just yours :-P |
| 02:34.01 | pupnik | we all grow old, and more responsible |
| 02:34.34 | johnx | growing old: can't do much about that |
| 02:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | smells pupnik's political hour approaching |
| 02:34.52 | johnx | but I do tend to avoid having unnecessary responsibility dropped on me |
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| 02:35.10 | pupnik | johnx: dropped = forced, no? |
| 02:35.38 | johnx | interesting question. I'd have to say no |
| 02:35.59 | johnx | if someone else drops the ball, I may feel compelled to pick it up but I'm not forced to |
| 02:36.03 | pupnik | what are we doing here, johnx |
| 02:36.08 | pupnik | why are you and i talking |
| 02:36.19 | johnx | because I've been drinking |
| 02:36.19 | pupnik | why do we care |
| 02:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | and why in this channel :-D |
| 02:36.29 | pupnik | no |
| 02:36.33 | pupnik | this is very core |
| 02:36.39 | pupnik | to the soul of maemo and meego |
| 02:36.42 | pupnik | why do we care |
| 02:37.10 | OutpostME | because it's about balls |
| 02:37.17 | johnx | because the alternatives are worse |
| 02:37.20 | DocScrutinizer | hehe |
| 02:37.54 | pupnik | well, it's worth thinking about |
| 02:38.01 | pupnik | maybe it's hard to describe |
| 02:38.41 | pupnik | but... hear now |
| 02:38.53 | johnx | hears now |
| 02:38.54 | pupnik | you don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your OS |
| 02:39.13 | pupnik | you don't want some untrusted jerk controlling your monetary supply --- end the FEDERAL RESERVE |
| 02:39.27 | pupnik | duyurrrrr |
| 02:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | damn, an untrusted jerk is controlling ALL my OS ;-P |
| 02:39.34 | pupnik | right |
| 02:39.37 | pupnik | shoot them |
| 02:39.41 | pupnik | with gun |
| 02:39.52 | pupnik | tok tok |
| 02:39.59 | johnx | pupnik, you've been drinking too, haven't you? |
| 02:40.04 | pupnik | naw |
| 02:40.15 | pupnik | shoot the people who are printing money |
| 02:40.18 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, all your OS are belong to jerks |
| 02:40.19 | pupnik | what a funny idea :) |
| 02:40.39 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik has a schedule in his PIM for those philosophical hours |
| 02:40.48 | Termana | lol |
| 02:41.05 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: only one, and he's looking at me every morning in the bathroom |
| 02:41.29 | Termana | heh :p |
| 02:41.33 | pupnik | tok tok.. .hey it works |
| 02:41.42 | pupnik | look the .. |
| 02:42.41 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, Consider this a good thing, my first reaction wasn't "yourself", it was, "do you live with pupnik?" |
| 02:42.45 | Termana | :P |
| 02:42.57 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 02:43.38 | nox- | haha |
| 02:44.59 | DocScrutinizer | btw which FSCKNG monetary supply? |
| 02:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | hey Mister, spare a dime! |
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| 02:59.22 | misc-- | is there a way to start a program automatically when a certain network interface starts? |
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| 03:01.53 | TermanaN900 | misc--, shouldn't you be able to take advantage of upstart for that? |
| 03:02.16 | misc-- | ahh maybe... I will check it out |
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| 03:08.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | mumbles ifup |
| 03:18.54 | air | who here loves finding memory leaks and wants to do it for me? :) |
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| 05:16.15 | LiraNuna | http://www.intomobile.com/2010/10/04/nokia-n9-hardware-is-nearly-perfect/ |
| 05:16.16 | LiraNuna | :O |
| 05:19.42 | ikke-t | is it safe to run diablo sdk installer on top of fremantle sdk? or should it be done installing manually using root-straps? |
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| 05:20.35 | ikke-t | i want to have both envs, and already have fremantle.... |
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| 06:05.39 | spinningcompass | ikke-t: The framework supports both, I think. You can switch between them w/ sbmenu |
| 06:06.53 | MohammadAG51 | hates the MeeGo UI |
| 06:07.53 | MohammadAG51 | seriously, fremantle's UI owns it |
| 06:08.31 | psycho_oreos | alas N9's unreleased hardware is much cooler than n900's imo |
| 06:10.43 | MohammadAG51 | the N9 probably has a different UI, and is based on MeeGo + debian |
| 06:10.51 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, is there a spec list anywhere? |
| 06:11.28 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, no, just lots of rumours I'm afraid |
| 06:12.08 | MohammadAG51 | if the device eldar has is the N9, it sucks in terms of looks :P |
| 06:12.14 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, supposedly it'll feature 1GHz ARM CPU, with wl1271 (802.11n capable) wifi, 64GB onboard memory, etc |
| 06:12.37 | MohammadAG51 | is interested in RAM |
| 06:13.25 | psycho_oreos | heh I dunno |
| 06:13.35 | psycho_oreos | just lots of leaks.. much like PR1.3 |
| 06:14.00 | MohammadAG51 | err? |
| 06:14.10 | MohammadAG51 | 1.3 was leaked? |
| 06:14.14 | psycho_oreos | and I must admit that n9 looks almost like n8 except probably thicker for proper keyboard |
| 06:14.27 | psycho_oreos | nah the info and speculations were leaked |
| 06:14.31 | MohammadAG51 | the N8 looks like the E66 |
| 06:15.04 | psycho_oreos | n8 looks fugly |
| 06:16.02 | TermanaN900 | exactly and the n9 looks exactly like it |
| 06:16.12 | TermanaN900 | thereby being fugly as well |
| 06:16.15 | gggs | Wow I didn't know a guy from Palm was hired by Nokia for MeeGo |
| 06:16.45 | wmarone | heh |
| 06:16.56 | wmarone | I can totally tolerate fugly if it's got good specs |
| 06:18.20 | psycho_oreos | gggs, it was, the senior vice-president of nokia devices (or handsets) quit after the CEO was laid off along with another exec |
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| 06:18.40 | MohammadAG51 | "it"? was |
| 06:18.58 | psycho_oreos | I guess if n9 looks similar to n8, it'll be good to diss a few symbian fans ;) |
| 06:19.57 | MohammadAG51 | was a symbian fan |
| 06:20.06 | psycho_oreos | `cool game! is that a n8?'... `nah its an n9' :D |
| 06:21.18 | MohammadAG51 | wonders when the neopwn kernel source is coming out |
| 06:21.36 | gggs | psycho_oreos: An article says he was with Palm for 11 years, so I'm assuming he didn't contribute to it's downfall |
| 06:21.42 | psycho_oreos | hated symbian and still isn't a fan of symbian |
| 06:21.49 | gggs | s/it's/its |
| 06:22.00 | MohammadAG51 | psycho_oreos, i've never heard of maemo before |
| 06:22.16 | MohammadAG51 | and iOS is meh |
| 06:22.21 | MohammadAG51 | android isn't popular |
| 06:22.30 | psycho_oreos | gggs, well there was a news article about it and the outgoing vice president's departure had nothing to do with the outing of Nokia's CEO |
| 06:22.36 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, lies :p |
| 06:22.48 | TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, never heard of what before? :p |
| 06:26.19 | gggs | psycho_oreos: PalmOS was a great platform for its time, lets hope he can start MeeGo off on the right foot |
| 06:28.01 | psycho_oreos | gggs, I've heard that WebOS on Palm was nice but I've previously owned a Palm device (m505) it wasn't that particularly great.. I hope the new guy knows a thing or two about linux and to keep meego on its right path, rather than stripping away user's rights |
| 06:28.20 | wmarone | he's focused on the UI |
| 06:28.31 | wmarone | not "whether users can get root access" |
| 06:28.52 | psycho_oreos | UI is part of the root access and access to proper tools |
| 06:29.01 | psycho_oreos | err root access is part of the UI should I say |
| 06:29.02 | wmarone | no, not really. |
| 06:29.27 | psycho_oreos | and how is it not? every maemo device probably had an integrated feature to enable root mode |
| 06:29.34 | wmarone | sure, but that's not part of the UI |
| 06:29.41 | wmarone | it could be part of the bootloader |
| 06:30.36 | psycho_oreos | I highly doubt its part of the bootloader |
| 06:31.25 | MohammadAG51 | NOLO doesn't know shit about root |
| 06:31.33 | wmarone | well, it doesn't need to |
| 06:31.34 | gggs | psycho_oreos: That's a good point, it'd be interesting to see |
| 06:31.44 | wmarone | it just needs to pass down info |
| 06:32.25 | gggs | psycho_oreos: I had an m105, the main reason I ditched it after a year or two was because the touchscreen kept dieing, it went back on warranty at least 4 or 5 times |
| 06:33.47 | psycho_oreos | gggs, I gotta admit the idea of stylus writing was nice but its support on alternative platforms at the time wasn't that great and plus you needed to learn how to write it in its way |
| 06:34.04 | psycho_oreos | gggs, fyi: http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-s-MeeGo-VP-leaves-1102467.html |
| 06:34.33 | psycho_oreos | and root access I still believe is part of the UI, UI is a very broad term, not to be confused with simply just GUI |
| 06:37.06 | psycho_oreos | ahh this was the one I read yesterday: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Nokia-Loses-MeeGo-VP-Ari-Jaaksi-Another-One-Bites-the-Dust-159494.shtml |
| 06:37.08 | wmarone | in that case, root access must absolutely not be part of the UI, otherwise your design efforts have failed utterly. It should be available to those who want it, of course. |
| 06:38.37 | psycho_oreos | root access is part of the UI no matter how you look at it unless you're one of those who can only think that root access must be a means of jailbreaking one's devices like what one has to do with the likes of Android and iOS |
| 06:38.49 | gggs | psycho_oreos: In hindsight using Graffiti was slow, but the UI was cleverly designed, and to this day it was probably the most effective schedule & phonebook I've ever used, but the biggest issue for me was similar to yours- it was a data island, you absolutely needed to connect it to a PC to install apps, backup, restore, etc |
| 06:39.42 | psycho_oreos | and root access is not a priority feature, root access is just a complimentary feature considering maemo was targeted at `niche users/owners' not for regular phone geeks |
| 06:40.27 | psycho_oreos | gggs, which is something I don't look forward to with devices beyond n9 sporting meego |
| 06:40.43 | psycho_oreos | it'll only make me think no more different than what symbian is very much like |
| 06:43.31 | gggs | psycho_oreos: One day I dropped my Palm, and the batteries must've bounced, because it wiped the entire memory. I couldn't use it until I could get home and `re-sync' it, which made me realize how un-resilient OS's like PalmOS, Symbian are |
| 06:45.13 | psycho_oreos | gggs, well I suppose it could also heavily depend on the type of flash chipsets used |
| 06:47.22 | gggs | psycho_oreos: Flash memory has improved since then, but mobile OS dependency doesn't seem to have changed much since then, you still need a `MS Windows XP compatible' to update the firmware |
| 06:47.55 | psycho_oreos | gggs, not only that, most of the connectivity tools were mainly built for windows |
| 06:49.10 | gggs | psycho_oreos: Exactly |
| 06:51.43 | psycho_oreos | gggs, so yeah lets all hope that meego will be turned into something else |
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| 07:45.43 | VladNistor | hello, i seem to have a little issue with ssh and remote connections; i created an rsa key on my phone and copied it to my laptop as stated here http://wiki.maemo.org/SSH . I can login without a password. When I copy my key from the laptop to the phone it always asks for the certificate password. how can I make it not do that? |
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| 07:47.46 | VladNistor | i used the "ssh-copy-id -i" option as it seems cleaner, and the key is in my authorised_keys file, but it still asks for a password :( |
| 07:48.32 | VladNistor | or a passphrase for the key, which defeats the scope |
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| 07:51.04 | alterego | VladNistor: probably because you set a passkey on the key. Try removing it with ssh-keygen |
| 07:52.04 | alterego | ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa |
| 07:52.11 | alterego | Make it blank |
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| 07:55.05 | VladNistor | oh, so I would need to change my laptop key then? |
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| 07:56.20 | VladNistor | alterego, i use it with launchpad and other services, would there be a way to make it not ask for a passphrase without getting rif of it? |
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| 08:02.49 | alterego | VladNistor: you can use the key agent look i t up. Basically you just need to unlock the key once the first time you use it per startup |
| 08:03.44 | alterego | Ii swear the N900's wifi is better than my two laptops' and usb dongle ... |
| 08:04.14 | VladNistor | i dunno, on mine it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while :( |
| 08:04.50 | alterego | Strange, I've found an open ap, which I can use on the N900 but not on anyhting else. |
| 08:05.25 | alterego | I can't even see it on my other devices. |
| 08:05.45 | MohammadAG51 | the N900 has an epic wifi chip |
| 08:05.47 | VladNistor | that's nice |
| 08:05.51 | MohammadAG51 | beats all other nokias |
| 08:05.57 | alterego | :) |
| 08:06.08 | Juozapas | but gps chip isnt very good right ? |
| 08:06.10 | MohammadAG51 | (and my broadcom laptop) |
| 08:06.19 | VladNistor | so my problem is probably with the router then? |
| 08:06.22 | MohammadAG51 | gets a lock in 5 secs here |
| 08:06.35 | MohammadAG51 | what's your problem? |
| 08:06.48 | VladNistor | it show like it's connected but I have no network or internet access after a while |
| 08:06.51 | alterego | My netbook has broadcom and my laptop has intel neither see this ap, my usb dongles are all zydas 1211 |
| 08:07.04 | MohammadAG51 | VladNistor, power saving mode |
| 08:07.19 | alterego | Yeah, was gonna say power saving. |
| 08:07.41 | VladNistor | oh, thanks... i thought it would disconnect not keep saying it's there and not work :)) |
| 08:08.53 | alterego | MohammadAG51: I submitted a pandaboard entry :) |
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| 08:09.01 | alterego | Hope it gets accepted |
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| 08:11.41 | alterego | "What color N8 will be best for photography?" teeheehee |
| 08:13.14 | VladNistor | alterego, i tried ssh-keygen -p ~/.ssh/id_rsa, but it says too many arguments :( |
| 08:13.35 | ieatlint | alterego: fuschia |
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| 08:14.31 | VladNistor | oh, i see now, don't need the ~/.ssh stuff at the end |
| 08:14.32 | VladNistor | thanks |
| 08:15.26 | alterego | np, using the key agent is probably more secure though |
| 08:17.29 | Juozapas | can u recommend some photo/image resizer for n900 ? |
| 08:17.57 | VladNistor | ok, now this is weird, i removed the passphrase but it still asks for one when i try to connect :-? |
| 08:18.58 | alterego | Hrm, are you sure it's the right key file? :) |
| 08:19.19 | alterego | It's the one you're connecting from right? |
| 08:19.39 | VladNistor | yes, i've had this key for my laptop for a while now |
| 08:21.23 | alterego | Hrm, and you're sure it's asking for the passphrase and not the password for the N900? |
| 08:22.05 | VladNistor | crap. it's actually asking for the N900 passphrase... |
| 08:22.11 | VladNistor | n900 key |
| 08:23.39 | alterego | password z:P |
| 08:24.07 | VladNistor | yeah, this operation has the sole purpose of getting me rid of passwords :)) |
| 08:25.02 | VladNistor | and using grsync to sync stuff with ssh :)) |
| 08:25.30 | VladNistor | there, now it works, silly me :P |
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| 08:38.00 | sivang | re all |
| 08:38.02 | sivang | morning |
| 08:38.17 | sivang | from the KDE sprint at Munich |
| 08:38.29 | Stskeeps | morn, having fun? |
| 08:38.30 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:42.57 | sivang | Stskeeps: Me thinks so :) |
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| 10:23.42 | Venemo_N900 | Hi |
| 10:23.51 | Venemo_N900 | what's up in Maemo land? |
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| 10:26.20 | dRbiG | is there any easy way in gtk to set a widget to try to maximize it's size? i've got a treeview, a set of buttons and another set of stuff (treeview and 2x vbox) and i would like the treeview to occupy as much space as possible in the horizontal direction |
| 10:27.04 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: have you looked at the gtk docs? |
| 10:27.46 | dRbiG | Venemo_N900: looking all the time |
| 10:28.06 | dRbiG | i have an idea for this |
| 10:29.00 | dRbiG | hmm, not working :/ |
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| 10:29.46 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: what did you try? |
| 10:29.54 | dRbiG | ok, now it works |
| 10:30.09 | dRbiG | Venemo_N900: moved from .add to .pack_start and setting the fill & expand values manually |
| 10:30.25 | dRbiG | it seems that .add is basically an alias for pack_start with expand & fill set to true |
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| 10:31.36 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: well, I dunno. but you can always look at the source of Maemo Gtk to see |
| 10:32.09 | dRbiG | Venemo_N900: as far as ui coding goes i'm trying to map my tk experience (however little) onto gtk |
| 10:32.15 | dRbiG | seems to work for me |
| 10:32.26 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: "tk"? |
| 10:32.32 | dRbiG | Venemo_N900: as in Tcl/Tk |
| 10:33.12 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: never heard about it |
| 10:33.15 | Venemo_N900 | hm |
| 10:33.41 | Venemo_N900 | is there some statistics available about the number of packages in the repos? |
| 10:33.58 | dRbiG | tk is kind of a mother of all ui frameworks :) |
| 10:35.19 | Venemo_N900 | Mhm |
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| 10:43.28 | Venemo_N900 | alterego: ping |
| 10:45.17 | dRbiG | now another quest to make a treeview not expand more than to fit three list items |
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| 10:57.19 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: why don't you use Qt? |
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| 11:09.51 | dRbiG | Venemo_N900: and why should i use Qt? :) |
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| 11:12.38 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, ping |
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| 11:17.04 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: I didn't say you should. but it's lot easier to work with than Gtk |
| 11:17.18 | Venemo_N900 | dRbiG: also on Nokia devices, Qt is the future |
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| 11:23.58 | RST38h | hmmm.... so, have they ported gpSP to Maemo or not? |
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| 11:39.12 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: pong |
| 11:39.58 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, mind if you share the diff for fmtx-si4713.mod.c please? :D |
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| 11:42.04 | jacekowski | i don't have them |
| 11:42.08 | jacekowski | i never modded .c file |
| 11:42.17 | jacekowski | i modded module itself |
| 11:42.21 | jacekowski | but it's just simple mod |
| 11:43.32 | psycho_oreos | the module as in the fmtxd, nah couldn't be right heh, I dunno I'm looking to see where is the region, looking at that file its a whole bunch of memrefs if I'm not mistaken |
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| 11:44.39 | psycho_oreos | ahh wait, kernel module but the closest one I've found for that module was fmtx-si4713.mod.c.. that was the only source file hmm |
| 11:45.01 | jacekowski | no |
| 11:45.03 | jacekowski | #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS 0x02 |
| 11:45.07 | jacekowski | that's line you have to change |
| 11:45.08 | jacekowski | to |
| 11:45.10 | jacekowski | #define DEFAULT_REGION_SETTINGS 0x04 |
| 11:45.11 | jacekowski | in |
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| 11:45.17 | jacekowski | /kernel-2.6.28/drivers/media/radio/si4713.c |
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| 11:45.51 | psycho_oreos | ahh! bingo thanks! |
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| 11:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | backslaps jacekowski |
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| 11:48.28 | DocScrutinizer | the REAL HACKER patches the binary :-P |
| 11:49.45 | psycho_oreos | or rewrites the whole fmtxd module thing using decompiler like qwerty12 ;) but all is well that I'm not even one lol |
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| 11:51.29 | jacekowski | there are no decompilers for arm |
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| 12:07.24 | dRbiG | hmm, pajtoniÅci: jest jakaÅ skÅadnia w pajtonie 2.x do szybkiego porówniania stringa do prostego patternu? z wildcard wystarczy mi '*' oraz '.' lub '?'; chcÄ coÅ takiego if 'dupa666' =~ 'dupa*': print 'Tak' |
| 12:07.43 | dRbiG | regexpy to overkill tutaj |
| 12:08.10 | jacekowski | it's english channel |
| 12:08.16 | Corsac | hmhm, in fact it's jabber+3g which kills battery, jabber on wifi seems fine |
| 12:08.18 | jacekowski | and regexp isn't an overkill |
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| 12:08.28 | Corsac | so I guess enabled jabber account on 3g prevents it to ever sleep or something |
| 12:08.35 | jacekowski | Corsac: try skype +3g |
| 12:09.03 | Corsac | I don't use skype |
| 12:09.23 | dRbiG | ops |
| 12:09.44 | dRbiG | sorry, not intended for this channel ;) |
| 12:11.19 | dRbiG | jacekowski: i still think that regexps for simple matching with '*' and '?' are an overkill |
| 12:12.01 | dRbiG | and they introduce more problems when you think about all their special characters and syntax |
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| 12:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | Corsac: IM apps over 3G cause it to burn power like mad for TX |
| 12:28.31 | DocScrutinizer | basically a ping every 30s is enough to keep the TX always on |
| 12:28.39 | Corsac | mhm ok |
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| 12:54.34 | kerio | how does fring do that? |
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| 12:57.16 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 12:57.46 | SpeedEvil | 3.5G data, short pings 1 s 186 mA 10 s 120 mA approx. 30 s 136 mA |
| 12:58.14 | kerio | maybe because with 30s it has time to go into idle and then has to immediately go back to transmitting? |
| 12:58.15 | SpeedEvil | So there is some small saving when you back off to 15s or so - 50% |
| 12:58.37 | SpeedEvil | But you need to be idle for >>60s to get the power down to 1/4 |
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| 13:09.22 | lcuk | yawns |
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| 13:41.29 | mirr0r | anyone knows which theme the user has in this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_58jo0TnIOI&feature=player_embedded ? |
| 13:43.00 | lcuk | mirr0r, hm IDK - ask him in comment? |
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| 13:47.45 | cehteh | mirr0r: looks like this oku... forgotten the name |
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| 13:51.26 | cehteh | okuda |
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| 13:55.37 | jacktheripper | does fcam work with PR1.2 ? |
| 14:03.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 14:16.49 | jacktheripper | why do I get a blank viewfinder then ? and: |
| 14:17.04 | jacktheripper | adp1653 2-0030: failed writing fault register |
| 14:17.12 | jacktheripper | video4linux video0: can't power up slaves |
| 14:17.14 | jacktheripper | in dmesg |
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| 14:20.14 | n900-space | hi all |
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| 14:24.31 | BigWookie | I try to emulate N900 with madde ( newest stand alone version and nokiaqtsdk version) , I tried the precompiled version of qemu from the distributed package and compiled my own one. The machine starts, i can see the bootsplash, but after that the screen remains blank, The underneath system is running, as i can ssh to it and on other systems the same image files leed to a graphical interface, just on my 3 computers it just won't work, i'm usi |
| 14:28.16 | GAN900 | Sad reality seems to be that the N900 just doesn't have enough RAM for Fennec. |
| 14:28.32 | Stskeeps | well, considering browserd is always in memory and fennec isn't.. |
| 14:29.31 | Jartza | hmm |
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| 14:30.07 | GAN900 | Stskeeps, XUL adds bloat |
| 14:30.17 | GAN900 | and it doesn't leave much headroom either way. |
| 14:30.26 | GAN900 | Pity I/O is so dog slow. |
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| 15:02.29 | sivang | re all |
| 15:02.41 | Stskeeps | re |
| 15:05.02 | pronto | re |
| 15:05.19 | pronto | (i have no idea why people say re , i jsut see it all over the place :s) |
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| 15:10.10 | psycho_oreos | re = hi again |
| 15:11.02 | lolloo | re |
| 15:11.15 | lolloo | hahaha |
| 15:11.57 | jpinx | htf can re = hi again? |
| 15:13.16 | Corsac | it might come from the french, where it would mean « retour » as in « je suis de retour » / âI'm backâ |
| 15:13.22 | Corsac | or « me re-voilà  » |
| 15:16.40 | ZogG | crashanddie, hey gentoo guru |
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| 15:50.03 | BigWookie | okay i'm a little bit further in my investigation, the problem seems to be x, i can paint the framebuffer... |
| 15:51.47 | Jaffa | re |
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| 16:02.01 | lcuk | BigWookie, its not something as simple as the export DISPLAY variable is it? |
| 16:02.22 | BigWookie | lcuk: nope it goes a little bit further i think |
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| 16:02.36 | lcuk | BigWookie, thats a shame |
| 16:02.41 | lcuk | whats the host OS? |
| 16:03.14 | BigWookie | Host os is Ubuntu 10.04 i686 |
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| 16:04.59 | lcuk | BigWookie, have you ever had the Maemo SDK installed? (as comparison only) |
| 16:05.27 | BigWookie | nop |
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| 16:09.35 | BigWookie | atm i use the stand alone version of madde |
| 16:13.39 | RST38h | yawns |
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| 16:53.45 | BigWookie | Oky the first problem ist that HAL won't start~ |
| 16:54.40 | SpeedEvil | I'd suggest suiting up, and starting pulling logic cards. |
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| 16:55.56 | BigWookie | /dev/input/* all work fine in the emulator, but X can't connect to them |
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| 17:11.42 | sphenxes | I am planning to buy nokia n900. Is it possible to install amarok on it? |
| 17:13.42 | Hoxzer | most likely yes |
| 17:13.56 | javispedro | it would look awful, though. |
| 17:14.07 | RST38h | heya javispedro |
| 17:14.14 | javispedro | helo RST38h |
| 17:14.21 | RST38h | Check this out: http://early-onset-of-night.tumblr.com/post/1206666159/say-hello-to-mechanically-separated-chicken-its |
| 17:14.39 | javispedro | wtf |
| 17:14.40 | sphenxes | I would like to play music from my ampache server,? what would you suggest as media player on maemo (nokia n900)? |
| 17:14.42 | RST38h | now knows why he never ever eats at thesefastfood places |
| 17:15.58 | Hoxzer | sphenxes: You're aware that N900 has free grooveshark client? |
| 17:15.59 | javispedro | RST38h: but that's the future! *sips tasty soylent green* |
| 17:16.01 | Hoxzer | *of that |
| 17:16.35 | sphenxes | Hoxzer, no. would it work with ampache? |
| 17:16.39 | BigWookie | okay even further, DBUS won't start - dsmesock_connect: Connection refused |
| 17:17.19 | sphenxes | javispedro, thanks for the link |
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| 17:17.44 | RST38h | javispedro: Yea, that, and the rat meat... |
| 17:17.55 | Hoxzer | sphenxes: It let's you play just about any song from grooveshark's central server. (You dont need to have your OWN server running) |
| 17:18.08 | Hoxzer | Very much like spotify |
| 17:18.29 | sphenxes | Hoxzer, thanks. i will take a look |
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| 17:23.52 | sivaN900 | thp: thanks for wiki edit |
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| 17:29.29 | BigWookie | can anyone tell me what "dsmetool" is for? |
| 17:29.30 | jacekowski | talking to dsme |
| 17:29.37 | BigWookie | "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused" |
| 17:29.49 | jacekowski | then phone will restart in 32s |
| 17:29.51 | jacekowski | at most |
| 17:29.56 | javispedro | unless bme is also not running |
| 17:30.04 | BigWookie | what does dsme? |
| 17:30.07 | jacekowski | nope |
| 17:30.14 | jacekowski | once dsme is started i |
| 17:30.16 | javispedro | and this is not a n900 =) |
| 17:30.17 | jacekowski | it starts watchdog |
| 17:30.26 | jacekowski | and watchdog will never stop |
| 17:31.04 | BigWookie | okay heres my situation |
| 17:31.25 | BigWookie | i've got madde, and a session to the device |
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| 17:31.48 | BigWookie | but the screen is blank, so i looked in Xorg log and there it is forever waiting for hal |
| 17:32.11 | BigWookie | when i try to start hal it says i should look if dbus is running, which it isn't |
| 17:32.29 | BigWookie | but I also can't start it becaus of "dsmesock_connect: Connection refused" |
| 17:32.58 | jacekowski | try running it as root |
| 17:33.05 | jacekowski | hmm, then dsme is not starting |
| 17:33.07 | BigWookie | i doo |
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| 17:35.25 | BigWookie | so what to do now? |
| 17:35.58 | jacekowski | flash it |
| 17:36.08 | BigWookie | i'm using an emulator |
| 17:36.13 | javispedro | I don't think were talking about a real device |
| 17:36.51 | BigWookie | I used 4 different hosts and dozens of different configs |
| 17:37.03 | jacekowski | ah |
| 17:37.06 | BigWookie | I used the NokiaQtSDK madde and the stand alone madde |
| 17:37.13 | jacekowski | i always use real thing |
| 17:37.22 | BigWookie | mine didn't arrive yet |
| 17:37.49 | BigWookie | funny thing is, i tried this on 4 different hosts, linux and windows, and i ssem to be the only person with this problem |
| 17:38.52 | BigWookie | Netbook of a friend of mine, we used the SAME FILES and on his machine it is working, on mine not |
| 17:39.15 | javispedro | Intel gfx card on his netbook? |
| 17:39.22 | BigWookie | and on mine too |
| 17:39.39 | BigWookie | on my desktop nvidia ion |
| 17:40.14 | BigWookie | I even installed a fresh ubuntu server and started qemu with a vnc server |
| 17:41.22 | BigWookie | i don't get how nobody else experienced this |
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| 18:03.19 | TomaszD | Stskeeps, natives are restless again at tmo |
| 18:03.37 | RST38h | what again? |
| 18:04.05 | TomaszD | the tmo tribe is getting worked up about something again |
| 18:04.11 | SpeedEvil | PR1.3? Flash? |
| 18:04.16 | TomaszD | flash |
| 18:04.23 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 18:04.35 | RST38h | ah that |
| 18:04.55 | RST38h | I am sure TI lawyers will be mighty surprised this Monday |
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| 18:05.41 | TomaszD | I can't bring myself to care about all this, it's just fun to watch I guess |
| 18:05.41 | RST38h | When they get 9000+ requests for an obscure sample package that nobody but some Chinese engineers has ever requested before |
| 18:06.19 | RST38h | yea, great entertainent value, almost like visiting a zoo, except you do not feel sad for THESE guys |
| 18:06.28 | javispedro | those evil chinese engineers, wanting to keep the full glory of flash 30.70 for themselves. |
| 18:07.16 | RST38h | I know it is probably very illegal, but somebody should package that damn .so into a .deb and make it available via torrent or something |
| 18:07.26 | javispedro | goes cause some more restless in tmo :P |
| 18:07.38 | RST38h | Just to get the pressure off =( |
| 18:07.49 | BigWookie | Umm how / where is dsme supposed to get started? |
| 18:07.57 | Stskeeps | TomaszD: at least they're not messaging me anymore |
| 18:08.16 | RST38h | Stskeeps: they will, on monday |
| 18:08.50 | javispedro | BigWookie: have you checked the usual things? is the download corrupted, is your filesystem out of space, are you installing madde on the suggested location, do you have some other application installed that could possibly be LD_LIBRARY_PATH'ing some nonsense? |
| 18:08.51 | Stskeeps | and everyone seems to think i'm a douche who won't share the smiley face pills |
| 18:09.10 | BigWookie | javispedro: yep all of that |
| 18:09.16 | RST38h | Stskeeps: that, of course, you are =) |
| 18:09.19 | TomaszD | well they should, it's all your fault that flash 10.1 hasn't been released yet for maemo 5, that pr1.3 is not public yet |
| 18:09.21 | kerio | wait, what happened |
| 18:09.28 | kerio | we have an updated flash player now? |
| 18:09.29 | TomaszD | and world hunger is also Stskeeps's fault |
| 18:09.35 | kerio | does it suddenly not suck? |
| 18:09.55 | BigWookie | javispedro: I first thought it could be a qemu problem till i came to the idea of painting on the fb |
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| 18:10.03 | RST38h | Actuallty, even if you shared, they would blame you for all their N900 troubles (freezes, crashes, packages do not install, etc) for the next month or so |
| 18:10.14 | javispedro | RST38h: do not even joke about that, it could be physically dangerous |
| 18:10.36 | BigWookie | javispedro: so I compiled my own qemu-arm version and tried doing everything manually |
| 18:10.39 | RST38h | which paart? |
| 18:10.42 | javispedro | envisions pitchfork wearing lemmings |
| 18:11.30 | RST38h | ah |
| 18:11.30 | Stskeeps | RST38h: i should share a rot13 encrypted .so that replaces all flash with goatse |
| 18:11.35 | TomaszD | the word you're looking for is wielding, not wearing |
| 18:11.47 | javispedro | ta, TomaszD |
| 18:12.36 | lcuk | Stskeeps, for some people they would hardly notice |
| 18:12.37 | RST38h | Stskeeps: So that every flash plugin placeholder shows a goatse? Yes. |
| 18:12.43 | kerio | Stskeeps: meh, goatse is old |
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| 18:13.09 | lcuk | kerio, as with everything nowadays |
| 18:13.19 | Stskeeps | RST38h: yes |
| 18:13.27 | RST38h | got contacted by the FBReader guy, there is still hope I will not have to do 0.12.x after all :) |
| 18:13.36 | kerio | i say meatspin |
| 18:13.40 | javispedro | RST38h: I though he moved to android |
| 18:13.41 | kerio | with the original ytmnd soundtrack |
| 18:13.44 | javispedro | *thought |
| 18:13.53 | javispedro | err.. |
| 18:13.54 | RST38h | javspedro:No, this is the core FBReader guy |
| 18:13.59 | RST38h | crossplatform, etc |
| 18:14.11 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 18:14.58 | RST38h | TomaszD: Considering a typical lemming size vs a typical pitchfork size, "wearing" may not be that far from the truth :) |
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| 18:19.49 | javispedro | ah, nice thread. *bookmarks it* will make for a nice bedtime read. |
| 18:20.24 | nox- | moin |
| 18:20.32 | javispedro | morning |
| 18:21.14 | nox- | moin javispedro |
| 18:21.28 | tank-man | RST38h, does the fbreader author speak english? |
| 18:21.41 | RST38h | tank: No idea, we communicate in Russian |
| 18:21.51 | RST38h | tank: But he most likely does |
| 18:23.04 | tank-man | i was just wondering what he would think about some ebook reader (physical reader) that i think uses his software (fbreader) but the maker doesnt acknowlede it or provide source |
| 18:23.49 | RST38h | tank: I think these guys know about such readers and license fbreader to them |
| 18:23.59 | RST38h | tank: Under a separate license |
| 18:24.14 | SpeedEvil | Only if fbreader is only that guys work. |
| 18:24.22 | RST38h | There is a group |
| 18:24.30 | SpeedEvil | Then it's easy for him to relicenxe to an arbitrary licence. |
| 18:24.33 | RST38h | And they license as a group, if I understood thinks correctly |
| 18:24.39 | SpeedEvil | yeah - a small group I mean |
| 18:25.05 | lcuk | its even possible for larger groups too SpeedEvil - its all about the contribution guidelines and stance |
| 18:25.12 | SpeedEvil | Of course |
| 18:25.21 | SpeedEvil | as long as you can contact them all, and none die. |
| 18:26.15 | lcuk | no, its not necessary to recontact people if the contribution/license pre said "we will release this as gpl but also offer private licenses" |
| 18:26.32 | DocScrutinizer | booohoohoobwaahh, I want flash17.21!1!!!111!! |
| 18:26.43 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes, of course |
| 18:26.44 | lcuk | making a drastic change afterwards would incur what you said |
| 18:27.04 | lcuk | I believe that sort of condition is put on Qt contributions |
| 18:27.23 | RST38h | Given what FLash does to N900 overall performance, I do not understand why anyone would be so bent on using it |
| 18:27.29 | javispedro | that thread is _awesome_ |
| 18:27.39 | lcuk | RST38h, facebook videos stopped working I believe |
| 18:27.49 | SpeedEvil | RST38h: Because sometimes it's the only way to content. |
| 18:27.54 | lcuk | luke was moaning a few weeks ago, his only "computer" for a while was an n900 |
| 18:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | anxiously ponders to ask which thread |
| 18:28.04 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: the flash one |
| 18:28.10 | javispedro | I missed it entirely =) |
| 18:28.14 | DocScrutinizer | I thought as much |
| 18:28.20 | DocScrutinizer | me as well |
| 18:28.41 | RST38h | starts saying something about the necessity of Facebook, suddenly feels himself an old geezer |
| 18:29.16 | DocScrutinizer | probably should temporarily comment out that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line in my etc/hosts ;-P |
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| 18:32.52 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: no need to. you'll just miss on tmoers calling stskeeps THE EVIL because he won't pirate software for them ;P |
| 18:35.08 | RST38h | javispedro: BTW, have they finally ported gbpsp or not? =) |
| 18:35.32 | javispedro | RST38h: I saw the code, and it ran M Kart |
| 18:35.41 | javispedro | RST38h: no idea why he isn't releasing it |
| 18:36.04 | javispedro | possibly your average newcomer "first contact" with autobuilder or sth |
| 18:36.09 | RST38h | javispedro: Probably went deaf from all the squeaking on tmo |
| 18:36.17 | RST38h | Ah yes, that too :) |
| 18:36.47 | javispedro | also, it does not seem to be the "performance god" it was "meant to be" . |
| 18:37.47 | RST38h | javispedro: I am afraid there are no miracles |
| 18:38.02 | RST38h | javispedro: Or rather, most miracles are of the nasty kind, not the good one |
| 18:39.19 | javispedro | guess so. |
| 18:42.09 | javispedro | also, I guess someone might want to point Pandora guys over that TI blessed libflashplayer |
| 18:42.34 | BigWookie | Okay now my system starts to die after ~30 sec |
| 18:45.56 | javispedro | is flash actually accelerated on _any_ mobile platform at all? =) |
| 18:46.05 | javispedro | the ease by which the ipad guys ported android's libflashplayer.so to ipad ( http://github.com/comex/frash ) makes me thing it isn't. |
| 18:46.10 | javispedro | *think. |
| 18:46.53 | javispedro | not even GL calls. |
| 18:47.25 | javispedro | something video specific, but afaik more output related than having to do with codecs. |
| 18:47.33 | nox- | i think flash is still `optimized for windows', i.e they dont care much about performance on other platforms |
| 18:47.52 | javispedro | basically, a big lie. and everyone believing it! |
| 18:48.14 | javispedro | surprises for a few microseconds then wanders off |
| 18:49.08 | Corsac | javispedro: well, easy porting doesn't mean no accel at all, in any case there should be fallbacks |
| 18:50.11 | javispedro | "fallbacks" when android core libraries are missing? doubt it. |
| 18:51.54 | nox- | oh it wouldnt be _impossible_ tho, ive seen linux flash doing dlopen()s for things like libcurl too... |
| 18:53.00 | javispedro | notes to steal an android iphone sometime in the near future and run strings on its libflashplayer.so |
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| 18:56.03 | javispedro | "Woman Travels Four Hours with Gun to Kill Mean Internet Commenter" -- take cover, those who are now in TMO's "axis of evil" list. |
| 18:57.52 | lcuk | javispedro, 4 hours is lightweight, how far did the astronaut woman go in nappies? |
| 18:58.37 | javispedro | too many? :) |
| 19:00.05 | lcuk | javispedro, the internet says 1000 miles |
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| 19:03.45 | javispedro | hah, missed that. |
| 19:04.20 | RST38h | javispedro: google for nasa diaper murder |
| 19:04.39 | Corsac | javispedro: not sure flash uses any android core lib |
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| 19:10.55 | javispedro | quite interesting. |
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| 19:19.11 | RST38h | BTW, Desktop Switcher rules, absolutely rules |
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| 19:28.23 | BigWookie | is there a way preventing dsme from rebooting when i start hal xD? |
| 19:28.44 | timeless_mbp | :) |
| 19:28.54 | timeless_mbp | ti gave me a license key for flash10 :) |
| 19:29.33 | ZogG | MohammadAG51, hey |
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| 19:29.41 | RST38h | OMG |
| 19:29.41 | ZogG | just bought earphones =) |
| 19:29.47 | ZogG | 300 nis |
| 19:29.53 | RST38h | EHLO Zogg |
| 19:29.59 | ZogG | holla |
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| 19:30.22 | RST38h | How is suffering tonight? |
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| 19:31.44 | SpeedEvil | Why is TI giving out keys? |
| 19:32.24 | luke-jr_ | SpeedEvil: I think it's supposed to be for BeagleBoard :P |
| 19:32.31 | timeless_mbp | SpeedEvil: dunno |
| 19:32.33 | Stskeeps | nah, anything OMAP3 |
| 19:33.10 | Stskeeps | i wonder how many of the lemmings who might realize they can be asked to write a report on their evaluation of the software |
| 19:34.12 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Naah |
| 19:34.16 | lcuk | :( users on tmo aren't lemmings |
| 19:34.29 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Almost never happens (and yes, when it says "write a report" I always write a report) |
| 19:34.31 | timeless_mbp | Stskeeps: i don't think that will be much of a problem |
| 19:34.45 | lcuk | cos don't you post there regularly Stskeeps |
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| 19:36.10 | Stskeeps | lcuk: i'm a bear driving lemmings over the edge |
| 19:36.11 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:36.39 | lcuk | wasnt it someone on tmo that told you about the Ti webpage though? |
| 19:36.45 | Stskeeps | heh |
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| 19:38.29 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: your dad was either Dr psy, or a preacherman |
| 19:39.17 | lcuk | ? |
| 19:40.03 | DocScrutinizer | endless patience and benevolence |
| 19:40.14 | DocScrutinizer | where else you got that from? |
| 19:41.00 | lcuk | many years of practice. |
| 19:41.09 | DocScrutinizer | though sons of preachers are angry guys quite frequently |
| 19:41.15 | lcuk | if I was following my dad I would be skiing and hang gliding and stuff |
| 19:42.18 | timeless_mbp | grumbles |
| 19:42.27 | timeless_mbp | has to try to use nokia's travel tool |
| 19:42.30 | timeless_mbp | that's never good |
| 19:43.02 | DocScrutinizer | travel tool??? o.O |
| 19:43.15 | timeless_mbp | basically a PoS |
| 19:43.25 | timeless_mbp | designed to drive engineers crazy |
| 19:43.36 | DocScrutinizer | yuck |
| 19:44.12 | timeless_mbp | as long as that's its job, it does it well :) |
| 19:45.18 | DocScrutinizer | odds are not even the product implementation specs will tell you about ther *true* reasons and intentions |
| 19:45.25 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, is this the expense calculator? |
| 19:46.00 | MohammadAG51 | heh, my dad broke his E66's screen |
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| 19:46.22 | DocScrutinizer | advantage MohammadAG51 |
| 19:46.35 | DrHalan | hey, i am looking for a syncML gui for maemo. commandline would be okay too |
| 19:46.44 | DrHalan | can i just install syncevolution somehow? |
| 19:49.51 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, how come? |
| 19:50.03 | MohammadAG51 | I'm seriously thinking of getting an iPhone 4 for him |
| 19:50.40 | MohammadAG51 | easy to use UI, noob friendly etc |
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| 19:50.46 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: now he can't shout and go mad if ever you accidentally kill N900 :-D |
| 19:51.00 | MohammadAG51 | LOL |
| 19:54.55 | dsg | DrHalan: Yes, there is syncevolution in extras-testing (or maybe -devel, I'm not sure). I'm using it against horde. |
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| 19:58.40 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: it does that job badly too |
| 19:58.47 | timeless_mbp | but no, it also does bookings |
| 19:58.56 | timeless_mbp | and tries very hard to get a bad rate on a poor selection |
| 20:01.22 | DocScrutinizer | hey, it probably pays back double or triple on taxes Nokia doesn't have to pay. You have to appreciate that, no? :-P |
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| 20:06.23 | DocScrutinizer | you know, McDon in Germany, when you buy a burger, 50% of the times they ask you "here or to take away?", the other 50% they give you a paper back for that single burger and don't ask.You never get the rationale until you understand they pay 7% VAT for takeaway food but 19% for in-house serving |
| 20:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | s/paper back/paper bag/ |
| 20:08.01 | Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: thats insane |
| 20:08.39 | Stskeeps | but good to know next time i'm travelling through germany |
| 20:08.40 | pupnik | wow |
| 20:08.50 | pupnik | wonder if they'll gimme 10% off for takeaway |
| 20:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: nah, they won't, they give you 8 paperbags and 50 napkin if you ask |
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| 20:10.10 | MohammadAG51 | last time i was in germany i had to pay for a plastic bag in a supermarket |
| 20:10.13 | MohammadAG51 | i was like wtf |
| 20:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | the cashiers are 'hardcoded', no way for credit |
| 20:10.42 | Stskeeps | MohammadAG51: normal in .dk too |
| 20:11.02 | MohammadAG51 | not normal in .il |
| 20:11.07 | pupnik | you're supposed to shop with your own bags |
| 20:11.11 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: you however can chose from Germany-the-state or McDo to get 12% of that money you have to pay |
| 20:11.38 | MohammadAG51 | pupnik, i don't have any damn bags, worse part is they stuffed 6 2L bottles in one bag |
| 20:12.01 | pupnik | they stuffed? where do they bag for you in germany? what store? |
| 20:12.02 | MohammadAG51 | then 4 minutes later while i was walking to the hotel, it ripped open from the bottom |
| 20:12.18 | MohammadAG51 | idk |
| 20:12.21 | pupnik | ok |
| 20:12.23 | MohammadAG51 | bad sulzangen or sth |
| 20:12.29 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:12.46 | DocScrutinizer | salzufflen? |
| 20:12.47 | MohammadAG51 | how the f is that even spelled? |
| 20:12.55 | MohammadAG51 | nope, no Fs in it |
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| 20:13.44 | lolloo | salzuhlen |
| 20:13.45 | DocScrutinizer | some dump I never heard of :-) |
| 20:13.56 | MohammadAG51 | Bad Salzungen |
| 20:14.01 | lcuk | timeless_mbp, travel logistics is an extremely specialist piece of software, a skilled cabbie is still more likely to get you to destination than gps alone ;) |
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| 20:14.11 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, that |
| 20:14.12 | DocScrutinizer | quit epossible they pack your bags there XP |
| 20:14.45 | MohammadAG51 | though i loved how green that town was |
| 20:14.58 | MohammadAG51 | it's in thuringia |
| 20:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | except for the "town" part that all sounds congruent |
| 20:15.59 | DocScrutinizer | err concludent |
| 20:16.01 | MohammadAG51 | you don't see a lot of green here in IL |
| 20:16.42 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: a was man pays for a cabbie |
| 20:16.48 | timeless_mbp | a fool rents a limo |
| 20:17.23 | timeless_mbp | lcuk: basically, i prefer groups smart enough to just allow people to use Expedia or whatever |
| 20:18.05 | lcuk | a was man? transgender? |
| 20:18.17 | MohammadAG51 | a wise man lol |
| 20:18.19 | timeless_mbp | s/was/wise/ :( |
| 20:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 20:18.33 | lcuk | giggles |
| 20:18.53 | MohammadAG51 | slaps lcuk with a noobmonk... naw, he's not here |
| 20:19.00 | MohammadAG51 | uses frals instead |
| 20:19.08 | b-man` | watches |
| 20:19.19 | lcuk | will probably get slapped by frals soon anyway |
| 20:19.45 | pupnik | hehe |
| 20:19.47 | pupnik | why?> |
| 20:20.06 | MohammadAG51 | hacked fMMS to make video calls? |
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| 20:20.50 | lcuk | heh no |
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| 20:21.11 | MohammadAG51 | ate his trout? |
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| 20:21.18 | lcuk | but I would like to see the boundaries of MMS, frals indicated when he was writing it he was sending higher resolution photos than normal mms |
| 20:21.18 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:21.25 | pupnik | wow |
| 20:21.56 | lcuk | i read his observation as n900 -> n900 mms may technically be Super MMS :P |
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| 20:22.16 | MohammadAG51 | lcuk, a large image failed to get sent here |
| 20:22.32 | MohammadAG51 | i think my operator checks size |
| 20:22.37 | lcuk | obviously it only works for cool people |
| 20:23.14 | MohammadAG51 | my operator's meh |
| 20:23.19 | MohammadAG51 | i miss jordan's 3G |
| 20:23.34 | MohammadAG51 | i used to get 7.2MBps with that |
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| 20:23.37 | MohammadAG51 | 1 here |
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| 20:25.28 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-22.log.html#t2010-09-22T13:41:03 |
| 20:27.19 | BigWookie | If anyone is interrested in this http://pastebin.com/iaUedk5N - hald log ( especially line 5 ) |
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| 20:29.44 | juozapas | is already exist some kind adapter to connect n900 to the internet via utp cable jack? |
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| 20:30.05 | pupnik | what is a utp cable jack? |
| 20:30.21 | nox- | rj45? |
| 20:30.32 | juozapas | yep |
| 20:30.38 | juozapas | aka yes |
| 20:30.57 | pupnik | i used a device called a wlan router juozapas |
| 20:31.24 | nox- | well if usb hostmode would work properly i guess you could use an usb nic but without that pupnik is right i guess |
| 20:31.50 | juozapas | pupnik: :) me too, just itresting |
| 20:32.25 | nox- | (well or you could use usb notworking via a pc doing routing i guess...) |
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| 20:32.31 | pupnik | or tether via .. http://myn900.wordpress.com/2010/08/21/tethering-on-the-n900-part-1/ |
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| 20:37.10 | ProfOak_ | What are your thoughts on MeeGo? |
| 20:37.36 | SpeedEvil | KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEL IIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIITTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT! |
| 20:37.40 | SpeedEvil | Or meh. |
| 20:37.43 | SpeedEvil | Probably meh. |
| 20:38.05 | ProfOak_ | I agree |
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| 20:38.20 | ProfOak_ | I was kinda hoping maemo would go further than it did |
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| 20:38.58 | juozapas | yeah thats sad |
| 20:39.15 | SpeedEvil | While in principle, I can appreciate the idea of a wider based platform to do more devices, functional bits of platforms getting thrown out for no end-user benefit obsoleting devs learning is of questionable utility. |
| 20:40.34 | ProfOak_ | I was actually thinking about buying an N900 because I liked everything about it, but I'm still questioning meego |
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| 20:41.26 | juozapas | and today meego works all right on n900? i know that it isnt officialy supported |
| 20:41.58 | ProfOak_ | I just liked how it was linux, for real |
| 20:42.07 | ProfOak_ | I wasn't even going to use it as a phone |
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| 20:43.10 | juozapas | so you using it just for web surfing, chating, ssh'ing...? |
| 20:43.12 | lcuk | ProfOak_, make your decisions based on needs today |
| 20:43.14 | SpeedEvil | Today meego is not functional as a user platform on n900 as I understnad it. |
| 20:43.30 | SpeedEvil | Indeed. |
| 20:44.00 | SpeedEvil | Base your purchasing decision on what would happen if tomorrow a massive supervolcano took out finland, and wiped nokia off the map. |
| 20:44.12 | juozapas | :D |
| 20:44.20 | ProfOak_ | Oh man, I never thought of that! |
| 20:44.43 | ProfOak_ | What if an asteroid hit all satellites and rendered cellphones useless |
| 20:44.58 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, well I suppose if that did happen we would be in more shit. no more moomins stuff |
| 20:45.04 | ProfOak_ | is thinkin outside the box |
| 20:45.29 | SpeedEvil | While there is /b/ there will always be #34 of moomins. |
| 20:45.34 | lcuk | ProfOak_, cellphones dont rely on satellite usually ;) |
| 20:45.56 | ProfOak_ | is thinkin too outside the box |
| 20:46.09 | SpeedEvil | They do for GPS. |
| 20:46.12 | DocScrutinizer | today MAEMO is working 'OK' on N900 - odds are it will for another couple of months, amybe years |
| 20:47.42 | lcuk | wonders how to fix stylus hole |
| 20:48.53 | DocScrutinizer | IRIDIUM, Suraya |
| 20:49.01 | DocScrutinizer | INMARSAT |
| 20:49.28 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Dremel |
| 20:49.31 | DocScrutinizer | wants a N900 with a IRIDIUM&Suraya piggyback |
| 20:49.42 | ProfOak_ | wT |
| 20:49.44 | ProfOak_ | wat |
| 20:49.49 | DocScrutinizer | NOOOOO - please no Dremel |
| 20:49.59 | ProfOak_ | is confused |
| 20:50.02 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, can I fit it into the hole? |
| 20:50.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you'll have to send it in, or disassemble by yourself |
| 20:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | ProfOak_: you brought up the topic of sat dependent mobile phones |
| 20:50.57 | lcuk | yeah I realise that, i will see what I can do this week |
| 20:51.20 | ProfOak_ | Yeah but I'm a noobasaurus |
| 20:51.22 | ProfOak_ | rex |
| 20:51.56 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: Of course. |
| 20:52.07 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: you can fit a dremel bit into any hole. |
| 20:52.13 | SpeedEvil | Of course, it may end up larger than it was. |
| 20:52.45 | lcuk | ok SpeedEvil the stylus has a lip near the sharp end |
| 20:52.54 | lcuk | a groove all round |
| 20:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:53.23 | lcuk | if I insert it into the hole, when that lip is flush with the side edge its catching the outcrop :'( |
| 20:53.28 | lcuk | ie, not very far inside |
| 20:53.28 | DocScrutinizer | and a plastic spring lever at bottom of the stylus hole of N900 |
| 20:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | this spring at start of hole is largely useless, just creating some friction when sliding the stylus in/out |
| 20:54.35 | GAN900 | They're holding the city Octoberfest in front of the halfway houses and missions. |
| 20:54.37 | GAN900 | Fools. |
| 20:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | seems yours got messed and bent/broken |
| 20:54.40 | lcuk | its likely said spring thats sticking out |
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| 20:56.03 | ProfOak_ | Can you code in Python on maemo? |
| 20:56.18 | secyrita1 | yep |
| 20:56.22 | lcuk | happily |
| 20:56.26 | ProfOak_ | That's pretty BA |
| 20:56.36 | secyrita1 | i think python is included natively |
| 20:56.36 | ProfOak_ | What other langs? |
| 20:56.38 | lcuk | badass? |
| 20:56.44 | ProfOak_ | Yeah, haha |
| 20:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: you probably could discard that borked spring with little adverse side efects, but you need to disassemble the case to get a hold on it |
| 20:57.02 | secyrita1 | C c++ ruby php |
| 20:57.13 | ProfOak_ | bash, or perl? |
| 20:57.18 | lcuk | ProfOak_, theres pretty much anything required |
| 20:57.25 | lcuk | though I have not seen pascal compiler on maemo yet |
| 20:57.36 | secyrita1 | bash, for perl you need to download ext packages |
| 20:57.39 | lcuk | might just be because I havent looked |
| 20:57.43 | DocScrutinizer | WHAAAAAT? No pascal?? *SOB* |
| 20:57.50 | Bash | reallys hates his nick sometimes XD |
| 20:57.54 | lcuk | giggles |
| 20:58.02 | secyrita1 | bash: :D |
| 20:58.04 | ProfOak_ | hah |
| 20:58.05 | nox- | haha |
| 20:58.34 | lcuk | bsh_nohighlight, have you added bash as a keyword trigger though? |
| 20:58.44 | bsh_nohighlight | yea |
| 20:58.53 | bsh_nohighlight | cba to change it lol |
| 20:59.02 | bsh_nohighlight | people call me bash irl more than my name |
| 20:59.12 | lcuk | "oi, ill bash you" |
| 20:59.22 | bsh_nohighlight | my names hard to pronouce for some |
| 20:59.24 | bsh_nohighlight | Mobashir |
| 20:59.30 | DocScrutinizer | hah |
| 20:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | Mo was unexpected |
| 20:59.45 | DocScrutinizer | thought Bashir |
| 20:59.56 | bsh_nohighlight | lol |
| 21:00.17 | bsh_nohighlight | brb guys |
| 21:00.27 | bsh_nohighlight | restarting the router |
| 21:00.32 | DocScrutinizer | tztz |
| 21:00.54 | DocScrutinizer | reroutes the starter |
| 21:00.58 | lcuk | ProfOak_, I believe you can also write in assembler direct |
| 21:01.12 | ProfOak_ | That's pretty amazing |
| 21:01.30 | lcuk | and people like MohammadAG51 just input binary using the accelerometer to indicate 1/0 |
| 21:01.49 | DocScrutinizer | ProfOak_: it's linux (though luke-jr_ will argue against that :-P) |
| 21:03.17 | *** join/#maemo Bash (~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 21:03.23 | Bash | back :) |
| 21:03.28 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:03.45 | DocScrutinizer | your starter has correct route now? |
| 21:03.50 | Bash | router synced itself to 10.mbps |
| 21:03.53 | Bash | lol |
| 21:04.40 | DocScrutinizer | umm. DSL? |
| 21:04.45 | Bash | yea |
| 21:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:05.14 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes, when your neighbour shouts to the phone, this might happen |
| 21:05.33 | nox- | haha |
| 21:05.40 | Bash | haha |
| 21:05.44 | nox- | not to be ruled out i guess... :) |
| 21:06.05 | Bash | i would love cable but then they have a crappy FUP |
| 21:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | actually you shouldn't disable DSL carrier, as neighbour wires in cable to exchange might get a huger bandwidth for their DSL, increasing the noise in your line |
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| 21:08.58 | Bash | 16mbps is good for me anyways :) |
| 21:09.02 | Bash | for the price im paying anyway |
| 21:09.05 | ProfOak_ | Can you get the n900 working on verizon? |
| 21:09.11 | DocScrutinizer | so ideally you start DSL calibration (aka connecting) at 5AM, while same time doing a phonecall to increase noise in your own line |
| 21:10.52 | DocScrutinizer | you got no crosstalk from neighbour wires, and the noise from own phonecall will make the modems increase output level to get proper S/N headroom |
| 21:12.56 | DocScrutinizer | odds are you get max bandwidth this way, and also keep it when 7AM neighbour switches on his DSL-router |
| 21:13.28 | DocScrutinizer | (he will get 50% of what he's used to then, though XP ) |
| 21:13.44 | Bash | sets his alarm for 5AM |
| 21:14.04 | jacekowski | how many people switch off their routers? |
| 21:14.11 | DocScrutinizer | a lot |
| 21:14.12 | jacekowski | i keep mine 24/7 |
| 21:14.17 | DocScrutinizer | me too |
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| 21:14.23 | Bash | same here lol |
| 21:14.36 | jacekowski | so far statistics have proven you're wrong |
| 21:15.23 | DocScrutinizer | the majority that actually does switch off routers never will show up here ;-D |
| 21:15.51 | jacekowski | well, it's like god does exist or not |
| 21:16.02 | jacekowski | but here we have evidence that nobody switches off their router |
| 21:16.17 | jacekowski | you claim that there are somewhere people that do switch off their router |
| 21:16.48 | Bash | jacekowski: i know a few people that turn off their router |
| 21:16.52 | DocScrutinizer | yes, I learnt the hard way when I used a neighbour unknown's WLAN X-D |
| 21:16.52 | jacekowski | that could be nice thing to research |
| 21:17.17 | Bash | how many linux users here? |
| 21:17.26 | DocScrutinizer | 100% |
| 21:17.47 | Bash | i think i can give all you guys something to flame about |
| 21:17.48 | jacekowski | some people here have an iphone |
| 21:17.50 | Bash | regarding me anyways |
| 21:17.56 | DocScrutinizer | there's no winmoob7 for N900 :-) |
| 21:18.27 | Bash | i bought an N900 because mohammadAG told me to XD |
| 21:18.31 | Bash | love it as well |
| 21:18.39 | Bash | you guys are going to hate me for this though |
| 21:18.39 | Bash | http://i.imgur.com/rbrJc.jpg |
| 21:18.40 | DocScrutinizer | thinks there might be 2 or 3 users that don't have *any* NIT |
| 21:18.51 | DocScrutinizer | and no Linux machine on desktop |
| 21:18.58 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: tell him to jump trough the hoops |
| 21:19.04 | jacekowski | MohammadAG51: and run naked on the streets |
| 21:19.28 | jacekowski | Bash: no iPood? |
| 21:19.29 | Bash | jacekowski: if he says it |
| 21:19.36 | Bash | jacekowski: i have too many lol |
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| 21:20.05 | DocScrutinizer | meh, who cares |
| 21:20.12 | Bash | im a linux noob tbh |
| 21:20.16 | jacekowski | we're not fanboys |
| 21:20.23 | DocScrutinizer | there's a lot of them everywhere |
| 21:20.24 | jacekowski | throws a rock |
| 21:20.32 | Bash | stops diggings his grave |
| 21:20.40 | Bash | digging* |
| 21:21.35 | DocScrutinizer | they (linux noobs) come in two flavours though: the ones willing to learn, and the bitching ones. Beware of the latter |
| 21:21.43 | SpeedEvil | passes bash :(){ :|:& };: |
| 21:22.00 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: and there are ones that learn and bitch |
| 21:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: rare species |
| 21:22.38 | Bash | I like linux but i never have really gotten into using it as a main OS |
| 21:22.39 | jacekowski | which criterium i don't meet? |
| 21:22.46 | DocScrutinizer | some learn to stop bitching though :-D |
| 21:22.47 | Bash | pc gamer u see ;) |
| 21:22.54 | jacekowski | Bash: i did it for couple years |
| 21:22.56 | ProfOak_ | I use linux |
| 21:23.01 | jacekowski | Bash: and then i moved to windows |
| 21:23.01 | ProfOak_ | fwiw |
| 21:24.19 | DrHalan | hrmpf i don't get syncevolution to work although it has the same settings as on my desktop.. |
| 21:24.34 | DrHalan | are there known bugs with the package in extras-devel? |
| 21:25.34 | Bash | goes back to building his house in minecraft lol |
| 21:29.20 | mariorz | i remember there was some tutorial on modifying the menu/menu bar of os2008. cant find it any more |
| 21:30.09 | BCMM | i'd bet anything that Bash is going to get ghosted eventually |
| 21:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | -NickServ- Last addr : ~bash@archlinux/developer/bash |
| 21:31.30 | *** join/#maemo mmlj4 (~jkelly@ip70-171-94-246.no.no.cox.net) |
| 21:31.31 | DocScrutinizer | -NickServ- Registered : Mar 11 23:58:44 2008 |
| 21:31.59 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: and that doesn't sound like a Windows user's mask :) |
| 21:32.03 | mmlj4 | are N900 devices obtainable in USA? |
| 21:32.12 | jacekowski | mmlj4: yes |
| 21:32.25 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: yep ;-D |
| 21:32.38 | mmlj4 | where? nokia's site doesn't say |
| 21:32.42 | DocScrutinizer | Bash: your nick is registered for another user |
| 21:32.49 | *** part/#maemo DrHalan (~DrHalan@91-66-212-209-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 21:32.57 | Bash1 | ;) |
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| 21:33.11 | jacekowski | 23:53 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- Information on jacekowski (account jacekowski): |
| 21:33.16 | jacekowski | 23:53 -NickServ(NickServ@services.)- User reg. : Mar 10 21:59:24 2006 (4 years, 30 weeks, 2 days, 23:54:07 ago) |
| 21:33.20 | BCMM | mmlj4: lots of places... http://www.google.com/products?q=n900 |
| 21:33.22 | DocScrutinizer | Bash1: /msg nickserv help register |
| 21:33.29 | mmlj4 | and what's this nonsense about "mail for exchange" for contacts syncing? |
| 21:34.00 | BCMM | it doesn't sound like a windows user's nick either, for that matter |
| 21:34.21 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: ?? |
| 21:34.21 | jacekowski | BCMM: not if you are non linux person |
| 21:34.29 | SpeedEvil | Maybe a robot wars fan. |
| 21:34.30 | jacekowski | i'm just showing off |
| 21:34.42 | BCMM | clearly, he should be called COMMAND.COM |
| 21:34.43 | jacekowski | that i've been here for over 4 years |
| 21:34.50 | Bash1 | Bash1 has now been verified. |
| 21:35.03 | jacekowski | my uptime is now gone since that 64bit bug in linux |
| 21:35.12 | jacekowski | so uptime is not worth showing |
| 21:35.13 | DocScrutinizer | Bash1: welcome :-) |
| 21:35.22 | Bash1 | :) |
| 21:35.26 | Bash1 | ty |
| 21:35.35 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 21:35.41 | SpeedEvil | I thought I'd been registered longer. |
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| 21:36.17 | BCMM | jacekowski: i've got 5 years, 26 weeks, 1 day, 04:43:35 ago. much to my surprise |
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| 21:36.52 | SpeedEvil | (10:35:23 PM) NickServ: (notice) Registered : Jun 27 19:57:19 2005 (5 years, 15 weeks, 0 days, 01:38:03 ago) |
| 21:37.02 | BCMM | well, this discussion is making me feel less bad about my high slashdot UID |
| 21:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | OMG |
| 21:37.40 | *** join/#maemo qhubekela (~qhubekela@41.211.32.82) |
| 21:37.42 | BCMM | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 21:38.08 | DocScrutinizer | boys on the restroom |
| 21:38.13 | BCMM | haha |
| 21:38.17 | Bash1 | LOL |
| 21:38.20 | nox- | haha |
| 21:38.26 | BCMM | or internet; what's the difference? |
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| 21:42.55 | mmlj4 | if I buy an N900, will I be able to get a plan from say T-mobile and use it as a real phone? Will I retain root access? Will I be happy with this, or should I look for a real phone? |
| 21:43.09 | mmlj4 | note, I've had a 770 for 4 years now |
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| 21:44.35 | SpeedEvil | mmlj4: where are you? |
| 21:44.42 | mmlj4 | new orleans |
| 21:44.44 | jacekowski | mmlj4: yeah, it's not lockable by provider |
| 21:45.05 | SpeedEvil | It is in principle. |
| 21:45.11 | SpeedEvil | But no providcer has bothered. |
| 21:45.15 | mmlj4 | I take it they're blazingly fast, compared to my 770? |
| 21:45.35 | SpeedEvil | At running the same version of software, probably. |
| 21:45.37 | jacekowski | SpeedEvil: they would have to get nokia to lock it for them |
| 21:45.53 | SpeedEvil | jacekowski: Which nokia said they were happy to do at one point |
| 21:46.26 | jacekowski | i really need to find some decent m-shield docs |
| 21:46.33 | jacekowski | because i have nice way of attacking bootloader |
| 21:46.42 | BCMM | does any network anywhere ship n900s with custom software? |
| 21:46.44 | jacekowski | but it's not working because of m-shield |
| 21:46.55 | ShadowJK | N900 in india have no skype |
| 21:46.56 | BCMM | i mean, i know you could always flash a normal image |
| 21:47.10 | jacekowski | BCMM: not if they lock bootloader |
| 21:47.17 | BCMM | jacekowski: that is possible? |
| 21:47.25 | jacekowski | not with current one |
| 21:47.32 | jacekowski | but in principle on current hardware yes |
| 21:47.48 | ShadowJK | tmobile isn't selling N900 though |
| 21:47.52 | jacekowski | it is |
| 21:47.59 | jacekowski | i have t-mobile n900 |
| 21:47.59 | mmlj4 | I guess I need to go talk to a t-mobile thief^Wsalesman |
| 21:48.09 | jacekowski | in the UK |
| 21:48.14 | mmlj4 | jacekowski: oh? are you happy wiith it? |
| 21:48.17 | BCMM | jacekowski: did you get it through t-mob? |
| 21:48.20 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:48.25 | BCMM | jacekowski: i have same, but i got it through nokia retail |
| 21:48.28 | jacekowski | £25/mo + 99 for phone |
| 21:48.40 | jacekowski | and well, i'm happy with that they give me on paper |
| 21:48.43 | jacekowski | not what i really get |
| 21:48.48 | BCMM | last time i looked, t-mobile didn't know about the n900 and it wasn't an option on their website and so on, even though i have one on contract from them |
| 21:48.55 | jacekowski | coverage is bad in most places i am |
| 21:49.01 | mmlj4 | their website hasn't it listed |
| 21:49.06 | jacekowski | these are not easy areas but o2 managed to get decent 2g |
| 21:49.11 | jacekowski | t-mobile has no signal at all |
| 21:49.20 | BCMM | jacekowski: hope the merger helps you :) |
| 21:49.23 | mmlj4 | (see? I can use british syntax too!) |
| 21:49.30 | jacekowski | BCMM: well, it's not from t-mobile directly |
| 21:49.41 | jacekowski | it's from carphone warehouse |
| 21:49.54 | jacekowski | but contract is with t-mobile |
| 21:50.12 | BCMM | yeah, they don't sell it directly, or indeed seem to know it exists |
| 21:50.24 | jacekowski | and on nokia retail site |
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| 21:50.34 | mmlj4 | but the phone is usable? and it's still a 770-like device, maemo + the garage, etc.? |
| 21:50.39 | jacekowski | you can buy it with t-mobile contract |
| 21:50.46 | jacekowski | mmlj4: you can make phone calls on it |
| 21:50.51 | BCMM | mmlj4: the phone app is fine, yeah |
| 21:51.11 | jacekowski | mmlj4: it has some issues |
| 21:51.12 | mmlj4 | "calls" = SIP? or real cellphone usage? |
| 21:51.19 | BCMM | mmlj4: both :) |
| 21:51.20 | jacekowski | mmlj4: but in principle hardware is there |
| 21:51.32 | mmlj4 | what kind of issues, please? |
| 21:51.35 | BCMM | mmlj4: it does GSM calls, skype, SIP, and something else i think, out of hte box |
| 21:51.48 | SpeedEvil | BCMM: SMS |
| 21:52.01 | BCMM | SpeedEvil: never heard of SMS calls :) |
| 21:52.02 | mmlj4 | gizmo or whatever? never mind, I won't use that |
| 21:52.13 | BCMM | mmlj4: and imho, the GSM calls sound pretty good, best i've used for sound quality |
| 21:52.16 | jacekowski | mmlj4: when somebody calls you with locked screen phone does some weird moves to to go from horizontal to vertical and back |
| 21:52.27 | jacekowski | mmlj4: until it finaly decides and then you can answer the call |
| 21:52.32 | mmlj4 | heh |
| 21:52.41 | jacekowski | bugs.maemo.org |
| 21:52.51 | jacekowski | list of all problems |
| 21:52.54 | ShadowJK | can't remember a phone where call quality was an issue |
| 21:52.55 | jacekowski | known |
| 21:53.05 | ShadowJK | or rather, I don't ever reemmber hearing any differences in call quality :P |
| 21:53.17 | mmlj4 | what of updating the OS? have they figured that out yet? |
| 21:53.24 | jacekowski | no |
| 21:53.26 | BCMM | yeah, t-mobile thinks i use an n80 for some reason - i don't know why they care really |
| 21:53.27 | jacekowski | it's abandoned |
| 21:53.28 | mmlj4 | figures |
| 21:53.44 | jacekowski | they will probably release pr1.3 and then unsupported meego |
| 21:53.50 | mmlj4 | hrm, abandoned |
| 21:53.53 | jacekowski | and that's all that there will ever be there |
| 21:53.59 | mmlj4 | I don't know if I like meego |
| 21:54.01 | jacekowski | unless n9 will get delayed |
| 21:54.05 | BCMM | if there is another potential release, it isn't exactly abandonned yet... |
| 21:54.21 | jacekowski | but maemo will be abandoned after n900 |
| 21:55.13 | jacekowski | unless you are in hurry |
| 21:55.15 | jacekowski | wait for n9 |
| 21:55.19 | mmlj4 | not really a problem, if patches are available (but this was always a problem with the various releases for the 770... 2006, 2007 hacker, etc.) |
| 21:55.24 | jacekowski | it'll be there in less than a year |
| 21:55.35 | mmlj4 | but the n9 will have meego? |
| 21:55.39 | jacekowski | yes |
| 21:55.44 | mmlj4 | I don't think I want that |
| 21:56.08 | mmlj4 | the interface reminds me of computers for children |
| 21:56.28 | mmlj4 | geek I am, child I am not |
| 21:56.37 | jacekowski | seriously? |
| 21:56.41 | mmlj4 | yes |
| 21:56.42 | jacekowski | do you know that you can change it |
| 21:56.48 | mmlj4 | didn't know |
| 21:56.52 | jacekowski | it's linux based |
| 21:56.58 | mmlj4 | yes |
| 21:56.59 | jacekowski | so most of stuff probably can be changed |
| 21:57.05 | jacekowski | only question how hard it will be |
| 21:57.46 | BigWookie | OMFG |
| 21:57.54 | BigWookie | i "solved" the problem |
| 21:58.21 | BigWookie | by removing /usr/share/hal/fdi/policy/10osvendor/10-omap-gpio.fdi and /usr/lib/hal/hald-addon-omap-gpio |
| 22:00.28 | qhubekela | BigWookie: please tell me what your problem was.. |
| 22:01.07 | BigWookie | i cant believe that |
| 22:01.30 | BigWookie | my problem was the Maemo Emulator with Madde had no graphical output |
| 22:01.34 | *** join/#maemo yofel_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/yofel) |
| 22:01.44 | nox- | nice :) |
| 22:01.57 | nox- | thats the n900 qemu right? |
| 22:02.11 | BigWookie | which was caused by hald not starting up, which was caused by dbus crashing when hald tried to initialize gpio |
| 22:02.15 | BigWookie | yep |
| 22:02.18 | qhubekela | BigWookie: thanks. happy for you :) |
| 22:02.42 | BigWookie | it took me full 20 hours but it was woth it |
| 22:02.59 | BigWookie | But the great question is not solved ... |
| 22:03.08 | BigWookie | WHY THE FUCK IS IT WORKING ON ANY OTHER COMPUTER |
| 22:03.31 | nox- | other computer == other box running the same qemu? |
| 22:04.00 | BigWookie | i tried 4 of my computers with different os'ses and different versions of madde env even compiled qemu-arm myself |
| 22:04.24 | BigWookie | tried every image i could find , and both madde versions, the standalone and the one of the nokia qt sdk |
| 22:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: if you liked the 770..N810 then you'll love the N900 |
| 22:05.17 | BigWookie | a friend of mine had a working emulator, we copied it completely everything in the env was similiar and it wouldn't boot |
| 22:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | gconf? |
| 22:05.32 | SpeedEvil | My first 'wow' moment was when my hard disk on my laptop got a bit dodgy, and I realised I could just rsync / over |
| 22:05.35 | SpeedEvil | to my phone. |
| 22:05.45 | BigWookie | I don't get how it was remotley possible it ran on any other computer |
| 22:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: gconf? |
| 22:06.10 | BigWookie | DocScrutinizer: ? |
| 22:06.20 | nox- | BigWookie, different version of the qemu sources? |
| 22:06.23 | BigWookie | I don't have gnome |
| 22:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | lol, I wish I could say this for my N900 too |
| 22:06.53 | BigWookie | nox-: i had qemu compiled by myself the one of the qt sdk kit and the one of the madde kit |
| 22:06.57 | DocScrutinizer | hates g* |
| 22:07.05 | BigWookie | Ratpoison~ |
| 22:07.09 | BigWookie | *! |
| 22:07.13 | DocScrutinizer | still for maemo you'll need it |
| 22:07.32 | BigWookie | i doubt that ^^ |
| 22:07.47 | DocScrutinizer | oh? |
| 22:08.28 | DocScrutinizer | so how will all the tweaks starting like "gconftool2 * bla blub..." work on N900 then? |
| 22:08.51 | BigWookie | DocScrutinizer: i was speaking about the host, not Maemo itself |
| 22:09.00 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | still I got it you were trying to run maemo on host? |
| 22:09.32 | DocScrutinizer | in qemu or sth |
| 22:09.57 | BigWookie | qemu-arm |
| 22:10.13 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
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| 22:11.21 | BigWookie | i know i don't have a cause for all that, but where should I report the bug? |
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| 22:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | I have no f'ing clue if gconf settings will get easily copied from one machine to another |
| 22:12.08 | nox- | so it happened on one box with the same qemu source that worked on another box? |
| 22:13.00 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, its an emulated n900, and my guess there's something up with the way the gpio is emulated (or not) |
| 22:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | the *hal* part of your hotfix and bug description seems to point to hw diffs between the machines |
| 22:13.19 | BigWookie | nox-: i ported the whole madde envirovement |
| 22:13.23 | luke-jr_ | [17:04:49] <DocScrutinizer> mmlj4: if you liked the 770..N810 then you'll love the N900 |
| 22:13.33 | mmlj4 | you concur, then? |
| 22:13.35 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: how do you figure? N900 is significantly inferior to N810 in many major ways? |
| 22:13.43 | luke-jr_ | last ? should be . |
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| 22:14.06 | luke-jr_ | (at the same time, N900 is significantly superior to it as well in other ways) |
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| 22:14.28 | luke-jr_ | mmlj4: I think it depends on what you want to do with it |
| 22:14.35 | BigWookie | DocScrutinizer: possible but confusing, i had a amd desktop with ati graphics, a intel atom with intel graphics and a atom desktop with nvidia ion, all running versions of ubuntu, AND a virtual Windows 7 |
| 22:15.30 | DocScrutinizer | has the box which doesn't work some special network card or sth? |
| 22:15.54 | DocScrutinizer | like... "FDI" maybe :-) |
| 22:15.54 | nox- | or maybe its some kind of race that only shows up on a faster/slower box? |
| 22:15.55 | mmlj4 | I want a phone and a 770-style device in one unit, and I want it much faster than the 770, and I want to be able to get root, install apps and do geeky sysadmin tricks with it |
| 22:16.14 | mmlj4 | fit the bill? |
| 22:16.22 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | definitely |
| 22:16.30 | mmlj4 | then I want. |
| 22:16.33 | luke-jr_ | I'm sure N900 beats 770 out in every way |
| 22:16.50 | luke-jr_ | N900 has however been a great disappointment to many who simply want a phone |
| 22:17.06 | BigWookie | DocScrutinizer: it didn't run on all of that boxes |
| 22:17.09 | luke-jr_ | if 770 with a simple phone proof-of-concept app fits the bill, then N900 should exceed it |
| 22:17.24 | mmlj4 | why are they disappointed? because they have trouble listening to Britney tunes on it? |
| 22:17.26 | BigWookie | the box that ran it had a intel graphics and a atom like my netbook |
| 22:17.28 | luke-jr_ | (assuming you can get compatible phone service) |
| 22:17.34 | BigWookie | i also tried starting qemu without the networks |
| 22:17.50 | luke-jr_ | mmlj4: because N900 doesn't support many advanced phone features (MMS, whatever newfangled nonsense otherwise), and can be laggy |
| 22:18.04 | luke-jr_ | and doesn't function like a phone is usually expected to |
| 22:18.20 | DocScrutinizer | BigWookie: the calling UI is very limited in its functionality compared to even basic feature phones. Like no profiles, no per contact ringtones, etc pp |
| 22:18.20 | mmlj4 | laggy? GUI-laggy, or voice latency? |
| 22:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | err |
| 22:18.36 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: ^^ |
| 22:18.38 | BigWookie | ^^ |
| 22:18.39 | luke-jr_ | mmlj4: GUI laggy, including delaying your ability to answer calls quickly in some cases |
| 22:18.49 | mmlj4 | hr |
| 22:18.52 | mmlj4 | hrm |
| 22:19.02 | luke-jr_ | mmlj4: but that is strictly software issue |
| 22:19.11 | mmlj4 | I'm assuming setting up swap space is still an option? |
| 22:19.19 | luke-jr_ | in theory, disabling rotation *should* fix it, but it's broken in PR1.2 |
| 22:19.34 | luke-jr_ | mmlj4: N900 ships with 768 MB swap enabled and for all practical uses required |
| 22:19.40 | nox- | BigWookie, so slower host was ok and faster needed your workaround? |
| 22:19.41 | luke-jr_ | Mameo is a memory hog :/ |
| 22:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: though most of those limitations are fixed by community driven tweaks now |
| 22:20.07 | luke-jr_ | (note that on the other hand, KDE 4.3 *barely* was able to run in N810's 128 MB RAM) |
| 22:20.17 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: there's a tweak to disable the rotate bs? |
| 22:20.47 | DocScrutinizer | err, I gather tweaking transitions will cure that issue, yes |
| 22:20.53 | luke-jr_ | ? |
| 22:22.49 | mmlj4 | "ships with" means I can increase it from the shell, if needed... cool |
| 22:23.40 | mmlj4 | still 128MB RAM? don't these fools know what .5 or 1 gig RAM would do? |
| 22:23.46 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: yep. see e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
| 22:23.56 | mmlj4 | Joerg? the perl guy? |
| 22:23.58 | ShadowJK | N900 has 256M ram |
| 22:24.11 | DocScrutinizer | nope, I'm no perl guy |
| 22:24.22 | mmlj4 | that's you? |
| 22:24.23 | mmlj4 | ok |
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| 22:24.33 | DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer |
| 22:24.33 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
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| 22:24.37 | mmlj4 | oh, it was juerg |
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| 22:25.56 | mmlj4 | "c&p"? |
| 22:26.05 | mmlj4 | copy.paste? |
| 22:26.17 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: though you honestly don't want more swap. It's getting dog slow when using 256MB of swap, and almost unusable when you come near 700MB |
| 22:26.17 | BigWookie | nox-: the speed didn't matter |
| 22:26.33 | mmlj4 | :-/ |
| 22:26.51 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, actually, the bigger the swap, the longer it takes before swap fragmentation manifests itself |
| 22:26.56 | nox- | BigWookie, well what was the difference then? all same qemu sources? |
| 22:26.58 | ShadowJK | even if you only ever use 100M |
| 22:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's true |
| 22:27.06 | BigWookie | nox-: as said, yes |
| 22:27.19 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I suspect this is why it was chosen to be as big as it is |
| 22:27.26 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 22:27.39 | BigWookie | nox-: i can't find a rational explanation for this |
| 22:27.52 | nox- | BigWookie, well if it was some kind of timing/race issue it _could_ be host dependent... |
| 22:27.56 | mmlj4 | I may just have to get me an N900 then |
| 22:28.10 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: go for it |
| 22:28.15 | mmlj4 | if I can justify spending $400 on a phone |
| 22:28.21 | BigWookie | nox-: the Xserver waits for hal , and hal will never come up |
| 22:28.22 | ShadowJK | My N900 is away for repair, and I'm just about resisting the urge to go buy another one to keep me covered. |
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| 22:28.33 | nox- | BigWookie, anyway i guess you could report it to whoever maintains this n900 qemu branch... |
| 22:28.40 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: see ShadowJK ^^^ |
| 22:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 22:28.45 | mmlj4 | heh |
| 22:28.59 | ShadowJK | also I'm stuck with a Nokia E75 :-) |
| 22:29.04 | mmlj4 | so finally a phone for linux hard-cores? cool |
| 22:29.20 | DocScrutinizer | mmlj4: you'll want to keep good care about your USB receptacle |
| 22:29.36 | mmlj4 | it's fragile? |
| 22:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:29.42 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 22:30.34 | ShadowJK | There will be "teeth" on the USB charger plug. You'll want to go rent a few boring movies, spend a sunday infront of the movies while pressing down on those teeth with your nails |
| 22:30.44 | ShadowJK | to reduce the force by which the grip on to the usb receptable |
| 22:30.50 | ShadowJK | by which they* |
| 22:31.17 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:31.21 | mmlj4 | light filing would fix it? |
| 22:31.28 | DocScrutinizer | deprecated |
| 22:32.00 | ShadowJK | When new, my N900's USB receptable when I plugged it into the DC-10 car charger sat so firmly I could have wrapped the charger cable around a large, filled coke bottle and lifted the bottle with the usb port |
| 22:32.23 | mmlj4 | is it standard USB? |
| 22:32.28 | ShadowJK | it's that tight, and has resulted in the usb receptable coming out of hte N900 instead of the usb plug, well, unplugging |
| 22:32.29 | DocScrutinizer | no, you can't :-P It'll come out |
| 22:32.33 | ShadowJK | MicroUSB |
| 22:32.41 | mmlj4 | yeah, that's what I meant |
| 22:33.03 | ds3 | uUSB |
| 22:33.21 | ShadowJK | USB is a bit confusing. Mini USB is deprecated and now nonstandard. MicroUSB is standard |
| 22:33.31 | ShadowJK | but nobody has seen MicroUSB before ;) |
| 22:33.33 | ShadowJK | or almost |
| 22:33.42 | jacekowski | usb charger plug sucks |
| 22:33.51 | jacekowski | it's not reliable |
| 22:33.51 | DocScrutinizer | mine is fine |
| 22:33.58 | mmlj4 | well, thanks |
| 22:33.59 | ds3 | I want a dedicated charger port back |
| 22:34.05 | mmlj4 | I have thinking and justifying to do |
| 22:34.05 | ShadowJK | me too :) |
| 22:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:34.09 | jacekowski | i can connect normal usb charger + usb cable + phone |
| 22:34.09 | ds3 | the code that manages teh charging is AFU |
| 22:34.16 | jacekowski | and it will charge at 1A+ reliably |
| 22:34.19 | BigWookie | .... but even though its working now... its painfully slow and won't use more then one core ^^ |
| 22:34.22 | ShadowJK | uses his own code to manage charging :-) |
| 22:34.28 | jacekowski | i can wiggle it and do stuff and nothing will happen |
| 22:34.40 | ds3 | ShadowJK: does your code realize power is shutoff? |
| 22:34.41 | jacekowski | while with nokia usb charger wiggling it makes it do strange things |
| 22:34.52 | jacekowski | and it only charges when cable is pushed towards the front |
| 22:34.53 | ShadowJK | ds3, what do you mean? |
| 22:35.28 | DocScrutinizer | jacekowski: you have a broken charger jack |
| 22:35.34 | ds3 | ShadowJK: plug charge into wall; plug uUSB into n900...it starts charging; unplug charger from wall... n900 will happy drain your battery w/o realizing I unplugged it from the wall |
| 22:35.37 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, my original charger works fine regardless of wiggling |
| 22:35.45 | jacekowski | mine doesn't |
| 22:35.46 | SpeedEvil | Mine too |
| 22:35.46 | DocScrutinizer | mine too |
| 22:35.48 | SpeedEvil | Well |
| 22:35.54 | SpeedEvil | Apart from the one I got wet. |
| 22:35.56 | jacekowski | my experience is that it sucks |
| 22:36.03 | SpeedEvil | and the end kinda went blue. |
| 22:36.16 | jacekowski | have you taken any LSD |
| 22:36.32 | ShadowJK | ds3, well mine doesn't really have a UI :-) |
| 22:36.36 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: unusual |
| 22:36.48 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I've actually seen this phenomenon too with the car charger :-) |
| 22:36.56 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: it is quite common of a problem if I am using it in a vehicle with a switched outlet |
| 22:37.17 | ds3 | so now I got to remember to unplug it when I stop and to remember to plug in only AFTER I start the engine |
| 22:37.26 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, I think it's twl4030 detecting low voltages and low currents as vbus valid, and bme indicating charging |
| 22:37.58 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, I've noticed it takes minutes to discharge the buffer C of charger and notice the VBUS actually doesn't provide any more voltage |
| 22:38.47 | ds3 | btw, has host mode moved forward in the last two months or so? |
| 22:38.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 22:39.29 | ShadowJK | ds3, my script ignores vbus, the charger chip stops trying to draw power once the available current drops below some relatively high threshold, at which point my scipt tries to tell USB to power down. Even if the charger hw would retry, it would give up pretty fast afterwards I think, so my code would generally not realize your unpowered wall adapter is still connected |
| 22:39.30 | DocScrutinizer | we published the state of June in a nice packet :-P |
| 22:39.59 | ds3 | state of June? |
| 22:40.14 | lcuk | whats best long term backup medium? |
| 22:40.21 | ds3 | ShadowJK: hmmm and will it automatically figure out if power is available? |
| 22:40.31 | lcuk | for consumer - ~500gb atm |
| 22:40.42 | ShadowJK | but what the rest of the system would do in response to oscillating vbus I don't know. The USB would maybe get reactivated, which would cause a current draw of 80mA or so, which on its own would make the battery drain in a day |
| 22:40.48 | ds3 | ShadowJK: i.e. the flip side, plug in B cable w/o anyting on the other end... then plug it into a charging source |
| 22:40.59 | ShadowJK | Yeah that should be fine |
| 22:41.03 | ShadowJK | maybe |
| 22:41.12 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 22:41.24 | ds3 | ShadowJK: is your code available in a repo? |
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| 22:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
| 22:41.39 | ShadowJK | no it's not really user friendly :-) |
| 22:42.13 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: HDD |
| 22:42.13 | ds3 | ShadowJK: that isn't really a problem...just don't want to deal with the overhead (figuring out where to stash things, etc) |
| 22:42.31 | ShadowJK | hm? |
| 22:43.02 | ds3 | there are 2 basic parts to gettign something running on the N900 - getting files in the right places and actually doing it |
| 22:43.24 | ds3 | I can figure out the electronics/raw values/etc...the other part is just plain nuisance that I will happily leave it up to the package manager |
| 22:44.20 | ShadowJK | oh one issue I don't handle is when bq24150 gets upset and decides to reset to default settings. The defaults never charge the battery fully :) |
| 22:44.34 | ds3 | that could get annoying |
| 22:45.13 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: what about finally fixing those few little 'bugs' and pushing it to jrbme? |
| 22:45.43 | laasonen | http://pastebin.org/81279 Why doesn't gtk.TreeView.set_search_column do anything? |
| 22:46.34 | ShadowJK | When I get my N900 back I can merge some stuff from "charge 3", the "negative resistance" one, into charge 2 the "sane" one that should help me make it saner.. |
| 22:46.52 | ds3 | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 22:47.44 | ShadowJK | my charge3 script exceeds bq27200.sh in line count and bytecount :D |
| 22:50.15 | mmlj4 | my thinkoutside bluetooth keyboard will work with an N900? |
| 22:50.56 | mmlj4 | (that's kind of the whole point.. I need a real keyboard for real sysadmin tasks while logged into servers) |
| 22:51.28 | BCMM | mmlj4: how much typing do you need to do for sysadmin tasks? for quick stuff, the builtin keyboard is quite capable |
| 22:51.37 | psycho_oreos | I've heard most bluetooth keyboards are supported |
| 22:52.33 | mmlj4 | and tethering to laptops with DUN? |
| 22:53.05 | psycho_oreos | you can tether in multiple ways |
| 22:53.09 | ShadowJK | DUN works fine |
| 22:53.29 | ShadowJK | I usually use USB cable though, and pick "PC Suite" mode when N900 asks. |
| 22:53.37 | psycho_oreos | ditto |
| 22:53.52 | ShadowJK | It then appears as a serial port, and can be treated the same way as a bluetooth dun serial port |
| 22:53.58 | mmlj4 | heh, I'd prefer to able to put an IP manually onto to the bluetooth adapter, and run NAT |
| 22:54.38 | ShadowJK | bluetooth keyboards don't work out of hte box, i vaguely remember seeing solutions on the forums though |
| 22:55.02 | ShadowJK | Bluetooth DUN server support is a simple install from Maemo.org repository |
| 22:55.04 | mmlj4 | ShadowJK: I had to run something off the garage for my 770 |
| 22:55.26 | VladNistor | i have a nokia bluetooth keyboard i got a while back and it works |
| 22:56.56 | DocScrutinizer | I heard all BUT nokia bt kbds are supported :-P |
| 22:57.16 | nox- | haha really? |
| 22:58.14 | psycho_oreos | well that's a bit of irony, much like the bluetooth headset which works on and off with bh-905 |
| 22:58.16 | nox- | now finds the internal kbd at least `usable' after fixing the return key bug |
| 22:58.19 | DocScrutinizer | might be obsolete info though |
| 22:58.24 | DocScrutinizer | or incorrect |
| 22:58.35 | DocScrutinizer | yo! |
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| 22:58.59 | DocScrutinizer | return key bug was a PITA |
| 22:59.08 | nox- | indeed |
| 23:00.07 | nox- | and had i found that ticket earlier i wouldnt have to mess with the terminfo/termcap :) |
| 23:00.19 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools to the rescue :-D |
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| 23:00.55 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: many thanks for pointing me to that ticket |
| 23:01.13 | nox- | heh np :) |
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| 23:33.50 | psycho_oreos | nm |
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