| 00:03.52 | *** join/#maemo coffeecat (~Robert@ool-45716852.dyn.optonline.net) |
| 00:07.27 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 00:11.42 | *** join/#maemo bmidgley (~bmidgley@c-76-27-89-77.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 00:16.02 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (~aloisio@187.113.77.152) |
| 00:16.56 | nox- | now knows why lirc couldnt send... the `irman' in the filename should have been a clue :/ |
| 00:27.19 | *** join/#maemo muellisoft (~muelli@port-2092.pppoe.wtnet.de) |
| 00:37.04 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@62.219.120.20) |
| 00:37.04 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 00:39.12 | *** join/#maemo otep (~quassel@AP-203.167.31.157.sysads.com) |
| 00:42.16 | *** join/#maemo mitsutaka (~mitsutaka@122.212.45.242) |
| 00:43.00 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 00:45.49 | *** join/#maemo MadViking (~user@88.193.150.143) |
| 00:58.11 | *** join/#maemo mitsutaka (~mitsutaka@122.212.45.242) |
| 01:08.24 | *** join/#maemo jpinx-eeepc (~johnp@ppp-124-122-122-12.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 01:10.08 | *** join/#maemo noodles900 (~jpinx@ppp-124-122-122-12.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 01:10.21 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (~aloisio@187.113.77.152) |
| 01:15.13 | *** join/#maemo xim_ (~barrett@68-191-217-67.dhcp.dntn.tx.charter.com) |
| 01:18.47 | *** join/#maemo SmilybOrg (Smily@BSN-176-184-134.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 01:22.11 | *** join/#maemo SmilyOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 01:39.44 | *** join/#maemo slackmagic (1000@unaffiliated/slackmagic) |
| 01:45.10 | *** join/#maemo pinheiro (~pinheiro@bl15-4-87.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 01:45.15 | *** join/#maemo mtnbkr (~mtnbkr@75-150-91-17-NewEngland.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 01:45.28 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 01:56.04 | *** join/#maemo flo_lap (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 01:56.43 | *** join/#maemo paulr (~user@82.132.139.97) |
| 01:59.53 | paulr | \join #maemo |
| 02:06.07 | *** join/#maemo Dregs (~Dregs@adsl-99-102-202-191.dsl.milwwi.sbcglobal.net) |
| 02:06.32 | *** join/#maemo Dregs (~Dregs@unaffiliated/dregz) |
| 02:06.35 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@a88-115-7-31.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 02:06.35 | *** join/#maemo pcfe (~pcfe@redhat/pcfe) |
| 02:17.42 | *** join/#maemo trupheenix (~trupheeni@14.96.174.207) |
| 02:30.32 | *** join/#maemo Xisdibik (~Xisdibik@c-67-164-41-249.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 02:44.07 | *** join/#maemo gopi (~gopi@c-71-198-177-143.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 03:02.28 | *** join/#maemo cehteh (~ct@pipapo.org) |
| 03:05.14 | *** join/#maemo cyborg-one (1000@188.115.152.174) |
| 03:11.54 | *** join/#maemo abbera_ (~trupheeni@nat/nokia/x-ikwyqjtozcazgogi) |
| 03:16.07 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 03:16.38 | *** join/#maemo jpinx-ee1pc (~johnp@ppp-124-122-120-56.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 03:16.41 | *** join/#maemo jpinx (~jpinx@ppp-124-122-120-56.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 03:34.19 | *** join/#maemo Optx (~do@mnhm-5f753794.pool.mediaWays.net) |
| 03:34.40 | *** join/#maemo woodong50_______ (~moodapo@1.103.37.129) |
| 03:37.59 | *** join/#maemo fiferboy (~quassel@2001:470:b0ea:1:4687:fcff:fe72:d20a) |
| 03:38.00 | *** join/#maemo fiferboy (~quassel@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy) |
| 03:38.15 | *** join/#maemo MrPPS (~MrPPS@canyouget.in) |
| 03:38.22 | MrPPS | hey, two quick questions |
| 03:38.31 | MrPPS | 1, how do you turn off the camera sound in a nokia n900 |
| 03:38.36 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@trine1-1-pt.tunnel.tserv5.lon1.ipv6.he.net) |
| 03:38.38 | MrPPS | 2, what's the default device lock code |
| 03:38.47 | MrPPS | i've tried 000, 0000, 1111, 1234, 0 |
| 03:39.01 | *** join/#maemo MacDrunk (~marper@201.164.175.123) |
| 03:41.46 | pupnik_ | hey, can we get acoustic modem connections going over mic/speaker? |
| 03:42.25 | pupnik_ | bell 103, bell 202 ? or something made for acoustic applications? |
| 03:43.11 | pupnik_ | MrPPS: camera sound is stored as a .wav file that you can discover on the filesystem |
| 03:45.18 | MrPPS | pupnik_: thanks :) |
| 03:46.05 | *** join/#maemo woodong50_______ (~moodapo@1.103.37.129) |
| 03:50.51 | *** join/#maemo radic (~radic@dslb-094-216-255-144.pools.arcor-ip.net) |
| 03:54.20 | *** join/#maemo psycho_oreos (~no@115.131.5.188) |
| 03:58.05 | DocScrutinizer | MrPPS: camera is silent on profile "silent" afaik. also you can check if >>IroN900:~# play-sound /usr/share/sounds/camera_snd_title_1.wav<< is the audio file you might want to replace by a 0 byte one. Lock code is 12345 afaik |
| 04:04.51 | *** join/#maemo fredrin (~fredrik@cm-84.208.108.15.getinternet.no) |
| 04:15.23 | MrPPS | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the help :) |
| 04:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 04:18.29 | *** join/#maemo SmilybOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 04:19.50 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: via speaker&mic I'm sure this won't work. Via headset connector there should be no particular problem in running a softmodem |
| 04:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: http://bellard.org/linmodem.html |
| 04:28.00 | *** join/#maemo SmilyOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 04:29.57 | CreamyG | does fcamera save pictures somewhere weird by default? |
| 04:30.22 | *** join/#maemo alextreme (~alex@82-171-161-1.ip.telfort.nl) |
| 04:34.08 | *** join/#maemo DocScrutinizer2 (~halley@200.194.116.85.dsl.manitu.net) |
| 04:34.11 | *** join/#maemo DocScrutinizer2 (~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg) |
| 04:34.14 | *** join/#maemo doc|home (~doc@S01060026f319ba77.vc.shawcable.net) |
| 04:34.14 | *** join/#maemo doc|home (~doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 04:36.28 | *** join/#maemo SmilybOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 04:47.33 | Macer | anybody want a 2.2GHz 2GB 160GB MB for $300? |
| 04:47.44 | Macer | macbook |
| 04:47.55 | doc|home | stolen! |
| 04:48.06 | doc|home | Macer: link? |
| 04:48.20 | Macer | no.. mine lol |
| 04:48.36 | doc|home | really? why? |
| 04:48.51 | Macer | i dont really have a link for it.. i want to get a smaller netbook |
| 04:49.03 | doc|home | where are you? :) |
| 04:49.11 | Macer | it is in good shape |
| 04:49.18 | Macer | and has snow leopard on it |
| 04:49.25 | Macer | chicago |
| 04:49.49 | doc|home | too awkward. I'm in canuckistan |
| 04:49.55 | doc|home | would be tempted otherwise |
| 04:50.22 | Macer | lmao. well. i can ship it... i supose i can ebay it too |
| 04:50.35 | Macer | but figure i would ask here first |
| 04:50.39 | doc|home | it's a white one, right? |
| 04:50.48 | Macer | no |
| 04:50.50 | *** join/#maemo luke-jr_ (~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d) |
| 04:50.51 | Macer | black one |
| 04:51.02 | doc|home | hmmm |
| 04:51.11 | doc|home | no, must resist. thanks though :) |
| 04:51.32 | Macer | lol. ok ;) well.. im sure i can find someone to buy it here |
| 04:52.08 | Macer | maybe i will just go to uic an find a studebt to buy it.. it really is in good condition |
| 04:52.15 | Macer | student |
| 04:52.47 | Macer | i just started to try to sell it today tho so meh. people suck up apple products pretty quick :) |
| 04:52.59 | doc|home | yeah |
| 04:54.46 | *** join/#maemo mardi (~mardi@41.94.2.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 04:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | Macer: isn't it a bit late for USA and a bit early in the morning for Europe? |
| 04:57.55 | Macer | it is midnight in chicago |
| 04:58.20 | Macer | if you considert that late then yes ;) im a night owl |
| 05:02.53 | DocScrutinizer | me too, so time for bed for me - dawn outside |
| 05:04.50 | *** join/#maemo t_s_o (~tso@116.84-48-228.nextgentel.com) |
| 05:06.03 | *** join/#maemo loft306 (~Thumper@tuxhacker/loft306) |
| 05:09.43 | RST38h | <yawn> |
| 05:09.53 | RST38h | Sooooooo.... PR1.3 today? =) |
| 05:10.07 | luke-jr_ | hides PR1.3 from RST38h |
| 05:11.53 | *** join/#maemo Cy8aer (~Cy8aer@62.157.192.144) |
| 05:13.03 | *** join/#maemo raster (raster@enlightenment2.osuosl.org) |
| 05:13.03 | *** join/#maemo raster (raster@enlightenment/developer/raster) |
| 05:18.17 | *** join/#maemo FireFly (~firefly@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 05:18.22 | *** join/#maemo Thierry (~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-lllrnwvqlcdlrhwm) |
| 05:20.06 | *** join/#maemo slonopotamus (~slonopota@83.149.8.78) |
| 05:20.13 | *** join/#maemo Thierry_ (~chatzilla@nat/trolltech/x-thvddcwiyjsqjamx) |
| 05:21.46 | *** join/#maemo fab (~bellet@bellet.info) |
| 05:22.43 | *** join/#maemo mikki-kun (~mikki-kun@guest-docking-nat-1-011.ethz.ch) |
| 05:28.19 | *** join/#maemo trupheenix (~trupheeni@nat/nokia/x-auswirhsldhttvzc) |
| 05:30.46 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~neopwn@65.101.151.78) |
| 05:30.46 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 05:31.01 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 05:32.12 | *** join/#maemo KMFDM (~tKMFDM@ip5658167f.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 05:34.18 | *** join/#maemo vanadis (~vanadis@cust.static.84-253-9-113.cybernet.ch) |
| 05:35.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | RST38h: heh, why did it take so long until you update to 1.3? was therema blocker keeping you from it for 6 weeks? :-P |
| 05:37.52 | *** join/#maemo guardian (~guardian@i07v-62-34-48-83.d4.club-internet.fr) |
| 05:40.25 | *** join/#maemo Openfree` (~Openfreer@116.228.88.131) |
| 05:40.47 | *** join/#maemo jonne|reconnecte (~jonne@91.182.58.254) |
| 05:42.15 | *** join/#maemo hd (~jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) |
| 05:42.52 | *** join/#maemo mikki-kun (~mikki-kun@guest-docking-nat-1-011.ethz.ch) |
| 05:50.23 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 05:52.30 | *** join/#maemo larsivi (~quassel@114.28.213.193.static.cust.telenor.com) |
| 05:53.19 | *** join/#maemo larsivi (~quassel@114.28.213.193.static.cust.telenor.com) |
| 05:55.56 | *** join/#maemo doc|home (~doc@gentoo/contributor/doc-007) |
| 05:58.15 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 05:59.41 | *** join/#maemo dvoid_ (~dvoid@h230n4-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 06:01.19 | *** join/#maemo sheepbat (~lev3k@c-98-238-227-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:04.41 | *** join/#maemo ppenz (~ppenz@cm189-78.liwest.at) |
| 06:06.31 | *** join/#maemo tekojo (~quassel@host-177.nrln.net) |
| 06:06.32 | *** join/#maemo tekojo (~quassel@Maemo/maemo.org/infrastructure/tekojo) |
| 06:08.45 | *** join/#maemo kerio (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 06:09.46 | *** join/#maemo calvaris (~calvaris@192.100.124.156) |
| 06:10.14 | *** join/#maemo hannesw (~hannes@80-121-94-206.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 06:12.40 | *** join/#maemo rmoravcik (~rmoravcik@gtsgw.ttc.cz) |
| 06:13.31 | *** join/#maemo hd (~jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) |
| 06:14.29 | *** join/#maemo avs (~avs@alpskari.asiantuntijat.org) |
| 06:16.16 | *** join/#maemo jd3 (~jd@modemcable126.34-203-24.mc.videotron.ca) |
| 06:20.06 | *** join/#maemo kerio92 (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 06:20.09 | *** join/#maemo Termana (~bradley@123-3-73-22.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 06:21.05 | *** join/#maemo mece (~mwikstro@mariehamn.abo.fi) |
| 06:21.18 | *** join/#maemo zs (~zs@188-223-195-142.zone14.bethere.co.uk) |
| 06:22.52 | mece | Perhaps a warning on tmo regarding backup-menu is in order? |
| 06:29.27 | *** join/#maemo kerio (kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 06:30.10 | *** join/#maemo TNZ (~quassel@cha92-4-82-224-227-41.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 06:31.10 | *** join/#maemo Wikier (~wikier@cm-staticIP-85-152-18-129.telecable.es) |
| 06:33.24 | *** join/#maemo hannesw (~hannes@80-121-94-206.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 06:39.22 | *** join/#maemo sheepbat (~lev3k@c-98-238-227-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 06:40.58 | *** join/#maemo merlin1991 (~x@194.48.133.8) |
| 06:41.12 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~neopwn@65.101.151.78) |
| 06:41.13 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 06:43.22 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (~geaaru@host170-152-static.43-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 06:44.53 | *** join/#maemo fab (~bellet@bellet.info) |
| 06:45.10 | *** join/#maemo femorandeira (~Felipe@192.100.124.156) |
| 06:50.19 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (~murrayc@ppp-93-104-163-213.dynamic.mnet-online.de) |
| 06:55.23 | *** join/#maemo gomiam (~magao@157.88.141.107) |
| 06:56.23 | *** join/#maemo harbaum (~quassel@2001:8d8:1fe:8:baac:6fff:fe2d:73a3) |
| 06:58.58 | *** join/#maemo rblank (~rblank@83.219.114.94) |
| 07:00.12 | *** join/#maemo choppa (~choppa@p5491F625.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:04.12 | *** join/#maemo zap (~zap@178.130.21.28) |
| 07:06.57 | *** join/#maemo jpe_ (~jpe@d5152E781.static.telenet.be) |
| 07:11.36 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~user@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 07:11.37 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 07:13.02 | *** join/#maemo guardian (~guardian@92.103.229.106) |
| 07:15.10 | *** join/#maemo RobbieThe1st (~robbiethe@174-31-88-4.spkn.qwest.net) |
| 07:15.43 | RobbieThe1st | Hi all |
| 07:17.10 | RobbieThe1st | Anyone know why the forum DB keeps going down? |
| 07:17.46 | Stskeeps | it's the riot caused after the flash 10.1 thing |
| 07:17.49 | Stskeeps | probably ;) |
| 07:18.44 | RobbieThe1st | I missed it; what, did they say it's never coming out? |
| 07:18.49 | Stskeeps | nah |
| 07:18.49 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 07:19.12 | *** join/#maemo rd (~rd@p57B490C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:19.26 | Stskeeps | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=833350#post833350 |
| 07:19.29 | Stskeeps | start from there and go on |
| 07:19.39 | *** join/#maemo cfreak200 (~cfreak200@p4FDB3471.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 07:22.25 | RobbieThe1st | Hm... Now where did I put that old TI login.... |
| 07:23.14 | mece | RobbieThe1st, hey, this has something to do with you I think: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-07.log.html#t2010-10-07T23:02:40 |
| 07:23.39 | RobbieThe1st | I saw it, in response to an email I got from one of Andrew |
| 07:23.53 | mece | RobbieThe1st, ok, nevermind then ;) |
| 07:24.52 | RobbieThe1st | Essentially, worst case, you have to flash to PR1.2 again. It happens on like 40% of N900s. Why? Probably bad blocks. I have a new version that should solve the problem, but no one has tested it for me yet. |
| 07:25.14 | Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: you're writing directly to NAND? |
| 07:25.20 | Stskeeps | not nandwrite or nanderase? |
| 07:25.44 | RobbieThe1st | dd if=/myfile of=/dev/mtd5 bs=4096 or something like that |
| 07:25.55 | Stskeeps | .. no no no |
| 07:26.01 | Stskeeps | you'll bust people's ability to flash |
| 07:26.09 | Stskeeps | you need to look into mtd-utils |
| 07:26.12 | RobbieThe1st | Its worked so far... |
| 07:26.24 | Stskeeps | since it's happening for people, it's not |
| 07:26.34 | RobbieThe1st | But, actually, I was thinking in terms of working file-level with tar etc. |
| 07:26.40 | Stskeeps | you're basically screwing up the eraseblock information |
| 07:26.54 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, sitrep? |
| 07:27.01 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: mm? |
| 07:27.03 | RobbieThe1st | Yea, I figured as much... is there a way to -read- an image going around those blocks also? |
| 07:27.10 | crashanddie | what did I miss? |
| 07:27.12 | *** join/#maemo eMHa (~mh@212.144.117.125) |
| 07:27.17 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: in context of? |
| 07:27.26 | RobbieThe1st | Because even writing my images via the Nokia flasher doesn't work for some people |
| 07:27.31 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, dead NAND |
| 07:27.50 | mece | crashanddie: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-07.log.html#t2010-10-07T23:02:40 |
| 07:27.53 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: backupmenu and even nokia care couldn't get someone's N900 back to life |
| 07:27.59 | Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: take a look at mtd-utils' nand* tools |
| 07:27.59 | RobbieThe1st | Whos? |
| 07:28.06 | crashanddie | mece, saw that, couldn't figure out the thread though |
| 07:28.11 | Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: is in logs from last night afaik |
| 07:28.25 | Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: we used those for initfs on n8x0 for ages, so they're safe |
| 07:29.22 | RobbieThe1st | I looked at the logs myself; couldn't see anything other than mohammadAG saying that someone complained about it "bricking". Which could mean needs to be flashed to factory default. |
| 07:29.33 | RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Got a manpage link or something? |
| 07:30.42 | RobbieThe1st | Y'know, I wish I'd known about some of this stuff earlier - its been like three months so far, and no one's suggested anything like mtdutils |
| 07:31.35 | Stskeeps | RobbieThe1st: take a look at the bootmenu code from n8x0 |
| 07:31.37 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 07:32.46 | Stskeeps | https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/bootmenu/install_bootmenu?revision=55&root=bootmenu&view=markup , search for flash_eraseall |
| 07:32.50 | RobbieThe1st | Stskeeps: Hm, just out of curiosity, where is the kernel stored? On a partition of the NAND, or on a seperate chip? |
| 07:32.50 | Stskeeps | and nandwrite |
| 07:32.54 | RobbieThe1st | (n900) |
| 07:32.54 | Stskeeps | partition of nand |
| 07:33.01 | *** join/#maemo activate_ (~activate@d594eeda.static.dsl.concepts.nl) |
| 07:33.09 | RobbieThe1st | http://www.linux-mtd.infradead.org/faq/nand.html <- How does that work then? |
| 07:33.18 | Stskeeps | there's a partition table in kernel |
| 07:33.38 | Stskeeps | and nolo takes care of eraseblocks etc |
| 07:36.39 | tybollt | Stskeeps: has there been more recent releases (yes, I've been hiding under a rock for the past few months) than the original meego one released? |
| 07:36.54 | Stskeeps | tybollt: didn't you see the recent video? |
| 07:36.54 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:37.21 | tybollt | Stskeeps: that was probably done by an insider w/ software not available to the public - yes? |
| 07:37.30 | Stskeeps | no |
| 07:37.43 | tybollt | fair enough - the video is in scrollback the last 24h? |
| 07:37.46 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded |
| 07:37.55 | tybollt | thank you, sir |
| 07:38.04 | Stskeeps | touchscreen response we're looking into still, something's really fucked |
| 07:38.51 | tybollt | but the SGX bits are basically all there? |
| 07:39.08 | Stskeeps | well, the SGX bits in this particular video is a bit unstable so they're not in the release track for 1.1 |
| 07:39.16 | Stskeeps | but they're bloody fast when they do work |
| 07:39.29 | tybollt | fair enough |
| 07:39.43 | *** join/#maemo jrocha (~JRocha@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) |
| 07:39.44 | tybollt | isat a flying rabbit? How very monty python'esque ;) |
| 07:40.51 | mece | Stskeeps, is the "updated graphics driver" included in the 20101005 image? |
| 07:40.55 | tybollt | I have to say - the little anim it does when rotating the screen is very pleasing to the eye :) |
| 07:41.08 | *** join/#maemo sergio__ (~sergio@155.99.117.91.static.mundo-r.com) |
| 07:41.25 | mece | tybollt, I think the delay before rotating is a bit too long for my taste. |
| 07:41.47 | tybollt | mece: that's why stskeeps is here, so you can tell him directly ;) |
| 07:42.07 | mece | I'll have to see for myself though. writing the image to card as we sepak. |
| 07:42.21 | tybollt | me? I'd have to have it ina hand of me to form an opinion on that |
| 07:42.27 | mece | s/sepak/speak *mumble* *grumble*/ |
| 07:42.50 | Stskeeps | mece: no, as i said, not on 1.1 release track :/ |
| 07:43.04 | mece | Stskeeps, ok then. |
| 07:43.32 | *** join/#maemo Blaatmeister (~blaatmeis@WLAN161-202.wireless.hhs.nl) |
| 07:43.42 | Stskeeps | mece: know enough to ssh in over usb? |
| 07:43.53 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 07:44.11 | mece | Stskeeps, dunno how to do it on this computer unfortunately (windows xp) |
| 07:45.08 | Stskeeps | mece: hmm :P |
| 07:45.25 | Stskeeps | mece: cos you need to push forth and back some pieces to upgrade |
| 07:46.09 | *** join/#maemo fnordianslip (~fnoridans@94-30-69-47.xdsl.murphx.net) |
| 07:46.38 | crashanddie | shoots a rocket at Oracle |
| 07:46.46 | crashanddie | ~lart Oracle |
| 07:46.46 | infobot | takes a large goose feather pillow and swings it wildly in Oracle's direction, hitting Oracle and sending Oracle flying into the closet |
| 07:46.56 | crashanddie | why the fuck would Oracle remove UML from Netbeans? |
| 07:46.59 | crashanddie | Bunch of tits |
| 07:47.03 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 07:47.15 | mece | Stskeeps, it's ok. I don't need to do it now. I guess we can expect 1.2 weekly's to appear after October 27th? Or before that? |
| 07:47.45 | *** join/#maemo amigadave (~amigadave@85.183.48.167) |
| 07:47.53 | Stskeeps | mece: they should appear on wednesday earliest, but our kernel guy is gone for this week so it'll take a little while to upgrade |
| 07:49.49 | mece | Stskeeps, sweet! |
| 07:52.17 | *** join/#maemo jonne (~jonne@91.182.58.254) |
| 07:52.35 | *** join/#maemo ZZzzZzzz1 (~ZZzzZzzz@APlessis-Bouchard-154-1-24-172.w86-212.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 07:57.45 | *** join/#maemo robink (~robink@unaffilated/robink) |
| 07:58.48 | *** join/#maemo tackat (~trahn@pd95c4acb.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 07:58.48 | *** join/#maemo smooph (~alschroe@141.2.231.191) |
| 08:00.21 | *** join/#maemo ayanes (~ayanes@nat/nokia/x-zuesxppbjaqmrwtm) |
| 08:00.21 | *** join/#maemo ayanes (~ayanes@unaffiliated/ayanes) |
| 08:01.36 | *** join/#maemo bergie (~bergie@nemein.suvilahti.nemein.net) |
| 08:01.43 | *** join/#maemo jd (~jd@unaffiliated/helldragon) |
| 08:03.49 | tybollt | crashie: ? Oracle done something recently? |
| 08:05.17 | *** join/#maemo Arkenoi (~ark@178.177.222.132) |
| 08:12.34 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 08:13.20 | MohammadAG51 | Morning Jaffa |
| 08:13.24 | *** join/#maemo florian_kc (~fuchs@port-217-146-132-69.static.qsc.de) |
| 08:13.24 | *** join/#maemo florian_kc (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 08:14.03 | Jaffa | tybollt: It's okay, Oracle are just destroying Sun's reputation; and surprising me cos I didn't think I thought that much of them. |
| 08:15.36 | ieatlint | haha, yeah, i was about to ask what reputation |
| 08:16.05 | ieatlint | the usability of solaris, the efficiency of java |
| 08:17.42 | *** join/#maemo mikki-kun (~mikki-kun@guest-docking-nat-1-047.ethz.ch) |
| 08:18.26 | *** join/#maemo Free_maN (~Free_maN@saint-ouen.agarik.com) |
| 08:18.26 | *** join/#maemo Free_maN (~Free_maN@unaffiliated/freeman) |
| 08:20.09 | *** join/#maemo mardi (~mardi@41.94.2.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 08:20.47 | *** join/#maemo TermanaN900 (~user@123-3-132-83.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 08:20.52 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 08:30.19 | ShadowJK | N900 dropped off at Nokia Care Point :-( |
| 08:30.31 | Stskeeps | usb? |
| 08:30.39 | ShadowJK | no, cellmo |
| 08:30.58 | ShadowJK | I think usb is going to last forever at this point |
| 08:31.15 | ShadowJK | well, or would, but fixing cellmo is probably going to be mainboard replacement and new usb port |
| 08:31.42 | MohammadAG51 | or a new simhole |
| 08:31.47 | MohammadAG51 | yes, i called it that |
| 08:32.01 | flux | my ear-speaker is somewhat flaky, but I suppose I want to fix it myself instead of waiting for eons to the phone back |
| 08:32.04 | ShadowJK | I say it'd probably last forever, because the force required to remove the plug is now 5% of original |
| 08:32.05 | flux | +get |
| 08:32.11 | flux | shadowjk, :) |
| 08:32.34 | ShadowJK | When it was new, I could have lifted a case of beer with that port before the connector unplugged |
| 08:32.50 | MohammadAG51 | lol |
| 08:33.04 | flux | I seriously suspect your usb-port has some issues nevertheles :) |
| 08:33.10 | ShadowJK | nah it's been fine :) |
| 08:33.22 | MohammadAG51 | mine's dyslexic |
| 08:33.29 | MohammadAG51 | it sends data backwards |
| 08:34.02 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (~geaaru@host170-152-static.43-88-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 08:34.08 | ShadowJK | So I went to Nokia Online Shop, it said find local care point, Nokia Care website told me about this place I didn't know existed, and the name implied it was in a totally different city than what the address on the website was |
| 08:34.20 | ShadowJK | and Ovi Maps had some "issues" in getting me there.. |
| 08:34.48 | ShadowJK | Anyway, I wander in to this place and they have dishwashers and iphones and what not, and I ask if this is the place for Nokia Service |
| 08:34.57 | ShadowJK | the guy says "yeah, down the stairs, first door on your left" |
| 08:35.20 | ShadowJK | I walk down the stairs, and the first door I see is the exit. My immediate reaction was that I just got told to piss off |
| 08:35.23 | FIQ|n900 | lol |
| 08:35.32 | FIQ|n900 | :p |
| 08:35.54 | ShadowJK | But there was a small door to the left, and in there sat a guy buried in pile of electronics crap, so I knew it was the right place :) |
| 08:36.04 | TermanaN900 | heh |
| 08:37.26 | TermanaN900 | I think you're confused, if you were told to piss off then you would know you found Nokia Care |
| 08:37.29 | TermanaN900 | kidding :p |
| 08:39.07 | *** join/#maemo MikeK (~chatzilla@93.164.179.114) |
| 08:39.49 | ShadowJK | true :) |
| 08:40.07 | ShadowJK | the guy mostly had piles of car stereos |
| 08:41.44 | mece | ooooo--I'm such a nerd. My hairs stood up when I read that title.. http://conference2010.meego.com/session/porting-ti-omap%E2%84%A2-4-platform |
| 08:43.04 | Stskeeps | mm? |
| 08:43.51 | ShadowJK | the unobtanium pandaboard |
| 08:44.13 | Stskeeps | someone in #meego-arm got one last night |
| 08:44.14 | Stskeeps | so not entirely |
| 08:44.15 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 08:44.33 | mece | Stskeeps, that's pretty sweet |
| 08:44.59 | mece | when was omap4 announced? |
| 08:45.06 | Stskeeps | fairly long ago? |
| 08:45.20 | ShadowJK | couple of years? |
| 08:45.39 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 08:45.45 | mece | what about the hardware? |
| 08:46.50 | *** join/#maemo frade (~ivan@nat/nokia/x-oivmpgvdwkvozvye) |
| 08:47.41 | ShadowJK | Stskeeps, any idea of pricing? |
| 08:48.18 | Stskeeps | unsure, i thought there was some presentation |
| 08:48.19 | Stskeeps | s |
| 08:48.40 | TermanaN900 | Free |
| 08:49.04 | MohammadAG51 | holds off on getting a beagleboard |
| 08:49.08 | TermanaN900 | If you sign up for their early program and get in |
| 08:49.46 | TermanaN900 | But i don't think the pandaboard is "for sale" per say yet |
| 08:50.29 | MohammadAG51 | what if my project fails? |
| 08:51.10 | ShadowJK | "We expect it to cost a little under $179 at distributors and will be publishing ordering information in the next couple of weeks. Stay tuned!" |
| 08:51.17 | ShadowJK | cool :) |
| 08:51.58 | TermanaN900 | MohammadAG51, then your project was a failure good sir |
| 08:51.59 | *** join/#maemo Venemo (~communi@dio.elte.hu) |
| 08:52.04 | MohammadAG51 | that's the same price as the OMAP3 beagleboard xM :o |
| 08:53.04 | ShadowJK | that's weird |
| 08:53.58 | Venemo | thp: congrats for your Hildon-Desktop mods, they're awesome |
| 08:54.52 | Venemo | thp: what I really would like to see in it though is a way to rearrange the windows in the task switcher |
| 08:54.56 | MohammadAG51 | didn't know thp was here lol |
| 08:56.04 | *** join/#maemo Openfree` (~Openfreer@116.228.88.131) |
| 09:00.28 | *** join/#maemo Erod (~Juno@unaffiliated/erod) |
| 09:06.33 | *** join/#maemo dvaske (~asolsson@nat/nokia/x-inavwghxscxtejxq) |
| 09:10.45 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 09:11.03 | *** join/#maemo trupheenix (~trupheeni@nat/nokia/x-svmfcmzmhchvgrua) |
| 09:12.12 | *** join/#maemo jacktheripper (~jacktheri@196.221.169.19) |
| 09:12.48 | *** join/#maemo arno0ob (~arno0ob@nor75-32-78-237-172-37.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 09:13.06 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:13.21 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:13.30 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:13.44 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:14.14 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:14.29 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:14.44 | *** join/#maemo angasule (~angasule@190.2.33.49) |
| 09:15.33 | *** join/#maemo ftrvxmtrx (~i515i@86.57.155.118) |
| 09:20.01 | *** join/#maemo cjdavis (~cjdavis@cpe-71-67-99-208.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 09:22.01 | jacktheripper | anyway to get an N900 out of a reboot loop without a reflash ? :S |
| 09:22.39 | jacktheripper | can I somehow mount rootfs on my PC and fix it ? |
| 09:23.49 | RobbieThe1st | Not unless you have BackupMenu installed. |
| 09:25.05 | jacktheripper | I don't remember if I had that installed |
| 09:25.11 | jacktheripper | what would I do if I did ? |
| 09:25.46 | dRbiG | MohammadAG51: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control - that's you work isn't it? |
| 09:26.18 | RobbieThe1st | well, open your keyboard and power it on |
| 09:26.52 | RobbieThe1st | If you see a menu, you will have some access. If not, you're - pardon the language - screwed |
| 09:27.34 | jpinx-eeepc | if yyou have ssh intalled it might let you login |
| 09:27.47 | jpinx-eeepc | I mean over the usb network |
| 09:27.53 | *** join/#maemo timeless_mbp (~timeless@192.100.124.156) |
| 09:27.56 | RobbieThe1st | Maby |
| 09:28.08 | RobbieThe1st | But, he says its in a reboot loop |
| 09:28.16 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - sounds bad |
| 09:28.18 | mece | Stskeeps, I actually find the rotation to be quite smooth even without accelerated drivers |
| 09:28.20 | Robot101 | jacktheripper: you can try using the flasher to put it into r&d mode - there was one weird flashing bug which would cause it to reboot during bootup unless you boot it once in r&d mode then turn it off again |
| 09:28.36 | Robot101 | jacktheripper: what did you do to achieve a reboot loop? :) |
| 09:29.16 | jacktheripper | I messed with microb-engine :/ |
| 09:29.23 | jacktheripper | the browser didn't work |
| 09:29.27 | jacktheripper | I rebooted |
| 09:29.48 | jacktheripper | and that happened. It also can be because of rootfs having 0B of space. |
| 09:30.08 | jacktheripper | I booted the device using a meego rescue disk, it gave me a recovery terminal and I have stuff in /dev |
| 09:30.12 | jacktheripper | what's the name of rootfs ? |
| 09:30.27 | *** join/#maemo ALoGeNo (~alogeno@unaffiliated/alogeno) |
| 09:31.00 | RobbieThe1st | /dev/mtd5 |
| 09:31.10 | jacktheripper | don't have that :S |
| 09:31.16 | RobbieThe1st | what do you have? |
| 09:31.36 | RobbieThe1st | /dev/ubi0 ? |
| 09:31.50 | jacktheripper | mmcblk0, mmcblk0p*, mmcblk1, mmcblk1p* |
| 09:32.04 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 09:32.19 | crashanddie | "Thousands of flushed condoms threaten to choke the Commonwealth Games village's drainage system, media reports said, in the latest problem to hit the venue from hidden snakes to outbreaks of dengue." |
| 09:32.46 | RobbieThe1st | Well, you can get your MyData and SD card |
| 09:32.57 | jacktheripper | *MyDocs |
| 09:33.02 | jacktheripper | I don't have an SD card |
| 09:33.18 | jacktheripper | and that's useless, I need microb-engine. Seems like I have to reflash :S |
| 09:33.27 | jacktheripper | and there's also no way to backup dpkg/info |
| 09:33.28 | jacktheripper | damn |
| 09:33.56 | RobbieThe1st | um |
| 09:34.01 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: +1 |
| 09:34.08 | RobbieThe1st | do you have anything with ubi in there? |
| 09:35.10 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: i wonder if athletics are really nothing more than an excuse to go around the world and fuck women in various countries.. |
| 09:35.33 | RobbieThe1st | Probably |
| 09:35.46 | jacktheripper | nope :S |
| 09:35.57 | *** join/#maemo Openfree` (~Openfreer@116.228.88.131) |
| 09:36.10 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, want to know the worst thing? |
| 09:36.30 | jacktheripper | RobbieThe1st, sorry, need to go :S c ya |
| 09:36.35 | RobbieThe1st | Bye |
| 09:36.37 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: always |
| 09:36.49 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, this is what the President of the Commonwealth games federation said: "If that is happening, it shows that there is use of condoms and I think that is a very positive story. Athletes are being responsible" |
| 09:36.57 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: oh dear |
| 09:37.42 | mece | Stskeeps, stupid question perhaps, but how do I connect to the 3g network? Appears it defaults to airplane(offline) mode. |
| 09:37.49 | mece | I have a sim without pin |
| 09:37.57 | crashanddie | Athletes are being responsible in using enough condoms to clog the sewage system? What kind of athletes/games are these? |
| 09:38.02 | Stskeeps | mece: hmm, what provider? Elisa? |
| 09:38.09 | mece | Stskeeps, sauna |
| 09:38.15 | mece | Stskeeps, uses elisa |
| 09:38.15 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: maybe it's in good old greek style |
| 09:38.19 | crashanddie | mece, you don't have the 3g network in your internet connection list? |
| 09:38.22 | Stskeeps | mece: interesting, second person with problem |
| 09:38.22 | RobbieThe1st | I do have one question for you guys: Do you know of any way - command line wise - to run a java application("java -jar .....") in "fullscreen" mode? It always seems to run with the top statusbar/etc visible. (Note: Using icedtea6 package) |
| 09:38.36 | mece | Stskeeps, could it be that sauna roams in elisas network? |
| 09:38.57 | Stskeeps | mece: we didn't find a good reason for it yet - did you connect to wifi before trying phone stuff? |
| 09:39.05 | ShadowJK | Saunalahti is a virtual operator, it uses elisa's network |
| 09:39.16 | mece | Stskeeps, no I didn't. |
| 09:39.18 | ShadowJK | It's also a fully owned subsidiary of Elisa |
| 09:39.46 | mece | Stskeeps, it did see a bunch of wifi's tho. |
| 09:39.53 | ShadowJK | All phones think they're roaming when using saunalahti |
| 09:40.06 | `0660 | crashanddie, i thought there were pictures of overflowing sewage in athlete apartments even before the athletes arrived. I wonder if the officials are just trying to save their face by blaming the athletes. |
| 09:40.44 | mece | crashanddie, it's meego. |
| 09:40.52 | mece | Stskeeps, wifi works, it seems. |
| 09:41.00 | Stskeeps | mece: it's a known bug .. search for sauna in bugs.meego.com |
| 09:41.07 | mece | ok thanks. |
| 09:43.02 | mece | getting zarro boogs. Did you find one? |
| 09:43.18 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 09:44.08 | Stskeeps | gahs and can't find it.. |
| 09:44.12 | mece | hehe |
| 09:44.13 | Stskeeps | searches mail |
| 09:44.21 | Stskeeps | http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=7893 |
| 09:44.22 | povbot` | Bug 7893: Alarm clock does not wake me up when battery has died. |
| 09:44.47 | crashanddie | "Bug: device doesn't function when there is no power" |
| 09:44.52 | *** join/#maemo Purti (c2881242@gateway/web/freenode/ip.194.136.18.66) |
| 09:45.15 | crashanddie | "Bug: Television doesn't work when I remove antenna cable." |
| 09:45.34 | ShadowJK | Actually, alarm clock woke me up once after battery had died. |
| 09:45.36 | ShadowJK | True story |
| 09:45.46 | crashanddie | On the N900/Maemo? Nearly all the time |
| 09:46.08 | ShadowJK | I was extremely surprised, because it had shutdown due to hw cutoff |
| 09:46.09 | crashanddie | You can have the N900 wake you nearly 10-20 times after the BME has shutdown the phone for low battery. |
| 09:46.25 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 09:47.15 | mece | Stskeeps, wontfix? wtf? |
| 09:49.23 | mece | Man I never find anything in the bug tracker |
| 09:49.35 | RobbieThe1st | Got a QT4/PyQT4 question - anyone know stuff about QT interfaces and the N900? |
| 09:50.19 | Stskeeps | mece: it hides a bug, i think |
| 09:53.04 | *** join/#maemo Termana (~user@123-3-77-78.static.dsl.dodo.com.au) |
| 09:54.01 | mece | Stskeeps, well I guess it's because quick search only searches open bugs and the only way to search all bugs is to painfully stake through the millions of options in advanced search. |
| 09:54.22 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 09:55.59 | *** join/#maemo zap (~zap@213.59.86.89) |
| 10:00.04 | *** join/#maemo smooph (~alschroe@sandworm.riedberg.ads.uni-frankfurt.de) |
| 10:05.17 | ShadowJK | why is that wontfix anyway.. |
| 10:10.05 | mece | aw crap. I give up. I have absolutely no idea how to find bugs, so I can assume that every bug I report is a duplicate. |
| 10:10.32 | Hoxzer | why would you like to study a bug that's already been fixed? |
| 10:10.48 | mece | ShadowJK, Hmm it looks like the person who it was assigned to thought that the one who reported the bug was just confused or something. |
| 10:11.00 | mece | I don't really get it. |
| 10:12.00 | thp | Venemo: wouldn't rearranging conflict with either scrolling or selecting? |
| 10:13.36 | Venemo | thp: maybe it would conflict with scrolling |
| 10:13.53 | Venemo | thp: but there must be some way :) |
| 10:13.57 | mece | Scelt hello? |
| 10:14.08 | ShadowJK | long tap to active move? |
| 10:14.10 | thp | Venemo: well, you know how it's implemented in the launcher |
| 10:14.23 | thp | but that's not very practical for the switcher |
| 10:15.08 | thp | i'd rather have some more intelligent auto-sorting (i.e. group all browser windows, group all IM/SMS, ...) |
| 10:15.27 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 10:15.31 | ShadowJK | But I always have vmstat in first window, battery status in seocnd, xchat in third, and then I don't care about the rest ;( |
| 10:15.53 | RST38h | thp: Btw, is your task switcher style configurable? |
| 10:16.06 | ShadowJK | unless I accidentally close one of them, then I have to close everything to get the "correct" order back :D |
| 10:16.51 | thp | RST38h: configurable at compile time atm |
| 10:17.01 | *** join/#maemo trupheenix (~trupheeni@nat/nokia/x-baxtfkhohdellzyo) |
| 10:17.09 | RST38h | thp: Any plans to add it to that .ini file? =) |
| 10:17.24 | thp | RST38h: no :p |
| 10:18.14 | thp | just scratched an itch there.. but given recent interest in MohammadAG51's mods, maybe he will step up and create an umbrella project for all h-d mods |
| 10:21.45 | Venemo | thp: yeah, I already talked with him about it :) |
| 10:21.54 | mece | MohammadAG51, ping? |
| 10:22.29 | *** join/#maemo Bash (~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 10:22.41 | Venemo | thp: anyways, I have another idea for rearranging |
| 10:23.07 | *** join/#maemo achipa (~chatzilla@Maemo/community/council/achipa) |
| 10:23.12 | Stskeeps | i vote for having bananas dancing around in a circle around the task windows |
| 10:23.19 | *** join/#maemo wazd (~wazd@188.123.241.73) |
| 10:23.20 | *** join/#maemo bennypr0fane (~bennypr0f@vie-078-142-128-144.dsl.sil.at) |
| 10:25.48 | bennypr0fane | Hey, i overclocked n900 to ideal profile (500-850) in Titan-powerkernel. Can anyone tell me how to UNDO this without reflashing the stock kernel (if that is possible)? |
| 10:27.14 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 10:28.09 | mece | bennypr0fane: kernel-config limits 250 600? |
| 10:28.16 | mece | bennypr0fane, something like that. |
| 10:28.42 | bennypr0fane | is 250 the lower limit? |
| 10:29.07 | mece | bennypr0fane, read here: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=731516&postcount=16 |
| 10:29.14 | bennypr0fane | i thought i'd have to use a low voltage-profile for that.... |
| 10:29.47 | mece | bennypr0fane, 250 is the default I think. I've never touched the stuff, so I don't know, but that's what I've come to understand. |
| 10:29.54 | *** join/#maemo andre__ (~andre@Maemo/community/bugmaster/andre) |
| 10:31.21 | bennypr0fane | thank you |
| 10:31.26 | bennypr0fane | i'll try that |
| 10:32.14 | bennypr0fane | also, i think my phone always boots in r&d-mode or something |
| 10:33.15 | bennypr0fane | when i power , the white nokia screen shows a phone-icon with a wrench and kernel info etc. are shown in green letters |
| 10:33.22 | *** join/#maemo marciom (~marciom@187.112.24.69) |
| 10:33.24 | bennypr0fane | *power on |
| 10:33.45 | bennypr0fane | how can i make start normal mode again? |
| 10:34.25 | dsg | bennypr0fane: Sounds like R&D mode |
| 10:34.25 | jarkkom | anyone remember what you had to do to get n900's attitude sensor unstuck? |
| 10:34.36 | dsg | bennypr0fane: http://wiki.maemo.org/R&D_mode |
| 10:36.25 | bennypr0fane | dsg does that mean i need a linux pc to disable r&d mode? |
| 10:36.40 | *** join/#maemo _berto_ (~berto@32.pool85-56-209.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 10:37.18 | dsg | bennypr0fane: Well, the page says reflashing with the windows wizard will disable it. But I don't have any windows so I can't confirm. |
| 10:37.43 | *** join/#maemo K0JIbKA (~nikobit@188.124.233.245) |
| 10:37.52 | *** join/#maemo BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) |
| 10:37.54 | dsg | bennypr0fane: Did you get the phone like this from a nokia center? |
| 10:38.00 | *** part/#maemo K0JIbKA (~nikobit@188.124.233.245) |
| 10:38.11 | mece | bennypr0fane, there's flasher for windows |
| 10:38.54 | mece | bennypr0fane, download it from here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 10:39.16 | bennypr0fane | dsg yes i did. they performed update to pr 1.2 for me and returned it to me like this. i do have win xp but there's somehting wrong with my desktop's usb port. almost bricked my n900 when i tried to flash pr 1.2 myself. |
| 10:39.59 | bennypr0fane | so using the windows flasher is what got me there in the first place |
| 10:40.07 | dsg | bennypr0fane: hm, it might be best to just bring it back to them to fix then. |
| 10:40.20 | bennypr0fane | i guess so |
| 10:40.34 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 10:41.26 | mece | MohammadAG, hey! Question, can you add a repo and be offered updates from app manager with your fixes, or does one have to install them manually? |
| 10:41.45 | mece | talking about the hildon fixes and the media player |
| 10:42.17 | bennypr0fane | what I'm acutally concerned about is that every time i change the battery (i do that a lot cause i have 2), the device starts booting by itself. that didn't happen before service worked on it, so i'm guessing this behavior is due to r&d mode |
| 10:42.53 | bennypr0fane | can anyone confirm that? |
| 10:43.14 | dsg | bennypr0fane: I seem to recall similar behaviour with R&D mode, but I'm not sure. |
| 10:43.26 | dsg | bennypr0fane: When the phone is off, and you just shortly press the power button, does it turn on? |
| 10:43.32 | bennypr0fane | maybe this is the lifeguard process or sth. |
| 10:43.34 | dsg | (usually you have to hold it for ~2 seconds) |
| 10:43.43 | dsg | That's a sure sign of R&D mode. |
| 10:43.47 | bennypr0fane | dsg yes it does - just short press |
| 10:43.54 | dsg | Ok, definately R&D mode. |
| 10:43.56 | *** join/#maemo smooph (~alschroe@141.2.231.191) |
| 10:44.05 | bennypr0fane | what does r&d mean anyway? |
| 10:44.16 | dsg | research & development |
| 10:44.21 | bennypr0fane | omg |
| 10:44.22 | dsg | Basically debugging/testing |
| 10:44.28 | bennypr0fane | :-D |
| 10:44.36 | bennypr0fane | defintiely not for me |
| 10:45.34 | *** join/#maemo SWFu (~SWFu@5ad4da8a.bb.sky.com) |
| 10:45.34 | *** join/#maemo SWFu (~SWFu@unaffiliated/swfu) |
| 10:45.53 | bennypr0fane | but do you think the battery thing (just inserting battery will power on the device without pressing power button) is also due to r&d mode? |
| 10:46.47 | bennypr0fane | MohammadAG do you have an idea about this? |
| 10:47.31 | alterego | My device doesn't boot on battery insertion, well, unless it's plugged in to charge. |
| 10:48.48 | *** join/#maemo lcuk (lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk) |
| 10:49.02 | bennypr0fane | mine didn't do so either before service gave it back to me set to r&d mode... |
| 10:49.25 | alterego | Well, take it off r&d mode then :P |
| 10:49.35 | Venemo | bennypr0fane: the best way to fix these issues seems to be a reflash, or try to take the device to a Nokia care center if you don't feel up to it |
| 10:49.39 | Venemo | ~flashing |
| 10:49.39 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:49.43 | dsg | bennypr0fane: Yes, I'm 90% sure. |
| 10:49.57 | Venemo | bennypr0fane: read that article |
| 10:51.33 | alterego | Flashing doesn't reset R&D flag afiar |
| 10:52.03 | bennypr0fane | i'd like to disable r&d myself, but it looks like i have to hook it up to a pc in order to do that, and mine's no good for that. so i guess it'll have to be the service center then |
| 10:52.13 | alterego | But you don't need to reflash to remove the r&d flag. regardless on buootit should be blatantly obvious if you're in r&d mode. |
| 10:52.58 | alterego | You can run the flasher on device. |
| 10:53.14 | bennypr0fane | i guess i'm pretty sure now that i am. i was hoping to avoid the service center 'cause i'm afraid they can tell i overclocked and make me pay for any further service |
| 10:53.14 | alterego | Not sure if it works with r&d though? So be careful. |
| 10:54.05 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 10:54.19 | alterego | I use flasher on device for kernel flashing would be nice to know if it can change those kinds of things aswell |
| 10:55.18 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 10:55.37 | bennypr0fane | at service, can they tell easily that i had it overclocked if i give it to them with factory settings in place? |
| 10:55.45 | alterego | No |
| 10:55.59 | alterego | There's no way to tell, and tbh I doubt they'd care. |
| 10:56.04 | *** join/#maemo dvaske (~asolsson@nat/nokia/x-yrhsldfsbhagkynb) |
| 10:56.07 | bennypr0fane | how do i flash on the device? |
| 10:57.04 | bennypr0fane | i've only heard of a flasher that needs to be run from external computer |
| 10:57.46 | bennypr0fane | or at least it's not mentioned here? http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_or_re-flashing_the_firmware_using_the_Flasher |
| 10:58.52 | dsg | bennypr0fane: Be careful. Not all advice you read on the internet is good advice :) |
| 10:59.06 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (~user@84.51.190.252) |
| 10:59.07 | dsg | Flashing rootfs from the device sounds much more risky than flashing kernel. |
| 10:59.10 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 10:59.35 | bennypr0fane | dsg sure thing. i tend to trust what people in here advise me though ;-) |
| 10:59.50 | bennypr0fane | or shopouldn't i? |
| 11:01.27 | bennypr0fane | alterego so if you're absolutely positive there's no way to tell i had the device overclocked, i guess i'll just bring it in for service |
| 11:01.58 | alterego | bennypr0fane: there really isn't |
| 11:02.25 | bennypr0fane | dsg "Flashing rootfs from the device sounds much more risky than flashing kernel." well i don't know how to do it anyway... |
| 11:02.36 | alterego | Unless they take it apart and you SoC is melted :P |
| 11:02.53 | alterego | ~your |
| 11:02.54 | infobot | your is, like, the possessive of you, and is not "you're", which means "you are" |
| 11:03.00 | bennypr0fane | alterego not yet :-D |
| 11:06.56 | marmoute | why the hell my mediaplayer is not able t play flv |
| 11:07.07 | alterego | gutted |
| 11:07.13 | alterego | bbl |
| 11:07.25 | *** join/#maemo pH5 (~ph5@e178192205.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 11:09.54 | MohammadAG | bennypr0fane, "RobbieThe1st"? |
| 11:10.53 | *** join/#maemo jpinx-eeepc (~johnp@ppp-124-122-120-56.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 11:14.52 | *** join/#maemo timeless_xchat (~timeless@80-186-247-191.elisa-mobile.fi) |
| 11:17.44 | *** join/#maemo sharpneli (taavirol@myntti.helsinki.fi) |
| 11:22.50 | mece | what's the dimensions of the omap3430 chip? |
| 11:23.27 | SpeedEvil | About 10mm*10mm IIRC |
| 11:24.10 | mece | SpeedEvil, thanks. |
| 11:24.53 | crashanddie | 12x12, 13x14, or 22x22 |
| 11:25.24 | crashanddie | (don't quote me on those, though) |
| 11:25.42 | mece | what is the one on the N900 then? |
| 11:25.51 | crashanddie | 12x12 methinks |
| 11:25.55 | mece | k. |
| 11:26.39 | MohammadAG | hmm |
| 11:26.44 | timeless_xchat | y? |
| 11:26.55 | MohammadAG | what variants of router custom firmwares are there |
| 11:27.03 | MohammadAG | I know about OpenWRT and DD-WRT |
| 11:27.11 | timeless_xchat | what difference does it make? |
| 11:28.13 | superchode | MohammadAG: i know of tomato as well |
| 11:28.54 | *** join/#maemo Chiku (~Chiku01@pla13-4-88-178-111-93.fbx.proxad.net) |
| 11:28.54 | *** join/#maemo Chiku (~Chiku01@unaffiliated/chiku) |
| 11:29.18 | SpeedEvil | mece: digikey.com |
| 11:29.31 | SpeedEvil | mece: search omap3530 |
| 11:31.23 | mece | SpeedEvil, I guess I could have just measured the one on the beagleboard. |
| 11:33.35 | *** join/#maemo baraujo (~Bruno@189.2.128.130) |
| 11:34.22 | mece | heh looks like they had to squeeze a lot mor stuff on pandaboard than on beagleboard. |
| 11:36.53 | bennypr0fane | MohammadAG who's RobbieThe1st |
| 11:37.05 | MohammadAG | nevermind |
| 11:37.29 | MohammadAG | thought you were the backupmenu dev |
| 11:37.48 | bennypr0fane | nope |
| 11:38.05 | bennypr0fane | definitely no kind of dev |
| 11:38.12 | bennypr0fane | :-( |
| 11:38.14 | pupnik_ | ty DocScrutinizer fun. |
| 11:41.03 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (1000@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 11:41.07 | *** part/#maemo bennypr0fane (~bennypr0f@vie-078-142-128-144.dsl.sil.at) |
| 11:41.20 | *** join/#maemo marciom (~marciom@187.112.24.69) |
| 11:41.32 | pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: underwater acoustic modems http://www.nortek-as.com/en/service/deployment-assesories/acoustic-modem |
| 11:44.14 | *** join/#maemo bbee (~bbee@2001:888:155c::13) |
| 11:44.14 | *** join/#maemo bbee (~bbee@unaffiliated/bbee) |
| 11:44.39 | *** join/#maemo andax (~Andreas_B@adsl-84-226-77-3.adslplus.ch) |
| 11:45.36 | *** join/#maemo dvaske (~asolsson@nat/nokia/x-ikadjcpfxrdnyuzh) |
| 11:46.28 | *** join/#maemo MohammadAG (~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG) |
| 11:47.04 | andax | Is in maemo something like virtual console you can get on common linux with Ctrl + Alt + F[1-12]? (plain text console, not embedded in QT stuff or such) |
| 11:47.37 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 11:48.18 | asj_ | andax: wtf |
| 11:48.29 | *** join/#maemo smhar (~salman@109.161.137.161) |
| 11:48.42 | sharpneli | pupnik_: There were stuff about basically using wlan underwater few years ago on one acoustic conference. |
| 11:49.02 | andax | asj_: in case someone is wondering why i need it: they surely perform faster, need less system resources et cetera |
| 11:49.25 | asj_ | andax: -ENOPARSE |
| 11:49.34 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: looks like a relatively simple exercise to implement such underwater modem on N900 :-D |
| 11:49.44 | sharpneli | pupnik_: Ofcourse it was not at 2.4GHz, they took the symbol and sent it on lower bandwidth (and lower central frequency) in a longer duration. Worked quite well. |
| 11:50.08 | DocScrutinizer | the headset connector should even work up to 30kHz I'd guess |
| 11:50.28 | asj_ | DocScrutinizer: I can test it the next time I go scuba diving...send me a waterproof n900 :) |
| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | haha |
| 11:51.20 | SpeedEvil | RF underwater works not terribly, if you have properly matched antenna. |
| 11:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 11:51.40 | pupnik_ | it seems the signal processing problems are similar underwater and over-the-air DocScrutinizer |
| 11:51.47 | SpeedEvil | Low conductivity water works much better. |
| 11:51.52 | SpeedEvil | Sea is a problem. |
| 11:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | some 30m :-P |
| 11:52.15 | sharpneli | Underwater you get much more usable bandwidth if you just use acoustic waves. |
| 11:52.33 | asj_ | whales have had good luck with acoustic ;) |
| 11:52.33 | lcuk | underwater keynote speeches? :D |
| 11:52.41 | sharpneli | And ofcourse the closer you are the more bandwidth you could use effectively. |
| 11:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | lo lcuk |
| 11:53.04 | pupnik_ | i'm more curious about handshaking via audio |
| 11:53.06 | *** join/#maemo jpinx-eeepc (~johnp@ppp-124-122-120-38.revip2.asianet.co.th) |
| 11:53.17 | pupnik_ | two devices chirping to each other would be cute |
| 11:53.21 | sharpneli | And the signal processing problems are identical with acoustics underwater and RF :p |
| 11:53.48 | pupnik_ | makes sense sharpneli |
| 11:53.50 | sharpneli | pupnik_: For what purpose that would be useful considering that we have bluetooth? |
| 11:54.12 | andax | asj_: Usually in Linux (see Linux console), the first six virtual consoles provide a text terminal with a login prompt to a Unix shell. The graphical X Window System starts in the seventh virtual console. |
| 11:54.28 | pupnik_ | can't think of one sharpneli - maybe feedback for humans that the devices are handshaking |
| 11:54.40 | asj_ | andax: sure, on a desktop |
| 11:54.45 | sharpneli | Instead of the lovely "Pairing" icon on screen?-) |
| 11:55.06 | sharpneli | Maybe it would be a nice aprils fool joke. Small program that can send contact info etc via the audio to other devices. |
| 11:55.12 | pupnik_ | maybe i'm getting a mitm attack sharpneli :) |
| 11:55.17 | *** join/#maemo rd (~rd@p57B490C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 11:55.37 | andax | why not on maemo? would be surely more efficient if you can handle it |
| 11:55.43 | andax | :-) |
| 11:55.56 | andax | asj_:^ |
| 11:55.56 | alterego | sharpneli: would be nice to implement a dialup modem :P |
| 11:55.57 | asj_ | andax: because it's not a desktop and would be almost useless |
| 11:56.10 | RST38h | "Many Android users are finding their shiny new handsets almost impossible to use due to a plethora of issues needing ridiculous workarounds, from creating and deleting multiple cloud accounts to repeatedly hard resetting." |
| 11:56.12 | sharpneli | Heh. Howabout implementing the bluetooth standard over audio? :D |
| 11:56.15 | alterego | plugin a audio/mic cross over cable and relive the retro years. |
| 11:56.30 | RST38h | Hmmm... And I thought Maemo sucked and Android was stable? =) |
| 11:56.43 | andax | i dont think so, the x-terrminal takes much time to load and i would use pdksh instead of bash, which is also faster |
| 11:56.45 | jarkkom | you could probably implement FSK modulation and get few hundred bps out of that with speaker/mic |
| 11:57.01 | alterego | RST38h: not needed to flash my N900 since I had it, I flash for each update though. |
| 11:57.28 | alterego | So I'm pretty sure I've not flashed it since PR1.2 |
| 11:57.36 | sharpneli | jarkkom: QAM ftw. |
| 11:57.55 | andax | well, i miss the function keys... |
| 11:57.59 | sharpneli | Maybe 10KHz of usable bandwidth between two phones close by. |
| 11:58.45 | sharpneli | I think there's no reason to use anything else than QAM nowadays really. We have more than enough processing power for it. |
| 11:58.48 | Scelt | mece: waddup? |
| 11:59.00 | alterego | Could use the fm transmitter/reciever for data xfer? :) |
| 11:59.37 | andax | asj_: maybe it would be useless for you but not for me. (because of the mentioned reasons and some more) |
| 11:59.42 | sharpneli | Hmmm. That's possible. Except FM sucks. We'd still get just few tens of KHz of bandwidth. |
| 12:01.04 | SpeedEvil | a couple of hundred kilobits a second are probably plausible. |
| 12:01.08 | alterego | Use it all and do bonding? :) |
| 12:01.08 | Scelt | mece: yeah, tripzero seemed to have made some wrong conclusions. Maybe I should have capitalized the VIRTUAL OPERATOR to make it understood |
| 12:01.28 | SpeedEvil | Also - for silliness. |
| 12:01.31 | *** join/#maemo pablo2 (~pablo@189.2.128.130) |
| 12:01.33 | alterego | bluetooth + wifi + usb + fm rx/tx + audio |
| 12:01.34 | SpeedEvil | Camera + lcd |
| 12:01.37 | SpeedEvil | for data transfer |
| 12:01.42 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: Via FM transmitter? |
| 12:01.46 | alterego | SpeedEvil: nice, |
| 12:01.47 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: yes |
| 12:01.59 | alterego | animated wd barcodes? :D |
| 12:02.02 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: Assuming complex modulation. |
| 12:02.10 | alterego | 2d~ |
| 12:02.16 | SpeedEvil | alterego: yes |
| 12:02.18 | pupnik_ | maybe android will start fracturing and sucking mainly because it's not got enough gnu/linux |
| 12:02.36 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: I'd assume that the fm transmitter just does exactly what it says. FM modulates the carrier with the input sound signal. |
| 12:02.40 | alterego | pupnik_: I don't think your average end user cares too much. |
| 12:02.52 | Scelt | mece: and I didn't know that airplane has nothing with airplane mode, which is very unclear |
| 12:03.03 | alterego | It'll suceed or fail on how good it works for average users. |
| 12:03.07 | SpeedEvil | http://dailyshite.com/2010/10/captain-picard-has-an-android-phone/ |
| 12:03.08 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: So the sound signal would be the limit. |
| 12:03.10 | alterego | That don't want an iPhone :D |
| 12:03.15 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: irrelevant. |
| 12:03.38 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: You canmodulate a couple of hundred kilobits a second over a audio channel withthebandwidthof the FM transmitter. |
| 12:05.13 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: I dont really know the specs of the transmitter. Yeah you can modulate few hundred kbps in that bandwidth but is it possible with the current hardware? |
| 12:05.26 | sharpneli | E.g if it just eats the sound and does basic FM modulation it is not possible. |
| 12:06.33 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: Over an audio channel of the bandwidthand SNR of the FM channel. Themodulationis irrelevant. |
| 12:07.01 | SpeedEvil | plays with firefox 4. |
| 12:07.46 | sharpneli | Yeah. Though data rate goes as logarithm of SNR (or linear with the dB) but linear with bandwith. :p |
| 12:07.58 | sharpneli | With luck the SNR is good. You've tested it? |
| 12:08.13 | andax | SpeedEvil: that reminds me on a idea to connect a softmodem directly to a DSL connection |
| 12:09.30 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: no, it's a shitload of code. |
| 12:09.45 | *** join/#maemo woodong50_______ (~moodapo@110.12.164.165) |
| 12:09.48 | SpeedEvil | andax: A soft-modem that implements the DSL stck is quite possible in principle. |
| 12:10.34 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: Shitloads of code? Save test symbol as wav, send it to fm transmitter and record from other device. |
| 12:10.56 | sharpneli | Transfer to matlab or whatever fancies you and go wild. |
| 12:11.04 | andax | SpeedEvil: Yeah, i guess so and think it would be pretty cool, (cold reduce some wiring salad at home) but i never saw such implementation |
| 12:11.20 | SpeedEvil | shaIt's an uninteresting experiment. |
| 12:11.26 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: |
| 12:11.32 | andax | cold -> could |
| 12:11.54 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: The FM transmitter is specified to provide a clean audio link over xKHz. |
| 12:11.57 | sharpneli | It is yeah. But what did you meant with the "shitload of code"? |
| 12:12.11 | *** join/#maemo K0JIbKA (~nikobit@188.124.233.245) |
| 12:12.33 | *** join/#maemo LjL (~ljl@unaffiliated/ljl) |
| 12:12.49 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: A proper soft-modem to modulate at high bits/hz a digital signal, and to recover it at the other end is quite significant code. |
| 12:13.29 | SpeedEvil | andax: It would probably not. You're looking at a specialised 'soundcard' - that will at best need USB2 and to be moving a _large_ amount of data continually. |
| 12:13.45 | pupnik_ | alterego: perhaps going with meego with a lot of gnu/linux will mean more long-term trust and adoption of the platform |
| 12:14.05 | sharpneli | Yeah it is. Especially if it needs to be efficient. However it is not relevant if we want to set upper bounds for the possible data rate. |
| 12:14.51 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: Can you e.g change the samplerate the FM radio eats? Or is it analog already when it goes to the transmitter? |
| 12:15.22 | alterego | pupnik_: maybe, or not, as much as I don't like the architecture of android, it does have the sandboxing potential that vendors may like from a security perspective ... |
| 12:15.29 | *** join/#maemo Flanbix (~Flanbix@w114-210.fenner.hull.ac.uk) |
| 12:15.36 | SpeedEvil | The datasheet of teh FM transmitter sets a SNR and a bandwidth. You then compute the maximum datarate based on this. You're not doinganything other than treating it as a pure analog channel. |
| 12:15.37 | andax | I was regarding a t40 thinkpad with integrated softmodem, so no USB stuff would be needed. Then, with IP-forwarding, could be the wifi hot spot and home server |
| 12:15.38 | alterego | Yet to see how Nokia's security system works.. |
| 12:15.47 | andax | SpeedEvil:^ |
| 12:16.11 | SpeedEvil | andax: In principle possible, it would mean considerable hardware inside. |
| 12:16.46 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: So it does not go trough the audio system? That's great to hear. |
| 12:16.58 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 12:16.59 | sharpneli | I was afraid that it would be tied to the audio output. |
| 12:17.09 | SpeedEvil | andax: the 'easy' way would be to basically integrate a DSL modem, the hard way would be to integrate a DAC/ADC, and do it in software. This would bemaybe $10-$20 cheaper |
| 12:17.22 | SpeedEvil | But would probably not run on linux. |
| 12:21.19 | andax | SpeedEvil: a softmodem is functioning essentially as a DAC/ADC, much like a sound card which handles pure PCM and analog signals from and to the telephone line |
| 12:22.04 | SpeedEvil | andax: yes. But a softmodem that is designed fro DSL use requires an ADC running around 500 times faster. |
| 12:22.10 | *** join/#maemo woodong50_______ (~moodapo@110.12.164.165) |
| 12:22.15 | *** join/#maemo lizardo (~lizardo@189.2.128.130) |
| 12:22.16 | jarkkom | doesn't linux include some softmodem support by default, at least for conexant chips? |
| 12:22.34 | SpeedEvil | Irrelevant. |
| 12:22.50 | SpeedEvil | A DSL stack in software for a sofrtmodem would be a really huge chunk of code. |
| 12:23.00 | pupnik_ | it's very simple to win the apple/android/phone war. make MeeGo the better android platform |
| 12:23.03 | SpeedEvil | The DSL specification is - IIRC - around a thoudand pages. |
| 12:23.10 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: no, it's not. |
| 12:23.19 | pupnik_ | so you've got native MeeGo/maemo apps, and you run the other fluff in a vm |
| 12:23.22 | andax | SpeedEvil: 500 times faster... probably too fast for a soundcard i guess |
| 12:23.33 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: The notion that the best product wins in a fmarketplace is completely broken. |
| 12:23.38 | pupnik_ | i know that |
| 12:23.39 | SpeedEvil | andax: much too fast, yes. |
| 12:23.46 | jarkkom | actual modulation isn't that complicated in DSL but complexity in ADSL comes from legacy stuff, as there's all the ATM transport |
| 12:23.51 | LjL | are you talking about using the FM transmitter as a soft-modem...? O.o |
| 12:24.15 | SpeedEvil | jarkkom: The modulation is not in principle _that_ complex - OFDM/... |
| 12:24.30 | pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: that's why don't don't make a 'better OS' and expect to sell that. You make a better way for people to run their apps, and they'll flock to you. |
| 12:24.31 | alterego | pupnik_: it seems more about eyecandy and phone sex factor that makes android successful, not it being any good :) |
| 12:24.32 | SpeedEvil | jarkkom: The problem isthat implementing all of the seperate layers is a quite large amount of code. |
| 12:24.37 | SpeedEvil | From memory. |
| 12:25.08 | jarkkom | SpeedEvil, yeah I haven't dealth with ADSL/DSLAM in several years but I remember whole ATM thing being main headache as nobody actually had ATM networks anymore |
| 12:25.17 | alterego | Admittedly a lot of the Android phones seem to look the same to me now. |
| 12:25.19 | SpeedEvil | Initial FIR/IIR filter fromthe ADC/DAC. OFDM modulate/demodulate. ATM with FEC. then PPPOA or ... |
| 12:26.14 | SpeedEvil | It's somethingthat is possible to do, but it would require special hardware and significant software. |
| 12:26.46 | pupnik_ | one thing this maemo experience teaches me is the nature of pioneering product classes (internet tablets) and market adoption |
| 12:27.29 | *** join/#maemo setanta (~setanta@187.59.120.237) |
| 12:27.52 | *** join/#maemo eMHa (~mh@HSI-KBW-091-089-052-241.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 12:27.56 | SpeedEvil | points at the Apple Newton. |
| 12:27.59 | pupnik_ | you've got a chance to be a hit as the innovator - maybe - if it's as simple as a frisbee or hula-hoop :) |
| 12:28.02 | sharpneli | OFDM == just do FFT and look at the taps ;p |
| 12:28.13 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: I know the principle. |
| 12:28.19 | andax | the audio frequency range typically is 20â20000 Hz |
| 12:28.40 | *** join/#maemo herman_t (~herman@nat/ibm/x-fzxfnmssoakgqyfl) |
| 12:29.12 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: While the individual parts of it are perhaps managable bits of code, the aggregation is a fairly large bit. And DSL modem debugging hardware is rare and hideously expensive. |
| 12:29.32 | sharpneli | My view is extremely biased here because I know the low level stuff well but I really dont know right now how to implement the upper layers. So I'll take your word for it. |
| 12:31.22 | sharpneli | One positive side is that one software based stack could work just as well with audio and with FM transmitter as the transfer path. |
| 12:31.27 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: Each individual bit is simple, but implementing all of thetwiddles, and spending ages puzzling over the ambigous meaning of bit 32 of the training word... |
| 12:31.36 | sharpneli | :D |
| 12:31.37 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: unfortunately, not quite. |
| 12:31.45 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: FM is basically a clean channel. |
| 12:32.01 | SpeedEvil | Real-world audio that goes throughthe air has many more artifacts. |
| 12:32.20 | SpeedEvil | Reflections, and frequency-dependant phase shifts and amplitude shifts. |
| 12:32.24 | sharpneli | Yeah. But they're all just noise and handled the same way if OFDM is used. |
| 12:32.28 | SpeedEvil | As well as external noise. |
| 12:32.40 | SpeedEvil | they aren't. |
| 12:32.55 | SpeedEvil | Frequency dependant phase shifts that alter over time are a pain with OFDM too. |
| 12:33.07 | crashanddie | OK WTF http://yourlogomakesmebarf.com/files/pegleg-paintball-logo.gif |
| 12:33.07 | sharpneli | What would produce that kind of effect? |
| 12:33.20 | crashanddie | Who the hell comes up with this shit? |
| 12:33.51 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: motion. |
| 12:34.03 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: reflections off nearby objects |
| 12:34.16 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: the angle of the sending/recieving phones changing. |
| 12:34.54 | sharpneli | Motion is correct, others are just the same as with RF |
| 12:35.03 | sharpneli | Multipath just means longer guard interval. |
| 12:35.13 | alterego | crashanddie: paintball for those in a wheelchair? |
| 12:35.32 | SpeedEvil | But you can completely neglect these if you are using the FM transmitter, as you are not dealing withthem. |
| 12:35.50 | sharpneli | Yeah it's true. |
| 12:35.54 | sharpneli | But that makes it boring :D |
| 12:35.54 | SpeedEvil | The FM transmitter is by definition a nice flat 'perfect' audio channel. |
| 12:36.08 | SpeedEvil | Have I linked http://www.renault-ze.com/news/twizy-competition-1982.html&gallery=#gallery-twizy here? |
| 12:36.12 | SpeedEvil | Free car! |
| 12:36.15 | sharpneli | Yeah because the relative bandwith is so damn small |
| 12:36.40 | SpeedEvil | Though it seems to be aimed at people who like musical theater. |
| 12:36.56 | alterego | I still like my idea, just use everything with a network stack on top and do bonding :) |
| 12:36.59 | SpeedEvil | The 'rental battery' concept is interesting. |
| 12:37.11 | sharpneli | SpeedEvil: However those effects are relevant only to the demodulation phase. After that the rest of the stack is identical. |
| 12:37.27 | sharpneli | And as you said, the rest of the stack is most likely the hardest part to do :p |
| 12:37.27 | alterego | Though it means implementing new network devices for fm tx+rx and audio in/out |
| 12:38.00 | alterego | If you use the forward camera and screen you've got bidirectional communications too :) |
| 12:38.57 | lcuk | lol SpeedEvil |
| 12:39.10 | lcuk | from the thumbnails I tohught 9/12 "Happy" was a meegomobile! |
| 12:39.17 | andax | maybe some forms of historic packet radio network as a starting point could reduce the efforts |
| 12:39.26 | *** join/#maemo marciom (~marciom@187.59.120.237) |
| 12:39.55 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: naah - that's what happens when you reverse into a crowd of children. |
| 12:40.18 | sharpneli | Grab the stack of some radio amateur packet radio system and write new modulation/demodulation code. |
| 12:40.43 | SpeedEvil | I point to debian chroot |
| 12:40.52 | SpeedEvil | and the factr that fldigi is already there |
| 12:41.09 | SpeedEvil | However- the range of FM is under that of bluetooth. |
| 12:41.15 | SpeedEvil | So there is almost certainly no point. |
| 12:41.52 | sharpneli | True. The audio path would be quite neat. |
| 12:42.15 | sharpneli | And then plug a small hydrophone to the device and you'll have underwater communication! |
| 12:42.22 | *** join/#maemo ALoGeNo (~alogeno@unaffiliated/alogeno) |
| 12:43.15 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 12:43.30 | andax | \o/ |
| 12:43.35 | *** join/#maemo diegohcg (~diegohcg@189.2.128.130) |
| 12:44.02 | alterego | Is that what this conversation was about. |
| 12:44.26 | alterego | I think I'd prefer a text to morse conversion using the flash and camera to encode and decode. |
| 12:44.27 | sharpneli | Atleast it started with http://www.nortek-as.com/en/service/deployment-assesories/acoustic-modem this :D |
| 12:44.34 | alterego | Who wants to do it for me? :) |
| 12:45.37 | sharpneli | Heh. It's hard to know which one would be more annoying. Beeping and hissing or epilepsy inducing flashing :D |
| 12:45.57 | crashanddie | just look at the source code of the eeepc |
| 12:46.00 | crashanddie | or the olpc |
| 12:46.06 | crashanddie | they screeched to find one another |
| 12:46.19 | alterego | Well, flashing has better range in low noise conditions |
| 12:46.38 | SpeedEvil | I think it should be able to do a couple of hundred meters. |
| 12:46.40 | SpeedEvil | With flash |
| 12:46.49 | alterego | Especially if you could setup the position and do tracking. |
| 12:46.55 | SpeedEvil | if the two phones are fixed |
| 12:47.08 | alterego | Yeah |
| 12:47.23 | alterego | Could use the red led as a carrier? :D |
| 12:47.25 | SpeedEvil | At night at least |
| 12:47.52 | pupnik_ | alterego: you could do spread specrtum data using YUV! |
| 12:47.58 | andax | Why not communicating under water? the size of the keyboard gets more and more appealing for frogs as well :-) |
| 12:48.00 | *** join/#maemo dvaske (~asolsson@nat/nokia/x-mdefrlwqvvireary) |
| 12:48.07 | alterego | pupnik_: hah, good idea. |
| 12:48.17 | jarkkom | I guess you could just throw infrared filter over flash if it has enough power in those frequencies |
| 12:48.45 | SpeedEvil | Flash outputs essentially no power at IR |
| 12:48.50 | alterego | jarkkom: no point, we've got an ir emitter |
| 12:48.54 | sharpneli | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:White_LED.png |
| 12:48.55 | Corsac | or just use the IR emitter? |
| 12:49.06 | SpeedEvil | there will be some tail at IR of the yellow pigment, but I would suspect it to be down at least 10^6 |
| 12:49.12 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
| 12:49.16 | MohammadAG | if I have 4 partitions on a device, say, sda1-4, would dd if=sda of=file backup all 4 partitions? |
| 12:49.20 | SpeedEvil | the IR LED is weak though |
| 12:49.28 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: yes |
| 12:49.34 | alterego | Unfortunately you have to make sure the camera is down when you're firing. |
| 12:49.38 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 12:49.42 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: you are aware trhat mmc are not block devices though? |
| 12:49.46 | alterego | flash is much easier |
| 12:50.05 | jarkkom | oh I forgot abour IR completely, with bluetooth being everywhere |
| 12:50.15 | SpeedEvil | There is no IR reciever. |
| 12:50.20 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, it's an external microSD card |
| 12:50.27 | sharpneli | Remove the IR filter from your camera |
| 12:50.27 | SpeedEvil | The cameras can - sort-of pick up IR, but not well. |
| 12:50.38 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (~panaggio@recod-gw.ic.unicamp.br) |
| 12:50.40 | sharpneli | Actually CCD picks it up really well if the filter is removed. |
| 12:50.53 | sharpneli | But that's not exactly the most practical solution :p |
| 12:50.53 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 12:51.09 | SpeedEvil | Also - neither of the cameras in the n900 are CCD. |
| 12:51.10 | andax | isnt it a IR sensor on the right of the camera shot button? |
| 12:51.22 | SpeedEvil | (but that point is irrelevant, as they have a similar spectral response) |
| 12:51.28 | SpeedEvil | andax: no |
| 12:51.29 | nomis | andax: it is a sender. |
| 12:52.29 | jarkkom | sharpneli, had one of those first sony cameras without IR filter at work, annoying to work with since conference area where it was also had IR-based headset system from simultaneous translation |
| 12:52.59 | sharpneli | Heh |
| 12:53.21 | jarkkom | then sony put IR filters on every camera when some pervert found out that some clothes are quite transparent in IR frequencies |
| 12:53.30 | sharpneli | I removed the IR filter from one old logitech quickcam. Provided fun for approximately for ~5minutes :p |
| 12:53.57 | sharpneli | Hmm. I think you just told me an excellent way to use it :D |
| 12:54.02 | crashanddie | sharpneli, best part of removing IR filter is that you can see through some materials |
| 12:54.47 | SpeedEvil | IR photography is cool |
| 12:54.52 | sharpneli | As a fun sidenote you can see why some black shirts are much hotter at summer than others. Some shirts are actually white at IR even though they're black on visible light. |
| 12:54.55 | SpeedEvil | for natural stuff - not pervy |
| 12:54.58 | SpeedEvil | near-IR |
| 12:55.09 | *** join/#maemo Ryback_ (~ulisses@enlightenment/developer/ryback) |
| 12:55.20 | sharpneli | ~1um wavelenght kicks ass. |
| 12:55.35 | MohammadAG | SpeedEvil, this should work for these then right? |
| 12:55.38 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ ls /dev/mmcblk0* |
| 12:55.38 | MohammadAG | /dev/mmcblk0 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /dev/mmcblk0p2 /dev/mmcblk0p3 /dev/mmcblk0p4 |
| 12:55.44 | *** join/#maemo avs (~avs@a88-113-5-233.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 12:55.56 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: mmc are not a block device |
| 12:56.04 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: err |
| 12:56.13 | SpeedEvil | actually - ignore that, of coruse tehy are |
| 12:56.18 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking of mt |
| 12:56.18 | MohammadAG | that's not the N900 |
| 12:56.18 | SpeedEvil | d |
| 12:56.20 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:56.30 | MohammadAG | k, ty :) |
| 12:57.16 | *** join/#maemo hardaker (~hardaker@mail.hardakers.net) |
| 12:57.28 | SpeedEvil | The root devicehas allthe aprtitions, and the partition table. |
| 12:59.55 | *** join/#maemo leandrosansilva (~quassel@189.26.64.36.dynamic.adsl.gvt.net.br) |
| 13:00.21 | alterego | Ah, you've just reminded me |
| 13:00.28 | alterego | flashes a new meego image |
| 13:00.37 | *** join/#maemo petrux (~petrux@host16-224-static.53-82-b.business.telecomitalia.it) |
| 13:00.49 | sharpneli | Hmm. Meego works with n900 already? |
| 13:01.05 | maybeArgh | depends on your definition of "works" |
| 13:02.05 | *** join/#maemo cjdavis (~cjdavis@cpe-71-67-99-208.cinci.res.rr.com) |
| 13:02.15 | sharpneli | Useful development work can be done without jig with serial port? |
| 13:02.33 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 13:04.15 | *** join/#maemo mirr0r (flugel@6d4822d1.ftth.concepts.nl) |
| 13:05.38 | andax | BTW: HTML/Malicious.PDF.Gen VIRUS WARNING: #http://maemo4beginners.garage.maemo.org/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf |
| 13:06.15 | andax | Is there a good online virus scanner for maemo users? ^ |
| 13:07.20 | andax | (do not open the document) |
| 13:07.23 | SpeedEvil | sharpneli: no, you cant get to the serial port with no jig |
| 13:08.07 | sharpneli | In theory you could. But that was just my definition of the 'works'. No serial port console needed. |
| 13:08.10 | *** join/#maemo NishanthMenon (~nmenon@nat/ti/x-onskluijwvjhyzfs) |
| 13:08.13 | *** join/#maemo the_lord (~david@190.201.87.59) |
| 13:08.32 | *** join/#maemo krau (~krau@187.59.120.237) |
| 13:09.06 | alterego | andax: what do you expect that pdf to do to a Linux machine? |
| 13:09.12 | *** join/#maemo ToJa92 (~ToJa92@90-228-225-154-no126.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 13:09.18 | lcuk | andax, which virus scanner identified it? |
| 13:09.22 | lcuk | alterego, not the point |
| 13:09.33 | lcuk | its pdf resource and lots of devs may be on windows |
| 13:09.44 | alterego | Sure I get that. |
| 13:09.46 | lcuk | i see its for m4 though which may limit |
| 13:10.01 | lcuk | but still if its a genuine detections it should be cleaned |
| 13:10.22 | lcuk | the virus is being picked up as generic heuristics though |
| 13:10.27 | andax | lcuk: scanned with AVIRA, according to description it tries to find ftp accounts |
| 13:10.29 | alterego | Maybe someone should work on porting clamav or something for keeping the fat areas clean ;) |
| 13:10.42 | *** join/#maemo fiferboy (~quassel@2001:470:b0ea:1:4687:fcff:fe72:d20a) |
| 13:10.42 | *** join/#maemo fiferboy (~quassel@Maemo/community/contributor/fiferboy) |
| 13:11.03 | lcuk | alterego, this isnt a device problem |
| 13:11.07 | jarkkom | I submitted it to totalscan, let's see what various scanners say |
| 13:11.14 | alterego | lcuk: the question was :P |
| 13:11.49 | jarkkom | only AntiVir complains about it, probably heuristic gone wrong |
| 13:11.56 | alterego | And maybe it is a good idea. |
| 13:12.12 | alterego | It'd certainly make some people happy I'd have thought. |
| 13:12.40 | crashanddie | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:12.52 | jarkkom | 1/43, so probably just AntiVir issue http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=35e94a64f7fc8036ef09ab3dd165c3036fc3b0bbb7b50fc4769023a0f2d62fe2-1286543369 |
| 13:13.10 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 13:13.11 | lcuk | andax, jarkkom could you check http://maemo.org/development/documentation/maemo-quick-start-guide.pdf |
| 13:13.25 | lcuk | it appears to be the same file published |
| 13:14.49 | andax | its odd too that the maemo4beginners server does not have a start page |
| 13:14.56 | GAN900 | Is the new Fennec beta actually available? |
| 13:15.01 | jarkkom | virustotal is pretty good for checking that kind of stuff |
| 13:15.25 | andax | jarkkom: yes, good to know, thanks |
| 13:15.27 | jarkkom | they support all major antivirus software and bunch of more obscure ones |
| 13:15.53 | jarkkom | and you don't have to risk anything by downloading files yourself |
| 13:16.36 | lcuk | jarkkom, :) it is quite nice actually |
| 13:16.38 | jarkkom | lcuk, it's same file, identical hashes and same result, just antivir complaining |
| 13:16.48 | lcuk | thanks |
| 13:16.51 | jarkkom | http://www.virustotal.com/file-scan/report.html?id=35e94a64f7fc8036ef09ab3dd165c3036fc3b0bbb7b50fc4769023a0f2d62fe2-1286543369 |
| 13:17.08 | sharpneli | Or it's the best pdf virus ever. Constructed spesifically to give identical hash! |
| 13:18.06 | alterego | sharpneli: I'm sure the other AVs would have picked something up it it was the case :P |
| 13:18.19 | lcuk | sharpneli, it was just highlighting the same thing had been published ;) |
| 13:18.40 | lcuk | heuristic scanning can often bring up things like this though |
| 13:19.00 | *** join/#maemo smhar (~stranger@46.42.105.78) |
| 13:19.19 | alterego | bbl |
| 13:19.23 | lcuk | speaking of viruses on linux: http://liqbase.net/OMG_VIRUS_ON_LINUX_Screenshot.png |
| 13:19.33 | sharpneli | Hey, are you going to let logic come into way of fear and despair?-) |
| 13:19.45 | *** join/#maemo apoi (~andi@85-126-180-242.volume.xdsl-line.inode.at) |
| 13:20.28 | ieatlint | lcuk: the real joke is the bookmark to the TMZ |
| 13:20.51 | lcuk | ieatlint, \o I will tell tracy that |
| 13:20.57 | ieatlint | :P |
| 13:21.02 | smhar | this is the first time I try the OVI maps, and I could not find a way to save a location of interest or to search for one, I used to be able to do so with OVI maps for N97. is it possible in N900? and how? |
| 13:21.12 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 13:21.18 | ieatlint | also, that must be a lie, there are no women using linux |
| 13:21.23 | ieatlint | just like there are no women online |
| 13:21.48 | sharpneli | Considering the resolution that's a netbook. Quite girlish thing. |
| 13:22.02 | lcuk | sharpneli, its a lenovo x41 |
| 13:22.27 | ieatlint | netbooks aren't really girlish... they're fucking useful |
| 13:22.32 | andax | description of HTML/Malicious.PDF.Gen : http://www.precisesecurity.com/trojan/htmlmaliciouspdfgen/ |
| 13:22.41 | Corsac | ieatlint: are you saying that girls are not fucking useful? |
| 13:22.45 | ieatlint | sometimes you need a lightweight laptop as a terminal that has a battery that will list 6+ hours |
| 13:23.01 | lcuk | haha the battery on that old couchboard lasts about 5 minutes |
| 13:23.07 | crashanddie | Corsac, don't know if this 'Useful' dude is being fucked, but I definitely know some girls who are fucking. |
| 13:23.15 | *** join/#maemo dvaske (~asolsson@nat/nokia/x-jlhsbsocvwicwcra) |
| 13:23.28 | ieatlint | Corsac: no, of course not, they just are useful in the kitchen instead |
| 13:23.41 | mgedmin | ugh |
| 13:23.43 | Corsac | crashanddie: right now? |
| 13:23.49 | mgedmin | why do people think sexism is funny? |
| 13:23.54 | crashanddie | Corsac, sure |
| 13:24.00 | ieatlint | mgedmin: because it is |
| 13:24.19 | Corsac | depends |
| 13:24.21 | sharpneli | For the same reason anything else is funny. Come on, people laugh at farts. |
| 13:24.55 | sharpneli | Even though farts are funny it's quite rude and unacceptable to do that in general at public. |
| 13:25.04 | mgedmin | ieatlint-- |
| 13:25.06 | ieatlint | my gf is a linux sysadmin and makes more sexist jokes than i do... so meh to your "omg no, sexist jokes are bad" |
| 13:25.52 | crashanddie | pics or it didn't happen |
| 13:26.09 | ieatlint | hah |
| 13:27.48 | *** part/#maemo K0JIbKA (~nikobit@188.124.233.245) |
| 13:27.56 | *** join/#maemo aloisiojr (~aloisio@187.59.120.237) |
| 13:28.07 | andax | smhar: it is not possible with ovi for n900. frankly speaking, ovi maps on n900 appears as the poorest maps application that i ever came across. |
| 13:28.12 | *** join/#maemo samosa (5ec2d20a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.210.10) |
| 13:28.51 | Surfa | it only means that you haven't seen too many map applications ever |
| 13:29.13 | ieatlint | ovi maps on the n900 totally beats mapquest |
| 13:29.19 | ieatlint | which is the nicest thing one can say about it |
| 13:29.54 | smhar | andax, ooh, that is really silly, to specially considering that the code is all there!! I can not think of a reason not to port it to N900!!! |
| 13:30.12 | ieatlint | what code? |
| 13:30.13 | andax | Surfa: mapquest... i remember, it was hot around 1998 |
| 13:30.30 | andax | or 1999 or so |
| 13:31.07 | smhar | ieatlint, the software code for the part of the software doing the saving and searching of POI |
| 13:31.28 | ieatlint | i somehow assumed that ovi was entirely closed source |
| 13:31.35 | smhar | so, is there a 'better' alternative maps software for N900 that does that? |
| 13:31.50 | Stskeeps | sygic's good :P |
| 13:32.26 | toggles | sygic++ |
| 13:32.36 | ieatlint | http://www.google.com/maps/m is the mobile version of googe maps... there's a gps plugin for the browser |
| 13:32.37 | toggles | i like the way she stutters |
| 13:32.37 | andax | Surfa: at the moment i prefer to navigate without GPS, go to http://map.search.ch/ and save the printable file when i need to find something. |
| 13:32.38 | smhar | ieatlint, I know, I mean Nokia doing the porting, afterall, they the ones who published OVI maps for N900, and they own and have access to the code of OVI maps for N97 |
| 13:32.58 | andax | Surfa: unfortunately this map is for switzerland only |
| 13:33.13 | andax | but i think its the best |
| 13:33.16 | ieatlint | sygic is something like $80 as i recall |
| 13:33.16 | andax | online map |
| 13:33.29 | smhar | ieatlint, I mean a map application that is an offline one, that does not depend on a live internet connection |
| 13:34.00 | ieatlint | smhar: there are some that will do caching of OSM or google methinks... not sure how well they work |
| 13:34.09 | *** join/#maemo marciom (~marciom@187.59.119.213) |
| 13:34.27 | lcuk | smhar, paper maps |
| 13:34.47 | andax | smhar: i wish i had a offline map. It makes me crazy wqhen i see the road on the map with its name and cant find that road over the search function of Ovi |
| 13:34.50 | smhar | lcuk, yah, beside that I mean |
| 13:35.25 | ieatlint | smhar: in my experience, of the free mapping apps for the n900, mappero is the best |
| 13:35.32 | ieatlint | and i believe it supports caching |
| 13:35.52 | ieatlint | http://www.mardy.it/mappero |
| 13:36.13 | jarkkom | for Meego they really need to have some kind of QMapView and then have it support whatever map backend phone manufacturer packages |
| 13:36.37 | ieatlint | although the routing and POI search are online only methinks |
| 13:36.54 | *** join/#maemo jrocha (~JRocha@88.30.60.213.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 13:37.00 | jarkkom | even with just single source, I have like 200MB of openstreetmap cache data on phone currently because each app does its caching in different way |
| 13:37.36 | *** join/#maemo marciom_ (~marciom@187.59.120.237) |
| 13:38.55 | ieatlint | qt4.7 doesn't have a qmapview, and meego won't either |
| 13:39.01 | ieatlint | (well, meego 1.1) |
| 13:39.16 | *** part/#maemo samosa (5ec2d20a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.210.10) |
| 13:39.30 | achipa | isn't there some thingy of that sort in QtM ? |
| 13:39.42 | ieatlint | there's gps stuff in qtmobility |
| 13:39.47 | *** join/#maemo lolATmaemo (5ec2d20a@gateway/web/freenode/ip.94.194.210.10) |
| 13:40.03 | jarkkom | achipa, there has been something about it being in plans but I haven't seen anything concrete |
| 13:40.25 | ieatlint | but as i understand it, qtmobility has nothing based on qwidget... was supposed to be a wrapper for standardising detection and access of device-specific hardware |
| 13:40.47 | lolATmaemo | Do you think it will ever be possible to port maemo/meego to n8? |
| 13:40.48 | achipa | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta2/qgraphicsgeomap.html |
| 13:40.52 | lcuk | achipa, yes http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta2/location-overview.html |
| 13:41.16 | lcuk | likes qtmobility :) |
| 13:41.25 | ieatlint | oooh... i stand corrected |
| 13:41.28 | ieatlint | happily |
| 13:41.29 | lcuk | http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.1.0-beta2/ |
| 13:41.43 | lolATmaemo | why is nokia even trying? they should just kill maemo/meego. |
| 13:42.01 | ieatlint | i do not like the new layout for qt docs :( |
| 13:42.02 | Stskeeps | sigh |
| 13:42.28 | Stskeeps | lolATmaemo: are you a troll? if so, please go and kill yourself slowly with a rusted, blunt knife |
| 13:42.43 | ieatlint | Stskeeps: of course he is |
| 13:42.51 | lolATmaemo | ouch... |
| 13:42.57 | jarkkom | I guess majority of developers probably would rather see symbian go |
| 13:43.28 | ieatlint | lolATmaemo/samosa: do a better job masking yourself |
| 13:43.50 | lcuk | lolATmaemo, what do you suggest to do? |
| 13:44.03 | ieatlint | the whole quit and then join 30s later with a new nick is not too convincing |
| 13:44.07 | Corsac | hmhm http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta |
| 13:44.22 | lolATmaemo | port it to n8 or abandon it. |
| 13:44.53 | Corsac | slow. |
| 13:45.21 | lcuk | lolATmaemo, how do you know meego won't run on the n8 ? |
| 13:45.40 | GAN900 | lcuk, has Linux ever really run on any Symbian device? |
| 13:46.06 | GAN900 | Besides: shit screen resolution |
| 13:46.09 | lcuk | GAN900, theres versions of linux o nthe iphone |
| 13:46.26 | *** join/#maemo deegee__ (~deegee@cpc2-brom9-2-0-cust485.wolv.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 13:46.31 | lcuk | and Mer runs on a pocket lighter |
| 13:46.44 | achipa | Stskeeps: is Serbia, that saying is with a spoon |
| 13:48.15 | jarkkom | hmm this looks pretty good actually, I need to see if I could convert my timetable app to mobility 1.1 http://labs.qt.nokia.com/2010/09/30/qt-mobility-1-1-0-beta-package/comment-page-1/ |
| 13:48.44 | GAN900 | lcuk, "there're" and no, not really. |
| 13:48.49 | GAN900 | lcuk, not since the 3g. |
| 13:49.07 | lcuk | GAN900, sigh - get a sense of adventure |
| 13:49.08 | achipa | GAN900: does http://linux-7110.sourceforge.net/ count ? :D |
| 13:49.31 | lcuk | jarkkom, :) yeah it does. |
| 13:49.48 | GAN900 | lcuk, point being, platform sec is getting better, not worse. |
| 13:49.56 | lolATmaemo | lcuk: [06:40] <lolATmaemo> Do you think it will ever be possible to port maemo/meego to n8? <-- I dont know, but theres no version out? |
| 13:50.35 | lcuk | lolATmaemo, change the nick if you want a serious conversation |
| 13:51.55 | Meegowillfail | better? |
| 13:52.08 | kerio | sure |
| 13:52.10 | *** join/#maemo _berto_ (~berto@32.pool85-56-209.dynamic.orange.es) |
| 13:52.37 | achipa | who will countdown for the kick ? |
| 13:52.47 | pronto | 3? |
| 13:53.25 | *** join/#maemo fnordianslip (~fnoridans@94-30-69-47.xdsl.murphx.net) |
| 13:53.25 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 13:53.28 | *** join/#maemo e-yes (~e-yes@95.72.223.163) |
| 13:53.35 | *** mode/#maemo [+b *!*5ec2d20a@*.94.194.210.10] by Stskeeps |
| 13:53.35 | *** kick/#maemo [Meegowillfail!~cvm@Maemo/community/distmaster/Stskeeps] by Stskeeps (no, you fail) |
| 13:53.38 | *** mode/#maemo [-o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 13:54.30 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, +q works a lot better |
| 13:54.42 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, they can't change their nick anymore, and have to endure us ignoring them :0 |
| 13:54.45 | Stskeeps | so does beer in the sun |
| 13:54.45 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:55.05 | Corsac | +b without kick is the same |
| 13:55.10 | Corsac | plus they won't rejoin if they leave |
| 13:55.21 | crashanddie | Corsac, nope, +b still allows them to change nicknames |
| 13:55.30 | Corsac | are you sure? |
| 13:55.39 | crashanddie | pretty much |
| 13:55.46 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: depends on impl |
| 13:55.51 | crashanddie | well, let's try |
| 13:55.53 | crashanddie | Stskeeps, ban me |
| 13:56.11 | *** mode/#maemo [+o Stskeeps] by ChanServ |
| 13:56.14 | *** mode/#maemo [+b crashanddie!*@*] by Stskeeps |
| 13:56.16 | Corsac | Stskeeps: I meant on your implem, obviously |
| 13:56.17 | Stskeeps | man, that feels good.. |
| 13:56.18 | Corsac | :) |
| 13:56.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:56.19 | *** join/#maemo v2px (v2px@gateway/shell/blinkenshell.org/x-yekcvmpweblwufnc) |
| 13:56.50 | Corsac | (changing nickname would me escaping the ban, so I'm pretty sure it shouldn't be allowed) |
| 13:57.34 | visz | cannot speak on channel, when banned |
| 13:57.42 | visz | atleast on some other ircd |
| 13:57.50 | *** join/#maemo trupheenix (~trupheeni@nat/nokia/x-sptjwuhxawcxozvj) |
| 13:58.06 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:58.08 | crashanddie | well |
| 13:58.11 | smhar | jarkkom, which timetable application? |
| 13:58.14 | *** mode/#maemo [-b crashanddie*!*@*] by crashanddie |
| 13:58.33 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:58.39 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: worked? |
| 13:59.13 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:59.14 | crashanddie | glad Stskeeps took his own sweet time to keep me banned, when obviously I wasn't changing my nickname :P |
| 13:59.21 | crashanddie | but I still can't talk when deopped |
| 13:59.29 | *** mode/#maemo [-b crashanddie!*@*] by crashanddie |
| 13:59.46 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 13:59.54 | crashanddie | should be better |
| 13:59.59 | jarkkom | smhar, Helsinki Area Transport provides online XML API for fetching optimal routes through public transport, so got API key from them and wrote client to use that + gps data |
| 14:00.30 | *** join/#maemo udovdh (~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl) |
| 14:00.32 | smhar | jarkkom, interesting |
| 14:00.41 | crashanddie | Corsac, it makes sense you shouldn't be allowed to change your nickname when banned, but still... |
| 14:00.54 | visz | jarkkom, is that app in a repository? |
| 14:01.30 | visz | i've seen a couple implementations of the same stuff, but they were never finished |
| 14:01.38 | jarkkom | no, I would have to keep it closed source because I can't share the API key and wider distribution would need agreement with them |
| 14:02.08 | crashanddie | jarkkom, how long do you want to bet that API key is kept safe if a few of us start looking at it very closely |
| 14:02.19 | jarkkom | just run "strings" on binary :V |
| 14:02.31 | crashanddie | exactly my point |
| 14:03.24 | visz | jarkkom, ah, right. the other apps prolly did not use the api |
| 14:03.26 | *** join/#maemo rd (~rd@p57B490C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 14:04.24 | jarkkom | they also have full XML dump but N900 just doesn't have memory for that even if I serialized that to binary |
| 14:05.27 | jarkkom | I can give you binary though if any of you lives in helsinki area and want to test it promise not to abuse their API :) |
| 14:05.40 | visz | oh, great |
| 14:05.56 | crashanddie | if they're going to promise that, and you really want them to test, then just give the soruce |
| 14:06.05 | *** join/#maemo timeless_mbp (~timeless@a88-115-8-36.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 14:07.53 | jarkkom | I was going to release it as GPL but I don't have time to deal with whatever subcontractor handles API access how to deal with open source projects |
| 14:07.56 | *** join/#maemo willer_ (~willer@189.2.128.130) |
| 14:09.45 | lcuk | jarkkom, so how does closed source make it better? |
| 14:10.20 | jarkkom | it doesn't |
| 14:10.24 | *** join/#maemo hannesw_ (~hannes@80-121-122-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 14:12.22 | *** join/#maemo sheepbat (~lev3k@c-98-238-227-32.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) |
| 14:13.50 | jarkkom | basically binary only releases in cases like that are just covering your ass, "evil hackers stole it" |
| 14:15.42 | *** join/#maemo kerio (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 14:16.55 | *** join/#maemo Wamanuz (~Wamanuz@78-69-168-43-no84.tbcn.telia.com) |
| 14:18.11 | *** join/#maemo krau (~krau@187.59.120.237) |
| 14:19.53 | *** join/#maemo udovdh (~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl) |
| 14:20.20 | MohammadAG | is camera-ui the same size in all firmwares? (as shown by ls -l)? |
| 14:20.20 | smhar | why can not I install some OVI applications available for N900? why it is 'not available for you country'? |
| 14:20.39 | MohammadAG | or the MD5 sum of it |
| 14:20.50 | crashanddie | smhar, licensing issues |
| 14:21.25 | *** join/#maemo josemartins (~quassel@187.115.172.24) |
| 14:21.41 | *** join/#maemo jasd (~dj@HSI-KBW-091-089-114-103.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 14:21.41 | *** join/#maemo jasd (~dj@unaffiliated/jasd) |
| 14:22.04 | *** join/#maemo djszapi_ (~djszapi@hoasnet-fe15dd00-48.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:22.05 | andax | smhar: which country? |
| 14:22.09 | smhar | crashanddie, but my country is just a 'normal' country! it is even a USA Allie :-) |
| 14:22.26 | crashanddie | has nothing to do with the normality of your country |
| 14:22.49 | djszapi_ | if I write an own ioctl kernel function, can I compile a userspace application calling that method ? I would not like to install gcc on the target device, can it be solved somehow from scratchbox or with other bypass ? |
| 14:23.27 | djszapi_ | ( to be clear: to avoid the linker 'undefined reference...' error ) |
| 14:23.34 | crashanddie | it's just Damned Copyright © |
| 14:23.59 | smhar | andax, Bahrain, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bahrain |
| 14:24.42 | smhar | crashanddie, but there must be a reason why certain country is included in the 'ban' |
| 14:25.01 | crashanddie | smhar, because of stupid reasons |
| 14:25.16 | crashanddie | smhar, if you have a problem, contact the copyright holder |
| 14:25.16 | smhar | ?!! |
| 14:25.19 | crashanddie | not #maemo |
| 14:26.28 | smhar | crashanddie, I know it is not a #maemo problem, I just think it is strange. this the second application that I can not install because of this issue |
| 14:27.19 | crashanddie | smhar, I'm still trying to understand why any person in their right mind would attempt to limit the amount of exposure an application/product/movie/tv-show/song can have based on the geographical location of a person. |
| 14:29.30 | MohammadAG | proves crashanddie's point |
| 14:30.01 | MohammadAG | http://www.youtube.com/bullettv (US only), http://www.youtube.com/bullettvsme (international), can't view both |
| 14:30.15 | crashanddie | either* |
| 14:30.17 | MohammadAG | This video contains content from Sony Music Entertainment, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. <- wtf does that even mean |
| 14:30.20 | MohammadAG | goes back to MeeGo |
| 14:30.35 | *** join/#maemo PhonicUK (~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk) |
| 14:31.02 | SpeedEvil | soundtrack usually |
| 14:31.11 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 14:31.11 | GAN900 | What the hell "E: Handler silently failed" |
| 14:31.37 | MohammadAG | GAN900, user/hidden, I have a modified apt for it |
| 14:31.48 | GAN900 | Ah, fennec |
| 14:32.15 | andax | smhar: i could imagine the software you tried to install contained a module with cryptography which possibly is not clear if it is legal or not in Bahrain. |
| 14:32.23 | MohammadAG | GAN900, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/apt_0.7.20.2maemo13.1_0m5latest_armel.deb |
| 14:32.48 | crashanddie | andax, yeah, like Nokia cares about that |
| 14:34.19 | andax | crashanddie: Maybe not Nokia but OECD: http://gilc.org/crypto/crypto-survey-99.html |
| 14:34.36 | *** join/#maemo eMHa (~mh@HSI-KBW-091-089-052-241.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 14:34.47 | *** join/#maemo DrHalan (~DrHalan@91-66-212-209-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 14:35.06 | DrHalan | hey, my n900 freezes at the "nokia" screen on startup... i am kindof clueless... |
| 14:35.22 | crashanddie | andax, and that link tells us exactly diddly squat |
| 14:36.16 | lcuk | DrHalan, doesn't sound healthy. did you install things priot to this happening? |
| 14:36.27 | lcuk | and have you gotten yourself a backup |
| 14:36.40 | mgedmin | freezes for how long? |
| 14:36.45 | DrHalan | nah i just recharged it this night and it turned itself off and now i can't start it anomyre |
| 14:36.49 | mgedmin | I would expect it to boot, eventually, or reboot, eventually |
| 14:36.56 | MohammadAG | and which Nokia logo, the first one or the boot video? |
| 14:37.07 | DrHalan | it vibrates and shows a nokia-screen after some time it vibrates again... |
| 14:37.15 | crashanddie | mohammadAG: the one painted on the hardware :D |
| 14:37.17 | mgedmin | a reboot loop :( |
| 14:37.29 | MohammadAG | crashanddie, lol |
| 14:37.42 | *** part/#maemo djszapi_ (~djszapi@hoasnet-fe15dd00-48.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 14:37.50 | MohammadAG | DrHalan, a framebuffer kernel would help, if you can flash it |
| 14:37.52 | mgedmin | reflashing is the surest fix, but it'll restore everything to factory settings, losing any 3rd-party applications |
| 14:38.05 | mgedmin | user data should be preserved |
| 14:38.17 | mgedmin | (unless you also flash the eMMC image, which would wipe user data too) |
| 14:38.23 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin |
| 14:38.47 | smhar | I hope it is not a WSOD, I've had a couple of those with Nokia devices before. bad experience |
| 14:38.55 | DrHalan | mh guess ill do that |
| 14:39.06 | MohammadAG | no such thing as a WSOD |
| 14:39.18 | DrHalan | but maybe its a hardware issue? to me it seems possible that the power button broke.. |
| 14:39.43 | MohammadAG | DrHalan, flash the framebuffer kernel if you want to find the issue |
| 14:39.57 | smhar | mohammadAG, you mean on N900? |
| 14:39.58 | lcuk | DrHalan, pop out the battery |
| 14:40.07 | lcuk | put it back in and make sure it was charged? |
| 14:40.16 | lcuk | before trying anything drastic *shrug |
| 14:40.21 | *** join/#maemo carloscesa (~carlos@189.2.193.178) |
| 14:40.23 | *** join/#maemo kerio (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 14:40.29 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 14:40.47 | DrHalan | the only way to "turn it on" is to put in the charger cable and then but the battery in and out again |
| 14:40.49 | smhar | mohammadAGgood news |
| 14:42.36 | MohammadAG | DrHalan, the hardware power button isn't tied to any hardware which shuts down the device (i.e like on a PC), the hardware button is handled b y software |
| 14:42.38 | MohammadAG | by* |
| 14:42.47 | MohammadAG | in Maemo 5, that's mce |
| 14:44.42 | *** join/#maemo thexcept1on (~kvirc@unaffiliated/thexception) |
| 14:49.41 | andax | crashanddie: it says Bahrain: None can tell (nobody answered the phone call). Enough for an assumption that it is still the same today |
| 14:50.15 | *** join/#maemo udovdh (~udovdh@pindarots.xs4all.nl) |
| 14:50.34 | ShadowJK | wants nis n900 back |
| 14:50.42 | ShadowJK | this thing is lie an abacus |
| 14:50.46 | ShadowJK | like |
| 14:50.52 | MohammadAG | sends ShadowJK his N900 |
| 14:51.01 | Stskeeps | ShadowJK: cold turkey kicking in? |
| 14:55.12 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 14:56.25 | DrHalan | mh if im flashing anyways...would you guys recommend meego ? i love bleeding edge stuff but maybe it still is too early |
| 14:57.02 | lcuk | meego does not replace the rootfs main maemo OS |
| 14:57.23 | lcuk | so for sure try meego but it will not solve your maemo issue |
| 14:58.43 | MohammadAG | DrHalan, too early, I'm running it right now |
| 14:58.55 | ShadowJK | stskeeps: yeah. ssh on 320x240 screen is making me want to brick myself |
| 14:59.00 | MohammadAG | right now, it is in no way a replacement OS |
| 14:59.07 | DrHalan | oa |
| 14:59.12 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, Symbian device? |
| 14:59.13 | DrHalan | mh alright |
| 14:59.24 | DrHalan | damn there is no flasher-debian package for 64bit |
| 14:59.36 | MohammadAG | --force-architecture |
| 15:00.31 | MohammadAG | Linux mohammad-i5laptop 2.6.35-22-generic #33-Ubuntu SMP Sun Sep 19 20:32:27 UTC 2010 x86_64 GNU/Linux |
| 15:00.35 | ShadowJK | mohammadAG: yes |
| 15:00.38 | *** join/#maemo kerio (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 15:01.15 | ShadowJK | as I said, it's like a stoneage abacus :-( |
| 15:01.21 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, shoot yourself in the head, it hurts less |
| 15:02.47 | crashanddie | So, your assumption is that Nokia is limiting the download of software you don't know the type of based on the already shaky assumption that the software some random dude downloaded had anything to do with encryption, based on the already shaky assumption that Bahrain limits any encryption whatsoever, based on an even more sketchier website where they simply write "We don't know." |
| 15:03.00 | *** join/#maemo mitsutaka (~mitsutaka@122.212.45.242) |
| 15:03.12 | crashanddie | andax, ^ ; do you see why I have a hard time accepting your argumentation? :P |
| 15:04.55 | *** join/#maemo tKMFDM (~tKMFDM@ip5658167f.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 15:05.19 | *** join/#maemo kerio (~kerio92@unaffiliated/kerio92) |
| 15:06.50 | andax | yes, but no, but yes ;-) |
| 15:07.07 | *** join/#maemo calvaris (~calvaris@192.100.124.156) |
| 15:07.30 | andax | "During our first survey, we were contacted by telephone by the Embassy of Bahrain in Washington, D.C. and informed that the agency in Manama, Bahrain that was responsible for regulating the use of cryptography was the Directorate of Islamic Affairs, a component of the Ministry of Justice and Islamic Affairs. A direct query to that agency went unanswered." <- i dont think that sounds too... |
| 15:07.31 | andax | ...sketchy to mention an assumption on top of their story |
| 15:13.30 | *** join/#maemo salman_ (~salman@109.161.137.161) |
| 15:13.46 | *** join/#maemo Zucca (zucca@cs181186108.pp.htv.fi) |
| 15:15.04 | *** join/#maemo dvoid_ (~dvoid@h230n4-sde-a31.ias.bredband.telia.com) |
| 15:18.55 | *** join/#maemo mirr0r (flugel@6d4822d1.ftth.concepts.nl) |
| 15:19.22 | *** join/#maemo superchode (~TK421@83.86.69.251) |
| 15:21.08 | *** join/#maemo maybeHere (cl@p4FE9BF39.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:24.01 | *** join/#maemo jpe_ (~jpe@d51528382.access.telenet.be) |
| 15:25.54 | GAN900 | New Fennec beta: As slow and useless as the last. |
| 15:26.22 | superchode | hrm. WinSCP is having a lot of trouble connecting/staying connected to the N900 for some reason. |
| 15:26.23 | *** join/#maemo KMFDM (~tKMFDM@ip5658167f.direct-adsl.nl) |
| 15:26.52 | *** join/#maemo mikhas (~michael@cs181130096.pp.htv.fi) |
| 15:27.09 | GAN900 | Is Fennec in MeeGo going to be this XUL mess or native? |
| 15:28.07 | Stskeeps | meego 1.1 fennec is my nemesis, currently |
| 15:28.16 | Stskeeps | 1.2 will hopefully be better. |
| 15:28.58 | superchode | what's the general concensus on best method of moving a lot of files to the N900? |
| 15:29.57 | BCMM | superchode: from what? |
| 15:30.03 | superchode | a PC |
| 15:30.08 | BCMM | superchode: USB MSC is fastest |
| 15:30.51 | mgedmin | ssh connections are sometimes hampered by an access point implementing wifi power savings incorrectly |
| 15:30.53 | BCMM | for me, rsync is always substantially slower, even over USB networking with compression |
| 15:31.06 | mgedmin | a workaround is to fiddle in the n900 connection settings and reduce the power savings level, at the cost of some battery life |
| 15:31.19 | mgedmin | scp/rsync is slow (but convenient, and wireless) |
| 15:31.46 | BCMM | superchode: are these files, in total, a lot of data, or just a large number of small files? |
| 15:31.51 | superchode | yeah. was using scp in the past... it's slow, but was very reliable. not sure why i can't maintain a connection, at the moment |
| 15:31.53 | *** join/#maemo Passeli (~passeli@85-23-79-231.bb.dnainternet.fi) |
| 15:32.02 | mgedmin | usb isn't exactly screaming fast -- mmc write speed becomes the bottleneck, and then hildon-media-thumbnailer starts trying to burn your cpu out |
| 15:32.08 | superchode | drag and drop within win7 generally fails, at some point |
| 15:32.08 | mgedmin | for hours |
| 15:32.10 | GAN900 | Sheesh, does Fennec launch a tracker process on first boot or something. . . . |
| 15:32.14 | *** join/#maemo mikedg (d0edb2e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.237.178.229) |
| 15:32.14 | mgedmin | well, maybe minutes |
| 15:32.18 | *** part/#maemo mikedg (d0edb2e5@gateway/web/freenode/ip.208.237.178.229) |
| 15:32.21 | BCMM | win7 generally fails, at some point |
| 15:32.23 | GAN900 | Locked the whole device up cold for a couple of minutes. |
| 15:32.28 | *** join/#maemo Phong_ (~Administr@75-147-87-18-Philadelphia.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 15:32.37 | BCMM | does anybody know why tracker isn't just run nice? |
| 15:32.55 | *** join/#maemo merlin1991 (~x@84.114.238.170) |
| 15:32.59 | lcuk | superchode, is it the connection itself thats varying wildly? ie underlying network transport issues |
| 15:33.02 | *** join/#maemo djszapi_ (~djszapi@hoasnet-fe15dd00-48.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:33.03 | lcuk | try just pinging |
| 15:33.21 | djszapi_ | how can I build 32 bit binary in scratchbox ? There is no general -m32 or --arch option. |
| 15:33.30 | Phong_ | hi guys, i'm very new to nokia sdk |
| 15:33.34 | BCMM | horrible hack, but i feel as if the n900 could be substantially improved with a script to renice a few of the resource hogs after boot |
| 15:33.39 | Phong_ | anyone know the steps to get it going? |
| 15:33.56 | superchode | ping from the phone or to the phone? |
| 15:34.02 | Phong_ | hello. |
| 15:34.13 | lcuk | BCMM, technically making tracker take longer just extends the pain |
| 15:34.25 | Phong_ | does anyone know where i can begin to start the sdk? |
| 15:34.31 | lcuk | mgedmin, yeah I filed bug against it when I noticed it |
| 15:34.50 | BCMM | lcuk: it wouldn't be anything like as bad niced though, would it? |
| 15:35.09 | Phong_ | BCMM, know what need to get nokia sdk ? |
| 15:35.12 | lcuk | try it |
| 15:35.20 | lcuk | on like for like tests |
| 15:35.21 | BCMM | Phong_: what OS are you on? |
| 15:35.26 | Phong_ | i'm very new...and interested on progrmming nokia app |
| 15:35.27 | mgedmin | I somehow doubt nicing would help |
| 15:35.28 | Phong_ | win xp |
| 15:35.29 | BCMM | lcuk: i wouldn't know how |
| 15:35.40 | BCMM | lcuk: also, are you saying i should, or retorically saying that you have and it's not nice |
| 15:35.42 | BCMM | ? |
| 15:35.45 | mgedmin | a lot of I/O makes a linux system slow |
| 15:35.58 | mgedmin | (and also wipes disk caches, with the same result) |
| 15:35.59 | BCMM | Phong_: i've never heard of that OS, ask someone else |
| 15:36.20 | Phong_ | is this a nokia dev chat? |
| 15:36.43 | Phong_ | is this a Nokia Development chat room? |
| 15:36.50 | BCMM | mgedmin: using storage with 0 seek time should substantially reduce the ability of a low-priority, high-IO process to interfere with other processes |
| 15:37.02 | lcuk | Phong_, yes, you should be able to create and build and test an app using the nokia qt sdk on your n900 |
| 15:37.04 | BCMM | Phong_: this isn't a chat room, it's an IRC channel |
| 15:37.21 | *** join/#maemo Venemo (~communi@catv-89-132-105-133.catv.broadband.hu) |
| 15:37.26 | *** join/#maemo mikki-kun (~mikki-kun@130-137.79-83.cust.bluewin.ch) |
| 15:37.36 | Phong_ | qt, i dont have a phone yet...so i can't do anything? |
| 15:37.37 | lcuk | BCMM, no need to be a pedant |
| 15:37.37 | BCMM | Phong_: and in practise, all sorts of things get discussed here, including both user and development issues |
| 15:37.45 | lcuk | Phong_, there is a simulator in the sdk |
| 15:37.50 | lcuk | but you have to read the docs |
| 15:37.51 | BCMM | lcuk: well, i'm getting the impression he doesn't get IRC etiquette yet |
| 15:37.55 | Phong_ | which version of qt? |
| 15:38.01 | lcuk | does it matter? |
| 15:38.11 | Phong_ | i dont know. m asking u |
| 15:38.35 | *** join/#maemo chittoor (~chittoor@listertech.in) |
| 15:38.52 | *** join/#maemo dneary (~dneary@ALyon-152-1-22-199.w83-201.abo.wanadoo.fr) |
| 15:38.52 | *** join/#maemo dneary (~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary) |
| 15:38.54 | BCMM | "the SDK" refers to scratchbox, right? |
| 15:38.56 | mgedmin | what's a Nokia SDK anyway? |
| 15:39.08 | mgedmin | the Qt one? |
| 15:39.19 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:39.32 | lcuk | Phong_, http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html |
| 15:39.32 | mgedmin | finds http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html |
| 15:39.41 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:39.45 | *** join/#maemo hcm (~hcm@port-92-193-77-48.dynamic.qsc.de) |
| 15:39.49 | lcuk | high 5s mgedmin |
| 15:40.07 | BCMM | Phong_: for running your app without an n900, there is an environment called scratchbox which can sorta-emulate an n900 |
| 15:40.19 | BCMM | Phong_: it runs on linux only, but i believe there is a vmware image or something |
| 15:40.49 | Phong_ | lcuk is it the 923mb one? |
| 15:41.04 | lindi- | Phong_: no vmware involved afaik |
| 15:41.18 | lindi- | BCMM: scratchbox1 or 2? |
| 15:41.21 | lcuk | Phong_, IDK possibly |
| 15:41.35 | BCMM | lcuk, mgedmin: oh, i didn't know about that. how does that fit with scratchbox? is it an alternative? a replacement? |
| 15:41.36 | mgedmin | I think there were three SDKs for the N900 total: Maemo SDK (scratchbox), MADDE, and now the Nokia Qt SDK |
| 15:41.50 | mgedmin | or is MADDE just a beta version for the Qt SDK? |
| 15:41.56 | BCMM | and how does "the QT Simulator" work? |
| 15:42.01 | lcuk | I think MADDE is in the middle of the nokia qt sdk |
| 15:42.03 | *** join/#maemo kW (~kW@pD9EAB819.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 15:42.03 | *** join/#maemo kW (~kW@unaffiliated/kw) |
| 15:42.22 | Phong_ | IDK |
| 15:42.29 | lcuk | BCMM, now if you we were following etiquette, should we tell you to RTFM |
| 15:42.30 | Phong_ | come on...guys , think of me as a noob |
| 15:43.11 | mgedmin | has never used MADDE _or_ the Qt SDK, so /me can't possibly help ... |
| 15:43.13 | BCMM | lcuk: which? what i've found is fairly minimal, and somewhat contradictory |
| 15:43.39 | Phong_ | lcuk, i download the 923MB now |
| 15:43.43 | lcuk | Phong_, well try and install it and tell us, the nokia qt sdk is not the standard maemo development target |
| 15:43.53 | BCMM | lcuk: btw, all i meant by the etiquette comment was that he'd highlighted me without any reason to think that i could help |
| 15:44.27 | lcuk | but if it produces good apps and follows the qt baseline then its a good alternative :) |
| 15:44.34 | Phong_ | i have not a clue much of what u're saying...just tell me what i need to program for nokia phone |
| 15:44.52 | Phong_ | i'm currently downloading the qt now...the 923mb one. |
| 15:45.06 | mgedmin | Phong_, which phone in particular? Are you targeting Symbian or Maemo? |
| 15:45.08 | lcuk | so, you are getting the Nokia Qt SDK? |
| 15:45.19 | MohammadAG | the Qt SDK is awesome |
| 15:45.20 | lcuk | any idea what SDK means? |
| 15:45.24 | Phong_ | what is the different maemo |
| 15:45.32 | mgedmin | different OSes |
| 15:45.34 | Phong_ | oh |
| 15:45.40 | mgedmin | the only Nokia phone with Maemo is the N900 |
| 15:45.49 | Phong_ | what about Nokia n8 |
| 15:45.51 | Phong_ | or nokia n97 |
| 15:45.54 | mgedmin | all other Nokia smartphones use Symbian (Series 60, to be more specific) |
| 15:45.59 | mgedmin | those are Symbian phones |
| 15:46.03 | Phong_ | ok then i want symbian |
| 15:46.03 | mgedmin | this channel is for Maemo |
| 15:46.08 | mgedmin | I know nothing about Symbian |
| 15:46.16 | Phong_ | i'm in wrong channel? |
| 15:46.19 | mgedmin | yes |
| 15:46.22 | Phong_ | wow |
| 15:46.27 | Phong_ | lol this is crazy for me. |
| 15:46.28 | mgedmin | yes, well, it's confusing |
| 15:46.35 | Phong_ | whre can i find the right channel |
| 15:46.44 | mgedmin | actually, Qt can be used to develop Symbian apps; it may be the Nokia Qt SDK works for both Maemo and Symbian |
| 15:46.44 | lcuk | the Nokia Qt SDK also has a symbian device target I believe? |
| 15:46.49 | mgedmin | I don't know, since I've never used it myself |
| 15:47.10 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 15:47.37 | Phong_ | there is only 1 phone device that run maemo |
| 15:47.39 | Phong_ | ??? |
| 15:47.46 | Phong_ | hmm |
| 15:48.18 | Phong_ | please tell me what is the right channel for symbian dev |
| 15:50.06 | mgedmin | oh, I lied |
| 15:50.11 | mgedmin | no, I didn't |
| 15:50.17 | mgedmin | 770, N800 and N810 weren't phones |
| 15:50.23 | *** join/#maemo luke-jr_ (~luke-jr@2002:62b3:1d4c:0:20e:a6ff:fec4:4e5d) |
| 15:50.29 | Phong_ | mgedmin, n8 is |
| 15:51.17 | lcuk | Phong_, what kind of app do you want to write? |
| 15:51.34 | Phong_ | lcuk learning...not specific |
| 15:51.51 | Phong_ | lcuk, consider pre-101 symbian |
| 15:51.54 | Phong_ | ;) |
| 15:51.59 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:51.59 | MohammadAG | <lcuk> the Nokia Qt SDK also has a symbian device target I believe? |
| 15:52.07 | Phong_ | luck or symbian for dummy |
| 15:52.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, but couldn't find it on the linux version of the SDK |
| 15:52.13 | mgedmin | n9 will be a meego phone, and meego is the successor to maemo |
| 15:52.28 | MohammadAG | maemo will always be maemo |
| 15:52.33 | Phong_ | n9? |
| 15:52.36 | Phong_ | it's N8 |
| 15:52.39 | MohammadAG | meego isn't really a successor, it's a new basebone |
| 15:52.48 | MohammadAG | no, N9, the next Maemo 6 device |
| 15:52.55 | *** part/#maemo djszapi_ (~djszapi@hoasnet-fe15dd00-48.dhcp.inet.fi) |
| 15:52.55 | MohammadAG | Harmattan |
| 15:53.00 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:53.29 | Phong_ | lcuk i have downloaded the qt at 82% completed. |
| 15:53.40 | Phong_ | luck, pretty big file |
| 15:53.48 | lcuk | awesome, irc progress bars |
| 15:53.53 | Phong_ | lcuk is that all i need? |
| 15:54.11 | Phong_ | lcuk just the qt? |
| 15:54.32 | mgedmin | not enough ascii art! |
| 15:54.39 | mgedmin | [==================> ] 82% |
| 15:54.46 | *** join/#maemo vanadis (~vanadis@cust.static.84-253-9-113.cybernet.ch) |
| 15:54.54 | lcuk | I am sure its over 82% now |
| 15:54.57 | lcuk | hits f5 |
| 15:55.02 | Phong_ | lol |
| 15:55.03 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:55.09 | Phong_ | yeah it's 92now |
| 15:55.40 | Phong_ | lcuk is completed now.. let me do the installation... |
| 15:56.04 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:56.43 | mgedmin | eagerly awaits ascii-arted screenshots pasted in this channel ... NOT |
| 15:57.28 | Phong_ | lcuk is that all i need? the qt? |
| 15:57.51 | MohammadAG | the Qt? |
| 15:58.05 | MohammadAG | doesn't sound geeky enough for #maemo :P |
| 15:58.08 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:58.25 | Phong_ | mohammadAG funny? |
| 15:58.37 | andax | Ah, you brought me an idea mgedmin, is it possible to run the Ovi Maps from N810 on the N900? I could imagine it is better when using the device offline... |
| 15:58.48 | *** join/#maemo davyg (~davyg@2a01:e35:8b2b:fac0:221:5dff:fe95:a18) |
| 15:58.56 | mgedmin | meh, ovi maps sucks on both platforms |
| 15:58.56 | MohammadAG | Phong_, are you running on linux or windows |
| 15:59.08 | Phong_ | windows xp pro. |
| 15:59.08 | mgedmin | why not use maemo-mapper (which was renamed to Mappero), or Maep? |
| 15:59.10 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 15:59.14 | MohammadAG | cause as I said above, I couldn't find an S60 emulator on linux.. k |
| 15:59.16 | andax | mgedmin: no good news :( |
| 16:00.51 | andax | well, i will try mappero as soon as my package installer works again o_O |
| 16:01.13 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:01.47 | RST38h | Mohammad: How about MADDE? |
| 16:02.01 | RST38h | Mohammad: It should let you develop Qt apps for Symbian, no? |
| 16:02.15 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:03.20 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:04.22 | *** join/#maemo igagis (~igagis@cs181109083.pp.htv.fi) |
| 16:04.31 | *** join/#maemo the_lord (~david@190.201.87.59) |
| 16:05.25 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:05.26 | *** join/#maemo fcrochik (~fcrochik@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 16:06.19 | *** join/#maemo fcrochik (~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 16:06.26 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:08.28 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:09.29 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:11.31 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:12.33 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:12.45 | *** join/#maemo fcrochik (~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 16:13.38 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:15.01 | *** join/#maemo larsivi (~quassel@188.113.74.106) |
| 16:15.40 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:16.22 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~user@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 16:16.41 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:18.43 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:19.45 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:21.39 | andax | is exploring mappero now :-) |
| 16:21.49 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:21.59 | mgedmin | maep is faster/slicker; mappero is more featureful |
| 16:22.50 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:23.10 | DrHalan | mh shouldn't my computer detect the n900 as a mobile storage or so? |
| 16:23.17 | *** join/#maemo rd (~rd@p57B490C7.dip0.t-ipconnect.de) |
| 16:23.30 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@84.13.69.83) |
| 16:23.45 | jacekowski | not straight away |
| 16:23.53 | jacekowski | you have to click on a phone |
| 16:24.52 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:24.52 | mgedmin | when you plug in the usb cable, the n900 presents a menu: usb storage / nokia pc suite / charging only |
| 16:25.53 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:27.47 | *** join/#maemo jacktheripper (~jacktheri@196.221.74.52) |
| 16:27.55 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:28.59 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:31.03 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:31.23 | jacktheripper | is the vanilla PR1.2 kernel available for download somewhere ? (no thanks I don't want to download 180MB for a kernel :D) |
| 16:31.49 | MohammadAG | yes, sec |
| 16:32.12 | *** join/#maemo DrWilken (~drwilken@0x4dd5c0f1.adsl.cybercity.dk) |
| 16:32.16 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage.bin |
| 16:32.29 | jacktheripper | thanks! |
| 16:32.35 | MohammadAG | I should remove the .bin, server allows no extension files |
| 16:32.40 | MohammadAG | yw |
| 16:33.47 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 16:33.49 | jacktheripper | do I need any other file (like an initrd for example) to boot directly with flasher without copying to rootfs ? |
| 16:34.27 | DrHalan | mh |
| 16:34.49 | DrHalan | i managed to startup the n900 and saw the loading bar and after that a strange sound game (like a beep) and it turned of.. |
| 16:35.10 | SpeedEvil | DrHalan: it''s probably the 'emergency battery shutoff noise. |
| 16:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Which is wierd |
| 16:35.22 | DrHalan | but i have plugged in all the time before.. |
| 16:35.27 | DrHalan | maybe the charging is broken? :( |
| 16:35.41 | DrHalan | but i have this yellow light that indicates charging |
| 16:35.42 | SpeedEvil | were you tethering? |
| 16:36.25 | DrHalan | nah i never did that |
| 16:36.36 | DrHalan | but now i try to connect it to my computer maybe it works then... |
| 16:37.28 | SpeedEvil | ~flatbat |
| 16:37.41 | SpeedEvil | ~flatbattery |
| 16:37.50 | DrHalan | is the display supposed to show anything when charging? |
| 16:37.53 | pupnik_ | Nokia: 3000 mAh tablet battery!? << what? |
| 16:37.57 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 16:38.03 | SpeedEvil | not if it's very flat |
| 16:38.08 | SpeedEvil | ~help |
| 16:38.49 | SpeedEvil | pupnik_: ? |
| 16:39.44 | pupnik_ | SpeedEvil: look how easly 3000 mAh fits |
| 16:41.45 | *** join/#maemo James_Littler (~chatzilla@cpc1-cosh7-0-0-cust95.6-1.cable.virginmedia.com) |
| 16:42.28 | MohammadAG | pupnik_, err... |
| 16:42.46 | MohammadAG | if a 3000 mAh battery has the same size as a 1320 one, it's not 3000 |
| 16:43.08 | pupnik_ | fits within the form factor MohammadAG - 2x 1500mAh |
| 16:43.26 | SpeedEvil | covers cam |
| 16:43.29 | *** join/#maemo olebrom (~olejakob@89.151.250.74.nteb.no) |
| 16:43.31 | pupnik_ | you could get 4000 mAh if you didn't need space for wifi and camera |
| 16:44.02 | *** join/#maemo nsuffys (~sabayon5P@108.246.146.195.dynamic.adsl.abo.nordnet.fr) |
| 16:44.08 | *** join/#maemo zs (~zs@188-223-195-142.zone14.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:45.29 | *** join/#maemo FireFly|n900 (~n900@unaffiliated/firefly) |
| 16:45.46 | jacekowski | you can get 60Ah if you are willing to carry 10kg battery with you |
| 16:46.08 | MohammadAG | bme will probably blow up |
| 16:46.33 | mikhas | 60Ah ...hm ... |
| 16:46.39 | SpeedEvil | wants a step-charger. |
| 16:48.28 | DrHalan | <PROTECTED> |
| 16:49.07 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 16:49.07 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 16:50.29 | jacktheripper | can I access rootfs when the device is stuck in a reboot loop ? :S |
| 16:52.33 | MohammadAG | you'll need a script, backupmenu would be one |
| 16:52.36 | MohammadAG | to start an ssh server |
| 16:52.41 | *** join/#maemo bmidgley (~bmidgley@c-76-27-89-77.hsd1.ut.comcast.net) |
| 16:52.55 | MohammadAG | or you could install a minimal backup OS with USB networking, then isntall |
| 16:53.00 | MohammadAG | install a custom kernel for that |
| 16:53.04 | MohammadAG | meego would be one |
| 16:53.09 | *** join/#maemo kthomas_vh_ (~kthomas@bzq-218-125-200.red.bezeqint.net) |
| 16:53.14 | MohammadAG | though it's not exactly minimal |
| 16:53.25 | DrHalan | argh -.- |
| 16:53.38 | jacktheripper | I tried a minimal OS, http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd |
| 16:53.39 | MohammadAG | 400MB download |
| 16:53.42 | DrHalan | the usb logo doesn't appear so guess the battery isN#t charged |
| 16:54.03 | jacktheripper | it didn't expose rootfs. Just the eMMC |
| 16:54.17 | *** join/#maemo spinningcompass (~hugo@adsl-99-38-192-112.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 16:54.41 | MohammadAG | jacktheripper, |
| 16:54.41 | jacktheripper | and if I get MeeGo, wouldn't I have to flash rootfs ? :D |
| 16:54.50 | MohammadAG | load ubifs module |
| 16:54.53 | MohammadAG | then mount it |
| 16:55.09 | MohammadAG | jacktheripper, meego doesn't fit in 256MBs |
| 16:55.30 | jacktheripper | how's it installed on N900s then ? |
| 16:56.26 | jacktheripper | and how do I load that module ? (USB recovery mode still doesn't give me rootfs, even at /) |
| 16:56.32 | *** join/#maemo bsh_nohighlight (~Bash@94-193-105-245.zone7.bethere.co.uk) |
| 16:57.30 | DrWilken | modprobe ubifs? |
| 16:57.58 | jacktheripper | oh on my PC. AFAIR I didn't find a device file related to rootfs |
| 17:02.54 | DrHalan | does it make sense to flash my device to the newest firmwareà |
| 17:03.52 | DrHalan | or does the package manager take care of that? |
| 17:04.12 | DrWilken | You might as well flash it with the newest fw from the start. Why not? |
| 17:06.40 | DrHalan | well iirc maemo has a package manager. does it update the system stuff too? |
| 17:07.10 | DrWilken | yes |
| 17:07.27 | DrHalan | so flashing wouldn't change anything |
| 17:08.11 | DrWilken | it would overwrite it |
| 17:08.57 | *** join/#maemo FIQ|n900 (~user@unaffiliated/fiq) |
| 17:09.48 | *** part/#maemo DrHalan (~DrHalan@91-66-212-209-dynip.superkabel.de) |
| 17:12.56 | RST38h | 32GB MicroSDHCs are now<$100 |
| 17:13.09 | SpeedEvil | Boooring. |
| 17:13.16 | SpeedEvil | I want a 32 exabyte card. |
| 17:13.18 | RST38h | Of course they are Class2, so beware |
| 17:13.19 | DrWilken | ... but still slow... :) |
| 17:13.21 | SpeedEvil | And a puppy. |
| 17:13.52 | Getkeys | http://www.anandtech.com/show/3967/the-tmobile-g2-preview/2 wtf is that plastic hinge thing |
| 17:22.34 | *** join/#maemo krau (~krau@canuck.infradead.org) |
| 17:26.30 | *** join/#maemo hurbu (~hurbanza@88-149-238-107.dynamic.ngi.it) |
| 17:28.25 | *** join/#maemo AlMehdi (~AlMehdi@c-db31e255.03-135-6c756c90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:28.32 | *** part/#maemo AlMehdi (~AlMehdi@c-db31e255.03-135-6c756c90.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) |
| 17:31.28 | James_Littler | hi, does anyone know how long developer account activation takes? I need to use the Autobuilder. Thanks |
| 17:32.50 | *** join/#maemo eMHa (~mh@HSI-KBW-091-089-033-054.hsi2.kabelbw.de) |
| 17:34.55 | *** join/#maemo piggz (~piggz@84.13.69.83) |
| 17:37.17 | *** join/#maemo ftrvxmtrx (~i515i@mm-183-128-84-93.dynamic.pppoe.mgts.by) |
| 17:37.55 | jacktheripper | James_Littler, it took less than 24hrs for me. |
| 17:39.22 | *** join/#maemo fcrochik (~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 17:40.24 | James_Littler | great, thanks |
| 17:42.35 | *** join/#maemo Dialekt (~Dialekt@cpe-76-170-247-154.socal.res.rr.com) |
| 17:47.36 | *** join/#maemo drtylbstr_ (4d695726@gateway/web/freenode/ip.77.105.87.38) |
| 17:52.09 | Phong_ | is there such as qt plug in for eclipse? |
| 17:52.38 | *** join/#maemo lcukn900 (~lcuk@82.132.248.108) |
| 17:57.07 | *** join/#maemo RevdKathy (~RevdKathy@5ace036c.bb.sky.com) |
| 17:58.02 | MohammadAG | hi RevdKathy |
| 17:59.04 | *** join/#maemo guardian (~guardian@i07v-62-34-48-83.d4.club-internet.fr) |
| 17:59.08 | RevdKathy | Hi MohammadAG! Hi all. :) |
| 17:59.51 | *** join/#maemo zap (~zap@178.130.21.28) |
| 17:59.59 | *** join/#maemo divan (~divan@212.90.177.150) |
| 18:00.09 | *** join/#maemo lolloo (~user@94.96.44.147) |
| 18:02.04 | andax | hi |
| 18:02.25 | divan | hi guys, i'm trying to make a video screencast on n900 and to achieve most optimal results, I use rawvideo ffmeg codec and convert it to mp4 on standalone computer. Everything seems to be great and fps is around 15frames, but I have one problem - the video after encoding to mpeg4 moves from the right to left - looks like some issues with vertical synchronization. |
| 18:02.29 | spinningcompass | Phong_: Yes. |
| 18:02.44 | spinningcompass | Phong_: http://qt.nokia.com/developer/eclipse-integration/ |
| 18:03.00 | divan | on the n900, I run such command: ffmpeg -f x11grab -vsync 0 -s 800x480 -r 15 -i :0.0 -vcodec rawvideo -sameq -y test.avi |
| 18:03.53 | divan | then copy test.avi over scp to my desktop and then run: ffmpeg -vcodec rawvideo -pix_fmt rgb565 -r 15 -s 800x480 -f rawvideo -i ./test.avi -r 15 -sameq -vcodec mpeg4 -y output.avi |
| 18:04.58 | divan | Any suggestions? Video just slowly moves to the left, like the 0 X-coordinate constantly descreasing in loop.. |
| 18:06.19 | *** join/#maemo vanadismobile (~user@gprs45.swisscom-mobile.ch) |
| 18:12.11 | *** join/#maemo drizztbsd (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd) |
| 18:14.07 | *** join/#maemo lolloo (~user@94.96.44.147) |
| 18:18.55 | tybollt | why |
| 18:18.59 | tybollt | d jaaksi resing? |
| 18:19.25 | jacktheripper | it just can't be bootloop > reflash. There has to be an easier way to recovery :S |
| 18:19.45 | tybollt | hello? |
| 18:21.45 | *** join/#maemo pinheiro (~pinheiro@bl15-4-87.dsl.telepac.pt) |
| 18:23.49 | *** join/#maemo s1gk1ll (sigkill@cl-188.lis-01.pt.sixxs.net) |
| 18:29.45 | *** join/#maemo kakashi_ (~kakashi_@77.243.73.11) |
| 18:29.45 | *** join/#maemo kakashi_ (~kakashi_@nltk/kakashi) |
| 18:33.01 | *** join/#maemo vanadismobile (~user@gprs45.swisscom-mobile.ch) |
| 18:35.06 | kerio | jacktheripper: backupmenu |
| 18:35.09 | GAN900 | tybollt, nobody knows. |
| 18:36.41 | tybollt | GAN900: well that is frankly a load of BS :) |
| 18:37.14 | tybollt | 'there are people in this very channel whom I am 110% certain knows _exactly_, granted, they are probably on NDA :) |
| 18:37.35 | *** join/#maemo felipec (~felipec@a91-153-253-80.elisa-laajakaista.fi) |
| 18:37.48 | tybollt | but really - there must be some kind of speculation going on :) |
| 18:38.06 | tybollt | reading TMO for the first time in ... long time :) |
| 18:39.40 | jacktheripper | kerio, and if I already bootlooped my device without even knowing there was a solution ? is there anything that can help me ? |
| 18:39.40 | *** join/#maemo fcrochik (~communi@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com) |
| 18:39.46 | kerio | hmm |
| 18:39.48 | kerio | prayer? |
| 18:40.11 | jacktheripper | see ? that's what I'm talking about xD |
| 18:40.26 | *** join/#maemo BigWookie (~BigWookie@p5797F7BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 18:40.33 | *** join/#maemo shmengie (~shmengie@c-66-177-132-3.hsd1.fl.comcast.net) |
| 18:40.34 | BCMM | jacktheripper: reflashing isn't a big deal |
| 18:40.41 | BCMM | jacktheripper: you may only need to reflash the kernel |
| 18:40.48 | jacktheripper | BCMM, I don't want my tons of apps removed |
| 18:41.01 | jacktheripper | hmm |
| 18:41.04 | *** join/#maemo paroneayea (~user@fsf/member/paroneayea) |
| 18:41.20 | BCMM | jacktheripper: there are various types of reflash |
| 18:41.23 | BigWookie | Hi, I want to start developing with the NokiaQtSDK for Maemo and MADDY, is there a proper Documentation/Getting started Anywhere? |
| 18:41.27 | BCMM | jacktheripper: it is possible to flash just the kernel |
| 18:41.31 | jacktheripper | BCMM, yes I noticed |
| 18:42.21 | BCMM | jacktheripper: well, that doesn't involve losing your apps |
| 18:42.42 | jacktheripper | I think the problem lies in the power kernel, before the loop, I had just removed the kernel (through apt-get (big mistake ?)) and rebooted. It still boots using it. |
| 18:42.45 | BCMM | anyone know how that works, btw? is there a little bit of dedicated memory just for the bootloader somewhere? |
| 18:43.04 | GAN900 | tybollt, OK, nobody HERE knows who can talk about it. |
| 18:43.04 | BCMM | jacktheripper: well, power kernel does come with large warnings to not do that |
| 18:43.15 | BCMM | jacktheripper: i thought you said it didn't boot? |
| 18:43.17 | tybollt | GAN900: thank you :) |
| 18:43.41 | jacktheripper | BCMM, boot loop |
| 18:43.41 | BCMM | jacktheripper: anyway, it seems like you have no kernel. flash a kernel to the device |
| 18:44.06 | jacktheripper | BCMM, I have a kernel. R&D mode shows the kernel name. If I flash only the kernel image will it fix this ? |
| 18:44.17 | BCMM | jacktheripper: i don't know |
| 18:44.25 | BCMM | i can't remember how R&D mode works |
| 18:44.35 | jacktheripper | not about that. |
| 18:44.46 | jacktheripper | R&D shows some info on the Nokia screen, it shows the kernel name. |
| 18:44.58 | jacktheripper | I was asking if flashing the kernel would replace the power kernel. |
| 18:45.11 | tybollt | GAN900: still when there |
| 18:45.28 | tybollt | GAN900: still when there's not even a good hint out there it smells fishy. Coverup etc... :-/ |
| 18:45.50 | BCMM | jacktheripper: flashing the kernel will cause you to use whatever kernel you flashed, if that's what you mean |
| 18:45.50 | GAN900 | tybollt, given my experience, I'm not sure what to make of it. |
| 18:46.02 | GAN900 | Although it doesn't particularly bother me. |
| 18:46.08 | jacktheripper | BCMM, good enough. Do I need the FIASCO image or there's some other 'smaller' solution ? |
| 18:46.13 | tybollt | gan: It does me |
| 18:46.15 | BCMM | jacktheripper: i don't know |
| 18:46.18 | divan | did anyone try to grab video from the framebuffer with ffmpeg rawvideo demuxer? |
| 18:46.19 | *** join/#maemo dos11 (~dos@unaffiliated/dos1) |
| 18:46.25 | jacktheripper | BCMM, ok, thanks for the help |
| 18:46.26 | GAN900 | Jaaksi was never really very open source in his approach to open source. |
| 18:46.44 | tybollt | ugh ok? |
| 18:46.48 | tybollt | GAN900: though |
| 18:46.54 | GAN900 | So I wouldn't assume it had anything to do with the company shifting in a direction we might not like. |
| 18:47.10 | tybollt | I don't really care about that, more like why did he leave - what is about to happen that he is leaving because of ;) |
| 18:47.27 | tybollt | GAN900: uhuh |
| 18:47.45 | tybollt | GAN900: there rumours nokia's up for sale has been floating around for some time |
| 18:47.50 | BCMM | jacktheripper: so does it boot in r&d mode or what? |
| 18:47.58 | GAN900 | tybollt, sure, he basically brought the use of open source technology to Nokia, but he was never one to put open source ideals into practice. |
| 18:48.07 | BCMM | jacktheripper: i don't know how it works; is it possible that it displays the name of the kernel before trying to load it? |
| 18:48.09 | GAN900 | tybollt, I can't see it. |
| 18:48.25 | GAN900 | Not the arrogant Finns. |
| 18:48.42 | jacktheripper | BCMM, I don't really know what R&D mode is. So far, it does nothing but displaying some extra information and disabling watchdogs (those reboot the device automatically if it didn't boot the 'official' way) |
| 18:49.25 | BCMM | in any case, it sounds like you need to flash a kernel |
| 18:49.41 | jacktheripper | BCMM, I will. |
| 18:49.53 | tybollt | Well all finns are arrogant really... |
| 18:49.56 | BCMM | so is there a seperate bit of memory just for loading the kernel from or what? |
| 18:50.17 | GAN900 | tybollt, I think the biggest thing we're likely to see from his resignation will be the direction his replacement decides to push things in. |
| 18:50.59 | tybollt | will there be one? |
| 18:51.40 | *** join/#maemo swc|666 (~neopwn@unaffiliated/swc666/x-4934821) |
| 18:51.53 | tybollt | praps they'll replace him w/ an intel exec and skew meego@nokia |
| 18:51.56 | tybollt | ' |
| 18:54.16 | GAN900 | Hehe |
| 18:54.16 | *** join/#maemo smhar (~stranger@46.42.117.70) |
| 18:56.01 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 18:56.09 | RST38h | is practically forcing himself not to unsubscribe from Mohammad's threads |
| 18:56.32 | RST38h | Heavy, incredibly heavy lemmng infestation. And yes, their N900s are all broken and nothing works for them. |
| 18:59.29 | jacktheripper | BCMM, the kernel and most of the filesystem is on rootfs. |
| 18:59.38 | BCMM | jacktheripper: so how does flashing the kernel work? |
| 18:59.48 | jacktheripper | BCMM, copy/paste :D |
| 19:00.14 | jacktheripper | BCMM, it isn't really 'flashing'. Rootfs can be written to like any other filesystem. The kernel is just copied onto it |
| 19:00.20 | BCMM | ah |
| 19:00.33 | BCMM | so how does the boot process work? presumably there is some kind of custom bootloader? |
| 19:02.14 | BigWookie | Umm I try to use a emulator for the N900 with madde (atm freemantle ) but at boot it says "no initfs" |
| 19:02.59 | *** join/#maemo spinningcompass (~hugo@adsl-99-38-192-189.dsl.frs2ca.sbcglobal.net) |
| 19:05.56 | jacekowski | ignore that |
| 19:05.57 | jacekowski | that's normall |
| 19:06.25 | BigWookie | hmm i cant even ping the emulator |
| 19:06.45 | *** join/#maemo mardi (~mardi@41.94.2.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 19:07.17 | jacekowski | because it's not booting probably |
| 19:07.25 | jacekowski | you should get something after that no initfs |
| 19:07.33 | jacekowski | but no initfs isn't the problem itself |
| 19:07.41 | BigWookie | :D i thought so, but I cant find andy documentation about setting it properly up |
| 19:08.08 | BigWookie | *any |
| 19:09.25 | *** join/#maemo davyg (~davyg@2a01:e35:243c:9250:221:5dff:fe95:a18) |
| 19:11.21 | BigWookie | Could you probably tell me where to find one? :) |
| 19:13.29 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (~murrayc@host-88-217-185-158.customer.m-online.net) |
| 19:13.54 | GAN900 | Your N900 will really feel slim after using it in an OtterBox for a month or so. |
| 19:14.35 | *** join/#maemo nox- (noident@p5B104665.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:14.35 | *** join/#maemo _trine (~trine@2001:470:1f08:bf6::2) |
| 19:16.48 | nox- | moin |
| 19:18.28 | *** join/#maemo drizztbsd_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/drizztbsd) |
| 19:20.39 | *** join/#maemo tackat (~trahn@p5B366121.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:23.22 | *** join/#maemo cocacola (~user@fedora/noname) |
| 19:35.59 | ShadowJK | sigh |
| 19:36.36 | ShadowJK | symbian... 3 bars battery left, 5 seconds later it decides battery is low, terminates all my apps and switches to some useless "energy saving" profile. I open energy profiler and battery is at 3.76V. wtf. |
| 19:37.40 | *** join/#maemo david__ (~david@190.114.240.2) |
| 19:42.25 | *** join/#maemo murrayc (~murrayc@host-88-217-185-158.customer.m-online.net) |
| 19:42.47 | *** join/#maemo jtrag-AWAY (~jtrageser@c-174-55-74-243.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) |
| 19:45.12 | *** join/#maemo flo_lap (~fuchs@Maemo/community/contributor/florian) |
| 19:47.13 | *** join/#maemo tackat (~trahn@p5B08A2A1.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 19:47.40 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 19:47.54 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, we're all laughing at your suffering. |
| 19:48.12 | GAN900 | Wait, I mean sympathizing with your loss. |
| 19:48.18 | GAN900 | Yeah, that's the one. |
| 19:48.36 | *** join/#maemo delt (1000@ftp.deimos.ca) |
| 19:48.38 | delt | Hello |
| 19:48.53 | delt | i can't flash my n810 because of the boot menu thing :( |
| 19:48.59 | delt | trying to enable "rd" mode |
| 19:49.20 | ShadowJK | bootmenu runs after the flashing stuff.. |
| 19:49.49 | delt | ran maemo-flash --enable-rd-mode on the PC, says no suitable device, waiting..... |
| 19:50.03 | *** join/#maemo eipi2 (~eipi2@199.7.156.34) |
| 19:50.10 | delt | then turned on the n810 while connected to the usb port... went directly to the boot menu stuff |
| 19:50.28 | ShadowJK | did you hold in the button that brings up the program list? |
| 19:50.39 | delt | xterm on the pc was still saying "waiting..." (oh and loading the CPU to 100%) |
| 19:50.50 | delt | program list? |
| 19:51.24 | delt | you mean the list of running tasks while using maemo normally? |
| 19:51.30 | delt | <--- confused :? |
| 19:51.39 | ShadowJK | yeah |
| 19:51.58 | ShadowJK | I think that was the one |
| 19:52.29 | delt | oh, i installed a package that modifies the behaviour of the "2 squares overlapping" button... changes it to a kind of mac osx "tile up all open windows" kind of thing |
| 19:52.48 | ShadowJK | well, packages don't run on boot |
| 19:52.56 | delt | exactly |
| 19:52.58 | ShadowJK | so it shouldn't matter what you've installed |
| 19:53.06 | ShadowJK | But yeah, the 2 squares overlapping button |
| 19:53.18 | delt | but, thing is, i dont remember what that button does (in normal use) by default :D |
| 19:53.26 | delt | (the one with 2 squares overlapping in diagonal) |
| 19:53.46 | delt | so i think you may have meant that one when you said 15:52 < ShadowJK> did you hold in the button that brings up the program list? |
| 19:54.24 | delt | oh and im so smart i dont even remember the name of that package :/ |
| 19:55.07 | ShadowJK | Yes I meant the two squares overlapping in diagnoal button |
| 19:55.24 | delt | ah ok, thanks =) trying that now. |
| 19:56.00 | ShadowJK | "hile holding the Home/Swap button (It's a house on the 770 and N800, and two overlapping rectangles on the N810), power on the device by holding the power button. You should see a Nokia logo in the middle of the screen, and a USB icon in the top right corner. " |
| 19:56.08 | ShadowJK | hile=While |
| 19:56.12 | delt | actually i did try it the other day (while connected to usb) but without maemo-flasher "waiting" for it |
| 19:56.23 | delt | ok, lets try it out |
| 19:56.32 | delt | flasher v2.5.2 (Oct 21 2009) |
| 19:56.32 | delt | Suitable USB device not found, waiting. |
| 19:56.48 | ShadowJK | Did you start flasher before plugging in N810 to USB? |
| 19:57.04 | delt | yeah... well at least before turning on the n810 |
| 19:57.30 | ShadowJK | It's a long time since I flashed my N800 and N810, but I think I started flasher before plugging in USB even |
| 19:57.32 | *** join/#maemo panaggio (~panaggio@recod-gw.ic.unicamp.br) |
| 19:58.03 | delt | right now i have the maemo-flasher saying that |
| 19:58.04 | delt | ok |
| 19:58.06 | *** join/#maemo eipi2 (~eipi2@199.7.156.34) |
| 19:58.15 | delt | unplug usb cable, replug... |
| 19:58.23 | delt | done |
| 19:58.48 | delt | which i dont really see how it should make a difference... lsusb doesnt even show the nokia when its turned off |
| 19:59.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 19:59.19 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:00.10 | delt | so iirc. if i hold down a button even before turning the device on, it will still detect that it's pressed down, right? |
| 20:00.23 | ShadowJK | yes |
| 20:01.27 | delt | nope... connected to usb, holding down two-squares and turn it on, still goes straight to the bootmenu thing :/ |
| 20:01.45 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 20:01.56 | *** join/#maemo nielsle (~nielsle@1385163672.dhcp.dbnet.dk) |
| 20:01.59 | delt | and since that button brings up the "network-over-usb" recovery mode in the bootmenu, it just goes straight to that |
| 20:02.35 | *** join/#maemo dailylinux (~test@s21-06205.dsl.no.powertech.net) |
| 20:02.41 | delt | oh, other question... how wound one go about changing the delay before default selection is made, on bootmenu? |
| 20:03.22 | delt | is there something like liloconfig on pc....? |
| 20:03.38 | ShadowJK | It's really strange, I seem to remember that my N810 would display Nokia and USB icon if I pressed swap on boot, even if USB wasn't plugged in at all |
| 20:04.14 | delt | yeah me too.... seems the bootmenu thing killed all ways to get to that :/ |
| 20:04.29 | ShadowJK | GAN900, I feel like I'm Pitr: http://ars.userfriendly.org/cartoons/?id=20040303 (and next ones in the series) |
| 20:05.18 | delt | so when you're on that startup screen ie. white screen with "NOKIA" logo and blue USB icon in the top right... that's just firmware/hardware running right? no maemo kernel or anything? |
| 20:05.28 | delt | (at that point in the boot sequence)? |
| 20:06.08 | delt | ...so it's not at all dependant on whatever contents of the internal or external flash/sd/etc....? |
| 20:06.18 | ShadowJK | right |
| 20:06.34 | luke-jr_ | Is there any harm in putting a thin computer between the battery and the case in N900? |
| 20:06.38 | ShadowJK | Well, kernel might actually replace nokia logo with nokia logo too.. |
| 20:07.13 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, dunno, cellular on mine was dying from the slightest pressure on battery cover |
| 20:07.14 | delt | that would make things like, very confusing :/ and uselessly imho |
| 20:07.57 | luke-jr_ | eg, a spare SIM card or 2 |
| 20:08.22 | GAN900 | ShadowJK, hehe. |
| 20:08.29 | delt | tries fiddling around with the bootmenu settings in "pb" / "pbeasy" ...... |
| 20:09.28 | luke-jr_ | bah |
| 20:09.36 | luke-jr_ | "SIM card regiztration failed" |
| 20:09.47 | *** join/#maemo BabelO (~fcr@unaffiliated/babelo) |
| 20:09.49 | DocScrutinizer | N8x0 might go from NOLO straight to batery charging, when battery voltage is too low |
| 20:11.07 | delt | ah PenguinBait ...was trying to remember what PB stood for the other day ...knew it was someone's username =) |
| 20:11.08 | luke-jr_ | oh great |
| 20:11.14 | luke-jr_ | now SIM reg fails all the time |
| 20:11.48 | ShadowJK | whoah :) |
| 20:12.12 | *** join/#maemo villev (~quassel@173-164-215-29-SFBA.hfc.comcastbusiness.net) |
| 20:13.37 | *** join/#maemo lcukn900 (~lcuk@82.132.248.108) |
| 20:14.39 | *** join/#maemo crs (~crs@gentoo/user/crs) |
| 20:15.26 | delt | hmm.... in pb "select default boot device" just lists the 256mb partition :/ |
| 20:15.56 | delt | <--- tries "cancel" then "scan for disk changes, update info".... |
| 20:17.02 | *** join/#maemo unixSnob (~unixSnob@starfury.spearlink.com) |
| 20:17.53 | delt | nope.. other tasks in "pb" can see the internal flash, but "select boot device" only lists /dev/mtdblock4 (size 256mb_used_blahblahblah) |
| 20:18.44 | delt | (let's try booting from the backup (256mb) and running pb from there.....) |
| 20:19.09 | delt | oh sorry thinking aloud here... uh i mean thinking atype hre |
| 20:19.10 | delt | here |
| 20:19.25 | *** join/#maemo dvaske_ (~dvaske@nat/nokia/x-ccyaleilvddytlkf) |
| 20:20.03 | DocScrutinizer | delt: what is it you really want to do? |
| 20:20.07 | ShadowJK | at this point I'd probably try remove the battery, keep flasher running on PC, disconnect usb, hold in swap key, insert usb, insert battery, press power key. Still holding swap |
| 20:20.08 | luke-jr_ | grumble |
| 20:20.16 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, i think he wants to flash |
| 20:20.24 | luke-jr_ | can "SIM card registration failed" mean anything other than "broken SIM"? |
| 20:20.29 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-10-08 22:09:46] <DocScrutinizer> N8x0 might go from NOLO straight to batery charging, when battery voltage is too low |
| 20:20.59 | delt | DocScrutinizer: 1. enable/disable "rd" mode, 2. change the delay "bootmenu" waits before loading default partition (from infinity to like, 0 or 1 second) |
| 20:21.12 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: yes, it may mean your carrier refused sim to book in |
| 20:21.31 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, anything fun in dmesh? |
| 20:21.34 | ShadowJK | dmesg |
| 20:21.41 | luke-jr_ | any way to tell if it's broken SIM or T-Mobile not liking me? |
| 20:22.18 | DocScrutinizer | try sim in other device |
| 20:22.38 | luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: when it there *anything* in dmesg? :P |
| 20:22.43 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: what other device? |
| 20:22.51 | ShadowJK | there was when my N900 started malfunctioning |
| 20:23.15 | luke-jr_ | suppose I can boot Gentoo and try it there⦠|
| 20:23.15 | delt | DocScrutinizer: btw, there's a package i installed -before- cloning my 256mb jffs2 to the internal 2gb partition, that changes the behaviour of the "home / "2 squares overlapping in diagonal" button ..... and im so smart i dont remember the name of that package :/ |
| 20:23.22 | delt | from maemo-extras (i THINK) |
| 20:24.34 | delt | anyway, that's for bonus points =) |
| 20:26.19 | delt | ok, running "pb" from the 256mb jffs2 as root, now let's see...... |
| 20:26.51 | DocScrutinizer | delt: you have a full battery? You unplugged N810 from charger so it's really off when powering it on? |
| 20:26.58 | *** join/#maemo n900evil (~Speedevil@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 20:27.20 | DocScrutinizer | delt: please read |
| 20:27.21 | delt | really off when powering it on? uh.... |
| 20:27.23 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 20:27.23 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:28.21 | DocScrutinizer | delt: "off" while charging doesn't really mean you can enter flashing mode by "powering up while holding home button" |
| 20:28.39 | DocScrutinizer | as "off" with charging actually is act_dead |
| 20:28.41 | ShadowJK | it's never off if charger is connected |
| 20:28.49 | delt | weird thing is, im pretty sure i selected 1 second as the delay in "pb" .... but now it asks me to select partition for several minutes, then switches back off |
| 20:29.13 | ShadowJK | if it goes as far as bootmenu, it's too late for flasher |
| 20:29.23 | delt | DocScrutinizer: turned off as in, press the "power" button (top ledge, in the middle) then select "turn device off"? |
| 20:30.11 | DocScrutinizer | delt: PLEASE read |
| 20:30.13 | DocScrutinizer | ~flash |
| 20:30.13 | infobot | i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:31.11 | ShadowJK | answering whether charger is connected or not should be easy enough :) |
| 20:31.14 | delt | reading.... (thanks for your concern!!) |
| 20:31.14 | DocScrutinizer | delt: for flashing N8x0/770 the device MUST NOT be connected to power supply |
| 20:32.01 | delt | yeah, the docs mentioned that... and thinking about it, .... yeah when its connected to the charger, it's never really completely turned off.... |
| 20:32.16 | DocScrutinizer | see? :-D |
| 20:32.32 | delt | because there has to be SOME intelligent programming checking the batterly level(s) otherwise it will shorten the battery's live |
| 20:32.39 | delt | s/live/life |
| 20:32.41 | delt | s/live/life/ |
| 20:32.42 | delt | sry |
| 20:32.49 | delt | s/ live/ life/ |
| 20:32.50 | luke-jr_ | Error activating /n900/primarycontext8: org.ofono.Error.NotAttached: GPRS is not attached |
| 20:32.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:32.54 | luke-jr_ | any idea what that means? |
| 20:33.02 | *** join/#maemo willer_ (~willer@189.2.128.130) |
| 20:33.11 | delt | um... again, just thinking alou....uh i mean atype =) |
| 20:33.59 | delt | yeah, if the device is turned off completely, and current is still going to the battery, then eventually it will lose its "zero" point and only hold smaller and smaller charges |
| 20:34.26 | delt | like an electric razor, if you keep it plugged all the time |
| 20:35.10 | ShadowJK | that's mostly bullshit :) |
| 20:35.42 | delt | ? |
| 20:36.14 | ShadowJK | uf current goes into battery without stopping, battery explodes |
| 20:36.17 | *** join/#maemo Arkenoi (~ark@81.200.10.89) |
| 20:36.18 | ShadowJK | if* |
| 20:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | X-P |
| 20:36.27 | delt | (completely unrelated to the page above on wiki.maemo.org |
| 20:36.28 | delt | ) |
| 20:37.28 | DocScrutinizer | delt: 770/N8x0 has software controlled charging. It can not charge battery without a booted system |
| 20:37.35 | ShadowJK | electric razor probably has a nimh battery which tolerates some small amount of overcharge. the charge circuitry probably never stops charging. the best nimh batteries can take a year or so of that kkind of charging |
| 20:37.36 | delt | um.... so you say the "bootmenu" thing runs AFTER actual kernel boot. Does it read a config file from the FS, or....? |
| 20:38.12 | *** join/#maemo Dini (~dino@host81-110-dynamic.17-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 20:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | probably, but how's that related to flashing? |
| 20:38.42 | delt | DocScrutinizer: so its like the razor thing..? i remember when i was a kid, in germany, my dad had an electric razor he always kept plugged to the wall socket |
| 20:39.14 | delt | worked fine that way, but when he unplugged it, he couldn't figure out why it slowed down and died after like 10 seconds |
| 20:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | delt: google for NiMH memory effect |
| 20:39.33 | nox- | or nicad if it was that long ago |
| 20:39.38 | DocScrutinizer | actually NiCd |
| 20:39.49 | nox- | yeah |
| 20:39.52 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: yep |
| 20:39.55 | ShadowJK | nicad memory effect is mostly a myth |
| 20:40.02 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 20:40.31 | ShadowJK | but keeping it plugged in is a sure way to kill the batteries all without involving memory effect. |
| 20:40.59 | delt | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_effect |
| 20:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, sw charging of N8x0 LiPo has no link whatsoever to memory effect or deterioration by overcharging of NiCd/NiMH |
| 20:41.41 | delt | so, as i suspected this is why 16:39 < DocScrutinizer> delt: 770/N8x0 has software controlled charging. It can not charge battery without a booted system |
| 20:42.12 | delt | a simple fix would be to include a simple voltage checking circuit between the battery and charger input? |
| 20:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | yes, basically |
| 20:42.24 | delt | (not an electronics expert, but first thought....) |
| 20:42.30 | ShadowJK | Once the battery is fully charged, it starts producing hydrogen. There's a mechanism in place to recombine it, but it can only handle so much. The battery slowly vents excess hydrogen and loses water. it dries up |
| 20:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | and that's what N900 has |
| 20:43.50 | delt | and most mp3 players like ipod, sandisk etc etc.... but you can kill the battery if you just leave it charging on some weird configuration, like an old version of rockbox and some unknown charger thing |
| 20:44.14 | DocScrutinizer | delt: please make sure you have a fully charged battery, and no charger connected, when trying to flash |
| 20:45.24 | delt | [x] check |
| 20:45.38 | DocScrutinizer | remove full battery, start flasher, plug in USB, hold home button, power up N8x0 |
| 20:46.10 | *** join/#maemo mariorz (~mariorz@li10-58.members.linode.com) |
| 20:46.11 | *** join/#maemo PhonicUK (~PhonicUK@pdpc/supporter/student/phonicuk) |
| 20:46.13 | DocScrutinizer | remove full battery, start flasher, plug in USB, insert battery, hold home button, power up N8x0 |
| 20:46.18 | delt | uh.... remove full battery as in, physically take it out of the n810? |
| 20:46.26 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:46.28 | delt | aaahh ok i get it |
| 20:46.42 | delt | sorry, hadnt even read the rest of that line :3 |
| 20:46.45 | mariorz | hey guys, anyone have any linkage for modifying the menu bar in os2008? |
| 20:47.23 | delt | so, even if the screen is black, and no keys are responding... doesn't necessarily mean it is completely off? |
| 20:47.44 | mariorz | i know about the applications.menu file but doesnt seem to be exactly what im looking for |
| 20:48.06 | delt | "nokiiii, you're just pretending to sleep!!! i know you're awake!" |
| 20:48.13 | lolloo | why is the screen scrolling on N900 is sluggish alot! |
| 20:48.23 | nox- | swapping? |
| 20:48.25 | lolloo | 3D engine is bad |
| 20:48.45 | *** join/#maemo davyg (~davyg@2a01:e35:243c:9250:223:54ff:fe69:226e) |
| 20:50.06 | delt | DocScrutinizer: thanks for the tip! but, question: just out of curiosity, what would be the difference between "plug in USB, insert battery" or the other way around? |
| 20:50.37 | delt | (if there is any) |
| 20:51.04 | DocScrutinizer | no diff probably |
| 20:51.33 | DocScrutinizer | device might accidentally boot up on battery insert |
| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | which isn't helpful |
| 20:51.53 | *** join/#maemo javispedro (~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro) |
| 20:51.56 | delt | oh... and how does plugging the USB first prevent that? |
| 20:52.22 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, probably a good idea to hold home button during plug in USB, insert battery, and power up |
| 20:53.08 | DocScrutinizer | (prevent) it's supposed to start flashing when booting up to a waiting flasher connected to USB |
| 20:53.22 | delt | ah ok thanks =) so if i only have 2 hands? :D jk |
| 20:54.51 | DocScrutinizer | nota bene: if your battery is too low voltage (not completely charged) then NOLO may decide to ignore all flashing action and directly boot system to charge battery |
| 20:55.26 | DocScrutinizer | so make sure your battery is fully charged |
| 20:55.30 | delt | uh ooops... ALMOST did it, but i released (and pressed back down) the "home" button during operation "put battery-cove back" :3 |
| 20:55.46 | delt | its like at 90% nwo |
| 20:55.51 | delt | s/nwo/now/ |
| 20:58.32 | delt | oh, second hand... no wait make that 3rd hand battery. my brother had this n810 for a bit less than a year, which he bought from someone in Ontario. Then i bought it from my brother. |
| 20:58.58 | luke-jr_ | (*#($*)# T-Mobile |
| 21:00.03 | delt | so DocScrutinizer: holding down "home" button ie. 2-diagonal-squares ALL ALONG with no interruption, or if i accidentally release it when flipping the n810 over i have to start uh.... "over :)" ? |
| 21:00.47 | *** join/#maemo n900-dk (~kgu@freebox.dk) |
| 21:00.52 | *** join/#maemo T7g (~t7g@d47-69-145-121.try.wideopenwest.com) |
| 21:02.03 | DocScrutinizer | delt: just hold it down during possible power up events, so if you insert battery and that doesn't cause device to start up, then there's no need to keep it pressed until you power it up by next action |
| 21:02.23 | delt | ah, thats what i thought, thanks =) |
| 21:02.57 | delt | so, re-removed the battery, stopped maemo-flasher (ctrl+c) ... unplugged usb... |
| 21:04.08 | nox- | luke-jr_, they knocked you off just bc you tried some dual-sim `hacks'? |
| 21:05.06 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: probably because he tried to tunnel everything thru DNS |
| 21:05.17 | nox- | haha |
| 21:05.30 | delt | mmm... nope... still getting the boot menu stuff first :( |
| 21:05.35 | javispedro | lately, every time I've entered this channel the topic is restoring someone's misflashed N900/N8x0 =) |
| 21:05.55 | DocScrutinizer | delt: charge your battery |
| 21:05.56 | javispedro | did someone finally posted that device-bricker on tmo? |
| 21:06.00 | GAN900 | javispedro, clearly you should stop breaking people's devices, then. |
| 21:06.12 | delt | which goes straight to usb-over-network recover mode since i have "home" pressed down |
| 21:06.32 | delt | DocScrutinizer: so 85% - 90% is not enough? |
| 21:06.48 | javispedro | GAN900: heh, or try to perfect my methodology =) |
| 21:07.00 | ShadowJK | typically in N8x0, 3 out of 4 bars means 50%.. |
| 21:07.08 | ShadowJK | yeah; nokia ui logic... |
| 21:07.14 | DocScrutinizer | delt: obviously - though I wonder what makes you think it's at 85-90 |
| 21:07.45 | delt | ShadowJK: i have that "extras" package that changes the battery thing to a better one + menu where it says exact % |
| 21:08.00 | delt | ...or was that in extras...? i think so |
| 21:09.03 | delt | anyway, putting the n810 on charger for now..... |
| 21:09.44 | delt | oh DocScrutinizer: that option in bootmenu "Power off (when not on charger)" should reliably power off the n810? ie. no need to remove battery etc etc...? |
| 21:10.20 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 21:10.28 | javispedro | MohammadAG51: there? |
| 21:10.30 | DocScrutinizer | probably |
| 21:11.02 | delt | mkay, anyway same behaviour here when doing 16:48 < DocScrutinizer> remove full battery, start flasher, plug in USB, insert battery, hold home button, power up N8x0 |
| 21:11.41 | MohammadAG51 | [10549.280975] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered the fuck |
| 21:12.06 | javispedro | you'd be surprised at how many times your desktop GFX also resets itself |
| 21:12.17 | delt | so... is there a VERY DETAILED page with all technical info about BOOTMENU somewhere? |
| 21:12.56 | *** join/#maemo geaaru (~geaaru@host109-218-dynamic.24-79-r.retail.telecomitalia.it) |
| 21:13.12 | delt | i just re-ran "pb" and selected zero seconds as delay... still shows me the list of partitions (2 partitions + power off when not on charger) for several minutes then switches off |
| 21:15.08 | delt | and before installing bootmenu, this always worked fine (turn off, hold down home while turning on) ... without all that remove battery, THEN plug in usb, THEN put battery back in etc... crap |
| 21:16.10 | DocScrutinizer | delt: damn, then deinstall bootmenu! it won't change anything probably, except it boots normal system then instead of bootmenu |
| 21:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | charge your friggin battery! |
| 21:16.53 | delt | DocScrutinizer: 1. how? 2. will do |
| 21:16.59 | javispedro | there's no bq27xxx -- so it might be hard to do if the device does not boot |
| 21:17.04 | delt | bulk q&a =) |
| 21:17.33 | *** join/#maemo Antonis (~Antonis@unaffiliated/take0n) |
| 21:17.58 | delt | i'd presume bootmenu isn't a package that gets installed on the root filesystem? (esp. since it isnt even mounted yet!!) |
| 21:18.20 | Antonis | hello folks I need help. how do I install something in N900 using terminal? when I try with apt-get install package it tells me I am not root. when I use sudo it asks for password which I don't know |
| 21:19.36 | delt | if that was the case, i guess i could run the app. manager and then there would be an app called "Change your N8x0 into a N900" that would actually change the CPU, memory, flash chips, etc... whoa! =) |
| 21:20.09 | joga | Antonis: you need to do this first http://wiki.maemo.org/Root |
| 21:20.51 | delt | worst thing is, root account doesn't even have a password iirc =) |
| 21:21.10 | joga | so it can't log in ;p |
| 21:22.03 | delt | "sudo gainroot" i think is the 'normal' way to get a root "shell" (that is, "busybox" posing as a shell) |
| 21:22.23 | joga | I've made it so I get bash |
| 21:22.46 | joga | I think I just made an extra alias 'root' for that though |
| 21:22.51 | MohammadAG51 | javispedro, yeah, but this znc is lagging like hell! (pokes DocScrutinizer) |
| 21:23.30 | *** join/#maemo lolloo (~user@94.96.122.238) |
| 21:23.33 | javispedro | sorry MohammadAG51, pm'd you |
| 21:24.50 | delt | for a while i had /bin/sh -> bash but someone here on #maemo said it was a bad idea... |
| 21:25.17 | delt | since busybox's "sh" mode emulated a "ash" shell type iirc |
| 21:26.06 | Antonis | thanks joga |
| 21:26.55 | luke-jr_ | nox-: I didn't try anything |
| 21:27.09 | luke-jr_ | they knocked me off because i didn't refill within 90 days |
| 21:27.16 | luke-jr_ | and claim they can't reactivate it |
| 21:27.22 | luke-jr_ | so I'm just serviceless again |
| 21:27.24 | luke-jr_ | oh well â¹ |
| 21:27.25 | nox- | oh |
| 21:27.36 | luke-jr_ | unless there's a way to crack their network |
| 21:27.37 | Antonis | one more thing, since I don't actually have N900 but try to help a friend, when I go to application manager where exactly do I find the apps to install? I mean, I have enabled Extras, but when I tell him go to application manager and install he says there is no app list or something |
| 21:27.38 | delt | wtf?? wiki.maemo.org search "bootmenu" ---> |
| 21:27.38 | delt | There is no page titled "bootmenu". You can create this page. |
| 21:28.08 | delt | partial matches, etc etc... blablabla.... |
| 21:28.24 | delt | so anyone telling me to RTFM can go WTFM |
| 21:28.32 | nox- | luke-jr_, was that prepaid? (xtracard or whatever its called?) |
| 21:28.44 | luke-jr_ | Prepaid, yes |
| 21:29.06 | delt | ok, so enought ranting, whining & shit for today.... cya |
| 21:29.06 | *** part/#maemo delt (1000@ftp.deimos.ca) |
| 21:30.09 | nox- | luke-jr_, where are you, u.s.? |
| 21:30.20 | javispedro | as a prepaid owner I sometimes feel like if I where public enemy #1 of my carrier.... |
| 21:30.25 | javispedro | *were |
| 21:30.36 | nox- | heh |
| 21:31.03 | nox- | currently on `pennymobil' bc most of the time i use wifi... |
| 21:31.15 | *** join/#maemo eipi2 (~eipi2@199.7.156.34) |
| 21:31.22 | SpeedEvil | is using T-mobile prepaid in the UK. |
| 21:31.36 | luke-jr_ | nox-: yes |
| 21:31.40 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: znc is fine |
| 21:31.40 | SpeedEvil | 6 months 1G/mo internet for 20 quid. (~$30) |
| 21:31.45 | Antonis | nevermind he is blind :P |
| 21:31.48 | joga | Antonis: in app manager there's download |
| 21:31.50 | joga | heh |
| 21:32.00 | Antonis | hehe yeap found it :d |
| 21:32.23 | javispedro | gets Euro 1.5 for 1day/10MiB :( |
| 21:32.24 | *** join/#maemo Rhoruns (~Rhoruns@ip98-165-94-55.ph.ph.cox.net) |
| 21:34.19 | javispedro | and they won't make me a real offer even after spending _too much_ on their stupid services because of "emergencies". |
| 21:34.27 | javispedro | damn n900. they should have made another tablet! |
| 21:35.02 | nox- | luke-jr_, ok then i dont know much about your notwork, but current sims can't be `cracked' i think |
| 21:35.17 | luke-jr_ | SIMs don't need to be cracked, carriers do |
| 21:35.26 | luke-jr_ | and probably not because N900 is too closed |
| 21:41.14 | *** join/#maemo hannesw_ (~hannes@80-121-122-96.adsl.highway.telekom.at) |
| 21:48.28 | *** join/#maemo delt (1000@ftp.deimos.ca) |
| 21:49.03 | delt | uh quick question: i plug the n810 into the charger and i get: white nokia screen for 2 seconds, then boot menu. is this normal? |
| 21:49.28 | *** join/#maemo mitsutaka_ (~mitsutaka@122.212.45.242) |
| 21:49.46 | Myrtti | no, not really |
| 21:50.17 | *** join/#maemo crashanddie (~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie) |
| 21:50.37 | delt | Myrtti: was that in reply to my question? |
| 21:52.13 | *** join/#maemo Psi (~ben@ip-58-28-158-238.static-xdsl.xnet.co.nz) |
| 21:52.29 | delt | ok so anyway... |
| 21:52.37 | delt | DocScrutinizer: charging battery..... |
| 21:54.26 | jacktheripper | is a reboot loop with a desktop any better than a reboot loop without a desktop ? |
| 21:54.34 | delt | DocScrutinizer: n810 was turned off, and well, like i said above :/ |
| 21:55.19 | delt | jacktheripper: i'd tend to say better, because whatever causes the reboot happens later in the startup sequence? |
| 21:55.44 | delt | but that's just me, and i dont know much about maemo :/ |
| 21:55.46 | jacktheripper | delt, of course. But is it better towards fixing it ? |
| 21:55.53 | jacktheripper | ah |
| 21:58.20 | delt | well, i'd say since more stuff is already loaded/init'd/etc...you have more tools available to fix it. (just my un-educated guess) |
| 21:58.34 | *** join/#maemo messerting (~messertin@39.79-161-65.customer.lyse.net) |
| 22:01.12 | *** join/#maemo yofel_ (~quassel@unaffiliated/yofel) |
| 22:02.31 | *** join/#maemo mardi (~mardi@41.94.2.81.in-addr.arpa) |
| 22:03.16 | luke-jr_ | T-Mobile idiots tried to sell me a $25/mo data plan that's 200 MB⦠|
| 22:03.27 | SpeedEvil | Wow. |
| 22:03.33 | luke-jr_ | so I just pointed out that I'd need to limit my usage to less than dialup to use that :p |
| 22:03.46 | luke-jr_ | since dialup can pass 200 MB in under a da |
| 22:04.31 | luke-jr_ | sigh |
| 22:04.44 | luke-jr_ | USA is so third-world country :/ |
| 22:04.47 | javispedro | ... and they sued you for libel? |
| 22:04.53 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: what? |
| 22:04.58 | javispedro | =) |
| 22:05.14 | javispedro | I mean T-Mobile, not USA =) |
| 22:05.38 | luke-jr_ | I miss the prepaid plan they just killed off on me :< |
| 22:05.54 | luke-jr_ | in practice I wasn't paying anything since they only billed for voice service |
| 22:06.24 | javispedro | heh |
| 22:06.49 | GAN900 | luke-jr_, hey, at least we still have more of our freedom than most of the world. *g* |
| 22:06.51 | luke-jr_ | curiously, the lady on the phone told me they have "excellent coverage" here |
| 22:06.55 | *** join/#maemo __kW (~kW@pD9EAB819.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:06.59 | luke-jr_ | GAN900: only slightly |
| 22:07.22 | javispedro | my carrier hates me for not using text or voice even though I dutifully pay data, so... |
| 22:07.27 | GAN900 | luke-jr_, better than not at all. ;) |
| 22:07.40 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: so they'll eventually just turn you off too? :p |
| 22:07.48 | GAN900 | luke-jr_, and per-state BS doesn't count. :P |
| 22:08.28 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: I actually said that on the phone when they claimed to be hte best deal |
| 22:08.35 | luke-jr_ | "not compared to T-Mobile Europe" |
| 22:08.36 | luke-jr_ | :p |
| 22:09.15 | javispedro | m |
| 22:09.18 | javispedro | luke-jr_: heh :) |
| 22:11.45 | javispedro | I still remember the day they sent me some junk mail telling me to go visit their site to get "all new great free phones". After entering my phone number the list of avail phones emptied itself (via some quite slow javascript) in what I can only describe as the 21st century version of "you're an unworthy customer". |
| 22:13.22 | delt | .... so, if i had this bootmenu thing, AND only 1 filesystem, ... which ends up not-bootable... this thing would be completely dead, right? |
| 22:13.37 | GAN900 | Monopolies are never a good thing. |
| 22:15.40 | javispedro | actually it's no longer a monopoly here, around three to four companies. but still. |
| 22:15.59 | delt | bah... anyway, bbl :/ thanks all for the info/help... |
| 22:16.00 | *** part/#maemo delt (1000@ftp.deimos.ca) |
| 22:16.14 | *** join/#maemo booiiing|clone (booiiing@e180010049.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:16.46 | GAN900 | javispedro, practical monopoly. |
| 22:17.19 | javispedro | indeed |
| 22:17.33 | javispedro | also, they offer dirt cheap voice rates as long as all your calls happen to be within the same carrier =) |
| 22:25.06 | *** join/#maemo fecub (~fecub@g224164130.adsl.alicedsl.de) |
| 22:25.54 | javispedro | hmpf. if they removed the usb plugged in check from fmtx middleware in 1.2, why not remove the headphones plugged in check while they were at it? |
| 22:27.24 | GAN900 | Because it actually matters? |
| 22:27.51 | javispedro | ponders something |
| 22:27.56 | GAN900 | Doesn't really make a difference, anyway, as they drop the power so much as to make it unusable when USB is plugged in. |
| 22:28.00 | SpeedEvil | Connect a USB cable - dangling |
| 22:28.05 | javispedro | ah, it's just that they can't detect the usb cable when it's dangling |
| 22:28.12 | javispedro | not that they removed the check :P |
| 22:28.14 | javispedro | hmpf. |
| 22:28.15 | SpeedEvil | Play FMTX, and take to extreme range. |
| 22:28.23 | SpeedEvil | Now, unplug usb cable |
| 22:28.25 | SpeedEvil | signal goes away |
| 22:28.52 | SpeedEvil | The designed range is between 3 and 5m |
| 22:28.59 | javispedro | SpeedEvil: I personally use v4l to use the fmtx altogether because without a cable it's unusable |
| 22:29.17 | javispedro | but this is for a friend's device, and bash would scare him. |
| 22:29.23 | javispedro | *v4l-ctl |
| 22:29.56 | SpeedEvil | I suggest queen-beecon |
| 22:30.33 | javispedro | takes a look |
| 22:31.14 | jacktheripper | can anyone here help me against my bootloop and pastebin `dpkg -S /usr/lib/microb-engine` from their N900 ? :) |
| 22:31.48 | SpeedEvil | microb-engine-common, microb-engine, libnspr4, microb-eal, libwidgetutils, libnss3, libnss3-certs, nokia-maps-core: /usr/lib/microb-engine |
| 22:31.53 | javispedro | jacktheripper: there is a package appropiately named "microb-engine" |
| 22:31.59 | javispedro | oops, late. |
| 22:32.03 | jacktheripper | thanks a bunch |
| 22:32.05 | SpeedEvil | np |
| 22:32.12 | jacktheripper | I had that installed |
| 22:32.19 | jacktheripper | and as you see, tons of packages install into that |
| 22:32.27 | SpeedEvil | notes firefox 4 is available. |
| 22:32.48 | jacktheripper | for maemo ?! |
| 22:32.53 | *** join/#maemo sepultina (~quassel@85.5.141.79) |
| 22:32.56 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 22:33.05 | jacktheripper | gotta try that |
| 22:33.24 | nox- | oh? |
| 22:33.30 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ |
| 22:35.51 | nox- | thx :) |
| 22:39.50 | *** join/#maemo valdyn (~valdyn@valdyn.org) |
| 22:42.34 | *** join/#maemo baraujo (~Bruno@189.2.128.130) |
| 22:45.35 | *** join/#maemo Rarok (~Rarok@65.99.165.83.dynamic.mundo-r.com) |
| 22:46.39 | *** join/#maemo solarion (~solarion@atomaton.nhn.ou.edu) |
| 22:56.27 | *** join/#maemo pupnik (~puphome@p54B2AC74.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 22:59.34 | *** join/#maemo leandrosansilva (~quassel@200.201.111.123) |
| 23:01.42 | *** join/#maemo mitsutaka (~mitsutaka@p1227-ipbf3907marunouchi.tokyo.ocn.ne.jp) |
| 23:01.44 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil1 (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 23:02.29 | *** join/#maemo piggz_ (~piggz@84.13.69.83) |
| 23:04.23 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 23:10.14 | jacktheripper | SpeedEvil, did you mean fennec by firefox4 ? |
| 23:10.30 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:10.45 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/4.0b1/releasenotes/ |
| 23:11.05 | javispedro | firefox mobile = fennec |
| 23:11.09 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta |
| 23:11.21 | jacktheripper | ummm http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/mobile/beta/ gives me "fennec is already installed" |
| 23:11.34 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 23:11.46 | SpeedEvil | It installed fine here - though I did not previously have fennec installed |
| 23:11.53 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: Perhaps. |
| 23:12.04 | SpeedEvil | javispedro: However, it was nowhere branded as fennec |
| 23:12.05 | javispedro | it is, they renamed long ago |
| 23:12.18 | jacktheripper | SpeedEvil, could you check if you have 'fennec' installed NOW ? |
| 23:12.46 | javispedro | lol, also android. I have to wonder if they shipped their own libc, or used bionic? |
| 23:14.13 | *** join/#maemo BigWookie (~BigWookie@p5797F7BE.dip.t-dialin.net) |
| 23:14.41 | BigWookie | Hi, i have a very strange problem with Madde , it seems the Emulation is working, but i don't get any image on the qemu window, in the shell I can do everything |
| 23:18.53 | *** join/#maemo SpeedEvil (~user@tor/regular/SpeedEvil) |
| 23:19.30 | *** join/#maemo benh (~benh@67.13.70.115.static.exetel.com.au) |
| 23:27.02 | pronto | does anyone knwo where fmms saves its photos? |
| 23:30.37 | lcuk | bhi javispedro \o |
| 23:30.53 | pronto | and nevermind, i just found it |
| 23:31.06 | lcuk | for the record, where does it save them |
| 23:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: do we know exactly how much battery current flashlight will cause? |
| 23:32.40 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, I believe thats already documented somewhere based on the spec of the lights |
| 23:33.12 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: yes, I think so. Just want to check back, to finally decide on RS once and for all |
| 23:33.25 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:33.40 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: it's on the order of 100mA |
| 23:33.47 | SpeedEvil | I forgret exactly. |
| 23:34.07 | SpeedEvil | 7.2V*50mA*1.1/3.6 |
| 23:34.24 | DocScrutinizer | err yep, * efficiency |
| 23:34.35 | DocScrutinizer | aah, 1.1 |
| 23:34.45 | DocScrutinizer | correct? |
| 23:34.53 | *** join/#maemo SmilybOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 23:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how do you know the LED Vfwd is 3.6, or 7.2 for 2 in series? |
| 23:37.33 | SpeedEvil | 7.2 |
| 23:37.40 | SpeedEvil | 2 in series |
| 23:37.48 | SpeedEvil | It will be - all blue/white LEDs are. |
| 23:37.54 | SpeedEvil | (plus or minus 15%) |
| 23:41.55 | *** join/#maemo croppa (~stuart@202-90-54-173.static.linearg.net) |
| 23:43.27 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, not good enough to test for RS |
| 23:44.20 | DocScrutinizer | I've changed the first 2 lines of the script like |
| 23:44.23 | DocScrutinizer | # Assuming 30 mOhm sense resistance |
| 23:44.25 | DocScrutinizer | RS=${RS:-30} |
| 23:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | but I finally want to know what to write there |
| 23:45.50 | SpeedEvil | Sigh. |
| 23:45.55 | SpeedEvil | I keep getting delayed. |
| 23:46.16 | DocScrutinizer | please, let's change topic before I blush |
| 23:46.17 | SpeedEvil | But tomorrow with luck when I drag the PSU back in from the shed where ti is charging lead-acid batteries for winter. |
| 23:47.42 | DocScrutinizer | ~lart Nokia, for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?" |
| 23:47.42 | infobot | whips out a hot clue gun and makes sure that Nokia, is stuck to the floor for not even answering SUCH A SIMPLE question, like "what's exact value of RS?" |
| 23:48.14 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnak |
| 23:48.17 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 23:48.17 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 23:48.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~good bot |
| 23:48.25 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 23:50.52 | BigWookie | ;_; Can't somebody help me please, I'm trying to get the mulator to work for 5 hours now, after the Nokia Bootsplash i just won't ouput any image , even in vnc mode.. on a similiar netbook it is working ... i can even ssh to it and mes with everyting... ( madde out of NokiaQtSDK AND Latest madde release) |
| 23:51.10 | javispedro | hi lcuk |
| 23:51.21 | javispedro | :p |
| 23:52.26 | lcuk | \o javispedro |
| 23:53.39 | *** join/#maemo BCMM (~ben@unaffiliated/bcmm) |
| 23:54.54 | wmarone | boggles as mediabox lurches between songs randomly |
| 23:54.56 | *** join/#maemo SmilyOrg (Smily@BSN-61-22-176.dial-up.dsl.siol.net) |
| 23:55.37 | wmarone | and it's keeping the CPU pegged... :/ |
