| 00:00.00 | raster | rm -rf / |
| 00:00.09 | raster | there is NOTHING u can do |
| 00:00.18 | raster | if the host (internet cafe machine) is considered untrusted |
| 00:00.27 | raster | as this can be done al the way down in the drvier itself |
| 00:00.31 | raster | as deep as u like |
| 00:00.42 | raster | as u cannot make any assumptions on the security of this machine |
| 00:00.54 | raster | if u cant make assumptions - then u are insecure by definition |
| 00:01.10 | raster | everything u can do as a person, it can do as a malicious machine |
| 00:01.33 | raster | encryption works over an insecure network as u TRUST both ends of the encrypted pipe |
| 00:01.52 | raster | u can verify each end is the "Expceted trusted host" via cert checks |
| 00:01.56 | raster | etc. |
| 00:02.02 | raster | but in the end u trust both points of the conn |
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| 00:02.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | facit? log in as user, not as root |
| 00:02.09 | raster | in your scenario the n900 is trusted |
| 00:02.14 | raster | but not the pc end of the conn |
| 00:02.23 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmm -- I am only connecting to the internet cafe machine for the sake of the big screen and kbd |
| 00:02.35 | raster | the actual connection - usbnet itself is as trusted as either end of that conn |
| 00:02.39 | raster | so since u dont trust the pc |
| 00:02.44 | raster | then the whole thng cannot be trusted |
| 00:02.49 | raster | encryption or not |
| 00:02.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | STUXNET!!! |
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| 00:03.33 | raster | DocScrutinizer51: its aqn internet cafe meachine - no root. its windows, let's say. the intternet cafe operates the host. it may have had "root" (admin) compromised |
| 00:03.47 | raster | the internet cafe itself may have snooping/trojan software installed as admin/root |
| 00:03.48 | raster | etc. |
| 00:03.52 | raster | so doesnt much matter |
| 00:03.54 | jpinx-eeepc | it will.... |
| 00:04.07 | raster | u dont trust the machine |
| 00:04.12 | raster | anything you can do - it can do. |
| 00:04.30 | raster | unless u trust that machine - you shouldnt use it AT ALL |
| 00:04.39 | jpinx-eeepc | ok raster there has to be a way to better secure the n900 |
| 00:04.49 | raster | there is |
| 00:04.51 | SpeedEvil | raster: Unless you trust it to do limited things. |
| 00:05.04 | raster | dont connect to the n900 in ANY way other that FROM a trusted host |
| 00:05.12 | raster | SpeedEvil: thats my point |
| 00:05.16 | raster | u have to place some trust |
| 00:05.22 | SpeedEvil | raster: For example, you may accept the risk of screen-scraping, and mitigate the risk of keyboard by having the n900 resting on the big keyboard and checking the noises. |
| 00:05.33 | raster | in the case jpinx-eeepc above outlined - its an "internet cafe" machine |
| 00:05.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: but you are 'johndoe' (aka 'user') on N900 |
| 00:05.54 | SpeedEvil | raster: I've already wondered about an opensource implementation of the sound->keystroke analyser, for the purposes of eliminating the keyboard. |
| 00:05.56 | raster | imagine one of those random pieces of junk in those crappy convenience stores somewhere in some backwater town in rural india? |
| 00:05.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: *MY* 'sudo gainroot' asks for passwor |
| 00:05.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | d |
| 00:05.58 | raster | \or whatever |
| 00:05.59 | SpeedEvil | keyboard cable |
| 00:06.12 | raster | where the guy who runs the convenience store is about as technical as a lump of mud |
| 00:06.20 | raster | all he did was pay for some adsl |
| 00:06.23 | raster | buy a pc |
| 00:06.24 | raster | plug it in |
| 00:06.28 | jpinx-eeepc | uses internet cafe machines all over the third world - they are unlicenced, pirated XP home edition riddled with viruses |
| 00:06.31 | raster | and charge u 50rupees/hr to use it |
| 00:06.34 | raster | for example |
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| 00:06.47 | raster | now imagine that machine has beeen there for 4 years |
| 00:06.59 | raster | by now its a virus and trojan and script kiddie infested MESS |
| 00:07.05 | raster | the kbdinput is logged and sent off somewhere |
| 00:07.23 | raster | theres a dozen viruses that have infested the kbd driver and otehre things that can insert keystrokes |
| 00:07.33 | raster | u cant trust that machine as far as u can throw it |
| 00:07.40 | raster | u just never connect it to your trusted n900 |
| 00:07.42 | raster | nothing u can do |
| 00:07.52 | SpeedEvil | Sure there is. |
| 00:08.04 | SpeedEvil | It's still useful as a network connection. |
| 00:08.06 | raster | any privilege u give that machine opens a hole to your n900 |
| 00:08.07 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: ok - so I use the n900 keypad... I just want the big screeni |
| 00:08.22 | SpeedEvil | an untrusted network connection you VPN through. But still. |
| 00:08.25 | raster | and by using its kbd/screen u are opening such a hole for yourself as a user - and thus it can access anything you can access via that same hole |
| 00:09.01 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: thats safer as u are allowing "output from n900 only" |
| 00:09.06 | ds3 | it doesn't even have to be root/admin |
| 00:09.19 | ds3 | there is a little keystroke recorder that you can connect in series with the keyboard |
| 00:09.21 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: by the same token, I use their wifi to the n900, and everything will be snooped |
| 00:09.34 | jpinx-eeepc | they are usually public wifi with a webpage login |
| 00:09.39 | raster | SpeedEvil: sure - but jpinx-eeepc is takling of using that pc as a kbd/screen |
| 00:09.47 | SpeedEvil | raster: I was wondering today about data-over-skype. |
| 00:09.56 | raster | that means allowing unecrypted input from his fingers thru the kbd of that untrusted machine to the n900 |
| 00:09.56 | SpeedEvil | raster: video skype call. |
| 00:10.07 | raster | so doesnt matter if u turn it into an encrypted session over usbnet |
| 00:10.16 | SpeedEvil | raster: vpning over video patterns and audio patterns on the display, and camera |
| 00:10.16 | raster | its already made it thru the untrusted host unecrypted as kbd input |
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| 00:10.34 | raster | the chain of trust is broken as soon as u press the key on that kbd :) |
| 00:10.42 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's not. |
| 00:10.52 | SpeedEvil | raster: You can unplug the keyboard, and use it that way |
| 00:11.16 | SpeedEvil | Either using audio->keystroke, or virtual keyboard style, with the camera pointing at it. |
| 00:11.20 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: for wifi - as above. u connect frokma trusted host n900) and encrypt BEFORE it gets to the untrusted medium (their wifi), and gets decrypted at the other end (trusted server) |
| 00:11.39 | SpeedEvil | Or even USB keyboard on USB host. |
| 00:11.43 | raster | SpeedEvil: vkbd doesnt help |
| 00:11.46 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: tell that to my bank ) |
| 00:11.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | check backscroll or chanlogs for german ID cards |
| 00:11.54 | raster | if trojan/virus is scanning and recording the screen |
| 00:11.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | same issue |
| 00:12.03 | raster | and can issue the same fake mouse events to do it |
| 00:12.06 | raster | same principle |
| 00:12.15 | raster | u just make it harder and more "custom"' for your device |
| 00:12.28 | SpeedEvil | raster: Sure - attacks that record the screen are mitigated by the simple fact of bandwidth of attack. |
| 00:12.30 | raster | sure - the virsus would need to expliucitly know how your system works |
| 00:12.34 | raster | as its unique/rare |
| 00:12.39 | raster | but thats security via obscurity :) |
| 00:13.05 | ds3 | raster: don't even need that... a tiny usb box in the keyboard cable and it is game over... |
| 00:13.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | yawns |
| 00:13.18 | raster | ds3: that too |
| 00:13.22 | raster | thats my whole point |
| 00:13.44 | raster | if your taks is "real unbreakable security" u cannto have an untrusted element of the chain exist that has unecrypted data |
| 00:13.47 | ds3 | http://www.keelog.com/diy.html |
| 00:13.51 | ds3 | take a look at that :D |
| 00:13.55 | raster | thats everything from the kbd hw itself |
| 00:14.06 | raster | all the way to the entry point on your trusted host |
| 00:14.25 | raster | encryoption is only useful if you can trust the 2 ends |
| 00:14.40 | raster | then it can work through any number and type of untrusted hops along the way |
| 00:14.42 | nox- | ..and then comes obama and wants the keys |
| 00:14.44 | raster | :) |
| 00:14.48 | raster | hahaha |
| 00:14.55 | ds3 | encryption/vpns/etc are all easy ways to get a false sense of security |
| 00:15.08 | ds3 | one must understand exactly what they are doing and the environment or there will be no security |
| 00:15.11 | raster | ds3: thats my point |
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| 00:15.20 | raster | just throwing some encryuption in makes no sense |
| 00:15.26 | raster | UNLESS u also ensure both ends are trusted |
| 00:15.28 | ds3 | raster: *nod* just echoing what you are saying |
| 00:15.33 | nox- | yeah |
| 00:15.36 | raster | if 1 end is not trusted - there is no point |
| 00:15.45 | raster | u just think its secure |
| 00:15.51 | raster | because u threw in some encryption |
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| 00:16.12 | raster | if u want your n900 secure |
| 00:16.14 | raster | use its own kbd |
| 00:16.16 | raster | and its own screen |
| 00:16.24 | raster | and make sure u dont get anything malicious onto it |
| 00:16.26 | nox- | ...and who knows if there are flaws/backdoors in the gsm/3g link too |
| 00:16.28 | raster | ie that u can trust it |
| 00:16.29 | raster | :) |
| 00:16.35 | raster | no indeed |
| 00:16.40 | raster | nox-: indeed |
| 00:16.42 | ds3 | or personally verify every bit of software that goes onto the bare hardware |
| 00:16.47 | raster | yup |
| 00:16.53 | raster | actually verify the hw too |
| 00:16.54 | raster | :) |
| 00:17.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | in Germany there's an age old sticker for phones (computers, whatever): "Feind hört mit!" |
| 00:17.15 | jpinx-eeepc | hehehe |
| 00:17.15 | jpinx-eeepc | I hear you raster - I'll think again - thanks for the smack ! :) |
| 00:17.20 | raster | np |
| 00:17.21 | ds3 | look at the reports of how android apps are screwing over users despite the claims it is secure and will protect your data |
| 00:17.28 | raster | of course.. if u are willing to take a risk |
| 00:17.28 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: it's not so much the logging of keystrokes/screens/etc . I can control what I ask for and only do non-important surfing like looking for flights |
| 00:17.31 | raster | u can "make it harder" |
| 00:17.37 | raster | by making it "more obscure" |
| 00:17.51 | raster | ie there is a lower CHANCE the attacker knows about your obscure connection/control method |
| 00:18.01 | raster | and a lower CHANCE that they can slip something in |
| 00:18.42 | raster | but now we are simply talking of risk factors as a percentage chance that they may be smart/knowledgebale enough to be able to figure your stuff out (in advance) |
| 00:18.48 | raster | encryuption itself depends on that too |
| 00:18.59 | raster | it just makes that chance so low that its effectively 0 |
| 00:19.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | security by obamity err obscurity |
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| 00:19.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | never works |
| 00:19.13 | raster | all encryption (in common use today) can be decrypted |
| 00:19.20 | raster | given enough time and compute power |
| 00:19.48 | raster | juyst with long enough keys + good algorithms it makes that time+equipment required so rediculously huge |
| 00:19.51 | raster | that its silly |
| 00:20.18 | raster | (inthe end time + compute power becomes a dollar amount - how much hw do u have to buy to crak your encryption within 1 minute for example) |
| 00:20.25 | raster | ie a useful period of time to exploit it |
| 00:20.38 | nox- | yeah wasnt there some job posting looking for quantum computing experts a while ago that said `assume working hw'? |
| 00:20.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | steganography ftw |
| 00:20.47 | raster | does it cost $0, $100, $1mil, $1billion, etc. etc. |
| 00:21.35 | nox- | so for all we know, non-quantum encryption may already be worthless |
| 00:22.16 | raster | possible indeed |
| 00:22.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | quntumis worthless as well |
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| 00:22.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | every laser is a quantum multiplier |
| 00:23.03 | raster | ok |
| 00:23.09 | raster | time to popsicle-stand |
| 00:23.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever that maens |
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| 00:24.14 | jpinx-eeepc | that cleared the air ;) |
| 00:24.26 | ds3 | encryption is a delaying tactic |
| 00:24.40 | ds3 | so make your information worthless quicker then it takes to decrypt it |
| 00:24.46 | jpinx-eeepc | ds3: very true . time and money will always crack it |
| 00:24.49 | SpeedEvil | Or one-time-pad. |
| 00:25.01 | SpeedEvil | Which nobody can crack - with proper pad managment |
| 00:25.46 | nox- | DocScrutinizer51, sounds like he wants some icecream? :) |
| 00:25.59 | ds3 | OTP can be cracked with other means |
| 00:26.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | Britains, when getting that enigma from U147(?), were able to decode all the comu of last 3 years |
| 00:26.10 | ds3 | i.e. you crack the person, not the encryption. |
| 00:27.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | this is really a replay of a b-movie |
| 00:28.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | actually everything been stated several times |
| 00:29.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | steganography ftw |
| 00:30.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | my beer much more attractive than that old stinking security debate |
| 00:30.30 | jpinx-eeepc | the fact that "security" is time-limited only means that you have to stay one step ahead by changing keys/passwds/etc more frequently |
| 00:30.50 | jpinx-eeepc | pulls up a crate of guinness |
| 00:30.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ohnoes |
| 00:31.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | Britains, when getting that enigma from U147(?), were able to decode all the comu of last 3 years |
| 00:32.46 | ds3 | crate? don't they come in kegs? |
| 00:33.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | crope comes in nuges |
| 00:35.05 | jpinx-eeepc | ds3: has never sucked a bottle of guinness? |
| 00:35.20 | jpinx-eeepc | it was aroun long before those kegs ;) |
| 00:35.23 | jpinx-eeepc | d |
| 00:36.17 | ieatlint | guinness is one of those beers that is just so much better from a keg... bottle isn't worth it in my opinion |
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| 00:36.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | stuxnet wins |
| 00:37.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | next is a generic 8051 virus |
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| 00:37.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | our hackers are already half way there |
| 00:38.00 | nox- | haha |
| 00:38.29 | ieatlint | someone go write a virus to target SCADA systems of breweries like budweiser |
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| 00:39.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | FUCK DROPTEST to stone floor from 120cm, slide opened |
| 00:39.53 | nox- | intentionally? :/ |
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| 00:39.57 | jpinx-eeepc | ffs! |
| 00:39.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | looks odd, maybe can fix the housing |
| 00:40.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | drunken gf |
| 00:40.47 | ieatlint | lol |
| 00:41.01 | jpinx-eeepc | did *her* slide open? |
| 00:41.09 | ieatlint | my gf accomplishes that without the need for alcohol |
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| 00:42.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | my fault. dont hug people while holding N900 |
| 00:42.54 | nox- | :( |
| 00:43.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | well it 'works', no? |
| 00:44.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | if only there were some warranty with those devel devices |
| 00:45.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | then I'd dare to disassemble to fix it |
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| 00:53.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | the screen half outer frame seems broken. Thought it's metal, now I realize it's plasitc that can have parts broken out |
| 00:53.58 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 00:54.01 | SpeedEvil | Damn. |
| 00:55.06 | jpinx-eeepc | passes the araldite |
| 00:56.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | whatever that is |
| 00:57.54 | jpinx-eeepc | glue |
| 00:58.31 | delt | drunken gf =) |
| 00:59.22 | delt | i like that abbreviation "gf" ... sometimes i can answer with: "You did WHAT with your grandfather???" |
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| 01:00.39 | ieatlint | do you really want to know the answer to that though? |
| 01:01.13 | delt | haha, not more than i want to know how you got your nick :D |
| 01:01.29 | e-yes | http://forum.nitdroid.com/index.php?topic=458.msg2598#new |
| 01:03.30 | delt | damn... who would have thought bzip2'ing a jffs2 image would take so long..!! |
| 01:03.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | well, in Germany it's normal to have GV with your GF |
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| 01:05.12 | delt | GV? |
| 01:05.15 | rohanpm | delt: isn't jffs2 already compressed? |
| 01:05.33 | delt | um, the wikipedia arcticle doesn't mention it at all..... |
| 01:05.52 | delt | actually 18:57 < delt> what puzzles me is thath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS doesn't contain a single word that starts with "compres" |
| 01:06.09 | rohanpm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS2 does :-) |
| 01:06.59 | delt | *FACE. PALM.* duuuuh *then slaps forehead* anyone have a sledge hammer..... :/\/\/\/\/\ |
| 01:07.27 | ieatlint | yeah, jffs2 is compressed |
| 01:07.32 | ieatlint | so is ubifs |
| 01:07.39 | delt | so, junk food filesystem2 is indeed compr...yeah, compressed -) |
| 01:08.11 | ieatlint | and if you have need to mount a jffs2 partition on your desktop, god help you :P |
| 01:08.19 | ieatlint | need to simulate a block device and shit |
| 01:09.05 | delt | oh, on this computer? |
| 01:09.30 | delt | mount -o loop jffs2file.img /mnt/wherever .....? wouldnt work? |
| 01:09.43 | ieatlint | nope |
| 01:10.09 | ieatlint | http://www.digitalpeer.com/id/mount has an example of what to do |
| 01:10.11 | delt | whereas mount -o loop ext3file.img /mnt/whereverelse would..... |
| 01:10.24 | ieatlint | doesn't look as bad on that page.. but it's a real mess when you think about it all, hehe |
| 01:10.51 | delt | dd if=jffs2.img of=/dev/mtdblock0 <--- so he uses a flash device as intermediate |
| 01:11.18 | ieatlint | he emulates an mtd device |
| 01:11.22 | delt | then mounting said device itself and not the device |
| 01:11.27 | delt | then mounting said device itself and not the image |
| 01:11.28 | ieatlint | then dd's the jffs2 image to it |
| 01:11.33 | ieatlint | then mounts the mtd device |
| 01:11.42 | DocScrutinizer | heads ut, cackling in an evil and mad manner |
| 01:11.53 | delt | ah ok... misread this line modprobe mtdram total_size=24576 erase_size=128 |
| 01:12.25 | ieatlint | yeah, size may need to be adjusted for your jffs2 image |
| 01:12.41 | ieatlint | there are other guides that talk more about it with actual docs |
| 01:12.50 | ieatlint | openmoko's wiki likely has a whole page about it |
| 01:13.21 | DocScrutinizer | I should investigate how to cause a CORE MELTDOWN by appropriate I2C commands to the USB charger bq24150 chip |
| 01:13.33 | delt | openwiki's moko likely wuh what? |
| 01:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | moko???? |
| 01:13.52 | DocScrutinizer | ~joerg |
| 01:13.52 | infobot | hmm... joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer |
| 01:13.55 | ieatlint | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Jffs2 has some info and http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Userspace_root_image has more |
| 01:14.15 | delt | *looks up on wikipedia* |
| 01:14.22 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 01:14.27 | DocScrutinizer | have fun |
| 01:14.28 | delt | joerg du bist's ja? |
| 01:14.39 | delt | hab ein wenig deutsch in der schule gelernt =) |
| 01:15.28 | delt | UND JETZT IST MEINE GEDUL...uh i mean.... now my patience is up with fucking WINDOWS PARTITIONS!@#$% |
| 01:15.34 | DocScrutinizer | schoen fuer dich, aber ich muss dich leider gleich aus dem chanel kicken, fuer abusive language |
| 01:15.45 | delt | tml :( |
| 01:15.50 | ieatlint | lol |
| 01:16.06 | ieatlint | why am i doubting kicken is a real german verb |
| 01:16.21 | nox- | oh it is... |
| 01:17.00 | delt | moment mal, "abusive language" als "fuck" "shit" usw.... oder einfach als deutsch schreiben |
| 01:17.04 | delt | ? |
| 01:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | kicker is a famous german news mag about football |
| 01:18.22 | DocScrutinizer | german is the 'better English' |
| 01:18.36 | delt | english -is- a "germanic" language |
| 01:18.55 | DocScrutinizer | for further answers ask youtube: frank zappa |
| 01:19.01 | delt | well, a simplified 10:1 german (at least ancient english with thee, thou, thy, ....) |
| 01:20.18 | wmarone | ãã¤ãèªåãããªã㪠|
| 01:20.30 | DocScrutinizer | lerry likes to dress up funny, tonite he iss dressed up like Frank SSappa. Letss ask him, whatss se deal |
| 01:21.02 | DocScrutinizer | (FZ 200 Motels) |
| 01:21.15 | delt | also ieatlint...uh i mean "the person bearing the nickname ieatlint": canadian french has a LOT of "englishism" words that are waaaay worse than "kicken" :D |
| 01:21.49 | ieatlint | french is a just a joke :P |
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| 01:22.25 | delt | depends what revision of the language you are speaking |
| 01:22.56 | delt | also did you compile french as a module, or have it brain-built? |
| 01:23.40 | DocScrutinizer | french is a remedy used when you ate much too old oysters |
| 01:23.52 | delt | HAHAHAHA |
| 01:24.27 | delt | or what you'd THINK are old oysters..... or, either very very good cheese, or very very old shoe soles. |
| 01:25.15 | DocScrutinizer | ever been in china? in a really classical restaurant? :-D |
| 01:25.47 | DocScrutinizer | I never would want to eat that eggs |
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| 01:26.33 | delt | nope.... but those.. chicken abortions from Cambodia were quite similar.... |
| 01:26.43 | DocScrutinizer | inside green like copper, outside transparent like platic stored in a air condition of a smokers' apartment |
| 01:27.14 | delt | and about 1/4 - 1/5 of the egg is a solid white-ish mass....that sticks to the inside of the shell? |
| 01:27.34 | delt | if we're talking about the same - or similar thing |
| 01:27.47 | DocScrutinizer | you'd never think anybody could even chew that |
| 01:28.10 | delt | the hard white thing? you're supposed to throw it away |
| 01:28.29 | nox- | i guess many chinese think similar about drinking milk from a cow... |
| 01:28.47 | delt | same as we do for eating cats and dogs.... |
| 01:28.51 | nox- | yah |
| 01:29.27 | delt | personally i dont really like aborted chickens, but they can eat cats all they want AS LONG AS ITS NOT MY PRECIOUS CAMILLE!!!! |
| 01:29.33 | DocScrutinizer | actually milk is becoming quite popular in china |
| 01:29.37 | delt | see i <3 my cat |
| 01:29.40 | nox- | heh |
| 01:30.35 | delt | had her for about 8 years.... since she was a little baby kitten the size of a mouse |
| 01:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | shop prices rised for China buying out milk markets in Germany |
| 01:30.42 | nox- | but dont many chinese have lactose intolerance? |
| 01:31.00 | DocScrutinizer | they give a shit |
| 01:31.03 | nox- | hah |
| 01:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | like redskins give a shit bout ethanol |
| 01:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | it's ""cool"" |
| 01:31.52 | nox- | :P |
| 01:31.55 | DocScrutinizer | and expensive |
| 01:32.08 | pigeon | what's chinook again? |
| 01:32.12 | DocScrutinizer | so if you can afford |
| 01:32.26 | DocScrutinizer | some maemo vesion? |
| 01:32.42 | pigeon | yeah, is that older or newer than fremantle? |
| 01:32.53 | DocScrutinizer | muuuuuuuuuuuuuuch older |
| 01:33.00 | pigeon | right, thanks |
| 01:34.55 | delt | oh, this X11 server running on the n810, is a X11 server, right? |
| 01:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | damn, thinking about my next breakfast... if I had paypal, how much would you pay for that answer? |
| 01:35.15 | delt | so what part of the UI would be "analogous" to the window manager? |
| 01:36.26 | delt | and would it be possible to configure that "window manager" (or of sorts) to support multi-workspace, like say, xfce, kde, windowmaker, etc....? |
| 01:36.30 | ShadowJK | adjusted the clips holding the battery, and added 900 micrometers of paper padding ontop of sim bay |
| 01:36.43 | ShadowJK | and it's been stable for 15 whole minutes |
| 01:36.43 | DocScrutinizer | c'mon, not even some keystrokes like "0.00"? |
| 01:36.45 | ShadowJK | yay |
| 01:37.18 | delt | DocScrutinizer: sorry, i |
| 01:37.23 | ShadowJK | delt, it doesn't really have a workspace to begin with, considering windows have two possible sizes.. |
| 01:37.24 | delt | DocScrutinizer: sorry, i 've never had a mobile phone |
| 01:37.47 | delt | so that \n's why i never been familiar with open(or closed)moko |
| 01:37.51 | DocScrutinizer | k, n8 |
| 01:37.54 | delt | fucking US keyboard |
| 01:38.16 | delt | yeah... normal, fullscreen |
| 01:38.45 | ShadowJK | atleast on n8x0 there's physical button to switch app |
| 01:38.54 | DocScrutinizer | ruined N900 plus this non-reply. I think that's ebough for pleasant dreams |
| 01:39.09 | ShadowJK | heh |
| 01:39.16 | ieatlint | delt: by "aborted chickens" do you mean balut? |
| 01:39.16 | delt | so.... int x_size; int y_size; 64 bits (or 32 or 128 depending on architecture) gets replaced by 1 flag |
| 01:39.25 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: you're my alltime hero! |
| 01:39.45 | ShadowJK | yeah now you're drunk for sure |
| 01:39.59 | delt | personwhoclaimstoeatlint: Balut (egg), an Asian delicacy <--- in that case, yes |
| 01:39.59 | DocScrutinizer | not enough, for sure |
| 01:40.42 | ieatlint | you can get balut here |
| 01:40.45 | DocScrutinizer | actually one beer plus one vodka can't really disturb my operation mode |
| 01:40.45 | delt | A balut is a fertilized duck (or chicken) egg with a nearly-developed embryo inside that is boiled and eaten in the shell. |
| 01:40.47 | ieatlint | it's awesome for freaking out vegans |
| 01:41.14 | delt | yes, that looks a lot like it |
| 01:41.20 | ieatlint | expensive though |
| 01:41.41 | delt | i dont mind the taste, or texture, but ...yeah 1. the price, and 2. out of respect.... |
| 01:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | but a girl hitting my N900 so it falls to the ground, that's actually a bummer |
| 01:42.26 | delt | DocScrutinizer: "drunken" as you mentioned earlier? :/ |
| 01:42.52 | DocScrutinizer | seems that is correct description, yes |
| 01:44.26 | delt | well, when i had a girlfriend and she was horny, she liked a lot when i was "indrunkitated".... the owner of the block where we lived made wine, sold it to us for $5 a bottle... would get a few and practically ....well, you get the idea |
| 01:44.29 | DocScrutinizer | is off for preparing to do COBOL coding for some bank tomorrow |
| 01:45.24 | delt | anyhow, not that im in any way proud of that, but... meh, still good memories |
| 01:45.31 | DocScrutinizer | meamo doesn't buy bagels |
| 01:45.56 | ieatlint | COBOL ... hehehe |
| 01:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | compilable lyrics |
| 01:47.01 | delt | COBOL im lucky i never had the ...pleasure of learning that in school |
| 01:47.39 | delt | inst that obsolete by a few decades or half a century btw? |
| 01:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | IF BLA IS GREATER THAN 5 THEN ADD 7 TO X, AFTER DIVIDE Y BY Z GIVING RESULT REMAINDER R |
| 01:48.52 | delt | heh, one thing that reminded me of that (maybe 10-15 years ago) was "hypercard" on the old mac's. had a very "fluent-english-like" scripting language |
| 01:49.13 | delt | dunno if that is still in any kind of use today, but .. i had lots of fun with that when i was in high school =)' |
| 01:49.20 | delt | -' |
| 01:49.42 | delt | i especially liked its global variable "it" |
| 01:50.22 | delt | "calculate the value of me + the next widget on this page" "put it in variable X" |
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| 01:51.31 | delt | ms "visual" basic was a total ripoff of hypercard, except 1. it sucked in every aspect compared to, and 2. they were too cheap to develop a scripting language, so they used the basic interpreter they had pirated from sun microsystems like 10 years before |
| 01:52.06 | DocScrutinizer | you can have a COMPUTE A = B + 0 in cobol, but a COMPUTE A = B doesn't work. You have to use MOVE B TO A for that |
| 01:52.09 | delt | or whatever hideous mutation thereof, in the microsoft-ish style of.. microsoft |
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| 01:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | MOVE CORRESPONDING is plain awesome |
| 01:54.19 | DocScrutinizer | no other language has this |
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| 01:55.59 | ShadowJK | disconnects continue :( |
| 01:56.49 | flailingmonkey | what language? |
| 01:58.07 | delt | crapo bullshit oriented language |
| 01:58.21 | delt | or something like that |
| 01:58.40 | DocScrutinizer | 05 STRUCTA; 10 A PIC 9(5); 10 FILLER VALUE "that's just comment"; 10 B PIC 9(2) DSIPLAY; 05 STRUCTB; 10 B PIC 9(8) COMPUTATIONAL; A PIC A(4); ... MOVE CORR STRUCTB TO STRUCTA |
| 01:59.33 | DocScrutinizer | moves A to A and B to B |
| 01:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | while converting the values |
| 02:00.40 | delt | what was the "comment" mark in cobol? (did it even have one?) |
| 02:00.57 | DocScrutinizer | yes, a * in col 6 |
| 02:00.59 | DocScrutinizer | iirc |
| 02:01.28 | delt | ok, so if you spaced everything to be readable, and you had a number in the 4 digits starting....uh never mind :3 |
| 02:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | nah, if you never heard about STORAGE SECTION and LINKAGE SECTION, you just shouldn't bother |
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| 02:03.59 | DocScrutinizer | compilable lyrics: a THEN as well as a comma ',' is alowable almost everywhere |
| 02:04.21 | DocScrutinizer | a IF clause is terminated by a . |
| 02:04.30 | delt | 21:47 < DocScrutinizer> compilable lyrics |
| 02:04.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes, a DOT |
| 02:05.15 | DocScrutinizer | the dots always gave us much fun |
| 02:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | almost invisible on impact printer |
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| 02:06.30 | delt | heh.... |
| 02:06.31 | delt | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 206851135 2010-09-30 20:59 rootfs.img.bz2 |
| 02:06.31 | delt | [pts/9][user@deimos]:~/n810$ bunzip2 rootfs.img.bz2 |
| 02:06.31 | delt | [pts/9][user@deimos]:~/n810$ l rootfs.img |
| 02:06.33 | delt | -rw-r--r-- 1 user users 261619712 2010-09-30 20:59 rootfs.img |
| 02:06.57 | delt | thats the jffs2 image |
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| 02:07.39 | delt | so balut eggs do support compre..uh wait... |
| 02:08.17 | DocScrutinizer | IF FOO IS EQUAL TO BAR THEN ADD 1 TO VAR-A, THEN DIVIDE VAR-B BY 2. THEN CONTINUE WITH VAR-X DIVIDING X IN VAR-X BY 4 GIVING VOID REMAINDER MODULO-X |
| 02:08.18 | delt | cambodians never cooked balut eggs on a jffs2 filesystem?? |
| 02:08.43 | DocScrutinizer | naybody seen the dot? |
| 02:08.56 | delt | DocScrutinizer: yeah, if that wasnt ALL-CAPS it would pretty much resemble "hyperscript" on the old mac =) |
| 02:09.01 | delt | yeah after the 2. |
| 02:12.31 | DocScrutinizer | NOTE THIS IS a comment, until DOT. |
| 02:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | you can have NOTEs everywhere |
| 02:13.49 | delt | in hypercard it was -- |
| 02:14.04 | DocScrutinizer | NOTE == /*, DOT (.) == */ |
| 02:14.22 | delt | add 1 to x -- we count one more |
| 02:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | ADD ONE TO X GIVING Y. now guess if X has changed or not |
| 02:15.25 | delt | um.. in C that would be easy, depends if you use ++X or X++ |
| 02:15.41 | delt | but i dont know cobol enough to..uh..... i dont know cobol :) |
| 02:16.12 | delt | um no scratch that... havent coded in too long |
| 02:16.36 | delt | my guess: X HAS CHANGED, just to fuck everyone up? |
| 02:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | COBOL is a giant when it comes to sort / merge of incredibly lagre sets of records in files |
| 02:17.23 | DocScrutinizer | tbh I don't remember if Xhas changed or not |
| 02:17.37 | DocScrutinizer | I always use COMPUTE for that |
| 02:17.49 | DocScrutinizer | COMPUTE x = x + 1 |
| 02:17.54 | delt | hmm...... |
| 02:17.54 | delt | JFFS2 version 2.2. (NAND) © 2001-2006 Red Hat, Inc. |
| 02:17.55 | delt | MTD: Attempt to mount non-MTD device "/dev/loop0" |
| 02:18.15 | delt | that is after: mount -o loop -t jffs2 rootfs.img /mnt/ |
| 02:18.29 | DocScrutinizer | or ADD 1 to X |
| 02:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | friggin nifgtmare |
| 02:20.00 | DocScrutinizer | GIVING waaaaaaaahhh |
| 02:20.34 | DocScrutinizer | google for COBOL 88 |
| 02:20.43 | delt | ADD "girlfriend" to "me" GIVING "head" |
| 02:21.06 | DocScrutinizer | won't work, no " allowed |
| 02:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | except for string constants maybe |
| 02:22.04 | delt | hehe would have thought so |
| 02:22.15 | delt | print GO FUCK YOURSELF ASSHOLE |
| 02:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | microfocus cobol, blarghhh |
| 02:22.24 | delt | unknown output device ASSHOLE |
| 02:23.06 | DocScrutinizer | STOP RUN |
| 02:23.38 | delt | um that would be "stop" and then "run" or "stop the run"? |
| 02:24.19 | DocScrutinizer | left to reader for exercise |
| 02:25.23 | delt | void warranty(seal) {if (broken) {}} |
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| 02:34.59 | GeneralAntilles | boots an N800. |
| 02:37.05 | delt | oh, i installed a package from the extras repo, that changes the behaviour of the swap? (2 rectangles overlapped) button on the left of the n810 |
| 02:37.19 | delt | .... to a mac osx style "tile" display of running processes |
| 02:37.30 | cehteh | had an excellent bug yesterday |
| 02:37.33 | delt | i dont even remember what was the default behaviour of that button :D |
| 02:37.37 | GeneralAntilles | People complained a lot about the hardware, but it really had a lot to recommend. . . . |
| 02:37.57 | cehteh | when rearraning desktop icons every contact-icon was doubled (and exact copy underneath) |
| 02:38.10 | cehteh | but deleting one of them deleted both :P |
| 02:38.19 | delt | uh wuh? |
| 02:38.26 | delt | thewebsiteisdown.com |
| 02:38.27 | delt | :D |
| 02:38.39 | delt | the first clip they have on there is hilarious |
| 02:39.03 | delt | "sales guy vs. web dude" or something |
| 02:39.10 | delt | lmao'd several times watching it :D |
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| 02:45.11 | delt | so... "knots" (stream media from your desktop computer) is pretty useless if you have nfs working, i presume...? |
| 02:45.50 | ShadowJK | I forget, does knota do the upnp thing? |
| 02:46.14 | ShadowJK | some of these things have the desktop transcode videos on the fly to something more suitable |
| 02:47.02 | delt | cd - is a blessing when you can type 2 characters per second instead of 20, hehh..... |
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| 02:48.01 | ShadowJK | so how did you end up getting a n810 (right?) at this point in time |
| 02:48.39 | delt | my brother sold it to me, wanted one with cellphone capabilities builtin |
| 02:48.50 | delt | and he got it second hand from a guy in ontario |
| 02:48.58 | delt | so it was mine uh.... 3rd hand :D |
| 02:49.04 | ShadowJK | ah :) |
| 02:49.15 | delt | still owe him $40-50 bucks for it btw, had it for almost 2 weeks now |
| 02:49.16 | ShadowJK | is it still on original battery? |
| 02:49.29 | delt | well, says nokia on it.... |
| 02:49.37 | ShadowJK | impressive :) |
| 02:50.33 | delt | fully or 9x% charged, says about 5 hours operation, as per specs i read on the net before "buyrowing" it from my bro (: |
| 02:51.38 | ShadowJK | the meter lies :) |
| 02:51.54 | ShadowJK | or rather, it always assumes the battery is brand new |
| 02:52.26 | delt | for the last few years, was always carrying an ipod nano (or more recently a sansa e260) .... which i mostly used to have my notes/phone#/etc. handy |
| 02:52.36 | delt | and sometimes to listen to music |
| 02:52.39 | ShadowJK | is the local battery geek |
| 02:52.46 | delt | hehe |
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| 02:53.30 | delt | well, this one gives me a good 3:30 - 4:00 hours continuous without plugging to the charger |
| 02:53.40 | SpeedEvil | No! |
| 02:53.42 | SpeedEvil | is! |
| 02:53.57 | SpeedEvil | Today I started building my battery analyser. |
| 02:54.09 | SpeedEvil | To do 12V/3.3/1.2 cells |
| 02:54.15 | delt | how much$ would a brand new one cost, say on ebay once i get sick of this one ie. when it drops to 10 minutes after 5 hours charging :D |
| 02:54.15 | SpeedEvil | well - batteries |
| 02:54.31 | SpeedEvil | $4? |
| 02:54.43 | SpeedEvil | Ebay batteries work well for most people. |
| 02:54.44 | SpeedEvil | But... |
| 02:54.46 | ShadowJK | they kinda vary in quality :/ |
| 02:55.05 | delt | plus $19.95 shipping, + border taxes, broker, hmm, $87.39 not too bad |
| 02:55.07 | ShadowJK | my original nokia is slightly pregnant and has about half capacity left |
| 02:55.40 | delt | speaking of pregnant i got a phone call from an old friend today, hadnt seen her in almost a year |
| 02:55.50 | delt | and well.. punchline is..... she's pregnant :3 |
| 02:56.04 | ShadowJK | $4 from china with hong kong post sailing past customs, $4 for cupcakes for the mailman so he doesn't take it and flog on ebay |
| 02:56.37 | delt | hey, what if i solder 2 or more of them in parallel, like i did with the ipod :D that worked, heheh |
| 02:57.50 | delt | or just buy a broken n8x0 on ebay for parts (like for ex. the battery connector) and solder said connector in parallel well.. you get the idea |
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| 02:58.55 | delt | oh, i also noticed milkytracker is in the extras repo, which is AWESOME!!!! ....but no schism tracker????? come on..... !!! |
| 02:59.00 | newbie007 | greetings, I have a n900 and just got a pico projector. It's a projector that has AV video input. I got a blue screen on the device.. any ideas? |
| 02:59.15 | delt | (i designed the schism tracker logo!!) |
| 02:59.22 | delt | like 5 years ago |
| 02:59.57 | delt | and fixed a few bugs / added a few features+enhancements in schism, when i had a few braincells left |
| 03:01.43 | SpeedEvil | newbie007: have you swirtched it to NTSC/PAL/... |
| 03:01.43 | delt | anyway, when i first got this tablet, that was one of the first programs i was wondering "will schismtracker run on that?" |
| 03:02.33 | delt | s/when/before/ |
| 03:02.55 | delt | s/got/bought/ |
| 03:03.03 | delt | s/bought/was offered to buy/ |
| 03:03.06 | newbie007 | SpeedEvil: never thought of it,, I don't think either device has it though.. ? |
| 03:03.07 | delt | ok ok.... |
| 03:03.23 | SpeedEvil | newbie007: you can switch the video standard onn900 |
| 03:03.34 | SpeedEvil | newbie007: umm.... settings -> tv out I think |
| 03:03.37 | newbie007 | ah ok,, good idea.. settings.. probally |
| 03:04.20 | delt | but seriously, with a foldable bluetooth keyboard, that would really be kickass =) |
| 03:04.35 | newbie007 | SpeedEvil: I went to pal, but same outcome |
| 03:05.36 | newbie007 | SpeedEvil: if I hook it to the tv, it just works.. I think it might be the cable.. It's a male headphone jack - smaller male headphone jack |
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| 03:09.13 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 03:13.05 | newbie007 | SpeedEvil: I did a av audio cables connection between the two devices and it works! |
| 03:15.02 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 03:15.07 | newbie007 | if anyone cares: the quality of the projector (pico100) is less than I had thought, but works well, I can switch between pal/ntsc |
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| 03:19.36 | GAN900 | "Don't respond to goddamn screen taps." |
| 03:19.42 | GAN900 | is a good OS feature |
| 03:20.16 | GAN900 | The more technology I use the more I loathe it. |
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| 03:21.37 | SpeedEvil | newbie007: the resolution is something like 250 pixels horizontally |
| 03:21.40 | SpeedEvil | Of the otuput |
| 03:24.19 | raster | GAN900: software used to be simple and reliable. then users wanted features. thats where it all fell apart. :) |
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| 03:39.44 | newbie007 | 640x480. barley usable, but it works |
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| 03:42.07 | SpeedEvil | It's not 640 pixels |
| 03:42.28 | SpeedEvil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52794 |
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| 03:50.58 | raster | SpeedEvil: i think u got rows and columns mised up |
| 03:50.59 | raster | :) |
| 03:51.17 | SpeedEvil | raster: nope |
| 03:51.20 | raster | u flip between them |
| 03:51.30 | raster | There are simply not 800 columns displayed on any TV standard, by most sensible measures. |
| 03:51.42 | raster | then instantly u go into the 480 rows of ntsc |
| 03:51.43 | raster | :) |
| 03:52.03 | raster | the rest makes sense |
| 03:52.14 | SpeedEvil | Seperate topics |
| 03:52.26 | SpeedEvil | 800 columns - from the 800 pixel resolution of the screen |
| 03:52.31 | SpeedEvil | umm |
| 03:52.34 | SpeedEvil | Or is it 820 |
| 03:52.43 | SpeedEvil | forgets |
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| 03:52.49 | raster | of the n900? |
| 03:52.59 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 03:53.04 | raster | 800x480 |
| 03:53.09 | raster | well u flip back and forth |
| 03:53.17 | raster | columens, then rows, then back to horiuzontal res |
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| 03:53.25 | raster | next paragraph |
| 03:53.41 | SpeedEvil | I was responding to 'etting at least the same resolution as the internal screen would be great.' |
| 03:53.46 | raster | the active picture is 52/64ths of the line |
| 03:54.00 | raster | ie that means that the HORIOZNTAL visible region is 52/64ths of the line |
| 03:54.30 | raster | u cant getanywhere near the internal screen indeed |
| 03:54.37 | raster | composite is hoirrid |
| 03:54.49 | raster | i think u;'ll be lucky to get 400x240 out of it |
| 03:54.55 | SpeedEvil | I don't see the problem you're having with the text |
| 03:55.24 | raster | oh wait |
| 03:55.25 | raster | never mind |
| 03:55.28 | raster | i see |
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| 03:58.13 | SpeedEvil | It could probably be clearer - but meh |
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| 03:58.20 | raster | hmm |
| 03:58.27 | raster | actuallyt your numebrs might be a little off |
| 03:58.33 | raster | tho about right-ish |
| 03:58.47 | raster | @ 4.5mhz for liminance |
| 03:58.51 | SpeedEvil | I was shooting for order of magnitude |
| 03:58.57 | raster | u have 29.96 frames per sec (interlaced frames) |
| 03:59.09 | raster | and 480 lines (not all visible) |
| 03:59.29 | raster | so thats more like 312 |
| 03:59.35 | raster | of which only part of the line is visible |
| 03:59.38 | raster | etc. etc. |
| 03:59.53 | raster | but order of magnitude you're right :) |
| 03:59.59 | raster | tv out is crap |
| 04:00.01 | raster | anyway |
| 04:00.57 | SpeedEvil | 480 lines of picture information, some of which may be lost to overscan |
| 04:01.03 | raster | yup |
| 04:01.21 | raster | <raster> and 480 lines (not all visible) |
| 04:01.26 | raster | (the not all visible bit) |
| 04:03.45 | SpeedEvil | And anyway, I divided by the line frequency |
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| 04:07.37 | SpeedEvil | http://www.analog.com/en/analog-to-digital-converters/ad-converters/ad7195/products/product.html |
| 04:07.40 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 04:09.25 | raster | bah |
| 04:09.27 | raster | analog |
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| 04:33.50 | newbie007 | is there any way to display a blender image or html5 on the n900 ? |
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| 04:34.12 | SpeedEvil | Someone got blender up and running |
| 04:34.38 | newbie007 | really I'd just want a player.. I'll googalge it |
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| 05:37.23 | h4xordood | heya :) |
| 05:37.40 | h4xordood | can some one tell how to change theme from xterminal |
| 05:37.57 | h4xordood | my theme button in system settings not workin |
| 05:38.10 | h4xordood | when i click themes it shows nothin |
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| 05:59.56 | slonopotamus | and now, after a year of porting gentoo on my n800 and compiling kde for it, i can finally feel the full glory of being able to play KTron on it! |
| 06:00.10 | Stskeeps | it took a year to compile kde? |
| 06:00.10 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 06:01.24 | newbie007 | how can I get the source for Desktop Clock Widget v0.4 ? |
| 06:02.00 | slonopotamus | no, i tried gnome before that :) |
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| 06:03.42 | merlin1991 | newbie007: apt-get source desktop-clock-widget 0.4 |
| 06:04.18 | merlin1991 | newbie007: or http://maemo.org/packages/source/view/fremantle_extras_free_source/desktop-clock-widget/0.4/ |
| 06:04.27 | newbie007 | merlin1991: thanks, what ah perfect |
| 06:04.54 | newbie007 | I'm currently running a rpm based os |
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| 06:07.19 | slonopotamus_ | oh noes |
| 06:07.26 | slonopotamus_ | it doesn't go UP |
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| 06:08.01 | slonopotamus_ | looks like world domination failed. |
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| 06:26.40 | skyscraper | hi |
| 06:27.15 | skyscraper | is it possible to configure n900 to only connect to sip-number "xy" only when its connected to wlan "abc" |
| 06:27.15 | skyscraper | ? |
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| 06:33.43 | mveplus | hello guys |
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| 06:37.13 | flailingmonkey | sounds like that guy with the pico projector "discovered" how Nokia went with a non-standard AV/headphone jack |
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| 06:53.56 | flailingmonkey | so, did usb host-mode and jrbme on N900 get stuck? |
| 06:54.07 | flailingmonkey | in their development |
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| 07:02.13 | slonopotamus_ | flailingmonkey: afaik, usb host-mode has separate channel, can't remember its name though |
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| 07:02.47 | flailingmonkey | hmm, interesting |
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| 07:03.01 | flailingmonkey | probably could search the irc logs for it |
| 07:03.33 | flailingmonkey | s/probably/I/ |
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| 07:03.43 | T-Co | usb host-mode in N900? Say what? |
| 07:03.53 | psycho_oreos | its in alpha state |
| 07:04.01 | mveplus | yes |
| 07:04.07 | T-Co | Awesome |
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| 07:04.33 | slonopotamus_ | flailingmonkey: #maemo-hostmode-discussion |
| 07:04.35 | flailingmonkey | when fremantle goes to community SSU, I expect that will help it to be deployed |
| 07:04.52 | flailingmonkey | slonopotamus_: thanks |
| 07:05.01 | Koll | hi all |
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| 07:05.34 | mveplus | thanks slonopotamus_ |
| 07:05.37 | Koll | Here you can chat about different topics? |
| 07:05.45 | slonopotamus_ | flailingmonkey: also, this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52227&page=22 |
| 07:05.58 | slonopotamus_ | Koll: except nitdroid |
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| 07:06.13 | psycho_oreos | Koll, as long as its related to maemo |
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| 07:07.27 | Koll | what is nitdroid? i am russian |
| 07:07.38 | slonopotamus_ | :D |
| 07:07.42 | Koll | i bad know english |
| 07:08.00 | slonopotamus_ | Koll: android port for nokia tablets |
| 07:08.16 | flailingmonkey | slonopotamus_ beat me to it |
| 07:08.37 | slonopotamus_ | flailingmonkey: uh? |
| 07:09.02 | slonopotamus_ | Koll: whatever, ask your question :) |
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| 07:10.37 | Koll | Here you can talk about American life? Parties, get-togethers, entertainment? |
| 07:10.53 | Stskeeps | only bacon |
| 07:11.27 | Koll | bacon?? |
| 07:11.41 | johnx | american life = bacon |
| 07:12.02 | Koll | why? |
| 07:12.07 | johnx | parties? only kind of party that's worth talking about is a bacon party |
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| 07:13.36 | Koll | oh... |
| 07:14.49 | Koll | and for films like American Pie. These parties do not? |
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| 07:16.10 | Koll | hey |
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| 07:16.21 | Koll | are you sleeping |
| 07:16.23 | Koll | ? |
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| 07:17.18 | psycho_oreos | I really don't think here would be a nice place to talk about American life :) not all of us comes from stateside (US) |
| 07:17.34 | kerio | BACON!!!!!!! |
| 07:17.45 | johnx | kerio, see. you understand me at least ... |
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| 07:18.17 | T-Co | Yanks. pfft |
| 07:18.42 | johnx | T-Co, at least we can agree on bacon |
| 07:18.44 | kerio | i'm actually italian ._. |
| 07:18.57 | johnx | <- yank :) |
| 07:18.59 | T-Co | johnx, Word |
| 07:19.01 | delt | mOOOzzarella! |
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| 07:19.08 | T-Co | I'm Finnish |
| 07:19.16 | ieatlint | nah, we don't agree on bacon in my experience |
| 07:19.27 | delt | i eatta riggatOOOOni with you tonIIIght! |
| 07:19.36 | johnx | O_o; |
| 07:19.38 | ieatlint | europe tends to prefer a thicker cut than is at all popular or common here in the states |
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| 07:20.02 | delt | "a fish called wanda" hilarious movie :D |
| 07:20.21 | T-Co | I just bought 0.5cm slices of bacon for my Coq au Chainti I'm planning to make today |
| 07:20.33 | T-Co | *Chianti |
| 07:20.34 | delt | coq au quoi??? |
| 07:20.42 | delt | uh... *quoi? |
| 07:20.58 | T-Co | Coq au vin but made in Chianti so Coq au Chianti |
| 07:20.59 | CWhiteham | C'est quoi un coq au chianti? |
| 07:21.15 | delt | en plein ce que j'allais demander |
| 07:21.32 | Koll | are you smoke weeds? |
| 07:21.37 | ieatlint | yeah, 5mm bacon is much thicker than you find here |
| 07:21.41 | T-Co | delt, :) |
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| 07:21.45 | ieatlint | we're typically probably 2mm or so |
| 07:22.18 | xkr47 | lol |
| 07:22.19 | delt | i remember "coq ou poule" from when i was a kid (those plants that grow in grass) |
| 07:22.36 | Koll | you eat bacon? |
| 07:23.12 | delt | me? generally yes, but not right now. i am eating Pretzel und Bier. |
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| 07:23.32 | Koll | ))) |
| 07:23.53 | Koll | and smoke canabis ? |
| 07:24.02 | delt | Bacon nicnt enthalten. |
| 07:24.18 | delt | nope... never touched that shit in my life, and dont intend to |
| 07:24.32 | crashanddie | delt, isn't poule ou coq a game? |
| 07:24.44 | delt | s/dont intend to/wouldnt be a good idea/ |
| 07:24.54 | delt | medications and all |
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| 07:25.42 | delt | crashanddie: yeah, a stupid 5 year old thing.... you had to guess if it was "coq" (rooster) or "poule" (uh..female chicken == hen?) |
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| 07:25.49 | mece | MohammadAG51, ping |
| 07:25.56 | T-Co | I once od'd and never touched since. First and last time :) |
| 07:25.58 | Koll | is the prevention of cancer. And flies) |
| 07:26.35 | delt | drugs is the prevention of cancer, and flies?? |
| 07:26.53 | delt | <--- not following |
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| 07:27.53 | Koll | dependance has not |
| 07:28.15 | CWhiteham | wir sall but probably doir sasn't havir sa thir sa faintir sast cluir sa what is going on. |
| 07:28.20 | CWhiteham | s/ir sa/e/g |
| 07:28.34 | delt | heh |
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| 07:29.18 | delt | i was thinknig about coming with some completely obfuscated gibberish, which once through s/a/b/ or something, said "go fuck yourself" or something |
| 07:29.34 | delt | (i may have just invented a new artform :D ) |
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| 07:30.21 | pupnik_ | review stoner ideas later, when sober |
| 07:30.35 | Koll | delt i bad understand you |
| 07:31.04 | delt | oooh, so the bot can take several -e arguments, just no "-e" |
| 07:31.10 | delt | now about that sa/e/g..?? |
| 07:32.13 | Koll | i not understanding |
| 07:32.15 | delt | koll which part? |
| 07:32.38 | Koll | <PROTECTED> |
| 07:33.06 | Koll | you were stoned to? |
| 07:33.47 | delt | hxlly mzthxfzckxr -> hello motherfucker (s/x/e/ s/y/o/ and so on) |
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| 07:34.16 | delt | so the "art form" i "invented" consists of: |
| 07:34.19 | delt | type a bunch of junk |
| 07:34.24 | delt | then s/ a bunch of junk |
| 07:34.35 | flailingmonkey | why would #maemo have any topics other than the BEEESSSTTT mobile phone os commercially released |
| 07:34.44 | delt | and the bot says <user> meant: <something clever/obscene/amusing/etc...> |
| 07:35.24 | flailingmonkey | infobot always understands me. she's my best friend |
| 07:36.02 | mece | flailingmonkey, well fonearena haven't officially announced the winner yet, if that's what you're referring to. |
| 07:36.20 | delt | how do you define and/or determine the gender of an irc bot? |
| 07:36.36 | FauxFaux | Stick it in it, and see if you're gay afterwards. |
| 07:36.56 | delt | oh, good one... this woman comes home, and finds her husband with a fly swatter. |
| 07:37.15 | delt | He says "Hey honey, i just killed 5 flies! 2 males and 3 females" |
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| 07:37.31 | delt | so she asks "how do you tell the males from the females???" |
| 07:37.51 | delt | "easy: 2 were on the beer cans, and 3 were on the phone :D " |
| 07:38.10 | flailingmonkey | lool |
| 07:38.30 | Koll | lol) |
| 07:39.17 | delt | not as "true story" as the "dont call your brother a SOB in front of your mom" but kind of amusing none the less -) |
| 07:40.58 | Koll | bye |
| 07:41.20 | delt | in french it's even worse "fils de pute" means son of a hooker/prostitute/whore/whatever |
| 07:41.26 | delt | nite koll |
| 07:42.06 | delt | or good morning in your case? (i probably should have "nite"d a number of hours ago) |
| 07:42.47 | mece | LOL |
| 07:42.52 | mece | good one delt :) |
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| 07:43.19 | delt | uh what? -) |
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| 07:44.16 | delt | oh yeah, about backing up the jffs2 partition on the n810 ... hahaha dunno wtf i was thinking :D :D |
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| 07:49.31 | delt | well, /usr/src/<project_of_some_importance> and /tmp/src/<any_other_junk_i_need_slash_want_to_install> have worked great for the last 15 years, using the root account only to install.... |
| 07:50.12 | delt | so whoever said /usr/ HAS TO be mounted read-only.... do you have mount points in /usr/src and /usr/local ...? |
| 07:50.54 | delt | not to mention 5 or 6 hdd's partitioned for each directory from / |
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| 07:56.41 | johnx | delt, /tmp commonly gets erased during boot on a lot of distros, just FYI :) |
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| 07:59.02 | delt | johnx: yeah like maemo heheh..... |
| 07:59.04 | skyscraper | i'm having a problem installing an app - getting: subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 07:59.24 | johnx | skyscraper, probably other errors. pastebin the whole output if you can |
| 07:59.36 | delt | personally i just think of /tmp as a part of my filesystem i should cleanup myself, sort out what i want to keep and rm -rf the rest |
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| 07:59.44 | skyscraper | johnx its the nitdroid installer O:-) |
| 08:00.21 | johnx | skyscraper, ok |
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| 08:00.44 | skyscraper | Setting up nitdroid-installer (0.2.6-3) ... dpkg: error processing nitdroid-installer (--configure): subprocess post-installation script returned error exit status 255 |
| 08:01.28 | johnx | is that actually the whole output from when you typed the command until you're back at a prompt? |
| 08:01.44 | johnx | if it's too long, use pastebin |
| 08:01.50 | skyscraper | not 100% |
| 08:02.06 | johnx | uhm, other than that, look at the content of the script it's talking about and try and understand why it would exit 255 |
| 08:03.00 | skyscraper | wait |
| 08:03.20 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:~# apt-get install nitdroid-installer Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done nitdroid-installer is already the newest version. The following packages were automatically installed and are no longer required: python-crypto libtpsession telepathy-salut pidgin-facebookchat libqt4-maemo5-dbus liblongcat1 libqt4-maemo5-gui libqtm-messaging python-telepathy acc |
| 08:03.26 | johnx | ~pastebin |
| 08:03.26 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
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| 08:04.14 | delt | ~maemo |
| 08:04.14 | infobot | i heard maemo is http://maemo.nokia.com/ http://maemo.org/ http://www.forum.nokia.com/Technology_Topics/Device_Platforms/Maemo.xhtml |
| 08:04.22 | skyscraper | http://pastebin.com/wQx5DBq0 |
| 08:04.42 | delt | ~women |
| 08:04.42 | infobot | women are not boys! :P |
| 08:04.56 | delt | ~men |
| 08:04.56 | infobot | Men are dumb! Thank goodness I'm just a bunch of bits on the interweb! |
| 08:05.08 | delt | ~interweb |
| 08:05.33 | delt | ~infobot |
| 08:05.34 | infobot | somebody said infobot was better than wowbot |
| 08:05.34 | Myrtti | are you done soon? |
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| 08:05.55 | delt | soon as sometime in the recent/immediate past, yes (and sry :D ) |
| 08:06.23 | johnx | delt, if you want to have long conversations with infobot you can actually send a PM I believe |
| 08:06.45 | johnx | skyscraper, look at the contents of /var/lib/dpkg/info/nitdroid-installer.postinst or some similarly named file |
| 08:06.55 | johnx | then try and find where it says to exit 255 |
| 08:07.19 | delt | heh =) |
| 08:07.35 | delt | ~johnx infobot -> marital_status |
| 08:07.42 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/dpkg/info# cat nitdroid-installer.postinst #!/bin/sh update-sudoers Nokia-N900-42-11:/var/lib/dpkg/info# |
| 08:08.35 | delt | oh, "jk" here would be kind of .... um, over-sarcastic |
| 08:08.55 | skyscraper | fixed it - renamed the nitdroid-installer.postinst |
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| 08:09.23 | johnx | skyscraper, just FYI, you may or may not just have made your N900 unbootable |
| 08:09.31 | johnx | google about 'update-sudoers' a bit |
| 08:09.49 | skyscraper | why? |
| 08:10.11 | johnx | why? cause I googled and people were having booting problems and talking about update-sudoers in the same post |
| 08:10.19 | skyscraper | argh |
| 08:10.28 | johnx | so you should read up and make sure it's not a problem before you reboot |
| 08:10.35 | johnx | 5 minutes of reading now will save you time later |
| 08:10.50 | johnx | entirely possible I'm wrong (likely even), but do your homework :) |
| 08:10.50 | skyscraper | i've done "update-sudoers" manually in shell |
| 08:10.52 | skyscraper | no error |
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| 08:11.13 | johnx | update-sudoers ; echo $? |
| 08:11.16 | johnx | run that ^ |
| 08:11.28 | skyscraper | ok wait |
| 08:11.33 | johnx | if it prints 0, you're good. if it prints 255 it means it's still failing |
| 08:12.27 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $? 255 |
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| 08:12.47 | johnx | time to do a bit of googling before you reboot |
| 08:13.15 | skyscraper | nitdroid wont install to |
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| 08:13.27 | skyscraper | Going to download the installation files. This will take a rather long time! Downloading nitdroid.manifest ...done Downloading NitDroid-0.0.8-Popov.tar.bz2 ...FAILURE. Bailing out. |
| 08:13.30 | skyscraper | afk a bit |
| 08:13.34 | skyscraper | be back later |
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| 08:20.04 | delt | whoa... i need to sleep... be back in a few weeks :/ |
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| 08:42.25 | skyscraper | re |
| 08:43.21 | skyscraper | WTF |
| 08:43.27 | skyscraper | my /etc/sudoers is very long |
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| 08:56.45 | skyscraper | having massive problems -.- |
| 08:58.02 | Hoxzer | which one uses more power on n900 3/4 wlan or full bar 3G? |
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| 08:58.16 | Stskeeps | you mean low bar 3g |
| 08:58.21 | skyscraper | when i have to reflash n900 is the /home/user/* folder deleted? |
| 08:58.21 | Stskeeps | low bar == need stronger signal |
| 08:58.42 | Hoxzer | Stskeeps: no, zI mean full bar |
| 08:58.57 | Hoxzer | a.k.a high bar |
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| 08:59.51 | skyscraper | f*** i CANT remove kernel-module-cifs... it says its in a very inconsistent state |
| 09:00.29 | psycho_oreos | you could probably try force remove |
| 09:00.40 | skyscraper | it says it should reinstall it... but when i try he wants to replace but gets many errors |
| 09:02.06 | skyscraper | anyone could help? http://pastebin.com/C3SZ8kHt |
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| 09:03.18 | pupnik_ | http://learningwebgl.com/blog/?p=2303 WebGL on N900! |
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| 09:05.39 | psycho_oreos | skyscraper, which kernel version are you running (in full detail) |
| 09:07.35 | skyscraper | psycho_oreos... i had stable kernel-power running... 10 minutes ago i used apt-get upgrade and updated kernel-power to extras-devel version.. so i think its kernel-power beta |
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| 09:08.29 | psycho_oreos | skyscraper, do uname -r and print out the output |
| 09:09.37 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# uname -r 2.6.28.10power37 |
| 09:09.45 | skyscraper | i doestn rebootet atm |
| 09:10.41 | skyscraper | anyone said i should NOT restart when my update-sudoers fails with error code 255 |
| 09:10.46 | psycho_oreos | you'll most likely need to reboot, as the package manager was looking for the current kernel version that you are running (which is obviously non-existent because you did kernel upgrade |
| 09:10.56 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $? 255 |
| 09:11.06 | skyscraper | is this a problem? |
| 09:11.32 | psycho_oreos | I don't know about that but I don't know why you updated the kernel without rebooting before installing a kernel modules |
| 09:11.33 | skyscraper | Nokia-N900-42-11:/home/user# update-sudoers ; echo $? |
| 09:11.39 | psycho_oreos | s/modules/module/ |
| 09:11.49 | skyscraper | hm |
| 09:12.14 | skyscraper | should i use "sudo reboot" or shutdown and start it via power button? |
| 09:13.03 | psycho_oreos | how relevant is the update-sudoers anyway? |
| 09:13.17 | skyscraper | dont know |
| 09:14.08 | psycho_oreos | or who said it or from where you read it/are following it? |
| 09:14.38 | mece | anyone who understand things about qml+js present? |
| 09:15.22 | skyscraper | psycho_oreos: johnx said it |
| 09:15.32 | psycho_oreos | skyscraper, hmm |
| 09:15.55 | psycho_oreos | did he also tell you to upgrade the kernel, or did you do that yourself? |
| 09:16.26 | skyscraper | i did that because i hoped that "apt-get upgrade" will fix some probs |
| 09:17.54 | psycho_oreos | well yeah in other words you've complicated the matter yourself lol |
| 09:18.01 | skyscraper | -.- |
| 09:19.20 | psycho_oreos | what you could do is either symlink that current kernel version with the installed kernel version for directory of kernel modules (or mount --bind) and then install the package.. double check to see if update-suoders thing exits with 0, if it still doesn't.. then reboot lol |
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| 09:21.08 | skyscraper | hmm |
| 09:22.56 | psycho_oreos | I don't understand how update-sudoers work let alone relate to the situation on hand but johnx seems to be a reputable person so I'm going to assume the same thing as well, make sure that it exits with 0 by all means :) |
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| 09:33.09 | yacc | Wondering, does maemo support usbnet when connected via USB? |
| 09:33.22 | yacc | Basically is there a way to tether through a N900 via USB? |
| 09:33.53 | psycho_oreos | yes, usb ip networking? |
| 09:34.36 | yacc | So I just need to "click" PC-Suite and do the ifconfigs on both sides? |
| 09:34.52 | psycho_oreos | no its not that simple.. hang on there's a link |
| 09:35.05 | psycho_oreos | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking |
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| 09:36.55 | skyscraper | yeah that with the symlink worked! |
| 09:36.58 | skyscraper | installed ok |
| 09:37.22 | skyscraper | but kernel-power-flasher crashes |
| 09:37.47 | skyscraper | because of post-install "update-sudoers" (crashing with 255) |
| 09:38.05 | Stskeeps | RST38h: http://www.independent.co.uk/opinion/columnists/miles-kington/high-court-hangups-747313.html |
| 09:38.12 | mece | Check out this short film by Blender Foundation: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRsGyueVLvQ It's very impressive :) |
| 09:38.23 | skyscraper | anyone could help with crashing "update-sudoers"? |
| 09:39.39 | psycho_oreos | after install, you should remove the symlink |
| 09:39.43 | yacc | Well, actually I want to do it the other way, does the N900 default kernel have iptables NAT available? |
| 09:40.17 | skyscraper | ok |
| 09:40.20 | psycho_oreos | I don't think N900 by default would have iptables but I could be wrong |
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| 09:41.27 | mece | Stskeeps, omgwtflol! |
| 09:41.37 | skyscraper | should i restart or its possible to fix the problem with update-sudoers? |
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| 09:46.27 | ShadowJK | uusually you use n900 as usb 3g modem, not as usb ethernet device.. |
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| 09:48.39 | mece | Stskeeps, it continues:.. http://www.ocnus.net/artman2/publish/Light_Side_14/The_Man_who_Stole_40_000_Coat_Hangers.shtml |
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| 09:48.46 | nandan | hello |
| 09:48.50 | korhojoa | hello |
| 09:48.57 | nandan | i want to flush n900 |
| 09:49.05 | nandan | how can i do it |
| 09:49.05 | psycho_oreos | there are instances where you need n900 to function as usb ethernet device :p such as file transfers whilst maintaining shell/vnc access |
| 09:49.07 | korhojoa | uhh. |
| 09:49.23 | korhojoa | put it in the toilet bowl. push button/pull lever |
| 09:49.33 | nandan | sorry flash |
| 09:49.33 | korhojoa | i don't know why you want to do that though |
| 09:49.35 | nandan | :) |
| 09:49.38 | korhojoa | send it to me instead |
| 09:49.49 | korhojoa | read the wiki |
| 09:49.50 | nandan | i got some problem |
| 09:49.54 | yacc | ShadowJK, you mean that I get an USB "serial device" that I can set AT commands to do connect? |
| 09:49.55 | psycho_oreos | nandan, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware |
| 09:50.00 | nandan | okk |
| 09:50.02 | nandan | thanks |
| 09:50.14 | psycho_oreos | nw |
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| 09:54.08 | psycho_oreos | any of you have bh-905? mine no longer powers up.. damn flaky nokia devices :| |
| 09:56.01 | skyscraper | rebooted.... n900 bricked |
| 09:56.25 | skyscraper | showing some crazy bootmanager restarting all the time and i cant select anything |
| 09:57.00 | skyscraper | oh |
| 09:57.14 | psycho_oreos | ahh fixed it, stupid thing |
| 09:57.22 | skyscraper | when i press "1" without pressing anything before it boots original maemo kernel |
| 09:57.26 | skyscraper | omap... not power |
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| 09:57.54 | skyscraper | yeah back in maemo now :D |
| 09:58.05 | skyscraper | how to modify the bootmanager to boot the powerkernel? |
| 09:58.35 | marmoute | skyscraper: with a bootmanager modifycation tools |
| 09:58.49 | skyscraper | marmoute: can i download it with apt-get? |
| 09:59.21 | skyscraper | uname -r says 2.6.28-omap1... thats original kernel istn it? |
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| 10:08.58 | majeru | hi, has anyone in here OC'ed a N900? |
| 10:09.29 | secyritas | ye |
| 10:09.38 | Stskeeps | majeru: would recommend against it |
| 10:09.45 | majeru | :) |
| 10:10.33 | majeru | mine is running at 900 MHz for a few minutes now, and seems stable |
| 10:11.02 | majeru | i'm keeping it at max with an infinite loop |
| 10:11.12 | Stskeeps | yeah, but your eMMC suffers and other parts |
| 10:11.34 | majeru | the temperature is now 38C |
| 10:11.38 | Stskeeps | people has been getting bad sectors on emmc = fucking bad |
| 10:11.38 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 10:11.41 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~tell majeru about omap-oc |
| 10:11.48 | majeru | Stskeeps: ouch |
| 10:11.57 | Stskeeps | so that's why i'm saying 'don't do it' |
| 10:12.03 | majeru | thanks |
| 10:12.09 | SpeedEvil | majeru: you cannot measure the core temperature |
| 10:13.18 | majeru | ok, I quit then |
| 10:13.44 | majeru | I didn't notice much improvement anyway |
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| 10:19.04 | ShadowJK | i'm surprised if it just appears as bad block |
| 10:19.40 | ShadowJK | that'd be like the first flash device i'd ever seen that fails so benignly |
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| 10:20.15 | ShadowJK | usually they just lock up and require poweroff reset on a bad block condition ;p |
| 10:21.21 | ShadowJK | yacc: yes |
| 10:23.34 | yacc | ShadowJK: Only issue left is that phone starts to act as an comedian when used as an USB modem => I'm getting yellow band messages about the phone using more power than it gets from the host, and it recommends to use the power outlet charger instead. Wonder where Nokia has hidden that second USB port, if I know my luck it's under the battery and inaccessible ;) |
| 10:23.55 | ShadowJK | hehe |
| 10:24.16 | lcuk | yacc, if you have yellow messages visible, that means your screen is illuminated ;) |
| 10:24.26 | ShadowJK | power use stays approximately balanced at +-0 with screen off for me |
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| 10:25.44 | yacc | lcuk, ah, I see, I shouldn't use the N900 to surf on top of being a modem, so I'll finish that and switch to the PC, and everything will be fine :) |
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| 10:27.28 | lcuk | yacc, I find I can do most things in any order even using usb |
| 10:27.43 | lcuk | but I have my screen brightness quite far down (2nd notch) |
| 10:28.53 | SpeedEvil | max notch to one down saves most power |
| 10:29.02 | SpeedEvil | subsequent powersaving is really quite small. |
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| 10:29.14 | yacc | lcuk, well, the N900 seems to have a much nicer battery than my old G1. Even taking in account that the G1 batteries have been used 1-1.5 years already, leaving the G1 in UMTS mode overnight tended to have it drained, while the N900 showed only a tiny dip in the battery state, ... |
| 10:29.23 | yacc | Wonder how well the N900 can detect the state of the battery. |
| 10:29.43 | lcuk | yacc :) at different times and different uses thats happened to people too |
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| 10:30.12 | lcuk | its entirely possible to abuse the available capacity |
| 10:30.19 | yacc | (the G1 battery setup was basically stupid, and based on Android & the kernel doing an educated guess based on usage how your battery is) |
| 10:30.22 | lcuk | and it can detect charge quite well |
| 10:30.31 | yacc | lcuk, it's not my first smartphone. |
| 10:30.51 | lcuk | shhh, some here will tell you the n900 is not a smart phone |
| 10:31.23 | yacc | lcuk, the most embarrassing thing had been always the E61 phones where me and my wife had exactly the same phone. Mine always drained in under a day, hers kept for a week, ... |
| 10:31.38 | yacc | lcuk, oh, it's a smartphone as it should be, .. |
| 10:31.40 | lcuk | :) me and tracy notice the same things with our n900s |
| 10:31.54 | lcuk | tho hers is more an angrybirds phone |
| 10:32.36 | yacc | lcuk, it's basically an ARM based Debian-derived laptop in a form factor that makes it useable as a mobile phone, ... |
| 10:33.34 | lcuk | indeed :) |
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| 10:34.57 | lcuk | yacc so what do you use yours for then (apart from phone and internet :P) |
| 10:35.50 | yacc | I wonder, how does one restore the thing after killing the OS on it? I know a former friend of mine managed to overfill the root partition, basically brick the device, and he mentioned that it's was trivial to unbrick, as he said, it seems to be almost completely safe even for crazy users, ... |
| 10:36.35 | yacc | lcuk, well, IM, Email, Ebooks, browser, and when the situation warrents network accesspoint. |
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| 10:37.13 | lcuk | you can download lovingly created and fully tested images of the default OS and eMMC |
| 10:37.20 | yacc | lcuk, the phone needs a data package for all the apps anyway, and I've never seen the joy of paying two data packages so that I have my phone and my USB modem working. |
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| 10:37.38 | yacc | lcuk, and how do I install them when the thing is bricked? |
| 10:37.56 | pexi | i'm thinking of buying a real smart phone because of the calendar sync problems :) |
| 10:37.57 | lcuk | you misuse the term bricked :) |
| 10:38.24 | lcuk | the usb flashing part is very early in the boot sequence and practically impossible to break from the OS itself |
| 10:38.36 | misc-- | hi all, is it possible to send sms from the terminal? |
| 10:38.44 | yacc | What tools do I need for that on the host, just to be safe for the future? |
| 10:39.17 | yacc | lcuk, yeah, as I said, the comment of this guy was that his N900 was near unbrickable, and that's absolutely great for a device one wants to play with. |
| 10:39.26 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 10:39.26 | infobot | [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 10:40.22 | lcuk | misc--, its easy to do via python, I am not sure if there is a direct dbus call though |
| 10:40.30 | lcuk | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS |
| 10:40.48 | misc-- | lcuk: ahhh, ok thanks |
| 10:41.55 | lcuk | yacc, lots of work done by a great many people in ensuring the device is as solid and reliable as possible :) |
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| 10:43.46 | yacc | lcuk, yeah, but it's the idea that counts. An G1 with HardSPL installed is quite hard to kill to, but stupid T-Mobile puts a castrated SPL on it by default, so you always that one moment where you need to replace the boot loader, where you brick your device easily, ... |
| 10:45.54 | _|Nix|_ | X-Fade: Hey! Can you please have a look at libhildon-extras_0.9.6? It's been building the x86 portion for a while. Is it stuck with the X server again? I've made some changes ... |
| 10:46.40 | yacc | lcuk, Nokia OTOH has made it easy and relatively safe. |
| 10:47.49 | lcuk | nods :) |
| 10:49.36 | yacc | Well, let's be truthful, the G1 was not a bad mobile, but the N900 is clearly superior to it (perhaps with the exception of the touch screen), ... |
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| 10:56.30 | mece | QtWRT is included in Qt4.7, right? |
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| 11:03.01 | mgedmin | DocScrutinizer2++ for the informative overclocking lecture |
| 11:03.16 | mgedmin | does infobot count ++ when it's followed by more text? |
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| 11:06.04 | Arkenoi | watched meego video. fascinating. how did they manage effectively reduce 800x600 screen to 4 lines of text, restoring famous nokia 3210 feel? |
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| 11:07.51 | harbaum | my wifes n900 just lost its usb recepticle :-( |
| 11:08.50 | Hoxzer | :((( |
| 11:09.04 | mgedmin | another one bites the dust :( |
| 11:09.07 | Hoxzer | my n900 broke my 3rd party charger |
| 11:09.13 | mgedmin | Arkenoi, which video? |
| 11:09.18 | Hoxzer | the usb plug was too strong :( |
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| 11:09.36 | Arkenoi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20k1mvL8 this one |
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| 11:09.53 | Stskeeps | malformed video id |
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| 11:10.13 | mgedmin | Arkenoi, "The URL contained a malformed video ID." |
| 11:10.32 | mgedmin | harbaum, you know what to do, right? Nokia Care |
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| 11:10.49 | mgedmin | the weak USB socket is a design deficiency |
| 11:11.01 | Hoxzer | imho it sucks that nokia will not replace those phones. |
| 11:11.16 | Hoxzer | or some of the people had their phones replaced |
| 11:11.35 | Hoxzer | just as mgedmin it is desing flaw |
| 11:11.51 | Hoxzer | the charger should break not the n900 |
| 11:12.12 | harbaum | do they actually care? I don't want to send it in just to have them requireing weeks to fix it |
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| 11:14.34 | Arkenoi | oops , http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S20k1mvL8d0 |
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| 11:16.34 | mgedmin | harbaum, yesterday people on this channel talked about it |
| 11:16.49 | mgedmin | "weeks to repair" was mentioned as someone's actual experience :( |
| 11:17.10 | mgedmin | but it is covered by the warranty, as far as I understand |
| 11:18.46 | mgedmin | http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-n900-microusb-defect-and-your-chance-to-do-something/ |
| 11:19.25 | harbaum | The Nokia site just ack'ed that it's still under waranty |
| 11:19.36 | mgedmin | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Nokia-responds-to-reports-about-the-N900-micro-usb-port-getting/td-p/629019/highlight/false |
| 11:19.46 | _|Nix|_ | *sigh* ... can anyone besides X-Fade have a look at libhildon-extras_0.9.6? It's been building for a while, and I'm afraid it's stuck, and when I re-submitted, that just keeps sitting in the queue ... |
| 11:19.52 | _|Nix|_ | Please? |
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| 11:38.25 | harbaum | mgedmin: Thanks for the links. This may help to convince certain people that this is covered by waranty |
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| 11:51.19 | rmrfchik | http://pics.livejournal.com/ibigdan/pic/00k1d08h |
| 11:51.42 | mece | rmrfchik, hee |
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| 11:53.28 | psycho_oreos | harbaum, which revision version is your wife's n900? |
| 11:55.19 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 11:55.40 | Jaffa | _|Nix|_: Raise a bug. |
| 11:55.58 | _|Nix|_ | Jaffa: I guess ... |
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| 11:58.01 | jacekowski | my vwindow goto |
| 11:58.06 | jacekowski | ehh |
| 11:58.45 | _|Nix|_ | Jaffa: MB#11357 |
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| 12:06.49 | |187| | guys how long does a charging cycle via usb cable usually take? phone was down to about 20% its charging 3hrs at my office pc already |
| 12:06.55 | |187| | that normal ? |
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| 12:08.06 | mgedmin | I think it takes longer to charge from a PC than from a wall socket |
| 12:08.18 | Jartza | sure |
| 12:08.23 | mgedmin | ~2 hours for a wall socket, maybe 3, 4 from a PC |
| 12:08.34 | mgedmin | numbers approximate since I never measured |
| 12:08.39 | Jartza | wall charger has more "ooomph" |
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| 12:08.58 | Jartza | meaning more milliamperes, than usb |
| 12:09.21 | mgedmin | the technical term is "current" |
| 12:09.38 | mgedmin | my laptop's fan started making a noise :( |
| 12:10.15 | ShadowJK | 4-5 from a PC sounds about normal I think |
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| 12:13.39 | psycho_oreos | what about powered USB hub? :) |
| 12:14.17 | mgedmin | same |
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| 12:16.19 | Khertan_ | lbt_: any news about the community obs sync ? |
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| 12:27.42 | Khertan_ | Morning all ! |
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| 12:33.18 | harbaum | psycho_oreos: Dunno. HW rev or what? I don't have the device here |
| 12:34.51 | psycho_oreos | harbaum, ahh ok, its either printed inside the device or the retail packaging itself.. I'm curious to know if that revision is higher or lower than mine |
| 12:37.00 | joga | hmm...trying to use mobile hotspot (with power kernel installed; says it's started and stuff), but my laptop doesn't seem to be able to pump an ip from it |
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| 12:37.18 | joga | any tips what to check? |
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| 12:39.10 | joga | I can see in iwconfig that it has associated with the n900, shows the essid |
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| 12:44.30 | luke-jr_ | joga: it only works with the mobile hotspot kernel |
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| 12:49.31 | joga | luke-jr_, oh, I thought the power kernel is required |
| 12:51.32 | joga | heh, now that I actually tried using the net with n900 while it's using the hotspot, I have speeds of 0.5-3kB/s with 3g |
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| 12:57.40 | joga | luke-jr_: what's this "mobile hotspot kernel" and where do I get it? |
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| 13:03.53 | Hoxzer | joga: You can download it from repos. |
| 13:04.12 | ieatlint | i've learnt that having a touchscreen makes me try and use regular monitors incorrectly :( |
| 13:04.51 | GAN900 | So who's going to justify themselves for a PandaBoard? |
| 13:05.10 | Hoxzer | joga: it's called "Enchanced linux kernel for power users" |
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| 13:05.32 | ieatlint | if i could think of anything to try and sell the pandaboard peoples, i would |
| 13:06.32 | GAN900 | I wonder if anybody has proposed "Porting MeeGo" yet. |
| 13:07.05 | Hoxzer | eh,? YOu can install development version of meego on n900 |
| 13:07.18 | joga | Hoxzer, but that's exactly what I have |
| 13:07.41 | Hoxzer | joga: try uname -r in terminal |
| 13:07.41 | tybollt | gan |
| 13:07.56 | ieatlint | in theory, there is no "porting" of meego to the pandaboard |
| 13:08.02 | joga | Hoxzer: 2.6.28.10power37 |
| 13:08.11 | Hoxzer | yes, then the mobile hotspot should work. |
| 13:08.15 | ieatlint | pandaboard has a working kernel, which is 95% of the work to "port meego" to a device |
| 13:08.28 | ieatlint | instead, it's just installing software |
| 13:08.28 | GAN900 | ieatlint, yes, but do they know that? |
| 13:08.30 | joga | Hoxzer: it does start the hotspot and I can see it from my laptop, but I can't get an ip |
| 13:08.40 | ieatlint | i damn well hope so :P |
| 13:08.41 | GAN900 | ieatlint, and the key phrase there being "in theory". |
| 13:08.59 | Hoxzer | joga: :/ Hmm, you mean your laptop can't get the ip? |
| 13:09.02 | joga | Hoxzer: yes |
| 13:09.03 | GAN900 | ieatlint, make the proposal and find out. :D |
| 13:09.08 | ieatlint | yeah, well, i suppose you could sell a meego image for the device |
| 13:09.13 | joga | tried both unsecured and wep |
| 13:09.21 | Hoxzer | joga: and your laptop works with all hotspots (using dhcp) ? |
| 13:09.22 | GAN900 | tybollt, yeeeesss? |
| 13:09.23 | ieatlint | partitioned and such with a specific profile setup |
| 13:09.28 | joga | Hoxzer: yeah, had no problems yet |
| 13:09.33 | ieatlint | netbook i guess, as handset and tablet don't fit |
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| 13:09.36 | Hoxzer | joga: try without encryption |
| 13:09.47 | joga | Hoxzer: as I said already, tried it :) |
| 13:09.51 | Hoxzer | :( |
| 13:10.15 | lcuk | GAN900, isnt there an omap4 board video shown running meego already? |
| 13:10.34 | Hoxzer | then I have no more tips for you. Usually works fine with me |
| 13:10.50 | Hoxzer | you can try restarting n900 or laptop |
| 13:10.59 | ieatlint | no idea i have would actually accentuate the pandaboard as a platform, or require any features it has over the beagleboard |
| 13:11.02 | Hoxzer | joga: btw, remember to close all connections before you start mobile hotspot |
| 13:12.04 | joga | Hoxzer: yes, I've done all of those, and now I tried to reinstall mobilehotspot, restart n900, make sure it's not connected, then start hotspot unencrypted, it starts, I can see it from the laptop, but it just gets stucks at obtaining ip |
| 13:12.52 | MohammadAG | lcuk, indeed |
| 13:12.53 | joga | I'm using wicd on the laptop, which has no problems connecting to the other wireless networks |
| 13:13.22 | lcuk | seems to run it very well too from what i can gather |
| 13:13.24 | joga | does n900 support master mode? |
| 13:13.36 | ieatlint | has the price for the pandaboard been announced even? |
| 13:13.51 | Hoxzer | joga: try to login as root and type "route" in n900 |
| 13:14.16 | ieatlint | kinda looks like it could replace a number of the soekris uses, if the price is reasonable |
| 13:14.31 | joga | Hoxzer: hotspot is now running, I only have one line: 10.132.128.0 * 255.255.255.0 U 0 0 0 wlan0 |
| 13:15.06 | joga | I also tried to manually assign an ip and gateway for my laptop but to no avail |
| 13:15.21 | joga | (chose 10.132.128.2 as ip, as the n900 appeared to be .1) |
| 13:15.38 | ShadowJK | hm, is there no way to "stream" readings from accelerometer.. |
| 13:15.50 | Hoxzer | joga: try "ifconfig" |
| 13:15.51 | joga | ShadowJK, what do you mean "stream"? |
| 13:16.05 | tybollt | GAN900: just aying hi really |
| 13:16.07 | tybollt | :) |
| 13:16.08 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: See http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1469-1795.2009.00326.x/abstract |
| 13:16.09 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 13:16.10 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 13:16.22 | joga | Hoxzer: any specific thing you want to know there? wlan0 is up and has the .1 ip |
| 13:16.23 | GAN900 | tybollt, hi. :) |
| 13:16.29 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer is a link to the APIs I think |
| 13:16.31 | Hoxzer | joga: gprs0 |
| 13:16.35 | joga | says it hasn't received anything |
| 13:16.42 | joga | gprs0 is down |
| 13:16.43 | SpeedEvil | the hardware does not support streaming mode, the CPU has to poll it |
| 13:16.46 | Hoxzer | joga: it should be up |
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| 13:17.02 | joga | then I guess mobile hotspot screws up :) |
| 13:17.11 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, yeah it just seems I can poll it at the rate of i2c bus |
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| 13:17.14 | Hoxzer | joga: verify that the "Connection" is specified correctly |
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| 13:17.18 | joga | but I try again: I'll make an internet connection without hotspot once, then disconnect and try it |
| 13:17.24 | joga | Hoxzer: it is, only one choice there |
| 13:17.24 | ShadowJK | I was hoping it'd delay giving reply until a new value is available |
| 13:17.24 | GAN900 | lcuk, and what does that mean, exactly? We should all know how things are with getting operating systems running on ARM. |
| 13:17.34 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: there is I think a flag. |
| 13:17.45 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: but you poll it at ~400Hz, and it works. |
| 13:18.00 | Hoxzer | joga: for me the N900 reports that there was a problem connecting and then askes for connection |
| 13:18.03 | Corsac | hmhm, is there some kind of synergy client for n900 (using touchscreen and keyboard to control remote box through wifi) |
| 13:18.28 | Hoxzer | joga: you can try running mobilehotspot in terminal. |
| 13:18.28 | dsg | Corsac: There's a VNC client |
| 13:18.38 | joga | Hoxzer: now hotspot is not running, I made the internet connection and see gprs0 being up. should I now manually disconnect from it and then run hotspot or should hotspot do this for me? |
| 13:18.54 | Hoxzer | hotspot should do it for you |
| 13:19.00 | joga | ok, I will try starting it now then |
| 13:19.05 | Hoxzer | wait |
| 13:19.09 | ShadowJK | 6000 samples in 11 seconds, 545.454529/s |
| 13:19.09 | ShadowJK | 972 unique, 88.363640/s |
| 13:19.25 | joga | kay |
| 13:19.32 | Hoxzer | joga: try "mobilehotspot_backend start" in terminal |
| 13:19.53 | joga | apparently fails to insmod nf_conntrack.co |
| 13:20.04 | joga | hmm, maybe as root :) |
| 13:20.44 | Hoxzer | go-ahead |
| 13:20.57 | joga | ok it seemed to have done the tricks to put wlan0 up and stuff |
| 13:21.07 | joga | gprs0 and wlan0 are up |
| 13:21.40 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: my mistake. |
| 13:21.43 | joga | still not giving ip with dhcp, it seems |
| 13:21.46 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: It can interrupt on new data |
| 13:22.02 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, the driver calls sysfs_notify but I don't know how to hook into that :) |
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| 13:22.12 | SpeedEvil | See 7.4 |
| 13:22.18 | SpeedEvil | on the datasheet |
| 13:22.30 | Hoxzer | joga: try the "route" again |
| 13:22.46 | joga | Hoxzer: default thru gprs0, and then there's the wlan0 supnet |
| 13:22.49 | joga | *subnet |
| 13:23.11 | Hoxzer | joga: does it said "default" for gprs0 ? |
| 13:23.15 | joga | yes |
| 13:23.24 | joga | which sounds proper to me |
| 13:23.29 | Hoxzer | yes it is. |
| 13:25.08 | joga | in iwconfig encryption is off, it's in ad-hoc mode and everything seems normal |
| 13:25.50 | joga | err... |
| 13:26.08 | joga | I'm seeing a different mac address from my laptop than what is shown in ifconfig wlan0 on the n9000 |
| 13:26.11 | joga | *n900 |
| 13:27.03 | joga | that's not normal, right? |
| 13:27.49 | Hoxzer | dunno |
| 13:28.07 | joga | wlan0 starts like C8:97:9F... and the laptop shows 36:97:64... |
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| 13:29.01 | joga | that one doesn't even seem to be valid |
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| 13:29.37 | joga | oh, well, I think I'll look at this later, have some stuff to do. Thanks for your kind help Hoxzer |
| 13:30.12 | Hoxzer | nope... |
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| 13:39.18 | juk | just reflashed n900, calendar glitching, with internall error, and contacts refuses to read sim sim |
| 13:40.47 | juk | wireless works |
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| 13:44.52 | juk | modest mail app not works |
| 13:45.36 | juk | contacts from sim still not showing up :( |
| 13:46.17 | juk | modest mail app not works Unable to select server inbox |
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| 13:46.41 | juk | flashed with lates global image |
| 13:46.51 | juk | what's wrong? |
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| 13:47.55 | juk | but i didn't flash external memory |
| 13:49.24 | juk | who the fuck cares here |
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| 13:51.39 | ShadowJK | If by external memory he meant emmc, then that'd explain why the flashing didn't help :) |
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| 13:53.03 | nocturnal | using the gui installer for the maemo sdk i ran into an error when it was setting up scratchbox targets. i've pasted the last parts of the install log here http://pastebin.com/DH5Majyh |
| 13:53.35 | nocturnal | i've tried running /scratchbox/login manually but it says run sb-menu first, and sb-menu says i'm not allowed to run it. even though my user is in sbox group. i've also tried with root. |
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| 13:55.19 | node808 | ahhh sooky sooky yeah boiiiii.....i need dat new look...that fresh fresh...whatchall feel those new momo rims in black...be stunnin them boys |
| 13:56.00 | nocturnal | pardon? |
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| 14:03.13 | node808 | oh snap...my bad dog |
| 14:03.38 | node808 | i had seent this room..thought it was the momo rims room |
| 14:03.45 | node808 | my bad playa |
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| 14:14.05 | GAN900 | Stereotype. |
| 14:14.27 | MohammadAG | ~seen javispedro |
| 14:14.38 | infobot | javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 15h 30m 12s ago, saying: 'and instead of backscrolling, I just wasted more bandwidth and a bit of everybody's time. Like I'm doing now!'. |
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| 14:27.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | ShadowJK: you sorted your accel readout and notification issues? |
| 14:27.36 | ShadowJK | eh I just wanted to dump it to a file at max rate |
| 14:27.51 | DocScrutinizer2 | :nod: |
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| 14:29.55 | DocScrutinizer2 | ShadowJK: most natural way to use gmeter is to set a convenient threshold and get a uevent/kevent/knotify or whatever it's called when that threshold is tripped, so you can read out the new value |
| 14:31.20 | DocScrutinizer2 | ShadowJK: for high resulution continuous recording I'm not sure if gmeter itself has a mode for triggering an IRQ @ 400Hz, or you simply read out the sysfs node @400/s |
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| 14:33.51 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 14:33.52 | infobot | from memory, maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
| 14:33.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | (kevent) I tried to find out about how to do that a few days ago, but lost my way in /usr/src/linux/Documentation |
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| 14:34.32 | sivang | ~info |
| 14:35.03 | sivang | how can I tell myself about something from the infobot? |
| 14:35.43 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~query |
| 14:35.43 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 14:37.25 | DocScrutinizer2 | sivang: help helps a bit about what you can do |
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| 14:38.09 | ferenc | hello, FYI: http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo-org-service-break-2010-10-03/ |
| 14:38.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | listkeys and listvalues are useful cmds to grep in database |
| 14:40.28 | DocScrutinizer2 | ~maemo-down is http://maemo.org/news/announcements/maemo-org-service-break-2010-10-03/ |
| 14:40.28 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer2 |
| 14:40.51 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Does anyone aside from X-Fade have access to the buildbot? I uploaded libhildon-extras_0.9.6 to the fremantle build queue, and it never finished building. Then, when I tried to upload it again, it got stuck in the queue. I'd need someone to terminate the previous build attempt. |
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| 14:41.30 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: It's probably stuck at the very end because it launches an X server (required for gtk-doc generation) and probably never terminates it. |
| 14:41.44 | flexxxv | hy is the source of the maemo 5 calculator included |
| 14:42.02 | flexxxv | I mean avaiable |
| 14:42.56 | satmd | infobot: do you notice that '/query apt' is not the correct nick? :p |
| 14:42.56 | infobot | yes, I notice that '/query apt' is not the correct nick? :p. |
| 14:42.56 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:43.03 | satmd | lol. |
| 14:43.44 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (kevents) FSO is using that mechanism a lot, so you should be able to spot examples in python and vala there |
| 14:45.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: (on FR kernel notifies FSO fsodeviced(?) about battery charging state changes, which in turn switch notification LED via yaml rules) |
| 14:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | satmd: are you sure? |
| 14:47.19 | DocScrutinizer | suggests a /whois apt |
| 14:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | also /whois ibot |
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| 14:48.15 | satmd | :P |
| 14:48.37 | satmd | ^- that's what she said |
| 14:49.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen ibot |
| 14:49.20 | infobot | ibot is currently on #gsoc (14d 21h 17m 41s) #bzflag (14d 21h 17m 41s) ##bspress (14d 21h 17m 41s) #brlcad (14d 21h 17m 41s) #handhelds (14d 21h 17m 41s) #utah (14d 21h 17m 41s) #oe (14d 21h 17m 41s) #zaurus (14d 21h 17m 41s) #gllug (14d 21h 17m 41s) #pillbox (14d 21h 17m 41s) #arm-netbook (14d 21h 17m 41s) #handhelds-gpe (14d 21h 17m 41s) #uphpu (14d ... |
| 14:49.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen apt |
| 14:49.30 | infobot | apt is currently on #debian (15d 4h 44m 14s) ##icf (15d 4h 44m 14s) #elive (15d 4h 44m 14s) #htc-linux (15d 4h 44m 14s) #kde (15d 4h 44m 14s) #wowroster (15d 4h 44m 14s) #openmoko (15d 4h 44m 14s) #slug (15d 4h 44m 14s) #lugwv (15d 4h 44m 14s) #openmoko-cdevel (15d 4h 44m 14s) #debian-france (15d 4h 44m 14s) #debianppc (15d 4h 44m 14s) #linuxpakistan (15d ... |
| 14:49.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen infobot |
| 14:49.41 | infobot | infobot is currently on #utos (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk-doc (15d 4h 14m 32s) ##t42 (15d 4h 14m 32s) #fredlug (15d 4h 14m 32s) #maemo (15d 4h 14m 32s) ##ols (15d 4h 14m 32s) #flyspray (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk-dev (15d 4h 14m 32s) #webos-internals (15d 4h 14m 32s) #opensimpad.org (15d 4h 14m 32s) #asterisk (15d 4h 14m 32s) #byumug (15d 4h 14m 32s) ... |
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| 14:53.08 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/ |
| 14:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | apt: hi! |
| 14:53.19 | apt | hi |
| 14:53.19 | DocScrutinizer | apt: hi! |
| 14:53.19 | apt | hi |
| 14:53.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 14:53.34 | apt | Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 101 modifications, 1563 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 760 commands. I have been awake for 15d 4h 54m 56s this session, and currently reference 117310 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5077.74/127.37 child 0/0 |
| 14:53.35 | apt | Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 101 modifications, 1563 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 760 commands. I have been awake for 15d 4h 54m 56s this session, and currently reference 117310 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5077.74/127.37 child 0/0 |
| 14:54.16 | merlin1991 | apt help |
| 14:54.17 | merlin1991 | apt help |
| 14:54.23 | merlin1991 | apt, info |
| 14:54.25 | merlin1991 | hm |
| 14:54.31 | merlin1991 | doesn't know the apt bot |
| 14:54.46 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:54.49 | ShadowJK | I suspect it needs beer |
| 14:54.49 | ShadowJK | I suspect it needs beer |
| 14:54.58 | *** kick/#maemo [apt!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (WTF?!) |
| 14:55.11 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 14:55.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 14:55.38 | infobot | Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 101 modifications, 1563 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 761 commands. I have been awake for 15d 4h 57m this session, and currently reference 117310 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 5078.35/127.45 child 0/0 |
| 14:55.43 | ilius | how to see pidgin's body list window? |
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| 14:59.47 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 15:00.05 | sivang | ~flashing |
| 15:00.05 | infobot | flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:00.09 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Dunno what you (or anyone else) did, but libhildon-extras1 seems to be gone from the queue ... dunno if it's building now, or if it got simply yanked, but I'll wait. Thanks a lot! |
| 15:00.42 | sivang | thanks infobot |
| 15:00.56 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 15:00.56 | infobot | :), DocScrutinizer |
| 15:00.58 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: it's building, but I am afraid that the build git stuck again. |
| 15:01.02 | ferenc | s/git/got |
| 15:01.50 | sivang | the topic still mentioned extras is hosed, is that so? |
| 15:01.55 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Damn! |
| 15:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: seems IT is a somewhat deterministic thing |
| 15:02.21 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: OK. I'll revert the X portion to what we had in 0.9.5 ... |
| 15:02.30 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Can you please kill it again? |
| 15:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: I heard no complains last 24h, so maybe not |
| 15:02.51 | sivang | okey |
| 15:03.08 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I wish I could kill these things from here, but it seems that, if not all processes quit, the build gets stuck ... |
| 15:03.34 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: otoh odds are nobody bothers to mention it's still broken for some of the servers, as the fact and a workaround is known :-P |
| 15:04.03 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: I am looking for the build log to get more clue.. |
| 15:04.15 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: ah, really? The workaround being using a community member that mirrors the repo somewhere? :) |
| 15:04.37 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: you got access to the reporsitory server farm? |
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| 15:05.04 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: bother to click the URL mentioned in topic |
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| 15:05.25 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I launch a copy of Xvfb using a script called run-xvfb.sh which I may not be killing ... |
| 15:05.33 | DocScrutinizer | the workaround is to resolve repository.maemo.org to an IP of a good server |
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| 15:06.35 | sivang | yes, read this now- thanks again, I should have more trust in channel's topic pastebin'd instructios :) |
| 15:06.42 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: The problem is that I cannot reproduce this problem in my own scratchbox. |
| 15:06.53 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: I have access to the origin server, from where content is being fetched by the caches. what's the problem? |
| 15:07.16 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I suspect it has something to do with the fact that the buildbot collects all output into the file, and if not all processes quit, the file is never closed. |
| 15:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | some of the caches had a broken *.gzip file |
| 15:07.29 | DocScrutinizer | not all but only some of them |
| 15:07.48 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I remember once reproducing this hangage by running dpkg-buildpackage > filename 2>&1, but it's not working now ... |
| 15:08.25 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: see /topic |
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| 15:10.57 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I wish it posted the log of the hangage after you kill it, so I can compare it with my own scratchbox's output, to tell what the difference is. |
| 15:12.38 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: If it's stuck, can you please kill it one more time, and I'll revert to the previoius version and try again. If it gets stuck, I don't mind waiting till Monday if you decide to call it a day. |
| 15:13.18 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:13.39 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Thanks! |
| 15:13.41 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: see http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-30.log.html#t2010-09-30T02:10:52 until / and http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-09-30.log.html#t2010-09-30T02:26:57 |
| 15:13.46 | _|Nix|_ | I'll revert then. |
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| 15:15.09 | DocScrutinizer | _|Nix|_: starting X on a buildhost? sounds weird |
| 15:15.13 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Just checking: You do know that the problem is only happening on the i38 side, right? I see no logs from i386 here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.6/ |
| 15:15.22 | _|Nix|_ | DocScrutinizer: Necessary for proper gtk-doc generation. |
| 15:15.41 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: oops. let me check the i386 logs then. |
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| 15:16.51 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
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| 15:18.30 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: do you refer to the broken Packages file in the extras repo? |
| 15:18.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 15:19.31 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: diablo was broken as well, see URLs above |
| 15:20.20 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Yeah ... weirdness ... I think the file never gets created, because all processes don't qui. |
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| 15:21.51 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz looks good to me. |
| 15:22.00 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: same for fremantle. |
| 15:22.51 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: it was broken only on some of the akamai servers of the server farm. Worked for one IP while it failed for another |
| 15:23.36 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: from the x86 build logs: |
| 15:23.38 | ferenc | test -x debian/rules |
| 15:23.38 | ferenc | mkdir -p "." |
| 15:23.39 | ferenc | Starting X server ... |
| 15:23.39 | ferenc | kill: usage: kill [-s sigspec | -n signum | -sigspec] [pid | job]... or kill -l [sigspec] |
| 15:23.45 | MohammadAG | ferenc, do you have access to the packages on the repos? |
| 15:23.49 | DocScrutinizer | depending on where you get redirected to by the load balancing you either encountered problems or not |
| 15:23.49 | MohammadAG | I want to remove a non-free package |
| 15:23.54 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: You dound it ... |
| 15:23.57 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Nice. |
| 15:24.06 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:24.13 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Yeah, that's OK, as long as it kills it at the end. |
| 15:24.25 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: It starts the X server twice and should kill it once at the end. |
| 15:24.43 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Look at the i386 build log for libhidon-extras_0.9.5 |
| 15:24.47 | ferenc | MohammadAG: I can remove it from our origin server, but not from the caches. |
| 15:24.49 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: ... for comparison. |
| 15:24.54 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: ok. I guess it will just "fix itself" on next rsync. Would be interesting to have a look into the cause of it |
| 15:25.12 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: BTW: I reverted the X server related changes and I'm trying again ... *cross fingers* |
| 15:25.22 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: ok |
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| 15:26.26 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: My original motivation for making changes to the way I run the X server was the fact that when I first submitted 0.9.6, it failed to start an X server at :2 because one was already running |
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| 15:26.38 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: I am not sure if Akamai uses rsync, otherwise it would have been fixed already :) |
| 15:26.51 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: My X server killing method may not work. |
| 15:26.59 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: kill -9 $(pidof Xvfb) |
| 15:27.05 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: rsync was more like $RSYNC |
| 15:27.43 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: yeah, I think this is the problem. |
| 15:27.47 | MohammadAG | ferenc, can you remove psfreedom from non-free? |
| 15:27.57 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: But this worked with 0.9.5 ... |
| 15:28.00 | ferenc | MohammadAG: yes. hold on. |
| 15:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: I suspect it happened when $RSYNC got started in 'a wrong moment' |
| 15:28.12 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: BTW: The armel portion of the new submission has completed. |
| 15:28.53 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: I'm expecting the i38 portion to fail because of an already-running server ... unless you killed it :) |
| 15:29.03 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: It built! |
| 15:29.19 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Can you please check if there are any Xvfb instances still running? |
| 15:29.41 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: ... now that the build has completed. |
| 15:30.15 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: There are no Xvfb instances. |
| 15:30.46 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:31.21 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Cool. So, it worked. |
| 15:31.21 | MohammadAG | ferenc, yep |
| 15:32.33 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Next time, if my build fails because of a X server running on the same DISPLAY as the one I'm trying to start (:2), I'll simply try to re-submit. In no case will I mess with this setup though, I don't think, because it works, as long as no server is running on :2. |
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| 15:33.13 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Or, maybe, if a server is already running on :2, I should just use it, instead of trying to start one of my own. |
| 15:33.14 | dRbiG | hmm, does anyone else share my view that larger python scripts consist in 40% of string 'self.'? ;D |
| 15:33.23 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: In any case, thanks a lot for your help! |
| 15:33.35 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: I did not see a new build starting after I killed the build for the 2nd time. So I am not sure if this build is ok. :( |
| 15:34.07 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/libhildon-extras_0.9.6/ |
| 15:34.11 | ferenc | MohammadAG: I might be blind, but I can't find psfreedom :( |
| 15:34.18 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: All signs point to it being OK. |
| 15:34.34 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: The build doesn't take very long ... unless it gets stuck, of course :) |
| 15:34.46 | ferenc | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:35.08 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: either block $RSYNC to the caches (in whatever way that can be done), or make sure the master always has a consistent image to sync to the caches, so no races occur that sync a half done image that's "build in progress" - my 2 cent |
| 15:35.17 | _|Nix|_ | ferenc: Yep :) Thanks a lot! |
| 15:35.31 | ferenc | _|Nix|_: you are welcome! |
| 15:36.01 | MohammadAG | ferenc, http://maemo.org/packages/view/psfreedom/ |
| 15:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | s/block/during build block/ |
| 15:37.05 | ferenc | MohammadAG: ah, it is in extras-devel. ok. removed it. |
| 15:37.43 | MohammadAG | ferenc, ty :) |
| 15:38.00 | ferenc | MohammadAG: no |
| 15:38.06 | ferenc | MohammadAG: np, i meant :) |
| 15:40.05 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: Akamai fetches stuff that has been built. I know what went wrong last time. We were testing a new export control feature and I enabled debugging. During that time Akamai refreshed its content and received a "wrong" Packages file. After the tests Tero cleaned the caches, but some crap remained there :( |
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| 15:41.03 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: fine :-D problem cause identified, problem solved. Thanks a lot |
| 15:42.18 | MohammadAG | ferenc, did you just remove all of psfreedom? lol |
| 15:42.19 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: I hope we can negotiate access to the cache web ui, so such problems can be cured faster. |
| 15:43.14 | ferenc | MohammadAG: yes, from non-free. You asked: "can you remove psfreedom from non-free?" |
| 15:43.32 | MohammadAG | yeah, but it's not free |
| 15:43.39 | DocScrutinizer | ferenc: I assume caches should all have received their good sync now? |
| 15:43.44 | MohammadAG | it's not in free* |
| 15:43.52 | MohammadAG | http://maemo.org/packages/view/psfreedom/ |
| 15:44.27 | ferenc | DocScrutinizer: yes, hopefully. |
| 15:44.33 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 15:44.44 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid |
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| 15:45.38 | ferenc | MohammadAG: sorry, I lost you. psfreedom is no longer in fremantle-1.3 / extras-devel / non-free section. |
| 15:45.50 | satmd | 1.3? |
| 15:45.53 | ferenc | MohammadAG: it has also been removed from the Packages tool itself. |
| 15:46.15 | ferenc | satmd: well, the latest fremantle release.. |
| 15:46.26 | satmd | mhm ok |
| 15:46.52 | MohammadAG | ferenc, why? |
| 15:47.03 | MohammadAG | 0.3-4 was in free |
| 15:47.16 | ferenc | MohammadAG: ok, I am sorry. I will revert it. |
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| 15:47.22 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: just upload it again? |
| 15:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | nm |
| 15:48.50 | MohammadAG | sigh, can you add it back to the packages tool? |
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| 15:50.44 | sivang | dar's the content of the phone that was backed up to an mSD before "The Big Reflash" |
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| 15:51.09 | sivang | I guess I am a little bit paranoid when it comes to back ups |
| 15:52.27 | Scelt | ~flash |
| 15:52.27 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 15:52.32 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: ?? |
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| 15:53.02 | sivang | Scelt: yes yes, I am well aware of that, I just commencted about backing up partition contents before |
| 15:53.18 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I didn't satisfy with the internal backup program |
| 15:53.42 | Scelt | sivang: oh, no. I needed the flashing url myself :] |
| 15:53.47 | DocScrutinizer | fair enough |
| 15:53.56 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I did, it was rejected :P |
| 15:54.06 | DocScrutinizer | :P |
| 15:54.11 | sivang | still carries the sysadmin mindset to other disciplines |
| 15:54.29 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: keep that habit |
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| 15:54.43 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: yeah, it is *always* to be safe than sorry :-[ |
| 15:54.49 | sivang | :-p |
| 15:54.53 | sivang | *better |
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| 15:55.30 | DocScrutinizer | except sometimes in strictly social activities, where such mindset isn't alway appreciated :-P |
| 15:55.35 | ferenc | MohammadAG: do you need this instance kept: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_non-free_armel/psfreedom/0.3/ |
| 15:55.37 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: hehe, true |
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| 15:56.18 | MohammadAG | ferenc, that's the one I wanted you to remove |
| 15:56.48 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: heh |
| 15:57.26 | ferenc | MohammadAG: The Packages web UI and the repo are 2 different things. I removed the package from the repo and then I also deleted the "psfreedom" entry from the Packages catalog. |
| 15:57.53 | ferenc | MohammadAG: the latter one was restored, but I can clean up the non-free "package instance" from there too. |
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| 16:11.42 | MohammadAG | ferenc, thanks :) |
| 16:12.20 | MohammadAG | ferenc, you can remove the non-free instance |
| 16:12.49 | ferenc | MohammadAG: yes, I will try.. |
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| 16:14.01 | GAN900 | Anybody recommend a registrar these days? |
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| 16:14.35 | ferenc | MohammadAG: done. |
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| 16:14.57 | MohammadAG | thanks |
| 16:15.07 | ferenc | MohammadAG: welcome |
| 16:15.36 | slonopotamus | evening, ladies and gentlemen |
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| 16:23.59 | RST38h | good evening,heffalumpus |
| 16:24.49 | slonopotamus | :P |
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| 16:25.19 | slonopotamus | meh, can't find any traces on controlling wifi psm :/ |
| 16:26.13 | MohammadAG | any DSLR experts? |
| 16:26.18 | slonopotamus | and wtf is that post by Teemu Harju on t.m.o? |
| 16:26.30 | slonopotamus | err, on maemo planet |
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| 16:29.38 | frals | slonopotamus: link? |
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| 16:32.09 | RST38h | Hmm, installing Mohammad'sSSU packages broke apt-get |
| 16:32.33 | slonopotamus | frals: oh, it was removed already. i got it via rss. |
| 16:32.42 | RST38h | It now thinks that the system is broken as mp-fremantle-generic-pr has unsatisfied dependencies |
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| 16:33.00 | frals | slonopotamus: what was it? |
| 16:33.51 | MohammadAG | RST38h, dpkg -r it and install it again |
| 16:34.09 | MohammadAG | unfortunately, 6-1 > 7, or that's what apt thinks |
| 16:34.40 | slonopotamus | can't paste unicode into maemo xchat... wtf |
| 16:35.04 | MohammadAG | no, you can't paste more than one line |
| 16:35.49 | slonopotamus | i didn't |
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| 16:36.08 | slonopotamus | oh, k, some weird symbol |
| 16:36.15 | slonopotamus | that post was titled "次ã®ã¨ã¯ã·ãªã§åèªæ½å" |
| 16:36.20 | RST38h | ah |
| 16:36.37 | slonopotamus | and here's full contents: http://dpaste.org/bVhM/ |
| 16:36.48 | merlin1991 | lol |
| 16:36.52 | slonopotamus | i have no idea what that means |
| 16:37.47 | RST38h | Mohammad: You mean I should install one from your repo? |
| 16:38.11 | MohammadAG | yeah, version maemo7 |
| 16:38.28 | RST38h | hmmm ok |
| 16:39.15 | MohammadAG | apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1maemo7 |
| 16:39.17 | merlin1991 | ah MohammadAG hearing about your repo all the time but never saw an url, gimme! :D |
| 16:39.25 | MohammadAG | it will say downgrading, but it's actually upgrading |
| 16:39.30 | MohammadAG | sometimes apt confuses me |
| 16:40.13 | MohammadAG | #maemo-ssu, if you can test the .install file I'd be grateful :) |
| 16:41.05 | RST38h | hm ok |
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| 16:43.37 | RST38h | Interesting,installing mp-fremantle-generic-pr for some reason keeps back libsdl-mixer1.2 perl-base |
| 16:44.18 | merlin1991 | it keeps that back on my phone too |
| 16:44.28 | merlin1991 | but I don't have the ssu enabled yet |
| 16:44.53 | MohammadAG | RST38h, apt-get install perl-base |
| 16:44.57 | MohammadAG | don't touch the sdl package |
| 16:45.14 | MohammadAG | the perl-base package was updated by Nokia (thanks X-Fade) |
| 16:45.42 | MohammadAG | the sdl package is a package in -devel which breaks your metapackage, idk who uploaded |
| 16:45.43 | MohammadAG | it |
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| 16:47.01 | jacktheripper | is it possible to dump microphone input to the FM transmitter on the N900 ? |
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| 16:47.43 | RST38h | Mohammad: scary |
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| 16:49.04 | MohammadAG | jacktheripper, just dump microphone input anywhere, then start the FM transmitter |
| 16:49.09 | MohammadAG | idk what node the mic is in /dev |
| 16:49.26 | RST38h | apt-get install perl-base tells it is going to remove the mp-fremantle-generic-pr and a whole bunch of maemo5 core packages |
| 16:50.18 | jacktheripper | umm what do you mean by dumping it anywhere ? I want it live not recorded if that's what you meant. |
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| 16:52.57 | jacktheripper | can I just dd mic input into radio0 ? |
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| 16:53.17 | lcuk | jacktheripper, try it? |
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| 16:53.31 | jacktheripper | okay |
| 16:53.50 | lcuk | chances are you will hear SNFGFKUESNGESUGHDAT.KSHFRIUENRKUNHAINHESAFKJre KIND NOISES |
| 16:53.55 | lcuk | but IDK |
| 16:55.09 | MohammadAG | RST38h, then ignore it |
| 16:55.53 | SpeedEvil | jacktheripper: no, it's horribly more complex than that. |
| 16:55.59 | SpeedEvil | Radio0 is not a sound device |
| 16:56.20 | SpeedEvil | you need to convince pulseaudio to do it. |
| 16:56.41 | SpeedEvil | It may be possible to use sox to do this. |
| 16:56.45 | sivang | MohammadAG: maybe it'd be better to provide each package upgrade separately ? |
| 16:57.23 | sivang | SpeedEvil: is Radio0 an pulseaudio "sink" that has it's protocl/API for accessing and not plain dev node? |
| 16:57.24 | MohammadAG | no |
| 16:57.59 | sivang | MohammadAG: why not? to you need to authenticate the whole package (is it a meta package btw?) for HAM to accept it? |
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| 16:59.17 | MohammadAG | it uses a fake mp-fremantle-generic-pr package |
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| 16:59.29 | MohammadAG | but no, if you want separate packages remove the existing metapackage |
| 17:00.04 | sivang | MohammadAG: so the meta package exists in purpose to not allow you to individually upgrade some of the core componenets and still have the nokia package in? |
| 17:00.07 | SpeedEvil | radio0 has nothing whatsoever to do with audio |
| 17:00.11 | SpeedEvil | it's just a control node |
| 17:00.19 | sivang | SpeedEvil: ah, so to enable/disable |
| 17:00.26 | SpeedEvil | yes, and tune, and ... |
| 17:00.44 | sivang | SpeedEvil: so like to choose the transmitting frequency ? |
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| 17:01.02 | MohammadAG | <jacktheripper> umm what do you mean by dumping it anywhere ? I want it live not recorded if that's what you meant. |
| 17:01.20 | MohammadAG | I meant you don't have to address the FM transmitter directly, just find a way to play mic input through speaker output |
| 17:01.29 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Basically, removing the mp-*-pr thing automatically suggests removal of pretty important system packacges like rtcom stuff |
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| 17:01.51 | RST38h | MohammadAG: So, I guess, living without any mp-*-pr at all is not a good idea |
| 17:02.04 | MohammadAG | no, it shouldn't |
| 17:02.39 | MohammadAG | I lived without it for a month or two actually :) |
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| 17:05.38 | Khertan | Hi again |
| 17:05.49 | RST38h | MohammadAG: I hope you did not do apt-get autoremove during that time :) |
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| 17:06.27 | Khertan | I got strange charging problem since three night with wall charger on my n900 |
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| 17:07.00 | Khertan | the two first time the n900 was powered so i think that it s come from process eating cpuj |
| 17:07.28 | Khertan | but this night i shut it down and in the morning it was only charged at 40% when i power up |
| 17:08.17 | Khertan | so more than when it s start to charge but less than it should be after 6 hours of charge |
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| 17:08.36 | Khertan | could it be the charger which is defect |
| 17:08.36 | Khertan | ? |
| 17:08.52 | Khertan | but i see the charging icon when i plug it in the n900 |
| 17:09.05 | Khertan | this is kinda strange, isn t it ? |
| 17:09.05 | RST38h | Electronic Arts and developer Danger Close have bowed to pressure and announced that the Taliban side would simply be referred to as "opposing force." |
| 17:09.23 | RST38h | Medal of Honor would allow players to take the role of Taliban forces in multiplayer games, causing no small amount of consternation among political groups and military supporters. |
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| 17:09.58 | RST38h | Khertan: I had two N900s (one a developer unit) fail to go into charging mode during the night, for unknown reason |
| 17:10.29 | RST38h | Khertan: Might have somethingto do with voltage spikes in the outlet, dunno |
| 17:10.36 | Khertan | rst38h: it will be a borring game : run ... run ... run ... explode with the bomb |
| 17:11.04 | RST38h | Khertan: Nah, talibs are actually more lively than that |
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| 17:11.16 | stef_204 | hi, does anyone know if there is a way so that the email client in maemo on n900 does NOT dowload all attachments when checking for emails (IMAP)? |
| 17:11.35 | GAN900 | RST38h, saw that a few times on my proto. |
| 17:11.46 | Khertan | RST38h : hum maybe but the electronic alarm haven t lost his datetime |
| 17:11.51 | GAN900 | Obnoxious when the phone is dead leaving the house. |
| 17:12.21 | sivang | -> (out, "be back later") |
| 17:12.24 | RST38h | I know for sure it is not related to the N900 hw |
| 17:12.34 | RST38h | Because TWO of them could not do the same thing in a row |
| 17:14.08 | Khertan | RST38h, but yes it s possible has we have many electricals problem on the electrical network many out of power every day. And when i start electrical device i can see light blinking |
| 17:14.19 | RST38h | shit, something installed python again =( |
| 17:14.54 | RST38h | Khertan: If you can get an old voltage stabilizer, get one |
| 17:15.30 | RST38h | Khertan: Or a UPS, I guess, will do the same thing |
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| 17:16.10 | SpeedEvil | I have a ferroresonant power conditioner. |
| 17:16.28 | RST38h | How do I check who depends on a given package? =) |
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| 17:17.38 | RST38h | Your next Nokia device: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/07/wp7main1.jpg |
| 17:17.41 | RST38h | hides |
| 17:17.48 | rdesfo | is there a perl6 version that works with nokia's n900? |
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| 17:19.03 | Khertan_ | hum ups will beep during the night in the room |
| 17:19.03 | Khertan_ | my wife will be not happy |
| 17:19.03 | Khertan_ | :) |
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| 17:21.47 | SpeedEvil | Place ape over beeper. |
| 17:21.50 | SpeedEvil | tape |
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| 17:23.30 | Khertan__ | grrr third deconnection |
| 17:24.33 | Khertan__ | ~ping |
| 17:24.33 | infobot | ~pong |
| 17:25.42 | nocturnal | using the gui installer for the maemo sdk i ran into an error when it was setting up scratchbox targets. i've pasted the last parts of the install log here http://pastebin.com/DH5Majyh |
| 17:25.51 | nocturnal | i've tried running /scratchbox/login manually but it says run sb-menu first, and sb-menu says i'm not allowed to run it. even though my user is in sbox group. i've also tried with root. |
| 17:27.43 | lcuk | nocturnal, did you try reading the troubleshooting guide and specifically about vdso? |
| 17:27.59 | nocturnal | no i did not, thank you lcuk |
| 17:28.23 | lcuk | nocturnal, I googled the first error |
| 17:28.28 | lcuk | something you could have done ;) |
| 17:28.29 | lcuk | http://suppressingfire.livejournal.com/35277.html |
| 17:29.14 | nocturnal | very nice of you =) |
| 17:29.18 | lcuk | hope it fixes it anyway :P |
| 17:29.21 | nocturnal | thanks |
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| 17:34.59 | RST38h | Khertan: Just move somewhere with stable power, dammit~! B) |
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| 17:40.15 | dRbiG | anyone here got some experience with gtk(+) programming? |
| 17:40.49 | dRbiG | i need a widget to be hidden _and_ not to be included in the size calculation of the container and i have currently no idea how to do it :) |
| 17:41.10 | dRbiG | or i'm just getting the impression that the hidden widget is still used for the calculations |
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| 17:42.53 | DrIDK | Can somebody help me to test something : try to open http://thecorpo.fr/sacha/stream2.mpeg from your brother |
| 17:43.24 | _llll_ | mt brother's on holiday |
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| 17:47.10 | jacktheripper | why does 'cat /dev/kmem' crash the device here ? |
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| 17:50.37 | SpeedEvil | unsure. |
| 17:50.45 | SpeedEvil | I tried that ages ago, and it did |
| 17:50.49 | nocturnal | i'm seeing a lot about debian x64 being unsupported with the SDK. is this serious? should i maybe reinstall with just 32-bit? |
| 17:52.11 | nocturnal | meh i'll give it another shot now that i disabled vdso |
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| 17:58.09 | GAN900 | Weather starts dipping into the 80s and it feels like winter. |
| 17:58.44 | kirma | has learned that mr. jaaksi is leaving today :I |
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| 18:00.17 | pupnik_ | what was he responsible-for? |
| 18:00.44 | Stskeeps | kirma: :O |
| 18:00.51 | Stskeeps | kirma: [citation needed] |
| 18:00.54 | pupnik_ | i find the explosion of arm-based portables mysterious, looking at n810... n900... somehow missed the wave |
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| 18:01.07 | pupnik_ | how did that happen? |
| 18:01.19 | RST38h | Epic, definitely epic: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/30/nokia-n8-vs-iphone-4-camera-showdown/?utm_source=engadget&utm_medium=twitter |
| 18:01.26 | kirma | I can't give citations. consider it a rumor. |
| 18:01.58 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :( |
| 18:01.58 | RST38h | (and yes, few people understand that "overprocessed"!="better") |
| 18:02.02 | Stskeeps | kirma: please let the replacement -not- be someone from MS.. |
| 18:02.02 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:02.15 | juk | how to emulate |
| 18:02.28 | kirma | and... I'm not a nokia employee, nor employee of a subsidiary or other company in direct interaction with nokia |
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| 18:03.14 | RST38h | Jaaksi gone? |
| 18:03.26 | RST38h | Ohhoho, more Changes are coming |
| 18:03.26 | juk | help |
| 18:03.37 | tybollt | RST38h: jaaksi gone? why? |
| 18:03.47 | kirma | I really hope for a proper verification for this word-of-mouth |
| 18:03.53 | kirma | too... |
| 18:04.32 | RST38h | kirma: URL or it didn'thappen. |
| 18:04.45 | kirma | then it didn't |
| 18:05.09 | juk | how to emulate using Xephyr? |
| 18:05.16 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :( |
| 18:05.29 | MohammadAG | ~maemosdk |
| 18:05.29 | infobot | methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation |
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| 18:06.07 | juk | thanks infobot |
| 18:08.25 | tybollt | ~slap juk |
| 18:08.25 | infobot | ACTION slaps juk, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! |
| 18:09.33 | pupnik_ | ty RST38h |
| 18:09.47 | juk | infobot, it's kind of welcome, i get it |
| 18:10.27 | tybollt | ~kill juk |
| 18:10.27 | infobot | ACTION shoots a hyper-charged positrino gun at juk |
| 18:11.14 | juk | ~headshot juk |
| 18:11.14 | infobot | ACTION shoots juk in the head |
| 18:11.28 | juk | ~blood juk |
| 18:12.14 | juk | ~bleeding juk |
| 18:20.04 | juk | MohammadAG: I did everything by instructions why Im missing that af-sb-init.sh? |
| 18:20.46 | juk | anyone have one, would share content? |
| 18:20.48 | MohammadAG | nokia-binaries? |
| 18:20.52 | juk | yes |
| 18:21.13 | juk | by imea i got link added to list updated ... |
| 18:22.42 | juk | and replacing symlinks by dir is outdated info, it is already dirs |
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| 18:23.59 | juk | tybollt: im sorry i meant no offence, emotions |
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| 18:25.37 | tybollt | juk: :) |
| 18:26.17 | RST38h | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d2tpSCVVujc |
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| 18:26.34 | RST38h | Sweat dreams. |
| 18:27.43 | juk | RST38h: im not allowed to watch youtube |
| 18:28.03 | RST38h | And? |
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| 18:29.25 | juk | RST38h: do you know what in af-sb-init.sh |
| 18:29.39 | RST38h | some shell code? |
| 18:29.53 | juk | RST38h: exactly |
| 18:30.21 | juk | RST38h: i need it, shortly |
| 18:30.27 | RST38h | And? |
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| 18:31.09 | juk | RST38h: i assume you don't have it, so have I nice day |
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| 18:32.36 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:34.27 | GAN900 | RST38h, you said Jaaksi is leaving? *eg* |
| 18:34.46 | RST38h | GAN: not me, some other guy |
| 18:34.47 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh :( |
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| 18:34.57 | RST38h | GAN: Said he heard it, no URL though |
| 18:35.34 | RST38h | GAN: But there is a cute video of a living electroturd devouring an iPhone at the above URL, to make you forget =) |
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| 18:39.09 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 18:39.48 | TiagoTiago | my photo gallery is broken :( |
| 18:40.10 | TiagoTiago | it says operation failed and says there are no images |
| 18:40.56 | TiagoTiago | hm, the builtin media player also isn't finding anything |
| 18:41.35 | SpeedEvil | reboot |
| 18:41.46 | TiagoTiago | already did |
| 18:42.00 | TiagoTiago | hm, rootfs got zero bytes free.... |
| 18:42.19 | SpeedEvil | rm -rf / |
| 18:42.26 | SpeedEvil | (will break your device more) |
| 18:42.32 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 18:42.34 | kirma | I said... the leaving part. but consider it a rumor slipped out from regular intoxicated finns on a friday night. :I |
| 18:43.03 | RST38h | kirma: Go back there, bring 'em more booze! |
| 18:43.37 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, please give me, who have got one |
| 18:45.52 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox |
| 18:46.56 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have af-sb-init.sh, if you got one, *pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox* |
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| 18:47.22 | Stskeeps | .. |
| 18:47.25 | juk | so I installed, scratchbox following http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af-sb-init.sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox |
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| 18:48.31 | GAN900 | kirma, so I should source you when I write it up for next week's mwkn? *g* |
| 18:49.08 | RST38h | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:49.53 | juk | so I installed scratchbox, following: http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af*-*sb*-*init*.*sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox |
| 18:50.16 | RST38h | Somebody, help that juk guy, he is getting really annoying now. |
| 18:50.16 | tybollt | GAN900: 'some dude on IRC said that..." |
| 18:50.42 | juk | RST38h: no, im cool, just reformarting... |
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| 18:50.54 | RST38h | GAN900: Just source Eldar Murtazin, nobody will say a word at that =) |
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| 18:53.45 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 18:54.24 | GAN900 | Well, clearly if Jaaksi's on his way out, they must've signed a deal with Darius. |
| 18:54.31 | GAN900 | He's got his think tank. |
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| 18:56.15 | RST38h | His think tank is filled up with nuts up to the rim. |
| 18:57.52 | lcuk | juk, why didnt you follow the official scratchbox installation instructions or use the GUI installer that makes it trivial? |
| 18:58.22 | jacktheripper | found that FM transmitter routes all the audio automatically to FM, so I just have to route mic input to audio output. Can I do THAT, with dd ? |
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| 19:00.51 | juk | so I installed scratchbox, following: http://dartarrow.net/maemo-sdk-installation-on-linux/233 12 step failed i don't have *af*-*sb*-*init*.*sh*, if you got one, pastebin output: cat `which af-sb-init.sh` from your scratchbox |
| 19:00.58 | juk | gives command: Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac -kb & |
| 19:01.02 | MohammadAG | <jacktheripper> found that FM transmitter routes all the audio automatically to FM, so I just have to route mic input to audio output. Can I do THAT, with dd ? |
| 19:01.02 | juk | Unrecognized option: -kb |
| 19:01.12 | MohammadAG | not sure about dd, but I told you that about 2 hours ago :P |
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| 19:01.51 | juk | please someone edit wiki |
| 19:02.30 | MohammadAG | juk, take out -kb |
| 19:02.41 | MohammadAG | you're probably on Ubuntu 10.04 |
| 19:02.53 | jacktheripper | damn, didn't notice :/ |
| 19:02.57 | jacktheripper | sorry for that :D |
| 19:03.17 | juk | MohammadAG: yes, 9 days remaining to 10.10 |
| 19:03.27 | TiagoTiago | gotta go, cya |
| 19:03.32 | gregoa | juk: my /usr/bin/af-sb-init.sh --> http://paste.debian.net/92766/ |
| 19:04.21 | MohammadAG | juk, I'm on 10.10, but that's not the point, the Xephyr package on 10.04+ doesn't have the -kb option |
| 19:04.30 | MohammadAG | so just hit ALT+F2 |
| 19:04.45 | MohammadAG | paste Xephyr :2 -host-cursor -screen 800x480x16 -dpi 96 -ac |
| 19:04.45 | MohammadAG | hit ok |
| 19:04.55 | MohammadAG | or run, whatever |
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| 19:08.22 | juk | gregoa: god bless you kind man, could you also pastebin: /etc/osso-af-init/af-defines.sh |
| 19:09.28 | juk | MohammadAG: thanks |
| 19:09.41 | gregoa | juk: sure --> http://paste.debian.net/92767/ |
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| 19:19.31 | juk | My God help you in everything you doing, last thing: |
| 19:19.38 | juk | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/osso-gtk.defs' not found |
| 19:19.38 | juk | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/keyboard.defs' not found |
| 19:19.39 | juk | AF Warning: '/etc/osso-af-init/sdl.defs' not found |
| 19:21.01 | juk | gregoa: if it makes sense, i dont know how many, else |
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| 19:22.05 | gregoa | juk: here we are (all 3): http://paste.debian.net/92769/ |
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| 19:23.19 | ikke-t | hi, i'm having problems getting stacked windows working on my test app |
| 19:23.30 | ikke-t | is there any limitations for using them? |
| 19:24.18 | ikke-t | i made three widgets, and tried to obey the example, but failed getting them appear as stacked window |
| 19:24.28 | pronto | anyone know how to get a self timer working for the n900? |
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| 19:27.04 | opdf2 | ANyone have a simliar problem of Call Notify always saying I have 5+ missed SMS when i only have one? |
| 19:27.29 | Funnyface | do you know if the performance of wimax is comparable to DSL? or is it just about as sheite as UMTS/HSDPA? |
| 19:27.57 | Funnyface | packet loss and latency wise |
| 19:28.08 | Surfa | depends |
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| 19:28.40 | ShadowJK | packet loss depends on signal |
| 19:28.54 | ShadowJK | I have about 30 - 50ms latency, consistently |
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| 19:29.20 | ShadowJK | (on UMTS/HSDPA your first pings take 1000ms before it starts becoming reasonable) |
| 19:30.12 | ShadowJK | Then again I have a 30cm fixed dish in a tower in my backyard, pointing at the base station 500m away. |
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| 19:31.33 | Surfa | but is wimax really alive somewhere? :) |
| 19:31.40 | RST38h | Yes |
| 19:32.06 | ShadowJK | it's filling the adsl/umts notspot here. |
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| 19:35.43 | juk | gregoa: May God protect you from whole the trobles of life, thank you! |
| 19:36.29 | gregoa | juk: you're welcome |
| 19:36.55 | juk | MohammadAG: I got this output when run af-sb-init.sh, looks like bug: http://paste.debian.net/92771/ help |
| 19:37.31 | MohammadAG | sb-conf select FREMANTLE_X86 |
| 19:39.05 | juk | and? |
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| 19:40.19 | juk | << Startup Xephyr, with the x86 targets pointing the output to it >> what that suppose to mean 12 step dartarrow.net |
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| 19:44.45 | nocturnal | http://i.imgur.com/A7C2K.jpg finally got the sdk working! thanks for all the help you guys who helped me figure out vdso32. |
| 19:46.05 | juk | nocturnal: mac? |
| 19:48.14 | nocturnal | yes |
| 19:48.26 | nocturnal | i use vmware fusion to run linux |
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| 19:52.02 | juk | MohammadAG: http://paste.debian.net/92777/ |
| 19:52.29 | lcuk | nocturnal, :) |
| 19:52.37 | juk | nocturnal: why no app panel? |
| 19:52.48 | MohammadAG | juk, echo $DISPLAY |
| 19:53.12 | nocturnal | the dock you mean. i think it's worthless when you have spotlight. unfortunately Adolf Jobs hard coded it into the desktop so turning it off disables like 4 other services and makes the desktop unusable. |
| 19:53.17 | nocturnal | so it's only hidden to the side |
| 19:53.27 | juk | MohammadAG: [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~] > echo $DISPLAY |
| 19:53.28 | juk | :2 |
| 19:54.11 | MohammadAG | are you sure you have nokia-binaries installed? |
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| 19:55.24 | ShadowJK | nocturnal, why does your nick look completely unknown to me on freenode, but when I see your own irc window it looks familiar |
| 19:55.36 | juk | MohammadAG: how comes, I am apologising, please, i din't realise, apparently not [:shame:] |
| 19:55.52 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 19:56.13 | nocturnal | ShadowJK: no idea, i've been on freenode since like 2000 but mostly in #freebsd back before the extra # |
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| 20:00.11 | BugBlue | clear |
| 20:02.05 | DocScrutinizer | poll! |
| 20:02.54 | DocScrutinizer | who thinks /topic should lose the "| Skype...*$" part? |
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| 20:04.53 | DocScrutinizer | please post "topic -" if you think the topic should get shorter (i.e. delete the part after&incl " | Skype" |
| 20:04.56 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
| 20:05.26 | DocScrutinizer | please post "topic +" when you think the topic is ok as it is now |
| 20:05.33 | korhojoa | topic - |
| 20:05.52 | korhojoa | (are we allowed to start yet?) |
| 20:05.58 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 20:06.01 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
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| 20:07.51 | DocScrutinizer | topic - |
| 20:08.11 | juk | DocScrutinizer: why in India? |
| 20:08.35 | DocScrutinizer | inia COMBINED image comes without Skype |
| 20:08.49 | juk | DocScrutinizer: clear |
| 20:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | some legalese about encryption |
| 20:10.09 | SpeedEvil | I wonder why wpa2 is ok |
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| 20:17.40 | nocturnal | has anyone managed to setup cpu transparency for ARMEL so you can run the ARM apps without transferring them to the tablet? |
| 20:17.51 | nocturnal | i get a missing devkit. |
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| 20:18.34 | luke-jr_ | nocturnal: yes |
| 20:18.41 | luke-jr_ | but not necessarily *Maemo* apps |
| 20:19.00 | nocturnal | luke-jr_: ok well should i read this for help on how? http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/devkit.html |
| 20:19.05 | nocturnal | or how did you do it? |
| 20:19.07 | luke-jr_ | but I do have a working ARM chroot for Gentoo |
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| 20:19.50 | luke-jr_ | http://slonopotamus.org/gentoo-on-n8x0/qemu |
| 20:20.11 | luke-jr_ | again, not sure how that can be modified to run Maemo apps or not |
| 20:20.14 | luke-jr_ | but it's a start |
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| 20:22.23 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify the python stuff under /usr/lib/ ? |
| 20:26.02 | nocturnal | thanks luke-jr_ |
| 20:26.08 | luke-jr_ | np |
| 20:26.36 | TiagoTiago | oh, and hi |
| 20:29.37 | TiagoTiago | anyone? |
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| 20:40.19 | kirma | &last 200 |
| 20:40.23 | kirma | er. |
| 20:40.37 | TiagoTiago | is it safe to optify the python stuff under /usr/lib/ ? |
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| 20:42.16 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone used witter? |
| 20:42.21 | SpeedEvil | I can't setup oauth |
| 20:42.26 | ShadowJK | isnt it already optified |
| 20:42.46 | ShadowJK | check output of df.. |
| 20:42.51 | SpeedEvil | On returning from the browser, and clickg ok, I get a window that's off the bottom of the screen with what looks to be an entry box that I can't use. |
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| 20:47.11 | sivang | hi |
| 20:47.38 | sivang | how do I know which firmware my N900 is? Middle east, UK , it was sent to me from Espoo, Finland |
| 20:47.55 | sivang | does this holds as a UK version or the "plain" images? |
| 20:48.35 | sivang | as per FNC gift |
| 20:48.59 | sivang | picks "GLOBAL" release |
| 20:50.34 | opdf2 | nm had to edit callnotify.py |
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| 21:01.56 | dRbiG | hmm, how are the efforts to enable n900 to be a usb host? |
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| 21:04.55 | sivang | is the maemo Fiasco image called like this due to this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fiasco_(L4_clone)#Fiasco ? |
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| 21:06.36 | wmarone | doubtful |
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| 21:09.23 | DocScrutinizer | dRbiG: they are like http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62787 |
| 21:09.57 | sivang | wmarone: it is acually mentioned with relationg to Symbian and in some way Maemo |
| 21:11.54 | ArGGu^^ | sivang you can check your firmware version from settings->about product |
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| 21:12.36 | pupnik | spend some time educating folks, if you know something |
| 21:13.12 | juk | i don't know, i think i'm cursed, emulation wont start! |
| 21:13.23 | sivang | ArGGu^^: 3.2010.02-8 |
| 21:13.36 | ArGGu^^ | sivang I bought my n900 from Finland and it has global firmware |
| 21:13.45 | sivang | ArGGu^^: great, then that's probably what I have |
| 21:13.46 | ArGGu^^ | sivang that should be global |
| 21:13.48 | sivang | ArGGu^^: thanks :) |
| 21:13.52 | sivang | ArGGu^^: how do you gather that? |
| 21:14.05 | sivang | ArGGu^^: I mean, that the version is global firmware? |
| 21:15.19 | ArGGu^^ | usa firmware version should in .002, middle east and north america .003, india .004 and uk .203.x |
| 21:15.29 | ArGGu^^ | *should end |
| 21:16.14 | sivang | ArGGu^^: nice, is this on the wiki somewhere? |
| 21:16.18 | sivang | ArGGu^^: how do you know that? :) |
| 21:16.31 | ArGGu^^ | global firmware just have the normal version number It does not have it own suffix |
| 21:17.09 | ArGGu^^ | sivang http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php |
| 21:17.29 | ArGGu^^ | firmwares that you can download from there has those suffix |
| 21:17.37 | ArGGu^^ | and global has none suffix |
| 21:17.48 | juk | I'm cursed, emulation wont start! http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504157/ help me!!! |
| 21:18.42 | E0x | juk: start dbus |
| 21:18.57 | sivang | ArGGu^^: but that appears to be only in the file name no |
| 21:19.23 | sivang | ArGGu^^: so the "Brief Description" column has the same version number for any make |
| 21:19.40 | ArGGu^^ | sivang http://regmedia.co.uk/2010/02/16/n900_1.jpg |
| 21:19.42 | sivang | ArGGu^^: but if your's global, and was bought in finland then that's okay |
| 21:19.50 | ArGGu^^ | there is screenshot of about product |
| 21:19.54 | sivang | uh-ha! |
| 21:19.58 | sivang | ArGGu^^: thank you SO MUCH |
| 21:20.01 | ArGGu^^ | and it has the .002 suffix |
| 21:20.59 | sivang | ArGGu^^: yes, I see that now, I never saw a different device so that helps |
| 21:21.24 | sivang | It is very rare hre |
| 21:21.25 | sivang | here |
| 21:21.28 | sivang | ;) |
| 21:21.29 | juk | E0x: after dbus manually started: http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504158/ |
| 21:22.50 | sivang | ArGGu^^: now the _COMBINED image means it has the eMMC vanilla as well? |
| 21:24.12 | sivang | ArGGu^^: or do I still need to fetch the older in version time stamp image of the eMMC here: http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 21:25.11 | juk | E0x: again http://pastebin.ubuntu.com/504161/ |
| 21:26.38 | juk | E0x: screw it, i gonna do all over again |
| 21:27.05 | ArGGu^^ | sivang I'm not sure of that. I have just updated my n900 using ssu |
| 21:27.54 | sivang | ArGGu^^: ah okay. |
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| 21:29.18 | juk | yeah |
| 21:30.27 | juk | where's home directory actually in scratchbox? |
| 21:31.03 | sivang | juk: it is bind mounted to your regular home, IIRC |
| 21:32.11 | juk | sivang: i want take rootstarps out of there and blow off /scratchbox |
| 21:32.54 | juk | sivang: btw, it's not my actual home dir |
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| 21:33.25 | ArGGu^^ | sivang I think that depends where you have bind it. I got in /scratchbox/users/<username>/home/user |
| 21:33.37 | ArGGu^^ | juk check /scratchbox/users/<username>/home/user |
| 21:34.15 | juk | ArGGu^^: yeah, thats deal |
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| 21:36.01 | sivang | ArGGu^^: ah, right |
| 21:39.03 | ArGGu^^ | btw has anyone tested meego on n900? |
| 21:39.09 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: it's quite varbatim in ~flashing - anyway COMBINED is rootfs + possibly bootloader + possibly cellmo FW, and VANILLA is partitioning of eMMC and content of MyDocs which happens to be a eMMC partition |
| 21:40.17 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: yes, I just now deduced it since there was no other things for it to be combined with, as if ti was combined with the eMMC somehow, they would not provide the eMMC as well:) |
| 21:40.27 | DocScrutinizer | so if you want to keep $HOME and MyDocs, you do not want to flash VANILLA |
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| 21:41.51 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: yep, noted thanks. |
| 21:42.00 | juk | sudo /scratchbox/sbin/sbox_ctl stop |
| 21:42.08 | juk | WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING WARNING |
| 21:42.15 | juk | Trouble umounting! Some mounts could still be active! |
| 21:42.32 | juk | am I clear to rm -rf /scratchbox ? |
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| 21:42.59 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: that's quite hilarious :) - NEW-HOME-SIZE=4096 |
| 21:43.00 | sivang | sed -e "s/2048/$NEW-HOME-SIZE/" path/to/*VANILLA*.bin >patched-VANILLA.bin |
| 21:43.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | eh? |
| 21:43.25 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I mean, one would think it'd require more than that. |
| 21:43.27 | nox- | moin |
| 21:43.32 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: so I was quite surprised to see that |
| 21:43.35 | sivang | moins nox- |
| 21:43.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, that's just enough |
| 21:44.39 | nox- | moin sivang |
| 21:44.54 | juk | why it happens to me?! |
| 21:44.57 | ArGGu^^ | juk You want to remove scratchbox? |
| 21:45.08 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: how much can you enlarge it than its original size? I mean, the size of the eMMC is 32G tops right? |
| 21:45.08 | juk | ArGGu^^: yes, very much |
| 21:45.36 | ArGGu^^ | juk How did you install it? |
| 21:46.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: yes, and you'll need 768M for swap, and should keep at least 1G for MyDocs |
| 21:46.29 | juk | ArGGu^^: sudo aptitude install scratchbox-core scratchbox-libs scratchbox-devkit-qemu scratchbox-devkit-debian scratchbox-devkit-doctools scratchbox-devkit-perl scratchbox-toolchain-host-gcc scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 scratchbox-toolchain-cs2007q3-glibc2.5-i486 scratchbox-devkit-svn scratchbox-devkit-git scratchbox-devkit-apt-https |
| 21:46.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | sivang: so up to 30G for home should work |
| 21:47.01 | juk | and lots of lots stuff waisting my connection |
| 21:47.23 | ArGGu^^ | juk http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation#Un-installation |
| 21:47.45 | juk | I knew it gonna be messy, why did I |
| 21:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | juk: BEWARE! BEWARE! rm -rf /scratchbox has nukes quite some systems, because of the bindmounts back to "host"-system |
| 21:49.44 | juk | DocScrutinizer: I dont care now |
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| 21:50.23 | DocScrutinizer | neither. Is fetching popcorn and watching the horrormovie to come in this channel :-P |
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| 21:51.28 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: HAHAHA |
| 21:51.50 | DocScrutinizer | juk: probably if you'd go for a clean new install of your PC's linux OS right away, that'd be much easier than first nuking it by rm -rf /scratchbox |
| 21:52.23 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: this happened to me once, so I learned on the flesh. Never happend since. (Not with Maemo, but with various ubuntu chroots bindmounted for network and other stuff) |
| 21:52.45 | sivang | I reacalled scratchbox has an uninstall "feature" no? |
| 21:53.38 | juk | DocScrutinizer: really that bad, apparently I can't remove it |
| 21:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | juk: check mount |
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| 21:55.02 | juk | echo /scratchbox on /scratchbox/users/juk/scratchbox type none (rw,bind) |
| 21:55.02 | juk | /tmp on /scratchbox/users/juk/tmp type none (rw,bind) |
| 21:55.25 | juk | echo /dev on /scratchbox/users/juk/dev type none (rw,bind) |
| 21:55.35 | DocScrutinizer | hehe, so if you don't need your /tmp anymore... |
| 21:55.49 | DocScrutinizer | nor your /dev |
| 21:55.50 | nox- | just umount those first? |
| 21:55.56 | DocScrutinizer | yes! |
| 21:56.04 | MohammadAG | no |
| 21:56.10 | sivang | juk: try to umount first, if yo get 'fs busy' make sure no apps or shell session are in those dirs |
| 21:56.20 | sivang | MohammadAG: ? |
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| 21:56.24 | juk | sivang: no way |
| 21:56.29 | juk | sivang: busy |
| 21:56.40 | MohammadAG | there's a way to stop the mounts |
| 21:56.50 | MohammadAG | sec |
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| 21:57.18 | sivang | MohammadAG to the rescue! |
| 21:57.25 | MohammadAG | mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo /etc/init.d/scratchbox-core stop |
| 21:57.25 | MohammadAG | Stopping Scratchbox: umount, binfmt_misc. |
| 21:57.32 | sivang | oh right |
| 21:57.34 | sivang | silly me |
| 21:57.48 | juk | MohammadAG: Im done |
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| 21:58.51 | sivang | MohammadAG: thanks for keeping us humane and not vilde hayes :) |
| 21:59.04 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 21:59.28 | MohammadAG | I rm -rf'd /scratchbox on my server once |
| 21:59.33 | sivang | heh |
| 21:59.36 | sivang | I see |
| 21:59.41 | MohammadAG | was about 100km away from it for 2 months or so |
| 21:59.45 | sivang | oh dear |
| 21:59.47 | MohammadAG | ssh failed |
| 21:59.48 | sivang | I have a VDS |
| 21:59.56 | MohammadAG | i couldn't reboot |
| 22:00.29 | sivang | makes it much easier if I screw things up, so you also learned the hard way. So did I with 2 weeks worth packaging work that went downt the drain when rm -rf bindmounted dirs. |
| 22:00.46 | sivang | MohammadAG: in a VDS you can reboot and do whatever you want through a web vmware console |
| 22:00.48 | sivang | MohammadAG: it is quite nice |
| 22:00.58 | sivang | there where omniqueue.com is hosted |
| 22:01.02 | sivang | *that's |
| 22:01.36 | MohammadAG | well |
| 22:01.44 | MohammadAG | you can't reboot it in any way |
| 22:01.50 | MohammadAG | cause the linux kernel is fooked |
| 22:01.54 | MohammadAG | try it |
| 22:01.57 | ArGGu^^ | btw As here is lot of n900 users I think this good place to ask one question |
| 22:02.03 | MohammadAG | rm -rf /dev/* /proc/* /sys/* |
| 22:02.14 | sivang | yes, so I can just reinstall an image |
| 22:02.18 | MohammadAG | you won't recover from that easily without a cold reboot |
| 22:02.20 | sivang | if I want to, through a web ui |
| 22:02.20 | ArGGu^^ | http://arggu.ath.cx/IrGGu.png here is screenshot of irc client that I'm making for n900 |
| 22:02.34 | sivang | MohammadAG: true, that's is why having a VDS is nice (Virtual Dedicated Server) |
| 22:02.36 | MohammadAG | it probably doesn't have a core i5 :P |
| 22:02.46 | sivang | MohammadAG: no, but is very very strong |
| 22:03.03 | MohammadAG | I wanted an i5 back then |
| 22:03.09 | SpeedEvil | http://qkwv.com/xchat.png ArGGu^^ |
| 22:03.15 | SpeedEvil | I find useful |
| 22:03.21 | ArGGu^^ | I put a tab button next text input for nick completion, but I just would want to that if someone has better idea. |
| 22:03.34 | ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil I don't like xchat on n900 |
| 22:03.36 | SpeedEvil | It would be ideal if it was possible to be able to easily rename the tabe. |
| 22:03.38 | sivang | MohammadAG: builds packages in a blink of an eye, I should try qt on it sometime soon, maybe tomorrow |
| 22:03.38 | SpeedEvil | Fair enough |
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| 22:03.59 | MohammadAG | sivang, try the linux kernel |
| 22:04.00 | sivang | logs in to his irssi from the N900 |
| 22:04.02 | ArGGu^^ | *want to know |
| 22:04.10 | SpeedEvil | ArGGu^^: it's some ideas - I like tabs on the left - or right - as usually the chat lines are not long enough to take up a whole line. |
| 22:04.15 | sivang | MohammadAG: will do, should be a nice experiment |
| 22:04.31 | MohammadAG | anyways, I have a laptop now |
| 22:04.36 | SpeedEvil | ArGGu^^: And configurable short aliases for those names would be good. |
| 22:04.40 | MohammadAG | compiling the zImage takes about 3-5 mins |
| 22:04.54 | ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil n900 has some screen so I'm not going use any names list or channel list |
| 22:05.01 | MohammadAG | school day tomorrow, night o/ |
| 22:05.11 | SpeedEvil | ArGGu^^: some screen? |
| 22:05.20 | MohammadAG | ideally |
| 22:05.22 | ArGGu^^ | network and channels are switched with hot keys |
| 22:05.28 | MohammadAG | the IRC client would have both |
| 22:05.30 | ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil sry type I mean small |
| 22:05.33 | MohammadAG | userlists and networks |
| 22:05.34 | ArGGu^^ | *typo :D |
| 22:05.39 | sivang | MohammadAG: night! |
| 22:05.45 | MohammadAG | you would have to swipe left/right to show them |
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| 22:06.01 | MohammadAG | up/down to scroll |
| 22:06.05 | SpeedEvil | ArGGu^^: OK. I typically have several channels open - so that wouldn't work well for me |
| 22:06.12 | MohammadAG | hold on screen to activate copy mode |
| 22:07.04 | SpeedEvil | ArGGu^^: Also consider that your massive date/timestamp takes up as much room as a chanlist |
| 22:07.43 | ArGGu^^ | SpeedEvil that timestamp is only in playback from bouncer |
| 22:07.49 | SpeedEvil | ah |
| 22:08.18 | MohammadAG | ArGGu^^, do consider my points :) |
| 22:08.27 | MohammadAG | o/ |
| 22:08.49 | ArGGu^^ | I would like to have nick completion used from keyboard but I can't think any good key for it :S |
| 22:09.03 | sivang | ArGGu^^: maybe a quick double press? |
| 22:09.06 | SpeedEvil | I use shift-rightarrow |
| 22:09.07 | sivang | ArGGu^^: on the speace |
| 22:09.11 | SpeedEvil | It works well for me |
| 22:09.28 | sivang | ArGGu^^: have youipasted mock ups of the ui somewhere? |
| 22:10.19 | ArGGu^^ | MohammadAG yes I will consider. |
| 22:11.07 | ArGGu^^ | sivang http://arggu.ath.cx/IrGGu.png here is the ui of client |
| 22:12.05 | ArGGu^^ | I like n900 keyboard so using mostly keyboard shortcuts works for me |
| 22:12.23 | ArGGu^^ | but maybe I could take more use of the touch screen |
| 22:12.37 | SpeedEvil | I find it vital |
| 22:12.52 | SpeedEvil | Opening and closing the screen to switch channels would be _annoying_ |
| 22:13.14 | ArGGu^^ | Opening and closing screen? |
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| 22:13.29 | ArGGu^^ | why need to open and close the screen |
| 22:14.36 | ArGGu^^ | my default shortcuts are ctrl+up previous network, ctrl+down next network and channels prev ctrl+left, next ctrl+right |
| 22:14.56 | ArGGu^^ | but shortcuts can be changed from options dialog |
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| 22:25.46 | sivang | is there a way to force time udpate ? |
| 22:26.01 | sivang | boogles at why it does not happen automatically as it used to |
| 22:30.56 | sivang | googles through the wiki |
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| 22:31.59 | SpeedEvil | sivang: apt-get instal openntpd |
| 22:32.17 | SpeedEvil | opening and closing keyb |
| 22:33.04 | sivang | SpeedEvil: why do I have to install something new if it worked before? have I changed anything unintentionally? |
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| 22:40.09 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 22:40.19 | SpeedEvil | I'm suggesting a workaround |
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| 22:40.53 | sivang | SpeedEvil: sure, thanks, I just like to understands what happens behind the scenes :) |
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| 22:42.19 | SpeedEvil | Do not look at the man behind the curtain. |
| 22:42.24 | sivang | hehe |
| 22:42.26 | DrGrov | Good evening |
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| 22:45.02 | Goliath23 | hi |
| 22:45.39 | crashanddie | "The telephone number pasted on boxes of cereal named for Cincinnati Bengals wide receiver Chad Ochocinco was supposed to be for a charity -- but mistakenly directed callers to a sex line" |
| 22:46.16 | crashanddie | How the hell do you recover from such a mistake and keep your job? |
| 22:46.21 | crashanddie | "err, woops"? |
| 22:46.51 | SpeedEvil | crashanddie: By having a lucrative job lined up at an adult buisness PR department. |
| 22:47.03 | sivang | heh |
| 22:47.10 | Goliath23 | i'm writing an homescreen widget that displays bundesliga (expandable to other leagues as well) live scores. now i'm thinking of creating a public repo on the web. maybe someone can help my lousy programming skills. what would be the best place? garage.maemo.org? |
| 22:47.32 | nox- | or maybe they just stopped paying for the line and the phone equivalent of a domain squatter grabbed it... |
| 22:47.53 | crashanddie | nox-: no, they typo'd 888 instead of 800 |
| 22:47.58 | nox- | haha ok |
| 22:48.04 | sivang | hehe |
| 22:48.10 | Goliath23 | its written in qt and currently it just displays a table with the curremt scores with no automatic update yet (it updates at start) |
| 22:48.30 | crashanddie | Goliath23: gitorious.org is pretty popular, garage.m.o might do, it contains features such as bugtracker, source control management and mailing lists |
| 22:48.49 | SpeedEvil | Has anyone used witter recently? |
| 22:48.51 | crashanddie | Goliath23: also, what the hell is bundesliga? |
| 22:48.58 | SpeedEvil | Football. |
| 22:49.00 | crashanddie | SpeedEvil: no, USE KHWEETEUR |
| 22:49.25 | Goliath23 | crashanddie: what vcs does garage use? |
| 22:49.27 | crashanddie | oh, german word for first league? |
| 22:49.34 | crashanddie | Goliath23: svn, IIRC |
| 22:49.34 | Goliath23 | crashanddie: yes |
| 22:49.41 | Goliath23 | crashanddie: ok |
| 22:49.57 | Goliath23 | I think i go with garage for now |
| 22:50.12 | crashanddie | and git, as well |
| 22:50.39 | Goliath23 | btw. does anyone know when full compisite will come to qt on hildon? |
| 22:50.56 | crashanddie | I'm guessing about two months after second coming |
| 22:51.19 | crashanddie | well, 6 weeks after second coming, most probably. |
| 22:51.29 | Goliath23 | seems that only the top level widget can be made translucent. i have a tableview and I can't get rid of the black background.. |
| 22:52.15 | GAN900 | crashanddie, Ochocinco is an ass. It's OK. |
| 22:52.27 | sivang | crashanddie: second coming? |
| 22:52.40 | crashanddie | GAN900: fairy nuff |
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| 22:53.05 | crashanddie | sivang: never heard of second coming? |
| 22:53.16 | sivang | crashanddie: it is related to religion right? |
| 22:53.22 | crashanddie | yeah |
| 22:53.23 | sivang | crashanddie: like, a revalation |
| 22:53.24 | Goliath23 | something like duke nukem forever? |
| 22:53.47 | crashanddie | sivang: no, it's supposed to be the second time that christ will walk the earths |
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| 22:53.58 | sivang | crashanddie: yes, so a revalation to his believers |
| 22:54.39 | GAN900 | sivang, yes, Revelation. |
| 22:54.48 | GAN900 | crashanddie, book of the bible. |
| 22:55.14 | sivang | err, excuse my terrible after midnight spelling |
| 22:55.26 | sivang | I was bound to go to sleep already but am drawned by the magic spells this channel puts on me. |
| 22:58.57 | crashanddie | actually, second coming isn't described in the book of revelations (which is written by John, and discusses the end of the world, apocalypse, four horsemen, etc) -- second coming is far from that. |
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| 23:00.08 | sivang | crashanddie: so it si rather a good thing than an apocalypse? |
| 23:00.25 | crashanddie | well, ironically, the second coming will predict the end of the world, so... |
| 23:00.34 | crashanddie | take your pick :D |
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| 23:00.50 | crashanddie | sivang: i'm not a religious guy at all, I hate religion with a passion. |
| 23:01.09 | crashanddie | I just thoroughly enjoy the books as fiction. |
| 23:01.32 | crashanddie | GAN900: I met the tech lead of my new job |
| 23:01.45 | crashanddie | the guy's a frigging genius/maniac/awesomeness in a box. |
| 23:02.23 | crashanddie | At some point, he started a sentence with "In most of the (programming) languages I designed, I've always tried to include..." |
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| 23:05.04 | sivang | flashes rootfs |
| 23:06.34 | sivang | how long should it show the progress bar once it rebooted? |
| 23:07.03 | sivang | phews |
| 23:07.13 | sivang | the logo and setup appears |
| 23:07.15 | sivang | jesus |
| 23:07.16 | sivang | oops |
| 23:08.18 | sivang | wawo |
| 23:08.25 | sivang | the new first time setup screen is amazing |
| 23:08.28 | sivang | likes |
| 23:09.24 | sivang | especially the card |
| 23:09.28 | sivang | err, the clock |
| 23:10.46 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: we have 2 or 3 votes for shorter /topic, none for keeping as is |
| 23:11.05 | sivang | odd how some of the desktop icons remained and some vainshed |
| 23:11.14 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: sure |
| 23:11.16 | pronto | is there a way to have the camera have a timer before it takes a photo? |
| 23:11.20 | DocScrutinizer | go? |
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| 23:11.37 | crashanddie | yeah, no problem |
| 23:11.45 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog |
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| 23:12.03 | crashanddie | I thought that skype and nitdroid thing would stay for a day or two, not more |
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| 23:14.49 | sivang | hmm, so most of the packages vanished so I have to resync them from the backup |
| 23:14.51 | sivang | oh well |
| 23:15.10 | sivang | notes browser is much faster. |
| 23:16.21 | sivang | kinetic scroll is much better |
| 23:18.28 | sivang | odd I forgot the dimmer applet was stock /me reinstalls |
| 23:19.09 | sivang | just fell inlove deeper with the device. |
| 23:19.47 | DocScrutinizer | still kinetic scroll is way from perfect. It's painfully missing a dynamic damping factor, like throwing 3 times in a sequence gives higher scrolling speed AND much less damping, so scroll persists longer |
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| 23:20.35 | dRbiG | DocScrutinizer: so true |
| 23:20.53 | dRbiG | and there should be an option to reverse it |
| 23:21.03 | sivang | dRbiG: yes, but such a difference for the previous version! |
| 23:21.04 | DocScrutinizer | basically you'd want to have it at a final mode where scrolling never stops until end of window reached. |
| 23:21.10 | sivang | dRbiG: I got terribly annoyed at it already |
| 23:21.25 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: is this the case for iPhone? |
| 23:21.41 | DocScrutinizer | NFC, I never touched an iPhone |
| 23:22.16 | sivang | okay. how do I make the protrain mode take affect btw? |
| 23:22.37 | sivang | thanks people here for pointing him at right wiki resources for making this a smooth process and non destructable |
| 23:22.40 | DocScrutinizer | a first simple approach would be: the faster the scrolling the smaller the damping |
| 23:22.54 | DocScrutinizer | aka 'friction' |
| 23:23.59 | DocScrutinizer | a second stage of sophistication could take into account the number of throws user applied to the current scroll |
| 23:25.11 | DocScrutinizer | one fast fierce throw would give fast scroll that slows down quickly, while 3 or 4 gentle throws give a slow scroll that never slows down |
| 23:26.22 | sivang | right, so backup app asks me if I want to overwrite the osso-addressbook file since the device has a newer version |
| 23:26.38 | sivang | I accidently cliked outside the question, and it just stoped the back up and rebooted |
| 23:26.38 | DocScrutinizer | nice, no? |
| 23:26.41 | sivang | bahg! |
| 23:26.46 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 23:27.27 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: what bugs me here, how will a simple, former iphoner toleratethe fact the backup program asks him about a a file he will never rememebr backing up? |
| 23:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: you can restore from arbitrary backups as often as you want |
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| 23:27.58 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: "An more up to date version of your conacts exists on the device" |
| 23:28.02 | dRbiG | imo n900 is not for iphone users |
| 23:28.15 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: at least that:) |
| 23:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: thank god not all on maemo is tailored to please ex iPhone users |
| 23:28.36 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: hehe, yes, well, I am mor ethinking of someone even coming from Symbian |
| 23:28.49 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 23:28.55 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: it never asks you about "thie file that has an odd osso- prefix" |
| 23:29.13 | sivang | "Restoring contacts" instead |
| 23:29.28 | psycho_oreos | sivang, my previous phone was symbian :p |
| 23:29.47 | DocScrutinizer | I'm thinking of "checkmark your last phone you used!" err, [x]winmoob -.-.->BOOOOOM |
| 23:30.19 | sivang | HAHA |
| 23:30.36 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: it is not healthy for me to laugh so louly at this hour of night :) |
| 23:30.59 | sivang | psycho_oreos: Yes, did S60 ever asked you to replace a file ? :) |
| 23:31.46 | psycho_oreos | sivang, I don't recall that in particular but symbian was just a piece of shite :) utterly and completely |
| 23:32.25 | psycho_oreos | almost always everything is either `certificate not valid'; `cannot write to device' |
| 23:32.35 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: had sybian ever any notion about what's a file? :-P |
| 23:32.53 | psycho_oreos | its like a hardened windows |
| 23:33.10 | sivang | guys comm'on, given symbian's heritage and early design decision it has gone pretty far with S3 in my view |
| 23:33.20 | sivang | ;) |
| 23:33.23 | DocScrutinizer | granted |
| 23:33.32 | sivang | I have a book FN sent me, |
| 23:33.40 | DocScrutinizer | still don't want to swap linux for it |
| 23:34.04 | sivang | and it explains some of the design decision that were never suited for the advanced SoC S60's carry now, and still they make faiely good usage of the hardware |
| 23:34.17 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: sure- me neither, Maemo/N900 is like a true dream come true |
| 23:34.21 | psycho_oreos | I personally don't care about the heritage of an OS, if I bought a device with whatever software its included I expect it to do whatever I please not to give me stupid excuses of needing this or that |
| 23:34.28 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: But I have special affection to my N97mini |
| 23:34.35 | sivang | it has blazing fast photo taking |
| 23:34.45 | sivang | responsiveness to the shot button |
| 23:35.03 | sivang | and the email client is superb for fetching stff out of gmail imap |
| 23:35.07 | sivang | without draining the batteyr at all |
| 23:35.14 | sivang | is not sure how ti does that |
| 23:35.26 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, I considered to get N95-8G a few years ago. But when I had to learn it doesn't have any more external storage slot, I though "meh, screwit" |
| 23:35.48 | sivang | fights the replace dialog |
| 23:36.17 | sivang | I wish we could port the mail client to Maemo/MeeGo :-) |
| 23:36.31 | psycho_oreos | I got N95-1 (the non-NAM version) it was loaded with dreaded puny RAM which hardly allows one to do multitasking let alone the ability to be able to make any use out of symbian |
| 23:36.36 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: yeah., the storage in this device si something else. I use it as a mobile SSHD |
| 23:37.04 | sivang | psycho_oreos: what other alternatives were at that time? consider what other companies were offering :) |
| 23:37.07 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: wtf? aren't there ANY good mail clients out there, that only need a Qt GUI to work on maemo/meego like a charm? |
| 23:37.19 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: yes,my plan as well :) |
| 23:37.40 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: true. There are some quite nice protocol middlwares that ould just use a Qt GUI thrown at them. |
| 23:37.45 | sivang | thinks this could be a nice practice |
| 23:37.59 | psycho_oreos | sivang, I would have personally gone for my very own first linux phone.. maybe an old HTC.. but instead N900 became my first linux phone |
| 23:38.07 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I actually started exploring some of those after going over the changelog of MohammadAG51 's modest package |
| 23:38.32 | psycho_oreos | N95-1 shits me to tears in most cases |
| 23:39.36 | sivang | psycho_oreos: consider the alternative at that time, when my friend bought his N95 and played albeit transcoded movies to a tv, or used N-Gage to play games, people astonished |
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| 23:40.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51 is a constant pain in that he refuses to set up some central wiki location summarizing all his great work, and one decent git repo to pull sources from, and easy-to-install packages for everything, even a repo for HAM |
| 23:41.56 | DocScrutinizer | and he's using tmo way too much to announce his things :-P |
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| 23:42.10 | sivang | tmo? |
| 23:42.15 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: I know someone who refuses to use git or Bazaar because they require* SSH keys⦠|
| 23:42.25 | luke-jr_ | sivang: talk.maemo.org duh |
| 23:42.28 | DocScrutinizer | while no sane human can look at tmo more frequently than once a month |
| 23:42.28 | sivang | ah |
| 23:42.37 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I agree. |
| 23:42.42 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: that often? must be an edge case |
| 23:42.46 | sivang | real men use mailing lists :-p |
| 23:42.50 | luke-jr_ | pfft |
| 23:42.52 | sivang | luke-jr_: hehe |
| 23:42.54 | luke-jr_ | real men use NNTP |
| 23:42.59 | sivang | luke-jr_: for news? |
| 23:43.01 | luke-jr_ | the standard protocol for such purposes |
| 23:43.06 | sivang | luke-jr_: dude, that's the past |
| 23:43.12 | nox- | sivang, gmane |
| 23:43.14 | luke-jr_ | what protocol has replaced NNTP? |
| 23:43.25 | Carneque | hi all is there a good organizer that syncs with outlook calendar? |
| 23:43.31 | sivang | luke-jr_: so you have a news reader for MLs? |
| 23:43.40 | nox- | <nox-> sivang, gmane |
| 23:43.42 | sivang | luke-jr_: no protocl |
| 23:43.46 | luke-jr_ | sivang: ML is just a hacky implementation of discussion groups |
| 23:43.56 | luke-jr_ | NNTP is the standard protocol for them |
| 23:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: simply? no |
| 23:44.13 | luke-jr_ | I suppose one could implement discussion groups with IMAP4⦠|
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| 23:44.34 | luke-jr_ | Carneque: I doubt many, if any, people serious about N900 use Outlook, or even Windows |
| 23:44.38 | sivang | nox-: ah, I will look to how to allows to subscribe and everything, never thought about checking it |
| 23:44.58 | Carneque | anything for organizing urself? |
| 23:45.01 | sivang | used to use NNTP in 1997 |
| 23:45.10 | nox- | sivang, example: gmane.comp.handhelds.maemo.user |
| 23:45.13 | luke-jr_ | unfortunately, NNTP clients are falling by the wayside |
| 23:45.14 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: more elaborate: there's ways to sync the maemo genuine calendar and contacts, and there are organizers that sync easily but don't integrate into maemo well |
| 23:45.23 | luke-jr_ | but it is still the standard, and still best suited for the purpose |
| 23:45.31 | sivang | nox-: I'll install a news reader, do we have something for the tablet? |
| 23:45.41 | nox- | you are soo right luke-jr_ |
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| 23:46.06 | nox- | sivang, im cheating i ssh to a bsd box and run trn4... |
| 23:46.14 | sivang | nox-: heh |
| 23:46.21 | luke-jr_ | once upon a time I wrote a discussion group server that supported frontends for email (mailing list style), NNTP, and phpBB2⦠|
| 23:46.26 | sivang | I can try and do it on my server actually, and then I Might not need gmail at all! |
| 23:46.53 | luke-jr_ | storing messages losslessly in their native/original formats internally, as well as convertible metadata |
| 23:47.00 | Carneque | what should i download on my computer so i can update my schedule there and sync my phone with it? |
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| 23:47.33 | sivang | perhaps other than proper email |
| 23:47.33 | luke-jr_ | Carneque: in theory, you can probably use any standard calendar app and git or bazaar |
| 23:47.54 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: WUT?? |
| 23:48.04 | nox- | sivang, i run mutt on the bsd box too :) |
| 23:48.13 | sivang | nox-: ah mutt! me long lost friend |
| 23:48.14 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: don't tell me Maemo isn't standards compliant for calendar? :/ |
| 23:48.30 | sivang | it is isn't it? |
| 23:48.35 | sivang | ther'es a paper about that somehwere |
| 23:48.36 | DocScrutinizer | wtf has calendar of any form to deal with git?? |
| 23:48.41 | Carneque | hmmm ive never heard of git or bazaar |
| 23:48.43 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: for syncing |
| 23:48.55 | luke-jr_ | all my PIM data is in a Bazaar repo |
| 23:49.01 | hatake_kakashi | sivang, not really, your friend has different needs and wants compared to me.. I still would have loved to have my very own first linux phone |
| 23:49.03 | DocScrutinizer | scratches head, extendedly |
| 23:49.11 | nox- | sivang, and i even have a local nntpd for a few lists that i dont read via gmane |
| 23:49.20 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: efficient sync and merging capable |
| 23:49.22 | sivang | hatake_kakashi: sure, I was not saiying it can come instead of a linux phone |
| 23:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: sounds nifty |
| 23:49.42 | Carneque | this is basic functionality isnt it? |
| 23:49.47 | sivang | nox-: that's 7133t |
| 23:49.49 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: my maildir is also in git |
| 23:50.07 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: and I have a server-side script that automatically makes commits for changes (monitored with inotify) |
| 23:50.11 | Carneque | i would think peeps wuld be all over developing that |
| 23:50.12 | hatake_kakashi | sivang, not for me, I thought symbian would have been more flexible than that motorola crap OS I had on me lost motorola v3 |
| 23:50.22 | hatake_kakashi | alas that wasn't the case |
| 23:50.24 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: that's damn nifty for sure |
| 23:50.56 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: works well, even with ~220 folders and over 700,000 messages |
| 23:51.06 | Carneque | is anyone interested in a project like that? |
| 23:51.09 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: take it. Nobody of the devs really is using outlook |
| 23:51.12 | sivang | hatake_kakashi: well depends on what you're used to I guess. I've only had Samsungs and Ericsson and they were not customiziable anough to my taste |
| 23:51.19 | luke-jr_ | anything else would take forever to sync that⦠but git can pull it off snappy |
| 23:51.24 | luke-jr_ | so I get real-time backups ;) |
| 23:51.28 | sivang | bzr new knit format is cool, yes |
| 23:51.30 | sivang | "new" |
| 23:51.31 | luke-jr_ | (it pushes to my local desktop too) |
| 23:51.36 | sivang | it is not that much new by now |
| 23:51.51 | sivang | so how od I get back the root mode? |
| 23:51.55 | sivang | hmm |
| 23:51.57 | sivang | through HAM? |
| 23:51.58 | luke-jr_ | ⦠|
| 23:52.03 | luke-jr_ | sudo -i -H |
| 23:52.13 | sivang | luke-jr_: ah, thanks |
| 23:52.15 | Carneque | i guess im confused... i dont need outlook just something like it on the desktop |
| 23:52.20 | nox- | or the rootsh package |
| 23:52.36 | luke-jr_ | Carneque: honestly, I maintain 3 independent calendars |
| 23:52.40 | luke-jr_ | one of which is Maemo's |
| 23:52.46 | hatake_kakashi | sivang, or there's always the option to ignore mainstream developers at the time and head for linux phones :) remember trolltech qtopia? :) |
| 23:52.49 | luke-jr_ | the other, KDE's on my desktop |
| 23:52.51 | sivang | also the prompt changes, so I don't get the ncie "/home/user>" anymore |
| 23:53.00 | luke-jr_ | finally, a custom one I wrote for a weekly unchanging stuff |
| 23:53.01 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: aiui sync to a evolution server is pretty much ootb. So if you're using standard gnome/linux |
| 23:53.05 | sivang | hatake_kakashi: never had ti, but read about it yes. |
| 23:53.24 | sivang | hatake_kakashi: quite rad in my view, and predicted a bit of the future if I may say |
| 23:53.24 | luke-jr_ | glares at DocScrutinizer for putting 'gnome' and 'standard' together |
| 23:53.41 | Carneque | evolution server |
| 23:53.45 | Carneque | hmmm |
| 23:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | is amazed to type the cgar seqence starting with 'g' at all |
| 23:53.56 | luke-jr_ | hmm, my maildir git repo is 25 GB now⦠|
| 23:54.04 | DocScrutinizer | g* == EVIL |
| 23:54.17 | Carneque | i then setup a server to manage my calendar? |
| 23:54.19 | sivang | luke-jr_: asks for a password |
| 23:54.24 | luke-jr_ | sivang: so give it |
| 23:54.29 | sivang | luke-jr_: the root one? |
| 23:54.35 | hatake_kakashi | sivang, it made me droll but it was not available in shops around my area at the time.. I still would have loved to own it compared to what has been my epic time of using mainstream brands of phones until n900 |
| 23:54.36 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: a server in unix is a process, not a box |
| 23:55.22 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: you got several servers on your N900 even |
| 23:55.33 | Carneque | i worked in debian and never heard that term explained like that im still fresh though |
| 23:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | most commonly known is X server |
| 23:56.10 | sivang | luke-jr_: have no idea what the password it, /me tries to install rootsh from HAM |
| 23:56.12 | Carneque | which is a box right? |
| 23:56.53 | DocScrutinizer | Carneque: wikipedia is your friend |
| 23:57.12 | sivang | don't get why restore did not reinstall the rootsh package and since he did not erase the .bash* stuff why everytning changed for the prompt settings etc |
| 23:57.15 | Carneque | yeah but im in a chattin mood |
| 23:58.24 | sivang | anyway, time to continuw with this tomorrow |
| 23:58.30 | sivang | byte all! thanks for all the fish! |
| 23:58.37 | Carneque | nice |
| 23:58.42 | sivang | (and for teaching how to fish) |
| 23:58.50 | sivang | err, bye all, that is. |
| 23:59.13 | Carneque | nite all im out too |
| 23:59.37 | Carneque | ill check out git and bizaar thanks for the advice |
| 23:59.38 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: pkgs installed via apt-get aren't backup'd. Just a kind reminder. Also a hint: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
