| 00:01.47 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: what else would you suggest to use for that purpose? |
| 00:01.49 | tobis87 | I have got the kernel from MohammadAG working, however the binary injection driver oopses after insertion: http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE |
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| 00:04.55 | flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: how about atoi? |
| 00:06.02 | tobis87 | Anyway it is a start, now if crashandie manages to create a compilable version it should work. And I have to ask MohammadAG tomorrow for the kernel headers. |
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| 00:10.03 | javispedro | we have a way too long topic. |
| 00:10.31 | javispedro | it also overlaps partially with chanserv welcome message. |
| 00:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: might work as well |
| 00:11.33 | flexxxv | ok thx |
| 00:11.36 | flexxxv | so I'm now at this line: rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl); why on earth is it returning <0??? |
| 00:11.46 | javispedro | atoi is not standard c |
| 00:11.55 | flexxxv | didn't know that |
| 00:12.06 | flexxxv | good to learn some c |
| 00:12.10 | javispedro | wait |
| 00:12.20 | flexxxv | always wanted to :D |
| 00:12.37 | javispedro | forget I exist, it is. |
| 00:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 00:13.16 | javispedro | itoa is the one that isn't. |
| 00:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: maybe tell flexxxv how toproperly output error value and descriptive text after a failed file operation |
| 00:13.58 | flexxxv | i already implementaed this :D |
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| 00:14.12 | flexxxv | no wait |
| 00:14.33 | flexxxv | i implementaed to show an error if it fails to open /dev/radio0 |
| 00:14.37 | javispedro | perror? =) |
| 00:14.44 | pupnik | javispedro |
| 00:14.49 | javispedro | hey pupnik |
| 00:15.04 | pupnik | i'll do something again someday |
| 00:15.07 | javispedro | someone pinged me on to bump the mupen64plus package... |
| 00:15.15 | javispedro | but I'm too tired, I think I'm going to bed instead. |
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| 00:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: man perror |
| 00:21.34 | flexxxv | thx |
| 00:21.42 | flexxxv | invalid seek |
| 00:21.46 | flexxxv | invalid argument |
| 00:21.47 | flexxxv | lol |
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| 00:25.11 | TiagoTiago | sorry, got distracted |
| 00:25.28 | TiagoTiago | yeah, it comes with "bluetooth hid scripts" |
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| 00:28.07 | flexxxv | how can I get more infos then "invalid argument"? |
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| 00:32.20 | flexxxv | wouldn't it make more sense to check first the number of arguments (before opening file)??? |
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| 00:40.34 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: that mini source fragment has quite a number of fundamental issues. First of all you're not closing your file handle in any of the error cases |
| 00:40.57 | DocScrutinizer | then you should first check cmd line parameters, *then* open file |
| 00:41.53 | DocScrutinizer | so, after reposting that, yes it would make more sense to first check cmdline argument number and validity |
| 00:44.19 | flexxxv | ok I Implementated to check cmdline numbers first, also implementated to close the the file on any of these errors. just missing the check if argument is integer. |
| 00:45.04 | flexxxv | Anyway why does perror gives me "invalid argument" after rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl); |
| 00:46.40 | flexxxv | http://pastebin.com/9DquJKy1 (still very very dity) :( but I think it should be working?! |
| 00:47.29 | SpeedEvil | Doesn't ioctl want a FILE pointer? |
| 00:47.34 | SpeedEvil | as returned by fopen |
| 00:47.46 | SpeedEvil | forgets. |
| 00:48.15 | flexxxv | *looking in documentation* |
| 00:51.25 | jarkkom | no, it wants file descriptor |
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| 00:53.12 | flexxxv | thx. so this isn't the problem |
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| 01:09.40 | DocScrutinizer | man ioctl: The argument d must be an *open* file descriptor. |
| 01:12.35 | TiagoTiago | i'm going sleep, cya |
| 01:15.07 | pupnik_ | DocScrutinizer: hey man i might not be around for myuch longer - but i am part of the ... |
| 01:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik_: hey friend, take some sleep :-D |
| 01:17.58 | pronto | D: why does the n900 not have a self timer for the camera ;_; |
| 01:19.31 | johnx | because it doesn't have a tripod mount |
| 01:20.45 | pronto | so? |
| 01:20.54 | pronto | i can prop the camra up and leave it there |
| 01:21.06 | pronto | well the phone |
| 01:21.11 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely recall fcam does have a timer |
| 01:23.03 | pronto | that has a shutter speed and other things, didnt see a timer |
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| 01:46.41 | SpeedEvil | k |
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| 02:34.04 | Psi | sorry, if this has been asked 1000 times but i see meego tablet will run android apps any idea if n900 with meego will as well? |
| 02:35.22 | doc|home | Psi: it'll run android apps? Where did you see that? |
| 02:36.01 | Psi | http://www.talkandroid.com/14728-meego-wetab-tablet-with-support-for-android-apps-on-the-way/ |
| 02:36.08 | Psi | maybe its fake? |
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| 02:37.41 | wmarone | supposedly they are using VirtualBox to do it |
| 02:38.03 | Psi | well it would have to be some sort of VM |
| 02:38.05 | wmarone | it is not a capability of MeeGo but something that the WeTab are doing |
| 02:38.12 | Psi | ah |
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| 02:38.26 | wmarone | Psi: or it could have been a complicated port to work with X, but I'm not surprised at the route used |
| 02:38.42 | wmarone | debatably useful, due to the lack of access to the market |
| 02:39.03 | Psi | yeah |
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| 02:42.28 | Psi | been playing around with lazarus the last few days, seems to be working quite well compiling arm apps on my desktop pc |
| 02:42.55 | wmarone | lazarus? |
| 02:43.18 | Psi | its like opensource delphi for linux |
| 02:43.28 | wmarone | oh? |
| 02:43.35 | Psi | yep |
| 02:43.44 | wmarone | looks it up |
| 02:43.50 | wmarone | I haven't used delphi in years |
| 02:43.59 | Psi | if you want to make apps for n900 you have to compile it yourself and tweak some stuff |
| 02:44.03 | wmarone | right |
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| 02:44.20 | wmarone | everything I've messed with on the N900 has been in C |
| 02:44.29 | Psi | but apt-get install lazarus will get you making x86 linux apps right away |
| 02:45.01 | wmarone | hmm |
| 02:45.07 | wmarone | might check it out later |
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| 02:48.56 | Psi | wonders if the indy libraray will compile for arm in lazraus |
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| 02:55.05 | vkvraju | Hi All |
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| 02:59.09 | user__ | \list |
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| 02:59.49 | user__ | \what the topic? |
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| 03:16.23 | delt | ..... extras repo still broken? :( |
| 03:16.42 | delt | is this because i flashed my n810 and lost all the apps i had on it? |
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| 03:16.52 | delt | thinking i could easily reinstall them?? |
| 03:17.03 | delt | *sigh* anyway... be back later... |
| 03:17.44 | ShadowJK | so when I press about the middle of the battery door, N900 drops cellular :-) |
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| 04:05.30 | pigeon | damn, my n900 turned itself off twice in the last 3 minutes for some reasons... |
| 04:05.48 | pigeon | (or kernel crash or something...) |
| 04:06.52 | wmarone | what's /proc/bootreason say? |
| 04:07.22 | pigeon | pwr_key |
| 04:07.26 | pigeon | it always just says that. |
| 04:07.30 | wmarone | hm |
| 04:07.47 | pigeon | this is also scary... my bash history is corrupted |
| 04:07.55 | wmarone | o_O |
| 04:08.01 | pronto | O_o |
| 04:08.29 | pigeon | .bash_history has some random binary data in it, as well as some sql table create statements in it... |
| 04:08.41 | wmarone | that screams filesystem corruptio |
| 04:08.50 | pigeon | yeah |
| 04:08.59 | ShadowJK | next time if it happens when you're using it with screen on, if the screen contents becomes white just before the backlight dies... then it's probably the battery contacts |
| 04:09.34 | pigeon | how would i fsck /dev/mmcblk0p2? |
| 04:10.53 | ShadowJK | I suggest you don't |
| 04:11.03 | ShadowJK | it just makes it worse |
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| 04:11.54 | pigeon | well, that's probably true, but continue to use the fs wouldn't help it either i thought |
| 04:12.27 | ShadowJK | I tried fsck it once and it made it so fucked up I ended up mkfs a new one and restoring from backup |
| 04:12.37 | pigeon | perhaps it's a good time to backup and reflash... |
| 04:12.58 | pigeon | even if you mount it ro and fsck? |
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| 04:16.43 | ShadowJK | I had it /umounted/ when I ran fsck |
| 04:17.27 | pigeon | oh :( |
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| 04:17.35 | ShadowJK | it took some creative scripting of the actual fsck and failsafes for me |
| 04:17.41 | ShadowJK | and it ended up being pointless :) |
| 04:18.28 | pigeon | hmm |
| 04:19.10 | pigeon | i've been having random power off in the last couple of weeks, and they all feel like either network (2g/3g) or web browser (microb) related, but i'm not 100% sure. |
| 04:19.32 | pigeon | and i guess the fs isn't going to get better like that... :\ |
| 04:19.37 | ShadowJK | :/ |
| 04:19.57 | pigeon | i thought it was kernel power, so i put the stock kernel back last night. |
| 04:20.10 | ShadowJK | I've been having sim card problems :/ |
| 04:20.28 | ShadowJK | it's frustrating when shit doesn't work :) |
| 04:20.37 | pigeon | what sort of sim card problems? |
| 04:21.10 | ShadowJK | two days ago it lost signal 70 times in a day |
| 04:21.25 | ShadowJK | then I cleaned the springs and the sim card and it was like 30 |
| 04:22.04 | ShadowJK | and tonight it "only" broke 5 times after I used tweezers to elevate the sim card springy contacts on N900 a bit... :/ |
| 04:22.25 | ShadowJK | seems it happens when I move around alot, and when there's any pressure on N900 |
| 04:22.44 | pigeon | hmm |
| 04:22.50 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: how old is your n900? |
| 04:22.58 | ShadowJK | over a year |
| 04:23.07 | redeeman | wifi is broken on mine :( |
| 04:23.08 | ShadowJK | or, well, close to a year |
| 04:23.11 | jpinx-eeepc | just out of warranty ? ;) |
| 04:23.17 | ShadowJK | no it has 2 year warranty in eu |
| 04:24.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: mine is 7 months and no sign of anything bad yet, but I am being very careful with the usb socket. |
| 04:24.28 | jpinx-eeepc | andd I never switch it off |
| 04:24.43 | pigeon | my n900 is only about 5 months old :\ |
| 04:24.46 | jpinx-eeepc | though I curse nokia for not making it dual sim |
| 04:25.04 | redeeman | i want dualsim too |
| 04:25.10 | ShadowJK | they haven't had dual sim since like 5510 or something :) |
| 04:25.17 | redeeman | and my damn wifi broke |
| 04:25.26 | ShadowJK | which was a few years before the one that appeared in the first matrix movie... |
| 04:25.36 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - too much presssure from the mobile service providers who only one single sim devices |
| 04:25.59 | jpinx-eeepc | redeeman: what do you mean "broke""? |
| 04:26.45 | redeeman | errors from the module saying it times out with some firmware |
| 04:26.53 | redeeman | and then if i try to up wlan0 it just uses 100% cpu |
| 04:27.03 | redeeman | i checked the md5sum of the firmware files and they are okay |
| 04:27.09 | jpinx-eeepc | over here (asia) I can get good deals on wifi and gprs, but on different sims - so I woul d have to swap out the sims everytime - just not worth it |
| 04:27.29 | jpinx-eeepc | redeeman: did you backup and reflaash ? |
| 04:27.40 | redeeman | i did not reflash, but i dont think thats gonna help |
| 04:27.43 | redeeman | this is kernel stuff failing |
| 04:27.46 | redeeman | and the kernel is fine |
| 04:27.52 | redeeman | and the wlan module is fine |
| 04:27.55 | redeeman | as is the firmware |
| 04:28.05 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds like a corrupted driver or somesuch |
| 04:28.29 | jpinx-eeepc | I'd reflash |
| 04:28.55 | redeeman | how would the reflash fix it? this is not userspace related |
| 04:29.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: I had a dualsim converter for my old 6310i, a bit bulky, but a godsend |
| 04:29.26 | jpinx-eeepc | redeeman: reflash is like - a fresh operating system |
| 04:29.50 | redeeman | i know, but i dont see how that works |
| 04:29.59 | redeeman | you see i dont subscribe to the "reinstall" to fix things solution |
| 04:30.02 | jpinx-eeepc | redeeman: ok - do it your way ;) |
| 04:30.11 | redeeman | i know pretty much a lot about linux |
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| 04:30.19 | redeeman | and reinstalling the same files wont fix stuff |
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| 04:30.32 | jpinx-eeepc | it will if your files are corrupted |
| 04:30.56 | jpinx-eeepc | but what do I know - I have only reflashed mine 3 times |
| 04:30.58 | redeeman | which files? as i said, i already checked the kernel module and firmware files checksum |
| 04:31.13 | redeeman | i had a guy inhere post the md5sum |
| 04:31.18 | jpinx-eeepc | heh |
| 04:31.24 | jpinx-eeepc | you really won't listen ;) |
| 04:31.27 | redeeman | but i would apreciate if you could aswell |
| 04:31.32 | jpinx-eeepc | nope |
| 04:31.38 | jpinx-eeepc | reflash or die :D |
| 04:31.56 | redeeman | md5sum /lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/wl12xx.ko |
| 04:32.11 | redeeman | reflashing is a drastic measure that is not called for at this time |
| 04:32.23 | redeeman | theres 3 things involved here |
| 04:32.24 | jpinx-eeepc | it's drastic it wifi is not working :p |
| 04:32.30 | redeeman | 1: the kernel, 2: the kernel module, 3: the firmware files |
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| 04:32.48 | redeeman | these things can be checked without reflashing |
| 04:32.52 | jpinx-eeepc | yep three things - pride, stubborn-ness and whatever :) |
| 04:33.17 | jpinx-eeepc | sorry dude - I gotta work |
| 04:33.41 | redeeman | okay |
| 04:33.52 | redeeman | anyone else that can post the md5sum of that file? |
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| 04:38.29 | redeeman | i guess not |
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| 04:51.20 | pigeon | alright, i'll remove fcam-drivers too... |
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| 05:10.23 | sabayonuser | Hi! I'm just trying to follow these instructions: http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash#Solution_.231:_swap_.2Fhome_and_MyDocs_partition for solution 1 |
| 05:10.46 | sabayonuser | but when I run sfdisk --no-reread /dev/mmcblk0 < table all I get is invalid ioperation -- o |
| 05:10.54 | sabayonuser | what am I doing wrong? |
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| 05:14.33 | fosstux | I ah i meant invalid option o |
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| 05:16.26 | ieatlint | uh, note that you can brick your device by messing up what you're doing |
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| 05:18.22 | ieatlint | try removing the "--no-reread" part and see if it still gives the same error (it should realise one of the partitions is mounted, and give an error to that effect -- this option is supposed to suppress that check, but if the problem is a command line switch parse error, this may help tell us that) |
| 05:18.54 | luke-jr_ | ieatlint: nonsense |
| 05:19.05 | luke-jr_ | I don't think I've heard of anyone ever bricking N900 so far |
| 05:19.56 | ieatlint | eh, i define bricking a phone as making it unbootable.. the fact that it can be saved by putting it into a flash mode and reflashing is obviously relevant, but then we're just arguing terminology, which is about as pointless as it sounds |
| 05:20.05 | luke-jr_ | N900 isn't a phone |
| 05:20.22 | luke-jr_ | bricking means it's a brick. not recoverable. |
| 05:20.32 | luke-jr_ | not good for anything but a paperweight |
| 05:20.32 | fosstux | ieatlint: The i get Device or resource busy |
| 05:21.07 | ieatlint | fosstux: then for some reason, sfdisk is not parsing "--no-reread" correctly |
| 05:21.35 | ieatlint | luke-jr_: then why are there so many guides out there for devices with phrases like "unbricking" in them? |
| 05:21.52 | luke-jr_ | ieatlint: written by n00bs who don't know what bricking means ⺠|
| 05:22.13 | ieatlint | as i said, a pointless terminology argument :P |
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| 08:13.09 | majeru | hi, shouldn't the debian packages provided for maemo be converted to store their data on the partition mounted on /opt? |
| 08:13.40 | psycho_oreos | in almost all cases yes but not all the time |
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| 08:14.35 | majeru | I just tried GNU screen and it doesn't obey this guideline |
| 08:15.28 | psycho_oreos | that's probably because its small enough to fit on root partition or for PATH's sake its easier |
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| 08:16.36 | majeru | yeah, around 1.5MB, but if you install a few dozens such packages it's easily filling up the rootfs |
| 08:17.33 | psycho_oreos | if it bothers you that much, you may as well move them yourself and either symlink it or change PATH |
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| 08:18.25 | psycho_oreos | plus normally rootfs should have around 60 odd MB free, there's not many GNU console tools that would use rootfs space when you think about it |
| 08:18.54 | majeru | yeah |
| 08:19.08 | psycho_oreos | still has 43MB of rootfs free considering he's already installed a fair few GNU console tools |
| 08:19.50 | majeru | FWIW the screen package is from the maemo tools repository, so maybe that hasn't been converted |
| 08:20.15 | majeru | I installed a few othe rtools myself, and most were properly stored in /home/opt |
| 08:20.17 | psycho_oreos | or you mean its from scratchbox repos? |
| 08:20.54 | majeru | see the 3rd post of this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55295 |
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| 08:23.03 | psycho_oreos | it looks like its part of repos to be used with scratchbox/chroot environment |
| 08:23.19 | psycho_oreos | or simply put SDK environment |
| 08:23.32 | majeru | ok, my fault then |
| 08:23.35 | psycho_oreos | hence the reason why |
| 08:23.45 | psycho_oreos | http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories |
| 08:23.51 | majeru | I'm a newbie (yesterday I bought the n900) |
| 08:24.05 | majeru | thanks |
| 08:24.08 | psycho_oreos | heh |
| 08:24.16 | psycho_oreos | we all had to start from somewhere |
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| 08:24.30 | majeru | it's really great |
| 08:25.11 | psycho_oreos | I personally also use SDK repos on my n900, despite the warnings, all the other standard repos lack the console tools that I desire |
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| 08:25.47 | psycho_oreos | the only issue is that you might end up screwing things if you're not careful but otherwise there's plenty of tools inside sdk |
| 08:26.03 | majeru | I only installed screen from there |
| 08:27.17 | psycho_oreos | I know I have installed dpkg-dev along with dpkg-repack from that repo (or some of it may come from extras-{testing,devel}) |
| 08:27.36 | majeru | is there any good reason for not having tools like screen in the standard repos? |
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| 08:28.01 | psycho_oreos | probably because not many users like to use console tools me thinks :D |
| 08:28.29 | psycho_oreos | they just like the fancy GUI and touching it rather than having to type out commands all the time |
| 08:29.21 | majeru | indeed, but there are some tools I grew addicted of, and screen is one of them |
| 08:31.01 | psycho_oreos | there's lots of tools on command line that I love to use.. the whole GUI thing to me owes CLI dependency, without GUI many users whom are used to using it would freak out at the sign of CLI |
| 08:31.29 | knightstalker | Hello,Is it just me or TuneWiki no longer works? :(,It says I need to update,but where to do so?there is nothing in App Manager's update |
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| 09:18.44 | pexi | iphone queue in finland: http://www.digitoday.fi/files/200_Elisan_iPhone_4_-jono.jpg |
| 09:19.55 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 09:20.02 | xkr47 | ^^ |
| 09:20.30 | jaska | postage-stamp sized jpg |
| 09:20.44 | xkr47 | does jpg store dpi info? |
| 09:20.51 | xkr47 | ;) |
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| 09:22.28 | jaska | well, at 200x150 its postage-stamp anyway :) |
| 09:23.30 | xkr47 | ah, yeah, in n900 of course :) |
| 09:23.39 | kerio | >selling iphones in nokialand |
| 09:23.48 | kerio | i'm surprised there's someone |
| 09:24.53 | psycho_oreos | nothing special about that.. n900 was also sold in appleland |
| 09:25.23 | kerio | you mean, cupertino? |
| 09:26.42 | psycho_oreos | I dunno about that place but I do know that n900 can be bought in stateside :) nothing special really |
| 09:27.12 | ieatlint | nokia only has retail outlets in new york and chicago :P |
| 09:27.18 | ieatlint | otherwise, it's online sales |
| 09:27.22 | achipa | kerio: must be expats or tourists :D |
| 09:27.56 | psycho_oreos | wouldn't some phone retailers retail n900 over there in stateside? |
| 09:28.11 | psycho_oreos | considering n900 has phone functionality, it would be sold off as a phone lol |
| 09:28.11 | ieatlint | phone retailers don't exist really |
| 09:28.21 | psycho_oreos | that's interesting |
| 09:28.42 | ieatlint | 95% of consumers buy phones that are marketed by mobile carriers |
| 09:29.07 | ieatlint | and the carriers give hardware discounts in exchange for them signing multi-year contracts with the carrier |
| 09:29.17 | psycho_oreos | well yeah there's that option as well, and wouldn't n900 be marketed by mobile carrier/s over there? |
| 09:29.45 | ieatlint | there are 4 major carriers in the US, two CDMA, two GSM/UMTS |
| 09:29.54 | ieatlint | and the two UMTS carriers operate on incompatible frequencies |
| 09:30.11 | ieatlint | so consumers have no idea what will work unless the carrier themselves market it |
| 09:30.26 | psycho_oreos | lol that's messed up |
| 09:30.33 | ieatlint | in the US, T-Mobile is the only carrier to work with the UMTS on the N900 |
| 09:30.46 | psycho_oreos | no vodaphone? |
| 09:30.48 | ieatlint | and it's too niche.. |
| 09:30.53 | ieatlint | no vodaphone |
| 09:31.20 | psycho_oreos | heh that's really messed up |
| 09:31.30 | ieatlint | we have virgin mobile, but it's this weird shit that works on CDMA and just re-uses another carrier's network (they sub-contract) |
| 09:32.36 | achipa | psycho_oreos: messed ? wait until you hear that there are plans that make you pay to RECEIVE sms-es |
| 09:32.37 | kerio | ieatlint: who needs standards or government intervention |
| 09:32.43 | kerio | the free market regulates itself, right |
| 09:32.50 | ieatlint | :P |
| 09:33.13 | ieatlint | there are reasons why it's like this |
| 09:33.27 | psycho_oreos | achipa, that's nothing new out where I live :) they're deemed as premium SMS and there are dodgy operators who abuse the premium service by luring users to sign up to them |
| 09:33.34 | ieatlint | we have a gov body that regulates radio frequencies |
| 09:33.39 | psycho_oreos | yeah FCC :D |
| 09:33.39 | kerio | because interoperability would benefit consumers but not phone companies? |
| 09:33.44 | ieatlint | the standard UMTS freqs were already in use |
| 09:34.15 | ieatlint | tmobile bought freqs that were previously reserved by the US gov for its own use to roll out their 3g network |
| 09:34.30 | ieatlint | and after investing billions, they weren't about to let their competitor use it freely |
| 09:34.43 | ieatlint | so ATT reused frequencies from GSM |
| 09:34.56 | ieatlint | thus, we have two sets of UMTS frequencies that are essentially US-only |
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| 09:35.27 | ieatlint | most 3g handsets support one of them... the iphone supports ATT and the rest of the world, for instance |
| 09:35.44 | psycho_oreos | achipa, if you thought that was bad, you have never heard of unlimited internet usage :) out here the wording of unlimited meant certain specified download/upload usage until cap is reached and then you're shaped.. prior to that, they just charge you per extra MB you exceed.. on mobile network, there's no such thing as capping so if you go over you foot the bill |
| 09:35.50 | ieatlint | it's more of an unfortunate set of circumstances than a specific intent to be proprietary |
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| 09:36.24 | psycho_oreos | s/bill/extra bill/ |
| 09:36.26 | ieatlint | psycho_oreos: we have both here |
| 09:36.47 | ieatlint | it costs money to receive sms, yes |
| 09:37.12 | psycho_oreos | ieatlint, I've heard some mobile operators offer true unlimited there.. but then again your monthly quota isn't as small as ours I bet :D unless you live out in the bush/country |
| 09:37.21 | ieatlint | and most data plans are "unlimited", but tethering is not allowed |
| 09:37.41 | psycho_oreos | heh usb ip ;) |
| 09:37.48 | ieatlint | if you exceed a certain amount, they will simply say that you must be tethering to use that much data |
| 09:38.04 | ieatlint | they don't typically charge you extra though.. they just restrict you to EDGE speeds |
| 09:38.21 | ieatlint | i think tmobile is around 2GB/mo... don't know for others |
| 09:38.24 | psycho_oreos | that's not that bad, here they don't care.. they'll just charge you |
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| 09:38.55 | psycho_oreos | you pay extra MB you exceed ontop of your regular bill regardless of how much you exceed for wireless internet |
| 09:39.05 | psycho_oreos | s/internet/broadband/ |
| 09:40.33 | ieatlint | fun stuff |
| 09:40.43 | ieatlint | simply put, we're all getting screwed |
| 09:41.22 | psycho_oreos | and its funny because we're the ones paying them to keep them afloat |
| 09:41.34 | psycho_oreos | so they see us as pure milking cows |
| 09:42.27 | ieatlint | roaming is where they hit you bad with our carriers |
| 09:43.18 | ieatlint | i take my phone to london, and it's $0.015/KB data, $0.35 to send SMS, $1.99/minute to make calls to the US or UK (extra for UK mobile phones) |
| 09:43.49 | ieatlint | receiving sms is free, but only because i have an unlimited sms plan, otherwise it'd be the same cost to receive sms as it is here in the states -- $0.15 if i recall right |
| 09:44.57 | psycho_oreos | roaming here is worse imo.. one of my wireless broadband will only offer 5MB whilst roaming.. any exceeds will be charged per MB whilst using another carrier |
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| 09:47.42 | ieatlint | yes, the conclusion is we're all getting raped :P |
| 09:48.00 | psycho_oreos | and I'd still prefer to be capped rather than get charged because I accidentally went over the specified quota.. wireless broadband usage monitoring is not updated frequently (takes about 24-48 hours) and during that time one can easily exceed that amount by forgetting to add the potential delays :) |
| 09:48.00 | ieatlint | and the n900 is extremely rare where i live |
| 09:48.20 | ieatlint | i've been 4 other N900s here |
| 09:48.26 | ieatlint | 3 of which were at a meego event |
| 09:48.48 | ieatlint | i sold a spare one to mozilla though, so maybe i can say 5 :P |
| 09:48.49 | psycho_oreos | and I'd stil prefer to be capped rather than getting charged because if I accident went over the specified quota I won't have to foot the extra bill* |
| 09:48.56 | alterego | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-11435639 |
| 09:48.59 | alterego | Heh |
| 09:49.13 | psycho_oreos | I'm the only n900 user myself within my circle |
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| 10:00.06 | kerio | psycho_oreos: bandwidth monitor |
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| 10:02.20 | psycho_oreos | kerio, yes I have similar tools for those but even so, its quite stupid how the providers love to charge you for excess usage on top of your regular bill payments to them and not have their own site updated more frequently rather than leaving the end user to be more cautious? or isn't that defeating the whole concept of trying to make your money's worth and to be milked because you have to be cautious but then could miss out unused quota? :) |
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| 10:07.11 | skrr | is this script still supposed to work? (with n900) http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Make_a_phone_call_via_SIP |
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| 10:11.43 | flexxxv | hy, I need some help with this ugly c prog: http://pastebin.com/ku6kdE4M . (I'm using this si4713.h : http://pastebin.com/ypVe631P) . My problem is that I alway get "Invalid argument" when trying to get the noise level of the radio :( . Anyone has an idea about whats wrong? |
| 10:12.30 | flexxxv | or could this just be incompatibel with the kernel? |
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| 10:13.16 | jacekowski | strace |
| 10:13.20 | jacekowski | and compare kernel sources |
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| 10:13.34 | ieatlint | that's c++, not c |
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| 10:16.40 | thp | spam on planet.m.o? |
| 10:17.14 | ieatlint | flexxxv: not sure what your exact problem is, but line 28 should be deleted (if fd isn't opened, don't try and close it), and 38 should just be "rnl.frequency = atoi( argv[1] );" instead of using sscanf() |
| 10:17.18 | jacekowski | flexxxv: that's not going to work |
| 10:17.30 | jacekowski | flexxxv: there are two drivers in kernel sources |
| 10:17.40 | jacekowski | flexxxv: and that code works with one that's not used by nokia |
| 10:19.01 | flexxxv | ieatlint: you are right! deleted this line... must be sleeping yesterdaying... |
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| 10:19.25 | dRbiG | i guess the fact that no application can get a gps fix despite having >3 satellites in view is a standard problem on n900? ;) |
| 10:19.26 | satmd | hands a cup of coffee to flexxxv |
| 10:19.29 | satmd | a BIG cup |
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| 10:19.39 | ieatlint | flexxxv: no worries... sounds like my kind of day :P |
| 10:19.40 | jacekowski | dRbiG: it takes ages |
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| 10:19.46 | flexxxv | better a book for c++ ;) |
| 10:19.48 | jacekowski | dRbiG: if you don't have internet connection |
| 10:20.01 | satmd | I only have the o'reilly reference for c++ myself |
| 10:20.19 | jacekowski | K&R |
| 10:20.22 | flexxxv | jacekowski: so /dev/radio1 is used by the non nokia driver? |
| 10:20.27 | jacekowski | no |
| 10:20.32 | dRbiG | jacekowski: i have internet connection here |
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| 10:20.37 | jacekowski | take a look into sources |
| 10:20.41 | jacekowski | ./media/radio/si4713.c |
| 10:20.45 | jacekowski | ./media/radio/radio-si4713.c |
| 10:21.05 | jacekowski | two drivers |
| 10:21.17 | jacekowski | radio-si4713.c is the one you need |
| 10:21.24 | jacekowski | but on n900 si4713.c is used |
| 10:22.08 | flexxxv | and only one driver for one device right? so this has to fail. :( |
| 10:22.47 | satmd | the linux kernel has a feature for bind/unbinding drivers |
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| 10:22.52 | satmd | I'm not sure it is enabled for n900 |
| 10:23.15 | satmd | but if it is... and your other driver has the right aliases for the device, this could work |
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| 10:29.01 | flexxxv | so i need to compile radio-si4713.c for kenel. unload si4713.c . Load radio-si4713.c and then run my app? |
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| 10:30.59 | majeru | did anyone try to use nokia headsets made for other devices (with more buttons) on a N900? |
| 10:31.19 | korhojoa | yeah, i tried one |
| 10:31.22 | korhojoa | doesn't work |
| 10:31.27 | majeru | I have a headset for N97 and didn't either |
| 10:31.44 | korhojoa | i tried a iphone headset |
| 10:31.48 | majeru | I wonder if it's a hardware or software issue |
| 10:31.48 | korhojoa | all it did was buzz in my ear |
| 10:31.55 | korhojoa | stupid video out :/ |
| 10:32.18 | majeru | this one sounds fine, but the buttons aren't working |
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| 10:35.17 | crashanddie | don't push it in all the way |
| 10:35.23 | crashanddie | leave like 1mm out, should work |
| 10:35.29 | crashanddie | though you may have mono output only |
| 10:35.50 | korhojoa | doesn't really work |
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| 10:36.05 | korhojoa | it can get audio out |
| 10:36.17 | korhojoa | but it just plays the difference between the stereo channels |
| 10:37.19 | DocScrutinizer | multibutton wired headsets aren't supported by the mafw or whatever kernel driver handling the AV connector hw |
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| 10:39.06 | DocScrutinizer | from comparing N95 and N900 schematics I'd guess we could get community driven support for those multibutton headsets as soon as somebody manages to figure out the exact protocol they use |
| 10:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: that's really nonsense |
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| 10:41.29 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: give the fact the top two contacts in N900 (and any Nokia AV) receptacle are left, right; while 3rd and 4th (base) contact are Mic and Gnd |
| 10:41.46 | DocScrutinizer | it makes no sense to plug in anything half way |
| 10:42.30 | DocScrutinizer | except if you got a mono headset and you're interested in the right chan of output only |
| 10:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | even then I doubt it'll work with vast najority of usual plugs |
| 10:44.34 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless Apple actually has a 3.5mm plug that's 1mm *longer* than normal. You MUST NOT insert those overlength plugs all the way down, otherwise your device might break |
| 10:44.38 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 10:44.38 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 10:45.02 | korhojoa | well, to be honest |
| 10:45.11 | korhojoa | it wasn't a apple headset |
| 10:45.20 | korhojoa | it was a razer moray |
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| 10:47.25 | DocScrutinizer | there's lots of brainfarts in industry about how headsets' plugs should be built |
| 10:47.43 | DocScrutinizer | Nokia has chosen an utterly sane and reasonable approach |
| 10:48.03 | DocScrutinizer | which doesn't mean each abomination will be compatible |
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| 10:48.36 | korhojoa | utterly sane? |
| 10:48.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf |
| 10:49.00 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 10:49.46 | DocScrutinizer | read that pdf and learn both how to write specs and how to build proper AV |
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| 10:55.21 | DocScrutinizer | N900 is absolutely compliant to OMTP LC requirements |
| 10:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | as are all other Nokia devices since 2007, afaik |
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| 11:09.06 | flexxxv | ok new plan ;) how should I communicate with a device that uses i2c communication bus if I'm using c++? just using /sys/class/i2c-adapter/? |
| 11:11.18 | DocScrutinizer | yes? |
| 11:11.30 | DocScrutinizer | if there's no dedicated kernel driver... |
| 11:11.46 | DocScrutinizer | in which case the former approach will fail |
| 11:12.03 | flexxxv | so just write "echo 1 > /sys/class/i2c-adapter/somthing" in c++? |
| 11:12.23 | DocScrutinizer | sigh |
| 11:13.01 | flexxxv | *should get a book about c c++ and linux kernel and harware programmin* :D |
| 11:13.14 | DocScrutinizer | system("echo this is a noobs printf line in C") |
| 11:13.45 | flexxxv | I mean just translate this to c++ ... |
| 11:13.56 | flexxxv | lol :D |
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| 11:17.36 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: if there's a sysfs node that takes ascii writes like "1" then you write "1" to that node, no matter which language |
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| 11:18.47 | DocScrutinizer | the beauty of Unix: everything looks very similar regardless of the used coding paradigm, and just everything is a file |
| 11:19.22 | tobis87 | crashanddie: Hi, I got the kernel from MohammedAG working which has cfg80211 not built-in the kernel. However the injection driver crashes after insertion: http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE But I should now be able to compile a recent version with compat-wireless, however the n900 doesn't seem to like the config.mk, do you have a static version, which doesn't need autoconf? |
| 11:20.24 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: MohammadAG51: ^^^ |
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| 11:23.08 | RST38h | Doc: FAIL |
| 11:23.31 | RST38h | Doc: You want beauty, go Plan9 |
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| 11:27.04 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: sorry? |
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| 11:36.01 | FIQ|n900 | does anyone in here know if my unlimited price plan for three SE also will take affect on Ireland three network? |
| 11:36.04 | FIQ|n900 | s/price/data/ |
| 11:36.51 | FIQ|n900 | In denmark it worked fine, but it may be because it's scandinavic as well |
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| 11:37.59 | Arkenoi | Well, plan9 *was* designed to be Unix "as it intended to be". But actual implementation is said to be full of ugly kludges as well :-( |
| 11:39.46 | ieatlint | dude, just wait for hurd, it's going to be *awesome* |
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| 11:59.25 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
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| 12:05.12 | DocScrutinizer | who was the user who asked about other cmdline apps broken due to CR key mapped to NK-Enter instead of proper Return? Here's another example: htop |
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| 12:06.56 | kerio | you can rebind it |
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| 12:08.15 | flexxxv | anyway to auto format a script with tabs? I've found a long scripts that is hard to read because of issing tabs :( |
| 12:08.27 | flux | docscrutinizer, it's plain annoying, but ctrl-j has worked for me |
| 12:08.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | ctrl-m here, iirc |
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| 12:09.44 | flux | possibly so, ctrl-j might be an emacsism |
| 12:11.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | one is cr, the other nl (0x10, 0x13) |
| 12:12.03 | mgedmin | and various stty modes remap one to the other or vice versa |
| 12:12.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | depending on stty usualy one is translated to the other |
| 12:13.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | lol, yes |
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| 12:15.25 | crashanddie | stty -echo |
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| 12:16.33 | MohammadAG | mainwindow.h:6:33: error: QMaemo5InformationBox: No such file or directory |
| 12:16.37 | MohammadAG | grr, wtf? |
| 12:17.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | this probably has no effect for programs like less / or htop search though |
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| 12:17.43 | MohammadAG | w00t_, poke, you use it in facebrick :) |
| 12:17.50 | w00t_ | QT += maemo5 |
| 12:19.08 | MohammadAG | oh, pro file |
| 12:19.12 | MohammadAG | thanks :) |
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| 12:37.45 | DocScrutinizer | iDent, Apple's new electric toothbrush |
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| 12:39.46 | MohammadAG | cancels order |
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| 13:45.55 | [PG]Aex | Elo |
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| 13:53.52 | sssnnz | hi [PG]Aex |
| 13:53.57 | sssnnz | wejp: "In other words, the U.S. Government is taking exactly the position of the UAE and the Saudis: no communications are permitted to be beyond the surveillance reach of U.S. authorities." |
| 13:54.02 | sssnnz | you http://boingboing.net/2010/09/27/obama-administration.html |
| 13:54.06 | [PG]Aex | Hows it hanging?=) |
| 13:54.26 | sssnnz | The mother fucking cock sucking assholes want to spy on you |
| 13:55.04 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: I have got your kernel working (omap1), the zImage file was corrupted, so I extracted it from the deb and converted it. Flashed it and copied cfg80211, it does work however the injection stuff reboots the kernel. |
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| 13:55.26 | [PG]Aex | o.O |
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| 13:58.12 | MohammadAG | tobis87, oh cool, so your phone booted up :P |
| 13:58.53 | tobis87 | Yes, the default modules are compatible, but the injection stuff is not http://pastebin.com/c3hPtZmE |
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| 14:00.56 | tobis87 | But it should now be possible to use a newer version of the driver, could you try compiling http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.35/compat-wireless-2.6.35-1.tar.bz2 in scratchbox with the modified omap1 kernel header files? The autoconf stuff gives me headaches on the device. |
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| 14:03.03 | tobis87 | since I don't have scratchbox, I compile on the device... But this autoconf script config.mk totally gets messed up. |
| 14:08.16 | tobis87 | You have to run in the folder ./scripts/driver-select wl12xx; make |
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| 14:17.24 | darrik | i recently wrote a qt desktop widget for the n900 using the qmaemo5homescreenadaptor class as provided in the example |
| 14:17.43 | darrik | everything works as expected, but when i remove my widget from the desktop, the process zombies |
| 14:18.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | hehe |
| 14:18.24 | darrik | anyone else have this experience, or know if there's somethign you're supposed to do cleanup-wise? |
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| 14:23.09 | tobis87 | http://blogs.forbes.com/firewall/2010/09/29/did-the-stuxnet-worm-kill-indias-insat-4b-satellite/ |
| 14:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | darrik: aiui all desktop widgets are started by a single hildon desktop process inside that context. That's why a single broken widget can make whole desktop fail, or at least no widgets are loaded that come after the broken one in sequence of startup. (disclaimer: all AIUI and AFAIK!). Maybe this is also related when it comes to stopping a widget. Try killall hildon-desktop - it'll restart automatically |
| 14:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | heh, our stuxnet performs really better than expected :-D |
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| 14:28.04 | Maemo | hello |
| 14:28.17 | Maemo | is there anyone help me? |
| 14:28.23 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hildon-desktop doesn't handle widgets |
| 14:28.27 | MohammadAG | hildon-home does |
| 14:29.37 | tobis87 | Could you get it to compile? |
| 14:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: k, still I think a killall h-d will aslo reload all widgets |
| 14:29.59 | lardman | Maemo: just ask |
| 14:30.02 | MohammadAG | h-h* |
| 14:30.04 | Maemo | i cant instal apps via synaptic package manager what should i do? my error is : subprocess rm cleanup returned error exit status 1 |
| 14:30.17 | MohammadAG | tobis87, ? |
| 14:30.55 | Maemo | i have synaptic package manager with easydebian |
| 14:31.02 | Maemo | plz help me |
| 14:31.13 | sssnnz | Maemo: does apt-get work? |
| 14:31.34 | ZogG | Maemo good nick and name i would say |
| 14:31.46 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: (16:00:56) tobis87: But it should now be possible to use a newer version of the driver, could you try compiling http://www.orbit-lab.org/kernel/compat-wireless-2.6-stable/v2.6.35/compat-wireless-2.6.35-1.tar.bz2 in scratchbox with the modified omap1 kernel header files? The autoconf stuff gives me headaches on the device. |
| 14:32.00 | Maemo | no unable to install aplications!l |
| 14:32.13 | ZogG | is back to troll DocScrutinizer |
| 14:32.22 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: (16:08:15) tobis87: You have to run in the folder ./scripts/driver-select wl12xx; make |
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| 14:33.36 | DocScrutinizer | ZogG: Maemo: I'll not agree with ZogG here. 'maemo' is one of the 'reserved words' and shouldn't be used for nicks, like 'admin' or 'freenode' or 'staff' or 'root' |
| 14:34.09 | tobis87 | Maemo: Could you try to install the app in the console, as root, apt-get install appname. And post the error on pastebin |
| 14:34.13 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer do bot understand ~wiki? |
| 14:34.20 | ZogG | ~wiki sarcasm |
| 14:34.36 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer ^ |
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| 14:34.44 | Maemo | no i cant |
| 14:34.58 | ZogG | check his name, he is n900 - so it's ok |
| 14:35.06 | Maemo | i cant install any app hmm:( |
| 14:35.40 | ZogG | Maemo look it as a good thing, it's not that you can't â you just don't need |
| 14:35.40 | DocScrutinizer | I'll check his registration, and evetually kick him |
| 14:35.54 | ZogG | DocScrutinizer i think he is from phone |
| 14:36.07 | Maemo | should i change my nick? |
| 14:36.14 | ZogG | Maemo use /nick user_4_help |
| 14:36.15 | DocScrutinizer | yes, much appreciated |
| 14:36.20 | ZogG | Maemo yes |
| 14:36.29 | Maemo | okok |
| 14:36.31 | tobis87 | Yes, but the console is a bit more verbose... So we can see what the problem is |
| 14:37.11 | ZogG | parsapersian if you use xchat on n900 i would recommend you to make autonick for any nick you wish |
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| 14:37.36 | parsapersian | oh tnx :) |
| 14:37.46 | lardman | watches the tumbleweeds drift past in #qt-maemo |
| 14:37.47 | yacc | Wondering, as the browser in the N900 is mozilla derived, does it support firefox/mozilla addons? |
| 14:37.54 | parsapersian | but what should i do with synaptic?! |
| 14:37.59 | kerio | yacc: somewhat |
| 14:38.00 | yacc | (ad block is personal favorite, ...) |
| 14:38.13 | MohammadAG | looks at the tumbleweed lardman's staring at |
| 14:38.14 | wmarone | yacc: mostly no, due to the UI changes |
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| 14:38.45 | tybollt | lool |
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| 14:38.57 | tybollt | how do I sync my ovi contacts w/ google contacts? |
| 14:38.59 | tybollt | :S |
| 14:43.22 | delt | extras repository seems to be back up as far as i can see? |
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| 14:47.23 | delt | installing stuff from extras, seems to work fine... |
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| 14:54.47 | ZogG | talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=830128#post830128 |
| 14:55.10 | delt | topic |
| 14:55.40 | ZogG | delt ? |
| 14:56.00 | delt | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken *** |
| 14:56.06 | delt | (topic) |
| 14:56.37 | delt | of this channel |
| 14:56.41 | MohammadAG | what about it |
| 14:56.49 | MohammadAG | what about it |
| 14:56.51 | delt | still says extras repo is down |
| 14:57.09 | MohammadAG | it's not a live status thingy |
| 14:57.22 | MohammadAG | pokes DocScrutinizer and crashanddie |
| 14:57.48 | delt | well, i'd expect irc to be more up to date than a web page, no? |
| 14:58.20 | MohammadAG | I'm not an op |
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| 14:59.00 | pexi | nerf op |
| 14:59.10 | mgedmin | actually what's the point of saying "extras is down" in the topic? |
| 14:59.22 | MohammadAG | less spam |
| 14:59.24 | lcuk | the topic is far too long! |
| 14:59.26 | Myrtti | to avoid repeating it alover |
| 14:59.35 | Myrtti | meh language fail |
| 14:59.42 | pexi | topic is too long |
| 15:00.06 | lcuk | Myrtti, then when someone asks a silly question just point them at a FAQ page :P |
| 15:00.14 | lcuk | they still ask anyway |
| 15:00.16 | parsapersian | bye all |
| 15:00.20 | parsapersian | have good time |
| 15:00.21 | lcuk | we just say "look at topic" |
| 15:00.23 | MohammadAG | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/ aren't really needed |
| 15:00.25 | pexi | like if ppl can't find maemo.org if they can find in here :) |
| 15:00.42 | lcuk | why do we mention nitdorid at all in the title? |
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| 15:01.16 | lcuk | takes himself away again |
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| 15:01.44 | DocScrutinizer | provide proof it's really fixed for *all* of the repo servers in akamai serverfarm, and I'll change the topic |
| 15:01.59 | technomike_phone | hey guys :) |
| 15:02.12 | technomike_phone | the usb connector on my n900 has just become loose :( |
| 15:02.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuseems crashanddie felt like mentioning it |
| 15:02.21 | technomike_phone | and come out of the device |
| 15:02.28 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk ^^^ |
| 15:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 15:02.31 | delt | i was just wondering why the topic still said "extras repository is temporarily broken" ...if i had checked here first instead of on the tablet, then i wouldn't be installing apps from it now. |
| 15:03.37 | Termana | Get. Over. It. We aren't all nerd flingers constantly pinging the repos to see weather they have come back up |
| 15:04.07 | technomike_phone | is this a known problem? |
| 15:04.37 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 15:04.44 | delt | ok, so now you know that extras is back up. |
| 15:05.13 | *** topic/#maemo by crashanddie -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid |
| 15:05.21 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 15:05.27 | delt | :D |
| 15:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: where's the proof I asked for? |
| 15:05.45 | crashanddie | oh, you asked for proof? |
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| 15:05.59 | DocScrutinizer | delt: don't teach us about thinks you don't really wrap your head around |
| 15:06.05 | crashanddie | oh, my bad. |
| 15:06.12 | *** mode/#maemo [+o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.14 | delt | DocScrutinizer: sorry my bad too |
| 15:06.28 | *** topic/#maemo by crashanddie -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/ |
| 15:06.35 | *** mode/#maemo [-o crashanddie] by ChanServ |
| 15:06.48 | crashanddie | docscrutinizer: apologies, didn't see your comment. |
| 15:07.00 | crashanddie | slaps delt for inducing him in error. |
| 15:07.08 | DocScrutinizer | delt: if you had bothered to look at the URL page, you'd maybe undertsand it's related to loadbalancing and problem occurs on a part of the machines only |
| 15:07.11 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 15:07.27 | lardman | wonders why crashanddie had to be induced |
| 15:07.47 | lardman | glances back at #qt-maemo and even the tumbleweeds are gone now |
| 15:09.12 | delt | well, i "bothered" to come here and mention that extras seems to be working perfectly from here, that's all. sorry for the confusion |
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| 15:09.44 | crashanddie | lardman, induction has to do with pregnancy? I should warn my girlfriend if she feels like cooking again. |
| 15:10.27 | lardman | well they "induce" a woman who's late, etc. |
| 15:10.46 | lardman | not using indiction heating mind you, afaik anyway |
| 15:10.53 | lardman | induction even |
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| 15:13.25 | ZogG | <lcuk> the topic is far too long! no it's not |
| 15:13.29 | ZogG | you see it only once |
| 15:13.33 | ZogG | when you log in |
| 15:13.44 | ZogG | and than if you don't need any info you don't watch it |
| 15:13.53 | ZogG | and if you do - you don't care it to be long |
| 15:14.05 | ZogG | as you want some info and as more as possible =) |
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| 15:14.17 | mgedmin | ZogG, tl;dr effect |
| 15:14.24 | mgedmin | people won't read a topic if it's too long |
| 15:14.40 | opdf2 | is there an application to play a random ringtone every sms, call, etc? |
| 15:14.43 | mgedmin | especially if 90% of it doesn't ever change |
| 15:14.51 | opdf2 | instead of one chosen one |
| 15:14.54 | ZogG | mgedmin and if it's short - you don;t need it |
| 15:15.01 | lardman | opdf2: no |
| 15:15.04 | ZogG | it's the question of IRC policy |
| 15:15.04 | lardman | afaik |
| 15:15.10 | mgedmin | for values of short equal to 0 characters |
| 15:15.28 | lardman | mgedmin: less than or equal to surely ;) |
| 15:15.36 | ZogG | if you have been on different chans for enuf time you would read topic for most important news before asking |
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| 15:23.45 | crashanddie | and most typically, people who ask dumb questions are the people who don't read topics |
| 15:25.31 | delt | ok well, thanks for the info, sorry for the confusion, and for thinking this irc channel was the most up to date source of info etc etc.... |
| 15:25.39 | delt | bbl |
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| 15:27.11 | ZogG | haha |
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| 15:27.28 | fosstux | Hi! I'd like to install barriosquare - but where can I find it? Its not in extras... |
| 15:27.58 | ZogG | i hate when people i pissed of when someone didn't do for them what they expected. damn, noone here is paid for it! just do something usefull urself ( |
| 15:28.09 | ZogG | fosstux extra-devs |
| 15:29.38 | fosstux | ZogG: what is the url for extras-devel for app manager? |
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| 15:30.51 | lardman | same as extras but with -devel tacked on the end ;) |
| 15:31.04 | lardman | there should already be an entry for extras btw |
| 15:32.23 | fosstux | ah thanks |
| 15:32.35 | fosstux | for extras, yes - not extras-devel |
| 15:32.57 | ZogG | fosstux don't remmeber - you can find it on TMO or MO |
| 15:33.05 | lardman | yep, copy the extras settings and add -devel to the end of the url |
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| 15:33.36 | lardman | shame HAM doesn't allow one to copy then edit an existing repo |
| 15:37.28 | jacekowski | do it by hand |
| 15:37.30 | jacekowski | with nano |
| 15:37.32 | jacekowski | or vim |
| 15:37.33 | jacekowski | or vi |
| 15:37.35 | jacekowski | or mcedit |
| 15:38.14 | tybollt | jacekowski: or emacs |
| 15:38.18 | tybollt | jacekowski: or ooo |
| 15:38.25 | tybollt | or wine and ms word |
| 15:38.35 | jacekowski | nope |
| 15:38.43 | jacekowski | ooo or word will mess up your line endings |
| 15:39.15 | lardman | apt-get install dos2unix |
| 15:42.15 | tybollt | jacekowski: :) |
| 15:42.29 | SpeedEvil | tr |
| 15:42.41 | tybollt | awk |
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| 15:55.05 | slonopotamus | so. looks like gentoo-on-n8x0 supports screen dimming and turning off :P |
| 15:55.39 | slonopotamus | anyone knows how maemo changes wifi powersavings? |
| 15:56.15 | SpeedEvil | icd probably manages it |
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| 15:57.54 | slonopotamus | yeah, but what it does to wifi? |
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| 15:59.50 | slonopotamus | iwconfig wlan0 power saving N doesn't work |
| 16:00.00 | slonopotamus | we don't have icd sources? |
| 16:00.26 | SpeedEvil | indeed. |
| 16:00.29 | njain | to install gcc on maemo 5, i should follow these instructions... |
| 16:00.34 | njain | http://ossguy.com/?p=475 |
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| 16:00.44 | SpeedEvil | what do you mean by 'what does it do'. |
| 16:00.45 | slonopotamus | njain: okay |
| 16:01.09 | slonopotamus | SpeedEvil: well, it should end up either calling some ioctl or writing to sysfs |
| 16:01.31 | SpeedEvil | ah - indeed. |
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| 16:01.42 | SpeedEvil | I was wondering if you were meaning on the RF side |
| 16:02.08 | technomike | guys would really appreciate any help on this. usb connector has become loose and fell out of my n900!! |
| 16:02.30 | slonopotamus | no, i just want to know how it tells what savings to use to kernel |
| 16:02.45 | slonopotamus | technomike: known issue, use warranty service |
| 16:02.52 | technomike | ah :) |
| 16:02.54 | technomike | thanks |
| 16:03.01 | technomike | so nokia care will fix it? |
| 16:03.24 | wmarone | yes, give them shit if they refuse until they do |
| 16:03.26 | slonopotamus | technomike: yes. however they might initially try to reject you |
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| 16:03.54 | slonopotamus | technomike: nokia officially said they do support fixing this problem |
| 16:04.40 | slonopotamus | technomike: backup first, most likely they will just replace whole motherboard |
| 16:05.05 | technomike | ah ok. i think i understand then. lucky then really |
| 16:05.07 | slonopotamus | in some cases, i heard, they just soldered connector back |
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| 16:05.25 | wmarone | is lucky, very lucky |
| 16:05.40 | technomike | oh no. i cannot backup because its the usb connection. |
| 16:05.52 | wmarone | back up to an SD card |
| 16:06.21 | technomike | ah yeah good idea lol. forgot about sd card support. |
| 16:06.34 | slonopotamus | or via wifi |
| 16:06.45 | slonopotamus | hurry up, you can't charge now :) |
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| 16:07.14 | technomike | oh yeah! |
| 16:07.19 | technomike | how to use wifi? |
| 16:07.47 | slonopotamus | backup to builtin sd and then copy backup toother machine |
| 16:07.56 | technomike | 45% charge :o oh no |
| 16:08.01 | slonopotamus | or upload it to a safe place |
| 16:08.26 | slonopotamus | dunno how long repair will take, mine took 3 weeks |
| 16:08.40 | technomike | i don't have a sd card available right now. would have to borrow one. |
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| 16:09.24 | slonopotamus | copy it via ssh/send via blueooth/upload as a gmail attachement :) |
| 16:09.28 | technomike | oh no :o 3 weeks !! |
| 16:10.05 | technomike | i am going to an event next saturday. don't have a camera available so i was going to use n900 |
| 16:10.09 | technomike | oh well :( |
| 16:10.15 | technomike | just my luck!! |
| 16:11.01 | slonopotamus | that's normal repair time in this country :) |
| 16:11.20 | technomike | what country are you in ? :) |
| 16:11.28 | technomike | i am in UK |
| 16:11.57 | mgedmin | 3 weeks without a n900?!!!?! |
| 16:12.02 | mgedmin | *shock* *horror* |
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| 16:12.09 | mgedmin | maybe I'd better buy a spare now before mine breaks |
| 16:12.24 | technomike | exactly mgedmin :( |
| 16:13.11 | technomike | i am using my n900 as my computer until new laptop i am waiting for is released since i had an accident with my last laptop :( |
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| 16:14.59 | slonopotamus | technomike: did your n900 fall while being on charger? :) |
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| 16:16.04 | technomike | yeah :( exactly |
| 16:16.22 | technomike | accident :( |
| 16:16.45 | crashanddie | is writing an LDAP server... lol |
| 16:16.52 | slonopotamus | i'm not sure repair center needs to know that :) |
| 16:17.05 | technomike | haha :) |
| 16:17.22 | technomike | i will just say it suddenly became loose |
| 16:17.39 | technomike | what if they say they will not repair it? |
| 16:18.02 | technomike | or is it a known issue that they fix? |
| 16:18.05 | fosstux | I have problems refreshing extras-devel. |
| 16:18.10 | fosstux | I get error 404 |
| 16:18.31 | fosstux | although I copied the extras url and added -devel |
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| 16:18.58 | slonopotamus | technomike: nokia officially said n900 warranty covers falling off usb connectors. you can google it up and take a printed copy with you |
| 16:19.32 | technomike | ah :D |
| 16:19.40 | technomike | brilliant |
| 16:21.04 | technomike | many many thanks for your help! really appreciate it :D |
| 16:21.26 | technomike | i will have to go now (i am on n900) |
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| 16:34.44 | xDaReaperx | Hi |
| 16:35.00 | slonopotamus_ | hi |
| 16:35.08 | xDaReaperx | why is it that i have to set up the IP address of my WiFi connection manually on my N900 , or else it wont connect normally |
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| 16:35.25 | xDaReaperx | even the DNS |
| 16:35.55 | slonopotamus_ | and you don't have to on some other device? |
| 16:36.23 | xDaReaperx | yes |
| 16:36.39 | xDaReaperx | on my N95 all WiFi's connect automatically to any networks |
| 16:36.48 | xDaReaperx | on the N900 i have to do it manually for my home network |
| 16:37.58 | slonopotamus | and you enabled checkboxed "get ip/dns automatically" in connection settings? |
| 16:38.18 | xDaReaperx | i did that previously it didn't work |
| 16:38.27 | xDaReaperx | i now have to set all the details manually |
| 16:38.33 | slonopotamus | is it "even dns doesn't get set" or "only dns doesn't get set"? |
| 16:38.53 | slonopotamus | (since i saw some dns-on-n900 troubles) |
| 16:38.56 | xDaReaperx | i have to set the IP manually with the DNS |
| 16:39.04 | xDaReaperx | yes with DNS |
| 16:40.19 | slonopotamus | and you have that trouble with more than one AP? |
| 16:40.36 | xDaReaperx | yes more than one |
| 16:40.48 | slonopotamus | (i'd better say "and you have that trouble with APs configured by different people?") |
| 16:40.53 | xDaReaperx | many don't connect , i've tried to access the airport free Wifi it wont work |
| 16:41.04 | slonopotamus | straaange |
| 16:41.14 | xDaReaperx | not strange i've seen people complain about this |
| 16:41.22 | xDaReaperx | i didn't notice any bug's being posted about this |
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| 16:43.09 | xDaReaperx | i don't know if this depends on the type of Router , but some routers connect easy , like the ones in my dads office and university |
| 16:43.18 | slonopotamus | ahha |
| 16:43.22 | xDaReaperx | Some like Lynksis and SMC connect |
| 16:43.32 | slonopotamus | try disabling wifi powersavings |
| 16:43.40 | xDaReaperx | did that also |
| 16:43.49 | slonopotamus | doesn't help? |
| 16:43.54 | xDaReaperx | no dosen't |
| 16:44.24 | xDaReaperx | talk.maemo.org is down i guess |
| 16:46.12 | xDaReaperx | also the routers that i connect on has no Mac address filtering or IP Whitelisting or black listing |
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| 16:46.53 | xDaReaperx | shows this error if i try to connect automatically without setting the IP and stuff manually : connection failed cannot retrive IP address from server |
| 16:47.32 | xDaReaperx | even if DHCP is enabled |
| 16:47.42 | slonopotamus_ | are you sure that AP doesn't have settings that might prevent it from sending dhcp info? |
| 16:48.10 | xDaReaperx | i'm pretty much sure yes , cause as i said my N95 connects to them |
| 16:50.03 | slonopotamus_ | and reboot also doesn't help? :) |
| 16:50.42 | xDaReaperx | lol i've tried to reboot a lot of times .. i tried doing that first , even tried to reboot the house router |
| 16:51.02 | slonopotamus_ | no more ideas, sorry |
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| 16:52.02 | slonopotamus_ | xDaReaperx: well, you can try doing some low-level stuff like analyzing traffic between ap and n900 but that isn't an easy task |
| 16:52.27 | xDaReaperx | Hmmm , how would that help ... |
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| 16:53.54 | vkvraju | hi all |
| 16:54.02 | slonopotamus_ | either n900 doesn't ask for dhcp info or it does it in a wrong way or your ap doesn't respond or responds bad stuff or n900 receives response but doesn't handle it properly |
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| 16:55.16 | xDaReaperx | Hmmm ... Okay you could guide me on how to analyzie the traffic ... , although i doubt it could be a problem with just a router .. but i had doubts regarding the types of routers |
| 16:56.27 | mgedmin | wonders if lcuk knows about http://liquibase.org/ |
| 16:56.39 | slonopotamus_ | xDaReaperx: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60756 similar issue |
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| 16:57.08 | slonopotamus_ | oooh |
| 16:57.23 | slonopotamus_ | xDaReaperx: try changing tkip to aes encryption |
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| 16:57.57 | xDaReaperx | how do i do that |
| 16:58.09 | xDaReaperx | okay the type of encryption |
| 16:58.15 | slonopotamus_ | xDaReaperx: in router web interface wifi settings |
| 16:58.36 | lcuk | mgedmin, nope! |
| 16:58.48 | slonopotamus_ | xDaReaperx: you have wpa, yep? |
| 16:58.51 | xDaReaperx | yes i did it now let me see if it will connect automatically |
| 16:59.02 | xDaReaperx | yes Wi-Fi protected access 2 |
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| 17:01.40 | xDaReaperx | nop still no luck |
| 17:02.02 | xDaReaperx | same error " Internet connection failed. Unable to retrieve IP address from server |
| 17:02.15 | slonopotamus_ | weird |
| 17:03.25 | xDaReaperx | should i try changing authentication method ? |
| 17:03.32 | xDaReaperx | i'm using PSK |
| 17:04.51 | slonopotamus_ | that should be ok |
| 17:06.11 | xDaReaperx | should i make a forum post on talk.maemo.org regarding the issue ? |
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| 17:06.42 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, what happens if you remove the setting profile for your ap |
| 17:06.52 | lcuk | and then reconnect directly as a new connection |
| 17:06.57 | mece | Evenin' maemites |
| 17:06.59 | lcuk | afaik it should select the correct auth method |
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| 17:08.00 | xDaReaperx | you mean from my router ? |
| 17:08.09 | johnsq | Hi |
| 17:08.15 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, I mean on your device |
| 17:08.27 | lcuk | so it resets to thinking its totally new and never seen the ap before |
| 17:08.41 | xDaReaperx | yeah i had the issue before , due to while i creater the ap profile |
| 17:08.43 | xDaReaperx | o |
| 17:08.53 | xDaReaperx | i'll try again by deleting it |
| 17:09.04 | lcuk | worth a try :) |
| 17:11.40 | xDaReaperx | same problem , the wifi icon flashs for long time & gives error : Internet connection failed. Unable to retrieve IP address from server |
| 17:12.01 | xDaReaperx | deleted all saved ap's (had only 2 saved) |
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| 17:16.22 | xDaReaperx | so i ran out of luck .. ? or is this some kind of bug ... |
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| 17:19.07 | lcuk | xDaReaperx, hrm |
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| 17:21.05 | Gh0sty | WHAT? nokia n8 has usb-on-the-go out of the box |
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| 17:21.14 | Gh0sty | why does the n900 still does not have that :( |
| 17:21.50 | tripzero | meh |
| 17:22.55 | mgedmin | Gh0sty, n810 had USB on the go |
| 17:23.19 | Gh0sty | i've seen some reference for the n900 too |
| 17:23.24 | mgedmin | the n900 had software problems they couldn't fix in time to get USB compliance certification or something like that |
| 17:23.27 | Gh0sty | but it goes to obscure russian sites :( |
| 17:23.39 | lardman | cu chaps |
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| 17:30.22 | DocScrutinizer | To get a USB-OTG sticker for your product's box, you need to comply with all the specs for USB-OTG. Nokia wasn't able to implement all the drivers just in time to get N900 to market in 2009. So the only way to sell N900 and still not get on the black list of USB cert authorities was to change the hw to comply with much simpler USB gadget specs like every 'normal' HDD or simple phone or memstick. These changes imply it's impossible to get |
| 17:30.24 | DocScrutinizer | OTG ever, on N900 |
| 17:30.38 | kerio | ;_; |
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| 17:31.08 | kerio | they could've sold the hardware without the drivers, and get a new certification later |
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| 17:31.10 | xDaReaperx | Guys i've made a post on the forum regarding my WiFi problems : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=830235#post830235 |
| 17:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: nope |
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| 17:32.46 | DocScrutinizer | the N900 then wouldn't be any sort of USB device, which in turn will cause Microsoft not to certify any windows driver for N900, plus a lot of other legalese foo |
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| 17:34.17 | DocScrutinizer | possibly Nokia getting fired from USB cert association, or dunno what. Not allowed to sell devices in Europe and China (mandatory USB charging) etc pp |
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| 17:35.06 | DocScrutinizer | *technically* it'd be possible, yes |
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| 17:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | btw all this has its root cause in friggin USB charging. It's hellborne |
| 17:40.59 | RST38h | yep |
| 17:41.18 | RST38h | Who the hell even decided to standardize on it? What dumbo? |
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| 17:41.44 | DocScrutinizer | tell me and I'll visit this brain crook at night |
| 17:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | with a baseball bat |
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| 17:43.23 | RST38h | fragile connector, insufficient current, difficulties implementing usb host, more complicated charger circuitry, more complicated receptaclecircuitry |
| 17:43.23 | DocScrutinizer | seems first to invent that BS were Chinese |
| 17:43.35 | RST38h | Motorolawas the first :) |
| 17:43.39 | RST38h | RAZR |
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| 17:44.18 | DocScrutinizer | oh yes. Moto with al the abomination and violent rapes they did to USB |
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| 17:45.20 | DocScrutinizer | headsets over USB, charging over USB, car stereo over USB, glitters&shit over USB. That's for shure been MOTOROLA |
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| 17:46.30 | DocScrutinizer | curse them for that, until hell freezes over |
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| 17:51.30 | kerio | motorola needs to die a slow death |
| 17:52.50 | wmarone | or stop locking their bootloaders |
| 17:53.01 | wmarone | either way would be good, imo |
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| 18:06.56 | DocScrutinizer | stop locking bootloader? They need to stop doing anything, to make them stop doing bad things |
| 18:08.54 | DocScrutinizer | honestly last good thing I noticed coming from Moto was Amiga's CPU |
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| 18:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | back then Intel was the troll of hw scene with their braindead 80186 CPU |
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| 18:14.25 | GAN900 | G4! |
| 18:15.36 | GAN900 | PPC can only really be faulted for not having x86's economies of scale. |
| 18:16.16 | kerio | RISC > CISC after all |
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| 18:18.00 | GAN900 | Wonder if the next generation of consoles will have PPC again. |
| 18:18.25 | kerio | again? |
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| 18:19.10 | kerio | both the wii and the x360 have PPC CPUs |
| 18:20.22 | kerio | while, of course, THE PS3 HAS NO GAEMZ and thus it can't be qualified as a gaming console |
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| 18:24.53 | luke-jr_ | kerio: look up what 'again' means |
| 18:25.13 | GAN900 | kerio, maybe that was right in 2006. |
| 18:25.35 | RST38h | no future for ppc |
| 18:25.36 | GAN900 | kerio, I mean, sometime in 2012/2013 |
| 18:25.40 | luke-jr_ | kerio: you can run Nibbles on PS3â¼! |
| 18:25.45 | RST38h | intel or amd |
| 18:25.59 | luke-jr_ | stabs RST38h in the face with a G5 |
| 18:26.01 | RST38h | something like tegra2 for portables |
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| 18:27.43 | GAN900 | luke-jr, careful, you'll melt his face off. |
| 18:28.05 | GAN900 | Ew, Nvidia. |
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| 18:28.24 | GAN900 | RST38h, game consoles seem to be a pretty big future. |
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| 18:32.15 | luke-jr_ | GAN900: that's the goal |
| 18:34.04 | GAN900 | The 970fx was, like, 140w TDP, no? |
| 18:34.34 | GAN900 | I think I lost hearing in my left ear from mine. *g* |
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| 18:35.55 | juk_ | help me port man(1) |
| 18:36.21 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 18:36.38 | juk_ | luke-jr_: what? |
| 18:36.57 | luke-jr_ | helps those who help themselves. |
| 18:36.59 | luke-jr_ | <.< |
| 18:37.23 | juk_ | luke-jr_: im serious |
| 18:38.02 | luke-jr_ | juk_: install EasyDebian or Gentoo |
| 18:40.56 | juk_ | luke-jr_: Gentoo also in repo??? |
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| 18:41.31 | luke-jr_ | juk_: ⦠Gentoo is an OS |
| 18:41.39 | luke-jr_ | or meta-OS |
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| 18:42.12 | juk_ | luke-jr_: yeah, i meant is it made available like easydebian? |
| 18:42.20 | luke-jr_ | juk_: no |
| 18:42.34 | luke-jr_ | juk_: you install it basically the same as you install Gentoo anywhere else |
| 18:43.06 | juk_ | luke-jr_: on sdcard right? |
| 18:43.16 | luke-jr_ | shrug |
| 18:43.19 | luke-jr_ | I installed it on eMMC |
| 18:43.25 | luke-jr_ | with /var/tmp on SD |
| 18:44.09 | juk_ | luke-jr_: wow, do you got step by step manual? |
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| 18:44.18 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 18:44.37 | luke-jr_ | the Maemo wiki has a page on reparitioning eMMC |
| 18:44.45 | luke-jr_ | Gentoo handbook has info on installs |
| 18:44.53 | jacekowski | is there ARM stage3? |
| 18:44.58 | luke-jr_ | the Gentoo-on-N8x0 page might have relevant tips otherwise |
| 18:44.59 | juk_ | luke-jr_: you build it? |
| 18:45.02 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: of course, mulitple |
| 18:45.08 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 18:45.16 | jacekowski | how long does it take to compile? |
| 18:45.35 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: shrug |
| 18:45.52 | juk_ | luke-jr_: did you build it or image? |
| 18:45.57 | jacekowski | ah, it's still compiling? |
| 18:46.09 | luke-jr_ | juk_: native |
| 18:46.14 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: no, I just didn't time it |
| 18:46.22 | juk_ | luke-jr_: wow |
| 18:46.24 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: probably less time than my first Gentoo install took |
| 18:46.45 | luke-jr_ | 600 MHz ARM should outperform 800 MHz PIII I think |
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| 18:47.13 | jacekowski | i installed gentoo on arm long time ago |
| 18:47.23 | jacekowski | and i was going from stage0 |
| 18:47.27 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, http://enivax.net/jk/n900/whatswap.png |
| 18:47.40 | jacekowski | it took ages to build |
| 18:47.50 | juk_ | luke-jr_: so you have, gnome or openbox? |
| 18:48.00 | luke-jr_ | juk_: KDE |
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| 18:48.07 | juk_ | luke-jr_: wow, amazing |
| 18:48.08 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: fresh boot? |
| 18:48.13 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: quite low mem usage |
| 18:48.15 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: there is no stage0, never has been |
| 18:48.29 | ShadowJK | jacekowski, luke claimed it's impossible |
| 18:48.32 | luke-jr_ | juk_: less amazing than your GNOME suggestion |
| 18:48.41 | luke-jr_ | juk_: GNOME is far more bloated than KDE, and far less usable |
| 18:48.48 | jacekowski | luke-jr_: stage0 mean bootstraping it from scratches using crosscompiler |
| 18:49.21 | slonopotamus | -.- |
| 18:49.36 | luke-jr_ | as slonopotamus here just learned recently :D |
| 18:50.00 | apexi200sx | anyone using python for development |
| 18:50.06 | slonopotamus | jacekowski, that's what we did. |
| 18:50.19 | luke-jr_ | jacekowski: we did? |
| 18:50.38 | luke-jr_ | pretty sure I used Gentoo's official stage3 |
| 18:50.39 | apexi200sx | basically i want to develop on a mobile device with python and maemo seems to have the best support |
| 18:50.42 | luke-jr_ | err, slonopotamus: |
| 18:50.50 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: boo Python! |
| 18:50.58 | apexi200sx | lol y |
| 18:51.17 | luke-jr_ | it annoy me |
| 18:51.23 | baraujo | apexi200sx, you can go to #pymaemo, and if you like Qt you can go to #pyside too :) |
| 18:51.24 | slonopotamus | luke-jr_, no, you didn't. you used stage3 i built (there was no armv6 stage at that time) |
| 18:51.44 | luke-jr_ | slonopotamus: I only just got my N900 a few months ago |
| 18:51.50 | slonopotamus | hmm |
| 18:52.12 | slonopotamus | n900, yep, you're right then |
| 18:52.15 | apexi200sx | i am not sure whether to get a n900 or wait, do you know of any maemo devices coming out |
| 18:52.27 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: Maemo is dead. there will never be another Maemo device. |
| 18:52.37 | apexi200sx | luke-jr-: why does it annoy you, what do dev in then |
| 18:52.47 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: as whether you should get N900 or not, depends on what you want |
| 18:52.52 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: C |
| 18:52.55 | luke-jr_ | or Perl |
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| 18:53.10 | apexi200sx | luke-jr-: i take it you haven;t used python then |
| 18:53.36 | slonopotamus | apexi200sx, python is slow and bloated. |
| 18:54.28 | apexi200sx | are we talking too ? slow for use on a maemo device |
| 18:54.44 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: I have. Python makes my head hurt. |
| 18:54.54 | luke-jr_ | I regret that I started one long-term project in it. |
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| 18:55.12 | slonopotamus | on maemo device, memory is a much tighter constraint. |
| 18:55.40 | juk_ | hey thanks to python im using Gmapcatcher |
| 18:55.45 | apexi200sx | luke-jr_: Strange how peoples minds differ then, in my opinion Python is one of the cleanest and elegant languages |
| 18:56.26 | slonopotamus | apexi200sx, you messed up, it's haskell is clean and elegant. |
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| 18:56.32 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 18:56.33 | slonopotamus | s/it's// |
| 18:56.42 | lcuk | python is just another tool available for use, in relation to other languages its not as optimal but that doesn't matter to everyone |
| 18:56.44 | luke-jr_ | pretty-looking != useful |
| 18:56.59 | slonopotamus | luke-jr_, i didn't say useful :) |
| 18:57.19 | RST38h | apex: how many other prog languages do you know and what has been byour first language? |
| 18:57.51 | slonopotamus | my first language was perl :) that totally screwed up my taste |
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| 18:57.59 | luke-jr_ | bets anyone who likes Python doesn't know many (if any) other languages |
| 18:58.14 | lcuk | i like python for some uses |
| 18:58.21 | lcuk | the same ones I would use .vbs for actually |
| 18:58.22 | apexi200sx | Well in my day job i unfortunately have to deal with C++ and VB6 |
| 18:58.24 | slonopotamus | lcuk, indentation!!! |
| 18:58.36 | lcuk | slonopotamus, doesnt matter |
| 18:58.39 | luke-jr_ | meh |
| 18:58.46 | luke-jr_ | compared to C++ and VB6, Python has a good shot |
| 18:58.47 | luke-jr_ | :p |
| 18:58.57 | lcuk | apexi200sx, :) i got shouted at by many for saying I was a vb6 developer ;) |
| 18:58.58 | luke-jr_ | especially if that's MSVC++ and not real C++ |
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| 18:59.17 | luke-jr_ | also, anyone still using VB6 today should be shot |
| 18:59.19 | luke-jr_ | <.< |
| 18:59.20 | lcuk | c++ and vb6 are both compiled languages tho |
| 18:59.27 | lcuk | python is closest to vbs :P |
| 18:59.41 | lcuk | luke-jr_, github describes liqbase as a visual basic project |
| 18:59.48 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 19:00.01 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk |
| 19:00.13 | apexi200sx | python is nothing like vbs |
| 19:00.16 | lcuk | liqbase-playground rather - on the repository list |
| 19:00.21 | lcuk | apexi200sx, sure it is |
| 19:00.22 | luke-jr_ | lcuk: I only exclude you from the firing squad cuz liqbase is coolish |
| 19:00.40 | slonopotamus | from #meego-arm: "Under connectivity related settings, there were GPS, WiFi, 3G, Bluetooth and airplane." o_O |
| 19:00.43 | lcuk | python and vbs are interpreted and can bring in elements of main os |
| 19:01.01 | lcuk | luke-jr_, the worst part is that liqbase is all c :P |
| 19:01.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | msvs is great :-P |
| 19:01.05 | apexi200sx | is it object oriented |
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| 19:01.24 | lcuk | apexi200sx, IDK |
| 19:01.31 | lcuk | it doesnt matter |
| 19:01.36 | lcuk | its a scripting skin |
| 19:01.42 | luke-jr_ | apexi200sx: what kind of object oriented? |
| 19:02.30 | luke-jr_ | class-based (C++, Python, Java), prototype-based (MOO), or hybrid (ECMAScript)? |
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| 19:04.58 | RST38h | Govt To Bomb Guam With Frozen Mice To Kill Snakes |
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| 19:05.39 | slonopotamus | what do i need to ioctl/sysfs in order to enable wifi psm? |
| 19:06.03 | ShadowJK | oh great, 3 minutes at work and I hear n900 skype disconnect |
| 19:06.19 | ShadowJK | ponders other theories why sim issue only happens at work |
| 19:06.25 | DocScrutinizer51 | hmm |
| 19:06.41 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer51, ^ |
| 19:07.06 | lcuk | ShadowJK, at home if i connect via 3g |
| 19:07.22 | lcuk | I will connect/reconnect routinely every 30 mins or so |
| 19:07.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: SIM issue? are you sure? |
| 19:07.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | skype discon looks to me like simple connectivity loss |
| 19:08.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | slonopotamus: dunno |
| 19:09.07 | dRbiG | does anyone managed to get networking over usb under win 7? |
| 19:09.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | ShadowJK: at work your 3G BTS might suck and N900 tries to roam to 2G which maybe isn't supported by Ur carrier |
| 19:09.48 | slonopotamus | dRbiG, didn't ms support help you? |
| 19:10.53 | dRbiG | slonopotamus: hehe ;) |
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| 19:11.35 | slonopotamus | dRbiG, wut? i thought if you legally bought windoze, you get support from ms. |
| 19:12.15 | slonopotamus | (and maemo-side usb networking is fully documented) |
| 19:13.42 | dRbiG | slonopotamus: ms support dosen't have anything in connection to my question |
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| 19:14.25 | slonopotamus | once called HP support because couldn't boot linux on dc7600. they said 'oh no, it doesn't support linux, use windows'. and after some googling i found user-contributed solition on hp forum :D |
| 19:14.52 | dRbiG | slonopotamus: that's why i ask here |
| 19:15.03 | dRbiG | slonopotamus: and i too have hp hardware |
| 19:15.37 | dRbiG | btw. i ask if, not how :P |
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| 19:17.41 | juk_ | dRbiG: that's why type in browser n900 usb networking hit enter and pick first link |
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| 19:18.30 | nox- | moin |
| 19:19.27 | pupnik | oin |
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| 19:21.29 | nox- | moin pupnik |
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| 19:22.45 | nox- | finally got the maemo xterm to behave... |
| 19:23.02 | nox- | xterm-n900,\n\trmkx@, smkx@, kcub1=\E[D, kcud1=\E[B, kcuf1=\E[C, kcuu1=\E[A, use=xterm, |
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| 19:24.01 | nox- | get that thru tic(1), set TERM to it, and finally less vim & friends behave... :) |
| 19:24.20 | marmoute | nox-: mutt will work too ? |
| 19:24.40 | nox- | (some more tweaking needed when ssh'ing to a bsd box but i guess few use one here... :) |
| 19:24.54 | slonopotamus | nox-, what does that thing do? |
| 19:24.57 | nox- | marmoute, ssh'd to another box mutt works too |
| 19:26.28 | marmoute | yeah |
| 19:26.42 | marmoute | get that thru tic(1) ? |
| 19:26.58 | nox- | slonopotamus, tic is the terminfo `compiler' |
| 19:27.17 | slonopotamus | nox-, i mean, that string |
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| 19:27.32 | nox- | part of ncurses-base on debian, not sure if maemo has it too |
| 19:28.04 | nox- | slonopotamus, redefines those terminfo fields that n900 interprets wrong |
| 19:28.28 | slonopotamus | sounds cool |
| 19:28.32 | nox- | resp disables (trmkx@ smkx@) |
| 19:28.33 | slonopotamus | :D |
| 19:29.03 | nox- | export TERMCAP='xterm-n900|N900 xterm:ks@:ke@:kl=\E[D:kd=\E[B:kr=\E[C:ku=\E[A:tc=xterm:' |
| 19:29.06 | slonopotamus | does it fix ESCOM? |
| 19:29.07 | nox- | that what i do on bsd |
| 19:29.10 | nox- | yep |
| 19:29.48 | nox- | and on bsd i need a ~/.screenrc with this too: termcapinfo xterm ks@:ke@:kl=\E[D:kd=\E[B:kr=\E[C:ku=\E[A |
| 19:29.59 | nox- | cause screen usets TERMCAP before it starts... |
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| 19:30.33 | marmoute | ... |
| 19:31.25 | nox- | (it passes its own TERMCAP to child processes, guess thats why) |
| 19:31.47 | slonopotamus | marmoute, that's how magic happens |
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| 19:32.40 | nox- | marmoute, bsd only needs `special treatment' bc it doesnt seem to handle ~/.terminfo |
| 19:33.40 | nox- | (ofc i _could_ have tic just install a global definition too but thats ugly and not everyone is root :) |
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| 19:34.07 | Stskeeps | evening rkirti |
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| 19:35.50 | nox- | oh s/usets/unsets/ |
| 19:35.52 | DocScrutinizer | HOOORAAAYY!!! >:-( |
| 19:36.06 | Stskeeps | passes DocScrutinizer a cake |
| 19:36.55 | DocScrutinizer | imported contacs from sim on old device, then swapped sim to new device, did same. Now today imported vcf contacts from old to new device - result: BUTLOADS of dups |
| 19:37.09 | nox- | eww |
| 19:37.49 | DocScrutinizer | friggin BS |
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| 19:40.19 | DocScrutinizer | now if that goddamn addressbook had a proper scripting interface, it'd be pretty simple to manage that mess. But alas I seem to have to go thru contacts GUI, contact by contact, compare, and then delete. CYA tomorrow... yuck |
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| 19:40.50 | Stskeeps | isn't there an api? |
| 19:40.50 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:41.02 | DocScrutinizer | fsckng C api, yes |
| 19:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | I could as well export all contacts to vcf, process on desktop with unix standards tools, and then delete the whole augias on N900 and import proper on clean |
| 19:43.04 | DocScrutinizer | USELESS Nokia, COMPLETELY USELESS! |
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| 19:44.03 | DocScrutinizer | congrats to differentiate |
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| 19:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | half assed approach to import/export every record of that friggin berkley db to vcf. BTW a task that'd be done in SQL by a one-liner. Obviously nobody cared to think about *why* anybody would need that - and *how* it's gonna be used in real life |
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| 19:47.24 | nox- | yeah you have to wonder... |
| 19:47.26 | nox- | :/ |
| 19:49.22 | DocScrutinizer | resembles an electrician who's told "place a light switch here next to the door please" and he's placing a switch there, but of course without any cable leading to it |
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| 19:50.31 | DocScrutinizer | wonders how much ignorance or hate must be there inside parts and between subgroups of maemo team |
| 19:50.43 | Stskeeps | are you done ranting? |
| 19:50.43 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:50.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes, definitely |
| 19:50.57 | DocScrutinizer | thanks for your patience |
| 19:51.06 | Stskeeps | normal people send bombs instead or burn company logos |
| 19:51.09 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 19:52.41 | luke-jr_ | really? |
| 19:52.51 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, there's an app. |
| 19:54.14 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: I'm short of C4 |
| 19:54.24 | DocScrutinizer | recently :-P |
| 19:54.56 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: name, URL ? |
| 19:55.05 | GAN900 | It's in Extras. |
| 19:55.30 | GAN900 | Don't recall the name, lost it after my proto died. |
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| 19:55.50 | DocScrutinizer | ok, that somewhat narrows the search params X-P |
| 19:56.36 | DocScrutinizer | nevertheless big thanks for letting me know |
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| 20:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | marco barisione - who else :-))) "Merge your duplicate contacts 0.1.3-0" |
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| 20:08.44 | h4xordood | heya :) |
| 20:09.14 | h4xordood | hey anyone install maemo global on n900 ? |
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| 20:09.46 | h4xordood | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:10.20 | h4xordood | when i had maemo india there was 27gb partition also which i dont see now |
| 20:13.19 | jacktheripper | is there a tool like 'cat' that can update the contents when the file changes ? |
| 20:14.00 | jacktheripper | that shows a 'live' view of the file I meant |
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| 20:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | barisione: you saved my day :-D Thanks a lot |
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| 20:17.33 | pupnik | ? |
| 20:17.40 | RST38h | jack: tail -f |
| 20:17.50 | RST38h | and hello pupnik |
| 20:18.34 | jacktheripper | RST38h: it only works for new lines added, I need to update old ones too |
| 20:18.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | jacktheripper: or get *real* less, and simply press F |
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| 20:19.34 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer51: can u answer my question o.O |
| 20:19.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | or - from cmdline - less +F myfiletocheck |
| 20:20.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | dunno, what IS your question? |
| 20:20.10 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer51: i installed maemo global on my device |
| 20:20.21 | h4xordood | and without booting flashed with vanilla |
| 20:20.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 20:20.28 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 20:20.33 | h4xordood | now my rootfs is 234 mb |
| 20:20.52 | h4xordood | when there was indian version i saw one partition with 27gb |
| 20:21.19 | h4xordood | but now its not ther |
| 20:21.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry you compltely lost me |
| 20:22.04 | h4xordood | k :( |
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| 20:22.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | the 27GB s /home/user/MyDocs |
| 20:22.55 | h4xordood | yes |
| 20:23.00 | DocScrutinizer51 | always been |
| 20:23.10 | h4xordood | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:23.15 | h4xordood | :( why so |
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| 20:24.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | to me it seems you failed on the 'don't boot' part. I strongly recommend to FIRST flash VANILLA, *then* flash COMBINED |
| 20:24.57 | h4xordood | ok |
| 20:25.25 | h4xordood | so first vanilla should be flashed? |
| 20:25.49 | zap | Anybody knows what the f*k happened with libsdl-ttf2.0? Older applications depend on libsdl-ttf2.0-0, and newer pygame lists it now as libsdl-ttf2.0... as a result, I have a total dependency mess now. |
| 20:26.20 | zap | (and yes, there are two different packages, one named libsdl-ttf2.0 and other libsdl-ttf2.0-0) |
| 20:26.31 | zap | (and of course they conflict) |
| 20:26.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | if you want to clean all your MyDocs then yes. Otherwise do NOT flash VANILLA at all (I guess its too late for you) |
| 20:28.14 | DocScrutinizer51 | h4xordood: it's suggested the other way round all over the place, nevertheless it's better to flash vanilla first, if you're goin to flash vanilla at all |
| 20:28.37 | h4xordood | ah okay i wont to make n900 new |
| 20:28.51 | h4xordood | so that means first vanilla and then combined |
| 20:29.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, I'm trying to flash and boot a self-compiled zImage that looks for the rootfs on microsd with 0xFFFF, and it doesn't seem to boot when I disconnect the usb cable, I've framebuffer console for debugging purposes and it doesn't show up anything and is in an endless reboot with the nokia image, but with the usb cable connected it boots |
| 20:29.10 | h4xordood | DocScrutinizer51: thnx :) |
| 20:29.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | yw |
| 20:30.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | just ommit the -R on all your flasher cmdlines |
| 20:30.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer51, ah? but I want the kernel permanant |
| 20:30.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | such as I'm outside and I power on the device |
| 20:30.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | without a computer |
| 20:30.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | but I'll try |
| 20:30.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | -D should be set to 0,1 or 2 ? |
| 20:30.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | GNUtoo|laptop: eh? |
| 20:31.17 | GNUtoo|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | I used that |
| 20:31.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | and the help says: |
| 20:31.39 | GNUtoo|laptop | <PROTECTED> |
| 20:31.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | which I didn't understood |
| 20:31.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe I'm wrong at -R for reboot, but I once ahain don't get a single word |
| 20:32.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 20:32.26 | GNUtoo|laptop | you mean? |
| 20:32.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm not talking bout 0xFFFF |
| 20:32.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | I don't get a single world? |
| 20:32.33 | MohammadAG | which device is this? |
| 20:32.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | or you don't |
| 20:32.35 | GNUtoo|laptop | ? |
| 20:32.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 20:32.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | n900 |
| 20:32.43 | MohammadAG | 0xFFFF isn't for the n900, some functions work though |
| 20:32.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah? |
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| 20:33.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | GNUtoo|laptop: btw that's #maemo |
| 20:34.13 | GNUtoo|laptop | where should I ask? I use maemo's kernel |
| 20:34.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | 2.6.28 with some patches |
| 20:34.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | we're talking bout a simple reflash of stock PR1.2 |
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| 20:34.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah you weren't talking to me |
| 20:35.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | sorry then |
| 20:35.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ask here, but make clear what's it all about |
| 20:35.23 | MohammadAG | use flasher-3.5 |
| 20:35.51 | GNUtoo|laptop | that's why I put a very long description |
| 20:36.37 | DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: interferred with h4xordood answer to flashing problem :-D |
| 20:36.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ouch sorry |
| 20:37.12 | GNUtoo|laptop | if he wants back his default kernel I know how |
| 20:37.40 | MohammadAG | apt-get --reinstall install kernel kernel-modules kernel-flasher |
| 20:38.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | that's if he can boot |
| 20:38.06 | GNUtoo|laptop | I know how if it doesn't boot anymore |
| 20:38.15 | MohammadAG | stock PR1.2 zImage for flasher-3.5 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage.bin |
| 20:39.16 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -f -R, everyone knows how to do it |
| 20:39.32 | MohammadAG | ~flashing |
| 20:39.32 | infobot | flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 20:39.34 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 20:39.37 | GNUtoo|laptop | I used that: |
| 20:39.45 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://www.shr-project.org/trac/wiki/N900Install#Uninstallation |
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| 20:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: minus "-R" |
| 20:40.38 | DocScrutinizer | "-R" is deprecated :-P |
| 20:40.58 | MohammadAG | it isn't, sed can deprecate it well :P |
| 20:41.01 | DocScrutinizer | if I'm right about -R == reboot |
| 20:41.04 | h4xordood | i used this command ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f |
| 20:41.16 | h4xordood | now wihtout booting |
| 20:41.41 | h4xordood | i have to use this > ./flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f ? |
| 20:41.49 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 20:42.16 | DocScrutinizer | and you'll probably want to remove battery, insert it again, and hold 'u' when you plug to USB |
| 20:43.15 | DocScrutinizer | as usually it won't do a second flashing without powercycling the device, though you can try to just fire that second command and see if it succeeds |
| 20:43.17 | javispedro | is -R deprecated now? oh. |
| 20:43.36 | javispedro | on the N8x0 it would really NOT reboot =), thus staying forever in NOLO... |
| 20:43.39 | yacc | Any HowTOs how to get more software on the N900? (The ovistore is a joke, ...) |
| 20:43.53 | GAN900 | Extras? |
| 20:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:44.02 | MohammadAG | javispedro, even when replacnig the battery |
| 20:44.02 | GAN900 | ~extras |
| 20:44.03 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, extras is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras |
| 20:44.06 | MohammadAG | ? |
| 20:44.07 | MohammadAG | replacing |
| 20:44.21 | javispedro | MohammadAG: ofc not, actually you could even send more flasher commands to it |
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| 20:44.42 | MohammadAG | grr, why did you N810 guys have all the fun |
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| 20:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | whistles the funeral march, silently |
| 20:48.12 | DocScrutinizer | RIP tmo :-P |
| 20:48.26 | MohammadAG | passes the beer |
| 20:48.31 | javispedro | bring out the champagne |
| 20:49.19 | nox- | heh and i was just wondering whether i should post the xterm stuff somewhere... |
| 20:49.22 | E0x | MohammadAG: why you say that ( the fun in n810 ) ? |
| 20:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | cheers on a better world to come :-D |
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| 20:50.30 | MohammadAG | or the #maemo apocalypse |
| 20:50.34 | MohammadAG | we need a backup channel |
| 20:50.51 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeek DUCK AND COVER |
| 20:51.15 | DocScrutinizer | stares at user counter |
| 20:51.34 | javispedro | what, no #overflow? |
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| 20:51.59 | DocScrutinizer | sure, #maemo has join-throttling :-D thanks for reminder |
| 20:53.05 | nox- | .oO(that reminds me of the wikipedia channels whenever that is down...) |
| 20:53.15 | nox- | :) |
| 20:54.01 | DocScrutinizer | hrhrhrrr It's dead, Jim |
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| 20:54.26 | DocScrutinizer | watching tmo lemmings jumping off the cliff in panic |
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| 20:56.07 | DocScrutinizer | for those who don't get what all this is about: remove that talk.maemo.org 127.0.0.1 line from your etc/hosts :-P |
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| 20:56.59 | pupnik | link DocScrutinizer |
| 20:57.08 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 20:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | touche' |
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| 20:58.42 | nox- | mailinglists still up? or should i just put it on a private page? |
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| 20:59.10 | javispedro | tmo is hosted on entirely different server |
| 20:59.54 | DocScrutinizer | http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/talk.maemo.org |
| 20:59.59 | nox- | ok but are the lists going the same death soon too? or was DocScrutinizer just joking? :) |
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| 21:01.17 | DocScrutinizer | I'm not joking |
| 21:01.22 | nox- | ok |
| 21:01.34 | DocScrutinizer | tmo is down, see URL above |
| 21:01.48 | nox- | ok but will it be up again? |
| 21:01.56 | DocScrutinizer | whoknows |
| 21:02.00 | nox- | mm |
| 21:02.30 | DocScrutinizer | *.maemo.org downtimes aren't really any new or exciting though |
| 21:02.40 | nox- | heh ok |
| 21:03.10 | nox- | `it's dead, jim' just sounded so... eternal :) |
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| 21:03.16 | yacc | Any recommendations for an ebook (epub) reader? |
| 21:03.17 | DocScrutinizer | hehehe |
| 21:03.47 | nox- | yacc, i know of fbreader and dorian |
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| 21:04.15 | javispedro | oooh pandaboard.org |
| 21:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | fbreader one of the 10 most frequently used nouns in this chan |
| 21:04.26 | javispedro | wants |
| 21:04.57 | DocScrutinizer | (just kidding, but anyway) |
| 21:05.23 | javispedro | Wonder if the final MSRP will be similar to that of the beagleboard |
| 21:05.47 | yacc | Wonder if running ntpd on a mobile is a good idea, ... |
| 21:06.03 | nox- | yeah i had to `fall back' to a python httpd hack + browser too, ebook conversion just didnt cut it |
| 21:06.23 | nox- | (for some html trees i have at least) |
| 21:06.37 | DocScrutinizer | ask RST38h about where to find the real statistics as it seems it's a fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail fail not to mention it here and have a laugh about it in #meego :-) |
| 21:07.05 | yacc | nox-, calibre seems quite capable when it comes to converting. |
| 21:07.12 | nox- | why ntpd when there is gps? or cant that be used for syncing the clock? |
| 21:07.17 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: what? fbreader? |
| 21:07.25 | ShadowJK | yacc: openntpd would be silly |
| 21:07.30 | DocScrutinizer | chan statistics |
| 21:07.33 | ShadowJK | and use lots of power on 3g |
| 21:07.52 | nox- | yacc, thats what i tried... :/ |
| 21:08.04 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: actually it's not such a brilliant idea |
| 21:08.07 | yacc | nox-, and what was the problem? |
| 21:08.26 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: ntpd? Yeah data usage is irrelevant, but battery, ... |
| 21:08.59 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: ntpd really isn't build for random connectivity loss |
| 21:09.29 | nox- | yacc, three probs i remember were thumbnail images w links to larger ones, fbreader knowing no tables and it being kinda slow too... |
| 21:09.37 | ShadowJK | I just use the network supplied time, it's "free" |
| 21:10.00 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: I always suggest to have a line like "netdate && hwclock --systohc" somewhere in ifup and syblings |
| 21:11.02 | nox- | is syncing the clock from gps too difficult? |
| 21:11.53 | javispedro | ntpd -q is also "usable", but really, on the n900 you even rdate is fine |
| 21:12.16 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: Gimme at least a couple of days to get used to doing stuff like that on my new mobile, I've been used to Android the last 18 months or so, where the userland is very un-Linux-ish to say the least. |
| 21:12.36 | yacc | ShadowJK, how to use the network provided time? |
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| 21:13.11 | javispedro | there's an option for that in clock settings |
| 21:13.23 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: s/netdate/ntpd -q/ |
| 21:14.09 | ShadowJK | it reset to off for me occasionally |
| 21:14.20 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: GPS needs connectivity for a decent TTFF. So where's the advantage over ntpdate alike approach? |
| 21:14.44 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: network as in GPS carrier? |
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| 21:14.57 | satmd | ntpd > ntpdate |
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| 21:15.16 | DocScrutinizer | [2010-09-30 23:13:23] <DocScrutinizer> yacc: s/netdate/ntpd -q/ |
| 21:15.19 | nox- | DocScrutinizer, well for ppl that pay per kb, or when there is no notwork |
| 21:15.38 | nox- | if you have wifi its ok ofc :) |
| 21:15.52 | DocScrutinizer | when there's no network, you'll have to wait 15min for first fix from GPS |
| 21:15.56 | satmd | ntpd doesn't make much traffic, and if you're concerned you can change the packet interval |
| 21:16.17 | yacc | nox-, the N900 is probably not the correct device for people that pay per KB. (Well philosophically I do pay per KB, but it's 4⬠per GB ;) ) |
| 21:16.26 | satmd | (default: start at 64 seconds, if time is stable, it'll go up to 1024 secs+) |
| 21:16.45 | javispedro | yacc: hey, all I get is 1.5 per 10MiB. Damn third world country (comms wise). |
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| 21:17.12 | DocScrutinizer | nox-: don't listen :-D Just use ntpd -q && hwclock --systohc in ifup somewhere |
| 21:17.26 | nox- | heh ok |
| 21:17.59 | yacc | javispedro, well, what shall I say, telecommunication wise the America is not that advanced, ... |
| 21:18.06 | javispedro | tmo is back. hide the beer! |
| 21:18.18 | DocScrutinizer | satmd: the real question though is what it does when connectivity is lost |
| 21:18.39 | satmd | it'll fall back to 64 secs iirc |
| 21:18.51 | satmd | unless you use the iburst/burst options, that is |
| 21:19.10 | nox- | also ntp is very susceptible to jitter which id suspect you get a lot on mobile notworks... |
| 21:19.18 | lindi- | i just got gps time in 20 seconds from cold start with freerunner in a bus. i repeated the experiment twice |
| 21:19.26 | DocScrutinizer | ntpd really isn't meant for devices with sporadic internet connectivity |
| 21:19.32 | nox- | exactly |
| 21:19.58 | DocScrutinizer | lindi-: we're not in #om here |
| 21:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | so TTFF of FR is largely irrelevant |
| 21:20.46 | lindi- | i thought you were talking about gps in general sorry |
| 21:21.03 | ShadowJK | jitter is absolutely horrible |
| 21:21.10 | ShadowJK | 10 secs or so :) |
| 21:21.27 | nox- | :P |
| 21:21.35 | nox- | useless for ntp |
| 21:21.39 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: GPS doesn't need a fix for the time |
| 21:21.48 | nox- | oooh... |
| 21:22.21 | luke-jr_ | GPS time is available from the second of the first satellite identified |
| 21:22.22 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: that's correct, but location lib seems doesn't offer any time from GPS until fix accquired |
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| 21:22.34 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: that's a shortcoming of liblocation then |
| 21:22.39 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 21:22.40 | luke-jr_ | use my code :P |
| 21:22.41 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 21:22.52 | nox- | you fixed it? :) |
| 21:22.59 | luke-jr_ | maybe have liblocation up just to trigger N900 GPS startup |
| 21:23.09 | luke-jr_ | nox-: no |
| 21:23.16 | luke-jr_ | but NMEA issues have no relevance to extracting a time |
| 21:23.25 | DocScrutinizer | also take my rant about liblocation with a grain of salt - not verified |
| 21:23.39 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: I agree with your observation |
| 21:23.54 | javispedro | it won't send reports until gps fix |
| 21:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | k :-D |
| 21:24.19 | yacc | So what's the normal way to get media on the device? Connect via USB and select MassMediaStorage? |
| 21:24.24 | `0660 | a time from one satellite is worthless. without gps fix you have no idea how long the signal has been flying around before it reached you :) |
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| 21:24.30 | pupnik | "Orange is the anti-angst! It's the least depressing color there is! No one can stay upset in the face of orange!" Comment on N8 colors.. |
| 21:24.35 | luke-jr_ | yacc: scp |
| 21:24.44 | nox- | yacc, thats probably the fastest if you talk transfer speed |
| 21:24.47 | luke-jr_ | `0660: never more than a few seconds I'm sure |
| 21:25.12 | ShadowJK | I get a time right away with location-test-ui, but dunno if thagt's system or gps time |
| 21:25.15 | yacc | `0660 let's say that it's probably exact enough for most people, in the 0.1s range I'd guess. |
| 21:25.21 | nox- | get >10 MB/s over umass and only 1.5 or so via wifi scp |
| 21:25.44 | luke-jr_ | nox-: what's the rush? |
| 21:25.54 | luke-jr_ | trackerd is going to kill you the faster you move data anyway |
| 21:25.56 | luke-jr_ | :P |
| 21:26.03 | nox- | haha yeah i guess... |
| 21:26.04 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: I'm quite sure that's system time |
| 21:26.33 | nox- | but at least umass was usueful getting the 10 G+ wikipedia dumps on there... |
| 21:26.46 | javispedro | ShadowJK: while doing my liblocation->garmin pvt bridge I found out that pre-gps fix reports (when you have cell enabled) did not have the "time is valid" bit set |
| 21:26.47 | luke-jr_ | Wikipedia is crap |
| 21:26.49 | luke-jr_ | ⺠|
| 21:27.01 | yacc | nox-, luke-jr: any docs about the paths to be used? I've already installed openssh (c+s), ... |
| 21:27.13 | ShadowJK | javispedro, oh I chose GNSS |
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| 21:27.24 | luke-jr_ | yacc: it's just a computer. copy files like you normally would. |
| 21:27.28 | luke-jr_ | scp file machineB: |
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| 21:27.42 | DocScrutinizer | luke-jr_: nox-: nope, trackerd won't kick in until ass rage mode finished |
| 21:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | umount ~MyDocs, you know :-D |
| 21:28.00 | nox- | yacc, ~/MyDocs/.music (iirc) |
| 21:28.26 | luke-jr_ | DocScrutinizer: no umount needed for scp |
| 21:28.36 | yacc | ~ being ~user? |
| 21:28.41 | DocScrutinizer | for scp yes |
| 21:28.48 | nox- | yep |
| 21:28.50 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
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| 21:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | it's a shell shortcut |
| 21:29.44 | DocScrutinizer | for $HOME |
| 21:30.15 | DocScrutinizer | which usually is /home/user/ on N900 |
| 21:30.42 | DocScrutinizer | if you're root you can use ~user/MyDocs |
| 21:30.57 | yacc | DocScrutinizer just wanted to know which username to use, ..., id in the Terminal suggested the very individual "user" ;) |
| 21:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | which means "user's $HOME" |
| 21:31.33 | satmd | thinks he remembers something about that being a feature not all busybox builds have enabled :p |
| 21:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 21:32.04 | DocScrutinizer | I guess I remember N900/maemo messybox has, though |
| 21:32.54 | nox- | wtf tmo register only has VB RegSecure instead of images... |
| 21:33.31 | yacc | Any way to see the current power consumation of the device? |
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| 21:35.05 | DocScrutinizer | yup, confirmed. N900 messybox knows ~user |
| 21:36.18 | nox- | ah it needs cookies... |
| 21:36.28 | GAN900 | I wish Ovi would stop asking me to have it sign in automatically. |
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| 21:39.14 | demute | How can I disable my n900 to do apt-get update automatically? |
| 21:39.37 | Appiah | umm |
| 21:39.43 | Appiah | did not know that could be enabled.. |
| 21:40.02 | javispedro | on my device, liblocation: with no gps fix, cellmo disabled, it will send an initial report with time valid bit unset |
| 21:40.27 | javispedro | when it gets a fix, it will report time |
| 21:40.52 | javispedro | when it _loses_ the fix, it sends a few reports with valid time bit set _but_ time field contains last fix time |
| 21:40.59 | demute | Appiah: well in a certain time interval a program called apt-worker is starting to run if I have internet connection... |
| 21:41.11 | Appiah | oh wait |
| 21:41.19 | javispedro | (much like NMEA's time of last fix field would do) |
| 21:41.19 | Appiah | apt-get update , I read apt-get upgrade |
| 21:41.24 | Appiah | nevermind me! |
| 21:41.34 | demute | :) |
| 21:41.50 | Appiah | I should go to sleep now... |
| 21:42.10 | javispedro | so: liblocation time field is unrealiable unless there's a fix. |
| 21:42.14 | demute | yeah, me too. Sleep -f ? |
| 21:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | demute: see wiki 'maemo customization' |
| 21:42.48 | demute | DocScrutinizer: thanks |
| 21:43.58 | MohammadAG | GAN900, disable the MicroB plugin |
| 21:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:44.58 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: you're visiting OVI via microB? I just can't believe it X-P |
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| 21:47.00 | demute | DocScrutinizer: it appears that I have followed that guide before and changed my update interval to 14 400 000 seconds, and since that rebooted and stuff, no change |
| 21:47.16 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 21:47.59 | DocScrutinizer | wrong number format? wrong syntax so cmd failed? invalid number (>maxint)? |
| 21:49.47 | DocScrutinizer | maybe start with 604800 - which happens to mean once per week? |
| 21:52.12 | yacc | Just out of curiosity, can the N900 handle a partitioned SD (one partition ext2, one vfat)? |
| 21:52.18 | DocScrutinizer | demute: also check your system time. Of course a huge jump may trigger an update (like when your hwclock says you're at 1970-01-01, on boot, and later the correct date gets set) |
| 21:52.47 | DocScrutinizer | yacc: yes |
| 21:52.55 | satmd | hm |
| 21:52.59 | satmd | that happens? |
| 21:53.12 | DocScrutinizer | VFAT even still is automounted - at least when it's the first partition |
| 21:53.30 | demute | DocScrutinizer: on that page it says that it must be lower than 2^31, but of course, they could mean 2^15 ;) I can give it a try... |
| 21:54.02 | satmd | 2^31 would mean it is a signed int |
| 21:54.07 | satmd | that would not make much sense |
| 21:54.11 | satmd | unless -1 means disabled |
| 21:54.14 | satmd | does it? |
| 21:54.51 | javispedro | it's gconf. |
| 21:55.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | waves - boozetime |
| 21:55.11 | yacc | DocScrutinizer: lol, okay, the N900 is a tiny ARM based Linux box. So I guess it can handle almost anything that is within it's hardware resources as long as I'm willing to type commandlines on tiny keyboard ;) |
| 21:55.27 | satmd | LOVES that line :D |
| 21:55.46 | luke-jr_ | yacc: not quite |
| 21:55.53 | yacc | luke-jr? |
| 21:56.11 | luke-jr_ | yacc: various hardwares require blobs and have confidential specs |
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| 21:56.18 | luke-jr_ | so you can't use those to their full potential |
| 21:56.36 | satmd | true, but isn't that exactly "within hardware ressources"? |
| 21:56.39 | luke-jr_ | no |
| 21:56.43 | satmd | mhm |
| 21:56.52 | yacc | luke-jr_, Let me guess, no host-mode WLAN, so the WLAN tethering is as usually ad-hoc mode only? |
| 21:57.06 | luke-jr_ | ⦠|
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| 21:57.16 | javispedro | no breaking gsm towers! |
| 21:57.21 | luke-jr_ | yacc: that's not one of the limittions |
| 21:57.25 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: exactly :/ |
| 21:57.29 | javispedro | =) |
| 21:57.56 | luke-jr_ | you also can't force 3G or 2G only to avoid an interruption in a VoIP call |
| 21:57.58 | yacc | satmd, kind of, philosophically sometimes it's hard to draw the line where the hardware/software line is. |
| 21:58.08 | luke-jr_ | thoguh the hardware is in theory capable of it |
| 21:58.09 | delt | this is weird, i can't ping the tablet even though it's connected to the network, and internet access works fine... |
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| 21:58.23 | yacc | luke-jr: so the N900 can play a WLAN hostap? Cool. |
| 21:58.25 | luke-jr_ | delt: N900 by default doesn't reply to ICMP ECHO |
| 21:58.33 | ShadowJK | you can forse wcdma/hsdpa |
| 21:58.34 | delt | n810 here.... same? |
| 21:58.35 | dsg | delt: It works if you start a ping on the tablet first. It's some powersaving I think |
| 21:58.44 | luke-jr_ | yacc: the hardware can. the specs are available. you just need to write the driver for it |
| 21:58.44 | ShadowJK | but you cant force just wcdma :/ |
| 21:58.47 | ShadowJK | or just hsdpa |
| 21:58.51 | luke-jr_ | delt: not sure |
| 21:59.12 | luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: exactly |
| 21:59.14 | nox- | yacc, mobilehotspot |
| 21:59.14 | javispedro | luke-jr_: huh? you mean pings on wan interface? it does reply icmp echo on wlan interface here? |
| 21:59.36 | luke-jr_ | dunno |
| 21:59.44 | luke-jr_ | just recall reading that in an if-up script |
| 21:59.59 | javispedro | might be wan interface, where it usually makes no sense either way |
| 22:00.04 | javispedro | they're heavily natted usually |
| 22:00.23 | ShadowJK | has un-natted :D |
| 22:00.30 | delt | ok, after running sudo ping <here> from the tablet, now it responds to ping =) |
| 22:00.31 | ds3 | gnats!!!!!!! |
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| 22:00.46 | ShadowJK | my n900 starts getting hot when someone tries bruteforce ssh |
| 22:00.57 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 22:00.58 | delt | dsg: does this last until reboot, reconnect, specific delay, ...? |
| 22:00.59 | javispedro | delt: so, you just saw Wifi Power Saving in action |
| 22:01.10 | dsg | delt: Until the powersaving kicks in again |
| 22:01.17 | delt | javispedro: it would seem so =) |
| 22:01.17 | luke-jr_ | someone needs to specify a standard for firewall control |
| 22:01.18 | delt | ah got it |
| 22:01.27 | javispedro | delt: your router is broken |
| 22:01.32 | javispedro | er.. |
| 22:01.34 | javispedro | s/router/ap/ |
| 22:01.41 | luke-jr_ | so when you set port 22 to DROP, it uploads that rule to the first router capable⦠|
| 22:01.57 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: nah, PSM is broken ⺠|
| 22:02.21 | javispedro | there's at least a set (small or not, that I don't know) of APs where it works |
| 22:02.47 | dsg | javispedro: Hm, are you sure those APs don't just disallow devices to enter powersaving somehow? |
| 22:03.24 | BCMM | ShadowJK: can't you configure it to start instantly dropping all connections after the first N from the same IP? |
| 22:03.26 | javispedro | dsg: possibly both the router and the n900 implementation are buggy. shit happens sometime... |
| 22:03.30 | javispedro | *sometimes |
| 22:03.39 | BCMM | i know the wifi would still use power, but at least it wouldn't load the cpu much |
| 22:03.52 | ShadowJK | has two wifi routers where it works |
| 22:03.53 | BCMM | and it might even put off an especially clever bot |
| 22:04.05 | ShadowJK | limksys wrt54gl, and Level1 Wap-006 |
| 22:04.06 | delt | on a related note, in "connectivity settings" i set the "wlan transmission power" to 10mW instead of 100 (default) .... seems to work fine, any pros/cons/caveats/etc....? |
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| 22:04.16 | javispedro | has one D-Link router where PSM works flawlessly, d-link 2640 |
| 22:04.43 | MohammadAG | grr |
| 22:04.43 | BCMM | can 802.11 not automatically decrease power like GSM does? |
| 22:04.54 | MohammadAG | QFileSystemWatcher doesn't detect changes done in /proc |
| 22:05.16 | delt | javispedro: ironic coincidence, i just stepped on it and it broke in half, right before you said that :3 |
| 22:05.23 | ShadowJK | BCMM, radiated power is a very small part of total consumption |
| 22:05.33 | ShadowJK | even receive-only uses quite alot :) |
| 22:05.40 | javispedro | delt: the what? :P |
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| 22:06.12 | delt | javispedro: my rooter, or however you spell it =) |
| 22:06.15 | BCMM | ShadowJK: hmm, so why does delt have an option to decrease transmission power? different national regulations? |
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| 22:06.37 | ShadowJK | yes, exactly |
| 22:06.43 | delt | salut cyberfille, ca va? |
| 22:06.45 | luke-jr_ | PSM isn't about decreasing power AFAIK |
| 22:06.50 | ShadowJK | you can only use 10mW outdoors in france iirc |
| 22:06.57 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, correct |
| 22:07.00 | luke-jr_ | isn't it about turning the radio off? |
| 22:07.02 | javispedro | yep |
| 22:07.16 | luke-jr_ | which is inherently going to cause delays |
| 22:07.20 | delt | ShadowJK: or you get arrested? (: |
| 22:07.41 | javispedro | also, yep. |
| 22:07.41 | BCMM | yeah, that sound easily enforceable |
| 22:08.11 | ShadowJK | With a proper wifi ap, the delay is going to be approximately that of beacon interval |
| 22:08.16 | ShadowJK | or 50ms :) |
| 22:08.19 | javispedro | a proper AP will even allow you to configure it |
| 22:08.19 | delt | PSM.... phase shift modulation? |
| 22:08.49 | ShadowJK | power save mode |
| 22:09.02 | delt | oh heh |
| 22:09.07 | satmd | commonly known as PM |
| 22:09.12 | ShadowJK | yeah, my cheap 20⬠chinese ap let's me configure it :) |
| 22:09.13 | satmd | says good night |
| 22:09.24 | javispedro | heh =) |
| 22:09.40 | delt | bonne nuit satmd |
| 22:10.27 | luke-jr_ | ShadowJK: couldn't you save even more power by making it once a second? ;) |
| 22:10.38 | ShadowJK | sure |
| 22:10.49 | javispedro | I use one second |
| 22:10.59 | javispedro | actually half second iirc |
| 22:11.16 | javispedro | makes ssh unusable =) |
| 22:11.16 | delt | another weird thing, on the tablet i tar'd up everything on the / that wasn't other filesystems (du -sc told me around 240mb) and i untar it here, gives me 400mb of stuff |
| 22:11.32 | javispedro | ssh _to_ the n900, that is. |
| 22:11.35 | ShadowJK | I use 50ms because my symbian cellphones spend so little time scanning each channel that they never found aps if beacon interval was high |
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| 22:11.53 | ShadowJK | delt: did you accidentally include /proc? |
| 22:12.14 | javispedro | rootfs is compressed |
| 22:12.47 | demute | how come ps -A shows so many duplicates? e.g. 2 x camera-ui, 2 x hildon-home, etc |
| 22:13.09 | javispedro | wait, du calcs real size =) |
| 22:13.22 | jarkkom | each app has 2 threads running |
| 22:13.29 | delt | isnt there a good ol telnet server for maemo? |
| 22:13.44 | javispedro | delt: no, but you can easily port one. |
| 22:13.57 | javispedro | s/port/repackage mostly |
| 22:14.00 | delt | ShadowJK: nope, excluded everything that was mentioned in "mount" |
| 22:14.09 | delt | well, by the command "mount" |
| 22:14.33 | ShadowJK | real size = apparent size? |
| 22:14.40 | ShadowJK | or size on disk? |
| 22:14.49 | javispedro | unix doesn't know about the latter |
| 22:14.55 | javispedro | (theoretically... and afaik) |
| 22:14.56 | delt | oh, i installed bash from the extras repo, removed the sh -> busybox symlink and made a sh -> bash one ....anything wrong with doing that? |
| 22:15.12 | luke-jr_ | delt: nothing weird about that |
| 22:15.29 | javispedro | luke-jr_: it's no longer insta-brick? |
| 22:15.30 | delt | thats the way it is on most unix systems anyway |
| 22:15.55 | luke-jr_ | [17:11:16] <delt> another weird thing, on the tablet i tar'd up everything on the / that wasn't other filesystems (du -sc told me around 240mb) and i untar it here, gives me 400mb of stuff |
| 22:16.11 | ShadowJK | I would also have guessed reboot-loop replacing busybox sh with bash |
| 22:16.31 | yacc | Received disconnect from 10.0.0.90: 2: Too many authentication failures for root <= what do I do to allow root logins again? |
| 22:16.56 | luke-jr_ | javispedro: ? |
| 22:17.19 | javispedro | luke-jr_: past experiencies on stock maemo while doing that usually result in reboot loops |
| 22:17.26 | luke-jr_ | doing what? |
| 22:17.35 | javispedro | /bin/sh -> bash |
| 22:17.55 | luke-jr_ | I wasn't talking about that |
| 22:18.24 | javispedro | ah. |
| 22:18.27 | luke-jr_ | I was talking about how it's pretty normal for du to show different size-on-disk between different filesystems |
| 22:18.52 | delt | tar'ed up from jffs, untar'ed on ext3 here |
| 22:18.56 | demute | how do I change the number of desktops? I only want one, everything is fullscreen anyway. |
| 22:18.58 | luke-jr_ | exactly |
| 22:19.00 | javispedro | ah, so du reports compressed size |
| 22:19.19 | luke-jr_ | du reports how much space on the disk it uses |
| 22:19.30 | luke-jr_ | so for extN, minimum 1 block |
| 22:20.09 | delt | du "disk usage" normally in terms of blocks, so yeah it is usually more than the cumulative file sizes |
| 22:20.38 | javispedro | delt: while we're at it, backup your n900 or undo the sh -> bash symlink if you plan to keep on using maemo. |
| 22:21.04 | delt | n810 .... and why link it back to busybox? |
| 22:21.11 | luke-jr_ | can't think of any reason one would want /bin/sh -> bash on N900 anyhow |
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| 22:21.22 | luke-jr_ | delt: because all Maemo's boot scripts assume it's busybox |
| 22:21.25 | luke-jr_ | and don't work in BASH |
| 22:21.46 | delt | ohhhh... and busybox's "shell" mode is ash, right..... :/ |
| 22:22.07 | demute | zsh should be in the repo |
| 22:22.16 | MohammadAG | how do I suppress output from something? |
| 22:22.45 | delt | which is 99% backward-compatible, but a few weirdnesses might happen, and if they do they will in the WORST possible spot |
| 22:22.50 | delt | good point, thanks |
| 22:23.44 | delt | however i did reboot the tablet after, and nothing has exploded (yet) |
| 22:23.56 | nox- | aah theres a ticket for the enter key bug... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009 |
| 22:23.56 | povbot` | Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 22:24.23 | nox- | i guess the deb in there is for 1.1 tho? |
| 22:24.34 | delt | ok, changing users shells in /etc/passwd instead of the symlink thing... |
| 22:24.57 | delt | or didn't it mention some "bash-setup" thing in the app. manager? |
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| 22:25.47 | MohammadAG | delt, doesn't work |
| 22:26.40 | delt | MohammadAG: the script thingy that comes with bash? |
| 22:27.35 | delt | i'd figure all it does is change the shell at the end of your account's line in /etc/passwd...? |
| 22:28.04 | javispedro | I wouldn't do that even... |
| 22:28.44 | ShadowJK | I'd type bash manually :-) |
| 22:28.53 | delt | uh why not?? |
| 22:29.12 | delt | chsh is there, unless they forgot to remove it from debian...? |
| 22:29.22 | javispedro | well, half of maemo runs as root. the other half runs as user. enuff said. |
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| 22:29.53 | javispedro | but, you're free to try of course =) |
| 22:30.23 | delt | which makes using a shell i know better, a better idea, right? |
| 22:30.32 | delt | or am i missing something :? |
| 22:30.35 | MohammadAG | just have a backup close by :P |
| 22:30.35 | MohammadAG | and flasher-3.5 |
| 22:30.43 | javispedro | ^^ :) |
| 22:30.47 | luke-jr_ | delt: Maemo isn't based on Debian really. |
| 22:30.52 | luke-jr_ | it just uses its package manager |
| 22:31.00 | luke-jr_ | or rather, it uses dpkg, the core package manager |
| 22:31.05 | tripzero | ur mom is based on debian |
| 22:31.05 | MohammadAG | I wouldn't touch anything in /usr really |
| 22:31.08 | luke-jr_ | it doesn't use aptitude, Debian's real pkg mgr even |
| 22:31.16 | MohammadAG | I edited some libs in /usr/lib, now I can't use my vkb |
| 22:31.18 | delt | tripzero: YOUR FACE is based on debian |
| 22:31.28 | MohammadAG | how mature |
| 22:31.29 | tripzero | my face is based on ubuntu |
| 22:31.37 | tripzero | s/my/your/ |
| 22:31.46 | luke-jr_ | delt: basically, there's *no chance* anything was "forgot to remove from Debian" |
| 22:32.03 | luke-jr_ | tripzero: you had that right the first time |
| 22:32.17 | tripzero | luke-jr, both are correct |
| 22:32.18 | delt | not even /usr/doc/README-debian.txt? |
| 22:32.19 | delt | jk |
| 22:32.31 | tripzero | luke-jr, did they just apt-build debian packages? |
| 22:32.39 | tripzero | against their own toolchain? |
| 22:32.42 | delt | uh that would have been debian-x.yz-release-notes.txt |
| 22:32.54 | luke-jr_ | tripzero: more or less |
| 22:33.31 | tripzero | well... that's essentially what ubuntu does... and they claim they are based on debian |
| 22:33.37 | javispedro | no |
| 22:33.40 | javispedro | ubuntu tries to be in sync with debian |
| 22:33.44 | javispedro | maemo usually doesn't |
| 22:33.44 | luke-jr_ | I mean, it's *kindof* based on Debian, but not to the extent that it's remotely Debian-compatible |
| 22:33.47 | luke-jr_ | in any way |
| 22:33.52 | MohammadAG | delt, /usr/share/docs don't exist |
| 22:34.02 | MohammadAG | docpurge well.. purges them :P |
| 22:34.05 | tripzero | javispedro, they sync every 6 months, but they really just pull debian packages and rebuild them |
| 22:34.18 | tripzero | adding their own patches were applicaable |
| 22:34.19 | javispedro | tripzero: well, as I was saying, that's more than what maemo does =) |
| 22:34.26 | tripzero | :nod: |
| 22:34.53 | javispedro | ofc on the other side it is based on an old release of debian |
| 22:35.19 | javispedro | it forked from it. |
| 22:35.23 | MohammadAG | close to etch |
| 22:35.24 | luke-jr_ | on the core of an old release |
| 22:35.30 | luke-jr_ | only what they picked out for Maemo really |
| 22:35.33 | javispedro | MohammadAG: I'd say older. |
| 22:35.44 | tripzero | i bet ubuntu has all the infrastructure built out to fork debian every 6 months. That'd be handy in the open source world... |
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| 22:40.12 | MohammadAG | well |
| 22:40.24 | MohammadAG | I'm forking DeeGo when MeeGo comes out :P |
| 22:40.33 | luke-jr_ | glhf |
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| 22:40.50 | javispedro | MohammadAG: YouGoFirst |
| 22:40.58 | javispedro | lame joke... |
| 22:41.23 | MohammadAG | lol |
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| 22:42.00 | delt | jffs doesnt have builtin compression? |
| 22:42.09 | javispedro | is this n8x0 or n900? |
| 22:42.23 | MohammadAG | the N900 doesn't use jffs2 |
| 22:42.29 | javispedro | I know. |
| 22:42.32 | delt | n810 |
| 22:42.46 | MohammadAG | javispedro, I know you do :P |
| 22:42.52 | MohammadAG | that wasn't @ you |
| 22:43.14 | delt | ok, he knows that you know that he knows but he thought i didn't know. |
| 22:43.16 | delt | there |
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| 22:43.49 | MohammadAG | I knew it! |
| 22:44.00 | javispedro | but I had a slight advantage there. I knew I was trying to remember whether delt told me a few lines before he had a n810. |
| 22:44.22 | MohammadAG | k, you win |
| 22:44.26 | javispedro | and instead of backscrolling, I just wasted more bandwidth and a bit of everybody's time. Like I'm doing now! |
| 22:44.29 | MohammadAG | gives javispedro |
| 22:44.33 | javispedro | goes do some real work |
| 22:44.37 | MohammadAG | fail |
| 22:44.41 | MohammadAG | gives javispedro a trillion trolls |
| 22:44.46 | delt | uses the /me command for absolutely no reason |
| 22:45.13 | MohammadAG | uses the /mkick command to kick everyone in the channel |
| 22:45.35 | delt | javispedro: you know in the 12th century you could have been tortured to death for wasting people's internet bandwidth |
| 22:47.24 | yacc | delt, well, having the special privilege to have been in the Top-3 bandwidth users at my ISP in the summer months, ... |
| 22:47.59 | yacc | delt, I guess in the 12th century they would have me revived at least a dozen times so they could enjoy torturing me more often ;) |
| 22:48.00 | delt | s/tortured to death/decapitated, executed, and then slowly tortured to death/ |
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| 22:48.41 | yacc | delt, I mean I've got a 100mbit connection, and these guys get irritated if I just use about 10mbit on average, ... |
| 22:49.12 | delt | you and your whole village. which isn't good if you're living in a city like Tokyo or New York. |
| 22:52.16 | pupnik | a laptop screen is nicer than a n900 screen |
| 22:52.26 | delt | weird, now du -sc (all that stuff on / ) FROM THE TABLET is telling me 348 megs |
| 22:52.44 | yacc | delt, well, I'm paying a premium to have the 100mbit connection, I could go with a 16mbit connection for way less, ... |
| 22:52.53 | delt | on a 256mb jffs partition. yeah. |
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| 22:56.23 | delt | just /usr is 287 megs according to du -s and there are 22 megs left on that 254.?? meg partition. |
| 22:56.53 | ShadowJK | sim card issue, part IV.. tried a newer sim card. it worked last week in E75. No go at all in my n900 :/ |
| 22:56.54 | delt | what puzzles me is thath http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JFFS doesn't contain a single word that starts with "compres" |
| 22:57.09 | ShadowJK | sighs thinking of 2 week nokia repair turnaround, bestg case |
| 22:57.28 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, broken kernel modules? |
| 22:57.42 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: was it you that had to prise the sim contacts up with tweezers? |
| 22:58.16 | ShadowJK | yeah that helped a bit with this card |
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| 22:58.32 | ShadowJK | dont tell nokia care I did that |
| 22:58.36 | ShadowJK | :) |
| 22:58.48 | jpinx-eeepc | pm's Nokia ;) |
| 22:59.13 | ShadowJK | Yeah, good luck, they aren't exactly easy to communicate with :) |
| 22:59.21 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: did you try cleaning the sim contacts with a contact cleaner? |
| 22:59.30 | ShadowJK | isopropanol? |
| 22:59.42 | ShadowJK | (running alcohol i guess?) |
| 22:59.55 | jpinx-eeepc | no - that leaves residues |
| 23:00.13 | jpinx-eeepc | there is proper cleaning solution for very small contacts |
| 23:00.14 | delt | Application packages missing: kernel-diablo-modules-extra <--- how would one go about finding and installing this package? |
| 23:00.31 | jpinx-eeepc | delt: apt-cache search.... |
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| 23:01.57 | yacc | Anyone got an idea where I need to stuff my epubs for dorian? |
| 23:02.57 | delt | in a girl's fa...oh *E*pubs sorry!! |
| 23:02.59 | ShadowJK | jpinx-eeepc, funny that, I use isopropanol cleaning optical fibres before splicing specifically because it doesn't leave residue |
| 23:03.23 | delt | ok bad one =3 |
| 23:04.04 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: I was told that it evaporates too quickly and leaves residues |
| 23:04.16 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: but go with what you know ;) |
| 23:04.47 | ShadowJK | wonders what contact cleaner would be called in .fi... |
| 23:05.18 | MohammadAG | jpinx-eeepc, never leaves residue here |
| 23:05.26 | MohammadAG | I used it when I fixed my PS3 |
| 23:05.41 | ShadowJK | oh, I put a piece of paper between battery and sim holder. Now it didn't disconnect on same test that disconnected 3/4 tries: riding pushbike from one end of hall to other |
| 23:08.26 | delt | oh, the nfs modules aren't included in maemo-diablo either, right? :( |
| 23:09.16 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, my N900 always needs a paper under the sim |
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| 23:12.48 | nox- | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6009#c27 |
| 23:12.49 | povbot` | Bug 6009: "Enter" key sends wrong keycode to console applications |
| 23:14.22 | delt | heh apt-get update tells me some PGP or GPG error "You might want to run apt-get update to correct these problems" |
| 23:15.23 | MohammadAG | GPG |
| 23:15.28 | MohammadAG | ignore it |
| 23:15.37 | ShadowJK | oh :) |
| 23:15.37 | ShadowJK | I was told ethanol comes mixed with denaturizing agents and leaves residues |
| 23:15.37 | ShadowJK | but isopropanol can be had clean |
| 23:16.25 | delt | blah blah couldnt be verified because public key is not available: NO_PUBKEY [gibberish} |
| 23:17.15 | ds3 | ShadowJK: Everclear :D |
| 23:17.30 | rhodric | Yeah, I always have loved that error Delt (about running apt-get update to fix it). They are having errors with the extras repository at the moment |
| 23:17.45 | delt | oh, saw E: earlier because the app. manager was still running.... closed it, now these are only W: (warnings) |
| 23:17.48 | delt | so it did suckseed |
| 23:18.56 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, err, you mean isopropyl right? |
| 23:20.12 | delt | *sigh* E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned errcode (2) |
| 23:20.30 | delt | (trying to run apt-get install kernel-diablo-modules-extra portmap nfs-common) |
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| 23:21.53 | delt | clochette: c'était toi "cybergirl" ya env. une demi-heure de ça? |
| 23:24.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | cleaning contacts is best done with rough unvarnished paper. Liquids likeethanol or propanol or methanol never remove oxids and may destroy plasic and glued joints |
| 23:24.40 | ShadowJK | has access to tons of paper |
| 23:24.43 | ShadowJK | literally |
| 23:25.13 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG, probably, seeing as that's where wikipedia redirects me |
| 23:25.43 | ShadowJK | maybe I need two pieces of paper under battery :D |
| 23:25.53 | ShadowJK | the one piece did improbe things I think |
| 23:26.14 | delt | okie, now my /proc/filesystems should include "nfs" right? |
| 23:26.36 | delt | yay 1 point for me |
| 23:31.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | meh, disconnect |
| 23:31.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | so you probably know how to call that 300g/m^2 unvarnished carton |
| 23:31.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | I usually call it 'natural paper business card' |
| 23:33.14 | yacc | Just realized, could it be that the limiting factor of putting data onto the N900 is not my WLAN connection, instead the builtin MMC is limiting it speed-wise? |
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| 23:33.55 | nox- | yacc, as i said i get > 10 MB/s via umass |
| 23:34.10 | yacc | USB mass storage? |
| 23:34.14 | yacc | That sounds nice. |
| 23:34.15 | nox- | yeah |
| 23:34.16 | yacc | hmmm. |
| 23:34.29 | nox- | mtools |
| 23:34.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | eMMC over mass storage and USB is 11MB/s |
| 23:35.26 | DocScrutinizer51 | avrg for *writing* 13GB |
| 23:35.43 | raster | doc! |
| 23:35.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster! :-D |
| 23:36.09 | raster | yay for mmc |
| 23:36.22 | raster | is on a mission to kill nand |
| 23:36.27 | raster | almost there |
| 23:36.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | cool :-> |
| 23:36.43 | raster | i seem to have everyone on side by now |
| 23:36.50 | raster | as i found a new use for the existing nand |
| 23:36.58 | raster | that massively increases system reliability |
| 23:37.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | ?? |
| 23:37.08 | jpinx-eeepc | ShadowJK: I was going to suggest padding up the sim card - but I got d/c'd :( |
| 23:37.17 | raster | and gets rid of our every day mtd based fs's |
| 23:37.21 | raster | and all their crud |
| 23:37.29 | raster | and it actually makes peolpe happy |
| 23:37.37 | raster | as they no longer feel they have wasted their nand |
| 23:37.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | coooool |
| 23:37.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | loves happiness |
| 23:37.50 | raster | and the bonus is that its making things much more unbrickable :) |
| 23:38.04 | raster | lets hope that the telcos/production agree |
| 23:38.05 | raster | :) |
| 23:38.34 | raster | i'm also on a mission to kill of UMS |
| 23:38.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: how's life? |
| 23:38.46 | raster | no more bloody fat fs's being mounted and unmounted |
| 23:38.55 | raster | and exposed to host devices |
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| 23:39.05 | raster | screw that ugly mess |
| 23:39.07 | raster | it has to go |
| 23:39.09 | raster | HAS to |
| 23:39.25 | raster | got most of the way to killing that off too |
| 23:39.28 | raster | life - busy |
| 23:39.32 | raster | dont get enough sleep |
| 23:39.35 | nox- | hm i havent treid copying via usb notwork, maybe that also is faster than wifi... |
| 23:39.41 | raster | killed off another bug just now that i was totally baffled by |
| 23:39.42 | nox- | tried |
| 23:39.43 | raster | now i grok it |
| 23:39.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | good :-D |
| 23:39.48 | raster | and i'm feeling good |
| 23:39.51 | nox- | :) |
| 23:40.03 | raster | so i'm doing my little self-motivation battle cries :) |
| 23:40.09 | raster | die ums die! |
| 23:40.12 | raster | die nand die! |
| 23:40.13 | raster | :) |
| 23:40.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | monster agnets for fun (had my first MRT today) |
| 23:41.06 | DocScrutinizer51 | magnets* |
| 23:41.13 | yacc | What do I do when the N900 complains that it cannot do mass storage because it's already in use? |
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| 23:41.40 | nox- | stop the process(es) that use it |
| 23:44.12 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: also I carry my very own 0.3 mm^3 of atomic waste with m now, glolite tritium keyring - it's fun for knowing it'll shine on my grave eventually |
| 23:44.29 | raster | hahahahaha |
| 23:44.39 | raster | atomic-doc! |
| 23:44.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | :-D |
| 23:44.57 | nox- | haha |
| 23:45.06 | raster | nostop procs using the fat fs when u want to unmount to export to usb host? |
| 23:45.39 | DocScrutinizer51 | fuser ftw |
| 23:45.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | lsof even |
| 23:45.48 | raster | thats just wrong |
| 23:45.52 | raster | u CAN do it |
| 23:45.55 | raster | but its wrong |
| 23:46.08 | raster | its highly unsociable to go killing procs off just because they have a file open on an fs |
| 23:46.20 | raster | scenario |
| 23:46.26 | raster | i have my phoe - playing music |
| 23:46.31 | raster | my headphones plugged in |
| 23:46.38 | raster | i arrive home or at work |
| 23:46.45 | raster | plug phone into pc to charge + whatever |
| 23:46.51 | raster | i dont take my headphones out |
| 23:46.54 | raster | i just keep listening |
| 23:47.05 | raster | i want to add soem more music files to my phone while doing this |
| 23:47.13 | raster | so i mount it and copy files on |
| 23:47.15 | nox- | yeah then umass is not for you |
| 23:47.27 | raster | why should my music be killed off just because i want to do this? |
| 23:47.29 | raster | thats just bad |
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| 23:47.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | raster: concept of emulating a block device on top of a FS driver has been discussed |
| 23:47.45 | raster | u can do it all without mass storage |
| 23:47.47 | raster | and fat |
| 23:47.58 | raster | u can keep concurrent access |
| 23:47.59 | SpeedEvil | raster: yeah - I thought of that ages ago |
| 23:48.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sftp ftw |
| 23:48.08 | SpeedEvil | raster: emulation of a virtual vfat fs |
| 23:48.15 | SpeedEvil | raster: generated on plug |
| 23:48.16 | raster | SpeedEvil: been done. look at qmeu |
| 23:48.17 | raster | :) |
| 23:48.26 | nox- | heh i was just about to say... |
| 23:48.38 | SpeedEvil | It's messy i you want to do that as you need to handle locking, or versioning |
| 23:48.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | goahead |
| 23:48.42 | raster | u can only do it read-only |
| 23:48.45 | raster | "saafely) |
| 23:48.52 | raster | but thats all u need |
| 23:48.59 | raster | u only need ums "emulation" for legacy stuff |
| 23:49.03 | raster | like plugging device into printer |
| 23:49.05 | raster | or car steror |
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| 23:49.15 | raster | where it wants to access the audio files on the device to play them |
| 23:49.26 | raster | all u need is RO then anyway |
| 23:49.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | give it ro |
| 23:49.45 | raster | for RW access - you do it all via usbnet + samba |
| 23:49.46 | raster | done |
| 23:49.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | known concept |
| 23:49.50 | raster | concurrent access |
| 23:49.52 | raster | safe |
| 23:50.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | nobody implemented it |
| 23:50.22 | raster | and u dont have the primitive fat fs to worry about on the device side |
| 23:50.32 | raster | ie u can keep proper user id's, permissions, symlinks etc. etc. |
| 23:50.40 | raster | and in fact u can use any fs u like |
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| 23:50.51 | raster | whatever works for your situation |
| 23:50.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | smb is the future |
| 23:51.11 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: my aim is to be able to plug the usb into a windows box, use portaputty to ssh in to the box and do my work there. I am highly mobile but can use internet cafes for the big screen/keyboard |
| 23:51.20 | raster | the trick is in making windows work out of the box with it |
| 23:51.21 | raster | :) |
| 23:51.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | smb! |
| 23:51.48 | raster | ie the regular windows user can just plug and play like they do with ums |
| 23:51.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | samba |
| 23:52.00 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: not secure! |
| 23:52.04 | raster | as windows wont set up the usbnet right out of the box |
| 23:52.05 | raster | :) |
| 23:52.18 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: not secure? |
| 23:52.22 | SpeedEvil | raster: did you make a suggestion when I relogged? |
| 23:52.43 | raster | SpeedEvil: not to you specifically :) |
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| 23:53.00 | raster | * SpeedEvil has quit (Quit: Leaving.) |
| 23:53.00 | raster | <raster> u only need ums "emulation" for legacy stuff |
| 23:53.00 | raster | <raster> like plugging device into printer |
| 23:53.00 | raster | <raster> or car steror |
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| 23:53.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | he's slapping our heads with UMB - whatever that is |
| 23:53.05 | raster | thats all u missed |
| 23:53.30 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: ssh encryption over usb to a windows box |
| 23:53.35 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: we're talking smb over usbnet (ie network usb device on your usb cable) |
| 23:53.41 | raster | its a USB CABLE |
| 23:53.50 | SpeedEvil | raster: Ah - yeah - I've worked all this out ages ago |
| 23:53.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | alas he left qagain |
| 23:53.52 | raster | point to point |
| 23:53.53 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: it's an INTERNET CASFE |
| 23:54.01 | jpinx-eeepc | Ooops |
| 23:54.02 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's all damn simple if you drop the requirement for vfat. |
| 23:54.08 | raster | u plugged your device in |
| 23:54.11 | SpeedEvil | raster: Which is unfortunately there not only for windows. |
| 23:54.30 | raster | if the pc you are using is not trusted - u are SOL |
| 23:54.32 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's also there for 'I plug my phone into a printer that supports UMS and want to print my photos' |
| 23:54.36 | raster | ssh wont help |
| 23:54.39 | SpeedEvil | Or mp3 |
| 23:54.42 | raster | everythnig can be intercepted and logged |
| 23:54.47 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: and ultimately it needs to work over bluetooth |
| 23:54.51 | raster | from passphrase entry thru to exchanging of keys |
| 23:55.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf ums |
| 23:55.12 | SpeedEvil | diffle-hymen. |
| 23:55.19 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: I change my ssh pass every time I use it |
| 23:55.20 | SpeedEvil | Or however it's spelled. |
| 23:55.31 | raster | SpeedEvil: see above. qemu. have vfat (read only) emulation available |
| 23:55.45 | raster | u can advretise BOTH a usbnet gadget AND a ums device |
| 23:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | *after* I have unplugged |
| 23:55.52 | raster | ums is the vfat emulation |
| 23:56.07 | SpeedEvil | raster: That also implies versioning, and a much more aggressive indexer. |
| 23:56.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | WTF IS UMS? |
| 23:56.23 | SpeedEvil | raster: It's especially fun if you want to support holes. |
| 23:56.32 | SpeedEvil | USB Mass Storage |
| 23:56.37 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: still doesnt matter - when connected it can be intercepted - extra commands sent down your ssh pipe. if your host cannt be trusted u are SOL. |
| 23:57.02 | raster | SpeedEvil: do it read-only |
| 23:57.05 | SpeedEvil | raster: If you have the ssh key of the remote side, the local net is just a pipe. |
| 23:57.15 | jpinx-eeepc | raster: it's connectin g froma chroot in the n900 too |
| 23:57.24 | raster | sure - once mounted your fs is "frozen" in its fat emulation state |
| 23:57.32 | SpeedEvil | raster: Still needs someone to implement the much more aggressive daemon. |
| 23:57.37 | raster | files that are deleted or modified will end up wiht io errs |
| 23:57.44 | raster | until an unmount and remount |
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| 23:58.43 | raster | jpinx-eeepc: u are still SOL. anything you can do - can be done by a malicious trojan/virus/app on the "internet cafe machine" |
| 23:58.54 | raster | if u can do it |
| 23:58.59 | raster | it can be done automated |
| 23:59.12 | jpinx-eeepc | Hmmm |
| 23:59.21 | raster | simple version |
| 23:59.23 | raster | u ssh in |
| 23:59.27 | raster | and can type in commands |
| 23:59.27 | raster | ls |
| 23:59.28 | raster | rm |
| 23:59.29 | raster | etc. |
| 23:59.53 | raster | a malicious app can fake a kbd device input stream to your putty/ssh app |
| 23:59.57 | raster | and type in cmds for u |
| 23:59.58 | raster | eg |
