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| 00:03.43 | GeneralAntilles | yawns. |
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| 00:25.11 | timeless_pidgin | Hrm |
| 00:25.37 | timeless_pidgin | If someone happens to know when the xref broke, that'd help |
| 00:25.47 | timeless_pidgin | Also is it broken for all roots or only some? |
| 00:26.15 | timeless_pidgin | But please catalogue answers and send me an email. I won't look before next week. |
| 00:26.25 | timeless_pidgin | Sorry |
| 00:27.42 | kwtm | Hi. I'm trying to remap my N900 keyboard to contain the commonly used symbols <>[]{}`|^~@% . Am I able to use Shift-Sym as a key combination to produce new symbols? |
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| 00:43.03 | Rangasameee | Dudes, I have a proposition for buying a n900 and n810 |
| 00:43.20 | Rangasameee | n810 is half the price ($140) |
| 00:43.58 | kwtm | Rangasameee: No contest: n900 is much more useful since you can get a cell phone data plan. If you can't, then ok to consider 810. |
| 00:44.00 | Rangasameee | Do you think I will help get enough performance by installing maemo over it (N810) |
| 00:44.18 | Rangasameee | I already have droid |
| 00:44.34 | Rangasameee | I want to play with new builds of maemo/meego |
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| 00:45.28 | Rangasameee | kwtm, do you think n810 will be slow for maemo |
| 00:45.53 | kwtm | Good question. I don't know. Since it comes with Maemo (4, I think), I would say it shouldn't be too bad. |
| 00:46.21 | kwtm | For me it's more a matter of the hardware. But I have no experience with the 810, so you should check out the forums for comments. |
| 00:46.34 | kwtm | Or come back to the channel in about 6 - 12 hours; it will be much more active. |
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| 00:50.10 | Rangasameee | kwtm, Kool, I will check it |
| 00:50.16 | Rangasameee | what are you using? |
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| 01:03.47 | kwtm | n900. Go anywhere, be connected. If I wanted to be restricted to someone's wifi area, I would have gotten a netbook. |
| 01:04.48 | pupnik | i'd like to be on triton worrying about network reception, directing new robot mining operations |
| 01:05.37 | kwtm | You could use your n900 on triton, but the roaming charges would kill you. |
| 01:05.43 | johnx | Rangasameee, you want an N900 if you're planning to play with meego, unless you're willing to wait for the Nokia N9 or whatever |
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| 01:11.14 | kwtm | YESSSS!!!! YES YES Yes Yes yes yes . . . |
| 01:11.19 | kwtm | er, don't mind me. |
| 01:11.35 | kwtm | is finally able to get his N900 keyboard to make sense. |
| 01:12.36 | kwtm | wonders why no one else seems to be using Shift-Alt to generate a whole new set of characters without resorting to that Alt-Sym key to call up the virtual keyboard. |
| 01:13.05 | kwtm | is getting addicted to using emotes instead of actually talking. |
| 01:13.31 | pupnik | shft-alt eh |
| 01:13.41 | pupnik | nice |
| 01:14.20 | pupnik | i've added a few of my own |
| 01:14.27 | kwtm | no longer needs to worry about having to type [c] [d] [space] [Shift] [Sym] [tilde] [tilde] just to navigate to the home dir |
| 01:14.52 | pupnik | what do you type? |
| 01:15.27 | kwtm | Now I type [Shift] [Alt] [y]. But I can press Shift/Alt at the same time. |
| 01:15.56 | pupnik | nice |
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| 01:16.00 | kwtm | Also, when I call up those symbols, I don't get the whole screen turning blurry and then being overlaid by a table of symbols just to type one symbol. |
| 01:16.13 | pupnik | yeah i never used that |
| 01:16.30 | kwtm | --which I have to type TWICE because the first time it thinks the tilde is some accent I'm going to add to a letter. |
| 01:17.00 | kwtm | ---- which doesn't make sense because that accent is only ever added to the letter N. So why doesn't it just type the letter n-with-tilde already? I mean, am I going to type tilde-f or something??? |
| 01:17.05 | pupnik | hmm i don't have to do that - |
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| 01:17.34 | kwtm | I also took the liberty of removing the at-sign from the space bar. I mean, the space bar should be space bar whether you're holding down shift or alt or whatever. |
| 01:17.42 | pupnik | i'm torn between the n900 and the mini-laptop |
| 01:18.20 | pupnik | ummmmm |
| 01:18.36 | kwtm | pupnik: Does the mini-laptop have DVD drive? |
| 01:18.40 | pupnik | no |
| 01:18.47 | ShadowJK | which minilaptop? |
| 01:18.55 | pupnik | x200t |
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| 01:25.12 | nox- | finally got the fennec 2.0 nightly installed... |
| 01:27.28 | pupnik | how is it nox? |
| 01:27.52 | nox- | so far seems alright |
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| 01:29.46 | pupnik | you know, a 4.5 vs 3.5 inch screen could give 1024x600 resolution with similar density to the n900 |
| 01:30.15 | pupnik | imagine that extra inch when webbrowsng |
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| 01:32.15 | luke-jr_ | pupnik: imagine? you mean just look at a N810? |
| 01:33.46 | johnx | he said an inch, not half an inch |
| 01:34.00 | johnx | anyways, it's kinda useless without more pixels as well |
| 01:34.19 | luke-jr_ | nonsense |
| 01:34.24 | luke-jr_ | resolution only affects quality |
| 01:35.24 | johnx | and quality affects legibility |
| 01:37.51 | ShadowJK | the n810 screen is nicer to look at, but it could also be because the os lets you fullscreen everything and doesnt waste space on huge ui elements |
| 01:38.50 | johnx | never really had much time with an N810, just my N800. the N810 was transflective, right? |
| 01:39.41 | ShadowJK | yes |
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| 01:40.51 | johnx | I'd actually be perfectly happy with a bigger screen |
| 01:41.01 | johnx | seems to be the direction things are swinging again |
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| 01:48.21 | delt | hello |
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| 01:48.42 | johnx | evenin' |
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| 01:49.04 | delt | so, thanks to you guys i have a working n810 instead of a brick =) |
| 01:49.09 | kwtm | I get a bigger screen by holding my n900 closer to my eye. |
| 01:49.20 | johnx | delt, woo! |
| 01:49.29 | kwtm | In fact, I have a bigscreen TV. But only for my left eye. :) |
| 01:49.44 | delt | haha, im near sighted, so i prefer a smaller screen closer to my eye(s) |
| 01:50.37 | delt | i like watching movies comfortably on my bed with the laptop on my stomach =) much better than even a huge tv more than 2 meters away |
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| 01:51.27 | delt | so, the thing is still in "r&d mode". pros/cons of leaving it like that vs. putting it back to normal? |
| 01:51.36 | kwtm | Yeah, baby!!! Escape key with Shift-Alt-Bksp instead of having to tap that screen! |
| 01:51.36 | johnx | kwtm, so I bet you hate '3D' TVs and movies just about as much as I do :) |
| 01:52.08 | GeneralAntilles | Why hate 3D movies? |
| 01:52.19 | johnx | delt, heard rumors it ends up leaving some clocks on during idle and marginally reduces battery life. not sure if that's true or not |
| 01:52.20 | delt | "3D" as in crt? hehe |
| 01:52.37 | kwtm | johnx: I guess for 3d movies I'd buy another N900, hold it up to my right eye, and then make sure the two N900's are in sync. |
| 01:52.44 | delt | ah ok thanks for the heads-up |
| 01:52.55 | kwtm | I would use duct tape to tape it to my head since it can get tiring holding up the two N900's. |
| 01:53.03 | GeneralAntilles | 3D is only good in a movie theater. |
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| 01:53.13 | GeneralAntilles | The tech sucks too much for it to be non-stressful in home usage. |
| 01:53.13 | johnx | GeneralAntilles, I don't have stereoscopic vision and I already have bulky glasses, so I get to pay extra to wear uncomfortable glasses |
| 01:53.24 | kwtm | johnx: Lasik? |
| 01:53.36 | johnx | detached retina a while ago |
| 01:53.38 | GeneralAntilles | johnx, oh really? |
| 01:53.39 | GeneralAntilles | Ouch. |
| 01:53.48 | johnx | meh |
| 01:54.06 | johnx | it's like totally not a big deal, *except* 3D movies |
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| 01:54.33 | delt | hum, ok now to get rid of this ridiculous vfat partition and use that as a root fs..... |
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| 01:54.49 | delt | kernel supports ext2/3fs? |
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| 01:55.01 | johnx | as a module |
| 01:55.06 | delt | (the default one in latest os2008) |
| 01:55.11 | delt | *gaaah* |
| 01:55.35 | delt | the purpose of that being, other than NOT being able to use an ext3 root fs?? |
| 01:55.55 | delt | and saving like 4kb of kernel space |
| 01:56.08 | johnx | is it really 4K? I think you made that number up ;) |
| 01:56.27 | delt | no, the number 4096 existed before |
| 01:56.38 | delt | i just pulled it out of my ass as the size of the ext2/3 driver =) |
| 01:56.50 | johnx | anyways, it doesn't matter. it's on the initrd anyways |
| 01:57.04 | delt | oh ok |
| 01:57.10 | johnx | there are a couple good tutorials on booting from SD |
| 01:57.22 | delt | so it CAN use an ext3 root filesystem |
| 01:57.29 | johnx | yeah |
| 01:57.46 | johnx | there's a script that does it for you |
| 01:57.51 | johnx | can't remember what it's called |
| 01:58.01 | delt | oh, i would like to take a look at it |
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| 01:58.40 | delt | bouncing baby boioioiooiiiiing |
| 01:59.04 | delt | kick him see if he bounces again :D |
| 02:00.17 | delt | question: n810 working normally, but plugged to USB, does it still use up the battery? |
| 02:00.41 | johnx | it doesn't charge over USB, if that's what you're asking |
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| 02:01.50 | delt | yeah, determined that yesterday. btw this is completely retarded, but moderately amusing http://communitizer.blogspot.com/2008/04/self-charging-n810.html |
| 02:02.08 | johnx | heh. yeah. saw that a bit ago :) |
| 02:02.13 | kwtm | johnx: Detached retina probably no big deal because you have another one, but that one has now become ULTRA precious. Take care! |
| 02:02.44 | johnx | kwtm, I do. and I'm totally paranoid about it too |
| 02:03.08 | delt | johnx: what happened to your eye? |
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| 02:03.21 | kwtm | DOn't blame you for no lasik. Just curious --answering is optional: detached retina just because of the way you are, or something happened (injury, external illness)? |
| 02:03.48 | johnx | delt, retina detached. kwtm happens more often to people who are extremely nearsighted |
| 02:03.49 | delt | unknown command line option --answering-is-optional |
| 02:04.01 | johnx | it's because of the shape of the eye |
| 02:04.28 | delt | kwtm.. isnt that kwtm's nick? |
| 02:04.39 | kwtm | Hey, how did you know that kwtm's nick was kwtm? |
| 02:04.54 | johnx | as far as I can tell, it "just happened", though maybe I got hit in the head the day or so before I noticed it |
| 02:04.55 | kwtm | Oh, I see what you're saing. That phrase was addressed to me, delt. |
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| 02:05.06 | delt | kwtm: because whoever it is, it matches his/her/its nick. |
| 02:05.19 | delt | ah ok |
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| 02:05.42 | kwtm | So, johnx, family Hx of glaucoma, I'm guessing? |
| 02:05.46 | delt | thought like, hit autocomplete key by mistake or something |
| 02:05.51 | johnx | kwtm, nope, AFAIK |
| 02:06.08 | johnx | burned up too much luck :) |
| 02:08.09 | johnx | delt, I think this might be the most recent release of the 'clone rootfs to sd card' script: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=25714 |
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| 02:08.21 | delt | thanks noted |
| 02:09.51 | johnx | oh, and backup before you run that script :) |
| 02:10.02 | johnx | there is a non-zero chance that something can go wrong |
| 02:11.20 | delt | what's on the 2gb internal flash of the n810 by default (factory shipping) |
| 02:11.32 | johnx | some sample files |
| 02:11.39 | johnx | but it's where user files get saved mostly |
| 02:11.43 | johnx | AFAIR |
| 02:11.56 | delt | oh johnx 22:09 < delt> thanks noted |
| 02:12.09 | johnx | maps get put there as well |
| 02:12.13 | delt | dunno if you caught that before quit |
| 02:12.24 | johnx | got back just in time for it |
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| 02:13.08 | delt | oh, swap is mostly a file on the 2gb vfat partition? |
| 02:13.17 | delt | s/mostly/normally/ |
| 02:13.22 | johnx | yeah |
| 02:13.41 | johnx | (I spend so much time in the console that ctrl+w means ;backspace a word' in my head not 'close a tab/window') |
| 02:14.43 | delt | ok, what if i decide to split that in 3..... a 256mb swap, a 64mb windows partition, and the rest an ext3fs |
| 02:14.51 | delt | then use that as root fs |
| 02:15.07 | johnx | then there isn't a script for you and you have to write your bootmenu file manually |
| 02:15.39 | delt | which is what i normally do, but i'm not as familiar with this hardware. |
| 02:15.58 | johnx | it's the boot process mostly that's weird |
| 02:16.18 | delt | anyway, taking a good look at the script you linked above, thanks btw |
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| 02:17.19 | delt | "There are internal (mmcblk0) and external (mmcblk1)" so this is specific to the 810? |
| 02:17.35 | johnx | kinda |
| 02:18.14 | johnx | the N800 has two SD card *slots* instead of a soldered-on sd chip and a miniSD slot |
| 02:19.02 | delt | yeah, and they kept the same device names on the n810, first "slot" being the internal chip |
| 02:19.21 | johnx | yup |
| 02:19.34 | delt | so, time to install sshd and do some reading..... |
| 02:19.37 | johnx | they also kept the same SoC, and most of the same board |
| 02:19.48 | johnx | yup |
| 02:20.11 | delt | SoC == System On Chip? |
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| 02:21.03 | johnx | yeah |
| 02:21.23 | delt | fm radio would have been nice, but :) so would star trek voyager technology heh |
| 02:21.50 | nox- | ah thats only in n900? |
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| 02:21.59 | nox- | (fm radio) |
| 02:22.07 | delt | ok, be back later to report failure. |
| 02:22.15 | delt | uh, or sucksess. |
| 02:22.45 | johnx | nox-, N800 and N900 :) |
| 02:22.55 | nox- | but not 810? |
| 02:23.00 | johnx | correct |
| 02:23.03 | nox- | huh |
| 02:23.15 | johnx | but only N900 got that awesome FM transmitter |
| 02:23.23 | nox- | heh |
| 02:23.42 | nox- | not even tested that one yet, does it sound alright? |
| 02:24.33 | johnx | yup, if it's close to the radio antenna and you have a good 'empty' station to broadcast over and you point the N900 the 'right' direction |
| 02:24.55 | johnx | which is to say, for me it works great. other people don't always have the best luck it seems |
| 02:25.08 | nox- | audio quality is good too? |
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| 02:25.34 | johnx | for FM radio *shrugs* |
| 02:25.43 | nox- | :) |
| 02:25.59 | nox- | well some ppl have fancy car stereos etc... |
| 02:26.21 | johnx | my tape deck doesn't even work |
| 02:26.43 | johnx | I waited long enough that I have two pieces of tech that work perfectly together :D |
| 02:26.53 | nox- | hehe |
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| 02:34.32 | kwtm | johnx: This is before or after "apt-get install fm-boost"? |
| 02:34.41 | johnx | before |
| 02:35.24 | johnx | I did do the thing to prevent it from cutting off the FM transmitter when something (like a charger) is plugged in, but it appears they did that for good reason :) |
| 02:35.45 | johnx | charging while it's FM broadcasting does seem to interfere with the FM signal (static and such) |
| 02:36.27 | kwtm | It's a bit unusual --FM usually captures well, so that a signal of strength 5 from a medium-distance source will be easily overpowered by a signal of strength 5.2 from a closer source. It's not fade-in / fade-out like AM. |
| 02:37.11 | kwtm | What about the infrared, speaking of peripheral connections? I can't seem to get my ir to work, but I can't confirm whether it's software or hardware or my IR lens is just dirty. |
| 02:37.42 | delt | fm broadcasting? |
| 02:37.46 | delt | n900? |
| 02:38.08 | johnx | delt, yeah. well fm "transmitter" |
| 02:38.10 | kwtm | n900 has a FM transmitter. Did you not know? |
| 02:38.26 | johnx | broad is a bit generous in this case |
| 02:38.28 | delt | johnx: sounds any good at like, a few meters range? |
| 02:38.40 | johnx | sounds good from maybe 1.5 - 2m |
| 02:38.46 | microlith | kwtm: what about the IR is giving you trouble? |
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| 02:38.53 | johnx | as long as the N900 is parallel to the antenna |
| 02:39.03 | delt | ah. bronadcasts in stereo? |
| 02:39.12 | johnx | kwtm, do you have a camera you can aim at the IR transmitter to see the light? |
| 02:39.19 | johnx | delt, i think so |
| 02:39.22 | kwtm | Installed "PyKake" which failed to control my Canon SLR camera. Now I need some other way to test to see where it failed. |
| 02:39.39 | delt | only thing missing then would be a line-in other than mic ("other" t/r/s/other socket) |
| 02:39.41 | kwtm | johnx: I have a Canon XTi, but how can I see the light? Is it supposed to show up on some indicator? |
| 02:40.21 | kwtm | delt: Why do you need something other than mic? COuldn't you just hook up whatever it is (e.g. tape player audio out) to the mic in line? |
| 02:40.28 | johnx | kwtm, unless your camera is really well filtered, you should be able to point it at the IR transmitter and look through the viewfinder and see a light |
| 02:40.48 | kwtm | Although I think the mic in is mono. |
| 02:41.09 | kwtm | johnx: What do you mean? The IR led is visible to the naked eye? |
| 02:41.12 | delt | heh, turns out this script does exactly that 22:15 < delt> ok, what if i decide to split that in 3..... a 256mb swap, a 64mb windows partition, and the rest an ext3fs |
| 02:41.31 | johnx | kwtm, visible to your camera :) |
| 02:42.05 | johnx | delt, ah, cool :) never ran it on an N810 ... |
| 02:43.22 | johnx | kwtm, err, sorry, not viewfinder in your case. I mean the LCD preview thing |
| 02:43.43 | kwtm | Ohhhhh!!! I have a real SLR. It doesn't have a "LCD preview" thing. |
| 02:44.00 | johnx | no video mode? |
| 02:44.01 | kwtm | Will it show up on a camera for which the IR remote was not intended? |
| 02:44.21 | johnx | yeah, it's just a function of the camera's CCD being sensitive to infrared |
| 02:44.24 | kwtm | No video mode. When I said "real SLR" I meant "real (cheap) SLR". |
| 02:45.00 | kwtm | That's great! I have a digital camera on .. my .... Nokia ........ N900 ................ um, never mind. |
| 02:45.06 | kwtm | Okay, I' |
| 02:45.07 | johnx | mirror :) |
| 02:45.12 | johnx | maybe two mirrors |
| 02:45.33 | kwtm | Okay, I'll use my Canon Powershot SD1100. (Hey, Canon, do I get some $$ for product placement?) |
| 02:46.26 | johnx | I actually liked the super cut down XTi. Didn't have one but I think that's what my sister has. |
| 02:46.58 | delt | just wondering, how come osso-xterm doesn't obey $DISPLAY env.variable or -display on command line? |
| 02:47.20 | johnx | delt, lots of maemo apps from Nokia don't :) |
| 02:47.41 | johnx | it's just trying to fit in |
| 02:47.42 | delt | like, to have a term window running from the tablet, but usable on this (pc) screen+keyboard |
| 02:47.51 | johnx | use VNC for that I guess |
| 02:47.57 | johnx | dunno if there's a better option |
| 02:48.08 | delt | is there a vncserver for maemo? |
| 02:48.15 | delt | i know there's a vncviewer, which is cool |
| 02:48.18 | johnx | yeah |
| 02:48.20 | delt | and very practical |
| 02:48.25 | johnx | I think it's in extras |
| 02:48.30 | delt | there is a server too? |
| 02:49.08 | johnx | yes. I think so |
| 02:49.13 | johnx | I think it's in Extras |
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| 02:49.23 | delt | and ssh/sshd is also on my to-install list |
| 02:49.49 | lcuk | makes note that sleep is impossible after whiskey consumption |
| 02:52.20 | johnx | sleep is for the weak |
| 02:52.22 | delt | oh *duh* maemo-extras was disabled, thats why it was greyed out earlier and not showing up in red when the repo was down |
| 02:53.54 | kwtm | johnx: Agree that sleep is for the weak. And I am weak about 8 hours a day. |
| 02:54.44 | johnx | sometimes I wish my body felt like sleeping at a normal enough time that I could get 8 hours :) |
| 02:55.17 | johnx | but it's fun to hang out the the guys in EU when they wake up |
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| 02:55.58 | delt | the application manager should show me the contents of all catalogs in tools -> "application catalog" right? |
| 02:56.07 | delt | or do i need to choose one or another? |
| 02:56.18 | johnx | it shows you some of the contents of all of them |
| 02:56.45 | johnx | only packages in a certain category show up in the GUI app manager |
| 02:56.56 | johnx | all of them are available from apt-get though |
| 02:57.18 | delt | when i got it it had stuff preinstalled, and the app manager showed me tons more |
| 02:58.02 | johnx | might have had extras-devel on there as well |
| 02:58.07 | johnx | start with extras though ;) |
| 02:58.24 | delt | wish i could have backed up that too, but there is apparently no way to mount the 256mb useless-root-fs over usb |
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| 02:59.19 | franz_ | quick question, where are those battery graphics from: http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4891003731_f558a4a0f0_b.jpg |
| 02:59.22 | delt | dude, this is ludicrous. "ALL" shows me exactly 12 items |
| 02:59.34 | franz_ | I thought it was black plastic, but they look slightly different |
| 03:00.00 | lcuk | franz_, ask the owner of the picture |
| 03:00.11 | lcuk | delt, what warings/errors does it show |
| 03:00.21 | lcuk | it does sound like you have one or other repository faults |
| 03:00.31 | delt | none, at least not in the ui's main window |
| 03:00.58 | lcuk | thats kinda helpful to yourself |
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| 03:01.18 | delt | meaning...? |
| 03:01.22 | lcuk | fyi, the internal "backup" tool actually backs up both repositories and packages installed lists |
| 03:01.25 | johnx | menu -> tools -> log |
| 03:02.06 | lcuk | whats in the repositories list though menu -> application catalogues |
| 03:02.28 | delt | yeah, but the device was bricked. somehow with r&d mode enabled the 2gb partition showed up as the SECOND partition over usb, and now fresh install it shows up as first partition. |
| 03:02.28 | johnx | lcuk, keep in mind. this is an N810 |
| 03:03.09 | lcuk | johnx, ahh |
| 03:03.14 | delt | ah, shows "failed to refresh" on maemo-extras |
| 03:03.22 | delt | with a red X at the left |
| 03:03.36 | lcuk | should give an error code (404 403 etc) |
| 03:03.36 | johnx | so now look at the log |
| 03:03.44 | johnx | tools -> log |
| 03:03.46 | lcuk | i believe the error is listed there |
| 03:04.11 | lcuk | E:Connect_Ur_Wifi |
| 03:04.38 | delt | W: GPG error (i assume W for Warning?) |
| 03:04.49 | johnx | yeah. that's expected |
| 03:05.11 | johnx | run check for updates again |
| 03:05.28 | johnx | and hit the refresh icon at the bottom right |
| 03:05.29 | delt | E: failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras/......... Sub-process gzip returned an error code |
| 03:05.59 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=828888#post828888 |
| 03:06.00 | delt | extras repo is back up? (seeing the notice from earlier in the topic got removed) |
| 03:06.02 | lcuk | check that |
| 03:06.04 | lcuk | thats live now |
| 03:06.38 | lcuk | it just popped on vaispy |
| 03:07.04 | lcuk | sounds like m.o is having issues perhaps |
| 03:08.35 | delt | check for updates, refresh, no go :/ |
| 03:08.45 | delt | still shows extras as disabled. |
| 03:10.15 | delt | with that item selected, i get the error (same one from the logs) twice under it |
| 03:10.17 | johnx | unrelated: has anyone else noticed that the N800 just felt better in the hand than the N810 or N900 does? |
| 03:11.34 | asj | no |
| 03:11.48 | johnx | and I have my answer :) |
| 03:11.57 | luke-jr_ | lol |
| 03:12.05 | luke-jr_ | N810 was certainly better than N900 |
| 03:12.17 | delt | never held a n800 or a n900 so dunno |
| 03:12.26 | lcuk | n810 had one massive major horrid problem i had to build a whole cradle for |
| 03:12.45 | delt | certainly bulkier than an ipod nano or sandisk e2x0 |
| 03:12.46 | lcuk | it was impossible to almost fall asleep at night and hold/move pages nicely |
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| 03:16.28 | delt | lcuk: what do you mean by hold/move pages while falling asleep? |
| 03:16.36 | lcuk | delt, i read a lot |
| 03:17.10 | delt | ok... so what is "holding" a page? |
| 03:17.11 | lcuk | with my old pocket loox machine, i could grasp device in my knuckle and fall asleep whilst turning pages using its real buttons |
| 03:17.32 | MrPPS | hey, has anyone else had trouble with the extras repository in the last 12 or so hours? |
| 03:17.39 | delt | YES |
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| 03:17.47 | johnx | heh |
| 03:17.50 | lcuk | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=828888#post828888 << MrPPS |
| 03:17.59 | johnx | heh. perfect time to reflash my N800 :| |
| 03:18.07 | delt | was in the topic earlier today, and now my tablet cant access it |
| 03:19.07 | delt | which sucks because i would very much have a sshd server on it, and a vnc viewer(+ server if there is one) would be quite welcome as well |
| 03:19.21 | delt | s/very much/very much like to/ |
| 03:19.21 | lcuk | delt, it has all (inc server) |
| 03:19.27 | MrPPS | fair enough - so no fix yet? |
| 03:19.59 | lcuk | has another cig then liws back down |
| 03:20.02 | lcuk | lies |
| 03:20.09 | delt | lcuk: sh (xterm) tells me "not found" for ssh and sshd |
| 03:21.26 | delt | 16gb mini sd card is on my to-buy-soon list..... |
| 03:21.45 | MrPPS | ah, so its part of the upgrade |
| 03:21.46 | lcuk | delt, you are having repository issues |
| 03:21.52 | lcuk | openssh |
| 03:21.58 | lcuk | is the metpackage |
| 03:22.01 | lcuk | meta |
| 03:22.12 | lcuk | installing both client and server |
| 03:22.19 | MrPPS | so if update manager wont let you edit the repository dist, how do we update to 1.3? |
| 03:22.31 | delt | lcuk: in other words, apt-get openssh? |
| 03:22.35 | delt | without the ? duh |
| 03:22.41 | lcuk | in a generic sense, do not worry about the repository list |
| 03:22.55 | lcuk | nobody needed to change it from fremantle to fremantle1.2 did they :P |
| 03:22.59 | lcuk | (manually) |
| 03:23.13 | johnx | delt, apt-get install openssh |
| 03:23.17 | MrPPS | mine just installed that way :P |
| 03:23.19 | johnx | but it will show up in the list of packages |
| 03:23.32 | MrPPS | how should i edit it back to fremantle |
| 03:23.45 | delt | ah thanks =) been a while since i used debian-like package managers |
| 03:23.45 | lcuk | MrPPS, you dont need to |
| 03:24.14 | lcuk | melts his brain and goes to sleep |
| 03:24.23 | MrPPS | lcuk: if its currently set to 1.2, will 1.2 be symlinked to 1.3 then? |
| 03:25.10 | delt | *sigh* what if i make a COPY of busybox $ cp busybox su && chmod +s su |
| 03:25.22 | johnx | MrPPS, if you didn't muck with the manually, everything will be taken care of. if you did muck with it, change it back to whatever it was before |
| 03:25.53 | delt | s/$ /$ cd \/bin && / |
| 03:25.58 | johnx | delt, what are you trying to do? |
| 03:26.02 | delt | su root |
| 03:26.11 | delt | but a symlink to busybox can't be +s |
| 03:26.49 | delt | and im not particularly fond of hardlinks, even for regular files |
| 03:27.03 | johnx | so, if what you're suggesting actually works, wouldn't that let anyone with shell access on any linux get root? :) |
| 03:27.47 | delt | oh, editing the /etc/sudo* files appropriately of course |
| 03:28.31 | delt | what was the name of that "gainroot" package? |
| 03:28.39 | johnx | rootsh |
| 03:29.17 | delt | thx. fortunately right now the tablet is still in r+d mode, so it "should" work or so i've read |
| 03:29.33 | johnx | ah, right :) |
| 03:29.36 | johnx | forgot about that |
| 03:30.58 | delt | hmm, says "E: Could not get lock /var/lib/dpkg/lock - open (11 Resource temporarily unavailable) |
| 03:31.12 | MrPPS | johnx: i didn't "muck" with it manually, but i did add the extras repo's manually after purchasing the phone |
| 03:31.17 | johnx | delt, are you root? |
| 03:31.20 | delt | yeah |
| 03:31.32 | MrPPS | i followed instructions on the website, adding fremantle-1.2 as the dist, and free non-free as the options |
| 03:31.32 | johnx | do you have package manager open? |
| 03:31.33 | delt | well, in that xterm yeah |
| 03:31.43 | delt | oooh *duh* |
| 03:32.01 | johnx | MrPPS, if it's fremantle-1.2 right now I think you can just change it to fremantle and everything should be fine |
| 03:32.09 | MrPPS | alright, thanks |
| 03:32.17 | johnx | but wasn't extras included by default, just disabled? |
| 03:32.22 | delt | nope, closed app. manager and same error |
| 03:32.39 | johnx | delt: ps aux | grep apt |
| 03:32.45 | johnx | see if app manager left something behind |
| 03:32.46 | delt | yeah, i just enabled it (after fresh re-flash) and it was disabled |
| 03:33.14 | delt | enabled it, now it seems to not-work just fine |
| 03:33.42 | delt | gaaaah where is the | on that keyboard :/ |
| 03:34.23 | delt | i figured out pressing the "chr" button (btw, is there any way to configure those extra characters?) |
| 03:34.55 | johnx | add it to the shortcut bar on your xterm |
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| 03:35.34 | delt | tried that on my old install, character "bar" ... didnt work |
| 03:35.46 | delt | with an uppercase or lowercase B... i think i tried both |
| 03:35.57 | johnx | what about pipe? |
| 03:36.31 | johnx | see what it's called on your linux desktop |
| 03:36.37 | delt | first thing that came to mind, didnt work either ... but dont remember if i tried both Pipe and pipe |
| 03:36.38 | johnx | xev and hit the | key |
| 03:37.11 | delt | "bar" in lowercase |
| 03:37.24 | delt | should be the same in maemo right? |
| 03:37.46 | delt | even though it's a heavily modified X11 |
| 03:37.58 | delt | s/it's/it looks like/ |
| 03:38.19 | johnx | yeah, I think |
| 03:39.01 | delt | aha, process "/usr/libexec/apt-worker", root, SWN |
| 03:40.26 | delt | killall apt-worker killed it, no need for kill -9 |
| 03:41.25 | delt | reading package lists.... (quickly showed % then "Done") |
| 03:41.42 | delt | Building dependency tree, Reading state information... Done |
| 03:41.48 | johnx | we're ok without the details unless there's a problem :) |
| 03:41.49 | delt | E: Couldn't find package rootfs |
| 03:41.57 | johnx | rootsh |
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| 03:42.35 | delt | *FACEPALM* can you send me a baseball bat, sledge hammer or something, that would do my head some good |
| 03:42.53 | johnx | :) |
| 03:43.08 | delt | really, excuse me but this is not excusable. |
| 03:43.57 | delt | same with rootsh, E: cant find package rootsh |
| 03:44.07 | johnx | ah, well maybe I was wrong on that one |
| 03:44.13 | johnx | checks |
| 03:44.28 | delt | same with openssh...wtf?? |
| 03:45.16 | johnx | apt-get update |
| 03:45.27 | johnx | I still think extras never properly refreshed |
| 03:45.28 | delt | oh, i need a local list of packages...? |
| 03:45.48 | delt | what about 23:42 < delt> reading package lists.... (quickly showed % then "Done") |
| 03:46.01 | johnx | it was reading the local package lists into RAM |
| 03:46.34 | johnx | actually, the apt-worker you killed might have been doing that update ... |
| 03:47.30 | delt | errors about extras again.... then at the end E: some index files failed to download, blahblah |
| 03:47.59 | johnx | what's the error it says? |
| 03:48.16 | johnx | 404? 403? timeout? failed to resolve? |
| 03:49.13 | delt | uh 2sec, changing xterm to a smaller font because this is ridiculous |
| 03:49.53 | delt | and white/grey on black background instead of white background... this is aggressing my eyes |
| 03:51.22 | delt | wish i still had that "droid" font... was perfect for xterm on that screen |
| 03:51.35 | delt | s/font/font pack/ |
| 03:54.21 | delt | hey, the internal 2gb chip isnt even mounted!! |
| 03:54.50 | delt | was gonna do apt-whatever | tee some file on there and stick it from the usb drive to my web directory, .... ?? |
| 03:55.12 | johnx | is the N810 plugged into your PC? |
| 03:55.21 | delt | yeah, usb cable |
| 03:55.28 | delt | and r+d mode is on |
| 03:55.34 | johnx | can't have the same FS mounted in two places ;) |
| 03:55.58 | delt | i agree with that, but its not mounted on the pc |
| 03:56.06 | johnx | but the N810 can't know that |
| 03:56.18 | johnx | unplug the USB cable and the N810 will remount it |
| 03:56.21 | delt | so there's an auto-mount-unmounter, that checks for usb connection...? |
| 03:56.23 | delt | ah ok |
| 03:56.57 | delt | oh btw, battery meter is still full..... any cmdline to show percentage of charge? |
| 03:57.19 | johnx | think there's an app that does |
| 03:57.26 | johnx | or a dbus request or something |
| 03:57.26 | delt | been what, 2 hours running and plugged on the usb? |
| 03:57.35 | delt | anyway, ill check that later |
| 03:58.29 | delt | ah, there it is. |
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| 04:02.51 | delt | just wondering, what if mmc2 is busy and i plug the usb cable? |
| 04:03.02 | delt | it just doesnt show up as a storage device? |
| 04:03.09 | johnx | correct |
| 04:03.27 | johnx | and your N810 will pop-up some type of warning/error/complaint/plea for help |
| 04:03.52 | delt | heh |
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| 04:05.53 | kwtm | wait, the infobot will actually obey vi commands?? |
| 04:05.58 | kwtm | s/wait/Wait/ |
| 04:06.07 | kwtm | s/info/Info/ |
| 04:06.25 | kwtm | s/i/I/g |
| 04:06.40 | delt | abcde |
| 04:06.59 | delt | s/a/A/ -e /b/B/ -e c/C/ |
| 04:07.06 | delt | -e s/a/A/ -e /b/B/ -e c/C/ |
| 04:07.08 | johnx | no |
| 04:07.10 | kwtm | s/the\(.*\)will/THE\1WILL/ |
| 04:07.14 | delt | hehe |
| 04:07.22 | johnx | it understands s/a/b/ and s/a/b/g |
| 04:07.51 | kwtm | s/the(.*)will/THE\1WILL/ |
| 04:08.01 | delt | http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/apt-get.out.txt |
| 04:08.03 | kwtm | s/?./?!/ |
| 04:08.13 | kwtm | I think I have to be the last one who spoke. |
| 04:08.17 | kwtm | s/I/i/ |
| 04:08.35 | kwtm | s/.k/KK/ |
| 04:08.45 | kwtm | Okay, so no wildcards. |
| 04:09.10 | kwtm | s/[a-z]o/o/ |
| 04:09.31 | luke-jr_ | … |
| 04:09.49 | johnx | delt, yeah. try to grab that file on your desktop and see if it's a valid gzip file |
| 04:12.05 | delt | um, dont see any link to a .gz file? |
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| 04:13.02 | johnx | delt, line beginning: "Failed to fetch ... " |
| 04:13.10 | johnx | in your apt-get.out.txt |
| 04:13.24 | delt | duh *facedoublepalm* |
| 04:13.51 | delt | <--- stiupd and witardid ):- |
| 04:14.01 | johnx | no worries |
| 04:14.50 | delt | uh |
| 04:14.52 | delt | [pts/8][user@deimos]:~/n810/apt-get$ wget http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 04:15.08 | delt | Length: 1602 (1.6K) [text/html] |
| 04:15.08 | delt | Saving to: `Packages.gz' |
| 04:15.14 | delt | [pts/8][user@deimos]:~/n810/apt-get$ file Packages.gz |
| 04:15.14 | delt | Packages.gz: ASCII text, with CRLF, LF line terminators |
| 04:15.18 | johnx | heh |
| 04:15.25 | johnx | yeah, about what i thought |
| 04:15.30 | delt | html code |
| 04:15.37 | johnx | so the repo is borked for some people, including you |
| 04:15.41 | johnx | it happens from time to time |
| 04:15.57 | johnx | the whole thing is on akamai and falls apart in a light breeze |
| 04:16.34 | delt | http://www.deimos.ca/miscjunk/Packages.gz.txt |
| 04:16.58 | delt | so the problem is on the server's side? |
| 04:17.01 | johnx | yes |
| 04:17.03 | johnx | definitely |
| 04:17.18 | delt | same problem as the maemo-extras repo? |
| 04:17.32 | johnx | that is the maemo extras repo |
| 04:18.14 | rohanpm | the topic explains that extras is broken |
| 04:18.24 | johnx | anyways, got to go for a bit |
| 04:18.27 | delt | uh. i think i better get a brain transplant asafp |
| 04:18.27 | johnx | 'later all |
| 04:18.37 | kwtm | How do we get the topic? |
| 04:18.48 | kwtm | You mean the repo server is broken? Wow. :( |
| 04:18.49 | delt | depends on your irc program? |
| 04:18.58 | beford | try /topic |
| 04:19.03 | delt | oh |
| 04:19.24 | delt | i just mapped ctrl+t to run /topic *DUUUH* |
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| 04:21.42 | delt | Tune in to ktwm for the best maemo-extras in town! That is, if your tablet has an FM tuner! |
| 04:21.53 | delt | Tune in to kwtm for the best maemo-extras in town! That is, if your tablet has an FM tuner! |
| 04:22.12 | delt | sry i acnt spel |
| 04:25.59 | delt | mkay.... so gonna check again tomorrow, i think it's sleep time for me |
| 04:26.14 | delt | good night all |
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| 04:26.48 | CreamyG | hmmm you guys should look at this: http://psx-scene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=67178 |
| 04:27.07 | CreamyG | douchebags at sony suing everyone, they named psfreedom too |
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| 05:01.42 | slonopotamus | 1. take n8x0. 2. disable wifi energy savings. 3. connect to wifi. 4. wait until battery is discharged. 5. put it on charger. 6. go to sleep (~8h) 7. suddenly discover that your tablet is only 50% charged |
| 05:02.14 | slonopotamus | i have only one question. what the fuck? |
| 05:03.54 | Stskeeps | it doesn't just switch to AC mode you know |
| 05:03.55 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:05.02 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: i don't care what it does or not. i put it on charger and expect it to fe fully (okay, or almost fully) charged after it sit on it for 8 hours |
| 05:05.35 | Stskeeps | :nod: but if you use more energy than you put into it.. |
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| 05:06.47 | slonopotamus | then it wouldn't charge at all. |
| 05:06.47 | slonopotamus | but it did and indicator showed it isn't charging when i woke up. |
| 05:07.01 | Stskeeps | hrm |
| 05:07.02 | Stskeeps | dunno |
| 05:07.52 | RST38h | Stskeeps: I am not sure the using-more-energy case ever happens with the dedicated wall charger. |
| 05:08.01 | RST38h | Stskeeps: as it does not limit the current |
| 05:08.09 | slonopotamus | idle wifi without energy savings kills battery in less than 8 hours. 4-6 afair. |
| 05:08.31 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: go talk to bme and ask on various data to explore the problem |
| 05:08.32 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 05:08.55 | RST38h | slonopotamus: You woke up, and it was not charging from the power supply? |
| 05:09.07 | RST38h | slonopotamus: Happened to me several times lately. |
| 05:09.28 | slonopotamus | RST38h: yep. though it was plugged in |
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| 05:14.46 | ShadowJK | was it glowing blue or shining green or glowing green? |
| 05:14.52 | ShadowJK | glowing/pulsing |
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| 05:15.56 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 05:16.06 | slonopotamus | it was grey n800 |
| 05:16.13 | ShadowJK | oh, n800 |
| 05:16.53 | ShadowJK | well then, was the d-pad steady blue or blinking blue fast or blinking blue slow? |
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| 05:17.37 | ShadowJK | And did you unplug charger before you observed battery icon at 50% |
| 05:18.07 | slonopotamus | d-pad stays off when charging |
| 05:18.15 | slonopotamus | tray icon said it isn't. |
| 05:18.35 | slonopotamus | it was 50% both with and without charger |
| 05:19.18 | slonopotamus | and don't tell me about broken charger cable. |
| 05:19.48 | ShadowJK | mine doesn't stay off when charging |
| 05:20.03 | slonopotamus | configurable in settings afaik |
| 05:20.54 | RST38h | slonopotamus: I suspect this happens when you lock it too fast after plugging it in |
| 05:21.18 | RST38h | slonopotamus: this is the only idea I have got about the problem =( |
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| 05:22.58 | ShadowJK | has it happened before? |
| 05:23.08 | ShadowJK | has never had it happen on his n800 |
| 05:23.19 | RST38h | actually has it happen on his n900 |
| 05:23.27 | slonopotamus | RST38h: "lock it too fast" - ??? |
| 05:23.44 | ShadowJK | except when charging with a non-nokia charger that puts out too much current sometimes |
| 05:23.50 | RST38h | slonopotamus: there is a lock switch at the right side |
| 05:24.07 | slonopotamus | RST38h: how it affects charging? |
| 05:24.13 | RST38h | slonopotamus: when you toggle it right when plugging in the charger, n900 sometimes does not go into chargin mode |
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| 05:24.19 | slonopotamus | ... |
| 05:24.28 | RST38h | pr1.2 |
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| 05:24.46 | slonopotamus | it was n800, damnit. next. |
| 05:25.40 | slonopotamus | if it didn't charge, it wouldn't survive 8 hours with disabled wifi energy savings |
| 05:25.58 | slonopotamus | so it did charge and then stopped |
| 05:26.51 | RST38h | hm |
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| 05:27.05 | ShadowJK | was going to guess it went to full and tripped on battery overvoltage during pwm switch on cycle or on dc adapter overcurrent :-) |
| 05:27.20 | RST38h | complicated. |
| 05:28.22 | ShadowJK | though typically it just goes into reboot loop when the former happens :) |
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| 05:29.23 | ShadowJK | the battery icon used to hang for me alot, and get stuck not updating |
| 05:29.49 | ShadowJK | no tooltip/info when tapping it was sure sign |
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| 05:30.08 | quanttrom | hm, is there anybody here using the "Faster Application Manager" App? |
| 05:30.51 | slonopotamus | it is advanced power applet and it didn't hang |
| 05:30.55 | quanttrom | v0.6.5 ? |
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| 05:31.22 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK: whatever, you can try to reproduce :) |
| 05:31.53 | ShadowJK | hm, what data source does that thing use? |
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| 05:34.28 | slonopotamus | btw, is there smth like batterygraph for diablo? |
| 05:34.49 | slonopotamus | ShadowJK: i used plain nokia wall charger |
| 05:34.58 | ShadowJK | Well it either didn't trigger recharge again after reaching full (sw prob), or it correctly popped up a "Not Charging" dialog while you were away due to some now unknown factor :) |
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| 05:35.18 | slonopotamus | i can try that again |
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| 05:35.55 | ShadowJK | not that it actually tells you why it's not charging |
| 05:36.20 | ShadowJK | hiding information from users is userfriendly, remember |
| 05:36.52 | slonopotamus | i was away because i don't have a habit of watching how my devices charge, you know. especially when i sleep |
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| 05:38.29 | slonopotamus | well, recharging is easy to check, one just needs to take fully charged tablet (still connected to charger) and start intensive battery drain |
| 05:39.07 | slonopotamus | 100% cpu usage drains whole battery in just 2 hours :) |
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| 05:40.25 | ShadowJK | well also tap the battery icon when it gets full, if it recommnds you unplg charger to save electricity you know it hasn't yet tripped at that point |
| 05:41.27 | slonopotamus | okay, new topic. anyone knows what software dims screen in maemo? |
| 05:41.44 | slonopotamus | and turns it off |
| 05:41.49 | slonopotamus | (screen) |
| 05:44.26 | slonopotamus | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/xserver-xomap/1.6.99.1-0osso20090208.104+0m5/ says i uploaded package to fremantle sdk :) |
| 05:46.09 | ShadowJK | is that 100% cpu AND wifi without psm? screen off or on and at what brightness? :) |
| 05:46.40 | slonopotamus | 2h is just 100% cpu, everything else off |
| 05:47.07 | ShadowJK | ah |
| 05:47.40 | slonopotamus | (i compile on it sometimes :P) |
| 05:47.41 | ShadowJK | when it start rebootng when you plug in charger, replace battery |
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| 06:34.16 | kwtm | Anyone have URL of that web page again with all the useful dbus signals like how to switch to silent profile, how to send an SMS by dbus, etc.? |
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| 06:36.13 | Corsac | Jebba has a nice page about that |
| 06:36.15 | Corsac | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS |
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| 06:59.44 | mece | soo.. What's up with extras today? |
| 07:00.02 | johnx | up and down |
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| 07:08.26 | mece | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11348 |
| 07:08.27 | povbot` | Bug 11348: maemo.org Extras repository fails to refresh |
| 07:11.50 | pexi | http://www.mobileburn.com/review.jsp?Id=547 |
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| 07:15.35 | smooph | Hi I have a technical question ... I know there is phones with 2 sim-cards ... I acctually don't know how they work but I would like to know if it would be possible to use the n900 with another sim-card. I am thinking a of virtual image of the other sim as a device. This would probably have some narly possibilities as to having a sim for different providers which offer free calls to their network |
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| 07:50.34 | vltR | is extras repo working right now? still getting error when refreshing :/ |
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| 08:54.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | nslu2-log: ? |
| 08:54.13 | DocScrutinizer2 | nslu2-log: info |
| 08:54.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | nslu2-log: help |
| 08:54.34 | DocScrutinizer2 | nslu2-log: status |
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| 08:55.53 | DocScrutinizer2 | povbot`: ? |
| 08:55.53 | povbot` | DocScrutinizer2: Error: "?" is not a valid command. |
| 08:56.01 | DocScrutinizer2 | povbot`: info |
| 08:56.01 | povbot` | DocScrutinizer2: Error: "info" is not a valid command. |
| 08:56.04 | Stskeeps | povbot takes care of the normal logging |
| 08:56.07 | DocScrutinizer2 | povbot`: help |
| 08:56.08 | povbot` | DocScrutinizer2: (help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin. |
| 08:56.29 | johnx | ~lart major software devs for not agreeing what ctrl+w means |
| 08:56.29 | infobot | executes killall -KILL major software devs for not agreeing what ctrl+w means |
| 08:56.38 | DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: checking robots for correct info about their site and master |
| 08:56.39 | johnx | suitable |
| 08:56.42 | johnx | ~botsnack |
| 08:56.42 | infobot | johnx: aw, gee |
| 08:57.26 | DocScrutinizer2 | Stskeeps: just not kicking povbot and nslu as I *know* them |
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| 09:01.10 | DocScrutinizer2 | temp: what's up with your nick and registration? |
| 09:01.32 | merlin1991 | damn you johnx, I tried what ctrl + w is in xchat D |
| 09:01.49 | johnx | why do you think I left and came back like 3 times |
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| 09:02.30 | johnx | ctrl+w is 'delete word' in bash, and firefox on mac, it's switch window in vim, and close window in most linux stuff |
| 09:02.56 | johnx | >_< |
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| 09:05.14 | DocScrutinizer2 | delete word(s) is easy with ctr-shift-left - then bs |
| 09:05.52 | johnx | I try to stay off the cursor keys |
| 09:06.05 | DocScrutinizer2 | why that? |
| 09:06.12 | johnx | have to move off the home row |
| 09:06.24 | DocScrutinizer2 | lol |
| 09:06.54 | DocScrutinizer2 | for ctrl-shift-left you actually have to do by far nastier things |
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| 09:07.47 | johnx | errr, ctrl-shift isn't too bad |
| 09:07.49 | DocScrutinizer2 | esp on N900 |
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| 09:08.00 | johnx | heh. well there's that :) |
| 09:08.10 | johnx | I don't spend all day typing on my N900 (blessedly) |
| 09:09.00 | DocScrutinizer2 | I wouldn't have expected you're concerned about homerow on N900, though it took a while till I realized that |
| 09:09.12 | johnx | ahaha |
| 09:09.57 | johnx | gets back to micro-optimizing his thumb typing, and practicing DVORAK on his N900 |
| 09:10.11 | DocScrutinizer2 | duh :-O |
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| 09:14.58 | DocScrutinizer2 | I still hit 'm' instead ' ' on N900, as my thumbs haven't yet forgotten the N810. Switching to dvorak - can't imagine |
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| 09:15.40 | johnx | I still miss the Zaurus 5500's layout ... |
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| 09:16.58 | johnx | also: we've taken waaaay too long circling back from Trolltech/Qtopia on the Zaurus to Nokia-Trolltech/Qt on Meego |
| 09:17.19 | johnx | feels like we could have done less than half of the API breaks |
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| 09:24.30 | DocScrutinizer2 | :nod: |
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| 09:26.48 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: SIM access is direct hw interface from modem to card holder. There's few you can do from linux domain |
| 09:27.42 | smooph | DocScrutinizer: I thought so, I wonder why ;) |
| 09:28.38 | DocScrutinizer | because this is a Nokia device and not Openmoko GTA04 ;-P |
| 09:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | For GTA04 I designed 6 'eavesdropping' GPIO from SoC to SIM holder. This would've allowed to do such things you think of |
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| 09:32.32 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: but for emulating / cloning a SIM you first have to read out the secret crypto key from a valid SIM, and that's not simple or even impossible nowadays with contemporary SIM hw |
| 09:34.50 | smooph | yeah I just thought it be really nice ... to have something like carrier specific contacts ... call jim(tmobile) with your tmobile sim = charge 0$ ... call judy (vodafone) with voda sim ... and so on |
| 09:35.37 | DocScrutinizer | you regularly need multi-SIM hardware to do this |
| 09:36.26 | DocScrutinizer | SIMs can't be copied or emulated (short story) |
| 09:37.31 | smooph | yeah I just thought ... anything can be cloned whatever the encryption might be |
| 09:37.47 | smooph | well just an idea |
| 09:41.54 | DocScrutinizer | smooph: SIM isn't a simple (maybe encrypted) data storage, it's a processor that's answering a challenge-response authentication scheme. This isn't easily cloneable |
| 09:42.47 | DocScrutinizer | you usually can not read out the cryptographic key that's used to generate the response form challenge |
| 09:43.05 | DocScrutinizer | from* |
| 09:44.40 | smooph | understand |
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| 10:01.28 | crashanddie | "What happens in the smartcard, stays in the smartcard" |
| 10:01.42 | secyritas | :D |
| 10:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | except RF emissions and power line modulations :-P |
| 10:06.56 | crashanddie | docscrutinizer: have you seen the latest GnD smartcard which uses an optocoupler for data transfer so that there is no leak? |
| 10:07.25 | DocScrutinizer | they hacked the 'old' SIMs by closely observing power consumption and timing of response, and - using this info together with known details of hw and algo implementation - deduced the key from that, iirc |
| 10:07.26 | crashanddie | it can also use a small built-in battery which provides up to 20 seconds of power so that the smartcard can do computations without being influenced |
| 10:08.19 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: heh, no didn't realize yet |
| 10:08.26 | crashanddie | don't know if this is public data yet so shouldn't talk about it. |
| 10:09.31 | DocScrutinizer | GnD == Gaerke & Devrient ? |
| 10:10.09 | crashanddie | Giesecke and Devrient? |
| 10:10.25 | crashanddie | I still have one of their microSD smartcards |
| 10:10.27 | DocScrutinizer | something yeah |
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| 10:10.41 | crashanddie | pretty cool stuff, working on getting a browser on Android to use the certs on the card for SSLv3 |
| 10:11.16 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 10:11.49 | crashanddie | for a long time, I wanted to work something out so that I could use bluetooth to unlock a computer, just by presenting my phone to it |
| 10:12.13 | crashanddie | and thus using the certificates for session unlock, but I just never had the time to write a bluetooth-to-sc bridge |
| 10:12.20 | crashanddie | (on the windows side) |
| 10:13.23 | crashanddie | too many ideas, not enough time... |
| 10:14.34 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: now go figure - new german ID has 'smartcard' built in for auth over IT, but they missed the obvious chance to have a printed capacitive numeric keyboard on device (= ID card) to enter the PIN in a safe way |
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| 10:18.29 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Are there already photo's availible of zapped ID cards? I heard you can use the microwave to break the rfid chip. |
| 10:18.32 | DocScrutinizer | so every single terminal where you use that ID to authenticate yourself can keylog the PIN for every ID card used there |
| 10:18.56 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: sure you can, bt why would you do that? |
| 10:19.32 | DocScrutinizer | you have to pay a fsckng $$ on top of a ID card without that function |
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| 10:21.52 | corecode | meh |
| 10:22.07 | crashanddie | docscrutinizer it's the main issue with smartcards at the moment, you have to trust the terminal to be perfectly safe. The day there is a worm that goes on those terminals and logs PIN codes the whole industry is going to go down like a stack of cards |
| 10:22.22 | tobis87 | DocScrutinizer: Well, I don't like the idea to carry a chip with me, which can get activated remotely with my fingerprints on them, at least on the passport I think fingerprints are stored. |
| 10:22.40 | crashanddie | or at least be seriously hurt. For a long time I've been pushing my old company's CTO to invest in a card that could do the whole PIN challenging on-board rather than on-terminal. |
| 10:23.02 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: that's a completely different story |
| 10:24.13 | DocScrutinizer | storage of biometric parameters on ID cards and passports has nothing to do with the authentication you can get now for new ID cards |
| 10:25.08 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: on board means have MMI on the card, no? |
| 10:25.52 | DocScrutinizer | as I assume the actual calculation of auth algo is done on board anyway |
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| 10:27.31 | crashanddie | MMI? |
| 10:27.36 | crashanddie | going for food |
| 10:27.55 | DocScrutinizer | (hmm, a capacitive 1Mpixel fingerprint scanner also should be easily implementable on a smartcard) |
| 10:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | Man Machine Interface |
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| 10:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | for a display e-ink is the technology of choice I guess |
| 10:30.18 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, are you talking about fleshlight again? |
| 10:30.48 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: definitely err... probably not. What's fleshlight |
| 10:31.07 | lcuk | ahem, a man machine interface |
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| 10:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | you can call it HID if you like that better than MMI |
| 10:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: we're talking about smartcards - what they are now, and what they *should* be like |
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| 10:35.38 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: enetering PIN (or any other means of user authenticating to the smartcard) should not rely on the terminal hw - even less it should need special software on a ISA PC |
| 10:36.06 | RST38h | suggests Hardware User Interface |
| 10:36.07 | DocScrutinizer | or *any* sw for that behalf |
| 10:36.21 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: read backscroll |
| 10:37.06 | DocScrutinizer | printed capacitive numeric kbd is pretty simple to implement on a smartcard |
| 10:37.26 | RST38h | Doc: Definitely Hardware User Interface, |
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| 10:37.59 | RST38h | smartcards that accept user input already exist though, I have seen them in the news |
| 10:38.07 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 10:38.46 | DocScrutinizer | pondering about accoustic feedback from card, using piezo effects in the card itself |
| 10:39.10 | DocScrutinizer | damn, another 3 patents spoiled :-P |
| 10:39.23 | tobis87 | Why do we need a new authentication method with the ID anyway? There are already machine readable characters on the front which could get used for authentication. The whole idea seems to me as useless as the new eBrief. |
| 10:39.28 | mece | 'ello |
| 10:39.47 | DocScrutinizer | probably I'd be rich if I would visit a lawyer instead of IRCing all day XP |
| 10:40.18 | mece | Stskeeps, so no more prebuilt images for meego on N900? |
| 10:40.26 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: authetication != identification |
| 10:40.44 | Stskeeps | mece: repo.meego.com now :) |
| 10:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | != readout of a few data from a piece of plastic |
| 10:40.56 | Stskeeps | mece: prebuilt images go on, just not from tablets-dev as we don't need no pesky EULA |
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| 10:45.16 | mece | Stskeeps, aaah now I found it. I was browsing around repo.meego.com but couldn't find the images at first. |
| 10:46.17 | Stskeeps | meego-handset-armv7l-n900 |
| 10:47.22 | FIQ|n900 | o hai linux guys, any idea of a pretty lightweight but still usable linux distro for portable using? (placing on a usb stick) |
| 10:47.40 | jacekowski | make your own(tm) |
| 10:47.56 | FIQ|n900 | Ah, the greatest of them all! |
| 10:48.09 | FIQ|n900 | but seriously, my linux experience is too small for it |
| 10:48.22 | jacekowski | i have gentoo based distro on my 2G sony microvault |
| 10:48.36 | FIQ|n900 | hm, ok |
| 10:48.40 | jacekowski | micro vault tiny* |
| 10:49.00 | mece | Still, I think I'll wait for xterm and browser to work. :) |
| 10:49.07 | jacekowski | http://static.skattertech.com/media/2006/07/microvaulttiny.jpg |
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| 10:49.24 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Today is release day, correct? |
| 10:49.52 | DocScrutinizer | DamnSmallLinux (some 50MB) |
| 10:50.07 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes, it's on repo.meego.com |
| 10:50.07 | FIQ|n900 | Yeah, though about that |
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| 10:50.42 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Did I miss the release announcement, or has it not gone out yet? |
| 10:50.54 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: it usually comes day after when QA has verified |
| 10:51.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Ah, cool |
| 10:51.09 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: and this is like rc1 or something.. |
| 10:51.10 | FIQ|n900 | But i've heard that it isn't a nice distro for using, it's something you just use to got some power from small machines |
| 10:51.21 | FIQ|n900 | Or will it actually be customizeable without installing tons of libs? |
| 10:51.29 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
| 10:51.34 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: So http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/trunk/1.0.90.4.20100928.1/handset/images/meego-handset-armv7l-n900/ is this week's? |
| 10:51.42 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: think so |
| 10:51.47 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Cool, thanks |
| 10:52.08 | FIQ|n900 | Still, 50MB for a DE, some usable applications, is pretty good |
| 10:52.17 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: if you have a stick >=2GB, you're probably free to install whatever desktop distro you like. Or have a look at Knoppix |
| 10:52.50 | FIQ|n900 | Well, i've a 16GB used for N900, but i will preferally use a card that is 1GB |
| 10:52.57 | FIQ|n900 | so yea.. |
| 10:53.02 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: The comment about "we might remove email from 1.1" was a little worrying in terms of dogfooding :-/ |
| 10:53.22 | FIQ|n900 | I could go and buy an USB stick, but still |
| 10:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.knopper.net/knoppix/ |
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| 10:54.07 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Does this include the modem code? |
| 10:54.13 | tobis87 | FIQ|n900: Distro for the desktop or the n900? |
| 10:54.17 | Stskeeps | Jaffa: yes |
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| 10:55.26 | FIQ|n900 | tobis87: desktop but portable |
| 10:55.34 | FIQ|n900 | ä |
| 10:55.37 | sivang | Stskeeps: almost done with backing up, reflashin so I will hopefull be able to start testing the image mysefl as well :) Expect bugs |
| 10:55.42 | FIQ|n900 | er, -a |
| 10:55.46 | FIQ|n900 | brb |
| 10:56.25 | tobis87 | FIQ|n900: TinyMe is a nice distro, it copies the whole image to ram (copy2ram) |
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| 10:56.46 | lardman | morning chaps |
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| 10:56.55 | DocScrutinizer | lo lardman |
| 10:57.01 | lardman | hey Doc |
| 10:57.30 | lardman | I was browsing the Maemo.org news page, and saw this: http://www.allaboutmeego.com/features/item/12145_Indoor_Location-Future_tech_fr.php |
| 10:57.36 | lardman | any thoughts as to how it works? |
| 10:58.07 | lardman | only one transmitter apparently, and using either WiFi or BT (at least no new hw needed and in the 2.4GHz range) |
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| 10:58.24 | Qhubekela | hello |
| 10:58.36 | lardman | hi Qhubekela |
| 10:59.16 | Qhubekela | i just got here from the Maemo wiki |
| 10:59.48 | merlin1991 | lucky for you you didn't say I just got here from tmo ;) |
| 10:59.52 | Jaffa | Stskeeps: Exciting |
| 11:00.21 | Duckboot | Stskeeps: Where is the test logs again? |
| 11:00.44 | Stskeeps | Duckboot: forum.meego.com , look at the n900 preview thread |
| 11:00.46 | Stskeeps | we refer to them there |
| 11:00.52 | Duckboot | Stskeeps: Thanks |
| 11:01.01 | FIQ|n900 | <tobis87> FIQ|n900: TinyMe is a nice distro, it copies the whole image to ram (copy2ram) |
| 11:01.41 | FIQ|n900 | That feature wouldn't suite me that well as i want to actually store things as well |
| 11:01.54 | FIQ|n900 | (it's question about an USB stick, not a live CD) |
| 11:04.02 | Qhubekela | how does TinyMe compare with DSL? |
| 11:04.04 | tobis87 | FIQ|n900: It should be possible to install it onto a USB stick as well, I like that it uses LXDE |
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| 11:05.36 | ghostcube | ehlo :) |
| 11:06.34 | FIQ|n900 | <tobis87> FIQ|n900: It should be possible to install it onto a USB stick as well, I like that it uses LXDE |
| 11:06.49 | FIQ|n900 | and disable the copy2ram thing as well? nice |
| 11:06.51 | ghostcube | hmmm i gto my urpo and vlc-remote working now, knots client drive me nuts lulz |
| 11:07.11 | ghostcube | ah and i noticed smplayer cant play mp4 but kmplayer can do so. |
| 11:07.15 | FIQ|n900 | lxde is nice indeed |
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| 11:09.10 | tobis87 | FIQ|n900: Well you can choose to copy to ram or not on boot... But I have not tried it to install onto a usb stick, I used it to convert an existing partition to sw raid. |
| 11:09.25 | FIQ|n900 | ah, ok |
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| 11:10.32 | lcuk | lardman, there has to be >1 for triangulation, they afaik only show one photo of one such transmittor |
| 11:10.45 | lcuk | its similar to the location stuff we all discussed a while ago |
| 11:11.00 | lardman | lcuk: indeed, but the author says he was told that only one transmitter is required |
| 11:11.18 | lardman | you could get away with one, as long as it was directional |
| 11:11.28 | lardman | radials like aircraft use |
| 11:12.10 | lcuk | i suppose if you also used the compass |
| 11:12.12 | lardman | i.e. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VHF_omnidirectional_range |
| 11:12.33 | lardman | lcuk: yeah, but you can't know the angle at which the signal comes to you |
| 11:12.48 | lardman | unless the signal encodes the angle, like a VOR |
| 11:13.00 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: duh, it's 'cheating' paired with a really fuzzy article about what it actually does. I am raher sure it's a MIMO WLAN AP that uses special signal processing to analyze position of mobile WLAN *transmitter* based on reflections and differences from multiple directional antennae |
| 11:13.03 | nidO | you can, the signal itself can transmit the angle it's being broadcast at |
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| 11:13.31 | nidO | the opposite of that + location of the box also being broadcast + calculation of strength of signal = position of device |
| 11:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: so the whole positioning calulations are not done in MT but in AP, I'm absolutely sure |
| 11:13.47 | lardman | nid0: exactly, but the signal has to encode the angle |
| 11:14.23 | lardman | docscrutinizer: so that is effectively a single box with directional transmitters pointing in different directions? |
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| 11:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: mobile sends a WLAN signal, AP compares the signals with a huge table of references obtained from a previous calibration |
| 11:15.02 | lardman | oh I see |
| 11:15.05 | DocScrutinizer | nope, directional receivers |
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| 11:15.11 | lardman | so like some of the more advanced AGPS stuff |
| 11:15.50 | lcuk | hmmm DocScrutinizer that doesnt sound right |
| 11:16.09 | DocScrutinizer | like determining position of a Lion (or whatever) by receiving signal of a collar |
| 11:16.21 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: mhm? |
| 11:17.42 | lcuk | well since clientside localised trangulation based on signals is a "trivial" calculation, it seems overly complex to re build it to work backwards |
| 11:17.44 | lardman | how much info can the chipset obtain about the signal to be able to identify it? |
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| 11:18.21 | lardman | lcuk: yeah but only one transmitter (box) and also multipath/variable attenuation because of indoors-ness |
| 11:18.26 | lcuk | but i suppose the easiest is to mail them and request clarification |
| 11:18.44 | lcuk | lardman, the tx box is high in the ceiling |
| 11:18.48 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: there's extremely simple indoor localisation based on signal strength of several AP in same building. But that's not what the article says |
| 11:19.02 | lardman | there it was, but the blurb reckons it would work inside a normal building |
| 11:19.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: true triangulation MT receiver based is an extremely complicated thing and needs special hardware. That's also not what the article says |
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| 11:20.20 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, ahem - gps calculations are done client side |
| 11:20.42 | lcuk | and thats extremely complicated and multipoint traingulation |
| 11:20.43 | lardman | dedicated hw |
| 11:20.58 | DocScrutinizer | comparing the actual signals of the antennae of a MIMO AP with some reference you got during a calibration phase is rather simple and should work with a single AP |
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| 11:21.47 | lcuk | in other matters, jaffa i spotted this which relates in some way to the haptics improvements for gtk we talked about http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn19510-nokia-sets-its-sights-on-a-real-touchscreen.html |
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| 11:23.23 | lardman | perhaps video is not the best medium to explain that one :) |
| 11:23.45 | lcuk | heh |
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| 11:29.42 | Jaffa | lcuk: Yeah, I saw. Very cool. |
| 11:37.48 | DocScrutinizer | hrmhrm, haptic improvements for gtk? o.O |
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| 11:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | ohnoes, another concept planned for GTA04 now hits markets from another manufacturer |
| 11:42.09 | kerio | grand theft auto? |
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| 11:46.15 | lardman | hmm, /me reads article saying that Ovi Maps is far less hungry than Google Maps |
| 11:46.40 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: there's no absolutely confirmed story about what GTA meant in Openmoko |
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| 11:46.47 | lardman | probably because it's always spinning the CPU keeping itself and the task switcher busy |
| 11:46.54 | DocScrutinizer | but for sure not grand theft auto |
| 11:47.19 | pexi | lardman, so whot, gps eats battery anyway :) |
| 11:47.53 | DocScrutinizer | eats batteries |
| 11:47.58 | DocScrutinizer | for breakfast |
| 11:47.59 | lardman | pexi: yeah, but saying it;s less hungry, which presumably means bandwidth/battery/cpu is quite amusing seeing how crap Ovi Maps is on the N900 |
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| 11:48.22 | pexi | lardman, true dat :) |
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| 11:49.33 | pexi | they showed only blank towns @ balkan :) |
| 11:49.33 | lardman | I do hope Meego improves the maps and calendar stakes as these are two of the main things I do with the phone and they are rubbish |
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| 11:49.41 | pexi | gladly i had paper map with me :) |
| 11:49.49 | Appiah | does OVI maps have turn by turn now? |
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| 11:49.58 | lardman | Appiah: on Symbian iirc |
| 11:49.59 | Jaffa | lardman: The calendar's not *too* bad. |
| 11:50.06 | Appiah | I mean on the n900 |
| 11:50.10 | maybeWTF | Appiah: yes, but without voice directions |
| 11:50.11 | lardman | Jaffa: it works, but it's not very user friendly |
| 11:50.18 | Appiah | aah |
| 11:50.26 | pexi | how can you get reliable two-way calendar syncing work? |
| 11:50.31 | ilius | Recaller sound quallity is not good for you? |
| 11:50.39 | lardman | Jaffa: could be much better and quite easily. And yeah I could write my own but I really don't have the time |
| 11:51.13 | pexi | i have tried emergin/exchange/kimi with google calendar <> n900 calendar |
| 11:51.20 | pexi | nothing really works fluently |
| 11:53.27 | lardman | I don;t care too much about exchange, I'd just like it to look nicer, have more flexibility over event alarms, etc. |
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| 11:55.48 | pupnik | lardman: for barcode recognition, is there a stage where you normalize the contrast of the region dected to be a barcode? (throwing out the rest of the image) |
| 11:56.00 | pupnik | detected |
| 11:56.04 | lardman | pupnik: is handled by zbar |
| 11:56.15 | pupnik | ah ty |
| 11:56.34 | lardman | but yeah there probably will be |
| 11:57.07 | pupnik | so i might have a chance with a low-contrast barcode? or fat luck... |
| 11:57.17 | lardman | may be |
| 11:57.20 | pupnik | it makes reflections so much worse... |
| 11:57.33 | lardman | if not have a chat to spadix in #zbar |
| 11:57.43 | pupnik | ah thanks |
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| 12:37.29 | sivang | re |
| 12:37.35 | sivang | is on the train |
| 12:38.47 | pupnik | hi |
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| 12:40.19 | sivang | hey pupnik , 'sup? |
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| 12:45.08 | ShadowJK | This is pretty interesting. I have a dd image of a USB flash disk that has been used in my sheevaplug for awhile. It failed a few weeks ago. However, the interesting thing is that I used ext3, and never ran fsck |
| 12:45.18 | ShadowJK | when I now run fsck, I get alot of file corruption.. |
| 12:45.25 | ShadowJK | Without fsck, it looks fine :) |
| 12:45.39 | Stskeeps | heh |
| 12:45.47 | ShadowJK | flash is really evil :) |
| 12:46.00 | kerio | woo! sheevaplug! |
| 12:46.36 | kerio | my sheevaplug zeroed a 4gb SD while it has the "lock" switch set to lock |
| 12:46.38 | kerio | :) |
| 12:46.41 | kerio | *had |
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| 12:54.13 | sivang | someone should tell marvel about it :) |
| 12:54.37 | pupnik | i would like faster flash drives |
| 12:54.57 | n900evil | I want my car back on the road. |
| 12:55.12 | n900evil | is now known as busevil. |
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| 12:56.27 | lardman | busevil...? Modern bus with computer built in I wonder...? |
| 12:57.10 | n900evil | running meego. |
| 12:57.21 | lardman | of course ;) |
| 12:58.03 | n900evil | You climb out through the window. This is a result of the innovative package manager. |
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| 12:59.44 | lardman | curses HAM for making me wait for things to be installed/uninstalled rather than letting me look at other things |
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| 12:59.59 | mgedmin | You push the STOP button. The bus is busy swapping so it ignores you for a couple of kilometers |
| 13:00.20 | lardman | :) |
| 13:00.49 | lardman | also if the bus is backed up, you may not get swapped out when you want |
| 13:01.11 | n900evil | swap fragmentation is bad. |
| 13:02.13 | defragger | is it possible to create my own .desktop file to open osso-xterm with some commands like ssh servername? |
| 13:02.18 | lardman | does anyone know how QThread prevents me using widget classes within its run() method? |
| 13:02.28 | ShadowJK | It's possible. fmboost basically does this |
| 13:02.32 | lardman | defragger: .desktop to a script |
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| 13:02.47 | satmd | ShadowJK: corrupted superblock? try anothe copy with fsck |
| 13:02.47 | defragger | ah ok i will try that |
| 13:02.57 | defragger | with terminal true right/ |
| 13:03.04 | ShadowJK | satmd, superblock was fine |
| 13:03.19 | ShadowJK | satmd, the fun thing is that I get all data back fine when i DONT run fsck |
| 13:03.26 | ShadowJK | if I run fsck, data starts getting corrupted :) |
| 13:04.49 | mgedmin | are you running fsck on a mounted partition, ShadowJK? |
| 13:04.53 | ShadowJK | no |
| 13:05.12 | sx0n | lardman, because ui runs in main thread? |
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| 13:06.47 | lardman | I know why you shouldn't do it, just wondering if I can access members of a widget-derived class without penalty - I guess so |
| 13:07.02 | lardman | well I'll try it and see anyway |
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| 13:29.27 | dRbiG | o'right now someone point me to where Maemo keeps the magic file with [Desktop Entry] stuff ;) |
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| 13:30.45 | ghostcube | hmmm is it safe to install the custom libsoup for knots2 or is there any devel version of it with ssl support? |
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| 13:34.08 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon/ |
| 13:34.13 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/applications/hildon-home for widgets |
| 13:36.41 | dRbiG | MohammadAG: googled that already but thank you... however, i have an issue that when i for example open the add desktop shortcut menu i have some items listed two times (doubled), like they were defined in to places - which is annoying - any idea where a 'master list' of apps can be stored? |
| 13:36.54 | dRbiG | and it still seems that when i uninstall catorise i get only 14 icons |
| 13:37.14 | dRbiG | this time looks like some list is half empty or broken |
| 13:37.54 | dRbiG | all started after uninstalling mymenu which was way worse than catorise |
| 13:38.36 | dRbiG | i wish there was some way to categorize the apps the way i like from the gui |
| 13:38.45 | dRbiG | even simple category approach of palmos would be much better |
| 13:39.17 | dRbiG | than either having all thrown at once or some categories made by someone which i do not agree with |
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| 14:03.46 | flexxxv | Hy; I'm trying to use the EFF script from here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62731 |
| 14:04.09 | flexxxv | But I get all the time: sh: -eq: argument expected |
| 14:04.57 | flexxxv | here is the pastebin: http://pastebin.com/xwXMDAte |
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| 14:16.07 | VenemoN900 | Hey guys |
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| 14:21.24 | mgedmin | pwsafe's add icon is broken |
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| 14:27.43 | flexxxv | her is a log: http://pastebin.com/sSANspyY |
| 14:27.58 | flexxxv | could it be that EFF is broken because of hostmode? |
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| 14:29.39 | MohammadAG | where did you get that script? |
| 14:31.15 | flexxxv | here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62731 |
| 14:31.34 | flexxxv | It should be for automatic scanning of frequencies |
| 14:31.46 | kerio | WARNING: You must type "root" NOT "sudo gainroot" or else......dont worry it wont brick your N900 but you will get many many errors and you will have to restart your phone. |
| 14:31.47 | kerio | wtf |
| 14:31.56 | kerio | i wouldn't touch that with a 10 feet pole |
| 14:33.03 | flexxxv | kerio: some peoplel had success with that |
| 14:33.26 | flexxxv | kerio: and root and sudo gainroot are not exactly the same |
| 14:33.34 | kerio | they... are |
| 14:33.38 | MohammadAG | for fuck's sake |
| 14:33.41 | MohammadAG | kerio, no |
| 14:33.43 | kerio | cat `which root` |
| 14:33.47 | MohammadAG | indent your code people! |
| 14:33.55 | MohammadAG | seriously |
| 14:33.59 | MohammadAG | kerio, they're not the same |
| 14:34.05 | MohammadAG | in ways I don't know about |
| 14:34.16 | MohammadAG | but root has env variables set properly, dbus-send works fine with it |
| 14:34.22 | MohammadAG | with sudo gainroot some shit doesn't work |
| 14:34.31 | kerio | it makes no sense |
| 14:34.31 | MohammadAG | like dbus-send, themes etc... |
| 14:34.33 | MohammadAG | I know |
| 14:34.39 | kerio | "root" is just a shell script that does sudo gainroot |
| 14:34.57 | flexxxv | but it use "--use-su" |
| 14:35.01 | ghostcube | root is set by flashing maemo with a special option or? |
| 14:35.05 | kerio | oh, that's it then |
| 14:35.07 | MohammadAG | rootsh |
| 14:35.13 | ghostcube | so you have a real root |
| 14:35.51 | kerio | so "root" doesn't make a full root login |
| 14:36.06 | kerio | and by "root" i mean "sudo gainroot --use-su" |
| 14:36.14 | quanttrom | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:37.10 | quanttrom | <PROTECTED> |
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| 14:37.49 | flexxxv | anyway that discussion wont make the script run :D so someone her can see whats wrong? |
| 14:38.40 | kerio | seeing MohammadAG's indignation at the lack of indentation, i expect a better script that runs in half the time that gives better results in about 20 minutes |
| 14:38.51 | kerio | unless he's busy |
| 14:39.11 | kerio | MohammadAG: that guy also asks for donations |
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| 14:40.50 | MohammadAG | zenity's a bit meh |
| 14:41.15 | flexxxv | :D I just was confused by this line in debug mode: " + expr 60 hostmode.py vboost.sh 1" so i'll wait to see what happens. If nothing I maybe should try to compile this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=759219&postcount=82 |
| 14:41.40 | flexxxv | maybe a better way... |
| 14:42.59 | flexxxv | @MohammadAG I think the author is thinking about building a c++ app. instead of using zenity |
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| 14:43.59 | kerio | MohammadAG: hurry! |
| 14:44.06 | kerio | write it in c++/qt |
| 14:44.21 | flexxxv | lol :P |
| 14:46.00 | DocScrutinizer | you're a crazy mad bunch |
| 14:46.17 | mgedmin | what the? |
| 14:46.20 | mgedmin | you call that a script? |
| 14:46.33 | mgedmin | it's a mish-mash of a script and a copy/paste of its output when run with sh -x |
| 14:46.54 | kerio | heh |
| 14:47.01 | kerio | there's the real source in the TMO thread |
| 14:47.05 | flexxxv | mgedmin: define script ;) or ask the author :P |
| 14:47.36 | MohammadAG | kerio, cba |
| 14:47.44 | MohammadAG | though I indented the code, I hate ugly code |
| 14:48.04 | mgedmin | oh noe, the indentation hate is in the original as well |
| 14:48.27 | kerio | damn, i failed to consider the cba factor :( |
| 14:49.18 | MohammadAG | # Copyright (c) 2010 OEM LTD (HE99116) # <--???? |
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| 14:50.04 | jaska | peculiar company name |
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| 14:53.23 | lardman | What do you chaps think I should use as a notification that mBarcode is currently scanning? |
| 14:53.56 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: fs corruption by fsck is a commonly known side effect of mounting the physical device of a VFAT partition as superfloppy |
| 14:53.57 | lcuk | lardman, is the UI visible at the time? |
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| 14:54.07 | lardman | yep |
| 14:54.09 | flexxxv | easiest way to compile armel without setting up a scratchbox? (just one file for a small test) |
| 14:54.25 | MohammadAG | paste the code for someone else to compile it |
| 14:54.37 | lcuk | lardman, does the UI update the camera image whilst scanning in not in progress? |
| 14:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: use blinkenlights? |
| 14:55.07 | flexxxv | ok I boot the other pc with scratchbox... |
| 14:55.08 | MohammadAG | LOL was typing that |
| 14:55.39 | lardman | yeah, only problem is that your hand tends to be over the blinkedlights |
| 14:56.37 | lardman | I was thinking a Cylon-style blip moving back and forth along the "aim here" bar |
| 14:56.50 | ShadowJK | that's what symbian does |
| 14:56.59 | ShadowJK | and then it draws a rectangle around barcode |
| 14:56.59 | DocScrutinizer | so it must be wrong |
| 14:57.32 | lardman | ShadowJK: I'll do the drawing eventually, but I need to get the libraries to output that data, so probably not a job for this afternoon |
| 14:58.18 | lardman | in the meantime is there a stock way of sticking a message up on the screen? |
| 14:58.19 | lardman | Qt |
| 14:58.20 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: btw mbarcode fails epically for me, when used without 'autofocus' checkmarked, which in fact seems to mean autocapture |
| 14:58.43 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: you need to half press the shutter button to get it to focus |
| 14:58.52 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, and then? |
| 14:59.01 | lardman | and then point at the barcode |
| 14:59.06 | DocScrutinizer | then? |
| 14:59.21 | lardman | when it detects something it will bring up a results window |
| 14:59.27 | DocScrutinizer | fails |
| 14:59.32 | MohammadAG | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:59.32 | lardman | what's the barcode? |
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| 14:59.40 | DocScrutinizer | tested several |
| 14:59.45 | lardman | MohammadAG: thanks, will take a look at that |
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| 14:59.51 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: low light? |
| 14:59.57 | DocScrutinizer | yep, somewhat |
| 15:00.04 | lardman | are these 1D codes? |
| 15:00.08 | MohammadAG | facebrick's source is ftw to learn Qt from :P |
| 15:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | some where |
| 15:00.26 | lardman | the 1D code doesn't like low light, needs improving |
| 15:00.40 | MohammadAG | what's the C++ equivalent of while true; do echo 255 > brightness; done |
| 15:00.41 | lardman | try a QR code though, those work well all the time (yay for derf!) |
| 15:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | mhm |
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| 15:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | strange thing is, with autofocus it works like a charm |
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| 15:01.29 | lardman | that is strange |
| 15:01.42 | lardman | does the autofocus turn the flash on? |
| 15:01.46 | Milo- | any way of using physical keyboard when n900 boots up and asks for pin or lock code? |
| 15:02.01 | DocScrutinizer | except on low light, where flash fails boldly due to overexposure |
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| 15:02.25 | lardman | just wondering if the fact the focus assist is coming on it giving it a better image to work with |
| 15:02.31 | Termana | MohammadAG, while (true) { system("echo 255 > brightness") } |
| 15:02.33 | Termana | ? |
| 15:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, on lowlight it does, and then it mostly fails |
| 15:02.38 | Termana | err |
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| 15:02.50 | Termana | MohammadAG, while (true) { system("echo 255 > brightness"); } |
| 15:02.54 | lardman | DocScrutinizer: yeah |
| 15:02.59 | MohammadAG | that uses system() |
| 15:03.08 | Termana | so? :P |
| 15:03.37 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: fn(){fn; fn}; fn |
| 15:03.45 | MohammadAG | I said C++ equivalent of the code, not the C++ code to start a sh |
| 15:03.54 | MohammadAG | ~burn Termana |
| 15:03.54 | infobot | ACTION pours gasoline all over Termana, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze |
| 15:04.07 | MohammadAG | mmm, marshmallows |
| 15:04.39 | Termana | MohammadAG, well, I guess you could open the file and then write to the file in C++... not entirely sure weather it would work, but I guess it should |
| 15:04.39 | DocScrutinizer | shoots Termana with ashes of 500 burnt OMAP CPUs |
| 15:05.14 | crashanddie | mohammadAG: while (true) { ofstream of; of.open("brightness"); of << "255"; of.close; } |
| 15:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | starts to prepare a mass kick batch job |
| 15:06.44 | MohammadAG | saves crashanddie's code till he figures out how to use QFileSystemWatcher |
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| 15:07.05 | crashanddie | actually, make that of.open("brightness", ios::trunc); |
| 15:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | saves MohammadAG's last words |
| 15:07.25 | MohammadAG | kicks DocScrutinizer |
| 15:07.40 | crashanddie | slices mohammadAG's throat |
| 15:08.00 | lardman | hmm, is it possible to get rid of a QMaemo5InformationBox once displayed? |
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| 15:08.04 | Termana | ~nuke DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG and crashanddie |
| 15:08.05 | infobot | ACTION prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG and crashanddie ... B☢☢M! |
| 15:08.19 | MohammadAG | falls down and stabs crashanddie in the nuts |
| 15:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | you noobs forgot a nice -n -20 to make it really nasty. Always those halfassed terrorism attacks |
| 15:08.36 | crashanddie | lardman: .hide() |
| 15:09.30 | DocScrutinizer | nuking a few N900 won't free Palestine :-P |
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| 15:10.06 | CutMeOwnThroat | crashanddie! |
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| 15:10.29 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, but it might start a war in Germany :P |
| 15:10.36 | crashanddie | ? |
| 15:10.43 | CutMeOwnThroat | * crashanddie slices mohammadAG's throat |
| 15:10.45 | lardman | crashanddie: thanks |
| 15:10.45 | Termana | crashanddie isn't here crazy man |
| 15:10.47 | CutMeOwnThroat | tsk... tsk... |
| 15:10.53 | Termana | can I take a message for you? |
| 15:11.01 | merlin1991 | CutMeOwnThroat, dribbler? |
| 15:11.09 | CutMeOwnThroat | without the r, please |
| 15:11.26 | crashanddie | mohammadAG: they usually start theirs wars alone, every 20 years... They managed to keep quiet for 60 years, I'm guessing next week will see WW3 :D |
| 15:11.27 | merlin1991 | sry |
| 15:11.42 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 15:11.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: see stuxnet X-P |
| 15:12.07 | DocScrutinizer | we got better |
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| 15:12.22 | merlin1991 | for some reason I always write dribbler when I mean dibbler :) but the books are awesome |
| 15:12.23 | pupnik | some germans are trying to win the tablet war with linux+android |
| 15:12.40 | DocScrutinizer | first we sell Siemens SPS, then we nuke the atomic plants of enemy via the internets |
| 15:13.00 | crashanddie | my IRC screen is all red now :( |
| 15:13.16 | Termana | crashanddie, stop killing people |
| 15:13.20 | MohammadAG | just noticed Siemens sounds like semens |
| 15:13.33 | Termana | MohammadAG, sea men. |
| 15:13.40 | Termana | MohammadAG, see man. |
| 15:13.42 | crashanddie | mohammadAG: Try to imagine how it sucks to be a marine: "Listen, sea men!" |
| 15:13.49 | MohammadAG | LOL |
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| 15:14.27 | pupnik | gimme 4.5" 1024x600 (or similar) on next meego device |
| 15:14.40 | DocScrutinizer | mememe |
| 15:14.54 | crashanddie | now quickly spam the channel so this shit is removed from the screen |
| 15:15.12 | GAN900 | Fools |
| 15:15.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~chaninfo |
| 15:15.15 | infobot | I'm on 108 channels: #debian/896, #maemo/487, #meego/482, #kde/383, #asterisk/220, #gsoc/170, #oe/163, #wowace/161, #wowuidev/158, #htc-linux/155, #openmoko/155, #wowhead/123, #webos-internals/106, #openmoko-cdevel/104, #sc2mapster/96, #utah/68, #asterisk-dev/62, #tomcat/59, #bzflag/58, #uclibc/55, #curseforge/55, #wowwiki/50, #edev/49, #slug/43, #utos/42, #gllug/39, #elinux/37, #uphpu/35, #norganna/32, #ubuntu-us-ut/29, #asterisk-bugs/28, #/27, ... |
| 15:15.15 | infobot | i've cached 5148 users, 3694 unique users, distributed over 108 channels. |
| 15:15.19 | pupnik | i mean, really 1024, for web browsing.... |
| 15:15.20 | lardman | ~lart Ubuntu Lucid Lynx for not allowing me to mount my N900 |
| 15:15.20 | infobot | cuts Ubuntu Lucid Lynx into thin stripes for not allowing me to mount my N900 |
| 15:15.26 | Termana | ~kill pupnik |
| 15:15.26 | infobot | ACTION shoots a excited graviton gun at pupnik |
| 15:15.39 | Termana | ~cookieslap pupnik |
| 15:15.51 | pupnik | hm,m? |
| 15:15.57 | Termana | Someone needs to add a cookieslap command to infobot |
| 15:16.00 | pupnik | ~lart pupnik |
| 15:16.00 | infobot | pours hot grits down the front of pupnik's pants |
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| 15:16.42 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: aren't we good boys? ;-P |
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| 15:16.53 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: need some more spam? |
| 15:16.54 | pupnik | let's band together to form the "really annoying 1024x pixel res campaign" |
| 15:17.26 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I think so |
| 15:17.28 | Termana | ~help |
| 15:17.34 | DocScrutinizer | LOL |
| 15:17.38 | DocScrutinizer | falewale |
| 15:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell Termana about help |
| 15:18.02 | Termana | ~lobotomy DocScrutinizer |
| 15:18.02 | infobot | ACTION pulls out a rusty saw to perform a lobotomy on DocScrutinizer |
| 15:19.33 | DocScrutinizer | 's two personalities are still discussing how to answer that attack. Takes a while, have to read what I've just witten |
| 15:19.39 | DocScrutinizer | written* |
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| 15:20.46 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 15:20.46 | infobot | Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 96 modifications, 1352 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 604 commands. I have been awake for 13d 5h 22m 8s this session, and currently reference 117305 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 4348.22/109.89 child 0/0 |
| 15:21.28 | Termana | infobot, Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like? |
| 15:21.29 | DocScrutinizer | got nfc what 'morons: 0' means, anyway it doesn't look correct |
| 15:21.36 | timeless_pidgin | Sp3000 : please ask eero why bluetoothd is running on my n900 when bluetooth is off. |
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| 15:23.26 | flexxxv | is it normal that the include/media/si4713.h of the kernel headers is emty? |
| 15:23.32 | timeless_pidgin | Also, if someone could figure out the "proper" way to move 2gb of photos from an mmc to the n900's mass storage w/o having the system slow to a crawl, please let me know... |
| 15:23.36 | flexxxv | is it normal that the si4713.h of the kernel headers is emty? |
| 15:23.44 | flexxxv | sry wrong path |
| 15:24.31 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_pidgin: from a mc to n900? please elaborate |
| 15:25.22 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_pidgin: copying from microSD to eMMC is known to bring system to a grinding halt |
| 15:25.39 | timeless_pidgin | mv /media/mmc1/DCIM/*NIKON MyDocs/DCIM-card/ |
| 15:25.55 | DocScrutinizer | writing to eMMC via ass rage mode yields 11MB/s sustainably |
| 15:26.38 | timeless_pidgin | Is there a way to avoid the grinding halt? It kinda sucks... |
| 15:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | so it has to be a really nasty strange effect that only shows up when using uSD and eMMC interface concurrently |
| 15:27.22 | DocScrutinizer | no matter whether directly on system (cp) or via ass rage |
| 15:27.32 | timeless_pidgin | Each folder has 200 photos. And mv deletes a folder when it finishes copying it. |
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| 15:28.16 | DocScrutinizer | haven't found a way to copy huge amounts of data from uSD to eMMC the easy way |
| 15:28.43 | DocScrutinizer | uSD -> laptop /tmp -> MyDocs |
| 15:28.59 | timeless_pidgin | Would mv to $HOME first suck less? |
| 15:29.09 | DocScrutinizer | prolly not |
| 15:29.14 | DocScrutinizer | never tested though |
| 15:29.46 | timeless_pidgin | I don't really have a laptop with me... |
| 15:30.10 | DocScrutinizer | seems concurrent usage of both physical interfaces is somehow messing up the swap, by swapping out in favour of bufers, or sth |
| 15:30.37 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: try turning off swap |
| 15:30.41 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 15:30.41 | timeless_pidgin | Also would rsync from uSD to net suck less? Assume wifi/dsl |
| 15:30.46 | DocScrutinizer | was about to suggest that |
| 15:31.01 | timeless_pidgin | ? |
| 15:31.18 | DocScrutinizer | at least that wouldn't bring whole device to a frozen state I guess |
| 15:31.30 | DocScrutinizer | (suggest) swapoff |
| 15:31.51 | DocScrutinizer | or copy only small chunks at a time |
| 15:32.02 | DocScrutinizer | with syncs in between |
| 15:32.21 | DocScrutinizer | (wild guessing and handwaving) |
| 15:32.25 | ShadowJK | timeless_pidgin, try this before huge copiesL echo 1 >/proc/sys/vm/swappiness |
| 15:32.33 | ShadowJK | then back to 100 after copy |
| 15:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | goood point |
| 15:32.47 | DocScrutinizer | brilliant |
| 15:33.13 | kerio | or 0 |
| 15:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | also maybe don't use mv :-P |
| 15:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | instead better use cp |
| 15:33.26 | ShadowJK | 0 is dangerous |
| 15:33.38 | kerio | why? |
| 15:34.01 | ShadowJK | because you can run out of memory |
| 15:34.03 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: it will beam you to infinity alef 7 |
| 15:34.17 | ShadowJK | and thrn things go crazy |
| 15:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | if you calculate mem/swappiness |
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| 15:35.01 | timeless_pidgin | Why would cp be better? |
| 15:35.33 | DocScrutinizer | won't destroy your original data before you confirmed it has been synced to destination :-D |
| 15:35.50 | timeless_pidgin | Err |
| 15:36.05 | timeless_pidgin | Surely mv isn't dangerous? |
| 15:36.27 | DocScrutinizer | mv across phy devs is |
| 15:36.35 | ShadowJK | it all starts with emmc hating multitasking, and when you do big IO on emmc, there'll be like 6 concurrent datastreams, which the emmc is able to serve at a grand total of about 400kbyte/s ... |
| 15:36.41 | DocScrutinizer | if buffers are involved |
| 15:37.36 | timeless_pidgin | How pray tell do i confirm 2gb of photos have been properly copied, short of using rsync in the first place? |
| 15:37.51 | ShadowJK | That and kernel not knowing your big ass copy is "single use" and you couldn't care less if none of it ended up in ram |
| 15:37.57 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: mv thinks file has been cp'd to destination and purges original file, while actual data bitrots in buffers which never get synced |
| 15:39.00 | DocScrutinizer | dd it |
| 15:39.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 15:39.10 | crashanddie | sorry? |
| 15:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | nevermind |
| 15:40.22 | MohammadAG | wonders if buying his dad an iPhone 4 is a good thing |
| 15:40.38 | timeless_pidgin | Ok, how does swapoff -a work? |
| 15:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, best is a find ./whatever -exec "cp {} dest/; sync; " |
| 15:41.02 | timeless_pidgin | It's hanging. .. |
| 15:41.05 | MohammadAG | find on busybox doesn't support -exec |
| 15:41.34 | zash | MohammadAG: pipe to xargs? |
| 15:41.41 | DocScrutinizer | it swaps all out of storage back to ram, and fails if there's not enough memory |
| 15:41.44 | MohammadAG | I'm just saying |
| 15:42.03 | DocScrutinizer | if it succeeds, it finally disables the swap partition usage |
| 15:42.17 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: I know |
| 15:42.22 | DocScrutinizer | ~messybox |
| 15:42.22 | infobot | messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils |
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| 15:44.41 | MohammadAG | I have a feeling BLIZZARD doesn't have any idea about scripting |
| 15:44.57 | MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=62731&page=7 |
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| 15:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | wonders if posting tmo URLs is a ban'able behaviour |
| 15:45.58 | MohammadAG | no, but wondering about it is ban'able |
| 15:46.25 | flexxxv | MohammadAG: will try soon :D |
| 15:46.34 | MohammadAG | try what? |
| 15:46.39 | DocScrutinizer | no, posting fuzzy URLs that don't precisely point to a particular post is |
| 15:46.45 | MohammadAG | it's trying to read a non existent file |
| 15:47.00 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, then it means I'm referring to the page |
| 15:47.12 | MohammadAG | a script should check for a damn file |
| 15:47.21 | MohammadAG | and if something exits with 1, it shouldn't go on! |
| 15:48.16 | flexxxv | wait a second. wrong irc channel :P |
| 15:48.57 | flexxxv | I'm not BLIZZARD. Just to clarify this :P ;) |
| 15:49.15 | MohammadAG | well, duh |
| 15:50.10 | DocScrutinizer | WTF, function() defs interleaved with single main() lines. My footnails curl up |
| 15:50.52 | timeless_pidgin | You realize that i'm 80mb of ram in debt to swap |
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| 15:51.03 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, you should probably get the seen to by a doctor |
| 15:51.17 | Termana | that* |
| 15:51.40 | ShadowJK | timeless_pidgin, swapoff -a is probably not a good idea unless you've just rebooted |
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| 15:52.11 | flexxxv | I want to compile this: http://pastebin.com/3hUG6Eb7 but I'm a noob at c++ |
| 15:52.32 | flexxxv | cant solve the probs with si4713.h |
| 15:53.02 | DocScrutinizer | no, the dude placing the lines from >>#Temporary... to >>zenity... exactly where they are, this dude *really* should visit a specialist for neural impairment treetment |
| 15:53.13 | ShadowJK | I don't think swapoff can fail, it'll just get infinitely slower as it gets closer to the end :) |
| 15:53.43 | Termana | Apparently he shouldn't have done that |
| 15:53.44 | ShadowJK | (or maybe it crashes) |
| 15:53.45 | Termana | :P |
| 15:54.02 | ShadowJK | grr |
| 15:54.16 | flexxxv | So i need the si4713.h but it isn't included at the stock headers :( |
| 15:54.23 | ShadowJK | so my N900 briefly flashes the crossed out SIM icon and drops cellular data whenever I move around... |
| 15:54.30 | ShadowJK | tries pad the sim holder with a piece of paper |
| 15:54.44 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: swapoff can fail if there is not enough memory |
| 15:55.08 | jacekowski | flexxxv: why do you include si4713? |
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| 15:56.12 | DocScrutinizer | ouuuuch, a function called vars(). And it's doing non-reentrant crap like max=`expr $max \* 100` |
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| 15:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | call it twice and you got max=max*10000 |
| 15:57.11 | MohammadAG | flexxxv, code is C, not C++ |
| 15:57.19 | DocScrutinizer | burps, disgusted |
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| 15:58.50 | lardman | how should one add a widget to a layout in the form designer of QTCreator? |
| 15:59.17 | lardman | the layout appears as a 2 pixel-wide line, but I can't seem to drop anything into/onto it |
| 16:00.32 | flexxxv | MohammadAG: ups |
| 16:01.15 | flexxxv | jacekowski: I think I need it for struct si4713_rnl and SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL |
| 16:01.51 | tobis87 | flexxxv: http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/media/si4713.h?v=2.6.32 |
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| 16:04.43 | flexxxv | tobis87: already tried to use but then I get: http://pastebin.com/WZ5rTkTc |
| 16:05.09 | GAN900 | crashanddie, what's in it for me? |
| 16:06.28 | ShadowJK | I wonder what happened to timeless... |
| 16:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | gone apeshit while reading that script |
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| 16:07.18 | ShadowJK | what script? |
| 16:07.19 | crashanddie | GAN900, sorry? |
| 16:07.33 | ShadowJK | someone gave him a script? |
| 16:07.35 | DocScrutinizer | see link moh pated above |
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| 16:07.44 | DocScrutinizer | pasted* |
| 16:08.01 | DocScrutinizer | the most screwed code I've seen since... ages |
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| 16:08.26 | flexxxv | especcially I'm wondering about 'struct si4713_rnl' has no member named 'frequency' but for my eyes it looks like http://lxr.free-electrons.com/source/include/media/si4713.h?v=2.6.32 has it? |
| 16:08.29 | GAN900 | crashanddie, LinkedIn. :P |
| 16:08.33 | DocScrutinizer | check out hempty_a..d() :-O** |
| 16:08.40 | crashanddie | GAN900, be cool |
| 16:09.00 | GAN900 | crashanddie, and I get the connecting to you? |
| 16:10.33 | ShadowJK | 2.6.32 isn't the kernel in maemo |
| 16:10.47 | tobis87 | flexxxv: This is the file from the patch file for 2.6.28 http://pastebin.com/2AN84KAi |
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| 16:11.27 | lardman | qt designer really is pretty crap |
| 16:11.45 | tobis87 | Yeah, I know I didn't thought there would be a big difference. |
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| 16:12.53 | flexxxv | tobis87: thx. now looking for radio-si4713.h :D |
| 16:13.07 | crashanddie | GAN900, no |
| 16:13.14 | crashanddie | GAN900, connect with me, and you'll be ubercool. |
| 16:13.15 | MohammadAG | what's the fm radio module called? |
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| 16:13.27 | ShadowJK | receiver or transmitter? |
| 16:13.34 | GAN900 | crashanddie, incentive indeed. |
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| 16:13.59 | tobis87 | flexxxv: http://pastebin.com/KFWFsXGU |
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| 16:16.10 | flexxxv | error: aggregate 'si4713_rnl rnl' has incomplete type and cannot be defined |
| 16:16.19 | flexxxv | error: 'SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL' was not declared in this scope |
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| 16:17.18 | MohammadAG | ShadowJK, receiver |
| 16:19.35 | DocScrutinizer | damn, that's been suspense. Honestly I get a thrill like wahtching a horror movie, from reading that script |
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| 16:23.03 | tobis87 | flexxxv: Did you copy it from here? http://www.mjmwired.net/kernel/Documentation/video4linux/si4713.txt This will not work, the program is written with the headers from 2.6.32 in mind. So the header from 2.6.32 was correct, but you need to correct the header file to work with 2.6.28. |
| 16:23.47 | DocScrutinizer | a particularly nice one: rans=$(zenity -entry-text "root" --title "you must be root"...); eval $rans |
| 16:26.56 | DocScrutinizer | it's a grace of konqueror not to allow text-highlight© inside the [code] js crap |
| 16:27.59 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: all your indentation won't make it less ugly :-P |
| 16:28.52 | MohammadAG | indentation is awesome |
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| 16:29.51 | slonopotamus | let's try again |
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| 16:30.15 | slonopotamus | anyone knows what software dims and turns off screen in maemo? |
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| 16:30.37 | Stskeeps | mce, it hink |
| 16:31.25 | slonopotamus | does it work in mer/meego? |
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| 16:41.09 | slonopotamus | sighs |
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| 16:42.23 | jacekowski | slonopotamus: no |
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| 16:42.48 | slonopotamus | jacekowski: doesn't work or anyone doesn't know? |
| 16:43.04 | jacekowski | there is no mce on mer |
| 16:43.09 | jacekowski | or meego |
| 16:43.17 | jacekowski | but |
| 16:43.18 | Stskeeps | jacekowski: mer has powerlaunch |
| 16:43.20 | jacekowski | there is something else |
| 16:43.22 | Stskeeps | and there's xorg blanking |
| 16:43.22 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:43.45 | slonopotamus | by "it" i meant "screen dimming and turning off" there |
| 16:44.13 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: xorg blanking just makes it black, it still powers screen, isn't it? |
| 16:44.23 | jacekowski | nope |
| 16:44.31 | ZogG | facebook gonna integrate skype? wtf? |
| 16:44.46 | jacekowski | ZogG: userlist probably |
| 16:44.55 | ZogG | nope |
| 16:45.00 | ZogG | sms voice chat |
| 16:45.05 | ZogG | facebook-coonect |
| 16:45.17 | jacekowski | coonect? |
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| 16:45.22 | jacekowski | connect you meant? |
| 16:45.30 | ZogG | yeah |
| 16:45.32 | ZogG | mistypo |
| 16:45.33 | zash | ZogG: not just that they want your account and password to scrape contacts |
| 16:45.59 | ZogG | they are stealing alos all my free time |
| 16:46.02 | ZogG | also* |
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| 16:47.00 | slonopotamus | okay, according to omapfb sources, they cannot dim/turn off screen (not implemented) |
| 16:47.05 | RST38h | "Specialist Morlock was accused by the Army of taking part in all three killings during his deployment in Afghanistan's Kandahar province... Other soldiers in the unit told investigators that the accused ringleader collected fingers and other body parts from Afghan corpses" |
| 16:47.15 | RST38h | +15 bonus points for his last name |
| 16:49.11 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: and how meego turns off screen? |
| 16:49.28 | Stskeeps | slonopotamus: xorg turnoff, afaik |
| 16:50.03 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps: you use maemo xomap? |
| 16:50.08 | Stskeeps | no |
| 16:50.13 | Stskeeps | no such thing even on m5 |
| 16:50.22 | Stskeeps | fbdev-sgx |
| 16:50.27 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 16:52.06 | slonopotamus | i'm on n800 though |
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| 16:53.43 | slonopotamus | looking at powerlaunch. Stskeeps, thanks for the pointer |
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| 16:57.54 | flexxxv | tobis87: think I cant make this to work |
| 16:58.09 | flexxxv | someone else here who wants to do? ;) |
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| 17:01.19 | tobis87 | Why do you want to measure the received noise level? This does not make much sense standalone. |
| 17:03.51 | tobis87 | Btw, I tired fm radio the first time today, why does it require bluetooth enabled? |
| 17:04.13 | MohammadAG | FM receiver and BT radio are on the same chip |
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| 17:04.36 | flexxxv | tobis87: Ijust want a easy binary to read the noise level (one tool one job ;) ) to see how strong the signal is and then use a script for scanning :D |
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| 17:05.41 | tobis87 | So it will use the amount of energy as if I would use bt? |
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| 17:09.42 | tobis87 | Right, but I also have no idea what's wrong with the struct. But for the second error, add #define BASE_VIDIOC_PRIVATE 192 |
| 17:09.43 | dRbiG | lol, now i have a 'Internal error. Application Contacts has been closed.' over and over again |
| 17:10.02 | dRbiG | maemo seems to be some kind of software error/problem generator ;) |
| 17:10.34 | dRbiG | googling around, and well, i have the default kernel |
| 17:10.37 | dRbiG | ehh |
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| 17:13.06 | dRbiG | lol i've killed the proces that does that and i got myself a free reboot |
| 17:13.09 | dRbiG | what a crap |
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| 17:14.41 | flexxxv | tobis87: thx |
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| 17:16.01 | tobis87 | flexxxv: And _IOWR seems to be defined in a ioctl.h file, but I don't know which would be correct anyway try #include <asm/ioctl.h> |
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| 17:21.36 | tobis87 | dRbiG: At least you still have control over it, someone else had the problem that his n900 always rebooted, if he got called... |
| 17:21.59 | dRbiG | lol :D :D |
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| 17:22.25 | pupnik | "a life devoted to the dream-machine is morally wrong" |
| 17:22.33 | tobis87 | And he got called often, while he was trying to backup his data |
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| 17:23.00 | frals | if hes too stupid to activate offline mode after the 2nd time i feel sorry for him :< |
| 17:23.45 | ShadowJK | thinks he's narrowed down the reason why N900 and external bluetooth gps receiver only half works, to a single constant that's "wrong" |
| 17:24.18 | ShadowJK | yay, it works :-) |
| 17:24.49 | dRbiG | i okey, does 'apt-get update' does the same as update from the hildon-application-manager? |
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| 17:27.41 | tobis87 | yes, but you have to be root... HAM I think has an entry in /etc/sudoers |
| 17:28.11 | MohammadAG | no |
| 17:28.17 | MohammadAG | HAM doesn't use apt-get directly |
| 17:28.26 | MohammadAG | it uses /usr/libexec/apt-worker |
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| 17:30.42 | tobis87 | But how does ham than have permission to replace files on root? Then apt-worker must have access. |
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| 17:33.04 | sivang | so for those wondering about gnome, some of the proejcts being rebranched for the next release are tomoby and zenity |
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| 17:36.12 | sivang | does it make sense to open bug reports for Maemo? |
| 17:36.31 | sivang | when tracker-indexer is re-ran, it makes the GUI seriously unresponsive, |
| 17:36.48 | kerio | tracker is just a single, massive bug |
| 17:37.04 | sivang | now this can be tolerated in most of the GUI operations however when you are trying to unlock the device using the swipe dial , or when reciving a call, |
| 17:37.24 | sivang | it makes it annoying to wait for the UI to come up to answer the person on the other side :) |
| 17:37.24 | sivang | kerio: :/ |
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| 17:37.49 | sivang | eating ~70% cpu right now |
| 17:39.11 | sivang | going back to dinner , be back later |
| 17:40.26 | BCMM | why doesn't maemo use nice a bit more? |
| 17:40.37 | BCMM | especially for apt-*, imho |
| 17:42.47 | RST38h | Because nice does not help there? |
| 17:42.48 | achipa | you need ionice for that |
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| 17:42.59 | RST38h | and hello, javispedro |
| 17:43.09 | javispedro | helo |
| 17:43.32 | sivang | achipa: ? ;) |
| 17:43.35 | sivang | hey RST38h |
| 17:44.17 | sivang | tries to recall the way to specify primary and secondary nameserver in resolve.conf |
| 17:45.22 | merlin1991 | just put the secondary in the 2nd line? |
| 17:45.34 | merlin1991 | so the initial request goes to the primary? |
| 17:46.03 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: throttle=10 |
| 17:46.09 | sivang | merlin1991: this seems to have terrible latency trying to query 127.0.0.1 before |
| 17:46.27 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: oh, right I should have remembered that discussion. Thanks, I will do this |
| 17:46.53 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools |
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| 17:49.22 | opdf2 | I accidently deleted a folder in MyDocs. WHere can I find a list of the defualt folders created in the emmc? |
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| 17:50.11 | mgedmin | opdf2, you could download the eMMC image, unpack it with flasher, mount it with -o loop, and do an ls |
| 17:50.14 | mgedmin | or you could ask someone here |
| 17:50.31 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: what did MohammadAG patched in hildon to make it hog less the CPU? |
| 17:50.36 | sivang | is curious |
| 17:50.47 | lcuk | sivang, he hasn't patched anything in |
| 17:51.01 | tobis87 | If Blizzard continues updating his script with this speed, he will have rev. 2.0.0 tonight, while really it is in 0.0.2. At least "Copyright (c) 2010 BLIZZARD" is a little bit better than OEM LTD. |
| 17:51.11 | lcuk | he has reverted a tweak made earlier adjusting the scrolling stuff |
| 17:51.29 | lcuk | OEM Ltf are a legit company according to google |
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| 17:51.42 | mgedmin | opdf2, I've .sounds, .videos, .documents, .images, .maps, Mac OS, cities, DCIM, backups -- I think all the rest were created by me or by some app |
| 17:51.48 | opdf2 | mgedmin: Â thank you! |
| 17:52.07 | javispedro | you actually only need the first four afaik |
| 17:52.13 | javispedro | and DCIM |
| 17:52.20 | sivang | lcuk: oh, the tools page of Joerg links to a package he supposedly patched? |
| 17:52.20 | sivang | extras stil hosed btw? |
| 17:52.24 | RevdKathy | is gald to see lcuk back in IRC |
| 17:52.28 | dRbiG | what app uses cities? |
| 17:52.28 | sivang | checks topic |
| 17:52.29 | mgedmin | sivang, extras is unhosd |
| 17:52.33 | lcuk | RevdKathy, :) |
| 17:52.34 | RevdKathy | or even glad |
| 17:52.37 | javispedro | dRbiG: ovi maps |
| 17:52.39 | lcuk | trying normality |
| 17:52.49 | mgedmin | well, was unhosed maybe an hour ago, when I updated a bunch of stuff |
| 17:52.49 | RevdKathy | Hiya. Nice to see normality |
| 17:52.56 | sivang | hey RevdKathy |
| 17:53.05 | RevdKathy | Freenode wasn't the same without yo. |
| 17:53.13 | RevdKathy | Hi sivang |
| 17:53.14 | opdf2 | where is .maps from? |
| 17:53.18 | opdf2 | I don't remember that |
| 17:53.39 | sivang | tunrs off the away as he is postoning dinner some more. |
| 17:54.37 | opdf2 | Maps without the . is from sygic I think |
| 17:54.39 | sivang | gets no room left on device again |
| 17:54.39 | sivang | I haven't installed anything and yet I get no room on device agani |
| 17:54.39 | sivang | darn |
| 17:56.18 | achipa | sivang: http://linux.die.net/man/1/ionice, though that stuff is probably not directly applicable, due to eMMC specifics |
| 17:56.39 | achipa | ~seen normality |
| 17:56.46 | infobot | i haven't seen 'normality', achipa |
| 17:56.47 | RevdKathy | Hey achipa. :) |
| 17:57.00 | achipa | hey |
| 17:57.28 | mgedmin | sivang, I seem to remember that running 'sync' triggers the jffs2 garbage collector and can free up some space |
| 17:58.04 | mgedmin | might be worth a try |
| 17:58.54 | mgedmin | I think these days the biggest hogs are apt's package lists in /var/cache/apt: if you have too many 3rd-party repos, your free space will shrink rapidly |
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| 18:02.08 | ShadowJK | andre__, what, not even a "Fixed in harmattan"? :-) |
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| 18:02.58 | andre__ | ShadowJK, hehe, on which bug? |
| 18:03.07 | ShadowJK | bug 11354 |
| 18:03.08 | povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11354 gypsy-daemon can not parse GPRMC message from external GPS receiver |
| 18:03.13 | andre__ | if I don't know whether it's fixed in Harmattan I cannot tell ;-) |
| 18:03.32 | andre__ | I just try to warn to avoid too much expectation... |
| 18:03.35 | achipa | mgedmin: too many ? you mean like extras-testing and extras-devel ? :) those two alone are in the tens of megs |
| 18:04.06 | tobis87 | Has someone heard of a way to unload a driver which is built-in the kernel? I want to unload the cfg80211 driver and there is a cfg80211_exit symbol listed in /proc/kallsyms, but it is locally. |
| 18:05.24 | ShadowJK | andre__, I'd like to know what GPS device this thing was tested with to begin with, and whether it was Gates or Buffet that financed the purchase of a such a fancy unit that sends magnetic deviation and what not instead of just bare minimums :-) |
| 18:05.46 | DocScrutinizer | hi RevdKathy, lcuk |
| 18:06.28 | RevdKathy | Hi DocScrutinizer. How's you? |
| 18:06.51 | DocScrutinizer | hungry and with a lame left arm :-D |
| 18:07.05 | DocScrutinizer | so, qite well |
| 18:07.10 | DocScrutinizer | quite even |
| 18:09.56 | tobis87 | Argh, This is the only thing which blocks using the injection driver with the stock kernel... |
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| 18:13.02 | johnsq | Hi |
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| 18:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: if you find a way, please tell me. Would be handy for hostmode as well |
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| 18:19.18 | tobis87 | Well there was a way to disable vdso32 at runtime by writing to 0 to the adress listed in System.map, but this is a sysctl value, I have no idea how I can call a module_exit function... But it has to be possible, I'm actually shocked that nobody ever found a way to do it, at least I have not found any reference. |
| 18:19.41 | slonopotamus | meh |
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| 18:22.58 | RST38h | wazZzd |
| 18:23.16 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, powerlaunch talks to dsme about screen dimming. and, of course, relevant dsme module was not opensourced |
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| 18:23.25 | javispedro | tobis87: so, write your own module to do that. call it "the kernel breaker" |
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| 18:23.49 | MohammadAG | the\ kernel\ breaker.ko |
| 18:23.57 | MohammadAG | ko = knock out lol |
| 18:25.12 | slonopotamus | Stskeeps, all the magic should happen in /mnt/initfs/usr/lib/dsme/libinactivity-blank.so.0.0.0 |
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| 18:26.48 | javispedro | MohammadAG: Coccothraustes.ko ("The genus name of Coccothraustes is Greek, meaning kernel breaker") ;) |
| 18:26.51 | Stskeeps | ~flashing |
| 18:26.51 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 18:31.13 | MohammadAG | lol javispedro |
| 18:32.04 | tobis87 | Why? If no other driver rellies on it and the kernel also calls the drivername_exit function on shutdown. Nah, I do not flash the injection kernel, without knowing what he changed in it. I don't need it that much. But I hope cfg80211 will be compiled as module, if the hostmode kernel will become more stable. |
| 18:32.54 | MohammadAG | well |
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| 18:33.13 | MohammadAG | you can compile the stock kernel with the cfg thingy as a module |
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| 18:33.58 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: once hostmode kernel is sufficiently stable (and cleaned from rubbish) then for sure we'll also have a look into supporting other things as well |
| 18:34.32 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you tried it? |
| 18:35.01 | MohammadAG | no, but I am bored |
| 18:35.29 | DocScrutinizer | friggin musb_core for example will make kernel panic on boot, when compiled as module, afaik |
| 18:36.00 | MohammadAG | kernel-power has it done |
| 18:36.05 | MohammadAG | or the injection one |
| 18:36.19 | MohammadAG | CONFIG_CFG80211=y |
| 18:36.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not be too much surprised to find same thing for cfg80211 driver |
| 18:36.43 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: oooh, I remember that. iirc because bme or dsme or someone couldn't find some sysfs file |
| 18:36.44 | DocScrutinizer | aah yes. of course, you're right |
| 18:37.02 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: exactly. charger detect |
| 18:37.04 | tobis87 | Thanks, there are so many different projects right now. Would be a pain if you have to compile it all for yourself. Hostmode, Pulseaudio, Ramzswap (swap notifier), Hw encryption, Injection... |
| 18:37.32 | tobis87 | Overclocking should be extra |
| 18:37.57 | SpeedEvil | I wanna do accel-tap-input |
| 18:38.00 | SpeedEvil | too |
| 18:38.04 | DocScrutinizer | tobis87: I'm hoping for MohammadAG to integrate all into his community repo |
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| 18:38.22 | MohammadAG | on a related note |
| 18:38.32 | MohammadAG | can someone test the repo, pretty please? :) |
| 18:39.02 | DocScrutinizer | I bet you'll find more volunteers than you could even handle |
| 18:39.36 | FIQ|n900 | what repo? |
| 18:39.43 | DocScrutinizer | see :-D |
| 18:40.20 | MohammadAG | lol |
| 18:40.22 | FIQ|n900 | Meh, i just asked what you were talking about |
| 18:40.41 | FIQ|n900 | if it would interest me or not |
| 18:41.11 | MohammadAG | http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/communityssu.install |
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| 18:41.14 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: that's the point exactly. Do a proper wiki page, listing the details and what it's suposed to do or good for |
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| 18:41.28 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it's still not announced actually |
| 18:41.40 | MohammadAG | I'm not sure if HAM will upgrade |
| 18:41.44 | FIQ|n900 | mohammedAG, i've that activated already |
| 18:41.59 | MohammadAG | I need a stock PR1.2 tester |
| 18:42.24 | DocScrutinizer | well, point me to a howto |
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| 18:43.22 | FIQ|n900 | btw, i happily tried a dist-upgrade some time ago, fully aware about the high screwup risk, but it failed. D: |
| 18:43.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: Forget HAM, not being able to do this with HAM will cut down on the number of lemmings |
| 18:43.54 | javispedro | and actually, I wonder if putting so many Weapons of Mass Destruction in the capable hands of lemmings is a good idea... |
| 18:44.05 | RST38h | FIQ: You actually expected it to succeed and ruin your setup? |
| 18:44.21 | FIQ|n900 | Not really |
| 18:44.31 | FIQ|n900 | but i think it was worth a try. :3 |
| 18:44.38 | RST38h | javispedro: Actually, a VERY good idea, as long as they do not come to you asking "WHAT DOES THIS BUTTON DO???" |
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| 18:45.05 | delt | hello |
| 18:45.07 | tobis87 | Yeah, if hw encryption becomes eventually stable, the mantainer seems to be too busy fixing bugs for Meego I assume right know and I cannot debug it, since the kernel crash doesn't leave anything in /dev/mtd2 and he surely has jtag... Anyway applying this patch would be very helpfull, since it increases the speed of the omap-sha1-md5 driver: http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=commit;h=72a1179ed41e0fc6bd5eb58e |
| 18:45.24 | RST38h | Mohammad: what are changes to your copy of ham? |
| 18:45.29 | delt | extras repo still broken? :( |
| 18:45.48 | FIQ|n900 | i downloaded some upgrades to hildon-* though |
| 18:46.46 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG: ping me later if you still need a tester. |
| 18:46.46 | MohammadAG | RST38h, it still sucks, I'll do a proper changelog once someone confirms this works |
| 18:46.51 | SpeedEvil | I'm going to sleep. |
| 18:46.53 | SpeedEvil | Busses suck. |
| 18:46.58 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I'm temped to place a single line like 'sudo cp /dev/null /dev/mtd' somewhere |
| 18:47.09 | SpeedEvil | has just walked 3 miles home. |
| 18:47.09 | RST38h | Doc: ah, please, do |
| 18:47.12 | RST38h | tmo. |
| 18:47.13 | delt | SpeedEvil: what country are you in? |
| 18:47.19 | SpeedEvil | Scotland. |
| 18:47.33 | SpeedEvil | The busses to be fair are on schedule. |
| 18:47.35 | delt | oh. must be around 6 pm there? |
| 18:47.37 | FIQ|n900 | hoever, the only thing preventing a dist-upgrade is busybox, but i don't care that much (as it's way unstable atm) |
| 18:47.38 | DocScrutinizer | without further explanation, but a tempting topic consisting of some buzzwords |
| 18:47.40 | SpeedEvil | And are somewhat usable. |
| 18:47.48 | SpeedEvil | It's just I misread the timetable when tired. |
| 18:48.02 | delt | well, good nap =) |
| 18:49.47 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: Is it still ok to kill locals with an arrow any day of the week, except when there is market in the town? =) |
| 18:50.11 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: so many people have tried that on ubuntu forums they now have to show the banhammer when someone tries to do that to "poor" lemmings =) |
| 18:50.32 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: hehe yes |
| 18:50.37 | MohammadAG | tobis87, want a stock kernel with cfg compiled as a module? |
| 18:50.39 | FIQ|n900 | oh, and btw, that optification shellscript, does someone have it? |
| 18:50.47 | RST38h | tmo is not an ubuntu forum |
| 18:50.53 | FIQ|n900 | i always end up with lots of crap in locales |
| 18:50.55 | MohammadAG | not tested, won't write /dev/zero to your mtds |
| 18:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: eh?? |
| 18:51.43 | FIQ|n900 | DocScrutinizer: someone linked a maemo optify shell script for freeing up root space (moving tmp deb location, moving locale, python and other things) |
| 18:52.18 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: Yes would be nice. |
| 18:52.30 | DocScrutinizer | FIQ|n900: I'd guess that's not applicable nowadays, as all those should already be optified |
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| 18:52.30 | MohammadAG | done, LD [M] net/wireless/cfg80211.ko |
| 18:52.38 | MohammadAG | waits for dpkg-buildpackage to finish |
| 18:53.08 | SpeedEvil | Personally, I'd quite like to arrange it so that if the emmc breaks, it boots, and you get telephony |
| 18:53.28 | SpeedEvil | At least 4 people here have been hit by that |
| 18:53.30 | mgedmin | so you can call tech support and complain? |
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| 18:53.34 | MohammadAG | I want another OS for only telephony or cameras |
| 18:53.41 | MohammadAG | camera* |
| 18:53.48 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you're sure about the dev/zero part? XP |
| 18:53.55 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no :P |
| 18:54.09 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: So if I drop it, break the MMC, I can call 999 and report my broken leg |
| 18:54.28 | MohammadAG | leg = MMC solder leg? |
| 18:54.54 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 18:55.15 | SpeedEvil | The one of 8 limbs I use to locomote. |
| 18:55.26 | SpeedEvil | 2, I mean 2. |
| 18:55.38 | javispedro | heh. |
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| 18:55.51 | mgedmin | (psst! most people have four) |
| 18:55.54 | slonopotamus | sends curses to powerlaunch author(s) |
| 18:56.04 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 18:56.17 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil the spider |
| 18:56.18 | tobis87 | So you only changed the makefile and it has still extraversion=-omap1? The modules on it should still be compatible, right? |
| 18:56.37 | SpeedEvil | is re-watching Babylon 5. |
| 18:56.47 | MohammadAG | mgedmin, nope, only 3 here |
| 18:56.52 | MohammadAG | right leg, left leg, middle leg |
| 18:57.03 | MohammadAG | laughs pervertedly |
| 18:57.05 | mgedmin | limbs are more than just legs |
| 18:57.23 | ds3 | SpeedEvil: who's showing B5? |
| 18:57.39 | SpeedEvil | ds3: edonkey. |
| 18:57.40 | slonopotamus | ds3, mplayer |
| 18:57.46 | javispedro | bittorrent |
| 18:57.52 | ds3 | Oh |
| 18:57.59 | slonopotamus | well, you got the idea |
| 18:58.02 | javispedro | =) |
| 18:58.06 | SpeedEvil | ds3: I have them on VHS somewhere, so I don't feel very guilty. |
| 18:58.26 | slonopotamus | pirate vhs of course? :) |
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| 18:58.39 | SpeedEvil | It's legitimate to time-shift. |
| 18:58.47 | MohammadAG | tobis87, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/cfgasmodule/ |
| 18:58.57 | MohammadAG | kernel is 2.6.28-omap1, beware! |
| 18:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: timeshift like 'watch download now, upload to the internets later' ? |
| 19:00.21 | MohammadAG | I don't really have to provide GPL code, it's the stock kernel with a changed .config |
| 19:00.26 | javispedro | MohammadAG: "beware" using the standard kernel? |
| 19:00.42 | MohammadAG | javispedro, no, beware as it will overwrite stock kernel :) |
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| 19:00.55 | MohammadAG | i.e modules in /lib/modules/ |
| 19:01.03 | MohammadAG | has preboot SSH access |
| 19:01.09 | tobis87 | Thanks :-D |
| 19:01.11 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: Time shifting 16 years, though? |
| 19:01.20 | MohammadAG | tobis87, I suggest you install backupmenu |
| 19:01.25 | mgedmin | legitimate timeshifting is "watch download now, buy DVD at some point in the future (unless I cannot find it, or forget)" |
| 19:01.29 | MohammadAG | so if something wrong happens you can replace modules easily |
| 19:01.34 | MohammadAG | (ssh) |
| 19:01.50 | SpeedEvil | Jaffa: It's discriminating against people without eidetic memory. |
| 19:01.52 | MohammadAG | you don't have to use the backup features of it, just start up an SSH server |
| 19:01.59 | MohammadAG | if everything works fine, remove it |
| 19:02.00 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: ADA/DDA FTW |
| 19:02.08 | nandan | I am running gcc -Wall -g hello.c -o helloworld in [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] |
| 19:02.12 | nandan | i got error as |
| 19:02.22 | slonopotamus | no idea wtf is ada/dda, but ftw, yep |
| 19:02.44 | DocScrutinizer | mgedmin: what I suggested |
| 19:02.52 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: Americans with Disabilities Act (US) or Disability Discrimination Act (UK) |
| 19:03.04 | nandan | <PROTECTED> |
| 19:03.04 | mgedmin | audio CDs had labels like this... something about analog recording/digital mixing/analog mastering? |
| 19:03.11 | Jaffa | slonopotamus: I'm sure we can claim lack of photographic memory as a (widespread) disability. |
| 19:03.21 | Jaffa | mgedmin: AAD, ADD, DDD :-) |
| 19:03.32 | Jaffa | mgedmin: I've still got a couple which prominently say which |
| 19:03.35 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: Is there not a parameter for the flasher to load the kernel remotely? I could add the cfg80211 manuelly later. |
| 19:03.40 | mgedmin | x86 had ADD and DDD instructions, IIRC |
| 19:03.57 | Jaffa | mgedmin: 6502 has ADA, IIRC |
| 19:03.58 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: DAA says fuzzy memory |
| 19:04.06 | SpeedEvil | mgedmin: I don't think there was a DDD |
| 19:04.14 | MohammadAG | tobis87, yes |
| 19:04.23 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l -b |
| 19:04.24 | slonopotamus | i hate those of you who decided to use autotools in their projects |
| 19:04.36 | javispedro | slonopotamus: you hate quite a lot of people then =) |
| 19:04.41 | mgedmin | no DDD, but there was an AAA |
| 19:04.48 | slonopotamus | javispedro, it's their fault |
| 19:05.04 | mgedmin | it would be hard to make an AAA CD |
| 19:05.23 | mgedmin | autotools rule |
| 19:05.37 | tobis87 | Thanks, first time booting a custom kernel... |
| 19:05.39 | mgedmin | nandan, I think you may have created the scratchbox target incorrectly? |
| 19:05.43 | mgedmin | how did you do it? |
| 19:05.53 | nandan | okk |
| 19:06.13 | nandan | how should i correct scratchbox target |
| 19:06.15 | slonopotamus | mgedmin, autotools is a slow, ugly, hard-to-debug piece of crap. |
| 19:06.18 | nandan | now |
| 19:06.24 | slonopotamus | especially libtool |
| 19:06.30 | nandan | any link |
| 19:06.43 | javispedro | autotools flame! i am already missing yesterday's gconf flame |
| 19:06.48 | MohammadAG | tobis87, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/cfgasmodule/zImage if you cba to extract |
| 19:06.48 | mgedmin | nobody loves libtool |
| 19:07.08 | slonopotamus | mgedmin, why the hell everyone uses it then? |
| 19:07.13 | nandan | i googled but not got gud sol. |
| 19:07.51 | slonopotamus | i think 95% of libtool users can't explain why they need libtool in their project |
| 19:08.04 | slonopotamus | (because they don't need it actually) |
| 19:08.19 | mgedmin | nandan, I ran maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh under bash, and I think it worked fine... |
| 19:08.22 | DocScrutinizer | WAAAAAA libtool |
| 19:08.30 | DocScrutinizer | headdesks |
| 19:08.45 | mgedmin | it's something like sb-conf st fremantle-armel -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -t qemu-arm-sb |
| 19:08.53 | mgedmin | or maybe -t qemu-arm-0.8.2-sb2 |
| 19:08.57 | mgedmin | I really don't remember :/ |
| 19:09.14 | nandan | okk |
| 19:09.26 | DocScrutinizer | javispedro: I could help you out of that :-P gconf SUCKS! |
| 19:09.30 | tobis87 | MohammadAG: Is this the same file as the zImage-2.6.28-20101501+0m5.fiasco inside the deb? |
| 19:09.35 | slonopotamus | hehe |
| 19:09.37 | javispedro | DocScrutinizer: gconf RULES! thanks! |
| 19:10.04 | mgedmin | scratchbox is a bit of a BIG PAIN IN THE posterior |
| 19:10.11 | slonopotamus | javispedro, it doesn't solve any real problem. |
| 19:10.16 | javispedro | mgedmin: WHAT? scratchbox rules! |
| 19:10.27 | mgedmin | yeah, well, you go and help nandan then |
| 19:10.36 | javispedro | sighs |
| 19:10.37 | MohammadAG | tobis87, no, you have to extract that |
| 19:10.45 | mgedmin | cackles maniacally |
| 19:10.49 | MohammadAG | flasher-3.5 -F zImage*.fiasco -u |
| 19:11.05 | nandan | sb-conf st fremantle-armel -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -t qemu-arm-sb |
| 19:11.07 | nandan | gives |
| 19:11.17 | nandan | sb-conf: No such CPU-transparency method: 'qemu-arm-sb'. |
| 19:11.17 | nandan | Perhaps you forgot to select the devkit which includes it. |
| 19:11.21 | tobis87 | so this is the extracted fiasco |
| 19:11.25 | slonopotamus | w/e. this damn powerlaunch cannot ./autogen.sh from svn |
| 19:12.05 | mgedmin | sb-conf st fremantle-armel -c cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 -t qemu-arm-sb -d perl:debian-etch:qemu:doctools:svn:git |
| 19:12.09 | mgedmin | -d lists devkits |
| 19:12.20 | mgedmin | and then you also need sb-conf rs ... and sb-conf in ... |
| 19:12.31 | slonopotamus | and after fixing it wants gconf and gtk o_O |
| 19:12.41 | mgedmin | I couldn't be bothered to figure everything out so I gave in and ran the installer script |
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| 19:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | anybody encountered problems with extras repo during last ~8h ? |
| 19:42.38 | DocScrutinizer | hmm |
| 19:43.13 | DocScrutinizer | anybody used HAM update or install successfully during last ~8h? |
| 19:43.42 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 19:43.45 | mgedmin | o/ |
| 19:43.52 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid |
| 19:43.56 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 19:44.04 | mgedmin | today I noticed a blinking "there are updates!" icon and updated with HAM showing me no errors |
| 19:44.31 | mgedmin | yesterday when I noticed a blinking "yay updates!" icon, I could update a few apps, but HAM also complained about extras being not-up-to-date-because-of-an-error |
| 19:44.48 | mgedmin | so I'd say the error that plagued extras yesterday was fixed |
| 19:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | k, thanks |
| 19:45.03 | mgedmin | or maybe random CDN cache effects made me see it in one network but not in another one |
| 19:47.07 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I tried, but it failed |
| 19:47.27 | sivang | "some sources could not be fetched" thing |
| 19:47.35 | mgedmin | tries now |
| 19:47.49 | sivang | now, is there an modest equivalent to tracker-processes -t ? |
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| 19:48.38 | mgedmin | works fine |
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| 20:23.32 | tobis87 | Loading the custom kernel, causes the device to hang, but it even looks as if it starts charging, blinking led, black background... Would flashing the kernel make a difference? |
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| 20:24.13 | ShadowJK | fucking sim card |
| 20:24.46 | jacekowski | it maybe rapuyama failing |
| 20:24.49 | jacekowski | may be* |
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| 20:24.58 | ShadowJK | yeah :/ |
| 20:25.56 | ShadowJK | it's only failing when I move around more actively tho |
| 20:26.06 | ShadowJK | it works fine when I sit still |
| 20:27.44 | ShadowJK | could be antenna or sim card holder too I suppose? |
| 20:28.08 | SpeedEvil | I am calling tmo tomorrow to get a new SIM |
| 20:28.18 | RevdKathy | Goodnight all |
| 20:28.24 | SpeedEvil | Night. |
| 20:28.47 | ShadowJK | nini |
| 20:28.54 | ShadowJK | I have a second card with me |
| 20:29.01 | ShadowJK | somewhere.. |
| 20:30.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: antenna - nope |
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| 20:31.34 | sivang | damn latency.. |
| 20:32.28 | ShadowJK | I've seen the same icon displayed when I've intentionally obstructed signal at random intervals before tho |
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| 20:40.45 | sivang | is there a way to shutdown evlution data server and modest? |
| 20:40.54 | sivang | simialr to tracker-processes -t? |
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| 20:41.22 | sivang | thinks of killing the dsme |
| 20:41.42 | pupnik | despite zero privacy, i use webmail, cause clients always seem to be headache prone |
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| 20:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: there are simpler methods to trigger reboot |
| 20:43.00 | ShadowJK | I hate webmail, I've never found one light enough to not have huge ui latencies due to browser spending cpu rendering |
| 20:43.00 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: is there wa way then to selectively disable those apps? |
| 20:43.00 | ShadowJK | or one close enough latency-wise :/ |
| 20:43.00 | sivang | why do I need evolution data server if I never use exchange? |
| 20:43.24 | sivang | ShadowJK: well, you can use gmail's imap no? |
| 20:43.34 | sivang | if only modest would have liked it... |
| 20:43.38 | DocScrutinizer | what, modest? should be really simple, evo prolly as well |
| 20:43.48 | sivang | I really need to test it using after I upgrade to 1.2 |
| 20:43.55 | DocScrutinizer | comment them out in init ? |
| 20:44.12 | sivang | I heard there were a couple performance improvements done to it in 1.2 |
| 20:44.27 | sivang | symbian's mail client is superb with regard to using gmail as an imap backend, on the contrary |
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| 20:44.38 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: can I like /etc/init.d/modest stop? |
| 20:44.47 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: or remove it from inittab and restart? |
| 20:45.00 | DocScrutinizer | if there's a /etc/init.d/modest then prolly yes |
| 20:45.36 | sivang | there isn't :/ |
| 20:45.42 | sivang | that's why I was asking. |
| 20:45.45 | sivang | recheks |
| 20:45.57 | Shadikka | Why did I read that as /etc/init.d/molest |
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| 20:47.17 | jacekowski | modest is kind of a disaster |
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| 20:47.34 | kerio | because modest uses your emails in a inappropriate way |
| 20:48.13 | jacekowski | like what? |
| 20:48.17 | jacekowski | looking them under skirts? |
| 20:48.28 | sivang | hehe |
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| 20:48.29 | kerio | show me your headers baby |
| 20:48.32 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: /etc/osso-cud-scripts/* |
| 20:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: /etc/osso-rfs-scripts/* |
| 20:49.29 | sivang | wonders wy it is not in a normal linux std location and naming |
| 20:49.35 | sivang | pokes |
| 20:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | sivang: /etc/init.d/as-daemon-0 |
| 20:50.12 | sivang | tomboys |
| 20:50.22 | DocScrutinizer | generally 'grep -r modest /etc |
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| 20:50.42 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: I was just abou to do that before you responsed :-) |
| 20:50.49 | sivang | jacekowski: why is inspecting the headers taking so long? |
| 20:51.13 | jacekowski | well, i suppose because it's opening 100s of e-mails |
| 20:51.17 | jacekowski | and reading part of them |
| 20:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | PPID of modest is 1 |
| 20:51.35 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: that happens when parent terminates |
| 20:51.44 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 20:51.47 | jacekowski | or gets killed |
| 20:51.58 | DocScrutinizer | or it's started by init |
| 20:52.17 | jacekowski | that's an option too |
| 20:52.22 | sivang | jacekowski: the symbian reader does the same no? it does it in fraction of the time |
| 20:52.41 | jacekowski | nope it doesn't |
| 20:52.54 | jacekowski | i suppose it's using proper database with stuff |
| 20:53.04 | sivang | jacekowski: it only downloads the headers and not part of the message? |
| 20:53.22 | sivang | jacekowski: it also notified you of the email before the web ajax updates your browser window, rad! |
| 20:53.27 | sivang | *notifies |
| 20:53.27 | jacekowski | downloading and reading them every time is different |
| 20:53.38 | sivang | ah I see |
| 20:53.49 | jacekowski | symbian downloads them and then reads them and then it's stored somewhere |
| 20:54.05 | jacekowski | and modest as kerio said reads them every fucking time |
| 20:54.13 | sivang | geez |
| 20:54.14 | sivang | I see |
| 20:54.21 | sivang | so sybmian mail diffs for the new stuff only? |
| 20:54.39 | jacekowski | i'm not sure how symbian is it doing |
| 20:54.48 | jacekowski | but i would expect that it reads headers once |
| 20:54.51 | sivang | anyway, modest was not killed it |
| 20:54.57 | jacekowski | and writes them into some sort of index/database file |
| 20:55.06 | ShadowJK | never managed to access his email with *any* symbian mail client... |
| 20:55.11 | sivang | jacekowski: when it does that, it provides progress as well - so you don't wait and think what's happenoing |
| 20:55.11 | jacekowski | and uses that |
| 20:55.18 | sivang | ShadowJK: works like a pure charm |
| 20:55.24 | sivang | for me at least |
| 20:56.05 | sivang | but it appeasr sybmian mail downloads the header quite much faster, or maybe it is just because of the headers arriving in |
| 20:56.09 | sivang | and you see them |
| 20:56.18 | sivang | it also takes it tons of time to show the folders |
| 20:56.19 | sivang | odd |
| 20:56.38 | sivang | anyway, enough ranting, I wuold be better attempting ptaches |
| 20:57.02 | sivang | it is suprising how much difference showing progress makes for the user. |
| 20:57.20 | sivang | it can make certain software look as if it is operating faster than those that do not have a proper progress. |
| 20:58.11 | kerio | ui *does* matter |
| 20:59.05 | sivang | modest wouldn't die.. |
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| 21:04.44 | DocScrutinizer | what a cruft is hat btw? -> |
| 21:04.48 | DocScrutinizer | rm -f ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE} |
| 21:04.49 | DocScrutinizer | cat >> ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE} << EOF |
| 21:04.51 | DocScrutinizer | export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS' |
| 21:04.52 | DocScrutinizer | EOF |
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| 21:05.38 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 21:05.49 | MohammadAG | they could've used > instead of rming the file first |
| 21:05.49 | DocScrutinizer | wtf first rm the file, then append to it? and then this here-document for one line o.O |
| 21:06.05 | sivang | odd |
| 21:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | msu've been winter in Finland when they coded that |
| 21:06.31 | sivang | ubuntu is playing tricks on me |
| 21:06.46 | DocScrutinizer | must have* |
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| 21:07.18 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: maybe the var can span multiple lines? |
| 21:07.41 | DocScrutinizer | ummm, even then |
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| 21:11.05 | DocScrutinizer | echo "export DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS='" '$DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS' > ${SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS_FILE} |
| 21:11.07 | nomis | DocScrutinizer: I can come up with a reason for the rm -f / cat trick. |
| 21:11.36 | nomis | "rm -f ; cat" works on write-protected files, "cat >" does not. |
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| 21:11.48 | DocScrutinizer | ooh right |
| 21:11.51 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
| 21:12.05 | nomis | not that I think that this is the case here :) |
| 21:12.26 | DocScrutinizer | still apending to a rm'd file is silly, no? |
| 21:12.53 | DocScrutinizer | very special |
| 21:13.23 | villager | sivang: you need evolution data server to be able to use the phone functions, you know... it has your contact list |
| 21:13.36 | sivang | villager: I see. |
| 21:13.58 | DocScrutinizer | in case you wonder: /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01DBUS |
| 21:14.03 | nomis | DocScrutinizer: true, that does not seem to make a real difference. |
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| 21:15.21 | lardman | Qt, xvimagesink, does it work? Or should one use OpenGLES? And if so, is the OpenGLES setup time-consuming? |
| 21:16.27 | DocScrutinizer | lol, read the first if then else statement in 01dbus! XD |
| 21:18.04 | DocScrutinizer | if `whoami` = root then bla.user else bla.`whoami` - no given the fact we only have a user named user and a user named root that's rather funny |
| 21:18.19 | DocScrutinizer | now* |
| 21:19.39 | villager | DocScrutinizer: no "else" part on my device |
| 21:20.02 | DocScrutinizer | well, at least Nokia didn't assume in *every single* the standard user of maemo had to be named 'user' :-P |
| 21:21.07 | DocScrutinizer | villager: in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/01dbus ? o.O |
| 21:21.08 | villager | hmm, wait, I scrolled past it, now I see the else part |
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| 21:23.32 | DocScrutinizer | wooohooo there's a binary called xset770 :-P |
| 21:23.52 | DocScrutinizer | damn, and I thought I got a N900 |
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| 21:28.07 | DocScrutinizer | anybody else got two camera-ui in /etc/X11/Xsession.post ? Anybody tested if that's maybe one too much? |
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| 21:30.09 | Mousey | is the n8 maeom? |
| 21:30.12 | Mousey | maemo, even |
| 21:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | npe |
| 21:30.55 | Mousey | k |
| 21:30.58 | DocScrutinizer | nope even |
| 21:31.18 | Mousey | nm's |
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| 21:39.24 | pupnik | were any of you guys into electronic music in the 90s? |
| 21:39.51 | LinuxCode | was and is |
| 21:40.35 | pupnik | while me and my friends were creating the first 3D accelerated PC game, this was our attempt at reaching the top of the US dance charts |
| 21:40.43 | pupnik | another song reached #2 |
| 21:40.50 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5-rvf6k61EU |
| 21:41.49 | LinuxCode | atari or amiga ? |
| 21:42.07 | pupnik | pc - rendition verite |
| 21:42.24 | LinuxCode | I guess it was later 90s then ? |
| 21:42.31 | pupnik | early |
| 21:42.46 | pupnik | my god our music sucked though |
| 21:42.54 | LinuxCode | never liked "dance style" music |
| 21:42.55 | pupnik | aphex twin was doing his stuff in 1991-2 |
| 21:43.12 | LinuxCode | I always was the more techno, jungle kind of person |
| 21:43.17 | pupnik | good |
| 21:43.27 | LinuxCode | still like dnb |
| 21:43.28 | pupnik | jungle is an early term |
| 21:43.35 | LinuxCode | yeah, there was nothing else |
| 21:43.37 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:43.43 | pupnik | try dubstep.fm |
| 21:43.47 | LinuxCode | now there are so many sub-genres I dont even know them al |
| 21:43.54 | jarkkom | first 3d accelerator cards were pretty hilarious, I had the S3 one that made games run slower than just using software renderer |
| 21:43.55 | LinuxCode | I just call it all dnb |
| 21:43.58 | pupnik | yep |
| 21:44.01 | LinuxCode | wel, unless its dubsetp |
| 21:44.09 | LinuxCode | dubstep is very different |
| 21:44.11 | pupnik | s3 killed my company jarkkom |
| 21:44.24 | LinuxCode | time fo dinner |
| 21:44.25 | pupnik | i tried to get it started in audio cards, but the president killed the project |
| 21:44.33 | LinuxCode | then work, after I get this array fixed meh |
| 21:44.47 | pupnik | i actually got a prototype 8 channel in/out card for 80386 |
| 21:44.49 | jarkkom | well audio card business is pretty dead too apart from production side |
| 21:44.50 | pupnik | built |
| 21:44.59 | pupnik | in 1989 |
| 21:45.12 | LinuxCode | jarkkom, wan tot buy a creamware puslar 2 ? |
| 21:45.13 | LinuxCode | lol |
| 21:45.15 | pupnik | no 1988 sorry, 1989 was when they canned it |
| 21:45.16 | LinuxCode | pulsar |
| 21:45.31 | LinuxCode | stil has an emu 6400 utlra under his desk |
| 21:45.59 | LinuxCode | bought it, 3 months later softsamplers cam out |
| 21:46.19 | LinuxCode | depreciation 90% in 4 months, epic |
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| 21:53.39 | pupnik | LinuxCode: want something good? |
| 21:53.57 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RJm3CUPxGDs |
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| 22:00.26 | LinuxCode | pupnik, hehe |
| 22:00.33 | LinuxCode | makes dinner |
| 22:02.25 | zs_ | hi, are there anywhere call logs? |
| 22:03.25 | pupnik | <PROTECTED> |
| 22:03.32 | pupnik | MEAT BEAT MANIFESTO |
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| 22:04.09 | pupnik | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XeclWk1Z7Cc |
| 22:05.35 | DocScrutinizer | what is PtMalloc? |
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| 22:06.18 | wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, memory allocator used in glibc |
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| 22:07.07 | DocScrutinizer | thanks. can you point me to a doc about MALLOC_TRIM_THRESHOLD_=8192 and MALLOC_MMAP_THRESHOLD_=32768 |
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| 22:07.43 | DocScrutinizer | # PtMalloc settings to control fragmentation and check corruption |
| 22:08.44 | DocScrutinizer | ( /etc/resource_limits.conf ) |
| 22:09.21 | wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, try dlmalloc sources |
| 22:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | umm, ok. nevermind |
| 22:09.44 | DocScrutinizer | thanks anyway |
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| 22:10.02 | wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, no, the documentation is in the sources |
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| 22:10.23 | DocScrutinizer | maybe it's simply not that important |
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| 22:11.55 | wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, http://pastebin.com/sUaXYGzd |
| 22:16.24 | flexxxv | so these noise level c lines just compiled .D |
| 22:16.29 | flexxxv | :D |
| 22:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | wolf^: thanks |
| 22:16.57 | DocScrutinizer | seems maemo settings are considerably lower than defaults |
| 22:17.19 | wolf^ | DocScrutinizer, do note that this is from dlmalloc, not ptmalloc (which is a dlmalloc derivative) |
| 22:17.32 | DocScrutinizer | :nod: |
| 22:17.32 | flexxxv | rval = ioctl(fd, SI4713_IOC_MEASURE_RNL, &rnl); just doesn't return the right thing :( |
| 22:18.23 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh |
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| 22:25.38 | pupnik | doc|home: you seeing the results of your evil yet? |
| 22:26.27 | pupnik | http://boingboing.net/2010/09/27/obama-administration.html Obama administration wants encryption backdoors for domestic surveillance |
| 22:27.12 | pupnik | one of the agents of evil ... :) |
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| 22:27.52 | pupnik | yeah, well what can we do? it's the nerds versus the thugs. the stupid kids in your high school have signed up with the government, and they're clubbing the intelligent people |
| 22:29.12 | pupnik | it's despicable really |
| 22:29.20 | pupnik | #maemo needs to take an anti-slavery stance |
| 22:29.32 | pupnik | that's what we're here for |
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| 22:30.47 | ni1s-cell | Hello |
| 22:30.59 | pupnik | have i made the case that the obama administration is threatening maemo and meego? |
| 22:31.07 | pupnik | this is an action item for everyone |
| 22:31.16 | pupnik | and it will not go away |
| 22:31.25 | flexxxv | So this is the source: http://pastebin.com/ubkX9Wuc , this the si4713.h: http://pastebin.com/8DznE6A5 . It compiles succesfully. just that I dont get a right value for rval. what am I missing? |
| 22:31.28 | pupnik | this is now permanent subject in maemo, meego, and meego-arm |
| 22:31.48 | pupnik | the obama administration wants to send you to jail for encrypting your communications without government backdoors. |
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| 22:31.54 | pupnik | this is now subject for #maemo |
| 22:33.10 | vblazquez | which is the right size for XB-Maemo-Icon-26 for packaging? i was trying with 48x48 but it wasn't working, finally with 40x40 works |
| 22:33.22 | vblazquez | at wiki you can see 48x48, is that wrong? |
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| 22:35.20 | ni1s-cell | hello |
| 22:36.34 | flexxxv | tobis87: I just got it compiling :D but not working :( any great idea? |
| 22:37.33 | wmarone | pupnik: you have some ulterior motive for pushing the subject? |
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| 22:39.26 | lardman | argh |
| 22:39.41 | lardman | if I create a widget derived from QWidget, how do I set its size? |
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| 22:44.31 | ni1s-cell | Is it possible to run avahi on maemo? |
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| 22:45.52 | lardman | it can be installed, not sure it works for p2p im mind you |
| 22:46.51 | ni1s-cell | Ill probably only use it with ssh/sftp |
| 22:47.06 | lardman | dunno then, sorry] |
| 22:47.17 | ni1s-cell | No worries |
| 22:47.19 | user__ | am logged on from N900 with tiny screen. Anyway, is maemo extras back up yet? Comparing apps with office full of Droid fanbois. |
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| 22:47.47 | kerio | show easy-debian, walk away |
| 22:49.17 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: you're printing the adress of a RNL structure?? |
| 22:49.45 | DocScrutinizer | user__: yes, should work |
| 22:50.04 | DocScrutinizer | if not then please come back here reporting |
| 22:50.54 | user__ | i want to install apps, though. Is the repository back up? |
| 22:51.12 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: that mini source fragment has quite a number of fundamental issues. First of all you're not closing your file handle in any of the error cases |
| 22:51.40 | flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: this is not my code. this is some example code from documentation :P So yeah mybee I should learn some more c :P |
| 22:51.45 | DocScrutinizer | user__: what do you think I'm talking bout? |
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| 22:53.08 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 22:53.19 | flexxxv | will fix this not closing prob |
| 22:53.25 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: then I'm rather sure you want to pass rval to printf(), not rnl.rnl |
| 22:54.21 | TiagoTiago | it seems i've misplaced the shortcut to toggle the mouse cursor, i can't find it anywhere, not even in HAM, any idea how i can recover it? |
| 22:54.23 | flexxxv | anyway rval is all the time < 0 |
| 22:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | then you should first check cmd line parameters, *then* open file |
| 22:57.31 | DocScrutinizer | meh, I thought after that script this afternoon, that couldn't get topped today |
| 23:00.04 | flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: I can top this aith a new prog in a language i've never used befor :D |
| 23:00.14 | flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: sry |
| 23:01.40 | TiagoTiago | it's quite shocking how much longer the battery lasts when you're not using the N900 |
| 23:01.41 | DocScrutinizer | flexxxv: looking into very basic but professionally written code (e.g unix 'cat') might help a lot |
| 23:02.02 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: yeah, and even in freezer X-P |
| 23:02.33 | flexxxv | DocScrutinizer: thx will download src now :D |
| 23:02.39 | TiagoTiago | does the freezer thing really works? |
| 23:02.57 | pupnik | humans range from dog-like to god-like in intelligence |
| 23:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | my BL-5C lasts a minimum of 30 weeks - when I remove it from device |
| 23:03.04 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 23:03.50 | TiagoTiago | no, i meant with it turned on, but without being interacted with |
| 23:04.05 | DocScrutinizer | seems inserting it to device, bit not powering up (aka 'using') it is comparable |
| 23:04.24 | DocScrutinizer | aah, yes |
| 23:05.25 | DocScrutinizer | that indicates you're using quite some screen backlight (almost the worst hog on N900), and probably also some data transfer, possibly even via GPRS |
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| 23:08.13 | TiagoTiago | i have the backlight brightenss at maximum, anything under that is already too dark (fulllbright is also too dark undr sunlight, not much i can do though) |
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| 23:09.25 | TiagoTiago | what exactly is the backlight, a LED array, a mini fluorescent bulb or what? |
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| 23:10.11 | lardman | Any Qt programmers about? |
| 23:10.52 | tuxonator | hello I don't know if I'm in the right channel but I have trouble with the Maemo Diablo Repositories |
| 23:12.12 | tuxonator | Packages.gz won't unzip |
| 23:12.32 | lardman | repo update may have gone wrong |
| 23:12.54 | tuxonator | seems so Im trying to find someone that can fix it :P |
| 23:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: LEDs |
| 23:14.17 | pupnik | a friend of mine is now on the run from the FBI |
| 23:14.28 | TiagoTiago | i thought LEDs were supposed to be quite efficient.... |
| 23:14.35 | DocScrutinizer | tuxonator: try another IP for same URL. Seems this problem is occurring only on some part of the loadbalanced akamai server farm |
| 23:14.36 | pupnik | he didn't do anything |
| 23:14.52 | pupnik | just did http://antiwar.com/radio/ |
| 23:15.19 | pupnik | and you cock suckers.... thought it would be "ok" to let the motherfucking us government attack Iraq |
| 23:15.29 | pupnik | well now you got the result of letting them pull this shit |
| 23:15.35 | TiagoTiago | why is the load balancer not noticing one of the servers is faulty? |
| 23:15.43 | TiagoTiago | ? |
| 23:16.17 | pupnik | dumb ass nerds. the bullys are pointing guns at you |
| 23:16.35 | tuxonator | DocScrutinizer: tks will do ! |
| 23:16.49 | flexxxv | so I just started to analys the code. trying to understand whats going on :) . why this check for argc? *I'm feeling so dumb* |
| 23:17.16 | pupnik | dumb, dumb people |
| 23:17.47 | TiagoTiago | what the hell are blabbering about? |
| 23:18.28 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: everything OK mate? |
| 23:18.30 | lardman | aaaarghmmmgghtt, bloody Qt size this that hint this that the bloody other |
| 23:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: how should a load balancer notice one of the irons has a borked file? |
| 23:19.04 | asj | TiagoTiago: let it go, he does this every few weeks, starts ranting and raving and going on and on about politics |
| 23:19.42 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: not on the 'run' but just moving... they stole laptops a few days ago |
| 23:19.55 | pupnik | i know you want to be a geek |
| 23:19.59 | pupnik | and ignore the bullys |
| 23:20.08 | pupnik | you know the dumb idiots in your 7th grade? |
| 23:20.16 | pupnik | they are now working for the government |
| 23:20.17 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: please take a off-time and chill a bit |
| 23:20.18 | lardman | someone, please, put me out of my misery and tell me how to size a widget in Qt |
| 23:20.48 | pupnik | DocScrutinizer: but it's my new theory for how the world works |
| 23:20.49 | asj | larsivi: QWidget::setSize ? |
| 23:21.09 | DocScrutinizer | pupnik: /join #42 |
| 23:21.11 | pupnik | the dumbasses scramble to find the large sticks to beat the rest of us with |
| 23:21.11 | lardman | from the widget itself, can it call that method on itself? |
| 23:22.47 | DocScrutinizer | lardman: object.x*=200, object.y*=300? |
| 23:22.56 | GAN900 | pupnik, aren't we all? |
| 23:23.11 | asj | lardman: of course, need a C++ refresher? |
| 23:23.16 | pupnik | lardman: btw you should use your "convincing power" as much as possible. i suspect you underestimate your charisma |
| 23:23.39 | lardman | but why does it ignore th hint sizes, stupid thing? |
| 23:23.44 | tuxonator | DocScrutinizer: no luck both IPs of the repository have the same problem |
| 23:23.49 | lardman | asj: probably ;) |
| 23:24.05 | DocScrutinizer | damn, pass me the URL |
| 23:24.22 | tuxonator | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/diablo/free/binary-armel/Packages.gz |
| 23:24.36 | tuxonator | unable to gunzip the package |
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| 23:24.51 | tuxonator | so obviously apt-get is also unable to do so |
| 23:25.51 | DocScrutinizer | ~dns http://repository.maemo.org |
| 23:26.00 | DocScrutinizer | ~dns repository.maemo.org |
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| 23:26.58 | DocScrutinizer | repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. |
| 23:27.00 | DocScrutinizer | repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. |
| 23:27.01 | DocScrutinizer | a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.123.68.9 |
| 23:27.02 | DocScrutinizer | a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.123.68.72 |
| 23:27.23 | tuxonator | I had .19 and .41 |
| 23:27.27 | tuxonator | will try .72 |
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| 23:29.20 | tuxonator | DocScrutinizer : works tks a lot ! |
| 23:29.32 | DocScrutinizer | tuxonator: maybe for diablo it's even worse than for fremantle |
| 23:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | ooh :-D |
| 23:29.45 | DocScrutinizer | yw |
| 23:29.59 | tuxonator | is it a common problem with akamai ? |
| 23:30.03 | tuxonator | replication issues ? |
| 23:30.28 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes |
| 23:30.38 | DocScrutinizer | not a premiere |
| 23:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | I just wonder whom to poke to get him kick akamai's heck |
| 23:32.33 | DocScrutinizer | err stern |
| 23:33.01 | TiagoTiago | sorry, had to be afk for a moment |
| 23:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen X-Fade |
| 23:33.17 | infobot | x-fade is currently on #maemo (2d 14h 5m 49s) #meego (2d 14h 5m 49s), last said: 'Morning'. |
| 23:33.35 | DocScrutinizer | umm |
| 23:33.50 | TiagoTiago | i see, i thought the issue was somthing that could be detected by pinging the server |
| 23:34.09 | lardman | night al |
| 23:34.12 | lardman | all even |
| 23:34.14 | lardman | :) |
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| 23:38.12 | DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: all repositories have a certain percentage of servers on akamai that ship a broken *.gz file |
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| 23:44.16 | TiagoTiago | it seems i've misplaced the shortcut to toggle the mouse cursor, i can't find it anywhere, not even in HAM, any idea how i can recover it? |
| 23:46.30 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 23:47.21 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken, causing errors on update *** http://paste.debian.ne |
| 23:48.16 | *** topic/#maemo by DocScrutinizer -> Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Skype is INCLUDED in the N900. Unless you live in India, that is. | Also this is #maemo, NOT #nitdroid | *** extras repository is temporarily broken *** see http://paste.debian.net/92454/ |
| 23:48.50 | hardaker | TiagoTiago: oddly, I have it on and want to turn it off!!! |
| 23:51.01 | DocScrutinizer | maybe something starting with 'xset' ? |
| 23:52.29 | hardaker | Mine got turned on when I installed the bluetooth hid support. Which didn't work, so I uninstalled it but the cursor remains. |
| 23:52.39 | hardaker | (I searched /etc/X11/xorg.conf but it's not in there) |
| 23:52.46 | flexxxv | got further with my code analys :P , why is it using sscanf to convert the string to int? |
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| 23:59.12 | TiagoTiago | perthaps it comes with one of the bluetooth things |
