| 00:01.01 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: I saw it on Top Gear. |
| 00:01.18 | SpeedEvil | is not interested in guys that way. :) |
| 00:03.01 | pupnik | well that's pretty much the type of thing we'll see more i guess |
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| 00:03.28 | sivang | right, so I can let if off ;) |
| 00:03.42 | sivang | whats' the normal stock free space on rootfs? |
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| 00:03.50 | SpeedEvil | ~80M |
| 00:03.53 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 00:03.56 | sivang | hmm |
| 00:04.04 | sivang | I'm at 2.6M |
| 00:04.15 | SpeedEvil | That's a bit low. |
| 00:04.24 | SpeedEvil | Do you have gnu find installed? |
| 00:04.30 | sivang | I do now, yes |
| 00:04.40 | SpeedEvil | gfind / -size +100k -ctime -10 |
| 00:05.02 | SpeedEvil | Wil tell you what files over 100K have been touched in the last 10 days. |
| 00:05.03 | sivang | SpeedEvil: ah, I thought finding +2M is good enough |
| 00:05.04 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 00:05.07 | SpeedEvil | gfind / -mount |
| 00:05.18 | SpeedEvil | or that |
| 00:05.23 | sivang | SpeedEvil: right, I already added this to not wait forever |
| 00:06.23 | sivang | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267794/ |
| 00:06.31 | SpeedEvil | gdu -x /|sort -nk1 |
| 00:06.32 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 00:06.45 | sivang | I thought apt-get clean would have cleared all the dpkg cruft |
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| 00:07.24 | sivang | SpeedEvil: hmm, no gdu |
| 00:07.44 | SpeedEvil | the busybox du does not support -x alas |
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| 00:07.52 | SpeedEvil | - stay in one filesystem |
| 00:08.08 | sivang | i'll install it, just a ec |
| 00:08.12 | SpeedEvil | Actrually - it does |
| 00:08.23 | SpeedEvil | so just du -x|sort -nk1 |
| 00:08.28 | sivang | I wish it had maxdepth |
| 00:08.55 | SpeedEvil | that's why sort is handy |
| 00:09.43 | sivang | yes, it is |
| 00:12.08 | sivang | I wish HAM would allow to mark more than one app for removal |
| 00:12.22 | sivang | SpeedEvil: it is possible to reflash the whole device? I want to learn to do that. |
| 00:12.26 | sivang | SpeedEvil: including the eMMC |
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| 00:12.35 | javispedro | ~flashing |
| 00:12.35 | infobot | methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 00:12.39 | sivang | SpeedEvil: even though the tool is not open source |
| 00:12.40 | javispedro | hah, too late! |
| 00:12.43 | sivang | haha |
| 00:12.45 | sivang | thanks guys |
| 00:13.20 | johnx | yup, javispedro. infobot PMed me to tell me I was too late actually :) |
| 00:13.28 | javispedro | ~botsnack |
| 00:13.28 | infobot | :), javispedro |
| 00:13.29 | sivang | it does that?! |
| 00:13.34 | sivang | like a female, indeed. |
| 00:14.04 | sivang | "Too late, scare off me!" |
| 00:17.27 | sivang | did not mean to be unpolitically correct. |
| 00:18.16 | jpinx-eeepc | or politically incorrect? |
| 00:18.30 | javispedro | "sivang: you seem to have some misconceptions about those 'females'. Maybe you'd like to try the previously mentioned iphone application?" |
| 00:18.42 | sivang | apologizes to the ladies, I guess one very neat death experience cant count for all 'em |
| 00:18.58 | javispedro | :P |
| 00:18.58 | sivang | javispedro: remind me of it? |
| 00:19.12 | sivang | javispedro: I was fighting with splunk and rsyslog when you guys discussed it |
| 00:19.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sivang nearly killed a lady ? :/ |
| 00:19.21 | sivang | javispedro: heh |
| 00:19.30 | sivang | javispedro: other way around, |
| 00:19.32 | sivang | err |
| 00:19.36 | sivang | jpinx-eeepc: she always made me die |
| 00:19.49 | sivang | jpinx-eeepc: in a non physically violent way |
| 00:20.01 | sivang | she's married with children now, so all is good :) |
| 00:20.18 | sivang | why do themes get stored to rootfs?! |
| 00:20.19 | jpinx-eeepc | consider yourself reprieved ;) |
| 00:20.33 | johnx | sivang, where on the rootfs? |
| 00:21.03 | sivang | err, I just rmeoved it.. let me backlog the terminal |
| 00:22.36 | sivang | johnx: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267798/ |
| 00:22.46 | sivang | sugarlips? |
| 00:23.37 | johnx | sivang, ls -ld /usr/share/themes |
| 00:23.40 | sivang | ivisteel was there as well |
| 00:23.49 | sivang | and I wiped it and earned a lot back |
| 00:25.17 | sivang | johnx: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267798/ |
| 00:25.50 | johnx | sivang, kthx. I got it. now run the command I gave you |
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| 00:26.40 | sivang | johnx: oops repeated last paste, stupid buffer |
| 00:26.55 | johnx | you don't need to paste the result, just read it |
| 00:27.00 | johnx | I already know what the answer is |
| 00:27.07 | sivang | johnx: 672 |
| 00:27.15 | sivang | johnx: what does all this mean? |
| 00:27.32 | sivang | symlink/hardlink? |
| 00:28.03 | johnx | where the heck did you get 672? |
| 00:29.31 | sivang | that's the size... |
| 00:30.09 | johnx | if you were to run the command I gave you, you'd realize it was a symlink to /opt, ie, not on the rootfs |
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| 00:30.37 | sivang | johnx: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267800/ |
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| 00:31.01 | johnx | now see, that's *not* the command I gave |
| 00:31.11 | johnx | the trailing '/' makes a difference |
| 00:31.20 | sivang | ah.. |
| 00:31.24 | sivang | bad bad me |
| 00:31.29 | johnx | :) no problem |
| 00:31.35 | johnx | I thought you were being difficult on purpose |
| 00:31.40 | sivang | nono |
| 00:32.00 | sivang | sorry :/ /me retries |
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| 00:32.30 | johnx | sorry to be stubborn, but I'd much rather hand out the tools than the results ;) |
| 00:33.11 | sivang | http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267802/ |
| 00:33.23 | johnx | well that's special |
| 00:33.28 | johnx | are you on PR1.2? |
| 00:33.39 | sivang | no, I am trying to delete stuff to be able to go there :) |
| 00:34.01 | sivang | there are some stuff on /opt/themes though |
| 00:34.06 | johnx | interesting |
| 00:34.10 | sivang | I guess thopse were properly optified |
| 00:34.17 | sivang | in contrast to stock stuff |
| 00:34.40 | johnx | sorry for being stubborn earlier :) |
| 00:34.42 | sivang | what'\s more interesting is that space in rootfs goes a bit up, then down again and up to the same size |
| 00:34.48 | sivang | thorugh apt operations |
| 00:34.50 | sivang | (removal) |
| 00:35.15 | johnx | if you use apt-get from the CLI a lot, remember to use apt-get clean |
| 00:35.31 | sivang | johnx: do it al the time, maybe it is writeback'd ? |
| 00:35.33 | johnx | it only applies to packages you've installed, but it can make a big difference |
| 00:36.54 | sivang | I see, btw, anything I could get rid off fire and forget way from this: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/267803/ |
| 00:37.18 | johnx | nope |
| 00:37.37 | johnx | are those your biggest files? |
| 00:37.44 | johnx | well, you could apt-get remove rsync |
| 00:38.19 | sivang | yes, but I need it to back up the rootfs and eMMC before reflashing.., what about the .bin cache files from apt? |
| 00:38.28 | sivang | and the the ipyhon is obvious |
| 00:38.42 | sivang | johnx: seems like it (biggest files) |
| 00:38.44 | johnx | the apt files will just get remade when you try to upgrade |
| 00:40.28 | sivang | how is the one stock theme called? |
| 00:40.33 | sivang | I want to remove everything else |
| 00:40.44 | johnx | there are two stock themes, I think |
| 00:41.01 | johnx | just use dpkg -S /path/to/theme |
| 00:41.07 | johnx | should tell you which package owns it |
| 00:41.27 | johnx | I just ended up backing up and reflashing |
| 00:41.32 | johnx | seemed to work out ok for me |
| 00:44.03 | sivang | I'll do that and that's it I guess... |
| 00:44.26 | sivang | nice, ipython removed but all its file are there- shouldn't havenever installed something liekthat onto the tablet |
| 00:44.46 | johnx | use dpkg -S on the files |
| 00:44.53 | johnx | maybe they're owned by a related package |
| 00:45.43 | sivang | johnx: will do |
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| 00:46.27 | sivang | johnx: I'm getting addicted to this platform- the more I twiddle with it, the more fascinating it gets. |
| 00:46.46 | johnx | it'll be even nicer in meego I think |
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| 00:46.57 | johnx | should be a bit closer to a 'regular' linux distro |
| 00:50.27 | nox- | meego doesnt use apt tho, right? |
| 00:50.55 | johnx | it uses yum |
| 00:51.13 | johnx | I've resolved to give it a fair chance |
| 00:51.16 | sivang | johnx: yes, that what I liked in it the first place. It is my phone, but actually is a debian on the go |
| 00:51.37 | sivang | there's is no much point in favoring one packaging scheme to another these |
| 00:51.40 | sivang | days |
| 00:51.45 | sivang | yum is quite usable for experience |
| 00:52.00 | sivang | and caters for an apt experience on centos and fedoras |
| 00:52.05 | sivang | for me at leas, |
| 00:52.09 | johnx | yup, if I didn't give it a fair chance, it would just be me being lazy |
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| 00:54.42 | sivang | I don't get what's more eating the space on rootfs |
| 00:55.05 | sivang | anyway, really time to sleeping- I've past my daylight zone |
| 00:55.09 | sivang | almost |
| 00:55.12 | sivang | night all, again |
| 00:55.26 | johnx | 'night sivang |
| 00:55.41 | sivang | night johnx , thanks so much for you help. |
| 00:55.51 | johnx | no problem. good luck :) |
| 00:56.12 | sivang | will need it ,thanks |
| 00:57.17 | b-man` | johnx, http://d.hatena.ne.jp/bird_dip_jp/20100518 - it'd be awesome to get this going on the N900 :) |
| 00:57.43 | johnx | netbsd? |
| 00:58.00 | b-man` | yeah |
| 00:58.13 | b-man` | it would be an interesting experiment |
| 00:58.17 | johnx | it would |
| 00:58.18 | SpeedEvil | ponders the app he most wants on n900. |
| 00:58.45 | SpeedEvil | God continuous speech recognition is high on there. |
| 00:58.47 | SpeedEvil | good |
| 00:59.59 | johnx | b-man`, at this point, I don't think I could even offer you many hints on where to start that you don't already know :D |
| 01:00.29 | nox- | .oO(why do .jp sites always(?) use strange fonts...) |
| 01:00.34 | b-man` | hehe |
| 01:01.14 | johnx | nox-, so your question is "Why do Japanese sites use Japanese fonts?" |
| 01:01.26 | SpeedEvil | nox-: Because they're lazy, and won't learn english. |
| 01:01.28 | nox- | nah i meant for english text |
| 01:01.36 | johnx | the fonts look normal here |
| 01:01.40 | johnx | I think it's your config |
| 01:02.02 | nox- | well the spacing is pretty wide |
| 01:02.30 | johnx | yeah, that's because they're using the latin part of a japanese font |
| 01:02.50 | nox- | ah :) |
| 01:03.09 | johnx | though, I don't see it on the site that was linked, so I think it's a problem with the font your browser is choosing |
| 01:03.18 | nox- | heh ok |
| 01:03.35 | johnx | I do remember seeing it in the past though |
| 01:03.42 | nox- | maybe i need to install more japanese fonts then :) |
| 01:03.47 | SpeedEvil | The font is not terrible here, it's not great thoguh. |
| 01:04.46 | nox- | yeah it just looks like monospace with wide spacing |
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| 01:11.49 | johnx | pupnik, still thinking about that mobile craigslist thing. were you thinking about it in passing, or were you planning to actually make it? |
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| 01:19.30 | SpeedEvil | Ebay and craigslist and amazon have fundamental problems with being functional monopolies. |
| 01:19.37 | SpeedEvil | It's damn hard. |
| 01:20.32 | SpeedEvil | To break into an established market |
| 01:23.17 | johnx | yeah |
| 01:23.32 | johnx | I don't have a problem working with craigslist, but they don't have an API |
| 01:23.48 | johnx | and I've heard they purposefully make changes to keep people from scraping their site |
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| 01:41.12 | doc|home | mobile craigslist? |
| 01:41.32 | johnx | doc|home, something like that |
| 01:41.52 | doc|home | how does that work? |
| 01:42.17 | johnx | mainly thinking about ways to get better location data into craigslist postings |
| 01:42.36 | johnx | and then act on that data to return better results to the person searching |
| 01:42.46 | luke-jr__ | johnx: no, Unicode annoyingly defines separate codepoints to wide Latin chars |
| 01:42.54 | luke-jr__ | which are often used in Japanese software |
| 01:43.03 | johnx | such as input systems |
| 01:43.08 | doc|home | johnx: is accuracy of location really that important? Generally if it's in the same city most people are happy. |
| 01:43.47 | johnx | doc|home, kinda. I'm willing to drive 5mi to save $30, but I'm not willing to drive 50mi |
| 01:44.21 | johnx | seattle.craigslist.org covers an area centered around seattle that extends 50mi+ in all directions |
| 01:44.27 | doc|home | fair enough then |
| 01:45.08 | johnx | and maybe I'd like to pic up something really common on the way home from work, but if there isn't one near me I'd rather buy it new than drive too far from it |
| 01:45.18 | johnx | s/from it/for it |
| 01:46.42 | SpeedEvil | Craigslist is basically fail in my part of the world. |
| 01:47.01 | johnx | SpeedEvil, is there a regional site that works better? |
| 01:47.14 | SpeedEvil | no. |
| 01:47.20 | johnx | then give it time |
| 01:47.46 | SpeedEvil | For example - the largest nearby town - 140k population. |
| 01:47.51 | SpeedEvil | Category 'appliances' |
| 01:47.58 | SpeedEvil | There are two listed. |
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| 01:48.46 | doc|home | maybe people are very fond of their older style appliances :) |
| 01:49.12 | johnx | is there a good market for used appliances? |
| 01:49.29 | johnx | it's also possible that 'appliances' just isn't something people sell used to each other all that often |
| 01:51.12 | luke-jr__ | try 'refrigerator' |
| 01:51.13 | luke-jr__ | :p |
| 01:51.28 | johnx | Though really, hitting critical mass for something like a classified site takes a long time |
| 01:51.52 | SpeedEvil | Appliances for example with a 25 mile range has 130 hits on ebay |
| 01:53.03 | johnx | ah, then ebay is just more popular in your area |
| 01:53.13 | johnx | do you think it has to do with localization? |
| 01:53.27 | luke-jr__ | I think it has to do with pizza. |
| 01:53.29 | luke-jr__ | kthx |
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| 01:54.54 | SpeedEvil | craigslist was basically US only for a long time |
| 01:55.22 | johnx | even now, it seems like (for example) tokyo.craigslist.org is mostly used by English speakers |
| 01:55.28 | johnx | and none of the interface is localized |
| 01:55.38 | johnx | that's a really unfortunate omission, IMHO |
| 01:55.59 | SpeedEvil | It's not a localisation issue. |
| 01:56.09 | SpeedEvil | In scotland, we can mostly understand americans. |
| 01:56.28 | johnx | I didn't know where you were :) |
| 01:57.38 | jpinx-eeepc | SpeedEvil: ya reckon? |
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| 01:59.54 | SpeedEvil | The words at least. :) |
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| 02:27.50 | andax | <SpeedEvil>nox-: Because they're lazy, and won't learn english. <- unfortunately it is the opposite: computer scientists dont seem to learn something else than *"%&&/(*! english |
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| 02:30.22 | johnx | andax, nah. lot's learn C and Python and Scheme and Java, not just English |
| 02:31.44 | SpeedEvil | :) |
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| 02:32.31 | SpeedEvil | andax: Also - you forgot the closing bracket and quote. |
| 02:32.41 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 02:32.58 | andax | i learned some C too, because it seems there is no other language that works, which doesnt change the fact that some lines of the language looks like ASCII-vomitus :-) |
| 02:33.22 | andax | )" |
| 02:36.46 | asj | C isn't bad |
| 02:37.02 | asj | other languages are way worse |
| 02:37.24 | andax | thats true |
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| 02:39.53 | andax | and C is somehow "lingua franca" of IT: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lingua_franca |
| 02:40.05 | andax | with no replacement at my knowledge |
| 02:40.41 | andax | many languages like python, java, perl et cetera borrowed stuff from C and its predecessors |
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| 02:48.28 | andax | though, i believe C could be much nicer with more different characters than ASCII characters in its ontology and nomenclature. |
| 02:48.55 | pupnik | slingshots andax back to neptune |
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| 02:49.56 | andax | So that it could be called Ãberlanguage *g* |
| 02:50.26 | johnx | 26 letters ought to be enough for anyone |
| 02:50.38 | johnx | serial > parallel |
| 02:52.20 | andax | johnx, but only because keyboards have to be tiny today :-) |
| 02:53.24 | johnx | is this more to your liking? http://www.thocp.net/hardware/pictures/ibm_7090_console_med.jpg |
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| 02:57.08 | andax | johnx, pretty cool, blinking lights support was even better at that times :) |
| 02:57.22 | johnx | and quite portable too! :D |
| 02:57.24 | andax | johnx, i like that one as well http://sprott.physics.wisc.edu/Pickover/pc/moogrc1.jpg |
| 02:57.58 | johnx | looks like my car's electrical system |
| 02:58.10 | johnx | except smaller keyboard ... |
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| 03:02.12 | andax | it is a moog synthesizer |
| 03:03.06 | pupnik | MooGo |
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| 03:11.24 | wmarone | hm |
| 03:12.49 | andax | pupnik, why neptune? its hot as hell here *sweat* |
| 03:14.18 | pupnik | cause Uranus was full |
| 03:14.31 | pupnik | ducks |
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| 03:24.42 | luke-jr__ | andax: I agree. |
| 03:24.50 | luke-jr__ | johnx: not all characters are letters |
| 03:24.55 | luke-jr__ | for example, >= |
| 03:24.59 | luke-jr__ | could be ⥠|
| 03:25.09 | luke-jr__ | and == could be â¡ |
| 03:25.16 | johnx | serial > parallel |
| 03:25.30 | johnx | I never said otherwise |
| 03:25.53 | johnx | wait, I bet your an emacs guy :) |
| 03:26.00 | luke-jr__ | î§ |
| 03:26.00 | johnx | s/your/you're/ |
| 03:26.41 | johnx | hm. I don't appear to have a font installed that deals with that ... |
| 03:26.57 | luke-jr__ | johnx: and there's only two places to get one :D |
| 03:27.05 | luke-jr__ | one is me. the other is Armagetron Advanced. |
| 03:27.07 | luke-jr__ | :p |
| 03:27.15 | luke-jr__ | though the latter case requires trunk |
| 03:27.34 | johnx | and the question is: do I care enough to ... sorry got distracted, going back to what I was doing |
| 03:29.56 | andax | thanks luke-jr (and whow, i can see them correctly) |
| 03:31.11 | luke-jr__ | andax: you got Arma trunk? :p |
| 03:34.25 | andax | I guess no. Which ARMA? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARMA |
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| 03:36.33 | andax | "Arma, an extinct Choco language" lol |
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| 03:36.52 | johnx | mmmm, chocolate flavored languages |
| 03:37.32 | andax | awesome :) |
| 03:56.21 | luke-jr__ | andax: Armagetron Advanced |
| 03:56.41 | luke-jr__ | andax: besides me, AA trunk is the only source for a font to display them correctly ;P |
| 03:57.40 | andax | aah! |
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| 05:25.14 | delt | hello |
| 05:26.57 | delt | finally have the USB cable for my n810 .... plugging it to the PC has no effect without turning the n810 on? |
| 05:27.46 | delt | and when i do turn it on, it just keeps rebooting like it does not connected, except a blue "usb" logo is visible in the upper right for a second |
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| 05:30.35 | delt | only way to get it to stop rebooting is to take out the battery |
| 05:30.41 | delt | wtf?? |
| 05:30.48 | joga | what happened to it? |
| 05:31.14 | delt | i moved stuff from /usr/share to the 2gb partition, and forgot it was a WINDOWZ PARTITION. |
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| 05:32.00 | delt | so... no symlinks, no UID/GID on files, no rwx flags, ...... |
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| 05:32.20 | delt | finally have the USB cable for my n810 .... plugging it to the PC has no effect without turning the n810 on? |
| 05:32.28 | delt | and when i do turn it on, it just keeps rebooting like it does not connected, except a blue "usb" logo is visible in the upper right for a second |
| 05:32.57 | tank-man | so you want to flash it or what? |
| 05:32.59 | delt | then it shows a white screen with black rectangles in upper right and lower left, then reboots |
| 05:33.10 | delt | no, i just want to mount the partitions from a PC and fix it |
| 05:33.58 | tank-man | if its off, nothing will show up on yoru pc |
| 05:34.03 | delt | move the stuff back, see if that helps, if not, see if i can put the uid/perms/etc. the way they were |
| 05:34.14 | delt | otherwise at least keep a backup of stuff thats on it now |
| 05:34.54 | johnx | flash a rescue kernel to it and boot from micro sd |
| 05:35.05 | delt | dun have a SD card :( |
| 05:35.14 | johnx | the linux kernel is what provides the logic to let a PC access the file system |
| 05:36.14 | delt | ok.... so what fucktard decided that a few things missing from /usr/share makes the device unusable? |
| 05:36.32 | johnx | turn off watchdog, see if it boots then |
| 05:36.38 | delt | uh, how? |
| 05:37.17 | delt | tried holding down about every combination of buttons while turning it on |
| 05:37.22 | johnx | delt, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=n900+disable+watchdog |
| 05:37.31 | joga | (it's an n810) |
| 05:37.39 | delt | n810 here, not n900 |
| 05:37.55 | delt | same still works? |
| 05:37.56 | tank-man | lol ... |
| 05:38.24 | johnx | yes, googling still works if you have an N810 |
| 05:38.51 | joga | unbelievable! |
| 05:38.51 | delt | ok, found this http://andrew.daviel.org/N810-FAQ.html |
| 05:39.07 | delt | which i think i already read, and wasn't very useful. |
| 05:39.44 | joga | I found this http://carloseducesa.blogspot.com/2009/09/retu-watchdog-turning-off-n810.html |
| 05:39.48 | delt | oh, what is "r&d mode" |
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| 05:40.09 | johnx | http://carloseducesa.blogspot.com/2009/09/retu-watchdog-turning-off-n810.html |
| 05:40.44 | delt | ah, "flasher" ... source code available? |
| 05:40.50 | johnx | nope |
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| 05:42.02 | delt | so wtf would trigger the watchdog to reboot anyway... kernel panic? |
| 05:42.08 | johnx | lots of things |
| 05:42.23 | delt | because of /usr/share/locale and /usr/share/(misc.game stuff) missing??? |
| 05:42.39 | johnx | the gtk theme |
| 05:42.53 | johnx | icons, that sort of thing |
| 05:43.14 | delt | so how do i see the standard kernel bootup? |
| 05:43.44 | johnx | flash modified initrd or kernel |
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| 05:44.21 | delt | how do i flash just the kernel onto it? |
| 05:44.31 | delt | or do you mean use a SD card? |
| 05:44.39 | johnx | flasher -k kernel -f |
| 05:44.43 | johnx | ~flasher |
| 05:44.43 | infobot | i guess flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 05:45.04 | delt | oh and most importantly, is there a cross-compiler to even compile a kernel for arm cortex from a pc? |
| 05:45.24 | johnx | N810 has an ARM11, not a cortex A8 |
| 05:45.30 | johnx | and yes, of course there is |
| 05:45.37 | johnx | but not for windows I imagine |
| 05:45.43 | delt | linux here |
| 05:45.44 | johnx | dunno what you mean by PC |
| 05:45.54 | delt | linux slackware running on standard pc |
| 05:46.25 | johnx | you can get the maemo SDK from nokia, or just the cross compiler from probably code sourcery |
| 05:46.29 | johnx | or bootstrap your own |
| 05:46.38 | delt | so i could also put the real binutils commands etc etc...instead of busybox? |
| 05:46.48 | johnx | alongside, not instead of |
| 05:47.08 | delt | oh, that would be just as good |
| 05:47.19 | johnx | they're already packaged I think |
| 05:47.35 | delt | so, flasher..... available from nokia's website i would guess? |
| 05:47.43 | johnx | yup |
| 05:47.45 | johnx | ~flasher |
| 05:47.45 | infobot | it has been said that flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher |
| 05:48.16 | delt | thanks |
| 05:48.27 | delt | kind of tired, will take care of all this tomorrow.... |
| 05:48.44 | delt | good night and thx for the info |
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| 05:49.59 | RST38h | heya johnx |
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| 05:51.43 | johnx | hey RST38h |
| 05:51.48 | johnx | just on way to store |
| 05:51.50 | johnx | back in a bit |
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| 07:06.26 | hrw | morning |
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| 07:21.11 | rmrfchik | hi |
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| 07:54.42 | RST38h | Enjoy, punks: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/27/technology/27nokia.html?_r=2&pagewanted=1&ref=technology |
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| 08:02.52 | pexi | yeah, and they copied that from a small innovative company that introduced 2001-2002 fully java-based touchscreen phone with sliding and acc meter effects :) |
| 08:04.15 | pexi | actually only htc desiree has beaten that ux (for me) |
| 08:05.13 | pexi | donno what happened to that company but it sure didn't make it |
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| 08:09.54 | jarkkom | I'm pretty sure nokia actually had online app store in 2004/2005 unlike that article says because I did some contract work on one |
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| 08:10.47 | jarkkom | though it might've just been typically nokia to have multiple competing managers each pushing their own thing and ruining it for everyone |
| 08:12.00 | pexi | yeah, sonera sure did that :) |
| 08:12.47 | pexi | actually they gave the same projects to diff groups and the winning one was chosen to lead etc |
| 08:13.43 | jarkkom | probably main reason why app store thing failed was that symbian was just terrible to code for and there were only handful of 3rd party apps |
| 08:14.04 | Lopi | has anyone heard of http://github.com/rkirti/maemo_angstrom ? |
| 08:14.30 | jarkkom | people threatened to quit if you made them write symbian code |
| 08:14.47 | Stskeeps | Lopi: yeah, almost drove her mad :) |
| 08:15.02 | Lopi | hah |
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| 08:15.28 | Lopi | does it work well? |
| 08:15.34 | Stskeeps | not really, and is outdated |
| 08:16.00 | Lopi | hm, anything else out there like it? |
| 08:16.33 | Stskeeps | best way is meego |
| 08:16.46 | Lopi | :/ |
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| 08:36.41 | jacktheripper | hello, I'm trying to follow the packaging guide on the maemo wiki to create a debian package of libwnck. I followed everything mentioned but I don't get the binary in the its package or the headers/doc in its dev package. What am I missing !? |
| 08:37.13 | Lopi | Stskeeps, does rkirti still come to the maemo irc? |
| 08:38.33 | Stskeeps | sometimes |
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| 08:42.37 | rmrfchik | jacktheripper: do you have "install ..." in debian/rules? |
| 08:43.47 | jacktheripper | "install: " yes, as a template I think |
| 08:44.01 | jacktheripper | I mean I didn't mess with it |
| 08:45.06 | jacktheripper | first time I'm doing packaging. So be patient :D |
| 08:45.17 | jarkkom | anyone know what's easiest way to make whole layout (containing just QLables) clickable? |
| 08:45.24 | jarkkom | does just extending widget class and setting that custom class as widget for layout work? |
| 08:47.07 | rmrfchik | jacktheripper: it should install your files |
| 08:47.29 | rmrfchik | pastebin your debian/rules |
| 08:47.40 | rmrfchik | ASAP as I have to go soon ;) |
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| 08:49.23 | jacktheripper | http://pastebin.com/GqQdTr8t |
| 08:49.24 | jacktheripper | here! |
| 08:50.34 | rmrfchik | I think this will not work: $(MAKE) DESTDIR=$(CURDIR)/debian/tmp install |
| 08:51.06 | jacktheripper | well, it's not mentioned in the wiki that I should modify anything |
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| 08:57.40 | rmrfchik | do you use autotools? |
| 08:58.09 | jacktheripper | yes I think |
| 08:58.15 | jacktheripper | it's not my source code |
| 08:59.33 | rmrfchik | check debian/tmp dir |
| 08:59.40 | rmrfchik | any your files? |
| 09:00.24 | jacktheripper | yes |
| 09:00.30 | jacktheripper | they're libwnck compiled |
| 09:00.41 | jacktheripper | with headers |
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| 09:00.50 | rmrfchik | so, they should be in deb files then |
| 09:01.10 | jacktheripper | they aren't for some reason |
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| 09:01.49 | jacktheripper | at least not in data.tar.gz |
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| 09:02.25 | jacktheripper | data.tar.gz just has copyright and changelog in /usr/share/doc/libwnck/ |
| 09:03.38 | rmrfchik | have no idea :( |
| 09:04.03 | jacktheripper | thanks for the help anyway :D |
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| 10:08.17 | Khertan_ | Hi ! |
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| 10:09.10 | Khertan_ | Does the bluetooth mac address is like tcp/ip mac address with a range attributed to one developpers ? |
| 10:09.23 | kerio | i think so |
| 10:11.31 | Khertan_ | does we know which range is attributed to n900 ? |
| 10:13.04 | SpeedEvil | It's probably the range allocated to broadcom |
| 10:13.22 | SpeedEvil | the hardware manufacturer of the bluetooth device. |
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| 10:17.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 10:17.46 | Jaffa | tekojo: ping |
| 10:17.58 | tekojo | Jaffa: morning |
| 10:18.35 | Jaffa | tekojo: Who, in X-Fade's absence, can change the council@ mail alias? |
| 10:20.05 | tekojo | ferenc or eero, at least |
| 10:20.08 | tekojo | I'll ping |
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| 10:22.18 | Jaffa | tekojo: Thanks |
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| 10:25.58 | Khertan_ | SpeedEvil: hum ... will be difficult to differenciate n900 from other device using the same chipset |
| 10:26.34 | satmd | by mac? yes |
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| 10:26.54 | satmd | but luckily bluetooth has mechanisms to enumerated device services |
| 10:27.57 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 10:28.03 | SpeedEvil | I mean yes. |
| 10:28.17 | SpeedEvil | You can't generally tell devices from their ID alone. |
| 10:28.42 | SpeedEvil | Simply as it's the bluetooth devices ID you're measuring, and that will be shared among many makers of end-user hardware |
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| 10:45.35 | crashanddie | mrmoku|away, you can deactivate your away script. We don't care. |
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| 10:52.29 | zash | mrmoku|away: http://sackheads.org/~bnaylor/spew/away_msgs.html |
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| 10:53.27 | flexxxv | MohammadAG51: ping |
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| 10:55.41 | flexxxv | MohammadAG51: Are you now intrested in logs? because on one hand you say the thread is only there to attract developers and on the other you want some logs (but i was told here on irc that syslog isn't enogh). |
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| 10:58.48 | mece | 'ello |
| 10:58.54 | mece | how goes things? |
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| 11:04.12 | DocScrutinizer | away-script? |
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| 11:06.06 | DocScrutinizer | >> That said, changing your nick is a lesser sin than public /away messages, because it's easy to filter out. << |
| 11:07.37 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: what makes you think that's a script? Maybe mrmoku|away changed his nick voluntarily to document he's 2 weeks on holiday |
| 11:08.33 | tybollt | DocScrutinizer: public away messages? Ugh do people say 'me too' still, too? :) |
| 11:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | tybollt: heh? |
| 11:09.24 | DocScrutinizer | what fsckng public away message? |
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| 11:10.22 | DocScrutinizer | IRSeekBot: ? |
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| 11:10.45 | DocScrutinizer | IRSeekBot: status |
| 11:10.50 | DocScrutinizer | IRSeekBot: help |
| 11:10.54 | DocScrutinizer | IRSeekBot: info |
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| 11:12.11 | satmd | hm |
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| 11:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | zash: thanks for the link :-) |
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| 11:22.19 | mece | ouff |
| 11:22.20 | mece | halp |
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| 11:22.55 | mece | "Warning: Promotion of packages depending on libsdl-ttf2.0-0 has been disabled. We hope to remove this blockage as soon as possible." |
| 11:23.07 | mece | so what should the dependency be? is it libsdl-ttf2.0 ? |
| 11:23.12 | RST38h | laughs satanically |
| 11:23.19 | RST38h | FINALLY. |
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| 11:24.38 | Jaffa | mece: achipa is your man; I think libsdl-ttf2.0, but Nokia have caused (again) an enormous mess. |
| 11:25.03 | RST38h | Well, this is a pretty old problem, so "again" may not apply :) |
| 11:25.22 | mece | The two packages are the same, right? |
| 11:25.28 | mece | in terms of content |
| 11:25.37 | RST38h | yes |
| 11:25.40 | mece | ok. |
| 11:26.34 | ilius | does Global image contain all regions? |
| 11:26.45 | ilius | RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin |
| 11:26.52 | jacekowski | no |
| 11:27.20 | jacekowski | it's image for all regions except ones that have region specific image |
| 11:27.43 | ilius | hmmm |
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| 11:30.35 | DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: LOL |
| 11:31.10 | ilius | whats the different between regions? only localization? |
| 11:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | ilius: like india, UK, err... Vodafone :-P |
| 11:32.36 | DocScrutinizer | ilius: nobody knows for sure. Some might be regulatory (WLAN channels etc), some are pretty clear (for the chinese version :-D) |
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| 11:33.00 | DocScrutinizer | india missing skype afaik |
| 11:33.03 | ilius | DocScrutinizer: and sim card? |
| 11:33.08 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 11:33.13 | DocScrutinizer | not afaik |
| 11:33.38 | DocScrutinizer | as a general rule the global version works great for all regions |
| 11:34.13 | mece | Segway company owner dies in freak segway accident. |
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| 11:35.32 | Appiah | mece: ? |
| 11:35.53 | Appiah | Millionaire owner of Segway firm dies in freak accident after riding one of his two-wheel machines off a cliff |
| 11:35.58 | Stskeeps | really? |
| 11:35.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 11:35.59 | Appiah | oh my |
| 11:39.28 | RST38h | Appiah: Noooo? |
| 11:39.46 | Appiah | dont worry |
| 11:39.49 | DocScrutinizer | where's the "rumour has it he committed suicide after reading too much tmo" part? |
| 11:39.53 | Appiah | they wont stop making em |
| 11:40.13 | DocScrutinizer | or wait, is this OT maybe? |
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| 11:40.24 | RST38h | http://www.techeye.net/business/owner-of-segway-rides-segway-off-cliff-dies |
| 11:40.59 | Appiah | a n900 o a segway would be cool |
| 11:41.06 | Appiah | (now we are back on topic?) |
| 11:41.10 | Appiah | on* |
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| 11:44.47 | DocScrutinizer | ""No, Ladies and Gentlemen, let me demonstrate the cool new autopilot AI in Segway advanced!"" Garry, WTF did you do to the repositories? FUUUuuuu....<splash> |
| 11:45.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/No/Now |
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| 11:46.33 | Appiah | :) |
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| 11:49.09 | Termana | I don't even... |
| 11:49.20 | Termana | What idiot rides a segway near a cliff anyway? |
| 11:50.18 | DocScrutinizer | a 64y old idiot that bought Segway earlier this year because he thought it's cool to own the company building the thing he loves so much |
| 11:51.27 | Appiah | maybe he was trying something new, trying to bring the segway into "extreme" sports |
| 11:51.28 | joga | I got to try out a segway once, it was pretty funny |
| 11:51.36 | DocScrutinizer | I think you can find similar incidents for Ferraris, paragliders, whatnot |
| 11:52.15 | joga | this is way more cool http://crave.cnet.co.uk/cartech/dtv-shredder-gnarly-tank-inspired-skateboard-50000826/?tag=mncol;txt#ixzz10BctgSfs |
| 11:52.21 | DocScrutinizer | wonders what's an 'utter plonker' |
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| 11:52.46 | PeYKaR | Hi dudes, I'm facing with e disaster :D |
| 11:53.07 | PeYKaR | after flashing, my n900 does not detect my SIM card. any idea? |
| 11:53.44 | jacktheripper | guys ? I'm trying to package this library for maemo (my first ever debian package), I get all files created in debian/tmp but not in the actual .deb package. What am I missing ? |
| 11:54.13 | Termana | PeYKaR, flashed an older image than the one you had on there? |
| 11:54.45 | Termana | (eg. PR 1.1.1 when you had 1.2 on there, or whatever) |
| 11:54.46 | PeYKaR | Termana, i don't know what version it was. but i flashed with latest version (maemo 5) USA |
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| 11:56.10 | nidO | check the fw version installed |
| 11:56.21 | Termana | PeYKaR, Put a thin piece of cardboard/folded paper in the sim tray before putting your sim in, to hold it tight there |
| 11:56.54 | PeYKaR | Termana, i just worked fine before flashing... |
| 11:56.56 | PeYKaR | it* |
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| 11:58.44 | ilius | i flashed the same version (RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM) but there was absolutely no problem with sim card |
| 11:59.02 | DocScrutinizer | joga: (the bad guys would give up on general principle) that's exactly the American Way of omnipotence misconception. The bad guys will have big fun on on playing shooting clay pigeons with those badass soldiers |
| 11:59.03 | ilius | PeYKaR: maybe solve with that paper |
| 12:00.08 | PeYKaR | let me try |
| 12:01.59 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: check firmware version, clean SIM contacts, check for PEBKAC |
| 12:02.44 | toggles | i hate E: PEBKAC |
| 12:02.55 | DocScrutinizer | who doesn't |
| 12:03.09 | merlin1991 | pbekac? |
| 12:03.10 | merlin1991 | wtf? |
| 12:03.12 | toggles | sucks when it's your mum too |
| 12:03.19 | DocScrutinizer | yo |
| 12:03.26 | DocScrutinizer | ~pebkac |
| 12:03.26 | infobot | PEBKAC: Problem Exists Between Keyboard And Chair. |
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| 12:04.35 | alterego | Almost finished the food menu now :) |
| 12:04.42 | alterego | Which means, I've almost finished the site. |
| 12:04.59 | alterego | Well, content wise, then I have to work on refining the style. |
| 12:05.08 | merlin1991 | why don't you say 95% of computer errors, straight ? |
| 12:05.10 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, what is PEBKAC? |
| 12:05.11 | alterego | Got another meeting this evening, so hopefully he'll be happy with what I've got. |
| 12:05.19 | alterego | Oh, crap, wrong channel ... |
| 12:05.23 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: see backscroll |
| 12:05.23 | PeYKaR | :)) |
| 12:06.02 | merlin1991 | wants live partitions shrinking! |
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| 12:07.06 | merlin1991 | and scp over usb to the n900 is slow, really slow |
| 12:07.18 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: there's actually some reports about poorly manufactured SIM cards not contacting to the gold springs that well, so you have to support it someway (I usually suggest some layers of scotchtape to the back of SIM, rather than messing around with paper inlays) |
| 12:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: but when your SIM worked flawlessly before the upgrade, it's quite unlikely it borked on mere coincidence |
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| 12:09.35 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, any idea? :-/ |
| 12:09.50 | DocScrutinizer | >90% are user errors though, not correctly closing and locking the SIM holder |
| 12:10.40 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: make sure your image is the most recent COMBINED file, then reflash that one |
| 12:11.27 | DocScrutinizer | nokia download site is quite confusing, easy to pick the wrong image file |
| 12:11.47 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, i flashed with: RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin (PR 1.2 version 10.2010.19-1) |
| 12:11.59 | DocScrutinizer | looks ok |
| 12:12.02 | PeYKaR | mentioned: Latest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900 |
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| 12:12.22 | DocScrutinizer | maybe try global version instead |
| 12:12.36 | DocScrutinizer | dunno about the USA version |
| 12:12.54 | PeYKaR | I'm in iran, but i don't think it is a regional limit, because my friends flashed their owns with USA version. |
| 12:12.58 | DocScrutinizer | might conflict with a previous global version PR1.1.1 |
| 12:13.05 | PeYKaR | um |
| 12:14.15 | DocScrutinizer | USA has some rather screwed carriers, maybe the modem firmware for USA actually is different |
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| 12:15.12 | DocScrutinizer | like "do not accept any Iran SIM" X-P |
| 12:15.33 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, I'm downloading Middle East version... maybe makes it work |
| 12:15.53 | DocScrutinizer | I suggest to use global version |
| 12:16.12 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, ow, will download it too :) |
| 12:16.48 | DocScrutinizer | well, middle east might have some RTL text support that you like to get - tbh I got nfc what's the differences between the global and localized versions of PR |
| 12:17.35 | DocScrutinizer | just know a global device is supposed to work globally |
| 12:17.45 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, i think so :P |
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| 12:21.57 | crashanddie | docscrutinizer: are you actually doing it on purpose to be nearly un-understandable? |
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| 12:22.49 | crashanddie | "rtl tbh nfc pr" |
| 12:22.58 | crashanddie | you read like a mismanaged middle-manager :P |
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| 12:23.48 | TiagoTiago | hi |
| 12:24.31 | TiagoTiago | any idea why the builtin media player somtimes will switch to another weradio bookmark while playing http://spamradio.com/listen ? |
| 12:25.49 | merlin1991 | crashanddie, doc only has the long term irc disorder ;) |
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| 12:30.18 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: I would guess it's coming to the 'end' of a track due to a temporary glitch. |
| 12:31.59 | TiagoTiago | shouldn't it just stop playing? webradio bookmarks aren't supposed to be a playlist...... |
| 12:32.22 | SpeedEvil | I dunno |
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| 12:34.03 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can create a subfolder for webradio nbookmarks so ii can control to which stream it will switch to when it glitches like this? |
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| 12:36.09 | SpeedEvil | Dunno. I'm just hypothesising. |
| 12:37.02 | TiagoTiago | it makes sense, when it happens it always skips to the bookmark that comes after it |
| 12:37.25 | SpeedEvil | Is there a 'loop' mode? |
| 12:37.35 | Khertan_ | hum... t.m.o down |
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| 12:38.17 | crashanddie | X-Fade, what did you do again? |
| 12:38.29 | MohammadAG51 | he killed m.o. |
| 12:38.37 | crashanddie | Khertan_, it's working here... |
| 12:38.46 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, passed the test yet? |
| 12:38.58 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, not before the next couple months, lol |
| 12:39.06 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51, you know, I have a job, and all :) |
| 12:39.21 | MohammadAG51 | school counts as a job :P |
| 12:39.29 | crashanddie | no it don't :P |
| 12:39.39 | TiagoTiago | the only loop mode is with stored audio files, and it doesn't loop a single file, but all of them |
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| 12:41.23 | Khertan_ | crashanddie: uh ... didn't for me :( |
| 12:41.49 | TiagoTiago | it counts if you're a teacher |
| 12:41.58 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, I did not hold "u" button first time I flashed. but second time I reflashed it with holding "u". maybe it is because of that? isn't it? |
| 12:41.59 | MohammadAG51 | and a student |
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| 12:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: unlikely |
| 12:45.48 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: either flashing succeeds or it fails completely, leaving device in original state |
| 12:45.56 | DocScrutinizer | usally |
| 12:46.41 | DocScrutinizer | only way to create a borked flashing is to prematurely abort the process after it started to actually flash the device |
| 12:47.01 | TiagoTiago | or flash a bad image, no? |
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| 12:47.37 | DocScrutinizer | yes, but that's a successful flashing of a borked image then, not a borked flashing of a good image |
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| 12:49.03 | TiagoTiago | if there is bad contacts in the USB cable and you bump it during flash, will itr finish prematurelly or is there the chance it will send corrupt daata and jut keep flashing to the normal end? |
| 12:49.18 | SpeedEvil | USB is generally checksummed |
| 12:49.27 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, hooray, yaaay, worked like a charm :) Middle East version :) |
| 12:49.27 | SpeedEvil | at quite a low level |
| 12:49.30 | PeYKaR | DocScrutinizer, tnx dude :) |
| 12:49.42 | DocScrutinizer | PeYKaR: you're welcome |
| 12:49.50 | TiagoTiago | why do you like middle east version? |
| 12:50.06 | PeYKaR | TiagoTiago, scroll up :D |
| 12:50.18 | TiagoTiago | then why thumbdrives get bricked if you pull out too soon? |
| 12:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: (bad contacts) aiui the flashing process is secured by checksum |
| 12:51.23 | TiagoTiago | hm, i don't see why you would want the ME instead of the Global version, was that mentioned before i came? |
| 12:51.52 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: because you rip the the filesystem, just like with pulling plug of any arbitrary computer |
| 12:52.57 | TiagoTiago | ok, ut what about when you just bump it without completly removing it? |
| 12:53.18 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: actually for flash drives it's even worse, as the blocksize of an aborted "sector" write isn't 512 bytes as on former HDD, but something like 256k |
| 12:53.36 | merlin1991 | lol I love it how I have to apt-get remove rhytmbox-ubuntuone-music-store, to stop rhythmbox from segfaulting :D |
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| 12:53.50 | seif_ | hey guys |
| 12:54.15 | seif_ | my n900 tells me Device (memory card corrupted) |
| 12:54.20 | seif_ | any idea how i can fix that |
| 12:54.31 | DocScrutinizer | ~flashing |
| 12:54.31 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
| 12:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | only simple way |
| 12:54.44 | MohammadAG51 | o_O |
| 12:54.48 | MohammadAG51 | wtf mate |
| 12:55.02 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, for a corrupted external memory card? |
| 12:55.19 | DocScrutinizer | who said 'external' except of you |
| 12:55.26 | MohammadAG51 | that is external |
| 12:55.41 | MohammadAG51 | mine always says that |
| 12:55.52 | MohammadAG51 | cause fremantle is too retarded to detect ext3 |
| 12:55.59 | DocScrutinizer | actually seif_ provided so few info I shouldn't have answered at all, first instance |
| 12:56.08 | seif_ | MohammadAG51, i dont have a memory card in yet |
| 12:56.21 | MohammadAG51 | flashing it is |
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| 12:56.31 | psycho_oreos | I've fixed that issue with external flash to work with ext3, alas camera-ui app won't save photos to ext3 |
| 12:56.44 | MohammadAG51 | apologizes to DocScrutinizer |
| 12:56.56 | TiagoTiago | what if you simlink to it? |
| 12:57.12 | DocScrutinizer | (got a date and I'm late, so I try to answer faster on IRC X-P... to compensate) |
| 12:57.12 | GAN900 | Hooray for Nokia's proprietary differentiation. |
| 12:57.32 | MohammadAG51 | vfat can't have symlinks |
| 12:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: YEAH!! |
| 12:57.49 | sp3000 | which differentiation is this |
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| 12:58.02 | TiagoTiago | good luck Doc *crosses fingers hoping Doc'll get some* |
| 12:58.04 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: I made a 4G partition and shrunk mydocs onto this. |
| 12:58.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: good luck. |
| 12:58.15 | MohammadAG51 | has a 3GB /opt |
| 12:58.20 | SpeedEvil | psycho_oreos: Then a 26G remainder. |
| 12:58.21 | DocScrutinizer | ""we differentiate in that we force user to use borked apps"" |
| 12:58.28 | GAN900 | sp3000, camera-ui, at the moment. |
| 12:58.30 | TiagoTiago | ah, yeah, you gotta save to vfat |
| 12:58.46 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, you know what we're doing in hostmode's development |
| 12:58.55 | sp3000 | what, there's a better nonprop alternative at hand? :) |
| 12:58.56 | psycho_oreos | wouldn't corrupted mean the partition itself is not mountable? I've had that issue awhile back, corrupted internal storage but the data remains visible and intact when connected to host PC, after mounting and checking the contents |
| 12:59.00 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: date with a doc to fix my left arm :-S |
| 12:59.04 | MohammadAG51 | # Real hackers don't read docs. |
| 12:59.07 | MohammadAG51 | we read docs |
| 12:59.20 | GAN900 | sp3000, there would be if Nokia had opensourced it. |
| 12:59.27 | TiagoTiago | oh, lol |
| 12:59.34 | sp3000 | there is that |
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| 12:59.42 | GAN900 | sp3000, point being, most of Nokia's differentiation code just plain sucks. |
| 12:59.46 | psycho_oreos | SpeedEvil, heh my solution was to create loopfs and mount them through there.. I have not been able to repartition that 29GB (and not willing to) |
| 12:59.50 | sp3000 | sure :) |
| 12:59.58 | sp3000 | can't the host fsck it just fine? |
| 12:59.58 | TiagoTiago | i would call that an appointment and not a date, dates are usually the romantic kind |
| 13:00.08 | sp3000 | or, wasn't that the traditional solution |
| 13:00.24 | RST38h | GAN900: MicroB (and Symbian browser) are Nokia differentiation code |
| 13:00.28 | RST38h | And the DO NOT suck |
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| 13:00.52 | RST38h | Symbian address book and (to some degree) media player do not suck either |
| 13:00.55 | sp3000 | ...on the ooutside? :) |
| 13:01.10 | MohammadAG51 | Maemo isn't what I expected it to be though |
| 13:01.14 | SpeedEvil | Maps sort-of-doesn't suck. |
| 13:01.27 | RST38h | So, I would avoid the "sucks" qualifier |
| 13:01.33 | TiagoTiago | MicroB's settings are randomlly generated each time i load it, they are not saved at all |
| 13:01.39 | SpeedEvil | the connection agent is annoying. |
| 13:01.41 | RST38h | They are saved here |
| 13:01.41 | MohammadAG51 | most sites said "open device" |
| 13:01.47 | MohammadAG51 | false advertising sucks |
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| 13:01.55 | GAN900 | RST38h, browser-ui sucks. |
| 13:02.06 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: It is an open device. |
| 13:02.14 | RST38h | GAN: Got 2-3 warts |
| 13:02.14 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: It's the most open phone out there. |
| 13:02.17 | MohammadAG51 | the system isn't |
| 13:02.22 | RST38h | GAN: What sucks is Nokia unwilling to fix them |
| 13:02.35 | DocScrutinizer | psycho_oreos: (repartition) see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for repartitioning the easy way, during VANILLA flashing |
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| 13:02.40 | MohammadAG51 | i agree it's the most open phone, but it's not an open phone |
| 13:02.42 | GAN900 | RST38h, yeah, that's the worst part. |
| 13:02.42 | RST38h | For example, not providing saved setting for the freaking reflow feature |
| 13:02.44 | TiagoTiago | the device itself isn't quite open, lots of proprietary hardware |
| 13:03.01 | GAN900 | At least they could let the community take over. |
| 13:03.12 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: I would say that nokia n900 - at the time of launch - was significantly more fundamentally open than the openmoko neo1973 a year later. |
| 13:03.15 | RST38h | GAN: Stuff like this can be fixed by community in a week |
| 13:03.16 | GAN900 | TiagoTiago, like what? |
| 13:03.26 | MohammadAG51 | TiagoTiago, hardware can't be closed |
| 13:03.29 | MohammadAG51 | drivers can be |
| 13:03.31 | RST38h | GAN: 'cause it is trivial technically |
| 13:03.39 | SpeedEvil | As it basically functioned, and let devs do stuff to provide apps for users. |
| 13:03.46 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago: sorry, my non-technical english conversation skills suck like hell |
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| 13:04.12 | SpeedEvil | Open devices can suck if they have a bad software stack. |
| 13:04.29 | TiagoTiago | Anyone can get their hands on the plans for the ARM processors or the GSM modem? |
| 13:04.36 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 13:04.49 | psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer, thanks for that but I'm not too particularly interested in it :) hopefully once I get my 32GB mmc I'll be able to allocate the entire thing as ext3 for more scratch spaces |
| 13:05.55 | TiagoTiago | if yes, what are the license for those plans? |
| 13:06.04 | TiagoTiago | licenses* |
| 13:06.12 | RST38h | TiagoTiago <== hardly knows what he is talking about |
| 13:06.26 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 13:06.49 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: you can get your hands on the ARM processor specs. Though not the TI implementation of it. And the full docs of a GSM/HDSPA/... modem. |
| 13:07.04 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: It will not be cheap, and will come with NDAs. |
| 13:07.20 | TiagoTiago | doesn't sound open |
| 13:07.34 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: I wonder what he is going to do with these specs |
| 13:07.52 | SpeedEvil | You also need a billion dollar fab to instantiate the ARM chip. |
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| 13:08.16 | TiagoTiago | aren't specs just numbers, like component count and performance measurements/expectations? |
| 13:08.24 | SpeedEvil | No. |
| 13:08.43 | SpeedEvil | Full specs of the ARM chip includes detailed mask design and VHDL/... glue logic. |
| 13:08.49 | DocScrutinizer | raster: hi :-D |
| 13:08.51 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 13:09.09 | TiagoTiago | ~specs |
| 13:09.17 | TiagoTiago | balls |
| 13:10.05 | SpeedEvil | Full specs are what would enable you to make your own device from sand and rocks. |
| 13:10.28 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 13:10.36 | DocScrutinizer | nothing out there in this universe comes with FULL specs of that kind |
| 13:10.51 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:11.03 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: well, you have specs of specific arm chip that are just numbers and how to use it |
| 13:11.16 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: and you have specs from arm that have full design of chip |
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| 13:12.36 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 13:12.47 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, I like to try and catch that appointment. Need my arm for the future |
| 13:12.49 | DocScrutinizer | cya |
| 13:13.03 | TiagoTiago | good luck, cya |
| 13:13.34 | MohammadAG51 | gives DocScrutinizer an ARM Coretex-8 |
| 13:13.42 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:13.44 | MohammadAG51 | Cortex* |
| 13:14.02 | MohammadAG51 | ShadowJK, ping |
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| 13:15.09 | TiagoTiago | If you gotta pay and sign a NDA, or reverse engineer the thing to get the plans for the hardware, i don't think you can call that hardware open |
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| 13:15.30 | SpeedEvil | ARM will sell you the plans outright. |
| 13:15.40 | SpeedEvil | It will be hideously expensive. |
| 13:15.45 | TiagoTiago | without a NDA? |
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| 13:15.49 | SpeedEvil | Yes. |
| 13:15.58 | MohammadAG51 | $200k? |
| 13:16.09 | SpeedEvil | No, much, much more. |
| 13:16.12 | TiagoTiago | why isn't it on Wikileaks or some torrent sites already? |
| 13:16.18 | merlin1991 | got some spare cash MohammadAG51 ? :D |
| 13:16.26 | SpeedEvil | A sizeable fraction of the value of company ARM. |
| 13:16.32 | MohammadAG51 | $200kk? |
| 13:16.40 | MohammadAG51 | merlin1991, i wish |
| 13:16.57 | jacekowski | i think not so much |
| 13:17.07 | TiagoTiago | So basicly you would have to buy the IP becoming the new owner? |
| 13:17.30 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
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| 13:17.39 | SpeedEvil | If you want the rights to distribute it. |
| 13:17.40 | MohammadAG51 | pays 200kk and makes a new CPU |
| 13:17.48 | jacekowski | i mean they get most of their money from fee that you pay for each unit manufacture |
| 13:17.51 | jacekowski | manufactured |
| 13:17.58 | MohammadAG51 | is FOOT FET-9 a good name? |
| 13:18.04 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:18.14 | jacekowski | i mean i saw a development board |
| 13:18.25 | jacekowski | that had fpga instead of real cpu |
| 13:18.29 | Venemo | hi guys |
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| 13:18.34 | TiagoTiago | hello |
| 13:19.02 | TiagoTiago | all these busyness talk is just confirming the thing is closed |
| 13:19.03 | Venemo | my N900's battery is totally dead, and it won't charge either on the wall charger or a USB cable |
| 13:19.15 | jacekowski | try to reboot |
| 13:19.21 | jacekowski | hadr reboot |
| 13:19.22 | TiagoTiago | perhaps your usb port is dead? |
| 13:19.30 | jacekowski | and it may be your failing usb port failed |
| 13:19.40 | Venemo | no |
| 13:19.40 | Surfa | it may well be died battery too |
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| 13:19.45 | Venemo | it is shut down |
| 13:19.50 | Surfa | that's exactly the way it behaves as it dies |
| 13:19.52 | Venemo | and it won't turn on |
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| 13:20.06 | MohammadAG51 | Surfa, not if bme isn't running |
| 13:20.09 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Unplug battery. Leave out for a minute. Plug battery back in. Attach to wall-charger. |
| 13:20.12 | TiagoTiago | would plugging to the wall without the battery be a good idea? |
| 13:20.14 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Leave for an hour. |
| 13:20.25 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Do you happen to have a voltmeteR? |
| 13:20.26 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: no |
| 13:20.29 | Surfa | MohammadAG51, doesn't really mean anything |
| 13:20.31 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 13:20.38 | MohammadAG51 | Surfa, actually, it does |
| 13:20.53 | Surfa | MohammadAG51, i have seen plenty of devices behaving such way if battery doesn't work |
| 13:20.54 | MohammadAG51 | SpeedEvil, hmm? DocScrutinizer's hotswap depends on that |
| 13:21.00 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: I don't have one right now |
| 13:21.17 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: I plugged it out and in, and left it on the wall charger for over 8 hours |
| 13:21.29 | MohammadAG51 | Surfa, stop bme, the device will cold shut down when the battery's dead |
| 13:21.34 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: although I didn't wait a minute before plugging it back |
| 13:21.50 | SpeedEvil | MohammadAG51: It also relies on setting teh device in a very specific condition first |
| 13:22.00 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: a minute shouldn't really be needed. |
| 13:22.15 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: had you got any indications that your USB connector was dodgy? |
| 13:22.19 | MohammadAG51 | my device charges fine when it's dead |
| 13:22.25 | MohammadAG51 | cold dead |
| 13:22.33 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: no |
| 13:22.51 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: although I did stop bme, so I think the battery is simply dead |
| 13:23.06 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Do you get a light when you plug in the charger? |
| 13:23.10 | MohammadAG51 | bq27xx chaeging should always kick in |
| 13:23.17 | Surfa | Venemo, if i were you i'd try out other battery in the first place and try anything else afterwards |
| 13:23.19 | MohammadAG51 | charging |
| 13:23.29 | SpeedEvil | Hardware charging should always start then on flat battery, and give orange light. |
| 13:23.45 | SpeedEvil | Once the device boots initally though things can go wrong. |
| 13:23.45 | MohammadAG51 | even without a battery |
| 13:24.01 | TiagoTiago | steady orange (or amber depending on your eyes and semantics) |
| 13:24.26 | Appiah | about charging: this morning I plugged the charger in on the n900 |
| 13:24.27 | crashanddie | or yellow |
| 13:24.31 | Appiah | and the n900 shut down |
| 13:24.37 | Appiah | this has happend to me before |
| 13:24.42 | MohammadAG51 | without a battery and with a broken kernel, you can start the device without a battery |
| 13:24.53 | TiagoTiago | did it come back? or stayed off? |
| 13:24.55 | Appiah | and I need to take out the battery and insert it again to be able to start it |
| 13:25.03 | TiagoTiago | oh, wow |
| 13:25.15 | Appiah | happend last week too =/ |
| 13:25.23 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: nothing happens when I plug in the charger. no LEDs |
| 13:25.27 | TiagoTiago | is it hot? |
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| 13:25.39 | TiagoTiago | is the usb port loose at all? |
| 13:25.48 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: no |
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| 13:26.04 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: it is not loose, and the N900 doesn't get hot |
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| 13:26.26 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: Do you also not get any lights when plugged into a computer? |
| 13:26.43 | TiagoTiago | did you use it in a moist environment or dropped any liquids on it? |
| 13:27.34 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: indeed |
| 13:27.49 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: no, I didn't |
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| 13:27.59 | sivang | hi all! |
| 13:28.08 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: My first attempt would be to unplug battery for a minute, to ensure it's not a state problem. Then I'd go looking for a multimeter. |
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| 13:28.37 | sivang | lo rodarvus :) |
| 13:28.57 | TiagoTiago | why people on Africa can use their mobiles as wireless wallet even for things like vending machines and I have to a significant percentage of minuimum wage just to browse the web on my mobile? :/ |
| 13:29.22 | TiagoTiago | have to pay a significant* |
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| 13:29.44 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: ekhm, where? |
| 13:29.46 | Myrtti | TiagoTiago: because it's probably different technology |
| 13:30.01 | Termana | TiagoTiago, because you my sad friend, live in America and not Africa. That's why. |
| 13:30.12 | Myrtti | or Europe |
| 13:30.13 | TiagoTiago | no, i blame the governament and the carriers |
| 13:30.34 | Appiah | hey its the land of the free right? |
| 13:30.40 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: Where ar eyou? |
| 13:30.42 | Myrtti | passive aggressive complaining always helps |
| 13:30.43 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: I forgot. |
| 13:30.45 | Appiah | free to take any charge(rate?) :) |
| 13:30.51 | Myrtti | I find it most consoling |
| 13:30.58 | TiagoTiago | too many taxes and the carriers want too big profits for too little service |
| 13:31.04 | TiagoTiago | Brazil |
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| 13:31.50 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: so what do I do with a multimeter? |
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| 13:32.00 | crashanddie | multimete |
| 13:32.14 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: set it to volts. Measure the voltage between the + and - connections on the battery |
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| 13:32.20 | TiagoTiago | Do you want me to tell you where you should stick it? |
| 13:32.28 | TiagoTiago | Xp |
| 13:32.53 | Venemo | well, I don't have a multimeter with me |
| 13:33.12 | Venemo | sorry, I was not familiar with the meaning of the word in English :( |
| 13:33.32 | TiagoTiago | would licking the battery work? |
| 13:33.45 | TiagoTiago | sorry, i was just being silly |
| 13:34.32 | sivang | TiagoTiago: same here |
| 13:35.06 | TiagoTiago | a multimeter is a device that measures a bunch of electricity related properties of stuff, can be used to check the charge of batteries if set correctly |
| 13:35.13 | Termana | Is there anyway to get the N900 camera to, you know, not suck? |
| 13:35.31 | SpeedEvil | Termana: in what way |
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| 13:35.42 | SpeedEvil | It is astonishing for what it is. |
| 13:35.47 | Termana | SpeedEvil, all my pictures turn out blurry and dark |
| 13:35.53 | Termana | (even with the flash) |
| 13:35.54 | SpeedEvil | But you can only get so much performance out of something 6*6mm |
| 13:35.59 | SpeedEvil | In the dark? |
| 13:36.00 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: yeah, I figured that out :) thanks :) |
| 13:36.10 | Termana | SpeedEvil, in the light |
| 13:36.15 | SpeedEvil | http://www.flickr.com/photos/14560445@N08/ - all my recent pics are n900 |
| 13:36.29 | SpeedEvil | I'd not say they suck. |
| 13:36.31 | sivang | Termana: just don't try dark photos with it, and it is quite good. |
| 13:36.42 | TiagoTiago | didn't they break some records in the N8 with some optics and material tricks? |
| 13:36.45 | SpeedEvil | fcam will do very good efforts in the dark. |
| 13:36.57 | sivang | SpeedEvil: yet another app? :) |
| 13:37.00 | sivang | fast cam? |
| 13:37.02 | SpeedEvil | (the composition of the pictures may suck) |
| 13:37.03 | sivang | like fam |
| 13:37.15 | visz | also lack of details in the target helps |
| 13:37.18 | SpeedEvil | But the dynamic range/resolution are acceptable. |
| 13:37.20 | TiagoTiago | what is you guys' opinions on that Bless900 prog? |
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| 13:37.26 | sivang | SpeedEvil: I had troulbe falling asleep knowing I did not managet to set up USB networking :) |
| 13:37.32 | dsg | n900 camera is really shitty in low-light, but good for outdoors in daylight |
| 13:37.45 | SpeedEvil | dsg: It's OK for slow-shots indoors with fcam. |
| 13:37.52 | Venemo | sivang: use Mad Developer |
| 13:38.01 | jpinx-eeepc | dsg: I get not bad results with flash |
| 13:38.06 | TiagoTiago | I saw on the web some night videos taken with N900 and they looked surprisingly good |
| 13:38.08 | visz | http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs185.snc4/37577_1505114797535_1524226484_1232793_5100651_n.jpg <- one of my favourite N900 pictures |
| 13:38.18 | sivang | ah, fcam the research project |
| 13:38.24 | sivang | funny I read about it 3 motnhs ago and frogot |
| 13:38.31 | dsg | SpeedEvil: Hm, haven't tried fcam :) |
| 13:38.31 | crashanddie | visz, that ain't an N900, THAT'S NOTRE DAME! |
| 13:38.44 | visz | strasbourg |
| 13:38.51 | sivang | Venemo: yes, but that doesn't make me not need to setup networking |
| 13:38.52 | crashanddie | same difference |
| 13:39.07 | visz | oh, right |
| 13:39.10 | visz | Cathédrale Notre-Dame-de-Strasbourg |
| 13:39.12 | SpeedEvil | fcam can produce OK pictures where the PR1.1 viewfinder would have been black. |
| 13:39.19 | SpeedEvil | PR1.2 got lots better with night mode. |
| 13:39.21 | sivang | I have some pretty nice ones from somewhere very nice in Europe :) |
| 13:39.49 | sivang | oh ! I must continue my persuit to flashing but before backing up but for that I need USB networking :-P |
| 13:40.02 | TiagoTiago | that beaked thing photo was taken with a N900? |
| 13:40.08 | sivang | vidoes are better than photos in the dark, even with my PR1.1. |
| 13:40.54 | TiagoTiago | why are you still using the older PR? |
| 13:41.01 | Venemo | SpeedEvil: okay, I now separated the battery for more than a minute. put it back, put the N900 on the charger. no effect |
| 13:41.59 | TiagoTiago | you're placing the battery in the right position, right? |
| 13:42.26 | SpeedEvil | Venemo: I would be leaning towards hardware problems. |
| 13:42.33 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: yes... |
| 13:42.55 | MohammadAG51 | suggests charging it externally |
| 13:43.02 | TiagoTiago | btw, check the contacts on both ends see if the metal plates aren't bent out of the way |
| 13:43.34 | MohammadAG51 | TiagoTiago, Venemo knows his shit :P |
| 13:43.43 | TiagoTiago | k.... |
| 13:44.16 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: they are not bent in any way. This happens since the battery was depleted yesterday, so I would bet this is an issue with the battery itself |
| 13:44.30 | MohammadAG51 | or the bq chip |
| 13:44.48 | MohammadAG51 | and it only appeared yesterday since the bat was depleted |
| 13:45.03 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: before you ask, no, I didn't short-circuit it. neither did I throw it into fire, nor any ridiculous stuff like that |
| 13:45.19 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 13:45.34 | DocScrutinizer | ~flatbatrecover |
| 13:45.34 | infobot | Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover |
| 13:45.43 | MohammadAG51 | did you drink consume the battery as an energy drink? |
| 13:46.00 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: you are the third one today recommending that. :) |
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| 13:46.24 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: and it isn't working |
| 13:47.09 | TiagoTiago | do you happen to be flying over the Bermuda triangle, or have you witnessed any hauntings latelly? |
| 13:47.09 | DocScrutinizer | then your hardware is broken (or more likely you're not exactly following the recomendations, or have a borked firmare image on your sevice) |
| 13:47.15 | DocScrutinizer | device* |
| 13:47.27 | dsg | Venemo: Sounds similar to my first n900, USB connector ripped the track up from the PCB so it stopped charging in the middle of the night, in the morning it was permanently dead |
| 13:47.36 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: no, I simply stopped bme and let it deplete |
| 13:47.44 | TiagoTiago | it's not even lighting up steady, so i don't think it can be a firmware issue |
| 13:47.54 | Venemo | DocScrutinizer: the LED doesn't light up |
| 13:47.54 | MohammadAG51 | DocScrutinizer, firmware can't affect the bq afaik |
| 13:48.39 | sivang | hey MohammadAG51 |
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| 13:49.03 | sivang | DocScrutinizer: there's something enchanting with the word "b0rk3d" |
| 13:49.11 | MohammadAG51 | i'm off |
| 13:49.15 | MohammadAG51 | hi sivang |
| 13:49.19 | MohammadAG51 | studying, cya |
| 13:49.25 | Venemo | MohammadAG51: goodbye |
| 13:50.47 | Venemo | I think I'll check whether the device works with another battery. if yes, the battery died. if no, then something else is wrong and a warranty repair is in order |
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| 13:51.56 | TiagoTiago | remember to check if it can charge other batteries to confirm if it isn't the USB socket gone bad |
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| 13:52.08 | Venemo | TiagoTiago: good thought |
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| 13:53.41 | h4waii | Venemo, no joy? |
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| 13:54.49 | Venemo | h4waii: I don't have another BL-5J with me, so I dunno |
| 13:55.07 | sivang | retires USB networking setup. |
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| 13:57.49 | TiagoTiago | erm |
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| 13:59.40 | TiagoTiago | i unplugged the charger on mine, it went ploool with the battery indicator red, i quickly plugged the charger back in panic, but then i remembwred i had just checked a few minutes ago and it had full battery, so i unplugged the charger again and now it recognized the full charge....go figure.... |
| 13:59.51 | h4waii | When you plug it in, watch the LED very closely - does it spark just a TAD? |
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| 14:00.05 | TiagoTiago | me? |
| 14:00.12 | h4waii | No, Venemo |
| 14:00.39 | TiagoTiago | k |
| 14:01.14 | Venemo | h4waii: nope |
| 14:01.28 | Venemo | h4waii: not at all |
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| 14:02.25 | dsg | TiagoTiago: You can't trust the battery meter, especially after a partial charge. This is true of all consumer electronics. |
| 14:03.16 | TiagoTiago | it had been plugged for hours and with the screen off the LED was green |
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| 14:03.45 | TiagoTiago | it choked when i pulled the plug the first time, but got it right the seocond time |
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| 14:05.55 | h4waii | Venemo, you CAN direct wire lines to the hot and ground on the battery to charge it. |
| 14:06.22 | h4waii | Venemo, but I wouldn't do it for more than an hour or so. Or just buy an external charger and spare BL-5J. |
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| 14:09.17 | GAN900 | Jaffa, ping? |
| 14:10.38 | mrmoku | crashanddie: sorry for annoying you... will turn it off |
| 14:10.46 | mrmoku | zash: yeah, nice link, thanks :) |
| 14:10.49 | crashanddie | thanks, much appreciated. |
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| 14:13.21 | jacekowski | h4waii: there is no hot on battery |
| 14:13.26 | jacekowski | h4waii: it's positive and negative |
| 14:14.14 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: that happens quite often |
| 14:14.17 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: bme goes haywire |
| 14:14.23 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: you have to reboot |
| 14:14.39 | Jaffa | GAN900: pong |
| 14:14.45 | Jaffa | GAN900: Thanks for doing so much of the issue last night |
| 14:16.10 | TiagoTiago | it seems to be working right now, i'll wait for a bit more and see if the baterry charge indicator doesn't go down, only then i'll reboot (unless somthing else makes me reboot earlier) |
| 14:17.33 | jacekowski | uptime junkie? |
| 14:18.04 | TiagoTiago | lol |
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| 14:18.38 | TiagoTiago | just don't wanna reboot when i don't have too |
| 14:18.54 | TiagoTiago | right now it seems to be working alright |
| 14:19.02 | GAN900 | Jaffa, I like Engadget's source/via links. |
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| 14:19.11 | GAN900 | Jaffa, can we do something like that for mwkn? |
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| 14:19.18 | GAN900 | Jaffa, and no problem. :) |
| 14:19.21 | TiagoTiago | the lowcharge scare seems to have been just a hiccup |
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| 14:19.44 | visz | unrelated, but cool: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/23/adobe-shows-off-plenoptic-lenses-that-let-you-refocus-an-image-a/ |
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| 14:19.46 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: lshal|grep battery.voltage.current |
| 14:20.05 | vatsap | i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. i tried googling it... i cudnt get a proper ans.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? |
| 14:20.06 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: 4165 or so = fully charged. 3000= empty. |
| 14:20.46 | TiagoTiago | 4001 |
| 14:20.53 | SpeedEvil | mostly flat then |
| 14:20.56 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 14:21.01 | SpeedEvil | 60% or soc harge I mean |
| 14:21.07 | TiagoTiago | that was a 4 |
| 14:21.28 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 14:22.11 | TiagoTiago | according to BatteryGraph it's pretty close to full |
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| 14:23.57 | Jaffa | GAN900: Rather than just "read more"? |
| 14:24.09 | SpeedEvil | batterygraph believes the normal API I think. |
| 14:24.10 | vatsap | i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? |
| 14:24.12 | SpeedEvil | Which is broken. |
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| 14:27.22 | TiagoTiago | it got like 3 or 4 different lines that move somewhat close together while the charger is unplugged, they all seem to be related to battery charge and they are all near the top |
| 14:28.46 | TiagoTiago | ok, now the battery charge indicator in the status bar shows a little bit of charge gone, still close to the top |
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| 14:30.13 | TiagoTiago | are you saying that if i reboot now it will jump to about half charge left? |
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| 14:32.18 | TiagoTiago | well, ok, lets see what hapen |
| 14:33.05 | vatsap | hello der.... i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? |
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| 14:34.48 | TiagoTiago | nope, it's still shows the same amount of charge |
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| 14:37.15 | TiagoTiago | perhaps the maximum my battery ever gets is significantly lower than it should be? |
| 14:38.36 | jacekowski | reboot |
| 14:38.43 | TiagoTiago_ | just did |
| 14:39.02 | jacekowski | hmm |
| 14:39.08 | jacekowski | stop bme |
| 14:39.13 | jacekowski | and discharge it |
| 14:39.22 | TiagoTiago_ | what do you mean? |
| 14:39.27 | jacekowski | and charge it as soon as it dies |
| 14:39.47 | TiagoTiago_ | just keep using battery till it dies? |
| 14:39.54 | jacekowski | yes |
| 14:39.57 | jacekowski | but with stopped |
| 14:40.00 | jacekowski | stopped bme |
| 14:40.09 | jacekowski | so it dies because of low voltage shutdown |
| 14:40.16 | jacekowski | and then charge it with dedicated charger |
| 14:40.26 | jacekowski | that may help |
| 14:40.29 | TiagoTiago_ | is there a way to do it in jsut a few minutes without harming anything? |
| 14:40.35 | jacekowski | no |
| 14:40.39 | jacekowski | it will take hours |
| 14:40.41 | TiagoTiago_ | you mean the wall charger or a separated battery charger? |
| 14:41.19 | jacekowski | wall charger |
| 14:41.27 | jacekowski | it should go into emergency charge mode |
| 14:41.37 | jacekowski | and don't try to start it |
| 14:41.40 | jacekowski | just leave it |
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| 14:42.04 | TiagoTiago | and that will make it show full battery with a bigger value? |
| 14:42.08 | jacekowski | maybe |
| 14:42.16 | jacekowski | nothing else you can do |
| 14:42.30 | jacekowski | but it will let bq27000 learn true capacity of battery |
| 14:42.48 | GAN900 | Jaffa, yeah. |
| 14:43.05 | TiagoTiago | is it dangerous to let it die of low charge? like will there be risk it will mess up the file system? |
| 14:43.08 | GAN900 | Jaffa, since we get that meta-summary thing going for a lot of stories. |
| 14:43.22 | jacekowski | very unlikely |
| 14:43.28 | h4waii | Would he be telling you to do something that would fubar your device? |
| 14:43.34 | GAN900 | Jaffa, be nice to be able to link to both the real content (a wiki page, perhaps) and the commentary. |
| 14:43.40 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 14:43.45 | jacekowski | h4waii: i would |
| 14:43.56 | TiagoTiago | so i run killall bme or what? |
| 14:44.07 | jacekowski | h4waii: if somebody would be asking stupid questions or stuff i wouldn't have any problems with that |
| 14:44.11 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: stop bme |
| 14:44.13 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: that command |
| 14:44.14 | TiagoTiago | and how long after plugging it can i power it back? |
| 14:44.25 | jacekowski | when it goes out of emergency charge mode |
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| 14:44.30 | jacekowski | which should be 32 minutes |
| 14:44.49 | vatsap | hello everybody... i wud like to install qt 4.7 experimental packages on my N900.. does "apt-get install libqt4-experimental-*" work on my mobile?? do i need to uninstall libqt4-maemo5-core first? |
| 14:44.51 | TiagoTiago | so when it is pulsing orange? |
| 14:45.02 | TiagoTiago | i dunno vat |
| 14:45.06 | jacekowski | in emergency charge mode it's steady orange |
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| 14:45.18 | jacekowski | when it disappears emergency charge is finished |
| 14:45.30 | TiagoTiago | so when it stops being steady it's safe to turn on again? |
| 14:45.37 | h4waii | wtf |
| 14:45.41 | h4waii | Are you trolling dude? |
| 14:45.44 | TiagoTiago | me? |
| 14:45.58 | h4waii | Do you have a comprehension problem? Serious question. |
| 14:46.25 | TiagoTiago | I just wanna be sure so i won't fuck things up |
| 14:46.32 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: i think he mean vatsap |
| 14:46.41 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 14:46.41 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: you can't fuck it up as such |
| 14:46.48 | TiagoTiago | aight |
| 14:46.51 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: but |
| 14:47.02 | TiagoTiago_ | i won't sue you |
| 14:47.07 | jacekowski | TiagoTiago: if you charge it to level when it's barely enough to boot |
| 14:47.16 | jacekowski | but not enough to start system |
| 14:47.21 | jacekowski | you may end up in reboot loop |
| 14:47.30 | TiagoTiago_ | so leave it pulsing orange for a bit? |
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| 14:47.51 | jacekowski | when it will discharge to level when you have to start from emergency charge again |
| 14:48.02 | jacekowski | ideally when steady orange disappears |
| 14:48.10 | jacekowski | disconnect it and then connect back again |
| 14:48.18 | TiagoTiago | ok |
| 14:48.27 | jacekowski | if it's still steady orange leave it |
| 14:48.42 | jacekowski | but 32 minutes should be enough to charge it |
| 14:48.43 | TiagoTiago | i see |
| 14:48.52 | jacekowski | if you connect it as soon as it dies |
| 14:49.02 | RST38h | it is yellow, not orange, isn't it? |
| 14:49.13 | h4waii | Oh god. |
| 14:49.32 | TiagoTiago | anything you recomend i do to make the battery go down the fastest that would be safe? |
| 14:49.35 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 14:49.42 | h4waii | Turn on everything. |
| 14:50.11 | TiagoTiago | i was supposed to be yellow, some call amber, looks kinda orange to me |
| 14:50.18 | h4waii | Screen brightness up, always on. GPS, WiFi, BT, FMTX all turned on and transmitting/receiving. |
| 14:50.38 | h4waii | and play a video while you're at it. |
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| 14:51.03 | h4waii | You'll cook it in 1 hour and can start recharging it. |
| 14:51.33 | crashanddie | h4waii, you're trolling. Quit it. |
| 14:51.40 | TiagoTiago_ | i don't think i can use the FM tunner with the transmitter at the same time |
| 14:52.02 | h4waii | crashanddie, hardly. |
| 14:52.12 | SpeedEvil | cellphone is far more significant |
| 14:52.17 | crashanddie | well, you are going to quit, whether you agree or not. |
| 14:52.26 | h4waii | I'm not the one asking the same question, over and over. |
| 14:52.30 | SpeedEvil | transfer data over 3G, turn the brightness up to max, and you're about 70% of max load |
| 14:52.49 | h4waii | I've done absolutely nothing to warrant a banhammer. |
| 14:53.10 | TiagoTiago_ | that will cost me lots of money, way to much to compensate the reduced wait |
| 14:53.34 | h4waii | Call your voicemail. Should be free. |
| 14:53.41 | TiagoTiago_ | s/compensate/be worth/ |
| 14:54.06 | TiagoTiago_ | wait, i think the first time might have been right, i'm confused now... |
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| 14:56.14 | TiagoTiago_ | does the FM transmitter consume more or less energy than the builin speakers at full volume? |
| 14:56.33 | h4waii | FMTX, logically. |
| 14:56.34 | SpeedEvil | less |
| 14:56.38 | pronto | it uses cookies |
| 14:56.43 | h4waii | How so, SpeedEvil ? |
| 14:56.57 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: because it does. |
| 14:57.24 | TiagoTiago_ | so i should be blasting it out of the speakers instead of the FMTX in order to drain the battery faster? |
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| 14:58.11 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 14:58.19 | SpeedEvil | though speakers aren't really very draining. |
| 14:58.30 | TiagoTiago_ | more than the FMTX at least |
| 14:58.31 | SpeedEvil | watch something streaming over 3G with flash |
| 15:00.08 | TiagoTiago_ | would trying to launch too much stuff and make the system lag drain battery any significantly faster than leaving the device usable? |
| 15:00.31 | h4waii | What do you think? |
| 15:00.35 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 15:00.43 | SpeedEvil | Watch something over 3G with flash. |
| 15:00.45 | h4waii | Tying up the processor will save energy? |
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| 15:00.47 | TiagoTiago_ | i dunno if the processor eats lots of battery when kept at maximum clock |
| 15:00.48 | SpeedEvil | With screen brightest. |
| 15:01.05 | TiagoTiago_ | no 3G, too expensive |
| 15:01.10 | SpeedEvil | That will eat lots. Discharge in an hour and a half or so. |
| 15:01.10 | h4waii | You can't use common sense to see it will require more energy at a high clock? |
| 15:01.23 | SpeedEvil | wifi then - 2.5h or so |
| 15:01.31 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: No, you can't. |
| 15:01.43 | h4waii | SpeedEvil, what? |
| 15:01.57 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: common sense does not give sensible answers to electronic questions if you don't understand the fundamentals. |
| 15:02.13 | SpeedEvil | Often locking the CPU to a lower frequency will cause more power to be used. |
| 15:02.24 | TiagoTiago_ | no, i mean, will it use significantly more energy at full clock flipping so many bits it starts to lag, or i can just keep playing games and it will drain the battery in about the same time |
| 15:02.26 | h4waii | To the specific question he posed, common sense can be used. |
| 15:02.58 | h4waii | If I am driving at WOT as opposed to half, will it use more gas? |
| 15:03.32 | h4waii | I realize the principle of electricity is different, yes. |
| 15:03.34 | TiagoTiago_ | i know flipping more bits uses more battery, i wanna know if it will make any noticeable difference having it lag or just keep streaming music, GPS indoors, WIFI no power saving and playing games |
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| 15:04.02 | h4waii | But the primary logic is the same, SpeedEvil. |
| 15:05.18 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: Druving WOT is most efficient for an internal combustion engine. |
| 15:05.24 | daleglass | SpeedEvil: that is because CPUs have sleep states. Doing X units of work at low clock speed may cost more power due to taking more time, and having less time to sleep. But if the work never ends, high clock speed will use power faster |
| 15:05.49 | h4waii | SpeedEvil, efficiency is not what we're discussing. We're talking about fuel consumption. |
| 15:06.31 | h4waii | SpeedEvil, and there are other components that work with the internal combustion engine that do NOT take kindly to the effects of WOT. |
| 15:06.35 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: See the hypermiling sites for ways to use that in practice to greatly exceed the continuous mileage of a car at pulse. |
| 15:06.54 | SpeedEvil | (where in practice WOT is not used) |
| 15:06.54 | daleglass | anyway, if you want to waste cpu power, easy: run in the terminal: cat /dev/zero > /dev/null |
| 15:07.20 | h4waii | SpeedEvil, there is a trade-off location where WOT will win, yes. But the problem is reaching it. |
| 15:07.32 | jacekowski | cat /dev/urandom > /dev/null |
| 15:08.08 | TiagoTiago_ | if it won't make battery go off much earlier than if i just keep listening to music and playing games what would be the point of making the device just lag and heat up without being used? |
| 15:09.04 | jacekowski | it is being used |
| 15:09.14 | jacekowski | when it produces heat it's using energy from battery for it |
| 15:09.26 | TiagoTiago_ | it's being used a a heater and night light, not as a computing device |
| 15:09.52 | jacekowski | it doesn't have small ZPM inside |
| 15:10.02 | jacekowski | which would be nice if it would have |
| 15:10.07 | TiagoTiago_ | indeed |
| 15:10.12 | SpeedEvil | http://www.cleanmpg.com/forums/articles/t-pulse-and-glide-plus-warp-stealth-in-the-prius-ii-for-maximum-fe--1224.html |
| 15:10.21 | h4waii | TiagoTiago_; out of curiosity, what is your age? |
| 15:10.27 | TiagoTiago_ | 25 |
| 15:10.41 | h4waii | SpeedEvil, I can clearly see the article is biased just from the title stored in the URL. |
| 15:11.35 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: That does not in principle make it incorrect. |
| 15:11.52 | TiagoTiago_ | i could be playing or doing other shit on my desktop, but i've developed a sweet tooth for Dstroy latelly...... |
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| 15:12.32 | SpeedEvil | The basic idea is really very simple. The efficiency of the engine is much larger at significant fractions of the maximum power output than ticking over at 10% or so. |
| 15:13.35 | crashanddie | i'm off all, have a good one |
| 15:13.38 | TiagoTiago_ | having your car be powered by pulse blasts sounds quite geeky |
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| 15:14.37 | Venemo | re |
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| 15:16.25 | ghostcube | hi folks, is it only me or got anyone probs with urpo? |
| 15:18.47 | Myrtti | urpo, thihihihi |
| 15:20.07 | ghostcube | :) |
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| 15:24.04 | ghostcube | FIQ|n900: are you running xchat clienT? |
| 15:24.17 | ghostcube | if so set nickserv pw as server pw you authing to late |
| 15:24.22 | ghostcube | :) |
| 15:25.05 | TiagoTiago_ | how hard it is to hack the Prius II onboard computer to facilitate those tricks? |
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| 15:28.27 | RST38h | moo wazd |
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| 15:30.40 | RST38h | "The European union has banned by law trading of incandescent light bulbs due to their bad efficiency/ecology reasons (most of the energy is transformed into heat). A company is now trying to bypass this by offering their incandescent light bulb products as a heating device." |
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| 15:30.59 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 15:31.47 | n1x0n | I'm not surprised... good , if I want to pay more for my electricity then this is my problem not UE's |
| 15:32.40 | TiagoTiago_ | thought it's everyone's problem if you use too much electricity i guess |
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| 15:33.07 | n1x0n | yeah let's ban all too fast graphics cards as well :) |
| 15:33.14 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 15:34.11 | TiagoTiago_ | there is a technology that resuses the waste heat of CPUs and GPUs to produce electricity though... |
| 15:35.44 | Corsac | in some datacenter heat is used to warm swimming pool water :) |
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| 15:35.52 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
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| 15:37.29 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: no, there isn't. |
| 15:37.49 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: you can in principle get maybe 10% of the power into a GPU and going out as thermal back into electrical. |
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| 15:37.52 | SpeedEvil | Carnot. |
| 15:37.52 | daleglass | reminds me, stirling engine cpu fan: http://regmedia.co.uk/2008/02/29/msi_eco_2.jpg |
| 15:38.20 | TiagoTiago_ | if nothing else, you could put a stirling generator with the hot side facing the heat dissipator of the computer and the cold side facing the outside |
| 15:39.14 | wazd | RST38h: heya :) |
| 15:39.22 | wazd | RST38h: how's it going? |
| 15:39.35 | TiagoTiago_ | but i'm pretty sure i read they got some motherboards, or perhaps some video cards or some other computer related hardware that is making the waste heat not be completly wasted |
| 15:40.14 | TiagoTiago_ | lol, when i want the battery to drain fast, it is slow Xp |
| 15:40.15 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: if you do that, you add temperature. |
| 15:40.38 | SpeedEvil | TiagoTiago: if you add an extra 30C, you can extract about 10% of the energy. |
| 15:40.46 | SpeedEvil | (In principle) |
| 15:40.59 | SpeedEvil | But you also make the device run hotter, and add lots of complexity |
| 15:41.29 | lcuk | depending on host country having a computer pump out excess heat may be a benefit |
| 15:41.34 | TiagoTiago_ | As long as you get the heat away from the delicate components fast enough i imagine there shouldn't be any issues |
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| 15:43.07 | TiagoTiago_ | Do you know of a homescreen widget that is a speedometer of battery consumption? |
| 15:44.03 | SpeedEvil | I haven't gotten it done yet. |
| 15:44.14 | TiagoTiago_ | lemme know when you do please? |
| 15:44.15 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 15:44.17 | SpeedEvil | see that script |
| 15:45.03 | lcuk | TiagoTiago_, some of the live wallpapers are high consumers |
| 15:45.36 | TiagoTiago_ | do you know which one is the biggest? |
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| 15:46.31 | lcuk | no TiagoTiago_ are your hands cold or something? |
| 15:46.43 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 15:47.15 | TiagoTiago_ | someone here i am not sure the name suggested i turn off bme adn draint he battery to get a good calibration of battery capacity, i wanna drain my battery fast |
| 15:47.47 | Stskeeps | passes lcuk a plate with bacon |
| 15:47.52 | kerio | BACON!!!!! |
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| 15:47.57 | lcuk | ta dude :) |
| 15:49.31 | TiagoTiago_ | if i keep one of the side arrow keys held down in the home screens they start spinning so fast they go black |
| 15:50.34 | SpeedEvil | Go to youtube. Play something on loop. |
| 15:50.44 | SpeedEvil | drained in a couple of hours |
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| 15:51.34 | TiagoTiago_ | hey lcuk did you knew that things get messy if you have liwflow running and set liwflow as livewallpaper? |
| 15:51.50 | TiagoTiago_ | liqflow* |
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| 15:52.15 | tripzero | what's the battery daemon in maemo? bce? |
| 15:53.03 | Stskeeps | bme |
| 15:53.46 | lcuk | TiagoTiago_, yes, theres a clear button in the bottom, once i get head into things the options dialog will arrive as well as all the other stuff it has |
| 15:54.18 | TiagoTiago_ | i mean, if you have liqflow standalone running and then you also set liqflow as livewallpaper |
| 15:54.52 | lcuk | ahh well, bug in x11 stuff of mine |
| 15:54.57 | lcuk | im goin tho |
| 15:55.02 | TiagoTiago_ | aight, cya |
| 15:55.54 | TiagoTiago_ | it's like both of them are fighting to use the screena at the same time |
| 15:57.13 | TiagoTiago_ | i wonder how much heat is dissipated by the air moved by the speakers versus how much heat the speakers themselves genereate |
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| 16:00.27 | sivang | hihi |
| 16:00.52 | TiagoTiago_ | does the battery charge indicator freezes when you stop bme? |
| 16:00.55 | sivang | is there a reason why I can't find MADDE under "Development" section after enabling all extras- ? |
| 16:01.14 | TiagoTiago_ | do you already have it installed? |
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| 16:03.42 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, now i got a ghost liqflow running, it only shows in certain pixels of some programs.... |
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| 16:03.59 | TiagoTiago_ | there |
| 16:04.25 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: I might, let me check. |
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| 16:05.53 | TiagoTiago_ | I it would be a totall waste of processing power (not to mention battery charge), but is there any way i can get somthing liek Winamp's Milkdrop audio "visualizations" on my N900? |
| 16:07.11 | biodi | hello, anyone interested in participating in an open source study? |
| 16:08.48 | TiagoTiago_ | what would be involved? |
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| 16:09.32 | sivang | hey lbt |
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| 16:10.05 | lbt | sivang: hi |
| 16:10.11 | TiagoTiago_ | is it helthy to run lots of stuff to the point of the N900 is hot and keep running till the battery dies? |
| 16:10.27 | biodi | TiagoTiago_: if you asked me, it would be just me :) |
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| 16:10.44 | TiagoTiago_ | huh? |
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| 16:13.35 | Khertan_n900 | Hi ! |
| 16:13.41 | daleglass | biodi: sure, but I'll be leaving in ~15 min. Please send any questions/links in a private message, and I'll get back to it in a few hours |
| 16:14.30 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: I did it several times, the machine is intact afterwards but mine's relatively new and I don't do heavey use of it per se. |
| 16:14.41 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: I like to multitask on it, so... |
| 16:14.49 | TiagoTiago_ | i see |
| 16:18.25 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: and it does get terribly hot. |
| 16:19.14 | TiagoTiago_ | yay! the batter is over! |
| 16:19.19 | TiagoTiago_ | battery* |
| 16:19.51 | TiagoTiago_ | time for steady orange |
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| 16:24.39 | ShadowJK | RST38h, well they make sense in .fi. It's light during summer and people don't use lights. In the winter it's cold and the lights are close to 100% efficient if you think of them as combined heat and lighting devices :) |
| 16:25.20 | TiagoTiago_ | SEtup a generator to take advantage of the temperature difference between indoors and outdoors |
| 16:25.27 | TiagoTiago_ | and sell electricity |
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| 16:30.21 | TiagoTiago_ | if the yellow light looks orange, is the green or the red too weak? |
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| 16:31.03 | slonopotamus | too strong red? :) |
| 16:31.15 | sivang | ShadowJK: interesting point |
| 16:31.15 | TiagoTiago_ | or that |
| 16:32.29 | slonopotamus | TiagoTiago_: assuming you're talking about RGB |
| 16:32.36 | TiagoTiago_ | indeed |
| 16:32.46 | sivang | right, so MADDE is installed |
| 16:32.58 | sivang | so it is only in the installed apps section |
| 16:33.15 | slonopotamus | or! you're doing wrong 24-bit -> 16 bit rgb conversion :) |
| 16:33.38 | TiagoTiago_ | when you install somthing it only shows in the installed section (and when there is an update, in the update section) |
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| 16:38.39 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: yes, would make more sense to just show it in the apps for installation list but have a small icon next to it or some mark that's it is already installed |
| 16:38.48 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: like the UI version of dpkg -l |
| 16:38.50 | sivang | ;) |
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| 16:41.13 | TiagoTiago_ | Like on Synaptic? |
| 16:41.22 | TiagoTiago_ | or however that is spelled |
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| 16:46.17 | evilbulg1rian | hi, my n900 seems to get very sluggish after 3 days of uptime. can someone help me track what is cauzing this? |
| 16:46.33 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, i'll see if i can figure out how to rip that "Brace for impact! Heads down! Stay down! Heads down! Stay down!" recording from that Delta airlines crashlanding to use as ringtone |
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| 16:52.21 | sivang | no matter what I do, no packets pass onto the USB networking. |
| 16:52.25 | sivang | args |
| 16:52.27 | sivang | arghs |
| 16:52.33 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago_: not difficult - use audacity |
| 16:52.51 | TiagoTiago_ | i gotta find a good source online |
| 16:53.33 | sivang | i thought mad-developer would help |
| 16:53.47 | sivang | it does get the module up, and configured but other than that- nothing works |
| 16:54.02 | TiagoTiago_ | did you try the orientation on the wiki? |
| 16:54.21 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: yes, a couple of times already- there are a couple, which one were you referring to? |
| 16:54.57 | TiagoTiago_ | there is more than one? I dunno then, i remember seeing one when i was trying to find a way to use another cellphone as a modem for the N900 |
| 16:55.04 | sivang | there used to be a very simple document someone from FN showed me on a Qt Dev Days, but I can't find it. |
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| 16:55.16 | Noobmonk3y | frals lol @your tweet!! |
| 16:55.25 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: ? |
| 16:55.33 | Noobmonk3y | supposedly! |
| 16:55.35 | frals | Noobmonk3y: its teh truth :( |
| 16:55.39 | Noobmonk3y | evening alls! |
| 16:55.42 | sivang | hey frals |
| 16:55.45 | sivang | evening Noobmonk3y |
| 16:55.54 | Noobmonk3y | i are a sweaty betty today!! |
| 16:55.55 | frals | o/ |
| 16:55.59 | frals | bastard |
| 16:56.00 | frals | :D |
| 16:56.11 | TiagoTiago_ | what did it say? |
| 16:56.11 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha |
| 16:56.29 | Noobmonk3y | off to turkey for a day next week i think |
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| 16:56.55 | johnsq | Hi |
| 16:57.08 | Noobmonk3y | hey |
| 16:57.38 | MohammadAG51 | hi Noobmonk3y |
| 16:57.56 | MohammadAG51 | curses school tests, waves bye |
| 16:58.01 | Noobmonk3y | frals, come all the way to greece, within 10 mins the family friend said.... can you fix my pc's please!!! damn greeklish keyboards! |
| 16:58.04 | Noobmonk3y | hey mo!!! |
| 16:58.31 | frals | Noobmonk3y: lol |
| 16:58.38 | TiagoTiago_ | I wanna find the video CNN used on TV, it got the audio perfect, all the way back from "Brace for impact" |
| 16:58.48 | Noobmonk3y | and havent slept for 2days! |
| 16:59.29 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: tell them we don't fix PCs :) |
| 16:59.55 | Noobmonk3y | lol! :P |
| 16:59.56 | TiagoTiago_ | better, tell them you don't fix PCs that don't speak english |
| 17:00.03 | frals | Noobmonk3y: atleast i bet you dont have +8C and cloudy? :P |
| 17:00.38 | Noobmonk3y | ahhhhh 30 and no cloud! :) but was -2 when i left for the airport yesterday at 2am |
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| 17:00.42 | sivang | it is more +37c in the desert here. |
| 17:00.54 | Noobmonk3y | lol tiago! |
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| 17:01.05 | sivang | clouds are nice, they protect you from the damaging sun's radiation |
| 17:01.12 | Noobmonk3y | sivang, im from the uk, anything above 15 is damn hot! |
| 17:01.23 | Myrtti | damn right |
| 17:01.28 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: I'm not from the UK, and it is the same for me :) |
| 17:01.39 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: at the wrong spot of the globe ;) |
| 17:01.43 | sivang | Myrtti: *born |
| 17:01.46 | sivang | err, Noobmonk3y ^ |
| 17:02.06 | sivang | I think +10c is enough for summer. |
| 17:02.08 | Noobmonk3y | lol |
| 17:02.18 | Noobmonk3y | lol sivang |
| 17:02.25 | Noobmonk3y | take it you get no snow! |
| 17:02.27 | Noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 17:02.32 | sivang | NO! :-/ |
| 17:02.53 | sivang | and I don't think Santa really visits us, it'll be bad for his blood pressure |
| 17:02.55 | vkvraju | Hi all |
| 17:02.59 | SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: you have to wait to 16 before you can say that. |
| 17:03.04 | SpeedEvil | Noobmonk3y: Oh - temperature. |
| 17:03.29 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: we're lucky to have rain :-p |
| 17:03.50 | Noobmonk3y | :) that is one thing i dont want in 10 days!!! hehehe |
| 17:03.51 | SpeedEvil | looks at the solid grey sky. |
| 17:03.54 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: Whereabouts in the UK are you? |
| 17:04.00 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: hehe |
| 17:04.25 | SpeedEvil | 11C +-1C for the next 2 days, with no sun at all forecast. |
| 17:04.28 | TiagoTiago_ | He flies faster than light at high altitudes and dives on chimneys, i don't think he's worried about his blood pressure |
| 17:04.32 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: yes, british people keep complaining about the weather, but I tell you it is much nicer to sit in a coffee house when it's 10c a bit cloudy then it is 37c and a desert |
| 17:04.34 | Noobmonk3y | near brighton, but in lesvos at the mo! |
| 17:05.13 | Noobmonk3y | sivang, i agree, but its the same affect reversed, i only want it hot for summer, hehehe |
| 17:05.16 | SpeedEvil | And jumpers are a lot easier than ice-packs. |
| 17:05.39 | Noobmonk3y | speed, cold beer is much better than hot chocolate |
| 17:05.42 | vkvraju | can anyone help me in converting videos for the N900? |
| 17:06.07 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: I absolutely loved the weather in Edinburgh |
| 17:06.14 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: I prefer Coffee so.. :) |
| 17:06.23 | vkvraju | if I only want to watch these videos on the N900, what are the best and the optimal settings to be used? |
| 17:06.37 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: although Little Britian spare it not when talking about recommended vacation destenations. |
| 17:06.40 | Noobmonk3y | hehehe |
| 17:06.47 | Noobmonk3y | :) :) |
| 17:06.54 | TiagoTiago_ | at most 480 of height, at most 800 of width, i dunno about the rest |
| 17:06.58 | sivang | Noobmonk3y: they have this piece about the scottish hotel owner :) |
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| 17:08.11 | vkvraju | Tiago, thanks. Any graphical click-and-convert tool that you recommend |
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| 17:10.11 | sivang | -> out , be back later. |
| 17:10.18 | Noobmonk3y | ciao! |
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| 17:11.36 | TiagoTiago_ | I haven't tried converting any videos yet, a few programs i've used in the past are Super (damn link maze int he site to figure out how to download), MediaCoder, and VirtualDub ,, VLC is supposed to be able to do things like that too, but i haven't had sucess figuring out what to do in the past, i didn't tried too hard though |
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| 17:11.51 | Noobmonk3y | right back to my holiday! ciao alls!!! |
| 17:11.52 | TiagoTiago_ | I mean, i haven't tried converting any videos to use with the N900 yet |
| 17:12.00 | Khertan_n900 | Hi again |
| 17:12.26 | Khertan_n900 | someone have try qtmobility and the location api ? |
| 17:13.01 | Khertan_n900 | i always got a isValid()==False even after gps got fix |
| 17:13.38 | SpeedEvil | you have checked you've got fix using location-test-gui |
| 17:14.05 | MohammadAG51 | an icon in the status menu should be enough for the api to return True |
| 17:14.33 | MohammadAG51 | mprayertime is in Qt, and uses the location api, but it's C++ |
| 17:15.04 | Khertan_n900 | the gps icon stop to blink and stay on so should be enought, isn't it ? |
| 17:15.11 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
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| 17:15.35 | MohammadAG51 | though I have no idea about QtMobility, sorry :) |
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| 17:16.44 | TiagoTiago_ | where is that guy about videos? |
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| 17:16.57 | digitalsurgeon | is there any channel for the nokia qt sdk ? |
| 17:17.18 | vkvraju | hi again |
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| 17:17.46 | tripzero | digitalsurgeon, #qt ? |
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| 17:18.02 | TiagoTiago_ | vkvraju: i have no idea about what codecs or other details about the format might be make videos be compatible and play smoothly |
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| 17:19.07 | vkvraju | Tiago, Thats ok. Probably I need to spend some more time on this to find a satisfying result/way |
| 17:20.07 | TiagoTiago_ | TRansfer that video that comes with the N900 to your desktop and check what are the parameters on it |
| 17:20.30 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Video_encoding |
| 17:21.24 | TiagoTiago_ | ~video enconding |
| 17:21.25 | vkvraju | Friends, I am quite sure this topic would have already been beaten to death here. But now that Qt 4.7 is out, how realistic is PR 1.3 for our N900. |
| 17:21.32 | superchode | so where exactly does one find the source code for an N900 app? |
| 17:21.39 | vkvraju | Tiago, I think thats a good way to start |
| 17:21.44 | TiagoTiago_ | depends on the app |
| 17:21.53 | superchode | nsschedule is what i'm looking for |
| 17:22.24 | TiagoTiago_ | why infobot didn't say anything? isn't she supposed to make a funny comment about not knowing what i was talking about if she didn't? |
| 17:22.46 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : December 2011 |
| 17:22.57 | vkvraju | superchode : you can go to repos. Go here http://maemo.org/packages/ and search for the app you are looking for. You might get a link to the code for this app |
| 17:23.10 | vkvraju | Khertan : lol :) |
| 17:23.52 | superchode | yeah, that worked. thanks |
| 17:24.20 | TiagoTiago_ | are you sure it isn't 2012-12-21 ? |
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| 17:24.47 | vkvraju | by Dec 2011, I would be expecting 3rd software release for the mystery N9 |
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| 17:26.11 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : hum n900 got two update in one year ... n9 should be out in december so only expect 2nd release :) |
| 17:26.17 | TiagoTiago_ | Why the N900 doesn't support all the H.264 profiles? |
| 17:26.44 | Khertan_n900 | because |
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| 17:26.54 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:27.14 | vkvraju | Khertan : It doesn't matter how many updates we got. All it matters is how usable and friendly the device is. Anyways, lets please not debate on the usable part |
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| 17:28.13 | vkvraju | Btw Friends, is the End-of-the-Day thing right on schedule ? Or will it be delayed ? If so, I would get into trouble |
| 17:28.46 | TiagoTiago_ | btw, what happens with the extra 54 pixels from videos recorded at full resolution when played in the N900 itself? |
| 17:29.03 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : to be honest, when i see how usable the n900 is think the Meego device will be good too ! |
| 17:29.28 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: ( incandescent light bulb products as a heating device) and that's exactly what I plan to use them for :-D |
| 17:29.41 | Khertan_n900 | there are displayed out side of the screen |
| 17:29.42 | Khertan_n900 | s/there/they |
| 17:30.03 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:30.20 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: damn it's be insane to have an electric radiator, if yiou can get light for free from same amount of electric energy |
| 17:30.41 | vkvraju | I had scratches there, so couldn't see those extra pixels. |
| 17:30.50 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:31.27 | vkvraju | I would give MeeGo a chance till their 1.2 release before I start using it |
| 17:31.48 | vkvraju | even 1.2 might be too optimistic |
| 17:32.05 | vkvraju | 1.3 should be correct |
| 17:32.19 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : 1.2 should be the first usable release for handset if i understand the roadmap |
| 17:32.31 | Khertan_n900 | 1.0 was core release (only a terminal) |
| 17:32.38 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:32.59 | vkvraju | Khertan : Nokia reads it as usable, true. But we should read it an Deployable. |
| 17:32.59 | Khertan_n900 | 1.1 will be release soon |
| 17:33.11 | vkvraju | 1.2 would be device ready |
| 17:33.15 | vkvraju | 1.3 should be user ready |
| 17:33.22 | MohammadAG51 | lies |
| 17:33.30 | Khertan_n900 | so do not expect too much |
| 17:33.43 | TiagoTiago_ | it really annoys me when people rellease 1.* versions that aren't yet really out of beta stage |
| 17:33.51 | vkvraju | exactly, I have lowered my expectations |
| 17:34.37 | Khertan_n900 | Tiago 1.0 isn't out of beta stage for netbook |
| 17:34.38 | Khertan_n900 | s/isn't/is |
| 17:34.45 | vkvraju | on a side note, how do I reply to particular user here. I am using webchat.freenode.net. For some odd reasons, pidgin doesn't allow me to log in |
| 17:35.25 | TiagoTiago_ | if it is still betta it isn't worthy of comming out of zero-point-somthing IMO |
| 17:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan_n900: "usable" doesn't mean you'll enjoy to use it |
| 17:35.34 | Khertan_n900 | :) like me ... enter his name + ':' |
| 17:35.39 | Khertan_n900 | or remap a shortcut for tab |
| 17:35.39 | Khertan_n900 | i m using webchat too |
| 17:36.05 | vkvraju | Khertan_n900: testing |
| 17:36.13 | vkvraju | oops, that didn't go well |
| 17:36.40 | vkvraju | btw, I am very new to this IRC stuff too |
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| 17:37.18 | TiagoTiago_ | ok, pulsing orange again, gonna wait a few more minutes just to be sure and it's boot time |
| 17:37.28 | Khertan_n900 | DocScrutinizer: depends on your usage |
| 17:37.34 | Khertan_n900 | DocScrutinizer : phone call, + 3g internet, and pyqt4 binding will made me a happy user of Meego |
| 17:37.42 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago_: pulsing orange still might mean it's NOLO chaging |
| 17:37.58 | TiagoTiago_ | i pulled out and plugged back and it didn't go back to steady |
| 17:37.59 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago_: give it at least! plus 30min |
| 17:38.02 | vkvraju | Khertan : Even I too expect the same thing from MeeGo 1.1 |
| 17:38.17 | TiagoTiago_ | 30minutes, aight |
| 17:39.12 | Khertan_n900 | hate fucking website that redirect to wap page !!!! GRRRR |
| 17:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan_n900: what's with your webchat? :-P |
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| 17:39.53 | DocScrutinizer | are you going to code that via pyqt4 bindings then? |
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| 17:40.25 | TiagoTiago_ | talking about that, why does the OVI store redirects to .mobi ? |
| 17:41.00 | MohammadAG51 | oh nice |
| 17:41.17 | MohammadAG51 | /dev/mtd1 stores the lock code as DES |
| 17:41.26 | MohammadAG51 | that's kinda retarded |
| 17:41.37 | DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG51: :-D |
| 17:41.49 | Khertan_n900 | DocScrutinizer: webchat ? http://webchat.freenode.net ... can t use real irc .... block by the isp |
| 17:41.57 | DocScrutinizer | not the default though - it's 12345 PLAIN TEXT X-P |
| 17:41.59 | Mousey | mebbit? |
| 17:42.07 | mgedmin | ssh port forwarding is a useful tool |
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| 17:42.28 | TiagoTiago_ | It's kinda a downer, you buy an expensive device supposed to have desktop web browsing capabilities and the very company that makes it redirects their site to a mobile version when you try to acess it with the device |
| 17:42.42 | DocScrutinizer | Khertan_n900: I was interested how you'll going to use that with phone call, + 3g internet, and pyqt4 binding |
| 17:43.12 | MohammadAG51 | hmm |
| 17:43.24 | MohammadAG51 | /dev/mtd2 holds logs, possibly NOLO logs? |
| 17:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | kernel panic and OOPS logs |
| 17:43.46 | TiagoTiago_ | MohammadAG51: lots of people are very thankfull for that retardation, there is a whole thread on TMO about recovering forgoten lock codes |
| 17:44.17 | MohammadAG51 | TiagoTiago_, I'm sure stolen phone shops agree |
| 17:44.19 | DocScrutinizer | yeah and john takes ~0.8s to decode :-P |
| 17:44.19 | ShadowJK | MohammadAG51, kernel oops i think |
| 17:44.30 | Khertan_n900 | http://pagesjaunes.fr redirect now to a wap page |
| 17:44.42 | MohammadAG51 | 130903.349609] Kernel panic - not syncing: Fatal exception in interrupt |
| 17:44.45 | vkvraju | btw, is there a way to see a kernel panic on my n900 ? Can I try it ? Also, when that happens, how do I collect logs ? |
| 17:44.45 | Khertan_n900 | was working well before |
| 17:44.45 | MohammadAG51 | seems so |
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| 17:45.04 | MohammadAG51 | vkvraju, framebuffer kernel |
| 17:45.20 | MohammadAG51 | causes a maximum of 3 reboots at boot up, but works |
| 17:45.22 | MohammadAG51 | sorta |
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| 17:45.32 | vkvraju | so, how do I try it |
| 17:45.38 | vkvraju | reboot 3 times continously ? |
| 17:45.51 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: echo heartbeat > /sys/*/*/led:r*/trigger |
| 17:45.59 | TiagoTiago_ | This convo already happened in the forum, the view there was that the lock code isn't for preventing use by thiefs, but keeping nosy friends out of your deviec while you're going #1 or whatever |
| 17:46.04 | DocScrutinizer | with closed kbd and locked screen |
| 17:47.00 | MohammadAG51 | collection of framebugger kernels, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/ |
| 17:47.05 | vkvraju | Doc: but then, how would I collect logs and how do I get out of the situation |
| 17:47.06 | MohammadAG51 | typo intended |
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| 17:47.16 | vkvraju | I hope it would not cause too much harm to my N900, right? |
| 17:47.24 | MohammadAG51 | no, it won't |
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| 17:47.49 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: or simply "cat /dev/kmem" |
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| 17:47.58 | TiagoTiago_ | why powerkernel doesn't come with such an option? |
| 17:48.03 | TiagoTiago_ | or does it? |
| 17:48.12 | MohammadAG51 | what option? |
| 17:48.13 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: logs are in /dev/mtd2, you get out of the situation by automatic reboot |
| 17:48.15 | vkvraju | So Moammad: Do I need to install them from that page? |
| 17:48.26 | MohammadAG51 | yes |
| 17:48.26 | TiagoTiago_ | the framebuffer thing |
| 17:48.41 | MohammadAG51 | it causes some reboots occasionally |
| 17:48.43 | MohammadAG51 | at boot up |
| 17:48.47 | TiagoTiago_ | ah |
| 17:48.50 | MohammadAG51 | nothing that affects use though |
| 17:48.59 | timeless_pidgin | waves from ... |
| 17:49.05 | timeless_pidgin | Killarney |
| 17:49.08 | TiagoTiago_ | hi timeless |
| 17:49.12 | MohammadAG51 | Bermuda triangle? |
| 17:49.19 | MohammadAG51 | damn, battery low |
| 17:49.24 | MohammadAG51 | kills bme |
| 17:49.37 | timeless_pidgin | "Ring of Kerry" |
| 17:49.41 | vkvraju | tried cat /dev/kmem after becoming root. Device just rebooted |
| 17:49.46 | vkvraju | is this waht kernel panic is |
| 17:49.47 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:49.59 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: yes |
| 17:50.18 | TiagoTiago_ | "kernel panic" sounds like things should burst into flames and scream like a little girl in a horror movie... |
| 17:50.21 | vkvraju | I was expecting to see something on the terminal that says Kernel Panic or something of that sort |
| 17:50.23 | MohammadAG51 | tries command typed above |
| 17:50.43 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: stock kernel has no console |
| 17:51.14 | DocScrutinizer | (at least none on device - there's a serial console though) |
| 17:51.51 | TiagoTiago_ | those contacts under the battery? |
| 17:51.55 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 17:52.16 | timeless_pidgin | Stock configuration doesn't use it |
| 17:52.24 | timeless_pidgin | It's terrible for battery life |
| 17:52.25 | TiagoTiago_ | someone should make a battery cover that slips some plugs under the batter and has extrenal plugs for those things |
| 17:52.25 | DocScrutinizer | duh! |
| 17:52.33 | vkvraju | trying to see through that logs under /dev/mtd2. Need to be root for that too |
| 17:52.39 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, that's why you got flasher flags |
| 17:52.40 | TiagoTiago_ | s/batter/battery/ |
| 17:52.56 | timeless_pidgin | TiagoTiago: fail |
| 17:53.02 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:53.45 | TiagoTiago_ | what was the correct syntax? |
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| 17:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | regex are really hard to get right, it seems |
| 17:53.55 | timeless_pidgin | Stronger match |
| 17:54.00 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:54.03 | timeless_pidgin | Regexp matches left to right |
| 17:54.04 | TiagoTiago_ | ah, i see |
| 17:54.16 | timeless_pidgin | So you needed to not match the first instance |
| 17:54.28 | TiagoTiago_ | i thought it looked for individual words first instead of just the first match |
| 17:54.44 | DocScrutinizer | which would've been easy, you just append a " " |
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| 17:54.54 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, good point |
| 17:55.05 | TiagoTiago_ | wouldn't have helped if it was the last word int he msg though |
| 17:55.24 | TiagoTiago_ | i guess that is where punctuation is missed |
| 17:55.31 | DocScrutinizer | but it helps on / he / |
| 17:55.48 | DocScrutinizer | instead of "helped" |
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| 17:56.03 | DocScrutinizer | s/ he / the / |
| 17:56.13 | vkvraju | hmm, looked at the mtd2 logs. Didn't understand even a single bit. God please give strength to all those who debug issues based on these logs |
| 17:56.29 | DocScrutinizer | he he he |
| 17:56.29 | timeless_pidgin | You can include words or letters preceding your match, you just have to include them in the replacement |
| 17:56.37 | DocScrutinizer | s/he$/xx/ |
| 17:56.42 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
| 17:56.49 | DocScrutinizer | ~useless |
| 17:56.49 | infobot | ACTION starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( |
| 17:57.20 | TiagoTiago_ | ii think someoone the other day said it's not a real regex thing, it just looks like it |
| 17:57.30 | SpeedEvil | On emulators - http://b3ta.com/board/10196281 |
| 17:57.30 | timeless_pidgin | Oh, and infobots have broken regexp parsing |
| 17:57.49 | timeless_pidgin | Don't expect wild cards or other symbols to work |
| 17:57.56 | vkvraju | whats this infobot thing U all discussing |
| 17:57.58 | timeless_pidgin | Yep |
| 17:58.08 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: you? |
| 17:58.09 | infobot | somebody said infobot was better than wowbot |
| 17:58.18 | DocScrutinizer | they basically have NO regex parsing, just a very elementary string match |
| 17:58.19 | timeless_pidgin | points |
| 17:58.20 | TiagoTiago_ | ~infobot |
| 17:58.21 | infobot | well, infobot is better than wowbot |
| 17:58.28 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:58.28 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: have a botsnack |
| 17:58.28 | infobot | timeless_pidgin: thanks |
| 17:58.35 | Mousey | !asl |
| 17:58.44 | vkvraju | is it a real user or just some spam bot stuff ? |
| 17:58.45 | timeless_pidgin | Mousey: die. |
| 17:58.47 | DocScrutinizer | ~status |
| 17:58.47 | infobot | Since Thu Sep 16 09:58:38 2010, there have been 67 modifications, 1161 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 519 commands. I have been awake for 11d 8h 9s this session, and currently reference 117289 factoids. I'm using about 38392 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 3637.57/92.97 child 0/0 |
| 17:58.49 | Mousey | oh! |
| 17:58.51 | Mousey | ~asl |
| 17:58.51 | infobot | Old enough, yes please, my place. |
| 17:58.53 | TiagoTiago_ | i think the one they use on the Firefox channel at moznet is smarter, or perhaps i'm thinking of another one |
| 17:59.05 | Mousey | huggles TiagoTiago_ |
| 17:59.06 | Mousey | oops |
| 17:59.09 | Mousey | huggles timeless |
| 17:59.11 | Mousey | wait |
| 17:59.11 | Mousey | nm |
| 17:59.13 | Mousey | no hugs |
| 17:59.14 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 17:59.24 | TiagoTiago_ | group hug!!!! |
| 17:59.32 | Mousey | ~grouphug |
| 17:59.32 | infobot | ACTION hugs everbody and makes it all better... |
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| 17:59.36 | Mousey | ^_^ |
| 17:59.38 | vkvraju | Btw guys, anyone from France here ? |
| 17:59.46 | TiagoTiago_ | :) |
| 17:59.49 | timeless_pidgin | word: Since Thu Sep 2 13:39:07 2010, there have been 1 modifications and 7 questions. I have been awake for 24 days, 21 hours, 20 minutes, 18 seconds this session, and currently reference 6301 factoids. Addressing is in require mode. |
| 17:59.50 | Khertan_n900 | i am |
| 18:00.43 | timeless_pidgin | The infobot here has a large database. I'm unsure about the quality of its database... |
| 18:00.51 | vkvraju | cool, I MIGHT have to travel to France for few days for an event |
| 18:01.24 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 18:01.28 | vkvraju | Sophia Antipolis Cedex |
| 18:01.30 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_pidgin: 50% are zip codes |
| 18:01.37 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : be carefull there are some strike currently |
| 18:01.45 | vkvraju | oh ok |
| 18:01.50 | timeless_pidgin | DocScrutinizer: ... |
| 18:01.56 | vkvraju | btw, it will take me another 10 days before I start |
| 18:02.04 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: airport code HEL? |
| 18:02.16 | vkvraju | and I would be there for only 5-6 days |
| 18:02.16 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: HEL? |
| 18:02.16 | infobot | methinks hel is (Hardware Emulation Layer) This provides software-based emulation of features that are not directly available in hardware. |
| 18:02.28 | timeless_pidgin | Grr |
| 18:02.35 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: .br? |
| 18:02.35 | infobot | .br is, like, Brazil |
| 18:02.48 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: area code 512? |
| 18:02.48 | infobot | well, area code 512 is Austin and Corpus Christi, Texas |
| 18:02.49 | ShadowJK | far out |
| 18:02.51 | vkvraju | Infobot: .in? |
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| 18:03.12 | TiagoTiago_ | Infobot: FU |
| 18:03.12 | infobot | FFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU- |
| 18:03.19 | timeless_pidgin | Area codes/zip codes/country codes |
| 18:03.21 | vkvraju | hehe |
| 18:03.22 | TiagoTiago_ | lol, not what i expected |
| 18:03.25 | DocScrutinizer | ~listkeys zip |
| 18:03.30 | timeless_pidgin | Sometimes vaguely useful |
| 18:03.38 | TiagoTiago_ | ~~ |
| 18:03.49 | TiagoTiago_ | Infobot: ~ |
| 18:03.56 | TiagoTiago_ | balls |
| 18:03.58 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: zip 90210 |
| 18:03.58 | infobot | from memory, zip 90210 is Beverly Hills Los Angeles CA |
| 18:04.12 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: listkeys hel |
| 18:04.18 | vkvraju | So, Khertan, is Sophia Antipolis Cedex entirely the name of the city |
| 18:04.45 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: listkeys airport |
| 18:05.07 | timeless_pidgin | kicks pidgin |
| 18:05.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~airport hel |
| 18:05.19 | infobot | rumour has it, airport hel is The code for the airport in: Helsinki, Finland |
| 18:05.35 | timeless_pidgin | Right... |
| 18:05.52 | TiagoTiago_ | ~Lady Gaga |
| 18:06.09 | vkvraju | Backstreet Boys |
| 18:06.10 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell TiagoTiago_ about query |
| 18:06.17 | Khertan_n900 | vkvraju : i think but it s in the south of france so didn't know |
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| 18:06.40 | Khertan_n900 | if it s not the name of the city it s the name of the area |
| 18:06.44 | vkvraju | oh ok, i am awaiting visa |
| 18:06.45 | Khertan_n900 | a bit like silicon valley |
| 18:06.48 | Khertan_n900 | :) |
| 18:06.49 | vkvraju | ohk |
| 18:07.35 | vkvraju | I think once I have my plans confirmed, I would ask more about it |
| 18:07.41 | vkvraju | :) |
| 18:07.43 | timeless_pidgin | kick pidgin again |
| 18:07.53 | vkvraju | Btw, Infobot didn't answer my previous query |
| 18:08.02 | vkvraju | Infobot: .in? |
| 18:08.13 | timeless_pidgin | You got the syntax wrong :) |
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| 18:08.51 | vkvraju | whats the correct one then? |
| 18:09.18 | DocScrutinizer | ~tell vkvraju about query |
| 18:09.56 | vkvraju | not yet, is it lunch time for the bot :) |
| 18:10.00 | timeless_pidgin | "what is (foo-that-may-or-may-not-exist)?" |
| 18:10.02 | TiagoTiago_ | who is apt? |
| 18:10.18 | DocScrutinizer | apt is infobot |
| 18:10.25 | timeless_pidgin | .in didn't exist. Someone presumably deleted it |
| 18:10.39 | vkvraju | hehe :) |
| 18:10.58 | DocScrutinizer | ~factinfo .in |
| 18:10.58 | infobot | .in -- created by timeless_pidgin <~timeless@83-71-74-190-dynamic.b-ras1.lmk.limerick.eircom.net> 2m 1s ago; it has been requested once, last by timeless_pidgin, 1m 22s ago. |
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| 18:11.53 | timeless_pidgin | Well, just because it *didn't* exist when you asked doesn't mean it shouldn't exist the next time someone asks :) |
| 18:11.55 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, seems infobot can learn by spying what we say |
| 18:12.11 | DocScrutinizer | ~literal .in |
| 18:12.11 | infobot | ".in" is "India" |
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| 18:12.21 | timeless_pidgin | Depends on whether it's in passive or active mode |
| 18:12.37 | vkvraju | now I am confused. whats the deal with this timeless_pidgin. I am new to IRC. So, kindly bear with me |
| 18:13.08 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: just forget it |
| 18:13.18 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: doesn't mean a thing |
| 18:13.19 | timeless_pidgin | It doesn't matter |
| 18:13.37 | TiagoTiago_ | timeless is a person, infobot is a bot |
| 18:13.38 | DocScrutinizer | having some fun with a bot |
| 18:13.43 | timeless_pidgin | Anyone you talk to could be a bot, or a dog |
| 18:13.53 | vkvraju | Ok, now I got it. hehe |
| 18:13.58 | TiagoTiago_ | or an FBI agent pretending to be an underaged kid |
| 18:14.02 | timeless_pidgin | Some things you talk to might be people |
| 18:14.29 | timeless_pidgin | Regardless of whether you are talking to people or bots, someone might be upset if you misbehave |
| 18:14.36 | vkvraju | so, FBI is interested in maemo? Interesting |
| 18:14.36 | DocScrutinizer | or an underaged kid pretending to be an FBI agent pretending to be an underaged kid |
| 18:15.24 | DocScrutinizer | FBI is just interested in *you* |
| 18:15.38 | timeless_pidgin | The point is that you shouldn't misbehave |
| 18:15.44 | vkvraju | what about Interpol, scotland yard? are they here too ? :) |
| 18:15.50 | timeless_pidgin | Nor should you make assumptions |
| 18:15.50 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
| 18:16.03 | timeless_pidgin | There are 478 connections |
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| 18:16.08 | DocScrutinizer | tey're spying on FBI :-P |
| 18:16.14 | timeless_pidgin | At least one of which publishes logs |
| 18:16.23 | timeless_pidgin | Which are indexed by google |
| 18:16.23 | vkvraju | ok, now back to topic, when can we expect PR 1.4 for our N900 |
| 18:16.37 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: pr1.4? |
| 18:16.48 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: pr1.3? |
| 18:16.48 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 18:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.4 |
| 18:17.22 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot: pr1.4 is extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.4 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 18:17.22 | infobot | timeless_pidgin: okay |
| 18:17.25 | vkvraju | Infobot: Kill switch? |
| 18:17.25 | infobot | ACTION shoots a magneto-ionized anti-photon gun at switch |
| 18:17.46 | timeless_pidgin | Infobot tell vkvraju about pr1.4 |
| 18:18.02 | TiagoTiago_ | ~timebomb vkvraju |
| 18:18.10 | vkvraju | hehe |
| 18:18.23 | vkvraju | Infobot: Nokia rules |
| 18:18.32 | TiagoTiago_ | balls, infobot doesn't know how to play timebomb |
| 18:18.34 | TiagoTiago_ | :( |
| 18:18.43 | vkvraju | :( :) |
| 18:19.13 | vkvraju | Tiago, try nuclear bomb. It's a modern bot |
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| 18:19.54 | TiagoTiago_ | the explosive technology is less important than the trigger |
| 18:20.17 | vkvraju | whenever I see that N8, I am getting tempted to go for it. The camera module is really amazing there. |
| 18:21.03 | TiagoTiago_ | like that card ad says "power is nothing without control" |
| 18:21.07 | TiagoTiago_ | gah |
| 18:21.19 | TiagoTiago_ | like that car ad says "power is nothing without control" |
| 18:21.30 | vkvraju | was it Toyota ? :) |
| 18:21.36 | DocScrutinizer | damn, I need a coffe |
| 18:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | e |
| 18:21.41 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 18:21.43 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.4 |
| 18:21.44 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.4 is <replay> PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 18:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | obviously |
| 18:21.55 | vkvraju | ~pr2.4 |
| 18:22.07 | vkvraju | Infobot: ~pr2.4 |
| 18:22.19 | DocScrutinizer | ~pr1.4 |
| 18:22.19 | infobot | PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject |
| 18:22.53 | TiagoTiago_ | infobot: Who's your daddy? |
| 18:22.54 | infobot | YOU are, Mr Sexy Pants! |
| 18:23.03 | DocScrutinizer | vkvraju: messing too much with infobot also might count as off topic chan spamming (/me going to kick himself) |
| 18:23.04 | TiagoTiago_ | rolls eyes |
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| 18:23.27 | vkvraju | ok |
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| 18:24.18 | DocScrutinizer | on a general notice: |
| 18:24.19 | timeless_pidgin | In other news: ... |
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| 18:24.21 | DocScrutinizer | ~query |
| 18:24.21 | infobot | talk dirty to me! Preferably, do so after you have typed "/query apt" which should open a new window/tab/whatever with most irc clients. You can talk to me all you like and don't annoy other people with endless queries. Be aware that the stuff you write is logged, so don't get too 1337 :) |
| 18:24.26 | timeless_pidgin | Oh brother |
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| 18:24.36 | timeless_pidgin | I can't copy a history item |
| 18:24.41 | timeless_pidgin | stabs someone |
| 18:24.48 | mgedmin | says "ouch" |
| 18:24.54 | TiagoTiago_ | why not? |
| 18:24.55 | timeless_pidgin | Docscrutinizer: what number is next! |
| 18:25.06 | DocScrutinizer | lol, 4711 |
| 18:25.41 | DocScrutinizer | ~ timeless number is 27 |
| 18:25.41 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 18:25.58 | timeless_pidgin | http://www.neatorama.com/2010/09/27/this-is-how-i-link-science-articles/ |
| 18:26.11 | jacekowski | ~ timeless number |
| 18:26.12 | infobot | i guess timeless number is 27 |
| 18:26.50 | DocScrutinizer | infobot: no, timeless number is 28 |
| 18:26.51 | infobot | okay, DocScrutinizer |
| 18:27.05 | TiagoTiago_ | ~timeless umber |
| 18:27.09 | TiagoTiago_ | ~timeless number |
| 18:27.09 | infobot | from memory, timeless number is 28 |
| 18:27.20 | TiagoTiago_ | interesting |
| 18:27.40 | timeless_pidgin | That number is correct ? |
| 18:27.46 | timeless_pidgin | is about to use it |
| 18:28.01 | TiagoTiago_ | i have no idea |
| 18:28.08 | timeless_pidgin | Docscrutinizer ? |
| 18:28.22 | h4waii | this hostmode tester thread has become amazing. |
| 18:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_pidgin: I lost track of it |
| 18:28.41 | h4waii | MohammadAG; I hope you're having a laugh |
| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | timeless_pidgin: so might be off a few |
| 18:28.46 | timeless_pidgin | My entries go to 24 |
| 18:29.02 | DocScrutinizer | k, my memories were 25 initially |
| 18:29.02 | timeless_pidgin | It's possible i spent 25+ |
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| 18:29.11 | DocScrutinizer | thought I must have missed 1 or 2 |
| 18:29.12 | timeless_pidgin | Did you find a 25? |
| 18:29.26 | MohammadAG | h4waii, no, I'm about to shoot myself |
| 18:29.35 | DocScrutinizer | hard to grep the logs for it |
| 18:29.40 | MohammadAG | unfortunately I'm not licensed to own a gun |
| 18:29.40 | DocScrutinizer | no special keyword |
| 18:29.47 | timeless_pidgin | Yeah... |
| 18:29.48 | vkvraju | are there any docks available for the n900, anyone? |
| 18:30.10 | TiagoTiago_ | does infobot really learns by observing or only when addressed directly? |
| 18:30.15 | h4waii | Dude, it's pure awesome. |
| 18:30.15 | timeless_pidgin | 25. History and anything like it (bookmarks) need to support basic operations (like copy). After all, if it's important enough to retrieve, it should be available for copying (grr: microb) |
| 18:30.21 | MohammadAG | only when addressed |
| 18:30.21 | h4waii | I am dying laughing. |
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| 18:30.49 | timeless_pidgin | Tiagotiago: this one is in required mode, or at least as it requires a command char is effectiv |
| 18:30.56 | DocScrutinizer | TiagoTiago_: only by direct addressing |
| 18:30.56 | TiagoTiago_ | We need a Misinfobot, that learns from what anyone says |
| 18:30.57 | timeless_pidgin | Ely require |
| 18:31.03 | DocScrutinizer | though : ... |
| 18:31.06 | timeless_pidgin | We don't |
| 18:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | ~seen TiagoTiago_ |
| 18:31.27 | infobot | tiagotiago_ is currently on #maemo (3h 54m 54s). Has said a total of 152 messages. Is idling for 31s, last said: 'We need a Misinfobot, that learns from what anyone says'. |
| 18:31.27 | MohammadAG | I wish some mods would get off there arses |
| 18:31.27 | timeless_pidgin | Tilde foo is bar |
| 18:31.27 | timeless_pidgin | Would teach it |
| 18:31.27 | timeless_pidgin | So it isn't technically require |
| 18:31.29 | DocScrutinizer | damn, who killed her? |
| 18:31.32 | DocScrutinizer | ooh |
| 18:32.01 | TiagoTiago_ | Infobot is currently lagging a bit it seems |
| 18:32.05 | timeless_pidgin | Most learning is probably done in private |
| 18:32.20 | h4waii | ~exec forkbomb(); |
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| 18:35.16 | TiagoTiago_ | to suspend the setlments constructions, and then start a regime of random bombing and boobytrapping the building sites untill they learn they shouldn't go there, then one last carpetbombing to clean the mines and let the other people come |
| 18:35.21 | TiagoTiago_ | we need to* |
| 18:37.55 | timeless_pidgin | :( the box (run by a friend) which had hosted my blog died. That explains why it's offline :( |
| 18:38.06 | TiagoTiago_ | :( |
| 18:38.10 | TiagoTiago_ | got backups? |
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| 18:38.31 | timeless_pidgin | It was mostly restored |
| 18:38.43 | TiagoTiago_ | thats good |
| 18:38.48 | timeless_pidgin | Bur the web server itself isn't up |
| 18:39.12 | TiagoTiago_ | :( |
| 18:39.56 | timeless_pidgin | s/r/t/ |
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| 18:47.39 | TiagoTiago_ | DocScrutinizer i got gree light, is it safe to turn it on now? |
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| 18:47.47 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 18:48.45 | TiagoTiago_ | this is an absurd, skreemr.com doesn't got any mp3 indexed for "heads down stay down" !! |
| 18:48.58 | DocScrutinizer | bq27200.sh script will show you a nice Cycle Count since Learning: 0 Total Cycle |
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| 18:54.02 | TiagoTiago_ | where do i find that? |
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| 18:57.33 | TiagoTiago_ | nvm |
| 18:58.07 | TiagoTiago_ | hm, wait, thaty wasn't it |
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| 19:03.18 | TiagoTiago_ | googling for that isn't helping |
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| 19:09.02 | TiagoTiago_ | running that command Speed suggested, ith near full charge now, it's about 3983 |
| 19:09.32 | TiagoTiago_ | lshal|grep battery.voltage.current |
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| 19:10.16 | TiagoTiago_ | SpeedEvil: doing the draining battery thing didn't seem to have changed anything... |
| 19:12.33 | TiagoTiago_ | oh, it was jacekowski that suggested draining |
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| 19:16.38 | TiagoTiago_ | DocScrutinizer is the script you mentioned there this http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powerscript ? |
| 19:16.56 | DocScrutinizer | not exactly |
| 19:17.20 | TiagoTiago_ | where do i find that bq script you mentioned? |
| 19:17.43 | DocScrutinizer | http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar |
| 19:18.24 | TiagoTiago_ | lol, that lhal command now is reporting a 4007 instead of 3983 |
| 19:18.37 | TiagoTiago_ | thanx |
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| 19:31.10 | TiagoTiago_ | indeed the count is zero |
| 19:31.45 | TiagoTiago_ | would that charge.sh in that same address also be of my interest? |
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| 19:33.48 | sivang | re |
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| 19:34.45 | TiagoTiago_ | ~re |
| 19:34.45 | infobot | i guess re is religious education |
| 19:34.51 | TiagoTiago_ | <.< |
| 19:38.37 | TiagoTiago_ | sivang? |
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| 19:44.17 | sivang | TiagoTiago_: hehe |
| 19:44.57 | sivang | "I'm so happy cause today I managed to mak USB networking work!.." (sung in Nirvana's SLTS tune) |
| 19:45.25 | TiagoTiago_ | yay! |
| 19:45.42 | sivang | so stupid wok network had the range which is default to setup offered in the wiki , MADDE or anything mentioned about it for that matter. |
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| 19:45.54 | sivang | I am now using 10.100.10.x and it works like a harm |
| 19:45.57 | sivang | err, charm |
| 19:46.12 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 19:46.15 | sivang | (laptop is unplugged and is mostly idle so keystrokes are missed) |
| 19:46.30 | sivang | but you know what? sb runs surprisingly well on it |
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| 19:46.54 | sivang | now we can rock on, not to install sshfs/nfs to rsync for full backup |
| 19:47.09 | sivang | actually better save it on the uSD |
| 19:50.16 | sivang | *now |
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| 19:54.57 | sivang | what I don't get it is, once I added my DNS server ip address to the device, it can access the whole wide world. Is ipv4_forward = 1 by default in recent Ubuntus? |
| 19:56.51 | mgedmin | no |
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| 19:57.26 | mgedmin | not unless you install something like ipmasq |
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| 19:59.12 | sivang | mgedmin: doesn't seem to have it, why does forwarding works then? |
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| 19:59.59 | sivang | mgedmin: packages reach the device back without problem, only thing I needed to do was add my DNS in /etc/resolv.conf |
| 20:00.06 | mgedmin | something must have turned it on |
| 20:00.08 | sivang | I should say, packets |
| 20:00.18 | sivang | checks |
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| 20:03.14 | sivang | btw, for those with whom I discussed the unsupported wifi chip through 9.04 that rumors has it is now in 10.04's kernel is rtl819xSE |
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| 20:07.09 | sivang | ah no more echo > .../ipv4 something, only sysctl? |
| 20:07.36 | mgedmin | both work |
| 20:07.42 | mgedmin | sysctl is a bit nicer perhaps |
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| 20:07.53 | mgedmin | no jumping through hoops if you need to use sudo |
| 20:08.44 | sivang | right, so judging by sysctl v4 forwarding is not enabled |
| 20:08.52 | sivang | I mean, by the sysctl.conf file |
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| 20:09.20 | h4waii | DocScrutinizer5 |
| 20:09.32 | sivang | hey h4waii |
| 20:09.50 | h4waii | Hi. |
| 20:10.25 | sivang | how odd |
| 20:11.21 | sivang | sysctl reports that it is turned off, maybe network manager has some in built forwarding it does on its own?? |
| 20:11.33 | sivang | hates it when things work and he does not know why |
| 20:11.38 | h4waii | I am still looking for the config that controls the Phone app rotation. |
| 20:11.50 | sivang | I prefert them to break otherwise :) |
| 20:12.06 | mgedmin | network manager has an option for internet sharing, but afaiu it turns on that sysctl and spawns dnsmasq as a dns/dhcp server |
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| 20:13.05 | sivang | mgedmin: dnsmasq is intsalled, but not running |
| 20:14.57 | sivang | h4waii: you want to stop it form rotating? |
| 20:15.13 | h4waii | I want to know where the config file is. |
| 20:15.32 | mgedmin | gconf? |
| 20:15.36 | h4waii | No. |
| 20:15.45 | h4waii | There is a static text conf |
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| 20:15.55 | h4waii | It's in a dothidden directory. |
| 20:15.58 | sivang | h4waii: I see, maybe retcomm something ? |
| 20:18.13 | sivang | there are two packages, phonet, and phonet-at |
| 20:18.21 | sivang | tries to poke at them |
| 20:18.25 | h4waii | ... |
| 20:18.35 | h4waii | That has nothing to do with what I'm looking for. |
| 20:19.20 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 20:19.28 | MohammadAG | sec |
| 20:19.58 | MohammadAG | /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini |
| 20:20.06 | h4waii | FFS. Thank you. |
| 20:20.10 | MohammadAG | :) |
| 20:21.12 | sivang | heh |
| 20:23.05 | TiagoTiago_ | well, i'm heading off, cya |
| 20:27.47 | sivang | MohammadAG: interestingly, [sudo] password for sivan: |
| 20:27.48 | sivang | net.ipv4.ip_forward = 0 |
| 20:28.15 | sivang | MohammadAG: oops, I meant: lsof | grep rtcom | grep ui does not cover the settings file, when is it accessed? |
| 20:28.33 | h4waii | sivang - what are you talking about? |
| 20:29.08 | sivang | h4waii: trynig to find what files the call ui proram access |
| 20:29.17 | h4waii | For what purposes? |
| 20:29.19 | MohammadAG | only that |
| 20:29.36 | sivang | MohammadAG: ? |
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| 20:29.50 | MohammadAG | the settings file is accessed at the startup of the phone app |
| 20:30.02 | MohammadAG | killall -9 rtcom-call-ui |
| 20:30.17 | jacekowski | that will reboot your phone |
| 20:30.27 | MohammadAG | no |
| 20:30.30 | sivang | MohammadAG: ah I see |
| 20:30.35 | h4waii | Has renice been ported? |
| 20:30.43 | MohammadAG | it will just kill the phone app |
| 20:30.47 | sivang | so maybe watch -n1 would help here |
| 20:30.53 | jacekowski | and dsme will restart it |
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| 20:31.25 | jacekowski | and after you kill it 3rd time dsme will reboot phone |
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| 20:31.48 | MohammadAG | not sure about that |
| 20:31.56 | MohammadAG | but kiling it once doesn't reboot the phone |
| 20:31.58 | MohammadAG | killing |
| 20:31.58 | sivang | jacekowski: what's dsme? |
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| 20:32.31 | luke-jr__ | sivang: some useless daemon in Maemo |
| 20:32.34 | sivang | oh damn right, the app is there idling until it's is called |
| 20:32.43 | jacekowski | ~dsme |
| 20:32.47 | luke-jr__ | it doesn't actually do nything *useful* that I know of :p |
| 20:32.54 | jacekowski | ~dsme is Device State Managment Entity |
| 20:32.54 | infobot | jacekowski: okay |
| 20:32.59 | jacekowski | i hope i spelled it right |
| 20:33.23 | sivang | yes, that's what the deb pkg desc says |
| 20:33.37 | sivang | but "Is it alive??" (tm) |
| 20:33.46 | sivang | or waht does it do? |
| 20:33.59 | jacekowski | it's dealing with watchdogs |
| 20:34.08 | jacekowski | and keeping important apps alive |
| 20:34.19 | sivang | like the phone app? |
| 20:34.35 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 20:34.37 | jacekowski | and xorg |
| 20:34.39 | jacekowski | and bme |
| 20:34.45 | sivang | watchdogs are central to embedded development, we have one in PlugPC |
| 20:34.46 | jacekowski | and pa |
| 20:34.57 | jacekowski | we have loads of them in maemo |
| 20:35.14 | sivang | jacekowski: is pa important app? :-p </excuse the viciousness> |
| 20:35.27 | jacekowski | yeah, sound would die without it |
| 20:35.34 | sivang | yeah I Know |
| 20:35.41 | sivang | bad joke |
| 20:35.43 | jacekowski | so unless you replace it it's important |
| 20:36.00 | sivang | I tried reading the other day about its routing paradigm |
| 20:36.34 | sivang | it is one hell of complicate piece of software, at least according to docs about it. (never looked at the sources) |
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| 20:37.39 | sivang | I guess the watchdog is fairly good, given I'v never seen my phone drop to a terminal |
| 20:37.39 | jacekowski | it's complicated solution to simple problem |
| 20:38.05 | sivang | that mandriva guy has a fairly nice and drilling address at it |
| 20:38.45 | sivang | he also has ideas for improvement, especially with the stream restoration |
| 20:39.59 | sivang | hmm, ufw is also disabled so no idea why forwarding works |
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| 20:40.48 | MohammadAG | ~dsme is actually Device State Management Entity |
| 20:40.48 | infobot | ...but dsme is already something else... |
| 20:41.00 | MohammadAG | that's why I'm correcting you idiot |
| 20:41.11 | MohammadAG | ~dsme is Device State Management Entity |
| 20:41.12 | infobot | ...but dsme is already something else... |
| 20:41.21 | MohammadAG | facesmacks |
| 20:41.32 | MohammadAG | ~forget dsme |
| 20:41.33 | infobot | MohammadAG: i forgot dsme |
| 20:41.36 | MohammadAG | ~dsme is Device State Management Entity |
| 20:41.36 | infobot | MohammadAG: okay |
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| 20:42.58 | sivang | wonders what happens on the phone if Xorg is killed |
| 20:43.13 | sivang | jacekowski: what other watchdogs do we have in the platform? |
| 20:43.51 | jacekowski | read trm and stuff |
| 20:44.02 | SpeedEvil | IIRC it reboots |
| 20:44.03 | jacekowski | there is hardware wd in case dsme dies |
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| 20:44.38 | alterego | That bugger that restarts the device after 30s |
| 20:44.52 | sivang | heh |
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| 20:45.56 | sivang | jacekowski: high precision timers? |
| 20:46.40 | jacktheripper | how can I upload into the SDK repos ? |
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| 20:48.16 | sivang | ipv6 forwarding is also disabled |
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| 20:48.19 | sivang | hrm |
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| 20:55.25 | jacktheripper | I'm trying to upload a library to extras, where do I upload the -dev package ? |
| 20:56.34 | MohammadAG | umm |
| 20:56.48 | MohammadAG | whenever I unlock the screen my N900 reboots |
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| 20:57.13 | MohammadAG | jacktheripper, extras |
| 20:57.55 | jacktheripper | MohammadAG, development is supposed to be done on the SDK right ? |
| 20:58.06 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:58.47 | jacktheripper | well, is the extras repo available for the sdk ? |
| 20:58.55 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 20:59.01 | jacktheripper | ah |
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| 21:04.08 | nox- | moin |
| 21:04.47 | sivang | hey nox- |
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| 21:05.18 | sivang | nox-: mayeb you have an idea why forwardin works for my USB netowrk when I did not set it to '1' in the host PC? |
| 21:05.23 | sivang | and moins, btw |
| 21:05.35 | Pillum | hey there |
| 21:05.52 | Pillum | when i try to boot up meego with bootmenu |
| 21:05.57 | Pillum | the screen goes black |
| 21:06.05 | Pillum | but with flasher it is possible |
| 21:06.13 | Pillum | did the bootmenu code changed? |
| 21:07.00 | Pillum | its a n900 btw |
| 21:08.22 | nox- | sivang, you mean like ip forwarding? does the device get an ip in your host's subnet? |
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| 21:10.35 | sivang | nox-: no |
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| 21:11.07 | nox- | no to first or second q? :) |
| 21:11.11 | nox- | or to |
| 21:11.24 | sivang | nox-: 10.100.10.x's while my host subnet is 192.168.1.x, once I put the DNS server into /etc/resolv.conf, (192.168.1.1) the device has access to outside world as if it is using NAT/ip_forwarding |
| 21:11.35 | sivang | nox-: :) |
| 21:11.39 | kerio | are you sure it's not connected with something else too? |
| 21:11.58 | nox- | hm sounds as if the host is doing nat or even something like slirp... |
| 21:12.03 | sivang | kerio: hrm |
| 21:12.11 | sivang | palmfaces |
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| 21:12.39 | sivang | kerio: damn thing connected to the wifi as well ! |
| 21:12.43 | mgedmin | heh |
| 21:12.43 | kerio | hahahaha i knew it |
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| 21:12.48 | Pillum | is there a way to dualboot meego? |
| 21:12.56 | nox- | haha |
| 21:13.12 | sivang | Pillum: not in a safe way, the preferred way is to boot through a USB host with the image on a mSD |
| 21:13.24 | sivang | Pillum: this will be worked on though |
| 21:13.30 | sivang | nox-: yes :) |
| 21:13.34 | Pillum | ok, thx sivang |
| 21:13.57 | sivang | Pillum: np :) |
| 21:15.04 | sivang | kerio: thanks for helping me sort that out, the phone is darkened so I did not see the wifi connection on :) |
| 21:16.44 | sivang | when in doubt , the simple explenations usually holds. |
| 21:18.17 | kerio | occam ftw |
| 21:19.24 | sivang | didn't know that's how it is called, but interesting read on wp nonetheless |
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| 21:21.25 | sivang | or who's named this rule |
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| 21:25.30 | DocScrutinizer | occam's razor? well known |
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| 21:26.21 | DocScrutinizer | think I even had to learn about it n school, physics lessons |
| 21:27.59 | sivang | nobody taught me that and I studied a few semseters in Math and CS in uni |
| 21:28.13 | sivang | in economics probably it is well taught |
| 21:29.02 | nox- | it is well known, tho i dont remember if i learned it at school... |
| 21:32.46 | jacktheripper | I'm getting this "checking for X... no |
| 21:32.47 | jacktheripper | checking for XLIB... no |
| 21:32.47 | jacktheripper | configure: error: "no (requires X development libraries)" |
| 21:32.47 | jacktheripper | make: *** [config.status] Error 1 |
| 21:32.47 | jacktheripper | dpkg-buildpackage: error: debian/rules build gave error exit status 2 |
| 21:32.47 | jacktheripper | " when I try to upload my library package, there's no X in that environment !? |
| 21:32.54 | jacktheripper | Sorry for the flood |
| 21:35.05 | sivang | did anybody every experience the fonts getting enlarged suddenly with no apparent reason, or under high multitasking load? |
| 21:35.10 | sivang | for example, in modest |
| 21:35.19 | sivang | maybe this is localized to modest only, duonno |
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| 21:41.02 | jacktheripper | guys, I'm sure someone has an answer to this, some help, please ? |
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| 21:48.10 | nox- | jacktheripper, i never uploaded any package but could this be just a missing dep? |
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| 21:56.27 | sivang | nox-: I think he means the buildd, e.g. the server that rebuilds the package from source if it is like ubuntu where you never upload binary package |
| 21:56.37 | sivang | nox-: in debian, you used to I think |
| 21:56.53 | nox- | yeah but he'll have to specify the deps nevertheless (right?) |
| 21:57.02 | luke-jr__ | sivang: if he's missing the deps, the server won't necessarily provide them |
| 21:57.05 | luke-jr__ | build deps that is |
| 21:57.14 | jacktheripper | that was the case five minutes ago, but even after adding libx11-dev to the deps, it still doesn't build. |
| 21:57.28 | jacktheripper | I think I figured it out anyway |
| 21:57.31 | luke-jr__ | an ideal build farm would actually use a libc wrapper to pretend files not depended on don't exist ;) |
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| 22:00.36 | sivang | luke-jr__: right |
| 22:00.56 | sivang | luke-jr__: and right :) |
| 22:07.19 | sivang | jacktheripper: what was it? |
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| 22:08.12 | jacktheripper | sivang: I'm not yet sure I solved it, but my -dev package didn't have the deps (though I did do a rebuild after changing debian/controls). After another rebuild, it has it. Uploading now. |
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| 22:15.34 | sivang | jacktheripper: i'll hold fingers for you |
| 22:15.37 | sivang | jacktheripper: do you dupload ? |
| 22:16.11 | jacktheripper | sivang: no, the web wizard. |
| 22:16.42 | sivang | jacktheripper: ah, don't know what's that- I used dupload when I worked on Ubuntu |
| 22:16.44 | jacktheripper | sivang: just got it now, same message.. |
| 22:16.49 | sivang | bah |
| 22:17.24 | sivang | jacktheripper: and it builds on your sb? |
| 22:17.34 | jacktheripper | I'm not specifying header packages for the binary package, could that be the problem ? |
| 22:17.37 | jacktheripper | sivang: yep |
| 22:18.00 | sivang | jacktheripper: no, you don't need headers for running the binary |
| 22:18.14 | sivang | jacktheripper: just a way for pkgconfig to return a sane asnwer when configure queries it |
| 22:18.35 | sivang | not sure what's going on there, wanna send me the source and I will try to build it on my sb? |
| 22:18.39 | sivang | jacktheripper: ^ |
| 22:18.43 | jacktheripper | sivang: I know, that's why I didn't add it. But I lost all the possible errors. |
| 22:18.52 | DocScrutinizer | oh shit, stuxnet - now it's becoming really nasty |
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| 22:19.14 | jacktheripper | sivang: actually I'll try the tar.gz that gets built :) |
| 22:20.18 | sivang | wondres if there's a way to apt-get build-dep $pkg where $pkg is your created pkg and not in the repo |
| 22:21.42 | sivang | jacktheripper: make sure subtvars et al not changing your control files for the build-deps |
| 22:21.54 | jacktheripper | btw guys, I was actually talking about the orig.tar.gz I send the server. That doesn't have any 'deps' does it ? |
| 22:22.12 | sivang | jacktheripper: that would be the prestine source no? |
| 22:22.17 | sivang | jacktheripper: e.g. without debian cruft |
| 22:22.29 | jacktheripper | sivang: yes. But the server uses it to build the debian package. |
| 22:22.41 | jacktheripper | sivang: and of course it didn't reach that stage yet. |
| 22:22.51 | jacktheripper | sivang: it's failing at the ./configure stage |
| 22:22.56 | sivang | jacktheripper: how does it know about build-deps then? |
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| 22:23.27 | jacktheripper | sivang: no idea, it's actually my first time getting into packaging :/ |
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| 22:24.22 | sivang | jacktheripper: ah okay, where's the web interface can you toss me the link? |
| 22:24.44 | jacktheripper | https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/index.php |
| 22:25.00 | jacktheripper | but I send files before that, I'll check the deps there |
| 22:25.40 | jacktheripper | .dsc doesn't say any deps other than debhelper and autotools-dev, while they're there in debian/control. |
| 22:26.03 | sivang | jacktheripper: that do you have else then orig.tar.gz ? |
| 22:26.44 | jacktheripper | yes. The interface needs a .changes, a .dsc and a .diff.gz too |
| 22:27.07 | sivang | jacktheripper: and does the .changes file represents the diff to the previous package version's control file? |
| 22:27.18 | sivang | jacktheripper: for example, the added build-deps |
| 22:27.36 | sivang | jacktheripper: ah, it is in the diff actually |
| 22:27.46 | sivang | jacktheripper: never mind, forget what I said - no idea though, sorry |
| 22:28.02 | jacktheripper | np. There's no previous package anyway. |
| 22:28.18 | jacktheripper | I just got the source off some site, and I'm trying to package it |
| 22:29.05 | sivang | I'd try the dput way just to test, as I found here: http://extras-cauldron.garage.maemo.org/HOWTO.html#how-to-prepare-and-upload-source-packages-for-build |
| 22:32.05 | jacktheripper | I found that dpkg-source, which is called somewhere, doesn't take the control file I supply as input. And it generates the .dsc without it. |
| 22:32.18 | jacktheripper | I could either hack the .dsc, or do it the right way. |
| 22:32.27 | jacktheripper | I choose the right way :D |
| 22:33.15 | sivang | jacktheripper: good |
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| 22:35.22 | Handyspacko | hi? |
| 22:35.46 | sivang | jacktheripper: what control file does it take? how do you supply it? |
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| 22:36.59 | jacktheripper | sivang: no idea, that's why doing the right way is usually hard. |
| 22:38.45 | Handyspacko | i can not get install libpcre3 from maemo extras devel, because it is not shown up there and in the xterminal with sudo gainroot.....apt-get install libpcre3 it says ist could be in a another repository CAN ANYONE PLEASE HELP ME i am on NOKIA N900 |
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| 22:41.09 | sivang | jacktheripper: it says in the man page that if a relative path is givne, it will add he root of the source tree to the path |
| 22:41.24 | sivang | jacktheripper: http://man.he.net/man1/dpkg-source search for -ccontorlfile |
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| 22:41.38 | jacktheripper | I saw that |
| 22:41.42 | sivang | jacktheripper: you can try specify the control file through that and see what happens |
| 22:41.46 | jacktheripper | problem is, I don't know where dpkg-source is called |
| 22:41.59 | jacktheripper | in debhelper I mean |
| 22:42.29 | Handyspacko | can you help me please after your problem? |
| 22:43.20 | Handyspacko | i can not get install libpcre3 from maemo extras devel, because it is not shown up there and in the xterminal with sudo gainroot.....apt-get install libpcre3 it says ist could be in a another repository, i am on NOKIA N900 |
| 22:43.45 | Handyspacko | what can i do |
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| 22:45.44 | sivang | jacktheripper: you can pass this option to dpkg-buildpackage and it will communicate it down to dpkg-source IIRC |
| 22:46.01 | jacktheripper | sivang: oh. thanks. |
| 22:46.09 | sivang | jacktheripper: anwyay, I'm bugging instead of helping, should get to sleep already. Good Luck! |
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| 22:46.26 | sivang | and good night |
| 22:46.30 | jacktheripper | good night :) |
| 22:46.36 | Handyspacko | hey are you ignoring me |
| 22:46.44 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: add the repo mentioned here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=821492 |
| 22:46.56 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: and there's no 'ignoring' on IRC. |
| 22:47.13 | Handyspacko | mhh thx i am looking on it |
| 22:50.21 | Handyspacko | ok whhhhaaat? i dont get it |
| 22:50.29 | Handyspacko | what i have to do? |
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| 22:50.43 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: did you add repositories before ? |
| 22:50.49 | Handyspacko | yes |
| 22:50.55 | Handyspacko | devel and testing |
| 22:51.06 | Handyspacko | in program manger |
| 22:51.25 | jacktheripper | do that |
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| 22:51.47 | jacktheripper | except, when specifying configuration, add the info mentioned in the second post of that link |
| 22:51.56 | Handyspacko | i want to instal kismet but it says i have to install missing package libpcre3 |
| 22:53.03 | Handyspacko | i searched the net and everyone says libpcre is in maemo devel an i have add the repo but nothing shown up there |
| 22:54.17 | Handyspacko | in terminal i have apt-get update and apt-get install libpcre3 and apt-get install -f libpcre3 but nothing |
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| 22:55.33 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: yes, add the repo in that link. It's in it. |
| 22:56.00 | Handyspacko | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps this one??? |
| 22:56.20 | Handyspacko | sorry i am german |
| 22:56.45 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: yes, and no problem. |
| 22:57.04 | Handyspacko | i try |
| 22:57.14 | Handyspacko | please be paciend |
| 22:57.17 | jacktheripper | sure. |
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| 23:01.37 | Handyspacko | ok i have add it but did not shown up there in program manager |
| 23:02.14 | jacktheripper | libpcre3 ? |
| 23:02.22 | jacktheripper | apt-get install libpcre3 |
| 23:02.45 | Handyspacko | yes this file |
| 23:02.52 | Handyspacko | i try in console |
| 23:02.54 | jacktheripper | yes |
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| 23:05.35 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko, worked ? |
| 23:05.48 | Handyspacko | failed to fetch https;// downloads........ |
| 23:06.01 | jacktheripper | what's the error ? |
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| 23:06.54 | Handyspacko | ok i type sudo gainroot then apt-get install libpcre3 ... |
| 23:06.56 | Handyspacko | then |
| 23:07.26 | Handyspacko | i say yes |
| 23:08.16 | jacktheripper | just say the failed to fetch error, is it 404 ? |
| 23:08.24 | Handyspacko | and then err https://downoads.maemo........ could not resolve hoast |
| 23:08.31 | Handyspacko | mhhh |
| 23:08.54 | Handyspacko | no error number |
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| 23:09.35 | jacktheripper | could you say the full link ? |
| 23:09.44 | jacktheripper | https://downloads.maemo then ? |
| 23:09.46 | Handyspacko | unable to fetch some arichves mabye run apt-get update i have do it but nothing |
| 23:10.03 | Handyspacko | yes please i am slow |
| 23:10.09 | jacktheripper | no problem |
| 23:12.02 | Handyspacko | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ .libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb |
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| 23:12.18 | Handyspacko | https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/.libpcre3_6.7-1osso1+r1_armel.deb |
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| 23:13.36 | Handyspacko | i download it manually and i will instal it with dkpg i try |
| 23:13.49 | jacktheripper | it says Access Denied |
| 23:13.55 | jacktheripper | there is a problem with the repository |
| 23:14.34 | Handyspacko | yes but why it shows up in programm manger the ohter programms? |
| 23:15.37 | Handyspacko | ok i try give me please 2 minuts |
| 23:17.44 | Handyspacko | yes it worked i have found the file here http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk_free_armel/libpcre3/6.7-1osso1+r1/ |
| 23:17.47 | Handyspacko | thx |
| 23:18.20 | Handyspacko | you helped me how to find the right deb file i whanted |
| 23:18.37 | Handyspacko | love irc extremmmm thx |
| 23:19.23 | Handyspacko | where do you come from? |
| 23:20.06 | Handyspacko | this problem has used maybe 9 hours |
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| 23:22.22 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: egypt :D |
| 23:22.37 | Handyspacko | cool salam a leykum^^ |
| 23:22.59 | jacktheripper | haha |
| 23:23.39 | jacktheripper | glad to help. |
| 23:23.44 | jacktheripper | I'm leaving, good night #maemo |
| 23:23.44 | Handyspacko | wow germany sucks it is so cold and all the germans are working or are so stubborn^^ |
| 23:24.07 | jacktheripper | Handyspacko: xD |
| 23:24.09 | Handyspacko | ok thankyou very much good night |
| 23:24.14 | jacktheripper | welcome |
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| 23:28.50 | jacekowski | and error message in that problem states how to fix it |
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