| 00:01.43 | luke-jr | [18:38:52] <Winnah9000> What's the best way to share 3G from N900 to my laptop? I use Joikuspot, but it killed my battery in 2 hours |
| 00:01.45 | luke-jr | lol |
| 00:01.47 | luke-jr | no reallyââ :P |
| 00:02.23 | kfx | I wish mobilehotspot or whatever worked right |
| 00:03.19 | luke-jr | kfx: it does if you install its custom kernel |
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| 00:04.12 | kfx | I am running that kernel |
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| 00:06.11 | pigeon | mobilehotspot works for me quite well, but it also uses quite a bit of battery, my feeling is 3g + wifi together will use up battery fast. |
| 00:06.26 | pigeon | the phone also feels hotter too, or it could be just my imagination. |
| 00:06.47 | luke-jr | yeah, that's my point |
| 00:07.00 | luke-jr | nothing software can do to negate the inherent power usage of radios |
| 00:11.53 | SpeedEvil | pigeon: It's not your imagination. |
| 00:12.13 | pigeon | heh, glad to know ;) |
| 00:12.24 | SpeedEvil | Wifi active all the time eats maybe .6W, 3G active all teh time eats maybe 2W |
| 00:12.47 | SpeedEvil | So - if you're using it heavily - it can be derad in little more than an hour |
| 00:12.56 | pigeon | you know how sometimes you feel hot in your pants, and you're not sure why ;) |
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| 00:46.21 | Mercury | Alright, I have a N810, and I'm happy with it. Except that the sensor/switch for detecting keyboard open/closed is now triggering when the unit is closed. |
| 00:46.52 | luke-jr | O.o |
| 00:47.36 | Mercury | For that matter, it is not always triggering when I open the keyboard. |
| 00:48.09 | Mercury | As far as I can tell from memory, the separation between the keyboard side and the screen side (while the keyboard is closed) has grown noticably since I got the unit. |
| 00:48.30 | Mercury | So, any good repair guides for taking the n810 apart and getting it back together again when you're done? |
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| 01:02.12 | DocScrutinizer | Mercury: maybe this may help a bit: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/ |
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| 01:07.20 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Thank you. |
| 01:09.01 | DocScrutinizer | Mercury: iirc the kbd slide is consisting of a magnet in display half, and a reed switch next to kbd mat (the white thing with the domes) |
| 01:11.49 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Huh, that shouldn't have this failure mode then, not unless the real issue is the keyboard half being too separated from the display half. |
| 01:12.02 | DocScrutinizer | Mercury: so a slider mech that got loose or deformed may increase the distance between magnet and switch, causing it to fail. But I can't see how it both would erroneously detect kbd slide open when it isn't, and also not detect sometimes |
| 01:12.05 | DocScrutinizer | yep |
| 01:12.56 | Mercury | Are we sure that it's a always sensing while closed switch, and not a trigger causing a state change? |
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| 01:13.39 | DocScrutinizer | the physical switch for sure |
| 01:13.48 | internetishard | hey, how do you make it so you only auto connect to SOME networks? |
| 01:13.59 | Mercury | Hrm. |
| 01:14.25 | DocScrutinizer | maybe magnet got loose and now is falling around inside device from one place to another? |
| 01:14.29 | Mercury | Well, I think I will find a replacement tablet, and then try to repair this one. Since I rather don't want to be without if I can't get it back together. |
| 01:14.32 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Maybe. |
| 01:16.13 | DocScrutinizer | reassembling isn't that difficult - except the friggin board2board connector on flat plastic cable to display |
| 01:16.28 | DocScrutinizer | be very careful with this one! |
| 01:16.53 | Mercury | Is it the cable itself which is fragile, or? |
| 01:17.27 | DocScrutinizer | well, the rigid connector soldered to a flexible plastic PCB |
| 01:19.01 | DocScrutinizer | I got no problems with it on disassembling N810, but on some N900 it failed, even when not at all disassembling the device. |
| 01:19.23 | DocScrutinizer | plugging back in is a nightmare anyway |
| 01:19.48 | Mercury | Plug or solder? If it's solder, then yeah, if I break it I'm just screwed. |
| 01:20.26 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00287_jpg.jpeg.html |
| 01:20.57 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00289_jpg.jpeg.html |
| 01:21.03 | Mercury | <PROTECTED> |
| 01:21.39 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00344_jpg.jpeg.html |
| 01:21.45 | Mercury | Do I have to unplug those to get the unit apart? |
| 01:22.01 | DocScrutinizer | http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00345_jpg.jpeg.html |
| 01:22.06 | DocScrutinizer | yes |
| 01:22.16 | kfx | _jpg.jpeg.html |
| 01:22.20 | kfx | nice |
| 01:22.53 | DocScrutinizer | kfx: blame KDE |
| 01:23.46 | Mercury | Fun. |
| 01:23.59 | Mercury | Thank you, I'm going to head home now, since I'm trying to get out of the office. |
| 01:24.39 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: What's the right approach to detach the keyboard side from the display side to get at that connector? |
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| 01:25.00 | DocScrutinizer | unscrew the 4 torx |
| 01:25.14 | DocScrutinizer | carefully lift display half a bit |
| 01:25.41 | Mercury | 4? I see two when I open the keyboard. |
| 01:26.01 | DocScrutinizer | unplug b2b-connector by prying it out with a 'soft' piece of plastic or the like (creditcard) |
| 01:26.52 | DocScrutinizer | nah, those torx are in battery compartment |
| 01:27.24 | Mercury | Ahh. Under the section that's not the battery cover, or actually in with the battery? |
| 01:28.08 | Mercury | Ah, I see.... |
| 01:28.28 | Mercury | And, huh, I wonder if _that's_ related. I have three torx screws, and one hole for a 4th. |
| 01:28.47 | DocScrutinizer | 2 are middle of device, under battery cover. Other two are under small metal cover next to speakers |
| 01:29.08 | Mercury | nods. |
| 01:29.18 | DocScrutinizer | I also have 3 torx, the small ones are for the stand |
| 01:30.08 | DocScrutinizer | the upper small metal cover is just snapped on |
| 01:30.09 | Mercury | Do you have one where the hole is directly next to the battery (actually the hole down to where the screw rests is open slightly on the side facing the battery)? |
| 01:30.53 | DocScrutinizer | uh, I have 4 torx, 2 larger symmetric ones, and 2 small ones on one side, hilding the stand |
| 01:30.53 | Mercury | Because I've got the hole but no screw in it. Which is, unexpected. |
| 01:31.19 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I'm missing one. Any thoughts on where I could find replacements? |
| 01:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | basically everywhere, but hard to find |
| 01:31.45 | Mercury | (There's one place in town that might have one, but it's small enough that it's real questionable.) |
| 01:32.02 | Mercury | Well, I've got a weekend project. |
| 01:32.07 | kfx | Mercury: do you have a Fry's electronics near you? |
| 01:32.07 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Thank you very much. |
| 01:32.11 | Mercury | kfx: Yeah. |
| 01:32.16 | kfx | They have that stuff. |
| 01:32.24 | DocScrutinizer | is it one of the 'outer' small ones that's missing? |
| 01:32.29 | Mercury | That's easier to check then elliots. |
| 01:32.39 | kfx | Backup answer: get in touch with your local ham radio operator club. Those guys are huge nerds with all kinds of everything |
| 01:32.47 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: Nope, it's one of the bigger ones. |
| 01:33.05 | DocScrutinizer | that's one of those fixing the screen half to base half |
| 01:33.18 | Mercury | DocScrutinizer: As I said, I wonder if it has something to do with there being a greater separation between the halves, and causing my problem. |
| 01:33.29 | DocScrutinizer | also if it got inside device, it can mess up magnet function |
| 01:33.38 | Mercury | Yeah. |
| 01:33.42 | DocScrutinizer | sure it's related |
| 01:34.11 | Mercury | I'm really heading out now, but thank you very much. I think I've got a screw hunt to go on. |
| 01:34.21 | kfx | ah, college |
| 01:34.25 | kfx | oh wait you mean actual screws |
| 01:34.31 | kfx | good luck! |
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| 01:37.54 | DocScrutinizer | raster: moo |
| 01:38.09 | DocScrutinizer | and o/ |
| 01:39.37 | raster | DocScrutinizer: big d! |
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| 01:52.50 | internetishard | how do you make it so you only auto connect to SOME networks? |
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| 01:58.43 | lolloo | hellooo0oo |
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| 01:59.15 | lolloo | how do I copy a text from a website on N900? |
| 01:59.45 | SpeedEvil | slide finger in one third up the screen from the left |
| 01:59.50 | SpeedEvil | then select the arrow |
| 01:59.56 | SpeedEvil | then use this to select text |
| 02:00.03 | SpeedEvil | then copy using the menu |
| 02:00.19 | lolloo | ok let me try now mmm |
| 02:01.34 | lolloo | am using the default browser that came with N900 |
| 02:01.47 | lolloo | there is no menu in here |
| 02:01.54 | lolloo | only buttons on the bottom |
| 02:05.31 | wmarone | you see at the top between the status area and the X button? |
| 02:05.58 | wmarone | tap there, it'll bring up the menu |
| 02:06.20 | lolloo | yes menu |
| 02:06.24 | lolloo | save as |
| 02:06.27 | lolloo | and such |
| 02:06.29 | wmarone | right |
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| 02:06.44 | wmarone | so do as SpeedEvil said, then when you have the text selected bring up the menu |
| 02:07.07 | lolloo | can I scroll on the text? |
| 02:07.11 | lolloo | how do I do that? |
| 02:07.31 | lolloo | I mean how do I mark the text on the site |
| 02:07.32 | ALoGeNo | hello all |
| 02:07.44 | ALoGeNo | hey maemo5 use hildon-desktop no? |
| 02:07.53 | wmarone | drag in from outside the left side of the screen |
| 02:08.04 | wmarone | and when you want to start marking text, hold the shift key |
| 02:08.12 | wmarone | ALoGeNo: yes |
| 02:08.30 | ALoGeNo | thank you wmarone |
| 02:09.12 | lolloo | the website is moving when I drag it |
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| 02:09.26 | lolloo | doesnt hold still so I can mark text |
| 02:09.44 | wmarone | when you drag in from the left side of the screen, do you have a cursor? |
| 02:10.24 | lolloo | no |
| 02:10.46 | wmarone | touch just outside the screen, and drag in from the left |
| 02:10.56 | wmarone | slightly towards the bottom edge |
| 02:11.19 | wmarone | a grey square with an arrow in it should appear |
| 02:11.25 | wmarone | and below your stylus should be a cursor |
| 02:11.46 | ShadowJK | lolloo: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7rSDf2IkmLs |
| 02:13.11 | lolloo | hahaha |
| 02:13.21 | lolloo | bad place for a cursor!!! |
| 02:13.32 | lolloo | thank you so much guys! |
| 02:15.01 | lolloo | what the!!! |
| 02:15.14 | lolloo | do I need to held shift!!! |
| 02:15.49 | lolloo | I use my left hand with my stylus! and I cant reach the shift button!!! |
| 02:16.01 | lolloo | how sad is that! |
| 02:16.03 | kfx | this is really exciting! |
| 02:16.04 | Hedman | hahaha |
| 02:16.16 | wmarone | lolloo: when the grey box with the arrow appears, tap it |
| 02:17.17 | lolloo | Yes I am control of the cursor |
| 02:17.27 | lolloo | but how do I copy now |
| 02:18.23 | kfx | either use ctrl+c |
| 02:18.38 | kfx | or else click on the title of the browser page and then select "copy" |
| 02:18.45 | ShadowJK | tap the titlebar area, right off the area with the clock, left of the X that closes the browser |
| 02:19.15 | ShadowJK | if you are in fullscreen, tap lower right corner to see the button to exit fullscreen first |
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| 04:44.30 | lolloo | hellooo0oo |
| 04:44.50 | lolloo | the onion router doesnt work with Xchat |
| 04:45.00 | lolloo | do you think there is a way? |
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| 04:57.30 | MohammadAG51 | worksforme |
| 04:59.03 | slonopotamus | MohammadAG51: how's hildon going? :P |
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| 05:00.49 | slonopotamus | ~wtf wfm |
| 05:03.32 | slonopotamus | i think there are too many abandoned mobile platforms |
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| 06:02.26 | ZogG | slonopotamus ÑÑÑе Ð²Ñ ÐµÑÑн гÑÑ ÑÑ ÑÑÑпÑ, |
| 06:02.34 | ZogG | what do they use in meego? |
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| 06:03.36 | slonopotamus | ZogG: for gui? no idea, smth rewritten from scratch for sure. |
| 06:04.16 | ZogG | meego or nokia meego - asked at #meego same question btw |
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| 06:27.15 | Jaffa | Anyone looked at the election results yet? |
| 06:27.53 | frals | The voting period for the specified election has closed, but the results of the election have not yet been calculated. It is not possible to see the results now. |
| 06:27.58 | frals | thats what i get ;( |
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| 06:30.37 | Jaffa | frals: Yeah, but the ballots are available and people generally try running the results before dneary does ;-) |
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| 06:31.39 | frals | Jaffa: seems people are slacking this time ;) |
| 06:32.13 | Jaffa | Tsk |
| 06:32.20 | Jaffa | best go finish getting ready for Greece. |
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| 06:32.43 | frals | :) |
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| 06:45.27 | Scelt | frals: did you get that imagemagick commandline call? |
| 06:46.27 | frals | Scelt: could you leave it in a query for me please? :) |
| 06:46.38 | Scelt | sure |
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| 06:47.04 | frals | thanks :) |
| 06:47.26 | Scelt | np :) |
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| 06:56.24 | Jaffa | frals: Over 440 votes is the extent of the grepping I've done |
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| 07:02.14 | summel | o/ i need to isntall bzip2 but i cant find that package anywhere :o |
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| 07:03.05 | psycho_oreos | if you add scratchbox repo. you can install bzip2 |
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| 07:04.10 | summel | psycho_oreos: is there a wikipage for that repo? |
| 07:05.00 | summel | oh you mean extras-devel? |
| 07:05.37 | psycho_oreos | summel, no but it might also be in there |
| 07:05.43 | summel | i have extras-devel enabled but there is no bzip2 package in there |
| 07:05.44 | summel | ah i see |
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| 07:06.21 | summel | but http://wiki.maemo.org/Scratchbox_repositories tells the same repository url that i use for extras-devel |
| 07:06.34 | summel | deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free |
| 07:07.03 | psycho_oreos | nope there should be maemo5.0 line somewhere in there |
| 07:07.29 | summel | thats the fremantle line |
| 07:07.37 | summel | there is nothing with maemo on that wiki page :( |
| 07:07.44 | summel | ah |
| 07:07.47 | summel | theres a link |
| 07:08.38 | summel | do i need the one with the eula thingy? |
| 07:09.45 | psycho_oreos | not sure hang on lemme check (on N900 myself now) |
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| 07:10.39 | summel | ok thx :) |
| 07:11.47 | psycho_oreos | summel, http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories |
| 07:11.56 | summel | thx |
| 07:12.46 | psycho_oreos | just read the forewarning before you proceed :) |
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| 07:15.48 | summel | oh i just use the n900 for toying around nothing important on it :) |
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| 07:17.53 | psycho_oreos | lol wait till you realise how versatile it is ;) |
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| 07:33.21 | Khertan | Morning everyone |
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| 07:34.26 | psycho_oreos | evening |
| 07:34.37 | lolloo | morning |
| 07:35.10 | crashanddie | kicking this shit IRC client into the bin, switching to x-chat. Later |
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| 07:35.36 | jpinx-eeepc | afternoon |
| 07:35.47 | merlin1991 | morning :) |
| 07:36.08 | RST38h | yawns |
| 07:36.10 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - but which day? ;) |
| 07:36.11 | RST38h | moo Khertan |
| 07:37.12 | Khertan | :) |
| 07:37.28 | Khertan | start to understand how obs is working |
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| 07:48.34 | ghostcube | hi, anyone running cups here? i cant get the page to be shown i only see quellcode in the browser |
| 07:48.37 | ghostcube | o.O |
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| 07:49.25 | crashanddie | 0.o |
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| 07:49.32 | crashanddie | [-_-] |
| 07:50.21 | ghostcube | d(-_-)b |
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| 07:50.41 | crashanddie | everyone peering over lcuk's shoulder while he develops a new feature on liqbase: [-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-[-_-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-]-] |
| 07:50.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ewww |
| 07:51.10 | ghostcube | heh |
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| 07:53.08 | ghostcube | hmm, i managed to get cups back working after installing syslog. and this showing an error in cupsd.conf i tried to fix it but seems iam missing any option, is there an default cupsd.conf on n900 after installing? |
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| 07:54.39 | Khertan | lost 10 min with obs just to see that tar cannot uncompress zip file ... |
| 07:54.54 | crashanddie | well, obviously |
| 07:54.59 | crashanddie | tar is tar, unzip is zip |
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| 07:56.02 | Khertan | crashanddie, yep ... |
| 07:56.26 | Khertan | this is just that i didn't take care of file extension |
| 07:56.55 | Khertan | but ... i ve never seen a tar.zip before :) |
| 07:57.05 | Khertan | common are tar.gz tar.bz2 |
| 07:57.18 | Khertan | but didn't see the purpose of a tar.zip :) |
| 07:58.15 | crashanddie | khertan: listen to "The Ordinary Boys - Over the Counterculture", tell me what you think of it |
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| 08:02.06 | Khertan | crashanddie, hum ... |
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| 08:02.18 | Khertan | crashanddie, this is far from my music style |
| 08:02.22 | crashanddie | is it? |
| 08:02.26 | crashanddie | What do you listen to usually? |
| 08:03.03 | Khertan | hum ... there is many finnish metal bands |
| 08:03.10 | Khertan | some german |
| 08:03.10 | crashanddie | oh bloody hell |
| 08:03.17 | mece | FTW! |
| 08:03.31 | crashanddie | dude, the 90s called, they want their nu-metal crapshoot back. |
| 08:03.51 | Scelt | Finnish metal, I'm loving it |
| 08:03.54 | Khertan | crashanddie, die apokalyptischen reiter - adrenalin |
| 08:03.55 | mece | There are some good french ones too :) Deathspell Omega and Gorod :) |
| 08:04.01 | ghostcube | dude, the 80's called wanting omd and alphaville back |
| 08:04.08 | ghostcube | o.o |
| 08:04.18 | Khertan | cr33dog, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o |
| 08:04.22 | Khertan | crashanddie, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_wcrFOTH6o |
| 08:04.33 | crashanddie | ghostcube, in case you didn't get my earlier message, I'll spell it out: stop with the fucking stupid emoticons, k? |
| 08:04.33 | Khertan | stupid xchat tab |
| 08:04.45 | mece | hehe "dass es leicht rammstein-like klingt" |
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| 08:04.59 | Khertan | mece, :) |
| 08:05.26 | Khertan | the last song ... the previous album have more english song |
| 08:05.32 | crashanddie | ghostcube, or at least, put them on the same line as your initial comment. Thanks |
| 08:05.41 | Khertan | and look like more death metal than rammstein :) |
| 08:05.56 | ghostcube | rammstein is fucking shit.. |
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| 08:06.15 | crashanddie | well, they've democratised a good deal of that kind of music |
| 08:06.22 | crashanddie | made it accessible, easy to follow, and partly commercial |
| 08:06.22 | mece | ghostcube, pretty good up until reise reise imo. |
| 08:06.44 | ghostcube | its not very well textet and its not very well played ... |
| 08:06.45 | crashanddie | which means a lot of people hate it because it's "too mainstream", even though it's one of the bands that has done most for the music style |
| 08:07.04 | Khertan | and they permit to other groups to exists |
| 08:07.28 | ghostcube | but as german i dont like them cause i hate the base they build the first song on |
| 08:07.31 | crashanddie | anyone who says "not very well texted" is not allowed to criticise the writing quality of an internationally renowned band. |
| 08:07.52 | crashanddie | s/texted/textet/ |
| 08:08.09 | ghostcube | as german i do this |
| 08:08.16 | ghostcube | if you like it or not |
| 08:08.23 | mece | most metal is mainstream her in FI |
| 08:08.29 | crashanddie | whether** |
| 08:08.31 | crashanddie | not if :) |
| 08:08.35 | mece | s/her/here/ |
| 08:08.54 | ghostcube | crashanddie: and dont alwas correct my english, or we can start talking german as i said weeks before |
| 08:09.03 | RST38h | Ahhaha: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/86/Autoconf.svg/220px-Autoconf.svg.png |
| 08:09.04 | Khertan | crashanddie, and there is an other german compositer that i hear often : l.v. beethoven |
| 08:09.35 | crashanddie | khertan? |
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| 08:09.40 | Khertan | Khertan, ? |
| 08:09.40 | crashanddie | and? |
| 08:09.51 | Khertan | you ask me my style :) |
| 08:09.56 | Khertan | you ask me my style of music:) |
| 08:10.00 | crashanddie | ah, you listen to him, k |
| 08:10.01 | Khertan | i answer you :) |
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| 08:10.26 | smaug____ | how do I change pin code in n900? |
| 08:10.36 | Khertan | roh mais ca va oui ! comme si je parlais l'anglais comme une vache espagnole ! |
| 08:10.39 | Papayawhip | settings |
| 08:10.39 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:10.46 | crashanddie | khertan, who's your favourite conductor |
| 08:10.52 | Khertan | smaug____, with the keyboard |
| 08:11.12 | crashanddie | khertan, tu te debrouilles tres bien, mais j'ai quand meme le droit de mal comprendre parfois :) |
| 08:11.28 | smaug____ | ah, found |
| 08:11.42 | crashanddie | ghostcube, whatev mate :) |
| 08:11.53 | ghostcube | ;) |
| 08:12.47 | crashanddie | ghostcube, again, it's really not about *you* making mistakes, it's about more about helping out than anything else. English isn't my native language either :) |
| 08:13.05 | ghostcube | i know about i just want to bother you a bit :P |
| 08:13.08 | ghostcube | after the first one |
| 08:13.11 | crashanddie | np |
| 08:13.24 | ghostcube | ok, but again to my cups problem |
| 08:13.27 | ghostcube | its strange one |
| 08:13.30 | Khertan | crashanddie, i listen often some from a small orchestra of a french small town where i learn piano. They have record some cd but aren't well know |
| 08:13.37 | ghostcube | maybe anyone a idea about it ? |
| 08:13.58 | crashanddie | khertan, did you hear about the MusOpen project? |
| 08:14.18 | Khertan | crashanddie, nope |
| 08:15.17 | crashanddie | it's a project to record public domain recordings of pieces that have been copyright-free for centuries |
| 08:15.58 | Khertan | oh nice |
| 08:16.13 | crashanddie | they managed to gather $68000 |
| 08:16.18 | crashanddie | in about 5 days |
| 08:16.37 | crashanddie | they were hoping for $11k, went a bit bigger than that |
| 08:16.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 08:19.35 | Khertan | crashanddie, what are this small local meego meeting ? |
| 08:20.05 | crashanddie | eh? |
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| 08:21.28 | Khertan | crashanddie, http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office/Marketing/Local_MeeGo_Networks |
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| 08:26.18 | crashanddie | no idae |
| 08:26.58 | Khertan | i just ask myself what there are talking about as there is nothing to see and nothing to talk |
| 08:26.59 | Khertan | :) |
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| 08:55.06 | Appiah | anyway to make the n900 act as a bluetooth headset? or atleast as a bluetooth speaker? |
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| 09:24.58 | b0unc3 | hello |
| 09:25.25 | b0unc3 | anyone know if is possible to listen on dbus for the notifications events ? |
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| 09:29.02 | secyritas | yes it is |
| 09:29.34 | secyritas | i believe you can find examples @ wiki |
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| 09:30.28 | b0unc3 | example on wiki shows only how to sends notifications.... |
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| 09:32.43 | Jaffa | re |
| 09:32.58 | jacekowski | b0unc3: use google |
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| 09:34.05 | b0unc3 | jacekowski, that's what I've done, before asking here |
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| 09:38.01 | lindi- | can anybody with chromium reproduce http://code.google.com/p/chromium/issues/detail?id=54556 for me? |
| 09:38.25 | lindi- | would be nice to know if it is a debian specific issue or a real upstream bug |
| 09:45.45 | lolloo | is the TeamViewer on N900? |
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| 09:49.16 | jacekowski | nope |
| 09:49.23 | admiral0 | hi |
| 09:52.01 | T-Co | lindi-, Not confirmed. I can see the maps |
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| 09:54.33 | lolloo | is the TeamViewer on N900? |
| 09:54.38 | lolloo | app |
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| 09:56.49 | lolloo | why isn't FLASH 10.1 on N900? |
| 09:57.20 | admiral0 | lolloo: ask adobe |
| 09:57.37 | alterego | lolloo: that's a pretty dumb question tbh, why do you think flash 10.1 isn't on the N900? |
| 09:57.46 | lolloo | it isn't |
| 09:58.07 | alterego | lrn2google |
| 09:58.23 | Papayawhip | looking for a cup of popcorn :) |
| 09:58.38 | admiral0 | too |
| 09:59.59 | lolloo | does firefox have flash plug-in for maemo? |
| 10:00.14 | lolloo | I hate flash 9 bad baaad |
| 10:00.38 | lolloo | when is flash 10.1 will come to maemo or linuks |
| 10:00.53 | admiral0 | lolloo: why do you hate flash 9? |
| 10:01.05 | Papayawhip | rofl |
| 10:01.20 | admiral0 | GNU/Linux has flash 10, but on desktop |
| 10:01.20 | satmd | has flash 10 beta, 64bits on his linux |
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| 10:01.37 | Corsac | with beta vulns too? |
| 10:01.47 | satmd | probably |
| 10:02.06 | admiral0 | Corsac: i see you prefer nspluginwrapper :) |
| 10:02.19 | satmd | has no multilib support :( |
| 10:02.21 | lolloo | what is Vulns? |
| 10:02.25 | satmd | so I only can use that one |
| 10:02.30 | satmd | short for vulnerability |
| 10:02.45 | admiral0 | satmd: what distro is that? |
| 10:02.57 | satmd | gentoo |
| 10:03.05 | Corsac | amigadave: I especially don't use flash |
| 10:03.09 | satmd | I decided for myself to go no-multilib, but... |
| 10:03.20 | satmd | I didn't expect flash to not be real 64bits yet |
| 10:03.42 | admiral0 | it was. then it stopped, now it's again 64 bits |
| 10:03.58 | satmd | there's another story about adobe |
| 10:04.00 | admiral0 | i'm waiting for lightspark |
| 10:04.08 | satmd | many of us probably remember the problems with non-ascii and spaces |
| 10:04.16 | satmd | and how they got rid of it in reader 9 |
| 10:04.28 | admiral0 | satmd: link? |
| 10:04.41 | satmd | well, the reason is... the api they've been using all that time... doesn't exist anymore so they had to move to unicode |
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| 10:05.05 | satmd | don't have one |
| 10:05.15 | satmd | found out firsthand |
| 10:06.12 | satmd | our company gets a lot of pdfs with russian file names |
| 10:06.19 | satmd | and I'm the one told to "fix it" |
| 10:06.21 | satmd | :/ |
| 10:06.30 | admiral0 | and you lol a lot, i presume |
| 10:06.51 | satmd | about some things, but most make me sad |
| 10:07.24 | satmd | mostly the stuff that is known for a loooong time and vendors still ignoring reality |
| 10:07.25 | admiral0 | likeusing reader while there are a lot of poppler-based open readers? |
| 10:08.02 | admiral0 | s/likeusing reader/like using adobe reader/ |
| 10:08.14 | admiral0 | infobot: <3 |
| 10:08.14 | infobot | I love you. <3 |
| 10:08.28 | satmd | that's only half of the truth |
| 10:08.52 | satmd | poppler itself is also having vulns regularily |
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| 10:09.15 | summel | is there an app/a command that can show me how full the battery is charged and how long it will take to be fully charged? |
| 10:09.24 | satmd | also, it doesn't do the propietary stuff we depend on :( |
| 10:09.37 | satmd | summel: advanced power |
| 10:09.45 | summel | satmd: the kernel? |
| 10:09.49 | satmd | no, the app |
| 10:09.56 | summel | *searches* |
| 10:09.57 | satmd | iirc in testing |
| 10:10.23 | summel | k |
| 10:10.38 | SpeedEvil | Well - sometimes you can convince devs to add functionality with cash. |
| 10:10.58 | admiral0 | yep, it's the way oss works actually |
| 10:11.11 | summel | SpeedEvil: tried that didnt work : |
| 10:11.12 | summel | :S |
| 10:12.24 | satmd | still is trying to convince his boss to go oss |
| 10:12.29 | satmd | mainly for security reasons |
| 10:12.37 | satmd | we work in research |
| 10:12.53 | satmd | and I actually do audit some of the code |
| 10:13.00 | summel | satmd: i installed it but it is only a "widget" in the status area dropdown` |
| 10:13.01 | summel | ? |
| 10:13.31 | satmd | summel: yes, but that dropdown will tell you how long the battery will hold enough power |
| 10:13.36 | summel | hm |
| 10:13.43 | satmd | or how long it'll charge |
| 10:13.53 | summel | it displays on that it is charging and then the infinity smybol :O |
| 10:14.00 | satmd | mhm |
| 10:14.01 | summel | i guess it shouldnt take THAT long |
| 10:14.02 | summel | :D |
| 10:14.12 | satmd | I thought it did calculate charge time, too |
| 10:14.13 | satmd | :( |
| 10:14.18 | summel | idk |
| 10:14.20 | summel | :/ |
| 10:14.24 | summel | but thanks anyways |
| 10:14.46 | satmd | is missing this feature, too |
| 10:15.03 | satmd | has a question himself |
| 10:15.14 | SpeedEvil | summel: do you understand what :(){ :|:& };: is? |
| 10:15.18 | satmd | what does it mean if my bug on b.m.o gets an alias of int-...? |
| 10:15.30 | satmd | smiley gangbang |
| 10:15.30 | Stskeeps | satmd: that someone takes it seriousy |
| 10:15.31 | satmd | runs |
| 10:15.32 | Stskeeps | l |
| 10:15.35 | satmd | Stskeeps: yay :D |
| 10:15.56 | summel | SpeedEvil: uhm regex? :o |
| 10:16.01 | satmd | hopefully they turn to me for more information or feedback, too :) |
| 10:16.34 | SpeedEvil | summel: Ok - not too stupid a wrong answer - there is a script that does it - but not a clean user solution. |
| 10:16.40 | Khertan | Stskeeps, i got an error with obs build that i didn't understand ... maybe you can help me :) : /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA: line 40: fg: no job control |
| 10:16.40 | Khertan | error: Bad exit status from /var/tmp/rpm-tmp.5b8jtA (%install) |
| 10:16.52 | SpeedEvil | summel: Do you have power kernel installed? |
| 10:16.54 | Khertan | https://build.obs.maemo.org/package/live_build_log?arch=i586&package=python-qt4&project=home%3Akhertan&repository=MeeGo_1.0_Core |
| 10:17.00 | summel | SpeedEvil: no |
| 10:17.08 | satmd | no job control. hmm. |
| 10:17.20 | Khertan | yep but what 's that ... |
| 10:17.22 | SpeedEvil | Ok - easy then - see http://qkwv.com/bat.jpg |
| 10:17.23 | satmd | if it were a desktop, I'd say... no real console |
| 10:17.24 | SpeedEvil | argh |
| 10:17.25 | SpeedEvil | not that |
| 10:17.28 | summel | do i just install it from the app manager or do i have to do some work? |
| 10:17.30 | SpeedEvil | stupid autocomplte |
| 10:17.36 | summel | omg |
| 10:17.37 | summel | :D |
| 10:17.39 | Khertan | SpeedEvil, lol |
| 10:17.42 | satmd | lol. |
| 10:18.18 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mauve.plus.com/bat.tar.gz |
| 10:18.25 | satmd | has ONE question less to ask :D |
| 10:18.38 | SpeedEvil | This is a script made by ShadowJ - it polls the battery meter. |
| 10:18.39 | admiral0 | does anybody know if there is a easy way to build cmake projects with nokia sdk? |
| 10:19.01 | summel | SpeedEvil: thx i try |
| 10:19.08 | summel | it does only work with the power kernel= |
| 10:19.09 | summel | ? |
| 10:19.20 | admiral0 | the hard way is to write nokiasdk.cmake |
| 10:19.26 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption - http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 10:19.33 | SpeedEvil | summelno - only works without |
| 10:19.59 | SpeedEvil | bin/bq27200.sh 20 LOOPMODE=20 mv RSOC CSOC mA NAC CACD CACT TTF TTE TEMP EDV1 LOW 18:36 4092 100 100 -134 1187 1187 1187 65535 530 37 0 |
| 10:20.08 | SpeedEvil | argh - see the above wiki page |
| 10:20.16 | admiral0 | power kernel=awesome |
| 10:20.19 | SpeedEvil | anyway - the TTF field is time till full. |
| 10:20.27 | SpeedEvil | It isn't very accurate. |
| 10:20.41 | SpeedEvil | RSOC is % ull |
| 10:20.44 | SpeedEvil | full |
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| 10:22.01 | flux | is there any bq27200-based battery widget out there? |
| 10:22.38 | summel | ah ok |
| 10:23.07 | summel | oO more then 8 hours? |
| 10:23.08 | summel | :S |
| 10:24.14 | admiral0 | satmd: http://blog.admiral0.org/2010/09/bot-love/ you ended here |
| 10:24.49 | SpeedEvil | summel: what's the percentage charge? |
| 10:24.55 | summel | 15 |
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| 10:24.59 | SpeedEvil | Oh - that's in minutes |
| 10:25.05 | SpeedEvil | time till full |
| 10:25.11 | summel | :O |
| 10:25.14 | summel | yes |
| 10:25.22 | summel | oh |
| 10:25.25 | summel | ah |
| 10:25.26 | summel | yes |
| 10:25.28 | summel | it says |
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| 10:25.43 | summel | TTF 469 minutes |
| 10:25.44 | summel | :O |
| 10:25.44 | summel | 496 |
| 10:25.59 | SpeedEvil | right - what's it plugged into? |
| 10:26.08 | SpeedEvil | And is it doing anything |
| 10:26.48 | kerio | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html fuck yea |
| 10:27.02 | summel | SpeedEvil: my macbook |
| 10:27.08 | summel | and no just running the terminal app |
| 10:27.12 | summel | not even wifi enabled |
| 10:27.35 | SpeedEvil | ah - if the screen is bright - turn it down to minimum |
| 10:27.40 | SpeedEvil | Or lock it. |
| 10:27.50 | SpeedEvil | then unlock it, and re-look at xterm 30s later |
| 10:28.15 | summel | k |
| 10:29.09 | summel | still over 4 hours atm |
| 10:29.12 | summel | but better |
| 10:29.30 | SpeedEvil | What is the reported charge current? |
| 10:29.46 | SpeedEvil | mA |
| 10:29.52 | SpeedEvil | When 4h is reported |
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| 10:30.34 | summel | 240 ? |
| 10:30.48 | summel | with 4.8 hours |
| 10:30.55 | SpeedEvil | That's a bit low. for 15% charge |
| 10:31.02 | SpeedEvil | With screen blanked? |
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| 10:32.56 | summel | yes |
| 10:33.04 | summel | ill check again in a few minutes |
| 10:33.18 | summel | or maybe i looked at the wrong numbers :D |
| 10:34.01 | summel | 318 |
| 10:34.07 | summel | hm no |
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| 10:34.18 | summel | NAC is 259 mAh |
| 10:34.25 | summel | CACD is 259 |
| 10:34.26 | SpeedEvil | tha'ts current capacity |
| 10:34.30 | summel | and CACT also |
| 10:34.32 | SpeedEvil | 259mAh |
| 10:34.39 | SpeedEvil | It can provide 259mA for 1h |
| 10:34.55 | SpeedEvil | The charger will charge it much faster. |
| 10:35.10 | summel | yes but i left it at home :( |
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| 10:51.53 | DocScrutinizer | usb host can provide no more than 500mA. Now if your system is running some heavy computing tasks (check system load, htop), or any of the power hogs like display backlight, GSM TX, gfy accel, is active then the system will bite out a huge chunk of that 500mA available, so charging current goes way down to 350, 300, 250 |
| 10:52.43 | summel | DocScrutinizer: as i said... im charging using the usb port on my laptop |
| 10:52.48 | DocScrutinizer | actually the system in some situations can consume even more power than usb host can deliver, so despite hoked up to a usb host the batery gets discharged |
| 10:53.06 | DocScrutinizer | summel: that's why I'm writing this :-D |
| 10:53.17 | summel | ah :D |
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| 11:04.12 | ghostcube | hmm anyone having cupsd running on N900 and maybe can help me with my cupsd not starting right problem? |
| 11:04.29 | lolloo | vnc lets you control ur pc |
| 11:05.08 | merlin1991 | sometimes I have the feeling lolloo is a bot |
| 11:07.15 | BCMM | lolloo: wrong channel? or am i missing something? |
| 11:07.43 | lolloo | VNC is in repo for N900 |
| 11:07.47 | lolloo | check it out |
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| 11:09.33 | BCMM | oh, it actually wasn't meant to be a response to anything |
| 11:09.44 | BCMM | VNC is pretty well known, i'd've thought |
| 11:09.52 | BCMM | but yeah, it's cool |
| 11:09.57 | BCMM | i have the client and server installed |
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| 11:11.10 | BCMM | y'know, you can pay money to buy a VNC client for the iphone that costs money |
| 11:11.34 | ghostcube | hmmm who needs an iphone o.O |
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| 11:15.17 | BCMM | ghostcube: i can only conclude that stuff costing money is a feature |
| 11:15.19 | pexi | ghostcube, it might be the best handheld gaming device atm :) |
| 11:15.32 | BCMM | pexi: the iphone has emulators? |
| 11:15.48 | ghostcube | pexi: ok thats right :D |
| 11:16.50 | pexi | BCMM, you actually play with n900? |
| 11:17.06 | BCMM | meh, not a great deal; i have a desktop |
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| 11:17.46 | pexi | i have tried with different emus and stuff, but the experience is so.. well you can guess :) |
| 11:18.06 | ghostcube | this new 3d engine coming for ios4 is well done |
| 11:18.11 | ghostcube | the demo looks cool |
| 11:18.18 | pexi | actually dune2 almost burnt my leg.. gladly the phone did also survive :) |
| 11:18.29 | Termana | ghostcube, the id software one? |
| 11:18.29 | korhojoa | haha |
| 11:18.48 | ghostcube | woah no idea i read about in c't |
| 11:18.55 | summel | yes unreal engine |
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| 11:23.35 | DocScrutinizer | FYI (hostmode) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 |
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| 11:28.04 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: fuckin' awesome |
| 11:28.28 | DocScrutinizer | mmmh? |
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| 11:28.55 | kerio | the hostmode thingy :)= |
| 11:28.59 | kerio | er, :) |
| 11:29.38 | DocScrutinizer | hostmode is awesome, the post however has few awesome details. Best in it is first & 2nd line |
| 11:30.15 | kerio | well, i don't know those people |
| 11:30.22 | hrw | hi |
| 11:30.26 | kerio | but if they're good hackers, it's only good for the n900 |
| 11:30.36 | DocScrutinizer | yes, exactly |
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| 11:38.41 | RST38h | hehe |
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| 11:44.45 | max__ | how can i make the xterm beep on an N900 |
| 11:44.47 | max__ | ? |
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| 11:47.43 | SpeedEvil | play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav |
| 11:48.00 | Hedman | o_o |
| 11:48.04 | max__ | ;) |
| 11:48.17 | max__ | i mean the echo -e "\a" |
| 11:48.25 | max__ | is not working |
| 11:49.55 | SpeedEvil | I know. |
| 11:49.59 | SpeedEvil | I don't thnk it does |
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| 11:52.36 | DocScrutinizer | max__: toldya, you're out of luck. Actually toldya twice |
| 11:54.11 | DocScrutinizer | on desktop consoles rely on root console to output their beep via IO there. desktop xterm is using whatever audio device is configured. maemo xterm seems doesn't support it |
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| 11:54.42 | max__ | so that perl hook with irssi will help mybe |
| 11:55.32 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/osso-xterm - laims that there is a source package |
| 11:56.06 | Stskeeps | there is |
| 11:56.08 | Stskeeps | it's oss |
| 11:56.11 | Stskeeps | libvte and osso-xterm |
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| 12:08.02 | psycho_oreos | Any of you guys played with matan's 9 desktop hack along with desktop activity manager? |
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| 12:09.20 | Corsac | ? |
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| 12:10.31 | psycho_oreos | Corsac, you do? ever found out the magic number for how long it will take for the varied background pics to be changed as per various theme setup? |
| 12:11.06 | Corsac | psycho_oreos: I didn't, I don't even know what it is :) |
| 12:12.15 | superchode | greetings, gents. |
| 12:12.18 | psycho_oreos | Corsac, ahh, matan's 9 desktop hack isn't new and it isn't well supported, by default n900 gives you 4 desktops, matan's hack gives you up to 9.. and then there's desktop activity manager which can change user's backgrounds/shortcuts/widget's placement with a few clicks |
| 12:12.25 | superchode | are any of you fine fellows using shortcutd? |
| 12:12.37 | psycho_oreos | I use but not much, why? |
| 12:13.04 | superchode | was hoping i could use it to answer a phone call via a physical button, but i'm not having much luck |
| 12:13.44 | superchode | using the dbus script, but i'm not sure if maybe there's an incompatibility with the 1.2 firmware... or why it wouldn't work |
| 12:14.37 | psycho_oreos | wait, you mean kinda like speed dial but attached to a physical button? |
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| 12:15.37 | superchode | no, when a call comes in, i want to answer it via a physical button. my only real problem with the phone is accidentally hanging up on people in the process of getting the phone out of my pocket and hitting the 'answer' button |
| 12:16.17 | superchode | and there doesn't seem to be a GUI solution coming, ie. a slider to replace the buttons on the screen |
| 12:16.50 | ghostcube | is there a reason dpkg cant do reconfigure? |
| 12:16.59 | psycho_oreos | ahh I haven't tried that, my solution was having one of those phone holders that strap onto yer belt and/or using bluetooth headset |
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| 12:18.24 | MohammadAG | hostmode prealpha now out, looking forward to hearing feedback from non-noobs (sorry :P) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824298#post824298 |
| 12:18.28 | superchode | gah. neither of those is going to work for me. going to try switching cases, but i imagine i'm still going to have a lot of problems when the phone's in my pocket. not sure why a slider solution can't be made available. |
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| 12:19.11 | ghostcube | hmmm definetly dpkg on N900 is missing reconfigure |
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| 12:20.04 | psycho_oreos | ghostcube, you maybe able to add that option if you get dpkg-dev version from scratchbox (do note that the pre-packed stuff for scratchbox aren't meant to be used on n900 but you can only if you wanted to) |
| 12:20.22 | pigeon | where is the kernel crash log on the n900? |
| 12:20.38 | ghostcube | psycho_oreos: i want to try reconfiguring my cupsd :) so it works again |
| 12:20.50 | ghostcube | after installation of power kernel it stoped for a reason |
| 12:20.57 | psycho_oreos | superchode, I guess part of the issue is that n900 wasn't meant to function as a proper phone.. it was released as an internet tablet with phone functionality hooked on... there's lots of other issues with n900 |
| 12:21.15 | pigeon | i'm getting at least one kernel crash per day lately :\ |
| 12:21.22 | visz | i never answer calls with my n900 |
| 12:21.32 | psycho_oreos | ghostcube, heh normally a log somewhere would help.. maybe in /var/log/ |
| 12:21.33 | visz | i have another phone for that |
| 12:21.54 | ghostcube | yeah i installed sysklogd for this and found out its an cupsd.conf porblem |
| 12:22.11 | ghostcube | after setting one i found cups/error_log claiming about an mailformed cupsd.conf |
| 12:22.21 | ghostcube | but i never had one :) |
| 12:22.27 | pigeon | yeah, nothing really useful in /var/log/ |
| 12:22.37 | Termana | psycho_oreos, or, more likely, someone was just incompetent and didnt realise that a resistive screen would mean people would accidently answer it thanks to pressure |
| 12:22.42 | ghostcube | pigeon: sysklogd is starting syslog |
| 12:22.49 | psycho_oreos | ghostcube, probably you might need to make one I suppose lol |
| 12:23.02 | kerio | Termana: or the n900 is not a phone ;) |
| 12:23.05 | superchode | psycho_oreos: yeah, the 'not-a-phone' thing doesn't really carry much water |
| 12:23.08 | ghostcube | psycho_oreos: lol i have but now the cups page only shows source code in html |
| 12:23.08 | psycho_oreos | pigeon, no, by default there's no kernel log.. though installing syslog may help |
| 12:23.11 | ghostcube | no real page :D |
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| 12:23.22 | superchode | just put a slider on there. or, when you realize there's a problem, add a slider then |
| 12:23.40 | psycho_oreos | Termana, I'd still say n900 is released as a premature baby :) |
| 12:24.09 | superchode | the phone functionality is just fine... other than the fact i keep hanging up on people accidentally |
| 12:24.11 | psycho_oreos | ghostcube, lol well I dunno, I hardly ever bothered with cupsd let alone fiddling it on me n900 |
| 12:24.27 | ghostcube | maybe i ask in cups hmm |
| 12:24.37 | kerio | cups is huge |
| 12:24.39 | Termana | I hate to tell everyone that trys to say its not a phone - that is the worst excuse ever. Nokia sell it as a phone. It is even on some (non-US) carriers subsidized. |
| 12:24.49 | kerio | why would you install it on the n900 |
| 12:25.01 | kerio | host mode doesn't even work |
| 12:25.01 | superchode | i bought it subsidized here in the netherlands. one year plan |
| 12:25.09 | superchode | it's a phone! |
| 12:25.20 | SpeedEvil | blutooth |
| 12:25.25 | SpeedEvil | bluetooth printers exist |
| 12:25.30 | SpeedEvil | as indeed to wlan printers |
| 12:25.35 | SpeedEvil | and other networked forms |
| 12:26.04 | kerio | why would you need cups for a network printer |
| 12:26.12 | kerio | it probably *has* cups |
| 12:26.13 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 12:26.22 | psycho_oreos | here we go again about n900 not being a phone -_-' |
| 12:26.28 | psycho_oreos | senseless and moot topic |
| 12:26.38 | kerio | fine, it's a crappy phone |
| 12:26.47 | kerio | happy? |
| 12:26.57 | jpinx-eeepc | kerio: define crappy |
| 12:26.58 | ghostcube | kerio: printer is not with cups i want to get an wlan printserver to work on my n900 |
| 12:27.09 | ghostcube | *with |
| 12:27.13 | superchode | i'd say it's a great smartphone. except i keep hanging up on people accidentally! |
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| 12:27.33 | psycho_oreos | its not a crappy phone, it was premature because nokia didn't want to spend too much time on potentially what would have been dubbed as vapourware I suppose |
| 12:27.52 | kerio | jpinx-eeepc: low battery life for a phone, weird sound system, clumsy and unintuitive ui |
| 12:27.56 | kerio | (for a phone) |
| 12:28.01 | psycho_oreos | I use n900 as a phone (main phone) but I still have my aging n95-1 as backup |
| 12:28.02 | ghostcube | exact for a phone |
| 12:28.10 | alterego | I think I'll look and see how awful this looks in IE |
| 12:28.14 | superchode | i came from an iphone, and the n900 provides, for me, a better experience |
| 12:28.14 | ghostcube | never was the attention of the N900 to be an only use for call phone |
| 12:28.18 | Termana | kerio, no one said it was crappy phone. Nor that it was a crappy product. Simply that saying it isn't a phone is not an excuse |
| 12:28.44 | jpinx-eeepc | kerio: interesting - 'cos I went from a Nokie 6310i to a n900 . never had any other smart phone, and I found it eay to use |
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| 12:29.20 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: I'd agree - my gf has an iPhone and it's crap by comparison |
| 12:29.35 | superchode | now, if i could stop hanging up on people, i'd be all set |
| 12:29.37 | kerio | jpinx-eeepc: heh, the fact that maemo is better than symbian or iOS is not arguable imo |
| 12:29.44 | kerio | :) |
| 12:29.44 | psycho_oreos | well the n900 wasn't to function purely as a phone but because it has phone capabilities people just dubbed it as a phone rather than internet tablet with phone functionality for simplistic sake |
| 12:30.02 | crashanddie | yeah... right |
| 12:30.57 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: how do you do that? |
| 12:31.08 | superchode | hang up on people? |
| 12:31.11 | jpinx-eeepc | yea |
| 12:31.24 | superchode | it generally happens as i pull the phone out of my pocket |
| 12:31.41 | ShadowJK | My previous phone had less battery life than N900 - when doing the same thing as I do on N900. :) |
| 12:31.58 | kerio | using your hands is overrated - buy a BT headset ;) |
| 12:32.18 | Termana | :P |
| 12:32.20 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: ah . set the screen to be off, use the slidy switch to activate, and keep turning activation off for the phone function - it's a real pita |
| 12:32.45 | superchode | even if you lock the screen, an incoming call will unlock it |
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| 12:33.07 | superchode | or are you saying there's a way around that? |
| 12:33.16 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: ok - can't say I've noticed that, but I'll wqtch for it ;) |
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| 12:34.08 | superchode | a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously. i'm not sure if that's possible from anyone other than nokia, though |
| 12:34.39 | psycho_oreos | nokia probably can but they're too busy on their new project now.. meego |
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| 12:35.08 | superchode | going to try an invisible shield instead of the wrap-around case i use now... see if that helps |
| 12:35.32 | superchode | a bit frustrating that the simple/logical solution isn't implemented or going to be, though |
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| 12:37.10 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: I'll have a rummage through settings/configs later - remind me tomorrow maybe ;) |
| 12:37.31 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, no source? ;) |
| 12:37.47 | superchode | alright. i had a go, but i'm not an expert (only had the phone for a month or so). couldn't get the screen lock to stay active when a call was coming in |
| 12:38.22 | jpinx-eeepc | superchode: I agree - it should ring only if you want |
| 12:38.40 | jpinx-eeepc | and the little indicator light come on |
| 12:38.49 | jpinx-eeepc | but not the whole screen |
| 12:39.55 | superchode | they seem to be relying on the proximity sensor, but that doesn't provide any sort of reliability |
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| 12:40.36 | jpinx-eeepc | it's obviously not doing it's thing if yours is in a case and still comes on |
| 12:41.23 | superchode | was trying to setup shortcutd so that i could answer the call while the phone's still in my pocket, via a physical button, and then take it out |
| 12:41.56 | superchode | i use the phone for work... can't really be hanging up on people all the time. |
| 12:42.05 | jpinx-eeepc | hell no ..... |
| 12:42.23 | jpinx-eeepc | I'll take a look later.... food now... |
| 12:42.28 | superchode | heh. thanks. |
| 12:44.08 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG, nevermind, I found patches :) |
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| 12:49.11 | DocScrutinizer | (<superchode> a slide to answer or reject on the phone GUI would fix it, obviously) My suggestion since months |
| 12:50.09 | DocScrutinizer | the idea was along tweaking some gtk/qt lib.so that provide the buttons, to have a special button on this special location |
| 12:50.33 | DocScrutinizer | maybe using ldpreload. Or even hard patching the dialer binary |
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| 12:52.47 | superchode | looking at the maemo forums, this solution is pretty well documented, as an idea. but there doesn't seem to be any developed that can be thrown on the phone to address it |
| 12:53.02 | superchode | any app or hack, i mean |
| 12:53.24 | DocScrutinizer | none I heard of, yeah |
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| 12:54.22 | DocScrutinizer | I'm also constantly pissed of the proximity of accept and reject button, and the poor usability wrt accidentally hitting any of those buttons |
| 12:54.36 | superchode | yeah, it sucks, frankly |
| 12:55.16 | superchode | funny thing is that i don't really have any other complaints with the phone functionality. it's a good phone, with a shitty interface when a call comes in |
| 12:56.01 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, since *# basic phone functions are quite good |
| 12:56.39 | DocScrutinizer | ;-D |
| 12:56.55 | lolloo | change the theme |
| 12:57.06 | lolloo | for your phone it helped me |
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| 12:57.33 | superchode | do you have a specific suggestion as to a theme that helps with the call answer interface? |
| 12:57.40 | RST38h | Doc: According to the worldwide blogging masses, "this feature is still missing from N900" though =) |
| 12:57.44 | lolloo | yes I do |
| 12:57.51 | superchode | i don't suppose there's any with a slider |
| 12:58.13 | lolloo | try okuda theme |
| 12:58.16 | superchode | k |
| 12:58.56 | ghostcube | isnt okuda the one with the strange sounds? |
| 12:58.59 | ghostcube | the star trek theme? |
| 12:59.04 | superchode | ah! |
| 12:59.20 | lolloo | maybe |
| 12:59.27 | superchode | it's a trap! |
| 12:59.29 | lolloo | but the theme is faaaast |
| 12:59.32 | lolloo | hahaha |
| 12:59.35 | ghostcube | and ugly as hell |
| 12:59.37 | ghostcube | o.O |
| 12:59.50 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: who cares about blogosphere? |
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| 13:00.26 | DocScrutinizer | feels like a weird hostile parallel universe to me |
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| 13:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | ghostcube: tbh the term "ugly as hell" has lost its meaning to me, during the last ~3 years |
| 13:02.26 | superchode | yeah. this looks a bit funny. we'll have to see if it helps on the call answer interface. |
| 13:02.37 | DocScrutinizer | sometimes I think hell has to be a nice cosy place compared to some other shit |
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| 13:03.11 | superchode | waits for a phone call |
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| 13:03.57 | FireStorm| | frals? |
| 13:05.28 | ghostcube | DocScrutinizer: hrhr |
| 13:05.32 | lolloo | hahaha @ superchode |
| 13:05.42 | lolloo | want me to call ya? |
| 13:05.52 | superchode | it does look a bit like someone barfed inside the phone... hopefully it's worth it |
| 13:05.57 | lolloo | hahaha |
| 13:06.11 | ghostcube | superchode: you installed the sounds too? |
| 13:06.14 | superchode | no |
| 13:06.17 | ghostcube | this will drive u nuts |
| 13:06.21 | lolloo | I like it cause it's dark and doesnt hurt my eyes |
| 13:06.21 | ghostcube | oh ok :D |
| 13:06.34 | superchode | the default theme is dark as well |
| 13:06.42 | ghostcube | i run the andoroid theme |
| 13:06.44 | ghostcube | works fine |
| 13:07.05 | superchode | i didn't realize it was possible to change the call answer screen layout via a theme |
| 13:07.16 | superchode | is there any way to see what people have done with it? |
| 13:07.24 | lolloo | yes it's faster with this theme |
| 13:07.39 | superchode | but still laid out in the exact same way? |
| 13:07.40 | lolloo | and always check with always rotate |
| 13:07.46 | lolloo | when incoming call |
| 13:07.54 | lolloo | you can find it in menu |
| 13:08.19 | superchode | if the 'answer' button was above the 'reject' button, i'd accidentally answer the phone instead of accidentally hanging up. |
| 13:08.23 | superchode | that would be more convenient |
| 13:08.34 | FireStorm| | does fmms only work over 3G? or can you use it via wireless? |
| 13:08.36 | PhonicUK | ping |
| 13:08.50 | FireStorm| | pong |
| 13:08.56 | jd | FireFly|n900, fmms works over GSM here |
| 13:08.58 | jd | not wifi |
| 13:09.02 | FireStorm| | hmm |
| 13:09.03 | FireStorm| | thought so |
| 13:09.04 | jd | but GPRS/MMS makes it work |
| 13:09.09 | FireStorm| | bloody t mobile |
| 13:09.20 | jd | i never tried it on 3g because i don't have any signal here |
| 13:10.01 | FireStorm| | hmm ty :) |
| 13:10.08 | FireStorm| | time to spank t mobile |
| 13:10.19 | ShadowJK | Usually the mms servers aren't accessible from the internet |
| 13:10.54 | FireStorm| | ShadowJK thats what i thought. But thought i would ask :0 |
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| 13:12.48 | frals | FireStorm|: ? |
| 13:12.59 | FireStorm| | it's ok they answered quesition :) |
| 13:13.03 | frals | ok |
| 13:13.44 | superchode | ok, that's what i thought. the call answer interface is exactly the same, just in a different colour. a theme doesn't seem to be the solution. plus the screens are way more sluggish now. |
| 13:16.30 | summel | ShadowJK: wouldnt that mean that i would have to pay for reading an mms? |
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| 13:19.47 | lcuk | eep thunderstorm |
| 13:20.09 | superchode | even just 'hot-wiring' the default call answer GUI to switch the functionality of the answer and reject buttons would be a solution for me... |
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| 13:29.31 | ramz | Hi..I am not able to display words(Indian language support) on Qt simulator ..need help.. :( |
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| 13:30.48 | crashanddie | Hi, I have a car running Maemo 6, quad core 1200cc petrol injection engine, but the wheels are not connected to the car ... need help... :( |
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| 13:31.36 | lcuk | crashanddie, yo purchased a flying car, it has no wheels |
| 13:32.28 | crashanddie | but I paid 2000 extra per wheel for the titanium/carbon fibre rims! They sent 12 of them! |
| 13:33.01 | ramz | is any one here for help.. |
| 13:33.31 | crashanddie | ramz, you might have more luck in #qt |
| 13:37.36 | Khertan | lol |
| 13:39.43 | jpinx-eeepc | sends crashanddie a parachute and a lollipop |
| 13:40.11 | ieatlint | yeah, good luck, maemo in a car sounds dangerous :P |
| 13:40.46 | lcuk | ieatlint, maemo was in cars before :) |
| 13:40.52 | lcuk | the n810 mapping tool was awesome |
| 13:40.58 | Khertan | ieatlint, i already have maemo in my car |
| 13:41.11 | Khertan | directly connected the calculator engine |
| 13:43.15 | ieatlint | good maps on maemo? i don't believe it |
| 13:44.11 | ieatlint | i did notice someone made an app for the n900 to connect to one of the OBD-II bluetooth dongles |
| 13:44.27 | ieatlint | am tempted to buy one of the dongles now |
| 13:45.40 | ghostcube | obdII in general is ok for bigger probs a no go |
| 13:45.55 | ieatlint | actually a mapping program that also used the car's onboard computer to help generate stats |
| 13:46.01 | ieatlint | would be awesome |
| 13:46.26 | ieatlint | i'd love to have a track log giving gps coords, speed, gear, rpms and fuel consumption |
| 13:47.11 | kfx | ieatlint: there was a program on maemo 4 that did all that |
| 13:47.36 | kfx | http://openbossa.indt.org/carman/ |
| 13:47.37 | ieatlint | yeah, stupid simple i guess |
| 13:47.46 | ieatlint | just polling data, no calculation even |
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| 13:50.14 | kwtm | Hi. What's a good program for maemo5 that lets me browse the dbus, see what signals are available, etc.? Equivalent of qdbus on KDE? Someone mentioned one, called mdbusviewer or something like that? |
| 13:51.17 | MNZ | kwtm, mdbus2 and the standard dbus-monitor tool are 2 utils I know of |
| 13:52.24 | kwtm | MNZ: Thanks, will try mdbus2 (if I recall, dbus-monitor requires a bit more work, e.g. need to already know what programs have hooked up to the dbus or something --can't remmeber.) |
| 13:52.37 | gomiam | :D |
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| 13:53.40 | MNZ | kwtm, yeah it's more raw and it basically dumps everything that's being sent |
| 13:53.57 | MNZ | I have not found a way to find out which program is listening for which signal though |
| 13:54.25 | MNZ | and according to #dbus, that's not possible at all unless you listen to the program's library calls to libdbus to see what it hooks to |
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| 13:55.30 | Khertan | ieatlint, my car use a proprietary like odb connector so i do it my self and use some python script to communicate |
| 13:56.12 | Khertan | the script was mainly a fork of the project that was using odb2 on diablo |
| 13:56.42 | Khertan | kwtm, d-feet is useless |
| 13:57.32 | Khertan | MNZ, hum i ll try maybe it ll help me to find my dbus notification pb on khweeteur :) |
| 13:58.32 | MNZ | Khertan, I gave it quick try with gdb but didn't bother to investigate further, mainly because I have close to 0 knowledge of dbus |
| 13:58.39 | Khertan | MNZ, mdbus2 is available in the repository ? |
| 13:59.00 | MNZ | yes it is |
| 13:59.04 | Khertan | hum |
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| 13:59.20 | MNZ | extras-devel |
| 13:59.33 | Khertan | hum ... so refresh |
| 13:59.34 | Khertan | :) |
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| 14:04.16 | Khertan | found :) |
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| 14:05.05 | Khertan | should stop to do so many things at the same time |
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| 14:05.45 | kwtm | I found an up-to-date version on extras-testing, same as on extras- devel, so I'll pull it frmo there. |
| 14:06.37 | kwtm | That way in case I accidentally update anything ("hey! THere's a new update to the Linux kernel available!") at least I'll have pulled from extras-testing and not extras-devel. Just as a safer habit. |
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| 14:07.51 | Khertan | i keep the habbit to use apt, and extras-devel activated all time :) |
| 14:08.00 | Khertan | just to test my own package |
| 14:08.01 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:08.11 | kwtm | curious: why is d-feet useless, Khertan? Just that it is not yet mature and does not have many features? Or is it actually buggy? |
| 14:08.27 | kwtm | Khertan: You use apt with su? Or sudo? |
| 14:08.41 | Khertan | d-feet is useless for debugging purpose :) |
| 14:09.04 | Khertan | kwtm, i change user for root |
| 14:09.11 | Khertan | so mainly : su root :) |
| 14:10.06 | kwtm | Okay. I'm basically looking for the signal that switches the N900 to silent profile. Clearly, alsamixer is not the way to go: even if I set volume to zero, some other app comes in, ignores the volume setting, and sets of all sorts of beeping and dinging, and when I check alsamixer, volume is still zero., |
| 14:10.34 | kwtm | I tried TimedSilencer, but basically I need a button that says, "Turn off sound for the next 60 minutes then turn it back on." |
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| 14:11.36 | MNZ | kwtm, the silent profile doesn't help? |
| 14:12.27 | kwtm | MNZ: Yes, I want to use the silent profile, but want to automate it in that: 1) too many button clicks to turn on the silent profile, and 2) it doesn't switch back to general profile automatically after 1 hour. |
| 14:12.47 | kwtm | MNZ: Is there a CLI command for "use silent profile"? |
| 14:13.08 | MNZ | no idea |
| 14:13.59 | Khertan | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"silent" |
| 14:14.06 | Khertan | dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.profiled /com/nokia/profiled com.nokia.profiled.set_profile string:"general" |
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| 14:14.38 | kwtm | Khertan: Aha! It *was* a dbus signal! Thanks. That's what I wanted to catch on the N900. Thanks for saving me the trouble. |
| 14:15.27 | Khertan | some other interesting signal was in the maemo wiki : http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control |
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| 14:20.57 | kwtm | wow, thanks, Khertan. Yay! Now I can control the phone from the command-line and not have to rely on that stupid Nokia GUI. |
| 14:21.09 | Khertan | :) |
| 14:21.25 | kwtm | It takes, like, 2 seconds for the phone GUI to respond to my taps, and half the time I miss the calls. |
| 14:21.48 | kwtm | I think it's looking up the contacts database. That thing has got to be the slowest phone database existent. |
| 14:21.49 | Khertan | ouch ... not normal |
| 14:22.20 | Khertan | didn't have such problem |
| 14:22.26 | kwtm | I call up the contact list and press "A", and the N900 goes, "uhh.... duhh.... ooookay, now looking for contacts containing 'A'. Please wait 4-6 weeks for processing...." |
| 14:22.38 | Khertan | instant for me :) |
| 14:22.46 | kwtm | Apparently I have more contacts than other people. :P |
| 14:22.54 | Khertan | but how many contacts did you have ? |
| 14:22.58 | BugBlauw | >> 1000 ? |
| 14:23.05 | Khertan | more than 10 000 ? |
| 14:23.11 | kwtm | Khertan: Did you ever have problems importing your contacts? Apparently it only imports 1000 contacts at a time. |
| 14:23.18 | kwtm | I currently have something like 2500 contacts. |
| 14:23.44 | BugBlauw | I have only 1800, but is fast |
| 14:23.44 | Khertan | kwtm, nope didn't have any problems importing them |
| 14:23.44 | kwtm | Which I think is perfectly reasonable, given how long I have been building up this contact database. |
| 14:23.52 | Khertan | arround 2000 and it s really fast |
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| 14:24.25 | kwtm | BugBlauw: Maybe it's something else slowing down the N900 --I saw in some forum that there was something I coujld do to make the N900 fast again (it gradually started slowing down). Already tried rebooting. |
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| 14:27.19 | kwtm | Anyway, thanks for info --will try the dbus signals listed on the web page. |
| 14:27.27 | kwtm | Be back later! |
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| 14:54.50 | Termana | Not sure if everyone saw - but the N900 made it into the final on the fonearena Smartphone Championship :P |
| 14:55.02 | Termana | We beat the Pre! :P |
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| 14:58.00 | superchode | ok. swapped out the wrap-around leather case for an invisible shield. we'll see if that makes the phone less prone to accidental hang-ups |
| 14:58.03 | SpeedEvil | I voted. |
| 14:58.05 | SpeedEvil | Twice. |
| 14:58.06 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 14:58.53 | kwtm | Termana: "We beat the Pre." No longer up to date on Palm now, but isn't the Pre obsolete? As in, "Darnit, we tried to boost sales by making the Pre 'open-source', but that fell flat, so now let's do the Palm Pixi!" |
| 14:59.31 | Termana | kwtm, no? |
| 14:59.42 | kwtm | Termana: Okay. So Pre is still supported? |
| 14:59.49 | Termana | The Pixi is the same OS anyway |
| 14:59.52 | Termana | kwtm, yes |
| 14:59.53 | asedeno_work | weeps for the PrÄ. |
| 14:59.59 | Corsac | isn't the n900 obsolete too? |
| 15:00.09 | Termana | Plus, the Pre has better hardware than the Pixi |
| 15:00.11 | superchode | i see the iphone pulled the droid first round and lost |
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| 15:01.00 | Termana | The Pixi is an old MSM7xxx chipset (7xxx nor the QSD with Snapdragon or MSM8xxx with Snapdragon) vs the Pre's OMAP3430 |
| 15:01.05 | superchode | doesn't negate the fact that i've only seen a few droids actually in people's hands here, and every 2nd person has an iphone |
| 15:01.11 | Termana | not the* |
| 15:01.47 | kwtm | Corsac: :) Yeah, pretty much --if it weren't the only smartphone available that lets me use it like my laptop, I'd switch! (I hear Samsung is coming out with something...) |
| 15:02.08 | kwtm | Where should I look for news on the Smartphone Championship? |
| 15:02.37 | kwtm | superchode: It merely makes the iPhone a commodity and the others (like N900) attention-getters. :) |
| 15:03.13 | kwtm | Termana: Do the Pre or Pixi have shell access? I hear it's just like Droid in that the OS runs on top of Linux but otherwise shell scripts are uselless, you don't get Python, etc. etc. |
| 15:03.15 | crashanddie | wow |
| 15:03.22 | crashanddie | kwtm, which century do you live in? |
| 15:03.34 | Termana | kwtm, fonearena.com - the latest article on it is here: http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23287/smatphone-championship-semi-final-xperia-x10-vs-samsung-galaxy-s-nokia-n900-beats-palm-pre.html |
| 15:04.40 | ghostcube | samsung with bada os? |
| 15:04.57 | Termana | kwtm, no, webOS runs a generally normal linux stack, except it doesn't seem to use Xorg IIRC, but you can install xorg. |
| 15:05.52 | Termana | And apps are SUPPOSE to be written in Javascript/HTML - but I think they have a native access layer, but if you root it you can install native apps anyway |
| 15:06.30 | dneary | Hi all! |
| 15:06.43 | Termana | hello dneary |
| 15:06.44 | dneary | I've been in meetings all day, but I just got time to generate election results |
| 15:06.45 | kwtm | ghostcube: No, some guy named "raster" said that Samsung's coming out with something that you can just pull Ubuntu packages onto. Not sure how much to believe, but since I won't be shopping for a new phone until next year, I can afford to wait and see. |
| 15:07.00 | ghostcube | isnt this bada? |
| 15:07.07 | ghostcube | the brand new samsung thingy? |
| 15:07.16 | ghostcube | but you can run android on ubuntu in future :D |
| 15:07.18 | kwtm | No, apparently he said, "Don't bother with bada". But I'll just see. |
| 15:07.22 | DocScrutinizer | http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-22.html |
| 15:07.22 | dneary | kwtm, Some guy called "raster" is the main developer behind Enlightenment and EFC |
| 15:07.23 | ghostcube | ah ok |
| 15:07.31 | Termana | kwtm, it's safe to believe raster. |
| 15:07.56 | kwtm | ghostcube: Other way around. You want Ubuntu to run on what you own, not something else to run on Ubuntu. |
| 15:08.04 | toggles | cool, still have the option of .debs on a phone |
| 15:08.13 | kwtm | Termana: Okay. So there's even more credibility. Although I don't know how much to believe Samsung. |
| 15:08.39 | kwtm | For all I know, Microsoft could parachute in at the last minute and say, "Wait wait! Microsoft Windows for Geekphones v8 will be coming out Any Time Now!" |
| 15:08.46 | kfx | I don't want ubuntu anywhere near anything I own |
| 15:08.53 | kfx | I like my computers to work well |
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| 15:09.36 | DocScrutinizer | dneary: and also the main developer behind that new linux thing from Samsung that's not bada |
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| 15:09.42 | kwtm | kfx: Not the point: I want a phone *capable* of running apps written for desktop, which means that the phone will have access to a much larger collection of software than something like, Palm/iPhone, say, with apps specifically written for the phone. |
| 15:09.57 | Termana | I don't know who his employer is (weather it's Samsung or not), but I know raster gets source access to certain closed things and early prototypes. So, if he says that somethings coming, hes probably violating an NDA and you should report it. lol kidding :P |
| 15:10.07 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, whatever you call it --NLTFSTNB (New Linux Thing From Samsung That's Not Bada) |
| 15:10.10 | kfx | kwtm: me too! that's why I like my n810 and my n900 :) |
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| 15:10.46 | kwtm | kfx: Ah, then you're probably the person to ask: do you have Gnumeric running on N900? Is it safe to pull in from extras-devel? |
| 15:11.05 | Termana | kwtm, technically, you can do that on an Android phone as well |
| 15:11.14 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: I know raster good enough to tell you he doesn't violate NDAs |
| 15:11.16 | kwtm | By "safe" I mean "does not ruin the system in a way that needs command-line to fix". |
| 15:11.40 | kfx | kwtm: I just leave extras-devel enabled all the time |
| 15:11.41 | kwtm | Termana: What, you mean run linux desktop apps on Android? Or there is a *port* of gnumeric to Android? |
| 15:11.59 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, He probably isn't - but I haven't seen any announcements from Samsung about this new platform :P |
| 15:12.02 | kfx | I use gnumeric -- if you have a really huge spreadsheet it will get really ugly |
| 15:12.08 | kwtm | kfx: Okay, more specific question: Is Gnumeric usable by Average Joe on the N900? |
| 15:12.13 | kfx | but I mean, a spreadsheet with millions of rows |
| 15:12.17 | kfx | kwtm: yes imo |
| 15:12.26 | kwtm | kfx: Thx. Will try it out. |
| 15:12.37 | kfx | it won't break your device afaik |
| 15:12.49 | kfx | worst case it runs a little slower than you'd like and you uninstall it :) |
| 15:12.59 | Termana | kwtm, run linux desktop apps. As long as you have root access on your Android phone, you can set up a Debian chroot and install Debian apps. |
| 15:13.04 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: no? you haven't seen raster talking about it? |
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| 15:13.38 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, I haven't, actually, but that's not exactly what I would call an announcement from Samsung. |
| 15:13.51 | kfx | Termana: does android run an x11 server? |
| 15:14.00 | kfx | or do you have to install all that crap from debian |
| 15:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: have you seen any announcement of Nokia about N9? |
| 15:14.40 | Termana | kfx, no Android runs in its own little bubble. You have to install it in Debian |
| 15:15.00 | Termana | DocScrutinizer, bad analogy. Someone did violate an NDA showing the N9. |
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| 15:15.53 | kfx | Termana: so it sounds like installing eg gnumeric is way more of a pain in the ass on android than maemo |
| 15:16.02 | kwtm | How does this FoneArena championship work? Is it just votes? It's a popularity contest? |
| 15:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | Termana: see? that's why you haven't seen anything about that NLTFSTNB - raster isn't violating NDA |
| 15:16.23 | kwtm | Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn' |
| 15:16.45 | kwtm | Termana: Yeah, honestly, raster didn't say anything much more than "Have hope, Nokia's not the only one working on a Real Linux Phone" |
| 15:17.17 | Termana | kfx, yes it is. Like I said, technically its possible. Weather you would want to do it, at least inside Android, is another thing. |
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| 15:17.50 | Termana | kwtm, it's just votes. I suppose it's a popularity contest. |
| 15:17.51 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: I know a bit more about what raster is actually working on though |
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| 15:19.02 | toggles | i'd buy rasters ubuntu phone |
| 15:19.15 | toggles | but then i bought an openmoko, so i'd buy anything |
| 15:19.25 | DocScrutinizer | I'd not - it's capacitive touchscreen :-P |
| 15:19.43 | kfx | ew |
| 15:19.55 | kfx | I hope someone holds out against this capacative screen fad |
| 15:20.54 | kwtm | What drawbacks should I look for with capacitive touchscreen, if I don't need to paint or use other pressure-sensitive apps? |
| 15:21.06 | kfx | you can't use it while wearing gloves? |
| 15:21.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | no stylus, just wieners? |
| 15:21.52 | dneary | DocScrutinizer: Bada exists, and will get onto phones. It's kind of like Samsung's Brew |
| 15:22.06 | kwtm | DocScrutinizer: I have high hopes for the RasterPhone, but I'm more wondering about the politics of it. I mean, Microsoft parachuted in with the OLPC at the last minute and put Windows on the OLPC... |
| 15:22.15 | Termana | kfx, honestly - I've tried using my n900 with gloves, I don't think it works that great with resistive either. I mean, it works, but not very well. |
| 15:22.30 | kwtm | kfx: Alright, no gloves. What else? |
| 15:22.33 | Termana | kfx, I had to end up using the stylus. You can get capacitive styluses as well |
| 15:23.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | no, you get capacitive wiener sausage |
| 15:23.25 | kwtm | dneary: not sure if you know this already, but raster was specifically referring to something OTHER THAN bada. |
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| 15:23.40 | kwtm | Who's DocScrutinizer51? I wanna be DocScrutinizer102! |
| 15:25.05 | kfx | I've had no problems using gloves on my n900 |
| 15:25.28 | kfx | and sure you can get capacitive styluses but on the other hand any object I want is now my stylus |
| 15:25.41 | kfx | including the back of the pen on my desk |
| 15:26.07 | kwtm | DOes capacitive touch work with anything other than fingers? Like a metal pen, for instance? |
| 15:26.20 | kfx | also OLPC never shipped a single Windows XO |
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| 15:26.32 | kfx | and afaik no deployment nation signed such a deal with MS either |
| 15:26.34 | kwtm | olpc didn't? What did they ship? |
| 15:26.48 | kfx | they ship an OS based on Fedora 11 |
| 15:26.59 | kwtm | Oh! That's good news. |
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| 15:27.19 | kfx | microsoft devoted engineering time to ensure that windows *could* be run on the laptop |
| 15:27.22 | kfx | ...but nobody does that |
| 15:28.23 | jacekowski | kwtm: metal pen yeah |
| 15:28.33 | jacekowski | kwtm: but contact surface has to be big enough |
| 15:29.20 | kwtm | kfx: Ahh.. I see now. Thought it came with WinXO. |
| 15:30.52 | DocScrutinizer | kwtm: no, capacitive works with conductive *area*, so a usual metal sylus or pen doesn't |
| 15:31.02 | kwtm | What about durability? WHen I used my Palm III / TRGpro / Handera, there was always this trend that, after a year or so, the resistive touchscreen started getting spurious jumps (e.g. it would detect a tap as a stroke that started elsewhere and traveled to my fingertip). Does capacitive start to malfunction like that after a year or so? |
| 15:31.05 | kfx | kwtm: MS's bullying was actually pretty handy. The XO-1 only has 1gb of non-upgradeable onboard storage. MS wanted a bootable SD card slot so there'd be room for windows ... so the machine shipped with an SDHC slot :) |
| 15:31.08 | DocScrutinizer | capaicitve stylii look like wieners |
| 15:31.31 | kfx | kwtm: resistive technology has not been stagnant since the palm iii days |
| 15:31.39 | jacekowski | kwtm: i never had that kind of problem with resistive |
| 15:31.43 | Termana | kwtm, no. Plus that just sounds like bad design. |
| 15:31.44 | kwtm | kfx: Ah! No wonder the price went up. I read "MS drops in on OLPC -- now the $100 laptop costs $200" |
| 15:31.54 | DocScrutinizer | capacitive tends to depolarize (lose the static charge) and fails after a few years |
| 15:32.02 | jacekowski | kwtm: it was never $100 |
| 15:32.35 | kfx | kwtm: yeah it was a lot of work for no results as far as MS is concerned |
| 15:32.37 | kwtm | Termana: sorry, please explain context for your "Plus that just sounds like bad design." --not sure what part of the conversation that's from. |
| 15:32.57 | MNZ | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Touchscreen#Comparison_of_touchscreen_technologies |
| 15:33.03 | Termana | kwtm, your resistive screens going ape shit |
| 15:33.21 | kwtm | kfx: Excellent, so you seem to be saying that at least the quality is better nowadays with slower degradation? (I ask because it's actually NOT to the manufacturer's advantage to improve the durability of resistive) |
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| 15:34.03 | kwtm | jacekowski: Yeah, but it was *known as* "the $100 laptop". Oh, well. Speaks of the wisdom of naming your product after a specific dollar amount in a specific currency. :) |
| 15:34.34 | kwtm | MNZ: Thanks for the link. Reading now. |
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| 15:36.41 | kwtm | MNZ: It says there's 4-wire and 5-wire resistive touchscreen. Which is N900? |
| 15:36.51 | MNZ | beats me |
| 15:36.59 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: 4wire |
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| 15:37.18 | DocScrutinizer | err, kwtm ^^^ |
| 15:37.37 | kwtm | Got it, DocScrutinizer. |
| 15:38.49 | DocScrutinizer | with 5wire you can actually do multitouch on r-ts (well dualtouch) |
| 15:39.17 | DocScrutinizer | you *can* do with 4wire as well, but that's not commonly used |
| 15:40.15 | kwtm | SPeaking of which, I like that proposal someone put forth that "multi-touch equivalent" is that a tap-and-swipe denotes multitouch. |
| 15:41.50 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk implemented a fake mt like that |
| 15:42.23 | lcuk | no I didn't. it was actual multitouch as in >1 finger on screen at once :P |
| 15:42.43 | lcuk | *is |
| 15:42.57 | kfx | it doesn't appear to be in extras |
| 15:43.01 | DocScrutinizer | yesyes. I referred to this looking to the ts like a touch and rapid swipe |
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| 15:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | if you don't accidentally manage to put your both fingers on the screen same microsecond :-P |
| 15:44.57 | DocScrutinizer | in which case your fake mt would look like somebody leaning on the screen with his elbow |
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| 15:53.50 | Khertan | it s funny to see that nokia didn't use dbus-default-callback hint but set in hard there call depending on category ! |
| 15:53.53 | Khertan | mouarf ! |
| 15:54.44 | frals | you can set it on your own notifications |
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| 16:00.10 | Khertan | my n900 usb connector move more and more |
| 16:00.30 | Khertan | if he breaks i think i ll try to made a no connection connector : |
| 16:00.32 | Khertan | :) |
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| 16:24.44 | lcuk | Congratulations to the new council! andy80, jaffa, timsamoff, revdkathy, achipa |
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| 16:25.32 | SpeedEvil | May they rule for a thousand years. |
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| 16:27.04 | MohammadAG | congrats new council members |
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| 16:33.48 | lardman | Indeed, well done chaps and chapess |
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| 16:35.12 | lcuk | hey lardman |
| 16:35.24 | lardman | hi lcuk |
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| 16:39.25 | lardman | am doing the fun and exciting process of consolidating and cleaning up code |
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| 16:40.37 | flexxxv | hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"??? |
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| 16:42.09 | lardman | no idea, where's the code? |
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| 16:43.10 | flexxxv | of pcsuite-enable.sh? |
| 16:43.16 | lardman | yep |
| 16:43.48 | flexxxv | its in /usr/sbin/ I can post on astebin (its gpl) if you want |
| 16:44.00 | lardman | that's ok, I'll look on my device |
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| 16:44.48 | flexxxv | I was just rying MohammadAG usb host thing |
| 16:45.00 | flexxxv | *trying |
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| 16:45.44 | lardman | hmm, I can't see why it would be failing off-hand |
| 16:45.55 | lardman | so no idea I'm afraid |
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| 16:46.17 | flexxxv | what happens if you execute it? |
| 16:46.26 | RST38h | heya lardman |
| 16:46.46 | lardman | hey RST38h |
| 16:46.56 | johnsq | Hi |
| 16:47.09 | lardman | flexxxv: I get G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE and on the next line G_NOKIA_READY |
| 16:47.18 | lardman | hello johnsq |
| 16:47.41 | flexxxv | and not that "sh: 0: unknown operand" ? |
| 16:47.45 | lardman | nope |
| 16:47.50 | lardman | did you modify the script? |
| 16:48.08 | lardman | or copy and paste it from a web browser or somesuch? |
| 16:48.09 | flexxxv | no :-O could you pastebin yours? so that i can do a diff |
| 16:48.24 | lardman | yeah, hang on a tick |
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| 16:50.19 | lardman | http://maemo.pastebin.com/epp2kdfL |
| 16:50.43 | flexxxv | thx btw I dont get the G_FILE_STORAGE_REMOVE |
| 16:50.58 | lardman | it might not be insmodded of course |
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| 16:52.06 | lardman | I need to find a >2Gb SD card to try installing Meego |
| 16:52.11 | lardman | shopping trip I think |
| 16:52.26 | lardman | talks to himself randomly, just ignore me |
| 16:52.37 | flexxxv | have fun ;) |
| 16:53.08 | lardman | what shopping!? ;) |
| 16:53.22 | johnsq | lardman: you want to see an os without apps :> |
| 16:53.39 | lardman | johnsq: yeah that's a minor issue of course |
| 16:54.03 | lardman | johnsq: as long as the phone works and a calendar (not sure about that one mind you) |
| 16:54.57 | RST38h | and without ability to charge your battery |
| 16:55.10 | RST38h | and no, phone does not work yet |
| 16:55.16 | lardman | yeah that's not ideal |
| 16:55.29 | lardman | Stskeeps: mentioned somewhere that the phone stuff would be working soon |
| 16:55.48 | lardman | needed to be accepted into trunk or somesuch |
| 16:55.58 | Stskeeps | 90% is accepted, ofono's working |
| 16:57.16 | lardman | Stskeeps: is there a calendar app? and contacts? |
| 16:57.27 | lardman | (just thinking about trying to use the phone inbetween hacking) |
| 16:57.28 | Stskeeps | there's an calendar but i haven't tried it |
| 16:57.39 | lardman | can't be any worse than what we already have ;) |
| 16:57.46 | Stskeeps | it's not completely at a level where i'd eat my own dogfood |
| 16:57.49 | Stskeeps | 1.2 should approach that rapidly |
| 16:57.50 | lardman | except the 10s+ loading time perhaps |
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| 17:01.03 | RST38h | Stskeeps: When is 1.2 supposed to show up? =) |
| 17:01.53 | Stskeeps | RST38h: 6 months from 1.1 |
| 17:02.15 | lardman | and 1.1? :) |
| 17:02.47 | MohammadAG | <flexxxv> hy, is it normal that executing pcsuite-enable.sh gives a "sh: 0: unknown operand"??? |
| 17:02.48 | MohammadAG | yes |
| 17:02.55 | MohammadAG | bad Nokia scripting |
| 17:03.08 | RST38h | Stskeeps:Next year then? |
| 17:03.09 | Stskeeps | lardman: first release candidate next week so you can imagine the panic |
| 17:03.24 | MohammadAG | and it' |
| 17:03.25 | lardman | indeed, so I'll stop asking silly questions |
| 17:03.27 | MohammadAG | s not mine :) |
| 17:03.32 | flexxxv | @MohammedAG thx for info |
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| 17:03.52 | flexxxv | MohammedAG: cant get the host mode stuff to work |
| 17:04.20 | flexxxv | tried 2 flash drives and one external powerd HD |
| 17:04.28 | Stskeeps | RST38h: development model of 1.2's supposed to be different, i think |
| 17:04.34 | Stskeeps | so earlier stable results |
| 17:04.44 | Stskeeps | (don't hold me up on that) |
| 17:04.57 | flexxxv | The flash drive gets the power but its not recognized :( |
| 17:05.31 | MohammadAG | flexxxv, check PM |
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| 17:05.49 | flexxxv | MohammedAG: MohammedAG |
| 17:05.54 | flexxxv | MohammedAG: thx |
| 17:07.15 | flexxxv | MohammedAG: Inbox contains 0 messages. You have 0 messages stored, of a total 300 allowed. :P Htink I'll just wait a few minutes... |
| 17:07.47 | MohammadAG | :/ |
| 17:07.51 | MohammadAG | type /query MohammadAG |
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| 17:14.10 | Otto_ | hi guys... we had this conversation yesterday about dd zeroing the whole flash in order to block up badblocks from the flash... I tried it today but it wasn't successfull :( |
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| 17:18.36 | kerio | Otto_: didn't you say you work for nokia? get it fixed |
| 17:19.09 | Stskeeps | Otto_: if it's emmc, it sounds dead |
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| 17:20.42 | Otto_ | yes its emmc and it can't be fixed. only solution is to get a new phone |
| 17:21.02 | kerio | or, you know, fix it |
| 17:21.06 | kerio | send it to nokia |
| 17:21.16 | kerio | it should be quite the short roundtrip in your case |
| 17:21.17 | kerio | :) |
| 17:21.23 | Otto_ | can't you read, it can't be dixed :) |
| 17:21.27 | Otto_ | fixed |
| 17:21.31 | kerio | nokia can fix it |
| 17:21.42 | kerio | and by "it" i mean the phone |
| 17:21.49 | ShadowJK | "block up"? |
| 17:21.59 | kerio | replace the emmc |
| 17:21.59 | Stskeeps | Otto_: i would get a new phone through RMA, obviously dead chip |
| 17:22.07 | Stskeeps | very difficult to replace |
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| 17:22.10 | Otto_ | yup |
| 17:22.21 | ShadowJK | In my experience, once you get bad blocks on flash media, it never goes away |
| 17:22.34 | ShadowJK | Some chips stop responding alltogether the first time you touch a bad block :( |
| 17:22.51 | Otto_ | maybe that's the case |
| 17:23.14 | Otto_ | we were brainstorimg that rewriting the whole flash the flash controller would "block up" the bad blocks |
| 17:23.19 | njain | hey! guys its great to find this channel. |
| 17:23.35 | ShadowJK | Otto_, well this could be the case if the controller was actually smart |
| 17:23.39 | ShadowJK | but it's incredibly dumb ;p |
| 17:23.45 | Otto_ | :) |
| 17:23.52 | Otto_ | it seems so |
| 17:24.25 | ShadowJK | With engineering level access to the chip, with proprietary software, you might be able to shrink the size of it to not include the most dead area |
| 17:24.30 | Otto_ | if it would as smart as we expected there would be a LOT less fighting with the flash |
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| 17:24.56 | ShadowJK | but the only manufacturer I know of that publish such tools is OCZ, and that only works for a handful of devices :) |
| 17:25.03 | Otto_ | ye, but it's usually easier to replace the whole phone |
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| 17:25.30 | ShadowJK | There's a Omap3 CPU, it has to be smart instead of the flash |
| 17:25.31 | njain | i have written a small game four digits in python on n900 |
| 17:26.06 | MNZ | eMMC? CLEAN CUP! Clean cup! move down move DOWN! |
| 17:26.07 | ShadowJK | Otto_, "fighting with the flash"? :-) |
| 17:26.27 | Otto_ | all the trouble it's causing to people who has bought a n900 |
| 17:26.45 | njain | i want to make it available on app manager |
| 17:26.58 | njain | how do you do it? |
| 17:27.00 | ShadowJK | Well.. I think it's pretty rare that it actually dies |
| 17:27.36 | ShadowJK | And then running filesystems on top of it that aren't aware of flash properties can result in spectacular filesystem corruption on unclean shutdown :D |
| 17:27.39 | mece | njain, pypackager is a good start. Or did you package it already? |
| 17:27.53 | Otto_ | true that :) |
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| 17:29.34 | mece | njain, here are instructions for uploading and so on: http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras |
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| 17:41.54 | jacktheripper | libwnck is not there on maemo is it ? |
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| 18:08.46 | RST38h | heya wazd |
| 18:09.17 | wazd | RST38h: o/ |
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| 18:10.57 | RST38h | wazd: how is suffering? |
| 18:11.37 | wazd | RST38h: trying to get bloody irish visa :D |
| 18:13.04 | RST38h | wazd: tell them you are a persecuted leprechaun, then ask for asylum |
| 18:13.35 | wazd | RST38h: yeah, I guess that will help :D |
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| 18:18.38 | GAN900 | It's 2010. The world shouldn't be so backwards. |
| 18:19.28 | derf | You must live in a different world than I do. |
| 18:19.33 | RST38h | the world goes in circles anyway |
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| 18:20.24 | GAN900 | derf, optimism of youth? *g* |
| 18:21.20 | mgedmin | to go or not to go ... |
| 18:21.33 | GAN900 | mgedmin, to Dublin? |
| 18:21.34 | GAN900 | Go. |
| 18:21.36 | mgedmin | yes |
| 18:21.40 | RST38h | by all means, go and flush after yourself! |
| 18:21.46 | mgedmin | nokia's probably not going to distribute development devices this year ... |
| 18:21.49 | GAN900 | At worst you get to drink with some Maemo people. |
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| 18:22.18 | mgedmin | GAN900, you're surprisingly convincing -- and I don't even drink ;) |
| 18:22.22 | mgedmin | well, I don't drink beer |
| 18:22.33 | RST38h | mgdemin: then you will drink tea or something |
| 18:22.39 | GAN900 | Nor I, usually. |
| 18:22.51 | RobotNixon | are you guys tring to get submitted to bash.org er sumn? |
| 18:23.08 | RobotNixon | cuz its not working |
| 18:23.20 | GAN900 | Er, no? |
| 18:23.32 | RST38h | That is ok, Mr Nixon, you can switch off your listening equipment now. |
| 18:23.56 | RobotNixon | thats RobotNixon to you |
| 18:25.13 | RST38h | To me, it is 41.130.59.206 |
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| 18:27.33 | MNZ | 41 = Egypt |
| 18:27.56 | MNZ | or webchat.freenode |
| 18:30.40 | MNZ | hold on... so webchat.freenode.net sets your name to your ip? |
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| 18:31.04 | RobotNixon | yea...do they eve have computers in egypt? |
| 18:33.16 | MNZ | RobotNixon, yes, we do. Friggin camel keeps pissing on the PC though |
| 18:34.51 | mgedmin | cooling must be a pain |
| 18:35.07 | MNZ | RobotNixon, no you shouldn't |
| 18:35.20 | MNZ | I KNEW it was you haha |
| 18:35.25 | RobotNixon | lol |
| 18:36.16 | lardman | hmm, Dublin, difficult one that |
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| 18:43.11 | Otto_ | :P |
| 18:44.47 | GAN900 | lardman, you're not going? |
| 18:44.55 | lardman | not decided yet |
| 18:45.08 | lardman | I have a meeting that week and am off to India the next week |
| 18:45.12 | lardman | <PROTECTED> |
| 18:45.50 | lardman | I might try popping over for the sat/sun Maemo get-together (assuming that happens) and then just come to Monday so I can get back for my Wed meeting (and prepare on Tue afternoon) |
| 18:46.02 | GAN900 | Well, I'm going. |
| 18:46.12 | lardman | ah good stuff, I will make an effort then |
| 18:46.13 | lardman | :) |
| 18:46.13 | GAN900 | So you damn well better be there. |
| 18:46.16 | lardman | lol |
| 18:46.23 | lardman | I could appear over a video link ;) |
| 18:46.29 | GAN900 | (hinging on sponsorship, though) |
| 18:46.52 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 18:46.55 | lardman | does anyone know what the plan is for the sat/sun? |
| 18:46.59 | GAN900 | That was my plan for 2008. |
| 18:47.14 | lardman | real pita that I've had something rescheduled for wed of that week |
| 18:47.27 | GAN900 | Tell them to go to hell. |
| 18:48.14 | lardman | well, it's a meeting that we're laying on, so probably not such a good idea |
| 18:48.54 | lardman | I wonder when the conf timetable will be finalised, then I can see what's on on the Tuesday and decide whether to get a late or early flight back |
| 18:49.40 | Stskeeps | within a week, hopefully |
| 18:49.50 | lardman | cool |
| 18:50.54 | lardman | has anyone booked yet for the D4 hotels? What the per-night cost? |
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| 18:52.49 | Stskeeps | you'd think they were scots |
| 18:52.49 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 18:53.03 | jacktheripper | I just found that libwnck-2.26.2 compiles on scratchbox and it doesn't exist in the maemo.org repos. Can I post it or something ? |
| 18:53.39 | lardman | jacktheripper: submit it to extras-devel |
| 18:53.48 | lardman | Stskeeps: what do you mean? |
| 18:53.53 | jacktheripper | ok |
| 18:56.13 | jacktheripper | lardman: do I upload it using a prog, or it's done through the site ? sorry, first time here :D |
| 18:57.13 | lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Uploading_to_Extras-devel |
| 18:57.40 | lardman | basically you need a login then upload a source package via a web interface |
| 18:57.55 | lardman | assuming it builds correctly (deps) then you're fine |
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| 18:59.39 | jacktheripper | well, it builds correctly on scratchbox. |
| 19:00.00 | jacktheripper | ARMEL target |
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| 19:00.36 | lardman | well upload it and check you've got all the deps in there, it's easy to miss them! :) |
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| 19:01.01 | lardman | bbiab |
| 19:01.31 | Stskeeps | lardman|afk: think i paid like 105 eur or something |
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| 19:01.42 | Stskeeps | per night |
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| 19:03.18 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, hostmode worked for WhiteWolf |
| 19:03.23 | MohammadAG | whoever he is |
| 19:03.27 | MohammadAG | PMs for syslog |
| 19:03.50 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/91307/ |
| 19:04.33 | MohammadAG | that's your device? |
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| 19:16.37 | Aranel | any WH-701 in-ear owner here? |
| 19:16.47 | FIQ|n900 | interesting |
| 19:17.15 | FIQ|n900 | is it -devel fail or a bug that results in the toolbar disappearing if you lock and lockup your standby screen? :P |
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| 19:18.33 | DocScrutinizer | http://paste.debian.net/91309/ |
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| 19:22.48 | FIQ|n900 | ah, nvm, a -devel fault. :) |
| 19:23.38 | RobotNixon | the iphone ruined my life thank god for open sorce |
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| 19:35.54 | lcuk | RobotNixon, how on earth did a phone of any model ruin your life? |
| 19:36.05 | GAN900 | holyshitmodest |
| 19:36.26 | GAN900 | It wont leave me alone about the SMTP settings which are clearly correct. |
| 19:36.31 | lcuk | GAN900, screencast whilst its failing |
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| 20:08.44 | tortoisedoc | jani |
| 20:08.53 | tortoisedoc | ah sorry wrong person |
| 20:09.21 | tortoisedoc | anyone ever attempted to compile the bellagio on n900 |
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| 20:12.33 | lcuk | tortoisedoc, nop |
| 20:12.44 | lcuk | wonders how many apps can be gotten into extras |
| 20:12.48 | lcuk | in a single day |
| 20:13.07 | tortoisedoc | thanks lcuk |
| 20:13.23 | tortoisedoc | the guys over at maemo-devel are quite silent so i thought i give it a try ere |
| 20:13.24 | tortoisedoc | here |
| 20:13.36 | lcuk | tortoisedoc, they can be noisey |
| 20:13.42 | lcuk | it just depends on the kind of question you ask |
| 20:13.48 | tortoisedoc | heh |
| 20:13.58 | lcuk | most often case someone will just not pipe up unless they can help |
| 20:14.01 | tortoisedoc | so perhaps mines was quite a noisy one lol |
| 20:14.04 | tortoisedoc | erm |
| 20:14.07 | tortoisedoc | boring |
| 20:14.20 | tortoisedoc | good point |
| 20:14.21 | lcuk | what is bellagio? |
| 20:14.34 | tortoisedoc | its a OpenMAX IL interface implementation |
| 20:14.52 | tortoisedoc | (used for streaming usually) |
| 20:15.18 | lcuk | why would you/me/anyone need it on their device? |
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| 20:18.36 | lcuk | tortoisedoc, was a serious question :P |
| 20:18.50 | tortoisedoc | ah sorry |
| 20:19.01 | tortoisedoc | was compiling |
| 20:19.10 | tortoisedoc | it is used for example in video application |
| 20:19.15 | tortoisedoc | *applications |
| 20:19.19 | tortoisedoc | to decode streams |
| 20:19.28 | tortoisedoc | like for showing videos from youtube |
| 20:19.34 | lcuk | the Maemo N900 uses MAFW and gstreamer |
| 20:19.44 | lcuk | could openmax sit as one of the layers there |
| 20:19.45 | tortoisedoc | yes |
| 20:19.55 | lcuk | to allow vieos in default player :) ahh |
| 20:20.03 | tortoisedoc | thing is that openmax is more low level |
| 20:20.13 | tortoisedoc | which is what i need |
| 20:20.17 | lcuk | cool |
| 20:20.22 | tortoisedoc | yep |
| 20:20.25 | lcuk | what are you hoping to do with it |
| 20:20.31 | tortoisedoc | but sadly i am too stupid to make it work lol |
| 20:21.19 | lcuk | i doubt that is the case :) |
| 20:21.46 | lcuk | have you worked with anything else on maemo before |
| 20:22.05 | lcuk | or have you just jumped at this from scratch and just regular linux building experience |
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| 20:23.50 | tortoisedoc | first app on maemo |
| 20:24.07 | tortoisedoc | very nice system |
| 20:24.11 | lcuk | and you are porting already :P |
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| 20:38.17 | tortoisedoc | damn webchat |
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| 21:24.02 | GAN900 | Did we ever get an answer about where the Maemo awards money went for Calling All Innovators? |
| 21:24.25 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:24.29 | SpeedEvil | I forgot it thogh |
| 21:24.38 | SpeedEvil | Someone mentioned it last night I think |
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| 21:56.15 | markinfo | I have nokia n810, Diablo system. I would like to try to programming a bit. What should I download? Probably some SDK. this one? http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 21:56.34 | markinfo | on my Linux desktop. |
| 21:56.36 | SpeedEvil | maemo 5 is n900 only |
| 21:56.38 | SpeedEvil | so no |
| 21:56.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't know about the 810 |
| 21:57.07 | markinfo | but there is no: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_4_Final_SDK_Installation |
| 21:57.47 | SpeedEvil | I don't know where it mght be, I do know that maemo 5 does not run on the n900, so that's unlikely to be helpful |
| 21:58.14 | SpeedEvil | It's unusually quiet tonight. |
| 21:58.24 | lcuk | *does not run on the N810 |
| 21:58.37 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 21:58.38 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 21:58.40 | SpeedEvil | that |
| 21:58.40 | lcuk | Maemo 5 runs extremely well on the N900 :D |
| 21:59.06 | markinfo | maybe hier? http://maemo.org/development/sdks/maemo-4-1-diablo-sdk/ |
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| 21:59.18 | lcuk | markinfo, that sounds about right |
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| 22:55.34 | sandstorm|mobile | is it normal that xorg constantly uses average 6% cpu? |
| 22:55.36 | e-yes | This is to inform you that you have won £500,000.00 GBP in Nokia Online Lottery. Kindly contact us at office001@computermail.net for claims with the following information below; Full names, Address, Phone number, Age, Sex, Marital status, Occupation. |
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| 22:56.16 | FauxFaux | Half a million? You should probably adjust your ammounts for real currencies. |
| 22:56.55 | sandstorm|mobile | and also gbps what a prize |
| 22:57.16 | kfx | crap I only have one full name I'm not qualified |
| 22:57.26 | FauxFaux | Haha. |
| 22:57.44 | FauxFaux | Also, my marital status would probably get me arrested. |
| 22:58.26 | sandstorm|mobile | does xorg use 6 ,ercent of cpu in average? |
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| 23:02.42 | SpeedEvil | sandstorm|mobile: when active - it's not unexpected. |
| 23:02.57 | SpeedEvil | Some large portion of an apps drawing on screen is really done by X |
| 23:03.07 | SpeedEvil | If it's using thatr wehn blanked, ten it's a bug |
| 23:04.02 | sandstorm|mobile | only way I can understand that is to ssh while blanked right? |
| 23:06.30 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:06.48 | SpeedEvil | Generally doing anything on the device while trying to work out performance is fail. |
| 23:07.02 | SpeedEvil | htop is also probably more useful than the crippled top |
| 23:08.22 | sandstorm|mobile | ah I was using conky but I got htop as well thanks for the advice |
| 23:11.21 | sandstorm|mobile | btw catorize removal made a huge difference on battery life |
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| 23:13.50 | kwtm | sandstorm|mobile: Wait, what? Catorize uses batteries? (or catorize saves batteries?) How? It's just software that runs when you try to use the launcher, no? |
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