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| 00:01.20 | whoawhoa | can I get a recommendation on which battery and separate charger to get for the n900 online? |
| 00:01.21 | ShadowJK | 288/585/2248 min/avg/max on edge for me |
| 00:01.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | I'm heading home, pinginginginginging my mattrass |
| 00:02.06 | crashanddie | lol... ping doesn't actually return anything at all |
| 00:02.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | whoawhoa: please elaborate |
| 00:03.22 | whoawhoa | I want an extra battery to carry around with me cause my phone dies everyday |
| 00:03.35 | whoawhoa | and I wouldnt be able to charge it at the same time without an extra charger |
| 00:04.29 | ShadowJK | 98/103/111 on HSDPA, 289/306/319 on WCDMA |
| 00:04.49 | crashanddie | 68 packets sent / 0 packets received / 100% packet loss |
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| 00:08.54 | MNZ51 | is there a way to disable the turn-music-off-on-im_notification feature? |
| 00:09.22 | DocScrutinizer | atomic-pingfloods tmo |
| 00:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ51: depends on your definition of IM I guess |
| 00:11.07 | MNZ51 | the maemo built in IM |
| 00:11.49 | DocScrutinizer | actually such 'feature' sounds like a madman's last revenge to me |
| 00:12.36 | MNZ51 | I KNOW! :/ |
| 00:13.24 | MNZ51 | and it doesn't stop for the time of the notification.... takes tqo more seconds |
| 00:13.33 | MNZ51 | two* |
| 00:13.44 | whoawhoa | so, how about a cheap ebay battery and charger? |
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| 00:14.23 | DocScrutinizer | while there's some rationale in stopping media sound on inbound call, it's a fat stinking brainfart to stop media audio on inbound IM notification |
| 00:15.01 | jacktheripper | sorry for the /nick spam :D |
| 00:15.24 | crashanddie | apology not accepted |
| 00:15.39 | DocScrutinizer | what spam? |
| 00:15.45 | jacktheripper | :( |
| 00:15.55 | crashanddie | DocScrutinizer: spam for people who haven't filtered out nickchanges, I guess |
| 00:16.07 | DocScrutinizer | maybe |
| 00:17.20 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, night nerds! |
| 00:17.27 | crashanddie | /ignore * PARTS JOINS QUITS NICKS |
| 00:18.50 | MNZ51 | oh darn..... I just realized we need PA for stopping media playback on calls, etc |
| 00:21.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe you do. I 'published' a solution for ALSA some 6 months ago |
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| 00:23.12 | MNZ51 | DocScrutinizer link/name/anything? |
| 00:23.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | alsa hooks |
| 00:24.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | paul and me created a plugin to execute arbitrary binaries on audio device open() |
| 00:25.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | of course also on close |
| 00:25.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | FYYYCK PA! |
| 00:25.50 | MNZ51 | nice! |
| 00:26.34 | FIQ|n900 | hmm |
| 00:27.37 | pigeon | hmm, what's with this ovi "this item is not available for your country" crap... |
| 00:28.01 | MNZ51 | so deemphasis filter + dmix + hooks and we can get rid of PA? or is there more? |
| 00:28.22 | DocScrutinizer | with ALSA hooks you can implement a darn lot f amazing things. With my plugin you can implement almost everything |
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| 00:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | e.g. call dbus to signal device not to go asleep until the current audio playback has finished |
| 00:30.30 | MNZ51 | basically we would just need a method to stop all other audio' during calls |
| 00:30.37 | DocScrutinizer | also when the called binary returns !=0, open() fails |
| 00:31.06 | DocScrutinizer | snd_open() to be more specific |
| 00:32.15 | MNZ51 | btw I fixed up hwdep for the eq the other day(I think) |
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| 00:32.31 | DocScrutinizer | do you need a method to STOP (I have a concept for that), or fsckng simply mute unwanted audio, which is basically possible with existing ALSA? |
| 00:33.18 | MNZ51 | but hwdep_open still complains about device not existing though it's there under /proc |
| 00:33.25 | MNZ51 | yeah stop pr mute |
| 00:33.32 | MNZ51 | or mute |
| 00:33.59 | MNZ51 | how would you go about that? |
| 00:34.13 | DocScrutinizer | tty2morrow |
| 00:34.22 | MNZ51 | ok gnite |
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| 00:34.28 | DocScrutinizer | nite |
| 00:38.57 | SpeedEvil | Umm - what are fcamera 'dmg' files? |
| 00:40.59 | SpeedEvil | ah |
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| 00:50.16 | DocScrutinizer51 | the pity is nobody seems to realize the potential of that concept |
| 00:50.45 | DocScrutinizer51 | so I felt like just dumpint it |
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| 00:57.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | heneral opinion seems to be you have tok adapt every single audio app to the target platform, possibly patching original sourcecode to care about mixer settings, resource arbitration and whatnot. Not my idea of a portable system, but meh |
| 00:59.46 | DocScrutinizer51 | we got PA, the mesias. Knows how to deal with every single problem. Too bad it seems not to work that flawlessly |
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| 01:12.05 | SpeedEvil | It does! |
| 01:12.15 | SpeedEvil | It's just you can't have the vrersion that works flawlessly |
| 01:15.21 | lcukn900 | what does |
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| 01:20.52 | SpeedEvil | The fixed versionof pulseaudio |
| 01:21.06 | lcukn900 | heh |
| 01:21.16 | lcukn900 | just mentioning exactly that elsewhere |
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| 01:22.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | imagine maemo dialer Han app you got no source and just maybe can define the audio device: alsa:phonedialer-ring:0.0) executes an arbitrary script that does all you want, on simply snd_open() |
| 01:24.56 | DocScrutinizer51 | Hthere's libs using ld_preload you even can tweak PA and OSS based apps, as well as brainfsckd apps with ALSA default hardcoded, to use arbitrary audio dev) |
| 01:26.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | google for fsoraw, then start to dream |
| 01:27.05 | DocScrutinizer51 | audio is a resource like any other |
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| 01:29.43 | lcukn900 | per-contact-ringtone is a decent hack on the call process |
| 01:29.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | there's a prototype of a method that's not a wrapper but a device similar to my ALSA plugin which executes arbitrary executables on snd_open() / snd_close() |
| 01:29.54 | lcukn900 | not perfect but it suffices |
| 01:32.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcukn900: does it work for SIP calls? |
| 01:33.08 | lcukn900 | idk try it |
| 01:33.47 | lcukn900 | marco wrote it and I believe it should cater for as much as possible |
| 01:35.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcukn900: how does arbitrary alarm-to-wakeup app magage to know how to keep N900 screen backlight on during playback of rintone? |
| 01:35.58 | lcukn900 | theres numerous methods to keep light on afaik |
| 01:36.01 | lcukn900 | http://maemo.org/packages/view/per-contact-ringtones/ |
| 01:36.17 | DocScrutinizer51 | how does same app know to mute fmrx radio? |
| 01:36.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcu every single one of those methods needs sourcecode patches |
| 01:36.55 | lcukn900 | probably didnt when it was first written but got modified to fix a bug.. |
| 01:36.59 | DocScrutinizer51 | blaaarrrrgh |
| 01:37.24 | lcukn900 | yup |
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| 01:38.45 | lcukn900 | sleeps |
| 01:38.57 | lcukn900 | nn doc |
| 01:39.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | based on my idea you ship original app with a config to use alsa:myspecialapp:0.0 and you simply ship a alsarc file to define exactly that device, plus a plugin that starts an arbitrary executable |
| 01:40.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | on opening alsa:myspecialapp:0.0 |
| 01:40.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus a second one on closing same audio device |
| 01:46.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | the executable started on snd_open() (let's call it a script) may send a signal to all processes which havem an open handle to snd_playback_mp3music alsa audio device |
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| 01:49.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | or it talks to a central resourcek arbiter daemon, which knows how to either make running tasks mute or stop, or alternatively return(1) which makes the snd-open() call fail so app knows there's some higher prio audio blocking the hardware |
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| 01:54.40 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's almost as versatile as this PA cruft. Only difference is it needs ZERO sourcecode patches |
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| 01:56.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | you just ship a alsarc file for your app which is defining the unique audio device the app is using |
| 01:57.03 | DocScrutinizer51 | plus a script (or set of scripts) that's called when the unique audio dev is opened rsp closed |
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| 01:58.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | aah, and (C) of all this ny me, use as you like but please metion me somewhere |
| 01:59.10 | Ken-Young | DOes anyone know of a way to see the distribution of 1, 2 .. 5 star ratings for an individual app in the Extras repository? |
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| 02:02.57 | lolloo | any new updates for N900 maemo? |
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| 02:40.45 | ShadSEC | Anyone knows any faster way to check remaining battery than using hal-device? |
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| 02:42.47 | ShadSEC | maybe is it in a redable /proc or /sys file? |
| 02:43.59 | luke-jr | you can make a module that exposes it in /sys |
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| 02:44.34 | ShadSEC | luke, without going that far :P |
| 02:44.40 | luke-jr | then no |
| 02:45.11 | ShadSEC | It's just that grepping hal-device for battery percentage repeteadly is too much load for my script |
| 02:45.45 | ShadSEC | mmmm, ok, then I just store the result and display that |
| 02:46.14 | ShadSEC | it is not going to change for a while |
| 02:46.29 | ShadSEC | thx |
| 02:54.22 | lolloo | guys, whats the best theme for N900? |
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| 02:56.32 | SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: see: |
| 02:56.46 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 02:56.50 | SpeedEvil | TRhe script in that. |
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| 02:57.08 | SpeedEvil | I'm polishing it, and goign to release it to extras maybe - but it works werll |
| 02:57.13 | SpeedEvil | Oh |
| 02:57.26 | SpeedEvil | that doesn't actually show remaining battery. |
| 02:57.42 | SpeedEvil | It could easily though |
| 02:57.43 | uthesonsun | hey, anyone able to control any tv with this thing yet? |
| 02:57.50 | SpeedEvil | yes - see irreco |
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| 03:08.51 | N900motha | so...nokia got themselves a new CEO....how do you guys feel about it ? |
| 03:09.33 | luke-jr | can't hurt I guess |
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| 03:09.58 | N900motha | he grew up not too far from where i live.... |
| 03:10.05 | ShadSEC | speedevil, again it is a bit overkill for what I need, I will just store the value and check it once in a while |
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| 03:10.32 | ShadSEC | speedevil, but that script is great to check current consumption, thx! |
| 03:11.04 | N900motha | his 1st order of the day should be to clear the air about the n900 with the users |
| 03:11.37 | uthesonsun | aptget doesnt find irreco |
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| 03:12.17 | N900motha | so whats this shit i'm hearing about 1.3? is it coming? |
| 03:12.50 | ShadSEC | mmmm, 220mah just with remote ssh doesnt seem right.... |
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| 03:17.38 | ShadSEC | Lets see what it says just after reboot... |
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| 03:19.33 | ShadSEC | Sat Sep 11 05:19:22 CEST 2010 219mA 73 total events, 14.547 events/sec |
| 03:19.35 | ShadSEC | mmmmmm |
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| 03:21.46 | ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, is this script giving real results? |
| 03:22.09 | ShadSEC | if it is, theres somethign very wrong with my phone lol |
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| 03:27.33 | ShadSEC | Anyone else that has tested this script could tell me its ouput from remote ssh with screen off ? |
| 03:27.52 | N900motha | ha? |
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| 03:36.23 | ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, this script has an awesome diagnostics value |
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| 03:45.23 | SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: it is ballpark if your wireless is not properly powersaving |
| 03:45.42 | SpeedEvil | ShadSEC: 30 idle to 6 if you're redirecting to a file |
| 03:46.55 | SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:35 BST 2010 52mA 35 total events, 6.965 events/sec |
| 03:46.55 | SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:40 BST 2010 17mA 26 total events, 5.181 events/sec |
| 03:46.56 | SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:46:45 BST 2010 17mA 27 total events, 5.392 events/sec |
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| 03:49.37 | ShadSEC | SpeedEvil, in fact the remote SSH is going thru 3G, maybe that explains it... but yours are really low figures |
| 03:50.23 | ShadSEC | It's also useful to check charges... AC charger, arund 800ma, USB charging 400mah, car charger 600mah |
| 03:50.26 | ShadSEC | chargers |
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| 03:50.40 | psycho_oreos | any of you guys know how hildon-desktop generates e-tag? |
| 03:52.19 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 03:52.22 | SpeedEvil | 3G is insane. |
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| 03:53.05 | SpeedEvil | Through screen - Sat Sep 11 04:52:24 BST 2010 11mA 30 total events, 5.973 events/sec |
| 03:53.05 | SpeedEvil | Sat Sep 11 04:52:29 BST 2010 9mA 16 total events, 3.195 events/sec |
| 03:53.36 | ShadSEC | yep.. I will later check from 3G... but its wlan0 what I am remotely playing with, so i need to ssh through 3g |
| 03:53.51 | SpeedEvil | wifi with powersave - above numbers |
| 03:54.03 | SpeedEvil | If powersave isn't working - 200 isn't unreasonable |
| 03:54.06 | ShadSEC | is that idle or interactive ssh? |
| 03:54.27 | SpeedEvil | The first was idle with only the script |
| 03:54.41 | SpeedEvil | the second was redirected to a file - both with wlan active |
| 03:55.14 | ShadSEC | that makes sense... again, this script is great to optimize usage of the n900 |
| 03:55.30 | SpeedEvil | I need to polish it and release properly. |
| 03:55.30 | ShadSEC | this time with exact figures, not just intuition |
| 03:56.08 | ShadSEC | it seems to be working great to me... |
| 03:58.31 | SpeedEvil | frequency stats would be good too. |
| 04:00.52 | ShadSEC | yep |
| 04:01.28 | ShadSEC | but i think watching the exact real time current is more interesting |
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| 04:11.34 | openstandards | hi all, i've just completely bricked my n900 any fail safe to restore? |
| 04:12.20 | psycho_oreos | fail safe? |
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| 04:13.16 | psycho_oreos | not really |
| 04:13.42 | psycho_oreos | you could reflash it but specifying the original kernel |
| 04:17.18 | openstandards | theres no 64bit version :( |
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| 04:17.27 | psycho_oreos | of? |
| 04:17.47 | openstandards | flasher |
| 04:17.49 | openstandards | so it seems |
| 04:17.53 | psycho_oreos | flasher? I don't think that would matter much unless you're running ia-64 |
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| 04:19.53 | openstandards | Error: Wrong architecture 'i386' afraid it does :( |
| 04:20.46 | pigeon | can you set the n900 not to echo the letters you type for password fields completely? |
| 04:21.27 | openstandards | found something on the wiki using google thats telling me to force the install so i'll give that a try |
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| 04:27.12 | jpinx | is there any way in the n900 to copy/paste from a regular text file into a text message to be sent? |
| 04:28.13 | pigeon | do ctrl-c/ctrl-v work? |
| 04:28.43 | jpinx | no - that's why I am asking |
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| 04:31.05 | ShadSEC | Does wl1251 support multiple virtual interfaces? ie, two, each connected to a different AP in managed mode |
| 04:31.46 | psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, as long as they are on the same channel and you use only one gateway |
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| 04:33.43 | ShadSEC | psycho, good...and whats the command to create them? I dont see wlanconfig here |
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| 04:34.25 | ShadSEC | and i supposse you mean only one DEFAULT gateway, dont you? |
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| 04:35.47 | psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, you'll need to compile iw :) and yes one default gw |
| 04:37.16 | ShadSEC | psycho, and it will compile? mmmm, lets try... :P |
| 04:38.45 | psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, provided that you have met all the deps under scratchbox |
| 04:39.18 | ShadSEC | I use a chroot for native compiling |
| 04:39.43 | ShadSEC | i find it easier to do the job |
| 04:40.36 | psycho_oreos | you compile all the stuff using n900? |
| 04:41.06 | ShadSEC | yep |
| 04:41.20 | ShadSEC | it is not that slow |
| 04:41.30 | ShadSEC | in fact i think it is very fast |
| 04:42.09 | jpinx | uses a chroot in the n900 for his routine computing now |
| 04:42.32 | psycho_oreos | thinks some people are nuts |
| 04:42.48 | ShadSEC | lol |
| 04:42.53 | jpinx | psycho_oreos: why? |
| 04:43.42 | jpinx | I can ssh in and use a bigger kbd screen from anywhere -- even internetcafes |
| 04:44.03 | jpinx | carry around putty on a usb, plug it in, ssh into the n900 :) |
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| 04:44.16 | psycho_oreos | jpinx, well there's lack of space to begin with unless you either repartition the onboard 29GB or have a large flash drive... then there's issues with CPU doing all that compiling when you could have a normal desktop PC do the job whilst you tinker around n900 more without excessive lags |
| 04:44.51 | ShadSEC | psycho, my chroot is on a loop mounted ext3 |
| 04:45.00 | ShadSEC | no space issue |
| 04:45.05 | jpinx | ShadSEC: same here |
| 04:45.24 | ShadSEC | and for compiling... unless you recompile a kernel, everything is fine |
| 04:45.31 | ShadSEC | even a kernel would be ok during my sleep |
| 04:45.34 | psycho_oreos | in other words you have about 3 or so GB to play with :) |
| 04:45.42 | jpinx | ShadSEC: do you use screen? |
| 04:46.06 | ShadSEC | 4Gb on the sdk chroot |
| 04:46.17 | ShadSEC | yep, screen is great |
| 04:46.31 | psycho_oreos | yeah no more than 4GB as per FAT32 limitation |
| 04:47.03 | ShadSEC | yes, and in my tests, theres almost no overhead for using a loop mounted image than a real partition |
| 04:47.25 | ShadSEC | so the images just lie on the big useles FAT |
| 04:47.43 | ShadSEC | lay |
| 04:48.12 | jpinx | ShadSEC: here's my scenario - chroot into the image, su $USER (because I don't want to appear in irssi as root) and I get /dev/pts/# permissions. Easy enough to fix manually, but I wondered if there could be a way to automate that? |
| 04:48.34 | psycho_oreos | I normally compile stuff with scratchbox unless I'm in a place where I can't install scratchbox, then I'll consider about a chroot environment under n900 |
| 04:48.48 | psycho_oreos | a script |
| 04:49.22 | ShadSEC | jpinx, you cant script the commands you do manually? |
| 04:49.27 | psycho_oreos | chroot dev environment I should add |
| 04:50.03 | ShadSEC | psycho, the truht is that I didn't even care to setup scratchbox... cross compiling sounded more complicate to me |
| 04:50.05 | jpinx | ShadSEC: no - because the /dev/pts/# is not always the same |
| 04:50.48 | ShadSEC | jpix, isnt there a pattern? I mean... how do you find out whats the # is using? manually |
| 04:50.49 | psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, granted it would for most people but once you get the hang of it, you won't find yourself to still be alienated :) |
| 04:51.50 | jpinx | ShadSEC: su $USER and ask for a screen - it'll complain and tell me which /dev/pts/# it was trying to use - so I go back to root and chown that one |
| 04:52.47 | ShadSEC | psycho, i was considering setting up a scratchbox... but now that I have native compiling I doubt I will |
| 04:53.19 | ShadSEC | jpinx, ok, you can redirect stddr to a file |
| 04:53.25 | psycho_oreos | ShadSEC, fair enough |
| 04:53.26 | ShadSEC | and grep /dev/pts it |
| 04:54.35 | jpinx | ShadSEC: that'll tell me which /dev/pts/# but I still need root to chown it |
| 04:56.47 | ShadSEC | screen 2>&1 | grep "dev/pts" .... |
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| 04:56.56 | ShadSEC | mmmm, gainroot? |
| 04:58.19 | jpinx | it's a chroot, I only have to exit the user I am su'd into |
| 04:58.31 | ShadSEC | mmmmm |
| 04:59.07 | jpinx | ShadSEC: I'll work on it - the manual fix is no sweat, so it's not a high priority - just a niggle |
| 04:59.13 | ShadSEC | you can always make you script to communicate to another one outside the chroot using netcat to do the chown for you |
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| 04:59.25 | ShadSEC | but I am sure there are simpler ways :) |
| 04:59.41 | openstandards | i'm having problems flashing |
| 04:59.52 | jpinx | ShadSEC: I need to look at how /dev/pts# are allocated and maybe i can predict before I su as $USER |
| 05:00.20 | ZogG | that's it |
| 05:00.24 | ZogG | it pissed me off |
| 05:00.32 | ShadSEC | you can also use group permissions |
| 05:00.37 | ZogG | i'm tiered of people making forum the trash |
| 05:00.53 | jpinx | ShadSEC: yea - didn't think of that ;) |
| 05:00.55 | ShadSEC | give rw group permision to all pts |
| 05:01.02 | ShadSEC | and make the user be part of that group |
| 05:01.04 | ShadSEC | ugly, but.... |
| 05:02.31 | jpinx | ShadSEC: it's only a chroot ;) |
| 05:02.48 | ShadSEC | yep, and in a damn phone :P |
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| 05:03.03 | openstandards | http://pastebin.com/vWbsuT1q can someone look at this pastie of mine concerning my n900 and flasher |
| 05:04.17 | ShadSEC | which btw I am going to throw out of the windows if i cant make this thing to work before i go to bed :( |
| 05:07.26 | openstandards | yikes |
| 05:08.25 | openstandards | it justs keeps on resetting itself and not getting picked up |
| 05:10.20 | openstandards | jpinx, any idea? |
| 05:11.19 | jpinx | ShadSEC: :) |
| 05:11.45 | jpinx | openstandards: I've reflashed a few times with no issues at all |
| 05:12.06 | jpinx | so - no - sorry I have no idea about errors there |
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| 05:14.29 | ShadSEC | jpinx, have you tried configuring wlan0 from command line? there's something not working ... |
| 05:15.01 | jpinx | ShadSEC: no - I haven't explored all that from the chroot yet - it's on my todo |
| 05:15.16 | ShadSEC | everything is correctly setup but it just dont associate |
| 05:15.45 | ShadSEC | I would need to know what exact commands is the connections manager using... |
| 05:16.07 | ShadSEC | its uninportant from the the chroot or outside |
| 05:16.15 | ShadSEC | it isnt working either for me :( |
| 05:17.33 | jpinx | true - you should be able to do it from withing the chroot without issues - I need to look into all that |
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| 05:17.52 | jpinx | currently I cheat and use the wifi of my laptop over ssh/usb |
| 05:18.38 | ShadSEC | mmmmmm |
| 05:18.54 | ShadSEC | i havent tried the usb networking yet |
| 05:19.11 | jpinx | but I am going to have to bite the bullet this weekend and get the "normal2 networking to behave |
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| 05:19.43 | jpinx | usb networking was not too difficult to configure, just get the gateway and static IP's right |
| 05:20.20 | ShadSEC | jpix, its windows on this side... |
| 05:20.40 | jpinx | use Putty? |
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| 05:20.55 | ShadSEC | yeah, I mean the usb networking setup |
| 05:20.58 | ShadSEC | never tried |
| 05:21.25 | ShadSEC | anyway I am ssh'ing via wifi-internet-3g-n900 |
| 05:21.26 | jpinx | yea - putty in windows will give you linux-like ssh |
| 05:21.57 | ShadSEC | only problem is that i has a considerable lag |
| 05:22.00 | ShadSEC | it |
| 05:22.23 | jpinx | what does ? My usb is fast |
| 05:22.49 | ShadSEC | yep, usb might be better, perhaps tomorrow i will set it up |
| 05:23.24 | ShadSEC | anyway is managng the wifi from command line what is giving me a headache |
| 05:23.55 | ShadSEC | and it should be very easy, i dont understand it |
| 05:24.48 | jpinx | ok - see you tomorrow maybe - I'm off |
| 05:25.18 | openstandards | wohoo i've manage to unbrick it |
| 05:25.40 | ShadSEC | see you jpinx |
| 05:25.49 | openstandards | cyas jpinx |
| 05:27.18 | openstandards | ShadSEC, a nice tool for when i used windows in the past was winscp....coping files over ssh :) |
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| 05:30.46 | pigeon | grrr, talk.maemo.org broken again somehow |
| 05:31.12 | ShadSEC | openstandards, yes, all about shh is great |
| 05:32.40 | openstandards | it is i love logging into my servers all the time |
| 05:33.45 | openstandards | since flashing my phones lagging on everything |
| 05:33.55 | pigeon | on the n900 how are you supposed to bring up the software on screen keyboard? |
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| 05:44.11 | pigeon | it seems i have this problem since the first day, the virtual keyboard just won't show up when it should. |
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| 06:20.42 | Munkiii | at the moment it only joins Maemo |
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| 08:36.32 | Munkiii | anyone around to help? |
| 08:37.17 | Munkiii | i was just using the n900 optimized website version of google maps... |
| 08:37.52 | Munkiii | when it asked "do you want this website to use your location" |
| 08:38.01 | Munkiii | i said "yes always" |
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| 08:38.25 | Munkiii | but now i want to change that back to always ask |
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| 08:38.42 | Munkiii | anyone know how? |
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| 08:43.20 | kerio | Munkiii: ask timeless |
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| 08:45.58 | MNZ | good morning folks |
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| 08:50.12 | kerio | good morning MNZ |
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| 09:25.01 | ech0Asus | finally fixed it :) did some updates on my n900 and then majority of images wouldn't load in any browser.. had to set user agent back.. |
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| 09:34.40 | lcuk | hmm |
| 09:34.51 | lcuk | Destroid the game |
| 09:34.57 | lcuk | announced here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58837 |
| 09:35.11 | lcuk | says that its high scores are stored in /home/opt/ ... |
| 09:35.37 | lcuk | I thought user apps couldn't write into anywhere outside /home/user normally |
| 09:36.31 | secyritas | ömm, of course they can |
| 09:36.37 | secyritas | uups, omm i meant |
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| 09:39.34 | lcuk | secyritas, hmm |
| 09:39.37 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:/root$ cd /home/opt |
| 09:39.37 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ touch hmm |
| 09:39.37 | lcuk | touch: hmm: Permission denied |
| 09:39.37 | lcuk | Nokia-N900:/home/opt$ |
| 09:39.51 | lcuk | (as user) |
| 09:44.40 | lcuk | says meh and goes to the Science and Industry museum |
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| 10:10.06 | jacekowski | lcuk: where are you? |
| 10:10.17 | jacekowski | hmm, manchester |
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| 10:42.02 | jacktheripper | does anyone know if I could run mobile-hotspot with these modules here: http://www.freemoe.org/users/jebba/kernel/modules/2.6.28-omap1/ ? |
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| 10:47.24 | Zucca | Has anyone did any measuremets on how long battery will last when ssh kept open all day (say irc open on channel like this) with hight compression and nocompression at all? |
| 10:48.32 | kerio | Zucca: wifi or gprs/umts? |
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| 10:49.16 | Zucca | kerio: gprs/umts. |
| 10:49.24 | kerio | Zucca: hahaha |
| 10:49.31 | kerio | i'd say 8 hours |
| 10:49.34 | kerio | and i'm being optimistic |
| 10:50.27 | Zucca | kerio: It lasts my whole works day, but what I'm interested is wow ssh compression affects this. |
| 10:50.35 | kerio | it doesn't, really |
| 10:50.49 | Zucca | (damn typos) |
| 10:51.26 | Zucca | Yeah. I think I has very little meaning... |
| 10:53.05 | Zucca | I keep ssh conccention open all the day. Usually it lasts cloes to 10 hrs. |
| 10:53.29 | Zucca | When I keep... |
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| 11:01.44 | nandan | hello |
| 11:02.02 | nandan | how can I install ffmpeg on n900 device |
| 11:02.06 | nandan | any help |
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| 11:06.05 | Dassu | :( you want to do encoding on your n900 |
| 11:06.07 | Dassu | ? |
| 11:10.34 | pupnik | sure, to share videos with other devices for e.g. |
| 11:10.53 | pupnik | that can't play your existing format |
| 11:10.58 | pupnik | would be a nice gui program |
| 11:11.11 | pupnik | 'encode for' 'nokia e71' |
| 11:12.41 | nandan | no |
| 11:12.46 | SpeedEvil | nandan: There is a complex answer - and there is http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg |
| 11:12.59 | nandan | i want to install ffmpeg on n900 |
| 11:13.12 | nandan | for playing video |
| 11:13.15 | SpeedEvil | (in around a minute) |
| 11:13.28 | nandan | now i think we can play only mp4 |
| 11:13.42 | SpeedEvil | ffmpeg does not play video |
| 11:13.42 | SpeedEvil | ffplay will play video, but not sanely. |
| 11:13.44 | SpeedEvil | It plays on the raw framebuffer device |
| 11:13.55 | SpeedEvil | umm - wrong |
| 11:14.05 | SpeedEvil | mplayer and the media player will play lots of types of files |
| 11:14.22 | nandan | ya .....but for ffplay u need ffmpeg to install |
| 11:14.24 | SpeedEvil | ffplay would need ported to run sanely |
| 11:14.33 | SpeedEvil | no you don't. |
| 11:14.43 | SpeedEvil | ffplay and ffmpeg are quite seperate binaries |
| 11:15.13 | SpeedEvil | ffplay cannot be used sanely on the n900 without porting, which as far as I'm aware, nobodies done. |
| 11:15.16 | nandan | ya binary r separate but comes with name ffmpeg source code |
| 11:16.25 | nandan | URL http://www.mauve.plus.com/test/ffmpeg is not valid one |
| 11:16.34 | SpeedEvil | I deleted it |
| 11:16.46 | SpeedEvil | As you said you weren't looking for ffmpeg |
| 11:16.52 | nandan | ya |
| 11:17.20 | nandan | in general can u suggest hoe can i install a package on n900 |
| 11:17.33 | nandan | which is ment for x86 arc |
| 11:17.42 | SpeedEvil | For a random package, get the package source, port it to maemo, compile. |
| 11:18.05 | nandan | i have tried with ffmpeg |
| 11:18.13 | nandan | and got some error |
| 11:18.28 | SpeedEvil | For ffmpeg - the porting is null - just compile it. For ffplay - it's quite complex, and you need to implement some sort of window awareness. |
| 11:19.25 | nandan | while configuring I got error like |
| 11:19.26 | SpeedEvil | I don't remember any significant errors. |
| 11:19.28 | nandan | Unable to create temporary file in /var/tmp. |
| 11:19.33 | SpeedEvil | well - fix that |
| 11:19.46 | nandan | how to fix that |
| 11:19.56 | nandan | as i m compiling as root |
| 11:20.12 | SpeedEvil | On the n900? |
| 11:20.18 | nandan | ya |
| 11:20.34 | SpeedEvil | Move a copy of / into a chroot on /home - and compile there. |
| 11:20.46 | SpeedEvil | You don't want to compile on the base system, for a number of reasons. |
| 11:21.22 | SpeedEvil | Also - what you will end up with is a ffplay that plays flickery images in the corner of the framebuffer, overlayed badly over the existing content, with no UI at all. |
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| 11:22.12 | nandan | actually i installed ffmpeg using apt-get |
| 11:22.33 | nandan | and that plays video well using ffplay |
| 11:22.49 | SpeedEvil | Well - someones ported it then. |
| 11:22.51 | nandan | now i want to compile ffmpeg 4m svn |
| 11:23.06 | SpeedEvil | So do. |
| 11:23.13 | SpeedEvil | Get the source of the package ffmpeg |
| 11:23.18 | nandan | ya |
| 11:23.19 | SpeedEvil | Compare with stock ffmpeg |
| 11:23.28 | SpeedEvil | Patch those changes over |
| 11:23.30 | SpeedEvil | compile |
| 11:24.04 | nandan | how can i get source code that i installed using apt-get |
| 11:25.28 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/packages/view/ffmpeg/ |
| 11:25.57 | nandan | thanks SpeedEvil |
| 11:26.20 | nandan | also can u tell how to install a new os /image on N900 |
| 11:26.42 | SpeedEvil | Flash it. |
| 11:27.27 | nandan | ya how to do that |
| 11:28.16 | SpeedEvil | ~flashing |
| 11:28.17 | infobot | rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 11:49.17 | pog | is there a applet to check batterie capacity and powerconsumtion during uptime of N900. Mein N900 stopped once, and I'm not shure, wether it's due to emptiy batterie. |
| 11:49.53 | valdyn | pog: u can see that when starting it again |
| 11:50.14 | valdyn | pog: if it crashed it will tell you, if it didnt not, then there wont be a message |
| 11:50.29 | pog | it didn't seem to start. After hanging on the Adapter, it worked again, later. |
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| 11:50.48 | pog | ah it can be seen when it was a crash. |
| 11:50.50 | SpeedEvil | pog: Do you know what a shellscript is? |
| 11:50.55 | pog | yes |
| 11:51.11 | pog | I know Linux rather well. |
| 11:51.18 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management |
| 11:51.32 | pog | thanks, I will have a look at that. |
| 11:51.34 | SpeedEvil | An unpolished script - I hope to release a nice version of trhis this week to extras |
| 11:51.35 | SpeedEvil | Also |
| 11:51.46 | SpeedEvil | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption |
| 11:51.51 | valdyn | pog: low battery will trigger a clean shutdown |
| 11:52.00 | pog | it will help me, thanks a lot |
| 11:52.32 | pog | o.k. then I can see, that the shutdown was o.k., if there is no error... |
| 11:52.56 | valdyn | pog: on top of that, whenever *my* n900 crashes i have to remove the battery |
| 11:53.15 | pog | may be, it's even possible to write a message in this case. |
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| 11:53.43 | pog | I is well possible, that it was a power problem. |
| 11:54.09 | pog | otherwise, my N900 runs reliably. |
| 11:54.12 | crashanddie | lcukn900: well, the app could have its own user/group that has the permissions to write in a specific directory |
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| 11:54.35 | valdyn | pog: my n900 crashes due to some pressure, in my pocket, not otherwise |
| 11:54.54 | crashanddie | it crashes due to pressure? |
| 11:55.02 | crashanddie | What is it? A problem with its bladder? |
| 11:55.13 | pog | ah, that's not so good. |
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| 11:56.25 | pog | I got a extra box for the N900, I hope this avoids the pressure problems... |
| 11:57.19 | SpeedEvil | Pressure problems indicate a loose joint somehere thart is not likely to get better |
| 11:57.22 | pog | I might also be a contact with the batterie which fails, when moving the device. |
| 11:57.25 | SpeedEvil | Or maybe loose battery contacts |
| 11:57.28 | SpeedEvil | I've had that |
| 11:57.38 | jacekowski | valdyn: not exactly clean shutdown |
| 11:57.47 | SpeedEvil | with a tiny screwdriver, press the battery contacts a little towards the middle. |
| 11:57.53 | SpeedEvil | So they grab the pins more firmly |
| 11:58.22 | valdyn | SpeedEvil: i always have to remove the battery after such a crash |
| 11:58.55 | SpeedEvil | valdyn: hmm. I'd say the first then. |
| 11:59.30 | valdyn | maybe ill just return it before warranty is over |
| 11:59.45 | jacekowski | yep |
| 11:59.49 | jacekowski | try flashing it first |
| 12:00.47 | valdyn | either way the n900 has to many places where dust creeps in, maybe its just that |
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| 12:02.17 | jacekowski | but somebody already had that problem |
| 12:02.24 | jacekowski | that phone doesn't shut down correctly |
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| 12:02.48 | valdyn | it does shut down correctly |
| 12:02.57 | valdyn | just not when it crashes |
| 12:03.49 | valdyn | and it doesnt crash without physical contact or pressure of some kind that only happens when like sitting on it |
| 12:04.15 | jacekowski | it may be crack on pcb |
| 12:04.17 | jacekowski | or something |
| 12:04.17 | valdyn | jeans + n900 = always some pressure, but i cant reproduce it reliably |
| 12:08.48 | valdyn | thanks for the hints.. |
| 12:09.13 | jacekowski | try flashing it |
| 12:09.18 | jacekowski | it may be just something ellse |
| 12:09.21 | jacekowski | else* |
| 12:09.25 | jacekowski | and if that doesn't help |
| 12:09.31 | jacekowski | then send it back |
| 12:12.15 | crashanddie | you sit on your phone? |
| 12:12.30 | crashanddie | Depending on your weight, I'd understand the phone crashes. |
| 12:12.52 | Appiah_ | :D |
| 12:14.07 | crashanddie | starts writing MyChair and uploads it to devel. A software protective shield for all you phat geeks who sit on your phone, and have too much flab to feel it. |
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| 12:15.06 | jacktheripper | apple is releasing the iSit very soon |
| 12:15.57 | SpeedEvil | There are ways round that problem. iButtPlug |
| 12:16.28 | crashanddie | "If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?" |
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| 12:40.59 | Antonis | hello. I would like to ask something, I am using ubuntu is it possible to take a source app that I run on ubuntu and compile it to use on N900 running maemo? |
| 12:42.01 | Stskeeps | with qt, maybe |
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| 12:42.29 | genewitch | l5test |
| 12:42.37 | Antonis | so i cant just take let's say xchat, cand compile it in my phone to get it running as it is? |
| 12:42.39 | SpeedEvil | In principle, yes. |
| 12:42.44 | SpeedEvil | apt-get install xchat |
| 12:43.10 | SpeedEvil | You can compile GTK/QT apps, and they 'just' work. |
| 12:43.14 | Antonis | is apt-get working on maemo? sorry if I ask dumb questions but I see maemo as another distro.. I don't know if it's debian based or not |
| 12:43.17 | SpeedEvil | For various values of work. |
| 12:43.27 | SpeedEvil | xchat is in extras |
| 12:44.34 | Antonis | nice! is there a list of what packages that are included in the repos? (both enabled and disabled (if any)) |
| 12:44.40 | Antonis | is it maemo.org/packages ? |
| 12:44.55 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 12:44.59 | SpeedEvil | IIRC |
| 12:46.09 | Antonis | thank you. I would also like to see a list of phones running maemo as I only know of Nokia N900 atm :\ is there a better one? what phones do you own? |
| 12:46.59 | SpeedEvil | only n900 |
| 12:47.00 | liori | Antonis: your list seems to be complete |
| 12:47.35 | Antonis | oh :p |
| 12:47.45 | Antonis | okay then! thanks |
| 12:48.14 | psycho_oreos | expecting maemo to work on some other devices? lol |
| 12:49.31 | kerio | a list of phones? |
| 12:49.36 | kerio | the n900 is not a phone |
| 12:50.22 | psycho_oreos | problem is that when a device has phone capability, people assume its a phone |
| 12:50.39 | psycho_oreos | especially small handheld devices |
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| 12:50.53 | kerio | the n900 *has* a phone |
| 12:51.00 | liori | phone: noun, an instrument for reproducing sounds at a distance; specifically : one in which sound is converted into electrical impulses for transmission (as by wire or radio waves) |
| 12:51.10 | kerio | it's right there as phonet0 |
| 12:51.27 | kerio | liori: so a computer is a phone? |
| 12:51.45 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Go away. It's sold as a phone, it's a phone. Move on. |
| 12:51.51 | psycho_oreos | wireless dongles/cards would also be deemed as a phone ;) |
| 12:52.07 | psycho_oreos | bluetooth, 3G/HSDPA/HSUPA/etc |
| 12:52.27 | liori | kerio: yes, of course, as long as it has software... |
| 12:54.02 | Antonis | nokia does sell it as a phone so I call it a phone :P |
| 12:54.28 | kerio | the n900 integrates a screenless phone |
| 12:54.43 | kerio | that's used to route audio calls and gprs data |
| 12:54.56 | Antonis | I am just affraid that 256MB of ram isn't enough |
| 12:55.26 | liori | Antonis: you just made me feel old |
| 12:55.50 | Antonis | lol, why is that? |
| 12:56.21 | liori | i used to do quite a lot on a 1MB machine |
| 12:56.51 | SpeedEvil | 256M is fine. |
| 12:56.54 | SpeedEvil | More would benicer. |
| 12:56.55 | psycho_oreos | 256MB RAM with 768MB swap that sits on Flash based memory and you're saying its not enough? |
| 12:57.04 | SpeedEvil | But the problems are not RAM based |
| 12:57.17 | oscillik | does anyone know how to clear the cache for the email application? it literally takes 20 seconds to open an email now, and it never used to :( |
| 12:57.28 | kerio | Modest is pure crap |
| 12:57.58 | oscillik | indeed it is. within the first few days after i reflash, it was quick. opened an email in 2-3 secs. now it takes upwards of 20-30secs |
| 12:58.10 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: in other words, just 256 MB |
| 12:58.18 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: flash memory is SLOW |
| 12:58.45 | luke-jr | Antonis: Nokia *doesn't* sell it as a phone⦠|
| 12:58.55 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Bullshit |
| 12:58.58 | luke-jr | at least nowhere I've seen |
| 12:59.14 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, it isn't that bad, it could just be pure 256MB like iphone 3/3G and you'll have to put up with killed applications/quitting applications because there simply isn't enough RAM no? |
| 12:59.18 | luke-jr | their site says |
| 12:59.22 | luke-jr | "mobile computer" |
| 12:59.31 | kerio | hugs luke-jr |
| 12:59.37 | luke-jr | psycho_oreos: not sure which is worse |
| 12:59.38 | SpeedEvil | http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/all-phones/nokia-n900?intc=estore-fw-ilc-bdy-con-na-nokiacom-gb-6-brandn900_228x96 |
| 12:59.57 | SpeedEvil | Page title. 'buy the nokia n900 mobile phone here' |
| 13:00.05 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, I think 256MB RAM with no ability to setup swap is worse |
| 13:00.17 | psycho_oreos | luke-jr, try n95-1 (non-NAM version) |
| 13:01.23 | luke-jr | cute |
| 13:01.31 | luke-jr | N900 isn't even listed in Nokia USA's store anymore |
| 13:01.56 | SpeedEvil | haha. |
| 13:02.00 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ovi.com/services/ |
| 13:02.08 | SpeedEvil | Still pimps 'files' |
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| 13:02.45 | luke-jr | the rest of the uk page says "mobile computer" |
| 13:02.51 | luke-jr | I think the phone bit was an error |
| 13:03.03 | SpeedEvil | It is sold as a phoneby many carriers. |
| 13:03.15 | luke-jr | haha yeah right |
| 13:03.23 | luke-jr | like I'm going to believe carriers sell N900 |
| 13:03.29 | oscillik | yes |
| 13:03.30 | oscillik | they do |
| 13:03.34 | oscillik | Vodafone sells it |
| 13:03.38 | Stskeeps | luke-jr: in US, maybe not |
| 13:03.40 | luke-jr | wtf is Vodafone? :P |
| 13:03.48 | oscillik | UK mobile phone network |
| 13:03.49 | FIQ|n900 | some nordic operator |
| 13:03.51 | Antonis | in sweden telenor (vodafone) sells it |
| 13:03.52 | FIQ|n900 | and eu |
| 13:03.52 | oscillik | the first one here in the UK |
| 13:03.57 | Antonis | and I think Comviq does as well |
| 13:04.14 | luke-jr | in any case, those companies do *phone service* |
| 13:04.21 | luke-jr | of course they're going to stress it as a "phone" |
| 13:04.31 | psycho_oreos | http://maemo.nokia.com/n900/specifications/ |
| 13:04.33 | liori | orange planned to sell it in poland, but they changed their mind |
| 13:04.34 | oscillik | luke-jr: what about the dell streak? |
| 13:04.38 | kerio | h3g ita does sell it |
| 13:04.55 | Stskeeps | liori: then again n900 is fairly expensive for a typical pole pay.. |
| 13:05.37 | luke-jr | oscillik: what about it |
| 13:05.53 | oscillik | it's sold by carriers over here, and that's not a phone |
| 13:05.57 | liori | Stskeeps: this is not a device for typical person |
| 13:06.26 | Stskeeps | yeah, that i know |
| 13:06.26 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 13:06.56 | liori | and IT people earn more even in poland :-) |
| 13:07.10 | kerio | because a typical person would use a mobile phone |
| 13:08.06 | luke-jr | kerio: there's more cell phones than people in the world IIRC :P |
| 13:08.34 | kerio | last i heard, italy's cellphones/people avg. was at like 6 |
| 13:10.18 | oscillik | i have three |
| 13:15.44 | jacekowski | Stskeeps: cheaper than iphone but more people have iphone |
| 13:15.55 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 13:16.12 | kerio | the iphone is hip |
| 13:16.20 | Stskeeps | i guess it says a lot about the attitude when most commercials for these type of products come with "X zt per month" announcements instead of the whole price.. |
| 13:16.21 | kerio | it's also a phone |
| 13:16.53 | Antonis | is it possible to run meego on n900? |
| 13:16.57 | jacekowski | but the thing is that same contract with same phone costs 50% mroe in poland |
| 13:16.59 | jacekowski | Antonis: yes |
| 13:17.30 | jacekowski | and apple stuff sometimes costs 3x as much as everywhere else |
| 13:17.38 | psycho_oreos | that's normal |
| 13:18.21 | Antonis | jacekowski, is it something like an upgrade or? I mean if I buy n900 it will run maemo 5. how can I install meego? |
| 13:18.40 | psycho_oreos | I think you'll find it will cost x amounts over the normal pricing compared to buying it direct from the source of manufacture :p |
| 13:18.44 | jacekowski | Antonis: google |
| 13:19.02 | jacekowski | Antonis: but it's not going to be supported |
| 13:19.26 | jacekowski | psycho_oreos: you still need a contract |
| 13:19.30 | psycho_oreos | and its not complete |
| 13:19.50 | psycho_oreos | jacekowski, yes, no diff, that's typical of apple's stance ;) |
| 13:19.51 | jacekowski | and here contract with 400minutes and texts and internet costs £25 which would be around 110zl |
| 13:20.27 | jacekowski | bah t-mobile is doing £10/mo with internet and 60 minutes and texts |
| 13:27.34 | Antonis | N900 is a handset |
| 13:27.35 | Antonis | :P |
| 13:28.20 | valdyn | Antonis: meego is not useful right now |
| 13:28.27 | valdyn | Antonis: except for developers |
| 13:29.08 | oscillik | i'm on giffgaff |
| 13:29.13 | Antonis | valdyn, yeap I read about it.. but i also read that it will not be supported or released for n900. |
| 13:29.27 | Antonis | Only a developer version will be |
| 13:29.33 | Antonis | or is |
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| 13:38.21 | Ken-Young | DOes anyone know of a way to see the distribution of 1, 2 .. 5 star ratings for an individual app in the Extras repository? |
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| 13:52.29 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: how so? |
| 13:54.12 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, I'm just wondering if there is a way to see the distribution of different star ratings a particular app listed on memo.org has. |
| 13:54.26 | Ken-Young | s/memo.org/maemo.org/ |
| 13:54.34 | crashanddie | Ken-Young: based on the versions of a specific app? |
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| 13:56.22 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, maemo.org shows a sort of graphic representation of the average number of stars users have given an app in their ratings. It also lists how many ratings have been issued. I was hoping there was a way to find the number of 1, 2, 3, 4 and 5 star ratings there were, that produced the average shown." |
| 13:56.41 | crashanddie | ah |
| 13:56.46 | crashanddie | not available AFAIK |
| 13:57.16 | Ken-Young | crashanddie, OK, thanks. It's certainly not an important thing. I was just curious. |
| 13:57.54 | RST38h | a'ok |
| 13:58.07 | RST38h | what is new and exciting? |
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| 14:01.58 | vHanda | Quick Question : Hermes doesn't seem to import my facebook contact birthdays. I checked and it's a reported bug. |
| 14:02.06 | GAN900 | wants an A15 for his file server. |
| 14:02.36 | vHanda | I cloned the source code. Would I have to get the whole maemo sdk. If I want to work on hermes? |
| 14:03.00 | vHanda | I have a couple of spare hours. I thought I'll try to fix the bug :) |
| 14:04.45 | crashanddie | hahaha http://www.koreus.com/video/pasteque-face.html |
| 14:04.56 | GAN900 | Why do people come to bookstores and ask for Kindles? |
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| 14:19.04 | GAN900 | Holy piece of shit |
| 14:19.17 | RST38h | "kindle" = "ebook reader" |
| 14:19.20 | GAN900 | Can't unlock this thing without entering swap hell. |
| 14:19.26 | RST38h | like "google", you know... |
| 14:19.42 | RST38h | GAN: swappiness to 30, quit ham |
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| 14:22.00 | Jaffa | RST38h: Where's the value for swappiness again? |
| 14:22.55 | RST38h | a moment |
| 14:23.32 | RST38h | Jaffa: /etc/init.d/rcS |
| 14:24.13 | jacekowski | <PROTECTED> |
| 14:24.36 | Jaffa | RST38h: jacekowski: thanks |
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| 14:26.48 | petteri | is there any way to force application to fullscreen when using X forwaring. I use spotify from my desktop, but the search form is under the left corner menu (where clock and stuff are) |
| 14:27.11 | SpeedEvil | -geom |
| 14:27.13 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 14:27.25 | petteri | -geom? tell me more? |
| 14:28.21 | SpeedEvil | http://www.xfree86.org/current/X.7.html#sect6 |
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| 14:57.47 | lcuk | Khertan_, !! |
| 14:59.15 | frals | lcuk !! |
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| 14:59.58 | lcuk | afternoon frals |
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| 15:00.10 | frals | ello |
| 15:00.11 | frals | hows you? |
| 15:00.53 | lcuk | I am ok, had a (cut short) visit to the Manchester Museum of Science and Technology with Tracy n Jake |
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| 15:04.16 | GAN900 | Those are always fun. |
| 15:04.24 | GAN900 | Minus the cutting of the durationing. |
| 15:06.00 | lcuk | GAN900, yeah - theres loads to see and play with - plus theres trains, so its actually easy to convince jake to go |
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| 15:06.13 | frals | :D |
| 15:07.13 | GAN900 | Sounds like we could use the same incentive for frals. |
| 15:07.55 | lcuk | theres a trout museum in Helsinki :P |
| 15:08.30 | lcuk | I dunno how, but I had not seen the textiles area last time I went |
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| 15:08.46 | lcuk | they had an awesome Jacquard loom which took punch cards |
| 15:08.56 | lcuk | got photos and will decode them |
| 15:09.02 | GAN900 | The one on Baltimore has a massive barb- and razor-wire collection. |
| 15:09.06 | GAN900 | Complete history. |
| 15:09.34 | GAN900 | Didn't /. have a story about punchcard looms the other day? |
| 15:09.39 | lcuk | idk |
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| 15:13.41 | lcuk | GAN900, i hope thats one collection thats not really hands on! |
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| 15:23.13 | lcuk | a rather generic look at application installation and updates |
| 15:23.16 | lcuk | http://blogs.gnome.org/hughsie/2010/09/07/linux-and-application-installing/ |
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| 15:26.20 | BluesLee | how do i switch to the phone storage of the sim card? |
| 15:27.38 | kerio | for what? |
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| 15:28.31 | GAN900 | Contacts? |
| 15:28.47 | GAN900 | Why would you want to store on SIM? |
| 15:28.52 | kerio | you can access them from the contacts |
| 15:28.59 | kerio | menu->groups->SIM |
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| 15:33.47 | lcuk | GAN900, technically contacts stored on sim are easier to switch between devices (switch sim, contacts go with it etc) |
| 15:33.56 | lcuk | but the contacts on n900 are more advanced and stuff |
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| 15:44.51 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, there's no method in maemo to store contacts to SIM, that I know of |
| 15:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | just import _from_ SIM |
| 15:46.18 | DocScrutinizer | you *might* be able to edit SIM contacts using Kandy or gnokii |
| 15:46.56 | DocScrutinizer | or via pnatd, the generic way :-P |
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| 16:00.52 | DocScrutinizer | ponders idly to write an exploit for http://www.adobe.com/support/security/bulletins/apsb10-14.html maemo |
| 16:01.18 | jaska | and make free phone calls?:) |
| 16:03.12 | DocScrutinizer | Seems it really needs an exploit out in the wild, for Nokia starts feeling like getting active |
| 16:04.22 | DocScrutinizer | or has there been any security fix update to flashplayer on maemo that I missed? |
| 16:07.51 | SpeedEvil | Which will lead to PR1.3 that removes flash |
| 16:08.02 | DocScrutinizer | timeless: this security advisory is ~10 weeks old now. Are you aware of any action Nokia is planing to address this vulnerability? |
| 16:08.32 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: heh :-P |
| 16:10.27 | Gh0sty | pr1.3 ? which will come out AFTER duke nukem forever is released? :p |
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| 16:13.46 | DocScrutinizer | Gh0sty: exactly :-P |
| 16:15.45 | RST38h | You mean, after pr1.3 removes flash all the |
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| 16:16.00 | GAN900 | Ha |
| 16:16.04 | GAN900 | FIXED |
| 16:16.06 | RST38h | sepeople will stop whining about lack of flash10 support? |
| 16:16.12 | GAN900 | We dropped Flash. |
| 16:18.13 | kerio | Gh0sty: huh? DNF will be released in 2011 |
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| 16:18.50 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: honestly, even a hotfix from Nokia disabling flash all together - **until proper measure (update to flash10.1.53.64) is taken** - would be much better, than just ignoring the issue completely |
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| 16:20.49 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, yes, but this is NOKIA. |
| 16:21.17 | DocScrutinizer | GAN900: while Nokia never promised to support and develop maemo beyond what you got when buying the device, I think they still are liable for fixing critical vulnerabilities in their products |
| 16:21.50 | RST38h | Doc: Apparently, Nokia never even promised to make Cut&Paste work in Modest |
| 16:22.17 | RST38h | Doc: So, looks like relying on Nokia promising anything is kinda fruitless |
| 16:22.48 | DocScrutinizer | means users could sue them for all damage suffered from some exploit using this flash vulnerability |
| 16:23.09 | RST38h | You can, of course, sue Nokia, but why? |
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| 16:24.41 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: *I* won't do that. I said *users* caould, and I don't know *why* they usually do |
| 16:24.56 | Gh0sty | users won't buy it anymore |
| 16:25.03 | Gh0sty | and there goes a good product ... |
| 16:25.19 | RST38h | Doc: Users will (and do) take the easier route |
| 16:25.28 | RST38h | Doc: They are buying Android |
| 16:28.19 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: buying andridiot device won't pay the carrier bill of any N900 user who suffered an exploit of flash vulnerability and found his phone calling 0900-* premium charged numbers without him noticing |
| 16:29.19 | RST38h | Doc: But it will prevent that from happening again and provide the user with reasonable support for his newdevice |
| 16:29.42 | DocScrutinizer | maybe, but that's not exactly the point of my rant |
| 16:31.16 | RST38h | Doc: Your rant is about Nokia absolutely having to update N900 Flash player NOW |
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| 16:31.37 | RST38h | Doc: You know the answer to that - No. We do not care. We do not have to. We are the phone company. |
| 16:31.43 | DocScrutinizer | yes, or at least take any other action to cope with the threat |
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| 16:31.50 | RST38h | Doc: So there is no reason to rant, won't change a thing |
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| 16:33.57 | sevard | AAAArggg I have a blue light flashing on my n810 and it won't go away. No applications open, no updates available, not logged into chat, i reboot and it come back after boot. any suggestions? |
| 16:36.10 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: use dbus-monitor started during boot, to find out which process is sending a comand to mce to start that blue flashing |
| 16:38.25 | RST38h | desperately wants Oolite for N900 |
| 16:38.35 | Stskeeps | OOlite? |
| 16:38.50 | Stskeeps | ah |
| 16:38.56 | DocScrutinizer | might be any process started during boot that thinks there's something new (an unread mail or anything) that needs blue flashing to signal to user about it, then later this process quits ungracefully and mce never gets notice to stop the blue flashing |
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| 16:41.31 | sevard | DocScrutinizer: what.. should dbus be saying |
| 16:41.36 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: also mce itself might got confused, check mce.ini file if it maybe was changed in a way mce doesn't like |
| 16:45.02 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: something like `dbus-monitor --system | grep -C15 led_pattern |
| 16:45.28 | DocScrutinizer | sevard: refer to http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-activate-led |
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| 16:58.11 | GAN900 | RST38h, I know aegidian and Ahruman from Redline. |
| 16:58.20 | GAN900 | RST38h, I guess I need to convince them. |
| 16:59.06 | sevard | yessss |
| 16:59.13 | sevard | <3 DocScrutinizer |
| 16:59.36 | RST38h | Oolite is written in that horrible ObjectiveC thing andrequires the whole OpenNeXTstep framework |
| 16:59.55 | RST38h | So, not sure how easy it will be to port... |
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| 17:05.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | sevard: so what's been the cause? |
| 17:08.31 | GAN900 | RST38h, ah, right, forgot about that. |
| 17:08.50 | GAN900 | Perhaps if you buy them both N900s and give them about $10k. |
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| 17:10.14 | `Francesca_Lucch | does n900 have any good headsets with controller"? |
| 17:11.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 17:12.42 | RST38h | ...or simply run Spectrumversion on Speccy... |
| 17:13.40 | DocScrutinizer | ehh? |
| 17:13.44 | `Francesca_Lucch | ï½ï½ï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½ãï½ï½ï½
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| 17:14.06 | DocScrutinizer | `Francesca_Lucch: stop that! |
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| 17:14.24 | `Francesca_Lucch | stop what ? |
| 17:14.41 | `Francesca_Lucch | dont tell me youre client dont support it |
| 17:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=799047#post799047 |
| 17:14.56 | RST38h | it does not |
| 17:14.57 | `Francesca_Lucch | utf-8 show and encode |
| 17:15.10 | DocScrutinizer | `Francesca_Lucch: simply stop it |
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| 17:16.23 | `Francesca_Lucch | lame |
| 17:16.25 | `Francesca_Lucch | ohwell |
| 17:16.30 | DocScrutinizer | btw ""that sux ive reade blutooth once suck to"" doesn't make any sense at all, not to talk about spelling |
| 17:16.36 | `Francesca_Lucch | seems i go for headphones only |
| 17:17.00 | `Francesca_Lucch | well sorry my english is not perfect |
| 17:17.06 | `Francesca_Lucch | its not even 10% |
| 17:17.20 | `Francesca_Lucch | im only dutch afterall |
| 17:18.14 | `Francesca_Lucch | so is there no plugin that can fix the headset controllers ? |
| 17:18.26 | RST38h | no. |
| 17:19.09 | `Francesca_Lucch | darn i thought nokia would add something to support it , its a nokia afterall |
| 17:19.25 | RST38h | no. |
| 17:22.25 | Dassu | I remember reading about some deamon that could bind those keys. Just search the forums |
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| 17:27.58 | DocScrutinizer51 | Dassu: not for wired headsets. For BT it actually should work |
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| 17:31.07 | DocScrutinizer | refer to tmo post, link above |
| 17:31.08 | `Francesca_Lucch | so bt headsets work humm |
| 17:31.35 | `Francesca_Lucch | tobad the bd once are crap |
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| 17:36.10 | johns | Hu |
| 17:36.18 | merlin1991 | hey, since today my n900 tells me "network connection error, try again?" whenever I try to connect to a wireless network, gprs/umts works though, anywhere I can get a more decent error message? |
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| 17:36.59 | lcuk | hey merline i saw on #liqbase to see #maemo :P |
| 17:36.59 | kerio | try ifupping it |
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| 17:37.36 | lcuk | merlin1991, retry as suggested, if it still doesnt work, reboot and pop out the battery and spin device around 270degrees |
| 17:37.41 | lcuk | the spinning is important |
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| 17:38.45 | skibur | hello |
| 17:38.50 | merlin1991 | hm sudo ifup wlan0 --> ifup ignoring unkown interface wlan0 |
| 17:39.06 | skibur | Just a very simple question. |
| 17:39.26 | skibur | Anybody running OS2008 on there N800? |
| 17:40.22 | tank-man | skibur, isnt that the latest one for n800? |
| 17:40.24 | tank-man | i am |
| 17:40.46 | skibur | Diablo would be the latest |
| 17:41.04 | tank-man | yea i have that |
| 17:41.13 | tank-man | survey done ? :) |
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| 17:42.06 | skibur | ok |
| 17:42.59 | merlin1991 | hm kerio, ifup eth0 --> ifup: don't seem to have all the variables for eth0/inet |
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| 17:46.16 | merlin1991 | any ideas what I could try, except flashing? |
| 17:46.28 | lcuk | reboot |
| 17:46.31 | lcuk | battery out etc |
| 17:46.42 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, (reading scrollback) don't be a fucktart |
| 17:46.44 | lcuk | d |
| 17:47.02 | DocScrutinizer | what? |
| 17:47.07 | merlin1991 | btw all I can think of what I did regarding networking, was playing around with /etc/resolv.conf a bit |
| 17:47.24 | lcuk | your suggestion earlier. |
| 17:48.02 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, but seems you need to elaborate |
| 17:49.03 | lcuk | nahh i will let you decide which one of your suggestions I would feel so strongly against |
| 17:49.23 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, I'll fail on that task |
| 17:49.58 | merlin1991 | ~flashing |
| 17:49.58 | infobot | from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware |
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| 17:53.28 | felipec | kulve: ping |
| 17:54.59 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I hope you don't consider writing and publishing an exploit PoC without rogue payload a fucktard thing |
| 17:55.23 | felipec | anyone has any idea where to get powertop? |
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| 17:56.20 | SpeedEvil | felipec: http://maemo.org/packages/view/powertop/ |
| 17:56.44 | SpeedEvil | You may or may not find http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management#Powertop useful too |
| 17:56.44 | DocScrutinizer | ok, SpeedEvil was faster than me. |
| 17:57.26 | felipec | hmm, I thought I had enabled extras-devel |
| 17:57.32 | DocScrutinizer | anyway, maybe it helps for something: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=491333#post491333 |
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| 18:03.51 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: thanks, but I guess the one in extras-devel should be the latest one |
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| 18:05.45 | DocScrutinizer | sure |
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| 18:16.01 | merlin1991 | flashed, lets see if it helps |
| 18:17.01 | felipec | hmm, I get crashes with powertop |
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| 18:20.15 | lcuk | felipec, hmm |
| 18:20.19 | lcuk | which build? |
| 18:20.54 | felipec | 1.13.3 |
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| 18:22.42 | SpeedEvil | You're not overclocking? |
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| 18:23.09 | SpeedEvil | Powrertop is as far as I'm aware doing nothing more than reading various /proc and /sys files |
| 18:23.14 | SpeedEvil | Itr does nothing 'invasive' |
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| 18:24.34 | bef0rd | :) hi |
| 18:25.26 | bef0rd | I just formated the internal mmc by mistake :P is it possible to get the 'default nokia files' somehow? |
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| 18:26.18 | felipec | SpeedEvil: nope, no overclocking |
| 18:26.55 | SpeedEvil | Off. |
| 18:26.57 | SpeedEvil | Odd |
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| 18:38.59 | rtyler | howdy everybody, I'm wondering if anybody is syncing calendars from remote providers like Yahoo or Google with their maemo 5 devices? |
| 18:39.25 | Arkenoi | i do |
| 18:39.26 | Arkenoi | google |
| 18:39.36 | rtyler | Arkenoi: are you using GPE Calendar or something else? |
| 18:39.38 | Arkenoi | via MfE and Nuevasync |
| 18:39.54 | Arkenoi | no, just default calendar |
| 18:39.58 | rtyler | interesting |
| 18:40.02 | rtyler | what's MfE short for? |
| 18:40.18 | jacekowski | mail for exchange |
| 18:40.28 | jacekowski | ~mfe |
| 18:40.34 | rtyler | ah, I see: http://wiki.nuevasync.com/wiki/bin/view/Public/maemoConfiguration |
| 18:40.41 | jacekowski | ~MfE is Mail for Exchange |
| 18:40.42 | infobot | okay, jacekowski |
| 18:40.43 | jacekowski | ~mfe |
| 18:40.43 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mfe is Mail for Exchange |
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| 18:40.49 | rtyler | heh |
| 18:41.08 | rtyler | Arkenoi: and you trust nuevasync with your information like that o_O |
| 18:41.16 | jacekowski | ~tmo |
| 18:41.16 | infobot | i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic |
| 18:41.35 | jacekowski | ~mohammadag |
| 18:41.35 | infobot | extra, extra, read all about it, mohammadag is a package maintainer that would jump off a cliff if crashanddie asked him to |
| 18:41.41 | rtyler | ouch, I got the buzzer sooner than expected |
| 18:42.00 | Arkenoi | rtyler: kind of. i have no other options ;-) |
| 18:42.30 | rtyler | so I suppose if I can find a way to setup an exchange-server that does forwarding of calendaring/contacts for my accounts, I'd be set |
| 18:42.33 | Arkenoi | there is syncevolution but i was unable to get it working |
| 18:42.52 | Arkenoi | some obscure errors on google side and that's all |
| 18:43.11 | Arkenoi | and direct MfE sync does not work as well |
| 18:43.54 | rtyler | direct to an exchange server? or direct to google? |
| 18:43.56 | Arkenoi | rtyler, if you know how to sync your exchange with your remote provider, it should work |
| 18:44.16 | Arkenoi | rtyler, direct to google, i have no exchange |
| 18:44.23 | rtyler | nods |
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| 18:46.11 | rtyler | jacekowski: so I suppose besides the MfE hack you don't have any other ideas for sync? |
| 18:46.23 | rtyler | thinks syncevolution might be a bridge too far |
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| 18:55.09 | `Francesca_Lucch | humm seems n900 has lots trouble connecting to a windows 7 system |
| 18:55.19 | `Francesca_Lucch | onlyone that works always is the memory card |
| 18:55.27 | ShadowJK | what the hell does "connecting to <any> system" actually mean? |
| 18:55.37 | `Francesca_Lucch | but not the pc suite or the massa memory |
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| 18:57.07 | niekvlessert | how can i make my phone recieve a message through bluetooth when entering bluetooth range? |
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| 19:01.06 | bef0rd | `Francesca_Lucch, I was able to connect it to a Windows 7 Professional x64 with Ovi Suite |
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| 19:01.44 | `Francesca_Lucch | well it worked the 1st 20 times with connecting |
| 19:02.00 | `Francesca_Lucch | the icons came up under "my computer" |
| 19:02.12 | `Francesca_Lucch | but latly it dont |
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| 19:44.13 | heyya | what can the IR feature be used for besides controlling tvs? |
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| 19:44.45 | Pavel | heyya: I've used it on cameras as well. |
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| 19:46.04 | SpeedEvil | I use it for controlling elephants. |
| 19:48.24 | heyya | lol, what else? |
| 19:49.28 | jacekowski | blind cameras with night vision |
| 19:49.36 | jacekowski | so you can sneak past them without being recorded |
| 19:49.57 | jacekowski | so when you steal stuff at night all they have is just nothing |
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| 19:52.27 | heyya | i dont think the IR port on the n900 is very powerful |
| 19:52.30 | heyya | in terms of output |
| 19:53.40 | jacekowski | enough to make your face invisible to the camera |
| 19:56.04 | niekvlessert | re there docs about provisioning an maemo phone through sms? |
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| 19:58.55 | crashanddie | My girlfriend just did the best lapsus ever |
| 19:59.00 | crashanddie | Right in front of my grand-aunt |
| 19:59.12 | crashanddie | I ask "You wanna go upstairs?" |
| 19:59.29 | crashanddie | She replies "You wanna f[stutter]uck-Finish 'Finder's Fee'?" |
| 19:59.58 | crashanddie | luckily, my grand aunt doesn't really understand English all that well. |
| 20:01.51 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 20:04.08 | niekvlessert | i want to provision wifi+sip settings through sms and it shouldn't matter what brand your phone is. Is that even possible? |
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| 20:23.44 | jacekowski | niekvlessert: no |
| 20:23.53 | jacekowski | niekvlessert: most phones don't do sip |
| 20:24.01 | jacekowski | and lot of them have no wifi |
| 20:24.11 | niekvlessert | you'll be suprised how many do these days... |
| 20:24.35 | niekvlessert | nobody uses it, but that's something else |
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| 20:32.28 | ShadowJK | Whenever a new phone comes out it takes a few weeks before my operator has realized it and created settings for it |
| 20:32.37 | ShadowJK | so that makes me think it's all per-device |
| 20:32.49 | ShadowJK | instead of a generic format for settings |
| 20:33.04 | ShadowJK | I think N900 doesn't receive settings well :P |
| 20:33.12 | ShadowJK | I only got some broken WAP settings from my operator |
| 20:33.21 | ShadowJK | whereas with my E75 I even got SIP settings :-) |
| 20:38.07 | niekvlessert | you got SIP settings? great stuff |
| 20:38.18 | niekvlessert | i think those messages are kinda standard |
| 20:38.35 | niekvlessert | providers can't support all phones and all firmwares all the time |
| 20:38.42 | niekvlessert | so i guess it's the other way around |
| 20:38.57 | niekvlessert | the phone creators just should make 'm work |
| 20:40.09 | heyya | jacekowski: which app turns on the IR port to try this blinding? |
| 20:41.45 | ShadowJK | There's an app for controlling digital cameras too |
| 20:41.46 | ShadowJK | iirc |
| 20:48.24 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yep, it's been revealed by german mag c't some years ago. All cmos cam chips have some IR decoder implemented in chip firmware/hardware, to control such things like freeze-frame, blackout whole picture or parts of it, even upload artifact frame data to expose via freeze-frame after upload finished. It's said the American CIA or NSA has a secret agreement with chip manufs for doing this |
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| 20:50.01 | ShadowJK | actually cameras come with remotes these days |
| 20:51.19 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: this is another channel to control the sensor chip directly though. Usable on virtually every surveillance cam, if you have the right remote control to send the IR codes directly to the sensor |
| 20:51.46 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
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| 21:02.14 | `Francesca_Lucch | humm solarwolf game dont work can anyone help me? |
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| 21:11.14 | GAN900 | DocScrutinizer, they tested this? |
| 21:12.50 | DocScrutinizer | they published an app that used those IR commands directed to CMOS cam chip. Alas I think it was the mag issue of end of March, 1st of April ;-D |
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| 21:27.18 | nox- | moin |
| 21:27.53 | DocScrutinizer | moin |
| 21:28.15 | nox- | moin DocScrutinizer |
| 21:29.16 | GAN900 | is out of cookies. :( |
| 21:30.57 | MNZ51 | evening folks |
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| 21:35.03 | heyya | DocScrutinizer, lol I just read all of that, and then april 1st tagline bologne! |
| 21:35.04 | heyya | haha |
| 21:35.15 | heyya | or punchline, rather |
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| 21:50.48 | crashanddie | what the fuck are you on about? |
| 21:51.47 | MNZ51 | does it matter? |
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| 22:05.01 | felipec | is there a tool to measure the battery drain? |
| 22:07.21 | Stskeeps | felipec: FTD, possibly |
| 22:07.32 | Stskeeps | well, or the community tools for battery graphing |
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| 22:08.50 | felipec | Stskeeps: right, but I don't need graphing, just measure the drain in say one minute (or a configurable period of time) |
| 22:09.03 | Stskeeps | :nod: |
| 22:09.19 | Stskeeps | i would cook up something with libbmeipc personally |
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| 22:16.29 | DocScrutinizer | I wouldn't give a sh... about bme lies and rather use values from bq27200 directly |
| 22:17.37 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: but that module is only available in special kernels, right? |
| 22:17.54 | DocScrutinizer | nope, you can read out via I2Ctools |
| 22:18.09 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's another method |
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| 22:19.03 | DocScrutinizer | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powerscript |
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| 22:19.40 | SpeedEvil | felipe: that does 5s, as the hardware is 5s period |
| 22:20.00 | SpeedEvil | It seems to idle at around 6mA load - if you redirect to a file |
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| 22:20.44 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi, |
| 22:20.54 | GNUtoo|laptop | I've the lastest kernel source and it still does that: |
| 22:20.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://pastebin.com/6dFgLE9f |
| 22:21.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | with the rx51 maemo defconfig |
| 22:21.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | kernel was from http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ |
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| 22:23.33 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: SpeedEvil: yeap, that seems to be what I want |
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| 22:28.32 | itsME | hello everyone |
| 22:28.35 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: there's also ShadowJK's script that reads out a lot more from bq27200 chip. Not just actual current but also precise elapsed mAh discharge (relative reading_new - reading_old) |
| 22:28.57 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: alas I seem to lack any pointer to that script |
| 22:29.22 | itsME | has anybody managed to successfully use gtk eventbox in c? |
| 22:29.31 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: but I need a special kernel |
| 22:29.38 | ShadowJK | no |
| 22:29.39 | DocScrutinizer | why? |
| 22:30.01 | itsME | great thanks |
| 22:30.06 | DocScrutinizer | all you need is I2Ctools |
| 22:30.17 | ShadowJK | itsME, sorry i wasn't replying to you |
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| 22:31.33 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: where to download or otherwise get your script? isn't it on any wiki page yet? |
| 22:31.54 | itsME | well i dont even know if its the right place, maybe theres some other channel for developerrs |
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| 22:32.12 | ShadowJK | Well I've only ever offered it to people who ask for it in irc |
| 22:32.32 | ShadowJK | iirc http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq.tar |
| 22:32.34 | ShadowJK | maybe |
| 22:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: can't you add at least a link to it, to http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter |
| 22:32.39 | DocScrutinizer | ? |
| 22:33.17 | ShadowJK | I'd rather not |
| 22:33.17 | DocScrutinizer | Or I do if you don't mind |
| 22:33.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, why? |
| 22:33.48 | ShadowJK | I think I'd want to expand SpeedEvil's script to include network packets :) |
| 22:33.54 | MNZ51 | there's also SpeedEvil's power drain script |
| 22:34.08 | ShadowJK | then it'd be like 10X more useful for power debugging |
| 22:34.25 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: I have a sort of proto-script that tries tocap _everything_ |
| 22:34.32 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: But it's not finished. |
| 22:34.35 | SpeedEvil | And meh. |
| 22:34.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah, nice. But a plain script to read out FULL info from bq27200 and nothing else, would be nice as well |
| 22:35.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | DocScrutinizer, does that ring a bell: http://pastebin.com/6dFgLE9f ? |
| 22:35.14 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi btw |
| 22:35.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | the kernel doesn't compile |
| 22:35.43 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, also if it's not published anywhere public I don't need to finish it ;D |
| 22:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | GNUtoo|laptop: sorry, but no |
| 22:36.12 | ShadowJK | but go ahead if you want to |
| 22:36.21 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok |
| 22:37.13 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: which kernel triggered that? |
| 22:37.28 | GNUtoo|laptop | the official one I bet: |
| 22:37.32 | GNUtoo|laptop | http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/k/kernel/ |
| 22:37.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | the last one |
| 22:37.43 | GNUtoo|laptop | and a previous one too |
| 22:38.10 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: weird, I've compiled the internal kernel many times |
| 22:38.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 22:38.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe wrong defconfig |
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| 22:38.40 | GNUtoo|laptop | I took the rx51 one in arm/defconfig |
| 22:39.22 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: can I just take kernel_2.6.28.orig.tar.gz or do I need to do something else? |
| 22:39.38 | GNUtoo|laptop | you need the maemo patches |
| 22:39.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | maybe I'll try manually |
| 22:40.18 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: kernel_2.6.28-20101501+0m5.diff.gz ? |
| 22:40.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | yes |
| 22:41.46 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, here's my unfinished always-running charge script conversion, filled with dead code and pointless crap, haven't cleaned it up yet after converting it to always-on: http://pastebin.com/m4uMMRgm |
| 22:41.54 | ShadowJK | There's some lines of SpeedEvil and you surviving in there still ;p |
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| 22:42.29 | ShadowJK | I guess I should make it query bq27200 directly too instead of examining the logfile of my bq27200 script ;D |
| 22:42.31 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: is enivax.net down? |
| 22:42.49 | ShadowJK | nope, but the dns likes to die |
| 22:43.07 | ShadowJK | my current bq27200 script, taken right off of my device just now http://pastebin.com/bPiqjzVa |
| 22:44.24 | felipec | whoa... I just want to calculate battery drain to compare different codecs |
| 22:45.19 | ShadowJK | lol |
| 22:47.33 | SpeedEvil | The one from the power page is probably sanest for that felipec :) |
| 22:48.56 | MNZ51 | felipec, you are talking about gstreamer codecs right? |
| 22:49.06 | ShadowJK | Although for long term comparison you might want to compare NAC |
| 22:49.24 | felipec | MNZ51: more like FFmpeg codecs through GStreamer API :) |
| 22:49.29 | felipec | what does i2cget -y 2 0x55 0x14 w do? |
| 22:50.01 | ShadowJK | It sends a request on i2cbus 2, to address 0x55, requesting to read the Word size register 0x14 |
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| 22:50.22 | ShadowJK | .. which is the average current register |
| 22:50.37 | ShadowJK | 0x55 on i2c bus 2 is the battery meter |
| 22:50.44 | DocScrutinizer | aka bq27200 |
| 22:50.52 | felipec | ok, so it doesn't matter how often you use it |
| 22:51.06 | MNZ51 | felipec, you will find that most codecs will drain much less power through the default gstreamer pipeline |
| 22:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | nope, not for anything important. Though each run will use a bit of power |
| 22:51.29 | MNZ51 | except for ogg |
| 22:51.35 | ShadowJK | there are no registers with side effects in bq27200 |
| 22:52.33 | MNZ51 | and potentially mp3 might be better on ffmpeg. |
| 22:52.34 | SpeedEvil | felipe: It only updates evety 5.12s |
| 22:53.14 | felipec | MNZ51: I locked the frequence, and top showed significantly better performance... but what do you mean by "default pipeline"? |
| 22:53.31 | ShadowJK | offline mode and screen off is almost a requirement to do accurate measurements since ambient light conditions and the contents on the screen will affect backlight power level... |
| 22:54.02 | ShadowJK | I wouldn't find it inplausible if ffmp3 was better than the default mp3 decoder :) |
| 22:54.18 | SpeedEvil | https://datatype.helixcommunity.org/Mp3dec |
| 22:54.19 | SpeedEvil | also |
| 22:54.28 | SpeedEvil | felipe: top lies. |
| 22:54.36 | SpeedEvil | felipe: It doesn't know about cpufreq |
| 22:54.47 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, he said he locked frequency ;) |
| 22:54.56 | SpeedEvil | felipe: 10%@600MHz may use more power than 50%@250MHz |
| 22:55.05 | ShadowJK | cpuidle effects are probably interesting too... |
| 22:55.06 | MNZ51 | felipec, most video decoding is done on the DSP (separate processor) |
| 22:55.40 | felipec | SpeedEvil: I'm aware of that :) I work in Nokia and I've done many CPU measurements |
| 22:55.44 | SpeedEvil | k |
| 22:56.00 | SpeedEvil | Threre are all sorts of wackos here. :) |
| 22:56.16 | ShadowJK | hm, I should convert my script to use "i2cget" instead of "./i2cget" |
| 22:56.17 | felipec | MNZ51: yeah, I know, I wrote gst-dsp :) |
| 22:56.35 | felipec | but I'm working on gst-av now, to get decent audio decoding with FFmpeg |
| 22:56.36 | MNZ51 | !! |
| 22:56.38 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 22:56.45 | SpeedEvil | Awesome. |
| 22:56.55 | MNZ51 | maemo is not abandoned!! |
| 22:57.08 | ShadowJK | felipec, I take it you saw tkulve's vorbis vs mp3 battery benchmarks? :-) |
| 22:57.17 | ShadowJK | (they're ancient) |
| 22:57.26 | DocScrutinizer | but still interesting |
| 22:58.08 | felipec | ShadowJK: yes, I helped him a bit... gst-av is mentioned there |
| 22:58.29 | Stskeeps | MNZ51: gst-dsp is a pretty universal omap3 component, even on angstrom or other linux OS'es. |
| 22:58.31 | felipec | he said he wanted to switch to it, but apparently he's been to busy lately |
| 22:58.37 | SpeedEvil | I'm unsure if the DMA unit is smart enough and lower power than the CPU core that it can decode 1s@600MHz say, then drop it to the codec with the CPU off |
| 22:59.11 | ShadowJK | not sure if I've ever seen C4 during audio playback, but I've atleast seen C3, iirc.. |
| 22:59.25 | MNZ51 | stskeeps I was unaware of that |
| 22:59.53 | Stskeeps | MNZ51: we naturally have it in meego/n900 too (but not yet active for various legal reasons) |
| 23:00.43 | lcuk | "<MNZ51> maemo is not abandoned!!" << you have been helping yourself, of course its not! |
| 23:01.06 | MNZ51 | have you guys seen/tested gstreamer_ti?? |
| 23:01.18 | felipec | ShadowJK: but I want to measure libvorbis vs ffvorbis, libflac vs ffflac, and nokiamp3dec vs ffmp3: I definitely don't want to run the tests until the device runs out of battery =/ |
| 23:01.40 | MNZ51 | lcuk indeed :) |
| 23:01.56 | lcuk | MNZ51, speaking of which, how is the hardware EQ looking? |
| 23:02.28 | MNZ51 | lcuk I just got all the kernel parts working right today morning |
| 23:02.31 | ShadowJK | felipec, ok check if you can get repeatable and sensible results with SpeedEvil's script.. If not, we'll have to read the NAC register instead |
| 23:02.54 | lcuk | awesome! |
| 23:02.59 | felipec | Shadikka: you mean the Powerscript? |
| 23:03.11 | MNZ51 | lcuk now need to dig into ways of integrating into the UI |
| 23:03.15 | ShadowJK | bq27200 integrates current-in and current-out measurements into NAC, so it's better suited for longer than 5 second measurements :P |
| 23:03.23 | ShadowJK | felipec, yeah the one on the wiki |
| 23:03.25 | SpeedEvil | felipe: the script I wrote above I've never seen it give measurements that seem inaccurate. |
| 23:03.46 | SpeedEvil | I need to put a scope on the battery, but it seems consistent. |
| 23:03.51 | lcuk | MNZ51, of course! |
| 23:04.16 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, no I mean current consumption varies alot for me as-is, that it might be difficult to see the "big picture" from several 5 second readings |
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| 23:05.08 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: I'm seeing the same compiler error... let me diff with the internal repo |
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| 23:05.41 | GNUtoo|laptop | felipec, ok thanks a lot !!! |
| 23:06.07 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: why should it be inconsistent? It's just not appropriate for long time average evaluations |
| 23:06.27 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter#Software |
| 23:06.52 | SpeedEvil | I just postprocess it. |
| 23:07.04 | DocScrutinizer | has pointer to ShadowJK script now, which also offers long term NAC mAh values from bq27200 |
| 23:07.06 | SpeedEvil | awk to average over 30s, 60s, ... |
| 23:07.14 | SpeedEvil | NAC is in rartehr big units |
| 23:08.00 | SpeedEvil | It's hard to get equivalent accuracy to simply adding the instant readings unless you have a long baseline. |
| 23:08.13 | MNZ | felipec, have you evaluated TI's own gstreamer plugin for decoding over the DSP before? |
| 23:09.16 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: I'd rather say postprocessing introduces an ever rising error, while NAC is always quite accurate |
| 23:10.09 | ShadowJK | but more granular.. nothing is perfect :) |
| 23:10.10 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: Sure. |
| 23:10.14 | DocScrutinizer | of course within limits of resolution |
| 23:10.24 | SpeedEvil | DocScrutinizer: the absolute error in the NAC reading is quite high though |
| 23:10.25 | felipec | ShadowJK: well, I'm running an ffmp3 test, and it seems to revolve around 60mA, however, when I go to offline mode it bumps to 200mA |
| 23:10.35 | felipec | I think that's the bug Igor was talking about |
| 23:10.51 | ShadowJK | is that without sim? |
| 23:11.09 | SpeedEvil | felipe: it's unplugged from the charger? |
| 23:11.22 | ShadowJK | (and usb) |
| 23:11.34 | felipec | MNZ: I really dislike that software stack: gst-ti -> codec-engine -> dmai -> dsp-link |
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| 23:12.22 | felipec | MNZ: plus dsp-link needs *a lot* of reorganization that already happened in dsp-bridge |
| 23:12.38 | felipec | I think I tried to compile it once... I gave up |
| 23:12.44 | MNZ | felipec, same here |
| 23:12.59 | MNZ | after a 1.6gb download and 2 wasted days |
| 23:13.44 | DocScrutinizer | the only correct way to get precise values is having a local logfile, device not connected to USB, not registered to GSM and WLAN, and issueing an initial sleep 120, during which you need to switch off screen |
| 23:14.25 | felipec | MNZ: gst-dsp -> dsp-bridge, that's way easier, plus dsp-bridge is now upstream (on staging), and TI has a small package for the binaries, just put them on /lib/dsp, and you are good to go :) |
| 23:14.49 | pigeon | anyone knows which tweeter client is supposed to work now? |
| 23:14.53 | DocScrutinizer | then playback same media file for some 10min, and stop and read out bq27200 NAC |
| 23:15.47 | DocScrutinizer | make sure you have volume set to 1 step above mute, and preferably wired headset plugged in |
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| 23:16.32 | felipec | pigeon: you want to post messages only, or see your friend updates and so on? |
| 23:17.08 | pigeon | both, just that both witter and tweego won't login anymore. |
| 23:17.29 | pigeon | you know, those oauth changes and stuff. |
| 23:18.09 | lcuk | pigeon, for now I believe Khweeteur |
| 23:18.10 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: yes, I know all those tricks to get good measurements, except that I was using the Nokia internal tool |
| 23:18.14 | lcuk | but its very -dev |
| 23:18.23 | lcuk | Khertan_ has been developing it |
| 23:18.28 | lcuk | and it works with the oauth stuff |
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| 23:19.04 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: so how do I read the NAC? |
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| 23:19.19 | SpeedEvil | Stupid internets. |
| 23:19.44 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: but here GSM off actually seems to affect negatively |
| 23:19.59 | SpeedEvil | felipe: I missed the answer - you are unplugged? |
| 23:20.07 | SpeedEvil | Because that's very odd. |
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| 23:20.54 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: (read NAC) see bottom of http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Charge_Meter#Software. (GSM off negative) that's REALLY odd |
| 23:21.21 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: it seems some files are missing |
| 23:21.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | ah ok |
| 23:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: (GSM) what exactly means "GSM off"? |
| 23:22.24 | MNZ | quick question, is there any particular reason why we can't run audio decoding algorithms on the DSP? |
| 23:22.37 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: not in offline mode |
| 23:22.38 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: The DSP is a seperate functional unit. |
| 23:22.44 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: Waking it up is not free. |
| 23:22.58 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: so what else if not in offline mode? |
| 23:23.22 | SpeedEvil | felipe: by not GSM do you mean locked to 3g? |
| 23:23.24 | felipec | MNZ: it _can_ be done... it's just that NEON is good enough |
| 23:23.27 | GNUtoo|laptop | felipec, will there be a new release? |
| 23:23.28 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: actually offline mode is mandatory |
| 23:23.29 | MNZ | SpeedEvil, sp decoding, say, a 4 minute mp3 file is not really worth the hassle? |
| 23:23.32 | SpeedEvil | felipe: because 3G uses stupid power |
| 23:23.36 | GNUtoo|laptop | of the kernel sources |
| 23:24.33 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: I would say that in principle working out how to fastest possible decode - say - 1M of audio to raw is a net win. Then you go to sleep, and just throw that out via DMA |
| 23:24.37 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: I'm unsure. |
| 23:24.46 | felipec | MNZ: it might be that just passing audio buffers around consumes more CPU than the whole decoding on NEON, it's hard to tell, maybe not if it's properly implemented, but at least the numbers I saw with OpenMAX IL were pretty bad |
| 23:25.23 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: nota bene a missing SIM does *not* mean cellmo is off. Au contraire it eats probably vast amounts of power searching for all available carriers to possibly issue a 911 call |
| 23:25.26 | SpeedEvil | If you're simply dribbling data out at a low rate from the DSP it's probably a clear lose. |
| 23:25.41 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: well, you should file a bug, but I can provide the files to you... just let me try and see if they really fix the problem |
| 23:25.45 | SpeedEvil | It's only a win if you're decoding 'massive' chunks of data at once. |
| 23:25.59 | GNUtoo|laptop | felipec, ok thanks |
| 23:27.08 | SpeedEvil | There is also the question if the DMA unit can be awake with the sound serial unit, with the rest of the CPU asleep. |
| 23:27.20 | SpeedEvil | I think it can - but I need to read the datasheet a bit more. |
| 23:28.31 | felipec | SpeedEvil: I'm not sure what you mean by DMA unit, but I think the biggest factor is the fact that audio data must come back to ARM side in order for pulseaudio to process it |
| 23:28.52 | SpeedEvil | felipe: I'm ignoring pulseaudio for the moment. |
| 23:28.55 | MNZ | felipec, speaking of pulseaudio....... |
| 23:29.09 | SpeedEvil | I'm considering what the absolute minimum power to play mp3 is that the hardware can do. |
| 23:29.32 | MNZ | AIUI the DSP can be programmed to pipe data directly to the codec chip for output..? |
| 23:29.58 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: I don't think that's quite how it works. |
| 23:30.20 | MNZ | with the right connections in the HW of course, unless I'm missing something else |
| 23:30.24 | felipec | SpeedEvil: MNZ: yes, the DSP can output audio directly |
| 23:30.30 | SpeedEvil | Ah - K. |
| 23:30.34 | SpeedEvil | I've not read it in detail. |
| 23:30.40 | felipec | but that doesn't fit Maemo architecture |
| 23:30.49 | pigeon | ah, wait, i spoke too soon, witter works, i just need to blow away my old config, and configure oauth stuff in the settings. |
| 23:30.51 | lcuk | no volume control etc? |
| 23:30.52 | MNZ | felipec, I kinda want to bypass the whole PA fiasco |
| 23:31.09 | MNZ | lcuk, volume control can be done by the audio codec |
| 23:31.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | about audio and pulseaudio etc...I bet the pulse plugin does something special to get rid of the buffer underruns |
| 23:31.27 | lcuk | MNZ, but that opens up whole ball of other stuff |
| 23:31.40 | MNZ | yeah, like stopping playback when a call comes in... |
| 23:31.51 | lcuk | doesnt the audio have to have channels managed and switch to higher priority tasks etc |
| 23:31.54 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:32.09 | SpeedEvil | At least in principle, pulseaudio is open. So you can find out the calls it makes simply. |
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| 23:32.23 | SpeedEvil | However - pulling out pulseaudio will break calls |
| 23:32.24 | lcuk | thats an awful lot |
| 23:32.29 | SpeedEvil | Unless I'm confused. |
| 23:32.37 | SpeedEvil | That is phonecalls. |
| 23:32.39 | lcuk | the dsp improvement would have to be pretty drastic at this point |
| 23:32.39 | felipec | lcuk: no cheap speakers exploding protection :) |
| 23:32.49 | ShadowJK | discovered today that stopping ohmd makes calls come through speakers instead of earphone :D |
| 23:32.51 | SpeedEvil | felipe: there is a IIR filter in the codec |
| 23:32.52 | MNZ | felipec, I'm kinda working on a solution to that :D |
| 23:32.57 | SpeedEvil | felipe: that works fine. |
| 23:33.00 | lcuk | felipec, yeah, that too |
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| 23:33.05 | lcuk | has exploded ears atm |
| 23:33.05 | MNZ | there are two filters actually |
| 23:33.22 | lcuk | would like to use dsp as a blitter one day :P |
| 23:33.31 | MNZ | hehe |
| 23:33.33 | lcuk | especially on 8x0 |
| 23:33.41 | felipec | MNZ: the hardware supports it... but I'm not sure how maemo sw might interfere |
| 23:33.50 | pigeon | and i'll try Khweeteur too |
| 23:34.07 | lcuk | pigeon, as I said Khertan_ is working hard and responding to things |
| 23:34.21 | lcuk | so if you do try it, discuss with him and help improve it with him |
| 23:34.22 | MNZ | felipec, I'm improving the audio codec's driver right now, and I've got the IIR filter and 3D effects working so far. |
| 23:34.33 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:34.52 | MNZ | any hints on where to look if we are to pass data from dsp to audio codec directly? |
| 23:35.36 | lcuk | give it to PA :D |
| 23:35.49 | felipec | MNZ: you mean from the DSP side? |
| 23:36.00 | felipec | MNZ: I'm not sure, TI calls that DASF |
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| 23:37.01 | MNZ | felipec, yeah. I would have to mess with the code that's sent to the dsp right? I'm just not sure what kind of messing around is needed |
| 23:37.11 | pigeon | lcuk: sure |
| 23:37.13 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK:(charging script) nice :-). Would you like me to edit a few things? |
| 23:37.31 | SpeedEvil | MNZ: yes - you'd need to code stuff on the DSP |
| 23:38.04 | MNZ | SpeedEvil, the question is more like do I have to reimplement the codec driver? |
| 23:38.15 | SpeedEvil | dunno |
| 23:38.19 | felipec | MNZ: I haven't touched much DSP side code =/ |
| 23:38.34 | lcuk | mnz, the dsp is scary and few who venture into it ever come out alive! |
| 23:38.44 | lcuk | it changes them. |
| 23:38.47 | MNZ | lcuk, I know that now :/ |
| 23:38.53 | SpeedEvil | I don't know if you can do 'pipes' onthe DSP |
| 23:39.03 | SpeedEvil | that is - redirect the 'normal' output and do stuff with it |
| 23:39.20 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, my TODO list is something like: move low battery detection and warning from bq27200.sh to charge.sh, add the LED notification back in, handle error codes, check parameters after error codes |
| 23:39.29 | felipec | SpeedEvil: yes, it's possible |
| 23:39.35 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: (exploded ears) testing codecs via headset? or your son screaming? |
| 23:39.48 | SpeedEvil | Interesting. |
| 23:40.17 | MNZ | so any pointers on where I should start reading would be greatly appreciated :D |
| 23:40.30 | felipec | MNZ: I think you should ask in #linux-omap, or the mailing list |
| 23:40.30 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, burst eardrum a few weeks ago. i yawned and it (re)ruptured it. |
| 23:40.33 | felipec | or #beagle |
| 23:40.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: yes, along that line. Also a few flws are there I'd like to fix |
| 23:40.41 | lcuk | (had an infection in 2006) |
| 23:40.41 | SpeedEvil | I vaguely remember someone here was playing with DSP |
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| 23:40.53 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: FSCK! :-/ |
| 23:40.59 | lcuk | thats what I said |
| 23:41.01 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, like? |
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| 23:41.04 | lcuk | along with many other strong words |
| 23:41.08 | DocScrutinizer | sleep 28 |
| 23:41.13 | DocScrutinizer | is too long |
| 23:41.16 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, lardman |
| 23:41.20 | SpeedEvil | possibly |
| 23:41.20 | DocScrutinizer | has to become sleep 15 |
| 23:41.22 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:41.32 | lcuk | doing the bluetooth stuff on 8x0 |
| 23:41.34 | ShadowJK | Apart from programming it for mugen2400 and ignoring USB cable to host PC scenario entirely |
| 23:42.11 | DocScrutinizer | ovewrtemp throttle has some niche cases where it actually is doing worse than better |
| 23:42.41 | DocScrutinizer | also seems to me you're reading out bq27200 die temp rather than battery cell thermistor |
| 23:42.56 | ShadowJK | Yeah I don't know how to read it yet |
| 23:42.57 | SpeedEvil | there is no thermistor |
| 23:42.58 | SpeedEvil | oh |
| 23:43.03 | SpeedEvil | yes - on the mugen there is |
| 23:43.05 | ShadowJK | there's one near the battery, in N900 |
| 23:43.06 | SpeedEvil | but... |
| 23:43.08 | DocScrutinizer | there is |
| 23:43.13 | SpeedEvil | There is? |
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| 23:43.26 | ShadowJK | yeah it's connected to gaia madc iirc |
| 23:43.30 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:43.33 | DocScrutinizer | search schematics, next to twl4030 |
| 23:43.38 | SpeedEvil | I thought that was mislabeled |
| 23:43.40 | DocScrutinizer | ShadSEC: EXACTLY |
| 23:43.50 | ShadowJK | tab tab tab tab... |
| 23:43.51 | SpeedEvil | And it was actually the capacirty indication wire on the battery |
| 23:44.03 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, there are two |
| 23:44.06 | SpeedEvil | Ah. |
| 23:44.32 | DocScrutinizer | sorry capsmock |
| 23:44.40 | ShadowJK | two battery related things (well, atleast 2) connected to madc.. BSI to capacity indication thingy inside battery, and another to some thermistor that's close to the battery |
| 23:45.02 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:45.06 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: actually, no, the files are not missing... I'm getting the same error on the internal repo =/ |
| 23:45.13 | ShadowJK | i think the thermistor is one of the exposed components in the battery bay.. |
| 23:45.20 | ShadowJK | i looked up the exact location once but I forget.. |
| 23:45.36 | DocScrutinizer | I had no luck locating it |
| 23:45.42 | GNUtoo|laptop | felipec, ah ok, so how come the kernel shipped compiled? |
| 23:45.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | is there some workarround? |
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| 23:46.01 | DocScrutinizer | but I guess it shall be in thermal junction to the metallic bay |
| 23:46.23 | SpeedEvil | Is it exposed? |
| 23:46.24 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: it probably depends on the compiler, I remember someone from Google fixed that... let me look for the patch |
| 23:46.33 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok thanks a lot!!! |
| 23:46.37 | SpeedEvil | lshal doesn't say anyrthing obvious on temp. |
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| 23:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps once asked my what to ask Nokia about charging, and a told him (among other things) we need to know what values we expect to read from bat temp ADC, when to sgut down for overtemp. Alas no results of all that yet |
| 23:48.26 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, It looked like a surface mounted rectangle like any other to me ;P |
| 23:49.01 | SpeedEvil | how much further is bq* ? |
| 23:49.04 | ShadowJK | madc has open source driver though, and we can empirically figure out what the numbers mean, right? |
| 23:49.07 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: but maybe it has a level or spring touching it, from metal bat bay |
| 23:49.12 | ShadowJK | hm |
| 23:49.24 | SpeedEvil | Is bq27200 round the back off the contacts - I forget |
| 23:51.22 | DocScrutinizer | btemp R1310, twl4030 ADCIN0 |
| 23:51.48 | DocScrutinizer | Battery temperature sensor |
| 23:52.36 | SpeedEvil | Hmm. |
| 23:52.42 | SpeedEvil | BME was polling madc wasn't it |
| 23:52.49 | DocScrutinizer | yup |
| 23:52.53 | DocScrutinizer | afaik |
| 23:52.57 | felipec | GNUtoo|laptop: http://article.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/28461 |
| 23:53.10 | GNUtoo|laptop | thanks a lot |
| 23:54.47 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: anyway when battery signals overtemp during *actually* DIScharging (according to bq27200), you MUST NOT throttle charger |
| 23:54.50 | DocScrutinizer | ~2119 |
| 23:54.50 | infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. |
| 23:55.22 | ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, yeah I just added it for my own use case |
| 23:55.25 | DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: seems bme is wrong on that detail as well |
| 23:55.28 | SpeedEvil | Or possibly just power off |
| 23:56.01 | ShadowJK | Where dropping to 550 brings current as reported by bq27200 to around 0 |
| 23:56.23 | felipec | DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I notice that when I go to offline mode, the consumption goes up to 200mA |
| 23:57.15 | ShadowJK | felipec, is that with a sim card or without? Is wlan0 interface up? There's a bug that leaves it up occasionally, eating about 200 or so.. |
| 23:57.17 | DocScrutinizer | bq24150 charging + bq27200 DIScharging = high system load, "Not enough power for charging!". DO NOT switch off charging, not even on high temp. On critical overtemp start to throttle system load instead |
| 23:57.51 | DocScrutinizer | felipec: that's really freakin weird |
| 23:58.32 | ShadowJK | You know, with the charger chip's 70-90% efficiency, and the 130-ish mOhm of resistance between charger and battery, and the mugen battery's lower internal resistance, there might be less heat generation with charger fully off :P |
| 23:58.49 | felipec | ShadowJK: with a sim card; normal mode, 3G, wlan + audio playback I get ~60mA. offline mode + audio playback, I get 200mA |
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