| 00:03.50 | pigeon | ieatlint: that's not such a bad idea actually... assuming the law allows that :) |
| 00:04.29 | pigeon | seeing the trains are always delayed anyway... |
| 00:04.36 | ieatlint | it does not, and the car did not get far before getting stuck |
| 00:04.43 | genewitch | mmm half pound of grass fed beef and 2 free range chicken eggs for dinner |
| 00:04.44 | genewitch | god DAMN |
| 00:04.47 | pigeon | ieatlint: hahahahahaha |
| 00:04.51 | genewitch | cooked in butter and coconut oil |
| 00:04.56 | genewitch | nom. nom. NOM. |
| 00:05.12 | ieatlint | i'd probably not be laughing if i had to take the train :) |
| 00:05.15 | ieatlint | thankfully, i don't |
| 00:06.18 | pigeon | i do, but i assume it's not the same country. |
| 00:06.40 | ieatlint | probably not |
| 00:07.11 | ieatlint | http://sfist.com/2010/09/09/whats_going_on_here_train_wannabe.php has a picture of the genius stuck on the tracks |
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| 00:35.07 | quanttrom | hello guys,.. I got the phone and I have to say my battery life is horrible. What do you to improve your battery life? |
| 00:35.35 | quanttrom | I turned the screen brightness down, don't use a magnetic pouch, etc...all the standard stuff |
| 00:35.52 | quanttrom | put on the autoconnection manager as well |
| 00:35.58 | SpeedEvil | What do you use the phone for? |
| 00:36.14 | SpeedEvil | 3g active internet connections are bad. |
| 00:36.30 | quanttrom | well I have wifi at home and univ. so it is quite common it will be online (SKype/Gtalk) |
| 00:36.33 | quanttrom | also |
| 00:36.35 | SpeedEvil | <PROTECTED> |
| 00:36.49 | SpeedEvil | If you have powersaving enabled and working it does not use significant power |
| 00:36.50 | quanttrom | I must use 3G because WIND does not have 2G |
| 00:37.00 | SpeedEvil | wlan that is |
| 00:37.08 | quanttrom | I am pretty sure it's Power savings is enabled on Wlan |
| 00:37.22 | quanttrom | yes it is |
| 00:37.23 | SpeedEvil | Some wlan routers do not peoperly supppport it, and cause it to use more power. |
| 00:37.42 | asj | quanttrom: define horrible |
| 00:40.32 | quanttrom | kk removed from charger at 9:45 AM |
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| 00:40.55 | quanttrom | using 3G but no data, some calls totalling maybe 10 mins |
| 00:41.20 | quanttrom | wifi on for 4-5 hours |
| 00:41.43 | quanttrom | 20-30 mins of internet radio |
| 00:41.57 | quanttrom | and overall the phone has been on for ~10 hours |
| 00:41.59 | quanttrom | battery is dead |
| 00:42.19 | asj | how many im/skype/sip accounts? |
| 00:42.26 | quanttrom | skype + gtalk |
| 00:42.31 | quanttrom | so 2 |
| 00:42.35 | asj | sounds about right |
| 00:42.50 | quanttrom | haha maybe my expectations were a little too high :) |
| 00:43.07 | asj | shutdown skype, it eats about 25-75% bat/day |
| 00:43.25 | asj | depends on how well skype network is doing that day |
| 00:43.58 | quanttrom | hm interesting |
| 00:44.08 | quanttrom | gtalk uses less, on average? |
| 00:44.16 | asj | streaming audio is always hoggy too |
| 00:44.55 | asj | gtalk I found uses 15-20%/day (I can't remember if I was counting a day as 24 hours or 18, but anyways) |
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| 00:45.28 | asj | that was idle and on wifi were powersavings worked |
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| 00:51.08 | quanttrom | oh, also I have it set to search for Wi-Fi connection every 30 mins. is that a power hog based on ur experience? |
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| 00:52.53 | asj | quanttrom: to give you an idea, no calls, maybe 1.5 hours of mp3 playing and IM and an idle phone, with good 3g coverage I have over 50% at night. Start using the phone, say an hour of web browsing, talking on im several times through the day. Basically using it as a computer replacement I get about 10 hours. |
| 00:53.16 | asj | quanttrom: no, I have mine at 5 or 10 mins |
| 00:53.32 | quanttrom | alright thanks asj |
| 00:53.39 | quanttrom | I think I'll go purchase a car charger now |
| 00:56.30 | jpinx-eeepc | asj: I do the same and get a day out of the battery which is about 7 months old |
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| 00:57.19 | jpinx-eeepc | asj: and I leave about 6 applications running all the time to save time when i want to do some quick work in a bus or whatever |
| 00:57.33 | asj | jpinx-eeepc: yeah, same here |
| 00:57.47 | jpinx-eeepc | and wifi searches at 5 mins |
| 00:58.05 | jpinx-eeepc | can't afford data over the mobile network |
| 00:58.31 | jpinx-eeepc | needs a better wep cracker ;) |
| 00:58.33 | asj | quanttrom: I would start with killing skype for a day and see how you go anyways. Oh, and set it to 3g only so it doesn't search edge contantly. There's a nice 3g switcher app |
| 00:59.09 | quanttrom | asj: I'll kill skype and gtalk and see how that goes. also, my phone is set to 3G only from the settings. That's my only option |
| 00:59.14 | jpinx-eeepc | ah - skype is probably your bogey quanttrom - it is a real resource-hog |
| 00:59.45 | jpinx-eeepc | even when it is sitting in the background it is churning away and munching bandwidth ;) |
| 00:59.55 | asj | oh, and I have widgets running like crazy, omweather,fb,comic, etc |
| 01:01.06 | jpinx-eeepc | asj: I have debian running in a chroot for irssi and bitlbee ;) |
| 01:02.11 | SpeedEvil | skype wil do it |
| 01:02.17 | jpinx-eeepc | and when I get to my "desk" I plug it into the usb on this eeepc and ssh/sshfs itno it for the bigger screen and kbd, but all the "stuff" is in the n900 |
| 01:02.19 | SpeedEvil | pretty much alone - as I understand it |
| 01:02.52 | jpinx-eeepc | so my n900 really*is* my computer now :) |
| 01:04.30 | pigeon | anyone here uses scim on their n900? |
| 01:04.53 | pigeon | or i actually meant mscim. |
| 01:11.12 | asj | during battery trials on pr1.2 with skype (which is much better than 1.0/1.1) it was doing well, about 25% down by 6pm, then skype had some network issue and you could see cpu time jump, network activity jump and the batt was dead by 10pm |
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| 01:24.31 | SpeedEvil | skype is p2p |
| 01:24.47 | SpeedEvil | If you are routing others traffic in any way - it uses stupid power |
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| 01:28.34 | Sc0rpius | stupid question, but can you make VoIP through gtalk ? |
| 01:28.49 | Sc0rpius | 'cos I've never even thought about that until I just read you guys talking about it |
| 01:29.11 | MohammadAG51 | i think you can do video calls too |
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| 01:29.27 | Sc0rpius | geez... that's what I get for lazyness to try things |
| 01:29.45 | ieatlint | Sc0rpius: gtalk 2 gtalk voip only at the moment though |
| 01:29.48 | Sc0rpius | I didn't even know gtalk had video calls, I know Skype does, 'cos I use it heavily on my desktop |
| 01:29.53 | ieatlint | no calling phone numbers |
| 01:30.10 | Sc0rpius | alas, I didn't know gtalk could call phone numbers either (even on a desktop) |
| 01:30.17 | Sc0rpius | wow Skype brainwashed me |
| 01:30.51 | ieatlint | it can't exactly -- it can in the US from gmail only, not even the official gtalk apps support phone calls yet |
| 01:31.03 | Sc0rpius | oh ok |
| 01:31.15 | Sc0rpius | I think I read about it in digg |
| 01:31.39 | ieatlint | yeah, google voice support in gmail.. bizarrely implemented |
| 01:32.12 | ieatlint | i can make phone calls from gmail, but not google voice? weird shit |
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| 01:33.54 | genewitch | what is the difference between google voice and making phone calls |
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| 01:34.30 | genewitch | you can forward txt to your gmail and use the gvoice in there to reply |
| 01:34.35 | ieatlint | in gmail, with google voice, i can make and receive phone calls without having a phone |
| 01:34.47 | genewitch | google voice isn't a sip service though |
| 01:34.51 | genewitch | how can you receive phone calls |
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| 01:35.09 | ieatlint | http://www.google.com/chat/voice/ |
| 01:36.41 | ieatlint | http://gmailblog.blogspot.com/2010/08/call-phones-from-gmail.html for the official announcement and full details |
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| 01:48.02 | RST38h | Hmm, ARM jumps from CortexA9 straight to CortexA15 |
| 01:57.30 | microlith | it's 6x better, of course |
| 01:57.32 | quanttrom | another question. I installed the Open SSH client + server and the "SSH Status and Switcher" that adds a button so u can turn the SSH server on and off |
| 01:57.56 | quanttrom | I tried removing the S55ssh scripts from rc?.d but sshd is still started every time the phone boots up |
| 01:58.00 | quanttrom | what am I doing wrong? |
| 02:01.12 | johnx | could it be the because it's wired into upstart? |
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| 02:13.49 | quanttrom | thanks johnx , I'm used to the old sysv, just read up on upstart |
| 02:14.17 | johnx | yeah me too |
| 02:14.31 | johnx | it's even weirder since we're in this transition period where both appear to work |
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| 02:33.38 | quanttrom | somebody asked the same question in the forums |
| 02:33.44 | quanttrom | I'll give 'em my..hack.. |
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| 02:35.01 | iluminator101 | hi i cant login my google voice from n900 why? |
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| 05:16.44 | slonopotamus | luke-jr: huh, ipv6 is already deployed in some places? |
| 05:16.44 | slonopotamus | i mean, on isp level |
| 05:18.18 | ieatlint | yes |
| 05:18.32 | slonopotamus | cool. sadly, not here |
| 05:19.39 | ieatlint | my isp allegedly will give me /60 address range, and tmobile in the US has just started ipv6 trials |
| 05:20.14 | orlok | <PROTECTED> |
| 05:20.17 | ieatlint | anyone with a phone that supports ipv6 is welcome to join it -- i'm running it on the n900 now, and it's oh so pointless |
| 05:20.35 | orlok | i played around with an ipv6 tunnel to my home server, but thats about it |
| 05:21.12 | orlok | Hmm, wesnoth doesnt want to start on my n900 |
| 05:21.28 | ieatlint | err, not a /60 block |
| 05:21.32 | ieatlint | a 60 address range, bleh |
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| 06:12.06 | johnx | hmmm, dunno how I feel about Nokia's new president/CEO being from the Microsoft business department ... |
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| 06:13.52 | orlok | heh |
| 06:14.05 | orlok | as long as its not ballmer heh |
| 06:15.22 | secyritas | :D |
| 06:16.06 | johnx | ballmer? didn't they fire him yet? |
| 06:19.14 | orlok | there is no way to get access to the gsm audio under N900 is there? |
| 06:19.33 | genewitch | For dinner, free range chicken breast with french goat Feta pan fried with fettucini. |
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| 06:19.54 | genewitch | total cost something like $13 a plate |
| 06:20.27 | genewitch | wait, $9 a plate |
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| 06:24.02 | rmrfchik | aloha |
| 06:24.42 | johnx | mornin' rmrfchik |
| 06:24.43 | rmrfchik | johnx: nokia hired new CEO? |
| 06:24.54 | genewitch | earlier today i had free range grass fed beef sirlon with free range chicken brown eggs |
| 06:25.00 | genewitch | that was hella good too |
| 06:25.01 | inz | rmrfchik, they did |
| 06:25.09 | genewitch | ooh wrong channel |
| 06:25.34 | johnx | http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703597204575482902836750116.html |
| 06:25.41 | rmrfchik | wtf "free range". can't translate |
| 06:25.57 | johnx | genewitch, it's all fair if your brought enough for everyone :> |
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| 06:26.46 | johnx | rmrfchik, uhm, it refers to an animal that was raised outside, rather than kept in a tiny cage |
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| 06:28.34 | orlok | hmm. |
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| 06:28.58 | orlok | parmaster: not parmaster of underground, etc fame? |
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| 06:32.27 | Gh0sty | soon N900 running windows mobile? http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/nokias-opk-is-out-replaced-by-stephen-elop-as-president-and-ce/ |
| 06:32.31 | Gh0sty | ;) |
| 06:32.52 | johnx | hey, at least it's not ballmer, right? |
| 06:32.58 | Gh0sty | :) |
| 06:34.02 | rmrfchik | soon N900 running .net |
| 06:34.26 | orlok | Does anybody know if its possible to access the GSM audio via a linux device? |
| 06:35.02 | johnx | isn't there already mono for N900? |
| 06:35.20 | johnx | orlok, sorry. not ignoring you, but I have no idea... |
| 06:35.33 | orlok | thats cool :) |
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| 06:39.00 | johnx | orlok, is the goal to record calls or something like that ... ? |
| 06:39.47 | johnx | anyways, there seems to be a call recorder: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/recaller/ |
| 06:39.54 | johnx | so that might have some good code to look at |
| 06:39.56 | orlok | johnx: no, but i was just looking at that |
| 06:39.58 | orlok | yeah |
| 06:40.02 | orlok | and its python, bonus |
| 06:40.05 | orlok | i'll see how that does it |
| 06:40.22 | orlok | work makes an embedded linux modem that does data over gsm |
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| 06:41.14 | johnx | over a gsm *voice* call? O_o; |
| 06:41.39 | orlok | yeah |
| 06:41.40 | orlok | i know |
| 06:41.43 | orlok | dont ask :) |
| 06:42.05 | johnx | just please tell me the encoding is base64 over morse :D |
| 06:42.09 | orlok | ahh cool that app actually added a desktop widget to press |
| 06:42.20 | orlok | haha, we joke about that stuff |
| 06:42.40 | orlok | uuencode the data and write ot on a sheet of paper and fax it! yeah! |
| 06:43.23 | johnx | never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of backup tapes :D |
| 06:43.58 | orlok | yup :) |
| 06:44.05 | orlok | though here in australia, we have panelvans |
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| 06:44.13 | orlok | gotta be at least an extra 50% capacity |
| 06:44.29 | orlok | also lower latency, easier to load/unload |
| 06:44.54 | johnx | well yeah. but I think idea is supposed to be that the station wagon is what the sys admin actually drives to work ;) |
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| 06:47.36 | orlok | johnx: panelvans are also great for fitting a pair of 19" racks side by side |
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| 06:49.26 | johnx | hey, I can fit a 19" rack in my wagon, just a slightly shorter one ... http://wiki.eth-0.nl/index.php/LackRack |
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| 06:50.45 | orlok | johnx: http://gallery.oldholden.com/terence_overlander/1978+Holden+Overlander+Panelvan+327+chev/ |
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| 06:53.35 | orlok | hmm cool recaller seems to work |
| 06:53.53 | orlok | not sure if its directlly accessing the gsm data or just using a microphone or something |
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| 06:54.41 | johnx | if i had to guess, I'd guess it's doing something with pulseaudio |
| 06:54.56 | rmrfchik | johnx: thanks for translation |
| 06:55.03 | johnx | also: I now understand what you mean by panelvan ... :) |
| 06:56.17 | orlok | like mad max's weekend car, before he got mad heh |
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| 06:56.35 | johnx | rmrfchik, no problem. "free range" is kind of a weird concept. Is there actually Russian phrase that means the same thing? |
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| 07:10.03 | pigeon | is there a ~/.xsessionrc equivalent on the n900? |
| 07:10.03 | rmrfchik | johnx: hmmm. does free range mean "wild" or it does mean "not wild, but grown in, well, free range"? |
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| 07:15.01 | mece | "It's not just you! http://talk.maemo.org looks down from here. " |
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| 07:18.27 | crashanddie | "Disabled toilets. Ironically, the only toilets big enough to run around in." |
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| 07:25.25 | Jaffa | Morning, all |
| 07:26.43 | merlin1991 | tmo is down :/ |
| 07:26.44 | mece | o/ Jaffa |
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| 07:26.51 | mece | fmc also. |
| 07:26.52 | mece | :) |
| 07:27.07 | mece | oo its up |
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| 07:27.14 | merlin1991 | s/.*/all I have todo is down :/ |
| 07:28.08 | merlin1991 | .* not a valid regext? |
| 07:28.24 | gomiam | weird |
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| 07:28.48 | gomiam | you have enclosed that in single quotes, right? |
| 07:29.15 | gomiam | (I'm assuming you are trying to sed -e that) |
| 07:29.26 | merlin1991 | i tryed to use infobot, no idea how it's implemented |
| 07:29.32 | merlin1991 | s/i/I/ |
| 07:29.39 | merlin1991 | just like that |
| 07:29.48 | gomiam | ok, let're test |
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| 07:29.54 | gomiam | s/'re/'s/ |
| 07:30.12 | gomiam | retsnting.... |
| 07:30.16 | mece | .* |
| 07:30.23 | mece | s/.*/asdf/ |
| 07:30.27 | gomiam | s/t.*t/test/ |
| 07:30.27 | mece | it's literal |
| 07:30.40 | gomiam | s/t.\*t/test/ |
| 07:30.48 | gomiam | abc |
| 07:30.56 | gomiam | s/\.\*/bca/ |
| 07:31.05 | gomiam | mmm... looks like it |
| 07:31.26 | merlin1991 | smaaal test |
| 07:31.32 | merlin1991 | s/[a]+/a/ |
| 07:31.37 | merlin1991 | yeah literal |
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| 07:31.54 | merlin1991 | booooring ;) |
| 07:31.59 | mece | hehe |
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| 07:37.21 | merlin1991 | anyone here who would would tell me not to buy a d-link switch? (I'm about to get one) |
| 07:38.17 | nid0 | personally i wouldnt buy one of their consumer-oriented switches |
| 07:38.54 | nid0 | but most preferences between the big three for home gear is more down to personal taste/experience than any real differences in the products |
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| 07:39.25 | merlin1991 | the big three beeing? |
| 07:39.47 | nid0 | netgear, linksys, and d-link |
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| 07:41.13 | merlin1991 | I dunno why d-link only sells the gay looking versions here |
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| 07:42.37 | merlin1991 | I mean http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/21hgcjjPU3L._SL500_AA300_.jpg vs http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31hjB0%2BRNNL.jpg |
| 07:44.33 | koala_man | which one's the gay one? |
| 07:44.51 | merlin1991 | the white one :) |
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| 07:45.53 | merlin1991 | even better looking one (also not avaiable here) http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/31jrEXhgxOL.jpg |
| 07:46.17 | ieatlint | gays like black too, let us know when you find a pink or light blue one |
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| 07:47.53 | koala_man | of those, the sleek black one is the one I would call the most gay. the white one is futuristic and the one that looks like a 80s modem looks like.. an 80s modem |
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| 07:48.39 | rmrfchik | not gay router http://www.electronicsinfoline.com/New/img/news/200909/13361_0.jpg |
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| 07:48.57 | merlin1991 | rmrfchik, I'm looking only for a switch though |
| 07:49.34 | rmrfchik | it will looks the same |
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| 07:49.56 | rmrfchik | guts open, wires, diods |
| 07:49.57 | merlin1991 | and I'm not that awesome @ doing this kind of stuff myself ;) |
| 07:50.00 | ieatlint | i personally have liked the netgear rackmount line, but i guess it doesn't look that nice on a plain desk |
| 07:50.34 | kerio | buy a rack |
| 07:51.05 | ieatlint | you can buy racks cheap on craigslist :P |
| 07:51.12 | merlin1991 | have a rack too, but the switch is meant for the living room :) |
| 07:51.30 | kerio | merlin1991: no, pretty sure a cute-looking AP is meant for the living room |
| 07:51.48 | kerio | ieatlint: i'd buy a rack but i'm not sure i can rackmount a sheevaplug |
| 07:51.51 | merlin1991 | ap? you crazy, gaming over wireless? |
| 07:52.13 | ieatlint | sure you can, it just makes no sense |
| 07:52.25 | kerio | plays FPSes over wifi with a bluetooth mouse :< |
| 07:52.34 | ieatlint | and yeah dude, wifi adds 3ms to your ping, that's totally going to fuck you up |
| 07:52.51 | koala_man | kerio: how are bluetooth mice for gaming? |
| 07:53.02 | kerio | koala_man: meh, i don't really notice a difference |
| 07:53.07 | kerio | except when the batteries start to run out |
| 07:53.14 | kerio | in that case, i die |
| 07:53.16 | kerio | :( |
| 07:53.36 | koala_man | are wireless bluetooth mice more power hungry than those proprietary wireless connections? |
| 07:53.47 | kerio | never used one of those |
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| 07:54.00 | kerio | and the proprietary wireless mouses need a usb adapter |
| 07:54.01 | merlin1991 | ieatlint, the problem isn't the 3ms that's ok, the problem is the high amount of wifi and other noise here wich produces regular 10 sec lags .D |
| 07:54.13 | kerio | merlin1991: so it's not a wifi problem |
| 07:54.20 | kerio | it's a *your* wifi problem |
| 07:54.25 | merlin1991 | indeed |
| 07:54.34 | merlin1991 | i'll reprase it then |
| 07:54.37 | ieatlint | go invest in 802.11n :P |
| 07:54.40 | kerio | merlin1991: crack every network, enter every other AP, and turn the power down to the minimum |
| 07:54.43 | merlin1991 | ap? you crazy, wifi gaming in vienna? |
| 07:54.56 | kerio | merlin1991: i'm in Rome, you think the situation is different? |
| 07:55.01 | merlin1991 | nah |
| 07:55.16 | kerio | well, i am *this* close to the router anyway |
| 07:55.29 | kerio | it's more that i don't want to switch to ethernet, losing my current connections |
| 07:55.42 | ieatlint | seriously, 802.11n... almost no one is on 5ghz right now |
| 07:55.51 | ieatlint | and the microwave doesn't interfere with it, hehe |
| 07:56.05 | merlin1991 | I used to have a wireless mouse, stopped using it again, because the signal got interrupted so often |
| 07:56.08 | kerio | i'm on 802.11n 2.4GHz only |
| 07:56.21 | kerio | it's still much better than g |
| 07:56.41 | ieatlint | ah, i meant to be saying 802.11a, but yeah |
| 07:56.54 | kerio | a? |
| 07:56.55 | kerio | :| |
| 07:57.03 | ieatlint | a is 5ghz only |
| 07:57.25 | kerio | but it sucks |
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| 07:58.11 | ieatlint | in my experience, it's no better or worse on its own, but the 5ghz range is not very crowded, so it ends up being better |
| 07:58.25 | kerio | you just need to find a good channel |
| 07:58.49 | merlin1991 | I guess living next to the biggest hospital here kinda adds to my problem :) |
| 07:58.51 | kerio | if you can't find it, crack every neighbor's router and turn their wifi power to the minimum |
| 07:58.53 | ieatlint | that definitely makes a difference, yes |
| 07:59.49 | merlin1991 | so I'm bound to get a cable solution |
| 08:01.04 | kerio | or a bigger wifi AP |
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| 08:01.28 | merlin1991 | a freakin huge one in that case |
| 08:01.33 | kerio | yeah! |
| 08:01.46 | kerio | with 2mt antennas |
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| 08:03.25 | merlin1991 | ah well I have a fm transmitter in the cellar, why not build an overpowered ap :D |
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| 08:05.55 | merlin1991 | or just build a faraday cage around the house :D |
| 08:06.06 | TermanaN900 | yello |
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| 09:32.44 | MohammadAG51 | hmm, don't some routers allow external antennas? |
| 09:32.52 | MohammadAG51 | My old D-Link does |
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| 09:42.43 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: ping? |
| 09:42.56 | MohammadAG51 | X-Fade, pong |
| 09:43.58 | X-Fade | Can we try to get frozen depending on the new perl-modules today? That would make it a lot easier for me to get changes like this done in the future :) |
| 09:44.46 | MohammadAG51 | Oh, versioned dependecy? I didn't get what you wanted before :P I'll do it in a bit :) |
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| 09:45.23 | X-Fade | MohammadAG51: I want to prevent blocking SSU from our end ;) |
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| 09:48.44 | DocScrutinizer | moo |
| 09:49.25 | Dassu | cow imitation success |
| 09:49.36 | DocScrutinizer | ~moo |
| 09:49.36 | infobot | ACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass |
| 09:50.15 | Dassu | "twice as much as DocScrutinizer" wow he's fat |
| 09:51.40 | DocScrutinizer | honestly, I'm musing bout this each time :-D |
| 09:51.53 | MiXu- | :D |
| 09:52.24 | DocScrutinizer | a 100kg cow, what a fail |
| 09:52.40 | pupnik | that quote is from a song |
| 09:54.42 | ieatlint | you weigh 50kg? |
| 09:54.56 | ieatlint | scrawny bastard :P |
| 09:55.29 | DocScrutinizer | that's sufficiently precise and convenient a number, yes |
| 09:55.35 | ieatlint | i'm 67kg or so, and people call me too thin |
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| 09:56.31 | DocScrutinizer | maybe 55, or 58, I don't care |
| 09:57.01 | ieatlint | further proof you're a geek |
| 09:57.27 | SpeedEvil | 78.2 here. |
| 09:57.34 | SpeedEvil | actually - 78.3 |
| 09:57.40 | SpeedEvil | I'm halfway through a coffee |
| 09:57.49 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 09:58.01 | ieatlint | hehe |
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| 09:59.14 | DocScrutinizer | I'm just taking care each of my coffees has enough sugar in it, and generally try to chose the more calories while eating |
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| 10:00.24 | DocScrutinizer | shopping is a pain, nowadays you can't get decent food, all is fat reduced and light |
| 10:00.56 | MiXu- | The fuss about fat is ridiculous |
| 10:01.04 | SpeedEvil | Just cook from scratch. |
| 10:01.13 | MiXu- | Fast carbs are much worse for your health |
| 10:01.27 | SpeedEvil | yeah. |
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| 10:01.34 | ieatlint | happily i can still get food that is anything but lean here |
| 10:01.44 | SpeedEvil | I've recently lost 25kg or so. |
| 10:01.52 | SpeedEvil | The key was not low fat at all. |
| 10:01.56 | SpeedEvil | It was portion control. |
| 10:02.04 | Dassu | yeah |
| 10:02.11 | MiXu- | I try to buy non-light products whenever possible and when cooking I've reduced the use of potatoes, rice, etc. |
| 10:02.15 | Dassu | I usually tell people not to eat |
| 10:02.16 | SpeedEvil | While losing 1Kg/week - 10% of my daily energy was in the form of chocolate |
| 10:02.21 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: potatos are good |
| 10:02.25 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: they are slow |
| 10:02.39 | Dassu | like seriously if you wanna lose weight Dont eat |
| 10:02.45 | MiXu- | Still carbs. And don't really taste like anything. |
| 10:02.48 | SpeedEvil | http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7498104 |
| 10:02.50 | MiXu- | Unless you add fat =) |
| 10:02.53 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: fair enough. |
| 10:03.08 | SpeedEvil | MiXu-: they however fill you up better than nearly anything else for a long time |
| 10:03.23 | SpeedEvil | http://www.mendosa.com/satrank.htm |
| 10:03.42 | MiXu- | True. If you consume lots of energy then cutting down on carbs is silly. |
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| 10:40.48 | GNUtoo|laptop | hi |
| 10:41.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | *is 0xFFFF supposed to work on a n900 |
| 10:41.15 | GNUtoo|laptop | 2)how do I install extras-devel? |
| 10:41.32 | DocScrutinizer | for 2) see wiki |
| 10:41.44 | merlin1991 | I wonder if this exists |
| 10:41.47 | merlin1991 | ~extras-devel |
| 10:41.48 | infobot | methinks extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel |
| 10:42.13 | merlin1991 | and wth is 0xFFF |
| 10:42.21 | merlin1991 | s/F/FF/ |
| 10:42.48 | DocScrutinizer | Free Firmware Flasher Foo |
| 10:43.08 | merlin1991 | bar? |
| 10:43.55 | GNUtoo|laptop | I saw that |
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| 10:44.00 | GNUtoo|laptop | for the wiki |
| 10:44.07 | GNUtoo|laptop | I'm tr-trying but it still fails |
| 10:44.20 | GNUtoo|laptop | partial refresh of applications |
| 10:44.25 | GNUtoo|laptop | is there some manual way to do that |
| 10:44.29 | GNUtoo|laptop | for instance with ssh |
| 10:44.47 | SpeedEvil | try again. Open the app-managerrrr, update |
| 10:44.58 | GNUtoo|laptop | I keep trying |
| 10:45.05 | GNUtoo|laptop | and still the same issue |
| 10:45.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | ahhh |
| 10:45.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | fremantle |
| 10:45.49 | GNUtoo|laptop | not freemantle |
| 10:45.49 | SpeedEvil | syre tiy gave;t girt at werd furewakks un teh way? |
| 10:45.56 | GNUtoo|laptop | lol |
| 10:45.57 | SpeedEvil | yeah - that too. :) |
| 10:46.07 | SpeedEvil | Sure you haven't got any wierd firewalls even |
| 10:46.21 | GNUtoo|laptop | no |
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| 10:50.05 | kerio | SpeedEvil: the fuck |
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| 10:51.11 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 10:51.31 | kerio | "syre tiy gave;t girt at werd furewakks un teh way?" |
| 10:51.54 | SpeedEvil | Typo. |
| 10:52.06 | SpeedEvil | Not looking at ther kesreen |
| 10:52.48 | kerio | yeah, i see |
| 10:54.39 | DocScrutinizer | actually what's current state of 0xFFFF ? |
| 10:55.23 | GNUtoo|laptop | hmmm |
| 10:55.53 | GNUtoo|laptop | it says that bootmenu-b900 breaks the 3rd party package policy |
| 10:55.57 | GNUtoo|laptop | and it refuses to install it |
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| 10:59.58 | zap | Anybody knows why on N900 the second layout (Russian) does not work? It tells me that the layout switched, but still enters latin symbols. |
| 11:00.31 | zap | This is a "gray import" N900, with the European keyboard layout painted on buttons |
| 11:00.49 | zap | (does the OS know what kind of keyboard is attached?) |
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| 11:09.55 | zap | setxkbmap -v says: <<symbols: nokia_vndr/rx-51(common)+nokia_vndr/rx-51(us)+inet(evdev)>> |
| 11:10.20 | zap | What is the config file for setxkbmap? How it knows about "nokia_vndr/rx-51"? |
| 11:12.11 | GNUtoo|laptop | ok doing with apt-get |
| 11:15.22 | pigeon | does the n900 gl support fbo? |
| 11:15.45 | MohammadAG | /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 |
| 11:15.50 | MohammadAG | zap, ^ |
| 11:16.17 | MohammadAG | <zap> (does the OS know what kind of keyboard is attached?) <-- it's a physical mat, it doesn't know about it |
| 11:16.40 | MohammadAG | I think you can set it with osso-product-info |
| 11:16.41 | MohammadAG | OSSO_PRODUCT_KEYBOARD='English, Dutch' |
| 11:16.52 | kerio | zap: russian is weird |
| 11:16.56 | MohammadAG | or through settings > text input |
| 11:17.08 | kerio | it's the ui that has to switch to the other 4 levels |
| 11:17.26 | kerio | for other kbds, ctrl+space just changes the dictionary |
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| 11:52.27 | crashanddie | Khertan_Home: ping |
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| 11:54.36 | zap | Okay, at some point it started working. But I still don't understand what I did :) |
| 11:55.05 | lcuk | crashanddie, test test test test test :P |
| 11:55.20 | crashanddie | lcuk: TECT TECT TECT TECT |
| 11:55.29 | crashanddie | еÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ ÑеÑÑ 1/2 |
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| 11:56.02 | crashanddie | once was OK |
| 11:56.03 | crashanddie | twice was OK |
| 11:56.10 | crashanddie | 10 times is starting to get painful |
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| 12:02.06 | decimos | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmhA1993LWY&feature=related |
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| 12:06.05 | DocScrutinizer | I think things like keymat used are stored to cal, but used only for initial config on firstboot etc |
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| 12:09.06 | lcuk | crashanddie, how are you getting on @ work? |
| 12:10.03 | crashanddie | lcuk: good actually |
| 12:10.16 | lcuk | :D |
| 12:10.17 | crashanddie | lcuk: rewriting the installation scripts, 't was about 100 lines before, now about 2000 |
| 12:10.19 | lcuk | as it should be |
| 12:10.26 | lcuk | complexification! |
| 12:10.33 | crashanddie | advancification |
| 12:10.41 | crashanddie | previously you had to create all the directories by hand |
| 12:10.47 | crashanddie | untar a dozen .tar.bz2 files |
| 12:10.51 | crashanddie | etc |
| 12:10.52 | lcuk | featurecreepificying |
| 12:11.03 | crashanddie | now everything is contained in a single .sh file |
| 12:11.09 | crashanddie | the .sh file is generated automatically |
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| 12:12.22 | merlin1991 | autoconf? |
| 12:12.46 | crashanddie | no, perl script |
| 12:13.02 | crashanddie | I'm adapting to autoconf now though for the compilation units |
| 12:13.11 | merlin1991 | can't stand perl :P |
| 12:13.18 | crashanddie | perl is insanely powerful |
| 12:13.31 | visz | mmm.. perl |
| 12:13.33 | merlin1991 | and the syntax sort of makes me run away |
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| 12:14.06 | visz | i try to obfuscate my perl, so that no one can read it |
| 12:14.14 | visz | if it's hard to write, it should be hard to read |
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| 12:18.23 | merlin1991 | that's my main problem with it, it's hard to read others code |
| 12:18.32 | crashanddie | want to replace a single line (say the line that contains ###MYKEYWORD###) in file1 be replaced by the contents of file2? perl -pi -e'if(/###MYKEYWORD###/) { my $fn = "file2"; open my $fh, $fn or die "$fn:$!"; local $/; $_=<$fh>;}' file1 |
| 12:18.33 | CutMeOwnThroat | I didn't know people deliberately wanted to obfuscate their perl code... I thought it usually happens naturally |
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| 12:18.34 | Khertan_ | Hi all ! |
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| 14:58.06 | *** topic/#maemo is Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | http://mxr.maemo.org/ | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Free software mirror: http://espejo.freemoe.org/ | "The Intel® Embedded Media and Graphics Driver (EMGD) was designed so that Intel graphics chipset customers would not need access to the source code." |
| 14:58.28 | RST38h | No, wait, Wiki says Kin was WinCE based |
| 14:58.38 | ab | RST38h, my understanding that he was chairing business division |
| 14:58.53 | RST38h | ab: that too |
| 14:59.13 | RST38h | and worked at some MA fast food places before that :) |
| 14:59.43 | ab | oversaw Information Worker, Microsoft Business Solutions and Unified Communications Groups. |
| 14:59.53 | RST38h | TheRegister guys have got the scoop: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/nokia_ceo_analysis/ |
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| 15:02.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | crashanddie: lcuk: backup battery borked. Quite usual for ~90% of those components |
| 15:02.05 | lcuk | h4waii, you want to open the whole conversations window or a specific thing within it? (I am sure there is some dbus-send call) |
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| 15:04.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | while according to specs the backup battery should last for powering RTC several 1000h, it usually is just enough for some tens of seconds |
| 15:05.21 | Stskeeps | crashanddie: summit proto? |
| 15:05.51 | crashanddie | aye |
| 15:06.08 | Stskeeps | same problem here, might be simply built without a proper battery |
| 15:06.31 | DocScrutinizer51 | Stskeeps: nah, got 2 devices no summit proto here, both lose RTC after max 120s |
| 15:06.46 | Stskeeps | k |
| 15:06.48 | Stskeeps | weird |
| 15:07.10 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's those crappy LiIon cells |
| 15:07.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | seems they are"mt fit for the way they are treated |
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| 15:08.32 | DocScrutinizer51 | both during manufacturing (reflow) and during normal use |
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| 15:10.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | for FR we once did a poll: something like 30 of 40 devices had broken cells |
| 15:10.47 | crashanddie | hmm |
| 15:10.49 | DocScrutinizer51 | shudders on the idea of kicking off such poll on tmo |
| 15:11.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | anyway the cells seem same crappy hitachi component as in FR |
| 15:14.01 | DocScrutinizer51 | critical to reflow temperature profile, as well as no word about deep discharge |
| 15:14.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | several reports of even leaking cells |
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| 15:20.18 | DocScrutinizer | oops seiko, not hitachi |
| 15:20.55 | DocScrutinizer | http://de.mouser.com/catalog/642/2318.pdf |
| 15:22.02 | DocScrutinizer | nominal capacity >100uAh, while RTC supply current usually <<1uA |
| 15:23.09 | DocScrutinizer | even *if* RTC would eat an impossible 1mA, it still should give you >6min of RTC operation without main battery |
| 15:25.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | you could argue 80% of N900 are defective and would have to get repair |
| 15:26.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | otoh standby of RTC w/o mainbat isn't a advertised product property |
| 15:33.45 | GAN900 | Modest and Tracker have done so much damage to the platform. |
| 15:34.43 | GAN900 | lcuk, open Modest, tap inbox (spinning wheel in toolbar starts), switch to MicroB to read a web page while waiting, get pulled back to Modest when it loads the inbox pane 10 seconds later. |
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| 15:36.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | tracker yeah. DIE tracker DIE, burn in hell! |
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| 15:37.21 | DocScrutinizer51 | but ohnoes, even meego has *mandatory* tracker :-((( failwale |
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| 15:37.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | wonders why the hell it's so hard to learn |
| 15:41.02 | crashanddie | "German officials have created a labyrinth in the shape of a giant sausage to help people learn about the health risks associated with the popular fast food currywurst (curried sausage)." |
| 15:41.11 | crashanddie | (god I'd love to have a curryworst right now) |
| 15:41.13 | Stskeeps | damnit, now i want currywurst. |
| 15:41.25 | Stskeeps | $@$ |
| 15:42.02 | GAN900 | crashanddie, tax dollars at work? |
| 15:44.11 | lcuk | GAN900, i can see that as a minor irritant, but not really drastically serious, it was in the middle of something afterall |
| 15:44.25 | lcuk | and as for tracker - come up with a better way. |
| 15:44.30 | andrei1089 | hi, I have no internet in scratchbox, but I remember there was some command to fix this. Any hints? |
| 15:44.54 | Stskeeps | etc/resolv.conf and /scratchbox/etc/resolv.conf is what's messed up |
| 15:44.54 | lcuk | GAN900, perhaps it is something that can be looked at with the hildon ssu stuff down the line |
| 15:45.03 | lcuk | but to know to do that bugs will have to be filed :P |
| 15:45.45 | GAN900 | lcuk, have been |
| 15:45.48 | GAN900 | Years ago |
| 15:45.55 | GAN900 | for the MicroB beta. |
| 15:45.57 | lcuk | i just checked bmo for "focus" bugs |
| 15:46.02 | andrei1089 | thanks Stskeeps |
| 15:46.07 | lcuk | huh? this isnt microb issue? |
| 15:46.09 | GAN900 | As MicroB pulls the same shit. |
| 15:46.17 | GAN900 | It's an everything issue. |
| 15:46.27 | GAN900 | But it's an application bug. |
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| 15:47.31 | lcuk | its not app level, and this is something all OSes have issue with |
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| 15:47.48 | DocScrutinizer51 | it's a problem of setfocus() not distingushing between intra-app and inter-app focus stealing |
| 15:48.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | same problem with modal dialogs |
| 15:48.28 | lcuk | used to happen extremely seriously on windows with IM messaging |
| 15:48.35 | lcuk | you start typing to one person |
| 15:48.42 | lcuk | and a new message pops up over top :D |
| 15:48.58 | GAN900 | It's infuriating. |
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| 15:49.01 | lcuk | so you finish sentence intended for your mate to your mum instead |
| 15:49.11 | GAN900 | Be nice to have some optimization in Maemo. |
| 15:50.18 | Stskeeps | http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/google-android-2-2-not-designed-for-the-tablet-form-factor/ <- finally |
| 15:52.15 | DocScrutinizer | \o/ |
| 15:53.42 | DocScrutinizer | (modal) try copying the correct e.g. APN settings from a carrier's webpage to settings->internet-connections->GPRS :-S |
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| 15:54.23 | DocScrutinizer | or SIP config, for that behalf |
| 15:54.23 | GAN900 | Maemo's the new Windows XP |
| 15:54.45 | GAN900 | You can find the Hildon 1.x stuff if you dig deep enough in settings. |
| 15:55.11 | GAN900 | "for that matter" |
| 15:55.22 | RST38h | Stskeeps: Just wait and see. |
| 15:55.55 | Stskeeps | RST38h: no, i'm just happy someone finally agreed to my point android was a smartphone os and not much else |
| 15:55.58 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 15:56.25 | lcuk | sigh GAN900 sure, theres probable a boat load of the original kernel still around too and that was written 19 years ago *shock* |
| 15:57.01 | GAN900 | lcuk, not the same as having a mix of paradigms floating around in your OS. |
| 15:57.02 | DocScrutinizer | for BME that seems to be correct :-P |
| 15:57.14 | GAN900 | Doesn't really seem to scream polish. |
| 15:57.28 | lcuk | it shouldn't the kernel is Finnish |
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| 15:58.21 | RST38h | Yooohooo: |
| 15:58.31 | RST38h | http://repository.maemo.org/extras/dists/fremantle-1.3/ |
| 15:59.01 | RST38h | Stskeeps: for another few months maybe. |
| 15:59.04 | lcuk | :) |
| 15:59.08 | DocScrutinizer | wait, WHAT? |
| 15:59.21 | RST38h | [side note] ...and they are breaking binary compatibility again. |
| 15:59.48 | GAN900 | Prepare yourself for the last letdown. |
| 16:00.01 | DocScrutinizer | AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARGHHH |
| 16:00.27 | DocScrutinizer | where's the friggin changelog? |
| 16:00.34 | Stskeeps | that's not fremantle-1.3 sdk. |
| 16:01.01 | Stskeeps | also, that "-1.3" is needed cos of the way HAM deals with it |
| 16:01.14 | RST38h | it is an extras repo being prepared for pr1.3 |
| 16:01.17 | Stskeeps | look at free/ date |
| 16:01.17 | RST38h | that's all |
| 16:01.18 | Stskeeps | :P |
| 16:01.23 | Stskeeps | yes |
| 16:01.29 | RST38h | right now it is a symlink to 1.2 |
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| 16:02.50 | RST38h | GAN: Look at the bright side: once we know there won't be any more PRs, people like MohammadAG won't have to look back when creating repos of bugfixed PR packages |
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| 16:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | meh |
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| 16:05.23 | lcuk | RST38h, how did your qtification get on? |
| 16:07.04 | Stskeeps | the finnish tv news are really nothing but the nokia news.. |
| 16:08.00 | lcuk | Stskeeps, unexpected today really? |
| 16:08.04 | Stskeeps | not really |
| 16:11.44 | RST38h | lcuk: Did not have chance to run it |
| 16:11.55 | RST38h | lcuk: Lots of other things to do |
| 16:12.21 | lcuk | sure |
| 16:12.36 | lcuk | you saw that thp did a gtk prototype of gpodder for meego? |
| 16:13.30 | RST38h | yea |
| 16:14.34 | lcuk | RST38h, is your front end ui already gtk oriented? (I know the deep down stuff isnt) |
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| 16:15.57 | lcuk | RT @cscoobing BTInfinity fibre optics? With the speed of my line they must get their fibre from All Bran! |
| 16:16.02 | lcuk | giggled @ this tweet |
| 16:17.57 | DocScrutinizer | WOOOOOW new download statistics |
| 16:19.25 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, you mean 29.5million (pretty much 30%) in exactly a month? or per package stats? |
| 16:19.54 | DocScrutinizer | no, I mean bargraph instead of that confusing curve |
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| 16:20.14 | DocScrutinizer | also split into extras, -testing, -devel |
| 16:20.37 | DocScrutinizer | (yellow, blue, magenta) |
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| 16:21.24 | RST38h | lcuk: I have almost no front ui |
| 16:21.27 | DocScrutinizer | our garage wizards did another fancy |
| 16:21.36 | RST38h | (which is exactly the point) |
| 16:21.42 | RST38h | Doc: URL? |
| 16:21.52 | DocScrutinizer | e.g http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/# |
| 16:22.04 | lcuk | RST38h, indeed, do you already have a version which (for isntance) renders direct onto an XImage? |
| 16:22.36 | RST38h | thanks |
| 16:22.46 | RST38h | lcuk: Had it for years |
| 16:23.30 | RST38h | Doc:No overall stats for all packages though? |
| 16:23.44 | DocScrutinizer | dunno |
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| 16:25.03 | RST38h | would like to check his suspicion that -testing and -devel downloads exceed plain extras over the last few months |
| 16:25.50 | SpeedEvil | http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fmms/# - well - look |
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| 16:26.24 | SpeedEvil | Though I can't seem to find the raw data anymore |
| 16:27.40 | drizztbsd | why is http://maemo.org/packages/view/horizontal-call/ only in extras-devel? :( |
| 16:28.31 | lcuk | drizztbsd, CONTACT DEV AND ASK HIM? |
| 16:28.34 | lcuk | -caps |
| 16:28.45 | drizztbsd | uhm good idea |
| 16:29.37 | DocScrutinizer | umm, zoom option dropped during upgrade to nice new bargraph statistics |
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| 16:54.43 | RST38h | OMG APPLE ALLOWS FLASH APPS ON IPHONE NOW |
| 16:55.26 | kerio | OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG |
| 16:55.58 | kerio | wait, why should we care |
| 16:56.03 | RST38h | ...and the millions of faithful will have to readjust their worldview from "nobody needs Flash, it is slow and sucks" to "iPhone has get the latest bestest Flash of all" |
| 16:56.05 | pronto | because cookies |
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| 16:56.19 | kerio | i liek cookies |
| 16:57.30 | lcuk | RST38h, I thought it was flash->iphone conversion |
| 16:57.35 | lcuk | not directly running flash? |
| 16:58.02 | lcuk | ie the opening of the api should allow the continuation of other cross platform framework conversions too |
| 16:58.12 | lcuk | errr opening of the licensing |
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| 16:58.43 | RST38h | lcuk: dunno, not sure I want to know |
| 16:58.59 | RST38h | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/10/shouty_republican/ <=== yesss |
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| 17:01.30 | h4xordood | hey how is maemo global version different from indian version |
| 17:01.31 | h4xordood | ? |
| 17:01.46 | h4xordood | i am from India |
| 17:01.57 | h4xordood | and i have n900 with Indian version |
| 17:02.08 | h4xordood | now if i flash with global version |
| 17:02.15 | h4xordood | what would be the benifit |
| 17:02.18 | h4xordood | ? |
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| 17:46.37 | FIQ | Hi, which way is recommended, GUI installer or command-line way, for installing the SDK? |
| 17:47.14 | FIQ | because, GUI would be nice for a lazy user, but i would happily use the commandline way if that gives some more possibilities. :p |
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| 17:50.09 | Munkiii | without me rebooting my phone and loading NITDroid, can somebody tell me if cell data is usable yet? |
| 17:54.06 | zap | Anybody knows if it's possible in Mappero to show the maps one level larger than it shows by default? The map text is quite small for my eyes |
| 17:56.17 | Munkiii | sorry, havn't got Mappero installed. |
| 17:56.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | Munkiii: check netmon |
| 17:56.58 | E0x | zap: hmm if you zoom it ? |
| 17:57.28 | Munkiii | check netmon? explain more? |
| 18:00.02 | zap | E0x: if I zoom it, it loads another level with small text |
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| 18:01.57 | E0x | go to the doctor ( just kidding ) |
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| 18:02.14 | FIQ | fine, i go for the gui one. :) |
| 18:03.58 | Munkiii | without me rebooting my phone and loading NITDroid, can somebody tell me if cell data is usable in NITDroid yet? |
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| 18:04.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | Munkiii: check netmon |
| 18:04.47 | MohammadAG | X-Fade, ping? |
| 18:04.51 | johns | Hi |
| 18:04.59 | Munkiii | can you explain more? |
| 18:05.13 | X-Fade | MohammadAG: pong |
| 18:05.13 | Munkiii | do i need to install that on NITDroid? |
| 18:05.27 | RST38h | Ah, here he is |
| 18:05.43 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Have you included the latest Modest into the SSU? |
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| 18:06.13 | DocScrutinizer51 | Munkiii: this chan's name is #maemo |
| 18:06.49 | FIQ | #nitdroid |
| 18:06.54 | FIQ | there's an official channel |
| 18:07.08 | Munkiii | ah, ok. cheers. |
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| 18:08.21 | MohammadAG | RST38h, afaik yes, I still can't figure how GPG works so.. yeah |
| 18:08.48 | RST38h | MohammadAG: The bmo claims they have fixed the copy/paste bug |
| 18:09.17 | RST38h | MohammadAG: ALSO, there has been an important update on the swap-fucked-after-5-days bug, let me pull it up... |
| 18:09.55 | MohammadAG | oh, a newer version? lemme fetch that |
| 18:10.03 | FIQ | hm, MohammadAG, did you do a community runned SSU? :p |
| 18:10.22 | MohammadAG | #maemo-ssu |
| 18:10.29 | RST38h | MohammadAG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382#c10 |
| 18:10.30 | povbot | Bug 6382: Device becomes sluggish after several days |
| 18:10.57 | MohammadAG | nice, PR1.3 speculations starte |
| 18:10.59 | RST38h | Pretty much confirms what ShadowJK has guessed + names some possible culprits |
| 18:11.01 | MohammadAG | d |
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| 18:12.22 | MohammadAG | RST38h, and no workarounds |
| 18:12.36 | h4waii | MohammadAG; PM. |
| 18:12.57 | RST38h | MohammadAG: I cannot think of a possible workaround for this |
| 18:13.17 | MohammadAG | except more RAM |
| 18:13.17 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Discussed it with a friend today, he thinks of tiered swap |
| 18:13.24 | RST38h | MohammadAG: Or faster MMC :) |
| 18:13.47 | MohammadAG | or switch swap to microSD |
| 18:13.47 | RST38h | MohammadAG: But the tiered swap won't help, as MMC takes the same time for short and long "seeks", unlike the real HD |
| 18:13.51 | MohammadAG | preferably class 6 |
| 18:13.59 | RST38h | MohammadAG: microSD is not faster. 4bit interface. |
| 18:14.23 | MohammadAG | I read somewhere it was faster... |
| 18:14.40 | RST38h | MohammadAG: SSU-related fix would be to compile and offer all packages where they fixed memory lekslately |
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| 18:16.25 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: MohammadAG: swapon /dev/mmcblk1p3; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapon swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p3; swapoff /dev/mmcblk1p3 |
| 18:16.49 | RST38h | Doc: yea, but this looks intrusive =) |
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| 18:17.19 | RST38h | Doc: Wonder if Nokia will simply roll this into a cron job and release it with PR1.3 though :) |
| 18:17.25 | DocScrutinizer | hmm, whatever that means to me |
| 18:19.09 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: maybe they are smartasses and don't do it via cron but rather when swap space fragmentation kicks in |
| 18:20.44 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, swapon swapoff - if you turn the swap off, where does the used memory end up |
| 18:20.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: c&p error |
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| 18:21.37 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: the idea is to swapon a spare prior to swapoff the fragmented |
| 18:21.41 | MohammadAG | lcuk, oblivion |
| 18:21.54 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, oh sure, wheres the spare? |
| 18:22.10 | RST38h | A'ok, here is a plan |
| 18:22.18 | RST38h | Divide swap partition in two equal parts |
| 18:22.28 | MohammadAG | I wonder how the device runs without swap, at all |
| 18:22.31 | RST38h | Switch between them once the current swap fillsup :) |
| 18:22.31 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I've tested this, works as far as there's no errors. Dunno if it's effective as I never encounter that slowdown so far |
| 18:22.56 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: I used a swap partition already existing on my uSD |
| 18:23.01 | DocScrutinizer | for that test |
| 18:23.06 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, sure |
| 18:23.15 | lcuk | so now, expand that into something that could be done in the system |
| 18:23.23 | lcuk | RST38h, hm |
| 18:23.31 | lcuk | that gives half available swap at once |
| 18:24.14 | DocScrutinizer | RST38h: that's the better version, but obviously would halve the available swap space |
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| 18:24.56 | DocScrutinizer | better create a second swap partition on eMMC with same size of 768M if you want to keep system properties |
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| 18:25.09 | lcuk | better to find the issue |
| 18:25.37 | DocScrutinizer | the issue has been documented in detail by ShadowJK |
| 18:25.39 | lcuk | and madam dug and spotted a load of things over the last period |
| 18:25.57 | lcuk | the effect or the cause? |
| 18:26.29 | DocScrutinizer | whatever you call the transition from sequential to random writes in swap |
| 18:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | there's always a cause behind the cause |
| 18:28.17 | RST38h | lcuk,Doc: you do not need 768MB swap |
| 18:28.30 | DocScrutinizer | yeah |
| 18:28.37 | RST38h | RAMSize x2 is considered a good swap size |
| 18:28.44 | DocScrutinizer | yep, ack |
| 18:28.47 | RST38h | i.e. at most 512MB per swap partition |
| 18:29.01 | RST38h | Something is telling me that 384MB will do just as well |
| 18:29.27 | DocScrutinizer | I tend to agree |
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| 18:30.18 | RST38h | helo javispedro |
| 18:30.18 | lcuk | evening javispedro \o did you have lag? |
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| 18:30.29 | javispedro | quite :) |
| 18:30.35 | javispedro | HELO. |
| 18:30.42 | mikhas | heya javispedro |
| 18:30.43 | DocScrutinizer | lo javispedro |
| 18:30.49 | FIQ | hm... |
| 18:31.05 | FIQ | now i've restarted the installer 5 times so i'm sure the problem isn't "temporarly" |
| 18:31.06 | FIQ | http://pastebin.com/UQ1vMs4y |
| 18:31.11 | FIQ | any ideas? |
| 18:31.39 | FIQ | line 26 and onwards |
| 18:31.42 | FIQ | is the interesting part |
| 18:31.53 | MohammadAG | wb javispedro! |
| 18:31.55 | javispedro | MohammadAG: see, I told you I would be back by september :) |
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| 18:32.45 | lcuk | RST38h, changing partition sizes would worry lots and complicate many things I would assume |
| 18:33.04 | h4waii | FIQ; do you not have network connectivity? |
| 18:33.21 | FIQ | well, i'm on IRC, so i guess i have it. ;) |
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| 18:33.33 | h4waii | You might not have it from within scratchbox. |
| 18:33.38 | FIQ | hmm |
| 18:33.43 | FIQ | interesting |
| 18:33.47 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, mhd! |
| 18:33.50 | h4waii | Check your DNS. |
| 18:33.58 | MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, MHD!!! |
| 18:34.05 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: changing partition count is more of a problem |
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| 18:37.25 | lcuk2 | huggles virgin internet |
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| 18:38.06 | MohammadAG | donwgrades lcuk2 |
| 18:38.32 | MohammadAG | downgrades* |
| 18:39.30 | javispedro | so, what's new? |
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| 18:40.09 | kerio | overclocks MohammadAG |
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| 18:40.29 | MohammadAG | burns |
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| 18:40.34 | MohammadAG | javispedro, oh nothing much |
| 18:40.55 | MohammadAG | Maemo 7's out, and we all upgraded to N1000 |
| 18:40.55 | MohammadAG | but you probably knew that :P |
| 18:41.08 | kerio | you only have N1000s? |
| 18:41.10 | kerio | losers! |
| 18:41.27 | X-Fade | slaps javispedro for not being around more lately |
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| 18:42.01 | kerio | Nâµ here |
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| 18:44.17 | javispedro | usally uses IRC while bored, but he's not exactly been bored these months :) |
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| 18:45.47 | X-Fade | javispedro: Well, we missed you here :) |
| 18:48.15 | javispedro | I've read logs, and ml lists, so just joking -- I do know what's new :) |
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| 18:49.10 | X-Fade | javispedro: Up for trying to OBS for fremantle? |
| 18:49.30 | X-Fade | javispedro: Some of your packages fail because of scratchboxisms :) |
| 18:50.12 | javispedro | Btw, X-Fade. You can still email me with problems with the new (as in, 3 months old new :) ) autobuilder setup |
| 18:50.45 | javispedro | some people have been doing that already, so |
| 18:50.58 | X-Fade | javispedro: Trying to get the OBS in such a shape that it can be a replacement for the autobuilder. |
| 18:51.34 | X-Fade | javispedro: That should be a lot more future proof. |
| 18:51.40 | javispedro | yep |
| 18:52.23 | X-Fade | javispedro: And it runs without busybox and uses the real tools ;) |
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| 18:56.20 | javispedro | emerges obs |
| 18:57.46 | javispedro | btw if someone is interested in garmin apps/nRoute, I made a liblocation->garmin pvt protocol converter |
| 18:57.51 | javispedro | http://gitorious.org/garminchatd |
| 18:58.06 | javispedro | it's complete enough nRoute works with it |
| 18:58.35 | slonopotamus | meh |
| 18:58.45 | h4waii | LOL |
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| 18:59.05 | slonopotamus | availability of maemo update is easily guessable by repository.maemo.org speed |
| 19:00.25 | X-Fade | slonopotamus: That would probably be the last thing. |
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| 19:03.39 | nomemeshere | hey, is there a way to put a schedule into the maemo calendar (like every tuesday at 8 i have class x, etc)? |
| 19:04.15 | javispedro | yes, you have the usual options -- every week, every month. |
| 19:04.20 | nomemeshere | there doesn't seem to be a feature for specific days of the week or whatever, id have to go through manually |
| 19:04.46 | javispedro | yes, you have |
| 19:04.55 | nomemeshere | k ill mess with it more |
| 19:05.14 | nomemeshere | there an app for netflix like android and the iphone? |
| 19:06.04 | javispedro | waves and promises increased IRC presency from now on |
| 19:06.06 | javispedro | see you |
| 19:06.07 | nomemeshere | oh, and how do you actually scroll around the map using maps.google.com mobile version |
| 19:06.17 | nomemeshere | adios? |
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| 19:06.45 | h4waii | Enable cursor mode. |
| 19:07.23 | nomemeshere | there a way to make maps app less shitty? |
| 19:07.30 | nomemeshere | (thanks I'll try that) |
| 19:07.59 | nomemeshere | also, is there a way to only auto connect to *some* wifi networks? |
| 19:09.02 | nomemeshere | also, it seems like sometimes switching to gsm only ("2.5G") disconnects me from the web connection, but sometimes it works fine - why? |
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| 19:12.07 | jacekowski | sometimes phone is connected over 2g sometimes not |
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| 19:18.53 | Corsac | hmhm, I'm sure someone already asked the question, but is the gps available somehow remotely without using gpsd and connecting to a wlan? |
| 19:18.59 | Corsac | (like, in pcsuite mode or something) |
| 19:19.42 | h4waii | Available how? |
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| 19:20.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | is there a gnu parted somewhere, for maemo5? |
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| 19:22.20 | Corsac | h4waii: in pc suite mode, pluged via usb? |
| 19:22.58 | jacekowski | well, usbnetworking maybe |
| 19:24.51 | Corsac | for gps? |
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| 19:25.55 | Corsac | ha, setup gpsd on the n900 and use that from the computer |
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| 19:26.04 | Corsac | yeah doable but a bit painful |
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| 19:34.09 | trumee | nice. html5 audio tag works in Fennec. |
| 19:34.52 | Corsac | hmhm, and do we have a list of at commands understood by the ttyACM0 device? |
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| 19:37.18 | nomemeshere | where is traceroute? |
| 19:37.21 | nomemeshere | ping and nmap are there |
| 19:38.05 | lcuk | traceroute isnt normally required, but certainly not missing from maemo http://maemo.org/packages/view/traceroute/ |
| 19:38.34 | nomemeshere | why is the app manage app so incredibly slow and resource consuming? |
| 19:39.03 | nomemeshere | so i just #apt-get install traceroute |
| 19:39.20 | lcuk | because its trying to manage every version of every package thats in -devel, -testing and extras and every other repo you had |
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| 19:40.45 | Chibi-Taiga | humm , guys what can it be that the phone have a cpu load of 11-40% all the time |
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| 19:48.28 | FIQ | tt |
| 19:48.36 | FIQ | er |
| 19:48.40 | FIQ | lol changing window randomly |
| 19:48.46 | FIQ | nvm @ ^ |
| 19:50.40 | Chibi-Taiga | guys |
| 19:50.46 | Chibi-Taiga | anyone encode movies for n900 ? |
| 19:51.20 | MohammadAG | Chibi-Taiga, yeah, someone even melted his battery when he did that on an overclocked N900 |
| 19:51.34 | MohammadAG | but yeah, use mencoder |
| 19:51.50 | Chibi-Taiga | i dont oc |
| 19:52.26 | Chibi-Taiga | well i tryed to play psp encoded videos but they seems to heavy for this phone in sib, and regular player dont even support it |
| 19:52.49 | Chibi-Taiga | avc main profile lvl 3 mp4 |
| 19:53.48 | Chibi-Taiga | odd though |
| 19:54.02 | MohammadAG | install decoders-support |
| 19:54.09 | Chibi-Taiga | i have |
| 19:54.18 | Chibi-Taiga | but it dont support the psp encoded vids |
| 19:55.16 | Chibi-Taiga | as far as i knoe psp encoders use ffmpeg, mencoder or x264 |
| 19:55.36 | Chibi-Taiga | the avc i use use mencoder |
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| 20:09.24 | Zucca | Anyone noticed that if you use ulv kernel-config settings recording a video always fails..? Is this known and does it cound as kernel-power bug? |
| 20:09.37 | h4waii | No it doesn't. |
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| 20:10.17 | Venemo | good evening Maemoers |
| 20:10.18 | Zucca | I guess It just won't work undervolted then. :) |
| 20:11.20 | Zucca | h4waii: Do you know exactly why it fails then? |
| 20:13.37 | h4waii | Because you're starving the processor. |
| 20:13.42 | Venemo | Zucca: what is the problem? |
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| 20:14.22 | Zucca | h4waii: Well. It seems to work when I lock the frequency to 600MHz but still undervolted. |
| 20:14.29 | Chibi-Taiga | wierd the media play supports by default aav/h264 yet it dont play psp videos of 480x272 h264/avc |
| 20:14.45 | Chibi-Taiga | aac* |
| 20:15.08 | Zucca | Venemo: 23:08:50 < Zucca> Anyone noticed that if you use ulv kernel-config settings recording a video always fails..? Is this known and does it cound as kernel-power bug? |
| 20:15.23 | Zucca | cound = count |
| 20:16.15 | Venemo | Zucca, hm, I think it is because of the ulv |
| 20:17.01 | luke-jr | Zucca: are you intentionally asking ridiculously stupid questions? |
| 20:17.16 | Zucca | Venemo: It worked undervolted. I just tested by locking the cpu speed to 600MHz. |
| 20:17.21 | luke-jr | seriously, it sounds like "I never feed my kids. Why won't they get up and do chores?" |
| 20:18.01 | Zucca | luke-jr: As I said. It still worked undervolted. |
| 20:18.15 | Venemo | Zucca: Conclusion: that voltage is not enough for more than 600 Mhz. |
| 20:18.55 | luke-jr | Zucca: it doesn't. |
| 20:18.57 | Zucca | So It maybe because the CPU doesn't raise the frequency fast enough to catch up with the vedeo recording software. |
| 20:19.04 | luke-jr | that's what you're complaining about |
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| 20:19.25 | Venemo | Zucca: luke-jr is right |
| 20:19.30 | Zucca | luke-jr: Well. Mine didi work. |
| 20:19.51 | Chibi-Taiga | well if you oc, ocing cpu only wont make that mutch performance you should also oc the ram |
| 20:19.52 | luke-jr | Zucca: good. then stop whining since it works. |
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| 20:20.00 | Zucca | So th eUNDERVOLTING isn't the issue. |
| 20:20.00 | ShadowJK | hm, interesting. Someone gathered statistics on the 3 operators in .fi. Average 3G -> HSDPA wakeup delay: 1290, 880, 1210 ms (for 3 different operators using same equipment). Average packet size required to transition from 3g to hsdpa: 498, 255, 32 bytes. Idle time in HSDPA before dropping back to 3g: 8, 3, 5 seconds. |
| 20:20.05 | luke-jr | Chibi-Taiga: not sure the CPU and RAM are independent here |
| 20:20.17 | Zucca | luke-jr: Am I? |
| 20:20.41 | luke-jr | in any case, undervolting or overclocking is utterly stupid |
| 20:21.00 | luke-jr | heck, even the 600 MHz Nokia overclocks it is bad enough if kept constantly on |
| 20:21.08 | Chibi-Taiga | well it is good for playing video files ive noticed |
| 20:22.29 | Zucca | luke-jr: On ulv CPU runs on 250MHz when idle. I guess it just doesn't raise the frequency fast enough. |
| 20:22.46 | Zucca | That ain't complaining. |
| 20:23.28 | ShadowJK | So if two full lines of IRC chat happens at the same time, my N900 goes to HSDPA, and stays there for atleast 8 seconds.. No wonder battery drains in no time on 3g :D |
| 20:23.40 | Venemo | Zucca: [22:18:17] <Venemo> Zucca: Conclusion: that voltage is not enough for more than 600 Mhz -> which part you didn't get? |
| 20:23.47 | h4waii | the CPU is rarely ever at idle, FYI. |
| 20:24.03 | Venemo | h4waii: it spends most of its time idling |
| 20:24.17 | luke-jr | Zucca: even *normally*, 250 Mhz is buggy |
| 20:24.19 | h4waii | In terms of instructions? |
| 20:24.43 | jacekowski | frequency can be changed instantly |
| 20:24.44 | Zucca | Venemo: I get all of that. And I know at those voltages 600MHz is the max BUT at that level it can record. |
| 20:24.46 | jacekowski | almost instantly |
| 20:25.07 | luke-jr | Zucca: no, at those voltages, it's not ever acceptable |
| 20:25.20 | h4waii | Zucca, change your sampling and load rate for higher and faster frequency jumps. |
| 20:25.31 | luke-jr | you're damaging the CPU no matter what speed you run it at |
| 20:25.34 | Zucca | luke-jr: Do I have to shoe how I can record videos on ulv @ 600MHz? |
| 20:25.40 | luke-jr | you're damaging the CPU no matter what speed you run it at |
| 20:25.44 | h4waii | Shoe him to death. |
| 20:25.45 | jacekowski | luke-jr: undervolting isn't damagining |
| 20:25.50 | luke-jr | jacekowski: no? |
| 20:25.53 | jacekowski | no |
| 20:25.58 | ShadowJK | h4waii, the CPU spends most of its time at 0 MHz 0 Volt, unless you've messed up something :) |
| 20:26.19 | jacekowski | undervolting may even make it lifetime longer |
| 20:26.21 | jacekowski | not a lot |
| 20:26.22 | Zucca | How undervolting is supposed to _damage_ cpu? |
| 20:26.53 | luke-jr | Zucca: in theory, it's not what it was designed to work with |
| 20:27.01 | luke-jr | to me, undervolting =~ brown-out |
| 20:27.04 | h4waii | ShadowJK, so you're trying to tell me that there is 0 draw from proc when at idle? |
| 20:27.20 | luke-jr | h4waii: I think he means under 1 volt |
| 20:27.22 | jacekowski | luke-jr: brownouts are only dangerous to memory/cache contents |
| 20:27.30 | jacekowski | h4waii: yes |
| 20:27.31 | ShadowJK | h4waii, it's pretty damn close :-) |
| 20:27.34 | luke-jr | jacekowski: then why do they destroy computers entirely? |
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| 20:27.50 | jacekowski | luke-jr: it's ussualy what happens after brownout |
| 20:28.01 | jacekowski | luke-jr: that damages it |
| 20:28.10 | luke-jr | jacekowski: so surge protection really *is* sufficientâ |
| 20:28.18 | Zucca | luke-jr: To you, yes. But if you have a wire and if you lower the voltage also the current goes down. It does not shorten the life of that wire. Same goes for the CPU. |
| 20:28.26 | jacekowski | surge protection isn't instant |
| 20:28.50 | Venemo | Zucca: obviously, increase the voltage if you wanna record at a higher clock, then |
| 20:28.51 | jacekowski | Zucca: processes in cpu are little bit more complicated |
| 20:28.56 | h4waii | LOL |
| 20:29.02 | h4waii | a CPU is actually just 17 wires |
| 20:29.23 | Zucca | jacekowski: I just told the basics. |
| 20:29.49 | h4waii | 11267.pts-1.HiNGE |
| 20:30.00 | jacekowski | luke-jr: basicaly when brownout happens psu tries to compensate for that and then it may be not able to react fast enough when voltage comes back to normal level |
| 20:30.16 | luke-jr | o |
| 20:30.17 | Zucca | But the basic rule is: udervolting does NOT shorten the life of your cpu. |
| 20:30.25 | luke-jr | so it's dangerous to PSU :P |
| 20:30.39 | SpeedEvil | h4waii: The power drawn when idle is enough so that it can last for 200 hours on battery |
| 20:30.43 | ShadowJK | I'd imagine the mains frequency would be dropping too during a brownout? |
| 20:30.47 | jacekowski | luke-jr: because on brownout lot of equipment will switch off and voltage will go higher |
| 20:30.55 | jacekowski | ShadowJK: yep |
| 20:31.21 | h4waii | If you use your device, it's hardly at idle "most of the time" |
| 20:31.40 | luke-jr | h4waii: even if you use it |
| 20:31.46 | ShadowJK | Well when you have it in your pocket it should be at idle most of the time, or else the battery runs out before the end of the day :) |
| 20:31.53 | luke-jr | h4waii: it's the LCD that draws the power mostly |
| 20:31.55 | jacekowski | in worst case grid may separate to protect still working part of network |
| 20:32.09 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: the battery will run out in a few hours usually |
| 20:32.14 | luke-jr | even in my pocket |
| 20:32.18 | jacekowski | because if it will not separate you may end up with half of country losing power |
| 20:32.24 | h4waii | Haha, the battery will run out by the end of a day, regardless. For me. |
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| 20:32.40 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, mine does a few days when used as a phone |
| 20:32.40 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: to make it last all day, you need to make it useless :P |
| 20:33.04 | ShadowJK | Of course right now I'm downloading stuff at 5 megabit/s :P |
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| 20:33.28 | luke-jr | perhaps I need to figure out a way to tell SIP/XMPP to stfu when there's no use |
| 20:33.36 | ShadowJK | not using charger cable because only place I found the good signal in this room is charger port down in my coffee cup, on top of the 15" CRT :D |
| 20:33.55 | jacekowski | well, it would be nice if os could be clever enough and synchronise wake ups as much as possible |
| 20:34.15 | ShadowJK | Yeah there's libiphb, but i dont think much anything uses it? |
| 20:34.25 | jacekowski | and pause processes that don't have to operate when phone is not used |
| 20:34.25 | Zucca | Venemo: The thing I first said here (and my point was) that recording fails if one uses ulv settings. I wasn't complaining about it. I just noticed it. Then after that someone starts to talk to me like I was complete ass. I even investigated the, so called, problem a bit and realized that you can record on ulv, but you haveto to keep the frequency locked to 600MHz to be able to do that, since cpu doesn't "catch" the video processing fast enough. |
| 20:34.35 | ShadowJK | And QT is getting, or has, timer slewing so that timers eventually converge and fire simultaneously |
| 20:34.50 | luke-jr | wonders how long a system will tolerate its connection window set to 0 |
| 20:34.58 | h4waii | Won't help shit if the kernel isn't tolerant. |
| 20:35.04 | jacekowski | luke-jr: quite a long time |
| 20:35.21 | luke-jr | jacekowski: know any way to use that? ;) |
| 20:35.25 | jacekowski | luke-jr: connections can be kept in that state for hours |
| 20:35.30 | luke-jr | set all TCP windows to 0 when turning screen off⦠|
| 20:35.33 | jacekowski | luke-jr: some DoS exploits |
| 20:35.42 | luke-jr | although, then you can miss calls :/ |
| 20:35.43 | ShadowJK | Except connections to 4chan, 4chan's server drops all 0-window connections on sight |
| 20:35.51 | ShadowJK | and don't ask me how I discovered this |
| 20:36.25 | luke-jr | I guess this really does need to be app-level |
| 20:36.32 | jacekowski | nope |
| 20:36.34 | jacekowski | kernel can do it |
| 20:36.48 | jacekowski | and unless it's something like irc |
| 20:36.50 | ShadowJK | Well protocol awareness would help alot |
| 20:36.54 | jacekowski | that requires ping every so often |
| 20:36.56 | luke-jr | jacekowski: kernel can't stop traffic except for actual user-needed notifications (calls) |
| 20:36.57 | ShadowJK | already does it for IRC sometimes :P |
| 20:37.03 | ShadowJK | but I'm using a bouncer and do it on the bouncer's server |
| 20:37.24 | SpeedEvil | A smart proxy that can filter and aggregate would be lovely |
| 20:37.29 | SpeedEvil | Quack. |
| 20:37.50 | SpeedEvil | Including web-compressing, and VPN over multiple networks. |
| 20:37.54 | luke-jr | maybe use QoS bits? |
| 20:38.00 | jacekowski | TOS |
| 20:38.04 | luke-jr | whatever |
| 20:38.07 | jacekowski | but tos isn't supposed to be used for that |
| 20:38.12 | luke-jr | jacekowski: why? |
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| 20:38.19 | ShadowJK | i thought the TOS bits were deprecated |
| 20:38.21 | jacekowski | read the rfc |
| 20:38.43 | ShadowJK | "VPN over multiple networks" <- what does that mean? |
| 20:39.01 | jacekowski | like a roaming |
| 20:39.06 | ShadowJK | Is that like how my IRC goes over openvpn, and openvpn seamlessly moves from wifi to cellular and back? |
| 20:39.12 | jacekowski | yeah |
| 20:39.34 | luke-jr | jacekowski: RFC says I can't slow down packets with bulk TOS bits? |
| 20:39.58 | jacekowski | luke-jr: RFC specifies what goes into TOS bits |
| 20:40.14 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: yes |
| 20:40.56 | SpeedEvil | ShadowJK: Also - rtmp may be blocked if on 2g |
| 20:41.03 | jacekowski | luke-jr: and using this bits for something else may break things |
| 20:41.22 | SpeedEvil | It's handy for my ISP |
| 20:41.35 | SpeedEvil | as it sets the TOS bits depending on what queue traffic is in. |
| 20:41.46 | SpeedEvil | So I can tell what priority my connections are getting |
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| 20:44.32 | Lateralush | I would highly recommend anyone who is able should stop by the upcoming MeeGo meetup - http://www.meetup.com/SFBay-MeeGo-Network/calendar/14595527/ |
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| 20:44.56 | luke-jr | jacekowski: RFC specifies a bit of TOS for "Prompt delivery is important" |
| 20:45.16 | luke-jr | jacekowski: why can't that be used to force an aggregate flush? |
| 20:45.29 | jacekowski | it can |
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| 20:48.12 | luke-jr | so an IP tunnel that has OOB control of flushing (every X minutes, every X bytes, 'now', and "delay" TOS bit) |
| 20:48.26 | luke-jr | maybe a minimum precedence level |
| 20:48.37 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: something like that |
| 20:49.01 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Adding protocol support - forex http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Server:WebProxy |
| 20:49.21 | luke-jr | maybe only flush if low-delay=1 && precedence > priority |
| 20:49.34 | luke-jr | and flush within 10 seconds if low-delay=1 && precedence > routine |
| 20:50.40 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: that's high-level |
| 20:51.32 | luke-jr | the IP-level system could work if Asterisk and ejabberd are slightly modified to flag message/call packets as low-delay, immediate (or priority, for text) precedence |
| 20:52.01 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: yes, it's high level. |
| 20:52.25 | luke-jr | another control for the IP-level design: disable buffering altogether (while the screen is on) |
| 20:52.27 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: In principle, it'd be nice to be able to have a 'plug and play' bit of buggering software. |
| 20:52.46 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Which could have high and low level buggering, including protocol aware. |
| 20:52.53 | SpeedEvil | err |
| 20:52.53 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: well, one could always add heureustics to the proxy |
| 20:53.01 | SpeedEvil | I should look at the screern while typing. |
| 20:53.06 | SpeedEvil | I was watching my fish. |
| 20:53.09 | luke-jr | iptables can set TOS bits in layer-7 |
| 20:53.30 | luke-jr | but sure |
| 20:53.42 | SpeedEvil | What might also be interesting - in principe - would be per-user or process TOS |
| 20:53.43 | luke-jr | might be nicer to use plugins for that |
| 20:53.51 | luke-jr | but it would probably use more CPU on the server |
| 20:54.30 | luke-jr | I think it's better left to netfilter ⺠|
| 20:54.39 | luke-jr | then you can do another unrelated things wiht the protocol inspection results |
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| 20:56.18 | mc_teo` | the last few days ive been constantly getting updates for pyQt demo and full binding packages |
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| 20:56.41 | mc_teo` | everytime i try to update them, i get a corrupt package error |
| 20:57.04 | mc_teo` | any others getting this, and any idea how to fix |
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| 21:00.04 | mc_teo` | ah, its the demo package is conflicting with the full install package |
| 21:00.20 | mc_teo` | so unistalling the demo should let it update |
| 21:02.18 | luke-jr | ew |
| 21:02.30 | luke-jr | IPv6 redefines the TOS bits as "undefined" :/ |
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| 21:03.04 | ShadowJK | i think they were already redefined in ipv4 too |
| 21:03.08 | SpeedEvil | Don't you Lurve spec bugs! |
| 21:03.12 | SpeedEvil | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10354 |
| 21:03.13 | povbot | Bug 10354: Symbol virtual keyboard inconsistent to access from hardware keyboard. |
| 21:03.15 | SpeedEvil | sighs. |
| 21:03.43 | SpeedEvil | 'mashing the two keys shouldn't work reliably' = broken spec |
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| 21:04.56 | luke-jr | the proxy should respond to ARP on its own.. |
| 21:05.18 | SpeedEvil | ARP, probably ping |
| 21:05.18 | luke-jr | provided its connection is alive |
| 21:05.26 | luke-jr | no, that would be evi |
| 21:05.28 | luke-jr | evil |
| 21:06.59 | th3hate | this folder is taking 200Mb of /home (/home/user/kroll) how can i symlink it into MyDocs? |
| 21:07.56 | SpeedEvil | If it's purely files, and does not have any ownership or permissions requirements, simply copy it, and then symlink the directory |
| 21:07.57 | mc_teo` | SpeedEvil: ha, i would of thought the buttons label would make it obvious |
| 21:08.19 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: Sure. |
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| 21:08.50 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: However - is there any sane rationale at all for mashing the two buttons sometimes working, sometimes not? |
| 21:09.08 | th3hate | SpeedEvil, can you tell me how to? cp /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs ? |
| 21:09.12 | th3hate | will that work? |
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| 21:09.19 | mc_teo` | no |
| 21:09.28 | SpeedEvil | you need cp -R I think |
| 21:10.09 | mc_teo` | mv /home/user/kroll/* /home/user/MyDocs/kroll/ |
| 21:10.10 | th3hate | kroll is game, so files are required for it to run i guess |
| 21:10.30 | SpeedEvil | If it has binaries, it will not work. |
| 21:10.37 | SpeedEvil | As they will not be executable on mydocs |
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| 21:11.02 | mc_teo` | can you not chmod +x |
| 21:11.05 | th3hate | core.pakd000, core.pakh, game_user_info.savegame, Kroll |
| 21:11.07 | luke-jr | ponders if this can be integrated into iodine sanely |
| 21:11.08 | th3hate | these are the files |
| 21:11.24 | mc_teo` | or is that a security feature |
| 21:11.45 | SpeedEvil | mc_teo`: vfat does not support +x |
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| 21:14.16 | th3hate | i have a duplicate dir (/home/home/xxx) |
| 21:14.31 | th3hate | is it safe to delete it? |
| 21:17.57 | nox- | moin |
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| 21:26.46 | th3hate | can i delete this dir to free rootfs? /var/lib/dpkg |
| 21:27.40 | liori | th3hate: only if you never want to install or remove any app later |
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| 21:28.16 | th3hate | i'll take that as a no |
| 21:28.37 | th3hate | i only have 40 app installed , yet rootfs is 90% full |
| 21:28.53 | th3hate | doubt any non-optified apps are installed |
| 21:29.34 | liori | th3hate: have you actually checked which files take the most space? |
| 21:30.07 | th3hate | yeah, using storage usage app to figure out |
| 21:30.35 | th3hate | /usr/lib is taking up 171Mb of rootfs |
| 21:30.40 | jacekowski | hmm, |
| 21:30.42 | jacekowski | 1.1? |
| 21:31.14 | th3hate | 1.2 |
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| 21:33.34 | h4waii | Let's say I wanted to launch osso-xterm upon boot, after hildon pops up. |
| 21:33.50 | h4waii | Why does an upstart script waiting for hildon-desktop not work? Is it a different trigger PID I need? |
| 21:34.08 | jacekowski | well, it does work |
| 21:34.23 | jacekowski | but osso-xterm fails to connect to Xserver probably |
| 21:34.46 | h4waii | Makes perfect sense. |
| 21:35.05 | h4waii | Solution? |
| 21:36.51 | h4waii | I'm creating a script to snapshot processes so I can open them after a nightly power-cycle. |
| 21:38.46 | jacekowski | export DISPLAY=:0 before executing xterm |
| 21:38.58 | h4waii | and fcron doesn't support @reboot for some recockulous reason |
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| 21:40.49 | firestorm | vnc server is not under the apps is there another deposrity *spellin* i need to add? |
| 21:41.12 | h4waii | VNCserver? x11vnc? |
| 21:41.12 | kerio | ~debian firestorm |
| 21:41.13 | infobot | ACTION tells firestorm to RTFM!!!! GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!! |
| 21:42.07 | firestorm | oh ffs thanks h4waii :) |
| 21:42.43 | h4waii | jacekowski, still doesn't open it. |
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| 21:44.51 | h4waii | Perhaps, xsession instead of hildon-desktop ? |
| 21:45.29 | th3hate | mv /usr/share/nokia-maps /home/opt/ |
| 21:45.58 | th3hate | mv:cannot remove '/home/opt/nokia-maps' : is a directory |
| 21:46.01 | th3hate | any idea why? |
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| 21:46.43 | joelpet | hi! i installed openjazz on my N900 and used the settings option to remap the keys.. problem is that they seem to have been remapped on a global system level. any idea on how to fix this? |
| 21:47.20 | h4waii | th3hate; the error message is right there. It's a directory. |
| 21:47.51 | th3hate | h4waii, right but i wanna move it out of rootfs, any idea how? |
| 21:48.37 | th3hate | oh nevermind , it's already in /opt i guess |
| 21:49.43 | h4waii | Please make sure you symlink it back. |
| 21:50.17 | th3hate | actually it's both in /root and /opt |
| 21:50.18 | th3hate | pfft |
| 21:50.33 | th3hate | that's why rootfs is full |
| 21:51.07 | h4waii | jacekowski, FYI - run-standalone.sh fixed it, without exporting the variable. |
| 21:51.57 | mc_teo` | th3hate: i think you need a move -R |
| 21:52.05 | firestorm | urgh been so long can't remeber how to use this phone! |
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| 21:52.41 | mc_teo` | mv -R rather |
| 21:53.23 | th3hate | what does -R stand for? |
| 21:53.36 | h4waii | recursive. |
| 21:54.16 | mc_teo` | well you cant rm a dir without -r so i presume the same for mv |
| 21:55.02 | mc_teo` | but since -r and -R probably have different functions, i would double check on google |
| 21:55.04 | th3hate | what about ln -s, what is it for? |
| 21:55.37 | mc_teo` | link symbolicoly, iirc |
| 21:55.55 | joelpet | yep, that's correct |
| 21:56.02 | mc_teo` | ln is link, the -s means symlink |
| 21:58.12 | th3hate | you think this will work to free up /home? |
| 21:58.14 | th3hate | mv /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs/ |
| 21:58.14 | th3hate | ln -s /home/user/kroll /home/user/MyDocs/kroll |
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| 21:58.31 | th3hate | kroll is a game taking 200mb of /home |
| 21:59.33 | mc_teo` | will fapmans apt gui ever replace the app manager |
| 22:00.04 | mc_teo` | or at least use some of his code to speed up the app manager |
| 22:00.59 | Shadikka | yeah, the scrolling in that actually feels nice |
| 22:01.44 | th3hate | is it safe to delete some locales i don't need in usr/share/locale to free rootfs space? |
| 22:02.13 | Shadikka | Probably, but don't quote me on that. |
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| 22:02.44 | mc_teo` | th3hate: i pretty sure there are loads of wiki tutorials that give you many options to free rootfs space |
| 22:03.23 | pupnik | Really bad news people: REALLY bad news on the software law side >>> http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/09/the-end-of-used-major-ruling-upholds-tough-software-licenses.ars |
| 22:03.36 | th3hate | mc_teo`, i did everything menitioned in the wiki, yet my rootfs is still 86% full |
| 22:04.25 | mc_teo` | and i dont mind the scrolling, its just currently, there is no way to select numerous packages to install |
| 22:04.29 | mc_teo` | or update |
| 22:05.10 | mc_teo` | i would rather select a few, and install them in one go, rather than waiting the few minutes in between |
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| 22:05.17 | h4waii | th3hate, yes. But make sure you delete the right ones. |
| 22:05.58 | th3hate | h4waii, i guess everything but en_GB |
| 22:06.11 | h4waii | Very much not so. |
| 22:06.21 | Shadikka | mc_teo`: well, let me rephrase that, the scrolling in it is something I wouldn't mind seeing as the Maemo default |
| 22:06.23 | h4waii | At the least, symlink them out of / and into /opt |
| 22:07.17 | mc_teo` | th3hate: one of the tutorials definately mentioned moving the locales and symlinking them |
| 22:07.54 | liori | th3hate: in debian there is a nice package `localepurge`. i don't know if it is in maemo repos too |
| 22:08.22 | joelpet | Ah, seems like openjazz set the keyboard to english layout and then did not reset it to swedish (which is what i am currently using). So problem solved by editing the settings in Text input---> Hardware kerbord layout |
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| 22:16.28 | th3hate | just noticed most of ovi free apps aren't optified, weatherbug for example takes 3Mb of rootfs |
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| 22:18.45 | lindi- | could some sort of overlay filesystem be better suited for choosing dynamically what to store on rootfs and what on sd? |
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| 22:20.50 | RST38h | very other hour |
| 22:20.50 | RST38h | or two to give the impression of never sleeping |
| 22:20.58 | RST38h | sorry wrong paste |
| 22:21.10 | RST38h | http://gizmodo.com/5635207/will-you-buy-a-nokia-device-in-the-future |
| 22:21.14 | RST38h | Here, check it out |
| 22:22.02 | ShadowJK | check what out.. |
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| 22:23.04 | ShadowJK | I guess I'll have to fire up a web browser then if you wont say :P |
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| 22:24.56 | luke-jr | hmm, better than a proxy would be having the servers in question just not send data until needed ⦠;P |
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| 22:25.49 | luke-jr | wait, I already thought of that⦠problem is there are two different "better"s |
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| 22:29.38 | luke-jr | problem with a proxy is the added latency |
| 22:29.48 | luke-jr | for those real-time things⦠|
| 22:30.21 | ShadowJK | lol real time |
| 22:30.24 | ShadowJK | on 3g |
| 22:30.36 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: like RTP |
| 22:31.02 | ShadowJK | data stops for a second if the operator decides to upgrade you from 3g to hsdpa or downgrade you from hsdpa to 3g :) |
| 22:31.37 | luke-jr | so never? |
| 22:31.53 | luke-jr | N900 has no hsdpa, n00b |
| 22:31.58 | ShadowJK | ... it does |
| 22:32.09 | SpeedEvil | You can never convince all servers on the net to do this. |
| 22:32.15 | SpeedEvil | You can with a proxy |
| 22:32.19 | luke-jr | isn't hsdpa = 4G? |
| 22:32.33 | Wolfie | 3.5 |
| 22:32.33 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, that's up to politicians to decide |
| 22:32.40 | ShadowJK | but N900 calls it "3.5G" |
| 22:32.45 | luke-jr | o |
| 22:32.55 | ShadowJK | Typically wimax and LTE are called 4g |
| 22:33.27 | ShadowJK | N900 has 10 Mbit/s HSDPA and 2 MBit/s HSUPA |
| 22:33.31 | luke-jr | so I should just force 3G only? |
| 22:34.07 | ShadowJK | You can force "3g or 3.5g but no 2g or 2.5g", but you can't do "3g only no 3.5g" |
| 22:34.20 | luke-jr | :/ |
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| 22:34.58 | ShadowJK | Basically data isn't realtime |
| 22:35.06 | ShadowJK | maybe it will be on 4g in the future.. |
| 22:35.17 | luke-jr | so how are calls supposed to work? |
| 22:36.13 | ShadowJK | calls don't use packet data |
| 22:36.18 | SpeedEvil | calls don't use IP |
| 22:36.42 | SpeedEvil | Does anyone happen to know what encapsulation 'video calls' use/ |
| 22:36.49 | ShadowJK | on 4g they're supposed to, so I guess operators can still charge you through the nose for not randomly delaying your packets by seconds during calls |
| 22:37.15 | SpeedEvil | That is 'normal' 3G video calls |
| 22:37.22 | ShadowJK | SpeedEvil, whatever it is, it's probably like MMS+WAP, a "Not Invented Here" redesign of some standard internet protocol |
| 22:37.36 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 22:37.58 | SpeedEvil | I was idly wondering if there was a way to use it for point-point data |
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| 22:38.29 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: no? SIP is packet |
| 22:39.00 | RST38h | SpeedEvil: http://www.radvision.com/NR/rdonlyres/87BFD933-F834-49D8-9266-FD3D6F230740/0/3G324M_Integration_to_Windows_Mobile.pdf |
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| 22:39.20 | ShadowJK | luke-jr, "normal" voice calls aren't SIP |
| 22:39.26 | h4waii | Uh what? You can force 2G and no 2.5G? |
| 22:39.33 | ShadowJK | no |
| 22:39.55 | luke-jr | ShadowJK: SIP is all the voice I have |
| 22:40.29 | ShadowJK | On a data link that will happily delay packets for half a minute if it feels like it :) |
| 22:40.44 | luke-jr | â¹ |
| 22:41.06 | luke-jr | is this a limitation of the spec(s), or of Nokia's blob/ |
| 22:41.07 | luke-jr | ? |
| 22:41.37 | h4waii | What limitaion? |
| 22:41.50 | luke-jr | being unable to lock to 3G only |
| 22:41.54 | luke-jr | or 2G only |
| 22:42.19 | h4waii | AFAIK, a bit of 4 different columns. |
| 22:42.45 | h4waii | carrier, network, implementation and handset. |
| 22:42.53 | h4waii | Although network and implementation are carrier-related. |
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| 22:47.11 | luke-jr | do all 3G phones support 3.5? |
| 22:47.18 | luke-jr | couldn't N900 lie about its capabiltiies? |
| 22:52.14 | MohammadAG51 | luke-jr, all 3.5G phones support 3G, not the opposite |
| 22:52.27 | MohammadAG51 | 6680 had 3G, no 3.5G |
| 22:53.58 | ShadowJK | "real" voice calls are prioritized over data anyways :) |
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| 22:54.47 | jacktheripper | does anyone have fcam working with titan's ? and is the normal camera app supposed to work with fcam-drivers there ? |
| 22:56.14 | SpeedEvil | fcam dies for me with the stock kernel |
| 22:56.32 | jacktheripper | what exactly 'dies' ? |
| 22:56.42 | SpeedEvil | segfaults on boot |
| 22:56.48 | SpeedEvil | start of fcam |
| 22:56.57 | jacktheripper | weird |
| 22:57.59 | SpeedEvil | oops - power kernel actually |
| 22:58.05 | SpeedEvil | reverts |
| 22:58.20 | jacktheripper | why wouldn't you want the power kernel ?' |
| 22:58.37 | SpeedEvil | Because I want fcam |
| 22:58.43 | SpeedEvil | And I don't care about overclocking. |
| 22:58.57 | SpeedEvil | And I would actually rather for various purposes have a vanilla kernel onboard. |
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| 23:00.07 | luke-jr | MohammadAG51: so why couldn't N900 tell carriers it doesn't support 3.5G? |
| 23:02.23 | luke-jr | jacktheripper: because you don't want some stupid app being able to overclock your OMAP? |
| 23:03.20 | jacktheripper | luke-jr: I prefer having the choice to do so. I actually keep it for the wifi monitor-mode channels bug though. |
| 23:03.34 | luke-jr | ? |
| 23:03.56 | jacktheripper | with the stock kernel, monitor-mode only finds networks on channel 6 |
| 23:04.08 | luke-jr | if you're associated with something on channel 6, sure |
| 23:04.37 | jacktheripper | monitor-mode means you're associated with nothing. |
| 23:04.51 | luke-jr | no, it doesn't. |
| 23:04.54 | jacktheripper | it allows for sniffing packets |
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| 23:05.35 | luke-jr | I suppose on N900 it does due to another bug |
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| 23:05.57 | luke-jr | but *normally* you can be connected *and* monitor |
| 23:07.07 | jacktheripper | I honestly didn't try that before. |
| 23:07.18 | luke-jr | you just need to create another interface on the phy |
| 23:07.45 | luke-jr | then put one in STA mode, and the other in Monitor mode |
| 23:07.53 | jacktheripper | I know |
| 23:08.09 | luke-jr | it's nice to do that from my desktop, then when I get out of range it begins hopping channels |
| 23:08.27 | luke-jr | then when I get back in range, it locks back to 6 and associates |
| 23:08.55 | firestorm | evening |
| 23:09.07 | firestorm | any one off the top of thier heads tell me what least firmware is |
| 23:09.19 | Bobbe | 1.2 |
| 23:11.14 | h4waii | MohammadAG51; What's the possbility of using the hw keyboard through USB HID? |
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| 23:12.35 | firestorm | ty :) |
| 23:12.58 | luke-jr | someone in #Jesus burned a Quran today: http://i.imgur.com/iv4lg.jpg |
| 23:13.21 | firestorm | cweaion 10.2010.39-1.203.3 |
| 23:13.25 | firestorm | version* |
| 23:14.09 | firestorm | that sound right bub |
| 23:14.30 | firestorm | Bobbe* |
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| 23:27.20 | jacktheripper | fcam doesn't even work with stock. |
| 23:28.55 | jacktheripper | does anyone here have it working ? |
| 23:34.57 | DocScrutinizer51 | I used fcam |
| 23:35.22 | DocScrutinizer51 | I *never* used power kernel |
| 23:35.30 | DocScrutinizer51 | I don't give a shit |
| 23:35.57 | jacktheripper | I can't figure out why it doesn't work here :/ |
| 23:36.54 | DocScrutinizer51 | ande I'm 5h on UMTS, using xchat |
| 23:37.17 | jacktheripper | :O |
| 23:37.33 | DocScrutinizer51 | bat icon down to 66percent |
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| 23:38.18 | jacktheripper | 3G doesn't take as much as 3.5G. |
| 23:38.37 | DocScrutinizer51 | false |
| 23:40.44 | DocScrutinizer51 | probably 3.5 takes 2% less than _ |
| 23:41.38 | DocScrutinizer51 | than 3G... wtf? |
| 23:41.52 | ShadowJK | wtf? |
| 23:42.01 | MNZ51 | wtf? |
| 23:42.05 | ShadowJK | HSDPA eats gigantic amounts of power for me :) |
| 23:42.10 | jacktheripper | wtf? |
| 23:42.35 | DocScrutinizer51 | wtf for typo |
| 23:42.50 | ShadowJK | Well it depends on the task, of course |
| 23:43.02 | ShadowJK | downloading a 700M file, HSDPA wins in power efficiency |
| 23:43.29 | ShadowJK | But when each chat line on IRC keeps the radio transmitting 8seconds with my operator... |
| 23:44.07 | DocScrutinizer51 | which it does with 3 and 3.5 anyway |
| 23:44.37 | ShadowJK | All I know is that when the icon changes from 3 to 3.5G, power consumption goes from 300-400 to 900-1100 :D |
| 23:44.59 | ShadowJK | (screen on) |
| 23:45.08 | DocScrutinizer51 | mhm |
| 23:45.09 | DocScrutinizer51 | interesting |
| 23:45.20 | DocScrutinizer51 | got plots? |
| 23:45.39 | ShadowJK | nope, what kind of plots? |
| 23:46.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | I/event |
| 23:46.23 | ShadowJK | hm, need a way to obtain 3g/3.5g status programmatically.. |
| 23:46.53 | DocScrutinizer51 | as 3.5 simply is a more efficient way to cod bits afaik |
| 23:47.43 | DocScrutinizer51 | like q16 vs q64 |
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| 23:48.30 | ShadowJK | Yeah well, NASA used to have mainframes working overnight to decode 30 minute transmission from outer solar system with similar coding ;p |
| 23:49.45 | ShadowJK | decoding isn't free :) |
| 23:50.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | maybe, but i'd like to see solid numbers |
| 23:50.51 | ShadowJK | But it could also be that since my operator switches from 3g to 3.5g at 498 byte/s or so, the 3g/3.5g icon just notifies me of actual traffic flowing |
| 23:52.42 | DocScrutinizer51 | carrier offers 3.5 all the time. It's just the actual (tx) traffic that makes the icon show 3.5 |
| 23:52.42 | SpeedEvil | Well - there are somewhat numbers on my page on power use |
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| 23:53.45 | ShadowJK | Carrier also decides when handset uses WCDMA and when it switches over to HSDPA |
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| 23:54.16 | iluminator101 | does ovi maps for n900 now have turn by turn voice feature ??? |
| 23:55.22 | ShadowJK | Statistics collected by other people have determined that it takes a ping of 498 bytes per second to make my carrier switch from WCDMA to HSDPA, and that switching causes 1290 ms delay. Then it stays on HSDPA for 8s after last activity (or activity > unknown threshold) before it drops back to WCDMA |
| 23:55.23 | DocScrutinizer51 | no |
| 23:56.00 | jaska | 1920ms delay? ouch. |
| 23:56.06 | ShadowJK | 1290 |
| 23:56.23 | jaska | ah oh, still ouch |
| 23:56.32 | ShadowJK | DNA was fastest with 880 ms |
| 23:56.41 | jaska | and even that is pretty slow |
| 23:57.04 | ShadowJK | And Sonera switched to HSDPA at 32 byte ping per second already |
| 23:58.36 | ShadowJK | 77ms ping rtt on HSDPA, 268ms ping rtt on WCDMA with my operator (Elisa/Saunalahti).. I guess the HSDPA pings were >498 bytes to keep hsdpa alive :-) |
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| 23:59.36 | DocScrutinizer51 | bah, rtt 58ms on EDGE |
| 23:59.59 | crashanddie | what are you guys ping'ing? |
