IRC log for #maemo on 20100909

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00:46.51MNZI'm off to zzland
00:47.04MNZpasses out
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01:24.06aircan control panel plugins be directly launched with a command?
01:24.28SpeedEvilno
01:24.40SpeedEvilthey are libraries loaded by the control panel app
01:24.49SpeedEvilAs I understand it.
01:25.01airi know that, just wondering if control panel has a parameter to launch them
01:25.53SpeedEvilI would wonder about dbus
01:25.58SpeedEvilI doubt it though
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01:36.36MohammadAGhmm, is there a way to keep cat-ing a file till the value in it changes?
01:37.15mortiniprobalby not waht you're looking for, but watch?
01:37.44mortiniwatch just runs whatever command over and over every x seconds
01:38.03airwatch wouldnt abort
01:39.31airyou could use while 1 in a script and test the file each iteration
01:41.53airV=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done
01:42.11airsomething like that
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01:53.14SpeedEvilMohammadAG: do you mean till the file changes?
01:53.24MohammadAGyes
01:53.34SpeedEvilMohammadAG: find will do that perhaps - if newer than
01:53.37SpeedEvilgnu find
01:53.55MohammadAGI need to monitor a proc entry
01:53.59SpeedEvilah
01:54.05MohammadAGwhen it changes I want to send a dbus command
01:54.05SpeedEvilthose aren't real files
01:54.07MohammadAGall in sh
01:54.16MohammadAGtrue, but they can be cat'd ;)
01:54.20SpeedEvilThey don't change unless you read htem
01:54.43SpeedEvilSo while, read, ...
01:55.19MohammadAGisn't there something like while `cat /proc/node` = "somevalue"; loop; else echo etc...
01:55.22MohammadAGif you get what I mean
01:55.47air<air> V=`cat filename` while [ 1 ]; do [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ] && exit done
01:56.49air<air> V=`cat filename` while [ "$V" -ne "`cat filename`" ]; do sleep 1 done
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04:33.13ebzzryDoes a website exists that lists available packages, for say extras-testing?
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04:55.41budfiveanybody know how to submit patches to hildon? There's a gitorious web interface but I can't find a mailing list of bugzilla or anything of that nature
05:03.23airhttps://bugs.maemo.org
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05:07.34airebzzry: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/diablo/
05:14.58budfiveair: hildon maintainers read the main maemo bugzilla?
05:16.50slonopotamusbudfive: there are hildon maintainers?
05:18.24budfiveslonopotamus: somebody pushes to the repo...
05:20.03slonopotamusbudfive: http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/624231109e727e7b4c21c9f1a526ff191c309e5a
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05:20.59budfiveslonopotamus: ok.... somebody still has commit access
05:21.23budfiveslonopotamus: I don't have rights to just push into the repo. Are you saying that nobody at all does this anymore?
05:22.04slonopotamusbudfive: those few pushes that happened after that commit were from same person
05:22.25slonopotamusbudfive: i guess all people who had commit access still have it
05:22.52slonopotamus"few" = 3
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05:24.10budfiveslonopotamus: ok. I'll send my patch to the maemo bugzilla, and if somebody picks it up, great. Don't have time to take over maintenance myself, sadly
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05:38.02ebzzryair: thanks
05:38.16adalalhey, i was wondering if there is a way to sync the n900 over bluetooth to evolution..
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05:39.53MiXu-adalal: I prefer Syncml over HTTP over any type of local sync.
05:40.02MiXu-Makes things much easier
05:40.18adalalMiXu-: right, but that involves getting a 3rd party?
05:40.52MiXu-adalal: Not unless you run the server yourself
05:41.02MiXu-Funambol server is pretty easy to setup for example
05:42.03adalalcool..
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05:44.12adalalMiXu-: all good, but won't that mean that I'll have to create a ad-hoc network if i need to sync w/o any wireless stations present?
05:45.17MiXu-It's up to you how you want to do it as long as 1) The server is accessible from public internet and 2) the clients can access the internet
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05:52.12adalalMiXu-: im sure it can be done over local network right?
05:53.05MiXu-adalal: Sure can, but then you're tied to that network for sync. And where's the fun in that :)
05:53.19adalalMiXu-: i wanna be able to sync on the go
05:53.21adalalon my laptop
05:53.22adalal:P
05:53.30adalali dont have a desktop to bank on with me
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06:10.04jpinx-eeepcwhen I ssh into the n900 and sshfs the filesystem to a local box (my eeepc) and create a file in the micro SD card it still comes up as being owned byt the sysem user 29999 and I can not work the file over sshfs. How do I get around this?
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06:12.27jpinx-eeepcI even created a new user in the n900 and tried to use that for working over sshfs, but everything seems to revert to being owned by 29999
06:13.02spinningcompassjpinx-eeepc: Is the micro SD card in the N900?
06:13.10jpinx-eeepcyep
06:13.25ieatlintthere's likely -o mount option to override the uid
06:13.32spinningcompassieatlint: Yes.
06:13.41jpinx-eeepc-o allow_others you think?
06:13.49spinningcompassieatlint: -o gid=... uid=... I think.
06:14.09jpinx-eeepcok - thanks guys - back to man sshfs ;)
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06:14.52ieatlintyeah, that looks right, although there is apparently a more advanced feature for it.. "-o idmap"
06:15.22ieatlint"-o idmap=user" seems right
06:15.46CokeHi. Can I remove the default email client?
06:15.55ieatlintsets the uid to that of the authenticated ssh user... basicall -o uid, but autodetecting hte right uid
06:15.59jpinx-eeepccool - thanks - let me disentangle the mess I am in first ;)
06:16.19jpinx-eeepctoo many logins...
06:16.47CokeOr at least remove the link from the apps page?
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06:22.25CokeWhat email program is recommended
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06:22.36CokeJust installed claws and I cant use it with my fingers, the UI is too tiny
06:22.44merlin1991to remove the link from the apps page just rename/remove the .desktop file
06:23.20Cokewhere are the desktop files?
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06:23.58CokeIn any case, there's no point in removing that email cient if I cannot find a replacement.
06:24.50Cokeclaws isn't really ported for a touch screen so I gotta try and find something else.
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06:25.55Cokeno kinetic scrolling and must use pen will make it very cumbersome to work in claws.
06:26.21daniel32708Guys, anyone knows a link to installing android on the n810 to run as a maemo app?    The ones I have found date back to 2008...a crappy android...  any help would be greatly appreciated!
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06:28.22CokeOk, I've tried both Claws and QMF, both lack proper finger-adapted controls for quick and easy use. I cannot find any other email applications by searching for "mail" in the application manager, any suggestions?
06:29.58CreamyGwhat's wrong with the default one?
06:30.09CokeIt can't handle attachments properly
06:30.24rasteryay! can't!
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06:31.24CokeOr some anyway.
06:31.31CokeBut it's bad enough that some can't be handled.
06:31.48CreamyGcan't you save them?
06:31.51Cokeno
06:31.57Cokethere's no menu option
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06:32.12CokeGot a support issue on it yesterday
06:32.19CreamyGthat's dumb
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06:32.57CokeYeah I know.
06:33.16CokeIt's marked as "has attachment", but the menu item isnt there
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06:37.49DocScrutinizermoos at raster
06:38.03CokeOk, so what mail client to use then?
06:38.14CokeIs there any finger friendly replacement that can save attachments, always?
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06:38.50DocScrutinizerno
06:39.01CreamyGyeah i dunno man, i used to use claws on an n800, now i use the default
06:39.06DocScrutinizerwebmailer
06:39.08rasterDocScrutinizer:  DOC!!!!!!
06:39.10CreamyGits slow but i never had problems
06:39.15rasterDocScrutinizer: wossap?
06:39.25DocScrutinizerwinter
06:39.31rasterwinter?
06:39.36rastera bit early fro that
06:39.45DocScrutinizeryeah :-/
06:39.47airclaws is finger friendly, if you have small fingers :)
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06:40.07CokeHmm.
06:40.12DocScrutinizerI had warmer xmas
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06:40.56rastersudden weather change over in de?
06:41.18DocScrutinizernot so sudden, seems since a month or so now
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06:41.54rasterreally?
06:41.56rasterweird
06:42.01rasterbeen warm and stuff here
06:42.14DocScrutinizerJuli was hot like hell, Aug is more winter than summer
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06:43.17jpinx-eeepchot here :)
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06:46.18rasteri'd rather freeze than sweat :)
06:46.31rasterfreezi ng can be solved with some vigorous activity
06:46.31raster:)
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06:52.58DocScrutinizerraster: is there also a R's parcel service next to bank of R?
06:54.12DocScrutinizerraster: DHL is too daft to get a package from HEL to Moscow
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06:55.04CokeI dont understand why it can detect the attachment, but won't add any menu to save it.
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06:55.31DocScrutinizerCoke: maybe this is related to the code?
06:55.46CokeWhat code?
06:55.55DocScrutinizerthe program code
06:56.17CokeYes, ofcourse it is.
06:56.19CokeIt's a bug. :)
06:56.41DocScrutinizeryes, that's what it's usually called :-P
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06:57.00CokeI'm just amazed to find it
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06:58.16CokeIt's 2010, rfc 822 and 2045 have been around for quite a while
06:58.24DocScrutinizeriirc it's been lingering around since 1.0 alias "I noticed some attachment bug in Dec 2009"
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06:59.00CreamyGopening attachments is probably patented by apple or microsoft or something
06:59.12CokeWell, it makes the entire client unusable for me since it's important that I can save upload the attachments
06:59.25CokeCreamyG: no, these things have been standard for ages
06:59.40DocScrutinizerIt just hit me for mails sent by iPhone
06:59.42meceI get all warm and cuddly when I read about meego for n900 progress.
06:59.54mecehugs Stskeeps
07:00.08CokeDocScrutinizer: same problem?
07:00.18CreamyGthat doesn't mean it's not patented lol. i'm kidding but seriously lots of email stuff is patented
07:00.33Cokerfc 822 and mime is not patented
07:00.39CokeIt's been around since 1982
07:00.53DocScrutinizerA friend sent me some dunnowhat from his iPhone, and the mail's attachment wasn't accessible
07:01.08CreamyGyeah but all they do is reword it to "method for" xxxxx "on a portable device" and they get a patent
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07:01.51DocScrutinizerlemme see if I can spot the mail
07:01.58CreamyGnokia won't display the new emails on our email widget due to "legal issues" for example
07:02.20CreamyGi bet their lawyers are afraid of something
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07:04.56DocScrutinizerCreamyG: wut?
07:05.06CokeCould you find the actual bug report?
07:05.11CokeI'm not sure what to search on
07:06.02CreamyGuhh sure, its kinda funny. i get emails  from it every few weeks.
07:06.20Cokelike "email attachment broken" ?
07:07.26CreamyGno its for the widget that is useless that they don't want to fix due to "legal issues"
07:07.32CreamyGhttps://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10294
07:07.33povbotBug 10294: Email desktop widget does not display mails from Nokia Messaging accounts
07:09.33CokeCreamyG: no thats not it at all
07:09.37Cokenot even close
07:09.52CreamyGwell i never said it was
07:10.26CokeSorry, thought you were responding there
07:12.15Cokepublic standards since 1982, they cant make it happen
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07:13.38CreamyGwell, i would file a new bug report
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07:14.28CreamyGthey might actually fix it
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07:15.55CokeHaha!
07:16.11CokeWell, looks like I cannot receive any attachments from any Apple product.
07:16.34CokeSo, who isn't complying with standards, Apple or Nokia?
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07:17.08CreamyGit's probably the government, reading all the emails and assembling them back together wrong
07:17.13DocScrutinizerok, multipart-related:[HTML-document; JPEG] doesn't show the jpeg picture "embedded" into the html code
07:18.24DocScrutinizerContent-Type: multipart/alternative;
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07:19.02CokeDocScrutinizer: actually
07:19.06DocScrutinizersending a photo per mail was/is failing at least up to PR1.1.1
07:19.06CokeI had another mail from a mac with PNG's
07:19.13Cokeit would show the PNG's but I couldnt save them as attachmetns
07:20.41CokeI think the Maemo mail client is just buggy as a mofo
07:20.44DocScrutinizer--Apple-Mail-1-245749344
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07:20.57CokeSince it worked fine in the other clietns.
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07:22.07DocScrutinizerFAIL
07:23.21airhttp://sse2.net/rotate/ -- is that the most current way to enable rotation?
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07:26.27DocScrutinizerNo, N900 has even more current ways :-/  Could you ask better questions please?
07:27.19airdoesnt n900 come with rotation? :)
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07:29.56DocScrutinizerno
07:30.43DocScrutinizerI'm absolutely sure this Q wasn't better than the prev one
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07:35.37hrwmoirning
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07:44.04sobczykhi is there any software to track distance to inputted gps coordinate?
07:44.13sobczykbut without any maps
07:45.02sobczykinput a coordinate (or a set) and the phone to track how far (and direction if possible) is the first destination point
07:48.56fluxhas anyone compiled Darcs for n900?
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07:51.04DocScrutinizerafaik Ovi Maps is doing that, though with maps
07:51.41sobczyki know software that does it with maps
07:52.02sobczykI just want the maps part stripped, since I have no connectivity
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07:52.30DocScrutinizerI thought no connectivity would strip the maps part automatically ;-D
07:52.57sobczykyes, but the software often complains to connect
07:53.27dr34mmorn
07:53.30DocScrutinizeralso probably it's impossible to define POS/waypoints by lat/lon
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07:55.09DocScrutinizeranyway for all the maps apps there's some method or another to dl all map tiles and use local cache only, so no need for connectivity then
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08:04.41JaffaMorning, all
08:05.22lcukMorning Jaffa, rest of rabble \o
08:05.50[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]morning...
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08:06.12[DarkGUNMAN-Ext]i prefer afternoon.. more sleep needed
08:06.47DocScrutinizer51moo lcuk
08:07.08DocScrutinizer51moo Jaffa
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08:12.07lcukok Maemo, we have a problem.  can someone please confirm that Maemo can multitask better than a piffly Nokia E5 :P
08:12.09lcukhttp://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/
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08:12.26Jaffa"World multitasking record"?
08:12.33lcukthats what I thought
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08:12.55lcukonly 74 apps
08:13.14lcukI bet we can beat that with different app instances easily
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08:13.31dani_zaihi there ...i hv some stupid Qs to ask about my N900....if anyone wants to help ...pls PM me THX!!
08:14.37merlin1991hm was it ~question or ~ask?
08:15.17valdyndani_zai: just ask here, dont limit your audience
08:15.48dani_zaii got my N900 yesterday ...and just now i was searching for apps
08:16.02dani_zaiand then i downloaded them to my PC
08:16.15dani_zaibut i donno how to install them to my phone
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08:16.25dani_zaii cant open the file
08:16.35merlin1991is it a .deb?
08:16.39valdyndani_zai: delete the files on your pc, use the n900 app manager or ovi fromt he n900
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08:17.20dani_zaiic...i thought i can install them from the PC
08:17.24dani_zaistupid me =.=
08:17.34valdyndani_zai: you *can* but its harder than what I just recommended
08:18.11dani_zaiok ...thx for the help!!!
08:18.15dani_zai^_^V
08:18.23merlin1991not that hard if it's .deb files, copy them over in mass storage mode, unplug phone, and open in file manager
08:19.02DocScrutinizer51merlin1991: both
08:19.03dani_zaiok
08:19.17valdynand fix dependencies if needed and fix repositories if its needed and..
08:19.19DocScrutinizer51~question
08:19.20infobotfrom memory, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
08:19.27DocScrutinizer51~ask
08:19.27infobotQuestions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
08:19.36Jaffadneary: Thanks for picking up my point about community work duplication in a much more eloquent way (I tend not to quote Benedictus de Spinosza ;-))
08:19.52dnearyJaffa, I had to look up who said it :)
08:20.11dnearyIt was supposed to be Spinoza, did I spell it wrong?
08:20.34Jaffadneary: You had an extra S. I wonder if anyone will complain ;-)
08:20.47dnearyJaffa, It doesn't shock
08:20.59dnearyso perhaps not
08:21.12dnearyAnd who knows, maybe it's a valid alternative spelling :)
08:21.17DocScrutinizer51lcuk: what? fire up 100+ apps then screenshot top or what's all that about?
08:21.24jo-erlenddoes anybody know of a widget that shows if computers are up or down based on ping? That would be nice, I think.
08:21.36dnearyJaffa, It's always the same, though - professional organisers don't like to leave wires hanging
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08:22.03dnearyYou don't feel comfortable when you say "I need someone to make sure that X happens, I'm not going to do it - let me know"
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08:22.48dneary(at the core is a basic belief that you can't trust the community to just make things happen, and this belief is often proved correct)
08:23.30dnearyHowever, if you do it right, great things can happen
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08:30.59DocScrutinizerlcuk: I'd happily do a `for (( i=0; i<100; i++ )); do someshittyapp&; done` and screenshot the htop header, but honestly - I don't see any way to answer that nonsense on http://mobilegeekinc.mobstac.com/2010/09/04/nokia-e5-breaks-world-multitasking-record/
08:31.24jpinx-eeepcI just loaded lots of .mp3s into a folder I made in MyDocs, but how do I get the media player to play them?
08:31.54keriojpinx-eeepc: wait for tracker to get off his lazy ass and index them
08:32.13jpinx-eeepc:)
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08:32.19DocScrutinizerlcuk: hell, I'm even willing to `/etc/init.d/dbus-scripting start` XD - and snapshot htop showing 900+ processes
08:32.26keriowhile he's doing that, expect the cpu to become fully used and your n900 to be unresponsive
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08:32.32BCMMjpinx-eeepc: if you're in a hurry, you can open them from the file manager
08:32.56kerioDocScrutinizer: lol
08:33.03lcukDocScrutinizer, impossible.
08:33.08jpinx-eeepcnah - not desperaate - I'll leave it overnight to index, etc
08:33.09kerionot sure how they define "applications"
08:33.18lcukwe just have to face it, the E5 is better at multitasking than the N900
08:33.23DocScrutinizerninehundered! Mobilegeekinc take THAT!
08:33.31keriolcuk: .<
08:33.32kerioer
08:33.35kerio:<
08:34.38DocScrutinizerE5, eat it!
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08:37.04DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: install load applet!! watch CPU usage. When tracker finished and CPU going down from 100% to a reasonable low number, probably tracker has finished his friggin indexing and mediaplayer is ready to show/play your media
08:37.48DocScrutinizermaemo6 MUST have load applet by default!
08:37.50DocScrutinizer~2119
08:37.51infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
08:38.34jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: ok thanks
08:38.43kerioDocScrutinizer: or use tracker-status
08:38.54DocScrutinizerburrrrp
08:39.59DocScrutinizerall I use that matches *tracker* is `killall trackerd`
08:40.06keriolol
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08:41.10DocScrutinizershould try `apt-get remove tracker` eventually
08:41.25keriopretty sure the media player depends on it
08:41.42DocScrutinizerbah, purge that crap as well XP
08:43.48kerioi'd use canola but it's ugly
08:43.56kerioand i'm not sure if it supports the bluetooth media keys
08:45.09lcukkerio, i believe canola said it thinks you are ugly too
08:45.13DocScrutinizerbtw my prev statement was a lie. A `history|grep track` shows "mcedit .config/tracker/tracker.cfg"
08:45.28keriolcuk: I AM BEAUTIFUL, NO MATTER WHAT THEY SAY
08:45.34kerioWORDS CAN'T BRING ME DOWN
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08:45.55ieatlintthen you must be pretty autistic
08:46.25kerionah, words - especially loud words - can bring autistics down quickly
08:46.36ieatlintautistic kids rock
08:46.58DocScrutinizerhmmm
08:47.07keriosure, in their chair
08:47.20ieatlintyeah, it's an awesome t-shirt
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08:47.56DocScrutinizerstarts rocking in his chair
08:48.07kerioi'd start rocking but i'm laying down on the couch
08:50.41DocScrutinizer*COUGH*  >>GNU bash, Version 4.0.33(1)-release (i586-suse-linux-gnu)<<  >>GNU bash, version 2.05b.0(1)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnueabi)<<
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08:51.45DocScrutinizerlooks like maemo-bash is a *TAD* out of date
08:52.14soltysyeap, 3.2 is quite old ;)
08:52.44DocScrutinizer3.2?? 2.05b.0(1) !!! WTF!?
08:53.25DocScrutinizer~lart bash-maintainer
08:53.25infobotexecutes killall -TERM bash-maintainer
08:53.46soltyshm 3.2 is in extras or sth like that iirc
08:53.57DocScrutinizerkillall bash-maintainer: error: no process to kill
08:54.56DocScrutinizererr
08:54.59DocScrutinizerkillall: bash-maintainer: no process killed
08:55.20DocScrutinizermore like:
08:55.30DocScrutinizer~seen bash-maintainer
08:55.32infoboti haven't seen 'bash-maintainer', DocScrutinizer
08:56.07DocScrutinizerthat's more to the point
08:56.50DocScrutinizersoltys: yeah, heard something like pkg-name: bash3
08:57.06DocScrutinizerthought it's the *old* version X-P
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08:58.31DocScrutinizerbash2.05  GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!
08:58.48DocScrutinizerto use diction of debian
08:58.55soltysDocScrutinizer: bash3 3.2.33(2)-release (arm-unknown-linux-gnu) ..
08:59.08soltys;)
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09:01.16DocScrutinizerwill apt-get install bash3  kick out that friggin ol bash2.05?
09:01.44merlin1991searching for "GAH!!! HELL FIRE AND BRIMSTONE!!!! BURN!!! DIE!!! MWAHAHAHAHA!!!!" on google gives several irclogpages from this channel as result :D
09:02.02alteregocheck it's details, it should if the package name is the same "bash"
09:02.17DocScrutinizerpackage name is bash3
09:02.42DocScrutinizerthough the executable should be bash
09:02.52DocScrutinizerso conflict with bash pkg
09:04.13DocScrutinizerThe following packages have unmet dependencies:
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09:04.29DocScrutinizerfirst OK, but WTF for #2?!
09:04.50johnxapt-cache policy hildon-desktop
09:05.12DocScrutinizererr policy?
09:05.23DocScrutinizer(apt noob here)
09:05.40johnxit should tell you about the candidates to install for that package
09:06.19DocScrutinizerFSCK!!! I installed the HD with bugfix, from mohammad repo
09:06.22johnxone candidate is the one already installed. another candidate may be available from some repo. apt-cache policy $pkg tells you which version of $pkg from which repo will be installed
09:06.30merlin1991another apt-noob question, apt tells me there are 18 packets to upgrade, how do I let it list the names?
09:06.51johnxmerlin1991: apt-get upgrade should tell you ...
09:07.11merlin1991and goes straight ahead doing the upgrades :/
09:07.18johnxeep!
09:07.20DocScrutinizerwhat's that been? --force-install?
09:07.26johnxthat's not right ...
09:07.54DocScrutinizerMohammadAG51: PING
09:08.44DocScrutinizer~lart bash3-maintainer
09:08.44infobotbeats bash3-maintainer into protomatter with the andromeda galaxy
09:08.55johnxmerlin1991: apt-get upgrade should always prompt unless you use apt-get upgrade -y or something ...
09:09.10merlin1991I guess I'm unlucky :D
09:09.23merlin1991also I still haven't figured out when apt-get install x promts me and when not
09:09.28_trinecan anyone tell what the differences if any exists between board revistion 2101, 2104 and 2204
09:09.41Khertan_Morning everyone  !
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09:10.09DocScrutinizershouts swearwords at fsckdup packaging
09:10.51johnxmerlin1991: if you somehow hit enter twice when running apt-get upgrade, the second enter will accept the default answer which is yes. does it print the prompt at all on apt-get upgrade ? (Do you want to continue [Y/n]?)
09:11.08merlin1991normally yes, but sometimes not
09:11.39johnxuhm, as for when apt-get install prompts. I'm *pretty sure* it prompts when it has to change the state of packages besides the one you asked for to install the package you wanted
09:11.58johnxie, it has to get dependencies, or deal with a conflict
09:12.30merlin1991what would be the best way, to get the size of the package without installing?
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09:12.35djszapiWill this Maemo 6 / Harmattan come with Qt UI solution instead of the 'old' Hildon / GTK ?
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09:18.07johnxmerlin1991: well you can at least tell it -d for download only
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09:18.21johnxdoesn't help if you're worried about using up your data plan though
09:18.27johnxanyways, gotta get some sleep
09:18.33johnx2:18AM here O_o;
09:18.37merlin1991:D
09:18.40merlin1991night
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09:25.52Milo-anyone know how to access the sqlite database where n900 keeps its alarms? or calendar entries?
09:26.16merlin1991afaik you can call sqlite in xterm
09:26.28merlin1991s/te/te3/
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09:28.46Milo-'.tables' shows nothing :/
09:29.51Milo-I might need a file as well
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09:32.51Khertan_I'm looking for a qt expert to help me : I got some problem with QStyledItemDelegate on a QListView. Specially the size hint. When my window rotate (on maemo) sizeHint isn't called again and the height isn't enought due to text wrap ... how can i force the resize to call sizeHint ? what is strange is that everything is well resized, text well wrapped but height for the row keep the same height than when i was using 800x480 windows
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09:39.09Khertan_Milo-: sqlite /home/user/.calendar/calendardb
09:39.22Milo-Khertan_ bah, looked for .sqlite :)
09:39.34Khertan_:)
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09:48.41Milo-assuming I can modify that by hand, will those new alarms still be triggered if the phone is off, or is there another system for that?
09:51.39DocScrutinizerMilo-: check alarmed pkg
09:52.00Milo-DocScrutinizer Will do.
09:52.25DocScrutinizerMilo-: unrelated to calendar, but nice alarms
09:54.01DocScrutinizerMilo-: calendar probably also using alarmd lib, like alarmed (with 'e') app does
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10:00.21Milo-probably alarm daemon
10:01.15Milo-DocScrutinizer is it in extras, -testing or -devel?
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10:03.17DocScrutinizerdunno, sorry
10:04.13DocScrutinizerMilo-: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=46594
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10:16.30Milo-thanks
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10:32.17MNZgood morning #maemo!
10:33.15merlin1991morning
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10:58.21MNZI've been flashing the kernel several times in a row, trying new code. Now whatever I do (even restoring the original kernel) the device boots, the loading dots appear, the charging led sequence starts, then black screen...
10:58.43MNZand it keeps charging
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11:16.18DocScrutinizerumm
11:17.03DocScrutinizertime for a full combined fiasco flash?
11:17.12merlin1991hm any way to enanble the fm transmitter when connected over usb?
11:17.27MNZ:( but wwwhhhhyyy? I didn't DO anything....
11:17.56DocScrutinizermerlin1991: check jacekowski's fm* pkg, it should enable this
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11:18.00DocScrutinizerafaik
11:18.10merlin1991in devel or where?
11:18.14DocScrutinizerMNZ: no idea, maybe the kernels did something
11:19.09DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I don't know, someone else here should have better advise
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11:19.17merlin1991doh
11:19.43DocScrutinizerjacekowski: ping
11:20.09jo-erlendis there only one contact list in maemo? I'd like to have more than one and to choose which one to synchronize with my desktop.
11:20.35DocScrutinizerN/A
11:21.26keriomerlin1991: no packages
11:21.34keriojacekowski.org will have everything you need
11:21.42MNZmeh full flash, it works. I just have no idea why. frig.
11:21.46jo-erlendDocScrutinizer, was that to me?
11:21.55DocScrutinizeryup
11:22.02jo-erlendDocScrutinizer, elaborate please?
11:22.09DocScrutinizerNot Available
11:22.20merlin1991let's see if I break somehting :D
11:22.57DocScrutinizerMNZ: :-D
11:23.24jo-erlendoh. I wonder why. It uses a standard evolution-data-server, doesn't it?
11:23.50DocScrutinizerMNZ: just a silly question: you removed batery, so occasional PMU (twl4030) lockups could reset?
11:24.11MNZDocScrutinizer, yes
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11:26.58MNZDocScrutinizer, why?
11:27.32merlin1991replaced the binary and now I get failed to change fmtx state :/
11:27.36DocScrutinizer51thought it might cure the problem
11:28.19merlin1991goes rebooting
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11:28.43MNZoh well... I spent last night debugging my code.... stripped it apart... all for no reason :'(
11:28.46sobczykis there a is there a python wrapper for liblocation?
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11:34.04merlin1991the hacked binary didn't work :/
11:34.21merlin1991using it disabled the fm transmitter completely
11:36.43merlin1991I reverted back to the original
11:37.02lizardosobczyk: python-location
11:37.27lizardosobczyk: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API
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11:42.17keriomerlin1991: you're lying
11:42.25merlin1991kerio, no
11:42.28kerioyes
11:42.45merlin1991as soon as I used the hacked binary I got errors
11:42.55merlin1991shall I ss them for you ? :P
11:44.47MNZhrmmm I blew it up again.... I have a feeling I'm generating fiasco images in a wrong way....... but it's the same script that I've always used
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11:48.34MNZ"fiasco-gen -o /home/mnzaki/devel/kernel/zImage.fiasco -g -k arch/arm/boot/zImage"  <--- is something wrong with this?
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11:55.03MNZ:@
11:55.53MNZdid anyone know that if you have a fiasco image and use "fiasco-gen -o" over the same file it fscks up the system when you flash it?????????
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11:58.54mikki-kung
11:59.32mikki-kunsorry, my network kinda lagged badly :/
12:02.47DocScrutinizerMNZ: uh? So it needs a nonexistent destination or what do you mean to say?
12:03.21DocScrutinizerMNZ: (sorry, never used fiasco-gen)
12:03.46MNZDocScrutinizer, yes :@ :@ :@ I don't know what it tries to do when the file already exists, but it clears fsks the rootfs when I flash an image generated this way
12:04.08MNZs/clears/clearly/
12:04.37DocScrutinizerhmm, so at least you found the root cause of your problems :-D
12:05.02MNZI spent a friggin night debugging this. WTF
12:05.22DocScrutinizernot nice
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12:07.00DocScrutinizerfile a ticket against fiasco-gen; attach a hotfix: a shellscript called fiasco-gen to go to local/bin that rm's the image prior to calling original fiasco-gen
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12:22.42tuliobaarshey, man
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13:07.28pigeonwhat's the color depth on the n900 (for GLES if that matters)?
13:08.32oscillikit's 3 colours deep
13:08.36oscillikit's deeper than water
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13:09.33merlin1991:D
13:10.20pigeonheh, 16bit per pixel is it?
13:10.25Wolfieoscillik: i'm sorry, but you're awfully wrong. I've seen waters that is more than three colors
13:10.39Wolfieis = has
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13:10.56oscillikyou sir, are a charlatan and a deciever
13:11.05Wolfielies, again!
13:11.22Wolfieoscillik is making up wild stories
13:12.16Wolfieaccusations, even
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13:16.38kerioi wonder if people think before talking
13:16.57keriohow can you add optical zoom but not a keyboard
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13:34.32Khertan_RAAHAHAHAHA HAHHA AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHH QT4 QPIXMAP DOESN'T SUPPORT GIF ON MAEMO !
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13:36.32mortinihah
13:36.40h4xordoodheyo :) folks how are you all here ?
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13:50.36crashanddieKhertan_: "But gif is proprietary!"
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13:53.45mortiniso is qt :)
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13:55.14SpeedEvilQT is probably old enough that GIF was patented when it was being designed
13:55.20SpeedEvilthe patent rrran out in 2003?
13:58.56mortinii thought it was before that, but, yeah.
14:00.54MohammadAGX-Fade, ping
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14:01.09X-FadeMohammadAG: pong
14:01.34MohammadAGX-Fade, I remember you told me the autobuilder doesn't have outside access right?
14:01.42MohammadAGdoes it have access to *maemo.org?
14:02.49X-FadeMohammadAG: To the repository machine.
14:03.07MohammadAGso can I wget a source?
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14:03.32X-FadeMohammadAG: Technically yes, but that really is bad design.
14:03.56MohammadAGX-Fade, it's better than include binaries in the source package I guess...
14:03.59X-Fademortini: You should always include everything you need in your source package.
14:04.01MohammadAGincluding*
14:04.17MohammadAGX-Fade, I won't include a whole kernel source in my package, for obvious reasons
14:04.17X-FadeHmm tab-foo.
14:04.36X-FadeMohammadAG: What are you trying to do?
14:04.37MohammadAGtitan has kernel-power-source disabled from debian/rules
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14:04.49MohammadAGbuild modules against kernel sources
14:04.56X-FadeMohammadAG: Get him to fix that then?
14:05.06X-FadeMohammadAG: It is stupid to work around things like that.
14:05.19MohammadAGI pm'd him yesterday, no reply yet and I need to release the app now
14:05.34X-FadeAlways a wasted effort and it really doesn't scale.
14:05.53X-FadeMohammadAG: Patience grasshopper.
14:06.11MohammadAGX-Fade, can't, I announced the release as yesterday and delayed it cause of this :)
14:06.32X-FadeMohammadAG: Then you should have thought about it more before opening your mouth :)
14:06.35MohammadAGalso, ENDED 2010-08-10 10:09
14:06.43MohammadAGso he's pretty much disappeared
14:06.44X-FadeClearly bad planning.
14:07.14mortiniX-Fade: eh?
14:07.15X-FadeWell or he doesn't think it is stable enough. Or doesn't want it in Extras.
14:07.24X-Fademortini: Sorry tab completion..
14:07.32mortiniah,ok
14:08.09MohammadAGX-Fade, can the autobuilder fetch sources using apt-get source
14:09.07JaffaYay, MWKN's Twitter feed is back
14:09.58X-FadeJaffa: Check out stats in download per repo.
14:10.01MohammadAGLOL http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/09/apples-app-store-review-guidelines-we-dont-need-any-more-far/
14:10.07JaffaX-Fade: URL?
14:10.15X-FadeJaffa: Any app in downloads.
14:10.17MohammadAG"We have over 250,000 apps in the App Store. We don't need any more Fart apps." lmfao
14:10.44X-FadeMohammadAG: Yes it should.
14:12.16JaffaX-Fade: Hmm, something happened in August which meant more people got stuff from Extras-devel than Extras: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/catorise/#
14:12.22JaffaX-Fade: Blog post I can link to?
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14:13.03X-FadeJaffa: In the airport atm :) Had some time to hack on it while waiting on the plane :)
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14:13.10JaffaX-Fade: Cool :-)
14:13.42fralsoh cool, per repo stats!
14:13.42X-FadeJaffa: But the extras devel growth in downloads, I can't explain. It is not for every package in extras-devel.
14:13.56fralsneeds to update fmms_stats.py
14:14.08X-FadeJaffa: Some packages even got lower downloads. So it is not some form of heavy mirroring.
14:14.23Jaffafrals: Willing to share for people to get extras_stats.py?
14:14.43JaffaX-Fade: Does seem common with vim, hermes & catorise FWIW
14:14.47fralsJaffa: heh, sure, it really just adds the numbers together and prints a total ;)
14:14.58Jaffafrals: Saves me having to do it :-p
14:15.23X-FadeJaffa: Yeah, can fapman be the cause?
14:15.38X-FadeJaffa: Does it prefer one repo over the other, the other way around?
14:15.46JaffaX-Fade: Does it enable -devel by default?
14:15.47MohammadAGX-Fade, if that works then it's already solved, cd /usr/src && apt-get source kernel-power && cd cd kernel-power-2.6.28 && for x in `cat debian/patches/series | grep -v "#"`; do patch -p1 <debian/patches/$x; done && make -j $(NJOBS) EXTRAVERSION=.10power40 bzImage
14:15.54JaffaX-Fade: HAM will go for highest version
14:15.58MohammadAGtypo, double cds
14:16.08X-FadeJaffa: Yes, but if the versions are the same?
14:16.15JaffaX-Fade: Oh, interesting.
14:16.21JaffaX-Fade: Good question
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14:17.03X-FadeJaffa: The jump amount is not the same for all apps at least. So it almost has to be some manual install thing.
14:17.09fralsJaffa: ill link it on twitter once ive updated it for this new brilliant feature :-)
14:17.28X-FadeJaffa: But the jump starts at Aug 2.
14:17.45X-Fadefrals: d1,2,3 now.
14:18.29X-FadeOk, time to get some personal space. People are gathering here to board their plane.
14:18.47kerioKhertan_: why would you use gif over png
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14:18.48X-FadeI guess I should board too :)
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14:19.10seifhey guys
14:19.11Noobmonk3y\me waves
14:19.25seifone of our devs is having a issue installing the maemo sdk
14:19.27seifwho can i ask
14:19.30Noobmonk3ywaves even
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14:19.43seifwhen we run ./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh
14:19.45seifwe get
14:19.48Noobmonk3ylol seif join the queueue! hehehe,
14:19.54seifDISPLAY already set.
14:19.54seifInstallation environment already set.
14:19.54seifAdded debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.
14:19.54seifError opening terminal: xterm.
14:20.10Noobmonk3yoooo not seen that error b4!
14:20.20Noobmonk3ylcuk u alive?
14:21.23Noobmonk3ythought i'd give you a giggle, just finished a 3hour presentation on open source benefits surround our website, and a new way forward, good news is i didnt get beaten out of the room!!!
14:21.30Noobmonk3ybacon!
14:21.46kerioNoobmonk3y: hold on
14:21.53Noobmonk3ylol!
14:22.11Noobmonk3ywas aiming at the orther baconite, but afternoon to you too!!
14:22.25keriohmm... was BaconBacon banned while i wasn't looking?
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14:22.31Noobmonk3ylol
14:22.38kerioit was :(
14:22.43Noobmonk3yawwww pity
14:22.44kerioDocScrutinizer: how could you
14:23.33Khertan_kerio: because twitter profile image are in gif
14:23.39Khertan_at least some
14:23.39fralsX-Fade: have a safe flight :)
14:23.46JaffaX-Fade: Big jump in fapman downloads on August 2nd: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/fapman/
14:24.01Khertan_hopefully i should be able to convert it using PIL
14:24.20fralsJaffa: didnt the n900 launch somewhere around end of july?
14:24.45Jaffafrals: India, around then IIRC
14:25.25kerioPIL is awesome
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14:26.07Jaffafrals: Went on sale June 9th, AFAICT. So probably not that
14:26.44seifguys
14:26.46seif-.-
14:27.21MohammadAGslaps Noobmonk3y
14:28.22Noobmonk3ylol
14:28.49fralsJaffa: probably not :)
14:28.54fralsello Noobmonk3y
14:28.57RST38hmoo all
14:28.59fralsslaps a trout with Noobmonk3y
14:29.03fralso/ RST38h
14:29.19Noobmonk3yhey hey!!!!
14:29.23Noobmonk3y:)
14:29.49Noobmonk3yu 2 both having a gd day?
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14:30.40fralshad better but not bad!
14:30.42fralshows u?
14:30.51Noobmonk3yat work :( pooooooo
14:31.04Noobmonk3ywill be back on irc tonight though!!! yay!
14:31.15fralsim at work as well but im not complaining!
14:31.46Khertan_gniééé qpixmap isn't able to load this jpeg too http://a2.twimg.com/profile_images/480017982/twitterProfilePhoto_normal.jpg
14:32.18Noobmonk3ylolcat, would rather your job... mine is pants atm
14:32.29Noobmonk3ya move to finland also sounds fun!
14:32.36JaffaKhertan_: I found with Hermes that there are random Twitter images which are corrupted
14:33.57fralsNoobmonk3y: not that i mind living here, but i can imagine more fun places to move :D
14:34.33seifMohammadAG, u therE?
14:34.38JaffaKhertan_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7248 and see avatar for http://twitter.com/vegyraupe
14:34.39povbotBug 7248: aborts when Image.open is given non-image data
14:34.40Noobmonk3ybrighton or finland..... lol
14:35.36MohammadAGseif, yeah?
14:35.50seifMohammadAG, can u help me with instlaling the sdk
14:35.53seifi have an issue here
14:36.02Khertan_Jaffa: but they display well on chrome :)
14:36.20MohammadAGsure
14:37.13seif./maemo-sdk-install_5.0.sh
14:37.15seifi get
14:37.36seifPress Enter to accept (Crtl+C to cancel).
14:37.36seifDISPLAY already set.
14:37.36seifInstallation environment already set.
14:37.36seifAdded debconf frontend setting in scratchbox.
14:37.36seifError opening terminal: xterm.
14:39.44MNZHas anyone actually used flasher to load a kernel on the fly?
14:39.53MNZI mean load and boot a kernel without actually flashing it
14:40.52TermanaMNZ, yes
14:41.30MNZTermana, how? I've been trying and it doesn't seem to work. It gets to the five loading dots then black screen
14:41.39MNZthat means kernel actually booted, but init failed
14:41.42Khertan_MNZ: i ve tryed ... but didn't seems to work for me
14:42.22TermanaMNZ, are you sure you have the modules there for your kernel, and that the kernel is actually a working kernel?
14:42.35TermanaIt definitely works, I done it when I loaded up MeeGo
14:43.23MNZI tried by just using the command as --help suggests, and when I googled I only found any mention of this on a meego wiki
14:43.39MNZI think there are some args I need to pass to the kernel maybe?
14:44.33TermanaMNZ, not as long as you have set the defaults right in the kernel config before compiling
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14:50.14MohammadAGseif, reinstall scratchbox
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15:21.10toggles_wany packaging gurus here? if so, do you know why some apps show icons in the appman the first time and others not?
15:21.11Khertan_OUch ... reboot of my n900 without any warning
15:21.59kerioKhertan_: loose battery?
15:22.18Khertan_LOL
15:22.24Khertan_nope ... i use mad developpers
15:22.33Khertan_and use the window networking kernel module
15:22.38MohammadAGX-Fade, how many builders are there?
15:22.50Khertan_and launching Wireshark on my windows host make the n900 reboot
15:22.52Khertan_funny
15:23.03MohammadAGKhertan_, broadcasting reboot over ssh reboots my N900 too
15:23.18Khertan_lol
15:23.37MohammadAGi.e if I reboot my laptop with the reboot command and the N900 was connected via ssh, it reboots too
15:23.50keriowait, what
15:23.51keriohow
15:23.58MohammadAGidk
15:24.05MohammadAGbut it annoys me
15:25.39MNZMohammadAG, didn't you tell me you can boot a kernel using flasher before? have you done it before?
15:25.48MohammadAGyeah
15:25.59MohammadAGflasher-3.5 -k image.bin -l -b
15:26.06MohammadAGyou can specify kernel parameters
15:26.38MNZyou plug in the usb and get nolo up first right?
15:26.50MohammadAGyes, hold U and all that stuff
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15:27.03MNZand image.bin can't be compressed? as in zImage?
15:27.16MohammadAGit is a zImage :P
15:27.26MohammadAGidk why i referred to it as image.bin
15:27.36MNZwell I've tried everything, I get to the five dots stage and then black screen
15:27.38MNZof death
15:27.53MohammadAGhmm, what kernel are you flashing?
15:28.07MNZright now just trying the stock kernel really
15:28.15MNZto eliminate any other problems
15:28.28MohammadAGit should boot fine
15:28.36MohammadAGframebuffer kernels otoh...
15:28.52MNZwhat's wrong with them? because I use one as well
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15:29.28Khertan_Hum ... this means that a right tcp packet can reboot the device
15:29.40Khertan_so we can spam to force reboot :)
15:30.00MohammadAGMNZ, they crash sometimes, flash them
15:30.17MohammadAGafter flashing, your device might reboot 3 times, but it will boot... eventually
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15:30.51MohammadAGMNZ, here's an image if you want one, it's stock but has framebuffer enabled, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/zImage-fb-omap1.bin
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15:31.12MNZwell I can't even get stock to boot yet :/
15:31.21MohammadAGand here's a power40 image, same as power but with framebuffer, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/power-kernel%20variants/zImage-power40-framebuffer-kernel
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15:31.40MohammadAGMNZ, don't use -l -b with framebuffer kernels
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15:31.49MohammadAGthey'll cause you headaches
15:31.52MohammadAGjust flash them
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15:32.12Ljrn900how to get maemo xchat to use readable colours???
15:32.15MNZk, but what I really need is to boot on the fly because I'm testing code and it would be a bit easier this way
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15:36.18Ljrn900fiq
15:37.52ShadowJKOh right, I installed xchat before the "Make it look like N900's theme" effort went in
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15:39.28MohammadAGShadowJK, heh
15:40.26TimSimHi
15:41.21TimSimIs there a way to change the call accept and decline buttons on the n900. I sometimes press a button when i take it out of my pocket.
15:42.58E0xa slider will nice
15:43.21Ljrn900...
15:43.57MiXu-Yeah. Slider would definitely be nice
15:44.09MiXu-ALso for alarms etc.
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15:44.31TimSimjap something like that.
15:46.20MohammadAGclosed source, out of ours hands
15:46.34MNZMohammadAG, wait... do you remove the usb after kernel is sent???
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15:47.05MohammadAGMNZ, yeah
15:47.12MohammadAGwell, i do
15:47.25MNZI mean immediately after it, before booting is over
15:47.26MohammadAGI think I crashed the autobuilder
15:47.28MohammadAGor it's too slow
15:47.42MohammadAGMNZ, yes, w/ a USB a framebuffer kernel crashes
15:48.12MNZbut.... I don't have fb... and the stock kernel definitely doesn't
15:48.48MNZbecause I just realized the kernel doesn't boot with usb, even if flashed
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15:49.49MohammadAGMNZ, I meant that's why I take out the USB
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15:53.05DocScrutinizerShadowJK: on which device? which version?
15:53.23ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, N900 in December?
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15:53.58DocScrutinizerduh, never noticed any difference in theming, and I guess I installed xchat in November
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15:54.19MNZthe default xchat colors now are complete and utter fail
15:54.28ShadowJKYou only get the new theme if you installed first time after the theming
15:54.40ShadowJKotherwise the old xchat.conf from the pre-theming time stays
15:55.04DocScrutinizeraaah, so I'm happy it stays that way :-P
15:55.07ShadowJKOr if you delete xchat.conf I think you get the new theme too
15:55.39DocScrutinizeryep, I remember there was utter madness like white on black and other stuff
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15:56.04ShadowJKI actually have white (gray) on black on my desktop :P
15:56.14ShadowJKFrom before xchat (mainline) changed to white bg by default
15:56.22MNZwhite on black? that woulda been good. IIRC it's dark blue on black
15:56.28DocScrutinizerwhich I never faced as happily I avoided updating when xchat by default killed the conf on update
15:56.39ShadowJKiirc my desktop xchat theme is from xchat 1.4.3 days :D
15:56.42ShadowJKif there was such a version
15:57.07jpinx-eeepcblack screen bgs are so much easier on your eyes
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15:57.52ShadowJKfor sure, first morning I switched on my computer and xchat's white background stabbed my eyes like a C coder stabbing a C++ coder adding (void*) casts to code
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15:58.27DocScrutinizerjpinx-eeepc: ooh yes
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15:58.41DocScrutinizermuuuuuuch easier
15:59.19jpinx-eeepcI am still looking for a gui tabbed editor that will offer a black background
15:59.43jpinx-eeepcdoes a lot of simple text document editing
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16:06.55DocScrutinizerwonders idly to publish all his .xchat/* - modulo the chatlogs
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16:09.16DocScrutinizerI think I even copied over the xchat.conf and some other stuff from N810, as it was so annoying to redo all the tweaks
16:10.17SpeedEvilremember to remove passwords too
16:10.27DocScrutinizersure
16:11.09DocScrutinizerhaha, that's be funny to have 50 chanops on each of 10 chan
16:12.35DocScrutinizer51and all are MEEEEEEE
16:12.49DocScrutinizer51*shudder*
16:13.50ShadowJKdoesn't store passwords in xchat
16:14.27ShadowJKI just do /server blah blh blah, /newserver blah blah blah on startup to connect to irssi-proxy
16:15.22DocScrutinizer51that's probably a good idea
16:15.39DocScrutinizer51should work with ZNC as well
16:17.51DocScrutinizerstrange, ZNC passes thru CTCP-version requests
16:19.14DocScrutinizerI have to say I'm not particularly happy with ZNC
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16:19.46DocScrutinizerit's ok for one client UA
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16:25.47liorijpinx-eeepc: gedit?
16:26.22jpinx-eeepcliori: pulls in some gnome depends --  I believe
16:30.13PhonicUKanyone know if Psfreedom has been compiled for the power user kernel yet?
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16:34.29DocScrutinizer51jpinx-eeepc: which editor wouldn't offer custom settings for fg/bg color?
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16:36.04jacekowskiDocScrutinizer51: pong
16:36.07pogI was looking for the package "screen". Dont find it in the maemo repositories. difficult to find something reasolable in google :-)
16:36.24liorijpinx-eeepc: if you want no deps, use xterm/rxvt and some console editor... vim has tabs
16:36.24jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer51: leafpad
16:36.24derfpog: Google "GNU screen"
16:36.27DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: ETIMEOUT
16:36.35pogo.k thansk derf
16:36.49Jaffadneary: We seem to be on the same wavelength this week :)
16:37.19jpinx-eeepcliori: I can use nano, but not very handy and no tabs
16:37.23dnearyJaffa, Aren't we always?
16:37.31DocScrutinizer51jacekowski: somebody asked how to enable fmtx while usb plugged in
16:38.08Jaffadneary: Oh, of course.
16:38.41pogfound screen http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
16:39.05jacekowskiyeah, i've noticed
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16:43.13GeneralAntillesGood the spec thread is long.
16:43.14pogI was just looking /etc/apt/sources.list .. all apt-get commands works but this file is empty...
16:43.20GeneralAntilless/Good/Goodness
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16:43.36MNZpog, /etc/apt/sources.list.d
16:44.11jacekowskioOOO
16:44.16jacekowskihttp://www.nokian900.tv/n900-gets-wine-windows-users-are-awed/
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16:45.20jacekowskihttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48899&page=2
16:45.31MNZwindows apps... on wine.... on qemu.... on 600mhz arm....
16:45.43pogMNZ: thanks
16:45.49MNZdoes it run crysis?
16:45.55jacekowskiMNZ: wine isn't that slow
16:45.57jacekowskiand hmm, qemu
16:45.59jacekowskiqemu is slow
16:46.10jacekowskinot as slow as full emu
16:46.24jacekowskibut i mean it may be faster than my old ~200mhz pc
16:46.25MohammadAGhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829
16:46.29jacekowskibtw.
16:46.31pogwhat I don't understand about wine on arm, wine is a api-converter, does it need qemu?
16:46.39jacekowskipog: yes
16:46.44pogo.k
16:47.04MNZpog, it's needed on n900 because of the arm arch, which is not supported by wine
16:47.16pogI have seen, win98 runs on N900 :-)
16:47.28jacekowskipog: basicaly what is wine is just a software that loads PE binary into memory, links it with replacement of windows .dlls and runs it
16:47.44jacekowskibut that's all x86
16:47.59jacekowskidoes arm wine run fully on qemu?
16:48.00pogthanks
16:48.17jacekowskior is it clever enough to have native libraries?
16:48.30pogI like probably to install vonbasco-midi-player, if it runs unter N900
16:50.10[DrkGUNMAN-N900]http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43480&highlight=wine+qemu
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16:56.47lcukMohammadAG, not one mention of KaKaRoTo on the psfreedom post?  tsk tks
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16:58.28MohammadAGlcuk, hmm, I remember I did mention him, he's mentioned on the package page, and the about page though
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16:58.57pupnik_http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WjIM4eNmp-g  MAME4all on pandora
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16:59.16lcukMohammadAG, standing on the shoulders of giants..
16:59.26lcukyou wouldnt have a package to release without his work :P
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17:00.25MohammadAGlcuk, funny, I wrote that before I read what you said
17:00.46MohammadAGThanks to:
17:00.47MohammadAGKaKaRoTo for his hard work on the PSFreedom hack, without it, this app wouldn't be possible
17:01.25lcuk\o/
17:02.37lcukwhen did I help with python!
17:02.52lcuk:D
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17:03.57MohammadAGlcuk, you've helped me a couple of times, either directly or indirectly
17:04.00MohammadAGliqbubbles :P
17:04.05lcuknods
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17:04.45MohammadAGwould've been cool if the N900's camera slide had a motor
17:05.00lcuklol
17:05.03MohammadAGthen the N900's cam would pop open, take a picture, then auto detect a PS3's model :P
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17:09.32DocScrutinizerhands lcuk a Jamesey's Breakfast Cocktail
17:10.32lcuko_O
17:10.46lcukbut I already had vodka cornflakes for breakfast
17:14.42DocScrutinizercornflakes with bacon?
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17:15.24ebzzryIs there a way to control desktop transitions?
17:15.33johnsqHi
17:15.35ebzzry*desktop-switch transitions
17:15.49DocScrutinizerhmm, vodka cornflakes with bacon, sounds like a decent start for a day
17:16.10lcukebzzry, transitions.ini or with gui http://maemo.org/packages/view/transitioncontrol/
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17:17.48ebzzrylcuk: does it include desktop transitions?
17:20.09lcukebzzry, read and find out, it might not include something you are thinking, but includes tweaking of a lot of the transitions.ini file
17:20.22lcuki believe the default file has notes about what each does, but the ui may not
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17:23.09ebzzrylcuk: let me check
17:25.03MohammadAGediting the file with an editor is easier than editing with the GUI
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17:32.00ebzzrylcuk: no desktop transitions :(
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17:47.13MNZDocScrutinizer, pretty much finished work on the driver code, but haven't tested the hwdep interface yet.
17:48.13MNZDocScrutinizer, I have tested the rest and I *think* there are no more bugs. I also pushed a doc to Documentation/sound/alsa/soc/codecs. If you want, take a quick look over the code?
17:48.48MNZI have to be at places now, so I'm going off. Will work on libalsa code when back.
17:49.01MNZcheers #maemo!
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17:49.36E0xdamn , the chop in the audio when media player is playing and you press the power button with the device lock for saw the time come back to me
17:49.41E0x:(
17:53.33FIQ(17:36:18) (Ljrn900) fiq
17:53.36FIQwhat
17:53.42FIQoh, he leaved
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17:55.36luke-jrFIQ: do you know a way to get N900 X-Chat to use sane colours?
17:56.33SpeedEvilMine is - mosrtly
17:56.38SpeedEvilhttp://qkwv.com/xchat.png
17:56.48FIQluke-jr, preferences, colors
17:57.01FIQchange the second row, it's the theme colors
17:57.03luke-jrFIQ: didn't see options there for all the bad colours
17:57.15luke-jrI changed all the ones in that dialog, none fixed it
17:57.26FIQhmm...
17:57.30luke-jrstill black-on-black for local echo and joins/parts
17:57.35fralshmm
17:57.36luke-jr(or close to it)
17:57.40fralsbug #11273
17:57.41povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11273 text deleted from picture message
17:58.01fralsbug #11272 even
17:58.02povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11272 text deleted from picture message
17:58.14FIQluke-jr, it may have to do with your theme? i dunno, i've white on black
17:58.26FIQwait a minute, i've xchat running
17:58.47FIQtried changing foreground?
17:58.55FIQif you did, then, no idea
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17:59.15luke-jr:/
17:59.50luke-jrForeground is set to white
18:00.00FIQbtw, about the local echo, change color 30
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18:00.13Ljrn900...
18:00.42Ljrn900...
18:00.47Ljrn900ok
18:00.53Ljrn900ty
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18:11.10pupnik_https://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/color.html  !!  Drag the 'invert lightness' to your bookmark bar and you can darken any webpage in chromium
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18:12.46lcukpupnik_, works in firefox :)
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18:13.38pupnik_ok well it's AWESOME
18:14.09pupnik_except with some pages which suck
18:14.28pupnik_but it works well with a lot of forum sites
18:16.03trumeecnat understand why N900 doesnt export SDcard to my linux box. On windows it exports Sdcard via mass storage!
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18:16.44trumeewhy linux box doesnt see the sdcard, but windows can.
18:16.58trumeedoesnt make sense to me.
18:17.46trumeefdisk -l doesnt list the sdcard, it only lists the emmc.
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18:18.38pupnik_does cat /proc/partitions show it
18:18.57pupnik_or is that the same thing
18:19.41trumeepupnik_: nope, it doesnt show it as well
18:21.15trumeepupnik_:  although it is indeed umounted when i plug the usb cable into N900
18:21.54trumeeso N900 is indeed presenting it to the linux box, but the box might be rejecting it. strange.
18:22.08pupnik_does lsusb show the device?
18:22.16trumeei have nitdroid installed via nitdroid-installer in the sdcard
18:22.17pupnik_perhaps you have an ancient linux box
18:22.42pupnik_the device would show up if it is registered as a hd device on usb bus
18:22.49pupnik_even if partition table were broken
18:23.14trumeeBus 001 Device 006: ID 0421:01c7 Nokia Mobile Phones is what i get in lsusb
18:23.23DocScrutinizerthis is a known feature we see every other day
18:23.51trumeeit is not an ancient box, a shiny gentoo install :)
18:24.16trumeeThe sdcard is a Samsung 8gb class 6 card.
18:24.38trumeepupnik_: should lsusb show Samsung sdcard?
18:24.47DocScrutinizerseems some distros have problems with multiple storage devices (aka partitions?) via same USB device
18:25.12DocScrutinizertrumee: check syslog, to see what devices were detected
18:25.55DocScrutinizermight be an issue with udev, or sth
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18:26.35trumeeDocScrutinizer: http://www.pastie.org/1148637
18:27.17trumeeno mention of anything except sdf which is internal emmc
18:27.47DocScrutinizertruncated prematurely
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18:28.32trumeeDocScrutinizer: you mean it is my boxes issue?
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18:28.48DocScrutinizeryup, usually
18:29.04trumeelet me check this on my suse laptop. brb
18:30.06lcukevening RevdKathy \o
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18:30.21RevdKathyEvening lcuk - how's tricks?
18:30.33RST38hreMoo
18:30.46fralso/ RevdKathy
18:30.58lcukthey are good I believe :)
18:30.58RevdKathyHi frals. :-)
18:31.04lcukack RST38h \o
18:31.09lcukand heya frals
18:31.21RevdKathylcuk - good-oh!
18:31.43DocScrutinizerlo kathy
18:31.53trumeeDocScrutinizer: spot on. it works fine on the suse laptop
18:32.57pupnik_nice to have two systems for stuff like that
18:33.05DocScrutinizertrumee: toldya
18:33.15RevdKathy'lo DocScrutinizer
18:33.27lcukn900-n900 file copying should be a test case for usb host when we get it running :P
18:33.30slonopotamusyawns
18:33.32trumeepupnik_: yes. although i like gentoo more than suse :)
18:33.48DocScrutinizerlcuk: :nod:
18:34.23trumeepupnik_: but suse is somewhat standardised which everybody else understands.
18:34.48pupnik_yes for education most business clientes wanted suse
18:34.58pupnik_back in 2003-2004
18:34.59trumeeneed to clear out the sdcard to get the new nitdroid :D
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18:36.37DocScrutinizersuse here since... yeah since very beginning (of suse)
18:36.57slonopotamussuse? ain't it from the guys who did netware and (oh, my!) IPX?
18:37.31DocScrutinizernonsense, you mean Novel
18:37.59DocScrutinizernovel bought suse, some years ago
18:38.20slonopotamushttp://www.novell.com/linux/
18:38.42slonopotamusi think that page is about suse and it's on novell website
18:38.45DocScrutinizerso what?
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18:40.11slonopotamusso suse is made by same company that developed netware
18:40.27RST38hDoc: Have you already made the latest Modest build part of your SSU?
18:40.37RST38hOh, wait, wrongperson
18:41.00slonopotamusRST38h, i guess you need MohammadAG51
18:41.05RST38hyea
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18:42.30slonopotamusmeh, i have to admit that n800 is superior to n900. i can type '^' on n800 :)
18:42.44luke-jr…
18:42.58slonopotamusluke-jr, wut?
18:43.08luke-jrcan't type anything on N800
18:43.17luke-jrjust tap via touchscreen
18:43.23slonopotamuson-screen kb
18:43.23luke-jrand N900 touch-kb has ^ too
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18:43.39slonopotamusdoesn't matter. n900 on-screen kb doesn't have '^'
18:43.39DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: yes, and N900 is made by the same company that builds i7
18:43.43luke-jrit does
18:43.45DocScrutinizerand pentium
18:43.56slonopotamusluke-jr, not in russian layout
18:44.03luke-jrmeh
18:44.05luke-jrwho uses that
18:44.28slonopotamusrussians
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18:44.36Ljrn900^^^
18:44.50Ljrn900‰
18:45.01Ljrn900¿
18:45.02slonopotamus(oh, and n800 has separate up/down/left/right buttons!)
18:45.09luke-jrok, N800 wins :P
18:45.15slonopotamus:D
18:45.21luke-jrbut not enough RAM!
18:45.26DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: which part of "was bought by novel some years ago" is so hard to understand?
18:45.54slonopotamusDocScrutinizer, how that matters?
18:46.11DocScrutinizerslonopotamus: EXACTLY!
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18:49.18teilzeitstudentIs there a way to stop the app manager to look for updates everytime i connect to some network?
18:49.27DocScrutinizerit's still the SuSE AG dudes sitting 2km from here (and other places) and developing SLES, like they did before the label of the company changed to Novel. And OpenSuse Linux definitely is not "from the guys who made netware"
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18:53.57lcukhmm
18:53.58DocScrutinizerit's like stating "Mercedes Benz has been invented by D/C"
18:54.33kerioslonopotamus: huh? the n900 has separate arrow keys
18:54.33lcukanyone with ubuntu:  i have a file:   xyz.desktop  I want to edit that file with GUI (its not from an installed program its just in a random folder)
18:54.35lcukhow can I
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18:54.45kerioslonopotamus: i can type ^ on my n900 too
18:54.48keriowithout vkbd
18:54.58kerioi set it to... shift+fn+h
18:55.20lcukmnn nm
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18:55.39DocScrutinizerlcuk: use a sane desKtop :-P
18:55.51lcukDocScrutinizer, meh
18:55.55lcukit works for most other stuff
18:56.07DocScrutinizerlcuk: then rightclick to the file in a decent Konqueror and select "open with..."
18:56.09lcukjust can't right click and open in an editor unlike every other filetype
18:56.18lcukthere isn't an open with..
18:56.30lcukits missing, .desktop files are part of the desktop
18:56.44lcukso its not giving usual actions
18:56.46DocScrutinizernot in konqui
18:57.10lcukmm change whole desktop for one frustration ;)
18:57.20DocScrutinizerbut meh, if you want to live with gnomes, us mc instead, hit F4
18:57.53lcuki opened it directly from within the editor but its just wrong way round
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18:58.15DocScrutinizerit's WHAT?
18:58.24DocScrutinizerRTL text? :-P
18:59.05DocScrutinizeror upside down fonts?
18:59.24lcukhaving to open app, then open the file within it
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18:59.32lcukrarely ever goes into the file menu
19:00.16DocScrutinizergnome as a part ob ubuntu is a Vista with some special themes, you can't expect it to work like a decent linux :-P
19:00.36DocScrutinizerhttp://xkcd.com/424/
19:01.41lcuk:P
19:01.59lcukwell, it wfm and for lots of others
19:02.01DangerMMaushaha
19:02.10DocScrutinizerI see I see
19:02.11lcukapart from this niggle!
19:03.00Khertan_Home<PROTECTED>
19:04.06DocScrutinizerlcuk: maybe you have to checkmark "show extensions" in Nautilus' settings (or whatever dwarf err gnome is using now for filemanager)
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19:04.52lcukheh its not a case of hidden extensions
19:05.07lcukits that gnome actively wants to treat .desktop files as part of the running desktop
19:05.09DocScrutinizerduh, it's not ? :-P
19:05.20lcukand I bet changing that association will fsck up the menus and stuff
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19:05.39DocScrutinizershrugs
19:05.44DocScrutinizergnome... pfft
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19:06.42ColdFyreis there a pptp gui client for the n900..
19:07.03DocScrutinizergnome devels won't be happy until the desktop looks, feels, and works like the last EOLed windows version
19:07.29DangerMMausha
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19:08.14GAN900DocScrutinizer, less so these days.
19:10.14midas_android on n900 <3
19:10.37GAN900midas_, what's the point?
19:10.42DocScrutinizernooooo, winmoob7 on N900 ftw :-P
19:10.53midas_GAN900: it's faster than maemo?
19:10.58GAN900I mean, if you want Android, spend 50% less and get Android.
19:11.05DocScrutinizerexactly"
19:11.07GAN900Who cares?
19:11.12luke-jrlol
19:11.15GAN900It's certainly not more capable
19:11.17luke-jrand Android has CDMA hardware
19:11.22luke-jrand more RAM
19:11.24GAN900It doesn't do 3D.
19:11.34luke-jrneither does N900 as far as I'm concerned
19:11.59DocScrutinizermine looks rather 3-dimensional X-P
19:12.12midas_fact :P
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19:14.59kerioGAN900: Android is the iOS of the poor
19:15.15luke-jrlol
19:15.18DocScrutinizeractually nitdroid is about the most pointless project I ever heard about
19:15.26luke-jrDocScrutinizer: pfft
19:15.33luke-jryou've never done something just because you can?
19:15.36TNZ_Hi all
19:16.15TNZ_Question about behaviour video calls on googletalk ...
19:16.26midas_DocScrutinizer: why?
19:16.52DocScrutinizerbecause everybody is better off with a genuine android hardware
19:17.09lollooCan I save text in notepad as unicode format? Thank you.
19:17.21MNZlolloo, you are welcome
19:17.28TNZ_sound calls and video calls don't work any more since google launched the linux plugin of googletalk :/
19:18.51luke-jrDocScrutinizer: just think of the bragging points they get for having a handheld that can run Maemo, or Android, or Gentoo
19:19.18luke-jrponders if Maemo can be shoved into an OpenVZ VE
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19:22.06DocScrutinizerdamn, for bragging get a prada phone, or a Rolex watch
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19:23.29luke-jr:P
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19:24.42Venemogood evening
19:25.13DocScrutinizersounds to me like somebody buying a ferrari and then pondering how to plow the acres with it
19:26.39DocScrutinizerwaves - RL can't be more puzzling
19:28.11lollooguys how do i load maemo notify plug-in for xchat?
19:28.16lollooon N900?
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19:31.08lollooguys how do i load maemo notify plugin for xchat?
19:31.17lolloothank  you.
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19:39.43TNZHi all
19:39.52TNZGoogleTalk issue !
19:40.17TNZonly IM part works on my N900 since few days
19:40.54TNZsound and video calls are not available anymore
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19:42.14TNZI think there's a protocol evolution with the launch of Linux plugin for browser
19:42.42TNZis there someone on this issue ?
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19:43.31TNZp'tain ... c'est mort à en faire jouir un nécrophile ! Oo
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19:46.02RevdKathyG'night all!
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20:05.28RST38hwhat is it with the latest (summer 2010) crop of t.m.o lemmings skipping all the punctuation signs and not capitalizing first words in sentences?
20:05.42derfRST38h: Kids these days.
20:06.00derfshakes walker, makes shooing motions away from grass.
20:06.04RST38h<facepalm>
20:06.10prontoGET OFF MY LAWN
20:07.03TNZwaiting for an evolution of GoogleTalk plugin in maemo5
20:08.13CreamyGlol its that damn ps3 hack
20:08.19CreamyGinspired a bunch of new members
20:08.52mecedo I need to reboot my phone holding u button to flash a kernel image?
20:09.12TNZshould be
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20:10.35TNZsometimes it's not necessary ... it depends of the flasher software
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20:19.31GAN900RST38h, is their name lcuk? :P
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20:21.46mecehmpf is this thing supposed to do anything?
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20:31.09CreamyGhey do you guys know if when i do a build, and it doesn't include some required files in the .tar.gz file, during the "make install" step, so i have to manually copy a few things around every time... well how can i fix that? it's a bunch of stuff in the /debian folder, and one file from the /doc
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20:39.43lcukGAN900, oi! I used to represent that comment
20:40.04lcukI have actually been presenting myself much better recently :)
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20:41.16danganyone ever had the problem that the camera of an n900 is not saving pictures anymore?
20:42.52DangerMausdo you have it set to video?
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20:42.58dangnope
20:43.05dangdouble checked that :)
20:43.11DangerMausthat was the only time it didnt save pics for me
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20:44.44DangerMausis the fs where it saves to full?
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20:46.07dangnope
20:46.10dangim doing an fsck now
20:47.10danghmm clean
20:47.53dangwow
20:47.58dangnow the images magically appeared, wtf
20:48.01dangsorry for the noise
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20:49.49CreamyGit's okay, the silence was deafening
20:50.25noobmonk3ysqueals ..........
20:51.35CreamyGlol a real monkey would be awesome
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20:52.50danghmm that's interesting. i made over 999 pictures and it seems the names get rotated but the file creation date on the file system is still the same so i didnt see them
20:53.10lcukhmm
20:53.26lcukdang? you saying that oldest pictures are being overwritten?
20:53.37CreamyGhe disconnected
20:54.14lcukahh no they wont be
20:54.20lcukpics are datestamped
20:54.41lcukas in use the date on the filename with a suffix
20:55.04CreamyGyeah that's good. probalby wouldn't overwrite anyways, just crash, like everything else
20:56.17lcuk:|
20:57.19RST38hHow do I find out which packages depend ona given package?
20:57.38lcukreverse depends
20:57.48lcukin apt-cache ummm possible showpkg
20:57.56MNZapt-cache showpkg
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21:00.47RST38hthanksss
21:00.56RST38hsomebody slipped perl-base onto the device
21:01.01RST38hI wonder who...
21:01.16FIQ|n900hides
21:01.47chadislaps healthcheck
21:01.52pupnikwhat's new RST38h
21:02.48RST38hah, it is needed by dpkg
21:02.55RST38hpupnik: not much,same old shit
21:03.14RST38hprocrastinating, rather than upgrading fbreader to 0.12.*
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21:13.09pupnikRST38h: i just took bread out of initial rise, kneaded it about 10 times, and have now set it in the oven for final-rise.
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21:16.15xtopheHello, do you know how long flashing a N900 is supposed to take ?
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21:17.09baraujoxtophe, IIRC, minutes
21:17.45jacekowskiemmc or combined?
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21:17.55xtophejacekowski: both
21:17.59SpeedEvilxtophe: around a minute.
21:18.32xtophehmm been 12 already
21:18.40xtopheso i do sth wrong
21:18.43jacekowskiis it flashing?
21:18.49jacekowskior does it say waiting
21:19.14xtopheit say waiting
21:19.19SpeedEvilthen its not flashing
21:19.21jacekowskithen it's not flashing
21:19.21xtopheshould learn to read
21:19.33jacekowski~flashing
21:19.33infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
21:19.41jacekowskiRTFM
21:21.57zapheard 'flashing' means turning on and off
21:22.31crashanddieno, flashing is actually showing your privates
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21:22.40crashanddiehttp://www.gtspirit.com/2010/09/09/video-jeremy-clarkson-on-stig-gate-scandal/ <-- pretty interesting stuff Clarkson says
21:22.42orangeyhello all
21:22.44jacekowskitits and stuff
21:23.03orangeyI'm having some serious issues with VOIP in my N900.. How can I figure out which codecs it's using?
21:23.15orangeyI recall seeing lists of INVITEs and so on on mailing lists, but I'm not sure how to generate that
21:23.21orangeyis there some kind of debug command?
21:23.48orangeyAnyhow, the essence of my problem is that I can't hear the other party at random intervals for ~5-100 seconds at a time
21:23.53orangeyit doesn't appear network related.
21:24.02orangeyand only happens with SIP, not skype or whatnot
21:25.16crashanddieorangey: well, network is a relative thing, where is your SIP server based?
21:25.26orangeyUS and I'm in canada
21:25.35orangeyrather, I actually think the server is canadian
21:25.36orangeyacanac
21:25.37crashanddieorangey: anyway, /etc/stream-engine/gstcodecs.conf
21:25.44orangeycrashanddie: I've played with that
21:25.54orangeyhowever, even when I comment out all codecs, the problem still occurs
21:26.00orangeyeven though I theoretically should hear nothing, right?
21:26.04orangeyI put id=-1
21:26.21orangeyanyhow, there's someway to debug further I know.. I want to see what codec it's actually using
21:26.35crashanddiewell, you're most probably using PCMA
21:26.39crashanddieconsidering that's what the N900 prefers
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21:27.06crashanddiebasically, about SIP, "it depends"
21:27.29noobmonk3yblinks
21:27.33noobmonk3ylooks @chadi
21:27.35crashanddieif the server prefers ILBC, and their "preference setting" is higher than the N900's preference setting for PCMU, you'll use ILBC
21:27.57noobmonk3yprods crashanddie
21:28.21chadihey healthcheck! long time no see :-)
21:28.36crashanddienoobmonk3y: yes?
21:28.49noobmonk3yhehehe :) real life got in the way :P hehe how are you doing? :)
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21:28.49noobmonk3yjust saying hello crash
21:28.53crashanddieorangey: the syslog should tell you more though
21:29.01orangeycrashanddie: where is the syslog?
21:29.04orangey/var/log/syslog?
21:29.13noobmonk3yyou okay chadi?
21:29.33noobmonk3yi'm currently trying to re-learn via the sdk to redo healthcheck :) hehehe
21:29.53chadiredo it?
21:29.57chadiI'm great
21:30.03noobmonk3yyeah kinda, and add alot more :0
21:30.11noobmonk3yie, constant update, and smoother screens
21:30.18noobmonk3ylots more info to add too
21:30.28noobmonk3yin my absence, had alot of extra info to add :P
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21:30.50chadiyeah lots of stuff on paper waiting to be implemented :P
21:31.10noobmonk3yhad about 40 emails in the last month with ideas and help :) - so as soon as i get back into the swing will give it a retry :)
21:31.21noobmonk3yhehehe, yeah.... tis good to learn :0
21:31.46chadirewrite it in c++ :P
21:31.53noobmonk3ytis the aim :P
21:32.03noobmonk3ytrying to figure out ersbox, then to learn c++ - never done it :
21:32.07noobmonk3yesbox*
21:32.34chadienjoy ;-)
21:32.42crashanddieorangey: for the record, I'm a developer on a VoIP/SIP server. I mainly use ngrep to check out what's happening on the SIP port.
21:32.46noobmonk3ybut then python took me 2 weeks, b4 i had healthcheck going, so hoping c++ wont take too much longer :)
21:32.52crashanddie(ngrep which IIRC isn't available on the N900)
21:33.23noobmonk3ycrash can you tell me what iirc means? heard it hundreds of time, just never understood it!
21:33.25noobmonk3y:)
21:33.33crashanddieif i recall correctly
21:33.36chadiif i recall correctly
21:33.39noobmonk3yahaaaaaaa ty :)
21:33.41noobmonk3yto both :)
21:33.41orangeyaha! tcpdump is the key
21:33.45chadiheh
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21:34.13crashanddieorangey: if you have the time, just grab ngrep sources from debian-src, and compile it on the n900
21:34.20crashanddieorangey: shouldn't require too many dependencies
21:34.22noobmonk3ybut yes, back to healthcheck, the idea is now to rutn it into an actual application, not a "my first attempt" stuyle app
21:34.31noobmonk3yturn*
21:34.33orangeyyikes
21:34.37noobmonk3ystylee*
21:34.41orangeywhy when tcpdump is already compiled?
21:34.56crashanddieorangey: because ngrep is a lot nicer than tcpdump :P
21:35.18noobmonk3yp.s. chadi, good to see you still on here :) :)
21:35.20orangeycrashanddie: godwilling, my relationship with tcpdump will be short
21:35.27lindi-crashanddie: just run tcpdump on n900 and pipe it to ngrep on PC :)
21:35.34noobmonk3yslaps MohammadAG51
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21:35.40crashanddielindi-: *shudder*
21:35.46noobmonk3ywscreams BACOn in lcuk's good ear
21:35.50chadinoobmonk3y: good luck :)
21:35.53lindi-crashanddie: running some complex filtering as root is a bad idea anyway
21:35.57noobmonk3ycheers :)
21:36.09orangeylindi-: nice : )
21:36.16orangeyspeaking of which, what repository is tcpdump on?
21:36.34orangeyi can only find it in the garage
21:36.43crashanddielindi-: thanks, I need to be taught about security ;)
21:36.58orangeyaha. got it
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21:37.02orangeyhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/tcpdump/
21:38.17trumeeorangey: sip on N900 is very buggy
21:38.30trumeeorangey: See bug #10388
21:38.31povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?
21:39.10trumeeorangey: I have tried all sort of codecs with both asterisk and freeswitch servers and have failed.
21:40.04trumeeeven Nokia/Collabora devs have acknowledged (taken sip traces off my setup) the bug, but until now there has been no fix.
21:40.34orangeytrumee: did disabling power saving on wlan help?
21:40.38trumeeorangey: not suprised that sip isnt working for you
21:40.42trumeeorangey: no, did not help
21:40.50crashanddieweird
21:40.51trumeei tried even usb networking!
21:40.55crashanddieI'm having no issues with SIP
21:40.55orangeytrumee: strange.
21:40.59trumeeand that also gave me choppy audio
21:41.03orangeycrashanddie: who's your provider?
21:41.10orangeytrumee: I don't have choppy audio *generally*
21:41.13RST38hcackles evilly
21:41.16orangeySkype works beautifully
21:41.21orangeymost SIP works fine
21:41.24crashanddieorangey: well... I'm a dev... I have my own servers
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21:41.39lindi-crashanddie: what sip software are you running btw?
21:41.42trumeecrashanddie: so am i. run my own * server.
21:41.43RST38hdevs do not have their own servers, admins do =)
21:41.45orangeybut there are a few completely predictable numbers that cause no end of problems
21:41.52orangeycrashanddie: ah.
21:41.55crashanddietrumee: ours is a bit more advanced than *
21:42.03crashanddieheck, I have my own audiocodes and everything
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21:42.50trumeeorangey: collabora dev said that there is bug is gstreamer jitter library on N900
21:43.03crashanddieI haven't used my ISP's SIP a lot, but didn't notice anything strange there either
21:43.06orangeytrumee: any fix at all?
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21:43.15orangeytrumee: like I said, mostly it works with most people even on SIP
21:43.21orangeywhich leads me to believe it's a codec problem
21:43.27trumeeorangey: no there is no fix yet :(
21:43.59trumeeorangey: i have been pushing the dev to do something about it but seems its not in the priority list at the moment.
21:44.26trumeeorangey: funny thing is the meego is going to carry the same bug since it uses the same libraries
21:44.41trumeeso i would stay away from meego until that bug is fixed.
21:45.15trumeecrashanddie: i am more than happy for you to call  an extension of my freeswitch server and listen to an audio book
21:45.29trumeecrashanddie: it gets choppy few minutes into the call.
21:45.35crashanddieaudio book?
21:45.51crashanddietrumee: what timezone are you in?
21:45.54trumeecrashanddie: yes, something i have set on auto-pickup.
21:45.58trumeecrashanddie: BST
21:46.07crashanddietrumee: I'll give you a buzz tomorrow morning then
21:46.45crashanddietrumee: I could even set up a couple of calls and get some accurate measurements if I have the time...
21:46.46trumeecrashanddie: nah!, i will be away to work. I am on irc only on BST evenings.
21:46.57orangeyhmm.
21:47.08orangeyI'm not seeing any INVITE packets
21:47.10crashanddieyeah, and I don't intend to do SIP troubleshooting at 15 minutes to midnight :P
21:47.12trumeecrashanddie: however, i can gibe you the login details and you can do the testing in my absence
21:47.18orangeydoes tcpdump show the actual packets, or just that a packet went through?
21:48.23trumeecrashanddie: want to give me an email or want the setting on a private chat?
21:48.55orangeyhonestly, after this last depressing run, I feel that it may be time to abandon the n900
21:49.14orangeythough it would pain me to use any non-free tool
21:49.17kerionooo :(
21:49.27orangeyI know.
21:49.37orangeyit's multifactorial, though - there's almost no AWS in canada
21:49.43orangeyso I'm using GPRS with this damned thing
21:49.55orangeyplus the VOIP issues
21:50.06orangeyand the obvious and widely known lack of apps
21:50.13orangeyany one is surmountable
21:50.46trumeeorangey: i can feel your pain. i cant throw away my N95 because of this voip bug
21:51.00orangeytrumee: *sigh*
21:51.11trumeeorangey: i went into coma for some time when i couldnt get sip to work reliably :(
21:51.30orangeytrumee: honestly, the worst part is that Nokia released a non-maemo phone after the n900
21:51.39trumeei bought two N900, one for myself and one for wife hoping to do sip calls. and now they are both a waste
21:51.41orangeyThat's enough whining for me
21:51.56orangeytrumee: maybe salvage it by getting a SIP account elsewhere
21:52.00orangeytrumee: e.g., callcentric
21:52.06trumeeorangey: the same server works beautifully with N95
21:52.11orangeytrumee: callcentric + n900 worked *perfectly* for me
21:52.25orangeytrumee: when you're playing with maemo, YOU have to be fixed, not the problem
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21:52.39orangeycries
21:52.58trumeeorangey: i run my own * server and have remote extensions given to family members. they have become used to simple phone numbers. i cant ask them to go back to sip isps.
21:53.22orangeytrumee: what's the setup?
21:53.31orangeytrumee do you interact with the POTS system at all?
21:53.38trumeeorangey:  * server connected to couple of remote sip extensions
21:53.42trumeeno POTS at all.
21:53.49orangeythat would be sweet
21:54.06trumeei have set of Linksys PAP2/SPA3102 with family members
21:54.14orangeyyou have basically a bat phone
21:54.21orangeythey do one line for you and one for the rest of the world
21:54.24DocScrutinizeryaaaaaaAAAAAAAAAAaaaaaaaaawns
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21:54.54trumeeand everybody has simple phone number. i hate ISP phone number, usually they are pretty long.
21:55.01DocScrutinizergiraffe time again?
21:55.17orangeytrumee: what about rerouting?
21:55.26trumeeorangey: what do you mean?
21:55.40orangeytrumee: forward callcentric to your asterix box
21:55.44orangeysee if that doesn't solve your problem
21:56.10orangeyit sounds like it shouldn't, but such trickery has occasionally resolved issues for me
21:56.16kerioit's MOO time
21:56.24orangeymasters of orion?
21:56.37trumeeorangey: N900<>callcentric<>asterisk<>remote extensions?
21:56.38DocScrutinizer~moo
21:56.38infobotACTION mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
21:56.53orangeytrumee: right.
21:57.03RST38hMoo?
21:57.37orangeytrumee: first make sure everything works N900 <>callcentric <> N900
21:57.41orangeysince you have 2 around
21:57.45orangeythere's your video + audio
21:57.55orangeyonce that's done, add the asterisk piece
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21:58.07trumeeorangey: could try that. but my impression is that Sip to Sip calls on N900 are a fail. If i introduce a PSTN in between then it is ok, ie N900<>*<>ISP<>PSTN
21:58.21DocScrutinizeryeah, plus some mixedpickles
21:59.16SpeedEvilhttp://blogs.arm.com/smart-mobile-devices/watts-the-limit-for-smart-mobile-devices-meet-the-cortexa15/ hmm
21:59.17DocScrutinizerBS there's no such thing like SIP<>PSTN
21:59.31trumeeDocScrutinizer: ?
21:59.34DocScrutinizerSIP by definition needs a SIP farend to talk to
22:00.03DocScrutinizerif you want to call PSTN via SIP, then you need to use a gateway
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22:00.25trumeeDocScrutinizer: ok. ISP<>Gateway<>PSTN, happy?
22:00.36DocScrutinizeryeah, a tad better
22:01.38trumeedoesnt solve my problem though. Not sure why Nokia went for a new sipstack when the Symbian one was working so well.
22:02.08trumeeN95 sipstack is amazing. It does g729 so well. With N900, g729 eats up 55% cpu.
22:03.25orangeytrumee: I think that's the problem
22:03.26trumeeDocScrutinizer: maybe once your port twinkle to qt4, then all will be ok :p
22:03.42orangeytrumee: the person I'm trying to talk to who I have serious issues with is on the same provider (acanac), so we're probably having end-to-end SIP
22:03.50luke-jrtrumee: Sofia isn't new
22:03.51orangeywhereas everybody else is via PSTN
22:03.55trumeeorangey: pcmu consumes much less cpu, but still have the same choppyness.
22:03.59PhonicUKhas anyone tried Milkytracker on their N900?
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22:04.41trumeeluke-jr: not sure where the problem is a)Sofia or b)gstreamer/pulse-audio
22:04.48orangeyi actually wondered if it was some network issue and made my ISP add g729 to my account
22:04.58orangeytrumee: have you tried the new pulseaudio?
22:05.30trumeeorangey: no i havent. have you seen the choppiness thread on tmo.
22:05.40orangeyhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=60788
22:05.47orangeytrumee: which one? I've read through so many choppiness threads
22:05.59orangeymy problem isn't choppiness. it's complete silence for 10-100 seconds at a time
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22:06.22trumeeorangey: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54039
22:06.42trumeeorangey: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=811368&postcount=25
22:07.06trumeeorangey: i asked the guy above to test against my freeswitch server and his N900 was choppy.
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22:07.42trumeehe is doing calls over his internal network only, no wonder he is not facing major issues.
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22:08.01luke-jrno issues here
22:08.23trumeeluke-jr: iirc you tested with my freeswitch and it was choppy :)
22:08.46luke-jrIIRC it wasn't.
22:09.09luke-jrdidn't timeless and I hold a 30+ minute long convo over it?
22:09.28trumeeluke-jr: timeless said there was choppines?
22:09.40luke-jryeah, maybe once every 5-10 minutes
22:10.01trumeeluke-jr: the server is my primary telephone line and trust me i use it daily :)
22:10.13luke-jrin any case, my own PBX works fine
22:10.59trumeeluke-jr: if you are happy to create an extension then i can hook up the audio-book to your system. you can play with it as long as you can.
22:11.15luke-jr…
22:11.21orangeytrumee
22:11.22orangeytry this thing
22:11.28orangeyhook up a bluetooth and make the same call
22:11.47trumeeorangey: you think that will help?
22:11.57orangeytrumee: It does for me
22:12.09orangeytrumee: in fact, it eliminates the problem completely
22:12.21orangeywhich now that I think of it points more to PA instead of a codec issue
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22:14.34trumeeorangey: ok. i am going to try that out. got to go now.
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22:14.54trumeeluke-jr: think about giving me an extension.
22:14.57trumeegn all
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22:17.59DocScrutinizerhmm, porting twinkle sounds tempting, but alas twinkle isn't qt4-ready
22:18.13PhonicUKhmm, package manager keeps saying theres no free space
22:18.17PhonicUKbut apt-get has no problem
22:18.17DocScrutinizerotherwise it's be a walk in the park
22:18.22PhonicUKand everything has pleanty of free space
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22:19.05DocScrutinizercheck HAM logs
22:19.19PhonicUKwhere are they?
22:19.28DocScrutinizermenu - log ?
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22:20.15PhonicUKgot it
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22:24.18PhonicUKDocScrutinizer, looks like HAM is being stupid
22:24.21PhonicUKit says:
22:24.30DocScrutinizerthat all but new
22:24.36PhonicUKapt-worker: You don't have enough free space in /home
22:24.39PhonicUKbut earlier it says:
22:24.59PhonicUKapt-worker: free space (/home/) = 2113748992
22:25.08PhonicUKrequired disk space: 266394
22:25.23DocScrutinizerweird
22:25.24satmdmakes 485 pieces out of his birthday cake and shares his happy day :)
22:25.40DocScrutinizercheers satmd
22:25.52PhonicUKand i can use apt-get and its fine :\
22:25.54PhonicUKhow weird
22:26.02DocScrutinizerstrace?
22:26.23PhonicUKno stack trace is shown to me?
22:27.02CreamyGgoddamn, i fail at pointers. segfault :|
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22:37.09orangeyok, so I'm trying to test out the assumption that it's actually a performance issue
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22:37.34orangeybut when I install Titan's kernel (kernel-power-settings), I can no longer see my WLAN, though others show
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22:38.27orangeyany thoughts?
22:38.44orangey(I CAN see other WLANs)
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23:05.42teilzeitstudentIs there a way to stop the app manager from looking for updates everytime i connect to some network?
23:06.13lcukteilzeitstudent, you can set the time between checks
23:06.28lcukyou will have to search, its a common question and there are answers
23:07.42teilzeitstudent'kay.. ty.
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23:09.52DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#
23:09.58DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Disabling_Auto_Updates_Check
23:10.19DocScrutinizerHTH
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23:10.47lcuk:) ta DocScrutinizer
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23:12.03teilzeitstudentDocScrutinizer, thanks found some SDK doc with the same info. I guess 2,147,483,647 minutes is as good as never.
23:12.21lcuk:D
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23:13.30kerioi just set it to a year
23:14.16SpeedEvilI set it to once every decade.
23:14.21SpeedEvilDon't want it to get too out of date.
23:14.30teilzeitstudent:p
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23:15.13teilzeitstudenthmm. what will smartphones look like in 10 years
23:15.47lcukhas a few ideas
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23:17.14teilzeitstudentwell, I do too but none of them are too nice. shouldnt have read 1984 the other day :<
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23:18.32kerio1984 is awesome
23:18.56SpeedEvilwas
23:19.29keriono, the book
23:19.38keriothe book is still awesome
23:21.28teilzeitstudentwell soon google will have cameras outside of our house and inside, implanted in those internet-tv boxes.
23:22.37keriopff
23:22.44keriogoogle will scan our brain
23:24.47teilzeitstudentand saying "google sucks" in your living room will automatically increase the pageranking of your embarassing party pictures from when you where young.
23:25.21pupnikanybody here on osx? this might be a fun game for maemo
23:25.44keriome
23:25.49keriobut not atm
23:26.05ieatlintteilzeitstudent: i dunno, i'd have to say i'd expect that sooner of apple
23:26.26ieatlinteveryone will have just one phone, and they all look the same
23:26.52ieatlintyour only allowed to use it as they deem acceptable, etc
23:27.20pupnikhttp://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/sketchfighter/  kerio
23:27.34teilzeitstudentWell, google is Oceania, apple is Eurasia and microsoft is Eastasia. So.. what does it really matter :P
23:27.59keriopupnik: bookmarked, will try it
23:28.10kerioteilzeitstudent: omg they're the same!
23:28.22teilzeitstudentieatlint, noo. there will always be room for individualisation. have that one ringtone noone else has and be free!
23:28.47kerioor did you mean that we don't know if 2 out of 3 actually exist?
23:29.34ieatlintexcept that ringtone wasn't free
23:29.37ieatlintit cost you money
23:29.47teilzeitstudentof course it will. what do you expect
23:30.09keriofreedom is never free
23:30.18ieatlinti expect freedom not to be a commercial choice
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23:35.33SpeedEvil1fcamera
23:35.41SpeedEvil1It's dying on startup
23:35.44SpeedEvil1any clues?
23:35.58satmdstart it from xterm and watch the messages
23:36.06satmdmost likely it's missing something
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23:36.17SpeedEvilyeah - last lines were about LED
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23:40.50pigeonwhich app on the n900 can do phone call recording again?
23:41.32luke-jrRecorder?
23:44.01pigeonthanks, so obvious, yet so hard to remember... :)
23:44.16n900-spaceits in the form of a desktop widget, that lil red curved square ( i wish it was bigger ) .. its a cute widget though
23:48.00pigeonah, "recaller"?
23:48.13pigeonit said it has recorded, but can't find the recorded file.
23:48.14luke-jrmine is called Recorder
23:48.25luke-jrI think it was preinstalled
23:48.44pigeonweird, i don't have that widget.
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23:49.21luke-jrPR1.2?
23:49.31luke-jrand it's not a widget
23:49.33luke-jrit's an app
23:49.35luke-jrlike you asked for
23:49.36pigeonwait, there is it, the recorded file
23:49.45pigeonyeah, 1.2, but it's called "recaller" in the widget list.
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23:49.58luke-jrit's not a widget
23:50.15pigeonmy "recorder" is an app.
23:50.16pigeonyeah
23:50.30pigeonand what n900-space said is a widget, which is "recaller".
23:50.39pigeonrecaller seems to have recoreded better quality ones.
23:50.43luke-jrO.o
23:50.44pigeonanyway, thanks both.
23:53.11n900-spaceoh sorry i forget the names usually :)
23:53.28DocScrutinizer51SpeedEvil: fcam is brainfsckd as it seems to access LP5523 directly instead of going for mce pattern
23:53.37SpeedEvilhmm
23:54.05SpeedEvilstrace
23:55.26DocScrutinizer51e.g. fcam is known to mess up LP5523 so pretty thoroughly you not only see mce segfault but also need to *remove battery* to reset the led controller LP5523
23:55.48SpeedEvilyeah - 'led blinker device' -> seg
23:56.01DocScrutinizer51noobs
23:57.37SpeedEvilthough the last call is actually to /dev/fb1
23:57.42DocScrutinizer51wtf is so damn hard to sed a new pattern into mce.ini and call that via mce dbus call like every proper app does?
23:58.58ieatlintlol, local commuter train has massive delays because someone decided to drive their car down the train tracks
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