| 00:00.12 | Macer | by far the absolutely best thing ever made for maemo.. was telepathy. it is just awesome |
| 00:00.26 | Macer | i'd give anything in the world to see it go over to android.. telepathy/rtcomm is just awesome |
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| 00:05.52 | pupnik | http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/What_is_Enlightenment%3F "What is Enlightenment?" by Immanuel Kant <<< surprisingly good for 1784 |
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| 00:08.02 | SpeedEvil | pupnik: apt-get install flashlight |
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| 00:09.00 | pupnik | :) |
| 00:09.45 | pupnik | SpeedEvil: "That the step to competence is held to be very dangerous by the far greater portion of mankind (and by the entire fair sex) - quite apart from its being arduous is seen to by those guardians who have so kindly assumed superintendence over them." |
| 00:09.54 | pupnik | ^^ public schooling |
| 00:10.38 | SpeedEvil | hits pupnik with a trout. |
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| 00:11.34 | raster | pupnik: bah! so wrong! |
| 00:11.35 | raster | http://www.enlightenment.org/p.php?p=about&l=en |
| 00:11.42 | raster | THATS what enlightenment is! |
| 00:11.44 | raster | damnit! |
| 00:11.45 | raster | :) |
| 00:12.41 | TiagoTiago_ | apt-get -f install = http://pastebin.com/rtheKjHv help? |
| 00:13.56 | pupnik | :) raster |
| 00:14.03 | pupnik | "If I have a book which understands for me, a pastor who has a conscience for me, a physician who decides my diet, and so forth, I need not trouble myself. I need not think, if I can only pay - others will easily undertake the irksome work for me. " -Kant |
| 00:14.36 | TiagoTiago | that sounds so current |
| 00:16.27 | SpeedEvil | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_WRFJwGsbY |
| 00:16.29 | pupnik | yes! |
| 00:16.32 | pupnik | this essay is very direct and modern, that's part of my surprise |
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| 00:16.46 | pupnik | philosophers generally were quite wordy in those days |
| 00:17.20 | TiagoTiago | Other texts weren't? |
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| 00:18.37 | TiagoTiago | ah, "philoshopehres", ok, i need sleep x.x |
| 00:18.37 | TiagoTiago | erm, damn |
| 00:18.37 | TiagoTiago | phylosophers" |
| 00:18.37 | TiagoTiago | meh, close enough |
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| 00:24.32 | TiagoTiago | MNZ? |
| 00:25.03 | MNZ | TiagoTiago, hm? |
| 00:25.15 | TiagoTiago | you were the one helping me the other day, right? |
| 00:25.27 | MNZ | with the python stuff, yeah |
| 00:25.43 | TiagoTiago | are you busy? |
| 00:26.26 | MNZ | yes actually. if it's something quick I can take a look, but nothing too much |
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| 00:26.33 | TiagoTiago | [21:12]<TiagoTiago_>apt-get -f install = http://pastebin.com/rtheKjHv help? |
| 00:26.42 | TiagoTiago | what shuold i do? |
| 00:26.51 | TiagoTiago | or too much for you to decypher right now? |
| 00:28.02 | MNZ | too much. plus I never dealt with easydebian. plus I would need plenty of history on what exactly fscked up the package system so much |
| 00:28.12 | MNZ | sorry mate |
| 00:28.26 | TiagoTiago | i used fapman to install lots of shit at once |
| 00:28.30 | TiagoTiago | that's the background |
| 00:37.48 | TiagoTiago | well, thanx anway |
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| 00:40.42 | TiagoTiago | | |
| 00:42.25 | TiagoTiago_ | / |
| 00:42.55 | GAN900 | Looks like the right wing of a TIE-Bomber. |
| 00:43.33 | johnx | hey GAN900 :D |
| 00:43.48 | TiagoTiago_ | lol |
| 00:43.59 | GAN900 | Hi, johnx. :D |
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| 00:52.45 | DocScrutinizer | hey |
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| 00:53.28 | johnx | DocScrutinizer, hi |
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| 01:07.14 | MNZ | night #maemo! |
| 01:07.24 | johnx | GAN900, in soviet new york, red sox chuckle at you |
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| 01:35.44 | GAN900 | 14 to 2, Rays. |
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| 01:43.26 | TiagoTiago_ | I odn't wanna have to reflash again so soon :( |
| 01:44.13 | johnx | TiagoTiago, what did you break this time? :P |
| 01:44.40 | TiagoTiago_ | thing swon't install or update |
| 01:44.59 | TiagoTiago_ | [21:12]<TiagoTiago_>apt-get -f install = http://pastebin.com/rtheKjHv help? |
| 01:46.42 | johnx | usual stuff. output of df -h and where did you get wget from? |
| 01:46.58 | SpeedEvil | lcuk |
| 01:46.59 | SpeedEvil | oops |
| 01:47.09 | TiagoTiago_ | it probably came with one of the many things i tried to install at once |
| 01:47.26 | johnx | and where did those things come from? |
| 01:47.31 | TiagoTiago_ | fapman |
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| 01:48.34 | johnx | which *repository* did they come from? |
| 01:48.43 | TiagoTiago_ | all 3 i guess |
| 01:49.04 | TiagoTiago_ | just about all of them i already had installed previously but i was installign everythign again cause i've reflashed it all |
| 01:49.25 | johnx | well, run apt-cache policy wget |
| 01:49.30 | johnx | see which repo it came from |
| 01:49.53 | TiagoTiago | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=HZ4yUzsh df-h |
| 01:50.01 | johnx | also, did you install something that auto-optifies things? |
| 01:51.06 | TiagoTiago_ | i don't think i did, might have misclkied while selecting stuff in fapman, was so much stuff i didn't even confirmed if i really marked each thing, i was expecting that later i would look at the list agian and add the things i missed int he first pass |
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| 01:56.54 | TiagoTiago | damn router keeps messing up |
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| 01:59.16 | TiagoTiago_ | http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=2JCE1xZd the policy thing |
| 01:59.58 | TiagoTiago | johnx: stil there? |
| 02:01.19 | johnx | TiagoTiago, I am, but I don't have any ideas, and frankly I ran out of energy to troubleshoot other peoples' problems today. sorry :/ |
| 02:01.30 | TiagoTiago | ok, thanx anyway |
| 02:01.47 | johnx | if you're tired of reflashing, it's probably time either get better at fixing stuff or stop playing around with extras-devel |
| 02:01.56 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 02:02.43 | johnx | eventually people get tired of helping you fix stuff that you broke. sorry to be direct, but it's true |
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| 02:03.04 | TiagoTiago | i first reflashed because of overclocking, then because i kept turning the phone on and off and swaping the sim too fast, and now aparently for getting a bit too impacient with resintalling all my stuf back |
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| 02:04.57 | TiagoTiago | :\ |
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| 02:16.58 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can run a command that will uninstall every adidtional thing automaticly leaving the device close to a fresh reflash? |
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| 02:24.01 | dotblank | Wow, that Okuda theme is really nice |
| 02:24.34 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can run a command that will uninstall every adidtional thing automaticly leaving the device close to a fresh reflash? |
| 02:24.47 | johnx | not as far as I know |
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| 02:28.22 | TiagoTiago | :( |
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| 02:29.12 | TiagoTiago | if i keep reflashing at the first sign of problems i'll never learn why problems happen and how to fix them :/ |
| 02:29.36 | johnx | 100% agreement there :) |
| 02:30.09 | GeneralAntilles | dotblank, Ian knows what he's about with theming. |
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| 02:30.25 | johnx | so it's time to start doing some reading, some troubleshooting, and lots of google searching |
| 02:30.31 | TiagoTiago | lol |
| 02:31.11 | johnx | heh. I'm dead serious. Everyone starts somewhere. |
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| 02:33.48 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: you just need to have a bit more patience - I keep a scratchpad file and copy/paste the cl to it |
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| 02:35.13 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: and make copies of your important stuff - it's all standard practice and you can't expect unlimitied help if you don't do the basics |
| 02:35.25 | TiagoTiago | pardon my ignorance, whatsa scrtchpad file? |
| 02:35.54 | TiagoTiago | it's all backed up, but hte bigegst part is reisntallign and settign all the prgorams and gaems and stuff again |
| 02:36.00 | TiagoTiago | Scratchpad* |
| 02:36.14 | TiagoTiago | gah, damn typos |
| 02:36.20 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: just a text file of notes of what you are doingg |
| 02:36.28 | TiagoTiago | ah, i see |
| 02:36.35 | TiagoTiago | is there a way i can autoamte that? |
| 02:37.11 | jpinx-eeepc | apart from reading the log, no |
| 02:37.13 | TiagoTiago | like set it up so all console commands i type and results get added to some log? |
| 02:37.34 | TiagoTiago | i mean, like in a file, the buffer of the terminal often runs out |
| 02:38.11 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: yea - I curse the buffer ;) |
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| 02:39.39 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: I sometimes copy the buffer into a scratchfile, for important stuff |
| 02:40.06 | TiagoTiago | i don't always know the ou tput of a command will fill up the buffer |
| 02:40.15 | johnx | or install bash and take advantage of the .bash_history |
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| 02:42.01 | jpinx-eeepc | johnx: will the basic maemo take bash? |
| 02:42.24 | johnx | isn't it in extras or extras-devel? |
| 02:42.29 | johnx | s/devel/testing/ |
| 02:42.33 | johnx | I thought I saw it there ... |
| 02:42.46 | jpinx-eeepc | can't look atm |
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| 02:48.30 | jpinx-eeepc | TiagoTiago: Good neews -- bash is available for us! this should solve a lot of you (and my) problems |
| 02:48.48 | TiagoTiago | :) |
| 02:50.32 | TiagoTiago | does it replace the regular stuff or what? |
| 02:50.42 | johnx | nope |
| 02:50.45 | johnx | that'd be kinda bad :) |
| 02:50.58 | jpinx-eeepc | no - install it and choose it |
| 02:50.59 | TiagoTiago | really? why? |
| 02:51.08 | jpinx-eeepc | keep the original in case you have problems |
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| 02:51.37 | jpinx-eeepc | gets the feeling that TiagoTiago is a tad brutal on the system ;) |
| 02:51.38 | TiagoTiago | ah, of course, |
| 02:51.38 | johnx | because scripts sometimes rely on very specific behavior from the shell they're run in |
| 02:51.51 | TiagoTiago | i meant does it take place of the regular stuff while it is installed? |
| 02:52.47 | TiagoTiago | yo'ure saying it doesn't, it jsut hangs int he corner untill you go for it? |
| 02:53.17 | johnx | I *think* so |
| 02:53.40 | johnx | otherwise I think it'd cause the N900 to behave badly |
| 02:53.41 | jpinx-eeepc | my guess is that it'll install and wait for you to select it |
| 02:54.38 | TiagoTiago | is there a command for apt-get or similar to fix all dependencies and ask me A or B to resolve conflicts? |
| 02:54.55 | johnx | aptitude |
| 02:55.17 | TiagoTiago | just that or do i add some parameters? |
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| 02:57.04 | johnx | install it (if you can), then run it as root |
| 02:57.21 | johnx | then read up on how it works :) |
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| 03:04.54 | TiagoTiago | sigsegv segmentation fault :( |
| 03:05.02 | johnx | bummer |
| 03:06.33 | TiagoTiago | no way aroudn that, is there? |
| 03:09.11 | johnx | well, it works here, so I think your install is hosed in some bad way |
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| 03:09.39 | johnx | ah, nevermind, cancel that. sigsegv here too |
| 03:10.50 | johnx | your problem isn't conflicts so much as packages failing to install in bad ways |
| 03:11.01 | johnx | so I don't think it would have helped your main problem all that much |
| 03:11.45 | TiagoTiago | how abut a way to uninstall everythign that isn't properl installed? |
| 03:11.51 | TiagoTiago | properly* |
| 03:12.17 | CreamyG | sweet, i've recompiled conky to have proper support for the n900 battery and it's working |
| 03:12.29 | TiagoTiago | cool |
| 03:12.31 | CreamyG | now you can set a different update interval for when it's plugged in or not |
| 03:13.15 | CreamyG | i'll upload some code now at least it's not crashing :D |
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| 03:16.08 | ShadowJK | CreamyG, what does "Proper support" mean here.. |
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| 03:18.15 | CreamyG | read battery status from sysfs (not HAL) but this is good enough for conky to know the % and draw battery bars and stuff i hope |
| 03:18.16 | TiagoTiago | would it be safe to just apt-get remove each of those packages listed in the end of the output? |
| 03:19.11 | CreamyG | i have to make a conf file to test that but it at least is able to tell if it's charging or not for sure. also this is on the 1.8.0 codebase so has some more variables and stuff to play with. |
| 03:19.13 | johnx | TiagoTiago: just be careful that it doesn't remove any important packages in the process |
| 03:19.25 | TiagoTiago | hwo do i know if a package is important? |
| 03:20.01 | johnx | apt will tell you if it's *really* important |
| 03:20.23 | johnx | but it may still let you remove somewhat important nokia packages that aren't available except through a reflash |
| 03:20.37 | TiagoTiago | it will be different frm those warnings about ading or releasing disk space,. right? |
| 03:20.49 | TiagoTiago | hm |
| 03:20.57 | ShadowJK | CreamyG, I guess that requires power kernel? |
| 03:21.06 | TiagoTiago | libhildonmm is safe? |
| 03:21.26 | CreamyG | yeah for now, but the HAL stuff can be added, i just want to do one step at a time. |
| 03:21.43 | johnx | TiagoTiago: use apt-cache policy libhildonmm |
| 03:21.49 | johnx | see if it's available in a repo |
| 03:22.23 | TiagoTiago | things like games and editors etc i recognize from the list fromt he repos i can just go ahead and remove without needing to check, right? |
| 03:23.24 | johnx | only if you're sure you either don't care about them or that they really are from extras |
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| 03:25.10 | TiagoTiago | what do you mean don't care? |
| 03:26.07 | johnx | I mean, you probably can't re-install the built-in 'marbles' game without reflashing, but if you don't care about it, then just get rid of it |
| 03:26.22 | TiagoTiago | ah, ok |
| 03:26.37 | TiagoTiago | why is that? some licensing c=issues? |
| 03:26.40 | TiagoTiago | issues* |
| 03:26.44 | TiagoTiago | weird typo 0.o |
| 03:27.03 | johnx | yeah |
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| 03:37.58 | lolloo | If someone wants to start to learn Linux specially for maemo 5 OS , where shall I start? |
| 03:38.21 | scp1 | by reading the source? :p |
| 03:38.34 | scp1 | or... the maemo documentation |
| 03:39.45 | johnx | lolloo: honestly, it'd be easiest to learn linux in a more 'comfortable' distribution like fedora or ubuntu (or even debian or gentoo). the things you learn there would definitely apply to maemo (especially debian and ubuntu) |
| 03:40.23 | johnx | maemo is kind of "cut down" to fit on the small hardware. It has less flexible command line tools and very little documentation on the device itself |
| 03:40.59 | scp1 | ... until you install them :> |
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| 03:41.10 | lolloo | what is the closest os for maemo? |
| 03:41.47 | lolloo | thank you johnx |
| 03:42.07 | johnx | debian and ubuntu are closest |
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| 03:46.32 | luke-jr | scp1: how does one read the source when it's closed? |
| 03:48.42 | scp1 | luke-jr, uh, what? |
| 03:48.56 | luke-jr | scp1: Maemo isn't open source. You can't learn it from reading the code |
| 03:49.21 | luke-jr | just bits and pieces they're obliged to leave open |
| 03:49.39 | scp1 | I thought there just things like the gsm modules that wasnt open? |
| 03:49.59 | luke-jr | "things" make up a majority |
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| 03:51.18 | scp1 | 'Maemo is mostly based on open source code' |
| 03:51.57 | scp1 | and, uh... http://maemo.nokia.com/maemo/open-source/ |
| 03:53.23 | luke-jr | scp1: note that it never says Maemo is open source, just maemo.org |
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| 03:55.20 | scp1 | lulz |
| 03:55.41 | luke-jr | it's called sneaky marketting |
| 03:55.41 | scp1 | well http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages |
| 03:56.09 | luke-jr | scp1: well what? |
| 03:56.37 | scp1 | well there you have what's closed I assume? |
| 03:56.58 | luke-jr | some of it |
| 03:58.03 | luke-jr | along with lame excuses |
| 03:58.12 | scp1 | yeah. |
| 03:59.07 | CreamyG | well at least meego has hope |
| 03:59.46 | scp1 | Well that wont be 100% open source either I guess |
| 03:59.54 | luke-jr | CreamyG: not really, last I heard Nokia is going to try to force other platforms that want to use MeeGo to become closed too |
| 04:00.38 | scp1 | uh |
| 04:00.45 | scp1 | wtf are they doing |
| 04:00.56 | luke-jr | kicking their own butts, as usual, IMO |
| 04:01.51 | CreamyG | yeah, well, at least we don't have sony phones |
| 04:01.53 | asj | luke-jr: lol, we all love you |
| 04:01.58 | scp1 | Is there a reason to use 'alarm' instead of dcron or whatever? |
| 04:02.22 | asj | scp1: battery savings |
| 04:02.39 | scp1 | uh I dont care about that |
| 04:02.49 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:02.53 | asj | scp1: anyone but you want to use your app? |
| 04:03.13 | scp1 | asj, what? |
| 04:03.15 | luke-jr | scp1: then get an Atom |
| 04:03.22 | CreamyG | i wish someone would write an app to switch profiles in meetings |
| 04:03.43 | CreamyG | i miss that feature of whatever symbian app did that for me |
| 04:03.46 | asj | scp1: you asked for a reason to alarm, presumable you want to write an app or something |
| 04:03.51 | scp1 | Since I'm always at home with the power plugged in to the n900, there's no reason for me to try to save the planet by not wasting resources :> |
| 04:03.54 | asj | CreamyG: how does it know you are in a meeting? |
| 04:04.06 | luke-jr | scp1: why the heck do you have a N900 at all then? |
| 04:04.09 | CreamyG | uhh, calendar |
| 04:04.36 | CreamyG | it could just guess if my task says blah MEETING blah blah blah |
| 04:04.37 | scp1 | luke-jr, because my 3310 died |
| 04:04.47 | scp1 | asj, yeah, maybe |
| 04:04.49 | asj | CreamyG: ah, not all my meetings in my calendar are silent times, but interesting |
| 04:04.53 | luke-jr | scp1: if you're not moving, just get a destkop |
| 04:05.16 | asj | CreamyG: there a couple apps to schedule silent times |
| 04:05.45 | asj | (not the same, but soimething) |
| 04:06.46 | CreamyG | yeah i use that already, i guess i could schedule my weekly meetings like that. it's not like the stupid calendar figured out my meeting yesterday was cancelled either. |
| 04:07.25 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:07.52 | CreamyG | maybe my boss didn't cancel it properly, outlook insisted on beeping at me today HEY YOU MISSED THIS "CANCELLED MEETING" BY 25 HOURS |
| 04:08.31 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:08.49 | CreamyG | man i hate the garage on maemo now, why is it so slow |
| 04:09.20 | asj | CreamyG: it's something anyways |
| 04:16.06 | GeneralAntilles | Vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 |
| 04:16.20 | GeneralAntilles | If you don't have a Talk account, get one and vote. |
| 04:20.45 | luke-jr | why |
| 04:21.01 | luke-jr | you didn't even say what the poll was about |
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| 04:21.57 | GeneralAntilles | It's about how many apps you use on your N900 day-to-day. |
| 04:21.58 | GeneralAntilles | Summary is in the first post. |
| 04:22.01 | GeneralAntilles | Just vote. |
| 04:22.04 | FIQ | makes a Talk account |
| 04:22.11 | FIQ | uh, right, i have one |
| 04:22.17 | FIQ | logs in |
| 04:22.18 | GeneralAntilles | And thanks in advance! :) |
| 04:22.22 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: voted 1-3 |
| 04:22.32 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, excellent. |
| 04:22.42 | FIQ | vme usually have a lots of things running |
| 04:22.48 | lolloo | am voting too |
| 04:22.49 | FIQ | s/v/\// |
| 04:22.53 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: and IMO, browsers are all too bloated nowadays to expect people to open links with no description |
| 04:23.11 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, I'm sorry for using up your valuable RAM. :P |
| 04:23.40 | timoph | votes 1-3 |
| 04:23.46 | scp1 | 14 here |
| 04:23.54 | FIQ | speaking about browsers, why is the title attribute inactive? |
| 04:23.54 | luke-jr | GeneralAntilles: I'm actually not swapping for once |
| 04:24.05 | jpinx-eeepc | where are the contacts and sms messages stored? I'd like to do a manual backup |
| 04:24.10 | luke-jr | sorry, I take that back |
| 04:24.12 | luke-jr | swapping by 22% |
| 04:24.17 | FIQ | it has always been that for me @ mobile browsers, and i've never liked it |
| 04:24.17 | luke-jr | sigh |
| 04:24.34 | GeneralAntilles | jpinx-eeepc, I think the backup application grabs them. |
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| 04:24.47 | GeneralAntilles | and I wonder how Peter defines applications. . . . |
| 04:25.01 | GeneralAntilles | Windows or actual application processes. |
| 04:25.05 | luke-jr | ⦠|
| 04:25.06 | jpinx-eeepc | GeneralAntilles: ok - but I'd really like to do a manual backup/edit |
| 04:25.13 | GeneralAntilles | Because I usually run MicroB, XChat, Modest, FBReader, and sometimes the Media Player. |
| 04:25.16 | timoph | I'd guess he means open windows |
| 04:25.17 | luke-jr | if it were processes, I'd have to go with like 500 |
| 04:25.18 | GeneralAntilles | Plus SMS |
| 04:25.27 | GeneralAntilles | luke-jr, GUI stuff, obviously. |
| 04:25.33 | GeneralAntilles | But that's between 6 and 10 open windows. |
| 04:25.51 | scp1 | ps u would give a better number imo |
| 04:25.56 | lolloo | what does these all do GeneralAntilles |
| 04:26.08 | FIQ | he ofc means processes! |
| 04:26.15 | FIQ | and don't forget counting Xorg |
| 04:26.18 | luke-jr | IMO, N900 isn't usable with too many apps running |
| 04:26.29 | luke-jr | so some of the low-numbered votes would be higher if it were practical |
| 04:26.30 | GeneralAntilles | Voting higher can't hurt. ;) |
| 04:26.37 | luke-jr | too late |
| 04:26.49 | GeneralAntilles | lolloo, MicroB is the browser, XChat for IRC, Modest for email, FBReader for books. |
| 04:27.03 | lolloo | wow nice |
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| 04:27.15 | FIQ | lol, aMSN failed one day and opened "do you want to add this contact" for everyone i already had |
| 04:27.23 | lolloo | i will try them |
| 04:27.23 | FIQ | ended up with 100+ windows |
| 04:27.30 | FIQ | and not really a major slowdown |
| 04:27.44 | FIQ | but i was forced to kill amsn in xterm |
| 04:28.25 | lolloo | how do you kill FI |
| 04:28.32 | luke-jr | killall KI |
| 04:28.35 | luke-jr | killall FI |
| 04:28.45 | lolloo | hhhhh |
| 04:28.50 | luke-jr | killall -9 FI |
| 04:29.10 | luke-jr | reboot -f |
| 04:29.14 | jpinx-eeepc | still looking for where the contacts list is stored, and sms, any ideas ? |
| 04:29.47 | luke-jr | jpinx-eeepc: /home/user |
| 04:29.51 | FIQ | votes on the highest one ("plenty, never close") |
| 04:30.05 | FIQ | meh |
| 04:30.08 | FIQ | 3 votes... |
| 04:30.18 | FIQ | fu all :D |
| 04:30.25 | luke-jr | no u |
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| 04:31.32 | jpinx-eeepc | luke-jr: as what? |
| 04:31.50 | FIQ | 6-9 used to be true on my P1i, or sometimes 9+, but my P1i would complain if i had it like that a longer time. :P |
| 04:31.56 | FIQ | on my old phone i meant |
| 04:33.27 | FIQ | ooh, a report button! |
| 04:33.37 | FIQ | reports the marketing guy |
| 04:33.38 | FIQ | (or not) |
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| 05:16.44 | zgoldberg | Are there any known issues with setting up skype video calls? I initiate a video call and can see myself but they cant see me and I can't see the other person. |
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| 05:23.29 | CreamyG | uhh try muting for a moment to see if it catches up |
| 05:23.40 | CreamyG | also it's really dark so go stand in front of a light |
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| 05:38.57 | quanttrom | zgoldberg: I've experienced the same thing..but I've only tried the video calls like twice.. |
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| 05:39.46 | quanttrom | what do you/ppl use for navigation/GPS !? it is really annoying how the search does not work without Internet connection |
| 05:40.10 | frals | zgoldberg: i had that when behind a very restrictive nat.. worked when the other person called me and i activated the camera :P |
| 05:44.05 | merlin1991 | quanttrom, mine doesn't even get the current position without internet, I wonder if at least that is possible |
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| 05:46.41 | quanttrom | merlin1991: |
| 05:47.05 | quanttrom | merlin1991: yeah it is. I disabled the option where it uses the tower location and I can get a lock |
| 05:47.46 | merlin1991 | I disabled it too, but I'm still waiting for a lock |
| 05:48.00 | quanttrom | merlin1991: you should not that if it doesn't get a long in X seconds it stops. Close the ovi maps app and try agian. Some people suggested using this other app that uses the gps but does not time out |
| 05:48.13 | quanttrom | merlin1991: are you inside a building? concrete building? |
| 05:48.47 | merlin1991 | atm I'm inside a brick building, but I tried it outside some time ago too, and it didn't work either |
| 05:49.06 | quanttrom | concrete isn't the best...try placing it by the window.. |
| 05:49.20 | quanttrom | sometimes gps can take > 1 min to lock...but that's rare |
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| 05:50.11 | quanttrom | btw....the N900 has the best GPS receiver I've seen so far.. |
| 05:50.25 | Macer | LOL |
| 05:51.42 | slonopotamus | quanttrom: and you saw only n810 gps before? :) |
| 05:53.24 | quanttrom | nah I own a real GPS one of the Magellan Maestro series |
| 05:53.36 | quanttrom | it doens't really compare but for a cell, the N900 has been good |
| 05:54.36 | Macer | i honestly thought my old G1 had an ok gps |
| 05:54.36 | Macer | and the ovi maps is horrible |
| 05:55.04 | quanttrom | +1 on the ovi maps |
| 05:55.19 | quanttrom | what is up with not being able to search |
| 05:55.42 | merlin1991 | it searches on the nokia server afaik |
| 05:56.35 | quanttrom | I guess that's the only good explanation, but really come on Nokia...really.. |
| 05:59.18 | CreamyG | heh you guys are lucky not to have a shitty provider that blocks agps |
| 05:59.38 | CreamyG | then you'd see how bad the n900 gps can be |
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| 05:59.41 | Macer | LOL |
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| 05:59.47 | quanttrom | :P |
| 05:59.52 | quanttrom | why would they do that...? |
| 06:00.03 | CreamyG | save $1? |
| 06:00.05 | Macer | trying to get verizon and order a droid 2 and my n900 is telling me bad gateway |
| 06:00.06 | CreamyG | i dunno |
| 06:00.09 | Macer | awesome |
| 06:00.22 | CreamyG | ask WIND, they have a great community forum where you can ask them all that stuff |
| 06:00.22 | Macer | is that some sort of tmob cock block? |
| 06:00.40 | CreamyG | of course they wont' answer... at least not properly |
| 06:00.52 | CreamyG | no it's canada's newest provider |
| 06:00.56 | CreamyG | WIND |
| 06:01.07 | CreamyG | only provider with 3.5G on the n900 :( |
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| 06:05.23 | tank-man | how do they block agps? |
| 06:05.43 | CreamyG | how? they advertise "unlimited internet" but it's got blocked ports. |
| 06:05.53 | CreamyG | agps is one of the ones that they don't allow |
| 06:06.00 | tank-man | i see |
| 06:06.03 | CreamyG | god only knows why... |
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| 06:09.37 | quanttrom | hey I've got WIND TOO :) |
| 06:09.46 | quanttrom | i really can't complain tho.. |
| 06:10.04 | quanttrom | i got too good of a deal |
| 06:10.16 | doc|home | wind++ |
| 06:10.50 | doc|home | CreamyG: erm, how would they block agps? |
| 06:10.54 | CreamyG | it's costing me more than rogers |
| 06:10.55 | doc|home | and more to the point, why? |
| 06:11.01 | doc|home | CreamyG: how is that possible? |
| 06:11.09 | doc|home | if it is then you picked the wrong plans |
| 06:11.11 | CreamyG | wtf u mean how, its a port on nokia/google's agps server, 5645 or something |
| 06:11.19 | CreamyG | they dont' allow any traffic on that port. |
| 06:11.25 | CreamyG | who knows why |
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| 06:11.37 | CreamyG | probably think their towers are not compatible for some reason |
| 06:11.45 | doc|home | if that's the case, have you asked them to open it? |
| 06:11.48 | CreamyG | maybe they aren't, but if they keep blocking, they never will be |
| 06:11.52 | doc|home | I've had no problem using gps in vancouver |
| 06:12.13 | CreamyG | why would *I*, there's plenty of other people that can call and wait on hold to explain what a port is to some stupid CSR |
| 06:12.13 | kerio | CreamyG: use some kind of tunneling! |
| 06:12.14 | kerio | :D |
| 06:12.31 | CreamyG | lol i'm not running a damn proxy, plus the n900 will never be compatible with that |
| 06:12.32 | kerio | do they allow ssh? |
| 06:12.41 | doc|home | CreamyG: so, you're complaining here instead about a problem you're not even sure is there? very productive. |
| 06:12.41 | kerio | the n900 is indeed compatible with that, duh |
| 06:12.44 | kerio | ssh -D |
| 06:13.00 | CreamyG | yeah but u can't pipe every app on the phone through a proxy |
| 06:13.05 | kerio | yes you can |
| 06:13.07 | kerio | it's a socks proxy |
| 06:13.09 | doc|home | heh |
| 06:13.14 | CreamyG | really? hmmm |
| 06:13.16 | doc|home | and again, if you're paying more than rogers you're picking the wrong plans |
| 06:13.24 | kerio | hell, you could even use dns tunneling with the n900 |
| 06:13.36 | kerio | see, that's what you get by having a linux box in your pocket :) |
| 06:13.36 | CreamyG | dude i had a retention plan, 6gb + 250 min $60 |
| 06:13.46 | CreamyG | now with wind its like $80 |
| 06:13.53 | kerio | retention plan... 60$? |
| 06:13.53 | kerio | WTF |
| 06:14.38 | CreamyG | hmm i'll have to ask how to set that up some time |
| 06:14.42 | CreamyG | chasing conky bugs now |
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| 06:15.28 | rmrfchik | hi there |
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| 06:16.42 | kerio | dns tunneling is an epic idea |
| 06:16.53 | mece | huh? |
| 06:18.26 | kerio | mece: you know how dns lets you set another dns server for a subzone |
| 06:18.44 | mece | uhu |
| 06:18.45 | kerio | what stops you from hiding tcp inside dns requests? |
| 06:19.01 | mece | interesting... well I guess the dns would stop you? |
| 06:19.02 | kerio | that are escalated up to your own "dns" server |
| 06:19.06 | kerio | huh? |
| 06:19.09 | mece | ah oh |
| 06:19.15 | mece | if you have it yourself. |
| 06:19.20 | kerio | well of course |
| 06:19.32 | kerio | you need to have a domain and a box on the 'net |
| 06:19.50 | kerio | it's just little more than you need for a ssh tunnel, a ddns and a box on the 'net |
| 06:20.09 | merlin1991 | and then you channel your data trough unique dns requests :) |
| 06:20.16 | kerio | yup |
| 06:20.31 | kerio | either TXT requests, which can be easily blocked, or through AAAA requests |
| 06:20.37 | mece | so what are you waiting for? Implement and demonstrate! |
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| 06:20.58 | merlin1991 | why implement, afaik there are ready to use packages out there |
| 06:21.02 | kerio | exactly |
| 06:23.35 | merlin1991 | I have no idea why I'm doing this, but I installed make-doc and I'm reading trough it now :P |
| 06:23.53 | merlin1991 | s/tro/thro/ |
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| 06:34.17 | DHR | I just bought a used n810. It does not seem to power down. I press and hold the power key and it seems to go down and then reboot. Is that normal? Does not match my n800's behaviour. |
| 06:37.07 | X-Fade | DHR: Is your charger connected? |
| 06:38.35 | DHR | not when I try this. The power jack is a little wonky so I don't like holding the n810 while power is connected (would jiggle and no longer charge). |
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| 06:40.42 | crashanddie | Hey all |
| 06:40.56 | merlin1991 | hey crashanddie |
| 06:41.05 | crashanddie | howzit going? |
| 06:41.18 | merlin1991 | off topic? |
| 06:41.39 | DHR | depends on what "it" is? |
| 06:41.42 | merlin1991 | but that's more the answer to wherzit going |
| 06:42.21 | crashanddie | meh, off topic is fine |
| 06:42.27 | crashanddie | as long as it's not too political |
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| 06:45.28 | merlin1991 | crashanddie, going well, I moved on to the documentation in make-doc :D |
| 06:45.29 | jpinx-eeepc | "Device is using more power than it is receiving" wtf? |
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| 06:46.13 | X-Fade | jpinx-eeepc: That happens when your usb port is not providing enough power. |
| 06:46.48 | X-Fade | jpinx-eeepc: Less than the N900 is using at that moment at least |
| 06:47.00 | jpinx-eeepc | :/ |
| 06:47.23 | X-Fade | jpinx-eeepc: What does your usb port say it can deliver? |
| 06:48.03 | jpinx-eeepc | dunno where to find that out |
| 06:49.32 | jpinx-eeepc | probably the standard 500Ma |
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| 06:51.37 | Jaffa | Ev'ning |
| 06:51.40 | Jaffa | Err, morning. |
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| 06:53.48 | quanttrom | jpinx-eeepc: isnt the standart 500mA available without any negotiations ? i think its more |
| 06:54.01 | merlin1991 | morning Jaffa |
| 06:54.37 | jpinx-eeepc | quanttrom: charging from my eeeepc usb port while data transferring |
| 06:55.50 | jpinx-eeepc | not sure if doing heavy data transfers reduces the charging capabilty |
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| 06:57.05 | merlin1991 | jpinx-eeepc, are you still using your ssh madness? |
| 06:57.21 | jpinx-eeepc | yep |
| 06:57.36 | jpinx-eeepc | I need to use sshfs, sooo |
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| 07:19.02 | dr34m | any idea where i can get this stick for the n900? mine broke |
| 07:19.06 | dr34m | some online shop eg. |
| 07:19.39 | pronto | cookies! |
| 07:19.46 | joga | n900 stylus in google might be the first step |
| 07:19.52 | dr34m | ah stylus |
| 07:19.56 | ieatlint | i want cookies |
| 07:19.57 | dr34m | i was googling for stick :p |
| 07:20.00 | joga | :) |
| 07:20.22 | dr34m | perfect thx |
| 07:20.30 | jacekowski | dr34m: i was looking for n900 stylus couple months ago |
| 07:20.41 | jacekowski | and it worked out that it's simpler to just find my stylus |
| 07:20.46 | jacekowski | rather than buy new one |
| 07:20.48 | dr34m | lol |
| 07:20.55 | dr34m | i found already |
| 07:20.58 | dr34m | 3 pieces 9 euro |
| 07:21.20 | dr34m | you can never have enough stylusses ? whats the plural of stylus? :) |
| 07:21.21 | ieatlint | that's incredibly expensive for a small piece of plastic if you think about it :P |
| 07:21.23 | jacekowski | try to find original one |
| 07:21.25 | ieatlint | styli |
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| 07:21.35 | dr34m | :) |
| 07:21.41 | ieatlint | english is awesome |
| 07:21.47 | jacekowski | chinese replacement is easy to find |
| 07:21.54 | dr34m | not my best i guess |
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| 07:25.35 | jpinx-eeepc | ieatlint: stylii |
| 07:26.11 | dr34m | hm did you ever try those screen protectors? that you stick on the display ? |
| 07:26.15 | ieatlint | uh, no, styli |
| 07:26.24 | ieatlint | google agrees with me |
| 07:26.40 | ieatlint | http://www.google.com/search?q=define:stylii has no definitions |
| 07:26.44 | dr34m | wonder if the stylus works nicely with such thing |
| 07:26.44 | ieatlint | styli there has numerous |
| 07:27.01 | Shadikka | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/stylus?jss=0 |
| 07:27.06 | ieatlint | dr34m: i have one of the invisible shields on my n900.. works well |
| 07:27.07 | Shadikka | either goes. |
| 07:27.10 | kerio | A stylus (plural: styli or styluses) |
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| 07:27.30 | dr34m | jesus i wish i had never asked |
| 07:27.37 | ieatlint | Shadikka: that page doesn't say stylii is valid |
| 07:27.49 | ieatlint | pedantic geeks? no way... :P |
| 07:27.51 | Shadikka | ânoun,plural-li |
| 07:28.05 | Shadikka | whitespace pasting works well, apparently |
| 07:28.09 | Shadikka | ân , pl -li, -luses |
| 07:28.14 | ieatlint | yes, plural is styli, not lii |
| 07:28.16 | kerio | would you guys mind a baconbot? |
| 07:28.28 | ieatlint | only if it offers real bacon |
| 07:28.30 | Shadikka | sorry, I meant that both styluses and stylii are valid. |
| 07:28.35 | Shadikka | I'm being ambiguous, my bad. |
| 07:28.48 | kerio | ieatlint: i'm working on that for v2.0 |
| 07:29.09 | ieatlint | i'm disturbed that the local store here now sells shelf safe bacon |
| 07:30.46 | ieatlint | dr34m: nah, that's a knockoff with convincing graphics |
| 07:30.48 | ieatlint | http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php |
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| 07:30.54 | kerio | behold! |
| 07:31.14 | ieatlint | 11.99EUR for the knockoff, $14.99USD for the name brand... |
| 07:31.15 | ieatlint | shrugs |
| 07:31.41 | ieatlint | BaconBacon: give me bacon |
| 07:31.41 | BaconBacon | BACON! |
| 07:32.12 | dr34m | ok ty |
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| 07:34.33 | rmrfchik | guys, can you install game from here http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=809723&postcount=32 |
| 07:34.41 | rmrfchik | user claims it can't be installed |
| 07:35.21 | ieatlint | http://www.schutzfolien-shop.com/handys/nokia/invisibleshield-nokia-n900-screen/a-6006664/ might be more helpful.. their official online store in germany, 12.90EUR |
| 07:36.19 | ieatlint | rmrfchik: just as a note, it's slightly suspicious to come into an irc channel and ask people to install a random app from an untrusted source :P |
| 07:36.45 | dr34m | cost 16,95 here in .nl :p |
| 07:37.12 | rmrfchik | ieatlint: you can trust me! all I want is to stole all your money. |
| 07:37.41 | rmrfchik | ieatlint: as you don't have a lot of money, you lost a little |
| 07:37.43 | ieatlint | you're wasting your time then :P |
| 07:37.48 | ieatlint | haha, exactly |
| 07:37.50 | rmrfchik | ;) |
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| 07:39.13 | rmrfchik | hrw: ping |
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| 07:40.28 | adalal | hi.. quick question, on then n900 there is a ussd widget. I know the latest firmware can do various USSD codes, but i want a desktop widget that checks the value at intervals.. i remember using that widget, but the only problem was that the way ussd codes were handled on the phone application changed as well. Is there a way to prevent that? |
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| 07:42.26 | rmrfchik | adalal: afaik ussd-widget comes with qussd which handles answers |
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| 07:42.41 | rmrfchik | adalal: I do use ussd-widget with pr1.2 |
| 07:43.02 | hrw | hi |
| 07:43.11 | hrw | rmrfchik: pong |
| 07:43.18 | rmrfchik | hrw: can u check package from http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=809723&postcount=32 |
| 07:43.37 | rmrfchik | hrw: i can install it, user can't |
| 07:43.50 | hrw | I installed second one fine |
| 07:44.03 | rmrfchik | that's good |
| 07:45.10 | adalal | rmrfchik: does it change the way the phone application handles the ussd? |
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| 07:48.46 | rmrfchik | adalal: mmm, seems like. if u do ussd query from phone, it is handled by qussd (whatever it is) |
| 07:49.07 | rmrfchik | it shows answer among with keypad |
| 07:49.22 | adalal | hmm |
| 07:49.25 | adalal | i'll try it again |
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| 07:51.48 | jpinx-eeepc | am I right in thinking that maemo has gone all windows-ish - it can't open a simple text file when it doesn't have a .txt suffix? |
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| 07:52.07 | Shadikka | vim file; problem solved. |
| 07:52.28 | jpinx-eeepc | sheeeesh |
| 07:52.31 | Shadikka | j/k. :) But in all seriousness, that would be a bit weird. |
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| 07:52.39 | jpinx-eeepc | what crap:/ |
| 07:53.19 | adalal | rmrfchik: right, i want to stop qussd from triggering when i try a ussd code on the phone menu! |
| 07:53.33 | jpinx-eeepc | I am trying to make this a usable device while siting on the bus or whatever. I *know* I can vim anyfile |
| 07:53.36 | adalal | rmrfchik: because a few of the responses here are so long, that they dont fit in the one line qussd writes it on |
| 07:55.32 | rmrfchik | adalal: ah, ic. |
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| 07:57.51 | rmrfchik | adalal: ask developer ;) |
| 07:58.20 | adalal | rmrfchik: yea.. will do |
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| 08:08.27 | Psi | anyone know how i would go about getting the mameo widgets into lazarus? currently i only seem to have the default ones |
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| 08:09.42 | Viliny_on_N900 | heya! |
| 08:09.59 | Viliny_on_N900 | quick question: any navigation on the n900 yet? |
| 08:10.13 | rmrfchik | Viliny_on_N900: ovi? |
| 08:10.30 | Viliny_on_N900 | does that do turn by turn? voice? |
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| 08:11.59 | Viliny_on_N900 | could kinda need that today and googling for a bit didn't help too much |
| 08:12.36 | rmrfchik | turn by turn yes, voice no |
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| 08:13.15 | Viliny_on_N900 | ok well thats neat... how? maps is installed but lacks the tbt |
| 08:13.30 | Viliny_on_N900 | trying to browse ovi store atm |
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| 08:14.17 | rmrfchik | Viliny_on_N900: when you have route, there is some icon which show you 1. turn there, 2. turn here, 3. follow, 4. profit |
| 08:14.20 | jacekowski | ovi fail you mean? |
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| 08:14.58 | Viliny_on_N900 | oh ffs, thats not navigation thats printing out instructions :( |
| 08:15.06 | scp1 | lol |
| 08:15.12 | Viliny_on_N900 | i could take the same dump from google maps |
| 08:15.19 | jacekowski | you could |
| 08:15.30 | jacekowski | that's why i use tomtom |
| 08:15.33 | jacekowski | always reliable |
| 08:15.37 | Viliny_on_N900 | so no proper navigation then? |
| 08:15.41 | jacekowski | no |
| 08:15.45 | jacekowski | nothing free |
| 08:15.58 | Viliny_on_N900 | a wee bit weird, whats the costing options? |
| 08:16.05 | jacekowski | and sygic cost as much as cheapest tomtom |
| 08:16.26 | jacekowski | and tomtom is a dedicated device that comes with car mount and everything you need in a car |
| 08:16.31 | jacekowski | and much better maps |
| 08:16.44 | mece | umm.. how do I remove a package from my installation queue or whatever it's called with dpkg? |
| 08:17.12 | rmrfchik | dpkg --remove whatever |
| 08:18.03 | rmrfchik | uses HW navigator. bye, bye ovi ;) |
| 08:18.04 | Viliny_on_N900 | sygic the only option? damn this is bad from nokia |
| 08:18.13 | rmrfchik | Viliny_on_N900: welcome to the club |
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| 08:18.37 | Viliny_on_N900 | thank you, sign me up for 1x jacket |
| 08:19.21 | ruskie | hmm didn't someone package navit for it yet? |
| 08:19.26 | ruskie | iirc that has turn-by-turn |
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| 08:19.38 | soltys | ruskie: there is navit but old version |
| 08:20.22 | ruskie | ahh |
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| 08:20.41 | ruskie | sad but true... let's use a version of debian as base that will die a few months after release :( |
| 08:21.13 | mece | ah got it. |
| 08:21.18 | soltys | ruskie: you can always try to build curent svn version of navit |
| 08:21.22 | mece | "dpkg --clear-selections" FYI |
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| 08:21.34 | ruskie | soltys, well I don't have any need for any such thing |
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| 08:21.42 | soltys | ;) |
| 08:21.45 | ruskie | I think the gps on my n900 was active some 3 or 4 times |
| 08:21.52 | ruskie | I actually prefer just a map and go by that |
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| 08:22.56 | soltys | ruskie: I use gps while cycling but as for now I used my freerunner with tangoGPS just for finding where were I |
| 08:22.58 | ruskie | the only use for a gps I see myself is the "I'm here" point... no extra software to tell me where to go and so |
| 08:23.57 | ruskie | and generally a map is a nice idea since you generally need to look around yourself... and might even see some nice landscape around |
| 08:24.32 | soltys | I think the same ;) |
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| 08:28.40 | koala_man | I like having a That's There point |
| 08:29.40 | merlin1991 | but sometimes one needs the go there not there you stupid twat option |
| 08:30.30 | koala_man | that option keeps trying to kill me |
| 08:30.49 | koala_man | no I don't want to cross a busy highway bridge without sidewalks on foot |
| 08:31.06 | kerio | GPSes are awesome |
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| 08:36.48 | merlin1991 | indeed |
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| 08:42.11 | Viliny_on_N900 | oooh, 70 euros for sygic maps |
| 08:42.31 | rmrfchik | buy navigator ;) |
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| 08:48.28 | inkbottle | Hi, I'm trying to install "screen" from "maemo/tools"; but apt-get install screen yields: "WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated! screen Install these packages without verification [y/N]?" No (of course, I won't install packages signature can't be verified) |
| 08:48.36 | inkbottle | How this can be fixed? |
| 08:49.16 | ilius | inkbottle: don't attend |
| 08:49.58 | inkbottle | ? |
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| 08:56.08 | DocScrutinizer | blarrrgh |
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| 08:58.06 | ilius | inkbottle: that's not an error, and not a problem |
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| 09:01.27 | inkbottle | ilius: It is a problem: packages must be signed; you don't put untrusted stuffs on your computer |
| 09:02.49 | ilius | inkbottle: it must be verified before putting in official repo, then you trust them when you use that repo |
| 09:02.57 | DocScrutinizer | inkbottle: then don't do it |
| 09:03.03 | DocScrutinizer | problem fixed |
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| 09:05.41 | DocScrutinizer | tools repo not really meant to install to N900, and so probably never seen a proper signature key |
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| 09:06.50 | DocScrutinizer | if you don't trust in unsigned packages, then I suggest you build the binaries in your own trusted development environment |
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| 09:10.57 | DocScrutinizer | or, alternatively, install in a chroot and analyze for rogue code using strace and gdb - nah wait those are also from tools repo :-P |
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| 09:23.17 | inkbottle | DocScrutinizer: Sure I don't trust unsigned packages. Bad practice. |
| 09:24.06 | inkbottle | ilius: and putting the word "official"... well |
| 09:24.13 | SpeedEvil | Stuff at nokia repos are probably safe. |
| 09:24.16 | inkbottle | see you later then |
| 09:24.25 | inkbottle | no |
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| 09:25.01 | lcuk2 | andre__, ping |
| 09:25.57 | andre__ | lcuk2, pong |
| 09:26.11 | DocScrutinizer51 | SpeedEvil: it's no more or less safe with a signature. Only thing a sig helps are MITM attacks |
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| 09:26.16 | SpeedEvil | yes |
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| 09:27.33 | DocScrutinizer | anyway seems he left |
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| 09:31.59 | DocScrutinizer | and if he thought about it he'd realize there's simply no public key shipping with N900 that 'd match the tools repo, even when packages there were signed |
| 09:32.22 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 09:34.09 | DocScrutinizer | well, back to my C4 package for DHL... >:-( |
| 09:34.56 | merlin1991 | lol DocScrutinizer |
| 09:35.45 | hrw | is there any doc about doing NMU in maemo extras? |
| 09:36.08 | DocScrutinizer | NMU? |
| 09:36.11 | hrw | soltys: use eCoach for cycling |
| 09:36.17 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: NonMaintainerUpload |
| 09:36.42 | DocScrutinizer | ooh, guess you're sooooo out of luck |
| 09:37.25 | DocScrutinizer | as not even maintainers manage to upload smallest fixes to extras directly |
| 09:37.49 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: by extras I mean extras/testing/devel/whatever/maemo/will/add |
| 09:38.02 | DocScrutinizer | ahh |
| 09:38.07 | soltys | hrw: eCoach ? |
| 09:38.09 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: I have changed apmefo version a lot |
| 09:38.11 | hrw | soltys: yes |
| 09:38.32 | soltys | hrw: never heard of it ;) |
| 09:38.35 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: probably fork and create your own project |
| 09:38.47 | hrw | soltys: so install and try |
| 09:39.00 | soltys | hrw: I'm not at home atm ;) |
| 09:39.04 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: thats other option |
| 09:39.10 | hrw | soltys: so remember to try |
| 09:39.14 | MNZ | hrw, try to submit a patch to the author? |
| 09:39.28 | DocScrutinizer | that's actually the better option, if you really 'chaged a lot' in GUI |
| 09:39.35 | hrw | MNZ: so far author does not answered to my request for full sources |
| 09:39.46 | hrw | MNZ: so far I recreated UI from scratch |
| 09:39.51 | jacekowski | hrw: apt-get source pkgname |
| 09:40.20 | hrw | jacekowski: it is not full source |
| 09:40.29 | jacekowski | it has to |
| 09:40.40 | hrw | jacekowski: apmefo source package contains files generated from *.ui files and they are missing |
| 09:40.43 | DocScrutinizer | hrw: MNZ: probably she's not interested in your GUI changes |
| 09:40.48 | jacekowski | otherwise it wouldn't build |
| 09:41.08 | jacekowski | hmmm |
| 09:41.10 | hrw | jacekowski: it is python - is just needs few copy operations |
| 09:41.31 | DocScrutinizer | MNZ: hrw: so might an arbitrary number of users -> fork, create own project |
| 09:41.45 | hrw | but for fixing UI I needed *.ui files |
| 09:41.46 | jacekowski | forks are evil |
| 09:41.54 | hrw | agree with jacekowski |
| 09:42.20 | DocScrutinizer | overriding original author on own project also is evil |
| 09:42.46 | hrw | thats why so far I do not made any releases |
| 09:43.56 | DocScrutinizer | so if she doesn't answer - your only chance and fair enough action is to fork, call it apmefo-II and maintain the new project by your own |
| 09:44.18 | jacekowski | send her a patch |
| 09:44.18 | hrw | sure |
| 09:44.27 | hrw | will strt from patches |
| 09:44.34 | jacekowski | who is she anyways? |
| 09:44.47 | jacekowski | and what is apmefo doing? |
| 09:45.06 | DocScrutinizer | apmefo is the better catorise |
| 09:45.06 | hrw | jacekowski: it is tool to reorgranize list of applications into folders |
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| 09:45.22 | jacekowski | like catorise? |
| 09:45.35 | hrw | DocScrutinizer: its not better. it is other |
| 09:45.35 | DocScrutinizer | use defined |
| 09:45.50 | soltys | Is there a chance for navit package upgrade in feed? If the answer is no, how can I build it myself without sdk (I don't have debian and enough space for VM images) |
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| 09:46.41 | jacekowski | you can' |
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| 09:46.56 | jacekowski | can't |
| 09:47.01 | DocScrutinizer | while catorise it pizza quattro stagnioni, apmefo is pizza build to order |
| 09:47.03 | Khertan_Home | Morning |
| 09:47.12 | soltys | it sux |
| 09:47.36 | jacekowski | but you can speak to me nicely and i can give you access to my buildserver |
| 09:48.10 | DocScrutinizer | :-P |
| 09:48.12 | jacekowski | just not now |
| 09:48.23 | DocScrutinizer | :-P :oD |
| 09:48.23 | soltys | jacekowski: it would be great ;) |
| 09:48.49 | jacekowski | in about an hour |
| 09:48.58 | soltys | ok, np |
| 09:49.03 | jacekowski | now i'm on 2g connection |
| 09:49.27 | jacekowski | and ad ssh is lagging to much to be useful |
| 09:50.05 | Duckboot | jacekowski: ssh -C ? |
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| 09:52.18 | jacekowski | nah |
| 09:52.33 | jacekowski | it's 5s lag that is a problem |
| 09:52.59 | DocScrutinizer | 5s is actually not bad :-D (for 2G) |
| 09:53.37 | jacekowski | and i can't hold phone properly because signal drops |
| 09:53.51 | DocScrutinizer | yeah a PITA |
| 09:54.30 | DocScrutinizer | RF engineers never tested the most common usecase for N900 |
| 09:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | it's (once again) optimized for phone usage |
| 09:55.01 | DocScrutinizer | so nobody gonna tell me "it's no phone" |
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| 09:56.47 | jacekowski | and they have 30 minutes delay here |
| 09:57.27 | DocScrutinizer | err who's "they"? the men in the black helis? |
| 09:58.05 | jacekowski | hospital |
| 09:58.10 | DocScrutinizer | eeew |
| 09:58.16 | jacekowski | i had appointment for 10:40 |
| 10:00.01 | jacekowski | i hope battery will last long enough |
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| 10:04.25 | kerio | yeah, bad coverage really *drains* your battery |
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| 10:09.18 | jacktheripper | how could I get alpha blending into a game I'm making for maemo if the screen is 16bit ? |
| 10:09.26 | kerio | YUV |
| 10:11.26 | jacktheripper | there's still no YUV support in photoshop, and GIMP doesn't have those layer blending options I'm using in my textures :/ |
| 10:12.05 | lcuk2 | like the other day, yuv is a video mode not the picture format |
| 10:12.37 | lcuk2 | and you would have to use liqbase or write your own mechanism to write to that mode |
| 10:14.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | liqbase \o/ |
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| 10:15.50 | DocScrutinizer51 | lo lcuk2 - where's lcuk? |
| 10:16.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | no bacon? |
| 10:16.19 | BaconBacon | BACON! |
| 10:16.46 | kerio | thanks BaconBacon |
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| 10:17.16 | rmrfchik | jacktheripper: how you draw textures? x11/sdl/whatever? |
| 10:17.34 | jacktheripper | rmrfchik: pygame, so probably SDL |
| 10:18.35 | rmrfchik | i would start to check sdl/opengl to use alpha. n900 supports opengl (subset) |
| 10:18.55 | merlin1991 | what subset does the n900 support again? es2? |
| 10:19.40 | rmrfchik | google says ES 2.0 |
| 10:20.58 | jacktheripper | I don't think an alpha channel would work at 16bits. Btw, it's 2D sprites, might be different. |
| 10:21.02 | DocScrutinizer51 | sounds familiar |
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| 10:25.08 | merlin1991 | according to wiki.maemo.org we have hw accelerated opengl es 1.1 and 2.0 |
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| 10:30.07 | pupnik | you can impliment 1-bit alpha nicely in 16 bits, leaving 5/5/5 for rgb |
| 10:30.35 | lcuk | pupnik, its more the banding (which isnt so bad) |
| 10:31.08 | pupnik | yeah, i really prefer no-banding |
| 10:31.30 | pupnik | but if the speed is too low, sometimes 16-bit is a good compromise |
| 10:33.37 | lcuk | indeed |
| 10:33.59 | lcuk | i used to run my amiga a1200 in greyscale |
| 10:34.05 | pupnik | :) |
| 10:34.13 | lcuk | i prefered smoothness |
| 10:34.18 | pupnik | kind of boggles my mind how much better yuv looks with the same amt of data |
| 10:34.25 | lcuk | its less data |
| 10:34.35 | pupnik | 12 bits? |
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| 10:34.58 | lcuk | full resolution greyscale, half resolution colour wash |
| 10:35.03 | jacktheripper | TGA alpha channels work in 16bits! |
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| 10:35.56 | pupnik_ | TGA? |
| 10:36.16 | jacktheripper | TARGA |
| 10:36.19 | jacktheripper | the file format |
| 10:36.44 | pupnik_ | you old man |
| 10:37.26 | jacktheripper | old ? why ? it's used in most games, so I thought I might try it, and it worked. |
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| 10:38.07 | pupnik_ | nice |
| 10:38.27 | pupnik_ | "The TGA file format was originally defined and specified by AT&T EPICenter with feedback from Island Graphics Inc in 1984" |
| 10:38.42 | jacktheripper | lol, it's still used until today :P |
| 10:39.13 | pupnik_ | cool |
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| 10:46.32 | lcuk | pupnik_, the format is as valid today as it was then |
| 10:46.47 | lcuk | I believe the binary 1 was invented in 1937 |
| 10:46.54 | lcuk | before then, people had to make do with just 0's |
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| 10:49.05 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | morning - quick questio if anyone knows the answer. is there any way to view the full maemo file system from within easydebian ? |
| 10:49.25 | lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext], its a chroot, it changes the root system |
| 10:49.49 | lcuk | afaik, you would have to potentially try to remount it (and maybe only as readonly) but don't quote me on that |
| 10:49.57 | lcuk | systems within systems within systems make my head explode |
| 10:50.03 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | lol |
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| 10:51.38 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | thanks lcuk. how would I remount maemo within ed's chroot? it is to make fiel management easier using pcmanfm |
| 10:52.17 | lcuk | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext], i really don't know |
| 10:52.30 | lcuk | others may chime in |
| 10:52.37 | lcuk | but my head already exploded |
| 10:53.09 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | np. thanks for trying at least :) where's qole when you need him! |
| 10:53.20 | lcuk | probably sleeping |
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| 11:12.15 | DocScrutinizer51 | dark: you need to bindmount / of outer sistem to MyHostRoot/ inside the changeroot |
| 11:12.51 | DocScrutinizer51 | quite obviously rhis needs to be done from *outside* the chroot |
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| 11:20.32 | MohammadAG51 | does maemo 4 support pyqt? |
| 11:23.38 | DocScrutinizer | does maemo5 support pyqt? :-P |
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| 11:46.42 | alteron | Hi. I do not get the save attachment option in the menu even tho the mail does contain an attachmen (is marked with clip too). How do I save it then? |
| 11:47.22 | pupnik_ | sounds like a bug alteron |
| 11:48.23 | alteron | yes. i guess im the only one who cant do it. |
| 11:49.10 | pupnik_ | does it happen with all email attachments? |
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| 11:49.50 | alteron | nno |
| 11:50.18 | zap | How I'm expected to receive karma on a package to push it from testing into extras? Do I have to glue ad banners all over the city? |
| 11:50.32 | lcuk | zap |
| 11:50.34 | lcuk | yes actually |
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| 11:50.37 | pupnik_ | by people voting for the package |
| 11:50.38 | lcuk | talk about it |
| 11:50.45 | lcuk | push people towards it |
| 11:50.47 | lcuk | get it tested |
| 11:50.56 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 11:51.00 | lcuk | have pride in your package |
| 11:51.04 | lcuk | :) |
| 11:51.21 | lcuk | and perhaps start a tshirt campaign |
| 11:51.35 | lcuk | "i tested zap's package, did you?" |
| 11:51.54 | lcuk | but until people know what it is, how should they have motivation to test it |
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| 11:52.30 | alterego | Usually an [ANNOUCEMENT] thread on tmo is a good start. |
| 11:52.42 | alterego | Then just beg friends and family to test it :) |
| 11:52.50 | lcuk | not beg |
| 11:52.56 | alteron | damn |
| 11:52.57 | alterego | I beg |
| 11:52.57 | lcuk | :) |
| 11:54.10 | lcuk | speaking of all this |
| 11:54.17 | lcuk | I uploaded a new version of liqflow to -testing |
| 11:54.18 | lcuk | http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/liqflow/0.1.7/ |
| 11:54.34 | lcuk | it doesnt change anything visually, but it interacts with vlads live wallpapers better |
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| 11:54.49 | lcuk | and uses the new library which is all sorted |
| 11:54.52 | lcuk | so if people can test :P |
| 11:55.14 | alteron | lcuk spam |
| 11:56.18 | ville | Howdy, right now I am looking into getting a new phone and it seems the only maemo/meego out is n900? Also what does the future of the device look like as far as OS updates to maemo and even possibly upgrading it to run meego? |
| 11:56.52 | alterego | Think there'd be much use for creating multiple logs simultaneously in a GPS app? |
| 11:58.01 | alterego | Meh, I don't care, I'll add it later if I get bored :) |
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| 12:00.22 | merlin1991 | lcuk are you using some really really weird system to version your package, or did the changes section go nuts? http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqflow/ |
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| 12:01.47 | lcuk | merlin1991, LOL! |
| 12:01.49 | lcuk | http://github.com/lcuk/liqbase-playground/blob/master/sub_published/liqflow/debian/changelog |
| 12:01.52 | lcuk | theres the changelog |
| 12:01.57 | lcuk | I think the website went nuts |
| 12:01.59 | lcuk | X-Fade, |
| 12:02.01 | lcuk | any comment |
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| 12:02.06 | kaie | is "witter" working reliably for you? isn't for me. (n900). |
| 12:02.33 | merlin1991 | I'm using the stable verision and it is working reliably for me, what exactly is going wrong for you? |
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| 12:03.44 | lcuk | merlin1991, nothing wrong |
| 12:03.50 | lcuk | it just needs all the -testing ticks done |
| 12:04.04 | lcuk | and for livewp it did not pause |
| 12:04.16 | lcuk | when you changed desktops - there is a livewp api that should be followed |
| 12:04.20 | lcuk | which I slotted in |
| 12:04.23 | merlin1991 | lcuk I talked to kaie there ;) |
| 12:04.25 | kaie | merlin1991, I'm using the version that is offered from within app manager. I start it, it starts it's home screen (the new interface, not showing tweets, but showing this bubble button). It seems to load from the net (rotating thing in top bar). If I click the bubble, n900 says "witter not responding, close it?" |
| 12:04.28 | lcuk | doh! |
| 12:04.58 | merlin1991 | btw push to your git repo, the changelog on git only goes to 0.16 |
| 12:06.00 | merlin1991 | kaie did you enable extras-testing or extras-devel? |
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| 12:06.38 | kaie | merlin1991, yes I have extras-devel |
| 12:07.14 | merlin1991 | there you go, dwould the developer from witter uploads every new stop to devel, as it's meant to be a developing repo, you can't trust the versions from there |
| 12:07.16 | merlin1991 | disable devel |
| 12:07.22 | merlin1991 | uninstall witter |
| 12:07.24 | merlin1991 | reinstall |
| 12:07.32 | merlin1991 | and don't update as long as you have devel enabled again |
| 12:07.40 | kaie | ok I 'll try thans |
| 12:08.06 | kaie | usually had good experience with apps from -devel, didn't know that witter is available as non-devel |
| 12:08.19 | merlin1991 | witter goes up to extras |
| 12:08.22 | X-Fade | lcuk: You changed multiple version in within a minute. There is too little resolution to sort on timestamp. |
| 12:08.41 | lcuk | ! |
| 12:08.44 | lcuk | :$ |
| 12:08.45 | merlin1991 | and is one of the few apps that uses the devel -> testing -> extras system the real way :) |
| 12:08.45 | lcuk | ok |
| 12:09.07 | lcuk | X-Fade, i thought it would sort in the order it sorts on normally? |
| 12:09.10 | lcuk | ie version |
| 12:09.11 | merlin1991 | devel for possibly unstable new stuff, testing for assumingly stable stuff, and extras for truly stable stuff |
| 12:09.25 | kaie | makes sense, thanks |
| 12:09.32 | X-Fade | lcuk: You can't sort on version. |
| 12:09.43 | X-Fade | lcuk: No database will sort on debian versioning ;) |
| 12:09.56 | lcuk | shame, ok understood |
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| 12:10.09 | lcuk | so it doesnt just read the latest changelog then |
| 12:10.15 | lcuk | and those records are from versions pushed |
| 12:10.18 | X-Fade | lcuk: So the timestamp sort usually does the trick. |
| 12:10.36 | X-Fade | lcuk: Unless you are really going release crazy. |
| 12:10.45 | lcuk | "<X-Fade> lcuk: You changed multiple version in within a minute" << this makes me sound like frals or noobmonk3y |
| 12:10.57 | merlin1991 | :) |
| 12:10.58 | X-Fade | lcuk: And that is usually a sign that you didn't think things through enough :) |
| 12:11.05 | lcuk | X-Fade, frustrated at simple packaging mehs! |
| 12:11.09 | lcuk | ;) |
| 12:11.12 | pekuja | is it possible to set firefox as the default browser somehow? |
| 12:11.16 | merlin1991 | but why is version 0.1.2 on top? |
| 12:11.22 | merlin1991 | that timestamp is defenitely older :) |
| 12:11.52 | X-Fade | merlin1991: How is 11 lower than 7 ? |
| 12:11.57 | merlin1991 | hm wait nope |
| 12:11.58 | merlin1991 | wtf |
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| 12:12.23 | X-Fade | merlin1991: That is another case of developer not using dch, but typing the changelog manually ;) |
| 12:12.58 | merlin1991 | I guess when I finally start packaging I should use dch then :) |
| 12:13.46 | lcuk | X-Fade, i got out of that habit ages ago when me and dch had different ideas about what time it was |
| 12:13.50 | X-Fade | Or make sure that you don't count backwards or think you are in the future :) |
| 12:13.54 | lcuk | but I will resume it |
| 12:14.06 | kaie | pekuja, install browser-switchboard |
| 12:14.54 | lcuk | X-Fade, so the displayed changes section is actually multiple records taken from the head when I uploaded it the first time |
| 12:15.16 | lcuk | because I always thought it would scan the changelog as discovered in the package I am looking at |
| 12:16.11 | pekuja | kale: thanks :-) |
| 12:16.18 | X-Fade | lcuk: It stores each entry as a separate entry in the db. |
| 12:16.33 | X-Fade | lcuk: So each time it looks for new entries. |
| 12:16.50 | zap | Anybody wants to test bash3 for fremantle? :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/bash3/3.2-0maemo9/ |
| 12:17.11 | lcuk | X-Fade, understood, shall be more careful with it \o |
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| 12:20.18 | kaie | stable witter works for me, thx. I was totally falsely assuming that witter was broken because of missing oath support. but stable version supports oauth and works fine... |
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| 12:23.59 | merlin1991 | ~tmo |
| 12:23.59 | infobot | i heard tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or trolls, morons, oxes |
| 12:24.14 | merlin1991 | ah yeah, trolls, morons, oxes, that was it :) |
| 12:24.56 | Duckboot | More like Trolls, Morons and Oxymorons |
| 12:26.32 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, can you please change that to a better description |
| 12:26.34 | lcuk | come on |
| 12:26.55 | DocScrutinizer51 | lcuk: sorry? |
| 12:27.07 | lcuk | you normally setup the ~ things dont you? |
| 12:27.24 | DocScrutinizer51 | errr wut? |
| 12:27.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | what's youre problem, Sire? |
| 12:28.16 | X-Fade | lcuk: anyone can do that? |
| 12:28.27 | lcuk | IDK, can they? |
| 12:28.29 | DocScrutinizer51 | usually yes |
| 12:28.35 | lcuk | i always see DocScrutinizer51 playing with them |
| 12:28.42 | lcuk | the one for tmo is an insult |
| 12:29.04 | DocScrutinizer51 | It seems absolutyely correct to me |
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| 12:29.37 | lcuk | these things are what you make them of course |
| 12:29.47 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~factinfo tmo |
| 12:29.47 | infobot | tmo -- created by Mece <~mece@dsl-tkubrasgw1-fe3fdc00-44.dhcp.inet.fi> at Mon Jun 14 16:09:21 2010 (85 days); last modified at Tue Jun 15 14:18:21 2010 by DocScrutinizer2!~jr@openmoko/engineers/joerg; it has been requested 7 times, last by merlin1991, 5m 48s ago. |
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| 12:29.57 | lcuk | ahh! |
| 12:30.16 | lcuk | was right :P |
| 12:30.33 | merlin1991 | argh highlight for nothing |
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| 12:31.01 | RST38h | moo punks |
| 12:31.25 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, forget tmo |
| 12:31.25 | infobot | MohammadAG51: i forgot tmo |
| 12:31.38 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org |
| 12:31.38 | infobot | okay, MohammadAG51 |
| 12:31.42 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, tmo |
| 12:31.42 | infobot | methinks tmo is http://talk.maemo.org |
| 12:32.12 | RST38h | infobot, forget everything, dance |
| 12:32.12 | infobot | i didn't have anything called 'everything, dance' to forget, RST38h |
| 12:32.14 | zap | RST38h: EHLO |
| 12:32.19 | DocScrutinizer51 | ~tmo is also too much off-topic |
| 12:32.19 | infobot | DocScrutinizer51: okay |
| 12:32.20 | RST38h | zap: hey |
| 12:32.31 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, tmo |
| 12:32.31 | infobot | rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic |
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| 12:32.40 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, bmo |
| 12:32.50 | MohammadAG51 | infobot, bmo is http://bugs.maemo.org |
| 12:32.50 | infobot | okay, MohammadAG51 |
| 12:33.15 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | docscrutiniser51 - sorry just spotted your reply. do you have a step by step guide? |
| 12:33.52 | DocScrutinizer51 | sorry nope, as I got no ED installed |
| 12:34.41 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | ah ok. |
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| 12:35.55 | DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: something along the path: mkdir /easydeb/MyHostRoot; mount -bind / /easydeb/MyHostRoot; chroot /easydeb |
| 12:36.25 | merlin1991 | waaah chroot crazyness |
| 12:36.28 | DocScrutinizer | (anybody finding syntax errors may keep them free of charge |
| 12:36.29 | DocScrutinizer | ) |
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| 12:37.49 | zap | I found 2, thanks |
| 12:38.38 | lcuk | thanks DocScrutinizer :) a little better, but many people in here also frequent tmo |
| 12:39.52 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | DocScrutiniser would this be in maemo console or the easydeb console? |
| 12:39.54 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: no, a lot of tmo users dare to come here :-P |
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| 12:40.28 | DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: this obviously can not work from within easydebian |
| 12:40.55 | DocScrutinizer | needs to be done from host system level, prior to starting ED chroot |
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| 12:42.14 | lcuk | infobot, bacon |
| 12:42.14 | infobot | from memory, bacon is a filling substance which will make you even fatter than you already are... Take my advice, bacon is a food for the gods or for underweight models such as that McBeal chick... |
| 12:42.14 | BaconBacon | BACON! |
| 12:42.29 | DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: the idea and main purpose of a chroot is to hide away large parts of the host system. So there's no way the chroot can extend the own rights |
| 12:42.53 | *** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 12:42.59 | *** mode/#maemo [+b BaconBacon!*@*] by DocScrutinizer |
| 12:43.00 | *** kick/#maemo [BaconBacon!~halley@openmoko/engineers/joerg] by DocScrutinizer (BaconBacon) |
| 12:43.08 | *** mode/#maemo [-o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ |
| 12:43.23 | crashanddie | fuck me Doc, you just blew my ears out |
| 12:43.27 | alterego | Heh |
| 12:43.40 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | i appreciate you trying to get your head around this |
| 12:44.12 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: autobots not welcome |
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| 12:44.38 | RST38h | YOU HAVE KILLED BACON! AAAAAaaa... |
| 12:45.59 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, what about the evil decepticons? |
| 12:46.15 | DocScrutinizer | lcuk: ?? |
| 12:46.28 | niko | .14 |
| 12:46.44 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: it's one message every 5 minutes at most |
| 12:47.08 | kerio | :( |
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| 12:47.44 | DocScrutinizer | bots have to be announced and agreed upon with chan mod or owner (general IRC policy) |
| 12:47.46 | lcuk | DocScrutinizer, lrn2Transformers |
| 12:48.10 | lcuk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autobot |
| 12:48.53 | kerio | DocScrutinizer: can my bot stay here? |
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| 12:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | I don't see the benefit. If there's a random number of users opting in favour of it anyway, I'm the last one to disagree |
| 12:49.57 | kerio | lcuk? |
| 12:50.22 | lcuk | as much as i like bacon i agree with doc here :P |
| 12:50.26 | kerio | :( |
| 12:50.35 | lcuk | its good for amusement but gets old too quickly for normal conversation |
| 12:50.48 | Viliny_on_N900 | oh im still here |
| 12:51.32 | crashanddie | "Hey, I promise, I'm really OK. The guy in my head will tell you the same." |
| 12:51.45 | merlin1991 | :D |
| 12:51.49 | merlin1991 | bye |
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| 13:04.15 | GAN900 | Morning, day crew. |
| 13:04.51 | GAN900 | I'm requesting a favor and asking everybody to vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=810296 |
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| 13:07.16 | crashanddie | GAN900: done |
| 13:09.28 | nid0 | ditto |
| 13:09.41 | DocScrutinizer51 | lo GAN900 |
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| 13:10.44 | Khertan_Home | Hi guys |
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| 13:13.30 | Khertan_Home | VS qstyleditemdelegate : 0-1 |
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| 13:14.47 | asusa7uasus | hi |
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| 13:15.00 | asusa7uasus | root Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device |
| 13:15.32 | tank-man | :) |
| 13:15.58 | asusa7uasus | kto to znaet russian??? vvoju root v terminale a mne pishet Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device |
| 13:16.10 | crashanddie | asusa7uasus: only English |
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| 13:16.39 | crashanddie | asusa7uasus: but to answer your question, no, you don't need to enable RD mode. Just install the package called "gainroot" |
| 13:17.03 | crashanddie | asusa7uasus: after installing the gainroot package, you'll be able to get root by typing `root' or `sudo gainroot' |
| 13:17.12 | asusa7uasus | At the command root in the terminal wrote Enable RD Mode if you want to break your device |
| 13:17.46 | asusa7uasus | i install package gainroot |
| 13:19.06 | rmrfchik | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7772 WONTFIX |
| 13:19.07 | povbot | Bug 7772: Black screen in sunlight for incoming/outgoing call and T&K unlock not working |
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| 13:19.19 | rmrfchik | damn |
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| 13:20.54 | rmrfchik | my case in #10778 (which is marked is duplicate of #7772) isn't related to sunlight |
| 13:25.08 | jacekowski | i'm back |
| 13:25.17 | jacekowski | soltys: |
| 13:25.28 | soltys | jacekowski: ? |
| 13:25.32 | soltys | ;) |
| 13:25.42 | asusa7uasus | At the command root in the terminal wrote Enable RD Mode if you want to break your devic ??/ |
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| 13:25.55 | jacekowski | soltys: well, i can give you that scratchbox account at mine |
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| 13:27.26 | dr34m | is there a working vlc for n900 out ? |
| 13:27.35 | soltys | jacekowski: that would be nice |
| 13:28.21 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | Docscrutiniser it worked a charm. First I started easydebian mounted to /.debian. Then mounted the hostroot from maemo console |
| 13:28.25 | jacekowski | so what do you propose as password and username |
| 13:29.08 | DocScrutinizer | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext]: fine |
| 13:29.36 | soltys | jacekowski: look at msg |
| 13:29.38 | GAN900 | crashanddie, rootsh. |
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| 13:29.49 | crashanddie | GAN900: eh? |
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| 13:30.58 | [DarkGUNMAN-Ext] | thank you for your help :) |
| 13:31.04 | DocScrutinizer | crashanddie: the package is caled rootsh |
| 13:31.12 | crashanddie | ah |
| 13:31.20 | crashanddie | well, what do I know, eh? |
| 13:31.28 | crashanddie | You should've all learned to speak russian :P |
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| 13:38.18 | jacekowski | soltys: ok |
| 13:38.20 | jacekowski | soltys: done |
| 13:38.44 | jacekowski | that's fresh scratchbox installation without nokia binaries |
| 13:38.51 | jacekowski | In order to obtain Nokia-closed binaries, visit |
| 13:38.51 | jacekowski | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php to accept the End User |
| 13:38.51 | jacekowski | License Agreement. You will be given a token to access the Nokia |
| 13:38.51 | jacekowski | binaries repository with further instructions. |
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| 13:40.05 | soltys | jacekowski: ok, thanks but address/port of machine would be also helpfull ;) |
| 13:41.03 | jacekowski | jacekowski.org |
| 13:41.10 | jacekowski | port 22 |
| 13:41.31 | soltys | ok, will check it when I get back home |
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| 13:51.07 | peb | Hi folks, how do you import *.ics files into N900 cal? I'm getting errors with *.ics files from evolution :-( |
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| 13:58.34 | alterego | contemplates implementing GPX logging. |
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| 14:05.56 | SpeedEvil | alterego: See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dilution_of_precision_%28GPS%29 |
| 14:06.22 | SpeedEvil | I need to poke the gpxrecorder widget thingy as he's miscomputing it by an order of magnitude. |
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| 14:07.23 | alterego | SpeedEvil: why? I already know about DOP :P |
| 14:10.01 | alterego | SpeedEvil: oh, this is GPX logging in my GPS app .. |
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| 14:15.07 | SpeedEvil | ah - k |
| 14:15.14 | SpeedEvil | what does this GPS app do? |
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| 14:21.07 | alterego | SpeedEvil: tells you your location and heading? :P |
| 14:21.10 | luke-jr | alterego: get anywhere with my GPS code? :P |
| 14:21.36 | alterego | luke-jr: I'd be interested in testing it on MeeGo, but I still had to implement my own NMEA serializer. |
| 14:21.37 | jcrawford | can i ask pymaemo questions here? |
| 14:22.02 | luke-jr | alterego: well, I'm hoping you can fix my NMEA serialization :P |
| 14:22.17 | alterego | Oh, what seems to be the problem? |
| 14:22.24 | SpeedEvil | alterego: Ah - I was idly wondering about a GPS related app. |
| 14:22.39 | luke-jr | gpsd doesn't show horiz/vert accuracy, and flickers the altitude on and off |
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| 14:22.59 | alterego | Hmm, |
| 14:22.59 | SpeedEvil | I want to press trhe headset buttom, take a pic, note its GPS position, take a voice note while the headset button remains pressed. |
| 14:23.35 | alterego | luke-jr: so you're injecting your output into gpsd? |
| 14:23.38 | luke-jr | SpeedEvil: and speech recog your note to a comment? |
| 14:23.43 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: Ideally |
| 14:23.48 | SpeedEvil | luke-jr: But meh. |
| 14:23.51 | luke-jr | alterego: gps3.c creates a pty with NMEA, which gpsd can use |
| 14:24.15 | alterego | luke-jr: right. |
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| 14:24.36 | alterego | Then what do you use as a client? |
| 14:25.04 | alterego | These are the sentences I support: http://pastie.org/1145876 |
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| 14:25.40 | alterego | It's the same subset that SiRF equipment is spec'd to use. |
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| 14:27.56 | luke-jr | alterego: cgps |
| 14:28.15 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.206369805484&lon=-3.1311035154996&zoom=16 - what I want to use it for - photos |
| 14:29.06 | alterego | luke-jr: what format do your h/v-dop numbers go out as? |
| 14:29.08 | Khertan_Home | hum ... how to take screenshot in portrait mode |
| 14:29.15 | Khertan_Home | no acces to the status menu |
| 14:29.29 | alterego | Khertan_Home: ssh? :) |
| 14:29.32 | Khertan_Home | and if i open the keyboard ... it s coming back to landscape |
| 14:29.53 | Khertan_Home | alterego, hum ... ok ... let s go with my python dbus scripting :) |
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| 14:33.40 | luke-jr | alterego: eh? |
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| 14:35.27 | MohammadAG | hmm, how do I read/write to gconf from PyQt |
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| 14:37.23 | alterego | MohammadAG: use the gconf module? |
| 14:37.34 | alterego | MohammadAG: nothing to do with PyQt .. |
| 14:37.43 | MohammadAG | alterego, importing it would be the easiest step :P |
| 14:38.11 | MohammadAG | I want the app detect a first run, if it's a first run display a mini tutorial |
| 14:38.33 | MohammadAG | the second part I guess can be done with some if/else-s |
| 14:38.35 | alterego | empty flag file is the most common |
| 14:38.53 | alterego | touch ~/.my_app_has_run |
| 14:39.02 | alterego | And check to see if it exists when you start up. |
| 14:39.25 | MohammadAG | how, other than using [ -f ] in bash |
| 14:39.41 | alterego | I thought you were using Python |
| 14:39.58 | MohammadAG | yes, by in bash I meant os.popen :P |
| 14:40.12 | alterego | os.path.isfile() |
| 14:40.14 | alterego | I think |
| 14:40.17 | alterego | Something like that. |
| 14:40.43 | alterego | And to create the file, you can just use sys.exec('touch ~/.myfile') |
| 14:40.46 | alterego | or whatever it is. |
| 14:41.42 | alterego | Hrm, next to implement way points. |
| 14:42.06 | kerio | Khertan_Home: hmm |
| 14:42.21 | kerio | open the keyboard enough to push ctrl+shift+p but not enough to register it as open :D |
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| 14:42.42 | Khertan_Home | kerio, hum ... i use a timed py script :) |
| 14:42.45 | Khertan_Home | easier |
| 14:43.01 | kerio | sleep 10 && screenshot was too hard? |
| 14:43.10 | Khertan_Home | ? |
| 14:43.22 | Khertan_Home | there is a command for that ? |
| 14:43.38 | alterego | Hahah |
| 14:44.01 | dneary | Jaffa, Ping |
| 14:44.04 | chem|st | :) |
| 14:44.08 | kerio | there's probably a command for that |
| 14:44.17 | dneary | Jaffa, I see you picked up on the same thing as me re. architects |
| 14:44.45 | chem|st | kerio: the kbd should be offline if not pulled out far enough to trigger the magnet switch |
| 14:44.53 | kerio | are you sure? |
| 14:47.09 | chem|st | =True |
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| 14:47.51 | Khertan_Home | http://khertan.net/_detail/khweeteur_landscape.png?id=khweeteur |
| 14:48.00 | alterego | brb# |
| 14:48.06 | Khertan_Home | http://khertan.net/_media/khweeteur_portrait.png?w=240 |
| 14:48.17 | Khertan_Home | the next release of Khweeteur |
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| 14:53.05 | dneary | chem|st, I was thinking - you might need to improve your candidate declaration a bit... :) |
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| 14:59.39 | chem|st | dneary: uhmm wtf... |
| 14:59.59 | dneary | chem|st, Or not, up to you... |
| 15:00.24 | dneary | I saw "I am in if and only if the empty spaces get filled by at least 2 former or active council members.\n\nConsider this as a nominee." |
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| 15:00.45 | dneary | I thought you might want to say a little more about why you think you'd be good for the council |
| 15:04.45 | GAN900 | Round 3, appologies for the spam, but please vote here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=810296 |
| 15:04.59 | GAN900 | If you don't have a Talk account, get one and vote. |
| 15:06.23 | rmrfchik | does any1 here host project on garage? need help with git |
| 15:06.58 | Weiss_ | rmrfchik: with Git in general, or just garage? I can help if it's the former |
| 15:07.03 | jacekowski | i can help you with git |
| 15:07.06 | jacekowski | but not garage |
| 15:07.19 | lcuk | GAN900, could you at least link to the thread please |
| 15:07.25 | lcuk | rather than a post in the thread |
| 15:08.27 | rmrfchik | Weiss_: dunno. I'm new with git. I get "error 22" on push. With GIT_CURL_VERBOSE=1 I see HTTP/1.1 401 Authorization Required |
| 15:08.46 | rmrfchik | Weiss_: I have ~/.netrc with my login/password as https://garage.maemo.org/scm/?group_id=1852 says |
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| 15:08.55 | jacekowski | hmm, strange |
| 15:09.01 | jacekowski | git should ask you for password in that case |
| 15:09.10 | rmrfchik | it didn't |
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| 15:10.20 | rmrfchik | aha... I have ~/.gitconfig with username set |
| 15:10.40 | rmrfchik | no help. |
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| 15:11.37 | rmrfchik | ÈÍÍ, I see auth basic in log |
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| 15:13.06 | rmrfchik | my fault, wrong password. |
| 15:13.08 | rmrfchik | ;) |
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| 15:14.01 | chem|st | dneary: better? |
| 15:14.33 | dneary | chem|st, What's more important: are you happy with it? |
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| 15:17.01 | GAN900 | lcuk, sorry, stupid Talk php. |
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| 15:17.56 | lcuk | GAN900, its no problem, but each time you mention that i wonder whether you want to vote up the post itself rather than having people get involved in the thread |
| 15:18.10 | GAN900 | lcuk, yes, I get that. |
| 15:18.31 | rmrfchik | hrw: if you do care, vexed is hosted on garage now |
| 15:18.31 | lcuk | so people should be voting and commenting on the whole thread about Multitasking on Maemo ;) http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=61869 |
| 15:19.12 | GAN900 | It's incredible the number of ways to link to threads and posts. |
| 15:19.27 | lcuk | yeah |
| 15:19.34 | lcuk | the worst is when it does that centred thing |
| 15:19.40 | lcuk | knocks off the formatting |
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| 15:27.32 | dneary | lcuk: Are you going to accept your nomination, do you think? |
| 15:27.45 | dneary | (you have another few hours, but I'm not going to be around all evening...) |
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| 15:32.49 | tobis87 | Best of all comments I found so far on the N900, Note: please do not whine, whole thing is still a temp hack. (/usr/sbin/umountfs) :-D |
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| 15:37.53 | Jaffa | dneary: Indeed! |
| 15:38.16 | dneary | Jaffa, As expected, nominations are coming in thick & fast on the last day |
| 15:38.35 | Jaffa | dneary: Responding to emails on a Blackberry is shit for good netiquette though. I hate roaming (wish there was something like JoikuSpot for the BB) |
| 15:38.36 | dneary | I think that the nomination period need only be open for 2 days, if we could guarantee that everyone knew about it |
| 15:40.15 | BCMM | tobis87: presumably, they mean maemo... |
| 15:40.20 | Jaffa | GAN900: There's a bookmarklet in the Maemo_Weekly_News wiki page to turn a forum.meego.com or talk.maemo.org URL for a post into a thread link |
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| 15:41.22 | lcuk | dneary, i don't see it as a nomination |
| 15:41.25 | lcuk | anyone can shout names |
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| 15:42.04 | dneary | lcuk: You got an answer to your question |
| 15:42.15 | dneary | lcuk: Have you seen it yet? |
| 15:42.17 | lcuk | hasnt checked g in a few mins |
| 15:42.34 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: 9.8+-3m/s^2. |
| 15:42.35 | tobis87 | BCMM: And the file is dated 2006, a long time for a temp hack... |
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| 15:45.29 | BCMM | the worst thing about multitasking is lack of priority, imho |
| 15:46.05 | BCMM | specifically, i think it would be nice if HAM ran apt-whatever nice |
| 15:47.01 | tobis87 | tracker and thumbnail are even worse |
| 15:50.32 | Jaffa | starts thinking of his votes; timsamoff, w00t_ and sjgadsby probably come above a self-vote :) |
| 15:50.49 | GAN900 | Jaffa, that's helpful. |
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| 15:51.11 | w00t_ | hasn't a clue who to vote for yet, this time |
| 15:51.18 | w00t_ | unlike last election, where it was fairly clear cut for me |
| 15:51.57 | Jaffa | w00t_: Yourself |
| 15:52.15 | Jaffa | w00t_: Then others, until you get to people you hate ;-) |
| 15:52.32 | w00t_ | andrea is a possible.. |
| 15:53.22 | kerio | hmm... the media player sometimes stops playing in the middle of the song |
| 15:53.28 | kerio | and goes back to 00:00 |
| 15:53.40 | SpeedEvil | Someone mentioned that I was eligable - is there any way of removing me from the list - I have no energy alas. :( |
| 15:54.02 | kerio | SpeedEvil: shut up if you get elected you're going to go and do what's right for the world |
| 15:54.06 | w00t_ | SpeedEvil: if you haven't nominated yourself/accepted nomination, you're ok |
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| 15:54.11 | SpeedEvil | Ah - ok. |
| 15:54.15 | kerio | it's your civic duty! |
| 15:54.35 | Jaffa | SpeedEvil: You're eligible to stand, but you have to post to do so |
| 15:54.53 | SpeedEvil | kerio: Fine - if irt was a moderate salaried position - I'm currently ordering next months groceries for 50 quid, and have no energy. |
| 15:54.58 | SpeedEvil | Ok. Wish I could in some ways. |
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| 15:56.30 | SpeedEvil | Well - most ways. |
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| 16:01.17 | dr34m | omg i love this phone |
| 16:01.34 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 16:01.35 | dr34m | i just downloaded this sleeping analyser thing now i will take it to bed too ! |
| 16:01.43 | SpeedEvil | seeping analyser? |
| 16:01.46 | SpeedEvil | sleeping |
| 16:01.54 | SpeedEvil | A seeping analyser would be something else. |
| 16:01.58 | dr34m | jup records your movements at night or smth |
| 16:02.16 | kerio | and broadcasts it to dr34msleeps.org |
| 16:02.21 | kerio | a pr0n paysite |
| 16:02.27 | dr34m | exactly :d |
| 16:02.37 | dr34m | world domination plans |
| 16:06.13 | slonopotamus | oh my |
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| 16:06.16 | slonopotamus | http://svalko.org/data/2010_09_06_13_43_img_ffffound_com_static_data_assets_6_24d202e3b88e944192f34ffad5e0182585f461c0_m.gif |
| 16:07.47 | dr34m | loool wtf |
| 16:07.55 | dr34m | that your gf ? |
| 16:08.09 | slonopotamus | nope, found in the internets :) |
| 16:08.20 | slonopotamus | crazy stuff :) |
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| 16:13.12 | lolloo | is there a notpad for N900 thats supports Unicode? |
| 16:13.49 | kerio | you mean, the inputting of arbitrary unicode characters? |
| 16:14.36 | lolloo | I mean when i send it from pc |
| 16:14.56 | lolloo | already a unicode note in the notepad |
| 16:15.55 | GAN900 | w00t_, go nominate yourself, please. |
| 16:16.05 | w00t_ | GAN900: I did |
| 16:16.12 | GAN900 | Ah, good. |
| 16:16.20 | GAN900 | isn't caught up on email. |
| 16:16.26 | w00t_ | (despite initially not wanting to :P) |
| 16:16.41 | GAN900 | Jaffa, if sjgadsby elects to run again, he damn well better get elected. |
| 16:16.56 | GAN900 | w00t_, it sucks, yes, but we need good people. . . . |
| 16:18.16 | lolloo | how can I save the notebook in Unicode format? |
| 16:18.21 | lolloo | notepad |
| 16:18.55 | Chibi-Taiga | how do i formar ms with n900 ? |
| 16:19.05 | GAN900 | Over 350 votes. Good. |
| 16:19.12 | lcuk | dneary, how come any of the other *masters or nokians don't stand for council? |
| 16:19.42 | lolloo | is there a way to open a Unicode text recieved from the PC? |
| 16:19.43 | GAN900 | The *masters are probably involved in the community enough. |
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| 16:20.42 | lcuk | as am I GAN900 |
| 16:21.04 | GAN900 | Jaffa, N900 was 250 Euros. |
| 16:21.25 | GAN900 | Jaffa, 370 USD at the time. |
| 16:21.46 | GAN900 | Which made it a rather unappealing deal, given the week long warranty. |
| 16:22.06 | jpinx-eeepc | is looking for a way to export all contacts to a textfile |
| 16:23.59 | jpinx-eeepc | in fact I am looking for where the database is stored so I can do a manual backup, Any ideas anyone? |
| 16:24.31 | dneary | lcuk: For my part, I'd be a little uncomfortable being both master & peasant |
| 16:24.44 | dneary | lcuk: The council is supposed to be directing me :) |
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| 16:26.37 | lcuk | really dneary how did you direct yourself before the council existed? |
| 16:27.06 | dneary | lcuk: Basically, Quim did. And there was lots to do, so easy to see what people wanted |
| 16:27.07 | lcuk | ie, i thought it was a symbiosis |
| 16:27.14 | dneary | It is a symbiosis |
| 16:30.00 | lcuk | anyway dneary, I mailed back on the thread |
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| 16:32.38 | mva | hi there |
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| 16:36.03 | dneary | lcuk: I didn't know you were officially a Maemo staff member now |
| 16:36.12 | lcuk | I am not |
| 16:36.27 | lcuk | but I put myself up to spend my community time wisely |
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| 16:38.14 | lcuk | and dneary on the Fremantle Application Framework team is not the same as maemo.org stuff as you know. |
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| 16:40.17 | mva | i've trouble with maemo. When I reboot n900 today all captions in native language comes broken («wdgt_va_24h_time», «ai_category_system», «ai_ap_name», etc). Also, maemo change it's region to Algeria, and no system language. And it is impossible to change neither region (it suggest to reboot, whet clicking "save" and comes Algeria again after reboot). nor language (it is no any languages in list) |
| 16:40.19 | dneary | lcuk: OK |
| 16:40.33 | mva | is it fixable without flashing? |
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| 16:44.41 | Noobmonk3y | Fremantle Application Framework Team - ie, the faffing team? |
| 16:46.16 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, yes |
| 16:46.26 | Noobmonk3y | sounds like my kinda team : hehehe |
| 16:46.33 | Noobmonk3y | does it involve free bacon? |
| 16:46.41 | lcuk | we faff with the system to try and support all the thousands of community apps as well as the entire system too :P |
| 16:46.54 | lcuk | Noobmonk3y, hmm |
| 16:46.56 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk... it almost sounds like work, maybe not :P |
| 16:47.11 | Noobmonk3y | kerio seems to have resolved his Bacon issue too :) |
| 16:49.08 | Noobmonk3y | brb , picking up the missus |
| 16:49.19 | lcuk | heh ok \o |
| 16:49.59 | Chibi-Taiga | wierd, n900 cant read psp encoded video's |
| 16:50.29 | slonopotamus | weird, psp requires some special video encoding |
| 16:50.38 | Chibi-Taiga | special? |
| 16:50.48 | Chibi-Taiga | just h264 at 480x272 |
| 16:51.05 | slonopotamus | dunno, you said "psp encoded video" |
| 16:51.33 | Chibi-Taiga | we all know psp cant encode rite |
| 16:51.52 | Noobmonk3y | encodes a trout with a psp and throws it at frals |
| 16:51.54 | DocScrutinizer | no I don't |
| 16:52.07 | DocScrutinizer | what's psp? :-P |
| 16:52.17 | Noobmonk3y | pretty sensitive peanut |
| 16:52.21 | Chibi-Taiga | i thought latest mobiles supported h264-avc mp4 |
| 16:52.25 | slonopotamus | DocScrutinizer: i thought playstation portable |
| 16:52.51 | slonopotamus | ~wtf psp |
| 16:52.58 | Noobmonk3y | ~psp |
| 16:52.58 | infobot | psp are Pot Smokin Programmers |
| 16:53.03 | Chibi-Taiga | lol |
| 16:53.04 | DocScrutinizer | and I'm supposed to know details about that? |
| 16:53.05 | slonopotamus | oh |
| 16:53.06 | Noobmonk3y | there we go, bot has spoken |
| 16:53.19 | Chibi-Taiga | fserver a bot ? |
| 16:53.36 | BCMM | Particularly Stupid Programmers |
| 16:54.10 | CreamyG | can someone explain this, i'm looking at a shell script and it starts: if [ -e /path/filename ] |
| 16:54.24 | CreamyG | does the -e actually check if it exists? |
| 16:54.33 | slonopotamus | though in 90s psp meant paintshop pro |
| 16:54.42 | BCMM | CreamyG: what's teh hashbang? this is a bash script? |
| 16:54.43 | alterego | CreamyG: yes, that is what -e does .. |
| 16:54.46 | DocScrutinizer | CreamyG: man bash |
| 16:55.03 | CreamyG | hmm ok, it's not google-able |
| 16:55.05 | CreamyG | thanks |
| 16:55.20 | Chibi-Taiga | ok ok handy playstation |
| 16:55.22 | Chibi-Taiga | >_> |
| 16:55.27 | slonopotamus | or, better, man test |
| 16:55.36 | BCMM | CreamyG: it is checking taht it exists, but nothing else |
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| 16:56.04 | BCMM | CreamyG: e.g. it could be a regular file or a FIFO or a directory or something |
| 16:56.09 | CreamyG | ok... well it doesn't seem to work as intended. i was hoping its missing a command or something. |
| 16:56.10 | BCMM | CreamyG: http://www.faqs.org/docs/bashman/bashref_68.html |
| 16:56.26 | BCMM | CreamyG: can you pastebin the script? |
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| 16:57.00 | slonopotamus | if something doesn't work as expected, you're expecting a wrong thing |
| 16:57.12 | CreamyG | uhh its part of conky, i'll PM u a link to that file in the git repository... lol hey i didn't code that, i'm bug fixing it |
| 16:58.00 | BCMM | why PM? i'm sure there are people here who know more bash than i do |
| 16:59.08 | slonopotamus | BCMM: maybe it's an u6er-sekrit link |
| 16:59.11 | CreamyG | kk here: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=monky;a=blob;f=debian/conky.sh;h=34f071ea5cc7096e44b2b28650f95c7de6e612a6;hb=HEAD |
| 17:00.27 | slonopotamus | `which conky` o_O |
| 17:00.30 | DocScrutinizer | `which conky` -d -c /home/user/MyDocs/conky.conf ?? what a cruft is THAT? |
| 17:00.40 | BugBlue | WTF... |
| 17:00.49 | CreamyG | yeah i googled that one, which gets the full path of conky |
| 17:00.52 | BCMM | yeah, wtf? |
| 17:01.01 | BugBlue | CreamyG: why? |
| 17:01.03 | DocScrutinizer | why?? |
| 17:01.08 | DocScrutinizer | lol |
| 17:01.10 | BugBlue | if which can find it, your bash can too |
| 17:01.10 | CreamyG | how should i know, i didn't write it lol |
| 17:01.16 | BCMM | does "`which foo`" ever do something differet from "foo"? |
| 17:01.25 | BCMM | other than a bit of sensless process creation |
| 17:01.25 | DocScrutinizer | nope |
| 17:01.40 | BugBlue | and then again |
| 17:01.44 | BugBlue | why the -c options.. |
| 17:02.00 | BCMM | also, i've never encountered a hashbang with parameters before, is it actually OK? |
| 17:02.08 | BugBlue | if(-c) fopen(arg) else { fopen(a) || fopen(b) } |
| 17:02.09 | slonopotamus | BCMM: well, it'll fail if which is not available :) |
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| 17:02.25 | DocScrutinizer | BCMM: actually it is |
| 17:02.34 | lolloo | guys, is there a unicode compatibile notepad? |
| 17:02.35 | BugBlue | BCMM: it works... but useless in the case |
| 17:02.45 | BCMM | slonopotamus: yeah, it should use `which which` to make sure it can find it... |
| 17:03.12 | BCMM | oh, i understand now |
| 17:03.14 | slonopotamus | BCMM: i think which is builtin |
| 17:03.25 | slonopotamus | BCMM: so which which won't find it :) |
| 17:03.25 | CreamyG | well the problem is, if the conky.conf doesn't exist in mydocs, it doesn't load at all... but only if i don't have the n900 in mass storage mode. i'm so confused. |
| 17:03.35 | BCMM | -x "The shell shall write to standard error a trace for each command after it expands the command and before it executes it. " |
| 17:03.47 | slonopotamus | okay, i'm wrong |
| 17:04.20 | DocScrutinizer | well actually if `which x` can't find x then the result is different from a plain `x` |
| 17:04.22 | BCMM | so the idea of the `which` and the -x is to make it output the commands it's executing to stderr, as if it was using full paths |
| 17:05.32 | DocScrutinizer | ...what for sure isn't the intended way of operation here |
| 17:05.51 | BCMM | yeah, it's a pretty bizarre way to do it |
| 17:06.08 | DocScrutinizer | it'S weird, nuts, crazy |
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| 17:06.38 | mikki-kun | hi there... what could cause my emails on the n900 not to update anymore? |
| 17:06.45 | DocScrutinizer | and probably not messybox-proof |
| 17:06.53 | mikki-kun | and how can i debug what goes wrong at which point? |
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| 17:07.25 | lolloo | mikki-kun: maybe custom firmware |
| 17:08.04 | mikki-kun | lolloo: hu? i didn't change anything except for where i live now... |
| 17:08.25 | mikki-kun | moved away and yeah, since then emails don't update anymore |
| 17:10.03 | lolloo | I cant seem to save in Unicode on notepad |
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| 17:11.48 | mikki-kun | notepad on windows? |
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| 17:15.20 | CreamyG | hey lolloo just try notepad++ or something, if it's not working |
| 17:16.48 | lolloo | CreamyG: is there one for N900? |
| 17:16.50 | CreamyG | and mikki-kun, you need to say what type of account you have set up - pop, imap, nokia messaging, etc and what program you are using to check the email. plus there's like a million people with that problem on the forum, u could probalby just google it |
| 17:17.25 | CreamyG | on the n900, well u never said that... lol. try leafpad or something, i dunno |
| 17:17.43 | CreamyG | if note pad is the "notes" app that came build in, i'm not surprised if it can't do what u need |
| 17:19.06 | lolloo | CreamyG: will do, thankyou |
| 17:19.52 | CreamyG | ahh i bet i know what's wrong with conky, probably that default .conf file is crashing it. |
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| 17:21.15 | mikki-kun | CreamyG: i think i found a solution which mentions the router blocking imap-conections |
| 17:23.54 | CreamyG | mikki-kun, imap doesn't work 100% i think. u might have to remove and add the account back or something. i think the nokia messaging works better, you might want to try that |
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| 17:27.42 | kerio | Noobmonk3y: i didn't solve my bacon issue actually |
| 17:27.42 | chem|st | ~seen dneary |
| 17:27.43 | infobot | dneary <~dneary@Maemo/community/docmaster/dneary> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 47m 24s ago, saying: 'lcuk: OK'. |
| 17:27.50 | kerio | DocScrutinizer made me remove the bot :( |
| 17:30.26 | Noobmonk3y | oh |
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| 17:41.11 | lolloo | thses isnt support for ISO-88591 character codes in notepads |
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| 17:43.13 | kerio | and for good reason |
| 17:43.16 | kerio | you should be using utf8 |
| 17:43.31 | N9revenge | i'm freaking disappointed there will be no N9 at nokia world in london....WTF???? anyody kno whats going on? |
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| 17:44.15 | N9revenge | people say n9 is delayed???? wtf??? |
| 17:44.17 | kerio | they ran out of unicorns |
| 17:44.28 | kerio | Apple got the last batch |
| 17:44.57 | N9revenge | nokia wants to be playa they aint gonna be there without n9 and meego, |
| 17:45.14 | kerio | i think nokia's last concern is being "playa" |
| 17:45.31 | lcuk | N9revenge, to be fair, theres an N8 being made available right about now. |
| 17:45.32 | SpeedEvil | They should have ordered some from thinkgeek. |
| 17:45.35 | SpeedEvil | http://www.thinkgeek.com/stuff/41/unicorn-meat.shtml |
| 17:45.49 | N9revenge | kerio: why? n9 looks freakin smoking man |
| 17:46.09 | lcuk | N9revenge, wheres the Nokia page for the N9? |
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| 17:46.19 | kerio | SpeedEvil: supposedly Apple is working on a virgin blood reactor for their reality distortion field |
| 17:46.25 | N9revenge | but n8 is same old shitty symbian....bring the N9 on and start rockin man! |
| 17:46.33 | kerio | that should leave more unicorns available for the other companies |
| 17:47.02 | N9revenge | lcuk: nokia page? whatcha talkin bout? |
| 17:47.14 | lcuk | like I say N9revenge - show me some official nokia site showing that the N9 exists |
| 17:47.24 | lcuk | cos I certainly havent read anything |
| 17:47.36 | N9revenge | lcuk: are you saying its all bullshit talk? |
| 17:48.06 | N9revenge | it dont exist? |
| 17:48.14 | lcuk | has it been announced? |
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| 17:49.05 | N9revenge | the russian blogger dude i forget his name now was saying N9 is delayed....i was like wtf??? nokia cant afford to wait man |
| 17:49.06 | pupnik_ | there are just pictures from china of something that looks like a nokia prototype |
| 17:49.19 | lcuk | "russian blogger dude" hmm |
| 17:49.26 | lcuk | he sounds like official source to me |
| 17:49.29 | N9revenge | lcuk: whut? |
| 17:49.51 | pupnik_ | lcuk is someone who isn't allowed to talk about the n9 N9revenge |
| 17:49.55 | N9revenge | you kiddin man the russian dude was right about a lotta things... |
| 17:50.09 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk sssssssh the N9 is the new codename for the iphone6million |
| 17:50.12 | lcuk | so was rosey lee |
| 17:50.41 | N9revenge | n900 is yesterdays news....maemo needs new fones |
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| 17:51.10 | kerio | so make one |
| 17:51.11 | N9revenge | i thought n9 was it....are there any insiders in this channel? |
| 17:51.13 | lcuk | ooh hey RevdKathy |
| 17:51.18 | SpeedEvil | Maemo is very unlikely to be on any new phone. |
| 17:51.19 | Noobmonk3y | n9 yesish, lol |
| 17:51.20 | SpeedEvil | It's meego. |
| 17:51.21 | Noobmonk3y | and lol |
| 17:51.22 | N9revenge | any nokia insiders here? |
| 17:51.25 | lcuk | was just sorting own stuff out |
| 17:51.27 | RevdKathy | Hi -lcuk! thought I'd find you here |
| 17:51.34 | Noobmonk3y | waves @ Kathy!!!! |
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| 17:51.39 | lcuk | indeed, i thought you were knitting :P |
| 17:51.45 | ShadowJK | saying it's "delayed" is kinda funny considering there's been no announce date.. heck, N9 doesn't officially exist even. |
| 17:51.48 | Noobmonk3y | lcuk - knitting the new n9? lol |
| 17:51.50 | RevdKathy | Hi noobmonk3y! How're you? |
| 17:51.52 | Noobmonk3y | feels like starting rumours |
| 17:51.53 | CreamyG | how can a file i uploaded to the n900 with sftp only show up with the nokia file manager but not in the shell or mass storage mode? |
| 17:52.07 | SpeedEvil | CreamyG: you're looking in the wrong places |
| 17:52.07 | Noobmonk3y | i'm very very good thank you!!! how are you?! |
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| 17:52.17 | N9revenge | i wanna talk to nokia insiders....they gotta know this shit |
| 17:52.21 | RevdKathy | Threatening to be knitting maemo-org n900 socks and green meegons for conference |
| 17:52.30 | SpeedEvil | They are also bound by NDAs N9 |
| 17:52.44 | timoph|away | RevdKathy: please do :) |
| 17:52.48 | CreamyG | it's just in MyDocs |
| 17:52.53 | RevdKathy | Glad to hear it, Noobmonk3y! generally good, ta, though under pressure |
| 17:53.00 | Noobmonk3y | pressure? eeeeeeeeek |
| 17:53.10 | N9revenge | wtf???? fuck nda |
| 17:53.38 | RevdKathy | maemo.org n900 socks should be very simple |
| 17:53.52 | SpeedEvil | N9revenge: I would be happy to break any and all NDAs I have signed with nokia to conceal information I know about the n9 for only $1000 by paypal. |
| 17:54.11 | kerio | i'll do that for $999 |
| 17:54.22 | timoph | ah. /ignore is a bliss |
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| 17:55.33 | CreamyG | i still have the ftp window open, says i uploaded it to /home/user/MyDocs. Conky loads it. nokia file manager sees it. but if i open a shell to that location or mount the drive with usb it's not there |
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| 17:59.34 | Yabba | Any PyQt4 gurus in here to tell me why my buttons looks like this? http://www.kolumbus.fi/yabbapappa/Muut/Screenshot.png |
| 18:00.14 | GAN900 | $10 I can coerce Kathy into running. |
| 18:00.21 | GAN900 | RevdKathy! |
| 18:00.40 | RevdKathy | Hi GAN900 |
| 18:00.47 | RevdKathy | Thank you for the email |
| 18:01.06 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, any time. :) Are you running? |
| 18:01.08 | lcuk | Yabba, is that 2 buttons or 6 |
| 18:01.13 | lcuk | err 10 |
| 18:01.26 | timoph | would love to see RevdKathy accept the nomination |
| 18:01.27 | CreamyG | wtf, so i deleted "conky.conf" from the nokia file manager, and the other stuff says "conky.conf.bak" was deleted. i guess it was just hiding the .bak to confuse me. great feature. |
| 18:01.35 | Yabba | There is only 2 buttons on that. Shutter and activate 2 sec mode |
| 18:01.59 | RevdKathy | Ummm not sure. I have till midnight, yes? Though Dave has me as a 'no' so migth need permission to change my mind! |
| 18:02.01 | lcuk | Yabba, check bugzille see if its a qt specific bug |
| 18:02.18 | lcuk | ooh my credit got topped up |
| 18:02.22 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, no, your deadline is right now. |
| 18:02.23 | lcuk | was waiting for that msg |
| 18:02.24 | CreamyG | i'd love to know how conky was loading the conky.conf.bak though |
| 18:02.24 | Yabba | lcuk, ok |
| 18:02.32 | GAN900 | If you don't run I'm going to be sad. |
| 18:02.42 | lcuk | are you running gan? |
| 18:02.43 | RevdKathy | I didn't come in here for strokes - was looking for lcuk |
| 18:02.56 | RevdKathy | do you want me to call you lcuk? |
| 18:03.03 | timoph | :) |
| 18:03.27 | lcuk | 02: You've now got unlimited UK texts and unlimited internet to use this month" :D |
| 18:03.39 | lcuk | nahh RevdKathy I will call you, just making a cuppa 1st |
| 18:03.42 | RevdKathy | yippee! |
| 18:03.58 | RevdKathy | ok - I have minutes to spare but don't seem to have your number |
| 18:04.56 | RevdKathy | aha - found it in my sms line 10 months old! |
| 18:04.57 | lcuk | you should have now I just sms'ed, hang on still gotta get a brew |
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| 18:05.01 | RevdKathy | just in time :-) |
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| 18:07.52 | DocScrutinizer | hello RevdKathy |
| 18:08.09 | RevdKathy | Hi DocScrutinizer! How're you? |
| 18:08.21 | DocScrutinizer | come ci come ca |
| 18:10.04 | RevdKathy | Is that good? |
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| 18:11.04 | GAN900 | lcuk, god no. |
| 18:11.13 | GAN900 | I'm conning Kathy into running for me. |
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| 18:11.59 | lcuk | why, if she replaces you she will have to become grumpy and we like kathy to smile :P |
| 18:12.18 | RevdKathy | A grumpy bear would be a bad idea! |
| 18:13.02 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, I wont abuse you over it, but I REALLY hope you run, and I know you'll fit the role perfectly. :) |
| 18:13.20 | GAN900 | Whatever you yourself may think. |
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| 18:31.40 | Meldiuz | hello |
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| 18:33.16 | johnsq | Hi |
| 18:35.11 | Meldiuz | Does anyone know how to make rootsh ask for the root password to login as root on the N900? |
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| 18:36.24 | Meldiuz | it makes me nervous that any program I install could have so easily root privileges... |
| 18:36.55 | [sergiu] | install su and remove rootsh :p |
| 18:37.09 | zokier | s/su/sudo/ |
| 18:37.15 | DocScrutinizer | create a password: `root; passwd` - then edit /etc/sudoers: change "NOPASSWD" to "PASSWD" or just delete |
| 18:37.26 | DocScrutinizer | [sergiu]: BS |
| 18:38.21 | Meldiuz | ok thanks for your replies :) I'm going to try now... |
| 18:38.55 | zokier | DocScrutinizer, doesn't removing nopasswd make sudo ask for the users password instead of roots password? |
| 18:40.07 | DocScrutinizer | user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot -> user ALL = PASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot |
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| 18:40.50 | FireStorm| | evening, just got my phone back from nokia!!!! and i got no contacts can i import them directly from googlemail? |
| 18:41.23 | DocScrutinizer | Defaults targetpw # ask for the password of the target user i.e. root |
| 18:42.36 | Dassu | anybody here using Groove? (GrooveShark client) |
| 18:42.49 | FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer was it u who's the eletrical engineer? |
| 18:43.03 | Dassu | Updated to newer version and now search doesn't work :/ |
| 18:43.06 | DocScrutinizer | ~ DocScrutinizer |
| 18:43.07 | infobot | [docscrutinizer] jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko |
| 18:43.33 | Meldiuz | didn't work... |
| 18:43.43 | FireStorm| | i'm trying to think who i spoke to last time about phone screen going, ur name rings a bell :p |
| 18:43.58 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: see my above two posts |
| 18:44.05 | DocScrutinizer | forget the fools |
| 18:44.40 | Meldiuz | couldn't get su pkg with apt-get install : couldn't find it |
| 18:44.53 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: forget it!!!! |
| 18:45.04 | DocScrutinizer | su doesn't work, even if you'd find |
| 18:45.41 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: [sergiu] and zokier were kidding you |
| 18:46.14 | DocScrutinizer | (or they are noobs who don't know better) |
| 18:46.20 | Dassu | okies seems like groove no longer works ;___; |
| 18:47.00 | Meldiuz | DocScrutunizer : your option didn't make a difference either |
| 18:47.04 | FireStorm| | any idea then can u import gmail contacts to the phone? |
| 18:47.33 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: edit /etc/sudoers, add first line >>Defaults targetpw<<, change line >>user ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/sbin/gainroot<< to read PASSWD instead of NOPASSWD |
| 18:48.50 | DocScrutinizer | then, if that works, do the same edit in the file /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo |
| 18:48.54 | zokier | actually, i don't know the reason why i should use some strange rootsh/gainroot/root-scripts instead of just using sudo -s |
| 18:49.44 | DocScrutinizer | uhuh, just try sudo -s without rootsh installed, fool |
| 18:50.49 | DocScrutinizer | then learn about messybox |
| 18:53.44 | zokier | http://codepad.org/24j7PBaG like this? |
| 18:53.51 | Meldiuz | I still get root access straight away, when I type root |
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| 18:54.17 | Meldiuz | should I restart the n900? |
| 18:54.51 | Meldiuz | I've added the 1st line and changed to PASSWD |
| 18:55.05 | joga | tried sudo -k first? |
| 18:55.31 | joga | ("The -k (kill) option to sudo invalidates the userâs timestamp by setting the time on it to the Epoch. The next time sudo is run a password will be required.") |
| 18:55.48 | joga | not sure how it's configured on the n900 though |
| 19:00.10 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: works for me, try sudo -k, or just wait 10min(?) until old password times out |
| 19:00.13 | steinex | how's battery drain with openntpd running? |
| 19:00.38 | DocScrutinizer | marginally better |
| 19:00.47 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: ok :D |
| 19:00.51 | DocScrutinizer | err worse |
| 19:01.03 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: so not worth thinking about? |
| 19:01.12 | DocScrutinizer | not really |
| 19:01.16 | steinex | fine, thanks |
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| 19:01.39 | steinex | time was always off 3 minutes, even with that "sync time" option in the GUI enabled, no clue why |
| 19:02.06 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: your GSM carrier is crap |
| 19:02.08 | DocScrutinizer | :-) |
| 19:02.24 | steinex | ;) |
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| 19:03.38 | DocScrutinizer | steinex: you occasionally might want to issue `hwclock --systohc` |
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| 19:04.10 | FireStorm| | any ideas if u can import gmail contacs into the n900? |
| 19:04.19 | steinex | sounds reasonable, will give that a cronjob |
| 19:05.39 | steinex | checking out iodine tonight |
| 19:06.13 | steinex | to get teh packetz from this very crappy gsm-carrier when they put me to 2g speed after 20Ã0mb ;-) |
| 19:06.41 | DocScrutinizer | ouch |
| 19:06.53 | steinex | hm? |
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| 19:07.23 | DocScrutinizer | for the 2G downgrade |
| 19:08.07 | steinex | the thing is... i would even upgrade to 1G or something like that. but they want 35euro more for an upgrade to 5G/month which i wouldn't ever need |
| 19:08.08 | DocScrutinizer | 5GB flat here |
| 19:08.13 | steinex | nothing in between |
| 19:08.14 | steinex | :/ |
| 19:08.39 | DocScrutinizer | ""flat"" |
| 19:08.53 | Meldiuz | sudo -k didn't make any diiference |
| 19:08.56 | DocScrutinizer | O2-loop with INTERNET-L |
| 19:09.11 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: vodafone here |
| 19:09.14 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: worked for me |
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| 19:09.35 | lcuk | RevdKathy, omg |
| 19:09.35 | steinex | DocScrutinizer: i tried some dns-tunnel tests with them when i was downgraded again |
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| 19:09.46 | steinex | 7kb/s without, 70kb/s with dns-tunnel |
| 19:09.56 | steinex | just need to get this in shape for daily use and i'm fine ;-) |
| 19:10.06 | RevdKathy | ran out of credit? |
| 19:10.11 | kerio | woot! dns tunneling! |
| 19:10.12 | Meldiuz | so I'm going to restart the N900 (so I'll quit the channel and come back |
| 19:10.13 | zokier | dnstunnel sounds...hacky |
| 19:10.19 | kerio | dns tunneling is awesome |
| 19:10.21 | steinex | RevdKathy: no, my plan just includes 200mb |
| 19:10.33 | Meldiuz | by the way what does BS mean? |
| 19:10.35 | kerio | and not *that* easy to detect |
| 19:10.56 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: I added the >>Defaults targetpw<< line, deleted "NO", and saved the file. Then tried to `root` from a xterm on N900 and it asked for my root password which luckily was set |
| 19:11.15 | DocScrutinizer | ~wtf BS |
| 19:11.40 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: on rebooting N900 your edits in /etc/sudoers get lost |
| 19:11.52 | kerio | you need to add a file of your own in /etc/sudoers.d/ |
| 19:12.14 | DocScrutinizer | Meldiuz: you need to edit /etc/sudoers.d/01sudo for taking effect on next boot |
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| 19:13.51 | zokier | that's strange... |
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| 19:14.47 | DocScrutinizer | kerio: adding files to /etc/sudoers.d/* is fine for new things, it's messy for overriding existing things like sudo gainroot |
| 19:15.18 | Meldiuz | thanks for your answer infobot |
| 19:15.29 | DocScrutinizer | ~botsnack |
| 19:15.29 | infobot | DocScrutinizer: :) |
| 19:15.51 | Meldiuz | DocSrutinizer : yes I've changed the 2nd file |
| 19:16.09 | Meldiuz | well I'm rebooting now |
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| 19:16.12 | DocScrutinizer | so now run update-sudoers and fine you are |
| 19:16.23 | DocScrutinizer | or just boot |
| 19:16.39 | DocScrutinizer | bbl, cya |
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| 19:18.30 | mece | is there a new meego image out today? |
| 19:19.07 | X-Fade | mece: Every wednesday. |
| 19:19.21 | mece | imagine that, it just happens to be wednesday :) |
| 19:19.45 | mece | Alright I think I'm gonna try the latest one out, and see how it is. *curious* |
| 19:19.46 | X-Fade | Oh wow, indeed :D |
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| 19:21.31 | lcuk | has melted earwax |
| 19:23.22 | mece | lcuk, good to know. |
| 19:23.39 | mece | ok, I'm out. |
| 19:23.42 | mece | bbl. |
| 19:23.42 | lcuk | \o |
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| 19:28.02 | Meldiuz | there was an other line to change and now it's working :) |
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| 19:30.38 | Meldiuz | on /etc/sudoers there was an other line further down with 'user ALL = NOPASSWD: All' |
| 19:30.56 | Meldiuz | so changed it to PASSWD too |
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| 19:39.04 | MohammadAG | anyone played around with QImage? |
| 19:39.14 | X-Fade | Pretty cool to use helsinki bus catcher and then see the actual bus you have been following on the map come by. |
| 19:40.45 | steinex | wait what.. you get gps data from busses in helsinki? |
| 19:41.08 | X-Fade | steinex: The bus service actually publishes that data. |
| 19:41.14 | steinex | awesome. |
| 19:41.22 | steinex | lightyears in front of germany |
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| 19:41.36 | lcuk | X-Fade, making use of digital data is on the the govt commitments isnt it? |
| 19:41.53 | lcuk | or making it actively available for consumption |
| 19:42.01 | zokier | MohammadAG, i've used it a little bit |
| 19:42.10 | FireStorm| | any ideas if u can import gmail contacts into phone with out setting mail client up? |
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| 19:42.30 | MohammadAG | zokier, can I load an image into a QDialog with it? |
| 19:42.32 | lcuk | FireStorm|, any idea how to export gmail contacts? |
| 19:42.37 | RevdKathy | lcuk - earwax from being on the phone so long! |
| 19:42.44 | lcuk | yes RevdKathy |
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| 19:42.53 | lcuk | but i had to put my drops in the other ear too |
| 19:43.06 | RevdKathy | Sowwy! It was useful to talk though |
| 19:43.16 | zokier | MohammadAG, i think you need a qwidget where you put the image first |
| 19:43.28 | lcuk | indeed RevdKathy |
| 19:43.44 | RevdKathy | struggling with this email! |
| 19:43.51 | MohammadAG | scratches head |
| 19:44.11 | lcuk | "give me 10 million dollars or the bear gets it?" mail, or another? |
| 19:44.39 | hrw|gone | MohammadAG: your pulseaudio etc packages are available with proper sources? |
| 19:44.46 | knightstalker | OMG,I received the 12th SMS from Ovi store giving out a link which I 'shared' with myself,How to stop This? |
| 19:44.55 | knightstalker | slaps Ovi anyway |
| 19:45.01 | FireStorm| | well no lcuk u can export to a file though can't u |
| 19:45.02 | MohammadAG | hrw|gone, I linked to the patch I used |
| 19:45.13 | lcuk | GIT |
| 19:45.20 | lcuk | you need it |
| 19:45.28 | lcuk | FireStorm|, IDK |
| 19:45.48 | MohammadAG | lcuk, indeed, too many things floating around in my head right now :/ |
| 19:45.50 | lcuk | i believe though if you have contacts in vcontact format they are imporatable, but don't quote me on that |
| 19:46.01 | FireStorm| | cause i really cba to hand enter all the my contacts again |
| 19:46.22 | RevdKathy | lcuk I think on that basis the bear is kapok! |
| 19:46.23 | hrw|gone | MohammadAG: but no dsc/diff/tar.gz debian style ones? |
| 19:46.29 | lcuk | RevdKathy, just think of the fish nibbling |
| 19:46.46 | RevdKathy | Eek! tickly! |
| 19:46.46 | MohammadAG | hrw|gone, lemme check, though I think I forgot them on my old scratchbox |
| 19:46.58 | MohammadAG | which apparently didn't rsync :P |
| 19:47.26 | FireStorm| | can u set phone to save to sim rather then to phone then? |
| 19:48.12 | zokier | MohammadAG, apparently qlabel is the widget if you want to display an image |
| 19:48.31 | zokier | it uses qpixmaps |
| 19:48.32 | lcuk | :D |
| 19:48.58 | MohammadAG | scratches head again :P |
| 19:49.08 | knightstalker | OMG,I received the 12th SMS from Ovi store giving out a link which I 'shared' with myself,How to stop This? |
| 19:49.48 | MohammadAG | oh, I see |
| 19:49.50 | MohammadAG | checks |
| 19:50.07 | lcuk | FireStorm|, no http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=maemo+contacts+sim |
| 19:50.30 | hrw|gone | who has PyQt4/maemo experience here? |
| 19:50.31 | lolloo | knightstalker: you think aslking twice will let ppl answer you... |
| 19:50.33 | zokier | qimage is used only for storing images in memory, you need a widget to display it. qlabel is such widget |
| 19:50.35 | FireStorm| | gett what crap is that!!! |
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| 19:50.47 | lcuk | but theres plenty of advice about copying contacts over |
| 19:50.49 | knightstalker | lolloo,Yes |
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| 19:51.05 | FireStorm| | so i can import from sim to phone but i can't export to it whats that all about lol |
| 19:51.16 | lolloo | knightstalker: atleast try asking another way... |
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| 19:52.33 | FireStorm| | thats like they half a job and it was 5pm friday so went home and just left it lol |
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| 19:52.43 | knightstalker | lolloo,and you can help community another way too ^_^ |
| 19:52.43 | lcuk | knightstalker, or go and ask ovi |
| 19:53.00 | knightstalker | lcuk,how I may ask? |
| 19:53.11 | knightstalker | lcuk,how, may ask?* |
| 19:53.19 | zokier | MohammadAG, alternatively you could subclass qdialog and draw the image directly in the paintevent on screen |
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| 19:54.46 | lcuk | knightstalker, perhaps you could go onto the ovi store with your account and see if theres a support button? |
| 19:54.53 | lcuk | since its ovi sending you a message |
| 19:55.01 | lcuk | relating to someinthg you did on the ovi store |
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| 19:55.22 | lcuk | or on ovi data service rather |
| 19:55.38 | knightstalker | lcuk,well,I do not think they provide support while I did use proxies to get rid of their 'This service isn't available in your area' thingy,but I may try... |
| 19:56.23 | lcuk | hey knightstalker - so you snuck in by the side entrance, used the service against the stated terms and now crying to us when it doesnt go as expected? |
| 19:56.46 | knightstalker | Yes,as it accepted my Phone number |
| 19:57.02 | lcuk | sigh |
| 19:57.04 | lcuk | gnite |
| 19:57.05 | knightstalker | ^_^ |
| 19:57.10 | knightstalker | Byez :P |
| 19:57.35 | FireStorm| | lol |
| 19:59.08 | FireStorm| | lcuk whats that don't let the door slam behind you on the way out. |
| 19:59.40 | Jaffa | re |
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| 20:00.13 | Jaffa | GAN900: Ah, my mistake EUR symbol isn't 7-bit safe |
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| 20:05.02 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: So it was lcuk gibing you a verbal bashing to stand? |
| 20:05.30 | FireStorm| | lcuk u reckon maemo can import v cards? |
| 20:05.32 | RevdKathy | We talked about many things, but that was part of it. And all the emails and tweets, too |
| 20:06.00 | Jaffa | RevdKathy: Cool, glad you changed your mind |
| 20:06.02 | RevdKathy | Lcuk and I also discussed getting your feet nibbled by fish. |
| 20:06.19 | Jaffa | Gold fish shoals nibbling on your toes? |
| 20:06.21 | RevdKathy | Thanks. Of course, standing is no guarantee of election! |
| 20:06.48 | RevdKathy | no, I think it was piranhas, actually |
| 20:06.56 | Jaffa | It does if there are exactly 3 or 5 candidate (past that point now) |
| 20:07.14 | RevdKathy | Well past that point and all excellent candidates (except me) |
| 20:07.30 | MohammadAG | Argh |
| 20:07.34 | RevdKathy | argh? |
| 20:08.06 | GAN900 | RevdKathy, enough of that or we'll have to get the trouts out. |
| 20:08.24 | RevdKathy | To nibble my feet? |
| 20:08.36 | GAN900 | Jaffa, $250 would've been reasonable. :P |
| 20:09.24 | Jaffa | GAN900: Indeed. But it *was* so much easier for Nokia to administer :-/ |
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| 20:09.41 | Chibi-Taiga | hey guys is there any show/hide event in xchat ? |
| 20:10.07 | andre__ | what is that? |
| 20:10.20 | Chibi-Taiga | what is what |
| 20:10.26 | satmd | you want to go away if you switch away from xchat? |
| 20:10.54 | satmd | I'm afraid this isn't possible with xchat (yet?) |
| 20:10.54 | Chibi-Taiga | ... show/hide events |
| 20:11.12 | Chibi-Taiga | meaning hide join/part/quit statuses |
| 20:11.18 | andre__ | repeating with the same words does not make it clearer... |
| 20:11.21 | andre__ | ah. |
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| 20:12.12 | GAN900 | Jaffa, apparently a couple of people have processed warranty claims through Nokia Care. |
| 20:12.27 | GAN900 | Chibi-Taiga, yes. |
| 20:12.39 | GAN900 | Although I can't currently remember the command. |
| 20:12.45 | Chibi-Taiga | darn |
| 20:12.48 | GAN900 | Likely something in settings, too. |
| 20:12.53 | Chibi-Taiga | it would save log spave lol |
| 20:12.58 | andre__ | I can't find anything in the xchat UI on my machine here (not N900) about this |
| 20:13.10 | Chibi-Taiga | i can find anything for show/hide events |
| 20:13.26 | Jaffa | GAN900: Impressive. |
| 20:13.37 | alterego | Oh that's interesting. If you use the Qt Mobility API to keep the screen alive, it actually wakes the device up from screen lock |
| 20:13.44 | Chibi-Taiga | on my pc i use mirc |
| 20:13.49 | Chibi-Taiga | way beter |
| 20:13.52 | alterego | Neat for development, pain in the arse if someone does something annoying with it. |
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| 20:22.50 | RevdKathy | 'Night all! |
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| 20:28.22 | FireStorm| | lol gotta love pc suite and windows 7 |
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| 20:31.38 | DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: hide join/quit is in chan-tab context menu (click+hold) |
| 20:31.39 | hrw|gone | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=811007&postcount=206 for ApMeFo users |
| 20:31.47 | DocScrutinizer | Chibi-Taiga: in N900 xchat |
| 20:32.00 | Chibi-Taiga | richt click ? how ? |
| 20:32.08 | Chibi-Taiga | err nvm |
| 20:32.12 | hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer: opinion? |
| 20:32.12 | Chibi-Taiga | misreaded |
| 20:32.19 | Chibi-Taiga | thx |
| 20:32.38 | DocScrutinizer | hwoarang: my current opinion is simply >>burrp<< |
| 20:32.55 | DocScrutinizer | hrw|gone: ^^ |
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| 20:34.07 | hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer: noted |
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| 20:34.50 | DocScrutinizer | sorry, but even slowly fading into >>yawn<< (damn, that greek dinner) |
| 20:35.25 | DocScrutinizer | also |
| 20:35.27 | DocScrutinizer | ~tmo |
| 20:35.28 | infobot | tmo is, like, http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic |
| 20:35.36 | hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer: no problem |
| 20:35.49 | DocScrutinizer | though I preferred the former def |
| 20:35.51 | hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer: I just know that you use it so you are good person to ask |
| 20:36.23 | DocScrutinizer | I'll open the thread in browser and read it tomorrow, deal? |
| 20:36.28 | hrw|gone | sure |
| 20:36.46 | hrw|gone | DocScrutinizer: in short: no more tabs |
| 20:37.10 | DocScrutinizer | pics look nice |
| 20:37.43 | DocScrutinizer | but await spanking, I'm a harsh usability critic |
| 20:37.57 | hrw|gone | ;) |
| 20:38.13 | DocScrutinizer | well, it can't get worse than original apmefo :-P |
| 20:39.47 | hrw|gone | o yes |
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| 20:47.16 | MNZ | hrw|gone, that looks much better than current design. More in sync with the way of the maemo :D |
| 20:48.12 | pog | the N900 device /home/user/MyDoc is vfat. Wouln't it work to reformat in an linux format? Or is there a hw restriction for the memory device? |
| 20:48.56 | joga | pog, it's a sensible choice considering you probably want to mount it with several different OSes and they all support fat |
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| 20:50.41 | pog | from this pont of view, yes. But not less good to install a another bootabel Linux-OS. |
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| 20:51.23 | FireStorm| | lcuk ur right it dont' work |
| 20:51.35 | pog | I havend seen yet, wether the device can be taken out of the device. |
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| 20:51.56 | pog | you mead per as USB-Device, o.k. |
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| 20:54.08 | FireStorm| | lcuk yer it don't work, if u import via data suite. and select vcf it don't do it just errors |
| 20:54.23 | FireStorm| | if u select contacts which is xls / vcf / txt it trys and puts all contact in as one |
| 20:54.26 | pog | one might perhaps reformat to one part vat32, and a second part ext3, which works in general with usbsticks |
| 20:55.37 | pog | but there is another sd-Device, which I could use, I beliefe. |
| 20:56.03 | FireStorm| | lcuk if u import it at a vcf card it just crashes the comminucation cntre lol |
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| 20:57.38 | DocScrutinizer | joy of Nokia suite? |
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| 21:01.50 | FireStorm| | import it as CSV file it give u the correct number of contacts but no entrys lol |
| 21:01.50 | FireStorm| | ffs |
| 21:01.53 | FireStorm| | i don't really want to sit and import 200 contacts :( |
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| 21:01.56 | FireStorm| | any one got any ideas on importing Gmail contacts into maemo |
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| 21:04.59 | FireStorm| | any one? |
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| 21:06.43 | iluminator101 | how do i add google voice on n900 |
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| 21:11.19 | th3hate | is it possible to reset the partition table of mmc using n900? |
| 21:11.21 | th3hate | sfdisk maybe? |
| 21:11.34 | FireStorm| | come on someone most have done it before :( |
| 21:12.46 | satmd | mine only has a single partition on it |
| 21:12.56 | satmd | probably vfat |
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| 21:13.02 | satmd | too lazy to check now |
| 21:13.21 | satmd | speaks of the mmc, not the eMMC |
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| 21:15.34 | FireStorm| | slaps shity n900 and nokia :@ |
| 21:17.02 | FireStorm| | DocScrutinizer any ideas ? |
| 21:17.08 | iluminator101 | how do i add google voice on n900 |
| 21:18.00 | DocScrutinizer | sorry 2 lines above I got highlight, and 3 lines above I stopped reading backscroll |
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| 21:18.47 | FireStorm| | any ideas on how to import gmail contacts into n900 |
| 21:18.50 | FireStorm| | cause it don't wanan know |
| 21:19.07 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check tmo and repos |
| 21:19.10 | DocScrutinizer | iluminator101: check tmo and repos |
| 21:19.38 | iluminator101 | tmo?? |
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| 21:19.40 | DocScrutinizer | gets in a kicking mood :-/ |
| 21:19.50 | zash | everybody hide! |
| 21:19.58 | kerio | hides |
| 21:20.05 | MNZ | dances |
| 21:20.11 | kerio | damn, chadi beat me at hiding |
| 21:20.30 | MNZ | iluminator101, talk.maemo.org |
| 21:20.45 | FireStorm| | get in the hot tub and hids! |
| 21:21.56 | FireStorm| | :( |
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| 21:30.52 | CreamyG | hey does anyone know the proper units for cpu time - looks like minutes, seconds, ms but i'm not sure |
| 21:31.15 | CreamyG | like it says xorg 19:28.55 |
| 21:31.33 | CreamyG | and i rebooted less than 19 hrs ago for sure |
| 21:35.08 | SpeedEvil | 19 mins |
| 21:36.15 | CreamyG | MM:SS.ms ? |
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| 21:37.40 | CreamyG | oh, it's 13:37 |
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| 21:38.11 | SpeedEvil | no seconds.hundredths |
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| 21:40.42 | CreamyG | ahh ok cs |
| 21:40.52 | CreamyG | thanks |
| 21:43.53 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: how's your head? |
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| 21:45.55 | SpeedEvil | Fine at the moment. |
| 21:45.58 | SpeedEvil | No lasting damage. |
| 21:46.07 | DocScrutinizer | good :-) |
| 21:49.33 | DocScrutinizer | SpeedEvil: on #om-cdevel lindi and gena2x are discussing power consumption issues, might be a topic for you |
| 21:50.03 | SpeedEvil | I don't have my OM device up anymore. |
| 21:51.17 | DocScrutinizer | it's more about hw/boottime level |
| 21:51.29 | SpeedEvil | yeah |
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| 22:16.25 | jo-erlend | I'm trying to synchronize PIM data between my n900 and funambol and memotoo, but no luck. I get an error: "Synchronization failed", but no explanations. Any ideas? |
| 22:16.31 | jo-erlend | I'm using syncEvolution. |
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| 22:53.08 | lcuk | jo-erlend, it could be any one of things :S |
| 22:53.57 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, |
| 22:54.01 | lcuk | you thought from last night |
| 22:54.10 | lcuk | is essentially what invar does, but for 3 leds |
| 22:54.13 | jo-erlend | heh... I run it from the command line, and I got even more confusing results... All was a success, but then there was an error saying synchronization failed.. |
| 22:54.24 | lcuk | nice jo! |
| 22:54.39 | lcuk | the bugtracker for it isnt so easy to pin down either |
| 22:54.58 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: yes - I was thinking it might or might not be easy to add. |
| 22:55.01 | lcuk | http://bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?product=SyncEvolution |
| 22:55.13 | lcuk | jo-erlend, perhaps have a glance over there |
| 22:55.17 | lcuk | and see if anything jumps out |
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| 22:55.49 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, you actually want to use it for rangefinding? |
| 22:56.24 | SpeedEvil | lcuk: no. Prop n900 against something, pointing at wall. Run stud detector across wall, scribbling randomly |
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| 22:56.37 | SpeedEvil | noting on the image when the LED goes on |
| 22:56.53 | lcuk | ahh so you can visually map all the places it hit! |
| 22:56.54 | SpeedEvil | you end up with a diagram of dots where the studs/wires are |
| 22:56.58 | lcuk | like a super timelapse |
| 22:57.02 | lcuk | wicked! |
| 22:57.03 | SpeedEvil | exactly |
| 22:57.37 | lcuk | neat idea dude! that should be reasonably practical |
| 22:57.45 | lcuk | however I recall the Push N900 guys |
| 22:57.53 | lcuk | wanted to do a camera trail maker thing |
| 22:58.01 | lcuk | and they ended up with slight gaps |
| 22:58.07 | lcuk | based on aliasing and phasing and stuff |
| 22:58.32 | lcuk | how precise are you thinking, if it just shows you all the places it saw a green led (as you said configurable) |
| 22:59.27 | lcuk | hmm |
| 22:59.35 | lcuk | so taking one highres pic at start of it |
| 22:59.43 | lcuk | then using a video stream thereafter |
| 22:59.48 | lcuk | and using a filter on that |
| 22:59.52 | lcuk | should give you what you need.. |
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| 23:02.08 | SpeedEvil | I just mean approximately. |
| 23:02.16 | SpeedEvil | Its good to get an overall view |
| 23:02.26 | lcuk | sure, i see what you are thinking |
| 23:02.27 | SpeedEvil | You don't need a hugely precise answer. |
| 23:02.39 | SpeedEvil | As you can check later for precise measurements. |
| 23:03.45 | SpeedEvil | I was pondering my own cam app. |
| 23:03.55 | SpeedEvil | Something trivial with no UI. |
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| 23:04.22 | lcuk | the problem you would have is distance and resolution |
| 23:04.30 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, healthcheck |
| 23:04.31 | SpeedEvil | Lock focal length at infinity, on headset press, take a pic, take a voice note while it is held down |
| 23:04.38 | lcuk | is pyqt and has camera image doofers |
| 23:04.46 | SpeedEvil | hmm |
| 23:04.55 | SpeedEvil | No screen even. |
| 23:05.01 | SpeedEvil | For lower powrr |
| 23:05.29 | lcuk | the screen isnt important and your timeout should cope/can just click your dimmer |
| 23:05.39 | SpeedEvil | I want to have the n900 ina a shirt pocket, and be able to take pics and notes by walking around and pointing art stuff |
| 23:05.40 | lcuk | but I tihnk having some ui to be able to stop it would be wise |
| 23:05.49 | SpeedEvil | with gps |
| 23:05.51 | lcuk | knows that usecase very well |
| 23:05.58 | lcuk | gps isnt good indoors |
| 23:06.05 | SpeedEvil | no |
| 23:06.17 | lcuk | but gives general area usually |
| 23:06.28 | lcuk | so good enough to indicate client X or client Y |
| 23:06.30 | SpeedEvil | waits for site to load. |
| 23:06.54 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, alternative |
| 23:07.01 | lcuk | just record a movie of you doing it |
| 23:07.04 | lcuk | using normal software |
| 23:07.12 | lcuk | then postprocess |
| 23:07.17 | lcuk | to get your overlay |
| 23:07.25 | lcuk | no delay, no faff |
| 23:07.30 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 |
| 23:07.32 | lcuk | you know it records movies etc |
| 23:07.52 | lcuk | once you get to needing it, load up gstreamer using python and process the frames |
| 23:07.56 | SpeedEvil | I want it to last at least 4h. |
| 23:07.58 | lcuk | nods |
| 23:08.07 | SpeedEvil | So video doesnt really work |
| 23:08.08 | lcuk | then use the normal sw? |
| 23:08.41 | SpeedEvil | GPS is imprecise due to truncation at seconds of lat/lon, the delay sucks. |
| 23:08.43 | lcuk | make a data stream and save the live processing till you are back at office? |
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| 23:09.03 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: is your goal to improve openstreetmap? |
| 23:09.19 | SpeedEvil | yes |
| 23:09.24 | lcuk | lindi-, his original goal was to detect live wires :P |
| 23:09.28 | SpeedEvil | no - sorry |
| 23:09.34 | lcuk | senses feature creep :P |
| 23:09.38 | SpeedEvil | this and that are completlely seperate projects |
| 23:09.44 | SpeedEvil | I should have made that clear |
| 23:09.50 | lcuk | i know dude |
| 23:10.07 | lcuk | but the camera and recording ui is already optimised for quick on the go usage |
| 23:10.28 | lcuk | dim your screen, do your art, dump later |
| 23:10.40 | SpeedEvil | Its really not. |
| 23:10.50 | SpeedEvil | It has several issues. |
| 23:10.59 | SpeedEvil | Can't listen to audio at the same time. |
| 23:11.00 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: I've done some experiments with video mapping from a car. http://lindi.iki.fi/lindi/osm/video-recording/demo1.ogv -- it seems to be fairly useful but only if I could up the resolution a lot |
| 23:11.21 | jo-erlend | is there only one contact list on maemo? |
| 23:11.25 | SpeedEvil | The focus time can be very long, when I know that infinity is quite fine. |
| 23:11.50 | SpeedEvil | I want to be able to take a pic every couple of seconds at peak. |
| 23:12.07 | SpeedEvil | And have shutter lag of well under 0.5s. |
| 23:12.26 | SpeedEvil | The existing software basically complely fails for this. |
| 23:12.43 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, which purpose, the stud detector? |
| 23:12.53 | SpeedEvil | no - OSM |
| 23:13.02 | SpeedEvil | Argh |
| 23:13.15 | SpeedEvil | Sorry - We're confusing each other again. |
| 23:13.15 | lcuk | i saw a great time lapse video taken with n900 tonight :) |
| 23:13.31 | SpeedEvil | Yes - video recording and post would actually work for the stud thing. |
| 23:13.38 | lcuk | doesnt know which software was used, but i think it was fcam lib based |
| 23:13.46 | lcuk | right, so we move past that easily |
| 23:14.20 | SpeedEvil | I was trying the stock camera sw with that stream of 80 pics, and it was annoying in so many ways |
| 23:14.53 | lcuk | ok, so you want manual shutter control or for actual automatic timelapse creation? |
| 23:15.02 | SpeedEvil | I am also contemplating doing naughty things with my I2C |
| 23:15.13 | SpeedEvil | The above openstreetview link |
| 23:15.26 | lcuk | lindi-, i see a strange large video of your desktop? |
| 23:15.28 | SpeedEvil | http://openstreetview.org/?lat=56.214969375361&lon=-3.1100133060217&zoom=14 |
| 23:15.36 | SpeedEvil | While walking - taking pics |
| 23:15.44 | SpeedEvil | for example - walk past a door - take pic of door |
| 23:15.54 | SpeedEvil | without stopping |
| 23:16.05 | SpeedEvil | I2C - compass |
| 23:16.18 | lcuk | i do that with normal cam all the time, we go places and take photos of everything |
| 23:16.29 | lcuk | me and tracy are shutterbugs |
| 23:16.55 | lcuk | we took ~300 pictures around mini village in an afternoon :) |
| 23:17.09 | lindi- | lcuk: maybe you lack the audio :) |
| 23:17.26 | lcuk | lindi-, since I am on vnc, i lack color resolution and speed also |
| 23:17.50 | lindi- | lcuk: :) |
| 23:17.58 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, closing and opening the camera takes longer |
| 23:18.04 | lcuk | but I just flick the screenlock |
| 23:18.09 | lcuk | leaving camera on |
| 23:18.09 | SpeedEvil | Ideally I'd want it so I don't actually have to stop. I want to be able to walk past a door every 5m, and take pics of every door, withot stopping. |
| 23:18.39 | SpeedEvil | And without holding the phone all the time. |
| 23:19.07 | lcuk | then look into the timelapse stuff |
| 23:19.17 | SpeedEvil | Anyway - the lack of music with shutter open is enogh of a ultimate killer that the stock is out. |
| 23:19.18 | lcuk | and a headband |
| 23:19.26 | SpeedEvil | I was thinking pocket. |
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| 23:19.32 | SpeedEvil | shirtpocket |
| 23:19.41 | lcuk | nipple pix ftw |
| 23:20.20 | SpeedEvil | :) |
| 23:20.21 | lindi- | SpeedEvil: would a car actually be easier here? |
| 23:20.32 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: It depends. |
| 23:20.40 | SpeedEvil | lindi-: A) My car is currently broken. |
| 23:20.44 | lindi- | :) |
| 23:20.45 | lcuk | i dont think a car would fit in his shirt pocket |
| 23:21.04 | SpeedEvil | B) you need quite significant cameras to be able to read doornumbers from a car which may be 20m away |
| 23:21.14 | SpeedEvil | A moving car |
| 23:21.24 | SpeedEvil | I do have a design for this - but no funding. |
| 23:22.15 | lcuk | wow i didnt think they used OCR to get street numbers |
| 23:22.20 | lcuk | more looking in the land registry |
| 23:22.31 | SpeedEvil | ? |
| 23:22.33 | lcuk | from on the go vehicles |
| 23:22.45 | SpeedEvil | openstreetview != streetview |
| 23:22.57 | SpeedEvil | One is google, the other is randoms with cameras. |
| 23:22.59 | lcuk | no, but what you just described |
| 23:23.37 | SpeedEvil | I would be quite astonished if google has not used OCR and related tech on their streetview imagery to generate maps. |
| 23:24.05 | SpeedEvil | Also - in the UK - there are copyright issues with the land registry. |
| 23:24.09 | SpeedEvil | Or at least there werre. |
| 23:24.53 | SpeedEvil | I mean - the land registry database is derived from ordnance survey. |
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| 23:26.18 | lcuk | heads to bed anyway |
| 23:26.23 | SpeedEvil1 | night |
| 23:26.27 | lcuk | SpeedEvil, cool project ideas \o |
| 23:26.30 | MohammadAG | sigh, how do I display an image with pyQt? |
| 23:26.35 | MohammadAG | night lcuk |
| 23:26.57 | lcuk | MohammadAG, see healthcheck |
| 23:27.04 | lcuk | gnite |
| 23:27.11 | MohammadAG | healthcheck doesn't display photos... |
| 23:27.14 | MohammadAG | or images |
| 23:27.18 | MohammadAG | night |
| 23:31.06 | MohammadAG | hmm, it does |
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| 23:46.38 | Meldiuz | Does anyone what is the wifi manager? I mean what is the command to restart it? |
| 23:46.40 | zokier | MohammadAG, http://codepad.org/iSbIGgrK might help you? |
| 23:47.08 | zokier | (my first qt+python app! :)) |
| 23:47.37 | MohammadAG | zokier, first app here, healthcheck's code helped :) |
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