IRC log for #maemo on 20100906

00:00.13timelessmy employer :)
00:00.47lcuknods
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00:01.31DocScrutinizertimeless: and make sure you don't enter anything to fileds 'outbound proxy' and 'username' if they need to stay empty. You can't delete later on - a bug in maemo
00:02.40timeless...
00:03.29luke-jreh
00:03.43luke-jralways uses those fields
00:04.03timelessgrumbles
00:04.16timelesshttp://topupsurprises.o2.co.uk/
00:04.27timeless*almost* works in my n900
00:04.39timelessexcept, i can't manage to click login
00:05.19lcukgets topus
00:05.25lcukyou can call a shortcode afaik
00:05.31lcuktopup surprises even
00:05.39DocScrutinizertimeless: o2 website used to not work even on my desktop for ages
00:05.53DocScrutinizeroptimized for ms explorer
00:06.23timelessoh brother
00:06.28timelessit's a flash game
00:06.33timelessand it kinda works
00:06.48timelessbut can you imagine going fishing w/ a slow fishing rod?
00:07.31lcukdare I ask, is there an optimised flash experience on any mobile
00:08.19DocScrutinizertimeless: ooh I forgot, you also usually can change port 5060 to something else, like 5070, to ship around any SIP block in a local firewall, e.g of a nasty hotel
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00:09.20luke-jrDocScrutinizer: only if the SIP provider supports another port…
00:10.26timelessthis hotel seems relatively nice
00:10.31DocScrutinizertimeless: depends on what UA actually does on that, if it chages dest and origin port, or only origin. Also depends on provider which usually allows other ports for dest. And last not least you can add :5060 to a sip URL
00:10.48timelessi mean, skype and sip and ssh all work
00:10.52DocScrutinizerat least you SHOULD be able to do this
00:10.55DocScrutinizer~2119
00:10.55infobotThe key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
00:12.09DocScrutinizertimeless: a common problem is when both sides are behind a NAT, you get the signaling but RTP audio never goes through
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00:12.31DocScrutinizersome providers do RTP relay in such a situation
00:12.36DocScrutinizerothers don't
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00:16.46timelessdoc: ...
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00:17.49timelessdid you suggest twiddling discover public address?
00:18.01timelessalso, how the heck does one test this junk?
00:18.18timelessdo i need a friend to call me a dozen times?
00:20.25timelesskills the quacking ducks
00:20.45lcuktimeless, second option for testing - use direct hotel call
00:20.46luke-jrtimeless: call yourself from another phone?
00:20.53lcukdoes it cost if you dont answer
00:21.13lcukbeds anyway o
00:21.13timelessyou mean run up a huge bill on my hotel room?
00:21.15timelesslemme think about that
00:21.28lcuk"<lcuk> does it cost if you dont answer"
00:21.28timelesssure i have a 100gbp pre auth
00:21.39timelessthat doesn't mean i want to spend it :)
00:22.14timelesslcuk: if i were them i'd charge a bit just for placing the call
00:22.46timelessactually..
00:23.14timelessi do know that in theory w/ laptops i'm supposed to be able to route inbound calls via sip for this number
00:23.26DocScrutinizer51timeless: testing is a pita
00:24.52DocScrutinizer51your best options for testing are the logs of decent UA like twinklephone, or wireshark
00:25.12timelessi have *one* n900
00:25.21timelessand one generic s40 phone
00:25.25DocScrutinizer51plus thorough knowledge about SIP
00:25.25timelessnothing else
00:25.46timelessi left my spare n900 on my couch when i rushed to catch my flight
00:26.01DocScrutinizer51timeless: hmm, call SIP from S40?
00:26.19timelessum, ?
00:26.39timelesss40 is using a roaming sim and i don't think it has wifi
00:27.07DocScrutinizer51nah, call the landline number that forwards to SIP
00:27.24timelessi only have two phone numbers... the o2 number which i want to answer the nok number
00:27.29timelessand the nok number
00:27.43timelesscalling yourself is messy
00:28.02timelessvery hard to prove it's doing the right thing
00:28.04DocScrutinizer51hmm, I see
00:28.29timelessiirc it doesn't do what you want, but tends to tripple bill and send you direct to voicemail
00:28.39DocScrutinizer51I can give you any number of testcalls, as long as you don't answer
00:28.50timelessi won't answer
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00:33.41SpeedEvilHAs anyone else had problems with the modem sometimes randomly lose the mobile signal?
00:33.56timelesslike on a TGV? :)
00:34.06SpeedEvilNo, like on a sofa.
00:34.13SpeedEvilAnd randomly.
00:34.27SpeedEvilBending the SIM socket pins out seems to have fixed it
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00:46.08androidn810anyone know where i can download android 2.2 for my n810?
00:50.21pupnik_androidn810: see the 'nitdroid' project.  i don't have url
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00:53.52androidn810pupnik_: ok, will try searching nitdroid, but is it compatible with android 2.2 and run on n810's armel arch?
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00:55.56pupnik_i don't know, but nitdroid is the name of the project porting android to maemo
00:56.08pupnik_to n900 rather
00:59.42androidn810pupnik_: i need it for the n810, not the n900
01:00.33pupnik_oh right
01:00.34pupnik_sorry
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03:10.25GeneralAntilles1Why is it every tool we use for mwkn puts up all of the roadblocks it can towards allowing us to get work done?
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03:14.30timophthey're making you think twice :)
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03:28.06GAN900First Docs was generally unreliable, then messed with their API. Now Twitter messed with their API and I can't access old tweets to work around it.
03:28.20GAN900Will be a VERY short issue this week. ;)
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03:46.05pupnik_Barack Obama gave 'permission' to General Petraeus to "Unilaterally engage in *assassination* in Afghanistan, Iraq, Pakistan, Iran, the former Russian Republics, Yemen, Somalia, Saudi Arabia, Keynia, The Horn of Aftica, and >> wherever else he deems necessary <<"
03:48.56asjpupnik_: this is #maemo, take it elsewhere, and I don't care how drunk you are today
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03:49.46pupnik_likewise asj
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04:29.48scp1I guess that nobody still havent found out how one could manage to get a decent Perl installed on a Nokia n900? It's really frustrating having to port code backwards.
04:38.22jpinx-eeepcscp1: in a chroot of debian?
04:38.31jpinx-eeepc(just a thought)
04:42.02scp1jpinx-eeepc, When I tried the debian chroot it'd no longer boot.
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04:44.16jpinx-eeepcscp1: bugger - I was going to install that todaay, but I have heard that there are issues
04:44.51jpinx-eeepcscp1: I wanted to install it and then remove most of the ridiculous stuff like gimp and OOo
04:45.57jpinx-eeepcscp1: do you mean the chroot would not boot or the phone itself was bricked?
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05:11.45scp1jpinx-eeepc, the phone was bricked. 2 hours after I bought it
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05:38.28N900sexiaananybody know why tweego was abandoned? seems to be the case a lot these days: abandonware
05:39.43N900sexisuch a shame
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05:40.43N900sexihave the devs jumped ship?
05:41.14luke-jrthat new ship looked SO much COOLER!
05:41.16luke-jrsorry
05:41.18luke-jr:p
05:41.29N900sexiwhat?
05:41.57luke-jrwe just HAD to jump ship
05:42.02luke-jrand swim to the cooler looking one
05:42.52N900sexiits pretty freaking annoying when apps stop working. fail. epic fail.
05:43.37luke-jrblaming Nokia seems to be popular
05:44.22N900sexicant blame the devs...there aint no money to be made in maemo i guess
05:45.40N900sexitweego was a half assed effort at a serious app but at least it worked. now its dead
05:45.52kirmatwitter is changing its' policies if I remember right
05:45.58N900sexiyes
05:46.09luke-jrN900sexi: jcrawford killed it.
05:46.24N900sexiwhos jcrawford?
05:46.32luke-jrno idea
05:46.51N900sexiwhats your point then?
05:47.28luke-jrno point
05:47.38luke-jrjust counter-trolling
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05:48.37N900sexitrolling? so you deny there is abandonware ?  you decide to insult instead?
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05:49.01luke-jrN900sexi: coming in here and complaining isn't going to fix it
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05:49.33N900sexiright but this is a maemo channel isnt it? cant we talk about it?
05:50.04pekujawell, it's dead, right?
05:50.23N900sexiit is...true
05:51.42N900sexii just hope nokia takes matters into their hands when n9 comes....they cant afford to have fuck ups like this
05:51.45pekujabasically, you can't really get mad about a free software developer abandoning a project. they're free to do as they please. what you can do is try to find an alternative or the pick the project up yourself
05:51.59luke-jrN900sexi: seriously, Nokia is the core of the problem
05:52.18luke-jrthey abandon Maemo, why *shouldn't* 3rd party devs do so also?
05:52.19N900sexii know
05:52.32N900sexisad
05:52.46pekujaexactly
05:53.02pekujadefinitely hasn't made me very happy about my N900 purchase
05:53.18N900sexiexactly
05:53.26pekujaI'll probably install MeeGo on it, but that's not going to be officially supported
05:53.30pekujaafaik
05:54.01N900sexibut i guess this is what we get for buying into nokia lies
05:54.16luke-jrlies? like what?
05:54.57N900sexiim sorry but abandoning N900 and its os after 8 months is a joke
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05:55.20MiXu-Who said it's being abandoned?
05:55.23luke-jrN900sexi: Nokia is paying people to port MeeGo to N900
05:55.32N900sexiand dont give me this "community support" bullshit please
05:55.38luke-jras far as Maemo… Nokia's track record is the same
05:55.47MiXu-I'm sure there'll be more updates to maemo5
05:55.49luke-jrN810 was abandoned about 8 months later IIRC
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06:23.22zokieris the source for opengl es drivers for n900 available somewhere?
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06:24.40luke-jrzokier: no
06:24.46luke-jrzokier: probably never will be
06:27.43zokierso if i think i found a bug in them, i can't do anything about it. awesome
06:28.15fragmentzokier: what kind of bug?
06:28.31luke-jrzokier: right
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06:29.19zokierfragment, glReadPixels seems to behave oddly
06:29.29zokiersegfaults or strange results
06:29.59luke-jrzokier: get a job at ImgTec, get promoted to a decision maker…
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06:39.28pekujaluke-jr, you need to be a decision maker to fix a bug?
06:39.50zokieri'd assume that nokia has access to the source, but i don't believe that they are interested in n900 anymore
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06:45.14rmrfchikoh, flame
06:45.39ShadowJKsaved by the "power on for alarm even if battery is empty" feature \o/
06:46.13zokieroh, i'm sorry... i'm just bit annoyed atm
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06:47.38sejohow do i disble the ld-mode?
06:47.40sejord-mode
06:48.43ShadowJKsort of same way you enabled it ...
06:50.12sejoyeah
06:50.16sejoslaps head
06:50.29sejoshauld have looked before asking
06:50.32sejoshould
06:51.36sejois it possible that in rdmode the keyboard lights are always on (at least the ones at the side)
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06:54.57cehtehin rd mode they blink for different events
06:55.02cehtehthats documented somewhere
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07:00.16jpinx-eeepcscp1: did you reflash it?
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07:07.31johnxgood mornin' maemo :D
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07:08.21jpinx-eeepchi johnx :)
07:08.49jpinx-eeepcI have ssh ove usb and the n900 is now using my eeepc as it's gateway;)
07:08.58johnxhot sauce
07:09.03johnxknew you could pull it off
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07:09.51jpinx-eeepcbricked it once - had to do a long battery out to recover - but didn't have to flash ;)
07:10.07achipaX-Fade: ping
07:10.54scp1jpinx-eeepc, yeah
07:11.48jpinx-eeepcscp1: and it being bricked was definitely a result of the chroot install?
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07:20.17jacekowskimorning
07:20.20scp1jpinx-eeepc, Yeah for sure. The only thing I'd done other then making the chroot was adding my friends number and changed the background.
07:20.42jpinx-eeepcdid you try again?
07:20.52scp1jpinx-eeepc, But maybe I just suck - though it told me 'SUCCESS'
07:20.55scp1Hell no :)
07:21.06scp1I almost shitted down my pants when the thing didnt boot
07:21.23jacekowskimake a backup
07:21.34jacekowskithen it's not going to be a problem
07:21.44jacekowskiit's almost impossible to brick n900 with a software
07:21.47scp1Well - what should I backup, and how? And, uh, how do I restore it?
07:21.53jacekowskiand almost means - OC
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07:22.04jacekowskithere is backup app in menu
07:22.09jacekowskibackup to memory card
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07:22.18scp1Yeah. I thought that was just crap (they usually are)
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07:22.54jacekowskino it's not
07:23.09scp1I'm not sure I need the chroot now though... I cant recall why I wanted it in the first place, hmm
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07:23.52jpinx-eeepcjacekowski: I've done it too :)
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07:24.14merlin1991scp1, when I got my n900 I had the randomly rebooting firmware that didn't boot anymore after a specific amount of reboots, wich was reached after 1 day
07:24.24scp1lol
07:24.45jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: gets all the toys :(
07:24.52scp1I'm pretty used to flashing my hardware but I've never actually bricked anything - until the n900
07:25.00jpinx-eeepcI had too make a special effort to brick mine
07:25.01scp1if you even can call that bricked
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07:25.39johnxif it comes back without a JTAG I think it wasn't bricked
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07:25.47merlin1991that brick was easy to fix though, flash to rd mode reboot porperly once and you got 21 crashboots again
07:26.11scp1I forgot the rd mode when I flashed mine >_>
07:26.26scp1Guess I'll have to reflash again
07:26.29merlin1991but I had to try 3 pcs untill I finally could flash :D
07:27.22merlin1991for some reason on 2 the flasher never recognized the phone
07:27.33scp1We're one bunch of cool guys, yes we are. Anyone experienced more girls surrounding him after he bought the n900?
07:28.04merlin1991uhm yeah 2 for about 4 seconds (quote: "uuuh you got a new phone")
07:28.13merlin1991:D
07:28.14MohammadAG51LOL
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07:28.32crashanddieand then you started with the "Yeah, it's awesome, it runs Linux"
07:28.41crashanddieAt which point they evaporated
07:28.41merlin1991I didn't even get that far :P
07:28.49jpinx-eeepcyea - until they take it in their hand and say "It's so HEAVY"
07:29.09scp1and then you replied 'and so are YOU'
07:29.10crashanddie"It has a lot of technology inside it, it has to be heavy"
07:29.32jpinx-eeepcanyway - I'll go for the chroot again
07:29.34crashanddie"And it has a big battery to accomodate for the amazing uptime... [toing Low Battery]"
07:29.37johnx"Of course it's big and heavy: It's full of awesome!"
07:29.44merlin1991LOL
07:29.47frals'size matters'
07:29.54MohammadAG51at least they all agree the vibra motor's strong
07:30.05crashanddie"It's so heavy" "Indeed, imagine that vibrating on your clit"
07:30.08merlin1991somehow this is bash.org material :D
07:30.49scp1I showed off yesterday, showing the girl I'm hitting on how I can remotely control every computer at home, showed her mutt and irssi, whereby she said 'But how do you call someone?' and I showed her ./call <number> and she was like ':C'.
07:30.49crashanddieI'm amazed there still isn't a vibrator mode on the N900
07:30.50johnxdoes bash.org still get updated? somehow all the stuff on it seem to involve references to things that are not recent ...
07:31.00koala_manbash.org hasn't had anything new in months
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07:31.21crashanddiejohnx: fancy writing an app that will vibrate specific patterns based on what texts you receive?
07:31.25scp1crashanddie, what? I have lots of vibrations
07:31.29crashanddiejohnx: the ranchier the words, the harder it vibrates
07:31.33scp1ah
07:31.34scp1:D
07:31.51crashanddiebonus points if we get text to speech included
07:32.10scp1that's very much possible
07:32.39MohammadAG51LOL, indeed
07:32.40crashanddieIf you go back home, can't find your N900, but hear a buzzing sound coming from your wife's underside, punctuated by "I want to suck on your <muffled>"
07:32.54crashanddieWell, in that case I hope you have a lawyer
07:32.56johnxcrashanddie, my wife says "That's awesome!"
07:33.07crashanddiejohnx: there's actually a dildo with a SIM card
07:33.30crashanddiejohnx: I'd hate to know the woman on which they did a "buffer overflow"
07:33.32MohammadAG51/sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator
07:33.58MohammadAG51echo 255 > /sys/class/leds/twl4030:vibrator/brightness
07:34.04MohammadAG51that's your vibra mode crashanddie
07:34.26BugBluecrashanddie: I do that all the time... *oops*
07:34.32MohammadAG51install some otheros on the N900 and feel your N900 fall apart
07:34.51crashanddiejohnx: actually, bonus points if you can get the accelerometer to detect an orgasm, and text it back to the "dude". If the other phone is an N900 too, play a sound "Mission accomplished"
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07:35.03merlin1991wonders who it was that pointed him to the glib reference manual
07:35.10crashanddieme
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07:36.00merlin1991I read through ~20% of it already, time @ the army base can be boring :P
07:36.00crashanddiemerlin1991: good on ya for not saying "who was that twat who pointed..."
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07:37.45crashanddiehaha, just had a colleague swing by my office and ask "Could you do me... [turns head as someone called her]" me: "No problem, when and where?" her: "A favour... [confused look] [blushes] nevermind"
07:38.09crashanddieI've earned Pervert Level 1 in the company
07:39.25merlin1991lol
07:39.29johnxcrashanddie, FYI, in the US that'd probably earn you a sexual harassment lawsuit
07:39.41crashanddiewhich is why I'm happy not to be in France
07:39.53crashanddies/France/the US of A/
07:40.07merlin1991If you try to get a lawsuit through for that here, the judge probably asks you if you're crazy :D
07:40.15Corsaccrashanddie: what was the original version?
07:40.36crashanddieCorsac: that was the original version
07:41.02crashanddie(those two lines look weird)
07:42.09Corsaccrashanddie: ho, didn't you were speaking english at work :)
07:42.23crashanddieCorsac: only with a couple of people
07:42.39crashanddieThey want to improve their english, I don't mind.
07:42.46merlin1991:D
07:42.56jpinx-eeepcis pretty much in English teaching mode 24/7 :/
07:43.28johnx"French: the language of love. English: the language of sexual harassment"
07:44.16merlin1991German: mostly understood as constant swearing by non speakers
07:44.44Corsaccrashanddie: yeah, I can see how you doing her is improving her tongue skills
07:44.48johnxswearing and or threats of violence
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07:45.51crashanddieCorsac: J'ai même pas encore osé faire la blague des "cours de langue"
07:45.59merlin1991was auch immer
07:46.19Corsacpff :)
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07:49.26alteregogood morning #maemo
07:49.37merlin1991morning alterego
07:50.31alteregoWow this coffee is awful :)
07:53.46merlin1991hm "Sometimes you would like to dynamically create a mutex. If you don't want to require prior calling to g_thread_init(), because your code should also be usable in non-threaded programs, you are not able to use g_mutex_new() ", wait why would I need a mutex if I'm running a non threaded program?
07:53.48MiXu-The monday-morning-coffee is what reminds you that you're at work again.
07:55.30crashanddiemerlin1991: that's only useful if the same codebase can run in multi-threaded mode or not
07:56.16crashanddiemerlin1991: for example, by default you run in single threaded mode, but have an option to enable multi-threaded
07:56.28crashanddieUseful for desktop apps considering there are so many different number of cores flying around
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08:18.18merlin1991is starting to wonder if he really wants to learn using the glib
08:18.44alteregoQt! :)
08:18.55alteregoglib is quite cool though
08:19.25merlin1991alterego, I'll learn qt too, I'm just not sure if I'm going to continue with glib :)
08:19.34merlin1991btw can anyone recommend a good bock on opengl?
08:19.43merlin1991s/bock/book
08:19.57merlin1991s/bock/book/
08:20.01merlin1991:D
08:20.16alteregoOpenGL or OpenGL ES?
08:20.34merlin1991OpenGL
08:21.41alteregoProbably "The Red Book"
08:22.22zokieri've heard that the red book teaches a lot of legacy (opengl 1.x) stuff
08:22.31alteregoIT does yes.
08:22.41zokieri'd get a book that focuses on modern opengl
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08:23.42alteregoEven though it's concentrating on GLES2, I've got a really good book on it :)
08:23.54alteregoAddison Wesley - OpenGL ES 2.0 Programming Guide
08:24.09alteregoA lot of it is transferrablel to desktop GL
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08:25.55merlin1991hm the cover isn't great ("includes iphone development") :D
08:26.07alteregoYeah, don't let that put you off ;)
08:26.12jpinx-eeepceasy-deb-chroot installed by hand ok - now getting the image and filesystem :)
08:26.36merlin1991jpinx-eeepc, I installed it with ham :)
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08:28.08jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: my internet connection is by ssh over usb to my eeepc as a gateway to the local public wifi - and the guis app man in the n900 doesn't play with that :(
08:28.49jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: but now that the basics are installed, apt-get is doing fine at sorting out the rest
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08:30.25merlin1991alterego, I ordered it on amazon
08:32.27merlin1991jpinx-eeepc, why do you need the ssh tunnel?
08:32.47jpinx-eeepclong story....
08:33.14jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: the wifi here is public unencrypted and only allows one device per username
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08:34.38merlin1991yeah, but why ssh?, why not simply route the usb0 connection into the wifi network?
08:35.13jpinx-eeepcI am running the eeepc ont he wifi -- or am I missing what you mean?
08:35.23merlin1991yeah
08:35.53merlin1991run the eeepc on the wifi, and have it nat route the n900 into the wifi
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08:36.11jpinx-eeepcover usb?
08:36.22merlin1991sure
08:36.28merlin1991I did that even with win7 :)
08:36.57jpinx-eeepcheh
08:37.20jpinx-eeepcok - can I come back later and pick your brains? I need to go outt to work now:(
08:37.21kerioKaKaRoTo: hey, Engadget is talking about you! :D
08:37.38KaKaRoTokerio, again ???
08:37.51kerioKaKaRoTo: http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/05/ps3-jailbreak-adapted-to-nokia-n900-palm-pre-in-wake-of-austral/
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08:38.18merlin1991jpinx-eeepc, sure
08:38.30KaKaRoTokerio, oh yeah, it was this morning :)
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08:38.49KaKaRoTokerio, I thought it was a new post about me since we just got it working on most HTC/android devices now :)
08:38.57kerioKaKaRoTo: you traitor :(
08:39.00KaKaRoTolol
08:39.03KaKaRoToI wrote open source code
08:39.07KaKaRoTopeople contributed
08:39.27KaKaRoTo+ to get it on the droid, they just had to do type 'make' instead of android's sdk.. no changes were required....
08:40.00KaKaRoTokerio, but for android they need to flash a new kernel :p
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08:40.04keriowhew
08:40.24kerioyou should've used as many features of the n900 as possible :<
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08:46.27alteregoUpdated Qt Creator
08:46.46crashanddieAnyone know a good C++ editor for OSX? (Compiling Linux code, though)
08:46.48merlin1991I broke mine the last time I used the updater
08:46.51crashanddieAnd don't mention Eclipse.
08:47.17alteregocrashanddie: Qt Creator? :)
08:47.25crashanddieI said C++, not Qt :P
08:47.33alteregoDoes C++, don't have to use Qt
08:48.05zokiervim, textmate, emacs?
08:48.22alteregogedit? :)
08:48.23crashanddievim is what I use at the moment
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08:59.51lpotterI use emacs in a vim window, in an emacs window
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09:16.05keesjgrrrr. the N900 really doesn't like watet at all
09:16.34keesjdid anybody sent his n900 back for repair?
09:17.19ShadowJKfew reåair water damage even for money :(
09:17.26ShadowJKrepair*
09:17.50keesjI don't care I just want at least one device that fully work.
09:18.34merlin1991did, but not for water, but a broken emmc
09:19.21keesjI stil have two devices , one with SD not working and one with WIFI not working.
09:20.03keesjI tried the drain in water + oven method and that recovered the WIFI-less one for one day and now the WIFI is not working again
09:20.27keesjthe other one the non working SD is hopeless I guess
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09:21.48jpinx-eeepccool - it's temporrarily bricked while it munches that monster chroot package download - I'll leave it and come back after work
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09:22.38ShadowJKkeesj, have you heard of the "drain in ethanold + oven" method? :-)
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09:24.15LODhey
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09:25.24LODXchat for N900 stops to work today for me with no reason it seems :( internal error when auth ; any idea to solve that ?
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09:26.45jpinx-eeepcLOD: use irssi ;)
09:26.56LODI like Xchat a lot
09:27.03LODbut maybe a solution yes
09:27.10keesjethanol will probably dilue the stiker that holds the keyboard
09:27.17jpinx-eeepcI like paris hilton a lot :)
09:27.29LODhehe :D
09:28.00keesjscreen + irssi is really the only "great" solution for chatting I know of. but perhaps there are good irc relay's that can connect to xchat
09:28.17jpinx-eeepckeesj: add bitlbee
09:29.23bleaderapparently Quassel IRC works with a client/server to allow the same kind of thing as screen, but I never tried it myself
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09:52.18MNZmorning folks
09:53.16marmoutegug
09:57.03LODok, solved, Ive deleted all setting files and it runs again, thank you bye
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09:59.42lcukmorning MNZ and #maemo in general
09:59.54soltysmorning
10:00.22danielwilmsmorning lcuk
10:01.29lcukhey danielwilms \o
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10:02.07lcukI thought about your running exploits when I read this, thankfully I don't think your technology failed like this  http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-bristol-11191700
10:03.02danielwilmsuhhhh
10:03.09danielwilmsthat sounds bad :)
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10:03.35lcukdanielwilms, its a lot of extra work, makes you wonder how marathons used to be timed before electronic tagging!
10:04.04danielwilmshehe...I run smaller marathons, and there they are having paperlists
10:04.16danielwilmsand 2-3 guys counting the laps
10:04.34danielwilmsbut there are mostly <50 participants
10:06.17lcukyeah
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10:38.10TTilus# apt-get install sharing-service-evernote just says "E: Handler silently failed"
10:38.21TTiluswhats going on?
10:39.05lcukTTilus, does it install from ham
10:39.20TTiluswill try
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10:40.10Khertan_Morning all !
10:40.14Khertan_crashanddie: ping
10:40.32crashanddieKhertan_: pong
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10:40.41crashanddieKhertan_: t'as de la chance, je viens de revenir au bureau
10:40.49Khertan_:)
10:40.57Khertan_j'ai besoin de ton aide avec des regex
10:41.02Khertan_je me galere comme un porc
10:41.07TTiluslcuk: umm, it is not even listed in ham, or im being blind
10:41.34lcukhmm TTilus
10:43.14meceKhertan_: hey
10:43.23meceKhertan_: khteditor 0.4 seems broken
10:44.07Khertan_mece: you lie :)
10:44.13Khertan_mece: what is broken ?
10:45.41Khertan_mece: for information i'm currently working on hilighting natively other language instead of using pygments
10:46.14Khertan_mece: this is why i ask help to crashanddie as i've some problem with regexp :)
10:46.43merlin1991okay I've read trough most of the glib documentation, now I only have to read the gio and gobject one too untill I can start working on my program, yay :/
10:48.10MNZmerlin1991, what's your program?
10:48.52merlin1991xfire protocal for telepathy
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11:00.19merlin1991hm is libgio merged into glib on maemo? because pkg-config --cflags gio-2.0 in scratchbox returns -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
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11:00.50ruskiemerlin1991, I thought it was part of glib2 everywhere
11:01.05ruskiedoes the same on any other normal desktop system I use
11:01.25merlin1991hm on my ubuntu it does this instead: -I/usr/include/glib-2.0 -I/usr/lib/glib-2.0/include
11:01.51ruskieerm...
11:01.57ruskieand there's a difference where exactly?
11:02.05merlin1991that I failed to copy
11:02.06merlin1991:D
11:02.26ruskieanyway a lot of distros tend to patch  ton of stuff around
11:02.31ruskiejust grab an upstream copy and examine
11:03.47TTiluslcuk: damn!  "package has been removed"
11:03.49TTilushttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_nokia-applications_explicit_armel/sharing-service-evernote/0.5.0/
11:04.05TTilushow does it still show up on apt-cache search?
11:04.15ruskiewhen was the last time you ran an apt-get update?
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11:04.19crashanddiebecause it's a cache?
11:04.24TTilusabout 25 seconds ago
11:05.02TTiluscrashanddie: i flashed PR1.2 two weeks ago, the package has been removed last spring
11:05.02ruskieand you can verify it's not in the distro pages and that the packages have been regeneretade etc???
11:05.21TTilusruskie: how do i do that?
11:05.50ruskiecheck on repository.maemo.org iirc
11:06.32ruskiealso it would show it if it's installed
11:06.40ruskieI think
11:06.45MohammadAG51If osso = open source software operations, how the f was bug 5549 wonfix'd
11:06.46povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5549 libosso-abook should be open source
11:08.47ruskieMohammadAG51, clearly states they don't want to touch anything maemo related anymore
11:09.26kkeso anyone thinking about adding vibration and perhaps raise a notify on ctrl-g bell to xterm?
11:09.30kkethat would be great
11:09.32TTilusruskie: umm, can't find evernote sharing plugin in http://repository.maemo.org/
11:10.57ruskiewell as said... could be due to you having it installed or the Packages file not yet being regenerated
11:14.56TTilusany way to find out why it was removed?
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11:20.10TTilusoh my, evernote sharing plugin lives now in ovi store
11:20.22ruskiethat explains why it was removed ;)
11:21.26TTiluskinda
11:21.51TTilusbut afaik i should still be able to ham (or apt-get) it
11:21.59ruskiethey fixed that iirc
11:22.24TTiluswhy else would i have ovi listed in my sourcers
11:22.30TTilusruskie: "fixed"?
11:22.33TTiluswhat?
11:22.54ruskieyou can't get stuff from ovi store unless you actually use the ovi store to get them
11:23.07TTilusapparently neither ham nor apt-get from ovi does not work for me
11:23.19ruskieit was possible to bypass payment through apt-get
11:23.24TTilus:D
11:23.32ruskieas said... it got fixed
11:23.45TTilusand what i see is the fixed  :D
11:23.58TTilus..functionality
11:24.09TTilusdysfunctionality ;)
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11:27.08hrwrmrfchik: how goes vexed?
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11:38.28psycho_oreoswho here knows about kernel compiling/customising for n900? I'm trying to look for the section where it allows one to enable screen rotation based of accelerometer, for some reason it was working on a standard titan's kernel but when one customises the config it doesn't
11:39.22alteregoSounds like you might have lost the accelerometer driver somewhere.
11:39.32alteregocheck your .config
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11:39.42SpeedEvilpsycho_oreos: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Accelerometer
11:39.58SpeedEvilcat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord
11:40.21SpeedEvilIf that file - or the directory it's in ispresent, then thedriver is enabled.
11:40.54psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, ahh ta :)
11:41.23alteregoiPlayer looks nicer now.
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11:42.31SpeedEvilI just use get_iplayer
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11:52.40pupnikhttp://creativetone.deviantart.com/#/d2vuihx  Mypaint + Nokia N900 painting (!)
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11:53.27mecehey about mypaint, how does one get a file format one can use?
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11:57.26ech0Asusmornin all
11:57.31mece'ello
11:58.19merlin1991hey
11:58.25SpeedEvilho
11:58.35ech0Asusso whats everyone up to today?
11:58.49psycho_oreos<< kernel compiling for n900
11:59.31kerio<< playing sauerbraten
11:59.36ech0Asusi'm pulling 250kbs downstream on tmobile 10$ a month 3g lol
12:00.03ech0Asusbut i'm also on the 3rd story of a hotel
12:00.17obsidiethfaster than my dsl.
12:00.19keriowait, 250KB/s is a lot?
12:00.28ech0Asusyea its goin fast man lol
12:00.33psycho_oreoshow much quota will $10 a month get you?
12:00.34kerio600-700 is normal around here :|
12:00.35bleaderKb or KB is quite different
12:00.39ech0Asusi get unlimited
12:00.41kerioand i mean KB/s
12:00.51bleaderover 3G ?
12:00.57kerioyeah
12:00.57MNZkerio, as in KiloBYTE ?
12:01.00ech0Asusyea i'm on 3g
12:01.01keriokilobyte
12:01.02kerioyu
12:01.02keriop
12:01.07obsidieth250KiB is not unusual for 3g.
12:01.14psycho_oreosd*mn thats good, here its never unlimited for 3G
12:01.19keriohsdpa rules
12:01.23obsidieththe bandwidth is heavily metred here.
12:01.32ech0Asusthis service plan only works with nokia n900 lol
12:01.52DocScrutinizero/
12:01.58MohammadAG51is there any way to use the N900 as a BT headset?
12:02.07MohammadAG51o hai DocScrutinizer
12:02.40DocScrutinizerrcnetwork force-reload :-S
12:02.41MNZ\o DocScrutinizer
12:02.45psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, dunno but I suppose you could switch the roles of the bluetooth to be slave, getting the stuff to work properly probably requires some apps
12:03.24DocScrutinizer(there's definitely anotehr few bugs in linux :-P)
12:03.56psycho_oreosthere's always bugs, its built for humans by humans :p
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12:05.46keriopsycho_oreos: you'd just need a A2DP "server"
12:05.50kerioor HFP
12:06.33psycho_oreoskerio, heh I'm pretty clueless on that, sure its possible just need the right apps like I said :)
12:06.51keriowell, yeah
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12:07.31keriobut why would you
12:07.36psycho_oreosthinks its a little rather unusual one tries to turn n900 into bt headset lol maybe doing it on budget
12:07.36keriosince the audio system of the n900 kinda sucks atm?
12:07.58psycho_oreoswell it is based on pulseaudio so ... ;D
12:08.07kerioa pair of bluetooth headphones (stereo) costs about 50€ anyway
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12:08.42kerioi bought one pair, sony dr-bt100cx
12:08.46keriothey work nicely
12:08.54psycho_oreosI got myself that bh-905
12:10.06kerioi wear glasses, i can't wear those kind of headphones
12:10.09kerioi need earbuds
12:10.34keriosadly
12:10.55psycho_oreosheh I wear glasses as well, and I was hoping it would be as big as a studio monitor type headphones, unfortunately it just sits on top of my ears... loosely
12:11.16keriothose bt100cx have a clip that holds mic and buttons
12:11.43MohammadAG51psycho_oreos, nah, i just need 4 BT mics and i'm not going to buy one for a one day thing :P
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12:12.39psycho_oreosMohammadAG51, ah
12:12.39keriowhich sadly, doesn't work really well for tshirts
12:13.26kerioMohammadAG51: a2dp?
12:13.29keriohfp?
12:13.30keriohsp?
12:13.41keriono, wait, a2dp is only listening
12:13.51keriobt mics suck dude
12:14.18psycho_oreoshsp probably requires both headphone and mic hardware imo
12:14.26alteregoHrm
12:14.52keriopsycho_oreos: hey, what do you know
12:14.57keriothe n900 has a speaker and a mic
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12:15.14psycho_oreoskerio, yup because it has phone capability afterall :)
12:15.21kerioit's not a phone ;_;
12:15.28kerioit's a NIT
12:15.40keriofeels superior to all those people having smartphones
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12:16.02psycho_oreosI didn't say it was a phone, I said it has phone capability lol
12:16.11psycho_oreosalbeit feeble -_-
12:17.11ech0Asusso its officially a "NIT"?
12:17.33psycho_oreosand yes I'm happy to still own my very own n900, looks bulky for a phone but otherwise it packs some seriously decent hardware (except broadcrap bt and puny battery) plus all the flexibility you want from an embedded device more or less
12:17.37BCMMwhat does that stand for?
12:17.46kerionokia internet tablet
12:18.12ech0Asuslol
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12:18.21BCMMand do they know that, at least in en_GB, a "nit" is a headlouse's egg?
12:18.32ech0Asusi just call it my computer
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12:18.57psycho_oreosso nitdroid would be headlouse's egg droid? ;)
12:19.14BCMMi've found myself interchangebly referring to it as my "phone", "computer" or "camera", without really meaning to
12:19.19ech0Asusits got a processor.. ram.. ssd.. it's a computer lol
12:19.30kerioit's not a smartphone it's a dumbputer
12:19.33djszapiHi, can I have a workaround if I would not like to install debian related distribution on my PC to work with maemo and meego debian packages that are not available in open source format ? I am using archlinux currently.
12:19.48psycho_oreosinternet tablet/tablet is meant to have a processor and RAM, etc lol
12:19.49keriodjszapi: vm?
12:19.51BCMMwashing machines are computers too, but they don't make it easy to run whatever you want on them
12:19.59djszapikerio: what's the sense of that ?
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12:20.05keriovirtual machine
12:20.09djszapikerio: what's the sense of that ?
12:20.09BCMMtherefore, the n900 is a proper computer, and the iPhone is a washing machine
12:20.19kerioBCMM: i <3 u
12:20.23djszapiI thought of rebuilding apt-get from source
12:20.24BCMMkerio: thx
12:20.30djszapior providing a debian chroot.
12:20.35ech0Asusagree with BCMM...
12:20.37djszapivm is out of the question of course.
12:20.54ech0Asusi heard u can dosbox 98..
12:21.09psycho_oreosthere was a website to prove it
12:21.17psycho_oreoserr win95 on n900
12:21.29BCMM"computer appliances" upset me in any context, tbh
12:21.35BCMMseems like a dreadful waste of resources
12:21.37ech0Asusyea maybe for some games but really? why go threw that
12:21.54psycho_oreossome people do it to show off I suppose
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12:22.45BCMMi mean, even stuff like linux-based NAS boxen that don't make it easy to run random server software they weren't designed for upset me a bit
12:23.25kerioBCMM: that's why you buy a sheevaplug
12:23.32psycho_oreosn900 to me is more of internet tablet with phone capability, sure its doesn't have the best of both worlds but at least its all in one for that purpose
12:23.47MohammadAG51i don't need the speakers, i only need the mic on the N900 to be a BT mic :)
12:24.08psycho_oreoslol rip the mic out ;)
12:24.17psycho_oreos</stupid_joke>
12:24.31ech0Asusi owned the n800 and n810 before the n900 so i'm strait without the phone part lol. i got an old sim card months expired that i still leach tmobile 3g from..
12:25.23ech0Asusi skype on that connection too without issue usually
12:25.27pupnikcool
12:25.29psycho_oreosn900 is the first nit I've ever owned, and its quite a shame maemo is going to be unsupported soon
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12:26.20MohammadAG51if only apple had maemo and kept it open...
12:26.43psycho_oreosmy requirements was a linux phone but not like android, and out came the decision of maemo
12:27.03DocScrutinizerech0Asus: waitwaitwait, you run data over an expired SIM?
12:27.06psycho_oreosapple is kinda like oracle, turning open stuff into proprietary :p
12:27.15ech0Asusyes i run data over an expired sim lol
12:27.32DocScrutinizerech0Asus: what's your def of expired then?
12:27.35ech0Asusi'm pullin 250kbs downstream now
12:27.52psycho_oreosprobably when the service is fully disconnected and he doesn't get any signal/coverage
12:27.52ech0Asusexp is i got a prepaid tmo account then didn't pay the next month or any month after?
12:27.54psycho_oreoslol
12:28.01ech0Asusno more minutes.. can't call anyone..
12:28.10ech0Asusno one can call me..
12:28.11pupniknice
12:28.16pupnikwow
12:28.22ech0Asusbut 3g works
12:28.38pupniklittle loophole there :)
12:28.45ech0Asusand i pay nothing and seems to still be goin
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12:28.47DocScrutinizerech0Asus: for free??
12:28.54pupnikfor the record tschibo/o2 stop the data service
12:28.58MohammadAG51LOL @ retarded operator
12:29.13pupniktchibo
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12:29.19ech0Asusi skype perfectly on it..
12:29.32MohammadAG51clone the sim
12:29.34MohammadAG51CLONE IT
12:29.41ech0Asushaha
12:29.43MNZI WANT TMOBILE
12:29.58MohammadAG51hmm
12:30.04MohammadAG51i wonder if roaming works
12:30.07psycho_oreosI want that unlimited 3G cap
12:30.32ech0Asusi had bought the unlimited 3g prepaid was like 100$ for first month then paid nothing else on the account again.
12:30.42ech0Asuswas with the phone thing
12:30.47ech0Asusunlimited calling and text
12:31.03DocScrutinizerincredible
12:31.36mgedminis going to Germany for a week and wondering about 3g options
12:31.39kerioMNZ: pff
12:31.45ech0Asusgot joikuspot and i share with my netbook which i'm on now
12:32.02DocScrutinizerech0Asus: NEVER!!!!!! call the hotline, what ever problem you face! also NEVER pay anything to that card! :-P
12:32.02ech0Asusstreaming music from last.fm and talkin on xchat on my netbook
12:32.20ech0Asusnope never goin to pay anything on this card lol
12:32.43ech0Asusi got a cricket phone i pay 30 a month for
12:32.56ech0Asusumlimited lol
12:33.00kerioin italy you just buy a bunch of anonymous, prepaid sim cards and connect with them until they reach -4000€
12:33.03keriothen you throw them away
12:33.44kerioi mean, nowadays anonymous sim cards cost a lot
12:33.46keriobut still
12:33.59MNZech0Asus, are you sure you can't clone? pretty please?
12:34.02DocScrutinizerkerio: in italy you also have your elctricity meters hanging head down, and a knife in every gas meter
12:34.39kerionah, we don't :(
12:34.56lcuksends mail to tracy about kylie tickets
12:35.08keriobut the slightly older model of electricity meter can be reprogrammed with a IR port to get to 6KW instead of 3
12:35.11keriowithout paying more
12:35.26kerioalso, stealing electricity is dumb
12:35.28kerioyou can't store it
12:35.34SpeedEvilkerio: yes you can
12:35.43SpeedEvilkerio: In the form of pot.
12:35.43MNZyou definitely can!
12:35.50keriohow? buying loads of batteries?
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12:36.08MNZno, just one big ass battery
12:36.11SpeedEvilLarge lamps + plants = solid electricity!
12:36.12merlin1991kerio, pumping water up a mountain, and have a turbine ready when you need it :D
12:36.19keriolol
12:36.22BCMMloads of batteries is the same thing as one big battery
12:36.26MNZlike the stuff used for solar panels
12:36.45BCMMalso, pumping water up and then letting it run through a turbine is actually a real energy storage thing that people actually do
12:36.52merlin1991yeah
12:36.54DocScrutinizerkerio: reprogram wut?` 3kW -> 6kW???
12:36.57merlin1991loads of that shit here in austria
12:36.59DocScrutinizerwhat's that??
12:37.02SpeedEvilBCMM: Well - not really.
12:37.09SpeedEvilBCMM: It doesn't work on an individual scale.
12:37.09BCMMSpeedEvil: which bit?
12:37.13kerioDocScrutinizer: the standard limit is 3kwh
12:37.21kerioif you want more, you have to pay a lot more
12:37.22BCMMyeah, it's not something people do to power their homes
12:37.28SpeedEvilBCMM: A ton of water raised 1m stores the same energy as a n900 battery
12:37.46DocScrutinizerkerio: sorry don't get it
12:37.49SpeedEvilkerio: 'the limit is 3kwh' - per day?
12:37.50BCMMbut there are people operating hydro dams that work by pumping water up using off-peak electricity and then letting it down to sell peak-time electricity
12:38.00mgedminso if you're in a desert, and have your n900 with you, you just dig a 1m deep hole and you're alright?
12:38.01kerioSpeedEvil: huh
12:38.02kerioper.. hour?
12:38.04keriokw/h
12:38.05BCMMSpeedEvil: heh, that's cool
12:38.10MohammadAG51hmm
12:38.16MohammadAG51grub isn't starting :/
12:38.22SpeedEvilkerio: 3Kwh/h = 3Kw silly person.
12:38.34DocScrutinizerkerio: yur meters break circuit when >3000W ?
12:38.35MNZlol @ mgedmin
12:38.41kerioyeah
12:39.00keriowell, it's not exactly 3000
12:39.03keriothere's some tolerance
12:39.14DocScrutinizerW*T*F??!
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12:39.23keriowhy would you need more than 3kW
12:39.36SpeedEvilkerio: Are you charged on the basis of peak power?
12:39.42DocScrutinizermy warm water takes 24kW
12:39.46SpeedEvilkerio: Or is it an additional price.
12:39.54SpeedEvilkerio: Per KWh
12:39.55psycho_oreosis there a way for one to repack a deb file adding another file into it but retaining the same information of the deb file?
12:39.59kerioSpeedEvil: we're charged per kwh
12:40.01kerioperiod
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12:40.10SpeedEvilkerio: So why the 3/6kw ?
12:40.22kerioso you can run more stuff at the same time
12:40.38DocScrutinizerkommi deficit economy
12:40.39keriothink washing machine + a/c + oven
12:40.40merlin1991kerio, more than 3kw, sauna?
12:40.48keriomerlin1991: haha, no
12:40.50DocScrutinizernah wait berlusconi isn't a kommi
12:40.55keriowe actually have the sun here
12:41.00SpeedEvilmerlin: A fridge/freezer will peak at 1KWh
12:41.14SpeedEvilmerlin: for a second or so on startup.
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12:41.41BCMMwhile checking SpeedEvil's claim on Wolfram Alpha: "Assuming "mAh" is a unit | Use as a deity instead"
12:41.42meceyo
12:41.44mecesooo..
12:41.50mecepptp on N900 doable?
12:42.18DocScrutinizeris puzzled, as here in Germany >95% of elctricity meters are still classic mechanical type
12:42.27merlin1991DocScrutinizer, here too
12:42.33MNZhere too
12:43.27kerioDocScrutinizer: yeah, we had those
12:43.33keriowe still have, but the new meters are more precise
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12:43.48DocScrutinizerand nasty :-P
12:43.51kerioyeah
12:44.07kerionah, the latest model is not easily configurable
12:44.07SpeedEvilerr
12:44.08kerio:(
12:44.09SpeedEvilSigh
12:44.12SpeedEvil'will peak at 1Kw'
12:44.14SpeedEvilI'm tired.
12:44.50DocScrutinizerI'm not awake
12:44.58kerioare you typing in your sleep?
12:44.58kerio:o
12:45.07DocScrutinizeryep
12:45.14keriocool
12:45.15merlin1991I'm in the army atm, so basically braindead :D
12:45.53DocScrutinizerkerio: like a dolphin, half of brain is idle
12:46.45BCMMphysicist rage... "This long-lasting, lightweight Li-Ion battery gives you 1320 mAh of power"
12:46.55BCMMthrows things at Nokia Europe
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12:47.11merlin1991damn it, I forgot to enable logging on this client
12:47.14DocScrutinizereh?
12:47.35BCMMnot a power, and not even an energy (the actually useful number) without the voltage
12:47.53DocScrutinizerok
12:48.13keriohehe
12:48.32keriovoltage goes down over time though, doesn't it
12:48.35MohammadAGmerlin1991, #maemo is logged
12:48.49ShadikkaI think it has an implied "at the battery's nominal voltage".
12:49.05BCMMkerio: slightly, but it's nominally a 3.7V battery, and once it drops substantially, you need to recharge
12:49.15merlin1991MohammadAG, yeah, but it's easier to grep trough local files
12:49.28BCMMthe problem is that a number in mAh doesn't actually tell you how much energy there is in the battery, at all
12:49.42BCMMi presume the reason it's a standard is that it's good for comparing car batteries, since cars are basically all 12V
12:49.49Shadikkayeah :P
12:50.19BCMMand the other problem is that they call the number they're using as a poor proxy for energy storage "power"
12:50.48DocScrutinizerBCMM: for tools they brag with "this has a 7 cell battery" and "this even has 8  cells"
12:50.54DocScrutinizerhow silly is THAT?
12:51.05BCMMslightly less silly, but still silly
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12:52.06DocScrutinizerbut, but...
12:52.17zokiersome manufacturers tell battery capacities in Wh, which is bit more reasonable
12:52.35DocScrutinizeractually all do, *somewhere*
12:52.44mgedminall laptop batteries I've seen report mWh
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12:52.56psycho_oreosSpeedEvil, weird for some reason microB still doesn't offer portrait web browsing even though I have the device driver compiled into the kernel, I have tested the line that you have pasted and it does output co-ordinates, using AccDisplay I could see that the accelerometer is working however it seems like microB still refuses to rotate :/
12:53.07mgedminexcept the one in my Asus EeePC abuses that field to report percentage
12:53.39SpeedEvilUmm - I don't think microb does by default rotati
12:53.42SpeedEvilrotate
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12:53.52SpeedEvilI'm not sure it can with accel.
12:54.18psycho_oreoswell normally it can, on stock PR1.2 kernel along with precompiled titan's power kernel it does
12:54.44merlin1991microb never rotated for me
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12:55.02fluxpsycho_oreos, did you also enable it from the settings?
12:55.16BCMMit is definitely off by default
12:55.17fluxpsycho_oreos, or is that the issue, it doesn't provide the option?
12:55.19psycho_oreosflux, just checked that *slaps forehead*
12:55.33BCMMactually, my microb seems to forget most of it's data about once a week
12:55.35psycho_oreosflux, yeah I didn't enable it *duh* of all the things
12:55.41BCMMbookmarks stay, but it loses history and settings
12:55.53BCMM(including rotation)
12:55.55psycho_oreosmerlin1991, looks like its the settings
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12:55.58BCMManyone else get that?
12:56.27psycho_oreosI may have an issue with the settings, I don't know about the history, lemme check
12:56.42merlin1991psycho_oreos, yes it's in the settings, I just enabled it
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12:57.58merlin1991uh oh, the ball bearing of my notebook fan just started to change it's noise in a bad way
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12:58.34psycho_oreosBCMM, I didn't lose the complete browsing history however anything past a week in the history is truncated (I guess its to save space) but sometimes browsing back pages using the swipe function does not go to whichever page I point to at times
12:58.42psycho_oreosmerlin1991, still no rotation?
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12:58.49BCMMhmm
12:58.59merlin1991psycho_oreos, now I have rotation
12:58.59BCMMfor me, it definitely loses settings
12:59.06BCMMsince rotation gets disabled and it start starting up fullscreen again
12:59.10psycho_oreosmerlin1991, hehe :)
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13:00.53psycho_oreosBCMM, weird, I know in the past I used to have rotation enabled but I've done lots and lots of kernel flashing since then.. some of the experimental features I've enabled caused my n900 to reboot several times and to lose its previous settings.. I've noticed my hildon-desktop at one stage lost all of the shortcuts, widgets that I have placed, thinking back now about it, I think the portrait mode browsing may have been disabled since then
13:02.23merlin1991hm easiest way to check cpu temp on ubuntu?
13:02.41psycho_oreoslmsensors + gkrellm
13:02.56zokiercat /proc/acpi/thermal_zone/THM0/temperature
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13:03.03zokieror something equivalent
13:03.35merlin1991thx zokier
13:04.28merlin199143C, should be ok
13:04.39luke-jrpekuja: you need to be a decision maker, to open source the driver
13:04.58pekujaluke-jr, right
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13:06.33dnearyHi all
13:06.39dnearyJaffa_, Ping?
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13:18.44Chibi-Taigahumm can anyone help me to install unzip? cuz it keep failing
13:20.50Aranelwhat's wrong with python-Imaging? I'm installing openwatch (depends on python-Imaging) but it seems package manager is really confused about case-sensitivity (python-imaging and Imaging)
13:22.14mgedminDebian package names are (supposed to be) all-lowercase
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13:22.49rmrfchikChibi-Taiga: what error?
13:22.50mgedminsome tools force names to lowercase, some don't mangle names -> so if you name a package using mixed case, things break
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13:31.10Chibi-Taigahow do i copy/paste from webrowser to xchat on n900
13:32.20ieatlintgo into cursor mode, select text, ctrl+c, then in xchat ctrl+v
13:33.17alteregoHrm, contemplating using gconf over QSettings ..
13:33.25FrieTMNZ: got the stuff ?:)
13:33.52MNZFrieT, yup, and it's not nearly as complicated as I originally thought :D
13:33.58ieatlintif you don't know what i mean by cursor mode, see http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures#Web_Browser_Gestures (labelled hover mode there)
13:33.58FrieTwow
13:34.03MNZquite a bit more
13:34.06FrieTyou downloaded ànd read it already?
13:34.13FrieTbows
13:34.23MNZI think you missed the last message
13:34.27MNZ<MNZ> quite a bit more
13:34.30FrieTwelll
13:34.34FrieT"started to read"
13:34.45FrieTseriously i'm barely past my morning coffee and replacing some faulty disks:P
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13:34.59Chibi-Taigahttp://a.imageshack.us/img26/8387/screenshot2010090615054.png
13:35.05Chibi-Taigathat error
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13:36.11keriohi all
13:36.17keriohow do i set up a bluetooth keyboard?
13:36.22ieatlintChibi-Taiga: try manually specifying the dependencies?
13:36.33Chibi-Taigahuh?
13:36.53ieatlinteg, "apt-get install libsdl-ttf2.0"
13:36.59ieatlintfor each of the packages listed
13:37.09Chibi-Taigaok ill try
13:39.15ieatlintkerio: http://wiki.maemo.org/Fremantle_Unsupported_Bluetooth_profiles#Bluetooth_Keyboard might help
13:39.23ieatlintgood start at least
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13:40.43Chibi-Taigano luck
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13:40.54Chibi-Taigaalso tryed -f
13:40.59ieatlintwhat error?
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13:42.06Chibi-Taigahttp://img827.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090615074.png/
13:43.54ieatlintthat would imply that the dependencies are in fact installed, but there's inconsistencies with the names
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13:44.14ieatlintlike "libSDL_ttf2.0" instead of "libsdl-ttf2.0"
13:44.34Chibi-Taigauhm k...
13:45.04Chibi-Taigawhat can i do about it?
13:45.39ieatlinthrm.. i'm not typically a debian user, but there should be a switch to ignore dependencies
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13:46.21Chibi-Taigak
13:46.29ieatlint"--ignore-missing" maybe
13:46.52MohammadAGgrr, can't ssh locally
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13:47.19ieatlintthe problem seems to be that you have the dependencies installed, but from different packages than what freeciv thinks they should be in.  apt won't install the dependencies named by freeciv because the clobber the already installed dependencies
13:47.33Chibi-Taigauhm i can try
13:47.36ieatlintso it *might* work to just ignore dependency requisites, and install the package
13:47.37Chibi-Taigai see
13:48.56Chibi-Taigaohwell
13:49.00ieatlintisn't linux fun?
13:49.08Chibi-Taiganot at all
13:49.15ieatlint:(
13:49.26kerioit's the package's fault
13:49.31kerioor rather, the maintainer's
13:49.39ieatlintprobably
13:49.41Chibi-Taigaignore-missing dont work
13:50.23ieatlintuh, i don't know apt well enough... there should be some sort of force switch, but dunno
13:51.15Chibi-Taigaim a windows nob so i have no clue eighter
13:51.43ieatlinti'm a gentoo guy
13:51.50Ken-YoungDoes anyone know how to make Maemo 5 rebuild all the thumbnail images shown by the "Photos" app?
13:52.03kerioChibi-Taiga: are you installing a local package?
13:52.22kerioif not, wget it, and use dpkg --force -i package.deb
13:52.59Chibi-Taigawget?
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13:53.25MNZKen-Young, my guess would be "rm -rf /home/user/.thumbnails/*" but then again, I'm only guessing
13:53.29Chibi-Taiganot local i think
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13:53.34tank-manwget it, means download it
13:53.54Ken-YoungMNZ, Thanks, I'll try that (I'll just rename it, though).
13:53.59Chibi-Taigaapt-get install unzip
13:54.05Chibi-Taigais what i do
13:54.12MNZKen-Young, yeah, better safe than sorry
13:54.36ieatlintwget is a standard utility on *nix systems to download files -- eg, "wget http://something.com/file.zip"
13:54.58Chibi-Taigao.o?
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13:55.49Chibi-Taigaso i do wget install unzip?
13:56.09ieatlintuh, does "apt-get install unzip" not work?
13:56.28Chibi-Taigano it give the errors like ishowed
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13:57.00kerioChibi-Taiga: just zip, i think
13:57.10keriobut i don't remember installing it, so it's possibly already installed
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13:58.43Ken-YoungMNZ, That worked.   Thanks again.
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14:03.07Chibi-Taigaif i wanna unzip something i get "unzip:not found"
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14:09.39kerioChibi-Taiga: apt-cache search unzip
14:10.03mgedminChibi-Taiga, if you have Python installed, you can use python -m zipfile -e your.zip .
14:12.04Chibi-Taigahumm i remember installing python complete pack or something
14:12.46Chibi-Taigabut i dont see a gui like on s60v3 n82
14:13.40psycho_oreosthat's probably because symbian is not like linux where everything must be GUI
14:13.45psycho_oreos:p
14:14.02Chibi-Taigaso how do i ryun python
14:14.20hrwrmrfchik: how goes vexed?
14:14.42psycho_oreosyou need to install python packages?
14:14.56Chibi-Taigaok i go do that brb
14:15.00dnearyIs there a bot here that supports "seen"?
14:15.12dnearyI'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel
14:15.44ToJa92[dneary]: I think you can write ~seen <nick> here
14:15.50mgedminpovbot, seen dneary
14:15.50povbotmgedmin: dneary was last seen in #maemo 37 seconds ago: <dneary> I'd like to know the last time someone was active in-channel
14:15.53ToJa92only works for this channel though IIRC
14:15.54mgedminthere you are
14:16.14dnearymgedmin, ToJa92: Hvala
14:16.25Chibi-Taigapyqt4 full install i have installed
14:16.32GAN900dneary, I know Jaffa was away yesterday, dunno if he's back yet.
14:16.49dnearyGAN900, Any other council people active ATM?
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14:17.14GAN900Me?
14:17.36GAN900Nobody else is really on IRC.
14:17.37dnearyGAN900, How about you? Perhaps announce a Maemo team meeting for next Tuesday, if it's too short notice for tomorrow?
14:18.04GAN900Probably too short for tomorrow, compounded by the US holiday.
14:18.12dnearyUS holiday?
14:18.14crashanddieGAN900: no, he's not back yet
14:18.22crashanddieGAN900: he just tweeted that he's still at legoland.
14:18.49GAN900dneary, Labor Day
14:19.00crashanddieLabour**
14:19.01crashanddie:P
14:19.04Chibi-Taigaso whatmdo i need more for python
14:19.14Chibi-Taigawhat do*
14:19.29dnearyGAN900, The US doesn't celebrate its workers on May 1st with the rest of the world?
14:19.49dnearyAnd I'm with crashanddie on the u.
14:20.57ieatlintno, may day is not a holiday in the US
14:21.06rmrfchikhrw: damn, i'm running out of time. too many work.
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14:21.24rmrfchikhrw: i'm figthing with orientation now
14:21.32Chibi-Taigaguys what are python packages called?
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14:22.22MohammadAGpython packages :P
14:22.36MohammadAGpython2.5-*?
14:22.39hrwrmrfchik: changing layout of UI?
14:22.46GAN900dneary, rm -rf en_GB
14:23.10keriodneary: well, they hate communists
14:23.17GAN900Amen.
14:23.34keriomay day was invented by the second international
14:23.41rmrfchikhrw: yes. seems like I know how to catch the orientation changing and relayouting. But now program crahes on exit
14:23.44rmrfchik*** glibc detected *** qexed: free(): invalid pointer: 0x001ff3b0 ***
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14:23.53GAN900dneary, drafting the email.
14:23.56rmrfchikafter l->removeItem; l->addItem
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14:24.11_trinecan anyone tell me the name and where to get an app to record audio
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14:24.20_trineon the n900
14:24.34ieatlintbetter dead than red
14:24.37hrwrmrfchik: add checks for items.count()?
14:24.40djszapihttp://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html
14:24.48dnearykewl
14:24.50rmrfchikahh... may be i shouldn't use *item functions
14:24.51rmrfchiksec
14:24.57kerio_trine: recaller
14:25.11dneary_trine, audacity, for example?
14:25.12_trinethanks kerio
14:25.18keriotiny widget, supports recording of about any audio source, can also record calls, and can do that automatically
14:25.20hrwwants apmefo sources...
14:25.25hrwreal ones...
14:25.26dnearyAh, sorry - /me sees "on the n900"
14:25.40GAN900ieatlint, there's a reason the US economy is falling to pieces. ;)
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14:25.57djszapidoes everybody use debian here ?
14:26.11djszapiNokia provides mostly deb packages and it is a closed source development.
14:26.15ieatlintGAN900: is the same reason as greece?
14:26.20_trinedjszapi: I do a bit
14:26.22ieatlintor most of europe?
14:26.28SpeedEvilI use slackware, maemo.
14:26.28ieatlint:P
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14:26.48ghostcubepog: i know
14:26.49ghostcube:D
14:26.59GAN900The free market made us #1, now socialism is steadily killing us.
14:27.01djszapiokia does not provide source packages all the time, sometimes just deb packages ...
14:27.16djszapiany idea for it ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> I am trying to use lenny.
14:27.16keriodjszapi: fremantle on my tablet, jaunty on my server, snow leopard on my laptop
14:27.34djszapijaunty uses deb packages ...
14:27.43kerioit does
14:27.44keriofremantle too
14:27.46kerio:)
14:28.03_trinekerio: where can I get the recaller app
14:28.06djszapiI would like to keep my archlinux...
14:28.08keriohuh, repos?
14:28.18djszapiI have just installed lenny into my chroot subdirectory.
14:28.23scp1djszapi, no, I am using arch
14:28.27djszapirly ?
14:28.34djszapivery good news ;)
14:28.42ieatlintGAN900: i'd respond to that statement, but for two reasons... first, to the thanks of everyone in here for not getting too much into politics, and second, because you're from florida
14:28.53scp1not on the n900... on my bigger computers
14:28.56djszapiscp1: do you deal with the new harmattan project ?
14:28.59djszapiofc ...
14:29.03scp1no idea what that is
14:29.09djszapimaemo 6
14:29.19scp1I got my phone like a week ago :)
14:29.26djszapihttp://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Maemo_roadmap/Harmattan
14:29.55scp1oh I see
14:30.01djszapiwell, what is it, really ? http://pastie.org/1141540 -> But this describtion writes it: http://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html
14:30.06djszapiscp1: debootstrap from AUR.
14:30.15djszapithen install debian into chroot subfolder.
14:30.18djszapithat is what I tried.
14:30.25kerioscp1: it's not a phone :<
14:30.25djszapithen I got the above mentioned error ;)
14:30.45scp1djszapi, I'm really NOT much into debian...
14:30.50scp1oops. I didnt say that. sorry :p
14:30.57Adeonn900, a good phone, yes. phone phone phone
14:31.15kerioAdeon: i hate you :(
14:32.16GAN900ieatlint, how progressive of you.
14:32.27djszapidoes anybody use debian here ?
14:32.43scp1all except for us probably :p
14:32.52MNZdjszapi, I do. And a lot of us do indirectly, by using ubuntu (debian based)
14:32.58FrieTyeah show of hands, who doesn't have easydebian installed?
14:32.58FrieT:P
14:33.02ieatlintGAN900: please, like you wouldn't stereotype me from being from san francisco
14:33.22ieatlintmy SO is from tampa, i'd say i have slightly more perspective :P
14:33.33pexii'll wait for that bmw-meego cooperation and someone crying 'it's not a car'
14:33.51FrieTuh
14:33.54FrieTit isn't..
14:34.02FrieTit's a satnav with wheels.
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14:34.10GAN900ieatlint, lot of my family lives in SF.
14:34.13djszapiMNZ: what can be the above pasted problem ? I have just followed the official instructions.
14:34.14MNZpexi, it really IS NOT a phone :/ It's a tablet that happens to have phone functionality
14:34.31FrieTyeah, too bad nokia market it as their highend phone
14:34.58peximine doesn't look even tablet
14:35.00ieatlintcool
14:35.05ieatlintwe've got awesome burritos
14:35.07pexiit looks more like.. i donno.. phone
14:35.09FrieTit's not a tablet eiter
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14:35.16FrieTit's a hackable multipurpose device i suppose:P
14:35.23SpeedEvilAnyone not calling it a phone is barking mad.
14:35.27scp1instead of bitching about if it's a phone or not, is there a way to use > Perl 5.8.3 natively?
14:35.37FrieTincoming call !
14:35.37FrieT:P
14:35.38SpeedEvilIt's sold as a phone - therefore not calling it a phone is the act of an insane person.
14:35.43MNZdjszapi, I don't have any mentions of scratchbox.org in my sources.list
14:36.07djszapihow did you install it then ?
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14:36.22MNZdjszapi, like everyone else, I just used the automated installer script
14:36.40djszapilawl...
14:37.19kerionah, it's not nokia's high-end phone
14:37.26kerioit's just in another league
14:37.40scp1this is starting to sound just like in #ubuntu
14:37.43MNZdjszapi, the sane thing would really be to download the automated script and read it
14:37.50FrieTi'm not saying what it is, i'm saying what they portray it to be
14:37.58FrieTn97 beats it as a phone.
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14:38.13mgedminlikes to say N900 is a crappy phone but a superb netbook
14:38.16DocScrutinizer>> Bleiben Sie im Gespräch Es ist ein Mobiltelefon. Und ein Computer. Genießen Sie flexible Kommunikation über das Mobilfunknetz, Internettelefonie (VoIP) und Instant Messaging (Chat).
14:38.19GAN900ieatlint, roadside Mexican food in CA is ridiculous.
14:38.24DocScrutinizerhttp://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534
14:38.29MNZdjszapi, here's what the script does to apt sources: http://pastebin.com/An4bwPf5
14:38.37djszapi./scratchbox/tools/scratchbox-base/files/sb_base/run_me_first.sh
14:38.37djszapiHost kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support!
14:38.37djszapiYou need it to run scratchbox.
14:38.39FrieTduno, it's an OK phone. it just uses too much battery for audio :P
14:38.40djszapilawl ....
14:38.40FrieThence:D
14:38.44djszapithat module is loaded
14:39.11ieatlintGAN900: what we lack in bbq, we make up for in mexican/chinese food... :P
14:39.17DocScrutinizerSo if Nokia says >>it's a mobile phone. And it's a computer<< then bviously everybody claiming 'it's not a phone' is in conflict with Nokia, no?
14:39.39dotblankIts a computer phone!
14:40.00SpeedEvilWow.
14:40.01MNZfine I give up :( it's a computer in disguise as a phone
14:40.01djszapiwell...nop...
14:40.06djszapithis is the right repo: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/dists/stable/main/binary-i386 ./
14:40.19djszapithere is no need for automated script or whatever.
14:40.30SpeedEvilIt turns out I actually have OK signal, not spotty inside my house. (2g/3g)
14:40.36MNZdjszapi, yes, if you want the stuff from scratchbox, but if you want to do maemo development you are going to need the maemo packages
14:40.47djszapi: deb http://scratchbox.org/debian/ stable main
14:40.53SpeedEvilAll I needed to do was to bend the SIM connector pins a lot
14:40.58keriowat
14:41.00SpeedEvilso they contact more firmly
14:41.01timelessanyone here have O2 pay as you go?
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14:41.12djszapiMNZ: what are you talking about ?
14:41.15djszapiIt is the same ...
14:41.17dotblankI live in an area where the people voted not to have a cell phone tower in my development.. but I still get a signal
14:41.18timelessthey sent me s60(?) instructions for my n900..
14:41.22djszapihttp://www.scratchbox.org/documentation/user/scratchbox-1.0/html/installdoc.html
14:41.35dotblankafter pr 1.2 my signal strength improved dramatically
14:41.54MNZdjszapi, just so we are clear, you want scratchbox to do maemo development right?
14:41.55dotblankno idea why
14:42.02DocScrutinizerSpeedEvil: now that's WTF
14:42.15FrieTmmmmmm the thought of s60 on the n900. where can i get it? -g-
14:42.15djszapiMNZ: pls pls read the pasted link.
14:42.22djszapiit will be clear what I would like to do.
14:42.34djszapi2.1 and 2.2 do the same.
14:42.38djszapiI mean the final purpose.
14:42.43timelessarg
14:42.56toggles_wc or v?
14:42.59timelesshow the heck does one manually configure a gprs connection?
14:43.05keriohmm
14:43.09keriosettings->network connections
14:43.10MNZdjszapi, it's clear you want to install scratchbox, just answer my question please, maemo development or just scratchbox for some other purpose?
14:43.12timelesspkill(toggles_w)
14:43.14keriothen edit that one
14:43.18toggles_wouch
14:43.25djszapiMNZ: why am I here ?
14:43.30timelesskerio: as in a *new* one
14:43.34MNZdjszapi, exactly.
14:43.38keriochange the old one
14:43.44kerioit doesn't support more than one by default
14:43.45timelessif i select new, it presumes i want wifi
14:43.51keriothought you knew
14:43.54kerioinstall fAPN
14:43.59MNZdjszapi, in that case I'm pretty sure you need the maemo repos
14:44.21djszapiand ?
14:44.27Chibi-Taigai cant find python package in app download list
14:44.31timelesskerio: the n8x0s didn't have this limit
14:44.41jpinx-eeepcscary - I just picked up the n900 and clicked debian chroot and there I am in squeeze :)
14:44.43timelesswhy would a later product we made suck more?
14:44.45keriothe n8x0s had no gprs
14:44.49MNZdjszapi, eh wait wait wait. Are we talking about apt inside or outside scratchbox?
14:45.00timelesssure.. but it could use gprs via bt
14:45.01djszapiinside ...
14:45.06timelessdid all the time
14:45.13djszapisince my host is arch as I mentioned it above
14:45.15kerioas i said, install fAPN
14:45.33MNZdjszapi, oh, so I wasn't wrong... yeah you need the maemo repos lol. So add the maemo repos, and just remove the scratchbox one
14:45.44djszapiwut ??
14:45.50DocScrutinizertimeless: (why would a later) good question! :-P
14:45.51djszapiI had to install scratchbox somehow ...
14:45.55Khertan_is fighting distutils ... does there is a distutils expert here in the room ?
14:46.09Chibi-Taigaguess i google it then
14:46.34mgedminKhertan_, you might try #python
14:46.52Khertan_mgedmin: yep of course :)
14:46.52mgedminI can usually get distutils/setuptools to do what I want by cannibalizing other setup.py scripts
14:46.59timelessdocs: please remind me to yell at someone rsn
14:47.06timelessdooc: ..
14:47.09timelessdoc: ..
14:47.10keriolol
14:47.12mgedminI suspect becoming an expert in distutils will cost one's sanity
14:47.18timelessyour nick is too hard to type
14:47.22djszapi:))))
14:47.28keriotimeless: tab?
14:47.34DocScrutinizertimeless: of course, a pleasure :-D
14:47.41djszapiMNZ: what do you mean ?
14:47.41Khertan_mgedmin: i 'm currently trying to integrate xml in the package :)
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14:47.49Chibi-Taigapress tab
14:48.00timeless*** Value of INSERT_MODE set to OFF
14:48.01Chibi-Taigaits esyer for nicknames
14:48.08timeless*** Value of INSERT_MODE set to ON
14:48.16timelessthat's what tab does here
14:48.32Chibi-Taigalol
14:48.45keriowhat's "here"?
14:48.46mgedminKhertan_, are you looking for install_package_data=True ?
14:48.48FrieTis ~65 mA of power use when idle (screen off) reasonable? or do you guys do significantly better
14:48.58FrieT(BT and wifi enabled)
14:49.09Chibi-Taigai dont know if the n900 has tab but lon pc it works
14:49.24DocScrutinizer"" ircII EPIC4-2.0 Linux 2.4.35 - Accept no limitations.."" lol for the trailing part
14:49.27keriomy n900 has tabs
14:49.33timelessctcp version me?
14:49.34mgedminFrieT, I've no idea how to measure the power usage on a n900
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14:49.51djszapisb-adduser lpapp
14:49.51djszapiHost kernel is lacking binfmt_misc support!
14:49.51djszapiYou need it to run scratchbox.
14:49.53djszapiwhat's it ?
14:49.57mgedminwait until it dies, divide the battery capacity (in mAh) by the number of hours?
14:49.58djszapithis module is loaded in the host.
14:50.02DocScrutinizerFrieT: depends
14:50.09FrieTmgedmin: good one indeed;>
14:50.09Chibi-Taigaguys any link for python n900?
14:50.35DocScrutinizerFrieT: somewhat ok for WLAN enabled
14:50.44FrieTDocScrutinizer: depends? i'm not doing bg jobs when it's idle, if it checks mail it's going to peak of course. i'm talking "idle" with gsm + bt + wifi.
14:50.55Khertan_mgedmin: i'm more trying to integrate the xml file in the package as a part of the package and not as 'data'
14:50.56MNZdjszapi, have you got the maemo-sdk rootstraps?
14:51.15djszapiwhat do you mean ?
14:51.16Khertan_Chibi-Taiga: http://pymaemo.garage.maemo.org/
14:51.19DocScrutinizerFrieT: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
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14:51.34FrieTnow it's down to 40mamp
14:51.43FrieTup& down there
14:51.44mgedminKhertan_, what do you mean by that?  you want setup.py install to copy the .xml files from where to where?  or something else?
14:51.46djszapiMNZ: I will use harmattan
14:52.05MNZdjszapi, .... you don't actually have any of the maemo stuff. There's a rootstrap (a / filesystem) to create the scratchbox target based on
14:52.14FrieT500mamp , incoming call
14:52.21mgedminfor distutils 'data' is everything that's not a .py file
14:52.30MNZdjszapi, I'm sorry I don't think I can help you, my info about scratchbox comes mostly from watching the installer script work and from messing about a little
14:52.41Khertan_mgedmin: yep ... this is what i try to change
14:52.42djszapiMNZ: maemo-scratchbox-install_5.0.sh ?
14:52.48Khertan_mgedmin: the current http://gitorious.org/khteditor/khteditor/blobs/master/setup.py
14:52.57mgedminif you don't want your .xml files in /usr/lib/python (which is a bit against debian policy), I don't think you can do that with distutils ...
14:53.13Khertan_i need to integrate in the khteditor/syntax module the .xml file
14:53.16Chibi-Taigafor download i mean
14:53.21MNZdjszapi, no I used the python based installed. It downloads two rootstraps (one for arm and one for i386), I guess you can install those through sb-menu
14:53.24mgedminoh wow, you can?
14:53.36Khertan_mgedmin: oh it s against debian policy ?
14:53.45djszapiMNZ: what do you mean ?
14:54.04MNZdjszapi, you haven't even gotten to the part where you create targets anyway.
14:54.11Khertan_mgedmin: so maybe i should rewrite some part to change the location so
14:54.11Khertan_:)
14:54.14mgedminKhertan_, I think so; better double-check
14:54.31mgedminIIRC things like .xml files are supposed to be in /usr/share, not /usr/lib/python*
14:54.51MNZdjszapi, sorry but like I said, can't help much
14:54.52djszapiMNZ: what do you mean ?
14:55.30Chibi-Taigawhy isnt python in app sdownload list
14:55.37timelesswell, i'm now using o2 for internet access
14:55.43timeless2.5g, "wow"
14:55.54Khertan_I got the following report in khweeteur bug tracker : Khweeteur is based on the obsolete and buggy package python2.5-qt4-maemo5. An example of bug is that with auto-capitalization disabled, the Shift status is reversed for the first character (typing a letter key gives an uppercase letter, typing Shift + letter gives a lowercase letter). python2.5-qt4-experimental-dev should be used (see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11250).
14:55.55povbotBug 11250: Shift status is reversed for the first character (Shift+letter gives lowercase)
14:56.00Chibi-Taiga3.5g tmobile here
14:56.10Khertan_i thought that experimental is ... experimental ...
14:56.20Khertan_so nothing should depends on it
14:56.20timelessgtalk and skype connected,
14:56.44timelesssip provider failed
14:56.44timelessbut ssh works
14:57.13Chibi-Taigaguess i ask on forrums
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14:58.25timelessooh, 3g and one bar of signal, or 3.5 and that same one bar
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15:02.11Chibi-Taiga28.8/5.8Mbitwireless internets
15:02.22Chibi-Taigai want that
15:02.25MohammadAGhmm, how do I disable a button in python?
15:03.32crashanddiebutton.enabled = false ?
15:04.31Khertan_MohammadAG: button.destroy()
15:04.32Khertan_:)
15:04.52Chibi-Taigai wanna download it but i cant find it
15:05.27MohammadAGKhertan_, nope, that doesn't do anything :/
15:06.34MohammadAGKhertan_, that's for PyGTK right?
15:07.15Khertan_MohammadAG: should destroy it under pygtk or qt :)
15:07.25MohammadAGweird, it doesn't
15:07.30MohammadAGno errors though
15:07.43Khertan_button.hide() should hide the button in pygtk
15:07.48Chibi-Taigaguess i do it on pc ,to botherdome to search for python n900
15:08.04Chibi-Taigaalso screw unzip
15:08.10MohammadAGKhertan_, button.hide() works in PyQt, but that hides the button
15:08.16MohammadAGI just want to disable it (gray it out)
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15:10.18Chibi-Taigashould have gotten n97 instead lovely symbian phones and easy to use
15:10.57MohammadAGmeh, I had the N97 before the N900
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15:11.07Khertan_MohammadAG: button.set_sensitive(False)
15:11.48MohammadAGbah, PyGTK only, AttributeError: 'QPushButton' object has no attribute 'set_sensitive'
15:12.07Venemo_N900Hey guys
15:12.18Chibi-Taigawell this os is no fun , hacking symbina slows more then maemo also w/o errors
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15:12.34pogis it possible on N900 / Maemo5, to make an ssh -X N900, then to export a display to my ubuntu PC. the command on the conole open the Application Window on the N900... (I don't seem to be the only one with problems like this).
15:12.49_Lucretia_anybody replaced the toolchain in madde?
15:13.27Chibi-Taigamaemo dont even have good players
15:13.35MohammadAGChibi-Taiga, S60 sucks balls, especially after 9.1, when they locked it down
15:13.47DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: please go and swap N900 for a symbian phone. You complain since days about supposedly complicated linux, quite obviously N900 is absolutely not the right gadget for you
15:13.50MohammadAGgood players? wanna go 1v1 on cod?
15:14.03Chibi-Taigai cant swap
15:14.13SpeedEvilyes pog
15:14.23Chibi-Taigabcuz somwhygiene rule here
15:14.26GAN900dneary, sent.
15:14.28DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: that's not *anybody's* problem but your own
15:15.07Chibi-Taigaall i want is simple just an unzipper or an unrar
15:15.35Chibi-Taigajust this phone is to picky to install it
15:15.45DocScrutinizerall I want is just a cahn without that constant whining
15:15.54MohammadAGjust install xarchiver
15:16.02lcukhttp://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=unrar&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
15:16.17MohammadAGNote: UI needs stylus
15:16.23Chibi-Taigai dont remember seeing that in app download list
15:16.53MohammadAGhttp://maemo.org/packages/view/xarchiver
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15:18.02DocScrutinizerpoints Chibi-Taiga to talk.maemo.org - please consider moving your complaints and constant whining over there
15:18.25jacekowskii just recommended n900 to somebody
15:18.31jacekowskiand i hope i won't regret it
15:18.43E0xn900 is not for everybody
15:18.53SpeedEvilDid you get your referral bonus?
15:18.59SpeedEvilOops - not supposed to mention that.
15:19.05E0xhehe
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15:20.58Chibi-Taigado i need an account to see a download buttona.
15:21.07Chibi-Taigabutton?*
15:21.07Khertan_MohammadAG: ah sorry i think you were looking for a pygtk method
15:22.18MohammadAGjacekowski, heh, if only people here listen to recommendations, he asked about the N900, knowing him as a noob I suggested an iPhone, the next day he got an N900
15:23.15_Lucretia_luke-jr: I saw your comment here: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html, what's not compatible between gcc-4.4 and 4.5? The ABI should be the same, that was the whole point of the ABI changes in GCC a few years back.
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15:24.31jacekowskijust version change is enought to break a lot
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15:25.54_Lucretia_jacekowski: was that aimed at me?
15:25.57Chibi-Taigabtw that extras-devil is it dead?
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15:38.37keriohuh... iphone-controlled quadricopter
15:38.43kerio300£
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15:42.36Venemo_N900kerio: the N900 can control a real helicopter!
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15:43.01Venemo_N900kerio: so iCrap is lagging behind... again :D
15:43.02MiXu-Wouldn't want to be on that thing...
15:43.04timelessanyone know how "london" and "city of london" differ?
15:43.13timelessignore the obvious character count issue
15:43.25kerio"cit... damn timeless
15:43.55Venemo_N900timeless: my guess would be that London also means the general area around the city
15:43.55timelessand i'm typing on my n900
15:44.20Venemo_N900timeless: lcuk should perhaps know better
15:44.21lcuktimeless, city of london is the tiny core afaik
15:44.30timelesshttp://consumero2.directoryconnection.com/site_details.php?id=1077684
15:44.37timelessmy search gave me that
15:44.46timelessanyone see anything obviously missing?
15:45.30GAN900dneary, Nokia World is next Tuesday.
15:45.35keriohmm
15:45.42keriogood coffee?
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15:46.59drizztbsdhi
15:47.17Venemo_N900drizztbsd: hi
15:47.24drizztbsdI'm doing a .deb package, how can I know if I'm building on N900/fremantle or N810 or N800 etc?
15:47.39drizztbsdI want to do an universal source package
15:47.48Venemo_N900drizztbsd: what SDK are you building with?
15:47.51dnearyGAN900, Are the Maemo staff & council going?
15:47.53drizztbsdmaemo 5
15:48.00drizztbsdIt's for n900
15:48.01dnearyLet's do it Thursday then
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15:48.08drizztbsdbut I want to release an universal source package
15:48.09dnearythis thursday
15:48.12GAN900dneary, Jaffa is, apparently.
15:48.15GAN900OK
15:48.21Venemo_N900drizztbsd: for Maemo 4, build with its SDK
15:48.29lcukhmm
15:48.45GAN900will need to manage not to throw up first.
15:48.49Venemo_N900drizztbsd: the two versions have two different set of libraries and stuff...
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16:07.25jacekowskitimeless: london ussualy means greater londo
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16:07.37jacekowskitimeless: while city of london is just one of boroughs
16:07.54Chibi-Taigahumm is it possible to attach an ext hdd on n900 ?
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16:08.16jacekowskikind of maybe yes
16:08.19FrieTi'd guess with the proper usb trickery, yes
16:08.45Chibi-Taigahumm so it need a trick ?
16:08.50FrieTnah
16:08.51FrieTnfs client ?
16:08.52FrieT:)
16:09.07ShadowJKchibi-taiga: not through the usb port currently
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16:09.26Chibi-Taigai saw an youtube vid though so i was wondering
16:09.44Chibi-Taigahe used an thumpstick
16:10.01ShadowJKIt only randomly works afaik
16:10.11Chibi-Taigai see
16:10.17Chibi-Taigawould be nice though
16:10.24Chibi-Taigaextra storage
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16:16.34Chibi-Taiga-< MPClassic >-< [HorribleSubs] HIGHSCHOOL OF THE DEAD - 10 [720p].mkv >-< Playtime 00:00 of 25:13 @ ~312.81KB/s (462.2MB) >-< ( N/A ) >-
16:17.03DocScrutinizerextra storage? hell, even my laptop has less than 64GB
16:17.17kerioyour laptop fails
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16:17.20Chibi-Taigamy netbook has 640gb though
16:17.23keriothat's not enough for half of the full mame romset :<
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16:19.03DocScrutinizerit's also a bit small for mp2 vids of all the movies I've ever seen - but meh
16:19.15barisioneanybody that knows how to help the person that reported https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11247 ?
16:19.16povbotBug 11247: Custom Ringtones - Conflict Packages at Program installation
16:19.23barisioneshe reported it as a custom ringtones bug
16:19.33barisionebut it looks like a maemo upgrade problem
16:19.43barisioneshe gets:
16:19.44barisioneConflicts between Maemo 5 (2.2009.51-1)
16:19.44barisionehildon-thumbnail (3.0.43+0m5)
16:20.04Chibi-Taigamy main comp has slighly more though
16:20.14Chibi-TaigaHard Disks: (Total/Free: 8.41/2.37TB , Total/Free space on: C: 75.13/40.11GB , D: 465.76/216.14GB , E: 390.62/388.26GB , F: 931.51/250.41GB , G: 931.51/87.27GB , H: 1.36/1.36TB , I: 1.36/0.03TB , J: 2.73/0.01TB , K: 232.88/18.49GB)
16:20.23keriohaha i see letters
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16:20.26keriolots of letters
16:20.33keriomy god, why would someone think that's a good idea
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16:20.36Maceri have to flash from scratch and all i have is an osx laptop
16:20.40kerioyour setup begs for LVM
16:21.05Macerdo i need anything other than RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin ?
16:21.23kerioor even better, some raid0
16:21.24DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: yeah, but can it hotswap? like 32GB uSD on N900? :-P
16:21.39Chibi-Taigait supports 16gb+ ?
16:22.10kerioand by uSD, he means µSD
16:22.18DocScrutinizerkerio: begs for decent OS, first of all
16:22.19Chibi-Taigaand yes my rig is hotswap
16:22.23kerioDocScrutinizer: well of course
16:22.24kerio:)
16:22.25Macerwtf. i can't flash an n900 with osx?
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16:22.28ShadowJKmacer: yeah flashing just emmc is bad idea
16:22.31kerioMacer: i did :|
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16:23.17Chibi-Taigahttp://img694.imageshack.us/img694/6691/19022010009.jpg http://img35.imageshack.us/img35/3228/07122009384.jpg
16:23.21MacerShadowJK: what else do i need to start from scratch?
16:23.28Macerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N900
16:23.31Macerthat is what i am reading
16:23.48Macerthe nokia site only seems to have the emmc stuff that is relevant to flashing it
16:24.01Macermaybe i should just go ahead and use a damn windows flasher and let it all do it for me
16:24.35kerioMacer: the flasher is the same :|
16:24.35MacerRX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
16:24.42Maceroh ... maybe that would be the one i need? :)
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16:25.03MacerLatest Maemo 5 USA release for Nokia N900
16:25.10kerioflash the global, duh
16:26.10MacerOK. Let me shove the battery back in this n900
16:26.34Macerblah. too bad nitdroid doesn't have the modem working completely yet.. otherwise it would be worth using as default :)
16:27.10MohammadAGyay
16:27.20MohammadAGmodified unzip-fm to unrar-fm :P
16:27.37keriounzip-fm?
16:27.38kerio:o
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16:28.02MohammadAGthe filemanager addon that unpacks zips using osso-filemanager
16:28.10keriooh
16:28.23kerioi thought it was related to the radio
16:29.11MohammadAGunzipping the radio?
16:29.25jacekowskiunzip filemanager
16:29.30jacekowskifm stands for filemanager
16:29.36jacekowskii made that mistake as well
16:29.51jacekowskiand disassembled libcpfm or something
16:29.56jacekowskilooking for some reference to radio
16:30.02MohammadAGlol
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16:30.20jacekowskianyways
16:30.22jacekowskihome time
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16:32.02Goliath23hi
16:33.30Goliath23general question on the maemo sw running on an N900: there is the modest email client. when I set it to update emails periodically, it won't automatically connect to the internet. when I manually start it and update emails, it connects automatically. is this a known bug?
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16:34.23Chibi-Taigaanime is just to awesome
16:34.40jacekowskiGoliath23: just configure phone to connect automaticaly
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16:36.04Goliath23jacekowski: Then I would be online all the time. The wanted behaviour is, that maemo connects (to WLAN or GPRS) when I (or a program that I configured to periodically check some data on the net) needs the connection. (and disconnect afterwards, which I can achieve by installing AutoDisconnect)
16:37.37Macerok. flasher is waiting for the device
16:37.44Macerthe device boots with a usb symbol for a second
16:37.48Macerthen goes into multi boot
16:37.53Macerit doesn't seem to want to find the device :(
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16:38.32timelessmacer: ping
16:38.35timelesshttp://www.o2.co.uk/webtopup/helpwithtoppingup
16:38.50DocScrutinizerGoliath23: the supposed usage mode however is to keep GPRS enabled all the time
16:39.01timelesscan you click on the which credit/debit card line?
16:39.02Maceruhm
16:39.13DocScrutinizeras there's usually not a single advantage in disabling GPRS
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16:39.22timelesssighs
16:39.29timelesso2 is being evil
16:39.36Maceri'm trying to fix my n900 :-P
16:39.47timelesstheir iPhone plan is tied to the imei for iphones
16:39.56timelessdoc: how about you?
16:40.04timeless(i got your nick right!
16:40.11Goliath23DocScrutinizer: It allows me to use the device a whole day. Keeping the device connected all the time drains the battery very fast.
16:40.12DocScrutinizerwut?
16:40.17MacerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.
16:40.20timelessload that link
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16:40.27Goliath23DocScrutinizer: I'd call that a major advantage.
16:40.28timelessclick the credit card line
16:40.36DocScrutinizerGoliath23: that's a problem not to be solved via disabling GPRS
16:40.43kerioDocScrutinizer: huh?
16:40.44kerioreally?
16:40.44Macerdo i have to do somthing special to this n900 to put it into flashable mode or something?
16:40.45Goliath23DocScrutinizer: but?
16:40.48keriois that also true for umts/hsdpa?
16:40.55kerioMacer: huh
16:40.59kerioplug the usb cable while holding u
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16:41.15timelesssighs
16:41.19DocScrutinizerkerio: sure
16:41.19Goliath23DocScrutinizer: shall I solve it by chharging more often? :)
16:41.42lcukdneary, i am at manchester university at that time thursday
16:41.48timelessanyone have an app that does phone number based contact awarching?
16:41.50kerioDocScrutinizer: wait, WHAT
16:42.04DocScrutinizerGoliath23: I suggest to solve it by learning about the fundamentals of GPRS
16:42.13kerioi'm talking umts/hsdpa here
16:42.44Goliath23DocScrutinizer: I'm a user whose Handset runs out of battery quite fast. Not a developer. maybe that's the wrong channel then.
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16:42.54keriomaybe it's the wrong phone
16:42.55kerio:)
16:43.02Otacon22Hi, i have a problem on my n900. I was trying to install SCIM and MSCIM for japanese input but it was not working, so i've decided to delete it and go back to default input method. Anyway after this i can't no longer see the special character popup: when i press Sum+Fn does not happens anything!
16:43.13Otacon22could anyone help me?
16:43.33Macerhm. now i have the usb symbol on an unlit nokia screen
16:43.34Goliath23DocScrutinizer: is one of the GPRS fundamentals, that it doesn't need more power no matter if there is an active connection or not?
16:43.37Macerbut flasher still has Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
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16:44.05DocScrutinizerGoliath23: exactly
16:44.08Goliath23Macer: what distro?
16:44.14MacerOSX
16:44.24DocScrutinizerthe power needed for an established login to GPRS is ~3mA
16:44.27DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption
16:44.55Goliath23Macer: hm, I once had the same. was a version conflict ina dependency iirc
16:45.04MacerOMG
16:45.15Macerthis seriously should not be this difficult
16:45.19timelessrotfl
16:45.21Macerlet me just plug the damn thing into a windows box :)
16:45.39timelesscould someone w/ a web browser read the last line of
16:45.40timelesshttp://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup
16:45.49timelesswhere it says "a telefonica ..."
16:45.54Goliath23Macer: yes, maybe this works. or an ubuntu based distro
16:46.20DocScrutinizerGoliath23: it's the transmission of data either direction, that consumes lots of power. Establishing a connection does a fair amount of data transfer. The idle connection is really humble, needing some ~3mA
16:46.55DocScrutinizerGoliath23: that's the rationale you usually *keep* the connection, rather than to tear it down every so often
16:47.17Goliath23DocScrutinizer: okay, but 3mA is not really nothing, right?
16:47.31Macerok now to hunt down this damn windows updater
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16:47.38DocScrutinizerGoliath23: but - quite obviously - you want to make sure you don't transfer data over GPRS all the time
16:47.41MohammadAGbuilder dead?
16:47.42timelessit's really preyy close to nothing
16:47.49Goliath23DocScrutinizer: according to the wiki page, the difference between 2G and 3G is 1.4mA and I can really feel the difference
16:47.55kerioumts is 8ma
16:48.02DocScrutinizerGoliath23: it is small enough to allow 400h of standby
16:48.33timelesshrm
16:48.46timelesswonders if firefox is available somewhere
16:49.15DocScrutinizerGoliath23: nope, you're looking the wrong row for this. What you feel is the difference of 45mA vs 136mA
16:49.33DocScrutinizerfor 10s pings
16:49.35MohammadAGtimeless, a telephonica company?
16:49.37tank-mantimeless, that page shows up in english for me, sorry
16:49.40ShadowJKtimeless: uh.. "A telefonica company" ... "(C) 2010 Telefonica O2 UK Limited." ... terms and conditions.. privacy policy?
16:49.46DocScrutinizererr 30s
16:49.53MohammadAGs/ph/f/
16:49.53Goliath23DocScrutinizer: aha
16:50.30timelessdoes it say company?
16:50.32dnearylcuk: Propose an alternative time, but I'd really like to have some kind of meeting this week
16:50.36DocScrutinizer136mA means battery down after 10h
16:50.46timelessfor me it said something like that, but not actually that
16:51.02DocScrutinizerand inplies there's something constantly sending/receiving data over GPRS
16:51.02timelessturn off image loading
16:51.09timelessyou need to read the alt tag
16:51.36lcukdneary, friday same time perhaps, or earlier thursday or wednesday etc?
16:51.56dnearylcuk: Propose on the mailing list
16:52.14dnearyMaybe mail the council first to see if there's a particular time that suits the 5 of you?
16:52.23Goliath23DocScrutinizer: and 3mA reduce standby by what amount?
16:52.47DocScrutinizer3mA would drain battery after ~400h
16:52.56kerioDocScrutinizer: facebook widget?
16:52.59Maceromfg this is retarded
16:53.05Macerwhere can i download the nokia updating app for windows?
16:53.11timelessMohammadAG?
16:53.17lcukisnt council :P
16:53.17ShadowJKugh. It started reloading every winow when I switched images to "Never". This will take ages.
16:53.18Macerthe one that downloads and updates it all for you?
16:53.18kerioMacer: not sure why you're having problema
16:53.32Macerkerio: yeah. that makes two of us but evidently my mb doesn't want to see the n900
16:53.42MacerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.
16:53.55keriostupid question... you're root, right?
16:54.11ShadowJKtimeless: the first telefonica vanished without images
16:54.15DocScrutinizerI bet he's not
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16:54.34DocScrutinizeras there is no root on OSX by default :_P
16:54.39keriohuh?
16:54.40kerioit's unix
16:54.42keriothere's always a root
16:54.45MohammadAGtimeless, I don't... get it                 <span>A Telef&oacute;nica comapny</span>
16:55.01Maceri'm running it as sudo so yes?
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16:55.05timelessMohammadAG?
16:55.12MacerSuitable USB device not found, waiting.
16:55.19timelessoops, scrollback
16:55.19MohammadAG<timeless> could someone w/ a web browser read the last line of
16:55.20MohammadAG<timeless> http://www.o2.co.uk/shop/paygotopup/creditdebitcardtopup
16:55.25Macermaybe i should just sudo -s and try running it?
16:55.38MohammadAGMacer
16:55.45MohammadAGkeep flasher running
16:55.48kerio© 2010 Telefónica O2 UK Limited.
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16:55.49MohammadAGtake out the battery
16:55.51MohammadAGplug in the USB
16:55.55kerioi didn't know telefonica bought o2
16:55.56MohammadAGplug in the battery
16:56.02MohammadAGwatch flasher scroll
16:56.16timelessyou didn'tt get it?
16:56.18DocScrutinizermaybe hold 'u' while inserting battery
16:56.22kerioget what?
16:56.24timelessyou quoted the right bit!
16:56.33keriooh, yeah, in the left there's a "a telefonica company" image
16:56.36timeless<PROTECTED>
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16:57.27MacerMohammadAG: nope
16:57.28ShadowJKcouldn't copy/paste it
16:57.51tank-manyea, iphones suck ...
16:57.53tank-man:)
16:58.19Macerhm. let me try holding u again :)
16:58.28timeless<PROTECTED>
16:58.38ShadowJKif your n900 boots it wont work
16:58.51ShadowJKor has booted
16:58.56timelessMohammadAG, so ever met a comAPNy before?
16:59.10MohammadAGLOL
16:59.13MacerOH WAIT. it just took off :)
16:59.38Macerwatches his n900 get bricked right before his eyes
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16:59.40timelessnow you have, thanks to telefonica
16:59.40Macerhaha
16:59.42MohammadAGMacer, that'll be 50 IRC bucks please
16:59.50johnsqHi
16:59.57ShadowJKmacer: if your commandline includes -R, it'll fail :)
17:00.06timelessok, next challenge
17:00.09timelesshttps://registration.o2.co.uk/o2/webtopup/mobiledetailsprepare.do
17:00.18MacerShadowJK: uh oh
17:00.37DocScrutinizerMacer: so now if you either manage to keep device from regular boot between flashing, or flash VANILLA image first, then you got chances to actually flash eMMC and get a working system
17:00.46timelesscan someone please find something which specifies what kind of terms and conditions apply to cc payment?
17:00.58timelesssomeone from o2 claimed it's mention british credit cards only
17:01.15timelessi can't even find anything mentioning terms
17:01.23Macerlooks like it's trying to boot
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17:01.46MohammadAGMacer, first boot takes a shitload of time
17:01.52Macerreally i just want to make sure the nitdroid installer works properly so i figured i'd put a stock maemo on it
17:02.04ShadowJKdocscrutinizer: well no, if he first flashes emmc and boots, it boots into broken system.. if he first flashes fiasco and boots, data gets moved to emmc and system becomes broken once he flashes emmc
17:02.15Macerfor some reason the nitdroid installer made maemo stop booting.. probably some obscure multiboot problem
17:02.17ShadowJKso just dont use the reboot flag :D
17:02.31DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so isn't that exactly what I said?
17:02.34Macerwould be nice to try out meego too once they get the modem working as well
17:03.04Chibi-Taigahumm kernel power flasher cant find it on maemo.org
17:03.16MiXu-Ironic that you can make calls on N900+Android but not on N900+MeeGo :)
17:03.16Macerwtf. a piece of my phone .... fell out?
17:03.25ShadowJKdocscrutinizzer: you implied one could boot after flashing vanilla and still flash emmc without a third flash of fiasco again :)
17:03.25Macerwtf is that??
17:03.30DocScrutinizerShadowJK: and by the way the rationale why I always say the wiki is abysmal wrong on recommending to flash rootfs first
17:03.36Goliath23DocScrutinizer: I'll take your comments as a chance to try with "always on" ... I set the search interval to 60 minutes, prolonged the update intervals of some widgets and configured AutoDisconnect to automatically switch to 2G if there is not much data transferred.
17:03.47DocScrutinizerShadowJK: vanilla IS eMMC
17:04.22e-yesStskeeps sweared voicecalls are working. i seeing last (prebuilt) version now... now phone support yet, seems
17:04.35e-yesMiXu-, no voicecalls @nitdroid yet
17:04.53timelessheh
17:04.56DocScrutinizerShadowJK: so I implied nothing of what you claim I did
17:05.00timelesstry loading https://registration.o2.co.uk/
17:05.14ShadowJKah ok
17:05.18Goliath23DocScrutinizer: btw. If I would set search interval to 5 minutes and NOT set "change to WLAN if possible" .. would that drain a lot of battery? (since it theoretically wouldn't need to check if there is a GPRS connection)
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17:06.18ShadowJKwlan has or had a tendency to get stuck active for me when I had change to wlan activated... it'd drain battery in 6 hours when the bug hit
17:07.41ShadowJK"check if there's a gprs connection" shouldn't use any power
17:07.43DocScrutinizerGoliath23: search interval seems to have impact on battery life no matter if it autoswitches to WLAN or not
17:08.40Goliath23DocScrutinizer: probably a software bug
17:09.03DocScrutinizerGoliath23: especially if you have any connection configured that has "hidden SSID", which is a real nonsense
17:09.21Goliath23DocScrutinizer: is there a bug entry for that?
17:09.35DocScrutinizerGoliath23: that's  not actually a bug
17:10.08Goliath23DocScrutinizer: ok, it's an important missing feature ..
17:10.17Goliath23a wishlist entry :)
17:10.42DocScrutinizerGoliath23: see, if you have a connection with hidden SSID of "foobar" and the wifi scans all available staions, it needs to SEND a query to all stations with hidden SSID if they by any incident are "foobar"
17:10.55Chibi-Taigaguys what can i do about this http://a.imageshack.us/img824/2392/screenshot2010090619092.png
17:11.12DocScrutinizerGoliath23: sending is expensive
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17:12.05DocScrutinizerGoliath23: and there's only so much you can do about all that
17:12.17DocScrutinizerGoliath23: just don't use 'hidden SSID'
17:12.18MohammadAGwtf is kernel-flasher-maemo
17:12.28Goliath23DocScrutinizer: okay. I was still at the easier case (don't scan for connections if a) a gprs connection is active and b) "swtich to wlan" is disabled
17:13.09Chibi-TaigaEnhanced Linux kernel for power users
17:13.26Chibi-Taigai wanan underpower the cpu to enlarge the battery life
17:13.26DocScrutinizerso what is the device actually supposed to do at all during scan periods?
17:14.29DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: NOOOOOO, please go away from whereever you are this moment. And never ever mention it here for next 6 months *at least*
17:14.42Chibi-Taigahttp://img830.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010090521592.png/
17:15.10DocScrutinizer~omap-oc
17:15.11infoboti heard omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!
17:15.12MiXu-You seriously don't want to underclock. The thing is slow as is.
17:15.22jacekowskihave you heard about flash 10.1 for arm
17:15.37DocScrutinizerand underclocking is mega BS regarding battery savings
17:15.41Chibi-Taigaoverclock and underpower should be good as they say
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17:16.03jacekowskiChibi-Taiga: do whatever you want
17:16.07DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: please read that link, and stop it now
17:16.13jacekowskiChibi-Taiga: just don't tell us that your phone is dead
17:16.28Chibi-Taigaits oced to 900 mhz now
17:16.36Chibi-Taigait was for 2 months on 825
17:16.51Chibi-Taigajust want to see what it is capable off
17:16.53DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: We don't give a damn shit about it
17:17.23DocScrutinizerread http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05 !!!
17:18.15_Lucretia_I'm trying to set up my N900 as a target, I've tried the new root password that I set when I installed mad developer, and I've tried the password that is created when I press the developer password button, none work
17:18.18_Lucretia_I can ping the device
17:18.20Chibi-Taigaso anyways why would a phone die from overclock, its basicly a pocked pc, cpu's are made to over clock rite ? look at it many i7 users oc to 4ghz, ok thats cooled, but for a lappy it isnt
17:18.39jacekowskiit's different cpu
17:18.42jacekowskidifferent design
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17:18.51DocScrutinizertake that OC nonsense to t.m.o where it belongs. There you find literally all sorts of claims and their exact opposite, and nobody has a fsckng clue about it
17:19.01jacekowskidesigned to spend most of it's lifetime in 0Hz mode
17:19.55DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: a last time: please read the link above, and keep that nonsense out of here
17:20.05jacekowskiChibi-Taiga: and have you noticed that these 4GHz+ cpus ussualy don't last very long
17:20.41Chibi-Taigawho knows , lots humans live long specialy gamers
17:21.13jacekowskiit's your decision
17:21.22jacekowskijust don't come back crying
17:21.24Chibi-Taigai myself had an 3.8ghz amd dual core but i jumed over to an 6core though
17:21.25Goliath23DocScrutinizer: when I have gprs on and am traveling, does it need to send and receive data on every cell change?
17:21.33Chibi-Taigai know what the risks are
17:21.34DocScrutinizeryes
17:21.49DocScrutinizerGoliath23: it does anyway, for GSM
17:21.49Goliath23DocScrutinizer: additional data, compared to just GSM?
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17:21.53Ken-YoungHave reports been coming in yet about N900s fried by overclocking?   I haven't seen one.
17:21.54DocScrutinizernope
17:21.57Goliath23DocScrutinizer: ah, okay
17:22.04jacekowskithere were
17:22.14jacekowskii saw somebody couple days ago
17:22.50Chibi-Taigaif ocing is that dangerous they wouldnt publish it on the net would they ?
17:23.12jacekowskiChibi-Taiga: what do you mean by they
17:23.28DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: you also are publishing it right now, and those who do the same have no any better clue than you
17:23.29jacekowskiChibi-Taiga: guns are dangerous and you can buy them in every shop in US
17:23.52Ken-Youngjacekowski, Not *every* shop.
17:23.52Chibi-Taigawell why would they publish oc settings for the n900 if its that dangerous
17:24.11DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: BECAUSE THEY ARE JUST LIKE YOU
17:24.21DocScrutinizerNOW TAKE IT ELSEWHERE
17:24.59jacekowskiit's sort of like HV is dangerous
17:25.07Chibi-Taigai think iphones are more dangerous with its exploding batteries
17:25.17jacekowskiwhy we are making 110kV transformers
17:25.26jacekowskianybody can buy one
17:25.29ShadowJK(Nokia has not, does not, and will not publish OC settings for the N900)
17:25.40MNZStop spreading the FUD about OC being dangerous! :|
17:25.44MNZChibi-Taiga, it's not dangerous
17:25.44DocScrutinizerlol, you bet they won't
17:25.48MNZjust costly, that's all
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17:26.11jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: hmm, well, i don't see why nokia would care really
17:26.16DocScrutinizerMNZ: nobody except Chibi-Taiga used the term 'dangerous'
17:26.26jacekowskiDocScrutinizer: it's not their problem if user fucks up their device
17:26.54ArkAnGiCIAHellOlAloHallOhayo.. I HI..
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17:27.26Chibi-Taigabut ok if you say its bad then i set it back to 600
17:27.30*** mode/#maemo [+o DocScrutinizer] by ChanServ
17:27.40jacekowskiset it to 9000
17:27.48MNZOVER 9000!
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17:27.52Chibi-Taigait wont reach that
17:27.56DocScrutinizerArkAnGiCIA: hi
17:27.57jacekowskitry
17:27.59Chibi-Taigaits no scouter
17:28.02Chibi-Taiga>_>
17:28.25Otacon22My Symbol virtual keyboard is disappeared! Anyone can help me?
17:28.33kerioMNZ: less memes, more audio
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17:28.46MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, count to 10, and -o
17:29.12DocScrutinizercount to 10 and /kick ArkAnGiCIA
17:29.46DocScrutinizerArkAnGiCIA: ping
17:30.04MohammadAGoh, thought you were going to kick someone else
17:30.05MNZkerio, :|
17:30.13DocScrutinizerArkAnGiCIA: identify as human being, or get kicked
17:30.14jacekowski19:29 [freenode] CTCP VERSION reply from ArkAnGiCIA: mIRC v6.32 Khaled Mardam-Bey
17:30.18Chibi-Taigaok i used the qcpuferq to set it to 550
17:30.24MNZgoes back to his hole
17:30.46_Lucretia_Can anyone help me with this? http://pastebin.com/C1SR0aU7 <- I can set up the n900 via QtCreator, but not by hand
17:30.50kerioMNZ: <3
17:30.58DocScrutinizerhmm
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17:31.13_Lucretia_and before someone tells me just to use QtCreator, I'm not intending on using it just yet
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17:31.43jpinx-eeepcDocScrutinizer: update - ssh over usb working, N900 using the eeepc as a gateway to the wifi, debian chroot installed and the fs.img copied to allow me to "experiment" ;),
17:32.31jpinx-eeepccurrently logged in my ssh over USB and chroot int he copy and installing some stuff to see what'll run
17:33.01DocScrutinizermeh, out for shopping
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17:34.53mece'ello
17:35.08jpinx-eeepcshopping? it's midnight:30 ffs!
17:35.15Chibi-Taigasnap , it stays 900mhz if i run overclock option 5
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17:35.26merlin1991oh you're still there jpinx-eeepc
17:35.56jacekowskithat's good
17:36.05jacekowskileave it at 900
17:36.27Chibi-Taiga700 now lowest i can set it with the app
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17:38.32timelessoh, wow
17:38.40timelessthis keyboard has ~ too
17:38.57timelessno need for the blue menu for it!
17:39.12keriowhat kbd?
17:39.16mecetimeless, which keyboard is thaT?
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17:39.28kerioand my keyboard has ~ too
17:39.33kerioas shift+fn+a
17:39.57alteregoI'd like to map my backspace button to allow fn+bksp do tilde ..
17:39.59Chibi-Taigais 700mhz also bad its still an oc of 50mhz per core though
17:40.11meceI've got alt-gr " on mine. It's a keytronic from 1991 :)
17:40.15kerioalterego: nah, that's tab
17:40.31alteregokerio: is it? Well, that's kind of cool too :)
17:40.46kerioalso shift+fn+bksp = esc
17:40.46mecekerio: ctrl-i is tab
17:40.57joga...fn+bksp is not tab
17:41.14jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: I'm having fun here - the chroot is copied for experrimentation
17:41.16alteregoI think he might have been saying that's what he'd want it to be because of the simularity.
17:41.21keriojoga: it is on my remapped keyboard
17:41.25jogakerio, ok
17:41.43merlin1991jpinx-eeepc, but you're still using your weird ssh tunnel :D
17:41.49jpinx-eeepcmerlin1991: I'm still using the ssh over usb and the eeepc as a gateway to the public wifi
17:41.50jogaon my keyboard capslock is also ctrl, right ctrl is escape and scroll lock is esc+a but whatever :)
17:41.57timelessfor me fn-z is ~ and fn-c is |
17:42.02timelesswhich is grerat
17:42.03jogaoh and the key to the left of 1 is alt
17:42.12timelessas i have no need for GBP or EUR
17:43.00jogaI haven't remapped the n900 keyboard but having pipe and stuff would be nice, now I have those on the key bar though
17:43.35meceis there some howto on remapping?
17:43.45meceI wouldn't know where to start.
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17:46.51keriomece: sudo vi /usr/share/x11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51
17:47.08kerioor X11
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17:51.19mecekerio, thanks.. looks like hard work though.
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17:51.47kerionah
17:52.11keriojust mind the indistinguishable combos
17:52.56Otacon22Hello, i need help on my n900: i can't no longer see the special character view pressing Sym+Fn
17:53.24timelessotacon: did you install something like the hebrew keyboard?
17:53.36Otacon22timeless, i've installed scim some days ago
17:53.39Otacon22but i've removed it
17:53.50Otacon22completly
17:54.23Otacon22since when i've installed scim the special character view doesn't appear
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17:55.06lolloohello
17:56.04lollooAm trying to recieve Arabic E-mail... but when I open it in my N900 it shows wrong characters!
17:56.30lollooas if it is not using the right unicode characters
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17:56.52lollooit shows multiple "??????" so many
17:56.53Chibi-Taigaguys how can i get set my cpu to stock sped ?
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17:58.11BelmoroneEnter text here...Ciao bella2026sono un bel 25 enne 2026.aggiungimi su messenger ho cam e ci divertiamo2026se vuoi  anche in anonimo2026il mio contatto è    soltantodonne@live.it   AGGIUNGIMI2026CI DIVERTIAMO2026PROVARE X CREDERE
17:59.10ArGGu^^Hello, my friend has a problem with his n900. If he has sms chat open, but display off his phone will not give any notification of received sms to that chat.
18:00.08ArGGu^^No sms ring tone, flashing led or vibration.
18:00.32ArGGu^^Has anyone else had this problem?
18:01.07timelessseems likely to be by design
18:01.32lolloommm try call notifier app
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18:05.01ArGGu^^lolloo you mean this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48501
18:05.22ArGGu^^or is there another app
18:06.28lollooyes this one
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18:07.24Maceri have no idea why but modest will no longer work with zimbra imap
18:07.27ArGGu^^lolloo ok thanks.
18:07.28Macerany other client works
18:07.51Macerit will download the email lists from the imap but when trying to open an email it just kind of tries to open it then goes back to the email list screen
18:07.54DocScrutinizermece: (gone, bah) http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters
18:10.18DocScrutinizerMacer: dunno if notifier app will help, but likely it's a design flaw of conversations app
18:10.56DocScrutinizerMacer: also a known issue, though I don't know if there's a ticket for it yet
18:11.29MohammadAGMacer, happens to me sometimes, I clear modest's cache and it works again
18:11.38DocScrutinizererr, sorry ->arggu
18:12.32DocScrutinizerhates drive-by askers
18:12.46MacerMohammadAG: hm. where does it store the cache? in ~/.modest?
18:13.04MohammadAGyes, you might lose some settings :P
18:13.12MohammadAGthe word some is probably an understatement here
18:13.12MohammadAGxD
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18:13.45Macernope
18:13.56Macerit doesn't seem to even want to refresh the imap acct
18:14.50Macerwas working fine with modest until i updated zimbra. but it is still odd that all other clients work with it EXCEPT modest :)
18:14.56Macereven the android email app works fine with it
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18:15.12Macermodest is the only one that isn't playing nice with zimbra
18:15.44Maceris there anywhere else modest keeps stuff?
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18:17.14ShadowJKthere's a clear cache option in the modest menus, iirc
18:17.35Maceris there  a verbose flag for running it from a term?
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18:19.24ArGGu^^DocScrutinizer but How it can be a design flaw because it works on my n900
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18:20.20Macernope. still fail
18:20.29Maceralthough i'm a little confused as to me rm -rf .modest
18:20.33Macerand i still have settings at all :)
18:20.41keesjwhat is a good price for a second hand n900 these days?
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18:20.58Macerkeesj: about $200 with a new contract from any carrier to get a good android phone
18:21.01Macergrins
18:21.06nox-moin
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18:22.25Macerblah. of course modest has to be the only damn email client that doesn't work .. go figure
18:22.31Macerthe ONLY one i WANT to work :)
18:22.43MohammadAGKhertan_, ping
18:22.45Maceris there some other email client i can get for maemo that is integrated?
18:22.55Maceror that can be integrated?
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18:23.12MohammadAGnope
18:23.16Macerawesome
18:23.31ShadowJKused tcpdump to figure out what was wrong with his modest
18:23.55MacerShadowJK: you are using a zimbra server too?
18:24.17Macerwtf. i rm -rf .modest and i stil have settings
18:24.35MohammadAGgconf :P
18:24.48ShadowJKor .config/modest
18:25.00SpeedEvilapt-get remove modest
18:25.01Macerthere isn't a .config/modest
18:25.15DocScrutinizergconf-crap
18:25.18ShadowJKMacer, no I use dovecot
18:25.22DocScrutinizermaybe
18:25.32Chibi-Taigaguys is there an easy way to return to stock settings for cpu ?
18:25.34MohammadAGSpeedEvil, that fixes half the problem and creates another half
18:25.53DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: reflash
18:25.59ShadowJKmaybe you need to kill modest first
18:26.06ShadowJKit's left running after you close it
18:26.35MacerARGH
18:27.00DocScrutinizerand odds are it even writes back config on regular quit :-P
18:27.04MohammadAGChibi-Taiga, uhh, reflash stock kernel
18:27.07Maceri want to get a G2 but i don't think i can take this n900 anymore
18:27.24Chibi-Taigai try
18:27.29Chibi-Taigabut it doent work
18:27.50Chibi-Taigahttp://img291.imageshack.us/img291/7388/screenshot2010090620215.png http://img227.imageshack.us/img227/8855/screenshot2010090620214.png
18:28.02Chibi-Taigais what it says but no changes
18:28.12Maceris there symbian for n900?
18:28.15ShadowJKno
18:28.21Chibi-Taigawhen use this apt-get install --reinstall kernel kernel-flasher
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18:28.33ShadowJKWell you could try install it, I suppose, but then you'd have like 0 apps
18:28.44ShadowJKand probably not all the hw drivers needed to talk to stuff liek modem
18:28.45Macerhaha
18:28.48DocScrutinizer~flashing
18:28.48infobot[flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
18:28.57MohammadAGI don't see a reason Symbian^3 can't be ported
18:29.05MohammadAGother than being pointless
18:29.17DuckbootChibi-Taiga: That's a know problem - probably libsdl-ttf<something>
18:29.19ShadowJKnods
18:29.26Maceri was hoping maybe since it was nokia's official OS that they might have had that going on or something
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18:29.32ShadowJK"avoid-frequencies" was misspelled btw
18:29.42Chibi-Taigai see
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18:29.44ShadowJKnot that I know what putting "echo" inside it would doo
18:30.03ShadowJKMacer, on the other hand they've shown videos of symbian on atom
18:30.04DuckbootChibi-Taiga: I had to remove som games because of it.
18:30.16Chibi-Taigawell i dont know what to remove
18:30.26Chibi-Taigai can uninstall everything again
18:30.26DocScrutinizer~flashing
18:30.26infoboti heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
18:30.33MacerShadowJK: right about now i'd take anything other than maemo as long as the modem worked
18:30.41Maceri hope nitdroid puts the modem stuff in their next release
18:30.41Duckbootremove freeciv
18:30.57ShadowJKI think you're in the wrong channel then :)
18:31.01DuckbootMacer: It's the plan atleast
18:31.56DocScrutinizerMacer: get a decent android phone?
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18:32.34Chibi-Taigasigh this i wont do, last time when i changed libusb i had to format my pc since usb wont work so cant use kb/mouse
18:32.37DocScrutinizerI mean, that's about as silly as it can get - get a N900 and seek for nitdroid
18:32.42MacerDocScrutinizer: yeah. i'm looking at them now
18:33.47Chibi-Taigaohwell guess i should use my portable charger now, since its idling at 500-700mhz
18:33.48MacerDocScrutinizer: well. i would stick with maemo if it was realistically going to be around in another year or so but that cow is dead
18:33.51Macermoo
18:33.55DocScrutinizerstares at Chibi-Taiga
18:34.15Maceri suppose it will be around in a "well.. this is all i have to work with" kind of way with internet tablets
18:34.57Chibi-Taigawould it work if i use nsu 3 ?
18:35.26Chibi-Taigawould it be stock again ?
18:35.54DocScrutinizerMacer: tell me why is that all dudes turning away from maemo for debatable reasons have the stong urge to let whole maemo community know about it?
18:36.37DocScrutinizerChibi-Taiga: REFLASH!!!
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18:36.41DocScrutinizer~flashing
18:36.41infobotwell, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
18:36.43MohammadAGwould bang head on keyboard, but the laptop's new
18:37.02Chibi-Taigaguess i try it with nsu
18:37.21DocScrutinizerI guess I try it with +q
18:38.09Macerdebatable? :) i don't know. maybe to lure devs away from a dying os so they can work on one that might be around later.. but then again.. judging by what nokia did to maemo you never know what may be next ;)
18:38.47Macerhm. they don't seem to make newer android phones with hw qwerty :/
18:39.18luke-jr_Lucretia_: I'm not sure on the 4.4 -> 4.5 changes; ABI also broke from 4.3 -> 4.4
18:39.20jpinxN900chroot2when I installed chroot, where was the command chroot installed? Not in /sbin I believe ?
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18:40.28DocScrutinizer`which chroot` helps
18:40.58jpinxN900chroot2thanks DocScrutinizer
18:41.38DocScrutinizerI'm starting to build up a mood that's not adequate for participating in this chan... So o/
18:42.05jpinxN900chroot2take it easy mate :)
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18:42.37GAN900Macer, MeeGo?
18:43.56_Lucretia_luke-jr: the abi thing tho, was an error and was fixable or was it done on purpose?
18:44.12DocScrutinizerswitches the anti-t.m.o MTHELs to automatic mode, and leaves, mumbling weird stuff
18:44.13luke-jr_Lucretia_: neither
18:44.29_Lucretia_eh?
18:44.31luke-jr_Lucretia_: well, either intentional or acceptable
18:44.40luke-jrmight have been a "oh, that broke compat… oh well"
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18:45.40_Lucretia_luke-jr: I'll look into it
18:45.53_Lucretia_luke-jr: do you know why I can't log into my n900 from mad?
18:45.58_Lucretia_password just fails
18:46.00luke-jr_Lucretia_: no idea what mad is
18:46.03_Lucretia_madde
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18:46.15luke-jrstill
18:46.44_Lucretia_k
18:46.57_Lucretia_gave up on scratchbox and is trying madde instead
18:47.16slonopotamus_Lucretia_: http://gcc.gnu.org/gcc-4.4/changes.html
18:47.21luke-jris forbidden to tell what he uses.
18:47.36slonopotamus_Lucretia_: Packed bit-fields of type char were not properly bit-packed on many targets prior to GCC 4.4. On these targets, the fix in GCC 4.4 causes an ABI change.
18:47.38_Lucretia_luke-jr: cant be any worse than sb or buildroot
18:47.57jpinxN900chroot2_Lucretia_: what aare you trying to do?
18:47.59luke-jr_Lucretia_: no, probably better. but DocScrutinizer insists it is off-topic and unwelcome here.
18:48.07bobbNeed some advice on installing one ap on n900. Anyone?
18:48.21luke-jr_Lucretia_: if you're interested anyway, feel free to PM
18:48.38slonopotamusbobb: i advice avoiding installing it
18:48.46_Lucretia_slonopotamus: and there will not be a 4.4 build of the fw for n900?
18:49.03luke-jr_Lucretia_: almost certainly not. that would break ABI :p
18:49.03_Lucretia_jpinxN900chroot2: in what respect? general dev or madde?
18:49.04slonopotamus_Lucretia_: maemo is abandoned, isn't it?
18:49.54_Lucretia_dunno
18:49.58slonopotamus(well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen)
18:50.07_Lucretia_most likely, nokia tend to create something then abandon it straight away
18:50.28_Lucretia_slonopotamus: that is very annoying
18:50.33bobbhttp://bergie.iki.fi/blog/buscatcher-never_miss_another_tram/
18:50.41slonopotamus_Lucretia_: that's nokia way
18:50.44_Lucretia_especially after spending £400 on the thing
18:50.47Chibi-Taigaso nokia dropped the maemo project ?
18:51.08Chibi-Taigalast time i readed something that nokia want all its new deviced in maemo platform
18:51.26slonopotamusChibi-Taiga: officially, not yet (though they stopped developing hildon)
18:51.43Chibi-Taigai see
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18:51.56luke-jrChibi-Taiga: uh, where'd you read that myth?
18:52.09jpinxN900chroot2so much crap talked
18:52.09_Lucretia_jpinxN900chroot2: My aim is to get a full ARM port of the GNAT compiler and wanted to use the latest version, oh well
18:52.10Chibi-Taigaways back
18:52.18luke-jrChibi-Taiga: the closest thing I've heard from Nokia is that Symbian is their phone platform
18:52.27DocScrutinizerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c  0:55 - all I can say
18:52.37Chibi-Taiganokia wanted to o completly over to maemo t
18:52.39Chibi-Taigaive readed
18:52.49slonopotamusChibi-Taiga: that's outdated info :)
18:52.50Maceranybody want to buy my n900.. i'm going to switch to verizon and get an android phone in a couple of days so if anybody here is looking for one just let me know
18:53.20slonopotamusChibi-Taiga: current thing is meego (though it doesn't support lots of stuff yet)
18:53.22Chibi-Taigasymbian seems the be most populair os for smartphones
18:53.32Chibi-Taigano it does
18:53.34_Lucretia_symbian really is shit tho
18:53.39Chibi-Taigajust need to code it yourself
18:53.53Chibi-Taigalinux is same as windows 2000nt
18:54.01Chibi-Taigaall manual instalation and coding
18:54.21_Lucretia_does piss me off that we get fuck all from nokia, we give em £400-500 for this thing and then they say, fuck off
18:54.34lpotterfud. all of it
18:54.36_Lucretia_I wasn't going to buy an n900 either, I was talked into it
18:54.47Appiahnokia never told me to fuck off
18:54.50Appiah?
18:54.52DocScrutinizer_Lucretia_:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c  0:55
18:54.54slonopotamus_Lucretia_: you wasn't forced to buy n900
18:54.56Chibi-Taigasomeone adviced me n900
18:55.27jpinxN900chroot2DocScrutinizer: :( This video contains content from Turner EU, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds
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18:55.35Chibi-Taigabut he was a linux user so he knows his ways
18:55.49MNZROFL @ DocScrutinizer
18:56.16jpinxN900chroot2Chibi-Taiga: please stop talking crap
18:56.37slonopotamusChibi-Taiga: Nxxx are good until they're abandoned (what happens < 2 years after inception)
18:56.42DocScrutinizerjpinxN900chroot2: he won't - I asked several times
18:56.53_Lucretia_Appiah: not directly, but by releasing something then dropping it after people pay (a lot of money for it), that's tantamount to saying "fuck off"
18:57.24lpotterdropping it?
18:57.24Appiahwhat the support is dropped?
18:57.32DocScrutinizerWHO? DROPPED? WHAT?
18:57.35Chibi-Taigai see
18:57.39_Lucretia_potatoes
18:57.40_Lucretia_anyway
18:57.40AdeonI dropped my lenses!
18:57.42Appiahplease show me the source of this information _Lucretia_
18:57.49_Lucretia_can anyone help me with this madde thing?
18:57.50Chibi-Taigai should realy gone off samsung android
18:57.50AppiahI dont belive nokia would drop the support
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18:58.04_Lucretia_Appiah: just what I keep hearing in places like this
18:58.21Appiahwell they have not :D
18:58.31slonopotamusDocScrutinizer: nokia stopped _any_ hildon development. that is called "drop support"
18:58.53_Lucretia_Appiah: and this -> <slonopotamus> (well, maybe there'll be pr1.3 with minor fixes, but i don't believe any more updates will happen)
18:59.03DocScrutinizerthat's what is called "mission accomplished" in my book
18:59.06MNZChibi-Taiga, #android
18:59.06_Lucretia_Appiah: and what slonopotamus just said
18:59.07Appiah_Lucretia_: that does not mean end of support
18:59.16Chibi-Taigabut what would be best os for phones these time ?
18:59.24jpinx-eeepc_Lucretia_: if you are a dev, you should know better than to spread cruft like that
18:59.25_Lucretia_Appiah: does mean dead project tho
18:59.35Appiahmeans they move on..
18:59.41lcukslonopotamus, nahh
18:59.41_Lucretia_too quickly
18:59.42Appiahjust like must OSs do
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18:59.46_Lucretia_can anyone help me with this madde thing?
18:59.52lpotterslonopotamus: no, thats called stopping development
18:59.52Appiahwho are you to decide the lifecycle?
19:00.00_Lucretia_the end user
19:00.11_Lucretia_anyways
19:00.18crashanddiethat'll be enough of the flaming guys
19:00.19slonopotamuslpotter: "any development" includes bugfixes reported by users
19:00.19_Lucretia_I just need help with -> can anyone help me with this madde thing?
19:00.20timelesso2 pretty much scewed me out of 20gbp
19:00.30X-Fade_Lucretia_: So your device is unusable the minute development stops? :)
19:00.31Macerwonder if i can get $200 for this n900
19:00.39Maceri bet i can easily ebay it to some sucker for that much :)
19:00.43DocScrutinizersigh, go watch  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBvozWsdu5c  0:55  another few times, it's (for) *you*
19:00.46timelessand they can't even spell company right...
19:00.53slonopotamuslpotter: if user reports a bug against hildon and doesn't get it fixed, it effectively means he has no support
19:01.03lcukslonopotamus, ahh
19:01.12crashanddieandre__: it's your last day?
19:01.13lcukyou mean like the one madam fixed after his little posting
19:01.25lcukyes, i understand
19:01.25X-FadeAnyway, the n900 may have the longest support ever with meego on it.
19:01.51MNZDocScrutinizer, when will you start kicking?
19:01.52slonopotamuslcuk: i don't parse your random sounds :)
19:01.58_Lucretia_X-Fade: and I saw a post today that mentioned it's likely it won't be an official image anyway
19:02.07lcukslonopotamus, you don't have to.  madam said hildon was free
19:02.22X-Fade_Lucretia_: Well, current development images published already look very promising.
19:02.28GAN900Disgruntled consumers (yes, you do have a right to be) should take their complaints to Nokia (doesn't) Care.
19:02.30lcukits a solid reliable desktop
19:02.43slonopotamuslcuk: yeah, but the point is that _nokia_ doesn't support it anymore
19:02.49jpinx-eeepc_Lucretia_: you have probably talked your way out of any possibility of help in here
19:02.53DocScrutinizerMNZ: not long until I either start shouting and kicking, or rather should really go for a walk, and hope the whining mood here will go away until I return
19:02.56GAN900The phone number will be listed on your country's Nokia site.
19:03.04lcukslonopotamus, strange
19:03.08lcukdo you have a problem with it
19:03.09andre__crashanddie, is it?
19:03.13lcukif so, wheres the bug
19:03.15_Lucretia_jpinx-eeepc: why's that? because I had an opinion? I wasn't getting any anyway
19:03.31lcukand have you contacted nokia support about it?
19:03.35GAN900crashanddie, are you confusing Karsten with Andre?
19:03.36lcukto ask
19:03.48lcukif not, how do you know its not supported?
19:04.20GAN900Now, this isn't to say that contacting Care wont be painful as hell, but it's better thanm shouting into the ether here.
19:04.29slonopotamuslcuk: you want to say there are no open bugreports in bugzilla against hildon?
19:04.43lcukslonopotamus, i want you to ask nokia support directly
19:04.46lcukif you have a problem
19:05.10crashanddieGAN900, andre__: apologies, my email ticker showed me an email from Andre quoting Karsten... without indicating it was a quote
19:05.15lcukthis channel is not a support mechanism
19:05.32andre__crashanddie: in that case I am sorry too, as you've not gotten rid off me yet in maemo ;-))
19:05.54crashanddieandre__: well, that's the whole point, WE DON'T WANT YOU TO GO
19:06.08crashanddieI was nearly shellshocked, "ANOTHER ONE LEAVING????? OMGeleven!!!"
19:06.17andre__crashanddie: now that makes things more complicated.
19:06.34crashanddielol, I'm kicking off "caps alerts" against myself
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19:07.45andre__crashanddie: I don't plan to leave currently. However I've got my personal expectations towards Nokia with deadlines included that I communicate to them, as it seems that they learn too slowly from their mistakes.
19:07.46slonopotamuscrashanddie: now you have to kick'n'ban yourself
19:07.46X-Fadecrashanddie: We can't have andre__ leave, he is worth his weight in gold. (well not if he has a big mean, but normally yes ;)
19:07.58X-Fades/mean/meal/
19:08.18andre__X-Fade: I know I have to lose weight (my g/f says the same), but thanks for the nice way you chose to express it ;-)
19:08.48X-Fadeandre__: Hehe no problem ;)
19:09.34MohammadAGUnrar add-on for the file manager, for those lazy to use the CLI :P http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=808840#post808840
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19:10.02slonopotamusMohammadAG: available in extras*?
19:10.15slonopotamus(maybe i'm too lazy) :D
19:10.25MohammadAGextras-devel
19:10.34slonopotamuscool
19:10.39slonopotamus+1 for you then :)
19:11.33lcukslonopotamus, addendum, if you do find and fix a bug in hildon, submit a merge request to gitorious and see if it gets accepted :)
19:11.51djszapiis there a maemo 6 SDK ?
19:12.21djszapi:))
19:12.54djszapihttp://wiki.meego.com/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux
19:14.55slonopotamusmeh
19:15.27nox-so there will be official support for meego on n900?
19:15.47djszapinobody knows, neither does Nokia
19:16.08nox-ok :)
19:16.43alteregoNo, not official ..
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19:30.06Chibi-Taigabtw is there any way to make folders to drop the apps like on smartphones?
19:30.11Chibi-Taigai mean menus
19:32.04FIQwut?
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19:32.23FIQyou can uninstall applications yes, if that was what you asked
19:32.55Chibi-Taigano i wanna make menus like " internet applications in menu internet"
19:32.57andre__smartphones? are they available yet?
19:33.05andre__ah, categories
19:33.21Chibi-Taigayea
19:33.27andre__http://maemo.org/packages/view/catorise/
19:33.52Chibi-Taigais it safe ?
19:34.02GAN900djszapi / nox-, no, no there wont be.
19:34.05DocScrutinizer51screw catorize
19:34.07Chibi-Taiga1st time i tryed mymeny my whole menu was gone
19:34.25DocScrutinizer51apmefo ftw
19:34.27nox-ok
19:34.57Jaffa_Ev'ning
19:34.58DocScrutinizer51Chibi-Taiga: look for app called apmefo
19:34.58timelessandre: i was told by o2 that my n900 being a smartphone wasn't in the same class as the iphone
19:35.10Jaffa_I hate flights which afre delayed.
19:35.11Chibi-Taigaok i do
19:35.23timelessjaffa: geoping
19:35.38Jaffa_especially when your phone battery starts dying. When your phone is an N900, that doesn't take that lokng
19:35.59ml-mobilenot when you're using it heavily
19:36.04timelessonly has one n900 for a month
19:36.06Jaffa_timeless: LHR (heading to Stockholm)
19:36.14timelessjaffa: darn
19:36.16ml-mobilethe radios eat power like candy
19:36.22timelessi'm downtown
19:36.36DocScrutinizer51lo Jaffa_
19:36.44timelesshad i stayed at a cheap hotel i could have tried to meet you at the airport
19:36.47Jaffa_ml-mobile: No shit.
19:37.00GAN900I think the battery scale is geometric.
19:37.04timelessalthough i suspect that'd cost you two passport stamps
19:37.13GAN900Going from half to dead takes no time at all.
19:37.30timelessgan: it isn't linear
19:37.41timelessmy impression is that this is fairly common
19:38.38Jaffa_belatedly pongs dneary (tho' he's not here)
19:39.11Jaffa_Hmm, why am I underscroed.
19:39.19Jaffa_s/roe/ore/
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19:50.45trumeetimeless: around?
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19:56.52lcukbobb, why would you ask that sort of question in a private message window?
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19:58.38lcukit says on the page he doesnt want to push to extras atm
19:58.44lcukie, ask him directly
19:58.46lcuk:P
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20:01.54tobis87Hi! My last test shows, that twofish-cbc-essiv 256bit is as fast as aes-cbc-essiv 128bit WITH hw accel on the N900. :-D
20:02.05SpeedEvilWoo!
20:02.13SpeedEvilOr not.
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20:02.24SpeedEvilDo you happen to recall what the fastest hashing speed you've seen is?
20:02.26mintux1I would like ssh to my phone without password so I did it this manual http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41547  but I got this error http://codepad.org/Vs2MjCzP
20:02.28tobis87maybe this is, because aes was optimized for x86
20:03.00mecehmm.. that worked for me at least.
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20:03.46meceyeah
20:03.57mecewell I think it was that one.
20:04.17mintux1a different things I saw was in /etc/passwd
20:04.37tobis87blowfish was faster on all other architectures than x86... I don't know how much twofish builds on blowfish, but this is interesting... But could still be that the hw accel. driver is not working properly.
20:04.42Chibi-Taigahumm hey guys what was that unzipper called earlyer linked to me
20:04.57mintux1in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh
20:05.42DocScrutinizer51mintux1: you need to check etc/passwd and the perms of your home, .ssh, and .ssh/*
20:06.14mintux1DocScrutinizer51: what should I check ? what looks for ? in /etc/passwd
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20:06.29DocScrutinizer51user:!: won't work
20:07.18DocScrutinizer51your home and ssh dir mustn't be readable for others
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20:08.47mintux1DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*:
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20:09.00DocScrutinizer51that's ok afaik
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20:09.44mintux1DocScrutinizer51: .ssh dir per is drwx------
20:10.14mintux1DocScrutinizer51: and auth..._keys is -rw-------
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20:11.37tobis87SpeedEvil: without encryption 16,1MB/s, aes-128 5,7MB/s, aes-128 hw accel 7,9MB/s, aes-256 4,4MB/s, aes-256 hw accel 6,6MB/s, blowfish-256 7,6MB/s, blowfish-320 7,6MB/s, twofish-256 7,9MB/s
20:12.34tobis87SpeedEvil: gdd bs=1M count=100 if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mapper/swap
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20:13.36DocScrutinizermintux1: and ~/.
20:13.43tobis873 times, calculated the average
20:14.19Chibi-TaigaDocScrutinizer i cant find that ApMeFo to download
20:15.04MNZChibi-Taiga, apt-get install apmefo
20:15.42DocScrutinizerMNZ: wtf? why not use ham?
20:15.46mintux1DocScrutinizer: drwxr_xr_x
20:15.51Chibi-Taigacant find package
20:15.58Chibi-Taigaso it says
20:16.05DocScrutinizerchmod go-a ~/.
20:16.22MNZDocScrutinizer, if he was using HAM he would have found it, I was assuming he didn't find it because he was trying "ApMeFo" with apt-get
20:16.32Chibi-Taigaand extras devil dont work
20:16.41DocScrutinizermintux1: or chmod 700 ~/.
20:18.04mintux1DocScrutinizer: got same error.it my log http://codepad.org/eUyJWFng
20:19.08MNZChibi-Taiga, apmefo is on extras-devel, not extras-devil.
20:19.17Chibi-Taigaso anyone has the deb file or install ?
20:19.26Chibi-Taigais what i mean
20:19.33DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/apmefo/0.9-6/  http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/a/apmefo/apmefo_0.9-6_all.deb
20:19.39Chibi-Taigai downloaded an install file for that devel
20:19.44Chibi-Taigaoperation failed
20:20.15crashanddiemintux1: .ssh/authorized_keys isn't an important file
20:20.31mintux1crashanddie: I copy content on it
20:20.42Chibi-Taigahttp://my-maemo.com/faq/showquestion.php?faq=4&fldAuto=16 used those files
20:20.45crashanddiemintux1: well, yeah, but other than that it's moot
20:20.47Chibi-Taigabut the devel dont work
20:20.55mintux1crashanddie: so what shall I do now ?
20:20.56DocScrutinizercrashanddie: huh?
20:21.04crashanddiemintux1: the problem from that log you've shown is the fact it can't read your private key
20:21.24DocScrutinizerwait, now crashanddie comes with his /etc/based ssh config
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20:21.40crashanddienot at all
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20:21.52mintux1<PROTECTED>
20:21.53crashanddieI'm just looking at that log file, and seeing a bunch of errors about whitespaces
20:22.06crashanddiewhich tells me that your id_rsa file is buggered
20:22.47keriotobis87: what about cpu usage?
20:22.49mintux1authorized_keys is a directory or file ?
20:23.00crashanddiefile
20:23.11DocScrutinizerdebug3: Not a RSA1 key file /home/mrg/.ssh/id_rsa.
20:23.41mintux1so I copy contents of id_rsa.pub into authorized_keys
20:23.41crashanddiemore importantly:
20:23.42crashanddiedebug2: key_type_from_name: unknown key type '-----END'
20:23.42crashanddiedebug3: key_read: missing keytype
20:23.55mintux1I copied
20:24.05crashanddiemintux1: yeah, cp .ssh/id_rsa.pub .ssh/authorized_keys
20:24.08mintux1I did everything wrote in that how to
20:24.21crashanddieok, last question
20:24.27mintux1crashanddie: I did it before
20:24.37SpeedEviltobis87: I note time dd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|md5sum -
20:24.37SpeedEvilreal0m 3.49s
20:24.56crashanddiewell, I'm guessing that you have the wrong keys on the wrong machine
20:25.01tobis87kerio: I didn't had any other program running than xterm, so I assume the fastes is the one with the most bytes per cycles.
20:25.15DocScrutinizermintux1: aiui your local .ssh/id_rsa is borked
20:25.17crashanddiemintux1: you're trying to connect to your n900 over ssh with public keys, correct?
20:25.29mintux1crashanddie: I did this steps: first remove both .ssh dir on my pc and phone. then I did that manual
20:25.41mintux1crashanddie: yes
20:25.45crashanddie"that" means nothing to me
20:25.59crashanddieOK, I'll be your manual from now on
20:26.10mintux1thanks
20:26.12crashanddierm -rf ~/.ssh on both computer and n900
20:26.21DocScrutinizeryikes
20:26.28tobis87SpeedEvil: is the speed calculation from gdd not correct? why md5sum?
20:26.33DocScrutinizersuggest that to me, dude :-P
20:26.58mintux1crashanddie: done
20:27.09crashanddiemintux1: on the computer: ssh-keygen
20:27.18SpeedEviltobis87: It's the only hashing function I'm aware of on the n900 by default
20:27.21crashanddie(use a passphrase, it's safer)
20:27.38mintux1empty or not?
20:27.43crashanddie...
20:27.50tobis87SpeedEvil: Yes, I have compiled rmd256... and used this for the tests
20:27.53SpeedEvilActually - no - sha1sum is there too
20:28.01mintux1I used passphrase
20:28.02mintux1then
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20:28.24crashanddieok, on your n900: mkdir ~/.ssh
20:28.31SpeedEvilmd5sum goes at 30M/s, sha1 at 13.7
20:28.35mintux1now im in Enter same passphrase again:  what should I enter?
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20:29.04tobis87SpeedEvil: does md5sum use the kernel modules, or a userspace implementation?
20:29.06mintux1ok I made .ssh
20:29.11SpeedEviltobis87: Oh.
20:29.38SpeedEviltobis87: and : gdd if=/dev/zero bs=1024 count=102400|gmd5sum -
20:29.39SpeedEvil104857600 bytes (105 MB) copied, 2.24353 s, 46.7 MB/s
20:29.51Venemogood evening guys
20:29.58Venemo&girls (if any)
20:30.02mintux1crashanddie: then ?
20:30.11SpeedEvilWith gsha1 being 21M/s
20:30.27crashanddiemintux1: chmod 711 .ssh
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20:30.40crashanddie(from memory, not sure of that one)
20:30.56mintux1done
20:31.04Tucomorning guys
20:31.17crashanddieon your computer scp ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub user@IPofyourN900:.ssh/
20:31.21mintux1on n900 chmod 711 .ssh done
20:31.21DocScrutinizer711?
20:31.23SpeedEviltobis87: I would assume userspace.
20:31.26DocScrutinizernot 700?
20:31.42crashanddieDocScrutinizer: no, sshd needs to be able to enter it to read the authorized_keys file
20:31.48DocScrutinizerooh
20:32.11crashanddie1 is x on directory (traverse)
20:32.31kerioso i see the hw crypto is not much better than the sw crypto
20:32.56mintux1crashanddie: I could not ssh http://codepad.org/71Tylb55
20:32.59SpeedEvilkerio: This is hashing speed.
20:33.13kerioyeah, whatever
20:33.14SpeedEvilkerio: Also - trhe power usage may be different
20:33.18kerioooh good point
20:33.26mintux1afetr that manual I can not ssh to my phone
20:33.37mintux1maybe I should change something in sshd_config
20:33.45crashanddiemintux1: not really
20:33.52tobis87SpeedEvil: So the gnu program is faster... Anyway using sha1 is unsafe. There aren't many hash functions which are safe and fast. Whirlpool might be safe, but hell slow... The sha-2 group is only a matter of time to become broken, I would recommend rmd -> http://homes.esat.kuleuven.be/~bosselae/ripemd160.html
20:33.53mintux1PasswordAuthentication no
20:33.55crashanddiemintux1: just get your id_rsa.pub file on there some other way
20:34.10DocScrutinizersend per email :-P
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20:34.13mintux1crashanddie: I did in ssh_config PasswordAuthentication no
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20:34.20mintux1return it ?
20:34.26DocScrutinizercould help
20:34.28crashanddiesorry, did not compute.
20:34.36crashanddiebut yeah, set it to yes for a second
20:34.43crashanddieyou'll have to create a password for the user account though
20:34.44SpeedEviltobis87: Sure.
20:34.52SpeedEviltobis87: It's interesting for some cases.
20:35.02DocScrutinizerI guess he already has
20:35.08tobis87kerio: it is faster, but only for aes... twofish is as fast as the hw version of aes
20:35.14crashanddietobis87: sha1 isn't safe?
20:35.37DocScrutinizer<mintux1> in this how to it was user:!:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh but mine was user:wN1DAS0Mqp3vE:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh
20:35.38SpeedEviltobis87: For example - deciding if of all of the pages in RAM - any are identical
20:35.42DocScrutinizerbut
20:35.51DocScrutinizer<mintux1> DocScrutinizer51: in /etc/passwd is user:*:
20:35.54mintux1crashanddie: I see password prompt but it doesn't accept my password
20:36.39crashanddiemintux1: on the n900, root, then passwd user
20:36.39mintux1DocScrutinizer: I think it refer to that point. it doesn't accept my pasword my config is user:*:29999:29999::/home/user:/bin/sh now
20:36.50mintux1ok
20:36.58DocScrutinizermintux1: passwd user on N900 xterm
20:37.14crashanddieDocScrutinizer: he has to root first, otherwise it asks for the current password
20:37.26DocScrutinizeryep
20:37.38DocScrutinizerthat's why passwd user, not just passwd
20:37.45crashanddietrue
20:38.05mintux1done . but I got http://codepad.org/vkPBxgWa
20:38.24tobis87SpeedEvil: http://cryptome.org/sha1-attacks.htm
20:39.04DocScrutinizermintux1: ls .ssh  please
20:39.06crashanddiemintux1: ls -l ~/.ssh
20:39.17DocScrutinizereven that
20:39.47mintux1it's wonderful I created ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub before . http://codepad.org/lAsDxFS9
20:40.22mintux1I created again
20:40.23crashanddiemintux1: were you root when you did ssh-keygen?
20:40.32DocScrutinizerlol
20:40.37crashanddiessh-keygen generates the id_rsa and id_rsa.pub files
20:40.46SpeedEviltobis87: For whch I utterly don't care about those attacks as long as sha1 is a valid hash function. I do not especially care about attacks on the hashing algorithm.
20:40.47crashanddieit even sets the right permissions on .ssh and files inside it
20:40.53DocScrutinizerin the .ssh of *current user*
20:40.59mintux1in ~  . but I think something is wrong . I'll create it again
20:41.17mintux1now I have it
20:41.23DocScrutinizer:-)
20:41.28mintux1done
20:41.34mintux1id_rsa.pub                                    100%  397     0.4KB/s   00:00
20:41.41crashanddiegood, now try to ssh
20:41.53crashanddiewoops, sorry
20:41.53DocScrutinizereh?
20:41.55crashanddieforgot one step
20:42.10DocScrutinizermv rsa.pub hosts_allowed
20:42.15crashanddieno
20:42.33crashanddiemv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
20:42.45DocScrutinizererr, yes
20:42.46crashanddieon the N900, AS USER
20:42.50crashanddienot root
20:42.53luke-jrpffty
20:42.56luke-jrssh-copy-id wfm
20:43.04DocScrutinizerluke-jr: ack
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20:43.33crashanddieluke-jr: well, that only works if password is allowed in the first place, which wasn't the case here :P
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20:44.02mintuxI disconnected . please copy if you wrote anythings
20:44.15mintuxsorry
20:44.34crashanddiemintux1: as user on n900: mv ~/.ssh/id_rsa.pub ~/.ssh/authorized_keys
20:44.44mintuxok
20:45.10mintuxdone
20:45.15crashanddienow it should work
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20:45.48mintuxyeah
20:45.51mintuxthat works
20:45.56mintuxit's great
20:46.17mintuxnow I can continue writing  my bash script
20:46.30mintux<PROTECTED>
20:46.41crashanddiemy pleasure
20:46.45DocScrutinizeryw
20:46.53mintux:)
20:47.09crashanddieso that was the good deed for the day
20:47.12crashanddienow I can go to bed
20:47.28DocScrutinizermintux: keep your rsa_key and rsa_key.pub, you can use them everywhere and multiple times
20:47.38mintuxhmm
20:47.47crashanddieand deactivate password login on n900
20:47.47tobis87SpeedEvil: Yes, it won't be easy to replace it anyway, since it is used everywhere... But if you can choose, you should consider to not use it. Regarding OTP, i meant to use it to encrypt a harddisk would be unpractical. Of course you could use otp to encrypt the key which then unlocks the harddrive. But the harddrive itself wouldn't be otp encrypted, only the key is.
20:47.49mintuxexcellent
20:48.03mintuxcrashanddie: why deactivate?
20:48.16crashanddietobis87: which is what I explained last time
20:48.22DocScrutinizerit's on your discretion
20:48.22SpeedEviltobis87: Or for some tasks, it's uninteresting - as I don't care if the encryption is any stronger than CRC32
20:48.25mintuxit works now without deactivate
20:48.32mintuxhmm ok thanks
20:48.42keriocrc32 is awesome and inexpensive
20:48.52DocScrutinizermintux: just it's a security consideration to either keep passwd-auth or disable it
20:48.52mintuxcrashanddie: have good night
20:49.05mintuxok
20:49.44mintuxDocScrutinizer: means . if ssh from another machine that config will loss ?
20:49.44luke-jrany idea how many watts the N810 needs on AC?
20:49.57luke-jrwondering if I can use a splitter to put N810 and MBP on a 100 watt power inverter..
20:50.06keriowhat mbp?
20:50.11luke-jrMacBook Pro
20:50.14kerioduh
20:50.16DocScrutinizermintux: nope
20:50.20keriowhat one?
20:50.21luke-jrthere's more than one MBP?
20:50.29Shadikkathere's like 25 different MBPs.
20:50.32kerioi think the 13" have the smaller charger
20:50.38keriothe 65W
20:50.41kerioas opposed to the 85W
20:50.48luke-jrhow can I tell?
20:50.53kerioit's written on the charger
20:50.53DocScrutinizerit just means whenever you want to establish ssh keys on any other machine, don't rerun ssh-keygen but just use the same files
20:50.54kerio:)
20:51.15crashanddiekerio: 60W mine says
20:51.19luke-jr85W
20:51.27keriooh, it was 60
20:51.30kerioluke-jr: hmm
20:51.37keriothat leaves you with 15W for the charger :|
20:52.15crashanddiewhich is 3 amps at 5V, largely enough
20:52.16DocScrutinizermintux: use ssh-copy-id to any machine, as suggested by luke-jr, or do same steps of scp and mv, but do NOT rerun ssh-keygen
20:52.31luke-jrso how much does N810 need?
20:52.39mintux<PROTECTED>
20:52.42luke-jrdoes it make any difference if I intend my MBP to be powering my N900 btw?
20:52.45crashanddieluke-jr: it's written on the charger
20:52.49DocScrutinizerluke-jr: do NOT rm -rf .ssh
20:52.51luke-jrcrashanddie: not mine
20:52.55kerioluke-jr: nah
20:53.02DocScrutinizererr
20:53.03luke-jrhmm, can MBP charge when it's asleep? :/
20:53.09DocScrutinizermintux: do NOT rm -rf .ssh
20:53.10kerioluke-jr: not mine :(
20:53.11crashanddieluke-jr: no
20:53.19kerioit works for the fucking ipod, why doesn't it work for the n900 :(
20:53.26tobis87Is there a difference between bash and bash3 in the repos?
20:53.27mintuxDocScrutinizer: yeah ok . ill be careful
20:53.38crashanddieluke-jr: the N900 thinks it is, because the mbp provides 5V, but there's some weird apple voodoo going on with the data wires
20:53.39kerioanyway, keep in mind that your battery can probably output more W than the charger
20:53.58luke-jrwonders if there's any possibility to have MBP power off its hard drive completely until I say otherwise
20:54.01kerioi have a 85W charger but the battery could output 90W
20:54.07kerioluke-jr: hmm
20:54.10keriohibernate?
20:54.23crashanddiekerio: I have the 60W charger and 85W battery
20:54.31kerioheh
20:54.46crashanddiekerio: so when I'm running hardcore compilation or photo work, my battery drains even when on AC
20:54.47kerioluke-jr: can't you charge the n8x0 with the mbp?
20:54.52luke-jrkerio: err, no?
20:55.04keriowhy not? :o
20:55.11crashanddiewhy not?
20:55.12DocScrutinizerluke-jr: N810 etc power converter charger needs some 5W MAX
20:55.13keriono power through usb?
20:55.31luke-jrN8x0 doesn't charge via USB…
20:55.58keriosorry for not knowing the hardware of a tablet i don't have and i don't care about :<
20:56.04luke-jr(my N8x0 doesn't charge period, though)
20:56.12crashanddieluke-jr: sure you can: http://europe.nokia.com/support/product-support/nokia-ca-100
20:56.15luke-jrit only runs with AC
20:56.25luke-jrcrashanddie: I'm not in Europe
20:56.34crashanddiethey sell it everywhere :D
20:56.37luke-jrmeh
20:56.49crashanddieor ebay does
20:57.02luke-jrI don't have time
20:57.12luke-jrneed it in under 24 hours
20:57.25keriothe inverter will work doc sez
20:57.42DocScrutinizeryup
20:58.23luke-jrcool
20:58.34luke-jrassuming it does 100W as advertised…
20:58.36luke-jr<.<
20:58.46MohammadAGhmm
20:58.46MohammadAGis there anything faster than X11vnc?
20:58.46MohammadAGlike.. starting X remotely
20:58.47MohammadAGI want my N900's display on my laptop's screen
20:58.48crashanddietobis87: at some stage, we attempted to use smart-card provided certificates for hard drive encryption
20:59.03luke-jrMohammadAG: no
20:59.08DocScrutinizerusually they do a bit more even than what's advertised, though only for a short while
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20:59.36kerioMohammadAG: X11 was compiled without TCP support :(
20:59.40crashanddietobis87: the main problem was that a/ you limit yourself to one single user b/ recovery is a lot more difficult, even with key escrow
20:59.50DocScrutinizerluke-jr: also your MBP charger won't take max all the time
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20:59.59kerioMohammadAG: buy a tv capture card
21:00.03kerio:P
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21:00.18crashanddietobis87: which is why it is now commonly accepted practice to use a proxy key that still enables admin/recovery.
21:00.26crashanddietobis87: and multiple users, too.
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21:02.01MohammadAGkerio, AV sucks
21:02.07MohammadAGTV out that is
21:02.20DocScrutinizercrashanddie: sounds sensible
21:02.33kerioworked nicely to watch inglorious basterds for me
21:02.45crashanddiewell, it's a shit movie
21:02.49crashanddieso shit quality won't hurt it
21:02.49kerioit's really not
21:02.55crashanddieit totally is
21:03.04keriois not
21:03.06crashanddienow half of america is going to think hitler died in a fire in paris
21:03.15luke-jrlol
21:03.22keriocrashanddie: so it's not a shit movie, it's a shit population
21:03.24DocScrutinizer#defocus
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21:04.08DocScrutinizermeh, scratch that, me off for TV
21:04.10DocScrutinizer:-P
21:04.12crashanddieit's still a shit movie that uses a tragic event and marginalises it
21:04.35keriocrashanddie: eli roth killing a nazi with a baseball bat
21:04.59crashanddiePeople will remember the 6 mass murdering jews, who beat the graphic shit out of poor nazis who were doing the ethical thing
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21:05.21kerioand by "people" you mean americans
21:05.23crashanddie("No, I shall not give up my intel so you can kill more of my friends, I will die before that")
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21:05.50crashanddieno, I mean any generation who hasn't passed age 20 when seeing this movie
21:06.02kerioi still haven't passed age 20
21:06.05crashanddieand even then some
21:06.33crashanddieIt's as bad a movie as the passion of christ
21:06.54kerioexcept that nazis are real
21:07.19kerionot sure why you try to attribute a meaning to a movie by tarantino
21:07.21crashanddiewell, there is scientific proof that Jesus has lived. Whether he is or not the son of a god is up for debate
21:08.02crashanddielet's just agree to disagree
21:08.06crashanddieand leave it at that
21:08.14keriobut... you're wrong!
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21:08.19kerio:(
21:08.19tobis87crashanddie: I don't have much knowledge regarding smartcards, but I hope the key server sits behind a DMZ. Latest thing I tried to do at home was a transparent firewall with layer 3 filtering, but I never had the time to do it properly.
21:08.58crashanddietobis87: what do you mean by key server?
21:09.01crashanddieThe certificate authority?
21:09.10tobis87Yes
21:09.21crashanddieWell, the root CA is always heavily protected
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21:09.41crashanddieRoot CA is usually just a hard drive in a safe
21:09.47alteregoHeh, the transitions between my apps' "themes" are gonna be awesome :D
21:10.05keriocrashanddie: is it mirrored?
21:10.09DocScrutinizer51burps a shitty root CA
21:10.21crashanddiekerio: it can, but isn't necessarily
21:10.49keriono, i mean, is there a way to find out if it was manipulated?
21:10.58crashanddieoh, yeah
21:11.04crashanddieyou need n-of-m keys to open it
21:11.19crashanddiefor example, the DoD has a 16 of 128 keys policy
21:11.20keriothe safe?
21:11.38crashanddiemeaning they need 16 smart cards of the 128 smart cards issued to open the private key of the root ca
21:11.44keriooh, i see
21:11.54kerioand the keys are distributed to trusted people
21:12.10crashanddienone of the people holding the smart cards know another one who holds the key, and none of them know the PIN of the card
21:12.22crashanddieso effectively, they need 32 people available
21:12.34keriowait, everyone knows all the other PINs?
21:12.39crashanddienope
21:12.59crashanddieone person only knows one PIN, but doesn't know who holds the smartcard
21:13.03keriodamn, they're really overcomplicating it
21:13.10b-man`lol
21:13.21crashanddieI think that's the whole point of the exercice :P
21:13.50crashanddiekerio: I won't even begin to explain VeriSign's architecture... They have 3 root CAs...
21:13.56crashanddiewell, 3 public ones, at least
21:14.00tobis87crashanddie: Tell us, is DoD 5220.22-M safe, or do we need to use the Gutmann method (35 patterns) to wipe our harddrives. :-D
21:14.13crashanddieno idea what you're talking about, lol
21:14.29tobis87crashanddie: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gutmann_method
21:14.40keriocrashanddie: and every CA needs 512 of 4096 smart cards to open *and* a piece of data that's stored togheter the other two?
21:14.54crashanddiekerio: nha, not that crazy, but still
21:15.02keriowhile in the middle of a pentagram made of blood
21:15.20kerioin a full moon *and* a solstice
21:15.30crashanddieand someone in the kitchen has to walk around an old citroen counter clockwise while painting himself with kitten blood
21:16.17keriothose kittens are sacrificing themselves for our SSLed irc ;_;
21:17.14kerioso... who are those 128 people?
21:17.15kerio:)
21:17.15crashanddiebasically, what those protocols do is make it more likely for a technology-based attack than a methodology
21:17.22crashanddiekerio: I have no idea
21:17.37crashanddiekerio: I wasn't cleared for top secret with US intel
21:18.50crashanddieI was vetted as SC in the UK
21:19.01crashanddiethough that's been withdrawn ever since I applied for the Australian Visa
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21:24.15kerioKaKaRoTo: you've been 1upped by a TI-84
21:24.17keriohttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOSpCoCmOns
21:24.17lcukcrashanddie, SC == Sarcastic Cu??
21:24.24pupnikremember that twilight zone  episode "to serve man"?
21:24.29keriosecurity clearence?
21:24.39crashanddielcuk: what kerio said
21:24.52kerioclearance?
21:24.52lcukwas pulling leg
21:24.57keriolcuk: pull *this* leg
21:25.04lcukno ta
21:25.14crashanddie"That's not a cu.."
21:25.30lcukso this ps3 thing, are people raving because its finally got a game to play on it
21:25.38lcuk"i can unlock it"
21:25.53crashanddielcuk: nha, it's because they now can feel as poor as wii players
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21:26.01keriolcuk: "ps3 has no gamez lolol" is not true anymore
21:26.03crashanddie(who've had homebrew for ages)
21:26.07lcukidk whats top game on the ps3?
21:26.08keriobut of course, wii > ps3
21:26.14keriolcuk: as of now... hmm
21:26.20keriomaybe uncharted 2?
21:26.24lcukas of ever
21:26.25keriokillzone?
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21:26.31kerioand of course mgs4
21:26.37lcuknever heard of them
21:26.38crashanddielittle big planet?
21:26.42keriolittlebigpl-dammit
21:26.54crashanddieheavy rain?
21:26.59lcuklittle bi gpl?
21:27.05RST38hmoos
21:27.22lcukhey RST38h
21:27.23kerioµ, RST38h
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21:27.48keriolcuk: also this hack actually allows for true homebrews
21:27.49RST38hheya lcuk, how are things?
21:28.05lcukkerio, i thought ps3 supported linux natively
21:28.06keriorelatively cheap Cell
21:28.09lcukRST38h, good i think
21:28.09keriolcuk: nope
21:28.13kerionot since 1st april
21:28.14lcukhuh?
21:28.21keriofirmware "upgrade" removed the Other OS function
21:28.25tank-mansony removed OtherOS feature
21:28.32keriothat's what prompted this unlock
21:28.32RST38hyou think? hmmm...
21:28.58lcukRST38h, hammering liqflow inside livewp last couple of hours
21:29.06crashanddiemotorstorm? grand turismo? the elder scrolls? resistance 1 & 2? infamous? tekken 6? ratchet & clank? ninja gaiden? resident evil? god of war? street fighter? dead space? fallout? killzone, batman, bioshock, modern warfare... yeah, definitely no games available on PS3
21:29.20lcukat first glance it runs just as smoothly as normal
21:29.23lcukbut behind all the icon
21:29.25lcuk:)
21:29.29keriocrashanddie: half of those are multiplatform
21:29.32lcuksmiled broadly when i saw that
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21:30.06crashanddiewell, the linux on ps3 was a dud anyway
21:30.17RST38hlcuk: so it should yea
21:30.17crashanddiethe 3 guys who used it must be disappointed, sure...
21:30.30crashanddiekerio: well, the other half then :P
21:30.36johndohi
21:31.15johndoi just try to install some of the maemo developer tools on my n900
21:31.27lcukRST38h, which side of the pond are you on atm?
21:31.31crashanddiemaemo has developer tools?
21:31.44johndosome i can install, but with otheres, e.g. less, i get a warning cannot authenticate package
21:32.01lcukjohndo, auth warnings come based on repository
21:32.03johndofrom the fremantle/tools repository
21:32.19johndoyes, but both packages are in the same repo
21:32.26lcukand the n900 itself is geared up to expect authenticated repos and packages afaik
21:32.35lcukits a warning..
21:32.40lcuknot a blocker?
21:32.51lcukbut its on your head anyway :P
21:32.55DocScrutinizerMNZ: what's state of things with bi-quad filtering for hw EQ?
21:32.55johndoyeah, but i'm somewhat hesitate to install unauth packages ;)
21:32.58RST38hlcuk: west side
21:33.18crashanddiejohndo: are you on a network you don't trust?
21:33.24lcukjohndo, so wait, you rooted your machine, connected it to the maemo.org official sdk repository and no others
21:33.38lcukthe same repo that everyone uses for their scratchbox
21:33.39lcukand same files
21:33.55johndoi just added the fremantle/tools repo
21:34.02crashanddiehaha
21:34.05crashanddiebreakage in sight
21:34.06johndoother repos are default only
21:34.30lcukjohndo, ok, heres what you do
21:35.12lcukYou get an orangutan. I’m not talking a monkey or some dancing chimp BS, I mean a damn orangutan. Don’t ask me how you’re gonna get an orangutan that’s not my problem.
21:35.42johndothanks for the hint xd
21:36.06lcukjohndo, don't install the files if you don't trust them.  simple as - follow the trail and trust your instinct
21:36.23johndoi don't install them
21:36.35lcukthen sorted :P
21:36.52lcukRST38h, are you there for long
21:36.52johndobut what makes me curous is that i can install one package from a repository (like screen) , but not another (like less)
21:36.58crashanddiethrows a lucky strike to lcuk
21:37.07lcukmenthol?
21:37.12crashanddienope
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21:37.26crashanddieOriginal Reeeeeed... It's Toasted!
21:37.29DocScrutinizerblargh  menthol
21:37.45RST38hlcuk: going back east side next week
21:37.50lcukjohndo, packages can be signed and unsigned and I believe its down to the uploader
21:38.10lcukRST38h, are you enjoying your visit thusfar?
21:38.16DocScrutinizerrolls up some decent netherlands tobacco
21:38.36johndooh, so the packages in the tools repo may not be signed?
21:38.41RST38hlcuk: It's ok
21:38.42lcuki grought back a box of 100 finnish cigars once
21:38.43johndothat's allowed? ^^
21:38.43crashanddieDocScrutinizer: drum?
21:38.49DocScrutinizerVanNelle
21:38.55lcuki still have 99 finnish cigars somewhere
21:39.00RST38hwonders what a finnish cigar is
21:39.19lcukRST38h, amusement value at the airport
21:39.27johndoany other safe way to get tools like less to the device?
21:39.33crashanddieRST38h: it's the things you pick up in the ashtray when other people are done with them
21:39.34DocScrutinizeroelyulfmjukusmoerf
21:39.40johndothat more is so crippled does not even support a back key :(
21:39.47crashanddieRST38h: lcuk calls them cigars, we call them "cigarette butts"
21:39.49RST38hDo they roll those from bog moss or what?
21:39.57lcukjohndo, whats unsafe about maemo.org?  if you specifically feel there is a serious problem, then please raise a bug
21:39.59RST38hAh
21:40.01DocScrutinizer(finnish cigar)
21:40.31crashanddieDocScrutinizer: damn, I thought that was the next volcano
21:40.32johndohmm, i'm used from debian to trust only signed packages
21:40.50lcukthats good
21:40.57crashanddiejohndo: maemo is roughly based on debian, but somehow they forgot to implement the really good bits
21:41.00johndobut it's only a phone device, not a server, so ...
21:41.05lcukis there a command i can run to show which are signed/unsigned?
21:41.12DocScrutinizercrashanddie: probably the cigars are named after a smoking volcano
21:41.21johndoapt-get install package :P
21:41.26lcukand list them all from the sdk/tools repository ?
21:41.27crashanddieDocScrutinizer: could be
21:41.34lcukjohndo, not quite what I had in mind
21:41.46johndoi know, but i don't know a better command
21:41.58MNZDocScrutinizer, sorry was grabbing bite
21:42.15lcukjohndo, do you have a scratchbox install handy
21:42.16crashanddiesomehow I misread "bite" as "tits"
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21:42.43johndolcuk: no, only the n900 so far
21:42.48MNZDocScrutinizer, well, right now I'm more concentrated on getting hardware accelerated decoding and completely bypassing PA for headphone playback
21:42.59keriowoot
21:43.13MNZI'm really close to building the damn code
21:43.13DocScrutinizerMNZ: first instance approach, http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt looks like a job for a spreadsheet, to implement a PoC
21:43.42lcukhmm
21:43.47MNZDocScrutinizer, yeah I found this, but this is only useful if you want to do presets
21:43.49lcukless is from a different repo afaik
21:44.00MNZproblem is, we have only two 'points' or filters
21:44.08lcukjohndo, you will come up on other roadblocks if you expect full dev
21:44.20MNZfor an EQ, you would have to approximate the shape of the curve and use two filters to get a close shape
21:44.23lcukbuild-essential works, but dpkg-buildpackage doesnt
21:44.37lcukand autotools has a few hiccups needing more gnu tools
21:44.48MNZwhich is no easy task when you don't know what you are doing :/
21:44.50DocScrutinizerMNZ: hmm, lemme see if I can make sense of your words
21:44.54Macerdamn... nitdroid is good minus the lack of modem support
21:44.55Macertoo bad :)
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21:45.13Macerit's pretty awesome
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21:45.23johndolcuk: apt-cache policy tells me less and screen are from the same repository
21:45.38lcukwhich is..
21:45.44MNZDocScrutinizer, I really didn't understand anything until I read this http://www.student.oulu.fi/~oniemita/dsp/dspstuff.txt
21:45.48lcukand johndo i already said that its basesd on the package itself
21:45.49johndolcuk: at the moment i'm only interested in some tools, devel stuff may be later only
21:45.51lcukand not on the repo
21:46.03DocScrutinizerMNZ: you mean we only got one filter function implemented in hw, and we want to use it for bass and treble same time?
21:46.29mintuxhow can I disconnect my phone from network in command line ? suppose I connected via some connections I define . but I want to disconnect from cmd
21:46.48johndolcuk: was just in reply to your "less is from a different repository"
21:47.16MNZDocScrutinizer, no, we have a fourth-order filter for the effects, which is made of 2 cascaded (ie, in series) biquads. So we basically have two biquads, so we can use two sets of coefficients to have two filters.
21:47.42DocScrutinizersounds fine, no?
21:47.49MNZnot really
21:47.52lcukhas odd repository configuration hence asking you
21:48.03MNZyou can't really do a real EQ as far as I'm concerned
21:48.06MNZyou can only approximate
21:48.28MNZto get a feel for this you need the TI calculator and add two points and mess with them
21:48.31keriowe just need to avoid blowing up the speakers
21:48.46MNZkerio, no we are talking about the EQ
21:48.50johndowhen they have unsigned packages in the repo i may have to live with unauth packages
21:48.52MNZnot the highpass filtering thing
21:49.00kerioequalizers are for pussies
21:49.06mintuxhow to disconnect wifi from cmd in n900
21:49.07mintux?
21:49.14kerioifdown wlan0
21:49.18MNZkerio, EQ rocks! HW EQ doubly so!
21:49.58MNZDocScrutinizer, to understand me just get this (it's win32, runs fantastic in wine) http://focus.ti.com/docs/toolsw/folders/print/coefficient-calc.html
21:50.19lcukjohndo, if you can specifically identify a list of them
21:50.20DocScrutinizerscratches head
21:50.33lcukthen it may be possible to at least ask that something be done
21:50.58mintuxkerio: doesn't work. I connected from applet manger . not from commandline
21:51.04johndolcuk: good idea, will note all of them i run into
21:51.24MNZDocScrutinizer, after you download it, enable exactly two points and mess with their settings (bandwidth/gain/type). Those are our constraints, two filters/points.
21:51.24lcukjohndo, great
21:51.32n900-dkDo any of you guys have trouble with Nokia Messaging today?
21:51.39n900-dkIt keeps aksing for my password
21:51.40lcukand i just tested, it is the same directly in scratchbox
21:51.49johndojust started with the n900, so maybe needs some time ;)
21:51.52lcukbut since the packages are uploaded as part of the SDK itself
21:51.52DocScrutinizerMNZ: maybe in that calculator
21:52.27lcukjohndo, you have a keen eye and such details are important
21:52.29johndolcuk: so you also get the warning about unauth in scratchbox?
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21:52.37lcukyes
21:52.48johndook, good it's not only me
21:53.06lcukindeed, but please compile a list of those you find
21:53.06MNZDocScrutinizer, no, we really are constrained to two filters :D have you seen the equation of the filter in the datasheet? it's two huge brackets multiplied, each one of those can be considered a separate filter and takes it's own set of coefficients
21:53.15mintuxsudo ifconfig wlan0 down worked. but the wireless icon is on top and also the connected icon is light
21:53.20lcukand good luck with your n900 \o/
21:53.24lcukhope you enjoy it
21:53.30DocScrutinizerMNZ: for a usual treble/bass EQ I'd just pick the HPF and LPF of http://www.musicdsp.org/files/Audio-EQ-Cookbook.txt, and calculate the coefficients for the desired f0 and gain
21:53.48johndoyeah, i have nearly no experience with the n900, but it's a kind of debian on it :)
21:53.56lcukcrashanddie, liqflow flowing behind desktops on multiple machines o_O
21:54.01MNZDocScrutinizer, oh, if we want just a simple 2 band EQ then yeah.... can be done
21:54.02n900-dkStupid NM :(
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21:54.20johndolcuk: i do so far, only the battery is somewhat weak :(
21:54.55lcukdepends what you do with it
21:55.13lcukbut yeah a housebrick and 4months of uptime would be nice
21:55.19johndohehe
21:55.22DocScrutinizerMNZ: what I say... :-D
21:55.32MNZDocScrutinizer, I was over-complicating things a bit... my idea was for a 6 (or even 12) band eq, and we smooth the 'curve' created by it and use two filters to achieve something similar
21:55.40lcukhow much juice do fuelcells give?
21:55.42lcukhmm
21:55.53lcukalcoholic n900
21:56.05DocScrutinizerMNZ: that's theoretically feasible, but meh, my head hurts
21:56.14lcukI will have a pint and my n900 will have a vodka and coke
21:56.34MNZDocScrutinizer, exactly. I had my head hurting for about two days when I realized it's going to take a bunch more reading than what I've done :S
21:56.38johndoeeek, a coke
21:56.41johndopoor n900
21:56.45MNZDocScrutinizer, ok, so I can do a bass/treble thing for starters
21:56.57DocScrutinizerGREAT! :-DDD
21:57.01keriojohndo: OMG
21:57.59MNZDocScrutinizer, like I said though, right now I'm building TI's code for using the audio/video hw accel. It looks promising!
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21:59.17lcuklol jo
21:59.21lcukjohndo, ^
21:59.28lolloohi all
22:00.07lcukvanishes
22:00.59mintuxautodisconnect app is binary or script ?
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22:02.55johndomintux: binary
22:03.30mintuxjohndo: I need to disconnect wifi from ssh in my pc . but I don't know how can I do that
22:04.53johndomintux: ifdown wlan0 doesn't do the job?
22:04.54DocScrutinizermintux: try `rmmod wl12xx.ko`
22:05.26johndocan you remove a module while it's in use on the n900?
22:05.45DocScrutinizerafter ifdown it shouldn't be in use anymore?
22:05.53mintux<PROTECTED>
22:05.54DocScrutinizerdunno
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22:06.12ad-n770I'm trying to find which is the max sample rate that is available in the audio card of n800
22:06.19mintuxDocScrutinizer: what is rmmod wl12xx.ko ?
22:06.26ad-n770do you know whre it could be documented?
22:06.29mintuxwhat is wl12xx.ko ?
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22:06.34DocScrutinizerit's not my idea to do rmmod, I only seen it at some places
22:06.52mintuxDocScrutinizer: what happens after that ?
22:06.55johndoanybody knows if the gui package manager on the n900 uses apt as it's backend? so that it would support preferences?
22:06.57DocScrutinizermintux: wl12xx is the wlan driver
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22:07.47DocScrutinizerjohndo: HAM is using apt as a backend, yes
22:07.49mintuxif I can disappear wifi icon beside antenna icon . my problem will solve
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22:08.20mintuxmeans after ifconfig ifdown disappear wifi icon
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22:10.57DocScrutinizermintux: try this as well: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/DBUS#dbus-send-disconnect-net
22:13.55DocScrutinizermintux: also check this (/me curses wiki server sluggish like molasses once more): http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
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22:15.03DocScrutinizerhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Disconnect_internet
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22:18.41DocScrutinizermintux: if this works for you, it'd be nice of you to edit above linked wiki page, to share your findings (also about whether it affects the wifi icon in systray etc)
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22:20.30mintuxok thanks
22:21.06john_n900n900 irssi :D
22:21.21john_n900i more and more love this toy
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22:28.24johndowhat are the signs when the kernel voltage settings of an n900 are too low?
22:28.35johndoare they obvious like crashes or more subtle?
22:30.07_trinejohndo, it crashes
22:30.16johndoi'm at the "starving" settings now and anything seems to work properly, that's suspicious ^^
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22:30.55DocScrutinizerjohndo: the likelihood for segfaults or any other kind of odd behaviour just rises
22:31.21_trineI use starving on my phone and its works perfectly however if I try it on my wifes phone it crashes in a short time
22:31.33johndojust wanted to go down until it crashes and the go one or two steps back
22:31.39johndo*then
22:32.27johndodoes lowering these voltage settings help much for battery life or has it a rather small effect?
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22:33.12_trinejohndo, are you overclocking at the same time
22:33.12DocScrutinizerjohndo: despite it's digital, every electronics is an analog system in the end. While with correct core voltage you may see one false computation during 10^5years of operation, it rises to 1 false op during hours or minutes, with increasingly lower voltage
22:33.20johndo_trine: no, no overclocking
22:34.13johndoso far it seems fast enough, i just wanted to get a longer battery life
22:34.14DocScrutinizerjohndo: read my above comment carefully, think about it, and then rethink your plan of "go down until crah, then one or two steps up"
22:34.39johndoDocScrutinizer: yeah, doesn't sound good
22:34.53johndoso keep my fingers away from it and switch back to default?
22:35.12_trinejohndo, with these phones because they are so variable in there manufacture its simply a case of suck it and see
22:35.31johndoi just was surprised that the kinda recommended set "ideal" had even overclocking to 850 MHz in it
22:35.56johnxit depends on whether you're ok with your phone crashing out randomly (potentially corrupting data) in the pursuit of longer battery life
22:36.10DocScrutinizer_trine: and who told you about that variability in manufacture?
22:36.15johnxif you say "yes" to that, then by all means, go as low as you can
22:36.46_trineDocScrutinizer, its plainly bloody obvious no one needs to tell me
22:36.55johndojohnx: well, i just wanted both :D
22:37.08johndobut i guess i have to find the compromise by myself :)
22:37.14johnxyup
22:37.37DocScrutinizeraah, ok then. I'm still amazed how much you can learn from non-EE in IRC, even after 40 years of profeesional experience
22:37.43_trinethe manufacturing process is very broad to say the least
22:37.55johnxkeep in mind that an error in the wrong place might not manifest as a crash. it might manifest as corrupted data being saved
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22:38.41jophishhowdy all!
22:38.50johnxhallo jophish
22:38.54johndojohnx: yeah, and the data partition is a FAT filesystem :(
22:39.07DocScrutinizer_trine: many thanks for educating me :-P
22:39.38_trineDocScrutinizer, sarcasm is not one of your better attributes
22:39.50jophishI'm trying to get bluetooth dial up working. I am stumped as to how to use ppponfig though. I don't know where I cn get the information for my provider.I'm using t-mobile UK, with a 3 plan
22:40.04jophishI'm running debian on my computer
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22:42.36_trinehowever I love my N900
22:44.17_trineif I could run it at 2300 MHz instead of 1150 I would and when/if it failed I would just buy another
22:44.22_trine:)
22:44.37DocScrutinizerjophish: have you bothered to even *check* how much (or probably little) gain in battery life undervolting will buy you? Not by gut feeling based random numbers made up, but by using e.g bq27200.sh script to get exact numbers of power consumption during doing heavy calculations or video playback, and then comparing same situation one time with undervolt and one time with stock settings
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22:45.12DocScrutinizererr sorry jophish
22:45.20jophishDocScrutinizer: I haven't looked into that, but _trine might have
22:45.20DocScrutinizerjohndo: ^^^ for you
22:45.22medohello people
22:45.24johnxjophish, are you following a guide that told you to use pppconfig? could you give us a link? I got it setup correctly on ubuntu, but that was with networkmanager
22:45.50medodoes anyone know if the 3g video calls will be supported
22:45.53jophishjohnx: I have been following this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Debian-Tethering
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22:46.00medoor a programmer is working on it
22:46.01medo?
22:46.05jophishbut I have discovered that the gnome networknamager has something similar
22:46.27ShadowJKoverall undervolting should have a minimal impact, since the voltage is 0V duriing the vast majority of time N900 is on..
22:46.28johnxyeah. if you're running gnome on debian, I'd follow the ubuntu guide
22:46.31DocScrutinizerjohndo: probably you'll find it's absolutely not worth it
22:46.37_trineaircrack-ng is wonderful on an N900
22:46.39johndoDocScrutinizer: no, that's why i was asking
22:46.43ShadowJKunless you've got something crap installed consuming cpu, of course
22:46.53johndoi did not even found a trustworthy powertop so far
22:46.56jophishbut It filled in the wrong information by default, and I am not eager to get tmobile charging me for trying to use a data plan I didn' pay for
22:47.09medojohndo
22:47.18medoare you following
22:47.19medo?
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22:47.53medohelloooooo
22:48.09medoany help here
22:48.11medo?
22:48.38SpeedEviljophish: where ar eyou?
22:48.47jophishSpeedEvil: I'm in the uk
22:49.06SpeedEviljophish: I haver t-mobile PAYG + 6 mo internet booster.
22:49.08jophishlooking at the information on the phone, the username is t-mobile, and the password is two characters long
22:49.09SpeedEvilWorks well.
22:49.31jophishSpeedEvil: have you go that working with tethering?
22:50.08johndoShadowJK: so the n900 has real cpu sleep mode or however that is called and not only switch back to min frequency?
22:50.16johndothen it probably doesn't gain much
22:50.26DocScrutinizerjohndo: it does zero-clock
22:50.52SpeedEviljophish: yes
22:50.53johndois there any way to find out how much time it spends in that mode?
22:50.58SpeedEviljophish: password 'web'
22:51.05SpeedEviljophish: and web
22:51.07johndoi only found the time spend in diff frequencies so far
22:51.09DocScrutinizerjohndo: powertop
22:51.14medois frals here?
22:51.18jophishSpeedEvil: looking on the phone, it is only two characters long though
22:51.25jophishis the username t-mobile?
22:51.27johndoha, again that what i dont have
22:51.28medopeople
22:51.29SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_software_power_management#Powertop
22:51.32medoare you here?
22:51.35SpeedEvilI need to fix it
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22:51.41medoanswer me
22:51.41johndois the binary in the forum thread trustworthy?
22:52.11medoi need to talk to frals
22:52.15medowhy don't you answer
22:52.38DocScrutinizermedo, if nobody got an answer, you'll probably not want 483 users answering "medo, sorry, but no"
22:52.52DocScrutinizermedo: now stop spamming the channel
22:52.53SpeedEviljohndo: It seems to work for any password
22:53.22medothanks doc
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22:56.50DocScrutinizermedo: t help you out of your pain:
22:56.53DocScrutinizer~seen frals
22:56.59infobotfrals is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 2 messages. Is idling for 7h 24m 29s, last said: 'haha'.
22:57.24medoyou have been a great help
22:57.27medothanks a lot
22:57.51medohow can i follow him on this channel
22:57.53medo?
22:58.15DocScrutinizermedo: set a highlight on <frals> in your irc client
22:58.24DocScrutinizeror simply /query frals
22:58.48ShadowJKjohndo: my binary has sha1sum 5426e35133941c100e1de582e174c219bbbb4799
22:59.06ShadowJKI took it from the firmware image that had powertop before it was removed
22:59.24medoDocScrutinizer, you are the man
22:59.25johndois a higher cpuidle state more or less power consumption? it seem to have state 0 to 3
22:59.45johndoShadowJK: thanks, i'll check the one from the thread
22:59.47jacekowskiiirc higher == less power
23:00.10medodo you have any idea about the 3g video calls for the n900?
23:00.13medoDocScrutinizer
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23:00.42DocScrutinizermedo: nope, otherwise I had answered your question
23:00.57medoyou are totally right
23:01.04ShadowJKjohndo: 0 is higher
23:01.04medofrals is not answering me
23:01.13ShadowJKC4 in powertop is clock off voltage off
23:01.18medoi have some ideas for his fmms program
23:01.34johndoShadowJK: i just found the files in the /sys tree
23:02.09ShadowJKyeahl there's one set of numbers that apply for active and oner set of numbers for sleep
23:02.53johndoabout 3% in stage 0, 10% in stage 1, 10% in s2 and 77% in s3
23:03.04johndoduring the last day or so
23:03.16johndoi guess the numbers are since last reboot
23:03.47ShadowJK/sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/* ?
23:03.53johndoyes
23:04.01johndo.. stageX/time
23:04.11johndo*state
23:04.23SpeedEviljohndo - get powertop
23:04.31johndoi'm on it :)
23:04.39SpeedEvilSee above page for explanation
23:04.56ShadowJKstat3/name C4, if it's 77 percent, that's good
23:04.58SpeedEvilAlso - you don't care about it.
23:05.08SpeedEvilLook at the power consumption number - with that script.
23:05.16SpeedEvilAnd how it changes over time.
23:05.21DocScrutinizerexactly
23:05.52johndoSpeedEvil: whith that script? sory, must have missed something
23:06.02johndothat bq27200?
23:06.07DocScrutinizeryep
23:06.20medo~seen dalal
23:06.23infoboti haven't seen 'dalal', medo
23:06.40DocScrutinizersee an example listing I posted at end of that wikipage, under random adds
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23:08.36DocScrutinizeroops, that's been http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption#Software
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23:25.28johndois there any way to get the FAT partition remounted while the USB cable still is connected?
23:25.42johndothe FAT partition is umounted remotely already
23:26.30SpeedEvilunplug the far end of the cable.
23:26.31SpeedEvilReboot
23:26.53johndoSpeedEvil: ah, the far end, good idea :D
23:27.22johndojust don't wanted to unplug the n900 side every time ..
23:27.46SpeedEvilYou can also cut off the little 'lugs' on the n900 connector to reduce insertion force.
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23:29.53jacekowskii really like hdmi connector
23:29.59jacekowskisocket and plug
23:30.02jacekowskilooks robust
23:30.09rasterwonders how well nokia test the gl-es drivers ont he n900
23:30.17jacekowskireally robust compared to all recent connectors
23:34.24johndothat powertop is quite different from the debian one at the pc
23:34.42johnxARM is quite different from X86 :)
23:34.45johndodoesn't look good if i understand it right, 10% C0, 90% C2
23:34.51johndono C4 :(
23:35.04jacekowskiboth are made of silicon
23:35.16jacekowskiand transistors
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23:38.10johndo250 wakeups per seconds, is that normal? sounds much
23:39.03jacekowskijohndo: nah, that's ok
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23:39.35SpeedEvilRead the caveats on the above page johndo
23:40.48johndoSpeedEvil: you mean http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ?
23:41.26SpeedEvilyes
23:41.31SpeedEvilI need to finish off that
23:47.13johndoSpeedEvil: these numbers are very interesting
23:47.19tobis87SpeedEvil: Do you think reverting this patch, would increase throughput even more? http://www.mail-archive.com/linux-crypto@vger.kernel.org/msg01266.html
23:47.38johndoso switching GSM or WiFi off doesn't gain much when it's idle, suspend seems to work very well
23:48.01johndowhere do I get that bq27200 script from? is it in the pdf?
23:48.58SpeedEviljohndo: no. you copy and paste it from the page
23:49.13SpeedEviltobis87: no idea, sorry
23:49.48johndohmm, i'm too blind, there is no script
23:49.52johndohttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption ?
23:50.11SpeedEviljohndo: oh - that's not there.
23:50.58SpeedEvilThe script mentioned only gives more info on the battery state - it's not importantr for instantaneous power consumptrion use.
23:51.05SpeedEvilAnd indeed uses extra power.
23:51.35SpeedEvilRun the script on that page under screen, and you will see ~6mA or so with it idle.
23:51.41SpeedEvilAnd not actively using wifi
23:51.54SpeedEvilIf you don't have any battery eating stuff installed.
23:53.18tobis87There is an article on optimizing aes for arm7, it is not directly related to twofish of course, but they also test aes with unrolled functions: http://bit.ly/b80pdJ
23:53.59johndoSpeedEvil: sorry, cannot follow you, I don't see how I can get these numbers for the current consumption of the device
23:54.26SpeedEviloh - right
23:54.30SpeedEvilhttp://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management
23:54.31SpeedEvilsorry
23:54.43SpeedEvilI missed rthat you were referring to a different page.
23:55.01SpeedEvilI hope to polish that script some more, add some user-friendliness, and ship it to extras soon.
23:55.41johndoSpeedEvil: ah, that looks better, thanks :)
23:57.38johndolooks like the old powertop does not fit very well for PR 1.2 or the community kernel
23:57.56SpeedEvil1.2 is fine
23:58.01SpeedEvilit is confused by more freqs
23:58.40johndoeven when they are not active? I have min 250 and max 600 too
23:59.03johndoso the community kernel from Extras is not recommended?

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